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From the New York Times entertainment section:

After Oscar Season’s Wildest Week, a Troubling Takeaway
As the field continues to narrow, female filmmakers and actors of color appear increasingly sidelined.

By Kyle Buchanan
Jan. 8, 2020, 1:06 p.m. ET

The week before the Oscar nominations on Jan. 13 was meant to be the most exciting phase of awards season yet: After a glittery Golden Globes ceremony on Sunday, many of the most important industry guilds and groups weighed in with their own nominations during the next two days, helping to clarify the Oscar race and winnow down the ultimate list of contenders.

So why is your Carpetbagger in no mood to celebrate?

Because that narrowing list has begun to exclude not just some of the most exciting performances and films of the season, but also many of the movies directed by women or featuring people of color. And though the academy, which is due to release its nominations next week, has taken great pains to diversify itself since the years of #OscarsSoWhite, this past week suggests that other awards bodies still have a lot of soul-searching to do, and that this issue may require a total shift in what’s considered weighty and worthy.

Just look at BAFTA, the British awards group that issued a list of nominations on Tuesday that failed to include even a single actor of color. … though BAFTA still found room in that category to nominate Margot Robbie for playing two different blondes.

Does BAFTA have a blind spot when it comes to race? I’ll just note that this group has failed to ever nominate Denzel Washington or Morgan Freeman, even though the two men have 13 Oscar nominations for acting and three Academy Award statuettes between them. That’s one awfully concerted cold shoulder.

Perhaps the British group didn’t view Denzel Washington or Morgan Freeman as British?

But this is another good example of how wokeness tends to boil down to “Beyonce’s 22 Grammys Aren’t Enough” thinking: Denzel and Morgan need more prizes! IMDB lists 79 nominations for Morgan and 169 for Denzel, but that’s just not enough!

But the problem extends far past BAFTA: Over the last decade, all but one of the Oscar wins for actors of color have come in the supporting categories. …

Instead, the guild nominated Martin Scorsese (“The Irishman”), Quentin Tarantino (“Once Upon a Time … in Hollywood”), Sam Mendes (“1917”), Bong Joon Ho (“Parasite”) and Taika Waititi (“Jojo Rabbit”). Both BAFTA and the Golden Globes substituted the “Joker” director Todd Phillips for Waititi, but no matter how you slice it, these are male-dominated movies, and nearly all of them feature a panoply of violent acts (with murders that include stabbings, hangings, shootings and death by flamethrower). …

When pressed about these sorts of snubs, awards voters will often deflect: Their job, they insist, is merely to select the best possible contenders, regardless of race or gender. Still, the homogeneous group of gatekeepers that came before us still affects so much of what we consider worthy of canonization. Changing those entrenched attitudes will require not just diverse membership rolls, but a willingness to investigate who and what we deem important. It won’t be easy to celebrate the wins to come when it’s clear that so much is still lost.

I suspect we are going to hear increasing numbers of calls for abolishing the Secret Ballot. How can Morgan Freeman win enough awards if people are allowed to not vote for him privately? All voting must be public to make sure the Right People win.

 
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  1. Steve may not be an expert on foreign policy, but he is a crack culture blogger.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    Yeah. All of those "Best Movie" nominations suck. And he "likes" them. Yeah, he's crack something alright.
  2. We must achieve equilibrium in film awards, as in everything.

    It’s that simple. That is the ne plus ultra, the tikkun olam, the objective of all high-thinking people. They are better than you. They went to better colleges. STFU and eat your shiksa.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    When are the "better colleges" scheduled to get some of that sweet, sweet EQ
    , @Anonymous

    We must achieve equilibrium in film awards, as in everything.
     
    The preferred term is 'inclusion'. But the notion of inclusion is contradictory. In order to have the power to include, one must also have the power to exclude. After all, 'inclusion' becomes meaningless in an open system. Whether you want to include or not, anyone can enter an open system. Take a park for instance. Anyone can go there.

    In contrast, inclusion applies only to closed systems because a choice has to be made to include certain peoples. And that means it must be within the frame of exclusion. If a system cannot exclude at all, then it's an open system, and the policy of inclusion becomes moot because no one has the power to include or exclude. What's the point of choosing to include when you no longer have that choice as ANYONE can enter.

    And globalism is an open system for peoples but closed systems for individuals who can afford it. In a way, it's like a return to the old system where the powerful had castles to protect themselves and their property but the massed did not and just fell under the power of the latest invaders.

    To the elites, open global system and closed individual system work fine. Open global system means that the national pitchforkers will be invaded, mixed, and/or replaced, but the elites in their closed individual communities will remain safe and affluent.
  3. I didn’t want to post it, what with more important stuff like Virginia and Iran happening, but right after the Golden Globes there was an entertainment news headline that Academy Award judges had better focus on diversity, and there’s a Grauniadator who (for real, it’s not the parody site) didn’t like Joker and found the lack of diversity at the Globes “baffling,” seeing as black achievement is so obvious and frequently demonstrated.

    https://postimg.cc/qNhsTmwB
    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/jan/07/colossally-overrated-joker-beneficiary-of-bafta-awards-groupthink

  4. Anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Create racial categories. Best white actor, best black actor, best brown actor, best yellow actor, best homo actor, best tranny actor, best mestizo or mulatto actor, etc. That way, everyone is happy.

    Btw, has Tarantino ever got the prize other than for writing? Not that he is deserving of critical praise(though I haven’t seen Hollywood).

    It used to be that the main complaint about Hollywood is the best movies generally aren’t nominated. And if they are, they don’t win. Now, it’s the usual anti-white wokey-pokey nonsense.

    Also, if POWER is what the ‘discourse’ all about, shouldn’t the real controversy be that Hollywood is Jewish run-and-owned despite the fact that most actors and crew are goyim? It’s like music moguls and sports franchise moguls also tend to be Jewish even though the big stars are white or black. Oscars are not even gold but made of cheap clay. To whom are the real shekels going to? That should be the real question.

    But we get more Mott-Bail nonsense about the stupid Oscars, which was created in the first place to give false impression that Hollywood is about art and culture when it’s about the money. No, the question we have for NYT is why Hollywood moguls are mostly Jewish. Why when so many actors and crew and audience are not.

    KMG on a book on Hollywood.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna

    Create racial categories. Best white actor, best black actor, best brown actor, best yellow actor, best homo actor, best tranny actor, best mestizo or mulatto actor, etc. That way, everyone is happy.
     
    Oh, it'll happen all right. And 'whites' will be just another category like 'trans-latinx' and a hundred others. Everyone's equal! How to hide the dispossession.

    Also, if POWER is what the ‘discourse’ all about, shouldn’t the real controversy be that Hollywood is Jewish run-and-owned despite the fact that most actors and crew are goyim? It’s like music moguls and sports franchise moguls also tend to be Jewish even though the big stars are white or black.
     
    Oh snap, another Nazi on board!
    , @danand

    “Best white actor, best black actor, best brown actor, best yellow actor, best homo actor, best tranny actor, best mestizo or mulatto actor, etc. That way, everyone is happy.”
     
    #425, you’re right, everyone deserves to be happy. Not a movie, but they are bringing back an updated to current standards teen sitcom; one that is sure to snag an award among those you suggested.

    Saved by the Bell TV sequel:

    Original stars Mario Lopez and Elizabeth Berkley will reprise their roles as A.C. Slater and Jessie Spano, respectively, in the single-camera comedy that explores what happens when California Gov. Zack Morris gets into hot water for closing too many low-income high schools and proposes the affected students be sent to the highest-performing schools in the state — including Bayside High.

    Josie Totah will star as Lexi, a beautiful, sharp-tongued cheerleader and the most popular girl at Bayside High who is both admired and feared by her fellow students.

    The role brings Totah back into the NBCUniversal fold after she starred in NBC and Universal TV's short-lived Mindy Kaling-produced comedy Champions. Totah, who came out as transgender in a moving Time essay in August 2018, is fresh off a recurring role on Netflix's No Good Nick. Her credits includeSpider-Man: Homecoming and Amazon's Lee Daniels-produced pilot Good People.

    Josie prior & post transition

    https://flic.kr/p/2icvuwJ

    https://flic.kr/p/2icvuxk
    , @ziggurat
    In 2016, Chris Rock hosted the Oscars and suggested separate categories for blacks:
    https://youtu.be/kqhVNZgZGqQ?t=259

    That may be the only way to deal with it. Plaques for blacks.

    https://www.takimag.com/article/plaques_for_blacks_steve_sailer/
    "White people of all political persuasions tend to bestow honors upon blacks even when they are less deserving than whites."

    https://www.takimag.com/article/the_oscar_grouches_steve_sailer/

    From 1985 onward, blacks have been well represented among the four acting categories, with twelve of the last 124 winners and 46 of the last 620 acting nominations going to blacks. (Blacks winning twelve statues in 46 nominations is slightly more than the expected nine victories, but the sample size is too small to worry about.)

