NYC Schools Chancellor Richard Carranza has made whiteness ‘toxic’, DOE insiders claim
By Susan Edelman May 18, 2019 | 6:26pm | UpdatedWhiteness has become “toxic” under schools Chancellor Richard Carranza’s regime, insiders charge.
At least four top Department of Education executives who have been demoted or stripped of duties under Carranza’s sweeping reorganization are poised to sue the city, claiming he has created “an environment which is hostile toward whites,” a source told The Post.
The women — all white, veteran administrators — contend they were pushed aside for less qualified persons of color.
“These decisions are being made because DOE leadership believes that skin color plays a role in how to get equity — that white people can’t convey the message,” said a source familiar with the complaints.
“There’s a toxic whiteness concept going on.” …
Under Carranza’s leadership, sources said, whites, in some cases, are being told they must give up power or lose responsibilities no matter how well they have performed. …
Meanwhile, the DOE has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on consultants to coach supervisors on how to “disrupt the power structure and dismantle institutional racism,” a supervisor said.
“There’s been a lot of discussion of white supremacy and how it manifests in the workplace, conversations about race, and looking at how the white culture behaves,” said a white executive who received the training.
“White supremacy is characterized by perfectionism, a belief in meritocracy, and the Protestant work ethic,” the exec said, adding that whites who object when accused of deep-rooted bias are called “fragile” and “defensive.”
“Can you imagine if we scrutinized blackness or brownness? We’re being trained in anti-bias not to stereotype blacks, but they’re fostering a stereotyping of whites.”
Besides the four administrators who have signed up to sue the city, others may file Equal Employment Opportunity discrimination complaints, insiders said.
Several of the women work in Carranza’s new School Climate and Wellness division led by his appointee, deputy chancellor LaShawn Robinson.
That division includes the Office of Equity and Access, led by senior executive director Ruby Ababio-Fernandez, appointed by Robinson. Both women are African-American.The office has adopted “Courageous Conversation,” a protocol for training on racism in the workplace founded by Glenn Singleton, the president of Pacific Educational Group Inc.
The DOE has contracted the company for $775,000 in services, paying $582,603 to date, records compiled by the City Comptroller show.
Singleton’s protocol defines racism as: “Any act that even unwittingly tolerates, accepts or reinforces racially unequal opportunities or outcomes for children to learn and thrive.”
“Whiteness” is defined as: “The component of each and every one of ourselves that expects assimilation to the dominant culture.” …
Another consultant hired by the office is Darnisa Amante, CEO and founder of Disruptive Equity Education Project, or DEEP. The DOE has contracted the outfit for $175,000, paying $54,200 so far, records show.
“We work together to change mindsets around equity and dismantling systemic oppression and racism,” Amante is quoted on the DEEP website.
“They’ve trained people in these approaches — interrogating whiteness, examining its relationship to power and privilege,” said the DOE exec who had training.
“The intent is to create a shared understanding. They believe this is positive and helpful. But it’s resulted in a hostile environment where whites are subject to being criticized, belittled and harassed.

This is actually responsible government. Voters in NYC, surely including the people who are suing, voted for far left politicians that explicitly ran on a platform of reducing white influence in institutions.
Kudos to Carranza for doing exactly what he said he would do.
Same with the earlier thread about the black ladies graduating from West Point. I'd love for test scores to be made available to the public. Thirty-something is still a relatively small number, but it's probably still too many. To take another tack, McCain liked to portray himself as a youthful screwup, but he was in all liklihood a middling intellect.
This whole ed. thing is still white people fighting other white people. Blacks did better under Jim Crow, but you'd never know it, and if you're under 40 to even hear something like that is heresy.Replies: @SFG
He and his wife are now going after the top employees of museums and other not for profit institutions which is big business in NYC. He thinks they are not 'diverse' enough...
I say good...Again more consequences that must be suffered before reality sets in...
They have to learn!
Buffalo’s former School Superintendent, Pamela Brown, was so defecient that the School Board, with prompting from the State DOE, hired a mentor to help her. Eventually the School Board bought out her contract for $230k plus. She was hired so the black kids could relate to her. Diversity, ain’t it grand.
Educated, well-intentioned good girl in our town
I wonder where I'd be today if she had loved me too
Probably be driving kids to school
I guess I owe it all to Pamela Brown
All of my good times, all my roamin' around
One of these days I might be in your town
And I guess I owe it all to Pamela Brown
Seen the lights of cities and I've been inside their doors
Sailed to foreign countries and walked upon their shores
I guess the guy she married was the best part of my luck
She dug him cause he drove a pickup truck
I guess I owe it all to Pamela Brown
All of my good times, all my roamin' around
One of these days I might be in your town
And I guess I owe it all to Pamela Brown
I don't have to tell you just how beautiful she was
Everything it takes to get a guy like me in love
Lord, I hope she's happy 'cause she sure deserves to be
Especially for what she did for me.
I guess I owe it all to Pamela Brown
All of my good times, all my roamin' around
One of these days I might be in your town
And I guess I owe it all to Pamela BrownReplies: @Buffalo Joe, @Achmed E. Newman
Maybe when the Chinese own the coastal regions of Washington, Oregon and California we can get a witness. But until then...
Seems like a case of the Bolsheviks eliminating the Mensheviks.
Albert Shanker tried to head this off when tbe demographics were still plausibly favorable.
https://youtu.be/ngizj5FIcjo
Exactly.
The Chinese must be laughing so hard.
OT: I don’t know what to make of this, but the trend indicates something. (HT Razib Khan Twitter)
Names of top tier lacrosse (the whitest significant team sport) players.
https://twitter.com/kittygaga_/status/1129077402821451777
Quinn (m) 311/384
Declan 384/101
Holden 453/216
Dallas 309/287
Colby 234/594
(Colby jumped to #99 in 2001, then dropped again. What was that about?)
Tanner 93/302
Kadin 856/988
Whitten, Wheaton, Corson, and Taggart did not make the top 1,000 either year. The others appear to be diminutives, but we don't know what they're short for.Replies: @Polearm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKrpl-KBTzQ
You know you're getting old when you remember a time when Sean Penn was cool and Prince was considered weirder than Michael Jackson.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
As a legacy American who has been thrown under the affirmative action bus by self serving management (they were white) I can only say tough. White women in New York City education, self serving liberals guaranteed wouldn’t give a working white guy the time of day, but fawn all over every border jumper. Tough luck Becky no one is coming to help, we’ll maybe a Kenyan with a pillow.
C'mon man. Don't un-ironically use their slur. Go with Karen or something.
I extend the same compassion to you and yours that you generously tendered to "Becky". After all, maybe "Becky" can be salvaged and be brought back into the fold, whereas buying your "hey, fellow white guys, I'm just like you" okeydoke was what triggered this death-spiral in the first place!
Albert Shanker tried to head this off when tbe demographics were still plausibly favorable.Replies: @Daniel H, @Kaganovitch, @Ibound1, @midtown
“……..According to history over 100 years ago a man named Albert Shanker got hold of a nuclear warhead…”
“Seems like a case of the Bolsheviks eliminating the Mensheviks.”
It’s a conceit of the modern age that different groups in close proximity can exist in peaceful harmony in perpetuity. If the differences are significant, there will be competition. Then there will be animosity. Eventually, one group will win out and destroy the other group. Our constitution was supposed to prevent that, and it did back when the differences were relatively more minor and communications and travel were more difficult, but intractable racial differences will put an end to that. The constitution is just a piece of paper, after all, as W. Bush said. Without some self-restraint, which previously came from shared identity, the system will not last.
But when the money starts running out...
It sounds like Carranza and Singleton’s “culture” is the dominant one in the department. As in BDSM.
This Carranza dude looks pretty conquistadorish. Just sayin’.
Names of top tier lacrosse (the whitest significant team sport) players.
https://twitter.com/kittygaga_/status/1129077402821451777Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Kaganovitch, @The Wild Geese Howard, @anon, @Laugh Track, @Buffalo Joe, @renault
Rankings for 2000 and 2018. from ssa.gov:
Quinn (m) 311/384
Declan 384/101
Holden 453/216
Dallas 309/287
Colby 234/594
(Colby jumped to #99 in 2001, then dropped again. What was that about?)
Tanner 93/302
Kadin 856/988
Whitten, Wheaton, Corson, and Taggart did not make the top 1,000 either year. The others appear to be diminutives, but we don’t know what they’re short for.
(Colby jumped to #99 in 2001, then dropped again. What was that about?)"In 2000, the #1 TV show in America was season 2 of Survivor. The runner-up was named Colby.Replies: @Days of Broken Arrows, @Cortes
OT
I read something absolutely stunning yesterday: The black-white gap has been completely closed. The cure has been discovered, and the only thing standing in the way of the complete elimination of affirmative action is an evil group of anti-union activists.
But I get ahead of myself.
Bernie Sanders Wants to Destroy the Best Schools Poor Urban Kids Have
by Jonathan Chait
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/05/bernie-wants-to-destroy-the-best-schools-poor-city-kids-have.html
Imagine my shock when, while reading the above referenced article in New York magazine, I chanced upon this:
Clicking on the link from the word eliminate I found myself at an article also written by Mr. Chait that is one-and-a-half years old.
Charters Didn’t Cause Segregation. They’re a Solution for Its Victims.
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2017/12/charters-didnt-cause-segregation-they-help-its-victims.html
The cure has been known for over one-and-half years, and it has not yet been rolled out nationwide? I was temporarily stunned, but I pulled myself out of it to read the details.
Tremble, ye whities! You are soon going to be “outscored” by black students!
Students with disabilities and English-language learners at Success Academy outperform those at traditional schools by even larger margins.
… and really outscored by disabled Spanish speakers!
After more than half a century of frantic and fruitless research and study by thousands of experts, what on earth did the cure turn out to be? Returning to Mr. Chait:
To wit:
1. A health gap
2. A nutrition gap
3. A parental involvement gap
4. A community expectations gap
5. The lack of an orderly school environment
6. Less exposure to vocabulary
7. Less access to books
8. Unspecified “other things”
That’s it? That’s all? Haven’t we heard all that before? And it seems like last year Eric Levitz at New York (he sits a few desks over from Mr. Chait, next to the Catskill Spring Water cooler) was telling us:
Maybe lead was cause No. 8?
Let’s forget about Mr. Levitz for now and get back to Mr. Chait.
So their are seven major causes of the achievement gap, which I think can be boiled down to:
1. Health and nutrition. Black kids are starving and undernourished, probably suffering from scurvy, rickets, and beriberi. Somehow we have been led to believe that they are getting free and nutritious breakfasts and lunches on the taxpayer’s dime, but either that is a lie, or it’s their *dinners.* So I wonder: Does Success Academy server dinner?
2. Parental involvment, vocabulary, and books. Perhaps a free set of an African-American literature book set can be distributed, along with specially commission rap songs that use a wide vocabulary of big words (“I’m a extirpate yo’ gluteus maximus, nigga!”), plus a partental involvement guide (“Whip ’em good if they don’t be reading.”)
3. Community expectations. I’m not sure what this is, but perhaps Success Academy is paying local community gang members to tattoo (“Study yo’ books, nigga” on their foreheads).
4. An orderly school environment. This is a tough one, but allow me to throw out a modest proposal: When a kid slugs a teacher, expel him and file a police report. Then sue the family and the school for medical exepenses. Garnish the prison license plate wages of the perp.
At any rate, having read all this I wondered why this miracle of Success Academy has not been spread throughout the land. Trump-era racism? Not so, according to Chait. The villains are progressive union supporters. If only school teachers could be fired and replaced with young SJW TFA kids, who are not jaded and uppity – well, not jaded at least – the cure could be implemented everywhere.
As a coda to his article Chait lets us in on a minor fly in the ointment: An “army” of skeptical researchers has “tried to poke holes” in claims of a cure, and these nattering nabobs of negativism have “dominated media coverage,” including at the Atlantic and the New Yorker. Among the tactics used by these saboteurs is pointing out that only three in ten graduates of Success Academy type schools graduate from college. Within six years.
By the way, how do we know that the gap has been closed? Is a standardized test given to students in charters and in public schools? Which test? Are we sure that the comparison is apples-to-apples? But these articles are written for laymen, so Chait merely cites “rigorous studies,” linking to a New York Times article, an opinion piece by a researcher, which takes me to a rabbit hole I don’t have time to go down. Chait’s wife works in the charter industry, so perhaps he’s just taking her word on it.
I looked around a bit and think these bits of information about Success Academy Charter Schools in New York might cast some light. First, some proficiency data for each of their schools:
https://www.suny.edu/about/leadership/board-of-trustees/meetings/webcastdocs/D_Success%20Academy%20Charter%20Schools%20-%20Performance%20and%20Demographics.pdf
What struck me there is that the oldest class in their first charter Harlem 1 (CSD 3) is an obvious outlier in English Language Arts proficiency (94% in grade 8, next highest was 65% and lowest was 48%). That might be an indicator of effective schooling over the years, but I think the big difference between grades 7 and 8 is more a sign of being especially selective when choosing that first group. Math proficiency scores are almost all above 90% in that document which means there is not much useful information in those (though it does make me wonder about how rigorous the test is).
