The Unz Review • An Alternative Media Selection$
A Collection of Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media
 TeasersiSteve Blog
NFL's Wonderlic IQ Test, RIP
Email This Page to Someone

 Remember My Information



=>

Bookmark Toggle AllToCAdd to LibraryRemove from Library • B
Show CommentNext New CommentNext New ReplyRead More
ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
AgreeDisagreeThanksLOLTroll
These buttons register your public Agreement, Disagreement, Thanks, LOL, or Troll with the selected comment. They are ONLY available to recent, frequent commenters who have saved their Name+Email using the 'Remember My Information' checkbox, and may also ONLY be used three times during any eight hour period.
Ignore Commenter Follow Commenter
Search Text Case Sensitive  Exact Words  Include Comments
List of Bookmarks

As part of the Not So Great Reset, the National Football League is stopping giving its hugely entertaining 12 minute Wonderlic IQ test to draft prospects. After all, we don’t get to know the IQs of any other sets of celebrities, so why should football players not be exempt from objective scrutiny too? From NBC Sports:

Report: NFL abandons the Wonderlic test

Posted by Mike Florio on January 5, 2022, 11:01 AM EST

In a memo distributed to all NFL teams on Wednesday, a copy of which was obtained by Rob Maaddi of the Associated Press, the league explained that the 50-question test of general intelligence will be eliminated from the pre-draft process.

Long a source of controversy given the irrelevance of the scores and other factors that make the outcomes unreliable (including whether the players care about the test or even realized they’d be taking it), the NFL continued to implement the test as part of the obsession with having apples-to-apples data points over the various years of draft classes.

Obtaining and reporting low scores became a cottage industry for sports media. We used to seek out those numbers, aggressively. Eventually, we realized that they aren’t reliable — and that it’s unfair to use low scores as the basis for ridiculing the intelligence of the players who took the test. In recent years, we completely refrained from publishing specific scores for specific players.

At one point, agents obtained the various versions of the test and gave them to their clients, allowing them to have the best possible preparation for the exam. Scouts shrugged at the perception/reality of cheating. As one scout told PFT years ago, if the players can memorize the multiple versions of the Wonderlic and repeat the answers when called upon to do so, they can memorize a playbook. And that’s all that matters.

Then there’s the other end of the spectrum. Doing too well on the test. Former NFL punter Pat McInally (pictured) got the only 50 in the history of the pre-draft Wonderlic process. Some coaches may feel threatened by having players in the locker room who are smarter than the Phys Ed majors that end up scratching out Xs and Os for a living.

“Coaches and front-office guys don’t like extremes one way or the other, but particularly not on the high side,” McInally said in 2006, explaining that he believes the perfect score hurt his draft stock. “I think they think guys who are intelligent will challenge authority too much.”

Hopefully, the abandonment of the Wonderlic at the league level means that teams won’t be able to implement the test during individual visits with players. If not, most teams will be tempted to continue to use the test, making the broader decision to abandon it largely meaningless.

The Wonderlic test is meaningless to football.

Which is why the journalist is worried that NFL teams will continue to use the Wonderlic on the down-low.

Here’s Los Angeles Rams wide receiver Cooper Kupp (132 on the Wonderlic), who has a chance this weekend to break the NFL record for most receiving yards in a season held by Calvin Johnson (140), answering a question:

 
Hide 122 CommentsLeave a Comment
Commenters to Ignore...to FollowEndorsed Only
Trim Comments?
  1. They won’t use it on the down low, players will refuse to take it and report any team that pressures them to take as racist. The test will provide very little reward for high risk of negative press going forward. They should be able to tell which guys are morons in a pre draft interview without it.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Barnard

    Everything POCs don't do well - tests, obeying the law, etc, - is now racist. And it's YT's fault.

    Replies: @Barnard

    , @ScarletNumber
    @Barnard


    report any team that pressures them to take as racist
     
    The NFL just announced that teams that act inappropriately with prospects during the combine will be subject to fines and loss of draft picks
    , @Bill Jones
    @Barnard

    The issue is not spotting the morons. Spotting the morons during interviews is racist, to safely spot the moron you need an independent objective source.
    Fortunately, all independent objective sources are irrelevant.

  2. I can’t wait for Troof to weigh in on this latest outrage……Old Sport!

    • Replies: @Truth
    @fish

    OK, I really didn't have a witty comment, but since I'm taking requests:


    Here’s Los Angeles Rams wide receiver Cooper Kupp (132 on the Wonderlic), who has a chance this weekend to break the NFL record for most receiving yards in a season held by Calvin Johnson (140), answering a question:
     
    https://youtu.be/3j5LjmKRXV0?t=17

    https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/deshaun-watson-lovers-are-panicking-over-his-wonderlic-score/

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Buffalo Joe

  3. Why not invite potential players to shoot a game of pool but make them have to sink the shot while one or two balls are in motion? Isn’t that the kind of spatial awareness you want in a football player?

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Unit472

    You need to test for impulse control as well, so you're not dealing with a lot of PR disasters associated with players indicted for rape, murder, dogfighting, etc. There's a decent correlation between IQ and impulse control, so if you get a player with a decent Wonderlic score it lowers the odds the team will one day have to issue a press release distancing the organization from a player indicted for violent crimes.

    That was the point Colin Cowherd made in a monologue I happened to catch on sportstalk radio once. I bet he reads iSteve.

    Also, football at the pro level is complicated in other ways. Players winging it on on intuitive spatial awareness thru high school and college will have a hard time. At the pro level, everybody's got exquisite spatial awareness. You also need pattern recognition and memorization and strategic thinking. You also need good social skills, like nerdy guys like Eli and Payton Manning motivating their bigger, stronger teammates to fight like hell for them. Apparently everyone on the Pats hated Aaron Rodriguez and the normally sharp Bill Belichik should have seen that coming, starting with the gang tats.

    I'm guessing teams will find other ways to test for impulse control and weed out violent dumbasses.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Feryl

  4. Hardly a surprise now that college admission tests are being done away with. Anything that highlights lack of jogger intelligence and/or makes Whites feel guilty about highlighting jogger lack of intelligence must go.

  5. @Barnard
    They won't use it on the down low, players will refuse to take it and report any team that pressures them to take as racist. The test will provide very little reward for high risk of negative press going forward. They should be able to tell which guys are morons in a pre draft interview without it.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @ScarletNumber, @Bill Jones

    Everything POCs don’t do well – tests, obeying the law, etc, – is now racist. And it’s YT’s fault.

    • Agree: SteveRogers42
    • Replies: @Barnard
    @Jim Don Bob

    In fairness to the players, a lot of idiotic stuff had happened at the draft combine. Not mentioned in this link, Matthew Stafford has said one team asked him a bunch of questions about his parents divorce.

    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32998827/nfl-teams-lose-draft-pick-face-fines-unprofessional-conduct-draft-prospect-interviews

  6. @fish
    I can't wait for Troof to weigh in on this latest outrage......Old Sport!

    Replies: @Truth

    OK, I really didn’t have a witty comment, but since I’m taking requests:

    Here’s Los Angeles Rams wide receiver Cooper Kupp (132 on the Wonderlic), who has a chance this weekend to break the NFL record for most receiving yards in a season held by Calvin Johnson (140), answering a question:

    https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/deshaun-watson-lovers-are-panicking-over-his-wonderlic-score/

    • Troll: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Truth

    "OK, I really didn’t have a witty comment, "

    Never stopped you before.

    Replies: @Truth, @Ben tillman

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Truth

    Truth, that is most receptions in a single season (140), and this season is one game longer so an asterisk record.

    Replies: @Brutusale

  7. That guy sounds like Boomhauer.

    • LOL: AndrewR
  8. Damn, is Cooper the Micro Machines guy’s son?

  9. Former Ravens guard and First Team All-Big Ten, John Urschel, gives talk on An Introduction to Determinantal Point Processes

    At Institute for Advanced Study, former institution of Einstein, Gödel, von Neumann, amongst many other luminaries.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Chin, John graduated from the local Jesuit Prep HS. When he came off the field in HS and college his mother used to say, "John, you don't have to do this."

    , @Alfa158
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    That’s what my wife calls math hair. Whenever she was working out math problems she used to unconsciously run her fingers up through her hair. When she looked in the mirror and saw the resulting teased out rats nest look she would cry out “Ahh! I’ve got math hair!”

    Replies: @slumber_j

    , @fish
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Troofy.....if you must always fly the flag this is where you oughta be hoisting it!

  10. Calvin Johnson was awesome. Too bad he played on terrible teams. He did so with self respect so good on him .

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @Ben tillman
    @Hodag

    Yeah, he was great. Of course, to me he will always be a Yellow Jacket stuck with the worst QB in the conference, Reggie Ball.

  11. OT:

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @Wade Hampton
    @Mike Tre

    The good news is that the heavy adopters of electric cars will all be progressives, like the enthusiasts of the Covid "vaccines" and their eternal boosters. Quoting Derb, "life is an IQ test".

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Mike Tre

    Mike, just a couple of years ago, here in WNY, a driver was buried in his car during a near blizzard. Stayed in touch with his family by cell phone, but troopers and road crews could not locate him. Car ran out of gas and he died. Maybe he lived a while longer in his gas powered vehicle but he still died.

    Replies: @bomag, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Mike Tre, @LP5

    , @possumman
    @Mike Tre

    I understand that they burn well and for a long time so there is that

    , @AnotherDad
    @Mike Tre


    Anybody want to try the over/under death count from freezing if all the cars were electric?
     
    A tiny bit of thought here:

    Is there some reason to suspect that an electric car is comparatively worse at turning its battery energy into heat, than a gasoline car? Seems pretty clear to me it is comparatively better, much better. Electric resistance heating is very efficient--the energy loss pretty much *is* the heat. In contrast, idling your gasoline engine, enough to heat the coolant and getting--some--heat transfer from that hot coolant into your car is actually piss poor.

    My rough estimate would be at idle you can run your engine for an hour on a gallon. So if you have say 10 gallons left in the tank when stranded you have 10 heater hours, which of course you can stretch to last a couple days.

    Much less informed about electrics--no experience with one--but i'd venture that if there's a couple hundred miles of battery charge left--while that is much less actual energy content than the 10 gallons of gas--that is sufficient to run your much more efficient electric heater a pretty darn long time, probably longer than the car.

