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Later tonight or early Wednesday morning, Taki’s Magazine should have up my new column on the enormous frontlash against Donald Trump’s suggestion that the slaughter of gay Latinos by a Muslim terrorist has implications for restructuring American immigration policy.

I go on to point out an optimistic if forgotten historical example of murderous immigrant terrorism in the U.S. that was shut down by the American majority taking a firm stand.

 
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  1. Puerto Ricans?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Bigger than Puerto Rican nationalist terrorism.
  2. @Chrisnonymous
    Puerto Ricans?

    Bigger than Puerto Rican nationalist terrorism.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    Based on the new JPEG titled "sacvan", I'm going to have to go with either Italian anarchists or Canadian literary critics... literary criticism being an arguable type of terrorism after all.

    I don't know much about Palmer Raids, etc, as I was edumacated in US public schools. Were they effective at deporting actual terrorists or sympathizers? Did they have an effect on helping/forcing Italian immigrants to integrate?
    , @Njguy73
    Could Sacco and Vanzetti be called "forgotten"?
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Bigger than Puerto Rican nationalist terrorism
     
    We'd be so much better off today if we had caved in to those Puerto Rican terrorists.
  3. Sacco and Vanzetti?

  4. Operation Wetback ??

  5. The irony that Omar Mateen wanted to murder people at Disney World, the same Disney corporation who favors immigration laws that make it even easier for the Omar Mateens of the world to immigrate to The U.S or parents who immigrate to The U.S that breed Omar Mateen type anchor babies.

  6. European Anarchists!

    That’s right, I’m payin’ attention.

  7. Ennio Morricone and Joan Baez’s tribute.

  8. @Steve Sailer
    Bigger than Puerto Rican nationalist terrorism.

    Based on the new JPEG titled “sacvan”, I’m going to have to go with either Italian anarchists or Canadian literary critics… literary criticism being an arguable type of terrorism after all.

    I don’t know much about Palmer Raids, etc, as I was edumacated in US public schools. Were they effective at deporting actual terrorists or sympathizers? Did they have an effect on helping/forcing Italian immigrants to integrate?

  9. It seems that Hilary Clinton’s poll numbers have skyrocketed.

    Wonder what’s up?

  10. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacco_and_Vanzetti

    Led to immigration restriction acts in 1921 and 1924.

    • Replies: @granesperanzablanco
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haymarket_affair

    An earlier example of immigrant anarchists

  11. Mr. Sailer:
    To the best of my understanding, a pencil-producing factory in Moscow, USSR, was named after those two terrorists.

    Since the discussion is related to Orlando, FL, event, the photograph of that Afganterrorist reminds me Mikhail Khodorkovsky, oligarch exiled from Russia.

  12. Why is Barack Hussein Obama not angry at Omar Mateen, when some of the Gays he murdered most likely could have been his son. Some of the Puerto Ricans in that Gay night club in Orlando were Roberto Clemente type Afro Puerto Ricans. I saw on Telemundo them interviewing a Black man who is fluent in Spanish who was in the club during the massacre.

    Or maybe only African Americans count as Barack’s sons.

  13. I saw a headline that said the FBI was investigating whether Mateen’s sexuality played a role in the event. Isn’t that illegal? I mean, to question one’s sexuality? Is this who we are? At tragic times and events like this, we question our sexuality?

  14. Link to Taki’s Mag is broken.

  15. Who gave American politicians the mandate to inject unchecked ‘diversity’ into this country and when? Was it the 1965 immigration act? When I came to the US in the 1980s it was still the America we imagined it would be. I began noticing the change in the mid 1990s.

  16. Off topic/on topic

    I saw on facebook that Obama is now claiming that banning Muslims would make us LESS safe…

    ???

  17. Armenian Cher is defending Muslims & Islam on Twitter, even though Muslims murdered millions of her people. Muslims are not big fans of Armenians.

    If her people were murdered by Germans for example instead of Muslims, I bet she would have an extreme hatred of Germans.

  18. I remember reading Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddhin on the Sac and the Van, and he gave frustration and disapproval as the European reaction. This mostly because it took too damn long to hang them. If they’re guilty just get it over with, was the upshot. That’s one thing the left is good at: not shutting the hell up, haranguing us until we throw our hands in the air, sick of the whole thing.

    I couldn’t walk away from the Zimmerman case, for instance, knowing he was innocent, happy pretty much the whole country knew it. (Unless they thought he was guilty nontheless, of something that isn’t yet a crime; “there oughtta be a law” against following a black while not-black.) It should’ve been a big victory over the shrieking left, but it only contributed to future nonsense, in the form of BLM. Because we were sick of the whole damn thing long before it was over.

  19. While much of Clint Eastwood’s J Edgar portrays Hoover a a vainglorious right winger who is motivated greatly by his repressed homosexuality, the one part of the film that seems to unreservedly support Hoover’s mission comes in the opening scenes during the Sacco and Venzetti era, where the very much violent anarchist/communist cells are raided, resulting in hundreds of deportations of the largely foreign-born members. That kind of parsing seems quite characteristic of Eastwood.

  20. Wiki On President McKinley:

    “However, his legacy was quickly cut short when he was shot on September 6, 1901 by Leon Czolgosz, a second-generation Polish-American with anarchist leanings; McKinley died eight days later, and was succeeded by Vice President Theodore Roosevelt. ”

    That damn second generation again!