    In contrast, no Hispanic actor or actress born in the 50 states has been nominated for anything since 1993, but virtually nobody has noticed.
    ...
    One possible response to the Oscar black lack would be to create a separate category just for blacks so they are assured of always winning something. Another would be to throw out voting and simply have the show’s producer make up a slate of winners. Diversity has made democracy out of date.

    Granted, from the perspective of 1963, this isn't what was supposed to happen. Race was expected to decline in salience after the civil rights victories. But instead, old-fashioned blood-and-soil chauvinism has steadily revived, with an accompanying stream of dopey racial brouhahas like this latest one.
  5. Does BAFTA have a blind spot when it comes to race? I’ll just note that this group has failed to ever nominate Denzel Washington or Morgan Freeman

    I wasn’t aware they were British. Besides, the name Washington might have connotations over there still.

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    RETCON: GW was a pegleg who rode side-saddle! Well, it's a start.
  6. It’s almost hilarious–as these awards show audiences continue to decline, year after year–the more squawking there is from media “entertainment” editors and commentators as to the unfairness of the outcomes–as if that’s the reason behind declining viewership…

    Since the Oscar’s, et al, are popularity contests, just award a statuette to every nominee, as is done in youth sports leagues. Everyone gets a prize for showing up, thereby proving Woody Allen’s thesis about life (80% is just showing up)..

    • Replies: @Fox
    Yes, indeed, everyone gets a prize. In thinking about the future as projected from the present trajectory, perhaps a hundred years from now, I can only perceive a grey meaninglessness.
    A consolation prize is just that; a participant was there, gets a prize regardless of merit. Thus, any consideration of appreciation, enjoyment, admiration, accomplishment, talent, all of it becomes meaningless, as only being there counts. Surely this can be the future for the plebs only. Not for the big movers and shakers.
    Who would have thought that this world which once had such high aspirations would end up as a contemptible rag. Only separation from this mire will be a satisfactory solution to an otherwise darkening sun over life's aspirations and potential.
  7. Because that narrowing list has begun to exclude not just some of the most exciting performances and films of the season, but also many of the movies directed by women or featuring people of color. And though the academy, which is due to release its nominations next week, has taken great pains to diversify itself since the years of #OscarsSoWhite, this past week suggests that other awards bodies still have a lot of soul-searching to do, and that this issue may require a total shift in what’s considered weighty and worthy.

    It seems to me that Buchanan’s real complaint is how we judge movies (or anything else), period.

    He seems to think we emphasize the wrong things when we make judgments as a society. He thinks that some of the best performances and works of 2019 are getting excluded from awards.

    If that’s what he thinks, he should have elaborated on that. I would be interested in knowing what he thinks we are doing wrong and what got left out — and what got included — that shouldn’t have been.

    His other points seem minor compared to this. Unless he thinks that white men are just prone to be wrong and that having more women and people of colored involved will revolutionize everything about awards shows. Of course that will not happen.

    Why he’s talking about American actors and their fate in British awards shows is anyone’s guess.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    I would be interested in knowing what he thinks we are doing wrong and what got left out — and what got included — that shouldn’t have been.
     
    That's where the grousing critics always fail. It's not enough to say "so-and-so is wonderful and deserved a nomination." When you add it up, they are usually calling for, like, 24 nominations in each category. A critic might be entitled to some cred. if he were to say "Scorsese sucks in my opinion . . . here's a female director who did a way better job . . . and this is why . . ." But to just say more people should have gotten nominations, that's just lame virtue signalling.

    On the other hand, since film is such a collaborative medium, I am a bit baffled as to how critics are always so sure who exactly gets credit. For example, I imagine that some pretty mediocre directing could be made to look brilliant by inspired writing, acting and editing. Maybe the specialist guild members can just tell who individually knocked it out of the park. As for me, I can only tell whether I liked the movie, or not.

  8. The inquisition, here it comes. It’s good to be the king.

    https://jewishreviewofbooks.com/articles/5764/history-of-mel-brooks-both-parts/

  9. This older permanent A list mostly movie actor who is an Oscar winner/nominee is back with his granddaughter fetish thing. He is hooking up with a woman a fraction of his age and she says she has to call him Grandpa during sex.

    Morgan Freeman

    https://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2020/01/blind-items-revealed-4_8.html

  10. though BAFTA still found room in that category to nominate Margot Robbie for playing two different blondes.

    Some people don’t like blondes. Pretty amazing prejudice.

    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
    Blondes equal WASPs and Nazis in their worldview, there's your explanation. Steve has also wrote in the past about how blonde male actors are typecast in Hollywood as villains.
    , @Kratoklastes
    The ones I refuse to take seriously are 'blondes' who aren't blonde ('blonde': "a person with ordinary mousy-brown hair who gets a gay guy to tip a bunch of chemicals over her head every 4-6 weeks").

    Margot Robbie is very pretty, but she isn't a blonde. She's a 'blonde'.

    I quite like blondes, but I find 'blondes' annoying. They are doing things to their appearance which, if done by men, would rightly result in a diagnosis of total faggotry and insecurity... and a lifetime of mockery (if not outright ostracism).

    Would you refrain from mercilessly taunting any of your mates who dyed their hair? Or wore heel lifts, or make-up, or fake eyelashes, or got their asshole bleached, or their their ball-sack shaved (or waxed)?

    In my circle, all that shit gets a man ridiculed beyond imagining, and rightly so - even by my gay mates.

    Nicole Kidman used to be a quite-pretty young woman with crinkly reddish hair. Now she looks like a wax figurine that has been left too close to a heater.

    Up next: why people should only be taken seriously if they are wearng CostCo t-shirts and Kirkland pants.

    HAIL KEK.

  11. @Buzz Mohawk
    We must achieve equilibrium in film awards, as in everything.

    It's that simple. That is the ne plus ultra, the tikkun olam, the objective of all high-thinking people. They are better than you. They went to better colleges. STFU and eat your shiksa.

    When are the “better colleges” scheduled to get some of that sweet, sweet EQ

  12. “…the academy …has taken great pains to diversify itself since the years of #OscarsSoWhite,”

    Wasn’t that last year?

  13. Why could they give an award to the cute little chocolate drop that Joaquin was hitting on?

    • Replies: @Jim bob Lassiter
    I meant to say: "Why couldn't they . . . ?" My bad.
    , @68W58
    She also played “Domino” in Deadpool 2. That’s the way to introduce a minority character-you use a talented actor (or actress in this case) who plays a compelling character. Domino has only one superpower in that she’s unbelievably lucky, but it works and the character trusts her luck enough to go into ridiculously dangerous situations knowing that it will work out somehow. That’s what makes her likable and sympathetic, not emphasizing her minority status.
  14. Anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    We must achieve equilibrium in film awards, as in everything.

    It's that simple. That is the ne plus ultra, the tikkun olam, the objective of all high-thinking people. They are better than you. They went to better colleges. STFU and eat your shiksa.

    We must achieve equilibrium in film awards, as in everything.

    The preferred term is ‘inclusion’. But the notion of inclusion is contradictory. In order to have the power to include, one must also have the power to exclude. After all, ‘inclusion’ becomes meaningless in an open system. Whether you want to include or not, anyone can enter an open system. Take a park for instance. Anyone can go there.

    In contrast, inclusion applies only to closed systems because a choice has to be made to include certain peoples. And that means it must be within the frame of exclusion. If a system cannot exclude at all, then it’s an open system, and the policy of inclusion becomes moot because no one has the power to include or exclude. What’s the point of choosing to include when you no longer have that choice as ANYONE can enter.

    And globalism is an open system for peoples but closed systems for individuals who can afford it. In a way, it’s like a return to the old system where the powerful had castles to protect themselves and their property but the massed did not and just fell under the power of the latest invaders.

    To the elites, open global system and closed individual system work fine. Open global system means that the national pitchforkers will be invaded, mixed, and/or replaced, but the elites in their closed individual communities will remain safe and affluent.

  15. BAFTA?

    British African Fair Trophy Agreement?

  16. @songbird

    though BAFTA still found room in that category to nominate Margot Robbie for playing two different blondes.
     
    Some people don't like blondes. Pretty amazing prejudice.

