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From the Daily Mail:
BAME is supposed to mean “black, Asian and minority ethnic.”
Letter from NHS England bosses asks hospitals to ‘risk-assess BAME staff’
63 per cent of NHS workers who have died of COVID-19 have been BAME
By LARA KEAY and JACK NEWMAN FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 19:30 EDT, 29 April 2020
Black, Asian and Minority ethnic NHS staff could be taken off the front-line over concerns they are more vulnerable to coronavirus.
New guidance sent from NHS England to hospitals nationwide asks that BAME staff are ‘risk-assessed’ on a ‘precautionary basis’.
Figures have shown 63 per cent of all health and social care workers who have died from coronavirus are from ethnic minority backgrounds, despite only making up 16 per cent of the workforce. …
Or perhaps the virus is more common in urban areas where a higher proportion of BAMEs live than in, say, rural Cornwall? Here’s a new map from the Guardian:
Back to the Daily Mail:
Hospitals received a letter from NHS chief executive Sir Simon Stevens and its chief operating officer Amanda Pritchard, according to the Telegraph.
The letter reads: ‘Emerging UK and international data suggests that people from BAME backgrounds are also being disproportionately affected by Covid-19.
‘Public Health England have been asked by the Department of Health and Social Care to investigate this. In advance of their report and guidance, on a precautionary basis, we commend employers should risk-assess staff at potentially greater risk and make appropriate arrangements accordingly.’
This could mean that BAME doctors, nurses and other hospital staff are given lower risk or remote jobs away from coronavirus wards.
Earlier this week the Somerset Foundation Trust became the first in the country to prioritise BAME staff for access to facemasks.
… The NHS trust is treating all its black, Asian and minority ethnic employees as ‘vulnerable and at risk’ of coronavirus.
The trust has now included all its BAME workers in the vulnerable and at risk group, and is asking managers to have conversations with them and discuss concerns.
In a letter to staff, the trust’s chief executive Peter Lewis said: ‘While we don’t yet have any conclusive research or national guidance, we feel that is the right approach to take. …
The letter said BAME staff and their families will be able to access testing within the first five days of developing any symptoms, and any who require an FFP3 mask – which offers greater protection than a normal surgical mask – will be supported to be fit-tested as soon as possible. …
Yvonne Coghill, director of NHS England’s workforce race equality standard unit, tweeted ‘many should follow the lead of Somerset FT,’ describing the trust as ‘compassionate’ with strong leadership.
The Government has launched an inquiry into the ‘devastating disparity’ which means BAME patients are at disproportionately high risk of becoming critically ill with coronavirus.
Scientists say the disparity may be because they are more likely to suffer from conditions including diabetes and high blood pressure.
Social and demographic factors also play a role, as BAME people are more likely to live in densely populated areas which may make social distancing harder.
The British Medical Association (BMA) also suggested that BAME doctors may feel less able to raise concerns about inadequate personal protective equipment (PPE), as they report higher levels of bullying and harassment in the workplace.
Dr Chaand Nagpaul, BMA chairman, said a survey showed doctors from ethnic minorities were three times more likely to feel pressured to treat patients without adequate PPE.
He said: ‘These figures are staggering. They are worrying and disturbing. In fact these doctors have come from other parts of the world to provide vital care and save other people’s lives in our health service and now they have sadly paid the ultimate sacrifice.’
The first ten doctors in the UK to die from coronavirus were all of BAME background, with many born overseas.
Dr Habib Naqvi, the NHS director for workforce race and equality, said: ‘The fact that a high number of black and minority ethnic staff are dying from this pandemic is a worry for us.’
Professor Chris Whitty, England’s chief medical officer, said: ‘It’s critical that we find out which groups are most at risk so we can help to protect them.’
Next week’s Daily Mail headline:
NHS Tik-Tok Videos Are Not Diverse Enough
Wait … Cornwall’s a bad example because it’s combined with the Isles of Scilly!
Factoid: the Scilly climate is so warm that palm trees grow there.
Maybe they could surround them with a protective layer of pre-teen White girls.
The NHS is absolutely addicted to hiring cheap, but incompetent, nurses and doctors from abroad.
Dr. Chaand Nagpaul, head of the British Medical Association hates “subconcious” racism. And Dr. Habib Naqvi is on the case, as the NHS director for workforce race and equality.
https://i.imgur.com/Fk85KXb.jpg
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/09/18/nhs-subconsciously-racist-says-head-doctors-union/
Completely incoherent. How do home living conditions that preclude social distancing make you more at risk for infection in the workplace and thus in need of better PPE than whites?
Also, what percentage of staff are BAME? You need a denominator for the 63 percent.
And Asian means Indian and Pakistani in limey-speak: Are they saying that African ancestry and Caucasian-subcontinentsl ancestry are similar in risk relative to Caucasian-European ancestry? Unlikely. Indians group closer to Europeans genetically.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/16/inquiry-disproportionate-impact-coronavirus-bame
Both groups are darker skinned than europeans and are thus much more likely to suffer from vitamin D deficiency, especially under british skies. Not a good thing when it comes to respiratory diseases.
I found something which indicates that black and pakistani women are more obese than the population at large:
From : https://hummedia.manchester.ac.uk/institutes/cmist/archive-publications/working-papers/2008/2008-17-ethnic-differences-in-obesity-diet-abd-physical-activity.pdf
(iii) Obesity and Ethnicity
The prevalence of overweight and obesity varies between and within ethnic groups. The 2004
Health Survey for England reported that the prevalence of overweight including obesity
(measured by Body Mass Index) was higher for Black Caribbean, Black African and Pakistani
women than those in the general population and the prevalence was markedly lower for
Chinese women. Different patterns were seen in men;
I have to be honest with you here:
Especially in the London region, it is *exceedingly* rare to encounter medics of real English ancestry in the NHS, most particularly English males. This is beyond ironic, singer modern medicine is basically the invention of Victorian era Englishmen of a particular strident stamp. The days of ‘Lancelot Spratt’ are long gone.
The preponderance of medics are of subcon Indian origin. Therefore it’s little more than a straightforward percentage transect.
All doctors are required to work for the NHS (i.e. the government), which alone decides where they work and what patients they see. (Any private work they do is in addition to their NHS work, i.e. nights and week-ends.) No other middle class profession has this imposed on it, only doctors. Together with the low pay and long hours, it's a huge deterrent to kids choosing a career. Young Brits don't want to be doctors. They want to be teachers, lawyers, architects, engineers, etc.
Hence the reliance on third world doctors, who don’t mind the poor pay and conditions and lack of professional freedom.Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @YetAnotherAnon
I would assume that the most talented doctors would tend to follow the money into private practice. I know the UK has a parallel private insurance-funded system. But as an American I have no sense of how extensive it is.Replies: @jim jones
I see they make no mention of vitamin D, which is known to be critical to the immune system. Its active form is especially important in preventing or ameliorating ARDS, which is apparently the principal cause of death in Covid-19.
How do you get vitamin D? Mostly it is made in the skin on exposure to the sun. Older white people have trouble making enough, so should supplement, as should every white in winter in dull northern climes.
Melanin is a natural sun-screen, which means that darker races are adapted to getting the right dose of vitamin D in the regions where they evolved. In the far north and far south they cannot produce enough and must supplement or their health will suffer.
No one in the UK establishment has the balls to say this. It is tantamount to telling blacks and Asians “you do not belong here”.
Apart from vitamin D, Sub-Saharan Africans and their mixed race descendants with sickle cell disease (SCD) are hypersensitive to colder temperatures.Replies: @Jack D
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19812604Replies: @Simon Tugmutton, @res
Ate the real English supposed to clap as they hand over their PPE’s?
Wow, we really are on a war footing! Until now I thought it was just a figure of speech.
Anyone else thinking of this, with “fame” replaced by “BAME”?
https://youtu.be/mQZmCJUSC6g
This is ludicrous now. The British must train their own.
Just as we shouldn’t rely on China for our manufactured goods we should not rely on foreigners or people who feel like foreigners for our medical care.
These “heros” who come to the U.K. because they are so caring are no such thing. If trained medical personnel really cared they would work in their own third-world country.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52152375
Many if not most of these “BAME” medics who succumb appear to be either old or fat, frankly.
It is partly misplaced munificence. Where the British used to send their sons and daughters off to "work another's gain", now they invite the Other in for access to the good life.
Interesting data.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8249151/Ethnic-minority-medics-account-72-cent-NHS-Covid-19-deaths.html
Here’s the demography of England as of 2011.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_England#Ethnicity
White: 85.4%
Indian: 2.6%
Pakistani: 2.1%
Bangladeshi: 0.8%
Chinese: 0.7%
Other Asian: 1.6%
Caribbean: 1.1%
African: 1.8%
Other Black: 0.5%
Other: 1.0%
Mixed: 2.3%
So the ethnic demographics of COVID-related mortality generally aren’t radically dissimilar from the general English population.
