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The Israeli government appears to be declaring that it has been spying on the President of the United States. From Newsweek:

Ambassador Ron Dermer went one step further, asserting that Israel would share the intelligence it has with the incoming U.S. administration on how President Obama is directly responsible for the passing of the resolution.

An Israeli ambassador publicly proclaiming that Israel is collecting intelligence on any American president is simply astounding. …

Netanyahu, in his response [to Kerry’s speech], had to go on the offensive against the Obama administration one last time by saying:

“We have it on absolute, incontestable evidence that the United States organized, advanced and brought this resolution to the U.N.S.C. We will share this information with the incoming administration, some of it is sensitive, it’s all true.”

There’s nothing surprising about the news that Israel spies on the U.S. government. But the source of this news is pretty funny. In an era when pretty much everybody in America has learned the lesson Carl Cameron of Fox was taught back in 2001 when he did a four part series on Israeli spying in the U.S. that got quickly memory holed — Don’t mention the Israeli espionage — it’s amusing that it’s Bibi and Dermer who are bringing it up.

 
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  1. • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Anon

    Alexis Ohanian is 6'5" (though he's skinny, so he might weigh the same as Serena).

  2. Israel faces bill after Mossad agents get stuck in the mud!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @FKA Max

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/newzealand/8649223/Mossad-spy-ring-unearthed-because-of-Christchurch-earthquake.html

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/28/netanyahu-told-new-zealand-backing-un-vote-would-be-declaration-of-war

  3. It wouldn’t surprise me, but it’s not necessarily true, and probably isn’t true in this case. For example, Obama phones the Egyptian president to discuss passing the resolution. The Israelis spy the hell out of the Egyptian president’s communications, and pick up the Obama call.

    That’s the most likely explanation in this instance. If they’re planning on sharing intelligence on the matter with the US then they’re not going to blow their US spying sources and methods with the US security services.

    The Obama bots have been lying through their teeth on the UN resolution so it shouldn’t take much in the way of sophisticated intelligence sources to prove it. Hilariously they denied as a “total fabrication” the existence a meeting between Kerry and a Palestinian that was listed on Kerry’s official schedule.

    http://freebeacon.com/national-security/white-house-defense-exposed-architect-anti-israel-u-n-action/

    It’s not unlikely that the Israelis were feeding some of the info in the article to the press, eg the Biden call to the Ukrainian president.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
    @Boomstick

    Why would Obama phone the Egyptian President about the resolution? There would be little reason to do so. Egypt didn't author the resolution and isn't on the Security Council. It's common knowledge that the Israelis have probably bugged the President of Egypt's phone, so Obama wouldn't run the risk of telling anything he didn't want the Israelis to hear over the phone to the President of Egypt.

    Replies: @Not Raul

  4. Really, you can’t think of any other way the Israelis could have gotten the information? If the fbi has proof that Joe Blow is plotting with the splc because they are monitoring the splc, does that mean they are spying on Joe? No, because they were monitoring the splc when Joe called to set up the meeting and had the splc offices bugged.

    Israel would be nuts not to be monitoring Hamas, et al. The US like amateurs coordinated with the terrorists while the Israelis were monitoring the terrorists it’s that simple. If you called Hamas to get a interview over the phone or email who are they monitoring you or Hamas?

  5. So 2016 has seen, among other things:

    – the US government release intelligence pointing to Saudi government and royal family involvement in the September 11 attacks;

    – a Saudi newspaper responding to this by blaming the US government for the attacks;

    – the Israelis admitting that they spy not only on the US, but on the US president.

    2017 is shaping up to be a cracker.

  6. Israel has been spying on the US for decades.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Realist


    Israel has been spying on the US for decades.
     
    Yup. Like back in the 90s, when they intercepted Clinton's calls and tried to blackmail him with it.

    Replies: @hooodathunkit

  7. @Anon
    http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/29/entertainment/serena-williams-engaged-alexis-ohanian/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERCzN91JicA

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    Alexis Ohanian is 6’5″ (though he’s skinny, so he might weigh the same as Serena).

  8. Surely there is no one in the current White House or DOS who would LEAK information to PEOTUS’ close friends? Surely not. I mean, that might help said leaker avoid 8 years of unemployment and enforced dating-pool’ing-with-Michelle-esque circle of women. You know how it worked out for Huma to trust HRC to make the shidduch,

    Let’s make a deal, iSteve. You continue to play dumb, and we’ll send a carpenter down from Tarzana in a coupla years. No need to make your wife wait another decade to get a new kitchen

    Tell you what. It was mentioned to me that there’s this French juif who has a nice resort property in Cannes. Currently doing the “Boeing Aliyah” schtick.

    He’s got this daughter that’s semi-wheelchair bound but wants to enlist so she can get her OWN Veteran’s ID. What you guys call a DD-214.

    Well, there actually isn’t any more empty chairs this year, in the “Special in Uniform” program. But maybe I can wheeler-dealer her into the program, and you into the house on some Life Estate papers.

    You might recall when the Command Master Chief to CinCPAC Himself made the deal that got that E-2 US Marine out of a 40-year prison sentence in Manila for rape in Subic….. the girl not only got a US Visa, but the CMC set her up with a O-4 husband in 29 Palms. Now THAT’s a lifetime of some rather large remittances back to mom & dad in the province….

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    @Karl


    You might recall when the Command Master Chief to CinCPAC Himself made the deal that got that E-2 US Marine out of a 40-year prison sentence in Manila for rape in Subic….. the girl not only got a US Visa, but the CMC set her up with a O-4 husband in 29 Palms. Now THAT’s a lifetime of some rather large remittances back to mom & dad in the province….
     
    Isn't a fiancee visa (and a green card upon marriage stateside) pretty much automatic for foreign SO's of gainfully-employed American citizens? The rumor at the time was that Suzette Nicolas trumped up the rape accusation because she got drunk and had a one-night stand with a Marine who was not her betrothed. The rape charge was just an excuse to cover up her indiscretion.
  9. Anonymous [AKA "konshtok"] says:

    Oh those sinister jews

    even leaving aside the transcripts from the kerry arikat meetings released by the EGYPTIANS
    Has it occurred to you that the israelis just ASKED the countries in the UNSC about it?
    No “spying on the americans” involved
    this seems to be what happened with ukraine

  10. “We have it on absolute, incontestable evidence that the United States organized, advanced and brought this resolution to the U.N.S.C.”

    By Jehova! The US did something without our imprimatur!! That. Just. Won’t. Do.

    Did Israel declare war on NZ yet? NZ is in dire straits NOW, they don’t even have nukes…

    • Replies: @Not Raul
    @El Dato

    Also a declaration of war on Obama for abstaining; but no declaration of war on Putin or Xi for voting yes.

    Bibi isn't upset because the resolution will change anything on the ground -- the resolution is consistent with decades of US policy -- Bibi is upset because he thought he owned us.

    , @utu
    @El Dato

    "Did Israel declare war on NZ yet?"

    Did Mossad sabotage airplane of Prime Minister Clark?

    Apr 14, 2005 Aircraft failure leaves Clark bruised and shaken
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10120387

    "The prime minister of New Zealand angrily denounced Israel and imposed diplomatic sanctions on it after two suspected Mossad agents were jailed for six months for trying on false grounds to obtain a New Zealand passport."
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/jul/16/israel

    2004 Israel–New Zealand passport scandal
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Israel%E2%80%93New_Zealand_passport_scandal

  11. The blatant Israeli control of the US government may be the single most remarkable political phenomenon world history. I mean, militarily there is simply no match. The US could kill every person in Israel in about five minutes at the cost of like 0.0001% of our GDP and with zero US casualties. Or we could invade them, at the cost minimal US blood and fiat currency, and literally no one would come to their defense. But they openly run our foreign policy.

    • Agree: BB753
    • Replies: @Karl
    @AndrewR

    > Or we could invade them, at the cost minimal US blood

    you couldnt even do that against the VietCong.

    Oh wait.... you're saying that 16 years of democrat national leadership, has improve the quality of recruits to the US military?

  12. This is mere defection. Israel is the only state where the interests of the most persecuted minority in history are taken into account

    Russia is a white Christian nation that hacked the election. To not defy Russia and agree with Obama makes you a traitor

    • Troll: IHTG
    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @Tiny Duck

    Are you supporting the God-Emperor Trump now? Bibi of the most persecuted minority is!

    , @Gabriel M
    @Tiny Duck

    This, by the way, is the real tell that Tiny Duck is an alt-right troll and not an actual SJW. No doubt, however, the alt-right brain trust will be using him as further *proof* of Jewish hypocrisy.

  13. Why would Israel give a damn about the U.N. resolution anyway? It’s not like they’re going to tear down their settlements now.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
    @Federalist

    Exactly. The resolution changes neither decades of US policy nor facts on the ground.

    Bibi is merely playing this up for domestic political consumption. And having a hissy fit.

    , @NOTA
    @Federalist

    Remember the example of South Africa. With enough international pressure, it could become very difficult for Israel to continue its policies toward the Palestinians. Sanctions, restrictions on financial transactions, boycotts and divestment, hassles for Israeli politicians abroad--all that stuff could seriously constrain their policies w.r.t. the Palestinians going forward. They have every incentive to push back on this as hard as they can.

