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From the New York Times this weekend:

The Making of a Youtube Radical

By Kevin Roose, June 8, 2019

Caleb Cain was a college dropout looking for direction. He turned to YouTube.

Soon, he was pulled into a far-right universe, watching thousands of videos filled with conspiracy theories, misogyny and racism.

“I was brainwashed.”

… Mr. Cain, 26, recently swore off the alt-right nearly five years after discovering it, and has become a vocal critic of the movement. He is scarred by his experience of being radicalized by what he calls a “decentralized cult” of far-right YouTube personalities, who convinced him that Western civilization was under threat from Muslim immigrants and cultural Marxists, that innate I.Q. differences explained racial disparities, and that feminism was a dangerous ideology.

Also from the New York Times this weekend:

Looking for Free Speech in Russia? Try YouTube

Stars of Russian YouTube include, clockwise from top left, Nadya Tolokonnikova, a member of Pussy Riot; Danila Poperechny, a stand-up comic; Nika Vodwood, a YouTube star; and Leonid G. Parfenov, who was kicked off state TV in 2004.

By Neil MacFarquhar
June 9, 2019

MOSCOW — Mainstream television in Russia, stage-managed by the Kremlin, barely mentions Pussy Riot, the anti-Putin punk band, or Aleksei A. Navalny, the country’s most prominent opposition figure. Forget about hearing much feminist talk, or humor at the expense of the government or Russia itself.

“The entire social, political part of television is controlled by the authorities,” said Leonid G. Parfenov, an independent news anchor who has been shut out of state TV since 2004 for being too critical of the government. “For that reason, you cannot consider this television journalism — it is just propaganda, they are just employees of the presidential administration.”

Yet voices that the government would mute are heard regularly by tens of millions of Russians in another format: YouTube.

For more freewheeling opinions and commentary — particularly from those critical of President Vladimir V. Putin — YouTube has become the leading way to reach Russian audiences. In particular, it is challenging — if not supplanting — state TV as a source of information for the young.

As Stalin summarized the essential message of Lenin, there are no abstract principles of fair play, just the question of: Who? Whom?

“We live according to Lenin’s formula: “Kto–Kovo?” [Who-Whom?] will we knock them … flat, or will they knock us flat?”

It would be interesting to see calculate who pays more lip service these days to old fashioned Anglo conceptions of objectivity and principles: Putin or the New York Times?

 
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  1. Pussy Riot: the quintessential sober political criticism Russia desperately needs to escape from the clutches of evil tyrant Putin!

    “Western civilization was under threat from Muslim immigrants and cultural Marxists, that innate I.Q. differences explained racial disparities, and that feminism was a dangerous ideology.”

    Seems spot on to me! This reads like a parody.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    Have you guys ever wondered if one could ever become un-redpilled?

    I mean, once you've read about and understood the proofs for race realism and IQ differences etc., is it possible to just go back to believing normie things? How does that work?

    I'd think that some of these "former alt-right" guys are consciously lying (i.e. they want to get their jobs/social lives/etc. back), while the rest might never have fully understood the thing at all. I don't know what the proportions are, but I'd guess the majority is in the consciously lying category.
  2. Anonymous[378] • Disclaimer says:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-48462190

    A network of tens of thousands of online volunteers is fighting hate speech on Facebook.

    … every day Nina opens up Facebook and heads straight to the closed group #IchBinHier (“#IAmHere”).

    … They don’t attempt to change the minds of people posting hate or argue directly with extremists. Instead they collectively inject discussions with facts and straightforwardly argued reasonable viewpoints. The idea is to provide balance so that other social media users see that there are alternative perspectives beyond the ones offered up by the trolls.

    There are alternative perspectives to the ones being suppressed? Did you know that?

    … Facebook has provided #IAmHere groups with free advertising credits and helps them organise meet-ups as part of its Online Civil Courage Initiative.

    … Nina, 39, says she spends around three hours a day moderating comments on top of her full-time job as director of an NGO. But she has very personal reasons for devoting a large chunk of her busy schedule to the campaign.

    Her husband is from Uganda

    • Replies: @anon
    … They don’t attempt to change the minds of people posting hate or argue directly with extremists. Instead they collectively inject discussions with facts and straightforwardly argued reasonable viewpoints. The idea is to provide balance so that other social media users see that there are alternative perspectives

    Why don't nationalists or other dissidents of a feather organize and do this? There's still a lot of free exposure to be had on Twitter, other social media, and in comment sections.

    What if Richard Spencer had dedicated himself to organizing a sort of anti-defamation group like this, instead of engaging in the sort of antics he has engaged in?
    , @bomag

    Her husband is from Uganda
     
    LOL. I thought maybe he was launching anti-gay slurs all day long, so she was doing something about that.

    No, she's part of #GermanyTooWhite. I'm waiting for the day someone launches #UgandaTooBlack.
    , @Almost Missouri
    #IchBinHier (“#IAmHere”) = Volunteer Auxiliary Thought Police

    I guess Merkel-esque Frau Nina can't resist playing into the stereotype of needing to silence dissent against the police state.

    From the BBC article:

    Nina's alarm clock is going off. Before getting up and making breakfast for her 13-month-old daughter ...
    Nina with her Ugandan husband, who moved to Berlin in 2017
     
    Thirteen months + nine months = 22 months, subtract from 2019 = 2017. It seems Herr Nina's-Ugandan-Husband didn't waste any time establishing himself an anchor baby in this marginal womb of the German welfare state. Yes, that's the kind of entrepreneurial spirit that Angela Merkel rightly recognized her country of parlous finances and even more parlous demographics really really needed.
    , @El Dato

    A network of tens of thousands of online volunteers is fighting hate speech on Facebook.
     
    Nice. I'm sure there is a meme based on "Welcome to the N.H.K." about this.

    … Facebook has provided #IAmHere groups with free advertising credits
     
    Year's Revenue: 55.8x10⁹ USD

    "Found a quarter down the sofa and thanks for your free time!"
    , @AnotherDad

    … Nina, 39, says she spends around three hours a day moderating comments on top of her full-time job as director of an NGO. But she has very personal reasons for devoting a large chunk of her busy schedule to the campaign.

    Her husband is from Uganda
     
    Whiskey is owning this thread--without even posting. White men will not save their nations unless the are willing to read the riot act to white women.

    Nina has defected. She is now the property of some Ugandan tribe and she and her "husband" need to be expelled from Germany and sent there. Until white men are willing to be clear and hard about this, there is no salvation.

    ~~

    And again the simple winning idea--separation.

    If Nina wants to worship her Ugandan penis in a rainbow hued globotopia ... great. Let them set one up with like minded loons.

    But these virtue signalling globo-loons have no right to make the rest of live that way--to wreck our nations.

    Keep pushing this point. These people are totalitarian nation-wrecking thugs plain and simple.
  3. Except if you read the article carefully, it is clear he was never actually a member of ‘the alt-right’. He was always a leftist who just used to watch alt-light youtube videos and who fancied Lauren Southern.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Except if you read the article carefully, it is clear he was never actually a member of ‘the alt-right’.
     
    No one has ever been a "member" of "the alt-right."
    , @Alan Mercer
    I read the article. It looked plausible to me that he did genuinely consider himself to be a "member of the alt-right." Importantly, a cluster of ideas cannot be impugned on the basis of the credibility of one of its adherents.

    The sleight of hand in the NYT article is this: they're not sympathetic to Cain. He's precisely the sort of pasty wuss that Whiskey is always railing about white women hating so (and not without reason!). So the subtext is: look at this pathetic white guy, who reminds us why we had to seize power from pathetic white guys. He pretty much represents the alt-right type, which discredits alt-right ideas.

    Conspiracy theories (e.g. 9-11) routinely suffer from being supported by people with ludicrous arguments.

    As for "Ms" Wynn, NYT charitably describes "her" as a "former academic." I can't imagine the same language being used to describe a right-wing PhD dropout.

    And back to Cain, he has my pity. He probably realized he had a better shot at "Ms" Wynn than Ms Southern.
    , @Anon
    Horniness for Lauren Southern seems to be a major factor in pushing men to accept the Alt Right.
  4. Anonymous[413] • Disclaimer says:

    How hard would it be to create a rival platform to YouTube? YouTube itself basically started from scratch didn’t it, before being bought out by Google?

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    Part of YouTube's initial popularity was its blatant ignoring of copyright laws. Furthermore Google has a history of throwing as much money as necessary to buy out any competitors.

    Also, anyone who doesn't tow the Globohomo line is going to find themselves locked out of the banking apparatus for vaguely defined "hate speech" metrics.
    , @Michael S
    Depends. Do you have billions of dollars to throw away every year on a massive yet unprofitable business? If so, then pretty easy
    , @tsotha
    The problem is you can't just copy youtube. You need a payment processor, and financial institutions fold like a cheap suit when the SJWs get on them. So either you don't allow "far right" material on your youtube clone, giving nobody a reason to use your site, or you have to use a porn payment processor, meaning the playing field is tilted toward youtube before you even get started.

    Beyond that, youtube is owned by Google, so they're always going to get preferential treatment in search and they'll benefit from the Goog's endless hoard of cash.

    So it would be hard. Damn hard. Which is why the few attempts so far have failed.
    , @OilcanFloyd
    You don't have to start a new YouTube, sonce the Russians have already done that. Go to VK.com. I can't see any obvious censorship at VK, so much of what gets censored in the U.S. and Europe flies through there.
    , @L Woods
    Network effect means the “build your own platform” boilerplate will never work.
    , @Brutus
    You tube was established as and is entertainment! Like Rush, Carson, Hanidy, Carvill, .....

    Why is the world fixated on social media where every tom, dick and harry can and will post what generally amounts to repackaged junk or nothing.
    Valuable diamonds of content are lost in the tailings.

    Go to established web sites with verifiable factual content.

    If you have something to say write a well researched article on the subject and it will bet posted by said sites.

    Look at all the chaff among a few kernels of wheat in the comments on this article.

    Go ahead and call me chaff :)

    Brutus
    , @SimpleSong
    Bitchute.

    But as other commenters have noted, the problem with a build your own you tube solution is that you tube is not profitable. Google as a whole is profitable because of keyword search and ad words and everything else (gmail, youtube, etc.) is unprofitable and subsidized by the two cash cows.

    The difficulty making money off of video is that video tends to take up a lot of storage space and a lot of bandwidth but you don't make any more money off an ad click than you do with a regular old text-and-images page. So the profit margins aren't there. Subscription model obviously can work in some cases (Netflix) but you need high quality content. And even with this netflix spends a lot of time optimizing compression.

    But...a few trends of note... while things like improvement in processor clock frequencies have stalled bigly I believe storage is continuing to get cheaper; storage/dollar still growing expotentially. So time will take care of that. That leaves you with the bandwidth side of the problem. I believe bitchute tries to get around this by using a peer to peer distributed model. Oddly enough, bitchute seems much more clever technologically than you tube.

    Now of course there are other difficulties like you need software to identify possible copyrighted content and deal with DMCA takedowns and pornography and all that.

    Anyway if you want to hurt youtube probably the best bet is to try to make a dent in google's keyword search business to dry up the subsidy money rather than directly competing with YT.
  5. That’s not a joke, host. That’s schizophrenia.

    • Agree: Thulean Friend
    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    Naw. Remember F. Scott Fitzgerald's quote: "To hold two diametrically opposed ideas in your head at the same time is a sign of intelligence". They don't lack reading comprehension, or are mentally ill, they're smarter than us!
    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    Very much agreed. The same mental state that can look at XX-XY sexual dimorphism and conclude it's all this complex, fuzzy thing so Caster Semenya is a woman.

    Occam's Butter Knife, wielded in complete seriousness.
    , @Richard B
    Caleb Cain sounds like a made up name, for a reason.
  6. Imagine having the high ground in every single cultural institution and this is the best psyop you can do.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    They don’t have the high ground so much as a poorly constructed sniper tower.
  7. @Anonymous
    How hard would it be to create a rival platform to YouTube? YouTube itself basically started from scratch didn't it, before being bought out by Google?

    Part of YouTube’s initial popularity was its blatant ignoring of copyright laws. Furthermore Google has a history of throwing as much money as necessary to buy out any competitors.

    Also, anyone who doesn’t tow the Globohomo line is going to find themselves locked out of the banking apparatus for vaguely defined “hate speech” metrics.

  8. @Anonymous
    How hard would it be to create a rival platform to YouTube? YouTube itself basically started from scratch didn't it, before being bought out by Google?

    Depends. Do you have billions of dollars to throw away every year on a massive yet unprofitable business? If so, then pretty easy

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Depends. Do you have billions of dollars to throw away every year on a massive yet unprofitable business? If so, then pretty easy
     
    What would the costs be? Just server space basically?
    , @El Dato
    I don't believe it is "unprofitable" at all.

    It is basically "bulletproof hosting" for various content (not that there isn't fun in this) and with the original content rights waived - and then ads are slapped on top of that. You can't lose.
    , @Almost Missouri
    As far as I can tell, YouTube is quite profitable.

    That does not, however, mean that a right-tolerant competitor to YouTube would also be profitable. Specifically, the site has to be advertiser-friendly, and thanks to the SJW outrage mob and the general occupation of the cultural heights by GloboHomo, advertisers fear RealTalk.

    Best case I can imagine for a right-tolerant YouTube competitor ("RTYTC") is that they would have to sequester the scary-to-advertiser content somehow so that advertisers wouldn't worry about their ads showing up next to the "wrong" content.

    Arguably, RTYTCs already exist. DailyMotion hosts content that YouTube will not (at least non-French content) and RuTube does the same with non-Russian content. And probably Chinese sites likewise with non-Chinese content.

    Maybe the media future of the right is loading content everywhere but the language sphere where it applies: i.e., English on French and Russian sites, French on English and Russian sites, Russian on French and English sites, etc. Sort of like how Americans have to look at DailyMail.co.uk to see politically incorrect details about American news.

    Obviously, the Right foregoes some network benefit from this, i.e., putting your content on a Russian site means that other suggested videos are less likely to be relevant to you so you lose some collateral networking effect, but

    1) if a lot of Right wing sources put content on these sites, then they will start to recreate the lost network effect, and

    2) I've always wondered how much this matters anyway since most YouTube videos I see I am linked into from outside rather than accepting whatever suggestion YouTube has for me.

  9. Anonymous[413] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kent Nationalist
    Except if you read the article carefully, it is clear he was never actually a member of 'the alt-right'. He was always a leftist who just used to watch alt-light youtube videos and who fancied Lauren Southern.

    Except if you read the article carefully, it is clear he was never actually a member of ‘the alt-right’.

    No one has ever been a “member” of “the alt-right.”

    • Replies: @Bill P
    Yeah, the alt-right is the new Tea Party. Was anyone ever a registered member of the Tea Party?

    I used to doubt the existence of the Tea Party, but people always assured me that it was a real thing that existed. Looking into it, I'm kind of skeptical.

    Where were the Tea Party offices? Where were their churches and what taverns did they meet at?

    Same with the "alt-right." It's a bunch of BS. Gays are way more cohesive than either of these supposed entities have ever been. Homosexuals took over churches, bars and entire public housing projects. Now corporations kiss their ass. Since when did that ever happen for the Tea Party or the alt-right?

    I'm pretty disappointed by right-wing efforts at building community. Maybe the problem is that a lot of right-wingers have been morally outmaneuvered because of the inherent contradictions in their philosophy. At least Tucker Carlson is making an effort to address this, but he can't do it alone. There's a lot of work that needs to be done here, and a lot of us will have to pitch in.
  10. Steve, the NY Times has been a joke for a few decades, I’m sure, but you’ve got people thinking this one is a 10 year long running joke. Change that top date to 2019.

    BTW, I clicked on the NY Times article just this one time (to make sure I was right in correcting your date error). Man, the bullshit is really fresh and thick with these people, from paragraph one on. Oh, the guy threw his Glock (of course, because the NY Times doesn’t know any other brands) and the magazine on the kitchen counter he’d been carrying because of those internet trolls … give me a break- first sentence people, and I needed a break already!

    Skimming through it, I saw that the BS doesn’t quit for a minute – the article must conform to all current narratives …

    Great juxtaposition, Steve. It’s like what Matt Drudge did, when I read his site, but with whole articles, not just headlines.

    I guess I should take it more seriously when my 7 y/o boy comes home from school with a paper with “What would you like to be when you grow up?” filled in by him with “A youtuber.”, haha! Is he already a dissident searching for truth, or is he being brainwashed by evil people? Let’s see, he’s in America, not Russia, so I guess the latter. Can you get brainwashed by those crazy cat videos that pretty much support the entire internet (OK pussy/cat videos …).

    • LOL: Old Prude
    • Replies: @anon
    IIRC the internet did start out as DARPA - Defence Advanced Research Pussy Agency. Top secret stuff, so not clear what kind of pussy mandate it was. Possibly/probably both meanings, IMO.
    , @Olorin

    I guess I should take it more seriously when my 7 y/o boy comes home from school with a paper with “What would you like to be when you grow up?” filled in by him with “A youtuber.”, haha! Is he already a dissident searching for truth, or is he being brainwashed by evil people?
     
    I'm recalling that sometime in the 1980s some set of mass comm or marcomm professor types asked fitty bazillion high school seniors (or thereabouts) what they wanted to be after high school.

    The researchers were astonished by the fact that nearly half (or maybe just over) replied "On television."

    The phenomenon calls to mind the "Little Girl Lost" episode of the original Twilight Zone TV series. You know, the one where the little girl goes into the wall and ends up in some other dimension. Her parents can hear her plaintive cries for help.

    The Simpsons did a take on this. "Homer 3" from Treehouse of Horror VI.

    We can watch with various reactions as our young people intuit that the movie, video, or videogame screen is another world, where they want to live, rather than some sort of constructed projection designed to manipulate them. We can try to figure out how to inoculate them.

    There are tons of "media scholars" who ponder the "media space" part of the problem, mostly in impenetrable pomo prose, sometimes with little nuggets of perceptiveness. But precious few work on developing the Media Vaccine--that's left to sh!tposters--and surprisingly few IME even aware this is an issue. (Mr. Unz aims, it seems, to provide that vaccine in his American Pravda series.)

    In the 1980s UC-Santa Cruz's Margaret Morse wrote about how television created a private world between the viewer and the content viewed (and by extension its creators). She was an early examiner of the phenomenon of the "space" of mediated culture and its relationship to the "private lives" of the viewers. I had half a mind to poke around in her articles again, what with the current discussions of what's the problem with Google, FB, etc. She had a piece, "An Ontology of Everyday Distraction: the Freeway, the Mall, and Television," that is considered classic or seminal by some.

    Regardless of the density of her prose, there's some good stuff in there regarding things like the universe of mediated representation coughing up phenomena like fiat currency/speculative economy and the bankruptcy of the Iraq War.

    It touches on just what you're saying about sensing your child being pulled into a world that isn't real...but at the same time isn't unreal, given its potential and eventual effects on him. IOW, it may be ephemeral, but it's got incredible power. Your concern as a parent is crucial. IIRC Marshall McLuhan asserted that World War III would be not a nuclear war, but an information one.

    And everyone is drafted.

  11. anon[413] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-48462190

    A network of tens of thousands of online volunteers is fighting hate speech on Facebook.

    ... every day Nina opens up Facebook and heads straight to the closed group #IchBinHier ("#IAmHere").

    ... They don't attempt to change the minds of people posting hate or argue directly with extremists. Instead they collectively inject discussions with facts and straightforwardly argued reasonable viewpoints. The idea is to provide balance so that other social media users see that there are alternative perspectives beyond the ones offered up by the trolls.
     
    There are alternative perspectives to the ones being suppressed? Did you know that?

    ... Facebook has provided #IAmHere groups with free advertising credits and helps them organise meet-ups as part of its Online Civil Courage Initiative.

    ... Nina, 39, says she spends around three hours a day moderating comments on top of her full-time job as director of an NGO. But she has very personal reasons for devoting a large chunk of her busy schedule to the campaign.

    Her husband is from Uganda
     

    … They don’t attempt to change the minds of people posting hate or argue directly with extremists. Instead they collectively inject discussions with facts and straightforwardly argued reasonable viewpoints. The idea is to provide balance so that other social media users see that there are alternative perspectives

    Why don’t nationalists or other dissidents of a feather organize and do this? There’s still a lot of free exposure to be had on Twitter, other social media, and in comment sections.

    What if Richard Spencer had dedicated himself to organizing a sort of anti-defamation group like this, instead of engaging in the sort of antics he has engaged in?

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    Pretty much because the Liberal-Left-Mainstream comment sections are moderated to not permit this. They ban people rather quickly.
    , @Almost Missouri

    "Why don’t nationalists or other dissidents of a feather organize and do this? There’s still a lot of free exposure to be had on Twitter, other social media, and in comment sections."
     
    They do, or did. What you are seeing is the ongoing effort of GloboHomo to shut such dissent down even faster and more thoroughly than ever before.
    , @swami_cuckenstein
    Richard Spencer glows in the dark
    , @Hypnotoad666
    Courageous truth speaking is called "being a troll" when someone on the Right does it.
    , @Lurker
    We do it all the time! Or used to when there was a reasonable chance of interacting with the mainstream.

