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From N. Hannah Jones, the head author of the New York Times’ black-centric rewriting of American history The 1619 Project:

Why are people trying to talk about Ulysses S. Grant instead of Black Feelz?

After all, we can go back and forth arguing all day about who did more to win the Civil War, Ulysses S. Grant or some undeservedly obscure black woman with great hair like me, but the important thing is that Grant was white, so a little overzealousness naturally occurs after decades of hurt by art.

Meanwhile, bestselling black all-around genius Ibram X. Kendi, who scored over 1000 on his SAT test, explains how unimportant Grant or any other white man was to winning the Civil War:

 
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  1. • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @t

    t, and everyone here, take a minute and type into a search engine...."Child shot and killed in (add any American city.) You will be stunned at the ages and numbers and yet...nothing.

    , @Prof. Woland
    @t

    Obama's presidency is somewhat analogous to US Grant's in the sense that Grant was always considered a hero and an honest man but he was completely over his head as President and unable to control is subordinates and as such, his administration was considered perhaps the most corrupt in American history even though he did not personally profit from it. This analogy might be charitable to Obama because his story is not over yet. With Obama, we could not write the first chapter because he successfully hid his past (so far) and we could not write the last chapter because the Russia-gate scandal is only now being revealed. If it comes out as accurate that he did spy domestically on his opponents he will be the eternal goat whereas Ulysses Grant was just a happy drunk and a weak sister.

    It might be a good idea to wait a while before we put up any Obama statues. If turns out he did cheat history will view him with much less sympathy than the guy who is getting pulled down now for just being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

  2. Over 1000? He must have kicked ass on the math, as he sure doesn’t read any books or nuthin’ like that.

  3. For a black person, over 1000 on your SAT is genius level.

  4. • Replies: @Anonymous
    @t

    That was logically inevitable.

    The 1619 Project is basically a black supremacist project to replace the traditional American founding narrative with a black supremacist narrative and ideology for the future that everyone in America - white, black, immigrant, etc. - has to follow.

    But any black supremacist ideology has to be able to supersede Amerindian claims and moral authority. Mostly Amerindians will just be ignored, because they're few in number and largely forgotten. But if necessary, black supremacists will just hand wave away and dismiss Amerindians and delegitimize them by associating them with slavery or oppression of blacks, thus maintaining the black supremacist ideology which asserts that blacks have the right to dominate the US because of slavery and oppression.

    , @Pop Warner
    @t

    She's not going against them for owning slaves, she's going against them for owning black slaves. She couldn't care less about slavery but since it involved her (looks like 1/2 from the lighting) people it's the Worst Thing Ever

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @t

    t, and blacks in America actually owned black slaves. When does that come up?

  5. Abe says:
    June 21, 2020 at 2:01 am GMT • 100 Words   

    OT-

    https://reason.com/2020/06/18/washington-post-blackface-halloween-costume-cancel-culture

    Short version- two Fragile-ieshas attend a DC Halloween party where an attendee is in black face in MOCKERY of Fox news anchor Megyn Kelly who is anti-anti-blackface, or at least anti-anti-blackface adjacent, which would have made the attendee objectively anti-blackface. But this is too much high school-caliber logic for Fragile-iesha 1 and Fragile-iesha 2, so they personally attack their late-middle age Good White ally (calling her makeup ugly, pointing out her wrinkles) until she runs from the party in tears.

    Two years AFTER the incident Fragile-iesha 1 is still fuming despite humiliating the Good White ally at the time of the incident, and gets the WASHINGTON POST to publish an investigative piece on… a WASHINGTON POST Halloween party.

    • LOL: Stan d Mute
    • Replies: @NOTA
    @Abe

    That story was truly shameful.

    , @Lot
    @Abe

    No sympathy for someone going to a WashPost staff party in a costume intended as an attack on Fox News.

    In fact I will help out and bring the A1 sauce for the revolutionaries eating their own.

  6. • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Clifford Brown

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ6hkkMle1Q

  7. Anonymous[739] • Disclaimer says:

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    @Anonymous


    This is what the Times wanted
     
    Well, we know for certain that this Bantu tribeswoman desperately wanted (and assuredly deserves) all this attention she’s getting. Just look at her beautiful hair!!
  8. Elli says:
    June 21, 2020 at 2:19 am GMT • 100 Words   

    There is a three part series on Grant on the History Channel. Grant goes to the courthouse and frees his slave. The black commenter (TNC?) says Grant was poor and freeing the slave was like walking away from your house without getting anything for it.

    Which is more consequential than taking a knee.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Elli

    If Coates gets cancelled for that, that would be hilarious.

    Replies: @william munny

    , @Prof. Woland
    @Elli

    My father, who was from the south, used to say that the Confederates won the war because all the blacks went north afterwards. It wasn't Irony.

  9. Anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:

    Grant’s statue down might clarify to the Normies “Genocide all Whites is the real Game” a little to much.

    • Agree: bomag
  10. Abe says:
    June 21, 2020 at 2:22 am GMT • 100 Words   

    A couple years ago some 2o-something black girl came up with the #OscarSoWhite hashtag and “changed the world”. 2020 with its Project 1619-inspired cancelling of the American people, TheShowMustBePaused entertainment blackout (again, all brainchilds of 20-30 year old-ish black girls) has taken this into hyperdrive. Like I said before this is actually a sign of racial progress, since there now seem to be an endless supply of young black women with the same outsized sense of self-importance and sh!t attitude as any blonde, richy-rich Alicia Silverstone-looking alpha bitch.

    Welcome to 2020, the year of the black mean girl (so powerful they can make a senior US Senator like Mitt Romney bow and scrape upon command).

    • Agree: Buffalo Joe
    • Replies: @Whiskey
    @Abe

    That makes sense. Public Enemy like the Dead Kennedys knew a thing or two. Rappers have more fame, wealth and power than Mitt Romney. And we seem destined to be ruled by Flavor Flav. No scratch that he'd be an improvement over Rice or Abrams.

    Jelllo Biafra knew well the Jerry Brown types ambition to emulate Pol Pot. Chuck D the power of black mobs.

    And all seem hostage to angry young women.

    , @Redneck farmer
    @Abe

    Does Romney really count?

    , @Garlic
    @Abe

    How about using the hashtags #BLMSoWhite and #AntifaSoWhite anytime there’s a news picture showing a bunch of whites at a BLM/Antifa mainly peaceful protest?

  11. I wonder if the luminaries at the NYT had any comment on the vandalism of the monument to the Massachusetts 54th Colored Infantry near the statehouse in Boston on May 31st? BLM “protesters” desecrated the monument exactly 123 years to the date of its dedication in 1897.

    Col. Robert Gould Shaw and his negro regiment acquitted themselves with valor and heroism at the 2nd battle of Fort Wagner in Charleston harbor in 1863. The 54th lost about 3/4’s of its men as casualties, including Col. Shaw and Lewis Douglass, son of Frederick Douglass. The first African American Medal of Honor recipient, William Carney, sergeant with the 54th, received it due to his actions that day in recovering and returning the unit’s U.S. Flag to Union lines.

    Their assault – while valiant – was an utter failure, so it can’t be said that the 54th’s participation was in any way decisive. Fort Wagner later fell due to incessant naval bombardment, which forced Confederate forces to abandon it.

    The fact of their failure is beside the point, however. They were former slaves fighting courageously to overthrow chattel servitude. Defacing their monument was an odd choice, seeing as how it memorializes those very “Black soldiers [who] were as critical as anyone in winning the Civil War.”

    • Replies: @anon
    @fitzhamilton

    I wonder if the luminaries at the NYT had any comment on the vandalism of the monument to the Massachusetts 54th Colored Infantry near the statehouse in Boston on May 31st?

    Probably not, because they don't know anything. Ignorance is Strength!

    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @fitzhamilton

    The CivNat force is strong in this one. "Can't we all just be Americans."

    People like you are why Whites are we are now. What a cuck and an embarrassment you are.

    I'd have more respect for you if I knew you were trolling everyone, but I'm afraid you might actually be serious.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @Mr. Anon
    @fitzhamilton


    Their assault – while valiant – was an utter failure, so it can’t be said that the 54th’s participation was in any way decisive.
     
    Proving that Union officers could be as profligate with the lives of their black soldiers as they were with the lives of the white ones.
    , @bomag
    @fitzhamilton


    I wonder if the luminaries at the NYT had any comment on the vandalism of the monument to the Massachusetts 54th Colored Infantry...
     
    If you think this round of Black-on-White violence is something, wait until you start noticing the ongoing, and likely to increase, Black-on-Black violence.
    , @G. Poulin
    @fitzhamilton

    They would have left the statue alone if they'd been able to read the inscription.

  12. unit472 says:
    June 21, 2020 at 2:30 am GMT • 100 Words   

    30 years ago some ‘What If” writer ( Harry Turtledove?) wrote a book in which some South Africans invented a time machine to secure their countries future and went back in time and supplied automatic weapons to Robert E. Lee. Gettysburg turned out entirely different and Lee destroyed the Union Army. Didn’t really need a time machine I suppose, just Hiram Maxim being born in Atlanta or Richmond 25 years earlier. Machineguns were technically possible in 1863 but no one had yet figured out how to use recoil or gas pressure to put the next round into the chamber of a firearm.

    The one thing that history does teach us is that the negro mind has not yet made that technical innovation that proves decisive on the battlefield. They are just cannon fodder when armies clash.

    ‘Whatever happens, we have got, the Maxim, and they have not’

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @unit472


    Machineguns were technically possible in 1863 but no one had yet figured out how to use recoil or gas pressure to put the next round into the chamber of a firearm....

    ‘Whatever happens, we have got, the Maxim, and they have not’
     
    How times have changed. Now the other side has "the maxim". Expecting this at the next BLM riot:

    leader: "Whatever happens, we have got..."
    crowd: "the maxim, and they have not!"
    all: "Black lives matter! Black lives matter!"
    , @Kronos
    @unit472

    I read the book, it’s a good read.

    A funnier means of changing history would be to give Grant massive hangovers (more than usual) before important battles.

    https://youtu.be/6LPmuFa81IA

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Jack D
    @unit472


    but no one had yet figured out how to use recoil or gas pressure to put the next round into the chamber of a firearm.
     
    True but the Gatling was capable of continuous fire (though you had to hand crank it) and it was used (a little) during the Civil War. Mainly it was used on rioters in NYC and strikers in Pittsburgh. You would think that it was wrong to use a machine gun on civilian crowds but you are wrong. The draft rioters were white ( mainly Irish) so it was OK, especially since they had attacked black people.

    Replies: @Corn, @Joe Stalin

    , @Anonymous
    @unit472


    30 years ago some ‘What If” writer ( Harry Turtledove?) wrote a book in which some South Africans invented a time machine to secure their countries future and went back in time and supplied automatic weapons to Robert E. Lee.
     
    I believe you are alluding to The Guns of the South by Harry Turtledove (1993).
    , @Mokiki
    @unit472

    Smokeless powder was needed for practical automatic weapons. Otherwise frequent barrel cleaning is required.

  13. @fitzhamilton
    I wonder if the luminaries at the NYT had any comment on the vandalism of the monument to the Massachusetts 54th Colored Infantry near the statehouse in Boston on May 31st? BLM "protesters" desecrated the monument exactly 123 years to the date of its dedication in 1897.

    Col. Robert Gould Shaw and his negro regiment acquitted themselves with valor and heroism at the 2nd battle of Fort Wagner in Charleston harbor in 1863. The 54th lost about 3/4's of its men as casualties, including Col. Shaw and Lewis Douglass, son of Frederick Douglass. The first African American Medal of Honor recipient, William Carney, sergeant with the 54th, received it due to his actions that day in recovering and returning the unit's U.S. Flag to Union lines.

    Their assault - while valiant - was an utter failure, so it can't be said that the 54th's participation was in any way decisive. Fort Wagner later fell due to incessant naval bombardment, which forced Confederate forces to abandon it.

    The fact of their failure is beside the point, however. They were former slaves fighting courageously to overthrow chattel servitude. Defacing their monument was an odd choice, seeing as how it memorializes those very "Black soldiers [who] were as critical as anyone in winning the Civil War."

    Replies: @anon, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Mr. Anon, @bomag, @G. Poulin

    I wonder if the luminaries at the NYT had any comment on the vandalism of the monument to the Massachusetts 54th Colored Infantry near the statehouse in Boston on May 31st?

    Probably not, because they don’t know anything. Ignorance is Strength!

  14. Lest I take any risk of being a White savior, I vow to never help any Black ever, in any way.

    • Replies: @Mr. Grey
    @Cloudbuster

    But you can't win against the Hustle. What you say makes sense, but then you are being racist for not fighting against racism. If you speak out you are abusing your white privilege, but if you are silent you are racist cuz its your job to educate other white ppl.

  15. I’ve always wanted Jay Leno man on the street interviews of Blacks asking when the Civil War occurred. My guess is most of them couldn’t get the right decade.

    • Replies: @Peterike
    @Lugash

    “ I’ve always wanted Jay Leno man on the street interviews of Blacks asking when the Civil War occurred. My guess is most of them couldn’t get the right decade.”

    Decade? They wouldn’t get the right century.

    , @Anonymous
    @Lugash

    Century

    , @Escher
    @Lugash

    Civil war?
    I thought we still slaves and s*it.

    , @snorlax
    @Lugash

    TBF neither could most whites.

    , @Harold
    @Lugash

    https://youtu.be/yRZZpk_9k8E?t=41

    , @NOTA
    @Lugash

    Probably true of whites, too. Most people are really stunningly ignorant.

    , @Kratoklastes
    @Lugash

    Well, that would hardly count as conclusive proof of inferioritaah of the nig-ruh, given that some vox pops show that Americans selected at random fail to correctly identify when WWII was fought and which side the US was on.

    It's really interesting how history has changed, too.

    Two years ago, if I wanted to find a YouTube clip of the guy going around asking (mostly-)white US college students "When was WWII?" and "Who was the enemy in WWII" and getting super-fucktarded answers, it would be near the top of the first page of Google.

    Now, it doesn't appear in the first page of Google search, let along the first page of the "Videos" tab; the first page is dominated by videos lamenting that American teens have not been indoctrinated to accept the canonical number of victims of the 'camp-based' unpleasantness that befell (((some folks))) in the 1940s.

    White US college students got retroactively smarter.

    Anyhow... Google could not 'de-rank' searches sufficiently for me to rediscover the NAEP 2014 publication showing that less than 18% of US 8th graders were 'proficient' in History.

    If the numbers have improved since 2014, it just means that there was a change in the definition of 'proficient'.

    Replies: @res

    , @S. Anonyia
    @Lugash

    Most people under 30 wouldn't guess the right decade.


    I used to teach World History along with Creative Writing and Social Studies electives....and what I found, most baffling, throughout the 6 years of it I could stomach- was that students had NO conception of time.

    Like the the Renaissance, the French Revolution, the Civil War, WWI- everything in
    "black and white" seemed the same.

    They also had a very U.S centric view of the world and believed all slaves everywhere throughout history were black. And were constantly confused when I didn't point out who the "bad guys" and "good guys" were.

    Can we retire the whole right side of history thing, forever? Bring back NUANCE. Unfortunately that perception of history has its roots in the whole "shining in a hill" American exceptionalism BS- only now its been twisted to fit a liberal narrative instead, on steroids- Irony!

    Replies: @anon

  16. It wasn’t so long ago that liberals were championing Grant.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/14/opinion/14wilentz.html

  17. Who’s setting your new terms of commentary? They’re fucking cunts.

  18. Gettysburg turned out entirely different and Lee destroyed the Union Army.

    After which the Union was forced to live as a second Canada, and the Confederacy became the New South Africa.

    Be careful what you wish for…

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Reg Cæsar

    This. The key problem with the Civil war is that it wasn't fought early enough.

    Israel does show what can be done in the modern era if there are problematic people within your country.

    Replies: @Pat Kittle, @Colin Wright

    , @Kronos
    @Reg Cæsar

    One of the funniest mockumentry films ever! Confederacy wins and takes over the entire US. Goes all the way up to 2004.

    Instead of a 1950s Red Scare it’s abolitionism.

    Instead of the Berlin Wall, it’s a giant wall across Canada to keep slaves escaping from the CSA.

    https://youtu.be/exnwTWfFRM8

    Replies: @syonredux, @Corn

  19. @Lugash
    I've always wanted Jay Leno man on the street interviews of Blacks asking when the Civil War occurred. My guess is most of them couldn't get the right decade.

    Replies: @Peterike, @Anonymous, @Escher, @snorlax, @Harold, @NOTA, @Kratoklastes, @S. Anonyia

    “ I’ve always wanted Jay Leno man on the street interviews of Blacks asking when the Civil War occurred. My guess is most of them couldn’t get the right decade.”

    Decade? They wouldn’t get the right century.

  20. The mobs won’t stop this bullshit until someone stops them or more likely until they simlpy run out out of statues to pull down.

    But, it is foolish to act like a mob of retarded thugs know, understand or care about the men on the monuments they are destroying.

    A society that cedes the moral high ground and makes excuses for a mindless mob of vandals destroying it’s history, is not worth saving.

  21. syonredux says:
    June 21, 2020 at 2:59 am GMT • 100 Words   

    Ida Bae Wells:

    Oh, I am not advocating against nuance and balance. I am saying that particular phrase is just really offensive. I mean, Hitler was a man of his time. Osama bin Laden was a man of his time. It’s a justification and unnecessary.

    I mean really, when you think about it, Grant owning one slave makes him the moral equivalent of Hitler……Or maybe Grant was worse than Hitler. After all, owning slaves is the worst thing that a person can do, but Hitler never owned a slave….

  22. Steve, have you tried asking n hannah jones on twitter how, if slavery made america a success, are places like australia, new zealand and canada so similar in economic success to the united states? and why places like brazil are not particularly successful while EU countries with no significant colonial history are very successful?

  23. Whiskey says: • Website
    June 21, 2020 at 3:08 am GMT • 100 Words   
    @Abe
    A couple years ago some 2o-something black girl came up with the #OscarSoWhite hashtag and “changed the world”. 2020 with its Project 1619-inspired cancelling of the American people, TheShowMustBePaused entertainment blackout (again, all brainchilds of 20-30 year old-ish black girls) has taken this into hyperdrive. Like I said before this is actually a sign of racial progress, since there now seem to be an endless supply of young black women with the same outsized sense of self-importance and sh!t attitude as any blonde, richy-rich Alicia Silverstone-looking alpha bitch.

    Welcome to 2020, the year of the black mean girl (so powerful they can make a senior US Senator like Mitt Romney bow and scrape upon command).

    Replies: @Whiskey, @Redneck farmer, @Garlic

    That makes sense. Public Enemy like the Dead Kennedys knew a thing or two. Rappers have more fame, wealth and power than Mitt Romney. And we seem destined to be ruled by Flavor Flav. No scratch that he’d be an improvement over Rice or Abrams.

    Jelllo Biafra knew well the Jerry Brown types ambition to emulate Pol Pot. Chuck D the power of black mobs.

    And all seem hostage to angry young women.

  24. Well dear old Ulysses did do one thing that might put him in the cross-hairs. It involved the expulsion of a certain ethnic group from several states which he felt was hurting the war effort. One might even call it a pogrom.

    Imagine if we could re-direct all of this energy to promoting BDS.

  25. • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @t

    https://twitter.com/yannperrodifnb/status/1274534296540381185?s=21

  26. syonredux says:
    June 21, 2020 at 3:18 am GMT • 100 Words   

    Ida Bae reminding those uppity Injuns to mind their place in the progressive stack. Remember, B comes before I in BIPOC (Black, Indigenous, People of Color).

    Did you know Native people brought the enslaved black people they owned on the Trail of Tears?

    Most Native people in the SE were not enslaved and Native people never experience chattel slavery. Even when speaking of the Lumbee, he ignores that this is a tribe heavily mixed with black, which is why it has failed to get federal recognition.

    • Replies: @Fidelios Automata
    @syonredux

    I will dance with glee seeing the Coalition of the Fringes turn into the Circular Firing Squad.

    , @Redneck farmer
    @syonredux

    Rifles For The Descendants Of Watie?

    , @Jack D
    @syonredux


    Even when speaking of the Lumbee, he ignores that this is a tribe heavily mixed with black, which is why it has failed to get federal recognition.
     
    Modern genetic testing shows that the Lumbee are about as Indian as Liz Warren. They are just mulattoes that back in the day decided that it was better to claim to be Indian than black. Boy were they wrong - they should have stuck with black and they could have had the first Lumbee President.

    Replies: @snorlax

    , @animalogic
    @syonredux

    I wonder when black people will go after black people for owning black slaves ? Or is history just too much of a tongue (brain) twister ?

  27. Wilkey says:
    June 21, 2020 at 3:19 am GMT • 100 Words   

    Perhaps OT or perhaps Totally Relevant: the winner of the 2020 Belmont Stakes is a horse named Tiz the Law. In last place was a horse named….Jungle Runner. A sign from God?

    And in the first race of the broadcast, the Wonder Again Stakes, the winner by at least four lengths was a horse named Sweet Melania. Just sayin’.

    • LOL: HammerJack
  28. @fitzhamilton
    I wonder if the luminaries at the NYT had any comment on the vandalism of the monument to the Massachusetts 54th Colored Infantry near the statehouse in Boston on May 31st? BLM "protesters" desecrated the monument exactly 123 years to the date of its dedication in 1897.

    Col. Robert Gould Shaw and his negro regiment acquitted themselves with valor and heroism at the 2nd battle of Fort Wagner in Charleston harbor in 1863. The 54th lost about 3/4's of its men as casualties, including Col. Shaw and Lewis Douglass, son of Frederick Douglass. The first African American Medal of Honor recipient, William Carney, sergeant with the 54th, received it due to his actions that day in recovering and returning the unit's U.S. Flag to Union lines.

    Their assault - while valiant - was an utter failure, so it can't be said that the 54th's participation was in any way decisive. Fort Wagner later fell due to incessant naval bombardment, which forced Confederate forces to abandon it.

    The fact of their failure is beside the point, however. They were former slaves fighting courageously to overthrow chattel servitude. Defacing their monument was an odd choice, seeing as how it memorializes those very "Black soldiers [who] were as critical as anyone in winning the Civil War."

    Replies: @anon, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Mr. Anon, @bomag, @G. Poulin

    The CivNat force is strong in this one. “Can’t we all just be Americans.”

    People like you are why Whites are we are now. What a cuck and an embarrassment you are.

    I’d have more respect for you if I knew you were trolling everyone, but I’m afraid you might actually be serious.

    • Troll: HammerJack
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    "People like you are why Whites are we are now. What a cuck and an embarrassment you are."

    Cuck is so 2016. It's lost its luster. As far as whites are concerned, it's no different back then as it is now--men and women making their own decisions about race and culture. It just bothers you that we are exercising our liberty. Well, it's not going to change.

    "I’d have more respect for you if I knew you were trolling everyone, but I’m afraid you might actually be serious."

    He is absolutely serious. You learn a thing or two there.

  29. Wilkey says:
    June 21, 2020 at 3:25 am GMT • 100 Words   

    If I had a time machine I’d first go back and kill Hitler. Then I’d go back in time and show all my ancestors who fought for the Union the tweets from people like Ibram X Kendi, so that they’d just say “f—k it,” and save the bother of fighting for people who would never be grateful for their sacrifice.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Wilkey

    Wrong.

    Any intelligent person with a time machine goes back to liquidate all our fellow white people in the slave trade before they can import any negroes to the North American continent.

    Replies: @Known Fact

  30. No point in debating something like this as it gives blacks way too much credit. They don’t have a clue about history. Grant is a 19th century white dude. That’s as deep as the analysis goes.

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
    • Replies: @NOTA
    @gregor

    Honestly, I suspect most of the people tearing down statues are just enjoying tearing shit up.

  31. Curious to hear from others who know history better than I do:
    Has there ever been a more nihilistic protest / political movement than BLM? What’s the goal? What’s the end state? Destroy American culture and expose its hypocrisy and then what?

    The wanton violence of communism and it’s movements (like the Cultural Revolution) had an end game of a communist society in mind. The 60s protests were centered on civil rights and an end to US fighting in Vietnam. I guess the closest is the late 19th century Anarchist movement?

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @NJ Transit Commuter


    Curious to hear from others who know history better than I do:
    Has there ever been a more nihilistic protest / political movement than BLM?
     
    The Khmer Rouge's Year Zero?


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Zero_(political_notion)


    " What’s the goal? "

    Black people get to do whatever they want?

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @NJ Transit Commuter


    What’s the goal?
     
    Whites fellating BBC.

    Forever.
    , @RichardTaylor
    @NJ Transit Commuter


    Has there ever been a more nihilistic protest / political movement than BLM?
     
    The zealous abolitionists who yearned for the blood of their White countrymen were as bad as it gets.

    John Brown was a certified nut who killed innocent citizens in his insane desire to start a slave revolt that would kill White people. He got his sons in on a raid that got them killed. And even after all that, the anti-South crowd made a hero out of him. So yeah, this isn't new.
    , @Whiskey
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    The Goal of BLM is to make black people everywhere the masters of White people. And others, but principally White ones.