  21. Wink wink nudge nudge, go on, a nod’s as good as a wink to a blind bat, ya know what I mean, say no more.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGrvQ1c5khU&feature=player_detailpage#t=9

  22. You used car salesman we all know about your Taki’s columns you f**kwit . Do you have any patent medicine cures for sale ? Your rabbit had more guts and integrity than you do .

    • Replies: @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever...
    "Your rabbit had more guts and integrity than you do".
    Leave Steve's rabbit be!!
  23. @countenance
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacco_and_Vanzetti

    Led to immigration restriction acts in 1921 and 1924.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haymarket_affair

    An earlier example of immigrant anarchists

  24. One benefit of the 1920s immigration restrictions was that there was a lower Bolshevik influence. It wasn’t eliminated, but it could’ve been much worse than what the country went through in the following decades.

    • Agree: Travis
    • Replies: @Ed
    Protestants still went to church & held sway. Blacks were on board but at any rate weren't much of a voting factor.

    Today with so many vested in immigration and the elite almost uniform in its greatness it'll be hard to stop.
  25. It’s funny how it’s fine when GOP apparatchiks say that Obama is un-American but when Trump says it suddenly they need to wail and gnash their teeth. If nothing else this cycle has confirmed just how without principle they all are.

  26. The great sin was not shutting down immigration from the Middle East after 9/11.

    Any halfway competent president would have done it, and it wouldn’t have even required congressional approval.

    Bush was quite possibly the worst president in American history.

  27. @Steve Sailer
    Bigger than Puerto Rican nationalist terrorism.

    Could Sacco and Vanzetti be called “forgotten”?

    • Replies: @guest
    "Could Sacco and Vanzetti be called 'forgotten'?"

    No, they live yet in the popular consciousness. They fall somewhere between the mostly forgotten Leo Frank and the perennial criminal cause celebres like Leopold and Loeb. Granted, all people remember is that they're Italians and "anarchists," whatever that meant (socialists, that's what), and that people were mean to anarchists and Italians back then.
  28. The big difference between then and now is the contemporary elite does not give a damn about the opinion of the American majority.

  29. The difference today is that the Muslim Terminator wasn’t murdering elites like immigrant anarchists were a hundred odd years ago.

    What are a bunch of Latino queers to our elites? It isn’t like their deaths really matter

    Broken eggs and make multicultural omelets, right?

    Of course, the next people on the target list are probably higher up Democrat functionaries who are getting in the way of Muslim things. When they start getting terminated then we’ll see some real screeching and pant-hooting.

    Also, lest we forget, the American Legion was actively fighting these earlier immigrants on the streets in real, honest-to-goodness gun battles. Can anyone imagine patriotic American veterans getting away with that kind of resistance today?

    • Replies: @Das
    "The difference today is that the Muslim Terminator wasn’t murdering elites like immigrant anarchists were a hundred odd years ago."

    Since 9/11, Islamic terror has mostly struck a bunch of low-rent nowheresvilles like San Bernardino and Orlando. So your point stands.

    But on 9/11, they hit the most elite of elite zip codes. There was overwhelming political will to fix the problem. Bush could have signed an executive order shutting down MENA immigration in a week.

    Instead he pranced around with Saudis, lecturing us about the "Religion of Peace," and invading secular Arab nations.
    , @Bill B.
    The Dilbert man did a thought experiment last December on how many terrorism deaths would be acceptable as the cost of being good, clean liberals:

    The odds of a Muslim immigrant being a terrorist or a terrorist sympathizer is probably far lower than 1%, assuming we’re good at screening. I don’t know the exact odds, and neither do you, because it depends on how hard ISIS is trying to infiltrate in that particular way. If they are trying hard, one assumes the number is higher than if they are not trying. But the bottom line is that we don’t know.

    I propose that instead of calling fellow citizens racists or idiots we do a deeper dive into the risks and put a price tag on our preference for religious intolerance. If the risk of future terror attacks is tiny, most of us would prefer maintaining our respect for religious differences.

    But if the risk is more than tiny, can you put a price on your love of religious tolerance? In other words, how many dead Americans are you willing to accept? I’ll go first.

    Personally, I would accept up to 1,000 dead Americans, over a ten-year period, to allow Muslim non-citizens to enter this country. My calculation assumes we are better off accepting some degree of tragedy in the name of freedom. That is often the case with freedom.
     

  30. Ed says:

    I don’t know I’m feeling kind of down. I don’t think Trump can win, making many unforced errors. White women just won’t be able to overlook his delivery in sufficient numbers for him to win.

    Our country down the tubes because someone that is right isn’t refined enough. It’s depressing. More Muslims, more Mexicans,more suspension of facts & more chaos.

    • Agree: RamonaQ
    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    America deserves the result, either way, in November. The choice couldn't be starker. More Omars and less freedom, or fewer Omars and more freedom.
    , @anonymous
    Ed, it's way early for Trump's doubters to assume defeat.

    Check the poll data. It's the same old democrat game: the polls are more grossly biased (with sample skew) months before the election to try to build Inevitability! and then in the final month the poll removes the skew to salvage their reputation.

    Trump is doing great. Lindsey, Mitt, Paul & Mitch are all losing the war. Neoconservatism's last gasp is to try to convince us that Trump is a loser. Pfffft...
    , @RamonaQ
    Yeah, it's been a really depressing couple of days. He gave the speech of his life yesterday but I don't think the public is ready for it and when they will be, it'll be too late.
    , @Amasius
    I'm feeling pretty down too. Latest poll has the Evil One beating Trump 49-37. Too many simply don't care about justice, fairness, or the truth in this country. Supposedly even with White men he's only pulling 58%. You can't save people who won't save themselves, those who would rather signal than live.