    And of course uber cuck Nina isn't going to be banned or deplatformed.
  12. No joke, Sailer. It is simply Jewish censorship. The parallells to the early Days of the radio is striking. The most popular radio host was Father Coughlin, a national-populist who was stridently against any involvement of the US in WWII.

    The major radio corporations, mostly run by jews, shut him down. Youtube and Google are both run by jews and the NYT is also run by jews. You add a lobby group like ADL which has been pushing for censorship for years now and it is a perfect analogy to what happened back then.

    The main difference is that you had powerful goyim like Henry Ford and others who pushed back. Today we have craven merchants like Bezos who is nothing but a servant of the system. Musk is silent even as his own people get butchered in South Africa, so expecting him to say or do anything is also fanciful, despite his libertarian streak.

    What we’re facing is simply a massive jewish assault on freedom of speech, just as we did with radio in the 1930s.

    • Replies: @danand
    "Musk is silent even as his own people get butchered in South Africa, so expecting him to say or do anything is also fanciful, despite his libertarian streak."

    Thulean Friend, one thing that Elon does "say":

    https://youtu.be/aEp-of4qUjc

    I recorded this 3 days back. Usually the Tesla flag flies on the Left, North-most pole. But June, as we all have been forced to become aware, is now a special month.
    , @Anon
    Whites are more effete these days. Easier to watch tv and play on your smartphone, rather than get involved in politics and get ostracized for non-PC statements.

    Also, Whites are much more atomized and individualistic, so they don't feel much connection to their race (or one another).
    , @Anonymous
    Fr. Coughlin was silenced by the Church-he was told to give up the mic or give up the collar.

    Jews are powerful but not omnipotent or omniscient. Ultimately they are afraid, but they provoke the status quo until something happens and hope it's just bad enough. They provoked a little too much in Europe before WWII and the consequences were way more than they bargained for.

    Ultimately, whites are at fault for not being willing to fade the heat for not telling them NO.
  13. @Anonymous
    How hard would it be to create a rival platform to YouTube? YouTube itself basically started from scratch didn't it, before being bought out by Google?

    The problem is you can’t just copy youtube. You need a payment processor, and financial institutions fold like a cheap suit when the SJWs get on them. So either you don’t allow “far right” material on your youtube clone, giving nobody a reason to use your site, or you have to use a porn payment processor, meaning the playing field is tilted toward youtube before you even get started.

    Beyond that, youtube is owned by Google, so they’re always going to get preferential treatment in search and they’ll benefit from the Goog’s endless hoard of cash.

    So it would be hard. Damn hard. Which is why the few attempts so far have failed.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    Not doubting your analysis, but some questions:

    1) What is bad about using a payment processor whose clients include porn sites?

    2) I think most of YouTube's revenue is not from subscribers, but from advertisers, so the choke point that SJWs attack is scaring advertisers off right-friendly sites (along with the society-wide harassment of anything not sufficiently woke).
  14. Mr. Navalny’s daughter is entering Stanford this year as undergraduate. He’s doing just fine.

  15. He is scarred by his experience of being radicalized by what he calls a “decentralized cult” of far-right YouTube personalities, who convinced him that Western civilization was under threat from Muslim immigrants and cultural Marxists, that innate I.Q. differences explained racial disparities, and that feminism was a dangerous ideology.

    I am happy to hear that after some light therapy, NPC status has been successfully regained.

    And always remember: You must obsessively follow Pussy Riot. Pussy Riot. PUSSY RIOT!!

    The radicalization of young men is driven by a complex stew of emotional, economic and political elements, many having nothing to do with social media.

    Winner quote!

  16. The date you put after the “Kevin Roose” byline is incorrect. It reads 2009, but should read 2019.

    But if you found a way to reverse time and it actually IS 2009 again, let me know because there are some stocks I’ll buy…

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    That'd have been a great year to buy, too!
  17. @Olorin
    That's not a joke, host. That's schizophrenia.

    Naw. Remember F. Scott Fitzgerald’s quote: “To hold two diametrically opposed ideas in your head at the same time is a sign of intelligence”. They don’t lack reading comprehension, or are mentally ill, they’re smarter than us!

    • Replies: @Olorin
    I somehow always manage to forget this, Red.

    Then I think of Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel coming out of hypnotism, where he's been doing complex math regarding Zorn's Lemma.

    Hypnotist snaps his fingers--at wife Brandine's demand to "gimme muh dayum husband back!"

    Cletus blinks, looks at the blackboard and drawls, "Dang, Brandine, look uh all them hobo signs. My head bone hurts."

    The hypnotist act of the MSM would be funny if it weren't causing such dire negative effects on people's head bones.
    , @Richard B
    F. Scott Fitzgerald was talking about an aspect of thought associated with Romanticism, ie; not staying stuck in an Either/Or world by polarizing opposites, (like the Right and Left do and have been doing for the past 200+years) but moving into a Both/And world by transcending them.

    The NY Times, on the other hand, was engaged in yet another act of self-refuting denial.

    So, no they're not smarters than us, and, yeah, they are mentally ill.
  18. Anonymous[413] • Disclaimer says:
    @Michael S
    Depends. Do you have billions of dollars to throw away every year on a massive yet unprofitable business? If so, then pretty easy

    Depends. Do you have billions of dollars to throw away every year on a massive yet unprofitable business? If so, then pretty easy

    What would the costs be? Just server space basically?

    • Agree: PV van der Byl
    • Replies: @El Dato
    That, and you probably want special hardware with ultra-cheap ultra-large backend storage, but mostly bandwidth (renting fiber and access to routing infrastructure, or even laying your own).

    A fat chunk will be payouts to content providers, depending on the contracts.

    Then multiple lawyers, some research & development (plugins, compatibility, testing, content management tools, mobile apps).

    Plus some blue-haired women doing the content checks.
  19. Anon[770] • Disclaimer says:

    The idea of analyzing a data dump of his YouTube history is pretty interesting.

    These are the four things that Roose lists as beliefs that Cain accepted after watching “far-right decentralized cult YouTube personalities”:

    — Western civilization is under threat from Muslim immigrants
    — Western civilization is under threat from cultural Marxists
    — Innate I.Q. differences explain racial disparities
    — Feminism is a dangerous ideology

    Cain did not buy into the following ideas:

    — Holocaust denial
    — The need for a white ethnostate

    His far-right binge led Cain to:

    — Identify as a traditional conservative committed to old-fashioned gender norms
    — Date an evangelical Christian woman
    — Debate liberal friends (which implies he had and retained liberal friends)

    Rejecting his far-right beliefs led Cain to:

    — Buy a gun
    — Start his own YouTube channel with left-wing edgy humor and memes

    Props to Roose for being specific about the beliefs of his subject and not exaggerating things. The four beliefs that Cain had seem pretty reasonable to me (depending on a couple of definitions). His resulting behavior seems positive, a girlfriend, doubts about World War T, and a viewpoint-diverse social circle. The things he rejected show that he balanced the evidence and made his own decisions. Not bad for “an aimless young man interested in video games.”

    On the other hand, becoming a left-wing YouTuber and buying a Glock seem like unfortunate developments. I wish him the best. I don’t think the YouTube gig is going to pay enough to support marriage to his girlfriend (if she is still around).

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    I don’t think the YouTube gig is going to pay enough to support marriage to his girlfriend (if she is still around).
     
    How do you know he isn't being funded by someone else? The article was oddly silent about his sources of income.
    , @Cloudbuster
    On the other hand, becoming a left-wing YouTuber and buying a Glock seem like unfortunate developments.

    There's nothing unfortunate about exercising your first and second amendment rights.
    , @Verymuchalive
    Caleb Cain ? Does sound like a suspiciously fake name. Does he really exist or is he a product of the Stephen " Broken " Glass and Jayson Blair school of journalism.
    , @nebulafox
    Interesting level of parallels to me. One could debate whether he was truly "alt right" or just having vaguely post-Bush implosion, non-GOP right wing views coinciding with some alt-lite stuff. The former is increasingly the case for most of the right wing populace, as the GOP has become uninterested in anything except abortion, corporate welfare, tax cuts for robber barons, and losing stupid wars of choice.

    The differences are that I ended up with a Muslim lady rather than an evangelical (so, yeah, my views on Islamic immigration are more nuanced than your average poster here-or the vast majority of the media all over the political spectrum, really), and I'm still largely agnostic on the race-biology question. On a superficial level, I have always been deeply skeptical about blank slate theory because I believed in evolution, even when I was at my most left wing at about 19. But beyond that, I just don't know enough to give a meaningful answer, like most random people. I'm not a geneticist or an evolutionary biologist. I won't pretend to be one. On the other hand, I have views on bien-pensant UMC leftists that'd make him pee his pants and don't take 3rd wave feminism seriously enough to even view it that way. (You ever noticed that feminism chicks are into some freaky stuff in bed?)

    Oh, and I'm just not capable of the mental contradictions necessary to believe that mass unskilled immigration of any kind is somehow in the average citizen's interest, economically or socially. But then, I'm relying on silly things like "supply and demand" or "social cohesion". Compared to the rigors of Vox pundits or Cato Institute lobbyists, what do I have?

  20. Hate speech isn’t free speech

    The problem with YouTube is that it doesn’t have gatekeepers

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    We have TD to introduce a balanced, reasoned fairness of facts into the discussion here.

    iSteve is therefore above reproach, and iSteve's readers and commenters are in this way immunized against the bad things mentioned in the article. That is why TD is welcomed here.
    , @MarkU
    Hi there Tiny Duck

    Is this free speech, or is it hate speech? I am interested to hear your opinion because it is still on UTube

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZUk_Q-qawk

  21. Hilarious. That the Times is so cluelessly contradictory tells us that they really are losing control. This is really fun to watch.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Hilarious. That the Times is so cluelessly contradictory tells us that they really are losing control. This is really fun to watch.
     
    What is the contradiction?
  22. @Kent Nationalist
    Except if you read the article carefully, it is clear he was never actually a member of 'the alt-right'. He was always a leftist who just used to watch alt-light youtube videos and who fancied Lauren Southern.

    I read the article. It looked plausible to me that he did genuinely consider himself to be a “member of the alt-right.” Importantly, a cluster of ideas cannot be impugned on the basis of the credibility of one of its adherents.

    The sleight of hand in the NYT article is this: they’re not sympathetic to Cain. He’s precisely the sort of pasty wuss that Whiskey is always railing about white women hating so (and not without reason!). So the subtext is: look at this pathetic white guy, who reminds us why we had to seize power from pathetic white guys. He pretty much represents the alt-right type, which discredits alt-right ideas.

    Conspiracy theories (e.g. 9-11) routinely suffer from being supported by people with ludicrous arguments.

    As for “Ms” Wynn, NYT charitably describes “her” as a “former academic.” I can’t imagine the same language being used to describe a right-wing PhD dropout.

    And back to Cain, he has my pity. He probably realized he had a better shot at “Ms” Wynn than Ms Southern.

  23. Dissenters for thee, not for me.

    • Replies: @res
    The flip side of free speech for me, but not for thee.
    , @MEH 0910
    Punching Dissenting Up vs. Punching Dissenting Down.
  24. @Anonymous

    Except if you read the article carefully, it is clear he was never actually a member of ‘the alt-right’.
     
    No one has ever been a "member" of "the alt-right."

    Yeah, the alt-right is the new Tea Party. Was anyone ever a registered member of the Tea Party?

    I used to doubt the existence of the Tea Party, but people always assured me that it was a real thing that existed. Looking into it, I’m kind of skeptical.

    Where were the Tea Party offices? Where were their churches and what taverns did they meet at?

    Same with the “alt-right.” It’s a bunch of BS. Gays are way more cohesive than either of these supposed entities have ever been. Homosexuals took over churches, bars and entire public housing projects. Now corporations kiss their ass. Since when did that ever happen for the Tea Party or the alt-right?

    I’m pretty disappointed by right-wing efforts at building community. Maybe the problem is that a lot of right-wingers have been morally outmaneuvered because of the inherent contradictions in their philosophy. At least Tucker Carlson is making an effort to address this, but he can’t do it alone. There’s a lot of work that needs to be done here, and a lot of us will have to pitch in.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    At least Tucker Carlson is making an effort to address this, but he can’t do it alone. There’s a lot of work that needs to be done here, and a lot of us will have to pitch in.
     
    What, specifically, can we do to help? What is Carlson doing?
    , @Almost Missouri

    "Maybe the problem is that a lot of right-wingers have been morally outmaneuvered because of the inherent contradictions in their philosophy"
     
    Which ones were you thinking of?

    IMHO, in this non-thinking age, inherent philosophical contradictions doom nothing. How much hindrance has the Left suffered from its many and manifest contradictions? None that I can see.

    In terms of organizing, the right suffers from having jobs, kids, mortgages and taxes = little free cash flow, little free time, lots of preexisting commitments. The Left is unemployed or fake employed, without natural children, and heavily funded by the welfare state and the quaNGO money machine = free cash flow, lots of free time, always looking for the next project.
    , @Smucker
    The same Tucker Carlson who is promoting Elizabeth Warren's "economics"??? Sory, Tucker is a Trojan Horse, fake Libertarian, and has been for yrs. Sounds good, makes sense for weeks, then goes far left, or carries water for the NWO (like his antics at the Vegas Ron Paul rally yrs ago, showing up with hookers). NOT to be trusted.
  25. All that time I thought I was watching YouTube for Kat videos and bikini try-ons for the booty, I didn’t realise the blued-eyed blonde babe was recruiting me to the alt-right; it was only clear after the yoga-pants try-on and that NYT article.

    • Replies: @ic1000
    > All that time I thought I was watching YouTube for Kat videos and bikini try-ons for the booty, I didn’t realise the blued-eyed blonde babe was recruiting me to the alt-right

    The 16-minute "Yoga Pants" YouTube video you embedded was worth a skim. This video blogger has a bunch of other try-ons on her channel.

    But I'm confused, did you mean to add this comment to the thread for the "Let's Talk About My Hair" post that precedes this one? Is "Kat Wonders" an alter ego of Kiersten Saunders (the Pokemon-points blogger being oppressed by FIRE disciples' indifference to her 'fro)?

    Even if Kat and Kiersten are distinct people, The Patriarchy is obviously to blame for the outsized role that Good Hair plays in each of their lives.

    It's hard to keep up.
    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    This is what life looks like on super easy mode.
    , @Yngvar
    Too old.
    , @Charles Pewitt
    I'm now listening to Peter Schiff hammer the crap out of the Federal Reserve while watching that lady from the yoga pants video try on thongs.

    In 1968 The Doors were screaming about The End, they were off by about 50 years.

    Schiff calls quantitative easing a monetary roach motel -- the Fed could check in but they can't check out.

    Schiff goes on about his prediction that there would be more quantitative easings than Rocky movies.

    I don't want to see Janet Yellen in a thong, thank you very much.

    Federal funds rate is now at 2.5 percent and they're talking about cutting again.

    Yellen was talking about 4 percent as the new normal federal funds rate, and then Powell started talking about neutral rate crud. The bastards at the Federal Reserve Bank are calling it quits at 2.5 percent!
    , @Charles Pewitt
    The lady who tries on yoga pants and thongs is good fun!

    She does a cat scratch thing when she tries on the leopard print thong.

    I'd rather have a fling with that thong lady than Theresa May and her leopard print shoes -- most political experts would agree with me.
  26. Caleb Cain had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.

    • Replies: @Digital Samizdat
    Regret to inform that I already used up my LOL button!
  27. @Anonymous
    https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-48462190

    A network of tens of thousands of online volunteers is fighting hate speech on Facebook.

    ... every day Nina opens up Facebook and heads straight to the closed group #IchBinHier ("#IAmHere").

    ... They don't attempt to change the minds of people posting hate or argue directly with extremists. Instead they collectively inject discussions with facts and straightforwardly argued reasonable viewpoints. The idea is to provide balance so that other social media users see that there are alternative perspectives beyond the ones offered up by the trolls.
     
    There are alternative perspectives to the ones being suppressed? Did you know that?

    ... Facebook has provided #IAmHere groups with free advertising credits and helps them organise meet-ups as part of its Online Civil Courage Initiative.

    ... Nina, 39, says she spends around three hours a day moderating comments on top of her full-time job as director of an NGO. But she has very personal reasons for devoting a large chunk of her busy schedule to the campaign.

    Her husband is from Uganda
     

    Her husband is from Uganda

    LOL. I thought maybe he was launching anti-gay slurs all day long, so she was doing something about that.

    No, she’s part of #GermanyTooWhite. I’m waiting for the day someone launches #UgandaTooBlack.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    No, she’s part of #GermanyTooWhite. I’m waiting for the day someone launches #UgandaTooBlack
     
    Better yet, #UgandaTooStraight.
  28. All the talk about how YouTube’s algorithms “played into the hands” of far-right creators seems to boil down to “their videos were popular! Damn them!”

  29. @Kent Nationalist
    Except if you read the article carefully, it is clear he was never actually a member of 'the alt-right'. He was always a leftist who just used to watch alt-light youtube videos and who fancied Lauren Southern.

    Horniness for Lauren Southern seems to be a major factor in pushing men to accept the Alt Right.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    If the anecdotal evidence can be believed, Lauren Southern's entire alt-right career was motivated out of spite towards a high school brown boyfriend that pumped and dumped her.
  30. @Cloudbuster
    Caleb Cain had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.

    Regret to inform that I already used up my LOL button!

  31. Anonymous[421] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    The idea of analyzing a data dump of his YouTube history is pretty interesting.

    These are the four things that Roose lists as beliefs that Cain accepted after watching "far-right decentralized cult YouTube personalities":

    -- Western civilization is under threat from Muslim immigrants
    -- Western civilization is under threat from cultural Marxists
    -- Innate I.Q. differences explain racial disparities
    -- Feminism is a dangerous ideology

    Cain did not buy into the following ideas:

    -- Holocaust denial
    -- The need for a white ethnostate

    His far-right binge led Cain to:

    -- Identify as a traditional conservative committed to old-fashioned gender norms
    -- Date an evangelical Christian woman
    -- Debate liberal friends (which implies he had and retained liberal friends)

    Rejecting his far-right beliefs led Cain to:

    -- Buy a gun
    -- Start his own YouTube channel with left-wing edgy humor and memes

    Props to Roose for being specific about the beliefs of his subject and not exaggerating things. The four beliefs that Cain had seem pretty reasonable to me (depending on a couple of definitions). His resulting behavior seems positive, a girlfriend, doubts about World War T, and a viewpoint-diverse social circle. The things he rejected show that he balanced the evidence and made his own decisions. Not bad for "an aimless young man interested in video games."

    On the other hand, becoming a left-wing YouTuber and buying a Glock seem like unfortunate developments. I wish him the best. I don't think the YouTube gig is going to pay enough to support marriage to his girlfriend (if she is still around).

    I don’t think the YouTube gig is going to pay enough to support marriage to his girlfriend (if she is still around).

    How do you know he isn’t being funded by someone else? The article was oddly silent about his sources of income.

  32. Anonymous[421] • Disclaimer says:
    @Daniel H
    Hilarious. That the Times is so cluelessly contradictory tells us that they really are losing control. This is really fun to watch.

    Hilarious. That the Times is so cluelessly contradictory tells us that they really are losing control. This is really fun to watch.

    What is the contradiction?

    • Replies: @anon
    “The entire social, political part of television is controlled by the authorities (the Democratic/Progressive establishment),” said Leonid G. Parfenov, an independent news anchor who has been shut out of state TV since 2004 for being too critical of the government. “For that reason, you cannot consider this television journalism — it is just propaganda, they are just employees of the presidential administration.”

    Wreckers of the SJW narrative are largely persona non grata in the MSM and instead are being heard on YouTube. Now, the witch hunt against the wreckers is being ramped up and more and more of them are being banished to the Goolag Archipelago. NYT approves of this. But they also approve of Russian dissidents having platforms for their views on Russian YT channels.
  33. Anonymous[421] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill P
    Yeah, the alt-right is the new Tea Party. Was anyone ever a registered member of the Tea Party?

    I used to doubt the existence of the Tea Party, but people always assured me that it was a real thing that existed. Looking into it, I'm kind of skeptical.

    Where were the Tea Party offices? Where were their churches and what taverns did they meet at?

    Same with the "alt-right." It's a bunch of BS. Gays are way more cohesive than either of these supposed entities have ever been. Homosexuals took over churches, bars and entire public housing projects. Now corporations kiss their ass. Since when did that ever happen for the Tea Party or the alt-right?

    I'm pretty disappointed by right-wing efforts at building community. Maybe the problem is that a lot of right-wingers have been morally outmaneuvered because of the inherent contradictions in their philosophy. At least Tucker Carlson is making an effort to address this, but he can't do it alone. There's a lot of work that needs to be done here, and a lot of us will have to pitch in.

    At least Tucker Carlson is making an effort to address this, but he can’t do it alone. There’s a lot of work that needs to be done here, and a lot of us will have to pitch in.

    What, specifically, can we do to help? What is Carlson doing?

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    One thing I've noticed is that Carlson is a crucial bridge in getting older people away from GOP doctrinaire beliefs.

