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From NPR:

How Racism May Cause Black Mothers To Suffer The Death Of Their Infants

December 20, 20175:01 AM ET
Heard on Morning Edition
RHITU CHATTERJEE, REBECCA DAVIS

“Black babies in the United States die at just over two times the rate of white babies in the first year of their life,” says Arthur James, an OB-GYN at Wexner Medical Center at Ohio State University in Columbus. According to the most recent data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, for every 1,000 live births, 4.8 white infants die in the first year of life. For black babies, that number is 11.7.

NPR’s graph shows that the Hispanic infant mortality rate, 5.2, is well under half of the black rate too, but the article doesn’t mention the word “Hispanic,” much less “Asian.”

The majority of those black infants that die are born premature, says James, because black mothers like Pierce have a higher risk of going into early labor.

African-American women so vulnerable to losing their babies. Now, there is growing consensus that racial discrimination experienced by black mothers during their lifetime makes them less likely to carry their babies to full term.

In contrast, my guess is that the high rate of premature births and infant mortality among African-Americans is related to two problems, one that is conceivably fixable — high STD rates among black women — and one that might not be, short of genetic engineering.

It’s hard to get any data on this, but my impression is that the expected gestation length for blacks is shorter than for other races: 39 weeks vs. 40 weeks. This may be related to blacks tending to have narrower pelvises, as seen in the Olympics in their higher high end running speeds. In turn, that might tie in to Rushton’s r vs. K orientations.

 
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  1. Some people suggested that the root cause may be genetics. But if genes are at play, then women from Africa would also have the same risks. So, David and his colleague, Collins, looked at the babies of immigrant women from West Africa. But as they reported in their 1997 study in The New England Journal of Medicine, those babies were more like white babies — they were bigger and more likely to be full term. So, it clearly isn’t genetics, says David.

    Then, many years later, David and Collins noticed something startling. The grandchildren of African immigrant women were born smaller than their mothers had been at birth. In other words, the grandchildren were more likely to be premature, like African-American babies.

    This was also true of the grandchildren of black women who had emigrated from the Caribbean.

    Meanwhile, the grandchildren of white European immigrant women were bigger than their mothers when they were born. David and Collins published their results in 2002 in the American Journal of Epidemiology.

    “So, there was something about growing up black in the United States and then bearing a child that was associated with lower birth weight,” says David.

    Interesting, but I’m skeptical that racism is the causal factor here, but what would I know? But this all goes back to uh Shen’s Third Law, which I articulated earlier. Thanks to whites by and large ignoring John Derbyshire’s advice for much of the past couple of centuries in this country and brutalizing innocent black bodies, we now have to hear about how racism is the cause of everything afflicting the black community today, when in reality they’re much to blame for their own woes.

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
    I hope, for the sake of those who have to live or work with you, that you don't verbalize the same type of uh tedious disingenuous nonsense when interacting with people face-to-face as you do when posting your tedious disingenuous nonsense on this website. "Shen's Third Law"? I'll bet you uh don't say that to anyone's face on a regular basis.
    , @Return of Shawn
    Your obsession with John Derbyshire is both creepy and annoying.
    , @Anon
    "Thanks to whites by and large ignoring John Derbyshire’s"

    Can Unz install a counter below your posts that ticks up each time you mention John Derbyshire?
    , @guest
    I'm beginning to think you're a computer program designed to confuse people about the Derb.

    Which might explain your random insertion of "uh"s.
    , @Sbaker
    Please. Slave owners did not brutalize their slaves. Horse owners, mule owners, and in contemporary terms, machinery owners did not mistreat valuable assets. Fact is, they took care of them to keep them healthy, productive and happy. It was simply economic common sense then just as now.
    , @Janus
    Yan Shen,
    Please work on your trolling skills, because what you are presently doing makes me cringe in empathetic embarrassment. Even Tiny D is more talented.
  2. Africa has the highest newborn death rate (34 deaths per 1,000 live births in 2011), how does that compare to the USA?

  3. You have to give them some credit. It’s buried deep in the article, but they do hypothesize a concrete, testable mechanism, stress hormones.

    Usually all you get are vague claims of magical ether cooties from slavery centuries ago.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    Yeah cortisol is testable, sure.

    Now test in all the bad shit blacks put into their bodies, their weight, previous abortions, etc etc.

    Cortisol being present doesn't mean it's there cause whites run around transmitting it with psychic powers. Again, another case of blacks having zero agency.
    , @Olorin
    In my experience around breeding black women, the biggest dollops of stress hormones they put out involve a) figuring out who they can blame for knocking them up in order to Make Him Pay and get even with that beeyotch LaShiqueita he shackin' up with now (I understand entire television shows revolve around this theme) and b) how they're going to palm the ensuing issue off on someone else after c) securing welfare payments, goods, and services for having produced the issue.

    Many abort. Others self-abort, often messily and at great cost to taxpayers. Others abort post-birth, often up to the child's teens.

    Oh but of course none of that involves stress on the part of anybody--including the kids who survive and grow up to breed (at age 12 or 14 or whatever) and repeat these ghastly but demographically effective mistakes.

    No. It's those ghost cooties, as you say.

  4. Ask them to add abortions to those figures to see some real racism in action.

    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    It is sobering to consider the millions upon millions of absent black bodies thanks to Planned Parenthood and Roe v. Wade.

    Without PP and RvW, Donald J. Trump would not be president.
  5. @Stephen Marle II
    You have to give them some credit. It's buried deep in the article, but they do hypothesize a concrete, testable mechanism, stress hormones.

    Usually all you get are vague claims of magical ether cooties from slavery centuries ago.

    Yeah cortisol is testable, sure.

    Now test in all the bad shit blacks put into their bodies, their weight, previous abortions, etc etc.

    Cortisol being present doesn’t mean it’s there cause whites run around transmitting it with psychic powers. Again, another case of blacks having zero agency.

    • Replies: @Stephen Marle II
    @Jack Hanson

    Of course. I'm not saying I buy a story that the mere presence of more stress hormones proves anything. This kind of medical research is really complicated. In particualar, an MD shouldn't be doing it; it's a job for epidemiologists.

    But as a sort of analogy to Alinsky's Rule 4, we can formulate: Make them explain their claims in physical, scientifically testable form.

    As I said, claims like this have always gotten a pass. Blacks drop out of college because of the horrible history of oppression and slavery and Jim Crow. Well, O.K., exactly how does that work. Give me a particular black college student and run through it for me. Darrel was born. His grandmother mentioned slavery to him. He saw Roots. He blah blah blah. Specifically how does all this oppression that predates his birth cause him to flunk out of college? Someone said, "Can I touch your hair?" the day before a test, so he flunked. Specifically, how does that work?

    Once you establish the necessity of having to explain this stuff. they lose, since it becomes obviously ridiculous.
    , @Alec Leamas

    Cortisol being present doesn’t mean it’s there cause whites run around transmitting it with psychic powers. Again, another case of blacks having zero agency.
     
    I imagine it can be stressful to know that you're pregnant and not to have a solid, stable plan about how to raise the child, particularly if you're unsure whether the father will meaningfully participate or go out and impregnate others.

    Chaotic lives born of high time preference tend to be stressful.
    , @Anonymous
    Moreover, stress responses are often fairly unrelated to actual stressors. Teasing out causation is a truly complex task, and as such entirely beyond the ken of today's ideologues.
  6. I love the “growing consensus” style guide term, where one never defines specific metrics, just throws it in there to create the illusion of harmony.

    • Replies: @ChrisZ
    Is “growing consensus” a step up or down from “raises questions of...,” where if a given development causes even one malcontent to object, the reporter is free to impugn the development in its entirety, as well as the motivation behind it.

    (Both styles are of a piece, of course; connected not only by ideology but just plain laziness.)
    , @Anonymous
    "Growing consensus" is replacing "studies have shown" as the latter is seen as hackneyed, a few decades after it actually became hackneyed.
    , @Alfa158
    "Growing Consensus" means we just pulled this stuff out of our rear ends, but no decent person we know would dare to disagree with it, so we all pretend is true, and that therefore, makes it true.
    , @Henry's Cat
    One thing we can all agree on, there's a "groaning consensus". Don't these people ever take a holiday?
  7. What about black Americans living longer, being larger and smarter on average than their ancestors back in Africa? Due to racism, too?

    • Replies: @Bill
    Why not? We stole all the good ones and then corrupted them here.
  8. I suppose Ms. Chaterjee, who grew up in India, attributes the infant mortality rate in India to white racism. The racism must be at least three times as bad there, judging by the number of babies who die.