    It is nothing more and less than black Domination of other races. ONLY black Lives matter, not any others. And all other races must grovel and kneel, wash their feet, and abase themselves before their masters. Who may assault violently, kill, rob, do whatever. Without the police or legal system interfering in the least.

    This movement is very, very popular. With White women. With White men, not so much. They don't get the BDSM thrills White women get from crawling around in bondage gear.

    But that's pretty much it. BLM has totally destroyed Trump, he can't even get a crowd in Tulsa OK. The place was 2/3 empty. Biden despite being technically, dead, is on a par to win all 50 states and install either Susan Rice or the Beast from 20,000 fathoms as the real President.

    Rice has said that Trump (White) supporters belong on the Trash Heap of history, so draw your own conclusions there.

    Expect to pay the Whitey tax every year and get down and grovel when you meet a black person.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Ragno
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    It's important to understand that the Cultural Revolution playbook has now been jettisoned. The CCP gameplan has now been replaced by that of the ANC.


    What’s the goal? What’s the end state?
     
    The ongoing Truth & Reconciliation Hearings are just the hors d'ouevre. The main course here is the, cough, “land reform program”.

    And don't kid yourself that Obama wasn't setting the groundwork for this. Besides defanging any Trump-like populism movement ahead of time by restocking the Petty Officials pantry with sotto-voce hammer 'n' sickle types, he prepared for Land Reform with a little fuck-you parting gift to white America called the Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing Act (AFFH).

    If you don't know about it yet? You will, brother. Look it up if you dare – but keep the digitalis within arm's reach.
    , @New Dealer
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    BLM is a heterogeneous front group quietly organized by the Freedom Road Socialist Organization, an avowedly Marxist-Leninist formation. Its three main originators have served as staff for other FRSO front groups. FRSO emerged from the remnants of the New Communist Movement (a miscellany of post-Maoist grouplets) after getting over the shock of the collapse of the Soviet Communism. It is rainbowized, adding race, gender, etc., to class as sources of oppression. Not democratic. Leninist.

    Antifa, though, is anarchocommunist.

    , @TomSchmidt
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    Quoting Taleb, "whoever has no past, has no future." As my Israeli friend put it: a tree without roots cannot grow.

    What they want to do when the tree is dead, who knows.

  32. @NJ Transit Commuter
    Curious to hear from others who know history better than I do:
    Has there ever been a more nihilistic protest / political movement than BLM? What’s the goal? What’s the end state? Destroy American culture and expose its hypocrisy and then what?

    The wanton violence of communism and it’s movements (like the Cultural Revolution) had an end game of a communist society in mind. The 60s protests were centered on civil rights and an end to US fighting in Vietnam. I guess the closest is the late 19th century Anarchist movement?

    Replies: @syonredux, @The Wild Geese Howard, @RichardTaylor, @Whiskey, @Ragno, @New Dealer, @TomSchmidt

    Curious to hear from others who know history better than I do:
    Has there ever been a more nihilistic protest / political movement than BLM?

    The Khmer Rouge’s Year Zero?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Zero_(political_notion)

    ” What’s the goal? ”

    Black people get to do whatever they want?

  33. Unfortunately, now that Pearson has a monopoly on school textbooks, the woke crap-view of US history is being pumped into little kids heads everywhere. Even still, Daughter of Bozo and Idi Kimbo are delusional.

  34. Anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Gettysburg turned out entirely different and Lee destroyed the Union Army.
     
    After which the Union was forced to live as a second Canada, and the Confederacy became the New South Africa.

    Be careful what you wish for...

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Kronos

    This. The key problem with the Civil war is that it wasn’t fought early enough.

    Israel does show what can be done in the modern era if there are problematic people within your country.

    • Replies: @Pat Kittle
    @Anonymous


    Israel does show what can be done in the modern era if there are problematic people within your country.
     
    Right you are -- Israel makes life miserable for Israeli Muslims & Christians, who are "problematic" by their mere existence.

    Happily, the (((media))) cover for (((them))).
    , @Colin Wright
    @Anonymous

    'Israel does show what can be done in the modern era if there are problematic people within your country.'

    Please don't conflate Israel with societies composed of decent human beings.

    Replies: @Gordo, @Reg Cæsar

  35. @Elli
    There is a three part series on Grant on the History Channel. Grant goes to the courthouse and frees his slave. The black commenter (TNC?) says Grant was poor and freeing the slave was like walking away from your house without getting anything for it.

    Which is more consequential than taking a knee.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Prof. Woland

    If Coates gets cancelled for that, that would be hilarious.

    • Replies: @william munny
    @Dave Pinsen

    Coates became an expert in Grant because he read his "memoir" in 2010:

    "It's all just too much. I am a black man, and God only knows what Grant would have made of me in that time, or in this one. I asked myself that question so many times while reading that I made myself ill. I don't care to ever hear it again. Grant is splendid to me, and I am sick of keeping score."

  36. Anonymous[166] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lugash
    I've always wanted Jay Leno man on the street interviews of Blacks asking when the Civil War occurred. My guess is most of them couldn't get the right decade.

    Replies: @Peterike, @Anonymous, @Escher, @snorlax, @Harold, @NOTA, @Kratoklastes, @S. Anonyia

    Century

  37. These are the kind of morons who claim, with apparent sincerity, that white folks made all those inventions because they stole them from black people.

  38. @syonredux
    Ida Bae reminding those uppity Injuns to mind their place in the progressive stack. Remember, B comes before I in BIPOC (Black, Indigenous, People of Color).

    Did you know Native people brought the enslaved black people they owned on the Trail of Tears?
     
    https://twitter.com/MarxistSoccer/status/1274506728600715265

    Most Native people in the SE were not enslaved and Native people never experience chattel slavery. Even when speaking of the Lumbee, he ignores that this is a tribe heavily mixed with black, which is why it has failed to get federal recognition.
     
    https://twitter.com/nhannahjones/status/1168618530683707392

    Replies: @Fidelios Automata, @Redneck farmer, @Jack D, @animalogic

    I will dance with glee seeing the Coalition of the Fringes turn into the Circular Firing Squad.

  39. @Lugash
    I've always wanted Jay Leno man on the street interviews of Blacks asking when the Civil War occurred. My guess is most of them couldn't get the right decade.

    Replies: @Peterike, @Anonymous, @Escher, @snorlax, @Harold, @NOTA, @Kratoklastes, @S. Anonyia

    Civil war?
    I thought we still slaves and s*it.

  40. @Clifford Brown
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-4AtiOjBmg

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

  41. @Wilkey
    If I had a time machine I’d first go back and kill Hitler. Then I’d go back in time and show all my ancestors who fought for the Union the tweets from people like Ibram X Kendi, so that they’d just say “f—k it,” and save the bother of fighting for people who would never be grateful for their sacrifice.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    Wrong.

    Any intelligent person with a time machine goes back to liquidate all our fellow white people in the slave trade before they can import any negroes to the North American continent.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    You'd need to bring along the specs for mechanized farm equipment

  42. @NJ Transit Commuter
    Curious to hear from others who know history better than I do:
    Has there ever been a more nihilistic protest / political movement than BLM? What’s the goal? What’s the end state? Destroy American culture and expose its hypocrisy and then what?

    The wanton violence of communism and it’s movements (like the Cultural Revolution) had an end game of a communist society in mind. The 60s protests were centered on civil rights and an end to US fighting in Vietnam. I guess the closest is the late 19th century Anarchist movement?

    Replies: @syonredux, @The Wild Geese Howard, @RichardTaylor, @Whiskey, @Ragno, @New Dealer, @TomSchmidt

    What’s the goal?

    Whites fellating BBC.

    Forever.

  43. Escher says:
    June 21, 2020 at 4:07 am GMT • 100 Words   

    Meanwhile, on a continent far far away, it is again “a long time ago”

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53123947

    It’s hard to put up with the fact that a dictator from the 21st Century is being placed on a pedestal and a memorial is being made out of it. Unfortunately the courts have decided otherwise, we must accept that, but not without comment.”

    However, MLPD’s chair, Gabi Fechtner, described the communist leader as “an ahead-of-his-time thinker of world-historical importance, an early fighter for freedom and democracy”, according to the AFP news agency.

  44. TinnyDuk says:
    June 21, 2020 at 4:08 am GMT • 100 Words   

    Leave the Grant statue. Replace the rebel ones with those of African American Union soldiers who earned the Medal of Honor. Honor both. The existence of one doesn’t negate the importance of the other.

    I didn’t think Kendi was calling for Grant’s statue to be torn down – just challenging the White savior myth

    I must say, seeing these symbols removed by popular revolt feels right. Part of me wishes there was another way to save historical objects, not for what they represent, but for what we rejected.

    Let these removals be signifies for undoing the White savior false meta-narrative.

    Also, the North fought first to protect the Union and second to abolish the institution of slavery. They did not fight against racism.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @TinnyDuk


    I didn’t think Kendi was calling for Grant’s statue to be torn down – just challenging the White savior myth.
     
    If a person saves my life or liberates me from bondage I don’t call his saving act a “myth.” It’s quite actually a fact. But then you are TinyDick, so there is that.

    Over 300,000 white soldiers died serving in the Union Army. That must be quite a myth.
  45. Whatever are they going to do about Muhammad, who owned slaves, sold them and likely screwed them?

    Probably nothing, but someone ought to bring it up.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Bill P

    Duh, there are no statues of Mohammed.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Reg Cæsar

  46. BLM shooting?

  47. what’s the point of having a back and forth with africans, Steve?

    Steve is a man in his 60s who hasn’t figured out that having a discussion with africans about anything other than sports maybe, is total waste of time.

    and, need i point out yet again, what’s actually happening here. (who) owns NYT and (who) platforms the 1619 Project. just like (who) owns ESPN and (who) platforms The Undefeated.

    does Steve get that (you know who) platforms these people? and that’s why they have a voice? and that there’s no point to even responding to these people because he’s talking to a babbling idiot?

    this isn’t about facts or reason. this is about (you know who) giving a bullhorn to their shock troops. why waste any time responding. responding with facts and reason for 30 years has gotten nowhere.

    • Replies: @Mitchell Porter
    @prime noticer

    At this point Black Lives Matter reminds me of the gay marriage movement, in the sense that most 'institutions' (including large businesses) have endorsed it. So I am trying to imagine what its 'victory' would look like. Blacks are only about one-seventh of American population. They are already massively promoted in American popular culture...

    Let me accept your premise that the prominence of BLM is due to the choices of Jewish owners of mass media. What are they thinking? It could be an expression of the post-Holocaust Jewish condition. For centuries Jews were treated as a religious outgroup, then they secularized, then they were treated as a racial outgroup. So in the latter era they have an incentive to promote a national identity that isn't racial, either by diluting racial majorities, or by making the majority racial identity a negative thing.

    Apart from Jewish identity, with its racial/religious duality, black identity seems to be the strongest racial identity in modern America. So the overall situation has a demographic and a cultural aspect. Demographically, globalized immigration is changing America from white majority to something more heterogeneous, while culturally, black militance and white guilt work against development of affirmative white identity.

    This is a logically coherent picture, but I still only half believe it. What's missing for me, is evidence that this is how things actually work. It's often pointed out that white liberals and progressives are eager boosters of BLM. And if I look for the intellectual rationale of BLM (e.g. that there is a continuing 'white supremacy'), I think of the part of postmodern 'critical theory' that's about race.

    Maybe I'd look for a more nuanced explanation that combines critical race theory, Jewish media oligarchs, and post-Christian white liberalism... If I think about it further, I'm sure critical race theory has had a major impetus from the Holocaust, and that the decline of Christianity in the west is correlated with the rise in Jewish cultural power.

    So in the end it does make sense to me that the left-liberal embrace of black issues is a side effect of Jewish empowerment in the contemporary west. I hypothesize though, that from a Jewish perspective, it has not been a machiavellian plot to prevent ethnonationalism, driven by anti-white animus; but rather that it's seen as a campaign for justice, driven by a belief in Jewish moral superiority.

    Replies: @bomag, @Whiskey, @Prester John

    , @Nicholas Stix
    @prime noticer

    Apparently, you haven't noticed that Jews haven't owned the New York Times since 1992. Noticing isn't your strength. You are in danger of being sued for impersonation of a noticer.

    Replies: @Hibernian

  48. I’m thinking Ibram X Kendri’s readership will be declining in coming months.

    B at MofA thinks the US is in deep doo doo. I agree, sort of. Look for the dreaded, hated and feared “disparate impact.”

    In other words, the electorate in November will be skewed towards people who take precautions like wearing a mask and avoiding crowded public places.

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/06/coronavirus-the-us-has-given-up.html

  49. @Lugash
    I've always wanted Jay Leno man on the street interviews of Blacks asking when the Civil War occurred. My guess is most of them couldn't get the right decade.

    Replies: @Peterike, @Anonymous, @Escher, @snorlax, @Harold, @NOTA, @Kratoklastes, @S. Anonyia

    TBF neither could most whites.

    • Agree: Kyle
  50. @fitzhamilton
    I wonder if the luminaries at the NYT had any comment on the vandalism of the monument to the Massachusetts 54th Colored Infantry near the statehouse in Boston on May 31st? BLM "protesters" desecrated the monument exactly 123 years to the date of its dedication in 1897.

    Col. Robert Gould Shaw and his negro regiment acquitted themselves with valor and heroism at the 2nd battle of Fort Wagner in Charleston harbor in 1863. The 54th lost about 3/4's of its men as casualties, including Col. Shaw and Lewis Douglass, son of Frederick Douglass. The first African American Medal of Honor recipient, William Carney, sergeant with the 54th, received it due to his actions that day in recovering and returning the unit's U.S. Flag to Union lines.

    Their assault - while valiant - was an utter failure, so it can't be said that the 54th's participation was in any way decisive. Fort Wagner later fell due to incessant naval bombardment, which forced Confederate forces to abandon it.

    The fact of their failure is beside the point, however. They were former slaves fighting courageously to overthrow chattel servitude. Defacing their monument was an odd choice, seeing as how it memorializes those very "Black soldiers [who] were as critical as anyone in winning the Civil War."

    Replies: @anon, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Mr. Anon, @bomag, @G. Poulin

    Their assault – while valiant – was an utter failure, so it can’t be said that the 54th’s participation was in any way decisive.

    Proving that Union officers could be as profligate with the lives of their black soldiers as they were with the lives of the white ones.

    • Agree: Hibernian
  51. Kronos says:
    June 21, 2020 at 4:39 am GMT • 100 Words   
    @Reg Cæsar

    Gettysburg turned out entirely different and Lee destroyed the Union Army.
     
    After which the Union was forced to live as a second Canada, and the Confederacy became the New South Africa.

    Be careful what you wish for...

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Kronos

    One of the funniest mockumentry films ever! Confederacy wins and takes over the entire US. Goes all the way up to 2004.

    Instead of a 1950s Red Scare it’s abolitionism.

    Instead of the Berlin Wall, it’s a giant wall across Canada to keep slaves escaping from the CSA.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Kronos


    Instead of the Berlin Wall, it’s a giant wall across Canada to keep slaves escaping from the CSA.
     
    The funniest part is the bit where the documentary says that Canada, thanks to all those runaway slaves, turns into a scientific powerhouse....

    Replies: @Kronos

    , @Corn
    @Kronos

    I’ve seen that movie. Falls into “so bad it’s good” territory imo.

  52. Wilkey says:
    June 21, 2020 at 4:42 am GMT • 100 Words   
    @TinnyDuk
    Leave the Grant statue. Replace the rebel ones with those of African American Union soldiers who earned the Medal of Honor. Honor both. The existence of one doesn’t negate the importance of the other.

    I didn't think Kendi was calling for Grant's statue to be torn down - just challenging the White savior myth

    I must say, seeing these symbols removed by popular revolt feels right. Part of me wishes there was another way to save historical objects, not for what they represent, but for what we rejected.

    Let these removals be signifies for undoing the White savior false meta-narrative.

    Also, the North fought first to protect the Union and second to abolish the institution of slavery. They did not fight against racism.

    Replies: @Wilkey

    I didn’t think Kendi was calling for Grant’s statue to be torn down – just challenging the White savior myth.

    If a person saves my life or liberates me from bondage I don’t call his saving act a “myth.” It’s quite actually a fact. But then you are TinyDick, so there is that.

    Over 300,000 white soldiers died serving in the Union Army. That must be quite a myth.

  53. @Bill P
    Whatever are they going to do about Muhammad, who owned slaves, sold them and likely screwed them?

    Probably nothing, but someone ought to bring it up.

    Replies: @anon

    Duh, there are no statues of Mohammed.

    • LOL: HammerJack
    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @anon

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1270828522131554304?s=21

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @anon


    Duh, there are no statues of Mohammed.
     
    There is a very lovely portrait of him in Bologna:


    http://heritagetimes.eu/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/IMG_0570.jpg

    In its horrific depiction of Hell, a gigantic Lucifer dominates the work. The prophet Mohammed also appears being devoured by a demon. After the September 11th attacks, Italian police have thwarted several Islamist terrorists attempting to damage or destroy San Petronio.

    http://heritagetimes.eu/san-petronio-bologna/
     
    However, the basilica has not been spared terrorism:

    Michelangelo also worked in San Petronio, making one of its lost masterpieces, a huge bronze statue of Pope Julius II. Unfortunately, an angry mob destroyed the work in 1511.
     
    Mohammedans and Hindoos should refrain from visiting the city:


    Glad You Asked: What is bologna made of, and how did it get its name?

    Replies: @snorlax

  54. @unit472
    30 years ago some 'What If" writer ( Harry Turtledove?) wrote a book in which some South Africans invented a time machine to secure their countries future and went back in time and supplied automatic weapons to Robert E. Lee. Gettysburg turned out entirely different and Lee destroyed the Union Army. Didn't really need a time machine I suppose, just Hiram Maxim being born in Atlanta or Richmond 25 years earlier. Machineguns were technically possible in 1863 but no one had yet figured out how to use recoil or gas pressure to put the next round into the chamber of a firearm.

    The one thing that history does teach us is that the negro mind has not yet made that technical innovation that proves decisive on the battlefield. They are just cannon fodder when armies clash.

    ‘Whatever happens, we have got, the Maxim, and they have not’

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Kronos, @Jack D, @Anonymous, @Mokiki

    Machineguns were technically possible in 1863 but no one had yet figured out how to use recoil or gas pressure to put the next round into the chamber of a firearm….

    ‘Whatever happens, we have got, the Maxim, and they have not’

    How times have changed. Now the other side has “the maxim”. Expecting this at the next BLM riot:

    leader: “Whatever happens, we have got…”
    crowd: “the maxim, and they have not!”
    all: “Black lives matter! Black lives matter!”

    • LOL: kaganovitch
  55. J1234 says:
    June 21, 2020 at 4:50 am GMT • 200 Words   

    For American black activists, the moral universe revolves around the enslavement of black people 350 to 150 years ago…but the modern enslavement of black Africans (by the millions over the last two centuries) at the hands of other black Africans barely goes noticed.

    Takeaway from blacks: Slavery isn’t that bad except when it’s perpetrated by people of other races against my ancestors.

    People being reduced to a summation of their flaws is evil when the criminal records of black men shot by the police are made known to the public…but US Grant’s historic advocacy for American blacks at great personal risk to himself becomes essentially irrelevant when measured against two slaves owned by his wife, and one owned by him.

    Takeaway from blacks: There is an elaborate system of social and moral codes and taboos that aren’t bound by consistent principles or logic that can be applied to histories other than ours or people other than us.

    Ultimate takeaway from blacks: Social superiority isn’t that bad when we have it. When other people have it, it’s immoral.

    Whether robbing liquor stores or coming up with moral codes, blacks seem to have strategies that seem like good ideas in the short run, but fail in the long run.

  56. ‘In the White savior story, Lincoln, Grant or some White man won the Civil War and saved Black people. In the actual history, Black soldiers, spies and runaways were as critical as anyone in winning the Civil War. ‘

    I’m quite certain that’s not at all true. For whatever reason, black troops don’t seem to have been much use as first-line combat soldiers. The two most spectacular attempts to use them in that role: the Crater and that assault on Fort Wagner, were both appalling failures.

    There’s no reason to think the presence of black soldiers critically affected the outcome of the war. If not one black solder had served, the war still ends as it did and about when it did, with a Union victory in the Spring 1865 — not even a few months earlier or later.

    I am getting tired of this infantile tendency to replace any reasoned attempt to ascertain the truth with simply willfully asserting whatever the speaker finds convenient to assume was the case. The great example of the moment is the assumption that the police somehow treat blacks worse than they treat anyone else, but this is another example of the same error. Just because you want something to be the case doesn’t make it so. Is that so hard to understand?

    …as to us being ‘white saviors,’ we’re getting over that real fast. No fear.

    • Agree: 68W58
  57. I don’t agree entirely with Steve here, and the reason is based on something not often remarked, which is that in the original civil rights movement, it was quite obvious that the US was a white country. MLK wasn’t calling for multiculturalism, he wanted fair treatment from the white supermajority, which was an obvious fact of the US in its history and contemporary government.

    Nowadays, the white supermajority is basically gone. Qhite literally, the USA is no longer a white country.

    In the old civic myths, the Civil War was a conflict between two factions of the supermajority over the legal status of resident minorities. In the new civic myths (dominant in the last, say, 20 years), the Civil War was just a stage in the long road to overthrow and replace the white supermajority to institute various Zeroth Amendments.

    Under the old myths, it was reasonable for blacks to live in communities with Confederate statues for various white cultural reasons. But under the new myths, the presence of Confederate statues is the enemy, and the presence of a Grant statue is marginal because it is a reminder of the triumph of the “right side of history” but is also a literal relic of the old civic myths.

    Steve judges the woman’s perspective based on the old civic myths, which are also the basis of his Citizenism, but under the new myths, she is entirely reasonable.

    • Agree: ic1000, Kyle
  58. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1274371553057275904

    Replies: @Stan d Mute

    This is what the Times wanted

    Well, we know for certain that this Bantu tribeswoman desperately wanted (and assuredly deserves) all this attention she’s getting. Just look at her beautiful hair!!

  59. @Lugash
    I've always wanted Jay Leno man on the street interviews of Blacks asking when the Civil War occurred. My guess is most of them couldn't get the right decade.

    Replies: @Peterike, @Anonymous, @Escher, @snorlax, @Harold, @NOTA, @Kratoklastes, @S. Anonyia

    • Thanks: HammerJack
  60. donut says:
    June 21, 2020 at 5:11 am GMT • 200 Words   

    Hey Steve , you’re always rattling you tin cup for coin . I understand man we’ve all got to eat but I just can’t I can’t bring myself to give money . Maybe it’s a flaw in me . I have given money to some things on line , I gave Adblock money . A one time donation you feel me ? And I understand you’ve got to make a living Negro as do we all . But irrational as it may be I’ve always felt that a real man should be paid for real labor . This intellectual shit , this talk talk talk , wind should be free . But I know you put your time in to provide us with this platform . So what to do ? Recently I have become obsessed with the “Shepherd’s Sling” . You know David killed Goliath with one . So here is my offer to you . Check out some youtube videos go to Amazon get your self a sling and if you can hit a plate sized target from 25 ft . 60% of the time I will give you $1000 . Of course video confirmation will be required . Just one tip don’t use golf balls they’ve got too much bounce back from 25 ft . they could knock you out .

    • Replies: @donut
    @donut

    Qui tacet consentire videtur, ubi loqui debuit ac potuit . Having passed my comment/challenge with out comment I will take your silence as consent and assume you have accepted the challenge . I will send a check to which ever third party you chose to hold it until you have fulfilled the conditions of the challenge .

    Replies: @William Badwhite

  61. @Abe
    OT-

    https://reason.com/2020/06/18/washington-post-blackface-halloween-costume-cancel-culture

    Short version- two Fragile-ieshas attend a DC Halloween party where an attendee is in black face in MOCKERY of Fox news anchor Megyn Kelly who is anti-anti-blackface, or at least anti-anti-blackface adjacent, which would have made the attendee objectively anti-blackface. But this is too much high school-caliber logic for Fragile-iesha 1 and Fragile-iesha 2, so they personally attack their late-middle age Good White ally (calling her makeup ugly, pointing out her wrinkles) until she runs from the party in tears.

    Two years AFTER the incident Fragile-iesha 1 is still fuming despite humiliating the Good White ally at the time of the incident, and gets the WASHINGTON POST to publish an investigative piece on... a WASHINGTON POST Halloween party.

    Replies: @NOTA, @Lot

    That story was truly shameful.

  62. @Lugash
    I've always wanted Jay Leno man on the street interviews of Blacks asking when the Civil War occurred. My guess is most of them couldn't get the right decade.

    Replies: @Peterike, @Anonymous, @Escher, @snorlax, @Harold, @NOTA, @Kratoklastes, @S. Anonyia

    Probably true of whites, too. Most people are really stunningly ignorant.

  63. @gregor
    No point in debating something like this as it gives blacks way too much credit. They don't have a clue about history. Grant is a 19th century white dude. That's as deep as the analysis goes.

    Replies: @NOTA

    Honestly, I suspect most of the people tearing down statues are just enjoying tearing shit up.

