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It’s okay to be white (in India).

The only countries that don’t believe in the aesthetic validity of white supremacy are white countries.

In one of my reviews of Harvard geneticist David Reich’s 2018 book Who We Are and How We Got Here, I wrote:

Reich’s DNA studies find Indians to be as wildly diverse racially as you would expect from your lying eyes. Reich writes:

“A stroll down a street in any Indian city makes it clear how diverse Indians are. Skin shades range from dark to pale. Some people have facial features like Europeans, others closer to Chinese.” …

Who are the Brahmins?

They appear to be the descendants of Aryan conquerors who rigged Indian culture to keep their heirs on top for thousands of years. Reich’s right-hand man Nick Patterson found six Brahmin jatis around today that had extreme proportions of steppe invader ancestry.

Similarly, a new study this week involving Reich, Patterson, and ninety other geneticists found:

“The strongest signals of elevated Steppe ancestry were in two groups that were of traditionally priestly status who were expected to be custodians of texts written in Sanskrit.”

Reich writes:

“The people who were custodians of Indo-European language and culture were the ones with relatively more steppe ancestry, and because of the extraordinary strength of the caste system in preserving ancestry and social roles over generations, the ancient substructure in the ANI [Ancestral North Indians] is evident in some of today’s Brahmins even after thousands of years.”

The Indian moviegoing masses seem to share the pro-Aryan prejudices of the old Northern European philosophers, with most Bollywood stars drawn from the fairer and taller Northern Indians with more steppe descent.

On the other hand, how much objective evidence is there today for the old prejudice that the more Aryan Indians of the north are objectively superior to the more Dravidian Indians of the south?

While India has made a fair amount of economic progress since giving up Fabian socialism in 1991, the shorter, darker people of the South seem to be pulling ahead. The parts of India that are doing best today, such as, in their ideologically different ways, capitalist Bangalore and leftist Kerala, tend to be in the more Dravidian, less Aryan south. In contrast, the “Deep North” of states like Uttar Pradesh remains locked in poverty.

 
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  1. Oh, come on! I can see a pretty diverse range myself, from C to DD.

    Yes, they are all very beautiful. There are only ~ 8 out of those 30 that I would have bet money on being dot-Indian, if I had seen them before reading this post.

    **************************
    Steve, I know you need donations. Can you answer whether the Valley Village address is secure for sending funds (8″ x 11″ envelope)? I gotta know that.
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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Yes, the Valley Village PO Box is secure. Large size envelopes accepted.

    Thanks.

    , @Autochthon

    There are only ~ 8 out of those 30 that I would have bet money on being dot-Indian, if I had seen them before reading this post.
     
    Ah, but in the real world, you would know straight away they are Hindoos because you would have smelled them long before you would have seen them.
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    It looks like an Andrea Tantaros impersonator contest.
    , @Lot
    Sending uncut sheets? Outted as Steven Mnuchin or his lovely wife.

    http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/5a0c918f35876e33028b6379-1190-625/steven-mnuchin-just-showed-off-the-first-dollar-bills-with-his-signature--and-the-internet-is-having-a-field-day.jpg
  2. @Achmed E. Newman
    Oh, come on! I can see a pretty diverse range myself, from C to DD.

    Yes, they are all very beautiful. There are only ~ 8 out of those 30 that I would have bet money on being dot-Indian, if I had seen them before reading this post.

    **************************
    Steve, I know you need donations. Can you answer whether the Valley Village address is secure for sending funds (8" x 11" envelope)? I gotta know that.
    **************************

    Yes, the Valley Village PO Box is secure. Large size envelopes accepted.

    Thanks.

    • Replies: @PaceLaw
    From C to DD? Now that’s my kind of diversity! Lol!!!
  3. Wow, petty and nasty as ******* Steve.

    You nasty.

    • Troll: dvorak
  4. OK, to get this thread rolling, here are my top 5:

    1) 4th row, #1
    2) 2nd row, #3
    3) 1st row, #6
    4) 3rd row, #4 (might be that 1970’s hair that does it for me)
    5) 5th row, #4 (oops, broke my own rule)

    You can’t look at the chest. That’s no fair!

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Ach, There is not one that I would kick out of bed, but who am I kidding. I wouldn't have a sniff. Maybe, just maybe, forty years ago.
    , @Known Fact
    Yes to 3-4 but 4-2 might also be the one.

    One area where beauty pageants are glaringly non-diverse is height -- seems if you're shorter or taller than a leggy 5'6" to 5'8" you can just stay home.
    , @Noman
    Watch out, that could be a "rape list".
    , @AndrewR
    Bottom row, #2 is the hottest.

    I'm really surprised how many look Oriental.
  5. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/miss-india-pageant-has-been-slammed-for-lacking-diversity-among-its-finalists/news-story/7089eda3afc85d39cd6341879da164e3

    “Another person shared the same image and asked why couldn’t a “Miss India be a dusky or dark brown or darker chocolate brown?””

    Obviously miss India can’t be a dusky dark brown, because eww.

    “This is not the skin tones of the actual pictures,” she said, adding some of the show’s past winners like Nehal Chudasama, Srinidhi Shetty and Anukreethy Vas had darker skin.

    I had to google anukreethy vas, she’s pretty hot especially if you’re into oriental fetishism. She gets a pass.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    Westerners telling a diverse POC nation that it must adhere to our supposed standards of beauty is clearly racist neo-colonialism.

    And come to think of it, why aren't there any blondes among the finalists. They are all un-diverse brunettes.

    But most troubling of all is the total lack of representation by ugly people.
    , @International Jew

    Nehal Chudasama, Srinidhi Shetty and Anukreethy Vas
     
    What they lack in biodiversity they more than make up for with onomadiversity!
    , @Federalist
    From the article you cited:

    “This is not the skin tones of the actual pictures,” she said, adding some of the show’s past winners like Nehal Chudasama, Srinidhi Shetty and Anukreethy Vas had darker skin.
     
    I googled them. They don't look very dark. I think the "past winners were dark" thing is wishful thinking.
    , @AndrewR
    Ms Vas looks quite Aryan but I'd happily give her some Aryan kids either way...
  6. My go to population for comparisons like this are the Circassians, who supposedly had the most beautiful women in the world. They still exist in pockets, but they have otherwise been wiped out or assimilated by others. Are the Europeans of the world Circassians in waiting?

    • Replies: @slumber_j

    My go to population for comparisons like this are the Circassians, who supposedly had the most beautiful women in the world. They still exist in pockets
     
    If I weren't married, I'd buy a pair of trousers with at least one of those pockets immediately. For a while, the Bukharan Jews who own the barbershop I use (along with seemingly all other barbershops on Manhattan's Upper East Side) had a woman working there who claimed to be Circassian and really was abnormally beautiful.
    , @Tired of Not Winning
    I had to look it up. Circassia was a Northwest Caucasian country invaded by Russia. Many Circassians were displaced and today the largest population of Circassians can be found in Turkey(1m - 7m), Russia (720k), Jordan (65k-180k) and Syria (80k-120k).

    Interesting. I never thought Turks were particularly good looking.
    , @International Jew
    There's a whole town of them you can visit:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kfar_Kama
    , @International Jew
    There's a whole town of them you can visit:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kfar_Kama
    , @Agreeber
    "My go to population for comparisons like this are the Circassians, who supposedly had the most beautiful women in the world. They still exist in pockets, but they have otherwise been wiped out or assimilated by others. Are the Europeans of the world Circassians in waiting?"

    I've always felt this was based more in idealism/fetishism on the part of Turks and Middle Easterners than anything real. Nonethless this didn't stop early racial theorists (often criminally incompetent charlatans) from seizing on a predominantly dark haired, dark eyed, intermediate-looking group (between Europeans and Middle Easterners) as an exemplar of the apex beauty of whites.

    Good to see the bizarre theorizing/fetishism still persists! They're not seen as the most beautiful because they're all mixed now!

    There's plenty of illustrations and even photos of them when sexual slavery of the was still in swing and they look pretty much the same as they do now (not the pinnacle of beauty Turkish sexual predators and the occasional sperg thinks they were.)
    , @Anonymous
    The only thing I knew about Circassian is that it was a kind of walnut especially valued for the stocks of high end shotguns (but not so much double rifles whose prodigious recoil leads makers to use somewhat less figured wood). Occasionally offcuts are used for facing on guitars of the "hippie sandwich" Alembic school as well. Damnably expensive.

    Whether it's a different species or just due to the soil, climate, virgins pissing on the roots, whatever, I don't know.
  7. @Romanian
    My go to population for comparisons like this are the Circassians, who supposedly had the most beautiful women in the world. They still exist in pockets, but they have otherwise been wiped out or assimilated by others. Are the Europeans of the world Circassians in waiting?

    My go to population for comparisons like this are the Circassians, who supposedly had the most beautiful women in the world. They still exist in pockets

    If I weren’t married, I’d buy a pair of trousers with at least one of those pockets immediately. For a while, the Bukharan Jews who own the barbershop I use (along with seemingly all other barbershops on Manhattan’s Upper East Side) had a woman working there who claimed to be Circassian and really was abnormally beautiful.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    The whole "Circassian Beauty" thing was one of P.T. Barnum's (many) hoaxes. The women he exhibited as sideshow attractions weren't even Circassian. The main characteristic of a "Circassian Beauty" was that her hairstyle was a sort of 19th century Jewfro (an Afro worn by a white person with frizzy hair). This was not a normal hairstyle for whites in that period and I guess signified that the person was a sort of primitive or wild person from a non-European civilization who didn't have access to pomade and the sense to tie back her hair in a bun like civilized women. And her costume was sort of vaguely Caucasian looking. Barnum would take some random brunette with frizzy hair off the street, style it into a Jewfro, put her in a costume and viola, a "Circassian Beauty". It was a more innocent time but even then people must have been pissed that they had paid 5 cents or whatever it was to see the Circassian Beauty and it was just a lady with a funny hairstyle. This must have been one of Barnum's more disappointing sideshow attractions although many of them were equally lame.

    http://www.sideshowworld.com/81-SSPAlbumcover/Wild-Hair/Abducted/CB-Abducted.html
    , @Known Fact
    I googled Circassian and "women" came right up, so there might be something to that. The images on that page were a mixed bag.

    I'd always heard Venezuela touted for having the world's most beautiful women, but they might be looking a bit disheveled these days.
  8. Largely Kashmiri (duh!) with a few whiffs of Iranian, northeast and southeast Asian;
    hardly any noticeable krishna varna.

    Beauty be dissperate impack!!!

  9. Its almost as if fair skin and a certain kind of bone structure have universal appeal to men. Even the black women who win beauty pageants look like mocha skinned white women.

    • Agree: anon19
    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    Miss Mexico

    https://st-listas.20minutos.es/images/2018-11/434605/5386974_640px.jpg?1544724530

    Miss Korea

    https://i1.wp.com/awardgoesto.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Baek-Ji-Hyun-Miss-Universe-Korea-2018.jpg?resize=400%2C600

    Miss Brazil

    https://www.rbsdirect.com.br/imagesrc/25073552.jpg?w=700

  10. The daughters of the Indo-European conquerors. Similar to the white Mexican upper class, I suppose.

  11. Well, there’s white, and there’s white. Those chicks look pretty ethnic to me. If European, way down in southern Italy.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    True, but European Whites are more diverse in appearance compared to other races so they could fall within the range. As an Italian I consider myself to be an Honorary White on the basis that, despite my resemblance to Mumar Khadafi, some of my immediate family members have blue eyes.
    Sadly that’s not enough to cut the mustard with my wife who insists I’m not White, but a “Swarthyite”.
  12. Also not much diversity when it comes to orthography:
    https://images.wsj.net/im-78434?width=1260&aspect_ratio=1.5

  13. How can we invest in bleaching cream stocks?

    • Replies: @Steve Richter

    How can we invest in bleaching cream stocks?
     
    good explanation. Are they disqualified if they change their hair color?
    , @(((They))) Live
    Invest in Indian or Chinese cosmetics companies, I have no doubt western companies would love a slice of that growing market, and maybe they do right now, but for how long. Imagine if someone like Beyonce was told that some US firm was making millions selling skin lighting creams to women of colour, she'd have to campaign against the practice, before buying herself a life time supply of the product of course

    The BBC did a documentary about skin lightening a while back, the presenter an Indian lady from the North England looked like she was no stranger to the issue, but like Beyonce could never admit to it
  14. The only countries that don’t believe in the concept of the moral and aesthetic validity of white supremacy are white countries.

    People want what they don’t have. White women go out in the sun, or go to tanning salons, to become darker-skinned. Coming to think of it, many white men do this too: see the current President of the United States.

    • Replies: @Federalist
    Well, the current President of the United States apparently wants to look orange rather than darker-skinned.
    , @AndrewR
    I don't think tanned skin was seen as attractive anywhere until the 1920s or so. Traditionally it signals you're poor and have to labor in the sun to make a living.
  15. Au contraire, these 30 women likely represent at least a dozen different sub-strata of India’s top social classes.

  16. They all are of Aryan descent.

  17. Except for one, I see a lot of hair…

  18. These are photoshopped into looking whiter than they are. That’s a technique commonly used in matrimonial ads in India too.

    If you look back at past Miss India winners, you’ll see a few dark-skinned women too (though most tend to be light-skinned.)

    • Replies: @Federalist
    If they’re photoshopped to look whiter, that probably adds more weight to the argument that lighter skin is the beauty ideal in India.
    , @Anon
    Exactly. Photoshopping and makeup.

    Also, they come from the top 1-2% elite light-skinned families of the Subcontinent. They represent the BEST of the young women of this elite fraction.
  19. Let the Indians decide what they think is beautiful and butt out of their business. These international leftist busy bodies remind me of the leftist busy bodies in this country to try to dictate to states other than their own what laws those states will and will not pass. Tend to your own business and leave others alone.

    • Agree: Buffalo Joe
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    I'm pretty sure foreign leftists are just echoing the same thing that Indian leftists are. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if right wing Indians were upset about this too, at least the dark ones.
  20. 30 caramel-colored beauties there. Hard to choose a winner. Let’s use the William S. Paley method and give the award to the one with the best rack.

  21. DZK says:

    A significant minority of these women might have partial European ancestry from the colonial era. Many popular Indian actresses (e.g. Alia Bhatt, Katrina Kaif, Kareena Kapoor, Lara Dutta, Karisma Kapoor) have some European heritage, ranging from 1/2 to 1/8.

    On a similar note: the current Aga Khan, who is the hereditary spiritual leader of Ismaili Muslims, is a guy who looks like any aristocratic British gentleman. Both his father and grandfather married European women. So when he is acclaimed by his Ismaili devotees during his India visits, the image is quite striking.

    • Agree: PV van der Byl
    • Replies: @Dr van nostrand
    All except Kapoors are part European. Kapoors hail originally from northwest Pakistan . Hence their fair skin and light eyes.
    , @al anon
    Eastern European Women marry Indians all the time, I guess to get out of EU. Also, I understand the crucial skin whitening issue area for Indians is located a bit lower.
  22. This must be the Persian beauty pageant after the Mullahs are done away with.

  23. Ironically, Former Miss America Nina Davuluri would have been considered too dark to win a beauty pageant in India.

    • Agree: Thulean Friend
  24. 1. Credit where it’s due…… Yowza!

    2. Imagine telling yourself 20 years ago that Miss India contestants will be collectively hotter (and whiter) than Miss America contestants.

    3. What is actually going on here? Are these women Anglo, part Anglo or just using Aryanizing plastic surgery technology?

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    I saw somewhere on a "mil-blog" a group photo of fighter-jet pilots in India's air force. These women appear to be their sisters?
    , @Alec Leamas

    3. What is actually going on here? Are these women Anglo, part Anglo or just using Aryanizing plastic surgery technology?
     
    Maybe they're just staying out of the sun?

    In the Northern area of the subcontinent there are various legends that Indians and Pakistanis from that region claim about having Persian and Macedonian/Greek origins. I know a son of Pakistani immigrants with light skin and light green eyes who claims this. I don't know how true this is, but it does seem apparent that generally speaking the further south on the subcontinent one goes the darker and more Melenesian-looking the people become.
    , @Spangel
    india has over a billion people. It’s easy for them to find several dozen light skinned women who will appeal to a Caucasian audience. They don’t necessarily have any recent Caucasian ancestry.

    I’ve been surprised by the amount of people from Pakistan who I had no idea were south Asian. When they have mentioned their ancestry, it seems like a total surprise. I have mistaken them for anything from Tibetan to Italian.
    , @Jack D
    Indians ARE Aryan. It's possible that some of these women may be Anglo-Indian but most are not. India is a vast sub-continent with a lot of variation in skin color (though not much in hair color). As you go north skin tones get lighter (just as they do on other continents). And then from the paler skinned regions you have natural selection over a billion plus people so you can pick out a few dozen who are ESPECIALLY pale skinned and beautiful. Indian beauty queens take a lot of trouble never to go out in the sun and I am sure wear a lot of makeup and use bleaching creams. You can also manipulate skin tone in photos. It's possible that some of these women have had plastic surgery but not necessarily - Indians can be naturally beautiful/handsome by European standards (although on average they ain't). You are just looking at a group that is 99.99th percentile as applied to a billion people.

    The important thing here is that Indian beauty standards are not Woke yet - there's no idea that "black is beautiful". Paler is better when it comes to female beauty (this has been the norm in most places for most of human history) so when they pick beauty queens they look for pale. It's only the West that has gone crazy in the last 50 years and flipped the norms that applied almost everywhere for all human history.

    , @rec1man
    All these women are from castes with high % of Indo-Aryan blood

    Bollywood is same

    Sandeepa Dhar - Brahmin

    https://stat1.bollywoodhungama.in/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Sandeepa-Dhar-19.jpg

    Urvashi Rautela - Rajput

    http://www.qatar-tribune.com/Data/20171113/Images/48_4_1.jpg

    Sunny Leone - Upper Caste Punjabi
    US ex-porn star, her pics have been downloaded 1 million times by US men

    https://cdn.dnaindia.com/sites/default/files/styles/full/public/1764050.jpg

    , @Kaz
    My family is ethnically from the North-Eastern tip of India before moving to Pakistan post British partition.

    I was born in America.

    People in my family have fair skin, some green eyes, some a reddish brown hair instead of black.

    I was curious and did a 23andme and it came up as 99.9% South Asian so I guess you don't need to have any anglo genes to look like this apparently. That's about as detailed as 23andme gets for South Asians at the moment, at least it did correctly get the province my family hailed from.
  25. No Indians running for Miss India?

    • Replies: @fish

    No Indians running for Miss India?
     
    See.....outsourcing hurts everyone!
  26. likely appearance is the first place we will see gene editing take place? Do scientists know which genes changes will create an Indian with blonde hair?

  27. @Reg Cæsar
    How can we invest in bleaching cream stocks?

    How can we invest in bleaching cream stocks?

    good explanation. Are they disqualified if they change their hair color?

  28. @Gunnar von Cowtown
    1. Credit where it's due...... Yowza!

    2. Imagine telling yourself 20 years ago that Miss India contestants will be collectively hotter (and whiter) than Miss America contestants.

    3. What is actually going on here? Are these women Anglo, part Anglo or just using Aryanizing plastic surgery technology?

    I saw somewhere on a “mil-blog” a group photo of fighter-jet pilots in India’s air force. These women appear to be their sisters?

  29. OT: on TCM last night was the best years of our lives. After the film they have a black commentator on who complains that banks did not take a chance and give a loans to Black servicemen like we see Al doing to Novak. Then he says that Novak saying he was a sharecropper like his father was not possible being that only Blacks were sharecroppers. Was that true?

    • Replies: @Neuday
    Yeah, sharecropping was something only done with negroes. Tenant farming never existed before Whites decided to take advantage of blacks. Medieval Europe never happened.
    , @Redneck farmer
    There were white sharecroppers, especially north of the Mason-Dixon line.
    , @Colin Wright
    '...Then he says that Novak saying he was a sharecropper like his father was not possible being that only Blacks were sharecroppers. Was that true?'

    Not only was it not true, but it was massively not true. For example, relatively few of the 'Okies' who descended on California during the Great Depression were actually from Oklahoma. Farmers in Oklahoma generally owned their land, and The Grapes of Wrath notwithstanding, people who own land generally cling to it.

    It's tenant farmers and sharecroppers who leave -- and that's who most of the Okies were. They were tenant farmers and sharecroppers -- most commonly from Arkansas, not Oklahoma.

    ...and they were white.

    Never believe anything a black says -- not until a white confirms it, anyway.

  30. OT

    Trump’s Mexico tariffs: yet another thing for federal courts to issue an injunction on. Other than that, a great idea.

  31. Highly unattractive Indian woman complains:

    Barely a handful of women, of the 49 crores or something, who live in this country, can flaunt a slim and toned waistline. Most women’s complexion falls on the duskier side of the spectrum. Even when it comes to hair, it is not as if all women have luscious straight and shiny hair. Some of us are blessed with wavy or curly hair, which breaks comb on a monthly basis… What will her appearance scream to the world? That we do not think heavy-set, short-heighted, curly haired or dark women are beautiful?… Indian women are proud of who we are. We wear very curve, every curl and every pimple and stretch mark with pride.

    https://www.shethepeople.tv/blog/miss-india-contestants-2019-look-identical

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Peterike, yes of course, dark, stout, short, pimply face with knarly hair...what's not to like. Unless you can find a three foot tall babe with a flat head and you can set your drink on her head.
  32. Wow, if they were on Tinder, I would open a Facebook account, download. Swipe right and star every one of them.

    Seriously, is there a common set if standards for beauty? Seems to me…….

    • Replies: @EdwardM
    Don't bother with Tinder. I have traveled extensively in India, usually staying in upscale hotels in major cities, and lived in the Persian Gulf region for 10 years (which is majority Indian, granted mostly from the south), and can say that I have never once seen any woman remotely like this.

    (Not like any Western or East Asian city, where you see plenty of beauty-pageant-worthy women walking around.)

    I can't explain it, other than that these women are fake. (I don't mean they don't exist, but they are stylized to an extent much greater than in the West.) They lighten their skin, even more so for the picture. Also the bell curve for beauty must be very flat-tailed there (unlike the women)?
  33. I recently watched “Monsoon Wedding” on DVD and marveled at how fair-skinned the female lead was. Her only departure from the Western ideal of beauty was a rather prominent nose, exactly like the goddesses I’ve seen in Hindu paintings.

  34. Maybe Jussie Smollett should enter …

    And, it seems Jussie does not have much trouble with nooses:

    According to the report, police arrived to “find him with white rope draped around his neck and stained clothing.” Meaning he kept a noose hanging around his neck for nearly 40 minutes.

    https://www.etonline.com/10-of-the-most-bizarre-details-from-jussie-smolletts-case-documents-released-by-chicago-police

  35. @Gunnar von Cowtown
    1. Credit where it's due...... Yowza!

    2. Imagine telling yourself 20 years ago that Miss India contestants will be collectively hotter (and whiter) than Miss America contestants.

    3. What is actually going on here? Are these women Anglo, part Anglo or just using Aryanizing plastic surgery technology?

    3. What is actually going on here? Are these women Anglo, part Anglo or just using Aryanizing plastic surgery technology?

    Maybe they’re just staying out of the sun?

    In the Northern area of the subcontinent there are various legends that Indians and Pakistanis from that region claim about having Persian and Macedonian/Greek origins. I know a son of Pakistani immigrants with light skin and light green eyes who claims this. I don’t know how true this is, but it does seem apparent that generally speaking the further south on the subcontinent one goes the darker and more Melenesian-looking the people become.

    • Replies: @PV van der Byl

    generally speaking the further south on the subcontinent one goes the darker and more Melenesian-looking the people become.

     

    You are observing the difference between relatively light-complexioned, Aryan-speaking North Indians and dark-skinned, non-Aryan-speaking Dravidians who were pushed to the south by the former.
    , @DPG
    The genetic evidence supports the difference between North and South Indian. North Indians are literally part Aryan. The Eurasian Steppe population that swept through Europe and contributed a huge percentage of modern day European genes also penetrated northern India.

    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2018/04/22/who-we-are-8-india/

    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2018/05/01/who-we-are-9-europe/

    There was an article I read a while back, perhaps here on iSteve, that showed that upper caste Indians are genetically different, and there were hints that the caste system may have coincided with the arrival of these conquerors. Essentially modern Indian culture may be a millenia old social system for keeping people with Eurasian Steppe descent on the top of the social pyramid.
    , @Jack D
    The subcontinent borders on Persia and there have been several waves of migration/conquest by Persians (Iranians) throughout history. Iranians themselves can range from European looking to South Asian in appearance. Asia is one big landmass without a lot of natural obstacles and in border regions of each empire (especially) the races have been mixing since forever. So you see every possible combination of people who look fully or partly S. Asian, E. Asian and Caucasian and range from palest white to as dark as Africans.
  36. I assume Tamil/Malayalam girls are a no go. Shame, the one’s I’ve met were smart, loads of personality, and generally shared my faith.

    • Replies: @Dr van nostrand
    Tamil girls can be hideous or stunning. Really nothing in between. But the former is like 70%. Kerala girls can be quite stunning actually.
  37. @slumber_j

    My go to population for comparisons like this are the Circassians, who supposedly had the most beautiful women in the world. They still exist in pockets
     
    If I weren't married, I'd buy a pair of trousers with at least one of those pockets immediately. For a while, the Bukharan Jews who own the barbershop I use (along with seemingly all other barbershops on Manhattan's Upper East Side) had a woman working there who claimed to be Circassian and really was abnormally beautiful.

    The whole “Circassian Beauty” thing was one of P.T. Barnum’s (many) hoaxes. The women he exhibited as sideshow attractions weren’t even Circassian. The main characteristic of a “Circassian Beauty” was that her hairstyle was a sort of 19th century Jewfro (an Afro worn by a white person with frizzy hair). This was not a normal hairstyle for whites in that period and I guess signified that the person was a sort of primitive or wild person from a non-European civilization who didn’t have access to pomade and the sense to tie back her hair in a bun like civilized women. And her costume was sort of vaguely Caucasian looking. Barnum would take some random brunette with frizzy hair off the street, style it into a Jewfro, put her in a costume and viola, a “Circassian Beauty”. It was a more innocent time but even then people must have been pissed that they had paid 5 cents or whatever it was to see the Circassian Beauty and it was just a lady with a funny hairstyle. This must have been one of Barnum’s more disappointing sideshow attractions although many of them were equally lame.

    http://www.sideshowworld.com/81-SSPAlbumcover/Wild-Hair/Abducted/CB-Abducted.html

    • Agree: Triumph104
    • Replies: @Autochthon
    I don't doubt a word you wrote about Barnum's shenanigans, but my casual perusal of currently available photography suggests most Circassian women today would never be kicked out if my bed for eating crackers.
  38. What do you mean? One of those women is clearly Oriental. All of them are Asian. Don’t be racist, it’s not like they’re Aryan…

  39. I must admit that one of my unrequited loves / crushes was a woman who was half White/ half Indian. She had a sweet personality and perfect features. My desire for a white ethnostate goes out the window when I think of her.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Not everyone's vision of an ethnostate would exclude her, especially if she's of largely Indo-Aryan descent. A white ethnostate could even allow marriages to black people. But obviously the idea would be that these types of marriages would be rare and relatively discouraged.
  40. OT: More than half of the entrants to this years national spelling bee bought their way in.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-29/c-p-i-t-l-i-s-m-national-spelling-bee-now-pay-play-event

    I wonder about the demographics of the parents who paid for their kids to get in. Would we find an overabundance of asian tiger-moms? Perhaps this is another example of the impact that diversity will have on our meritocratic ideals.