    Like George Carlin's dog Tippy: "Poor Tippy was full of guilt. So much so, in fact, she's the only dog I ever had who committed suicide. Yeah, well, we don't say it like that around the house. We say she put herself to sleep. But she ran out in front of a milk truck. That's f***ing suicide! But that was her decision. That's what Tippy wanted to do. And that's the way it is in our family. If you want to commit suicide, we back you up. So we supported Tippy in her little suicide decision..."

    The White race is pulling a Tippy.
  31. @Ivy
    One benefit of the 1920s immigration restrictions was that there was a lower Bolshevik influence. It wasn't eliminated, but it could've been much worse than what the country went through in the following decades.

    Protestants still went to church & held sway. Blacks were on board but at any rate weren’t much of a voting factor.

    Today with so many vested in immigration and the elite almost uniform in its greatness it’ll be hard to stop.

    • Replies: @Ivy
    Each generation tries to tell the kids about what happened and what has been lost. Our kids got an earful about their forbears and how we and they got here. If we didn't, they sure wouldn't hear it in the popular culture. The atomization of life has accelerated and it takes more effort to retain and communicate some sense of the continuity and value. All those Sundays mean something even if not immediately apparent.
  32. obama believes in a high threshold for “acceptable loss” with regards to American lives as a result of muslim immigration. hillary is the same and wants to be another merkel.

  33. Too late to add this to your column?

  34. Das says:
    @Bill P
    The difference today is that the Muslim Terminator wasn't murdering elites like immigrant anarchists were a hundred odd years ago.

    What are a bunch of Latino queers to our elites? It isn't like their deaths really matter...

    Broken eggs and make multicultural omelets, right?

    Of course, the next people on the target list are probably higher up Democrat functionaries who are getting in the way of Muslim things. When they start getting terminated then we'll see some real screeching and pant-hooting.

    Also, lest we forget, the American Legion was actively fighting these earlier immigrants on the streets in real, honest-to-goodness gun battles. Can anyone imagine patriotic American veterans getting away with that kind of resistance today?

    “The difference today is that the Muslim Terminator wasn’t murdering elites like immigrant anarchists were a hundred odd years ago.”

    Since 9/11, Islamic terror has mostly struck a bunch of low-rent nowheresvilles like San Bernardino and Orlando. So your point stands.

    But on 9/11, they hit the most elite of elite zip codes. There was overwhelming political will to fix the problem. Bush could have signed an executive order shutting down MENA immigration in a week.

    Instead he pranced around with Saudis, lecturing us about the “Religion of Peace,” and invading secular Arab nations.

    • Replies: @BB753
    Indeed, the Saudis won the "War on Terror" before it even started, as Bush II gave in to all their terms. 9/11 and petrodollars is all it took.
    Instead of invading and deposing the despicable Saudi Cheiks, the USA went on to attack Saudi Arabia's enemies one by one during the next decade and a half.
    , @Jefferson
    "Since 9/11, Islamic terror has mostly struck a bunch of low-rent nowheresvilles like San Bernardino and Orlando. So your point stands."

    Orlando is not nowheresville. It has an international airport that has direct flights to Europe and Latin America.
    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/tourism/os-visit-orlando-2015-tourist-numbers-20160502-story.html

    Over 66 million tourists vacationed in Orlando in 2015. Comparing Orlando to San Bernardino is comparing apples to oranges.

    Who the hell vacations in San Bernardino? You only go to San Bernardino if you want to score some good heroin or crystal meth.
  35. @Ed
    I don't know I'm feeling kind of down. I don't think Trump can win, making many unforced errors. White women just won't be able to overlook his delivery in sufficient numbers for him to win.

    Our country down the tubes because someone that is right isn't refined enough. It's depressing. More Muslims, more Mexicans,more suspension of facts & more chaos.

    America deserves the result, either way, in November. The choice couldn’t be starker. More Omars and less freedom, or fewer Omars and more freedom.

    • Agree: Travis
    • Replies: @Ed
    Very true 20 years from now the lemmings won't be able to say they didn't have a choice or didn't know.

    If nothing else Trump has given voters a clarifying choice as to the direction of the country.
    , @Gh
    You're so confident Trump is going to increase our freedoms?

    It's almost like you forgot who Trump is, and had been - in public - for 50 years because he figured out the right things to say based on common sense and polls in order to win an election.

    Steve remembers who Trump is but lots of you seem to have forgotten.

    P.S. You're Fired.
  36. @Dave Pinsen
    America deserves the result, either way, in November. The choice couldn't be starker. More Omars and less freedom, or fewer Omars and more freedom.

    Very true 20 years from now the lemmings won’t be able to say they didn’t have a choice or didn’t know.

    If nothing else Trump has given voters a clarifying choice as to the direction of the country.

  37. Ivy says:
    @Ed
    Protestants still went to church & held sway. Blacks were on board but at any rate weren't much of a voting factor.

    Today with so many vested in immigration and the elite almost uniform in its greatness it'll be hard to stop.

    Each generation tries to tell the kids about what happened and what has been lost. Our kids got an earful about their forbears and how we and they got here. If we didn’t, they sure wouldn’t hear it in the popular culture. The atomization of life has accelerated and it takes more effort to retain and communicate some sense of the continuity and value. All those Sundays mean something even if not immediately apparent.

