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From the Washington Post news section:

Black Memphis police spark dialogue on systemic racism in the U.S.

By Robert Klemko, Silvia Foster-Frau and Emily Davies
Updated January 29, 2023 at 9:04 p.m. EST

… The widely viewed videos of the Nichols beating provided fodder for right-wing media ecosystems that routinely blame Black America’s maladies on Black America, and spawned nuanced conversations among Black activists about how systemic racism can manifest in the actions of non-White people.

I think I’m going to start using “nuance” as a verb, as in “to repeat self-evidently preposterous Woke talking points.”

 
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  1. OT — When Musk infrastructure encounters CHAZ society.
    https://twitter.com/ClownWorld_/status/1619887424775258112

    • Thanks: The Anti-Gnostic, Dmon
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @J.Ross

    Clown World, like Libs of Tik-Tok, has become an indespensible guide to the contemporary scene:

    https://twitter.com/ClownWorld_

    Replies: @James Forrestal

    , @neutral
    @J.Ross

    I need to mention that copper theft plays a big role in South Africa's endless problems with its electrical grid. South Africa can be used to indicate what future the USA will face, which is why the US media likes to ignore what happens in South Africa.

    Replies: @Jack D, @mc23

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @J.Ross

    Since #1 is OT, here is another.

    Louis CK got busted for MeToo and confessed. He has since rebuilt his career by playing small clubs and producing videos and shows at his own expense.

    He performed at Madison Square Garden recently and the buzz is that he was great. You can see that show for free through 2/17 at https://louisck.com/.

    , @Richard B
    @J.Ross


    … The widely viewed videos of the Nichols beating provided fodder for right-wing media ecosystems that routinely blame Black America’s maladies on Black America
     
    Nice bit of narcissistic blame-shifting.

    and spawned nuanced conversations among Black activists about how systemic racism can manifest in the actions of non-White people.
     
    In other words...

    and triggered lots of kvetching among black activists about how they can continue to use the logical fallacy of misplaced correctness (systemic racism) so as to continue blaming white people for - everything.
  2. I’d like to hang around and read the comments, but I had a Super Grande Beef and Bean Burrito for dinner, and I feel a big nuance coming on.

  3. Did they start using “systemic” because “stochastic” was too hard to spell?
    ———-
    OT — It is happening again.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @J.Ross


    OT — It is happening again.
     
    Eggs are a key ingredient in almost every baked good, so restricting supply is an easy way to increase the price of all of them.

    They are also an excellent source of protein in their own right, and that is absolutely haram in Klaus' planned future.
    , @AnotherDad
    @J.Ross

    AnotherMom is making my eggs right now. But she paid 4.50ish for 18 at Walmart. (A dozen was the same.)

    Sad, cause yeah eggs are great source of affordable protein. This is grabbing a few more bucks out of people's budgets each week, and making a bunch of folks skip their delightful egg.

    It's bird flu that's jacked the price up. They've killed off tens of millions of hens in infected facilities. (Just be glad they didn't do that with Covid--next time.)

    Replies: @JR Ewing, @Jack D, @J.Ross, @Nicholas Stix, @Mr. Anon

  4. Here’s an old Auster post about how, when it comes to blacks, everything evens out.

    http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/023967.html

  5. This is nuts, to focus on these two things alone.

    My question is: When are we ever going to explore the systemic denial by progressives that black people have anything to do with their own problems?

    Unlike most of you, I am not conservative or a Republican. I want American blacks from slavery days to do better and I think they can. I really do. I admit whites as a group and individually have done many wrongs against blacks and still do.

    But encouraging and participating in this ridiculous alternative reality view that racism is the one and only reason bad things happen to blacks and that whites are ultimately responsible for everything wrong is stupid, immoral and completely counterproductive.

    It is past time for us to start doing something effective to stop black criminals and the havoc they cause. It is past time for cops to admit they are scared of and fed up with dealing the mindless criminal violence they encounter and constant noncompliance with requests they get every day in some cities and neighborhoods. Based in what I read, this guy didn’t stop for sirens until he hit a red light. Things started wrong and went downhill. He was unlucky to try the patience of fed up cops who had no patience left. Trying to run away in middle understandable but enraged them more. Even EMTs who initially responded but did nothing didn’t do their jobs. They were also probably fed up.

    These workers are going to have to pay for this excess and indifference but if we refuse to see truth and start changing things, we will just keep on having these incidents and not learning from them.

    • Agree: New Dealer
    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @notsaying

    notsaying wrote:


    This is nuts, to focus on these two things alone.

    My question is: When are we ever going to explore the systemic denial by progressives that black people have anything to do with their own problems?
     
    Well, the truth is that the Black cops in Memphis probably were prejudiced against other Blacks, but they were prejudiced because of objective facts about the incidence of crimes committed by Blacks.

    notsaying also wrote:

    Unlike most of you, I am not conservative or a Republican. I want American blacks from slavery days to do better and I think they can. I really do. I admit whites as a group and individually have done many wrongs against blacks and still do.
     
    I don't think most people here would disagree with that. The one amendment I would make is that most Whites currently alive have not been beastly to Blacks.

    And I do not think people should be held responsible for the sins of their ancestors -- whether it was what the ancestors of the Jews claimed to have done to the Canaanites or what my English ancestors did to my Irish ancestors or what our White ancestors did to the ancestors of contemporary Blacks.

    notsaying also wrote:

    It is past time for us to start doing something effective to stop black criminals and the havoc they cause. It is past time for cops to admit they are scared of and fed up with dealing the mindless criminal violence they encounter and constant noncompliance with requests they get every day in some cities and neighborhoods.
     
    Yes, but thaat would involve actually caring about poor Blacks. And most people who claim to care really do not.

    They are using Black folks as pawns -- at best they are virtue signalling; in many cases, they simply want power.

    And so far no one in public life has the guts to call them out for the human suffering and death they are causing.

    Replies: @notsaying, @Prester John, @mc23

    , @ic1000
    @notsaying

    > Unlike most of you, I am not conservative or a Republican.

    Well, I don't imagine you'd find many Conservative, Inc. stalwarts among this commentariat.

    As far as party loyalty, I'm back to being a Democrat, regaining the ability to vote for the least-bad viable candidate in the election that matters, here in Close-In Suburb of Rust Belt City.

    Sailer the Citizenist has expressed pro-black sentiments as strong as yours (and mine FWIW), many times. He's backed those up with practical policy suggestions. At this point in Turchin's Elite-Surplus cycle, such ideas are not exactly welcomed by our betters.

    , @Gabe Ruth
    @notsaying

    I hope the jurors see this at your show trial, but it's not going to do you any good.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @notsaying

    Have you ever entertained the idea that blacks actually don't possess agency?

    Replies: @J.Ross

  6. I think I’m going to start using “nuance” as a verb.

    I’ll partner with you on that, Steve.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @SafeNow



    I think I’m going to start using “nuance” as a verb.
     
    I’ll partner with you on that, Steve.
     
    I'll transition to that myself.

    ***************************************************
    BTW, the latest new-speak monstrosity that I've noticed (no, not the misuse of prepositions - don't get me started on prepositions) is the misuse of "downfall" for "drawback" or "reservation", i.e.: "this plan only has one downfall........" or "my only downfall with that is........".

    Replies: @Matthew Kelly, @Bill Jones

    , @kaganovitch
    @SafeNow

    Perhaps we can call you 'The Nuancy Boys' ? Not that I know from such things, but that sounds like a good Punk band name.

  7. @J.Ross
    OT -- When Musk infrastructure encounters CHAZ society.
    https://twitter.com/ClownWorld_/status/1619887424775258112

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @neutral, @Jim Don Bob, @Richard B

    Clown World, like Libs of Tik-Tok, has become an indespensible guide to the contemporary scene:

    • Thanks: J.Ross
    • Replies: @James Forrestal
    @Mr. Anon


    Clown World, like Libs of Tik-Tok, has become an indespensible guide to the contemporary scene:
     
    Kosher sandwich note:

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/twitter-activist-behind-far-right-libs-of-tiktok-revealed-to-be-us-orthodox-jew/

    Replies: @Yngvar

  8. @SafeNow

    I think I’m going to start using “nuance” as a verb.
     
    I’ll partner with you on that, Steve.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @kaganovitch

    I think I’m going to start using “nuance” as a verb.

    I’ll partner with you on that, Steve.

    I’ll transition to that myself.

    ***************************************************
    BTW, the latest new-speak monstrosity that I’ve noticed (no, not the misuse of prepositions – don’t get me started on prepositions) is the misuse of “downfall” for “drawback” or “reservation”, i.e.: “this plan only has one downfall……..” or “my only downfall with that is……..”.

    • Replies: @Matthew Kelly
    @Mr. Anon

    But the English language had deteriorated into a hybrid of hillbilly, valleygirl, inner-city slang and various grunts. Joe was able to understand them, but when he spoke in an ordinary voice he sounded pompous and faggy to them.

    , @Bill Jones
    @Mr. Anon


    I’ll transition to that myself.
     
    I'm waiting a fuller interrogation of the subject.

    Oh, Wait!
    Isn't that what what the Polis do if they fail to kill you?
  9. … The widely viewed videos of the Nichols beating provided fodder for right-wing media ecosystems

    Ecosystems! One expects to see screen captures of a conservative blog with narration by David Attenborough: “Here we see the MAGA predator in it’s natural environment…….”

    Does WaPo ever admit to the existence of “left-wing media ecosystems”?

  10. @J.Ross
    OT -- When Musk infrastructure encounters CHAZ society.
    https://twitter.com/ClownWorld_/status/1619887424775258112

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @neutral, @Jim Don Bob, @Richard B

    I need to mention that copper theft plays a big role in South Africa’s endless problems with its electrical grid. South Africa can be used to indicate what future the USA will face, which is why the US media likes to ignore what happens in South Africa.

    • Thanks: J.Ross
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @neutral

    Copper theft is not just blacks. In the US, it's popular among white addicts. Sometimes they try to steal stuff that is still energized and they get fried.

    The recent outages in Washington State that affected thousands of customers were caused by a couple of white guys. Somehow in order to steal one cash register they went around and shot out 4 major substations and caused $3 million in damages. Now it's going to cost the taxpayers millions more because they are going to lock these guys up for a long time on Federal charges.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11596107/Two-men-charged-power-substation-attacks-left-thousands-Washington-state-without-power.html

    The energy infrastructure in the US is highly vulnerable. The MSM has some canned narrative that right wing evil KKK dudes are going after it, which is surely 99% BS but the fact remains that most substations are situated outdoors, unmanned and only lightly protected with chain link fences and very vulnerable.

    Replies: @Cato

    , @mc23
    @neutral

    The idiocracy that's South Africa is renting Power Ships from a Turkish company, floating power plants, for a period up to 20 years. The company provides the skiledl staff to run the ships.

    Now if they can only stop the locals from looting the distribution grid

  11. @notsaying
    This is nuts, to focus on these two things alone.

    My question is: When are we ever going to explore the systemic denial by progressives that black people have anything to do with their own problems?

    Unlike most of you, I am not conservative or a Republican. I want American blacks from slavery days to do better and I think they can. I really do. I admit whites as a group and individually have done many wrongs against blacks and still do.

    But encouraging and participating in this ridiculous alternative reality view that racism is the one and only reason bad things happen to blacks and that whites are ultimately responsible for everything wrong is stupid, immoral and completely counterproductive.

    It is past time for us to start doing something effective to stop black criminals and the havoc they cause. It is past time for cops to admit they are scared of and fed up with dealing the mindless criminal violence they encounter and constant noncompliance with requests they get every day in some cities and neighborhoods. Based in what I read, this guy didn't stop for sirens until he hit a red light. Things started wrong and went downhill. He was unlucky to try the patience of fed up cops who had no patience left. Trying to run away in middle understandable but enraged them more. Even EMTs who initially responded but did nothing didn't do their jobs. They were also probably fed up.

    These workers are going to have to pay for this excess and indifference but if we refuse to see truth and start changing things, we will just keep on having these incidents and not learning from them.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @ic1000, @Gabe Ruth, @Reg Cæsar

    notsaying wrote:

    This is nuts, to focus on these two things alone.

    My question is: When are we ever going to explore the systemic denial by progressives that black people have anything to do with their own problems?

    Well, the truth is that the Black cops in Memphis probably were prejudiced against other Blacks, but they were prejudiced because of objective facts about the incidence of crimes committed by Blacks.

    notsaying also wrote:

    Unlike most of you, I am not conservative or a Republican. I want American blacks from slavery days to do better and I think they can. I really do. I admit whites as a group and individually have done many wrongs against blacks and still do.

    I don’t think most people here would disagree with that. The one amendment I would make is that most Whites currently alive have not been beastly to Blacks.

    And I do not think people should be held responsible for the sins of their ancestors — whether it was what the ancestors of the Jews claimed to have done to the Canaanites or what my English ancestors did to my Irish ancestors or what our White ancestors did to the ancestors of contemporary Blacks.

    notsaying also wrote:

    It is past time for us to start doing something effective to stop black criminals and the havoc they cause. It is past time for cops to admit they are scared of and fed up with dealing the mindless criminal violence they encounter and constant noncompliance with requests they get every day in some cities and neighborhoods.

    Yes, but thaat would involve actually caring about poor Blacks. And most people who claim to care really do not.

    They are using Black folks as pawns — at best they are virtue signalling; in many cases, they simply want power.

    And so far no one in public life has the guts to call them out for the human suffering and death they are causing.

    • Replies: @notsaying
    @PhysicistDave

    The amount of baloney from so-called thought leaders and political leadership at all levels is increasing as I see a downhill spiral affecting all groups except elites.

    On top of my usual worries and the usual idiocy, Mickey Kaus on Twitter pointed the immigration policy statement of progressive but no dummy Congressman Ro Khanna of California. He is calling for asylum seekers to be able to sponsor grandchildren! If he is calling for granting right for third generation to come to US, others will be too, if they aren't already.

    I can't stand all this.

    The country can't absorb all these people, deal with all these demands or pay for the people already here, much less tens of millions of new ones

    https://www.rokhanna.com/issues/fighting-immigration-reform

    Replies: @Renard, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    , @Prester John
    @PhysicistDave

    "They are using Black folks as pawns — at best they are virtue signalling; in many cases, they simply want power."

    They always have. And I suspect that the majority of Americans know this but for want of a megaphone they are forced to endure having outright bullshit thrown in their faces and being called "Deplorables" by people who evidently cannot relate in any way to the rest of America in any way other than in terms of master-servant.

    , @mc23
    @PhysicistDave

    The biggest cause of death of black men under 40 is other black men

  12. nuanced conversations among Black activists

    When an ordinary conversation cannot lead to the conclusion “blame whitey”, what we need is a “nuanced conversation”.

    • Replies: @JR Ewing
    @James N. Kennett

    That's when it gets "complex".

  13. @PhysicistDave
    @notsaying

    notsaying wrote:


    This is nuts, to focus on these two things alone.

    My question is: When are we ever going to explore the systemic denial by progressives that black people have anything to do with their own problems?
     
    Well, the truth is that the Black cops in Memphis probably were prejudiced against other Blacks, but they were prejudiced because of objective facts about the incidence of crimes committed by Blacks.

    notsaying also wrote:

    Unlike most of you, I am not conservative or a Republican. I want American blacks from slavery days to do better and I think they can. I really do. I admit whites as a group and individually have done many wrongs against blacks and still do.
     
    I don't think most people here would disagree with that. The one amendment I would make is that most Whites currently alive have not been beastly to Blacks.

    And I do not think people should be held responsible for the sins of their ancestors -- whether it was what the ancestors of the Jews claimed to have done to the Canaanites or what my English ancestors did to my Irish ancestors or what our White ancestors did to the ancestors of contemporary Blacks.

    notsaying also wrote:

    It is past time for us to start doing something effective to stop black criminals and the havoc they cause. It is past time for cops to admit they are scared of and fed up with dealing the mindless criminal violence they encounter and constant noncompliance with requests they get every day in some cities and neighborhoods.
     
    Yes, but thaat would involve actually caring about poor Blacks. And most people who claim to care really do not.

    They are using Black folks as pawns -- at best they are virtue signalling; in many cases, they simply want power.

    And so far no one in public life has the guts to call them out for the human suffering and death they are causing.

    Replies: @notsaying, @Prester John, @mc23

    The amount of baloney from so-called thought leaders and political leadership at all levels is increasing as I see a downhill spiral affecting all groups except elites.

    On top of my usual worries and the usual idiocy, Mickey Kaus on Twitter pointed the immigration policy statement of progressive but no dummy Congressman Ro Khanna of California. He is calling for asylum seekers to be able to sponsor grandchildren! If he is calling for granting right for third generation to come to US, others will be too, if they aren’t already.

    I can’t stand all this.

    The country can’t absorb all these people, deal with all these demands or pay for the people already here, much less tens of millions of new ones

    https://www.rokhanna.com/issues/fighting-immigration-reform

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Thanks: PhysicistDave
    • Replies: @Renard
    @notsaying


    The country can’t absorb all these people, deal with all these demands or pay for the people already here, much less tens of millions of new ones
     
    (Insert photos of new shanty towns here)
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @notsaying


    The country can’t absorb all these people, deal with all these demands or pay for the people already here, much less tens of millions of new ones
     
    True.

    So tell us again why you are neither an (R) nor a conservative? And yes, I accept that Republicans and conservatives include defective members, ideas, and practices. What is your superior alternative?

    Replies: @notsaying

  14. Let’s have more facts!

    “According to the U.S. Census Bureau, Memphis is the poorest city in the United States with a median household income of $32,285, or $37,767 for a family. 17% of families and almost 21% of the population lives below the poverty line, including 30% of people under the age of 18.”

    Poorest city in US! Why doesn’t everybody know that now? Yet a throwback to old days: it is almost all Black (2/3!) and white. It is a real outlier but will anybody study this to figure out what is going on? Or will it all be race-race-race?

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities/memphis-tn-population

    • Replies: @Skyler the Weird
    @notsaying

    Anyone know if they tore down the Great American Pyramid and Mud Island?

    , @Dmon
    @notsaying

    That's their problem! They're almost completely either black or White - not enough illegal immigrants. Everybody knows that modern, prosperous information economies depend almost entirely on illegal immigrants, who each come from their country of origin carrying 1.8 jobs with them. Why aren't DeSantis and Abbot shipping illegals to Memphis? The obvious answer is that they're racists who don't really care about their fellow Americans, but are only pulling a political stunt to destroy the rich diversity and racial harmony of places like Martha's Vineyard.

    Man - all this nuancing is mentally exhausting.

    Replies: @Hibernian

  15. @notsaying
    @PhysicistDave

    The amount of baloney from so-called thought leaders and political leadership at all levels is increasing as I see a downhill spiral affecting all groups except elites.

    On top of my usual worries and the usual idiocy, Mickey Kaus on Twitter pointed the immigration policy statement of progressive but no dummy Congressman Ro Khanna of California. He is calling for asylum seekers to be able to sponsor grandchildren! If he is calling for granting right for third generation to come to US, others will be too, if they aren't already.

    I can't stand all this.

    The country can't absorb all these people, deal with all these demands or pay for the people already here, much less tens of millions of new ones

    https://www.rokhanna.com/issues/fighting-immigration-reform

    Replies: @Renard, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    The country can’t absorb all these people, deal with all these demands or pay for the people already here, much less tens of millions of new ones

    (Insert photos of new shanty towns here)

  16. @notsaying
    This is nuts, to focus on these two things alone.

    My question is: When are we ever going to explore the systemic denial by progressives that black people have anything to do with their own problems?

    Unlike most of you, I am not conservative or a Republican. I want American blacks from slavery days to do better and I think they can. I really do. I admit whites as a group and individually have done many wrongs against blacks and still do.

    But encouraging and participating in this ridiculous alternative reality view that racism is the one and only reason bad things happen to blacks and that whites are ultimately responsible for everything wrong is stupid, immoral and completely counterproductive.

    It is past time for us to start doing something effective to stop black criminals and the havoc they cause. It is past time for cops to admit they are scared of and fed up with dealing the mindless criminal violence they encounter and constant noncompliance with requests they get every day in some cities and neighborhoods. Based in what I read, this guy didn't stop for sirens until he hit a red light. Things started wrong and went downhill. He was unlucky to try the patience of fed up cops who had no patience left. Trying to run away in middle understandable but enraged them more. Even EMTs who initially responded but did nothing didn't do their jobs. They were also probably fed up.

    These workers are going to have to pay for this excess and indifference but if we refuse to see truth and start changing things, we will just keep on having these incidents and not learning from them.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @ic1000, @Gabe Ruth, @Reg Cæsar

    > Unlike most of you, I am not conservative or a Republican.

    Well, I don’t imagine you’d find many Conservative, Inc. stalwarts among this commentariat.

    As far as party loyalty, I’m back to being a Democrat, regaining the ability to vote for the least-bad viable candidate in the election that matters, here in Close-In Suburb of Rust Belt City.

    Sailer the Citizenist has expressed pro-black sentiments as strong as yours (and mine FWIW), many times. He’s backed those up with practical policy suggestions. At this point in Turchin’s Elite-Surplus cycle, such ideas are not exactly welcomed by our betters.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
  17. Taking the blame for your own problem is mental health.

    Nobody else is going to fix your problems. So, the best thing to do is to blame yourself. Acknowledging this is the only way to fix your problems.

    • Replies: @Shouting Thomas
    @Shouting Thomas

    An addendum:

    White liberals are encouraging mental illness in blacks by encouraging them to blame whites for their problems.

    Replies: @Mike Tre

  18. @Shouting Thomas
    Taking the blame for your own problem is mental health.

    Nobody else is going to fix your problems. So, the best thing to do is to blame yourself. Acknowledging this is the only way to fix your problems.