  64. Kronos says:
    June 21, 2020 at 5:32 am GMT • 100 Words   

    Are we overthinking black attacks on statues?

    Are we over-intellectualizing something that isn’t there? That instead of principle reasons it’s more of a “hey, the police have been turned off! Let’s have fun!” kind of thing.

    • Agree: Ragno
  65. @Anonymous
    @Reg Cæsar

    This. The key problem with the Civil war is that it wasn't fought early enough.

    Israel does show what can be done in the modern era if there are problematic people within your country.

    Replies: @Pat Kittle, @Colin Wright

    Israel does show what can be done in the modern era if there are problematic people within your country.

    Right you are — Israel makes life miserable for Israeli Muslims & Christians, who are “problematic” by their mere existence.

    Happily, the (((media))) cover for (((them))).

  66. vhrm says:
    June 21, 2020 at 5:37 am GMT • 100 Words   

    Here’s another expert.
    Supposedly a Macy’s employee used the n-word at work in Flint Michigan. (riiiight….)

    And an indignant expert gentleman pummeled him for it. And the expert gentleman’s rapper friend filmed it and posted it on Twitter expecting… adulation?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8443775/Rapper-filmed-brother-beating-white-Macys-employee-insists-heard-man-call-n-word.html

    These are the people we share our country with…
    and this is what happens when you indulge their insane false narrative of the world.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @vhrm

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1274529043073970177?s=21

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Whiskey, @vhrm, @vhrm

    , @International Jew
    @vhrm

    Let me guess: the employee was fired, and his assailant was released without bail?

    Replies: @snorlax

  67. …some undeservedly obscure black woman with great hair…

    I hate it when Black women don’t let me touch their hair.

  68. @unit472
    30 years ago some 'What If" writer ( Harry Turtledove?) wrote a book in which some South Africans invented a time machine to secure their countries future and went back in time and supplied automatic weapons to Robert E. Lee. Gettysburg turned out entirely different and Lee destroyed the Union Army. Didn't really need a time machine I suppose, just Hiram Maxim being born in Atlanta or Richmond 25 years earlier. Machineguns were technically possible in 1863 but no one had yet figured out how to use recoil or gas pressure to put the next round into the chamber of a firearm.

    The one thing that history does teach us is that the negro mind has not yet made that technical innovation that proves decisive on the battlefield. They are just cannon fodder when armies clash.

    ‘Whatever happens, we have got, the Maxim, and they have not’

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Kronos, @Jack D, @Anonymous, @Mokiki

    I read the book, it’s a good read.

    A funnier means of changing history would be to give Grant massive hangovers (more than usual) before important battles.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Kronos

    When a group of abolitionists approached Lincoln and charged Gen. Grant with drinking too much liquor and asked for his removal, Lincoln asked them if they knew what brand of whiskey Grant drank. No, they replied, why do you ask? Lincoln replied that if he knew which brand it was he would send a barrel of it to all the other Union commanders so they could succeed like Grant.

    Replies: @Kronos

  69. @Elli
    There is a three part series on Grant on the History Channel. Grant goes to the courthouse and frees his slave. The black commenter (TNC?) says Grant was poor and freeing the slave was like walking away from your house without getting anything for it.

    Which is more consequential than taking a knee.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Prof. Woland

    My father, who was from the south, used to say that the Confederates won the war because all the blacks went north afterwards. It wasn’t Irony.

  70. Sean says:
    June 21, 2020 at 5:46 am GMT • 300 Words   

    In 2018 the Southern Poverty Law Center found that few American high-school students know that slavery was the cause of the Civil War. Grant’s myth was tied up with obscuring slavery as a cause, and replacing it with preservation of the Union as real reason the Civil War had to be fought, although John S. Mosby said he never knew of any cause but slavery.

    Yet if the Confederacy had withdrawn from the Union because Southern whites insisted there should be mandatory freeing of slaves and reparations to born free Blacks for their ancestors’ enslavement, integrated schools, affirmative action, and encouraging of intermarriage of white women with black men, then the North would still have attacked and conquered the South and stopped it leaving. The main tenet of foreign policy is for a state to dominate its own region: a Confederate state if left alone would form alliances with European powers, which the US could not allow.

    Having established the Monroe Doctrine, the goal of American foreign policy became to prevent any other country dominating its region. To achieve this American would balance (ie interfere) against any power elsewhere in the world that might succeed in dominating its own region, because once secure at home such a country would make mischief well out of its region, as the US is free to do and does. It’s not about the facts because unity in the belief rather than its actual content is important. Call it ideological line dancing, as with WW2 Japan in which the practice of Shinto meant Japan punched above its weight. Worshipping ancestors worked and exocrating ancestors will work too.

    Former Google CEO Eric Schmidt says China could supplant Silicon Valley as the world’s tech powerhouse unless the US government steps in

    Under Trump America realized it faces an enormous country in a blur of dynamic growth. History of the Peloponnesian War-style China is rising economically; in a multilateral world of cooperation the rise cannot be stopped. So America must go to the Spartan solution to the problem, but that requires a united country, and a myth everyone subscribes to.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Sean


    Under Trump America realized it faces an enormous country in a blur of dynamic growth. History of the Peloponnesian War-style China is rising economically; in a multilateral world of cooperation the rise cannot be stopped. So America must go to the Spartan solution to the problem, but that requires a united country, and a myth everyone subscribes to.
     
    Huh? So Black Lives Matter is the new founding myth that's going to unite the country and help the US compete with China?

    There's no doubt that blacks want a new black supremacist founding myth for the country that elevates them and forces everyone else to defer to them, and would then like to use the power of the US to promote black power and interests worldwide in non-black areas like China. The problem is that this Black Lives Matter black supremacist ideology is highly divisive and tends to push most whites away, and a black dominated US and Silicon Valley would quickly decline.
    , @icono1
    @Sean

    Beautiful.

  71. @t
    https://twitter.com/Julio_Rosas11/status/1274530932691742721

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

  72. @anon
    @Bill P

    Duh, there are no statues of Mohammed.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Reg Cæsar

  73. Anonymous[144] • Disclaimer says:
    June 21, 2020 at 5:55 am GMT • 100 Words   
    @t
    https://twitter.com/MarxistSoccer/status/1274506728600715265

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Pop Warner, @Buffalo Joe

    That was logically inevitable.

    The 1619 Project is basically a black supremacist project to replace the traditional American founding narrative with a black supremacist narrative and ideology for the future that everyone in America – white, black, immigrant, etc. – has to follow.

    But any black supremacist ideology has to be able to supersede Amerindian claims and moral authority. Mostly Amerindians will just be ignored, because they’re few in number and largely forgotten. But if necessary, black supremacists will just hand wave away and dismiss Amerindians and delegitimize them by associating them with slavery or oppression of blacks, thus maintaining the black supremacist ideology which asserts that blacks have the right to dominate the US because of slavery and oppression.

  74. @vhrm
    Here's another expert.
    Supposedly a Macy's employee used the n-word at work in Flint Michigan. (riiiight....)

    And an indignant expert gentleman pummeled him for it. And the expert gentleman's rapper friend filmed it and posted it on Twitter expecting... adulation?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8443775/Rapper-filmed-brother-beating-white-Macys-employee-insists-heard-man-call-n-word.html

    These are the people we share our country with...
    and this is what happens when you indulge their insane false narrative of the world.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @International Jew

    • Agree: Lot
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Dave Pinsen

    Man, watching crap like that makes me angry.

    We have got to put these vermin down!

    , @Whiskey
    @Dave Pinsen

    black people have the legal right to beat down a White person for any reason. It's the law.

    The Law. Mitt Romney, the Pope, the Supreme Court, the US Military, every corporate entity and all of info tainment say so.

    There will be an arrest. Of the employee. Charge? Uppity White does not know his place.

    , @vhrm
    @Dave Pinsen

    (shouldn't that be "see, he WAS racist"?)

    But exactly, this reminds me of the stuff Steve has written about African religions where people are always afraid Pepe have put curses on them.

    It's time to stop indulging these delusions about the n-word.

    (and again, i think the chance that that random middle aged looking milquetoast Macy's employee in Flint would use the n-word at work is about the same as the IFR for coronavirus...)

    Replies: @Kyle

    , @vhrm
    @Dave Pinsen

    a twitter tech usage question, if someone has a minute:

    In the responses to David's tweet someone, maybe him,retweets this:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/NicoleArbour/status/1274134532871131137
    in a way that is easily followable.

    I don't know who she is but the video isn't hers it's "f rom Andrew Neil"... but THAT is just a link to Neil's profile, not a link to his post. So basically i can't get back to the source of the video and it becomes just a piece of flamebait.

    What's the story behind this technique? is there some technical reason here I'm not aware of or are people like this Nicole chick just trying to hog attention at the expense of polluting the information space?

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

  75. Anon[203] • Disclaimer says:
    June 21, 2020 at 6:00 am GMT • 100 Words   

    Much of this is the fault of Covid-19. A lot of people with attention-seeking, drama queen personalities were locked up at home because of the quarantine, and they went bonkers with all that bottled-up urge to get attention. They latched onto George Floyd’s death because he was convenient, and their street protests are just attention-seeking behavior looking for any useful reason to make a scene.

    Case in point:

    https://hoodsite.com/woman-twerks-in-the-middle-of-the-street-for-black-lives-matter/

    I rest my case with this one.

    • Agree: Ragno
  76. @Anonymous
    @Reg Cæsar

    This. The key problem with the Civil war is that it wasn't fought early enough.

    Israel does show what can be done in the modern era if there are problematic people within your country.

    Replies: @Pat Kittle, @Colin Wright

    ‘Israel does show what can be done in the modern era if there are problematic people within your country.’

    Please don’t conflate Israel with societies composed of decent human beings.

    • Agree: Kratoklastes
    • Replies: @Gordo
    @Colin Wright

    Its maybe a bit late for decency.

    We appear to be decenting ourselves to death.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Colin Wright


    Please don’t conflate Israel with societies composed of decent human beings.
     
    Yes. Decent human beings don't prohibit the consumption of pork, from the most civilized of animals. That's a red flag right there.

    And nothing says "duplicity" like their writing in Satan's direction rather than God's, like the rest of the world does.
  77. @Abe
    OT-

    https://reason.com/2020/06/18/washington-post-blackface-halloween-costume-cancel-culture

    Short version- two Fragile-ieshas attend a DC Halloween party where an attendee is in black face in MOCKERY of Fox news anchor Megyn Kelly who is anti-anti-blackface, or at least anti-anti-blackface adjacent, which would have made the attendee objectively anti-blackface. But this is too much high school-caliber logic for Fragile-iesha 1 and Fragile-iesha 2, so they personally attack their late-middle age Good White ally (calling her makeup ugly, pointing out her wrinkles) until she runs from the party in tears.

    Two years AFTER the incident Fragile-iesha 1 is still fuming despite humiliating the Good White ally at the time of the incident, and gets the WASHINGTON POST to publish an investigative piece on... a WASHINGTON POST Halloween party.

    Replies: @NOTA, @Lot

    No sympathy for someone going to a WashPost staff party in a costume intended as an attack on Fox News.

    In fact I will help out and bring the A1 sauce for the revolutionaries eating their own.

    • Agree: William Badwhite
  78. @Dave Pinsen
    @vhrm

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1274529043073970177?s=21

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Whiskey, @vhrm, @vhrm

    Man, watching crap like that makes me angry.

    We have got to put these vermin down!

  79. Anonymous[146] • Disclaimer says:

    NEGROOOOOOOOOOO!!!

  80. Whiskey says: • Website
    June 21, 2020 at 6:24 am GMT • 100 Words   
    @Dave Pinsen
    @vhrm

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1274529043073970177?s=21

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Whiskey, @vhrm, @vhrm

    black people have the legal right to beat down a White person for any reason. It’s the law.

    The Law. Mitt Romney, the Pope, the Supreme Court, the US Military, every corporate entity and all of info tainment say so.

    There will be an arrest. Of the employee. Charge? Uppity White does not know his place.

  81. vhrm says:
    June 21, 2020 at 6:36 am GMT • 100 Words   
    @Dave Pinsen
    @vhrm

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1274529043073970177?s=21

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Whiskey, @vhrm, @vhrm

    (shouldn’t that be “see, he WAS racist”?)

    But exactly, this reminds me of the stuff Steve has written about African religions where people are always afraid Pepe have put curses on them.

    It’s time to stop indulging these delusions about the n-word.

    (and again, i think the chance that that random middle aged looking milquetoast Macy’s employee in Flint would use the n-word at work is about the same as the IFR for coronavirus…)

    • Replies: @Kyle
    @vhrm

    I disagree. I think it’s very possible that a white flintstonian used the n word. Have you ever been to flint? All the whites there either love blacks or hate them. And they’d all be likely to use the n word. The whites there are dull. It must be all the heavy metals in the tap water. I could see a dumb Macy’s employee shouting on the phone at work and using the n word totally unaware that there might be customers around him.

  82. Steve,

    I’m surprised you didn’t use this opportunity to cast aspersions on Jewish protesters by recounting Grant’s General Order No. 11. , wherein Grant expelled all Jews from his military district. The Jews in Holly Springs were spared from expulsion through the military efforts of Confederate General Earl Van Dorn.

    Teasing Jews by referencing a curio of history that doesn’t jive with any modern narrative, why, that’s the Steve Sailer trifecta.

  83. @Kronos
    @Reg Cæsar

    One of the funniest mockumentry films ever! Confederacy wins and takes over the entire US. Goes all the way up to 2004.

    Instead of a 1950s Red Scare it’s abolitionism.

    Instead of the Berlin Wall, it’s a giant wall across Canada to keep slaves escaping from the CSA.

    https://youtu.be/exnwTWfFRM8

    Replies: @syonredux, @Corn

    Instead of the Berlin Wall, it’s a giant wall across Canada to keep slaves escaping from the CSA.

    The funniest part is the bit where the documentary says that Canada, thanks to all those runaway slaves, turns into a scientific powerhouse….

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @syonredux

    What about the olympics turning into a de facto slave sport?

  84. Guy in car is blocked by black protestors, and he tries to drive around them. He bumps a protestor aside with his car and is met by a hail of gunshots from the blacks. This is not going to become popular among whites.

  85. “Baptisms, miracles taking place in revival at site where George Floyd died, Christian groups say.”

    https://www.christianpost.com/news/baptisms-miracles-taking-place-in-revival-at-site-where-george-floyd-died-christian-groups-says.html

    People need to STOP this embarrassing, juvenile crap.

    Who knew massage therapists could be so dangerous?

    https://www.inquirer.com/news/philly-protests-fbi-lore-elisabeth-blumenthal-arrests-prosecution-george-floyd-20200619.html

    Every Millennial protester is going to regret getting those tattoos. They’re being used by the cops for identification purposes.

    • Replies: @Morton's toes
    @Anon

    The inquirer has good photos. Blumenthal did an excellent number on those police cars. I wonder what her molotov cocktail instruction sheet was. A lot of times the molotov tossers get a fizzle.

  86. @NJ Transit Commuter
    Curious to hear from others who know history better than I do:
    Has there ever been a more nihilistic protest / political movement than BLM? What’s the goal? What’s the end state? Destroy American culture and expose its hypocrisy and then what?

    The wanton violence of communism and it’s movements (like the Cultural Revolution) had an end game of a communist society in mind. The 60s protests were centered on civil rights and an end to US fighting in Vietnam. I guess the closest is the late 19th century Anarchist movement?

    Replies: @syonredux, @The Wild Geese Howard, @RichardTaylor, @Whiskey, @Ragno, @New Dealer, @TomSchmidt

    Has there ever been a more nihilistic protest / political movement than BLM?

    The zealous abolitionists who yearned for the blood of their White countrymen were as bad as it gets.

    John Brown was a certified nut who killed innocent citizens in his insane desire to start a slave revolt that would kill White people. He got his sons in on a raid that got them killed. And even after all that, the anti-South crowd made a hero out of him. So yeah, this isn’t new.

  87. Jack D says:
    June 21, 2020 at 7:49 am GMT • 100 Words   
    @unit472
    30 years ago some 'What If" writer ( Harry Turtledove?) wrote a book in which some South Africans invented a time machine to secure their countries future and went back in time and supplied automatic weapons to Robert E. Lee. Gettysburg turned out entirely different and Lee destroyed the Union Army. Didn't really need a time machine I suppose, just Hiram Maxim being born in Atlanta or Richmond 25 years earlier. Machineguns were technically possible in 1863 but no one had yet figured out how to use recoil or gas pressure to put the next round into the chamber of a firearm.

    The one thing that history does teach us is that the negro mind has not yet made that technical innovation that proves decisive on the battlefield. They are just cannon fodder when armies clash.

    ‘Whatever happens, we have got, the Maxim, and they have not’

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Kronos, @Jack D, @Anonymous, @Mokiki

    but no one had yet figured out how to use recoil or gas pressure to put the next round into the chamber of a firearm.

    True but the Gatling was capable of continuous fire (though you had to hand crank it) and it was used (a little) during the Civil War. Mainly it was used on rioters in NYC and strikers in Pittsburgh. You would think that it was wrong to use a machine gun on civilian crowds but you are wrong. The draft rioters were white ( mainly Irish) so it was OK, especially since they had attacked black people.

    • Replies: @Corn
    @Jack D

    Aren’t gatling guns legal? I’ve read before that since they have a crank instead of a trigger they don’t meet the ATF’s definition of full-auto.

    Their ownership isn’t widespread granted, you’d need a generous ammo budget.

    , @Joe Stalin
    @Jack D

    White people had machine guns even then before the Gatling gun.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCuVMx5h1x0

    Modern version

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEu9LLQpOF8

  88. @Abe
    A couple years ago some 2o-something black girl came up with the #OscarSoWhite hashtag and “changed the world”. 2020 with its Project 1619-inspired cancelling of the American people, TheShowMustBePaused entertainment blackout (again, all brainchilds of 20-30 year old-ish black girls) has taken this into hyperdrive. Like I said before this is actually a sign of racial progress, since there now seem to be an endless supply of young black women with the same outsized sense of self-importance and sh!t attitude as any blonde, richy-rich Alicia Silverstone-looking alpha bitch.

    Welcome to 2020, the year of the black mean girl (so powerful they can make a senior US Senator like Mitt Romney bow and scrape upon command).

    Replies: @Whiskey, @Redneck farmer, @Garlic

    Does Romney really count?

  89. Jack D says:
    June 21, 2020 at 7:56 am GMT • 100 Words   
    @Kronos
    @unit472

    I read the book, it’s a good read.

    A funnier means of changing history would be to give Grant massive hangovers (more than usual) before important battles.

    https://youtu.be/6LPmuFa81IA

    Replies: @Jack D

    When a group of abolitionists approached Lincoln and charged Gen. Grant with drinking too much liquor and asked for his removal, Lincoln asked them if they knew what brand of whiskey Grant drank. No, they replied, why do you ask? Lincoln replied that if he knew which brand it was he would send a barrel of it to all the other Union commanders so they could succeed like Grant.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Jack D

    True, the worst General-President relationship was between Lincoln and George B. McClellan.

    The Confederate capital in Richmond was only ever 60 miles away from D.C. McClellan was apparently great at organizing/training but for some reason was never a offensive general. The war may have been won much earlier if he attacked within days the Civil War.

    http://gfvac.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/richmond-va-map.png

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Jack D, @snorlax, @Prof. Woland, @Prester John, @Sean, @Steve in Greensboro

  90. @syonredux
    Ida Bae reminding those uppity Injuns to mind their place in the progressive stack. Remember, B comes before I in BIPOC (Black, Indigenous, People of Color).

    Did you know Native people brought the enslaved black people they owned on the Trail of Tears?
     
    https://twitter.com/MarxistSoccer/status/1274506728600715265

    Most Native people in the SE were not enslaved and Native people never experience chattel slavery. Even when speaking of the Lumbee, he ignores that this is a tribe heavily mixed with black, which is why it has failed to get federal recognition.
     
    https://twitter.com/nhannahjones/status/1168618530683707392

    Replies: @Fidelios Automata, @Redneck farmer, @Jack D, @animalogic

    Rifles For The Descendants Of Watie?

  91. Jack D says:
    June 21, 2020 at 8:12 am GMT • 100 Words   
    @syonredux
    Ida Bae reminding those uppity Injuns to mind their place in the progressive stack. Remember, B comes before I in BIPOC (Black, Indigenous, People of Color).

    Did you know Native people brought the enslaved black people they owned on the Trail of Tears?
     
    https://twitter.com/MarxistSoccer/status/1274506728600715265

    Most Native people in the SE were not enslaved and Native people never experience chattel slavery. Even when speaking of the Lumbee, he ignores that this is a tribe heavily mixed with black, which is why it has failed to get federal recognition.
     
    https://twitter.com/nhannahjones/status/1168618530683707392

    Replies: @Fidelios Automata, @Redneck farmer, @Jack D, @animalogic

    Even when speaking of the Lumbee, he ignores that this is a tribe heavily mixed with black, which is why it has failed to get federal recognition.

    Modern genetic testing shows that the Lumbee are about as Indian as Liz Warren. They are just mulattoes that back in the day decided that it was better to claim to be Indian than black. Boy were they wrong – they should have stuck with black and they could have had the first Lumbee President.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    @Jack D


    They are just mulattoes that back in the day decided that it was better to claim to be Indian than black. Boy were they wrong – they should have stuck with black
     
    Dunno, the "Mashantucket Pequot" did the same thing and ended up casino millionaires.

    An unsayable, yet extremely interesting hatefact is that just about anyone outside the Upper Midwest and Alaska who claims to be Indian both appears and is revealed by genetic testing to have minimal to no Indian ancestry. They are rather the descendants of 19th century LARPers.
  92. donut says:
    June 21, 2020 at 8:21 am GMT • 100 Words   
    @donut
    Hey Steve , you're always rattling you tin cup for coin . I understand man we've all got to eat but I just can't I can't bring myself to give money . Maybe it's a flaw in me . I have given money to some things on line , I gave Adblock money . A one time donation you feel me ? And I understand you've got to make a living Negro as do we all . But irrational as it may be I've always felt that a real man should be paid for real labor . This intellectual shit , this talk talk talk , wind should be free . But I know you put your time in to provide us with this platform . So what to do ? Recently I have become obsessed with the "Shepherd's Sling" . You know David killed Goliath with one . So here is my offer to you . Check out some youtube videos go to Amazon get your self a sling and if you can hit a plate sized target from 25 ft . 60% of the time I will give you $1000 . Of course video confirmation will be required . Just one tip don't use golf balls they've got too much bounce back from 25 ft . they could knock you out .

    Replies: @donut

    Qui tacet consentire videtur, ubi loqui debuit ac potuit . Having passed my comment/challenge with out comment I will take your silence as consent and assume you have accepted the challenge . I will send a check to which ever third party you chose to hold it until you have fulfilled the conditions of the challenge .

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @donut

    and then my Commenters to Ignore grew by one

    Replies: @donut

  93. @fitzhamilton
    I wonder if the luminaries at the NYT had any comment on the vandalism of the monument to the Massachusetts 54th Colored Infantry near the statehouse in Boston on May 31st? BLM "protesters" desecrated the monument exactly 123 years to the date of its dedication in 1897.

    Col. Robert Gould Shaw and his negro regiment acquitted themselves with valor and heroism at the 2nd battle of Fort Wagner in Charleston harbor in 1863. The 54th lost about 3/4's of its men as casualties, including Col. Shaw and Lewis Douglass, son of Frederick Douglass. The first African American Medal of Honor recipient, William Carney, sergeant with the 54th, received it due to his actions that day in recovering and returning the unit's U.S. Flag to Union lines.

    Their assault - while valiant - was an utter failure, so it can't be said that the 54th's participation was in any way decisive. Fort Wagner later fell due to incessant naval bombardment, which forced Confederate forces to abandon it.

    The fact of their failure is beside the point, however. They were former slaves fighting courageously to overthrow chattel servitude. Defacing their monument was an odd choice, seeing as how it memorializes those very "Black soldiers [who] were as critical as anyone in winning the Civil War."

    Replies: @anon, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Mr. Anon, @bomag, @G. Poulin

    I wonder if the luminaries at the NYT had any comment on the vandalism of the monument to the Massachusetts 54th Colored Infantry…

    If you think this round of Black-on-White violence is something, wait until you start noticing the ongoing, and likely to increase, Black-on-Black violence.

  94. Not to mention the hurt of having the slave wages to clean that shit taken away when the jobs were given to Latinos and Eastern Europeans.

  95. @Lugash
    I've always wanted Jay Leno man on the street interviews of Blacks asking when the Civil War occurred. My guess is most of them couldn't get the right decade.

    Replies: @Peterike, @Anonymous, @Escher, @snorlax, @Harold, @NOTA, @Kratoklastes, @S. Anonyia

    Well, that would hardly count as conclusive proof of inferioritaah of the nig-ruh, given that some vox pops show that Americans selected at random fail to correctly identify when WWII was fought and which side the US was on.

    It’s really interesting how history has changed, too.

