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From the BBC:

Nobel Prize: We will not have gender or ethnicity quotas – top scientist

Published 11 hours ago

The head of the academy that awards the Nobel Prizes in science has said it will not introduce gender quotas.

Goran Hansson, head of the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences, said they want people to win “because they made the most important discovery”.

Since its inception in 1901, 59 Nobel Prizes have gone to women.

Maria Ressa was the only woman honoured this year. Marie Curie was the first woman to get the prize – and remains the only woman to get it twice.

… “We have decided we will not have quotas for gender or ethnicity,” he said, adding that the decision was “in line with the spirit of Alfred Nobel’s last will”.

“In the end, we will give the prize to those who are found the most worthy, those who have made the most important contributions,” he said.

Marie Curie was the first woman to win the Nobel Prize, winning the Physics award in 1903. She was also the first person, and remains the only woman, to have won multiple Nobel Prizes, after winning the Nobel Prize in Chemistry in 1911.

Dr. Hansson summed up:

After all, we’re the Nobel Prize.

And you’re not.

 
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  1. The BBC chose today to run the following:

    Black scientists say UK research is institutionally racist

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-58795079

    They made the mistake of allowing comments, something they usually allow on safer topics. First, the comment section was closed. Now it appears to have been removed.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    , @Rob
  2. It’s not so straight forward though– read the stories of Vera Rubin (Dark matter), Chien-shing Wu (Standard Model, Jocelyn Bell (Pulsars), Lise Meitner(Nuclear fission)), Rosalind Franklin (DNA) etc etc… clear Nobel Prizes that were denied to these women

    In many case prizes are awarded to group leaders and not necessarily the people who did the work .

    For the number of female scientists in the world, there’s a suspiciously small number of Nobel Prize winners

    Would be nice to see clearer explanations for why their selection process appears broken

  3. Good in him for standing up, and calling a spade a spade. After he retires, his successor will announce quotas.

    He may also find that the pressure will get to be too much for him to resist.

    • Agree: Charon, Harry Baldwin
  4. Yay!

    And he’s in Sweden, no less.

    I’m going to IKEA this weekend to celebrate.

    He really showed those Dombåsses.

    (Seriously, this is a good sign.)

    • LOL: Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @International Jew
  5. kihowi says:

    I think what he means is that, they’ll keep awarding the prize to members of professional victim races if they do 70-80% what whites or asians would need to do to get them, BUT NOT MORE. There’s such a thing as principles.

    • Agree: Pop Warner
  6. Barack Obama was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for being a negro. Then set the world record for ordering Muslims to get bug splatted by drones. Look at the bar graph of him versus Bush and Trump. It’s like 30-1.

    • Agree: J1234
    • Replies: @Old Prude
    , @J1234
    , @Bill Jones
  7. Maybe they got the courage of Southwest pilots and air traffic controllers who rebelled against the Covid nonsense Steve, Greg Cochran and every other HBD pundit pushed.

    By the way, has anyone tried to get replacement parts for their car? It can take weeks due to supply chain breakdown. But hey, 80 year old folk singers who hate America needed to be protected!

  8. Wilkey says:
    @Ebony Obelisk

    Rosalind Franklin died four years before the Nobel was awarded for their work, probably as a result of having discarded the use of safety equipment while doing her research. Nobel Prizes are never awarded posthumously.

    Meitner probably was shafted.

    It’s just a prize, not the ultimate arbiter of who made serious contributions to science and who did not. Plenty of important scientists have never won.

    It’s alright, though. The new generation of people coming through college has been thoroughly brainwashed and politicized. Once they take over they will thoroughly and completely bastardize the Nobels. Hopefully that guy who invented the SuperSoaker will still be alive to receive his reward. And Kizzmekia Corbett can get her Nobel for washing out the lab equipment better than any lab assistant her ever washed lab equipment ever.

  9. Who had Sweden on their bingo card as Basedtopia?

    Only way out is through.

  10. @Ebony Obelisk

    I’m sorry, but that’s not clear in the case of Rosalind Franklin. Actually, it is clear that she shouldn’t, even if she had lived long enough to make it possible.

    Furthermore, as I’m sure you know, the list of men who could (or should) have received a Nobel Prize but didn’t is much, much, much longer.

    I do have a soft spot for Lise Meitner — but if we include her, then what about Otto Frisch and Fritz Strassmann?

  11. BB753 says:

    Wait till this guy is metooed or otherwise shamed and he has to recant on his opposition to quotas. I can’t think of any institution anywhere in the West without quotas.

  12. Jack D says:
    @Ebony Obelisk

    Who says it’s broken?

    Franklin died young and Nobels are not awarded posthumously. Had she lived she might have been named.

    • Replies: @BB753
    , @PiltdownMan
  13. I hope the Nobel people hang tough, but there will be an attempt to cancel Goran Hansson, and a general propaganda campaign to discredit the Nobel Prize.

    Maybe even some Western previous Peace Prize winners will chime in.

  14. BB753 says:
    @Jack D

    Yeah, but she was screwed twice over by ueber-chads Crick and Watson. First, they stole the helix idea from her then they raped her over broken glass in the fraternity lounge… Wait, that’s a different fairy tale!

  15. @Buzz Mohawk

    Be sure to leave a note in their suggestion box, clarifying why you feel good about Sweden.

    I bought one of those closets a year ago. 240 cm tall.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  16. dearieme says:
    @Ebony Obelisk

    … Rosalind Franklin (DNA) etc etc… clear Nobel Prizes that were denied to these women

    In many case prizes are awarded to group leaders and not necessarily the people who did the work.

    You can’t have it both ways. If you give Rosie Franklin a share of the Nobel Prize (had she survived long enough for that to be a possibility) then you’d have been giving her a prize for a photograph taken by her research student Raymond Gosling.

  17. Ms Goldberg walks in:

    Nice prize you got there, Mr Hanson. Shame of my MSM pals we t in there to ‘take care’ of it!!!

  18. Michael Mann claimes to have won the Prize, but didn’t. Nevertheless, he has no problem fueling up the jet to go fetch his next honorarium.
    The first white guy who turns it down while denouncing the process is a made man. After that, those who accept can be depersoned in any of the usual ways.

    Or not. Hats off to Dr. Hansson for planting his flag. Maybe, God willing, the insanity will stop here.

  19. Anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:

    Alpha “Nobel Prize In Kickboxing” comment by the Swede-chad– but a simple, blond-Nordic “No” meme in reply would’ve sufficed

  20. EdwardM says:

    This sounds like a straw man (the same straw man that every university and corporation used to employ in saying they don’t have “quotas”).

    They will practice every form of preference for women and blacks, lower standards, and make the prizes a joke, but it won’t be literally a “quota.”

    Wake me up when they make a stronger statement like, we will be totally blind to identity factors as these are irrelevant when considering scientific achievement.

  21. epebble says:
    @Ebony Obelisk

    Another interesting omission: Higgs got the prize for theoretical work predicting Higgs Boson but Bose did not get a prize for inventing Bose-Einstein statistics (that predicted Bosons)!

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  22. Anonymous[234] • Disclaimer says:

    Don’t hold your breath. They will. Of course they will. It will just take a little longer, until the new generation, steeped in wokeness and compromised by affirmative action, assumes the power.

  23. @Ebony Obelisk

    There are many male scientists who haven’t won despite serious contributions. They’re not as famous as the Franklins of the world because nobody is dying to write articles and books on them.

    The Nobel gender skew you see is exactly the skew you used to see in elite academia and other prizes. People just don’t realize what a gulf exists between the mediocre and the great scientist.

    Once group leaders start to win awards (per your unsubstantiated claim), as opposed to the people that do the work, the representation of women will increase over time. After all, so many women scientists are drawn to positions of power as opposed to the pursuit of truth/discovery. It’s the last refuge of the charlatan that couldn’t make it.