    Replies: @Shouting Thomas

    An addendum:

    White liberals are encouraging mental illness in blacks by encouraging them to blame whites for their problems.

    • Agree: Thea
    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Shouting Thomas

    "White liberals are encouraging mental illness in blacks..."

    Off base. This is like saying tall people are encouraging physical shortness in short people by encouraging them to blame tall people for their shortness.

    Blacks don't behave the way they do because they are mentally ill. That is merely another cop out.

    Blacks behave the way they do because they are black, and all controls on their behavior have been removed.

  19. @James N. Kennett

    nuanced conversations among Black activists
     
    When an ordinary conversation cannot lead to the conclusion "blame whitey", what we need is a "nuanced conversation".

    Replies: @JR Ewing

    That’s when it gets “complex”.

  20. Contemporary progressives are making a mistake parallel to what progressives in the 60s made. Back then, the overwhelming assumption was that the plight of blacks was due to Jim Crow laws and overtly racist policies in society. So the solution was to first pass laws that guaranteed citizenship rights and secondly to provide economic support to enable bootstrapping, including extending mortgages to people who would never earn enough to pay them off. The assumption was that blacks would certainly take advantage of the opportunities and within a couple of generations get caught up. Well, that hasn’t happened except that there now exists a black elite, educated at our finest universities, which finds itself way out of touch with the base population of blacks, frozen in despair by lower IQ, high crime rates that see blacks preying on other blacks. The new explanation for the failure of blacks to catch up is that “systemic” racism exists, much like the fictitious ether that 19th century physicists thought was the medium for propagating electromagnetic waves, a theory roundly crushed by experimental science. Thus the absurdity of white editorialists claiming that black on black violence is the fault of whites. The solution is more affirmative action, reparations, elimination of urban roads that allegedly carved up vibrant black neighborhoods, constant harping about long-dead black martyrs (Till) and FDRs redlining. It’s not going to work. It will never work. I’ll be happily dead by the time my kids figure that out.

    • Replies: @Gordo
    @Dan Smith


    The new explanation for the failure of blacks to catch up is that “systemic” racism exists, much like the fictitious ether that 19th century physicists thought was the medium for propagating electromagnetic waves, a theory roundly crushed by experimental science.
     
    Nice.

    Replies: @New Dealer

  21. @J.Ross
    Did they start using "systemic" because "stochastic" was too hard to spell?
    ----------
    OT -- It is happening again.
    https://twitter.com/amuse/status/1619737463215505410

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @AnotherDad

    OT — It is happening again.

    Eggs are a key ingredient in almost every baked good, so restricting supply is an easy way to increase the price of all of them.

    They are also an excellent source of protein in their own right, and that is absolutely haram in Klaus’ planned future.

  22. Obviously nuance = excuses. It’s quite a bind because beating up on cops has been an effective tactic for rallying the troops around examples of systemic white racism, but when it’s black guys who are the baddies then lots of convoluted explanations for how one can be a minority and an active participant in white supremacy are rolled out, and not a lot of people other than the online left really buy that.

  23. @notsaying
    Let's have more facts!

    "According to the U.S. Census Bureau, Memphis is the poorest city in the United States with a median household income of $32,285, or $37,767 for a family. 17% of families and almost 21% of the population lives below the poverty line, including 30% of people under the age of 18."

    Poorest city in US! Why doesn't everybody know that now? Yet a throwback to old days: it is almost all Black (2/3!) and white. It is a real outlier but will anybody study this to figure out what is going on? Or will it all be race-race-race?

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities/memphis-tn-population

    Replies: @Skyler the Weird, @Dmon

    Anyone know if they tore down the Great American Pyramid and Mud Island?

  24. fodder for right-wing media ecosystems that routinely blame Black America’s maladies on Black America

    They just put that right there in the lede, as if it’s some kind of outrageous and objectively racist claim that black people should have any agency.

  25. The solution to addressing this problem of negroes blaming Europeans for their own prehumanist behavior is to simply do nothing, watch the NFL until something like this happens again, and then to notice it.

  26. @Shouting Thomas
    @Shouting Thomas

    An addendum:

    White liberals are encouraging mental illness in blacks by encouraging them to blame whites for their problems.

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    “White liberals are encouraging mental illness in blacks…”

    Off base. This is like saying tall people are encouraging physical shortness in short people by encouraging them to blame tall people for their shortness.

    Blacks don’t behave the way they do because they are mentally ill. That is merely another cop out.

    Blacks behave the way they do because they are black, and all controls on their behavior have been removed.

    • Agree: Matthew Kelly
  27. Remember that white lady jogger that got murdered in Memphis recently ? Neither does anyone else.

  28. When I was young, people on the right made idiots of themselves by seeing communist plots everywhere. Now it’s people on the left making idiots of themselves by seeing racism everywhere.

    • Agree: New Dealer
    • Replies: @fnn
    @John Pepple

    Also Russians, who are seen as part of the International Right-Wing Conspiracy.

  29. Nothing nuanced here:

    Van Jones penned a piece published on CNN’s website which declared that the officers “might still” be guilty of racism even though they were black and Nichols was black:

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2023/01/van-jones-five-black-officers-who-beat-black-memphian-tyre-nichols-mightve-been-motivated-by-racism/

  30. To nuance, v.t. and v.i. :To provide a meaning or conclusion, or random fart as it were, that instills gravitas and significance to previously as yet unrealized implications, truths or experiences or reality. For example. Five negro cops bludgeon a negro to death. At first glance or assumption or inclination, it’s police brutality of the negro persuasion. Only after proper nuancing do we understand that this is a prime example of system white privilege.

  31. Isn’t ‘nudge’ the verb?

    BTW, who told the MSM it’s pronounced “tie-ree” and not like “tire?”

  32. Nuance is good but I was also impressed by “media ecosystem,” like Unz columnists eat invasive bugs and the carcasses of old stories decompose to enrich the soil

  33. We’ve long since passed the point where, in terms of media “nuance,” this latest incident has far surpassed the murder of that innocent Memphis woman as she was out for a morning run

  34. Following the main news media’s logic, one must ask what actions of black people anywhere could possibly be attributed to black people themselves. Do the black people who obey the law do so, too, because of systemic racism? Do black policemen in Haiti ever mistreat suspects, and if they do, is it because they too have incorporated “systemic racism” into their thinking and behavior? When Jessye Norman sang Richard Strauss’s “Four Last Songs” and amazed and delighted her audiences, was it because of “systemic racism”?

    • Thanks: JR Ewing
    • Replies: @martin_2
    @Tono-Bungay


    Do the black people who obey the law do so, too, because of systemic racism?
     
    This is an excellent point. (Actually quite nuanced.)
  35. “The lackeys of a white supremacist state can also have black skin” isn’t an inherently ridiculous observation, and it seems foolish to pretend otherwise.

    What’s missing from these WaPo / NYT / NPR arguments is any semblance of intellectual honesty about basically any of the issues involved, including among others: (i) crime rates among blacks; (ii) any need to provide evidence that various measures of black underperformance are the result of racism; and (iii) evidence about what kinds of policing actually reduce crime with what trade-offs.

    It’s not that nuance is wrong per se, but that they are transparently using it as an excuse to avoid confronting reality.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Recently Based


    It’s not that nuance is wrong per se, but that they are transparently using it as an excuse to avoid confronting reality.
     
    Thanks for a compellingly nuanced take on nuance.
  36. fodder for right-wing media ecosystems that routinely blame Black America’s maladies on Black America, and spawned nuanced conversations among Black activists about how systemic racism can manifest in the actions of non-White people.

    Nothing unbiased here.

    Right wingers are brutes who use tragedy as fodder. They are always blaming Black America for stuff like crime and confusing us with facts. Black America has nothing to do with crime. Most criminals are rich white men like on Law & Order. How dare they consider a beating of black man by 5 black cops as having anything do do with Black America?

    Black activist OTOH have “nuanced conversations” (yeah, when I see “Black activist”, “nuanced conversation” is definitely the first thing that comes to mind) that ‘splain you how it is that a beating of black man by 5 black cops is actually white people’s fault. A “nuanced conversation” is apparently what you have when someone instructs you not to believe your lying eyes. Any fool could look at a situation and take it at face value but a master of “nuanced conversation” can convince you to look beyond superficial appearances and believe the opposite of what your eyes tell you.

    • Agree: Patrick in SC
  37. …provided fodder for right-wing media ecosystems that routinely blame Black America’s maladies on Black America, and spawned nuanced conversations among Black activists about how systemic racism…

    Do ecosystems really need “fodder,” like livestock? Anyway…

    “Nuanced conversions.” Exactly what comes to mind when I think of Black Twitter.

  38. “spawned nuanced conversations among Black activists”

    I’m not sure black activists are capable of having nuanced conversations. They lack the gray matter. They are capable of aping the “feel,” but not the substance, of a logical argument. Hence the woke quasi-academic nonsense. They are also very good at pathos.

  39. @neutral
    @J.Ross

    I need to mention that copper theft plays a big role in South Africa's endless problems with its electrical grid. South Africa can be used to indicate what future the USA will face, which is why the US media likes to ignore what happens in South Africa.

    Replies: @Jack D, @mc23

    Copper theft is not just blacks. In the US, it’s popular among white addicts. Sometimes they try to steal stuff that is still energized and they get fried.

    The recent outages in Washington State that affected thousands of customers were caused by a couple of white guys. Somehow in order to steal one cash register they went around and shot out 4 major substations and caused $3 million in damages. Now it’s going to cost the taxpayers millions more because they are going to lock these guys up for a long time on Federal charges.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11596107/Two-men-charged-power-substation-attacks-left-thousands-Washington-state-without-power.html

    The energy infrastructure in the US is highly vulnerable. The MSM has some canned narrative that right wing evil KKK dudes are going after it, which is surely 99% BS but the fact remains that most substations are situated outdoors, unmanned and only lightly protected with chain link fences and very vulnerable.

    • Replies: @Cato
    @Jack D

    I recently googled the name of a friend from high school and found a news story about him. He had apparently been trying to steal some outdoor copper wiring, but the wires had been live, and he sustained injuries. He was white, but a person who had a very bad start in life (his father murdered his mother, and he spent half of his childhood in foster care).

    Replies: @Jack D

  40. BTW, according to the NY Times headline that Steve quoted earlier, it was a “Complex Conversation” rather than a “nuanced conversation”. Which is it, Minions of JournoList? Next time, make sure to get the Party Line talking points straight before you print them.

    A “Conversation about Race” is what you have when white cops kill a Black Man – a “Conversation” is just a straight up lecture where you are instructed that white people are always evil. However, a “nuanced” or “complex” conversation is when black cops kill a Black Man and you have to spin it so that it is white people’s fault anyway so that even blacks killing blacks in a majority black city with a black female police chief and no white people in sight is STILL “about Race”.

    • Agree: kaganovitch, J.Ross
  41. I think I’m going to start using “nuance” as a verb…

    The media are driven to nuance
    to get at the Whom that the Who wants.
    The constant distress
    in our lives? It’s the press
    and its deliberately corrupting in
    fluance.

    The cognate of which is…

  42. @SafeNow

    I think I’m going to start using “nuance” as a verb.
     
    I’ll partner with you on that, Steve.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @kaganovitch

    Perhaps we can call you ‘The Nuancy Boys’ ? Not that I know from such things, but that sounds like a good Punk band name.

    • LOL: SafeNow
  43. ‘…I think I’m going to start using “nuance” as a verb, as in “to repeat self-evidently preposterous Woke talking points.”…’

    The thing is, these ‘self-evidently preposterous talking points’ have an eroding effect if repeated often enough — they cut a channel through our mind.

    Take ‘diversity is our strength.’ Well, that’s not true: the Japanese have accomplished so much precisely because their culture isn’t heterogeneous, and most famous military units have been drawn from not just the same nation and the same ethnicity, but even the same region. Even in the American army, consider the 442nd Regimental Combat Team; how impressive would those Japanese have been spread around to ‘diversify’ ten or twenty other regiments?

    And yet, simply by dint of repetition, we take it as good if we walk into a hospital and some large chunk of the staff is dot-Indian, and another is black, and yet another is white, and so on.

    Of course that isn’t so — but we’ve all been conditioned to see it as good.

    People believe what they’re told — even when what they’re looking at directly contradicts it. I got exasperated with my wife when we were traveling and she picked up the idea from Facebook or whatever that Muslim women were fat. We happened to be in a bus station in Turkey at the time. I simply took pictures of the next seven women we saw. One was sort of pleasantly matronly — the other six were impeccably thin. They certainly compared favorably to what you’d see if you walked into your local Walmart.

    It hadn’t mattered. My wife had started to believe what she was told — as opposed to what she could see. Repetition works.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Colin Wright

    This sounds like more of an overgeneralization by your wife rather than an outright brainwashing. "Muslim women" is a very broad category. There are about 2 billion Muslims in the world or a billion Muslim women. Racially these Muslims range from Sub-Saharan African to Caucasian to South and East Asian. Not only are there genetic differences but major cultural differences between different Muslim groups.

    Turkish women are basically Caucasian and their diet is mostly a healthy Mediterranean type diet so they aren't going to be especially fat like sub-Saharan women or junk food fed American whites. Also the fact that you saw these women in a bus station meant that they were probably not bored stay at home moms, who tend to overeat.

    But, OTOH, if you are talking about the Arab women of the Gaza Strip, obesity is a real problem.

    https://www.albawaba.com/mena_voices/battle-bulge-obesity-gaza-strip-rise-672854

    Any welfare type population where people are getting free food tends to be fat. Take away the food stamps and those folks in Wal-Mart wouldn't be as fat either. Everyone knows that the tastiest kind of food is free food.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Colin Wright

    , @Corvinus
    @Colin Wright

    “Well, that’s not true: the Japanese have accomplished so much precisely because their culture isn’t”

    No, they’ve accomplished a great many things due to their innovative people. It make no difference if
    they are a heterogenous or homogenous society.

    “People believe what they’re told — even when what they’re looking at directly contradicts it”

    That’s called confirmation bias. We are all prone to it.

    Replies: @Patrick in SC, @Recently Based, @JR Ewing

    , @Cato
    @Colin Wright

    If you had been on the average beach in Turkey thirty years ago, the only fat children would have been tourists from Europe. Now, a high proportion of Turkish children are overweight. Turks blame a lifestyle change -- their children, like ours, sit glued to a computer monitor most of the day.

    But Turkish women tend to have an hourglass shape -- they do not put on much weight in their midsection. So when they gain weight they do not lose their femininity.

  44. @Mr. Anon
    @J.Ross

    Clown World, like Libs of Tik-Tok, has become an indespensible guide to the contemporary scene:

    https://twitter.com/ClownWorld_

    Replies: @James Forrestal

    Clown World, like Libs of Tik-Tok, has become an indespensible guide to the contemporary scene:

    Kosher sandwich note:

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/twitter-activist-behind-far-right-libs-of-tiktok-revealed-to-be-us-orthodox-jew/

    • Replies: @Yngvar
    @James Forrestal

    She's trying to tear down the system! Every. Single. Time. /j

  45. @notsaying
    Let's have more facts!

    "According to the U.S. Census Bureau, Memphis is the poorest city in the United States with a median household income of $32,285, or $37,767 for a family. 17% of families and almost 21% of the population lives below the poverty line, including 30% of people under the age of 18."

    Poorest city in US! Why doesn't everybody know that now? Yet a throwback to old days: it is almost all Black (2/3!) and white. It is a real outlier but will anybody study this to figure out what is going on? Or will it all be race-race-race?

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities/memphis-tn-population

    Replies: @Skyler the Weird, @Dmon

    That’s their problem! They’re almost completely either black or White – not enough illegal immigrants. Everybody knows that modern, prosperous information economies depend almost entirely on illegal immigrants, who each come from their country of origin carrying 1.8 jobs with them. Why aren’t DeSantis and Abbot shipping illegals to Memphis? The obvious answer is that they’re racists who don’t really care about their fellow Americans, but are only pulling a political stunt to destroy the rich diversity and racial harmony of places like Martha’s Vineyard.

    Man – all this nuancing is mentally exhausting.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Dmon

    Copper theft is a job that apparently both White and Black Americans will do.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  46. @notsaying
    This is nuts, to focus on these two things alone.

    My question is: When are we ever going to explore the systemic denial by progressives that black people have anything to do with their own problems?

    Unlike most of you, I am not conservative or a Republican. I want American blacks from slavery days to do better and I think they can. I really do. I admit whites as a group and individually have done many wrongs against blacks and still do.

    But encouraging and participating in this ridiculous alternative reality view that racism is the one and only reason bad things happen to blacks and that whites are ultimately responsible for everything wrong is stupid, immoral and completely counterproductive.

    It is past time for us to start doing something effective to stop black criminals and the havoc they cause. It is past time for cops to admit they are scared of and fed up with dealing the mindless criminal violence they encounter and constant noncompliance with requests they get every day in some cities and neighborhoods. Based in what I read, this guy didn't stop for sirens until he hit a red light. Things started wrong and went downhill. He was unlucky to try the patience of fed up cops who had no patience left. Trying to run away in middle understandable but enraged them more. Even EMTs who initially responded but did nothing didn't do their jobs. They were also probably fed up.

    These workers are going to have to pay for this excess and indifference but if we refuse to see truth and start changing things, we will just keep on having these incidents and not learning from them.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @ic1000, @Gabe Ruth, @Reg Cæsar

    I hope the jurors see this at your show trial, but it’s not going to do you any good.

    • LOL: notsaying
  47. @J.Ross
    Did they start using "systemic" because "stochastic" was too hard to spell?
    ----------
    OT -- It is happening again.
    https://twitter.com/amuse/status/1619737463215505410

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @AnotherDad

    AnotherMom is making my eggs right now. But she paid 4.50ish for 18 at Walmart. (A dozen was the same.)

    Sad, cause yeah eggs are great source of affordable protein. This is grabbing a few more bucks out of people’s budgets each week, and making a bunch of folks skip their delightful egg.

    It’s bird flu that’s jacked the price up. They’ve killed off tens of millions of hens in infected facilities. (Just be glad they didn’t do that with Covid–next time.)

    • Replies: @JR Ewing
    @AnotherDad


    It’s bird flu that’s jacked the price up. They’ve killed off tens of millions of hens in infected facilities.
     
    I have a couple of dozen chickens on my rural property. Get about 6-7 dozen eggs per week and sell them all quickly.

    The best part is that I have an excuse to shoot the grackles and starlings that are always showing up in massive numbers. They are wild birds and I'm just trying stop the spread of bird flu to my chickens.

    Replies: @Anon

    , @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    Even $3 or more a dozen, eggs are still cheap. Two eggs (a typical serving) still cost only 50 cents. What American (not on food stamps) cannot afford 50 cents?

    Do you know what's expensive? Eating out. Those same two eggs at the cheapest diner are going to be at least $6 with tax and tip. The best way to save $ is to eat at home.

    Covid really broke the restaurant habit for me. I wasn't big on them anyway but I'd still eat out maybe once/week on average. Now it's more like 1x/month. Not only do I not enjoy spending at least 5x the $ for often mediocre food and indifferent service but this way I control the amount of salt, type of fat, etc. Restaurant food is usually full of salt because it is the cheapest way of upping the flavor.

    At home, I have switched to Lite Salt which is 50% potassium chloride/50% sodium chloride (table salt). When used in cooking, it is indistinguishable in taste from regular salt and it automatically cuts your sodium in half for any given level of saltiness while adding potassium to your diet. It's a total no-brainer to switch.

    It takes only 6 months to raise a new flock of chickens so egg prices are about as durable as the weather forecast. Chances are 6 months from now they will be cheap again. Remember when used car prices shot up? Guess what, they came back down again. Eggs are a true commodity - the market is not controlled by a handful of major producers like cold cereal. Individual farmers have no pricing power - they are just carried along by the market.

    If you belong to Costco, lately I have noticed that their egg prices are significantly cheaper than everyone else. I assume that they must have an annual contract with a supplier or they buy futures or some such, so that they are locked in on the price that they are paying.

    Be glad that you are not in California where egg prices are like $2/dozen more than everywhere else.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Adam Smith

    , @J.Ross
    @AnotherDad

    It's the bird flu, and the fires, and the small plane crashes, and the bad Tractor Supply feed, and the season, and the general shortage of agricultural inputs, and the vibes ...

    , @Nicholas Stix
    @AnotherDad

    Eggs are going for $8/dzn (large, I believe) at the only supermarket around here,in Queens' Rockaways. It's the supermarket formerly known as Waldbaum's, aka Stop and Shop.

    My theory, as to the price of eggs has nothing to do with chicken farms. I believe that supermarkets and convenience stores have jacked up the price of eggs, because they don't think they can get away with jacking up all prices across the board, as much as they'd like to.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @jill, @Jack D

    , @Mr. Anon
    @AnotherDad

    Some small chicken farmers claim that their chickens are not sick, but just not laying eggs:

    https://www.foxnews.com/video/6319517278112

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  48. @AnotherDad
    @J.Ross

    AnotherMom is making my eggs right now. But she paid 4.50ish for 18 at Walmart. (A dozen was the same.)

    Sad, cause yeah eggs are great source of affordable protein. This is grabbing a few more bucks out of people's budgets each week, and making a bunch of folks skip their delightful egg.

    It's bird flu that's jacked the price up. They've killed off tens of millions of hens in infected facilities. (Just be glad they didn't do that with Covid--next time.)

    Replies: @JR Ewing, @Jack D, @J.Ross, @Nicholas Stix, @Mr. Anon

    It’s bird flu that’s jacked the price up. They’ve killed off tens of millions of hens in infected facilities.

    I have a couple of dozen chickens on my rural property. Get about 6-7 dozen eggs per week and sell them all quickly.