    Two years ago, if I wanted to find a YouTube clip of the guy going around asking (mostly-)white US college students “When was WWII?” and “Who was the enemy in WWII” and getting super-fucktarded answers, it would be near the top of the first page of Google.

    Now, it doesn’t appear in the first page of Google search, let along the first page of the “Videos” tab; the first page is dominated by videos lamenting that American teens have not been indoctrinated to accept the canonical number of victims of the ‘camp-based’ unpleasantness that befell (((some folks))) in the 1940s.

    White US college students got retroactively smarter.

    Anyhow… Google could not ‘de-rank’ searches sufficiently for me to rediscover the NAEP 2014 publication showing that less than 18% of US 8th graders were ‘proficient’ in History.

    If the numbers have improved since 2014, it just means that there was a change in the definition of ‘proficient’.

    • Replies: @res
    @Kratoklastes


    Google could not ‘de-rank’ searches sufficiently for me to rediscover the NAEP 2014 publication showing that less than 18% of US 8th graders were ‘proficient’ in History.

    If the numbers have improved since 2014, it just means that there was a change in the definition of ‘proficient’.
     
    You don't have to worry about fake improvement. In 2018 US 8th graders were down to 15% at or above NAEP Proficient in history. 12th graders (those 2014 8th graders) were down to 12%.
    https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/

    More depressing details about the 2018 US History results at:
    https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/highlights/ushistory/2018/

    These results (2018 Civics, Geography, and History) were released 4/23/20. The 2019 mathematics and reading results are also available.

    One thing which might be of interest is this page has national and state race demographics for 4th and 8th graders going back to 1990. I think this is public school only though.
    https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/mathematics/states/groups?grade=8
  96. @syonredux
    Ida Bae reminding those uppity Injuns to mind their place in the progressive stack. Remember, B comes before I in BIPOC (Black, Indigenous, People of Color).

    Did you know Native people brought the enslaved black people they owned on the Trail of Tears?
     
    https://twitter.com/MarxistSoccer/status/1274506728600715265

    Most Native people in the SE were not enslaved and Native people never experience chattel slavery. Even when speaking of the Lumbee, he ignores that this is a tribe heavily mixed with black, which is why it has failed to get federal recognition.
     
    https://twitter.com/nhannahjones/status/1168618530683707392

    Replies: @Fidelios Automata, @Redneck farmer, @Jack D, @animalogic

    I wonder when black people will go after black people for owning black slaves ? Or is history just too much of a tongue (brain) twister ?

  97. Anonymous[686] • Disclaimer says:
    June 21, 2020 at 9:37 am GMT • 200 Words   
    @Sean
    In 2018 the Southern Poverty Law Center found that few American high-school students know that slavery was the cause of the Civil War. Grant's myth was tied up with obscuring slavery as a cause, and replacing it with preservation of the Union as real reason the Civil War had to be fought, although John S. Mosby said he never knew of any cause but slavery.

    Yet if the Confederacy had withdrawn from the Union because Southern whites insisted there should be mandatory freeing of slaves and reparations to born free Blacks for their ancestors' enslavement, integrated schools, affirmative action, and encouraging of intermarriage of white women with black men, then the North would still have attacked and conquered the South and stopped it leaving. The main tenet of foreign policy is for a state to dominate its own region: a Confederate state if left alone would form alliances with European powers, which the US could not allow.

    Having established the Monroe Doctrine, the goal of American foreign policy became to prevent any other country dominating its region. To achieve this American would balance (ie interfere) against any power elsewhere in the world that might succeed in dominating its own region, because once secure at home such a country would make mischief well out of its region, as the US is free to do and does. It's not about the facts because unity in the belief rather than its actual content is important. Call it ideological line dancing, as with WW2 Japan in which the practice of Shinto meant Japan punched above its weight. Worshipping ancestors worked and exocrating ancestors will work too.


    Former Google CEO Eric Schmidt says China could supplant Silicon Valley as the world's tech powerhouse unless the US government steps in
     
    Under Trump America realized it faces an enormous country in a blur of dynamic growth. History of the Peloponnesian War-style China is rising economically; in a multilateral world of cooperation the rise cannot be stopped. So America must go to the Spartan solution to the problem, but that requires a united country, and a myth everyone subscribes to.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @icono1

    Under Trump America realized it faces an enormous country in a blur of dynamic growth. History of the Peloponnesian War-style China is rising economically; in a multilateral world of cooperation the rise cannot be stopped. So America must go to the Spartan solution to the problem, but that requires a united country, and a myth everyone subscribes to.

    Huh? So Black Lives Matter is the new founding myth that’s going to unite the country and help the US compete with China?

    There’s no doubt that blacks want a new black supremacist founding myth for the country that elevates them and forces everyone else to defer to them, and would then like to use the power of the US to promote black power and interests worldwide in non-black areas like China. The problem is that this Black Lives Matter black supremacist ideology is highly divisive and tends to push most whites away, and a black dominated US and Silicon Valley would quickly decline.

  98. @prime noticer
    what's the point of having a back and forth with africans, Steve?

    Steve is a man in his 60s who hasn't figured out that having a discussion with africans about anything other than sports maybe, is total waste of time.

    and, need i point out yet again, what's actually happening here. (who) owns NYT and (who) platforms the 1619 Project. just like (who) owns ESPN and (who) platforms The Undefeated.

    does Steve get that (you know who) platforms these people? and that's why they have a voice? and that there's no point to even responding to these people because he's talking to a babbling idiot?

    this isn't about facts or reason. this is about (you know who) giving a bullhorn to their shock troops. why waste any time responding. responding with facts and reason for 30 years has gotten nowhere.

    Replies: @Mitchell Porter, @Nicholas Stix

    At this point Black Lives Matter reminds me of the gay marriage movement, in the sense that most ‘institutions’ (including large businesses) have endorsed it. So I am trying to imagine what its ‘victory’ would look like. Blacks are only about one-seventh of American population. They are already massively promoted in American popular culture…

    Let me accept your premise that the prominence of BLM is due to the choices of Jewish owners of mass media. What are they thinking? It could be an expression of the post-Holocaust Jewish condition. For centuries Jews were treated as a religious outgroup, then they secularized, then they were treated as a racial outgroup. So in the latter era they have an incentive to promote a national identity that isn’t racial, either by diluting racial majorities, or by making the majority racial identity a negative thing.

    Apart from Jewish identity, with its racial/religious duality, black identity seems to be the strongest racial identity in modern America. So the overall situation has a demographic and a cultural aspect. Demographically, globalized immigration is changing America from white majority to something more heterogeneous, while culturally, black militance and white guilt work against development of affirmative white identity.

    This is a logically coherent picture, but I still only half believe it. What’s missing for me, is evidence that this is how things actually work. It’s often pointed out that white liberals and progressives are eager boosters of BLM. And if I look for the intellectual rationale of BLM (e.g. that there is a continuing ‘white supremacy’), I think of the part of postmodern ‘critical theory’ that’s about race.

    Maybe I’d look for a more nuanced explanation that combines critical race theory, Jewish media oligarchs, and post-Christian white liberalism… If I think about it further, I’m sure critical race theory has had a major impetus from the Holocaust, and that the decline of Christianity in the west is correlated with the rise in Jewish cultural power.

    So in the end it does make sense to me that the left-liberal embrace of black issues is a side effect of Jewish empowerment in the contemporary west. I hypothesize though, that from a Jewish perspective, it has not been a machiavellian plot to prevent ethnonationalism, driven by anti-white animus; but rather that it’s seen as a campaign for justice, driven by a belief in Jewish moral superiority.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Mitchell Porter


    ...but rather that it’s seen as a campaign for justice
     
    Seems like a rather perverted form of justice, considering it has no acknowledgement of Black dysfunction, or credit for the remediation white America has taken on their behalf.
    , @Whiskey
    @Mitchell Porter

    Overthinking it. Urbanite professionals with little property dream of expropriating the property of BadWhites. For racial justice, of course.

    That is literally all there is to Urbanite professional support of BLM. Jews are disproportionally professional urbanites with no real estate property.

    As Napoleon found out, give someone a small plot of land and they will fight and die to defend it. His land reforms powered the Grand Armee.

    Here the lack of property powers BLM's Jewish/White anti-fa trust fund component.

    , @Prester John
    @Mitchell Porter

    "They are already massively promoted in American popular culture…"

    Wonder though how much of the rest of America pays much attention to the endless whining and complaining. In so doing they call attention to themselves and promote only more hostility. I have never seen a so-called minority group engage in more self-stereotyping than blacks.

  99. @Dave Pinsen
    @Elli

    If Coates gets cancelled for that, that would be hilarious.

    Replies: @william munny

    Coates became an expert in Grant because he read his “memoir” in 2010:

    “It’s all just too much. I am a black man, and God only knows what Grant would have made of me in that time, or in this one. I asked myself that question so many times while reading that I made myself ill. I don’t care to ever hear it again. Grant is splendid to me, and I am sick of keeping score.”

  100. @fitzhamilton
    I wonder if the luminaries at the NYT had any comment on the vandalism of the monument to the Massachusetts 54th Colored Infantry near the statehouse in Boston on May 31st? BLM "protesters" desecrated the monument exactly 123 years to the date of its dedication in 1897.

    Col. Robert Gould Shaw and his negro regiment acquitted themselves with valor and heroism at the 2nd battle of Fort Wagner in Charleston harbor in 1863. The 54th lost about 3/4's of its men as casualties, including Col. Shaw and Lewis Douglass, son of Frederick Douglass. The first African American Medal of Honor recipient, William Carney, sergeant with the 54th, received it due to his actions that day in recovering and returning the unit's U.S. Flag to Union lines.

    Their assault - while valiant - was an utter failure, so it can't be said that the 54th's participation was in any way decisive. Fort Wagner later fell due to incessant naval bombardment, which forced Confederate forces to abandon it.

    The fact of their failure is beside the point, however. They were former slaves fighting courageously to overthrow chattel servitude. Defacing their monument was an odd choice, seeing as how it memorializes those very "Black soldiers [who] were as critical as anyone in winning the Civil War."

    Replies: @anon, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Mr. Anon, @bomag, @G. Poulin

    They would have left the statue alone if they’d been able to read the inscription.

    • LOL: Joseph Doaks
  101. @Abe
    A couple years ago some 2o-something black girl came up with the #OscarSoWhite hashtag and “changed the world”. 2020 with its Project 1619-inspired cancelling of the American people, TheShowMustBePaused entertainment blackout (again, all brainchilds of 20-30 year old-ish black girls) has taken this into hyperdrive. Like I said before this is actually a sign of racial progress, since there now seem to be an endless supply of young black women with the same outsized sense of self-importance and sh!t attitude as any blonde, richy-rich Alicia Silverstone-looking alpha bitch.

    Welcome to 2020, the year of the black mean girl (so powerful they can make a senior US Senator like Mitt Romney bow and scrape upon command).

    Replies: @Whiskey, @Redneck farmer, @Garlic

    How about using the hashtags #BLMSoWhite and #AntifaSoWhite anytime there’s a news picture showing a bunch of whites at a BLM/Antifa mainly peaceful protest?

  102. @Kronos
    @Reg Cæsar

    One of the funniest mockumentry films ever! Confederacy wins and takes over the entire US. Goes all the way up to 2004.

    Instead of a 1950s Red Scare it’s abolitionism.

    Instead of the Berlin Wall, it’s a giant wall across Canada to keep slaves escaping from the CSA.

    https://youtu.be/exnwTWfFRM8

    Replies: @syonredux, @Corn

    I’ve seen that movie. Falls into “so bad it’s good” territory imo.

  103. Kyle says:
    June 21, 2020 at 1:31 pm GMT • 100 Words   
    @vhrm
    @Dave Pinsen

    (shouldn't that be "see, he WAS racist"?)

    But exactly, this reminds me of the stuff Steve has written about African religions where people are always afraid Pepe have put curses on them.

    It's time to stop indulging these delusions about the n-word.

    (and again, i think the chance that that random middle aged looking milquetoast Macy's employee in Flint would use the n-word at work is about the same as the IFR for coronavirus...)

    Replies: @Kyle

    I disagree. I think it’s very possible that a white flintstonian used the n word. Have you ever been to flint? All the whites there either love blacks or hate them. And they’d all be likely to use the n word. The whites there are dull. It must be all the heavy metals in the tap water. I could see a dumb Macy’s employee shouting on the phone at work and using the n word totally unaware that there might be customers around him.

    • Thanks: vhrm
  104. @Jack D
    @unit472


    but no one had yet figured out how to use recoil or gas pressure to put the next round into the chamber of a firearm.
     
    True but the Gatling was capable of continuous fire (though you had to hand crank it) and it was used (a little) during the Civil War. Mainly it was used on rioters in NYC and strikers in Pittsburgh. You would think that it was wrong to use a machine gun on civilian crowds but you are wrong. The draft rioters were white ( mainly Irish) so it was OK, especially since they had attacked black people.

    Replies: @Corn, @Joe Stalin

    Aren’t gatling guns legal? I’ve read before that since they have a crank instead of a trigger they don’t meet the ATF’s definition of full-auto.

    Their ownership isn’t widespread granted, you’d need a generous ammo budget.

  105. This is what is so annoying about what should be salutary “Hidden Figures” style attempts to point to the accomplishments of people of color through history. It almost immediately becomes “We did that! Y’all stole it! Y’all think y’all saviors!”

  106. @Anon
    "Baptisms, miracles taking place in revival at site where George Floyd died, Christian groups say."

    https://www.christianpost.com/news/baptisms-miracles-taking-place-in-revival-at-site-where-george-floyd-died-christian-groups-says.html

    People need to STOP this embarrassing, juvenile crap.

    ---

    Who knew massage therapists could be so dangerous?

    https://www.inquirer.com/news/philly-protests-fbi-lore-elisabeth-blumenthal-arrests-prosecution-george-floyd-20200619.html

    Every Millennial protester is going to regret getting those tattoos. They're being used by the cops for identification purposes.

    Replies: @Morton's toes

    The inquirer has good photos. Blumenthal did an excellent number on those police cars. I wonder what her molotov cocktail instruction sheet was. A lot of times the molotov tossers get a fizzle.

  107. @syonredux
    @Kronos


    Instead of the Berlin Wall, it’s a giant wall across Canada to keep slaves escaping from the CSA.
     
    The funniest part is the bit where the documentary says that Canada, thanks to all those runaway slaves, turns into a scientific powerhouse....

    Replies: @Kronos

    What about the olympics turning into a de facto slave sport?

  108. Blacks in the 1860s were able to defeat the Confederate army. Blacks today can’t handle micro-aggresions in the workplace without calling HR.

  109. Kronos says:
    June 21, 2020 at 2:29 pm GMT • 100 Words   
    @Jack D
    @Kronos

    When a group of abolitionists approached Lincoln and charged Gen. Grant with drinking too much liquor and asked for his removal, Lincoln asked them if they knew what brand of whiskey Grant drank. No, they replied, why do you ask? Lincoln replied that if he knew which brand it was he would send a barrel of it to all the other Union commanders so they could succeed like Grant.

    Replies: @Kronos

    True, the worst General-President relationship was between Lincoln and George B. McClellan.

    The Confederate capital in Richmond was only ever 60 miles away from D.C. McClellan was apparently great at organizing/training but for some reason was never a offensive general. The war may have been won much earlier if he attacked within days the Civil War.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Kronos

    Richmond is more like 100 miles from DC and you have to cross the Rappahanock near Fredericksburg to get there. The Union did try to attack up the James River but it is only navigable so far.

    Lincoln asked McClellan if he could borrow the army if McC wasn't going to use it, so I agree with you that MCC could have done more. That said, it was never going to be an easy campaign. The Anaconda strategy won the war.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    , @Jack D
    @Kronos

    The flipside is that the Confederate lines were within a few miles of the Union capital. Washington was in danger of being overrun for almost the entire war and the Battle of Fort Stevens in 1864 took place within the boundaries of the city. There was a steamer waiting on the Potomac to evacuate Lincoln if the situation became dire.

    , @snorlax
    @Kronos

    Capturing Richmond would not have ended the war. It was capturing Lee's Army of Northern Virginia that was decisive. By 1865 those two goals were effectively synonymous, but they weren't yet in 1861.

    , @Prof. Woland
    @Kronos

    Lee is always associated as being on offense like Napoleon or Hitler. But he was originally with the Army Corp. of Engineers and new quite well how to build defensive structures including roads. Virginia had the central lines of Communication allowed Lee to shift his army towards wherever the threat was coming from and march them to the defensive terrain first. Opposing soldiers dreaded fighting Lee because they knew that if the Rebels had one day in advance to prepare they were at a disadvantage. If he had two or three days it was ugly. Lee's soldiers knew how to dig in and they did not rest up until their fortifications were secure.

    , @Prester John
    @Kronos

    I have heard stories that McClellan was a closet reb sympathizer. Not sure I buy this though. From what I've read, as a field general/tactician he was utterly useless.

    Replies: @Kronos

    , @Sean
    @Kronos

    If had not been for John Brown, the militias that coalesced into the Confederate army would not have existed, so there could have been no rebellion. There was, of course no chance of the South winning that war, none at all, but from a white supremacist view the Southern lifestyle of impregnating black 'wenches' continuing would have turned the entire country into lineal descendants of the Queen of Sheba. Like Jeff Davis's wife.

    https://i1.wp.com/blackmansstreet.today/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/vanna-howell-davis2-1-e1459300012637.jpg?w=491&ssl=1

    Despite being totally lacking in the basics of a military education or relevant experience, Lincoln appointed himself General in Chief, thus taking away command of the Western theatre from McClennan. Lincoln then further split the Western command, and then the Eastern gutting McClellan's Army Of the Potomac. Moreover, Lincoln had recruitment to the Northern armies halted; meanwhile the Confederates had introduced a draft. As far as is known, Grant did not see McClellan's plan for a coordinated attack on the South, but Grant's plan for winning the war bore a very close resemblance to McClellan's, which when he was able to put the Eastern part of it into operation came very close to total success.

    Replies: @Kronos, @68W58, @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous

    , @Steve in Greensboro
    @Kronos

    Another example of McClellan's incompetence was his failed attempt to find a pass through the Cascades. He did get a geographic feature named after him -- McClellan Butte.


    ...General George B McClellan visited this area in 1853 surveying (unsuccessfully) for a route for rail lines to pass through the Cascades. He chose the never-used Yakima Pass. The more popular route was Snoqualmie Pass, home now to the major interstate highway you used to get to the trailhead...
     
    .

    https://www.gaiagps.com/hike/234420/mcclellan-butte/

  110. I wonder if black churches are going to stop singing Amazing Grace, since the hymn was written by a “white savior” abolitionist.

    • Replies: @mc86
    @Clement Pulaski

    Who was a slave trader before he found God,

  111. Art Deco says:
    June 21, 2020 at 2:31 pm GMT • 200 Words   

    This woman is inconsequential, and if the ordinary standards and practices which apply to ordinary people had been in effect, she’d have attended a state school in Iowa and be working as a schoolteacher or local reporter there. You’ve heard of her because she’s the pampered pet of the shallow and silly man who has inherited the publisher’s chair at The New York Times.

    Some curios about her family history. She’s one of three daughters. The three daughters to date have between them been appended to five men who were either husbands or baby-daddies. With these five men, they’ve borne five children, all daughters (one died at birth). Three of the four surviving are the children of the oldest daughter, who is apparently no longer appended to the fathers of her children nor to the older man she married subsequently. The youngest daughter was a childless divorcee employed by the state corrections department; she was declared disabled at some point and died at the age of 34. The patriarch of this brood was a transit authority employee who was evidently also adjudicated disabled and died at the age of 62. Amiable photos of the matriarch can be found online; she’s risking a nasty case of adult-onset diabetes if it hasn’t hit her already. All four granddaughters have hideous given names, compounded in one case with an ugly double-barreled surname. Evidently, the surviving sister lives in Cedar Rapids and the rest of the family around Waterloo.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco


    This woman is inconsequential,.........
     
    No, she is not. She now is consequential. People are spray-painting her slogans on statues and walls. Are they spray-paining anything you've ever written on a statue of George Washington? She has been made consequential by virtue of a major media outlet giving her a soap-box. When will idiots like you realize this? You have gone on at great length in the past about how this or that academic or pundit is unimportant because they are just academics or pundits. Where do you think the madness we now find ourselves comes from? It came about because "inconsequential" people brainwashed two or three generations of students from their sinecures in academia or shaped public opinion from their perches in the media.

    Useless cucks like you understand nothing, learn nothing, and are worth nothing. Just go away and shuffle your filing cards you idiot. You are irrelevant to anything that's happening in this country today.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Art Deco

    , @Prester John
    @Art Deco

    What is this crowd doing in Iowa? Thought Iowa was "Mid-America". You know...Flyover Country...guys wearing overalls riding tractors...two lane roads straight as an arrow for 50 miles through endless cornfields with signs advertising Burma Shave and Red Man chawin' tabacky. Am now permanently bummed.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  112. @Colin Wright
    @Anonymous

    'Israel does show what can be done in the modern era if there are problematic people within your country.'

    Please don't conflate Israel with societies composed of decent human beings.

    Replies: @Gordo, @Reg Cæsar

    Its maybe a bit late for decency.

    We appear to be decenting ourselves to death.

    • Agree: snorlax
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Gordo

    'Its maybe a bit late for decency.

    We appear to be decenting ourselves to death.'

    You may well be right. However, none of that serves to justify the abomination that calls itself 'Israel.'

    Replies: @Art Deco

  113. @Lugash
    I've always wanted Jay Leno man on the street interviews of Blacks asking when the Civil War occurred. My guess is most of them couldn't get the right decade.

    Replies: @Peterike, @Anonymous, @Escher, @snorlax, @Harold, @NOTA, @Kratoklastes, @S. Anonyia

    Most people under 30 wouldn’t guess the right decade.

    I used to teach World History along with Creative Writing and Social Studies electives….and what I found, most baffling, throughout the 6 years of it I could stomach- was that students had NO conception of time.

    Like the the Renaissance, the French Revolution, the Civil War, WWI- everything in
    “black and white” seemed the same.

    They also had a very U.S centric view of the world and believed all slaves everywhere throughout history were black. And were constantly confused when I didn’t point out who the “bad guys” and “good guys” were.

    Can we retire the whole right side of history thing, forever? Bring back NUANCE. Unfortunately that perception of history has its roots in the whole “shining in a hill” American exceptionalism BS- only now its been twisted to fit a liberal narrative instead, on steroids- Irony!

    • Agree: vhrm
    • Replies: @anon
    @S. Anonyia

    I grew up in Arkansas and every child and teenager was aware of the Civil War, WWI, and WWII.
    We discussed these wars in and out of class.
    Of my small town public high school class, 100% of the males can tell you who the sides were and who won, and more or less get the dates right.
    They also know who were the good guys (Confederates) and the bad guys (Yankees).
    Almost all of us had uncles or fathers who fought in WWII.

  114. @vhrm
    Here's another expert.
    Supposedly a Macy's employee used the n-word at work in Flint Michigan. (riiiight....)

    And an indignant expert gentleman pummeled him for it. And the expert gentleman's rapper friend filmed it and posted it on Twitter expecting... adulation?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8443775/Rapper-filmed-brother-beating-white-Macys-employee-insists-heard-man-call-n-word.html

    These are the people we share our country with...
    and this is what happens when you indulge their insane false narrative of the world.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @International Jew

    Let me guess: the employee was fired, and his assailant was released without bail?

    • Replies: @snorlax
    @International Jew

    Macy's to its credit is standing by its employee (for now anyway), while the Flint police claim not to know who the assailant is, even though he posted the video to his own Facebook page.

    Replies: @Mr. Grey

  115. You know, slavery does still exist in the United States.

    The relationship between a pimp and his whores is clearly that of a master and his slaves.

    Some quite prominent U.S. Citizens, e.g., Miles Davis, have claimed to have made a living as a pimp.

  116. @Jack D
    @unit472


    but no one had yet figured out how to use recoil or gas pressure to put the next round into the chamber of a firearm.
     
    True but the Gatling was capable of continuous fire (though you had to hand crank it) and it was used (a little) during the Civil War. Mainly it was used on rioters in NYC and strikers in Pittsburgh. You would think that it was wrong to use a machine gun on civilian crowds but you are wrong. The draft rioters were white ( mainly Irish) so it was OK, especially since they had attacked black people.

    Replies: @Corn, @Joe Stalin

    White people had machine guns even then before the Gatling gun.

    Modern version

  117. @Kronos
    @Jack D

    True, the worst General-President relationship was between Lincoln and George B. McClellan.

    The Confederate capital in Richmond was only ever 60 miles away from D.C. McClellan was apparently great at organizing/training but for some reason was never a offensive general. The war may have been won much earlier if he attacked within days the Civil War.

    http://gfvac.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/richmond-va-map.png

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Jack D, @snorlax, @Prof. Woland, @Prester John, @Sean, @Steve in Greensboro

    Richmond is more like 100 miles from DC and you have to cross the Rappahanock near Fredericksburg to get there. The Union did try to attack up the James River but it is only navigable so far.