This NYT articles from about six months before your link gives some perspective about their second oldest charter Harlem 4 (CSD 3) which also happens to have an ELA proficiency of 81% in their oldest grade 6 and 47% in grade 5.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/07/nyregion/at-success-academy-charter-schools-polarizing-methods-and-superior-results.html
First the good (and this counteracts my cherry picking schools/grades and math ceiling concerns above to some degree, though not the possibility of systematic cheating): If you wanted to design a system for encouraging teachers to cheat, could you do better than the following? This sounds helpful (though draconian): This is a good partial explanation for higher performance, though actual numbers would help: As usual with the NYT, we get to more interesting information near the bottom of the article: Seems like a good example to raise whenever "excessive" suspension rates are being criticized.Replies: @Jack D, @Anon
Albert Shanker tried to head this off when tbe demographics were still plausibly favorable.Replies: @Daniel H, @Kaganovitch, @Ibound1, @midtown
Seems like a case of the Bolsheviks eliminating the Mensheviks.
Exactly.
Names of top tier lacrosse (the whitest significant team sport) players.
https://twitter.com/kittygaga_/status/1129077402821451777Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Kaganovitch, @The Wild Geese Howard, @anon, @Laugh Track, @Buffalo Joe, @renault
Where is Haven M.??
It’s hard for me to feel any sympathy for educational administrators. If they would all eat each other that would be nice.
The charters do better than public schools segregated or not. But Carranza thinks integration is more important than a good education. THAT is the problem. There is more than one way to achieve the o-bjective which is a good education for all children. He says in an oped today in NY DAILY NEWS that integrated public schools provide better education for minorities. OK but Charter schools are doing much better than them - NYC gov keeps trying to shut down charters. They SHOULD be putting them in the public schools (which they do) and give all the kids the same equipment in the building - same as charter students, and use charter classrooms as examples for the other teachers. Since they succeed. But success is not his priority, as it is not DeBlasio's . Parental choice should be a right. Parents have a right to get good education for their kids. If they want a charter let them have it. We also need parental monitors in ALL the schools because one of the reasons their students are failing is that they are guinea pigs in social engineering indoctrination INSTEAD Of actual skills like READING>
I had a conversation with a teaching college grad who did not take one class in teaching reading. it is all social engineering nonsense.
The charters actually teach reading, math etc and real subjects, not social engineering baloney. That is why kids do better.
Look who is head of the NYC teachers union - a gay woman married to a woman who is a rabbi. THIS is why they support this baloney.
NYC public schools is teaching kids that ANAL SEX IS NORMAL and there are 30 genders. No kid would buy this but they want them all to smoke pot so they will be hypnotized to believe anything. So the same idiots promote LEGAL POT. If it is legal ALL 14 year olds will smoke it. THe NYC high schools are already having problems with kids vaping and smoking in school. But instead of workign harder to dissuade kids from using drugs, they give up and say well let them do it. just dont send them to jail. make it legal. Well then the kids will end up in jail on actual criminal charges instead, since pot makes people think, say and do stupid things. and commit crimes to get money for drugs. Ask any cop what percentage of people they arrest for crimes are also on drugs or drunk A lot.
I read an article that said their idea of toxic whiteness is defined as PERFECTIONISM, MERITOCRACY and something else. Whats wrong with meritocracy?
WHY Do Asian kids in NY do better on the tests to get into the specialized high schools, when they come from poor families and their parents don't speak english?
Has something to do with the fact that the black community has more drug use and instead of working to stop it they are encouraging it.
When kids are high they do not learn > I spoke to a 15 year old who told me he went to school high. it causes memory loss. the schoold need to prioritze warning kids NOT to use drugs - then their brains will work better
Carranza is a musician. God brought him to NYC to promote music for all kids. THAT will improve everyone's lives. It keeps kids out of trouble, away from drugs, gangs, and helps their skills in other areas. .
Kudos to Carranza for doing exactly what he said he would do.Replies: @Mr McKenna, @South Texas Guy, @NYMOM
Sound like the ‘leadership’ is perfectly in tune with the zeitgeist. Were the complainants born yesterday, or just when they figured out this might affect them personally?
Mayor DeBlasio, reached for comment, added, “I’m just gonna ride this one as far as I can–maybe all the way to the White House! How’s that third-world immigration thing going?”
Also notice here that the Whites were pushed out of jobs in a division that includes the Office of Equity and Access. They were happy to ride the zeitgeist until they found themselves on the part of the tail being swallowed.
As if New York freakin’ City were some scrappy little backwater.
OT
There seems to be a major media trend of outsourcing the doxing of barbecue beckies by including audio of 911 calls for readers to try to identify.
But it’s spread to the persecutors of wronged Muslims now:
An Egyptian-Born Comic Joked About Race. Someone in the Crowd Called the Police.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/16/us/ahmed-ahmed-jokes-comedy.html
The comedian Ahmed Ahmed poked fun at negative stereotypes of Middle Eastern people. An audience member lodged an anonymous complaint.
Ahmed was finked on for doing terroism comedy while Muslim.
And the New York Times, rather than transcribe relevant sections of the 911 call, puts a convenient audio player right in the middle of the article.
The cops are quickly getting woke over these incidents. Especially, as is the case here, when the victim has his moblile phone video camera rolling as the deputies roll up.
“White supremacy is characterized by perfectionism, a belief in meritocracy, and the Protestant work ethic,”
Guilty as charged…
It's way over the top for teachers to fight ignorance every day only to come face to face with it being supersaturated in overpaid, incompetent, corrupt, administrators.
The plaintiffs are all women. Being female gives them some cover. I suppose the last of the white men were purged long ago in NYC schools.
Tough luck for these Beckys.
They can join the Beckyverse of bloggers that appear to exist for every imaginable topic out there.
Bret Weinstein, of Evergreen State College fame, provides an excellent summary of the mentality which has infiltrated the NYC school system here:
Crucial points for this case is that the “arguments” described above, the arguments which are used by the Intersectional Left (the SJW’s, the “Regressive Left,” the Radicals, or whatever you might want to call them), are not arguments so much as tactics which they are using in a broader cultural fight.
Another point is that the Intersectional Left is changing definitions for key terms such as ‘racism’ and ‘white supremacy’ and setting the bar for qualifying as a racist or as a white supremacist so low that one has no choice but to be one. Here is an example of this from the article: “Whiteness” is defined as: “The component of each and every one of ourselves that expects assimilation to the dominant culture.” This isn’t an argument – it’s a linguistic trap. If one accepts this definition, one may then be called a “white supremacist” for expecting, say, immigrants to learn English. Furthermore, once this definition is established you must not only disagree with anyone who says “immigrants should learn English” you must confront people who say such things – or else you are branded as a white supremacist (you are allowing the culture of “white supremacy” to proceed unchallenged). This definition, by the way, is why black conservatives may fairly be tarred as white supremacists.
By the way, the people pushing this view are in charge of a lot of the educational systems in this country – so merely complaining about it or holding to your own definitions is meaningless. Their definitions will be the accepted ones if they win. And those definitions will be codified in law and used to come after you.
Don’t believe me? Here’s a push in congress already which takes some steps in this very direction: https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/5/text
(Example: “Discrimination can occur on the basis of the sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, or pregnancy, childbirth, or a related medical condition of an individual, as well as because of sex-based stereotypes. Each of these factors alone can serve as the basis for discrimination, and each is a form of sex discrimination.”)
Weinstein speaks of “bigots of color” being primary drivers behind this movement, and the article above certainly suggests that this is what we have in the NYC school system as well: “These decisions are being made because DOE leadership believes that skin color plays a role in how to get equity — that white people can’t convey the message,” said a source familiar with the complaints.
“There’s a toxic whiteness concept going on.” Under the cover of “equity” and fairness they are allowing bigotry against whites to gain power and fester. And this system is educating vast numbers of young New Yorkers. I’m not sure how that’s anything but a disaster not only for New York but for our society.
In any event, it is not an option merely to shrug one’s shoulders or to “let the Left eat itself” because this is an ongoing battle within the Left and within our culture and it has profound implications for what kind of society we will have moving forward. You may not care about intersectionalism, but rest assured it cares about you. And it hates you. For my part, I’m paying attention to this suit and I’m hoping the plaintiffs are as successful as possible. I think there are enough reasonable people left that this kind of bigotry can be resisted if it is recognized for what it is.
Names of top tier lacrosse (the whitest significant team sport) players.
https://twitter.com/kittygaga_/status/1129077402821451777Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Kaganovitch, @The Wild Geese Howard, @anon, @Laugh Track, @Buffalo Joe, @renault
Spicoli explains these names perfectly at 0:35:
You know you’re getting old when you remember a time when Sean Penn was cool and Prince was considered weirder than Michael Jackson.
The best part about this is that Steve doesn’t need to add anything. iSteve content writes itself now!
Names of top tier lacrosse (the whitest significant team sport) players.
https://twitter.com/kittygaga_/status/1129077402821451777Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Kaganovitch, @The Wild Geese Howard, @anon, @Laugh Track, @Buffalo Joe, @renault
Take a pool of 1,000+ people, pull out the 10 strangest.
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2010/11/22/us/BELL/BELL-jumbo.jpg
https://newinnolablog.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/img_6396-2-e1421671530927.jpg?w=672
OT: due to “labor shortages,” fast food companies trying new strategy – paying people for working!:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2019-05-17/new-perk-for-fast-food-workers-finish-a-shift-get-cash-to-go
>Becky
C’mon man. Don’t un-ironically use their slur. Go with Karen or something.
Story by Susan (((Edelman)))huh?
I wonder if Susan Edelman is interested because the 4 white lady administrators had names that rhyme with (((Edelman)))?
I mean white people losing jobs to Mexicans, China, minority contractors, minorities with less qualifications, offshoring, and excessive E.P.A. regulations never bothered the NYT, but these 4 do? Hmmm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKrpl-KBTzQ
You know you're getting old when you remember a time when Sean Penn was cool and Prince was considered weirder than Michael Jackson.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
Or when Penn (on screen) and Prince (in real life) tried to pass as Italian.
It's a conceit of the modern age that different groups in close proximity can exist in peaceful harmony in perpetuity. If the differences are significant, there will be competition. Then there will be animosity. Eventually, one group will win out and destroy the other group. Our constitution was supposed to prevent that, and it did back when the differences were relatively more minor and communications and travel were more difficult, but intractable racial differences will put an end to that. The constitution is just a piece of paper, after all, as W. Bush said. Without some self-restraint, which previously came from shared identity, the system will not last.Replies: @JimB, @bomag
The Cholosheviks are eliminating the White army.
Quinn (m) 311/384
Declan 384/101
Holden 453/216
Dallas 309/287
Colby 234/594
(Colby jumped to #99 in 2001, then dropped again. What was that about?)
Tanner 93/302
Kadin 856/988
Whitten, Wheaton, Corson, and Taggart did not make the top 1,000 either year. The others appear to be diminutives, but we don't know what they're short for.Replies: @Polearm
“Colby 234/594
(Colby jumped to #99 in 2001, then dropped again. What was that about?)”
In 2000, the #1 TV show in America was season 2 of Survivor. The runner-up was named Colby.
For those uncomfortable with discussing racial differences, and instead point to cultural ones as the reasons for group differences, the above quote could really sum up why the USA, Canada and Oz are heads and shoulders above the Latin new world. Yet in our bizzaro world those attributes are demeaned.
It’s a shame Latin nations don’t adopt those precepts. If it really is nurture over nature, they might do well emulating the gringos. If they don’t choose to follow them, they should stay put in their nations and not worry about it.
I wonder if Susan Edelman is interested because the 4 white lady administrators had names that rhyme with (((Edelman)))?
I mean white people losing jobs to Mexicans, China, minority contractors, minorities with less qualifications, offshoring, and excessive E.P.A. regulations never bothered the NYT, but these 4 do? HmmmReplies: @JimB, @Simon, @anon
I feel some sympathy for these white administrators, but seriously, they should have seen the misspelled, ungrammatical hand writing on the wall when De Blasio got elected mayor. Hell, they probably voted for him.
So I guess what they’re all saying is that whites are absolutely essential to make schools start learning and create a safe learning environment, so long as whites are only students (who don’t answer to many questions in class) and taxpayers. The minute whites go from being merely taxpayers and students to taking paying jobs or any kind of position of power, whites become “toxic.”
If Richard Carranza, the son of Mexican immigrants, believes whiteness to be “toxic,” perhaps he can lay off all his white teachers and run his schools with only black and Hispanic teachers and no white tax dollars.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Carranza
I'll bet that would significantly change his opinion of charter schools (like Success Academy above).
https://www.chalkbeat.org/posts/ny/2018/09/26/as-operators-tout-their-scores-de-blasio-and-carranza-draw-a-firm-line-against-more-charter-schools/
Yeah, but the results would be very different if you chose another 1000+ people. Say, in Bell, California, or 15th Ward New Orleans.
Names of top tier lacrosse (the whitest significant team sport) players.
https://twitter.com/kittygaga_/status/1129077402821451777Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Kaganovitch, @The Wild Geese Howard, @anon, @Laugh Track, @Buffalo Joe, @renault
I’m smelling a hoax.