But the native population skews old, and the immigrant or immigrant-descended population skews a lot younger.Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
Only if they want to stay out of prison.
Also, what percentage of staff are BAME? You need a denominator for the 63 percent.
And Asian means Indian and Pakistani in limey-speak: Are they saying that African ancestry and Caucasian-subcontinentsl ancestry are similar in risk relative to Caucasian-European ancestry? Unlikely. Indians group closer to Europeans genetically.Replies: @International Jew, @Hypnotoad666, @Nikolai Vladivostok, @ogunsiron
They make you more likely to get infected outside of work, and thus to bring your infection with you to work. So maybe giving them a vacation does make sense, just not for the official reason. As you say, they’ve got it backwards.
Let’s face it, those suckers just can’t get a break. Even Covid discriminates and oppresses people of color.
The interesting thing is that traditionally the English were far less PC than Americans. It’s fascinating how much their society has changed in the last 3 decades, especially under John Major and Tony Blair.
One wonders who is behind this.
Even highly politically incorrect Boris Johnson has rejected demands to release information on the ethnicity of the grooming gangs. This is despite the report being created by a Muslim Home Secretary.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/04/27/boris-govt-rejects-petition-demanding-release-grooming-gangs-report/
Very strange.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Friends_of_IsraelReplies: @anonymous
: )Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
Especially in the London region, it is *exceedingly* rare to encounter medics of real English ancestry in the NHS, most particularly English males. This is beyond ironic, singer modern medicine is basically the invention of Victorian era Englishmen of a particular strident stamp. The days of 'Lancelot Spratt' are long gone.
The preponderance of medics are of subcon Indian origin. Therefore it's little more than a straightforward percentage transect.Replies: @PiltdownMan, @YetAnotherAnon, @Anonymous, @Hypnotoad666
Adler: "Did the other boys watch?"
JRJ: "No! Why on earth would they?"
Adler: "So that Justice was not only done, but seen to be done!"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8249151/Ethnic-minority-medics-account-72-cent-NHS-Covid-19-deaths.htmlHere's the demography of England as of 2011.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_England#Ethnicity
White: 85.4%
Indian: 2.6%
Pakistani: 2.1%
Bangladeshi: 0.8%
Chinese: 0.7%
Other Asian: 1.6%
Caribbean: 1.1%
African: 1.8%
Other Black: 0.5%
Other: 1.0%
Mixed: 2.3%
So the ethnic demographics of COVID-related mortality generally aren't radically dissimilar from the general English population.Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Bill Jones
“So the ethnic demographics of COVID-related mortality generally aren’t radically dissimilar from the general English population.”
But the native population skews old, and the immigrant or immigrant-descended population skews a lot younger.
So perhaps both factors cancel each other out.
The point is that there is likely no COVID mortality bias in the UK.
Especially in the London region, it is *exceedingly* rare to encounter medics of real English ancestry in the NHS, most particularly English males. This is beyond ironic, singer modern medicine is basically the invention of Victorian era Englishmen of a particular strident stamp. The days of 'Lancelot Spratt' are long gone.
The preponderance of medics are of subcon Indian origin. Therefore it's little more than a straightforward percentage transect.Replies: @PiltdownMan, @YetAnotherAnon, @Anonymous, @Hypnotoad666
More than half of Brit med students are female, and a quarter are of subcon extraction.
A relative went on a “how to get into med school” course at a Brit university one summer, and half the attendees were Asian (subcon).
I’d be interested to know how much they’ve expanded the number of med students, to cope with the fact that most male medics work to retirement, while a full-time female doctor with children is (thankfully) a rarity. A GP practice wanting three full-time doctors has to hire six females.
Typically, prior to 1940 most of the great London medical schools refused to admit female students - this was part of their justification, an expensive medical education, which implicitly includes a duty to the people of the nation as the pay back for a lucrative career - was likely more or less wasted. One might just as well burn hospital buildings down.Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @stillCARealist
1)In Germany (and in other countries probably as well) you are finished with med school in your late twenties. Most male doctors then take on additional training in a specialty, which takes around another 5 years. The problem with female doctors is that most female doctors get pregnant during this additional training and then either stop their training alltogether or switch to easy specialties.
2)Most female doctors work in a very narrow range of specialties (OB-GYN, family medicine, pediatrics) which leads to a shortage in other specialties (oncology, neurology etc.)
3)Most female doctors want to work in urban centers. Combined with 2) you get an over-abundance of ob-gyns in the cities and a lack of doctors in rural areas . (The big difference between female doctors and female teachers is that teachers want to work in the countryside (less NAMs, more intact families) whereas female doctors want to work in the city.
The big difference between Germany and the US (I do not know about the situation in GB) is that in Germany the state pays for medical school (around 200 00 euros per graduate), whereas in the US a lot of the cost is paid by the student himself. So in Germany, the whole society pays for this bad investment, whereas in the US the female doctor and her spouse (if she is married) pay for this bad investment. (I had a time, where I listened to Dave Ramsey a lot. I can recall several female callers (sometimes their husbands called Dave), who had gone to graduate school (law or med school), taken out student loans worth 300 000 USD+ , that were still due and wanted to become stay-at-home-moms. )
https://imgur.com/a/9tMsiYM
https://imgur.com/a/x8rymbnReplies: @JohnnyWalker123
One wonders who is behind this.
Even highly politically incorrect Boris Johnson has rejected demands to release information on the ethnicity of the grooming gangs. This is despite the report being created by a Muslim Home Secretary.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/04/27/boris-govt-rejects-petition-demanding-release-grooming-gangs-report/Very strange.Replies: @Simon Tugmutton, @Morton's toes
Indeed it is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Friends_of_Israel
In the very short term it costs more to train our own, so we don’t do it, there are a lack of training places and many are turned away.
Yet now it is held to be racist not to promote foreign doctors pari passu.
A recent BBC story commemorating the NHS medical staff who have died was stuffed with old and obese foreigners - some "consultants" still working in their 70s. One 79.
This was dressed up as selfless dedication but the truth is that someone who has locked himself into an institution where he can rely on the PC kowtow and ethnic nepotism to protect him or her from any suggestion they might withdraw.
We can't drop admission standards, oh no, so instead we import foreign butchers.
Apparently, this very fact, that a very substantial proportion of female qualified doctors either abandon the profession altogether or take ‘breaks’ lasting of years from practice is the explanation why the NHS has been importing foreign medics on a wholesale basis since its inception.
Typically, prior to 1940 most of the great London medical schools refused to admit female students – this was part of their justification, an expensive medical education, which implicitly includes a duty to the people of the nation as the pay back for a lucrative career – was likely more or less wasted. One might just as well burn hospital buildings down.
Go here and you can see the split of ethnicities in med schools. You can also see that only around 38% of students in the great London teaching hospitals are White British.
https://www.gmc-uk.org/education/reports-and-reviews/medical-school-reports
Imperial - 33.3%
KCL - 37.3%
Queen Mary - 40.9%
UCL - 44.2%
Another niece just spent a small fortune and several years to become a physician's associate. Now she instantly wants to move to part time to have kids. She, and my sister, will hotly defend this as best, but I'm having serious doubts about all this. It's wonderful to have women in medicine, since so many of their patients will be women, but all that school, and training, and time, and money, and sacrifice, just so you can work a tiny amount. I'm starting to think it's largely about a title: I'm a nurse! I'm a doctor! I'm a PA! Also that middle-class women can't even contemplate not having a college education and a profession.Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Jack D, @anon, @GermanReader2, @Nikolai Vladivostok, @James N. Kennett
Well UK whites are acting like conquered vassals, and historically speaking, to the victors go the spoils right?
Perhaps the sloppiness with which they conduct the generality of their lives isn’t magically abated by new kit?
I’m struck by the high concentration of cases in southern Wales. The concentration in London and the surrounding area is not unexpected, but what accounts for the high numbers around Cardiff and Swansea? Could that be a big retirement destination for British pensioners? A super spreader event?
Those of us familiar with the local population might suggest that it is just evolution in action.Replies: @LondonBob
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8249151/Ethnic-minority-medics-account-72-cent-NHS-Covid-19-deaths.htmlHere's the demography of England as of 2011.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_England#Ethnicity
White: 85.4%
Indian: 2.6%
Pakistani: 2.1%
Bangladeshi: 0.8%
Chinese: 0.7%
Other Asian: 1.6%
Caribbean: 1.1%
African: 1.8%
Other Black: 0.5%
Other: 1.0%
Mixed: 2.3%
So the ethnic demographics of COVID-related mortality generally aren't radically dissimilar from the general English population.Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Bill Jones
There is a difference between the English population and the population of England.
True. But IIRC a great swathe of importing doctors have such low standards that they fail British medical exams.
Yet now it is held to be racist not to promote foreign doctors pari passu.