    Lincoln asked McClellan if he could borrow the army if McC wasn’t going to use it, so I agree with you that MCC could have done more. That said, it was never going to be an easy campaign. The Anaconda strategy won the war.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Jim Don Bob

    Fredericksburg (where Mom and Dad had an apartment while Dad was at Quantico) is about halfway between DC and Richmond, and Quantico (where Dad went through OCS and The Basic School) is about halfway between DC and Fredeicksburg. The amphibious operation you mention presaged D-Day, Inchon, and others, but, as you point out, it was very badly executed by a weak commander. I agree about Anaconda; the Naval superiority of the Union was unquestionable; military, not so much until near the end of the war. The area around Quantico is now suburban, not sure about Fredericksburg but I think it is at least an exurb of DC.

    Replies: @William Badwhite

  118. @Mitchell Porter
    @prime noticer

    At this point Black Lives Matter reminds me of the gay marriage movement, in the sense that most 'institutions' (including large businesses) have endorsed it. So I am trying to imagine what its 'victory' would look like. Blacks are only about one-seventh of American population. They are already massively promoted in American popular culture...

    Let me accept your premise that the prominence of BLM is due to the choices of Jewish owners of mass media. What are they thinking? It could be an expression of the post-Holocaust Jewish condition. For centuries Jews were treated as a religious outgroup, then they secularized, then they were treated as a racial outgroup. So in the latter era they have an incentive to promote a national identity that isn't racial, either by diluting racial majorities, or by making the majority racial identity a negative thing.

    Apart from Jewish identity, with its racial/religious duality, black identity seems to be the strongest racial identity in modern America. So the overall situation has a demographic and a cultural aspect. Demographically, globalized immigration is changing America from white majority to something more heterogeneous, while culturally, black militance and white guilt work against development of affirmative white identity.

    This is a logically coherent picture, but I still only half believe it. What's missing for me, is evidence that this is how things actually work. It's often pointed out that white liberals and progressives are eager boosters of BLM. And if I look for the intellectual rationale of BLM (e.g. that there is a continuing 'white supremacy'), I think of the part of postmodern 'critical theory' that's about race.

    Maybe I'd look for a more nuanced explanation that combines critical race theory, Jewish media oligarchs, and post-Christian white liberalism... If I think about it further, I'm sure critical race theory has had a major impetus from the Holocaust, and that the decline of Christianity in the west is correlated with the rise in Jewish cultural power.

    So in the end it does make sense to me that the left-liberal embrace of black issues is a side effect of Jewish empowerment in the contemporary west. I hypothesize though, that from a Jewish perspective, it has not been a machiavellian plot to prevent ethnonationalism, driven by anti-white animus; but rather that it's seen as a campaign for justice, driven by a belief in Jewish moral superiority.

    Replies: @bomag, @Whiskey, @Prester John

    …but rather that it’s seen as a campaign for justice

    Seems like a rather perverted form of justice, considering it has no acknowledgement of Black dysfunction, or credit for the remediation white America has taken on their behalf.

  119. Jack D says:
    June 21, 2020 at 3:56 pm GMT • 100 Words   
    @Kronos
    @Jack D

    True, the worst General-President relationship was between Lincoln and George B. McClellan.

    The Confederate capital in Richmond was only ever 60 miles away from D.C. McClellan was apparently great at organizing/training but for some reason was never a offensive general. The war may have been won much earlier if he attacked within days the Civil War.

    http://gfvac.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/richmond-va-map.png

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Jack D, @snorlax, @Prof. Woland, @Prester John, @Sean, @Steve in Greensboro

    The flipside is that the Confederate lines were within a few miles of the Union capital. Washington was in danger of being overrun for almost the entire war and the Battle of Fort Stevens in 1864 took place within the boundaries of the city. There was a steamer waiting on the Potomac to evacuate Lincoln if the situation became dire.

  120. Ida Bae Wells kind of looks like Pennywise the clown from It.

  121. @donut
    @donut

    Qui tacet consentire videtur, ubi loqui debuit ac potuit . Having passed my comment/challenge with out comment I will take your silence as consent and assume you have accepted the challenge . I will send a check to which ever third party you chose to hold it until you have fulfilled the conditions of the challenge .

    Replies: @William Badwhite

    and then my Commenters to Ignore grew by one

    • Replies: @donut
    @William Badwhite

    Yeah , you go ahead and put me on you ignore list William Goodwhite .

  122. @Kronos
    @Jack D

    True, the worst General-President relationship was between Lincoln and George B. McClellan.

    The Confederate capital in Richmond was only ever 60 miles away from D.C. McClellan was apparently great at organizing/training but for some reason was never a offensive general. The war may have been won much earlier if he attacked within days the Civil War.

    http://gfvac.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/richmond-va-map.png

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Jack D, @snorlax, @Prof. Woland, @Prester John, @Sean, @Steve in Greensboro

    Capturing Richmond would not have ended the war. It was capturing Lee’s Army of Northern Virginia that was decisive. By 1865 those two goals were effectively synonymous, but they weren’t yet in 1861.

  123. @International Jew
    @vhrm

    Let me guess: the employee was fired, and his assailant was released without bail?

    Replies: @snorlax

    Macy’s to its credit is standing by its employee (for now anyway), while the Flint police claim not to know who the assailant is, even though he posted the video to his own Facebook page.

    • Replies: @Mr. Grey
    @snorlax


    the Flint police claim not to know who the assailant is
     
    From what we hear in the news all the time now, he's obviously a runaway slave.
  124. If I had a time machine, I’d go back and let Hitler into art school.

    • LOL: Hibernian
  125. snorlax says:
    June 21, 2020 at 4:33 pm GMT • 100 Words   
    @Jack D
    @syonredux


    Even when speaking of the Lumbee, he ignores that this is a tribe heavily mixed with black, which is why it has failed to get federal recognition.
     
    Modern genetic testing shows that the Lumbee are about as Indian as Liz Warren. They are just mulattoes that back in the day decided that it was better to claim to be Indian than black. Boy were they wrong - they should have stuck with black and they could have had the first Lumbee President.

    Replies: @snorlax

    They are just mulattoes that back in the day decided that it was better to claim to be Indian than black. Boy were they wrong – they should have stuck with black

    Dunno, the “Mashantucket Pequot” did the same thing and ended up casino millionaires.

    An unsayable, yet extremely interesting hatefact is that just about anyone outside the Upper Midwest and Alaska who claims to be Indian both appears and is revealed by genetic testing to have minimal to no Indian ancestry. They are rather the descendants of 19th century LARPers.

  126. Anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:
    June 21, 2020 at 4:48 pm GMT • 100 Words   
    @unit472
    30 years ago some 'What If" writer ( Harry Turtledove?) wrote a book in which some South Africans invented a time machine to secure their countries future and went back in time and supplied automatic weapons to Robert E. Lee. Gettysburg turned out entirely different and Lee destroyed the Union Army. Didn't really need a time machine I suppose, just Hiram Maxim being born in Atlanta or Richmond 25 years earlier. Machineguns were technically possible in 1863 but no one had yet figured out how to use recoil or gas pressure to put the next round into the chamber of a firearm.

    The one thing that history does teach us is that the negro mind has not yet made that technical innovation that proves decisive on the battlefield. They are just cannon fodder when armies clash.

    ‘Whatever happens, we have got, the Maxim, and they have not’

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Kronos, @Jack D, @Anonymous, @Mokiki

    30 years ago some ‘What If” writer ( Harry Turtledove?) wrote a book in which some South Africans invented a time machine to secure their countries future and went back in time and supplied automatic weapons to Robert E. Lee.

    I believe you are alluding to The Guns of the South by Harry Turtledove (1993).

  127. @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Wilkey

    Wrong.

    Any intelligent person with a time machine goes back to liquidate all our fellow white people in the slave trade before they can import any negroes to the North American continent.

    Replies: @Known Fact

    You’d need to bring along the specs for mechanized farm equipment

  128. I could see how this current meltdown could take a very nasty turn. Blacks do not have any monuments or businesses worth tearing down which protects them from cancel culture in part. But they tend to be over invested in black public figures who would be ripe for ridicule or taking down. Currently they are off limits with the MSM and big tech policing detractors. What I think we are seeing in part with BLM is an attempt to inoculate blacks from open criticism in any way. They are becoming powerful enough within the Democratic party that they cannot just be dismissed as pets that piss on the nation’s carpet.

    We are likely to see a black female vice-president candidate shortly who will not automatically receive the same kid gloves treatment Obama did which will be devastating to the thin-skinned blacks that reflexively support their brothers and sisters. The only way the Democrats can win will be a bruised knuckle fight that if they do win, will leave approximately half the country openly mocking her. There will be no automatic respect something blacks crave and need only now it will be whites tearing them down just not with Molotov cocktails and bricks. They will be in the mosh pit with everyone else.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Prof. Woland

    It protects them from cancel culture. Doesn't protect their businesses from being trashed by rioters.

    , @no jack london
    @Prof. Woland

    After slow Joe pulls his William Henry Harrison act, we will see a black female president.

    Replies: @Prof. Woland

  129. @Kronos
    @Jack D

    True, the worst General-President relationship was between Lincoln and George B. McClellan.

    The Confederate capital in Richmond was only ever 60 miles away from D.C. McClellan was apparently great at organizing/training but for some reason was never a offensive general. The war may have been won much earlier if he attacked within days the Civil War.

    http://gfvac.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/richmond-va-map.png

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Jack D, @snorlax, @Prof. Woland, @Prester John, @Sean, @Steve in Greensboro

    Lee is always associated as being on offense like Napoleon or Hitler. But he was originally with the Army Corp. of Engineers and new quite well how to build defensive structures including roads. Virginia had the central lines of Communication allowed Lee to shift his army towards wherever the threat was coming from and march them to the defensive terrain first. Opposing soldiers dreaded fighting Lee because they knew that if the Rebels had one day in advance to prepare they were at a disadvantage. If he had two or three days it was ugly. Lee’s soldiers knew how to dig in and they did not rest up until their fortifications were secure.

  130. Whiskey says: • Website
    June 21, 2020 at 5:10 pm GMT • 200 Words   
    @NJ Transit Commuter
    Curious to hear from others who know history better than I do:
    Has there ever been a more nihilistic protest / political movement than BLM? What’s the goal? What’s the end state? Destroy American culture and expose its hypocrisy and then what?

    The wanton violence of communism and it’s movements (like the Cultural Revolution) had an end game of a communist society in mind. The 60s protests were centered on civil rights and an end to US fighting in Vietnam. I guess the closest is the late 19th century Anarchist movement?

    Replies: @syonredux, @The Wild Geese Howard, @RichardTaylor, @Whiskey, @Ragno, @New Dealer, @TomSchmidt

    The Goal of BLM is to make black people everywhere the masters of White people. And others, but principally White ones.

    It is nothing more and less than black Domination of other races. ONLY black Lives matter, not any others. And all other races must grovel and kneel, wash their feet, and abase themselves before their masters. Who may assault violently, kill, rob, do whatever. Without the police or legal system interfering in the least.

    This movement is very, very popular. With White women. With White men, not so much. They don’t get the BDSM thrills White women get from crawling around in bondage gear.

    But that’s pretty much it. BLM has totally destroyed Trump, he can’t even get a crowd in Tulsa OK. The place was 2/3 empty. Biden despite being technically, dead, is on a par to win all 50 states and install either Susan Rice or the Beast from 20,000 fathoms as the real President.

    Rice has said that Trump (White) supporters belong on the Trash Heap of history, so draw your own conclusions there.

    Expect to pay the Whitey tax every year and get down and grovel when you meet a black person.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Whiskey

    The stadium was empty because people are reluctant to get corona in order to own the libs. Even your beloved "dirt people" are mostly not that dumb. I've actually composed a national anthem for Dirtistan, sung to the tune of the Trizonesian Song:

    We're the natives of Dirtistan!
    Born in trailer parks!
    We grew up without fathers.
    Think we're fighting Karl Marx!

    Don't know math, science, or history.
    We're idiots.
    And we're proud of it.
    But we comment on any subject.
    Cause we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know!

    Half of us are obese.
    But we think we're very very very very tough.
    We make fun of soyboys.
    Hope they never call our bluff!

    We believe in traddy values.
    Jesus saves us.
    Oh please save us.
    Our women act like whores.
    And our men fight the Jewish wars!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqYSd4h3X-8

  131. Whiskey says: • Website
    June 21, 2020 at 5:19 pm GMT • 100 Words   
    @Mitchell Porter
    @prime noticer

    At this point Black Lives Matter reminds me of the gay marriage movement, in the sense that most 'institutions' (including large businesses) have endorsed it. So I am trying to imagine what its 'victory' would look like. Blacks are only about one-seventh of American population. They are already massively promoted in American popular culture...

    Let me accept your premise that the prominence of BLM is due to the choices of Jewish owners of mass media. What are they thinking? It could be an expression of the post-Holocaust Jewish condition. For centuries Jews were treated as a religious outgroup, then they secularized, then they were treated as a racial outgroup. So in the latter era they have an incentive to promote a national identity that isn't racial, either by diluting racial majorities, or by making the majority racial identity a negative thing.

    Apart from Jewish identity, with its racial/religious duality, black identity seems to be the strongest racial identity in modern America. So the overall situation has a demographic and a cultural aspect. Demographically, globalized immigration is changing America from white majority to something more heterogeneous, while culturally, black militance and white guilt work against development of affirmative white identity.

    This is a logically coherent picture, but I still only half believe it. What's missing for me, is evidence that this is how things actually work. It's often pointed out that white liberals and progressives are eager boosters of BLM. And if I look for the intellectual rationale of BLM (e.g. that there is a continuing 'white supremacy'), I think of the part of postmodern 'critical theory' that's about race.

    Maybe I'd look for a more nuanced explanation that combines critical race theory, Jewish media oligarchs, and post-Christian white liberalism... If I think about it further, I'm sure critical race theory has had a major impetus from the Holocaust, and that the decline of Christianity in the west is correlated with the rise in Jewish cultural power.

    So in the end it does make sense to me that the left-liberal embrace of black issues is a side effect of Jewish empowerment in the contemporary west. I hypothesize though, that from a Jewish perspective, it has not been a machiavellian plot to prevent ethnonationalism, driven by anti-white animus; but rather that it's seen as a campaign for justice, driven by a belief in Jewish moral superiority.

    Replies: @bomag, @Whiskey, @Prester John

    Overthinking it. Urbanite professionals with little property dream of expropriating the property of BadWhites. For racial justice, of course.

    That is literally all there is to Urbanite professional support of BLM. Jews are disproportionally professional urbanites with no real estate property.

    As Napoleon found out, give someone a small plot of land and they will fight and die to defend it. His land reforms powered the Grand Armee.

    Here the lack of property powers BLM’s Jewish/White anti-fa trust fund component.

  132. Ragno says:
    June 21, 2020 at 5:29 pm GMT • 100 Words   
    @NJ Transit Commuter
    Curious to hear from others who know history better than I do:
    Has there ever been a more nihilistic protest / political movement than BLM? What’s the goal? What’s the end state? Destroy American culture and expose its hypocrisy and then what?

    The wanton violence of communism and it’s movements (like the Cultural Revolution) had an end game of a communist society in mind. The 60s protests were centered on civil rights and an end to US fighting in Vietnam. I guess the closest is the late 19th century Anarchist movement?

    Replies: @syonredux, @The Wild Geese Howard, @RichardTaylor, @Whiskey, @Ragno, @New Dealer, @TomSchmidt

    It’s important to understand that the Cultural Revolution playbook has now been jettisoned. The CCP gameplan has now been replaced by that of the ANC.

    What’s the goal? What’s the end state?

    The ongoing Truth & Reconciliation Hearings are just the hors d’ouevre. The main course here is the, cough, “land reform program”.

    And don’t kid yourself that Obama wasn’t setting the groundwork for this. Besides defanging any Trump-like populism movement ahead of time by restocking the Petty Officials pantry with sotto-voce hammer ‘n’ sickle types, he prepared for Land Reform with a little fuck-you parting gift to white America called the Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing Act (AFFH).

    If you don’t know about it yet? You will, brother. Look it up if you dare – but keep the digitalis within arm’s reach.

  133. Mr. Grey says:
    June 21, 2020 at 5:38 pm GMT • 100 Words   
    @Cloudbuster
    Lest I take any risk of being a White savior, I vow to never help any Black ever, in any way.

    Replies: @Mr. Grey

    But you can’t win against the Hustle. What you say makes sense, but then you are being racist for not fighting against racism. If you speak out you are abusing your white privilege, but if you are silent you are racist cuz its your job to educate other white ppl.

  134. @snorlax
    @International Jew

    Macy's to its credit is standing by its employee (for now anyway), while the Flint police claim not to know who the assailant is, even though he posted the video to his own Facebook page.

    Replies: @Mr. Grey

    the Flint police claim not to know who the assailant is

    From what we hear in the news all the time now, he’s obviously a runaway slave.

  135. Ragno says:
    June 21, 2020 at 5:49 pm GMT • 200 Words   

    Steve, have you tried asking n hannah jones on twitter how, if slavery made america a success, are places like australia, new zealand and canada so similar in economic success to the united states?

    This nonsense really needs to stop now. It was bad enough when they were handing out those Xeroxed fairy tales every Christmas at school about how the world around Jamaal simply vanished to help illustrate the principle “black people invented dat!” The only reason you don’t see those smudgy offsets any longer is most of their authors now sit on the Times board. (And I wonder how triggered Sarah Jeong is these days now that 1619 has pushed her and her squeaky-wheel grievances right off the table.)

    It got worse when they had Hollywood pump out fairy tales about how three maids figured out solid fuel rocket boosters in time to land Whitey on the moon. (I’m trying to picture complex mathematical formulae scribbled on a KFC box, but all I’m coming up with is “uncontrollable giggling fit”.)

    But this “blacks built America, period” gibberish has to stop. The South LOST BECAUSE OF SLAVERY. Trying to defeat an industrialized nation still unencumbered by useless blacks with a slave-based agricultural economy was like pitting First World nation vs Third.

    Simply put – whoever has the most blacks, loses. And that goes double – triple! – for whoever has the most socially-promoted blacks.

  136. @prime noticer
    what's the point of having a back and forth with africans, Steve?

    Steve is a man in his 60s who hasn't figured out that having a discussion with africans about anything other than sports maybe, is total waste of time.

    and, need i point out yet again, what's actually happening here. (who) owns NYT and (who) platforms the 1619 Project. just like (who) owns ESPN and (who) platforms The Undefeated.

    does Steve get that (you know who) platforms these people? and that's why they have a voice? and that there's no point to even responding to these people because he's talking to a babbling idiot?

    this isn't about facts or reason. this is about (you know who) giving a bullhorn to their shock troops. why waste any time responding. responding with facts and reason for 30 years has gotten nowhere.

    Replies: @Mitchell Porter, @Nicholas Stix

    Apparently, you haven’t noticed that Jews haven’t owned the New York Times since 1992. Noticing isn’t your strength. You are in danger of being sued for impersonation of a noticer.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Nicholas Stix

    Didn't the Sulzberger family, or at least someone in the family, keep some percentage of NYT through the Carlos slim era?

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Nicholas Stix

  137. vhrm says:
    June 21, 2020 at 6:12 pm GMT • 100 Words   
    @Dave Pinsen
    @vhrm

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1274529043073970177?s=21

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Whiskey, @vhrm, @vhrm

    a twitter tech usage question, if someone has a minute:

    In the responses to David’s tweet someone, maybe him,retweets this:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/NicoleArbour/status/1274134532871131137
    in a way that is easily followable.

    I don’t know who she is but the video isn’t hers it’s “f rom Andrew Neil”… but THAT is just a link to Neil’s profile, not a link to his post. So basically i can’t get back to the source of the video and it becomes just a piece of flamebait.

    What’s the story behind this technique? is there some technical reason here I’m not aware of or are people like this Nicole chick just trying to hog attention at the expense of polluting the information space?

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @vhrm

    If you scroll down Andrew Neil’s timeline, you get his original tweet of the video, but it offers no additional information. It may even be an old video. It’s not as if this is a new phenomenon.

    https://twitter.com/andrewneill91/status/1274095038692298757?s=21

  138. @vhrm
    @Dave Pinsen

    a twitter tech usage question, if someone has a minute:

    In the responses to David's tweet someone, maybe him,retweets this:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/NicoleArbour/status/1274134532871131137
    in a way that is easily followable.

    I don't know who she is but the video isn't hers it's "f rom Andrew Neil"... but THAT is just a link to Neil's profile, not a link to his post. So basically i can't get back to the source of the video and it becomes just a piece of flamebait.

    What's the story behind this technique? is there some technical reason here I'm not aware of or are people like this Nicole chick just trying to hog attention at the expense of polluting the information space?

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    If you scroll down Andrew Neil’s timeline, you get his original tweet of the video, but it offers no additional information. It may even be an old video. It’s not as if this is a new phenomenon.

  139. Anonymous[319] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m very interested in Mr. Kendi’s logic. Blacks didn’t need any help from whites to win the Civil War? So… what took them so long to get started on it (The Blacks)? 1865 minus 1619 is more than, like, a few years by my math.

  140. anon[399] • Disclaimer says:
    June 21, 2020 at 7:12 pm GMT • 200 Words   

    The Confederate capital in Richmond was only ever 60 miles away from D.C. McClellan was apparently great at organizing/training but for some reason was never a offensive general.

    Well, he saw what happened to McDowell’s command 25 miles out of town.

    https://infogalactic.com/info/First_Battle_of_Bull_Run

    Then Mac came up with his own plan, and it was pretty good.

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Peninsula_Campaign

    But the plan wasn’t executed very effectively.

    As Jack mentioned, there was a serious effort to enter Washington in 1864, although it was at least partly intended to draw Union army troops away from the siege of Richmond.

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Battle_of_Fort_Stevens

    Much blood was spilled in a relatively small (by American standards) area in Virginia and Maryland, but the real doom for the Confederacy was sealed elsewhere. The direct approach failed, while the indirect approach succeeded.

    I wonder if the WokeMob will be tearing down any statues of Willam T. Sherman out of sheer ignorance…or pure ingratitude?

    • Replies: @Prof. Woland
    @anon

    Here is a Masterstroke idea. Since they don't or won't teach white history in public schools, someone needs to develop an actual age appropriate courses (for credit or not) for grade school kids that parents can use for homeschooling. Due to the Covid the big topic right now in California is whether or not kids will go back to school next year or if the do for only two days a week on a split schedule. This has left many parents unsure of what to do. Many parents will need to stop working to say at home with their children and if they do they are de facto tutoring or homeschooling the kids even if not officially. Many kids are taking zoom classes ad nauseam right now. It would be very easy and inexpensive to do and nobody could stop it.

    Since online teaching is the wave of the future, introduce age appropriate classes explicitly on white history and culture that parents can selectively teach to their children. It completely cuts out the public school teachers who would dilute or sabotage any such courses taught at school and it would be beyond the reach of the BLM / multicultural types who will insist on only teaching how whites are evil and blacks victims and angels. Better yet, it would put pressure on the public school system to check their worst anti-white rhetoric knowing that parents would have access to a library of quality educational tools that would be better than anything they can produce.

  141. I am trying to think of the end state of the current insanity, the Animal Farm movement.

    One possibility, though it may be too optimistic, is that crime and homicide rates will simply rise to their previous peaks reached in 1990-92.

    Well, I remember those days. If you lived in a white or generally middle-class neighborhood in New York City or Washington, DC, and you were reasonably careful, you were in no danger. All the slaughter was going on in the black neighborhoods or their fringes.

  142. icono1 says:
    June 21, 2020 at 7:21 pm GMT • 300 Words   

    Not that it matters to current black aspirations on US politics, social restructuring, and revenge seeking against white American culture.

    Grant. A short look at what he accomplished to help ‘free the slaves’.

    ( The following is by no means an in depth or complete analysis of that period in history or of the person’s involved. However it is a simplified version that meets the requirements of black and white education in US public schools, and even then, the following may prove to be too burdensome to read and comprehend by members of the said target audience.)

    Grant was the only Union General willing to keep the pressure on Gen. Lee (The Wilderness Campaign that was sanctioned and backed by Lincoln because he needed a battle field win so he could ‘win’ the White House again) and force him to surrender at Appomattox. Also with Sherman and his bummers taking Atlanta, Lee’s army was driven to levels of privation that even Lee was seriously concerned about. So the surrender of Lee marked the end of hostilities in the east. Which in effect ended the ever present threat the Army of Northern Virginia presented to capturing Washington DC or the threat of the Union citizens becoming tired of the high Union causalities at the hand of Lee’s army and forcing Lincoln to sue for peace thereby legitimizing the Southern States of American and it’s ingrained slavery culture that was put in place by the English Crown at the time of their formation of territories in northern and southern America during the colonization process in the late 1600’s and early 1700’s Something England, France, and Spain were waiting to happen so they could form a trading business with the new Southern States of America and send their soldiers ‘back’ into the American Mid West to defend their ‘business interests. Thereby ‘claiming those territories in the name of their Kings and Queens.

  143. @Sean
    In 2018 the Southern Poverty Law Center found that few American high-school students know that slavery was the cause of the Civil War. Grant's myth was tied up with obscuring slavery as a cause, and replacing it with preservation of the Union as real reason the Civil War had to be fought, although John S. Mosby said he never knew of any cause but slavery.