    Blondes equal WASPs and Nazis in their worldview, there’s your explanation. Steve has also wrote in the past about how blonde male actors are typecast in Hollywood as villains.

  17. Tarantino and Phoenix don’t make good movies though. I don’t know why you cheerlead such mediocrities. Well in the case of Tarantino and Phoenix, I know it’s because they’re Italian and Jewish, but you can defend them in cases like this without pretending that they’re good.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    Somebody smart. How'd you get on here?

    I'll tell ya why these clowns on here love, and I use love because that pretty much describes their rather, uh, oddly emotive response to these mediocrities, The Tar and The Phoen.

    They love them because they are either frat boys or grownup boys with frat-boy mentalities.

    An exemplum:
    When Pulp Fiction came out (what a brilliant name for a film, sort of dumb but titillating to the ironoscenti, like, say Tiny Tim), to accompany it, somebody made a CD of the most popular lines from the movie. Then frat boys would put the CD on, drink beer, and chant the lines, in pure male bonding enjoyment.

    I ain't shitting you. It a real true fact.
  18. @Jim bob Lassiter
    Why could they give an award to the cute little chocolate drop that Joaquin was hitting on?

    I meant to say: “Why couldn’t they . . . ?” My bad.

  19. Are the New York Times and The Hollywood Reporter really different rags? Has anyone ever seen them in the same room together?

    • Replies: @Altai
    They're all most likely on the same journolists.
  20. Why is a judging panel of British people giving nominations to Anglo-Australians! Nobody cares about BAFTAs outside Britain. I didn’t even realise they gave them for non-British productions.

    But it’s once again an example of the standard that Western European ethnicities are supposed to not favour their own, even to their existential displacement but other groups are expected to practice ethnic nepotism.

    For what it is worth, Robbie is married to an English director/producer, so maybe that helped her too and some of that is behind the resentment and they’re covering it by claiming giving a hugely popular pretty blonde actress such an award is actually, when you think about it, racist.

    • Agree: Nicholas Stix
  21. @notsaying

    Because that narrowing list has begun to exclude not just some of the most exciting performances and films of the season, but also many of the movies directed by women or featuring people of color. And though the academy, which is due to release its nominations next week, has taken great pains to diversify itself since the years of #OscarsSoWhite, this past week suggests that other awards bodies still have a lot of soul-searching to do, and that this issue may require a total shift in what’s considered weighty and worthy.
     
    It seems to me that Buchanan's real complaint is how we judge movies (or anything else), period.

    He seems to think we emphasize the wrong things when we make judgments as a society. He thinks that some of the best performances and works of 2019 are getting excluded from awards.

    If that's what he thinks, he should have elaborated on that. I would be interested in knowing what he thinks we are doing wrong and what got left out -- and what got included -- that shouldn't have been.

    His other points seem minor compared to this. Unless he thinks that white men are just prone to be wrong and that having more women and people of colored involved will revolutionize everything about awards shows. Of course that will not happen.

    Why he's talking about American actors and their fate in British awards shows is anyone's guess.

    I would be interested in knowing what he thinks we are doing wrong and what got left out — and what got included — that shouldn’t have been.

    That’s where the grousing critics always fail. It’s not enough to say “so-and-so is wonderful and deserved a nomination.” When you add it up, they are usually calling for, like, 24 nominations in each category. A critic might be entitled to some cred. if he were to say “Scorsese sucks in my opinion . . . here’s a female director who did a way better job . . . and this is why . . .” But to just say more people should have gotten nominations, that’s just lame virtue signalling.

    On the other hand, since film is such a collaborative medium, I am a bit baffled as to how critics are always so sure who exactly gets credit. For example, I imagine that some pretty mediocre directing could be made to look brilliant by inspired writing, acting and editing. Maybe the specialist guild members can just tell who individually knocked it out of the park. As for me, I can only tell whether I liked the movie, or not.

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    I'm pretty sure a bad director can screw up anything.
  22. @Nicholas Stix
    Are the New York Times and The Hollywood Reporter really different rags? Has anyone ever seen them in the same room together?

    They’re all most likely on the same journolists.

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    I'm sure you're right.
  23. Maybe they’ll do something like the Eurovision, you’re not allowed to vote for your country. In future the academy members won’t be allowed to vote for anyone of their own race or ethnicity.

  24. Its fairly noticeable, TV in particular has become nearly all Black. All the time. Show after show after show is all Black. And the trend in movies and streaming is the same.

    The reason is the female domination of viewership. Which in turn drives the leadership of studios and production houses.

    Kathleen Kennedy gets given Star Wars? Did anyone at Disney think that she would be anything but an incompetent who would single handedly kill that movie franchise? But Disney execs don’t care about making money for a franchise that does not tie into their bonuses — they care about internal politics and in that White women and Blacks have out-maneuvered and begun to expel the Jewish producers and big shots in Hollywood.

    The largely White female Western audience can’t get enough of Black all the time. Its wildly successful with them. White men are not into that — but entertainment ceased caring in any way about White men around 1990 or so.

    This article and the push in the media is just more of the same — Blacks and White women combined in a giant #METOO moment to push out their enemies and jointly seize the spoils.

    Look at Anita Sarkesian from GamerGate, who tried to get Jon Favreau fired from the Mandalorian along with the White male Jewish writing staff so she and her cronies could take over. Its the same thing.

    And in a White female dominated society the advantage goes to whatever group of men is the most extraverted, socially dominant, physically threatening, and lowest natural IQ (since high IQ is repellent to women unless mixed with violence and cruelty). Jewish men do not know what hit them … and you can see the reactions from guys like Seinfeld and Larry David.

  25. Instead, the guild nominated Martin Scorsese (“The Irishman”), Quentin Tarantino (“Once Upon a Time … in Hollywood”), Sam Mendes (“1917”), Bong Joon Ho (“Parasite”) and Taika Waititi (“Jojo Rabbit”).

    Note how the argument falls apart with the fourth and fifth names, but that’s casually brushed aside because they are men.

    If it ain’t one thing, it’s another.

    Worth noting that even Sam Mendes is of Portuguese Creole descent on his father’s side, so he is, nominally, a Person of Color. His grandfather was a Trinidadian novelist.

  26. Well, wypipo invented the whole thing and all, so….

    Blues music is too black!”

    “Yoga is too Indian!”

    “Karate is too Asian!”

  27. “Because that narrowing list has begun to exclude not just some of the most exciting performances and films of the season, but also many of the movies directed by women or featuring people of color.”

    Movie production is quite the undertaking, there are only so many of them. If you do the math on this phrase, Kyle seems to equate directed by wamyn and/or featuring poc = exciting!

    Remember Woke Ghostbusters or whatever it was called? What an exciting pile of crap that was, amirite?

    Does BAFTA have a blind spot when it comes to race?

    Remember when that was the supposed ideal?

    “I’m “color blind,” I don’t see race, just people.”

    So maybe bafta does have “a blind spot when it comes to race,”

    maybe they considered all the contenders on the merits of their performances, not their color,

    and nominated those they determined worthy.

    “but no matter how you slice it, these are male-dominated movies”

    How can someone named Kyle Buchannan write such a phrase?

    Too much time in the estrogenizing echo chamber.

    Imagine what your great grandfathers would think of that phrase Kyle.

    Probably the same thing many people today do, “Wow, what a faggy sissypants that guy sounds like…”

    “When pressed about these sorts of snubs, awards voters will often deflect: Their job, they insist, is merely to select the best possible contenders, regardless of race or gender. “

    ha

    This reminds of the punditty nitwits who couldn’t wrap their minds around why
    POCs weren’t supporting the POC candidates in the Democratic primary.

    Sometimes people just like what they like.

    At least until their woke betters can re-engineer for them what they like.

    But to what end? Do people like Kyle think about this?

    Does Kyle have any objective in mind for what his whininess is aiming to accomplish, or is he just being whiny because other people are being whiny?

    Maybe the POCs in the primary polling looked at their options, looked at the POC leadership in the places from whence they came and made up their minds in part based on that.

    “Still, the homogeneous group of gatekeepers that came before us still affects so much of what we consider worthy of canonization.”

    Maybe the canon is what it is
    because it is what best serves the people
    who have canonized it.
    And there is not actually any conscious “gatekeeping” going on, but rather canonization is an emergent phenomena of people continually finding value in things, like Greek Mythology, Buddhist scriptures, the Bible, Shakespeare plays, Beethoven quartets, etc.

    “It won’t be easy to celebrate the wins to come when it’s clear that so much is still lost.”

    Wait, what?

