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From Nature:

Researchers voice dismay at all-male science Nobels

08 October 2021

All seven winners of this year’s science prizes were men. Some say this shows a disappointing lack of progress towards diversifying the awards.

by Katharine Sanderson

Note that by science, they mean physics, chemistry, and medicine/physiology, but not economics. Whether economics is even a Nobel Prize or not is a separate question.

The decision to award this year’s science Nobel prizes exclusively to men has been met with an outpouring of frustration and disappointment from scientists.

Last year was relatively good for Nobel prize gender equality: three out of the eight 2020 science laureates were women. But any gains for increased diversity were wiped out this week, when all seven winners of the three main science prizes were men.

NOBEL IMBALANCE. Of the more than 600 Nobel medals awarded in scientific disciplines, just 23 have gone to women.

The lack of diversity among the recipients of Nobels and other prestigious scientific prizes is frequently discussed. Since the Nobels were first awarded in 1901, there have been just 4 female physics laureates, 12 female physiology or medicine laureates and 7 female chemistry laureates (see ‘Nobel imbalance’).

But this year feels different, says Imogen Coe, a biologist at Ryerson University in Toronto, Canada. The tone of criticism has changed, she says, and the issue has become more mainstream, with more men weighing in. Over the years, Coe says, her feelings towards the Nobels shifted from excitement to anger when they were repeatedly awarded to the same demographic, and then to what she calls “meh-ness” today. This, Coe says, is because “they represent so much that is wrong with our reward and recognition systems in science”. She now sees the prizes as “an annual reminder of all the work that still needs to be done”.

All the work that still needs to be done, such as women making more Nobel-worthy discoveries, more than Madame Curie did in winning two Nobels before WWI.

Göran Hansson, secretary-general of the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences in Stockholm, which awards the science Nobels, says that the prize-selection committees are taking steps to be more inclusive. …

Also, Dr. Hansson added, “We’re the Nobel Prize, the world’s greatest brand name, so we avoid submitting to woke stupidity longer than anybody else can. That feels good, as you can tell from the expression on my face.”

But the idea that there is simply a time lag, and that women will catch up once the increased participation trickles through, is “false rhetoric”, according to Amanda Moehring, a behavioural geneticist at Western University in London, Canada. Moehring tweeted data showing that the proportion of female physicists getting PhDs since the 1980s far outweighs their representation among winners of the physics Nobel. …

Among major science awards, the Nobels stand out for their lack of women and other under-represented groups, says Lokman Meho, an information scientist at the American University of Beirut, who this year published1 an analysis of prestigious prizes. Between 2016 and 2020, he says, 19% of 138 other science prizes were won by women, compared to only 12% of Nobels.

It’s almost as if the Nobel hard science awards have to kneel to the reigning pieties less than all the 138 other science prizes you’ve never heard of.

“If we factor in that no woman scientist received a science Nobel in 2021, then women’s share of the science Nobel prizes would drop further, to around 10% in the past 6 years.”

Critics have also highlighted a lack of racial diversity among the recipients of science Nobels.

“The fact that white men are so radically over-represented among Nobel prizewinners in science tells us in no uncertain terms that we, as a society, are missing out on a whole range of new ideas and discoveries that depend on a diversity of ideas and backgrounds,” says Johnson.

As the Theory of Intersectionality proves, black women must be the best at the hard sciences. That’s why they are constantly coming up with Nobel-worthy ideas in chemistry, such as all the recent breakthroughs in the development of asymmetric organocatalysis in hair relaxers, and in physics, such as the discovery of a supermassive black hole in the center of the Milky Weave.

Also, as everybody knows, Japanese men who win Nobels are basically white. Japanese male scientists are, like, descended from Aryan Yamnaya Battle Axe Culture invaders who took a wrong turn at Belarus and conquered Japan.

 
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  1. Japanese male scientists are, like, descended from Aryan Yamnaya Battle Axe Culture invaders who took a wrong turn at Belarus and conquered Japan.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
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    , @Redneck farmer
  2. Altai says:

    Also in Nature this week.

    A model for diversifying faculty recruitment

    When junior researchers Kyle Thomas and Karena Nguyen joined a search committee, they came up with a way to put equity and inclusion centre stage.
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02726-w

    From December 2020 to March 2021, we served as trainee members of a faculty search committee for two positions in our biology department at Emory University in Atlanta, Georgia. The committee created this opportunity because it wanted more varied perspectives when it came to hiring faculty members. As well as being early-career researchers, we both identify as under-represented minorities in academia. (Who ever heard of a Nguyen in STEM?)

    In the first step towards filling the two roles, our six faculty colleagues did the initial review of applicants. We were brought in during the next stage, to sift through the 19 applications that passed that first review. During this process, we reviewed candidates’ statements about their research, teaching and approach to diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI). We then participated in a set of virtual interviews with the candidates and identified nine to continue with the recruitment process.

    With these nine candidates, we attended seminars, had one-on-one meetings and attended ‘chalk talks’, in which they pitched their future research and plans for starting their laboratory. At each stage, we provided feedback and our rankings to the search committee. Our final rankings and opinions were presented to all 40 faculty members in the department, who then voted on which candidates should receive an offer. We heard from numerous faculty members that our opinions swayed their vote on which candidates could effectively teach and mentor trainees.

    We developed a rubric to assess candidates’ DEI statements. Departments and universities are increasingly requiring candidates to include a statement in their applications about how they plan to mentor and train a diversifying STEM (science, technology, engineering and mathematics) workforce, yet these statements are often judged subjectively and without strong criteria for being classed as ‘good’. (Because the point is to hire non-whites, it being subjective is the point) Our rubric scored each candidate on four criteria: how they valued and understood DEI; their track record in advancing DEI; their track record in mentoring trainees from under-represented groups; and their plans for advancing DEI at Emory University. Having these distinct categories allowed us and our faculty colleagues to have a more objective evaluation of candidates’ statements. The department is now in the process of incorporating our rubric into future faculty searches.

    The black guys LinkedIn account is all DIE. The sidebar of ‘people also viewed’ is 100% DIE.

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/kyle-thomas-780

    The Vietnamese girl just seems to be a narcissist. (A PhD who has a website, a really cringe SoCal PhD trend that doesn’t really exist outside of there.)

    ‘I am originally from Minnesota and a proud child of Vietnamese immigrants.

  3. Altai says:

    And again, Nobels are given many many years after the research was done because it takes time to observe the importance of it. That and given there are so many people you could award from the 20th century in a backlog is why it is somewhat insane and hopeless to complain that the awardees all tend to be male. You could equally complain that the awardees are almost without exception over 50.

    • Agree: notsaying
  4. I’m sure some tired black woman scientist is studying the effects of hair touching on black bodies. Surely worthy of a Noble Prize.

  5. Consider the number of Jewish recipients of the Nobel Prize between 1901 and 2020.

    Chemistry (36 prize winners, 19% of world total, 29% of US total)
    Physics (56 prize winners, 26% of world total, 39% of US total)
    Physiology or Medicine (57 prize winners, 26% of world total, 38% of US total)

    http://www.jinfo.org/Nobel_Prizes.html

    Nobody who works in these fields doubts that these Nobel Prizes were earned. However, the current belief system has a glaring inconsistency in that it does not question the number of Jewish winners (drawn from 0.2% of the world population, and 2.5% of the US population), and yet it thinks that white people in general do not deserve so many prizes.

    The current belief system deliberately ignores evidence that does not fit its preconceived and juvenile ideas of equalism.

  6. Battle Axe Culture invaders who took a wrong turn at Belarus and conquered Japan

    WE COME FROM RAND OF ICEU AND SNOW
    FROM MIDNIGHT SUN WHERE HOT SPRINGS FROW

  7. Gordo says:
    @James N. Kennett

    The current belief system deliberately ignores evidence that does not fit its preconceived and juvenile ideas of equalism.

    It’s the elephant in the living room, any talk about Nobel disparity that doesn’t mention the Ashkenazi and focuses on gender is deliberately diverting the discourse.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  8. notsaying says:

    I do not care who gets them (well, no axe murderers please) as long as they deserve them.

    I feel the same about elections. I have voted for minorities and women but I don’t care who I vote for as far as categories are concerned.

    I am willing to believe that it’s hard to be a women or minority in science and that women and minorities have to work harder to get the good jobs. Honestly that may be the real issue here: that the people quoted have had to struggle in their own careers to get where they are and they want the ultimate rewards to go to some people like them.

    But the Nobels aren’t rewards for virtue or overcoming challenges. They are awards for creativity and talent that is applied to solving our most challenging scientific problems and unanswered questions. They go to people whose discoveries made big contributions to their fields and often inspire additional research. Those people are who they are, in my view. If there are women and minorities who should have gotten these prizes or deserve them in the future, why don’t any of the complainers name names? Who are the lights hidden under the bushel? I am dying to know, I really am.

  9. There’s a good line in that silly movie A Beautiful Mind where Russell crowes mentor shows the faculty congratulating someone for winning a Nobel:

    “What do you see, John?”

    “I see recognition.”

    “Well, try seeing *accomplishment*.”

    I’m often reminded of the many people who don’t see the difference.

  10. @James N. Kennett

    I started out in a chemistry major at Berkeley in 1986. I persisted for almost 2 years before I gave up and acknowledged that I wasn’t cut out for pure chemistry. But there were lots of females in my classes who got A’s and truly mastered stuff like quantitative analysis and organic chemistry. Very few, however, were up for a career in research chemistry itself. Most of the women (and men, for that matter) were taking these classes with a view towards medical school.

    Some chem students were brilliant, obviously destined for the research/academic track. They were working with professors as undergrads, and tutoring slower students (me!). Guess what? Those were all male, white and Asian. Nerds, to be sure, but in love with chemicals and equations and reactions and all relevant technology.

    My conclusion is that the obsession to be someone smart and creative enough to win a Nobel prize in chemistry (or physics, which is harder and more abstract) is found almost exclusively in males. These social egalitarians need to quit thinking that this is bad. God forbid that we should discourage guys who find their meaning in their research and lose out on what they may discover.

  11. ic1000 says:

    But the idea that there is simply a time lag, and that women will catch up once the increased participation trickles through, is “false rhetoric”, according to Amanda Moehring

    Agree

    • Replies: @ic1000
  12. Anonymous[334] • Disclaimer says:

    In another trend, 100% of male peacocks have won their Nobel for feathers.

    Not a single female even nominated.

    No wonder Natural Law is so unpopular among losers.

  13. El Dato says:

    This Continual Moan Culture “BUT MUH DESERVATION” is atrocious. I detest those whiney people

    Last year was relatively good for Nobel prize gender equality: three out of the eight 2020 science laureates were women. But any gains for increased diversity were wiped out this week, when all seven winners of the three main science prizes were men.