    It's instructive *when* the Obama administration did this--after Obama no longer had to worry about keeping Israel, AIPAC, or the biggest supporters of Israel in Congress happy. My guess is Israel/AIPAC have heen a pain in his ass for eight years, and he saw an opportunity to get a little of his own back. Alternatively, perhaps he always felt like the Israelis were getting away with too much (w.r.t. the Palestinians, or w.r.t. US politics), and saw this as his chance to push back a bit.

    Replies: @SPMoore8, @Jim Don Bob

  14. Decision makers in the top level of the Israeli government are overestimating how much support Israel has in the USA. They really do think its Israel and the American people versus Obama.

    Israel has a lot of support in the US but not so much that Americans support Israeli espionage on the USA.

  15. If the Mossad wasn’t spying on the US, they wouldn’t be doing their jobs. I bet they’ve got plants in the federal government. So do the Chinese.
    For all the money thrown at the CIA, it remains a pityful intelligence agency.

  16. @Boomstick
    It wouldn't surprise me, but it's not necessarily true, and probably isn't true in this case. For example, Obama phones the Egyptian president to discuss passing the resolution. The Israelis spy the hell out of the Egyptian president's communications, and pick up the Obama call.

    That's the most likely explanation in this instance. If they're planning on sharing intelligence on the matter with the US then they're not going to blow their US spying sources and methods with the US security services.

    The Obama bots have been lying through their teeth on the UN resolution so it shouldn't take much in the way of sophisticated intelligence sources to prove it. Hilariously they denied as a "total fabrication" the existence a meeting between Kerry and a Palestinian that was listed on Kerry's official schedule.

    http://freebeacon.com/national-security/white-house-defense-exposed-architect-anti-israel-u-n-action/

    It's not unlikely that the Israelis were feeding some of the info in the article to the press, eg the Biden call to the Ukrainian president.

    Replies: @Not Raul

    Why would Obama phone the Egyptian President about the resolution? There would be little reason to do so. Egypt didn’t author the resolution and isn’t on the Security Council. It’s common knowledge that the Israelis have probably bugged the President of Egypt’s phone, so Obama wouldn’t run the risk of telling anything he didn’t want the Israelis to hear over the phone to the President of Egypt.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
    @Not Raul

    A bit of clarification: Egypt is not a permanent member of the Security Council, therefore it has no veto. It is a non-permanent member. Egypt presented the draft; but it was primarily authored by the U.K.

  17. Israeli spying is apparently the equivalent of “we can say that word, but you can’t” logic.

  18. @Realist
    Israel has been spying on the US for decades.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    • Replies: @hooodathunkit
    @Anonymous

    "They" [Israel] and everybody else with a scanner. Re Lewinsky:


    More than just a secretive sexual romp in the White House 19 years ago, their red-hot phone sex posed a threat to national security when intercepted by the UK, Israel and Russia. A less than subtle 'blackmail' attempt by the Prime Minister of Israel urged Clinton to release an American who was spying for Israel, according to another Clinton author, Daniel Halper, in his book Clinton Inc. Clinton tried to comply and keep it all under wraps, but their sexual high jinks exploded on to the international scene.
     
    LOL, no different than John and Alice Martin who
    just happened to have a radio scanner and
    just happened to have the scanner modified and
    just happened to be scanning cellular frequencies and
    just happened to have a tape recorder and
    just happened to be Democratic Party activists and
    just happened to be 100 yards from Rep. Boehner
    just happened to recognize the tinny voices as 'history'.

    ALICE MARTIN: We’re going to have a grandson at the end of January, and we were thinking how neat it would be to play this tape for him and him hear the voices of people that we thought were important.
     
    Israel spying on us? Of course, but every other nation with more than $5 in its pocket as well. See "UK, Israel, and Russia" above, and those are the ones who announced they were. Given the collaborators in this present event, there probably wasn't any spycraft or technology to it.

    Obama seems to be knocking the pillars out as he exits the mine. I'd never been convinced he was anti-American, but he is sure leaving that as a legacy.
  19. @El Dato
    “We have it on absolute, incontestable evidence that the United States organized, advanced and brought this resolution to the U.N.S.C."

    By Jehova! The US did something without our imprimatur!! That. Just. Won't. Do.

    Did Israel declare war on NZ yet? NZ is in dire straits NOW, they don't even have nukes...

    Replies: @Not Raul, @utu

    Also a declaration of war on Obama for abstaining; but no declaration of war on Putin or Xi for voting yes.

    Bibi isn’t upset because the resolution will change anything on the ground — the resolution is consistent with decades of US policy — Bibi is upset because he thought he owned us.

  20. Considering that the leaked transcript of a recent meeting between Kerry and Palestinian Authority negotiator Saeb Erekat where they discuss the strategy for passing the resolution was just published in full in an Egyptian newspaper, I don’t see why positing spying is necessary.

  21. @El Dato
    “We have it on absolute, incontestable evidence that the United States organized, advanced and brought this resolution to the U.N.S.C."

    By Jehova! The US did something without our imprimatur!! That. Just. Won't. Do.

    Did Israel declare war on NZ yet? NZ is in dire straits NOW, they don't even have nukes...

    Replies: @Not Raul, @utu

    “Did Israel declare war on NZ yet?”

    Did Mossad sabotage airplane of Prime Minister Clark?

    Apr 14, 2005 Aircraft failure leaves Clark bruised and shaken
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10120387

    “The prime minister of New Zealand angrily denounced Israel and imposed diplomatic sanctions on it after two suspected Mossad agents were jailed for six months for trying on false grounds to obtain a New Zealand passport.”
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/jul/16/israel

    2004 Israel–New Zealand passport scandal
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Israel%E2%80%93New_Zealand_passport_scandal

  22. Seems everyone is spying or trying to penetrate the US government. Sibel Edmonds revealed how the Turkish government had Dennis Hastert in it’s pocket and attempted to blackmail US rep Jan Schakowsky (spouse is Robert Creamer) in some sexual setup trap. It’s probably all up for grabs.

    • Replies: @Fredrik
    @anonymous

    The US leaders aren't exactly innocent victims here.

  23. Uh, yeah, no.

    And if you want to talk perfidy among allies, you’d have to go a long way to top BHO’s interference in the last Israeli general elections.

  24. Why even have spies if you don’t spy.

  25. it’s amusing that it’s Bibi and Dermer who are bringing it up

    There has to be an angle, like it takes teeth out of the resolution. “Oh, that resolution? The one passed by the lame duck president who’s opposition party is coming into power? That’s meaningless.”

    It might also be a way of sticking a finger in the eye of Obama. He’s been all over the Russia-Trump thing, so “hey, big-shot, whatcha gonna do about this?”

  26. Every country spies on every other country.

  27. @Not Raul
    @Boomstick

    Why would Obama phone the Egyptian President about the resolution? There would be little reason to do so. Egypt didn't author the resolution and isn't on the Security Council. It's common knowledge that the Israelis have probably bugged the President of Egypt's phone, so Obama wouldn't run the risk of telling anything he didn't want the Israelis to hear over the phone to the President of Egypt.

    Replies: @Not Raul

    A bit of clarification: Egypt is not a permanent member of the Security Council, therefore it has no veto. It is a non-permanent member. Egypt presented the draft; but it was primarily authored by the U.K.

  28. I’m no fan of Israel, but I’m glad someone is keeping an eye on President Golfcart. They have a cone of silence around this clown. Even on the web you cannot find out what he’s doing. He said he’d be transparent and he’s transparent all right. He’s as transparent as Wonder Woman’s Invisible Plane.
    Someone should find out the details of that “Landmark Iran Deal”. They haven’t released squat about what is in this deal. All these assurances that this is a great deal seems to miss the point that none of these details have been released at all. I’m not even sure its legal to make these deals and not tell anyone at all what they are.
    One thing for sure is I don’t trust Mr. Nobody at all. I don’t believe for a minute he is who he says he is. All those details from his book sound like a Fairy Tale and they’re no way this idiot is some Ivy League Grad. Even AA Ivies aren’t as dense and ignorant as the Teleprompter Guy. That autobiography was released before he was famous for anything. I’ve NEVER seen a biography of a guy who didn’t do anything. Unknown people living in obscurity do not have publishers printing bios about them. This looks like a blunder to me. They seem to have written this book to cover the fact that nobody actually seems to know this guy and this book seems to serve no purpose but to provide details that otherwise don’t exist. In Intel, this would be called a cover for an agent.

  29. Netanyahu knows Israel will be allowed to action the unspeakable solution with the new pres in charge. But Israel needs a wider war taking in Jordan.

  30. @Tiny Duck
    This is mere defection. Israel is the only state where the interests of the most persecuted minority in history are taken into account

    Russia is a white Christian nation that hacked the election. To not defy Russia and agree with Obama makes you a traitor

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @Gabriel M

    Are you supporting the God-Emperor Trump now? Bibi of the most persecuted minority is!