    What a melodramatic goofball you are Kyle.

    As mentioned, movie production is quite the undertaking, there are only so many of them.

    Go dig up what is “lost” in your mind, and make a case for it.

    That’s something you could do that people would appreciate. (If you could actually do it.)

    And it wouldn’t come across as follow the leader of the petulantly whiny zeitgeist, like this article does.

    • Replies: @bomag

    ...there is not actually any conscious “gatekeeping” going on, but rather canonization is an emergent phenomena of people continually finding value in things
     
    A point that should be brought up more.
  28. Why stop at calling the nominees and the industry heads white? I wonder what their specific “white” ethnicity is, but Diversity Americans and their “white” supporters never seem to ask that question

  29. @songbird

    though BAFTA still found room in that category to nominate Margot Robbie for playing two different blondes.
     
    Some people don't like blondes. Pretty amazing prejudice.

    The ones I refuse to take seriously are ‘blondes’ who aren’t blonde (‘blonde’: “a person with ordinary mousy-brown hair who gets a gay guy to tip a bunch of chemicals over her head every 4-6 weeks“).

    Margot Robbie is very pretty, but she isn’t a blonde. She’s a ‘blonde’.

    I quite like blondes, but I find ‘blondes’ annoying. They are doing things to their appearance which, if done by men, would rightly result in a diagnosis of total faggotry and insecurity… and a lifetime of mockery (if not outright ostracism).

    Would you refrain from mercilessly taunting any of your mates who dyed their hair? Or wore heel lifts, or make-up, or fake eyelashes, or got their asshole bleached, or their their ball-sack shaved (or waxed)?

    In my circle, all that shit gets a man ridiculed beyond imagining, and rightly so – even by my gay mates.

    Nicole Kidman used to be a quite-pretty young woman with crinkly reddish hair. Now she looks like a wax figurine that has been left too close to a heater.

    Up next: why people should only be taken seriously if they are wearng CostCo t-shirts and Kirkland pants.

    HAIL KEK.

  30. “Mumblecore film”?

    Learned a new word.

  31. @Altai
    They're all most likely on the same journolists.

    I’m sure you’re right.

  32. If the Oscars secret ballot is ever abolished, I believe New Black Panthers armed with batons are available for the purposes of providing ‘security’ for guild members who vote for white actors.

  33. Maybe POC and women should just make better movies. Then they may be nominated.

  34. Most movies these days are dreadful. I usually watch the previews and then read iSteve reviews and maybe Armond White and that’s enough for me. If I see three or four movies a year at the theater it’s a lot.

    When they make it to Netflix and Amazon Prime you can watch ten minutes and then switch back to Better Call Saul or whatever. Because they are almost always crap. I don’t even know how they come up with five nominees for each category.

    Hollywood was good, though. Tarantino annoys the shit out of me but then he does something like this. The woke crowd seems to really get on his nerves. I can see QT becoming a bit of a reactionary curmudgeon in his old age, like Heston and a lot of QT’s old white actor heroes.

    And Midway was exciting. I can’t watch a super hero movie for more than 5 minutes, even if Gal Gadot’s in it.

  35. anon[130] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: Oscars couldn’t find a host again. I wonder if the two phenomena go hand-in-hand?

    https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/oscars-host-2020-1203460864/

    Anyway, did you see the Golden Globes ceremony? The audience was sooo scared to clap or laugh at the host’s jokes. I don’t blame anyone for not wanting the hosting job for these things anymore. My theory is that we are living in an anti-Soviet Union now: the first one to clap loses his head.

    Additionally, I just so happened to come across a video game speedrun on the live streaming service Twitch yesterday; Doom 2016, a first person shooter. The kid was doing a run-through of the game before a live audience when he made an innocuous “how dare you” comment at Greta Thunberg’s expense. You could have heard a pin drop in that room after. Just before, they were all laughing and joking. It was a good ten minutes before the crowd got into it again. Everyone in that room (being filmed live) was soooo scared to say anything. The Twitch chat was filled with comments attacking people for taking an innocuous dig at “someone trying to save the world” (translation: a sixteen-year-old who’s exploiting your good nature for personal gain — fame and fortune). Like I said, anti-Soviet Union.

    If you guys are depending on the youth to save you, I don’t really know what to say to you. They’re just as bad or worse than the Millennials. I honestly don’t see how this wokeness doesn’t continue to spread until it destroys American popular entertainment, even if we get a temporary reprieve (which I’m predicting in the first few years after Trump loses the 2020 election). Eventually, I think Hollywood will end up in China at some point. Their movies aren’t quite as censored as people think, even by Western European standards of the 1980s, and the Chinese audience isn’t woke; they like the same things the majority of Americans and people around the world like, so there will be an incentive to work more with China in the future and less with people who can no longer serve a general audience. *

    Much like the envious population of Zimbabwe supported Mugabee’s plan to foolishly steal the valuable farmlands they didn’t profit from or didn’t already have for themselves, I expect the rising POC coalition in the United States to eventually take things for themselves by force of law when they have the chance. In the past, affirmative action and various racial myths such as “institutional bias” were used to prevent minorities from taking things and upsetting the meritocratic system. Those things were used to postpone this demand by placating minorities in the present with promises to fix representation differences in the future. In other words, claim inequality is the result of racism by whites elsewhere in the present and work to end said inequality in the future with various policies. This lead people to believe that racial equality would occur at some future date while leaving the present, meritocratic, system largely intact, minus the occasional diversity hire.

    But now that racial gaps in achievement have shown themselves to be intractable, that stratagem is no longer working. Demands for equality of result are showing up in political campaigns with reparations proposals and various economic measures being popularly promoted (Yang’s UBI, Harris’s $100 billion black education plan). They are also showing up in popular culture. In the comic book industry, most of the white male characters were race and gender swapped and then discarded post 2014; some have made a comeback, but only due to low sales. In Hollywood, awards and movie roles have been subject to diversity politics for quite a while now, but recently this trend has grown to the point where it sometimes hurts creativity, the ability to get a film made, and even overseas box office, particularly in Asia, or destroys the original — hardcore, disproportionately white male — fanbase of the property in question.

    Ever wonder why nothing new gets made? Obviously, the advent of streaming services and corporate interference through demands for unrealistic short-term profit are playing large roles, but there are likely other factors in addition. The vast majority of the best and brightest creators in the west are white European and disproportionately white male. If they can’t make things for their own demographic niche any more, then nothing much that is both creative and new gets made. Could Peter Jackson’s Lord of the Rings be made these days in the United States? Well, it could if it were a Chinese production.

    Most of the best actors, actresses, directors, composers, and writers in the West are liberal Europeans, so there is no racism involved with award nominations or casting; these things are merely representative of those who are making quality / popular content. But meritocracy won’t last forever. And the phenomenon will likely be accelerated by virtue signalling, self-hating nobodies (oddly white male in composition) like the guy in the tweet above. Eventually, this industry will relocate somewhere else where merit plays a role more than American diversity politics.

    *I think, perhaps, some in Hollywood fear exactly this happening. China’s IP Man 4 got a surprising amount of attention among some crowds in the United States. Somebody here must be watching. Recently, I’ve noticed a trend of women trying to walk back the repressive androgynous look. Brie Larson, for example, wore a revealing dress on Jimmy Kimmel, and the clip went viral and was generally well received. It was an obvious attempt — partly successful, which I found humorous — to placate male social media critics of her Captain Marvel film franchise.

    Aside: I believe it was maybe the Golden Globes that responded to this kind of diversity criticism by pointing out their nominations are merit-based. So, maybe they are walking back things there, too.

    Further, a few video game developers have also tried walking things back a bit by including more attractive characters … well, now that China’s Tencent is getting more heavily invested in higher quality — including Japanese — products / companies, just as I predicted here on this forum last year. Chinese don’t have a problem with attractive characters; that audience often demands them.

    • Replies: @Mycale
    The game industry is in many ways ahead of other ones. Gamers here also want attractive characters. The problem is that the studios have been completely taken over by female SJWs; they simply do not care what people want. And the end result is that the studios purposely uglify the female characters and then get the game writing sites to call anyone who complains sexist and racist and all that.

    The games actually do flop though. And when they do, the studios and sites find any justification other than they made a game that nobody wanted. See the saga of Battlefield V for example. This is because there isn’t a contingent of white women eager to play 80 hour RPGs or grindy multiplayer shooters, so they can’t turn that audience. As for me I’d rather just play the old ones than the new ones.

