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With all the money being poured into adding Diversity-Inclusion-Equity staffers since George Floyd’s demise, today’s teeming legions of DIE apparatchiks could do some real damage … if they weren’t so exhausted from all the emotional labor they must perform at all the DIE conferences they have to attend.

 
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  1. Anonymous[954] • Disclaimer says:

    Why does this woman still have a job?

    • LOL: BB753
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous


    Why does this woman still have a job?
     
    https://storage.googleapis.com/afs-prod/media/94ef8910b4b84067a99b4831560b98d3/400.jpeg

    Replies: @Prester John

    , @bomag
    @Anonymous

    Could have been worse.

  2. “Goldfinger, Do you expect me to talk?”

    “Why no, Mr. Bond, I expect you to die!”

    • Agree: bomag
    • Thanks: Nicholas Stix
  3. “With all the money being poured into adding Diversity-Inclusion-Equity staffers since George Floyd’s demise, today’s teeming legions of DIE apparatchiks could do some real damage … if they weren’t so lazy.’

    People of that ilk don’t have to be all gung ho and enterprising to do real damage. They just have to be.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Kylie

    I happen to know that "Urgency" has long been one of the key buzzwords for DIE indoctrination camps. It sounds like someone made a pretty clever complaint against the mechanism. I am picturing a 1950's-era TV robot chopping it's arms up and down as sparks fly out of its head... "Does not compute... does not.. com. pute..."

  4. lmao, I guess CP time is making a come back

    • LOL: 36 ulster
  5. I see the media is trying to start anti-white race riots and pogroms again with the Akron police shooting of an “unarmed”
    black man.”

    Very few of the articles note the following relevant facts about the late Jayland Walker:

    (1) He was fleeing the police
    (2) In a car that had fled the police the prior day
    (3) He was shooting at the police from the car
    (4) He was wearing a ski mask over his face in summer
    (5) His gun was recovered from his vehicle.

    NY Post includes these facts, but most don’t.

    https://nypost.com/2022/07/03/ohio-police-release-video-of-officers-killing-jayland-walker/

    • Agree: Nicholas Stix
    • Replies: @Joe Magarac
    @Pixo


    I see the media is trying to start anti-white race riots and pogroms again ...
     
    The "media" have their marching orders from the ruling class who own them.

    Hitler was reputed to have said "rule or ruin". With these guys it's rule AND ruin.
    , @Prester John
    @Pixo

    Blacks are their own worst enemy.

    Replies: @Hannah Katz, @AndrewR

  6. All black men are, by definition, unarmed.

    • LOL: fnn
  7. Oprah, ahead of her time:

    • Agree: bomag
  8. Danielle Droppers, MSW (she/her)… Don’t forget to include your pronouns!

  9. Technically, she’s only wrong in insinuating it’s _exclusively_ white. More accurately, it’s a snow-ape thing, which whites tend to be and not blacks. When the first snowfall is a few weeks away, it becomes very urgent to get your remaining harvest in. Urgency exists less in a world where food grows on trees year-round. Why would whites, who evolved under the evolutionary imperative of schedules, expect equatorial peoples to so easily take up behaviors that never shaped their DNA?

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @PseudoNhymm


    Why would whites, who evolved under the evolutionary imperative of schedules, expect equatorial peoples to so easily take up behaviors that never shaped their DNA?
     
    That must be why Singapore is such a sleepy backwater town...

    Replies: @PseudoNhymm, @Reg Cæsar, @Gordo

    , @Flip
    @PseudoNhymm

    Rushton had it right.

  10. What we are witnessing is a final giant offensive in the long parasite putsch against legacy Americans.

    Republicans–conservative ones who at least claim to care about Americans–really need to stop pussy footing around and use the “P word”–“parasite”.

    Specifically call out the contradictions. Moses–or Charleton Heston–saying “let my people go!” is about escaping oppression. (Let us leave and do our own thing.) The Golfocaust, whining about Harvard quotas, whining about “ethnic neighborhoods”, demanding school busing are not. They are demands for better looting.

    If you really feel “the cops are oppressing us”, you would welcome having your own neighborhoods with your own cops.

    And don’t even get me started on the border. Biden is set to wave in another 2 million “people of color” to be oppressed by the white man. Huh? What’s wrong with this picture?

    And where the hell are the Republicans yelling “bullshit” on the most obvious minoritarian bullshit? Call all these people what they are “parasites”.

    • Thanks: Paul Jolliffe
    • Replies: @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia
    @AnotherDad


    What we are witnessing is a final giant offensive in the long parasite putsch against legacy Americans.

    Republicans–conservative ones who at least claim to care about Americans–really need to stop pussy footing around and use the “P word”–“parasite”.
     
    Yep.

    The minute a Republican candidate says something along the lines of

    "I oppose/hate/find offensive/will rid the federal government of diversity. . .

    parasites/grifters/deadweight/thought police...

     

    I am whipping our my checkbook.

    I think, however, my account will remain all mine.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @AnotherDad

    Only part I don't agree with:


    Specifically call out the contradictions.
     
    People have been doing that for years. Steve Sailer does a hell of a job at it, as do his commenters and many thousands of other website.

    That's all good to get a few of those on the fence on our side. However, these black race hustlers, money grabbers, and the worst, the highly-paid Dieversity conversationalists, and all of the people behind them don't care if you call out the contradictions, even if they fully understand that you are right. They hate us.

    Replies: @Kylie

    , @Travis
    @AnotherDad

    Move to Maine and escape diversity tomorrow. Nothing is stopping white nationalists from moving to Maine to escape the encroaching diversity of their home states. Move to Maine and you will never see another Black person nor have to deal with a Black person , even when you go to Walmart or the DMV. Maine is already a white ethnostate within the US which can be a refuge for other like-minded whites who seek to escape from diversity.

    Replies: @Aeronerauk, @additionalMike, @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Loyalty Over IQ Worship
    @AnotherDad


    And where the hell are the Republicans yelling “bullshit” on the most obvious minoritarian bullshit?
     
    Can anyone explain the value of this "minoritarian" complaint?

    Anyway, Whites will be a minority soon. Already are under the age of five.

    Replies: @Dchjk

    , @War for Blair Mountain
    @AnotherDad

    It starts with pointing out the Democratic Party Voting Bloc is effectively majority nonwhite…and highly racialized….and that this will never change…

    Tucker Carlson fantasizes that if everyone supports and worships the Constitution…America won’t be about race anymore…Of course this pure Libertarian Fantasy World…

    The starting point for honest discussion is this:The Democratic Party will always be about race because of the passage of the 1965 Immigration Reform Act…..And move on from here….This should be Tucker Carlson’s starting point…

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Jack D
    @AnotherDad


    The Golfocaust, whining about Harvard quotas,
     
    You are purposely blurring two very different things. The "Golfocaust" was a petty thing, which was never of interest to most Jews let alone Americans in general. My father didn't play golf - he shoveled chicken manure. The name itself is meant to minimize anti-Semitism in America. Exclusion from exclusive golf clubs was just the tip of the iceberg and never of any importance in and of itself.

    On the other hand, being virtually excluded from the upper ranks of American higher education was a very real and serious thing and it was not wrong or "whining" to struggle against this injustice. If you can't see that, then you are the one with a problem.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Reg Cæsar

  11. @Pixo
    I see the media is trying to start anti-white race riots and pogroms again with the Akron police shooting of an “unarmed”
    black man.”

    Very few of the articles note the following relevant facts about the late Jayland Walker:

    (1) He was fleeing the police
    (2) In a car that had fled the police the prior day
    (3) He was shooting at the police from the car
    (4) He was wearing a ski mask over his face in summer
    (5) His gun was recovered from his vehicle.

    NY Post includes these facts, but most don’t.

    https://nypost.com/2022/07/03/ohio-police-release-video-of-officers-killing-jayland-walker/

    Replies: @Joe Magarac, @Prester John

    I see the media is trying to start anti-white race riots and pogroms again …

    The “media” have their marching orders from the ruling class who own them.

    Hitler was reputed to have said “rule or ruin”. With these guys it’s rule AND ruin.

  12. @PseudoNhymm
    Technically, she's only wrong in insinuating it's _exclusively_ white. More accurately, it's a snow-ape thing, which whites tend to be and not blacks. When the first snowfall is a few weeks away, it becomes very urgent to get your remaining harvest in. Urgency exists less in a world where food grows on trees year-round. Why would whites, who evolved under the evolutionary imperative of schedules, expect equatorial peoples to so easily take up behaviors that never shaped their DNA?

    Replies: @AceDeuce, @Flip

    Why would whites, who evolved under the evolutionary imperative of schedules, expect equatorial peoples to so easily take up behaviors that never shaped their DNA?

    That must be why Singapore is such a sleepy backwater town…

    • Replies: @PseudoNhymm
    @AceDeuce

    A centuries-old international trading hub popular with the British colonialists? Hmm... you got me on that one.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @AceDeuce



    Why would whites, who evolved under the evolutionary imperative of schedules, expect equatorial peoples to so easily take up behaviors that never shaped their DNA?
     
    That must be why Singapore is such a sleepy backwater town…
     
    The ancestors of the people who run Singapore did not evolve at that latitude, any more than those of the people who run Brisbane or Cayenne.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Gordo
    @AceDeuce

    Singapore was built by the British and is now ruled by Han Chinese.

    Replies: @AceDeuce


  13. Last week, I met an old friend now heads a medical center in the Midwest and is responsible for a few thousand employees. We got to talking about DIE and all that. He estimates that about ten percent of his time is now spent on “issues” and meetings that originate from the DIE people in his human resources department.

    He was pessimistic, and said that the problem will last another generation, at least, because there are no performance metrics for these people, and no CEO can reduce DIE headcount without committing instant career suicide.

    • Replies: @newrouter
    @PiltdownMan

    Get rid of HR and DIE will die with it.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

    , @Franz
    @PiltdownMan


    He was pessimistic, and said that the problem will last another generation, at least
     
    It'll last forever. It's working for the squeaky wheels and it's been working for a long long time.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Art Deco

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @PiltdownMan

    "the problem will last another generation"

    DIE + ESG = probably three generations

    , @AndrewR
    @PiltdownMan

    We still live in a time of comfort and abundance for the vast majority of Americans. When the rubber of collapse finally hits the road, useless eaters will find their sinecures greatly reduced.

  14. @AnotherDad
    What we are witnessing is a final giant offensive in the long parasite putsch against legacy Americans.

    Republicans--conservative ones who at least claim to care about Americans--really need to stop pussy footing around and use the "P word"--"parasite".

    Specifically call out the contradictions. Moses--or Charleton Heston--saying "let my people go!" is about escaping oppression. (Let us leave and do our own thing.) The Golfocaust, whining about Harvard quotas, whining about "ethnic neighborhoods", demanding school busing are not. They are demands for better looting.

    If you really feel "the cops are oppressing us", you would welcome having your own neighborhoods with your own cops.

    And don't even get me started on the border. Biden is set to wave in another 2 million "people of color" to be oppressed by the white man. Huh? What's wrong with this picture?

    And where the hell are the Republicans yelling "bullshit" on the most obvious minoritarian bullshit? Call all these people what they are "parasites".

    Replies: @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia, @Achmed E. Newman, @Travis, @Loyalty Over IQ Worship, @War for Blair Mountain, @Jack D

    What we are witnessing is a final giant offensive in the long parasite putsch against legacy Americans.

    Republicans–conservative ones who at least claim to care about Americans–really need to stop pussy footing around and use the “P word”–“parasite”.

    Yep.

    The minute a Republican candidate says something along the lines of

    “I oppose/hate/find offensive/will rid the federal government of diversity. . .

    parasites/grifters/deadweight/thought police…

    I am whipping our my checkbook.

    I think, however, my account will remain all mine.

  15. @PiltdownMan
    http://www.pjw.info/copwatch/PPR75/TAC_danielle_droppers.jpg

    Last week, I met an old friend now heads a medical center in the Midwest and is responsible for a few thousand employees. We got to talking about DIE and all that. He estimates that about ten percent of his time is now spent on "issues" and meetings that originate from the DIE people in his human resources department.

    He was pessimistic, and said that the problem will last another generation, at least, because there are no performance metrics for these people, and no CEO can reduce DIE headcount without committing instant career suicide.

    Replies: @newrouter, @Franz, @SunBakedSuburb, @AndrewR

    Get rid of HR and DIE will die with it.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @newrouter

    The only practical way to do that is to outsource the functions overseas, I reckon. You're right of course, perhaps that is the future of HR in the American workplace.

  16. @AnotherDad
    What we are witnessing is a final giant offensive in the long parasite putsch against legacy Americans.

    Republicans--conservative ones who at least claim to care about Americans--really need to stop pussy footing around and use the "P word"--"parasite".

    Specifically call out the contradictions. Moses--or Charleton Heston--saying "let my people go!" is about escaping oppression. (Let us leave and do our own thing.) The Golfocaust, whining about Harvard quotas, whining about "ethnic neighborhoods", demanding school busing are not. They are demands for better looting.

    If you really feel "the cops are oppressing us", you would welcome having your own neighborhoods with your own cops.

    And don't even get me started on the border. Biden is set to wave in another 2 million "people of color" to be oppressed by the white man. Huh? What's wrong with this picture?

    And where the hell are the Republicans yelling "bullshit" on the most obvious minoritarian bullshit? Call all these people what they are "parasites".

    Replies: @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia, @Achmed E. Newman, @Travis, @Loyalty Over IQ Worship, @War for Blair Mountain, @Jack D

    Only part I don’t agree with:

    Specifically call out the contradictions.

    People have been doing that for years. Steve Sailer does a hell of a job at it, as do his commenters and many thousands of other website.

    That’s all good to get a few of those on the fence on our side. However, these black race hustlers, money grabbers, and the worst, the highly-paid Dieversity conversationalists, and all of the people behind them don’t care if you call out the contradictions, even if they fully understand that you are right. They hate us.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Achmed E. Newman

    "...these black race hustlers, money grabbers, and the worst, the highly-paid Dieversity conversationalists, and all of the people behind them don’t care if you call out the contradictions, even if they fully understand that you are right. They hate us."

    Also, for them, feelz always trump facts. It's easier for them to win that way. They aren't particularly intelligent but they do have plenty of animal cunning.

  17. @Achmed E. Newman
    @AnotherDad

    Only part I don't agree with:


    Specifically call out the contradictions.
     
    People have been doing that for years. Steve Sailer does a hell of a job at it, as do his commenters and many thousands of other website.

    That's all good to get a few of those on the fence on our side. However, these black race hustlers, money grabbers, and the worst, the highly-paid Dieversity conversationalists, and all of the people behind them don't care if you call out the contradictions, even if they fully understand that you are right. They hate us.