    ~~

    My overall take: look at the weather and stay home!
  12. @Truth
    @fish

    OK, I really didn't have a witty comment, but since I'm taking requests:


    Here’s Los Angeles Rams wide receiver Cooper Kupp (132 on the Wonderlic), who has a chance this weekend to break the NFL record for most receiving yards in a season held by Calvin Johnson (140), answering a question:
     
    https://youtu.be/3j5LjmKRXV0?t=17

    https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/deshaun-watson-lovers-are-panicking-over-his-wonderlic-score/

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Buffalo Joe

    “OK, I really didn’t have a witty comment, ”

    Never stopped you before.

    • Agree: Tony massey
    • Replies: @Truth
    @Mike Tre

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpYEJx7PkWE

    Replies: @Dube

    , @Ben tillman
    @Mike Tre

    You’re underrating him. As I’ve said before, he bats a steady .286, just like Vada Pinson.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Truth

  13. Someone suggested the test could be used in concussion lawsuits.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
    @Goatweed

    I´d have guessed that´s the salient point so I´d expected them to increase
    testing - are they doing away with it so´s not to discriminate against those
    who were stoopid from the beginning?

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Goatweed

    At one point they were trying to calculate CTE damage based on how many IQ points a player had lost. So they were effectively telling black players: "You don't have CTE, you just weren't that smart to begin with." That went over about as well as you would expect.

  14. “Coaches and front-office guys don’t like extremes one way or the other, but particularly not on the high side,” McInally said in 2006, explaining that he believes the perfect score hurt his draft stock. “I think they think guys who are intelligent will challenge authority too much.”

    He’s certainly right about that. People who are truly smart (not smart-alecky or merely learned but genuinely profound) tend to make other people very uncomfortable, especially those whose power comes from their office and not their inner greatness.

    • Agree: Je Suis Omar Mateen
  15. Wide receiver is the position that requires the least of a players intellect. That shows up on the Wonderlic. A intelligent WR, like Eddleman, may be more involved in the game and very prone to changing plans on the fly by helping out his QB in a blitz etc, but even the corners that must defend againt WR demonstrate understanding of the larger schemes required to defend them.

    Stupid but physically gifted QBs don’t cut it or if they do, for a short period of time untill defensive schemes and injuries quickly overtake them. It’s hard to find a less phyically gifted QB than Brady.

    All that said, the black NFL average IQ is slightly over 100, so the game is complicated and demanding. The one thing NFL coaches cannot stand is slack. The Patriots a few years ago had a practice squad running back promoted due to a running back injury and he immediately gained 200 yards, was late for the next practice, and cut.

    • Agree: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @james wilson


    The Patriots a few years ago had a practice squad running back promoted due to a running back injury and he immediately gained 200 yards, was late for the next practice, and cut
     
    They also benched Malcolm Butler for Super Bowl LI, only two years after the game-winning interception in Super Bowl XLIX.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  16. Here’s Ozamataz Buckshank’s post-game interview. I’m not sure what he got on the Wonderlic.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Anonymous

    The funniest thing they did was the hood version of Hogwarts.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j-2ZxldMO-M

    Replies: @PaceLaw, @PaceLaw

  17. All football players are dumb. Who needs a test to know the obvious?

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    @obwandiyag

    "All".

    https://www.boardvitals.com/blog/nfl-players-turned-doctors/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Doornink (See also)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byron_White

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaine_Nye

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Page

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Dawkins

    Many such cases.

  18. Good to hear the NFL is finally complying with Griggs vs. Duke Power.

    As the learned justices have instructed us, intelligence is irrelevant to operating a power plant. And irrelevant for anything, including an NFL player … other than being a brilliant lawyer like a learned Supreme Court Justice. For that, of course, you must be really smart, in order to come up with decisions like Griggs.

  19. @Mike Tre
    OT:

    https://twitter.com/TheWizardsQuest/status/1478539091365044225?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1478539091365044225%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fdirectorblue.blogspot.com%2F

    Replies: @Wade Hampton, @Buffalo Joe, @possumman, @AnotherDad

    The good news is that the heavy adopters of electric cars will all be progressives, like the enthusiasts of the Covid “vaccines” and their eternal boosters. Quoting Derb, “life is an IQ test”.

    • Agree: AceDeuce
  20. @Truth
    @fish

    OK, I really didn't have a witty comment, but since I'm taking requests:


    Here’s Los Angeles Rams wide receiver Cooper Kupp (132 on the Wonderlic), who has a chance this weekend to break the NFL record for most receiving yards in a season held by Calvin Johnson (140), answering a question:
     
    https://youtu.be/3j5LjmKRXV0?t=17

    https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/deshaun-watson-lovers-are-panicking-over-his-wonderlic-score/

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Buffalo Joe

    Truth, that is most receptions in a single season (140), and this season is one game longer so an asterisk record.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Buffalo Joe

    Sorry, Joe, but this season is THREE games longer to us oldtimers!

  21. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    Former Ravens guard and First Team All-Big Ten, John Urschel, gives talk on An Introduction to Determinantal Point Processes--
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-dH7oLrcBQ

    At Institute for Advanced Study, former institution of Einstein, Gödel, von Neumann, amongst many other luminaries.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Alfa158, @fish

    Chin, John graduated from the local Jesuit Prep HS. When he came off the field in HS and college his mother used to say, “John, you don’t have to do this.”

  22. @Mike Tre
    OT:

    https://twitter.com/TheWizardsQuest/status/1478539091365044225?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1478539091365044225%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fdirectorblue.blogspot.com%2F

    Replies: @Wade Hampton, @Buffalo Joe, @possumman, @AnotherDad

    Mike, just a couple of years ago, here in WNY, a driver was buried in his car during a near blizzard. Stayed in touch with his family by cell phone, but troopers and road crews could not locate him. Car ran out of gas and he died. Maybe he lived a while longer in his gas powered vehicle but he still died.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Buffalo Joe

    I'd still rather head into a near-blizzard in a gas powered car.

    OTOH, in an electric I'd more likely have an arctic sleeping bag with plenty of energy food. And plenty of Joe Biden underwear.

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Buffalo Joe


    Stayed in touch with his family by cell phone, but troopers and road crews could not locate him. Car ran out of gas and he died.
     
    The troopers were unable to call the cell phone company and triangulate the fellow's rough position between towers?

    Seems odd.

    Replies: @Technite78

    , @Mike Tre
    @Buffalo Joe

    The only guarantee in life is, sooner or later, death.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans

    , @LP5
    @Buffalo Joe


    Mike, just a couple of years ago, here in WNY, a driver was buried in his car during a near blizzard.

     

    Cue Jimmy Buffett singing Mañana, withpeople freezin' up in Buffalo stuck in their cars and I'm lyin' here 'neath the sun and the stars.

    Stay safe, Joe.
  23. including whether the players care about the test or even realized they’d be taking it

    Wouldn’t this make the test more reliable?

    When attributing anonymous texts, the trick is to ignore the important, meaty stuff and to concentrate on the trivial, verbal tics and the like. Precisely because the author is not thinking of them.

  24. Instead of eliminating the IQ test at the beginning of their careers, shouldn’t they add an IQ test at the end, in order to measure the brain damage?

    Or maybe this is about burying the evidence.

    • Replies: @EdwardM
    @anon.

    Remember they did that, and blacks' scores (before and after) were so low that they didn't know if they were affected by the sport or were just dumb. As a result, blacks were under-diagnosed with football-caused mental deterioration and lost out on some of that sweet compensation. As a result, they stopped using the post-playing test and the result will of course be more wealth distribution from whites to blacks as everyone gets paid.

    I wonder if some teams (e.g., New England) will use the test on their own to create competitive advantage over those that don't?

    Replies: @Brutusale

    , @Mark Roulo
    @anon.

    "Instead of eliminating the IQ test at the beginning of their careers, shouldn’t they add an IQ test at the end, in order to measure the brain damage?"

    There is an incentives problem here. If I can take a test at the end of my career and the worse I do on the test the more money I get paid, then, um ...

  25. @Mike Tre
    @Truth

    "OK, I really didn’t have a witty comment, "

    Never stopped you before.

    Replies: @Truth, @Ben tillman

    • Thanks: Mike Tre
    • LOL: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Dube
    @Truth

    I remember a black actor taking horsemanship training from two seasoned white cowhands at a ranch in Chatsworth. They never let up on him and he never caved. They didn't talk color. And they never gave him less than the best as he maneuvered in the corral. I hope that's the standard here.

  26. SLATE talks to a professor at the U of Chicago who has analyzed the Jan. 6 riot:

    We Know Exactly Who the Capitol Rioters Were
    A year later, a fuller picture of who really drove the riot is clear. The lessons for 2022 and beyond are sobering.

    In April, you presented a theory that counties with the most significant declines in the non-Hispanic white population were the most likely to produce insurrectionists. Did that theory hold up?

    What we found in April has just been reinforced over time. In the court records, the residence data is right there. We don’t have fuzziness with this. As of early December, what we found is 52 percent are coming from counties that Biden won in the 2020 election. That is, more are coming from counties Biden won than Trump won. They were coming from San Francisco, Los Angeles, Chicago, New York City—not upstate New York—Philadelphia, Houston, Dallas. They are a political minority in the places that they live. This is really quite striking. The more the county votes for Trump, the less likely was the county to send an insurrectionist. The more rural, the less likely to send an insurrectionist.

    Now, what else do those counties have in common? The No. 1 feature of the county sending insurrectionists, aside from simply the size of the population overall, is that these are the counties losing the most white population in the United States. The more counties have lost non-Hispanic white population since 2010—that is, between 2010 and 2020—the significantly more likely is the county to send an insurrectionist.

    There is a right-wing conspiracy theory called the great replacement, which says that white people are being overtaken by minorities and that this is going to cause a loss of rights for white people. It used to be on the fringe. It’s been around a long time, but what’s special now is that that theory is embraced in full-throated fashion by major political leaders and also by major media figures. If you live in an area that’s losing white population, you can start yourself to connect the dots to the spinning that’s going around with these narratives.

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/01/january-6-capitol-riot-arrests-research-profile.html

    Yeah, I mean what kind of loser would think that the Whites are being replaced? That’s crazy talk!