  38. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Ed
    I don't know I'm feeling kind of down. I don't think Trump can win, making many unforced errors. White women just won't be able to overlook his delivery in sufficient numbers for him to win.

    Our country down the tubes because someone that is right isn't refined enough. It's depressing. More Muslims, more Mexicans,more suspension of facts & more chaos.

    Ed, it’s way early for Trump’s doubters to assume defeat.

    Check the poll data. It’s the same old democrat game: the polls are more grossly biased (with sample skew) months before the election to try to build Inevitability! and then in the final month the poll removes the skew to salvage their reputation.

    Trump is doing great. Lindsey, Mitt, Paul & Mitch are all losing the war. Neoconservatism’s last gasp is to try to convince us that Trump is a loser. Pfffft…

  39. I know that when a Middle Easterner kills a group of Latino gays, it is the fault of one group:

    Straight White Men.

    The bastards.

  40. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2016/06/14/inside-the-hate-filled-mind-of-a-mass-murderer/

    Carter, who was among several patrons Mateen held hostage after they’d tried to take refuge in a club bathroom, told a news conference Tuesday that Mateen asked if there were any African Americans in the bathroom. When one man answered yes, “the gunman responded back to him saying, ‘You know, I don’t have a problem with black people. This is about my country. You guys have suffered enough.’ “

    Oh, wow, even mass murdering fanatics/self-loathing homosexuals want to make sure they don’t come off as racists… in the middle of the rampage!

    • Replies: @vinteuil
    "That Post article is really just awe-inspiringly idiotic. The Pulitzer-Prize winning "reporter" (aptly named A. Nutt) begins by asking "what can science tell us" about Mateen's motivations...she then interviews a "social psychologist" (God help us all) who delivers herself of the profound insight that "hate of other people is really displaced hate of oneself." From this it follows that when Donald Trump says mean things about Muslims, it adds to their self-hatred, which then turns into hatred of others, leading to terrorist killing sprees. Or something like that. SCIENCE! Where would we be without it?
    , @Jefferson
    "Oh, wow, even mass murdering fanatics/self-loathing homosexuals want to make sure they don’t come off as racists… in the middle of the rampage!"

    Racism is worst than murder according to the Left. Hence why in Chicago for example, Blacks are more scared of nooses on college campuses than they are of urban inner city killings.
  41. Gh says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    America deserves the result, either way, in November. The choice couldn't be starker. More Omars and less freedom, or fewer Omars and more freedom.

    You’re so confident Trump is going to increase our freedoms?

    It’s almost like you forgot who Trump is, and had been – in public – for 50 years because he figured out the right things to say based on common sense and polls in order to win an election.

    Steve remembers who Trump is but lots of you seem to have forgotten.

    P.S. You’re Fired.

    • Replies: @Travis
    our freedoms are more at risk with 18 million muslims than the current 9 million. Since 2001 the muslim population in America has doubled. Hillary will help double muslim immigration if she gets 8 years in power. It will twice as difficult to integrate the muslim immigrants when they will be treated as a special caste, like hispanics. This will occur as their numbers rise.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    I'm from North Jersey. Trump's been a household name here since the 1980s. Nothing he's done in his career makes me think we'd have fewer freedoms under him than Hillary.

    Take a moment, though, to appreciate the service Trump has provided already:

    1) He's pointed out that our wars this century have been costly disasters that achieved nothing for us. That's revolutionary. GOPs had continued to carry water for W's Iraq Attaq, and even Dems like Obama claimed that the problem with Iraq was that it distracted us from the "real war" in Afghanistan, which has also been a costly disaster.

    2) He has argued that any immigration should be in our national interest. Again, an obvious point to the Steve-o-Sphere, but a revolutionary idea in American politics.

    3) He has question the benefit to us of persistent trade deficits. Another obvious point, except to the columnists at the WSJ, Economist, NYT, and FT. This is similar to immigration in the sense that status quo elites aren't even trying hard to argue it's in America's benefit anymore; instead they resort to vagaries like warning about American "leadership". They aren't starting from the premise that American policy should benefit America.

    They say that science advances one funeral at a time. You could say politics advances one political funeral at a time. Jeb Bush is still alive, but his political career is dead as a doorknob thanks to Trump.

    Even if Trump doesn't win, he's given the GOP a much needed enema, and severed the anchor of W.'s legacy in a way other candidates couldn't. He deserves gratitude for all of this.

    , @guest
    "the right things to say based on common sense and polls in order to win an election"

    Funny how countless professional politicians completely missed the obvious. Must be that Trump was ahead of the curve because...he wants to steal more freedoms than they do? I can't follow your argument.
  42. @Bill P
    The difference today is that the Muslim Terminator wasn't murdering elites like immigrant anarchists were a hundred odd years ago.

    What are a bunch of Latino queers to our elites? It isn't like their deaths really matter...

    Broken eggs and make multicultural omelets, right?

    Of course, the next people on the target list are probably higher up Democrat functionaries who are getting in the way of Muslim things. When they start getting terminated then we'll see some real screeching and pant-hooting.

    Also, lest we forget, the American Legion was actively fighting these earlier immigrants on the streets in real, honest-to-goodness gun battles. Can anyone imagine patriotic American veterans getting away with that kind of resistance today?

    The Dilbert man did a thought experiment last December on how many terrorism deaths would be acceptable as the cost of being good, clean liberals:

    The odds of a Muslim immigrant being a terrorist or a terrorist sympathizer is probably far lower than 1%, assuming we’re good at screening. I don’t know the exact odds, and neither do you, because it depends on how hard ISIS is trying to infiltrate in that particular way. If they are trying hard, one assumes the number is higher than if they are not trying. But the bottom line is that we don’t know.

