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The comedian has died at 61 of cancer.

 
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  1. Barnard says:

    He was an incredible comic. Who knows how big his career would have been if it had not been for the feud he had with Don Ohlmeyer over all his O.J. murder jokes on Saturday Night Live.

  2. That’s sad to hear. He should have at least outlived Letterman.

    • Replies: @Richard B
  3. usNthem says:

    Too bad. He was one of the latter day snl guys who was actually funny.

    • Agree: Bernie
  4. The Jedi felt this one

    • Agree: The Anti-Gnostic
  5. Carol says:

    Men die way too young.

    • Replies: @John Derbyshire
  6. This is awful news. Not only was he funny, he was as based as you could be and still be a working comedian. And he had the courage of his lack of convictions: recall his bit long ago, at some ESPN awards show, with an audience largely composed of black athletes, at which he said (I’m quoting from memory here…) to Charles Woodson — the University of Michigan defensive back who had just won the Heisman Trophy — “well, they can’t take that away from you…unless you kill your ex-wife and a waiter.” The horrified looks on the faces of audience members said it all: blacks and whites alike largely suspected that O.J. had, literally, gotten away with murder, but to say it publicly in front of black athletes and the white people who worship them? That was unforgivable.

    Norm was also a great guest on the late night talk shows (Conan, Letterman, etc.). Snappy comebacks galore, usually at the expense of the host or one of the other guests. Fortunately, much of his best work is available on YT.

    Ave atque vale.

  7. anon[276] • Disclaimer says:

    That joke was done with Margaret Cho: https://twitter.com/RAZ0RFIST/status/910340319715061760

    I remember several years ago some debate took place here in the comments concerning his appearance… don’t remember whether any of the speculation included mentions of chemo.

    And here he is alluding to Bill Cosby back in ’99 (4:00 minute mark, but the whole is pretty good).

    • Replies: @JR Ewing
  8. Bumpkin says:
    @Gary in Gramercy

    Norm was also a great guest on the late night talk shows (Conan, Letterman, etc.). Snappy comebacks galore, usually at the expense of the host or one of the other guests. Fortunately, much of his best work is available on YT.

    Yep, classic clip:

    • Agree: MEH 0910
  9. To watch him tell that ISIS joke is a thing of beauty:

  10. This is sad. He will be missed. No joke. Some of us who don’t follow celebrity and entertainment news had no idea he was suffering.

    Rest In Peace, Norm, and Thank You.

  11. I heard about this earlier and it really hit me harder than the usual announcement of any celebrity who died. Norm was one of the few people who didn’t give a fuck about PC cancel culture, he said what he believed, pointed out hypocrisy, nonsense, and refused to apologize for jokes. He spoke his mind, wrote & narrated his amazing book, had a great podcast (episodes on YouTube), and played the dummy while he was usually the smartest guy in the room. He had a true sense of humor, mixed with his strong Christian and moral beliefs, and was respected by his peers, which is very rare these days. There’s many video clips available of him on YouTube, some of the best are from when he had a podcast and would have his guests read jokes they were unprepared for (The episode with Super Dave that had the joke “A gold chain would be make a good retirement gift for a really good slave”) or this episode with Gilbert Godfrey, where they are both just riffing.

    Norm was the last of a certain generation of humor, combining dry humor, wit, inside jokes, and not giving a fuck about whether people GOT the joke or not.

  12. Zoos says:

    I held off proclaiming that satire was dead, following Will Farrell’s winning of the Mark Twain Award. I thought, “maybe the decision makers are being satirical right out of the gate.”

    Subsequent “winners” extinguished my most cherished hallucination.

    Clearly, popular satire has effectively expired, along with the only popular comedian who deserved having his name mentioned as an artistic contemporary of Twain. Who else is left?

    As the mindless rapidity of technology, as well as our transforming the presidential elections into a WWE event, has made nuclear annihilation a given–a Chinese nuclear submarine can launch multiple warheads from off the coast of Catalina island, effectively eliminating Los Angeles County, including the entire harbor, in under 5 minutes–Norm Macdonald’s passing is simply an echo of approaching hooves heralding a few infamous horsemen’s inevitable arrival.

    I suspect if Norm could give advice to what’s left of our current stable of “progressive comedians” still living, he might say,

    “Dance like everyone is watching, and you’re going to die soon.”

  13. J.Ross says:

    Well, he certainly looked like he was dying, and now he is no longer in pain.
    ——-
    The complete worthless textbook traitor Milley sees surrender as not just a way of dealing with Pathans. During the Trump administration he established a channel with the Chinese (hey, wasn’t there, like, a certain attitude during those years about public officials who communicated with foreign officials?).
    The silver lining is that Milley told the Chinese that everything was okay, and [huge Norm MacDonald face made out of blue and white flowers looming up out of the sky] you know what it means when General Milley says everything is fine.

  14. Anonymous[325] • Disclaimer says:

    What terrifies me is if ISIS were to detonate a nuclear device and kill 50 million Americans. Imagine the backlash against peaceful Muslims?

    For that to happen, ISIS would have to take a break from working with Israel to destroy Syria.

    Which nation in the Middle East has nuclear weapons? Which nation supports ISIS terrorists?
    Israel and Israel. Anyone hear of the Samson Plan?