  24. @Wilkey

    You properly cover the example of Rosalind Franklin, although as I’ve recently noted Wikipedia saying, she’s an example of Ebony Obelisk’s complaint about “In many case prizes are awarded to group leaders and not necessarily the people who did the work.” She didn’t take the infamous Photo 51, an evil white male named Raymond Gosling working under her and Maurice Wilkins’s supervision did it. Which puts a rather different interpretation on Wilkins sharing the photo with Watson and Crick. And as I’ve previously discussed, she by definition had all the data but couldn’t come up with the right structure. Something I think was common for chemists, biological intuition was a critical part of cracking the problem.

    Meitner probably was shafted.

    Indeed, although she couldn’t have shared Otto Hahn’s Chemistry Nobel for his amazing feat of radiochemisty. One issue here is that for a Physics prize they’d have had to include her nephew Otto Frisch with which she did that first block of work using Hahn’s data. She’d waited too long to escape Germany and got a poor position in a Swedish institution, didn’t continue the work like Frisch did, who for example gave us the name “fission.”

    Most notably, and I don’t know if the Nobel committee knew this, Fritch was one of two physicists who had the unique insight into exactly how to make a small and lightweight nuclear device work following a suggestion by Bohr to try pure U-235: use fast neutrons, even though they aren’t captured as readily as slow, “thermal” ones are, there’s still enough in an uncontrolled chain reaction. Giving people the Nobel as in the guilty conscience dynamite guy prize for physics that directly led to city shattering explosive devices … surely one can see how the committee would think twice about that. But, yes, they sure seem to have done Nobel level work.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Jack D
    , @AnotherDad
  25. @Wilkey

    The new generation of people coming through college has been thoroughly brainwashed and politicized.

    That shouldn’t matter too much, as long as it isn’t the new generation of Swedish scientists coming through college, and as long as the science Nobels are selected by the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences and the Karolinska Institute’s Nobel committee.

    • Replies: @Charon
  26. res says:
    @Ebony Obelisk

    I wonder how that list compares to the list of men who have been shafted by the Nobel Prize awards.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Realist
  27. @Jack D

    Most of the people who have been trained to stay outraged at Rosalind Franklin having been “cheated” out of the Nobel in 1962—four years after she died and had become ineligible—have never heard of Dorothy Hodgkin.

    Hodgkin, of course, won the Nobel Prize a mere two years later, in 1964, for very similar work in elucidating the structure of insulin, penicillin and other biomolecules.

    • Thanks: Charon, Escher
  28. Anonymous[234] • Disclaimer says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    Something I think was common for chemists, biological intuition was a critical part of cracking the problem.

    Nothing to do with intuition. Self-taught crystallographer Crick understood what C2 symmetry implies (antiparallel dimer in the asymmetric unit cell) and Franklin didn’t. She also was not aware of Chargaff’s rule whereas curious Watson was. And she was an inflexible perfectionist who disregarded helical structure based on it not perfectly fitting the data:

    Regardless, she would have been awarded instead of Wilkins had she lived.

  29. AndrewR says:
    @Henry's Cat

    Maybe they’d feel more comfortable in the Congo

  30. I wish the eggheads would admit that affirmative action and quotas are wrong and destructive at all levels.

  31. Jack D says:
    @res

    Yes, exactly. There’s no doubt a very long list of scientists who have been shafted – underlings who did the real work but the head of the lab gets the credit and so on. But there’s no evidence that the women that Obelisk mentions would not have been equally shafted if they were men.

    In addition, Leftists love to bring up examples from the ancient past. Most of Obelisk’s examples were from 60 or more years ago. If there was ever discrimination against women and minorities in the sciences, it certainly isn’t going on now. If anything, there is discrimination IN FAVOR OF these groups – all sorts of thumbs on the scale. And yet, they STILL aren’t doing the very best work so they want the Committee to take race and gender into account and give out the prizes “equitably” instead of basing them on who is making the most important contributions REGARDLESS of race or gender.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  32. Charon says:
    @PiltdownMan

    Agreed. It’ll be weeks or maybe even months before they’re forced to cave. Next time an African is shot by a cop, probably.

  33. Jack D says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    I don’t know if the Nobel committee knew this

    It’s hardly a secret that Frisch co-wrote the Frisch–Peierls memorandum.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  34. Old Prude says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Obama got the Peace Prize for not being W.

    • Replies: @Joe Magarac
  35. @Ebony Obelisk

    No one should get a Noble for Dark Matter…

    Roger Penrose should not have received a Noble for deep ideas in Mathematical Physics. Giving the Noble to Penrose was a way of giving the Noble coronation to Ed Witten -a great mathematical physicist but Math Physics is not PHYSICS-next year….

    I suspect the evidence for gravitational waves is very weak. There goes Kip Thorne’s Noble…

    Ever watch the science shows on Black Holes? Years of jibberish about Black Holes overeating and burping and farting…..

    But after all these years…WOW! is still interesting…

  36. @Ebony Obelisk

    It’s not a perfect system. Bose was probably shafted, as was Ralph Alpher. Penzias got it for applying Alpher’s theories.

    But it’s as good a system as we have, and I believe the Swedish guy. His country kept its head during the Covid crisis. They were shamed and bullied but they stuck to their guns and ended up in good shape.

    Somehow, I haven’t heard Bernie or the usual “I love Nordic Countries” crowd talking much about this.

    Most of the Swedes I’ve known have been way more conservative and hard-headed than the American stereotype of them.

  37. Goran Hansson

    It’s Göran. Pronounced “urine”.

    Don’t piss off the Swedes. They know their whiz kids.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @OilcanFloyd
  38. @Jack D

    I don’t know if the Nobel committee knew this

    It’s hardly a secret that Frisch co-wrote the Frisch–Peierls memorandum.

    It’s not a secret now, you can for example see the Wikipedia article on it. He died in 1979 so they had a long time to decide and reconsider including for his aunt who died in 1968, but both are of course not before the Cold War ended. Whereas Otto Hahn got his Chemistry prize in 1944, by then the significance of the data he’d provided to physicists was clear, and as I said it was a great feat of radiochemisty. A field where you can deduce results from as few as one thousand atoms.

  39. Rob says:

    Science has changed a lot since Nobel’s will created the prizes. The guy who came up with X-ray crystallography? He won like two years later, and before anything’s structure was determined. There is a lot of Nobel-quality work these days.

    There’s going to be a longer lag between the % of scientists that are x and % of prizewinners who are are x because researchers don’t win prizes. Managers win prizes. Which is maybe not a bad idea? Researchers want to do novel and important work, but incentives for managers usually run towards doing incremental research with predictable payoffs. Giving them an incentive to try new things is not a terrible idea.

    In addition to having to be fairly high up in management, it helps to have friends in the funding agencies so your new ideas get funding. Rider, the guy who invented DRACO antivirals, has had a terrible time getting funded in a time where the need for new antivirals is obvious.

    The way science works these days, there are usually more than 3 people who are particularly important in any discovery, but three’s the limit for a Nobel.

    That said, “we will never have quotas!” is the announcement someone makes a week or two before he (or his replacement) announces that they will ensure prizes are awarded “equitably” – but no one can ever say standards are lower for the diverse! The fact that he had to announce it means the pressure is on him.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  40. @Reg Cæsar

    Don’t piss off the current residents of the Beach Boys’ Hawthorne, either. If they were white, they’d tell us:

    California Man Allegedly Beaten to Death by Group After Driving Truck Towards Host of People on Sidewalk

    “I wish they all could be ‘California men!’”

