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From Audacious Epigone at Unz Review:

Black Is Beautiful

In terms of physical appearance, do you think you are more attractive than average, average, or less attractive than average?:

The white distribution approximates a normal one. The non-white distributions display various levels of Lake Wobegon effect.

Race: Above Avg / Below Avg / Diff

White: 28 / 25 / 3

Black: 44 / 14 / 30

Hispanic: 40 / 17 / 23

Others: 33 / 17 / 16

We’re told society pedestalizes whites while causing people of color to feel bad about themselves. The data say otherwise.

White humility, reasonableness, realism, and/or self-loathing is a massive social factor in contemporary America, but it’s almost inconceivable in the Current Conversation.

If whites tend to be pretty good at honestly evaluating their strengths and weaknesses, while nonwhites tend to be narcissistic and, in the case of blacks, megalomaniacal in a sort of His Excellency, President for Life, Field Marshal Al Hadji Doctor Idi Amin Dada, VC, DSO, MC, CBE, Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas and Conqueror of the British Empire in Africa in General and Uganda in Particular sort of way … And nobody is allowed to point out the races’ respective biases, how can any outcomes other than mass delusion ensue?

 
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  1. It’s objectivity, consciousness, scientific perspective. We have it, and they don’t.

  2. Altai says:

    Appalling vista of the day: Immigration in and of itself selects for people with more cluster B traits on average and ethnicities with more cluster B traits on average have an advantage in gaming the immigration system through brass neckery and shamelessness and increased familialism.

    Even more appalling vista: As people become more detached from society, such as being an ethnic minority or being from a former majority in a society they no longer recognise they care less for the common good and become more individualistic and obsessed with status money and themselves.

    Despite American cultural creep into every corner of the globe (We will likely see a massive collapse in Islam in North Africa and the Levant with the coming generation) we have yet to see true WEIRDness appear outside North West Europe (Japan has been a fully developed nation in the 20th century sense for longer than a lot of Western countries and yet it has never become WEIRD) and it’s offshoots. Perhaps like the human immune system which is very sensitive to threshold effects of particular cell types tending to cause all kinds of metabolic effects, there is a threshold of certain personality types who force society to adopt certain standards in order to live with them. Like how in Italy, everyone is extra cautious and suspicious due to the presence of a critical mass of untrustworthy or anti-social people.

    This similar report seems to confirm the sense that ‘racism’ means white, core or indigenous white cohesion and interests. Meanwhile other groups see it as right and gratifying to speak out for their groups cohesion, interests, pride and status/influence.

    The ethos of multiculturalism in 2021 is thus simple (Partly why it’s so easy to make teenage girls into moral police for it):

    White people have no legitimate collective interests, rights or pride only collective responsibilities and guilt.

    Non-whites only have collective interests, rights and pride and no collective responsibilities or guilt.

    For older generations this sticks because they were a super-majority or even near 100% of the population. Other groups are like a little brother, to be protected and in no way a threat. For younger generations and in particularly gen Z girls, it’s because they’ve been totally brain-washed (Partly by said older generations) and no longer have the ability to think outside this moral paradigm which was taught to them from birth as the most important litmus test for moral correctness. Thus they seek to harm their own group because they can’t think of why that wouldn’t be, in any given situation, the right or correct thing to do. They were taught that their group expressing ethnocentrism was the ultimate mark of evil and low status.

  3. Travis says:

    for decades we have known that Blacks have higher self-esteem than whites.
    Both black women and black men have higher self-esteem than their white counterparts. Nearly three-fourths of black men and two-thirds of black women “strongly agree” with the sentence “I see myself as someone who has high self-esteem.” By comparison, 59 percent of white men, and fewer than half of white women strongly agree. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/stress-levels-poll_b_1231444

    Similarly, black men and women say they’re less stressed. Fewer than a third of black men say they “frequently” experience stress, compared to 44 percent of white men. Four in ten black women frequently experience stress, yet just over half of white women say the same.

  4. Art Deco says:

    I think you’ve overstated the problem. But it is a problem inasmuch as it has for > 50 years now policy in schools, in the media, and among bureaucratized employers to lower the signal-to-noise ratio in communicating with blacks. The blizzard of lies gets worse every year.

    You can see a more circumscribed problem with women, who have for 50 years been told by those in authority (or posing as authority) that they’re exceptional in their industry and conscientiousness, deserving of every consideration, never at fault for anything disagreeable going on in their life, and comprehensively skilled in every venue (except when the patriarchy suppresses them).

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  5. So the fools believe that “Black is Beautiful” was factual rather than aspirational?

    Half a century of unremitting media lies will do that to you.

    • Replies: @new Stalin
  6. Altai says:

    White humility, reasonableness, realism, and/or self-loathing is a massive social factor in contemporary America, but it’s almost inconceivable in the Current Conversation.

    This is what I’ve said before with regards ‘conservation of ingroupness’. You often hear Arabs, for instance, marvelling at how Americans or Western Europeans can be so ‘accepting’ (I think they often mistake tolerance and indifference for acceptance) of foreigners and yet so relatively detached from their extended families.

    This isn’t a contradiction, it is rather a pre-requisite. The same individualism that fuels the weakening of extended family ties will also weaken other forms of ingroupness. (Because what are individualism and collectivism than different amounts of responsibility a person assumes to those around them) The more ingroupness (Which is basically just collectivism) you have, the less tolerance for outgroups you have since you have more responsibility and loyalty to your ingroup. That’s what I mean by conservation of ingroupness, you’ve extended your circle of loyalty (Or a promise to treat them as equally and fairly to those who once comprised your ingroup) farther to categories of people you may have no sense of social solidarity with, meaning you treat everyone with less intimacy or devotion.

    Contrast with say a Roma family which is extremely tight-knit but which also has a highly hostile attitude to other Roma clans, their host nations and the entire world with regards a sense of fairness, rather they cheat them without a second thought. There is only so much ‘ingroupness’ and ‘fairness’ you can give.

    The ‘humility, reasonableness, realism, and/or self-loathing’ that comprises white collective psychology in America is not too far from a perfect description of a ‘nice guy’ who treats everyone he meets with the same fairness. But what happens when the nice guy meets somebody who doesn’t reciprocate? What happens when our nice guy meets a psychopath or narcissist?

