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Actor James Franco is being denounced for playing Fidel Castro while white.

But would Franco’s Portuguese grandpa qualify Franco for affirmative action under existing U.S. rules and regulations?

David E. Bernstein’s instructive new book Classified: The Untold Story of Racial Classification in America, which I review in Taki’s Magazine, can answer this and many other puzzlers about just who can qualify to get their noses in the racial/ethnic quota trough.

Is the Pope Hispanic?
Steve Sailer

August 10, 2022

Over the last half-century, America has concocted countless affirmative-action programs in government, academia, the military, and business, with many new ones hastily ginned up just since George Floyd’s demise.

But the bureaucratic details of how they work (or don’t work) tend to be kept rather secret from the public. After all, the less the victims of racial quotas hear about them, the less they will think about them.

Hence, there tend to be more urban legends than facts readily available on who exactly qualifies for which racial and ethnic preferences, and what boxes you could check on your application to gain an edge. Law professor David E. Bernstein’s instructive new book Classified: The Untold Story of Racial Classification in America recounts dozens of cases of audacious individuals who pushed the envelope to get the government’s thumb on the scale in their favor, often to the befuddlement of bureaucrats and judges.

Read the whole thing there.

 
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  1. The link goes to your twitter, not Takimag.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Ralph L


    https://www.takimag.com/article/is-the-pope-hispanic/
     
    The Taki link, if anyone cares.

    I find Twitter just annoying. I get the "marketplace of ideas" thing. But the tiny bits, chopped multiple posts for anything explanatory, crappy interface for actual discussion and then the incessant bleat to login or create an account. No thanks.

    Let's have a better idea marketplace.

    Replies: @CCG

  2. Frankly, it’s shocking that Twitter allows links to TakiMag.

  3. You have to admit, it is funny watching someone of obvious European genetics claim to be metzio.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Redneck farmer


    You have to admit, it is funny watching someone of obvious European genetics claim to be metzio.
     
    That takes some (((balls))), doesn't it?


    https://www.myjewishlearning.com/wp-content/uploads/2003/04/SOUP.jpg
  4. Yes, White people have been “strikingly honest”. We are strikingly honest in all sorts of ways as compared to all other check-boxes of people. I was taught (by example) to be, and try to be honest in dealings with people. The thing is, Steve, Governments are NOT people.

    One has no obligation to be honest with a government that is doing its best to pound you and your people into the ground! In fact, under this oppressive system, you have a duty not to be. It’s amazing that people have put up with this obviously unfair, unConstitutional system for over half a century now, when the only “rational master plan” since the overturning of the Right to Association has been for a colorblind system. (I guess judging by character didn’t work out, and too many kids got beat up in school to continue like that…)

    I’m sure that Mr. Bernstein’s book is entertaining, and I might even pick it up as a how-to book (and how NOT-to). I’ll fight the oppression any way that works, and that’s not just AA, either.

    BTW, both the links on this post (in The Unz Review, that is) go to some tweet. I just went straight to Takimag.com. Also in para. 5 “… things just sort of growed from there.”. Ha! And you used “Oriental” to distinguish from •Indian. Thank you!

    • Agree: Adam Smith, Pop Warner
    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    @Achmed E. Newman

    One has no obligation to be honest with a government that is doing its best to pound you and your people into the ground!

    But it’s our fucking government, it is our own fault if we have let it it fall under the control of grifters and racial activists.

    One of the most harmful things to come out of Reaganism was the attitude that government is the enemy. The founding principle of the US, and what made us the most successful society on earth, is that our government represents the people and is accountable to the people. When government becomes the adversary we are left with nothing. Fox News and Hobby Lobby aren’t coming to save us. The NRA exists to generates fees for its leadership. The Kochs don’t care how ordinary Americans live. Democratic representative government is the only way to preserve liberty and it is worth saving. The conservative dream that an authoritarian leader is going to ride in and save us is just that - only a dream.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Jack D, @Buzz Mohawk, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Joe Stalin

    , @Bill Jones
    @Achmed E. Newman

    How many of these are "White People"?
    Not much striking honesty here.


    Every Single Senate Democrat Just Voted Against Defining Pregnancy As A Biologically Female Process
     
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/every-single-senate-democrat-just-voted-against-defining-pregnancy-biologically-female

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  5. After all, the less the victims of racial quotas hear about them, the less they will think about them.

    There’s no such thing as a victim of a racial quota. Everyone is a beneficiary: minorities when they enjoy preferences, and wypipos when they enjoy minorities getting preferences. So enjoy! Good and hard.

  6. The way quotas are supposed to work: Harvard’s student body should have Asians at 8x their representation in the general population, Jews at 15x their representation, and BLACKS at twice their proportion. Latinos at some small number, whatever.

    Anything left over? Okay, let a couple of SJW white chicks in, provided their essays demonstrate their woke bona fides. Just so everyone else has someone to screw. And we might need a few athlete legacies so the hockey and lacrosse teams can compete with Yale and Princeton. Everyone else STFU.

  7. I wonder what these Latinx complainers think of the casting decision of the lovely (and brunette and brown eyed) Ana de Armas as Marilyn Monroe in the new movie “Blonde”.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Coag

    If she bleaches her hair blonde and wears blue tinted contact lenses, why not? Nobody has to watch the film who doesn't want to.

    Replies: @CCG

  8. Twitter>Taki

    The entire Hispanic stuff is absurd. If they want “race”, then introduce Mestizo & it better has the Mestizo looks – not Univision nonsense or Mexican weather forecast:

    • Agree: Enemy of Earth
    • Thanks: MEH 0910
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I hope that weather gal has been smart enough to use her good looks to snag a smart, handsome, kind physics graduate student before her looks go.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    , @AnotherDad
    @Bardon Kaldian


    The entire Hispanic stuff is absurd. If they want “race”, then introduce Mestizo & it
     
    Long overdue.

    We track one ethnic category and it is one that basically had little to do with the historic American Nation.

    Introduce Mestizo, Mulatto, Indio as well as "Polynesian", "East Asian", "South Asian", "Middel Eastern/Semitic".

    And then give people all the ethnic categories out there. From "White American", "Black American", "Native Indian American" down through all the specifics--English, Scots, Scots-Irish, Irish, Dutch ... Chinese,, Japanese, Korean, Filippino ... Mexican, Cuban ... Jewish-Sephardic, Jewish-Ashkenazi, Arab ... whatever.
  9. Actor James Franco is being denounced for playing Fidel Castro while white.

    Imagine had some more blackish actor been chosen!

    Denzel’s a bit old, though. Any suggestions? The Rock perhaps?

  10. Anonymous[399] • Disclaimer says:

    Steve,

    The reason why the French so signally refuse to collect racial and ethnic data on French citizens has nothing to do with high faluting ‘principles’ and ‘individualism’, no, rather it is the result of the deep shame and embarrassment of the Vichy government handing over official documentation, which included religious affiliation, to the German occupiers of France.

    • Replies: @Red Connor
    @Anonymous

    Oh, did they really?

    Thanks.

    Now I won't sleep all night.

  11. Anonymous[399] • Disclaimer says:

    Basically, what you’ve got is an embryonic caste system in the making with whites taking the place of the untouchables, and blacks the brahmins. All these things start rather informally at first and become entrenched by political, legal – and most particularly – religious sanction in the long-term, after which the hierarchy becomes more or less embedded in society.

    As ever, good ol’ Nietzsche got it right. Anti Nietzscheanism brings us became to full blown Nietzscheanism but with the ‘kingly men’ being the weaklings and the weaklings the kingly men.

  12. OT — Claimed anonymous insider says smart meters are good for you and bad for utilities because you are now charged properly for actual usage. I would normally screencap something like this and wait to see if contrary reports ever bubbled up, but I just had three different screencapping apps die on me, and it’s kind of interesting.

    [MORE]

    Insider here at Thames Water. I only have knowledge of Thames Water but this probably also applies to every other water company who are rolling out smart meters.

    Over the last few years compulsory smart meters have been rolling out to all customers. Customers now pay for exactly how much they use. Previously they were billed on an assumed usage of an average household. Well guess what, that assumed usage was widely overestimated. Most people are actually using significantly less than they were assumed to use under the old rated system. This has two main consequences.

    1) Revenue is way down because now customers pay for what they actually use, and most customers are using less than they were paying for under the old system.

    2) Now that usage can be measured via smart meters it can be compared to input, and it is not looking good for leak management. All that water that was being overestimated as customer usage? Actually all leaks.

    Needless to say upper levels are BIDENting themselves. This company is going bust in 5 years max.

  13. Except … except… FRANCO LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE CASTRO!

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Meretricious

    Except … except… FRANCO LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE CASTRO!

    Tovarisch, you are hung up on the notion of bourgeois truth, i.e. correspondence with reality. But what is significant is Revolutionary truth , i.e. that which furthers the aims of the Revolution. I hope that clears matters up .

  14. because Gibraltarians drink too much tea to be Hispanic

    Back in the 1980s a Spanish government minister demanded Gibraltar be handed over because Britain had broken a term in the treaty that made Gib a British possession, to wit an agreement that neither Moors nor Jews be allowed to live in Gib.

    He pointed out that the then Chief Minister in the Gib government, Sir Joshua Hassan, was both a Moor and a Jew.

    I can’t remember another example of a European government in the 80s explicitly basing policy on an anti-semitic argument.

    (Mind you, using the old, wide meaning of “Moor”, I’ll bet the French government wished that its predecessors had based policy on anti-Moor sentiment.)

    • Replies: @Dave7609
    @dearieme

    What is the “old, wide meaning of Moor?” The term Moor has been used to refer to North Africans, sub-Saharan Africans (i.e. blackamoor) and even to generic Muslims. (Ie Filipino Moors). The word Moor is one of the most confusing words in the English language. Moor seems to have a different definition every time you read it.

    Replies: @Rob McX

  15. I told my kids that their grandma (my mom, long dead before they were born) was Argentinian. Like Che. They are dark enough to pull it off. One has zero obligation to cooperate with a crooked system.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Hodag

    I think you have an obligation not to lie to your children about their ancestry. They are going to find out some day and they are not going to be happy that their parents lied to them about an important family matter. They may think that you lied to them about other stuff too.

    Replies: @Hodag

  16. …the Poland-born Jewish media mogul who got a big tax break for buying a radio station as a Hispanic on the grounds that his ancestors were expelled from Spain in 1492.

    Hmm… I think I’m a Roosa desendant:

    Re: “Albert Heymanse Roosa the Jew” theory

    Captain Aeldert Hymansz Roosa

    One of Ældert’s daughters married a Pawling, but that won’t help Linus’s kin, as their Paulings were Prussian. However, Vernon Davis Roosa‘s master injection pump revolutionized the diesel engine industry, so there’s that.

    Due to Nixon’s brainstorm, we’ve now managed to socially construct a population that has a hard time seeing with their own eyes that Fidel Castro was white.

    He’ll always be a nig-nog to me.

    Similarly, Franco’s paternal grandfather was from the Portuguese island of Madeira.