    I propose that instead of calling fellow citizens racists or idiots we do a deeper dive into the risks and put a price tag on our preference for religious intolerance. If the risk of future terror attacks is tiny, most of us would prefer maintaining our respect for religious differences.

    But if the risk is more than tiny, can you put a price on your love of religious tolerance? In other words, how many dead Americans are you willing to accept? I’ll go first.

    Personally, I would accept up to 1,000 dead Americans, over a ten-year period, to allow Muslim non-citizens to enter this country. My calculation assumes we are better off accepting some degree of tragedy in the name of freedom. That is often the case with freedom.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Quick, without searching the Internet: name 5 Muslim immigrants who have made America better off.
  43. @Ed
    I don't know I'm feeling kind of down. I don't think Trump can win, making many unforced errors. White women just won't be able to overlook his delivery in sufficient numbers for him to win.

    Our country down the tubes because someone that is right isn't refined enough. It's depressing. More Muslims, more Mexicans,more suspension of facts & more chaos.

    Yeah, it’s been a really depressing couple of days. He gave the speech of his life yesterday but I don’t think the public is ready for it and when they will be, it’ll be too late.

  44. @Ed
    I don't know I'm feeling kind of down. I don't think Trump can win, making many unforced errors. White women just won't be able to overlook his delivery in sufficient numbers for him to win.

    Our country down the tubes because someone that is right isn't refined enough. It's depressing. More Muslims, more Mexicans,more suspension of facts & more chaos.

    I’m feeling pretty down too. Latest poll has the Evil One beating Trump 49-37. Too many simply don’t care about justice, fairness, or the truth in this country. Supposedly even with White men he’s only pulling 58%. You can’t save people who won’t save themselves, those who would rather signal than live.

    Like George Carlin’s dog Tippy: “Poor Tippy was full of guilt. So much so, in fact, she’s the only dog I ever had who committed suicide. Yeah, well, we don’t say it like that around the house. We say she put herself to sleep. But she ran out in front of a milk truck. That’s f***ing suicide! But that was her decision. That’s what Tippy wanted to do. And that’s the way it is in our family. If you want to commit suicide, we back you up. So we supported Tippy in her little suicide decision…”

    The White race is pulling a Tippy.

  45. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Steve, the official story on the gay Muslim maniac in Orlando is predictably coming unraveled.

    Cops say 202 shots TOTAL!!! That includes police firing and shots into the ceiling and other junk shots.

    @cernovich is on the case.

    So do the math: 49 dead and 50+ wounded from 202 shots and several victims shot multiple times.

    Last night I speculated that Mr Maniac did not bring into the building the large amount of ammo required to kill 50 and wound 50 in the dark with targets running/moving/hiding.

    This does not add up. Especially since the maniac just bought the rifle! But magically he implemented the firearm with near perfect results under the extreme duress of moving targets in a darkened disco.

    I speculated that the noob with the auto rifle would need 1000 rounds minimum to get the carnage of 100 victims in the dark. But there are wrinkles: 1 it was not an AR15. 2 We don’t know if he was firing full auto. 3 We don’t his rifle experience. 4 He also had a pistol.

    All that being said: I feel comfortable claiming he was a jerk with no firearms expertise. Let alone combat experience. Therefore no way he did all of this damage by himself.

  46. More on Orlando Massacre bs story:

    Multiple shooters with rifles using the legal semi-auto 3-shot burst mode of firing will sound a lot like a single full automatic machine gun firing—- to non-experts.

    This is probably the source of the “machine gun fire” witness reports.

    • Replies: @Charlesz Martel
    Burst-mode is legally full-auto and is therefore illegal.
    (Without proper paperwork which he didn't have and couldn't get for
    a post 86 gun).
  47. Italian anarchists..

    • Replies: @Foreign Expert
    Anarchists? People who set off bombs in seven cities are terrorists.
  48. Steve: OT but wondering whether the initial prominence of hooligan violence at the European Championship soccer tournament could be connected in any way to a revival in nationalism in Europe. The Russia-England clashes were between two European countries with an upsurge in nationalism – retake Crimea and Brexit. I recall that you have drawn the connection between soccer supporters as a vague unoficial paramilitary force. This summer seems like a time where this connection may become more overt.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    I've read that the Russians are actually military or other security types in their day jobs.
  49. @Steve Sailer
    Bigger than Puerto Rican nationalist terrorism.

    Bigger than Puerto Rican nationalist terrorism

    We’d be so much better off today if we had caved in to those Puerto Rican terrorists.

  50. @nero
    Italian anarchists..

    Anarchists? People who set off bombs in seven cities are terrorists.

  51. @Gh
    You're so confident Trump is going to increase our freedoms?

    It's almost like you forgot who Trump is, and had been - in public - for 50 years because he figured out the right things to say based on common sense and polls in order to win an election.

    Steve remembers who Trump is but lots of you seem to have forgotten.

    P.S. You're Fired.

    our freedoms are more at risk with 18 million muslims than the current 9 million. Since 2001 the muslim population in America has doubled. Hillary will help double muslim immigration if she gets 8 years in power. It will twice as difficult to integrate the muslim immigrants when they will be treated as a special caste, like hispanics. This will occur as their numbers rise.