    Norm Mac, rest in peace, was an idiot. Zionists favor the likes of ISIS who are a bunch of anarcho-medievalists who would never be capable of creating WMD’s. Iraq, Libya, and Syria were targeted for their relative modernity and secularism. Thomas Friedman, for one, prefers ISIS to Assad, a tolerant Arab leader trained in the West.

    But maybe just maybe, if we keep bashing Muslims, the rich Jews will be on our side.

    PS. Why blame the Muslims for 9/11? Should all Europeans have been blamed for the sinking of Lusitania? Should all Asians or Buddhists have been blamed for Pearl Harbor?
    And if Muslims are the problem, why has the US and Israel been on the side of theocratic regimes of Saudi Arabia and Emirates than with more secular-oriented Arab nations that have been slated for destruction?

    But let’s pretend Norm Mac was so brave because he sided with Bill Maher on the Muslim issue.

  15. Crushing loss. We can’t afford to lose our truth-tellers.

  16. @Buzz Mohawk

    Lol to the joke, not the condolences.

  17. Moneyquote: “It’s funny is how Big Pharma is evil until now.”

  18. Anonymous[305] • Disclaimer says:

    Norm MacDonald was hilarious. I don’t know how he got away with his anti-Semitic and Holocaust material, though I think it probably did affect his post-SNL career and getting more mainstream gigs:

  19. anon[298] • Disclaimer says:

    indeed. he was too funny to be allowed to comment on unz.com.

  20. I normally don’t bother with R.I.P. for entertainers, but I really did like this guy. He actually wasn’t a woke cuck, like the large majority of them. This one is a real loss.

  21. StevenZ says:

    Sad. Norm was one of very few entertainers today who was worth anything.

  22. Sad news, to be sure.

    The other day I was reading clickbait about an SNL curse – Gilda Radner, Phil Hartman, Chris Farley. But statistically you would expect a certain number of deaths after 46 years.

    Has there ever been a show with an honest-to-God unexplained large number of improbable deaths among the starring cast? Glee?

    (The Conqueror has this reputation, but that was a movie, and the deaths were due to cancer contracted after the cast and crew were exposed to nuclear radiation released by atomic-bomb testing near the filming site.)

    • Replies: @Pontius
  23. slumber_j says:

    Yeah, Norm MacDonald was an amazingly funny guy–the funniest person left, pretty much. Gum-chomping Burt Reynolds, The Moth Joke, “and once again, Germany chose as its enemy…The World!”

    I’m very sorry to say I never met him, but thanks to a friend who’s a friend of Norm’s best friend Jim Downey I do have a voicemail from Norm on my cell phone accusing me of stealing his jokes. For reasons too stupid to explain, he left it one night when the three of them were having dinner together.

    I’ll never erase it… Except that one day I will, by mistake.

    • Thanks: Buzz Mohawk
    • LOL: bomag
  24. ChrisZ says:
    @Gary in Gramercy

    Very well put, Gary. Thanks.

    Earlier today I received an alert with a headline about an “SNL alum” who had died after a “secret battle with cancer.” Out of curiosity I followed up on the teaser to see who it could be, half expecting that I wouldn’t recognize the name. When I saw it was Norm, my heart sank—for all the reasons you note, Gary, but above all because he was genuinely funny.

    I remember him early in his standup career, doing an offbeat bit about being “attacked” by his pet dachshund (he referred to it with relish (!) as a “wiener dog”). It was different from what comics of the time were peddling, and I wasn’t surprised years later to hear his “heterodox” takes on current events, like the OJ joke you mentioned.

    I knew, of course, that Steve would pay tribute to him with that classic tweet—which truly exemplifies the iSteve spirit, at its most mischievous. Rest In Peace, Norm.

  25. JimDandy says:

    Norm: Who are safer drivers, men or women? Well, according to a new survey, 55 percent of adults feel that women are most responsible for minor fender-benders, while 78 percent blame men for most fatal crashes. Please note that the percentages in these pie graphs do not add up to 100 percent because the math was done by a woman.

    (Audience groans, laughs uneasily)

    Norm: For those of you hissing at that joke, it should be noted that that joke was written by a woman. So now you don’t know what the hell to do, do you?

    (Audience laughter increases)

    Norm: Nah, I’m just kidding. We don’t hire women.

    (Audience erupts into laughter, applause)

    • Thanks: Gabe Ruth
  26. Jack D says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Some of us who don’t follow celebrity and entertainment news had no idea he was suffering.

    You could have followed it full time and you still would not have known. He kept this information strictly private because he didn’t want his audiences to have their enjoyment of his comedy diminished by their knowledge of his illness. You really don’t want to know that your jester has a fatal disease – it really kills the comic vibe. His job was to make people laugh, not cry.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
  27. Norm’s “autobiography,” Based on a True Story, is a work of genius IMHO. It’s an undefinable genre of fact, fiction, reminiscence, hyperbole, comedic riffing, philosophy, and storytelling. Pro-tip: get the audible version narrated by Norm himself, natch:

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01L0GDSHY?pf_rd_r=6WCFM7SJ58KY70Y0G14N&pf_rd_p=8fe9b1d0-f378-4356-8bb8-cada7525eadd&pd_rd_r=a0116dc6-76f5-4504-9c43-e75ee143439c&pd_rd_w=HxQBZ&pd_rd_wg=I02co&ref_=pd_gw_unk

    • Agree: slumber_j, Sick 'n Tired
    • Thanks: PaceLaw, Captain Tripps
  28. RIP Norm. Terrible loss. No other comedian compared. Loved the OJ stuff on SNL weekend update, but his gift basket sketch with Conan after he lost the Tonight Show was pure genius. What a sweet man.