    Madeirans invented the ukulele. Could they also qualify as Hawaiians?

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
    @Reg Cæsar

    Given that Traditional Hawaiian Music (tm) was invented under
    Kamehameha IV by a certain Heini Berger, trumpeter from Potsdam,
    I´m sure they could :D

  17. EMMETT TILL NEWS ALERT:

    The New York Times reports,

    Mississippi Grand Jury Declines to Indict Woman in Emmett Till Murder Case

    From the report:

    By Rick Rojas
    Aug. 9, 2022

    NASHVILLE — A grand jury in Mississippi examining the case of Emmett Till, a 14-year-old Black boy whose abduction and killing more than six decades ago became a galvanizing force for the civil rights movement, has declined to indict the white woman whose accusations prompted the attack, prosecutors said on Tuesday.

    Jurors in Leflore County in the Mississippi Delta, where Emmett had traveled from Chicago in the summer of 1955, heard more than seven hours of testimony from investigators and witnesses with direct knowledge of the case. Still, prosecutors said, the panel did not find sufficient evidence to indict the woman, Carolyn Bryant Donham, on charges of kidnapping or manslaughter.

    Will mostly peaceful protests ensue?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Buzz Mohawk


    Still, prosecutors said, the panel did not find sufficient evidence to indict the woman, Carolyn Bryant Donham, on charges of kidnapping or manslaughter.
     
    Well, no, cause she didn't do any of that. (That doesn't always stop them, I know.)

    Replies: @Curle

    , @Shel100
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Great news.

  18. @Buzz Mohawk
    EMMETT TILL NEWS ALERT:

    The New York Times reports,


    Mississippi Grand Jury Declines to Indict Woman in Emmett Till Murder Case

    From the report:


    By Rick Rojas
    Aug. 9, 2022

    NASHVILLE — A grand jury in Mississippi examining the case of Emmett Till, a 14-year-old Black boy whose abduction and killing more than six decades ago became a galvanizing force for the civil rights movement, has declined to indict the white woman whose accusations prompted the attack, prosecutors said on Tuesday.

    Jurors in Leflore County in the Mississippi Delta, where Emmett had traveled from Chicago in the summer of 1955, heard more than seven hours of testimony from investigators and witnesses with direct knowledge of the case. Still, prosecutors said, the panel did not find sufficient evidence to indict the woman, Carolyn Bryant Donham, on charges of kidnapping or manslaughter.
     

    Will mostly peaceful protests ensue?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Shel100

    Still, prosecutors said, the panel did not find sufficient evidence to indict the woman, Carolyn Bryant Donham, on charges of kidnapping or manslaughter.

    Well, no, cause she didn’t do any of that. (That doesn’t always stop them, I know.)

    • Replies: @Curle
    @Achmed E. Newman

    What was the legal theory for either? Deicide?

  19. To continue playing ‘cooperate’ while the other player continues to play ‘defect’ is not very intelligent.

  20. I went to high school with a blonde-haired blue-eyed guy whose father was Italian, and mother was German. He was given some kind of Hispanic scholarship because his grandparents came through Argentina into the States after WW2. He ended up with the State Department. Good guy, used to joke about it all the time.

  21. What, exactly, is the difference between “Hispanic” and “Latino” (fm. “Latina”). This subject is all very confusing. Who came up with the word “Latino” for example? The word “Latino” (and the feminine version “Latina”) is obviously derived from the root word “Latin”–which is a language. By that reasoning a person who is of the following extractions would qualify as “Latino”: French, Portuguese, Spanish, Romanian, Catalan, Sardinian, Sicilian, Occitanian and Galician. There may be others i.e. Moldavian but I think the point is made.

    “Ideas Have Consequences”, wrote Richard Weaver. So do words.

    • Replies: @ForeverCARealist
    @Prester John

    English is heavily Latin too.

  22. Due to Nixon’s brainstorm, we’ve now managed to socially construct a population that has a hard time seeing with their own eyes that Fidel Castro was white

    Castro’s mother’s native Canaries are a bit of a hodgepodge racially speaking, although people there typically look about like Andalusians in my experience–white with some North African and other pan-Mediterranean stuff thrown in or whatever.

    The population of Galicia, Castro’s father’s homeland in Spain’s far northwest corner, is a lot whiter-looking. Which makes sense: Galicia is called that because of its original Gaelicness. When you’re gazing out to sea at the Iron Age coastal settlement of Castro de Baroña up there, things start feeling pretty Irish.

    • Replies: @Iberian
    @slumber_j

    Southern Iberians (or southern Italians, or Greeks, or whatever) are not less “white “ than northerner Iberians;
    They are simply a distinct combination of the same admixture of Earl Europeian Farmers and Ancestral North Eurasians, that all West Eurasians came from;
    Unless you think that the English are less white than Swedish, or something…

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @slumber_j, @Buzz Mohawk, @Cutler

    , @Ian Smith
    @slumber_j

    I thought Castro was Basque, therefore an Ur-European.

    Replies: @slumber_j

    , @Anonymous Jew
    @slumber_j

    Personally, my definition of ‘White’ is pretty broad (any Caucasian with pale skin). That said, Many Southern Euro populations are a few % Black African due to the Moors, Rome etc.

    I don’t really care how others classify White, and I’m fine with being excluded. But given the state we’re in - at least from a strategic perspective - it probably makes sense to make the White America tent pretty big. I don’t see any secessionist movement being more successful by excluding patriotic Sicilians and Jews or even pale Mexicans. And the chances of success are already vanishingly small as it is.

  23. @Reg Cæsar

    ...the Poland-born Jewish media mogul who got a big tax break for buying a radio station as a Hispanic on the grounds that his ancestors were expelled from Spain in 1492.

     

    Hmm... I think I'm a Roosa desendant:

    Re: "Albert Heymanse Roosa the Jew" theory

    Captain Aeldert Hymansz Roosa

    One of Ældert's daughters married a Pawling, but that won't help Linus's kin, as their Paulings were Prussian. However, Vernon Davis Roosa's master injection pump revolutionized the diesel engine industry, so there's that.

    Due to Nixon’s brainstorm, we’ve now managed to socially construct a population that has a hard time seeing with their own eyes that Fidel Castro was white.

     

    He'll always be a nig-nog to me.

    Similarly, Franco’s paternal grandfather was from the Portuguese island of Madeira.
     
    Madeirans invented the ukulele. Could they also qualify as Hawaiians?

    Replies: @nokangaroos

    Given that Traditional Hawaiian Music ™ was invented under
    Kamehameha IV by a certain Heini Berger, trumpeter from Potsdam,
    I´m sure they could 😀

  24. Is the Pope Hispanic?

    • LOL: Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Altai

    That 15-second clip was so good I clicked through to the YouTube comments to see how it was received: ... everyone is admitting that it's basically true, plus a guy with a Hispanic surname pointing out that the clip didn't have to be taken down because "our people can take a joke".

    Replies: @James J. O'Meara, @Altai

  25. Over the coming generations, America’s classification system will slowly devolve into absurdity as intermarriage gives more and more individuals some kind of genealogical claim to eligibility for racial preferences.

    And for those low-class whites who, you know, kind of like their people and choose to have white children, what about them? I guess they just have to accept being a persecuted minorities for even more generations to come.

    As always, Steve has one piece of advice for whites: Lay back and think of colorblind civic nationalism.

    Seriously, Steve is suggesting that whites accept being second-class citizens for “coming generations” in the hope – hope – that the bully will lay off because it’s getting harder to figure out who to punch. And what does Steve base this hope upon? Why, fifty years of everyone coming around to his brand of colorblind civic nationalism?

    Oh wait, that hasn’t happened. Indeed, identity politics has won the day over and over since around 1970.

    Steve’s master plan is for whites to get pushed around for multiple generations in hopes that a failed strategy will magically start winning.

    The “dark matter” of the pundit world is really showing his stuff.

    • Agree: Alden, 3g4me
  26. @Hodag
    I told my kids that their grandma (my mom, long dead before they were born) was Argentinian. Like Che. They are dark enough to pull it off. One has zero obligation to cooperate with a crooked system.

    Replies: @Jack D

    I think you have an obligation not to lie to your children about their ancestry. They are going to find out some day and they are not going to be happy that their parents lied to them about an important family matter. They may think that you lied to them about other stuff too.

    • Replies: @Hodag
    @Jack D

    They know. I am telling them to lie on government forms.

    Replies: @SFG

  27. Fidel Castro was white. Fulgencio Battista of the previous regime was black. Look up some pics.

    And this racial difference is significant in Cuban society to this day.

  28. “But the bureaucratic details of how they work (or don’t work) tend to be kept rather secret from the public. After all, the less the victims of racial quotas hear about them, the less they will think about them.”

    That’s blatantly false, Mr. Sailer. The public has been made aware of those details and the level of effectiveness/ineffectiveness.

    https://www.government.se/49b738/contentassets/6310cf0f5c5049c6b0ee15d1cfc49b74/harry-holzer-the-economic-impact-of-affirmative-action-in-the-us

    https://www.government.se/49b738/contentassets/6310cf0f5c5049c6b0ee15d1cfc49b74/harry-holzer-the-economic-impact-of-affirmative-action-in-the-us

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/01/20/have-we-outgrown-the-need-for-affirmative-action/amp

    https://lweb.cfa.harvard.edu/cfawis/Dobbin_best_practices.pdf

    “Instead, starting during the Truman years, obscure federal bureaucrats put together some boxes to check on paperwork forms, and things just sort of growed from there.”

    Not particularly, Mr, Sailer. It’s much more nuanced.

    https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.soc.29.010202.100006

    —In 1977, the federal Office of Management and Budget (OMB) established an official classification standard for the measurement of race in the American population. In so doing, the OMB authorities created what amounted to a racial cosmology that spread throughout American society, affecting public perceptions about the racial hierarchy of American society. In 1997, the OMB issued a revised version of this classification in which small changes may profoundly affect the way policymakers and the American public think about race. At the very least, these revisions present significant challenges to social scientists who study race and ethnicity. This review begins with a brief historical overview of racial data collected by the federal government. It subsequently examines the circumstances leading up to the 1997 revisions of OMB Directive No. 15 and discusses how these revisions may affect social scientific research on the subject of race and ethnicity.—

    https://www.amacad.org/publication/racial-classification-america

    —A key early step came in a 1947 report from President Truman’s Committee on Civil Rights, which used statistics to compare health access and educational opportunities for whites and blacks, giving statistical underpinnings to the committee’s broad argument that civil rights were being denied to blacks.

    Across every sector of American life two political questions began to push forward: Which racial groups are underrepresented? Does underrepresentation point to discriminatory barriers targeted at racial, ethnic, or national origin groups?

