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From the New York Times:

New York City to Ban Discrimination Based on Hair

New guidelines out this week give legal recourse to individuals who have been harassed, punished or fired because of the style of their hair.

By Stacey Stowe, Feb. 18, 2019

Under new guidelines to be released this week by the New York City Commission on Human Rights, the targeting of people based on their hair or hairstyle, at work, school or in public spaces, will now be considered racial discrimination.

The change in law applies to anyone in New York City but is aimed at remedying the disparate treatment of black people; the guidelines specifically mention the right of New Yorkers to maintain their “natural hair, treated or untreated hairstyles such as locs, cornrows, twists, braids, Bantu knots, fades, Afros, and/or the right to keep hair in an uncut or untrimmed state.”

In practice, the guidelines give legal recourse to individuals who have been harassed, threatened, punished, demoted or fired because of the texture or style of their hair. The city commission can levy penalties up to $250,000 on defendants that are found in violation of the guidelines and there is no cap on damages. The commission can also force internal policy changes and rehirings at offending institutions.

The guidelines, obtained by The New York Times before their public release, are believed to be the first of their kind in the country. They are based on the argument that hair is inherent to one’s race (and can be closely associated with “racial, ethnic, or cultural identities”) and is therefore protected under the city’s human rights laws, which outlaw discrimination on the basis of race, gender, national origin, religion and other protected classes. …

In New York, it isn’t difficult to find black women and men who can speak

I bet …

about how their hair has affected their lives in both subtle and substantial ways, ranging from veiled comments from co-workers to ultimatums from bosses to look “more professional” or find another job. …

Georbina DaRosa, who is interning to be a social worker, had her hair in box braids as she ate lunch with a colleague at Shake Shack on East 86th Street on a recent weekend afternoon. Ms. DaRosa said her hair sometimes elicited “microaggressions” from her superiors at work.

Also, somebody once asked if they could touch a black person’s hair. Under this new NYC regulation, that is a capital crime punishable by lynching.

No mention of discrimination against the bald, of course. Interestingly, there’s a racial angle to that: it’s less unfortunate for a black man to go bald (e.g., Michael Jordan) than for a white man to go bald.

 
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  1. Let’s call it “Dante’s Law.”

    • Replies: @Clifford Brown
    @Alec Leamas

    That fro, which admittedly is impressive, got de Blasio elected mayor of the most populous city in these United States.

    , @Kibernetika
    @Alec Leamas

    Ah, cool! The son of Warren Wilhelm (a.k.a., Dope of Park Slope) and the lovely, charming Chirlane McCray. God bless 'em all, lol.

    Love, as the popular song composed by Sammy Fain explains, is a many-splendo(u)red thing. Just checked my 1955 edition of the Oxford Universal Dictionary to refresh my memory... a splendo(u)rous tome, by the way.

    https://youtu.be/SCD1v5ycpmw

    Let's pray that there's never a serious #MeToo kinda movement from countries "hosting" US and NATO military bases. Who needs more nails in a post-colonial coffin.

  2. I kind of wish Medusa was real.

    • LOL: bomag
    • Replies: @Anon
    @songbird

    I suspect the fable of Medusa was invented by a Greek guy the first time he ever saw negro hair. Blacks in that era likely wore even more in the way of dreadlocks than they do nowadays.

  3. No mention of discrimination against the bald, of course.

    Baldness is probably one of the few actual targets of significant discrimination in society today.

    • Replies: @Cato
    @Anonymous


    Baldness is probably one of the few actual targets of significant discrimination in society today.
     
    Other targets: Obesity. Ugliness. Mental retardation. Being too addicted to truth to keep your mouth shut.
    , @Hail
    @Anonymous


    Baldness
     
    A tale of two early bald men:

    Stephen Miller (b. Aug 1985) is bald but by age 30 was a major presidential campaign adviser and by age 31 as in the White House as a high-placed adviser. (His influence seems to have been blunted, as defacto President Kushner doesn't see much need for him...but still.)

    Brian Stelter (b. Sept. 1985) is bald and somehow stumbled into getting his own CNN show by late 2013 (age 28). "Little" Brian Stelter's other audio-visual impairments include: Short, fat, looks like a slob, talks like a girl.

    Video footage of Brian Stelter, with commentary from M.Dice and A.Jones:
    Brian Stelter appears at 1:40:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzMfQLazmb8

    Jones provides non-sympathetic running commentary on a Stelter broadcast:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMxO0QQtzWg
  4. “Also, somebody once asked if they could touch a black person’s hair. Under this new NYC regulation, that is a capital crime punishable by lynching.”

    Podcaster Sam Roberts let’s people touch his Jewfro and he does not think it’s racist at all, but than again he is White.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Jefferson

    ITS IMPORTANT THAT BUSINESSES BE ABLE TO FIRE PEOPLE FOR INNERMOST THOUGHTS AND PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS BUT NOT BE ABLE TO ENFORCE DRESS AND GROOMING CODES AT WORK

    -awaiting moderation

  5. Anon[997] • Disclaimer says:

    $250,000?!

    This will trigger a new legal specialty. There is no shortage of chip-on-shoulder black employees. Lawyers will be taking these cases on spec, no money down.

    “[H]air is inherent to one’s race”: I was under the impression that half of black women wore wigs or massive extensions. Are those inherent to race?

    In general customer-facing jobs can be hired for based on the image that a company wants to project, with the one exception that protected classes cannot be discriminated against. So retail stores and sales organizations don’t have to hire fat or ugly people, overly shy people, overly aggressive people, people whose spoken manner is not sufficiently refined, the tattooed, and so on.