  31. But the US would NEVER spy on an ally such as Israel or Germany or listen in on the phone calls of the head of government of a friendly power:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/08/nsa-tapped-german-chancellery-decades-wikileaks-claims-merkel

    The NSA would NEVER do that. That would be wrong.

    Now that being said, do you think that Israel would in effect voluntarily announce that they are spying directly on POTUS? That would really never happen. Presumably they have at least a cover story as to how they came across this intelligence, one that does not involve bugging the Oval Office. As others mentioned, you often come across intelligence on a third party when you are spying on someone else. Maybe they have the NZ UN Embassy bugged and they overhead Kerry calling up the NZ Ambassador. Something like that.

    Just like the Podesta/DNC leaks, focusing on how the intelligence was gained is really beside the point. Is the intelligence true or not?

  32. @Karl
    Surely there is no one in the current White House or DOS who would LEAK information to PEOTUS' close friends? Surely not. I mean, that might help said leaker avoid 8 years of unemployment and enforced dating-pool'ing-with-Michelle-esque circle of women. You know how it worked out for Huma to trust HRC to make the shidduch,

    Let's make a deal, iSteve. You continue to play dumb, and we'll send a carpenter down from Tarzana in a coupla years. No need to make your wife wait another decade to get a new kitchen


    Tell you what. It was mentioned to me that there's this French juif who has a nice resort property in Cannes. Currently doing the "Boeing Aliyah" schtick.

    He's got this daughter that's semi-wheelchair bound but wants to enlist so she can get her OWN Veteran's ID. What you guys call a DD-214.

    Well, there actually isn't any more empty chairs this year, in the "Special in Uniform" program. But maybe I can wheeler-dealer her into the program, and you into the house on some Life Estate papers.

    You might recall when the Command Master Chief to CinCPAC Himself made the deal that got that E-2 US Marine out of a 40-year prison sentence in Manila for rape in Subic..... the girl not only got a US Visa, but the CMC set her up with a O-4 husband in 29 Palms. Now THAT's a lifetime of some rather large remittances back to mom & dad in the province....

    Replies: @Johann Ricke

    You might recall when the Command Master Chief to CinCPAC Himself made the deal that got that E-2 US Marine out of a 40-year prison sentence in Manila for rape in Subic….. the girl not only got a US Visa, but the CMC set her up with a O-4 husband in 29 Palms. Now THAT’s a lifetime of some rather large remittances back to mom & dad in the province….

    Isn’t a fiancee visa (and a green card upon marriage stateside) pretty much automatic for foreign SO’s of gainfully-employed American citizens? The rumor at the time was that Suzette Nicolas trumped up the rape accusation because she got drunk and had a one-night stand with a Marine who was not her betrothed. The rape charge was just an excuse to cover up her indiscretion.

  33. @Federalist
    Why would Israel give a damn about the U.N. resolution anyway? It's not like they're going to tear down their settlements now.

    Replies: @Not Raul, @NOTA

    Exactly. The resolution changes neither decades of US policy nor facts on the ground.

    Bibi is merely playing this up for domestic political consumption. And having a hissy fit.

  34. Israel’s hasbara ops seem a lot less energeric these days. 10 years ago there would have been a huge group of shrill online commentators jumping on this post.

    I wonder where Israel is directing all that misinformation money nowadays.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    @Arthur

    I wonder where Israel is directing all that misinformation money nowadays.

    Have you checked out the_donald lately?

    https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5kuf3u/t_d_stands_with_israel/

    https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5kxqxw/this_image_triggers_muslims_and_their_neo_nazi/

    Because everyone knows how those devious neo-nazis are BFFs with Muslims! How they secretly control Merkel and have brought in a flood of brown people to Hejira the German homeland, in order to problem reaction solution or something. Yeah.

    The_donald has been controlled for quite a while now, with all the "I'm a Chinese/Muslim/Gay/Mexican/Sikh/Legal Immigrant/Whoever American and stand with Trump!" type posts, the "Democrats are the real racists", the Byrd/Hillary posts. The promotion of cucks like Bill Mitchell and PJW are another indication probably. They had a massive mod purge a few months ago.

    A lot of critics of US kowtowing to Israel are getting banned in those threads, and it's interesting to see it happen in real time. Within the space of a year, I've watched the_donald grow organically from a fairly alt-right, hilarious but not AS alt-right, to fairly cucked and a little stale as it as has gained popularity, and I think subverted. Perhaps the subversion was done to make it less likely to derail Trump's success with non-whites, or maybe all the Michael Jackson multiracial wonderland type stuff is part and parcel of what may be a hasbara takeover.

    I am not against Israel, but if they want to have an ethnostate, borders etc. we should get the same.

    Replies: @Anonym, @Karl

    , @Bragadocious
    @Arthur

    They're over at Conservative Treehouse.

  35. What Obama has just done is signal to Israel that the US is no longer a dependable ally – the alliance now depends on the election results. As much as this may gladden the hearts of some here, this was a major blunder. You may not like Israel as an American ally but you would probably like it even less if it was NOT an ally. Israel will do whatever is necessary to preserve its existence. Russia and China are always eager to enlarge their sphere of influence. Israel, despite its tiny size, is a major, nuclear armed regional power. If you think cyberwarfare is a problem now, just imagine what it would be like with the Israelis on the other side? When the Israelis f8ck you over, you don’t even know what hit you – it took the Iranians YEARS to figure out why their centrifuges were blowing up. The worst hack is when you don’t even KNOW that you’ve been hacked because the hackers have perfectly covered all their tracks.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Jack D

    Damned if we do, damned if we don't.

    , @Nigel
    @Jack D

    Not to mention that we have Israeli sympathizers in control of some of the most crucial levers of power. The government, media, the courts. And not just sympathizers; many of these people are actual dual citizens.

    US and Israeli power is so highly entangled that we are somewhat constrained in our choices. Regardless of your views on Jews and Israel, the US is in no position to blindly antagonize Israel.

    Declaring Israel a non-ally would send serious shockwaves through government and media. Realpolitik demands that we look at the reality of our situation before making any serious friend/foe realignment. Somehow I doubt Obama has done that.

    , @MarkinLA
    @Jack D

    Israel still needs us more than we need them.

    , @Not Raul
    @Jack D

    If that's the case, Russia and China must be shaking in their boots. After all, they voted yes. We merely abstained.

    , @Bill Jones
    @Jack D

    "What Obama has just done is signal to Israel that the US is no longer a dependable ally"

    If that were true it would be the best foreign policy decision in 50 years.

    , @SPMoore8
    @Jack D

    There are approximately 6 million Jewish Israelis. There are 320 million Americans, and another three quarters of a billion in Europe, to mention another 6 billion people in the rest of the world who really have no connection either with Judaism, Jews, anti-semitism, or the Holocaust.

    The idea that the rest of the world has to live in fear of Jewish Israelis is megalomania run amok.

    As for the Palestinians, they are there. IDK, maybe the Israelis will find a way to make them leave, or otherwise disappear. But, in the absence of that happening, they need to come to a modus vivendi with them.

    All the resolution really means is that the Two State Solution is dead, but anyone who really follows this stuff already knows it. I have always held -- since the Six Day War, which I remember very well -- that the Israelis should simply control the territory and allow the non-Jews some meaningful and significant self-rule and self-control. I have no idea how that is shaking out in reality over there and I am not particularly interested. However, whether one likes it or not "democracy" is a big shibboleth in modern society and to the extent that non-Jews live under conditions of inequality and do not have the ability to control resource utilization, Israeli Jews will come under criticism. It's not that complicated.

    Replies: @Jack D

  36. @anonymous
    Seems everyone is spying or trying to penetrate the US government. Sibel Edmonds revealed how the Turkish government had Dennis Hastert in it's pocket and attempted to blackmail US rep Jan Schakowsky (spouse is Robert Creamer) in some sexual setup trap. It's probably all up for grabs.

    Replies: @Fredrik

    The US leaders aren’t exactly innocent victims here.

  37. And? If they were spying they have good reason to, this is after all the Obama administration, the same one that interfered in the Israeli elections. Even if the most Israeli friendly administration is in power, no intelligent government (either one) is not going to spy to see what’s up, as a giant complex entity like the U.S. is full of competing interests (and conversely big bro has the right to see what little bro is up to). How naive can one be to think the U.S. doesn’t spy on its friends, and then have the chutzpah to think they wouldn’t, shouldn’t, do the same. Just ask Barack buddy Angela about her sail foam. I agree though with the commenters that say this is most likely fallout from tapping into Egyptian communications. Jeez, I still can’t believe Steve, who knows better, would trot out this dead horse. Israel, whether you like her or hate her, is going to do what’s in its best self interest. These days I have less trust in Obama’s 17 appointee led intelligence agencies than in Russia’s propaganda outlet RT.