  29. Thomas says:

    RIP. I wonder how much of his based IDGAFness was because he’d been looking death in the eye for awhile.

  30. NC says:

    I’ve been a huge fan throughout his career and I had no clue he was even sick. This is horrible news. He got in trouble a few years ago for criticizing some lesbian comic for doing a comedy special about her cancer struggles for being maudlin and self absorbed, and everyone thought he was just being a curmudgeon. Norm was apparently a real life stoic.

    MacDonald’s standup and sketch comedy were good, but his best material was his interviews and podcasts from the past decade or so where you could see his quick thinking in real time. I’d recommend one of the compilations on youtube of his Dennis Miller or Adam Corolla interviews to anyone who just remembers him as the weekend update guy.

    This is my favorite TV comedy moment of all time. His inventiveness and comedic speed and timing are several steps ahead of O’Brien. The poor lady tries to play along but is totally scorched by the end of the clip.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
  31. A fellow of infinite jest. One of the funniest of his cohort, and the sanest.

    In addition to his many other gifts, Norm was the chief architect of the post-modern deadpan. The traditional deadpan, a la mode du roi Christopher Walken, involves saying the joke with a perfectly stone straight face, as if you had no idea it was funny. Norm could do this while simultaneously rocking that little smirk which gave away that he knew it: in other words, he played both sides of the street at the same time. It’s very difficult to do.

    So long, Norm. Like they always put on the marquee: Make God Laugh.

  32. RIP, Norm. Rest In Punchline!

  33. Corvinus says:
    @vinteuil

    It is when iSteve doesn’t offer the required context.

  34. steve remarks on the death of a guy who’d never be allowed to comment on unz.com.

    as steve martin said, “enough with comedy let’s tell jokes.”

    what a hypocrite!

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lifestyle-buzz/if-you-laugh-at-these-dark-jokes-you-re-probably-a-genius/ar-BB19rMPX
    Tina Fey sums up the difference pretty well: “If you want to make an audience laugh, you dress a man up like an old lady and push her down the stairs. If you want to make comedy writers laugh, you push an actual old lady down the stairs.”

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
  35. @Thomas

    That is a very good question of thought. Maybe he felt free to express himself truly. We can thank him either way.

    His presence was rare and remarkable in the entertainment industry for our time; that is for sure. His passing is a terrible loss in that regard as well as others.

    According to Jack D., Norm did not let on about his condition, as he kept on entertaining and expressing unabashed humor. If that is true, then Mr. MacDonald deserves even more credit.

  36. Alfa158 says:
    @Gary in Gramercy

    He was the master of dark comedy. Hard to imagine anyone else not only doing “13 minute joke”, but even having the audience in stitches, or turning “Moth visits a Podiatrist” into an extended Russian novel about existential despair.
    Pure genius.

  37. This is why he was great:

    • Agree: George Taylor
    • Replies: @George Taylor
  38. @Thomas

    I think he’s always been that way, since he lost his SNL job in the mid 90s because he kept talking shit about OJ, as well as other Hollywood projects when people tried to tell him what to do.

  39. norm kept it a secret.

    the type of cancer has not been revealed.

    norm made lots of gay jokes.

    conclusion: it was an AIDS related and/or gay related cancer.

    • Troll: James Braxton, TWS
  40. Mike Tre says:

    This is a huge loss. Probably the last comedian with the courage to not to capitulate to the pressure of the Hollywood PC machine.

    Here he is eviscerating a faggoty jewish wannabe comedian for his tiresome reliance on the safest target of modern comedy: the wacky Christian.

    • Thanks: Mr. Anon
  41. @Jack D

    His job was to make people laugh, not cry.

    On that note, a few of the gems that got him fired from SNL:

    “After grisly photos of the murder of Nicole Brown Simpson were shown in court, O.J. turned his head away and wept. It was at that moment that he realized he would never be able to kill her again.”

    “In a sworn deposition this week, O.J. Simpson claimed that he never beat, choked, or hit his ex-wife with a closed or open fist. Luckily for O.J., lawyers forgot to ask if he had ever cut her head off.”

    And of course there was his opening the line on the first show back after the verdict came in: “Well, it’s official: Murder is now legal in the state of California.”

    • Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy
  42. @Corvinus

    Typical Corvinus. Go someplace where people are at your same intellectual level and appreciate your trolling. Maybe Teen Vogue.

    De mortuis nil nisi bonum.

  43. I can’t say I’m shocked, his appearance over the last few years is certainly explained by his illness. And being in the chorus of people continually urging Norm to do “more” (tv, movies, etc,) I feel a little guilty about it now. But his illness definitely lines up with his reduced work, sans that quickly cancelled Netflix talk show.

    RIP to a true legend.

    • Replies: @Jokah Macpherson
  44. NC says:
    @Thomas

    RIP. I wonder how much of his based IDGAFness was because he’d been looking death in the eye for awhile.