    You know that when it’s a statistically improbable 50%/50% every single year going forward, they will demand more black researchers be given the Nobel prize. After that that, more lesbians. Then, more transes. Then chimera cybernetic people transhumanists who use their aural conduits as sexual organs. And it will still not be enough.

    Over the years, Coe says, her feelings towards the Nobels shifted from excitement to anger when they were repeatedly awarded to the same demographic, and then to what she calls “meh-ness” today. This, Coe says, is because “they represent so much that is wrong with our reward and recognition systems in science”.

    I don’t care what Coe feels. She is the antithesis of a researcher, hot for prizes instead of results.

    She now sees the prizes as “an annual reminder of all the work that still needs to be done”.

    That’s NOT the work that needs to be done. Where’s your f*cking research paper?

    But they have time to pointlessly massage numbers

    Lokman Meho, an information scientist at the American University of Beirut, who this year published1 an analysis of prestigious prizes. Between 2016 and 2020, he says, 19% of 138 other science prizes were won by women, compared to only 12% of Nobels.

    “Nobel prizes, like radioactive decay, should follow a completely random distribution over the research community”.

  14. @notsaying

    If there are women and minorities who should have gotten these prizes or deserve them in the future, why don’t any of the complainers name names? Who are the lights hidden under the bushel? I am dying to know, I really am.

    There are a bunch of Nobel-deserving non-Nobeled ones, but they are, again- white men.

  15. So, is it Nature or nurture that explains the imbalance?

  16. ic1000 says:
    @ic1000

    Dorian Abbot and Ivan Marinovic in Newsweek, the August Op-Ed that triggered Abbot’s recent cancellation by Twitter and MIT:

    …”equity” does not mean fair and equal treatment. DEI seeks to increase the representation of some groups through discrimination against members of other groups. The underlying premise of DEI is that any statistical difference between group representation on campus and national averages reflects systemic injustice and discrimination by the university itself…

    DEI violates the ethical and legal principle of equal treatment… DEI compromises the university’s mission. The core business of the university is the search for truth…

    We propose an alternative framework called Merit, Fairness, and Equality (MFE) whereby university applicants are treated as individuals and evaluated through a rigorous and unbiased process based on their merit and qualifications alone…

    Nature writer Katherine Sanderson and her quotees Imogen Coe, Amanda Moehring, Kelsey Johnson, and Lokman Meho haven’t remarked on Abbot’s defenestration — the Cause requires a disciplined division of labor, so triumphalist gloating can be supplied by other academics.

    Marie Curie was unavailable for comment.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  17. notsaying says:
    @Altai

    Who would want look for a job in academia these days and have to jump through all these extra hoops about things outside your field?

    Does this mean to say these two diversity champs cut down the job candidates from 19 to 9 themselves using their own very narrow criteria? That is sure what it sounds like to me. That is crazy:

    “We were brought in during the next stage, to sift through the 19 applications that passed that first review. During this process, we reviewed candidates’ statements about their research, teaching and approach to diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI). We then participated in a set of virtual interviews with the candidates and identified nine to continue with the recruitment process.’”

    This is more like putting presidential candidates through primaries and general elections. To be process is so long and exhausting that many great people will refuse to participate.

    • Replies: @Altai
  18. Where’s Muh Smart Fraction to stand up against this madness? Gosh, it’s as if a collection of super duper smart folks with no loyalty to anyone just don’t have much moral courage.

    As if you should first be loyal to your people to find courage.

  19. Since we are on the topic of European-White Brain Power…

    Steve

    Have you heard of James Croll? Amazing but true story…There is a YouTube documentary about him……There was an American version of James Croll. This guy found a flaw in a very complicated calculation of the great Laplace among other things. Michael Faraday was another….So was George Boole…..You can be an anti-blank slater…a really strong innatist and come put rejecting IQ test score psychometrics for underlying conceptual reasons(as opposed to Taleb’s statistical attack on IQ test score psychometrics….

  20. AndrewR says:
    @James N. Kennett

    Jewish supremacy demands that the percentage of Jews winning cash and prizes stays the same or increases even as the share of “white people” decreases

  21. Kuru says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Well, Nazi Germany and Apartheid South Africa both had Japanese down as honourary Aryan and White respectively, those old timey race ideologues must have based this on something concrete…

  22. Altai says:
    @notsaying

    What’s left unsaid is that candidates will be judged if white on how much they facilitate the ethnocentric interests of non-whites. Yes you’re white, but maybe we’ll hire you if you train up non-whites in your lab.

    Oh you’re capable of independent thinking and aversion to group think and feel uncomfortable about certain boundaries being crossed? Yes, me too, all this wokeness sounds bad for Israel! Oh you mean about white gentiles! You’re a bigot and don’t deserve to be in academia.

    But I really just enjoy the gall of somebody named Nguyen pretending to be from an oppressed group in America.

    Meanwhile non-whites are supported in their ethnocentric hiring practices in their labs. Way back when the controversy about the Wuhan lab came up in early 2020 the part that interested me most about the Chinese ‘Bat lady’ whose government lab in Canada was implicated in smuggling samples and data back to China was how nobody was bothered that she hired an entirely Chinese lab staff in a Canadian lab. And, surprise, they engaged in industrial espionage.

    • Agree: JerseyJeffersonian
  23. Giorgio Parisi, who took half the Nobel in Physics this year, works in the field of statistical mechanics of complex systems. According to PiltdownCousins 1 & 2, both working physicists, it is an immensely challenging field, requiring high levels of creativity, if you are to further progress in the field, in addition to being, as with much in physics, quite abstract and mathematically challenging. The number of women who could even understand the field well enough to comprehend it at the graduate level is pretty small. The number of women who can tackle it and excel in creative research contributions, they say, is likely zero, as with many other fields in physics, at any given time.

    Many of the people who complain about women not being represented, or blacks, or whatever, in pure science, have no capacity to even begin to understand the level of cognitive functioning needed to work in these fields. They can’t even, of course, understand basic statistics and the difference in variance in ability between men and women, even when mean ability is the same.

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    , @J.Ross
    , @SafeNow
  24. Currahee says:

    Telephone for Larry Summers!

  25. Alfa158 says:

    “Some say” = “I and all my friends say”.

    Any outrage about the fact that the over-representation of Jews in the science Nobels is even more massive than the over-representation of men in general? Or is that the only case where it’s OK to speak the truth and say the science Nobels reflect genuine differences in ability and interests? I recall once reading a factoid that back when Jews were still being restricted in admissions to elite universities, graduates of the City College of New York had won more science Nobels than Harvard graduates.

  26. Jack D says:
    @Altai

    we both identify as under-represented minorities in academia

    I love the “identify as” formulation. This means that you really aren’t what you say. Trannies “identify as” something other than what they really are. Maybe the Vietnamese girl “identifies as” Latino – Latinos and Asians are sometimes mistaken for each other. This would be the only way that an Asian could be an under-represented minority in academia nowadays. At Berkeley, 40% of the students are Asian and only 29% are white, so whites are now the “under-represented minority”.

    The DEI coordinators are similar to the Communist Party commissars that were installed in every Soviet organization. The regular leadership of an organization might be dedicated to the goals of that organization – say the study of biology. But the Commissars would be there to make sure that such study and all hiring was done in accordance with the dictates of the Party.

    At this point, if you are a white male you really have to be nuts to stay in academia. It was always a tough row to hoe in most fields – endless years as a poorly paid PhD. student and then a post-doc and to get a real tenure track job you basically had to wait for someone to die. If by some miracle/heart attack a tenure track job came up, there were dozens of candidates vying for it. But now, it’s fudgedaboutit. Even if your academic work is top notch, you are going to have to please the Commissars of DIEversity with your commitment to the Party and chances are that you will always be found wanting in comparison to someone who “identifies as” an under-represented minority no matter how much “minority outreach” you engage in. Y’all better be hunting for your Cherokee ancestors.

    Or else, get the hell out of academia and find a job in an industry where the Party has not yet fully infiltrated. Of course, this does not bode well for the future of American science. Getting rid of your most talented people in favor of hacks with the right combination of blood line and politics rarely turns out well.

  27. Japanese male scientists are, like, descended from Aryan Yamnaya Battle Axe Culture invaders who took a wrong turn at Belarus and conquered Japan.

    Actually, there is something to this. Recall that during the Ice Age Japan was connected to mainland Asia through two routes, via Korea as well as Hokkaidō.

    View post on imgur.com


    The Ancient North Eurasians, whom the Yamnaya largely descended from and inherited light hair eyes, may have partly contributed to Hokkaidō Jōmon.

    View post on imgur.com

    Though the Jōmon people themselves descended mainly from East Asian lineages, one study found an affinity between Hokkaido Jōmon with the Northern Eurasian Yana sample (an ANE-related group, related to Mal’ta), and suggest as an explanation the possibility of minor Yana gene flow into the Hokkaido Jōmon population (as well as other possibilities).[25]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_North_Eurasian
    Archaeogenetics is fascinating stuff, but probably will not be considered for Nobels.

    [MORE]

    So far as the Chinese, the connection to Yamnaya maybe through the 3000 BC eastward migration initiating the Afanasievo culture. The Zhou 周 dynasty (1046 – 256 BC) is testifiably northern Mongoloid through Terra Cotta warriors, but before that still awaits archaeological evidence.

    View post on imgur.com

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @El Dato
  28. 2BR says:

    They could stop giving hard science Nobels to US, British, German, and Japanese men tomorrow and it would be meaningless. The discoveries they are awarding for were made years, decades ago. We have the benefits.This isn’t the Oscars. The terrifying thought is that young men such as these – now – will no longer go into science at all, will no longer receive grants, will be denied places in universities or in medical schools. That is probably already happening in the US and Great Britain. Where will these men go? Facebook?

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  29. Jack D says:
    @PiltdownMan

    You are working from an old paradigm – that the persons who gets the Nobel Prize for Physics should be the persons who have made the greatest contribution to the advancement of Physics. There is no reason why this has to be true. As soon as the Nobel Committee gets sufficiently woke (any day now) the Committee will take into account other factors such as your race and gender and commitment to DIEveristy and whether the demographics of the prize winners matches the ratios in the global population. Once you weigh in those other factors, making novel discoveries concerning “spin glasses” and other sheeet that no one understands or cares about may (literally) pale in comparison.

    As you contemplate this, please allow me to entertain you with this diverting ditty:

  30. Shouldn’t the Medicine/Physiology award be widened to Biology/Ecology? Then women ought to stand a better chance.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  31. They shoulda given the Medicine&Physiology award to George Floyd.

    • Replies: @Professional Slav
  32. • Replies: @El Dato
  33. @Jack D

    At this point, if you are a white male you really have to be nuts to stay in academia. It was always a tough row to hoe in most fields – endless years as a poorly paid PhD. student and then a post-doc and to get a real tenure track job you basically had to wait for someone to die

    DON’T BECOME A SCIENTIST!