    LASD investigating mysterious death of man in Hawthorne

    Is there a Nobel for Rough Justice? From the widow’s GoFundMe appeal:


    (Please tell us that doesn’t say “Fresh Cat”!)

    • Replies: @Dennis Dale
  41. Rob says:
    @Henry's Cat

    Probably a new editor left the comments open, thinking “BAME scientists will share their stories of discrimination.” Not realizing that what actually happens is that white cons and colorblind progs team up to say research should be a meritocracy.

    Live and learn.

    Wonder if i can find the comments on an archive site?

  42. MEH 0910 says:
    @Ebony Obelisk

    It’s not so straight forward though– read the stories of Vera Rubin (Dark matter), Chien-shing Wu (Standard Model, Jocelyn Bell (Pulsars), Lise Meitner(Nuclear fission)), Rosalind Franklin (DNA) etc etc… clear Nobel Prizes that were denied to these women

    In many case prizes are awarded to group leaders and not necessarily the people who did the work .

    Ebony Obelisk Tiny Duck is up to his old sock puppet plagiarizing tricks again.


    • Thanks: Jack D
  43. @Jack D

    Yes. Agree, and your comment makes one think of Rosalind Franklin, who left in her drawer the scan that might have shown her the structure of DNA. Instead, some now cancelable guys picked it up and figured out what it really meant.

    (I mean, seriously, do you think Rosalind would have just left that image and done nothing with it if she had realized the full implications of it? I don’t know. Maybe this comment is wrong, but that is what always comes to mind with that particular x-ray or scan or crystalline whatever. You guys know better than I do…)

    It’s the difference between looking up and seeing a fuzzy patch in Cassiopeia (which any of us can where there is good seeing) and figuring it out via massive astronomical work and further observation that it is an entirely separate galaxy.

    Imagine a Rosalind Franklin working at Mt. Wilson with Edwin Hubble. She works hard. She is very smart, and she takes many of the spectra and photographs through the 100-inch telescope. She (in this imaginary universe) takes one photograph that makes it clear that the Andromeda galaxy is “far far away,” and she leaves it in a drawer. Ed finds it and figures out what it means, and he comes up with the Hubble Constant and the whole idea that our universe is an expanding complex of separate galaxies much bigger than imagined.

    Now imagine that our prevailing intellectual culture today “cancels” Hubble. That’s the world we live in now.

  44. The head of the academy that awards the Nobel Prizes in science has said it will not introduce gender quotas.

    • Replies: @Dennis Dale
    , @J.Ross
  45. @Reg Cæsar

    It’s Göran. Pronounced “urine”.

    Goran is the Swedish version of Jurgen, and is pronounced like Jurgen without the g. At least that’s how my friend Goran explained it.

  46. Dennis Dale says: • Website
    @Reg Cæsar

    A man getting beat to death is no laughing matter. Neither is your comedy.

    • Replies: @2BR
    , @Reg Cæsar
  47. 2BR says:
    @Dennis Dale

    The story is horrifying and an illustration of civilizational decline. Could an incident like this take place in any other first world nation if it was not terrorism from an outside party?

    • Replies: @Dennis Dale
  48. Jack D says:
    @Rob

    researchers don’t win prizes. Managers win prizes.

    Jocelyn Bell is often listed among the women who were “cheated” of a Nobel.

    The paper announcing the discovery of pulsars had five authors. Bell’s thesis supervisor Antony Hewish was listed first, Bell second. Hewish got the Nobel along with another guy. Bell later said, “I believe it would demean Nobel Prizes if they were awarded to research students, except in very exceptional cases, and I do not believe this is one of them.”

    This is just how the hierarchy of science works. If you are a grad student, someday you will grow up to have your own lab and you will be able to take credit for the work that your students do, so it’s not unfair in the long run. In any case, the system is equally fair or unfair to male and female grad students – this has nada to do with discrimination against women.

    • Replies: @Rob
  49. @Ebony Obelisk

    You should be able to understand this, it is, after all a no-brainer. Male IQ’s have a larger standard deviation than those of women and that really matters at the tails. Hence higher rates of male criminality, at the top end , lower Nobelity.
    There’s a small 2-3 point difference in mean too, but it’s the SD that get’s ya.

  50. Skoal! A rare exhibition of “bollar” (“balls”) from a denizen of PC Sweden.

  51. @International Jew

    240 cm tall.

    Wow! That’s just about floor to ceiling in most places. I’d better seriously look into having some Dombåsses in my own home, besides myself.

    Thanks!

  52. anon[307] • Disclaimer says:

    typical lying swede with weird facial hair.

  53. anon[307] • Disclaimer says:

    dude has weird facial hair. like steve used to have before he kicked his “habit”.

    IGNORE!

  54. J1234 says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    That was less of a Peace Prize and more of a participation award.

  55. Dennis Dale says: • Website
    @Reg Cæsar

    Please, if you have any humanity…

  56. OT: I thought Steve might be interested in this report which claims the response to COVID is retarding development for children (in Rhode Island at least):

    Children born during pandemic have lower IQs, US study finds: Researchers blame lack of stimulation as parents balanced childcare with working from home

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/12/children-born-during-pandemic-have-lower-iqs-us-study-finds

    I have no idea how serious this is but the developmental delay doesn’t sound healthy.

  57. When animals attack.

  58. @Dennis Dale

    A man getting beat to death is no laughing matter.

    Beaten to death by the crowd through which he just drove his little deuce coupe. Poetic justice permits poetic license. I’ll reserve any pity for the four niños he left behind until exonerating evidence comes to light.

    Oh, and…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawthorne,_California#2010

    • Replies: @Dennis Dale
  59. @That Would Be Telling

    Indeed, although she couldn’t have shared Otto Hahn’s Chemistry Nobel for his amazing feat of radiochemisty. One issue here is that for a Physics prize they’d have had to include her nephew Otto Frisch with which she did that first block of work using Hahn’s data. She’d waited too long to escape Germany and got a poor position in a Swedish institution, didn’t continue the work like Frisch did, who for example gave us the name “fission.”

    Good quick explanation of the situation as i understand it.

    “I wasn’t there” is my frontline take on these controversies. My take: Lisa Meitner was a worthy candidate. Hahn absolutely deserved the prize–in Chemistry. But Meitner was caught both between the Chemistry/Physics angle of the discovery and apparently having a crappy relationship with Siegbahn–where she’d landed in Sweden. Personal relations and professional turfs and rivalries color these things as in every other area of endeavor.

    As Wilkey said:

    It’s just a prize, not the ultimate arbiter of who made serious contributions to science and who did not. Plenty of important scientists have never won.

    Meitner’s true tragedy … she didn’t wiggle it a little more in the laboratory, and have a love child with Hahn in 1910 or so, when they were still young and spry. That kid could have had some talent. Who knows, maybe she did and it just didn’t take? I wasn’t there.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  60. Muggles says:
    @Ebony Obelisk

    For the number of female scientists in the world, there’s a suspiciously small number of Nobel Prize winners

    This kind of argument cries out for statistical verification.

    “Suspicious” is not what we would call the lack of black swans outside of Australia as a reason to question the data.

    If accurate and complete data were crunched since the Nobels were awarded, you might even find that that there is a “suspiciously” large number of female Nobel winners given their actual numbers in science.

    I suspect if actual data were crunched proving a strange lack of female winners, the NYT, et.al. would be broadcasting that on a daily basis.

    Women can win prizes for achievements. Quota Queens should not.

  61. @Old Prude

    Obama got the Peace Prize for not being W.

    Same reason Al Gore got it.

  62. Dennis Dale says: • Website
    @Reg Cæsar

    Irrelevant. It’s a non-sequitur. Lurching from the Nobel Prize to “Mexicans suck” is the sort of thinking that comes out of a bong.