  38. Israel has elsewhere claimed they obtained the intelligence indirectly:

    “We have ironclad information that emanates from sources in the Arab world and that shows the Obama administration helped craft this resolution and pushed hard for its eventual passage”

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/27/israel-claims-to-have-ironclad-info-the-us-was-behind-un-resolution/

  39. @Jack D
    What Obama has just done is signal to Israel that the US is no longer a dependable ally - the alliance now depends on the election results. As much as this may gladden the hearts of some here, this was a major blunder. You may not like Israel as an American ally but you would probably like it even less if it was NOT an ally. Israel will do whatever is necessary to preserve its existence. Russia and China are always eager to enlarge their sphere of influence. Israel, despite its tiny size, is a major, nuclear armed regional power. If you think cyberwarfare is a problem now, just imagine what it would be like with the Israelis on the other side? When the Israelis f8ck you over, you don't even know what hit you - it took the Iranians YEARS to figure out why their centrifuges were blowing up. The worst hack is when you don't even KNOW that you've been hacked because the hackers have perfectly covered all their tracks.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Nigel, @MarkinLA, @Not Raul, @Bill Jones, @SPMoore8

    Damned if we do, damned if we don’t.

  40. @Anonymous
    @Realist


    Israel has been spying on the US for decades.
     
    Yup. Like back in the 90s, when they intercepted Clinton's calls and tried to blackmail him with it.

    Replies: @hooodathunkit

    “They” [Israel] and everybody else with a scanner. Re Lewinsky:

    More than just a secretive sexual romp in the White House 19 years ago, their red-hot phone sex posed a threat to national security when intercepted by the UK, Israel and Russia. A less than subtle ‘blackmail’ attempt by the Prime Minister of Israel urged Clinton to release an American who was spying for Israel, according to another Clinton author, Daniel Halper, in his book Clinton Inc. Clinton tried to comply and keep it all under wraps, but their sexual high jinks exploded on to the international scene.

    LOL, no different than John and Alice Martin who
    just happened to have a radio scanner and
    just happened to have the scanner modified and
    just happened to be scanning cellular frequencies and
    just happened to have a tape recorder and
    just happened to be Democratic Party activists and
    just happened to be 100 yards from Rep. Boehner
    just happened to recognize the tinny voices as ‘history’.

    ALICE MARTIN: We’re going to have a grandson at the end of January, and we were thinking how neat it would be to play this tape for him and him hear the voices of people that we thought were important.

    Israel spying on us? Of course, but every other nation with more than $5 in its pocket as well. See “UK, Israel, and Russia” above, and those are the ones who announced they were. Given the collaborators in this present event, there probably wasn’t any spycraft or technology to it.

    Obama seems to be knocking the pillars out as he exits the mine. I’d never been convinced he was anti-American, but he is sure leaving that as a legacy.

  41. @Jack D
    What Obama has just done is signal to Israel that the US is no longer a dependable ally - the alliance now depends on the election results. As much as this may gladden the hearts of some here, this was a major blunder. You may not like Israel as an American ally but you would probably like it even less if it was NOT an ally. Israel will do whatever is necessary to preserve its existence. Russia and China are always eager to enlarge their sphere of influence. Israel, despite its tiny size, is a major, nuclear armed regional power. If you think cyberwarfare is a problem now, just imagine what it would be like with the Israelis on the other side? When the Israelis f8ck you over, you don't even know what hit you - it took the Iranians YEARS to figure out why their centrifuges were blowing up. The worst hack is when you don't even KNOW that you've been hacked because the hackers have perfectly covered all their tracks.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Nigel, @MarkinLA, @Not Raul, @Bill Jones, @SPMoore8

    Not to mention that we have Israeli sympathizers in control of some of the most crucial levers of power. The government, media, the courts. And not just sympathizers; many of these people are actual dual citizens.

    US and Israeli power is so highly entangled that we are somewhat constrained in our choices. Regardless of your views on Jews and Israel, the US is in no position to blindly antagonize Israel.

    Declaring Israel a non-ally would send serious shockwaves through government and media. Realpolitik demands that we look at the reality of our situation before making any serious friend/foe realignment. Somehow I doubt Obama has done that.

  42. I agree with Boomstick. In this case, it seems probable that the Israelis were spying on Arabs.

    That said, of course the Israelis have no compunctions about spying on us. The only thing that gives them pause is getting caught, and then only in consideration of how soft we always are on them, and how much American power is held by Zionists.

    Oh those sinister jews

    A quick peek at Jewish history shows that Jews are kinda sinister.

    Seems everyone is spying or trying to penetrate the US government.

    You mean Australia, UK, New Zealand, Canada? Or by “everyone,” do you just mean places like Turkey, China, Russia, Israel, etc?

    Why even have spies if you don’t spy.

    Deterrent aside, that’s like asking why have a military if you don’t bomb everyone.

  43. What Obama has just done is signal to Israel that the US is no longer a dependable ally – the alliance now depends on the election results.

    Or on Israeli behavior. Heaven forfend.

    As much as this may gladden the hearts of some here, this was a major blunder. You may not like Israel as an American ally but you would probably like it even less if it was NOT an ally. Israel will do whatever is necessary to preserve its existence. Russia and China are always eager to enlarge their sphere of influence. Israel, despite its tiny size, is a major, nuclear armed regional power. If you think cyberwarfare is a problem now, just imagine what it would be like with the Israelis on the other side? When the Israelis f8ck you over, you don’t even know what hit you – it took the Iranians YEARS to figure out why their centrifuges were blowing up. The worst hack is when you don’t even KNOW that you’ve been hacked because the hackers have perfectly covered all their tracks.

    The biggest problem would be diaspora Jewry. Lots of people in the federal gov’t and quasi-gov’t industries are more loyal to Israel than they are to America.

    • Replies: @Karl
    @Svigor

    > Lots of people in the federal gov’t and quasi-gov’t industries are more loyal to Israel than they are to America

    I would claim that's a mis-reading of the situation.

    They don't SHOW their enthusiasm for guarding America because..... it doesn't need much guarding. Well, your borders do, but the Zionists are too busy guarding Amona to fight with your own, native anti-border-guard movement.

    You don't demand that ORban should guard your borders. It's also not our job.

    Let Arizona conscript its youth to do it. The Second Amendment protects that option, you know.

  44. Yes Israel does spy on us, they run the 2nd largest spy ring outside of the Chinese here in the U.S. They are also known for selling classified U.S. military tech we have sold them and reselling it to the Chinese.

    However this isn’t the worst of it, too many American Jews put Israel ahead of the U.S. and easily can become spies for Israel with just a little push. BTW the same applies to Chinese Americans, they can be flipped rather easily since culturally and ethnically they have far more in common with China than the U.S.

  45. Anonymous [AKA "Hans Moleman"] says:

    It’s not just Jews: there are many Christians who support Israel and who will strongly oppose any attempt to isolate or exclude Israel from American friendship. These people have no power in the Democratic Party but they play an important role in the Republican Party.

  46. @Arthur
    Israel's hasbara ops seem a lot less energeric these days. 10 years ago there would have been a huge group of shrill online commentators jumping on this post.

    I wonder where Israel is directing all that misinformation money nowadays.

    Replies: @Anonym, @Bragadocious

    I wonder where Israel is directing all that misinformation money nowadays.

    Have you checked out the_donald lately?

    https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5kuf3u/t_d_stands_with_israel/

    https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5kxqxw/this_image_triggers_muslims_and_their_neo_nazi/

    Because everyone knows how those devious neo-nazis are BFFs with Muslims! How they secretly control Merkel and have brought in a flood of brown people to Hejira the German homeland, in order to problem reaction solution or something. Yeah.

    The_donald has been controlled for quite a while now, with all the “I’m a Chinese/Muslim/Gay/Mexican/Sikh/Legal Immigrant/Whoever American and stand with Trump!” type posts, the “Democrats are the real racists”, the Byrd/Hillary posts. The promotion of cucks like Bill Mitchell and PJW are another indication probably. They had a massive mod purge a few months ago.

    A lot of critics of US kowtowing to Israel are getting banned in those threads, and it’s interesting to see it happen in real time. Within the space of a year, I’ve watched the_donald grow organically from a fairly alt-right, hilarious but not AS alt-right, to fairly cucked and a little stale as it as has gained popularity, and I think subverted. Perhaps the subversion was done to make it less likely to derail Trump’s success with non-whites, or maybe all the Michael Jackson multiracial wonderland type stuff is part and parcel of what may be a hasbara takeover.

    I am not against Israel, but if they want to have an ethnostate, borders etc. we should get the same.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    @Anonym

    I was going to add that r/altright is getting a lot of T_D refugees in the last few weeks. While I much prefer the iSteveist constructively critical and in places admiring attitude towards Israel/Jewish issues over the antagonistic AS of altright, there are elements of r/altright that are reminiscent of classic r/the_donald, including the humor. Undeniably there is some good content there.

    I don't think the type of ASism of r/altright is wise or constructive, but there is a risk that when PC is shoved down the throats of white identitarians by Jews, all it does is create AS white identitarians. I mean, maybe a somewhat powerful meeting point like the_donald becomes neutered, but the desire of the members to meet, their ability to meet again in the intermediate term and their knowledge remains intact, so this seems like a short term play to me.