    Outside of gaming though, as long as blacks and white women voraciously consume this stuff, the studios will be too happy to abandon everyone else. China not needed.
  36. anon[842] • Disclaimer says:

    I suspect we are going to hear increasing numbers of calls for abolishing the Secret Ballot.

    I believe college football did exactly that quite some time ago, IIRC. These days I can look up whatever team Nick Saban or Brian Kelly vote for. There definitely seems to be a precedent for eliminating the secret ballot in any case. I predict the response will be a further weakening of awards prestige along with a much reduced voting pool. College coaches are partly able to avoid controversy because they either vote for their own teams or vote along with the AP poll.

  37. @Forbes
    It's almost hilarious--as these awards show audiences continue to decline, year after year--the more squawking there is from media "entertainment" editors and commentators as to the unfairness of the outcomes--as if that's the reason behind declining viewership...

    Since the Oscar's, et al, are popularity contests, just award a statuette to every nominee, as is done in youth sports leagues. Everyone gets a prize for showing up, thereby proving Woody Allen's thesis about life (80% is just showing up)..

    Yes, indeed, everyone gets a prize. In thinking about the future as projected from the present trajectory, perhaps a hundred years from now, I can only perceive a grey meaninglessness.
    A consolation prize is just that; a participant was there, gets a prize regardless of merit. Thus, any consideration of appreciation, enjoyment, admiration, accomplishment, talent, all of it becomes meaningless, as only being there counts. Surely this can be the future for the plebs only. Not for the big movers and shakers.
    Who would have thought that this world which once had such high aspirations would end up as a contemptible rag. Only separation from this mire will be a satisfactory solution to an otherwise darkening sun over life’s aspirations and potential.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Yes, indeed, everyone gets a prize.
     
    My younger daughter remarked on that when she played soccer in the second grade. Nobody kept score, except the kids.
    , @bomag

    A consolation prize is just that; a participant was there, gets a prize regardless of merit...
     
    As dysfunctional as is a world of mere consolation prizes, today we are even worse in that we give accomplishment prizes for merely being Black; or a "migrant"; or transgendered; etc.
  38. Anybody who thinks Tarantino movies are “good movies” needs a brain. I mean, really? What kind of pervert scumbag likes that utter shit?

    • Agree: kikz
    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    I am not a big QT fan. I have not seen, on purpose, most of his earlier movies, because I think they are violence porn.

    That said, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood is pretty funny. The ending is a hoot. Pitt and De Caprio look like they are having a great time. $1.75 at your local Redbox.
  39. @Cucksworth
    Steve may not be an expert on foreign policy, but he is a crack culture blogger.

    Yeah. All of those “Best Movie” nominations suck. And he “likes” them. Yeah, he’s crack something alright.

  40. @Anonymous
    Tarantino and Phoenix don't make good movies though. I don't know why you cheerlead such mediocrities. Well in the case of Tarantino and Phoenix, I know it's because they're Italian and Jewish, but you can defend them in cases like this without pretending that they're good.

    Somebody smart. How’d you get on here?

    I’ll tell ya why these clowns on here love, and I use love because that pretty much describes their rather, uh, oddly emotive response to these mediocrities, The Tar and The Phoen.

    They love them because they are either frat boys or grownup boys with frat-boy mentalities.

    An exemplum:
    When Pulp Fiction came out (what a brilliant name for a film, sort of dumb but titillating to the ironoscenti, like, say Tiny Tim), to accompany it, somebody made a CD of the most popular lines from the movie. Then frat boys would put the CD on, drink beer, and chant the lines, in pure male bonding enjoyment.

    I ain’t shitting you. It a real true fact.

    • Replies: @More R1b, Less H1B
    LOL, so your bête noire is frat boys- revealing! You may claim to be some flavor of mystery meat, but at heart you're a suburban white woman. Does Haven Monahan haunt your dreams?

    Speaking of mystery meat, that's the audience for this schlock, not those mean, nasty white frat boys. For every Phi Mosis house with a Joker poster on the wall above the butt-chugging rig, there are fifty squalid apartments in Beanertown decorated floor-to-ceiling in that shit. You'd think Scarface posters were issued at birth to minorities.
  41. …worthy of canonization…

    If all the sacred negroes are now going to be canonized as well, you’re going to need a bigger Church of Black Supremacy….

  42. @Anonymous
    Create racial categories. Best white actor, best black actor, best brown actor, best yellow actor, best homo actor, best tranny actor, best mestizo or mulatto actor, etc. That way, everyone is happy.

    Btw, has Tarantino ever got the prize other than for writing? Not that he is deserving of critical praise(though I haven't seen Hollywood).

    It used to be that the main complaint about Hollywood is the best movies generally aren't nominated. And if they are, they don't win. Now, it's the usual anti-white wokey-pokey nonsense.

    Also, if POWER is what the 'discourse' all about, shouldn't the real controversy be that Hollywood is Jewish run-and-owned despite the fact that most actors and crew are goyim? It's like music moguls and sports franchise moguls also tend to be Jewish even though the big stars are white or black. Oscars are not even gold but made of cheap clay. To whom are the real shekels going to? That should be the real question.

    But we get more Mott-Bail nonsense about the stupid Oscars, which was created in the first place to give false impression that Hollywood is about art and culture when it's about the money. No, the question we have for NYT is why Hollywood moguls are mostly Jewish. Why when so many actors and crew and audience are not.

    KMG on a book on Hollywood.

    https://youtu.be/qurUWJRRHy0?t=5566

    Create racial categories. Best white actor, best black actor, best brown actor, best yellow actor, best homo actor, best tranny actor, best mestizo or mulatto actor, etc. That way, everyone is happy.

    Oh, it’ll happen all right. And ‘whites’ will be just another category like ‘trans-latinx’ and a hundred others. Everyone’s equal! How to hide the dispossession.

    Also, if POWER is what the ‘discourse’ all about, shouldn’t the real controversy be that Hollywood is Jewish run-and-owned despite the fact that most actors and crew are goyim? It’s like music moguls and sports franchise moguls also tend to be Jewish even though the big stars are white or black.

    Oh snap, another Nazi on board!

  43. @Reg Cæsar

    Does BAFTA have a blind spot when it comes to race? I’ll just note that this group has failed to ever nominate Denzel Washington or Morgan Freeman
     
    I wasn't aware they were British. Besides, the name Washington might have connotations over there still.


    https://allthingsliberty.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Rev-War_PrincetonWB.28.jpg

    RETCON: GW was a pegleg who rode side-saddle! Well, it’s a start.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    RETCON: GW was a pegleg who rode side-saddle! Well, it’s a start.
     
    I think that's his personal fasces. You can see something similar on Brooklyn's flag:



    https://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/u/us-nybko.gif
  44. • Replies: @68W58
    There was a pretty good SNL sketch from the early days of the show where Buck Henry plays a radio call in show who tries (and hilariously fails) to entice people to call in by bringing up discussion topics that are increasingly extreme.
    , @Known Fact
    You gotta give Buck Henry credit for tackling Catch-22, which sadly did not work out too well. But how hard could it have been to "co-create" Get Smart -- "Hey, I know, let's do Man From UNCLE but everybody's an idiot."

    Get Smart's "jump the shark" moment, by the way, was the season where agents 86 and 99 get married. Ecchhh.

  45. It’s always about entertainment, not some hard work hardly anyone notices.

    Who is Jennifer Lawrence?

    Everybody knows.

    Who is Maria Chudnovsky?

    ?

    There you are.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    Who is Maria Chudnovsky?
     
    Yet another worthless Becky that won the STEM lottery and had a team of highly-intelligent and hard-working Chinese and Korean coolies placed under her to do all the research she takes credit for?
  46. Sharon Tate wasn’t a “blonde”, but a *real person* who met a shocking and tragic end. QT has given her a bit of dignity in death.

    • Replies: @Charon
    Agreed. I'm no QT fan but he's done something really decent for once in rewriting that bit of horror history.
  47. @Jim bob Lassiter
    Why could they give an award to the cute little chocolate drop that Joaquin was hitting on?

    She also played “Domino” in Deadpool 2. That’s the way to introduce a minority character-you use a talented actor (or actress in this case) who plays a compelling character. Domino has only one superpower in that she’s unbelievably lucky, but it works and the character trusts her luck enough to go into ridiculously dangerous situations knowing that it will work out somehow. That’s what makes her likable and sympathetic, not emphasizing her minority status.

    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe

    Domino has only one superpower in that she’s unbelievably lucky, but it works and the character trusts her luck enough to go into ridiculously dangerous situations knowing that it will work out somehow.
     