A recent BBC story commemorating the NHS medical staff who have died was stuffed with old and obese foreigners – some “consultants” still working in their 70s. One 79.
This was dressed up as selfless dedication but the truth is that someone who has locked himself into an institution where he can rely on the PC kowtow and ethnic nepotism to protect him or her from any suggestion they might withdraw.
You don’t get eccentrics like James Robertson Justice any more.
He only took up acting pretty late in life after having fought in Spain and WWII.
He once opined loudly in his club that he had been sexually molested at his public (ie private) school, and it had done him no harm, which led to this funny exchange with Larry Adler
Adler: “Did the other boys watch?”
JRJ: “No! Why on earth would they?”
Adler: “So that Justice was not only done, but seen to be done!”
The last time I spoke to an actual English doctor in a Central London hospital (in 2001) he was noticeably irritated by the complete incompetence of the Third World staff.
Send them back to India and Pakistan.
My son had to go to the emergency room here. He gets bad migraines and then anxiety makes them even worse (we learned of the migraine issue after this happened again back in the states). He threw up at work (it was his last day and he was leaving us to fly back to the states) and was having all sorts of issues with coherency. He was forgetting things he’d normally know as my wife was taking him home so she went to the hospital in the town near us (population about 25,000) to have him evaluated.
I still get flustered thinking about the 4 days he spent in the hospital. They were very thorough. MRI, X-Ray, CAT Scan, Lumbar Puncture (to test for Meningitis). Blood test to check for drugs. The hospital was dirty and run down. The room he was in was…I really should have taken pictures. Nursing care was virtually non-existent. The Doctor’s conclusion was that he had a bad reaction to his breakfast on the morning he first showed symptoms. They sent him home with a pat on the back.
Breakfast? Bacon, egg, and bagel sandwich. What he ate just about every morning he worked.
The culprit according to the Muslim Doctor who oversaw his care? Bacon.
He had a bad reaction to….bacon.
But at least the care was free.
Over here the signs say “Save The NHS” first and foremost. Save the NHS. These british weirdos are sick in the head when it comes to their “NHS”.
Can’t wait to leave.
Can’t wait to come home and spend over $575 on my organizations health-plan per month for quality healthcare in a clean and well sanitized space. Where, for at least the next couple of years, you can kind of sort of count on the Doctor being competent…
Ethnic Nepotism, Incompetence and Parasitism at Britain's National Health Service
https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2015/08/30/ethnic-nepotism-incompetence-and-parasitism-at-britains-national-health-service/
Bad Medicine II: The Escalating Problem of Third World Doctors
https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2018/08/29/bad-medicine-ii-the-escalating-problem-of-third-world-doctors/
The UK is arguably the most degenerate nation on earth right now, a nation in total free-fall. And it doesn’t seem like Brexit is going to slow it much, if at all.
Meanwhile, back in the USA, we have some good medically related news:
More than 200,000 people who are in the United States on an H-1B visa, which is a temporary work visa for people with specialized skills, could soon seen their status in the U.S. turn to “illegal”.
But nah, Trump will swoop in to solve this. Why did I mention medical? Here’s an interesting tidbit:
Isn’t it great that we provide our scarce medial resources to subcon invaders?
Let me guess if the vibrant die, it will be racism rather than the NHS. How utterly convenient!
Wow, not only does race exist, but minorities seem to be inferior in some ways. Shocking! 😱
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Friends_of_IsraelReplies: @anonymous
Why would Conservative Friends of Israel want to suppress information about Muslim grooming gangs?
also The Lord Levin scandal - he advised Blair, don' worry about white voters, just open the borders and support Israel and you will stay in power (and be rewarded afterward)
Typically, prior to 1940 most of the great London medical schools refused to admit female students - this was part of their justification, an expensive medical education, which implicitly includes a duty to the people of the nation as the pay back for a lucrative career - was likely more or less wasted. One might just as well burn hospital buildings down.Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @stillCARealist
The med schools are tremendously keen on diversity these days, and measure it a lot.
Go here and you can see the split of ethnicities in med schools. You can also see that only around 38% of students in the great London teaching hospitals are White British.
https://www.gmc-uk.org/education/reports-and-reviews/medical-school-reports
Imperial – 33.3%
KCL – 37.3%
Queen Mary – 40.9%
UCL – 44.2%
I think it is just political feelgood talk. In a practical situation, you cannot really distribute PPE according to ethnicity or skin color.
“Sorry, Dr. White, you only get one surgical glove today, because Nurse Black needs two, and we only have three to share between you, based on our computerized PPE management software algorithm provided by the Department of Health and Equalness. We are trying to source some more, but our glovemakers are cutting production due to Glover’s Union industrial action over lack of PPD.”
You really have been out of the UK for a long time.
Do the Chinese have trades unions?Replies: @Jack D
Well, you are very lucky that your organization is so good to you. I was paying $500 a month for Obamacare for my wife and two kids, until I discovered that the plan provided no health care at all, and that you still had to spend thousands of dollars of your own money before the insurance paid for anything. So I soon stopped the plan and decided just to go the pay cash or file for bankruptcy route to finance health car–which worked out very well.
Still, even though $575 per month for family insurance with everything included sounds like a great deal, the majority of Americans would still not be able to afford it. That is the cost of 2 car payments.
Most people, if they went to the Emergency Room in the US complaining of throwing up (just one time?) and forgetting things, and stayed in hospital 4 days would end up with a bill for tens of thousands of dollars that they would have to spend the rest of their life paying for, or else file for bankruptcy.
When my wife was in a fender bender, she was taken to the ER, because she said her arm hurt. She was in the ER less than 30 minutes and had an X-ray and 2 Tylenol before I picked her up, and they said there was nothing wrong with her. The bill was $6000, $5000 of which was paid by GEICO, plus another $100o for a 400 yard ride in an ambulance. In the UK it would have been free. That is why automobile insurance is cheaper in the UK.
Mend it, Don't end it!
/sarc
ATate, that doctor should know better…bacon makes everything better!
In Buffalo the president of the Common Council obtained enough PPE to pass them out in the inner city. No mention of where the gloves and masks came from in the Buffalo News article.
Meet “Compassionate” bug eyed Yvonne Coghill:
"Sorry, Dr. White, you only get one surgical glove today, because Nurse Black needs two, and we only have three to share between you, based on our computerized PPE management software algorithm provided by the Department of Health and Equalness. We are trying to source some more, but our glovemakers are cutting production due to Glover's Union industrial action over lack of PPD."Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
“our glovemakers are cutting production due to Glover’s Union industrial action”
You really have been out of the UK for a long time.
Do the Chinese have trades unions?
If you have not already done so, watch the American Factory documentary.
The British state Political Correctness caste system decrees that “BAME” people’s sensitivities (mental and physical) are more important than whites’ and must be pioritised over whites’. Number one rule, instructs all policy (quite literally, Ministers have to complete an “equality impact” statement certifying that they have taken into consideration and obeyed the tenets of this racial caste system).
One wonders who is behind this.
Even highly politically incorrect Boris Johnson has rejected demands to release information on the ethnicity of the grooming gangs. This is despite the report being created by a Muslim Home Secretary.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/04/27/boris-govt-rejects-petition-demanding-release-grooming-gangs-report/Very strange.Replies: @Simon Tugmutton, @Morton's toes
Put on your thinking cap my good fellow. I don’t believe you will have to strain yourself for very long.
: )
https://www.defendevropa.com/2017/news/britains-migration-museum-decidedly-jewish/By the way, Tony Blair seems to have gotten really rich (watch this documentary below). I wonder why. Why do so many powerful individuals&interests want to enrich Tony Blair? What'd he do that they're rewarding him for?
Also, who are these individuals that love Tony Blair so much? Who?
Hmm.... Very mysterious....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOQGn8OWSDIReplies: @peterike, @LondonBob
It’s just a matter of throwing enough money at the problem…..yours….until the program works!
Mend it, Don’t end it!
/sarc
Especially in the London region, it is *exceedingly* rare to encounter medics of real English ancestry in the NHS, most particularly English males. This is beyond ironic, singer modern medicine is basically the invention of Victorian era Englishmen of a particular strident stamp. The days of 'Lancelot Spratt' are long gone.
The preponderance of medics are of subcon Indian origin. Therefore it's little more than a straightforward percentage transect.Replies: @PiltdownMan, @YetAnotherAnon, @Anonymous, @Hypnotoad666
Being a doctor in Britain is a bad job because of the poor pay/conditions and lack of professional freedom.
All doctors are required to work for the NHS (i.e. the government), which alone decides where they work and what patients they see. (Any private work they do is in addition to their NHS work, i.e. nights and week-ends.) No other middle class profession has this imposed on it, only doctors. Together with the low pay and long hours, it’s a huge deterrent to kids choosing a career. Young Brits don’t want to be doctors. They want to be teachers, lawyers, architects, engineers, etc.