    I grew up near Hawthorne. Please don’t presume to tell me about home.

    • Replies: @Rob
    , @iDeplorable
    , @Reg Cæsar
  63. @War for Blair Mountain

    I think the evidence for gravitational waves is actually pretty strong. The data is certainly falsifiable, and I bet if a physicist could prove it, he/she/xer would take a serious run at it.

    One thing you can say about physicists, they LOVE an intellectual food fight. It’s one reason, among many others, that it is the greatest of all the sciences. I hope the woke agenda doesn’t kill that particular aspect of the profession, but I fear it will.

    As for Kip Thorne, he is obviously a gentleman as well as a scholar. When he got the call, not unexpected, the first thing he said was that he thought it was unfair for him to get the prize when hundreds of people were involved mostly on the experimental side of the gravitational waves project.

    Solo projects in physics are a thing of the past. But the Nobel committee loves them some theoretical folks.

  64. Dennis Dale says: • Website
    @2BR

    My first answer was “yes, all it takes is for the state to selectively apply the law”, but of course some powerful entity is behind that and the other aspects of our “decline”–which is deliberate and managed.
    So, no. War is being waged on us by the powerful, dominated by an ethnic group with a beef against us and uncommon talent and energy.

    And our best are throwing us under the bus, because they like their smart Jewish friends more than us, their embarrassing poor relations.

  65. gc says:

    Holmström is a good economics nobelist. But he did kind of a disservice to finnish people. After his nobel prize he was allowed to work the finnish economy so that it had surplus, but when the elections came the social democrats said that now we have extra money to spend and promised that the lowest pensions are raised 100 euros per month. The social democrats did win the elections. Promises didn’t hold of course at all. They didn’t raise at all. Otherwise the spending is huge, but even the liberal right does not really care anymore, because the populists can always say that if there is no money how can we spend astronomical to humanitarian immigration related things. This shuts their mouths.
    It’s psychologically difficult to keep the welfare state and restrict the immigration, because you know that is socialism+nationalism. For many western nations it’s psychologically difficult to do anything same that the nazis did. You wan’t war? Of course it should not be anything like blitzkrieg. So it’s nation building at the same time. You wan’t to tax cigarettes and you are a conservative? Remember what nazis did. You are a conservative vegan and and a nature preserver. A literal Hitler. I say we are traumatized. It has come clear. And there is no nazism without Hitler. We cannot accept yet what he did to the whole world. In essence just one man.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  66. Anon7 says:

    At present, there are twice as many women as men in American universities. It’s also true that for every woman with an IQ of 130, there are two men. Figure that one out.

    Anyway, within a generation or two, simple demographics at universities will suffice to ensure that women will decide what science is and who is practicing it best.

    I just don’t see any sort of “pendulum” that swings back to our side. I see a trans wokel wearing academic regalia stamping on our faces forever, telling us we’re flunking their version of math and science.

    • Replies: @Anon
  67. Rob says:
    @Dennis Dale

    The sort of thinking that comes out of a bong is “Mexican weed sucks.” It sure does…

    • Replies: @Dennis Dale
  68. J.Ross says:

    Who wrote the U Mass racist email?

    (A) Black affirmative action scumbag whose highest aspiration is to paint a swastika correctly. Evidence: wierd punctuation, sellping, conFUSed CapitalizatioN.

    (B) Entitled Chinese rich brat who is actually totally sincere in telling blacks off like … pretty much just like a tiger mom. “Evidence:” “this is how they talk.”

    (C) The Men Who Will Not Be Blamed. Evidence: how they are. Evidence against: see (A).

    (D) The Evil Vladimir Putin and his Fancy Bear. Evidence: in asking for evidence you are admitting that you are a Russian.

  69. Dennis Dale says: • Website
    @Rob

    At ten bucks a lid waddaya expect? I’m old enough to remember when that’s what an ounce cost. If you were a high-flyer you could spend 30 for “Acapulco Gold” or “Columbian”.

    • Replies: @Rob
  70. J.Ross says:
    @AnotherDad

    You raise a good point though. Instead of giving a huge fake penny and a pile of money to proven-maximally-smart people who usually already have money (and, we can only infer, oversized fake pennies), we should arrest them, tie them to a bed, and inform them that society has decided they will procreate.
    Not a scientist but I’m guessing a lot of Nobel winners will be okay with this. Genuinely interested to see how many think to ask about child support.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
  71. J.Ross says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    The most effective kings actually did this: temporarily withdrawing, letting the people see tyrantless government (ie, where we are now, unbridled one-sided war by the elite upon the people), and waited to be begged to return. Stalin stumbled into this trick in 1941. He logically reasoned that the German invasion guaranteed his lynching. He failed to account for the profound illogic of the Russian people.
    (Quick check that I did not just flub the year: first result is eBay enthusiastically insisting that they “have” Operation Barbarossa. In fairness, Ukraine has historically always belonged to eBay.)

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  72. This guy is asking for it. He might as well say that black lives don’t matter.

  73. Rob says:
    @Jack D

    It’s more unfair to women. Because of the leaky pipeline, a larger percentage of graduate students are female than professors. Historically, people tend to be reluctant to work under women. They (correctly) perceive that sexism against the female PIs will hurt themselves, regardless of sex.

    Whether students should share prizes depends on the nature of the work and theory. Was it the student’s idea? Did the student design the experiments? Did the student come up with a theory that was proven true? If the answers to those questions are yes, then the student should share in the prize. If all the student did was provide the hands that used the pipettes, then the student should not share in the prize.

    If someone plans to keep going in science, then having worked in a Nobel-winning lab can only help. That’s a good argument for giving prizes shortly after the work was done, and not as a lifetime achievement award. The fact that sometimes the importance of work cannot be gauged until decades later? That’s a good argument for delaying prizes.

    The woman who discovered CRISPR? That has already revolutionized bench science, so even if it’s never used for gene therapy or embryo engineering – but it will be – it deserved the prize. Did other researchers discover it first, but were delayed in publication? Maybe, but knowing to which journal you should submit your paper is a valuable skill. Precise, high-yield dsDNA cleavage directed by RNA? That was a Nature or Science-tier result. Both journals are maybe a bit fast to publish, but they do get the word out fast.

  74. “Quotas!” is supposed to send “conservatives” into some sort of spasm. (They are officially evil in the US because Jews don’t like them.)

    But i think quotas are preferably–largely by being more honest, but also in being fairer–than all the other garbage–“affirmative action”, “disparate impact” and especially the anti-white racialism–that minoritarians have used instead.

    Example: say politics in Chicago requires the police force to sort of “look like Chicago” to keep things from boiling over. What’s better: Explicit quotas, and hiring in line with the city’s rough demographics–1/3 white, 1/3 hispanic, 1/3 black and dash of Asian/other–and getting the best people you can in each category? Or “disparately impact”ing your testing/standards down into a pathetic mush that basically boils down to throwing dice … while continually lying?

    I fine the former refreshingly honest. Everyone would know the score. And why things are the way they are. (And if guys wanted to get into it, guys could throw down on their actual test scores comprehensive, physical fitness, later marksmanship, etc. etc.–as individuals.) Quotas actually strip away–or at least work against–all the minoritarian lying about evil white gentiles oppressing people. More HBDy–different groups, different abilities.

    Example: Harvard (HYPS/Ivies/elite colleges). Harvard clearly AAs in blacks to 10% or so. And a decent tranche of Hispanics. But then the competitive bucket left is highly skewed toward Asians–squeezed a bit–and especially Jews. Throw in legacies and such and flyover country white gentiles–the ethnic group that created, settled and built America–are probably the most underrepresented major group. Certainly the most underrepresented relative to available talent.