I wonder if Susan Edelman is interested because the 4 white lady administrators had names that rhyme with (((Edelman)))?
I mean white people losing jobs to Mexicans, China, minority contractors, minorities with less qualifications, offshoring, and excessive E.P.A. regulations never bothered the NYT, but these 4 do? HmmmReplies: @JimB, @Simon, @anon
Except it wasn’t the New York Times, nitwit, it was the Post.
2. A nutrition gap
3. A parental involvement gap
4. A community expectations gap
5. The lack of an orderly school environment
6. Less exposure to vocabulary
7. Less access to books
8. Unspecified "other things"That's it? That's all? Haven't we heard all that before? And it seems like last year Eric Levitz at New York (he sits a few desks over from Mr. Chait, next to the Catskill Spring Water cooler) was telling us: Maybe lead was cause No. 8?Let's forget about Mr. Levitz for now and get back to Mr. Chait.So their are seven major causes of the achievement gap, which I think can be boiled down to:1. Health and nutrition. Black kids are starving and undernourished, probably suffering from scurvy, rickets, and beriberi. Somehow we have been led to believe that they are getting free and nutritious breakfasts and lunches on the taxpayer's dime, but either that is a lie, or it's their *dinners.* So I wonder: Does Success Academy server dinner?2. Parental involvment, vocabulary, and books. Perhaps a free set of an African-American literature book set can be distributed, along with specially commission rap songs that use a wide vocabulary of big words ("I'm a extirpate yo' gluteus maximus, nigga!"), plus a partental involvement guide ("Whip 'em good if they don't be reading.")3. Community expectations. I'm not sure what this is, but perhaps Success Academy is paying local community gang members to tattoo ("Study yo' books, nigga" on their foreheads).4. An orderly school environment. This is a tough one, but allow me to throw out a modest proposal: When a kid slugs a teacher, expel him and file a police report. Then sue the family and the school for medical exepenses. Garnish the prison license plate wages of the perp.At any rate, having read all this I wondered why this miracle of Success Academy has not been spread throughout the land. Trump-era racism? Not so, according to Chait. The villains are progressive union supporters. If only school teachers could be fired and replaced with young SJW TFA kids, who are not jaded and uppity - well, not jaded at least - the cure could be implemented everywhere.As a coda to his article Chait lets us in on a minor fly in the ointment: An "army" of skeptical researchers has "tried to poke holes" in claims of a cure, and these nattering nabobs of negativism have "dominated media coverage," including at the Atlantic and the New Yorker. Among the tactics used by these saboteurs is pointing out that only three in ten graduates of Success Academy type schools graduate from college. Within six years.By the way, how do we know that the gap has been closed? Is a standardized test given to students in charters and in public schools? Which test? Are we sure that the comparison is apples-to-apples? But these articles are written for laymen, so Chait merely cites "rigorous studies," linking to a New York Times article, an opinion piece by a researcher, which takes me to a rabbit hole I don't have time to go down. Chait's wife works in the charter industry, so perhaps he's just taking her word on it.Replies: @Laugh Track, @Jack D, @ATBOTL, @res, @Bugg, @Oleaginous Outrager
Jeebers, bro, you need a blog of your own! Very interesting observations and analysis, but running this stuff in iSteve comments as an Anon is equivalent to burying it alive. Still, I appreciate the insights.
That would be another interesting topic that I have not seen discussed.
1. It sounds like white SJW ladies are being purged. Ha ha ha!
2. This could intertwine with de Blasio’s mayoral campaign in nice ways. Can’t wait for Trump’s tweets.
3. When most of the top people are black, what happens? Corruption, non-competitive bidding contractors, rules ignored like they were mere barbecue rules, nepotism, salary inflation, use of employer property for private purposes, weird “business trips,” missing expense receipts, and so on. So we just have to sit back for a while until it explodes and white people reappear.
I wonder if Susan Edelman is interested because the 4 white lady administrators had names that rhyme with (((Edelman)))?
I mean white people losing jobs to Mexicans, China, minority contractors, minorities with less qualifications, offshoring, and excessive E.P.A. regulations never bothered the NYT, but these 4 do? HmmmReplies: @JimB, @Simon, @anon
the (((edelman))) article is from the NY Post if that makes a difference
The New York Post and the Daily Mail.
If you had told me ten years ago that I would be depending on these newspapers for reliable news over the New York Times and the Washington Post, I would have laughed.
The Daily Mail take just quotes from the Post, but adds color from past stories.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7045705/NYC-schools-chancellor-accused-branding-whiteness-toxic.html
They can join the Beckyverse of bloggers that appear to exist for every imaginable topic out there.Replies: @Simon Tugmutton
Or maybe they could learn to code.
Kudos to Carranza for doing exactly what he said he would do.Replies: @Mr McKenna, @South Texas Guy, @NYMOM
The heartache here is that it takes at least a few, maybe more, years to reverse the damage. Late 90s NYC was finally up and running again, but after Bloomberg, the lefties thought it safe to revert to form.
Same with the earlier thread about the black ladies graduating from West Point. I’d love for test scores to be made available to the public. Thirty-something is still a relatively small number, but it’s probably still too many. To take another tack, McCain liked to portray himself as a youthful screwup, but he was in all liklihood a middling intellect.
This whole ed. thing is still white people fighting other white people. Blacks did better under Jim Crow, but you’d never know it, and if you’re under 40 to even hear something like that is heresy.
The city started declining in the 60s, so it can take a few decades.
The JC thing: thing is, the black upper middle and upper classes did a lot worse back then, and they're the ones with the megaphone. Family breakdown is more of a lower-middle and lower class problem.
You could take 'black' out of that sentence and it still works, too.
Have fun sleeping in the bed you made, ladies.
You've got rats on the west side,
bedbugs up town.
What a mess, this town's in tatters.
I've been shattered.
My brain's been battered, splattered all over Manhattan.
Those ladies can't give it away on 7th Avenue ... I tell ya', I can't get no respect... I've been scrambled, smothered and covered ...
(wait, I'm off the Rolling Stones, I think ...)Replies: @The Alarmist, @Ganderson
The office has adopted “Courageous Conversation,” a protocol for training on racism in the workplace founded by Glenn Singleton, the president of Pacific Educational Group Inc.
From the website: COURAGEOUS CONVERSATION™ is our award-winning protocol for effectively engaging, sustaining and deepening interracial dialogue — “LOL” — yeah, I can imagine how “deepening interracial dialogue” works in practice; oh wait, I don’t have to imagine: a hostile environment where whites are subject to being criticized, belittled and harassed — these nice white ladies experienced it personally: The women — all white, veteran administrators
In other “news”:
From the website: COURAGEOUS CONVERSATION™ is our award-winning protocol for effectively engaging, sustaining and deepening interracial dialogue -- "LOL" -- yeah, I can imagine how "deepening interracial dialogue" works in practice; oh wait, I don't have to imagine: a hostile environment where whites are subject to being criticized, belittled and harassed -- these nice white ladies experienced it personally: The women — all white, veteran administrators
In other "news":
https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1129899241181204481Replies: @Steve Sailer
Thanks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLsm8h9qSuQ
Note that I did not watch the video. Probably only suitable for inciting outrage.Replies: @Sam Malone
2. A nutrition gap
3. A parental involvement gap
4. A community expectations gap
5. The lack of an orderly school environment
6. Less exposure to vocabulary
7. Less access to books
8. Unspecified "other things"That's it? That's all? Haven't we heard all that before? And it seems like last year Eric Levitz at New York (he sits a few desks over from Mr. Chait, next to the Catskill Spring Water cooler) was telling us: Maybe lead was cause No. 8?Let's forget about Mr. Levitz for now and get back to Mr. Chait.So their are seven major causes of the achievement gap, which I think can be boiled down to:1. Health and nutrition. Black kids are starving and undernourished, probably suffering from scurvy, rickets, and beriberi. Somehow we have been led to believe that they are getting free and nutritious breakfasts and lunches on the taxpayer's dime, but either that is a lie, or it's their *dinners.* So I wonder: Does Success Academy server dinner?2. Parental involvment, vocabulary, and books. Perhaps a free set of an African-American literature book set can be distributed, along with specially commission rap songs that use a wide vocabulary of big words ("I'm a extirpate yo' gluteus maximus, nigga!"), plus a partental involvement guide ("Whip 'em good if they don't be reading.")3. Community expectations. I'm not sure what this is, but perhaps Success Academy is paying local community gang members to tattoo ("Study yo' books, nigga" on their foreheads).4. An orderly school environment. This is a tough one, but allow me to throw out a modest proposal: When a kid slugs a teacher, expel him and file a police report. Then sue the family and the school for medical exepenses. Garnish the prison license plate wages of the perp.At any rate, having read all this I wondered why this miracle of Success Academy has not been spread throughout the land. Trump-era racism? Not so, according to Chait. The villains are progressive union supporters. If only school teachers could be fired and replaced with young SJW TFA kids, who are not jaded and uppity - well, not jaded at least - the cure could be implemented everywhere.As a coda to his article Chait lets us in on a minor fly in the ointment: An "army" of skeptical researchers has "tried to poke holes" in claims of a cure, and these nattering nabobs of negativism have "dominated media coverage," including at the Atlantic and the New Yorker. Among the tactics used by these saboteurs is pointing out that only three in ten graduates of Success Academy type schools graduate from college. Within six years.By the way, how do we know that the gap has been closed? Is a standardized test given to students in charters and in public schools? Which test? Are we sure that the comparison is apples-to-apples? But these articles are written for laymen, so Chait merely cites "rigorous studies," linking to a New York Times article, an opinion piece by a researcher, which takes me to a rabbit hole I don't have time to go down. Chait's wife works in the charter industry, so perhaps he's just taking her word on it.Replies: @Laugh Track, @Jack D, @ATBOTL, @res, @Bugg, @Oleaginous Outrager
Not only do learning disabled Hispanic kids from Success Academy now outscore whitey from Scarsdale, but the yield per hectare in the wheat fields of the Donbass now exceed those of Kansas! It’s the miracle of scientific socialism!
Why all the fuss?
He’s merely explicitly and openly practising what the cowardly weasels at the NYT and Economist have been urging on for all these years, but were too craven actually to openly practise.
Doesn’t this, requiring equal opportunities AND outcomes, violate the law of conservation of mass, or Kirchoff’s current law in the electrical realm, if I may? You’ve got high pressure over at the white and Oriental input lines, lower pressure here at the black and hispanic lines, equal resistances through the manifold, but you want equal output flowrates for the components? Are the laws of physics too white?
What she is not so subtly saying is that the resistances need to be made unequal enough the opposite direction to balance the circuit via white/Asian impedance.
The impedance itself being the appealing factor for the corrupt ruling class pushing this bullshit.
I could get a bottle of bleach to do the same thing as this high-paid DOE exec. Thank you, Jimmy Carter.
Thanks for being all over this guy Carranza, Steve. As much as I agree with the commenters that say these 4 white ladies have most likely been part of the problem in the past and should have seen this coming, the lawsuit should be fun. I hope you will keep us posted.
To live in this town, you must be tough, tough, tough, tough tough.
You’ve got rats on the west side,
bedbugs up town.
What a mess, this town’s in tatters.
I’ve been shattered.
My brain’s been battered, splattered all over Manhattan.
Those ladies can’t give it away on 7th Avenue … I tell ya’, I can’t get no respect… I’ve been scrambled, smothered and covered …
(wait, I’m off the Rolling Stones, I think …)
So, Race trumps Gender.
You've got rats on the west side,
bedbugs up town.
What a mess, this town's in tatters.
I've been shattered.
My brain's been battered, splattered all over Manhattan.
Those ladies can't give it away on 7th Avenue ... I tell ya', I can't get no respect... I've been scrambled, smothered and covered ...
(wait, I'm off the Rolling Stones, I think ...)Replies: @The Alarmist, @Ganderson
And those ladies apparently can’t give it away at the DoE.
“White supremacy is based on perfectionism, meritocracy, and a belief in the Protestant work ethic”.
And that’s why the Anglosphere has all the nice things.
Seriously, do these people want Klan 3.0 to exist? It will be a LOT nastier than the earlier versions.
The problem with white people perfectionism is creates too much widespread prosperity and there is not enough opportunity for rich people to properly signal their status. If society is functioning well then everyone can get around Manhattan quickly and safely on the subway and there's no point in having your own motorcade with armored SUVs and a tail car with bodyguards like De Blasio has - De Blasio is living like the average multimillionaire does in Sao Paolo. De Blasio's slogan should be "Make America Brasil Again".
Think of America in the 1950s. Every almost middle class white family (who were the vast majority of people) had a house and a car. Maybe if you were rich your house was a little bigger and maybe your car was a Cadillac instead of a Chevy, but there was really not a big spread. What good is being rich if you can't signal your status properly? It is not enough for the rich to succeed - YOU have to fail.
By browning the general population and eviscerating the middle class, the rich will be able to feel really good about their status again. They will live in the high rises downtown and everyone else will live in favelas - then you will REALLY know who is rich and who is poor. The rich will get real educations in private schools along with a few carefully curated vibrants for diversity. Poor whites and Asians will have to attend school with the NAM hordes. None of this stinky ambiguity where you really can't tell who's who anymore. This explains the high-low alliance that is today's Democrat Party.Replies: @Desiderius, @anon
Nah, in BDSM the submissive gets a safeword.