Hence the reliance on third world doctors, who don’t mind the poor pay and conditions and lack of professional freedom.
Prospective colleagues can look forward to outstanding quality of life on the doorstep of the stunning Lake District National Park, Yorkshire Dales National Park and Forest of Bowland Outstanding Area of Natural Beauty.Applicants for both full time and part time positions are welcomed. The consultant post has become available due to existing colleagues taking up senior managerial and clinical academic positions and reducing their clinical commitments.The posts represent a fantastic career opportunity for clinicians with imagination, drive and commitment to work with the eight existing Respiratory Physicians and community partners to develop clinical services for the population across Morecambe Bay.An exciting recent development has been the creation of the Morecambe Bay Respiratory Network (MBRN). This project unites secondary care colleagues with primary care respiratory leaders to optimise diagnosis and local care of patients across Morecambe Bay. This is supported with shared guidelines and clinical pathways along with regular community MDT meetings attended by UHMB consultants. The project was recently awarded over 1 million pounds of recurrent funding to further develop and has received excellent patient and staff feedback including independent analysis by the University of Cumbria.The Successful Consultant Appointee Will Be Expected ToProvide specialist out-patient opinion and case management in a properly mentored and supported secondary care setting;Show leadership in the promotion of education and in sharing best practice with primary and community care practitionersConsolidate and develop respiratory services across Morecambe BayThe University Hospitals of Morecambe Bay NHS Foundation Trust has a keen interest and extensive involvement in Medical and Dental Education at both Undergraduate and Postgraduate levels. They work in partnership with Lancaster Medical School, North Western Deaneryand Health Education North West to provide quality education and training which meets the requirements of these regulatory bodies as well as the Trust’s high standards of patient care. UHMBFT provides one of the main NHS settings for students from Lancaster Medical School as they co-ordinate, deliver and quality assure the clinical component of Lancaster Medical Schools MBChB degree programme
Please contact Kirsty Pool at Pertemps click applyReplies: @Jonathan Mason
Nonsense. The only compulsory NHS work is F1 and F2, i.e. the two years hospital work you must do after 5 years of med school to become a fully qualified doctor. Even then you usually have a (restricted) choice of locations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundation_doctor
"Together with the low pay and long hours, it’s a huge deterrent to kids choosing a career. "
Which is why a record number applied in 2019.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-50318703https://www.timeshighereducation.com/student/blogs/student-blog-are-medical-school-admissions-too-competitive" lack of professional freedom"
Partly because of sheer size, the NHS is the place where an ambitious doctor makes his/her reputation - a reputation which may then be utilised in lucrative private practice or indeed abroad.
It’s always “our NHS”. There is a minority population of about 10% socialist fundamentalists, who will go berserk if the NHS is changed in any way, meaning we cannot follow superior models such as Germany has.
The NHS is a healthcare system where the incentive is to get rid of as many potential patients as possible at the pre-care/scanning stage. If you’re middle-class, white, young and polite, they will definitely try to cast you off as early as possible. So you have to be very persistent and understand that everyone in the outer rings of the system is trying to dismiss your complaint (irrespective of the severity of your symptoms). Sometimes then you can work your way into the inner-rings of the service, and get excellent healthcare and good doctors after about usually a year or 10 months of Soviet-style queuing, bureaucracy etc.
The idiots in power created the problem in the first place by importing culturally incompatible ‘darkies’ from former colonies under the guise of labor shortages and at the same time ‘expelled’ millions of poor whites to Australia and New Zealand including actor Hugh Jackman’s parents.
Apart from vitamin D, Sub-Saharan Africans and their mixed race descendants with sickle cell disease (SCD) are hypersensitive to colder temperatures.
When the story of the Decline and Fall of European Civilization is written, it will be seen that WWI was the beginning of the end.Replies: @Goddard
Oh indeed, it takes 7 years to train a dentist, and there is a shortage. But there has been a shortage for the last 40 years.
We can’t drop admission standards, oh no, so instead we import foreign butchers.
Brits and their swarthy third world pets are a joke in most of Europe.
Ethnic Nepotism, Incompetence and Parasitism at Britain’s National Health Service
https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2015/08/30/ethnic-nepotism-incompetence-and-parasitism-at-britains-national-health-service/
Bad Medicine II: The Escalating Problem of Third World Doctors
https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2018/08/29/bad-medicine-ii-the-escalating-problem-of-third-world-doctors/
Also, what percentage of staff are BAME? You need a denominator for the 63 percent.
And Asian means Indian and Pakistani in limey-speak: Are they saying that African ancestry and Caucasian-subcontinentsl ancestry are similar in risk relative to Caucasian-European ancestry? Unlikely. Indians group closer to Europeans genetically.Replies: @International Jew, @Hypnotoad666, @Nikolai Vladivostok, @ogunsiron
The real problem is apparently that they are “at risk” of infecting others. Prioritizing them for masks is probably really to protect patients and coworkers. But the messaging has to be reversed for political correctness reasons. You can’t BLAME the BAME.
Dude, after more than a decade, I am so glad my legacy is finally being accepted.
Especially in the London region, it is *exceedingly* rare to encounter medics of real English ancestry in the NHS, most particularly English males. This is beyond ironic, singer modern medicine is basically the invention of Victorian era Englishmen of a particular strident stamp. The days of 'Lancelot Spratt' are long gone.
The preponderance of medics are of subcon Indian origin. Therefore it's little more than a straightforward percentage transect.Replies: @PiltdownMan, @YetAnotherAnon, @Anonymous, @Hypnotoad666
What is the salary for an NHS doctor?
I would assume that the most talented doctors would tend to follow the money into private practice. I know the UK has a parallel private insurance-funded system. But as an American I have no sense of how extensive it is.
For years, they have been bringing these people into the country with the justification they are needed to work in the NHS (of course this is a circle, they need more imported workers to take care of the imported workers they brought in last time; but that’s a different story).
Now they are working in the NHS, and are saying, oh no we need white people to be doing the work. Only white people should be getting sick and dying of this. So if they’re not needed, they have to go back right?
Typically, prior to 1940 most of the great London medical schools refused to admit female students - this was part of their justification, an expensive medical education, which implicitly includes a duty to the people of the nation as the pay back for a lucrative career - was likely more or less wasted. One might just as well burn hospital buildings down.Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @stillCARealist
IN the past I may have internally objected to your assumptions about women. But watching the females in my own family over the last 10 years has changed my mind. I have two nieces who became nurses and immediately had babies. Then more babies. They are both now only working 1 day/week. Is this model truly what they went through all that training for? They’re both competent, compassionate women, but really they want to be moms and wives. Great, that’s great, but maybe the nursing profession should adapt to the reality that so many women want just a little work outside the home–not full time.
Another niece just spent a small fortune and several years to become a physician’s associate. Now she instantly wants to move to part time to have kids. She, and my sister, will hotly defend this as best, but I’m having serious doubts about all this. It’s wonderful to have women in medicine, since so many of their patients will be women, but all that school, and training, and time, and money, and sacrifice, just so you can work a tiny amount. I’m starting to think it’s largely about a title: I’m a nurse! I’m a doctor! I’m a PA! Also that middle-class women can’t even contemplate not having a college education and a profession.
It's about earning their feminist merit badge(s) on the standard feminist track. This applies whether they identify overtly as "feminist" or not, the misandry and gynocentrism is embedded into the entire education system, not just medicine.
https://assets.bigcartel.com/product_images/195249355/1_IMG_7517.jpg?auto=format&fit=max&w=300
It is good news that they aren't so pozzed as to reject childbearing totally. Too many professional women are.
Of course each woman accepted into med school who later decides to go part time just increases the load on the rest of the medicos, i.e. the men who must work full+ time. It's just another example of the way women's whims must be catered to, no matter who else is affected.
Not a big deal, except that so many women doctors want career breaks, and when they return to work they want family-friendly hours. I suspect that this attitude has also infected the male doctors - after all, why work a 40-hour week for £100,000 when you can have a much more pleasant lifestyle and only need £50,000? Yet we don't train more doctors to compensate - instead we import them from other countries.
I would assume that the most talented doctors would tend to follow the money into private practice. I know the UK has a parallel private insurance-funded system. But as an American I have no sense of how extensive it is.Replies: @jim jones
The average salary in my GP Surgery is £80.000 a year
https://youtu.be/uO4hMfvnZQEReplies: @Smithsonian
Whenever I hear it, which is depressingly often, I always think of the Carly Simon song ‘you’re so BAME’.
You really have been out of the UK for a long time.
Do the Chinese have trades unions?Replies: @Jack D
On paper they do but they are controlled by management/the Communist Party (often the same thing since the government owns many businesses and many tycoons are Party members). The unions, oddly enough, see their role as helping their employer to grow and prosper so that the workers can mutually benefit. Western unions see labor/management relations as a zero sum game and whether the employer stays in business or goes broke is not their concern.