    Of course, better is “separationist” quotas. Go ahead and have “Black Grammys”, “Black Academy Awards”, “Black ‘Nobel’ Prizes”. (Blacks are all so noble it will be hard to pick just one!) Men’s and women’s science prizes don’t bother me for the same reason men’s and women’s track doesn’t bother me. The academy awards wisely had “Best Actor” and “Best Actress” prizes from the get go. Men and women are different and … wonderfully complementary. Separate prizes, and spare us from the wailing and gnashing of teeth. (Of course, now the for the “filth” brigade, men’s and women’s prizes would be too binary.)

    The best situation–one people nations. You live with people with whom you share lineage, language, religion, holidays, customs, norms, values–culture. You are a nation.

    But America is not that–and shouldn’t become that–given our “legacy of slavery”. And is becoming less of a nation every day. Unless we can separate, we’re talking about managing it politically. I’d rather have political allocation be naked, explicit and honest–where we can defend our slice!–rather than than the continual cavalcade of minoritarian calumny against my people.

    • Agree: Rob, Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @Rob
    , @Jack D
  75. epebble says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    Gravitational waves were first detected in 2006 using LIGO:

    https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2016.19361

    By now, so many events have been detected using GW that GW is (almost) as real as using X-Rays to detect broken bones and Radar to detect aircraft.

    Penrose getting a Nobel is like Heisenberg or de Broglie getting Nobel.

  76. Rob says:
    @Dennis Dale

    Lol. A “lid”? That’s so archaic i don’t have any idea how much it is. A gram? An eighth? Half-O? Not a clue!

    • Replies: @Dennis Dale
  77. Dennis Dale says: • Website
    @Rob

    If you haven’t the energy to read past the first sentence, maybe it is time to put down the bong. It’s an ounce.

    • Replies: @Dennis Dale
  78. anon[285] • Disclaimer says:

    He has pleaded [sic] not guilty and faces a possible death penalty if convicted.

    Authorities allege Bowers, 49, of Baldwin, Pennsylvania, perpetrated the deadliest attack on Jews in U.S. history. He also wounded seven, including five police officers, at the Tree of Life synagogue.

  79. @Dennis Dale

    Irrelevant. It’s a non-sequitur. Lurching from the Nobel Prize to “Mexicans suck” is the sort of thinking that comes out of a bong.

    Its the sort of thinking that comes from being a senile old woman.

    You must be new if you’re just noticing Rag and his fellow nursing home residence Achnad – they post incessantly, almost always off-topic, and always unfunny. I’d say just put him on your ignore list but even then, you’ll scroll past a few dozen grayed-out “Reg Caesar” posts.

    • Replies: @Dennis Dale
  80. Rob says:
    @AnotherDad

    I agree in theory. In practice, the white quota would be largely taken by Jews. The AAPI category gives us some help. While Chinese/Japanese/Koreans or well-represented at good schools, for some reason, the Samoans are not doing so hotly. Some people say there should be a separate quota (but not called that) for the under-represented sorts of AAPIs.

    The translation of that to the Scots-Irish is obvious.

    I am not so sure quotas for jews would be bad for the country. Squeezing jews out of heavily Jewish professions means they find other work. Chances are, they will be very good at this other work. Having people who are good at their jobs is where innovation comes from.

    Even if they don’t get regular jobs, more would be looking to start companies. New industries are where the money is. More innovation – fewer mobile games.

    Even just putting quotas on the table as a serious thing cons would consider – regardless of who the quotas are for – would make jews slow their roll on diversity.

    Breaking up heavily Jewish cartelized professions would moderate jews – they’d know some people who weren’t Jewish, and knowing people with different politics moderates one’s views – at least that’s what they want to do to cons – not sure if they realize libs would know different people, too.
    I’d rather have firemen be really smart whites, mediocre Hispanics, and dumb blacks than a random selection of people who took the test. If anything, once it becomes known that anybody can get a fireman job, really scuzzy people are going to play the fireman lottery.

  81. Realist says:
    @res

    I wonder how that list compares to the list of men who have been shafted by the Nobel Prize awards.

    I wonder how that list compares to the list of men who have been shafted by a divorce lawyer.

    • LOL: Bardon Kaldian
  82. Dennis Dale says: • Website
    @Dennis Dale

    this comment is an attempt to fix my website link, please excuse

    • Replies: @Dennis Dale
  83. @Emil Nikola Richard

    Barack Obama was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for being a negro. Then set the world record for ordering Muslims to get bug splatted by drones. Look at the bar graph of him versus Bush and Trump. It’s like 30-1

    Perhaps the Nobelist’s were of the opinion that wiping out Moslem’s was the way to promote Peace and recognized Barry’s potential?

  84. @Dennis Dale

    I grew up near Hawthorne. Please don’t presume to tell me about home.

    Relax. Few of us here would pretend to understand a city only 10% “non-Hispanic white”. Too alien to grasp.

    I’m sorry if it was your classmates who did the beating. At least that’s what the news accounts imply. How’s the food at the Rock It Sports Lounge?

    • Replies: @Dennis Dale
  85. For now. Give it 10-20 years if not less. They will not publicly announce quotas of any kind, they will simply enact them and it will be obvious. Or what will happen is that white/asian research teams will include a ‘diverse’ person who doesn’t actually do much for purposes of Nobel prize qualification, like what the Oscars have already instituted, where a certain % of people have to be People of Pigment, Women, etc. in order to qualify for submission. It all ends up being a grift for jobs and money.

  86. @Ebony Obelisk

    Uh-oh. Whenever they say something’s ‘broken,’ it means they’re getting out the sledge hammer.

  87. @epebble

    I don’t know about it & I accept is from most authorities. But the doubt remains …. this may turn out to be another (unintentional) Piltdown Man. Or not ….

  88. SafeNow says:

    In the tv movie “Chernobyl,” the screenwriter created a “composite character” in the person of the scientist portrayed by Emily Watson. She represented the many scientists who had done the actual work. Maybe the Nobel winner who had the creative spark should be required to share the prize with a composite character.

  89. @Ebony Obelisk

    Perhaps.

    But there are too many men who didn’t get the Nobel either- Hubble, Pascual Jordan, David Bohm, Victor Weisskopf, George Gamow, Alain Aspect, Sidney Coleman, John Wheeler, Yakov Zeldovich, John Stewart Bell, ..

    For instance, Bohm did more hard-core physics than Penrose, and yet- nothing. Probably because he went too far into philosophy so that Swedes were, always middle-of-the-road, embarrassed ….

    The Nobels don’t add any additional “weight” to eminent scientists’ stature.

  90. @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    That gravity wave detector sandbox has cost > \$1B over its lifetime. Where are the taxpayers’ Nobels?

    Any experiment that costs more than Cavendish’s, in inflation-adjusted Pounds-Sterling, should be disqualified from special recognition.

  91. @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    I like Kip Thorne. But among serious researchers in the physics community…questions have been raised about gravitational wave detection data and…dark matter data detection. Physicist Sabine Hossenfelder has discussed this in her wonderful YouTube videos…..

    To the extent that the gravitational wave data holds…Kip Thorne is most deserving of a Noble…

    But why are the Penrose-Hawking singularity theorems and positive mass theorems deserving of a Noble Prize? It’s very interesting mathematics…but it’s mathematical physics. Why should Mathematical Physics get a Noble Prize?

    As far as supersymmetric string theory goes….it would very uninteresting to have to wait 3 centuries….perhaps a thousand years to figure out the true vacuum state(the correct Calibi-Yau manifold compactification)

    Quantum Entanglement is the real deal…regardless of whether or not a useful quantum computer is ever built. The discovery of Majorana quasi-particles…one day perhaps…But this is far more interesting than watching Neil DeGrasse Tyson year after year talking on the science channel about Black Holes overeating and farting and burping or crazy Michio Kaku yapping about higher dimensional dimensionals pseudo-science….Yes, I have been Horganized(how many of you get this joke?)