    When statistical proportionality came of age in the 1960s, a new policy era was born. Social justice policies formulated in response to statistical findings were widely accepted by the end of the 1960s, as the ideal of equal opportunity fueled a demand for more equal outcomes, and as the negative goal of nondiscrimination turned into the proactive policy of redress that came to be called affirmative action.—

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2882688/

    —In this article, we compare different accounts of the racial and ethnic composition of the American population and measure the degree of overlap of identities for the largest racial and ethnic groups. Our analysis relies on responses to questions about race and ethnicity in the 2000 census, although we argue that these data should not be viewed uncritically. Our interpretation draws upon a historical perspective and emphasizes the inherent subjectivity of census measures of race and ethnicity. Most Americans, except for recent immigrants, are probably descended from multiple geographic, ethnic, and racial origins. Even with strong sanctions against intermarriage, there is considerable historical, literary, and genetic evidence of ethnic and racial mixing among all of the peoples who have settled in the United States (Davis 1991; Hollinger 2003; Gordon-Reed 1998). Yet, many Americans tend to downplay—or are unaware of—this complexity.—

    • Replies: @Peter Johnson
    @Corvinus

    Your statement: "Most Americans, except for recent immigrants, are probably descended from multiple geographic, ethnic, and racial origins " is not really accurate and depends upon the definition of "multiple geographic, ethnic and racial origins". Defining European as a geographic, ethnic and racial origin, the vast majority of White Americans are 100% European with no admixture. Not all White Americans, of course, but a very substantial majority, have no other ancestry. I am not trying to make any value statement, just a factual one about genetic ancestry. Inter-racial mixing is fine and proper, but it only had a substantive impact on White Americans in very recent decades. Not true for Black Americans who have strong admixture across continental ancestries.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  29. Why aren’t Italians Latinos? That’s the place from which Latin originates.

    BTW, I know an Italian-Argentine immigrant, and he calls himself Latino. He looks like a white guy, but has a strong accent, so no one questions him.

  30. @slumber_j

    Due to Nixon’s brainstorm, we’ve now managed to socially construct a population that has a hard time seeing with their own eyes that Fidel Castro was white
     
    Castro's mother's native Canaries are a bit of a hodgepodge racially speaking, although people there typically look about like Andalusians in my experience--white with some North African and other pan-Mediterranean stuff thrown in or whatever.

    The population of Galicia, Castro's father's homeland in Spain's far northwest corner, is a lot whiter-looking. Which makes sense: Galicia is called that because of its original Gaelicness. When you're gazing out to sea at the Iron Age coastal settlement of Castro de Baroña up there, things start feeling pretty Irish.

    Replies: @Iberian, @Ian Smith, @Anonymous Jew

    Southern Iberians (or southern Italians, or Greeks, or whatever) are not less “white “ than northerner Iberians;
    They are simply a distinct combination of the same admixture of Earl Europeian Farmers and Ancestral North Eurasians, that all West Eurasians came from;
    Unless you think that the English are less white than Swedish, or something…

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Iberian


    Unless you think that the English are less white than Swedish
     
    Of course they are. Typical renaissance Englishwoman ...

    https://th-thumbnailer.cdn-si-edu.com/hhsrz1wnXkGS7fW1WzIH68Uy24Q=/1000x750/filters:no_upscale():focal(977x503:978x504)/https://tf-cmsv2-smithsonianmag-media.s3.amazonaws.com/filer/96/fb/96fbf1f3-14c3-4c8b-8c47-4721deb3dbeb/screen_shot_2021-06-02_at_64002_pm.png

    Replies: @Ian Smith

    , @slumber_j
    @Iberian


    Southern Iberians (or southern Italians, or Greeks, or whatever) are not less “white “ than northerner Iberians
     
    Not my argument. They're not less "white" as you put it, but they are less white. As in, their skin is often browner. You'll note if you're being careful that I said "whiter-looking," which oddly enough is what I meant to say.
    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @Iberian

    Hey listen, my White friend: This is the conundrum that the most clever of our enemies use against us. They like to gaslight us into believing that we are not a race. They do this by pointing out the subtle, historic differentiations among us. They try to divide and conquer us. We do not fall for this con. We are Europeans. We are a race called "White."

    By identifying as something, together, we confirm that we are something, together -- and that no outsiders can deny us this God given element of what we are.

    slumber j was referring to color appearance. He is correct, and you misunderstood him because you have been exposed to the propaganda that divides us.

    Our race actually displays the most color of any. WE are the true People of Color.


    https://nationalvanguard.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/peopleofcolor.jpg

    Replies: @Cutler, @JackOH, @Corvinus

    , @Cutler
    @Iberian

    Of course Iberian is correct, Europeans are genetically homogeneous and share the same ancestry and characteristics ie are a race or continental ancestry group.

  31. @Jack D
    @Hodag

    I think you have an obligation not to lie to your children about their ancestry. They are going to find out some day and they are not going to be happy that their parents lied to them about an important family matter. They may think that you lied to them about other stuff too.

    Replies: @Hodag

    They know. I am telling them to lie on government forms.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @SFG
    @Hodag

    Good luck to you if you can pull it off. I get the sense the Conquistador American loophole is closing, but anything you can do to hurt the system is good.

  32. First, is one looks up the FBI instructions in how to complete a fingerprint card, there is no Hispanic. One is easier white, black Asian, Indian, and undeterminable. I always love to tell Hispanics that when they complete the fingerprints, they are now white people.

    Another source of confusion is the use of the term: Person of Color or People of Color.

    It is used sometimes to only mean black, sometimes includes hispanics, and sometimes includes Asians. An example would be that when it comes to education, Asians are not people of color but when it comes to voting against Republicans, Asians are counted as people of color. Look at how middle easterners are starting to refer to themselves as people of color.

  33. If you’ve ever spent any time at Volokh, you know that Bernstein would call Steve a “racist” for his use of black crime stats.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @anonymous

    I don't think he posts there much, if at all, anymore.

  34. @Altai

    Is the Pope Hispanic?
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDktG64Cx8I

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    That 15-second clip was so good I clicked through to the YouTube comments to see how it was received: … everyone is admitting that it’s basically true, plus a guy with a Hispanic surname pointing out that the clip didn’t have to be taken down because “our people can take a joke”.

    • Replies: @James J. O'Meara
    @Almost Missouri

    What's meta-funny about that is that Frank is usually the "racist uncle at Thanksgiving dinner" character, talking about getting AIDS from hugs and waving guns around. Thus does the truth occasionally slip out unintentionally.

    BTW, has anyone ever noticed/explained how the show takes place in Philly, yet I would say only 3 black faces have ever appeared on screen in 15 seasons? Do they ban blacks from the location shots? Since everyone involved -- except Danny DeVito, perhaps -- is obviously a shitlib, is this like how shitlibs, despite their vaunted "opinions", always live in purely White neighborhoods?

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    , @Altai
    @Almost Missouri

    It's also worth noting that lots of Maya people survive today with little to no European admixture. So they didn't actually go extinct through admixture, not all of them 'turned into Mexicans'.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_peoples

  35. Someone who is 1/4096 th Cherokee has one Cherokee ancestor twelve generations back. At a cautious 20 years per generation that is 258 years (if the applicant is eighteen years old). That is one Cherokee ancestor a quarter of a millenium ago. Yeesh. Well, I guess it got Elizabeth Warren a professorship at Harvard so maybe it might work (to be fair, I think that she was 1/1024th).

    The AA system relies on widespread White honesty and people should try wherever possible (in their own interest as well) to destroy this monstrosity through highly ethical dishonesty.

    • Agree: propagandist hacker
  36. @Hodag
    @Jack D

    They know. I am telling them to lie on government forms.

    Replies: @SFG

    Good luck to you if you can pull it off. I get the sense the Conquistador American loophole is closing, but anything you can do to hurt the system is good.

  37. In the last chapter, Bernstein makes the same argument as Ann Coulter: that immigrants shouldn’t qualify for affirmative action, which should be restricted to America’s two genuine historic victim groups, official members of American Indian tribes and descendants of American slaves.

    That’s better than the status quo, but it’d be better still if we replaced the race-based affirmative action with an income-based one. That way, poor whites and Asians would also qualify. Or we could just make the whole thing color-blind and let the chips fall where they may. Any of these would be better than the monstrosity we have today, which I think is the worst of all worlds.

    • Agree: kaganovitch, Hibernian
    • Replies: @Arclight
    @Twinkie

    Agree - making blacks and Natives wards of the state has done neither any good at all. In fact, I'd argue that for blacks it's been positively catastrophic because it has incentivized their politics to be largely nothing more than securing as much social welfare/lessened standards for their most dysfunctional members as possible. This has resulted in large numbers of blacks whose families have no tradition of self-sufficiency in living memory whatsoever and unleashed previously unimaginable levels of anti-social behavior that imposes massive direct and indirect costs on society every year.

    Unfortunately I doubt we ever move away from race-based affirmative action. There is theoretically the ability to do away with it through the Sailer Strategy but the GOP lacks the brains and guts to go through with it, at least in its present incarnation, and of course the left will fight tooth and nail for its preservation because it's one of their core organizing principles that has yielded a lot of electoral success.

    , @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    I think that the current Supreme Ct. is coming for AA very soon. Any sort of racial classification is highly suspect under the Constitution. Up until now, just as with Roe, the Court dishonestly danced around this ("we know this violates the Constitution, but we're gonna give it a pass anyway, but only for 25 years by which time the blacks will be caught up for sure") but I don't think that they are going to do so any more.

    The Court majority takes the Constitution seriously and is not going to be bound by incorrect precedents that invented imaginary Constitutional rights and exceptions to rights in whatever way was most pleasing to the Leftist sentiments of the moment. Grutter v. Bollinger is just as offensive to the Constitution as Plessy was. Equal treatment of the races means equal treatment of the races, the right to keep and bear arms means that you have the right to keep and bear arms, the Constitution doesn't contain a right to abortion on demand - no more of this Alice in Wonderland crap where black means white and up means down. If the Left wants any of these things, let them amend the Constitution but the words of the one that we have have to be taken to mean what they were intended to mean.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Almost Missouri, @Corvinus

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @Twinkie

    Your words "the monstrosity that we have today" are apropos. As I mentioned with regard to the meaning of Reaganism, our government isn't in itself evil; it is too big. We have agencies, laws, add-ons and yes, even Supreme Court edicts that are not in the Constitution.

    What is not expressly written into the Constitution is reserved for the People and their states as the People of those states see fit. THAT is in the Constitution.

    I hope Jack is right and the high court is ready to sack AA. (Imagine the mostly peaceful protests that would bring on.)

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Twinkie

    What we have fits quite naturally in a multi-racial society. Each groups fights for its slice of the pie.

    I can understand your desire for a colorblind world, but it's simply never been the natural way that humans have organized. Never - at least not for very long.

    Nature isn't colorblind.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  38. @Achmed E. Newman
    Yes, White people have been "strikingly honest". We are strikingly honest in all sorts of ways as compared to all other check-boxes of people. I was taught (by example) to be, and try to be honest in dealings with people. The thing is, Steve, Governments are NOT people.

    One has no obligation to be honest with a government that is doing its best to pound you and your people into the ground! In fact, under this oppressive system, you have a duty not to be. It's amazing that people have put up with this obviously unfair, unConstitutional system for over half a century now, when the only "rational master plan" since the overturning of the Right to Association has been for a colorblind system. (I guess judging by character didn't work out, and too many kids got beat up in school to continue like that...)