  9. Couldn’t the diet and other health habits of the mother during the pregnancy and post-birth have a lot to do with it?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Only if those factors can be blamed on HUD-sponsored redlining from the postwar era.
    , @Negrolphin Pool
    But that doesn't disprove white racism as being the causal mechanism. Black mothers who smoke crack during the third trimester, for instance, have to get rock into glass pipe somehow. Who in their right mind actually believes that blacks would be capable of the sophisticated manufacturing required to make crack pipes, disposable lighters or administer the complex logistics required to ship the drugs into the U.S.? If other races are creating the conditions in which pregnant black mothers are able to smoke crack, since these primitive wards have no agency, what could explain such circumstances other than white racism?

    At what point does gross negligence of a wildlife management problem itself become evidence of malicious intent? As the left constantly points out, blacks are innate victims, like exotic ungulates born to be ripped to shreds by big cats or like punks who clean a bull's cell in the joint, performing sexual favors on demand and being pimped out to other inmates as a b****. Victims are, by nature, weak, stupid, gullible and easily exploited. This, says the left, is the natural mode of black life.

    White men, by contrast, can never be victims because they have godlike sovereignty over themselves, and they rule over all lesser creatures with effortless and total authority. Say that any given white man could, with the mere snap of his fingers, prevent the entire population of some species of exotic ungulate from exceeding its food source, thus condemning most of the individuals to suffer the torturous end brought by slow starvation. Now if the white man chose not to snap his fingers but instead to allow the deer to procreate to their Malthusian limit, then we might speculate that he was some kind of sadist or, at a minimum, was maliciously indifferent. After all, with his planes and cargo, all he would have to do is snap his fingers and will it to stop, like magic.


    As a good, recently assimilated American immigrant, Rhitu Chaterjee should be thanked for pointing out all the horrible iniquities of America to its less recent immigrants and reminding us that blacks are victims, punks or prey items, with no more capacity for self-control than a wild dog, whose numbers and habitats must be carefully and compassionately managed by the only ones in the world with the necessary prowess and natural authority to do so - white men.

  10. @Yan Shen

    Some people suggested that the root cause may be genetics. But if genes are at play, then women from Africa would also have the same risks. So, David and his colleague, Collins, looked at the babies of immigrant women from West Africa. But as they reported in their 1997 study in The New England Journal of Medicine, those babies were more like white babies — they were bigger and more likely to be full term. So, it clearly isn't genetics, says David.

    Then, many years later, David and Collins noticed something startling. The grandchildren of African immigrant women were born smaller than their mothers had been at birth. In other words, the grandchildren were more likely to be premature, like African-American babies.

    This was also true of the grandchildren of black women who had emigrated from the Caribbean.

    Meanwhile, the grandchildren of white European immigrant women were bigger than their mothers when they were born. David and Collins published their results in 2002 in the American Journal of Epidemiology.

    "So, there was something about growing up black in the United States and then bearing a child that was associated with lower birth weight," says David.
     

    Interesting, but I'm skeptical that racism is the causal factor here, but what would I know? But this all goes back to uh Shen's Third Law, which I articulated earlier. Thanks to whites by and large ignoring John Derbyshire's advice for much of the past couple of centuries in this country and brutalizing innocent black bodies, we now have to hear about how racism is the cause of everything afflicting the black community today, when in reality they're much to blame for their own woes.

    I hope, for the sake of those who have to live or work with you, that you don’t verbalize the same type of uh tedious disingenuous nonsense when interacting with people face-to-face as you do when posting your tedious disingenuous nonsense on this website. “Shen’s Third Law”? I’ll bet you uh don’t say that to anyone’s face on a regular basis.

  11. “It’s hard to get any data on this, but my impression is that the expected gestation length for blacks is shorter than for other races: 39 weeks vs. 40 weeks.”

    It appears Rushton summarizes some of the data; see p. 147 here:

    https://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/jp-rushton-race-evolution-behavior-unabridged-1997-edition.pdf

  12. After a quick look, the scientific literature does suggest this may be a factor. Of course, you’d have to show it was physiologic (ie, Just The Way Groups Are) and not a result of adverse social stressors (ie, racism and poverty)–it’s easy to show a difference in gestational length and harder to show *why*. Hopefully one of your other commenters has a university account and can get you PDFs of the actual articles. Older journal articles may be available free.

    Am J Obstet Gynecol. 2012 Mar;206(3):259.e1-6.
    Racial differences in gestational age-specific neonatal morbidity: further evidence for different gestational lengths. Loftin R, Chen A, Evans A, DeFranco E.

    This one suggests it’s physiologic as adverse outcomes are lower at the same gestational length for black women.

    Int J Epidemiol. 2004 Feb;33(1):107-13.
    Does gestation vary by ethnic group? A London-based study of over 122,000 pregnancies with spontaneous onset of labour. Patel RR, Steer P, Doyle P, Little MP, Elliott P.

    The most recent one (published almost in the current year) appears to be a review article that gives the usual PC justifications.

    Best Pract Res Clin Obstet Gynaecol. 2016 Apr;32:60-8. Variations in gestational length and preterm delivery by race, ethnicity and migration. Sørbye IK, Wanigaratne S, Urquia ML.

    Anyone who’s a little better with PubMed than me is welcome to try. PC and overpaid as they are, most doctors still want to take care of patients, so reality means they have to let a few HBD crumbs through. Normal creatinine levels (a crude assessment of renal function done on basic blood chemistry panels) are different in blacks and whites, for example.

  13. Objective scientific research on the true causes of higher infant mortality among sub-Saharan African is verboten, there is absolutely no possibility of reliably measuring the relative explanatory power of the various factors. This is not due to any difficult in gathering data or estimating scientific models accurately, but rather to political forces which make objective scientific discussion of this topic impossible. Everything about the research problem is poisoned by modern politics. We do know that this higher infant mortality is universal around the globe, wherever sub-Saharan Africans settle and have children.

  14. @Jack Hanson
    Yeah cortisol is testable, sure.

    Now test in all the bad shit blacks put into their bodies, their weight, previous abortions, etc etc.

    Cortisol being present doesn't mean it's there cause whites run around transmitting it with psychic powers. Again, another case of blacks having zero agency.

    Of course. I’m not saying I buy a story that the mere presence of more stress hormones proves anything. This kind of medical research is really complicated. In particualar, an MD shouldn’t be doing it; it’s a job for epidemiologists.

    But as a sort of analogy to Alinsky’s Rule 4, we can formulate: Make them explain their claims in physical, scientifically testable form.

    As I said, claims like this have always gotten a pass. Blacks drop out of college because of the horrible history of oppression and slavery and Jim Crow. Well, O.K., exactly how does that work. Give me a particular black college student and run through it for me. Darrel was born. His grandmother mentioned slavery to him. He saw Roots. He blah blah blah. Specifically how does all this oppression that predates his birth cause him to flunk out of college? Someone said, “Can I touch your hair?” the day before a test, so he flunked. Specifically, how does that work?

    Once you establish the necessity of having to explain this stuff. they lose, since it becomes obviously ridiculous.

    • Replies: @kurlos
    There must be attempts by sociologists to explain how history of slavery led to the student dropping out.

    I'm not saying it's credible, but that at least one attempt has been made.

    Are you or anyone other readers aware of such explanations? If so, can you provide link to paper?


    Thanks
    , @J.Ross
    Something like this has been done before: the work-around is to locate a historical white population that is arguably close to blacks.
    Wasn't it the case that we never washed our hands and took awful care of our children, and we had worse infant mortality than we do now, then scientists noticed patterns and had public education campaigns, and infant mortality lessened?
  15. One important difference between American blacks and American whites is that American black women are far more likely to engage in substance use and abuse while pregnant than white women, which includes cigarettes.

    This might also explain some of the difference between blacks in Africa and blacks in the USA — differing availability of drugs, alcohol, and tobacco.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    One important difference between American blacks and American whites is that American black women are far more likely to engage in substance use and abuse while pregnant than white women, which includes cigarettes.
     
    Inbreeding may come into play as well, if only five youngbloods in any city are knocking up all the sistaz.

    Sistaz ain't doin' it by demselves!

  16. Surely, if the emanations flowing from white people are so damned toxic to blacks, the only true and viable remedy is for blacks to stay as far away as possible to whites.

    I wish someone could explain that to those boat-borne invaders currently plaguing Italy.

  17. NPR in an abomination that spreads liberal propaganda. It needs to be defunded.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    Please tell that to Mr Trump and the Repub Congress.
  18. @Jack Hanson
    I love the "growing consensus" style guide term, where one never defines specific metrics, just throws it in there to create the illusion of harmony.

    Is “growing consensus” a step up or down from “raises questions of…,” where if a given development causes even one malcontent to object, the reporter is free to impugn the development in its entirety, as well as the motivation behind it.

    (Both styles are of a piece, of course; connected not only by ideology but just plain laziness.)