Oh, no... It's a game show!
https://www.comedy.co.uk/tv/safeword/
http://www.mtv.com/shows/safewordReplies: @SFG
Same with the earlier thread about the black ladies graduating from West Point. I'd love for test scores to be made available to the public. Thirty-something is still a relatively small number, but it's probably still too many. To take another tack, McCain liked to portray himself as a youthful screwup, but he was in all liklihood a middling intellect.
This whole ed. thing is still white people fighting other white people. Blacks did better under Jim Crow, but you'd never know it, and if you're under 40 to even hear something like that is heresy.Replies: @SFG
Oh, I remember that well. First vote I ever cast was to reelect Rudy Giuliani. The first time he ran I was too young!
The city started declining in the 60s, so it can take a few decades.
The JC thing: thing is, the black upper middle and upper classes did a lot worse back then, and they’re the ones with the megaphone. Family breakdown is more of a lower-middle and lower class problem.
You could take ‘black’ out of that sentence and it still works, too.
And that's why the Anglosphere has all the nice things.
Seriously, do these people want Klan 3.0 to exist? It will be a LOT nastier than the earlier versions.Replies: @SFG, @al anon, @Jack D
I think they think they’ve got the upper hand this time, so they can defeat it.
(Colby jumped to #99 in 2001, then dropped again. What was that about?)"In 2000, the #1 TV show in America was season 2 of Survivor. The runner-up was named Colby.Replies: @Days of Broken Arrows, @Cortes
Either that or people decided to stop naming kids after cheese.
(((New York City))) deserves every bit of it. Good and hard.
He appears to have very small, soft hands and on the verge of breaking into a heavy sweat.
Trump should use that definition in tweet about NYC schools. I would love to hear 20 Democratic presidential candidates talk about meritocracy and the Protestant work ethic.
Apt comment.
Also notice here that the Whites were pushed out of jobs in a division that includes the Office of Equity and Access. They were happy to ride the zeitgeist until they found themselves on the part of the tail being swallowed.
Therefore the new multicultural world order will be based on sloppiness, nepotism and slacking?
Thanks for clarifying, DOE.
And that's why the Anglosphere has all the nice things.
Seriously, do these people want Klan 3.0 to exist? It will be a LOT nastier than the earlier versions.Replies: @SFG, @al anon, @Jack D
I would like to point out that this is Klan 4.0, (1.0 reconstruction, 2.0 1920’s, 3.0 1960’s). As 3.0 barely existed and 4.0 not at all, it has become an ever more powerful tool for fantasy SJW porn.
Albert Shanker tried to head this off when tbe demographics were still plausibly favorable.Replies: @Daniel H, @Kaganovitch, @Ibound1, @midtown
My only solace in all this is that the white Leftists that brought us here will be the absolute first to go. Amazing they don’t see it. Trump and the immigration restrictionists are the only ones who can save them and they can’t see it.
You've got rats on the west side,
bedbugs up town.
What a mess, this town's in tatters.
I've been shattered.
My brain's been battered, splattered all over Manhattan.
Those ladies can't give it away on 7th Avenue ... I tell ya', I can't get no respect... I've been scrambled, smothered and covered ...
(wait, I'm off the Rolling Stones, I think ...)Replies: @The Alarmist, @Ganderson
Shedoobie…
Carranza? He’s one of the natural Republicans who only votes Democrat because of the G.O.P.’s unreasonable stance on immigration. If the G.O.P. would just throw the borders open it would be a huge coup which would give us a near permanent majority but you’re all too stupid to see it.
An odd dichotomy. Me, I’d waive the responsibilities and keep the power.
They’ve always had the upper hand, and have always defeated it. That’s why they’re so desperate to wish it into existence again. If you think they won’t just beat it easily again go talk to the tiki torchers.
“They” are the whitest of the white and they’ll crush you like a bug if you take them on directly.
The irony of ironies being that the Donbass soil is the richest in the world.
Is it any wonder that capable middle-class white men in North America are gravitating to Asian women, Eastern European women and even Mestizo women as their mates? White women in the public sector have been giving white men the cold shoulder for years. Let them fight this battle alone, I say.
Part of me can’t help but laugh at these idiots. These white ladies happily went along when the diversity seminars targeted white men only as oppressors. Where do you think the next logical step was going? The progressive push doesn’t stay idle. White women in the public sector have self-identified as their own class now. And the constituent elements of that class are a mishmash of aging cat ladies, mudsharks and mouthy Jewish broads. Who cares about them?
Lower-class white men are either tuning out of the workforce altogether or are choosing an internationalist, nomadic Roosh-type of lifestyle. Can you really blame them? What future do they have in the United States of America?
2. A nutrition gap
3. A parental involvement gap
4. A community expectations gap
5. The lack of an orderly school environment
6. Less exposure to vocabulary
7. Less access to books
8. Unspecified "other things"That's it? That's all? Haven't we heard all that before? And it seems like last year Eric Levitz at New York (he sits a few desks over from Mr. Chait, next to the Catskill Spring Water cooler) was telling us: Maybe lead was cause No. 8?Let's forget about Mr. Levitz for now and get back to Mr. Chait.So their are seven major causes of the achievement gap, which I think can be boiled down to:1. Health and nutrition. Black kids are starving and undernourished, probably suffering from scurvy, rickets, and beriberi. Somehow we have been led to believe that they are getting free and nutritious breakfasts and lunches on the taxpayer's dime, but either that is a lie, or it's their *dinners.* So I wonder: Does Success Academy server dinner?2. Parental involvment, vocabulary, and books. Perhaps a free set of an African-American literature book set can be distributed, along with specially commission rap songs that use a wide vocabulary of big words ("I'm a extirpate yo' gluteus maximus, nigga!"), plus a partental involvement guide ("Whip 'em good if they don't be reading.")3. Community expectations. I'm not sure what this is, but perhaps Success Academy is paying local community gang members to tattoo ("Study yo' books, nigga" on their foreheads).4. An orderly school environment. This is a tough one, but allow me to throw out a modest proposal: When a kid slugs a teacher, expel him and file a police report. Then sue the family and the school for medical exepenses. Garnish the prison license plate wages of the perp.At any rate, having read all this I wondered why this miracle of Success Academy has not been spread throughout the land. Trump-era racism? Not so, according to Chait. The villains are progressive union supporters. If only school teachers could be fired and replaced with young SJW TFA kids, who are not jaded and uppity - well, not jaded at least - the cure could be implemented everywhere.As a coda to his article Chait lets us in on a minor fly in the ointment: An "army" of skeptical researchers has "tried to poke holes" in claims of a cure, and these nattering nabobs of negativism have "dominated media coverage," including at the Atlantic and the New Yorker. Among the tactics used by these saboteurs is pointing out that only three in ten graduates of Success Academy type schools graduate from college. Within six years.By the way, how do we know that the gap has been closed? Is a standardized test given to students in charters and in public schools? Which test? Are we sure that the comparison is apples-to-apples? But these articles are written for laymen, so Chait merely cites "rigorous studies," linking to a New York Times article, an opinion piece by a researcher, which takes me to a rabbit hole I don't have time to go down. Chait's wife works in the charter industry, so perhaps he's just taking her word on it.Replies: @Laugh Track, @Jack D, @ATBOTL, @res, @Bugg, @Oleaginous Outrager
The goal of the charter school movement is to replace American teachers with Filipino and Indian guest workers making minimum wage.
Everyone knows the resistances are far from equal, heretic.
What she is not so subtly saying is that the resistances need to be made unequal enough the opposite direction to balance the circuit via white/Asian impedance.
The impedance itself being the appealing factor for the corrupt ruling class pushing this bullshit.
2. A nutrition gap
3. A parental involvement gap
4. A community expectations gap
5. The lack of an orderly school environment
6. Less exposure to vocabulary
7. Less access to books
8. Unspecified "other things"That's it? That's all? Haven't we heard all that before? And it seems like last year Eric Levitz at New York (he sits a few desks over from Mr. Chait, next to the Catskill Spring Water cooler) was telling us: Maybe lead was cause No. 8?Let's forget about Mr. Levitz for now and get back to Mr. Chait.So their are seven major causes of the achievement gap, which I think can be boiled down to:1. Health and nutrition. Black kids are starving and undernourished, probably suffering from scurvy, rickets, and beriberi. Somehow we have been led to believe that they are getting free and nutritious breakfasts and lunches on the taxpayer's dime, but either that is a lie, or it's their *dinners.* So I wonder: Does Success Academy server dinner?2. Parental involvment, vocabulary, and books. Perhaps a free set of an African-American literature book set can be distributed, along with specially commission rap songs that use a wide vocabulary of big words ("I'm a extirpate yo' gluteus maximus, nigga!"), plus a partental involvement guide ("Whip 'em good if they don't be reading.")3. Community expectations. I'm not sure what this is, but perhaps Success Academy is paying local community gang members to tattoo ("Study yo' books, nigga" on their foreheads).4. An orderly school environment. This is a tough one, but allow me to throw out a modest proposal: When a kid slugs a teacher, expel him and file a police report. Then sue the family and the school for medical exepenses. Garnish the prison license plate wages of the perp.At any rate, having read all this I wondered why this miracle of Success Academy has not been spread throughout the land. Trump-era racism? Not so, according to Chait. The villains are progressive union supporters. If only school teachers could be fired and replaced with young SJW TFA kids, who are not jaded and uppity - well, not jaded at least - the cure could be implemented everywhere.As a coda to his article Chait lets us in on a minor fly in the ointment: An "army" of skeptical researchers has "tried to poke holes" in claims of a cure, and these nattering nabobs of negativism have "dominated media coverage," including at the Atlantic and the New Yorker. Among the tactics used by these saboteurs is pointing out that only three in ten graduates of Success Academy type schools graduate from college. Within six years.By the way, how do we know that the gap has been closed? Is a standardized test given to students in charters and in public schools? Which test? Are we sure that the comparison is apples-to-apples? But these articles are written for laymen, so Chait merely cites "rigorous studies," linking to a New York Times article, an opinion piece by a researcher, which takes me to a rabbit hole I don't have time to go down. Chait's wife works in the charter industry, so perhaps he's just taking her word on it.Replies: @Laugh Track, @Jack D, @ATBOTL, @res, @Bugg, @Oleaginous Outrager
As you probably know well, inability to find the research underlying these articles is the equivalent of a red flag with sirens blaring.
I looked around a bit and think these bits of information about Success Academy Charter Schools in New York might cast some light. First, some proficiency data for each of their schools:
https://www.suny.edu/about/leadership/board-of-trustees/meetings/webcastdocs/D_Success%20Academy%20Charter%20Schools%20-%20Performance%20and%20Demographics.pdf
What struck me there is that the oldest class in their first charter Harlem 1 (CSD 3) is an obvious outlier in English Language Arts proficiency (94% in grade 8, next highest was 65% and lowest was 48%). That might be an indicator of effective schooling over the years, but I think the big difference between grades 7 and 8 is more a sign of being especially selective when choosing that first group. Math proficiency scores are almost all above 90% in that document which means there is not much useful information in those (though it does make me wonder about how rigorous the test is).
This NYT articles from about six months before your link gives some perspective about their second oldest charter Harlem 4 (CSD 3) which also happens to have an ELA proficiency of 81% in their oldest grade 6 and 47% in grade 5.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/07/nyregion/at-success-academy-charter-schools-polarizing-methods-and-superior-results.html
First the good (and this counteracts my cherry picking schools/grades and math ceiling concerns above to some degree, though not the possibility of systematic cheating):
If you wanted to design a system for encouraging teachers to cheat, could you do better than the following?
This sounds helpful (though draconian):
This is a good partial explanation for higher performance, though actual numbers would help:
As usual with the NYT, we get to more interesting information near the bottom of the article:
Seems like a good example to raise whenever “excessive” suspension rates are being criticized.
In addition, they drive the less smart students to withdraw from the school, and they do not admit new students in the higher grades, because that would have to be done by lottery.
They start out with a lottery chosen group, but they make the school application process and school orientation meetings complex enough that only smart, motivated parents tend to go through it (and that smartness and motivation are heritable).
@Jack D: Yes, the behavior rules do improve test performance in this way: Students who misbehave are often less smart, since they do not follow the subject matter and get bored and then misbehave. The schools call mom and force her to take off work for a meeting. This happens a few times and then mom takes the kid out of the school.
Likewise, if academic performance is not up to par, guess what happens? The kid is put into a strict one-on-one tutoring class, which he hates. And then mom is called in for a meeting. "Your kid needs to work harder!" (In reality, it's simply that the kid is not that smart.) A few school meetings like this and mom, you guessed it, pulls the kid out of the school.
By eighth grade only the smartest remain, and they are spending most of their time in test prep.Replies: @Jack D
If Richard Carranza, the son of Mexican immigrants, believes whiteness to be "toxic," perhaps he can lay off all his white teachers and run his schools with only black and Hispanic teachers and no white tax dollars.Replies: @res
Even better, how about making sure his children exclusively attend public schools which are at least 90% NAM?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Carranza
I’ll bet that would significantly change his opinion of charter schools (like Success Academy above).
https://www.chalkbeat.org/posts/ny/2018/09/26/as-operators-tout-their-scores-de-blasio-and-carranza-draw-a-firm-line-against-more-charter-schools/
Sure, just like it’s “ironic” that Venezuela has the largest proven oil reserves in the world but you can’t get gas for your car in Caracas. If the Communists took over Alaska, pretty soon there would be a shortage of ice.