    Replies: @Kylie

    “…these black race hustlers, money grabbers, and the worst, the highly-paid Dieversity conversationalists, and all of the people behind them don’t care if you call out the contradictions, even if they fully understand that you are right. They hate us.”

    Also, for them, feelz always trump facts. It’s easier for them to win that way. They aren’t particularly intelligent but they do have plenty of animal cunning.

  18. @AnotherDad
    What we are witnessing is a final giant offensive in the long parasite putsch against legacy Americans.

    Republicans--conservative ones who at least claim to care about Americans--really need to stop pussy footing around and use the "P word"--"parasite".

    Specifically call out the contradictions. Moses--or Charleton Heston--saying "let my people go!" is about escaping oppression. (Let us leave and do our own thing.) The Golfocaust, whining about Harvard quotas, whining about "ethnic neighborhoods", demanding school busing are not. They are demands for better looting.

    If you really feel "the cops are oppressing us", you would welcome having your own neighborhoods with your own cops.

    And don't even get me started on the border. Biden is set to wave in another 2 million "people of color" to be oppressed by the white man. Huh? What's wrong with this picture?

    And where the hell are the Republicans yelling "bullshit" on the most obvious minoritarian bullshit? Call all these people what they are "parasites".

    Replies: @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia, @Achmed E. Newman, @Travis, @Loyalty Over IQ Worship, @War for Blair Mountain, @Jack D

    Move to Maine and escape diversity tomorrow. Nothing is stopping white nationalists from moving to Maine to escape the encroaching diversity of their home states. Move to Maine and you will never see another Black person nor have to deal with a Black person , even when you go to Walmart or the DMV. Maine is already a white ethnostate within the US which can be a refuge for other like-minded whites who seek to escape from diversity.

    • Replies: @Aeronerauk
    @Travis

    You haven't been to Maine recently.

    , @additionalMike
    @Travis

    Right-o, Travis.
    Now talk about Portland.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Travis

    They aren't letting anyone off this easy, Travis. Plenty of Somalian refugees have been imported by nice compassionate church ladies to Lewiston and Portland, and do you think it will stop there? I've read from 6,000 to 12,000, but they don't operate at Western fertility rates. Those numbers sound like peanuts, but one has to look at the count of the children.

    They have already bragged "We aren't going anywhere!".

    Yeah, you'll be seeing them at Wal-Mart. Running is not the long-term solution.

    Replies: @duncsbaby, @Dani

  19. @Travis
    @AnotherDad

    Move to Maine and escape diversity tomorrow. Nothing is stopping white nationalists from moving to Maine to escape the encroaching diversity of their home states. Move to Maine and you will never see another Black person nor have to deal with a Black person , even when you go to Walmart or the DMV. Maine is already a white ethnostate within the US which can be a refuge for other like-minded whites who seek to escape from diversity.

    Replies: @Aeronerauk, @additionalMike, @Achmed E. Newman

    You haven’t been to Maine recently.

  20. @newrouter
    @PiltdownMan

    Get rid of HR and DIE will die with it.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

    The only practical way to do that is to outsource the functions overseas, I reckon. You’re right of course, perhaps that is the future of HR in the American workplace.

  21. @Travis
    @AnotherDad

    Move to Maine and escape diversity tomorrow. Nothing is stopping white nationalists from moving to Maine to escape the encroaching diversity of their home states. Move to Maine and you will never see another Black person nor have to deal with a Black person , even when you go to Walmart or the DMV. Maine is already a white ethnostate within the US which can be a refuge for other like-minded whites who seek to escape from diversity.

    Replies: @Aeronerauk, @additionalMike, @Achmed E. Newman

    Right-o, Travis.
    Now talk about Portland.

  22. @Travis
    @AnotherDad

    Move to Maine and escape diversity tomorrow. Nothing is stopping white nationalists from moving to Maine to escape the encroaching diversity of their home states. Move to Maine and you will never see another Black person nor have to deal with a Black person , even when you go to Walmart or the DMV. Maine is already a white ethnostate within the US which can be a refuge for other like-minded whites who seek to escape from diversity.

    Replies: @Aeronerauk, @additionalMike, @Achmed E. Newman

    They aren’t letting anyone off this easy, Travis. Plenty of Somalian refugees have been imported by nice compassionate church ladies to Lewiston and Portland, and do you think it will stop there? I’ve read from 6,000 to 12,000, but they don’t operate at Western fertility rates. Those numbers sound like peanuts, but one has to look at the count of the children.

    They have already bragged “We aren’t going anywhere!”.

    Yeah, you’ll be seeing them at Wal-Mart. Running is not the long-term solution.

    • Agree: duncsbaby, RVBlake
    • Replies: @duncsbaby
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The Walmart "greeter" at the local Fargo store I go to every now and then has turned from a friendly old Norwegian guy into a silent, head turned down, Somali woman, most of the stockers are from out of town as well. One checks themselves out through self-check out but if there's a problem, a white gal will come over to scan her ID and reset the computer.

    Replies: @epebble

    , @Dani
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Yeah, that article about the best and worst attributes of the 50 states was from USA Today in 2018. I recall having read something within the last 2 years or so that came out of Maine. I can't remember the name of the town, perhaps it was Lewiston, but if focused on a park somewhere in Maine where black refugees were creating a huge problem. I remember feeling very deflated in reading it because I thought Maine was safe. It became apparent to me from that time on that absolutely no zip code in all 50 states was safe from being diversified.
    Remember a few years back when New Hampshire received "negative" attention for being "too White" at what was 98% at that time? That was a few years ago and even THAT was shameless for the time.

  23. @AnotherDad
    What we are witnessing is a final giant offensive in the long parasite putsch against legacy Americans.

    Republicans--conservative ones who at least claim to care about Americans--really need to stop pussy footing around and use the "P word"--"parasite".

    Specifically call out the contradictions. Moses--or Charleton Heston--saying "let my people go!" is about escaping oppression. (Let us leave and do our own thing.) The Golfocaust, whining about Harvard quotas, whining about "ethnic neighborhoods", demanding school busing are not. They are demands for better looting.

    If you really feel "the cops are oppressing us", you would welcome having your own neighborhoods with your own cops.

    And don't even get me started on the border. Biden is set to wave in another 2 million "people of color" to be oppressed by the white man. Huh? What's wrong with this picture?

    And where the hell are the Republicans yelling "bullshit" on the most obvious minoritarian bullshit? Call all these people what they are "parasites".

    Replies: @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia, @Achmed E. Newman, @Travis, @Loyalty Over IQ Worship, @War for Blair Mountain, @Jack D

    And where the hell are the Republicans yelling “bullshit” on the most obvious minoritarian bullshit?

    Can anyone explain the value of this “minoritarian” complaint?

    Anyway, Whites will be a minority soon. Already are under the age of five.

    • Replies: @Dchjk
    @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    They also believe in pure democracy,majority rule, in the right circumstances.

  24. I saw this yesterday on Twitter, I think. I am willing to give people the benefit of the doubt that they sincerely believed that if they had more time to prepare for this meeting, it would be more valuable. OK. Delay meeting as requested by a number of people.

    But why go the extra mile to bring up white supremacy? Urgency itself when nessessary is a very sound value to have. It can be of the utmost importance in public health.

    The false sense of urgency that insists that every scheduled meeting has to happened on the original scheduled day because … that is when it was scheduled? That is not a white person value. That is an inflexible and compulsive response. People of all kinds can be inflexible and compulsive. I bet this memo writer brings up white supremacy all the time and blames everything on it. Is that because she is white? No, it is because she is an compulsive idiot who wants to prove how Woke she is.

    I bet the minorities she works with laugh at her and they’d be right to. I would too.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @notsaying


    I bet this memo writer brings up white supremacy all the time and blames everything on it.
     
    The international slave trade was ended through blatant white supremacy, as was suttee.
  25. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Travis

    They aren't letting anyone off this easy, Travis. Plenty of Somalian refugees have been imported by nice compassionate church ladies to Lewiston and Portland, and do you think it will stop there? I've read from 6,000 to 12,000, but they don't operate at Western fertility rates. Those numbers sound like peanuts, but one has to look at the count of the children.

    They have already bragged "We aren't going anywhere!".

    Yeah, you'll be seeing them at Wal-Mart. Running is not the long-term solution.

    Replies: @duncsbaby, @Dani

    The Walmart “greeter” at the local Fargo store I go to every now and then has turned from a friendly old Norwegian guy into a silent, head turned down, Somali woman, most of the stockers are from out of town as well. One checks themselves out through self-check out but if there’s a problem, a white gal will come over to scan her ID and reset the computer.

    • Replies: @epebble
    @duncsbaby

    I went to my local Walmart last Wednesday around 5 p.m. The place was moderately busy. I have been looking at Walmart's intense push towards getting rid of cashiers and was surprised - they seem to have finally gone the whole hog. There was no counter with a cashier and the only checkout method was self-checkout. They continue to have pick-up service where a Walmart worker does shopping for you and brings your items to your car in the parking lot. Looks like Walmart is approaching Amazon format with the added benefit of quicker delivery.

    Replies: @Jack D

  26. @PiltdownMan
    http://www.pjw.info/copwatch/PPR75/TAC_danielle_droppers.jpg

    Last week, I met an old friend now heads a medical center in the Midwest and is responsible for a few thousand employees. We got to talking about DIE and all that. He estimates that about ten percent of his time is now spent on "issues" and meetings that originate from the DIE people in his human resources department.

    He was pessimistic, and said that the problem will last another generation, at least, because there are no performance metrics for these people, and no CEO can reduce DIE headcount without committing instant career suicide.

    Replies: @newrouter, @Franz, @SunBakedSuburb, @AndrewR

    He was pessimistic, and said that the problem will last another generation, at least

    It’ll last forever. It’s working for the squeaky wheels and it’s been working for a long long time.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Franz

    Well a certain amount of sand in the gears can be tolerated for a while but eventually the machine will grind to a halt from the damage that is being caused.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    , @Art Deco
    @Franz

    Disagree. A great deal of the DEI woke rubbish is another corporate fad, like Total Quality Management a generation ago. TQM wasn't malicious, of course. Fads come, fads go.

    A fellow I correspond with who is recently retired from the GC's office at a largish corporation was emphatic to all of us in the forum we frequent that the impetus for this at his company was not coming from the lawyers, who were not consulted. He said it was coming from HR and corporate communications, and adopted by senior executives for nonsense reasons. If his experience is representative, you do have to wonder what sort of traits for which competition in corporate bureaucracies select. (I'm recalling John DeLorean's portrait of the GM executives with whom he was working ca. 1967).

    Replies: @Eric Novak, @Franz

  27. @Anonymous
    Why does this woman still have a job?

    https://youtu.be/KJLEGHINRMc

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @bomag

    Why does this woman still have a job?

    • Replies: @Prester John
    @Reg Cæsar

    Then again, why does BIDEN have a job?

    Replies: @fish

  28. @AceDeuce
    @PseudoNhymm


    Why would whites, who evolved under the evolutionary imperative of schedules, expect equatorial peoples to so easily take up behaviors that never shaped their DNA?
     
    That must be why Singapore is such a sleepy backwater town...

    Replies: @PseudoNhymm, @Reg Cæsar, @Gordo

    A centuries-old international trading hub popular with the British colonialists? Hmm… you got me on that one.

  29. @notsaying
    I saw this yesterday on Twitter, I think. I am willing to give people the benefit of the doubt that they sincerely believed that if they had more time to prepare for this meeting, it would be more valuable. OK. Delay meeting as requested by a number of people.

    But why go the extra mile to bring up white supremacy? Urgency itself when nessessary is a very sound value to have. It can be of the utmost importance in public health.

    The false sense of urgency that insists that every scheduled meeting has to happened on the original scheduled day because ... that is when it was scheduled? That is not a white person value. That is an inflexible and compulsive response. People of all kinds can be inflexible and compulsive. I bet this memo writer brings up white supremacy all the time and blames everything on it. Is that because she is white? No, it is because she is an compulsive idiot who wants to prove how Woke she is.

    I bet the minorities she works with laugh at her and they'd be right to. I would too.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I bet this memo writer brings up white supremacy all the time and blames everything on it.

    The international slave trade was ended through blatant white supremacy, as was suttee.

  30. @AceDeuce
    @PseudoNhymm


    Why would whites, who evolved under the evolutionary imperative of schedules, expect equatorial peoples to so easily take up behaviors that never shaped their DNA?
     
    That must be why Singapore is such a sleepy backwater town...

    Replies: @PseudoNhymm, @Reg Cæsar, @Gordo

    Why would whites, who evolved under the evolutionary imperative of schedules, expect equatorial peoples to so easily take up behaviors that never shaped their DNA?

    That must be why Singapore is such a sleepy backwater town…

    The ancestors of the people who run Singapore did not evolve at that latitude, any more than those of the people who run Brisbane or Cayenne.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    In fact it is believed that the epicanthic fold characteristic of Asians may have evolved as an adaptation to cold climates - basically extra insulation to keep your eyeballs from freezing.

    Although Arctic people do not generally practice agriculture due to the climate, considerable planning was required to survive the winter. For example it was common to create buried caches of meat in the fall that could be dug up in the height of winter.

  31. @AceDeuce
    @PseudoNhymm


    Why would whites, who evolved under the evolutionary imperative of schedules, expect equatorial peoples to so easily take up behaviors that never shaped their DNA?
     
    That must be why Singapore is such a sleepy backwater town...

    Replies: @PseudoNhymm, @Reg Cæsar, @Gordo

    Singapore was built by the British and is now ruled by Han Chinese.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @Gordo

    Yeah, I know. I've spent some time there.

    Upon reflection, it wasn't an especially good response on my part to the OP.

  32. @Pixo
    I see the media is trying to start anti-white race riots and pogroms again with the Akron police shooting of an “unarmed”
    black man.”

    Very few of the articles note the following relevant facts about the late Jayland Walker:

    (1) He was fleeing the police
    (2) In a car that had fled the police the prior day
    (3) He was shooting at the police from the car
    (4) He was wearing a ski mask over his face in summer
    (5) His gun was recovered from his vehicle.

    NY Post includes these facts, but most don’t.

    https://nypost.com/2022/07/03/ohio-police-release-video-of-officers-killing-jayland-walker/

    Replies: @Joe Magarac, @Prester John

    Blacks are their own worst enemy.

    • Replies: @Hannah Katz
    @Prester John

    Like Pink.

    , @AndrewR
    @Prester John

    Jews are the blacks' worst enemy, followed closely by blacks, with whites being an extremely distant third.