  19. Over the last 60 years white society has spent trillions and bent the laws in a good faith effort to help black people. This has just made blacks more angry and resentful, with goading from Democrats. Now they insist we have to cede the country’s demographic future to minorities. No thanks.

  20. @Jack Hanson
    Yeah cortisol is testable, sure.

    Now test in all the bad shit blacks put into their bodies, their weight, previous abortions, etc etc.

    Cortisol being present doesn't mean it's there cause whites run around transmitting it with psychic powers. Again, another case of blacks having zero agency.

    Cortisol being present doesn’t mean it’s there cause whites run around transmitting it with psychic powers. Again, another case of blacks having zero agency.

    I imagine it can be stressful to know that you’re pregnant and not to have a solid, stable plan about how to raise the child, particularly if you’re unsure whether the father will meaningfully participate or go out and impregnate others.

    Chaotic lives born of high time preference tend to be stressful.

    • Replies: @Daniel Williams

    I imagine it can be stressful to know that you’re pregnant and not to have a solid, stable plan about how to raise the child, particularly if you’re unsure whether the father will meaningfully participate or go out and impregnate others.
     
    I don't know. If everyone you know is in a similar situation—if you don't know anyone who conceived a child in wedlock, or if it was a rarity—then why would that be especially stressful? It would be normal. And what could be less stressful than being normal?

    Besides, most of these chicks do have a stable provider to rely on: me, and millions of other taxpayers. Uncle Sam's long-term prospects are better than any man's, anyway.

    I do agree they live chaotic lives. But it's likelier chaos borne of strife between people—so-and-so's a bitch and needs to be put in her place, that kind of thing—then dread about the future.

  21. As well as the much higher prevalence of STD’s among them, black women are more likely to be obese and more likely to abuse drugs and alcohol. All are well-known risk factors for pregnancy complications and infant morbidity.

    Also, though this factor may be rather harder to quantify, most black women get pregnant by black men, who appear to provide less care and support during and after pregnancy on average and whose semen/sperm might be carrying problems ranging from viruses to epigenetic factors affecting infant survival. It would be interesting to learn what role the fathers play in the saga of infant morbidity.

    • Replies: @gunner29

    Also, though this factor may be rather harder to quantify, most black women get pregnant by black men, who appear to provide less care and support during and after pregnancy on average and whose semen/sperm might be carrying problems ranging from viruses to epigenetic factors affecting infant survival. It would be interesting to learn what role the fathers play in the saga of infant morbidity.
     
    I think this is what Hillary was sniffing around with It Takes a Village. In the tropics and sub-tropics the womyn can support a family by themselves and with other females. You can grow 2 or 3 crops a year, always something to eat in the jungle.

    As opposed to being in northern Europe or Asia. One crop, 6 months you eat what you stored in anticipation of winter. Or you followed a food animal in their migrations. BOTH parents have to bust their ass all year if they and the offspring are to survive.

    The gay mulatto noticed the same thing on a trip back to the old country; he mentioned to one of his minions that a jungle village looked like Chicago, NYC, and DC. Womyn and kids and no men.

    It's just how they've evolved over the last 250 thousand years; whites and Asians high stress, negros low stress. So plopping them into a high stress situation for the last 400 years didn't allow enough time for the genes to change.
  22. @Jack Hanson
    Yeah cortisol is testable, sure.

    Now test in all the bad shit blacks put into their bodies, their weight, previous abortions, etc etc.

    Cortisol being present doesn't mean it's there cause whites run around transmitting it with psychic powers. Again, another case of blacks having zero agency.

    Moreover, stress responses are often fairly unrelated to actual stressors. Teasing out causation is a truly complex task, and as such entirely beyond the ken of today’s ideologues.

  23. @Jack Hanson
    I love the "growing consensus" style guide term, where one never defines specific metrics, just throws it in there to create the illusion of harmony.

    “Growing consensus” is replacing “studies have shown” as the latter is seen as hackneyed, a few decades after it actually became hackneyed.

  24. @Arclight
    Couldn't the diet and other health habits of the mother during the pregnancy and post-birth have a lot to do with it?

    Only if those factors can be blamed on HUD-sponsored redlining from the postwar era.

  25. Getting punched in the stomach while brawling at Chuck E. Cheese probably doesn’t help their pregnancies, either.

  26. @Yan Shen

    Some people suggested that the root cause may be genetics. But if genes are at play, then women from Africa would also have the same risks. So, David and his colleague, Collins, looked at the babies of immigrant women from West Africa. But as they reported in their 1997 study in The New England Journal of Medicine, those babies were more like white babies — they were bigger and more likely to be full term. So, it clearly isn't genetics, says David.

    Then, many years later, David and Collins noticed something startling. The grandchildren of African immigrant women were born smaller than their mothers had been at birth. In other words, the grandchildren were more likely to be premature, like African-American babies.

    This was also true of the grandchildren of black women who had emigrated from the Caribbean.

    Meanwhile, the grandchildren of white European immigrant women were bigger than their mothers when they were born. David and Collins published their results in 2002 in the American Journal of Epidemiology.

    "So, there was something about growing up black in the United States and then bearing a child that was associated with lower birth weight," says David.
     

    Interesting, but I'm skeptical that racism is the causal factor here, but what would I know? But this all goes back to uh Shen's Third Law, which I articulated earlier. Thanks to whites by and large ignoring John Derbyshire's advice for much of the past couple of centuries in this country and brutalizing innocent black bodies, we now have to hear about how racism is the cause of everything afflicting the black community today, when in reality they're much to blame for their own woes.

    Your obsession with John Derbyshire is both creepy and annoying.

  27. Whites running out of hope: 21,350 ‘deaths of despair’ in California

    http://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/article189764044.html

    Riffing on the Cornell West vs Genious T Coates debate, trying to turn a class or maybe at this point caste, mortality rate decline into racial or other explanation just feeds into the neo liberal agenda. It is really an increase in mortality of a class of people. Veterans maybe be committing suicide at a higher rate, but they come from rural areas of the US were the suicide rate is high. Blacks and Whites of a certain class suffer from the same mortality issues. So I see nothing much to gain from separating out various pathologies based on black and white.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    those 21k deaths are from 1995-2014. That's 19 years so it's not a huge sum overall. But the increased rates in alcohol-related deaths and suicides are pretty alarming. Sounds like a spiritual problem, and that's difficult to disentangle from family problems. I'm going to chalk it up to the devastation of the traditional family over the last couple generations.
  28. @Yan Shen

    Some people suggested that the root cause may be genetics. But if genes are at play, then women from Africa would also have the same risks. So, David and his colleague, Collins, looked at the babies of immigrant women from West Africa. But as they reported in their 1997 study in The New England Journal of Medicine, those babies were more like white babies — they were bigger and more likely to be full term. So, it clearly isn't genetics, says David.

    Then, many years later, David and Collins noticed something startling. The grandchildren of African immigrant women were born smaller than their mothers had been at birth. In other words, the grandchildren were more likely to be premature, like African-American babies.

    This was also true of the grandchildren of black women who had emigrated from the Caribbean.

    Meanwhile, the grandchildren of white European immigrant women were bigger than their mothers when they were born. David and Collins published their results in 2002 in the American Journal of Epidemiology.

    "So, there was something about growing up black in the United States and then bearing a child that was associated with lower birth weight," says David.
     

    Interesting, but I'm skeptical that racism is the causal factor here, but what would I know? But this all goes back to uh Shen's Third Law, which I articulated earlier. Thanks to whites by and large ignoring John Derbyshire's advice for much of the past couple of centuries in this country and brutalizing innocent black bodies, we now have to hear about how racism is the cause of everything afflicting the black community today, when in reality they're much to blame for their own woes.

    “Thanks to whites by and large ignoring John Derbyshire’s”

    Can Unz install a counter below your posts that ticks up each time you mention John Derbyshire?

    • Replies: @Thomm

    Can Unz install a counter below your posts that ticks up each time you mention John Derbyshire?
     
    er.... you can click on Yan Shen's name and CTRL-F 'Derb' to get the number.

    Normal people can figure this out on their own. WNs, with their low IQs, need to be told.
  29. The New Scientific Method:

    1. Formulate hypothesis
    2. Conduct experiment
    3. Explain why this proves white guys are bad

  30. Glad Steve picked this up. I was listening to this on NPR, I think the series began Monday, and although they used their usual “concerned and troubled voice” you got the feeling even the NPR people didn’t really buy into what they were trying to put out.

    They used the example of some “middle-class” black woman who died soon after pregnancy. They waited until the end of the piece to mention that the woman was in her 40s, had diabetes and other health problems.

    I’m sure there were other things they didn’t mention, like her habit of smoking Newports, and, as others mentioned, the father was out of the picture.