    I can very much understand the predicament Jews are in. It would take immense balls to just let a white identity movement become massive, as you are letting a genie escape from the bottle. But on the other hand, PC has been massively "successful" and as a result there is now an aggressively growing, considerable mass of non-whites in every white country. And it is this that is the recruiting and radicalising stimulus for white identity politics. To my knowledge, these consequences were unintended by Gramsci and the like. You've got this stimulus to associate and organize in every country, and an ability and utility in networking across borders.

    It's kind of hard to believe that such entrenched power (e.g. media/entertainment/academica/political lobbying/politicians/education system) can be thwarted but that's what has happened with this last election. I guess there is precedent with what happened in the Soviet Union considering that a Jewish funded overthrow of a government, and subsequent control of what became a massive superpower can also be thwarted, maybe even outsmarted (?!) by a Georgian and I guess, ethnic Russians such that now it's back in Russian hands AFAIK. What seems pervasive and invincible ends up being transient.

    Anyway, I hope that white identity politics succeeds, but that it finds a way to work happily with Jews and vice versa. There is immense potential for either side to end up as massive losers in a conflict that is brought to a head.

    , @Karl
    @Anonym

    > I am not against Israel, but if they want to have an ethnostate, borders etc. we should get the same

    We built our own. The blueprints we used are in the history books.... copy them.
    Go for it.

    PS: the current problem for "white nationalists" is that when they =get= a de-facto white jurisdiction (eg, Vermont) it doesn't turn out like they planned.

    Fix THAT.

    Replies: @Anonym

  47. @Jack D
    What Obama has just done is signal to Israel that the US is no longer a dependable ally - the alliance now depends on the election results. As much as this may gladden the hearts of some here, this was a major blunder. You may not like Israel as an American ally but you would probably like it even less if it was NOT an ally. Israel will do whatever is necessary to preserve its existence. Russia and China are always eager to enlarge their sphere of influence. Israel, despite its tiny size, is a major, nuclear armed regional power. If you think cyberwarfare is a problem now, just imagine what it would be like with the Israelis on the other side? When the Israelis f8ck you over, you don't even know what hit you - it took the Iranians YEARS to figure out why their centrifuges were blowing up. The worst hack is when you don't even KNOW that you've been hacked because the hackers have perfectly covered all their tracks.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Nigel, @MarkinLA, @Not Raul, @Bill Jones, @SPMoore8

    Israel still needs us more than we need them.

  48. It’s not just Jews: there are many Christians who support Israel and who will strongly oppose any attempt to isolate or exclude Israel from American friendship. These people have no power in the Democratic Party but they play an important role in the Republican Party.

    Most of them are heretics (the stronger the support, the more likely it comes from heretics; not that strength of support is what makes them heretics, though). E.g., Christian Zionism is outright heresy. They’re about as Christian as Mormons, at best.

  49. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Obama is going full retard with the Russian thing.

    I guess it’s the only way to drown his sorrows. He’s Mr. Big Ego surrounded by yes-men though he himself is just a yes-man to the GLOB.

    He considers himself to have the Midas Touch. He is the Magic Tough Negro. During the 2016 election, he didn’t sit out like previous presidents who had some dignity. No, he jumped into the fray because (1) he owed it to Hillary whose presidency he stole in 2008 and (2) Trump wasn’t just some run-of-mill GOP candidate but a real threat to the System.

    Also, Obama thought it was a slam-dunk. After all, the media were all saying there was NO WAY Trump could win.

    So, by campaigning loudly for Hillary, he would show the world that He’s got the magic. It wouldn’t be just her victory but his third term. After all, he embraced her, and she showered him with gratitude. And she took Obama-ism to the n-th degree. If Obama was the ‘first gay president’, she was gonna be the first gay-tranny-muslim-50-gendered queen. She was gonna take proggy ID-politics to the next level. Instead of going more centrist, she went more fringy. And if Obama ran as racial-uniter in 2008, the racial politics had gone racial-divider with BLM. Obama, being black, didn’t have to appeal mainly to blacks in 2008 and 2012. Hillary, being white, had to, especially as her hubby got associated with locking up too many Negroes.
    So, she was pro-black thug and Obama fully endorsed her and even campaigned for her. Surely, the blacks would come out in droves to vote for her. Obama certainly was sure since he didn’t sit out this campaign. He was out there cheering for her.
    But many blacks stayed home. On some level, Obama must realize that blacks didn’t just reject Hillary but him. The Midas Touch wasn’t there. If anything, his touch turned everything into lead. In Libya and Syria too. And the new cold war on Russia made Putin seem stronger while Obama more confused and weak.

    Also, with the super-rich class fully on the side of Hillary, there was no way Trump could win. After all, US is an oligarchy, not a democracy. With the super-rich, blacks, and Obama himself on her side, no way Hillary could lose. But lose she did.

    And now, Obama cannot accept what happened, and he gone batty naming the Russians. It’s a pathetic end to his presidency. He could have at least exited with some dignity. He just looks like a sourpuss loser.

    Also, his comment that HE could have won in 2016 can only be an insult to Hillary. It implies that Hillary lost cuz she was a lackluster weak and inept candidate.
    But he can’t constrain his Ego.

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    @Anon


    Obama is going full retard with the Russian thing.
     
    Wait. Didn't they get the black guy from Tropic Thunder to get Obama that you never go full retard?

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  50. @Anonym
    @Arthur

    I wonder where Israel is directing all that misinformation money nowadays.

    Have you checked out the_donald lately?

    https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5kuf3u/t_d_stands_with_israel/

    https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5kxqxw/this_image_triggers_muslims_and_their_neo_nazi/

    Because everyone knows how those devious neo-nazis are BFFs with Muslims! How they secretly control Merkel and have brought in a flood of brown people to Hejira the German homeland, in order to problem reaction solution or something. Yeah.

    The_donald has been controlled for quite a while now, with all the "I'm a Chinese/Muslim/Gay/Mexican/Sikh/Legal Immigrant/Whoever American and stand with Trump!" type posts, the "Democrats are the real racists", the Byrd/Hillary posts. The promotion of cucks like Bill Mitchell and PJW are another indication probably. They had a massive mod purge a few months ago.

    A lot of critics of US kowtowing to Israel are getting banned in those threads, and it's interesting to see it happen in real time. Within the space of a year, I've watched the_donald grow organically from a fairly alt-right, hilarious but not AS alt-right, to fairly cucked and a little stale as it as has gained popularity, and I think subverted. Perhaps the subversion was done to make it less likely to derail Trump's success with non-whites, or maybe all the Michael Jackson multiracial wonderland type stuff is part and parcel of what may be a hasbara takeover.

    I am not against Israel, but if they want to have an ethnostate, borders etc. we should get the same.

    Replies: @Anonym, @Karl

    I was going to add that r/altright is getting a lot of T_D refugees in the last few weeks. While I much prefer the iSteveist constructively critical and in places admiring attitude towards Israel/Jewish issues over the antagonistic AS of altright, there are elements of r/altright that are reminiscent of classic r/the_donald, including the humor. Undeniably there is some good content there.

    I don’t think the type of ASism of r/altright is wise or constructive, but there is a risk that when PC is shoved down the throats of white identitarians by Jews, all it does is create AS white identitarians. I mean, maybe a somewhat powerful meeting point like the_donald becomes neutered, but the desire of the members to meet, their ability to meet again in the intermediate term and their knowledge remains intact, so this seems like a short term play to me.

    I can very much understand the predicament Jews are in. It would take immense balls to just let a white identity movement become massive, as you are letting a genie escape from the bottle. But on the other hand, PC has been massively “successful” and as a result there is now an aggressively growing, considerable mass of non-whites in every white country. And it is this that is the recruiting and radicalising stimulus for white identity politics. To my knowledge, these consequences were unintended by Gramsci and the like. You’ve got this stimulus to associate and organize in every country, and an ability and utility in networking across borders.

    It’s kind of hard to believe that such entrenched power (e.g. media/entertainment/academica/political lobbying/politicians/education system) can be thwarted but that’s what has happened with this last election. I guess there is precedent with what happened in the Soviet Union considering that a Jewish funded overthrow of a government, and subsequent control of what became a massive superpower can also be thwarted, maybe even outsmarted (?!) by a Georgian and I guess, ethnic Russians such that now it’s back in Russian hands AFAIK. What seems pervasive and invincible ends up being transient.

    Anyway, I hope that white identity politics succeeds, but that it finds a way to work happily with Jews and vice versa. There is immense potential for either side to end up as massive losers in a conflict that is brought to a head.

  51. @Arthur
    Israel's hasbara ops seem a lot less energeric these days. 10 years ago there would have been a huge group of shrill online commentators jumping on this post.

    I wonder where Israel is directing all that misinformation money nowadays.

    Replies: @Anonym, @Bragadocious

    They’re over at Conservative Treehouse.