    This hair law sounds like it could be leveraged to make it impossible to not hire fat, ugly black people, since they can claim hair discrimination (I suggest body cams be worn by all white employees and management once they are miniaturized enough), and a quarter grand is enough that the insurance company will step in and force a settlement … and tell the company to never, ever refuse jobs to blacks or risk losing coverage.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @Anon


    So retail stores and sales organizations don’t have to hire fat or ugly people, overly shy people, overly aggressive people, people whose spoken manner is not sufficiently refined, the tattooed, and so on.
     
    Oh, I can see the next personal identity characteristic to get "human rights" protections.

    Harrison Bergeron is playing out in real time...
  6. @Anonymous

    No mention of discrimination against the bald, of course.
     
    Baldness is probably one of the few actual targets of significant discrimination in society today.

    Replies: @Cato, @Hail

    Baldness is probably one of the few actual targets of significant discrimination in society today.

    Other targets: Obesity. Ugliness. Mental retardation. Being too addicted to truth to keep your mouth shut.

  7. “Ms. DaRosa said her hair sometimes elicited ‘microaggressions’ from her superiors at work.”

    Who uses the word “microaggressions” these days? Except young sophists.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Prester John


    Except young sophists.
     
    When did "sophist" (basically a person who knows his academic stuff and can teach in a paid function) become something negative?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @jim jones

    , @Forbes
    @Prester John

    "Microaggression" being shorthand for "the crime of noticing."

    Ms. DaRosa has her hair in box braids, but you're not to comment upon noticing--or you're only allowed to offer enthusiastic compliments.

    In the future, along with preferred pronouns, etc., there will be preferred compliments/comments upon noticing (or not), as if a standard salutation or greeting.

    The complexity of the rules increases (and changes) with the passage of time. That which is not prohibited is required.

  8. Georbina DaRosa

    The white Georbina:


    The city commission can levy penalties up to $250,000 on defendants that are found in violation of the guidelines…

    That’s awfully severe for a “guideline”. I hate to imagine what breaking an actual law would get you.

    By the way, $250,000 is also the penalty for men who don’t register with Selective Service. I wonder how many of the young men celebrating this decision have registered themselves.

    They are based on the argument that hair is inherent to one’s race

    See how long Amou Haji lasts on 125th St.

    World’s dirtiest man hasn’t had bath in 60 years – but now he’s looking for love

    We should raise funds to fly Amou to NYC, and arrange for a Trump-friendly immigration officer to wave him in. He’d be a hit in the balcony at City Hall.

    • Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers
    @Reg Cæsar

    Betcha two men in face masks steal up behind him at two in the morning on a dark, frigid city street and pour bleach onto him. This time, we'll believe it, too. Maybe Mr. Haji will make a holy pilgrimage to the promised land of soap and potable water. ALLAHU SOAPBAR!

    , @donut
    @Reg Cæsar

    "See how long Amou Haji lasts on 125th St." As long as he wants to , I'd imagine he would have the whole block to himself .

    , @Autochthon
    @Reg Cæsar

    As long as he comes LEGALLY it's A-OK!

    On a serious note: I'm really a little surprised anyone can go that long without any kind of bathing whatsoever and not succumb to, or at the very least be suffering from, any of a host of serious infections and parasites: ringworm, lice, fleas, boils (Staphylococcus aureus), urethral bacteria like Escherichia coli, conjunctivitis....

    Even wild animals of any longevity – elephants, birds, felids, horses, wolves, etc. – bathe themselves, either with dust, mud, water, saliva, or cominations thereof, in part for this very reason.

    I think this guy is full of shit; I'll bet he'd bathed from time to time, but keeps up the never-have-I-ever business as a gimmick for publicity or perverse and phony vanity. Something like people who have "never" picked their noses, farted, masturbated, etc.

  9. locs, cornrows, twists, braids, Bantu knots, fades, Afros

    I don’t even know what most of these things are but I am guessing that they are hairstyles that are worn mostly by blacks so they are not even pretending that this is a law meant to benefit anyone but blacks.

    and/or the right to keep hair in an uncut or untrimmed state

    So you are not allowed to require your employees to be neatly groomed even if they are in customer facing jobs?

    They are based on the argument that hair is inherent to one’s race (and can be closely associated with “racial, ethnic, or cultural identities”)

    OK, that’s clearer now.. You can still require your WHITE employees to have neat hair because wild hair in whites is not attached to racial identity. But black employees can wear any damn hairstyle they like and don’t you go givin’ us any guff about it, whitey.

    Of course, this whole phenomenon of wild black hair dates back only to the 1960s. Before that, blacks tried, as best they could, to have their hair resemble white people’s.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D


    I don’t even know what most of these things are but I am guessing that they are hairstyles that are worn mostly by blacks so they are not even pretending that this is a law meant to benefit anyone but blacks.
     
    And woe betide the next Bo Derek to walk into the office with one of them.


    http://blog.salonbuzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Salon-Buzz_Bo-Derek-Cornrows-Braids.jpg

    Replies: @reactionry

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @Jack D

    I’d be surprised if anyone had a problem with black women’s braids. It’s the wigs and weaves that would seem to raise more issues.

    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    @Jack D

    "I don’t even know what most of these things are but I am guessing that they are hairstyles that are worn mostly by blacks so they are not even pretending that this is a law meant to benefit anyone but blacks."

    This is what can be identified as Affirmative Afro Action.

  10. Goodbye to NYC’s Fashion Industry

  11. What about discrimination based on Cats?

    Or Rent?

  12. Daring Do “Doo”?
    Or: The [Bee]Hive Mind?

    Wasn’t cold water thrown on the careers of Michael Jackson and Richard Pryor because of the state of their hair?