    The best part is that I have an excuse to shoot the grackles and starlings that are always showing up in massive numbers. They are wild birds and I’m just trying stop the spread of bird flu to my chickens.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @JR Ewing


    I have a couple of dozen chickens on my rural property. Get about 6-7 dozen eggs per week and sell them all quickly.
     
    How much acreage do you need to raise chickens for egg production?

    Replies: @JR Ewing

  49. @Dan Smith
    Contemporary progressives are making a mistake parallel to what progressives in the 60s made. Back then, the overwhelming assumption was that the plight of blacks was due to Jim Crow laws and overtly racist policies in society. So the solution was to first pass laws that guaranteed citizenship rights and secondly to provide economic support to enable bootstrapping, including extending mortgages to people who would never earn enough to pay them off. The assumption was that blacks would certainly take advantage of the opportunities and within a couple of generations get caught up. Well, that hasn't happened except that there now exists a black elite, educated at our finest universities, which finds itself way out of touch with the base population of blacks, frozen in despair by lower IQ, high crime rates that see blacks preying on other blacks. The new explanation for the failure of blacks to catch up is that "systemic" racism exists, much like the fictitious ether that 19th century physicists thought was the medium for propagating electromagnetic waves, a theory roundly crushed by experimental science. Thus the absurdity of white editorialists claiming that black on black violence is the fault of whites. The solution is more affirmative action, reparations, elimination of urban roads that allegedly carved up vibrant black neighborhoods, constant harping about long-dead black martyrs (Till) and FDRs redlining. It's not going to work. It will never work. I'll be happily dead by the time my kids figure that out.

    Replies: @Gordo

    The new explanation for the failure of blacks to catch up is that “systemic” racism exists, much like the fictitious ether that 19th century physicists thought was the medium for propagating electromagnetic waves, a theory roundly crushed by experimental science.

    Nice.

    • Replies: @New Dealer
    @Gordo

    Racism:
    Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group.

    Institutional racism:
    Institutions, especially governments, enforcing prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group.

    Structural racism:
    Any lingering effects of prior institutional racism.

    Systemic racism:
    Adverse outcomes for members of a particular racial or ethnic group that cannot honestly be explained by racism.

  50. @Mr. Anon
    @SafeNow



    I think I’m going to start using “nuance” as a verb.
     
    I’ll partner with you on that, Steve.
     
    I'll transition to that myself.

    ***************************************************
    BTW, the latest new-speak monstrosity that I've noticed (no, not the misuse of prepositions - don't get me started on prepositions) is the misuse of "downfall" for "drawback" or "reservation", i.e.: "this plan only has one downfall........" or "my only downfall with that is........".

    Replies: @Matthew Kelly, @Bill Jones

    But the English language had deteriorated into a hybrid of hillbilly, valleygirl, inner-city slang and various grunts. Joe was able to understand them, but when he spoke in an ordinary voice he sounded pompous and faggy to them.

  51. @Tono-Bungay
    Following the main news media's logic, one must ask what actions of black people anywhere could possibly be attributed to black people themselves. Do the black people who obey the law do so, too, because of systemic racism? Do black policemen in Haiti ever mistreat suspects, and if they do, is it because they too have incorporated "systemic racism" into their thinking and behavior? When Jessye Norman sang Richard Strauss's "Four Last Songs" and amazed and delighted her audiences, was it because of "systemic racism"?

    Replies: @martin_2

    Do the black people who obey the law do so, too, because of systemic racism?

    This is an excellent point. (Actually quite nuanced.)

  52. Well, here’s one: New York Times writes a huge, stupid piece about a video showing a mob of blacks attacking a white and *explicitly* says that such videos show whites attacking blacks:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/25/magazine/the-waffle-house-brawl-belongs-in-a-museum.html

  53. Well, here’s one: New York Times writes a huge, stupid piece about a video showing a mob of blacks attacking a white and *explicitly* says that such videos (very clever phrasing) show whites attacking blacks:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/25/magazine/the-waffle-house-brawl-belongs-in-a-museum.html

    • Thanks: J.Ross
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Nachum

    First line: "If there is a quintessential hub to suburban America, it is Waffle House." The first line. One line in. What drugs are NYT urinalists on?

    Replies: @Joe Joe, @kaganovitch, @kaganovitch, @Mr. Anon

  54. I think I’m going to start using “pisser” as a noun meaning a homicidal machine.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/uk-man-dies-freak-telescopic-urinal-accident

    A UK man was crushed to death by a hydraulic ‘telescopic’ Urinal designed to pop out of the ground for use.

    The man, who has not been named, was performing maintenance on the pop-up urinal at Cambridge Circus outside the Palace Theatre, when the hydraulic unit trapped him below street level.

    How much money was spent on this bullshit?
    Why?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Bill Jones


    How much money was spent on this bullshit?
    Why?
     
    These things are not cheap: $75k in 2006. I'm guess that doesn't include installation.

    https://www.engadget.com/2006-11-19-urilift-the-disappearing-public-urinal-and-we-do-mean-public.html

    As for why, it's in order to keep people from pissing on the street at night while leaving the space in a crowded area open during the day.

    There should have been some sort of lock out so that the unit would not descend during maintenance.

  55. @AnotherDad
    @J.Ross

    AnotherMom is making my eggs right now. But she paid 4.50ish for 18 at Walmart. (A dozen was the same.)

    Sad, cause yeah eggs are great source of affordable protein. This is grabbing a few more bucks out of people's budgets each week, and making a bunch of folks skip their delightful egg.

    It's bird flu that's jacked the price up. They've killed off tens of millions of hens in infected facilities. (Just be glad they didn't do that with Covid--next time.)

    Replies: @JR Ewing, @Jack D, @J.Ross, @Nicholas Stix, @Mr. Anon

    Even $3 or more a dozen, eggs are still cheap. Two eggs (a typical serving) still cost only 50 cents. What American (not on food stamps) cannot afford 50 cents?

    Do you know what’s expensive? Eating out. Those same two eggs at the cheapest diner are going to be at least $6 with tax and tip. The best way to save $ is to eat at home.

    Covid really broke the restaurant habit for me. I wasn’t big on them anyway but I’d still eat out maybe once/week on average. Now it’s more like 1x/month. Not only do I not enjoy spending at least 5x the $ for often mediocre food and indifferent service but this way I control the amount of salt, type of fat, etc. Restaurant food is usually full of salt because it is the cheapest way of upping the flavor.

    At home, I have switched to Lite Salt which is 50% potassium chloride/50% sodium chloride (table salt). When used in cooking, it is indistinguishable in taste from regular salt and it automatically cuts your sodium in half for any given level of saltiness while adding potassium to your diet. It’s a total no-brainer to switch.

    It takes only 6 months to raise a new flock of chickens so egg prices are about as durable as the weather forecast. Chances are 6 months from now they will be cheap again. Remember when used car prices shot up? Guess what, they came back down again. Eggs are a true commodity – the market is not controlled by a handful of major producers like cold cereal. Individual farmers have no pricing power – they are just carried along by the market.

    If you belong to Costco, lately I have noticed that their egg prices are significantly cheaper than everyone else. I assume that they must have an annual contract with a supplier or they buy futures or some such, so that they are locked in on the price that they are paying.

    Be glad that you are not in California where egg prices are like $2/dozen more than everywhere else.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Jack D

    Largely agree. Several of my favorite restaurants closed and did not return thanks to the lockdown, and going out at all is not the same. Egg prices are very different depending on where and how you buy, with people who live (or drive through) rural areas, and pick up backyard eggs, claiming not only no inflation recently, but no inflation going back years (the standalone hobbyist has much less leeway to shock a customer with a higher price than the statewide supermarket chain). However, the fear isn't that eggs will cost a dollar more. After all, a dollar isn't worth a dollar. The fear is that this is the start of a trend which will lead to "nudging."

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Adam Smith
    @Jack D

    Agree & Thanks! ☮

  56. @John Pepple
    When I was young, people on the right made idiots of themselves by seeing communist plots everywhere. Now it's people on the left making idiots of themselves by seeing racism everywhere.

    Replies: @fnn

    Also Russians, who are seen as part of the International Right-Wing Conspiracy.

  57. Seared in my memory is RINO David Gergen, well before he joined a Dem WH, calling a private policy talk by Bill Clinton “thoughtful and nuanced.” I’ve looked askance at him and “nuanced” ever since.

    I’m a third of the way through the Cotton and Race book someone recommended here. I had no idea white Yankees were so anti-black before, during, and after The War. Their ante-bellum laws against blacks were worse than Jim Crow. Many abolitionists hoped emancipation would induce the few Northern blacks to move to the South.

  58. @Colin Wright
    '...I think I’m going to start using “nuance” as a verb, as in “to repeat self-evidently preposterous Woke talking points.”...'

    The thing is, these 'self-evidently preposterous talking points' have an eroding effect if repeated often enough -- they cut a channel through our mind.

    Take 'diversity is our strength.' Well, that's not true: the Japanese have accomplished so much precisely because their culture isn't heterogeneous, and most famous military units have been drawn from not just the same nation and the same ethnicity, but even the same region. Even in the American army, consider the 442nd Regimental Combat Team; how impressive would those Japanese have been spread around to 'diversify' ten or twenty other regiments?

    And yet, simply by dint of repetition, we take it as good if we walk into a hospital and some large chunk of the staff is dot-Indian, and another is black, and yet another is white, and so on.

    Of course that isn't so -- but we've all been conditioned to see it as good.

    People believe what they're told -- even when what they're looking at directly contradicts it. I got exasperated with my wife when we were traveling and she picked up the idea from Facebook or whatever that Muslim women were fat. We happened to be in a bus station in Turkey at the time. I simply took pictures of the next seven women we saw. One was sort of pleasantly matronly -- the other six were impeccably thin. They certainly compared favorably to what you'd see if you walked into your local Walmart.

    It hadn't mattered. My wife had started to believe what she was told -- as opposed to what she could see. Repetition works.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Corvinus, @Cato

    This sounds like more of an overgeneralization by your wife rather than an outright brainwashing. “Muslim women” is a very broad category. There are about 2 billion Muslims in the world or a billion Muslim women. Racially these Muslims range from Sub-Saharan African to Caucasian to South and East Asian. Not only are there genetic differences but major cultural differences between different Muslim groups.

    Turkish women are basically Caucasian and their diet is mostly a healthy Mediterranean type diet so they aren’t going to be especially fat like sub-Saharan women or junk food fed American whites. Also the fact that you saw these women in a bus station meant that they were probably not bored stay at home moms, who tend to overeat.

    But, OTOH, if you are talking about the Arab women of the Gaza Strip, obesity is a real problem.

    https://www.albawaba.com/mena_voices/battle-bulge-obesity-gaza-strip-rise-672854

    Any welfare type population where people are getting free food tends to be fat. Take away the food stamps and those folks in Wal-Mart wouldn’t be as fat either. Everyone knows that the tastiest kind of food is free food.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D


    Turkish women are basically Caucasian...

     

    Even Rita Ora, a Turkish Kosovar? She's married to a Maori. How antipodal you get?


    As for the Memphis beating, didn't Allen Drury predict this in his novel, Come Tyre, Come
    Nuance?

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Colin Wright
    @Jack D

    '...But, OTOH, if you are talking about the Arab women of the Gaza Strip, obesity is a real problem....'

    Does that make you feel better about killing them?

    Replies: @Jack D

  59. @Bill Jones
    I think I'm going to start using "pisser" as a noun meaning a homicidal machine.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/uk-man-dies-freak-telescopic-urinal-accident

    A UK man was crushed to death by a hydraulic 'telescopic' Urinal designed to pop out of the ground for use.

    The man, who has not been named, was performing maintenance on the pop-up urinal at Cambridge Circus outside the Palace Theatre, when the hydraulic unit trapped him below street level.
     
    How much money was spent on this bullshit?
    Why?

    Replies: @Jack D

    How much money was spent on this bullshit?
    Why?

    These things are not cheap: $75k in 2006. I’m guess that doesn’t include installation.

    https://www.engadget.com/2006-11-19-urilift-the-disappearing-public-urinal-and-we-do-mean-public.html

    As for why, it’s in order to keep people from pissing on the street at night while leaving the space in a crowded area open during the day.

    There should have been some sort of lock out so that the unit would not descend during maintenance.

  60. @notsaying
    This is nuts, to focus on these two things alone.

    My question is: When are we ever going to explore the systemic denial by progressives that black people have anything to do with their own problems?

    Unlike most of you, I am not conservative or a Republican. I want American blacks from slavery days to do better and I think they can. I really do. I admit whites as a group and individually have done many wrongs against blacks and still do.

    But encouraging and participating in this ridiculous alternative reality view that racism is the one and only reason bad things happen to blacks and that whites are ultimately responsible for everything wrong is stupid, immoral and completely counterproductive.

    It is past time for us to start doing something effective to stop black criminals and the havoc they cause. It is past time for cops to admit they are scared of and fed up with dealing the mindless criminal violence they encounter and constant noncompliance with requests they get every day in some cities and neighborhoods. Based in what I read, this guy didn't stop for sirens until he hit a red light. Things started wrong and went downhill. He was unlucky to try the patience of fed up cops who had no patience left. Trying to run away in middle understandable but enraged them more. Even EMTs who initially responded but did nothing didn't do their jobs. They were also probably fed up.

    These workers are going to have to pay for this excess and indifference but if we refuse to see truth and start changing things, we will just keep on having these incidents and not learning from them.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @ic1000, @Gabe Ruth, @Reg Cæsar

    Have you ever entertained the idea that blacks actually don’t possess agency?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Reg Cæsar

    Their worst people don't (hence their weaponizability through anti-police blood libel), but that's true of the worst people of all races.

    Replies: @QCIC

  61. @AnotherDad
    @J.Ross

    AnotherMom is making my eggs right now. But she paid 4.50ish for 18 at Walmart. (A dozen was the same.)

    Sad, cause yeah eggs are great source of affordable protein. This is grabbing a few more bucks out of people's budgets each week, and making a bunch of folks skip their delightful egg.

    It's bird flu that's jacked the price up. They've killed off tens of millions of hens in infected facilities. (Just be glad they didn't do that with Covid--next time.)

    Replies: @JR Ewing, @Jack D, @J.Ross, @Nicholas Stix, @Mr. Anon

    It’s the bird flu, and the fires, and the small plane crashes, and the bad Tractor Supply feed, and the season, and the general shortage of agricultural inputs, and the vibes …

  62. @Reg Cæsar
    @notsaying

    Have you ever entertained the idea that blacks actually don't possess agency?

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Their worst people don’t (hence their weaponizability through anti-police blood libel), but that’s true of the worst people of all races.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @J.Ross

    Yes, two-thirds is a lot.

  63. @Nachum
    Well, here's one: New York Times writes a huge, stupid piece about a video showing a mob of blacks attacking a white and *explicitly* says that such videos (very clever phrasing) show whites attacking blacks:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/25/magazine/the-waffle-house-brawl-belongs-in-a-museum.html

    Replies: @J.Ross

    First line: “If there is a quintessential hub to suburban America, it is Waffle House.” The first line. One line in. What drugs are NYT urinalists on?

    • Replies: @Joe Joe
    @J.Ross

    I have never been to a Waffle House nor have I even seen one in my area

    Replies: @Veteran Aryan

    , @kaganovitch
    @J.Ross

    First line: “If there is a quintessential hub to suburban America, it is Waffle House.” The first line. One line in. What drugs are NYT urinalists on?

    It is eminently possible that Niela Orr, author of that article has never seen a Waffle House . There are none in NY or NJ. She is from Philly and the nearest waffle house is 50 miles away in Bethlehem.

    , @kaganovitch
    @J.Ross

    If there is a quintessential hub to suburban America

    After checking original, sentence should actually read "If there is a quintessential hub of subterranean America..." Perhaps Waffle House is the fabled entrance to Pellucidar?

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @Mr. Anon
    @J.Ross


    First line: “If there is a quintessential hub to suburban America, it is Waffle House.” The first line. One line in. What drugs are NYT urinalists on?
     
    The journalist propagandist who wrote that article clearly knows nothing about suburban America. Waffle Houses are certainly not a hub for "suburban America".

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Bill Jones

  64. @Jack D
    @Colin Wright

    This sounds like more of an overgeneralization by your wife rather than an outright brainwashing. "Muslim women" is a very broad category. There are about 2 billion Muslims in the world or a billion Muslim women. Racially these Muslims range from Sub-Saharan African to Caucasian to South and East Asian. Not only are there genetic differences but major cultural differences between different Muslim groups.

    Turkish women are basically Caucasian and their diet is mostly a healthy Mediterranean type diet so they aren't going to be especially fat like sub-Saharan women or junk food fed American whites. Also the fact that you saw these women in a bus station meant that they were probably not bored stay at home moms, who tend to overeat.

    But, OTOH, if you are talking about the Arab women of the Gaza Strip, obesity is a real problem.

    https://www.albawaba.com/mena_voices/battle-bulge-obesity-gaza-strip-rise-672854

    Any welfare type population where people are getting free food tends to be fat. Take away the food stamps and those folks in Wal-Mart wouldn't be as fat either. Everyone knows that the tastiest kind of food is free food.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Colin Wright

    Turkish women are basically Caucasian…

    Even Rita Ora, a Turkish Kosovar? She’s married to a Maori. How antipodal you get?

    As for the Memphis beating, didn’t Allen Drury predict this in his novel, Come Tyre, Come
    Nuance?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    It's hard to tell what celebs really look like because everything is bleached and plastic surgeried and photoshopped, etc. but if you look for their childhood photos you can usually get a pretty good idea:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/NINTCHDBPICT000003624257.jpg?w=1005

    She looks kind of generic Mediterranean white person to me.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Anon, @Anonymous, @JR Ewing, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @anon, @Alec Leamas (working from home)

  65. @PhysicistDave
    @notsaying

    notsaying wrote:


    This is nuts, to focus on these two things alone.

    My question is: When are we ever going to explore the systemic denial by progressives that black people have anything to do with their own problems?
     
    Well, the truth is that the Black cops in Memphis probably were prejudiced against other Blacks, but they were prejudiced because of objective facts about the incidence of crimes committed by Blacks.

    notsaying also wrote:

    Unlike most of you, I am not conservative or a Republican. I want American blacks from slavery days to do better and I think they can. I really do. I admit whites as a group and individually have done many wrongs against blacks and still do.
     
    I don't think most people here would disagree with that. The one amendment I would make is that most Whites currently alive have not been beastly to Blacks.

    And I do not think people should be held responsible for the sins of their ancestors -- whether it was what the ancestors of the Jews claimed to have done to the Canaanites or what my English ancestors did to my Irish ancestors or what our White ancestors did to the ancestors of contemporary Blacks.

    notsaying also wrote:

    It is past time for us to start doing something effective to stop black criminals and the havoc they cause. It is past time for cops to admit they are scared of and fed up with dealing the mindless criminal violence they encounter and constant noncompliance with requests they get every day in some cities and neighborhoods.
     
    Yes, but thaat would involve actually caring about poor Blacks. And most people who claim to care really do not.

    They are using Black folks as pawns -- at best they are virtue signalling; in many cases, they simply want power.

    And so far no one in public life has the guts to call them out for the human suffering and death they are causing.

    Replies: @notsaying, @Prester John, @mc23

    “They are using Black folks as pawns — at best they are virtue signalling; in many cases, they simply want power.”

    They always have. And I suspect that the majority of Americans know this but for want of a megaphone they are forced to endure having outright bullshit thrown in their faces and being called “Deplorables” by people who evidently cannot relate in any way to the rest of America in any way other than in terms of master-servant.

  66. @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D


    Turkish women are basically Caucasian...

     

    Even Rita Ora, a Turkish Kosovar? She's married to a Maori. How antipodal you get?


    As for the Memphis beating, didn't Allen Drury predict this in his novel, Come Tyre, Come
    Nuance?

    Replies: @Jack D

    It’s hard to tell what celebs really look like because everything is bleached and plastic surgeried and photoshopped, etc. but if you look for their childhood photos you can usually get a pretty good idea:

    She looks kind of generic Mediterranean white person to me.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Jack D

    She looks like a mullatto.

    Just goes to show how people can have different interpretations about another person’s race.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Anon
    @Jack D


    It’s hard to tell what celebs really look like because everything is bleached
     
    You meant to type tanned.
    , @Anonymous
    @Jack D


    She looks kind of generic Mediterranean white person to me.
     
    She looks black.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Jack D

    , @JR Ewing
    @Jack D

    Looks black to me:

    https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/[email protected]@._V1_.jpg

    Also, one thing that REALLY bugs me nowadays is the dark skinned people with blonde hair. I'm not saying that they can't have any hair color they choose, but it's totally unnatural and not as attractive as they think. It's very jarring. Unless the rest of your complexion might allow the possibility of naturally blonde hair (ie white women), then dyed blonde hair doesn't make you more attractive, it makes you look like a dark skinned person with fake blonde hair.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @Jack D

    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Jack D

    A lot of the time, what makes celebrities attractive is not that they are better-looking than ordinary normal people, it's just that they have learned how to carry themselves confidently, and they know how to make the camera like them.

    "The secret to rock n roll is that some people are willing to pay good money to stand in a crowded room and watch other people believe in themselves." --- Kim Gordon, Sonic Youth

    , @anon
    @Jack D


    It’s hard to tell what celebs really look like because everything is bleached and plastic surgeried and photoshopped, etc. but if you look for their childhood photos you can usually get a pretty good idea:
     
    That's a child?
    , @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Jack D

    Ora looks Creole in that picture - some significant but small admixture of Sub-Saharan linage in overwhelming majority or European ancestry. Evidently she has a full-blood sister Elena who looks a) nothing like her; and, b) entirely of European ancestry.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/composite-rita-ora.jpg?w=620

    Strange things happen with genes but my suspicion is that there may be some secrets in the Ora family.