    Probably a little but I doubt it made a difference. You have to remember that the reason his career took a huge downward trajectory in the mid-90s is because he was fired from SNL after several warnings for mocking the OJ Simpson trial verdict. OJ was a well known personal friend of the head of NBC. Here’s a funny clip from right after he was fired talking about OJ and throwing in some observations about the gays:

  45. Mike Tre says:
    @Thomas

    I would say his illness had little to do with it. Here he is in 1998 hosting the ESPN “espies” where rumor has it he was specifically told he couldn’t mention the Monica Lewinsky issue or the OJ Simpson issue. See how he managed to do both:

    • Agree: JimDandy
  46. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    As per his custom, Norm waited until the end to show he really did get Seinfeld’s joke, by applying its premise to Jerry’s comment that “no comedian shows up anywhere for nothing” (i.e., works for no pay). Norm: “A Gentile…”

    Anyone who could make Jerry Seinfeld laugh — for real, no fake laughter involved — was a very funny man indeed.

  47. @Dave Pinsen


    Larry King was as stupid as he was ugly.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  48. @Corvinus

    I didn’t know this tweet, which was not part of a thread or response, required context.

    But I guess that’s what your little Soros masters told you to say, isn’t, little one?

  49. joe862 says:
    @Thomas

    He was always like that which is why he wasn’t more famous.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
  50. It’s too bad Norm never really broke into the mainstream. He was always a “comedian’s comedian” and a fantastic talk show guest. But he was too subversive, subtle, and meta for most tastes. And his anti-left politics certainly held him back as well — he wasn’t “conservative” but he definitely hated the left.

    Norm would’ve been great hosting a network late night talk show, letting political leftist guests rant and then tearing them apart so backhandedly they wouldn’t get it until they had left the studio. Sort of a nicer but still sarcastic anti-Left version of Letterman.

    Would have been great tonic to crap like Colbert, who is just over the top with his pro-commie corporate nonsense.

    Norm did have a long and successful career and was funny, so there’s really not too much to feel bad about on that account, though. And he died not letting people know his disease– a truly manly trait.

    May God have mercy on his soul. RIP Burt Reynolds.

    • Agree: Hypnotoad666
  51. joe862 says:
    @Corvinus

    That was fun, would’ve been better if she’d have been a less obvious idiot. I think Norm was disappointed at how vapid she was. Having to continue a conversation with someone like that is a burden.

  52. anon[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    The first 2.5 minutes is strictly priming. With the added wrinkle that by playing dumb and having you explain stuff to him, he is having you prime yourself.

    It’s an extended adult version of the kid’s prank:
    What color is cotton?
    What color are clouds?
    What color is snow?
    What color are marshmallows?

    What do cows drink?

    • Agree: Dnought
  53. @Thomas

    Maybe so, but he seriously didn’t seem to GAF his entire career. He was warned repeatedly to stop doing OJ jokes on SNL, and after the final ultimatum continued to tell them (alongside Clinton jokes). He lost the SNL gig but became immortal in the comic world.

    • Replies: @anon
  54. AceDeuce says:
    @Gary in Gramercy

    LOL. That ESPN video is priceless. Those c olored boys sho’ like “da troof’” and “da real” until the rare occasions these days that a White Man lowers the boom on them.

  55. jamie b. says:
    @Gary in Gramercy

    …he was as based as you could be…

    Someone once explained this bit of slang to me before, but I’ve forgotten what it means.

  56. jamie b. says:

    Norm Macdonald: “I’m pretty sure if you die, the cancer dies at the same time. That’s not a loss. That’s a draw.”

    • LOL: ScarletNumber
    • Replies: @MEH 0910
  57. Norm was told by the head of the network to stop making OJ Simpson jokes on SNL. Norm kept on and was fired.

    Truly a very funny guy who said what he thought and didn’t GAS otherwise.

    RIP.

    His best bit which will be taken down any second now:

    • LOL: ScarletNumber
    • Replies: @Sick 'n Tired
  58. What a bummer he’s left us. Him and UK comic Sean Lock in such a short space 🙁

  59. ATate says:

    Comedy is now over.

    RIP Norm.

    Not a funny comedian left…

    Comedy is dead, long live comedy.

  60. Dan Hayes says:

    As a paleo I knew nothing about Norm till tonight’s poignant heartful RIP from Tucker Carlson.

  61. AceDeuce says:
    @europe isn't worth saving

    Tina Fey sums up the difference pretty well: “If you want to make an audience laugh, you dress a man up like an old lady and push her down the stairs. If you want to make comedy writers laugh, you push an actual old lady down the stairs.”

    Well, as ol’ Scarface Tina would agree, it would have to be an old heterosexual White lady, preferably well-to-do, and extra credit if a “person of color” did the pushing.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  62. @robert gabriel mugabe

    He mentioned several times he was a deeply closeted homosexual.

  63. Anon[369] • Disclaimer says:
    @robert gabriel mugabe

    norm kept it a secret.

    the type of cancer has not been revealed.

    I wonder if Norm read Nassim Taleb?

    “Dress at your best on your execution day (shave carefully); try to leave a good impression on the death squad by standing erect and proud. Try not to play victim when diagnosed with cancer (hide it from others and only share the information with the doctor—it will avert the platitudes and nobody will treat you like a victim worthy of their pity” —Nassim Taleb, Fooled by Randomness

    • Replies: @Ganderson
  64. anon[134] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Milton’s Ghost

    I like Norm and he made a decent comeback from his fall from his most high-profile job on SNL (where he had become it’s main hip star), but I used to watch the show in that era and Norm simply went too meta.