Ivan who “works” at the kolkhoz gets paid the same whether the crop comes in or not (either way the pay is shitty – Ivan spends as much time as he can working on his garden plot where he at least gets to eat what he grows and maybe sells a little too to the people in town or he can make “gifts” when he needs to see a doctor). Let’s say it’s planting time. Ivan goes out to start the tractor. Will not start. It seems someone has left the tractor out in the weather all winter and now there is water in the gas. Ivan calls the tractor engineer (not Ivan’s job to fix tractors himself) who arrives in a couple of days. Vadim the tractor engineer says the tractor needs a new fuel pump. He sends a requisition to the parts depot – the part should be here in a week – no problem. Well, there is a problem. The fuel pump factory met its 5 Year Plan for fuel pump production 2 years ago and stopped producing them (even if they wanted to, the steel mill also met its plan and now the fuel pump factory can’t get any steel anyway). It turns out that demand for replacement fuel pumps is much higher than provided for in the plan. The people who wrote the Plan assumed a 5% annual failure rate for fuel pumps and it turns out that the actual failure rate is 20%. No one really understands why – the design is an exact copy of a Western design with a 5% failure rate. Possibly there are wreckers in the factory who are sabotaging the quality of the return springs. Once the next 5 Year Plan begins (a year from now) then fuel pump production will resume. Hopefully by then the wreckers will have been found and suitably punished. Etc., etc. – meanwhile planting season has passed, which is just as well because it turns out that the seed wheat was moldy – those wreckers again.
Here is a video from Glenn Singleton (originator) about Courageous Conversations. The comments are full of crimethink.
Note that I did not watch the video. Probably only suitable for inciting outrage.
I looked around a bit and think these bits of information about Success Academy Charter Schools in New York might cast some light. First, some proficiency data for each of their schools:
https://www.suny.edu/about/leadership/board-of-trustees/meetings/webcastdocs/D_Success%20Academy%20Charter%20Schools%20-%20Performance%20and%20Demographics.pdf
What struck me there is that the oldest class in their first charter Harlem 1 (CSD 3) is an obvious outlier in English Language Arts proficiency (94% in grade 8, next highest was 65% and lowest was 48%). That might be an indicator of effective schooling over the years, but I think the big difference between grades 7 and 8 is more a sign of being especially selective when choosing that first group. Math proficiency scores are almost all above 90% in that document which means there is not much useful information in those (though it does make me wonder about how rigorous the test is).
This NYT articles from about six months before your link gives some perspective about their second oldest charter Harlem 4 (CSD 3) which also happens to have an ELA proficiency of 81% in their oldest grade 6 and 47% in grade 5.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/07/nyregion/at-success-academy-charter-schools-polarizing-methods-and-superior-results.html
First the good (and this counteracts my cherry picking schools/grades and math ceiling concerns above to some degree, though not the possibility of systematic cheating): If you wanted to design a system for encouraging teachers to cheat, could you do better than the following? This sounds helpful (though draconian): This is a good partial explanation for higher performance, though actual numbers would help: As usual with the NYT, we get to more interesting information near the bottom of the article: Seems like a good example to raise whenever "excessive" suspension rates are being criticized.Replies: @Jack D, @Anon
No it isn’t. Sitting stock still with your hands clasped doesn’t make you a better student. A block of wood also sits still.
The 96% “proficient” rate is probably explained by a number of factors:
1. Outright cheating. When it all falls apart, we will find out how much they have been lying and cheating the numbers and it will be a LOT. Even rich white suburban schools have 85% proficiency, not 96%.
2. (This will be less of a factor than #1) Cherry picking. This is why the rates keep going up in the higher grades. Over time they get rid of all the below average students so they are left with a selective student body. It’s one thing to say “we are going to take random students from the ghetto and make them all smarter than the average white kid using our magical teaching method” and another to say “we are going to select a handful of the smartest ghetto kids we can find and then keep weeding out the weaker ones every year and in the end the ones who are left are going to be smarter than the average white kid.” But given the 1 SD difference in average IQ, this is still a nearly impossible task so see #1.
1. Selecting for students who can actually sit still. (see suspension rates in other comment)
2. Less disruption in class for everyone. (2. seems obvious enough that I am surprised you disagreed with my original statement)
3. Individuals paying greater attention in class. Not a given (one can still woolgather), but likely.
I agree with your other points.Replies: @Jack D
It's a conceit of the modern age that different groups in close proximity can exist in peaceful harmony in perpetuity. If the differences are significant, there will be competition. Then there will be animosity. Eventually, one group will win out and destroy the other group. Our constitution was supposed to prevent that, and it did back when the differences were relatively more minor and communications and travel were more difficult, but intractable racial differences will put an end to that. The constitution is just a piece of paper, after all, as W. Bush said. Without some self-restraint, which previously came from shared identity, the system will not last.Replies: @JimB, @bomag
Diversity sort-of works when there’s lots of economic activity and opportunity. Ports and trading areas are famous for diversity. It is a conceit of the Economist magazine types that the US can be one big trading bazaar forever with unlimited resources to shower on anyone who crawls on board.
But when the money starts running out…
I’m the guy who didn’t marry pretty Pamela Brown
Educated, well-intentioned good girl in our town
I wonder where I’d be today if she had loved me too
Probably be driving kids to school
I guess I owe it all to Pamela Brown
All of my good times, all my roamin’ around
One of these days I might be in your town
And I guess I owe it all to Pamela Brown
Seen the lights of cities and I’ve been inside their doors
Sailed to foreign countries and walked upon their shores
I guess the guy she married was the best part of my luck
She dug him cause he drove a pickup truck
I guess I owe it all to Pamela Brown
All of my good times, all my roamin’ around
One of these days I might be in your town
And I guess I owe it all to Pamela Brown
I don’t have to tell you just how beautiful she was
Everything it takes to get a guy like me in love
Lord, I hope she’s happy ’cause she sure deserves to be
Especially for what she did for me.
I guess I owe it all to Pamela Brown
All of my good times, all my roamin’ around
One of these days I might be in your town
And I guess I owe it all to Pamela Brown
Joe, is this the same 6-figure-making former school superintendent, or not?
And that's why the Anglosphere has all the nice things.
Seriously, do these people want Klan 3.0 to exist? It will be a LOT nastier than the earlier versions.Replies: @SFG, @al anon, @Jack D
No, no no. They want Brasil do Norte to exist.
The problem with white people perfectionism is creates too much widespread prosperity and there is not enough opportunity for rich people to properly signal their status. If society is functioning well then everyone can get around Manhattan quickly and safely on the subway and there’s no point in having your own motorcade with armored SUVs and a tail car with bodyguards like De Blasio has – De Blasio is living like the average multimillionaire does in Sao Paolo. De Blasio’s slogan should be “Make America Brasil Again”.
Think of America in the 1950s. Every almost middle class white family (who were the vast majority of people) had a house and a car. Maybe if you were rich your house was a little bigger and maybe your car was a Cadillac instead of a Chevy, but there was really not a big spread. What good is being rich if you can’t signal your status properly? It is not enough for the rich to succeed – YOU have to fail.
By browning the general population and eviscerating the middle class, the rich will be able to feel really good about their status again. They will live in the high rises downtown and everyone else will live in favelas – then you will REALLY know who is rich and who is poor. The rich will get real educations in private schools along with a few carefully curated vibrants for diversity. Poor whites and Asians will have to attend school with the NAM hordes. None of this stinky ambiguity where you really can’t tell who’s who anymore. This explains the high-low alliance that is today’s Democrat Party.
This also explains the woke teachings of the Episcopal Church: they think they're "progressive" and "down with the underclass" but as always, they just preach the ideology of the Upper Class.
Names of top tier lacrosse (the whitest significant team sport) players.
https://twitter.com/kittygaga_/status/1129077402821451777Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Kaganovitch, @The Wild Geese Howard, @anon, @Laugh Track, @Buffalo Joe, @renault
Dan, sorry to bust the bubble, but one of the best NCAA D-I players is Tehoka Nanticoke from Albany U. The great Thompson brothers were named Lyle and Kyle and like Tehoka, Native Americans. However, if you check out the rosters of the best D-I lacrosse prograns who probably won’t find a D’Sean or any other name with an apostrophe.
I disagree. To be more specific though, I think the effect is more on the group than the individuals themselves. Some reasons.
1. Selecting for students who can actually sit still. (see suspension rates in other comment)
2. Less disruption in class for everyone. (2. seems obvious enough that I am surprised you disagreed with my original statement)
3. Individuals paying greater attention in class. Not a given (one can still woolgather), but likely.
I agree with your other points.
The problem with white people perfectionism is creates too much widespread prosperity and there is not enough opportunity for rich people to properly signal their status. If society is functioning well then everyone can get around Manhattan quickly and safely on the subway and there's no point in having your own motorcade with armored SUVs and a tail car with bodyguards like De Blasio has - De Blasio is living like the average multimillionaire does in Sao Paolo. De Blasio's slogan should be "Make America Brasil Again".
Think of America in the 1950s. Every almost middle class white family (who were the vast majority of people) had a house and a car. Maybe if you were rich your house was a little bigger and maybe your car was a Cadillac instead of a Chevy, but there was really not a big spread. What good is being rich if you can't signal your status properly? It is not enough for the rich to succeed - YOU have to fail.
By browning the general population and eviscerating the middle class, the rich will be able to feel really good about their status again. They will live in the high rises downtown and everyone else will live in favelas - then you will REALLY know who is rich and who is poor. The rich will get real educations in private schools along with a few carefully curated vibrants for diversity. Poor whites and Asians will have to attend school with the NAM hordes. None of this stinky ambiguity where you really can't tell who's who anymore. This explains the high-low alliance that is today's Democrat Party.Replies: @Desiderius, @anon
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At the time we had a functioning moral system so actual virtue could be signaled and the signal properly received and honored.
That system became replaced by an ethos of non-judgmentalism (libertarianism misapplied). This is what Haidt picked up in his work – care/harm is due to discrimination being grandfathered in as something that still needed to be subject to judgment.
Unsurprisingly it became the be-all and end all, with the law of the jungle picking up the rest of the status-sorting slack.
Kudos to Carranza for doing exactly what he said he would do.Replies: @Mr McKenna, @South Texas Guy, @NYMOM
I agree…people have to be forced to suffer the consequences of this ‘virtue signaling’ that keeps electing candidates like DeBlasio etc., and this is all part of the consequences…
He and his wife are now going after the top employees of museums and other not for profit institutions which is big business in NYC. He thinks they are not ‘diverse’ enough…
I say good…Again more consequences that must be suffered before reality sets in…
They have to learn!
In the local city the charter schools appear to have mostly female students.
That would be another interesting topic that I have not seen discussed.
Crucial points for this case is that the "arguments" described above, the arguments which are used by the Intersectional Left (the SJW's, the "Regressive Left," the Radicals, or whatever you might want to call them), are not arguments so much as tactics which they are using in a broader cultural fight.
Another point is that the Intersectional Left is changing definitions for key terms such as 'racism' and 'white supremacy' and setting the bar for qualifying as a racist or as a white supremacist so low that one has no choice but to be one. Here is an example of this from the article: “Whiteness” is defined as: “The component of each and every one of ourselves that expects assimilation to the dominant culture.” This isn't an argument - it's a linguistic trap. If one accepts this definition, one may then be called a "white supremacist" for expecting, say, immigrants to learn English. Furthermore, once this definition is established you must not only disagree with anyone who says "immigrants should learn English" you must confront people who say such things - or else you are branded as a white supremacist (you are allowing the culture of "white supremacy" to proceed unchallenged). This definition, by the way, is why black conservatives may fairly be tarred as white supremacists.
By the way, the people pushing this view are in charge of a lot of the educational systems in this country - so merely complaining about it or holding to your own definitions is meaningless. Their definitions will be the accepted ones if they win. And those definitions will be codified in law and used to come after you.
Don't believe me? Here's a push in congress already which takes some steps in this very direction: https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/5/text
(Example: "Discrimination can occur on the basis of the sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, or pregnancy, childbirth, or a related medical condition of an individual, as well as because of sex-based stereotypes. Each of these factors alone can serve as the basis for discrimination, and each is a form of sex discrimination.")
Weinstein speaks of "bigots of color" being primary drivers behind this movement, and the article above certainly suggests that this is what we have in the NYC school system as well: “These decisions are being made because DOE leadership believes that skin color plays a role in how to get equity — that white people can’t convey the message,” said a source familiar with the complaints.
“There’s a toxic whiteness concept going on.” Under the cover of "equity" and fairness they are allowing bigotry against whites to gain power and fester. And this system is educating vast numbers of young New Yorkers. I'm not sure how that's anything but a disaster not only for New York but for our society.