    • Thanks: Pheasant
    • Replies: @ben tillman
    , @AceDeuce
    , @Sean L
  7. mc23 says:

    Realistic self appraisal, honesty, humility and the ability to subordinate immediate self gratification, it’s how the West won the world. Christian values, a coincidence?

    • Agree: ben tillman
  8. Twinkie says:
    @Altai

    Whites view all races equally.
    All other races view themselves most positively.
    All other races view whites most negatively.
    Blacks are exceptionally self-positive.

    Another way to look at the data, of course, is that white stated preferences diverge highly from white revealed preferences. Marriage, residential, and other data that show actual preferences clearly demonstrate that whites don’t live what they say they prefer on these surveys.

    So these survey data don’t show so much white “fairness” as white predilection for seemingly conforming to the dominant egalitarian ideology of the day. If the shoes were on the other side, WN-types would be decrying it as lying and cravenness.

    And to be fair, other races aren’t exactly super truthful on these surveys either. Asians rate blacks higher than whites? Yeah, right. Let’s look at the marriage data. That’s more likely Asians showing paper deference to the reigning pro-black ideology too.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @216
    , @Polistra
    , @TTSSYF
  9. J.Ross says:

    Unfair! Do the blacks know what “average” means? Are they Lake Wobegonians? The oft overlooked but musically brilliant Minnesotan black has been quite exuberant of late.

    • Replies: @Polistra
  10. J.Ross says:
    @Twinkie

    Yeah but
    if they don’t vote with their feet
    if they reside one way and vote another way
    the rest of us have to live under the hypocritical regime of how they voted and not how they houseshopped

    • Agree: 216, Twinkie
  11. Anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Marriage, residential, and other data that show actual preferences clearly demonstrate that whites don’t live what they say they prefer on these surveys.

    Marriage and residence aren’t evidence of preference, and the two factors are interdependent. Whites marry mostly white because they are born in and reside within mostly white communities for most of their lives. Nonwhites live in more diverse neighborhoods and are more likely to marry out.

    There are multiple studies to indicate that whites both inside and outside of diverse areas don’t prefer their own race, in particular, white males in monoracial environments are more attracted to Asian and half-Asian female faces, and in diverse cities they tend to seek the courtship of Asian and Hispanic women more so than white women.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @Wilkey
    , @Jay Fink
  12. Arclight says:

    I commented on the AE post as well, but although I think there is some truth in blacks having higher self regard, a fair share of it is just putting on a front. They go through a lot of effort to put on the appearance of doing better than reality and spend a bigger share of their incomes on visible symbols of prosperity like cars, clothing, electronics etc. than other groups do.

    Of course no one wants to examine closely what this means for the oft-mentioned wealth gap or why black mortgage applicants of comparable incomes to whites are frequently offered loans with higher interest rates, or not offered loans at all. The biggest retailers in the country undoubtedly have a wealth of very interesting data on consumer spending habits – too bad Raj Chetty hasn’t gotten his hands on that.

    • Agree: TTSSYF
    • Replies: @Polistra
  13. As I commented-this all is fake…

    Blacks have always insisted that “black is beautiful” & similar self-deception because they know they’re looked upon as ugly and stupid and utterly savage. That’s their perception among normal whites, Indians, Asians, Mestizos,…

    So, their saying they like being black is a huge lie. Just look at procedures Michael Jackson went through to bleach himself, or numerous cosmetic products & operations that would make them as white as possible. Among popular culture, Mulattoes are afraid their progeny will go way back to shitskin negritude.

    I think Diana Ross & some other entertainers feel the same- don’t go back to black. That’s why all the hair industry & what not.

    Blacks, males, frequently try to think of themselves as irresistible to white females. But they mostly get landwhales & crumbs from the table. I am not speaking about morality, but who are the most “successful” lotharios in modern Babylon, Hollywood? Whites, from Brando, Beatty, Nicholson to DiCaprio. No blacks. Even among whoring Hollywood females.

    There is one thing that could contradict my statement. Perhaps average blacks, being simply dumber & without self-reflection, truly mean that. But that just shows their confidence is based on self-delusion.

    I’ve noticed that Arabs, most of them, still think they’re “manlier” than Israelis. Then I said- if so, how Israelis had beaten you to the pulp in any war from 1948. And it was not just technology. They own you- and you’re afraid. Then- who’s the boss? Who’s better. Who’s dominant? No media, finances, culture- but manliness. You got trashed.

    Nervous smiles and change of the subject.

    Blacks are probably self-assured because of media & their aggrandizement in some sports. If sports- which is a primitive form of masculinity- had been shown in all their richness (water sports, air sports, volleyball, UFC, handball, winter sports, hockey, tennis, …)- the self-image of blacks would be strongly reduced & they’ll be put in their place.

    Where are they among special military units (Green Berets, Seals, Rangers, ….)?

    Simply, most blacks are poor & are stuck with their blackness (society, culture,…), so they they try to pump up some pride to compensate for their shortcomings. If there were cosmetic or genetic procedures to make them white, they would use them all in a nanosecond to flee from blackness.

    Of course- this all is superficial. When Lenin or Hitler, small people, talked- all macho soldiers marched. The ultimate manliness is the strength of a character, unattainable to most blacks.

    • Agree: TTSSYF
    • LOL: Pheasant
  14. @Altai

    New drinking game: Every time Altai mentions “Cluster B personality traits”, you have to take a drink.
    You’ll be drooling on your keyboard in no time.

  15. Ugly is the new beautiful.
    Delusional is the new realistic.
    Murderous is the new peaceful.

  16. @Travis

    And yet, they’re still grieving for Emmett Till. The rage, the grief, the long con

  17. Ian Smith says:

    How much of blacks calling themselves beautiful is frontin’?

    • Replies: @Matt Buckalew
  18. Michelle says:

    It is a well known fact that many African American men are not selective when it comes to picking sexual partners. This gives Black women an elevated sense of their own attractiveness. Yesterday, as I walked past the liquor store I pass on my way to work, a twenty something, handsome, black guy came walking out of the store to get in his fancy leased car. Yes, a black cat crossed my path. He looked at me and did a double take. “You got a boyfriend?”, he asked. I didn’t let it go to my head. I am 59, after all and have been around the block a few times.

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
  19. Whites are bombarded, from cradle to grave, with disinfo claiming they are the most evil people that ever lived. Years of brainwashing takes its’ toll (and results in drug abuse and suicides)

    Blacks are living out the we wuz kangs narrative, they can do no wrong, and the system approves of them even when they are destructive.