    Are you thinking of becoming a scientist? Do you want to uncover the mysteries of nature, perform experiments or carry out calculations to learn how the world works? Forget it!

    Science is fun and exciting. The thrill of discovery is unique. If you are smart, ambitious and hard working you should major in science as an undergraduate. But that is as far as you should take it. After graduation, you will have to deal with the real world. That means that you should not even consider going to graduate school in science. Do something else instead: medical school, law school, computers or engineering, or something else which appeals to you.

    http://katz.fastmail.us/scientist.html

    Problem is: now even those other paths are becoming blocked to white men. But for sure, science as a career path sucks.

    STEM is a big propaganda machine.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @AnotherDad
  34. Anonymous[831] • Disclaimer says:

    Journalism must be the easiest job in the world these days.
    Why spend weeks digging out a story and exposing the corruption of the mighty when you can just identify anything that isn’t totally dominated by either black people or women and then complain about it?

    • Agree: El Dato
  35. ic1000 says:

    “Video, or it didn’t happen.”

    This article might have been about:
    * Does the low proportion of Nobel awards to women mean that accomplishments of the highest-performing female scientists are going unrecognized?
    * Are the most talented women being thwarted and derailed by the science establishment? How big a problem is this?

    But Sanderson’s piece is not that, and the scientists she chooses to quote are not posing those questions.

    Rather, scientists — males too! — are frustrated and disappointed that the gains for increased diversity were wiped out this week. One biologist is angry at the injustice, and at Nobels going for “meh” level work. An astronomer says that the demographics of these awards are a gaping and infected wound. That so many go to white men is clear evidence that a range of important new ideas and discoveries are being ignored, perhaps even strangled at birth.

    They’re mad as hell and they’re not going to take it any more.

    Right.

    In that case: Sanderson, Coe, Moehring, Johnson, Meho, and their many scientist and Twitter-mob allies can make a list. The list of women and oppressed-minority who obviously deserve Nobel recognition, but have been passed over by the committee. Not upper-three-decile experimentalists and theorists whose work is better than most of their peers — the standard that Sanderson et al. have set for themselves is the very best. I want the names of the tip-top people who have been screwed.

    List, or it didn’t happen.

    .
    Edit: “Of the more than 600 Nobel medals awarded in scientific disciplines, just 23 have gone to women.”

    Arithmetic tells us the minimum number of missing female laureates:
    (601 – 23) * 50% = 289

    List with 289 names, or it didn’t happen.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @nokangaroos
    , @Yngvar
  36. @Altai

    It’s not our country or society anymore. We either create our own communities with our own values or we play by their rules.

    Simple as that.

  37. Anonymous[234] • Disclaimer says:

    The demands will never stop until 50% of of awardees are women and at least 12% are blacks. Of course, by the time it happens our science, just like the rest of the society, will be in ruins.

  38. J.Ross says:

    A doctor named Pierre Kory is claiming on Twitter that Congress has been receiving ivermectin from before the horse paste forcememe. Twitter’s not letting me link it, possibly because it’s about to be censored, and Kory (while respectable himself) is relying on an anonymous source rather than probably-obtainable documents.
    Could an MD in this situation make a public health ethics argument about publicizing prescription information, considering that not publicizing it means enabling a two-tier system and preventable deaths? Reminder that the famous epidemiologist Gretchen Whitmer forbade Michiganders from several pharmaceutical interventions in order to force people to get myocarditis.

  39. J.Ross says:
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Steve was having fun, it is a type of sarcasm, very similar to Trump’s trick of forcing the lyingpress to tell the truth by letting them think they had a simple correction, when the quibble is actually academic and the public hadn’t properly been aware of the larger issue.

  40. Alfred Nobel’s Other Mistake.

    Change the will so that deads can win. Give Miss Meitner one, and Mrs. Curie another.

  41. Roger says:

    How many gays? Moslems? Non-binaries? Young? Homeless? Africans? Trump supporters? Convicted felons? Disabled? The possibilities for complaints are endless.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  42. J.Ross says:
    @PiltdownMan

    But has not Rakim of Oakland already anticipated this, by simply mandating that computers be made easier, like TV?
    It is not just the women and minorities who are blinded by unknown unknowns, but the global leadership which enables them. If it wasn’t for our literal crackhead ruling class, none of these problem-questing complaints would matter.

  43. A friend, who is an exceptionally accomplished theoretical physicist, wrote this regarding the current Nobel Laureates in Physics (I’ve edited his comments to disguise his identity and make sure he does not receive unpleasant attention from the Woke):

    This is a pathetic Nobel Prize, which stinks of PC.

    Pathetic, because a vast number of people did important work in ”complexity theory” a.k.a. modern dynamical systems theory and they have been ignored.

    I know Parisi’s work. Parisi solved the mean-field spin glass. He expended much effort attempting to demonstrate that physical, i.e. finite range, spin glass has the same physics. But it doesn’t. So where is the physical confirmation of a theory?

    Unless one uses a very big umbrella here, e.g. “dynamical systems theory”, Parisi’s work has nothing to do with that of these climate modelers. So, why put those 3 people together on a Prize?

    I guess the point here is to give the authority of Big Science to AGW.

    “Scientific” American will probably devote a whole issue to this year’s Nobel Physics Prize.

  44. Jmaie says:
    @notsaying

    “I do not care who gets them (well, no axe murderers please) as long as they deserve them.”

    If the award is deserved I’m OK with a Nobel going to an axe murderer.

  45. @Bardon Kaldian

    “The Japanese, though Yellow in the face, are White in the mind”.

  46. @International Jew

    He should at least get half. After all, discovering that having 90% and 75% occluded coronary arteries does not actually cause extra strain on the heart has massive implications for how we treat heart disease (the #1 killer in the US)!
    The other half should go to the expert doctor who testified to that fact.

  47. El Dato says:
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    The inland sea must have been fabulous.

    Meanwhile in computing:

    Using the construction “Quantum Supremacy” with some gusto.

    But damn. Scott Aaronson looks more and more like Murray Rothbard!

  48. “The fact that white men are so radically over-represented among Nobel prizewinners in science tells us in no uncertain terms that we, as a society, are missing out on a whole range of new ideas and discoveries that depend on a diversity of ideas and backgrounds,” says Johnson.

    That’s so vague, there are so many different types of white men. How about by ethnicity? Could there, perhaps, be one ethnic group that predominates over the others and has a disproportionate share of Nobel prizes? I’d like to see what the researchers come up with

    • Replies: @anonymous
  49. @Jack D

    Wow i can go years without hearing Gil Scott Heron and now i run into him two days in a row.His music was prominently featured in the new Sopranos prequel during the Newark riot scenes.

  50. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jack D

    The DEI coordinators are similar to the Communist Party commissars that were installed in every Soviet organization. The regular leadership of an organization might be dedicated to the goals of that organization – say the study of biology. But the Commissars would be there to make sure that such study and all hiring was done in accordance with the dictates of the Party.

    Indeed, they are exactly the same. Commitment to DIE is now an obligation at just about every university or post K-12 school. Applicants are required to submit a DIE statement. It amounts to a loyalty oath to the woke-regime. Maybe before it was all done with a wink and a nod, but now those applications will be vetted by little Red Guards like the two described in that article.

    The result will be, as you say, the ultimate decline and death of scientific research in academia. That research is already dying due to bureaucratic sclerosis in the government agencies that fund most of it. I can easily foresee a time when universities are nothing but Potemkin villages of research, staffed by SJW dullards who pretend to do science, while spending most of their time and attention on jetting off to DIE conferences and hectoring people about how racist/sexist/yada-yada-yada society is.

  51. Mr. Anon says:
    @ic1000

    In that case: Sanderson, Coe, Moehring, Johnson, Meho, and their many scientist and Twitter-mob allies can make a list. The list of women and oppressed-minority who obviously deserve Nobel recognition, but have been passed over by the committee. Not upper-three-decile experimentalists and theorists whose work is better than most of their peers — the standard that Sanderson et al. have set for themselves is the very best. I want the names of the tip-top people who have been screwed.

    Good Point. And why don’t they solicit Melinda Gates or McKenzie Bezos or Laurene Jobs to endow a rival prize that would be given to those women (or vagina-owners or whatever they’re called now) and POC (excuse me, BIPOC, no wait – ………. well, whatever they’re called now) and LGBT (or …….. LGBTTSUEKDYUG+ ………… or …….. forget it …….. this text box isn’t big enough) who have been passed over for recognition by the Nobel committee. They have enough money to endow a much bigger prize than the Nobel even. So ……… what are they waiting for?

  52. Muggles says:

    Funny we don’t see any articles complaining about the lack of diversity in medals awarded for sprinting or long distance racing.

    Nearly all of those are won by Negroes from various places, including the US but in some instances, mainly African.

    Is this some major problem to be “solved”?

    No one is preventing non Whites or non Asians from attending science/math classes are they?

    Of course this current leftist/Woke phase of trying to deny biology is going to fade soon.

    You can only burn so many witches before the dogs start to bark again.

  53. No one is preventing non Whites or non Asians from attending science/math classes are they?

    This is effectively being done in school districts where they refuse to discipline or remove disruptive students. See also the “mainstreaming” of those who are developmentally disabled and worse.

    After all the purpose of many public school systems is to hire more administrators, staff and teachers, not to actually teach students anything beyond what’s in the state mandated tests. Which between practice tests, and practice tests for the practice tests, doesn’t leave much time for anything else (I swear I am not making this up last detail).

  54. Veracitor says:

    The decision to award this year’s science Nobel prizes exclusively to men has been met with an outpouring of frustration and disappointment from scientists. [emphasis added]

    The decision . . . ?” Joseph Goebbels could not have written a more wicked sentence.

    There is, of course, no single, master decision on the sex ratio of awardees. The wokesters are only frustrated and disappointed because they wish for such a decision so they can make it.

    (The writer was also clever to stick the word “exclusively” in there (rather than, for example, “entirely”) since that sets up the DIE watchword “inclusion” as the prayed-for antidote to the wholly imaginary evil of the non-existent decision.)

  55. VladIII says:

    Not sure if this is iSteve worthy, but some folks are campaigning to reduce nighttime lighting in large cities: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/10/7/2055974/-The-first-major-city-in-the-United-States-passes-a-dark-sky-ordinance

    My favorite part: “. . . to benefit those in poorer neighborhoods who are disproportionately negatively affected by wasteful overlighting.”

    Yeah, it’s nice to see the stars at night, but I’d wager the only residents of poorer neighborhoods wanting this “benefit” are criminals.

  56. J.Ross says:

    you’ll never see this coming but it turns out that formerly respectable authority figures lied about a certain disease. how’s the president’s son doing, has he lit himself on fire again?

    In an article published by New York Times reporter Apoorva Mandavilli on Wednesday, Times readers were told that “nearly 900,000 children have been hospitalized with COVID-19 since the pandemic began.”