  67. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    Even $3 or more a dozen, eggs are still cheap. Two eggs (a typical serving) still cost only 50 cents. What American (not on food stamps) cannot afford 50 cents?

    Do you know what's expensive? Eating out. Those same two eggs at the cheapest diner are going to be at least $6 with tax and tip. The best way to save $ is to eat at home.

    Covid really broke the restaurant habit for me. I wasn't big on them anyway but I'd still eat out maybe once/week on average. Now it's more like 1x/month. Not only do I not enjoy spending at least 5x the $ for often mediocre food and indifferent service but this way I control the amount of salt, type of fat, etc. Restaurant food is usually full of salt because it is the cheapest way of upping the flavor.

    At home, I have switched to Lite Salt which is 50% potassium chloride/50% sodium chloride (table salt). When used in cooking, it is indistinguishable in taste from regular salt and it automatically cuts your sodium in half for any given level of saltiness while adding potassium to your diet. It's a total no-brainer to switch.

    It takes only 6 months to raise a new flock of chickens so egg prices are about as durable as the weather forecast. Chances are 6 months from now they will be cheap again. Remember when used car prices shot up? Guess what, they came back down again. Eggs are a true commodity - the market is not controlled by a handful of major producers like cold cereal. Individual farmers have no pricing power - they are just carried along by the market.

    If you belong to Costco, lately I have noticed that their egg prices are significantly cheaper than everyone else. I assume that they must have an annual contract with a supplier or they buy futures or some such, so that they are locked in on the price that they are paying.

    Be glad that you are not in California where egg prices are like $2/dozen more than everywhere else.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Adam Smith

    Largely agree. Several of my favorite restaurants closed and did not return thanks to the lockdown, and going out at all is not the same. Egg prices are very different depending on where and how you buy, with people who live (or drive through) rural areas, and pick up backyard eggs, claiming not only no inflation recently, but no inflation going back years (the standalone hobbyist has much less leeway to shock a customer with a higher price than the statewide supermarket chain). However, the fear isn’t that eggs will cost a dollar more. After all, a dollar isn’t worth a dollar. The fear is that this is the start of a trend which will lead to “nudging.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @J.Ross


    and going out at all is not the same.
     
    What is different about it now?

    Replies: @J.Ross

  68. @J.Ross
    OT -- When Musk infrastructure encounters CHAZ society.
    https://twitter.com/ClownWorld_/status/1619887424775258112

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @neutral, @Jim Don Bob, @Richard B

    Since #1 is OT, here is another.

    Louis CK got busted for MeToo and confessed. He has since rebuilt his career by playing small clubs and producing videos and shows at his own expense.

    He performed at Madison Square Garden recently and the buzz is that he was great. You can see that show for free through 2/17 at https://louisck.com/.

  69. @Colin Wright
    '...I think I’m going to start using “nuance” as a verb, as in “to repeat self-evidently preposterous Woke talking points.”...'

    The thing is, these 'self-evidently preposterous talking points' have an eroding effect if repeated often enough -- they cut a channel through our mind.

    Take 'diversity is our strength.' Well, that's not true: the Japanese have accomplished so much precisely because their culture isn't heterogeneous, and most famous military units have been drawn from not just the same nation and the same ethnicity, but even the same region. Even in the American army, consider the 442nd Regimental Combat Team; how impressive would those Japanese have been spread around to 'diversify' ten or twenty other regiments?

    And yet, simply by dint of repetition, we take it as good if we walk into a hospital and some large chunk of the staff is dot-Indian, and another is black, and yet another is white, and so on.

    Of course that isn't so -- but we've all been conditioned to see it as good.

    People believe what they're told -- even when what they're looking at directly contradicts it. I got exasperated with my wife when we were traveling and she picked up the idea from Facebook or whatever that Muslim women were fat. We happened to be in a bus station in Turkey at the time. I simply took pictures of the next seven women we saw. One was sort of pleasantly matronly -- the other six were impeccably thin. They certainly compared favorably to what you'd see if you walked into your local Walmart.

    It hadn't mattered. My wife had started to believe what she was told -- as opposed to what she could see. Repetition works.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Corvinus, @Cato

    “Well, that’s not true: the Japanese have accomplished so much precisely because their culture isn’t”

    No, they’ve accomplished a great many things due to their innovative people. It make no difference if
    they are a heterogenous or homogenous society.

    “People believe what they’re told — even when what they’re looking at directly contradicts it”

    That’s called confirmation bias. We are all prone to it.

    • Disagree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Patrick in SC
    @Corvinus


    “Well, that’s not true: the Japanese have accomplished so much precisely because their culture isn’t”

    No, they’ve accomplished a great many things due to their innovative people. It make no difference if
    they are a heterogenous or homogenous society.
     
    Um, a heterogeneous Japan would, by definition, be less Japanese and therefore would have less of those "innovative people."

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @Recently Based
    @Corvinus


    “People believe what they’re told — even when what they’re looking at directly contradicts it”

    That’s called confirmation bias. We are all prone to it.
     

    That's not called confirmation bias.

    What OP Colin Wright is describing is called 'illusory truth effect' :

    https://cognitiveresearchjournal.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s41235-021-00301-5

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @JR Ewing
    @Corvinus

    OK fine, they are innovative. They are also homogenous. The end.

  70. @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    It's hard to tell what celebs really look like because everything is bleached and plastic surgeried and photoshopped, etc. but if you look for their childhood photos you can usually get a pretty good idea:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/NINTCHDBPICT000003624257.jpg?w=1005

    She looks kind of generic Mediterranean white person to me.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Anon, @Anonymous, @JR Ewing, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @anon, @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    She looks like a mullatto.

    Just goes to show how people can have different interpretations about another person’s race.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Corvinus

    And yet, everyone is unanimous in their opinion that you are an idiot.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  71. @Corvinus
    @Jack D

    She looks like a mullatto.

    Just goes to show how people can have different interpretations about another person’s race.

    Replies: @Jack D

    And yet, everyone is unanimous in their opinion that you are an idiot.

    • LOL: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Jack D

    I’m not the one who is part of a group (Jews) that is seeking to destroy Western Civilization. Or so I’m told by the unz commentariat. And you’re not helping the situation by playing the victim card.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  72. @Jack D
    @Corvinus

    And yet, everyone is unanimous in their opinion that you are an idiot.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    I’m not the one who is part of a group (Jews) that is seeking to destroy Western Civilization. Or so I’m told by the unz commentariat. And you’re not helping the situation by playing the victim card.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Corvinus


    I’m not the one who is part of a group (Jews) that is seeking to destroy Western Civilization. Or so I’m told by the unz commentariat. And you’re not helping the situation by playing the victim card.
     
    Be that as it may; Jack's right that you are an idiot.

    To be precise, I've never heard you express an original thought. You just seem to string together platitudes you apparently picked up from MSNBC or some such place. Then, when you get criticized, you respond with irrelevancies.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  73. @J.Ross
    @Nachum

    First line: "If there is a quintessential hub to suburban America, it is Waffle House." The first line. One line in. What drugs are NYT urinalists on?

    Replies: @Joe Joe, @kaganovitch, @kaganovitch, @Mr. Anon

    I have never been to a Waffle House nor have I even seen one in my area

    • Replies: @Veteran Aryan
    @Joe Joe

    Check MLK Boulevard. They're legally required to have at least one.

  74. @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    It's hard to tell what celebs really look like because everything is bleached and plastic surgeried and photoshopped, etc. but if you look for their childhood photos you can usually get a pretty good idea:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/NINTCHDBPICT000003624257.jpg?w=1005

    She looks kind of generic Mediterranean white person to me.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Anon, @Anonymous, @JR Ewing, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @anon, @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    It’s hard to tell what celebs really look like because everything is bleached

    You meant to type tanned.

  75. First line: “If there is a quintessential hub to suburban America, it is Waffle House.” The first line. One line in. What drugs are NYT urinalists on?

    I have never been to a Waffle House nor have I even seen one in my area

    Mason-Dixon Line Renamed IHOP-Waffle House Line

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    This map is a little deceptive. They list PA as a "mixed" state but there's no Waffle House within 50 miles of my house. Waffle House goes a little north of the Mason-Dixon but they avoid the big cities. I think they are looking for "red" areas in the few blue states that they are in. They are not so much as suburban as exurban, at least in PA. They are not in all "red states" but they are in very few blue ones.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Reg Cæsar, @ScarletNumber

    , @Joe Joe
    @Reg Cæsar

    I live in northern Virginia where we have plenty of IHOPs mostly staffed and patronized by all of our central Americans

    , @Chris Mallory
    @Reg Cæsar

    We have both in my town. The IHOP is usually filled with Yankees stopping in off the interstate. IHOP is more expensive, not as friendly, and takes longer. Waffle House is visited by locals, every one from the doctors from the nearby hospital to guys who got off the midnight shift down at the chicken plant.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  76. @Corvinus
    @Colin Wright

    “Well, that’s not true: the Japanese have accomplished so much precisely because their culture isn’t”

    No, they’ve accomplished a great many things due to their innovative people. It make no difference if
    they are a heterogenous or homogenous society.

    “People believe what they’re told — even when what they’re looking at directly contradicts it”

    That’s called confirmation bias. We are all prone to it.

    Replies: @Patrick in SC, @Recently Based, @JR Ewing

    “Well, that’s not true: the Japanese have accomplished so much precisely because their culture isn’t”

    No, they’ve accomplished a great many things due to their innovative people. It make no difference if
    they are a heterogenous or homogenous society.

    Um, a heterogeneous Japan would, by definition, be less Japanese and therefore would have less of those “innovative people.”

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Patrick in SC

    “therefore would have less of those “innovative people.”

    How do you know that?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  77. White cop suspended in Tyre Nichols case:

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/memphis-police-officer-preston-hemphill-disciplined-over-tyre-nichols-death

    The guy’s a fat loser who is so out of shape he couldn’t chase Nichols to the second location where he was fatally beaten by the blacks, so he’s not responsible.

    But they’re trying desperately to blame whites somehow, anyhow. The Narrative must not be contradicted.

  78. @neutral
    @J.Ross

    I need to mention that copper theft plays a big role in South Africa's endless problems with its electrical grid. South Africa can be used to indicate what future the USA will face, which is why the US media likes to ignore what happens in South Africa.

    Replies: @Jack D, @mc23

    The idiocracy that’s South Africa is renting Power Ships from a Turkish company, floating power plants, for a period up to 20 years. The company provides the skiledl staff to run the ships.

    Now if they can only stop the locals from looting the distribution grid

  79. @PhysicistDave
    @notsaying

    notsaying wrote:


    This is nuts, to focus on these two things alone.

    My question is: When are we ever going to explore the systemic denial by progressives that black people have anything to do with their own problems?
     
    Well, the truth is that the Black cops in Memphis probably were prejudiced against other Blacks, but they were prejudiced because of objective facts about the incidence of crimes committed by Blacks.

    notsaying also wrote:

    Unlike most of you, I am not conservative or a Republican. I want American blacks from slavery days to do better and I think they can. I really do. I admit whites as a group and individually have done many wrongs against blacks and still do.
     
    I don't think most people here would disagree with that. The one amendment I would make is that most Whites currently alive have not been beastly to Blacks.

    And I do not think people should be held responsible for the sins of their ancestors -- whether it was what the ancestors of the Jews claimed to have done to the Canaanites or what my English ancestors did to my Irish ancestors or what our White ancestors did to the ancestors of contemporary Blacks.

    notsaying also wrote:

    It is past time for us to start doing something effective to stop black criminals and the havoc they cause. It is past time for cops to admit they are scared of and fed up with dealing the mindless criminal violence they encounter and constant noncompliance with requests they get every day in some cities and neighborhoods.
     
    Yes, but thaat would involve actually caring about poor Blacks. And most people who claim to care really do not.

    They are using Black folks as pawns -- at best they are virtue signalling; in many cases, they simply want power.

    And so far no one in public life has the guts to call them out for the human suffering and death they are causing.

    Replies: @notsaying, @Prester John, @mc23

    The biggest cause of death of black men under 40 is other black men

  80. (SNARC) Van Jones: That teacher “might still” be guilty of racism even though she was black and the student was black:

    “B***H, YOU’RE NOT GONNA TALK TO ME LIKE THAT: Deranged Ninth-Grade Female Student In Georgia Viciously Assaults Her Teacher (VIDEO)”

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/01/bh-not-gonna-talk-like-deranged-ninth-grade-female-student-georgia-viciously-assaults-teacher-video/

  81. @Joe Joe
    @J.Ross

    I have never been to a Waffle House nor have I even seen one in my area

    Replies: @Veteran Aryan

    Check MLK Boulevard. They’re legally required to have at least one.

  82. @Patrick in SC
    @Corvinus


    “Well, that’s not true: the Japanese have accomplished so much precisely because their culture isn’t”

    No, they’ve accomplished a great many things due to their innovative people. It make no difference if
    they are a heterogenous or homogenous society.
     
    Um, a heterogeneous Japan would, by definition, be less Japanese and therefore would have less of those "innovative people."

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “therefore would have less of those “innovative people.”

    How do you know that?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Corvinus


    @Patrick in SC

    “therefore would have less of those “innovative people.”

    How do you know that?
     
    Because he isn't a blithering idiot, as you are.
  83. @Corvinus
    @Colin Wright

    “Well, that’s not true: the Japanese have accomplished so much precisely because their culture isn’t”

    No, they’ve accomplished a great many things due to their innovative people. It make no difference if
    they are a heterogenous or homogenous society.

    “People believe what they’re told — even when what they’re looking at directly contradicts it”

    That’s called confirmation bias. We are all prone to it.

    Replies: @Patrick in SC, @Recently Based, @JR Ewing

    “People believe what they’re told — even when what they’re looking at directly contradicts it”

    That’s called confirmation bias. We are all prone to it.

    That’s not called confirmation bias.

    What OP Colin Wright is describing is called ‘illusory truth effect’ :

    https://cognitiveresearchjournal.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s41235-021-00301-5

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Recently Based

    You make a good point.

    Confirmation bias is our tendency to cherry-pick information that confirms our existing beliefs or ideas. Confirmation bias explains why two people with opposing views on a topic can see the same evidence and come away feeling validated by it.

  84. @Reg Cæsar


    First line: “If there is a quintessential hub to suburban America, it is Waffle House.” The first line. One line in. What drugs are NYT urinalists on?
     
    I have never been to a Waffle House nor have I even seen one in my area
     
    Mason-Dixon Line Renamed IHOP-Waffle House Line


    https://nathanrooy.github.io/posts/2016-03-23/ihop-vs-waffle-house/02.png

    Replies: @Jack D, @Joe Joe, @Chris Mallory

    This map is a little deceptive. They list PA as a “mixed” state but there’s no Waffle House within 50 miles of my house. Waffle House goes a little north of the Mason-Dixon but they avoid the big cities. I think they are looking for “red” areas in the few blue states that they are in. They are not so much as suburban as exurban, at least in PA. They are not in all “red states” but they are in very few blue ones.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Jack D

    Farthest North one I ever saw was in Indianapolis which is substantially closer to Louisville and Cincinnati than it is to Chicago.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D

    Carville's rule may apply here-- Penna. is Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, with Alabama in the middle. The county map reveals more-- Waffle Houses are in Amish country, and along Lake Erie.


    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeqDE-gWsAAE3iI.jpg:large



    Does Erie have a Southern vibe? When we stopped there to eat a decade ago, it was at Chick-fil-A.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @ScarletNumber
    @Jack D

    While I didn't step foot inside, I can tell you first hand that if one goes to the Sands Casino, located in the shell of the former Bethlehem Steelworks, the first thing one encounters when getting off of the interstate is a Waffle House.

  85. @Dmon
    @notsaying

    That's their problem! They're almost completely either black or White - not enough illegal immigrants. Everybody knows that modern, prosperous information economies depend almost entirely on illegal immigrants, who each come from their country of origin carrying 1.8 jobs with them. Why aren't DeSantis and Abbot shipping illegals to Memphis? The obvious answer is that they're racists who don't really care about their fellow Americans, but are only pulling a political stunt to destroy the rich diversity and racial harmony of places like Martha's Vineyard.

    Man - all this nuancing is mentally exhausting.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    Copper theft is a job that apparently both White and Black Americans will do.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Hibernian


    Copper theft is a job that apparently both White and Black Americans will do.
     
    Was it an Armenian grandmother who shut down Georgia's Internet for a day that way, or was it a Georgian grandmother and Armenia's?

    Quick search reveals it was the latter-- but she has an Armenian surname:


    Georgian woman cuts off web access to whole of Armenia


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg_uXCYeZ30

  86. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    Even $3 or more a dozen, eggs are still cheap. Two eggs (a typical serving) still cost only 50 cents. What American (not on food stamps) cannot afford 50 cents?

    Do you know what's expensive? Eating out. Those same two eggs at the cheapest diner are going to be at least $6 with tax and tip. The best way to save $ is to eat at home.

    Covid really broke the restaurant habit for me. I wasn't big on them anyway but I'd still eat out maybe once/week on average. Now it's more like 1x/month. Not only do I not enjoy spending at least 5x the $ for often mediocre food and indifferent service but this way I control the amount of salt, type of fat, etc. Restaurant food is usually full of salt because it is the cheapest way of upping the flavor.

    At home, I have switched to Lite Salt which is 50% potassium chloride/50% sodium chloride (table salt). When used in cooking, it is indistinguishable in taste from regular salt and it automatically cuts your sodium in half for any given level of saltiness while adding potassium to your diet. It's a total no-brainer to switch.

    It takes only 6 months to raise a new flock of chickens so egg prices are about as durable as the weather forecast. Chances are 6 months from now they will be cheap again. Remember when used car prices shot up? Guess what, they came back down again. Eggs are a true commodity - the market is not controlled by a handful of major producers like cold cereal. Individual farmers have no pricing power - they are just carried along by the market.

    If you belong to Costco, lately I have noticed that their egg prices are significantly cheaper than everyone else. I assume that they must have an annual contract with a supplier or they buy futures or some such, so that they are locked in on the price that they are paying.

    Be glad that you are not in California where egg prices are like $2/dozen more than everywhere else.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Adam Smith

    Agree & Thanks! ☮

  87. @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    This map is a little deceptive. They list PA as a "mixed" state but there's no Waffle House within 50 miles of my house. Waffle House goes a little north of the Mason-Dixon but they avoid the big cities. I think they are looking for "red" areas in the few blue states that they are in. They are not so much as suburban as exurban, at least in PA. They are not in all "red states" but they are in very few blue ones.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Reg Cæsar, @ScarletNumber

    Farthest North one I ever saw was in Indianapolis which is substantially closer to Louisville and Cincinnati than it is to Chicago.

  88. @J.Ross
    @Nachum

    First line: "If there is a quintessential hub to suburban America, it is Waffle House." The first line. One line in. What drugs are NYT urinalists on?

    Replies: @Joe Joe, @kaganovitch, @kaganovitch, @Mr. Anon

    First line: “If there is a quintessential hub to suburban America, it is Waffle House.” The first line. One line in. What drugs are NYT urinalists on?

    It is eminently possible that Niela Orr, author of that article has never seen a Waffle House . There are none in NY or NJ. She is from Philly and the nearest waffle house is 50 miles away in Bethlehem.

    • LOL: J.Ross
  89. @J.Ross
    @Nachum

    First line: "If there is a quintessential hub to suburban America, it is Waffle House." The first line. One line in. What drugs are NYT urinalists on?

    Replies: @Joe Joe, @kaganovitch, @kaganovitch, @Mr. Anon

    If there is a quintessential hub to suburban America

    After checking original, sentence should actually read “If there is a quintessential hub of subterranean America…” Perhaps Waffle House is the fabled entrance to Pellucidar?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @kaganovitch

    My bad but that's equally wrong.

  90. @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    This map is a little deceptive. They list PA as a "mixed" state but there's no Waffle House within 50 miles of my house. Waffle House goes a little north of the Mason-Dixon but they avoid the big cities. I think they are looking for "red" areas in the few blue states that they are in. They are not so much as suburban as exurban, at least in PA. They are not in all "red states" but they are in very few blue ones.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Reg Cæsar, @ScarletNumber

    Carville’s rule may apply here– Penna. is Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, with Alabama in the middle. The county map reveals more– Waffle Houses are in Amish country, and along Lake Erie.

    Does Erie have a Southern vibe? When we stopped there to eat a decade ago, it was at Chick-fil-A.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    No, not at all. It has a run down industrial city vibe, like a smaller version of Cleveland or Buffalo. About the least southern looking city I could think of. I don't think there are any Waffle Houses anywhere near there according to the Waffle House web site. There are only 6 in all of PA which is as many as there are in Myrtle Beach alone. Maybe there were more before Covid.

  91. @Hibernian
    @Dmon

    Copper theft is a job that apparently both White and Black Americans will do.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Copper theft is a job that apparently both White and Black Americans will do.

    Was it an Armenian grandmother who shut down Georgia’s Internet for a day that way, or was it a Georgian grandmother and Armenia’s?

    Quick search reveals it was the latter– but she has an Armenian surname:

    Georgian woman cuts off web access to whole of Armenia

  92. When did nuance and deep thinking become a characteristic of black activists such as Al Sharpton and Black Lives Matter?
    lll

  93. @kaganovitch
    @J.Ross

    If there is a quintessential hub to suburban America

    After checking original, sentence should actually read "If there is a quintessential hub of subterranean America..." Perhaps Waffle House is the fabled entrance to Pellucidar?

    Replies: @J.Ross

    My bad but that’s equally wrong.

  94. @notsaying
    @PhysicistDave

    The amount of baloney from so-called thought leaders and political leadership at all levels is increasing as I see a downhill spiral affecting all groups except elites.