    No wonder the self image of whites is so low.

  20. @ben tillman

    It’s objectivity, consciousness, scientific perspective. We have it, and they don’t.

    Also, in aggregate, better looks. There, I said it. 🙂

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  21. TTSSYF says:
    @Travis

    Do you think they really believe it? Or, on some deeper level, are they merely deceiving themselves? If not, why the anger and hatred?

    I think it’s because, deep down, they don’t believe it.

    • Replies: @Travis
  22. His Excellency, President for Life, Field Marshal Al Hadji Doctor Idi Amin Dada, VC, DSO, MC, CBE, Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas and Conqueror of the British Empire in Africa in General and Uganda in Particular

    But Ugandans really feared his State Research Bureau and Public Safety Unit.

    He knew how to name things for effect!

    • LOL: Father O'Hara
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  23. Anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Hitler was 5’9″ — that’s a big guy for the standards of his time (birth date ~late 1800s). Would be equivalent to 6’1″ or 6’2″ today.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    , @Anon
    , @Ben tillman
  24. Anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Lol – so fake.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Reg Cæsar
  25. Mike Tre says:

    For a race of people who are seemingly so self confident, negroes sure do seem to have a massive inferiority complex.

    It seems to me that an individual who has high self esteem would laugh or shrug off disparaging comments as insignificant (stick and stones, etc.) instead of flying into a confrontational rage about the most benign perceived slight. ( watchoo mean, you people?)

    It also seems like people who are secure in their appearance would not work so hard to alter it (wigs, extensions, colored contact lenses, hair die, bizarre makeup applications and accessories.)

    It’s an interesting juxtaposition.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @TTSSYF
  26. A film treatment? Rumer has it…

  27. Anonymous[366] • Disclaimer says:

    That’s what makes Donald Trump’s con so funny. Conservative whites tended to realize his hyperbole was a put-on, and could even tell that Trump knew it was a put-on and that he wasn’t necessarily believeing his own schtickt.

    But it allowed him to say certain things and smash the Overton Window for us. And we all enjoyed it until we knew he couldn’t follow through on the real needs of people like us.

    Now contrast that with Barack Obama, who truly thought he knew everything and in some ways had worked his way up from nothing with intellect unlike Trump or Bush or others ever could. But he also never could acknowledge that his path was plowed somewhat by Affirmative Action and post-1960s whites enamored by the crease in his pants and diction.

    • Disagree: TTSSYF
  28. All you have to do is listen to pop music to realize this.

    Whites are self-flagellating over lost loves, past mistakes, and personal demons while black brag about how great they are.

    And while that’s a generalization and you can find exceptions, it’s true on average — and that’s what counts.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  29. 216 says: • Website
    @Twinkie

    Another way to look at the data, of course, is that white stated preferences diverge highly from white revealed preferences. Marriage, residential, and other data that show actual preferences clearly demonstrate that whites don’t live what they say they prefer on these surveys.

    These data figures are backward looking, reflective of the past before the dawn of the Cultural Revolution. White liberal “hypocrisy” is becoming a thing of the past, they fully intend to sink us all down with them.

    Asians rate blacks higher than whites? Yeah, right. Let’s look at the marriage data.

    Lets look at the data. When did Hawaii last elect a GOP Senator? Why is the GOP routinely destroyed in Bay Area elections, far worse than the GWB years? Why has Virginia been put under leftist occupation?

    Wrt to the preceding post, younger white women, particularly the “educated” are flagrantly leftist, and will severely penalize any right-wing sentiment even if the white male has “alpha” status.

    I don’t think younger white men are going to hold out forever, the Right is increasingly banned from everything, and most are just casuals that won’t become volcels for the cause.

  30. @Altai

    Appalling vista of the day: Immigration in and of itself selects for people with more cluster B traits on average and ethnicities with more cluster B traits on average have an advantage in gaming the immigration system through brass neckery and shamelessness and increased familialism.

    Another way to look at it is through the lens of virulence. Immigrants are horizontally transmitting themselves.

    • LOL: Polistra
  31. One thing I’ve noticed is about American blackness generally is how devoid of subtlety it is. Black humor tends to be loud, hyperbolic and repetitive. Rap speaks for itself (and don’t throw out jazz as a counterexample; all jazz since the passing of the big band era has been a niche genre). Films by even leading black directors like Spike Lee and John Singleton, whatever their merits, are often ham-fistedly didactic.

    And so it seems with sexual attractiveness. Attractive blacks tend to be quite striking with their sexuality on the surface. Few tend to be pleasantly pretty girls-next-door, or cute and quirky Zooey Deschanel types. Perhaps Holly Robinson Peete is an exception. The guys tend to be chiseled with strong facial features. There haven’t been any black male sex symbols like the beta-ish Mark Harmon was in the 80s, or Russell Crowe in the 90s, when he was already kind of pudgy. Maybe Sidney Poitier wasn’t in the typical black mold, but he always struck me as too much of a stiff to be a sex symbol. More admired than desired.

    • Disagree: Corvinus
  32. I guess this explains the seeds of black anger. It ain’t racism–it’s that they think with their skillset they should all be living in houses like Shaq’s crib and driving Bentleys. But they’re actually driving used Chrysler 300s with a leaky radiator and living in supportive housing. Something is wrong with this picture and it has to be the white power structure.

    • Agree: Malla
  33. @Altai

    For older generations this sticks because they were a super-majority or even near 100% of the population. Other groups are like a little brother, to be protected and in no way a threat. For younger generations and in particularly gen Z girls, it’s because they’ve been totally brain-washed (Partly by said older generations) and no longer have the ability to think outside this moral paradigm which was taught to them from birth as the most important litmus test for moral correctness. Thus they seek to harm their own group because they can’t think of why that wouldn’t be, in any given situation, the right or correct thing to do.

    Kevin MacDonald:

    https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.696.5331&rep=rep1&type=pdf

    Thus the current altruistic punishment so characteristic of contemporary Western civilization: Once Europeans were convinced that their own people were morally bankrupt, any and all means of punishment should be used against their own people. Rather than see other Europeans as part of an encompassing ethnic and tribal community, fellow Europeans were seen as morally blameworthy and the appropriate target of altruistic punishment. For Westerners, morality is individualistic—violations of communal norms by free riders are punished by altruistic aggression.