    A correction issued on Thursday notes that the correct number is 63,000 between August 2020 and October 2021, which means Mandavilli exaggerated the number of child hospitalizations by 837,000 cases. Approximately 500 American children have eventually died from the disease. The exaggeration was included in a report on the debate surrounding whether and how to vaccinate children.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/york-times-retracts-massive-exaggeration-163906675.html

    • Replies: @Alice in Wonderland
  57. Nature: Researchers Voice Dismay at All-Male Science Nobels

    (Mother) Nature: “This means an equal distribution of X and Y chromosomes. What’s ‘unbalanced’ about that?

    “Maybe I did this for a good reason. That ever cross your unnatural minds?”

  58. njguy73 says:

    Create a Nobel Prize in Neuroscience. I hear that’s a field with many prominent women. And the field needs more publicity.

    You’re welcome.

  59. El Dato says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Yep. It’s false rhetoric. Basically woke phlogiston.

    Phlogistoning a dead horse.

  60. @Jack D

    It was always a tough row to hoe in most fields…

    Who you callin a “hoe”, cracka? Imo smack yo’ white ass.

  61. SafeNow says:
    @PiltdownMan

    “the difference in variance in ability between men and women, even when mean ability is the same.”

    Yes, the variance. Larry Summers lost his job as Harvard’s president because he speculated that for STEM, out in the farthest part of the right tail, that is territory occupied overwhelmingly by men and not women. I will add that out in that far far right tail, Chinese scientists are rarely found.

    Btw, speaking of the right tail, I am not anywhere in there when it comes to understanding how to place my quote into that nifty white rectangle. Which is why I always place it in quotation marks. I am not lazy; I am just not anywhere in that right tail when it comes to computer interfaces.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  62. @ic1000

    are treated as individuals and evaluated through a rigorous and unbiased process based on their merit and qualifications alone

    The left considers this to be a dogwhistle.

    • Agree: Jack D, ic1000
    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  63. Jack D says:
    @Paperback Writer

    If you go to any lab, you’ll see lots and lots of furreners for this reason. And especially furreners among the few females. Most American females (esp. black females), even if they had the academic chops to do high level science, don’t want to do this kind of hard work for low pay when they could get some better paying job being a DIEversicrat or some job where you can dress nicely and interact with humans. But if you are a highly intelligent Iranian woman you might think that getting a gig as a math professor is pretty good. The irony is that there are more female scientists coming from unWoke countries than there are from the US.

    • Agree: PiltdownMan
    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  64. But this year feels different, says Imogen Coe, a biologist at Ryerson University in Toronto, Canada. The tone of criticism has changed, she says, and the issue has become more mainstream, with more men weighing in. Over the years, Coe says, her feelings towards the Nobels shifted from excitement to anger when they were repeatedly awarded to the same demographic, and then to what she calls “meh-ness” today. This, Coe says, is because “they represent so much that is wrong with our reward and recognition systems in science”. She now sees the prizes as “an annual reminder of all the work that still needs to be done”.

    Take this in.

    (I had the misfortune to bing this gal. Do not do it! It’s exactly what you’d expect.)

    Note: smart women can certainly do serious science. AnotherMom has a well regarded paper from her dissertation that’s climbed toward–not quite there yet–1000 cites. And the CRISPR gals show women can occasionally pop up with top level breakthrough work. But statistically, women are much less likely to have very top level smarts and creativity. (Genetically they are the table, not the dice.)

    What we can’t allow is women insisting that science must somehow conform to their emotional desires.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @YetAnotherAnon
  65. Jack D says:
    @SafeNow

    Btw, speaking of the right tail, I am not anywhere in there when it comes to understanding how to place my quote into that nifty white rectangle.

    Highlight what you want to quote and then hit the Blockquote button at the top of the comment box.

    If you want to be real fancy you can use the HTML tags – to start the blockquote you type

    {blockquote} and {/blockquote} to end (except you use greater than and less than signs (above the comma and period on the keyboard) rather than curly brackets – if I actually used the signs then it would try to parse it as such).

    • Replies: @SafeNow
  66. @ic1000

    (601 – 2*23) * 50% = 277.5 , you female chauvinist sow.

    I´m OK with rounding up to 279 to account for the actual demographics.

    But it´s an open secret the Committee have scoured the journals far and wide for decades in search for any intersectionality halfway worthy …
    Given how many literally stumbled onto their Nobels – say, Penzias and Wilson –
    which Hidden Figures did they plagiarize from?

    • Replies: @ic1000
  67. Jack D says:
    @AnotherDad

    Sure we can, it’s just that it won’t be science anymore. China is already eating our lunch. In the future, even with their own idiot dictator, they will eat our lunch AND dinner.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  68. @Paperback Writer

    DON’T BECOME A SCIENTIST!

    You’re certainly right PW, that any academic career has become difficult for white guys. You can’t just work, you have to bow and scrap to a bunch of minoritarian lies and pieties. And then still the deck will be stacked.

    STEM however is a pretty great career for women actually interested in it.

    The whole DIE quota/bean counting tilts career advancement in your favor, and the competition–while much higher caliber–is much less numerous than in the soft fields women naturally flock to.

    Then there’s sexual competition. Any woman who isn’t outright ugly or dykey can easily land themselves a somewhat nerdy but smart, decent, high-quality guy. The sex skew just hands you aces. All you have to do is play. Yeah, your kids probably won’t be the high school quarterback or be headed to Hollyweird–but that’s a good thing. Smart, academically oriented kids make family life pretty fun. They actually like learning stuff, so you can teach them stuff and have intelligent conversations.

    For girls so inclined–STEM’s a good choice.

  69. Dismay at All-Male Science Nobels

    I am dismayed too. There needs to be a movement where men and normies demand that women begin pulling their weight. Think of where we would be if women were creating and inventing things at the same rate as men. Instead what we get is the normal pissing and moaning.

  70. @Gordo

    The current belief system deliberately ignores evidence that does not fit its preconceived and juvenile ideas of equalism.

    It’s the elephant in the living room…

    Is this an African or an Indian elephant? If you put cinnamon sugar on naan, is that an Indian elephant ear? Is it smaller?

    Perhaps these two worthy jurists have the answers:

    • Replies: @El Dato
  71. SafeNow says:
    @Jack D

    Highlight what you want to quote and then hit the Blockquote button at the top of the comment box.

    Thank you. Let’s see if this works. Uh oh. Right now the words “blockquote” appear before and after my quote. No white rectangle. I am guessing and hoping that once I hit “publish comment,” those blockquote words we will disappear, and the white rectangle will appear.

    • Replies: @SafeNow
    , @res
  72. SafeNow says:
    @SafeNow

    It worked! Thank you again. In the movie The Heist, Gene Hackmsn says that whenever he is stumped by a problem in a particular field, he imagines that he is someone smarter than himself in that particular field. So, the next time I have a computer interface problem, I will imagine I am Jack D.

  73. @AnotherDad

    For girls so inclined–STEM‘s a good choice.

    Stick to
    Tradition:
    Enter into
    Marriage.

    We are more likely to need the children of these women than the lab work. Funny how that works.

    • Replies: @Thea
  74. @J.Ross

    about 250 kids under 15 have died of covid in the USA

    flu kills more kids than that

    https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-by-Sex-and-Age/9bhg-hcku

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  75. @2BR

    [We already have the benefits of Nobelist’s research.] The terrifying thought is that young men such as these – now – will no longer go into science at all, will no longer receive grants, will be denied places in universities or in medical schools. That is probably already happening in the US and Great Britain. Where will these men go? Facebook?

    Yes, as a matter of fact, as long as they are or can pretend to be woke; FAANG plus “Wall Street” for those good at math pay a lot more than SCIENCE!!! does, which has been subject to extreme efforts to lower the money payed for science labor since Reagan made one Erich Bloch the head of the National Science Foundation (NSF), our top pure science Federal organization. This guy being the first and only director without a Ph.D., and one of a very few who weren’t scientists (did early computer stuff at IBM). Started this even when the pipeline for biologists was completely stuffed.

    Medical schools are an increasingly lost cause (and that’s truly terrifying to an old guy like me, plus too many women drop out of the field after a while), for science maybe we’ll have to go back to old models of research and funding, create a parallel system that mostly eschews expensive Big Science. At this point it’s hard to see even the hard sciences holding the line against the woke; MIT sure isn’t.

  76. @AnotherDad

    STEM however is a pretty great career for women actually interested in it.

    It does, however, require a great deal of self-discipline to not slack off when the wheels are greased for you. Kinda like the self-discipline required to be a real, honest with his or her work scientist. Otherwise you might end up being a net drain on SCIENCE!!! as a poor one, or a poor administrator. And as COVID has shown, sometimes nature imposes final exams you can’t cheat your way out of.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  77. @That Would Be Telling

    It does, however, require a great deal of self-discipline to not slack off when the wheels are greased for you

    One usefully PC reason for the lack of women and NAMs in tech is that the pay isn’t rewarding enough. White and various Asian nerds live with this because they find the work itself rewarding.

    And as COVID has shown, sometimes nature imposes final exams you can’t cheat your way out of.

    Experienced genealogists are often hard-headed women. No illusions for them. Y is Y, X is X, and that is that. You ain’t gettin’ into the DAR, the General Society, or the First Families just on the notes scribbled in the front of Grandma’s Bible. It’s fun to watch these ladies deal with the many dreamers their field also attracts.

    Of course, some dreams are not only true, but self-evident, with a little reflection. Blacks certainly do descend from “kangs”. Who do you think was siring the majority of the children in the rainforest? Not the eunuchs!

    • Replies: @ic1000
    , @Paperback Writer
  78. @Jack D

    Right on cue, there’s here a Basketball American physicist, Stephon Alexander with a book Jazz of Physics, at the end of the video you can see him playing the sax

    He also has new book out, with a title that almost trolls iSteve Fear of a Black Universe: an Outsider’s Guide to the Future of Physics

    But the thing is, by looking at his papers, he’s certainly some who’s mastered the high level math, representation theory, Lie algebra, riemannian geometry needed for particle and relativistic physics. Peter Woit of Not Even Wrong had this to say about him:

    A major theme of the book (with which I’m very sympathetic) is that the community doing this sort of theoretical physics desperately needs to get out of its current rut and open itself to new ideas, which often will come from “outsiders”. One aspect of being an “outsider” that Alexander has experienced is difference in racial background, but he’s concerned with a more general context of hostility to ideas that aren’t those currently favored by “insiders”. While he started out his career doing string theory, he has moved in different directions over the years. He explains that as a postdoc at SLAC he invited Lee Smolin to come and lecture on loop quantum gravity, something which was not at all well received by the local string theorists.

    https://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=12492

    Woit if you follow his blog is very left leaning. But this is an interesting take. Two of the three Nobelists, Hasselmann and Manabe, lean towards applied and computational physics. Parisi is a bona fide theoretical physicist (as well as mathematical physicist).