  33. @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous


    Why does this woman still have a job?
     
    https://storage.googleapis.com/afs-prod/media/94ef8910b4b84067a99b4831560b98d3/400.jpeg

    Replies: @Prester John

    Then again, why does BIDEN have a job?

    • Replies: @fish
    @Prester John

    Something needed to be done about “Bad Orange Man”.

  34. @PseudoNhymm
    Technically, she's only wrong in insinuating it's _exclusively_ white. More accurately, it's a snow-ape thing, which whites tend to be and not blacks. When the first snowfall is a few weeks away, it becomes very urgent to get your remaining harvest in. Urgency exists less in a world where food grows on trees year-round. Why would whites, who evolved under the evolutionary imperative of schedules, expect equatorial peoples to so easily take up behaviors that never shaped their DNA?

    Replies: @AceDeuce, @Flip

    Rushton had it right.

  35. @Prester John
    @Pixo

    Blacks are their own worst enemy.

    Replies: @Hannah Katz, @AndrewR

    Like Pink.

  36. Mr. Soave further noted that “[urgency is a white supremacy value] is a great defense if you ever get in trouble for slacking off at work.”

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @EddieSpaghetti

    Here's a brown poofter who got canned for not working. He said he was grieving over the Dobbs decision. His employer said get lost.

    https://nypost.com/2022/07/04/employee-who-refused-to-work-while-mourning-roe-v-wade-fired/

    More, please.

  37. @Reg Cæsar
    @AceDeuce



    Why would whites, who evolved under the evolutionary imperative of schedules, expect equatorial peoples to so easily take up behaviors that never shaped their DNA?
     
    That must be why Singapore is such a sleepy backwater town…
     
    The ancestors of the people who run Singapore did not evolve at that latitude, any more than those of the people who run Brisbane or Cayenne.

    Replies: @Jack D

    In fact it is believed that the epicanthic fold characteristic of Asians may have evolved as an adaptation to cold climates – basically extra insulation to keep your eyeballs from freezing.

    Although Arctic people do not generally practice agriculture due to the climate, considerable planning was required to survive the winter. For example it was common to create buried caches of meat in the fall that could be dug up in the height of winter.

  38. @Prester John
    @Reg Cæsar

    Then again, why does BIDEN have a job?

    Replies: @fish

    Something needed to be done about “Bad Orange Man”.

  39. “urgency is a white supremacy value.”

    As always, it is a useful (though impermissible) exercise to reverse the races and imagine a white person writing (in a personal leaked text message let alone an official correspondence), for example that

    “lack of urgency is a colored people value.”

    How long would said white person keep her job?

    Said white person would quickly find out that in certain cases (hers) involving things that are of interest to people of color, lack of urgency is NOT a colored people value and she would be defenestrated so fast that her head would spin.

    In fact, lack of urgency is NOT a colored people value. If said colored person wants your wallet or your car keys, the urgency can be quite great. The issue is not urgency but motivation – whether or not some cracker gets his driver’s license or his tax refund or whatever is not really of great concern to people of color.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
  40. @duncsbaby
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The Walmart "greeter" at the local Fargo store I go to every now and then has turned from a friendly old Norwegian guy into a silent, head turned down, Somali woman, most of the stockers are from out of town as well. One checks themselves out through self-check out but if there's a problem, a white gal will come over to scan her ID and reset the computer.

    Replies: @epebble

    I went to my local Walmart last Wednesday around 5 p.m. The place was moderately busy. I have been looking at Walmart’s intense push towards getting rid of cashiers and was surprised – they seem to have finally gone the whole hog. There was no counter with a cashier and the only checkout method was self-checkout. They continue to have pick-up service where a Walmart worker does shopping for you and brings your items to your car in the parking lot. Looks like Walmart is approaching Amazon format with the added benefit of quicker delivery.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @epebble

    Amazon is a step ahead. Very soon they are going to open an "Amazon Fresh" store near where I live with a "Just Walk Out" feature. This is similar to how People of Color do undocumented shopping - when you are done shopping you just walk out of the store. However, in this wypipo version, they have your credit card on file and there are cameras watching and AI that is supposed to figure out what you put in your cart (and what you put back) and they actually charge you for what you walk out with.

    Replies: @epebble

  41. @epebble
    @duncsbaby

    I went to my local Walmart last Wednesday around 5 p.m. The place was moderately busy. I have been looking at Walmart's intense push towards getting rid of cashiers and was surprised - they seem to have finally gone the whole hog. There was no counter with a cashier and the only checkout method was self-checkout. They continue to have pick-up service where a Walmart worker does shopping for you and brings your items to your car in the parking lot. Looks like Walmart is approaching Amazon format with the added benefit of quicker delivery.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Amazon is a step ahead. Very soon they are going to open an “Amazon Fresh” store near where I live with a “Just Walk Out” feature. This is similar to how People of Color do undocumented shopping – when you are done shopping you just walk out of the store. However, in this wypipo version, they have your credit card on file and there are cameras watching and AI that is supposed to figure out what you put in your cart (and what you put back) and they actually charge you for what you walk out with.

    • Replies: @epebble
    @Jack D

    there are cameras watching and AI that is supposed to figure out

    Yesterday, at Walmart, I was surprised when I placed a bagful of onions (bulk, not pre-bagged) on the checkout station. It automatically recognized it as the right kind of onions and charged correct price. I was quite impressed - image recognition through a plastic bag that had quite a bit of print on it. It will be neat when you don't have to remember all the types of tomatoes and apples you buy.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

  42. Probably had a critical hair related emergency.

    “Urgency” is a White Supremacist “value” unless you are bleeding out at the block party from some vibrant shooting and such.

  43. @Franz
    @PiltdownMan


    He was pessimistic, and said that the problem will last another generation, at least
     
    It'll last forever. It's working for the squeaky wheels and it's been working for a long long time.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Art Deco

    Well a certain amount of sand in the gears can be tolerated for a while but eventually the machine will grind to a halt from the damage that is being caused.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Jack D

    Nope. Brazil, Venezuela, Peru, Zimbabwe, Egypt, Lebanon, Bangladesh ... all these crap places can plod along forever.

    The US's future non-white majority has already been born and will be just fine with neo-America's Third World level of functioning because they'll have never known different.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

  44. @Jack D
    @epebble

    Amazon is a step ahead. Very soon they are going to open an "Amazon Fresh" store near where I live with a "Just Walk Out" feature. This is similar to how People of Color do undocumented shopping - when you are done shopping you just walk out of the store. However, in this wypipo version, they have your credit card on file and there are cameras watching and AI that is supposed to figure out what you put in your cart (and what you put back) and they actually charge you for what you walk out with.

    Replies: @epebble

    there are cameras watching and AI that is supposed to figure out

    Yesterday, at Walmart, I was surprised when I placed a bagful of onions (bulk, not pre-bagged) on the checkout station. It automatically recognized it as the right kind of onions and charged correct price. I was quite impressed – image recognition through a plastic bag that had quite a bit of print on it. It will be neat when you don’t have to remember all the types of tomatoes and apples you buy.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @epebble


    It will be neat when you don’t have to remember all the types of tomatoes and apples you buy
     
    For a certain class of consumer, the current set up, where you get to type in your type of vegetable, is a feature, not a bug
  45. @PiltdownMan
    http://www.pjw.info/copwatch/PPR75/TAC_danielle_droppers.jpg

    Last week, I met an old friend now heads a medical center in the Midwest and is responsible for a few thousand employees. We got to talking about DIE and all that. He estimates that about ten percent of his time is now spent on "issues" and meetings that originate from the DIE people in his human resources department.

    He was pessimistic, and said that the problem will last another generation, at least, because there are no performance metrics for these people, and no CEO can reduce DIE headcount without committing instant career suicide.

    Replies: @newrouter, @Franz, @SunBakedSuburb, @AndrewR

    “the problem will last another generation”

    DIE + ESG = probably three generations

  46. @EddieSpaghetti
    Mr. Soave further noted that "[urgency is a white supremacy value] is a great defense if you ever get in trouble for slacking off at work."

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Here’s a brown poofter who got canned for not working. He said he was grieving over the Dobbs decision. His employer said get lost.

    https://nypost.com/2022/07/04/employee-who-refused-to-work-while-mourning-roe-v-wade-fired/

    More, please.

    • Thanks: EddieSpaghetti
  47. @Franz
    @PiltdownMan


    He was pessimistic, and said that the problem will last another generation, at least
     
    It'll last forever. It's working for the squeaky wheels and it's been working for a long long time.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Art Deco

    Disagree. A great deal of the DEI woke rubbish is another corporate fad, like Total Quality Management a generation ago. TQM wasn’t malicious, of course. Fads come, fads go.

    A fellow I correspond with who is recently retired from the GC’s office at a largish corporation was emphatic to all of us in the forum we frequent that the impetus for this at his company was not coming from the lawyers, who were not consulted. He said it was coming from HR and corporate communications, and adopted by senior executives for nonsense reasons. If his experience is representative, you do have to wonder what sort of traits for which competition in corporate bureaucracies select. (I’m recalling John DeLorean’s portrait of the GM executives with whom he was working ca. 1967).

    • Replies: @Eric Novak
    @Art Deco

    Bullshit. Griggs v. Duke Power (1971) guarantees that the current DIE iteration of AA enforcement will be around as long as that ruling remains law. That’s the fact.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke

    , @Franz
    @Art Deco

    Much as I like optimism, what I've been seeing lately has made me cautious.

    The Japanese bought a part-interest in a steel company in these parts and the Americans still there were only employed because of that. After some 20 years, the Japanese threw in the rag. The stuff being shoved out now is just plain nasty. I can't disagree. At least they have a Japan to go back to.

    Replies: @epebble

  48. @Jack D
    @Franz

    Well a certain amount of sand in the gears can be tolerated for a while but eventually the machine will grind to a halt from the damage that is being caused.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    Nope. Brazil, Venezuela, Peru, Zimbabwe, Egypt, Lebanon, Bangladesh … all these crap places can plod along forever.

    The US’s future non-white majority has already been born and will be just fine with neo-America’s Third World level of functioning because they’ll have never known different.

    • Agree: Corn
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Nope. Brazil, Venezuela, Peru, Zimbabwe, Egypt, Lebanon, Bangladesh … all these crap places can plod along forever.

    Egypt, Brazil, and Peru all have a life expectancy at birth between 72 and 77 years. Illiteracy in Brazil and Peru is characteristic of < 7% of the population over the age of 15. In Egypt it is much more common at about 27%. However, illiteracy among the late adolescent and young adult population in Egypt has fallen to about 8% (while it is less than 2% in these other countries). Real income per capita for the broad mass of the population in these places is similar to that of the U.S. immediately before and after the Depression. Brazil for a century or more and Egypt for 50 years or more have consistently improved their economic position in increments vis a vis the United States. These are lagging countries, not failing countries. The most disagreeable thing about them is the quantum of street crime in Brazil (and, to a lesser degree, Peru), as well as the shabby civil administration).

    Bangladesh is a great deal poorer than these other places, much less western countries. OTOH, their economy has been quite dynamic. Per capita product has quadrupled since 1990 and they've managed to establish basic literacy for 75% of the population and to push life expectancy at birth north of 70.


    The US’s future non-white majority has already been born

    Attributing Lebanon's problems to a 'non-white' majority is the strangest assessment I could imagine. As for the United States, the initiative and the gatekeeping for just about every disagreeable phenomenon rests with professional class whites.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @J.Ross, @Anonymous, @Mr Hennessy

    , @Loyalty Over IQ Worship
    @The Anti-Gnostic


    will be just fine with neo-America’s Third World level of functioning because they’ll have never known different.
     
    Yes. People get used to misery over time.

    Look what happened to India, which once had a truly vibrant Indo-European culture, over 2,000 years ago. But that core group got mixed and outnumbered over centuries and it led to millennia of stagnant misery. People got used to defecating in the same water they drank from. They walked by starving children covered in flies without a second thought because they had to.
  49. @Loyalty Over IQ Worship
    @AnotherDad


    And where the hell are the Republicans yelling “bullshit” on the most obvious minoritarian bullshit?
     
    Can anyone explain the value of this "minoritarian" complaint?

    Anyway, Whites will be a minority soon. Already are under the age of five.

    Replies: @Dchjk

    They also believe in pure democracy,majority rule, in the right circumstances.

  50. @Gordo
    @AceDeuce

    Singapore was built by the British and is now ruled by Han Chinese.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    Yeah, I know. I’ve spent some time there.

    Upon reflection, it wasn’t an especially good response on my part to the OP.

  51. ‘…Oregon’s state health agency—she delayed a community meeting and then justified this on grounds that “urgency is a white supremacy value.”…

    The irony is that Oregon is still 86% white — and only 2% black.

    So what if urgency is ‘a white supremacy value’? Oregon is a white state. Respect our values.

    If I go to Japan, I don’t litter. In Oregon, respect those white supremacist values.

  52. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Jack D

    Nope. Brazil, Venezuela, Peru, Zimbabwe, Egypt, Lebanon, Bangladesh ... all these crap places can plod along forever.

    The US's future non-white majority has already been born and will be just fine with neo-America's Third World level of functioning because they'll have never known different.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    Nope. Brazil, Venezuela, Peru, Zimbabwe, Egypt, Lebanon, Bangladesh … all these crap places can plod along forever.

    Egypt, Brazil, and Peru all have a life expectancy at birth between 72 and 77 years. Illiteracy in Brazil and Peru is characteristic of < 7% of the population over the age of 15. In Egypt it is much more common at about 27%. However, illiteracy among the late adolescent and young adult population in Egypt has fallen to about 8% (while it is less than 2% in these other countries). Real income per capita for the broad mass of the population in these places is similar to that of the U.S. immediately before and after the Depression. Brazil for a century or more and Egypt for 50 years or more have consistently improved their economic position in increments vis a vis the United States. These are lagging countries, not failing countries. The most disagreeable thing about them is the quantum of street crime in Brazil (and, to a lesser degree, Peru), as well as the shabby civil administration).

    Bangladesh is a great deal poorer than these other places, much less western countries. OTOH, their economy has been quite dynamic. Per capita product has quadrupled since 1990 and they've managed to establish basic literacy for 75% of the population and to push life expectancy at birth north of 70.

    The US’s future non-white majority has already been born

    Attributing Lebanon’s problems to a ‘non-white’ majority is the strangest assessment I could imagine. As for the United States, the initiative and the gatekeeping for just about every disagreeable phenomenon rests with professional class whites.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Art Deco

    The whole globe votes with its feet for majority-white countries, just like homebuyers vote with their wallets for majority-white neighbors. Majority non-white America will not be a pleasant, "dynamic" place. Can you even name a single majority non-white neighborhood where you'd be willing to raise a family?