    • Replies: @Jack D

    I wonder about the demographics of the parents who paid for their kids to get in. Would we find an overabundance of asian tiger-moms?
     
    Spelling bees are a South Asian thing, for reasons that are unclear to me. East Asians (the usual tiger moms) are more into math.

    Paying the fee doesn't mean squat if you can't spell the words once you get up there. These kids all practice for hours each day and memorize the dictionary - this is no small feat. The kids who paid to get in apparently missed one word at lower level and paying the fee buys them back in. I'm not saying it's a good idea but it doesn't really change the outcome. You still have to perform once you are back in.

    I think the spelling bee is coming to an end since once all the contestants have all memorized the complete dictionary there is no point. This year was apparently the breaking point.
    , @Anon
    Spelling Bees are heavily Indian.
  41. Ditto your spelling bee competition. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/31/us/national-spelling-bee-champions.html

    Apparently, the future, is one white female and a ton of Indians. Wonder what the plan for American Blacks will be when ‘a King who knew not Joseph’ comes to power? Pretty obvious the white male is headed down the path of the Reds and Wasps.

  42. @Gunnar von Cowtown
    1. Credit where it's due...... Yowza!

    2. Imagine telling yourself 20 years ago that Miss India contestants will be collectively hotter (and whiter) than Miss America contestants.

    3. What is actually going on here? Are these women Anglo, part Anglo or just using Aryanizing plastic surgery technology?

    india has over a billion people. It’s easy for them to find several dozen light skinned women who will appeal to a Caucasian audience. They don’t necessarily have any recent Caucasian ancestry.

    I’ve been surprised by the amount of people from Pakistan who I had no idea were south Asian. When they have mentioned their ancestry, it seems like a total surprise. I have mistaken them for anything from Tibetan to Italian.

  43. @Reg Cæsar
    How can we invest in bleaching cream stocks?

    Invest in Indian or Chinese cosmetics companies, I have no doubt western companies would love a slice of that growing market, and maybe they do right now, but for how long. Imagine if someone like Beyonce was told that some US firm was making millions selling skin lighting creams to women of colour, she’d have to campaign against the practice, before buying herself a life time supply of the product of course

    The BBC did a documentary about skin lightening a while back, the presenter an Indian lady from the North England looked like she was no stranger to the issue, but like Beyonce could never admit to it

  44. @Gunnar von Cowtown
    1. Credit where it's due...... Yowza!

    2. Imagine telling yourself 20 years ago that Miss India contestants will be collectively hotter (and whiter) than Miss America contestants.

    3. What is actually going on here? Are these women Anglo, part Anglo or just using Aryanizing plastic surgery technology?

    Indians ARE Aryan. It’s possible that some of these women may be Anglo-Indian but most are not. India is a vast sub-continent with a lot of variation in skin color (though not much in hair color). As you go north skin tones get lighter (just as they do on other continents). And then from the paler skinned regions you have natural selection over a billion plus people so you can pick out a few dozen who are ESPECIALLY pale skinned and beautiful. Indian beauty queens take a lot of trouble never to go out in the sun and I am sure wear a lot of makeup and use bleaching creams. You can also manipulate skin tone in photos. It’s possible that some of these women have had plastic surgery but not necessarily – Indians can be naturally beautiful/handsome by European standards (although on average they ain’t). You are just looking at a group that is 99.99th percentile as applied to a billion people.

    The important thing here is that Indian beauty standards are not Woke yet – there’s no idea that “black is beautiful”. Paler is better when it comes to female beauty (this has been the norm in most places for most of human history) so when they pick beauty queens they look for pale. It’s only the West that has gone crazy in the last 50 years and flipped the norms that applied almost everywhere for all human history.

    • Replies: @PV van der Byl
    I'd rather you said Indians are Aryan-speaking. Originally, it was a linguistic term, not a racial one.
    , @Spangel
    I think Indian beauty standards are not woke because there isn’t much pressure to change from regular Indian women. Unlike how we see these contestants, Indian women don’t seem to see them as almost white aberrrations among a sea of Indian looking people. To Indians, these women look like pretty Indian women.

    Women like a beauty standard they identify with. A lot of black women don’t like a standard that holds that Vanessa Williams as hot because she is a light black woman with mostly Caucasian type features. Indian women aren’t really like this. They see their actresses and models as better versions of themselves, just like how white women see white actresses and models. Indian women don’t need to see models with indigenous features to identify or aspire to their beauty.

    India has had thousands of years of waves of Caucasian invasions and at this point, the dusky caucasoid appearance these contestants have is not seen as foreign. They view it as an authentic form of what they are.
  45. Anon[393] • Disclaimer says:

    In fact the second women on the top row looks like classical gyppo with a mustache. The one below her looks like an Israeli, with a hooked nose. The one below the latter looks Burmese. But, yeah, let’s say they are all identical, because we are short of proper arguments.

    If you are so cucked on Gyppos, I can’t wait for your first gyppo president, Kamala. There were no Gyppos in Guyana 200 years ago, and now they are 60% of the country. I am sure there are enough Sajits to fix United States in a similar way.

    You should just reek when reading anything from Poo-in-the-loo Land. Instead, you want us to learn from it?

  46. @Gunnar von Cowtown
    1. Credit where it's due...... Yowza!

    2. Imagine telling yourself 20 years ago that Miss India contestants will be collectively hotter (and whiter) than Miss America contestants.

    3. What is actually going on here? Are these women Anglo, part Anglo or just using Aryanizing plastic surgery technology?

    All these women are from castes with high % of Indo-Aryan blood

    Bollywood is same

    Sandeepa Dhar – Brahmin

    Urvashi Rautela – Rajput

    Sunny Leone – Upper Caste Punjabi
    US ex-porn star, her pics have been downloaded 1 million times by US men

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    rec1, great resume' enchancer..."ex porn star", like you retired your naughty bits.
  47. Why do we let in slags like Nikki Haley instead of these honeys?

  48. Raven-haired or brunette beauties Barbara Palvin and Hilary Rhoda and Lynda Carter and even that saucy English tart named Polly Walker are a mile or so more beautiful than those two dozen or so Sub-Continent Indian broads.

    European Christian women are the best looking women on the planet and that is why we must defend them and advance their interests, even when they are behaving politically in an atrocious manner by voting for anti-White Republicans or anti-White Democrats.

    White Core American Women are wonderful, even the hypocrite White twats who live in mostly White areas and towns and parts of cities but say they love “multiculturalism” and “diversity.”

    White Women With College Degrees are especially beautiful and sweet, even though many of them are nasty, hypocrite twats who vote for the Democrat Party to keep their government jobs and their money-grubbing scams and their abortion and their ability to use governmental power to attack and destroy White Women Without College Degrees.

    Love, Love, Love — All White Core American Women Need Is Love.

    Trumpy has not been bold enough in fighting for the love and votes of White Core American Women. Trumpy has stabbed White Core American Women in the back by pushing mass legal immigration and by refusing to deport the upwards of 30 million illegal alien invaders in the USA.

    Trumpy and the Democrat Party have started a WAR ON WHITE WOMEN — WOWW!

    The White Core American political party will fight for the best interests of White Women.

    Tweet from 2014:

  49. @Achmed E. Newman
    Oh, come on! I can see a pretty diverse range myself, from C to DD.

    Yes, they are all very beautiful. There are only ~ 8 out of those 30 that I would have bet money on being dot-Indian, if I had seen them before reading this post.

    **************************
    Steve, I know you need donations. Can you answer whether the Valley Village address is secure for sending funds (8" x 11" envelope)? I gotta know that.
    **************************

    There are only ~ 8 out of those 30 that I would have bet money on being dot-Indian, if I had seen them before reading this post.

    Ah, but in the real world, you would know straight away they are Hindoos because you would have smelled them long before you would have seen them.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    In my experience light, high caste beauties like these gals are as well scrubbed and groomed as any Western woman.

    These 30 WoC-émon are the sort any straight guy would love to catch.
  50. Alex & Jack D, thanks for the info.

  51. Pictures of Miss India going back to the 1950s.

    https://www.indiatimes.com/lifestyle/self/a-look-at-miss-indias-over-the-years-278279.html

    It appears the ideal hasn’t changed much over six decades.

    The ideal tends towards a “European” look. The ones in Indian clothes look more Indian, but that might just be an effect of the costuming.

    • Replies: @wilpattuHouse
    Miss India 1965 Persis Khambatta

    Lieutenant Ilia in the feature film Star Trek: The Motion Picture

    Khambatta became the first Indian citizen to present an Academy Award in 1980. She was nominated for Saturn Award for Best Actress for her role in Star Trek.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persis_Khambatta
  52. Once there was an Indian couple who owned a liquor store I used to frequent. They were pretty much absentee landlords and rarely to be seen. Their lower class (and, I gather, much put upon) White staff took care of the daily operations while they were off doing whatever it is that they do. But one day in the store I chanced to see the man—and his wife.

    She was not as classically beautiful as any of these women. She was darker and fuller figured, with a rounder face. But there was something so hypnotically feminine about her that all my instincts sprang into action. I passed her in the aisle and we had one of those moments where the world stops turning. I looked at her with a firm and breathless determination. She looked back at me with that peculiar expression of female desire that is scarcely to be distinguished from anger. We lingered for a moment, and went our ways.

    Of course it was not to be; but that moment, now 7 years passed, is firmly planted in my mind. I always hoped that I would see that woman again, but I never did.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Intell. years ago my wife and I did business with a dot Indian who, hands down, was as beautiful as any of these. When we parted company I looked at my wife and she nodded and said "Yes, you may have a dispensation." As in I could have an affair with the lady. However, my wife also said she would castrate me. HaHa, funny woman, my wife.
    , @anonymous
    Citizen Kane: re the girl in the white dress...

    "This quote comes at the beginning of Bernstein’s recollections of his relationship with Kane, when he talks to Thompson about what “Rosebud” could possibly mean. Bernstein goes on to tell Thompson an anecdote of how, back in 1896, he was on a ferry and saw a girl on another ferry. She was wearing a white dress and holding a white parasol. Although he saw her only for a second, he says that a month hasn’t gone by since then that he hasn’t thought of her. "

    Memory, and loss, Mr. Dasein...we have all been there.
    , @Romanian
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamihlapinatapai

    "a look shared by two people, each wishing that the other would initiate something that they both desire but which neither wants to begin."
     
  53. I guess White Supremacy is a form of multiculturalism.

  54. Your name is heard in high places
    You know the Aga Khan
    He sent you a race horse for Christmas
    And you keep it just for fun, for a laugh, ha-ha-ha

    They say that when you get married
    It’ll be to a millionaire
    But they don’t realize where you came from
    And I wonder if they really care, or give a damn

    But where do you go to my lovely
    When you’re alone in your bed?
    Tell me the thoughts that surround you
    I want to look inside your head, yes I do

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    Nice choice of song and singer, especially since Peter Sarstedt was mixed race—Anglo-Indian.
  55. @Steve Richter
    OT: on TCM last night was the best years of our lives. After the film they have a black commentator on who complains that banks did not take a chance and give a loans to Black servicemen like we see Al doing to Novak. Then he says that Novak saying he was a sharecropper like his father was not possible being that only Blacks were sharecroppers. Was that true?

    Yeah, sharecropping was something only done with negroes. Tenant farming never existed before Whites decided to take advantage of blacks. Medieval Europe never happened.

  56. @Alec Leamas

    3. What is actually going on here? Are these women Anglo, part Anglo or just using Aryanizing plastic surgery technology?
     
    Maybe they're just staying out of the sun?

    In the Northern area of the subcontinent there are various legends that Indians and Pakistanis from that region claim about having Persian and Macedonian/Greek origins. I know a son of Pakistani immigrants with light skin and light green eyes who claims this. I don't know how true this is, but it does seem apparent that generally speaking the further south on the subcontinent one goes the darker and more Melenesian-looking the people become.

    generally speaking the further south on the subcontinent one goes the darker and more Melenesian-looking the people become.

    You are observing the difference between relatively light-complexioned, Aryan-speaking North Indians and dark-skinned, non-Aryan-speaking Dravidians who were pushed to the south by the former.

  57. @Mr. Anon
    OT: More than half of the entrants to this years national spelling bee bought their way in.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-29/c-p-i-t-l-i-s-m-national-spelling-bee-now-pay-play-event

    I wonder about the demographics of the parents who paid for their kids to get in. Would we find an overabundance of asian tiger-moms? Perhaps this is another example of the impact that diversity will have on our meritocratic ideals.

    I wonder about the demographics of the parents who paid for their kids to get in. Would we find an overabundance of asian tiger-moms?

    Spelling bees are a South Asian thing, for reasons that are unclear to me. East Asians (the usual tiger moms) are more into math.

    Paying the fee doesn’t mean squat if you can’t spell the words once you get up there. These kids all practice for hours each day and memorize the dictionary – this is no small feat. The kids who paid to get in apparently missed one word at lower level and paying the fee buys them back in. I’m not saying it’s a good idea but it doesn’t really change the outcome. You still have to perform once you are back in.

    I think the spelling bee is coming to an end since once all the contestants have all memorized the complete dictionary there is no point. This year was apparently the breaking point.

    • Replies: @Dr van nostrand
    I would normally say Indian American are better off joining the boy or girl scouts rather than participate in silly memorizing contests like the spelling bee. But not these days....
    , @Hypnotoad666

    The kids who paid to get in apparently missed one word at lower level and paying the fee buys them back in.
     
    No-limit hold'em poker tournaments often have a similar procedure where you can buy back in if you go broke early. Admittedly, this makes a bit more sense in poker as the buy-ins just increase the overall pot of prize money that everyone is playing for.
  58. @Jack D
    Indians ARE Aryan. It's possible that some of these women may be Anglo-Indian but most are not. India is a vast sub-continent with a lot of variation in skin color (though not much in hair color). As you go north skin tones get lighter (just as they do on other continents). And then from the paler skinned regions you have natural selection over a billion plus people so you can pick out a few dozen who are ESPECIALLY pale skinned and beautiful. Indian beauty queens take a lot of trouble never to go out in the sun and I am sure wear a lot of makeup and use bleaching creams. You can also manipulate skin tone in photos. It's possible that some of these women have had plastic surgery but not necessarily - Indians can be naturally beautiful/handsome by European standards (although on average they ain't). You are just looking at a group that is 99.99th percentile as applied to a billion people.

    The important thing here is that Indian beauty standards are not Woke yet - there's no idea that "black is beautiful". Paler is better when it comes to female beauty (this has been the norm in most places for most of human history) so when they pick beauty queens they look for pale. It's only the West that has gone crazy in the last 50 years and flipped the norms that applied almost everywhere for all human history.

    I’d rather you said Indians are Aryan-speaking. Originally, it was a linguistic term, not a racial one.

  59. @DZK
    A significant minority of these women might have partial European ancestry from the colonial era. Many popular Indian actresses (e.g. Alia Bhatt, Katrina Kaif, Kareena Kapoor, Lara Dutta, Karisma Kapoor) have some European heritage, ranging from 1/2 to 1/8.

    On a similar note: the current Aga Khan, who is the hereditary spiritual leader of Ismaili Muslims, is a guy who looks like any aristocratic British gentleman. Both his father and grandfather married European women. So when he is acclaimed by his Ismaili devotees during his India visits, the image is quite striking.

    All except Kapoors are part European. Kapoors hail originally from northwest Pakistan . Hence their fair skin and light eyes.

    • Replies: @Numinous

    All except Kapoors are part European.
     
    No. Karishma and Kareena have an English grandmother. I've heard the latter explicitly say so in an interview.
  60. DPG says:
    @Alec Leamas

    3. What is actually going on here? Are these women Anglo, part Anglo or just using Aryanizing plastic surgery technology?
     
    Maybe they're just staying out of the sun?

    In the Northern area of the subcontinent there are various legends that Indians and Pakistanis from that region claim about having Persian and Macedonian/Greek origins. I know a son of Pakistani immigrants with light skin and light green eyes who claims this. I don't know how true this is, but it does seem apparent that generally speaking the further south on the subcontinent one goes the darker and more Melenesian-looking the people become.

    The genetic evidence supports the difference between North and South Indian. North Indians are literally part Aryan. The Eurasian Steppe population that swept through Europe and contributed a huge percentage of modern day European genes also penetrated northern India.

    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2018/04/22/who-we-are-8-india/

    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2018/05/01/who-we-are-9-europe/

    There was an article I read a while back, perhaps here on iSteve, that showed that upper caste Indians are genetically different, and there were hints that the caste system may have coincided with the arrival of these conquerors. Essentially modern Indian culture may be a millenia old social system for keeping people with Eurasian Steppe descent on the top of the social pyramid.

  61. @Jack D

    I wonder about the demographics of the parents who paid for their kids to get in. Would we find an overabundance of asian tiger-moms?
     
    Spelling bees are a South Asian thing, for reasons that are unclear to me. East Asians (the usual tiger moms) are more into math.

    Paying the fee doesn't mean squat if you can't spell the words once you get up there. These kids all practice for hours each day and memorize the dictionary - this is no small feat. The kids who paid to get in apparently missed one word at lower level and paying the fee buys them back in. I'm not saying it's a good idea but it doesn't really change the outcome. You still have to perform once you are back in.

    I think the spelling bee is coming to an end since once all the contestants have all memorized the complete dictionary there is no point. This year was apparently the breaking point.

    I would normally say Indian American are better off joining the boy or girl scouts rather than participate in silly memorizing contests like the spelling bee. But not these days….

  62. @yaqub the mad scientist
    I assume Tamil/Malayalam girls are a no go. Shame, the one's I've met were smart, loads of personality, and generally shared my faith.

    Tamil girls can be hideous or stunning. Really nothing in between. But the former is like 70%. Kerala girls can be quite stunning actually.

  63. “The only countries that don’t believe in the concept of the moral and aesthetic validity of white supremacy are white countries.”

    Um, what? I’m sure that could have been phrased better.

  64. @ken
    No Indians running for Miss India?

    No Indians running for Miss India?

    See…..outsourcing hurts everyone!

  65. In my experience there is very little overlap between Indians and Europeans, in other words the lightest Indians are darker then the darkest Europeans.

  66. @Anon
    Well, there's white, and there's white. Those chicks look pretty ethnic to me. If European, way down in southern Italy.

    True, but European Whites are more diverse in appearance compared to other races so they could fall within the range. As an Italian I consider myself to be an Honorary White on the basis that, despite my resemblance to Mumar Khadafi, some of my immediate family members have blue eyes.
    Sadly that’s not enough to cut the mustard with my wife who insists I’m not White, but a “Swarthyite”.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    "Mumar Khadafi"

    Jesus christ you totally butchered tha

    Google
    , @syonredux
    Hey, Italy has produced some outstandingly beautiful women:

    https://fedrationcouture.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/sophia_loren_521.jpg

    https://earthenergyreader.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/monica-bellucci-1024x768-24236.jpg



    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/1d/d7/90/1dd7905891fc62df0caf76e6bcb90376.jpg


    https://ilarge.lisimg.com/image/6236658/740full-maria-grazia-cucinotta.jpg
    , @J1234
    I'm almost entirely of northwestern European ancestry and I consider Italians (as in ancestry) as white as other Europeans, and part of the spectrum of western beauty. People who are Sicilian are darker, and a variation.

    One thing that Italians tend to have over northern Europeans is better body and facial proportions. This is true of some (but certainly not all) other Mediterranean people, and some middle easterners and people like the Kurds. Not being quite as tall as nordics is part of the reason, IMO. Some of us with northern origins are a little gawky looking by nature, with noses that are often too small (though mine's too big) and legs too skinny. The young Sylvester Stallone was the epitome of well proportioned, both in face and body, and I think this (in part) was a function of his ethnic origins. The old Sylvester Stallone is really homely, though. I had a crush on an Italian girl in elementary school - all the boys did, because her face was perfectly proportioned, as was the relationship of her head and body size. The young Gina Lollabrigida had probably the most perfectly proportioned face of any actress of the film era. Not saying she was the most beautiful, but the proportional ideal.

    https://tostpost.com/images/2018-Mar/17/da877c5effae189ef64f61264627a442/3.jpg

    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    As an Italian I consider myself to be an Honorary White on the basis that, despite my resemblance to Mumar Khadafi, some of my immediate family members have blue eyes.
    Sadly that’s not enough to cut the mustard with my wife who insists I’m not White, but a “Swarthyite”.
     
    "Garibaldi didn't unite Italy, he divided Africa!"
  67. Steve:

    This is off topic but there’s been another fake “hateful behavior” incident, this time at the Boston Museum of Fine Arts. Some Negro students on a field trip to the Museum – undoubtedly subsidized by the membership fees of privileged Whites like me – complained of race-based harassment. There’s been the usual brouhaha and virtue signalling responses by a Mr. Matthew Teitelbaum, Ann and Graham Gund Director.

    I received an email from the Museum to dues paying members, which contains a link to the Museum’s response here: https://www.mfa.org/about/toward-a-more-inclusive-mfa?utm_source=dm_development_miscellaneous&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=development&utm_content=version_A&promo=20498.

    This site contains, in turn, a link to the Museum’s investigation of the supposed incidents here: https://www.mfa.org/news/update-may-2019

    The bottom line is that a group of Negro students from a local “academy” went into the Museum on a free field trip with chips on their shoulders and looking for grievances. They construed – probably deliberately – a warning that water bottles were not allowed in the museum as a warning not to bring watermelons into the museum. They made the unfounded, paranoid assertion that they were being trailed by Museum guards when they weren’t. And they accused two museum patrons of harassing them. My suspicion, based on my own recent experiences and observations in the Museum, is that these two patrons were probably complaining about unacceptable behavior, not realizing that Negroes are now exempt from any reasonable controls on their behavior by Whites.

    At any rate, a condign example has been made of these two poor fools and the Museum is virtue signalling like hell despite the absence of any scandal except a Jussie-Smollet-like attempt to create one by ungrateful Negro recipients of the Museum’s largesse.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    ICYMI (#56)
  68. Was the caste of the contestant listed?

    Are there separate contests per caste?

  69. @Autochthon

    There are only ~ 8 out of those 30 that I would have bet money on being dot-Indian, if I had seen them before reading this post.
     
    Ah, but in the real world, you would know straight away they are Hindoos because you would have smelled them long before you would have seen them.

    In my experience light, high caste beauties like these gals are as well scrubbed and groomed as any Western woman.

    These 30 WoC-émon are the sort any straight guy would love to catch.

  70. • Replies: @Jack D
    People of color (or is that colored people - one is an insult and the other isn't and I can never remember which is which) are like Ford Model T's - you can have them in any color you want, as long as it's brown.
    , @J.Ross
    I came here to post this.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    Okay, the current climate-- the work of other whites-- does technically fit the UN's second, neglected definition of genocide. But there must be better ways than this to oppose it.

    Histrionics don't look good coming from white people. Or male people. Or straight people. Or Christian people.
  71. The countries where the affluent elite are noticeably whiter than those they rule are states where the culture portrays whiteness is something signifying all good things. The elite of the West distinguish themselves from the masses by an ideological mark of Cain.

  72. @Kyle
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/miss-india-pageant-has-been-slammed-for-lacking-diversity-among-its-finalists/news-story/7089eda3afc85d39cd6341879da164e3

    “Another person shared the same image and asked why couldn’t a “Miss India be a dusky or dark brown or darker chocolate brown?””

    Obviously miss India can’t be a dusky dark brown, because eww.

    “This is not the skin tones of the actual pictures,” she said, adding some of the show’s past winners like Nehal Chudasama, Srinidhi Shetty and Anukreethy Vas had darker skin.

    I had to google anukreethy vas, she’s pretty hot especially if you’re into oriental fetishism. She gets a pass.

    Westerners telling a diverse POC nation that it must adhere to our supposed standards of beauty is clearly racist neo-colonialism.

    And come to think of it, why aren’t there any blondes among the finalists. They are all un-diverse brunettes.

    But most troubling of all is the total lack of representation by ugly people.

  73. @Buzz Mohawk
    https://nationalvanguard.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/peopleofcolor.jpg

    People of color (or is that colored people – one is an insult and the other isn’t and I can never remember which is which) are like Ford Model T’s – you can have them in any color you want, as long as it’s brown.

    • Replies: @ChrisZ
    That's a clever and revealing retort, Jack.
    , @Anon
    I like mine yellow, thank you very much.
    , @Anonymous
    Early Ford T's came in various colors. They standardized on black because it dried faster, but by that time the T was already long in the tooth. Even by WWI standards it was a crude car and finally people lost interest in them at any price. Henry himself would have been content to keep making the T until demand entirely quit and walk away from carmaking but he had other stockholders who forced him to update and the Model A (the second Model A, the first production Ford was also a Model A) was the result. It was also somewhat crude but less so than the T and drove like all other cars by that time with "standard shift", foot feed gas pedal, brake and clutch pedals.

    Fords were crude, they had the flathead V8 with its siamesed center exhaust ports that overheated and mechanical brakes until almost WWII. Other makes were generally better cars. GM took over from Ford as the number one maker and did not look back until Obama was president.


    California invented hot rodding because old Fords were very cheap and the steel mills far off, so the raw materials were incredibly cheap. Fords had little resale value because they were cheap new and people wanted better , more comfortable cars. The flathead Ford engine was the hot rodder's choice because cores were cheap and plentiful. However, when the small block Chevy engine came out all the hot rodders switched to Chevy power within a few years. Ford lost the hot rod war because nothing interchanged and speed parts were expensive whereas on Chevys it all interchanged. Ford never learned the lesson, hasn't to this day.
  74. It is all about justice for all. We must have it, no matter the costs.

    At the bottom of this search for justice is the reality that some people are smart, others stupid, some girls are pretty, others ugly, some are healthy, some sick, some are whiter and taller, others carry the aborigine genes.

    It can’t be fixed, here is no justice. The less endowed are bitter, they have always been bitter about it, now it is just in the open. Meeting them half-way or all-the-way – as the foolish Western literati are obsessed with doing – solves nothing. They will remain dumb, short, swarthy, and bitter. They will always want more, because the underlying injustice can never be fixed. That leaves revenge, and what West has is mostly revenge-mongering politics, that’s not a good thing for anybody.

    • Agree: Dtbb
  75. @Buzz Mohawk
    https://nationalvanguard.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/peopleofcolor.jpg

    I came here to post this.

  76. @Jack D

    I wonder about the demographics of the parents who paid for their kids to get in. Would we find an overabundance of asian tiger-moms?
     