If you have not already done so, watch the American Factory documentary.
Another niece just spent a small fortune and several years to become a physician's associate. Now she instantly wants to move to part time to have kids. She, and my sister, will hotly defend this as best, but I'm having serious doubts about all this. It's wonderful to have women in medicine, since so many of their patients will be women, but all that school, and training, and time, and money, and sacrifice, just so you can work a tiny amount. I'm starting to think it's largely about a title: I'm a nurse! I'm a doctor! I'm a PA! Also that middle-class women can't even contemplate not having a college education and a profession.Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Jack D, @anon, @GermanReader2, @Nikolai Vladivostok, @James N. Kennett
still, Their short working hours and questionable availability leads to less pay which fuels the mantra that women make less pay…an endless circle.
Apart from vitamin D, Sub-Saharan Africans and their mixed race descendants with sickle cell disease (SCD) are hypersensitive to colder temperatures.Replies: @Jack D
Not to mention the millions fed into the meat grinders of WWI and II.
When the story of the Decline and Fall of European Civilization is written, it will be seen that WWI was the beginning of the end.
Another niece just spent a small fortune and several years to become a physician's associate. Now she instantly wants to move to part time to have kids. She, and my sister, will hotly defend this as best, but I'm having serious doubts about all this. It's wonderful to have women in medicine, since so many of their patients will be women, but all that school, and training, and time, and money, and sacrifice, just so you can work a tiny amount. I'm starting to think it's largely about a title: I'm a nurse! I'm a doctor! I'm a PA! Also that middle-class women can't even contemplate not having a college education and a profession.Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Jack D, @anon, @GermanReader2, @Nikolai Vladivostok, @James N. Kennett
But nurses have been largely female for centuries, even when most other occupations were closed to them. (In a lot of languages, the word for nurse is “sister” reflecting that it was a job for nuns). Using nuns (mostly) took care of the pregnancy issue but how was this handled in say the last century, when most nurses were no longer nuns?
All doctors are required to work for the NHS (i.e. the government), which alone decides where they work and what patients they see. (Any private work they do is in addition to their NHS work, i.e. nights and week-ends.) No other middle class profession has this imposed on it, only doctors. Together with the low pay and long hours, it's a huge deterrent to kids choosing a career. Young Brits don't want to be doctors. They want to be teachers, lawyers, architects, engineers, etc.
Hence the reliance on third world doctors, who don’t mind the poor pay and conditions and lack of professional freedom.Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @YetAnotherAnon
This is not true–doctors apply for positions that they want and are not assigned to them–however it is fair to say that the vast majority of private practice doctors also work for the NHS. It is a bit like doctors having admitting privileges at hospitals in the US. You can work without the admitting privileges, but it limits your scope somewhat not having access to hospital services.
https://www.bma.org.uk/advice-and-support/private-practice/working-in-private-practice/working-in-private-practice-overview
Here is a sample advertisement:
An opportunity has arisen for a new Consultant and new Specialty doctor to join a department of Respiratory Medicine at University Hospitals of Morecambe Bay NHS Foundation UHMBT.
Prospective colleagues can look forward to outstanding quality of life on the doorstep of the stunning Lake District National Park, Yorkshire Dales National Park and Forest of Bowland Outstanding Area of Natural Beauty.
Applicants for both full time and part time positions are welcomed. The consultant post has become available due to existing colleagues taking up senior managerial and clinical academic positions and reducing their clinical commitments.
The posts represent a fantastic career opportunity for clinicians with imagination, drive and commitment to work with the eight existing Respiratory Physicians and community partners to develop clinical services for the population across Morecambe Bay.
An exciting recent development has been the creation of the Morecambe Bay Respiratory Network (MBRN). This project unites secondary care colleagues with primary care respiratory leaders to optimise diagnosis and local care of patients across Morecambe Bay. This is supported with shared guidelines and clinical pathways along with regular community MDT meetings attended by UHMB consultants. The project was recently awarded over 1 million pounds of recurrent funding to further develop and has received excellent patient and staff feedback including independent analysis by the University of Cumbria.
The Successful Consultant Appointee Will Be Expected To
Provide specialist out-patient opinion and case management in a properly mentored and supported secondary care setting;Show leadership in the promotion of education and in sharing best practice with primary and community care practitionersConsolidate and develop respiratory services across Morecambe Bay
The University Hospitals of Morecambe Bay NHS Foundation Trust has a keen interest and extensive involvement in Medical and Dental Education at both Undergraduate and Postgraduate levels. They work in partnership with Lancaster Medical School, North Western Deaneryand Health Education North West to provide quality education and training which meets the requirements of these regulatory bodies as well as the Trust’s high standards of patient care. UHMBFT provides one of the main NHS settings for students from Lancaster Medical School as they co-ordinate, deliver and quality assure the clinical component of Lancaster Medical Schools MBChB degree programme
Please contact Kirsty Pool at Pertemps click apply
The average pay for consultants, according to Glassdoor, is about 90,000 pounds. In most parts of the country--not London--one could live well on this salary, but many do boost their income with private practice income.
Here is more information about the pay.
https://bdiresourcing.com/news/a-doctors-pay-within-the-nhs/119
Another niece just spent a small fortune and several years to become a physician's associate. Now she instantly wants to move to part time to have kids. She, and my sister, will hotly defend this as best, but I'm having serious doubts about all this. It's wonderful to have women in medicine, since so many of their patients will be women, but all that school, and training, and time, and money, and sacrifice, just so you can work a tiny amount. I'm starting to think it's largely about a title: I'm a nurse! I'm a doctor! I'm a PA! Also that middle-class women can't even contemplate not having a college education and a profession.Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Jack D, @anon, @GermanReader2, @Nikolai Vladivostok, @James N. Kennett
I’m starting to think it’s largely about a title: I’m a nurse! I’m a doctor! I’m a PA! Also that middle-class women can’t even contemplate not having a college education and a profession.
It’s about earning their feminist merit badge(s) on the standard feminist track. This applies whether they identify overtly as “feminist” or not, the misandry and gynocentrism is embedded into the entire education system, not just medicine.
It is good news that they aren’t so pozzed as to reject childbearing totally. Too many professional women are.
Of course each woman accepted into med school who later decides to go part time just increases the load on the rest of the medicos, i.e. the men who must work full+ time. It’s just another example of the way women’s whims must be catered to, no matter who else is affected.
Prospective colleagues can look forward to outstanding quality of life on the doorstep of the stunning Lake District National Park, Yorkshire Dales National Park and Forest of Bowland Outstanding Area of Natural Beauty.Applicants for both full time and part time positions are welcomed. The consultant post has become available due to existing colleagues taking up senior managerial and clinical academic positions and reducing their clinical commitments.The posts represent a fantastic career opportunity for clinicians with imagination, drive and commitment to work with the eight existing Respiratory Physicians and community partners to develop clinical services for the population across Morecambe Bay.An exciting recent development has been the creation of the Morecambe Bay Respiratory Network (MBRN). This project unites secondary care colleagues with primary care respiratory leaders to optimise diagnosis and local care of patients across Morecambe Bay. This is supported with shared guidelines and clinical pathways along with regular community MDT meetings attended by UHMB consultants. The project was recently awarded over 1 million pounds of recurrent funding to further develop and has received excellent patient and staff feedback including independent analysis by the University of Cumbria.The Successful Consultant Appointee Will Be Expected ToProvide specialist out-patient opinion and case management in a properly mentored and supported secondary care setting;Show leadership in the promotion of education and in sharing best practice with primary and community care practitionersConsolidate and develop respiratory services across Morecambe BayThe University Hospitals of Morecambe Bay NHS Foundation Trust has a keen interest and extensive involvement in Medical and Dental Education at both Undergraduate and Postgraduate levels. They work in partnership with Lancaster Medical School, North Western Deaneryand Health Education North West to provide quality education and training which meets the requirements of these regulatory bodies as well as the Trust’s high standards of patient care. UHMBFT provides one of the main NHS settings for students from Lancaster Medical School as they co-ordinate, deliver and quality assure the clinical component of Lancaster Medical Schools MBChB degree programme
Please contact Kirsty Pool at Pertemps click applyReplies: @Jonathan Mason
The absolute minimum starting pay for a consultant physician position would be around 80,000 pounds, but there would be bonuses too that would bring the pay up.
The average pay for consultants, according to Glassdoor, is about 90,000 pounds. In most parts of the country–not London–one could live well on this salary, but many do boost their income with private practice income.
Here is more information about the pay.
https://bdiresourcing.com/news/a-doctors-pay-within-the-nhs/119
Titanic state bureaucracy engaging in political calculus… will wonders never cease?
Or perhaps pasties, leek soup, haggis, and other Celtic cuisine act as a preventative. Apparently, Bushmills does not, quite as much.
(Why is Ulster, the most divided corner of the UK, shown as a single district? What are they hiding?)