    I'm sure that Mr. Bernstein's book is entertaining, and I might even pick it up as a how-to book (and how NOT-to). I'll fight the oppression any way that works, and that's not just AA, either.

    BTW, both the links on this post (in The Unz Review, that is) go to some tweet. I just went straight to Takimag.com. Also in para. 5 "... things just sort of growed from there.". Ha! And you used "Oriental" to distinguish from •Indian. Thank you!

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Bill Jones

    One has no obligation to be honest with a government that is doing its best to pound you and your people into the ground!

    But it’s our fucking government, it is our own fault if we have let it it fall under the control of grifters and racial activists.

    One of the most harmful things to come out of Reaganism was the attitude that government is the enemy. The founding principle of the US, and what made us the most successful society on earth, is that our government represents the people and is accountable to the people. When government becomes the adversary we are left with nothing. Fox News and Hobby Lobby aren’t coming to save us. The NRA exists to generates fees for its leadership. The Kochs don’t care how ordinary Americans live. Democratic representative government is the only way to preserve liberty and it is worth saving. The conservative dream that an authoritarian leader is going to ride in and save us is just that – only a dream.

    • Disagree: Alden
    • Troll: Hibernian
    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Peter Akuleyev

    One of the most harmful things to come out of Reaganism was the attitude that government is the enemy. The founding principle of the US, and what made us the most successful society on earth, is that our government represents the people and is accountable to the people.

    But at least since the civil rights era per C. Caldwell (and I would argue a good deal earlier), we don't live under the system that the Founders envisioned. Approaching the current Federal Gov. monstrosity with the idea that it represents the Founder's vision is just Quixotic tilting at windmills. As the Good Book says "And with the perverse thou dost shew thyself contrary."

    , @Jack D
    @Peter Akuleyev

    The people can only control the elected government but in a modern state the real government is the Permanent Government. Electing Trump (who was about as good as it was going to get) changed very little because it did not change the Permanent Government, which was able to wait Trump out. The Permanent Government is not accountable to the people and it's almost impossible to get rid of the bureaucratic state. There is no realistic plan by which the right could ever take back the Permanent Government and its sister institutions, Academia, Non-Profits, Media, etc.

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @Peter Akuleyev


    One of the most harmful things to come out of Reaganism was the attitude that government is the enemy.
     
    Reaganism was not about our government being the enemy. It was about our government having gotten too big.

    A bureaucratic nose that pokes into Citizen's lives is too big.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Bill Jones

    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Peter Akuleyev

    "it’s our fucking government, it is our own fault if we have let it it fall under the control of grifters and racial activists."

    As a wise man once said, "A small bunch of dedicated fanatics will always triumph over people who just want to be left alone."

    The default mode for sane people is just wanting to be left alone. Unfortunately the fanatics have seen to it that that is no longer an option.

    In high school physics class, we had to design a momentum-accurate rollercoaster which would glide to a smooth halt at the end. As a joke I submitted a rollercoaster which was effectively a flat-railed railroad. But I also submitted an actual rollercoaster. Eventually you'll all have to, too.

    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Peter Akuleyev


    The founding principle of the US, and what made us the most successful society on earth, is that our government represents the people and is accountable to the people.
     
    Wrong CivNat. What made the US so successful was the people who settled this country. The government was simply a reflection of the culture of that people - overwhelmingly Anglo-Saxons who had the nuts to carve out a nation from the wilderness.

    Just as there's no Magic Dirt, there's no Magic Culture or Magic Constitution. It's unbelievable how commentators on an HBD site can't understand how important biology is to the culture and government of a society. Those Anglo-American values withstood a very tough test when we allowed in Germans, Italians, Irish and other Europeans, but because of their similar biology, we mostly keep those values intact.

    Let's make it simple:

    Government is down stream from culture which is downstream from biology. Change the biology, and, eventually, you change the government. We stupidly changed the biology of the US over the past 50 years, and now, we'll pay the price.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @Joe Stalin
    @Peter Akuleyev


    The NRA exists to generates fees for its leadership.
     
    Speaking of the NRA, what the hell happened to "the voice of five million Americans" when all the useless Republicans voted with the Chuck Schumers to give us more Red Flag laws in the latest Gun Control vote?

    Heard not ONE mention of the NRA in the news media when the Mitt Romney's rushed forward to support the Cosmopolitan's attacks on gun ownership.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  39. @slumber_j

    Due to Nixon’s brainstorm, we’ve now managed to socially construct a population that has a hard time seeing with their own eyes that Fidel Castro was white
     
    Castro's mother's native Canaries are a bit of a hodgepodge racially speaking, although people there typically look about like Andalusians in my experience--white with some North African and other pan-Mediterranean stuff thrown in or whatever.

    The population of Galicia, Castro's father's homeland in Spain's far northwest corner, is a lot whiter-looking. Which makes sense: Galicia is called that because of its original Gaelicness. When you're gazing out to sea at the Iron Age coastal settlement of Castro de Baroña up there, things start feeling pretty Irish.

    Replies: @Iberian, @Ian Smith, @Anonymous Jew

    I thought Castro was Basque, therefore an Ur-European.

    • Replies: @slumber_j
    @Ian Smith

    I don't think he was Basque--not as far as I know. Galicia is just above Portugal over there on the upper-left of Iberia, pretty far to the west of Basqueland.

  40. Ah yes. Nixon’s brainstorm: Instead of “divide and conquer”, “unite and be conquered.”

  41. WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO DO A WEDNESDAY COLUMN AT “TAKI’S MAGAZINE” ANALYZING RON UNZ’ BIOWARFARE HYPOTHESIS? (AS THE BLEACHER BUMS USED TO NOTE: “THE WHOLE WORLD IS WATCHING!”)

  42. @Corvinus
    “But the bureaucratic details of how they work (or don’t work) tend to be kept rather secret from the public. After all, the less the victims of racial quotas hear about them, the less they will think about them.”

    That’s blatantly false, Mr. Sailer. The public has been made aware of those details and the level of effectiveness/ineffectiveness.

    https://www.government.se/49b738/contentassets/6310cf0f5c5049c6b0ee15d1cfc49b74/harry-holzer-the-economic-impact-of-affirmative-action-in-the-us

    https://www.government.se/49b738/contentassets/6310cf0f5c5049c6b0ee15d1cfc49b74/harry-holzer-the-economic-impact-of-affirmative-action-in-the-us

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/01/20/have-we-outgrown-the-need-for-affirmative-action/amp

    https://lweb.cfa.harvard.edu/cfawis/Dobbin_best_practices.pdf

    “Instead, starting during the Truman years, obscure federal bureaucrats put together some boxes to check on paperwork forms, and things just sort of growed from there.”

    Not particularly, Mr, Sailer. It’s much more nuanced.

    https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.soc.29.010202.100006

    —In 1977, the federal Office of Management and Budget (OMB) established an official classification standard for the measurement of race in the American population. In so doing, the OMB authorities created what amounted to a racial cosmology that spread throughout American society, affecting public perceptions about the racial hierarchy of American society. In 1997, the OMB issued a revised version of this classification in which small changes may profoundly affect the way policymakers and the American public think about race. At the very least, these revisions present significant challenges to social scientists who study race and ethnicity. This review begins with a brief historical overview of racial data collected by the federal government. It subsequently examines the circumstances leading up to the 1997 revisions of OMB Directive No. 15 and discusses how these revisions may affect social scientific research on the subject of race and ethnicity.—

    https://www.amacad.org/publication/racial-classification-america

    —A key early step came in a 1947 report from President Truman’s Committee on Civil Rights, which used statistics to compare health access and educational opportunities for whites and blacks, giving statistical underpinnings to the committee’s broad argument that civil rights were being denied to blacks.

    Across every sector of American life two political questions began to push forward: Which racial groups are underrepresented? Does underrepresentation point to discriminatory barriers targeted at racial, ethnic, or national origin groups?

    When statistical proportionality came of age in the 1960s, a new policy era was born. Social justice policies formulated in response to statistical findings were widely accepted by the end of the 1960s, as the ideal of equal opportunity fueled a demand for more equal outcomes, and as the negative goal of nondiscrimination turned into the proactive policy of redress that came to be called affirmative action.—

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2882688/

    —In this article, we compare different accounts of the racial and ethnic composition of the American population and measure the degree of overlap of identities for the largest racial and ethnic groups. Our analysis relies on responses to questions about race and ethnicity in the 2000 census, although we argue that these data should not be viewed uncritically. Our interpretation draws upon a historical perspective and emphasizes the inherent subjectivity of census measures of race and ethnicity. Most Americans, except for recent immigrants, are probably descended from multiple geographic, ethnic, and racial origins. Even with strong sanctions against intermarriage, there is considerable historical, literary, and genetic evidence of ethnic and racial mixing among all of the peoples who have settled in the United States (Davis 1991; Hollinger 2003; Gordon-Reed 1998). Yet, many Americans tend to downplay—or are unaware of—this complexity.—

    Replies: @Peter Johnson

    Your statement: “Most Americans, except for recent immigrants, are probably descended from multiple geographic, ethnic, and racial origins ” is not really accurate and depends upon the definition of “multiple geographic, ethnic and racial origins”. Defining European as a geographic, ethnic and racial origin, the vast majority of White Americans are 100% European with no admixture. Not all White Americans, of course, but a very substantial majority, have no other ancestry. I am not trying to make any value statement, just a factual one about genetic ancestry. Inter-racial mixing is fine and proper, but it only had a substantive impact on White Americans in very recent decades. Not true for Black Americans who have strong admixture across continental ancestries.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Peter Johnson

    It’s not my statement, it’s one from a source I cited. Besides, European is not a race nor an ethnic group. Rather, it consists of distinct groups of people. So white Americans typically classify themselves as being Slavic, or Italian, or Finnish, rather than European. And we also know the origin of those ethnic groups can be traced back to the Middle East and parts of Asia.

  43. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Achmed E. Newman

    One has no obligation to be honest with a government that is doing its best to pound you and your people into the ground!

    But it’s our fucking government, it is our own fault if we have let it it fall under the control of grifters and racial activists.

    One of the most harmful things to come out of Reaganism was the attitude that government is the enemy. The founding principle of the US, and what made us the most successful society on earth, is that our government represents the people and is accountable to the people. When government becomes the adversary we are left with nothing. Fox News and Hobby Lobby aren’t coming to save us. The NRA exists to generates fees for its leadership. The Kochs don’t care how ordinary Americans live. Democratic representative government is the only way to preserve liberty and it is worth saving. The conservative dream that an authoritarian leader is going to ride in and save us is just that - only a dream.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Jack D, @Buzz Mohawk, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Joe Stalin

    One of the most harmful things to come out of Reaganism was the attitude that government is the enemy. The founding principle of the US, and what made us the most successful society on earth, is that our government represents the people and is accountable to the people.