    Replies: @Jack D, @epebble

    , @J.Ross
    @Art Deco

    Non-white populations can be thought of as purely non-white (low trust) or as para-white (capable of living to developed standards), and in Lebanon you had success with non-white but para-white Christians in country, decline when they felt forced to flee to Michigan, and collapse now.

    , @Anonymous
    @Art Deco

    Lebanon reminds me of that apocryphal “wogs begin at Calais” piece of HBD analysis. Under the right conditions white people can simulate Haiti. And anyway people in the M.E. have a far better diet than Americans’. A lot of minor things go into not being Lebanon.

    , @Mr Hennessy
    @Art Deco

    How much does the success of these “lagging but not failing” countries depend upon the existence of other societies which are more vigorous (by conventional economic metrics at least)? Would those societies continue to progress on their own with regard to life expectancy, literacy, etc., without a “Global North” to provide them with technology/services/infrastructure/cultural trends they may not have developed if left to their own devices, or would they eventually turn into something bearing a closer resemblance to most of the human experience?

    Replies: @Mr Hennessy

  53. @Art Deco
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Nope. Brazil, Venezuela, Peru, Zimbabwe, Egypt, Lebanon, Bangladesh … all these crap places can plod along forever.

    Egypt, Brazil, and Peru all have a life expectancy at birth between 72 and 77 years. Illiteracy in Brazil and Peru is characteristic of < 7% of the population over the age of 15. In Egypt it is much more common at about 27%. However, illiteracy among the late adolescent and young adult population in Egypt has fallen to about 8% (while it is less than 2% in these other countries). Real income per capita for the broad mass of the population in these places is similar to that of the U.S. immediately before and after the Depression. Brazil for a century or more and Egypt for 50 years or more have consistently improved their economic position in increments vis a vis the United States. These are lagging countries, not failing countries. The most disagreeable thing about them is the quantum of street crime in Brazil (and, to a lesser degree, Peru), as well as the shabby civil administration).

    Bangladesh is a great deal poorer than these other places, much less western countries. OTOH, their economy has been quite dynamic. Per capita product has quadrupled since 1990 and they've managed to establish basic literacy for 75% of the population and to push life expectancy at birth north of 70.


    The US’s future non-white majority has already been born

    Attributing Lebanon's problems to a 'non-white' majority is the strangest assessment I could imagine. As for the United States, the initiative and the gatekeeping for just about every disagreeable phenomenon rests with professional class whites.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @J.Ross, @Anonymous, @Mr Hennessy

    The whole globe votes with its feet for majority-white countries, just like homebuyers vote with their wallets for majority-white neighbors. Majority non-white America will not be a pleasant, “dynamic” place. Can you even name a single majority non-white neighborhood where you’d be willing to raise a family?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Can you even name a single majority non-white neighborhood where you’d be willing to raise a family?

    Sure - here are 3 majority Asian American cities. I'd raise a family in any one of them.

    #1. Honolulu City, HI. 230,008 Asians, or 68.2% of the city's population.
    #2. Daly City, CA. 59,056 Asians, or 58.4% of the city's population.
    #3. Fremont, CA. 116,679 Asians, or 54.5% of the city's population.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Bernard, @Thea, @Farenheit

    , @epebble
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    I think Art Deco is hinting Past Performance Is Not Indicative of Future Results. That is a reasonable statement. I think one cannot be too sure of what the future holds for U.S. nor can write it off as a future Brazil. Plenty of very White nations like Argentina and Russia (and Eastern Europe generally) have fared quite poorly while many Asian countries have been doing well.

  54. @Art Deco
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Nope. Brazil, Venezuela, Peru, Zimbabwe, Egypt, Lebanon, Bangladesh … all these crap places can plod along forever.

    Egypt, Brazil, and Peru all have a life expectancy at birth between 72 and 77 years. Illiteracy in Brazil and Peru is characteristic of < 7% of the population over the age of 15. In Egypt it is much more common at about 27%. However, illiteracy among the late adolescent and young adult population in Egypt has fallen to about 8% (while it is less than 2% in these other countries). Real income per capita for the broad mass of the population in these places is similar to that of the U.S. immediately before and after the Depression. Brazil for a century or more and Egypt for 50 years or more have consistently improved their economic position in increments vis a vis the United States. These are lagging countries, not failing countries. The most disagreeable thing about them is the quantum of street crime in Brazil (and, to a lesser degree, Peru), as well as the shabby civil administration).

    Bangladesh is a great deal poorer than these other places, much less western countries. OTOH, their economy has been quite dynamic. Per capita product has quadrupled since 1990 and they've managed to establish basic literacy for 75% of the population and to push life expectancy at birth north of 70.


    The US’s future non-white majority has already been born

    Attributing Lebanon's problems to a 'non-white' majority is the strangest assessment I could imagine. As for the United States, the initiative and the gatekeeping for just about every disagreeable phenomenon rests with professional class whites.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @J.Ross, @Anonymous, @Mr Hennessy

    Non-white populations can be thought of as purely non-white (low trust) or as para-white (capable of living to developed standards), and in Lebanon you had success with non-white but para-white Christians in country, decline when they felt forced to flee to Michigan, and collapse now.

  55. Professor Amy Wax of UPenn School of Law said it best — and stirred the pot with her notions of ‘bourgeois culture’ … and bobbling leftist heads have continued to explode ever since … and God bless her for that …

    “Too few Americans are qualified for the jobs available. Male working-age labor-force participation is at Depression-era lows. Opioid abuse is widespread. Homicidal violence plagues inner cities. Almost half of all children are born out of wedlock, and even more are raised by single mothers. Many college students lack basic skills, and high school students rank below those from two dozen other countries.

    “The causes of these phenomena are multiple and complex, but implicated in these and other maladies is the breakdown of the country’s bourgeois culture.

    “That culture laid out the script we all were supposed to follow: Get married before you have children and strive to stay married for their sake. Get the education you need for gainful employment, work hard, and avoid idleness. Go the extra mile for your employer or client. Be a patriot, ready to serve the country. Be neighborly, civic-minded, and charitable. Avoid coarse language in public. Be respectful of authority. Eschew substance abuse and crime.”

    Such simple truths … such a brave woman …

    https://www.inquirer.com/philly/opinion/commentary/paying-the-price-for-breakdown-of-the-countrys-bourgeois-culture-20170809.html

  56. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Art Deco

    The whole globe votes with its feet for majority-white countries, just like homebuyers vote with their wallets for majority-white neighbors. Majority non-white America will not be a pleasant, "dynamic" place. Can you even name a single majority non-white neighborhood where you'd be willing to raise a family?

    Replies: @Jack D, @epebble

    Can you even name a single majority non-white neighborhood where you’d be willing to raise a family?

    Sure – here are 3 majority Asian American cities. I’d raise a family in any one of them.

    #1. Honolulu City, HI. 230,008 Asians, or 68.2% of the city’s population.
    #2. Daly City, CA. 59,056 Asians, or 58.4% of the city’s population.
    #3. Fremont, CA. 116,679 Asians, or 54.5% of the city’s population.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Jack D

    LOL. OK you got me: 103 average IQ East Asians. Very predictable response. Yes, I would have no problem living in a neighborhood of South Koreans and Japanese either. MENA/SSA/Sub-Con Asian/Meso-American, not so much.

    But you know, they're still not my people.

    Replies: @Dani

    , @Bernard
    @Jack D


    Sure – here are 3 majority Asian American cities. I’d raise a family in any one of them.

    #1. Honolulu City, HI. 230,008 Asians, or 68.2% of the city’s population.
    #2. Daly City, CA. 59,056 Asians, or 58.4% of the city’s population.
    #3. Fremont, CA. 116,679 Asians, or 54.5% of the city’s population.
     
    Jack, From the description you’ve given of your current whereabouts, I promise you wouldn’t live in Fremont.

    Daly City, sure. Honolulu, in the right neighborhood, definitely.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    , @Thea
    @Jack D

    Honolulu? Lol
    Native Hawaiians hate haoles with burning white-hot undisguised passion.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Reg Cæsar

    , @Farenheit
    @Jack D

    Fremont's taking a nose dive pretty fast, and pretty deep..

    This happened a 1000 feet from the house Farenheit built..

    https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2022/04/04/union-city-two-men-arrested-as-encampment-homicide-suspects/

    Homeless camp.....check
    Rape.....................check
    hammer killing......check
    body burning..........check

    Fremont is a city I advised all three of my sons to be gone from ASAP.

  57. @Jack D
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Can you even name a single majority non-white neighborhood where you’d be willing to raise a family?

    Sure - here are 3 majority Asian American cities. I'd raise a family in any one of them.

    #1. Honolulu City, HI. 230,008 Asians, or 68.2% of the city's population.
    #2. Daly City, CA. 59,056 Asians, or 58.4% of the city's population.
    #3. Fremont, CA. 116,679 Asians, or 54.5% of the city's population.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Bernard, @Thea, @Farenheit

    LOL. OK you got me: 103 average IQ East Asians. Very predictable response. Yes, I would have no problem living in a neighborhood of South Koreans and Japanese either. MENA/SSA/Sub-Con Asian/Meso-American, not so much.

    But you know, they’re still not my people.

    • Replies: @Dani
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    You should have left Asians out of the non-White stipulation. Honestly, I had assumed it was a given.

  58. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Art Deco

    The whole globe votes with its feet for majority-white countries, just like homebuyers vote with their wallets for majority-white neighbors. Majority non-white America will not be a pleasant, "dynamic" place. Can you even name a single majority non-white neighborhood where you'd be willing to raise a family?

    Replies: @Jack D, @epebble

    I think Art Deco is hinting Past Performance Is Not Indicative of Future Results. That is a reasonable statement. I think one cannot be too sure of what the future holds for U.S. nor can write it off as a future Brazil. Plenty of very White nations like Argentina and Russia (and Eastern Europe generally) have fared quite poorly while many Asian countries have been doing well.

  59. Anonymous[272] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Nope. Brazil, Venezuela, Peru, Zimbabwe, Egypt, Lebanon, Bangladesh … all these crap places can plod along forever.

    Egypt, Brazil, and Peru all have a life expectancy at birth between 72 and 77 years. Illiteracy in Brazil and Peru is characteristic of < 7% of the population over the age of 15. In Egypt it is much more common at about 27%. However, illiteracy among the late adolescent and young adult population in Egypt has fallen to about 8% (while it is less than 2% in these other countries). Real income per capita for the broad mass of the population in these places is similar to that of the U.S. immediately before and after the Depression. Brazil for a century or more and Egypt for 50 years or more have consistently improved their economic position in increments vis a vis the United States. These are lagging countries, not failing countries. The most disagreeable thing about them is the quantum of street crime in Brazil (and, to a lesser degree, Peru), as well as the shabby civil administration).

    Bangladesh is a great deal poorer than these other places, much less western countries. OTOH, their economy has been quite dynamic. Per capita product has quadrupled since 1990 and they've managed to establish basic literacy for 75% of the population and to push life expectancy at birth north of 70.


    The US’s future non-white majority has already been born

    Attributing Lebanon's problems to a 'non-white' majority is the strangest assessment I could imagine. As for the United States, the initiative and the gatekeeping for just about every disagreeable phenomenon rests with professional class whites.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @J.Ross, @Anonymous, @Mr Hennessy

    Lebanon reminds me of that apocryphal “wogs begin at Calais” piece of HBD analysis. Under the right conditions white people can simulate Haiti. And anyway people in the M.E. have a far better diet than Americans’. A lot of minor things go into not being Lebanon.

  60. @Art Deco
    @Franz

    Disagree. A great deal of the DEI woke rubbish is another corporate fad, like Total Quality Management a generation ago. TQM wasn't malicious, of course. Fads come, fads go.

    A fellow I correspond with who is recently retired from the GC's office at a largish corporation was emphatic to all of us in the forum we frequent that the impetus for this at his company was not coming from the lawyers, who were not consulted. He said it was coming from HR and corporate communications, and adopted by senior executives for nonsense reasons. If his experience is representative, you do have to wonder what sort of traits for which competition in corporate bureaucracies select. (I'm recalling John DeLorean's portrait of the GM executives with whom he was working ca. 1967).

    Replies: @Eric Novak, @Franz

    Bullshit. Griggs v. Duke Power (1971) guarantees that the current DIE iteration of AA enforcement will be around as long as that ruling remains law. That’s the fact.

    • Thanks: Franz
    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    @Eric Novak


    Bullshit. Griggs v. Duke Power (1971) guarantees that the current DIE iteration of AA enforcement will be around as long as that ruling remains law. That’s the fact.
     
    The current Supreme Court has been slaughtering liberal sacred cows left and right. Maybe Griggs v. Duke Power will come up again. Hey, you never know.
  61. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Jack D

    Nope. Brazil, Venezuela, Peru, Zimbabwe, Egypt, Lebanon, Bangladesh ... all these crap places can plod along forever.

    The US's future non-white majority has already been born and will be just fine with neo-America's Third World level of functioning because they'll have never known different.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    will be just fine with neo-America’s Third World level of functioning because they’ll have never known different.

    Yes. People get used to misery over time.

    Look what happened to India, which once had a truly vibrant Indo-European culture, over 2,000 years ago. But that core group got mixed and outnumbered over centuries and it led to millennia of stagnant misery. People got used to defecating in the same water they drank from. They walked by starving children covered in flies without a second thought because they had to.

  62. @Art Deco
    @Franz

    Disagree. A great deal of the DEI woke rubbish is another corporate fad, like Total Quality Management a generation ago. TQM wasn't malicious, of course. Fads come, fads go.

    A fellow I correspond with who is recently retired from the GC's office at a largish corporation was emphatic to all of us in the forum we frequent that the impetus for this at his company was not coming from the lawyers, who were not consulted. He said it was coming from HR and corporate communications, and adopted by senior executives for nonsense reasons. If his experience is representative, you do have to wonder what sort of traits for which competition in corporate bureaucracies select. (I'm recalling John DeLorean's portrait of the GM executives with whom he was working ca. 1967).

    Replies: @Eric Novak, @Franz

    Much as I like optimism, what I’ve been seeing lately has made me cautious.

    The Japanese bought a part-interest in a steel company in these parts and the Americans still there were only employed because of that. After some 20 years, the Japanese threw in the rag. The stuff being shoved out now is just plain nasty. I can’t disagree. At least they have a Japan to go back to.

    • Replies: @epebble
    @Franz

    The travails of steel industry are many and not due to any defect in American workers. Main cause is stiff competition from China that has excess capacity and low cost. Just recently, ArcelorMittal, an European multinational, sold their entire U.S. operations for only $1.4 Billion. A no-name social media company will probably have many times that in capitalization. Tesla probably rises and falls by that amount on an hourly basis.