    On top of my usual worries and the usual idiocy, Mickey Kaus on Twitter pointed the immigration policy statement of progressive but no dummy Congressman Ro Khanna of California. He is calling for asylum seekers to be able to sponsor grandchildren! If he is calling for granting right for third generation to come to US, others will be too, if they aren't already.

    I can't stand all this.

    The country can't absorb all these people, deal with all these demands or pay for the people already here, much less tens of millions of new ones

    https://www.rokhanna.com/issues/fighting-immigration-reform

    Replies: @Renard, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    The country can’t absorb all these people, deal with all these demands or pay for the people already here, much less tens of millions of new ones

    True.

    So tell us again why you are neither an (R) nor a conservative? And yes, I accept that Republicans and conservatives include defective members, ideas, and practices. What is your superior alternative?

    • Replies: @notsaying
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    I have been a disgruntled Democrat.

    I voted for Trump twice due to immigrant. I will never vote for that lawbreaker (January 6, elections, documents) again.

    For such a huge rich country, our political choices are few.

  95. @Jack D
    @Colin Wright

    This sounds like more of an overgeneralization by your wife rather than an outright brainwashing. "Muslim women" is a very broad category. There are about 2 billion Muslims in the world or a billion Muslim women. Racially these Muslims range from Sub-Saharan African to Caucasian to South and East Asian. Not only are there genetic differences but major cultural differences between different Muslim groups.

    Turkish women are basically Caucasian and their diet is mostly a healthy Mediterranean type diet so they aren't going to be especially fat like sub-Saharan women or junk food fed American whites. Also the fact that you saw these women in a bus station meant that they were probably not bored stay at home moms, who tend to overeat.

    But, OTOH, if you are talking about the Arab women of the Gaza Strip, obesity is a real problem.

    https://www.albawaba.com/mena_voices/battle-bulge-obesity-gaza-strip-rise-672854

    Any welfare type population where people are getting free food tends to be fat. Take away the food stamps and those folks in Wal-Mart wouldn't be as fat either. Everyone knows that the tastiest kind of food is free food.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Colin Wright

    ‘…But, OTOH, if you are talking about the Arab women of the Gaza Strip, obesity is a real problem….’

    Does that make you feel better about killing them?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Colin Wright

    I haven't killed anyone.

    The Israelis don't feel good about killing civilians. They try to avoid civilian casualties. When they demolish a terrorist site they first "knock" on the roof with a dummy round in order to get everyone to leave. No other military does this. The Russians in Ukraine sure as hell don't.

    Palestinians OTOH positively rejoice when Israeli civilians are murdered. After the latest synagogue attack, they were dancing in the street in Gaza. Handing out candy, honking their horns like they had just won the Superbowl because some Israeli civilians had been murdered. Their deaths were not collateral damage. Killing civilians was their goal. That's sick.

    https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-729930

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright, @Joe Stalin

  96. @Corvinus
    @Jack D

    I’m not the one who is part of a group (Jews) that is seeking to destroy Western Civilization. Or so I’m told by the unz commentariat. And you’re not helping the situation by playing the victim card.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    I’m not the one who is part of a group (Jews) that is seeking to destroy Western Civilization. Or so I’m told by the unz commentariat. And you’re not helping the situation by playing the victim card.

    Be that as it may; Jack’s right that you are an idiot.

    To be precise, I’ve never heard you express an original thought. You just seem to string together platitudes you apparently picked up from MSNBC or some such place. Then, when you get criticized, you respond with irrelevancies.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Colin Wright

    Do I really expect you or Jack or others to admit that I make cogent points that counter their narrative?

    No. It’s just easier for everyone to make that charge.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Colin Wright

  97. @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D

    Carville's rule may apply here-- Penna. is Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, with Alabama in the middle. The county map reveals more-- Waffle Houses are in Amish country, and along Lake Erie.


    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeqDE-gWsAAE3iI.jpg:large



    Does Erie have a Southern vibe? When we stopped there to eat a decade ago, it was at Chick-fil-A.

    Replies: @Jack D

    No, not at all. It has a run down industrial city vibe, like a smaller version of Cleveland or Buffalo. About the least southern looking city I could think of. I don’t think there are any Waffle Houses anywhere near there according to the Waffle House web site. There are only 6 in all of PA which is as many as there are in Myrtle Beach alone. Maybe there were more before Covid.

  98. @J.Ross
    @Nachum

    First line: "If there is a quintessential hub to suburban America, it is Waffle House." The first line. One line in. What drugs are NYT urinalists on?

    Replies: @Joe Joe, @kaganovitch, @kaganovitch, @Mr. Anon

    First line: “If there is a quintessential hub to suburban America, it is Waffle House.” The first line. One line in. What drugs are NYT urinalists on?

    The journalist propagandist who wrote that article clearly knows nothing about suburban America. Waffle Houses are certainly not a hub for “suburban America”.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Mr. Anon

    Waffle Houses were built for people on the road. They've been by Interstate exits, with one place in Georgia I remember having 2 of them at one exit! It's only in the last 10 years that I've seen Waffle Houses away from the Interstate.

    Yes, the guy's full of it. What would you expect from the reporter journalist propagandist, a whole comprehensive internet search, a la Art Deco?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Jack D

    , @Bill Jones
    @Mr. Anon


    The journalist propagandist who wrote that article clearly knows nothing about suburban America. Waffle Houses are certainly not a hub for “suburban America”.
     
    I think it's an aspiring Fly Over who's still in the larval Drive Through stage of development
  99. @Corvinus
    @Patrick in SC

    “therefore would have less of those “innovative people.”

    How do you know that?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    “therefore would have less of those “innovative people.”

    How do you know that?

    Because he isn’t a blithering idiot, as you are.

  100. @J.Ross
    @Reg Cæsar

    Their worst people don't (hence their weaponizability through anti-police blood libel), but that's true of the worst people of all races.

    Replies: @QCIC

    Yes, two-thirds is a lot.

  101. @JR Ewing
    @AnotherDad


    It’s bird flu that’s jacked the price up. They’ve killed off tens of millions of hens in infected facilities.
     
    I have a couple of dozen chickens on my rural property. Get about 6-7 dozen eggs per week and sell them all quickly.

    The best part is that I have an excuse to shoot the grackles and starlings that are always showing up in massive numbers. They are wild birds and I'm just trying stop the spread of bird flu to my chickens.

    Replies: @Anon

    I have a couple of dozen chickens on my rural property. Get about 6-7 dozen eggs per week and sell them all quickly.

    How much acreage do you need to raise chickens for egg production?

    • Replies: @JR Ewing
    @Anon


    How much acreage do you need to raise chickens for egg production?

     

    Depends on how much you are willing to feed them and how bad the winter is in your area.

    Mine personally - about 24 birds - are allowed to free range over about 2 acres of space. I feed them about a quarter pound each of chicken food per week in the winter and about half that in the summer when there are more bugs and green vegetation.

    We live in Houston, so even in the winter they can find food. Further north they will need to be fed more in the winter. We also have cows and the chickens love to eat nuts and seeds out of the cow manure.

    You don't need a lot of space if you are willing to keep them in a coop in your backyard, but you'll have to tend to them more and make sure they have enough food and water since they can't find it themselves.

    I personally think they are happier and healthier being allowed to free range, but that's not feasible for some people.
  102. @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    It's hard to tell what celebs really look like because everything is bleached and plastic surgeried and photoshopped, etc. but if you look for their childhood photos you can usually get a pretty good idea:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/NINTCHDBPICT000003624257.jpg?w=1005

    She looks kind of generic Mediterranean white person to me.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Anon, @Anonymous, @JR Ewing, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @anon, @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    She looks kind of generic Mediterranean white person to me.

    She looks black.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Anonymous

    My first impression too; her current skin and hair are drastically different.

    , @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    Her hair is nothing like the natural hair of an African. We are used to seeing sub-Saharan African women with hair that looks sort of like that but it's completely artificial and requires a lot of work to attain that texture and color (this is why black women are so obsessed with their hair - if they just did a quick shampoo and let it air dry, it would look like a fright wig). She looks like a black person who is attempting to look like a white person.

  103. @J.Ross
    @Jack D

    Largely agree. Several of my favorite restaurants closed and did not return thanks to the lockdown, and going out at all is not the same. Egg prices are very different depending on where and how you buy, with people who live (or drive through) rural areas, and pick up backyard eggs, claiming not only no inflation recently, but no inflation going back years (the standalone hobbyist has much less leeway to shock a customer with a higher price than the statewide supermarket chain). However, the fear isn't that eggs will cost a dollar more. After all, a dollar isn't worth a dollar. The fear is that this is the start of a trend which will lead to "nudging."

    Replies: @Anonymous

    and going out at all is not the same.

    What is different about it now?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Anonymous

    How do you mean?

  104. @Reg Cæsar


    First line: “If there is a quintessential hub to suburban America, it is Waffle House.” The first line. One line in. What drugs are NYT urinalists on?
     
    I have never been to a Waffle House nor have I even seen one in my area
     
    Mason-Dixon Line Renamed IHOP-Waffle House Line


    https://nathanrooy.github.io/posts/2016-03-23/ihop-vs-waffle-house/02.png

    Replies: @Jack D, @Joe Joe, @Chris Mallory

    I live in northern Virginia where we have plenty of IHOPs mostly staffed and patronized by all of our central Americans

  105. Anon[530] • Disclaimer says:

    Well when you think about it, black thuggery can occasionally manifest itself in the actions of white street criminals and looters. And black antisocial corruption can manifest itself in the actions of white officials who take bribes and embezzle money. Black irresponsibility can manifest itself in the rising rate of unwed pregnancy among white girls.

    There might be something to this theory of trans racial voodoo transmission of bad conduct.

  106. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @notsaying


    The country can’t absorb all these people, deal with all these demands or pay for the people already here, much less tens of millions of new ones
     
    True.

    So tell us again why you are neither an (R) nor a conservative? And yes, I accept that Republicans and conservatives include defective members, ideas, and practices. What is your superior alternative?

    Replies: @notsaying

    I have been a disgruntled Democrat.

    I voted for Trump twice due to immigrant. I will never vote for that lawbreaker (January 6, elections, documents) again.

    For such a huge rich country, our political choices are few.

    • Agree: Ian Smith
    • LOL: Cloudbuster
  107. How to nuance this?

    Innocent bystander shot to death:

    1. Shooter: Kenneth Rodriguez-Santana, 23, of Robert Dyer Circle, Springfield (looks like public housing), employee of Yankee Candle at the Holyoke Mall.

    2. Victim: Trung Tran, 33, of West Springfield, AKA Michael, employee of A Touch of Beauty Hair and Nail Salon at the Holyoke Mall.

    Whilst Tran was performing a pedicure on Rodriguez-Santana, Rodriguez-Santana attempted to shoot an as yet unidentified man but killed Tran instead.

    https://www.masslive.com/news/2023/01/holyoke-mall-homicide-suspect-told-police-he-shot-at-other-man-because-it-was-him-or-me-bystander-killed.html

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Coemgen

    Hold up. What guy gets a pedicure? I've never even heard of gays being into that.

  108. @Mr. Anon
    @SafeNow



    I think I’m going to start using “nuance” as a verb.
     
    I’ll partner with you on that, Steve.
     
    I'll transition to that myself.

    ***************************************************
    BTW, the latest new-speak monstrosity that I've noticed (no, not the misuse of prepositions - don't get me started on prepositions) is the misuse of "downfall" for "drawback" or "reservation", i.e.: "this plan only has one downfall........" or "my only downfall with that is........".

    Replies: @Matthew Kelly, @Bill Jones

    I’ll transition to that myself.

    I’m waiting a fuller interrogation of the subject.

    Oh, Wait!
    Isn’t that what what the Polis do if they fail to kill you?

  109. @AnotherDad
    @J.Ross

    AnotherMom is making my eggs right now. But she paid 4.50ish for 18 at Walmart. (A dozen was the same.)

    Sad, cause yeah eggs are great source of affordable protein. This is grabbing a few more bucks out of people's budgets each week, and making a bunch of folks skip their delightful egg.

    It's bird flu that's jacked the price up. They've killed off tens of millions of hens in infected facilities. (Just be glad they didn't do that with Covid--next time.)

    Replies: @JR Ewing, @Jack D, @J.Ross, @Nicholas Stix, @Mr. Anon

    Eggs are going for $8/dzn (large, I believe) at the only supermarket around here,in Queens’ Rockaways. It’s the supermarket formerly known as Waldbaum’s, aka Stop and Shop.

    My theory, as to the price of eggs has nothing to do with chicken farms. I believe that supermarkets and convenience stores have jacked up the price of eggs, because they don’t think they can get away with jacking up all prices across the board, as much as they’d like to.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Nicholas Stix

    There was a British farmer claiming in a video that he experienced this -- English market chain refused to pay his minimum price (established, not newly raised), he couldn't sell, the chain threw its hands up and cried, oh, these farmers are refusing to sell. There's a relatively benign theory that the supermarkets (which were the only place anyone could go for the longest and worst parts of the lockdown) got used to lockdown prices and struggle to adjust to horrible, horrible freedom. But then why eggs?

    , @jill
    @Nicholas Stix

    There is a lot going on behind the scenes....all to do with the "green" movement.


    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/01/30/somethings-buggin-tucker-carlson-food-production-is-a-national-security-issue/

    , @Jack D
    @Nicholas Stix

    Yes and no. The wholesale price of eggs (except in Cal.) is right now around $3/dozen. A normal retail markup for eggs (in the past a loss leader type item - along with milk at the far corner of the store - on your way to buy the loss leader you pass the potato chip aisle and grab a bag of chips) used to be 0 to 30%. 0% would be for the generic eggs and 30% would be for the "fancy" ones - organic, free range, blah, blah, blah. Lately, it has been more like 100% markup ($3 wholesale = $6 retail) because that is the market clearing price - the price at which you can sell all the eggs you can get. If you charge less than the market clearing price you are leaving money on the table. A supermarket is a business, not a charity.

    https://www.ams.usda.gov/mnreports/pybshellegg.pdf

    However, eggs are in truly short supply. A lot of grocers can't get them from their usual suppliers and if they call up someone else who does have eggs to sell, that guy is going to quote him an above wholesale price because he's not a regular customer. "I've been trying to sell eggs to you for years and you never bought any, and when this is over I know I am never going to see your ass again, so it's gonna cost you." So maybe Stop&Shop is paying $4 and is marking them up to $8 which they can get away with because they have no competition in the Rockaways.

  110. @Nicholas Stix
    @AnotherDad

    Eggs are going for $8/dzn (large, I believe) at the only supermarket around here,in Queens' Rockaways. It's the supermarket formerly known as Waldbaum's, aka Stop and Shop.

    My theory, as to the price of eggs has nothing to do with chicken farms. I believe that supermarkets and convenience stores have jacked up the price of eggs, because they don't think they can get away with jacking up all prices across the board, as much as they'd like to.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @jill, @Jack D

    There was a British farmer claiming in a video that he experienced this — English market chain refused to pay his minimum price (established, not newly raised), he couldn’t sell, the chain threw its hands up and cried, oh, these farmers are refusing to sell. There’s a relatively benign theory that the supermarkets (which were the only place anyone could go for the longest and worst parts of the lockdown) got used to lockdown prices and struggle to adjust to horrible, horrible freedom. But then why eggs?

  111. @Anonymous
    @J.Ross


    and going out at all is not the same.
     
    What is different about it now?

    Replies: @J.Ross

    How do you mean?

  112. @Anonymous
    @Jack D


    She looks kind of generic Mediterranean white person to me.
     
    She looks black.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Jack D

    My first impression too; her current skin and hair are drastically different.

  113. @Anon
    @JR Ewing


    I have a couple of dozen chickens on my rural property. Get about 6-7 dozen eggs per week and sell them all quickly.
     
    How much acreage do you need to raise chickens for egg production?

    Replies: @JR Ewing

    How much acreage do you need to raise chickens for egg production?

    Depends on how much you are willing to feed them and how bad the winter is in your area.

    Mine personally – about 24 birds – are allowed to free range over about 2 acres of space. I feed them about a quarter pound each of chicken food per week in the winter and about half that in the summer when there are more bugs and green vegetation.

    We live in Houston, so even in the winter they can find food. Further north they will need to be fed more in the winter. We also have cows and the chickens love to eat nuts and seeds out of the cow manure.

    You don’t need a lot of space if you are willing to keep them in a coop in your backyard, but you’ll have to tend to them more and make sure they have enough food and water since they can’t find it themselves.

    I personally think they are happier and healthier being allowed to free range, but that’s not feasible for some people.

  114. Whenever someone smart and successful opines in this way, I want to ask if they make the same assumptions about themselves as they think black Americans should do for themselves, and why not?

    Do you operate as if you have agency, or do you blame “the system”?

    Did you prepare for exams, or did you operate on the basis of hopelessness because everyone was against you?

    Do you turn up to meetings on time, or do you claim that’s just white supremacy?

    If you robbed someone on the street, would you feel guilty? Or burnt down their business? Would you do these things?

    If someone advised you to find the origin of none of your mistakes and failures in yourself, how would you feel?

    Why do you perceive black people as particularly stupid and helpless children?

    Don’t you find it interesting that your implicit assumptions about black people match exactly what you accuse your political enemies of?

    If all of your self-styled friends were condescending to you and talking you down, would that discourage you in life?

    Do you not realise that black people could committ a lot less crime?

    Do you not realise that black people could make much healthier choices?

    Do you not realise that black people could study many more hours a week?

    Do you not realise this because many black people actually do, and actually often did more when racism was more prevalent?

    How does your narrative that assumes black infantility serve your ego? Perhaps go away, give up on politics, and work that one out.

  115. @Mr. Anon
    @J.Ross


    First line: “If there is a quintessential hub to suburban America, it is Waffle House.” The first line. One line in. What drugs are NYT urinalists on?
     
    The journalist propagandist who wrote that article clearly knows nothing about suburban America. Waffle Houses are certainly not a hub for "suburban America".

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Bill Jones

    Waffle Houses were built for people on the road. They’ve been by Interstate exits, with one place in Georgia I remember having 2 of them at one exit! It’s only in the last 10 years that I’ve seen Waffle Houses away from the Interstate.

    Yes, the guy’s full of it. What would you expect from the reporter journalist propagandist, a whole comprehensive internet search, a la Art Deco?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Waffle Houses were built for people on the road. They’ve been by Interstate exits, with one place in Georgia I remember having 2 of them at one exit! It’s only in the last 10 years that I’ve seen Waffle Houses away from the Interstate.
     
    Yes, they are mostly road-side diners. I've seen a few that are away from the interstate. But no self-respecting suburban mom would take her kids there.
    , @Jack D
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I don't think Waffle Houses are mostly sited near Interstate exits. Some are, some aren't. Typically they are on heavily travelled commercial strips - the same places you would put a McDonalds or a convenience store/gas station. If that commercial strip just happens to be adjacent to an expressway exit, all the better. But in Myrtle Beach, SC, there are a half a dozen of them and not one is near an Interstate entrance. They are not meant to be highway rest stops. Most of the customers are probably locals who drive by the Waffle House every day.

    I think that author's mental universe is like the famous old New Yorker cover that shows the New Yorker's mental map of America. You have Manhattan and Brooklyn, where there are no Waffle Houses and then after that the rest of America is "suburbia" where people ride in cars that are not Ubers.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  116. @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    It's hard to tell what celebs really look like because everything is bleached and plastic surgeried and photoshopped, etc. but if you look for their childhood photos you can usually get a pretty good idea:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/NINTCHDBPICT000003624257.jpg?w=1005

    She looks kind of generic Mediterranean white person to me.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Anon, @Anonymous, @JR Ewing, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @anon, @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    Looks black to me:

    Also, one thing that REALLY bugs me nowadays is the dark skinned people with blonde hair. I’m not saying that they can’t have any hair color they choose, but it’s totally unnatural and not as attractive as they think. It’s very jarring. Unless the rest of your complexion might allow the possibility of naturally blonde hair (ie white women), then dyed blonde hair doesn’t make you more attractive, it makes you look like a dark skinned person with fake blonde hair.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    @JR Ewing

    Yeah, yeah, I know about those photo-shoot backdrops, but the MasterCard logo was a for-real and not a snarky laughed-out-loud.

    Lady, you could get more "clients" if you took Visa!

    , @Jack D
    @JR Ewing


    Looks black to me:
     
    You say that like it's a BAD thing. If she looks sorta black, that's no accident. If you are a pop singer, looking a little like Beyonce, Rihanna, etc. is not a bad look.

    As I said before, the way any pop star or actress or politician looks like once she becomes a public figure is an artificial product. It is an image that she and her handlers consciously want to project and has little to do with her (or his) natural appearance. This is why you have to go back to their childhood photos to see what they really look like.
  117. @Corvinus
    @Colin Wright

    “Well, that’s not true: the Japanese have accomplished so much precisely because their culture isn’t”

    No, they’ve accomplished a great many things due to their innovative people. It make no difference if
    they are a heterogenous or homogenous society.

    “People believe what they’re told — even when what they’re looking at directly contradicts it”

    That’s called confirmation bias. We are all prone to it.

    Replies: @Patrick in SC, @Recently Based, @JR Ewing

    OK fine, they are innovative. They are also homogenous. The end.

  118. @Colin Wright
    @Corvinus


    I’m not the one who is part of a group (Jews) that is seeking to destroy Western Civilization. Or so I’m told by the unz commentariat. And you’re not helping the situation by playing the victim card.
     
    Be that as it may; Jack's right that you are an idiot.

    To be precise, I've never heard you express an original thought. You just seem to string together platitudes you apparently picked up from MSNBC or some such place. Then, when you get criticized, you respond with irrelevancies.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    Do I really expect you or Jack or others to admit that I make cogent points that counter their narrative?