    Spelling bees are a South Asian thing, for reasons that are unclear to me. East Asians (the usual tiger moms) are more into math.

    Paying the fee doesn't mean squat if you can't spell the words once you get up there. These kids all practice for hours each day and memorize the dictionary - this is no small feat. The kids who paid to get in apparently missed one word at lower level and paying the fee buys them back in. I'm not saying it's a good idea but it doesn't really change the outcome. You still have to perform once you are back in.

    I think the spelling bee is coming to an end since once all the contestants have all memorized the complete dictionary there is no point. This year was apparently the breaking point.

    The kids who paid to get in apparently missed one word at lower level and paying the fee buys them back in.

    No-limit hold’em poker tournaments often have a similar procedure where you can buy back in if you go broke early. Admittedly, this makes a bit more sense in poker as the buy-ins just increase the overall pot of prize money that everyone is playing for.

  77. @Alec Leamas

    3. What is actually going on here? Are these women Anglo, part Anglo or just using Aryanizing plastic surgery technology?
     
    Maybe they're just staying out of the sun?

    In the Northern area of the subcontinent there are various legends that Indians and Pakistanis from that region claim about having Persian and Macedonian/Greek origins. I know a son of Pakistani immigrants with light skin and light green eyes who claims this. I don't know how true this is, but it does seem apparent that generally speaking the further south on the subcontinent one goes the darker and more Melenesian-looking the people become.

    The subcontinent borders on Persia and there have been several waves of migration/conquest by Persians (Iranians) throughout history. Iranians themselves can range from European looking to South Asian in appearance. Asia is one big landmass without a lot of natural obstacles and in border regions of each empire (especially) the races have been mixing since forever. So you see every possible combination of people who look fully or partly S. Asian, E. Asian and Caucasian and range from palest white to as dark as Africans.

  78. Kamala Harris is half Subcontinent Indian and half Jamaican.

    Kamala Harris has been a complete and total DUD in the 2020 Democrat Party presidential primary.

    Kamala Harris just got a boring bit written about her in the Economist magazine. The bit says Harris might do something or other if somebody stumbles.

    Maybe Kamala Harris is playing for VP.

    How about we applaud Lauren Southern for getting in a little boat to stop the REFUGEE OVERLOAD INVASION ships that were illegally bringing Third Worlders into Europe? Yes, I know she is a shady stooge and she has had contacts with certain people that raise questions about her. So what?

    She should be applauded for her specific act of defying the globalizers in their attempts to swamp and flood Europe with non-Whites and illegal alien invaders.

  79. Anonymous[347] • Disclaimer says:

    Meanwhile, many young white women these days try to make themselves look black and like Kim Kardashian, who in addition to tanning and increasing the size of her buttocks, has done work on her lips and nose to look more black. I’m not sure if this is solely due to the influence of Kardashian, or is part of a general trend, but it’s there and is quite unusual to anyone old enough to remember the 80s and 90s, when the svelte or busty blonde look was favored. It’s not just the exaggerated buttocks and proportions, but the tanning, lips and facial structure, and ethnic style of makeup that’s popular these days.

    It’s interesting to compare this trend to the career trajectories of Kim Kardashian and Paris Hilton. Hilton is a svelte blonde who was very famous in the first decade of the 2000s. Kardashian was a friend of Hilton’s but not famous at the time. However, over the past decade, Hilton has largely disappeared and lost her fame, while Kardashian has rocketed to fame and has dominated celebrity culture while “blackening” her appearance with ridiculous procedures like buttocks enhancements. Was Kardashian simply part of a general trend and did she shoot to fame as a result? Or did she drive the trend herself?

    • Replies: @Anon
    As I recall, Hilton's family threatened to disinherit her if she didn't stop being the center of scandal. She's kept a low profile since then.
    , @Svigor
    Never really understood the obsession with either. Hollywood's full of better-looking women. Who I guess didn't do as good a job keeping themselves in the headlines...
  80. @Alfa158
    True, but European Whites are more diverse in appearance compared to other races so they could fall within the range. As an Italian I consider myself to be an Honorary White on the basis that, despite my resemblance to Mumar Khadafi, some of my immediate family members have blue eyes.
    Sadly that’s not enough to cut the mustard with my wife who insists I’m not White, but a “Swarthyite”.

    “Mumar Khadafi”

    Jesus christ you totally butchered tha

    Google

  81. @PiltdownMan
    Pictures of Miss India going back to the 1950s.

    https://www.indiatimes.com/lifestyle/self/a-look-at-miss-indias-over-the-years-278279.html

    It appears the ideal hasn't changed much over six decades.

    The ideal tends towards a "European" look. The ones in Indian clothes look more Indian, but that might just be an effect of the costuming.

    Miss India 1965 Persis Khambatta

    Lieutenant Ilia in the feature film Star Trek: The Motion Picture

    Khambatta became the first Indian citizen to present an Academy Award in 1980. She was nominated for Saturn Award for Best Actress for her role in Star Trek.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persis_Khambatta

  82. I’ve heard about “yellow fever” but never “dot fever”. The comments are interesting to read, especially the ones detailling their sexual encounters or lusts for dotties. Strange stuff

    On the other hand….some of them do look nice…but eh….

  83. It’s like a billboard for “Fair and Lovely Cream”. How many gallons of skin bleach does it take to lighten their skin this much?

  84. @Steve Richter
    OT: on TCM last night was the best years of our lives. After the film they have a black commentator on who complains that banks did not take a chance and give a loans to Black servicemen like we see Al doing to Novak. Then he says that Novak saying he was a sharecropper like his father was not possible being that only Blacks were sharecroppers. Was that true?

    There were white sharecroppers, especially north of the Mason-Dixon line.

    • Replies: @gcochran
    One of my grandfathers was a sharecropper.
  85. @Alfa158
    True, but European Whites are more diverse in appearance compared to other races so they could fall within the range. As an Italian I consider myself to be an Honorary White on the basis that, despite my resemblance to Mumar Khadafi, some of my immediate family members have blue eyes.
    Sadly that’s not enough to cut the mustard with my wife who insists I’m not White, but a “Swarthyite”.

    Hey, Italy has produced some outstandingly beautiful women:

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Syon, sigh, the woman who played Appolonia, Michael Corleone's Italian wife.
    , @TomSchmidt
    You left out Giovanna Mezzogiorno:
    https://www.comingsoon.it/personaggi/giovanna-mezzogiorno/71128/biografia/
  86. @Romanian
    My go to population for comparisons like this are the Circassians, who supposedly had the most beautiful women in the world. They still exist in pockets, but they have otherwise been wiped out or assimilated by others. Are the Europeans of the world Circassians in waiting?

    I had to look it up. Circassia was a Northwest Caucasian country invaded by Russia. Many Circassians were displaced and today the largest population of Circassians can be found in Turkey(1m – 7m), Russia (720k), Jordan (65k-180k) and Syria (80k-120k).

    Interesting. I never thought Turks were particularly good looking.

    • Replies: @Kibernetika
    Russia fought for a long time to subdue the Caucasus, and as we know that goal was never fully accomplished; they're still fighting there almost daily. Some things never change ;) Same as we may yet be fighting in Afghanistan for at least a decade or more to come.

    (iSteve readers will recall the Tsarnaev brothers.)

    In Russian literature and cinema there's a lot about this. Think Lermontov ("Mon dieu, un Circassian!"), Tolstoi, and even the late, great Sergei Bodrov, Jr.

    https://youtu.be/9f72A-z6K4A

    https://youtu.be/2aqR1Uc8B-4?t=428
    , @Romanian
    I doubt the numbers are that high, especially in terms of self-identification. The people who are most interested in knowing the numbers are also interested in fudging them to make them seem higher. It's a common game in our region.

    We had our own Circassians. Totally assimilated now, otherwise even a small number identifying as such would be granted a Member of Parliament as a historical minority present before Romania's unification in 1918 (some of them have less than 2000 people, officially - Jews, Italians - the newer Israelis and Italians do not count, this is a "tribal affiliation" thing).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mihail_Cerchez
  87. Sad but true. But this is also a country that for centuries has fetishized white skin, first under Brahmins at the top of the caste food-chain, and later under the British. If I’m not mistaken, india (among other countries like Brazil, japan, Singapore etc) is one of the largest producers and consumers of “fairness” skin creams. Many of these models regularly get their face and skin bleached with chemicals that include hydrogen peroxide. How many years do you think it’s going to take to overturn that indoctrination for generations?

    But it’s a beauty pageant, what do you expect? There was some article where the contestants whined about the food portions and being really hungry all the time and made to work out all the time while semi-starving. Third world problems 😎 .

    • Replies: @Moses

    If I’m not mistaken, india (among other countries like Brazil, japan, Singapore etc) is one of the largest producers and consumers of “fairness” skin creams.
     
    Can confirm.

    I’ve spent considerable time in Asia. Skin lightening creams and treatment are big business.

    In these cultures dark skin = unattractive. White skin = attractive.

    Asian women go to great lengths to lighten and/or prevent darkening of their skin.

    http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/245778/slide_245778_1407216_free.jpg
  88. She was born in the US, to Indian parents. According to, wikipedia. Yeah, wikipedia.

  89. @Zoodles
    Its almost as if fair skin and a certain kind of bone structure have universal appeal to men. Even the black women who win beauty pageants look like mocha skinned white women.
    • Replies: @Tony
    The Mexican looks like the typical woman you see cleaning offices.
    , @AndrewR
    Miss Brasil is probably 100% ethnic Italian if not German. Miss Mexico is probably on the white side of castiza. Miss Korea is kinda ugly...
  90. Not a blonde in a carload. Even Miss Japan a couple years ago was half black-African. Miss JAPAN!

    • Replies: @Numinous

    Even Miss Japan a couple years ago was half black-African.
     
    Nope, half-Indian.
  91. Anon[247] • Disclaimer says:

    These women look Middle Eastern, not white. In real life they’d look even more Middle Eastern, without the bright photography lights shining on them.

    This is a good example of why “white” is not a good term. What it’s supposed to mean is European, and implies that a northern European phenotype is either predominant or significant. Mediterranean and Mideastern types often promote an expansive usage of “white” out of insecurity and apprehension about being distinguished from more native European/northern European types, but this serves to erase the native European/northern European phenotype and identity.

  92. @Jack D
    People of color (or is that colored people - one is an insult and the other isn't and I can never remember which is which) are like Ford Model T's - you can have them in any color you want, as long as it's brown.

    That’s a clever and revealing retort, Jack.

    • Replies: @Agreeber
    "That’s a clever and revealing retort, Jack."

    Yeah, as to how retarded people who take that image seriously are. Europeans may be the most variable in hair and skin color but they are among the most homogenous in skin color, ranging from white to olive- even east asians vary more than that. India in contrast ranges from white to pitch black. Nevermind that Australo-Melanesians are often as variable as whites in hair color and even have gradient hair tones only found among them.
  93. @Buzz Mohawk
    https://nationalvanguard.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/peopleofcolor.jpg

    Okay, the current climate– the work of other whites– does technically fit the UN’s second, neglected definition of genocide. But there must be better ways than this to oppose it.

    Histrionics don’t look good coming from white people. Or male people. Or straight people. Or Christian people.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    I think you know me here, and if you do, you can guess that I mostly just like how that graphic shows the variety of colors among "White" people -- in contrast to the homogenous beauties pictured in Steve's post. I did not post it for the slogans at the bottom, though, like you, I think they are technically accurate.

    What is histrionic about that?

    With all due respect, I think you are displaying the exemplary restraint of a White frog, while the water gets hotter and hotter. White homelands and White populations are rather small compared to those of all the various brown people around the rest of the planet. Yet, the unprecedented mass migration is coming into our lands only. If that is not displacement, I don't know what is. The people coming here have only their own interests at heart, as they should, but we live here and have no place to go.

    Perhaps it is time for some White histrionics. After all, it is the lack of it, praised by you, that makes us sheep in a world full of brown wolves. The whitest people on Earth, the Swedes, are importing an entire replacement population into their small country, willingly, without any histrionics. That is the famous, reserved, Nordic, Christian personality for you.

    As for anti-White hatred, I am all-in with the slogan; I agree 100% that such hatred exists and is being promoted in epidemic form now in the United States. Furthermore, I do not agree with you that it is all the work of other Whites. The people coming here bear some responsibility. They have agency, just like all of us truly colorful White people -- but only we are held responsible, which fact is in itself a form of anti-White hatred.

  94. Many lighter skinned Indian people seem to have what I would describe as darker rings under their eyes. Few if any of these photos seem to reflect this trait, the product of makeup and/or lighting, I suppose. The European ideal of beauty seems to be very important to these women. Who can blame them? BTW, based on their photos, most of them are quite pretty.

    • Replies: @Spangel
    I don’t think they have much sense of seeing it as a European ideal of beauty apart from the light skin. A lot of Indians have a variation of caucasoid physiognomy. Thus, their ideal of beauty will conform to a rather similar standard of beauty as the European standard. I would expect that Iranian beauty queens, if such were allowed by the mullahs, would all look beautiful by European standards, but it wouldn’t be because they were trying to conform to European standards. It would just be because Persian beauty naturally conforms to a similar standard as European beauty.

    The Caucasian facial structure (but not hair and eye coloring) mostly has origins in the near East or Central asian plains. It is where both the medditerranean farmer stock and yamnaya that comprises much of the current European population originated. Both of these groups also spread through the Middle East and in various waves, to India. So it’s not really that Europe owns this caucasoid beauty standard more than others who also value it do.

    East Asians, in contrast, truly have a different standard of beauty even if we all would agree on which Asians are more or less beautiful. If you compared the top East Asian women to the top Caucasian women, the winner would be hard to choose on objective grounds because it would be like looking at two different kinds of things.
  95. I’d personally prefer a round little Tamil chick with a doctoral thesis about compilers and a shared disdain for sentimentality. But here’s the deal: I’m a weirdo, I know I’m a weirdo, and I don’t find it morally imperative that other men share my tastes. Let’s not kid ourselves, most men of all races find the tall, pale, svelte look sexier, and they did before colonialism. And there’s nothing wrong with that. It is what it is, just as much as most women innately prefer certain traits in mem. Mating preferences are beyond good and evil.

    In a lot of Asian cultures, a pale woman typically signaled affluence-which meant a good dowry and valuable marriage connections-because she was wealthy enough to not work the fields. And if she was tall, she typically had enough to eat growing up. European imperialism enhanced these attitudes, but it didn’t create them, and cultures typically shift at a glacial pace. The last few decades in the West are really novel in that sense.

  96. @Kyle
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/miss-india-pageant-has-been-slammed-for-lacking-diversity-among-its-finalists/news-story/7089eda3afc85d39cd6341879da164e3

    “Another person shared the same image and asked why couldn’t a “Miss India be a dusky or dark brown or darker chocolate brown?””

    Obviously miss India can’t be a dusky dark brown, because eww.

    “This is not the skin tones of the actual pictures,” she said, adding some of the show’s past winners like Nehal Chudasama, Srinidhi Shetty and Anukreethy Vas had darker skin.

    I had to google anukreethy vas, she’s pretty hot especially if you’re into oriental fetishism. She gets a pass.

    Nehal Chudasama, Srinidhi Shetty and Anukreethy Vas

    What they lack in biodiversity they more than make up for with onomadiversity!

  97. @Achmed E. Newman
    OK, to get this thread rolling, here are my top 5:

    1) 4th row, #1
    2) 2nd row, #3
    3) 1st row, #6
    4) 3rd row, #4 (might be that 1970's hair that does it for me)
    5) 5th row, #4 (oops, broke my own rule)

    You can't look at the chest. That's no fair!

    Ach, There is not one that I would kick out of bed, but who am I kidding. I wouldn’t have a sniff. Maybe, just maybe, forty years ago.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    Buff, let me assure you, there are plenty of carmelitas who just loooooooooove white guys.
  98. @Achmed E. Newman
    OK, to get this thread rolling, here are my top 5:

    1) 4th row, #1
    2) 2nd row, #3
    3) 1st row, #6
    4) 3rd row, #4 (might be that 1970's hair that does it for me)
    5) 5th row, #4 (oops, broke my own rule)

    You can't look at the chest. That's no fair!

    Yes to 3-4 but 4-2 might also be the one.

    One area where beauty pageants are glaringly non-diverse is height — seems if you’re shorter or taller than a leggy 5’6″ to 5’8″ you can just stay home.

  99. @Romanian
    My go to population for comparisons like this are the Circassians, who supposedly had the most beautiful women in the world. They still exist in pockets, but they have otherwise been wiped out or assimilated by others. Are the Europeans of the world Circassians in waiting?

    There’s a whole town of them you can visit:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kfar_Kama

  100. @Romanian
    My go to population for comparisons like this are the Circassians, who supposedly had the most beautiful women in the world. They still exist in pockets, but they have otherwise been wiped out or assimilated by others. Are the Europeans of the world Circassians in waiting?

    There’s a whole town of them you can visit:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kfar_Kama

    • Replies: @Romanian
    Interesting. Had no idea!
  101. @slumber_j

    My go to population for comparisons like this are the Circassians, who supposedly had the most beautiful women in the world. They still exist in pockets
     
    If I weren't married, I'd buy a pair of trousers with at least one of those pockets immediately. For a while, the Bukharan Jews who own the barbershop I use (along with seemingly all other barbershops on Manhattan's Upper East Side) had a woman working there who claimed to be Circassian and really was abnormally beautiful.

    I googled Circassian and “women” came right up, so there might be something to that. The images on that page were a mixed bag.

    I’d always heard Venezuela touted for having the world’s most beautiful women, but they might be looking a bit disheveled these days.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Known, when my wife and I visited Thailand we were amazed at the number of beautiful women we saw BUT, all were in the service industry, hotel desk clerk, wait staff, bartender and all looked like a Siam-Euro mix.
    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    I’d always heard Venezuela touted for having the world’s most beautiful women, but they might be looking a bit disheveled these days.
     
    Someone did a SCIENCE! and discovered that Iceland of all places is supposed to have the most classically beautiful women in the world.
    , @PV van der Byl
    Yes, Venezuelan women have won a disproportionately large share of Miss Universe/World titles.

    But I'd bet almost all that type of Venezuelan are living in Miami.
  102. @peterike
    Highly unattractive Indian woman complains:

    Barely a handful of women, of the 49 crores or something, who live in this country, can flaunt a slim and toned waistline. Most women’s complexion falls on the duskier side of the spectrum. Even when it comes to hair, it is not as if all women have luscious straight and shiny hair. Some of us are blessed with wavy or curly hair, which breaks comb on a monthly basis... What will her appearance scream to the world? That we do not think heavy-set, short-heighted, curly haired or dark women are beautiful?... Indian women are proud of who we are. We wear very curve, every curl and every pimple and stretch mark with pride.

    https://www.shethepeople.tv/blog/miss-india-contestants-2019-look-identical

    Peterike, yes of course, dark, stout, short, pimply face with knarly hair…what’s not to like. Unless you can find a three foot tall babe with a flat head and you can set your drink on her head.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  103. Now there is a group of H1B’s I can get behind!

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Just used up the hourly LOL about 10 seconds ago!
  104. @rec1man
    All these women are from castes with high % of Indo-Aryan blood

    Bollywood is same

    Sandeepa Dhar - Brahmin

    https://stat1.bollywoodhungama.in/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Sandeepa-Dhar-19.jpg

    Urvashi Rautela - Rajput

    http://www.qatar-tribune.com/Data/20171113/Images/48_4_1.jpg

    Sunny Leone - Upper Caste Punjabi
    US ex-porn star, her pics have been downloaded 1 million times by US men

    https://cdn.dnaindia.com/sites/default/files/styles/full/public/1764050.jpg

    rec1, great resume’ enchancer…”ex porn star”, like you retired your naughty bits.

    • Replies: @rec1man
    She moved to India and became a bollywood star
  105. @Jack D
    Indians ARE Aryan. It's possible that some of these women may be Anglo-Indian but most are not. India is a vast sub-continent with a lot of variation in skin color (though not much in hair color). As you go north skin tones get lighter (just as they do on other continents). And then from the paler skinned regions you have natural selection over a billion plus people so you can pick out a few dozen who are ESPECIALLY pale skinned and beautiful. Indian beauty queens take a lot of trouble never to go out in the sun and I am sure wear a lot of makeup and use bleaching creams. You can also manipulate skin tone in photos. It's possible that some of these women have had plastic surgery but not necessarily - Indians can be naturally beautiful/handsome by European standards (although on average they ain't). You are just looking at a group that is 99.99th percentile as applied to a billion people.

    The important thing here is that Indian beauty standards are not Woke yet - there's no idea that "black is beautiful". Paler is better when it comes to female beauty (this has been the norm in most places for most of human history) so when they pick beauty queens they look for pale. It's only the West that has gone crazy in the last 50 years and flipped the norms that applied almost everywhere for all human history.

    I think Indian beauty standards are not woke because there isn’t much pressure to change from regular Indian women. Unlike how we see these contestants, Indian women don’t seem to see them as almost white aberrrations among a sea of Indian looking people. To Indians, these women look like pretty Indian women.

    Women like a beauty standard they identify with. A lot of black women don’t like a standard that holds that Vanessa Williams as hot because she is a light black woman with mostly Caucasian type features. Indian women aren’t really like this. They see their actresses and models as better versions of themselves, just like how white women see white actresses and models. Indian women don’t need to see models with indigenous features to identify or aspire to their beauty.

    India has had thousands of years of waves of Caucasian invasions and at this point, the dusky caucasoid appearance these contestants have is not seen as foreign. They view it as an authentic form of what they are.

    • Agree: PiltdownMan
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    It's like Charles Norman's theory that Adam Sandler continues to make a lot of money because Latino audiences identify with his looks as something their sons might achieve.
  106. @Intelligent Dasein
    Once there was an Indian couple who owned a liquor store I used to frequent. They were pretty much absentee landlords and rarely to be seen. Their lower class (and, I gather, much put upon) White staff took care of the daily operations while they were off doing whatever it is that they do. But one day in the store I chanced to see the man---and his wife.

    She was not as classically beautiful as any of these women. She was darker and fuller figured, with a rounder face. But there was something so hypnotically feminine about her that all my instincts sprang into action. I passed her in the aisle and we had one of those moments where the world stops turning. I looked at her with a firm and breathless determination. She looked back at me with that peculiar expression of female desire that is scarcely to be distinguished from anger. We lingered for a moment, and went our ways.

    Of course it was not to be; but that moment, now 7 years passed, is firmly planted in my mind. I always hoped that I would see that woman again, but I never did.

    Intell. years ago my wife and I did business with a dot Indian who, hands down, was as beautiful as any of these. When we parted company I looked at my wife and she nodded and said “Yes, you may have a dispensation.” As in I could have an affair with the lady. However, my wife also said she would castrate me. HaHa, funny woman, my wife.

  107. @Alfa158
    True, but European Whites are more diverse in appearance compared to other races so they could fall within the range. As an Italian I consider myself to be an Honorary White on the basis that, despite my resemblance to Mumar Khadafi, some of my immediate family members have blue eyes.
    Sadly that’s not enough to cut the mustard with my wife who insists I’m not White, but a “Swarthyite”.

    I’m almost entirely of northwestern European ancestry and I consider Italians (as in ancestry) as white as other Europeans, and part of the spectrum of western beauty. People who are Sicilian are darker, and a variation.

    One thing that Italians tend to have over northern Europeans is better body and facial proportions. This is true of some (but certainly not all) other Mediterranean people, and some middle easterners and people like the Kurds. Not being quite as tall as nordics is part of the reason, IMO. Some of us with northern origins are a little gawky looking by nature, with noses that are often too small (though mine’s too big) and legs too skinny. The young Sylvester Stallone was the epitome of well proportioned, both in face and body, and I think this (in part) was a function of his ethnic origins. The old Sylvester Stallone is really homely, though. I had a crush on an Italian girl in elementary school – all the boys did, because her face was perfectly proportioned, as was the relationship of her head and body size. The young Gina Lollabrigida had probably the most perfectly proportioned face of any actress of the film era. Not saying she was the most beautiful, but the proportional ideal.

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    I think very fair/blondish Europeans in general have more extremes of appearance (I see this even within my own extended family which is all Western Euro). Fair Nordic-looking whites tend to be either really beautiful/athletic or really fat/unshapely/disproportionate (think of the pasty folk who eat at Golden Corral type joints). Very little in between. Brunette/swarthy whites have more average builds and faces, less ugly but also less angelically beautiful. And they don’t look as awful when they gain weight because it distributes better on their body.
    , @PV van der Byl
    I agree. And think she has as good a claim on the #1 beauty spot as any other woman.
    , @Anon
    That's why I specified deep southern Italy. North to south, there is a big difference in ancestry in that small country.

    "There is a noticeable genetic difference between Sardinians, Northern Italians and Southern Italians," says Wikipedia.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_Italy

    This is true of most places that have been continuously inhabited for millennia, including China and Japan, a clinal north-south blending of peoples.
  108. @Kyle
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/miss-india-pageant-has-been-slammed-for-lacking-diversity-among-its-finalists/news-story/7089eda3afc85d39cd6341879da164e3

    “Another person shared the same image and asked why couldn’t a “Miss India be a dusky or dark brown or darker chocolate brown?””

    Obviously miss India can’t be a dusky dark brown, because eww.

    “This is not the skin tones of the actual pictures,” she said, adding some of the show’s past winners like Nehal Chudasama, Srinidhi Shetty and Anukreethy Vas had darker skin.

    I had to google anukreethy vas, she’s pretty hot especially if you’re into oriental fetishism. She gets a pass.

    From the article you cited:

    “This is not the skin tones of the actual pictures,” she said, adding some of the show’s past winners like Nehal Chudasama, Srinidhi Shetty and Anukreethy Vas had darker skin.

    I googled them. They don’t look very dark. I think the “past winners were dark” thing is wishful thinking.

  109. @syonredux
    Hey, Italy has produced some outstandingly beautiful women:

    https://fedrationcouture.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/sophia_loren_521.jpg

    https://earthenergyreader.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/monica-bellucci-1024x768-24236.jpg



    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/1d/d7/90/1dd7905891fc62df0caf76e6bcb90376.jpg


    https://ilarge.lisimg.com/image/6236658/740full-maria-grazia-cucinotta.jpg

    Syon, sigh, the woman who played Appolonia, Michael Corleone’s Italian wife.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Simonetta Stefanelli

    That's my memory of her too. Her brief nude scene in the Godfather really made an impact on my teenage self at a time when nudity in Hollywood films was not yet common.

    But, sadly, if you Google her now (not her current eligible for Social Security self, which time has of course taken its toll upon, as it has upon all of us, but even her older images) you'll see that the memory exceeds the reality. Not that she was ugly but she was not quite a "10" either. (BTW, she must have been under 18 when she filmed those scenes). And she didn't have much of a Hollywood career afterwards.

  110. @c matt
    Now there is a group of H1B's I can get behind!

    Just used up the hourly LOL about 10 seconds ago!

  111. @Known Fact
    I googled Circassian and "women" came right up, so there might be something to that. The images on that page were a mixed bag.