    The U.S. Census Bureau has just released its last batch of race-ethnic population estimates in advance of the 2020 census, with data indicating that the national headcount will reveal a more diverse nation than was previously expected. The new estimates show that nearly four of 10 Americans identify with a race or ethnic group other than white, and suggest that the 2010 to 2020 decade will be the first in the nation’s history in which the white population declined in numbers.

    The declining white population share is pervasive across the nation. Since 2010, the white population share declined in all 50 states (though not Washington, D.C.) (download table A), and in 358 of the nation’s 364 metropolitan areas and 3,012 of its 3,141 counties. Moreover, as of 2019, 27 of the 100 largest metropolitan areas have minority-white populations, including the major metropolises of New York, Los Angeles, Washington, D.C., and Miami—as well as Dallas, Atlanta, and Orlando, Fla., which reached this status by 2010

    https://www.brookings.edu/research/new-census-data-shows-the-nation-is-diversifying-even-faster-than-predicted/

    • Replies: @bomag
    @syonredux

    Yet another example where the race-doesn't-matter crowd gleefully does such counting and categorizing.

  27. @Anonymous
    Here's Ozamataz Buckshank's post-game interview. I'm not sure what he got on the Wonderlic.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_fiCr2wHY8

    Replies: @Anon

    The funniest thing they did was the hood version of Hogwarts.

    • Replies: @PaceLaw
    @Anon

    Thanks for sharing!! That was hilarious!!!

    , @PaceLaw
    @Anon

    I respectfully disagree. This is the funniest clip they did or if not at least a close number two.

    https://youtu.be/PkUsK9cqt_E

  28. Here’s Los Angeles Rams wide receiver Cooper Kupp (132 on the Wonderlic), who has a chance this weekend to break the NFL record for most receiving yards in a season held by Calvin Johnson (140), answering a question …

    Rams WR Cooper Kupp in 2021 sounds just like Rams interim head coach Joe Vitt in 2005. No one ever mistook Vitt’s vertical distance high above average on the Asperger scale for his horizontal distance right of average on the IQ bell curve.

  29. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    Former Ravens guard and First Team All-Big Ten, John Urschel, gives talk on An Introduction to Determinantal Point Processes--
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-dH7oLrcBQ

    At Institute for Advanced Study, former institution of Einstein, Gödel, von Neumann, amongst many other luminaries.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Alfa158, @fish

    That’s what my wife calls math hair. Whenever she was working out math problems she used to unconsciously run her fingers up through her hair. When she looked in the mirror and saw the resulting teased out rats nest look she would cry out “Ahh! I’ve got math hair!”

    • Replies: @slumber_j
    @Alfa158


    When she looked in the mirror and saw the resulting teased out rats nest look she would cry out “Ahh! I’ve got math hair!”
     
    Funny: a late ex-girlfriend of mine used to call that effect "f***head."

    Replies: @fish

  30. @Jim Don Bob
    @Barnard

    Everything POCs don't do well - tests, obeying the law, etc, - is now racist. And it's YT's fault.

    Replies: @Barnard

    In fairness to the players, a lot of idiotic stuff had happened at the draft combine. Not mentioned in this link, Matthew Stafford has said one team asked him a bunch of questions about his parents divorce.

    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32998827/nfl-teams-lose-draft-pick-face-fines-unprofessional-conduct-draft-prospect-interviews

    • Agree: PaceLaw
  31. First they will hide IQ tests (or some proxies) results, then they will decline to use them, and finally they will make them illegal. Along with no pictures or races of criminals in the media, of course.

    If data are inconvenient, just get rid of the data and make data-collection illegal.

    We will just be left with our own lying eyes in our (limited) individual lives.

    • Agree: ziggurat
    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @Twinkie

    I wouldn't be surprised if we get a "Local News Shouldn't Report On Crime" campaign from the Establishment Media.

    , @res
    @Twinkie

    Agreed.


    We will just be left with our own lying eyes in our (limited) individual lives.
     
    And lots of "anecdote is not data" being shouted at us.

    Useful rule of thumb. Whoever is hiding the data is lying.
  32. Just what’s the point of giving IQ tests to sportsmen it’s preposterous like giving physicals to physicists. How many scientists would pass the standard Marines physicals?

    • Replies: @Abolish_public_education
    @Grahamsno(G64)

    How many scientists would pass the standard Marines physicals?

    One time, while going up a SF hill at the tail-end of my daily, middle-distance run, I deliberately throttled-up my sort of bell lap kick, in order to blow past a small group of Marine exercisers-runners. Each one was about half my age.

    I got PO'd when I saw them snickering at some old guy -- twice my age -- ahead of me, who they had just passed on the same hill.

  33. I remember how the Seattle city counsel hired (\$150,000) a former pimp as a consultant to advise them about how hood-thinking works. The NFL should take a lesson from that, and hire Antonio Brown as a consultant on cognitive and emotional states that might constitute an impediment to NFL performance.

  34. @Anon
    @Anonymous

    The funniest thing they did was the hood version of Hogwarts.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j-2ZxldMO-M

    Replies: @PaceLaw, @PaceLaw

    Thanks for sharing!! That was hilarious!!!

  35. I can definitely can see both sides of this. Professional football teams are definitely investing significant sums of money into these young men, so I can see how they would want to get a handle on how mature and intelligent they are. But at the same time, what do the scores fully predict? Just look at players like Antonio Brown, who recently melted down on the field on Sunday, but who has had a long and profitable career even though I’m sure he scored in the single digits on this test. Something tells me that Ray Lewis, the Hall of Fame linebacker from the Baltimore Ravens, also scored very poorly. At the end of the day, professional football is a violent game so I don’t know how much IQ (outside of a few skill positions such as quarterback) really matters.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @PaceLaw


    don’t know how much IQ... really matters
     
    As in most areas,

    1) There's a floor, after which other factors start to weigh more heavily.

    2) Everything else being equal, the smarter prospect is a better bet.
  36. Eventually, we realized that they aren’t reliable — and that it’s unfair to use low scores as the basis for ridiculing the intelligence of the players who took the test. In recent years, we completely refrained from publishing specific scores for specific players.

    lmao at a “sports reporter” (re: waterboy) claiming he realized a stat was unreliable, unfair, and therefore refused to use it or comment on it.

    These self-hating white clowns are so pathetic, I wonder if they invest in knee pads.

    • Replies: @ic1000
    @R.G. Camara

    NBC's Mike Florio has written an article to the standards of Woke Pravda and the Idiocracy Times. Does he know? I assume he's proud of his output, but who can say.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

  37. @Anon
    @Anonymous

    The funniest thing they did was the hood version of Hogwarts.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j-2ZxldMO-M

    Replies: @PaceLaw, @PaceLaw

    I respectfully disagree. This is the funniest clip they did or if not at least a close number two.

  38. @Twinkie
    First they will hide IQ tests (or some proxies) results, then they will decline to use them, and finally they will make them illegal. Along with no pictures or races of criminals in the media, of course.

    If data are inconvenient, just get rid of the data and make data-collection illegal.

    We will just be left with our own lying eyes in our (limited) individual lives.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @res

    I wouldn’t be surprised if we get a “Local News Shouldn’t Report On Crime” campaign from the Establishment Media.

    • Agree: Twinkie
  39. Former NFL punter Pat McInally (pictured) got the only 50 in the history of the pre-draft Wonderlic process.

    This interview covers a lot in 4 minutes: upbringing, attitude toward sports, his current high school coaching that includes his family, Harvard career, the Wonderlic test, his business venture (action figures for athletes playing football, baseball, basketball), syndicated advice column, and AstroTurf vs grass.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @ziggurat

    Pat McInally likes to talk about the lawsuit he won against Paul McCartney.

    Replies: @ziggurat

  40. @ziggurat

    Former NFL punter Pat McInally (pictured) got the only 50 in the history of the pre-draft Wonderlic process.
     
    This interview covers a lot in 4 minutes: upbringing, attitude toward sports, his current high school coaching that includes his family, Harvard career, the Wonderlic test, his business venture (action figures for athletes playing football, baseball, basketball), syndicated advice column, and AstroTurf vs grass.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQtkIphDhGE

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Pat McInally likes to talk about the lawsuit he won against Paul McCartney.

    • Replies: @ziggurat
    @Steve Sailer

    I'm surprised there's any connection between them. I did a quick search, but I couldn't easily find anything on the lawsuit. I was about to give up, but I found this post from you in 2014:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/will-domestic-violence-flap-lower-nfls-cromartie-index/


    By the way, McInally, who lives by the beach in Orange County, is now a collector in the manner of the toothless but brilliant Chris Cooper character in Charlie Kaufman’s Adaptation. McInally puts together world class collections (e.g., Winnie the Pooh first editions), eventually gets bored, auctions them off, then starts collecting Ian Fleming memorabilia or Lennon-McCartney manuscripts or something else:

    Paul McCartney once took out an injunction to stop him selling the manuscript of Penny Lane. “He ended up paying a good amount of money, but nothing like what it would have made at auction,” McInally laments with a chuckle. “But it’s tough to fight Sir Paul.”
     

     
    Interesting character!
  41. @Truth
    @Mike Tre

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpYEJx7PkWE

    Replies: @Dube

    I remember a black actor taking horsemanship training from two seasoned white cowhands at a ranch in Chatsworth. They never let up on him and he never caved. They didn’t talk color. And they never gave him less than the best as he maneuvered in the corral. I hope that’s the standard here.

  42. Meanwhile, Adolph Hitler is on the move…

    https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1478852313066483712?s=20

    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
    @zoos

    Re: Adolf Hitler Uunona

    This dude should be President of Namibia one day. He certainly can't be worse than any of the clowns or criminals who now hold high office in the US.

    But his name might work against him. I mean, how in the hell do you pronounce Uunona? (That's a name I'd love to see Brandon or "Dr." Brandon try to pronounce.)

  43. Wonderlic test = Dice-strewn lot.

  44. @Steve Sailer
    @ziggurat

    Pat McInally likes to talk about the lawsuit he won against Paul McCartney.

