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The NYT Editorialists take time out from warning us of the constant threat of Mass Shootings by Dylann Roof types to urge everybody not to react to the bombs in its circulation zone.

Twitter erupted, which is what Twitter does. Donald Trump told a crowd there had been a bombing and we had to get tough, folks. A sideshow battle blew up over who had been quickest to call it, as if this were some game show or reality TV. Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey, who has sequestered his reason and decency so he can flack for Mr. Trump, used the Chelsea blast to attack Hillary Clinton on Sunday TV, darkly suggesting that she and her party, and the president, were somehow responsible.

On Sunday morning, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said, as Mr. de Blasio had the night before, that there was no evidence linking the bombing to international terrorism, though whoever did it clearly wanted to spread terror: “They want to make you afraid. They want to make you worry about going into New York City or New York State.”

The right response to this constant, unending, low-level threat of sudden violence is to stay vigilant and reasonable, to clean up the damage, care for the injured, look out for one another, and elect leaders who will address the challenge with sanity and good judgment. And avoid the wrong responses: A police-state overreaction would be equally damaging in its own way by adding to the intolerance and suspicion that can foster radicalization, isolation and hatred.

Remain calm, have a few drinks, then a few more, get blackout drunk, and remember nothing in the morning.

 
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  1. It’s interesting that they managed to write that whole thing without mentioning Islamic terrorism, since that was clearly the missing term and that’s why they wrote ” by adding to the intolerance and suspicion that can foster radicalization, isolation and hatred.”

    So, in other words, we know Muslims did it, and you know that Muslims did it, but if we say that Muslims did it we will be making things difficult for Muslims. Yeah, OK.

    • Replies: @Abe

    So, in other words, we know Muslims did it, and you know that Muslims did it, but if we say that Muslims did it we will be making things difficult for Muslims. Yeah, OK.
     
    SP, while it is certainly likely that the bombs were the work of Muslims, I personally would not go out on a limb and lay the blame on them just yet, as the ineffective way in which this was executed does not rule out a crazy individual of just about any background. I guess I'm just used to bonafide Muslim terrorist attacks having pretty high body counts, partly due to their perpetrators' willingness to die in the act. The MO here is very similar to the Boston Marathon bombings, admittedly, but the way in which the attacker prioritized not getting caught, rather than inflicting the most carnage, strikes me as a bit off from your usual jihadist atrocity.
  2. Welp. There it is. The official acknowledgement that frequent, low-level terror attacks are the new normal.

    Glad I got to see the day where we turned that particular corner.

    • Replies: @Abe

    Welp. There it is. The official acknowledgement that frequent, low-level terror attacks are the new normal.
     
    Why not? The Cathedral just keeps moving the goal posts back without ever having the decency to acknowledge it. It went from "immigration is nothing to worry about, they'll assimilate like all the people who passed through Ellis Island before them" to "OK, they won't assimilate, we're a multicultural country now (and if you think about it, have always been one), but we'll still have our same democratic freedoms" to "OK, we'll have to have a discussion on what it means to be democratic now (and discuss bringing that pesky 1st Amendment up-to-date), but- hey- at least the government keeps us safe!" to "OK, this country is starting to look like Pakistan, but- hey- at least it's not Lebanon in the 70's!"
    , @Chrisnonymous
    I agree. I had been wondering about that myself. A sad, sad day.
  3. What can we do to actually destroy, peacefully, of course, the NYTimes, once and for all?

    • Replies: @laura r
    where theres a buyer there is a seller. any takers??
    , @Dissident
    What would that accomplish? Isn't the NY Times merely one tentacle of a beast with many tentacles, each of which will grow right back if severed?
  4. We are past 1984 and on our way to Brazil. Not there yet though. Tom Stoppard, as you know.

    INTERVIEWER
    Deputy minister, what do you believe
    is behind this recent increase in
    terrorist bombings?

    HELPMANN
    Bad sportsmanship. A ruthless
    minority of people seems to have
    forgotten certain good old fashioned
    virtues. They just can’t stand
    seeing the other fellow win. If
    these people would just play the
    game, instead of standing on the
    touch line heckling

    INTERVIEWER
    In fact, killing people

    HELPMANN
    In fact, killing people they’d
    get a lot more out of life.

    INTERVIEWER
    Mr. Helpmann, what would you say
    to those critics who maintain that
    the Ministry Of Information has
    become too large and unwieldy… ?

    HELPMANN
    David… in a free society
    information is the name of the
    game. You can’t win the game if
    you’re a man short.

    INTERVIEWER
    And the cost of it all, Deputy
    Minister? Seven percent of the
    gross national produce…

    HELPMANN
    I understand this concern on behalf
    of the tax-payers. People want
    value for money and a cost-effective
    service.

    HELPMANN
    That is why we always insist on
    the principle of Information
    Retrieval Charges. These terrorists
    are not pulling their weight, and
    it’s absolutely right and fair
    that those found guilty should pay
    for their periods of detention and
    the Information Retrieval Procedures
    used in their interrogation.

    INTERVIEWER
    Do you think that the government
    is winning the battle against
    terrorists?

    HELPMANN
    On yes. Our morale is much higher
    than theirs, we’re fielding all
    their strokes, running a lot of
    them out, and pretty consistently
    knocking them for six. I’d say
    they’re nearly out of the game.

    INTERVIEWER
    But the bombing campaign is now in
    its thirteenth year…

    HELPMANN
    Beginner’s luck.

    INTERVIEWER
    Thank you very much, Deputy
    Minister.

    HELPMANN
    Thank you, David… and a very
    merry Christmas to you all.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "We are past 1984 and on our way to Brazil."

    Islamic terrorism on U.S soil reminds you of Brazil?

    , @Matthew Kelly
    I was thinking the same thing. Particularly the scene where they're in a restaurant and a bomb goes off, and the wait staff try to act like nothing happened.
  5. • Agree: Percy Gryce
    • Replies: @Forbes
    In other words, the radicalization, isolation, and hatred responsible for this sudden violence has been caused by the poor judgment demonstrated by insane elected leaders who are intolerant and suspicious.
  6. Don’t be ridiculous. The Somalis in Minnesota have contributed so many positive things to America, and we are lucky to have them. Why, just off the top of my head, um, errr…. Well, a lot of things, I bet.

    • Replies: @guest
    There was that one guy in the movie Captain Phillips. I think he may have been in MN for a bit. Everyone liked it when he said "I'm the captain now."

    That is the sum total of Somali contribution to American culture.
    , @415 reasons
    There is a butcher shop in South Minneapolis where you can buy camel meat. It's called "Dur Dur Bakery." Oh how exciting it is to try all these wonderful foreign cuisines!
    , @anon
    Duh! Haven't you ever heard of a clock?
  7. This would have been a good editorial-with some edits-to have written in September 2001, with a suitable identification of the threat, Saudi sponsored radicalization. That we should go about our business, chin-up, like the Brits during the Blitz with a single concession by our way of life-profiling.

    Instead we got the death-by-a-thousand-cuts national security state wherein Grandma Betsy from Kansas gets body scanned every time she gets on a flight and the NSA (presumably) tracks our posting on iSteve.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Instead we got the death-by-a-thousand-cuts national security state wherein Grandma Betsy from Kansas gets body scanned every time she gets on a flight and the NSA (presumably) tracks our posting on iSteve."

    Are you saying White grandmothers from Flyover Country are not easily brainwashed into converting to Islam and pledging allegiance to ISIS?

    Are you saying Omar Mateen and the Somali stabber in Minnesota are not White grandmothers? They can be White grandmothers after all race, age, & gender are social constructs.

    , @Expletive Deleted
    In tandem with Hermann's Homewreckers' nightly raves, the Brits also had serious mass internment (a Brit speciality, since at least Boer War times).
    Even Germanicalist Jews got stuck on the dismal Isle of Man, thus avoiding the embarrassingly bad publicity of actual wire and machine-gun towers round the camps. Got some good archaeology out of it, due to bored professors etc. being holed up there with only the three-legged tail-less indigenes to talk to.
    Winston simply barked the gin-fuelled order "Collar the lot!", and lo! it came to pass.
  8. @Boomstick
    Don't be ridiculous. The Somalis in Minnesota have contributed so many positive things to America, and we are lucky to have them. Why, just off the top of my head, um, errr.... Well, a lot of things, I bet.

    There was that one guy in the movie Captain Phillips. I think he may have been in MN for a bit. Everyone liked it when he said “I’m the captain now.”

    That is the sum total of Somali contribution to American culture.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    I read an article a while back about how that Somali actor was broke and out of work in Los Angeles, IIRC.

    Movie idea: unemployed Somali actors take Tom Hanks hostage, demanding more film roles.
    , @Jefferson
    "There was that one guy in the movie Captain Phillips. I think he may have been in MN for a bit. Everyone liked it when he said “I’m the captain now.”

    That is the sum total of Somali contribution to American culture."