    As Woit strains to argue, theoretical physics is at a bottleneck stage without any foreseeable major breakthroughs for decades to come. The main question is the Theory of Everything (ToE), of quantum gravity, that unifies general relativity and quantum mechanics.

    The main candidate theory, string theory, has strayed so far away from experimental (Popper) falsifiability, that it is become more a branch of math than science (its leading figure, Edward Witten, has won the Fields Medal but not Nobel), hence Not Even Wrong. But in order to get a job in theoretical physics, you almost have to specialize in string theory, hence in a sense feeding into a ponzi scheme.

    Yeah this Alexander guy is probably more famous and wealthy because he’s a negro. But by being somewhat of a rebel by moving to the main challenger model, loop quantum gravity, and coming up with provokative ideas such as,
    https://www.wired.com/story/so-what-if-aliens-quantum-computers-explain-dark-energy/
    …are the kind of thinking that propels progress, and is something that orientals, for better or worse, are typically very timid about.

  79. @AnotherDad

    Ms Coe seems to be a privately educated Brit, a childless dog mom built like a brick outhouse. She works in vibrant Toronto, but prefers to live well outside it.

    OTOH she seems to be doing useful work, if, knowing nothing about nucleoside transporters except that they get stuff across cell membranes, one can be any judge.

    It’s a pity she’s got a bee in her bonnet. I’m always a bit leery of people who put their qualifications in their twutter handle – she’s “Dr. Imogen R. [email protected]”.

  80. Anon 2 says:

    OT: As I posted recently, Poland has become trendy in the imagination of
    the world’s youth in recent years, partly because of the Polish rap scene, and I
    mentioned Mata, 21, Poland’s leading rapper. I must’ve been prescient
    because today’s New York Times has a long front page article precisely
    about Mata, and the Polish rap scene in general. The article is entitled
    “A Polish rapper goes from scandal to superstar.” Other Polish musicians
    with worldwide following include 1. Jakub Orliński, opera countertenor
    and a breakdancer, often compared to Michelangelo’s David because of
    his unearthly good looks; 2. Marcin (Patrzalek), guitar virtuoso
    (e.g., Led Zeppelin’s Kashmir), 3. sanah, female singer (e.g., “Ale jazz,”
    “Melodia”) who appeared on the music scene out of nowhere at 21, as
    if she fell from the Moon

  81. Edwhy says:

    Certainly Pygmy women should be included. Barack Hussian already proven that accomplishment
    Isn’t a necessity.

  82. @Roger

    How many gays?

    Interestingly enough, there are very few gays in exact sciences.
    The same with visual arts, two Michelangelos & Leonardo being virtually only exceptions.

    On the other hand, they are very represented in imaginative literature, while in classical/concert music not too much, with a few notable exceptions.

    Also, in post-Greek philosophy, very, very few gays, while in engineering I doubt it very much.

    Business & high finances? Not much.

    But when it comes to entertainment ….

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  83. ic1000 says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    > One usefully PC reason for the lack of women and NAMs in tech is that the pay isn’t rewarding enough.

    Yep. Years ago as a postdoctoral fellow at High Prestige University, I was one of the laboratory mentors for a very bright black student, visiting over the summer before his junior year as a STEM major at an HBCU. Even back then, as a genuine ADOS, he was a catch for HPU, the department, and the head of the lab. Further, ‘Wayne’ had “good hands,” a valued and rather rare trait. That is, as a newbie, he followed instructions, listened to advice, and didn’t screw up everything he touched. With these attributes, he was a shoe-in for pretty much any molecular biology PhD program in the country.

    But Wayne was slightly offended when we brought this up.

    “Look at you people, grinding away for low pay on the hope that some permanent, real position lies in your future. Why would I want to settle for that?”

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  84. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    As Woit strains to argue, theoretical physics is at a bottleneck stage without any foreseeable major breakthroughs for decades to come. The main question is the Theory of Everything (ToE), of quantum gravity, that unifies general relativity and quantum mechanics.

    I have long since formed an opinion on these matters which is not something original, nor too smart.

    1. without fundamental experiments, physics will continue to stagnate

    2. relativity and quantum theory are the glorious dead end. Einstein was wrong when he assumed that QM should be somehow interpreted in his old, causal-thinking ways. Also, QM, QFT etc. are not acceptable “as they are” in any interpretation. But not because they are anti-common sense, but because they are just a modern, refined materialism, as is GRT & its descendants. And that’s it- materialism has to go. It is too simplistic.

    3. all ideas of some final theory are laughable. What can one expect when, for instance, 10*(exp 10) energies, compared to those we have access to now, are available? This is, as Kolakowski said of Marxism, a farcical side of human bondage.

    4. Einstein’s approach is fundamentally flawed, although he’s not “guilty”, he just worked on what he had at his disposal. His geometrization of physics & singling out gravity is a dead end. A more fundamental approach should dismiss such all-too-human concepts like space (in ordinary, geometrical way). I have a hunch that quantum paradoxes are a glimmer of things to come- but it is questionable whether anything radically more can be attained, if it depends on human reasoning that is bound by human logic, which is basically Aristotelian (quantum logic is not fundamentally different).

    So I guess GRT & QM should be, if something truly new emerges, like rough approximations to some “higher” theory, which too will, if achieved at all, be superseded by another one etc.

    If this stuff is attainable for homo sapiens at al …

  85. Anon7 says:

    “Any gains for increased diversity were wiped out this week…”

    In case you were wondering how the progressive Left thinks, this should tell you. It’s a territorial war, and Leftists hate paying for the same real estate twice.

    Once a seat/prize/post/job is given to a diverse candidate, it is the property of the progressive Left. As with any territorial war, the goal is to take all the territory.

    Just one of the many reasons I hate being lectured to about “Science” by progressive Leftists. Could they be any more clueless about Western Civilization?

  86. Do POCs and women not realize that these entities are desperate to give their awards to POCs and women? That all else being equal (or even close to equal), they will get the award?

    They keep talking about how many carts they don’t have, when the problem is a lack of horses.

  87. anonymous[303] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pop Warner

    If the whole range of new ideas and discoveries exist, how are we, as a society, missing out?

    Oprah might want to honor those discoveries with the “Winfrey” prize (or JayZ & Beyonce’).

  88. Thea says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    I went into STEM to find a good husband. It worked. I highly recommend it to other women so inclined

  89. @Jack D

    The physicist who wrote the article, Jonathan Katz, wrote it in 2001. Even then a career in science sucked. Even then the supply far exceeded the demand.

    Getting a gig as a math prof is fine – his point is that unless you graduate at the top of your class from some storied institution, you will not get a job as a math prof. You’ll bang around forever and eventually wash out.

    The irony is that there are more female scientists coming from unWoke countries than there are from the US.

    Naturally, because the women in those countries actually have brains, whereas American women in STEM are entitled, coddled snowflakes.

  90. @ic1000

    Wayne was smart enough to know his worth. Good for Wayne.

    http://katz.fastmail.us/scientist.html

    DON’T BECOME A SCIENTIST

    What are “good hands” in your context?

    • Replies: @Anon 2
    , @ic1000
  91. @Reg Cæsar

    ‘kangs’

    Probably not. Most American blacks are descended from small farmers (yes, in Africa) who were enslaved by the ‘kangs.’

    There was a huge slave trade that predated the transatlantic slave trade. This is only just being researched now.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  92. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    But in order to get a job in theoretical physics, you almost have to specialize in string theory

    That’s to get a job in high energy theoretical physics, which to extend what you note is now at least in the US a job for mathematics, physical intuition (what Einstein excelled at) is probably worse than useless. But as you note with the spin glass guy Parisi, there’s “room at the bottom” to repurpose Feynman’s lecture title in areas like condensed matter theoretical physics.

    Interesting stuff that happens with solids and liquids. And that also tends to be more practical, or a least we aren’t getting any antigravity drives out of the string theorists any time so. Never as long as they stay so far away from fallibility, which was recognized as a big issue in the mid-late 1980s when I peeked at string theory.

  93. I was asking myself what left-wing rag this piece was from, and I scrolled back up and was disappointed to see that it was from Nature. Wow.

  94. joe862 says:

    There needs to be more consistent pointing out that women should just start their own prize dispensing organization. Give prizes to whoever they think deserves them. Why is it always about getting male organizations to change? We’re all equal, women are as interested in science as men are and I’m sure we can all agree that a female founded and lead organization would be every bit as respected as whatever exists now.

  95. @Jack D

    Serious question. What do you think is happening with Taiwan?

    Anyone else, please join in. I’ve no idea what to think.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  96. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Alexander is very bright, has legit chops, and Woit has been talking about new ideas in physics for years, long before Woke. (LBW).

    I don’t have problems trying to popularize physics, although I don’t think it does much good. Physicists have been coming out with “the physics of baseball” or “the physics of whatever” since LBW. Some gal even wrote a bullshit physics book about physics and Buffy the Vampire Slayer, which is to physics as Lincoln: Vampire Hunter is to history. Something tells me that serious study of Lincoln survived that movie.

    The thing about Alexander which is harmful isn’t that he’s trying to open up physics, or write a “physics of whatever” book.

    And we all know that you can open up physics all you want, but most people can’t do it. I sure can’t. Its quality is teflon-coated.

    My problem with Alexander is that he’s offloading his racial resentments onto the world. Amiwrong?

    When I see a black face, unless it’s Sowell, Loury, McWhorter, or Jason Whitlock, I turn away or off. Am I alone? Anybody else here doing that?

    The problem is that the more I switch channels, the more black faces I see. Pretty soon I’ll be out of channels. Then what?

    (Example: is this a face even a mother might hate? https://www.thedailybeast.com/steve-mcqueen-is-not-here-for-happy-clappy-disney-movies?via=rss&source=articles_fancylink)

  97. Researchers voice dismay at all-male science Nobels

    “Researchers pissed at scientific advancement, want more feels.”

    Assholes.

  98. The complete Joni Mitchell Shadows and Light concert is available on youtube:

    Her backup band includes Matheny, Pastorius, and Mays. The drummer and saxophone player are of similar fame in the jazz world though I don’t follow jazz much and am taking others’ word for this. Joni Mitchell is like John Lennon or Elton John–if there was a popular music Nobel Prize she would have one.

    If you have seen any of her interviews the impression you might get is that this is not at all a happy woman. The most brilliant woman in my own field I ever knew quit at age 29 to have children and be a stay-home mom. The last time I saw her she told me she was very happy doing this. Perhaps you believe society can be be engineered so that women can have it all?

    Maybe. I would not bet on it any time soon.