    On the other hand, group strategies deriving from collectivist cultures, such as Judaism, are immune to such a maneuver because kinship and group ties come first. Morality is particularistic—whatever is good for the group. There is no tradition of altruistic punishment because the evolutionary history of these groups centers around cooperation of close kin, not strangers. The best strategy to destroy Europeans, therefore, is to convince the Europeans of their own moral bankruptcy. A major theme of my book, The Culture of Critique: An Evolutionary Analysis of Jewish Involvement in Twentieth-Century Intellectual and Political Movements, is that this is exactly what Jewish intellectual movements have done. They have presented Judaism as morally superior to European civilization and European civilization as morally bankrupt and the proper target of altruistic punishment. The consequence is that once Europeans are convinced of their own moral depravity, they will destroy their own people in a fit of altruistic punishment. The general dismantling of the culture of the West, and eventually its demise as anything resembling an ethnic entity, will occur as a result of a moral onslaught triggering a paroxysm of altruistic punishment.

    They were taught that their group expressing ethnocentrism was the ultimate mark of evil and low status.

    As early as 1946, the American Jewish Congress was collaborating with NBC to use TV to promote the idea that pro-white political beliefs were low-status.

    • Agree: AnotherDad
  34. Twinkie says:
    @Anonymous

    Marriage and residence aren’t evidence of preference, and the two factors are interdependent. Whites marry mostly white because they are born in and reside within mostly white communities for most of their lives.

    Even whites who live in highly nonwhite areas are much more likely to marry whites. Whom people choose to marry and where they choose to live are far more accurate indicators of preferences than what people say on surveys, especially in light of the public opprobrium holding the “wrong” opinion brings today. “Right” words are cost-free, but whites marrying blacks have consequences (higher rates of divorce).

    white males in monoracial environments are more attracted to Asian and half-Asian female faces

    What I have seen is a couple of online dating site data that say that men of all races prefer Asian women. That gets repeated again and again on a forum such as this one. Moreover, while males generally tend to be less choosy about race, but females strongly prefer men of their own races especially in marriage (the possible outliers being Asian women).

    Nonetheless Asians being good partners is backed by evidence as marriages with at least one Asian partner have low divorce rates.

    There are multiple studies

    I’d like to see them.

  35. Most blacks I have ever encountered have very high opinions of themselves. I have never seen the justification for it.

  36. Polistra says:
    @Twinkie

    So these survey data don’t show so much white “fairness” as white predilection for seemingly conforming to the dominant egalitarian ideology of the day.

    Red herring. The dominant ideology calls itself egalitarian but is anything but. What these data show clearly is that whites are the only group to resist the (manifestly illogical) propaganda which contends that each and every group is dramatically superior–except whites.

  37. @Travis

    Self reflection and introspection are not black characteristics.

  38. Polistra says:
    @J.Ross

    One thing is for certain: they won’t be able to interpret these charts.

    Probably all for the best.

    • Replies: @Jeff Albertson
  39. Polistra says:
    @Arclight

    why black mortgage applicants of comparable incomes to whites are frequently offered loans with higher interest rates, or not offered loans at all.

    Typically their credit scores are vastly lower. That’s one of several reasons.

    And it’s why the “science” of credit scoring is about to change, just as school ratings have.

  40. Thomas says:

    If whites tend to be pretty good at honestly evaluating their strengths and weaknesses, while nonwhites tend to be narcissistic and, in the case of blacks, megalomaniacal… And nobody is allowed to point out the races’ respective biases, how can any outcomes other than mass delusion ensue?

    Well, on an individual level, it sometimes ends with strapping young bucks named Daunte getting sent off to grape soda and fried chicken heaven by some cornfed Midwestern Becky with a badge. Maybe it would do to point that out in a more pointed way: “your homies will laugh at you if you get killed by dis bitch.” It might daunt the Dauntes, hopefully.

  41. @Altai

    This isn’t a contradiction, it is rather a pre-requisite. The same individualism that fuels the weakening of extended family ties will also weaken other forms of ingroupness. (Because what are individualism and collectivism than different amounts of responsibility a person assumes to those around them) The more ingroupness (Which is basically just collectivism) you have, the less tolerance for outgroups you have since you have more responsibility and loyalty to your ingroup. That’s what I mean by conservation of ingroupness, you’ve extended your circle of loyalty (Or a promise to treat them as equally and fairly to those who once comprised your ingroup) farther to categories of people you may have no sense of social solidarity with, meaning you treat everyone with less intimacy or devotion.

    MacDonald:

    https://www.unz.com/print/OccidentalQuarterly-2002q2-00009/

    [Europeans] are groups with high levels of cooperation with strangers rather than with extended family members, and they are prone to market relations and individualism. This suggests the fascinating possibility that the key for a group intending to turn Europeans against themselves is to trigger their strong tendency toward altruistic punishment by convincing them of the moral blameworthiness of their own people. Because Europeans are individualists at heart, they readily rise up in moral anger against their own people once they are seen as free riders and therefore morally blameworthy—a manifestation of their stronger tendency toward altruistic punishment deriving from their evolutionary past as hunter gatherers. In making judgments of altruistic punishment, relative genetic distance is irrelevant. Free-riders are seen as strangers in a market situation; i.e., they have no familial or tribal connection with the altruistic punisher.

  42. AceDeuce says:
    @Altai

    “Pale Ebenezer thought it wrong to fight,
    but Roaring Bill (who killed him) thought it right.”

    Hilaire Belloc

  43. Anonymous[216] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Yeah, its from some grindy 70s movie, I forget which.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  44. Travis says:
    @TTSSYF

    Blacks actually do have higher self esteem than whites. This is part of the reason they often have so much anger and hatred towards whites. Due to their inflated self esteem they suspect the only reason they are less successful than others is due to racism, they cannot see any other reason. This is what we teach them from kindergarten thru college. The media and Hollywood further promote this. Most Blacks attend elementary schools which are mostly Black, so they really do not get much exposure to white and Asian students while growing up. Most of what they learn about whites is from TV or from the few loser whites who live in the hood or attend their bad schools.