    He went from making obvious jokes that everyone else skipped because of probably our culture’s over fondness for celebrity (i.e., ‘OJ is a murderer’ jokes, ‘Michael Jackson is weird’ jokes) to at the end making fun of the concept of comedy and show business itself (he would often just stare at the camera for like five seconds in an apparent meta-‘joke’ about how silly the Weekend Update premise was to begin with, etc.).

    That always comes across as just too cutesy.

  65. And yet 91 year old George Soros lives. We just can’t buy a break.

    • Agree: Muggles
  66. Now Norm can watch Henry Fonda pick blueberries anytime he wants.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  67. @Aeronerauk

    He had aged a ton in appearance over the last 10 years. It was pretty noticeable. But just as funny as ever.

  68. @Bumpkin

    The 90s have such a comfy look and feel to them, am I wrong or was it a wonderful time in America?

    • Agree: Dnought
    • Replies: @klesko
    , @Marty
  69. Charles says:
    @Anonymous

    My good golly you’re an idiot.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  70. So many good clips in the comment section!

    My humble contribution from the only time I saw him live, right after Trump got elected:

    “Everyone was surprised by the election results, but it shouldn’t have been a surprise, because there was only one guy running.”

  71. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous

    Norm Mac, rest in peace, was an idiot.

    Thanks a lot for keeping it classy and for hijacking this thread to entertain us with your Joo obsession. I’m just sad that Norm isn’t here and can’t troll you with a joke that goes completely over your head.

  72. @Johann Ricke

    Going from memory, another OJ joke of his related to the case of Louise Woodward, an air pair who was on trial for allegedly killing a child she was looking after:
    “Woodward’s attorney Barry Scheck stated in his closing argument ‘What kind of world do we live in where an innocent girl is accused of a heinous crime, while a double murderer goes free in Los Angeles.’”

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  73. Richard B says:
    @Half Canadian

    That’s sad to hear. He should have at least outlived Letterman.

    Letterman’s still alive?

  74. @Sick 'n Tired

    The video with Dennis Miller on gay pride is F’ing hilarious, a true classic. RIP.

    • Agree: Mr. Anon, V. Hickel
  75. @Anonymous

    The man’s not even in the ground, and you’re lambasting him for not being a Islamophile like you.

    Are you familiar with the social convention commonly rendered as de mortuis nil nisi bonum?

  76. JimDandy says:
    @Anonymous

    You have introduced nuance into this conversation–“Too soon,” as they say–so you’re going to catch a lot of flak. I have been a huge fan of Norm’s for decades. My favorite comedian. But some of his jokes gave me pause, because they were dependent on an ignorant embrace of The Narrative. His running jokes about Germany, for instance, were a bit lame: “Then 30 years pass, and Germany decides to go to war again. And, once again, they choose as their foe… the world!” Ugh.

    And, yeah, if ISIS killed 50 million Americans, Israel and our own Deep State would have blood on their hands. But, as a joke, I think that one works, because the subject isn’t really ISIS, specifically–it’s lampooning the moronic takeaway that the media and other liberals often have in the aftermath of Muslim terror.

    • Agree: Malcolm X-Lax
  77. From Weekend Update:

    Earlier this week, Marlon Brando met with Jewish leaders to apologize for comments he made on Larry King Live, among them that “Hollywood is run by Jews.” The Jewish leaders accepted the actor’s apology and announced that Brando is now free to work again.

    From his interview with The Daily Beast:

    But you can just do a joke about being confused about the transgender thing. And that’s the thing that I find funny, is that everyone just understands it completely, in a day. And I’m like, c’mon, man. I’m like this old man, give me a week at least to try to figure this out. My jokes all came from confusion. The one question I had [for Jenner] is, what’s a woman? She couldn’t answer it. That’s what I find most confusing about it. It’s a woman trapped inside a man’s body. Then, what’s a woman? And he had no answer. Or she, rather. You get in trouble for pronouns. She had no answer for what a woman was because women like to pretend that women and men are the exact same. But then if they are, they can’t say they are women trapped inside man’s bodies. But he’s very, or she I should say—it’s a she if you look her in the face and it’s a he when you’re shaking her giant hand. There’s nothing you can do with your hands, I realized talking to her. They haven’t come up with that yet.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  78. Pontius says:
    @Stan Adams

    I remember there being a story about a group of people with Parkinson’s disease who had worked on the set of the same television series as Michael J Fox.

    From Wikipedia:

    In 2002, an investigation was launched into Leo and Me after an unusual cluster of Parkinson’s disease cases was noted among former cast and crew members of the show. Fox and director Don Williams were among the four with the disease, along with a writer and a cameraman.[1][2][3]

    When asked about the cluster by Howard Stern in a September 25, 2013, interview on The Howard Stern Show, Michael J. Fox stated, “Believe it or not, from a scientific point of view, that’s not significant.”[4] Donald Calne, a Vancouver neurologist, said the incidence of Parkinson’s in society is about 1 in 300, but that four of the 125 people on the Vancouver set of Leo and Me developed the disease. Calne said, “It could be coincidence. But it’s intriguing, it might be something they were exposed to.”[

  79. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus

    He was trolling his guests, you nitwit. All that “ISIS hunting pass” stuff and their liberal hand-wringing he used as the build up to his joke.