    I'd always heard Venezuela touted for having the world's most beautiful women, but they might be looking a bit disheveled these days.

    Known, when my wife and I visited Thailand we were amazed at the number of beautiful women we saw BUT, all were in the service industry, hotel desk clerk, wait staff, bartender and all looked like a Siam-Euro mix.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    They were probably not actual Eurasians, just Thais with better looking (more Euro-like) features, just as these Indian beauty queens are mostly not mixed.
  112. @Buffalo Joe
    Known, when my wife and I visited Thailand we were amazed at the number of beautiful women we saw BUT, all were in the service industry, hotel desk clerk, wait staff, bartender and all looked like a Siam-Euro mix.

    They were probably not actual Eurasians, just Thais with better looking (more Euro-like) features, just as these Indian beauty queens are mostly not mixed.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    I met a Thai girl in Japan and told her she looked very white for a Thai. She was genuinely flattered at the compliment lol
  113. @Edward

    The only countries that don’t believe in the concept of the moral and aesthetic validity of white supremacy are white countries.
     
    People want what they don’t have. White women go out in the sun, or go to tanning salons, to become darker-skinned. Coming to think of it, many white men do this too: see the current President of the United States.

    Well, the current President of the United States apparently wants to look orange rather than darker-skinned.

  114. In other lands, life is unfair to the ugly, the fat, the stupid, the dusky, the kinky haired, etc. None of these people have any control over their natural stupidity or ugliness and yet they suffer for it every day. Thank god we live in America 2019 where everyone is considered equal and being stupid or ugly is no impediment to any position, be it nuclear physicist or beauty queen, thanks to Nancy Pelosi and our enlightened system of laws.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    In other lands, life is unfair to the ugly, the fat, the stupid, the dusky, the kinky haired, etc.
     
    In other lands if you're fat life hasn't been at all unfair to you.
  115. @J1234
    Many lighter skinned Indian people seem to have what I would describe as darker rings under their eyes. Few if any of these photos seem to reflect this trait, the product of makeup and/or lighting, I suppose. The European ideal of beauty seems to be very important to these women. Who can blame them? BTW, based on their photos, most of them are quite pretty.

    I don’t think they have much sense of seeing it as a European ideal of beauty apart from the light skin. A lot of Indians have a variation of caucasoid physiognomy. Thus, their ideal of beauty will conform to a rather similar standard of beauty as the European standard. I would expect that Iranian beauty queens, if such were allowed by the mullahs, would all look beautiful by European standards, but it wouldn’t be because they were trying to conform to European standards. It would just be because Persian beauty naturally conforms to a similar standard as European beauty.

    The Caucasian facial structure (but not hair and eye coloring) mostly has origins in the near East or Central asian plains. It is where both the medditerranean farmer stock and yamnaya that comprises much of the current European population originated. Both of these groups also spread through the Middle East and in various waves, to India. So it’s not really that Europe owns this caucasoid beauty standard more than others who also value it do.

    East Asians, in contrast, truly have a different standard of beauty even if we all would agree on which Asians are more or less beautiful. If you compared the top East Asian women to the top Caucasian women, the winner would be hard to choose on objective grounds because it would be like looking at two different kinds of things.

    • Agree: Jack D
    • Replies: @J1234
    I agree with most of that, especially with regards to some Iranian populations. Applies to some middle eastern people, as well. However, it seems that some ideals of Indian beauty also include something like this:

    https://www.kids-world-travel-guide.com/images/xindiangirls_rajasthan_ed_kaetan-2.jpg.pagespeed.ic.byjMpcqf7T.jpg

    Not talking about the costumes, of course, though it is telling that the Miss India photos don't have even a suggestion of this type of clothing. I guess that could just be the standard pop-culture influence that goes along with beauty pageants.
    , @GS
    As you wrote, Caucasian face structure has origins in the near East or Central Asian plains, by the absence of Asian and African features that didn't reach that region. The spread of blond hair, blue eyes and small nose comes from a mutation occurred after the last glaciation around the Baltic sea, although light eyes existed before as a result of one or some previous mutations. Judging from its distribution map, red hair originates from Northwestern Europe or in Udmurtia (I'd say the latter since migrations predominantly happened east to west). The distribution of these features is what characterizes Europeans, or whites.
    I'm writing this to stress that "white" features don't have a unique origin in one ancestral homeland and one people, as some theory says, but result from the overlapping of features coming and spreading from various places. Nevertheless, they define our identity and we must preserve them.
  116. @Numinous
    These are photoshopped into looking whiter than they are. That's a technique commonly used in matrimonial ads in India too.

    If you look back at past Miss India winners, you'll see a few dark-skinned women too (though most tend to be light-skinned.)

    If they’re photoshopped to look whiter, that probably adds more weight to the argument that lighter skin is the beauty ideal in India.

    • Replies: @Numinous

    If they’re photoshopped to look whiter, that probably adds more weight to the argument that lighter skin is the beauty ideal in India.
     
    True, but these photos are for show. Photographers and printers almost instinctively lighten photos (they did it to me a few years ago, making me look kind-of Italian.) My point was that these women are selected by judges who can see exactly what their skin-colors are, and darker-skinned women often get selected if they are smarter and have better personalities (though their pictures then get "lightened".)

    A backlash has been brewing in India against the light-skin fetish for many years now. So our elites and upper-middle class people will talk in very politically correct ways about skin color. But then India is really many countries and many eras put together. Every generation, a huge mass of people who are mentally living in the Bronze Age get a little more prosperous, and a foothold in the middle class, but until they become really well-off retain the skin-color preferences of the past (which indeed favored paler tones.)
  117. @Known Fact
    I googled Circassian and "women" came right up, so there might be something to that. The images on that page were a mixed bag.

    I'd always heard Venezuela touted for having the world's most beautiful women, but they might be looking a bit disheveled these days.

    I’d always heard Venezuela touted for having the world’s most beautiful women, but they might be looking a bit disheveled these days.

    Someone did a SCIENCE! and discovered that Iceland of all places is supposed to have the most classically beautiful women in the world.

  118. @Alfa158
    True, but European Whites are more diverse in appearance compared to other races so they could fall within the range. As an Italian I consider myself to be an Honorary White on the basis that, despite my resemblance to Mumar Khadafi, some of my immediate family members have blue eyes.
    Sadly that’s not enough to cut the mustard with my wife who insists I’m not White, but a “Swarthyite”.

    As an Italian I consider myself to be an Honorary White on the basis that, despite my resemblance to Mumar Khadafi, some of my immediate family members have blue eyes.
    Sadly that’s not enough to cut the mustard with my wife who insists I’m not White, but a “Swarthyite”.

    “Garibaldi didn’t unite Italy, he divided Africa!”

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand
    The French had a similar snide comment about Spain "Europe starts at the Pyrnees"
  119. @Jack D
    In other lands, life is unfair to the ugly, the fat, the stupid, the dusky, the kinky haired, etc. None of these people have any control over their natural stupidity or ugliness and yet they suffer for it every day. Thank god we live in America 2019 where everyone is considered equal and being stupid or ugly is no impediment to any position, be it nuclear physicist or beauty queen, thanks to Nancy Pelosi and our enlightened system of laws.

    In other lands, life is unfair to the ugly, the fat, the stupid, the dusky, the kinky haired, etc.

    In other lands if you’re fat life hasn’t been at all unfair to you.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    This was true at one time but not anymore. Mexicans are almost as obese as Americans nowadays.
  120. @Jack D
    People of color (or is that colored people - one is an insult and the other isn't and I can never remember which is which) are like Ford Model T's - you can have them in any color you want, as long as it's brown.

    I like mine yellow, thank you very much.

  121. @Jack D
    The whole "Circassian Beauty" thing was one of P.T. Barnum's (many) hoaxes. The women he exhibited as sideshow attractions weren't even Circassian. The main characteristic of a "Circassian Beauty" was that her hairstyle was a sort of 19th century Jewfro (an Afro worn by a white person with frizzy hair). This was not a normal hairstyle for whites in that period and I guess signified that the person was a sort of primitive or wild person from a non-European civilization who didn't have access to pomade and the sense to tie back her hair in a bun like civilized women. And her costume was sort of vaguely Caucasian looking. Barnum would take some random brunette with frizzy hair off the street, style it into a Jewfro, put her in a costume and viola, a "Circassian Beauty". It was a more innocent time but even then people must have been pissed that they had paid 5 cents or whatever it was to see the Circassian Beauty and it was just a lady with a funny hairstyle. This must have been one of Barnum's more disappointing sideshow attractions although many of them were equally lame.

    http://www.sideshowworld.com/81-SSPAlbumcover/Wild-Hair/Abducted/CB-Abducted.html

    I don’t doubt a word you wrote about Barnum’s shenanigans, but my casual perusal of currently available photography suggests most Circassian women today would never be kicked out if my bed for eating crackers.

    • Replies: @Romanian
    What do you have against crackers?
  122. @Achmed E. Newman
    Oh, come on! I can see a pretty diverse range myself, from C to DD.

    Yes, they are all very beautiful. There are only ~ 8 out of those 30 that I would have bet money on being dot-Indian, if I had seen them before reading this post.

    **************************
    Steve, I know you need donations. Can you answer whether the Valley Village address is secure for sending funds (8" x 11" envelope)? I gotta know that.
    **************************

    It looks like an Andrea Tantaros impersonator contest.

    • Replies: @Noman
    Quick glance without spectacles and it looked like 30 head shots of the same woman in different poses and/or dresses. Homogenized.
    It's a small club.
  123. It is been a few years since I read it, but I recall in Mahabharata, which is a pretty old Indian text, beautiful women are described as having wide hips and milky skin.

  124. Well the question and answer round of Miss India is pretty much as vapid and ridiculous as you’d expect, though they ask a lot more girly questions (“which of these celebrities would you want to marry”) and less PC setup drivel.

    Also, I really dislike Indian accents.

    • Replies: @(((They))) Live
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJgoTcyrFZ4&frags=pl%2Cwn

    Oh wow you need to watch this video LOL
  125. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    In other lands, life is unfair to the ugly, the fat, the stupid, the dusky, the kinky haired, etc.
     
    In other lands if you're fat life hasn't been at all unfair to you.

    This was true at one time but not anymore. Mexicans are almost as obese as Americans nowadays.

    • Replies: @PV van der Byl
    Almost?
  126. IIRC, India’s math superstars have been Dravidian, but the state with the highest income per capita is Goa, which was the capital of Portuguese India for 451 years.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    And the best state in India is kerala. Or goa. But regardless, top 2
    , @DZK
    Christians seem to do better than all other religious groups in India, with the exception of the numerically-smaller Sikhs and Jains. Scroll down to see a chart of Indians' wealth by religion https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/delhi-and-punjab-richest-states-jain-wealthiest-community-national-survey/story-sakdd3MBOfKhU2p5LrNVUM.html

    I don't think it's only because of selection. Christians in Odisha and Jharkand were only converted in the last century by various missionaries who preached to the masses, but news articles say they are more affluent than their Hindu co-ethnics.
  127. Quite a while ago, I was on a long first-class flight and the guy sitting next to me was a retired high-ranking officer from the Indian Navy. (And such a patriot that he had retired to Northern California, pages of illustrations.) But he was a good conversationist, and I, playing naive, managed to get him going on a variety of topics. He was quite the phrase maker (“When you look at the historical record, Muhammad was not a prophet, he was a pirate!”).

    At one point I ingenuously asked him to explain the conflict in Kashmir to a dumb American, and why India wanted to hold on to that territory so badly.

    He became what you might call somewhat unprofessional. “Long ago, Alexander the Great conquered the region. And some of the people there still have blue eyes! The people have BLUE EYES!!”

    I guess our future all-brown diversity isn’t our greatest strength, at least to some.

  128. @Achmed E. Newman
    OK, to get this thread rolling, here are my top 5:

    1) 4th row, #1
    2) 2nd row, #3
    3) 1st row, #6
    4) 3rd row, #4 (might be that 1970's hair that does it for me)
    5) 5th row, #4 (oops, broke my own rule)

    You can't look at the chest. That's no fair!

    Watch out, that could be a “rape list”.

  129. @Buffalo Joe
    Syon, sigh, the woman who played Appolonia, Michael Corleone's Italian wife.

    Simonetta Stefanelli

    That’s my memory of her too. Her brief nude scene in the Godfather really made an impact on my teenage self at a time when nudity in Hollywood films was not yet common.

    But, sadly, if you Google her now (not her current eligible for Social Security self, which time has of course taken its toll upon, as it has upon all of us, but even her older images) you’ll see that the memory exceeds the reality. Not that she was ugly but she was not quite a “10” either. (BTW, she must have been under 18 when she filmed those scenes). And she didn’t have much of a Hollywood career afterwards.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Jack, somethings, actually most of the time, just go with the memory.
  130. @Spangel
    I don’t think they have much sense of seeing it as a European ideal of beauty apart from the light skin. A lot of Indians have a variation of caucasoid physiognomy. Thus, their ideal of beauty will conform to a rather similar standard of beauty as the European standard. I would expect that Iranian beauty queens, if such were allowed by the mullahs, would all look beautiful by European standards, but it wouldn’t be because they were trying to conform to European standards. It would just be because Persian beauty naturally conforms to a similar standard as European beauty.

    The Caucasian facial structure (but not hair and eye coloring) mostly has origins in the near East or Central asian plains. It is where both the medditerranean farmer stock and yamnaya that comprises much of the current European population originated. Both of these groups also spread through the Middle East and in various waves, to India. So it’s not really that Europe owns this caucasoid beauty standard more than others who also value it do.

    East Asians, in contrast, truly have a different standard of beauty even if we all would agree on which Asians are more or less beautiful. If you compared the top East Asian women to the top Caucasian women, the winner would be hard to choose on objective grounds because it would be like looking at two different kinds of things.

    I agree with most of that, especially with regards to some Iranian populations. Applies to some middle eastern people, as well. However, it seems that some ideals of Indian beauty also include something like this:

    Not talking about the costumes, of course, though it is telling that the Miss India photos don’t have even a suggestion of this type of clothing. I guess that could just be the standard pop-culture influence that goes along with beauty pageants.

  131. “Who will be crowned Miss India?”

    If they have a lick of sense, it’s third row, third from the left (blue dress, blue b.g.)

    At this sort of finalist top-level, abstract good looks have zeroed out; it’s all about the posture and the smile, and whether it’s sincere or not.

    That gal can do a professionally “performative” smile, and still look like she means it. Have her sent to my chambers.

  132. @MikeatMikedotMike
    It looks like an Andrea Tantaros impersonator contest.

    Quick glance without spectacles and it looked like 30 head shots of the same woman in different poses and/or dresses. Homogenized.
    It’s a small club.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    and YOU AIN'T IN IT!

    ;-}
  133. @Jack D
    Simonetta Stefanelli

    That's my memory of her too. Her brief nude scene in the Godfather really made an impact on my teenage self at a time when nudity in Hollywood films was not yet common.

    But, sadly, if you Google her now (not her current eligible for Social Security self, which time has of course taken its toll upon, as it has upon all of us, but even her older images) you'll see that the memory exceeds the reality. Not that she was ugly but she was not quite a "10" either. (BTW, she must have been under 18 when she filmed those scenes). And she didn't have much of a Hollywood career afterwards.

    Jack, somethings, actually most of the time, just go with the memory.

  134. @Spangel
    I think Indian beauty standards are not woke because there isn’t much pressure to change from regular Indian women. Unlike how we see these contestants, Indian women don’t seem to see them as almost white aberrrations among a sea of Indian looking people. To Indians, these women look like pretty Indian women.

    Women like a beauty standard they identify with. A lot of black women don’t like a standard that holds that Vanessa Williams as hot because she is a light black woman with mostly Caucasian type features. Indian women aren’t really like this. They see their actresses and models as better versions of themselves, just like how white women see white actresses and models. Indian women don’t need to see models with indigenous features to identify or aspire to their beauty.

    India has had thousands of years of waves of Caucasian invasions and at this point, the dusky caucasoid appearance these contestants have is not seen as foreign. They view it as an authentic form of what they are.

    It’s like Charles Norman’s theory that Adam Sandler continues to make a lot of money because Latino audiences identify with his looks as something their sons might achieve.

  135. @Numinous
    These are photoshopped into looking whiter than they are. That's a technique commonly used in matrimonial ads in India too.

    If you look back at past Miss India winners, you'll see a few dark-skinned women too (though most tend to be light-skinned.)

    Exactly. Photoshopping and makeup.

    Also, they come from the top 1-2% elite light-skinned families of the Subcontinent. They represent the BEST of the young women of this elite fraction.

  136. @Mr. Anon
    OT: More than half of the entrants to this years national spelling bee bought their way in.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-29/c-p-i-t-l-i-s-m-national-spelling-bee-now-pay-play-event

    I wonder about the demographics of the parents who paid for their kids to get in. Would we find an overabundance of asian tiger-moms? Perhaps this is another example of the impact that diversity will have on our meritocratic ideals.

    Spelling Bees are heavily Indian.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Spelling Bees are heavily Indian.
     
    Yes, that's what I meant. There are, I believe, more tigers in India than in China.
  137. Kaz says:
    @Gunnar von Cowtown
    1. Credit where it's due...... Yowza!

    2. Imagine telling yourself 20 years ago that Miss India contestants will be collectively hotter (and whiter) than Miss America contestants.

    3. What is actually going on here? Are these women Anglo, part Anglo or just using Aryanizing plastic surgery technology?

    My family is ethnically from the North-Eastern tip of India before moving to Pakistan post British partition.

    I was born in America.

    People in my family have fair skin, some green eyes, some a reddish brown hair instead of black.

    I was curious and did a 23andme and it came up as 99.9% South Asian so I guess you don’t need to have any anglo genes to look like this apparently. That’s about as detailed as 23andme gets for South Asians at the moment, at least it did correctly get the province my family hailed from.

  138. @Buffalo Joe
    Ach, There is not one that I would kick out of bed, but who am I kidding. I wouldn't have a sniff. Maybe, just maybe, forty years ago.

    Buff, let me assure you, there are plenty of carmelitas who just loooooooooove white guys.

  139. @Steve Richter
    OT: on TCM last night was the best years of our lives. After the film they have a black commentator on who complains that banks did not take a chance and give a loans to Black servicemen like we see Al doing to Novak. Then he says that Novak saying he was a sharecropper like his father was not possible being that only Blacks were sharecroppers. Was that true?

    ‘…Then he says that Novak saying he was a sharecropper like his father was not possible being that only Blacks were sharecroppers. Was that true?’

    Not only was it not true, but it was massively not true. For example, relatively few of the ‘Okies’ who descended on California during the Great Depression were actually from Oklahoma. Farmers in Oklahoma generally owned their land, and The Grapes of Wrath notwithstanding, people who own land generally cling to it.

    It’s tenant farmers and sharecroppers who leave — and that’s who most of the Okies were. They were tenant farmers and sharecroppers — most commonly from Arkansas, not Oklahoma.

    …and they were white.

    Never believe anything a black says — not until a white confirms it, anyway.

    • Replies: @Jack D

    people who own land generally cling to it.
     
    Not if it dries up and turns to dust and all the topsoil blows away.
  140. Wait why? Sandler is a Russian Jew. Since when did Latinos aspire to look like jews?

  141. @Redneck farmer
    There were white sharecroppers, especially north of the Mason-Dixon line.

    One of my grandfathers was a sharecropper.

  142. @Dave Pinsen
    IIRC, India’s math superstars have been Dravidian, but the state with the highest income per capita is Goa, which was the capital of Portuguese India for 451 years.

    And the best state in India is kerala. Or goa. But regardless, top 2

  143. @Reg Cæsar
    Okay, the current climate-- the work of other whites-- does technically fit the UN's second, neglected definition of genocide. But there must be better ways than this to oppose it.

    Histrionics don't look good coming from white people. Or male people. Or straight people. Or Christian people.

    I think you know me here, and if you do, you can guess that I mostly just like how that graphic shows the variety of colors among “White” people — in contrast to the homogenous beauties pictured in Steve’s post. I did not post it for the slogans at the bottom, though, like you, I think they are technically accurate.

    What is histrionic about that?

    With all due respect, I think you are displaying the exemplary restraint of a White frog, while the water gets hotter and hotter. White homelands and White populations are rather small compared to those of all the various brown people around the rest of the planet. Yet, the unprecedented mass migration is coming into our lands only. If that is not displacement, I don’t know what is. The people coming here have only their own interests at heart, as they should, but we live here and have no place to go.

    Perhaps it is time for some White histrionics. After all, it is the lack of it, praised by you, that makes us sheep in a world full of brown wolves. The whitest people on Earth, the Swedes, are importing an entire replacement population into their small country, willingly, without any histrionics. That is the famous, reserved, Nordic, Christian personality for you.

    As for anti-White hatred, I am all-in with the slogan; I agree 100% that such hatred exists and is being promoted in epidemic form now in the United States. Furthermore, I do not agree with you that it is all the work of other Whites. The people coming here bear some responsibility. They have agency, just like all of us truly colorful White people — but only we are held responsible, which fact is in itself a form of anti-White hatred.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    If that is not displacement, I don’t know what is.
     
    Slow-motion ethnic cleansing?

    Furthermore, I do not agree with you that it is all the work of other Whites.
     

    What about our fellow happy merchant whites?

    Perhaps it is time for some White histrionics.
     
    What about some feldgrau and marching practice?
    , @Dtbb
    Well said!
  144. @Romanian
    My go to population for comparisons like this are the Circassians, who supposedly had the most beautiful women in the world. They still exist in pockets, but they have otherwise been wiped out or assimilated by others. Are the Europeans of the world Circassians in waiting?

    “My go to population for comparisons like this are the Circassians, who supposedly had the most beautiful women in the world. They still exist in pockets, but they have otherwise been wiped out or assimilated by others. Are the Europeans of the world Circassians in waiting?”

    I’ve always felt this was based more in idealism/fetishism on the part of Turks and Middle Easterners than anything real. Nonethless this didn’t stop early racial theorists (often criminally incompetent charlatans) from seizing on a predominantly dark haired, dark eyed, intermediate-looking group (between Europeans and Middle Easterners) as an exemplar of the apex beauty of whites.

    Good to see the bizarre theorizing/fetishism still persists! They’re not seen as the most beautiful because they’re all mixed now!

    There’s plenty of illustrations and even photos of them when sexual slavery of the was still in swing and they look pretty much the same as they do now (not the pinnacle of beauty Turkish sexual predators and the occasional sperg thinks they were.)

  145. @Hypnotoad666
    Miss Mexico

    https://st-listas.20minutos.es/images/2018-11/434605/5386974_640px.jpg?1544724530

    Miss Korea

    https://i1.wp.com/awardgoesto.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Baek-Ji-Hyun-Miss-Universe-Korea-2018.jpg?resize=400%2C600

    Miss Brazil

    https://www.rbsdirect.com.br/imagesrc/25073552.jpg?w=700

    The Mexican looks like the typical woman you see cleaning offices.

    • LOL: AnotherDad, Kyle
    • Replies: @L Woods
    Lol, ok dude. Here we see the mirror image of iSteve boomer thirst: white nationalist pointy elbow syndrome. She's "ethnic," therefore meh, I've totally done better with my obese but blonde and blue eyed welfare queen wife.
  146. @ChrisZ
    That's a clever and revealing retort, Jack.

    “That’s a clever and revealing retort, Jack.”

    Yeah, as to how retarded people who take that image seriously are. Europeans may be the most variable in hair and skin color but they are among the most homogenous in skin color, ranging from white to olive- even east asians vary more than that. India in contrast ranges from white to pitch black. Nevermind that Australo-Melanesians are often as variable as whites in hair color and even have gradient hair tones only found among them.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    Your reply is what is revealing. We are not talking about color values or saturation, but actual hues, and the European race possesses them in more variety, among larger numbers of people, than anyone else on Earth.

    https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/0*A7_GCGbfZ0hzCD1Y.png


    Seriously, Australo-Melanesians?
  147. I work with plenty of Indians (I’m in IT), and I’d say that the darker-skinned Dravidian element prevails.

  148. @Agreeber
    "That’s a clever and revealing retort, Jack."

    Yeah, as to how retarded people who take that image seriously are. Europeans may be the most variable in hair and skin color but they are among the most homogenous in skin color, ranging from white to olive- even east asians vary more than that. India in contrast ranges from white to pitch black. Nevermind that Australo-Melanesians are often as variable as whites in hair color and even have gradient hair tones only found among them.

    Your reply is what is revealing. We are not talking about color values or saturation, but actual hues, and the European race possesses them in more variety, among larger numbers of people, than anyone else on Earth.

    Seriously, Australo-Melanesians?

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    Seriously, Australo-Melanesians?
     
    Is that what the Coudenhove-Kalergi plan enthusiasts are calling the Eurasian-Negroid race of the future these days?
    , @Anon
    You left out tone, tint, and shade, in their technical senses.
  149. @Tony
    The Mexican looks like the typical woman you see cleaning offices.

    Lol, ok dude. Here we see the mirror image of iSteve boomer thirst: white nationalist pointy elbow syndrome. She’s “ethnic,” therefore meh, I’ve totally done better with my obese but blonde and blue eyed welfare queen wife.

    • Replies: @Federalist
    i·ro·ny1
    /ˈīrənē/
    noun
    the expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect.
  150. @J1234
    I'm almost entirely of northwestern European ancestry and I consider Italians (as in ancestry) as white as other Europeans, and part of the spectrum of western beauty. People who are Sicilian are darker, and a variation.

    One thing that Italians tend to have over northern Europeans is better body and facial proportions. This is true of some (but certainly not all) other Mediterranean people, and some middle easterners and people like the Kurds. Not being quite as tall as nordics is part of the reason, IMO. Some of us with northern origins are a little gawky looking by nature, with noses that are often too small (though mine's too big) and legs too skinny. The young Sylvester Stallone was the epitome of well proportioned, both in face and body, and I think this (in part) was a function of his ethnic origins. The old Sylvester Stallone is really homely, though. I had a crush on an Italian girl in elementary school - all the boys did, because her face was perfectly proportioned, as was the relationship of her head and body size. The young Gina Lollabrigida had probably the most perfectly proportioned face of any actress of the film era. Not saying she was the most beautiful, but the proportional ideal.

    https://tostpost.com/images/2018-Mar/17/da877c5effae189ef64f61264627a442/3.jpg

    I think very fair/blondish Europeans in general have more extremes of appearance (I see this even within my own extended family which is all Western Euro). Fair Nordic-looking whites tend to be either really beautiful/athletic or really fat/unshapely/disproportionate (think of the pasty folk who eat at Golden Corral type joints). Very little in between. Brunette/swarthy whites have more average builds and faces, less ugly but also less angelically beautiful. And they don’t look as awful when they gain weight because it distributes better on their body.

  151. The Indians also appear not to believe in diversity of hairstyles.

  152. @Buzz Mohawk
    I think you know me here, and if you do, you can guess that I mostly just like how that graphic shows the variety of colors among "White" people -- in contrast to the homogenous beauties pictured in Steve's post. I did not post it for the slogans at the bottom, though, like you, I think they are technically accurate.