    Blacks have different standards than whites and based on what is important to them they have good reasons to have a higher self esteem. They worry less about the future, they spend more time socializing and having fun, getting laid and dancing hanging out etc…while whites worry about getting into a good college or paying for college or having a good career, Blacks do not fret about this and know that if they get into a college it will be free to them. Black females do not worry about their weight or appearance as much as white girls, and Black females enjoy getting laid more due to their higher testosterone levels and being around Black men who are always willing to fornicate with them, even if they are fat. They do not worry about their reputations nor are they as concerned with getting pregnant etc… Since they worry less about the future, they have less stress and enjoy life more. This is one reason Blacks have extremely low suicide rates compared to whites. They have many reasons to feel superior to whites, who are always worried and stressed and have a harder time relaxing and letting loose.

    Whites do not lack self esteem because Asians are better at math. Whites do not lack self esteem because Blacks are better athletes and better dancers and get laid more than Whites. We have lower self esteem because we compare ourselves to other Whites who are better than us and realize we could be doing better in life of we had more skills, or a better personality or were better looking. Blacks are able to blame their deficiencies on racism. Whites hold themselves to a higher standard, and will blame themselves for their failures.

  45. Lurker says:

    That troubling black low self-esteem makes it’s presence felt yet again.

  46. @Anonymous

    Lol – so fake.

    It’s amazing that there are those who still defend Amin 40 years later. But every Idi Gourmet will have a Steve Lawrence alongside, it seems.

  47. Cato says:

    Satoshi Kanazawa used data from one of the US longitudinal studies and noted that, when asked to assess their own attractiveness, black females ranked themselves high. The interviewers, on the other hand, ranked black females low on attractiveness. He wrote a speculative article on this gap between self-evaluation and external valuation, which did not go over well (after sufficient groveling, he was allowed to keep his job). The article has vanished from the internet, but some discussion of it can still be found:

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/between-the-lines/201109/kanazawa-apologizes-black-unattractiveness-article-apparently-gets

    • Replies: @res
  48. Whiskey says: • Website

    I’m highly skeptical of McDonald, he seems full of just-so explanations and does not cover European attitudes towards non-Whites from Antiquity onwards of which we have lots and lots of evidence.

    Romans and Greeks did not much respect barbarians, but those they found beneath contempt were Africans. Who they did encounter and found basically sub-human in their writings. This attitude was echoed by European explorers in the 1400, 1500, and 1600, and 1700s, who said much of the same things. And their complaint was straight out of the Roman and Greek critiques. They wrote that the African was like a violent child, simplistic, savage, given to bouts of moodiness and extreme violence followed by extreme ebullience and at all times, avoidance of work. These were observations not just of slaves but of Africans themselves in their own environments or nearby. And that was the result of intense agriculturalists — Europeans selected for cooperation and dutiful hard work in millenia where lack of it meant starvation and death; and Africans selected for having as sexy as men as possible to keep the birth rate up. Sexy men = Africans. Sexy women = White women. The two are opposite. Violent low iq impulsive men are basically catnip to women. They can’t resist them. Because the violence implies social dominance or the ability to rise to it; while intelligence and kindness among women is catnip to men, or at least White men as it implies low cheating and thus low probability of raising another man’s child instead of one’s own. For Africans of course that is meaningless in spread your seed Wilt Chamberlain style. [He has, what 10,000 descendants?]

    The change towards Africans is visible in the 19th Century. Before fairly rapid industrialization in the 1840s, the attitudes towards Africans by European explorers might well have been written by the Portugese in the 1490s. By the 1880s it was all about the duty to uplift and protect Africans, from themselves, other Europeans, etc.

    My argument, is that White trustworthiness, White dutifulness, White individualism, White hard work, White nuclear families, simply do not scale in the massive organization of Industrial Society, and African norms of spread your seed and be low IQ violent sexy men and single mothers raising kids with different fathers certainly DOES SCALE. At the very large social level, with wealth and complexity and interconnectedness, White women in particular are in rebellion against their men and find them: dull, boring, predictable, dutiful, placating, non-violent, and “nice.” Instead of dangerous and exciting like a low level drug dealer.

    White people work very well right up to the size and complexity of Industrial Society. After that we fail, spectacularly as our former virtues becomes genetically inferior signifiers. Whereas Africans once Industrial Society is pushed upon them (they cannot create or maintain it) do very, very well indeed. They are not good for much of anything other than having kids and rioting, but they are very very good at both.

    If the Romans had wiped out every last Jew during Josephus’s time, the situation would be the same. At the macro level it is genetics, technology, and the interplay with both in the environment that matter most determitively.

    • Disagree: TTSSYF
  49. Lurker says:
    @Anonymous

    I was just looking that up.

    Apparently German male average height in the current year is a shade below 5’9″ so AH would still be just above average even now. And, yes, was very likely further above average for his own time.

  50. anon[205] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mike Tre

    For a race of people who are seemingly so self confident, negroes sure do seem to have a massive inferiority complex.

    Black fragility. It’s a real thing.

  51. duncsbaby says:
    @Michelle

    Yes, a black cat crossed my path.

    • Replies: @Michelle
    , @Michelle
  52. duncsbaby says:

    I was in Vegas over the weekend and I saw a black guy with a t-shirt that said, “Black Is A Vibe.” Imagine a white guy walking around w/a t-shirt that said, “White Is A Vibe.” He’d be kicked out of the casino.

    Of course he had a white girlfriend.

    Btw, I saw a lot of black guys w/white women in Vegas. Is this where they take their white girlfriends or is it just another ominous sign of the times?

  53. Anon[783] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    That’s the power of Victor’s propaganda they couldn’t let him just be demonically evil he had to be a dwarf as well.

  54. Wilkey says:
    @Anonymous

    Whites marry mostly white because they are born in and reside within mostly white communities for most of their lives. Nonwhites live in more diverse neighborhoods and are more likely to marry out.

    In the diverse places I’ve lived in the vast majority of relationships were same race. People tend to be more attracted to members of their own race. Even when they aren’t, they often settle for members of their own race.

    In the USA, non-whites are more likely than whites to marry out because non-whites are a minority. Say America only had two races. Race A is 90% of the population and Race B is 10% of the population. If every member of Race B married someone from Race A then 100% of Race B would be intermarried while only 11% of Race A would be.

    That logic doesn’t necessarily have to hold where there are three or more races. The majority race could not intermarry at all while the minority races could intermarry a great deal, but in practice it holds true. Asian/White intermarriages may account for a huge percentage of married Asian women, but they can (for now) only account for a small percentage of married white men.