  52. @Jack D
    What Obama has just done is signal to Israel that the US is no longer a dependable ally - the alliance now depends on the election results. As much as this may gladden the hearts of some here, this was a major blunder. You may not like Israel as an American ally but you would probably like it even less if it was NOT an ally. Israel will do whatever is necessary to preserve its existence. Russia and China are always eager to enlarge their sphere of influence. Israel, despite its tiny size, is a major, nuclear armed regional power. If you think cyberwarfare is a problem now, just imagine what it would be like with the Israelis on the other side? When the Israelis f8ck you over, you don't even know what hit you - it took the Iranians YEARS to figure out why their centrifuges were blowing up. The worst hack is when you don't even KNOW that you've been hacked because the hackers have perfectly covered all their tracks.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Nigel, @MarkinLA, @Not Raul, @Bill Jones, @SPMoore8

    If that’s the case, Russia and China must be shaking in their boots. After all, they voted yes. We merely abstained.

  53. No-one who read Giraldi’s 2008 piece would posit the “accidental” theory.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-spy-who-loves-us/

    Israel is a major threat to the US.

  54. @Jack D
    What Obama has just done is signal to Israel that the US is no longer a dependable ally - the alliance now depends on the election results. As much as this may gladden the hearts of some here, this was a major blunder. You may not like Israel as an American ally but you would probably like it even less if it was NOT an ally. Israel will do whatever is necessary to preserve its existence. Russia and China are always eager to enlarge their sphere of influence. Israel, despite its tiny size, is a major, nuclear armed regional power. If you think cyberwarfare is a problem now, just imagine what it would be like with the Israelis on the other side? When the Israelis f8ck you over, you don't even know what hit you - it took the Iranians YEARS to figure out why their centrifuges were blowing up. The worst hack is when you don't even KNOW that you've been hacked because the hackers have perfectly covered all their tracks.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Nigel, @MarkinLA, @Not Raul, @Bill Jones, @SPMoore8

    “What Obama has just done is signal to Israel that the US is no longer a dependable ally”

    If that were true it would be the best foreign policy decision in 50 years.

  55. @AndrewR
    The blatant Israeli control of the US government may be the single most remarkable political phenomenon world history. I mean, militarily there is simply no match. The US could kill every person in Israel in about five minutes at the cost of like 0.0001% of our GDP and with zero US casualties. Or we could invade them, at the cost minimal US blood and fiat currency, and literally no one would come to their defense. But they openly run our foreign policy.

    Replies: @Karl

    > Or we could invade them, at the cost minimal US blood

    you couldnt even do that against the VietCong.

    Oh wait…. you’re saying that 16 years of democrat national leadership, has improve the quality of recruits to the US military?

  56. @Anonym
    @Arthur

    I wonder where Israel is directing all that misinformation money nowadays.

    Have you checked out the_donald lately?

    https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5kuf3u/t_d_stands_with_israel/

    https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5kxqxw/this_image_triggers_muslims_and_their_neo_nazi/

    Because everyone knows how those devious neo-nazis are BFFs with Muslims! How they secretly control Merkel and have brought in a flood of brown people to Hejira the German homeland, in order to problem reaction solution or something. Yeah.

    The_donald has been controlled for quite a while now, with all the "I'm a Chinese/Muslim/Gay/Mexican/Sikh/Legal Immigrant/Whoever American and stand with Trump!" type posts, the "Democrats are the real racists", the Byrd/Hillary posts. The promotion of cucks like Bill Mitchell and PJW are another indication probably. They had a massive mod purge a few months ago.

    A lot of critics of US kowtowing to Israel are getting banned in those threads, and it's interesting to see it happen in real time. Within the space of a year, I've watched the_donald grow organically from a fairly alt-right, hilarious but not AS alt-right, to fairly cucked and a little stale as it as has gained popularity, and I think subverted. Perhaps the subversion was done to make it less likely to derail Trump's success with non-whites, or maybe all the Michael Jackson multiracial wonderland type stuff is part and parcel of what may be a hasbara takeover.

    I am not against Israel, but if they want to have an ethnostate, borders etc. we should get the same.

    Replies: @Anonym, @Karl

    > I am not against Israel, but if they want to have an ethnostate, borders etc. we should get the same

    We built our own. The blueprints we used are in the history books…. copy them.
    Go for it.

    PS: the current problem for “white nationalists” is that when they =get= a de-facto white jurisdiction (eg, Vermont) it doesn’t turn out like they planned.

    Fix THAT.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    @Karl

    We built our own. The blueprints we used are in the history books…. copy them. Go for it.

    When the Anglosphere was built, the Jews were on side, other than bringing over black African slaves for example. I won't blame them exclusively for it though. There wasn't a Jewish attempt to subvert and destroy every incipient pro-white organization. Disraeli for example was the prime minister of the UK. That's how on side the Jews were.

    The future may rhyme with the past, but this future is new and we must build it anew with new blueprints of our own construction.

    PS: the current problem for “white nationalists” is that when they =get= a de-facto white jurisdiction (eg, Vermont) it doesn’t turn out like they planned. Fix THAT.

    For that you need to fash the media, the entertainment system, the education system. Breitbart is a good start.

    Vermont may be the most white state or thereabouts, but states like Idaho and Ohio voted Trump with a very similar white percentage. In some ways, whites have been a victim of our own success. But PC is also a victim of its own success, and the worm is turning now.

  57. @Svigor

    What Obama has just done is signal to Israel that the US is no longer a dependable ally – the alliance now depends on the election results.
     
    Or on Israeli behavior. Heaven forfend.

    As much as this may gladden the hearts of some here, this was a major blunder. You may not like Israel as an American ally but you would probably like it even less if it was NOT an ally. Israel will do whatever is necessary to preserve its existence. Russia and China are always eager to enlarge their sphere of influence. Israel, despite its tiny size, is a major, nuclear armed regional power. If you think cyberwarfare is a problem now, just imagine what it would be like with the Israelis on the other side? When the Israelis f8ck you over, you don’t even know what hit you – it took the Iranians YEARS to figure out why their centrifuges were blowing up. The worst hack is when you don’t even KNOW that you’ve been hacked because the hackers have perfectly covered all their tracks.
     
    The biggest problem would be diaspora Jewry. Lots of people in the federal gov't and quasi-gov't industries are more loyal to Israel than they are to America.

    Replies: @Karl

    > Lots of people in the federal gov’t and quasi-gov’t industries are more loyal to Israel than they are to America

    I would claim that’s a mis-reading of the situation.

    They don’t SHOW their enthusiasm for guarding America because….. it doesn’t need much guarding. Well, your borders do, but the Zionists are too busy guarding Amona to fight with your own, native anti-border-guard movement.

    You don’t demand that ORban should guard your borders. It’s also not our job.

    Let Arizona conscript its youth to do it. The Second Amendment protects that option, you know.

  58. I feel like the Arab-newspaper reading Joo in the famous joke (“we run the banks, we run the media – now this is much better news!”) when I read how the USSR and Russia are behind everything, seriously.

    Just the other day I watched Predateli (Traitors), a spy documentary (hosted by one Lugovoy, btw) and the impression you’re left with is the KGB was inept and had a history of disastrous HR choices. They couldn’t prevent Kalugin, they didn’t prevent Rezun/Suvorov from being recruited by the English and going on to spew his nonsense about how WW2 (about the only thing that united USSR peoples) started, etc, etc.

  59. Dahlia says:

    Steve,
    Got trolled so hard, so epicly, on twitter today. If I say who, or discuss in any way other than painfully cryptic, I’ll look like a crazy person.

    It would be kind of like if you were vaguely tweeting about Meryl Streep, not even naming her, and *while you’re doing this*, you receive a notification. Click on it, and Meryl Streep herself has RT’d an old tweet of yours, so quickly she’d obviously held onto it, and that itself was pertinent and heavily symbolic. And that’s it. The RT and when it was done is the only message.

  60. @Karl
    @Anonym

    > I am not against Israel, but if they want to have an ethnostate, borders etc. we should get the same

    We built our own. The blueprints we used are in the history books.... copy them.
    Go for it.

    PS: the current problem for "white nationalists" is that when they =get= a de-facto white jurisdiction (eg, Vermont) it doesn't turn out like they planned.

    Fix THAT.

    Replies: @Anonym

    We built our own. The blueprints we used are in the history books…. copy them. Go for it.

    When the Anglosphere was built, the Jews were on side, other than bringing over black African slaves for example. I won’t blame them exclusively for it though. There wasn’t a Jewish attempt to subvert and destroy every incipient pro-white organization. Disraeli for example was the prime minister of the UK. That’s how on side the Jews were.

    The future may rhyme with the past, but this future is new and we must build it anew with new blueprints of our own construction.

    PS: the current problem for “white nationalists” is that when they =get= a de-facto white jurisdiction (eg, Vermont) it doesn’t turn out like they planned. Fix THAT.

    For that you need to fash the media, the entertainment system, the education system. Breitbart is a good start.

    Vermont may be the most white state or thereabouts, but states like Idaho and Ohio voted Trump with a very similar white percentage. In some ways, whites have been a victim of our own success. But PC is also a victim of its own success, and the worm is turning now.

  61. @Federalist
    Why would Israel give a damn about the U.N. resolution anyway? It's not like they're going to tear down their settlements now.

    Replies: @Not Raul, @NOTA

    Remember the example of South Africa. With enough international pressure, it could become very difficult for Israel to continue its policies toward the Palestinians. Sanctions, restrictions on financial transactions, boycotts and divestment, hassles for Israeli politicians abroad–all that stuff could seriously constrain their policies w.r.t. the Palestinians going forward. They have every incentive to push back on this as hard as they can.