    The only context relevant to any of your posts is that you are a horse’s ass.

  80. klesko says:
    @Professional Slav

    I mean it was much better than now, but there was plenty of anti-White stuff – it just wasn’t so explicit.

    “PC” started becoming a big thing around this time.

    • Agree: Dnought
  81. Kaz says:
    @robert gabriel mugabe

    Is this a joke playing on the conspiracy circuit in right wing circles where every time a man dies kinda young they blame it on secret AIDs?

  82. Mr. Anon says:

    Norm MacDonald seemed like a regular guy – maybe even in some ways, a fairly traditional guy – who just didn’t buy into the bulls**t that has come to envelope our modern age, and he satirized it in his own goofy, subversive way.

    Moreover – and this is important for a comedian – he believed that his job was being funny. Actually being funny. Making you laugh. And he did so.

    R.I.P. He will genuinely be mourned.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  83. Mr. Anon says:

    One of my favorite Norm Macdonald delivered jokes (I don’t know if he wrote it or not) was from his SNL Weekly News bit. It was something to the effect of:

    (Some Institute or Another) recently released a ranking of jobs from best to worst in terms of job satisfaction.

    The job with the highest job satisfaction……………. Actuary.

    The job with the lowest job satisfaction…………for the fourth year in a row…………Crack Whore!

  84. @Anonymous

    You’re probably not American and just don’t understand our culture well enough to appreciate Norm’s comedy. He never said a word in support of Israel.

  85. @Anonymous

    Why blame the Muslims for 9/11?

    Blame Mohammed.

    • Agree: Verymuchalive
  86. Norm at the White House Correspondents Dinner with Bill Clinton.

  87. All the Norm MacDonald Live podcasts that were removed from YouTube (presumably because of the Netflix contract) are hosted on the Wayback Machine:

    https://archive.org/details/Norm_Macdonald_Live

    When I was told he’d passed and that it was cancer a line from the podcast immediately came to mind: “He (Hitler) died? I didn’t even know he was sick.”

    RIP

    • Agree: ScarletNumber
  88. ziggurat says:

    This is a SNL clip, where Norm says:
    “These charts are wrong, because they were done by a woman.
    “For those hissing at the joke, it should be noted that the joke was written by a women.”
    “No, just kidding. We don’t hire women.”

  89. Norm reading the news at the Update desk…..

    “Yippee!! Jerry Rubin is dead!!! (LONG PAUSE, THEN) Oh I’m sorry, I misread that. I was supposed to say, ‘Yippie’ Jerry Rubin is dead.”

    History of America in five words. Gotta love Norm.

  90. @Hapalong Cassidy

    It wasn’t alleged; that au pair killed that baby

  91. @Reg Cæsar

    “The Religion of Peace” is quite the opposite. The fact that most Muslims do not follow their founder’s bloodthirsty dictums is because they are bad, that is unfaithful, Muslims.

  92. Thoughts says:
    @Anonymous

    I get what your saying.

    I get what Norm is saying

    I agree with both

    The Liberals always say ‘Don’t get mad at ALL The Muslims’ – Which in reality is code for ‘Just because they rape and murder and do suicide bombs…keep letting them into your country…cuz only 10% will do that, the rest will just be on welfare…and we need to dilute your white DNA’

    It’s hard to create a one liner to embody such a massive clusterfuck of ideas and shadow ideas and truths

    Sometimes it’s not about truth, but just getting a chuckle.

  93. Bumpkin says:
    @Anonymous

    You have a point, but I doubt it’s because he’s an idiot. It is obvious that there is a full-on propaganda war in show business- hell, he was fired because he wouldn’t stop doing OJ jokes- and you don’t rise as high as he did on pure talent alone (doing the news jokes on SNL in the ’90s was one of the top 5 comedy jobs for exposure). You need political backers and I’m sure the jews backed him in return for those Muslim jokes. Still, he was never egregious about it, and always kept the joke first, ie the stupidity of those who place a few Muslims’ feelings above millions killed.

    Given he never came across as a true believer and mostly stuck to jokes, it was a worthwhile compromise to get his subversive humor out before a larger audience on TV. You may disagree, but watch some clips from this thread before deciding.

  94. @Hypnotoad666

    Thanks; on your recommendation I bought it and started listening this morning on my commute. Norm is at his best; and eerily (warning, spoiler alert below the “More” tag!),

    [MORE]

    He starts off the book regaling an event in 2014 where his Wikipedia entry was inadvertently edited to indicate he was dead; so he thinks, “I’d better write my autobiography before I really do die!”

    RIP Norm MacDonald; you were funny and brought a bit of light to this existence; may God bless you and keep you, and comfort your family during this time of loss…

  95. Pericles says:

    Man, he was the best. RIP.

  96. Ganderson says:
    @Anon

    “Shoot straight ya bastards, don’t make a mess of it!”

    Last line of “Breaker Morant”.

    RIP Norm

    I suppose they’ll tap Adam Corolla to play the big green ball on “The Orville”.

  97. AndrewR says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    He never publicly revealed he had cancer

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  98. @R.G. Camara

    Norm doing those SNL “Jeopardy” skits as Burt Reynolds are some of the most side-splitting, laugh-til-you-cry bits of comedy ever.