    But at least since the civil rights era per C. Caldwell (and I would argue a good deal earlier), we don’t live under the system that the Founders envisioned. Approaching the current Federal Gov. monstrosity with the idea that it represents the Founder’s vision is just Quixotic tilting at windmills. As the Good Book says “And with the perverse thou dost shew thyself contrary.”

  44. @Buzz Mohawk
    EMMETT TILL NEWS ALERT:

    The New York Times reports,


    Mississippi Grand Jury Declines to Indict Woman in Emmett Till Murder Case

    From the report:


    By Rick Rojas
    Aug. 9, 2022

    NASHVILLE — A grand jury in Mississippi examining the case of Emmett Till, a 14-year-old Black boy whose abduction and killing more than six decades ago became a galvanizing force for the civil rights movement, has declined to indict the white woman whose accusations prompted the attack, prosecutors said on Tuesday.

    Jurors in Leflore County in the Mississippi Delta, where Emmett had traveled from Chicago in the summer of 1955, heard more than seven hours of testimony from investigators and witnesses with direct knowledge of the case. Still, prosecutors said, the panel did not find sufficient evidence to indict the woman, Carolyn Bryant Donham, on charges of kidnapping or manslaughter.
     

    Will mostly peaceful protests ensue?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Shel100

    Great news.

  45. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Achmed E. Newman

    One has no obligation to be honest with a government that is doing its best to pound you and your people into the ground!

    But it’s our fucking government, it is our own fault if we have let it it fall under the control of grifters and racial activists.

    One of the most harmful things to come out of Reaganism was the attitude that government is the enemy. The founding principle of the US, and what made us the most successful society on earth, is that our government represents the people and is accountable to the people. When government becomes the adversary we are left with nothing. Fox News and Hobby Lobby aren’t coming to save us. The NRA exists to generates fees for its leadership. The Kochs don’t care how ordinary Americans live. Democratic representative government is the only way to preserve liberty and it is worth saving. The conservative dream that an authoritarian leader is going to ride in and save us is just that - only a dream.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Jack D, @Buzz Mohawk, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Joe Stalin

    The people can only control the elected government but in a modern state the real government is the Permanent Government. Electing Trump (who was about as good as it was going to get) changed very little because it did not change the Permanent Government, which was able to wait Trump out. The Permanent Government is not accountable to the people and it’s almost impossible to get rid of the bureaucratic state. There is no realistic plan by which the right could ever take back the Permanent Government and its sister institutions, Academia, Non-Profits, Media, etc.

    • Agree: Alden
  46. @Twinkie

    In the last chapter, Bernstein makes the same argument as Ann Coulter: that immigrants shouldn’t qualify for affirmative action, which should be restricted to America’s two genuine historic victim groups, official members of American Indian tribes and descendants of American slaves.
     
    That’s better than the status quo, but it’d be better still if we replaced the race-based affirmative action with an income-based one. That way, poor whites and Asians would also qualify. Or we could just make the whole thing color-blind and let the chips fall where they may. Any of these would be better than the monstrosity we have today, which I think is the worst of all worlds.

    Replies: @Arclight, @Jack D, @Buzz Mohawk, @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Agree – making blacks and Natives wards of the state has done neither any good at all. In fact, I’d argue that for blacks it’s been positively catastrophic because it has incentivized their politics to be largely nothing more than securing as much social welfare/lessened standards for their most dysfunctional members as possible. This has resulted in large numbers of blacks whose families have no tradition of self-sufficiency in living memory whatsoever and unleashed previously unimaginable levels of anti-social behavior that imposes massive direct and indirect costs on society every year.

    Unfortunately I doubt we ever move away from race-based affirmative action. There is theoretically the ability to do away with it through the Sailer Strategy but the GOP lacks the brains and guts to go through with it, at least in its present incarnation, and of course the left will fight tooth and nail for its preservation because it’s one of their core organizing principles that has yielded a lot of electoral success.

    • Agree: Alden, Twinkie
  47. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Buzz Mohawk


    Still, prosecutors said, the panel did not find sufficient evidence to indict the woman, Carolyn Bryant Donham, on charges of kidnapping or manslaughter.
     
    Well, no, cause she didn't do any of that. (That doesn't always stop them, I know.)

    Replies: @Curle

    What was the legal theory for either? Deicide?

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  48. @Almost Missouri
    @Altai

    That 15-second clip was so good I clicked through to the YouTube comments to see how it was received: ... everyone is admitting that it's basically true, plus a guy with a Hispanic surname pointing out that the clip didn't have to be taken down because "our people can take a joke".

    Replies: @James J. O'Meara, @Altai

    What’s meta-funny about that is that Frank is usually the “racist uncle at Thanksgiving dinner” character, talking about getting AIDS from hugs and waving guns around. Thus does the truth occasionally slip out unintentionally.

    BTW, has anyone ever noticed/explained how the show takes place in Philly, yet I would say only 3 black faces have ever appeared on screen in 15 seasons? Do they ban blacks from the location shots? Since everyone involved — except Danny DeVito, perhaps — is obviously a shitlib, is this like how shitlibs, despite their vaunted “opinions”, always live in purely White neighborhoods?

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @James J. O'Meara


    What’s meta-funny about that is that Frank is usually the “racist uncle at Thanksgiving dinner” character
     
    In reality, aren't those guys usually right? From Archie Bunker to Eric Cartman to Danny/Frank, they just keep on bringin' it.

    the show takes place in Philly, yet I would say only 3 black faces have ever appeared on screen in 15 seasons?
     
    My kid showed me an episode where one of the protagonists dates a black girl to prove that he's not racist to the white girl who he actually wants to date, or some setup like that. That episode had a lot of blacks in it. I don't know what season it was or the characters' names. I've only seen a few episodes.
  49. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Achmed E. Newman

    One has no obligation to be honest with a government that is doing its best to pound you and your people into the ground!

    But it’s our fucking government, it is our own fault if we have let it it fall under the control of grifters and racial activists.

    One of the most harmful things to come out of Reaganism was the attitude that government is the enemy. The founding principle of the US, and what made us the most successful society on earth, is that our government represents the people and is accountable to the people. When government becomes the adversary we are left with nothing. Fox News and Hobby Lobby aren’t coming to save us. The NRA exists to generates fees for its leadership. The Kochs don’t care how ordinary Americans live. Democratic representative government is the only way to preserve liberty and it is worth saving. The conservative dream that an authoritarian leader is going to ride in and save us is just that - only a dream.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Jack D, @Buzz Mohawk, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Joe Stalin

    One of the most harmful things to come out of Reaganism was the attitude that government is the enemy.

    Reaganism was not about our government being the enemy. It was about our government having gotten too big.

    A bureaucratic nose that pokes into Citizen’s lives is too big.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Citizens' lives dammit. Apostrophe and plural duly noted.

    , @Bill Jones
    @Buzz Mohawk

    https://cdn.locals.com/images/posts/originals/1017968/1017968_ndlx1qn1immywg8.jpeg

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @J.Ross, @Allain

  50. @Twinkie

    In the last chapter, Bernstein makes the same argument as Ann Coulter: that immigrants shouldn’t qualify for affirmative action, which should be restricted to America’s two genuine historic victim groups, official members of American Indian tribes and descendants of American slaves.
     
    That’s better than the status quo, but it’d be better still if we replaced the race-based affirmative action with an income-based one. That way, poor whites and Asians would also qualify. Or we could just make the whole thing color-blind and let the chips fall where they may. Any of these would be better than the monstrosity we have today, which I think is the worst of all worlds.

    Replies: @Arclight, @Jack D, @Buzz Mohawk, @Citizen of a Silly Country

    I think that the current Supreme Ct. is coming for AA very soon. Any sort of racial classification is highly suspect under the Constitution. Up until now, just as with Roe, the Court dishonestly danced around this (“we know this violates the Constitution, but we’re gonna give it a pass anyway, but only for 25 years by which time the blacks will be caught up for sure”) but I don’t think that they are going to do so any more.

    The Court majority takes the Constitution seriously and is not going to be bound by incorrect precedents that invented imaginary Constitutional rights and exceptions to rights in whatever way was most pleasing to the Leftist sentiments of the moment. Grutter v. Bollinger is just as offensive to the Constitution as Plessy was. Equal treatment of the races means equal treatment of the races, the right to keep and bear arms means that you have the right to keep and bear arms, the Constitution doesn’t contain a right to abortion on demand – no more of this Alice in Wonderland crap where black means white and up means down. If the Left wants any of these things, let them amend the Constitution but the words of the one that we have have to be taken to mean what they were intended to mean.

    • Thanks: Buzz Mohawk, J.Ross
    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Jack D

    Magic Dirt meet Magic Words.

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Jack D

    That Would Be Nice

    , @Corvinus
    @Jack D

    “The Court majority takes the Constitution seriously”

    As past courts have as well.

    “and is not going to be bound by incorrect precedents”

    According to Who/Whom?

    “Grutter v. Bollinger is just as offensive to the Constitution as Plessy was.”

    Who are you trying to bamboozle? Plessy was patently odious.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Curle

  51. Come on, just give the role to Lin-Manuel Miranda!

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Anon

    Give the role to Justin Trudeau.


    http://www.theamericanmirror.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Trudeau-Castro-crop.jpg

    Replies: @Cutler

  52. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Peter Akuleyev


    One of the most harmful things to come out of Reaganism was the attitude that government is the enemy.
     
    Reaganism was not about our government being the enemy. It was about our government having gotten too big.

    A bureaucratic nose that pokes into Citizen's lives is too big.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Bill Jones

    Citizens’ lives dammit. Apostrophe and plural duly noted.

  53. @Achmed E. Newman
    Yes, White people have been "strikingly honest". We are strikingly honest in all sorts of ways as compared to all other check-boxes of people. I was taught (by example) to be, and try to be honest in dealings with people. The thing is, Steve, Governments are NOT people.

    One has no obligation to be honest with a government that is doing its best to pound you and your people into the ground! In fact, under this oppressive system, you have a duty not to be. It's amazing that people have put up with this obviously unfair, unConstitutional system for over half a century now, when the only "rational master plan" since the overturning of the Right to Association has been for a colorblind system. (I guess judging by character didn't work out, and too many kids got beat up in school to continue like that...)

    I'm sure that Mr. Bernstein's book is entertaining, and I might even pick it up as a how-to book (and how NOT-to). I'll fight the oppression any way that works, and that's not just AA, either.

    BTW, both the links on this post (in The Unz Review, that is) go to some tweet. I just went straight to Takimag.com. Also in para. 5 "... things just sort of growed from there.". Ha! And you used "Oriental" to distinguish from •Indian. Thank you!

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Bill Jones

    How many of these are “White People”?
    Not much striking honesty here.

    Every Single Senate Democrat Just Voted Against Defining Pregnancy As A Biologically Female Process

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/every-single-senate-democrat-just-voted-against-defining-pregnancy-biologically-female

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Bill Jones

    Politicians, Bill? I was referring to White people.

  54. any nation controlled by Spain during the colonial period is considered Hispanic…most of the American mainland was once controlled by Spain…so just claim to be Hispanic

  55. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Peter Akuleyev


    One of the most harmful things to come out of Reaganism was the attitude that government is the enemy.
     