The bad part of London appears to be the Borough of Brent, which includes lovely, leafy Kilburn Park, where I stayed for a couple of months in the ’80s. Doesn’t surprise me at all. Is this the part now represented by the wonderfully named Tulip Siddiq?
(Technically, my flat was across the line in Maida Vale, but nobody was fooled. Just like the Culinary Institute of America is effectively in rundown Poughkeepsie, not prestigious Hyde Park. Just before settling
inacross thestreetroad from Kilburn, I’d met at a hostel a CIA student working at some obscure new thingy called “Hard Rock Cafe”. This was the epicenter of that virus.)Anyone ever notice that Britain looks like a giant HR Giger-type alien hovering menacingly over Ireland?
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.24.20075838v1
Like the holy roman empire they are neither conservative or ‘friends’ , of us at least.
also The Lord Levin scandal – he advised Blair, don’ worry about white voters, just open the borders and support Israel and you will stay in power (and be rewarded afterward)
In case anyone cares, it isn’t Cardiff or Swansea; it is Newport – very specifically Newport – and officially no one knows why.
Those of us familiar with the local population might suggest that it is just evolution in action.
All doctors are required to work for the NHS (i.e. the government), which alone decides where they work and what patients they see. (Any private work they do is in addition to their NHS work, i.e. nights and week-ends.) No other middle class profession has this imposed on it, only doctors. Together with the low pay and long hours, it's a huge deterrent to kids choosing a career. Young Brits don't want to be doctors. They want to be teachers, lawyers, architects, engineers, etc.
Hence the reliance on third world doctors, who don’t mind the poor pay and conditions and lack of professional freedom.Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @YetAnotherAnon
“All doctors are required to work for the NHS (i.e. the government), which alone decides where they work and what patients they see.”
Nonsense. The only compulsory NHS work is F1 and F2, i.e. the two years hospital work you must do after 5 years of med school to become a fully qualified doctor. Even then you usually have a (restricted) choice of locations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundation_doctor
“Together with the low pay and long hours, it’s a huge deterrent to kids choosing a career. “
Which is why a record number applied in 2019.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-50318703
https://www.timeshighereducation.com/student/blogs/student-blog-are-medical-school-admissions-too-competitive
” lack of professional freedom”
Partly because of sheer size, the NHS is the place where an ambitious doctor makes his/her reputation – a reputation which may then be utilised in lucrative private practice or indeed abroad.
But the native population skews old, and the immigrant or immigrant-descended population skews a lot younger.Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
The immigrant populations also skew towards the large cities.
So perhaps both factors cancel each other out.
The point is that there is likely no COVID mortality bias in the UK.
Ethnic minorities were three times more likely to be pressured, or three times as likely to feel that they were pressured?
: )Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/648008/Tony-Blair-Labour-immigration-asylum-seekers-UK-Brexit-EU-referendum
Barbara Roche.
Who’s Barbara Roche?
https://www.defendevropa.com/2017/news/britains-migration-museum-decidedly-jewish/
By the way, Tony Blair seems to have gotten really rich (watch this documentary below). I wonder why. Why do so many powerful individuals&interests want to enrich Tony Blair? What’d he do that they’re rewarding him for?
Also, who are these individuals that love Tony Blair so much? Who?
Hmm…. Very mysterious….
In Germany, there are studies, that female doctors work only about 66% of the hours male doctors work in their whole career. So, if you only look at the hours, 6 female doctors would be worth 4 male doctors in hours worked. However, there are other problems with female doctors, which IMO make them half as valuable for society as male doctors:
1)In Germany (and in other countries probably as well) you are finished with med school in your late twenties. Most male doctors then take on additional training in a specialty, which takes around another 5 years. The problem with female doctors is that most female doctors get pregnant during this additional training and then either stop their training alltogether or switch to easy specialties.
2)Most female doctors work in a very narrow range of specialties (OB-GYN, family medicine, pediatrics) which leads to a shortage in other specialties (oncology, neurology etc.)
3)Most female doctors want to work in urban centers. Combined with 2) you get an over-abundance of ob-gyns in the cities and a lack of doctors in rural areas . (The big difference between female doctors and female teachers is that teachers want to work in the countryside (less NAMs, more intact families) whereas female doctors want to work in the city.
The big difference between Germany and the US (I do not know about the situation in GB) is that in Germany the state pays for medical school (around 200 00 euros per graduate), whereas in the US a lot of the cost is paid by the student himself. So in Germany, the whole society pays for this bad investment, whereas in the US the female doctor and her spouse (if she is married) pay for this bad investment. (I had a time, where I listened to Dave Ramsey a lot. I can recall several female callers (sometimes their husbands called Dave), who had gone to graduate school (law or med school), taken out student loans worth 300 000 USD+ , that were still due and wanted to become stay-at-home-moms. )
How about a staycation, as they call them now… back in the old country?
Another niece just spent a small fortune and several years to become a physician's associate. Now she instantly wants to move to part time to have kids. She, and my sister, will hotly defend this as best, but I'm having serious doubts about all this. It's wonderful to have women in medicine, since so many of their patients will be women, but all that school, and training, and time, and money, and sacrifice, just so you can work a tiny amount. I'm starting to think it's largely about a title: I'm a nurse! I'm a doctor! I'm a PA! Also that middle-class women can't even contemplate not having a college education and a profession.Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Jack D, @anon, @GermanReader2, @Nikolai Vladivostok, @James N. Kennett
My impression is, that there are a lot of young women, who want to marry, have kids and become stay-at-home-moms, but go to college, because it is not societally acceptable to say outright that you want to marry and stay at home to take care of the kids.
https://www.defendevropa.com/2017/news/britains-migration-museum-decidedly-jewish/By the way, Tony Blair seems to have gotten really rich (watch this documentary below). I wonder why. Why do so many powerful individuals&interests want to enrich Tony Blair? What'd he do that they're rewarding him for?
Also, who are these individuals that love Tony Blair so much? Who?
Hmm.... Very mysterious....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOQGn8OWSDIReplies: @peterike, @LondonBob
Between her and fellow “white” person Alan Shatter in Ireland, the UK has been shoved well on its way to vibrant destruction.
Every Western country seems to have guys like this in positions of power.
Factoid: the Scilly climate is so warm that palm trees grow there.Replies: @Ancient Briton, @Grace Jones
Palm trees grow along the south coast of England as well as in northwest city of Liverpool because of the warm Gulf Stream.
I know how to spin this! We didn’t put enough black people on ventilators because racism, and then we put too many black people on ventilators because racism. Now we don’t take black people’s endless health issues seriously enough because, well, you know, and also we put too many black people in the hospital and give them too much (free) medical treatment because, um, where was I going with this again?
Move over Roxane Gay! Move over Stacey Abrams!
Move way over! There’s a new fatty in town!
“Rutgers University Professor” “Twitter Blue Check Approved”
30% of all “cases”?? Sounds like negroes are hogging all the test equipment, as well as the hospital beds and all the ventilators!
Law Enforcement is on her side! If only she could be fired for self-contradiction.
Below the fold, some of my favorite iSteve reader contributions on the topic:
Anon:
There’s a false narrative being pushed by the SJW left that blacks are getting Covid-19 because they tend to work service jobs. Well, who doesn’t work a service job nowadays? The US economy moved from a farming base to a manufacturing base to a middle-class service job economy during the 20th century. Most whites work a service job, too. Many whites have jobs that deal with customers or clients. Even those whites who don’t have service jobs still work inside offices close to co-workers in open floor plans with no walls. The white death rate shouldn’t be any different from the black rate, but it is. The idea that blacks have higher death rates because of service jobs just doesn’t cut it.
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Boomer says:
The New York Times had a library of health articles about the epidemic of uncontrolled Type 2 Diabetes, HBP and obesity among the Black, Puerto Rican and Dominican population in the city back a few years ago which they made available to nonsubscribers. It’s a multigenerational problem with fathers and sons getting kidney disease, losing eyesight, and having feet and legs amputated. The amazing thing was that in addition to being unable to change their diet or lifestyle they were not taking their medications. One of the proposed solutions was using community groups to hire people to knock on doors to remind them to take their meds. Medicaid and Obamacare are free or highly subsidized for the low or moderate-income. The developing narrative is that systemic racism and lack of healthcare are responsible. We need to know who is actually succumbing to the virus.
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Meretricious says:
I’d wager (everything I own) that the biggest cause is health habits.
Less access to care? Care is free for negroes and immigrants in this country. And it’s as close as the nearest ER.
Every urban and university ER is clogged with these people using it as an outpatient clinic.
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The Germ Theory of Disease says:
It’s all sort of like that old Gary Larson cartoon…
WHAT WE SAY TO PEOPLE OF COLOR: The latest research indicates that the pathogen has multiple vectors of infection, so that minimizing social interaction is a best-practice prophylaxis.