    I got my father to admit that having state funded contraceptives and abortion available to people who really shouldn't be reproducing might be wise, that Operation IRANIAN FREEDOM is a very bad idea, and that oligarchs aren't "natural allies" of conservatism/trusts are bad. That's all three Bushie pillars damaged, all through Carlson.

  34. @Olorin
    That's not a joke, host. That's schizophrenia.

    Very much agreed. The same mental state that can look at XX-XY sexual dimorphism and conclude it’s all this complex, fuzzy thing so Caster Semenya is a woman.

    Occam’s Butter Knife, wielded in complete seriousness.

    • Replies: @Sparkling Wiggle
    I’m really looking forward to Reg Caesar’s anagrams of caster semenya
    , @Olorin
    More, I think, like Cybele's.

    ;)
  35. @Anonymous
    How hard would it be to create a rival platform to YouTube? YouTube itself basically started from scratch didn't it, before being bought out by Google?

    You don’t have to start a new YouTube, sonce the Russians have already done that. Go to VK.com. I can’t see any obvious censorship at VK, so much of what gets censored in the U.S. and Europe flies through there.

    • Replies: @anon
    You don’t have to start a new YouTube, sonce the Russians have already done that. Go to VK.com. I can’t see any obvious censorship at VK, so much of what gets censored in the U.S. and Europe flies through there.

    How tolerant are the Russians of WWII historiography?
  36. @Days of Broken Arrows
    The date you put after the "Kevin Roose" byline is incorrect. It reads 2009, but should read 2019.

    But if you found a way to reverse time and it actually IS 2009 again, let me know because there are some stocks I'll buy...

    That’d have been a great year to buy, too!

  37. So. I punished myself by watching a bit of the ContraPoint person.

    What’s Wrong with Capitalism (Part 1)

    What’s Wrong with Capitalism (Part 2)

    These videos seem representative. Very tired traditional Marxist criticisms of capitalism from a mentally ill young man. Every time he gets to the sections on alternatives … he’s got nothing.

    I agree with him about one thing. “Can we please not hand more power to the absolute worst dingbats society has to offer?” Government is power. Government attracts dingbats and monsters. Socialist governments are BIG governments.

  38. @Anon
    The idea of analyzing a data dump of his YouTube history is pretty interesting.

    These are the four things that Roose lists as beliefs that Cain accepted after watching "far-right decentralized cult YouTube personalities":

    -- Western civilization is under threat from Muslim immigrants
    -- Western civilization is under threat from cultural Marxists
    -- Innate I.Q. differences explain racial disparities
    -- Feminism is a dangerous ideology

    Cain did not buy into the following ideas:

    -- Holocaust denial
    -- The need for a white ethnostate

    His far-right binge led Cain to:

    -- Identify as a traditional conservative committed to old-fashioned gender norms
    -- Date an evangelical Christian woman
    -- Debate liberal friends (which implies he had and retained liberal friends)

    Rejecting his far-right beliefs led Cain to:

    -- Buy a gun
    -- Start his own YouTube channel with left-wing edgy humor and memes

    Props to Roose for being specific about the beliefs of his subject and not exaggerating things. The four beliefs that Cain had seem pretty reasonable to me (depending on a couple of definitions). His resulting behavior seems positive, a girlfriend, doubts about World War T, and a viewpoint-diverse social circle. The things he rejected show that he balanced the evidence and made his own decisions. Not bad for "an aimless young man interested in video games."

    On the other hand, becoming a left-wing YouTuber and buying a Glock seem like unfortunate developments. I wish him the best. I don't think the YouTube gig is going to pay enough to support marriage to his girlfriend (if she is still around).

    On the other hand, becoming a left-wing YouTuber and buying a Glock seem like unfortunate developments.

    There’s nothing unfortunate about exercising your first and second amendment rights.

    • Replies: @Anon

    On the other hand, becoming a left-wing YouTuber and buying a Glock seem like unfortunate developments.

    There’s nothing unfortunate about exercising your first and second amendment rights.
     

     
    My point was that he was an aimless, broke young man. He needs to pull himself together and get a job and a relationship.

    YouTube is a time sinkhole that only is a living for a small minority, and even for them you're a sharecropper on someone else's platform. Google changes the rules on income all the time. The Panda algorithm update and various AdSense changes have put many websites out of business, and that is even before the censorship problems. YouTube is not a career.

    As for guns, I have not problem with owning a Glock or 20. But he bought one based on fear of online death threats, which indicate a certain level of paranoia. When people threaten to kill you online, your odds of being killed have increased about 0.00001 percent, the odds of being hit by a meterorite, and mentally healthy people understand that. And there was nothing in the article about his having trained with the weopon. I want lots of people to own lots of guns, but not him. He sounds like a nut.
  39. While I don’t share many commenters’ interests & obsessions (IQ debates, anti-Judaism, nuances of feminism,…), and I have not done any statistical analysis on the Youtube contents, here is what I’ve observed – of course, this is purely subjective & based on a rather limited experience …

    Black on white crime

    Some 2-3 years ago, although censorship existed, you could get, after typing keywords, pretty realistic picture on hood crime, black on white hatred, many graphic videos from US cities with black thugs on rampage etc. No more. Now, you’ll get lots of whining videos about police terrorizing innocent blacks in US cities & only in some niches, like Colin Flaherty, long talks about black hate crimes against whites.

    But this is more academic, just talk and talk….

    Jews

    Perhaps 2-3 years ago, Youtube was clearly anti-Judaist. Almost 70% were crazy conspiracies a la David Duke; up to 10% was mostly propaganda for Israel (tourism & politics); and the rest was mixed, with not few critical videos on Jewish influence on US foreign policy & various Israeli topics (music,Palestinians etc.). No more. Anti-Jewish videos (both rational & utterly crazy) almost completely disappeared & all you get is propaganda for Israel & Jews in general.

    Feminism

    Also, took a nose dive. You’ll be offered just harmless comedy videos where extreme feminist women make fools of themselves, but most of these video have less than 100,000 views.

    In sum: leftist-liberal censorship at work, & very stringent, in my opinion.

  40. The inclusion of Milton Friedman in their montage of YouTube radicals is my favorite part.

  41. @anon
    … They don’t attempt to change the minds of people posting hate or argue directly with extremists. Instead they collectively inject discussions with facts and straightforwardly argued reasonable viewpoints. The idea is to provide balance so that other social media users see that there are alternative perspectives

    Why don't nationalists or other dissidents of a feather organize and do this? There's still a lot of free exposure to be had on Twitter, other social media, and in comment sections.

    What if Richard Spencer had dedicated himself to organizing a sort of anti-defamation group like this, instead of engaging in the sort of antics he has engaged in?

    Pretty much because the Liberal-Left-Mainstream comment sections are moderated to not permit this. They ban people rather quickly.

  42. Two papers in one!

    • Agree: JimS
  43. @Tiny Duck
    Hate speech isn't free speech

    The problem with YouTube is that it doesn't have gatekeepers

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u6-ll8dfpKA

    We have TD to introduce a balanced, reasoned fairness of facts into the discussion here.

    iSteve is therefore above reproach, and iSteve’s readers and commenters are in this way immunized against the bad things mentioned in the article. That is why TD is welcomed here.

  44. Caleb Cain was a college dropout looking for direction. He turned to YouTube.

    Only a pitiful lost soul would get sucked into the vortex of the …. alt… uh oh .. right oh noes.

    The dorky NYT article is part of the momentum to censor non-socialist internet content:

    “In a move Pichair said acknowledged would be controversial, “fact checkers” will be brought in to monitor YouTube videos.”

  45. @Michael S
    Depends. Do you have billions of dollars to throw away every year on a massive yet unprofitable business? If so, then pretty easy

    I don’t believe it is “unprofitable” at all.

    It is basically “bulletproof hosting” for various content (not that there isn’t fun in this) and with the original content rights waived – and then ads are slapped on top of that. You can’t lose.

  46. There were stories like this on PTL and other Christian networks in the 80s regarding satanism. The gateway drug was heavy metal or punk music. Yet the lifestyle trappings the described weren’t recognizable to anyone actually interested in punk or heavy metal.

    One guy said bogus stuff like “the point of punk is for every part of you to be a weapon. That’s why you spike your head and wear sharp jewelry.”

    So the NYT is the new Jerry Falwell network.

  47. @Anonymous
    https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-48462190

    A network of tens of thousands of online volunteers is fighting hate speech on Facebook.

    ... every day Nina opens up Facebook and heads straight to the closed group #IchBinHier ("#IAmHere").

    ... They don't attempt to change the minds of people posting hate or argue directly with extremists. Instead they collectively inject discussions with facts and straightforwardly argued reasonable viewpoints. The idea is to provide balance so that other social media users see that there are alternative perspectives beyond the ones offered up by the trolls.
     
    There are alternative perspectives to the ones being suppressed? Did you know that?

    ... Facebook has provided #IAmHere groups with free advertising credits and helps them organise meet-ups as part of its Online Civil Courage Initiative.

    ... Nina, 39, says she spends around three hours a day moderating comments on top of her full-time job as director of an NGO. But she has very personal reasons for devoting a large chunk of her busy schedule to the campaign.

    Her husband is from Uganda
     

    #IchBinHier (“#IAmHere”) = Volunteer Auxiliary Thought Police

    I guess Merkel-esque Frau Nina can’t resist playing into the stereotype of needing to silence dissent against the police state.

    From the BBC article:

    Nina’s alarm clock is going off. Before getting up and making breakfast for her 13-month-old daughter …
    Nina with her Ugandan husband, who moved to Berlin in 2017

    Thirteen months + nine months = 22 months, subtract from 2019 = 2017. It seems Herr Nina’s-Ugandan-Husband didn’t waste any time establishing himself an anchor baby in this marginal womb of the German welfare state. Yes, that’s the kind of entrepreneurial spirit that Angela Merkel rightly recognized her country of parlous finances and even more parlous demographics really really needed.

    • Replies: @Lurker

    Thirteen months
     
    Nina needs to be aware of the looming event horizon the 2YR - 2 Year Rule. In eleven months it's odds on that her Ugandan babydaddy will be away on his toes.
  48. Youtube is some sort of shape-shifter . In the US it undermines the government and the prevailing narrative by allowing heretics to led our people astray. While in Russia it undermines the government by allowing the righteous dissidents to shine the light.

    , a member of Pussy Riot;

    Here is another case where Americans seem to speak for the citizens of a country they know little to nothing about. We always seem to think we can pick other people’s leaders. Whether it was Ahmad Chalabi, or the weird looking man in Venezuela, we pick people who seem to have no appeal to the locals.

    I don’t speak Russian, nor have I ever been there. But from the descriptions I have read about pussy riot entering into a church and defiling the altar in a simulated, sexual manner, I am going to go out on a limb and think pussy riot do not have a large following, nor should they.

    Whatever they believe or stand for, the moment they entered a church (or synagogue or mosque btw) and defiled someone’s religion in such a disgusting way, they lost all respect in my mind. Whether this is something the Russian people believe, I don’t know. But I would like to think it does matter to them.

    In addition to the above, the fact that pussy riot is nearly always name-dropped by US media as a legitimate dissenter makes me respect them all the less.

    • Agree: GermanReader2
    • Replies: @El Dato
    Getting bullwhipped by Cossacks for no good reason except the privilege of a juvenile stunt is not very productive.

    https://youtu.be/FFrZfluKDrc
  49. @Anonymous

    Depends. Do you have billions of dollars to throw away every year on a massive yet unprofitable business? If so, then pretty easy
     
    What would the costs be? Just server space basically?

    That, and you probably want special hardware with ultra-cheap ultra-large backend storage, but mostly bandwidth (renting fiber and access to routing infrastructure, or even laying your own).

    A fat chunk will be payouts to content providers, depending on the contracts.

    Then multiple lawyers, some research & development (plugins, compatibility, testing, content management tools, mobile apps).

    Plus some blue-haired women doing the content checks.

  50. rsj says:

    Voxday has started unauthorized tv. It is not exactly like youtube, but it does have some great stuff on it. Owen Benjamin is putting his stuff there, David the Good, and medievalist professor Rachel Fulton Brown is creating a medieval history class that will be on there. It is the ground floor beginning for this option so I am looking forward to see how it grows. unauthorized.tv is the website.

  51. @istevefan
    Youtube is some sort of shape-shifter . In the US it undermines the government and the prevailing narrative by allowing heretics to led our people astray. While in Russia it undermines the government by allowing the righteous dissidents to shine the light.

    , a member of Pussy Riot;
     
    Here is another case where Americans seem to speak for the citizens of a country they know little to nothing about. We always seem to think we can pick other people's leaders. Whether it was Ahmad Chalabi, or the weird looking man in Venezuela, we pick people who seem to have no appeal to the locals.

    I don't speak Russian, nor have I ever been there. But from the descriptions I have read about pussy riot entering into a church and defiling the altar in a simulated, sexual manner, I am going to go out on a limb and think pussy riot do not have a large following, nor should they.

    Whatever they believe or stand for, the moment they entered a church (or synagogue or mosque btw) and defiled someone's religion in such a disgusting way, they lost all respect in my mind. Whether this is something the Russian people believe, I don't know. But I would like to think it does matter to them.

    In addition to the above, the fact that pussy riot is nearly always name-dropped by US media as a legitimate dissenter makes me respect them all the less.

    Getting bullwhipped by Cossacks for no good reason except the privilege of a juvenile stunt is not very productive.

    • Replies: @Random Smartaleck

    Getting bullwhipped by Cossacks for no good reason except the privilege of a juvenile stunt is not very productive.
     
    Oh no, quite to the contrary, it's great for producing quality entertainment!! I mean, not exactly the intended entertainment, but still...
    , @istevefan
    Vice refers to this as a "mini-pogrom" at about 1 min 30 sec.
  52. @The Alarmist
    All that time I thought I was watching YouTube for Kat videos and bikini try-ons for the booty, I didn't realise the blued-eyed blonde babe was recruiting me to the alt-right; it was only clear after the yoga-pants try-on and that NYT article.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jJ6QqysO5c

    > All that time I thought I was watching YouTube for Kat videos and bikini try-ons for the booty, I didn’t realise the blued-eyed blonde babe was recruiting me to the alt-right

    The 16-minute “Yoga Pants” YouTube video you embedded was worth a skim. This video blogger has a bunch of other try-ons on her channel.

    But I’m confused, did you mean to add this comment to the thread for the “Let’s Talk About My Hair” post that precedes this one? Is “Kat Wonders” an alter ego of Kiersten Saunders (the Pokemon-points blogger being oppressed by FIRE disciples’ indifference to her ‘fro)?

    Even if Kat and Kiersten are distinct people, The Patriarchy is obviously to blame for the outsized role that Good Hair plays in each of their lives.

    It’s hard to keep up.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist

    "It’s hard to keep up."
     
    If the videos won't do it for you, there are pills that might help.
  53. @Anonymous
    https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-48462190

    A network of tens of thousands of online volunteers is fighting hate speech on Facebook.

    ... every day Nina opens up Facebook and heads straight to the closed group #IchBinHier ("#IAmHere").

    ... They don't attempt to change the minds of people posting hate or argue directly with extremists. Instead they collectively inject discussions with facts and straightforwardly argued reasonable viewpoints. The idea is to provide balance so that other social media users see that there are alternative perspectives beyond the ones offered up by the trolls.
     
    There are alternative perspectives to the ones being suppressed? Did you know that?

    ... Facebook has provided #IAmHere groups with free advertising credits and helps them organise meet-ups as part of its Online Civil Courage Initiative.

    ... Nina, 39, says she spends around three hours a day moderating comments on top of her full-time job as director of an NGO. But she has very personal reasons for devoting a large chunk of her busy schedule to the campaign.

    Her husband is from Uganda
     

    A network of tens of thousands of online volunteers is fighting hate speech on Facebook.

    Nice. I’m sure there is a meme based on “Welcome to the N.H.K.” about this.

    … Facebook has provided #IAmHere groups with free advertising credits

    Year’s Revenue: 55.8×10⁹ USD

    “Found a quarter down the sofa and thanks for your free time!”

  54. @Anon
    Horniness for Lauren Southern seems to be a major factor in pushing men to accept the Alt Right.

    If the anecdotal evidence can be believed, Lauren Southern’s entire alt-right career was motivated out of spite towards a high school brown boyfriend that pumped and dumped her.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    Brown like me brown or black? Isn't she infamous for "hanging out" around blacks. Would not surprise me
    , @Anon
    Nah, she's just a grifter.

    The HS boyfriend looks mixed. Supposedly, he's half something or the other, but definitelybhe's got some nonwhite ancestry.
  55. @The Alarmist
    All that time I thought I was watching YouTube for Kat videos and bikini try-ons for the booty, I didn't realise the blued-eyed blonde babe was recruiting me to the alt-right; it was only clear after the yoga-pants try-on and that NYT article.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jJ6QqysO5c

    This is what life looks like on super easy mode.

  56. In Russia, You Tube watches you!

  57. @ic1000
    > All that time I thought I was watching YouTube for Kat videos and bikini try-ons for the booty, I didn’t realise the blued-eyed blonde babe was recruiting me to the alt-right

    The 16-minute "Yoga Pants" YouTube video you embedded was worth a skim. This video blogger has a bunch of other try-ons on her channel.

    But I'm confused, did you mean to add this comment to the thread for the "Let's Talk About My Hair" post that precedes this one? Is "Kat Wonders" an alter ego of Kiersten Saunders (the Pokemon-points blogger being oppressed by FIRE disciples' indifference to her 'fro)?

    Even if Kat and Kiersten are distinct people, The Patriarchy is obviously to blame for the outsized role that Good Hair plays in each of their lives.

    It's hard to keep up.

    “It’s hard to keep up.”

    If the videos won’t do it for you, there are pills that might help.

    • LOL: ic1000
  58. From the ‘Anonymous’ Godfey Elfwick piece in The Guardian:

    About a week before the US election, I heard one of these YouTubers use the phrase “red-pilled” – a term from the film The Matrix – in reference to people being awakened to the truth about the world and SJWs. Suddenly I thought: “This is exactly like a cult. What am I doing? I’m turning into an arsehole.”

  59. @Anon
    The idea of analyzing a data dump of his YouTube history is pretty interesting.

    These are the four things that Roose lists as beliefs that Cain accepted after watching "far-right decentralized cult YouTube personalities":

    -- Western civilization is under threat from Muslim immigrants
    -- Western civilization is under threat from cultural Marxists
    -- Innate I.Q. differences explain racial disparities
    -- Feminism is a dangerous ideology

    Cain did not buy into the following ideas:

    -- Holocaust denial
    -- The need for a white ethnostate

    His far-right binge led Cain to:

    -- Identify as a traditional conservative committed to old-fashioned gender norms
    -- Date an evangelical Christian woman
    -- Debate liberal friends (which implies he had and retained liberal friends)

    Rejecting his far-right beliefs led Cain to:

    -- Buy a gun
    -- Start his own YouTube channel with left-wing edgy humor and memes

    Props to Roose for being specific about the beliefs of his subject and not exaggerating things. The four beliefs that Cain had seem pretty reasonable to me (depending on a couple of definitions). His resulting behavior seems positive, a girlfriend, doubts about World War T, and a viewpoint-diverse social circle. The things he rejected show that he balanced the evidence and made his own decisions. Not bad for "an aimless young man interested in video games."

    On the other hand, becoming a left-wing YouTuber and buying a Glock seem like unfortunate developments. I wish him the best. I don't think the YouTube gig is going to pay enough to support marriage to his girlfriend (if she is still around).

    Caleb Cain ? Does sound like a suspiciously fake name. Does he really exist or is he a product of the Stephen ” Broken ” Glass and Jayson Blair school of journalism.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Caleb Cain ? Does sound like a suspiciously fake name. Does he really exist or is he a product of the Stephen ” Broken ” Glass and Jayson Blair school of journalism
     
    Sounds like a stock character in an old Western. They always seemed to have a Kane, a Cade, or a Larrabee.

    However, Caleb has been in the top 50 boys' names since 1996. Real, it could be.
  60. @Anon
    The idea of analyzing a data dump of his YouTube history is pretty interesting.

    These are the four things that Roose lists as beliefs that Cain accepted after watching "far-right decentralized cult YouTube personalities":

    -- Western civilization is under threat from Muslim immigrants
    -- Western civilization is under threat from cultural Marxists
    -- Innate I.Q. differences explain racial disparities
    -- Feminism is a dangerous ideology

    Cain did not buy into the following ideas:

    -- Holocaust denial
    -- The need for a white ethnostate

    His far-right binge led Cain to:

    -- Identify as a traditional conservative committed to old-fashioned gender norms
    -- Date an evangelical Christian woman
    -- Debate liberal friends (which implies he had and retained liberal friends)

    Rejecting his far-right beliefs led Cain to:

    -- Buy a gun
    -- Start his own YouTube channel with left-wing edgy humor and memes

    Props to Roose for being specific about the beliefs of his subject and not exaggerating things. The four beliefs that Cain had seem pretty reasonable to me (depending on a couple of definitions). His resulting behavior seems positive, a girlfriend, doubts about World War T, and a viewpoint-diverse social circle. The things he rejected show that he balanced the evidence and made his own decisions. Not bad for "an aimless young man interested in video games."