    Reaganism was not about our government being the enemy. It was about our government having gotten too big.

    A bureaucratic nose that pokes into Citizen's lives is too big.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Bill Jones

    • Thanks: J.Ross
    • LOL: Hibernian
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Bill Jones

    They still owe me money. Maybe there will finally be enough government goldbrickers to send it to me.

    , @J.Ross
    @Bill Jones

    Half the British Army, nearly one US field army, three times the recruits accepted every year at Parris Island, or a little under half the total active duty personnel for France or Germany. To answer your questions, which anyone who has listened to the phone call knows they are legally not responsible for.

    , @Allain
    @Bill Jones

    Exactly who is this army of revenooers coming after? The IRS has long operated as bureaucratic predators, targeting the easy pickings of little guys who can hardly afford to defend themselves. They rarely go after the big guys who have their own armies of lawyers and accountants. I suspect this (mal)practice will intensify, with the increased targeting of small businesses that are already reeling from worker shortages and supply chain issues. The net result will be to drive many of them out of business, much to the satisfaction of big business and its superstate BFF.

  56. Affirmative action executive order by Republican Richard Nixon specifically states Spain and any country ever colonized by Spain.

    A group of persons Mexican ethnicity living in America later succeeded in banning Portugal, Brazil, Angola , Goa and other former Portuguese colonies from affirmative action.

    Another group of persons of Mexican ethnicity living in America succeed in banning from affirmative action is “ women who acquired an Hispanic or Spanish surname through marriage. How quaint, and homo and transphobic that was . The very words women and marriage. How not woke those words are.

    Now that’s the law. How it’s applied depends on no one knows what. I do know a woman who acquired her Spanish surname through marriage. And she was plucked from the lowest level and rushed through promotion after promotion till she soon became deputy chief of her county agency.

    And many with Portuguese surnames just check the Hispanic box and get a life long tenure plus promotions affirmative action job. So do many people with Italian surnames. As the Spanish surname all HR and EEOC and state fair employment practices agencies care about.

  57. @Twinkie

    In the last chapter, Bernstein makes the same argument as Ann Coulter: that immigrants shouldn’t qualify for affirmative action, which should be restricted to America’s two genuine historic victim groups, official members of American Indian tribes and descendants of American slaves.
     
    That’s better than the status quo, but it’d be better still if we replaced the race-based affirmative action with an income-based one. That way, poor whites and Asians would also qualify. Or we could just make the whole thing color-blind and let the chips fall where they may. Any of these would be better than the monstrosity we have today, which I think is the worst of all worlds.

    Replies: @Arclight, @Jack D, @Buzz Mohawk, @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Your words “the monstrosity that we have today” are apropos. As I mentioned with regard to the meaning of Reaganism, our government isn’t in itself evil; it is too big. We have agencies, laws, add-ons and yes, even Supreme Court edicts that are not in the Constitution.

    What is not expressly written into the Constitution is reserved for the People and their states as the People of those states see fit. THAT is in the Constitution.

    I hope Jack is right and the high court is ready to sack AA. (Imagine the mostly peaceful protests that would bring on.)

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Buzz Mohawk


    What is not expressly written into the Constitution is reserved for the People and their states as the People of those states see fit. THAT is in the Constitution.
     
    Emasculation of the 10th Amendment has been one of the great travesties that has derailed the Republic by shutting down truly democratic experiments and preventing voting with the feet.
  58. @Bill Jones
    @Buzz Mohawk

    https://cdn.locals.com/images/posts/originals/1017968/1017968_ndlx1qn1immywg8.jpeg

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @J.Ross, @Allain

    They still owe me money. Maybe there will finally be enough government goldbrickers to send it to me.

  59. @Almost Missouri
    @Altai

    That 15-second clip was so good I clicked through to the YouTube comments to see how it was received: ... everyone is admitting that it's basically true, plus a guy with a Hispanic surname pointing out that the clip didn't have to be taken down because "our people can take a joke".

    Replies: @James J. O'Meara, @Altai

    It’s also worth noting that lots of Maya people survive today with little to no European admixture. So they didn’t actually go extinct through admixture, not all of them ‘turned into Mexicans’.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_peoples

  60. @Anon
    Come on, just give the role to Lin-Manuel Miranda!

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    Give the role to Justin Trudeau.

    • Replies: @Cutler
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Liam Neeson looks like Fidel

  61. @Peter Johnson
    @Corvinus

    Your statement: "Most Americans, except for recent immigrants, are probably descended from multiple geographic, ethnic, and racial origins " is not really accurate and depends upon the definition of "multiple geographic, ethnic and racial origins". Defining European as a geographic, ethnic and racial origin, the vast majority of White Americans are 100% European with no admixture. Not all White Americans, of course, but a very substantial majority, have no other ancestry. I am not trying to make any value statement, just a factual one about genetic ancestry. Inter-racial mixing is fine and proper, but it only had a substantive impact on White Americans in very recent decades. Not true for Black Americans who have strong admixture across continental ancestries.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    It’s not my statement, it’s one from a source I cited. Besides, European is not a race nor an ethnic group. Rather, it consists of distinct groups of people. So white Americans typically classify themselves as being Slavic, or Italian, or Finnish, rather than European. And we also know the origin of those ethnic groups can be traced back to the Middle East and parts of Asia.

  62. @dearieme
    because Gibraltarians drink too much tea to be Hispanic

    Back in the 1980s a Spanish government minister demanded Gibraltar be handed over because Britain had broken a term in the treaty that made Gib a British possession, to wit an agreement that neither Moors nor Jews be allowed to live in Gib.

    He pointed out that the then Chief Minister in the Gib government, Sir Joshua Hassan, was both a Moor and a Jew.

    I can't remember another example of a European government in the 80s explicitly basing policy on an anti-semitic argument.

    (Mind you, using the old, wide meaning of "Moor", I'll bet the French government wished that its predecessors had based policy on anti-Moor sentiment.)

    Replies: @Dave7609

    What is the “old, wide meaning of Moor?” The term Moor has been used to refer to North Africans, sub-Saharan Africans (i.e. blackamoor) and even to generic Muslims. (Ie Filipino Moors). The word Moor is one of the most confusing words in the English language. Moor seems to have a different definition every time you read it.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Dave7609

    In addition to that, there's a whole bunch of surnames based on the word, to denote someone with vaguely Moorish looks. The names Moore, Moreau, Morel, etc. are so common that anybody with dark hair would seem to qualify.

  63. @Redneck farmer
    You have to admit, it is funny watching someone of obvious European genetics claim to be metzio.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    You have to admit, it is funny watching someone of obvious European genetics claim to be metzio.

    That takes some (((balls))), doesn’t it?

    • Thanks: Redneck farmer
  64. Steve writing back in 2013:


    https://www.unz.com/isteve/portuguese-americans-against-being/

    […]
    The Obama Administration had better fix this quick and declare Tom Hanks Hispanic. Then, Tom would be a great Democratic Presidential nominee against Marco Rubio in 2016.

    (By the way, according to a classic article by the Pew Hispanic Center, legally, anybody is Hispanic who feels like saying they are Hispanic.)

    The Pew link from 2009 automatically bounces to an updated 2021 page. Here’s an archived link to the original 2009 Pew page: https://archive.ph/QpfJ0

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @MEH 0910

    This used to be true -- "Hispanic" is a language and cultural group, not a hereditary ethny or geographical range (cf Bantu, French, Arabic, Turkic, Slavic, and I guess Lusitanic), so anyone who learned fluent Spanish and partook of Spanish cultural practices (such as the cuisine) was fully authentically Hispanic. However, some Dolezal types recently spoiled it. It might still be locally viable (cf Hodag's Plan Argentine) given serious efforts, which are well within the reach of good students.

  65. From what I’ve read here, it seems that Bernstein has deliberately avoided to speak about Jews, even where it would have seemed natural – like, in the MENA question, or in the history of classification by number of ancestors (German “Halb-, Viertel- und Achteljude”). Am I right insofar?
    There are,or were, of course niches where Jews are/were granted advantages as Jews, mostly in New York.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Stogumber

    No, Bernstein writes a moderate amount about Jews, maybe 5-10% of his book. I used his example about the Jewish media baron who got to be a Hispanic for tax break purposes.

    , @Anon
    @Stogumber


    There are,or were, of course niches where Jews are/were granted advantages as Jews, mostly in New York.
     
    Jews can often claim advantages as “Hispanics,” as “Latin Americans,” as “Africans,” or as Middle Easterners.
  66. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Achmed E. Newman

    One has no obligation to be honest with a government that is doing its best to pound you and your people into the ground!

    But it’s our fucking government, it is our own fault if we have let it it fall under the control of grifters and racial activists.

    One of the most harmful things to come out of Reaganism was the attitude that government is the enemy. The founding principle of the US, and what made us the most successful society on earth, is that our government represents the people and is accountable to the people. When government becomes the adversary we are left with nothing. Fox News and Hobby Lobby aren’t coming to save us. The NRA exists to generates fees for its leadership. The Kochs don’t care how ordinary Americans live. Democratic representative government is the only way to preserve liberty and it is worth saving. The conservative dream that an authoritarian leader is going to ride in and save us is just that - only a dream.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Jack D, @Buzz Mohawk, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Joe Stalin

    “it’s our fucking government, it is our own fault if we have let it it fall under the control of grifters and racial activists.”

    As a wise man once said, “A small bunch of dedicated fanatics will always triumph over people who just want to be left alone.”

    The default mode for sane people is just wanting to be left alone. Unfortunately the fanatics have seen to it that that is no longer an option.

    In high school physics class, we had to design a momentum-accurate rollercoaster which would glide to a smooth halt at the end. As a joke I submitted a rollercoaster which was effectively a flat-railed railroad. But I also submitted an actual rollercoaster. Eventually you’ll all have to, too.

    • Agree: Rob McX
  67. @MEH 0910
    Steve writing back in 2013:

    https://twitter.com/vdare/status/307581575493734400
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/portuguese-americans-against-being/

    [...]
    The Obama Administration had better fix this quick and declare Tom Hanks Hispanic. Then, Tom would be a great Democratic Presidential nominee against Marco Rubio in 2016.

    (By the way, according to a classic article by the Pew Hispanic Center, legally, anybody is Hispanic who feels like saying they are Hispanic.)
     
    The Pew link from 2009 automatically bounces to an updated 2021 page. Here's an archived link to the original 2009 Pew page: https://archive.ph/QpfJ0

    Replies: @J.Ross

    This used to be true — “Hispanic” is a language and cultural group, not a hereditary ethny or geographical range (cf Bantu, French, Arabic, Turkic, Slavic, and I guess Lusitanic), so anyone who learned fluent Spanish and partook of Spanish cultural practices (such as the cuisine) was fully authentically Hispanic. However, some Dolezal types recently spoiled it. It might still be locally viable (cf Hodag’s Plan Argentine) given serious efforts, which are well within the reach of good students.