WHAT PEOPLE OF COLOR HEAR: Zibbidy zabbedy knock-knock whim-zam SLAVERY zadda zadda SLAVERY bibuddy buppety REPARATIONS zabbedy PROGRAMS yabbadayabbada SLAVERY zapputy zingzang REPARATIONS zimzam FREE STUFF whammalamma yipyop SLAVERY…….
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HammerJack says:
Bad habits. Poor diets consisting mainly of junk food. Ignoring medical advice. Menthol cigarettes and every illegal drug known to man. Rampant obesity. Refusal to exercise. Refusal to follow any rules such as social distancing. Tendency toward violence in virtually any situation.
Complete lack of self-discipline; apparent inability to apply themselves to any task requiring effort or knowledge; refusal to plan ahead or even to acknowledge the possibility of repercussions for their own behavior.
Refusal to take even the slightest bit of responsibility for their own health and welfare. That’s whitey’s job. Almost like they want to be back on the plantation.
Anon:
There’s a false narrative being pushed by the SJW left that blacks are getting Covid-19 because they tend to work service jobs. Well, who doesn’t work a service job nowadays? The US economy moved from a farming base to a manufacturing base to a middle-class service job economy during the 20th century. Most whites work a service job, too. Many whites have jobs that deal with customers or clients. Even those whites who don’t have service jobs still work inside offices close to co-workers in open floor plans with no walls. The white death rate shouldn’t be any different from the black rate, but it is. The idea that blacks have higher death rates because of service jobs just doesn’t cut it.------------------------------------------------------------Boomer says: The New York Times had a library of health articles about the epidemic of uncontrolled Type 2 Diabetes, HBP and obesity among the Black, Puerto Rican and Dominican population in the city back a few years ago which they made available to nonsubscribers. It’s a multigenerational problem with fathers and sons getting kidney disease, losing eyesight, and having feet and legs amputated. The amazing thing was that in addition to being unable to change their diet or lifestyle they were not taking their medications. One of the proposed solutions was using community groups to hire people to knock on doors to remind them to take their meds. Medicaid and Obamacare are free or highly subsidized for the low or moderate-income. The developing narrative is that systemic racism and lack of healthcare are responsible. We need to know who is actually succumbing to the virus.------------------------------------------------------------Meretricious says: I’d wager (everything I own) that the biggest cause is health habits.Less access to care? Care is free for negroes and immigrants in this country. And it’s as close as the nearest ER.Every urban and university ER is clogged with these people using it as an outpatient clinic.------------------------------------------------------------The Germ Theory of Disease says: It’s all sort of like that old Gary Larson cartoon…WHAT WE SAY TO PEOPLE OF COLOR: The latest research indicates that the pathogen has multiple vectors of infection, so that minimizing social interaction is a best-practice prophylaxis.WHAT PEOPLE OF COLOR HEAR: Zibbidy zabbedy knock-knock whim-zam SLAVERY zadda zadda SLAVERY bibuddy buppety REPARATIONS zabbedy PROGRAMS yabbadayabbada SLAVERY zapputy zingzang REPARATIONS zimzam FREE STUFF whammalamma yipyop SLAVERY…….------------------------------------------------------------HammerJack says: Bad habits. Poor diets consisting mainly of junk food. Ignoring medical advice. Menthol cigarettes and every illegal drug known to man. Rampant obesity. Refusal to exercise. Refusal to follow any rules such as social distancing. Tendency toward violence in virtually any situation.Complete lack of self-discipline; apparent inability to apply themselves to any task requiring effort or knowledge; refusal to plan ahead or even to acknowledge the possibility of repercussions for their own behavior.Refusal to take even the slightest bit of responsibility for their own health and welfare. That’s whitey’s job. Almost like they want to be back on the plantation.Replies: @Steve Sailer
Blacks with jobs tend to get human contact jobs involving face to face contact and conversation, rather than sitting quietly at a desk processing words and numbers on a screen. For example, blacks have tended to be heavily employed in parts of the transportation industry (such as airport workers) since the famous Pullman porters of the later 19th Century. Looking for public facing jobs is a perfectly reasonable cultural specialization in one type of honest work. At the moment, however, it’s unluckier than focusing on work-from-homable jobs involving staring at a computer screen all day.
As I may have mentioned, the current crisis is unfair in rather random ways.
Are bames unhealthier in general? Fatter? More likely to fall sick?
Sounds like a good reason to send them all back home.
Also, what percentage of staff are BAME? You need a denominator for the 63 percent.
And Asian means Indian and Pakistani in limey-speak: Are they saying that African ancestry and Caucasian-subcontinentsl ancestry are similar in risk relative to Caucasian-European ancestry? Unlikely. Indians group closer to Europeans genetically.Replies: @International Jew, @Hypnotoad666, @Nikolai Vladivostok, @ogunsiron
In NHS, 20%. Among NHS medical staff, 44%. In most affected, urbanized areas, both proportions would be much higher but I could not find figures.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/16/inquiry-disproportionate-impact-coronavirus-bame
Another niece just spent a small fortune and several years to become a physician's associate. Now she instantly wants to move to part time to have kids. She, and my sister, will hotly defend this as best, but I'm having serious doubts about all this. It's wonderful to have women in medicine, since so many of their patients will be women, but all that school, and training, and time, and money, and sacrifice, just so you can work a tiny amount. I'm starting to think it's largely about a title: I'm a nurse! I'm a doctor! I'm a PA! Also that middle-class women can't even contemplate not having a college education and a profession.Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Jack D, @anon, @GermanReader2, @Nikolai Vladivostok, @James N. Kennett
A qualification is a hindbrain flex: look at my high IQ! Good genes for making you some clever, high income sons! It also gets women into environments rich in high value males – universities and hospitals – before they marry.
That's the theory. But when 60% of med students are female, and loads of uni jobs are now insecure short-contract gigs, there turn out not so be so many targets in these "target-rich" environments.
In the days when medicine was still pretty male (1970s) and nursing was an acceptable occupation for an intelligent middle-class girl, nurses married doctors. Now who are the lady doctors going to marry? There aren't enough doctors to go round, let alone consultants (girls like to marry up, at least where income is concerned).
It could also mean “British African Methodist Episcopal”.
Don’t laugh. The AME’s sister church in Canada is the BME.
“Equality” is probably the foremost of the many words in our modern lexicon which now mean approximately the opposite of what they’ve always meant.
https://www.gmc-uk.org/static/documents/content/SoMEP_2017_chapter_2.pdf
Median income for UK Physicians is £95,000.
Given that anti-social behavior is virtually a negro specialty, it seems passing strange that so many of them would be placed in “customer-facing” positions.
https://imgur.com/a/9tMsiYM
https://imgur.com/a/x8rymbnReplies: @JohnnyWalker123
https://www.medscape.com/slideshow/uk-doctors-salary-report-6009730
Median income for UK Physicians is £95,000.
Factoid: the Scilly climate is so warm that palm trees grow there.Replies: @Ancient Briton, @Grace Jones
A parlor palm is actually a pretty tough house plant. They’ll withstand cold down to 28F for short periods.
Vitamin D production after UVB exposure depends on baseline vitamin D and total cholesterol but not on skin pigmentation.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19812604
https://www.cooperinstitute.org/2017/09/22/vitamin-d-levels-in-the-us-population-are-getting-a-little-better-15776
https://www.cooperinstitute.org/vault/2440/web/images/Vitamin%20D%20Status%20of%203%20US%20Ethnic%20Groups%20-%20Fig%202.png
Any idea what that would be if not skin pigmentation?
One thing to consider:Do you know of any other papers finding something similar? Because most references I see in a quick search seem to indicate the opposite.Replies: @ogunsiron
Also, what percentage of staff are BAME? You need a denominator for the 63 percent.
And Asian means Indian and Pakistani in limey-speak: Are they saying that African ancestry and Caucasian-subcontinentsl ancestry are similar in risk relative to Caucasian-European ancestry? Unlikely. Indians group closer to Europeans genetically.Replies: @International Jew, @Hypnotoad666, @Nikolai Vladivostok, @ogunsiron
For various reaons, both african and south-asian groups might be more at risk than white europeans, though not necessarily equally more at risk.
Both groups are darker skinned than europeans and are thus much more likely to suffer from vitamin D deficiency, especially under british skies. Not a good thing when it comes to respiratory diseases.
I found something which indicates that black and pakistani women are more obese than the population at large:
From : https://hummedia.manchester.ac.uk/institutes/cmist/archive-publications/working-papers/2008/2008-17-ethnic-differences-in-obesity-diet-abd-physical-activity.pdf
(iii) Obesity and Ethnicity
The prevalence of overweight and obesity varies between and within ethnic groups. The 2004
Health Survey for England reported that the prevalence of overweight including obesity
(measured by Body Mass Index) was higher for Black Caribbean, Black African and Pakistani
women than those in the general population and the prevalence was markedly lower for
Chinese women. Different patterns were seen in men;
NAMs are the bame of my existence.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19812604Replies: @Simon Tugmutton, @res
Interesting, thanks; I didn’t know any of that. The conventional wisdom may need to be revised!