    Also, wasn’t this “doo” dangerous for a helicopter pilot or a “helicopter mother”?

    https://www.google.com/search?q=beehive+hair+do&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiG04Xe2MbgAhVRyYMKHQUkCmMQ_AUIDigB&biw=1130&bih=761#imgrc=5Zq7uxV3LsRkkM:

    Also see Hair-To-Prison-Pipeline:

    See also [email protected]

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @reactionry

    The original theater musical album from the Sixties has been nearly forgotten, displaced by the movie from 1979, but the old album sounded more authentically like a product of its era.


    https://youtu.be/w_zaSKZks1A

    , @PiltdownMan
    @reactionry

    The original theater musical album from the Sixties has been nearly forgotten, displaced by the movie from 1979, but the old album sounded more authentically like a product of its era.


    https://youtu.be/w_zaSKZks1A

    Replies: @Anon

    , @Anonymous
    @reactionry

    When I was a kid my dad was taking flying lessons and while we waited for him to come back in his rented 150, two women in skirts with high Southern beehives landed and hover-taxiied to the ramp in a Bell 47. (That's the Korean War type they show on MASH.) I was probably eight or nine and I had no idea women could fly helicopters and I said so. Everyone there thought that was funny. My mother said that sure they could, but most had more sense than to want to.

    But boy, they had big hair and how it stayed up there with the wind blast in those things I have no idea. They must have used a LOT of hair spray. That would have been in Georgia, where my dad was working for a retail chain.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @reactionry

    Treat Williams was the only saving grace of that awful movie. His gentry genes showed through.

    Carl Reiner saw Hair on Broadway and thought the theme song was catchy. He goaded the Cowsill brothers into whipping up a joke cover for a variety show skit. Instead, they went into the studio, blew the song out of the park, then slipped the acetate anonymously to WLS in Chicago, and the rest was history.

  13. @Jack D

    locs, cornrows, twists, braids, Bantu knots, fades, Afros
     
    I don't even know what most of these things are but I am guessing that they are hairstyles that are worn mostly by blacks so they are not even pretending that this is a law meant to benefit anyone but blacks.

    and/or the right to keep hair in an uncut or untrimmed state
     
    So you are not allowed to require your employees to be neatly groomed even if they are in customer facing jobs?

    They are based on the argument that hair is inherent to one’s race (and can be closely associated with “racial, ethnic, or cultural identities”)


     

    OK, that's clearer now.. You can still require your WHITE employees to have neat hair because wild hair in whites is not attached to racial identity. But black employees can wear any damn hairstyle they like and don't you go givin' us any guff about it, whitey.

    Of course, this whole phenomenon of wild black hair dates back only to the 1960s. Before that, blacks tried, as best they could, to have their hair resemble white people's.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Dave Pinsen, @MikeatMikedotMike

    I don’t even know what most of these things are but I am guessing that they are hairstyles that are worn mostly by blacks so they are not even pretending that this is a law meant to benefit anyone but blacks.

    And woe betide the next Bo Derek to walk into the office with one of them.

    • LOL: Kibernetika
    • Replies: @reactionry
    @Reg Cæsar

    Didn't she score a Perfect 10 in pilatory* appropriation?

    And woe betide a Dudley when this tide is taken at the flood-pants:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8TUWilKb6M

    See also:
    https://www.amazon.com/Clairol-Perfect-Color-002Black-Applicator/dp/B001E95GKU

    * https://www.quora.com/Is-pilatory-a-word

  14. Your hair is beautiful….tonight, tonight

    Ellie Greenwich sings backup on the album track, other tracks had Lorna Luft, the sister of Liza Minnelli.

  15. So white shoe Manhattan law firms can’t address hair in their professional dress codes.

    I wouldn’t trust a $600 per hour partner with dreads.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @TWM

    He’ll never get the client feedback needed to make partner.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Kaganovitch
    @TWM

    I wouldn’t trust a $600 per hour partner with dreads.

    600 per hour is not white shoe these days. More like double that.

  16. @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D


    I don’t even know what most of these things are but I am guessing that they are hairstyles that are worn mostly by blacks so they are not even pretending that this is a law meant to benefit anyone but blacks.
     
    And woe betide the next Bo Derek to walk into the office with one of them.


    http://blog.salonbuzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Salon-Buzz_Bo-Derek-Cornrows-Braids.jpg

    Replies: @reactionry

    Didn’t she score a Perfect 10 in pilatory* appropriation?

    And woe betide a Dudley when this tide is taken at the flood-pants:

    See also:

    * https://www.quora.com/Is-pilatory-a-word

  17. “Get a haircut, and get a real job/ clean your act up, and don’t be a slob!”

    • Replies: @South Texas Guy
    @Redneck farmer

    Good advice from Mr. Thorogood, but will fall on dumbass's deaf ears. Literally every other ethnic/racial group gets that if they want to be taken seriously, they have to look serious. Meaning long hair is fine if you're not looking for serious employment because outside of a few white collar occupations, no one will put up with it.

    I mean, if I took my wife to the ER with abdominal pain and some bro with dreadlocks came out and told he was the doc and would have to an appendectomy, I'd say, 'you know, she probably still has at least a few hours to live still, so we'll just go someplace else.'

    I could say this is solely a black problem (you can cut hair), but whites and Hispanics have a huge tattoo problem. I mean honestly, unless you're affiliated with the Yakuza, having those shirt-sleeve tattoos is just stupid.

    Replies: @SimpleSong

  18. This will do wonders for the tourism industry in New York. Now visitors can be served by surly and unkempt staff.

  19. @Alec Leamas
    Let's call it "Dante's Law."

    https://assets.dnainfo.com/generated/photo/2013/08/dante-de-blasio-13766042276168.jpg/extralarge.jpg

    Replies: @Clifford Brown, @Kibernetika

    That fro, which admittedly is impressive, got de Blasio elected mayor of the most populous city in these United States.