    Replies: @ziggurat

    I’m surprised there’s any connection between them. I did a quick search, but I couldn’t easily find anything on the lawsuit. I was about to give up, but I found this post from you in 2014:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/will-domestic-violence-flap-lower-nfls-cromartie-index/

    By the way, McInally, who lives by the beach in Orange County, is now a collector in the manner of the toothless but brilliant Chris Cooper character in Charlie Kaufman’s Adaptation. McInally puts together world class collections (e.g., Winnie the Pooh first editions), eventually gets bored, auctions them off, then starts collecting Ian Fleming memorabilia or Lennon-McCartney manuscripts or something else:

    Paul McCartney once took out an injunction to stop him selling the manuscript of Penny Lane. “He ended up paying a good amount of money, but nothing like what it would have made at auction,” McInally laments with a chuckle. “But it’s tough to fight Sir Paul.”

    Interesting character!

  45. @anon.
    Instead of eliminating the IQ test at the beginning of their careers, shouldn't they add an IQ test at the end, in order to measure the brain damage?

    Or maybe this is about burying the evidence.

    Replies: @EdwardM, @Mark Roulo

    Remember they did that, and blacks’ scores (before and after) were so low that they didn’t know if they were affected by the sport or were just dumb. As a result, blacks were under-diagnosed with football-caused mental deterioration and lost out on some of that sweet compensation. As a result, they stopped using the post-playing test and the result will of course be more wealth distribution from whites to blacks as everyone gets paid.

    I wonder if some teams (e.g., New England) will use the test on their own to create competitive advantage over those that don’t?

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @EdwardM

    I think that Bill Belichick already has a pretty good idea of who the brighter players are. ;-)

    That said, I would guess that this year's squad may be his blackest team.

    Replies: @Unladen Swallow

  46. @Barnard
    They won't use it on the down low, players will refuse to take it and report any team that pressures them to take as racist. The test will provide very little reward for high risk of negative press going forward. They should be able to tell which guys are morons in a pre draft interview without it.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @ScarletNumber, @Bill Jones

    report any team that pressures them to take as racist

    The NFL just announced that teams that act inappropriately with prospects during the combine will be subject to fines and loss of draft picks

  47. @james wilson
    Wide receiver is the position that requires the least of a players intellect. That shows up on the Wonderlic. A intelligent WR, like Eddleman, may be more involved in the game and very prone to changing plans on the fly by helping out his QB in a blitz etc, but even the corners that must defend againt WR demonstrate understanding of the larger schemes required to defend them.

    Stupid but physically gifted QBs don't cut it or if they do, for a short period of time untill defensive schemes and injuries quickly overtake them. It's hard to find a less phyically gifted QB than Brady.

    All that said, the black NFL average IQ is slightly over 100, so the game is complicated and demanding. The one thing NFL coaches cannot stand is slack. The Patriots a few years ago had a practice squad running back promoted due to a running back injury and he immediately gained 200 yards, was late for the next practice, and cut.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    The Patriots a few years ago had a practice squad running back promoted due to a running back injury and he immediately gained 200 yards, was late for the next practice, and cut

    They also benched Malcolm Butler for Super Bowl LI, only two years after the game-winning interception in Super Bowl XLIX.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @ScarletNumber


    They also benched Malcolm Butler for Super Bowl LI, only two years after the game-winning interception in Super Bowl XLIX.
     
    I have never heard a good explanation for the benching of MB. He only won the Super Bowl against the Seahawks with his goal line interception. Probably only Bill B knows.

    The Patriots barely lost that SB against Philly; Malcolm Butler might have made the difference.
  48. Well Florio hit all of the correct talking points, so he will get to keep his job. However, I disagree with Steve’s ultimate point. I don’t think the public has an ultimate right to anyone’s Wonderlic score, and if teams can’t keep them secure, then they should go.

    • Replies: @res
    @ScarletNumber

    That's a reasonable point. Though I'm not sure how different the Wonderlic results are in that respect from all of the physical data made public as part of the draft combine.
    https://www.pro-football-reference.com/draft/2020-combine.htm

    , @AnotherDad
    @ScarletNumber


    I don’t think the public has an ultimate right to anyone’s Wonderlic score, and if teams can’t keep them secure, then they should go.
     
    The public does not have any right to their times in the 40 either. (I don't reveal mine either. Though i can tell you if my neighbor encourages me with say a cold beer on his patio, i can be under a minute getting over there.)

    However, these guys aren't random school kids, they have decided to make a career as professional athlete--making big $$$--and in the process agree to their capabilities and behavior both accessed by employers and observed and commented upon by fans. Don't like that tradeoff--get a different job.
    , @Feryl
    @ScarletNumber

    Back in the day Pro Football Talk ran a police blotter called the "turd watch". Then the site was bought by NBC and the police blotter vanished. No surprise, since you could count on warrants being issued/arrests being made pretty often.

    Anyway, WRT hypocrisy, of course those of high SES who spout woke stuff would, never in a million years, actually live in the ghetto or send their kids to an inner city public school. You may have seen the recent NYTimes article which described elite urban white libs consistently showing, via their actions, that they don't really believe lofty woke rhetoric about racial harmony and uplift, but rather, are aloof and stingy. How far will Woke whites go to prove that they really are the good whites? Well, as we've seen so far the preferred solution is to destroy less woke whites rather than actually live in accordance with principles of harmony and equality (all those who have or aspire to have high SES are obsessed with proving their superiority these days, so much for believing in equality).

  49. Generally speaking, as test stakes rise, prep and cheating increases but the rank order of the results stays the same, only with wider gaps. Smart people are better at prep and cheating than dumb people.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @Anon


    Smart people are better at prep and cheating than dumb people.
     
    LOL. Yeah, that's the consensus among dumb people, anyway.

    I guess the "rich people" excuse regarding the same thing wouldn't work among that demographic.

    Life's a lot like a poker game. The winners just lean back and smile and stack their chips up higher, and the losers swear and spit on the floor and slam their cards on the table.

  50. Meaningless, I tell you. Meaningless. Mean-ing-less!

  51. I’d be more interested in putting non-football-player celebrities through the NFL combine.

  52. @Goatweed
    Someone suggested the test could be used in concussion lawsuits.

    Replies: @nokangaroos, @Hypnotoad666

    I´d have guessed that´s the salient point so I´d expected them to increase
    testing – are they doing away with it so´s not to discriminate against those
    who were stoopid from the beginning?

  53. I took me one o’ dem Wonderlics.
    Got cut ’cause my sco’ came out under 6.
    “Y’all dumb!” dey tell us,
    But white guys just jealous
    ’Cause dey got six inches and under d***s.

  54. Steve, Calvin Johnson’s (41 wonderlic) highest catch total was 122. Michael Thomas (w.s n/a) has the most in a season, 149. Johnsons yards record is in reach of Kupp (37 wl).

  55. I would think team meetings and practices quickly reveal which players have the capacity to learn and execute the playbook and those that do not. I suppose that with the size of an NFL roster a screening test might be somewhat useful, but when it comes to the draft it seems like there is still an awful lot of guesswork about how players might pan out in the league.

    Loved all the Key & Peele clips. They often parody black culture and yet Jordan Peele is sort of ultra woke anyway…both of them are mixed race, and from Hannah Jones on down, it seems like that’s the type that really goes all in on racial justice due to some sort of insecurity about their identity.

    • Replies: @Mark Roulo
    @Arclight


    I would think team meetings and practices quickly reveal which players have the capacity to learn and execute the playbook and those that do not. I suppose that with the size of an NFL roster a screening test might be somewhat useful, but when it comes to the draft it seems like there is still an awful lot of guesswork about how players might pan out in the league.
     
    Which is (one reason) why the NFL doesn't administer the wonderlic to players already in the league.

    But the teams would like to avoid situations where they just signed some rookie to a multi-million dollar contract and then discover that he can't learn or execute the playbook.

    My best guess is that the teams just spend a bit more time talking to the college coaches. The college coaches should be incentivized to tell the truth because the coaching world is small and reputation matters.

    , @Johann Ricke
    @Arclight


    They often parody black culture and yet Jordan Peele is sort of ultra woke anyway…both of them are mixed race, and from Hannah Jones on down, it seems like that’s the type that really goes all in on racial justice due to some sort of insecurity about their identity.
     
    Or perhaps to not just further entrench, but enhance their caste privileges. Wouldn't it be nice if they became heavy hitters to the extent that that they can personally dictate policy and become the equivalent of billionaire plutocrats? Never underestimate the lure of personal advantage in getting people to clamber onto ideological wagons. Don't think of them as ideologies so much as buses for people to gain power, prestige and personal perks.
  56. @Anon
    Generally speaking, as test stakes rise, prep and cheating increases but the rank order of the results stays the same, only with wider gaps. Smart people are better at prep and cheating than dumb people.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    Smart people are better at prep and cheating than dumb people.

    LOL. Yeah, that’s the consensus among dumb people, anyway.

    I guess the “rich people” excuse regarding the same thing wouldn’t work among that demographic.

    Life’s a lot like a poker game. The winners just lean back and smile and stack their chips up higher, and the losers swear and spit on the floor and slam their cards on the table.

  57. @Buffalo Joe
    @Mike Tre

    Mike, just a couple of years ago, here in WNY, a driver was buried in his car during a near blizzard. Stayed in touch with his family by cell phone, but troopers and road crews could not locate him. Car ran out of gas and he died. Maybe he lived a while longer in his gas powered vehicle but he still died.

    Replies: @bomag, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Mike Tre, @LP5

    I’d still rather head into a near-blizzard in a gas powered car.

    OTOH, in an electric I’d more likely have an arctic sleeping bag with plenty of energy food. And plenty of Joe Biden underwear.

  58. @Buffalo Joe
    @Mike Tre

    Mike, just a couple of years ago, here in WNY, a driver was buried in his car during a near blizzard. Stayed in touch with his family by cell phone, but troopers and road crews could not locate him. Car ran out of gas and he died. Maybe he lived a while longer in his gas powered vehicle but he still died.

    Replies: @bomag, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Mike Tre, @LP5

    Stayed in touch with his family by cell phone, but troopers and road crews could not locate him. Car ran out of gas and he died.

    The troopers were unable to call the cell phone company and triangulate the fellow’s rough position between towers?

    Seems odd.

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @Technite78
    @The Wild Geese Howard


    The troopers were unable to call the cell phone company and triangulate the fellow’s rough position between towers?
     