In any event, it is not an option merely to shrug one's shoulders or to "let the Left eat itself" because this is an ongoing battle within the Left and within our culture and it has profound implications for what kind of society we will have moving forward. You may not care about intersectionalism, but rest assured it cares about you. And it hates you. For my part, I'm paying attention to this suit and I'm hoping the plaintiffs are as successful as possible. I think there are enough reasonable people left that this kind of bigotry can be resisted if it is recognized for what it is.Replies: @Desiderius
The bigots of color have what power they do because wokedammerung whites gave and give it to them.
A fish rots from the head down, and the head of the fish is NYC mayor Wilhelm Weld. When the citizens of NYC elected Mayor Weld, they voted for racial strife.
The white liberal females are angry because how dare they, white sjw women, be fired for the reason of “wokeness.” They are used to being the ones firing white males or straight males of any background who have their testicles intact.
Lol just…lol. White sjw females are the source of the evil that is responsible for atheism, feminism, women’s rights, sodomite rights, anti-Americanism, etc.
Yes the ladies have themselves to blame. And yes, they will fail. White people have no standing in the law and the law says by Supreme Court decisions and Congressional laws and Presidential declarations that Whites have no rights.
NONE AT ALL. So the lawsuit will fail.
What, a court is going to rule against a Vibrant Latino for Nice White Ladies? GET REAL.
But it won’t stop there — the general purge against Whites will be massive and ongoing. Fueled in part by the female rage of Nice White Ladies at the fact that 90% of White men are betas and thus repulsive, and the top 10% Alphas will only pump and dump. If you are wondering what is the super charger of anti-White hate, this is it — the predictable result of the pill, condom, anonymous urban living and female prosperity. White beta males are not only irrelevant but an object of hate (an ever present threat when alive for a moment of mistake and thus beta male spawn). This is why btw Abortion is such a hot button. White women bitterly resent the idea of a kid by a beta male.
So what area is next? Policing. Imagine every Cop and Fed either Vibrantly Vibrant, or vibrantly Latino, or vibrantly “snackbar.” With a mission to Get Whitey 24/7 and excuse vibrant vibrancy.
After that, well the US Military. Already in the “oh no you dident” territory. Imagine the US Military being 100% Vibrant, and devoted to door to door gun seizures of Whitey, and general ransacking, and constructing “re-education camps” ala China and the Uighurs.
After that, well the US Corporations. Already well underway.
This is why I hope for a shooting war with China. All that vibrant vibrancy is fine until things actually need to get done. The FT is running articles on how US Defense folks are saying the Chinese have the tech lead: in 5G, in AI, etc. While the idea of a final solution to the problem of Whiteness is a long standing Bill Ayers era dream of the Progressives, a real war with China with us losing would require actual WHITE soldiers, sailors, airmen, engineers, scientists, workers, etc.
The desire for camps with all White men interned to get the White beaten out of them, kids taken and put in work camp orphanages, and forced marriages to vibrants for White ladies ala China with the Uighurs would be delayed. At least for a generation. And something could turn up.
1. Selecting for students who can actually sit still. (see suspension rates in other comment)
2. Less disruption in class for everyone. (2. seems obvious enough that I am surprised you disagreed with my original statement)
3. Individuals paying greater attention in class. Not a given (one can still woolgather), but likely.
I agree with your other points.Replies: @Jack D
#2 is probably the most important one. In a lot of predominantly black schools there are a few kids who might actually learn something but the rest make the classroom so chaotic that learning is impossible.
BUT the main black problem is that by the time they reach 1st grade (whether it is due to home environment or genetics, or as is likely, a combination of the 2) their average IQ is 1 SD below the white mean and remains that way for the rest of their life regardless of (any heretofore known) academic interventions. You just cannot make silk purses out of these sow’s ears no matter how you treat them. Therefore any statistics that show an entire school full of black geniuses is likely false – there are just not enough to fill a school full of them, even in a big city like NY. There were a grand total of 7 black students admitted to Stuyvesant last year from the entire NYC school system. If Success Academy is not a fraud (and it is) then they alone should be sending dozens to Stuy.
In a lot of Latino elementary schools, the kids are not disruptive – they sit quietly (Amerinds, unlike blacks, have the ability to sit still and be quiet). They just never learn much.
One negative impact is I think this contributes to some of the stories we hear about elementary school excellence which does not continue in later results. It is easy (and all too common IMHO) to attribute that later failure to racism rather than different developmental trajectories.
This article speaks to your Success Academy/Stuy point:
https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/education/success-charter-kids-nab-elite-nyc-high-school-slots-article-1.2677005
Note how they carefully avoid mentioning which of the Elite 8 schools their students were actually admitted to (while mentioning the top three). To be fair, the results sound encouraging even so, but the way they overinflate the reality in the articles is annoying.Replies: @Jack D
Albert Shanker tried to head this off when tbe demographics were still plausibly favorable.Replies: @Daniel H, @Kaganovitch, @Ibound1, @midtown
I agree.
In the goverment agency where I worked, the dominant culture was Black by 80% if not 90%. The top dogs at that time were white. As long as they hired and retained (to civil servant status) all of the right majority-minority underlings, including most lower level managers, they could stay on top. They hired and retained some doozies. One even ended up on the news, not for anything they would want to brag about to say the least.
Years later, whites in top positions sued over a Black, female commissioner who moved in, firing a bunch of long-term white employees and replacing them with her friends who just happened to all be Black.
Whites in high-paying positions don’t care that hundreds upon hundreds of low level white employees are bullied out the door before getting civil servant status after jumping through a bunch of testing and other hoops to get the jobs.
White bigwigs don’t care as long as they can ride in the front car of the PC train. They also do not care what happens when low-paid whites lose a job for no good reason, whereupon they have to cover rent and all other bills until they get another churn job on thin air if they are single and childless, with no spousal income and no cushioning access to monthly welfare and refundable child tax credit cash up to $6,431.
As managers, they get points for hiring minorities.
But it’s different when it’s them.
One reason for that is because they are almost always parents. There’s a parallel crony alliance in goverment jobs, not just the crony-minority collusion. Crony-parent managers hire and retain almost all parents, no more or less than in most non-youth-dominated corporate office jobs. There are some corporate jobs where almost no one is a parent, like Hooters, but the office jobs are mom-dominated in most cases.
Crony-parent managers make sure that fellow, family-friendly, absenteeism-friendly parents retain their jobs despite taking off whole days, whole weeks, whole afternoons and whole mornings off for kids, in addition to PTO and preggie leave. Any non culture fit—any white non parent—is fired for even five minutes of that, regardless of every month quota meeting and everyday, all-day attendance.
Of course, for veteran goverment employees, the official days off are Grand Canyon-sized compared to what corporate employees get, officially anyway, when not taking into consideration the above-firing status of the corporate crony-parent employees and managers, i.e, the bulk of retained employees.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLsm8h9qSuQ
Note that I did not watch the video. Probably only suitable for inciting outrage.Replies: @Sam Malone
Linking videos for everyone else to watch that you’ve never bothered to watch yourself. Thanks.
Safeword sounds like a great name for a dissident publishing firm, if it hasn’t been used already. Perhaps it could borrow Safeway’s font. Rough Trade Records is a model.
Oh, no… It’s a game show!
https://www.comedy.co.uk/tv/safeword/
http://www.mtv.com/shows/safeword
(Not that there aren't kinky conservatives, but they'd be unlikely to talk about it.)Replies: @Redneck farmer
They can go to the LA Cannibal Restaurant for a workshop/vacation in indoctrination in more lunacy.
The charters do better than public schools segregated or not. But Carranza thinks integration is more important than a good education. THAT is the problem. There is more than one way to achieve the o-bjective which is a good education for all children. He says in an oped today in NY DAILY NEWS that integrated public schools provide better education for minorities. OK but Charter schools are doing much better than them – NYC gov keeps trying to shut down charters. They SHOULD be putting them in the public schools (which they do) and give all the kids the same equipment in the building – same as charter students, and use charter classrooms as examples for the other teachers. Since they succeed. But success is not his priority, as it is not DeBlasio’s . Parental choice should be a right. Parents have a right to get good education for their kids. If they want a charter let them have it. We also need parental monitors in ALL the schools because one of the reasons their students are failing is that they are guinea pigs in social engineering indoctrination INSTEAD Of actual skills like READING>
I had a conversation with a teaching college grad who did not take one class in teaching reading. it is all social engineering nonsense.
The charters actually teach reading, math etc and real subjects, not social engineering baloney. That is why kids do better.
Look who is head of the NYC teachers union – a gay woman married to a woman who is a rabbi. THIS is why they support this baloney.
NYC public schools is teaching kids that ANAL SEX IS NORMAL and there are 30 genders. No kid would buy this but they want them all to smoke pot so they will be hypnotized to believe anything. So the same idiots promote LEGAL POT. If it is legal ALL 14 year olds will smoke it. THe NYC high schools are already having problems with kids vaping and smoking in school. But instead of workign harder to dissuade kids from using drugs, they give up and say well let them do it. just dont send them to jail. make it legal. Well then the kids will end up in jail on actual criminal charges instead, since pot makes people think, say and do stupid things. and commit crimes to get money for drugs. Ask any cop what percentage of people they arrest for crimes are also on drugs or drunk A lot.
I read an article that said their idea of toxic whiteness is defined as PERFECTIONISM, MERITOCRACY and something else. Whats wrong with meritocracy?
WHY Do Asian kids in NY do better on the tests to get into the specialized high schools, when they come from poor families and their parents don’t speak english?
Has something to do with the fact that the black community has more drug use and instead of working to stop it they are encouraging it.
When kids are high they do not learn > I spoke to a 15 year old who told me he went to school high. it causes memory loss. the schoold need to prioritze warning kids NOT to use drugs – then their brains will work better
Carranza is a musician. God brought him to NYC to promote music for all kids. THAT will improve everyone’s lives. It keeps kids out of trouble, away from drugs, gangs, and helps their skills in other areas. .
Oh, no... It's a game show!
https://www.comedy.co.uk/tv/safeword/
http://www.mtv.com/shows/safewordReplies: @SFG
Most open pervs are libertarians, liberals or progressives, so I doubt it.
(Not that there aren’t kinky conservatives, but they’d be unlikely to talk about it.)
2. A nutrition gap
3. A parental involvement gap
4. A community expectations gap
5. The lack of an orderly school environment
6. Less exposure to vocabulary
7. Less access to books
8. Unspecified "other things"That's it? That's all? Haven't we heard all that before? And it seems like last year Eric Levitz at New York (he sits a few desks over from Mr. Chait, next to the Catskill Spring Water cooler) was telling us: Maybe lead was cause No. 8?Let's forget about Mr. Levitz for now and get back to Mr. Chait.So their are seven major causes of the achievement gap, which I think can be boiled down to:1. Health and nutrition. Black kids are starving and undernourished, probably suffering from scurvy, rickets, and beriberi. Somehow we have been led to believe that they are getting free and nutritious breakfasts and lunches on the taxpayer's dime, but either that is a lie, or it's their *dinners.* So I wonder: Does Success Academy server dinner?2. Parental involvment, vocabulary, and books. Perhaps a free set of an African-American literature book set can be distributed, along with specially commission rap songs that use a wide vocabulary of big words ("I'm a extirpate yo' gluteus maximus, nigga!"), plus a partental involvement guide ("Whip 'em good if they don't be reading.")3. Community expectations. I'm not sure what this is, but perhaps Success Academy is paying local community gang members to tattoo ("Study yo' books, nigga" on their foreheads).4. An orderly school environment. This is a tough one, but allow me to throw out a modest proposal: When a kid slugs a teacher, expel him and file a police report. Then sue the family and the school for medical exepenses. Garnish the prison license plate wages of the perp.At any rate, having read all this I wondered why this miracle of Success Academy has not been spread throughout the land. Trump-era racism? Not so, according to Chait. The villains are progressive union supporters. If only school teachers could be fired and replaced with young SJW TFA kids, who are not jaded and uppity - well, not jaded at least - the cure could be implemented everywhere.As a coda to his article Chait lets us in on a minor fly in the ointment: An "army" of skeptical researchers has "tried to poke holes" in claims of a cure, and these nattering nabobs of negativism have "dominated media coverage," including at the Atlantic and the New Yorker. Among the tactics used by these saboteurs is pointing out that only three in ten graduates of Success Academy type schools graduate from college. Within six years.By the way, how do we know that the gap has been closed? Is a standardized test given to students in charters and in public schools? Which test? Are we sure that the comparison is apples-to-apples? But these articles are written for laymen, so Chait merely cites "rigorous studies," linking to a New York Times article, an opinion piece by a researcher, which takes me to a rabbit hole I don't have time to go down. Chait's wife works in the charter industry, so perhaps he's just taking her word on it.Replies: @Laugh Track, @Jack D, @ATBOTL, @res, @Bugg, @Oleaginous Outrager
Conservatives have spent half a century selling charter schools as the panacea for The Gap. problem is you can have wonderful facilities with dedicated teachers working with the best of daily lesson plans. If the kids go back to the terrible environment at 3PM, all that hard work gets quickly dissipated. Further one point public school opponents make very accurately is charter schools suck up resources for normal public schools without showing nearly as much improvement as they intend. Instead you get hobby horse ethnic schools. In southern Brooklyn, a number of them are Hebrew-themed schools that nobody but orthodox Jewish children attend.