    • Agree: Twinkie
    • Replies: @anon
  55. Cortes says:

    For a brief period there was a (white) zoomer in my workplace who referred to himself as “Handsome Bob”, possessed of boundless and totally misplaced (among sentient humans) optimism about his irresistible good looks. He enjoyed success with the saddest of the skanky females for a short while. Some anthropologist must’ve gained a PhD from studying him.

  56. On the other hand, all I see is the lack of self-esteem that leads swathes of your race to chop their penises off and claim to be women rather than stuffing back Feminism from whence it came.

    Gay. Literally gay.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
  57. @Darwin's S-list

    “the beta-ish Mark Harmon was in the 80s,”

    Mark Harmon won 17 of the 22 games he started for UCLA as a 170 pound running quarterback. In his first start in 1972, he beat #1 ranked Nebraska.

    I don’t think he did steroids like other actors started to do in the 1980s. Instead Harmon got into distance running.

    I find it interesting to contrast him to actor Gary Sinise, both of whom I used to see at my son’s high school where their kids went as wel. At the same age Harmon was a heroic jock, Sinise was a heroic theater kid starting up the famous Steppenwolf Theater and serving as its artistic director. Sinise got into weightlifting and moved to the political right, while Harmon got into distance running and became a gun control advocate after his wife’s co-star was murdered by some stalker.

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
  58. @Days of Broken Arrows

    Patrice O’Neal on Radiohead’s “Creep:”

    • Replies: @Matt Buckalew
  59. Personally I think that’s why so many of them develop mental illness in middle age – once they realise no-one is interested in “aspiring” musicians or 200lb “sassy” women they go mad.

  60. @Anon

    They did the same thing to Napoleon, who was also average height for his time.

  61. @Nigerian Nationalist

    This is for you Mr. Nationalist.

    https://www.btfacollective.org/

    A large number of trans woman are black. I am sure they all consider themselves stunningly beautiful and empowered.

  62. TTSSYF says:
    @Twinkie

    Another way to look at the data, of course, is that white stated preferences diverge highly from white revealed preferences. Marriage, residential, and other data that show actual preferences clearly demonstrate that whites don’t live what they say they prefer on these surveys.

    Yes, as I read elsewhere, the only thing holding this country together is hypocrisy; i.e., the vast majority of those espousing wokeness don’t really believe it or live by it.

  63. TTSSYF says:
    @Mike Tre

    Exactly. Me thinks they doth protest too much.

  64. Paleoconn says:

    Dr. Revrum Martin Luther King Jr., DDS, CPA, Esquire

  65. Steve, you list Idi Amin’s “title”. You might be being a bit sarcastic but, notice that blacks tend to be into “the title thing”. Perhaps it started with “They call me MR. Tibbs.”, I don’t know. But, notice that most black churches have a “Bishop” leading the congregation and that his wife is referred to as “Lady”. Here in the Charlotte/Mecklenburg area of NC there’s a black woman who was/is on city council then county commission. She got an honorary doctorate from some HBCU after giving a speech. Now she and all her cohorts refer to her as “Doctor” Leake.

  66. @Polistra

    I’d like to see a study of self-percieved intelligence sorted by race, and by IQ.
    “I’m hot and wicked smart, and by golly, people like me!” -Stuart Smalley

  67. Ha ha. The ugliest people think they are the best looking. That means they are also the least intelligent and self-aware. No surprise there. Blacks and Hispanics are simply very dangerous and obnoxious 12-year-olds. I’ve been around a LOT of these people and the negative stereotypes are all true.

    • Agree: AceDeuce
    • Troll: Corvinus
  68. anonymous[198] • Disclaimer says:

    Narcissism is applicable at the national level. While Africans are narcissistic in personal evaluations, Indians have an inflated sense about their country’s future (superpower in the near future).

  69. @Bill Jones

    If black is so beautiful, why do so very many negroes straighten their hair and often bleach it blond,or dye it red? PLEASE!

    • Agree: Swamp Fox
  70. anonymous[108] • Disclaimer says:

  71. @Travis

    “black men and women say they’re less stressed”

    And yet, … they claim to believe they are terribly discriminated against, to suffer daily hurtful micro-aggressions, etc. That sounds pretty stressful to me.

  72. @Art Deco

    “(or posing as authority)”

    I want the John Houseman pix, you have the Houseman pix. You want the Buddy Ebsen pix, I have the Ebsen pix. Yet you refuse to make a deal. What the hell is wrong with you?

  73. anon[342] • Disclaimer says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    That hatefact, along with the large number of gay blacks and hispanics, is something we are definitely not supposed to notice.

  74. @Ian Smith

    The fact snitchin’ has replaced frontin’ as the word most overheard around black people was a sign of things getting worse.

  75. @Steve Sailer

    The anti-Colin Quinn. Quinn can summarize a race in three sentences Fatrice needs three and a half hours and four snickers bars to make a single point.

  76. @Darwin's S-list

    Denzel has been pudgy for like twenty years. Last time he was lean was Remember the Titans when I was like three years old.

    Kerry Washington is pretty girl next doorish as was the black girl from clueless that Candace Owen supplanted as the Fox Newish black chick.

    That was actually pretty interesting casting in retrospect two next doorish leads in Paul Rudd and silverstone and then Stacey dash and the goofy looking guy that ended up on scrubs.

  77. S says:

    Curly set the tone, circa 1941, poking fun at Goering in ‘I’ll Never Heil Again’.

    The others that came after, though, don’t seem to have gotten the joke.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @Malla
  78. @Anon

    That’s the power of Victor’s propaganda they couldn’t let him just be demonically evil he had to be a dwarf as well.

    It’s to cover up the homo part. That would offend today’s allies.

    ‘The Peculiar Sex Life of Adolf Hitler’ offers insight into the dictator’s gay partners


    Hitler was gay – and killed to hide it, book says

    Short people got no reason to live…

  79. res says:
    @Cato

    Thanks. It took a little looking, but here is a copy of Kanazawa’s blog post for anyone who is interested.
    https://web.archive.org/web/20111006162557/https://creativeseven.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/satoshi-kanazawa-article.pdf

    • Replies: @anon
  80. @Steve Sailer

    I once saw a pic of Harmon when he was the star QB,with his fathers arm around him,celebrating some big win. I was a bit taken aback by how good looking he was. He was one of those guys who peaked early,unlike,say,Brad Pitt. Pitt’s early pictures are hideous. He looks ultra gay.