    On the other hand, becoming a left-wing YouTuber and buying a Glock seem like unfortunate developments. I wish him the best. I don't think the YouTube gig is going to pay enough to support marriage to his girlfriend (if she is still around).

    Interesting level of parallels to me. One could debate whether he was truly “alt right” or just having vaguely post-Bush implosion, non-GOP right wing views coinciding with some alt-lite stuff. The former is increasingly the case for most of the right wing populace, as the GOP has become uninterested in anything except abortion, corporate welfare, tax cuts for robber barons, and losing stupid wars of choice.

    The differences are that I ended up with a Muslim lady rather than an evangelical (so, yeah, my views on Islamic immigration are more nuanced than your average poster here-or the vast majority of the media all over the political spectrum, really), and I’m still largely agnostic on the race-biology question. On a superficial level, I have always been deeply skeptical about blank slate theory because I believed in evolution, even when I was at my most left wing at about 19. But beyond that, I just don’t know enough to give a meaningful answer, like most random people. I’m not a geneticist or an evolutionary biologist. I won’t pretend to be one. On the other hand, I have views on bien-pensant UMC leftists that’d make him pee his pants and don’t take 3rd wave feminism seriously enough to even view it that way. (You ever noticed that feminism chicks are into some freaky stuff in bed?)

    Oh, and I’m just not capable of the mental contradictions necessary to believe that mass unskilled immigration of any kind is somehow in the average citizen’s interest, economically or socially. But then, I’m relying on silly things like “supply and demand” or “social cohesion”. Compared to the rigors of Vox pundits or Cato Institute lobbyists, what do I have?

  61. Google and Alphabet and YouTube must be obliterated or taxed into oblivion.

    The corporate executives of Alphabet Incorporated — and of all corporations or companies held by Alphabet Incorporated — must be financially liquidated using various legal means in order to encourage other corporate executives to behave better.

    White Core America is the only cohort which presents a rival challenge to the JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire. The Alphabet Corporation has censored and suppressed White Core Americans from speaking their minds on YouTube, and, in response to that, the Alphabet Corporation must be destroyed in all forms and permutations.

    Larry Page and Sergey Brin must be confronted for their attacks upon White Core America, and they must be financially liquidated in a legal manner.

    Alphabet Incorporated and YouTube have started a war by viciously attacking White Core America, and they will pay for their evil tenfold.

  62. Caleb Cain-Former Alt-Right Retweeted:

  63. @The Alarmist
    All that time I thought I was watching YouTube for Kat videos and bikini try-ons for the booty, I didn't realise the blued-eyed blonde babe was recruiting me to the alt-right; it was only clear after the yoga-pants try-on and that NYT article.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jJ6QqysO5c

    Too old.

    • Disagree: MEH 0910
  64. There are a lot of stories all of a sudden about reformed “alt right” people. I bought it initially but now it’s clearly a “all the cool kids are leaving” type of thing.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    Its a psyop by the powers that be.
  65. @Anonymous
    How hard would it be to create a rival platform to YouTube? YouTube itself basically started from scratch didn't it, before being bought out by Google?

    Network effect means the “build your own platform” boilerplate will never work.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
  66. @Anonymous

    At least Tucker Carlson is making an effort to address this, but he can’t do it alone. There’s a lot of work that needs to be done here, and a lot of us will have to pitch in.
     
    What, specifically, can we do to help? What is Carlson doing?

    One thing I’ve noticed is that Carlson is a crucial bridge in getting older people away from GOP doctrinaire beliefs.

    I got my father to admit that having state funded contraceptives and abortion available to people who really shouldn’t be reproducing might be wise, that Operation IRANIAN FREEDOM is a very bad idea, and that oligarchs aren’t “natural allies” of conservatism/trusts are bad. That’s all three Bushie pillars damaged, all through Carlson.

  67. @Twinkie
    Dissenters for thee, not for me.

    The flip side of free speech for me, but not for thee.

  68. @Twinkie
    Dissenters for thee, not for me.

    Punching Dissenting Up vs. Punching Dissenting Down.

  69. @Bill P
    Yeah, the alt-right is the new Tea Party. Was anyone ever a registered member of the Tea Party?

    I used to doubt the existence of the Tea Party, but people always assured me that it was a real thing that existed. Looking into it, I'm kind of skeptical.

    Where were the Tea Party offices? Where were their churches and what taverns did they meet at?

    Same with the "alt-right." It's a bunch of BS. Gays are way more cohesive than either of these supposed entities have ever been. Homosexuals took over churches, bars and entire public housing projects. Now corporations kiss their ass. Since when did that ever happen for the Tea Party or the alt-right?

    I'm pretty disappointed by right-wing efforts at building community. Maybe the problem is that a lot of right-wingers have been morally outmaneuvered because of the inherent contradictions in their philosophy. At least Tucker Carlson is making an effort to address this, but he can't do it alone. There's a lot of work that needs to be done here, and a lot of us will have to pitch in.

    “Maybe the problem is that a lot of right-wingers have been morally outmaneuvered because of the inherent contradictions in their philosophy”

    Which ones were you thinking of?

    IMHO, in this non-thinking age, inherent philosophical contradictions doom nothing. How much hindrance has the Left suffered from its many and manifest contradictions? None that I can see.

    In terms of organizing, the right suffers from having jobs, kids, mortgages and taxes = little free cash flow, little free time, lots of preexisting commitments. The Left is unemployed or fake employed, without natural children, and heavily funded by the welfare state and the quaNGO money machine = free cash flow, lots of free time, always looking for the next project.

    • Replies: @Abolish_public_education
    the right suffers from having jobs, kids, mortgages and taxes ..The Left is unemployed or fake employed .. and heavily funded by the welfare state

    In economic terms, the two political groups intersect about 50%, i.e. they’re both heavily funded by the welfare state.

    Government (especially GOP controlled, DoD) contractors are tax leeches, too. Their “workers” are fake employees. The “taxes” they “pay” are merely an accounting fiction.

    Both groups, including staff (teachers!), parents/students, and charter skool operators (see above), [tax] leech off of the public edyukashun system.

  70. @tsotha
    The problem is you can't just copy youtube. You need a payment processor, and financial institutions fold like a cheap suit when the SJWs get on them. So either you don't allow "far right" material on your youtube clone, giving nobody a reason to use your site, or you have to use a porn payment processor, meaning the playing field is tilted toward youtube before you even get started.

    Beyond that, youtube is owned by Google, so they're always going to get preferential treatment in search and they'll benefit from the Goog's endless hoard of cash.

    So it would be hard. Damn hard. Which is why the few attempts so far have failed.

    Not doubting your analysis, but some questions:

    1) What is bad about using a payment processor whose clients include porn sites?

    2) I think most of YouTube’s revenue is not from subscribers, but from advertisers, so the choke point that SJWs attack is scaring advertisers off right-friendly sites (along with the society-wide harassment of anything not sufficiently woke).

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I think most of YouTube’s revenue is not from subscribers, but from advertisers

     

    If you're not paying for it, you're not the customer. You're the product.
    , @tsotha

    1) What is bad about using a payment processor whose clients include porn sites?
     
    They charge a larger transaction fee.

    2) I think most of YouTube’s revenue is not from subscribers, but from advertisers, so the choke point that SJWs attack is scaring advertisers off right-friendly sites (along with the society-wide harassment of anything not sufficiently woke).
     
    Doesn't really matter where the revenue comes from - you still need to process payments. What will you do if banks won't touch you?
  71. @anon
    … They don’t attempt to change the minds of people posting hate or argue directly with extremists. Instead they collectively inject discussions with facts and straightforwardly argued reasonable viewpoints. The idea is to provide balance so that other social media users see that there are alternative perspectives

    Why don't nationalists or other dissidents of a feather organize and do this? There's still a lot of free exposure to be had on Twitter, other social media, and in comment sections.

    What if Richard Spencer had dedicated himself to organizing a sort of anti-defamation group like this, instead of engaging in the sort of antics he has engaged in?

    “Why don’t nationalists or other dissidents of a feather organize and do this? There’s still a lot of free exposure to be had on Twitter, other social media, and in comment sections.”

    They do, or did. What you are seeing is the ongoing effort of GloboHomo to shut such dissent down even faster and more thoroughly than ever before.

  72. @Michael S
    Depends. Do you have billions of dollars to throw away every year on a massive yet unprofitable business? If so, then pretty easy

    As far as I can tell, YouTube is quite profitable.

    That does not, however, mean that a right-tolerant competitor to YouTube would also be profitable. Specifically, the site has to be advertiser-friendly, and thanks to the SJW outrage mob and the general occupation of the cultural heights by GloboHomo, advertisers fear RealTalk.

    Best case I can imagine for a right-tolerant YouTube competitor (“RTYTC”) is that they would have to sequester the scary-to-advertiser content somehow so that advertisers wouldn’t worry about their ads showing up next to the “wrong” content.

    Arguably, RTYTCs already exist. DailyMotion hosts content that YouTube will not (at least non-French content) and RuTube does the same with non-Russian content. And probably Chinese sites likewise with non-Chinese content.

    Maybe the media future of the right is loading content everywhere but the language sphere where it applies: i.e., English on French and Russian sites, French on English and Russian sites, Russian on French and English sites, etc. Sort of like how Americans have to look at DailyMail.co.uk to see politically incorrect details about American news.

    Obviously, the Right foregoes some network benefit from this, i.e., putting your content on a Russian site means that other suggested videos are less likely to be relevant to you so you lose some collateral networking effect, but

    1) if a lot of Right wing sources put content on these sites, then they will start to recreate the lost network effect, and

    2) I’ve always wondered how much this matters anyway since most YouTube videos I see I am linked into from outside rather than accepting whatever suggestion YouTube has for me.

  73. Well, the fact that they named themselves in English rather than Russian explains who they are appealing to. Doubt any Russians would care much if the West weren’t harassing them about these rabble rousers.

  74. The NYT finally got around to reporting the Oberlin vs Gibson’s Bakery story.

    The way that they put the relevant facts into the very last paragraph is hilarious.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/10/us/oberlin-bakery-lawsuit.html

    • Replies: @El Dato
    Let's hammer it home that Muh Rights are under attack here. Gibson's should probably just choke and die:

    Floyd Abrams, a First Amendment lawyer, said the outcome represented “a double-barreled threat to free speech on campus.”

    “The notion that uninhibited student speech can lead to vast financial liability for the universities at which it occurs threatens both the viability of educational institutions and ultimately the free speech of their students,” he said on Sunday.

     

    It sounded like this was VERY uninhibited free spech off campus, but ok. Let's drive the point home AGAIN:

    Higher education institutions will likely have to balance that executive order and the verdict against Oberlin, Lynn Pasquerella, the president of the Association of American Colleges and Universities, said.

    “Oberlin was doing the very thing that the president is now mandating — they were protecting the First Amendment rights of their students,” she said. “This is very unusual for colleges and universities to be held responsible for the speech and actions of individual students, faculty and staff.”
     
    Mob attacks by non-poor students on private business, egged on and possibly started by by said faculty and staff are now "First Amendment Rights".

    Let's see the tune when the NYT tower burns.
  75. @BB753
    Pussy Riot: the quintessential sober political criticism Russia desperately needs to escape from the clutches of evil tyrant Putin!


    "Western civilization was under threat from Muslim immigrants and cultural Marxists, that innate I.Q. differences explained racial disparities, and that feminism was a dangerous ideology."

    Seems spot on to me! This reads like a parody.

    Have you guys ever wondered if one could ever become un-redpilled?

    I mean, once you’ve read about and understood the proofs for race realism and IQ differences etc., is it possible to just go back to believing normie things? How does that work?

    I’d think that some of these “former alt-right” guys are consciously lying (i.e. they want to get their jobs/social lives/etc. back), while the rest might never have fully understood the thing at all. I don’t know what the proportions are, but I’d guess the majority is in the consciously lying category.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    The truth is really pretty obvious in most cases, so the motives for the blue pilled and the formerly red pilled are effectively the same: willful, mendacious stupidity for the sake of status, moral preening, punching down and other forms of crass socially-related dopamine release.
    , @El Dato
    Cypher_discusses_his_future_with_Agent_Smith.mp4
    , @Dave Pinsen
    If I were Rosie what’s-her-name, that’s where I would have focused my questions to Katie McHugh. E.g., “You once tweeted that ‘blacks built America like cows built McDonald’s’ - now that you have repudiated your former views, can you walk us through how you came to see them as wrong? Did Hidden Figures help change your mind?”
    , @BB753
    If the guy was legitimately red-pilled, there's no turning point. He's either lying through his teeth or a genuine liberal.
    , @istevefan
    You cannot. Once you have seen, you can't unsee. It's like one of those ink blot pictures that contains an image of Christ. At first glance you can't see it. But once you notice it amongst the clutter, you can never look at again without seeing it.
    , @istevecop
    You can never spit out the red-pill once you swallow it. The only other option is to take the black pill.

    You won’t start believing in giant white racism conspiracies or that trannys are real WAMENZ. Instead you just believe that nothing can ever be done about it, and keep a sort of distant pessimism to the wider cultural and political trends around you.

    So yes, any stories of “reformed nazis/alt-right,” are most definitely media propaganda fabrication. I’d bet money on it at least.
    , @SFG
    Of course you can become un-redpilled.

    As nebulafox says down below, most people are not deep thinkers. Most people are more concerned with making a living and getting or pleasing a partner than figuring out the objectively best position on immigration restriction or tax policy so they can cast the best vote.

    A lot of people might accept the truth and just shrug and forget about it as they decide it's not immediately applicable (they might avoid living or buying a house in certain neighborhoods, but liberals have used mental workarounds for that for decades) or, perhaps more relevant, is going to get them in too much trouble to think about too hard. They're not going to risk being thought of as a 'racist' for that extra 10% in efficiency over and above the usual mental workarounds people do to avoid crimethink--it just isn't worth it.

    Also a lot of people might accept the premises of the alt-right without sharing its attitudes. They might be willing to accept a few reparations for blacks as a response to the deeply shameful American history, or be less concerned with political views than IQ when evaluating a Jewish lawyer or physician. (Do I really care about my endocrinologist' opinion on immigration?)
    , @Anonymous
    There are a lot of crazy folks in the pro-white movement though. It's a cause that attracts people with serious personal issues. It's a real problem.

    I can understand why 'normies' attracted to the cause end up repelled by the people they encounter. I don't know a solution to this.

  76. @Anonymous
    How hard would it be to create a rival platform to YouTube? YouTube itself basically started from scratch didn't it, before being bought out by Google?

    You tube was established as and is entertainment! Like Rush, Carson, Hanidy, Carvill, …..

    Why is the world fixated on social media where every tom, dick and harry can and will post what generally amounts to repackaged junk or nothing.
    Valuable diamonds of content are lost in the tailings.

    Go to established web sites with verifiable factual content.

    If you have something to say write a well researched article on the subject and it will bet posted by said sites.

    Look at all the chaff among a few kernels of wheat in the comments on this article.

    Go ahead and call me chaff 🙂

    Brutus

  77. @Anonymous
    How hard would it be to create a rival platform to YouTube? YouTube itself basically started from scratch didn't it, before being bought out by Google?

    Bitchute.

    But as other commenters have noted, the problem with a build your own you tube solution is that you tube is not profitable. Google as a whole is profitable because of keyword search and ad words and everything else (gmail, youtube, etc.) is unprofitable and subsidized by the two cash cows.

    The difficulty making money off of video is that video tends to take up a lot of storage space and a lot of bandwidth but you don’t make any more money off an ad click than you do with a regular old text-and-images page. So the profit margins aren’t there. Subscription model obviously can work in some cases (Netflix) but you need high quality content. And even with this netflix spends a lot of time optimizing compression.

    But…a few trends of note… while things like improvement in processor clock frequencies have stalled bigly I believe storage is continuing to get cheaper; storage/dollar still growing expotentially. So time will take care of that. That leaves you with the bandwidth side of the problem. I believe bitchute tries to get around this by using a peer to peer distributed model. Oddly enough, bitchute seems much more clever technologically than you tube.

    Now of course there are other difficulties like you need software to identify possible copyrighted content and deal with DMCA takedowns and pornography and all that.

    Anyway if you want to hurt youtube probably the best bet is to try to make a dent in google’s keyword search business to dry up the subsidy money rather than directly competing with YT.

  78. @The Anti-Gnostic
    Very much agreed. The same mental state that can look at XX-XY sexual dimorphism and conclude it's all this complex, fuzzy thing so Caster Semenya is a woman.

    Occam's Butter Knife, wielded in complete seriousness.

    I’m really looking forward to Reg Caesar’s anagrams of caster semenya

  79. Nice catch, Steve.

  80. @Almost Missouri
    Not doubting your analysis, but some questions:

    1) What is bad about using a payment processor whose clients include porn sites?

    2) I think most of YouTube's revenue is not from subscribers, but from advertisers, so the choke point that SJWs attack is scaring advertisers off right-friendly sites (along with the society-wide harassment of anything not sufficiently woke).

    I think most of YouTube’s revenue is not from subscribers, but from advertisers

    If you’re not paying for it, you’re not the customer. You’re the product.

  81. @Achmed E. Newman
    Steve, the NY Times has been a joke for a few decades, I'm sure, but you've got people thinking this one is a 10 year long running joke. Change that top date to 2019.

    BTW, I clicked on the NY Times article just this one time (to make sure I was right in correcting your date error). Man, the bullshit is really fresh and thick with these people, from paragraph one on. Oh, the guy threw his Glock (of course, because the NY Times doesn't know any other brands) and the magazine on the kitchen counter he'd been carrying because of those internet trolls ... give me a break- first sentence people, and I needed a break already!

    Skimming through it, I saw that the BS doesn't quit for a minute - the article must conform to all current narratives ...

    Great juxtaposition, Steve. It's like what Matt Drudge did, when I read his site, but with whole articles, not just headlines.

    I guess I should take it more seriously when my 7 y/o boy comes home from school with a paper with "What would you like to be when you grow up?" filled in by him with "A youtuber.", haha! Is he already a dissident searching for truth, or is he being brainwashed by evil people? Let's see, he's in America, not Russia, so I guess the latter. Can you get brainwashed by those crazy cat videos that pretty much support the entire internet (OK pussy/cat videos ...).

    IIRC the internet did start out as DARPA – Defence Advanced Research Pussy Agency. Top secret stuff, so not clear what kind of pussy mandate it was. Possibly/probably both meanings, IMO.

  82. @Verymuchalive
    Caleb Cain ? Does sound like a suspiciously fake name. Does he really exist or is he a product of the Stephen " Broken " Glass and Jayson Blair school of journalism.

    Caleb Cain ? Does sound like a suspiciously fake name. Does he really exist or is he a product of the Stephen ” Broken ” Glass and Jayson Blair school of journalism

    Sounds like a stock character in an old Western. They always seemed to have a Kane, a Cade, or a Larrabee.

    However, Caleb has been in the top 50 boys’ names since 1996. Real, it could be.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
    " Hell, Kincade " ( John Wayne circa 1965 ), you could well be right.
  83. @The Wild Geese Howard
    If the anecdotal evidence can be believed, Lauren Southern's entire alt-right career was motivated out of spite towards a high school brown boyfriend that pumped and dumped her.

    Brown like me brown or black? Isn’t she infamous for “hanging out” around blacks. Would not surprise me

  84. @reiner Tor
    Have you guys ever wondered if one could ever become un-redpilled?

    I mean, once you've read about and understood the proofs for race realism and IQ differences etc., is it possible to just go back to believing normie things? How does that work?

    I'd think that some of these "former alt-right" guys are consciously lying (i.e. they want to get their jobs/social lives/etc. back), while the rest might never have fully understood the thing at all. I don't know what the proportions are, but I'd guess the majority is in the consciously lying category.

    The truth is really pretty obvious in most cases, so the motives for the blue pilled and the formerly red pilled are effectively the same: willful, mendacious stupidity for the sake of status, moral preening, punching down and other forms of crass socially-related dopamine release.

  85. @anon
    … They don’t attempt to change the minds of people posting hate or argue directly with extremists. Instead they collectively inject discussions with facts and straightforwardly argued reasonable viewpoints. The idea is to provide balance so that other social media users see that there are alternative perspectives

    Why don't nationalists or other dissidents of a feather organize and do this? There's still a lot of free exposure to be had on Twitter, other social media, and in comment sections.

    What if Richard Spencer had dedicated himself to organizing a sort of anti-defamation group like this, instead of engaging in the sort of antics he has engaged in?

    Richard Spencer glows in the dark

  86. @The Wild Geese Howard
    If the anecdotal evidence can be believed, Lauren Southern's entire alt-right career was motivated out of spite towards a high school brown boyfriend that pumped and dumped her.

    Nah, she’s just a grifter.

    The HS boyfriend looks mixed. Supposedly, he’s half something or the other, but definitelybhe’s got some nonwhite ancestry.

  87. @bomag

    Her husband is from Uganda
     
    LOL. I thought maybe he was launching anti-gay slurs all day long, so she was doing something about that.

    No, she's part of #GermanyTooWhite. I'm waiting for the day someone launches #UgandaTooBlack.