    I freakin' LOATHE cape movies, but that's about the best damn idea for a heroic super-power that I have ever heard. I could almost be tempted to see a movie where that was the ability of the main character. At home, anyway. Still not buying a ticket to see a cape movie, under any circumstances.
    , @MBII
    Domino is not supposed to be black, she's supposed to be white and attractive. What a terrible example to use of a "good minority character."
  48. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1215124178942283777

    There was a pretty good SNL sketch from the early days of the show where Buck Henry plays a radio call in show who tries (and hilariously fails) to entice people to call in by bringing up discussion topics that are increasingly extreme.

  49. @anon
    OT: Oscars couldn't find a host again. I wonder if the two phenomena go hand-in-hand?

    https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/oscars-host-2020-1203460864/

    Anyway, did you see the Golden Globes ceremony? The audience was sooo scared to clap or laugh at the host's jokes. I don't blame anyone for not wanting the hosting job for these things anymore. My theory is that we are living in an anti-Soviet Union now: the first one to clap loses his head.

    Additionally, I just so happened to come across a video game speedrun on the live streaming service Twitch yesterday; Doom 2016, a first person shooter. The kid was doing a run-through of the game before a live audience when he made an innocuous "how dare you" comment at Greta Thunberg's expense. You could have heard a pin drop in that room after. Just before, they were all laughing and joking. It was a good ten minutes before the crowd got into it again. Everyone in that room (being filmed live) was soooo scared to say anything. The Twitch chat was filled with comments attacking people for taking an innocuous dig at "someone trying to save the world" (translation: a sixteen-year-old who's exploiting your good nature for personal gain -- fame and fortune). Like I said, anti-Soviet Union.

    If you guys are depending on the youth to save you, I don't really know what to say to you. They're just as bad or worse than the Millennials. I honestly don't see how this wokeness doesn't continue to spread until it destroys American popular entertainment, even if we get a temporary reprieve (which I'm predicting in the first few years after Trump loses the 2020 election). Eventually, I think Hollywood will end up in China at some point. Their movies aren't quite as censored as people think, even by Western European standards of the 1980s, and the Chinese audience isn't woke; they like the same things the majority of Americans and people around the world like, so there will be an incentive to work more with China in the future and less with people who can no longer serve a general audience. *

    Much like the envious population of Zimbabwe supported Mugabee's plan to foolishly steal the valuable farmlands they didn't profit from or didn't already have for themselves, I expect the rising POC coalition in the United States to eventually take things for themselves by force of law when they have the chance. In the past, affirmative action and various racial myths such as "institutional bias" were used to prevent minorities from taking things and upsetting the meritocratic system. Those things were used to postpone this demand by placating minorities in the present with promises to fix representation differences in the future. In other words, claim inequality is the result of racism by whites elsewhere in the present and work to end said inequality in the future with various policies. This lead people to believe that racial equality would occur at some future date while leaving the present, meritocratic, system largely intact, minus the occasional diversity hire.

    But now that racial gaps in achievement have shown themselves to be intractable, that stratagem is no longer working. Demands for equality of result are showing up in political campaigns with reparations proposals and various economic measures being popularly promoted (Yang's UBI, Harris's $100 billion black education plan). They are also showing up in popular culture. In the comic book industry, most of the white male characters were race and gender swapped and then discarded post 2014; some have made a comeback, but only due to low sales. In Hollywood, awards and movie roles have been subject to diversity politics for quite a while now, but recently this trend has grown to the point where it sometimes hurts creativity, the ability to get a film made, and even overseas box office, particularly in Asia, or destroys the original -- hardcore, disproportionately white male -- fanbase of the property in question.

    Ever wonder why nothing new gets made? Obviously, the advent of streaming services and corporate interference through demands for unrealistic short-term profit are playing large roles, but there are likely other factors in addition. The vast majority of the best and brightest creators in the west are white European and disproportionately white male. If they can't make things for their own demographic niche any more, then nothing much that is both creative and new gets made. Could Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings be made these days in the United States? Well, it could if it were a Chinese production.

    Most of the best actors, actresses, directors, composers, and writers in the West are liberal Europeans, so there is no racism involved with award nominations or casting; these things are merely representative of those who are making quality / popular content. But meritocracy won't last forever. And the phenomenon will likely be accelerated by virtue signalling, self-hating nobodies (oddly white male in composition) like the guy in the tweet above. Eventually, this industry will relocate somewhere else where merit plays a role more than American diversity politics.

    *I think, perhaps, some in Hollywood fear exactly this happening. China's IP Man 4 got a surprising amount of attention among some crowds in the United States. Somebody here must be watching. Recently, I've noticed a trend of women trying to walk back the repressive androgynous look. Brie Larson, for example, wore a revealing dress on Jimmy Kimmel, and the clip went viral and was generally well received. It was an obvious attempt -- partly successful, which I found humorous -- to placate male social media critics of her Captain Marvel film franchise.

    Aside: I believe it was maybe the Golden Globes that responded to this kind of diversity criticism by pointing out their nominations are merit-based. So, maybe they are walking back things there, too.

    Further, a few video game developers have also tried walking things back a bit by including more attractive characters ... well, now that China's Tencent is getting more heavily invested in higher quality -- including Japanese -- products / companies, just as I predicted here on this forum last year. Chinese don't have a problem with attractive characters; that audience often demands them.

    The game industry is in many ways ahead of other ones. Gamers here also want attractive characters. The problem is that the studios have been completely taken over by female SJWs; they simply do not care what people want. And the end result is that the studios purposely uglify the female characters and then get the game writing sites to call anyone who complains sexist and racist and all that.

    The games actually do flop though. And when they do, the studios and sites find any justification other than they made a game that nobody wanted. See the saga of Battlefield V for example. This is because there isn’t a contingent of white women eager to play 80 hour RPGs or grindy multiplayer shooters, so they can’t turn that audience. As for me I’d rather just play the old ones than the new ones.

    Outside of gaming though, as long as blacks and white women voraciously consume this stuff, the studios will be too happy to abandon everyone else. China not needed.

  50. @Bardon Kaldian
    It's always about entertainment, not some hard work hardly anyone notices.

    Who is Jennifer Lawrence?

    Everybody knows.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNBHvEjaCXk

    Who is Maria Chudnovsky?

    ?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4p2uSjQkW2g

    There you are.

    Who is Maria Chudnovsky?

    Yet another worthless Becky that won the STEM lottery and had a team of highly-intelligent and hard-working Chinese and Korean coolies placed under her to do all the research she takes credit for?

  51. Meanwhile, in the New York Times

    Florence Pugh’s True Hollywood Fairy Tale

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/08/movies/florence-pugh-little-women.html

    But wait…she’s so…so…huwyhte….

    By Reggie Ugwu

    https://www.nytimes.com/by/reggie-ugwu

    Ah….of course….

  52. Maybe the best thing to do would be to stop going to see movies. Stop feeding into their inflated sense of importance.

  53. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1215124178942283777

    You gotta give Buck Henry credit for tackling Catch-22, which sadly did not work out too well. But how hard could it have been to “co-create” Get Smart — “Hey, I know, let’s do Man From UNCLE but everybody’s an idiot.”

    Get Smart’s “jump the shark” moment, by the way, was the season where agents 86 and 99 get married. Ecchhh.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    "Henry recalled how he and Brooks got the idea for Get Smart. “Nobody seems to remember it but me,” he said. “I go to [Talent Associates partner Danny Melnick’s office] and he says, ‘I want to give you guys an idea: What are the two biggest movies in the world today? James Bond and Inspector Clouseau. Get my point?’ … It’s parody and satire.”

    ABC paid for the Get Smart pilot but passed on the series. Melnick then took it to NBC titan Grant Tinker, who was looking for a project for his contract actor Adams."


    https://deadline.com/2020/01/buck-henry-dead-saturday-night-live-the-graduate-get-smart-1202825337/
  54. This NYT fool may have a point. Hollywood’s most compelling performers are none other than The Minions — actors of color (yellow) who are still awaiting their just due.

  55. “Perhaps the British group didn’t view Denzel Washington or Morgan Freeman as British?”

    Until 1968 they had a best British actor and a best foreign actor award:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAFTA_Award_for_Best_Actor_in_a_Leading_Role

    After 1968 the foreign actor category was done away with. American actors have won a slew.

    Forest Whitaker won in 2006

  56. It won’t be easy to celebrate the wins to come…

    The idea I’m expected to “celebrate” the award show victories of corporate cinema offerings, is downright bizarre. Has this guy ever, like, you know, met any real human beings?!?