    The point? Well,I wondered what it was like to have so much at an early age. To be such a winner so young. Does it make you solid and strong,so you go through life getting tired of winning? Or maybe makes you a bit insecure,thinking your on the decline a bit early?

    George Sheehan,the famous “Running Doctor”, back in the 80s,always talked about ld runners being ectomorphs, guys who are introverted,self conscious,a bit self loathing,whose toughness is expressed not on others,but on disciplining oneself.
    I bet Harmon,for all his success,is like that. But then I could be very wrong and full of it.
    Never been a fan of Harmon’s.
    It was just that pang of envy when I saw that pic.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Twinkie
  81. @Bardon Kaldian

    “Even among whoring Hollywood females.”

    Funny you should mention “whoring.” Because if you peruse advertisements for call girls and the like, you’ll find white women charge the most, Asians charge less, and black women are dirt cheap.

    Blacks can say what they want about “black is beautiful.” But the market is what really decides such things. And the market says “No thanks!”

    (Not that I spend much time perusing ads for call girls. But I do hear about what goes on.)

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  82. anon[217] • Disclaimer says:
    @res

    Thanks for doing that work. There is nothing counterfactual on that page of Kanazawa’s blog, however I can see why it was censored – hatefacts.

    The very idea that testosterone influences physiognomy simply cannot be tolerated in the Current Year. Because Science! or Equity! or something.

  83. @Anonymous

    I believe the better sources have him at 5’11”.

  84. @Father O'Hara

    Mark Harmon’s dad Tom Harmon was the most famous college football player of the 1930s. His mother was a beautiful starlet.

    I read a Sports Illustrated article about him in 1972. It mentioned that when he’d invite his UCLA teammates over to his parent’s house in Bel-Air, they’d later ask him if it was okay for them to ask his sister out. He’d have to reply, “That’s my mom!”

  85. Jay Fink says:
    @Anonymous

    I am in a Hispanic majority city and am overall more attracted to the Latinas compared to the white women. Then again I’m in the Pacific Northwest and the white women here are less attractive (to put it nicely) than the other places I have lived.

    I don’t see a lot of mixing here with couples. Partly this is because a lot of the Hispanics here are newer immigrants who speak little or no English. Hispanics who grew up here are more likely to have a white partner, especially those who only speak English.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  86. @Days of Broken Arrows

    No, I meant whores like Angelina Jolie, Lawrence (not of Arabia) & a bunch of younger world famous women I even don’t know, just someone mentioned them.

    All white. And no one cares for blacks as erotic partners. So, even if those, morally decrepit & sexually dissolute females are not attracted to black males- it says a lot.

  87. @Jay Fink

    Well…there are Hispanics of different kinds. As I’ve mentioned in an earlier comment, I physically clearly prefer Latina bimbo to white bimbo… I don’t even consider it a race mixing (although, technically, it is)

  88. Corvinus says:

    “White humility, reasonableness, realism, and/or self-loathing is a massive social factor in contemporary America…”

    LOL, the tin cup run overeth, Mr. Sailer. There is no such thing as “white humility” or “white realism”, just humility and realism. But I get it, it’s funding time for golf and scribing, so these types of posts are now par for the course.

    “If whites tend to be pretty good at honestly evaluating their strengths and weaknesses, while nonwhites tend to be narcissistic and, in the case of blacks, megalomaniacal…”

    Replace whites, nonwhites, and blacks with PEOPLE, and you are on the right track. Otherwise, it’s mere confirmation bias on steroids.

  89. Cortes says:

    Having noted that the Audacious Epigone piece appeared on the first of April, I wanted to check whether a trolling exercise was underway. The survey indeed exists and the responses to the relevant Q seem to vindicate Carly Simon and her sisters -in-arms: males have a far greater conceit of themselves than females, apparently.

    Now, what did I do with that apricot scarf?

  90. Twinkie says:
    @S

    All that oil money and Qaddafi still had jacket sleeves that were two sizes two long. Is his tailor still alive? Where is waist suppression on that jacket? Was no one from Savile Row available?

    • Replies: @S
  91. Twinkie says:
    @Father O'Hara

    Pitt’s early pictures are hideous. He looks ultra gay.

    Didn’t some famous actor get in a mild trouble recently by saying out loud, “Scratch an actor and you find an actress underneath”?

  92. Sean L says:
    @Altai

    Perhaps the most drastic socio-cultural difference I’ve noticed from my time in various African countries where the principal social unit is the extended family is the absence of a public realm; something we take for granted in European settled lands. In the African public sphere it’s very much every man for himself.

    Not only no law as we understand it, but in spite of often elaborate displays of courtesy in some social situations, in public no sense of propriety or order at all. In Nairobi, for example, where there is tremendous traffic congestion, traffic lights are completely ignored. Sometimes a police officer will step in and direct the traffic, to avoid the inevitable snarl up, but he’ll be ignored also. And the squalor of public places is beyond the comprehension of one accustomed to European standards.

    Europeans are supposed to be “individualist” but that’s premised on obedience to social norms ingrained in our culture but actually quite exceptional, certainly from an African standpoint. A fatal weakness of ours is to project our norms on to others rendering ourselves easy prey. I was told by a young Kenyan that “You people have no culture” – what he meant in large part was that we’re keener to ingratiate ourselves with others, their music for instance, than taking pride in what is ours.

    What Europeans imagine to be “anti-racism” they see as weakness. They were also scornful of Africans who come to Europe and take advantage. More so of us for allowing them to do so. Africans in Africa can hardly credit that our governments could give free money to people, let alone single mothers even foreign ones.

    Otherwise the pithiest expression of the theme here that I know of comes from the great truth teller
    and recently departed French-American philosopher-anthropologist Rene Girard of Stanford: ‘Not only is the revolt against ethnocentrism an invention of the West, it cannot be found outside the West”.

    • Thanks: Jay Fink
  93. @Anonymous

    Yeah, its from some grindy 70s movie, I forget which.

    There would have been plenty of real such pictures had they had cameras handy. It’s like NASA’s doctored photos of the moon landings. Doesn’t mean it didn’t happen, only that they didn’t get good enough shots.