  99. MrLiberty says:

    The guy who invented Ivermectin got a Nobel Prize and now he can’t even post a comment on Twitter without being banned. Who cares what the Nobel committee thinks? If the past 18 months has proven anything, its that science is a complete load of crap when it must pass through the hands of paid off douchebags who control the direction it is allowed to go. It has ALWAYS been that way. There are discoveries that are noteworthy. We should all be far more concerned that the world can actually KNOW about them, not whether the discoverer gets a prize for the discovery. How many discoveries have been kept from the world because they would upset the profits and business models of folks in the energy cartel? The same with medicine (most especially medicine)? Let’s do the 21st century-appropriate thing and just SAY that 50% of the recipients “identify” as lesbian and trans women of color and be done with it…..and restore freedom for Ivermectin and the medical and scientific communities!!!

  100. Anonymous[226] • Disclaimer says:

    I know this is not a Nobel, but at least there is a non-white Fields Medal winner, Brazil’s Artur Ávila. Besides his Fields Medal he also works on his theories of tensor fields as applied to physics, and can read and write in 8 different languages. He is generally considered one of the most intelligent human beings on the planet out of the several billions.

    Here he is giving a lecture on one-frequency Shrodinger operators. His work has made significant contributions to theoretical physics as well:

    • Thanks: El Dato
    • Replies: @Jack D
  101. J.Ross says:
    @Alice in Wonderland

    no no no we have to shut everything down dont you bleve if you clap enough you can save tinkerbell why arent you clapping

  102. ElO says:

    missing out on a whole range of new ideas and discoveries that depend on a diversity of ideas and backgrounds

    why would discoveries depend on different backgrounds?

    also, what are these “new ideas” and fresh viewpoints that diversity is supposed to bring? I haven’t noticed any apart from woke nonsense.

  103. Goatweed says:

    Has everyone of those dead COVID teenagers been autopsied?

  104. Jack D says:
    @Paperback Writer

    Just yesterday, Xi promised “peaceful reunification” which, I fear, is similar to a “peaceful protest” in America.

    That being said, I can safely predict that the status quo will remain in place until it doesn’t.

    When that day will be, I can’t say. Could be tomorrow (unlikely) or decades from now. China can afford to play the long game (but Xi is 68 and can’t – maybe he has 10 or 20 years left and he wants to be remembered as the Emperor who reunified China).

    For a while, China coddled Hong Kong and kept up most of “one country, two system” in order to lure Taiwan into the same arrangement, but they’ve completely tossed all pretense of democracy in HK so clearly they given up hope of any voluntary reunification. Which only leaves other than voluntary.

    Xi will wait until America is further weakened and perhaps distracted by something else – an election, a war in the Middle East, the collapse of the internet and then he will move fast and with overwhelming force.

  105. What about the Ignobel prizes? Any women?

  106. El Dato says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    I can’t wait for India to invent AI-driven islamophobic nuclear elephants who also have traditional views about a woman’s place in the world.

  107. El Dato says:
    @Jack D

    Related, one of the most enlightening flow charts ever

    Or else, get the hell out of academia and find a job in an industry where the Party has not yet fully infiltrated.

    I can tell you that female-dominated HR (possibly subconsciously trying to build colored harem, not sure) + disinterested bosses make for very interesting “industry” workplaces.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anonymous
  108. ic1000 says:
    @nokangaroos

    > (601 – 2*23) * 50% = 277.5 , you female chauvinist sow.

    (601 – 23) * 50% = 279
    See for yourself 😉

  109. anonymous[386] • Disclaimer says:
    @James N. Kennett

    Dude, Jewish Nobel winners, like Feynman for example, HATED that so many other Jews won Nobels.

    Back when Jews had no say whatsoever on who won Nobels Jews were awarded more of them.

    Orthodox Jews and Jews in a select few professions prefer to award Jews over others but the vast majority of Jews can’t stand seeing other Jews join them at the dais. It’s why so so so many Jews from the 20s theough the 90s changed their names any time they were in a profession where they would be judged and awarded ny other Jews. Entertainment obviously being the main one, be it musical (Bob Dylan, Gene Simmons, etc) or audio visual (do I even have to name names here?).

    Once they’re made it they’ll revert to every Jewish comic mannerism in existence (see Jon Stewart) while also fronting people of every sort provided that they are NOT Jewish (also Jon Stewart).

    Of course the guys hired to write material or count the money for the non-front man are often Jewish but breaking out of that takes forever (see Robert Smigel and Louis CK and others even lesser know who basically created Conan out of a giant red brillow pad).

  110. Anon 2 says:
    @Paperback Writer

    Probably the best essay on the relative scarcity of women in
    scientific fields in the U.S. is “Women in Science” (2006; updated
    in 2015) by Philip Greenspun who also has an interesting blog.

    Short answer: Adjusted for IQ, quantitative skills, and working hours,
    jobs in science today (as compared to the glory days of the 1950s-‘60s)
    are the lowest paid in the United States.

    Shorter answer: Why does anyone think science is a good job? They
    found better jobs

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  111. Mr Mox says:

    All seven winners of this year’s science prizes were men. Some say this shows a disappointing lack of progress towards diversifying the awards.

    It shows something, alright, but nothing we’re allowed to say out loud.

    And now for something completely different:

    18 will receive Carnegie Medal for acts of extraordinary heroism; seven posthumously
    https://www.carnegiehero.org/heroes/latest-award-announcements/

    Due to a statistical fluke, only one woman figure on this year’s list – although some of the other recipients may refer to themselves with one of these 58 gender options:
    (I dare you to press that button)

    [MORE]

    Agender
    Androgyne
    Androgynous
    Bigender
    Cis
    Cisgender
    Cis Female
    Cis Male
    Cis Man
    Cis Woman
    Cisgender Female
    Cisgender Male
    Cisgender Man
    Cisgender Woman
    Female to Male
    FTM
    Gender Fluid
    Gender Nonconforming
    Gender Questioning
    Gender Variant
    Genderqueer
    Intersex
    Male to Female
    MTF
    Neither
    Neutrois
    Non-binary
    Other
    Pangender
    Trans
    Trans*
    Trans Female
    Trans* Female
    Trans Male
    Trans* Male
    Trans Man
    Trans* Man
    Trans Person
    Trans* Person
    Trans Woman
    Trans* Woman
    Transfeminine
    Transgender
    Transgender Female
    Transgender Male
    Transgender Man
    Transgender Person
    Transgender Woman
    Transmasculine
    Transsexual
    Transsexual Female
    Transsexual Male
    Transsexual Man
    Transsexual Person
    Transsexual Woman
    Two-Spirit

  112. The best thing is: most women don’t give a hoot about the Nobel, even those working in exact sciences.

    These activists just don’t know the female mind ….

  113. Ohio State U marching band tribute to Rush:

    1. YOU may think this is off-topic but the youtube recommendation algo disagrees.
    2. White dudes!

    3. I listened all the way to the end and they did not perform a double on trend troll of the universe by performing Barack the Magic Negro. No lyrics in this media are a constriction but they could have had the PA announcer sing it.

  114. Just invent a damn flying car already and you’ll get your stupid Nobel

  115. @notsaying

    To me a complaint that the demographics of the winners are wrong must be translated into one of three substantive criticisms:

    1) The wrong discoveries are being selected

    2) The right discoveries are being selected but women and minorities who were more responsible for them were overlooked.

    3) The demographics of the discoverers are more important than the original criterion of awarding those who “ have conferred the greatest benefit to humankind.”

  116. Yngvar says:
    @ic1000

    In that case: Sanderson, Coe, Moehring, Johnson, Meho, and their many scientist and Twitter-mob allies can make a list.

    Critical Theory praxis is to relentlessly criticise the established order and then never ever offer an alternative or different solution.

    It’s part of the thesis – antithesis – synthesis complex. They see themselves as the antithesis and by constantly confronting thesis (read: reality) something wonderful will arise when thesis collapses. What exactly they don’t know, but Marx promised it will be heaven on earth.
    Marxists are lunatics.

  117. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous

    I would guess that he has at least 80% European DNA so if he is not white he is at least white adjacent.

  118. Anon[258] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Wow, you’re stupid. China flinched and won’t invade shit because they’re skeered and know they can’t win. Nothing’s going to collapse in the USA, meanwhile China’s financial sector is collapsing, they can’t keep their power grid online and their dams are collapsing under flood waters. China’s finished.

  119. Anon[184] • Disclaimer says:
    @El Dato

    (possibly subconsciously trying to build colored harem, not sure

    You’re sure alright, because you know that women don’t like POC males and would never try to build a “harem” of them.

    What’s really happening here is that you are subconscuously coping as an undesirable POC male.

  120. J.Ross says:
    @Jack D

    One wishes the Taiwanese and Hong Kongers had spent less time admiring back-stabbing America and more time admiring the Czechs.

  121. @Jack D

    Xi will wait until America is further weakened and perhaps distracted by something else – an election, a war in the Middle East, the collapse of the internet and then he will move fast and with overwhelming force

    .
    Sounds right to me. Next question: What’s it to us?

    Apart from looking impotent, which isn’t good, does it matter?

    I’ve read that Taiwan is the main producer of semiconductor chips. It’s stupid to depend on a source that will be controlled by your main ideological enemy for something so vital, but history shows that capitalism responds.

    Trade routes? What’s so important about Taiwan? If Taiwan goes, is Hawaii next?

    I’m really interested to hear what people here think. Maybe Steve can chime in. Because all the stuff I read has an agenda.

  122. @Anon 2

    That works for black men. A bright ADOS would be better served moving into a more lucrative field. But as others here have pointed out, a science job for a woman has perks: a flexible schedule, and a good dating pool.

  123. Anonymous[274] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Interestingly enough, there are very few gays in exact sciences.

    There are some good mathematicians:

    G.H. Hardy
    Famous Vitorian mathematician.

    Alan Turing
    Turing is a good example of why was so dangerous to live a open gay life.

    John Nash
    The famous American mathematician destroyed his career after being caught on cruising in public bathrooms.

    Andrei Kolmogorov
    The Russian is regarded as one of the three most important mathematicians of the last century. He lived a long relationship with the mathematician Pavel Alexandrov.

    The same with visual arts, two Michelangelos & Leonardo being virtually only exceptions.

    During the Renaissance there were other gays like Cellini and Botticelli. The last really great Italian artist was Caravaggio, a macho homosexual who loved to paint decaptations and effeminate catamites.
    In the last century, two of the the three most important painters of Britain were gay: Francis Bacon and David Hockney.
    There are also a lot of gayness in the artistic world of USA. For example Sargent, Warhol, Jasper Johns, Rauchenberg or Haring.
    However, I never heard about any famous gay French painter.

    Also, in post-Greek philosophy, very, very few gays

    Anselm, Erasmus, Montaigne, Francisa Bacon, Wittgenstein or Foucault.

    Business & high finances? Not much.

    There is John Maynard Keynes, the “father of macroeconomics”

  124. @Paperback Writer

    I’ve read that Taiwan is the main producer of semiconductor chips. It’s stupid to depend on a source that will be controlled by your main ideological enemy for something so vital, but history shows that capitalism responds.