    No. It’s just easier for everyone to make that charge.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Corvinus


    Do I really expect you or Jack or others to admit that I make cogent points that counter their narrative?
     
    They don't admit it because you don't make any cogent points. And you are nothing but a repeater for establishment narratives. You can be replaced by a car-radio tuned to NPR.

    No. It’s just easier for everyone to make that charge.
     
    It's easy for people to make the charge that you are a brainwashed idiot because you are a brainwashed idiot.
    , @Colin Wright
    @Corvinus

    'Do I really expect you or Jack or others to admit that I make cogent points that counter their narrative?'

    That doesn't really fly. As Jack and I are demonstrating at the moment, we couldn't disagree more about the Zionist entity -- an issue I feel very strongly about.

    ...and yet I don't think think he's an idiot. An emissary from the Dark Side of the Force, quite likely. Irritating in some respects yeah -- but the same has been said of me.

    ...but not an idiot. No...that one wouldn't be accurate.

    Your 'points' aren't defensible. Worse -- as we've all pointed out -- they're not original. We can all turn on the telly if we want to hear them -- and it's reasonable to assume that's where you got them.

    You don't even really argue. You just keep stringing together canned rejoinders ('confirmation bias', for example) until your interlocutor gets bored and wanders off.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  119. @Mr. Anon
    @J.Ross


    First line: “If there is a quintessential hub to suburban America, it is Waffle House.” The first line. One line in. What drugs are NYT urinalists on?
     
    The journalist propagandist who wrote that article clearly knows nothing about suburban America. Waffle Houses are certainly not a hub for "suburban America".

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Bill Jones

    The journalist propagandist who wrote that article clearly knows nothing about suburban America. Waffle Houses are certainly not a hub for “suburban America”.

    I think it’s an aspiring Fly Over who’s still in the larval Drive Through stage of development

  120. @Recently Based
    @Corvinus


    “People believe what they’re told — even when what they’re looking at directly contradicts it”

    That’s called confirmation bias. We are all prone to it.
     

    That's not called confirmation bias.

    What OP Colin Wright is describing is called 'illusory truth effect' :

    https://cognitiveresearchjournal.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s41235-021-00301-5

    Replies: @Corvinus

    You make a good point.

    Confirmation bias is our tendency to cherry-pick information that confirms our existing beliefs or ideas. Confirmation bias explains why two people with opposing views on a topic can see the same evidence and come away feeling validated by it.

    • Thanks: Recently Based
  121. @JR Ewing
    @Jack D

    Looks black to me:

    https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/[email protected]@._V1_.jpg

    Also, one thing that REALLY bugs me nowadays is the dark skinned people with blonde hair. I'm not saying that they can't have any hair color they choose, but it's totally unnatural and not as attractive as they think. It's very jarring. Unless the rest of your complexion might allow the possibility of naturally blonde hair (ie white women), then dyed blonde hair doesn't make you more attractive, it makes you look like a dark skinned person with fake blonde hair.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @Jack D

    Yeah, yeah, I know about those photo-shoot backdrops, but the MasterCard logo was a for-real and not a snarky laughed-out-loud.

    Lady, you could get more “clients” if you took Visa!

  122. @Nicholas Stix
    @AnotherDad

    Eggs are going for $8/dzn (large, I believe) at the only supermarket around here,in Queens' Rockaways. It's the supermarket formerly known as Waldbaum's, aka Stop and Shop.

    My theory, as to the price of eggs has nothing to do with chicken farms. I believe that supermarkets and convenience stores have jacked up the price of eggs, because they don't think they can get away with jacking up all prices across the board, as much as they'd like to.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @jill, @Jack D

  123. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Mr. Anon

    Waffle Houses were built for people on the road. They've been by Interstate exits, with one place in Georgia I remember having 2 of them at one exit! It's only in the last 10 years that I've seen Waffle Houses away from the Interstate.

    Yes, the guy's full of it. What would you expect from the reporter journalist propagandist, a whole comprehensive internet search, a la Art Deco?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Jack D

    Waffle Houses were built for people on the road. They’ve been by Interstate exits, with one place in Georgia I remember having 2 of them at one exit! It’s only in the last 10 years that I’ve seen Waffle Houses away from the Interstate.

    Yes, they are mostly road-side diners. I’ve seen a few that are away from the interstate. But no self-respecting suburban mom would take her kids there.

  124. @Corvinus
    @Colin Wright

    Do I really expect you or Jack or others to admit that I make cogent points that counter their narrative?

    No. It’s just easier for everyone to make that charge.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Colin Wright

    Do I really expect you or Jack or others to admit that I make cogent points that counter their narrative?

    They don’t admit it because you don’t make any cogent points. And you are nothing but a repeater for establishment narratives. You can be replaced by a car-radio tuned to NPR.

    No. It’s just easier for everyone to make that charge.

    It’s easy for people to make the charge that you are a brainwashed idiot because you are a brainwashed idiot.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  125. Klemko is a complete clown who went from covering the NFL to the race beat. He also punched a cabbie and commandeered a cab in Chicago with it impacting his career. What a world we live in.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/sports-illustrated-writer-charged-with-hitting-cab-driver/

  126. @AnotherDad
    @J.Ross

    AnotherMom is making my eggs right now. But she paid 4.50ish for 18 at Walmart. (A dozen was the same.)

    Sad, cause yeah eggs are great source of affordable protein. This is grabbing a few more bucks out of people's budgets each week, and making a bunch of folks skip their delightful egg.

    It's bird flu that's jacked the price up. They've killed off tens of millions of hens in infected facilities. (Just be glad they didn't do that with Covid--next time.)

    Replies: @JR Ewing, @Jack D, @J.Ross, @Nicholas Stix, @Mr. Anon

    Some small chicken farmers claim that their chickens are not sick, but just not laying eggs:

    https://www.foxnews.com/video/6319517278112

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Mr. Anon

    Did they give the chickens the Pfizer vaccine?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Mr. Anon

  127. @Mr. Anon
    @AnotherDad

    Some small chicken farmers claim that their chickens are not sick, but just not laying eggs:

    https://www.foxnews.com/video/6319517278112

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Did they give the chickens the Pfizer vaccine?

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Steve Sailer


    Did they give the chickens the Pfizer vaccine?
     
    No, they think it might be the feed.

    The vaccine is merely responsible for the dramatic uptick in stories like this one:

    https://www.today.com/health/health/18-year-old-dies-cardiac-arrest-gym-class-rcna65274
    , @Mr. Anon
    @Steve Sailer

    And apparently the common cold now all of a sudden causes pericarditis. Who knew?

    https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/msnbc-anchor-hospitalized-with-severe-myocarditis-blames-it-on-the-common-cold-virus/

  128. @JR Ewing
    @Jack D

    Looks black to me:

    https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/[email protected]@._V1_.jpg

    Also, one thing that REALLY bugs me nowadays is the dark skinned people with blonde hair. I'm not saying that they can't have any hair color they choose, but it's totally unnatural and not as attractive as they think. It's very jarring. Unless the rest of your complexion might allow the possibility of naturally blonde hair (ie white women), then dyed blonde hair doesn't make you more attractive, it makes you look like a dark skinned person with fake blonde hair.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @Jack D

    Looks black to me:

    You say that like it’s a BAD thing. If she looks sorta black, that’s no accident. If you are a pop singer, looking a little like Beyonce, Rihanna, etc. is not a bad look.

    As I said before, the way any pop star or actress or politician looks like once she becomes a public figure is an artificial product. It is an image that she and her handlers consciously want to project and has little to do with her (or his) natural appearance. This is why you have to go back to their childhood photos to see what they really look like.

  129. @Anonymous
    @Jack D


    She looks kind of generic Mediterranean white person to me.
     
    She looks black.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Jack D

    Her hair is nothing like the natural hair of an African. We are used to seeing sub-Saharan African women with hair that looks sort of like that but it’s completely artificial and requires a lot of work to attain that texture and color (this is why black women are so obsessed with their hair – if they just did a quick shampoo and let it air dry, it would look like a fright wig). She looks like a black person who is attempting to look like a white person.

  130. @Colin Wright
    @Jack D

    '...But, OTOH, if you are talking about the Arab women of the Gaza Strip, obesity is a real problem....'

    Does that make you feel better about killing them?

    Replies: @Jack D

    I haven’t killed anyone.

    The Israelis don’t feel good about killing civilians. They try to avoid civilian casualties. When they demolish a terrorist site they first “knock” on the roof with a dummy round in order to get everyone to leave. No other military does this. The Russians in Ukraine sure as hell don’t.

    Palestinians OTOH positively rejoice when Israeli civilians are murdered. After the latest synagogue attack, they were dancing in the street in Gaza. Handing out candy, honking their horns like they had just won the Superbowl because some Israeli civilians had been murdered. Their deaths were not collateral damage. Killing civilians was their goal. That’s sick.

    https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-729930

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Jack D

    'The Israelis don’t feel good about killing civilians. They try to avoid civilian casualties...'

    Good one, dude. That pretty much ignores the last seventy years -- and in particular, the last twenty.

    Given a green light from us, Israel's pretty much been going all out. The last few months, they haven't even felt it necessary to gin up a pretext; they just murder gentiles because it feels good. Remember Ovadia Josef pleading that it was foolish to kill the gentiles?

    Well, he's dead now. It's party time.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Colin Wright
    @Jack D

    'I haven’t killed anyone.'

    Neither had the average burgher at home in Germany in 1943.

    In fact, he too found it more comfortable to assume that nothing bad was happening, that the Jews were just being resettled in the East and taught to perform useful labor.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Joe Stalin
    @Jack D


    The Israelis don’t feel good about killing civilians.
     
    It's bad PR.

    They try to avoid civilian casualties.
     
    Uhh...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5MEeAzOn0Y

    Replies: @Jack D

  131. @Jack D
    @Colin Wright

    I haven't killed anyone.

    The Israelis don't feel good about killing civilians. They try to avoid civilian casualties. When they demolish a terrorist site they first "knock" on the roof with a dummy round in order to get everyone to leave. No other military does this. The Russians in Ukraine sure as hell don't.

    Palestinians OTOH positively rejoice when Israeli civilians are murdered. After the latest synagogue attack, they were dancing in the street in Gaza. Handing out candy, honking their horns like they had just won the Superbowl because some Israeli civilians had been murdered. Their deaths were not collateral damage. Killing civilians was their goal. That's sick.

    https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-729930

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright, @Joe Stalin

    ‘The Israelis don’t feel good about killing civilians. They try to avoid civilian casualties…’

    Good one, dude. That pretty much ignores the last seventy years — and in particular, the last twenty.

    Given a green light from us, Israel’s pretty much been going all out. The last few months, they haven’t even felt it necessary to gin up a pretext; they just murder gentiles because it feels good. Remember Ovadia Josef pleading that it was foolish to kill the gentiles?

    Well, he’s dead now. It’s party time.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Colin Wright

    Wow, 70 years and they've only managed to kill a few hundred civilians. They need lessons from the Russians - the Russians have killed more Ukrainian civilians than that in less than a year. Or maybe Assad could help them - he was able to kill 300,000 civilians in Syria with Russia's help in only a few years.

    There are like a million ex-Russian citizens in Israel. You would think that they could find some ex-Russian military guy who could help train them on how to kill more civilians. You want to aim at places where the public gathers like hospitals, theaters, shopping malls, etc. It's really pathetic that here they are a nuclear power with 300 American fighter aircraft, advanced rockets, drones, etc. and they can only manage to kill a handful of civilians every year. You would think that they would have the capability of getting the job done much faster and better. At this rate, it's gonna take them centuries.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  132. @Jack D
    @Colin Wright

    I haven't killed anyone.

    The Israelis don't feel good about killing civilians. They try to avoid civilian casualties. When they demolish a terrorist site they first "knock" on the roof with a dummy round in order to get everyone to leave. No other military does this. The Russians in Ukraine sure as hell don't.

    Palestinians OTOH positively rejoice when Israeli civilians are murdered. After the latest synagogue attack, they were dancing in the street in Gaza. Handing out candy, honking their horns like they had just won the Superbowl because some Israeli civilians had been murdered. Their deaths were not collateral damage. Killing civilians was their goal. That's sick.

    https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-729930

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright, @Joe Stalin

    ‘I haven’t killed anyone.’

    Neither had the average burgher at home in Germany in 1943.

    In fact, he too found it more comfortable to assume that nothing bad was happening, that the Jews were just being resettled in the East and taught to perform useful labor.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Colin Wright

    So Jews are just like Nazis?

    I'm not an Israeli citizen either. And Israel is a vigorous democracy. There are indeed many Israeli Leftist groups such as "Peace Now" that openly and actively campaign against Israel's policies toward the Palestinians. There are ultra-Orthodox who believe that the State of Israel should not exist and we should wait for the coming of the Messiah. There are extremist settlers who think that the government is too nice to Palestinians. Every possible opinion is represented and permitted. If you express your opinion, unlike Nazi Germany (or Russia today), no one comes and hauls you off. And nothing that Israel is doing in any way resembles Nazi extermination camps.

    Replies: @Pixo, @Colin Wright

  133. @Corvinus
    @Colin Wright

    Do I really expect you or Jack or others to admit that I make cogent points that counter their narrative?

    No. It’s just easier for everyone to make that charge.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Colin Wright

    ‘Do I really expect you or Jack or others to admit that I make cogent points that counter their narrative?’

    That doesn’t really fly. As Jack and I are demonstrating at the moment, we couldn’t disagree more about the Zionist entity — an issue I feel very strongly about.

    …and yet I don’t think think he’s an idiot. An emissary from the Dark Side of the Force, quite likely. Irritating in some respects yeah — but the same has been said of me.

    …but not an idiot. No…that one wouldn’t be accurate.

    Your ‘points’ aren’t defensible. Worse — as we’ve all pointed out — they’re not original. We can all turn on the telly if we want to hear them — and it’s reasonable to assume that’s where you got them.

    You don’t even really argue. You just keep stringing together canned rejoinders (‘confirmation bias’, for example) until your interlocutor gets bored and wanders off.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Colin Wright

    You’re proving my point. I do offer arguments. I do offer evidence. You simply dismiss them. That way, you don’t have to engage in critical thinking.

  134. @Jack D
    @Colin Wright

    I haven't killed anyone.

    The Israelis don't feel good about killing civilians. They try to avoid civilian casualties. When they demolish a terrorist site they first "knock" on the roof with a dummy round in order to get everyone to leave. No other military does this. The Russians in Ukraine sure as hell don't.

    Palestinians OTOH positively rejoice when Israeli civilians are murdered. After the latest synagogue attack, they were dancing in the street in Gaza. Handing out candy, honking their horns like they had just won the Superbowl because some Israeli civilians had been murdered. Their deaths were not collateral damage. Killing civilians was their goal. That's sick.

    https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-729930

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright, @Joe Stalin

    The Israelis don’t feel good about killing civilians.

    It’s bad PR.

    They try to avoid civilian casualties.

    Uhh…

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Joe Stalin

    Yes, exactly, this gun is called the "Kneecapper" and not the "Headshotter". Maybe they do it to avoid bad PR rather than out of humanitarianism, but for whatever reason, the Israelis make fairly elaborate efforts to avoid killing civilians (maybe the most elaborate of any military including the US) while the Palestinians ASPIRE to kill them.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  135. @Joe Stalin
    @Jack D


    The Israelis don’t feel good about killing civilians.
     
    It's bad PR.

    They try to avoid civilian casualties.
     
    Uhh...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5MEeAzOn0Y

    Replies: @Jack D

    Yes, exactly, this gun is called the “Kneecapper” and not the “Headshotter”. Maybe they do it to avoid bad PR rather than out of humanitarianism, but for whatever reason, the Israelis make fairly elaborate efforts to avoid killing civilians (maybe the most elaborate of any military including the US) while the Palestinians ASPIRE to kill them.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Jack D

    'Yes, exactly, this gun is called the “Kneecapper” and not the “Headshotter”...'

    Suitable for protesters, I take it.

  136. @Colin Wright
    @Jack D

    'I haven’t killed anyone.'

    Neither had the average burgher at home in Germany in 1943.

    In fact, he too found it more comfortable to assume that nothing bad was happening, that the Jews were just being resettled in the East and taught to perform useful labor.

    Replies: @Jack D

    So Jews are just like Nazis?

    I’m not an Israeli citizen either. And Israel is a vigorous democracy. There are indeed many Israeli Leftist groups such as “Peace Now” that openly and actively campaign against Israel’s policies toward the Palestinians. There are ultra-Orthodox who believe that the State of Israel should not exist and we should wait for the coming of the Messiah. There are extremist settlers who think that the government is too nice to Palestinians. Every possible opinion is represented and permitted. If you express your opinion, unlike Nazi Germany (or Russia today), no one comes and hauls you off. And nothing that Israel is doing in any way resembles Nazi extermination camps.

    • Replies: @Pixo
    @Jack D

    Israel’s government harasses the people on both political fringes. The definition of fringe has shifted though, people who were on the left end of mainstream in 1990 would not be on the persecuted left fringe now.

    Meanwhile the current gov has Kahanists in high level positions who previously would be too far right to even be allowed to run. The current minister of national security:

    Ben-Gvir, a settler in the West Bank, has faced charges of hate speech against Arabs and was known to have a portrait in his living room of Israeli-American terrorist Baruch Goldstein…

    He first joined a right-wing youth movement affiliated with Moledet, a party which advocated transferring Arabs out of Israel, and then joined the youth movement of the even more radical Kach and Kahane Chai party, which was eventually designated as a terrorist organization and outlawed by the Israeli government. He became youth coordinator of Kach, and claimed that he was detained at age 14. When he came of age for conscription into the Israel Defense Forces at 18, he was exempted from service by the IDF due to his extreme-right political background.

    Ben-Gvir sometimes represented himself during his many indictments, and at the suggestion of several judges, he decided to study law. Ben-Gvir studied law at the Ono Academic College. At the end of his studies, the Israel Bar Association blocked him from taking the bar exam on grounds of his criminal record.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Colin Wright
    @Jack D


    So Jews are just like Nazis?
     
    Jews who support Israel are. Like Germans supporting Nazism, it's a choice.
  137. @James Forrestal
    @Mr. Anon


    Clown World, like Libs of Tik-Tok, has become an indespensible guide to the contemporary scene:
     
    Kosher sandwich note:

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/twitter-activist-behind-far-right-libs-of-tiktok-revealed-to-be-us-orthodox-jew/

    Replies: @Yngvar

    She’s trying to tear down the system! Every. Single. Time. /j

  138. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Mr. Anon

    Waffle Houses were built for people on the road. They've been by Interstate exits, with one place in Georgia I remember having 2 of them at one exit! It's only in the last 10 years that I've seen Waffle Houses away from the Interstate.

    Yes, the guy's full of it. What would you expect from the reporter journalist propagandist, a whole comprehensive internet search, a la Art Deco?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Jack D

    I don’t think Waffle Houses are mostly sited near Interstate exits. Some are, some aren’t. Typically they are on heavily travelled commercial strips – the same places you would put a McDonalds or a convenience store/gas station. If that commercial strip just happens to be adjacent to an expressway exit, all the better. But in Myrtle Beach, SC, there are a half a dozen of them and not one is near an Interstate entrance. They are not meant to be highway rest stops. Most of the customers are probably locals who drive by the Waffle House every day.

    I think that author’s mental universe is like the famous old New Yorker cover that shows the New Yorker’s mental map of America. You have Manhattan and Brooklyn, where there are no Waffle Houses and then after that the rest of America is “suburbia” where people ride in cars that are not Ubers.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jack D


    I don’t think Waffle Houses are mostly sited near Interstate exits.
     
    Yes, they almost all were/are till recently. You just got done telling us that you are 50 miles from the nearest Waffle House.

    You might be thinking of another chain, like IHOP. Of the Waffle Houses in Myrtle Beach, SC, one is on the frontage road of US-17 (the bypass) which is limited access there at the cloverleaf interchange with the US-501 - also limited access there. Another is off that same highway on the south side. There is another off the 501 to the north by a diamond interchange.

    (By "Interstate", in the South, one means "freeway", for you weirdos.)

    Yes, 2 others, granted are by the big MYR airport on the "business" 17, probably new anomalous ones.

    They are most certainly NOT on the commercial strips on the 4-lanes leading in/out of town in general (where the McDonalds, Wendy's, etc. are).

    Those are my closing arguments, ladies, gentlemen, and BLT-G's of the jury. The plaintiff's case has been covered, scattered, and smothered, your honor.

    Replies: @Jack D

  139. @Recently Based
    "The lackeys of a white supremacist state can also have black skin" isn't an inherently ridiculous observation, and it seems foolish to pretend otherwise.

    What's missing from these WaPo / NYT / NPR arguments is any semblance of intellectual honesty about basically any of the issues involved, including among others: (i) crime rates among blacks; (ii) any need to provide evidence that various measures of black underperformance are the result of racism; and (iii) evidence about what kinds of policing actually reduce crime with what trade-offs.

    It's not that nuance is wrong per se, but that they are transparently using it as an excuse to avoid confronting reality.

    Replies: @anon

    It’s not that nuance is wrong per se, but that they are transparently using it as an excuse to avoid confronting reality.

    Thanks for a compellingly nuanced take on nuance.

  140. @J.Ross
    OT -- When Musk infrastructure encounters CHAZ society.
    https://twitter.com/ClownWorld_/status/1619887424775258112

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @neutral, @Jim Don Bob, @Richard B

    … The widely viewed videos of the Nichols beating provided fodder for right-wing media ecosystems that routinely blame Black America’s maladies on Black America

    Nice bit of narcissistic blame-shifting.

    and spawned nuanced conversations among Black activists about how systemic racism can manifest in the actions of non-White people.