    It’s instructive *when* the Obama administration did this–after Obama no longer had to worry about keeping Israel, AIPAC, or the biggest supporters of Israel in Congress happy. My guess is Israel/AIPAC have heen a pain in his ass for eight years, and he saw an opportunity to get a little of his own back. Alternatively, perhaps he always felt like the Israelis were getting away with too much (w.r.t. the Palestinians, or w.r.t. US politics), and saw this as his chance to push back a bit.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    @NOTA

    I get the impression that the Israelis have been under significant international pressure for some time, but remember we are talking about a country that is the size of New Jersey and has about 13 MM all told within the borders of Greater Israel (including Gaza).

    Israel's going to do what it's going to do but there's no question that the US gets a lot of grief for simply rubber stamping whatever Israel comes up with.

    The real problem is that about half of the people living there are not Jewish, and expulsion is not really on the table these days. I doubt if any Israeli government could successfully go to bat for the non-Jewish population, so it follows that the government will continue to bend to the segment of the population that wants to take more land and build more housing.

    The warning flag here is that any criticism of Israel is viewed as some kind of existential betrayal. That points to a certain amount of brittleness in whatever it is that Israel is trying to achieve long term. I mean hardly a day goes by without some Jeffrey Goldberg or someone saying that Israel can be democratic or it can be Jewish but it can't be both (if it continues to control most of the territory), so how is this news? Because an American official stated the obvious?

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @NOTA

    Maybe BHO just flat doesn't like Jews. Lots of blacks don't.

  62. @Anon
    Obama is going full retard with the Russian thing.

    I guess it's the only way to drown his sorrows. He's Mr. Big Ego surrounded by yes-men though he himself is just a yes-man to the GLOB.

    He considers himself to have the Midas Touch. He is the Magic Tough Negro. During the 2016 election, he didn't sit out like previous presidents who had some dignity. No, he jumped into the fray because (1) he owed it to Hillary whose presidency he stole in 2008 and (2) Trump wasn't just some run-of-mill GOP candidate but a real threat to the System.

    Also, Obama thought it was a slam-dunk. After all, the media were all saying there was NO WAY Trump could win.

    So, by campaigning loudly for Hillary, he would show the world that He's got the magic. It wouldn't be just her victory but his third term. After all, he embraced her, and she showered him with gratitude. And she took Obama-ism to the n-th degree. If Obama was the 'first gay president', she was gonna be the first gay-tranny-muslim-50-gendered queen. She was gonna take proggy ID-politics to the next level. Instead of going more centrist, she went more fringy. And if Obama ran as racial-uniter in 2008, the racial politics had gone racial-divider with BLM. Obama, being black, didn't have to appeal mainly to blacks in 2008 and 2012. Hillary, being white, had to, especially as her hubby got associated with locking up too many Negroes.
    So, she was pro-black thug and Obama fully endorsed her and even campaigned for her. Surely, the blacks would come out in droves to vote for her. Obama certainly was sure since he didn't sit out this campaign. He was out there cheering for her.
    But many blacks stayed home. On some level, Obama must realize that blacks didn't just reject Hillary but him. The Midas Touch wasn't there. If anything, his touch turned everything into lead. In Libya and Syria too. And the new cold war on Russia made Putin seem stronger while Obama more confused and weak.

    Also, with the super-rich class fully on the side of Hillary, there was no way Trump could win. After all, US is an oligarchy, not a democracy. With the super-rich, blacks, and Obama himself on her side, no way Hillary could lose. But lose she did.

    And now, Obama cannot accept what happened, and he gone batty naming the Russians. It's a pathetic end to his presidency. He could have at least exited with some dignity. He just looks like a sourpuss loser.

    Also, his comment that HE could have won in 2016 can only be an insult to Hillary. It implies that Hillary lost cuz she was a lackluster weak and inept candidate.
    But he can't constrain his Ego.

    Replies: @The most deplorable one

    Obama is going full retard with the Russian thing.

    Wait. Didn’t they get the black guy from Tropic Thunder to get Obama that you never go full retard?

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @The most deplorable one

    It was Robert Downey Jr playing an Australian actor who was playing a black guy.

    A hilarious movie. Never go full retard.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6WHBO_Qc-Q

  63. @Jack D
    What Obama has just done is signal to Israel that the US is no longer a dependable ally - the alliance now depends on the election results. As much as this may gladden the hearts of some here, this was a major blunder. You may not like Israel as an American ally but you would probably like it even less if it was NOT an ally. Israel will do whatever is necessary to preserve its existence. Russia and China are always eager to enlarge their sphere of influence. Israel, despite its tiny size, is a major, nuclear armed regional power. If you think cyberwarfare is a problem now, just imagine what it would be like with the Israelis on the other side? When the Israelis f8ck you over, you don't even know what hit you - it took the Iranians YEARS to figure out why their centrifuges were blowing up. The worst hack is when you don't even KNOW that you've been hacked because the hackers have perfectly covered all their tracks.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Nigel, @MarkinLA, @Not Raul, @Bill Jones, @SPMoore8

    There are approximately 6 million Jewish Israelis. There are 320 million Americans, and another three quarters of a billion in Europe, to mention another 6 billion people in the rest of the world who really have no connection either with Judaism, Jews, anti-semitism, or the Holocaust.

    The idea that the rest of the world has to live in fear of Jewish Israelis is megalomania run amok.

    As for the Palestinians, they are there. IDK, maybe the Israelis will find a way to make them leave, or otherwise disappear. But, in the absence of that happening, they need to come to a modus vivendi with them.

    All the resolution really means is that the Two State Solution is dead, but anyone who really follows this stuff already knows it. I have always held — since the Six Day War, which I remember very well — that the Israelis should simply control the territory and allow the non-Jews some meaningful and significant self-rule and self-control. I have no idea how that is shaking out in reality over there and I am not particularly interested. However, whether one likes it or not “democracy” is a big shibboleth in modern society and to the extent that non-Jews live under conditions of inequality and do not have the ability to control resource utilization, Israeli Jews will come under criticism. It’s not that complicated.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @SPMoore8

    The Arabs have shown their genius for democracy in all Arab countries.

    Replies: @SPMoore8

  64. @SPMoore8
    @Jack D

    There are approximately 6 million Jewish Israelis. There are 320 million Americans, and another three quarters of a billion in Europe, to mention another 6 billion people in the rest of the world who really have no connection either with Judaism, Jews, anti-semitism, or the Holocaust.

    The idea that the rest of the world has to live in fear of Jewish Israelis is megalomania run amok.

    As for the Palestinians, they are there. IDK, maybe the Israelis will find a way to make them leave, or otherwise disappear. But, in the absence of that happening, they need to come to a modus vivendi with them.

    All the resolution really means is that the Two State Solution is dead, but anyone who really follows this stuff already knows it. I have always held -- since the Six Day War, which I remember very well -- that the Israelis should simply control the territory and allow the non-Jews some meaningful and significant self-rule and self-control. I have no idea how that is shaking out in reality over there and I am not particularly interested. However, whether one likes it or not "democracy" is a big shibboleth in modern society and to the extent that non-Jews live under conditions of inequality and do not have the ability to control resource utilization, Israeli Jews will come under criticism. It's not that complicated.

    Replies: @Jack D

    The Arabs have shown their genius for democracy in all Arab countries.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    @Jack D

    I have no brief for the Arabs. My point is that a "Palestinian State" has long been construed as just a figleaf for not taking all of these non-Jews under the Israeli electoral umbrella.

    I mean, I don't see why the (Jewish) Israelis don't simply announce their control of the West Bank and then stop building in it. Most of the WB is under military control, anyway. I have no problem with that. But at the same time, why stick your finger in the eye of the non-Jews living there by putting settlements all over the place? That's the part that doesn't make any sense to me. That simply accentuates the fact that you have two populations living under drastically different sets of rules.

    Of course, we know the reason these settlements keep being built is because there are many Israelis who feel entitled to live wherever they want. OK, fine. But then, in a true democracy, that would mean that the non-Jews could live wherever they want. And so on. And we know that doesn't happen and isn't going to happen. Which is why Israel gets criticized.

    My read of human nature is that eventually the (Jewish) Israelis and everyone else will eventually form a hybrid. But to the extent that the non-Jews don't have some territory over which they have nominal control (and something more than the postage stamps of Area A), Israel is setting itself up for a civil rights movement (unless they can get the non-Jews to disappear), and that will not end well.

    Keep in mind that Israel has controlled for 50 years (come June) a non-Jewish population almost equal to its own. That's longer than the Germans controlled Alsace Lorraine, and longer than the Soviet Union controlled Eastern Europe. This is not normal in human terms and it can't last forever. So the Israeli political establishment should be looking for ways to effect positive change in this area, instead of fulminating against diplomats for stating the obvious.