    What is histrionic about that?

    With all due respect, I think you are displaying the exemplary restraint of a White frog, while the water gets hotter and hotter. White homelands and White populations are rather small compared to those of all the various brown people around the rest of the planet. Yet, the unprecedented mass migration is coming into our lands only. If that is not displacement, I don't know what is. The people coming here have only their own interests at heart, as they should, but we live here and have no place to go.

    Perhaps it is time for some White histrionics. After all, it is the lack of it, praised by you, that makes us sheep in a world full of brown wolves. The whitest people on Earth, the Swedes, are importing an entire replacement population into their small country, willingly, without any histrionics. That is the famous, reserved, Nordic, Christian personality for you.

    As for anti-White hatred, I am all-in with the slogan; I agree 100% that such hatred exists and is being promoted in epidemic form now in the United States. Furthermore, I do not agree with you that it is all the work of other Whites. The people coming here bear some responsibility. They have agency, just like all of us truly colorful White people -- but only we are held responsible, which fact is in itself a form of anti-White hatred.

    If that is not displacement, I don’t know what is.

    Slow-motion ethnic cleansing?

    Furthermore, I do not agree with you that it is all the work of other Whites.

    What about our fellow happy merchant whites?

    Perhaps it is time for some White histrionics.

    What about some feldgrau and marching practice?

  153. @Achmed E. Newman
    OK, to get this thread rolling, here are my top 5:

    1) 4th row, #1
    2) 2nd row, #3
    3) 1st row, #6
    4) 3rd row, #4 (might be that 1970's hair that does it for me)
    5) 5th row, #4 (oops, broke my own rule)

    You can't look at the chest. That's no fair!

    Bottom row, #2 is the hottest.

    I’m really surprised how many look Oriental.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    Bottom row #2 from the right has a knockout smile for sure.

    For me, her nose is just a bit over the line compared to the other ladies. Though, at this level we are truly splitting frog hairs and I personally would never turn down such an attractive young woman.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Well, you have different tastes than I. Your pick seems to be one that looks the most .Indian, Andrew. She should be the winner, by all rights. In the meantime, I'm sticking with my top 5, and eagerly await their responses on Sub-Continental-Cupid... so far no hits... it's early over there though, so ...
    , @PiltdownMan

    I’m really surprised how many look Oriental.
     
    Perhaps not surprising when you consider that the natives of the easternmost states of India are Oriental, and that they are also the most consistently likely to have lighter skin, of all Indian regional types.

    http://syllad.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Tanvi.jpg
    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/LFZshYn9WcU/maxresdefault.jpg
  154. @Buzz Mohawk
    Your reply is what is revealing. We are not talking about color values or saturation, but actual hues, and the European race possesses them in more variety, among larger numbers of people, than anyone else on Earth.

    https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/0*A7_GCGbfZ0hzCD1Y.png


    Seriously, Australo-Melanesians?

    Seriously, Australo-Melanesians?

    Is that what the Coudenhove-Kalergi plan enthusiasts are calling the Eurasian-Negroid race of the future these days?

  155. @Known Fact
    I googled Circassian and "women" came right up, so there might be something to that. The images on that page were a mixed bag.

    I'd always heard Venezuela touted for having the world's most beautiful women, but they might be looking a bit disheveled these days.

    Yes, Venezuelan women have won a disproportionately large share of Miss Universe/World titles.

    But I’d bet almost all that type of Venezuelan are living in Miami.

  156. @Kyle
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/miss-india-pageant-has-been-slammed-for-lacking-diversity-among-its-finalists/news-story/7089eda3afc85d39cd6341879da164e3

    “Another person shared the same image and asked why couldn’t a “Miss India be a dusky or dark brown or darker chocolate brown?””

    Obviously miss India can’t be a dusky dark brown, because eww.

    “This is not the skin tones of the actual pictures,” she said, adding some of the show’s past winners like Nehal Chudasama, Srinidhi Shetty and Anukreethy Vas had darker skin.

    I had to google anukreethy vas, she’s pretty hot especially if you’re into oriental fetishism. She gets a pass.

    Ms Vas looks quite Aryan but I’d happily give her some Aryan kids either way…

    • Replies: @Escher
    I’m sure she’s waiting for you to call.
  157. @J1234
    I'm almost entirely of northwestern European ancestry and I consider Italians (as in ancestry) as white as other Europeans, and part of the spectrum of western beauty. People who are Sicilian are darker, and a variation.

    One thing that Italians tend to have over northern Europeans is better body and facial proportions. This is true of some (but certainly not all) other Mediterranean people, and some middle easterners and people like the Kurds. Not being quite as tall as nordics is part of the reason, IMO. Some of us with northern origins are a little gawky looking by nature, with noses that are often too small (though mine's too big) and legs too skinny. The young Sylvester Stallone was the epitome of well proportioned, both in face and body, and I think this (in part) was a function of his ethnic origins. The old Sylvester Stallone is really homely, though. I had a crush on an Italian girl in elementary school - all the boys did, because her face was perfectly proportioned, as was the relationship of her head and body size. The young Gina Lollabrigida had probably the most perfectly proportioned face of any actress of the film era. Not saying she was the most beautiful, but the proportional ideal.

    https://tostpost.com/images/2018-Mar/17/da877c5effae189ef64f61264627a442/3.jpg

    I agree. And think she has as good a claim on the #1 beauty spot as any other woman.

  158. @Jack D
    They were probably not actual Eurasians, just Thais with better looking (more Euro-like) features, just as these Indian beauty queens are mostly not mixed.

    I met a Thai girl in Japan and told her she looked very white for a Thai. She was genuinely flattered at the compliment lol

  159. Goa is a tourist destination. Lots of foreigners travel there and bring serious cash.

  160. @Jack D
    This was true at one time but not anymore. Mexicans are almost as obese as Americans nowadays.

    Almost?

    • Replies: @Lot
    We’re not #1 in anything anymore!

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mexico-takes-title-of-most-obese-from-america/
  161. @Hypnotoad666
    Miss Mexico

    https://st-listas.20minutos.es/images/2018-11/434605/5386974_640px.jpg?1544724530

    Miss Korea

    https://i1.wp.com/awardgoesto.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Baek-Ji-Hyun-Miss-Universe-Korea-2018.jpg?resize=400%2C600

    Miss Brazil

    https://www.rbsdirect.com.br/imagesrc/25073552.jpg?w=700

    Miss Brasil is probably 100% ethnic Italian if not German. Miss Mexico is probably on the white side of castiza. Miss Korea is kinda ugly…

  162. @Edward

    The only countries that don’t believe in the concept of the moral and aesthetic validity of white supremacy are white countries.
     
    People want what they don’t have. White women go out in the sun, or go to tanning salons, to become darker-skinned. Coming to think of it, many white men do this too: see the current President of the United States.

    I don’t think tanned skin was seen as attractive anywhere until the 1920s or so. Traditionally it signals you’re poor and have to labor in the sun to make a living.

  163. @Hannah Katz
    Let the Indians decide what they think is beautiful and butt out of their business. These international leftist busy bodies remind me of the leftist busy bodies in this country to try to dictate to states other than their own what laws those states will and will not pass. Tend to your own business and leave others alone.

    I’m pretty sure foreign leftists are just echoing the same thing that Indian leftists are. Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if right wing Indians were upset about this too, at least the dark ones.

  164. @peterike
    Well the question and answer round of Miss India is pretty much as vapid and ridiculous as you'd expect, though they ask a lot more girly questions ("which of these celebrities would you want to marry") and less PC setup drivel.

    Also, I really dislike Indian accents.

    https://youtu.be/ne9rpwpIKGA

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJgoTcyrFZ4&frags=pl%2Cwn

    Oh wow you need to watch this video LOL

  165. @MalePaleStale
    I must admit that one of my unrequited loves / crushes was a woman who was half White/ half Indian. She had a sweet personality and perfect features. My desire for a white ethnostate goes out the window when I think of her.

    Not everyone’s vision of an ethnostate would exclude her, especially if she’s of largely Indo-Aryan descent. A white ethnostate could even allow marriages to black people. But obviously the idea would be that these types of marriages would be rare and relatively discouraged.

  166. Ancient, almost pre-historic Dravidian cities Harappa and Mohenjo Daro had in-house running water and public sewage systems.

    The only time in history when India had a decent sewage system.

    On the other hand, Dravidians and Aryans are both Caucasian.

  167. Girl in law school was an Indian from Stateside. I didnt know her Indian ethnicity or caste. Her stunning blue eyes and skin tone made her look Italian or Persian. She had a little sister at the same college who looked much more “Indian”.

    Years later the alumni publication featured “Savitri” now running a high tech company. Now whats striking about her is her much paler skin.

  168. what caste are these women from ?

    Ever since the 1970s, when Fair and Lovely – India’s first fairness cream – was introduced, skin whitening cosmetics have been among the highest selling in the country and, over time, top Bollywood actors and actresses have appeared on billboards and TV adverts to help sell them.

    • Replies: @PV van der Byl
    It isn't just the skin-lightening cosmetics. One thing I have noticed about high-caste North Indian mothers: they are always telling their daughters to stay OUT of the sun!
    , @rec1man
    All these women are from upper castes

    and generally from North west India

    This is a low caste dravidian woman

    https://qahiri.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/dravidian-woman.jpg
  169. @Buffalo Joe
    rec1, great resume' enchancer..."ex porn star", like you retired your naughty bits.

    She moved to India and became a bollywood star

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    I did a Google image search on Sunny Leone for uh...research purposes...

    It was immediately evident that every inch of Sunny is quite beautiful.
  170. @Travis
    what caste are these women from ?

    Ever since the 1970s, when Fair and Lovely - India's first fairness cream - was introduced, skin whitening cosmetics have been among the highest selling in the country and, over time, top Bollywood actors and actresses have appeared on billboards and TV adverts to help sell them.

    It isn’t just the skin-lightening cosmetics. One thing I have noticed about high-caste North Indian mothers: they are always telling their daughters to stay OUT of the sun!

  171. @Achmed E. Newman
    Oh, come on! I can see a pretty diverse range myself, from C to DD.

    Yes, they are all very beautiful. There are only ~ 8 out of those 30 that I would have bet money on being dot-Indian, if I had seen them before reading this post.

    **************************
    Steve, I know you need donations. Can you answer whether the Valley Village address is secure for sending funds (8" x 11" envelope)? I gotta know that.
    **************************

    Sending uncut sheets? Outted as Steven Mnuchin or his lovely wife.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    If anyone ever makes a movie about the Trump administration, they should get Ed Helms to play Mnuchin
  172. @PV van der Byl
    Almost?
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Outted as Steven Mnuchin or his lovely wife.
     
    Damn close, Lot. No, I just work there as a custodian. Sure, sometimes people leave the strangest things in the recycling bin. You know how it is when you are daydreaming and you have sheets of money for shipment to the FED in one hand and an empty Coca~Cola can in the other and you get it backwards? It happens more than you think.

    I remember this pic from Zerohedge, BTW. I guess that's the sort of thing (a tour of YOUR national mint) that makes a girl happy.
  173. The most stunningly beautiful girl I ever dated, and I do know what I mean when I say stunning, had the following peculiar racial/ethnic admixture:

    25 percent Irish

    25 percent Dutch

    25 percent Franco-Vietnamese

    25 percent Norwegian/Dayak head-hunter people of Borneo (missionary marriage)

    Now if some club promoter could put together a private rave for just those types, we might well have a true Master Race on our hands….

  174. @AndrewR
    Bottom row, #2 is the hottest.

    I'm really surprised how many look Oriental.

    Bottom row #2 from the right has a knockout smile for sure.

    For me, her nose is just a bit over the line compared to the other ladies. Though, at this level we are truly splitting frog hairs and I personally would never turn down such an attractive young woman.

  175. @Travis
    what caste are these women from ?

    Ever since the 1970s, when Fair and Lovely - India's first fairness cream - was introduced, skin whitening cosmetics have been among the highest selling in the country and, over time, top Bollywood actors and actresses have appeared on billboards and TV adverts to help sell them.

    All these women are from upper castes

    and generally from North west India

    This is a low caste dravidian woman

    • Replies: @SkipJack
    She's ugly but she looks genuinely genuine if you know what I mean??

    Darker south Indians on average are much less cocky and arrogant compared to the relatively few Hindi speaking Northern Indians in the US. Much more soft spoken although they are as much ethnocentric but they don't have a fake air about themselves
    , @Dr Van Nostrand
    Thats a woman speaking a Dravidian language ,not of Dravidian genes. Blacks who speak English dont become Anglo Saxon. There are no shortage of people who look like that in the north speaking IA languages either. Though south had more miscgenation and upward mobility of these types than in the north and hence south Indians are considerably darker.
  176. @rec1man
    She moved to India and became a bollywood star

    I did a Google image search on Sunny Leone for uh…research purposes…

    It was immediately evident that every inch of Sunny is quite beautiful.

  177. @Lot
    We’re not #1 in anything anymore!

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mexico-takes-title-of-most-obese-from-america/

    Outted as Steven Mnuchin or his lovely wife.

    Damn close, Lot. No, I just work there as a custodian. Sure, sometimes people leave the strangest things in the recycling bin. You know how it is when you are daydreaming and you have sheets of money for shipment to the FED in one hand and an empty Coca~Cola can in the other and you get it backwards? It happens more than you think.

    I remember this pic from Zerohedge, BTW. I guess that’s the sort of thing (a tour of YOUR national mint) that makes a girl happy.

    • Replies: @Lot
    Such a happy couple, Zion and Germania, united in matrimony!

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7f/f0/c7/7ff0c7d0126a8267ed90c257b61ef1d9.jpg

    Best of luck on this one Steve, they say the third marriage’s a charm.
  178. These 2 women got elected last week to Indian parliament

    Mimi Chakraborty – Bengali brahmin

    Nusrat Jahan – Upper caste bengali muslim, with Pashtun ancestry

    Angoorlata Deka – a BJP member of Assam State legislature , a mix of upper caste Indo-Aryan and some Mongoloid blood

  179. @Noman
    Quick glance without spectacles and it looked like 30 head shots of the same woman in different poses and/or dresses. Homogenized.
    It's a small club.

    and YOU AIN’T IN IT!

    ;-}

  180. I’ll take the blonde. Oh, wait a minute…

  181. @AndrewR
    Bottom row, #2 is the hottest.

    I'm really surprised how many look Oriental.

    Well, you have different tastes than I. Your pick seems to be one that looks the most .Indian, Andrew. She should be the winner, by all rights. In the meantime, I’m sticking with my top 5, and eagerly await their responses on Sub-Continental-Cupid… so far no hits… it’s early over there though, so …

  182. @Tired of Not Winning
    I had to look it up. Circassia was a Northwest Caucasian country invaded by Russia. Many Circassians were displaced and today the largest population of Circassians can be found in Turkey(1m - 7m), Russia (720k), Jordan (65k-180k) and Syria (80k-120k).

    Interesting. I never thought Turks were particularly good looking.

    Russia fought for a long time to subdue the Caucasus, and as we know that goal was never fully accomplished; they’re still fighting there almost daily. Some things never change 😉 Same as we may yet be fighting in Afghanistan for at least a decade or more to come.

    (iSteve readers will recall the Tsarnaev brothers.)

    In Russian literature and cinema there’s a lot about this. Think Lermontov (“Mon dieu, un Circassian!”), Tolstoi, and even the late, great Sergei Bodrov, Jr.

  183. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Romanian
    My go to population for comparisons like this are the Circassians, who supposedly had the most beautiful women in the world. They still exist in pockets, but they have otherwise been wiped out or assimilated by others. Are the Europeans of the world Circassians in waiting?

    The only thing I knew about Circassian is that it was a kind of walnut especially valued for the stocks of high end shotguns (but not so much double rifles whose prodigious recoil leads makers to use somewhat less figured wood). Occasionally offcuts are used for facing on guitars of the “hippie sandwich” Alembic school as well. Damnably expensive.

    Whether it’s a different species or just due to the soil, climate, virgins pissing on the roots, whatever, I don’t know.

  184. @ConfirmationBias
    Sad but true. But this is also a country that for centuries has fetishized white skin, first under Brahmins at the top of the caste food-chain, and later under the British. If I’m not mistaken, india (among other countries like Brazil, japan, Singapore etc) is one of the largest producers and consumers of “fairness” skin creams. Many of these models regularly get their face and skin bleached with chemicals that include hydrogen peroxide. How many years do you think it’s going to take to overturn that indoctrination for generations?

    But it’s a beauty pageant, what do you expect? There was some article where the contestants whined about the food portions and being really hungry all the time and made to work out all the time while semi-starving. Third world problems 😎 .

    If I’m not mistaken, india (among other countries like Brazil, japan, Singapore etc) is one of the largest producers and consumers of “fairness” skin creams.

    Can confirm.

    I’ve spent considerable time in Asia. Skin lightening creams and treatment are big business.

    In these cultures dark skin = unattractive. White skin = attractive.

    Asian women go to great lengths to lighten and/or prevent darkening of their skin.

    • LOL: ConfirmationBias
    • Replies: @Moses
    Skin lightening is EVERYWHERE in Asia and India.

    https://www.marketingtochina.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Asian-and-skin-whitening.jpg

    https://anthropologyofcity.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/new-whitening-cream-100ml-korean-essence-mask-skin-care-free-gift-04.jpg

    http://www.brownpoliticalreview.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/13103725423_e4b6c6453d_o-897x494.jpg

    You get the idea.
  185. @DZK
    A significant minority of these women might have partial European ancestry from the colonial era. Many popular Indian actresses (e.g. Alia Bhatt, Katrina Kaif, Kareena Kapoor, Lara Dutta, Karisma Kapoor) have some European heritage, ranging from 1/2 to 1/8.

    On a similar note: the current Aga Khan, who is the hereditary spiritual leader of Ismaili Muslims, is a guy who looks like any aristocratic British gentleman. Both his father and grandfather married European women. So when he is acclaimed by his Ismaili devotees during his India visits, the image is quite striking.

    Eastern European Women marry Indians all the time, I guess to get out of EU. Also, I understand the crucial skin whitening issue area for Indians is located a bit lower.

    • Replies: @ConfirmationBias
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/01/us/spelling-bee-south-asians.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share

    Wonder why that is?
  186. @Buzz Mohawk
    I think you know me here, and if you do, you can guess that I mostly just like how that graphic shows the variety of colors among "White" people -- in contrast to the homogenous beauties pictured in Steve's post. I did not post it for the slogans at the bottom, though, like you, I think they are technically accurate.

    What is histrionic about that?

    With all due respect, I think you are displaying the exemplary restraint of a White frog, while the water gets hotter and hotter. White homelands and White populations are rather small compared to those of all the various brown people around the rest of the planet. Yet, the unprecedented mass migration is coming into our lands only. If that is not displacement, I don't know what is. The people coming here have only their own interests at heart, as they should, but we live here and have no place to go.

    Perhaps it is time for some White histrionics. After all, it is the lack of it, praised by you, that makes us sheep in a world full of brown wolves. The whitest people on Earth, the Swedes, are importing an entire replacement population into their small country, willingly, without any histrionics. That is the famous, reserved, Nordic, Christian personality for you.

    As for anti-White hatred, I am all-in with the slogan; I agree 100% that such hatred exists and is being promoted in epidemic form now in the United States. Furthermore, I do not agree with you that it is all the work of other Whites. The people coming here bear some responsibility. They have agency, just like all of us truly colorful White people -- but only we are held responsible, which fact is in itself a form of anti-White hatred.

    Well said!

  187. And here are the spelling bee champs.

    Rishik Gandhasri, 13, of San Jose, Calif.
    Erin Howard, 14, of Huntsville, Ala.
    Saketh Sundar, 13, of Clarksville, Md.
    Shruthika Padhy, 13, of Cherry Hill, N.J.
    Sohum Sukhatankar, 13, of Dallas
    Abhijay Kodali, 12, of Flower Mound, Tex.
    Christopher Serrao, 13, of Whitehouse Station, N.J.
    Rohan Raja, 13, of Irving, Tex

    • Replies: @Kibernetika
    Are you suggesting that there's a pattern to notice here ;)
  188. @peterike
    Your name is heard in high places
    You know the Aga Khan
    He sent you a race horse for Christmas
    And you keep it just for fun, for a laugh, ha-ha-ha


    They say that when you get married
    It'll be to a millionaire
    But they don't realize where you came from
    And I wonder if they really care, or give a damn


    But where do you go to my lovely
    When you're alone in your bed?
    Tell me the thoughts that surround you
    I want to look inside your head, yes I do


    https://youtu.be/L8XQZYIiNgo

    Nice choice of song and singer, especially since Peter Sarstedt was mixed race—Anglo-Indian.

  189. @Achmed E. Newman

    Outted as Steven Mnuchin or his lovely wife.
     
    Damn close, Lot. No, I just work there as a custodian. Sure, sometimes people leave the strangest things in the recycling bin. You know how it is when you are daydreaming and you have sheets of money for shipment to the FED in one hand and an empty Coca~Cola can in the other and you get it backwards? It happens more than you think.

    I remember this pic from Zerohedge, BTW. I guess that's the sort of thing (a tour of YOUR national mint) that makes a girl happy.

    Such a happy couple, Zion and Germania, united in matrimony!

    Best of luck on this one Steve, they say the third marriage’s a charm.

  190. @al anon
    Eastern European Women marry Indians all the time, I guess to get out of EU. Also, I understand the crucial skin whitening issue area for Indians is located a bit lower.
  191. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    People of color (or is that colored people - one is an insult and the other isn't and I can never remember which is which) are like Ford Model T's - you can have them in any color you want, as long as it's brown.

    Early Ford T’s came in various colors. They standardized on black because it dried faster, but by that time the T was already long in the tooth. Even by WWI standards it was a crude car and finally people lost interest in them at any price. Henry himself would have been content to keep making the T until demand entirely quit and walk away from carmaking but he had other stockholders who forced him to update and the Model A (the second Model A, the first production Ford was also a Model A) was the result. It was also somewhat crude but less so than the T and drove like all other cars by that time with “standard shift”, foot feed gas pedal, brake and clutch pedals.

    Fords were crude, they had the flathead V8 with its siamesed center exhaust ports that overheated and mechanical brakes until almost WWII. Other makes were generally better cars. GM took over from Ford as the number one maker and did not look back until Obama was president.

    California invented hot rodding because old Fords were very cheap and the steel mills far off, so the raw materials were incredibly cheap. Fords had little resale value because they were cheap new and people wanted better , more comfortable cars. The flathead Ford engine was the hot rodder’s choice because cores were cheap and plentiful. However, when the small block Chevy engine came out all the hot rodders switched to Chevy power within a few years. Ford lost the hot rod war because nothing interchanged and speed parts were expensive whereas on Chevys it all interchanged. Ford never learned the lesson, hasn’t to this day.

  192. I thought one of the reasons might be that there are more tamil Brahmins in the south (at least in the southern state of Tamil Nadu, which has been for the last 3 decades ahead of India’s Average on economic and social development parameters).

    To my surprise, I looked it up and found the percent of Brahmins in India is 5%, wherein Brahmin percentage in Tamil Nadu is 1.25%. Given the visibility and prominence of Brahmins in high positions across art, civil services and business (a disproportionate number of large industrial houses that contribute significantly to the economy of Tamil Nadu’s capital Madras, tend to be headed by Brahmins) I expected the numbers to be reversed. IMO the Brahmin community also tend to be like the Jewish community in the US – insular, rigid esoteric exclusionary (religious?) practices that only Brahmins are permitted to perform in society, and most importantly, very very cliquey in promoting mostly or only other Brahmins.

    (First-gen Indians in the US in general also tend to promote other Indians, but I hypothesize that’s for different reasons, specifically, you know another indian man with an H1-B visa and typically kids and an unable-to-work indian wife on a dependent visa, needs to stay in the US and hold to his job at all costs till his H1-B converts into a green card, which typically takes 12-15 years now given the backlog for Indians. So indian promote other H1B Indians cuz they’ll work harder, longer, and put up with any kind of shit that a sane white man or woman wouldn’t, cuz they’re not at risk of being thrown out of the country with their family if they lose their job.)

    So why then do Dravidians, who tend to marry closely and within their sub-castes, tend to fare better than their relatively more mixed-blood north and central Indian counterparts?

    • Replies: @rec1man
    In Tamil Nadu, the 98% Dravidians need 69% quota to compete vs the 2% Tamil Brahmins
    , @Dr Van Nostrand
    Brahmins are represented in the upper echelons of media,academia and until about two decades ago in entertainment.
    There are hardly any notable business enterprises owned by TN Brahmins. Unlike Jews, Brahmins generally dont well as entreprenuers. You may find brahmins as accountants , some Brahmin sub casts such as Karanam literally means accountant. They were also landowners but land in the pre modern was associated with the fighting nobility and Brahmins would usually acquire land as reward for their services not because they won it in war. Though there were not an insignificant number of Brahmin generals in TN history.

    Most of Dravidian lands were historically arid and unsuitable for agriculture. This inspired the Dravidian work ethic and wanderlust(Tamils are the only people who had a history of maritime naval conquests). Same goes for Rajasthan and Gujarat, home to prosperous mercantile communities as much of that land is desert and arid.
    The Hindi speaking states apart from Rajasthan are quite fertile and this maybe the cause of their relative lack of dynamism.
    Punjab also only became fertile due to extensive irrigation works courtesy of the British and Sikh reform movements which emphasised hard work. This coupled with the Punjabi Khatri refugee from Pakistan who tended to be successful as refugees with healthy cultures tend to be.
    Post independence Green and white revolutions which made Punjab the richest state with highest per capita income for much of the 80s and 90s were spearheaded by the south Indians. And they get massive subsidies from the central government paid for by south Indians who dont enjoy those subsidies.
    In return we get comments like those from rec1man disparaging south Indians. This is why I say the Indian union is a joke and a travesty on Indian(India as civilization ,not a nation) history.
    I will say just this , geographical determinism isnt everything. Even Dravidians in fertile regions such as Kerala and southern Karnataka have the same mindset to an extant. A lot of Dravidian dynamism may well be due to their militaristic past which they have channelled into more productive pursuits.
  193. anonymous[117] • Disclaimer says:
    @Intelligent Dasein
    Once there was an Indian couple who owned a liquor store I used to frequent. They were pretty much absentee landlords and rarely to be seen. Their lower class (and, I gather, much put upon) White staff took care of the daily operations while they were off doing whatever it is that they do. But one day in the store I chanced to see the man---and his wife.

    She was not as classically beautiful as any of these women. She was darker and fuller figured, with a rounder face. But there was something so hypnotically feminine about her that all my instincts sprang into action. I passed her in the aisle and we had one of those moments where the world stops turning. I looked at her with a firm and breathless determination. She looked back at me with that peculiar expression of female desire that is scarcely to be distinguished from anger. We lingered for a moment, and went our ways.

    Of course it was not to be; but that moment, now 7 years passed, is firmly planted in my mind. I always hoped that I would see that woman again, but I never did.