    If it was a smartphone, he should have been able to give his potential rescuers a GPS position accurate to a roughly 30 foot radius circle (or better, depending on satellite visibility). OTOH, I know of someone who became lost on a desert trail with a smartphone that was out of cellular voice range, but still had text messaging service. They texted for help, but didn't know how to send GPS coordinates, and the rescue took much longer than necessary.

    How many of you know how to access the GPS coordinates of your cellphone? It may come in handy some day.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  59. @Hodag
    Calvin Johnson was awesome. Too bad he played on terrible teams. He did so with self respect so good on him .

    Replies: @Ben tillman

    Yeah, he was great. Of course, to me he will always be a Yellow Jacket stuck with the worst QB in the conference, Reggie Ball.

  60. @syonredux
    SLATE talks to a professor at the U of Chicago who has analyzed the Jan. 6 riot:


    We Know Exactly Who the Capitol Rioters Were
    A year later, a fuller picture of who really drove the riot is clear. The lessons for 2022 and beyond are sobering.

    In April, you presented a theory that counties with the most significant declines in the non-Hispanic white population were the most likely to produce insurrectionists. Did that theory hold up?
     

    What we found in April has just been reinforced over time. In the court records, the residence data is right there. We don’t have fuzziness with this. As of early December, what we found is 52 percent are coming from counties that Biden won in the 2020 election. That is, more are coming from counties Biden won than Trump won. They were coming from San Francisco, Los Angeles, Chicago, New York City—not upstate New York—Philadelphia, Houston, Dallas. They are a political minority in the places that they live. This is really quite striking. The more the county votes for Trump, the less likely was the county to send an insurrectionist. The more rural, the less likely to send an insurrectionist.
     

    Now, what else do those counties have in common? The No. 1 feature of the county sending insurrectionists, aside from simply the size of the population overall, is that these are the counties losing the most white population in the United States. The more counties have lost non-Hispanic white population since 2010—that is, between 2010 and 2020—the significantly more likely is the county to send an insurrectionist.
     

    There is a right-wing conspiracy theory called the great replacement, which says that white people are being overtaken by minorities and that this is going to cause a loss of rights for white people. It used to be on the fringe. It’s been around a long time, but what’s special now is that that theory is embraced in full-throated fashion by major political leaders and also by major media figures. If you live in an area that’s losing white population, you can start yourself to connect the dots to the spinning that’s going around with these narratives.
     
    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/01/january-6-capitol-riot-arrests-research-profile.html


    Yeah, I mean what kind of loser would think that the Whites are being replaced? That's crazy talk!

    The U.S. Census Bureau has just released its last batch of race-ethnic population estimates in advance of the 2020 census, with data indicating that the national headcount will reveal a more diverse nation than was previously expected. The new estimates show that nearly four of 10 Americans identify with a race or ethnic group other than white, and suggest that the 2010 to 2020 decade will be the first in the nation’s history in which the white population declined in numbers.
     

    The declining white population share is pervasive across the nation. Since 2010, the white population share declined in all 50 states (though not Washington, D.C.) (download table A), and in 358 of the nation’s 364 metropolitan areas and 3,012 of its 3,141 counties. Moreover, as of 2019, 27 of the 100 largest metropolitan areas have minority-white populations, including the major metropolises of New York, Los Angeles, Washington, D.C., and Miami—as well as Dallas, Atlanta, and Orlando, Fla., which reached this status by 2010
     
    https://www.brookings.edu/research/new-census-data-shows-the-nation-is-diversifying-even-faster-than-predicted/

    Replies: @bomag

    Yet another example where the race-doesn’t-matter crowd gleefully does such counting and categorizing.

  61. @Mike Tre
    @Truth

    "OK, I really didn’t have a witty comment, "

    Never stopped you before.

    Replies: @Truth, @Ben tillman

    You’re underrating him. As I’ve said before, he bats a steady .286, just like Vada Pinson.

    • LOL: Truth
    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Ben tillman

    Yeah but he lobbed up that softball. I had to take a swing.

    , @Truth
    @Ben tillman

    Vada's a good comparison, he's not just a -smidge- beneath hall-of-famer, he's a -smidge- beneath the guys who are a -smidge- beneath hall-of-famer.

    But I'll take that, with the 4 or 5 Unz all-star games I've played in.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  62. @R.G. Camara

    Eventually, we realized that they aren’t reliable — and that it’s unfair to use low scores as the basis for ridiculing the intelligence of the players who took the test. In recent years, we completely refrained from publishing specific scores for specific players.
     
    lmao at a "sports reporter" (re: waterboy) claiming he realized a stat was unreliable, unfair, and therefore refused to use it or comment on it.

    These self-hating white clowns are so pathetic, I wonder if they invest in knee pads.

    Replies: @ic1000

    NBC’s Mike Florio has written an article to the standards of Woke Pravda and the Idiocracy Times. Does he know? I assume he’s proud of his output, but who can say.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @ic1000

    At a certain point, even if you're aware of the propaganda being false, if you're rewarded enough for following it and observing punishment for not, and if you're bombarded with it enough -- well, you start to love Big Brother.

  63. @Ben tillman
    @Mike Tre

    You’re underrating him. As I’ve said before, he bats a steady .286, just like Vada Pinson.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Truth

    Yeah but he lobbed up that softball. I had to take a swing.

  64. @ic1000
    @R.G. Camara

    NBC's Mike Florio has written an article to the standards of Woke Pravda and the Idiocracy Times. Does he know? I assume he's proud of his output, but who can say.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    At a certain point, even if you’re aware of the propaganda being false, if you’re rewarded enough for following it and observing punishment for not, and if you’re bombarded with it enough — well, you start to love Big Brother.

  65. Ok, so will the NFL now abandon the 40yd dash and vertical jump test since that favors black players?

    Any tests where blacks outperform whites are ok while any tests where whites outperform blacks are evil, racist and “unreliable” and gets the axe.

    • Agree: AceDeuce
    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @KenH


    while any tests where whites outperform blacks are evil, racist and “unreliable” and gets the axe.
     
    And "meaningless."
  66. @Alfa158
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    That’s what my wife calls math hair. Whenever she was working out math problems she used to unconsciously run her fingers up through her hair. When she looked in the mirror and saw the resulting teased out rats nest look she would cry out “Ahh! I’ve got math hair!”

    Replies: @slumber_j

    When she looked in the mirror and saw the resulting teased out rats nest look she would cry out “Ahh! I’ve got math hair!”

    Funny: a late ex-girlfriend of mine used to call that effect “f***head.”

    • Replies: @fish
    @slumber_j

    Context man.....context.

  67. The top score is 50 so how did they get over 100? Retard

    • Replies: @Janus
    @AndrewR

    He used a Wonderlic to IQ conversion table. Calvin Johnson scored a 40 and Cooper Kupp scored a 37. Those convert to 140 and 132, respectively. Retard.


    https://pumpkinperson.files.wordpress.com/2019/01/wonderlic.png

    Replies: @AndrewR

  68. @Buffalo Joe
    @Truth

    Truth, that is most receptions in a single season (140), and this season is one game longer so an asterisk record.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    Sorry, Joe, but this season is THREE games longer to us oldtimers!

  69. @EdwardM
    @anon.

    Remember they did that, and blacks' scores (before and after) were so low that they didn't know if they were affected by the sport or were just dumb. As a result, blacks were under-diagnosed with football-caused mental deterioration and lost out on some of that sweet compensation. As a result, they stopped using the post-playing test and the result will of course be more wealth distribution from whites to blacks as everyone gets paid.

    I wonder if some teams (e.g., New England) will use the test on their own to create competitive advantage over those that don't?

    Replies: @Brutusale

    I think that Bill Belichick already has a pretty good idea of who the brighter players are. 😉

    That said, I would guess that this year’s squad may be his blackest team.

    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
    @Brutusale

    Not at the QB position anymore, the rookie Mac Jones replaced Cam Newton, who is busy reminding Carolina why they cut him in the first place.

  70. @Buffalo Joe
    @Mike Tre

    Mike, just a couple of years ago, here in WNY, a driver was buried in his car during a near blizzard. Stayed in touch with his family by cell phone, but troopers and road crews could not locate him. Car ran out of gas and he died. Maybe he lived a while longer in his gas powered vehicle but he still died.

    Replies: @bomag, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Mike Tre, @LP5

    The only guarantee in life is, sooner or later, death.

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
    @Mike Tre

    Also, negroes. Oh, and TPTB.

    (Q: Why does life suck in Current Year America?)

  71. @zoos
    Meanwhile, Adolph Hitler is on the move…

    https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1478852313066483712?s=20

    Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin

    Re: Adolf Hitler Uunona

    This dude should be President of Namibia one day. He certainly can’t be worse than any of the clowns or criminals who now hold high office in the US.

    But his name might work against him. I mean, how in the hell do you pronounce Uunona? (That’s a name I’d love to see Brandon or “Dr.” Brandon try to pronounce.)

  72. @Goatweed
    Someone suggested the test could be used in concussion lawsuits.

    Replies: @nokangaroos, @Hypnotoad666

    At one point they were trying to calculate CTE damage based on how many IQ points a player had lost. So they were effectively telling black players: “You don’t have CTE, you just weren’t that smart to begin with.” That went over about as well as you would expect.

  73. Long a source of controversy given the irrelevance of the scores and other factors that make the outcomes unreliable

    Classic leftist robo-writing:

    “… despite Trump’s false claims of election irregularities, which are false because I just said so… And hey, if they were true, surely you would have read about them in this newspaper or the Democrats would have convened a special commission to look into the matter.”

    The scores are “irrelevant” to what? They may not be a foolproof predictor of success in the NFL, but what’s the harm in screening for functional retards? I think we all know the answer to this.

  74. Sure, you can cheat up front, then do a legit test post-career and then sue the league for your Dain Bramage. I can see why the league might not want pre-draft testing.

  75. @Twinkie
    First they will hide IQ tests (or some proxies) results, then they will decline to use them, and finally they will make them illegal. Along with no pictures or races of criminals in the media, of course.

    If data are inconvenient, just get rid of the data and make data-collection illegal.

    We will just be left with our own lying eyes in our (limited) individual lives.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @res

    Agreed.