    No, she’s part of #GermanyTooWhite. I’m waiting for the day someone launches #UgandaTooBlack

    Better yet, #UgandaTooStraight.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Homosexuality is rampant in Africa.

    Why do you think HIV/AIDS is so prevalent?
  88. @reiner Tor
    Have you guys ever wondered if one could ever become un-redpilled?

    I mean, once you've read about and understood the proofs for race realism and IQ differences etc., is it possible to just go back to believing normie things? How does that work?

    I'd think that some of these "former alt-right" guys are consciously lying (i.e. they want to get their jobs/social lives/etc. back), while the rest might never have fully understood the thing at all. I don't know what the proportions are, but I'd guess the majority is in the consciously lying category.

    Cypher_discusses_his_future_with_Agent_Smith.mp4

  89. @Reg Cæsar

    Caleb Cain ? Does sound like a suspiciously fake name. Does he really exist or is he a product of the Stephen ” Broken ” Glass and Jayson Blair school of journalism
     
    Sounds like a stock character in an old Western. They always seemed to have a Kane, a Cade, or a Larrabee.

    However, Caleb has been in the top 50 boys' names since 1996. Real, it could be.

    ” Hell, Kincade ” ( John Wayne circa 1965 ), you could well be right.

  90. @jimmyriddle
    The NYT finally got around to reporting the Oberlin vs Gibson's Bakery story.

    The way that they put the relevant facts into the very last paragraph is hilarious.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/10/us/oberlin-bakery-lawsuit.html

    Let’s hammer it home that Muh Rights are under attack here. Gibson’s should probably just choke and die:

    Floyd Abrams, a First Amendment lawyer, said the outcome represented “a double-barreled threat to free speech on campus.”

    “The notion that uninhibited student speech can lead to vast financial liability for the universities at which it occurs threatens both the viability of educational institutions and ultimately the free speech of their students,” he said on Sunday.

    It sounded like this was VERY uninhibited free spech off campus, but ok. Let’s drive the point home AGAIN:

    Higher education institutions will likely have to balance that executive order and the verdict against Oberlin, Lynn Pasquerella, the president of the Association of American Colleges and Universities, said.

    “Oberlin was doing the very thing that the president is now mandating — they were protecting the First Amendment rights of their students,” she said. “This is very unusual for colleges and universities to be held responsible for the speech and actions of individual students, faculty and staff.”

    Mob attacks by non-poor students on private business, egged on and possibly started by by said faculty and staff are now “First Amendment Rights”.

    Let’s see the tune when the NYT tower burns.

  91. anon[148] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Hilarious. That the Times is so cluelessly contradictory tells us that they really are losing control. This is really fun to watch.
     
    What is the contradiction?

    “The entire social, political part of television is controlled by the authorities (the Democratic/Progressive establishment),” said Leonid G. Parfenov, an independent news anchor who has been shut out of state TV since 2004 for being too critical of the government. “For that reason, you cannot consider this television journalism — it is just propaganda, they are just employees of the presidential administration.”

    Wreckers of the SJW narrative are largely persona non grata in the MSM and instead are being heard on YouTube. Now, the witch hunt against the wreckers is being ramped up and more and more of them are being banished to the Goolag Archipelago. NYT approves of this. But they also approve of Russian dissidents having platforms for their views on Russian YT channels.

  92. @Mike1
    There are a lot of stories all of a sudden about reformed "alt right" people. I bought it initially but now it's clearly a "all the cool kids are leaving" type of thing.

    Its a psyop by the powers that be.

  93. PSR says:

    This isn’t really an inconsistency. The NYT is now little more than a propaganda organ of the left: recent hiring of an anti-white racist, jew-baiting cartoons and vilification of such common sense conservatives as Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro and Milton Friedman. Meanwhile, the Russian state successfully messed with the amateurish democrat presidential campaign of 2016 so they are an enemy. It’s been a l-0-n-g time since the Times was a “news” paper.

  94. @Almost Missouri

    "Maybe the problem is that a lot of right-wingers have been morally outmaneuvered because of the inherent contradictions in their philosophy"
     
    Which ones were you thinking of?

    IMHO, in this non-thinking age, inherent philosophical contradictions doom nothing. How much hindrance has the Left suffered from its many and manifest contradictions? None that I can see.

    In terms of organizing, the right suffers from having jobs, kids, mortgages and taxes = little free cash flow, little free time, lots of preexisting commitments. The Left is unemployed or fake employed, without natural children, and heavily funded by the welfare state and the quaNGO money machine = free cash flow, lots of free time, always looking for the next project.

    the right suffers from having jobs, kids, mortgages and taxes ..The Left is unemployed or fake employed .. and heavily funded by the welfare state

    In economic terms, the two political groups intersect about 50%, i.e. they’re both heavily funded by the welfare state.

    Government (especially GOP controlled, DoD) contractors are tax leeches, too. Their “workers” are fake employees. The “taxes” they “pay” are merely an accounting fiction.

    Both groups, including staff (teachers!), parents/students, and charter skool operators (see above), [tax] leech off of the public edyukashun system.

  95. @reiner Tor
    Have you guys ever wondered if one could ever become un-redpilled?

    I mean, once you've read about and understood the proofs for race realism and IQ differences etc., is it possible to just go back to believing normie things? How does that work?

    I'd think that some of these "former alt-right" guys are consciously lying (i.e. they want to get their jobs/social lives/etc. back), while the rest might never have fully understood the thing at all. I don't know what the proportions are, but I'd guess the majority is in the consciously lying category.

    If I were Rosie what’s-her-name, that’s where I would have focused my questions to Katie McHugh. E.g., “You once tweeted that ‘blacks built America like cows built McDonald’s’ – now that you have repudiated your former views, can you walk us through how you came to see them as wrong? Did Hidden Figures help change your mind?”

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    I guess the journalist talking to her wasn't really interested in the whole thing, for her it might've been incomprehensible how she became a badthinker in the first place.

    I can easily imagine someone believing that blacks have the same innate abilities as whites - I more or less used to believe it myself. But how can you unlearn it, after having read all the contrary evidence? That's just incomprehensible to me.

    One explanation might be that these "ex-alt-right" people never really understood the evidence, so they held those opinions without much evidence. Due to some quirk or some unique circumstances, he might have absorbed the "alt-right" point of view without really understanding what it's based on, and then kept regurgitating it, until, due to some change in personal circumstances (like a new girlfriend) he started to absorb another point of view (again, without much thinking), and started regurgitating it.

    I still don't understand it much. If you don't think much about these things, then wouldn't just absorbing the socially accepted normal point of view make the most sense? How could someone become "alt-right" without thinking a lot about it? Are there pockets in our society where the "alt-right" is the default position, which unthinking people just absorb?
  96. @Reg Cæsar

    No, she’s part of #GermanyTooWhite. I’m waiting for the day someone launches #UgandaTooBlack
     
    Better yet, #UgandaTooStraight.

    Homosexuality is rampant in Africa.

    Why do you think HIV/AIDS is so prevalent?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Homosexuality is rampant in Africa.
     
    Not support for it. They're not that sick.

    Why do you think HIV/AIDS is so prevalent?
     
    Because they take it home to their wives. Who give it to their newborns.

    Let's just say their "homosexuality" is... nuanced.
  97. @anon
    … They don’t attempt to change the minds of people posting hate or argue directly with extremists. Instead they collectively inject discussions with facts and straightforwardly argued reasonable viewpoints. The idea is to provide balance so that other social media users see that there are alternative perspectives

    Why don't nationalists or other dissidents of a feather organize and do this? There's still a lot of free exposure to be had on Twitter, other social media, and in comment sections.

    What if Richard Spencer had dedicated himself to organizing a sort of anti-defamation group like this, instead of engaging in the sort of antics he has engaged in?

    Courageous truth speaking is called “being a troll” when someone on the Right does it.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    Yeah, or even better, being a “sperg” (and, therefore, somehow ‘bad’). Usually so called by someone on the right who likes to imagine that his moral cowardice makes him superior.
  98. @Thulean Friend
    No joke, Sailer. It is simply Jewish censorship. The parallells to the early Days of the radio is striking. The most popular radio host was Father Coughlin, a national-populist who was stridently against any involvement of the US in WWII.

    The major radio corporations, mostly run by jews, shut him down. Youtube and Google are both run by jews and the NYT is also run by jews. You add a lobby group like ADL which has been pushing for censorship for years now and it is a perfect analogy to what happened back then.

    The main difference is that you had powerful goyim like Henry Ford and others who pushed back. Today we have craven merchants like Bezos who is nothing but a servant of the system. Musk is silent even as his own people get butchered in South Africa, so expecting him to say or do anything is also fanciful, despite his libertarian streak.


    What we're facing is simply a massive jewish assault on freedom of speech, just as we did with radio in the 1930s.

    “Musk is silent even as his own people get butchered in South Africa, so expecting him to say or do anything is also fanciful, despite his libertarian streak.”

    Thulean Friend, one thing that Elon does “say”:

    I recorded this 3 days back. Usually the Tesla flag flies on the Left, North-most pole. But June, as we all have been forced to become aware, is now a special month.

  99. A ‘radical’ is of course a leftist, the equivalent on the right being ‘reactionary.’

    So the title of the piece, ‘The Making of a Youtube Radical,’ is accurate, if unintentionally so.

    There’s room to move in denazification, Caleb! Keep up the good work, comrade.

  100. @reiner Tor
    Have you guys ever wondered if one could ever become un-redpilled?

    I mean, once you've read about and understood the proofs for race realism and IQ differences etc., is it possible to just go back to believing normie things? How does that work?

    I'd think that some of these "former alt-right" guys are consciously lying (i.e. they want to get their jobs/social lives/etc. back), while the rest might never have fully understood the thing at all. I don't know what the proportions are, but I'd guess the majority is in the consciously lying category.

    If the guy was legitimately red-pilled, there’s no turning point. He’s either lying through his teeth or a genuine liberal.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    A lot of people like to follow the strong horse. The dissidents criticizing the absurdly incompetent/snobbish ruling class are still very much the strong horse.

    But the ruling class has created an intellectual dark web/alt-lite morality play/LARP where they get to beat up on the bad guys. Some people like the guy in this article fall for it.
    , @Anonymous

    If the guy was legitimately red-pilled, there’s no turning point. He’s either lying through his teeth or a genuine liberal.
     
    What makes you think there's no turning point?
  101. @El Dato
    Getting bullwhipped by Cossacks for no good reason except the privilege of a juvenile stunt is not very productive.

    https://youtu.be/FFrZfluKDrc

    Getting bullwhipped by Cossacks for no good reason except the privilege of a juvenile stunt is not very productive.

    Oh no, quite to the contrary, it’s great for producing quality entertainment!! I mean, not exactly the intended entertainment, but still…

  102. @Hypnotoad666
    Courageous truth speaking is called "being a troll" when someone on the Right does it.

    Yeah, or even better, being a “sperg” (and, therefore, somehow ‘bad’). Usually so called by someone on the right who likes to imagine that his moral cowardice makes him superior.

  103. Here, to my mind, is the money quote from this garbage NYT article:

    But critics and independent researchers say YouTube has inadvertently created a dangerous on-ramp to extremism by combining two things: a business model that rewards provocative videos with exposure and advertising dollars, and an algorithm that guides users down personalized paths meant to keep them glued to their screens.

    The problem, you see, is that YouTube is giving people what they want and allowing them to follow their own “personalized path.” We can’t have that!

    As usual, the NYT is all-in for a revanchist program that puts people like them back in control of the information people are allowed to see.

  104. @Dave Pinsen
    If I were Rosie what’s-her-name, that’s where I would have focused my questions to Katie McHugh. E.g., “You once tweeted that ‘blacks built America like cows built McDonald’s’ - now that you have repudiated your former views, can you walk us through how you came to see them as wrong? Did Hidden Figures help change your mind?”

    I guess the journalist talking to her wasn’t really interested in the whole thing, for her it might’ve been incomprehensible how she became a badthinker in the first place.

    I can easily imagine someone believing that blacks have the same innate abilities as whites – I more or less used to believe it myself. But how can you unlearn it, after having read all the contrary evidence? That’s just incomprehensible to me.

    One explanation might be that these “ex-alt-right” people never really understood the evidence, so they held those opinions without much evidence. Due to some quirk or some unique circumstances, he might have absorbed the “alt-right” point of view without really understanding what it’s based on, and then kept regurgitating it, until, due to some change in personal circumstances (like a new girlfriend) he started to absorb another point of view (again, without much thinking), and started regurgitating it.

    I still don’t understand it much. If you don’t think much about these things, then wouldn’t just absorbing the socially accepted normal point of view make the most sense? How could someone become “alt-right” without thinking a lot about it? Are there pockets in our society where the “alt-right” is the default position, which unthinking people just absorb?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Sure, if the alt- is to watching Biden give Ryan a wedgie then thinking “we need to make THAT guy Speaker of the House ASAP. That was the Right we had when the alt-Right emerged.

    Much of the alt-Right was about re-discovering basic truths about human nature and social dynamics which had been forgotten/suppressed by the ruling class Right.
    , @nebulafox
    >Due to some quirk or some unique circumstances, he might have absorbed the “alt-right” point of view without really understanding what it’s based on, and then kept regurgitating it, until, due to some change in personal circumstances (like a new girlfriend) he started to absorb another point of view (again, without much thinking), and started regurgitating it.

    I think this is a big part of it: most people just aren't very deep thinkers and will eventually absorb what they just happen to stumble across. I myself am unfortunately in this category, and that's something I'm going to try and change.

    But I also think it is more subtle than outright social intimidation. There are a lot of guys on the alt-right that don't have friends, career prospects, lovers, much of a future life in general to go back to, no matter how ardently they "redeem" themselves, and they know it. Social stigma has little meaningful impact for somebody with no social capital and little concrete prospect of gaining any. I don't think this guy is quite that bad off, but his life doesn't seem like a particularly happy, successful one in which he stands to lose a lot. Obviously, if we were talking about some L5 dude at Google on the down-low, it'd be another story.

    (Perhaps because they largely consist of the types of people who've never struggled to attain social connections, the MSM is comically bad at understanding this dynamic, hence their belief that yelling "SHAME" at ever higher decibels is going to eventually do the trick.)

    I believe that it is more whether he genuinely feels like he's a good person. This can be especially important if you are a guy with not a lot going for you in life and you want to turn it all around, as I suspect this guy might be: if you think you are genuinely scum on top of that, you are going to have a really tough time focusing on improving yourself. It messes with your brain processes. There's a lot of people out there all too willing to conflate favoring restriction immigration numbers with actually *hating* immigrants, or a willingness to be open to the idea that IQ has a biological component with *hating* different races, or a belief that women are deeply different from men with *hating* women, or whatever. I think the more perspective/intelligent people who comment here (Twinkie, PhysicistDave, LTC, among others) show that this is utter nonsense. But there's no question that the "real" white supremacist contingent on the alt-right, among other undesirables (incels, Holocaust deniers, that kind of thing), definitely helps confirm that in the eyes of the masses, and as I alluded to, most people aren't particularly deep thinkers, much of our ruling classes included. As an analogy, most humans aren't wired to be Origen or Avicenna, bent to justify the faith, most are oriented to accept the faith and not question the details too much, while their day-to-day practice is rather hit or miss depending on the circumstances.

    The desire to genuinely believe you are a decent person can be very powerful. More powerful than the desire to actually be one, for that matter. To wax Joachim Fest for a bit, lot of the absolute worst movements in history had, at their core, that very dangerous kind of person with a strong but directionless craving for morality.

  105. @reiner Tor
    Have you guys ever wondered if one could ever become un-redpilled?

    I mean, once you've read about and understood the proofs for race realism and IQ differences etc., is it possible to just go back to believing normie things? How does that work?

    I'd think that some of these "former alt-right" guys are consciously lying (i.e. they want to get their jobs/social lives/etc. back), while the rest might never have fully understood the thing at all. I don't know what the proportions are, but I'd guess the majority is in the consciously lying category.

    You cannot. Once you have seen, you can’t unsee. It’s like one of those ink blot pictures that contains an image of Christ. At first glance you can’t see it. But once you notice it amongst the clutter, you can never look at again without seeing it.

    • Replies: @Henry's Cat
    How about a Gestalt switch?
    , @Anonymous

    At first glance you can’t see it. But once you notice it amongst the clutter, you can never look at again without seeing it.
     
    What would you describe this "it" as being?
  106. @El Dato
    Getting bullwhipped by Cossacks for no good reason except the privilege of a juvenile stunt is not very productive.

    https://youtu.be/FFrZfluKDrc

    Vice refers to this as a “mini-pogrom” at about 1 min 30 sec.

  107. @The Alarmist
    All that time I thought I was watching YouTube for Kat videos and bikini try-ons for the booty, I didn't realise the blued-eyed blonde babe was recruiting me to the alt-right; it was only clear after the yoga-pants try-on and that NYT article.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jJ6QqysO5c

    I’m now listening to Peter Schiff hammer the crap out of the Federal Reserve while watching that lady from the yoga pants video try on thongs.

    In 1968 The Doors were screaming about The End, they were off by about 50 years.

    Schiff calls quantitative easing a monetary roach motel — the Fed could check in but they can’t check out.

    Schiff goes on about his prediction that there would be more quantitative easings than Rocky movies.

    I don’t want to see Janet Yellen in a thong, thank you very much.

    Federal funds rate is now at 2.5 percent and they’re talking about cutting again.

    Yellen was talking about 4 percent as the new normal federal funds rate, and then Powell started talking about neutral rate crud. The bastards at the Federal Reserve Bank are calling it quits at 2.5 percent!

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Yellen was talking about 4 percent as the new normal federal funds rate, and then Powell started talking about neutral rate crud. The bastards at the Federal Reserve Bank are calling it quits at 2.5 percent!
     
    Where do you think rates should be?
  108. @Anon
    Homosexuality is rampant in Africa.

    Why do you think HIV/AIDS is so prevalent?

    Homosexuality is rampant in Africa.

    Not support for it. They’re not that sick.

    Why do you think HIV/AIDS is so prevalent?

    Because they take it home to their wives. Who give it to their newborns.

    Let’s just say their “homosexuality” is… nuanced.

  109. @The Alarmist
    All that time I thought I was watching YouTube for Kat videos and bikini try-ons for the booty, I didn't realise the blued-eyed blonde babe was recruiting me to the alt-right; it was only clear after the yoga-pants try-on and that NYT article.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jJ6QqysO5c

    The lady who tries on yoga pants and thongs is good fun!

    She does a cat scratch thing when she tries on the leopard print thong.

    I’d rather have a fling with that thong lady than Theresa May and her leopard print shoes — most political experts would agree with me.

    • LOL: The Alarmist
  110. @Jack Hanson
    Imagine having the high ground in every single cultural institution and this is the best psyop you can do.

    They don’t have the high ground so much as a poorly constructed sniper tower.

  111. @istevefan
    You cannot. Once you have seen, you can't unsee. It's like one of those ink blot pictures that contains an image of Christ. At first glance you can't see it. But once you notice it amongst the clutter, you can never look at again without seeing it.

    How about a Gestalt switch?

  112. @reiner Tor
    I guess the journalist talking to her wasn't really interested in the whole thing, for her it might've been incomprehensible how she became a badthinker in the first place.

    I can easily imagine someone believing that blacks have the same innate abilities as whites - I more or less used to believe it myself. But how can you unlearn it, after having read all the contrary evidence? That's just incomprehensible to me.

    One explanation might be that these "ex-alt-right" people never really understood the evidence, so they held those opinions without much evidence. Due to some quirk or some unique circumstances, he might have absorbed the "alt-right" point of view without really understanding what it's based on, and then kept regurgitating it, until, due to some change in personal circumstances (like a new girlfriend) he started to absorb another point of view (again, without much thinking), and started regurgitating it.

    I still don't understand it much. If you don't think much about these things, then wouldn't just absorbing the socially accepted normal point of view make the most sense? How could someone become "alt-right" without thinking a lot about it? Are there pockets in our society where the "alt-right" is the default position, which unthinking people just absorb?

    Sure, if the alt- is to watching Biden give Ryan a wedgie then thinking “we need to make THAT guy Speaker of the House ASAP. That was the Right we had when the alt-Right emerged.

    Much of the alt-Right was about re-discovering basic truths about human nature and social dynamics which had been forgotten/suppressed by the ruling class Right.

  113. @BB753
    If the guy was legitimately red-pilled, there's no turning point. He's either lying through his teeth or a genuine liberal.

    A lot of people like to follow the strong horse. The dissidents criticizing the absurdly incompetent/snobbish ruling class are still very much the strong horse.

    But the ruling class has created an intellectual dark web/alt-lite morality play/LARP where they get to beat up on the bad guys. Some people like the guy in this article fall for it.

  114. @reiner Tor
    I guess the journalist talking to her wasn't really interested in the whole thing, for her it might've been incomprehensible how she became a badthinker in the first place.

    I can easily imagine someone believing that blacks have the same innate abilities as whites - I more or less used to believe it myself. But how can you unlearn it, after having read all the contrary evidence? That's just incomprehensible to me.