    His forehead alone makes him stand out as a foreigner in The U.S. A lot of African Horners have weird shaped foreheads that you do not see in a lot of Americans regardless of pigmentation.
    , @snorlax
    Let's see, there's Iman, who married David Bowie and is pretty. And Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who's quite an admirable individual. And, uh...
    , @Mr. Anon
    Mass stabbings in a shopping mall. That is their real contribution to American culture.
  9. @e
    What can we do to actually destroy, peacefully, of course, the NYTimes, once and for all?

    where theres a buyer there is a seller. any takers??

  10. law enforcement discovered three pipe bombs and two smaller devices at a train station in Elizabeth, New Jersey, near to Newark Liberty International Airport Sunday…

    Five people have been taken into custody in connection with the New York City bombing after the FBI discovered a bomb cache in New Jersey and stopped a car near New York City’s Verrazano Bridge on Sunday night. The FBI is believed to have called the NYPD for backup at around 8.45pm after making the decision to halt a car on the busy Belt Parkway and found the occupants were heavily armed.

    All Amtrak trains are currently at a halt that are in the area. Trains are currently being held at Penn Station, the site where a Muslim earlier this past week took a meat cleaver and attacked police officers. One the guy was identified as a Muslim, the media dropped that story…

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    you were the first one to report on the news! Even if there are new details, you got it before the MSM.
  11. @wren
    We are past 1984 and on our way to Brazil. Not there yet though. Tom Stoppard, as you know.

    INTERVIEWER
    Deputy minister, what do you believe
    is behind this recent increase in
    terrorist bombings?

    HELPMANN
    Bad sportsmanship. A ruthless
    minority of people seems to have
    forgotten certain good old fashioned
    virtues. They just can't stand
    seeing the other fellow win. If
    these people would just play the
    game, instead of standing on the
    touch line heckling

    INTERVIEWER
    In fact, killing people

    HELPMANN
    In fact, killing people they'd
    get a lot more out of life.

    INTERVIEWER
    Mr. Helpmann, what would you say
    to those critics who maintain that
    the Ministry Of Information has
    become too large and unwieldy... ?

    HELPMANN
    David... in a free society
    information is the name of the
    game. You can't win the game if
    you're a man short.

    INTERVIEWER
    And the cost of it all, Deputy
    Minister? Seven percent of the
    gross national produce...

    HELPMANN
    I understand this concern on behalf
    of the tax-payers. People want
    value for money and a cost-effective
    service.

    HELPMANN
    That is why we always insist on
    the principle of Information
    Retrieval Charges. These terrorists
    are not pulling their weight, and
    it's absolutely right and fair
    that those found guilty should pay
    for their periods of detention and
    the Information Retrieval Procedures
    used in their interrogation.

    INTERVIEWER
    Do you think that the government
    is winning the battle against
    terrorists?

    HELPMANN
    On yes. Our morale is much higher
    than theirs, we're fielding all
    their strokes, running a lot of
    them out, and pretty consistently
    knocking them for six. I'd say
    they're nearly out of the game.

    INTERVIEWER
    But the bombing campaign is now in
    its thirteenth year...

    HELPMANN
    Beginner's luck.


    INTERVIEWER
    Thank you very much, Deputy
    Minister.

    HELPMANN
    Thank you, David... and a very
    merry Christmas to you all.

    “We are past 1984 and on our way to Brazil.”

    Islamic terrorism on U.S soil reminds you of Brazil?

    • Replies: @Ivy
    Brazil, movie by Terry Gilliam of the Monty Python troupe.
  12. Something tells me the NYT would love a police state–if it was used to clamp down on people who question the wisdom of importing Somalis.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Something tells me the NYT would love a police state–if it was used to clamp down on people who question the wisdom of importing Somalis."

    The New York Times favor a police state on free speech they disagree with and on law abiding Whites who legally own guns.

    The Socialists and Communists who work for The New York Times are not exactly the best vessel to advocate against a police state.

    , @Percy Gryce
    Something like Tom Friedman saying that he wished we could be the People's Republic of China for one day? Something like that?
    , @Dissident
    Or of any of the other sacred doctrines of the prevailing orthodoxy. For a glimpse of where we are heading, just at look at Britain and Canada.
  13. @Boomstick
    Don't be ridiculous. The Somalis in Minnesota have contributed so many positive things to America, and we are lucky to have them. Why, just off the top of my head, um, errr.... Well, a lot of things, I bet.

    There is a butcher shop in South Minneapolis where you can buy camel meat. It’s called “Dur Dur Bakery.” Oh how exciting it is to try all these wonderful foreign cuisines!

    • Replies: @anon
    Totally.

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/15/asia/bangladesh-blood-rivers/
  14. @Jefferson
    "We are past 1984 and on our way to Brazil."

    Islamic terrorism on U.S soil reminds you of Brazil?

    Brazil, movie by Terry Gilliam of the Monty Python troupe.

    • Replies: @White Guy In Japan
    Which was the Monty Pythonization of 1984. Great film, by the way.
  15. @PiltdownMan
    This would have been a good editorial-with some edits-to have written in September 2001, with a suitable identification of the threat, Saudi sponsored radicalization. That we should go about our business, chin-up, like the Brits during the Blitz with a single concession by our way of life-profiling.

    Instead we got the death-by-a-thousand-cuts national security state wherein Grandma Betsy from Kansas gets body scanned every time she gets on a flight and the NSA (presumably) tracks our posting on iSteve.

    “Instead we got the death-by-a-thousand-cuts national security state wherein Grandma Betsy from Kansas gets body scanned every time she gets on a flight and the NSA (presumably) tracks our posting on iSteve.”

    Are you saying White grandmothers from Flyover Country are not easily brainwashed into converting to Islam and pledging allegiance to ISIS?

    Are you saying Omar Mateen and the Somali stabber in Minnesota are not White grandmothers? They can be White grandmothers after all race, age, & gender are social constructs.

    • Replies: @415 reasons
    Time itself is a social construct
    , @PiltdownMan
    What White grandmother?
    , @Abe

    Are you saying White grandmothers from Flyover Country are not easily brainwashed into converting to Islam and pledging allegiance to ISIS?
     
    The funny thing is during the Cold War this was the exact dilemma of American intelligence. Who is a communist agent, or else sympathetic to the communist system, or else so alienated from their own society they are willing to be useful stooges for communists, as they feel their own side is just as bad? From the 50's to the late 80's it could have been that white college student, or that radical Catholic priest/nun, or that black public school teacher. And, yes, it could have even been a white grandmother from Flyover Country, particularly if she were of Quaker or Unitarian background.
  16. In December Scott Adams was saying that Trump gambled there would be terrorism between then and the election and committed to a ban on Muslims.

    People called him out on it, but when the bombs start going off those same people want a strong dad who makes the tough decisions to keep them safe. Not a mom who makes them sandwiches.

    The msm will be working very hard to let people know that there are no bombs going off, nor Muslim slashers in suburban shopping malls.

    http://blog.dilbert.com/post/134791529391/risk-management-trump-persuasion-series

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    People called him out on it, but when the bombs start going off those same people want a strong dad who makes the tough decisions to keep them safe. Not a mom who makes them sandwiches.
     
    Anti-Trumper Rod Dreher
    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/pope-surrender-means-security/

    The more things like this happen, the more sense Trump’s idea to halt Muslim immigration for the time being makes.
     
  17. Donald Trump told a crowd there had been a bombing and we had to get tough, folks.

    My God, I can’t believe the level of derangement in this man.

    I can’t even contemplate what would come of our country were he to become President.

  18. The right response to this constant, unending, low-level threat of sudden violence is to stay vigilant and reasonable, to clean up the damage, care for the injured, look out for one another, and elect leaders who will address the challenge with sanity and good judgment.

    In other words a steady dribble of minor terrorist attacks is the New Normal for American society and we need to get used to it. Not even the gloomiest immigration skeptics of the 1990s envisioned this scenario.

    Also we are not allowed to discuss how we arrived at this situation and how to proceed. We must clean up and take care of each other because we are not allowed to have the agency to live in a society with terrorism.

    • Agree: Abe
  19. @wren
    We are past 1984 and on our way to Brazil. Not there yet though. Tom Stoppard, as you know.

    INTERVIEWER
    Deputy minister, what do you believe
    is behind this recent increase in
    terrorist bombings?

    HELPMANN
    Bad sportsmanship. A ruthless
    minority of people seems to have
    forgotten certain good old fashioned
    virtues. They just can't stand
    seeing the other fellow win. If
    these people would just play the
    game, instead of standing on the
    touch line heckling

    INTERVIEWER
    In fact, killing people

    HELPMANN
    In fact, killing people they'd
    get a lot more out of life.

    INTERVIEWER
    Mr. Helpmann, what would you say
    to those critics who maintain that
    the Ministry Of Information has
    become too large and unwieldy... ?

    HELPMANN
    David... in a free society
    information is the name of the
    game. You can't win the game if
    you're a man short.

    INTERVIEWER
    And the cost of it all, Deputy
    Minister? Seven percent of the
    gross national produce...

    HELPMANN
    I understand this concern on behalf
    of the tax-payers. People want
    value for money and a cost-effective
    service.

    HELPMANN
    That is why we always insist on
    the principle of Information
    Retrieval Charges. These terrorists
    are not pulling their weight, and
    it's absolutely right and fair
    that those found guilty should pay
    for their periods of detention and
    the Information Retrieval Procedures
    used in their interrogation.