  20. @Alec Leamas
    Let's call it "Dante's Law."

    https://assets.dnainfo.com/generated/photo/2013/08/dante-de-blasio-13766042276168.jpg/extralarge.jpg

    Replies: @Clifford Brown, @Kibernetika

    Ah, cool! The son of Warren Wilhelm (a.k.a., Dope of Park Slope) and the lovely, charming Chirlane McCray. God bless ’em all, lol.

    Love, as the popular song composed by Sammy Fain explains, is a many-splendo(u)red thing. Just checked my 1955 edition of the Oxford Universal Dictionary to refresh my memory… a splendo(u)rous tome, by the way.

    Let’s pray that there’s never a serious #MeToo kinda movement from countries “hosting” US and NATO military bases. Who needs more nails in a post-colonial coffin.

  21. These “human rights” commissions seem to be outside of the legal system. How can a “commission”, not a court, levy such a fine and award uncapped damages? How can they force a company to hire? Is a defendant entitled to a jury, to counsel, to the rules of evidence, to an appeal? Is there a statute of limitations on this “crime” or tort or whatever it is. Can a New York lawyer explain this? Can a city “commission” really wield this kind of power constitutionally?

    • Replies: @anon1
    @Ibound1

    You should see it here in Canada. Our "human rights" tribunals are medieval star chambers. A true farce.

    Btw, what the devil is "box braids"? And who are all these phantom white people wanting to touch the hair of black people? I have never had the slightest desire to do such a thing or know of anyone else who wanted to.

  22. “locs, cornrows, twists, braids, Bantu knots, fades, Afro…”

    “Box braids?”

    Franz Boas was looking in the wrong place. Blacks have a hundred words to describe ‘wool.’

  23. @Reg Cæsar

    Georbina DaRosa
     
    The white Georbina:


    https://rlv.zcache.com/zippys_occasional_spouse_zerbina_statuette-ra237c5a327af4b238981e6522ac2e6d7_x7saw_8byvr_261.jpg?rvtype=content


    https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/5KwAAOSwcdRY88B-/s-l300.jpg


    The city commission can levy penalties up to $250,000 on defendants that are found in violation of the guidelines...
     
    That's awfully severe for a "guideline". I hate to imagine what breaking an actual law would get you.

    By the way, $250,000 is also the penalty for men who don't register with Selective Service. I wonder how many of the young men celebrating this decision have registered themselves.


    They are based on the argument that hair is inherent to one’s race
     
    See how long Amou Haji lasts on 125th St.

    World's dirtiest man hasn't had bath in 60 years - but now he's looking for love


    https://i2-prod.irishmirror.ie/incoming/article3024830.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/Amou-Haji2.jpg


    We should raise funds to fly Amou to NYC, and arrange for a Trump-friendly immigration officer to wave him in. He'd be a hit in the balcony at City Hall.

    Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers, @donut, @Autochthon

    Betcha two men in face masks steal up behind him at two in the morning on a dark, frigid city street and pour bleach onto him. This time, we’ll believe it, too. Maybe Mr. Haji will make a holy pilgrimage to the promised land of soap and potable water. ALLAHU SOAPBAR!

    • LOL: Dtbb
  24. Yet another of the many bullets dodged by Amazon.

  25. Another draconian solution to an imaginary problem.

  26. @Redneck farmer
    "Get a haircut, and get a real job/ clean your act up, and don't be a slob!"

    Replies: @South Texas Guy

    Good advice from Mr. Thorogood, but will fall on dumbass’s deaf ears. Literally every other ethnic/racial group gets that if they want to be taken seriously, they have to look serious. Meaning long hair is fine if you’re not looking for serious employment because outside of a few white collar occupations, no one will put up with it.

    I mean, if I took my wife to the ER with abdominal pain and some bro with dreadlocks came out and told he was the doc and would have to an appendectomy, I’d say, ‘you know, she probably still has at least a few hours to live still, so we’ll just go someplace else.’

    I could say this is solely a black problem (you can cut hair), but whites and Hispanics have a huge tattoo problem. I mean honestly, unless you’re affiliated with the Yakuza, having those shirt-sleeve tattoos is just stupid.

    • Replies: @SimpleSong
    @South Texas Guy

    Ugh tatoos. And piercings. And blue hair. Can't stand it. Can't stand it when people intentionally spread ugliness around.

    Maybe all this self expression is good; you can figure out a lot about a person without even needing to talk to them.

  27. The NY Yankees famously have a policy of its players having well groomed hair and having no beards (think of Johnny Damon on Boston Red Sox vs. Johnny Damon on the NY Yankees). I wonder if this city edict will be applied to the Yankees.

    It probably is time for the Yankees to become woke. This is the Current Year, you know!

  28. In the New York City of fifty years ago, the response to widespread hairgression was a Broadway show. Today, it’s legislation.

  29. @Jack D

    locs, cornrows, twists, braids, Bantu knots, fades, Afros
     
    I don't even know what most of these things are but I am guessing that they are hairstyles that are worn mostly by blacks so they are not even pretending that this is a law meant to benefit anyone but blacks.

    and/or the right to keep hair in an uncut or untrimmed state
     
    So you are not allowed to require your employees to be neatly groomed even if they are in customer facing jobs?

    They are based on the argument that hair is inherent to one’s race (and can be closely associated with “racial, ethnic, or cultural identities”)


     

    OK, that's clearer now.. You can still require your WHITE employees to have neat hair because wild hair in whites is not attached to racial identity. But black employees can wear any damn hairstyle they like and don't you go givin' us any guff about it, whitey.

    Of course, this whole phenomenon of wild black hair dates back only to the 1960s. Before that, blacks tried, as best they could, to have their hair resemble white people's.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Dave Pinsen, @MikeatMikedotMike

    I’d be surprised if anyone had a problem with black women’s braids. It’s the wigs and weaves that would seem to raise more issues.