    In other words…

    and triggered lots of kvetching among black activists about how they can continue to use the logical fallacy of misplaced correctness (systemic racism) so as to continue blaming white people for – everything.

  141. @Jack D
    @Colin Wright

    So Jews are just like Nazis?

    I'm not an Israeli citizen either. And Israel is a vigorous democracy. There are indeed many Israeli Leftist groups such as "Peace Now" that openly and actively campaign against Israel's policies toward the Palestinians. There are ultra-Orthodox who believe that the State of Israel should not exist and we should wait for the coming of the Messiah. There are extremist settlers who think that the government is too nice to Palestinians. Every possible opinion is represented and permitted. If you express your opinion, unlike Nazi Germany (or Russia today), no one comes and hauls you off. And nothing that Israel is doing in any way resembles Nazi extermination camps.

    Replies: @Pixo, @Colin Wright

    Israel’s government harasses the people on both political fringes. The definition of fringe has shifted though, people who were on the left end of mainstream in 1990 would not be on the persecuted left fringe now.

    Meanwhile the current gov has Kahanists in high level positions who previously would be too far right to even be allowed to run. The current minister of national security:

    Ben-Gvir, a settler in the West Bank, has faced charges of hate speech against Arabs and was known to have a portrait in his living room of Israeli-American terrorist Baruch Goldstein…

    He first joined a right-wing youth movement affiliated with Moledet, a party which advocated transferring Arabs out of Israel, and then joined the youth movement of the even more radical Kach and Kahane Chai party, which was eventually designated as a terrorist organization and outlawed by the Israeli government. He became youth coordinator of Kach, and claimed that he was detained at age 14. When he came of age for conscription into the Israel Defense Forces at 18, he was exempted from service by the IDF due to his extreme-right political background.

    Ben-Gvir sometimes represented himself during his many indictments, and at the suggestion of several judges, he decided to study law. Ben-Gvir studied law at the Ono Academic College. At the end of his studies, the Israel Bar Association blocked him from taking the bar exam on grounds of his criminal record.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Pixo

    Yeah, this is nothing like America where a President would never want to be associated with right wing extremists. I'll see your Ben-Gvir and raise you a Nick Fuentes. Or remember Obama and his minister Reverend Wright? Obama was just dozing when Wright was giving anti-White sermons every Sunday for decades.

    The old saying is that "politics makes for strange bedfellows" (also "no enemies on the left"). In a closely divided country where the other side (almost half the population) hates your guts, you can't afford to alienate too many people on your own side, even on the extremes of your side, because then you won't get to govern anything.

  142. We are now at full “everything bad that happens to Black people is white people’s fault”. A Reparations Tax is a virtual surety now. Jews will have to pay it too. But for them it will still be worth it for its service to the Holocaust Narrative.

  143. @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    It's hard to tell what celebs really look like because everything is bleached and plastic surgeried and photoshopped, etc. but if you look for their childhood photos you can usually get a pretty good idea:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/NINTCHDBPICT000003624257.jpg?w=1005

    She looks kind of generic Mediterranean white person to me.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Anon, @Anonymous, @JR Ewing, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @anon, @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    A lot of the time, what makes celebrities attractive is not that they are better-looking than ordinary normal people, it’s just that they have learned how to carry themselves confidently, and they know how to make the camera like them.

    “The secret to rock n roll is that some people are willing to pay good money to stand in a crowded room and watch other people believe in themselves.” — Kim Gordon, Sonic Youth

  144. @Colin Wright
    @Jack D

    'The Israelis don’t feel good about killing civilians. They try to avoid civilian casualties...'

    Good one, dude. That pretty much ignores the last seventy years -- and in particular, the last twenty.

    Given a green light from us, Israel's pretty much been going all out. The last few months, they haven't even felt it necessary to gin up a pretext; they just murder gentiles because it feels good. Remember Ovadia Josef pleading that it was foolish to kill the gentiles?

    Well, he's dead now. It's party time.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Wow, 70 years and they’ve only managed to kill a few hundred civilians. They need lessons from the Russians – the Russians have killed more Ukrainian civilians than that in less than a year. Or maybe Assad could help them – he was able to kill 300,000 civilians in Syria with Russia’s help in only a few years.

    There are like a million ex-Russian citizens in Israel. You would think that they could find some ex-Russian military guy who could help train them on how to kill more civilians. You want to aim at places where the public gathers like hospitals, theaters, shopping malls, etc. It’s really pathetic that here they are a nuclear power with 300 American fighter aircraft, advanced rockets, drones, etc. and they can only manage to kill a handful of civilians every year. You would think that they would have the capability of getting the job done much faster and better. At this rate, it’s gonna take them centuries.

    • LOL: bomag
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Jack D

    'Wow, 70 years and they’ve only managed to kill a few hundred civilians. '

    You're missing a couple of zeroes there, buddy. 1700 in Lebanon 2006 alone.

    Moreover, Israel does have to fret about her fan club. She can't just party like she would if only she could.

    Israel always kills just as many as she can get away with. That's been true from Deir Yassin to last week.

    Plus, she's a small country. Proportionately, Sabra and Chantila was just as impressive as Babi Yar...and that was with the US looking on and being all judgmental and shit.

    The Mighty Mite! Hey: give your country credit.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Mike Tre

  145. @Pixo
    @Jack D

    Israel’s government harasses the people on both political fringes. The definition of fringe has shifted though, people who were on the left end of mainstream in 1990 would not be on the persecuted left fringe now.

    Meanwhile the current gov has Kahanists in high level positions who previously would be too far right to even be allowed to run. The current minister of national security:

    Ben-Gvir, a settler in the West Bank, has faced charges of hate speech against Arabs and was known to have a portrait in his living room of Israeli-American terrorist Baruch Goldstein…

    He first joined a right-wing youth movement affiliated with Moledet, a party which advocated transferring Arabs out of Israel, and then joined the youth movement of the even more radical Kach and Kahane Chai party, which was eventually designated as a terrorist organization and outlawed by the Israeli government. He became youth coordinator of Kach, and claimed that he was detained at age 14. When he came of age for conscription into the Israel Defense Forces at 18, he was exempted from service by the IDF due to his extreme-right political background.

    Ben-Gvir sometimes represented himself during his many indictments, and at the suggestion of several judges, he decided to study law. Ben-Gvir studied law at the Ono Academic College. At the end of his studies, the Israel Bar Association blocked him from taking the bar exam on grounds of his criminal record.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Yeah, this is nothing like America where a President would never want to be associated with right wing extremists. I’ll see your Ben-Gvir and raise you a Nick Fuentes. Or remember Obama and his minister Reverend Wright? Obama was just dozing when Wright was giving anti-White sermons every Sunday for decades.

    The old saying is that “politics makes for strange bedfellows” (also “no enemies on the left”). In a closely divided country where the other side (almost half the population) hates your guts, you can’t afford to alienate too many people on your own side, even on the extremes of your side, because then you won’t get to govern anything.

  146. @Gordo
    @Dan Smith


    The new explanation for the failure of blacks to catch up is that “systemic” racism exists, much like the fictitious ether that 19th century physicists thought was the medium for propagating electromagnetic waves, a theory roundly crushed by experimental science.
     
    Nice.

    Replies: @New Dealer

    Racism:
    Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group.

    Institutional racism:
    Institutions, especially governments, enforcing prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group.

    Structural racism:
    Any lingering effects of prior institutional racism.

    Systemic racism:
    Adverse outcomes for members of a particular racial or ethnic group that cannot honestly be explained by racism.

    • LOL: bomag
  147. Oh Lookie!

    Tyre Nichols death: white officer’s belated suspension raises questions

    Questions are being raised!

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jan/31/tyre-nichols-death-white-officer-preston-hemphill

    What are the odds the 5 black cops get a reduced sentence if they admit that the White Cop made them do it?

  148. • Replies: @bomag
    @Bill Jones

    Need a "no thanks" button for that one.

    Article noted a healthy backlash; is some hope out there.

  149. @Jack D
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I don't think Waffle Houses are mostly sited near Interstate exits. Some are, some aren't. Typically they are on heavily travelled commercial strips - the same places you would put a McDonalds or a convenience store/gas station. If that commercial strip just happens to be adjacent to an expressway exit, all the better. But in Myrtle Beach, SC, there are a half a dozen of them and not one is near an Interstate entrance. They are not meant to be highway rest stops. Most of the customers are probably locals who drive by the Waffle House every day.

    I think that author's mental universe is like the famous old New Yorker cover that shows the New Yorker's mental map of America. You have Manhattan and Brooklyn, where there are no Waffle Houses and then after that the rest of America is "suburbia" where people ride in cars that are not Ubers.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    I don’t think Waffle Houses are mostly sited near Interstate exits.

    Yes, they almost all were/are till recently. You just got done telling us that you are 50 miles from the nearest Waffle House.

    You might be thinking of another chain, like IHOP. Of the Waffle Houses in Myrtle Beach, SC, one is on the frontage road of US-17 (the bypass) which is limited access there at the cloverleaf interchange with the US-501 – also limited access there. Another is off that same highway on the south side. There is another off the 501 to the north by a diamond interchange.

    (By “Interstate”, in the South, one means “freeway”, for you weirdos.)

    Yes, 2 others, granted are by the big MYR airport on the “business” 17, probably new anomalous ones.

    They are most certainly NOT on the commercial strips on the 4-lanes leading in/out of town in general (where the McDonalds, Wendy’s, etc. are).

    Those are my closing arguments, ladies, gentlemen, and BLT-G’s of the jury. The plaintiff’s case has been covered, scattered, and smothered, your honor.

    • LOL: Adam Smith
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Achmed E. Newman

    There are 7 Waffle Houses in Surfside Beach/ Myrtle Beach/ N. Myrtle Beach. Of them, 4 (a majority) are on the main drag "Business 17" commercial strip AKA Kings Highway. You attempt to dismiss 2 of the 4 by saying they are "near the airport" - so what? Actually only one could be fairly stated to be near the airport and even that one is not that close - it's close to the grounds of the airport but quite some distance from the terminal.

    Of the remaining 3, one is actually quite close to the interchange with the limited access Bypass but is itself located on the inauspiciously named "Dick Pond Rd" which is itself an up and coming 5 lane commercial strip. And another is right at the interchange of the Bypass with 501 - I'll give you that 1.
    The one that is off to the north is on 501 not near any interchange. At that point 501 is also yet another commercial strip, not an "interstate". BTW, there's a McDonalds directly across the street from that one. In fact I think that ALL of the Waffle Houses in Myrtle Beach are shadowed by McDonalds in fairly close proximity (and vice versa).

    So I score them 1.5 Waffle Houses "by the Interstate" and 5.5 NOT. In this case the Interstate actually being a state highway. The REAL Interstate (I -95) runs 60 miles inland from the coast at this point.

  150. @Reg Cæsar


    First line: “If there is a quintessential hub to suburban America, it is Waffle House.” The first line. One line in. What drugs are NYT urinalists on?
     
    I have never been to a Waffle House nor have I even seen one in my area
     
    Mason-Dixon Line Renamed IHOP-Waffle House Line


    https://nathanrooy.github.io/posts/2016-03-23/ihop-vs-waffle-house/02.png

    Replies: @Jack D, @Joe Joe, @Chris Mallory

    We have both in my town. The IHOP is usually filled with Yankees stopping in off the interstate. IHOP is more expensive, not as friendly, and takes longer. Waffle House is visited by locals, every one from the doctors from the nearby hospital to guys who got off the midnight shift down at the chicken plant.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Chris Mallory

    When I visited the Social Contract offices in Petoskey way up Lake Michigan from Chi-town, a staff member took me to lunch at a walk-in diner a few blocks off the main drag. He said it was where the locals ate, rather than the more tourist-oriented places. So your observation works in the other direction, too.

    I would go to IHOP for the Swedish pancakes. On my only visit to a Waffle House, I had waffles. For obvious reasons.

    Replies: @Jack D

  151. Is it still “systematic” racism if the victim got the life kicked out of him because he was spending time with an ex baby mama of one of the cops? That has been reported by several people, to include the accusation that the cop sent a texted photo of the victim to the ex.

  152. @Chris Mallory
    @Reg Cæsar

    We have both in my town. The IHOP is usually filled with Yankees stopping in off the interstate. IHOP is more expensive, not as friendly, and takes longer. Waffle House is visited by locals, every one from the doctors from the nearby hospital to guys who got off the midnight shift down at the chicken plant.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    When I visited the Social Contract offices in Petoskey way up Lake Michigan from Chi-town, a staff member took me to lunch at a walk-in diner a few blocks off the main drag. He said it was where the locals ate, rather than the more tourist-oriented places. So your observation works in the other direction, too.

    I would go to IHOP for the Swedish pancakes. On my only visit to a Waffle House, I had waffles. For obvious reasons.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar


    On my only visit to a Waffle House, I had waffles. For obvious reasons.
     
    Other than the name, it's not that obvious. Waffles are certainly on the menu but they are not THE item to eat at Waffle House, they are just one item among many. I don't know what % of orders at Waffle House involves waffles but I don't think it is an overwhelming %. It wouldn't be like going to Pizza Hut and not having pizza.

    The owners chose the name Waffle House as a sort of subliminal suggestion because out of the 16 items on the original menu, they were the most profitable item. Based upon your order, it worked.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

  153. @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    It's hard to tell what celebs really look like because everything is bleached and plastic surgeried and photoshopped, etc. but if you look for their childhood photos you can usually get a pretty good idea:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/NINTCHDBPICT000003624257.jpg?w=1005

    She looks kind of generic Mediterranean white person to me.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Anon, @Anonymous, @JR Ewing, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @anon, @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    It’s hard to tell what celebs really look like because everything is bleached and plastic surgeried and photoshopped, etc. but if you look for their childhood photos you can usually get a pretty good idea:

    That’s a child?

  154. @Bill Jones
    Does this set off your nuance detector?
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/cosmetics-brand-accused-erasing-women-bearded-lipstick-ads


    https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/Screenshot-2023-01-31-at-13.00.12.png

    Replies: @bomag

    Need a “no thanks” button for that one.

    Article noted a healthy backlash; is some hope out there.

  155. @Jack D
    @neutral

    Copper theft is not just blacks. In the US, it's popular among white addicts. Sometimes they try to steal stuff that is still energized and they get fried.

    The recent outages in Washington State that affected thousands of customers were caused by a couple of white guys. Somehow in order to steal one cash register they went around and shot out 4 major substations and caused $3 million in damages. Now it's going to cost the taxpayers millions more because they are going to lock these guys up for a long time on Federal charges.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11596107/Two-men-charged-power-substation-attacks-left-thousands-Washington-state-without-power.html

    The energy infrastructure in the US is highly vulnerable. The MSM has some canned narrative that right wing evil KKK dudes are going after it, which is surely 99% BS but the fact remains that most substations are situated outdoors, unmanned and only lightly protected with chain link fences and very vulnerable.

    Replies: @Cato

    I recently googled the name of a friend from high school and found a news story about him. He had apparently been trying to steal some outdoor copper wiring, but the wires had been live, and he sustained injuries. He was white, but a person who had a very bad start in life (his father murdered his mother, and he spent half of his childhood in foster care).

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Cato

    A sad story. He is lucky to have escaped with his life. Many copper thieves have not been that lucky.

    The desperation brought on by the need for drugs makes people really stupid. A non-contact voltage tester pen costs $5. You just hold it up to an insulated wire and it will beep and turn red if electricity is present. If I was going to make my living as a copper thief I would invest the $5 at the same time as I bought the bolt cutters or Sawzall or whatever it is that copper thieves use to cut the wires (somehow they know all about that stuff but not about voltage tester pens). But then again I wouldn't make my living as a copper thief to begin with.

    The guys who steal catalytic converters get crushed a lot too because they rely on the jack not slipping - a jack stand is $12 at Wal-Mart. You can even shoplift it. You come out to your car in the morning to go to work and there's a dead guy pinned underneath. Not a good way to start your day. Maybe it's better than getting your converter stolen but it still puts a crimp in your day. You have to wait around for the cops and the coroner and so on. Usually by the time the jack slips the guy has already cut into your pipes so you have to get it repaired anyway.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

  156. @Jack D
    @Colin Wright

    So Jews are just like Nazis?

    I'm not an Israeli citizen either. And Israel is a vigorous democracy. There are indeed many Israeli Leftist groups such as "Peace Now" that openly and actively campaign against Israel's policies toward the Palestinians. There are ultra-Orthodox who believe that the State of Israel should not exist and we should wait for the coming of the Messiah. There are extremist settlers who think that the government is too nice to Palestinians. Every possible opinion is represented and permitted. If you express your opinion, unlike Nazi Germany (or Russia today), no one comes and hauls you off. And nothing that Israel is doing in any way resembles Nazi extermination camps.

    Replies: @Pixo, @Colin Wright

    So Jews are just like Nazis?

    Jews who support Israel are. Like Germans supporting Nazism, it’s a choice.

  157. @Jack D
    @Colin Wright

    Wow, 70 years and they've only managed to kill a few hundred civilians. They need lessons from the Russians - the Russians have killed more Ukrainian civilians than that in less than a year. Or maybe Assad could help them - he was able to kill 300,000 civilians in Syria with Russia's help in only a few years.

    There are like a million ex-Russian citizens in Israel. You would think that they could find some ex-Russian military guy who could help train them on how to kill more civilians. You want to aim at places where the public gathers like hospitals, theaters, shopping malls, etc. It's really pathetic that here they are a nuclear power with 300 American fighter aircraft, advanced rockets, drones, etc. and they can only manage to kill a handful of civilians every year. You would think that they would have the capability of getting the job done much faster and better. At this rate, it's gonna take them centuries.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘Wow, 70 years and they’ve only managed to kill a few hundred civilians. ‘

    You’re missing a couple of zeroes there, buddy. 1700 in Lebanon 2006 alone.

    Moreover, Israel does have to fret about her fan club. She can’t just party like she would if only she could.

    Israel always kills just as many as she can get away with. That’s been true from Deir Yassin to last week.

    Plus, she’s a small country. Proportionately, Sabra and Chantila was just as impressive as Babi Yar…and that was with the US looking on and being all judgmental and shit.

    The Mighty Mite! Hey: give your country credit.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Colin Wright

    The Israelis didn't kill anyone at Sabra and Shatila. The massacre was perpetrated by the Lebanese Christian militias. (I'm not even going to get into the maf of how somehow this is "proportionately" another Babi Yar.) The Phalangists sought revenge following the Muslim assassination of Lebanese Christian President Bachir Gemayel. The Muslims and Christians in Lebanon have been feuding with each other Hatfields and McCoys style since at least the Crusades.

    This is similar to the current situation between Tyre and the black cops. Even though there were no white people there, it was white people's fault anyway. By the same f-ed up logic, Sabra and Shatila was the Israeli's fault even though not a single Israeli entered the camp because apparently Arabs, like blacks, have no agency of their own.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright

    , @Mike Tre
    @Colin Wright

    Why do you waste time arguing with someone who is obviously lying?

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  158. @Colin Wright
    '...I think I’m going to start using “nuance” as a verb, as in “to repeat self-evidently preposterous Woke talking points.”...'

    The thing is, these 'self-evidently preposterous talking points' have an eroding effect if repeated often enough -- they cut a channel through our mind.

    Take 'diversity is our strength.' Well, that's not true: the Japanese have accomplished so much precisely because their culture isn't heterogeneous, and most famous military units have been drawn from not just the same nation and the same ethnicity, but even the same region. Even in the American army, consider the 442nd Regimental Combat Team; how impressive would those Japanese have been spread around to 'diversify' ten or twenty other regiments?

    And yet, simply by dint of repetition, we take it as good if we walk into a hospital and some large chunk of the staff is dot-Indian, and another is black, and yet another is white, and so on.

    Of course that isn't so -- but we've all been conditioned to see it as good.

    People believe what they're told -- even when what they're looking at directly contradicts it. I got exasperated with my wife when we were traveling and she picked up the idea from Facebook or whatever that Muslim women were fat. We happened to be in a bus station in Turkey at the time. I simply took pictures of the next seven women we saw. One was sort of pleasantly matronly -- the other six were impeccably thin. They certainly compared favorably to what you'd see if you walked into your local Walmart.

    It hadn't mattered. My wife had started to believe what she was told -- as opposed to what she could see. Repetition works.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Corvinus, @Cato

    If you had been on the average beach in Turkey thirty years ago, the only fat children would have been tourists from Europe. Now, a high proportion of Turkish children are overweight. Turks blame a lifestyle change — their children, like ours, sit glued to a computer monitor most of the day.

    But Turkish women tend to have an hourglass shape — they do not put on much weight in their midsection. So when they gain weight they do not lose their femininity.

  159. @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    This map is a little deceptive. They list PA as a "mixed" state but there's no Waffle House within 50 miles of my house. Waffle House goes a little north of the Mason-Dixon but they avoid the big cities. I think they are looking for "red" areas in the few blue states that they are in. They are not so much as suburban as exurban, at least in PA. They are not in all "red states" but they are in very few blue ones.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Reg Cæsar, @ScarletNumber

    While I didn’t step foot inside, I can tell you first hand that if one goes to the Sands Casino, located in the shell of the former Bethlehem Steelworks, the first thing one encounters when getting off of the interstate is a Waffle House.

  160. @Colin Wright
    @Jack D

    'Wow, 70 years and they’ve only managed to kill a few hundred civilians. '

    You're missing a couple of zeroes there, buddy. 1700 in Lebanon 2006 alone.

    Moreover, Israel does have to fret about her fan club. She can't just party like she would if only she could.

    Israel always kills just as many as she can get away with. That's been true from Deir Yassin to last week.

    Plus, she's a small country. Proportionately, Sabra and Chantila was just as impressive as Babi Yar...and that was with the US looking on and being all judgmental and shit.