  31. OT: American life expectancy went down for the second straight year.

  32. @Alec Leamas

    Cortisol being present doesn’t mean it’s there cause whites run around transmitting it with psychic powers. Again, another case of blacks having zero agency.
     
    I imagine it can be stressful to know that you're pregnant and not to have a solid, stable plan about how to raise the child, particularly if you're unsure whether the father will meaningfully participate or go out and impregnate others.

    Chaotic lives born of high time preference tend to be stressful.

    I imagine it can be stressful to know that you’re pregnant and not to have a solid, stable plan about how to raise the child, particularly if you’re unsure whether the father will meaningfully participate or go out and impregnate others.

    I don’t know. If everyone you know is in a similar situation—if you don’t know anyone who conceived a child in wedlock, or if it was a rarity—then why would that be especially stressful? It would be normal. And what could be less stressful than being normal?

    Besides, most of these chicks do have a stable provider to rely on: me, and millions of other taxpayers. Uncle Sam’s long-term prospects are better than any man’s, anyway.

    I do agree they live chaotic lives. But it’s likelier chaos borne of strife between people—so-and-so’s a bitch and needs to be put in her place, that kind of thing—then dread about the future.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    I don’t know. If everyone you know is in a similar situation—if you don’t know anyone who conceived a child in wedlock, or if it was a rarity—then why would that be especially stressful? It would be normal. And what could be less stressful than being normal?

    Besides, most of these chicks do have a stable provider to rely on: me, and millions of other taxpayers. Uncle Sam’s long-term prospects are better than any man’s, anyway.

    I do agree they live chaotic lives. But it’s likelier chaos borne of strife between people—so-and-so’s a bitch and needs to be put in her place, that kind of thing—then dread about the future.
     
    I see your point but I think it incomplete.

    IME, urban women and girls (not just blacks but especially blacks) surreptitiously get pregnant on purpose as a means of a marriage substitute - it's a way to make a "claim" on a man with whom they're romantically involved because marriage just isn't done anymore.

    I think that while having developed planning skills is probably correlated with worrying about the future, having poor future time orientation (preferring the now over the future) probably visits upon one what might seem like serial capricious ills and dealing with them is stressful. If you add to this people in one's circle being murdered, robbed, assaulted, and imprisoned and all that goes with that (personal strife) I think you probably get a healthy dose of cortisol.

    In other words, it's still stressful even if for you and I the vast majority of that stress seems utterly avoidable.
  33. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    The real problem is white medicine saved too many black babies, esp in Africa, which is why we have the Afro-invasion of Europe.

    Also, if these progs care about black babies, why do they support abortion?

    Interracism kills white babies. When a white woman goes with a Negro, the white-baby-that-could-have-been is effectively killed and replaced by a black baby who will grow up berating the white race.

    One of the writers if a hindu. So, how many hindus are lining up to integrate with blacks?

    • Replies: @Lurker
    Hindu, dindu, let's call the whole thing off.
  34. @Arclight
    Couldn't the diet and other health habits of the mother during the pregnancy and post-birth have a lot to do with it?

    But that doesn’t disprove white racism as being the causal mechanism. Black mothers who smoke crack during the third trimester, for instance, have to get rock into glass pipe somehow. Who in their right mind actually believes that blacks would be capable of the sophisticated manufacturing required to make crack pipes, disposable lighters or administer the complex logistics required to ship the drugs into the U.S.? If other races are creating the conditions in which pregnant black mothers are able to smoke crack, since these primitive wards have no agency, what could explain such circumstances other than white racism?

    At what point does gross negligence of a wildlife management problem itself become evidence of malicious intent? As the left constantly points out, blacks are innate victims, like exotic ungulates born to be ripped to shreds by big cats or like punks who clean a bull’s cell in the joint, performing sexual favors on demand and being pimped out to other inmates as a b****. Victims are, by nature, weak, stupid, gullible and easily exploited. This, says the left, is the natural mode of black life.

    White men, by contrast, can never be victims because they have godlike sovereignty over themselves, and they rule over all lesser creatures with effortless and total authority. Say that any given white man could, with the mere snap of his fingers, prevent the entire population of some species of exotic ungulate from exceeding its food source, thus condemning most of the individuals to suffer the torturous end brought by slow starvation. Now if the white man chose not to snap his fingers but instead to allow the deer to procreate to their Malthusian limit, then we might speculate that he was some kind of sadist or, at a minimum, was maliciously indifferent. After all, with his planes and cargo, all he would have to do is snap his fingers and will it to stop, like magic.

    As a good, recently assimilated American immigrant, Rhitu Chaterjee should be thanked for pointing out all the horrible iniquities of America to its less recent immigrants and reminding us that blacks are victims, punks or prey items, with no more capacity for self-control than a wild dog, whose numbers and habitats must be carefully and compassionately managed by the only ones in the world with the necessary prowess and natural authority to do so – white men.

  35. http://jn.nutrition.org/content/136/4/1126.full
    Perhaps low vitamin D levels for US blacks is creating the above problems with our lower sun exposure than in Africa. The reverse of the skin cancer that fair skin whites are prone to in Sand States and The South. Australia too.
    Hispanic mothers seem the most motherly and dedicated. So they do well on infant deaths, despite lower income than whites.

  36. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    There seems to be a pattern of certain institutions steadily putting out inflammatory propaganda so as to keep blacks in a constant state of anger and keeping the white population under the gun. This is a reckless and unprovable thesis yet NPR pushes it nevertheless. Hollywood takes it’s turn with the constant production of slave porn type movies. Subsidized groups like BLM are out there agitating. Is there some behind the scenes conspiracy to keep American society in a state of constant upheaval and conflict?

    • Replies: @Yak-15
    Upheaval and strife are endemic to multi-cultural societies. See India, Burma, Indonesia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Rwanda, Congo, South Africa, Brazil, Yugoslavia, Turkey, etc etc etc for more examples.
  37. US mortality rates down to pre-mandatory seat belt numbers.

    Life expectancy in US down for second year in a row as opioid crisis deepens

    Decline marks first time in half a century that longevity has declined for two years in a row – with drug overdoses ‘the key driver’, researcher says

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/21/us-life-expectancy-down-for-second-year-in-a-row-amid-opioid-crisis

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Or they could consider the flood of third-world immigration. Just kidding. Or they could consider that the flood is provoking overdoses, however indirectly. Just kidding.
  38. The chart on this webpage may offer some insight. Preterm births tend to be higher in Africa and Southern Asia than elsewhere. Malawi appears to be the champion in this regard.

    http://chartsbin.com/view/34987

  39. To spell this out, since I’m more rude and anonymous that Steve: The narrow hips = good runner = small brain hypothesis would imply that any group that excels in running/jumping/etc will necessarily be less intelligent.

    Insofar as the point of organized athletics is to allow those with natural talents to show their stuff and attract mates, it would seem that a healthy society would emphasize sports that do not depend on narrow pelvises. Swimming, rock climbing, etc. So as not to enstupidate future generations to select for a skill (jumping!) that has no use in the modern world.

  40. @Yan Shen

    Some people suggested that the root cause may be genetics. But if genes are at play, then women from Africa would also have the same risks. So, David and his colleague, Collins, looked at the babies of immigrant women from West Africa. But as they reported in their 1997 study in The New England Journal of Medicine, those babies were more like white babies — they were bigger and more likely to be full term. So, it clearly isn't genetics, says David.

    Then, many years later, David and Collins noticed something startling. The grandchildren of African immigrant women were born smaller than their mothers had been at birth. In other words, the grandchildren were more likely to be premature, like African-American babies.

    This was also true of the grandchildren of black women who had emigrated from the Caribbean.

    Meanwhile, the grandchildren of white European immigrant women were bigger than their mothers when they were born. David and Collins published their results in 2002 in the American Journal of Epidemiology.

    "So, there was something about growing up black in the United States and then bearing a child that was associated with lower birth weight," says David.
     

    Interesting, but I'm skeptical that racism is the causal factor here, but what would I know? But this all goes back to uh Shen's Third Law, which I articulated earlier. Thanks to whites by and large ignoring John Derbyshire's advice for much of the past couple of centuries in this country and brutalizing innocent black bodies, we now have to hear about how racism is the cause of everything afflicting the black community today, when in reality they're much to blame for their own woes.

    I’m beginning to think you’re a computer program designed to confuse people about the Derb.

    Which might explain your random insertion of “uh”s.

  41. It would be interesting to learn what role the fathers play in the saga of infant morbidity.

    Boyfriends too, especially new boyfriends who aren’t the child’s father; the study was about mortality in the first year of life.

    This video (at 1:19) explains what it’s all about:

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    The natural predator of a black child is the mother's boyfriend.
  42. @International Jew

    It would be interesting to learn what role the fathers play in the saga of infant morbidity.
     
    Boyfriends too, especially new boyfriends who aren't the child's father; the study was about mortality in the first year of life.