    Yet if the Confederacy had withdrawn from the Union because Southern whites insisted there should be mandatory freeing of slaves and reparations to born free Blacks for their ancestors' enslavement, integrated schools, affirmative action, and encouraging of intermarriage of white women with black men, then the North would still have attacked and conquered the South and stopped it leaving. The main tenet of foreign policy is for a state to dominate its own region: a Confederate state if left alone would form alliances with European powers, which the US could not allow.

    Having established the Monroe Doctrine, the goal of American foreign policy became to prevent any other country dominating its region. To achieve this American would balance (ie interfere) against any power elsewhere in the world that might succeed in dominating its own region, because once secure at home such a country would make mischief well out of its region, as the US is free to do and does. It's not about the facts because unity in the belief rather than its actual content is important. Call it ideological line dancing, as with WW2 Japan in which the practice of Shinto meant Japan punched above its weight. Worshipping ancestors worked and exocrating ancestors will work too.


    Former Google CEO Eric Schmidt says China could supplant Silicon Valley as the world's tech powerhouse unless the US government steps in
     
    Under Trump America realized it faces an enormous country in a blur of dynamic growth. History of the Peloponnesian War-style China is rising economically; in a multilateral world of cooperation the rise cannot be stopped. So America must go to the Spartan solution to the problem, but that requires a united country, and a myth everyone subscribes to.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @icono1

    Beautiful.

  144. Mr. Anon says:
    June 21, 2020 at 7:33 pm GMT • 100 Words   
    @Art Deco
    This woman is inconsequential, and if the ordinary standards and practices which apply to ordinary people had been in effect, she'd have attended a state school in Iowa and be working as a schoolteacher or local reporter there. You've heard of her because she's the pampered pet of the shallow and silly man who has inherited the publisher's chair at The New York Times.

    Some curios about her family history. She's one of three daughters. The three daughters to date have between them been appended to five men who were either husbands or baby-daddies. With these five men, they've borne five children, all daughters (one died at birth). Three of the four surviving are the children of the oldest daughter, who is apparently no longer appended to the fathers of her children nor to the older man she married subsequently. The youngest daughter was a childless divorcee employed by the state corrections department; she was declared disabled at some point and died at the age of 34. The patriarch of this brood was a transit authority employee who was evidently also adjudicated disabled and died at the age of 62. Amiable photos of the matriarch can be found online; she's risking a nasty case of adult-onset diabetes if it hasn't hit her already. All four granddaughters have hideous given names, compounded in one case with an ugly double-barreled surname. Evidently, the surviving sister lives in Cedar Rapids and the rest of the family around Waterloo.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Prester John

    This woman is inconsequential,………

    No, she is not. She now is consequential. People are spray-painting her slogans on statues and walls. Are they spray-paining anything you’ve ever written on a statue of George Washington? She has been made consequential by virtue of a major media outlet giving her a soap-box. When will idiots like you realize this? You have gone on at great length in the past about how this or that academic or pundit is unimportant because they are just academics or pundits. Where do you think the madness we now find ourselves comes from? It came about because “inconsequential” people brainwashed two or three generations of students from their sinecures in academia or shaped public opinion from their perches in the media.

    Useless cucks like you understand nothing, learn nothing, and are worth nothing. Just go away and shuffle your filing cards you idiot. You are irrelevant to anything that’s happening in this country today.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Mr. Anon


    Where do you think the madness we now find ourselves comes from? It came about because “inconsequential” people brainwashed two or three generations of students from their sinecures in academia or shaped public opinion from their perches in the media.
     
    Exactly.
    , @Art Deco
    @Mr. Anon

    No, AG Sulzberger is consequential. She herself brings little or nothing to the table.

    Replies: @snorlax, @Mr. Anon

  145. @Art Deco
    This woman is inconsequential, and if the ordinary standards and practices which apply to ordinary people had been in effect, she'd have attended a state school in Iowa and be working as a schoolteacher or local reporter there. You've heard of her because she's the pampered pet of the shallow and silly man who has inherited the publisher's chair at The New York Times.

    Some curios about her family history. She's one of three daughters. The three daughters to date have between them been appended to five men who were either husbands or baby-daddies. With these five men, they've borne five children, all daughters (one died at birth). Three of the four surviving are the children of the oldest daughter, who is apparently no longer appended to the fathers of her children nor to the older man she married subsequently. The youngest daughter was a childless divorcee employed by the state corrections department; she was declared disabled at some point and died at the age of 34. The patriarch of this brood was a transit authority employee who was evidently also adjudicated disabled and died at the age of 62. Amiable photos of the matriarch can be found online; she's risking a nasty case of adult-onset diabetes if it hasn't hit her already. All four granddaughters have hideous given names, compounded in one case with an ugly double-barreled surname. Evidently, the surviving sister lives in Cedar Rapids and the rest of the family around Waterloo.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Prester John

    What is this crowd doing in Iowa? Thought Iowa was “Mid-America”. You know…Flyover Country…guys wearing overalls riding tractors…two lane roads straight as an arrow for 50 miles through endless cornfields with signs advertising Burma Shave and Red Man chawin’ tabacky. Am now permanently bummed.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Prester John

    Her maternal-side relatives are Czech. My guess would be early-20th century immigrants; maternal grandfather was a factory worker; his wife had a stint as an elementary schoolteacher but was mostly a housewife. Her father's family migrated from the Mississippi delta some time after the war for whatever reason. Her parents were married ca. 1971 and stayed married until her father died in 2007. Andrew Greeley offered some years ago that his research on married couples of disparate backgrounds indicated that the family's dynamics and the characteristics of the children don't tend to be a compromise between the two sides; one side dominates. From what I can discern from Twitter accounts and LinkedIn profiles and what not, the father's side seems to have been the influential one in this family.

  146. @Mitchell Porter
    @prime noticer

    At this point Black Lives Matter reminds me of the gay marriage movement, in the sense that most 'institutions' (including large businesses) have endorsed it. So I am trying to imagine what its 'victory' would look like. Blacks are only about one-seventh of American population. They are already massively promoted in American popular culture...

    Let me accept your premise that the prominence of BLM is due to the choices of Jewish owners of mass media. What are they thinking? It could be an expression of the post-Holocaust Jewish condition. For centuries Jews were treated as a religious outgroup, then they secularized, then they were treated as a racial outgroup. So in the latter era they have an incentive to promote a national identity that isn't racial, either by diluting racial majorities, or by making the majority racial identity a negative thing.

    Apart from Jewish identity, with its racial/religious duality, black identity seems to be the strongest racial identity in modern America. So the overall situation has a demographic and a cultural aspect. Demographically, globalized immigration is changing America from white majority to something more heterogeneous, while culturally, black militance and white guilt work against development of affirmative white identity.

    This is a logically coherent picture, but I still only half believe it. What's missing for me, is evidence that this is how things actually work. It's often pointed out that white liberals and progressives are eager boosters of BLM. And if I look for the intellectual rationale of BLM (e.g. that there is a continuing 'white supremacy'), I think of the part of postmodern 'critical theory' that's about race.

    Maybe I'd look for a more nuanced explanation that combines critical race theory, Jewish media oligarchs, and post-Christian white liberalism... If I think about it further, I'm sure critical race theory has had a major impetus from the Holocaust, and that the decline of Christianity in the west is correlated with the rise in Jewish cultural power.

    So in the end it does make sense to me that the left-liberal embrace of black issues is a side effect of Jewish empowerment in the contemporary west. I hypothesize though, that from a Jewish perspective, it has not been a machiavellian plot to prevent ethnonationalism, driven by anti-white animus; but rather that it's seen as a campaign for justice, driven by a belief in Jewish moral superiority.

    Replies: @bomag, @Whiskey, @Prester John

    “They are already massively promoted in American popular culture…”

    Wonder though how much of the rest of America pays much attention to the endless whining and complaining. In so doing they call attention to themselves and promote only more hostility. I have never seen a so-called minority group engage in more self-stereotyping than blacks.

  147. @Kronos
    @Jack D

    True, the worst General-President relationship was between Lincoln and George B. McClellan.

    The Confederate capital in Richmond was only ever 60 miles away from D.C. McClellan was apparently great at organizing/training but for some reason was never a offensive general. The war may have been won much earlier if he attacked within days the Civil War.

    http://gfvac.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/richmond-va-map.png

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Jack D, @snorlax, @Prof. Woland, @Prester John, @Sean, @Steve in Greensboro

    I have heard stories that McClellan was a closet reb sympathizer. Not sure I buy this though. From what I’ve read, as a field general/tactician he was utterly useless.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Prester John

    I’ve always been interested in the role of the European governments in the Civil War. Surely, British intelligence must’ve been heavily involved. A divided US would’ve been easier to deal with.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  148. @NJ Transit Commuter
    Curious to hear from others who know history better than I do:
    Has there ever been a more nihilistic protest / political movement than BLM? What’s the goal? What’s the end state? Destroy American culture and expose its hypocrisy and then what?

    The wanton violence of communism and it’s movements (like the Cultural Revolution) had an end game of a communist society in mind. The 60s protests were centered on civil rights and an end to US fighting in Vietnam. I guess the closest is the late 19th century Anarchist movement?

    Replies: @syonredux, @The Wild Geese Howard, @RichardTaylor, @Whiskey, @Ragno, @New Dealer, @TomSchmidt

    BLM is a heterogeneous front group quietly organized by the Freedom Road Socialist Organization, an avowedly Marxist-Leninist formation. Its three main originators have served as staff for other FRSO front groups. FRSO emerged from the remnants of the New Communist Movement (a miscellany of post-Maoist grouplets) after getting over the shock of the collapse of the Soviet Communism. It is rainbowized, adding race, gender, etc., to class as sources of oppression. Not democratic. Leninist.

    Antifa, though, is anarchocommunist.

  149. Sean says:
    June 21, 2020 at 8:16 pm GMT • 200 Words   
    @Kronos
    @Jack D

    True, the worst General-President relationship was between Lincoln and George B. McClellan.

    The Confederate capital in Richmond was only ever 60 miles away from D.C. McClellan was apparently great at organizing/training but for some reason was never a offensive general. The war may have been won much earlier if he attacked within days the Civil War.

    http://gfvac.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/richmond-va-map.png

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Jack D, @snorlax, @Prof. Woland, @Prester John, @Sean, @Steve in Greensboro

    If had not been for John Brown, the militias that coalesced into the Confederate army would not have existed, so there could have been no rebellion. There was, of course no chance of the South winning that war, none at all, but from a white supremacist view the Southern lifestyle of impregnating black ‘wenches’ continuing would have turned the entire country into lineal descendants of the Queen of Sheba. Like Jeff Davis’s wife.

    Despite being totally lacking in the basics of a military education or relevant experience, Lincoln appointed himself General in Chief, thus taking away command of the Western theatre from McClennan. Lincoln then further split the Western command, and then the Eastern gutting McClellan’s Army Of the Potomac. Moreover, Lincoln had recruitment to the Northern armies halted; meanwhile the Confederates had introduced a draft. As far as is known, Grant did not see McClellan’s plan for a coordinated attack on the South, but Grant’s plan for winning the war bore a very close resemblance to McClellan’s, which when he was able to put the Eastern part of it into operation came very close to total success.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Sean


    There was, of course no chance of the South winning that war[.]
     
    Assuming the British and French didn’t side with the Confederacy. I believe early on the CSA tried to involve them or at the very least use it as a bluff.
    , @68W58
    @Sean

    “There was, of course no chance of the South winning that war, none at all...”

    If the idiot Bragg had listened to Forrest’s pleadings and followed up the victory at Chickamauga with an attack on Chattanooga and either captured or destroyed the Army of the Tennessee then maybe (and that maybe should be bolded, underlined and italicized) it would have pushed back the Union effort in the West (while the East was already stalemated) and maybe (with all the same qualifiers) McClellan would have won the election of 1864. That was probably the only real chance the rebels had and, as usual, they had the wrong man in command.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Sean


    ...meanwhile the Confederates had introduced a draft.
     
    Which exempted blacks. One of the greatest race treasons in history.

    White boys went out to die-- of starvation more than bullets-- while the darkies stayed home and played whist.

    Replies: @snorlax

    , @Anonymous
    @Sean

    That (hilarious) picture is actually fake. You can see the original on the Varina Davis Wiki page.

    Replies: @Sean

  150. @unit472
    30 years ago some 'What If" writer ( Harry Turtledove?) wrote a book in which some South Africans invented a time machine to secure their countries future and went back in time and supplied automatic weapons to Robert E. Lee. Gettysburg turned out entirely different and Lee destroyed the Union Army. Didn't really need a time machine I suppose, just Hiram Maxim being born in Atlanta or Richmond 25 years earlier. Machineguns were technically possible in 1863 but no one had yet figured out how to use recoil or gas pressure to put the next round into the chamber of a firearm.

    The one thing that history does teach us is that the negro mind has not yet made that technical innovation that proves decisive on the battlefield. They are just cannon fodder when armies clash.

    ‘Whatever happens, we have got, the Maxim, and they have not’

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Kronos, @Jack D, @Anonymous, @Mokiki

    Smokeless powder was needed for practical automatic weapons. Otherwise frequent barrel cleaning is required.

  151. @anon
    The Confederate capital in Richmond was only ever 60 miles away from D.C. McClellan was apparently great at organizing/training but for some reason was never a offensive general.

    Well, he saw what happened to McDowell's command 25 miles out of town.

    https://infogalactic.com/info/First_Battle_of_Bull_Run

    Then Mac came up with his own plan, and it was pretty good.

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Peninsula_Campaign

    But the plan wasn't executed very effectively.

    As Jack mentioned, there was a serious effort to enter Washington in 1864, although it was at least partly intended to draw Union army troops away from the siege of Richmond.

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Battle_of_Fort_Stevens

    Much blood was spilled in a relatively small (by American standards) area in Virginia and Maryland, but the real doom for the Confederacy was sealed elsewhere. The direct approach failed, while the indirect approach succeeded.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTjxqZWWmgc

    I wonder if the WokeMob will be tearing down any statues of Willam T. Sherman out of sheer ignorance...or pure ingratitude?

    Replies: @Prof. Woland

    Here is a Masterstroke idea. Since they don’t or won’t teach white history in public schools, someone needs to develop an actual age appropriate courses (for credit or not) for grade school kids that parents can use for homeschooling. Due to the Covid the big topic right now in California is whether or not kids will go back to school next year or if the do for only two days a week on a split schedule. This has left many parents unsure of what to do. Many parents will need to stop working to say at home with their children and if they do they are de facto tutoring or homeschooling the kids even if not officially. Many kids are taking zoom classes ad nauseam right now. It would be very easy and inexpensive to do and nobody could stop it.

    Since online teaching is the wave of the future, introduce age appropriate classes explicitly on white history and culture that parents can selectively teach to their children. It completely cuts out the public school teachers who would dilute or sabotage any such courses taught at school and it would be beyond the reach of the BLM / multicultural types who will insist on only teaching how whites are evil and blacks victims and angels. Better yet, it would put pressure on the public school system to check their worst anti-white rhetoric knowing that parents would have access to a library of quality educational tools that would be better than anything they can produce.

  152. @anon
    @Bill P

    Duh, there are no statues of Mohammed.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Reg Cæsar

    Duh, there are no statues of Mohammed.

    There is a very lovely portrait of him in Bologna:

    In its horrific depiction of Hell, a gigantic Lucifer dominates the work. The prophet Mohammed also appears being devoured by a demon. After the September 11th attacks, Italian police have thwarted several Islamist terrorists attempting to damage or destroy San Petronio.

    http://heritagetimes.eu/san-petronio-bologna/

    However, the basilica has not been spared terrorism:

    Michelangelo also worked in San Petronio, making one of its lost masterpieces, a huge bronze statue of Pope Julius II. Unfortunately, an angry mob destroyed the work in 1511.

    Mohammedans and Hindoos should refrain from visiting the city:

    Glad You Asked: What is bologna made of, and how did it get its name?

    • Replies: @snorlax
    @Reg Cæsar


    Michelangelo also worked in San Petronio, making one of its lost masterpieces, a huge bronze statue of Pope Julius II. Unfortunately, an angry mob destroyed the work in 1511.
     
    Black Lives Matter!

    Did they spray paint "1619" on the pedestal?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  153. @Reg Cæsar
    @anon


    Duh, there are no statues of Mohammed.
     
    There is a very lovely portrait of him in Bologna:


    http://heritagetimes.eu/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/IMG_0570.jpg

    In its horrific depiction of Hell, a gigantic Lucifer dominates the work. The prophet Mohammed also appears being devoured by a demon. After the September 11th attacks, Italian police have thwarted several Islamist terrorists attempting to damage or destroy San Petronio.

    http://heritagetimes.eu/san-petronio-bologna/
     
    However, the basilica has not been spared terrorism:

    Michelangelo also worked in San Petronio, making one of its lost masterpieces, a huge bronze statue of Pope Julius II. Unfortunately, an angry mob destroyed the work in 1511.
     
    Mohammedans and Hindoos should refrain from visiting the city:


    Glad You Asked: What is bologna made of, and how did it get its name?

    Replies: @snorlax

    Michelangelo also worked in San Petronio, making one of its lost masterpieces, a huge bronze statue of Pope Julius II. Unfortunately, an angry mob destroyed the work in 1511.

    Black Lives Matter!

    [MORE]

    Did they spray paint “1619” on the pedestal?

    • LOL: vhrm
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @snorlax

    1511 came before 1619.

    You must have learned "fuzzy math".

  154. @snorlax
    @Reg Cæsar


    Michelangelo also worked in San Petronio, making one of its lost masterpieces, a huge bronze statue of Pope Julius II. Unfortunately, an angry mob destroyed the work in 1511.
     
    Black Lives Matter!

    Did they spray paint "1619" on the pedestal?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    1511 came before 1619.

    You must have learned “fuzzy math”.

  155. res says:
    June 21, 2020 at 9:50 pm GMT • 100 Words   
    @Kratoklastes
    @Lugash

    Well, that would hardly count as conclusive proof of inferioritaah of the nig-ruh, given that some vox pops show that Americans selected at random fail to correctly identify when WWII was fought and which side the US was on.

    It's really interesting how history has changed, too.

    Two years ago, if I wanted to find a YouTube clip of the guy going around asking (mostly-)white US college students "When was WWII?" and "Who was the enemy in WWII" and getting super-fucktarded answers, it would be near the top of the first page of Google.

    Now, it doesn't appear in the first page of Google search, let along the first page of the "Videos" tab; the first page is dominated by videos lamenting that American teens have not been indoctrinated to accept the canonical number of victims of the 'camp-based' unpleasantness that befell (((some folks))) in the 1940s.

    White US college students got retroactively smarter.

    Anyhow... Google could not 'de-rank' searches sufficiently for me to rediscover the NAEP 2014 publication showing that less than 18% of US 8th graders were 'proficient' in History.

    If the numbers have improved since 2014, it just means that there was a change in the definition of 'proficient'.

    Replies: @res

    Google could not ‘de-rank’ searches sufficiently for me to rediscover the NAEP 2014 publication showing that less than 18% of US 8th graders were ‘proficient’ in History.

    If the numbers have improved since 2014, it just means that there was a change in the definition of ‘proficient’.

    You don’t have to worry about fake improvement. In 2018 US 8th graders were down to 15% at or above NAEP Proficient in history. 12th graders (those 2014 8th graders) were down to 12%.
    https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/

    More depressing details about the 2018 US History results at:
    https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/highlights/ushistory/2018/

    These results (2018 Civics, Geography, and History) were released 4/23/20. The 2019 mathematics and reading results are also available.

    One thing which might be of interest is this page has national and state race demographics for 4th and 8th graders going back to 1990. I think this is public school only though.
    https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/mathematics/states/groups?grade=8

  156. @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco


    This woman is inconsequential,.........
     
    No, she is not. She now is consequential. People are spray-painting her slogans on statues and walls. Are they spray-paining anything you've ever written on a statue of George Washington? She has been made consequential by virtue of a major media outlet giving her a soap-box. When will idiots like you realize this? You have gone on at great length in the past about how this or that academic or pundit is unimportant because they are just academics or pundits. Where do you think the madness we now find ourselves comes from? It came about because "inconsequential" people brainwashed two or three generations of students from their sinecures in academia or shaped public opinion from their perches in the media.

    Useless cucks like you understand nothing, learn nothing, and are worth nothing. Just go away and shuffle your filing cards you idiot. You are irrelevant to anything that's happening in this country today.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Art Deco

    Where do you think the madness we now find ourselves comes from? It came about because “inconsequential” people brainwashed two or three generations of students from their sinecures in academia or shaped public opinion from their perches in the media.

    Exactly.

  157. mc86 says:

    Juneteenth is a worthy holiday to celebrate. Ending slavery was huge, a great accomplishment of this country.

    Imagine organizing a Juneteenth celebration that honors those who ended slavery. It should involve a few thousand Union Civil War re-enactors, a float with John Brown and his crew, and people representing famous abolitionists,important anti-slavery politicians and generals, Lincoln, Grant etc.

    We could even give the British a float to acknowledge the fact that their navy ended the slave trade.

    There would be some blacks in this mix but it would be overwhelmingly European.

  158. @Prof. Woland
    I could see how this current meltdown could take a very nasty turn. Blacks do not have any monuments or businesses worth tearing down which protects them from cancel culture in part. But they tend to be over invested in black public figures who would be ripe for ridicule or taking down. Currently they are off limits with the MSM and big tech policing detractors. What I think we are seeing in part with BLM is an attempt to inoculate blacks from open criticism in any way. They are becoming powerful enough within the Democratic party that they cannot just be dismissed as pets that piss on the nation's carpet.

    We are likely to see a black female vice-president candidate shortly who will not automatically receive the same kid gloves treatment Obama did which will be devastating to the thin-skinned blacks that reflexively support their brothers and sisters. The only way the Democrats can win will be a bruised knuckle fight that if they do win, will leave approximately half the country openly mocking her. There will be no automatic respect something blacks crave and need only now it will be whites tearing them down just not with Molotov cocktails and bricks. They will be in the mosh pit with everyone else.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @no jack london

    It protects them from cancel culture. Doesn’t protect their businesses from being trashed by rioters.

  159. @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco


    This woman is inconsequential,.........
     
    No, she is not. She now is consequential. People are spray-painting her slogans on statues and walls. Are they spray-paining anything you've ever written on a statue of George Washington? She has been made consequential by virtue of a major media outlet giving her a soap-box. When will idiots like you realize this? You have gone on at great length in the past about how this or that academic or pundit is unimportant because they are just academics or pundits. Where do you think the madness we now find ourselves comes from? It came about because "inconsequential" people brainwashed two or three generations of students from their sinecures in academia or shaped public opinion from their perches in the media.

    Useless cucks like you understand nothing, learn nothing, and are worth nothing. Just go away and shuffle your filing cards you idiot. You are irrelevant to anything that's happening in this country today.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Art Deco

    No, AG Sulzberger is consequential. She herself brings little or nothing to the table.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    @Art Deco

    What happens if Nikole Hannah-Jones accuses A.G. Sulzberger of calling her the n-word or touching her breast? In other words, which of the two fears the other?

    An interesting thought experiment I heard a few years back is what if you put Stalin or Hitler in the middle of Times Square? They could bark orders at passersby all they want, but nobody would pay them any mind.

    People like Stalin and Hitler were only consequential because others chose to make them consequential. A.G. Sulzberger and others choose to make Nikole Hannah-Jones consequential, therefore she is consequential.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Reg Cæsar

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco

    It doesn't matter what she brings to the table. It matters that she's standing on it yelling.

  160. @Clement Pulaski
    I wonder if black churches are going to stop singing Amazing Grace, since the hymn was written by a "white savior" abolitionist.

    Replies: @mc86

    Who was a slave trader before he found God,

  161. Art Deco says:
    @Prester John
    @Art Deco

    What is this crowd doing in Iowa? Thought Iowa was "Mid-America". You know...Flyover Country...guys wearing overalls riding tractors...two lane roads straight as an arrow for 50 miles through endless cornfields with signs advertising Burma Shave and Red Man chawin' tabacky. Am now permanently bummed.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Her maternal-side relatives are Czech. My guess would be early-20th century immigrants; maternal grandfather was a factory worker; his wife had a stint as an elementary schoolteacher but was mostly a housewife. Her father’s family migrated from the Mississippi delta some time after the war for whatever reason. Her parents were married ca. 1971 and stayed married until her father died in 2007. Andrew Greeley offered some years ago that his research on married couples of disparate backgrounds indicated that the family’s dynamics and the characteristics of the children don’t tend to be a compromise between the two sides; one side dominates. From what I can discern from Twitter accounts and LinkedIn profiles and what not, the father’s side seems to have been the influential one in this family.

  162. Anonymous[862] • Disclaimer says:
    @Whiskey
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    The Goal of BLM is to make black people everywhere the masters of White people. And others, but principally White ones.