    One explanation might be that these "ex-alt-right" people never really understood the evidence, so they held those opinions without much evidence. Due to some quirk or some unique circumstances, he might have absorbed the "alt-right" point of view without really understanding what it's based on, and then kept regurgitating it, until, due to some change in personal circumstances (like a new girlfriend) he started to absorb another point of view (again, without much thinking), and started regurgitating it.

    I still don't understand it much. If you don't think much about these things, then wouldn't just absorbing the socially accepted normal point of view make the most sense? How could someone become "alt-right" without thinking a lot about it? Are there pockets in our society where the "alt-right" is the default position, which unthinking people just absorb?

    >Due to some quirk or some unique circumstances, he might have absorbed the “alt-right” point of view without really understanding what it’s based on, and then kept regurgitating it, until, due to some change in personal circumstances (like a new girlfriend) he started to absorb another point of view (again, without much thinking), and started regurgitating it.

    I think this is a big part of it: most people just aren’t very deep thinkers and will eventually absorb what they just happen to stumble across. I myself am unfortunately in this category, and that’s something I’m going to try and change.

    But I also think it is more subtle than outright social intimidation. There are a lot of guys on the alt-right that don’t have friends, career prospects, lovers, much of a future life in general to go back to, no matter how ardently they “redeem” themselves, and they know it. Social stigma has little meaningful impact for somebody with no social capital and little concrete prospect of gaining any. I don’t think this guy is quite that bad off, but his life doesn’t seem like a particularly happy, successful one in which he stands to lose a lot. Obviously, if we were talking about some L5 dude at Google on the down-low, it’d be another story.

    (Perhaps because they largely consist of the types of people who’ve never struggled to attain social connections, the MSM is comically bad at understanding this dynamic, hence their belief that yelling “SHAME” at ever higher decibels is going to eventually do the trick.)

    I believe that it is more whether he genuinely feels like he’s a good person. This can be especially important if you are a guy with not a lot going for you in life and you want to turn it all around, as I suspect this guy might be: if you think you are genuinely scum on top of that, you are going to have a really tough time focusing on improving yourself. It messes with your brain processes. There’s a lot of people out there all too willing to conflate favoring restriction immigration numbers with actually *hating* immigrants, or a willingness to be open to the idea that IQ has a biological component with *hating* different races, or a belief that women are deeply different from men with *hating* women, or whatever. I think the more perspective/intelligent people who comment here (Twinkie, PhysicistDave, LTC, among others) show that this is utter nonsense. But there’s no question that the “real” white supremacist contingent on the alt-right, among other undesirables (incels, Holocaust deniers, that kind of thing), definitely helps confirm that in the eyes of the masses, and as I alluded to, most people aren’t particularly deep thinkers, much of our ruling classes included. As an analogy, most humans aren’t wired to be Origen or Avicenna, bent to justify the faith, most are oriented to accept the faith and not question the details too much, while their day-to-day practice is rather hit or miss depending on the circumstances.

    The desire to genuinely believe you are a decent person can be very powerful. More powerful than the desire to actually be one, for that matter. To wax Joachim Fest for a bit, lot of the absolute worst movements in history had, at their core, that very dangerous kind of person with a strong but directionless craving for morality.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Don't make it too complicated.

    Alt Right figures are being deplatformed, blackballed from mainstream society, and driven to the financial ruin.

    They're scared and they want to go back to their old boring middle-class lives, pre-Alt Right.

    So they feed all sorts of BS to the media about how they "changed." Hopefully, after all that, their old employer will rehire them and they can go back to how things used to be.

    I'd also say that many Alt Right figures (like Lauren Southern) are grifters. With the money drying up (due to pay services boycotting them), they want to move on to their next con. Roosh, for example, has transitioned from Alt Right PUA to Christian preacher.

    It's not about what they believe. It's about making a living.
    , @L Woods
    Ah yes. Even the Bad People have their own subset of self-imagined Good People. There’s just no escaping it.
  115. @Anonymous
    https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-48462190

    A network of tens of thousands of online volunteers is fighting hate speech on Facebook.

    ... every day Nina opens up Facebook and heads straight to the closed group #IchBinHier ("#IAmHere").

    ... They don't attempt to change the minds of people posting hate or argue directly with extremists. Instead they collectively inject discussions with facts and straightforwardly argued reasonable viewpoints. The idea is to provide balance so that other social media users see that there are alternative perspectives beyond the ones offered up by the trolls.
     
    There are alternative perspectives to the ones being suppressed? Did you know that?

    ... Facebook has provided #IAmHere groups with free advertising credits and helps them organise meet-ups as part of its Online Civil Courage Initiative.

    ... Nina, 39, says she spends around three hours a day moderating comments on top of her full-time job as director of an NGO. But she has very personal reasons for devoting a large chunk of her busy schedule to the campaign.

    Her husband is from Uganda
     

    … Nina, 39, says she spends around three hours a day moderating comments on top of her full-time job as director of an NGO. But she has very personal reasons for devoting a large chunk of her busy schedule to the campaign.

    Her husband is from Uganda

    Whiskey is owning this thread–without even posting. White men will not save their nations unless the are willing to read the riot act to white women.

    Nina has defected. She is now the property of some Ugandan tribe and she and her “husband” need to be expelled from Germany and sent there. Until white men are willing to be clear and hard about this, there is no salvation.

    ~~

    And again the simple winning idea–separation.

    If Nina wants to worship her Ugandan penis in a rainbow hued globotopia … great. Let them set one up with like minded loons.

    But these virtue signalling globo-loons have no right to make the rest of live that way–to wreck our nations.

    Keep pushing this point. These people are totalitarian nation-wrecking thugs plain and simple.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    I will act against my better judgement and go all Whiskey (I hope his absence is proof that he's finally getting laid and leaving his hatred of women behind) here for a bit.

    I wonder what would happen to debates on immigration if Western governments decided to fight the patriarchy in addition to not letting The Crops Rot and The Margins Crimp... by importing women in their 20s and 30s exclusively. The immigrant ladies are going to be well aware that their best chance of ensuring citizenship-and a better future for their kids-is wedding a local man, so they'll be pulling out all the stops to nab one. And in the United States, at least, they likely will leave American women-at least in the bottom sector of the dating market-in the dust in just about every way you could imagine.

    Don't let the idiot white nationalist crowd fool you. Your average "beta" guy who is functional but loses in the modern American dating market during his 20s because he's not particularly compelling and his not-particularly-compelling woman counterpart can date upwards is going to prefer a woman of Nigerian origin who is visibly ready to treat him like *her* man and build a mutually supportive, respectful life with him. What's his other option? A white American chick who is visibly settling for him after many years of being the booty call of various down-on-their-luck "alphas" and who brings an attitude of "entertain me, peasant, you should be grateful" on the first date? Easy choice.

    Cue the men bringing out the "WELCOME" signs.

    Cue the women whipping out the protest signs when men start quitting online dating apps en masse in favor of volunteering at the local refugee center.

    (I personally think the whole alpha/beta thing is overdone by the manosphere-social status is verrrrrry context dependent and nowhere near as bifurcated-but let's just use it for the sake of ease. And the overwhelming majority of people, men and women alike, eventually settle, so there's nothing wrong with that in and of itself: most people are, by definition, a standard deviation away from average, so they end up with average mates. But people have their limits, and in an age where you can see all the fun you aren't having and online dating makes for a particularly open display of raw human nature, a lot of guys are being pushed beyond theirs.

    And that's not good. When men decide they aren't going to bother in courtship, they typically decide not to bother with other things, too. And unless you are dealing with an Isaac Newton figure-and that is the type of guy is likely more productive and happier on his own anyway-that's typically not good for society as a whole.)

  116. Anon[770] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m really interested in how Cain did a 180 on the belief “that innate I.Q. differences explained racial disparities.” This is usually a one-way ratchet: One you see the light, you never go back.

    In the case of William Saletan, I think he is a combination of trying ot walk-back a case of potential career suicide, socially and culturally not wanting to hang with “race realists,” and obfuscation about what he believes on the factual stuff with a touchie feelie layer.

    Maybe Cain just walked back the “innate” part, feeling like Turkheimer and company that the gap is wholely or predominantly environmental. Maybe he thinks that a big part of disproportionate representation in high level jobs is a combination of a cognitive gap and discrimination, not solely the former.

    Most people who do not believe “that innate I.Q. differences explained racial disparities” won’t even discuss it and don’t want to hear any facts. That state can only survive in the absense of understanding. Once you learn about it, you cannot unsee it. If Cain is engaging with people online on YouTube, I’d be interested in hearing him on this subject.

  117. @Thulean Friend
    No joke, Sailer. It is simply Jewish censorship. The parallells to the early Days of the radio is striking. The most popular radio host was Father Coughlin, a national-populist who was stridently against any involvement of the US in WWII.

    The major radio corporations, mostly run by jews, shut him down. Youtube and Google are both run by jews and the NYT is also run by jews. You add a lobby group like ADL which has been pushing for censorship for years now and it is a perfect analogy to what happened back then.

    The main difference is that you had powerful goyim like Henry Ford and others who pushed back. Today we have craven merchants like Bezos who is nothing but a servant of the system. Musk is silent even as his own people get butchered in South Africa, so expecting him to say or do anything is also fanciful, despite his libertarian streak.


    What we're facing is simply a massive jewish assault on freedom of speech, just as we did with radio in the 1930s.

    Whites are more effete these days. Easier to watch tv and play on your smartphone, rather than get involved in politics and get ostracized for non-PC statements.

    Also, Whites are much more atomized and individualistic, so they don’t feel much connection to their race (or one another).

  118. Anon[770] • Disclaimer says:
    @Cloudbuster
    On the other hand, becoming a left-wing YouTuber and buying a Glock seem like unfortunate developments.

    There's nothing unfortunate about exercising your first and second amendment rights.

    On the other hand, becoming a left-wing YouTuber and buying a Glock seem like unfortunate developments.

    There’s nothing unfortunate about exercising your first and second amendment rights.

    My point was that he was an aimless, broke young man. He needs to pull himself together and get a job and a relationship.

    YouTube is a time sinkhole that only is a living for a small minority, and even for them you’re a sharecropper on someone else’s platform. Google changes the rules on income all the time. The Panda algorithm update and various AdSense changes have put many websites out of business, and that is even before the censorship problems. YouTube is not a career.

    As for guns, I have not problem with owning a Glock or 20. But he bought one based on fear of online death threats, which indicate a certain level of paranoia. When people threaten to kill you online, your odds of being killed have increased about 0.00001 percent, the odds of being hit by a meterorite, and mentally healthy people understand that. And there was nothing in the article about his having trained with the weopon. I want lots of people to own lots of guns, but not him. He sounds like a nut.

  119. This Sputnik & Pogrom video arguing that Russians experienced a Bolshevik genocide, and suggesting that it promote it like Jews promote the Holocaust, was initially censored by YouTube and a bunch of stuff had to be cut out.

    So actually even with respect to Russian free speech, Google only really wants to promote and tolerate various pseudo-liberals, Western darlings, and other non-entities.

  120. It’s possible for the right to be radicalized and dangerous, but not possible for the left to become radicalized and dangerous: Marcuse would’ve made a great reporter for the NYT.

    Conspiracy theories:
    -The Rosenbergs were innocent.
    -Rosenbergs persecuted because they were Jewish (tho’ prosecutor and judge were Jewish.)
    -The King Alfred Plan
    -AIDS was invented or propagated by whites to kill blacks.
    -A cure for AIDS was avoided to kill gays.
    -There was no infiltration of the US gov. by Soviet agents in the 40’s and 50’s
    -McCarthy blacklisted Hollywood communists
    -Trump colluded with the Russians
    -The cult of Hitler reigns supreme, as the right today is a consumed with white supremacism or Nazism or Neo Nazi. The Hitler of the 1940’s never dreamed he would capture the hearts and minds of his arch enemy – the USA – to the extent that he has in 2019, almost 75 years after his death.
    -And finally, the left has no conspiracy theories. They mostly happen on the right.

    • Replies: @Hail

    the left has no conspiracy theories
     
    The whole Trump-Russia hoax comes to mind.

    If history is fair, it will judge the Russia hoax as a mix of left-wing conspiracy theory and Deep State shadowpuppetry.
  121. anon[401] • Disclaimer says:
    @OilcanFloyd
    You don't have to start a new YouTube, sonce the Russians have already done that. Go to VK.com. I can't see any obvious censorship at VK, so much of what gets censored in the U.S. and Europe flies through there.

    You don’t have to start a new YouTube, sonce the Russians have already done that. Go to VK.com. I can’t see any obvious censorship at VK, so much of what gets censored in the U.S. and Europe flies through there.

    How tolerant are the Russians of WWII historiography?

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
    They make Steve Sailer look like a Stalinist. Everything posts immediately, and nothing seems off limits.
  122. Anon[211] • Disclaimer says:
    @nebulafox
    >Due to some quirk or some unique circumstances, he might have absorbed the “alt-right” point of view without really understanding what it’s based on, and then kept regurgitating it, until, due to some change in personal circumstances (like a new girlfriend) he started to absorb another point of view (again, without much thinking), and started regurgitating it.

    I think this is a big part of it: most people just aren't very deep thinkers and will eventually absorb what they just happen to stumble across. I myself am unfortunately in this category, and that's something I'm going to try and change.

    But I also think it is more subtle than outright social intimidation. There are a lot of guys on the alt-right that don't have friends, career prospects, lovers, much of a future life in general to go back to, no matter how ardently they "redeem" themselves, and they know it. Social stigma has little meaningful impact for somebody with no social capital and little concrete prospect of gaining any. I don't think this guy is quite that bad off, but his life doesn't seem like a particularly happy, successful one in which he stands to lose a lot. Obviously, if we were talking about some L5 dude at Google on the down-low, it'd be another story.

    (Perhaps because they largely consist of the types of people who've never struggled to attain social connections, the MSM is comically bad at understanding this dynamic, hence their belief that yelling "SHAME" at ever higher decibels is going to eventually do the trick.)

    I believe that it is more whether he genuinely feels like he's a good person. This can be especially important if you are a guy with not a lot going for you in life and you want to turn it all around, as I suspect this guy might be: if you think you are genuinely scum on top of that, you are going to have a really tough time focusing on improving yourself. It messes with your brain processes. There's a lot of people out there all too willing to conflate favoring restriction immigration numbers with actually *hating* immigrants, or a willingness to be open to the idea that IQ has a biological component with *hating* different races, or a belief that women are deeply different from men with *hating* women, or whatever. I think the more perspective/intelligent people who comment here (Twinkie, PhysicistDave, LTC, among others) show that this is utter nonsense. But there's no question that the "real" white supremacist contingent on the alt-right, among other undesirables (incels, Holocaust deniers, that kind of thing), definitely helps confirm that in the eyes of the masses, and as I alluded to, most people aren't particularly deep thinkers, much of our ruling classes included. As an analogy, most humans aren't wired to be Origen or Avicenna, bent to justify the faith, most are oriented to accept the faith and not question the details too much, while their day-to-day practice is rather hit or miss depending on the circumstances.

    The desire to genuinely believe you are a decent person can be very powerful. More powerful than the desire to actually be one, for that matter. To wax Joachim Fest for a bit, lot of the absolute worst movements in history had, at their core, that very dangerous kind of person with a strong but directionless craving for morality.

    Don’t make it too complicated.

    Alt Right figures are being deplatformed, blackballed from mainstream society, and driven to the financial ruin.

    They’re scared and they want to go back to their old boring middle-class lives, pre-Alt Right.

    So they feed all sorts of BS to the media about how they “changed.” Hopefully, after all that, their old employer will rehire them and they can go back to how things used to be.

    I’d also say that many Alt Right figures (like Lauren Southern) are grifters. With the money drying up (due to pay services boycotting them), they want to move on to their next con. Roosh, for example, has transitioned from Alt Right PUA to Christian preacher.

    It’s not about what they believe. It’s about making a living.

  123. Anonymous[401] • Disclaimer says:
    @BB753
    If the guy was legitimately red-pilled, there's no turning point. He's either lying through his teeth or a genuine liberal.

    If the guy was legitimately red-pilled, there’s no turning point. He’s either lying through his teeth or a genuine liberal.

    What makes you think there’s no turning point?

    • Replies: @BB753
    Well, you can't unsee the data, the facts. There's no turning back from finding out about HBD. You can either lie, shut up or discuss the issues HBD raises.
  124. @nebulafox
    >Due to some quirk or some unique circumstances, he might have absorbed the “alt-right” point of view without really understanding what it’s based on, and then kept regurgitating it, until, due to some change in personal circumstances (like a new girlfriend) he started to absorb another point of view (again, without much thinking), and started regurgitating it.

    I think this is a big part of it: most people just aren't very deep thinkers and will eventually absorb what they just happen to stumble across. I myself am unfortunately in this category, and that's something I'm going to try and change.

    But I also think it is more subtle than outright social intimidation. There are a lot of guys on the alt-right that don't have friends, career prospects, lovers, much of a future life in general to go back to, no matter how ardently they "redeem" themselves, and they know it. Social stigma has little meaningful impact for somebody with no social capital and little concrete prospect of gaining any. I don't think this guy is quite that bad off, but his life doesn't seem like a particularly happy, successful one in which he stands to lose a lot. Obviously, if we were talking about some L5 dude at Google on the down-low, it'd be another story.

    (Perhaps because they largely consist of the types of people who've never struggled to attain social connections, the MSM is comically bad at understanding this dynamic, hence their belief that yelling "SHAME" at ever higher decibels is going to eventually do the trick.)

    I believe that it is more whether he genuinely feels like he's a good person. This can be especially important if you are a guy with not a lot going for you in life and you want to turn it all around, as I suspect this guy might be: if you think you are genuinely scum on top of that, you are going to have a really tough time focusing on improving yourself. It messes with your brain processes. There's a lot of people out there all too willing to conflate favoring restriction immigration numbers with actually *hating* immigrants, or a willingness to be open to the idea that IQ has a biological component with *hating* different races, or a belief that women are deeply different from men with *hating* women, or whatever. I think the more perspective/intelligent people who comment here (Twinkie, PhysicistDave, LTC, among others) show that this is utter nonsense. But there's no question that the "real" white supremacist contingent on the alt-right, among other undesirables (incels, Holocaust deniers, that kind of thing), definitely helps confirm that in the eyes of the masses, and as I alluded to, most people aren't particularly deep thinkers, much of our ruling classes included. As an analogy, most humans aren't wired to be Origen or Avicenna, bent to justify the faith, most are oriented to accept the faith and not question the details too much, while their day-to-day practice is rather hit or miss depending on the circumstances.

    The desire to genuinely believe you are a decent person can be very powerful. More powerful than the desire to actually be one, for that matter. To wax Joachim Fest for a bit, lot of the absolute worst movements in history had, at their core, that very dangerous kind of person with a strong but directionless craving for morality.

    Ah yes. Even the Bad People have their own subset of self-imagined Good People. There’s just no escaping it.

  125. @anon
    You don’t have to start a new YouTube, sonce the Russians have already done that. Go to VK.com. I can’t see any obvious censorship at VK, so much of what gets censored in the U.S. and Europe flies through there.

    How tolerant are the Russians of WWII historiography?

    They make Steve Sailer look like a Stalinist. Everything posts immediately, and nothing seems off limits.

  126. @reiner Tor
    Have you guys ever wondered if one could ever become un-redpilled?

    I mean, once you've read about and understood the proofs for race realism and IQ differences etc., is it possible to just go back to believing normie things? How does that work?

    I'd think that some of these "former alt-right" guys are consciously lying (i.e. they want to get their jobs/social lives/etc. back), while the rest might never have fully understood the thing at all. I don't know what the proportions are, but I'd guess the majority is in the consciously lying category.

    You can never spit out the red-pill once you swallow it. The only other option is to take the black pill.

    You won’t start believing in giant white racism conspiracies or that trannys are real WAMENZ. Instead you just believe that nothing can ever be done about it, and keep a sort of distant pessimism to the wider cultural and political trends around you.

    So yes, any stories of “reformed nazis/alt-right,” are most definitely media propaganda fabrication. I’d bet money on it at least.

    • Replies: @Random Smartaleck

    Instead you just believe that nothing can ever be done about it, and keep a sort of distant pessimism to the wider cultural and political trends around you.
     
    Or you take the Honk Pill and just laugh at it all as a colossal, absurd joke.

    The laughter soon turns bitter, though.

    , @SFG
    I suspect a lot of people decide to keep their mouths shut as a condition of being readmitted into society. You have to lie to your boss and your wife everyday, what's one more untruth?
  127. @AnotherDad

    … Nina, 39, says she spends around three hours a day moderating comments on top of her full-time job as director of an NGO. But she has very personal reasons for devoting a large chunk of her busy schedule to the campaign.

    Her husband is from Uganda
     
    Whiskey is owning this thread--without even posting. White men will not save their nations unless the are willing to read the riot act to white women.

    Nina has defected. She is now the property of some Ugandan tribe and she and her "husband" need to be expelled from Germany and sent there. Until white men are willing to be clear and hard about this, there is no salvation.

    ~~

    And again the simple winning idea--separation.