    INTERVIEWER
    Do you think that the government
    is winning the battle against
    terrorists?

    HELPMANN
    On yes. Our morale is much higher
    than theirs, we're fielding all
    their strokes, running a lot of
    them out, and pretty consistently
    knocking them for six. I'd say
    they're nearly out of the game.

    INTERVIEWER
    But the bombing campaign is now in
    its thirteenth year...

    HELPMANN
    Beginner's luck.


    INTERVIEWER
    Thank you very much, Deputy
    Minister.

    HELPMANN
    Thank you, David... and a very
    merry Christmas to you all.

    I was thinking the same thing. Particularly the scene where they’re in a restaurant and a bomb goes off, and the wait staff try to act like nothing happened.

    • Replies: @wren
    http://www.dailyscript.com/scripts/brazil.html

    Enjoy.

    That was a classic scene all around, between the waiter and the food and the costumes and the bombing in the background.

    Salt? Medical gift tokens? Etc.

  20. @guest
    There was that one guy in the movie Captain Phillips. I think he may have been in MN for a bit. Everyone liked it when he said "I'm the captain now."

    That is the sum total of Somali contribution to American culture.

    I read an article a while back about how that Somali actor was broke and out of work in Los Angeles, IIRC.

    Movie idea: unemployed Somali actors take Tom Hanks hostage, demanding more film roles.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Tom Hanks replies to Somali actor who kidnaps him, "Kill me now, before I have to go on the publicity tour promoting my upcoming Dan Brown movie."
  21. @Boomstick
    Don't be ridiculous. The Somalis in Minnesota have contributed so many positive things to America, and we are lucky to have them. Why, just off the top of my head, um, errr.... Well, a lot of things, I bet.

    Duh! Haven’t you ever heard of a clock?

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Duh! Haven’t you ever heard of a clock?"

    Clock Boy is Sudanese, but he can pass for a Somali.
  22. @guest
    There was that one guy in the movie Captain Phillips. I think he may have been in MN for a bit. Everyone liked it when he said "I'm the captain now."

    That is the sum total of Somali contribution to American culture.

    “There was that one guy in the movie Captain Phillips. I think he may have been in MN for a bit. Everyone liked it when he said “I’m the captain now.”

    That is the sum total of Somali contribution to American culture.”

    His forehead alone makes him stand out as a foreigner in The U.S. A lot of African Horners have weird shaped foreheads that you do not see in a lot of Americans regardless of pigmentation.

    • LOL: 415 reasons
  23. @415 reasons
    There is a butcher shop in South Minneapolis where you can buy camel meat. It's called "Dur Dur Bakery." Oh how exciting it is to try all these wonderful foreign cuisines!
  24. @Dave Pinsen
    I read an article a while back about how that Somali actor was broke and out of work in Los Angeles, IIRC.

    Movie idea: unemployed Somali actors take Tom Hanks hostage, demanding more film roles.

    Tom Hanks replies to Somali actor who kidnaps him, “Kill me now, before I have to go on the publicity tour promoting my upcoming Dan Brown movie.”

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    Tom Hanks replies to Somali actor who kidnaps him, “Kill me now, before I have to go on the publicity tour promoting my upcoming Dan Brown movie.”

     

    Good one. But, you know, Tom could quit doing those movies if he wanted to. He can't be too hard up at this point. Or are the Illuminati coercing him?
    , @Desiderius
    Opie needs Andy to talk some sense into him.
  25. I wish they would write this article about police shootings or hate crimes.

    • Agree: sayless
  26. @Matthew Kelly
    I was thinking the same thing. Particularly the scene where they're in a restaurant and a bomb goes off, and the wait staff try to act like nothing happened.

    http://www.dailyscript.com/scripts/brazil.html

    Enjoy.

    That was a classic scene all around, between the waiter and the food and the costumes and the bombing in the background.

    Salt? Medical gift tokens? Etc.

  27. They want to make you afraid.

    No. If they wanted that they would buy you a Stephen King novel.

    They want to kill you. The purpose of trying to kill you, is to kill you.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas
    The funny thing about the NYT taking the brave, stiff upper lip stance is that when the threat has even the slightest possibility of landing at its doorstep - for example, when a newsworthy cartoon of Mohammed is the jumping-off point for worldwide Muslim street riots - the decision-makers cower in their offices and fabricate reasons why the cartoon mustn't be republished in the pages of the NYT and why those who would pen other cartoons of Mohammed in the United States of America are responsible for Islamic attacks which they tacitly concede are inevitable. Because of cartoons. Don't be afraid, dumb Americans, but if you do draw a cartoon you're responsible for man-made disasters of indeterminate origin that would befall us all for some unstated reasons.
  28. @anon
    Duh! Haven't you ever heard of a clock?

    “Duh! Haven’t you ever heard of a clock?”

    Clock Boy is Sudanese, but he can pass for a Somali.

    • Replies: @anon
    Oh, you're right.

    Damn it. I thought that was kind of clever when I came up with it.
  29. @Jefferson
    "Instead we got the death-by-a-thousand-cuts national security state wherein Grandma Betsy from Kansas gets body scanned every time she gets on a flight and the NSA (presumably) tracks our posting on iSteve."

    Are you saying White grandmothers from Flyover Country are not easily brainwashed into converting to Islam and pledging allegiance to ISIS?

    Are you saying Omar Mateen and the Somali stabber in Minnesota are not White grandmothers? They can be White grandmothers after all race, age, & gender are social constructs.

    Time itself is a social construct

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    Is social construct itself a social construct? Is it turtles all the way down?
  30. This New York Times editorial is a sort of prequel to the media blackout described in Michel Houellebecq’s “Submission” where large and blatant battles between Islamists and French patriots were ignored in the media. Critics of the book laughed at the improbability of such a situation arising but we see in this article the elite media desire to play down any signs of Islamic Supremacy imposing itself on the West.

    What’s interesting is that several Jewish media figures (Nate Silver, Josh Marshall) immediately realized it was Islamic–as opposed to Right Wing–terror because they quickly started playing defense and downplaying the event. Had a young white man, hopped up on too many Pepe memes, committed anything like this, the resulting hysteria would have been endless.

    • Replies: @Percy Gryce

    Had a young white man, hopped up on too many Pepe memes, committed anything like this, the resulting hysteria would have been endless.
     
    I've never heard so many lefties and liberals refer to a church as "mother" (Mother Emanuel)--an expression with deep theological meaning--as when a young white psycho shoots up a black church's congregation.
  31. @Steve Sailer
    Tom Hanks replies to Somali actor who kidnaps him, "Kill me now, before I have to go on the publicity tour promoting my upcoming Dan Brown movie."

    Tom Hanks replies to Somali actor who kidnaps him, “Kill me now, before I have to go on the publicity tour promoting my upcoming Dan Brown movie.”

    Good one. But, you know, Tom could quit doing those movies if he wanted to. He can’t be too hard up at this point. Or are the Illuminati coercing him?

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    I know a 91 year old real estate investor who still drives out to look at strip malls to buy. Some people don't take to hobbies, I guess.
    , @MC
    I think popcorn movies are the price people like Tom Hanks pay to get whatever vanity projects they have in the hopper financed by OPM.
  32. @guest
    There was that one guy in the movie Captain Phillips. I think he may have been in MN for a bit. Everyone liked it when he said "I'm the captain now."

    That is the sum total of Somali contribution to American culture.

    Let’s see, there’s Iman, who married David Bowie and is pretty. And Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who’s quite an admirable individual. And, uh…

    • Replies: @guest
    Iman contributed to British culture, maybe. But not so much American.
    , @Percy Gryce

    Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who’s quite an admirable individual
     
    She's also a homewrecker.
    , @JohnnyD
    @Snorlax
    It hasn't dawn on people that we can keep Ayaan Hirsi Ali without importing every Somali.
  33. @JohnnyD
    Something tells me the NYT would love a police state--if it was used to clamp down on people who question the wisdom of importing Somalis.

    “Something tells me the NYT would love a police state–if it was used to clamp down on people who question the wisdom of importing Somalis.”

    The New York Times favor a police state on free speech they disagree with and on law abiding Whites who legally own guns.

    The Socialists and Communists who work for The New York Times are not exactly the best vessel to advocate against a police state.

  34. @Jefferson
    "Instead we got the death-by-a-thousand-cuts national security state wherein Grandma Betsy from Kansas gets body scanned every time she gets on a flight and the NSA (presumably) tracks our posting on iSteve."

    Are you saying White grandmothers from Flyover Country are not easily brainwashed into converting to Islam and pledging allegiance to ISIS?

    Are you saying Omar Mateen and the Somali stabber in Minnesota are not White grandmothers? They can be White grandmothers after all race, age, & gender are social constructs.

    What White grandmother?

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "What White grandmother?"

    Grandma Betsy from Kansas is White.
  35. Mexican Presidential Candidate Joe T. Hodo on Donald J. Trump:

  36. @The Last Real Calvinist

    Tom Hanks replies to Somali actor who kidnaps him, “Kill me now, before I have to go on the publicity tour promoting my upcoming Dan Brown movie.”