  63. @Jack D
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Can you even name a single majority non-white neighborhood where you’d be willing to raise a family?

    Sure - here are 3 majority Asian American cities. I'd raise a family in any one of them.

    #1. Honolulu City, HI. 230,008 Asians, or 68.2% of the city's population.
    #2. Daly City, CA. 59,056 Asians, or 58.4% of the city's population.
    #3. Fremont, CA. 116,679 Asians, or 54.5% of the city's population.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Bernard, @Thea, @Farenheit

    Sure – here are 3 majority Asian American cities. I’d raise a family in any one of them.

    #1. Honolulu City, HI. 230,008 Asians, or 68.2% of the city’s population.
    #2. Daly City, CA. 59,056 Asians, or 58.4% of the city’s population.
    #3. Fremont, CA. 116,679 Asians, or 54.5% of the city’s population.

    Jack, From the description you’ve given of your current whereabouts, I promise you wouldn’t live in Fremont.

    Daly City, sure. Honolulu, in the right neighborhood, definitely.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Bernard

    "Sure – here are 3 majority Asian American cities. I’d raise a family in any one of them."

    Oh, knock it off with the pilpul, it's so tiresome. First of all, you know he meant NAMs, not Asians.

    Second of all, even if Asians are well-behaved, so what? Are they citizens, or colonists? Are Asian-majority cities regular American cities, or beach-heads? Truth is, we don't know.

    For example, you'd gladly raise a family in an Asian-majority city. Would you gladly give up all your children's and grandchildren's college slots to Asians? Would you gladly give up all high-paying jobs to Asians? Would you gladly send your kids to the all-black schools, because majority Asians snapped up all the spots in the "good" schools?

    These are serious questions, not your cutesy evasive nonsense.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Achmed E. Newman, @Jack D

  64. @Bernard
    @Jack D


    Sure – here are 3 majority Asian American cities. I’d raise a family in any one of them.

    #1. Honolulu City, HI. 230,008 Asians, or 68.2% of the city’s population.
    #2. Daly City, CA. 59,056 Asians, or 58.4% of the city’s population.
    #3. Fremont, CA. 116,679 Asians, or 54.5% of the city’s population.
     
    Jack, From the description you’ve given of your current whereabouts, I promise you wouldn’t live in Fremont.

    Daly City, sure. Honolulu, in the right neighborhood, definitely.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    “Sure – here are 3 majority Asian American cities. I’d raise a family in any one of them.”

    Oh, knock it off with the pilpul, it’s so tiresome. First of all, you know he meant NAMs, not Asians.

    Second of all, even if Asians are well-behaved, so what? Are they citizens, or colonists? Are Asian-majority cities regular American cities, or beach-heads? Truth is, we don’t know.

    For example, you’d gladly raise a family in an Asian-majority city. Would you gladly give up all your children’s and grandchildren’s college slots to Asians? Would you gladly give up all high-paying jobs to Asians? Would you gladly send your kids to the all-black schools, because majority Asians snapped up all the spots in the “good” schools?

    These are serious questions, not your cutesy evasive nonsense.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Yeah, I love this little song and dance we always go thru with some folks: "Well of course I'd live around non-whites! Who wouldn't want Yo-Yo Ma for a neighbor?"

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Agreed, and with Anti-Gnostic, but you meant to reply to Jack. D here, not Bernard.

    , @Jack D
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Don't put words in his mouth. He didn't say NAMs he said non-whites. Asian-Americans are Americans like all other Americans except that their eyes are little slanty. I wouldn't "give up" anything to them but I am glad to work with them and compete with them just like any other Americans. They are the only ones keeping white people on their game, intellectually. Without them, white kids would be slacking off and playing video games even more than they already are.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

  65. @Franz
    @Art Deco

    Much as I like optimism, what I've been seeing lately has made me cautious.

    The Japanese bought a part-interest in a steel company in these parts and the Americans still there were only employed because of that. After some 20 years, the Japanese threw in the rag. The stuff being shoved out now is just plain nasty. I can't disagree. At least they have a Japan to go back to.

    Replies: @epebble

    The travails of steel industry are many and not due to any defect in American workers. Main cause is stiff competition from China that has excess capacity and low cost. Just recently, ArcelorMittal, an European multinational, sold their entire U.S. operations for only \$1.4 Billion. A no-name social media company will probably have many times that in capitalization. Tesla probably rises and falls by that amount on an hourly basis.

    • Agree: Franz
  66. @Anonymous
    Why does this woman still have a job?

    https://youtu.be/KJLEGHINRMc

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @bomag

    Could have been worse.

  67. @Jack D
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Can you even name a single majority non-white neighborhood where you’d be willing to raise a family?

    Sure - here are 3 majority Asian American cities. I'd raise a family in any one of them.

    #1. Honolulu City, HI. 230,008 Asians, or 68.2% of the city's population.
    #2. Daly City, CA. 59,056 Asians, or 58.4% of the city's population.
    #3. Fremont, CA. 116,679 Asians, or 54.5% of the city's population.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Bernard, @Thea, @Farenheit

    Honolulu? Lol
    Native Hawaiians hate haoles with burning white-hot undisguised passion.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Thea

    Why is that?

    Replies: @epebble

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Thea


    Native Hawaiians hate haoles with burning white-hot undisguised passion.
     
    "Native" Hawaiians are not Asians. They are not that plentiful, either. Not in Honolulu.
  68. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Bernard

    "Sure – here are 3 majority Asian American cities. I’d raise a family in any one of them."

    Oh, knock it off with the pilpul, it's so tiresome. First of all, you know he meant NAMs, not Asians.

    Second of all, even if Asians are well-behaved, so what? Are they citizens, or colonists? Are Asian-majority cities regular American cities, or beach-heads? Truth is, we don't know.

    For example, you'd gladly raise a family in an Asian-majority city. Would you gladly give up all your children's and grandchildren's college slots to Asians? Would you gladly give up all high-paying jobs to Asians? Would you gladly send your kids to the all-black schools, because majority Asians snapped up all the spots in the "good" schools?

    These are serious questions, not your cutesy evasive nonsense.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Achmed E. Newman, @Jack D

    Yeah, I love this little song and dance we always go thru with some folks: “Well of course I’d live around non-whites! Who wouldn’t want Yo-Yo Ma for a neighbor?”

  69. @Prester John
    @Pixo

    Blacks are their own worst enemy.

    Replies: @Hannah Katz, @AndrewR

    Jews are the blacks’ worst enemy, followed closely by blacks, with whites being an extremely distant third.

  70. @AnotherDad
    What we are witnessing is a final giant offensive in the long parasite putsch against legacy Americans.

    Republicans--conservative ones who at least claim to care about Americans--really need to stop pussy footing around and use the "P word"--"parasite".

    Specifically call out the contradictions. Moses--or Charleton Heston--saying "let my people go!" is about escaping oppression. (Let us leave and do our own thing.) The Golfocaust, whining about Harvard quotas, whining about "ethnic neighborhoods", demanding school busing are not. They are demands for better looting.

    If you really feel "the cops are oppressing us", you would welcome having your own neighborhoods with your own cops.

    And don't even get me started on the border. Biden is set to wave in another 2 million "people of color" to be oppressed by the white man. Huh? What's wrong with this picture?

    And where the hell are the Republicans yelling "bullshit" on the most obvious minoritarian bullshit? Call all these people what they are "parasites".

    Replies: @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia, @Achmed E. Newman, @Travis, @Loyalty Over IQ Worship, @War for Blair Mountain, @Jack D

    It starts with pointing out the Democratic Party Voting Bloc is effectively majority nonwhite…and highly racialized….and that this will never change…

    Tucker Carlson fantasizes that if everyone supports and worships the Constitution…America won’t be about race anymore…Of course this pure Libertarian Fantasy World…

    The starting point for honest discussion is this:The Democratic Party will always be about race because of the passage of the 1965 Immigration Reform Act…..And move on from here….This should be Tucker Carlson’s starting point…

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @War for Blair Mountain


    The Democratic Party will always be about race because of the passage of the 1965 Immigration Reform Act…..
     
    The Democratic Party will always be about race because of the passage of the three-fifths rule (which cheated honest white men of their representation), and the delay of immigration reform until January, 1808, and the party's betrayal of the Colonization Society, and replacing the Five Civilized Tribes with uncivilized-- uncivilizable-- aliens, and...

    They've been the party of diversity for over 200 years!


    Act…..

     

    And of inflation. Your ellipsis has six dots. (But no feathers.)
  71. Hey Steve, I’m thinking it’s kinda dangerous in Chiraq since that 4th of July mass shooting…

    https://worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video-c.php?v=wshhoa8216qh7C39zL73#comments-arena

  72. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Bernard

    "Sure – here are 3 majority Asian American cities. I’d raise a family in any one of them."

    Oh, knock it off with the pilpul, it's so tiresome. First of all, you know he meant NAMs, not Asians.

    Second of all, even if Asians are well-behaved, so what? Are they citizens, or colonists? Are Asian-majority cities regular American cities, or beach-heads? Truth is, we don't know.

    For example, you'd gladly raise a family in an Asian-majority city. Would you gladly give up all your children's and grandchildren's college slots to Asians? Would you gladly give up all high-paying jobs to Asians? Would you gladly send your kids to the all-black schools, because majority Asians snapped up all the spots in the "good" schools?

    These are serious questions, not your cutesy evasive nonsense.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Achmed E. Newman, @Jack D

    Agreed, and with Anti-Gnostic, but you meant to reply to Jack. D here, not Bernard.

  73. @Thea
    @Jack D

    Honolulu? Lol
    Native Hawaiians hate haoles with burning white-hot undisguised passion.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Reg Cæsar

    Why is that?

    • Replies: @epebble
    @Jim Don Bob


    103RD UNITED STATES CONGRESS
    1ST SESSION
    Joint Resolution
    To acknowledge the 100th anniversary of the January 17, 1893 overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii, and to offer an apology to Native Hawaiians on behalf of the United States for the overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii.


    https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Public_Law_103-150

     

  74. @Jack D
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Can you even name a single majority non-white neighborhood where you’d be willing to raise a family?

    Sure - here are 3 majority Asian American cities. I'd raise a family in any one of them.

    #1. Honolulu City, HI. 230,008 Asians, or 68.2% of the city's population.
    #2. Daly City, CA. 59,056 Asians, or 58.4% of the city's population.
    #3. Fremont, CA. 116,679 Asians, or 54.5% of the city's population.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Bernard, @Thea, @Farenheit

    Fremont’s taking a nose dive pretty fast, and pretty deep..

    This happened a 1000 feet from the house Farenheit built..

    https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2022/04/04/union-city-two-men-arrested-as-encampment-homicide-suspects/

    Homeless camp…..check
    Rape…………………check
    hammer killing……check
    body burning……….check

    Fremont is a city I advised all three of my sons to be gone from ASAP.

  75. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Bernard

    "Sure – here are 3 majority Asian American cities. I’d raise a family in any one of them."

    Oh, knock it off with the pilpul, it's so tiresome. First of all, you know he meant NAMs, not Asians.

    Second of all, even if Asians are well-behaved, so what? Are they citizens, or colonists? Are Asian-majority cities regular American cities, or beach-heads? Truth is, we don't know.

    For example, you'd gladly raise a family in an Asian-majority city. Would you gladly give up all your children's and grandchildren's college slots to Asians? Would you gladly give up all high-paying jobs to Asians? Would you gladly send your kids to the all-black schools, because majority Asians snapped up all the spots in the "good" schools?

    These are serious questions, not your cutesy evasive nonsense.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Achmed E. Newman, @Jack D

    Don’t put words in his mouth. He didn’t say NAMs he said non-whites. Asian-Americans are Americans like all other Americans except that their eyes are little slanty. I wouldn’t “give up” anything to them but I am glad to work with them and compete with them just like any other Americans. They are the only ones keeping white people on their game, intellectually. Without them, white kids would be slacking off and playing video games even more than they already are.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Jack D

    Yawn, more pilpul. Like Frank Zappa said, The Torture Never Stops.

    Here's an idea. I can think of about 30 million smart, competitive Chinese who would just love to come live in Israel. They'll convert, and learn to speak Hebrew, and study the Talmud and everything. And in a generation, there won't be a single Jew in a single Israeli university or executive suite. Shall I make the call? Competition keeps you on your game!

    Birth tourism. Asset-stashing in US real estate. Grandparents in Shanghai collecting US Social Security checks. The best cheating and system-gaming in the world. Israel could have it all!

    Are they fellow Americans, or fellow "Fellow Americans"?

    Replies: @Moses

    , @Loyalty Over IQ Worship
    @Jack D


    Asian-Americans are Americans like all other Americans
     
    That's not what they say.

    They are the only ones keeping white people on their game, intellectually. Without them, white kids would be slacking off and playing video games even more than they already are.
     
    Like back before Asians were here in numbers and all we did was conquer a continent and go to the moon.

    Replies: @Jack D

  76. @epebble
    @Jack D

    there are cameras watching and AI that is supposed to figure out

    Yesterday, at Walmart, I was surprised when I placed a bagful of onions (bulk, not pre-bagged) on the checkout station. It automatically recognized it as the right kind of onions and charged correct price. I was quite impressed - image recognition through a plastic bag that had quite a bit of print on it. It will be neat when you don't have to remember all the types of tomatoes and apples you buy.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    It will be neat when you don’t have to remember all the types of tomatoes and apples you buy

    For a certain class of consumer, the current set up, where you get to type in your type of vegetable, is a feature, not a bug

  77. @AnotherDad
    What we are witnessing is a final giant offensive in the long parasite putsch against legacy Americans.

    Republicans--conservative ones who at least claim to care about Americans--really need to stop pussy footing around and use the "P word"--"parasite".

    Specifically call out the contradictions. Moses--or Charleton Heston--saying "let my people go!" is about escaping oppression. (Let us leave and do our own thing.) The Golfocaust, whining about Harvard quotas, whining about "ethnic neighborhoods", demanding school busing are not. They are demands for better looting.

    If you really feel "the cops are oppressing us", you would welcome having your own neighborhoods with your own cops.

    And don't even get me started on the border. Biden is set to wave in another 2 million "people of color" to be oppressed by the white man. Huh? What's wrong with this picture?

    And where the hell are the Republicans yelling "bullshit" on the most obvious minoritarian bullshit? Call all these people what they are "parasites".

    Replies: @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia, @Achmed E. Newman, @Travis, @Loyalty Over IQ Worship, @War for Blair Mountain, @Jack D

    The Golfocaust, whining about Harvard quotas,

    You are purposely blurring two very different things. The “Golfocaust” was a petty thing, which was never of interest to most Jews let alone Americans in general. My father didn’t play golf – he shoveled chicken manure. The name itself is meant to minimize anti-Semitism in America. Exclusion from exclusive golf clubs was just the tip of the iceberg and never of any importance in and of itself.