    There are many kinds of semiconductor chips, where Taiwan stands out is TSMC being the very best in the world at doing “logic” ones, like CPUs vs. memory, in the foundry model where others design the stuff and they fabricate it. So they get right everything from the hard manufacturing to creating the best, most trustworthy ecosystem in the world, since going with them over Samsung is often a bet your company choice.

    That said, the leaders of the island have screwed up their electrical supply system growth and from what I’ve heard that more than anything else is prompting TSMC to set up shop with their cutting and bleeding edge stuff in the US (the venture in Japan is different sorts of stuff).

    But many other places make CPUs that are less dense and still very worthwhile. Including perforce Intel, which is now in its second generation of screwing up going to smaller nodes. This sort of thing really matters for mobile applications, but desktops and servers not so much although power consumption also matters for big server farms.

    Meanwhile Samsung is kinda competitive in logic but not trustworthy, and also competes with a lot of their customers or would be ones. Is also along with Korean SK-Hynix and US Micron are the three big state of the art DRAM manufacturers. Flash is spread out a lot, including Samsung; not even sure if Taiwan competes in it.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  125. Just wait until an M2F tranny wins a prize. (If it hasn’t happened already.) Team TERF will be all over it. Other heads will crevice.

    BTW, does this look like a woman to you?

    Police: Woman Throws Hot Water In Man’s Face, Stabs Him On Brooklyn Sidewalk

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  126. @That Would Be Telling

    From what you’re saying even the semiconductor aspect in a China invades Taiwan scenario isn’t that big of a deal.

    So, again, why should we care, apart from appearances?

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  127. @Reg Cæsar

    But I thought TERFs hated beauty pageants.

  128. @Anonymous

    Interestingly enough, there are very few gays in exact sciences.

    There are some good mathematicians:

    […]

    Alan Turing
    Turing is a good example of why was so dangerous to live a open gay life.

    Yet another lie by our betters. I mean, the U.K.?? Turing’s crime was a real crime, bearing false witness against an ex-lover. To this day I get the impression no other country, or Anglosphere country where we hear about crime, really cares a lot about filing false reports and trying to get an innocent arrested and prosecuted.

    It’s like one of the other infamous cases of this type, Oscar Wilde prosecuting a case of criminal libel against the Marquess of Queensberry who was arrested, after the Marquess, incensed by Wilde’s affair with his son, as rendered by Wikipedia:

    On 18 February 1895, the Marquess left his calling card at Wilde’s club, the Albemarle, inscribed: “For Oscar Wilde, posing somdomite” [sic]. Wilde, encouraged by [the son] Douglas and against the advice of his friends, initiated a private prosecution against Queensberry for libel, since the note amounted to a public accusation that Wilde had committed the crime of sodomy.

    The defense allowed under the libel laws of the time “required demonstrating that his accusation was in fact true, and furthermore that there was some ‘public benefit’ to having made the accusation openly.” And that of course opened a huge can of worms, Wilde lost, was bankrupted by the costs of the defense, and got criminally prosecuted in turn, and after a hung jury lost the second trial, and his health in the ensuing imprisonment.

    You can make a good case this sort of thing is the “open gay life,” including Wilde’s paid and perhaps unpaid sex with youths under 18 years of age, still a crime today, but I don’t think that’s what you mean.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  129. @Paperback Writer

    From what you’re saying even the semiconductor aspect in a China invades Taiwan scenario isn’t that big of a deal.

    That’s just you sticking to your idée fixe to try to justify our taking no action to defend Taiwan; it would be a very big deal, they make lots of important things, including less state of the art chips, both TSMC and other companies.

    Refusing to defend your allies also has consequences, this would be a particularly major and consequential betrayal. For example, do you want Japan, Korea etc. to get nukes? A regional nuclear war if the PRC decides to press on?

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  130. @Paperback Writer

    No, when I say such things I mean them sincerely.

  131. @That Would Be Telling

    there’s “room at the bottom” to repurpose Feynman’s lecture title in areas like condensed matter theoretical physics.

    Right, applied, experimental fields like condensed matter, quantum chemistry, and observation of gravitational waves (in 2015) are the “lower hanging fruits”. But so far as extending general relativity, and standard model of particle physics, we are perhaps eons away.

    This is the 1927 5th Solvay Conference held in Brussels. Perhaps the greatest gathering of scientific minds in modern history (if not all time), 17 of 29 Nobelists, 1 woman, maybe one third Jewish, all white of course.

    View post on imgur.com


    The main debate over physical intuition there, was the Bohr-Einstein debate over interpretation of QM. Bohr’s Copenhagen interpretation, that QM is fundamentally probabilistic, versus Einstein’s “God does not play dice”.

    But the math involved in the discussion then was far lower. Application of linear algebra was still novel: Heisenberg wrote “Now the learned Göttingen mathematicians talk so much about Hermitian matrices, but I do not even know what a matrix is”.

    Group theory even more so, Pauli referred to it as Gruppenpest group plague.

    But now these maths are basic requirements for fresh PhDs, and with much more beyond, so the hurdle to build up physical intuition is much higher.

  132. @That Would Be Telling

    That’s just you sticking to your idée fixe to try to justify our taking no action to defend Taiwan; it would be a very big deal, they make lots of important things, including less state of the art chips, both TSMC and other companies.

    Dammit, I’m asking a question. I have a totally open mind about this. I don’t have any idee fixe. I just want to know why we should go to war, with China, which is not exactly the Taliban, which, in case you may have noticed, handed us our heads in Afghanistan.

    Refusing to defend your allies also has consequences, this would be a particularly major and consequential betrayal. For example, do you want Japan, Korea etc. to get nukes? A regional nuclear war if the PRC decides to press on?

    ROC isn’t an ally. We don’t even have formal relations with them.

    https://www.ait.org.tw/our-relationship/policy-history/us-taiwan-relations

    The United States and Taiwan enjoy a robust unofficial relationship and close cooperation on a wide range of issues. Maintaining strong, unofficial relations with Taiwan is a major U.S. goal, in line with the U.S. desire to further peace and stability in Asia. The 1979 Taiwan Relations Act provides the legal basis for the unofficial relationship between the United States and Taiwan, and enshrines the U.S. commitment to assist Taiwan in maintaining its self-defense capability.

    Your point about S. Korea and Japan is well-taken.

    (Side note: what is it about the people here? They used to be gentlemanly arguers, now they’re like guys in a crappy bar, fighting with their dukes at the slightest perceived provocation.)

    • Replies: @ic1000
  133. @Paperback Writer

    Most American blacks are descended from small farmers (yes, in Africa) who were enslaved by the ‘kangs.’

    Enslaved and knocked up by them. Everyone knows the “farmers” in Africa are women.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  134. Jack D says:
    @Paperback Writer

    The short answer is, if you want peace, prepare for war. This advice from the time of the Romans remains true today. The best way to insure that no Americans will actually have to die for Taiwan is to convince the Chinese that we are prepared to die for Taiwan. The best way to insure a Chinese invasion is to signal that Taiwan is really of no concern to us. And if you think the Chinese are insufferable now, just wait until you see how they are going to act after a successful invasion of Taiwan.

    In other words, we are in a poker game and you are supposed to lie about your intentions. Americans always believe that “honesty is the best policy” but in war (and the preparation for war) it is the furthest thing from the truth. Even if what you say is true (that Taiwan is not really vital to American interests) that is not something that the US should ever publicly admit.

  135. Jack D says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    Turing’s crime was a real crime, bearing false witness against an ex-lover.

    What? What did Turing say that was false about his lover?

    Turing picked up Arnold Murray, a 19-year-old working class youth (aka “rough trade”) on the streets of Manchester and brought him home for a bit of buggery. Soon after Turing’s house was burgled. Murray told Turing that he and the burglar were acquainted (meaning probably that Murray had told his friend that Turing had some nice stuff that was worth stealing and suggested the crime to him. Or maybe Murray just bragged to an unreliable acquaintance when he was drunk.). Turing naively reported the crime to the police, not thinking that the police would ask questions about how he, a 39 year old upper class academic, had come to have a working class teenager in his home. During the investigation, he acknowledged a sexual relationship with Murray and suddenly he was the criminal and his life went to hell.

    Turing’s crime was that he was an autist and naïve in thinking that he should go to the police when he himself had been involved in what was then a crime (a more serious crime than stealing silverware). And then not lying when asked whether he had a sexual relationship with Murray. Any experienced criminal will avoid any involvement with the police at all costs and then lie like crazy if cornered.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
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  136. res says:
    @SafeNow

    The Preview Comment button can also be useful. Though it isn’t always exactly the same as the final version.

  137. res says:

    Between 2016 and 2020, he says, 19% of 138 other science prizes were won by women, compared to only 12% of Nobels.

    It’s almost as if the Nobel hard science awards have to kneel to the reigning pieties less than all the 138 other science prizes you’ve never heard of.

    Alternative possible explanation. The Nobel hard science awards are more competitive and distributional differences in ability (and interest!) show up more the further out in the tail you go.

    I suspect there is truth in both explanations. I wonder which has the larger effect.

    P.S. This 2018 paper might be of interest.
    Scientific prize network predicts who pushes the boundaries of science
    https://www.pnas.org/content/115/50/12608

  138. Moses says:
    @notsaying

    Stop using the word “minority”. Stop. It’s obsolete and outdated.

    Whites are now a “minority” in California, NYC and most major American cities.

    Using “minority” instead of “non-White” is also dangerous. It implies that non-Whites are a tiny and marginalized number. Not the case in America today.

    Use “non-White” in every instance you used to use “minority.” You’ll find it clearer, reflects reality more accurately.

    I have voted for minorities and women but I don’t care who I vote for as far as categories are concerned.

    Changes to

    I have voted for non-Whites and women but I don’t care who I vote for as far as categories are concerned.

    See the difference?

    Words matter.

    • Thanks: res
  139. @Paperback Writer

    I don’t have problems trying to popularize physics, although I don’t think it does much good.

    You need to do this to inspire the younger generation, right? Would you rather have young negros be distracted by this stuff or gangster rap. Yes, it builds to a lot of midwit fluff, but that brings to question of the larger issue merits of universal literacy.

    My problem with Alexander is that he’s offloading his racial resentments onto the world. Amiwrong?

    He is, but there’s a market for this stuff from the left. For example, this is what Woit wrote about Steve Hsu:

    Until a year or so ago I used to follow Hsu’s blog, finally stopped after getting sick of reading his defences of Trump and Steve Bannon. Besides the interest in race determining intelligence (see for instance here), Hsu has what seems to me a disturbing interest in the politics of racial resentment, from the white/East Asian side, which shows up in his fondness for Trump/Bannon. This also shows up in his involvement in a campaign to get Harvard to stop its current affirmative action policies and admit more students of East Asian descent.