     

    Good one. But, you know, Tom could quit doing those movies if he wanted to. He can't be too hard up at this point. Or are the Illuminati coercing him?

    I know a 91 year old real estate investor who still drives out to look at strip malls to buy. Some people don’t take to hobbies, I guess.

  37. @PiltdownMan
    What White grandmother?

    “What White grandmother?”

    Grandma Betsy from Kansas is White.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    :) Just kidding.
  38. @SPMoore8
    It's interesting that they managed to write that whole thing without mentioning Islamic terrorism, since that was clearly the missing term and that's why they wrote " by adding to the intolerance and suspicion that can foster radicalization, isolation and hatred."

    So, in other words, we know Muslims did it, and you know that Muslims did it, but if we say that Muslims did it we will be making things difficult for Muslims. Yeah, OK.

    So, in other words, we know Muslims did it, and you know that Muslims did it, but if we say that Muslims did it we will be making things difficult for Muslims. Yeah, OK.

    SP, while it is certainly likely that the bombs were the work of Muslims, I personally would not go out on a limb and lay the blame on them just yet, as the ineffective way in which this was executed does not rule out a crazy individual of just about any background. I guess I’m just used to bonafide Muslim terrorist attacks having pretty high body counts, partly due to their perpetrators’ willingness to die in the act. The MO here is very similar to the Boston Marathon bombings, admittedly, but the way in which the attacker prioritized not getting caught, rather than inflicting the most carnage, strikes me as a bit off from your usual jihadist atrocity.

    • Replies: @anon
    but the way in which the attacker prioritized not getting caught, rather than inflicting the most carnage,

    What if he was prioritizing not getting caught so he could plant more bombs, to inflict more carnage?

    That guy in Germany, who couldn't get into the music festival, so he just blew himself up the next place he went, instead of finding a better place, didn't seem to be all that dedicated to causing as much carnage as he could.

    The stabbers in Minnesota and Europe could have probably found a way to kill more people than with a knife if they'd just tried a little harder too.

    My general assumption when it comes to Islamic terrorists is that they're not exactly rocket scientists.
    , @SPMoore8
    Abe, you make a good point. But actually I don't know if it was done by Muslims. However given the way they wrote their editorial, the Times clearly thinks it was Muslims.
    , @Spmoore8
    Abe, you make a good point. But actually I don't know if this was done by Muslims. Clearly, however, given their circuitous verbiage, the Times does think it was done by Muslims. If it was done by White Nationalists, they wouldn't hedge their words.
    , @Lagertha
    By Monday, we know it is all Muslims. Knives, meatcleavers, bombs, machine guns, boxcutters, swords, acid throwing/burning people alive, trucks (so weird), IEDs, whatever. Keep these people and their progeny out. It has brought nothing but misery to Europe...and there has been absolutely no benefit for society, culture, science, commerce. Muslims refuse to integrate, and are a net drain on the host society in each European country...yet they demand social services and benefits. Maybe about 10% of the migrants (not talking about the people already in Europe for 2-3 generations) are decent folks, family people, but 90% are single, unmarried teens/young men -that's what I see lurching around in packs in the cities in Europe.

    Every country needs to be highly selective as to what kind of people it admits to its country. Why this is lost on American Democrats and EU losers, is just baffling. At what point, will all the so-called rational people realize that it endangers them and their children, not to mention the society they have always believed in? - the Chelsea location was particularly interesting to me.

    It is impossible to wage a campaign against a messianic ideology that believes it is supreme: an ideology that is poised to wait a millennia, hitting soft targets. This is not an ideology that cares about the NYT, a paper so full of supercilious, oleaginous opinions...consistently giving wussy-assed excuses of terrorism committed by Muslims these last 2 years.

    Jihadis don't care about humanism/enlightenment. The only choice is to bar people from the borders of each country. And, can the NYT and other national sell-outs-of-the-American-people, stop with the "we need more immigrants!" - it's b.s. and they know it: Immigration is hurting the future of generations of poor people in our country for a century or more - there's only so much money to go around since all economies are weak world-wide. No Western country can afford more immigrants. Interesting how all talk about the Qatar soccer stadiums has stopped, right? :).

    And, my thought as to why these were not suicide bombers like in Europe: these are American-style Jihadis. They wanna go back to their flats above chicken shacks; watch TV and smoke pot, and...keep collecting welfare/state subsidies...so they can eventually get to California and hang-out in Venice. Remember; that heinous San Bernadino ugly couple, didn't want to die either...but they got the Die Hard treatment in the end, didn't they? I think if anything, the police and people will get more militarized. This is the dirty secret of wealthy "progressives," the "I'll fight for gun control, but I'm gonna get a 2nd weapon for my house in the Hamptons...oh, and a couple of $10,000 a piece (kid you not) attack dogs. All for the kids, btw...but don't tell my neighbors or friends."

  39. People shouldn’t be surprised that a fish wrapper like the NYT is channeling Merkel and Obama on this. It’s a pro-globalist, pro-destruction of whites via demographics sort of paper.

    In short they are just trying to soft peddle the fact that their precious imports are bloodthirsty religious fanatics. All is fine on the goodship Lollipop.

    Our saving grace in this so far has been the relative low IQ of the buggers doing this. Had they had a little more going on upstairs they could inflict some show stopper damage with just a little effort.

    They may still one day, I don’t think we’re seeing their A team, more like the irregulars and cannon fodder at this stage.

    Will the Left and globalists ever take it seriously? No. Charlie Hebdo and the subsequent mass killing in Paris show the elites are totally impervious to reality. The have more in common with the Eloi than your normal human being.

  40. In the WWII Biltz on Britain, people were proud to “carry on regardless”, opening shops for business even if all its windows had been blown out. This made sense in the context of the whole country already being committed to an all-out war against the Germans.

    In boxing terms this would be like taking a punch and getting back into your fighting stance as soon as you can.

    In the 21st century This “carry on regardless” meme has been perverted to suggest that we should just do nothing in with a government that is half-hearted at best in tackling the enemy.

    The boxing parallel would be one boxer walking around the ring looking at his iPhone whilst his opponent thumps him mercilessly.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    In the 21st century This “carry on regardless” meme has been perverted to suggest that we should just do nothing in with a government that is half-hearted at best in tackling the enemy.
     
    In league with the enemy, really.
  41. @Ivy
    Brazil, movie by Terry Gilliam of the Monty Python troupe.

    Which was the Monty Pythonization of 1984. Great film, by the way.

    • Replies: @wren
    So...what's this about all these Japanese virgins all of the sudden?

    I find it very hard to believe, myself.

    , @Mr. Anon
    "Which was the Monty Pythonization of 1984. Great film, by the way."

    Not really. It had it's moments. But the movie, much like that vile trash made by the degenerate Wachowski brothers, V for Vendetta, portrayed an essentially traditional (i.e. Tory) Britain as being inherently fascistic. Well, which political stripe really turned Britain into a police state? Which politician did more to realize that? Thatcher or Blair?

    Terry Gilliam is a pretentious left-wing douchebag.

  42. @Jefferson
    "Duh! Haven’t you ever heard of a clock?"

    Clock Boy is Sudanese, but he can pass for a Somali.

    Oh, you’re right.

    Damn it. I thought that was kind of clever when I came up with it.

  43. @Jefferson
    "Instead we got the death-by-a-thousand-cuts national security state wherein Grandma Betsy from Kansas gets body scanned every time she gets on a flight and the NSA (presumably) tracks our posting on iSteve."

    Are you saying White grandmothers from Flyover Country are not easily brainwashed into converting to Islam and pledging allegiance to ISIS?

    Are you saying Omar Mateen and the Somali stabber in Minnesota are not White grandmothers? They can be White grandmothers after all race, age, & gender are social constructs.

    Are you saying White grandmothers from Flyover Country are not easily brainwashed into converting to Islam and pledging allegiance to ISIS?

    The funny thing is during the Cold War this was the exact dilemma of American intelligence. Who is a communist agent, or else sympathetic to the communist system, or else so alienated from their own society they are willing to be useful stooges for communists, as they feel their own side is just as bad? From the 50’s to the late 80’s it could have been that white college student, or that radical Catholic priest/nun, or that black public school teacher. And, yes, it could have even been a white grandmother from Flyover Country, particularly if she were of Quaker or Unitarian background.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "Who is a communist agent, or else sympathetic to the communist system, or else so alienated from their own society they are willing to be useful stooges for communists, as they feel their own side is just as bad? From the 50′s to the late 80′s it could have been that white college student, or that radical Catholic priest/nun, or that black public school teacher."

    Well, that's certainly disingenuous. How many black public school teachers or Catholic nuns turned out to be especially damaging communist stooges? Isn't there some other group that you are omitting? And whoever could that be?

    , @Jefferson
    "The funny thing is during the Cold War this was the exact dilemma of American intelligence. Who is a communist agent, or else sympathetic to the communist system, or else so alienated from their own society they are willing to be useful stooges for communists, as they feel their own side is just as bad? From the 50′s to the late 80′s it could have been that white college student, or that radical Catholic priest/nun, or that black public school teacher. And, yes, it could have even been a white grandmother from Flyover Country, particularly if she were of Quaker or Unitarian background."