Those of us familiar with the local population might suggest that it is just evolution in action.Replies: @LondonBob
Our poster, Philip Owen, says it was due to an Italian rugby team coming over and playing a Welsh team in the area.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/dragons-benetton-match-coronavirus-newport-17992926
https://www.defendevropa.com/2017/news/britains-migration-museum-decidedly-jewish/By the way, Tony Blair seems to have gotten really rich (watch this documentary below). I wonder why. Why do so many powerful individuals&interests want to enrich Tony Blair? What'd he do that they're rewarding him for?
Also, who are these individuals that love Tony Blair so much? Who?
Hmm.... Very mysterious....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOQGn8OWSDIReplies: @peterike, @LondonBob
Barbara Roche belongs in Culture of Critique. It is remarkable how much impact these lone bureaucrats and politicians can have, there are examples for the US and Canada, without anyone else being aware as to what is going on. In the Blair years the media were very aggressive in stamping out any discussion as to what was going on in regards to immigration, they still are.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2324112/Lord-Mandelson-Immigrants-We-sent-search-parties-hard-Britons-work.htmlHis biography.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_MandelsonHis family.Replies: @fatmanscoop
She’s got plenty of mass to winnow, no wonder she’s concerned.
“It also gets women into environments rich in high value males – universities and hospitals – before they marry.”
That’s the theory. But when 60% of med students are female, and loads of uni jobs are now insecure short-contract gigs, there turn out not so be so many targets in these “target-rich” environments.
In the days when medicine was still pretty male (1970s) and nursing was an acceptable occupation for an intelligent middle-class girl, nurses married doctors. Now who are the lady doctors going to marry? There aren’t enough doctors to go round, let alone consultants (girls like to marry up, at least where income is concerned).
When the story of the Decline and Fall of European Civilization is written, it will be seen that WWI was the beginning of the end.Replies: @Goddard
My sem-namesake Stoddard would have agreed with you.
Don't laugh. The AME's sister church in Canada is the BME.Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
I just think they’re a bit on the functionally illiterate side. To wit: They left the “L” out.
Meanwhile, back in the USA, we have some good medically related news:
More than 200,000 people who are in the United States on an H-1B visa, which is a temporary work visa for people with specialized skills, could soon seen their status in the U.S. turn to "illegal".
But nah, Trump will swoop in to solve this. Why did I mention medical? Here's an interesting tidbit:Isn't it great that we provide our scarce medial resources to subcon invaders?Replies: @Buffalo Joe
peter, Years ago I had a young Dentist as a neighbor. He told me after he got out of school and started his pratice that he thought $100K-$125K would be good money. Problem is $250K isn’t great money after you pay your staff, rent, insurance, loans etc. How do you pay down $520K as a general practice Dentist. Now you can get your braces online and that kills business.
Sort of like here in the United States … but medical schools seem to be the gatekeepers for our supply of doctors here — and they’re doing a bang-up job, leaving those of US in the non-elite class having to deal with AA ‘doctors’ and 3d world ‘doctors’.
The AMA needs sanding down. The four year bachelors degree, four year med school model should be ridiculed. There should be a different model and there should be a minimum drop out rate. The seat is not precious.
Mr McK, tenure means never having to say you’re sorry, or wrong.
Third Worlders / women are always prioritized on the National HateWhiteMen Service. The branch of the Deep State that determines who does(not) get treatment is called national Institute for ceeing you next Tuesday Excellence (NICE). Go to their website & there’s all sorts of poz ‘diversity’ requirements for licensing on NHS.
Try being a White Irish Male & getting a job in Cuckstain / seeing a dermatologist. In 1 the DS ratswill meddle when you don’t want them, in another they will refuse treatment when you want it.
But licensing is only half the battle, getting the PC brigade to refer you (ancillary staff are dindus. Drs Indian) is the hardest part, right Dr Hickey? You did everything you could to mess my application, when it didn’t completely work you got your son employed. Even w/o name, I’d know the obnoxious, imposing attitude (arranging positions on first day when it’s job of HoD), cleft chin& PC ‘diversity’in what was once a ‘Goof Catholic School’ founded by Irish / Spanish / Polish.
Glad I didn’t apllaud poz. Never will. Nor should Amy NWM!!!!
Agree.
It is partly misplaced munificence. Where the British used to send their sons and daughters off to “work another’s gain”, now they invite the Other in for access to the good life.
Another niece just spent a small fortune and several years to become a physician's associate. Now she instantly wants to move to part time to have kids. She, and my sister, will hotly defend this as best, but I'm having serious doubts about all this. It's wonderful to have women in medicine, since so many of their patients will be women, but all that school, and training, and time, and money, and sacrifice, just so you can work a tiny amount. I'm starting to think it's largely about a title: I'm a nurse! I'm a doctor! I'm a PA! Also that middle-class women can't even contemplate not having a college education and a profession.Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Jack D, @anon, @GermanReader2, @Nikolai Vladivostok, @James N. Kennett
This is one of the weaknesses of the NHS. Only 40 years ago, most family doctors were men, and the occasional woman doctor tended to specialise in gynaecology and was in high demand. Then there was a determined effort, for feminist and PC reasons, to train more women as doctors. It was too successful. Now, a large majority of family doctors are women, and male doctors are a scarcity.
Not a big deal, except that so many women doctors want career breaks, and when they return to work they want family-friendly hours. I suspect that this attitude has also infected the male doctors – after all, why work a 40-hour week for £100,000 when you can have a much more pleasant lifestyle and only need £50,000? Yet we don’t train more doctors to compensate – instead we import them from other countries.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19812604Replies: @Simon Tugmutton, @res
Something is causing the differences seen here:
https://www.cooperinstitute.org/2017/09/22/vitamin-d-levels-in-the-us-population-are-getting-a-little-better-15776
Any idea what that would be if not skin pigmentation?
One thing to consider:
Do you know of any other papers finding something similar? Because most references I see in a quick search seem to indicate the opposite.
It seems plausible that somalis in Sweden are hugely over represented among covid cases largely because they're dark skinned people living at an extremely high latitude. Not much vitamin D being synthetized during the swedish winter for them.
NHS Tik-Tok Videos Are Not Diverse EnoughReplies: @anon
I wish there was an upvote function here LOL too perfect
Peter Benjamin Mandelson.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2324112/Lord-Mandelson-Immigrants-We-sent-search-parties-hard-Britons-work.html
His biography.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Mandelson
His family.
So if their living conditions make them “more likely to get infected outside of work”, then wouldn’t they bring their outside infection back to work with them? And wouldn’t they then infect their co-workers, which would result in an even distribution?
Let’s face it, those suckers just can’t get a break. Even Covid discriminates and oppresses people of color.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2324112/Lord-Mandelson-Immigrants-We-sent-search-parties-hard-Britons-work.htmlHis biography.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_MandelsonHis family.Replies: @fatmanscoop
Don’t forget Jonathan Portes – the Nu Labour Jewish economist who miraculously managed to calculate that all inward migration and settlement results in amazing communal benefit, all of the time. Absolute Jew con-artist and very influential during Nu Labour years. Still gets quoted.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_RachmanHis ethnic background might surprise you.https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2019/12/23/the-real-meaning-of-rachmanism/A "saviour."
https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2013/03/02/the-misplaced-minister-ireland-and-israels-alan-shatter/
A pro-immigration, pro-Israel “conservative.”
Every Western country seems to have guys like this in positions of power.
I forgot Peter Rachman.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Rachman
His ethnic background might surprise you.
https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2019/12/23/the-real-meaning-of-rachmanism/
A “saviour.”
https://www.cooperinstitute.org/2017/09/22/vitamin-d-levels-in-the-us-population-are-getting-a-little-better-15776
https://www.cooperinstitute.org/vault/2440/web/images/Vitamin%20D%20Status%20of%203%20US%20Ethnic%20Groups%20-%20Fig%202.png
Any idea what that would be if not skin pigmentation?
One thing to consider:Do you know of any other papers finding something similar? Because most references I see in a quick search seem to indicate the opposite.Replies: @ogunsiron
Everything I’ve read on the subject suggests that dark skinned people living at high latitudes still suffer from very widespread vitamin D deficiency.
It seems plausible that somalis in Sweden are hugely over represented among covid cases largely because they’re dark skinned people living at an extremely high latitude. Not much vitamin D being synthetized during the swedish winter for them.
The AMA is a union, but one where the GOP supports and not attacks them. They keep the number of doctors down. That horsevulva ((Amy Tuteur)) tried denying this, but she is lying.
The AMA needs sanding down. The four year bachelors degree, four year med school model should be ridiculed. There should be a different model and there should be a minimum drop out rate. The seat is not precious.