    If Nina wants to worship her Ugandan penis in a rainbow hued globotopia ... great. Let them set one up with like minded loons.

    But these virtue signalling globo-loons have no right to make the rest of live that way--to wreck our nations.

    Keep pushing this point. These people are totalitarian nation-wrecking thugs plain and simple.

    I will act against my better judgement and go all Whiskey (I hope his absence is proof that he’s finally getting laid and leaving his hatred of women behind) here for a bit.

    I wonder what would happen to debates on immigration if Western governments decided to fight the patriarchy in addition to not letting The Crops Rot and The Margins Crimp… by importing women in their 20s and 30s exclusively. The immigrant ladies are going to be well aware that their best chance of ensuring citizenship-and a better future for their kids-is wedding a local man, so they’ll be pulling out all the stops to nab one. And in the United States, at least, they likely will leave American women-at least in the bottom sector of the dating market-in the dust in just about every way you could imagine.

    Don’t let the idiot white nationalist crowd fool you. Your average “beta” guy who is functional but loses in the modern American dating market during his 20s because he’s not particularly compelling and his not-particularly-compelling woman counterpart can date upwards is going to prefer a woman of Nigerian origin who is visibly ready to treat him like *her* man and build a mutually supportive, respectful life with him. What’s his other option? A white American chick who is visibly settling for him after many years of being the booty call of various down-on-their-luck “alphas” and who brings an attitude of “entertain me, peasant, you should be grateful” on the first date? Easy choice.

    Cue the men bringing out the “WELCOME” signs.

    Cue the women whipping out the protest signs when men start quitting online dating apps en masse in favor of volunteering at the local refugee center.

    (I personally think the whole alpha/beta thing is overdone by the manosphere-social status is verrrrrry context dependent and nowhere near as bifurcated-but let’s just use it for the sake of ease. And the overwhelming majority of people, men and women alike, eventually settle, so there’s nothing wrong with that in and of itself: most people are, by definition, a standard deviation away from average, so they end up with average mates. But people have their limits, and in an age where you can see all the fun you aren’t having and online dating makes for a particularly open display of raw human nature, a lot of guys are being pushed beyond theirs.

    And that’s not good. When men decide they aren’t going to bother in courtship, they typically decide not to bother with other things, too. And unless you are dealing with an Isaac Newton figure-and that is the type of guy is likely more productive and happier on his own anyway-that’s typically not good for society as a whole.)

    • Replies: @L Woods
    “Let me preface this rambling diatribe by signaling how much better I am than all those ‘idiots’ and ‘losers’ that have been saying exactly what I’m about to in fewer words. Don’t be fooled by the congruence of my message with theirs. I am Good and Worthy.”
    , @Stan Adams
    This is not uncommon these days.

    I know a guy - white, late 20s, good physique, well-paying job - who has just about given up on finding a suitable long-term mate.

    One minus, at least in terms of his appeal to the opposite sex, is that he's a huge sci-fi nerd. He has the body of a jock - he played football in high school - but the mind of a geek.

    He recently sent me this:

    Sometimes I feel like I just would be happy being rich and dying miserable and alone. Like Scrooge except no happy ending. I want a nice girl to marry but I'm stuck in this weird place where I feel like I'm too good for the girls I do attract, and not good enough for the girls I'm actually interested in.

    I'm terrible at being social unless I know you, so first dates usually end up one of two ways:
    1)The girl is really nice with good values and a career, we hang out , she realizes I have the personality of a wet toothpick, and then she never talks to me again.
    2) I get some trashy slag who I have zero interest actually committing to, we probably have sex, and then we never talk to again.

    This may sound selfish but I'm tired of being only desirable to single moms looking for a sugar daddy. I have no interest in raising someone else's kid, horrible I know since I came from a single parent household, but that's just how I feel. I want to start my own family with a girl I'm genuinely interested in.
     
    Is he being unreasonable? I don't think so.

    Some of these sugar-daddy-seeking single moms are pretty damn picky:
    https://theothermccain.com/2019/05/24/strong-delusion/
  128. @Achmed E. Newman
    Steve, the NY Times has been a joke for a few decades, I'm sure, but you've got people thinking this one is a 10 year long running joke. Change that top date to 2019.

    BTW, I clicked on the NY Times article just this one time (to make sure I was right in correcting your date error). Man, the bullshit is really fresh and thick with these people, from paragraph one on. Oh, the guy threw his Glock (of course, because the NY Times doesn't know any other brands) and the magazine on the kitchen counter he'd been carrying because of those internet trolls ... give me a break- first sentence people, and I needed a break already!

    Skimming through it, I saw that the BS doesn't quit for a minute - the article must conform to all current narratives ...

    Great juxtaposition, Steve. It's like what Matt Drudge did, when I read his site, but with whole articles, not just headlines.

    I guess I should take it more seriously when my 7 y/o boy comes home from school with a paper with "What would you like to be when you grow up?" filled in by him with "A youtuber.", haha! Is he already a dissident searching for truth, or is he being brainwashed by evil people? Let's see, he's in America, not Russia, so I guess the latter. Can you get brainwashed by those crazy cat videos that pretty much support the entire internet (OK pussy/cat videos ...).

    I guess I should take it more seriously when my 7 y/o boy comes home from school with a paper with “What would you like to be when you grow up?” filled in by him with “A youtuber.”, haha! Is he already a dissident searching for truth, or is he being brainwashed by evil people?

    I’m recalling that sometime in the 1980s some set of mass comm or marcomm professor types asked fitty bazillion high school seniors (or thereabouts) what they wanted to be after high school.

    The researchers were astonished by the fact that nearly half (or maybe just over) replied “On television.”

    The phenomenon calls to mind the “Little Girl Lost” episode of the original Twilight Zone TV series. You know, the one where the little girl goes into the wall and ends up in some other dimension. Her parents can hear her plaintive cries for help.

    The Simpsons did a take on this. “Homer 3” from Treehouse of Horror VI.

    We can watch with various reactions as our young people intuit that the movie, video, or videogame screen is another world, where they want to live, rather than some sort of constructed projection designed to manipulate them. We can try to figure out how to inoculate them.

    There are tons of “media scholars” who ponder the “media space” part of the problem, mostly in impenetrable pomo prose, sometimes with little nuggets of perceptiveness. But precious few work on developing the Media Vaccine–that’s left to sh!tposters–and surprisingly few IME even aware this is an issue. (Mr. Unz aims, it seems, to provide that vaccine in his American Pravda series.)

    In the 1980s UC-Santa Cruz’s Margaret Morse wrote about how television created a private world between the viewer and the content viewed (and by extension its creators). She was an early examiner of the phenomenon of the “space” of mediated culture and its relationship to the “private lives” of the viewers. I had half a mind to poke around in her articles again, what with the current discussions of what’s the problem with Google, FB, etc. She had a piece, “An Ontology of Everyday Distraction: the Freeway, the Mall, and Television,” that is considered classic or seminal by some.

    Regardless of the density of her prose, there’s some good stuff in there regarding things like the universe of mediated representation coughing up phenomena like fiat currency/speculative economy and the bankruptcy of the Iraq War.

    It touches on just what you’re saying about sensing your child being pulled into a world that isn’t real…but at the same time isn’t unreal, given its potential and eventual effects on him. IOW, it may be ephemeral, but it’s got incredible power. Your concern as a parent is crucial. IIRC Marshall McLuhan asserted that World War III would be not a nuclear war, but an information one.

    And everyone is drafted.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    That's gotta be interesting stuff from that Professor Morse, Olorin.

    As far as the 7 y/o goes, I'm not worried about him. I don't think he (though I agree lots of kids aren't like him) wrote "youtube" as a way to say he wants to be ON youtube. He's a shy guy. No, he likes that they described certain Hot Wheel sets (that's he never getting, as the toys are already out of hand) or made the biggest birthday cake in the world, etc. I think he figures he wants to MAKE video like that, not be on them.

    The wife and I disabused him of the notion of making a living this way, and he fully agrees with us. He watches ZERO TV, as is the same for all of us, and only 1/2 hour a day of youtube if he eats his vegetables fast enough. He's truly a great kid, but parents do indeed need to watch out, especially when the government indoctrination camps, ... excuse me "public schools" get a hold of yours more than they do early on.
  129. @nebulafox
    I will act against my better judgement and go all Whiskey (I hope his absence is proof that he's finally getting laid and leaving his hatred of women behind) here for a bit.

    I wonder what would happen to debates on immigration if Western governments decided to fight the patriarchy in addition to not letting The Crops Rot and The Margins Crimp... by importing women in their 20s and 30s exclusively. The immigrant ladies are going to be well aware that their best chance of ensuring citizenship-and a better future for their kids-is wedding a local man, so they'll be pulling out all the stops to nab one. And in the United States, at least, they likely will leave American women-at least in the bottom sector of the dating market-in the dust in just about every way you could imagine.

    Don't let the idiot white nationalist crowd fool you. Your average "beta" guy who is functional but loses in the modern American dating market during his 20s because he's not particularly compelling and his not-particularly-compelling woman counterpart can date upwards is going to prefer a woman of Nigerian origin who is visibly ready to treat him like *her* man and build a mutually supportive, respectful life with him. What's his other option? A white American chick who is visibly settling for him after many years of being the booty call of various down-on-their-luck "alphas" and who brings an attitude of "entertain me, peasant, you should be grateful" on the first date? Easy choice.

    Cue the men bringing out the "WELCOME" signs.

    Cue the women whipping out the protest signs when men start quitting online dating apps en masse in favor of volunteering at the local refugee center.

    (I personally think the whole alpha/beta thing is overdone by the manosphere-social status is verrrrrry context dependent and nowhere near as bifurcated-but let's just use it for the sake of ease. And the overwhelming majority of people, men and women alike, eventually settle, so there's nothing wrong with that in and of itself: most people are, by definition, a standard deviation away from average, so they end up with average mates. But people have their limits, and in an age where you can see all the fun you aren't having and online dating makes for a particularly open display of raw human nature, a lot of guys are being pushed beyond theirs.

    And that's not good. When men decide they aren't going to bother in courtship, they typically decide not to bother with other things, too. And unless you are dealing with an Isaac Newton figure-and that is the type of guy is likely more productive and happier on his own anyway-that's typically not good for society as a whole.)

    “Let me preface this rambling diatribe by signaling how much better I am than all those ‘idiots’ and ‘losers’ that have been saying exactly what I’m about to in fewer words. Don’t be fooled by the congruence of my message with theirs. I am Good and Worthy.”

  130. @The Anti-Gnostic
    Very much agreed. The same mental state that can look at XX-XY sexual dimorphism and conclude it's all this complex, fuzzy thing so Caster Semenya is a woman.

    Occam's Butter Knife, wielded in complete seriousness.

    More, I think, like Cybele’s.

    😉

  131. @Redneck farmer
    Naw. Remember F. Scott Fitzgerald's quote: "To hold two diametrically opposed ideas in your head at the same time is a sign of intelligence". They don't lack reading comprehension, or are mentally ill, they're smarter than us!

    I somehow always manage to forget this, Red.

    Then I think of Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel coming out of hypnotism, where he’s been doing complex math regarding Zorn’s Lemma.

    Hypnotist snaps his fingers–at wife Brandine’s demand to “gimme muh dayum husband back!”

    Cletus blinks, looks at the blackboard and drawls, “Dang, Brandine, look uh all them hobo signs. My head bone hurts.”

    The hypnotist act of the MSM would be funny if it weren’t causing such dire negative effects on people’s head bones.

  132. Anonymous[401] • Disclaimer says:
    @istevefan
    You cannot. Once you have seen, you can't unsee. It's like one of those ink blot pictures that contains an image of Christ. At first glance you can't see it. But once you notice it amongst the clutter, you can never look at again without seeing it.

    At first glance you can’t see it. But once you notice it amongst the clutter, you can never look at again without seeing it.

    What would you describe this “it” as being?

  133. @Almost Missouri
    Not doubting your analysis, but some questions:

    1) What is bad about using a payment processor whose clients include porn sites?

    2) I think most of YouTube's revenue is not from subscribers, but from advertisers, so the choke point that SJWs attack is scaring advertisers off right-friendly sites (along with the society-wide harassment of anything not sufficiently woke).

    1) What is bad about using a payment processor whose clients include porn sites?

    They charge a larger transaction fee.

    2) I think most of YouTube’s revenue is not from subscribers, but from advertisers, so the choke point that SJWs attack is scaring advertisers off right-friendly sites (along with the society-wide harassment of anything not sufficiently woke).

    Doesn’t really matter where the revenue comes from – you still need to process payments. What will you do if banks won’t touch you?

  134. @nebulafox
    I will act against my better judgement and go all Whiskey (I hope his absence is proof that he's finally getting laid and leaving his hatred of women behind) here for a bit.

    I wonder what would happen to debates on immigration if Western governments decided to fight the patriarchy in addition to not letting The Crops Rot and The Margins Crimp... by importing women in their 20s and 30s exclusively. The immigrant ladies are going to be well aware that their best chance of ensuring citizenship-and a better future for their kids-is wedding a local man, so they'll be pulling out all the stops to nab one. And in the United States, at least, they likely will leave American women-at least in the bottom sector of the dating market-in the dust in just about every way you could imagine.

    Don't let the idiot white nationalist crowd fool you. Your average "beta" guy who is functional but loses in the modern American dating market during his 20s because he's not particularly compelling and his not-particularly-compelling woman counterpart can date upwards is going to prefer a woman of Nigerian origin who is visibly ready to treat him like *her* man and build a mutually supportive, respectful life with him. What's his other option? A white American chick who is visibly settling for him after many years of being the booty call of various down-on-their-luck "alphas" and who brings an attitude of "entertain me, peasant, you should be grateful" on the first date? Easy choice.

    Cue the men bringing out the "WELCOME" signs.

    Cue the women whipping out the protest signs when men start quitting online dating apps en masse in favor of volunteering at the local refugee center.

    (I personally think the whole alpha/beta thing is overdone by the manosphere-social status is verrrrrry context dependent and nowhere near as bifurcated-but let's just use it for the sake of ease. And the overwhelming majority of people, men and women alike, eventually settle, so there's nothing wrong with that in and of itself: most people are, by definition, a standard deviation away from average, so they end up with average mates. But people have their limits, and in an age where you can see all the fun you aren't having and online dating makes for a particularly open display of raw human nature, a lot of guys are being pushed beyond theirs.

    And that's not good. When men decide they aren't going to bother in courtship, they typically decide not to bother with other things, too. And unless you are dealing with an Isaac Newton figure-and that is the type of guy is likely more productive and happier on his own anyway-that's typically not good for society as a whole.)

    This is not uncommon these days.

    I know a guy – white, late 20s, good physique, well-paying job – who has just about given up on finding a suitable long-term mate.

    One minus, at least in terms of his appeal to the opposite sex, is that he’s a huge sci-fi nerd. He has the body of a jock – he played football in high school – but the mind of a geek.

    He recently sent me this:

    Sometimes I feel like I just would be happy being rich and dying miserable and alone. Like Scrooge except no happy ending. I want a nice girl to marry but I’m stuck in this weird place where I feel like I’m too good for the girls I do attract, and not good enough for the girls I’m actually interested in.

    I’m terrible at being social unless I know you, so first dates usually end up one of two ways:
    1)The girl is really nice with good values and a career, we hang out , she realizes I have the personality of a wet toothpick, and then she never talks to me again.
    2) I get some trashy slag who I have zero interest actually committing to, we probably have sex, and then we never talk to again.

    This may sound selfish but I’m tired of being only desirable to single moms looking for a sugar daddy. I have no interest in raising someone else’s kid, horrible I know since I came from a single parent household, but that’s just how I feel. I want to start my own family with a girl I’m genuinely interested in.

    Is he being unreasonable? I don’t think so.

    Some of these sugar-daddy-seeking single moms are pretty damn picky:
    https://theothermccain.com/2019/05/24/strong-delusion/

    • Replies: @L Woods
    Why yes, he is being unreasonable. Just ask the Good People and Winners here.

    Really, he shouldn’t self-deprecate as he does. Lacking the frivolous extroversion to entertain and titilate women hardly means you have the personality of a “wet toothpick.” It’s the dullard personalities that enjoy easy success with them that are banal and negative. The psychological abuse heaped on non-retard white males is relentless, but one should avoid internalizing it as much as possible.
    , @Keypusher
    He has, by his own admission, the personality of a wet toothpick. Yes, he’s being unreasonable.
    , @Known Fact
    If he's really a sci-fi nerd he should understand that women were all over Mr. Spock, all the time. There's always hope
  135. @Olorin

    I guess I should take it more seriously when my 7 y/o boy comes home from school with a paper with “What would you like to be when you grow up?” filled in by him with “A youtuber.”, haha! Is he already a dissident searching for truth, or is he being brainwashed by evil people?
     
    I'm recalling that sometime in the 1980s some set of mass comm or marcomm professor types asked fitty bazillion high school seniors (or thereabouts) what they wanted to be after high school.

    The researchers were astonished by the fact that nearly half (or maybe just over) replied "On television."

    The phenomenon calls to mind the "Little Girl Lost" episode of the original Twilight Zone TV series. You know, the one where the little girl goes into the wall and ends up in some other dimension. Her parents can hear her plaintive cries for help.

    The Simpsons did a take on this. "Homer 3" from Treehouse of Horror VI.

    We can watch with various reactions as our young people intuit that the movie, video, or videogame screen is another world, where they want to live, rather than some sort of constructed projection designed to manipulate them. We can try to figure out how to inoculate them.

    There are tons of "media scholars" who ponder the "media space" part of the problem, mostly in impenetrable pomo prose, sometimes with little nuggets of perceptiveness. But precious few work on developing the Media Vaccine--that's left to sh!tposters--and surprisingly few IME even aware this is an issue. (Mr. Unz aims, it seems, to provide that vaccine in his American Pravda series.)

    In the 1980s UC-Santa Cruz's Margaret Morse wrote about how television created a private world between the viewer and the content viewed (and by extension its creators). She was an early examiner of the phenomenon of the "space" of mediated culture and its relationship to the "private lives" of the viewers. I had half a mind to poke around in her articles again, what with the current discussions of what's the problem with Google, FB, etc. She had a piece, "An Ontology of Everyday Distraction: the Freeway, the Mall, and Television," that is considered classic or seminal by some.

    Regardless of the density of her prose, there's some good stuff in there regarding things like the universe of mediated representation coughing up phenomena like fiat currency/speculative economy and the bankruptcy of the Iraq War.

    It touches on just what you're saying about sensing your child being pulled into a world that isn't real...but at the same time isn't unreal, given its potential and eventual effects on him. IOW, it may be ephemeral, but it's got incredible power. Your concern as a parent is crucial. IIRC Marshall McLuhan asserted that World War III would be not a nuclear war, but an information one.

    And everyone is drafted.

    That’s gotta be interesting stuff from that Professor Morse, Olorin.

    As far as the 7 y/o goes, I’m not worried about him. I don’t think he (though I agree lots of kids aren’t like him) wrote “youtube” as a way to say he wants to be ON youtube. He’s a shy guy. No, he likes that they described certain Hot Wheel sets (that’s he never getting, as the toys are already out of hand) or made the biggest birthday cake in the world, etc. I think he figures he wants to MAKE video like that, not be on them.

    The wife and I disabused him of the notion of making a living this way, and he fully agrees with us. He watches ZERO TV, as is the same for all of us, and only 1/2 hour a day of youtube if he eats his vegetables fast enough. He’s truly a great kid, but parents do indeed need to watch out, especially when the government indoctrination camps, … excuse me “public schools” get a hold of yours more than they do early on.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    He watches ZERO TV, as is the same for all of us, and only 1/2 hour a day of youtube if he eats his vegetables fast enough.
     
    How do you manage to keep his TV watching to zero?
  136. @Redneck farmer
    Naw. Remember F. Scott Fitzgerald's quote: "To hold two diametrically opposed ideas in your head at the same time is a sign of intelligence". They don't lack reading comprehension, or are mentally ill, they're smarter than us!

    F. Scott Fitzgerald was talking about an aspect of thought associated with Romanticism, ie; not staying stuck in an Either/Or world by polarizing opposites, (like the Right and Left do and have been doing for the past 200+years) but moving into a Both/And world by transcending them.

    The NY Times, on the other hand, was engaged in yet another act of self-refuting denial.

    So, no they’re not smarters than us, and, yeah, they are mentally ill.

  137. @Olorin
    That's not a joke, host. That's schizophrenia.

    Caleb Cain sounds like a made up name, for a reason.

  138. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thulean Friend
    No joke, Sailer. It is simply Jewish censorship. The parallells to the early Days of the radio is striking. The most popular radio host was Father Coughlin, a national-populist who was stridently against any involvement of the US in WWII.

    The major radio corporations, mostly run by jews, shut him down. Youtube and Google are both run by jews and the NYT is also run by jews. You add a lobby group like ADL which has been pushing for censorship for years now and it is a perfect analogy to what happened back then.

    The main difference is that you had powerful goyim like Henry Ford and others who pushed back. Today we have craven merchants like Bezos who is nothing but a servant of the system. Musk is silent even as his own people get butchered in South Africa, so expecting him to say or do anything is also fanciful, despite his libertarian streak.