White Hispanics are great at this kind of thing. It’s how they’ve run their banana republics a la sur for five hundred years.
(Colby jumped to #99 in 2001, then dropped again. What was that about?)"In 2000, the #1 TV show in America was season 2 of Survivor. The runner-up was named Colby.Replies: @Days of Broken Arrows, @Cortes
Dallas and Taggart were TV shows also as was Dr Quinn, Medicine Woman…
I say a prayer for our country every day.
people naming their kids after TV shows…
I say a prayer for our country every day.
Without watching it (just reading the comments) it is absolutely clear it is on topic, if you have the stomach to watch it. I thought it might be a useful addition to the conversation (if only for the comments, but perhaps also for iSteve to pull egregious excerpts from), but wanted to make clear I was not recommending everyone watch it.
I thought (and still think) that was a reasonable approach to take for that video. YMMV.
P.S. Thinking about it some more, it probably would have been better to manually create a link which did not auto embed the video itself.
The problem with white people perfectionism is creates too much widespread prosperity and there is not enough opportunity for rich people to properly signal their status. If society is functioning well then everyone can get around Manhattan quickly and safely on the subway and there's no point in having your own motorcade with armored SUVs and a tail car with bodyguards like De Blasio has - De Blasio is living like the average multimillionaire does in Sao Paolo. De Blasio's slogan should be "Make America Brasil Again".
Think of America in the 1950s. Every almost middle class white family (who were the vast majority of people) had a house and a car. Maybe if you were rich your house was a little bigger and maybe your car was a Cadillac instead of a Chevy, but there was really not a big spread. What good is being rich if you can't signal your status properly? It is not enough for the rich to succeed - YOU have to fail.
By browning the general population and eviscerating the middle class, the rich will be able to feel really good about their status again. They will live in the high rises downtown and everyone else will live in favelas - then you will REALLY know who is rich and who is poor. The rich will get real educations in private schools along with a few carefully curated vibrants for diversity. Poor whites and Asians will have to attend school with the NAM hordes. None of this stinky ambiguity where you really can't tell who's who anymore. This explains the high-low alliance that is today's Democrat Party.Replies: @Desiderius, @anon
An excellent precis of the motivation of the lower/upper coalition against the middle. I can confirm this picture as true the working class, not even the “middle” class, even in the 70s. My father retired at 65 in 1972, with a paid-off mortgage, and enough savings to buy a new house in the suburbs (white flight) for 35k, and a new sedan, for 3k; all CASH. My “rich” uncle had a house in Grosse Pointe, and drove a Lincoln (he was Ford’s outside counsel, so a Caddy was not an option). Bigger, perhaps better, but not an unreachable alien species of life.
This also explains the woke teachings of the Episcopal Church: they think they’re “progressive” and “down with the underclass” but as always, they just preach the ideology of the Upper Class.
Educated, well-intentioned good girl in our town
I wonder where I'd be today if she had loved me too
Probably be driving kids to school
I guess I owe it all to Pamela Brown
All of my good times, all my roamin' around
One of these days I might be in your town
And I guess I owe it all to Pamela Brown
Seen the lights of cities and I've been inside their doors
Sailed to foreign countries and walked upon their shores
I guess the guy she married was the best part of my luck
She dug him cause he drove a pickup truck
I guess I owe it all to Pamela Brown
All of my good times, all my roamin' around
One of these days I might be in your town
And I guess I owe it all to Pamela Brown
I don't have to tell you just how beautiful she was
Everything it takes to get a guy like me in love
Lord, I hope she's happy 'cause she sure deserves to be
Especially for what she did for me.
I guess I owe it all to Pamela Brown
All of my good times, all my roamin' around
One of these days I might be in your town
And I guess I owe it all to Pamela BrownReplies: @Buffalo Joe, @Achmed E. Newman
Elmer, wow what a lot of typing but thank you.
these 4 women got exactly what they voted for.
100% certain they are lifelong democrats and true believers.
Well now that’s odd: usually, legacy Americans (Beckys included) get thrown under the AA bus by many an “Ari Silver”.
I extend the same compassion to you and yours that you generously tendered to “Becky”. After all, maybe “Becky” can be salvaged and be brought back into the fold, whereas buying your “hey, fellow white guys, I’m just like you” okeydoke was what triggered this death-spiral in the first place!
It is certainly true that the outhouse countries of sub-Saharan Africa are characterized by the opposite of perfectionism, meritocracy, and the Protestant work ethic. It would be hard to find a more precise summary of why they are such terrible places to live.
I looked around a bit and think these bits of information about Success Academy Charter Schools in New York might cast some light. First, some proficiency data for each of their schools:
https://www.suny.edu/about/leadership/board-of-trustees/meetings/webcastdocs/D_Success%20Academy%20Charter%20Schools%20-%20Performance%20and%20Demographics.pdf
What struck me there is that the oldest class in their first charter Harlem 1 (CSD 3) is an obvious outlier in English Language Arts proficiency (94% in grade 8, next highest was 65% and lowest was 48%). That might be an indicator of effective schooling over the years, but I think the big difference between grades 7 and 8 is more a sign of being especially selective when choosing that first group. Math proficiency scores are almost all above 90% in that document which means there is not much useful information in those (though it does make me wonder about how rigorous the test is).
This NYT articles from about six months before your link gives some perspective about their second oldest charter Harlem 4 (CSD 3) which also happens to have an ELA proficiency of 81% in their oldest grade 6 and 47% in grade 5.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/07/nyregion/at-success-academy-charter-schools-polarizing-methods-and-superior-results.html
First the good (and this counteracts my cherry picking schools/grades and math ceiling concerns above to some degree, though not the possibility of systematic cheating): If you wanted to design a system for encouraging teachers to cheat, could you do better than the following? This sounds helpful (though draconian): This is a good partial explanation for higher performance, though actual numbers would help: As usual with the NYT, we get to more interesting information near the bottom of the article: Seems like a good example to raise whenever "excessive" suspension rates are being criticized.Replies: @Jack D, @Anon
Yes, I’ve read that the schools are intensively teach-to-the-test.
In addition, they drive the less smart students to withdraw from the school, and they do not admit new students in the higher grades, because that would have to be done by lottery.
They start out with a lottery chosen group, but they make the school application process and school orientation meetings complex enough that only smart, motivated parents tend to go through it (and that smartness and motivation are heritable).
: Yes, the behavior rules do improve test performance in this way: Students who misbehave are often less smart, since they do not follow the subject matter and get bored and then misbehave. The schools call mom and force her to take off work for a meeting. This happens a few times and then mom takes the kid out of the school.
Likewise, if academic performance is not up to par, guess what happens? The kid is put into a strict one-on-one tutoring class, which he hates. And then mom is called in for a meeting. “Your kid needs to work harder!” (In reality, it’s simply that the kid is not that smart.) A few school meetings like this and mom, you guessed it, pulls the kid out of the school.
By eighth grade only the smartest remain, and they are spending most of their time in test prep.
(Not that there aren't kinky conservatives, but they'd be unlikely to talk about it.)Replies: @Redneck farmer
Discipline is an act of love, is a traditional saying.
Never mind...
I thought that was about childrearing.
Never mind…
Hahahaaa, you know this morning when I was looking over the thread, I had a thought that I should have put some “Shedoobie”s in there! I stand corrected, Mr. Ganderson.
Educated, well-intentioned good girl in our town
I wonder where I'd be today if she had loved me too
Probably be driving kids to school
I guess I owe it all to Pamela Brown
All of my good times, all my roamin' around
One of these days I might be in your town
And I guess I owe it all to Pamela Brown
Seen the lights of cities and I've been inside their doors
Sailed to foreign countries and walked upon their shores
I guess the guy she married was the best part of my luck
She dug him cause he drove a pickup truck
I guess I owe it all to Pamela Brown
All of my good times, all my roamin' around
One of these days I might be in your town
And I guess I owe it all to Pamela Brown
I don't have to tell you just how beautiful she was
Everything it takes to get a guy like me in love
Lord, I hope she's happy 'cause she sure deserves to be
Especially for what she did for me.
I guess I owe it all to Pamela Brown
All of my good times, all my roamin' around
One of these days I might be in your town
And I guess I owe it all to Pamela BrownReplies: @Buffalo Joe, @Achmed E. Newman
You and Ganderson both have great musical tastes. I’d heard of Leo Kottke, but never heard a single song till now. I liked it 1st listen. Thanks for putting up the lyrics.
Joe, is this the same 6-figure-making former school superintendent, or not?
Nothing can save them. They’ve stolen the fruits of Affirmative Action that were intended for blacks for two generations or more. They’d do well to find some homes to make.
I thought it was “ain’t diversity grand.” Oh, but I forgot the sarc tag, didn’t I?
Maybe when the Chinese own the coastal regions of Washington, Oregon and California we can get a witness. But until then…
Used my agree earlier. I do love these people and their circular firing squad.
How can you send them that comment?
Fever swamp alert! Who says a temperature of > 105 Fahrenheit means you can’t offer a trenchant critique of the issue at hand?
No sympathy. Especially if they voted for what the Post calls “Mayor Putz.”
I basically agree, but I think you might be underestimating blacks at school entry. From pp. 358-359 of The g Factor.
Although there is some uncertainty, I think other rate of maturation observations (e.g. puberty timing) make longitudinal age variation in the B/W IQ gap likely. As always, I welcome better evidence.
One negative impact is I think this contributes to some of the stories we hear about elementary school excellence which does not continue in later results. It is easy (and all too common IMHO) to attribute that later failure to racism rather than different developmental trajectories.
This article speaks to your Success Academy/Stuy point:
https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/education/success-charter-kids-nab-elite-nyc-high-school-slots-article-1.2677005
Note how they carefully avoid mentioning which of the Elite 8 schools their students were actually admitted to (while mentioning the top three). To be fair, the results sound encouraging even so, but the way they overinflate the reality in the articles is annoying.
Names of top tier lacrosse (the whitest significant team sport) players.
https://twitter.com/kittygaga_/status/1129077402821451777Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Kaganovitch, @The Wild Geese Howard, @anon, @Laugh Track, @Buffalo Joe, @renault
It’s a list of the goofiest names in the sport, not the best players. There are many thousands of kids playing college lacrosse.
One negative impact is I think this contributes to some of the stories we hear about elementary school excellence which does not continue in later results. It is easy (and all too common IMHO) to attribute that later failure to racism rather than different developmental trajectories.
This article speaks to your Success Academy/Stuy point:
https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/education/success-charter-kids-nab-elite-nyc-high-school-slots-article-1.2677005
Note how they carefully avoid mentioning which of the Elite 8 schools their students were actually admitted to (while mentioning the top three). To be fair, the results sound encouraging even so, but the way they overinflate the reality in the articles is annoying.Replies: @Jack D
I stand corrected – the B/W difference at 1st grade is only .7 sigma and not 1 sigma. But then it gradually gets worse and bottoms out at 1.2 sigma. So saying it was a constant 1 sigma was not quite accurate but close enough for government work.
If I had to guess, .7 is roughly the genetic difference (which is already evident by age 6) and the later .5 sigma loss is due to bad environment. So maybe a really, really good school system (combined with various intrusive home interventions that would be regarded as “racist”) could stem the later .5 sigma losses but the .7 sigma gap is probably untouchable. The point is that unless the classroom teachers of Success Academy are doing gene editing, what they are claiming to do is literally impossible.
What IS possible is to do various forms of cream skimming (though there is not that much cream to skim in the 1st place) and then claim that what you are doing can be applied to the entire black population. It would be like putting together a basketball team made up of the most talented and tallest white kids in NYC and then claiming you had found the secret for making all white kids as good at basketball as blacks. If you actually did this, people would laugh in your face at the obvious ruse but because they are claiming to have found the Holy Grail of Gap Closing, the leftist education reporters who write about them are incredibly credulous and completely lacking in skepticism.
Fast life history is a better explanation. Black babies are born, walk and talk sooner. Around adolescence they reach their peak of development while others continue to grow mentally; that is when the 0.7 SD gap starts increasing to the 1.2 SD adult figure.
- Disappointing follow on results from early enrichment programs.
- Anecdotes of how someone was a star early but became ordinary later (IIRC there was one of those discussed here recently).
- Test score trajectories by grade. At a largely black school keeping test score performance consistent through the grades might be a big win. I wish better data was available regarding that. Interesting. I come to a different (less optimistic) conclusion, but yours is plausible. One relevant piece of information is that the heritability of intelligence increases with age:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2889158/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2889158/bin/nihms124896f1.jpg My guess is the genetic difference (in adults) is about 1 sigma (perhaps a bit less, admixture complicates understanding this) with the 0.7 being a result of earlier maturation (and would probably be smaller given equal environments) and the 1.2 being an overshoot because of the poor environment you mention. Not sure if we will ever know the truth given how taboo research in this area is.