    Perhaps the Ugandans forgot to rub the wax on their Polaroids, and they were lost over time.

  94. Richard B says:
    @ben tillman

    It’s objectivity, consciousness, scientific perspective. We have it, and they don’t.

    Yep! They believe in White Supremacy more than Whites do.

    That’s why they can’t stop talking about it. Because they’re acutely aware of something Whites take for granted. Whites are capable of self-criticism and they aren’t.

    Any individual, or group, capable of self-criticism and dedicated to continuous learning, change, and growth, is always going to intellectually and morally superior to those who demand to be placed above criticism because they can’t face the truth of themselves, or admit when they’re wrong.

    Or, to put in a kind of riddle:

    Q: What’s the difference between those who can admit they’re wrong and those who can’t?
    A: Those who can get better.

    how can any outcomes other than mass delusion ensue?

    They can’t. That’s why we live in an age of mass delusion.

  95. @Altai

    Just because brain-washed ultra liberals are becoming increasing vocal and aggressive doesn’t mean their influence over society is widening. Their media channels and colleges are struggling to make money. They are having to spend more and more money to win over voters. They are being out breed by more fertile conservatives. Thanks to Covid, they got a temporary boost by an against the play win against Trump, but even the Covid pandemic favours conservatives and nationalists overall.

    Ultra liberals are like young Nazis circa 1943. They are getting more extreme and desperate, and the brain washing is becoming more intense, but that doesn’t mean they are winning the war.

  96. anon[251] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wilkey

    you’re confusing your (unreliable, hearsay, fee fees) anecdotes with the overall objective reality.

    it’s been shown repeatedly in sources like okcupid with other records of online dating and marriage stats that (desirable) white (and jewish) men are the most sought after among women of all relevant non-black demographics (while black men contra to porn addicted/media addicted memes from cucks/nerds who overestimate their sex appeal like whiskey don’t perform that well at all) which is telling since online dating reflects how a woman with access to more options sees men for raw sex appeal (reflecting how she sees different varieties of men when it comes to showing actual power within society and his ability to control her life aka male sex appeal) for a man while latinas and far eastern women at worst rival white women in how desirable they are for both white men and non-white men. this is no surprise since the most desirable (not a wigger who can only feed his women drugs and cat food, not a “middle class” trumpanzee like whiskey, not a blobby looking nerd) white men with their jewish allies dominate in terms of actual power while far eastern and latina facial features easily rival the white female’s.

    https://epc2012.princeton.edu/papers/120187

    https://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/features/ppm-a0035357.pdf

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/281226045_Positioning_Multiraciality_in_Cyberspace_Treatment_of_Multiracial_Daters_in_an_Online_Dating_Website

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13506285.2018.1475437

    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1068/p5191

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3276508/

    https://kjonnsforskning.no/en/2015/09/blond-sexy-and-immigrant

    • Replies: @anon
  97. S says:
    @Twinkie

    All that oil money and Qaddafi still had jacket sleeves that were two sizes two long. Is his tailor still alive? Where is waist suppression on that jacket? Was no one from Savile Row available?

    Yeah, Qaddafi couldn’t have caricaturized himself better if he had paid someone to do so. It almost looks as though the tailor used Curly’s get up as the model.

    Qaddafi to Tailor: I want you to personally design me a uniform that will inspire people’s confidence in my abilities as a great leader. I’ll pay you well.

    Tailor: Coming right up!

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
  98. Malla says:
    @S

    Status (“Yucchus” from Yiddish I guess) is very important in third world countries. All those medals plays a big part in getting respect from the masses. That is how the mindsets and cultures are. The West and Japan are quite the opposite, beauty in minimal simplicity and high taste.
    Lee Kuan Yew of Singapore had written something he had observed in Commonwealth meetings which were the meetings of nations of the earlier British Empire and included White countries like Australia and many African countries.
    More backward the country, more ostentatiously dressed were its leaders.
    African leaders with their dashikis and leopard print car seats and leaders of White countries, dressed smart in normal suits.
    And check this out
    Back in Africa


    The Congo Dandies: living in poverty and spending a fortune to look like a million dollars

    I do not mind them dressing smart and all but when they are so poor, they should be saving money rather than spend on such suits and accessories.

    • Replies: @S
  99. S says:
    @Malla

    The West and Japan are quite the opposite, beauty in minimal simplicity and high taste.

    Yes, that’s a good succinct description of the ideal.

    • Replies: @Malla
  100. Malla says:
    @S

    Thanks, I would make it even more precise, North Western Europe / WASP West + Japan.
    Like say, Scandinavian minimalism.

  101. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    As someone of German descent, I have observed that about 60% of the world’s most beautiful women are British-American, and about 15% are British.

  102. @Peter Akuleyev

    Apologies, Mr Akuleyev.

    Regarding that, I blame the defective culture from their exposure to white culture. As my username shows, I am not ‘Black’ in the ethnic sense. In Nigeria, such deviance is rightly censured.

    • Replies: @Michelle
  103. Michelle says:
    @duncsbaby

    That sounds like Rod Stewart!

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
  104. Michelle says:
    @Nigerian Nationalist

    Did you watch the body cam video recorded by the African immigrant police officer in the Ma’Khia Bryant shooting? An Italian commenter on the shooting, on one YouTube channel, stated that young people in Italy are not engaging in such violent behavior as Americans are and that we should stop blaming the police and raise our children better.

  105. duncsbaby says:
    @Michelle

    Yep, Rod the Mod sang for the Jeff Beck Group before he hooked up w/the Faces and got his solo career going full blast. Rod’s probably the most soulful voice in rock and roll history. I don’t mean black-sounding, I mean his voice conveys deep emotion very well indeed. Rod Stewart’s first 3 solo albums are almost perfect.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  106. @duncsbaby

    I can come up with arguments in favor of a lot of other songs, but the idea that Maggie Mae is the best single track in rock history keeps coming up as the default that all the arguments must be made against.

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
  107. duncsbaby says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Maggie May is one of those songs that whenever it comes on the radio I have to turn it up. Never tire of hearing it. My personal all time favorite vocal performances by Rod Stewart are “Handbags and Gladrags,” off his debut album and “Reason To Believe,” off of Every Picture Tells a Story. Both songs damn near make me cry every time I hear them. Both are cover songs. I would put every song off his first 3 albums high on the pole of great rock’n’roll songs.

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