  68. @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    I think that the current Supreme Ct. is coming for AA very soon. Any sort of racial classification is highly suspect under the Constitution. Up until now, just as with Roe, the Court dishonestly danced around this ("we know this violates the Constitution, but we're gonna give it a pass anyway, but only for 25 years by which time the blacks will be caught up for sure") but I don't think that they are going to do so any more.

    The Court majority takes the Constitution seriously and is not going to be bound by incorrect precedents that invented imaginary Constitutional rights and exceptions to rights in whatever way was most pleasing to the Leftist sentiments of the moment. Grutter v. Bollinger is just as offensive to the Constitution as Plessy was. Equal treatment of the races means equal treatment of the races, the right to keep and bear arms means that you have the right to keep and bear arms, the Constitution doesn't contain a right to abortion on demand - no more of this Alice in Wonderland crap where black means white and up means down. If the Left wants any of these things, let them amend the Constitution but the words of the one that we have have to be taken to mean what they were intended to mean.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Almost Missouri, @Corvinus

    Magic Dirt meet Magic Words.

  69. @Twinkie

    In the last chapter, Bernstein makes the same argument as Ann Coulter: that immigrants shouldn’t qualify for affirmative action, which should be restricted to America’s two genuine historic victim groups, official members of American Indian tribes and descendants of American slaves.
     
    That’s better than the status quo, but it’d be better still if we replaced the race-based affirmative action with an income-based one. That way, poor whites and Asians would also qualify. Or we could just make the whole thing color-blind and let the chips fall where they may. Any of these would be better than the monstrosity we have today, which I think is the worst of all worlds.

    Replies: @Arclight, @Jack D, @Buzz Mohawk, @Citizen of a Silly Country

    What we have fits quite naturally in a multi-racial society. Each groups fights for its slice of the pie.

    I can understand your desire for a colorblind world, but it’s simply never been the natural way that humans have organized. Never – at least not for very long.

    Nature isn’t colorblind.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Citizen of a Silly Country


    I can understand your desire for a colorblind world, but it’s simply never been the natural way that humans have organized. Never – at least not for very long.

    Nature isn’t colorblind.
     
    The main problem you seem to have here is confounding and conflating the term. "Color-blind" in this context refers to legality. And, yes, I do think it makes for a better and a more just society when individuals are legally treated as individuals without reference to their race or ethnicity. Moreover, we haven't had that kind of a legal structure for decades now. So, blaming the failures of the legally highly color-aware society of the past fifty plus years on "color-blind civic nationalism" is both incorrect and disingenuous.

    I should note that *I* am not "color-blind," nor do I expect others to be. Yes, nature is not oblivious to race. But race is only one, albeit important, component of what "nature" (or society or culture) is. You erroneously and falsely paint me as an IQ-fetishist, but you make the error of being a race-fetishist in thinking that it is the only causal element in the equation.

    I am not someone who is given to monocausal explanations. To the extent that I have a model for a just, harmonious, and happy society, it is what I call a communitarian one. And, yes, race is a part of that equation, a big part. But it's not the only part. Things such as religion, common civic culture, strength of non-government civic institutions (the "little platoons" of intersecting and concentric social groups), language, etc. all play robust roles in either complimenting or contradicting the effects of race on society.

    My father-in-law was a Midwestern white of a specific ancestral makeup (English-Irish, German, and Swedish). He had a greater genetic similarity with his white Midwestern neighbors than he did with my children, his grandchildren who are 1/2 East Asian. Yet, he loved his grandchildren more than his own life and loved them in a way that he never would his own neighbors who were, according to you, his "extended family." Because they had his love and share his actual lineage, it is they who will inherit his property and legacy, not the supposedly "extended family member" who lived across the street.

    Or, for that matter, one of the neighbors of whom he was quite fond was mostly Italian and Greek in ancestry. He looked like a different phenotype of a white than my father-in-law, reflecting the divergent ancestries. Yet he cared about his neighbor a heck of a lot more than he did his distant cousins who lived 1,000 miles away who was genetically closer to him than the neighbor.

    This is but one example of how your "race is extended family" metaphor fails in how human beings actually form close-knit social affiliations and bonds. The fact of the matter is that minority groups that are small in number will likely have higher social cohesion and draw a greater sense of a community from that minority status. That, too, is "natural." However, the larger the (racial) group in question and the more diffuse the shared ancestries, lineages, social affiliations, distances, etc. the weaker the role of that grouping (in this case, race) will be. And the same goes for other social classifications such as shared religion or military service, etc.

    Reality is more complex than you assert. To repeat, yes, race is very important, especially in the larger social context, but it isn't the only important variable.
  70. @Bill Jones
    @Buzz Mohawk

    https://cdn.locals.com/images/posts/originals/1017968/1017968_ndlx1qn1immywg8.jpeg

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @J.Ross, @Allain

    Half the British Army, nearly one US field army, three times the recruits accepted every year at Parris Island, or a little under half the total active duty personnel for France or Germany. To answer your questions, which anyone who has listened to the phone call knows they are legally not responsible for.

  71. @slumber_j

    Due to Nixon’s brainstorm, we’ve now managed to socially construct a population that has a hard time seeing with their own eyes that Fidel Castro was white
     
    Castro's mother's native Canaries are a bit of a hodgepodge racially speaking, although people there typically look about like Andalusians in my experience--white with some North African and other pan-Mediterranean stuff thrown in or whatever.

    The population of Galicia, Castro's father's homeland in Spain's far northwest corner, is a lot whiter-looking. Which makes sense: Galicia is called that because of its original Gaelicness. When you're gazing out to sea at the Iron Age coastal settlement of Castro de Baroña up there, things start feeling pretty Irish.

    Replies: @Iberian, @Ian Smith, @Anonymous Jew

    Personally, my definition of ‘White’ is pretty broad (any Caucasian with pale skin). That said, Many Southern Euro populations are a few % Black African due to the Moors, Rome etc.

    I don’t really care how others classify White, and I’m fine with being excluded. But given the state we’re in – at least from a strategic perspective – it probably makes sense to make the White America tent pretty big. I don’t see any secessionist movement being more successful by excluding patriotic Sicilians and Jews or even pale Mexicans. And the chances of success are already vanishingly small as it is.

  72. @Bill Jones
    @Buzz Mohawk

    https://cdn.locals.com/images/posts/originals/1017968/1017968_ndlx1qn1immywg8.jpeg

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @J.Ross, @Allain

    Exactly who is this army of revenooers coming after? The IRS has long operated as bureaucratic predators, targeting the easy pickings of little guys who can hardly afford to defend themselves. They rarely go after the big guys who have their own armies of lawyers and accountants. I suspect this (mal)practice will intensify, with the increased targeting of small businesses that are already reeling from worker shortages and supply chain issues. The net result will be to drive many of them out of business, much to the satisfaction of big business and its superstate BFF.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  73. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Achmed E. Newman

    One has no obligation to be honest with a government that is doing its best to pound you and your people into the ground!

    But it’s our fucking government, it is our own fault if we have let it it fall under the control of grifters and racial activists.

    One of the most harmful things to come out of Reaganism was the attitude that government is the enemy. The founding principle of the US, and what made us the most successful society on earth, is that our government represents the people and is accountable to the people. When government becomes the adversary we are left with nothing. Fox News and Hobby Lobby aren’t coming to save us. The NRA exists to generates fees for its leadership. The Kochs don’t care how ordinary Americans live. Democratic representative government is the only way to preserve liberty and it is worth saving. The conservative dream that an authoritarian leader is going to ride in and save us is just that - only a dream.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Jack D, @Buzz Mohawk, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Joe Stalin

    The founding principle of the US, and what made us the most successful society on earth, is that our government represents the people and is accountable to the people.

    Wrong CivNat. What made the US so successful was the people who settled this country. The government was simply a reflection of the culture of that people – overwhelmingly Anglo-Saxons who had the nuts to carve out a nation from the wilderness.

    Just as there’s no Magic Dirt, there’s no Magic Culture or Magic Constitution. It’s unbelievable how commentators on an HBD site can’t understand how important biology is to the culture and government of a society. Those Anglo-American values withstood a very tough test when we allowed in Germans, Italians, Irish and other Europeans, but because of their similar biology, we mostly keep those values intact.

    Let’s make it simple:

    Government is down stream from culture which is downstream from biology. Change the biology, and, eventually, you change the government. We stupidly changed the biology of the US over the past 50 years, and now, we’ll pay the price.

    • Agree: Rob McX
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Citizen is actually right, although he's a bit snide: if you look at the "founding principles" of almost all modern countries, they're as consistently noble as any corporate mission statement. But some people stuck to those principles and some people didn't.

  74. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Twinkie

    Your words "the monstrosity that we have today" are apropos. As I mentioned with regard to the meaning of Reaganism, our government isn't in itself evil; it is too big. We have agencies, laws, add-ons and yes, even Supreme Court edicts that are not in the Constitution.

    What is not expressly written into the Constitution is reserved for the People and their states as the People of those states see fit. THAT is in the Constitution.

    I hope Jack is right and the high court is ready to sack AA. (Imagine the mostly peaceful protests that would bring on.)

    Replies: @Twinkie

    What is not expressly written into the Constitution is reserved for the People and their states as the People of those states see fit. THAT is in the Constitution.

    Emasculation of the 10th Amendment has been one of the great travesties that has derailed the Republic by shutting down truly democratic experiments and preventing voting with the feet.

  75. A most interesting case is Tom Brady’s younger children. Are they hispanic if their mother was born in Brazil of German ancestry? Gisele both speaks Portugese and Spanish apparently.

    As to the Ivy league if you look hard enough they literally scour the world for privileged whites, e.g.

    https://yalebulldogs.com/sports/mens-crew/roster

  76. My mother was a 1st generation Mexican American. Her parents had strolled across the Rio Grande in the early 1900s, settled in West Texas, worked and raised a family. My father was a crazy, East Texas hillbilly who met my mom at college post-WWII. They married ( I’ve often wondered who he wanted to piss off), then moved to Chicago where I was born and raised with my sisters.

    We did not learn Spanglish since my dad was an Anglo and he didn’t speak it. Whenever questions of nationality came up my mom always stressed we were Americans. Aside from the occasional pot of menudo, tamales at Christmas, and being raised Roman Catholic our home was not particularly Mexican. I’ve always had more of an affinity with my dad’s cultural baggage. Country/Western music, a shot and a beer, etc. So I have never really felt very Hispanic. The only time I will refer to my ethnic background is when I think it may annoy someone. Back in Illinois I bought a Mexican flag and put it out on Mexican holidays to irritate my transplanted South Side Chicago asshole neighbor. I can make a pretty mean pan of enchiladas but I really prefer chicken-fried steak with mashed potatoes and gravy and fried okra.

    Call me a race denier, I could care less. I’m true to both sides in my own way. I honestly don’t think in terms of race. I am an American.

    • Thanks: Hibernian
    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Enemy of Earth

    OK, but I think you missed the chance to learn Spanish. It's always better to know more....

    Replies: @Anon, @Enemy of Earth

  77. @Ralph L
    The link goes to your twitter, not Takimag.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    https://www.takimag.com/article/is-the-pope-hispanic/

    The Taki link, if anyone cares.