  57. @Anonymous
    Create racial categories. Best white actor, best black actor, best brown actor, best yellow actor, best homo actor, best tranny actor, best mestizo or mulatto actor, etc. That way, everyone is happy.

    Btw, has Tarantino ever got the prize other than for writing? Not that he is deserving of critical praise(though I haven't seen Hollywood).

    It used to be that the main complaint about Hollywood is the best movies generally aren't nominated. And if they are, they don't win. Now, it's the usual anti-white wokey-pokey nonsense.

    Also, if POWER is what the 'discourse' all about, shouldn't the real controversy be that Hollywood is Jewish run-and-owned despite the fact that most actors and crew are goyim? It's like music moguls and sports franchise moguls also tend to be Jewish even though the big stars are white or black. Oscars are not even gold but made of cheap clay. To whom are the real shekels going to? That should be the real question.

    But we get more Mott-Bail nonsense about the stupid Oscars, which was created in the first place to give false impression that Hollywood is about art and culture when it's about the money. No, the question we have for NYT is why Hollywood moguls are mostly Jewish. Why when so many actors and crew and audience are not.

    KMG on a book on Hollywood.

    https://youtu.be/qurUWJRRHy0?t=5566

    “Best white actor, best black actor, best brown actor, best yellow actor, best homo actor, best tranny actor, best mestizo or mulatto actor, etc. That way, everyone is happy.”

    #425, you’re right, everyone deserves to be happy. Not a movie, but they are bringing back an updated to current standards teen sitcom; one that is sure to snag an award among those you suggested.

    Saved by the Bell TV sequel:

    Original stars Mario Lopez and Elizabeth Berkley will reprise their roles as A.C. Slater and Jessie Spano, respectively, in the single-camera comedy that explores what happens when California Gov. Zack Morris gets into hot water for closing too many low-income high schools and proposes the affected students be sent to the highest-performing schools in the state — including Bayside High.

    Josie Totah will star as Lexi, a beautiful, sharp-tongued cheerleader and the most popular girl at Bayside High who is both admired and feared by her fellow students.

    The role brings Totah back into the NBCUniversal fold after she starred in NBC and Universal TV’s short-lived Mindy Kaling-produced comedy Champions. Totah, who came out as transgender in a moving Time essay in August 2018, is fresh off a recurring role on Netflix’s No Good Nick. Her credits includeSpider-Man: Homecoming and Amazon’s Lee Daniels-produced pilot Good People.

    Josie prior & post transition

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  58. @68W58
    She also played “Domino” in Deadpool 2. That’s the way to introduce a minority character-you use a talented actor (or actress in this case) who plays a compelling character. Domino has only one superpower in that she’s unbelievably lucky, but it works and the character trusts her luck enough to go into ridiculously dangerous situations knowing that it will work out somehow. That’s what makes her likable and sympathetic, not emphasizing her minority status.

    Domino has only one superpower in that she’s unbelievably lucky, but it works and the character trusts her luck enough to go into ridiculously dangerous situations knowing that it will work out somehow.

    I freakin’ LOATHE cape movies, but that’s about the best damn idea for a heroic super-power that I have ever heard. I could almost be tempted to see a movie where that was the ability of the main character. At home, anyway. Still not buying a ticket to see a cape movie, under any circumstances.

    • Disagree: MBII
    • Replies: @MBII

    I freakin’ LOATHE cape movies
     
    Why? That's pretty stupid
  59. These awards are meaningless, and even if they were meaningful they should not be given to anybody because they’re black or female. The type of entertainment generally enjoyed by these two groups tend to be garbage.

  60. @Kevin O'Keeffe

    Domino has only one superpower in that she’s unbelievably lucky, but it works and the character trusts her luck enough to go into ridiculously dangerous situations knowing that it will work out somehow.
     
    I freakin' LOATHE cape movies, but that's about the best damn idea for a heroic super-power that I have ever heard. I could almost be tempted to see a movie where that was the ability of the main character. At home, anyway. Still not buying a ticket to see a cape movie, under any circumstances.

    I freakin’ LOATHE cape movies

    Why? That’s pretty stupid

    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe

    Why? That’s pretty stupid
     
    Why? Because I don't enjoy superhero films.

    I'm sure this is due to the vast gulf which separates our intellectual faculties. To your credit, of course!
  61. @68W58
    She also played “Domino” in Deadpool 2. That’s the way to introduce a minority character-you use a talented actor (or actress in this case) who plays a compelling character. Domino has only one superpower in that she’s unbelievably lucky, but it works and the character trusts her luck enough to go into ridiculously dangerous situations knowing that it will work out somehow. That’s what makes her likable and sympathetic, not emphasizing her minority status.

    Domino is not supposed to be black, she’s supposed to be white and attractive. What a terrible example to use of a “good minority character.”

  62. Record number of female film leads, US study suggests

    https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-51046200

  63. @Anon55uu
    Sharon Tate wasn’t a “blonde”, but a *real person* who met a shocking and tragic end. QT has given her a bit of dignity in death.

    Agreed. I’m no QT fan but he’s done something really decent for once in rewriting that bit of horror history.

  64. A tweet from Shane Fitzsimmons, commissioner of the New South Wales Rural Fire Service (NSWRFS) –> link

    US fire fighters arrived at Sydney Int Airport this week, on their way to assist with fire fighting in Victoria. Coming through, all gathered gave a spontaneous & lengthy round of applause, reflecting the gratitude & admiration we all have for their generosity. #NSWRFS

    There is a video of the US firefighters arriving: zero diversity.

  65. @obwandiyag
    Somebody smart. How'd you get on here?

    I'll tell ya why these clowns on here love, and I use love because that pretty much describes their rather, uh, oddly emotive response to these mediocrities, The Tar and The Phoen.

    They love them because they are either frat boys or grownup boys with frat-boy mentalities.

    An exemplum:
    When Pulp Fiction came out (what a brilliant name for a film, sort of dumb but titillating to the ironoscenti, like, say Tiny Tim), to accompany it, somebody made a CD of the most popular lines from the movie. Then frat boys would put the CD on, drink beer, and chant the lines, in pure male bonding enjoyment.

    I ain't shitting you. It a real true fact.

    LOL, so your bête noire is frat boys– revealing! You may claim to be some flavor of mystery meat, but at heart you’re a suburban white woman. Does Haven Monahan haunt your dreams?

    Speaking of mystery meat, that’s the audience for this schlock, not those mean, nasty white frat boys. For every Phi Mosis house with a Joker poster on the wall above the butt-chugging rig, there are fifty squalid apartments in Beanertown decorated floor-to-ceiling in that shit. You’d think Scarface posters were issued at birth to minorities.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    Do you sound so stupid on purpose or is it just natural?
  66. @Hypnotoad666

    I would be interested in knowing what he thinks we are doing wrong and what got left out — and what got included — that shouldn’t have been.
     
    That's where the grousing critics always fail. It's not enough to say "so-and-so is wonderful and deserved a nomination." When you add it up, they are usually calling for, like, 24 nominations in each category. A critic might be entitled to some cred. if he were to say "Scorsese sucks in my opinion . . . here's a female director who did a way better job . . . and this is why . . ." But to just say more people should have gotten nominations, that's just lame virtue signalling.

    On the other hand, since film is such a collaborative medium, I am a bit baffled as to how critics are always so sure who exactly gets credit. For example, I imagine that some pretty mediocre directing could be made to look brilliant by inspired writing, acting and editing. Maybe the specialist guild members can just tell who individually knocked it out of the park. As for me, I can only tell whether I liked the movie, or not.

    I’m pretty sure a bad director can screw up anything.

  67. @MBII

    I freakin’ LOATHE cape movies
     
    Why? That's pretty stupid

    Why? That’s pretty stupid

    Why? Because I don’t enjoy superhero films.

    I’m sure this is due to the vast gulf which separates our intellectual faculties. To your credit, of course!

  68. @Fox
    Yes, indeed, everyone gets a prize. In thinking about the future as projected from the present trajectory, perhaps a hundred years from now, I can only perceive a grey meaninglessness.
    A consolation prize is just that; a participant was there, gets a prize regardless of merit. Thus, any consideration of appreciation, enjoyment, admiration, accomplishment, talent, all of it becomes meaningless, as only being there counts. Surely this can be the future for the plebs only. Not for the big movers and shakers.
    Who would have thought that this world which once had such high aspirations would end up as a contemptible rag. Only separation from this mire will be a satisfactory solution to an otherwise darkening sun over life's aspirations and potential.

    Yes, indeed, everyone gets a prize.

    My younger daughter remarked on that when she played soccer in the second grade. Nobody kept score, except the kids.