  92. unwoke says:

    “After all, we’re the Nobel Prize.
    And you’re not.”

    Is there a Nobel Prize for Nobel Prize jurists? (just this once!)

  93. @Rob

    Wrong.

    There are more ethnic Jews- whichever their subjective identity- who didn’t get the Nobel, and really deserved it. The idea that some Jewish mafia in physics in pulling the strings is simply absurd. These things don’t work that way.

    This is even more visible in other fields, especially literature, where authors of Jewish heritage-I don’t care about their identity- got shafted. Especially German & Austrian Jewish authors.

  94. @epebble

    epebble

    I hope you are right…but I remain highly skeptical…

    However, the physicists who have issues about gravitational wave data are not cranks….The critique has been published in well known physics journals.

    Roger Penrose is a brilliant man….however, the singularity theorems and positive mass conjecture are mathematical theorems…why are they deserving of a Noble in physics?

    • Replies: @epebble
  95. Anon[726] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon7

    Yes but 40% of female doctors have either quit or gone part time within 6 years of their residencies, a very interesting fact. Nature will win, no matter what.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  96. Dennis Dale says: • Website
    @Reg Cæsar

    “few of us would pretend to understand”–no, that’s all you do. Pretend to understand. Was it you who once told me something like “I won’t listen to someone who lives in Mogadishu [Portland]” when I corrected some typically glib bullshit about the city here. Consider the stupidity of that and how it exemplifies our attitude (and I’m often guilty of it too).

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  97. Dennis Dale says: • Website
    @iDeplorable

    Sadly I’m an old hand. I actually like these guys. Though Reg is going to hell for being as unfunny as he is prolific. I don’t know how you miss that badly, and consistently. And when you see he’s putting work into his crap–my heart genuinely sinks at such a pathetic sight. So what looks like aggression toward him is sympathy. He’s like one of those kids who cuts themselves, and I’m shouting at him to stop.

  98. Jack D says:
    @AnotherDad

    Jews don’t like demographic quotas and for very good reason – quotas based on raw numbers don’t account for IQ and so if you apply quotas to elite institutions you get nonsensical results. If you limited Jewish enrollment at research universities to 2% the result would be a tremendous waste of talent. They tried this in the late Soviet Union and filling their universities according to ethnic quotas only contributed to their decline. Not only was it unfair to Jews, it was unfair to the society.

    http://www.3038.org/press/vershik.pdf

    Vershik’s essay, written in 1994, begins:

    For a number of years now, the universities of the former Soviet Union have been free of party committees

    Oh, how I wish that our party committees could be seen only in the rear view mirror.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  99. @epebble

    Another interesting omission: Higgs got the prize for theoretical work predicting Higgs Boson but Bose did not get a prize for inventing Bose-Einstein statistics (that predicted Bosons)!

    Higgs got the prize 39 years after Bose died. Can you make a case for Bose getting the prize by 1979? The work he did started in 1924, on the other hand “Bose and Einstein extended the idea to atoms and this led to the prediction of the existence of phenomena which became known as Bose–Einstein condensate, a dense collection of bosons (which are particles with integer spin, named after Bose), which was demonstrated to exist by experiment in 1995.” Any experiments before 1979??

    But the way Einstein jumped on it, translated a paper rejected by a British journal into German and got it and one of his own papers on the subject published in an issue of a German journal (mirroring in a way Bose translating with Einstein’s approval the latter’s works on relativity) and then per Wikipedia realized it was an even bigger thing than he’d first realized….

  100. Wilkey says:
    @J.Ross

    Smart men grow up to do great things.

    Smart women grow up to bear sons who do great things.

    The reality is that, for whatever reason, that’s how the world works. The world is a far poorer place when these women don’t have children.

  101. @Anon

    The lady general surgeon who has done a couple of minor dermatological procedures on me was pregnant with her second child the last time I saw her.

    Good for her.

  102. @Rob

    I am not so sure quotas for jews would be bad for the country. Squeezing jews out of heavily Jewish professions means they find other work. Chances are, they will be very good at this other work. Having people who are good at their jobs is where innovation comes from.

    Just remember when your Puerto Rican cardiologist disappoints you; it was your idea.

    • LOL: Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    , @AnotherDad
    , @JMcG
    , @Rob
  103. @Steve Sailer

    Except for the minor detail that she is already comfortable with having strangers raise her children if I understand your point correctly. If she drops out of the medical profession like the 40% cited who do so with six years of her residency, she’ll have mostly wasted a very scarce slot for doctor candidates at a time our demographics require more and more doctors for the Baby Boomers.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anon7
  104. Anon[726] • Disclaimer says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    Here is an article about the study, sympathetic to the women, but your point shines through anyway.
    https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/why-women-leave-medicine

    • Thanks: That Would Be Telling
  105. @Dennis Dale

    Was it you who once told me something like “I won’t listen to someone who lives in Mogadishu [Portland]”

    All I know (or care) about Portland is from Beezus and Ramona and friends. (And following last summer’s festivities.)

    An Oregon kid I worked with in Alaska 30 years ago tried to impress me with how dangerous the city was, another Detroit or Baltimore. Portland was probably the biggest city he had ever been to, unless he perhaps had taken the Blue Canoe from Seattle.

    Was he right? Is it St Louis-on-the-Sea?

    • Replies: @Dennis Dale
    , @Muggles
  106. @Jack D

    Jews don’t like demographic quotas and for very good reason – quotas based on raw numbers don’t account for IQ

    More straightforwardly: Jews–unsurprisingly–don’t like quotas that limit Jewish numbers.

    Jews have been generally been cheerleaders for affirmative action schemes and don’t seem to have any big problem with the Ivies’ Asian quotas. (It helps keep Jewish numbers up.)

    If you limited Jewish enrollment at research universities to 2% the result would be a tremendous waste of talent.

    Of course, Jews could always start their own universities–like the Catholics did in the US.

    But basically … no argument. Quotas are always going to be sub-optimal. But “that’s politics.” That’s the kind of thing you get with “diversity”. Insert you favorite Lee Kuan Yew quote.

    People generally don’t like being bossed around by or looted by other people. (See “Declaration of Independence”.) When you toss in “diversity” it’s amped up another level. It’s approximately zero surprise that people are hostile to minority elites or that people want make sure “they get their share”.

    Jews complaining about quotas on Jews? What did you expect? If you don’t like it then don’t be different–integrate–or leave.

    A large part of our politics is Jews yelling and shouting that it is outrageous–a crime against humanity!– for white gentiles to be the least bit ethnocentric. Talk about chutzpah.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  107. MEH 0910 says:
    @kaganovitch

    Just remember when your Puerto Rican cardiologist disappoints you; it was your idea.

    Dr. Nick Attempts to Do Surgery

  108. @kaganovitch

    I am not so sure quotas for jews would be bad for the country. Squeezing jews out of heavily Jewish professions means they find other work. Chances are, they will be very good at this other work. Having people who are good at their jobs is where innovation comes from.

    Just remember when your Puerto Rican cardiologist disappoints you; it was your idea.

    Well there’s a possible win-win: Jews are quota’d in social sciences, humanities, law, government, media … but are free to go to town in STEM.

    But I have no idea how the Mexicans, Muslims and Mormons will sort out the quotas down the road. (If the African tsunami is let in, then there won’t even be much worth squabbling over.)

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @anonymous
  109. Anon[701] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    The lady general surgeon who has done a couple of minor dermatological procedures on me was pregnant with her second child the last time I saw her.

    Good for her.