    On the other hand, being virtually excluded from the upper ranks of American higher education was a very real and serious thing and it was not wrong or “whining” to struggle against this injustice. If you can’t see that, then you are the one with a problem.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    On the other hand, being virtually excluded from the upper ranks of American higher education was a very real and serious thing and it was not wrong or “whining” to struggle against this injustice. If you can’t see that, then you are the one with a problem.

    You weren't excluded. There was a period of about 30 years or so when Harvard University adopted a menu of contrivances to reduce the proportion of Jews in its entering classes (IIRC, from 22% to 10%). I believe several other Ivy League schools had similar practices in place at that time and subsequently. One exception was Columbia. There was also resistance to hiring Jews. Lionel Trilling was rather novel as a Jew in the English department at Columbia.

    The Ivy League currently accounts for < 2% of the enrollment in baccalaureate granting institutions. The proportion was larger a century ago, but you still had almost every kind of option available to you in higher education as it was at that time.

    I should note that hiring screens in higher education today and admissions screens to selective schools and academic graduate programs are an ongoing scandal which makes A. Lawrence Lowell's shizzy business look penny ante.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D


    On the other hand, being virtually excluded from the upper ranks of American higher education was a very real and serious thing and it was not wrong or “whining” to struggle against this injustice.
     
    Catholics were just as excluded, in practice if not explicitly. Their answer to the "injustice"? Boston College, Holy Cross, Fordham, Iona, St John's, Seton Hall, St Bonaventure, Villanova, La Salle...

    And that's just the top ones in Ivy country.

    As for "injustice", the Ivies (except Johnny-come-lately Cornell) were founded explicitly to advance the interests of the particular branch of Protestantism which established each of them.


    ...here are 3 majority Asian American cities. I’d raise a family in any one of them.

    #1. Honolulu City, HI.


     

    Technically, Honolulu is not a city. There are no cities in Hawaii. Honolulu is America's largest hamlet by a long stretch-- three times the population of the second, East L.A.

    Replies: @Jack D

  78. @Jim Don Bob
    @Thea

    Why is that?

    Replies: @epebble

    103RD UNITED STATES CONGRESS
    1ST SESSION
    Joint Resolution
    To acknowledge the 100th anniversary of the January 17, 1893 overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii, and to offer an apology to Native Hawaiians on behalf of the United States for the overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii.

    https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Public_Law_103-150

  79. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad


    The Golfocaust, whining about Harvard quotas,
     
    You are purposely blurring two very different things. The "Golfocaust" was a petty thing, which was never of interest to most Jews let alone Americans in general. My father didn't play golf - he shoveled chicken manure. The name itself is meant to minimize anti-Semitism in America. Exclusion from exclusive golf clubs was just the tip of the iceberg and never of any importance in and of itself.

    On the other hand, being virtually excluded from the upper ranks of American higher education was a very real and serious thing and it was not wrong or "whining" to struggle against this injustice. If you can't see that, then you are the one with a problem.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Reg Cæsar

    On the other hand, being virtually excluded from the upper ranks of American higher education was a very real and serious thing and it was not wrong or “whining” to struggle against this injustice. If you can’t see that, then you are the one with a problem.

    You weren’t excluded. There was a period of about 30 years or so when Harvard University adopted a menu of contrivances to reduce the proportion of Jews in its entering classes (IIRC, from 22% to 10%). I believe several other Ivy League schools had similar practices in place at that time and subsequently. One exception was Columbia. There was also resistance to hiring Jews. Lionel Trilling was rather novel as a Jew in the English department at Columbia.

    The Ivy League currently accounts for < 2% of the enrollment in baccalaureate granting institutions. The proportion was larger a century ago, but you still had almost every kind of option available to you in higher education as it was at that time.

    I should note that hiring screens in higher education today and admissions screens to selective schools and academic graduate programs are an ongoing scandal which makes A. Lawrence Lowell's shizzy business look penny ante.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Princeton was down to 3% just before WWII. At Yale Medical School, the Dean wrote " "Never admit more than five Jews, and take no blacks at all."

    Until WWII, Jews tolerated this "polite" type of anti-Semitism (In America, it was always done in a subtle way - it wasn't "get out of here you dirty Jew", it was , "I'm sorry Mr. Horowitz, the hotel has no room available for you - may I suggest Hotel Montpelier") - whatever it was, was a heck of lot better than the pogroms that their grandparents told them about and Jews were able to work around things - if Jonas Salk couldn't get into Yale Med, he could still go to med school at NYU) but after the horrors of the Holocaust were revealed, any form of race discrimination became intolerable.

    Whatever the %, any discrimination on account of race and religion was shameful and wrong and un-American and I am glad that is it is prohibited by law today. AD seems to want to bring back the good old days. Of course the pendulum has swung too far in the the other direction - what is right and proper is a color-blind system where people are judged by what they have accomplished rather than an accident of birth.

    If Jews have stayed loyal to the Democrat Party long after their economic status should have induced them to align themselves with Republicans, it is because of remembered slights like this that came from the country club Republican crowd and apparently there are still some in that crowd who still don't "get it", although I think that dinosaurs like AD are increasingly found in cemeteries.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @bomag, @Thea

  80. “Urgency Is a White Supremacy Value”

    I came for you, for you, I came for you
    But you did not need my urgency
    I came for you, for you, I came for you
    But your life was one long emergency

    –Bruce Springsteen, 50 (!) years ago

  81. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad


    The Golfocaust, whining about Harvard quotas,
     
    You are purposely blurring two very different things. The "Golfocaust" was a petty thing, which was never of interest to most Jews let alone Americans in general. My father didn't play golf - he shoveled chicken manure. The name itself is meant to minimize anti-Semitism in America. Exclusion from exclusive golf clubs was just the tip of the iceberg and never of any importance in and of itself.

    On the other hand, being virtually excluded from the upper ranks of American higher education was a very real and serious thing and it was not wrong or "whining" to struggle against this injustice. If you can't see that, then you are the one with a problem.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Reg Cæsar

    On the other hand, being virtually excluded from the upper ranks of American higher education was a very real and serious thing and it was not wrong or “whining” to struggle against this injustice.

    Catholics were just as excluded, in practice if not explicitly. Their answer to the “injustice”? Boston College, Holy Cross, Fordham, Iona, St John’s, Seton Hall, St Bonaventure, Villanova, La Salle…

    And that’s just the top ones in Ivy country.

    As for “injustice”, the Ivies (except Johnny-come-lately Cornell) were founded explicitly to advance the interests of the particular branch of Protestantism which established each of them.

    …here are 3 majority Asian American cities. I’d raise a family in any one of them.

    #1. Honolulu City, HI.

    Technically, Honolulu is not a city. There are no cities in Hawaii. Honolulu is America’s largest hamlet by a long stretch– three times the population of the second, East L.A.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar


    As for “injustice”, the Ivies (except Johnny-come-lately Cornell) were founded explicitly to advance the interests of the particular branch of Protestantism which established each of them.
     
    Penn was founded by Franklin on an non-sectarian basis. The Founding Fathers, Franklin included, really didn't seem to be religiously inclined for the most part, except in a vague agnostic sort of way.

    By the 20th century, the other Ivies had long moved past their divinity school origins and were non-sectarian. I don't think that any of them remain formally associated with a church. Harvard had a very effective screening system for admission involving taking the highest ranking applicants on their admission test. This system worked great until "too many" Jews started getting in.

    The Catholics had their own reasons for wanting separate institutions. Even Washington understood that in America, all (white) races and religions stood on an equal footing and that Protestants were not just "tolerating" Jews and Catholics - the country belonged to them just as much as it belonged to the Protestants.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  82. @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    On the other hand, being virtually excluded from the upper ranks of American higher education was a very real and serious thing and it was not wrong or “whining” to struggle against this injustice. If you can’t see that, then you are the one with a problem.

    You weren't excluded. There was a period of about 30 years or so when Harvard University adopted a menu of contrivances to reduce the proportion of Jews in its entering classes (IIRC, from 22% to 10%). I believe several other Ivy League schools had similar practices in place at that time and subsequently. One exception was Columbia. There was also resistance to hiring Jews. Lionel Trilling was rather novel as a Jew in the English department at Columbia.

    The Ivy League currently accounts for < 2% of the enrollment in baccalaureate granting institutions. The proportion was larger a century ago, but you still had almost every kind of option available to you in higher education as it was at that time.

    I should note that hiring screens in higher education today and admissions screens to selective schools and academic graduate programs are an ongoing scandal which makes A. Lawrence Lowell's shizzy business look penny ante.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Princeton was down to 3% just before WWII. At Yale Medical School, the Dean wrote ” “Never admit more than five Jews, and take no blacks at all.”

    Until WWII, Jews tolerated this “polite” type of anti-Semitism (In America, it was always done in a subtle way – it wasn’t “get out of here you dirty Jew”, it was , “I’m sorry Mr. Horowitz, the hotel has no room available for you – may I suggest Hotel Montpelier”) – whatever it was, was a heck of lot better than the pogroms that their grandparents told them about and Jews were able to work around things – if Jonas Salk couldn’t get into Yale Med, he could still go to med school at NYU) but after the horrors of the Holocaust were revealed, any form of race discrimination became intolerable.

    Whatever the %, any discrimination on account of race and religion was shameful and wrong and un-American and I am glad that is it is prohibited by law today. AD seems to want to bring back the good old days. Of course the pendulum has swung too far in the the other direction – what is right and proper is a color-blind system where people are judged by what they have accomplished rather than an accident of birth.

    If Jews have stayed loyal to the Democrat Party long after their economic status should have induced them to align themselves with Republicans, it is because of remembered slights like this that came from the country club Republican crowd and apparently there are still some in that crowd who still don’t “get it”, although I think that dinosaurs like AD are increasingly found in cemeteries.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    At Yale Medical School, the Dean wrote ” “Never admit more than five Jews, and take no blacks at all.”

    1. See Russell Baker on his upbringing in Baltimore, ca. 1939. The term 'black' was not used unless you were ready to mix it up. If a Yale dean said something along those lines, he almost certainly said 'colored', negro, or, if a Southerner, 'nigra'.

    2. Per the Digest of Education Statistics the mean size of a medical school graduating class in 1950 was 78. As research universities go, Yale in our time has a low census - about 1/2 that of the average research university. I wouldn't doubt the dean was unfair to Jewish applicants. At the same time, I'm going to wager that the proportion of Jews among the Yale Medical School's matriculants exceeded their share of New England's population.


    Whatever the %, any discrimination on account of race and religion was shameful and wrong and un-American and I am glad that is it is prohibited by law today. AD seems to want to bring back the good old days.

    (If you're referring to 'AnotherDad', who, IIRC, chuffers a great deal about 'minoritarianism', you should save that for your exchanges with him).

    3. As for me, I want institutions to be transparent in their dealings with their aspirant clientele and I want them to be consistent and impartial. I also want private institutions to operate without public subsidy, to be free to associate with whom they please, but required by law to make certain disclosures. As for public institutions, they should admit according to the results of a vector equation which contains high school grades, college boards, and achievement tests as arguments. (But make the same required disclosures). When hell freezes over, I may see what I'd like to see.


    If Jews have stayed loyal to the Democrat Party long after their economic status should have induced them to align themselves with Republicans, it is because of remembered slights like this that came from the country club Republican crowd

    I think Orthodox Jews tend to be conservative or to regard politicians as fungible. The rest of the Jewish population tend to be suckers for bad causes. It wouldn't speak well of the Jewish population to attribute that to nuisance problems three generations ago.

    It wouldn't surprise me to discover that if you carefully surveyed black and Jewish research subjects, you'd discover an abstract antagonism regulates their voting behavior, but that's a hypothesis. My hypothesis is that there was a flip in the cultural ecosystem among blacks ca. 1962 during which it came to be socially acceptable to express antagonism in public venues and during which the Republican Party got tagged as the-party-of-suburban-white-people in the minds of blacks. Voting blacks were a great deal more likely to vote Republican in 1960 than they were in 1976, even though the Republican Party was never constitutionally hostile to blacks, and, at the national level, was run by programmatic temporizers. Jews were a great deal more likely to vote Democratic in 2000 than they were in 1976; and you want to explore that, start with a hypothesis that a distaste for evangelicals is the source of that.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @bomag
    @Jack D


    ...dinosaurs like AD are increasingly found in cemeteries.
     
    LOL. Channeling your inner Oprah?

    I imagine there is an adage somewhere: "When all your enemies are dead, your problems remain." The groups backfilling AD's decline are better at playing the ethnic enclave game. The Sub-Cons, Cubans, Mexicans, etc. are not shy about loading things up in favor of their group. Meritocracy in action, I guess.
    , @Thea
    @Jack D

    Yale was created by Anglo Saxons Christians with a very Anglo-Protestant mission. It metastasized to current Lockean moral-relativity by leaving its initial purpose.

    It makes as much sense for you to feel entitled to Yale as it would for me to feel that way towards a beach-front condo in Tel Aviv.

  83. @War for Blair Mountain
    @AnotherDad

    It starts with pointing out the Democratic Party Voting Bloc is effectively majority nonwhite…and highly racialized….and that this will never change…

    Tucker Carlson fantasizes that if everyone supports and worships the Constitution…America won’t be about race anymore…Of course this pure Libertarian Fantasy World…

    The starting point for honest discussion is this:The Democratic Party will always be about race because of the passage of the 1965 Immigration Reform Act…..And move on from here….This should be Tucker Carlson’s starting point…

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The Democratic Party will always be about race because of the passage of the 1965 Immigration Reform Act…..

    The Democratic Party will always be about race because of the passage of the three-fifths rule (which cheated honest white men of their representation), and the delay of immigration reform until January, 1808, and the party’s betrayal of the Colonization Society, and replacing the Five Civilized Tribes with uncivilized– uncivilizable– aliens, and…

    They’ve been the party of diversity for over 200 years!

    Act…..

    And of inflation. Your ellipsis has six dots. (But no feathers.)

  84. @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D


    On the other hand, being virtually excluded from the upper ranks of American higher education was a very real and serious thing and it was not wrong or “whining” to struggle against this injustice.
     
    Catholics were just as excluded, in practice if not explicitly. Their answer to the "injustice"? Boston College, Holy Cross, Fordham, Iona, St John's, Seton Hall, St Bonaventure, Villanova, La Salle...

    And that's just the top ones in Ivy country.

    As for "injustice", the Ivies (except Johnny-come-lately Cornell) were founded explicitly to advance the interests of the particular branch of Protestantism which established each of them.