    We will just be left with our own lying eyes in our (limited) individual lives.

    And lots of “anecdote is not data” being shouted at us.

    Useful rule of thumb. Whoever is hiding the data is lying.

  76. @ScarletNumber
    Well Florio hit all of the correct talking points, so he will get to keep his job. However, I disagree with Steve's ultimate point. I don't think the public has an ultimate right to anyone's Wonderlic score, and if teams can't keep them secure, then they should go.

    Replies: @res, @AnotherDad, @Feryl

    That’s a reasonable point. Though I’m not sure how different the Wonderlic results are in that respect from all of the physical data made public as part of the draft combine.
    https://www.pro-football-reference.com/draft/2020-combine.htm

  77. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    Former Ravens guard and First Team All-Big Ten, John Urschel, gives talk on An Introduction to Determinantal Point Processes--
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-dH7oLrcBQ

    At Institute for Advanced Study, former institution of Einstein, Gödel, von Neumann, amongst many other luminaries.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Alfa158, @fish

    Troofy…..if you must always fly the flag this is where you oughta be hoisting it!

  78. @Mike Tre
    OT:

    https://twitter.com/TheWizardsQuest/status/1478539091365044225?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1478539091365044225%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fdirectorblue.blogspot.com%2F

    Replies: @Wade Hampton, @Buffalo Joe, @possumman, @AnotherDad

    I understand that they burn well and for a long time so there is that

    • LOL: bomag
  79. @slumber_j
    @Alfa158


    When she looked in the mirror and saw the resulting teased out rats nest look she would cry out “Ahh! I’ve got math hair!”
     
    Funny: a late ex-girlfriend of mine used to call that effect "f***head."

    Replies: @fish

    Context man…..context.

  80. @Grahamsno(G64)
    Just what's the point of giving IQ tests to sportsmen it's preposterous like giving physicals to physicists. How many scientists would pass the standard Marines physicals?

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education

    How many scientists would pass the standard Marines physicals?

    One time, while going up a SF hill at the tail-end of my daily, middle-distance run, I deliberately throttled-up my sort of bell lap kick, in order to blow past a small group of Marine exercisers-runners. Each one was about half my age.

    I got PO’d when I saw them snickering at some old guy — twice my age — ahead of me, who they had just passed on the same hill.

  81. @anon.
    Instead of eliminating the IQ test at the beginning of their careers, shouldn't they add an IQ test at the end, in order to measure the brain damage?

    Or maybe this is about burying the evidence.

    Replies: @EdwardM, @Mark Roulo

    “Instead of eliminating the IQ test at the beginning of their careers, shouldn’t they add an IQ test at the end, in order to measure the brain damage?”

    There is an incentives problem here. If I can take a test at the end of my career and the worse I do on the test the more money I get paid, then, um …

  82. leacherreport.com/articles/609895-2011-nfl-draft-10-worst-wonderlic-scores-in-combine-history

  83. @Barnard
    They won't use it on the down low, players will refuse to take it and report any team that pressures them to take as racist. The test will provide very little reward for high risk of negative press going forward. They should be able to tell which guys are morons in a pre draft interview without it.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @ScarletNumber, @Bill Jones

    The issue is not spotting the morons. Spotting the morons during interviews is racist, to safely spot the moron you need an independent objective source.
    Fortunately, all independent objective sources are irrelevant.

  84. @Buffalo Joe
    @Mike Tre

    Mike, just a couple of years ago, here in WNY, a driver was buried in his car during a near blizzard. Stayed in touch with his family by cell phone, but troopers and road crews could not locate him. Car ran out of gas and he died. Maybe he lived a while longer in his gas powered vehicle but he still died.

    Replies: @bomag, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Mike Tre, @LP5

    Mike, just a couple of years ago, here in WNY, a driver was buried in his car during a near blizzard.

    Cue Jimmy Buffett singing Mañana, withpeople freezin’ up in Buffalo stuck in their cars and I’m lyin’ here ‘neath the sun and the stars.

    Stay safe, Joe.

    • LOL: bomag
  85. @ScarletNumber
    @james wilson


    The Patriots a few years ago had a practice squad running back promoted due to a running back injury and he immediately gained 200 yards, was late for the next practice, and cut
     
    They also benched Malcolm Butler for Super Bowl LI, only two years after the game-winning interception in Super Bowl XLIX.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    They also benched Malcolm Butler for Super Bowl LI, only two years after the game-winning interception in Super Bowl XLIX.

    I have never heard a good explanation for the benching of MB. He only won the Super Bowl against the Seahawks with his goal line interception. Probably only Bill B knows.

    The Patriots barely lost that SB against Philly; Malcolm Butler might have made the difference.

  86. Old America going out of business…

    Everything must go!

    • Thanks: AceDeuce
  87. @Arclight
    I would think team meetings and practices quickly reveal which players have the capacity to learn and execute the playbook and those that do not. I suppose that with the size of an NFL roster a screening test might be somewhat useful, but when it comes to the draft it seems like there is still an awful lot of guesswork about how players might pan out in the league.

    Loved all the Key & Peele clips. They often parody black culture and yet Jordan Peele is sort of ultra woke anyway...both of them are mixed race, and from Hannah Jones on down, it seems like that's the type that really goes all in on racial justice due to some sort of insecurity about their identity.

    Replies: @Mark Roulo, @Johann Ricke

    I would think team meetings and practices quickly reveal which players have the capacity to learn and execute the playbook and those that do not. I suppose that with the size of an NFL roster a screening test might be somewhat useful, but when it comes to the draft it seems like there is still an awful lot of guesswork about how players might pan out in the league.

    Which is (one reason) why the NFL doesn’t administer the wonderlic to players already in the league.

    But the teams would like to avoid situations where they just signed some rookie to a multi-million dollar contract and then discover that he can’t learn or execute the playbook.

    My best guess is that the teams just spend a bit more time talking to the college coaches. The college coaches should be incentivized to tell the truth because the coaching world is small and reputation matters.

  88. I actually think this is pretty reasonable. Having to publish your IQ test results on the internet is a bit much.

  89. Eliminate the perverse incentive by setting a player’s maximum share of settlement dollars to his highest two scores, reduced by his difference-weighted, lowest score. But I think it’s just US tort system baloney that allows a player to collect in the first place. If you want to avoid CTE, then consider another line of work, e.g. the PGA tour.

  90. @KenH
    Ok, so will the NFL now abandon the 40yd dash and vertical jump test since that favors black players?

    Any tests where blacks outperform whites are ok while any tests where whites outperform blacks are evil, racist and "unreliable" and gets the axe.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    while any tests where whites outperform blacks are evil, racist and “unreliable” and gets the axe.

    And “meaningless.”

  91. @Ben tillman
    @Mike Tre

    You’re underrating him. As I’ve said before, he bats a steady .286, just like Vada Pinson.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Truth

    Vada’s a good comparison, he’s not just a -smidge- beneath hall-of-famer, he’s a -smidge- beneath the guys who are a -smidge- beneath hall-of-famer.

    But I’ll take that, with the 4 or 5 Unz all-star games I’ve played in.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Truth

    2757 career hits; 256 career home runs; starting center fielder.

    Vada Pinson was an extremely accomplished professional baseball player. In 1988 he received a 15% vote for the Hall of Fame which was his highest total. Also it is recorded he took a swing at a baseball writer who suggested he could get on base more if he took more bunts (in pitchers' era a lot of guys bunted for hits all the time like Matty Alou and Lou Brock and Maury Wills). That couldn't possibly have added to his Hall of Fame vote totals.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  92. @ScarletNumber
    Well Florio hit all of the correct talking points, so he will get to keep his job. However, I disagree with Steve's ultimate point. I don't think the public has an ultimate right to anyone's Wonderlic score, and if teams can't keep them secure, then they should go.

    Replies: @res, @AnotherDad, @Feryl

    I don’t think the public has an ultimate right to anyone’s Wonderlic score, and if teams can’t keep them secure, then they should go.

    The public does not have any right to their times in the 40 either. (I don’t reveal mine either. Though i can tell you if my neighbor encourages me with say a cold beer on his patio, i can be under a minute getting over there.)

    However, these guys aren’t random school kids, they have decided to make a career as professional athlete–making big \$\$\$–and in the process agree to their capabilities and behavior both accessed by employers and observed and commented upon by fans. Don’t like that tradeoff–get a different job.

  93. @Mike Tre
    OT:

    https://twitter.com/TheWizardsQuest/status/1478539091365044225?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1478539091365044225%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fdirectorblue.blogspot.com%2F

    Replies: @Wade Hampton, @Buffalo Joe, @possumman, @AnotherDad

    Anybody want to try the over/under death count from freezing if all the cars were electric?

    A tiny bit of thought here:

    Is there some reason to suspect that an electric car is comparatively worse at turning its battery energy into heat, than a gasoline car? Seems pretty clear to me it is comparatively better, much better. Electric resistance heating is very efficient–the energy loss pretty much *is* the heat. In contrast, idling your gasoline engine, enough to heat the coolant and getting–some–heat transfer from that hot coolant into your car is actually piss poor.

    My rough estimate would be at idle you can run your engine for an hour on a gallon. So if you have say 10 gallons left in the tank when stranded you have 10 heater hours, which of course you can stretch to last a couple days.

    Much less informed about electrics–no experience with one–but i’d venture that if there’s a couple hundred miles of battery charge left–while that is much less actual energy content than the 10 gallons of gas–that is sufficient to run your much more efficient electric heater a pretty darn long time, probably longer than the car.

    ~~

    My overall take: look at the weather and stay home!

  94. @PaceLaw
    I can definitely can see both sides of this. Professional football teams are definitely investing significant sums of money into these young men, so I can see how they would want to get a handle on how mature and intelligent they are. But at the same time, what do the scores fully predict? Just look at players like Antonio Brown, who recently melted down on the field on Sunday, but who has had a long and profitable career even though I’m sure he scored in the single digits on this test. Something tells me that Ray Lewis, the Hall of Fame linebacker from the Baltimore Ravens, also scored very poorly. At the end of the day, professional football is a violent game so I don’t know how much IQ (outside of a few skill positions such as quarterback) really matters.

    Replies: @bomag

    don’t know how much IQ… really matters

    As in most areas,

    1) There’s a floor, after which other factors start to weigh more heavily.