The admixture issue is relevant here. Typical % black data for schools elides this. Inner city schools might be even worse off than the traditional 1 SD gap would indicate. Here is some old (is there any newer data like this?) work looking at admixture in different urban groups in the US. It varies from about 11-22% (see Table 5) so perhaps a 0.1 SD difference. And that ignores the probably more important environmental differences.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929707616280 I strongly agree. And the claims made are often ridiculous. But I do think as a society we should offer everyone as good a chance as possible to maximize their abilities (both low and high achievers and everyone in between). To that end, I think if we can get past the overblown rhetoric (and resulting political conclusions!) places like Success Academy do have much to offer to those who are willing and able to learn.
I like the idea of being able to experiment with educational practices so we can use the lessons learned (both positive AND negative) to improve education for all. So from that POV I am a fan of charter schools (and having an excellent example close by biases me a bit as well). But there are real issues across the board there with cream skimming so things are complicated. And the potential negative impact on the public schools of that cream skimming is a real concern.Replies: @Jack D, @Mr. Rational
In addition, they drive the less smart students to withdraw from the school, and they do not admit new students in the higher grades, because that would have to be done by lottery.
They start out with a lottery chosen group, but they make the school application process and school orientation meetings complex enough that only smart, motivated parents tend to go through it (and that smartness and motivation are heritable).
@Jack D: Yes, the behavior rules do improve test performance in this way: Students who misbehave are often less smart, since they do not follow the subject matter and get bored and then misbehave. The schools call mom and force her to take off work for a meeting. This happens a few times and then mom takes the kid out of the school.
Likewise, if academic performance is not up to par, guess what happens? The kid is put into a strict one-on-one tutoring class, which he hates. And then mom is called in for a meeting. "Your kid needs to work harder!" (In reality, it's simply that the kid is not that smart.) A few school meetings like this and mom, you guessed it, pulls the kid out of the school.
By eighth grade only the smartest remain, and they are spending most of their time in test prep.Replies: @Jack D
I’ll buy that. Basically what they are doing is sleight of hand where they take a randomly selected initial group and repeatedly do stealthy sorting on them so that in the end they have a carefully selected group but they can still claim that since the initial group was randomly selected it is therefore representative of the general population and what they are doing could be applied to the general population. It’s clever in a way but it’s no breakthrough.
I could see a clever stage magician doing a similar sorting trick where he starts out with a randomly selected group from the audience and then asks a series of seemingly unrelated questions or gives them tasks to do (all while appearing to be blindfolded) and in the end the people left standing on stage all have beards or have red hair or something. And people would wonder, “How did he do that?”
Is anyone here up on the charter school research literature? I understand there have been studies done in Massachusetts, but don't have a sense of how good they are. Looking at the top level claims at this page:
https://masscharterschools.org/academic-performance
I suspect the issues Jack D and Anon raise are present in their full glory.
Counter to this are the repeated studies which find that shared environment has no measurable influence on adult IQ.
Fast life history is a better explanation. Black babies are born, walk and talk sooner. Around adolescence they reach their peak of development while others continue to grow mentally; that is when the 0.7 SD gap starts increasing to the 1.2 SD adult figure.
Agreed. I thought it was worth bringing in the additional details because they impact trajectories and IMHO help explain some things we see with:
– Disappointing follow on results from early enrichment programs.
– Anecdotes of how someone was a star early but became ordinary later (IIRC there was one of those discussed here recently).
– Test score trajectories by grade. At a largely black school keeping test score performance consistent through the grades might be a big win. I wish better data was available regarding that.
Interesting. I come to a different (less optimistic) conclusion, but yours is plausible. One relevant piece of information is that the heritability of intelligence increases with age:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2889158/
My guess is the genetic difference (in adults) is about 1 sigma (perhaps a bit less, admixture complicates understanding this) with the 0.7 being a result of earlier maturation (and would probably be smaller given equal environments) and the 1.2 being an overshoot because of the poor environment you mention. Not sure if we will ever know the truth given how taboo research in this area is.
The admixture issue is relevant here. Typical % black data for schools elides this. Inner city schools might be even worse off than the traditional 1 SD gap would indicate. Here is some old (is there any newer data like this?) work looking at admixture in different urban groups in the US. It varies from about 11-22% (see Table 5) so perhaps a 0.1 SD difference. And that ignores the probably more important environmental differences.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929707616280
I strongly agree. And the claims made are often ridiculous. But I do think as a society we should offer everyone as good a chance as possible to maximize their abilities (both low and high achievers and everyone in between). To that end, I think if we can get past the overblown rhetoric (and resulting political conclusions!) places like Success Academy do have much to offer to those who are willing and able to learn.
I like the idea of being able to experiment with educational practices so we can use the lessons learned (both positive AND negative) to improve education for all. So from that POV I am a fan of charter schools (and having an excellent example close by biases me a bit as well). But there are real issues across the board there with cream skimming so things are complicated. And the potential negative impact on the public schools of that cream skimming is a real concern.
If they want to go back to school, let them bring in some kind of evidence that they are capable of doing better and be re-admitted. If they turn to crime, 3 Strikes laws will put an end to that.
That’s a good way to think about it. That means the studies should really look at the performance of ALL students who were originally selected.
Is anyone here up on the charter school research literature? I understand there have been studies done in Massachusetts, but don’t have a sense of how good they are. Looking at the top level claims at this page:
https://masscharterschools.org/academic-performance
I suspect the issues Jack D and Anon raise are present in their full glory.
- Disappointing follow on results from early enrichment programs.
- Anecdotes of how someone was a star early but became ordinary later (IIRC there was one of those discussed here recently).
- Test score trajectories by grade. At a largely black school keeping test score performance consistent through the grades might be a big win. I wish better data was available regarding that. Interesting. I come to a different (less optimistic) conclusion, but yours is plausible. One relevant piece of information is that the heritability of intelligence increases with age:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2889158/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2889158/bin/nihms124896f1.jpg My guess is the genetic difference (in adults) is about 1 sigma (perhaps a bit less, admixture complicates understanding this) with the 0.7 being a result of earlier maturation (and would probably be smaller given equal environments) and the 1.2 being an overshoot because of the poor environment you mention. Not sure if we will ever know the truth given how taboo research in this area is.
The admixture issue is relevant here. Typical % black data for schools elides this. Inner city schools might be even worse off than the traditional 1 SD gap would indicate. Here is some old (is there any newer data like this?) work looking at admixture in different urban groups in the US. It varies from about 11-22% (see Table 5) so perhaps a 0.1 SD difference. And that ignores the probably more important environmental differences.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929707616280 I strongly agree. And the claims made are often ridiculous. But I do think as a society we should offer everyone as good a chance as possible to maximize their abilities (both low and high achievers and everyone in between). To that end, I think if we can get past the overblown rhetoric (and resulting political conclusions!) places like Success Academy do have much to offer to those who are willing and able to learn.
I like the idea of being able to experiment with educational practices so we can use the lessons learned (both positive AND negative) to improve education for all. So from that POV I am a fan of charter schools (and having an excellent example close by biases me a bit as well). But there are real issues across the board there with cream skimming so things are complicated. And the potential negative impact on the public schools of that cream skimming is a real concern.Replies: @Jack D, @Mr. Rational
If there are a few black kids who are capable of being rescued from the pit of the ghetto, they should be allowed to educate themselves in a setting that is suitable for them without having to be the sacrificial lambs for the rest. The same is true of white kids who should not be bussed in for this reason.
Educating them together with other smart, motivated black kids (or really kids of any race but of TRULY comparable ability) in a charter school strikes me as a good idea. When they are educated in largely white/Asian magnet schools, they are usually at the bottom end of the class and this just creates cognitive dissonance which they usually solve in their minds by convincing themselves that they are victims of racism and carrying a chip on their shoulder for the rest of their life. It also makes it difficult for them to keep up the pace with the really bright Asian/white kids.
- Disappointing follow on results from early enrichment programs.
- Anecdotes of how someone was a star early but became ordinary later (IIRC there was one of those discussed here recently).
- Test score trajectories by grade. At a largely black school keeping test score performance consistent through the grades might be a big win. I wish better data was available regarding that. Interesting. I come to a different (less optimistic) conclusion, but yours is plausible. One relevant piece of information is that the heritability of intelligence increases with age:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2889158/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2889158/bin/nihms124896f1.jpg My guess is the genetic difference (in adults) is about 1 sigma (perhaps a bit less, admixture complicates understanding this) with the 0.7 being a result of earlier maturation (and would probably be smaller given equal environments) and the 1.2 being an overshoot because of the poor environment you mention. Not sure if we will ever know the truth given how taboo research in this area is.
The admixture issue is relevant here. Typical % black data for schools elides this. Inner city schools might be even worse off than the traditional 1 SD gap would indicate. Here is some old (is there any newer data like this?) work looking at admixture in different urban groups in the US. It varies from about 11-22% (see Table 5) so perhaps a 0.1 SD difference. And that ignores the probably more important environmental differences.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929707616280 I strongly agree. And the claims made are often ridiculous. But I do think as a society we should offer everyone as good a chance as possible to maximize their abilities (both low and high achievers and everyone in between). To that end, I think if we can get past the overblown rhetoric (and resulting political conclusions!) places like Success Academy do have much to offer to those who are willing and able to learn.
I like the idea of being able to experiment with educational practices so we can use the lessons learned (both positive AND negative) to improve education for all. So from that POV I am a fan of charter schools (and having an excellent example close by biases me a bit as well). But there are real issues across the board there with cream skimming so things are complicated. And the potential negative impact on the public schools of that cream skimming is a real concern.Replies: @Jack D, @Mr. Rational
On the contrary, I think we waste far too much money and effort on children who will only be capable of doing menial tasks, or turning to crime. We should see when their education reaches the point of diminishing returns and flunk them out for failure to advance, saving ourselves huge amounts of money. Bonus: the prospect of losing all those free in-school lunches and everything else will be a strong incentive for the entire fambly to keep honah stoont performance up.
If they want to go back to school, let them bring in some kind of evidence that they are capable of doing better and be re-admitted. If they turn to crime, 3 Strikes laws will put an end to that.
Is there any particular reason that comment editing is not working on isteve, but does work on sbpdl and anepigone?
Imagine what the schools would be like if they took all the money that is scammed away on phony contracts for diversity training run by people with names like Laquanda Jackson and Shitavia Brown and used it for the education of children
2. A nutrition gap
3. A parental involvement gap
4. A community expectations gap
5. The lack of an orderly school environment
6. Less exposure to vocabulary
7. Less access to books
8. Unspecified "other things"That's it? That's all? Haven't we heard all that before? And it seems like last year Eric Levitz at New York (he sits a few desks over from Mr. Chait, next to the Catskill Spring Water cooler) was telling us: Maybe lead was cause No. 8?Let's forget about Mr. Levitz for now and get back to Mr. Chait.So their are seven major causes of the achievement gap, which I think can be boiled down to:1. Health and nutrition. Black kids are starving and undernourished, probably suffering from scurvy, rickets, and beriberi. Somehow we have been led to believe that they are getting free and nutritious breakfasts and lunches on the taxpayer's dime, but either that is a lie, or it's their *dinners.* So I wonder: Does Success Academy server dinner?2. Parental involvment, vocabulary, and books. Perhaps a free set of an African-American literature book set can be distributed, along with specially commission rap songs that use a wide vocabulary of big words ("I'm a extirpate yo' gluteus maximus, nigga!"), plus a partental involvement guide ("Whip 'em good if they don't be reading.")3. Community expectations. I'm not sure what this is, but perhaps Success Academy is paying local community gang members to tattoo ("Study yo' books, nigga" on their foreheads).4. An orderly school environment. This is a tough one, but allow me to throw out a modest proposal: When a kid slugs a teacher, expel him and file a police report. Then sue the family and the school for medical exepenses. Garnish the prison license plate wages of the perp.At any rate, having read all this I wondered why this miracle of Success Academy has not been spread throughout the land. Trump-era racism? Not so, according to Chait. The villains are progressive union supporters. If only school teachers could be fired and replaced with young SJW TFA kids, who are not jaded and uppity - well, not jaded at least - the cure could be implemented everywhere.As a coda to his article Chait lets us in on a minor fly in the ointment: An "army" of skeptical researchers has "tried to poke holes" in claims of a cure, and these nattering nabobs of negativism have "dominated media coverage," including at the Atlantic and the New Yorker. Among the tactics used by these saboteurs is pointing out that only three in ten graduates of Success Academy type schools graduate from college. Within six years.By the way, how do we know that the gap has been closed? Is a standardized test given to students in charters and in public schools? Which test? Are we sure that the comparison is apples-to-apples? But these articles are written for laymen, so Chait merely cites "rigorous studies," linking to a New York Times article, an opinion piece by a researcher, which takes me to a rabbit hole I don't have time to go down. Chait's wife works in the charter industry, so perhaps he's just taking her word on it.Replies: @Laugh Track, @Jack D, @ATBOTL, @res, @Bugg, @Oleaginous Outrager
Do you know what “no excuses” means? It means any student who doesn’t look like doing well on the standardized tests is booted back to public school purgatory.
Guilty as charged...Replies: @Anonymous
I’m getting more than a little pissed off about the low IQ Maxine Waters Push Backs out there in the workforce; especially, in education.
It’s way over the top for teachers to fight ignorance every day only to come face to face with it being supersaturated in overpaid, incompetent, corrupt, administrators.
And I apologize for my pissy and unnecessary comment.