  30. @Jack D

    locs, cornrows, twists, braids, Bantu knots, fades, Afros
     
    I don't even know what most of these things are but I am guessing that they are hairstyles that are worn mostly by blacks so they are not even pretending that this is a law meant to benefit anyone but blacks.

    and/or the right to keep hair in an uncut or untrimmed state
     
    So you are not allowed to require your employees to be neatly groomed even if they are in customer facing jobs?

    They are based on the argument that hair is inherent to one’s race (and can be closely associated with “racial, ethnic, or cultural identities”)


     

    OK, that's clearer now.. You can still require your WHITE employees to have neat hair because wild hair in whites is not attached to racial identity. But black employees can wear any damn hairstyle they like and don't you go givin' us any guff about it, whitey.

    Of course, this whole phenomenon of wild black hair dates back only to the 1960s. Before that, blacks tried, as best they could, to have their hair resemble white people's.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Dave Pinsen, @MikeatMikedotMike

    “I don’t even know what most of these things are but I am guessing that they are hairstyles that are worn mostly by blacks so they are not even pretending that this is a law meant to benefit anyone but blacks.”

    This is what can be identified as Affirmative Afro Action.

  31. @TWM
    So white shoe Manhattan law firms can’t address hair in their professional dress codes.

    I wouldn’t trust a $600 per hour partner with dreads.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Kaganovitch

    He’ll never get the client feedback needed to make partner.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @PiltdownMan


    He’ll never get the client feedback needed to make partner.
     
    It's no longer "partner". They can get married now.
  32. @Ibound1
    These “human rights” commissions seem to be outside of the legal system. How can a “commission”, not a court, levy such a fine and award uncapped damages? How can they force a company to hire? Is a defendant entitled to a jury, to counsel, to the rules of evidence, to an appeal? Is there a statute of limitations on this “crime” or tort or whatever it is. Can a New York lawyer explain this? Can a city “commission” really wield this kind of power constitutionally?

    Replies: @anon1

    You should see it here in Canada. Our “human rights” tribunals are medieval star chambers. A true farce.

    Btw, what the devil is “box braids”? And who are all these phantom white people wanting to touch the hair of black people? I have never had the slightest desire to do such a thing or know of anyone else who wanted to.

  33. @reactionry
    Daring Do "Doo"?
    Or: The [Bee]Hive Mind?

    Wasn't cold water thrown on the careers of Michael Jackson and Richard Pryor because of the state of their hair?

    Also, wasn't this "doo" dangerous for a helicopter pilot or a "helicopter mother"?

    https://www.google.com/search?q=beehive+hair+do&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiG04Xe2MbgAhVRyYMKHQUkCmMQ_AUIDigB&biw=1130&bih=761#imgrc=5Zq7uxV3LsRkkM:

    Also see Hair-To-Prison-Pipeline:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgrIAIHTho8

    See also [email protected]

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @PiltdownMan, @Anonymous, @Reg Cæsar

    The original theater musical album from the Sixties has been nearly forgotten, displaced by the movie from 1979, but the old album sounded more authentically like a product of its era.

  34. @reactionry
    Daring Do "Doo"?
    Or: The [Bee]Hive Mind?

    Wasn't cold water thrown on the careers of Michael Jackson and Richard Pryor because of the state of their hair?

    Also, wasn't this "doo" dangerous for a helicopter pilot or a "helicopter mother"?

    https://www.google.com/search?q=beehive+hair+do&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiG04Xe2MbgAhVRyYMKHQUkCmMQ_AUIDigB&biw=1130&bih=761#imgrc=5Zq7uxV3LsRkkM:

    Also see Hair-To-Prison-Pipeline:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgrIAIHTho8

    See also [email protected]

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @PiltdownMan, @Anonymous, @Reg Cæsar

    The original theater musical album from the Sixties has been nearly forgotten, displaced by the movie from 1979, but the old album sounded more authentically like a product of its era.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @PiltdownMan

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P2p_4ftJjE

  35. @South Texas Guy
    @Redneck farmer

    Good advice from Mr. Thorogood, but will fall on dumbass's deaf ears. Literally every other ethnic/racial group gets that if they want to be taken seriously, they have to look serious. Meaning long hair is fine if you're not looking for serious employment because outside of a few white collar occupations, no one will put up with it.

    I mean, if I took my wife to the ER with abdominal pain and some bro with dreadlocks came out and told he was the doc and would have to an appendectomy, I'd say, 'you know, she probably still has at least a few hours to live still, so we'll just go someplace else.'

    I could say this is solely a black problem (you can cut hair), but whites and Hispanics have a huge tattoo problem. I mean honestly, unless you're affiliated with the Yakuza, having those shirt-sleeve tattoos is just stupid.

    Replies: @SimpleSong

    Ugh tatoos. And piercings. And blue hair. Can’t stand it. Can’t stand it when people intentionally spread ugliness around.

    Maybe all this self expression is good; you can figure out a lot about a person without even needing to talk to them.

  36. New York seems very very confident that they will never become like Detroit or Philadelphia.

    Very confident.

    Best of luck!

    Not like they’ve ever had a near death experience before (cough) Ford to city: drop dead (cough).

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @SimpleSong

    Kaiser Wilhelm is doing his best. I give him credit, he didn't do much damage his first term...

  37. New guidelines out this week give legal recourse to individuals who have been harassed, punished or fired because of the style of their hair.

    […]

    locs, cornrows, twists, braids, Bantu knots, fades, Afros

    So if a white person gets one of these hairstyles he or she can get legal protection against being harassed about cultural appropriation?

  38. @Anonymous

    No mention of discrimination against the bald, of course.
     