  99. @Gary in Gramercy

    Wow, he actually said that? Good for him!

  100. I get the joke. Every time ISIS or ISIL or DAESH or al Qaeda murders Americans, some asshole comes on NPR and says “Let’s not blame innocent Muslims.” Norm satirized that by making it 50 million dead Americans.

    The reason why the joke is not funny is that there are too many righteous patriots are in favor of murdering innocent Muslims and they don’t think Americans should be blamed.

    The US routinely kills many times more Muslims than the number of Americans killed by Muslims, and most of the dead Americans were in some ME country for the purpose of keeping it safe for democracy.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  101. MEH 0910 says:

  102. @Anonymous

    ISIS and al Qaeda leadership are heavily influenced by the Muslim Brotherhood. For decades the Muslim Brotherhood has been a proxy for British and American intelligence. The interface between the Brits and Americans with the Israelis is seamless.

    “Why blame the Muslims for 9/11?”

    9/11 was motivated by more than one elite desire. One aspect is financial crime: the destruction of counterfeit securities at WTC used to drive the Russian economy into the ground in the early 1990s, thus making Russian assets and industry bargain buys for Western elites. In the postwar period the Saudis have been players in Western financial circles; they share some of the blame.

  103. @Reg Cæsar

    “Blame Mohammed”

    Blame Yahweh, the god of the Christians.

  104. @NC

    Totally agree. Some of his interviews in which he discusses religious issues reveal him to be seeking in a very honest and intellecutal way. Very interesting. His interview with Ann Coulter. He really changed my idea of comedians are and what comedy can be. Interestingly, his influence didn’t decrease my appreciation of my favorite comedians but increased it, while making appreciate more some comedians I didn’t care for before.

    The clip you post: I saw that one live, and it is the only time I have actually literally been ROTFLOL. Watching it now for the gazillionth time, it doesn’t have the same impact. But on first broadcast, it was absolutely amazing.

  105. Jack D says:
    @AceDeuce

    ol’ Scarface Tina

    Stay classy, dude.

    • Agree: Escher
    • LOL: AceDeuce
  106. Jiminy says:

    Just when you think you’ve got covid covered, in sneaks the big C. Last month another funny guy died, Shaun Lock, of cancer as well. Only 58 years young.

  107. @Anonymous

    “We have two lives, and the second begins when we realize we only have one.” ― Confucius

  108. Anon7 says:

    I did enjoy watching Norm MacDonald over the years, and I know that he appreciated a well-constructed joke. In that spirit, I present the new animatronic Joe Biden in Disney’s Hall of Presidents.

    • Replies: @joe862
  109. JR Ewing says:
    @anon

    I remember several years ago some debate took place here in the comments concerning his appearance… don’t remember whether any of the speculation included mentions of chemo.

    That was the second thing I thought of after I learned he died. (the first was “oh no!”)

    For the past few years his appearance on television looked off in a way, like his face was swollen from a bee sting or something. I just thought it was old age and didn’t think about it too much.

    Make sense now that it was medications for the cancer he told no one about.

  110. @Carol

    “Women live longer than us. That’s our revenge.” — P.J. O’Rourke (from memory)

  111. Wokechoke says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    That was genius. Jerry must have been very jealous of that quick wittedness. He Jewed the Jew joke. The Ability of McDonald to make up jokes on the spot has only been matched by Peter Cook. What a brain he must have had.

  112. Garlic says:

    RIP, Norm, a very talented and funny comedian.

    I have a question for those of you who follow what was happening behind the scenes.

    Several commentators have said that Norm was fired from SNL for making forbidden OJ jokes.

    How was this possible? Aren’t all the jokes on SNL written out beforehand and put up on dummy cards for the performers to read out? Couldn’t the producers have read the jokes before Norm delivered them? Or was Norm just ad libbing?

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @J.Ross
  113. @AndrewR

    I know. Jack explained that to me. I would not have known either way. All I can say is that he deserves even more credit and admiration for his strength and his willingness to go on doing what he did. This makes me think he was even greater as a man than just his comedy would indicate, and that was a lot!

    • Replies: @Bumpkin
  114. anon[307] • Disclaimer says:

    so it ws leukemia. if it was adult t-cell leukemia then it was most likely sexually transmitted.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_T-lymphotropic_virus_1
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_T-cell_leukemia/lymphoma

    recall HIV was named HTLV-III by gallo.

  115. Jack D says:
    @James Speaks

    Nothing is funny to an ideologue. Khomeini famously said “there is no humor in Islam”.

    But to normal humans, Norm’s joke was very funny because it points out that our Leftists have leapfrogging loyalties and are more concerned about the backlash against their pets than the lash against the American people, even in an extreme case where the lash is terrible. It was even funnier when the Norm trolled the Leftist lady and she completely didn’t get it and thought he was being serious. It’s the same hypocrisy that is expressed in the mock headline, “Muslim Leaders Condemn Backlash Against Tomorrow’s Terrorist Attack”.

    • Replies: @James Speaks
  116. Zoos says:

    As quite an old lump of coal myself, I feel I must remark on the loss of another of the cultural touchstones that continue to take place as we oldsters circle ever-faster the existential drain.