    We haven't had any Allahu Akbar Jihadists who look like Estelle Getty, Rue McClanahan, Bea Arthur, and Betty White.
    , @Hibernian
    "When the radical priest,
    Comes to get us released
    We'll all be on the cover of Newsweek"
  44. @snorlax
    Let's see, there's Iman, who married David Bowie and is pretty. And Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who's quite an admirable individual. And, uh...

    Iman contributed to British culture, maybe. But not so much American.

  45. @415 reasons
    Time itself is a social construct

    Is social construct itself a social construct? Is it turtles all the way down?

  46. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Abe

    So, in other words, we know Muslims did it, and you know that Muslims did it, but if we say that Muslims did it we will be making things difficult for Muslims. Yeah, OK.
     
    SP, while it is certainly likely that the bombs were the work of Muslims, I personally would not go out on a limb and lay the blame on them just yet, as the ineffective way in which this was executed does not rule out a crazy individual of just about any background. I guess I'm just used to bonafide Muslim terrorist attacks having pretty high body counts, partly due to their perpetrators' willingness to die in the act. The MO here is very similar to the Boston Marathon bombings, admittedly, but the way in which the attacker prioritized not getting caught, rather than inflicting the most carnage, strikes me as a bit off from your usual jihadist atrocity.

    but the way in which the attacker prioritized not getting caught, rather than inflicting the most carnage,

    What if he was prioritizing not getting caught so he could plant more bombs, to inflict more carnage?

    That guy in Germany, who couldn’t get into the music festival, so he just blew himself up the next place he went, instead of finding a better place, didn’t seem to be all that dedicated to causing as much carnage as he could.

    The stabbers in Minnesota and Europe could have probably found a way to kill more people than with a knife if they’d just tried a little harder too.

    My general assumption when it comes to Islamic terrorists is that they’re not exactly rocket scientists.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    They're IED scientists.
  47. @guest
    There was that one guy in the movie Captain Phillips. I think he may have been in MN for a bit. Everyone liked it when he said "I'm the captain now."

    That is the sum total of Somali contribution to American culture.

    Mass stabbings in a shopping mall. That is their real contribution to American culture.

  48. @Abe

    So, in other words, we know Muslims did it, and you know that Muslims did it, but if we say that Muslims did it we will be making things difficult for Muslims. Yeah, OK.
     
    SP, while it is certainly likely that the bombs were the work of Muslims, I personally would not go out on a limb and lay the blame on them just yet, as the ineffective way in which this was executed does not rule out a crazy individual of just about any background. I guess I'm just used to bonafide Muslim terrorist attacks having pretty high body counts, partly due to their perpetrators' willingness to die in the act. The MO here is very similar to the Boston Marathon bombings, admittedly, but the way in which the attacker prioritized not getting caught, rather than inflicting the most carnage, strikes me as a bit off from your usual jihadist atrocity.

    Abe, you make a good point. But actually I don’t know if it was done by Muslims. However given the way they wrote their editorial, the Times clearly thinks it was Muslims.

  49. @White Guy In Japan
    Which was the Monty Pythonization of 1984. Great film, by the way.

    So…what’s this about all these Japanese virgins all of the sudden?

    I find it very hard to believe, myself.

  50. @Jefferson
    "What White grandmother?"

    Grandma Betsy from Kansas is White.

    🙂 Just kidding.

  51. @Abe

    Are you saying White grandmothers from Flyover Country are not easily brainwashed into converting to Islam and pledging allegiance to ISIS?
     
    The funny thing is during the Cold War this was the exact dilemma of American intelligence. Who is a communist agent, or else sympathetic to the communist system, or else so alienated from their own society they are willing to be useful stooges for communists, as they feel their own side is just as bad? From the 50's to the late 80's it could have been that white college student, or that radical Catholic priest/nun, or that black public school teacher. And, yes, it could have even been a white grandmother from Flyover Country, particularly if she were of Quaker or Unitarian background.

    “Who is a communist agent, or else sympathetic to the communist system, or else so alienated from their own society they are willing to be useful stooges for communists, as they feel their own side is just as bad? From the 50′s to the late 80′s it could have been that white college student, or that radical Catholic priest/nun, or that black public school teacher.”

    Well, that’s certainly disingenuous. How many black public school teachers or Catholic nuns turned out to be especially damaging communist stooges? Isn’t there some other group that you are omitting? And whoever could that be?

    • Replies: @Abe

    Well, that’s certainly disingenuous. How many black public school teachers or Catholic nuns turned out to be especially damaging communist stooges? Isn’t there some other group that you are omitting? And whoever could that be?
     
    Yes, (((Hollywood screenwriters))) too. But I distinctly remember Catholic nuns regularly breaking into military sites during the 80's, including ICMB launch areas, to stage "peace protests". And, as Steve pointed out, the nuclear freeze movement of the early 80's was a big deal and would have gotten a lot of help in mainstreaming itself through the greater involvement of (radical) Catholic clergy. Let's put it this way- how would history have turned out if a Third World Liberation Theology leftist like the current Pope had been pontiff during the 80's instead of John Paul II ?
  52. @White Guy In Japan
    Which was the Monty Pythonization of 1984. Great film, by the way.

    “Which was the Monty Pythonization of 1984. Great film, by the way.”

    Not really. It had it’s moments. But the movie, much like that vile trash made by the degenerate Wachowski brothers, V for Vendetta, portrayed an essentially traditional (i.e. Tory) Britain as being inherently fascistic. Well, which political stripe really turned Britain into a police state? Which politician did more to realize that? Thatcher or Blair?

    Terry Gilliam is a pretentious left-wing douchebag.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Gilliam also did much to convince most everyone in the west that the Crusades were a war against Islam rather than an attempt to retake the Holy Lands from the Muslims who were slaughtering Christians, using churches for stables, and other peaceful things. Left wing douche bag indeed.
  53. @Abe

    So, in other words, we know Muslims did it, and you know that Muslims did it, but if we say that Muslims did it we will be making things difficult for Muslims. Yeah, OK.
     
    SP, while it is certainly likely that the bombs were the work of Muslims, I personally would not go out on a limb and lay the blame on them just yet, as the ineffective way in which this was executed does not rule out a crazy individual of just about any background. I guess I'm just used to bonafide Muslim terrorist attacks having pretty high body counts, partly due to their perpetrators' willingness to die in the act. The MO here is very similar to the Boston Marathon bombings, admittedly, but the way in which the attacker prioritized not getting caught, rather than inflicting the most carnage, strikes me as a bit off from your usual jihadist atrocity.

    Abe, you make a good point. But actually I don’t know if this was done by Muslims. Clearly, however, given their circuitous verbiage, the Times does think it was done by Muslims. If it was done by White Nationalists, they wouldn’t hedge their words.

    • Agree: Abe
  54. @The Last Real Calvinist

    Tom Hanks replies to Somali actor who kidnaps him, “Kill me now, before I have to go on the publicity tour promoting my upcoming Dan Brown movie.”

     

    Good one. But, you know, Tom could quit doing those movies if he wanted to. He can't be too hard up at this point. Or are the Illuminati coercing him?

    I think popcorn movies are the price people like Tom Hanks pay to get whatever vanity projects they have in the hopper financed by OPM.

  55. @anon
    Welp. There it is. The official acknowledgement that frequent, low-level terror attacks are the new normal.

    Glad I got to see the day where we turned that particular corner.

    Welp. There it is. The official acknowledgement that frequent, low-level terror attacks are the new normal.

    Why not? The Cathedral just keeps moving the goal posts back without ever having the decency to acknowledge it. It went from “immigration is nothing to worry about, they’ll assimilate like all the people who passed through Ellis Island before them” to “OK, they won’t assimilate, we’re a multicultural country now (and if you think about it, have always been one), but we’ll still have our same democratic freedoms” to “OK, we’ll have to have a discussion on what it means to be democratic now (and discuss bringing that pesky 1st Amendment up-to-date), but- hey- at least the government keeps us safe!” to “OK, this country is starting to look like Pakistan, but- hey- at least it’s not Lebanon in the 70’s!”

  56. @Abe

    Are you saying White grandmothers from Flyover Country are not easily brainwashed into converting to Islam and pledging allegiance to ISIS?
     
    The funny thing is during the Cold War this was the exact dilemma of American intelligence. Who is a communist agent, or else sympathetic to the communist system, or else so alienated from their own society they are willing to be useful stooges for communists, as they feel their own side is just as bad? From the 50's to the late 80's it could have been that white college student, or that radical Catholic priest/nun, or that black public school teacher. And, yes, it could have even been a white grandmother from Flyover Country, particularly if she were of Quaker or Unitarian background.

    “The funny thing is during the Cold War this was the exact dilemma of American intelligence. Who is a communist agent, or else sympathetic to the communist system, or else so alienated from their own society they are willing to be useful stooges for communists, as they feel their own side is just as bad? From the 50′s to the late 80′s it could have been that white college student, or that radical Catholic priest/nun, or that black public school teacher. And, yes, it could have even been a white grandmother from Flyover Country, particularly if she were of Quaker or Unitarian background.”