    No, I’m not going to allow any arguments over this topic in the comments section. Such arguments immediately descend to an extreme level of stupidity, whatever the IQ of those involved.

    https://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=9900
    That last sentence, he gave no logical or quantitative arguments to Hsu’s research*, and simply sought to shut down all debate out of emotional response (like a woman).

    So he’s not going to find jokes about East Asians being long lost Aryans the least bit funny. And will go out of his** way to promote those like Alexander.

    *Hsu got semi-canceled a year ago, lost his admin position but still kept tenure faculty at MSU
    **Woit, for his heterodox research areas, does not and never did have a tenured position, hence his position as “outsider”

    But the existence of someone like Alexander is a useful stick to prod HBDists. Because he has legit 3 sigma plus IQ, and flair that may actually be concretely useful.

    It also highlights a corollary problem with HBD theory, it’s also repeated here ad nauseam that orientals, for lack of curiosity or whatever produce fewer true geniuses.

    Is this true? I don’t know, for one thing, there’s never been a NE Asian columnist here at Unz.

    In statistics, there’s the concept of kurtosis, or light vs. heavy tail distribution. A heavy tail (leptokurtic) distribution, compared to normal, has more outliers.

    It may be that white IQ distribution is more heavy tailed than orientals, i.e. lower in average, but more outliers. To a lesser extent this may also apply to negros.

    View post on imgur.com


    This is was my original point, without more sophisticated methodology, the left can always point to people like Alexander to discredit HBD in general.

  140. @Jack D

    OK, you convinced me. No – really. (On the internet it’s hard to tell.)

    You’re right.

    • Thanks: That Would Be Telling
  141. @Anonymous

    First- interesting about Nash, I didn’t know. But this proves my point: basically 3-4 names. Out of so many.

    I’ve read Cellini’s autobiography, a literary masterpiece. I forgot it- but yes, he was a strongly sexualized person, definitely a bi. American and British painting I don’t know of too much, but the big league- Constable, Turner etc., all straight.

    Modern visual arts are at the hands of homo-mafia, so that’s atypical.

    Only Wittgenstein. Erasmus could be asexual, also Francis Bacon- though, I’m now not too sure, while Montaigne was definitely not gay. He loved the other man, but that had nothing physical in it.

    Too many mistakes are made when people try to ascribe to a deep male friendship (Goethe and Schiller, Marx and Engels, Wyatt Earp and Doc Holliday,..) something sexual or erotic in nature. That’s love between men, but not a physical love- which they would find repellent.

    Keynes- gayness on steroids.

  142. 2BR says:
    @Jack D

    The best way to insure that no Americans will actually have to die for Taiwan is to convince the Chinese that we are prepared to die for Taiwan.

    No. The best way to insure that no Americans will actually have to die for Taiwan is to convince the Chinese that many Taiwanese are prepared to die for Taiwan and to kill many Chinese on the way.

    Taiwan could start by spending 5% of their GDP on defense. If Taiwan is not serious about defending themselves, why should we be?

  143. @Jack D

    What? What did Turing say that was false about his lover?

    The version you relate is also the brief Official Wikipedia one, but is not the full version as I’ve read elsewhere, which included Turing fabricating evidence in a second part of his interactions with the police.

  144. @Jack D

    The short answer is, if you want peace, prepare for war. This advice from the time of the Romans remains true today. The best way to insure that no Americans will actually have to die for Taiwan is to convince the Chinese that we are prepared to die for Taiwan. The best way to insure a Chinese invasion is to signal that Taiwan is really of no concern to us. And if you think the Chinese are insufferable now, just wait until you see how they are going to act after a successful invasion of Taiwan.

    I think the thing that escapes most observers is that the image of China as this peace-loving country concerned only about recovering its ancient prerogatives is total bunk, unless they understand that this includes the right to rule “all under heaven”.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tianxia

    Who are you gonna believe – Chinese professions of pacific intentions, or this progression of Chinese territorial boundaries?

    https://www.timemaps.com/history/china-2500bc/

    By a remarkable coincidence, significant expansions of Chinese territory overlapped with periods of wealth and military power.

  145. ic1000 says:
    @Paperback Writer

    > What are “good hands” in your context?

    “Good hands” in a molecular biology wet lab is equivalent to “green thumb” in the garden. It means that you can get things to work.

    I have been out of the lab for >15 years, while the specifics are different, I doubt that the overall idea has changed.

    Note that cutting edge experiments are complicated and use many finicky reagents. Depending on how you define an experiment’s “success,” maybe 5% to 10% of them work. With “good hands,” so without them, maybe 0% to 2%.

    There is a great deal of failure in science, thus a great deal of frustration and disappointment at the bench.

    Good hands means things like:
    * You can read a procedure (like a cooking recipe) and figure out the specific detailed steps.
    * You’re good at arithmetic, so you don’t unwittingly add the wrong volume to a reaction.
    * You have a sense of when to be very careful and slow, such as when “add 25 microliters” means “add 25.0 +/- 0.5 microliters”, and when you can go fast, ‘cuz it means “add between 20 and 30 microliters.”
    * You can learn from your mistakes, so an experiment that failed can work the second (3rd, 4th) time around.

    Hope this helps.

  146. Ways a civilization can fail:

    • Be invaded by Mongol hordes
    • Get buried by volcanic eruption
    • Enforce lifelong chastity
    • Deplete fertility of the soil
    • Succumb to bubonic plagues
    • Believe that disparate impact is decisively caused by malice

  147. ic1000 says:
    @Paperback Writer

    Re: Taiwan

    > What is it about the people here? They used to be gentlemanly arguers, now they’re like guys in a crappy bar, fighting with their dukes at the slightest perceived provocation.

    It’s a phenomenon that has been widely remarked upon, and for a long time. It gets worse as a blog (website, whatever) gets more traffic. There doesn’t seem to be a reasonable one-size-fits-all solution. One approach is aggressive curation, which host Ron Unz enables here. But that has its own downsides. Besides restraining speech (see comments in older posts for complaints on this point), it becomes a huge time/energy sink for the proprietor.

    As far as tradeoffs, I’d rather enjoy more of Sailer’s primary output, and put up with the crappy-bar phenomenon. At least to an extent.

    As far as Taiwan… which was not the topic of the original post… I’ve never been there and have no claim to wisdom, except having read more Asian history than most Westerners (that’s a low bar).

    There are some common-sense arguments for why “losing Taiwan” to the PRC would be more consequential than military defeat in Afghanistan has/will be — see upthread.

    For a hard-headed and informed set of opinions on this topic, I’d suggest reading some of Tanner Greer’s essays and position papers, over at his blog “The Scholar’s Stage.” Greer is not Establishment, but he must enjoy a certain level of credibility, given where he has been published. Here’s a link to a local search over there for “Taiwan,” 97 entries at this writing.

    Greer is smart, thoughtful, widely-read, realistic, and seemingly disliked by the CCP. He may or may not be right in his policy prescriptions, but I’m confident that he’s identified the most important issues (political, cultural, military, technological) pertaining to your question.

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  148. @ic1000

    As far as tradeoffs, I’d rather enjoy more of Sailer’s primary output, and put up with the crappy-bar phenomenon. At least to an extent.

    Me, too. If it discourages me from asking questions, well, that’s my problem to deal with. I’d rather have a bar than a country club.

    Anyway, thanks for the Tanner Greer suggestion.

    I have a feeling we’ll be talking about Taiwan a lot in the upcoming years, in between tearing ourselves apart about black women’s hair texture and football commentators discussing decades old emails about lip size.

    Priorities.

  149. @Jack D

    I’m hoping we can a civil dialogue about this as I’m very well informed on the Taiwan issue. And in past comments, I’ve defended Japan’s side on the Sino-Japanese relations, for the sake of objectivity.

    The main legal claim of PRC on Taiwan is the Potsdam Declaration (1945), when the Japanese were directed to surrender Taiwan to Chiang Kai-shek’s troops. The claim is on the terms of territorial integrity of WW2 results.

    For example, Ryukyu was a once an independent Kingdom and a tributary to China. There’s a separatist movement there too. But PRC has not “gone there” because that would destroy Sino-Japanese relations and violate WW2 territorial results.

    The flimsy part comes that Taiwan was granted to ROC, not PRC, which did not even exist in 1945. But in all his years after retreating to Taiwan, Chiang resisted Japanese goading to declare independence, and maintained the consensus of “one China, different interpretations“. The current Tsai Ing-wen’s DPP government is reneging on this consensus, which is what is infuriating to the PRC populace.

    This is a high-level summary, feel free to ask for any clarification.

    [MORE]

    Since Steve brought up Stalin in other thread, I’ll provide some more historical color. The Taiwan Question is the last vestige of the Chinese Civil War which began in 1927.

    In 1927, Stalin had backed Chiang’s KMT in the Northern Expedition to unify China from the warlords. Stalin also instructed CCP to cooperate with the KMT, the members of the former would join the latter as individuals.

    Trotsky would be against this, because he wanted CCP to complete an orthodox proletarian revolution. But Stalin believed that the KMT should be used “as a lemon to be squeezed dry”.

    Chiang of course, plays his own game, as he goes on to win victories on the battlefield, he would betray his CCP allies in a Michael Corleone-style purge in the so-called Shanghai Massacre (1927).

    Hence Chiang would have a falling out with Stalin that resulted Sino-Soviet conflict (1929). Stalin, despite being betrayed by Chiang, would win over Trotsky anyways.

  150. @Reg Cæsar

    Well, I found you one of the knocker-uppers. Or rather, knocker-downers.

    https://nypost.com/2021/10/09/woman-knocked-down-by-times-square-mugger-clinging-to-life/

    The victim said she grabbed the crazed intruder’s phone as evidence, but that only riled him up.

    “He started screaming ‘I’m an African prince! I’m an African prince!’ ” she said.

  151. When I see a black face, unless it’s Sowell, Loury, McWhorter, or Jason Whitlock, I turn away or off. Am I alone? Anybody else here doing that?

    Not I for sure. One of my favourite people is Walter Williams, sadly passed away earlier this year. You might enjoy him, still to be found on YT.

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=walter+williams

  152. Anonymous[306] • Disclaimer says:
    @El Dato

    The Nazis believed in autarky. All rubber had to be imported into Germany and so they made the purchase of rubber tires deliberately difficult. This to encourage German industry to produce domestic alternatives.

    It worked too. German road vehicles in WWII all ran on synthetic rubber tires. No imports necessary.

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  153. @Anonymous

    “German road vehicles in WWII all ran on synthetic rubber tires. No imports necessary.”

    Did they win?

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  154. @Steve Sailer

    “German road vehicles in WWII all ran on synthetic rubber tires. No imports necessary.”

    Did they win?

    Heh. Of course not, but I’m pretty sure not because of that, in this domain I’ve read their greatest problem after not having enough was no doubt the realted not having what it took to field a limited number of designs to make logistics sane. And I seem to recall something about a Royal British Navy blockade of the country, which likely would have been turned up to 11 from the other end after Pearl Harbor.

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