    2) Everything else being equal, the smarter prospect is a better bet.

  95. I think getting rid the cognitive test for NFL Draft is different than the case for college admission:

    For the former, the selection mechanism won’t really be affected, since the importance of cognitive skills weighs far less, Hall of Famers Marino/Kelly/Bradshaw each had Wonderlics around 15. Dumb teams will still shell out huge cash to top draft picks that turn into busts. While Belichick makes an art of finding the most talent to fit under salary cap, despite of not having top draft picks.

    For the latter, the selection mechanism was not working as intended by TPTB, so the SAT is discarded.

    I say college admission should include SAT, 40-yard dash, and benchpress.

  96. @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Buffalo Joe


    Stayed in touch with his family by cell phone, but troopers and road crews could not locate him. Car ran out of gas and he died.
     
    The troopers were unable to call the cell phone company and triangulate the fellow's rough position between towers?

    Seems odd.

    Replies: @Technite78

    The troopers were unable to call the cell phone company and triangulate the fellow’s rough position between towers?

    If it was a smartphone, he should have been able to give his potential rescuers a GPS position accurate to a roughly 30 foot radius circle (or better, depending on satellite visibility). OTOH, I know of someone who became lost on a desert trail with a smartphone that was out of cellular voice range, but still had text messaging service. They texted for help, but didn’t know how to send GPS coordinates, and the rescue took much longer than necessary.

    How many of you know how to access the GPS coordinates of your cellphone? It may come in handy some day.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Technite78

    How do you find your GPS coordinates on an Android phone?

    Replies: @Technite78, @res, @Joe Stalin

  97. @Technite78
    @The Wild Geese Howard


    The troopers were unable to call the cell phone company and triangulate the fellow’s rough position between towers?
     
    If it was a smartphone, he should have been able to give his potential rescuers a GPS position accurate to a roughly 30 foot radius circle (or better, depending on satellite visibility). OTOH, I know of someone who became lost on a desert trail with a smartphone that was out of cellular voice range, but still had text messaging service. They texted for help, but didn't know how to send GPS coordinates, and the rescue took much longer than necessary.

    How many of you know how to access the GPS coordinates of your cellphone? It may come in handy some day.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    How do you find your GPS coordinates on an Android phone?

    • Replies: @Technite78
    @Steve Sailer

    I haven't owned an Android phone, so I can't say for sure...

    I'd imagine any of the direction-finding applications (i.e. Google Maps) have the ability to show you your current GPS position... the default "Maps" app and Google Maps on the iPhone do this by tapping on your current location in the map.

    Additionally, there would likely be a few free apps that access the phone's built-in compass, accelerometer, and GPS receiver and display their status.

    Replies: @FPD72

    , @res
    @Steve Sailer

    Google Maps is probably the easiest commonly available way.
    https://www.alphr.com/find-gps-coordinates-android/

    , @Joe Stalin
    @Steve Sailer

    Try the "Physics Toolbox Sensor Suite" on your Play Store for a free download.

    https://physics-toolbox-suite.en.uptodown.com/android

    Has cool stuff like an oscilloscope, frequency counter, spectrum analyzer as well your GPS coordinates.

    GREAT FUN for your science oriented kids.

    Guarantied!

    Replies: @Brutusale

  98. @Steve Sailer
    @Technite78

    How do you find your GPS coordinates on an Android phone?

    Replies: @Technite78, @res, @Joe Stalin

    I haven’t owned an Android phone, so I can’t say for sure…

    I’d imagine any of the direction-finding applications (i.e. Google Maps) have the ability to show you your current GPS position… the default “Maps” app and Google Maps on the iPhone do this by tapping on your current location in the map.

    Additionally, there would likely be a few free apps that access the phone’s built-in compass, accelerometer, and GPS receiver and display their status.

    • Replies: @FPD72
    @Technite78

    The compass app on my iPhone gives the coordinates at the bottom of the screen: no tapping necessary.

  99. @Steve Sailer
    @Technite78

    How do you find your GPS coordinates on an Android phone?

    Replies: @Technite78, @res, @Joe Stalin

    Google Maps is probably the easiest commonly available way.
    https://www.alphr.com/find-gps-coordinates-android/

  100. @Unit472
    Why not invite potential players to shoot a game of pool but make them have to sink the shot while one or two balls are in motion? Isn't that the kind of spatial awareness you want in a football player?

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    You need to test for impulse control as well, so you’re not dealing with a lot of PR disasters associated with players indicted for rape, murder, dogfighting, etc. There’s a decent correlation between IQ and impulse control, so if you get a player with a decent Wonderlic score it lowers the odds the team will one day have to issue a press release distancing the organization from a player indicted for violent crimes.

    That was the point Colin Cowherd made in a monologue I happened to catch on sportstalk radio once. I bet he reads iSteve.

    Also, football at the pro level is complicated in other ways. Players winging it on on intuitive spatial awareness thru high school and college will have a hard time. At the pro level, everybody’s got exquisite spatial awareness. You also need pattern recognition and memorization and strategic thinking. You also need good social skills, like nerdy guys like Eli and Payton Manning motivating their bigger, stronger teammates to fight like hell for them. Apparently everyone on the Pats hated Aaron Rodriguez and the normally sharp Bill Belichik should have seen that coming, starting with the gang tats.

    I’m guessing teams will find other ways to test for impulse control and weed out violent dumbasses.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @The Anti-Gnostic


    I’m guessing teams will find other ways to test for impulse control and weed out violent dumbasses.
     
    Teams not the Las Vegas Raiders, probably. The guy they cut for posting a video of himself with drug-dealer-style pistol threatening a law-abiding Las Vegas citizen was a known knucklehead when they drafted him in the first round. Great 40 yard dash time, though.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    , @Feryl
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Many of those close to Hernandez thought he was a latent or closeted homosexual. His last girlfriend (maybe fiance?) said he was irritable around her and showed her little physical affection. A musclebound psycho with repressed gayness what could go wrong.?

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

  101. @Brutusale
    @EdwardM

    I think that Bill Belichick already has a pretty good idea of who the brighter players are. ;-)

    That said, I would guess that this year's squad may be his blackest team.

    Replies: @Unladen Swallow

    Not at the QB position anymore, the rookie Mac Jones replaced Cam Newton, who is busy reminding Carolina why they cut him in the first place.

  102. @Arclight
    I would think team meetings and practices quickly reveal which players have the capacity to learn and execute the playbook and those that do not. I suppose that with the size of an NFL roster a screening test might be somewhat useful, but when it comes to the draft it seems like there is still an awful lot of guesswork about how players might pan out in the league.

    Loved all the Key & Peele clips. They often parody black culture and yet Jordan Peele is sort of ultra woke anyway...both of them are mixed race, and from Hannah Jones on down, it seems like that's the type that really goes all in on racial justice due to some sort of insecurity about their identity.

    Replies: @Mark Roulo, @Johann Ricke

    They often parody black culture and yet Jordan Peele is sort of ultra woke anyway…both of them are mixed race, and from Hannah Jones on down, it seems like that’s the type that really goes all in on racial justice due to some sort of insecurity about their identity.

    Or perhaps to not just further entrench, but enhance their caste privileges. Wouldn’t it be nice if they became heavy hitters to the extent that that they can personally dictate policy and become the equivalent of billionaire plutocrats? Never underestimate the lure of personal advantage in getting people to clamber onto ideological wagons. Don’t think of them as ideologies so much as buses for people to gain power, prestige and personal perks.

  103. @Truth
    @Ben tillman

    Vada's a good comparison, he's not just a -smidge- beneath hall-of-famer, he's a -smidge- beneath the guys who are a -smidge- beneath hall-of-famer.

    But I'll take that, with the 4 or 5 Unz all-star games I've played in.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    2757 career hits; 256 career home runs; starting center fielder.

    Vada Pinson was an extremely accomplished professional baseball player. In 1988 he received a 15% vote for the Hall of Fame which was his highest total. Also it is recorded he took a swing at a baseball writer who suggested he could get on base more if he took more bunts (in pitchers’ era a lot of guys bunted for hits all the time like Matty Alou and Lou Brock and Maury Wills). That couldn’t possibly have added to his Hall of Fame vote totals.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Bill James says that Vada Pinson was actually two years older than his official listed birthdate, so his career shouldn't seem disappointing, as it struck many after his spectacular early years. His peak seasons weren't actually ages 20, 22, 24, and 26, but in truth a more normal 22, 24, 26, and 28, and he played all the way thru age 38.

    And when the Pitcher's Era ended in 1969, he wasn't 30 but was 32, so it's not surprising he didn't turn back into a .300 hitter.

    So, a terrific career, one just a little short of the Hall of Fame.

  104. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Unit472

    You need to test for impulse control as well, so you're not dealing with a lot of PR disasters associated with players indicted for rape, murder, dogfighting, etc. There's a decent correlation between IQ and impulse control, so if you get a player with a decent Wonderlic score it lowers the odds the team will one day have to issue a press release distancing the organization from a player indicted for violent crimes.

    That was the point Colin Cowherd made in a monologue I happened to catch on sportstalk radio once. I bet he reads iSteve.

    Also, football at the pro level is complicated in other ways. Players winging it on on intuitive spatial awareness thru high school and college will have a hard time. At the pro level, everybody's got exquisite spatial awareness. You also need pattern recognition and memorization and strategic thinking. You also need good social skills, like nerdy guys like Eli and Payton Manning motivating their bigger, stronger teammates to fight like hell for them. Apparently everyone on the Pats hated Aaron Rodriguez and the normally sharp Bill Belichik should have seen that coming, starting with the gang tats.

    I'm guessing teams will find other ways to test for impulse control and weed out violent dumbasses.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Feryl

    I’m guessing teams will find other ways to test for impulse control and weed out violent dumbasses.

    Teams not the Las Vegas Raiders, probably. The guy they cut for posting a video of himself with drug-dealer-style pistol threatening a law-abiding Las Vegas citizen was a known knucklehead when they drafted him in the first round. Great 40 yard dash time, though.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Yeh. Or maybe they won't.

  105. @ScarletNumber
    Well Florio hit all of the correct talking points, so he will get to keep his job. However, I disagree with Steve's ultimate point. I don't think the public has an ultimate right to anyone's Wonderlic score, and if teams can't keep them secure, then they should go.