    No, it’s not good if she drops out or goes part time. It’s probably not good even if she doesn’t—men need those jobs in order to attract women and raise families.

    Out of curiosity, what is her age?

  110. Anon7 says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    The male physicians who ran US medicine in the Sixties and Seventies made this point endlessly. Medical school classes are now more than 50% female, so you can see how much good that did.

    Female physicians typically make enough that they can have someone come to their house fifty hours per week for child care. Or they are married to a doctor who makes more than they do, so they can quit, go to short hours or anything they want.

    Naturally, all women believe that their “career” will allow them to do this, and will demand to have a career. Sorry, only women in top 98th percentile jobs can do this.

    • Thanks: That Would Be Telling
  111. Dennis Dale says: • Website
    @Reg Cæsar

    Hardly. It’s full of homeless and crazies but crime rates are like basketball. If you don’t have enough negroes you won’t score high. But they have doubled last year’s body count already this year; most of that violence is blacks shooting blacks. Mutual combat. Portland’s like a European city, with the colorful dregs out in the suburbs, and, until the George Floyd nonsense, a clean and safe downtown.

    They’re working hard, and have made great progress, in changing that.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  112. @AnotherDad

    Well there’s a possible win-win: Jews are quota’d in social sciences, humanities, law, government, media … but are free to go to town in STEM.

    White liberal women have already taken over the social sciences and humanities. They don’t want any more contributions from men and that includes Jewish men.

    They have turned these departments into estrogen clubs and the only men they accept are meek and submissive types that won’t upstage anyone.

    The left-wing Jewish social scientist is a thing of the past. These departments have also been crippled by their own critical theory and lack a sense of direction. Their only common motivation is to sell students on the idea that Whites are to blame for racial and gender inequalities. That and try to salvage what they can of Marx.

    Basically intellectual wastelands that only want to lash out at Whites before someone comes along and calls BS on it all.

  113. anonymous[100] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    Just remember when your Puerto Rican cardiologist disappoints you; it was your idea.

    Well there’s a possible win-win: Jews are quota’d in social sciences, humanities, law, government, media … but are free to go to town in STEM.

    How good are Jews, in actual fact, at medicine, compared to Europeans?

  114. JMcG says:
    @kaganovitch

    It was an Indian cardiologist that crashed that plane in California a couple of days ago. His erstwhile boss is Indian too. Only the Air National Guard lets Puerto Ricans fly airplanes. With predictable results.

  115. Sounds suspiciously like what we were told decades ago in Detriot.

    Maybe it’s time for you to pay attention?

  116. Anonymous[306] • Disclaimer says:
    @gc

    This reminds me of the recent discussion about moral absolutism.

    Hitler fixed the economy, public works, outlawed religious and class discrimination, subsidized education, housing, healthcare. (Lots of poorer Germans went to university for the first time thanks to the Nazis.) The stuff that Attlee did in Britain after the war Hitler had done in Germany before it.

    So were the Nazis good or bad? Old-style leftists (like Chomsky) understood this was a complicated question, and would make a point of acknowledging the good before condemning the bad. It was understood that reducing history to a simplistic fairly tale makes it hard to understand why things happened as they did.

    Of course to modern leftists this isn’t complicated at all. Germans who supported Hitler were just evil or insane. Period.

  117. Rob says:
    @kaganovitch

    We currently have a situation that’s worse than straight quotas – measure, optimize within each category. Worse than quotas, the SAT has been gutted – it no longer tests ability – to obfuscate population differences inability. The SAT situation alone is worse than quotas – no penalty for guessing means more false positives, so dimmer ambitious kids have to take it, and take it, and take it, hoping that this next one, the guesses worked. Grinds have yet another thing they have to grind out. Back when it measured aptitude, all anyone needed was a good night’s sleep and a pencil. Now, Asians have to study two hours a day, every day for like 5 years, and that is time they could be studying AP Chem.

    As a practical matter, we have quotas for non-whites right now. Did you think the 15% of Harvard’s admitted students who are black are actually smart enough for Harvard? Interestingly, the percent is close to the percent of eighteen-year-olds that are black, is it not?

    [MORE]

    As to you Puerto Rican cardiologist boogeyman, do you think there is no AA for medical school? Like the SAT, the MCAT got gutted to obscure the fact that they no longer took extremely bright white men in reasonable numbers. The new MCAT makes fine gradations in the middle of the pack. They used to get not so finely graded into the reject pile. Schools don’t want to admit how much a thumb on the scale AA is, so they accept more lower ability whites – straight quotas would be better. At least we could have more good white doctors, instead of what we have now, which is more GoodWhite doctors.

    Because gentile whites get to share the white quota – the only one smaller than that fraction of the population – with Jews, whites are something like 30% of Ivy League students – but whites get the blame for over-representation, never Jews.

    Honest quotas are sauce. Do Jews think Jews should be over-represented, ditto blacks, Asians, and Hispanics? That should not fly. We should either have forced “fairness” for everyone – or no one and let schools admit by whatever criteria they chose.

    Mandatory minima for every group but gentile whites? Jews need to make a better argument than muh meritocracy. Because jews killed the meritocracy. Think of it this way. When the lady says she’ll sleep with you for a million dollars, you’ve already established what sort of woman she is. You are just haggling over price.

    What’s the best argument for giving quotas for everyone but Jews and whites? Why is this sauce for the goose so awful for the gander? Quotas would hurt jews is not an argument. Do you know the anti-white quotas? Those hurt whites. Jews have spent decades arguing that quotas are good. What is the principle that Jews should never be hurt by diversity policies?

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  118. I have taken classes from or worked for five Nobel laureates (all in physics): Feynman, Weinberg, Thorne, Perl, and Richter. All pretty bright and all extremely hard-working.

    I also had a chance to chat with Luis Alvarez and, on another occasion, hear one of his early talks on the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs. A nice guy, and very impressive.

    I had a slight encounter with one other laureate whom I, and most of my colleagues, found to be not so impressive.

    So, my own anecdotal experience has been that the Swedish Academy has a 6-1 won/lost record.

    Not bad.

  119. epebble says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    why are they deserving of a Noble in physics?

    Penrose has worked in many areas. That may give you a feeling that all he does is theorems and conjectures. But his Nobel is for developing the math that showed how General Theory of Relativity leads to Black holes. Imagine someone mathematically proving all living beings have to die!

    https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/physics/2020/prize-announcement/

  120. Muggles says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Was he right? Is it St Louis-on-the-Sea?

    Portland is adjacent to the Columbia River. The Pacific Ocean is nowhere in sight, about 40 miles downriver or so.

  121. @Rob

    As a practical matter, we have quotas for non-whites right now. Did you think the 15% of Harvard’s admitted students who are black are actually smart enough for Harvard?

    Yes, because the required Harvard undergraduate curriculum is not very demanding even before you allow for the cheating. As of the late 1980s you only had to prove you could do algebra for your math requirement, as related to me by an incensed Jewish friend attending there who was good at math but not quite Math 55 material.

    Which as the hardest math undergraduate class in existence, the sort Richard Stallman (RMS of Gnu/Free Software Foundation (FSF)/”free software fame) excelled at. Which shows the flip side of the undergraduate experience, if you want a superb education in a lot of things including science and math but not engineering you can get one (and for the engineering maybe you can take some classes at MIT but the calendars don’t mesh, or you could just hang around there as my friend with his CS major at Harvard did (and then he can bring you as a visitor into the Harvard library system’s stacks which are awesome for law and medicine)).

    But it’s generally considered that Harvard can get the best of the best of the blacks available. MIT in my days also had no problem due to the extreme self-selection that goes into applying and accepting, and like training carrier pilots, all accepted were fully expected to be able to master the core curriculum which is not trivial.