    Citizen Kane: re the girl in the white dress…

    “This quote comes at the beginning of Bernstein’s recollections of his relationship with Kane, when he talks to Thompson about what “Rosebud” could possibly mean. Bernstein goes on to tell Thompson an anecdote of how, back in 1896, he was on a ferry and saw a girl on another ferry. She was wearing a white dress and holding a white parasol. Although he saw her only for a second, he says that a month hasn’t gone by since then that he hasn’t thought of her. ”

    Memory, and loss, Mr. Dasein…we have all been there.

  194. Anonymous[394] • Disclaimer says:

    Truthfully, there are plenty of really attractive dark skinned Dravidian girls. They have really sharp features, great skin, straight black hair. Like Rihanna but much hotter. But they don’t get the time of day because they’re dark skinned. Once India gets over its light skin hangup we will see a lot more hottie diversity.

    • Replies: @rec1man
    In Dravidian States like Andhra and Tamil Nadu, they import Aryan actresses

    The typical dravidian ( Telugu - Tamil ) film has Dravidian hero paired with Aryan heroine

    They import Aryan film actresses, Brahmins , Punjabis, Bollywood rejects and even actual white girls - Amy Jackson and Kalki Koechlin
  195. @syonredux
    Hey, Italy has produced some outstandingly beautiful women:

    https://fedrationcouture.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/sophia_loren_521.jpg

    https://earthenergyreader.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/monica-bellucci-1024x768-24236.jpg



    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/1d/d7/90/1dd7905891fc62df0caf76e6bcb90376.jpg


    https://ilarge.lisimg.com/image/6236658/740full-maria-grazia-cucinotta.jpg
  196. @Roger
    And here are the spelling bee champs.

    Rishik Gandhasri, 13, of San Jose, Calif.
    Erin Howard, 14, of Huntsville, Ala.
    Saketh Sundar, 13, of Clarksville, Md.
    Shruthika Padhy, 13, of Cherry Hill, N.J.
    Sohum Sukhatankar, 13, of Dallas
    Abhijay Kodali, 12, of Flower Mound, Tex.
    Christopher Serrao, 13, of Whitehouse Station, N.J.
    Rohan Raja, 13, of Irving, Tex

    Are you suggesting that there’s a pattern to notice here 😉

  197. Don’t tell your regular run of the mill North Indian hindoo nationalist that his ancestors were invaders from the steepe. Or better yet do tell him that (and see him getting flushed) unless you are in a dusty North Indian village feeling adventurous.

    They believe in the exact reverse as in the steepe Aryans originated in India and then bravely went on conquering the steepe. They are the most zealous supporters of Hindoo nationalism by and large. So to have foreign DNA is akin to blasphemy

    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand
    Out of India (OIT) Aryan expansion is a fringe theory restricted to some professional classes sympathetic to the BJP. No scholar of worth in India takes it seriously.
    Until about 15 years ago most of the Hindutva believe in the Aryan invasion and even believed they civilized Dravidians.
  198. @AndrewR
    Bottom row, #2 is the hottest.

    I'm really surprised how many look Oriental.

    I’m really surprised how many look Oriental.

    Perhaps not surprising when you consider that the natives of the easternmost states of India are Oriental, and that they are also the most consistently likely to have lighter skin, of all Indian regional types.

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
    The second picture has the word Arunachal Mirror. This means they are from South Tibet. India invaded and annexed South Tibet in 1951, four years after the creation of India when the British Raj left the subcontinent. South Tibet includes Tawang, birthplace of the Sixth Dalai Lama and home to a four hundred years old Tibetan monastery. In 1987 India make South Tibet a state and renamed it to Arunachal Pradesh in an attempt to fool the world that this is part of India.

    Today Arunachal Pradesh is restless and the people there are seething with anger and India knows it. This is the reason India imposes AFSPA on AP. AFSPA (Armed Force Special Power Act) gives the state the power to detain or kill anyone with impunity. It is a law meant to suppress dissents. AFSPA is imposed on area India deemed 'disturbed', such as AP and Kashmir. AP officially became a United Nation recognized disputed territory in 2009, just like Kashmir is a United Nation recognized disputed territory since 1947.

    I am sure you will never read about this in MSM. This is why unz.com is so great!

    , @Stan
    DB Cooper is parroting Chicom propaganda.
  199. The preference for lighter skin, and more “European” features seems to be invariant, over the decades.

    From the link I posted above.

    Miss India 1952.

    MissIndia 1959

    Miss India 1966

    Miss India 1976

    Miss India 1989

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    Miss India 1976 looks kinda like Sheena Easton.
    , @Dr Van Nostrand
    There were certainly a lot more Miss Indias who tended to be mixed or Parsi or Jewish (the first Miss India was a Baghdadi Jewish girl ) . Back then Hindus and Muslims who were traditionalist and unmixed saw such activities such as modeling and acting as disreputable and forbade their daughters from participating in them.
    , @Corvinus
    Miss India 1989 looks like Liz Taylor.

    "It’s okay to be white (in India). The only countries that don’t believe in the aesthetic validity of white supremacy are white countries."

    Thanks for the click bait, Mr. Sailer. The fact of the matter is it's OK for white men to date, mate, and procreate with white women or non-white women.
  200. @ConfirmationBias
    I thought one of the reasons might be that there are more tamil Brahmins in the south (at least in the southern state of Tamil Nadu, which has been for the last 3 decades ahead of India’s Average on economic and social development parameters).

    To my surprise, I looked it up and found the percent of Brahmins in India is 5%, wherein Brahmin percentage in Tamil Nadu is 1.25%. Given the visibility and prominence of Brahmins in high positions across art, civil services and business (a disproportionate number of large industrial houses that contribute significantly to the economy of Tamil Nadu’s capital Madras, tend to be headed by Brahmins) I expected the numbers to be reversed. IMO the Brahmin community also tend to be like the Jewish community in the US - insular, rigid esoteric exclusionary (religious?) practices that only Brahmins are permitted to perform in society, and most importantly, very very cliquey in promoting mostly or only other Brahmins.

    (First-gen Indians in the US in general also tend to promote other Indians, but I hypothesize that’s for different reasons, specifically, you know another indian man with an H1-B visa and typically kids and an unable-to-work indian wife on a dependent visa, needs to stay in the US and hold to his job at all costs till his H1-B converts into a green card, which typically takes 12-15 years now given the backlog for Indians. So indian promote other H1B Indians cuz they’ll work harder, longer, and put up with any kind of shit that a sane white man or woman wouldn’t, cuz they’re not at risk of being thrown out of the country with their family if they lose their job.)

    So why then do Dravidians, who tend to marry closely and within their sub-castes, tend to fare better than their relatively more mixed-blood north and central Indian counterparts?

    In Tamil Nadu, the 98% Dravidians need 69% quota to compete vs the 2% Tamil Brahmins

    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand
    98% of non Aryan Tamil Nadu has the highest GDP and is the most industrialized and among the orderly and prosperous states. 100% Aryan Kashmir , Pakistan and Afghanistan are hell holes. Close to 80% Aryan UP is among poorest states with a high degree of criminality despite all the lavish funding it recieves from the central government compared to TN.
    Spin it anyway you try to . TN and Kerala are doing just find without your Aryan contribution
  201. @Anonymous
    Truthfully, there are plenty of really attractive dark skinned Dravidian girls. They have really sharp features, great skin, straight black hair. Like Rihanna but much hotter. But they don't get the time of day because they're dark skinned. Once India gets over its light skin hangup we will see a lot more hottie diversity.

    In Dravidian States like Andhra and Tamil Nadu, they import Aryan actresses

    The typical dravidian ( Telugu – Tamil ) film has Dravidian hero paired with Aryan heroine

    They import Aryan film actresses, Brahmins , Punjabis, Bollywood rejects and even actual white girls – Amy Jackson and Kalki Koechlin

    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand
    It works the other way, the 80s were ruled by South Indian actresses. Only one of whom was Brahmin.
    But unfortunately they had the bad habit of snagging Bollywood producers (not actors usually) who were happily and tag along merrily as the 2nd wife. This caused alarm in south Indian society and becoming actresses was sternly discouraged.
    I really dont know why rec1man is all butthurt these days about south Indians.
    FYI it was Bollywood Punjabis who started the trend of hiring white chicks in Indian roles such as that Brazillian broad who played the character of Harleen Kaur LOL. First clean your house, then cast aspersions on others.
    Really the Indian Union is rather a joke. As one can see ethnic animosities are rather strong. The 2010s saw the breakup of WWI monstroties such as Syria and Iraq(almost exactly 100 years later), perhaps India and Pakistan await the same fate in 2040s?
  202. @PiltdownMan

    I’m really surprised how many look Oriental.
     
    Perhaps not surprising when you consider that the natives of the easternmost states of India are Oriental, and that they are also the most consistently likely to have lighter skin, of all Indian regional types.

    http://syllad.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Tanvi.jpg
    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/LFZshYn9WcU/maxresdefault.jpg

    The second picture has the word Arunachal Mirror. This means they are from South Tibet. India invaded and annexed South Tibet in 1951, four years after the creation of India when the British Raj left the subcontinent. South Tibet includes Tawang, birthplace of the Sixth Dalai Lama and home to a four hundred years old Tibetan monastery. In 1987 India make South Tibet a state and renamed it to Arunachal Pradesh in an attempt to fool the world that this is part of India.

    Today Arunachal Pradesh is restless and the people there are seething with anger and India knows it. This is the reason India imposes AFSPA on AP. AFSPA (Armed Force Special Power Act) gives the state the power to detain or kill anyone with impunity. It is a law meant to suppress dissents. AFSPA is imposed on area India deemed ‘disturbed’, such as AP and Kashmir. AP officially became a United Nation recognized disputed territory in 2009, just like Kashmir is a United Nation recognized disputed territory since 1947.

    I am sure you will never read about this in MSM. This is why unz.com is so great!

    • Replies: @SkipJack
    The Indian army, especially the foot soldiers, like everywhere else, is made up of done of the poorest folks in the country. Combine that with relative difference in their looks vis a vis those under occupation, like the oriental looking north easterners and the more Caucasian looking Kashmiris, and you have a disaster.

    Like everywhere else, the army is not subject to local laws as the area is considered "disturbed". So I presume there must be a lot of sexual assaults and rapes happening over there. It's like having virile sub Saharan African soldiers to keep the piece in say the Czech Republic. Add to that the uneasy equation as the soldiers are mostly Hindoo while the North easterners Christian and the Kashmiris Moslem and it's a sexual disaster
    , @Dr Van Nostrand
    You are like a stuck record on this topic. unz.com maybe great but your comments are not.
    For the record, I dont think India has any business in Sikkim, Arunachal Pradesh or most northeastern states but then neither does China. For that matter China has no business in Tibet either. Cant wait until these unholy monstrosities Indian and China collapse under the weight of their contradictions and oppression and ethnic states enjoy autonomy and prosperity.
  203. @Anon
    Spelling Bees are heavily Indian.

    Spelling Bees are heavily Indian.

    Yes, that’s what I meant. There are, I believe, more tigers in India than in China.

  204. @PiltdownMan
    The preference for lighter skin, and more "European" features seems to be invariant, over the decades.

    From the link I posted above.

    Miss India 1952.

    https://im.indiatimes.in/content/itimes/photo/2016/Apr/12/1460439163-miss-india-nutan-1952.jpg

    MissIndia 1959
    http://indpaedia.com/ind/images/f/ff/Fleur_Ezekiel1.jpg

    Miss India 1966

    http://indpaedia.com/ind/images/e/ef/Yasmin_Daji1.jpg

    Miss India 1976

    https://im.indiatimes.in/content/itimes/photo/2016/Apr/12/1460439150-miss-india-nafisa-ali-1976.jpg

    Miss India 1989

    https://im.indiatimes.in/content/itimes/photo/2016/Apr/12/1460439139-miss-india-world-naveeda-mehdi-1989.jpg

    Miss India 1976 looks kinda like Sheena Easton.

  205. @Lot
    Sending uncut sheets? Outted as Steven Mnuchin or his lovely wife.

    http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/5a0c918f35876e33028b6379-1190-625/steven-mnuchin-just-showed-off-the-first-dollar-bills-with-his-signature--and-the-internet-is-having-a-field-day.jpg

    If anyone ever makes a movie about the Trump administration, they should get Ed Helms to play Mnuchin

  206. @AndrewR
    Ms Vas looks quite Aryan but I'd happily give her some Aryan kids either way...

    I’m sure she’s waiting for you to call.

    • LOL: AndrewR
  207. @Jus' Sayin'...
    Steve:

    This is off topic but there's been another fake "hateful behavior" incident, this time at the Boston Museum of Fine Arts. Some Negro students on a field trip to the Museum - undoubtedly subsidized by the membership fees of privileged Whites like me - complained of race-based harassment. There's been the usual brouhaha and virtue signalling responses by a Mr. Matthew Teitelbaum, Ann and Graham Gund Director.

    I received an email from the Museum to dues paying members, which contains a link to the Museum's response here: https://www.mfa.org/about/toward-a-more-inclusive-mfa?utm_source=dm_development_miscellaneous&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=development&utm_content=version_A&promo=20498.

    This site contains, in turn, a link to the Museum's investigation of the supposed incidents here: https://www.mfa.org/news/update-may-2019

    The bottom line is that a group of Negro students from a local "academy" went into the Museum on a free field trip with chips on their shoulders and looking for grievances. They construed - probably deliberately - a warning that water bottles were not allowed in the museum as a warning not to bring watermelons into the museum. They made the unfounded, paranoid assertion that they were being trailed by Museum guards when they weren't. And they accused two museum patrons of harassing them. My suspicion, based on my own recent experiences and observations in the Museum, is that these two patrons were probably complaining about unacceptable behavior, not realizing that Negroes are now exempt from any reasonable controls on their behavior by Whites.

    At any rate, a condign example has been made of these two poor fools and the Museum is virtue signalling like hell despite the absence of any scandal except a Jussie-Smollet-like attempt to create one by ungrateful Negro recipients of the Museum's largesse.

    ICYMI (#56)

  208. Anon[483] • Disclaimer says:
    @J1234
    I'm almost entirely of northwestern European ancestry and I consider Italians (as in ancestry) as white as other Europeans, and part of the spectrum of western beauty. People who are Sicilian are darker, and a variation.

    One thing that Italians tend to have over northern Europeans is better body and facial proportions. This is true of some (but certainly not all) other Mediterranean people, and some middle easterners and people like the Kurds. Not being quite as tall as nordics is part of the reason, IMO. Some of us with northern origins are a little gawky looking by nature, with noses that are often too small (though mine's too big) and legs too skinny. The young Sylvester Stallone was the epitome of well proportioned, both in face and body, and I think this (in part) was a function of his ethnic origins. The old Sylvester Stallone is really homely, though. I had a crush on an Italian girl in elementary school - all the boys did, because her face was perfectly proportioned, as was the relationship of her head and body size. The young Gina Lollabrigida had probably the most perfectly proportioned face of any actress of the film era. Not saying she was the most beautiful, but the proportional ideal.

    https://tostpost.com/images/2018-Mar/17/da877c5effae189ef64f61264627a442/3.jpg

    That’s why I specified deep southern Italy. North to south, there is a big difference in ancestry in that small country.

    “There is a noticeable genetic difference between Sardinians, Northern Italians and Southern Italians,” says Wikipedia.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_Italy

    This is true of most places that have been continuously inhabited for millennia, including China and Japan, a clinal north-south blending of peoples.

  209. @Buzz Mohawk
    Your reply is what is revealing. We are not talking about color values or saturation, but actual hues, and the European race possesses them in more variety, among larger numbers of people, than anyone else on Earth.

    https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/0*A7_GCGbfZ0hzCD1Y.png


    Seriously, Australo-Melanesians?

    You left out tone, tint, and shade, in their technical senses.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    LOL. Okay, but don't those come about just by combining light, medium and dark values of light with whatever hue (color) you are working with? My point it that hue is what we think of as color, comes from different frequencies of light waves, and is present in more varieties among "White" people -- in their eyes, hair and skin.

    The person to whom I was responding was making the "retarded" (to use his word) mistake of equating differences in value with differences in hue. Most of the eyes, hair and skin among members of the other races is various values of yellow hue. (We call it brown when it has low light value, olive or tan when medium, etc.)

    How many emerald-green-eyed, red-haired, pink-skinned, freckled people can we find outside the European race? How many blue-eyed blonds?

    How many beautiful, ivory-skinned, black-haired women with bright-sapphire-blue eyes and rosy-red lips (everywhere ;)) are there outside our kind? (I dated one of those, and she was, to use a cliché, stunning.)

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/58/c7/b8/58c7b80419c61a09c192a41638038f89.jpg
  210. @Moses

    If I’m not mistaken, india (among other countries like Brazil, japan, Singapore etc) is one of the largest producers and consumers of “fairness” skin creams.
     
    Can confirm.

    I’ve spent considerable time in Asia. Skin lightening creams and treatment are big business.

    In these cultures dark skin = unattractive. White skin = attractive.

    Asian women go to great lengths to lighten and/or prevent darkening of their skin.

    http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/245778/slide_245778_1407216_free.jpg

    Skin lightening is EVERYWHERE in Asia and India.

    You get the idea.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Imagine all those poor models walking around Asia with their faces half light and half dark!

    What happened to you, Kareema?

    Oh, nothing, I was just in a skin lightener ad.
  211. @Anon
    You left out tone, tint, and shade, in their technical senses.

    LOL. Okay, but don’t those come about just by combining light, medium and dark values of light with whatever hue (color) you are working with? My point it that hue is what we think of as color, comes from different frequencies of light waves, and is present in more varieties among “White” people — in their eyes, hair and skin.

    The person to whom I was responding was making the “retarded” (to use his word) mistake of equating differences in value with differences in hue. Most of the eyes, hair and skin among members of the other races is various values of yellow hue. (We call it brown when it has low light value, olive or tan when medium, etc.)

    How many emerald-green-eyed, red-haired, pink-skinned, freckled people can we find outside the European race? How many blue-eyed blonds?

    How many beautiful, ivory-skinned, black-haired women with bright-sapphire-blue eyes and rosy-red lips (everywhere ;)) are there outside our kind? (I dated one of those, and she was, to use a cliché, stunning.)

  212. @Dr van nostrand
    All except Kapoors are part European. Kapoors hail originally from northwest Pakistan . Hence their fair skin and light eyes.

    All except Kapoors are part European.

    No. Karishma and Kareena have an English grandmother. I’ve heard the latter explicitly say so in an interview.

    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand
    Kareena and Karisma's uncle is Shashi Kapoor who appeared in some earlier Merchant Ivory works. His wife was English. Her Grandparents was the patriarch Prithviraj Kapoor and his wife had a typically Indian name Ramsarni Mehra. Shashi Kapoor had a son and daughter both blonde and blue eyed, they tried their hand at Bollywood but couldnt cut it.
    Indian capacity and appreciation for whiteness is restricted to the type of looks of complexion that fair Caucasoid Indians can achieve. Amy Jackson for example , an English actress, often with Indian make up and clothing passes for a fair skinned Indian rather than say a flaxen haired Norweigan Indian's first impression of British merchants were less than flattering and thought they looked ill. They also did not think too highly of Persian looks and language "the appearance and looks of screeching owls" is how princesses of Vijayanagara described their encounter with Persians in neighboring Persian Bahmani kingdom in the 15th century.
    Apart from Katreena Kaif,most famous, well numerated actresses such as Pooja Hedge, Vidya Balan, Deepika Padukone, Sonam Kapoor etc dont have any foreign blood. And the first three are south Indian.
  213. @Jett Rucker
    Not a blonde in a carload. Even Miss Japan a couple years ago was half black-African. Miss JAPAN!

    Even Miss Japan a couple years ago was half black-African.

    Nope, half-Indian.

    • Replies: @PaceLaw
    Nope, half black.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/05/13/japans-half-black-miss-universe-says-discrimination-gives-her-extra-motivation/?utm_term=.b7c5da034ddb
  214. @Federalist
    If they’re photoshopped to look whiter, that probably adds more weight to the argument that lighter skin is the beauty ideal in India.

    If they’re photoshopped to look whiter, that probably adds more weight to the argument that lighter skin is the beauty ideal in India.

    True, but these photos are for show. Photographers and printers almost instinctively lighten photos (they did it to me a few years ago, making me look kind-of Italian.) My point was that these women are selected by judges who can see exactly what their skin-colors are, and darker-skinned women often get selected if they are smarter and have better personalities (though their pictures then get “lightened”.)

    A backlash has been brewing in India against the light-skin fetish for many years now. So our elites and upper-middle class people will talk in very politically correct ways about skin color. But then India is really many countries and many eras put together. Every generation, a huge mass of people who are mentally living in the Bronze Age get a little more prosperous, and a foothold in the middle class, but until they become really well-off retain the skin-color preferences of the past (which indeed favored paler tones.)

  215. @DB Cooper
    The second picture has the word Arunachal Mirror. This means they are from South Tibet. India invaded and annexed South Tibet in 1951, four years after the creation of India when the British Raj left the subcontinent. South Tibet includes Tawang, birthplace of the Sixth Dalai Lama and home to a four hundred years old Tibetan monastery. In 1987 India make South Tibet a state and renamed it to Arunachal Pradesh in an attempt to fool the world that this is part of India.

    Today Arunachal Pradesh is restless and the people there are seething with anger and India knows it. This is the reason India imposes AFSPA on AP. AFSPA (Armed Force Special Power Act) gives the state the power to detain or kill anyone with impunity. It is a law meant to suppress dissents. AFSPA is imposed on area India deemed 'disturbed', such as AP and Kashmir. AP officially became a United Nation recognized disputed territory in 2009, just like Kashmir is a United Nation recognized disputed territory since 1947.

    I am sure you will never read about this in MSM. This is why unz.com is so great!

    The Indian army, especially the foot soldiers, like everywhere else, is made up of done of the poorest folks in the country. Combine that with relative difference in their looks vis a vis those under occupation, like the oriental looking north easterners and the more Caucasian looking Kashmiris, and you have a disaster.

    Like everywhere else, the army is not subject to local laws as the area is considered “disturbed”. So I presume there must be a lot of sexual assaults and rapes happening over there. It’s like having virile sub Saharan African soldiers to keep the piece in say the Czech Republic. Add to that the uneasy equation as the soldiers are mostly Hindoo while the North easterners Christian and the Kashmiris Moslem and it’s a sexual disaster

    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand
    Hahaha! No. Kashmiri women really arent all that. Women of Himachal Pradesh for instance are much prettier.
    The Indian army had a reduction in quality since Sikhs refused to join in large numbers since the late 90s and you had indisciplined ,patriarchal types from Hindi speaking states filling in the void. Most of the Indian army is a north Indian racket. Many of whom dont look all that different from Kashmiris
    Meanwhile the Tamils who are rather dark had a deadly militia called the LTTE across the strait and they were famous for their stern discipline. Any member found guilty of raping the enemy Sinhala women(who were fairer) was put to death.
    Similarly the Naxalite(communist guerillas) are mostly from Andhra Pradesh in southern India who run circles around the Indian army in nothern states. They are appreciated and respected because while they do use kill villagers they refrain from rape.

    Regarding subsaharan soldiers in Europe. France post WWI used African soldiers to keep the peace on the German border and simply laughed when German women were raped by Africans. This was one of the many reasons Germans gravitated to a certain Mr. Schikelgruber who put an end to these disgraces.The French also let loose Morrocan troops loose on those poor Italian women in closing days of WWII just because they could. The French were rather ghoulish that way.
  216. @PiltdownMan

    I’m really surprised how many look Oriental.
     
    Perhaps not surprising when you consider that the natives of the easternmost states of India are Oriental, and that they are also the most consistently likely to have lighter skin, of all Indian regional types.

    http://syllad.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Tanvi.jpg
    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/LFZshYn9WcU/maxresdefault.jpg

    DB Cooper is parroting Chicom propaganda.

  217. @Numinous

    All except Kapoors are part European.
     
    No. Karishma and Kareena have an English grandmother. I've heard the latter explicitly say so in an interview.

    Kareena and Karisma’s uncle is Shashi Kapoor who appeared in some earlier Merchant Ivory works. His wife was English. Her Grandparents was the patriarch Prithviraj Kapoor and his wife had a typically Indian name Ramsarni Mehra. Shashi Kapoor had a son and daughter both blonde and blue eyed, they tried their hand at Bollywood but couldnt cut it.
    Indian capacity and appreciation for whiteness is restricted to the type of looks of complexion that fair Caucasoid Indians can achieve. Amy Jackson for example , an English actress, often with Indian make up and clothing passes for a fair skinned Indian rather than say a flaxen haired Norweigan Indian’s first impression of British merchants were less than flattering and thought they looked ill. They also did not think too highly of Persian looks and language “the appearance and looks of screeching owls” is how princesses of Vijayanagara described their encounter with Persians in neighboring Persian Bahmani kingdom in the 15th century.
    Apart from Katreena Kaif,most famous, well numerated actresses such as Pooja Hedge, Vidya Balan, Deepika Padukone, Sonam Kapoor etc dont have any foreign blood. And the first three are south Indian.

    • Replies: @Numinous
    It's her maternal grandmother, "Barbara" Shivdasani: https://www.rediff.com/movies/report/pix-kareena-karisma-at-grandmothers-prayer-meet/20160505.htm
  218. @DB Cooper
    The second picture has the word Arunachal Mirror. This means they are from South Tibet. India invaded and annexed South Tibet in 1951, four years after the creation of India when the British Raj left the subcontinent. South Tibet includes Tawang, birthplace of the Sixth Dalai Lama and home to a four hundred years old Tibetan monastery. In 1987 India make South Tibet a state and renamed it to Arunachal Pradesh in an attempt to fool the world that this is part of India.

    Today Arunachal Pradesh is restless and the people there are seething with anger and India knows it. This is the reason India imposes AFSPA on AP. AFSPA (Armed Force Special Power Act) gives the state the power to detain or kill anyone with impunity. It is a law meant to suppress dissents. AFSPA is imposed on area India deemed 'disturbed', such as AP and Kashmir. AP officially became a United Nation recognized disputed territory in 2009, just like Kashmir is a United Nation recognized disputed territory since 1947.

    I am sure you will never read about this in MSM. This is why unz.com is so great!

    You are like a stuck record on this topic. unz.com maybe great but your comments are not.
    For the record, I dont think India has any business in Sikkim, Arunachal Pradesh or most northeastern states but then neither does China. For that matter China has no business in Tibet either. Cant wait until these unholy monstrosities Indian and China collapse under the weight of their contradictions and oppression and ethnic states enjoy autonomy and prosperity.

  219. @L Woods
    Lol, ok dude. Here we see the mirror image of iSteve boomer thirst: white nationalist pointy elbow syndrome. She's "ethnic," therefore meh, I've totally done better with my obese but blonde and blue eyed welfare queen wife.

    i·ro·ny1
    /ˈīrənē/
    noun
    the expression of one’s meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect.