    When Jimmy Kimmel died from penal asphyxiation, I was not sorrowed. When Jimmy Fallon died, William Holden-style, from a drunken fall, alone, I was in a way, relieved that his suffering had ended. When Steven Colbert was found dead, under a pier in New Jersey, partially dismembered by feral seals, again, I didn’t feel a sense of cultural import.

    But when Norm MacDonald died, from cancer, that’s when it hit me. That’s when it hurt. For Norm was a good man, and a creative artist in the traditional sense, rather than within the conventional commercial construct many of us have come to loath.

    I hope it’s not so, but I suspect the death of Norm MacDonald represents another slip down another rung of the ladder of our humanity. For this, we should all bow our heads.

    Norm MacDonald was a good man.

    Perhaps many of us should strive more to be the same.

  117. MEH 0910 says:


    [MORE]

  118. joe862 says:
    @Anon7

    My speculation is that the real Biden died and they replaced him with a sex robot that was aimed at the homosexual necrophile market. Its original function was just to stumble forward, faceplant, and void its bowels. They’ve advanced it to where it can usually climb stairs and make rambling, incoherent speeches. It’s no small accomplishment.

  119. @Jim Don Bob

    Dennis Miller understood Norm’s genius and used to let him riff. There’s a great compilation of Norm calling into Dennis’ radio show to do bits. One of the best was Norm talking about his new act with some ventriloquist puppets he bought, but was having problems with it, because one of the puppets was a Holocaust denier.

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
  120. Anon[179] • Disclaimer says:
    @Garlic

    Long time writer Jim Downey and MacDonald pretty much had carte blanche over that segment of the show, and no executive really wanted to apply too much pressure to Lorne Michaels. Remember though, Jim Downey was fired as well over those jokes, so there was clearly repercussions for not toeing the line. That being said, I think Ohlmeyer and the OJ stuff gets played up with as a story which directed negative publicity away from Lorne Michaels and SNL itself.

    Norm was an extremely divisive guy. He knocked out Ian Maxtone Graham and liked to fistfight people. When he wasn’t punching them, he was making them cry (like Cheri Oteri); or ridiculing them (like Chris Katan); or ignoring/mocking them (see female writers, cast members in general.) The stand-up guys loved Norm and thought he could do no wrong but it was the opposite with the sketch comedy actors and MacDonald was never shy about his contempt for them or near the end, the show as a whole.

    • Replies: @Garlic
  121. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Ok. The ending of that video was pretty funny.

    RIP, man.

  122. @Sick 'n Tired

    Alex Majeruson was a “virulent antisemite” to the point that Norm contemplated punishing the “dummy” by burning him for his hatred of Jews, but “two wrongs don’t make a right.”

  123. Anonymous[374] • Disclaimer says:

    Norm was an extremely divisive guy. He knocked out Ian Maxtone Graham and liked to fistfight people. When he wasn’t punching them, he was making them cry (like Cheri Oteri); or ridiculing them (like Chris Katan); or ignoring/mocking them (see female writers, cast members in general.) The stand-up guys loved Norm and thought he could do no wrong but it was the opposite with the sketch comedy actors and MacDonald was never shy about his contempt for them or near the end, the show as a whole.

    I disagree about the extreme divisiveness. Near as I could tell, if you were undeniably funny, that is, not a poser, you had no worries with Norm. If you weren’t undeniably funny, and/or thought you were more than you were, or were otherwise inauthentic, Norm would light you up.

    I would imagine it rankled Norm to a degree, knowing that the limited slots on SNL were stupidly filled with the likes of Laura Kightlinger, Jeneane Garafolo, Cheri Oteri, and likely gay Chris Katan.

    The loyal longtime audience of SNL is stuck watching lame Tina Fey or unfunny hobbit-face Amy Poehler because Lorne Michaels wants to brag to his friends about how woke he is, while putting his cast through the grinder of working with mediocre women? That has nothing to do with artistic integrity, and everything to do with raw Jewish media power. Doing stupid destructive things because you can. I don’t think Norm liked that much.

  124. @Jack D

    I did not know I was an ideologue. Please kind sir, what is my ideology?

  125. Bumpkin says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Some context to Norm’s decision not to tell anyone he was dying:

    • Thanks: Buzz Mohawk
  126. Garlic says:
    @Anon

    Thanks. (I haven’t been active enough lately to be able to just push the Thanks button.)

  127. J.Ross says:

    The feminists are dealing with Norm’s death by trying to start claiming he was a sexual abuser. Which is actually great because nothing sounds closer to one of his jokes than, “Norm MacDonald, the rapist.”

  128. J.Ross says:
    @Garlic

    OJ? Don’t you remember that other famous guy from the 90s who killed people? You know, the President?

  129. @Bardon Kaldian

    For those who want to read it on their e-reader, it’s here for free:

    So he just died and we’re already looting his intellectual property?

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  130. @Harry Baldwin

    It’s Russians. And if you don’t want to participate in this global intellectual property theft- fine.

  131. Ragno says:
    @Anonymous

    Am I too late to call Anonymous [325] a mouth-breaking jerkoff?

    ‘Cos, y’know ….Anonymous [325] is a mouth-breaking jerkoff.

  132. Anonymous[374] • Disclaimer says:

    Why is nobody asking if norm had been vaccinated, or if the death was COVID-19 related?

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