    We haven’t had any Allahu Akbar Jihadists who look like Estelle Getty, Rue McClanahan, Bea Arthur, and Betty White.

  57. @Mr. Anon
    "Who is a communist agent, or else sympathetic to the communist system, or else so alienated from their own society they are willing to be useful stooges for communists, as they feel their own side is just as bad? From the 50′s to the late 80′s it could have been that white college student, or that radical Catholic priest/nun, or that black public school teacher."

    Well, that's certainly disingenuous. How many black public school teachers or Catholic nuns turned out to be especially damaging communist stooges? Isn't there some other group that you are omitting? And whoever could that be?

    Well, that’s certainly disingenuous. How many black public school teachers or Catholic nuns turned out to be especially damaging communist stooges? Isn’t there some other group that you are omitting? And whoever could that be?

    Yes, (((Hollywood screenwriters))) too. But I distinctly remember Catholic nuns regularly breaking into military sites during the 80’s, including ICMB launch areas, to stage “peace protests”. And, as Steve pointed out, the nuclear freeze movement of the early 80’s was a big deal and would have gotten a lot of help in mainstreaming itself through the greater involvement of (radical) Catholic clergy. Let’s put it this way- how would history have turned out if a Third World Liberation Theology leftist like the current Pope had been pontiff during the 80’s instead of John Paul II ?

    • Replies: @Forbes
    The funny thing about hypotheticals is that they are hypothetical. Alternative history may be interesting or curious, but "what ifs" about '80s nuclear protests or an alternative pontiff are a distraction from disrupting/defeating bomb-building Islamists.

    Similarity to the threat of "mainstreaming" an idea is the acceptability of open borders through the subordination of existing immigration law and enforcement.
  58. BTW, no mention of the fact that Obama has targeted, or I think actually already met the target, of admitting 100,000 “Syrian” “refugees” into the U.S., and that he and Kerry openly admit they are just getting warmed up? Wouldn’t, say, 500,000 Syrians admitted to the U.S. now and in the first term of a Hillary Presidency be enough to do real demographic damage even to a country as large as the US? Aren’t there less Somalis than that here?

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    Yes. This needs to be broadcasted vigorously, by anyone, in this election. I have looked into the possible states/communities where these 100,000-500,000 people will be re-located. It is staggering that no credible national newspaper writes about this. The reality is: no major metropolitan areas (real estate too expensive) will be affected ; all will go to mostly all suburban communities (the "good" school systems and all) and some rural larger towns will be affected, or infected, by thousands of LEP (Limited English Proficiency) migrants with limited skills/probably no education.

    Trump needs to scare the USA with this reality that will come if Hillary is elected. The push for 100,000 is happening right now (500K+ to come next year) ...and they are all going to be dumped on the suburbs and exhurbs literally, snuck in as they have been in Idaho, Montana, Nebraska, list too long. Dumb-ass churches are being lured by SJW orgs in NYC/DC/Boston/west coast cities to "sponsor" these migrants. I mean, they sent 170 Congolese to Missoula, MT? What the heck are they gonna be able to do there? There is no work in a small, college town. Montana's own poor people already work the jobs that no American wants :)! And, the western states have a yuge homeless population. And, tons of rural poor. Jobs are really scarce. And, the fracking and mining has taken a hit in the west.

    What is really absurd about this is Merkel is now in deep d0-do (and the EU) because of her open door policy to thugs. Brexit was the first calving of the iceberg, indeed. All I can think of: Obama and Kerry just want to "stick it" to the American people. O & K, H, will live on in wealth, in a fortress of privilege, as rural and suburban Americans further decline. But, that's their diabolical plan.
  59. White terrorist: “Something must be done!”

    Brown terrorist: “Doing something would be the real tragedy.”

  60. Once enough Somalis arrive, you will count your blessings to still have the top of your head intact.

  61. @JohnnyD
    Something tells me the NYT would love a police state--if it was used to clamp down on people who question the wisdom of importing Somalis.

    Something like Tom Friedman saying that he wished we could be the People’s Republic of China for one day? Something like that?

  62. @snorlax
    Let's see, there's Iman, who married David Bowie and is pretty. And Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who's quite an admirable individual. And, uh...

    Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who’s quite an admirable individual

    She’s also a homewrecker.

    • Replies: @Perplexed
    Ferguson's wife was pregnant when he left her.
    , @Brutusale
    Seems to me that her home was in order. Was her Allah-approved yoni such an attraction that the jungle-fevered Niall couldn't help but run out on his wife and 3 kids posthaste?
  63. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @wren
    In December Scott Adams was saying that Trump gambled there would be terrorism between then and the election and committed to a ban on Muslims.

    People called him out on it, but when the bombs start going off those same people want a strong dad who makes the tough decisions to keep them safe. Not a mom who makes them sandwiches.

    The msm will be working very hard to let people know that there are no bombs going off, nor Muslim slashers in suburban shopping malls.

    http://blog.dilbert.com/post/134791529391/risk-management-trump-persuasion-series

    People called him out on it, but when the bombs start going off those same people want a strong dad who makes the tough decisions to keep them safe. Not a mom who makes them sandwiches.

    Anti-Trumper Rod Dreher
    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/pope-surrender-means-security/

    The more things like this happen, the more sense Trump’s idea to halt Muslim immigration for the time being makes.

    • Replies: @Nico
    Who told Rod Dreher he could talk?
    , @Anonymous
    Rod Dreher is one of those milquetoasts that likely will vote for Trump but will publicly spend millions of words between now and then explaining why he can't.
    , @Daniel Williams

    The more things like this happen, the more sense Trump’s idea to halt Muslim immigration for the time being makes.
     
    BREAKING NEWS (for Dreher): The more I eat, the fatter I get.
  64. And avoid the wrong responses: A police-state overreaction would be equally damaging

    Exactly. Just like Andrew Cuomo’s gun ban, a police-state overreaction to the Connecticut shooting that destroyed what little was left of the Second, Fourth and Fifth Amendments in New York State.

  65. @Shine a Light
    This New York Times editorial is a sort of prequel to the media blackout described in Michel Houellebecq's "Submission" where large and blatant battles between Islamists and French patriots were ignored in the media. Critics of the book laughed at the improbability of such a situation arising but we see in this article the elite media desire to play down any signs of Islamic Supremacy imposing itself on the West.

    What's interesting is that several Jewish media figures (Nate Silver, Josh Marshall) immediately realized it was Islamic--as opposed to Right Wing--terror because they quickly started playing defense and downplaying the event. Had a young white man, hopped up on too many Pepe memes, committed anything like this, the resulting hysteria would have been endless.

    Had a young white man, hopped up on too many Pepe memes, committed anything like this, the resulting hysteria would have been endless.

    I’ve never heard so many lefties and liberals refer to a church as “mother” (Mother Emanuel)–an expression with deep theological meaning–as when a young white psycho shoots up a black church’s congregation.

  66. I’ve noticed New Yorkers mocking flyover states people who reacted strongly to the bombing. Pretending not to care about terrorism is the new form of status signalling.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    shhhh. Mocking people is what is winning this election! Also, I am superstitious, and would never berate strangers after a bombing in my neighborhood. The arrogance of so called "progressives" is staggering. It's almost like they don't think 9/11 "was massive," and was way, way over-exaggerated. This jerk probably thinks the First Responders who are struggling /dying with cancer in large numbers, just have bad luck, as he lives on in his calm Chelsea neighborhood, not too far from WTC. Go drink another Latte, and ignore the dumpsters and garbage cans!
  67. @Anonymous

    People called him out on it, but when the bombs start going off those same people want a strong dad who makes the tough decisions to keep them safe. Not a mom who makes them sandwiches.
     
    Anti-Trumper Rod Dreher
    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/pope-surrender-means-security/

    The more things like this happen, the more sense Trump’s idea to halt Muslim immigration for the time being makes.
     

    Who told Rod Dreher he could talk?

    • Replies: @Percy Gryce
    Who can stop him?
  68. “…address the challenge with sanity and good judgment”

    Exactly, which is why I support Donald Trump.

  69. @Anonymous

    People called him out on it, but when the bombs start going off those same people want a strong dad who makes the tough decisions to keep them safe. Not a mom who makes them sandwiches.
     
    Anti-Trumper Rod Dreher
    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/pope-surrender-means-security/

    The more things like this happen, the more sense Trump’s idea to halt Muslim immigration for the time being makes.
     

    Rod Dreher is one of those milquetoasts that likely will vote for Trump but will publicly spend millions of words between now and then explaining why he can’t.

  70. The bombing scene in Brazil also seems relevant here:

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    It could be Brasil, or it could be Dancing with the Stars.
  71. @anon
    Welp. There it is. The official acknowledgement that frequent, low-level terror attacks are the new normal.

    Glad I got to see the day where we turned that particular corner.

    I agree. I had been wondering about that myself. A sad, sad day.