  52. @Twinkie
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2016/06/14/inside-the-hate-filled-mind-of-a-mass-murderer/

    Carter, who was among several patrons Mateen held hostage after they'd tried to take refuge in a club bathroom, told a news conference Tuesday that Mateen asked if there were any African Americans in the bathroom. When one man answered yes, "the gunman responded back to him saying, 'You know, I don't have a problem with black people. This is about my country. You guys have suffered enough.' "
     
    Oh, wow, even mass murdering fanatics/self-loathing homosexuals want to make sure they don't come off as racists... in the middle of the rampage!

    “That Post article is really just awe-inspiringly idiotic. The Pulitzer-Prize winning “reporter” (aptly named A. Nutt) begins by asking “what can science tell us” about Mateen’s motivations…she then interviews a “social psychologist” (God help us all) who delivers herself of the profound insight that “hate of other people is really displaced hate of oneself.” From this it follows that when Donald Trump says mean things about Muslims, it adds to their self-hatred, which then turns into hatred of others, leading to terrorist killing sprees. Or something like that. SCIENCE! Where would we be without it?

  53. Nice tease! Too bad the Taki Mag link is bad: http://www.takimag.com

  54. @Gh
    You're so confident Trump is going to increase our freedoms?

    It's almost like you forgot who Trump is, and had been - in public - for 50 years because he figured out the right things to say based on common sense and polls in order to win an election.

    Steve remembers who Trump is but lots of you seem to have forgotten.

    P.S. You're Fired.

    I’m from North Jersey. Trump’s been a household name here since the 1980s. Nothing he’s done in his career makes me think we’d have fewer freedoms under him than Hillary.

    Take a moment, though, to appreciate the service Trump has provided already:

    1) He’s pointed out that our wars this century have been costly disasters that achieved nothing for us. That’s revolutionary. GOPs had continued to carry water for W’s Iraq Attaq, and even Dems like Obama claimed that the problem with Iraq was that it distracted us from the “real war” in Afghanistan, which has also been a costly disaster.

    2) He has argued that any immigration should be in our national interest. Again, an obvious point to the Steve-o-Sphere, but a revolutionary idea in American politics.

    3) He has question the benefit to us of persistent trade deficits. Another obvious point, except to the columnists at the WSJ, Economist, NYT, and FT. This is similar to immigration in the sense that status quo elites aren’t even trying hard to argue it’s in America’s benefit anymore; instead they resort to vagaries like warning about American “leadership”. They aren’t starting from the premise that American policy should benefit America.

    They say that science advances one funeral at a time. You could say politics advances one political funeral at a time. Jeb Bush is still alive, but his political career is dead as a doorknob thanks to Trump.

    Even if Trump doesn’t win, he’s given the GOP a much needed enema, and severed the anchor of W.’s legacy in a way other candidates couldn’t. He deserves gratitude for all of this.

    • Replies: @DCThrowback
    If Trump succeeds, there will be statues built to honor him imo. (Could've been you, Ron Paul.)
  55. Seriously bad news — the smartest (formerly) active Trumpian blog, the Journal of American Greatness, has not only stopped publishing but has actually wiped their entire site: http://journalofamericangreatness.blogspot.com/

    You have to wonder what happened; I’m guessing either someone doxxed and blackmailed them, or they were neocons acing the Ideological Turing Test (although I don’t know which ones could pull it off — maybe David Frum).

  56. @Bill B.
    The Dilbert man did a thought experiment last December on how many terrorism deaths would be acceptable as the cost of being good, clean liberals:

    The odds of a Muslim immigrant being a terrorist or a terrorist sympathizer is probably far lower than 1%, assuming we’re good at screening. I don’t know the exact odds, and neither do you, because it depends on how hard ISIS is trying to infiltrate in that particular way. If they are trying hard, one assumes the number is higher than if they are not trying. But the bottom line is that we don’t know.

    I propose that instead of calling fellow citizens racists or idiots we do a deeper dive into the risks and put a price tag on our preference for religious intolerance. If the risk of future terror attacks is tiny, most of us would prefer maintaining our respect for religious differences.

    But if the risk is more than tiny, can you put a price on your love of religious tolerance? In other words, how many dead Americans are you willing to accept? I’ll go first.

    Personally, I would accept up to 1,000 dead Americans, over a ten-year period, to allow Muslim non-citizens to enter this country. My calculation assumes we are better off accepting some degree of tragedy in the name of freedom. That is often the case with freedom.
     

    Quick, without searching the Internet: name 5 Muslim immigrants who have made America better off.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    Steve Jobs' dad, [PIMCO billionaire] Mohammed El-Erian, the family of Persian surgeons I'm friendly with.

    (But yes, their overall track record has been rather lacking).
  57. @SnakeEyes
    Steve: OT but wondering whether the initial prominence of hooligan violence at the European Championship soccer tournament could be connected in any way to a revival in nationalism in Europe. The Russia-England clashes were between two European countries with an upsurge in nationalism - retake Crimea and Brexit. I recall that you have drawn the connection between soccer supporters as a vague unoficial paramilitary force. This summer seems like a time where this connection may become more overt.

    I’ve read that the Russians are actually military or other security types in their day jobs.

  58. @Dave Pinsen
    Quick, without searching the Internet: name 5 Muslim immigrants who have made America better off.

    Steve Jobs’ dad, [PIMCO billionaire] Mohammed El-Erian, the family of Persian surgeons I’m friendly with.

    (But yes, their overall track record has been rather lacking).

  59. @Das
    "The difference today is that the Muslim Terminator wasn’t murdering elites like immigrant anarchists were a hundred odd years ago."