    Baldness is probably one of the few actual targets of significant discrimination in society today.

    Replies: @Cato, @Hail

    Baldness

    A tale of two early bald men:

    Stephen Miller (b. Aug 1985) is bald but by age 30 was a major presidential campaign adviser and by age 31 as in the White House as a high-placed adviser. (His influence seems to have been blunted, as defacto President Kushner doesn’t see much need for him…but still.)

    Brian Stelter (b. Sept. 1985) is bald and somehow stumbled into getting his own CNN show by late 2013 (age 28). “Little” Brian Stelter’s other audio-visual impairments include: Short, fat, looks like a slob, talks like a girl.

    Video footage of Brian Stelter, with commentary from M.Dice and A.Jones:

    [MORE]

    Brian Stelter appears at 1:40:

    Jones provides non-sympathetic running commentary on a Stelter broadcast:

  39. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @reactionry
    Daring Do "Doo"?
    Or: The [Bee]Hive Mind?

    Wasn't cold water thrown on the careers of Michael Jackson and Richard Pryor because of the state of their hair?

    Also, wasn't this "doo" dangerous for a helicopter pilot or a "helicopter mother"?

    https://www.google.com/search?q=beehive+hair+do&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiG04Xe2MbgAhVRyYMKHQUkCmMQ_AUIDigB&biw=1130&bih=761#imgrc=5Zq7uxV3LsRkkM:

    Also see Hair-To-Prison-Pipeline:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgrIAIHTho8

    See also [email protected]

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @PiltdownMan, @Anonymous, @Reg Cæsar

    When I was a kid my dad was taking flying lessons and while we waited for him to come back in his rented 150, two women in skirts with high Southern beehives landed and hover-taxiied to the ramp in a Bell 47. (That’s the Korean War type they show on MASH.) I was probably eight or nine and I had no idea women could fly helicopters and I said so. Everyone there thought that was funny. My mother said that sure they could, but most had more sense than to want to.

    But boy, they had big hair and how it stayed up there with the wind blast in those things I have no idea. They must have used a LOT of hair spray. That would have been in Georgia, where my dad was working for a retail chain.

  40. @PiltdownMan
    @reactionry

    The original theater musical album from the Sixties has been nearly forgotten, displaced by the movie from 1979, but the old album sounded more authentically like a product of its era.


    https://youtu.be/w_zaSKZks1A

    Replies: @Anon

  41. Here’s Larry David telling a “bald” black cop that he is not really a member of “the bald community”:

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Tom Scarlett

    Thanks.

  42. @Tom Scarlett
    Here's Larry David telling a "bald" black cop that he is not really a member of "the bald community":
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQCVf7AnXNY

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Thanks.

  43. Hair, and why bald men are uptight:

  44. There’s always conking.

    Shorty soon decided that my hair was finally long enough to be conked. He had promised to school me in how to beat the barbershops’ three- and four-dollar price by making up congolene and then conking ourselves.
    I took the little list of ingredients he had printed out for me and went to a grocery store, where I got a can of Red Devil lye, two eggs, and two medium-sized white potatoes. Then at a drugstore near the poolroom, I asked for a large jar of Vaseline, a large bar of soap, a largetoothed comb and a fine-toothed comb, one of those rubber hoses with a metal sprayhead, a rubber apron, and a pair of gloves.
    “Going to lay on that first conk?” the drugstore man asked me. I proudly told him, grinning,“Right!”
    Shorty… peeled the potatoes and thin-sliced them into a quart-sized Mason fruit jar, then started stirring them with a wooden spoon as he gradually poured in a little over half the can of lye. A jellylike, starchy-looking glop resulted from the lye and potatoes, and Shorty broke in the two eggs, stirring real fast—his own conk and dark face bent down close. The congolene turned pale yellowish.
    “Feel the jar,” Shorty said. I cupped my hand against the outside andsnatched it away. “Damn right, it’s hot, that’s the lye,” he said. “So you know it’s going to burn when I comb it in—it burns bad. Butvthe longer you can stand it, the straighter the hair.”
    He made me sit down, and he tied the string of the new rubber apron tightly around my neck and combed up my bush of hair. Then, from the big Vaseline jar, he took a handful and massaged it hard all through my hair and into the scalp. He also thickly Vaselined my neck, ears, and forehead. “When I get to washing out your head, be sure to tell me anywhere you feel any little stinging,” Shorty warned me, washing his hands, then pulling on the rubber gloves and tying on his own rubber apron. “You always got to remember that any congolene left in burns a sore into your head.”
    The congolene just felt warm when Shorty started combing it in. But then my head caught fire. I gritted my teeth and tried to pull the sides of the kitchen table together. The comb felt as if it was raking my skin off. My eyes watered, my nose was running. I couldn’t stand it any longer; I bolted to the washbasin. I was cursing Shorty with every name I could think of when he got the spray going and started soap-lathering my head…

    My first view in the mirror blotted out the hurting. I’d seen some pretty conks, but when it’s the first time, on your own head, the transformation, after the lifetime of kinks, is staggering. The mirror reflected Shorty behind me. We both were grinning and sweating. And on top of my head was this thick, smooth sheen of shining red hair—real red—as straight as any white man’s.

    The Autobiography of Malcom X

  45. @reactionry
    Daring Do "Doo"?
    Or: The [Bee]Hive Mind?

    Wasn't cold water thrown on the careers of Michael Jackson and Richard Pryor because of the state of their hair?

    Also, wasn't this "doo" dangerous for a helicopter pilot or a "helicopter mother"?

    https://www.google.com/search?q=beehive+hair+do&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiG04Xe2MbgAhVRyYMKHQUkCmMQ_AUIDigB&biw=1130&bih=761#imgrc=5Zq7uxV3LsRkkM:

    Also see Hair-To-Prison-Pipeline:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgrIAIHTho8

    See also [email protected]

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @PiltdownMan, @Anonymous, @Reg Cæsar

    Treat Williams was the only saving grace of that awful movie. His gentry genes showed through.