    • Replies: @Connecticut Famer
    I guess this is the price we pay for "diversity".
  72. Live commenting from Japanese apartment:

    Jap TV news, showing photo of bearded scumbag: “New Jersey police are searching for Khan Rahami, 28, in connection with the bombing of Manhattan…”

    girlfriend: “Do you know him?”

    me, sarcastically: “Yeah! We went to highschool together!”

    girlfriend, seriously: “No!! He is 28…”

    LOL. A moment of levity as our society disintegrates…

  73. @snorlax
    Let's see, there's Iman, who married David Bowie and is pretty. And Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who's quite an admirable individual. And, uh...

    @Snorlax
    It hasn’t dawn on people that we can keep Ayaan Hirsi Ali without importing every Somali.

  74. @Severian
    The bombing scene in Brazil also seems relevant here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4KFNhxibec

    It could be Brasil, or it could be Dancing with the Stars.

  75. Of course blame the messengers, who only point out the obvious, as you ride in a chauffeured livery and avoid public transportation. These people on the NYT editorial board are below contempt.

  76. I hope”bombophobe” becomes popular like “basket of deplorables.” Imagine Trump saying, “I’m not an Islamophobe, I’m a bombophobe!” The NYT Editorial Board wouldn’t know what to do.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    ha,ha,ha. This is a 'phobe' We, The People, can all get behind! Brilliant. What is the word for "fear of knives/sharp instruments?"
  77. We need to bring back the good old fashioned tar and feathering and start with the NYT writer.

  78. A police-state overreaction would be equally damaging in its own way

    Wow. An admission that we live in a police state.

  79. @Hugh
    In the WWII Biltz on Britain, people were proud to "carry on regardless", opening shops for business even if all its windows had been blown out. This made sense in the context of the whole country already being committed to an all-out war against the Germans.

    In boxing terms this would be like taking a punch and getting back into your fighting stance as soon as you can.

    In the 21st century This "carry on regardless" meme has been perverted to suggest that we should just do nothing in with a government that is half-hearted at best in tackling the enemy.

    The boxing parallel would be one boxer walking around the ring looking at his iPhone whilst his opponent thumps him mercilessly.

    In the 21st century This “carry on regardless” meme has been perverted to suggest that we should just do nothing in with a government that is half-hearted at best in tackling the enemy.

    In league with the enemy, really.

  80. @Abe

    Are you saying White grandmothers from Flyover Country are not easily brainwashed into converting to Islam and pledging allegiance to ISIS?
     
    The funny thing is during the Cold War this was the exact dilemma of American intelligence. Who is a communist agent, or else sympathetic to the communist system, or else so alienated from their own society they are willing to be useful stooges for communists, as they feel their own side is just as bad? From the 50's to the late 80's it could have been that white college student, or that radical Catholic priest/nun, or that black public school teacher. And, yes, it could have even been a white grandmother from Flyover Country, particularly if she were of Quaker or Unitarian background.

    “When the radical priest,
    Comes to get us released
    We’ll all be on the cover of Newsweek”

  81. @anon
    but the way in which the attacker prioritized not getting caught, rather than inflicting the most carnage,

    What if he was prioritizing not getting caught so he could plant more bombs, to inflict more carnage?

    That guy in Germany, who couldn't get into the music festival, so he just blew himself up the next place he went, instead of finding a better place, didn't seem to be all that dedicated to causing as much carnage as he could.

    The stabbers in Minnesota and Europe could have probably found a way to kill more people than with a knife if they'd just tried a little harder too.

    My general assumption when it comes to Islamic terrorists is that they're not exactly rocket scientists.

    They’re IED scientists.

  82. @Cwhatfuture

    They want to make you afraid.
     
    No. If they wanted that they would buy you a Stephen King novel.

    They want to kill you. The purpose of trying to kill you, is to kill you.

    The funny thing about the NYT taking the brave, stiff upper lip stance is that when the threat has even the slightest possibility of landing at its doorstep – for example, when a newsworthy cartoon of Mohammed is the jumping-off point for worldwide Muslim street riots – the decision-makers cower in their offices and fabricate reasons why the cartoon mustn’t be republished in the pages of the NYT and why those who would pen other cartoons of Mohammed in the United States of America are responsible for Islamic attacks which they tacitly concede are inevitable. Because of cartoons. Don’t be afraid, dumb Americans, but if you do draw a cartoon you’re responsible for man-made disasters of indeterminate origin that would befall us all for some unstated reasons.

  83. @Percy Gryce

    Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who’s quite an admirable individual
     
    She's also a homewrecker.

    Ferguson’s wife was pregnant when he left her.

  84. @Chrisnonymous
    I agree. I had been wondering about that myself. A sad, sad day.

    I guess this is the price we pay for “diversity”.

  85. @Steve Sailer
    Tom Hanks replies to Somali actor who kidnaps him, "Kill me now, before I have to go on the publicity tour promoting my upcoming Dan Brown movie."

    Opie needs Andy to talk some sense into him.

  86. @Abe

    So, in other words, we know Muslims did it, and you know that Muslims did it, but if we say that Muslims did it we will be making things difficult for Muslims. Yeah, OK.
     
    SP, while it is certainly likely that the bombs were the work of Muslims, I personally would not go out on a limb and lay the blame on them just yet, as the ineffective way in which this was executed does not rule out a crazy individual of just about any background. I guess I'm just used to bonafide Muslim terrorist attacks having pretty high body counts, partly due to their perpetrators' willingness to die in the act. The MO here is very similar to the Boston Marathon bombings, admittedly, but the way in which the attacker prioritized not getting caught, rather than inflicting the most carnage, strikes me as a bit off from your usual jihadist atrocity.

    By Monday, we know it is all Muslims. Knives, meatcleavers, bombs, machine guns, boxcutters, swords, acid throwing/burning people alive, trucks (so weird), IEDs, whatever. Keep these people and their progeny out. It has brought nothing but misery to Europe…and there has been absolutely no benefit for society, culture, science, commerce. Muslims refuse to integrate, and are a net drain on the host society in each European country…yet they demand social services and benefits. Maybe about 10% of the migrants (not talking about the people already in Europe for 2-3 generations) are decent folks, family people, but 90% are single, unmarried teens/young men -that’s what I see lurching around in packs in the cities in Europe.

    Every country needs to be highly selective as to what kind of people it admits to its country. Why this is lost on American Democrats and EU losers, is just baffling. At what point, will all the so-called rational people realize that it endangers them and their children, not to mention the society they have always believed in? – the Chelsea location was particularly interesting to me.

    It is impossible to wage a campaign against a messianic ideology that believes it is supreme: an ideology that is poised to wait a millennia, hitting soft targets. This is not an ideology that cares about the NYT, a paper so full of supercilious, oleaginous opinions…consistently giving wussy-assed excuses of terrorism committed by Muslims these last 2 years.

    Jihadis don’t care about humanism/enlightenment. The only choice is to bar people from the borders of each country. And, can the NYT and other national sell-outs-of-the-American-people, stop with the “we need more immigrants!” – it’s b.s. and they know it: Immigration is hurting the future of generations of poor people in our country for a century or more – there’s only so much money to go around since all economies are weak world-wide. No Western country can afford more immigrants. Interesting how all talk about the Qatar soccer stadiums has stopped, right? :).

    And, my thought as to why these were not suicide bombers like in Europe: these are American-style Jihadis. They wanna go back to their flats above chicken shacks; watch TV and smoke pot, and…keep collecting welfare/state subsidies…so they can eventually get to California and hang-out in Venice. Remember; that heinous San Bernadino ugly couple, didn’t want to die either…but they got the Die Hard treatment in the end, didn’t they? I think if anything, the police and people will get more militarized. This is the dirty secret of wealthy “progressives,” the “I’ll fight for gun control, but I’m gonna get a 2nd weapon for my house in the Hamptons…oh, and a couple of $10,000 a piece (kid you not) attack dogs. All for the kids, btw…but don’t tell my neighbors or friends.”

    • Agree: Nico
  87. @JohnnyD
    I hope"bombophobe" becomes popular like "basket of deplorables." Imagine Trump saying, "I'm not an Islamophobe, I'm a bombophobe!" The NYT Editorial Board wouldn't know what to do.

    ha,ha,ha. This is a ‘phobe’ We, The People, can all get behind! Brilliant. What is the word for “fear of knives/sharp instruments?”

  88. @Bettega
    I've noticed New Yorkers mocking flyover states people who reacted strongly to the bombing. Pretending not to care about terrorism is the new form of status signalling.

    https://twitter.com/MichaelWinship/status/777331965519339520

    shhhh. Mocking people is what is winning this election! Also, I am superstitious, and would never berate strangers after a bombing in my neighborhood. The arrogance of so called “progressives” is staggering. It’s almost like they don’t think 9/11 “was massive,” and was way, way over-exaggerated. This jerk probably thinks the First Responders who are struggling /dying with cancer in large numbers, just have bad luck, as he lives on in his calm Chelsea neighborhood, not too far from WTC. Go drink another Latte, and ignore the dumpsters and garbage cans!

  89. @Abe
    BTW, no mention of the fact that Obama has targeted, or I think actually already met the target, of admitting 100,000 "Syrian" "refugees" into the U.S., and that he and Kerry openly admit they are just getting warmed up? Wouldn't, say, 500,000 Syrians admitted to the U.S. now and in the first term of a Hillary Presidency be enough to do real demographic damage even to a country as large as the US? Aren't there less Somalis than that here?