  220. @rec1man
    In Tamil Nadu, the 98% Dravidians need 69% quota to compete vs the 2% Tamil Brahmins

    98% of non Aryan Tamil Nadu has the highest GDP and is the most industrialized and among the orderly and prosperous states. 100% Aryan Kashmir , Pakistan and Afghanistan are hell holes. Close to 80% Aryan UP is among poorest states with a high degree of criminality despite all the lavish funding it recieves from the central government compared to TN.
    Spin it anyway you try to . TN and Kerala are doing just find without your Aryan contribution

  221. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    As an Italian I consider myself to be an Honorary White on the basis that, despite my resemblance to Mumar Khadafi, some of my immediate family members have blue eyes.
    Sadly that’s not enough to cut the mustard with my wife who insists I’m not White, but a “Swarthyite”.
     
    "Garibaldi didn't unite Italy, he divided Africa!"

    The French had a similar snide comment about Spain “Europe starts at the Pyrnees”

  222. @rec1man
    In Dravidian States like Andhra and Tamil Nadu, they import Aryan actresses

    The typical dravidian ( Telugu - Tamil ) film has Dravidian hero paired with Aryan heroine

    They import Aryan film actresses, Brahmins , Punjabis, Bollywood rejects and even actual white girls - Amy Jackson and Kalki Koechlin

    It works the other way, the 80s were ruled by South Indian actresses. Only one of whom was Brahmin.
    But unfortunately they had the bad habit of snagging Bollywood producers (not actors usually) who were happily and tag along merrily as the 2nd wife. This caused alarm in south Indian society and becoming actresses was sternly discouraged.
    I really dont know why rec1man is all butthurt these days about south Indians.
    FYI it was Bollywood Punjabis who started the trend of hiring white chicks in Indian roles such as that Brazillian broad who played the character of Harleen Kaur LOL. First clean your house, then cast aspersions on others.
    Really the Indian Union is rather a joke. As one can see ethnic animosities are rather strong. The 2010s saw the breakup of WWI monstroties such as Syria and Iraq(almost exactly 100 years later), perhaps India and Pakistan await the same fate in 2040s?

  223. @PiltdownMan
    The preference for lighter skin, and more "European" features seems to be invariant, over the decades.

    From the link I posted above.

    Miss India 1952.

    https://im.indiatimes.in/content/itimes/photo/2016/Apr/12/1460439163-miss-india-nutan-1952.jpg

    MissIndia 1959
    http://indpaedia.com/ind/images/f/ff/Fleur_Ezekiel1.jpg

    Miss India 1966

    http://indpaedia.com/ind/images/e/ef/Yasmin_Daji1.jpg

    Miss India 1976

    https://im.indiatimes.in/content/itimes/photo/2016/Apr/12/1460439150-miss-india-nafisa-ali-1976.jpg

    Miss India 1989

    https://im.indiatimes.in/content/itimes/photo/2016/Apr/12/1460439139-miss-india-world-naveeda-mehdi-1989.jpg

    There were certainly a lot more Miss Indias who tended to be mixed or Parsi or Jewish (the first Miss India was a Baghdadi Jewish girl ) . Back then Hindus and Muslims who were traditionalist and unmixed saw such activities such as modeling and acting as disreputable and forbade their daughters from participating in them.

  224. @ConfirmationBias
    I thought one of the reasons might be that there are more tamil Brahmins in the south (at least in the southern state of Tamil Nadu, which has been for the last 3 decades ahead of India’s Average on economic and social development parameters).

    To my surprise, I looked it up and found the percent of Brahmins in India is 5%, wherein Brahmin percentage in Tamil Nadu is 1.25%. Given the visibility and prominence of Brahmins in high positions across art, civil services and business (a disproportionate number of large industrial houses that contribute significantly to the economy of Tamil Nadu’s capital Madras, tend to be headed by Brahmins) I expected the numbers to be reversed. IMO the Brahmin community also tend to be like the Jewish community in the US - insular, rigid esoteric exclusionary (religious?) practices that only Brahmins are permitted to perform in society, and most importantly, very very cliquey in promoting mostly or only other Brahmins.

    (First-gen Indians in the US in general also tend to promote other Indians, but I hypothesize that’s for different reasons, specifically, you know another indian man with an H1-B visa and typically kids and an unable-to-work indian wife on a dependent visa, needs to stay in the US and hold to his job at all costs till his H1-B converts into a green card, which typically takes 12-15 years now given the backlog for Indians. So indian promote other H1B Indians cuz they’ll work harder, longer, and put up with any kind of shit that a sane white man or woman wouldn’t, cuz they’re not at risk of being thrown out of the country with their family if they lose their job.)

    So why then do Dravidians, who tend to marry closely and within their sub-castes, tend to fare better than their relatively more mixed-blood north and central Indian counterparts?

    Brahmins are represented in the upper echelons of media,academia and until about two decades ago in entertainment.
    There are hardly any notable business enterprises owned by TN Brahmins. Unlike Jews, Brahmins generally dont well as entreprenuers. You may find brahmins as accountants , some Brahmin sub casts such as Karanam literally means accountant. They were also landowners but land in the pre modern was associated with the fighting nobility and Brahmins would usually acquire land as reward for their services not because they won it in war. Though there were not an insignificant number of Brahmin generals in TN history.

    Most of Dravidian lands were historically arid and unsuitable for agriculture. This inspired the Dravidian work ethic and wanderlust(Tamils are the only people who had a history of maritime naval conquests). Same goes for Rajasthan and Gujarat, home to prosperous mercantile communities as much of that land is desert and arid.
    The Hindi speaking states apart from Rajasthan are quite fertile and this maybe the cause of their relative lack of dynamism.
    Punjab also only became fertile due to extensive irrigation works courtesy of the British and Sikh reform movements which emphasised hard work. This coupled with the Punjabi Khatri refugee from Pakistan who tended to be successful as refugees with healthy cultures tend to be.
    Post independence Green and white revolutions which made Punjab the richest state with highest per capita income for much of the 80s and 90s were spearheaded by the south Indians. And they get massive subsidies from the central government paid for by south Indians who dont enjoy those subsidies.
    In return we get comments like those from rec1man disparaging south Indians. This is why I say the Indian union is a joke and a travesty on Indian(India as civilization ,not a nation) history.
    I will say just this , geographical determinism isnt everything. Even Dravidians in fertile regions such as Kerala and southern Karnataka have the same mindset to an extant. A lot of Dravidian dynamism may well be due to their militaristic past which they have channelled into more productive pursuits.

  225. @SkipJack
    Don't tell your regular run of the mill North Indian hindoo nationalist that his ancestors were invaders from the steepe. Or better yet do tell him that (and see him getting flushed) unless you are in a dusty North Indian village feeling adventurous.

    They believe in the exact reverse as in the steepe Aryans originated in India and then bravely went on conquering the steepe. They are the most zealous supporters of Hindoo nationalism by and large. So to have foreign DNA is akin to blasphemy

    Out of India (OIT) Aryan expansion is a fringe theory restricted to some professional classes sympathetic to the BJP. No scholar of worth in India takes it seriously.
    Until about 15 years ago most of the Hindutva believe in the Aryan invasion and even believed they civilized Dravidians.

    • Replies: @SkipJack
    Didn't the BJP win with a massive mandate?? The fringe IS the mainstream now. They can put forth the most ridiculous theory and people will accept it hook line and sinker
  226. GS says:
    @Spangel
    I don’t think they have much sense of seeing it as a European ideal of beauty apart from the light skin. A lot of Indians have a variation of caucasoid physiognomy. Thus, their ideal of beauty will conform to a rather similar standard of beauty as the European standard. I would expect that Iranian beauty queens, if such were allowed by the mullahs, would all look beautiful by European standards, but it wouldn’t be because they were trying to conform to European standards. It would just be because Persian beauty naturally conforms to a similar standard as European beauty.

    The Caucasian facial structure (but not hair and eye coloring) mostly has origins in the near East or Central asian plains. It is where both the medditerranean farmer stock and yamnaya that comprises much of the current European population originated. Both of these groups also spread through the Middle East and in various waves, to India. So it’s not really that Europe owns this caucasoid beauty standard more than others who also value it do.

    East Asians, in contrast, truly have a different standard of beauty even if we all would agree on which Asians are more or less beautiful. If you compared the top East Asian women to the top Caucasian women, the winner would be hard to choose on objective grounds because it would be like looking at two different kinds of things.

    As you wrote, Caucasian face structure has origins in the near East or Central Asian plains, by the absence of Asian and African features that didn’t reach that region. The spread of blond hair, blue eyes and small nose comes from a mutation occurred after the last glaciation around the Baltic sea, although light eyes existed before as a result of one or some previous mutations. Judging from its distribution map, red hair originates from Northwestern Europe or in Udmurtia (I’d say the latter since migrations predominantly happened east to west). The distribution of these features is what characterizes Europeans, or whites.
    I’m writing this to stress that “white” features don’t have a unique origin in one ancestral homeland and one people, as some theory says, but result from the overlapping of features coming and spreading from various places. Nevertheless, they define our identity and we must preserve them.

    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand
    The mutations of blonde hair and light eyed oddly occured in the southern hemisphere independly as well. Many Melanesians have blondish hair and Polynesians often have green eyes. It was mentioned in the book on the Mutiny by that Hall fellow. So it couldnt have been due to European miscgenation.

    The best way to preserve your identity is prevent your women from being such ballbusters and nags that they
    a) Emasculate you into submission and shack up with more unPC men as is the SOP of Swedish women
    b) You end up copulating with East and south East Asian women

    Unless you reign in white women, white genes will go extinct one way or the other.
  227. @theMann
    Wow, if they were on Tinder, I would open a Facebook account, download. Swipe right and star every one of them.


    Seriously, is there a common set if standards for beauty? Seems to me.......

    Don’t bother with Tinder. I have traveled extensively in India, usually staying in upscale hotels in major cities, and lived in the Persian Gulf region for 10 years (which is majority Indian, granted mostly from the south), and can say that I have never once seen any woman remotely like this.

    (Not like any Western or East Asian city, where you see plenty of beauty-pageant-worthy women walking around.)

    I can’t explain it, other than that these women are fake. (I don’t mean they don’t exist, but they are stylized to an extent much greater than in the West.) They lighten their skin, even more so for the picture. Also the bell curve for beauty must be very flat-tailed there (unlike the women)?

  228. DZK says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    IIRC, India’s math superstars have been Dravidian, but the state with the highest income per capita is Goa, which was the capital of Portuguese India for 451 years.

    Christians seem to do better than all other religious groups in India, with the exception of the numerically-smaller Sikhs and Jains. Scroll down to see a chart of Indians’ wealth by religion https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/delhi-and-punjab-richest-states-jain-wealthiest-community-national-survey/story-sakdd3MBOfKhU2p5LrNVUM.html

    I don’t think it’s only because of selection. Christians in Odisha and Jharkand were only converted in the last century by various missionaries who preached to the masses, but news articles say they are more affluent than their Hindu co-ethnics.

    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand
    Indian Christians are solidly middle class and mostly concentrated in the south. Catholic school education(even Protestants attend) produces solid citizens for the most part. But you wont find over achievers such as CEOs like you do with Brahmins and other upper castes or Sikhs and Jains for that matter. Neither would you find a criminal underclass among Christians apart from some rogues such as YSR Reddy and his sons.

    In other words, Hindus have extremes of wealth and poverty . Not so much with Sikhs ,Jains and Christians.
  229. @Colin Wright
    '...Then he says that Novak saying he was a sharecropper like his father was not possible being that only Blacks were sharecroppers. Was that true?'

    Not only was it not true, but it was massively not true. For example, relatively few of the 'Okies' who descended on California during the Great Depression were actually from Oklahoma. Farmers in Oklahoma generally owned their land, and The Grapes of Wrath notwithstanding, people who own land generally cling to it.

    It's tenant farmers and sharecroppers who leave -- and that's who most of the Okies were. They were tenant farmers and sharecroppers -- most commonly from Arkansas, not Oklahoma.

    ...and they were white.

    Never believe anything a black says -- not until a white confirms it, anyway.

    people who own land generally cling to it.

    Not if it dries up and turns to dust and all the topsoil blows away.

  230. @Moses
    Skin lightening is EVERYWHERE in Asia and India.

    https://www.marketingtochina.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Asian-and-skin-whitening.jpg

    https://anthropologyofcity.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/new-whitening-cream-100ml-korean-essence-mask-skin-care-free-gift-04.jpg

    http://www.brownpoliticalreview.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/13103725423_e4b6c6453d_o-897x494.jpg

    You get the idea.

    Imagine all those poor models walking around Asia with their faces half light and half dark!

    What happened to you, Kareema?

    Oh, nothing, I was just in a skin lightener ad.

  231. I lived in India for a while, and let me tell you that there are some really beautiful girls there. But the funny thing is that companies keep trying to sell skin-whitening cream on T.V. The commercials are hilarious. They show a sad dark-skinned guy getting rejected, and then the same guy later, scoring with the chicks. All you need is Super-Stud skin whitening cream!

    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand
    I know . Those commercials are a disgrace and an embarrassment. When will they learn ? sigh
  232. @Dr Van Nostrand
    Kareena and Karisma's uncle is Shashi Kapoor who appeared in some earlier Merchant Ivory works. His wife was English. Her Grandparents was the patriarch Prithviraj Kapoor and his wife had a typically Indian name Ramsarni Mehra. Shashi Kapoor had a son and daughter both blonde and blue eyed, they tried their hand at Bollywood but couldnt cut it.
    Indian capacity and appreciation for whiteness is restricted to the type of looks of complexion that fair Caucasoid Indians can achieve. Amy Jackson for example , an English actress, often with Indian make up and clothing passes for a fair skinned Indian rather than say a flaxen haired Norweigan Indian's first impression of British merchants were less than flattering and thought they looked ill. They also did not think too highly of Persian looks and language "the appearance and looks of screeching owls" is how princesses of Vijayanagara described their encounter with Persians in neighboring Persian Bahmani kingdom in the 15th century.
    Apart from Katreena Kaif,most famous, well numerated actresses such as Pooja Hedge, Vidya Balan, Deepika Padukone, Sonam Kapoor etc dont have any foreign blood. And the first three are south Indian.
    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand
    Ah, babitas mother. But I ask you , look at her grandfather Raj Kapoor with his pale skin, brown, green eyes and her uncle Shammi Kapoor, pale with blue eyes neither of whom have European ancestry. Did she need European genes to look the way she did?
  233. @DZK
    Christians seem to do better than all other religious groups in India, with the exception of the numerically-smaller Sikhs and Jains. Scroll down to see a chart of Indians' wealth by religion https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/delhi-and-punjab-richest-states-jain-wealthiest-community-national-survey/story-sakdd3MBOfKhU2p5LrNVUM.html

    I don't think it's only because of selection. Christians in Odisha and Jharkand were only converted in the last century by various missionaries who preached to the masses, but news articles say they are more affluent than their Hindu co-ethnics.

    Indian Christians are solidly middle class and mostly concentrated in the south. Catholic school education(even Protestants attend) produces solid citizens for the most part. But you wont find over achievers such as CEOs like you do with Brahmins and other upper castes or Sikhs and Jains for that matter. Neither would you find a criminal underclass among Christians apart from some rogues such as YSR Reddy and his sons.

    In other words, Hindus have extremes of wealth and poverty . Not so much with Sikhs ,Jains and Christians.

    • Replies: @DZK
    I'm not 100% about your CEO claim. Brahmins are ~5% of India's population. Christians are less than half that. So already you'd expect fewer Christian CEOs. But there are a fair number of Indian CEOs with Christian last names: Menezes, Kurian, D'Souza, Alukkas, Varkey, George Muthoot.

    Also I've noticed that a lot of the richest Hindu CEOs (I'm talking billionaires) in India tend to be non-Brahmins from more mercantile castes/ethnicities: Marwaris, Khatris, Gujuratis, Sindhis.

    Of course the biggest Indian overachievers in this regard = Parsis. The Ashkenazi Jews of India, but they're an even tinier minority
  234. Indians have not chosen beauty as a priority for the last 500 years atleast. It was a conscious effort to keep their heads down so the women wouldnt be abducted by either Muslims or other Hindu warlords. It is not so much a matter of genetics. You can weed out unpleasant genes in a matter of generation. European Jews werent the prettiest lot for example as they had the same strategy of deglamorizing their women to avoid roving eyes of Cossacks or what have you. Once in Israel, they got into the Mediterranean groove and the results are there for all to see.

    Abdul Razzaq , a Persian explorer who travelled extensively spoke of the women of Karnataka in southern India as akin to houris(nymphs) on earth in the 16th century.

    Beauty isnt so much a priority for Indians for a long time and it shows. However men are becoming more conscious of their physiques(body building is all the rage among the youth) and proper grooming ,dress and make up is gaining steam among women. Perhaps in a couple of generations, and a good chunk of interbreeding, more attractive genes will become the norm rather than the exception. South Indians really need to stop marrying their cousins and occasionally nieces(WTF). This has taken a toll on their health and looks though not so much their IQ oddly enough.

    Yes Pakistanis tend to be more attractive because that rationale didnt apply to their women as they had no qualms sending their women to the harems of the conqueror much like Circassian women considered it a great honor to warm the bed of the Caliph. Heck they still happily provide comfort women to this day to Arab sheikhs.

  235. @GS
    As you wrote, Caucasian face structure has origins in the near East or Central Asian plains, by the absence of Asian and African features that didn't reach that region. The spread of blond hair, blue eyes and small nose comes from a mutation occurred after the last glaciation around the Baltic sea, although light eyes existed before as a result of one or some previous mutations. Judging from its distribution map, red hair originates from Northwestern Europe or in Udmurtia (I'd say the latter since migrations predominantly happened east to west). The distribution of these features is what characterizes Europeans, or whites.
    I'm writing this to stress that "white" features don't have a unique origin in one ancestral homeland and one people, as some theory says, but result from the overlapping of features coming and spreading from various places. Nevertheless, they define our identity and we must preserve them.

    The mutations of blonde hair and light eyed oddly occured in the southern hemisphere independly as well. Many Melanesians have blondish hair and Polynesians often have green eyes. It was mentioned in the book on the Mutiny by that Hall fellow. So it couldnt have been due to European miscgenation.

    The best way to preserve your identity is prevent your women from being such ballbusters and nags that they
    a) Emasculate you into submission and shack up with more unPC men as is the SOP of Swedish women
    b) You end up copulating with East and south East Asian women

    Unless you reign in white women, white genes will go extinct one way or the other.

    • Replies: @GS
    Melanesians' and Europeans' blonde hair is caused by different genes. I read about light eyes among Polynesians in an old book about human races, and also of some Japanese having reddish hair and grey eyes, but never saw any image online confirming that.

    The problem of preservation, not only for whites but for every ethnic group, is that young people are taught that heritage has no value.
  236. @Numinous
    It's her maternal grandmother, "Barbara" Shivdasani: https://www.rediff.com/movies/report/pix-kareena-karisma-at-grandmothers-prayer-meet/20160505.htm

    Ah, babitas mother. But I ask you , look at her grandfather Raj Kapoor with his pale skin, brown, green eyes and her uncle Shammi Kapoor, pale with blue eyes neither of whom have European ancestry. Did she need European genes to look the way she did?

    • Replies: @Numinous
    I agree. Until I heard Kareena say that she had an English grandmother, I didn't think her looks were unusual for an Indian (Punjabi) given the phenotypes of her dad and grandpa (Raj).
  237. @SkipJack
    The Indian army, especially the foot soldiers, like everywhere else, is made up of done of the poorest folks in the country. Combine that with relative difference in their looks vis a vis those under occupation, like the oriental looking north easterners and the more Caucasian looking Kashmiris, and you have a disaster.

    Like everywhere else, the army is not subject to local laws as the area is considered "disturbed". So I presume there must be a lot of sexual assaults and rapes happening over there. It's like having virile sub Saharan African soldiers to keep the piece in say the Czech Republic. Add to that the uneasy equation as the soldiers are mostly Hindoo while the North easterners Christian and the Kashmiris Moslem and it's a sexual disaster

    Hahaha! No. Kashmiri women really arent all that. Women of Himachal Pradesh for instance are much prettier.
    The Indian army had a reduction in quality since Sikhs refused to join in large numbers since the late 90s and you had indisciplined ,patriarchal types from Hindi speaking states filling in the void. Most of the Indian army is a north Indian racket. Many of whom dont look all that different from Kashmiris
    Meanwhile the Tamils who are rather dark had a deadly militia called the LTTE across the strait and they were famous for their stern discipline. Any member found guilty of raping the enemy Sinhala women(who were fairer) was put to death.
    Similarly the Naxalite(communist guerillas) are mostly from Andhra Pradesh in southern India who run circles around the Indian army in nothern states. They are appreciated and respected because while they do use kill villagers they refrain from rape.

    Regarding subsaharan soldiers in Europe. France post WWI used African soldiers to keep the peace on the German border and simply laughed when German women were raped by Africans. This was one of the many reasons Germans gravitated to a certain Mr. Schikelgruber who put an end to these disgraces.The French also let loose Morrocan troops loose on those poor Italian women in closing days of WWII just because they could. The French were rather ghoulish that way.

    • Replies: @SkipJack

    The Indian army had a reduction in quality since Sikhs refused to join in large numbers since the late 90s and you had indisciplined ,patriarchal types from Hindi speaking states filling in the void. Most of the Indian army is a north Indian racket. Many of whom dont look all that different from Kashmiris
     
    An indisclipined army is given to frequent abuse, both within the ranks and towards the local populace. For instance rape and sexual assaults of Japanese schoolgirls has become quite an issue now a days at okinawa since the US military establishment relaxed it's hiring standard as it seeks more cannon fodder for it's many useless wars abroad

    Regarding the frogs, they have some of the most sexually perverted of most western Europeans. Contrast that with the British who had strong Victorian mores. Or else like other French colonies, India would also be teeming with umpteen brothels and a legacy of concubinage like the French did with the Vietnamese and the Moroccans and Algerians. The French openly transported women from it's colonies particularly Vietnam and Algeria to be used as comfort women for French troops in it's missions at other places
    , @Dr Van Nostrand
    oops sorry that should be late 80s. As the Khalistan movement died down, Sikhs got disillusioned with the Indian army. Which is just as well. It is not healthy for a minority to be over represented. The problem the only other community with comparable amount of discipline are Tamils and they dislike the army for its insistence on Hindi. They are happy however in the airforce and navy where they are over represented as its an English speaking culture. Heck the Indian Navy still sports a St Georges flag which they are loath to part with.
  238. @Ron B Liebermann
    I lived in India for a while, and let me tell you that there are some really beautiful girls there. But the funny thing is that companies keep trying to sell skin-whitening cream on T.V. The commercials are hilarious. They show a sad dark-skinned guy getting rejected, and then the same guy later, scoring with the chicks. All you need is Super-Stud skin whitening cream!

    I know . Those commercials are a disgrace and an embarrassment. When will they learn ? sigh

  239. All extremes are pathological (Hegel, copying Aristotle). A moderate amount of Northerness is beneficial, but too much and you end up like Sweden or North Korea.

    I suspect Northern Indians are more susceptible to Islam & counter-Islam.

    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand
    Define "northerness"


    I suspect Northern Indians are more susceptible to Islam & counter-Islam.
     
    Both are inter related. in India the states with a large and hostile Muslim minority compel Hindus to vote for BJP which is anti Islam in spirit if not neccesarily in letter.
    In the south and Bengal ,Muslims tend to relatively pacific and well integrated with the exception of Hyderabad. Hence little need for the BJP there.
    A rule of thumb is the more likely Muslims speak in the regional vernaculars rather than Urdu(which is associated with Mughal elite) the less likely they are to cause trouble.
  240. @Simon in London
    All extremes are pathological (Hegel, copying Aristotle). A moderate amount of Northerness is beneficial, but too much and you end up like Sweden or North Korea.

    I suspect Northern Indians are more susceptible to Islam & counter-Islam.

    Define “northerness”

    I suspect Northern Indians are more susceptible to Islam & counter-Islam.

    Both are inter related. in India the states with a large and hostile Muslim minority compel Hindus to vote for BJP which is anti Islam in spirit if not neccesarily in letter.
    In the south and Bengal ,Muslims tend to relatively pacific and well integrated with the exception of Hyderabad. Hence little need for the BJP there.
    A rule of thumb is the more likely Muslims speak in the regional vernaculars rather than Urdu(which is associated with Mughal elite) the less likely they are to cause trouble.

  241. @Steve Sailer
    Yes, the Valley Village PO Box is secure. Large size envelopes accepted.

    Thanks.

    From C to DD? Now that’s my kind of diversity! Lol!!!

  242. @Numinous

    Even Miss Japan a couple years ago was half black-African.
     
    Nope, half-Indian.
    • Replies: @Numinous
    OK, I was talking about this lady: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priyanka_Yoshikawa
  243. @Dr Van Nostrand
    Ah, babitas mother. But I ask you , look at her grandfather Raj Kapoor with his pale skin, brown, green eyes and her uncle Shammi Kapoor, pale with blue eyes neither of whom have European ancestry. Did she need European genes to look the way she did?

    I agree. Until I heard Kareena say that she had an English grandmother, I didn’t think her looks were unusual for an Indian (Punjabi) given the phenotypes of her dad and grandpa (Raj).

  244. @PaceLaw
    Nope, half black.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/05/13/japans-half-black-miss-universe-says-discrimination-gives-her-extra-motivation/?utm_term=.b7c5da034ddb

    OK, I was talking about this lady: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priyanka_Yoshikawa

  245. @Anonymous
    Meanwhile, many young white women these days try to make themselves look black and like Kim Kardashian, who in addition to tanning and increasing the size of her buttocks, has done work on her lips and nose to look more black. I'm not sure if this is solely due to the influence of Kardashian, or is part of a general trend, but it's there and is quite unusual to anyone old enough to remember the 80s and 90s, when the svelte or busty blonde look was favored. It's not just the exaggerated buttocks and proportions, but the tanning, lips and facial structure, and ethnic style of makeup that's popular these days.

    It's interesting to compare this trend to the career trajectories of Kim Kardashian and Paris Hilton. Hilton is a svelte blonde who was very famous in the first decade of the 2000s. Kardashian was a friend of Hilton's but not famous at the time. However, over the past decade, Hilton has largely disappeared and lost her fame, while Kardashian has rocketed to fame and has dominated celebrity culture while "blackening" her appearance with ridiculous procedures like buttocks enhancements. Was Kardashian simply part of a general trend and did she shoot to fame as a result? Or did she drive the trend herself?

    As I recall, Hilton’s family threatened to disinherit her if she didn’t stop being the center of scandal. She’s kept a low profile since then.

  246. GS says:
    @Dr Van Nostrand
    The mutations of blonde hair and light eyed oddly occured in the southern hemisphere independly as well. Many Melanesians have blondish hair and Polynesians often have green eyes. It was mentioned in the book on the Mutiny by that Hall fellow. So it couldnt have been due to European miscgenation.

    The best way to preserve your identity is prevent your women from being such ballbusters and nags that they
    a) Emasculate you into submission and shack up with more unPC men as is the SOP of Swedish women
    b) You end up copulating with East and south East Asian women

    Unless you reign in white women, white genes will go extinct one way or the other.