    It is nothing more and less than black Domination of other races. ONLY black Lives matter, not any others. And all other races must grovel and kneel, wash their feet, and abase themselves before their masters. Who may assault violently, kill, rob, do whatever. Without the police or legal system interfering in the least.

    This movement is very, very popular. With White women. With White men, not so much. They don't get the BDSM thrills White women get from crawling around in bondage gear.

    But that's pretty much it. BLM has totally destroyed Trump, he can't even get a crowd in Tulsa OK. The place was 2/3 empty. Biden despite being technically, dead, is on a par to win all 50 states and install either Susan Rice or the Beast from 20,000 fathoms as the real President.

    Rice has said that Trump (White) supporters belong on the Trash Heap of history, so draw your own conclusions there.

    Expect to pay the Whitey tax every year and get down and grovel when you meet a black person.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    The stadium was empty because people are reluctant to get corona in order to own the libs. Even your beloved “dirt people” are mostly not that dumb. I’ve actually composed a national anthem for Dirtistan, sung to the tune of the Trizonesian Song:

    We’re the natives of Dirtistan!
    Born in trailer parks!
    We grew up without fathers.
    Think we’re fighting Karl Marx!

    Don’t know math, science, or history.
    We’re idiots.
    And we’re proud of it.
    But we comment on any subject.
    Cause we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know!

    Half of us are obese.
    But we think we’re very very very very tough.
    We make fun of soyboys.
    Hope they never call our bluff!

    We believe in traddy values.
    Jesus saves us.
    Oh please save us.
    Our women act like whores.
    And our men fight the Jewish wars!

  163. @Jim Don Bob
    @Kronos

    Richmond is more like 100 miles from DC and you have to cross the Rappahanock near Fredericksburg to get there. The Union did try to attack up the James River but it is only navigable so far.

    Lincoln asked McClellan if he could borrow the army if McC wasn't going to use it, so I agree with you that MCC could have done more. That said, it was never going to be an easy campaign. The Anaconda strategy won the war.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    Fredericksburg (where Mom and Dad had an apartment while Dad was at Quantico) is about halfway between DC and Richmond, and Quantico (where Dad went through OCS and The Basic School) is about halfway between DC and Fredeicksburg. The amphibious operation you mention presaged D-Day, Inchon, and others, but, as you point out, it was very badly executed by a weak commander. I agree about Anaconda; the Naval superiority of the Union was unquestionable; military, not so much until near the end of the war. The area around Quantico is now suburban, not sure about Fredericksburg but I think it is at least an exurb of DC.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @Hibernian


    not sure about Fredericksburg but I think it is at least an exurb of DC.
     
    Fredericksburg (and the rest of Stafford County) have a sizeable population of federal workers. Many federal agencies allow "flex time" - which basically means as long as you give them 40 hours you have a lot of ways of getting there: five 8-hour days, 4 10-hour days, etc. And there is also a lot of flexibility about when you can start.

    So if you're some drone that works in the Pentagon, the 50-mile drive from Fredericksburg can be hellish...unless you do it at say, 4 am. Into the office by 5, leave at 1pm. Beat traffic both ways. It seems like an awful existence, but obviously lots of people don't agree with me.

    There are also people that stand on the side of the road waiting to be picked up by random people that need an extra warm body so they can drive in the HOV lanes.

    Once I wise-ass-ly told a woman I knew (she was a civilian employee of the Army and had some paper shuffling job deep in the pentagon) that if I had her job I'd think about coming in on Monday, cranking out one 40-hour coffee-fueled shift, then taking the rest of the week off. By the expression on her face I could tell she was pondering it.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Cortes

  164. @Nicholas Stix
    @prime noticer

    Apparently, you haven't noticed that Jews haven't owned the New York Times since 1992. Noticing isn't your strength. You are in danger of being sued for impersonation of a noticer.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    Didn’t the Sulzberger family, or at least someone in the family, keep some percentage of NYT through the Carlos slim era?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Hibernian

    I think they own a minority of the shares but a dominant position in regard to voting shares. The clan, like the Meyers, is descended from mid-19th century German Jewish immigration. They've had three generations of inter-marriage, so their connection to the Jewish population of today is fairly faint (though not quite as faint as the Meyers'). The attitudes of the great-grandfather of the current publisher were decidedly assimilationist.

    , @Nicholas Stix
    @Hibernian

    In 1992, the late Punch Sulzberger, who was a Jew and a WWII hero, handed the reins to his Episcopalian Communist son, Pinch. Three years ago, Pinch handed the reins to his gentile son.

  165. snorlax says:
    @Art Deco
    @Mr. Anon

    No, AG Sulzberger is consequential. She herself brings little or nothing to the table.

    Replies: @snorlax, @Mr. Anon

    What happens if Nikole Hannah-Jones accuses A.G. Sulzberger of calling her the n-word or touching her breast? In other words, which of the two fears the other?

    An interesting thought experiment I heard a few years back is what if you put Stalin or Hitler in the middle of Times Square? They could bark orders at passersby all they want, but nobody would pay them any mind.

    People like Stalin and Hitler were only consequential because others chose to make them consequential. A.G. Sulzberger and others choose to make Nikole Hannah-Jones consequential, therefore she is consequential.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @snorlax

    What happens if Nikole Hannah-Jones accuses A.G. Sulzberger of calling her the n-word or touching her breast? In other words, which of the two fears the other?

    Dunno. The company is permitted under our puzzling corporate law to have multiple classes of stock which leave the voting rights in the hands of certain parties within the Ochs-Sulzberger family. I don't know who could unload him.

    When scandals are inconvenient to the Democratic Party and to influentials in the media, the scandals go away (see Gov. Northam et al). There are occasions when they don't, and my suspicions would be that they do not when some insider wants the target's job. So, my wager would be that she accuses Sulzberger of something, nothing happens unless there's a faction in the family that wants him out in favor of one of his cousins.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @snorlax


    What happens if Nikole Hannah-Jones accuses A.G. Sulzberger of calling her the n-word or touching her breast?
     
    She won't be writing any more columns. At least there.
  166. anon[275] • Disclaimer says:
    @S. Anonyia
    @Lugash

    Most people under 30 wouldn't guess the right decade.


    I used to teach World History along with Creative Writing and Social Studies electives....and what I found, most baffling, throughout the 6 years of it I could stomach- was that students had NO conception of time.

    Like the the Renaissance, the French Revolution, the Civil War, WWI- everything in
    "black and white" seemed the same.

    They also had a very U.S centric view of the world and believed all slaves everywhere throughout history were black. And were constantly confused when I didn't point out who the "bad guys" and "good guys" were.

    Can we retire the whole right side of history thing, forever? Bring back NUANCE. Unfortunately that perception of history has its roots in the whole "shining in a hill" American exceptionalism BS- only now its been twisted to fit a liberal narrative instead, on steroids- Irony!

    Replies: @anon

    I grew up in Arkansas and every child and teenager was aware of the Civil War, WWI, and WWII.
    We discussed these wars in and out of class.
    Of my small town public high school class, 100% of the males can tell you who the sides were and who won, and more or less get the dates right.
    They also know who were the good guys (Confederates) and the bad guys (Yankees).
    Almost all of us had uncles or fathers who fought in WWII.

  167. @Kronos
    @Jack D

    True, the worst General-President relationship was between Lincoln and George B. McClellan.

    The Confederate capital in Richmond was only ever 60 miles away from D.C. McClellan was apparently great at organizing/training but for some reason was never a offensive general. The war may have been won much earlier if he attacked within days the Civil War.

    http://gfvac.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/richmond-va-map.png

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Jack D, @snorlax, @Prof. Woland, @Prester John, @Sean, @Steve in Greensboro

    Another example of McClellan’s incompetence was his failed attempt to find a pass through the Cascades. He did get a geographic feature named after him — McClellan Butte.

    …General George B McClellan visited this area in 1853 surveying (unsuccessfully) for a route for rail lines to pass through the Cascades. He chose the never-used Yakima Pass. The more popular route was Snoqualmie Pass, home now to the major interstate highway you used to get to the trailhead…

    .

    https://www.gaiagps.com/hike/234420/mcclellan-butte/

  168. @Prester John
    @Kronos

    I have heard stories that McClellan was a closet reb sympathizer. Not sure I buy this though. From what I've read, as a field general/tactician he was utterly useless.

    Replies: @Kronos

    I’ve always been interested in the role of the European governments in the Civil War. Surely, British intelligence must’ve been heavily involved. A divided US would’ve been easier to deal with.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Kronos

    'I’ve always been interested in the role of the European governments in the Civil War. Surely, British intelligence must’ve been heavily involved. A divided US would’ve been easier to deal with.'

    I think you mistakenly assume the rather rudimentary and modestly staffed governments of the time were anything like the magnificent, incredibly polydextrous, obscenely bloated entities that so closely supervise us today.

    'British intelligence' back then probably consisted of one cashiered colonel and his dog.

    'Well, what's Huxtable say'?

    'Not much of use, I'm afraid, sir. He's got the DT's again, A lot of material about great pink toads with shining eyes, if you'd like me to read it...'

    'Oh Lord no. Shall we just take the Americans' word for it, then?'

    Replies: @Kronos, @Wielgus

  169. Nikole Hannah-Jones deleted her Twitter account today after saying that it would be an honor to have the current destruction and mayhem across the US known as the “1619 riots.”

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/381873/

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Jim Don Bob

    Jim Bob, what a stunning accomplishment to watch your culture trash your country.

  170. Art Deco says:
    @snorlax
    @Art Deco

    What happens if Nikole Hannah-Jones accuses A.G. Sulzberger of calling her the n-word or touching her breast? In other words, which of the two fears the other?

    An interesting thought experiment I heard a few years back is what if you put Stalin or Hitler in the middle of Times Square? They could bark orders at passersby all they want, but nobody would pay them any mind.

    People like Stalin and Hitler were only consequential because others chose to make them consequential. A.G. Sulzberger and others choose to make Nikole Hannah-Jones consequential, therefore she is consequential.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Reg Cæsar

    What happens if Nikole Hannah-Jones accuses A.G. Sulzberger of calling her the n-word or touching her breast? In other words, which of the two fears the other?

    Dunno. The company is permitted under our puzzling corporate law to have multiple classes of stock which leave the voting rights in the hands of certain parties within the Ochs-Sulzberger family. I don’t know who could unload him.

    When scandals are inconvenient to the Democratic Party and to influentials in the media, the scandals go away (see Gov. Northam et al). There are occasions when they don’t, and my suspicions would be that they do not when some insider wants the target’s job. So, my wager would be that she accuses Sulzberger of something, nothing happens unless there’s a faction in the family that wants him out in favor of one of his cousins.

  171. Art Deco says:
    @Hibernian
    @Nicholas Stix

    Didn't the Sulzberger family, or at least someone in the family, keep some percentage of NYT through the Carlos slim era?

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Nicholas Stix

    I think they own a minority of the shares but a dominant position in regard to voting shares. The clan, like the Meyers, is descended from mid-19th century German Jewish immigration. They’ve had three generations of inter-marriage, so their connection to the Jewish population of today is fairly faint (though not quite as faint as the Meyers’). The attitudes of the great-grandfather of the current publisher were decidedly assimilationist.

  172. @Hibernian
    @Jim Don Bob

    Fredericksburg (where Mom and Dad had an apartment while Dad was at Quantico) is about halfway between DC and Richmond, and Quantico (where Dad went through OCS and The Basic School) is about halfway between DC and Fredeicksburg. The amphibious operation you mention presaged D-Day, Inchon, and others, but, as you point out, it was very badly executed by a weak commander. I agree about Anaconda; the Naval superiority of the Union was unquestionable; military, not so much until near the end of the war. The area around Quantico is now suburban, not sure about Fredericksburg but I think it is at least an exurb of DC.

    Replies: @William Badwhite

    not sure about Fredericksburg but I think it is at least an exurb of DC.

    Fredericksburg (and the rest of Stafford County) have a sizeable population of federal workers. Many federal agencies allow “flex time” – which basically means as long as you give them 40 hours you have a lot of ways of getting there: five 8-hour days, 4 10-hour days, etc. And there is also a lot of flexibility about when you can start.

    So if you’re some drone that works in the Pentagon, the 50-mile drive from Fredericksburg can be hellish…unless you do it at say, 4 am. Into the office by 5, leave at 1pm. Beat traffic both ways. It seems like an awful existence, but obviously lots of people don’t agree with me.

    There are also people that stand on the side of the road waiting to be picked up by random people that need an extra warm body so they can drive in the HOV lanes.

    Once I wise-ass-ly told a woman I knew (she was a civilian employee of the Army and had some paper shuffling job deep in the pentagon) that if I had her job I’d think about coming in on Monday, cranking out one 40-hour coffee-fueled shift, then taking the rest of the week off. By the expression on her face I could tell she was pondering it.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @William Badwhite


    So if you’re some drone that works in the Pentagon, the 50-mile drive from Fredericksburg can be hellish…unless you do it at say, 4 am. Into the office by 5, leave at 1pm. Beat traffic both ways. It seems like an awful existence, but obviously lots of people don’t agree with me.
     
    Lot of people do it because you can buy a townhouse in Fburg for 250k which won't buy you a studio condo in the closer in DC suburbs.

    There are 2 HOV lanes in between the north and south bound lanes of I-95 which reach almost to Fburg. The last Republican governor of Virginia made them HOV toll lanes 24/7 which has made the I-95 traffic much worse. The only time you can get anywhere driving around DC is between 10am and 2pm, and even that is problematic.

    Replies: @William Badwhite

    , @Cortes
    @William Badwhite

    Depending on the roles you have to play, flexitime can be a great boon.

    To do research and draft responses to internal and external queries, I used to get to the office three hours before the first incoming phone calls, references by junior staff etc began to cause disruption. Late evening work on Fridays was also good because interruption usually tailed off by four.

  173. Cortes says:

    The whole social media thing is scary.

    The best friend of one of my nieces has over a million followers/subscribers for her “output” – which by all accounts is very profitable. No harm to her by any means but her success owes much to the insecurity of her “followers” who appear desperate for someone to tell them what to like, think, do.

    Scary?

    No, it’s not.

    It’s terrifying.

  174. @William Badwhite
    @Hibernian


    not sure about Fredericksburg but I think it is at least an exurb of DC.
     
    Fredericksburg (and the rest of Stafford County) have a sizeable population of federal workers. Many federal agencies allow "flex time" - which basically means as long as you give them 40 hours you have a lot of ways of getting there: five 8-hour days, 4 10-hour days, etc. And there is also a lot of flexibility about when you can start.

    So if you're some drone that works in the Pentagon, the 50-mile drive from Fredericksburg can be hellish...unless you do it at say, 4 am. Into the office by 5, leave at 1pm. Beat traffic both ways. It seems like an awful existence, but obviously lots of people don't agree with me.

    There are also people that stand on the side of the road waiting to be picked up by random people that need an extra warm body so they can drive in the HOV lanes.

    Once I wise-ass-ly told a woman I knew (she was a civilian employee of the Army and had some paper shuffling job deep in the pentagon) that if I had her job I'd think about coming in on Monday, cranking out one 40-hour coffee-fueled shift, then taking the rest of the week off. By the expression on her face I could tell she was pondering it.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Cortes

    So if you’re some drone that works in the Pentagon, the 50-mile drive from Fredericksburg can be hellish…unless you do it at say, 4 am. Into the office by 5, leave at 1pm. Beat traffic both ways. It seems like an awful existence, but obviously lots of people don’t agree with me.

    Lot of people do it because you can buy a townhouse in Fburg for 250k which won’t buy you a studio condo in the closer in DC suburbs.

    There are 2 HOV lanes in between the north and south bound lanes of I-95 which reach almost to Fburg. The last Republican governor of Virginia made them HOV toll lanes 24/7 which has made the I-95 traffic much worse. The only time you can get anywhere driving around DC is between 10am and 2pm, and even that is problematic.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @Jim Don Bob


    The only time you can get anywhere driving around DC is between 10am and 2pm, and even that is problematic.
     
    Yeah, Imperial Rome basically exploded in size post 9/11. Good thing we had a "conservative" Repub in the White House or it might really have gotten big
  175. @NJ Transit Commuter
    Curious to hear from others who know history better than I do:
    Has there ever been a more nihilistic protest / political movement than BLM? What’s the goal? What’s the end state? Destroy American culture and expose its hypocrisy and then what?

    The wanton violence of communism and it’s movements (like the Cultural Revolution) had an end game of a communist society in mind. The 60s protests were centered on civil rights and an end to US fighting in Vietnam. I guess the closest is the late 19th century Anarchist movement?

    Replies: @syonredux, @The Wild Geese Howard, @RichardTaylor, @Whiskey, @Ragno, @New Dealer, @TomSchmidt

    Quoting Taleb, “whoever has no past, has no future.” As my Israeli friend put it: a tree without roots cannot grow.

    What they want to do when the tree is dead, who knows.

  176. On Topic: They are removing the statue of Theodore Roosevelt from in front of the American Museum of Natural History. His father, Theodore Sr., was one of the founders.

    The reason? Someone complained, I guess. Is there a name for POCs who demand these things, or is ‘Karen’ or ‘Becky’ only for whites? ( They are trying to invent a name for white males who confront antisocial behavior but it isn’t going to take). Then again to ask the question is to answer it.

    Or maybe nobody complained and someone with the museum decided to preempt the mob? This seems to be happening a lot. They removed the statue of George Preston Marshall from in front of RFK stadium in DC, probably realizing it was a target.

    There is a new commission to decide which public statues to remove, headed by de Blasio’s wife Chirlane, natch. They tried this before, removed Dr. Marlon Sims from Central Park. He did medical experiments on slaves, which sounds really bad, but they left Columbus in Columbus Circle. Let’s see if it survives the second round.

    They do these things because they can. They cannot stop black violence, or make blacks smarter, so they do what they can. It is sheer spite.

  177. @Gordo
    @Colin Wright

    Its maybe a bit late for decency.

    We appear to be decenting ourselves to death.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘Its maybe a bit late for decency.

    We appear to be decenting ourselves to death.’

    You may well be right. However, none of that serves to justify the abomination that calls itself ‘Israel.’

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Colin Wright

    You may well be right. However, none of that serves to justify the abomination that calls itself ‘Israel.’

    For lousy people, accomplishments are an 'abomination'.

  178. Cortes says:
    @William Badwhite
    @Hibernian


    not sure about Fredericksburg but I think it is at least an exurb of DC.
     
    Fredericksburg (and the rest of Stafford County) have a sizeable population of federal workers. Many federal agencies allow "flex time" - which basically means as long as you give them 40 hours you have a lot of ways of getting there: five 8-hour days, 4 10-hour days, etc. And there is also a lot of flexibility about when you can start.

    So if you're some drone that works in the Pentagon, the 50-mile drive from Fredericksburg can be hellish...unless you do it at say, 4 am. Into the office by 5, leave at 1pm. Beat traffic both ways. It seems like an awful existence, but obviously lots of people don't agree with me.

    There are also people that stand on the side of the road waiting to be picked up by random people that need an extra warm body so they can drive in the HOV lanes.

    Once I wise-ass-ly told a woman I knew (she was a civilian employee of the Army and had some paper shuffling job deep in the pentagon) that if I had her job I'd think about coming in on Monday, cranking out one 40-hour coffee-fueled shift, then taking the rest of the week off. By the expression on her face I could tell she was pondering it.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Cortes

    Depending on the roles you have to play, flexitime can be a great boon.

    To do research and draft responses to internal and external queries, I used to get to the office three hours before the first incoming phone calls, references by junior staff etc began to cause disruption. Late evening work on Fridays was also good because interruption usually tailed off by four.

  179. @Kronos
    @Prester John

    I’ve always been interested in the role of the European governments in the Civil War. Surely, British intelligence must’ve been heavily involved. A divided US would’ve been easier to deal with.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘I’ve always been interested in the role of the European governments in the Civil War. Surely, British intelligence must’ve been heavily involved. A divided US would’ve been easier to deal with.’

    I think you mistakenly assume the rather rudimentary and modestly staffed governments of the time were anything like the magnificent, incredibly polydextrous, obscenely bloated entities that so closely supervise us today.

    ‘British intelligence’ back then probably consisted of one cashiered colonel and his dog.

    ‘Well, what’s Huxtable say’?

    ‘Not much of use, I’m afraid, sir. He’s got the DT’s again, A lot of material about great pink toads with shining eyes, if you’d like me to read it…’

    ‘Oh Lord no. Shall we just take the Americans’ word for it, then?’

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Colin Wright


    ‘British intelligence’ back then probably consisted of one cashiered colonel and his dog.
     
    I’m not so sure.

    There wasn’t a truly publicly controlled government entity under the supervision of Parliament. (MI5 and MI6 weren’t created until the beginning of the 20th century.)

    But there were highly sophisticated private spy networks in the pay of industrial/financial interests. Think James Clavell’s “Tia-Pan.” You’d need a reliable communications network to operate your business from Hong Kong and understand (within reason) the changing prices in commodities in London. Surely, they’d have their own agents to send to monarchies and republics to influence trade agreements.

    https://static.rogerebert.com/uploads/movie/movie_poster/tai-pan-1986/large_cqYC8p22nbPU7o3xr0FiPeCPBRm.jpg

    Mail by 19th century boats is slow by modern standards, but if everyone is playing by that speed they use it regardless. Just because the technology “sucked” back then didn’t mean people were borderline retarded. Those with power and influence had feelers everywhere to understand what was the up-in-up.

    https://youtu.be/83EWR-vlz0I

    The Rothschilds made a killing after the 1815 Battle of Waterloo by possessing a superb intelligence network.

    https://youtu.be/nxOV-IyU7tU

    (Sorry for the conspiratorial music but it’s short, concise, and details an elaborate intelligence network and political/economic maneuvering.)

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    , @Wielgus
    @Colin Wright

    About half a century earlier, John Quincy Adams was US envoy to the Netherlands, and taught himself Dutch by translating articles from Dutch news journals into English. Feeling that they should have an informative function, he posted his translations back to the US government. None of this was secret but he was probably rolled what would now be State Department and even CIA functions into that simple task. It was probably not much more developed in the US Civil War.

  180. @t
    https://twitter.com/MarxistSoccer/status/1274506728600715265

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Pop Warner, @Buffalo Joe

    She’s not going against them for owning slaves, she’s going against them for owning black slaves. She couldn’t care less about slavery but since it involved her (looks like 1/2 from the lighting) people it’s the Worst Thing Ever

  181. syonredux says:
    June 22, 2020 at 1:29 am GMT • 500 Words   

    Speaking of statues, Pushkin’s The Bronze Horseman: A Petersburg Tale seems rather appropriate to the current hour:

    Pressed to the railings. Darkness filled
    His eyes. The prey of passions blazing
    Within him, he stood sullenly
    Before the royal effigy;
    And quivering with fury, raising
    His fist, as if compelled by some
    Dark force to blind, impulsive action,
    He hissed through teeth clenched in distraction:
    ‘You … builder of grand schemes! I’ll come
    And get you!’ – and then ran off, numb
    With terror from a sudden vision:
    He thought the fearsome tsar had turned
    By slow degrees his face, which burned
    With righteous anger and derision …
    And through that dark, deserted square
    Yevgeny ran, and was aware
    Of cumbrous hooves behind him pounding
    The roadway, crashing and resounding
    Like thunder in the still night air;

    For after him, with arm extended,
    The Bronze Colossus on its steed
    Charged at the gallop and offended
    The moonlit calm with its stampede.
    And then, no matter where he wended
    His way, he found that all night through –
    Poor, hapless wretch – he was attended
    By bronze hooves beating their tattoo.

    The Bronze Horseman: A Petersburg Tale (Russian: Медный всадник: Петербургская повесть Mednyy vsadnik: Peterburgskaya povest, literally: “The Copper Horseman”) is a narrative poem written by Alexander Pushkin in 1833 about the equestrian statue of Peter the Great in Saint Petersburg and the great flood of 1824. While the poem was written in 1833, it was not published, in its entirety, until after his death as his work was under censorship due to the political nature of his other writings. Widely considered to be Pushkin’s most successful narrative poem, The Bronze Horseman has had a lasting impact on Russian literature. The Pushkin critic A. D. P. Briggs praises the poem “as the best in the Russian language, and even the best poem written anywhere in the nineteenth century”.[1] It is considered one of the most influential works in Russian literature, and is one of the reasons Pushkin is often called the “founder of modern Russian literature.”

    In Part II, Evgenii finds a ferryman and commands him to row to where Parasha’s home used to be (ll. 26 – ll. 56). However, he discovers that her home has been destroyed (ll. 57–60), and falls into a crazed delirium and breaks into laughter (ll. 61–65). For a year, he roams the street as a madman (ll. 89–130), but the following autumn, he is reminded of the night of the storm (ll. 132–133) and the source of his troubles. In a fit of rage, he curses the statue of Peter (ll. 177–179), which brings the statue to life, and Peter begins pursuing Evgenii (ll. 180–196). The narrator does not describe Evgenii’s death directly, but the poem closes with the discovery of his corpse in a ruined hut floating on the water (ll. 219–222).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bronze_Horseman_(poem)#The_Bronze_Horseman

    • Replies: @vinteuil
    @syonredux

    Any other year, I'd be just now arriving in Санкт-Петербург for the Mariinsky Theatre's "Stars of the White Nights" festival, after a week in Budapest for the Wagner Days.