    What we're facing is simply a massive jewish assault on freedom of speech, just as we did with radio in the 1930s.

    Fr. Coughlin was silenced by the Church-he was told to give up the mic or give up the collar.

    Jews are powerful but not omnipotent or omniscient. Ultimately they are afraid, but they provoke the status quo until something happens and hope it’s just bad enough. They provoked a little too much in Europe before WWII and the consequences were way more than they bargained for.

    Ultimately, whites are at fault for not being willing to fade the heat for not telling them NO.

  139. Anon[320] • Disclaimer says:

    This is analogous to how academia shut down race research. You had to get funded by Pioneer and present your paper at American Reconnaissance’s conference and get published by Mankind Quarterly. No one else would touch you. You had to associate with outfits that were easy for the other side to slime, which meant that nobody ever read your research.

  140. @anon
    … They don’t attempt to change the minds of people posting hate or argue directly with extremists. Instead they collectively inject discussions with facts and straightforwardly argued reasonable viewpoints. The idea is to provide balance so that other social media users see that there are alternative perspectives

    Why don't nationalists or other dissidents of a feather organize and do this? There's still a lot of free exposure to be had on Twitter, other social media, and in comment sections.

    What if Richard Spencer had dedicated himself to organizing a sort of anti-defamation group like this, instead of engaging in the sort of antics he has engaged in?

    We do it all the time! Or used to when there was a reasonable chance of interacting with the mainstream.

    And of course uber cuck Nina isn’t going to be banned or deplatformed.

  141. @Almost Missouri
    #IchBinHier (“#IAmHere”) = Volunteer Auxiliary Thought Police

    I guess Merkel-esque Frau Nina can't resist playing into the stereotype of needing to silence dissent against the police state.

    From the BBC article:

    Nina's alarm clock is going off. Before getting up and making breakfast for her 13-month-old daughter ...
    Nina with her Ugandan husband, who moved to Berlin in 2017
     
    Thirteen months + nine months = 22 months, subtract from 2019 = 2017. It seems Herr Nina's-Ugandan-Husband didn't waste any time establishing himself an anchor baby in this marginal womb of the German welfare state. Yes, that's the kind of entrepreneurial spirit that Angela Merkel rightly recognized her country of parlous finances and even more parlous demographics really really needed.

    Thirteen months

    Nina needs to be aware of the looming event horizon the 2YR – 2 Year Rule. In eleven months it’s odds on that her Ugandan babydaddy will be away on his toes.

  142. @Stan Adams
    This is not uncommon these days.

    I know a guy - white, late 20s, good physique, well-paying job - who has just about given up on finding a suitable long-term mate.

    One minus, at least in terms of his appeal to the opposite sex, is that he's a huge sci-fi nerd. He has the body of a jock - he played football in high school - but the mind of a geek.

    He recently sent me this:

    Sometimes I feel like I just would be happy being rich and dying miserable and alone. Like Scrooge except no happy ending. I want a nice girl to marry but I'm stuck in this weird place where I feel like I'm too good for the girls I do attract, and not good enough for the girls I'm actually interested in.

    I'm terrible at being social unless I know you, so first dates usually end up one of two ways:
    1)The girl is really nice with good values and a career, we hang out , she realizes I have the personality of a wet toothpick, and then she never talks to me again.
    2) I get some trashy slag who I have zero interest actually committing to, we probably have sex, and then we never talk to again.

    This may sound selfish but I'm tired of being only desirable to single moms looking for a sugar daddy. I have no interest in raising someone else's kid, horrible I know since I came from a single parent household, but that's just how I feel. I want to start my own family with a girl I'm genuinely interested in.
     
    Is he being unreasonable? I don't think so.

    Some of these sugar-daddy-seeking single moms are pretty damn picky:
    https://theothermccain.com/2019/05/24/strong-delusion/

    Why yes, he is being unreasonable. Just ask the Good People and Winners here.

    Really, he shouldn’t self-deprecate as he does. Lacking the frivolous extroversion to entertain and titilate women hardly means you have the personality of a “wet toothpick.” It’s the dullard personalities that enjoy easy success with them that are banal and negative. The psychological abuse heaped on non-retard white males is relentless, but one should avoid internalizing it as much as possible.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    It appears you have internalized some of it yourself.

    The psychological abuse heaped on non-retard white men is relentless, but one should avoid internalizing it as much as possible.
     
    Fixed that for you.
  143. @Stan Adams
    This is not uncommon these days.

    I know a guy - white, late 20s, good physique, well-paying job - who has just about given up on finding a suitable long-term mate.

    One minus, at least in terms of his appeal to the opposite sex, is that he's a huge sci-fi nerd. He has the body of a jock - he played football in high school - but the mind of a geek.

    He recently sent me this:

    Sometimes I feel like I just would be happy being rich and dying miserable and alone. Like Scrooge except no happy ending. I want a nice girl to marry but I'm stuck in this weird place where I feel like I'm too good for the girls I do attract, and not good enough for the girls I'm actually interested in.

    I'm terrible at being social unless I know you, so first dates usually end up one of two ways:
    1)The girl is really nice with good values and a career, we hang out , she realizes I have the personality of a wet toothpick, and then she never talks to me again.
    2) I get some trashy slag who I have zero interest actually committing to, we probably have sex, and then we never talk to again.

    This may sound selfish but I'm tired of being only desirable to single moms looking for a sugar daddy. I have no interest in raising someone else's kid, horrible I know since I came from a single parent household, but that's just how I feel. I want to start my own family with a girl I'm genuinely interested in.
     
    Is he being unreasonable? I don't think so.

    Some of these sugar-daddy-seeking single moms are pretty damn picky:
    https://theothermccain.com/2019/05/24/strong-delusion/

    He has, by his own admission, the personality of a wet toothpick. Yes, he’s being unreasonable.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    Oh look, case in point. If you’d bother opening your eyes atop your smug perch you’d notice that cookie cutter temperamental non-entities are the ones that actually do best with the wamminz. Does Brock the football player have a unique and dynamic “personality?” Don’t let your need to posture make you an idiot.
  144. @Bill P
    Yeah, the alt-right is the new Tea Party. Was anyone ever a registered member of the Tea Party?

    I used to doubt the existence of the Tea Party, but people always assured me that it was a real thing that existed. Looking into it, I'm kind of skeptical.

    Where were the Tea Party offices? Where were their churches and what taverns did they meet at?

    Same with the "alt-right." It's a bunch of BS. Gays are way more cohesive than either of these supposed entities have ever been. Homosexuals took over churches, bars and entire public housing projects. Now corporations kiss their ass. Since when did that ever happen for the Tea Party or the alt-right?

    I'm pretty disappointed by right-wing efforts at building community. Maybe the problem is that a lot of right-wingers have been morally outmaneuvered because of the inherent contradictions in their philosophy. At least Tucker Carlson is making an effort to address this, but he can't do it alone. There's a lot of work that needs to be done here, and a lot of us will have to pitch in.

    The same Tucker Carlson who is promoting Elizabeth Warren’s “economics”??? Sory, Tucker is a Trojan Horse, fake Libertarian, and has been for yrs. Sounds good, makes sense for weeks, then goes far left, or carries water for the NWO (like his antics at the Vegas Ron Paul rally yrs ago, showing up with hookers). NOT to be trusted.

  145. @Keypusher
    He has, by his own admission, the personality of a wet toothpick. Yes, he’s being unreasonable.

    Oh look, case in point. If you’d bother opening your eyes atop your smug perch you’d notice that cookie cutter temperamental non-entities are the ones that actually do best with the wamminz. Does Brock the football player have a unique and dynamic “personality?” Don’t let your need to posture make you an idiot.

  146. @Anonymous

    If the guy was legitimately red-pilled, there’s no turning point. He’s either lying through his teeth or a genuine liberal.
     
    What makes you think there's no turning point?

    Well, you can’t unsee the data, the facts. There’s no turning back from finding out about HBD. You can either lie, shut up or discuss the issues HBD raises.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Well, you can’t unsee the data, the facts. There’s no turning back from finding out about HBD. You can either lie, shut up or discuss the issues HBD raises.
     
    Isn't HBD controversial (in the scientific sense) and not decisively proven?
  147. @istevecop
    You can never spit out the red-pill once you swallow it. The only other option is to take the black pill.

    You won’t start believing in giant white racism conspiracies or that trannys are real WAMENZ. Instead you just believe that nothing can ever be done about it, and keep a sort of distant pessimism to the wider cultural and political trends around you.

    So yes, any stories of “reformed nazis/alt-right,” are most definitely media propaganda fabrication. I’d bet money on it at least.

    Instead you just believe that nothing can ever be done about it, and keep a sort of distant pessimism to the wider cultural and political trends around you.

    Or you take the Honk Pill and just laugh at it all as a colossal, absurd joke.

    The laughter soon turns bitter, though.

  148. @Stan Adams
    This is not uncommon these days.

    I know a guy - white, late 20s, good physique, well-paying job - who has just about given up on finding a suitable long-term mate.

    One minus, at least in terms of his appeal to the opposite sex, is that he's a huge sci-fi nerd. He has the body of a jock - he played football in high school - but the mind of a geek.

    He recently sent me this:

    Sometimes I feel like I just would be happy being rich and dying miserable and alone. Like Scrooge except no happy ending. I want a nice girl to marry but I'm stuck in this weird place where I feel like I'm too good for the girls I do attract, and not good enough for the girls I'm actually interested in.

    I'm terrible at being social unless I know you, so first dates usually end up one of two ways:
    1)The girl is really nice with good values and a career, we hang out , she realizes I have the personality of a wet toothpick, and then she never talks to me again.
    2) I get some trashy slag who I have zero interest actually committing to, we probably have sex, and then we never talk to again.

    This may sound selfish but I'm tired of being only desirable to single moms looking for a sugar daddy. I have no interest in raising someone else's kid, horrible I know since I came from a single parent household, but that's just how I feel. I want to start my own family with a girl I'm genuinely interested in.
     
    Is he being unreasonable? I don't think so.

    Some of these sugar-daddy-seeking single moms are pretty damn picky:
    https://theothermccain.com/2019/05/24/strong-delusion/

    If he’s really a sci-fi nerd he should understand that women were all over Mr. Spock, all the time. There’s always hope

  149. Anonymous[102] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    That's gotta be interesting stuff from that Professor Morse, Olorin.

    As far as the 7 y/o goes, I'm not worried about him. I don't think he (though I agree lots of kids aren't like him) wrote "youtube" as a way to say he wants to be ON youtube. He's a shy guy. No, he likes that they described certain Hot Wheel sets (that's he never getting, as the toys are already out of hand) or made the biggest birthday cake in the world, etc. I think he figures he wants to MAKE video like that, not be on them.

    The wife and I disabused him of the notion of making a living this way, and he fully agrees with us. He watches ZERO TV, as is the same for all of us, and only 1/2 hour a day of youtube if he eats his vegetables fast enough. He's truly a great kid, but parents do indeed need to watch out, especially when the government indoctrination camps, ... excuse me "public schools" get a hold of yours more than they do early on.

    He watches ZERO TV, as is the same for all of us, and only 1/2 hour a day of youtube if he eats his vegetables fast enough.

    How do you manage to keep his TV watching to zero?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    None of us watch, as I wrote, #102. I did connect our TV to a digital (over-the-air) antenna, and even spent a morning to mount it on the chimney (all for nothing, got the same signals as inside!) about 7 years back, but we just don't watch a thing on it, hence the TV screen gets turned on only for DVD movies (very occasionally now, anyway). The kid learns by example, like most.

    Maybe you meant how do we control TV watching at school? They may watch an occasional movie there, but he hasn't said anything about any TV being on. What I know is coming is more the battles against the very-invasive and, of course, politically-agendad (I know, not a word), software that the school will later have him use more and more on tablets, etc. MIchelle Malkin writes often about this stuff.

    I'll say this too, back in my day, there was much MORE peer pressure to watch the "in" TV shows, as that was the entertainment, besides movies at the theater. Now, TV channels are so many, and the show so fragmented and often short-lived, that I don't think kids talk about "hey, did you watch XXX last night?", which a majority would have watched 30 years ago. "Let me show you this [45 second] youtube clip on Godzilla doing this ..." is more like it now.
  150. Anonymous[102] • Disclaimer says:
    @BB753
    Well, you can't unsee the data, the facts. There's no turning back from finding out about HBD. You can either lie, shut up or discuss the issues HBD raises.

    Well, you can’t unsee the data, the facts. There’s no turning back from finding out about HBD. You can either lie, shut up or discuss the issues HBD raises.

    Isn’t HBD controversial (in the scientific sense) and not decisively proven?

    • Replies: @BB753
    Not psychometrics! The Black /White one standard gap in intelligence has proven very resilient. We know IQ is genetic (what isn't?). Also, given enough selection pressure and relative isolation, human populations can diverge very fast. The data is out there. Everybody and his brother knows about this.
  151. Anonymous[102] • Disclaimer says:
    @L Woods
    Why yes, he is being unreasonable. Just ask the Good People and Winners here.

    Really, he shouldn’t self-deprecate as he does. Lacking the frivolous extroversion to entertain and titilate women hardly means you have the personality of a “wet toothpick.” It’s the dullard personalities that enjoy easy success with them that are banal and negative. The psychological abuse heaped on non-retard white males is relentless, but one should avoid internalizing it as much as possible.

    It appears you have internalized some of it yourself.

    The psychological abuse heaped on non-retard white men is relentless, but one should avoid internalizing it as much as possible.

    Fixed that for you.

  152. @Tiny Duck
    Hate speech isn't free speech

    The problem with YouTube is that it doesn't have gatekeepers

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u6-ll8dfpKA

    Hi there Tiny Duck

    Is this free speech, or is it hate speech? I am interested to hear your opinion because it is still on UTube

  153. @J1234
    It's possible for the right to be radicalized and dangerous, but not possible for the left to become radicalized and dangerous: Marcuse would've made a great reporter for the NYT.

    Conspiracy theories:
    -The Rosenbergs were innocent.
    -Rosenbergs persecuted because they were Jewish (tho' prosecutor and judge were Jewish.)
    -The King Alfred Plan
    -AIDS was invented or propagated by whites to kill blacks.
    -A cure for AIDS was avoided to kill gays.
    -There was no infiltration of the US gov. by Soviet agents in the 40's and 50's
    -McCarthy blacklisted Hollywood communists
    -Trump colluded with the Russians
    -The cult of Hitler reigns supreme, as the right today is a consumed with white supremacism or Nazism or Neo Nazi. The Hitler of the 1940's never dreamed he would capture the hearts and minds of his arch enemy - the USA - to the extent that he has in 2019, almost 75 years after his death.
    -And finally, the left has no conspiracy theories. They mostly happen on the right.

    the left has no conspiracy theories

    The whole Trump-Russia hoax comes to mind.

    If history is fair, it will judge the Russia hoax as a mix of left-wing conspiracy theory and Deep State shadowpuppetry.

  154. @reiner Tor
    Have you guys ever wondered if one could ever become un-redpilled?

    I mean, once you've read about and understood the proofs for race realism and IQ differences etc., is it possible to just go back to believing normie things? How does that work?

    I'd think that some of these "former alt-right" guys are consciously lying (i.e. they want to get their jobs/social lives/etc. back), while the rest might never have fully understood the thing at all. I don't know what the proportions are, but I'd guess the majority is in the consciously lying category.

    Of course you can become un-redpilled.

    As nebulafox says down below, most people are not deep thinkers. Most people are more concerned with making a living and getting or pleasing a partner than figuring out the objectively best position on immigration restriction or tax policy so they can cast the best vote.

    A lot of people might accept the truth and just shrug and forget about it as they decide it’s not immediately applicable (they might avoid living or buying a house in certain neighborhoods, but liberals have used mental workarounds for that for decades) or, perhaps more relevant, is going to get them in too much trouble to think about too hard. They’re not going to risk being thought of as a ‘racist’ for that extra 10% in efficiency over and above the usual mental workarounds people do to avoid crimethink–it just isn’t worth it.

    Also a lot of people might accept the premises of the alt-right without sharing its attitudes. They might be willing to accept a few reparations for blacks as a response to the deeply shameful American history, or be less concerned with political views than IQ when evaluating a Jewish lawyer or physician. (Do I really care about my endocrinologist’ opinion on immigration?)

  155. @istevecop
    You can never spit out the red-pill once you swallow it. The only other option is to take the black pill.

    You won’t start believing in giant white racism conspiracies or that trannys are real WAMENZ. Instead you just believe that nothing can ever be done about it, and keep a sort of distant pessimism to the wider cultural and political trends around you.

    So yes, any stories of “reformed nazis/alt-right,” are most definitely media propaganda fabrication. I’d bet money on it at least.

    I suspect a lot of people decide to keep their mouths shut as a condition of being readmitted into society. You have to lie to your boss and your wife everyday, what’s one more untruth?

  156. Anonymous[200] • Disclaimer says:
    @reiner Tor
    Have you guys ever wondered if one could ever become un-redpilled?

    I mean, once you've read about and understood the proofs for race realism and IQ differences etc., is it possible to just go back to believing normie things? How does that work?

    I'd think that some of these "former alt-right" guys are consciously lying (i.e. they want to get their jobs/social lives/etc. back), while the rest might never have fully understood the thing at all. I don't know what the proportions are, but I'd guess the majority is in the consciously lying category.

    There are a lot of crazy folks in the pro-white movement though. It’s a cause that attracts people with serious personal issues. It’s a real problem.

    I can understand why ‘normies’ attracted to the cause end up repelled by the people they encounter. I don’t know a solution to this.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Pretty much the most passive aggressive, concern-trolling comment I've ever seen. Let me tell you something lady, you may think you're perfect and qualified to pass judgement on others, but I can guarantee you're a pain in the ass to those who have to be around you IRL. People like you make the world a worse place to live in.
  157. Anon[253] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    There are a lot of crazy folks in the pro-white movement though. It's a cause that attracts people with serious personal issues. It's a real problem.

    I can understand why 'normies' attracted to the cause end up repelled by the people they encounter. I don't know a solution to this.

    Pretty much the most passive aggressive, concern-trolling comment I’ve ever seen. Let me tell you something lady, you may think you’re perfect and qualified to pass judgement on others, but I can guarantee you’re a pain in the ass to those who have to be around you IRL. People like you make the world a worse place to live in.

  158. @Anonymous

    He watches ZERO TV, as is the same for all of us, and only 1/2 hour a day of youtube if he eats his vegetables fast enough.
     
    How do you manage to keep his TV watching to zero?

    None of us watch, as I wrote, #102. I did connect our TV to a digital (over-the-air) antenna, and even spent a morning to mount it on the chimney (all for nothing, got the same signals as inside!) about 7 years back, but we just don’t watch a thing on it, hence the TV screen gets turned on only for DVD movies (very occasionally now, anyway). The kid learns by example, like most.

    Maybe you meant how do we control TV watching at school? They may watch an occasional movie there, but he hasn’t said anything about any TV being on. What I know is coming is more the battles against the very-invasive and, of course, politically-agendad (I know, not a word), software that the school will later have him use more and more on tablets, etc. MIchelle Malkin writes often about this stuff.

    I’ll say this too, back in my day, there was much MORE peer pressure to watch the “in” TV shows, as that was the entertainment, besides movies at the theater. Now, TV channels are so many, and the show so fragmented and often short-lived, that I don’t think kids talk about “hey, did you watch XXX last night?”, which a majority would have watched 30 years ago. “Let me show you this [45 second] youtube clip on Godzilla doing this …” is more like it now.

  159. @Anonymous

    Well, you can’t unsee the data, the facts. There’s no turning back from finding out about HBD. You can either lie, shut up or discuss the issues HBD raises.
     
    Isn't HBD controversial (in the scientific sense) and not decisively proven?

    Not psychometrics! The Black /White one standard gap in intelligence has proven very resilient. We know IQ is genetic (what isn’t?). Also, given enough selection pressure and relative isolation, human populations can diverge very fast. The data is out there. Everybody and his brother knows about this.

  160. Media Matters has a transcript of Caleb Cain’s brief CNN appearance:

  161. Anonymous[217] • Disclaimer says:
    @Charles Pewitt
    I'm now listening to Peter Schiff hammer the crap out of the Federal Reserve while watching that lady from the yoga pants video try on thongs.

    In 1968 The Doors were screaming about The End, they were off by about 50 years.

    Schiff calls quantitative easing a monetary roach motel -- the Fed could check in but they can't check out.

    Schiff goes on about his prediction that there would be more quantitative easings than Rocky movies.

    I don't want to see Janet Yellen in a thong, thank you very much.

    Federal funds rate is now at 2.5 percent and they're talking about cutting again.

    Yellen was talking about 4 percent as the new normal federal funds rate, and then Powell started talking about neutral rate crud. The bastards at the Federal Reserve Bank are calling it quits at 2.5 percent!

    Yellen was talking about 4 percent as the new normal federal funds rate, and then Powell started talking about neutral rate crud. The bastards at the Federal Reserve Bank are calling it quits at 2.5 percent!

    Where do you think rates should be?

  162. Caleb Cain was persuaded to believe in race realism, until he was persuaded to not believe in race realism.

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