    Replies: @res, @AnotherDad, @Feryl

    Back in the day Pro Football Talk ran a police blotter called the “turd watch”. Then the site was bought by NBC and the police blotter vanished. No surprise, since you could count on warrants being issued/arrests being made pretty often.

    Anyway, WRT hypocrisy, of course those of high SES who spout woke stuff would, never in a million years, actually live in the ghetto or send their kids to an inner city public school. You may have seen the recent NYTimes article which described elite urban white libs consistently showing, via their actions, that they don’t really believe lofty woke rhetoric about racial harmony and uplift, but rather, are aloof and stingy. How far will Woke whites go to prove that they really are the good whites? Well, as we’ve seen so far the preferred solution is to destroy less woke whites rather than actually live in accordance with principles of harmony and equality (all those who have or aspire to have high SES are obsessed with proving their superiority these days, so much for believing in equality).

  106. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Unit472

    You need to test for impulse control as well, so you're not dealing with a lot of PR disasters associated with players indicted for rape, murder, dogfighting, etc. There's a decent correlation between IQ and impulse control, so if you get a player with a decent Wonderlic score it lowers the odds the team will one day have to issue a press release distancing the organization from a player indicted for violent crimes.

    That was the point Colin Cowherd made in a monologue I happened to catch on sportstalk radio once. I bet he reads iSteve.

    Also, football at the pro level is complicated in other ways. Players winging it on on intuitive spatial awareness thru high school and college will have a hard time. At the pro level, everybody's got exquisite spatial awareness. You also need pattern recognition and memorization and strategic thinking. You also need good social skills, like nerdy guys like Eli and Payton Manning motivating their bigger, stronger teammates to fight like hell for them. Apparently everyone on the Pats hated Aaron Rodriguez and the normally sharp Bill Belichik should have seen that coming, starting with the gang tats.

    I'm guessing teams will find other ways to test for impulse control and weed out violent dumbasses.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Feryl

    Many of those close to Hernandez thought he was a latent or closeted homosexual. His last girlfriend (maybe fiance?) said he was irritable around her and showed her little physical affection. A musclebound psycho with repressed gayness what could go wrong.?

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Feryl

    She looked like a dead-eyed savage in her own right:

    https://i.imgur.com/EWDK4BR.jpg

    Replies: @Feryl

  107. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Truth

    2757 career hits; 256 career home runs; starting center fielder.

    Vada Pinson was an extremely accomplished professional baseball player. In 1988 he received a 15% vote for the Hall of Fame which was his highest total. Also it is recorded he took a swing at a baseball writer who suggested he could get on base more if he took more bunts (in pitchers' era a lot of guys bunted for hits all the time like Matty Alou and Lou Brock and Maury Wills). That couldn't possibly have added to his Hall of Fame vote totals.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Bill James says that Vada Pinson was actually two years older than his official listed birthdate, so his career shouldn’t seem disappointing, as it struck many after his spectacular early years. His peak seasons weren’t actually ages 20, 22, 24, and 26, but in truth a more normal 22, 24, 26, and 28, and he played all the way thru age 38.

    And when the Pitcher’s Era ended in 1969, he wasn’t 30 but was 32, so it’s not surprising he didn’t turn back into a .300 hitter.

    So, a terrific career, one just a little short of the Hall of Fame.

    • Agree: ben tillman
  108. @Mike Tre
    @Buffalo Joe

    The only guarantee in life is, sooner or later, death.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans

    Also, negroes. Oh, and TPTB.

    (Q: Why does life suck in Current Year America?)

  109. @Feryl
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Many of those close to Hernandez thought he was a latent or closeted homosexual. His last girlfriend (maybe fiance?) said he was irritable around her and showed her little physical affection. A musclebound psycho with repressed gayness what could go wrong.?

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    She looked like a dead-eyed savage in her own right:

    • Replies: @Feryl
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Looks like he chose his girlfriend (beard, really) because she could help him intimidate people. Why do women let themselves get used as beards? Well, if the provider can provide lots of money, I guess it's ok to be in a cynical relationship (some beards also have said that they did have basically a platonic friendship with the gay dudes they're hitched to).

    Replies: @Hibernian

  110. @Technite78
    @Steve Sailer

    I haven't owned an Android phone, so I can't say for sure...

    I'd imagine any of the direction-finding applications (i.e. Google Maps) have the ability to show you your current GPS position... the default "Maps" app and Google Maps on the iPhone do this by tapping on your current location in the map.

    Additionally, there would likely be a few free apps that access the phone's built-in compass, accelerometer, and GPS receiver and display their status.

    Replies: @FPD72

    The compass app on my iPhone gives the coordinates at the bottom of the screen: no tapping necessary.

  111. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @The Anti-Gnostic


    I’m guessing teams will find other ways to test for impulse control and weed out violent dumbasses.
     
    Teams not the Las Vegas Raiders, probably. The guy they cut for posting a video of himself with drug-dealer-style pistol threatening a law-abiding Las Vegas citizen was a known knucklehead when they drafted him in the first round. Great 40 yard dash time, though.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    Yeh. Or maybe they won’t.

  112. @Steve Sailer
    @Technite78

    How do you find your GPS coordinates on an Android phone?

    Replies: @Technite78, @res, @Joe Stalin

    Try the “Physics Toolbox Sensor Suite” on your Play Store for a free download.

    https://physics-toolbox-suite.en.uptodown.com/android

    Has cool stuff like an oscilloscope, frequency counter, spectrum analyzer as well your GPS coordinates.

    GREAT FUN for your science oriented kids.

    Guarantied!

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Joe Stalin

    Thanks, Joe. I've been playing with the damned app all afternoon!

  113. Wonderlic scores run 1-50. The article gives Cooper-Kupp 132, and somebody else 140. What’s up?

    • Replies: @Janus
    @fondolo

    See my reply to AndrewR.

  114. @AndrewR
    The top score is 50 so how did they get over 100? Retard

    Replies: @Janus

    He used a Wonderlic to IQ conversion table. Calvin Johnson scored a 40 and Cooper Kupp scored a 37. Those convert to 140 and 132, respectively. Retard.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Janus

    Hope sailer sees this

    Replies: @Janus, @Janus

  115. @fondolo
    Wonderlic scores run 1-50. The article gives Cooper-Kupp 132, and somebody else 140. What's up?

    Replies: @Janus

    See my reply to AndrewR.

  116. @Janus
    @AndrewR

    He used a Wonderlic to IQ conversion table. Calvin Johnson scored a 40 and Cooper Kupp scored a 37. Those convert to 140 and 132, respectively. Retard.


    https://pumpkinperson.files.wordpress.com/2019/01/wonderlic.png

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Hope sailer sees this

    • Replies: @Janus
    @AndrewR

    Why? It's not like there's anything shameful in that Steve went to the extra step of converting the Wonderlic scores into the IQ scale which most of his readers would be more familiar with. If anything, he was doing Calvin Johnson, who is black, a service by highlighting just how impressive his score was. You're the one who needed to see it for assuming Steve somehow didn't know the Wonderlic was scored on a 0-50 scale. Of course he knew that. You're the retard for smugly thinking you had gotcha'd him.

    , @Janus
    @AndrewR

    Check out Steve's column from 3/30/18 entitled "Wonderlic IQ Scores for NFL QB Prospects". This column shows that not only is Steve well aware that the top score on the Wonderlic is 50, he didn't even need an outside table to convert the Wonderlic scores into their IQ equivalents. The conversion formula is very simple.

  117. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Feryl

    She looked like a dead-eyed savage in her own right:

    https://i.imgur.com/EWDK4BR.jpg

    Replies: @Feryl

    Looks like he chose his girlfriend (beard, really) because she could help him intimidate people. Why do women let themselves get used as beards? Well, if the provider can provide lots of money, I guess it’s ok to be in a cynical relationship (some beards also have said that they did have basically a platonic friendship with the gay dudes they’re hitched to).

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Feryl

    A very famous such couple (allegedly) with their friend Henry K.:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ed_Koch,_Bess_Myerson,_and_Henry_Kissinger_at_Stephen_S._Wise_Award_Dinner_(8451054025).jpg

  118. @AndrewR
    @Janus

    Hope sailer sees this

    Replies: @Janus, @Janus

    Why? It’s not like there’s anything shameful in that Steve went to the extra step of converting the Wonderlic scores into the IQ scale which most of his readers would be more familiar with. If anything, he was doing Calvin Johnson, who is black, a service by highlighting just how impressive his score was. You’re the one who needed to see it for assuming Steve somehow didn’t know the Wonderlic was scored on a 0-50 scale. Of course he knew that. You’re the retard for smugly thinking you had gotcha’d him.

  119. @AndrewR
    @Janus

    Hope sailer sees this

    Replies: @Janus, @Janus

    Check out Steve’s column from 3/30/18 entitled “Wonderlic IQ Scores for NFL QB Prospects”. This column shows that not only is Steve well aware that the top score on the Wonderlic is 50, he didn’t even need an outside table to convert the Wonderlic scores into their IQ equivalents. The conversion formula is very simple.

  120. @Feryl
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Looks like he chose his girlfriend (beard, really) because she could help him intimidate people. Why do women let themselves get used as beards? Well, if the provider can provide lots of money, I guess it's ok to be in a cynical relationship (some beards also have said that they did have basically a platonic friendship with the gay dudes they're hitched to).

    Replies: @Hibernian

    A very famous such couple (allegedly) with their friend Henry K.:

  121. @Joe Stalin
    @Steve Sailer

    Try the "Physics Toolbox Sensor Suite" on your Play Store for a free download.

    https://physics-toolbox-suite.en.uptodown.com/android

    Has cool stuff like an oscilloscope, frequency counter, spectrum analyzer as well your GPS coordinates.

    GREAT FUN for your science oriented kids.

    Guarantied!

    Replies: @Brutusale

    Thanks, Joe. I’ve been playing with the damned app all afternoon!

Comments are closed.

Subscribe to All Steve Sailer Comments via RSS
PastClassics
Analyzing the History of a Controversial Movement
The Shaping Event of Our Modern World
Becker update V1.3.2
How America was neoconned into World War IV
The Surprising Elements of Talmudic Judaism