    This video (at 1:19) explains what it's all about:
    https://youtu.be/nraZzGD8BmM

    The natural predator of a black child is the mother’s boyfriend.

  43. @Yan Shen

    Some people suggested that the root cause may be genetics. But if genes are at play, then women from Africa would also have the same risks. So, David and his colleague, Collins, looked at the babies of immigrant women from West Africa. But as they reported in their 1997 study in The New England Journal of Medicine, those babies were more like white babies — they were bigger and more likely to be full term. So, it clearly isn't genetics, says David.

    Then, many years later, David and Collins noticed something startling. The grandchildren of African immigrant women were born smaller than their mothers had been at birth. In other words, the grandchildren were more likely to be premature, like African-American babies.

    This was also true of the grandchildren of black women who had emigrated from the Caribbean.

    Meanwhile, the grandchildren of white European immigrant women were bigger than their mothers when they were born. David and Collins published their results in 2002 in the American Journal of Epidemiology.

    "So, there was something about growing up black in the United States and then bearing a child that was associated with lower birth weight," says David.
     

    Interesting, but I'm skeptical that racism is the causal factor here, but what would I know? But this all goes back to uh Shen's Third Law, which I articulated earlier. Thanks to whites by and large ignoring John Derbyshire's advice for much of the past couple of centuries in this country and brutalizing innocent black bodies, we now have to hear about how racism is the cause of everything afflicting the black community today, when in reality they're much to blame for their own woes.

    Please. Slave owners did not brutalize their slaves. Horse owners, mule owners, and in contemporary terms, machinery owners did not mistreat valuable assets. Fact is, they took care of them to keep them healthy, productive and happy. It was simply economic common sense then just as now.

  44. @Veracitor
    As well as the much higher prevalence of STD's among them, black women are more likely to be obese and more likely to abuse drugs and alcohol. All are well-known risk factors for pregnancy complications and infant morbidity.

    Also, though this factor may be rather harder to quantify, most black women get pregnant by black men, who appear to provide less care and support during and after pregnancy on average and whose semen/sperm might be carrying problems ranging from viruses to epigenetic factors affecting infant survival. It would be interesting to learn what role the fathers play in the saga of infant morbidity.

    Also, though this factor may be rather harder to quantify, most black women get pregnant by black men, who appear to provide less care and support during and after pregnancy on average and whose semen/sperm might be carrying problems ranging from viruses to epigenetic factors affecting infant survival. It would be interesting to learn what role the fathers play in the saga of infant morbidity.

    I think this is what Hillary was sniffing around with It Takes a Village. In the tropics and sub-tropics the womyn can support a family by themselves and with other females. You can grow 2 or 3 crops a year, always something to eat in the jungle.

    As opposed to being in northern Europe or Asia. One crop, 6 months you eat what you stored in anticipation of winter. Or you followed a food animal in their migrations. BOTH parents have to bust their ass all year if they and the offspring are to survive.

    The gay mulatto noticed the same thing on a trip back to the old country; he mentioned to one of his minions that a jungle village looked like Chicago, NYC, and DC. Womyn and kids and no men.

    It’s just how they’ve evolved over the last 250 thousand years; whites and Asians high stress, negros low stress. So plopping them into a high stress situation for the last 400 years didn’t allow enough time for the genes to change.

  45. Anonymous [AKA "BasedDeplorable"] says:

    You could probably cut the black numbers down if you controlled for obesity, smoking, drinking, uncertain paternity, drug use, criminal history, STIs, etc. – control for every dysfunctional feature of ‘black culture’ that the shitlibs bleed rhetorical capital by trying to pin on YT.

  46. Hypertension, obesity, smoking, diabetes, lack of antenatal care, poor nutrition, drug use, alcohol use, and poor maternal health are probably the main factors contributing to premature births in black women, however some or all of these may be related to high stress levels.

    Now whether the high stress levels are caused by racial discrimination is entirely another matter. A huge number of white women in the US take antianxiety and antidepression medication, so the picture is far from clear, as about 20% of adult women are taking some kind of psychiatric medication.

  47. @Jack Hanson
    I love the "growing consensus" style guide term, where one never defines specific metrics, just throws it in there to create the illusion of harmony.

    “Growing Consensus” means we just pulled this stuff out of our rear ends, but no decent person we know would dare to disagree with it, so we all pretend is true, and that therefore, makes it true.

    • Agree: Bill, Peter Johnson
  48. Per the article…”racial discrimination experienced over their lifetime…”, how does the term “lifetime” play out when the mother is in her early teens, maybe preteen?

    • Replies: @Bill
    Her mother's and grandmother's lifetimes, via the magic of epigenetics.
  49. The white racism known as Planned Parenthood?

  50. What about ‘lifestyle choices,’ like drug addiction…?

  51. A study comparing : Cigarette use , drug use ,alcohol use and of course MARIJUANA use amongst pregnant Black , White , Hispanic and Asian women is definitely in order.

  52. Diet, alcohol, smoking, drugs, STDs……………..nah, racism has to be the cause.

  53. @theo the kraut
    What about black Americans living longer, being larger and smarter on average than their ancestors back in Africa? Due to racism, too?

    Why not? We stole all the good ones and then corrupted them here.

  54. @Buffalo Joe
    Per the article..."racial discrimination experienced over their lifetime...", how does the term "lifetime" play out when the mother is in her early teens, maybe preteen?

    Her mother’s and grandmother’s lifetimes, via the magic of epigenetics.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Bill, bingo, thank you!
  55. Black adolescents 15-19 have higher birthweight babies than black women 25-29.

    Results of multivariate analyses show a U-shaped relationship between maternal age and low birth weight among whites, with the youngest (younger than 15) and oldest (aged 40 and older) mothers being at higher risk than 25-29-year-olds; older teenagers were not at any significantly increased risk. Among blacks, however, 15-19-year-olds faced significantly lower risks of delivering low-birth-weight babies than did black women aged 25-29. Both black and white mothers in their 30s were significantly more likely to deliver a low-birth-weight baby than women aged 25-29 of the same race.

    (Family Planning Perspectives, 29:268-272 & 295, 1997)

    Hypotheses include worse maternal health (obesity, hypertension) for the older women, and less family support as their mothers and grandmothers struggle with their own health issues at a more advanced age.

    OTOH,

    Maternal obesity was a significantly better predictor of cesarean section among European Americans versus African Americans (p = 0.03) and BMI was associated with infant birth weight among European Americans (p < 0.01), but not African Americans (p = 0.94). Effects remained after controlling for gestational age at delivery, gestational diabetes, and gestational weight gain as appropriate.

    J Womens Health (Larchmt). 2016 Dec;25(12):1210-1218. Epub 2016 Aug 3.

    It would be worth looking at birth outcomes in relatively prosperous, black majority, former slave nations like Bermuda and Barbados. Better medical care and less poverty than Africa, less racial tension than the US.

    Black women in the US have significantly higher rates of gestational diabetes, gestational hypertension and preeclampsia, and previous induced abortion than white women.

    Women with a history of induced abortion were at higher risk of very preterm delivery than those with no such history (OR + 1.5, 95% CI 1.1-2.0); the risk was even higher for extremely preterm deliveries (< 28 weeks). The association between previous induced abortion and very preterm delivery varied according to the main complications leading to very preterm delivery. A history of induced abortion was associated with an increased risk of premature rupture of the membranes, antepartum haemorrhage (not in association with hypertension) and idiopathic spontaneous preterm labour that occur at very small gestational ages (< 28 weeks). Conversely, no association was found between induced abortion and very preterm delivery due to hypertension.

    Previous induced abortions and the risk of very preterm delivery: results of the EPIPAGE study.
    (France) BJOG. 2005 Apr;112(4):430-7.

    It is worth noting that married black women with good incomes and good neighborhoods still have worse birth outcomes than similar white women. Do sociological researchers make any differentiation between the violent and chaotic environment of the black underclass, and perceived acts of racism directed against them by outsiders?

  56. @Daniel Williams

    I imagine it can be stressful to know that you’re pregnant and not to have a solid, stable plan about how to raise the child, particularly if you’re unsure whether the father will meaningfully participate or go out and impregnate others.
     
    I don't know. If everyone you know is in a similar situation—if you don't know anyone who conceived a child in wedlock, or if it was a rarity—then why would that be especially stressful? It would be normal. And what could be less stressful than being normal?

    Besides, most of these chicks do have a stable provider to rely on: me, and millions of other taxpayers. Uncle Sam's long-term prospects are better than any man's, anyway.

    I do agree they live chaotic lives. But it's likelier chaos borne of strife between people—so-and-so's a bitch and needs to be put in her place, that kind of thing—then dread about the future.