    ...here are 3 majority Asian American cities. I’d raise a family in any one of them.

    #1. Honolulu City, HI.


     

    Technically, Honolulu is not a city. There are no cities in Hawaii. Honolulu is America's largest hamlet by a long stretch-- three times the population of the second, East L.A.

    Replies: @Jack D

    As for “injustice”, the Ivies (except Johnny-come-lately Cornell) were founded explicitly to advance the interests of the particular branch of Protestantism which established each of them.

    Penn was founded by Franklin on an non-sectarian basis. The Founding Fathers, Franklin included, really didn’t seem to be religiously inclined for the most part, except in a vague agnostic sort of way.

    By the 20th century, the other Ivies had long moved past their divinity school origins and were non-sectarian. I don’t think that any of them remain formally associated with a church. Harvard had a very effective screening system for admission involving taking the highest ranking applicants on their admission test. This system worked great until “too many” Jews started getting in.

    The Catholics had their own reasons for wanting separate institutions. Even Washington understood that in America, all (white) races and religions stood on an equal footing and that Protestants were not just “tolerating” Jews and Catholics – the country belonged to them just as much as it belonged to the Protestants.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D



    to advance the interests of the particular branch of Protestantism which established each of them.

     

    Penn was founded by Franklin on an non-sectarian basis.
     
    Well, that advanced the interests of the Quakers, didn't it?

    Replies: @Jack D

  85. @Thea
    @Jack D

    Honolulu? Lol
    Native Hawaiians hate haoles with burning white-hot undisguised passion.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Reg Cæsar

    Native Hawaiians hate haoles with burning white-hot undisguised passion.

    “Native” Hawaiians are not Asians. They are not that plentiful, either. Not in Honolulu.

  86. @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar


    As for “injustice”, the Ivies (except Johnny-come-lately Cornell) were founded explicitly to advance the interests of the particular branch of Protestantism which established each of them.
     
    Penn was founded by Franklin on an non-sectarian basis. The Founding Fathers, Franklin included, really didn't seem to be religiously inclined for the most part, except in a vague agnostic sort of way.

    By the 20th century, the other Ivies had long moved past their divinity school origins and were non-sectarian. I don't think that any of them remain formally associated with a church. Harvard had a very effective screening system for admission involving taking the highest ranking applicants on their admission test. This system worked great until "too many" Jews started getting in.

    The Catholics had their own reasons for wanting separate institutions. Even Washington understood that in America, all (white) races and religions stood on an equal footing and that Protestants were not just "tolerating" Jews and Catholics - the country belonged to them just as much as it belonged to the Protestants.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    to advance the interests of the particular branch of Protestantism which established each of them.

    Penn was founded by Franklin on an non-sectarian basis.

    Well, that advanced the interests of the Quakers, didn’t it?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    The Quakers didn't run the show in Pennsylvania after the 1750's. As the independence movement grew, their "pacifist" refusal to fight and willingness to deal in a neutral way with both the revolutionaries and the British was seen as supporting the British and, in an increasingly polarized environment they were seen as traitors to the American cause. A couple of Quakers were actually executed for treason during the Revolution on very weak grounds:

    https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2015/05/28/documents-of-philly-area-quaker-merchant-hanged-in-1778-up-for-auction/

    In any case Franklin was not a Quaker.

    The building in which Penn was housed was built in a wave of (Protestant) religious fervor incited by a passing Billy Graham type evangelist minister named George Whitefield (religious revivalism has very deep roots in American). Normally Whitefield toured the colonies and preached in huge open air gatherings but 1740, a group of Philadelphians joined to erect a great preaching hall for him, the largest building in the city at the time - in effect America's first megachurch. But after Whitefield stopped coming around, the building sat disused until 1750 when the newly formed university took over the building (and its debts).

  87. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Princeton was down to 3% just before WWII. At Yale Medical School, the Dean wrote " "Never admit more than five Jews, and take no blacks at all."

    Until WWII, Jews tolerated this "polite" type of anti-Semitism (In America, it was always done in a subtle way - it wasn't "get out of here you dirty Jew", it was , "I'm sorry Mr. Horowitz, the hotel has no room available for you - may I suggest Hotel Montpelier") - whatever it was, was a heck of lot better than the pogroms that their grandparents told them about and Jews were able to work around things - if Jonas Salk couldn't get into Yale Med, he could still go to med school at NYU) but after the horrors of the Holocaust were revealed, any form of race discrimination became intolerable.

    Whatever the %, any discrimination on account of race and religion was shameful and wrong and un-American and I am glad that is it is prohibited by law today. AD seems to want to bring back the good old days. Of course the pendulum has swung too far in the the other direction - what is right and proper is a color-blind system where people are judged by what they have accomplished rather than an accident of birth.

    If Jews have stayed loyal to the Democrat Party long after their economic status should have induced them to align themselves with Republicans, it is because of remembered slights like this that came from the country club Republican crowd and apparently there are still some in that crowd who still don't "get it", although I think that dinosaurs like AD are increasingly found in cemeteries.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @bomag, @Thea

    At Yale Medical School, the Dean wrote ” “Never admit more than five Jews, and take no blacks at all.”

    1. See Russell Baker on his upbringing in Baltimore, ca. 1939. The term ‘black’ was not used unless you were ready to mix it up. If a Yale dean said something along those lines, he almost certainly said ‘colored’, negro, or, if a Southerner, ‘nigra’.

    2. Per the Digest of Education Statistics the mean size of a medical school graduating class in 1950 was 78. As research universities go, Yale in our time has a low census – about 1/2 that of the average research university. I wouldn’t doubt the dean was unfair to Jewish applicants. At the same time, I’m going to wager that the proportion of Jews among the Yale Medical School’s matriculants exceeded their share of New England’s population.

    Whatever the %, any discrimination on account of race and religion was shameful and wrong and un-American and I am glad that is it is prohibited by law today. AD seems to want to bring back the good old days.

    (If you’re referring to ‘AnotherDad’, who, IIRC, chuffers a great deal about ‘minoritarianism’, you should save that for your exchanges with him).

    3. As for me, I want institutions to be transparent in their dealings with their aspirant clientele and I want them to be consistent and impartial. I also want private institutions to operate without public subsidy, to be free to associate with whom they please, but required by law to make certain disclosures. As for public institutions, they should admit according to the results of a vector equation which contains high school grades, college boards, and achievement tests as arguments. (But make the same required disclosures). When hell freezes over, I may see what I’d like to see.

    If Jews have stayed loyal to the Democrat Party long after their economic status should have induced them to align themselves with Republicans, it is because of remembered slights like this that came from the country club Republican crowd

    I think Orthodox Jews tend to be conservative or to regard politicians as fungible. The rest of the Jewish population tend to be suckers for bad causes. It wouldn’t speak well of the Jewish population to attribute that to nuisance problems three generations ago.

    It wouldn’t surprise me to discover that if you carefully surveyed black and Jewish research subjects, you’d discover an abstract antagonism regulates their voting behavior, but that’s a hypothesis. My hypothesis is that there was a flip in the cultural ecosystem among blacks ca. 1962 during which it came to be socially acceptable to express antagonism in public venues and during which the Republican Party got tagged as the-party-of-suburban-white-people in the minds of blacks. Voting blacks were a great deal more likely to vote Republican in 1960 than they were in 1976, even though the Republican Party was never constitutionally hostile to blacks, and, at the national level, was run by programmatic temporizers. Jews were a great deal more likely to vote Democratic in 2000 than they were in 1976; and you want to explore that, start with a hypothesis that a distaste for evangelicals is the source of that.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_History_of_Yale_s_School_of_Medicine/XzYX_MduAG8C?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA107&printsec=frontcover

    This is a verbatim quote from the book (well almost - he did also say to take 2 Italian Catholics).

    According to the footnote, the source is:

    Winternitz to Angell, October 5, 1928, Yale University Library, Manuscripts and Archives, Records of the Office of the President, James R. Angell, YRG 2-A-14, RU 24, box 112, folder 1141.

    If you want to check, feel free to visit the archives and ask for that folder. If Burrow has falsified his quotes it would be an academic scandal and a feather in your cap to debunk him.

  88. @Jack D
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Don't put words in his mouth. He didn't say NAMs he said non-whites. Asian-Americans are Americans like all other Americans except that their eyes are little slanty. I wouldn't "give up" anything to them but I am glad to work with them and compete with them just like any other Americans. They are the only ones keeping white people on their game, intellectually. Without them, white kids would be slacking off and playing video games even more than they already are.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    Yawn, more pilpul. Like Frank Zappa said, The Torture Never Stops.

    Here’s an idea. I can think of about 30 million smart, competitive Chinese who would just love to come live in Israel. They’ll convert, and learn to speak Hebrew, and study the Talmud and everything. And in a generation, there won’t be a single Jew in a single Israeli university or executive suite. Shall I make the call? Competition keeps you on your game!

    Birth tourism. Asset-stashing in US real estate. Grandparents in Shanghai collecting US Social Security checks. The best cheating and system-gaming in the world. Israel could have it all!

    Are they fellow Americans, or fellow “Fellow Americans”?

    • Replies: @Moses
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Lol gud one.

    Jack knows letting 30 million Chinese into Israel would be bad for our people. He's loyal, that's for sure, and measures all by the only yardstick that matters.

  89. @Kylie
    "With all the money being poured into adding Diversity-Inclusion-Equity staffers since George Floyd’s demise, today’s teeming legions of DIE apparatchiks could do some real damage … if they weren’t so lazy.'

    People of that ilk don't have to be all gung ho and enterprising to do real damage. They just have to be.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    I happen to know that “Urgency” has long been one of the key buzzwords for DIE indoctrination camps. It sounds like someone made a pretty clever complaint against the mechanism. I am picturing a 1950’s-era TV robot chopping it’s arms up and down as sparks fly out of its head… “Does not compute… does not.. com. pute…”

  90. @PiltdownMan
    http://www.pjw.info/copwatch/PPR75/TAC_danielle_droppers.jpg

    Last week, I met an old friend now heads a medical center in the Midwest and is responsible for a few thousand employees. We got to talking about DIE and all that. He estimates that about ten percent of his time is now spent on "issues" and meetings that originate from the DIE people in his human resources department.

    He was pessimistic, and said that the problem will last another generation, at least, because there are no performance metrics for these people, and no CEO can reduce DIE headcount without committing instant career suicide.

    Replies: @newrouter, @Franz, @SunBakedSuburb, @AndrewR

    We still live in a time of comfort and abundance for the vast majority of Americans. When the rubber of collapse finally hits the road, useless eaters will find their sinecures greatly reduced.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  91. @Jack D
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Don't put words in his mouth. He didn't say NAMs he said non-whites. Asian-Americans are Americans like all other Americans except that their eyes are little slanty. I wouldn't "give up" anything to them but I am glad to work with them and compete with them just like any other Americans. They are the only ones keeping white people on their game, intellectually. Without them, white kids would be slacking off and playing video games even more than they already are.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    Asian-Americans are Americans like all other Americans

    That’s not what they say.

    They are the only ones keeping white people on their game, intellectually. Without them, white kids would be slacking off and playing video games even more than they already are.

    Like back before Asians were here in numbers and all we did was conquer a continent and go to the moon.

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    That was then and this is now. In the past, American produced Neil Armstrong and now it produces Robert Crimo. Did the Asians make white people decadent and lazy or did Asians step up to the plate when white people became decadent and lazy?

    Replies: @bomag, @Art Deco, @Anonymous, @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

  92. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Princeton was down to 3% just before WWII. At Yale Medical School, the Dean wrote " "Never admit more than five Jews, and take no blacks at all."

    Until WWII, Jews tolerated this "polite" type of anti-Semitism (In America, it was always done in a subtle way - it wasn't "get out of here you dirty Jew", it was , "I'm sorry Mr. Horowitz, the hotel has no room available for you - may I suggest Hotel Montpelier") - whatever it was, was a heck of lot better than the pogroms that their grandparents told them about and Jews were able to work around things - if Jonas Salk couldn't get into Yale Med, he could still go to med school at NYU) but after the horrors of the Holocaust were revealed, any form of race discrimination became intolerable.

    Whatever the %, any discrimination on account of race and religion was shameful and wrong and un-American and I am glad that is it is prohibited by law today. AD seems to want to bring back the good old days. Of course the pendulum has swung too far in the the other direction - what is right and proper is a color-blind system where people are judged by what they have accomplished rather than an accident of birth.

    If Jews have stayed loyal to the Democrat Party long after their economic status should have induced them to align themselves with Republicans, it is because of remembered slights like this that came from the country club Republican crowd and apparently there are still some in that crowd who still don't "get it", although I think that dinosaurs like AD are increasingly found in cemeteries.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @bomag, @Thea

    …dinosaurs like AD are increasingly found in cemeteries.

    LOL. Channeling your inner Oprah?

    I imagine there is an adage somewhere: “When all your enemies are dead, your problems remain.” The groups backfilling AD’s decline are better at playing the ethnic enclave game. The Sub-Cons, Cubans, Mexicans, etc. are not shy about loading things up in favor of their group. Meritocracy in action, I guess.

  93. @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D



    to advance the interests of the particular branch of Protestantism which established each of them.

     

    Penn was founded by Franklin on an non-sectarian basis.
     
    Well, that advanced the interests of the Quakers, didn't it?

    Replies: @Jack D

    The Quakers didn’t run the show in Pennsylvania after the 1750’s. As the independence movement grew, their “pacifist” refusal to fight and willingness to deal in a neutral way with both the revolutionaries and the British was seen as supporting the British and, in an increasingly polarized environment they were seen as traitors to the American cause. A couple of Quakers were actually executed for treason during the Revolution on very weak grounds:

    https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2015/05/28/documents-of-philly-area-quaker-merchant-hanged-in-1778-up-for-auction/

    In any case Franklin was not a Quaker.

    The building in which Penn was housed was built in a wave of (Protestant) religious fervor incited by a passing Billy Graham type evangelist minister named George Whitefield (religious revivalism has very deep roots in American). Normally Whitefield toured the colonies and preached in huge open air gatherings but 1740, a group of Philadelphians joined to erect a great preaching hall for him, the largest building in the city at the time – in effect America’s first megachurch. But after Whitefield stopped coming around, the building sat disused until 1750 when the newly formed university took over the building (and its debts).

  94. @Loyalty Over IQ Worship
    @Jack D


    Asian-Americans are Americans like all other Americans
     
    That's not what they say.

    They are the only ones keeping white people on their game, intellectually. Without them, white kids would be slacking off and playing video games even more than they already are.
     
    Like back before Asians were here in numbers and all we did was conquer a continent and go to the moon.