    Yes. This needs to be broadcasted vigorously, by anyone, in this election. I have looked into the possible states/communities where these 100,000-500,000 people will be re-located. It is staggering that no credible national newspaper writes about this. The reality is: no major metropolitan areas (real estate too expensive) will be affected ; all will go to mostly all suburban communities (the “good” school systems and all) and some rural larger towns will be affected, or infected, by thousands of LEP (Limited English Proficiency) migrants with limited skills/probably no education.

    Trump needs to scare the USA with this reality that will come if Hillary is elected. The push for 100,000 is happening right now (500K+ to come next year) …and they are all going to be dumped on the suburbs and exhurbs literally, snuck in as they have been in Idaho, Montana, Nebraska, list too long. Dumb-ass churches are being lured by SJW orgs in NYC/DC/Boston/west coast cities to “sponsor” these migrants. I mean, they sent 170 Congolese to Missoula, MT? What the heck are they gonna be able to do there? There is no work in a small, college town. Montana’s own poor people already work the jobs that no American wants :)! And, the western states have a yuge homeless population. And, tons of rural poor. Jobs are really scarce. And, the fracking and mining has taken a hit in the west.

    What is really absurd about this is Merkel is now in deep d0-do (and the EU) because of her open door policy to thugs. Brexit was the first calving of the iceberg, indeed. All I can think of: Obama and Kerry just want to “stick it” to the American people. O & K, H, will live on in wealth, in a fortress of privilege, as rural and suburban Americans further decline. But, that’s their diabolical plan.

    • Agree: Abe
  90. @Dave Pinsen
    https://twitter.com/jamestaranto/status/777716548928729088

    In other words, the radicalization, isolation, and hatred responsible for this sudden violence has been caused by the poor judgment demonstrated by insane elected leaders who are intolerant and suspicious.

  91. @Mr. Anon
    "Which was the Monty Pythonization of 1984. Great film, by the way."

    Not really. It had it's moments. But the movie, much like that vile trash made by the degenerate Wachowski brothers, V for Vendetta, portrayed an essentially traditional (i.e. Tory) Britain as being inherently fascistic. Well, which political stripe really turned Britain into a police state? Which politician did more to realize that? Thatcher or Blair?

    Terry Gilliam is a pretentious left-wing douchebag.

    Gilliam also did much to convince most everyone in the west that the Crusades were a war against Islam rather than an attempt to retake the Holy Lands from the Muslims who were slaughtering Christians, using churches for stables, and other peaceful things. Left wing douche bag indeed.

    • Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax
    I think that was Terry Jones, though I can't swear Gilliam didn't play a hand.
  92. @Anonymous

    People called him out on it, but when the bombs start going off those same people want a strong dad who makes the tough decisions to keep them safe. Not a mom who makes them sandwiches.
     
    Anti-Trumper Rod Dreher
    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/pope-surrender-means-security/

    The more things like this happen, the more sense Trump’s idea to halt Muslim immigration for the time being makes.
     

    The more things like this happen, the more sense Trump’s idea to halt Muslim immigration for the time being makes.

    BREAKING NEWS (for Dreher): The more I eat, the fatter I get.

  93. @e
    What can we do to actually destroy, peacefully, of course, the NYTimes, once and for all?

    What would that accomplish? Isn’t the NY Times merely one tentacle of a beast with many tentacles, each of which will grow right back if severed?

  94. The right response to this constant, unending, low-level threat of sudden violence is to stay vigilant and reasonable, to clean up the damage, care for the injured, look out for one another, and elect leaders who will address the challenge with sanity and good judgment.

    In other words a steady dribble of minor terrorist attacks is the New Normal for American society and we need to get used to it. Not even the gloomiest immigration skeptics of the 1990s envisioned this scenario.

    If a doctor advised you that the right way to treat your cancer was to treat the symptoms, but that it would be wrong to attack the cancer itself, you would rightly conclude that he wasn’t much of a doctor, and certainly didn’t give a damn about your health. But, somehow, we’re not supposed to make this conclusion about “our” news media with regard to their patriotism.

    This New York Times editorial is a sort of prequel to the media blackout described in Michel Houellebecq’s “Submission” where large and blatant battles between Islamists and French patriots were ignored in the media. Critics of the book laughed at the improbability of such a situation arising but we see in this article the elite media desire to play down any signs of Islamic Supremacy imposing itself on the West.

    I haven’t read the novel, but, depending on how “large” plays out, the critics were probably right to laugh. Given a serious conflict, a fighter or two would be diverted to make the fighting very, very real to the media. It would be very easy to make them do their jobs, once people really start dying. Harold Covington’s novels describe the process well.

    I’ve noticed New Yorkers mocking flyover states people who reacted strongly to the bombing. Pretending not to care about terrorism is the new form of status signalling.

    That works well for me. I’ve never been fond of the idea that 9/11 was an attack on America, so much as it was an attack on NYC. Same goes for other terrorist attacks on NYC.

  95. @Abe

    Well, that’s certainly disingenuous. How many black public school teachers or Catholic nuns turned out to be especially damaging communist stooges? Isn’t there some other group that you are omitting? And whoever could that be?
     
    Yes, (((Hollywood screenwriters))) too. But I distinctly remember Catholic nuns regularly breaking into military sites during the 80's, including ICMB launch areas, to stage "peace protests". And, as Steve pointed out, the nuclear freeze movement of the early 80's was a big deal and would have gotten a lot of help in mainstreaming itself through the greater involvement of (radical) Catholic clergy. Let's put it this way- how would history have turned out if a Third World Liberation Theology leftist like the current Pope had been pontiff during the 80's instead of John Paul II ?

    The funny thing about hypotheticals is that they are hypothetical. Alternative history may be interesting or curious, but “what ifs” about ’80s nuclear protests or an alternative pontiff are a distraction from disrupting/defeating bomb-building Islamists.

    Similarity to the threat of “mainstreaming” an idea is the acceptability of open borders through the subordination of existing immigration law and enforcement.

  96. From the NYT op/ed:

    no evidence linking the bombing to international terrorism

    Yeah, and the first I’d heard of the Chelsea bombing was a NYT article yesterday that had the above statement in it’s headline. After this morning’s revelations, I went looking for that headline, but it was not to be found (with a simple google search, anyway.)

    The print form media complains about the internet, but it’s actually one of the best things to happen to the MSM. They can now go back and make erroneous headlines disappear (or, at the very least, become far less prominent so that they might as well disappear.)

  97. @JohnnyD
    Something tells me the NYT would love a police state--if it was used to clamp down on people who question the wisdom of importing Somalis.

    Or of any of the other sacred doctrines of the prevailing orthodoxy. For a glimpse of where we are heading, just at look at Britain and Canada.

  98. @Nico
    Who told Rod Dreher he could talk?

    Who can stop him?

  99. @Jim Don Bob
    Gilliam also did much to convince most everyone in the west that the Crusades were a war against Islam rather than an attempt to retake the Holy Lands from the Muslims who were slaughtering Christians, using churches for stables, and other peaceful things. Left wing douche bag indeed.

    I think that was Terry Jones, though I can’t swear Gilliam didn’t play a hand.

  100. @PiltdownMan
    This would have been a good editorial-with some edits-to have written in September 2001, with a suitable identification of the threat, Saudi sponsored radicalization. That we should go about our business, chin-up, like the Brits during the Blitz with a single concession by our way of life-profiling.

    Instead we got the death-by-a-thousand-cuts national security state wherein Grandma Betsy from Kansas gets body scanned every time she gets on a flight and the NSA (presumably) tracks our posting on iSteve.

    In tandem with Hermann’s Homewreckers’ nightly raves, the Brits also had serious mass internment (a Brit speciality, since at least Boer War times).
    Even Germanicalist Jews got stuck on the dismal Isle of Man, thus avoiding the embarrassingly bad publicity of actual wire and machine-gun towers round the camps. Got some good archaeology out of it, due to bored professors etc. being holed up there with only the three-legged tail-less indigenes to talk to.
    Winston simply barked the gin-fuelled order “Collar the lot!”, and lo! it came to pass.

  101. @Travis
    law enforcement discovered three pipe bombs and two smaller devices at a train station in Elizabeth, New Jersey, near to Newark Liberty International Airport Sunday...

    Five people have been taken into custody in connection with the New York City bombing after the FBI discovered a bomb cache in New Jersey and stopped a car near New York City's Verrazano Bridge on Sunday night. The FBI is believed to have called the NYPD for backup at around 8.45pm after making the decision to halt a car on the busy Belt Parkway and found the occupants were heavily armed.

    All Amtrak trains are currently at a halt that are in the area. Trains are currently being held at Penn Station, the site where a Muslim earlier this past week took a meat cleaver and attacked police officers. One the guy was identified as a Muslim, the media dropped that story...

    you were the first one to report on the news! Even if there are new details, you got it before the MSM.

  102. @Percy Gryce

    Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who’s quite an admirable individual
     
    She's also a homewrecker.

    Seems to me that her home was in order. Was her Allah-approved yoni such an attraction that the jungle-fevered Niall couldn’t help but run out on his wife and 3 kids posthaste?

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