    Replies: @Jack D

  65. @NOTA
    @Federalist

    Remember the example of South Africa. With enough international pressure, it could become very difficult for Israel to continue its policies toward the Palestinians. Sanctions, restrictions on financial transactions, boycotts and divestment, hassles for Israeli politicians abroad--all that stuff could seriously constrain their policies w.r.t. the Palestinians going forward. They have every incentive to push back on this as hard as they can.

    It's instructive *when* the Obama administration did this--after Obama no longer had to worry about keeping Israel, AIPAC, or the biggest supporters of Israel in Congress happy. My guess is Israel/AIPAC have heen a pain in his ass for eight years, and he saw an opportunity to get a little of his own back. Alternatively, perhaps he always felt like the Israelis were getting away with too much (w.r.t. the Palestinians, or w.r.t. US politics), and saw this as his chance to push back a bit.

    Replies: @SPMoore8, @Jim Don Bob

    I get the impression that the Israelis have been under significant international pressure for some time, but remember we are talking about a country that is the size of New Jersey and has about 13 MM all told within the borders of Greater Israel (including Gaza).

    Israel’s going to do what it’s going to do but there’s no question that the US gets a lot of grief for simply rubber stamping whatever Israel comes up with.

    The real problem is that about half of the people living there are not Jewish, and expulsion is not really on the table these days. I doubt if any Israeli government could successfully go to bat for the non-Jewish population, so it follows that the government will continue to bend to the segment of the population that wants to take more land and build more housing.

    The warning flag here is that any criticism of Israel is viewed as some kind of existential betrayal. That points to a certain amount of brittleness in whatever it is that Israel is trying to achieve long term. I mean hardly a day goes by without some Jeffrey Goldberg or someone saying that Israel can be democratic or it can be Jewish but it can’t be both (if it continues to control most of the territory), so how is this news? Because an American official stated the obvious?

  66. @Jack D
    @SPMoore8

    The Arabs have shown their genius for democracy in all Arab countries.

    Replies: @SPMoore8

    I have no brief for the Arabs. My point is that a “Palestinian State” has long been construed as just a figleaf for not taking all of these non-Jews under the Israeli electoral umbrella.

    I mean, I don’t see why the (Jewish) Israelis don’t simply announce their control of the West Bank and then stop building in it. Most of the WB is under military control, anyway. I have no problem with that. But at the same time, why stick your finger in the eye of the non-Jews living there by putting settlements all over the place? That’s the part that doesn’t make any sense to me. That simply accentuates the fact that you have two populations living under drastically different sets of rules.

    Of course, we know the reason these settlements keep being built is because there are many Israelis who feel entitled to live wherever they want. OK, fine. But then, in a true democracy, that would mean that the non-Jews could live wherever they want. And so on. And we know that doesn’t happen and isn’t going to happen. Which is why Israel gets criticized.

    My read of human nature is that eventually the (Jewish) Israelis and everyone else will eventually form a hybrid. But to the extent that the non-Jews don’t have some territory over which they have nominal control (and something more than the postage stamps of Area A), Israel is setting itself up for a civil rights movement (unless they can get the non-Jews to disappear), and that will not end well.

    Keep in mind that Israel has controlled for 50 years (come June) a non-Jewish population almost equal to its own. That’s longer than the Germans controlled Alsace Lorraine, and longer than the Soviet Union controlled Eastern Europe. This is not normal in human terms and it can’t last forever. So the Israeli political establishment should be looking for ways to effect positive change in this area, instead of fulminating against diplomats for stating the obvious.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @SPMoore8

    The Jews lived in Europe for 2,000 years without self-rule. The Arabs that live in the occupied territories have also never ruled themselves. For most of history, it was completely normal for entire nations to be ruled from afar. IMHO the whole nationalism thing is overrated - local elites like it because it increases the corruption opportunities but for the average Joe, non-corrupt rule by an imperial bureaucracy beats being ruled by the local kleptocrat every time.

    Replies: @SPMoore8

  67. @SPMoore8
    @Jack D

    I have no brief for the Arabs. My point is that a "Palestinian State" has long been construed as just a figleaf for not taking all of these non-Jews under the Israeli electoral umbrella.

    I mean, I don't see why the (Jewish) Israelis don't simply announce their control of the West Bank and then stop building in it. Most of the WB is under military control, anyway. I have no problem with that. But at the same time, why stick your finger in the eye of the non-Jews living there by putting settlements all over the place? That's the part that doesn't make any sense to me. That simply accentuates the fact that you have two populations living under drastically different sets of rules.

    Of course, we know the reason these settlements keep being built is because there are many Israelis who feel entitled to live wherever they want. OK, fine. But then, in a true democracy, that would mean that the non-Jews could live wherever they want. And so on. And we know that doesn't happen and isn't going to happen. Which is why Israel gets criticized.

    My read of human nature is that eventually the (Jewish) Israelis and everyone else will eventually form a hybrid. But to the extent that the non-Jews don't have some territory over which they have nominal control (and something more than the postage stamps of Area A), Israel is setting itself up for a civil rights movement (unless they can get the non-Jews to disappear), and that will not end well.

    Keep in mind that Israel has controlled for 50 years (come June) a non-Jewish population almost equal to its own. That's longer than the Germans controlled Alsace Lorraine, and longer than the Soviet Union controlled Eastern Europe. This is not normal in human terms and it can't last forever. So the Israeli political establishment should be looking for ways to effect positive change in this area, instead of fulminating against diplomats for stating the obvious.

    Replies: @Jack D

    The Jews lived in Europe for 2,000 years without self-rule. The Arabs that live in the occupied territories have also never ruled themselves. For most of history, it was completely normal for entire nations to be ruled from afar. IMHO the whole nationalism thing is overrated – local elites like it because it increases the corruption opportunities but for the average Joe, non-corrupt rule by an imperial bureaucracy beats being ruled by the local kleptocrat every time.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    @Jack D

    I don't necessarily disagree with you, but the dilemma is that democracy and self-determination of peoples are popular shibboleths (and so is the idea that "liberty" is sacrosanct and the only kind of "slavery" involves black people and chains, etc. etc.) So there are broader risks whether you or I like it or not.

    For example, if Israel were to officially annex even more of the WB (say, the Israeli settlements and the military occupation zones along the Jordan), then the "two state" solution would be not merely dead to those who know better, but to everyone. And who's to say whether at that point Israel is treated the way South Africa was demonized in the 1970's? We both know how that turned out.

    In this particular case I think neither the US nor American government leadership can be blamed.

  68. @The most deplorable one
    @Anon


    Obama is going full retard with the Russian thing.
     
    Wait. Didn't they get the black guy from Tropic Thunder to get Obama that you never go full retard?

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    It was Robert Downey Jr playing an Australian actor who was playing a black guy.

    A hilarious movie. Never go full retard.

  69. @NOTA
    @Federalist

    Remember the example of South Africa. With enough international pressure, it could become very difficult for Israel to continue its policies toward the Palestinians. Sanctions, restrictions on financial transactions, boycotts and divestment, hassles for Israeli politicians abroad--all that stuff could seriously constrain their policies w.r.t. the Palestinians going forward. They have every incentive to push back on this as hard as they can.

    It's instructive *when* the Obama administration did this--after Obama no longer had to worry about keeping Israel, AIPAC, or the biggest supporters of Israel in Congress happy. My guess is Israel/AIPAC have heen a pain in his ass for eight years, and he saw an opportunity to get a little of his own back. Alternatively, perhaps he always felt like the Israelis were getting away with too much (w.r.t. the Palestinians, or w.r.t. US politics), and saw this as his chance to push back a bit.

    Replies: @SPMoore8, @Jim Don Bob

    Maybe BHO just flat doesn’t like Jews. Lots of blacks don’t.

  70. @Jack D
    @SPMoore8

    The Jews lived in Europe for 2,000 years without self-rule. The Arabs that live in the occupied territories have also never ruled themselves. For most of history, it was completely normal for entire nations to be ruled from afar. IMHO the whole nationalism thing is overrated - local elites like it because it increases the corruption opportunities but for the average Joe, non-corrupt rule by an imperial bureaucracy beats being ruled by the local kleptocrat every time.

    Replies: @SPMoore8

    I don’t necessarily disagree with you, but the dilemma is that democracy and self-determination of peoples are popular shibboleths (and so is the idea that “liberty” is sacrosanct and the only kind of “slavery” involves black people and chains, etc. etc.) So there are broader risks whether you or I like it or not.

    For example, if Israel were to officially annex even more of the WB (say, the Israeli settlements and the military occupation zones along the Jordan), then the “two state” solution would be not merely dead to those who know better, but to everyone. And who’s to say whether at that point Israel is treated the way South Africa was demonized in the 1970’s? We both know how that turned out.

    In this particular case I think neither the US nor American government leadership can be blamed.

  71. @Tiny Duck
    This is mere defection. Israel is the only state where the interests of the most persecuted minority in history are taken into account

    Russia is a white Christian nation that hacked the election. To not defy Russia and agree with Obama makes you a traitor

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @Gabriel M

    This, by the way, is the real tell that Tiny Duck is an alt-right troll and not an actual SJW. No doubt, however, the alt-right brain trust will be using him as further *proof* of Jewish hypocrisy.

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