    Since 9/11, Islamic terror has mostly struck a bunch of low-rent nowheresvilles like San Bernardino and Orlando. So your point stands.

    But on 9/11, they hit the most elite of elite zip codes. There was overwhelming political will to fix the problem. Bush could have signed an executive order shutting down MENA immigration in a week.

    Instead he pranced around with Saudis, lecturing us about the "Religion of Peace," and invading secular Arab nations.

    Indeed, the Saudis won the “War on Terror” before it even started, as Bush II gave in to all their terms. 9/11 and petrodollars is all it took.
    Instead of invading and deposing the despicable Saudi Cheiks, the USA went on to attack Saudi Arabia’s enemies one by one during the next decade and a half.

  60. @Njguy73
    Could Sacco and Vanzetti be called "forgotten"?

    “Could Sacco and Vanzetti be called ‘forgotten’?”

    No, they live yet in the popular consciousness. They fall somewhere between the mostly forgotten Leo Frank and the perennial criminal cause celebres like Leopold and Loeb. Granted, all people remember is that they’re Italians and “anarchists,” whatever that meant (socialists, that’s what), and that people were mean to anarchists and Italians back then.

  61. The link is up.

    Too late for an immigration moratorium. Whites are a minority of those under 18. The foreigners will not assimilate to Western culture. I expect you’ve noticed, for example, that young Armenians tend to adopt Mexican ways rather than become Americans. “Citizenism” won’t work again, particularly when the Powers That Be don’t want it to.

  62. @Gh
    You're so confident Trump is going to increase our freedoms?

    It's almost like you forgot who Trump is, and had been - in public - for 50 years because he figured out the right things to say based on common sense and polls in order to win an election.

    Steve remembers who Trump is but lots of you seem to have forgotten.

    P.S. You're Fired.

    “the right things to say based on common sense and polls in order to win an election”

    Funny how countless professional politicians completely missed the obvious. Must be that Trump was ahead of the curve because…he wants to steal more freedoms than they do? I can’t follow your argument.

  63. @donut
    You used car salesman we all know about your Taki's columns you f**kwit . Do you have any patent medicine cures for sale ? Your rabbit had more guts and integrity than you do .

    “Your rabbit had more guts and integrity than you do”.
    Leave Steve’s rabbit be!!

  64. @Dave Pinsen
    I'm from North Jersey. Trump's been a household name here since the 1980s. Nothing he's done in his career makes me think we'd have fewer freedoms under him than Hillary.

    Take a moment, though, to appreciate the service Trump has provided already:

    1) He's pointed out that our wars this century have been costly disasters that achieved nothing for us. That's revolutionary. GOPs had continued to carry water for W's Iraq Attaq, and even Dems like Obama claimed that the problem with Iraq was that it distracted us from the "real war" in Afghanistan, which has also been a costly disaster.

    2) He has argued that any immigration should be in our national interest. Again, an obvious point to the Steve-o-Sphere, but a revolutionary idea in American politics.

    3) He has question the benefit to us of persistent trade deficits. Another obvious point, except to the columnists at the WSJ, Economist, NYT, and FT. This is similar to immigration in the sense that status quo elites aren't even trying hard to argue it's in America's benefit anymore; instead they resort to vagaries like warning about American "leadership". They aren't starting from the premise that American policy should benefit America.

    They say that science advances one funeral at a time. You could say politics advances one political funeral at a time. Jeb Bush is still alive, but his political career is dead as a doorknob thanks to Trump.

    Even if Trump doesn't win, he's given the GOP a much needed enema, and severed the anchor of W.'s legacy in a way other candidates couldn't. He deserves gratitude for all of this.

    If Trump succeeds, there will be statues built to honor him imo. (Could’ve been you, Ron Paul.)

  65. Clinton was at plus double digits vs Trump a couple months ago. Now she’s +3, +4, +5. That’s good news for Trump, not Clinton. Not that national polls are particularly relevant to the election.

    Check the poll data. It’s the same old democrat game: the polls are more grossly biased (with sample skew) months before the election to try to build Inevitability! and then in the final month the poll removes the skew to salvage their reputation.

    If you’re right, then Trump is gonna clobber cankles, because she can barely eke out a MoE advantage in the polls as it is, less than five months out.

    It’s funny how it’s fine when GOP apparatchiks say that Obama is un-American but when Trump says it suddenly they need to wail and gnash their teeth. If nothing else this cycle has confirmed just how without principle they all are.

    It’s crazy how treacherous the GOPe is. RINO spawn like Megan McCain devote far more time to spewing venom at Trump than they ever have at Hussein.

    Can anyone imagine patriotic American veterans getting away with that kind of resistance today?

    Now there’s a man who knows how to frame a question. Too many today would put the blame on the vets.

    I’m feeling pretty down too. Latest poll has the Evil One beating Trump 49-37.

    You’re probably addicted to feeling down, what with citing the huge outlier (+12 Bloomberg poll) and ignoring the rest (+5, +3, etc.).

    The White race is pulling a Tippy.

    More like white America is strapped into a gurney and pumped full of drugs, blinking and trying to get a good look through the haze at Dr. Feelgood with the needle…

    anonymous says:
    June 15, 2016 at 5:21 am GMT • 200 Words

    You’re a nitwit.

    anonymous says:
    June 15, 2016 at 5:30 am GMT

    K you’re half a nitwit. I heard the audio, it was a regular sound pattern, as from a single burst from a single weapon. Bump fire is common.