    I don’t know. If everyone you know is in a similar situation—if you don’t know anyone who conceived a child in wedlock, or if it was a rarity—then why would that be especially stressful? It would be normal. And what could be less stressful than being normal?

    Besides, most of these chicks do have a stable provider to rely on: me, and millions of other taxpayers. Uncle Sam’s long-term prospects are better than any man’s, anyway.

    I do agree they live chaotic lives. But it’s likelier chaos borne of strife between people—so-and-so’s a bitch and needs to be put in her place, that kind of thing—then dread about the future.

    I see your point but I think it incomplete.

    IME, urban women and girls (not just blacks but especially blacks) surreptitiously get pregnant on purpose as a means of a marriage substitute – it’s a way to make a “claim” on a man with whom they’re romantically involved because marriage just isn’t done anymore.

    I think that while having developed planning skills is probably correlated with worrying about the future, having poor future time orientation (preferring the now over the future) probably visits upon one what might seem like serial capricious ills and dealing with them is stressful. If you add to this people in one’s circle being murdered, robbed, assaulted, and imprisoned and all that goes with that (personal strife) I think you probably get a healthy dose of cortisol.

    In other words, it’s still stressful even if for you and I the vast majority of that stress seems utterly avoidable.

  57. @george
    Whites running out of hope: 21,350 ‘deaths of despair’ in California

    http://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/article189764044.html

    Riffing on the Cornell West vs Genious T Coates debate, trying to turn a class or maybe at this point caste, mortality rate decline into racial or other explanation just feeds into the neo liberal agenda. It is really an increase in mortality of a class of people. Veterans maybe be committing suicide at a higher rate, but they come from rural areas of the US were the suicide rate is high. Blacks and Whites of a certain class suffer from the same mortality issues. So I see nothing much to gain from separating out various pathologies based on black and white.

    those 21k deaths are from 1995-2014. That’s 19 years so it’s not a huge sum overall. But the increased rates in alcohol-related deaths and suicides are pretty alarming. Sounds like a spiritual problem, and that’s difficult to disentangle from family problems. I’m going to chalk it up to the devastation of the traditional family over the last couple generations.

  58. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Wild Africa is a nutrient-rich environment. In the US, being pregnant on a diet of Cheetos and Skittles is terrible for your baby. US Blacks also have extremely low Vitamin D levels in comparison to African blacks, and that’s hard on a baby. Black women wear a lot of clothing in winter, they stay inside to watch TV a lot, and many don’t go walking around the streets in ghettos because quite often that’s dangerous even for them. Many can’t digest cow’s milk properly because of lactase deficiency, and milk drinking is the other main route we have in this country to supplement with Vitamin D if you’re not getting enough sun.

    When you’re growing a fetus, it all boils down to nutrition, nothing more and nothing less. Whites come from an ancestral environment in which periodic starvation occurred, and in which food and nutrient deprivation every winter was normal. Whites are better adapted to low-nutrient environments than blacks are.

  59. @Yan Shen

    Some people suggested that the root cause may be genetics. But if genes are at play, then women from Africa would also have the same risks. So, David and his colleague, Collins, looked at the babies of immigrant women from West Africa. But as they reported in their 1997 study in The New England Journal of Medicine, those babies were more like white babies — they were bigger and more likely to be full term. So, it clearly isn't genetics, says David.

    Then, many years later, David and Collins noticed something startling. The grandchildren of African immigrant women were born smaller than their mothers had been at birth. In other words, the grandchildren were more likely to be premature, like African-American babies.

    This was also true of the grandchildren of black women who had emigrated from the Caribbean.

    Meanwhile, the grandchildren of white European immigrant women were bigger than their mothers when they were born. David and Collins published their results in 2002 in the American Journal of Epidemiology.

    "So, there was something about growing up black in the United States and then bearing a child that was associated with lower birth weight," says David.
     

    Interesting, but I'm skeptical that racism is the causal factor here, but what would I know? But this all goes back to uh Shen's Third Law, which I articulated earlier. Thanks to whites by and large ignoring John Derbyshire's advice for much of the past couple of centuries in this country and brutalizing innocent black bodies, we now have to hear about how racism is the cause of everything afflicting the black community today, when in reality they're much to blame for their own woes.

    Yan Shen,
    Please work on your trolling skills, because what you are presently doing makes me cringe in empathetic embarrassment. Even Tiny D is more talented.

  60. @Stephen Marle II
    @Jack Hanson

    Of course. I'm not saying I buy a story that the mere presence of more stress hormones proves anything. This kind of medical research is really complicated. In particualar, an MD shouldn't be doing it; it's a job for epidemiologists.

    But as a sort of analogy to Alinsky's Rule 4, we can formulate: Make them explain their claims in physical, scientifically testable form.

    As I said, claims like this have always gotten a pass. Blacks drop out of college because of the horrible history of oppression and slavery and Jim Crow. Well, O.K., exactly how does that work. Give me a particular black college student and run through it for me. Darrel was born. His grandmother mentioned slavery to him. He saw Roots. He blah blah blah. Specifically how does all this oppression that predates his birth cause him to flunk out of college? Someone said, "Can I touch your hair?" the day before a test, so he flunked. Specifically, how does that work?

    Once you establish the necessity of having to explain this stuff. they lose, since it becomes obviously ridiculous.

    There must be attempts by sociologists to explain how history of slavery led to the student dropping out.

    I’m not saying it’s credible, but that at least one attempt has been made.

    Are you or anyone other readers aware of such explanations? If so, can you provide link to paper?

    Thanks

  61. This is related, but it’s also kind of b.s. If you offer to give money to a sales person, and then keep chatting with them, they will generally agree with what you say because people generally don’t argue with those who are giving them money.

  62. @Stephen Marle II
    @Jack Hanson

    Of course. I'm not saying I buy a story that the mere presence of more stress hormones proves anything. This kind of medical research is really complicated. In particualar, an MD shouldn't be doing it; it's a job for epidemiologists.

    But as a sort of analogy to Alinsky's Rule 4, we can formulate: Make them explain their claims in physical, scientifically testable form.

    As I said, claims like this have always gotten a pass. Blacks drop out of college because of the horrible history of oppression and slavery and Jim Crow. Well, O.K., exactly how does that work. Give me a particular black college student and run through it for me. Darrel was born. His grandmother mentioned slavery to him. He saw Roots. He blah blah blah. Specifically how does all this oppression that predates his birth cause him to flunk out of college? Someone said, "Can I touch your hair?" the day before a test, so he flunked. Specifically, how does that work?

    Once you establish the necessity of having to explain this stuff. they lose, since it becomes obviously ridiculous.

    Something like this has been done before: the work-around is to locate a historical white population that is arguably close to blacks.
    Wasn’t it the case that we never washed our hands and took awful care of our children, and we had worse infant mortality than we do now, then scientists noticed patterns and had public education campaigns, and infant mortality lessened?

  63. I’ve run into the claim that blacks have a shorter gestation period — and also that black children develop more quickly — any number of times over the years. In fact I once opened a book on raising black children, written by a black woman, and the first thing I saw was a warning that blacks should not think their children are geniuses if they are ahead of the benchmarks for their ages, because black children develop faster than white children, so white benchmarks are misleading.

    However I have become more and more skeptical in my cranky old age, and this factoid seems just a little too convenient for people with my attitude towards race. It would be really interesting to find out from an unimpeachable source (i.e., a source respected by all sides) whether it was true or not.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    You’re not likely to find a “source respected by all sides” because the Left refuses to accept that anything that is inconsistent with their dogma isn’t hate speech. If you're unwilling to look at any source that NPR doesn’t accept, you’ll never find the answer. If you are willing to do so, start with Rushton.
  64. @Yak-15
    NPR in an abomination that spreads liberal propaganda. It needs to be defunded.

    Please tell that to Mr Trump and the Repub Congress.

  65. @Jack Hanson
    I love the "growing consensus" style guide term, where one never defines specific metrics, just throws it in there to create the illusion of harmony.

    One thing we can all agree on, there’s a “groaning consensus”. Don’t these people ever take a holiday?

  66. @jb
    I've run into the claim that blacks have a shorter gestation period -- and also that black children develop more quickly -- any number of times over the years. In fact I once opened a book on raising black children, written by a black woman, and the first thing I saw was a warning that blacks should not think their children are geniuses if they are ahead of the benchmarks for their ages, because black children develop faster than white children, so white benchmarks are misleading.

    However I have become more and more skeptical in my cranky old age, and this factoid seems just a little too convenient for people with my attitude towards race. It would be really interesting to find out from an unimpeachable source (i.e., a source respected by all sides) whether it was true or not.

    You’re not likely to find a “source respected by all sides” because the Left refuses to accept that anything that is inconsistent with their dogma isn’t hate speech. If you’re unwilling to look at any source that NPR doesn’t accept, you’ll never find the answer. If you are willing to do so, start with Rushton.