    The Mighty Mite! Hey: give your country credit.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Mike Tre

    The Israelis didn’t kill anyone at Sabra and Shatila. The massacre was perpetrated by the Lebanese Christian militias. (I’m not even going to get into the maf of how somehow this is “proportionately” another Babi Yar.) The Phalangists sought revenge following the Muslim assassination of Lebanese Christian President Bachir Gemayel. The Muslims and Christians in Lebanon have been feuding with each other Hatfields and McCoys style since at least the Crusades.

    This is similar to the current situation between Tyre and the black cops. Even though there were no white people there, it was white people’s fault anyway. By the same f-ed up logic, Sabra and Shatila was the Israeli’s fault even though not a single Israeli entered the camp because apparently Arabs, like blacks, have no agency of their own.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Jack D

    It's similar to how Nixon was blamed for the Pol Pot massacres, because at the time Cambodia was allied with China which in turn was allied to the U.S.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @Colin Wright
    @Jack D

    'The Israelis didn’t kill anyone at Sabra and Shatila...'

    Do you excuse the gentile Nazis those killings that were actually carried out by Trawniki men? How about the pogroms the Lithuanians et al carried out under German auspices?

    Germans bear no responsibility for those, I take it?

    You are attempting to defend the indefensible. Since I happen to feel quite strongly about this issue, you keep pitching -- and I'll keep lining them out of the park.

    , @Colin Wright
    @Jack D


    '...The Muslims and Christians in Lebanon have been feuding with each other Hatfields and McCoys style since at least the Crusades...'
     
    That would be why we can absolve the Nazis of those killings carried out by Trawniki men, etc Ukrainians and Jews hated each other anyway, so...

    At Sabra and Chantila, the Jews first disarmed the Palestinians, then surrounded the camp. then let the Phalangists in while keeping the Palestinians from fleeing. They also illuminated the camps with flares and searchlights and kept anyone from interfering until the massacre was complete.

    I think it's fair to say that the relationship between the Israelis and the actual Christian killers was about the same as that between the various German units that supervised the Holocaust and the Ukrainians they often used to commit the actual killings. In what way did it differ?
  161. @Cato
    @Jack D

    I recently googled the name of a friend from high school and found a news story about him. He had apparently been trying to steal some outdoor copper wiring, but the wires had been live, and he sustained injuries. He was white, but a person who had a very bad start in life (his father murdered his mother, and he spent half of his childhood in foster care).

    Replies: @Jack D

    A sad story. He is lucky to have escaped with his life. Many copper thieves have not been that lucky.

    The desperation brought on by the need for drugs makes people really stupid. A non-contact voltage tester pen costs $5. You just hold it up to an insulated wire and it will beep and turn red if electricity is present. If I was going to make my living as a copper thief I would invest the $5 at the same time as I bought the bolt cutters or Sawzall or whatever it is that copper thieves use to cut the wires (somehow they know all about that stuff but not about voltage tester pens). But then again I wouldn’t make my living as a copper thief to begin with.

    The guys who steal catalytic converters get crushed a lot too because they rely on the jack not slipping – a jack stand is $12 at Wal-Mart. You can even shoplift it. You come out to your car in the morning to go to work and there’s a dead guy pinned underneath. Not a good way to start your day. Maybe it’s better than getting your converter stolen but it still puts a crimp in your day. You have to wait around for the cops and the coroner and so on. Usually by the time the jack slips the guy has already cut into your pipes so you have to get it repaired anyway.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @Jack D


    The guys who steal catalytic converters get crushed a lot too because they rely on the jack not slipping – a jack stand is $12 at Wal-Mart. You can even shoplift it. You come out to your car in the morning to go to work and there’s a dead guy pinned underneath.
     
    I had an office mate who had an acquaintance meet his demise that way with his face crushed when the jack failed.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6ufAL5R0mg

    Replies: @Jack D

  162. @Steve Sailer
    @Mr. Anon

    Did they give the chickens the Pfizer vaccine?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Mr. Anon

    Did they give the chickens the Pfizer vaccine?

    No, they think it might be the feed.

    The vaccine is merely responsible for the dramatic uptick in stories like this one:

    https://www.today.com/health/health/18-year-old-dies-cardiac-arrest-gym-class-rcna65274

  163. @Steve Sailer
    @Mr. Anon

    Did they give the chickens the Pfizer vaccine?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Mr. Anon

    And apparently the common cold now all of a sudden causes pericarditis. Who knew?

    https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/msnbc-anchor-hospitalized-with-severe-myocarditis-blames-it-on-the-common-cold-virus/

  164. @Reg Cæsar
    @Chris Mallory

    When I visited the Social Contract offices in Petoskey way up Lake Michigan from Chi-town, a staff member took me to lunch at a walk-in diner a few blocks off the main drag. He said it was where the locals ate, rather than the more tourist-oriented places. So your observation works in the other direction, too.

    I would go to IHOP for the Swedish pancakes. On my only visit to a Waffle House, I had waffles. For obvious reasons.

    Replies: @Jack D

    On my only visit to a Waffle House, I had waffles. For obvious reasons.

    Other than the name, it’s not that obvious. Waffles are certainly on the menu but they are not THE item to eat at Waffle House, they are just one item among many. I don’t know what % of orders at Waffle House involves waffles but I don’t think it is an overwhelming %. It wouldn’t be like going to Pizza Hut and not having pizza.

    The owners chose the name Waffle House as a sort of subliminal suggestion because out of the 16 items on the original menu, they were the most profitable item. Based upon your order, it worked.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Jack D

    Other than the name, it’s not that obvious. Waffles are certainly on the menu but they are not THE item to eat at Waffle House, they are just one item among many. I don’t know what % of orders at Waffle House involves waffles but I don’t think it is an overwhelming %. It wouldn’t be like going to Pizza Hut and not having pizza.

    Evidently , waffles are not quite as popular as hash browns at the Waffle House. See AJC article
    https://tinyurl.com/2k348yn8

  165. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jack D


    I don’t think Waffle Houses are mostly sited near Interstate exits.
     
    Yes, they almost all were/are till recently. You just got done telling us that you are 50 miles from the nearest Waffle House.

    You might be thinking of another chain, like IHOP. Of the Waffle Houses in Myrtle Beach, SC, one is on the frontage road of US-17 (the bypass) which is limited access there at the cloverleaf interchange with the US-501 - also limited access there. Another is off that same highway on the south side. There is another off the 501 to the north by a diamond interchange.

    (By "Interstate", in the South, one means "freeway", for you weirdos.)

    Yes, 2 others, granted are by the big MYR airport on the "business" 17, probably new anomalous ones.

    They are most certainly NOT on the commercial strips on the 4-lanes leading in/out of town in general (where the McDonalds, Wendy's, etc. are).

    Those are my closing arguments, ladies, gentlemen, and BLT-G's of the jury. The plaintiff's case has been covered, scattered, and smothered, your honor.

    Replies: @Jack D

    There are 7 Waffle Houses in Surfside Beach/ Myrtle Beach/ N. Myrtle Beach. Of them, 4 (a majority) are on the main drag “Business 17” commercial strip AKA Kings Highway. You attempt to dismiss 2 of the 4 by saying they are “near the airport” – so what? Actually only one could be fairly stated to be near the airport and even that one is not that close – it’s close to the grounds of the airport but quite some distance from the terminal.

    Of the remaining 3, one is actually quite close to the interchange with the limited access Bypass but is itself located on the inauspiciously named “Dick Pond Rd” which is itself an up and coming 5 lane commercial strip. And another is right at the interchange of the Bypass with 501 – I’ll give you that 1.
    The one that is off to the north is on 501 not near any interchange. At that point 501 is also yet another commercial strip, not an “interstate”. BTW, there’s a McDonalds directly across the street from that one. In fact I think that ALL of the Waffle Houses in Myrtle Beach are shadowed by McDonalds in fairly close proximity (and vice versa).

    So I score them 1.5 Waffle Houses “by the Interstate” and 5.5 NOT. In this case the Interstate actually being a state highway. The REAL Interstate (I -95) runs 60 miles inland from the coast at this point.

  166. @Jack D
    @Cato

    A sad story. He is lucky to have escaped with his life. Many copper thieves have not been that lucky.

    The desperation brought on by the need for drugs makes people really stupid. A non-contact voltage tester pen costs $5. You just hold it up to an insulated wire and it will beep and turn red if electricity is present. If I was going to make my living as a copper thief I would invest the $5 at the same time as I bought the bolt cutters or Sawzall or whatever it is that copper thieves use to cut the wires (somehow they know all about that stuff but not about voltage tester pens). But then again I wouldn't make my living as a copper thief to begin with.

    The guys who steal catalytic converters get crushed a lot too because they rely on the jack not slipping - a jack stand is $12 at Wal-Mart. You can even shoplift it. You come out to your car in the morning to go to work and there's a dead guy pinned underneath. Not a good way to start your day. Maybe it's better than getting your converter stolen but it still puts a crimp in your day. You have to wait around for the cops and the coroner and so on. Usually by the time the jack slips the guy has already cut into your pipes so you have to get it repaired anyway.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    The guys who steal catalytic converters get crushed a lot too because they rely on the jack not slipping – a jack stand is $12 at Wal-Mart. You can even shoplift it. You come out to your car in the morning to go to work and there’s a dead guy pinned underneath.

    I had an office mate who had an acquaintance meet his demise that way with his face crushed when the jack failed.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Joe Stalin

    Project Farm is interesting but all jack stands work if they are used properly. Jack stands, not jacks. The human factor is the real issue. Are you on a level surface? Is the jack stand on concrete and not soft dirt? Are the wheels chocked? Is the jack stand under the OEM lifting points? Do you have a buddy nearby? Etc.

    Most accidents result from human factors, not the jack stands themselves. If the jack stands were the issue, the manufacturers would have been sued out of existence already.

  167. @Colin Wright
    @Jack D

    'Wow, 70 years and they’ve only managed to kill a few hundred civilians. '

    You're missing a couple of zeroes there, buddy. 1700 in Lebanon 2006 alone.

    Moreover, Israel does have to fret about her fan club. She can't just party like she would if only she could.

    Israel always kills just as many as she can get away with. That's been true from Deir Yassin to last week.

    Plus, she's a small country. Proportionately, Sabra and Chantila was just as impressive as Babi Yar...and that was with the US looking on and being all judgmental and shit.

    The Mighty Mite! Hey: give your country credit.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Mike Tre

    Why do you waste time arguing with someone who is obviously lying?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Mike Tre

    'Why do you waste time arguing with someone who is obviously lying?'

    JackD helps me to develop various points that need developing. He's my assistant.

    It's kind of like a Platonic Dialogue. Jack attempts to defend Israel; I show how indefensible Israel is.

  168. @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    It's hard to tell what celebs really look like because everything is bleached and plastic surgeried and photoshopped, etc. but if you look for their childhood photos you can usually get a pretty good idea:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/NINTCHDBPICT000003624257.jpg?w=1005

    She looks kind of generic Mediterranean white person to me.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Anon, @Anonymous, @JR Ewing, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @anon, @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    Ora looks Creole in that picture – some significant but small admixture of Sub-Saharan linage in overwhelming majority or European ancestry. Evidently she has a full-blood sister Elena who looks a) nothing like her; and, b) entirely of European ancestry.

    Strange things happen with genes but my suspicion is that there may be some secrets in the Ora family.

  169. @Joe Stalin
    @Jack D


    The guys who steal catalytic converters get crushed a lot too because they rely on the jack not slipping – a jack stand is $12 at Wal-Mart. You can even shoplift it. You come out to your car in the morning to go to work and there’s a dead guy pinned underneath.
     
    I had an office mate who had an acquaintance meet his demise that way with his face crushed when the jack failed.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6ufAL5R0mg

    Replies: @Jack D

    Project Farm is interesting but all jack stands work if they are used properly. Jack stands, not jacks. The human factor is the real issue. Are you on a level surface? Is the jack stand on concrete and not soft dirt? Are the wheels chocked? Is the jack stand under the OEM lifting points? Do you have a buddy nearby? Etc.

    Most accidents result from human factors, not the jack stands themselves. If the jack stands were the issue, the manufacturers would have been sued out of existence already.

    • Thanks: Cato
  170. @Jack D
    @Colin Wright

    The Israelis didn't kill anyone at Sabra and Shatila. The massacre was perpetrated by the Lebanese Christian militias. (I'm not even going to get into the maf of how somehow this is "proportionately" another Babi Yar.) The Phalangists sought revenge following the Muslim assassination of Lebanese Christian President Bachir Gemayel. The Muslims and Christians in Lebanon have been feuding with each other Hatfields and McCoys style since at least the Crusades.

    This is similar to the current situation between Tyre and the black cops. Even though there were no white people there, it was white people's fault anyway. By the same f-ed up logic, Sabra and Shatila was the Israeli's fault even though not a single Israeli entered the camp because apparently Arabs, like blacks, have no agency of their own.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright

    It’s similar to how Nixon was blamed for the Pol Pot massacres, because at the time Cambodia was allied with China which in turn was allied to the U.S.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Anonymous

    Case against Nixon: stochastic psychological derangement by constant bombardment, because army research proves they knew that could happen.
    Refutation: Pol Pot was a Leninist like Mao, doing what Lenin and Mao did at the same stage in each of their rule, so who constantly bombed them?
    I forget the Sabra argument but I think it was about Israelis having overall control of the area but being cool with Arabs killing Arabs. National Lampoon had a comic at around that time where the plot was Israelis tricking Arabs into destroying their own camp.

  171. @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar


    On my only visit to a Waffle House, I had waffles. For obvious reasons.
     
    Other than the name, it's not that obvious. Waffles are certainly on the menu but they are not THE item to eat at Waffle House, they are just one item among many. I don't know what % of orders at Waffle House involves waffles but I don't think it is an overwhelming %. It wouldn't be like going to Pizza Hut and not having pizza.

    The owners chose the name Waffle House as a sort of subliminal suggestion because out of the 16 items on the original menu, they were the most profitable item. Based upon your order, it worked.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    Other than the name, it’s not that obvious. Waffles are certainly on the menu but they are not THE item to eat at Waffle House, they are just one item among many. I don’t know what % of orders at Waffle House involves waffles but I don’t think it is an overwhelming %. It wouldn’t be like going to Pizza Hut and not having pizza.

    Evidently , waffles are not quite as popular as hash browns at the Waffle House. See AJC article
    https://tinyurl.com/2k348yn8

  172. @Coemgen
    How to nuance this?

    Innocent bystander shot to death:

    1. Shooter: Kenneth Rodriguez-Santana, 23, of Robert Dyer Circle, Springfield (looks like public housing), employee of Yankee Candle at the Holyoke Mall.

    2. Victim: Trung Tran, 33, of West Springfield, AKA Michael, employee of A Touch of Beauty Hair and Nail Salon at the Holyoke Mall.

    Whilst Tran was performing a pedicure on Rodriguez-Santana, Rodriguez-Santana attempted to shoot an as yet unidentified man but killed Tran instead.

    https://www.masslive.com/news/2023/01/holyoke-mall-homicide-suspect-told-police-he-shot-at-other-man-because-it-was-him-or-me-bystander-killed.html

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Hold up. What guy gets a pedicure? I’ve never even heard of gays being into that.

  173. @Anonymous
    @Jack D

    It's similar to how Nixon was blamed for the Pol Pot massacres, because at the time Cambodia was allied with China which in turn was allied to the U.S.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Case against Nixon: stochastic psychological derangement by constant bombardment, because army research proves they knew that could happen.
    Refutation: Pol Pot was a Leninist like Mao, doing what Lenin and Mao did at the same stage in each of their rule, so who constantly bombed them?
    I forget the Sabra argument but I think it was about Israelis having overall control of the area but being cool with Arabs killing Arabs. National Lampoon had a comic at around that time where the plot was Israelis tricking Arabs into destroying their own camp.

  174. @Nicholas Stix
    @AnotherDad

    Eggs are going for $8/dzn (large, I believe) at the only supermarket around here,in Queens' Rockaways. It's the supermarket formerly known as Waldbaum's, aka Stop and Shop.

    My theory, as to the price of eggs has nothing to do with chicken farms. I believe that supermarkets and convenience stores have jacked up the price of eggs, because they don't think they can get away with jacking up all prices across the board, as much as they'd like to.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @jill, @Jack D

    Yes and no. The wholesale price of eggs (except in Cal.) is right now around $3/dozen. A normal retail markup for eggs (in the past a loss leader type item – along with milk at the far corner of the store – on your way to buy the loss leader you pass the potato chip aisle and grab a bag of chips) used to be 0 to 30%. 0% would be for the generic eggs and 30% would be for the “fancy” ones – organic, free range, blah, blah, blah. Lately, it has been more like 100% markup ($3 wholesale = $6 retail) because that is the market clearing price – the price at which you can sell all the eggs you can get. If you charge less than the market clearing price you are leaving money on the table. A supermarket is a business, not a charity.

    https://www.ams.usda.gov/mnreports/pybshellegg.pdf

    However, eggs are in truly short supply. A lot of grocers can’t get them from their usual suppliers and if they call up someone else who does have eggs to sell, that guy is going to quote him an above wholesale price because he’s not a regular customer. “I’ve been trying to sell eggs to you for years and you never bought any, and when this is over I know I am never going to see your ass again, so it’s gonna cost you.” So maybe Stop&Shop is paying $4 and is marking them up to $8 which they can get away with because they have no competition in the Rockaways.

  175. @Colin Wright
    @Corvinus

    'Do I really expect you or Jack or others to admit that I make cogent points that counter their narrative?'

    That doesn't really fly. As Jack and I are demonstrating at the moment, we couldn't disagree more about the Zionist entity -- an issue I feel very strongly about.

    ...and yet I don't think think he's an idiot. An emissary from the Dark Side of the Force, quite likely. Irritating in some respects yeah -- but the same has been said of me.

    ...but not an idiot. No...that one wouldn't be accurate.

    Your 'points' aren't defensible. Worse -- as we've all pointed out -- they're not original. We can all turn on the telly if we want to hear them -- and it's reasonable to assume that's where you got them.

    You don't even really argue. You just keep stringing together canned rejoinders ('confirmation bias', for example) until your interlocutor gets bored and wanders off.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    You’re proving my point. I do offer arguments. I do offer evidence. You simply dismiss them. That way, you don’t have to engage in critical thinking.

  176. @Jack D
    @Colin Wright

    The Israelis didn't kill anyone at Sabra and Shatila. The massacre was perpetrated by the Lebanese Christian militias. (I'm not even going to get into the maf of how somehow this is "proportionately" another Babi Yar.) The Phalangists sought revenge following the Muslim assassination of Lebanese Christian President Bachir Gemayel. The Muslims and Christians in Lebanon have been feuding with each other Hatfields and McCoys style since at least the Crusades.

    This is similar to the current situation between Tyre and the black cops. Even though there were no white people there, it was white people's fault anyway. By the same f-ed up logic, Sabra and Shatila was the Israeli's fault even though not a single Israeli entered the camp because apparently Arabs, like blacks, have no agency of their own.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright

    ‘The Israelis didn’t kill anyone at Sabra and Shatila…’

    Do you excuse the gentile Nazis those killings that were actually carried out by Trawniki men? How about the pogroms the Lithuanians et al carried out under German auspices?

    Germans bear no responsibility for those, I take it?

    You are attempting to defend the indefensible. Since I happen to feel quite strongly about this issue, you keep pitching — and I’ll keep lining them out of the park.

    • LOL: Mike Tre
  177. @Jack D
    @Joe Stalin

    Yes, exactly, this gun is called the "Kneecapper" and not the "Headshotter". Maybe they do it to avoid bad PR rather than out of humanitarianism, but for whatever reason, the Israelis make fairly elaborate efforts to avoid killing civilians (maybe the most elaborate of any military including the US) while the Palestinians ASPIRE to kill them.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘Yes, exactly, this gun is called the “Kneecapper” and not the “Headshotter”…’

    Suitable for protesters, I take it.

  178. @Mike Tre
    @Colin Wright

    Why do you waste time arguing with someone who is obviously lying?

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘Why do you waste time arguing with someone who is obviously lying?’

    JackD helps me to develop various points that need developing. He’s my assistant.

    It’s kind of like a Platonic Dialogue. Jack attempts to defend Israel; I show how indefensible Israel is.

  179. @Jack D
    @Colin Wright

    The Israelis didn't kill anyone at Sabra and Shatila. The massacre was perpetrated by the Lebanese Christian militias. (I'm not even going to get into the maf of how somehow this is "proportionately" another Babi Yar.) The Phalangists sought revenge following the Muslim assassination of Lebanese Christian President Bachir Gemayel. The Muslims and Christians in Lebanon have been feuding with each other Hatfields and McCoys style since at least the Crusades.

    This is similar to the current situation between Tyre and the black cops. Even though there were no white people there, it was white people's fault anyway. By the same f-ed up logic, Sabra and Shatila was the Israeli's fault even though not a single Israeli entered the camp because apparently Arabs, like blacks, have no agency of their own.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright

    ‘…The Muslims and Christians in Lebanon have been feuding with each other Hatfields and McCoys style since at least the Crusades…’

    That would be why we can absolve the Nazis of those killings carried out by Trawniki men, etc Ukrainians and Jews hated each other anyway, so…

    At Sabra and Chantila, the Jews first disarmed the Palestinians, then surrounded the camp. then let the Phalangists in while keeping the Palestinians from fleeing. They also illuminated the camps with flares and searchlights and kept anyone from interfering until the massacre was complete.

    I think it’s fair to say that the relationship between the Israelis and the actual Christian killers was about the same as that between the various German units that supervised the Holocaust and the Ukrainians they often used to commit the actual killings. In what way did it differ?

  180. Well, we have whimsical ‘adulting’ and woke ‘Columbusing’, I guess we can have reactionary nuancing.

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