    Carl Reiner saw Hair on Broadway and thought the theme song was catchy. He goaded the Cowsill brothers into whipping up a joke cover for a variety show skit. Instead, they went into the studio, blew the song out of the park, then slipped the acetate anonymously to WLS in Chicago, and the rest was history.

  46. @PiltdownMan
    @TWM

    He’ll never get the client feedback needed to make partner.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    He’ll never get the client feedback needed to make partner.

    It’s no longer “partner”. They can get married now.

  47. Does this hair discrimination initiative include white guys with retro quiffs?

  48. Georbina DaRosa three and a bit years ago:

    https://www.hercampus.com/school/conn-coll/campus-celeb-georbina-darosa

    Nothing special, just the sort of vapid bullshit you’d expect, though perhaps she is more snippy and confrontational now.

  49. @Prester John
    "Ms. DaRosa said her hair sometimes elicited 'microaggressions' from her superiors at work."

    Who uses the word "microaggressions" these days? Except young sophists.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Forbes

    Except young sophists.

    When did “sophist” (basically a person who knows his academic stuff and can teach in a paid function) become something negative?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @El Dato

    400 BC, with Socrates and Plato?

    Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is...

    , @jim jones
    @El Dato

    The Z Man has a post up on sophistry:

    http://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=16493

  50. @El Dato
    @Prester John


    Except young sophists.
     
    When did "sophist" (basically a person who knows his academic stuff and can teach in a paid function) become something negative?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @jim jones

    400 BC, with Socrates and Plato?

    • Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is...
    @Steve Sailer

    LOL. Yes. I'm currently in the middle of all that Plato, Socrates. And they did despise them some sophists. Kind of like how Saint Augustine viewed actors.

  51. Hair isn’t their strong suit. I don’t see the big deal. They have great teeth.

  52. “… that is a capital crime punishable by lynching.”

    It is not lynching when the execution is done by the state under colour of law.

  53. @Reg Cæsar

    Georbina DaRosa
     
    The white Georbina:


    https://rlv.zcache.com/zippys_occasional_spouse_zerbina_statuette-ra237c5a327af4b238981e6522ac2e6d7_x7saw_8byvr_261.jpg?rvtype=content


    https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/5KwAAOSwcdRY88B-/s-l300.jpg


    The city commission can levy penalties up to $250,000 on defendants that are found in violation of the guidelines...
     
    That's awfully severe for a "guideline". I hate to imagine what breaking an actual law would get you.

    By the way, $250,000 is also the penalty for men who don't register with Selective Service. I wonder how many of the young men celebrating this decision have registered themselves.


    They are based on the argument that hair is inherent to one’s race
     
    See how long Amou Haji lasts on 125th St.

    World's dirtiest man hasn't had bath in 60 years - but now he's looking for love


    https://i2-prod.irishmirror.ie/incoming/article3024830.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/Amou-Haji2.jpg


    We should raise funds to fly Amou to NYC, and arrange for a Trump-friendly immigration officer to wave him in. He'd be a hit in the balcony at City Hall.

    Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers, @donut, @Autochthon

    “See how long Amou Haji lasts on 125th St.” As long as he wants to , I’d imagine he would have the whole block to himself .

  54. @El Dato
    @Prester John


    Except young sophists.
     
    When did "sophist" (basically a person who knows his academic stuff and can teach in a paid function) become something negative?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @jim jones

    The Z Man has a post up on sophistry:

    http://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=16493

  55. Hoo boy. I bet this is going to result in a hilarious case of unintended consequences.

    See, they say it’s all about black people. But black people are famously obsessive and fastidious about their hair. I somehow doubt there is an epidemic of hair discrimination against black people, unless it’s from other blacks. No non-black person wants to get black people started on their hair, because they know they’ll never hear the end of it.

    By contrast, going about in public with nasty, disgusting hair is a white punk/hipster/Eurotrash thing. I bet nearly every single person in New York who can show provable, unambiguous “discrimination” due to their hair is a white doofus with neck tattoos and multiple piercings.

  56. So can restaurants still require food handlers to wear hats or hair nets?

    Are operation room staff still required to cover their hair?

    Who is to blame if one of these long haired idiots gets his braids caught in some type of rotary tool that rips off his scalp?

    Does this cover beards? If so, can an employer still require an employee to be clean shaven in order for safety equipment to work/seal properly?

  57. This is one of those laws employers will avoid, like they do the ADEA, by just never hiring potential plaintiffs in the first place, and they can do so because the proof-problems are all but insurmountable, since they will alswaya have a million and one other credible reasons ready for why another candidate was more qualified. Statistical nonsense about inequality of outcomes raising presumptiona won’t be easy to apply because so few people have preposterous hairstyles.

    Those harmed will be employers who already have employees who can’t wait to milk the new system, because those employers’ custom will suffer. Can anyone imagine being greeted by any of the people photographed above, as the staff of a restaurant, a medical clinic, an accountant’s office, a private school, a funeral home, or whatever other business you may mention wherein the least import at all is placed upon the competence and dignity of its employees, and not immediately leaving to take one’s business elsewhere?

  58. @Jefferson
    "Also, somebody once asked if they could touch a black person’s hair. Under this new NYC regulation, that is a capital crime punishable by lynching."



    Podcaster Sam Roberts let's people touch his Jewfro and he does not think it's racist at all, but than again he is White.