    • Replies: @res

    Clinton was at plus double digits vs Trump a couple months ago. Now she’s +3, +4, +5. That’s good news for Trump, not Clinton. Not that national polls are particularly relevant to the election.
     
    That is true, but you are ignoring the period of near parity in between. The recent trend for Trump is disturbing (see http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html ), but the lack of a corresponding rise in Clinton's numbers makes me suspicious.
  66. res says:
    @Svigor
    Clinton was at plus double digits vs Trump a couple months ago. Now she's +3, +4, +5. That's good news for Trump, not Clinton. Not that national polls are particularly relevant to the election.

    Check the poll data. It’s the same old democrat game: the polls are more grossly biased (with sample skew) months before the election to try to build Inevitability! and then in the final month the poll removes the skew to salvage their reputation.
     
    If you're right, then Trump is gonna clobber cankles, because she can barely eke out a MoE advantage in the polls as it is, less than five months out.

    It’s funny how it’s fine when GOP apparatchiks say that Obama is un-American but when Trump says it suddenly they need to wail and gnash their teeth. If nothing else this cycle has confirmed just how without principle they all are.
     
    It's crazy how treacherous the GOPe is. RINO spawn like Megan McCain devote far more time to spewing venom at Trump than they ever have at Hussein.

    Can anyone imagine patriotic American veterans getting away with that kind of resistance today?
     
    Now there's a man who knows how to frame a question. Too many today would put the blame on the vets.

    I’m feeling pretty down too. Latest poll has the Evil One beating Trump 49-37.
     
    You're probably addicted to feeling down, what with citing the huge outlier (+12 Bloomberg poll) and ignoring the rest (+5, +3, etc.).

    The White race is pulling a Tippy.
     
    More like white America is strapped into a gurney and pumped full of drugs, blinking and trying to get a good look through the haze at Dr. Feelgood with the needle...

    anonymous says:
    June 15, 2016 at 5:21 am GMT • 200 Words
     
    You're a nitwit.

    anonymous says:
    June 15, 2016 at 5:30 am GMT
     
    K you're half a nitwit. I heard the audio, it was a regular sound pattern, as from a single burst from a single weapon. Bump fire is common.

    Clinton was at plus double digits vs Trump a couple months ago. Now she’s +3, +4, +5. That’s good news for Trump, not Clinton. Not that national polls are particularly relevant to the election.

    That is true, but you are ignoring the period of near parity in between. The recent trend for Trump is disturbing (see http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html ), but the lack of a corresponding rise in Clinton’s numbers makes me suspicious.

  67. @anonymous
    More on Orlando Massacre bs story:

    Multiple shooters with rifles using the legal semi-auto 3-shot burst mode of firing will sound a lot like a single full automatic machine gun firing---- to non-experts.

    This is probably the source of the "machine gun fire" witness reports.

    Burst-mode is legally full-auto and is therefore illegal.
    (Without proper paperwork which he didn’t have and couldn’t get for
    a post 86 gun).

  68. @Twinkie
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2016/06/14/inside-the-hate-filled-mind-of-a-mass-murderer/

    Carter, who was among several patrons Mateen held hostage after they'd tried to take refuge in a club bathroom, told a news conference Tuesday that Mateen asked if there were any African Americans in the bathroom. When one man answered yes, "the gunman responded back to him saying, 'You know, I don't have a problem with black people. This is about my country. You guys have suffered enough.' "
     
    Oh, wow, even mass murdering fanatics/self-loathing homosexuals want to make sure they don't come off as racists... in the middle of the rampage!

    “Oh, wow, even mass murdering fanatics/self-loathing homosexuals want to make sure they don’t come off as racists… in the middle of the rampage!”

    Racism is worst than murder according to the Left. Hence why in Chicago for example, Blacks are more scared of nooses on college campuses than they are of urban inner city killings.

  69. @Das
    "The difference today is that the Muslim Terminator wasn’t murdering elites like immigrant anarchists were a hundred odd years ago."

    Since 9/11, Islamic terror has mostly struck a bunch of low-rent nowheresvilles like San Bernardino and Orlando. So your point stands.

    But on 9/11, they hit the most elite of elite zip codes. There was overwhelming political will to fix the problem. Bush could have signed an executive order shutting down MENA immigration in a week.

    Instead he pranced around with Saudis, lecturing us about the "Religion of Peace," and invading secular Arab nations.

    “Since 9/11, Islamic terror has mostly struck a bunch of low-rent nowheresvilles like San Bernardino and Orlando. So your point stands.”

    Orlando is not nowheresville. It has an international airport that has direct flights to Europe and Latin America.
    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/tourism/os-visit-orlando-2015-tourist-numbers-20160502-story.html

    Over 66 million tourists vacationed in Orlando in 2015. Comparing Orlando to San Bernardino is comparing apples to oranges.

    Who the hell vacations in San Bernardino? You only go to San Bernardino if you want to score some good heroin or crystal meth.

  70. So, the Russian security services hacked into the DNC’s servers, stole their opposition research on Trump, and leaked it to the free press the next day. Guess Ivan is on Team Trump.

    http://gawker.com/this-looks-like-the-dncs-hacked-trump-oppo-file-1782040426

  71. That is true, but you are ignoring the period of near parity in between. The recent trend for Trump is disturbing

    Yeah, I figure that was the recent media blitz against Trump for calling the racist Mexican judge a racist, etc. There’s always a lag. Soon Trump’s “OMG now I remember, Muslims really do suck” boost will show up.

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