  69. @obwandiyag
    Anybody who thinks Tarantino movies are "good movies" needs a brain. I mean, really? What kind of pervert scumbag likes that utter shit?

    I am not a big QT fan. I have not seen, on purpose, most of his earlier movies, because I think they are violence porn.

    That said, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood is pretty funny. The ending is a hoot. Pitt and De Caprio look like they are having a great time. $1.75 at your local Redbox.

  70. @Known Fact
    You gotta give Buck Henry credit for tackling Catch-22, which sadly did not work out too well. But how hard could it have been to "co-create" Get Smart -- "Hey, I know, let's do Man From UNCLE but everybody's an idiot."

    Get Smart's "jump the shark" moment, by the way, was the season where agents 86 and 99 get married. Ecchhh.

    “Henry recalled how he and Brooks got the idea for Get Smart. “Nobody seems to remember it but me,” he said. “I go to [Talent Associates partner Danny Melnick’s office] and he says, ‘I want to give you guys an idea: What are the two biggest movies in the world today? James Bond and Inspector Clouseau. Get my point?’ … It’s parody and satire.”

    ABC paid for the Get Smart pilot but passed on the series. Melnick then took it to NBC titan Grant Tinker, who was looking for a project for his contract actor Adams.”

    https://deadline.com/2020/01/buck-henry-dead-saturday-night-live-the-graduate-get-smart-1202825337/

  71. @Mr McKenna
    RETCON: GW was a pegleg who rode side-saddle! Well, it's a start.

    RETCON: GW was a pegleg who rode side-saddle! Well, it’s a start.

    I think that’s his personal fasces. You can see something similar on Brooklyn’s flag:

  72. @Anonymous
    Create racial categories. Best white actor, best black actor, best brown actor, best yellow actor, best homo actor, best tranny actor, best mestizo or mulatto actor, etc. That way, everyone is happy.

    Btw, has Tarantino ever got the prize other than for writing? Not that he is deserving of critical praise(though I haven't seen Hollywood).

    It used to be that the main complaint about Hollywood is the best movies generally aren't nominated. And if they are, they don't win. Now, it's the usual anti-white wokey-pokey nonsense.

    Also, if POWER is what the 'discourse' all about, shouldn't the real controversy be that Hollywood is Jewish run-and-owned despite the fact that most actors and crew are goyim? It's like music moguls and sports franchise moguls also tend to be Jewish even though the big stars are white or black. Oscars are not even gold but made of cheap clay. To whom are the real shekels going to? That should be the real question.

    But we get more Mott-Bail nonsense about the stupid Oscars, which was created in the first place to give false impression that Hollywood is about art and culture when it's about the money. No, the question we have for NYT is why Hollywood moguls are mostly Jewish. Why when so many actors and crew and audience are not.

    KMG on a book on Hollywood.

    https://youtu.be/qurUWJRRHy0?t=5566

    In 2016, Chris Rock hosted the Oscars and suggested separate categories for blacks:

    That may be the only way to deal with it. Plaques for blacks.

    https://www.takimag.com/article/plaques_for_blacks_steve_sailer/
    “White people of all political persuasions tend to bestow honors upon blacks even when they are less deserving than whites.”

    https://www.takimag.com/article/the_oscar_grouches_steve_sailer/

    From 1985 onward, blacks have been well represented among the four acting categories, with twelve of the last 124 winners and 46 of the last 620 acting nominations going to blacks. (Blacks winning twelve statues in 46 nominations is slightly more than the expected nine victories, but the sample size is too small to worry about.)

    In contrast, no Hispanic actor or actress born in the 50 states has been nominated for anything since 1993, but virtually nobody has noticed.

    One possible response to the Oscar black lack would be to create a separate category just for blacks so they are assured of always winning something. Another would be to throw out voting and simply have the show’s producer make up a slate of winners. Diversity has made democracy out of date.

    Granted, from the perspective of 1963, this isn’t what was supposed to happen. Race was expected to decline in salience after the civil rights victories. But instead, old-fashioned blood-and-soil chauvinism has steadily revived, with an accompanying stream of dopey racial brouhahas like this latest one.

  73. @Diversity is Wrong

    "Because that narrowing list has begun to exclude not just some of the most exciting performances and films of the season, but also many of the movies directed by women or featuring people of color."

     

    Movie production is quite the undertaking, there are only so many of them. If you do the math on this phrase, Kyle seems to equate directed by wamyn and/or featuring poc = exciting!

    Remember Woke Ghostbusters or whatever it was called? What an exciting pile of crap that was, amirite?


    Does BAFTA have a blind spot when it comes to race?
     
    Remember when that was the supposed ideal?

    "I'm "color blind," I don't see race, just people."

    So maybe bafta does have "a blind spot when it comes to race,"

    maybe they considered all the contenders on the merits of their performances, not their color,

    and nominated those they determined worthy.


    "but no matter how you slice it, these are male-dominated movies"
     
    How can someone named Kyle Buchannan write such a phrase?

    Too much time in the estrogenizing echo chamber.

    Imagine what your great grandfathers would think of that phrase Kyle.

    Probably the same thing many people today do, "Wow, what a faggy sissypants that guy sounds like..."


    "When pressed about these sorts of snubs, awards voters will often deflect: Their job, they insist, is merely to select the best possible contenders, regardless of race or gender. "
     
    ha

    This reminds of the punditty nitwits who couldn't wrap their minds around why
    POCs weren't supporting the POC candidates in the Democratic primary.

    Sometimes people just like what they like.

    At least until their woke betters can re-engineer for them what they like.

    But to what end? Do people like Kyle think about this?

    Does Kyle have any objective in mind for what his whininess is aiming to accomplish, or is he just being whiny because other people are being whiny?

    Maybe the POCs in the primary polling looked at their options, looked at the POC leadership in the places from whence they came and made up their minds in part based on that.


    "Still, the homogeneous group of gatekeepers that came before us still affects so much of what we consider worthy of canonization."
     
    Maybe the canon is what it is
    because it is what best serves the people
    who have canonized it.
    And there is not actually any conscious "gatekeeping" going on, but rather canonization is an emergent phenomena of people continually finding value in things, like Greek Mythology, Buddhist scriptures, the Bible, Shakespeare plays, Beethoven quartets, etc.

    "It won’t be easy to celebrate the wins to come when it’s clear that so much is still lost."

     

    Wait, what?

    What a melodramatic goofball you are Kyle.

    As mentioned, movie production is quite the undertaking, there are only so many of them.

    Go dig up what is "lost" in your mind, and make a case for it.

    That's something you could do that people would appreciate. (If you could actually do it.)

    And it wouldn't come across as follow the leader of the petulantly whiny zeitgeist, like this article does.

    …there is not actually any conscious “gatekeeping” going on, but rather canonization is an emergent phenomena of people continually finding value in things

    A point that should be brought up more.

  74. @More R1b, Less H1B
    LOL, so your bête noire is frat boys- revealing! You may claim to be some flavor of mystery meat, but at heart you're a suburban white woman. Does Haven Monahan haunt your dreams?

    Speaking of mystery meat, that's the audience for this schlock, not those mean, nasty white frat boys. For every Phi Mosis house with a Joker poster on the wall above the butt-chugging rig, there are fifty squalid apartments in Beanertown decorated floor-to-ceiling in that shit. You'd think Scarface posters were issued at birth to minorities.

    Do you sound so stupid on purpose or is it just natural?

    • Replies: @More R1b, Less H1B
    lol if catty homo posters like you hate it, it's working fine enough
  75. @Fox
    Yes, indeed, everyone gets a prize. In thinking about the future as projected from the present trajectory, perhaps a hundred years from now, I can only perceive a grey meaninglessness.
    A consolation prize is just that; a participant was there, gets a prize regardless of merit. Thus, any consideration of appreciation, enjoyment, admiration, accomplishment, talent, all of it becomes meaningless, as only being there counts. Surely this can be the future for the plebs only. Not for the big movers and shakers.
    Who would have thought that this world which once had such high aspirations would end up as a contemptible rag. Only separation from this mire will be a satisfactory solution to an otherwise darkening sun over life's aspirations and potential.

    A consolation prize is just that; a participant was there, gets a prize regardless of merit…

    As dysfunctional as is a world of mere consolation prizes, today we are even worse in that we give accomplishment prizes for merely being Black; or a “migrant”; or transgendered; etc.

  76. @obwandiyag
    Do you sound so stupid on purpose or is it just natural?

    lol if catty homo posters like you hate it, it’s working fine enough

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