    But maybe look at CalTech where the core is much harder, was not weakened in “the 60s” for keeping student draft deferments, and last time I checked had gotten harder, with enrollment skewed a lot more Asian and with many fewer women. But has some of the latter who deserve to be there, I’ve met the one that the manic semi-girlfriend of the protagonist in Real Genius was modeled on (a good movie which captured some essential truths thanks to field trips to both campuses, and even the extreme exaggerations like with the tape recorders are screamingly funny).

    Otherwise see Sowell for example on how AA admissions sets up a descending string of failures, where too many higher level and rigorous schools accept unqualified blacks just to make their numbers and then fail them out, when they would have done fine at a lower level school. And on down, creating a huge number of entirely unnecessary failures, student debt for that to some degree, etc.

    And you can extend this into the “everyone must go to college” instead of trade schools conceit (after all, your high school counselors made it that way), including eliminating shop classes as standard, for me in junior high. Can’t understate how valuable the drafting I learned there was, and plastics and woodworking are of course great.

    • Replies: @Rob
  122. @Dennis Dale

    I don’t believe it was me who compared Portland to Mogadishu, but if it was, I owe the city an apology.

    The city of Mogadishu, that is. They had a much calmer 2020.

    • Replies: @Dennis Dale
  123. Jack D says:
    @AnotherDad

    I’ve had this argument with you before. Even George Washington 200 years ago was more enlightened than you. He understood that in America all citizens are co-equal in dignity and that Jews are not guests of the Goyim in the Goyim’s country to be tolerated as long as we don’t piss you off.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Dennis Dale
  124. @J.Ross

    The most effective kings actually did this: temporarily withdrawing, letting the people see tyrantless government…

    Baldwin I of Belgium did just that– as late as 1990:

    Fun Fact: Belgium went for 36 hours without a king

    Australia went the opposite route in 1972 and 1975, the Crown trumping the Government.

    AFAICR, I’d never seen the word duümvirate until just now. I was surprised that my comparative government professor in college had never come across the political meaning of condominium until I brought it up. “You mean like the apartment?” He’d asked, roughly, what do you call a territory ruled by two governments? His answer was “civil war”.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  125. @Jack D

    The Jews in Washington’s day were overwhelmingly Sephardic, who themselves were wary of German Jews and downright horrified by those in Eastern Europe. Even Emma Lazarus, who wanted them to come here, also wanted them to clean up and clean up their act, hence the HIAC. They were the flatland equivalent of our hillbillies and creationists– part of us, but an embarrassing part nonetheless. The Sephardim were like their Anglo-Saxon neighbors, perhaps less brainy than the newer Jews, but more civilized.

    While avuncular marriage is a bad idea in practice, it’s kind of cute that it remains legal in Rhode Island, and solely among Jews. That’s my kind of tolerance.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  126. Dennis Dale says: • Website
    @Reg Cæsar

    Still missing the point. I’m offended by the glib commentary of people who don’t what they’re talking about. I’m not defending the honor of Portland (not into lost causes) I’m checking fools.

    But–this is the very first time you made a coherent joke. Well done. We’ll make you a regular guy yet.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  127. Dennis Dale says: • Website
    @Jack D

    Why the epithets? … You mad? Or just oblivious?

    And what a sucker George was, eh? All you’ve done is point out the immense betrayal of that tolerance. Where are we now, Jack? Toppling his statues and cursing his name. We would never have arrived here without our Jewish co-citizens–in fact, when they aren’t brushing off this charge, they’re boasting about it. It all depends on the room.

    You’re mad someone might consider you “guests”? When your people have been instrumental in turning us into something less than guests in our own country? To be treated as guests would be a massive improvement for us.

    You won. Now own it. Until the Chinese come for the spoils. What a bummer to become dominant in the West and then for the West to fall apart. But then, we’re falling apart largely because of the efforts by which you achieved domination, so, maybe it’s all part of the plan.

    How does it feel to have your own country?

  128. J.Ross says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Well of course: if governments can work together then where would that leave comparative government professors?

  129. @Dennis Dale

    I lived across the river from Minneapolis, so I know my Mogadishus. I also believe you are when you say you’re from, or from near, Hawthorne– you have the most surfer-dude name imaginable.

  130. Jack D says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    True Sephardim (those who trace their ancestry thru Spain) are plenty brainy, as befits a European race. For example, Emma’s cousin, Judge Cardozo, is considered to be one of the greatest American jurists. The Jews of the Arab lands who never passed thru Spain (e.g. Yemenite Jews), not so much.

    So much hatred and agita has been caused by people viewing Jews as an alien race and not as your fellow (half) Europeans. If the genetics of European Jews had been properly understood, if you understood that we were your sister’s children, I think things might have turned out quite differently. The Jews of Europe didn’t get their brains from the Middle East – in antiquity the Jews (unlike the Greeks) were not noted for their intellect. Jews are not an exception to the rule that the Europeans are the premier race in terms of intellect (if not running speed), they are part of it.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  131. Rob says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    I am not coordinated or artsy at all, but i really liked shop class. Came in sevond in the little CO2 derby we haf. I was the only one who realized that lighter was better. My car was just wide enough for the CO2 cartridge in the back and had a needle nose. Was not symmetric, which is where the not coordinated came in. Maybe that was why i didn’t come in first. I lost to the kid i beat out for saluditorian. So it was kinda fair.

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
  132. Rob says:

    Or however it’s spelled. Second highest GPA in 8th grade! Downhill ever since.

  133. @Abolish_public_education

    Cheaper than the Large Hadron and better to spend those it on LIGO than CRT…wait, sorry, we are spending tons on CRT.

    Never mind.

    Anyway, all the low hanging fruit in physics have been plucked. The days of a double slit experiment on a lab bench with some cardboard and lightbulb are over.

    Particle physics is probably at a dead end now. There’s talk of building a gigantic LIGO in space, I guess we’ll see.

    All the interesting action now is in fluid mechanics and super conductivity and, of course, astrophysics, since we have space telescopes that still work. But will we ever do a James Webb extravaganza again? Given cost overruns, and all the delays, not likely.

    As for the theoreticians? Well, like Sean Carroll, they are writing mass market books and doing youtube videos. Interesting stuff, and worth the time, but if Niels Bohr or Erwin Schrödinger — even John Wheeler — were alive, would they have youtube channels??

    Feynman more likely, though he might have a sub channel on playing the bongos.

  134. @War for Blair Mountain

    The End of Science!!! Good book. He’s mostly right I think, though in biological science there are HUGE frontiers out there — genetics, immunology, to name just two.

    Physics, though — yeah, the end of the road seems to be coming.

    Should mathematical physics get a Nobel? Well, they have to give it to somebody, I guess. Theoreticians go completely orgasmic over the equations in string theory — but what’s the difference between the number of angels on the head of pin, and the number of dimensions?

    If you can’t see ’em, they may not be there.

    Experimental physics to prove theories like that will be HUGELY expensive. Will we write the check, knowing it may be for naught? You can make a compelling argument that since we found the Higgs, we can dismantle the Large Hadron now and sell it for scrap.

    I think the public has no problem building telescopes that take cool pictures you can use for screen savers. But other than that….

  135. @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    If SpaceX’ starship pans out, then we will have space telescopes in the future. Starship has more room so there will be much less need for the expensive origami that made James Webb so expensive. The cheaper launch costs should also help, because we make a gold plated probe that you are really sure will work when you can just make more and launch all of them for less money?

    And if the Bohr brothers could be footballers (and one of them win Olympic silver), why not youtubers as well?

  136. @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    Lots of very exciting research in condensed matter physics and solid state physics…..and….A NEW ERA OF DOUBLE SLIT EXPERIMENTS!!!!….Fuck high energy physics…

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