    • Replies: @jb
    There are plenty of sources "respected by all sides." The American Medical Association would probably count as one, and I am sure there are plenty of other research institutes that would qualify. The Left (or the Right) might reject a specific finding, if it happened to come to their attention, but that's different from rejecting the source itself as compromised.

    Ideally what I'd like would be for the information about the accelerated development of black children to be buried unnoticed in a highly respected textbook on child development, and backed by multiple studies. Even better might be an online article like this wonderful article in Vox, in which respected left-liberal researchers endorse pretty much everything I believe about race and IQ, except for the part about the gap being genetic. I respect Rushton, but he is solidly on my side of the debate, and possibly biased. For that reason I can't really use him in an argument with race deniers, the way I can use the "unimpeachable" authors of the Vox article. What I'd like would be to see information about the developmental rates of black children coming from a source that leftists would find similarly unimpeachable.

  67. the black population in the United states has grown 100% since 1965…from 20 million to 40 million, while the white population has grown just 25%.

    http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/09/28/modern-immigration-wave-brings-59-million-to-u-s-driving-population-growth-and-change-through-2065/ph_2015-09-28_immigration-through-2065-a2-05/

    amazing the Black population has thrived despite all the racism in America. Among Millennials Blacks are already 16% of the Millennial generation. Blacks were just 11% of the Boomer Generation.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Blacks account for 13%-15% of the post-1981 birth cohorts per the 2016 American Community Survey, averaging 14.2% of the whole. They account for 10.5% of the 1942-61 birth cohorts, but that's in part due to lower life expectancy. The tfr for blacks is 2.1.
  68. @Stephen Marle II
    You have to give them some credit. It's buried deep in the article, but they do hypothesize a concrete, testable mechanism, stress hormones.

    Usually all you get are vague claims of magical ether cooties from slavery centuries ago.

    In my experience around breeding black women, the biggest dollops of stress hormones they put out involve a) figuring out who they can blame for knocking them up in order to Make Him Pay and get even with that beeyotch LaShiqueita he shackin’ up with now (I understand entire television shows revolve around this theme) and b) how they’re going to palm the ensuing issue off on someone else after c) securing welfare payments, goods, and services for having produced the issue.

    Many abort. Others self-abort, often messily and at great cost to taxpayers. Others abort post-birth, often up to the child’s teens.

    Oh but of course none of that involves stress on the part of anybody–including the kids who survive and grow up to breed (at age 12 or 14 or whatever) and repeat these ghastly but demographically effective mistakes.

    No. It’s those ghost cooties, as you say.

  69. @Anon
    "Thanks to whites by and large ignoring John Derbyshire’s"

    Can Unz install a counter below your posts that ticks up each time you mention John Derbyshire?

    Can Unz install a counter below your posts that ticks up each time you mention John Derbyshire?

    er…. you can click on Yan Shen’s name and CTRL-F ‘Derb’ to get the number.

    Normal people can figure this out on their own. WNs, with their low IQs, need to be told.

    • LOL: Yan Shen
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Methinks you missed that "whooshing" sound just now.
  70. @Bill
    Her mother's and grandmother's lifetimes, via the magic of epigenetics.

    Bill, bingo, thank you!

  71. Studies show that the percentage of single parenthood among black women is about 73%. However, I am inclined to believe that in big city ghettos the number approaches 100%. Sorry no data but casual observation. This would lead, again my opinion, to a lot of inbreeding and that can’t be good for infants.

  72. Meanwhile, the grandchildren of white European immigrant women were bigger than their mothers when they were born.

    Wow, that must have been very painful for the mothers!

  73. @sabril
    One important difference between American blacks and American whites is that American black women are far more likely to engage in substance use and abuse while pregnant than white women, which includes cigarettes.

    This might also explain some of the difference between blacks in Africa and blacks in the USA -- differing availability of drugs, alcohol, and tobacco.

    One important difference between American blacks and American whites is that American black women are far more likely to engage in substance use and abuse while pregnant than white women, which includes cigarettes.

    Inbreeding may come into play as well, if only five youngbloods in any city are knocking up all the sistaz.

    Sistaz ain’t doin’ it by demselves!

  74. @anonymous
    There seems to be a pattern of certain institutions steadily putting out inflammatory propaganda so as to keep blacks in a constant state of anger and keeping the white population under the gun. This is a reckless and unprovable thesis yet NPR pushes it nevertheless. Hollywood takes it's turn with the constant production of slave porn type movies. Subsidized groups like BLM are out there agitating. Is there some behind the scenes conspiracy to keep American society in a state of constant upheaval and conflict?

    Upheaval and strife are endemic to multi-cultural societies. See India, Burma, Indonesia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Rwanda, Congo, South Africa, Brazil, Yugoslavia, Turkey, etc etc etc for more examples.

  75. Why don’t they do an apples-to-apples comparison of the infant mortality rate of Africans in America vs. the rate among Africans in Africa. I think the conclusion could only be that whites are actually saving black babies.

  76. Black women have a much higher chance of going into labor very early (several weeks early), which doctors should know and be ready to give them terbutaline to stop them when they do, to stop the contractions. Not sure you need genetic engineering in the short term.

    This is one of the examples of how “race isn’t real” is quite harmful. If doctors think that they’re not supposed to notice their black patients getting contractions earlier than their white patients, they probably won’t, with bad consequences for them.

  77. Linda Gottfredson documented (not uniquely) that there was a strong correlation between intelligence (IQ) and health/longevity, probably in part because smarter people are better able to care for themselves, avoid hazards, follow medical advice, etc.

    Since American black women average about 1SD fewer IQ points than white women, perhaps they are less able to monitor and promote their own health and the health of their infants. If they make more mistakes of judgement or plan less effectively for safety, that could easily translate to higher infant morbidity. Such a mechanism would have little to do with any supposed racism in the social milieu of less-bright mothers.

  78. @MBlanc46
    You’re not likely to find a “source respected by all sides” because the Left refuses to accept that anything that is inconsistent with their dogma isn’t hate speech. If you're unwilling to look at any source that NPR doesn’t accept, you’ll never find the answer. If you are willing to do so, start with Rushton.

    There are plenty of sources “respected by all sides.” The American Medical Association would probably count as one, and I am sure there are plenty of other research institutes that would qualify. The Left (or the Right) might reject a specific finding, if it happened to come to their attention, but that’s different from rejecting the source itself as compromised.

    Ideally what I’d like would be for the information about the accelerated development of black children to be buried unnoticed in a highly respected textbook on child development, and backed by multiple studies. Even better might be an online article like this wonderful article in Vox, in which respected left-liberal researchers endorse pretty much everything I believe about race and IQ, except for the part about the gap being genetic. I respect Rushton, but he is solidly on my side of the debate, and possibly biased. For that reason I can’t really use him in an argument with race deniers, the way I can use the “unimpeachable” authors of the Vox article. What I’d like would be to see information about the developmental rates of black children coming from a source that leftists would find similarly unimpeachable.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    There's no such thing as arguing -- or communication -- with Them, until they are blasted out of the cave by a red pill. They have a programmed-in filter that will neutralize whatever argument or data you bring them from any source. If they object to Rushton because of the conclusions he quite rightly derived from his research, and they cannot name anything in particular they object to about that research, then the only thing you should attempt on them is World Star.
    , @3g4me
    @78 jb: "What I’d like would be to see information about the developmental rates of black children coming from a source that leftists would find similarly unimpeachable."

    I find the visual impact of the notable differences among newborns of various races to be quite striking, but I'm not a leftist and could not even conjecture how they'd respond. I first saw the film at HBD chick - racial differences in newborn behavior
    , @MBlanc46
    I’m skeptical tgat the AMA would sanction that research.
  79. How many Whites never have children because they’re raped, terrorized, or murdered by black bodies?

  80. @The Alarmist
    Ask them to add abortions to those figures to see some real racism in action.

    It is sobering to consider the millions upon millions of absent black bodies thanks to Planned Parenthood and Roe v. Wade.

    Without PP and RvW, Donald J. Trump would not be president.

  81. my guess is that the high rate of premature births and infant mortality among African-Americans is related to two problems, one that is conceivably fixable — high STD rates among black women — and one that might not be, short of genetic engineering.

    I’m guessing that 14 and 15 year old motherhood can’t help, either. Of course, NPR chose a black woman who doesn’t fit the profile for today’s black mother – she’s married, and employed in a promising career. She was also expecting twins, which is risky for any race. Our twins were born 10 weeks early and weighed in at about 3 pounds each. I certainly do feel for this woman, deeply, because I don’t think we were too far from her outcome at times. I’m angry that NPR would conflate her twins pregnancy risk with other pregnancy risks as a means to exploit her tragedy to make a social commentary.