    Every day, I'd be walking by the "Bronze Horseman" monument to Peter the Great, on my way to the banks of the Neva in time for the firing of the gun at Noon...

    What a fascinating & insanely beautiful city it is!

    Anyway, it's interesting that the Russians don't seem to be much into tearing down monuments to past historical figures. At Finland Station, the genocidal maniac Lenin still gestures theatrically to the proletariat. Not far away, the evil bastard & butcher Felix Dzerzhinsky stands in an empty square, gazing malevolently toward Smolny Cathedral.

  182. @t
    https://twitter.com/Chicago_Scanner/status/1274504236613730305

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Prof. Woland

    t, and everyone here, take a minute and type into a search engine….”Child shot and killed in (add any American city.) You will be stunned at the ages and numbers and yet…nothing.

  183. @t
    https://twitter.com/MarxistSoccer/status/1274506728600715265

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Pop Warner, @Buffalo Joe

    t, and blacks in America actually owned black slaves. When does that come up?

  184. @Colin Wright
    @Gordo

    'Its maybe a bit late for decency.

    We appear to be decenting ourselves to death.'

    You may well be right. However, none of that serves to justify the abomination that calls itself 'Israel.'

    Replies: @Art Deco

    You may well be right. However, none of that serves to justify the abomination that calls itself ‘Israel.’

    For lousy people, accomplishments are an ‘abomination’.

  185. @Jim Don Bob
    Nikole Hannah-Jones deleted her Twitter account today after saying that it would be an honor to have the current destruction and mayhem across the US known as the “1619 riots.”

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/381873/

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Jim Bob, what a stunning accomplishment to watch your culture trash your country.

  186. @Art Deco
    @Mr. Anon

    No, AG Sulzberger is consequential. She herself brings little or nothing to the table.

    Replies: @snorlax, @Mr. Anon

    It doesn’t matter what she brings to the table. It matters that she’s standing on it yelling.

  187. Kronos says:
    June 22, 2020 at 5:41 am GMT • 200 Words   
    @Colin Wright
    @Kronos

    'I’ve always been interested in the role of the European governments in the Civil War. Surely, British intelligence must’ve been heavily involved. A divided US would’ve been easier to deal with.'

    I think you mistakenly assume the rather rudimentary and modestly staffed governments of the time were anything like the magnificent, incredibly polydextrous, obscenely bloated entities that so closely supervise us today.

    'British intelligence' back then probably consisted of one cashiered colonel and his dog.

    'Well, what's Huxtable say'?

    'Not much of use, I'm afraid, sir. He's got the DT's again, A lot of material about great pink toads with shining eyes, if you'd like me to read it...'

    'Oh Lord no. Shall we just take the Americans' word for it, then?'

    Replies: @Kronos, @Wielgus

    ‘British intelligence’ back then probably consisted of one cashiered colonel and his dog.

    I’m not so sure.

    There wasn’t a truly publicly controlled government entity under the supervision of Parliament. (MI5 and MI6 weren’t created until the beginning of the 20th century.)

    But there were highly sophisticated private spy networks in the pay of industrial/financial interests. Think James Clavell’s “Tia-Pan.” You’d need a reliable communications network to operate your business from Hong Kong and understand (within reason) the changing prices in commodities in London. Surely, they’d have their own agents to send to monarchies and republics to influence trade agreements.

    Mail by 19th century boats is slow by modern standards, but if everyone is playing by that speed they use it regardless. Just because the technology “sucked” back then didn’t mean people were borderline retarded. Those with power and influence had feelers everywhere to understand what was the up-in-up.

    The Rothschilds made a killing after the 1815 Battle of Waterloo by possessing a superb intelligence network.

    (Sorry for the conspiratorial music but it’s short, concise, and details an elaborate intelligence network and political/economic maneuvering.)

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Kronos

    You may have a point -- but note that both your examples (one of which is fictional) refer to private businesses, not governments.

    Governments back then were very small -- and saw themselves as having a very limited remit. It was a real novelty when the British government interfered to prevent a private builder from constructing warships for the Confederate Navy.

  188. @Sean
    @Kronos

    If had not been for John Brown, the militias that coalesced into the Confederate army would not have existed, so there could have been no rebellion. There was, of course no chance of the South winning that war, none at all, but from a white supremacist view the Southern lifestyle of impregnating black 'wenches' continuing would have turned the entire country into lineal descendants of the Queen of Sheba. Like Jeff Davis's wife.

    https://i1.wp.com/blackmansstreet.today/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/vanna-howell-davis2-1-e1459300012637.jpg?w=491&ssl=1

    Despite being totally lacking in the basics of a military education or relevant experience, Lincoln appointed himself General in Chief, thus taking away command of the Western theatre from McClennan. Lincoln then further split the Western command, and then the Eastern gutting McClellan's Army Of the Potomac. Moreover, Lincoln had recruitment to the Northern armies halted; meanwhile the Confederates had introduced a draft. As far as is known, Grant did not see McClellan's plan for a coordinated attack on the South, but Grant's plan for winning the war bore a very close resemblance to McClellan's, which when he was able to put the Eastern part of it into operation came very close to total success.

    Replies: @Kronos, @68W58, @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous

    There was, of course no chance of the South winning that war[.]

    Assuming the British and French didn’t side with the Confederacy. I believe early on the CSA tried to involve them or at the very least use it as a bluff.

  189. Those who commit these crimes are Crinimals who ever they are all need to be arrested tried convicted and given time in prison dismissing the charges or ignoring it will only make them think they can get away with ths act of Vandalism

  190. @t
    https://twitter.com/Chicago_Scanner/status/1274504236613730305

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Prof. Woland

    Obama’s presidency is somewhat analogous to US Grant’s in the sense that Grant was always considered a hero and an honest man but he was completely over his head as President and unable to control is subordinates and as such, his administration was considered perhaps the most corrupt in American history even though he did not personally profit from it. This analogy might be charitable to Obama because his story is not over yet. With Obama, we could not write the first chapter because he successfully hid his past (so far) and we could not write the last chapter because the Russia-gate scandal is only now being revealed. If it comes out as accurate that he did spy domestically on his opponents he will be the eternal goat whereas Ulysses Grant was just a happy drunk and a weak sister.

    It might be a good idea to wait a while before we put up any Obama statues. If turns out he did cheat history will view him with much less sympathy than the guy who is getting pulled down now for just being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

  191. 68W58 says:
    @Sean
    @Kronos

    If had not been for John Brown, the militias that coalesced into the Confederate army would not have existed, so there could have been no rebellion. There was, of course no chance of the South winning that war, none at all, but from a white supremacist view the Southern lifestyle of impregnating black 'wenches' continuing would have turned the entire country into lineal descendants of the Queen of Sheba. Like Jeff Davis's wife.

    https://i1.wp.com/blackmansstreet.today/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/vanna-howell-davis2-1-e1459300012637.jpg?w=491&ssl=1

    Despite being totally lacking in the basics of a military education or relevant experience, Lincoln appointed himself General in Chief, thus taking away command of the Western theatre from McClennan. Lincoln then further split the Western command, and then the Eastern gutting McClellan's Army Of the Potomac. Moreover, Lincoln had recruitment to the Northern armies halted; meanwhile the Confederates had introduced a draft. As far as is known, Grant did not see McClellan's plan for a coordinated attack on the South, but Grant's plan for winning the war bore a very close resemblance to McClellan's, which when he was able to put the Eastern part of it into operation came very close to total success.

    Replies: @Kronos, @68W58, @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous

    “There was, of course no chance of the South winning that war, none at all…”

    If the idiot Bragg had listened to Forrest’s pleadings and followed up the victory at Chickamauga with an attack on Chattanooga and either captured or destroyed the Army of the Tennessee then maybe (and that maybe should be bolded, underlined and italicized) it would have pushed back the Union effort in the West (while the East was already stalemated) and maybe (with all the same qualifiers) McClellan would have won the election of 1864. That was probably the only real chance the rebels had and, as usual, they had the wrong man in command.

  192. @Jim Don Bob
    @William Badwhite


    So if you’re some drone that works in the Pentagon, the 50-mile drive from Fredericksburg can be hellish…unless you do it at say, 4 am. Into the office by 5, leave at 1pm. Beat traffic both ways. It seems like an awful existence, but obviously lots of people don’t agree with me.
     
    Lot of people do it because you can buy a townhouse in Fburg for 250k which won't buy you a studio condo in the closer in DC suburbs.

    There are 2 HOV lanes in between the north and south bound lanes of I-95 which reach almost to Fburg. The last Republican governor of Virginia made them HOV toll lanes 24/7 which has made the I-95 traffic much worse. The only time you can get anywhere driving around DC is between 10am and 2pm, and even that is problematic.

    Replies: @William Badwhite

    The only time you can get anywhere driving around DC is between 10am and 2pm, and even that is problematic.

    Yeah, Imperial Rome basically exploded in size post 9/11. Good thing we had a “conservative” Repub in the White House or it might really have gotten big

  193. @Colin Wright
    @Anonymous

    'Israel does show what can be done in the modern era if there are problematic people within your country.'

    Please don't conflate Israel with societies composed of decent human beings.

    Replies: @Gordo, @Reg Cæsar

    Please don’t conflate Israel with societies composed of decent human beings.

    Yes. Decent human beings don’t prohibit the consumption of pork, from the most civilized of animals. That’s a red flag right there.

    And nothing says “duplicity” like their writing in Satan’s direction rather than God’s, like the rest of the world does.

  194. @snorlax
    @Art Deco

    What happens if Nikole Hannah-Jones accuses A.G. Sulzberger of calling her the n-word or touching her breast? In other words, which of the two fears the other?

    An interesting thought experiment I heard a few years back is what if you put Stalin or Hitler in the middle of Times Square? They could bark orders at passersby all they want, but nobody would pay them any mind.

    People like Stalin and Hitler were only consequential because others chose to make them consequential. A.G. Sulzberger and others choose to make Nikole Hannah-Jones consequential, therefore she is consequential.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Reg Cæsar

    What happens if Nikole Hannah-Jones accuses A.G. Sulzberger of calling her the n-word or touching her breast?

    She won’t be writing any more columns. At least there.

  195. @Sean
    @Kronos

    If had not been for John Brown, the militias that coalesced into the Confederate army would not have existed, so there could have been no rebellion. There was, of course no chance of the South winning that war, none at all, but from a white supremacist view the Southern lifestyle of impregnating black 'wenches' continuing would have turned the entire country into lineal descendants of the Queen of Sheba. Like Jeff Davis's wife.

    https://i1.wp.com/blackmansstreet.today/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/vanna-howell-davis2-1-e1459300012637.jpg?w=491&ssl=1

    Despite being totally lacking in the basics of a military education or relevant experience, Lincoln appointed himself General in Chief, thus taking away command of the Western theatre from McClennan. Lincoln then further split the Western command, and then the Eastern gutting McClellan's Army Of the Potomac. Moreover, Lincoln had recruitment to the Northern armies halted; meanwhile the Confederates had introduced a draft. As far as is known, Grant did not see McClellan's plan for a coordinated attack on the South, but Grant's plan for winning the war bore a very close resemblance to McClellan's, which when he was able to put the Eastern part of it into operation came very close to total success.

    Replies: @Kronos, @68W58, @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous

    …meanwhile the Confederates had introduced a draft.

    Which exempted blacks. One of the greatest race treasons in history.

    White boys went out to die– of starvation more than bullets– while the darkies stayed home and played whist.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    @Reg Cæsar

    You think blacks would've fought for the Confederacy?

    ETA: Maybe if they were promised their own and their family's freedom. But that would sort have defeated the point from the Confederate perspective.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  196. @Reg Cæsar
    @Sean


    ...meanwhile the Confederates had introduced a draft.
     
    Which exempted blacks. One of the greatest race treasons in history.

    White boys went out to die-- of starvation more than bullets-- while the darkies stayed home and played whist.

    Replies: @snorlax

    You think blacks would’ve fought for the Confederacy?

    ETA: Maybe if they were promised their own and their family’s freedom. But that would sort have defeated the point from the Confederate perspective.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @snorlax


    You think blacks would’ve fought for the Confederacy?

     

    Of course not. But the fact that they wouldn't pretty much destroys whatever logic was behind the Confederacy. White boys die, black boys sit home, drink, and gamble. Not a recipe for success.


    What is defensible about any of this?
  197. @Kronos
    @Colin Wright


    ‘British intelligence’ back then probably consisted of one cashiered colonel and his dog.
     
    I’m not so sure.

    There wasn’t a truly publicly controlled government entity under the supervision of Parliament. (MI5 and MI6 weren’t created until the beginning of the 20th century.)

    But there were highly sophisticated private spy networks in the pay of industrial/financial interests. Think James Clavell’s “Tia-Pan.” You’d need a reliable communications network to operate your business from Hong Kong and understand (within reason) the changing prices in commodities in London. Surely, they’d have their own agents to send to monarchies and republics to influence trade agreements.

    https://static.rogerebert.com/uploads/movie/movie_poster/tai-pan-1986/large_cqYC8p22nbPU7o3xr0FiPeCPBRm.jpg

    Mail by 19th century boats is slow by modern standards, but if everyone is playing by that speed they use it regardless. Just because the technology “sucked” back then didn’t mean people were borderline retarded. Those with power and influence had feelers everywhere to understand what was the up-in-up.

    https://youtu.be/83EWR-vlz0I

    The Rothschilds made a killing after the 1815 Battle of Waterloo by possessing a superb intelligence network.

    https://youtu.be/nxOV-IyU7tU

    (Sorry for the conspiratorial music but it’s short, concise, and details an elaborate intelligence network and political/economic maneuvering.)

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    You may have a point — but note that both your examples (one of which is fictional) refer to private businesses, not governments.

    Governments back then were very small — and saw themselves as having a very limited remit. It was a real novelty when the British government interfered to prevent a private builder from constructing warships for the Confederate Navy.

  198. Wielgus says:
    June 22, 2020 at 9:10 pm GMT • 100 Words   
    @Colin Wright
    @Kronos

    'I’ve always been interested in the role of the European governments in the Civil War. Surely, British intelligence must’ve been heavily involved. A divided US would’ve been easier to deal with.'

    I think you mistakenly assume the rather rudimentary and modestly staffed governments of the time were anything like the magnificent, incredibly polydextrous, obscenely bloated entities that so closely supervise us today.

    'British intelligence' back then probably consisted of one cashiered colonel and his dog.

    'Well, what's Huxtable say'?

    'Not much of use, I'm afraid, sir. He's got the DT's again, A lot of material about great pink toads with shining eyes, if you'd like me to read it...'

    'Oh Lord no. Shall we just take the Americans' word for it, then?'

    Replies: @Kronos, @Wielgus

    About half a century earlier, John Quincy Adams was US envoy to the Netherlands, and taught himself Dutch by translating articles from Dutch news journals into English. Feeling that they should have an informative function, he posted his translations back to the US government. None of this was secret but he was probably rolled what would now be State Department and even CIA functions into that simple task. It was probably not much more developed in the US Civil War.

  199. vinteuil says:
    June 22, 2020 at 9:54 pm GMT • 100 Words   
    @syonredux
    Speaking of statues, Pushkin's The Bronze Horseman: A Petersburg Tale seems rather appropriate to the current hour:

    Pressed to the railings. Darkness filled
    His eyes. The prey of passions blazing
    Within him, he stood sullenly
    Before the royal effigy;
    And quivering with fury, raising
    His fist, as if compelled by some
    Dark force to blind, impulsive action,
    He hissed through teeth clenched in distraction:
    ‘You … builder of grand schemes! I’ll come
    And get you!’ – and then ran off, numb
    With terror from a sudden vision:
    He thought the fearsome tsar had turned
    By slow degrees his face, which burned
    With righteous anger and derision …
    And through that dark, deserted square
    Yevgeny ran, and was aware
    Of cumbrous hooves behind him pounding
    The roadway, crashing and resounding
    Like thunder in the still night air;

    For after him, with arm extended,
    The Bronze Colossus on its steed
    Charged at the gallop and offended
    The moonlit calm with its stampede.
    And then, no matter where he wended
    His way, he found that all night through –
    Poor, hapless wretch – he was attended
    By bronze hooves beating their tattoo.

    The Bronze Horseman: A Petersburg Tale (Russian: Медный всадник: Петербургская повесть Mednyy vsadnik: Peterburgskaya povest, literally: "The Copper Horseman") is a narrative poem written by Alexander Pushkin in 1833 about the equestrian statue of Peter the Great in Saint Petersburg and the great flood of 1824. While the poem was written in 1833, it was not published, in its entirety, until after his death as his work was under censorship due to the political nature of his other writings. Widely considered to be Pushkin's most successful narrative poem, The Bronze Horseman has had a lasting impact on Russian literature. The Pushkin critic A. D. P. Briggs praises the poem "as the best in the Russian language, and even the best poem written anywhere in the nineteenth century".[1] It is considered one of the most influential works in Russian literature, and is one of the reasons Pushkin is often called the “founder of modern Russian literature.”

     


    In Part II, Evgenii finds a ferryman and commands him to row to where Parasha's home used to be (ll. 26 – ll. 56). However, he discovers that her home has been destroyed (ll. 57–60), and falls into a crazed delirium and breaks into laughter (ll. 61–65). For a year, he roams the street as a madman (ll. 89–130), but the following autumn, he is reminded of the night of the storm (ll. 132–133) and the source of his troubles. In a fit of rage, he curses the statue of Peter (ll. 177–179), which brings the statue to life, and Peter begins pursuing Evgenii (ll. 180–196). The narrator does not describe Evgenii's death directly, but the poem closes with the discovery of his corpse in a ruined hut floating on the water (ll. 219–222).
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bronze_Horseman_(poem)#The_Bronze_Horseman


    http://harpers.org/wp-content/uploads/alexandre_benois_004.jpg



    http://www.saint-petersburg.com/images/walking-tours/french-walks/the-bronze-horseman-in-st-petersburg.jpg

    Replies: @vinteuil

    Any other year, I’d be just now arriving in Санкт-Петербург for the Mariinsky Theatre’s “Stars of the White Nights” festival, after a week in Budapest for the Wagner Days.

    Every day, I’d be walking by the “Bronze Horseman” monument to Peter the Great, on my way to the banks of the Neva in time for the firing of the gun at Noon…

    What a fascinating & insanely beautiful city it is!

    Anyway, it’s interesting that the Russians don’t seem to be much into tearing down monuments to past historical figures. At Finland Station, the genocidal maniac Lenin still gestures theatrically to the proletariat. Not far away, the evil bastard & butcher Felix Dzerzhinsky stands in an empty square, gazing malevolently toward Smolny Cathedral.

  200. ErisGuy says:
    June 22, 2020 at 9:56 pm GMT • 100 Words   

    I understand how a people could resent centuries of plunder, rape, and enslavement of their ancestors. I understand this people may not want the buildings and call for submission from those buildings to occupy any space in their homelands. Especially since no reparations, plus interest, have been paid.

    End the Islamic occupation of Europe now.

    We’ll liberate the Mediterranean littoral later, and restore it to its Christian, Greco-Roman heritage.

  201. Corvinus says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @fitzhamilton

    The CivNat force is strong in this one. "Can't we all just be Americans."

    People like you are why Whites are we are now. What a cuck and an embarrassment you are.

    I'd have more respect for you if I knew you were trolling everyone, but I'm afraid you might actually be serious.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “People like you are why Whites are we are now. What a cuck and an embarrassment you are.”

    Cuck is so 2016. It’s lost its luster. As far as whites are concerned, it’s no different back then as it is now–men and women making their own decisions about race and culture. It just bothers you that we are exercising our liberty. Well, it’s not going to change.

    “I’d have more respect for you if I knew you were trolling everyone, but I’m afraid you might actually be serious.”

    He is absolutely serious. You learn a thing or two there.

  202. @snorlax
    @Reg Cæsar

    You think blacks would've fought for the Confederacy?

    ETA: Maybe if they were promised their own and their family's freedom. But that would sort have defeated the point from the Confederate perspective.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    You think blacks would’ve fought for the Confederacy?

    Of course not. But the fact that they wouldn’t pretty much destroys whatever logic was behind the Confederacy. White boys die, black boys sit home, drink, and gamble. Not a recipe for success.

    What is defensible about any of this?

  203. @Prof. Woland
    I could see how this current meltdown could take a very nasty turn. Blacks do not have any monuments or businesses worth tearing down which protects them from cancel culture in part. But they tend to be over invested in black public figures who would be ripe for ridicule or taking down. Currently they are off limits with the MSM and big tech policing detractors. What I think we are seeing in part with BLM is an attempt to inoculate blacks from open criticism in any way. They are becoming powerful enough within the Democratic party that they cannot just be dismissed as pets that piss on the nation's carpet.

    We are likely to see a black female vice-president candidate shortly who will not automatically receive the same kid gloves treatment Obama did which will be devastating to the thin-skinned blacks that reflexively support their brothers and sisters. The only way the Democrats can win will be a bruised knuckle fight that if they do win, will leave approximately half the country openly mocking her. There will be no automatic respect something blacks crave and need only now it will be whites tearing them down just not with Molotov cocktails and bricks. They will be in the mosh pit with everyone else.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @no jack london

    After slow Joe pulls his William Henry Harrison act, we will see a black female president.

    • Replies: @Prof. Woland
    @no jack london

    I got a ration of shit on this blog for suggesting that Michele Obama might be the eventual nominee but think about it. Them Dems are currently clearing the path for her coronation, whatever black woman emerges. By making it heretical to attack blacks, the eventually nominee will be able to slide right in irrespective of how incompetent she may be.

  204. @Hibernian
    @Nicholas Stix

    Didn't the Sulzberger family, or at least someone in the family, keep some percentage of NYT through the Carlos slim era?

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Nicholas Stix

    In 1992, the late Punch Sulzberger, who was a Jew and a WWII hero, handed the reins to his Episcopalian Communist son, Pinch. Three years ago, Pinch handed the reins to his gentile son.

  205. ******

  206. @no jack london
    @Prof. Woland

    After slow Joe pulls his William Henry Harrison act, we will see a black female president.

    Replies: @Prof. Woland

    I got a ration of shit on this blog for suggesting that Michele Obama might be the eventual nominee but think about it. Them Dems are currently clearing the path for her coronation, whatever black woman emerges. By making it heretical to attack blacks, the eventually nominee will be able to slide right in irrespective of how incompetent she may be.

  207. Anonymous[221] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean
    @Kronos

    If had not been for John Brown, the militias that coalesced into the Confederate army would not have existed, so there could have been no rebellion. There was, of course no chance of the South winning that war, none at all, but from a white supremacist view the Southern lifestyle of impregnating black 'wenches' continuing would have turned the entire country into lineal descendants of the Queen of Sheba. Like Jeff Davis's wife.

    https://i1.wp.com/blackmansstreet.today/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/vanna-howell-davis2-1-e1459300012637.jpg?w=491&ssl=1

    Despite being totally lacking in the basics of a military education or relevant experience, Lincoln appointed himself General in Chief, thus taking away command of the Western theatre from McClennan. Lincoln then further split the Western command, and then the Eastern gutting McClellan's Army Of the Potomac. Moreover, Lincoln had recruitment to the Northern armies halted; meanwhile the Confederates had introduced a draft. As far as is known, Grant did not see McClellan's plan for a coordinated attack on the South, but Grant's plan for winning the war bore a very close resemblance to McClellan's, which when he was able to put the Eastern part of it into operation came very close to total success.

    Replies: @Kronos, @68W58, @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous

    That (hilarious) picture is actually fake. You can see the original on the Varina Davis Wiki page.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Anonymous

    Fake is putting it too strongly. On Wikipedia her swollen lower lip and prominent wide spaced eyes are extremely unusual for a European. She definitely had a very dark complexion according to people at the time. She was illegitimate, seventeen years old, and from a financially embarrassed family. Antebellum concubinage was matched by the startling liberties that black slaves were allowed to take with poor white girls, but it was only after slavery that the common people's resentment expressed itself. Davis looks raddled for 37.

  208. Dave Pinsen Retweeted:
    https://twitter.com/CityBureaucrat/status/1276230184283357185

  209. Sean says:
    June 28, 2020 at 1:27 am GMT • 100 Words   
    @Anonymous
    @Sean

    That (hilarious) picture is actually fake. You can see the original on the Varina Davis Wiki page.

    Replies: @Sean

    Fake is putting it too strongly. On Wikipedia her swollen lower lip and prominent wide spaced eyes are extremely unusual for a European. She definitely had a very dark complexion according to people at the time. She was illegitimate, seventeen years old, and from a financially embarrassed family. Antebellum concubinage was matched by the startling liberties that black slaves were allowed to take with poor white girls, but it was only after slavery that the common people’s resentment expressed itself. Davis looks raddled for 37.

  210. Rod Dreher Retweeted:

  211. @William Badwhite
    @donut

    and then my Commenters to Ignore grew by one

    Replies: @donut

    Yeah , you go ahead and put me on you ignore list William Goodwhite .

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