    Replies: @anon

    ITS IMPORTANT THAT BUSINESSES BE ABLE TO FIRE PEOPLE FOR INNERMOST THOUGHTS AND PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS BUT NOT BE ABLE TO ENFORCE DRESS AND GROOMING CODES AT WORK

    -awaiting moderation

  59. @Steve Sailer
    @El Dato

    400 BC, with Socrates and Plato?

    Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is...

    LOL. Yes. I’m currently in the middle of all that Plato, Socrates. And they did despise them some sophists. Kind of like how Saint Augustine viewed actors.

  60. @Reg Cæsar

    Georbina DaRosa
     
    The white Georbina:


    https://rlv.zcache.com/zippys_occasional_spouse_zerbina_statuette-ra237c5a327af4b238981e6522ac2e6d7_x7saw_8byvr_261.jpg?rvtype=content


    https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/5KwAAOSwcdRY88B-/s-l300.jpg


    The city commission can levy penalties up to $250,000 on defendants that are found in violation of the guidelines...
     
    That's awfully severe for a "guideline". I hate to imagine what breaking an actual law would get you.

    By the way, $250,000 is also the penalty for men who don't register with Selective Service. I wonder how many of the young men celebrating this decision have registered themselves.


    They are based on the argument that hair is inherent to one’s race
     
    See how long Amou Haji lasts on 125th St.

    World's dirtiest man hasn't had bath in 60 years - but now he's looking for love


    https://i2-prod.irishmirror.ie/incoming/article3024830.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/Amou-Haji2.jpg


    We should raise funds to fly Amou to NYC, and arrange for a Trump-friendly immigration officer to wave him in. He'd be a hit in the balcony at City Hall.

    Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers, @donut, @Autochthon

    As long as he comes LEGALLY it’s A-OK!

    On a serious note: I’m really a little surprised anyone can go that long without any kind of bathing whatsoever and not succumb to, or at the very least be suffering from, any of a host of serious infections and parasites: ringworm, lice, fleas, boils (Staphylococcus aureus), urethral bacteria like Escherichia coli, conjunctivitis….

    Even wild animals of any longevity – elephants, birds, felids, horses, wolves, etc. – bathe themselves, either with dust, mud, water, saliva, or cominations thereof, in part for this very reason.

    I think this guy is full of shit; I’ll bet he’d bathed from time to time, but keeps up the never-have-I-ever business as a gimmick for publicity or perverse and phony vanity. Something like people who have “never” picked their noses, farted, masturbated, etc.

  61. Probably off topic but HondaJet was fined for refusing to consider certain non-U.S. citizens for jobs despite their legal right to work in the US. Apparently, the Japanese management assumed common sense Japanese rules would apply in the US.

    Honda Aircraft fined $45K for citizenship job requirements

    The Justice Department said last week the Greensboro, North Carolina, company published at least 25 job postings between 2015 and 2016 that illegally required a citizenship status that ruled out refugees and others. The government says Honda Aircraft misunderstood requirements for its employees.

    https://www.heraldonline.com/news/business/article225546650.html

  62. @TWM
    So white shoe Manhattan law firms can’t address hair in their professional dress codes.

    I wouldn’t trust a $600 per hour partner with dreads.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Kaganovitch

    I wouldn’t trust a $600 per hour partner with dreads.

    600 per hour is not white shoe these days. More like double that.

  63. The use of the word “hair” in this context is a misnomer. What an unmixed negro has on its head is wool, not hair.

  64. @Anon
    $250,000?!

    This will trigger a new legal specialty. There is no shortage of chip-on-shoulder black employees. Lawyers will be taking these cases on spec, no money down.

    "[H]air is inherent to one’s race": I was under the impression that half of black women wore wigs or massive extensions. Are those inherent to race?

    In general customer-facing jobs can be hired for based on the image that a company wants to project, with the one exception that protected classes cannot be discriminated against. So retail stores and sales organizations don't have to hire fat or ugly people, overly shy people, overly aggressive people, people whose spoken manner is not sufficiently refined, the tattooed, and so on.

    This hair law sounds like it could be leveraged to make it impossible to not hire fat, ugly black people, since they can claim hair discrimination (I suggest body cams be worn by all white employees and management once they are miniaturized enough), and a quarter grand is enough that the insurance company will step in and force a settlement ... and tell the company to never, ever refuse jobs to blacks or risk losing coverage.

    Replies: @Forbes

    So retail stores and sales organizations don’t have to hire fat or ugly people, overly shy people, overly aggressive people, people whose spoken manner is not sufficiently refined, the tattooed, and so on.

    Oh, I can see the next personal identity characteristic to get “human rights” protections.

    Harrison Bergeron is playing out in real time…

  65. @Prester John
    "Ms. DaRosa said her hair sometimes elicited 'microaggressions' from her superiors at work."

    Who uses the word "microaggressions" these days? Except young sophists.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Forbes

    “Microaggression” being shorthand for “the crime of noticing.”

    Ms. DaRosa has her hair in box braids, but you’re not to comment upon noticing–or you’re only allowed to offer enthusiastic compliments.

    In the future, along with preferred pronouns, etc., there will be preferred compliments/comments upon noticing (or not), as if a standard salutation or greeting.

    The complexity of the rules increases (and changes) with the passage of time. That which is not prohibited is required.

  66. @SimpleSong
    New York seems very very confident that they will never become like Detroit or Philadelphia.

    Very confident.

    Best of luck!

    Not like they've ever had a near death experience before (cough) Ford to city: drop dead (cough).

    Replies: @Forbes

    Kaiser Wilhelm is doing his best. I give him credit, he didn’t do much damage his first term…

  67. @songbird
    I kind of wish Medusa was real.

    Replies: @Anon

    I suspect the fable of Medusa was invented by a Greek guy the first time he ever saw negro hair. Blacks in that era likely wore even more in the way of dreadlocks than they do nowadays.

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