    As far as broader observations about black pregnancy go, I would also say that “post-natal care” may be a good indicator of the type of pre-natal care that unborn kids receive. Until liberals are willing to acknowledge the extent of self-destructive behavior that exists among poor blacks and their culture, everything in the world will be a function of “racism.”

  82. @Anon
    The real problem is white medicine saved too many black babies, esp in Africa, which is why we have the Afro-invasion of Europe.

    Also, if these progs care about black babies, why do they support abortion?

    Interracism kills white babies. When a white woman goes with a Negro, the white-baby-that-could-have-been is effectively killed and replaced by a black baby who will grow up berating the white race.

    One of the writers if a hindu. So, how many hindus are lining up to integrate with blacks?

    Hindu, dindu, let’s call the whole thing off.

  83. @jb
    There are plenty of sources "respected by all sides." The American Medical Association would probably count as one, and I am sure there are plenty of other research institutes that would qualify. The Left (or the Right) might reject a specific finding, if it happened to come to their attention, but that's different from rejecting the source itself as compromised.

    Ideally what I'd like would be for the information about the accelerated development of black children to be buried unnoticed in a highly respected textbook on child development, and backed by multiple studies. Even better might be an online article like this wonderful article in Vox, in which respected left-liberal researchers endorse pretty much everything I believe about race and IQ, except for the part about the gap being genetic. I respect Rushton, but he is solidly on my side of the debate, and possibly biased. For that reason I can't really use him in an argument with race deniers, the way I can use the "unimpeachable" authors of the Vox article. What I'd like would be to see information about the developmental rates of black children coming from a source that leftists would find similarly unimpeachable.

    There’s no such thing as arguing — or communication — with Them, until they are blasted out of the cave by a red pill. They have a programmed-in filter that will neutralize whatever argument or data you bring them from any source. If they object to Rushton because of the conclusions he quite rightly derived from his research, and they cannot name anything in particular they object to about that research, then the only thing you should attempt on them is World Star.

  84. An enormous, gold-standard study by the National Institute of Neurological Disease and Stroke clearly showed that perinatal infections are the primary cause of preterm births and other perinatal illnesses.

    “Acute chorioamnionitis is the largest contributor to the poor pregnancy outcomes of black women and women who have low socioeconomic status,” and it is “the most common cause of preterm labor wherever it has been studied” (RL Naeye. Acute chorioamnionitis and the disorders that produce placental insufficiency. In: Monographs in Pathology No. 33, Pathology of Reproductive Failure. FT Krause et al., eds.Williams and Wilkins, 1991, Ch 10, pp 286-307).

    The NINDS study used placental pathological examinations of about 45,000 subjects. Pathological examination of the placenta is necessary to determine the presence of chorioamnionitis in epidemiological studies, because there is sufficient clinical evidence to diagnose the infection in only about 10% of affected pregnancies. Even in cases that turned out to be fatal, there was sufficient clinical evidence for a diagnosis in only one fourth of them. (RL Naeye. Editorial. The investigation of perinatal deaths. NEJM 1983;309(10):611-612.)

    In contrast, charlatans use lifestyle questionnaires, which exploit the fact that poorer people are more likely to have been exposed to those infections, in order to falsely blame smoking, drinking, drugs, diet, etc. Those kind of studies are rigged to serve social engineering agendas, rather than identify actual causes.

  85. I’m a racist a-hole as much as the next guy, but when I put on normie glasses, that’s really frikkin’ rude.

    > there is growing consensus that racial discrimination experienced by black mothers during their lifetime makes them less likely to carry their babies to full term.

    > What is different about growing up black in America is discrimination, says David. “It’s hard to find any aspect of life that’s not impacted by racial discrimination,” he says. “Whether you’re talking about applying for a job, or purchasing a new car, finding housing, getting education … even given equal education, earning the same amount of money, that doesn’t happen. If you’re black, you tend to get less pay.”

    Well those things are stressors, but maybe it’s just one more aspect of the black inability to cope with an industrialized environment.

    It could still be any number of other things. The American diet may not agree with pregnant black women, eg.

    Jumping to white racism as a first explanation is just uncouth. That’s something they should tip-toe up to after everything else has been exhausted. Those people forget themselves and have stepped outside of polite society.

  86. This study examines ethnic disparities in infant mortality:

    Multiethnic Variations in the Pregnancy Outcomes of Military Dependents

    “In an attempt to reduce ethnic dissimilarities in parental employment and access to health care, this investigation compared the single-live-birth outcomes of adult married women who resided in the state of Hawaii and who indicated that their spouse was on active duty status in the US military.”

    “White infants had the lowest rates and Black infants had the highest rates of neonatal, postneonatal, and infant mortality.

    After controlling for available socio-economic characteristics, the risk of low birth weight for infants of Black mothers was almost twice that for infants of White mothers… .”

  87. @Thomm

    Can Unz install a counter below your posts that ticks up each time you mention John Derbyshire?
     
    er.... you can click on Yan Shen's name and CTRL-F 'Derb' to get the number.

    Normal people can figure this out on their own. WNs, with their low IQs, need to be told.

    Methinks you missed that “whooshing” sound just now.

  88. @George
    US mortality rates down to pre-mandatory seat belt numbers.

    Life expectancy in US down for second year in a row as opioid crisis deepens

    Decline marks first time in half a century that longevity has declined for two years in a row – with drug overdoses ‘the key driver’, researcher says

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/21/us-life-expectancy-down-for-second-year-in-a-row-amid-opioid-crisis

    Or they could consider the flood of third-world immigration. Just kidding. Or they could consider that the flood is provoking overdoses, however indirectly. Just kidding.

  89. @Travis
    the black population in the United states has grown 100% since 1965...from 20 million to 40 million, while the white population has grown just 25%.

    http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/09/28/modern-immigration-wave-brings-59-million-to-u-s-driving-population-growth-and-change-through-2065/ph_2015-09-28_immigration-through-2065-a2-05/

    amazing the Black population has thrived despite all the racism in America. Among Millennials Blacks are already 16% of the Millennial generation. Blacks were just 11% of the Boomer Generation.

    Blacks account for 13%-15% of the post-1981 birth cohorts per the 2016 American Community Survey, averaging 14.2% of the whole. They account for 10.5% of the 1942-61 birth cohorts, but that’s in part due to lower life expectancy. The tfr for blacks is 2.1.

  90. @jb
    There are plenty of sources "respected by all sides." The American Medical Association would probably count as one, and I am sure there are plenty of other research institutes that would qualify. The Left (or the Right) might reject a specific finding, if it happened to come to their attention, but that's different from rejecting the source itself as compromised.

    Ideally what I'd like would be for the information about the accelerated development of black children to be buried unnoticed in a highly respected textbook on child development, and backed by multiple studies. Even better might be an online article like this wonderful article in Vox, in which respected left-liberal researchers endorse pretty much everything I believe about race and IQ, except for the part about the gap being genetic. I respect Rushton, but he is solidly on my side of the debate, and possibly biased. For that reason I can't really use him in an argument with race deniers, the way I can use the "unimpeachable" authors of the Vox article. What I'd like would be to see information about the developmental rates of black children coming from a source that leftists would find similarly unimpeachable.

    @78 jb: “What I’d like would be to see information about the developmental rates of black children coming from a source that leftists would find similarly unimpeachable.”

    I find the visual impact of the notable differences among newborns of various races to be quite striking, but I’m not a leftist and could not even conjecture how they’d respond. I first saw the film at HBD chick – racial differences in newborn behavior

  91. There is no element of modern medicine that originates with black Africans or a black majority country, not a single one. In view of this, why not reject the assumption built into black criticism, that Africans anywhere are entitled to contemporary, Western healthcare in the first place, since they are the authors of exactly none of it? Let’s try this on for a change: the collective black “body” has two hands, one is open for a handout and the other is balled into a fist, so just push the body away.

  92. @jb
    There are plenty of sources "respected by all sides." The American Medical Association would probably count as one, and I am sure there are plenty of other research institutes that would qualify. The Left (or the Right) might reject a specific finding, if it happened to come to their attention, but that's different from rejecting the source itself as compromised.

    Ideally what I'd like would be for the information about the accelerated development of black children to be buried unnoticed in a highly respected textbook on child development, and backed by multiple studies. Even better might be an online article like this wonderful article in Vox, in which respected left-liberal researchers endorse pretty much everything I believe about race and IQ, except for the part about the gap being genetic. I respect Rushton, but he is solidly on my side of the debate, and possibly biased. For that reason I can't really use him in an argument with race deniers, the way I can use the "unimpeachable" authors of the Vox article. What I'd like would be to see information about the developmental rates of black children coming from a source that leftists would find similarly unimpeachable.

    I’m skeptical tgat the AMA would sanction that research.

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