    Melanesians’ and Europeans’ blonde hair is caused by different genes. I read about light eyes among Polynesians in an old book about human races, and also of some Japanese having reddish hair and grey eyes, but never saw any image online confirming that.

    The problem of preservation, not only for whites but for every ethnic group, is that young people are taught that heritage has no value.

    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand
    The Caucasoid Japanese types are probably Ainu. Interestingly they are also a hairy lot compared to the Japanese Yamado mainstream but they dont have any acquiline features associated with the Caucasoids. They seem to be Melanesians who wandered north.
    , @Corvinus
    "The problem of preservation, not only for whites but for every ethnic group, is that young people are taught that heritage has no value."

    That's not true. Young people learn that heritage is important to themselves and their families. It just depends on how heritage is defined. Besides, the preservation of humanity is far more important--unfortunately, the race baiters of the left and the right make matters difficult.
  247. Eurasian steppe whiteness;)

    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand
    A mixture of Scythian, Tarim Basin fair Caucasoids and Mongols. Much of Central Asia was blonde ,red haired until the Turkic and late Mongol conquests of the 10th to 13th centuries.
  248. @Dr Van Nostrand
    Out of India (OIT) Aryan expansion is a fringe theory restricted to some professional classes sympathetic to the BJP. No scholar of worth in India takes it seriously.
    Until about 15 years ago most of the Hindutva believe in the Aryan invasion and even believed they civilized Dravidians.

    Didn’t the BJP win with a massive mandate?? The fringe IS the mainstream now. They can put forth the most ridiculous theory and people will accept it hook line and sinker

    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand
    I didnt say that the BJP was fringe but many of its members and some of its leadership subscribe to kooky ideas.
  249. @Dr Van Nostrand
    Hahaha! No. Kashmiri women really arent all that. Women of Himachal Pradesh for instance are much prettier.
    The Indian army had a reduction in quality since Sikhs refused to join in large numbers since the late 90s and you had indisciplined ,patriarchal types from Hindi speaking states filling in the void. Most of the Indian army is a north Indian racket. Many of whom dont look all that different from Kashmiris
    Meanwhile the Tamils who are rather dark had a deadly militia called the LTTE across the strait and they were famous for their stern discipline. Any member found guilty of raping the enemy Sinhala women(who were fairer) was put to death.
    Similarly the Naxalite(communist guerillas) are mostly from Andhra Pradesh in southern India who run circles around the Indian army in nothern states. They are appreciated and respected because while they do use kill villagers they refrain from rape.

    Regarding subsaharan soldiers in Europe. France post WWI used African soldiers to keep the peace on the German border and simply laughed when German women were raped by Africans. This was one of the many reasons Germans gravitated to a certain Mr. Schikelgruber who put an end to these disgraces.The French also let loose Morrocan troops loose on those poor Italian women in closing days of WWII just because they could. The French were rather ghoulish that way.

    The Indian army had a reduction in quality since Sikhs refused to join in large numbers since the late 90s and you had indisciplined ,patriarchal types from Hindi speaking states filling in the void. Most of the Indian army is a north Indian racket. Many of whom dont look all that different from Kashmiris

    An indisclipined army is given to frequent abuse, both within the ranks and towards the local populace. For instance rape and sexual assaults of Japanese schoolgirls has become quite an issue now a days at okinawa since the US military establishment relaxed it’s hiring standard as it seeks more cannon fodder for it’s many useless wars abroad

    Regarding the frogs, they have some of the most sexually perverted of most western Europeans. Contrast that with the British who had strong Victorian mores. Or else like other French colonies, India would also be teeming with umpteen brothels and a legacy of concubinage like the French did with the Vietnamese and the Moroccans and Algerians. The French openly transported women from it’s colonies particularly Vietnam and Algeria to be used as comfort women for French troops in it’s missions at other places

    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand
    Early Victorians in India indeed were perverts of the first order and quite into opium and brothels which they opened on an unprecedented scale which alarmed even then the degenerate Nawabs , Delhi and Hyderabad. Evangelical zeal came a bit late to India. Victorian mores really took root towards the end of the 1800s after the mutiny of 1857 when even casual acquaintances with Indians became to be seen as askance.
    The movie From Hell is an interesting comment on Victorian hypocrisy. Bram Stokers Dracula , some analysts say, was also a comment on Victorian perversion and hypocrisy and that bite marks of Dracula that everyone was paranoid about was an allusion to marks of syphilis.
    But the Victorian at least had values to betray I suppose, the French were unapologetically debauched.
  250. It’s okay to be white (in India).

    What’s funny is how south Asian ancestry is pretty much the only way to produce attractive, very dark-skinned women. Dark south Asians are generally pretty awful-looking, so they’re rare, but they do happen, and I’ve seen them: very, very dark-skinned women with pretty, delicate white features. It’s a very strange sight.

    The whiteness of that photo lineup is sort of like how cute east Asian chicks look pretty great when tanned, but their home cultures insist on them maintaining a much less attractive, fish-belly-white skin tone; neither place is fully appreciating what they got.

  251. @Anonymous
    Meanwhile, many young white women these days try to make themselves look black and like Kim Kardashian, who in addition to tanning and increasing the size of her buttocks, has done work on her lips and nose to look more black. I'm not sure if this is solely due to the influence of Kardashian, or is part of a general trend, but it's there and is quite unusual to anyone old enough to remember the 80s and 90s, when the svelte or busty blonde look was favored. It's not just the exaggerated buttocks and proportions, but the tanning, lips and facial structure, and ethnic style of makeup that's popular these days.

    It's interesting to compare this trend to the career trajectories of Kim Kardashian and Paris Hilton. Hilton is a svelte blonde who was very famous in the first decade of the 2000s. Kardashian was a friend of Hilton's but not famous at the time. However, over the past decade, Hilton has largely disappeared and lost her fame, while Kardashian has rocketed to fame and has dominated celebrity culture while "blackening" her appearance with ridiculous procedures like buttocks enhancements. Was Kardashian simply part of a general trend and did she shoot to fame as a result? Or did she drive the trend herself?

    Never really understood the obsession with either. Hollywood’s full of better-looking women. Who I guess didn’t do as good a job keeping themselves in the headlines…

  252. @SkipJack
    Didn't the BJP win with a massive mandate?? The fringe IS the mainstream now. They can put forth the most ridiculous theory and people will accept it hook line and sinker

    I didnt say that the BJP was fringe but many of its members and some of its leadership subscribe to kooky ideas.

  253. @GS
    Melanesians' and Europeans' blonde hair is caused by different genes. I read about light eyes among Polynesians in an old book about human races, and also of some Japanese having reddish hair and grey eyes, but never saw any image online confirming that.

    The problem of preservation, not only for whites but for every ethnic group, is that young people are taught that heritage has no value.

    The Caucasoid Japanese types are probably Ainu. Interestingly they are also a hairy lot compared to the Japanese Yamado mainstream but they dont have any acquiline features associated with the Caucasoids. They seem to be Melanesians who wandered north.

  254. @SkipJack

    The Indian army had a reduction in quality since Sikhs refused to join in large numbers since the late 90s and you had indisciplined ,patriarchal types from Hindi speaking states filling in the void. Most of the Indian army is a north Indian racket. Many of whom dont look all that different from Kashmiris
     
    An indisclipined army is given to frequent abuse, both within the ranks and towards the local populace. For instance rape and sexual assaults of Japanese schoolgirls has become quite an issue now a days at okinawa since the US military establishment relaxed it's hiring standard as it seeks more cannon fodder for it's many useless wars abroad

    Regarding the frogs, they have some of the most sexually perverted of most western Europeans. Contrast that with the British who had strong Victorian mores. Or else like other French colonies, India would also be teeming with umpteen brothels and a legacy of concubinage like the French did with the Vietnamese and the Moroccans and Algerians. The French openly transported women from it's colonies particularly Vietnam and Algeria to be used as comfort women for French troops in it's missions at other places

    Early Victorians in India indeed were perverts of the first order and quite into opium and brothels which they opened on an unprecedented scale which alarmed even then the degenerate Nawabs , Delhi and Hyderabad. Evangelical zeal came a bit late to India. Victorian mores really took root towards the end of the 1800s after the mutiny of 1857 when even casual acquaintances with Indians became to be seen as askance.
    The movie From Hell is an interesting comment on Victorian hypocrisy. Bram Stokers Dracula , some analysts say, was also a comment on Victorian perversion and hypocrisy and that bite marks of Dracula that everyone was paranoid about was an allusion to marks of syphilis.
    But the Victorian at least had values to betray I suppose, the French were unapologetically debauched.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "But the Victorian at least had values to betray I suppose, the French were unapologetically debauched."

    The reality is that upper class European men during the Age of Exploration, during the Age of Slavery, and during the Age of Imperialism were afflicted with Strom Thurmond disease.
  255. @Dr Van Nostrand
    Hahaha! No. Kashmiri women really arent all that. Women of Himachal Pradesh for instance are much prettier.
    The Indian army had a reduction in quality since Sikhs refused to join in large numbers since the late 90s and you had indisciplined ,patriarchal types from Hindi speaking states filling in the void. Most of the Indian army is a north Indian racket. Many of whom dont look all that different from Kashmiris
    Meanwhile the Tamils who are rather dark had a deadly militia called the LTTE across the strait and they were famous for their stern discipline. Any member found guilty of raping the enemy Sinhala women(who were fairer) was put to death.
    Similarly the Naxalite(communist guerillas) are mostly from Andhra Pradesh in southern India who run circles around the Indian army in nothern states. They are appreciated and respected because while they do use kill villagers they refrain from rape.

    Regarding subsaharan soldiers in Europe. France post WWI used African soldiers to keep the peace on the German border and simply laughed when German women were raped by Africans. This was one of the many reasons Germans gravitated to a certain Mr. Schikelgruber who put an end to these disgraces.The French also let loose Morrocan troops loose on those poor Italian women in closing days of WWII just because they could. The French were rather ghoulish that way.

    oops sorry that should be late 80s. As the Khalistan movement died down, Sikhs got disillusioned with the Indian army. Which is just as well. It is not healthy for a minority to be over represented. The problem the only other community with comparable amount of discipline are Tamils and they dislike the army for its insistence on Hindi. They are happy however in the airforce and navy where they are over represented as its an English speaking culture. Heck the Indian Navy still sports a St Georges flag which they are loath to part with.

  256. @tallos
    Eurasian steppe whiteness;)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OGKeqGhYfo&t=172s

    A mixture of Scythian, Tarim Basin fair Caucasoids and Mongols. Much of Central Asia was blonde ,red haired until the Turkic and late Mongol conquests of the 10th to 13th centuries.

  257. What’s funny is how south Asian ancestry is pretty much the only way to produce attractive, very dark-skinned women.

    Mr. Sailer has previously noted the beauty of Ethiopian Amhara women. Ethiopians are a type distinct from other sub-Saharan Africans.

  258. While India has made a fair amount of economic progress since giving up Fabian socialism in 1991, the shorter, darker people of the South seem to be pulling ahead.

    The people of Kerala are tallest people in India ,right after Haryana tied with Punjab. Southern Karnatak and Telengana has really tall people too, more than that of the north on average. In the north only Haryana, Kashmir, Rajasthan and Punjab have tall people. Rest of the lot ,not so much.
    Fair skin of the Punjabi type is relatively rare in southern India you do see it more in Karnataka and Kerala. Many of the actresses in Tamil cinema and Bollywood are recruited from these states. Aishwarya Rai is a Tuluva from southern Karnataka. Many of these dont have the steppe R1a ancestry associated with North Indians but West Asian late neolithic type which is expected of Dravidians.

  259. @PiltdownMan
    The preference for lighter skin, and more "European" features seems to be invariant, over the decades.

    From the link I posted above.

    Miss India 1952.

    https://im.indiatimes.in/content/itimes/photo/2016/Apr/12/1460439163-miss-india-nutan-1952.jpg

    MissIndia 1959
    http://indpaedia.com/ind/images/f/ff/Fleur_Ezekiel1.jpg

    Miss India 1966

    http://indpaedia.com/ind/images/e/ef/Yasmin_Daji1.jpg

    Miss India 1976

    https://im.indiatimes.in/content/itimes/photo/2016/Apr/12/1460439150-miss-india-nafisa-ali-1976.jpg

    Miss India 1989

    https://im.indiatimes.in/content/itimes/photo/2016/Apr/12/1460439139-miss-india-world-naveeda-mehdi-1989.jpg

    Miss India 1989 looks like Liz Taylor.

    “It’s okay to be white (in India). The only countries that don’t believe in the aesthetic validity of white supremacy are white countries.”

    Thanks for the click bait, Mr. Sailer. The fact of the matter is it’s OK for white men to date, mate, and procreate with white women or non-white women.

    • Agree: ConfirmationBias
    • Replies: @PiltdownMan

    Miss India 1989 looks like Liz Taylor.
     
    Yeah, I wondered about that too—whether the picture was incorrectly attributed. But googling around a bit, it appears that Naveeda Mehdi, Miss India 1989, did look a bit like a young Liz Taylor.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/935738175246479360/EwgpiNO9_400x400.jpg

  260. @Dr Van Nostrand
    Early Victorians in India indeed were perverts of the first order and quite into opium and brothels which they opened on an unprecedented scale which alarmed even then the degenerate Nawabs , Delhi and Hyderabad. Evangelical zeal came a bit late to India. Victorian mores really took root towards the end of the 1800s after the mutiny of 1857 when even casual acquaintances with Indians became to be seen as askance.
    The movie From Hell is an interesting comment on Victorian hypocrisy. Bram Stokers Dracula , some analysts say, was also a comment on Victorian perversion and hypocrisy and that bite marks of Dracula that everyone was paranoid about was an allusion to marks of syphilis.
    But the Victorian at least had values to betray I suppose, the French were unapologetically debauched.

    “But the Victorian at least had values to betray I suppose, the French were unapologetically debauched.”

    The reality is that upper class European men during the Age of Exploration, during the Age of Slavery, and during the Age of Imperialism were afflicted with Strom Thurmond disease.

  261. @GS
    Melanesians' and Europeans' blonde hair is caused by different genes. I read about light eyes among Polynesians in an old book about human races, and also of some Japanese having reddish hair and grey eyes, but never saw any image online confirming that.

    The problem of preservation, not only for whites but for every ethnic group, is that young people are taught that heritage has no value.

    “The problem of preservation, not only for whites but for every ethnic group, is that young people are taught that heritage has no value.”

    That’s not true. Young people learn that heritage is important to themselves and their families. It just depends on how heritage is defined. Besides, the preservation of humanity is far more important–unfortunately, the race baiters of the left and the right make matters difficult.

    • Replies: @Moses

    That’s not true. Young people learn that heritage is important to themselves and their families. It just depends on how heritage is defined. Besides, the preservation of humanity is far more important–unfortunately, the race baiters of the left and the right make matters difficult.
     
    Translation:

    You may have families but you have no collective racial or ethnic heritage, goy. There is only one race, the human race.

    (Except for us Fellow Whites - we have a collective heritage which it is verboten to question).

    Now slip back into sweet unconsciousness as your kind is marginalized and replaced in the countries you founded.

    It will all be over soon.
     

    , @SkipJack
    So corny, why does Israel insist on Jewish DNA at least on the mother's side??
  262. @Corvinus
    Miss India 1989 looks like Liz Taylor.

    "It’s okay to be white (in India). The only countries that don’t believe in the aesthetic validity of white supremacy are white countries."

    Thanks for the click bait, Mr. Sailer. The fact of the matter is it's OK for white men to date, mate, and procreate with white women or non-white women.

    Miss India 1989 looks like Liz Taylor.

    Yeah, I wondered about that too—whether the picture was incorrectly attributed. But googling around a bit, it appears that Naveeda Mehdi, Miss India 1989, did look a bit like a young Liz Taylor.

    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand
    Naveeda Mehdi -both are Persian names. Probably either a Muslim descended from Persian settlers from 13th to 19 centuries(the Mongol conquests pretty much uprooted the entire Persian diaspora in Central Asia and drove them to India. There has been more Persian literature produced in India than in Persia itself). Or she could be a Parsi Zoroastrian. Im guessing the former. Parsis due to their extensive interbreeding are not a very appealing people in general. They have got noses that make even Mizrahim Jewish girls go "damn girl, better get that fixed". Teheran until recently was the nose job capital of the world.
  263. @Corvinus
    "The problem of preservation, not only for whites but for every ethnic group, is that young people are taught that heritage has no value."

    That's not true. Young people learn that heritage is important to themselves and their families. It just depends on how heritage is defined. Besides, the preservation of humanity is far more important--unfortunately, the race baiters of the left and the right make matters difficult.

    That’s not true. Young people learn that heritage is important to themselves and their families. It just depends on how heritage is defined. Besides, the preservation of humanity is far more important–unfortunately, the race baiters of the left and the right make matters difficult.

    Translation:

    You may have families but you have no collective racial or ethnic heritage, goy. There is only one race, the human race.

    (Except for us Fellow Whites – we have a collective heritage which it is verboten to question).

    Now slip back into sweet unconsciousness as your kind is marginalized and replaced in the countries you founded.

    It will all be over soon.

  264. @Corvinus
    "The problem of preservation, not only for whites but for every ethnic group, is that young people are taught that heritage has no value."

    That's not true. Young people learn that heritage is important to themselves and their families. It just depends on how heritage is defined. Besides, the preservation of humanity is far more important--unfortunately, the race baiters of the left and the right make matters difficult.

    So corny, why does Israel insist on Jewish DNA at least on the mother’s side??

  265. @rec1man
    All these women are from upper castes

    and generally from North west India

    This is a low caste dravidian woman

    https://qahiri.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/dravidian-woman.jpg

    She’s ugly but she looks genuinely genuine if you know what I mean??

    Darker south Indians on average are much less cocky and arrogant compared to the relatively few Hindi speaking Northern Indians in the US. Much more soft spoken although they are as much ethnocentric but they don’t have a fake air about themselves

    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand
    Educated Indians whether from north or south in U.S have a cock of the walk attitude which can be off putting. Most north Indians in U.S are not from Hindi speaking states but from Punjab and Gujarat which are prosperous states and they dominate the popular culture in India. Hence they give off those airs. South Indians generally are more mild mannered an d a tad self effacing. But pushed too far, their rage can be quite deadly . e.g LTTE, Naxalites, Tamil mafias in Mumbai, Kerala labourers who beheaded Saudis etc.
  266. @PiltdownMan

    Miss India 1989 looks like Liz Taylor.
     
    Yeah, I wondered about that too—whether the picture was incorrectly attributed. But googling around a bit, it appears that Naveeda Mehdi, Miss India 1989, did look a bit like a young Liz Taylor.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/935738175246479360/EwgpiNO9_400x400.jpg

    Naveeda Mehdi -both are Persian names. Probably either a Muslim descended from Persian settlers from 13th to 19 centuries(the Mongol conquests pretty much uprooted the entire Persian diaspora in Central Asia and drove them to India. There has been more Persian literature produced in India than in Persia itself). Or she could be a Parsi Zoroastrian. Im guessing the former. Parsis due to their extensive interbreeding are not a very appealing people in general. They have got noses that make even Mizrahim Jewish girls go “damn girl, better get that fixed”. Teheran until recently was the nose job capital of the world.

  267. @rec1man
    All these women are from upper castes

    and generally from North west India

    This is a low caste dravidian woman

    https://qahiri.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/dravidian-woman.jpg

    Thats a woman speaking a Dravidian language ,not of Dravidian genes. Blacks who speak English dont become Anglo Saxon. There are no shortage of people who look like that in the north speaking IA languages either. Though south had more miscgenation and upward mobility of these types than in the north and hence south Indians are considerably darker.

  268. @SkipJack
    She's ugly but she looks genuinely genuine if you know what I mean??

    Darker south Indians on average are much less cocky and arrogant compared to the relatively few Hindi speaking Northern Indians in the US. Much more soft spoken although they are as much ethnocentric but they don't have a fake air about themselves

    Educated Indians whether from north or south in U.S have a cock of the walk attitude which can be off putting. Most north Indians in U.S are not from Hindi speaking states but from Punjab and Gujarat which are prosperous states and they dominate the popular culture in India. Hence they give off those airs. South Indians generally are more mild mannered an d a tad self effacing. But pushed too far, their rage can be quite deadly . e.g LTTE, Naxalites, Tamil mafias in Mumbai, Kerala labourers who beheaded Saudis etc.

  269. DZK says:
    @Dr Van Nostrand
    Indian Christians are solidly middle class and mostly concentrated in the south. Catholic school education(even Protestants attend) produces solid citizens for the most part. But you wont find over achievers such as CEOs like you do with Brahmins and other upper castes or Sikhs and Jains for that matter. Neither would you find a criminal underclass among Christians apart from some rogues such as YSR Reddy and his sons.

    In other words, Hindus have extremes of wealth and poverty . Not so much with Sikhs ,Jains and Christians.

    I’m not 100% about your CEO claim. Brahmins are ~5% of India’s population. Christians are less than half that. So already you’d expect fewer Christian CEOs. But there are a fair number of Indian CEOs with Christian last names: Menezes, Kurian, D’Souza, Alukkas, Varkey, George Muthoot.

    Also I’ve noticed that a lot of the richest Hindu CEOs (I’m talking billionaires) in India tend to be non-Brahmins from more mercantile castes/ethnicities: Marwaris, Khatris, Gujuratis, Sindhis.

    Of course the biggest Indian overachievers in this regard = Parsis. The Ashkenazi Jews of India, but they’re an even tinier minority

    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand

    But there are a fair number of Indian CEOs with Christian last names: Menezes, Kurian, D’Souza, Alukkas, Varkey, George Muthoot.
     
    Apart from DSouza, pretty much all these names are Syrian Christian from the state of Kerala, like the Parsees they were a mercantile caste from Persia. Unlike the Parsis who werent persecuted by Muslims(that is a false claim) , Syrian Christians were discriminated and killed by Zoroastrian Sassanids.
    They set up shop in Kerala trading spices and such and were successful every since. They were given privileges and rights similar to Brahmins and they look down upon converts from the later eras be they Catholic under Vasco da Gama or Protestant under Dutch and British missionaries.


    Also I’ve noticed that a lot of the richest Hindu CEOs (I’m talking billionaires) in India tend to be non-Brahmins from more mercantile castes/ethnicities: Marwaris, Khatris, Gujuratis, Sindhis.
     
    Many Brahmin CEOs are in the tech sector such as Infosys and Google .

    Of course the biggest Indian overachievers in this regard = Parsis. The Ashkenazi Jews of India, but they’re an even tinier minority
     
    Parsees were bootlickers and lackeys of the British. The number of freedomfighters in the Parsee community is exactly zero. ANd they were rewarded handsomely for their subservience. Granted most Indians eventually colluded with the British but there was no such thing as India and many did it only after they were defeated and granted considerable autonomy in their affairs.
  270. @Tired of Not Winning
    I had to look it up. Circassia was a Northwest Caucasian country invaded by Russia. Many Circassians were displaced and today the largest population of Circassians can be found in Turkey(1m - 7m), Russia (720k), Jordan (65k-180k) and Syria (80k-120k).

    Interesting. I never thought Turks were particularly good looking.

    I doubt the numbers are that high, especially in terms of self-identification. The people who are most interested in knowing the numbers are also interested in fudging them to make them seem higher. It’s a common game in our region.

    We had our own Circassians. Totally assimilated now, otherwise even a small number identifying as such would be granted a Member of Parliament as a historical minority present before Romania’s unification in 1918 (some of them have less than 2000 people, officially – Jews, Italians – the newer Israelis and Italians do not count, this is a “tribal affiliation” thing).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mihail_Cerchez

  271. @Autochthon
    I don't doubt a word you wrote about Barnum's shenanigans, but my casual perusal of currently available photography suggests most Circassian women today would never be kicked out if my bed for eating crackers.

    What do you have against crackers?

  272. @Intelligent Dasein
    Once there was an Indian couple who owned a liquor store I used to frequent. They were pretty much absentee landlords and rarely to be seen. Their lower class (and, I gather, much put upon) White staff took care of the daily operations while they were off doing whatever it is that they do. But one day in the store I chanced to see the man---and his wife.

    She was not as classically beautiful as any of these women. She was darker and fuller figured, with a rounder face. But there was something so hypnotically feminine about her that all my instincts sprang into action. I passed her in the aisle and we had one of those moments where the world stops turning. I looked at her with a firm and breathless determination. She looked back at me with that peculiar expression of female desire that is scarcely to be distinguished from anger. We lingered for a moment, and went our ways.

    Of course it was not to be; but that moment, now 7 years passed, is firmly planted in my mind. I always hoped that I would see that woman again, but I never did.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamihlapinatapai

    “a look shared by two people, each wishing that the other would initiate something that they both desire but which neither wants to begin.”

  273. @International Jew
    There's a whole town of them you can visit:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kfar_Kama

    Interesting. Had no idea!

  274. @DZK
    I'm not 100% about your CEO claim. Brahmins are ~5% of India's population. Christians are less than half that. So already you'd expect fewer Christian CEOs. But there are a fair number of Indian CEOs with Christian last names: Menezes, Kurian, D'Souza, Alukkas, Varkey, George Muthoot.

    Also I've noticed that a lot of the richest Hindu CEOs (I'm talking billionaires) in India tend to be non-Brahmins from more mercantile castes/ethnicities: Marwaris, Khatris, Gujuratis, Sindhis.

    Of course the biggest Indian overachievers in this regard = Parsis. The Ashkenazi Jews of India, but they're an even tinier minority

    But there are a fair number of Indian CEOs with Christian last names: Menezes, Kurian, D’Souza, Alukkas, Varkey, George Muthoot.

    Apart from DSouza, pretty much all these names are Syrian Christian from the state of Kerala, like the Parsees they were a mercantile caste from Persia. Unlike the Parsis who werent persecuted by Muslims(that is a false claim) , Syrian Christians were discriminated and killed by Zoroastrian Sassanids.
    They set up shop in Kerala trading spices and such and were successful every since. They were given privileges and rights similar to Brahmins and they look down upon converts from the later eras be they Catholic under Vasco da Gama or Protestant under Dutch and British missionaries.

    Also I’ve noticed that a lot of the richest Hindu CEOs (I’m talking billionaires) in India tend to be non-Brahmins from more mercantile castes/ethnicities: Marwaris, Khatris, Gujuratis, Sindhis.

    Many Brahmin CEOs are in the tech sector such as Infosys and Google .

    Of course the biggest Indian overachievers in this regard = Parsis. The Ashkenazi Jews of India, but they’re an even tinier minority

    Parsees were bootlickers and lackeys of the British. The number of freedomfighters in the Parsee community is exactly zero. ANd they were rewarded handsomely for their subservience. Granted most Indians eventually colluded with the British but there was no such thing as India and many did it only after they were defeated and granted considerable autonomy in their affairs.

  275. 200 word blog post with picture of pretty ladies?

    Cue the great debate!

    unz readers are really insufferable boomers sometimes.

    • LOL: Dr Van Nostrand

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