    Replies: @Jack D

    That was then and this is now. In the past, American produced Neil Armstrong and now it produces Robert Crimo. Did the Asians make white people decadent and lazy or did Asians step up to the plate when white people became decadent and lazy?

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Jack D

    Going by autobiographies I've read, there was decadence and laziness back in the day equal or greater than what we have now. The big accomplishments come from the one percent; maybe today they are all on Wall Street.

    I'm not sure how much to cheer on Asian accomplishment in the sciences. Is the delta between them and the next dumbest White much of a game changer? In some ways we're seeing a decline in everyday tech accomplishments: product shoddiness; supply chain suck; etc.

    , @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    That was then and this is now. In the past, American produced Neil Armstrong and now it produces Robert Crimo.


    Back then, America produced Albert Anastasia and Caryl Chessman. Then we had NASA and now we have SpaceX.

    , @Anonymous
    @Jack D


    Did the Asians make white people decadent and lazy or did Asians step up to the plate when white people became decadent and lazy?
     
    If white people were as bad as you describe them you do realize you wouldn’t be safe, right?

    It’s white people who recognize and enforce your rights, no one else. Not even the Asians do that, perhaps for genetic temperament reasons.

    , @Loyalty Over IQ Worship
    @Jack D


    That was then and this is now.
     
    Profound. Up there with "I'm rubber, you're glue, whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you."

    The basic genetics of White people haven't changed. If young White people are unmotivated due to a bleak future brought on by mass 3rd world immigration, well that's not surprising. And I hope they don't sacrifice themselves for "elites" who hate their guts.

  95. @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    At Yale Medical School, the Dean wrote ” “Never admit more than five Jews, and take no blacks at all.”

    1. See Russell Baker on his upbringing in Baltimore, ca. 1939. The term 'black' was not used unless you were ready to mix it up. If a Yale dean said something along those lines, he almost certainly said 'colored', negro, or, if a Southerner, 'nigra'.

    2. Per the Digest of Education Statistics the mean size of a medical school graduating class in 1950 was 78. As research universities go, Yale in our time has a low census - about 1/2 that of the average research university. I wouldn't doubt the dean was unfair to Jewish applicants. At the same time, I'm going to wager that the proportion of Jews among the Yale Medical School's matriculants exceeded their share of New England's population.


    Whatever the %, any discrimination on account of race and religion was shameful and wrong and un-American and I am glad that is it is prohibited by law today. AD seems to want to bring back the good old days.

    (If you're referring to 'AnotherDad', who, IIRC, chuffers a great deal about 'minoritarianism', you should save that for your exchanges with him).

    3. As for me, I want institutions to be transparent in their dealings with their aspirant clientele and I want them to be consistent and impartial. I also want private institutions to operate without public subsidy, to be free to associate with whom they please, but required by law to make certain disclosures. As for public institutions, they should admit according to the results of a vector equation which contains high school grades, college boards, and achievement tests as arguments. (But make the same required disclosures). When hell freezes over, I may see what I'd like to see.


    If Jews have stayed loyal to the Democrat Party long after their economic status should have induced them to align themselves with Republicans, it is because of remembered slights like this that came from the country club Republican crowd

    I think Orthodox Jews tend to be conservative or to regard politicians as fungible. The rest of the Jewish population tend to be suckers for bad causes. It wouldn't speak well of the Jewish population to attribute that to nuisance problems three generations ago.

    It wouldn't surprise me to discover that if you carefully surveyed black and Jewish research subjects, you'd discover an abstract antagonism regulates their voting behavior, but that's a hypothesis. My hypothesis is that there was a flip in the cultural ecosystem among blacks ca. 1962 during which it came to be socially acceptable to express antagonism in public venues and during which the Republican Party got tagged as the-party-of-suburban-white-people in the minds of blacks. Voting blacks were a great deal more likely to vote Republican in 1960 than they were in 1976, even though the Republican Party was never constitutionally hostile to blacks, and, at the national level, was run by programmatic temporizers. Jews were a great deal more likely to vote Democratic in 2000 than they were in 1976; and you want to explore that, start with a hypothesis that a distaste for evangelicals is the source of that.

    Replies: @Jack D

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_History_of_Yale_s_School_of_Medicine/XzYX_MduAG8C?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA107&printsec=frontcover

    This is a verbatim quote from the book (well almost – he did also say to take 2 Italian Catholics).

    According to the footnote, the source is:

    Winternitz to Angell, October 5, 1928, Yale University Library, Manuscripts and Archives, Records of the Office of the President, James R. Angell, YRG 2-A-14, RU 24, box 112, folder 1141.

    If you want to check, feel free to visit the archives and ask for that folder. If Burrow has falsified his quotes it would be an academic scandal and a feather in your cap to debunk him.

  96. @Jack D
    @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    That was then and this is now. In the past, American produced Neil Armstrong and now it produces Robert Crimo. Did the Asians make white people decadent and lazy or did Asians step up to the plate when white people became decadent and lazy?

    Replies: @bomag, @Art Deco, @Anonymous, @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    Going by autobiographies I’ve read, there was decadence and laziness back in the day equal or greater than what we have now. The big accomplishments come from the one percent; maybe today they are all on Wall Street.

    I’m not sure how much to cheer on Asian accomplishment in the sciences. Is the delta between them and the next dumbest White much of a game changer? In some ways we’re seeing a decline in everyday tech accomplishments: product shoddiness; supply chain suck; etc.

  97. @Jack D
    @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    That was then and this is now. In the past, American produced Neil Armstrong and now it produces Robert Crimo. Did the Asians make white people decadent and lazy or did Asians step up to the plate when white people became decadent and lazy?

    Replies: @bomag, @Art Deco, @Anonymous, @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    That was then and this is now. In the past, American produced Neil Armstrong and now it produces Robert Crimo.

    Back then, America produced Albert Anastasia and Caryl Chessman. Then we had NASA and now we have SpaceX.

  98. Anonymous[287] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    That was then and this is now. In the past, American produced Neil Armstrong and now it produces Robert Crimo. Did the Asians make white people decadent and lazy or did Asians step up to the plate when white people became decadent and lazy?

    Replies: @bomag, @Art Deco, @Anonymous, @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    Did the Asians make white people decadent and lazy or did Asians step up to the plate when white people became decadent and lazy?

    If white people were as bad as you describe them you do realize you wouldn’t be safe, right?

    It’s white people who recognize and enforce your rights, no one else. Not even the Asians do that, perhaps for genetic temperament reasons.

  99. @Eric Novak
    @Art Deco

    Bullshit. Griggs v. Duke Power (1971) guarantees that the current DIE iteration of AA enforcement will be around as long as that ruling remains law. That’s the fact.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke

    Bullshit. Griggs v. Duke Power (1971) guarantees that the current DIE iteration of AA enforcement will be around as long as that ruling remains law. That’s the fact.

    The current Supreme Court has been slaughtering liberal sacred cows left and right. Maybe Griggs v. Duke Power will come up again. Hey, you never know.

  100. @Jack D
    @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    That was then and this is now. In the past, American produced Neil Armstrong and now it produces Robert Crimo. Did the Asians make white people decadent and lazy or did Asians step up to the plate when white people became decadent and lazy?

    Replies: @bomag, @Art Deco, @Anonymous, @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    That was then and this is now.

    Profound. Up there with “I’m rubber, you’re glue, whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you.”

    The basic genetics of White people haven’t changed. If young White people are unmotivated due to a bleak future brought on by mass 3rd world immigration, well that’s not surprising. And I hope they don’t sacrifice themselves for “elites” who hate their guts.

  101. “Slow down,you’re movin’ too fast/ We got to make the mornin’ last…”
    Paul Simon,unpacking White Supremacy half a century ago!😉

  102. @Art Deco
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Nope. Brazil, Venezuela, Peru, Zimbabwe, Egypt, Lebanon, Bangladesh … all these crap places can plod along forever.

    Egypt, Brazil, and Peru all have a life expectancy at birth between 72 and 77 years. Illiteracy in Brazil and Peru is characteristic of < 7% of the population over the age of 15. In Egypt it is much more common at about 27%. However, illiteracy among the late adolescent and young adult population in Egypt has fallen to about 8% (while it is less than 2% in these other countries). Real income per capita for the broad mass of the population in these places is similar to that of the U.S. immediately before and after the Depression. Brazil for a century or more and Egypt for 50 years or more have consistently improved their economic position in increments vis a vis the United States. These are lagging countries, not failing countries. The most disagreeable thing about them is the quantum of street crime in Brazil (and, to a lesser degree, Peru), as well as the shabby civil administration).

    Bangladesh is a great deal poorer than these other places, much less western countries. OTOH, their economy has been quite dynamic. Per capita product has quadrupled since 1990 and they've managed to establish basic literacy for 75% of the population and to push life expectancy at birth north of 70.


    The US’s future non-white majority has already been born

    Attributing Lebanon's problems to a 'non-white' majority is the strangest assessment I could imagine. As for the United States, the initiative and the gatekeeping for just about every disagreeable phenomenon rests with professional class whites.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @J.Ross, @Anonymous, @Mr Hennessy

    How much does the success of these “lagging but not failing” countries depend upon the existence of other societies which are more vigorous (by conventional economic metrics at least)? Would those societies continue to progress on their own with regard to life expectancy, literacy, etc., without a “Global North” to provide them with technology/services/infrastructure/cultural trends they may not have developed if left to their own devices, or would they eventually turn into something bearing a closer resemblance to most of the human experience?

    • Replies: @Mr Hennessy
    @Mr Hennessy

    Above comment written with benefit of the doubt: a few millennia ago, the ancestors of today’s Dutch were huffing moose farts to get high. Now (with the help of the Phoenicians’ alphabet and countless other bennies from abroad) they’re pacesetters in being smugly rich and post-religious, while the Phoenicians’ descendants seem to have fallen asleep at the wheel in comparison. The question is really about the capacity to sustain beneficial societal evolution once the initial flame has been lit. Mileage on that may well vary across humanity.

  103. @Mr Hennessy
    @Art Deco

    How much does the success of these “lagging but not failing” countries depend upon the existence of other societies which are more vigorous (by conventional economic metrics at least)? Would those societies continue to progress on their own with regard to life expectancy, literacy, etc., without a “Global North” to provide them with technology/services/infrastructure/cultural trends they may not have developed if left to their own devices, or would they eventually turn into something bearing a closer resemblance to most of the human experience?

    Replies: @Mr Hennessy

    Above comment written with benefit of the doubt: a few millennia ago, the ancestors of today’s Dutch were huffing moose farts to get high. Now (with the help of the Phoenicians’ alphabet and countless other bennies from abroad) they’re pacesetters in being smugly rich and post-religious, while the Phoenicians’ descendants seem to have fallen asleep at the wheel in comparison. The question is really about the capacity to sustain beneficial societal evolution once the initial flame has been lit. Mileage on that may well vary across humanity.

  104. Dani says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    @Travis

    They aren't letting anyone off this easy, Travis. Plenty of Somalian refugees have been imported by nice compassionate church ladies to Lewiston and Portland, and do you think it will stop there? I've read from 6,000 to 12,000, but they don't operate at Western fertility rates. Those numbers sound like peanuts, but one has to look at the count of the children.

    They have already bragged "We aren't going anywhere!".

    Yeah, you'll be seeing them at Wal-Mart. Running is not the long-term solution.

    Replies: @duncsbaby, @Dani

    Yeah, that article about the best and worst attributes of the 50 states was from USA Today in 2018. I recall having read something within the last 2 years or so that came out of Maine. I can’t remember the name of the town, perhaps it was Lewiston, but if focused on a park somewhere in Maine where black refugees were creating a huge problem. I remember feeling very deflated in reading it because I thought Maine was safe. It became apparent to me from that time on that absolutely no zip code in all 50 states was safe from being diversified.
    Remember a few years back when New Hampshire received “negative” attention for being “too White” at what was 98% at that time? That was a few years ago and even THAT was shameless for the time.

  105. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Jack D

    LOL. OK you got me: 103 average IQ East Asians. Very predictable response. Yes, I would have no problem living in a neighborhood of South Koreans and Japanese either. MENA/SSA/Sub-Con Asian/Meso-American, not so much.

    But you know, they're still not my people.

    Replies: @Dani

    You should have left Asians out of the non-White stipulation. Honestly, I had assumed it was a given.

  106. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Princeton was down to 3% just before WWII. At Yale Medical School, the Dean wrote " "Never admit more than five Jews, and take no blacks at all."

    Until WWII, Jews tolerated this "polite" type of anti-Semitism (In America, it was always done in a subtle way - it wasn't "get out of here you dirty Jew", it was , "I'm sorry Mr. Horowitz, the hotel has no room available for you - may I suggest Hotel Montpelier") - whatever it was, was a heck of lot better than the pogroms that their grandparents told them about and Jews were able to work around things - if Jonas Salk couldn't get into Yale Med, he could still go to med school at NYU) but after the horrors of the Holocaust were revealed, any form of race discrimination became intolerable.

    Whatever the %, any discrimination on account of race and religion was shameful and wrong and un-American and I am glad that is it is prohibited by law today. AD seems to want to bring back the good old days. Of course the pendulum has swung too far in the the other direction - what is right and proper is a color-blind system where people are judged by what they have accomplished rather than an accident of birth.

    If Jews have stayed loyal to the Democrat Party long after their economic status should have induced them to align themselves with Republicans, it is because of remembered slights like this that came from the country club Republican crowd and apparently there are still some in that crowd who still don't "get it", although I think that dinosaurs like AD are increasingly found in cemeteries.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @bomag, @Thea

    Yale was created by Anglo Saxons Christians with a very Anglo-Protestant mission. It metastasized to current Lockean moral-relativity by leaving its initial purpose.

    It makes as much sense for you to feel entitled to Yale as it would for me to feel that way towards a beach-front condo in Tel Aviv.

  107. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Jack D

    Yawn, more pilpul. Like Frank Zappa said, The Torture Never Stops.

    Here's an idea. I can think of about 30 million smart, competitive Chinese who would just love to come live in Israel. They'll convert, and learn to speak Hebrew, and study the Talmud and everything. And in a generation, there won't be a single Jew in a single Israeli university or executive suite. Shall I make the call? Competition keeps you on your game!

    Birth tourism. Asset-stashing in US real estate. Grandparents in Shanghai collecting US Social Security checks. The best cheating and system-gaming in the world. Israel could have it all!

    Are they fellow Americans, or fellow "Fellow Americans"?

    Replies: @Moses

    Lol gud one.

    Jack knows letting 30 million Chinese into Israel would be bad for our people. He’s loyal, that’s for sure, and measures all by the only yardstick that matters.

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