    I find Twitter just annoying. I get the “marketplace of ideas” thing. But the tiny bits, chopped multiple posts for anything explanatory, crappy interface for actual discussion and then the incessant bleat to login or create an account. No thanks.

    Let’s have a better idea marketplace.

    • Replies: @CCG
    @AnotherDad

    Switch to Gab.

  78. @Stogumber
    From what I've read here, it seems that Bernstein has deliberately avoided to speak about Jews, even where it would have seemed natural - like, in the MENA question, or in the history of classification by number of ancestors (German "Halb-, Viertel- und Achteljude"). Am I right insofar?
    There are,or were, of course niches where Jews are/were granted advantages as Jews, mostly in New York.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anon

    No, Bernstein writes a moderate amount about Jews, maybe 5-10% of his book. I used his example about the Jewish media baron who got to be a Hispanic for tax break purposes.

  79. @Meretricious
    Except ... except... FRANCO LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE CASTRO!

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    Except … except… FRANCO LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE CASTRO!

    Tovarisch, you are hung up on the notion of bourgeois truth, i.e. correspondence with reality. But what is significant is Revolutionary truth , i.e. that which furthers the aims of the Revolution. I hope that clears matters up .

    • LOL: Hibernian
  80. @Bardon Kaldian
    Twitter>Taki

    The entire Hispanic stuff is absurd. If they want "race", then introduce Mestizo & it better has the Mestizo looks - not Univision nonsense or Mexican weather forecast:

    https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/8a4414213333c3804183aa593df6de3432526e3a/c=0-73-1432-882/local/-/media/2017/09/06/USATODAY/USATODAY/636402843629449492-DAVIDMARISUNV-1512.jpg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePG6zUYvUZg

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @AnotherDad

    I hope that weather gal has been smart enough to use her good looks to snag a smart, handsome, kind physics graduate student before her looks go.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @AnotherDad

    https://www.wiki-global.org/yanet-garcia/

  81. @Prester John
    What, exactly, is the difference between "Hispanic" and "Latino" (fm. "Latina"). This subject is all very confusing. Who came up with the word "Latino" for example? The word "Latino" (and the feminine version "Latina") is obviously derived from the root word "Latin"--which is a language. By that reasoning a person who is of the following extractions would qualify as "Latino": French, Portuguese, Spanish, Romanian, Catalan, Sardinian, Sicilian, Occitanian and Galician. There may be others i.e. Moldavian but I think the point is made.

    "Ideas Have Consequences", wrote Richard Weaver. So do words.

    Replies: @ForeverCARealist

    English is heavily Latin too.

  82. @Iberian
    @slumber_j

    Southern Iberians (or southern Italians, or Greeks, or whatever) are not less “white “ than northerner Iberians;
    They are simply a distinct combination of the same admixture of Earl Europeian Farmers and Ancestral North Eurasians, that all West Eurasians came from;
    Unless you think that the English are less white than Swedish, or something…

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @slumber_j, @Buzz Mohawk, @Cutler

    Unless you think that the English are less white than Swedish

    Of course they are. Typical renaissance Englishwoman …

    • Replies: @Ian Smith
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Henry VIII be like:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HfuWe1N09qI

  83. @AnotherDad
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I hope that weather gal has been smart enough to use her good looks to snag a smart, handsome, kind physics graduate student before her looks go.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

  84. @Enemy of Earth
    My mother was a 1st generation Mexican American. Her parents had strolled across the Rio Grande in the early 1900s, settled in West Texas, worked and raised a family. My father was a crazy, East Texas hillbilly who met my mom at college post-WWII. They married ( I've often wondered who he wanted to piss off), then moved to Chicago where I was born and raised with my sisters.

    We did not learn Spanglish since my dad was an Anglo and he didn't speak it. Whenever questions of nationality came up my mom always stressed we were Americans. Aside from the occasional pot of menudo, tamales at Christmas, and being raised Roman Catholic our home was not particularly Mexican. I've always had more of an affinity with my dad's cultural baggage. Country/Western music, a shot and a beer, etc. So I have never really felt very Hispanic. The only time I will refer to my ethnic background is when I think it may annoy someone. Back in Illinois I bought a Mexican flag and put it out on Mexican holidays to irritate my transplanted South Side Chicago asshole neighbor. I can make a pretty mean pan of enchiladas but I really prefer chicken-fried steak with mashed potatoes and gravy and fried okra.

    Call me a race denier, I could care less. I'm true to both sides in my own way. I honestly don't think in terms of race. I am an American.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    OK, but I think you missed the chance to learn Spanish. It’s always better to know more….

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Bardon Kaldian


    OK, but I think you missed the chance to learn Spanish. It’s always better to know more….
     
    No, that would have made him less American, which wouldn’t be better for anyone.
    , @Enemy of Earth
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I agree it's usually better to know more. I've always been fond of dead, White languages so I have dug into Latin and Greek. Have never looked to be conversant. With whom would I talk? I like them in relation to the origin of words and I like being able to look at the Latin Vulgate and make some sense of what I'm looking at.

    I've never regretted not learning Spanish. I live in the US and English is the native language. If I moved to a Spanish speaking country I hope I would be polite and respectful enough to learn the native tongue. My maternal grandmother lived in this country for over seventy years and never bothered to speak English though I suspect she understood it just fine. She was just a cantankerous, old bat and I thought she was rather bad mannered not to speak to her grandchildren in their own language.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

  85. @Stogumber
    From what I've read here, it seems that Bernstein has deliberately avoided to speak about Jews, even where it would have seemed natural - like, in the MENA question, or in the history of classification by number of ancestors (German "Halb-, Viertel- und Achteljude"). Am I right insofar?
    There are,or were, of course niches where Jews are/were granted advantages as Jews, mostly in New York.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anon

    There are,or were, of course niches where Jews are/were granted advantages as Jews, mostly in New York.

    Jews can often claim advantages as “Hispanics,” as “Latin Americans,” as “Africans,” or as Middle Easterners.

  86. @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    I think that the current Supreme Ct. is coming for AA very soon. Any sort of racial classification is highly suspect under the Constitution. Up until now, just as with Roe, the Court dishonestly danced around this ("we know this violates the Constitution, but we're gonna give it a pass anyway, but only for 25 years by which time the blacks will be caught up for sure") but I don't think that they are going to do so any more.

    The Court majority takes the Constitution seriously and is not going to be bound by incorrect precedents that invented imaginary Constitutional rights and exceptions to rights in whatever way was most pleasing to the Leftist sentiments of the moment. Grutter v. Bollinger is just as offensive to the Constitution as Plessy was. Equal treatment of the races means equal treatment of the races, the right to keep and bear arms means that you have the right to keep and bear arms, the Constitution doesn't contain a right to abortion on demand - no more of this Alice in Wonderland crap where black means white and up means down. If the Left wants any of these things, let them amend the Constitution but the words of the one that we have have to be taken to mean what they were intended to mean.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Almost Missouri, @Corvinus

    That Would Be Nice

  87. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Enemy of Earth

    OK, but I think you missed the chance to learn Spanish. It's always better to know more....

    Replies: @Anon, @Enemy of Earth

    OK, but I think you missed the chance to learn Spanish. It’s always better to know more….

    No, that would have made him less American, which wouldn’t be better for anyone.

  88. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Enemy of Earth

    OK, but I think you missed the chance to learn Spanish. It's always better to know more....

    Replies: @Anon, @Enemy of Earth

    I agree it’s usually better to know more. I’ve always been fond of dead, White languages so I have dug into Latin and Greek. Have never looked to be conversant. With whom would I talk? I like them in relation to the origin of words and I like being able to look at the Latin Vulgate and make some sense of what I’m looking at.

    I’ve never regretted not learning Spanish. I live in the US and English is the native language. If I moved to a Spanish speaking country I hope I would be polite and respectful enough to learn the native tongue. My maternal grandmother lived in this country for over seventy years and never bothered to speak English though I suspect she understood it just fine. She was just a cantankerous, old bat and I thought she was rather bad mannered not to speak to her grandchildren in their own language.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Enemy of Earth

    Why not be bilingual?

    Replies: @Enemy of Earth

  89. @Coag
    I wonder what these Latinx complainers think of the casting decision of the lovely (and brunette and brown eyed) Ana de Armas as Marilyn Monroe in the new movie “Blonde”.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    If she bleaches her hair blonde and wears blue tinted contact lenses, why not? Nobody has to watch the film who doesn’t want to.

    • Replies: @CCG
    @Hibernian

    The real Marilyn Monroe also bleached her hair. But obvious contact lenses may be a distraction. Also, Ana de Armas is clearly a castiza, if not a full-blown criolla.

  90. @anonymous
    If you’ve ever spent any time at Volokh, you know that Bernstein would call Steve a “racist” for his use of black crime stats.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    I don’t think he posts there much, if at all, anymore.

  91. @AnotherDad
    @Ralph L


    https://www.takimag.com/article/is-the-pope-hispanic/
     
    The Taki link, if anyone cares.

    I find Twitter just annoying. I get the "marketplace of ideas" thing. But the tiny bits, chopped multiple posts for anything explanatory, crappy interface for actual discussion and then the incessant bleat to login or create an account. No thanks.

    Let's have a better idea marketplace.

    Replies: @CCG

    Switch to Gab.

  92. @Hibernian
    @Coag

    If she bleaches her hair blonde and wears blue tinted contact lenses, why not? Nobody has to watch the film who doesn't want to.

    Replies: @CCG

    The real Marilyn Monroe also bleached her hair. But obvious contact lenses may be a distraction. Also, Ana de Armas is clearly a castiza, if not a full-blown criolla.

  93. So many Italians went to Argentina around 1900, that one time when the Argentinian economy was in the doldrums, Italy actively tried to recruit second- and third-generation emigrants to return to Italy…

  94. @James J. O'Meara
    @Almost Missouri

    What's meta-funny about that is that Frank is usually the "racist uncle at Thanksgiving dinner" character, talking about getting AIDS from hugs and waving guns around. Thus does the truth occasionally slip out unintentionally.

    BTW, has anyone ever noticed/explained how the show takes place in Philly, yet I would say only 3 black faces have ever appeared on screen in 15 seasons? Do they ban blacks from the location shots? Since everyone involved -- except Danny DeVito, perhaps -- is obviously a shitlib, is this like how shitlibs, despite their vaunted "opinions", always live in purely White neighborhoods?

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    What’s meta-funny about that is that Frank is usually the “racist uncle at Thanksgiving dinner” character

    In reality, aren’t those guys usually right? From Archie Bunker to Eric Cartman to Danny/Frank, they just keep on bringin’ it.

    the show takes place in Philly, yet I would say only 3 black faces have ever appeared on screen in 15 seasons?

    My kid showed me an episode where one of the protagonists dates a black girl to prove that he’s not racist to the white girl who he actually wants to date, or some setup like that. That episode had a lot of blacks in it. I don’t know what season it was or the characters’ names. I’ve only seen a few episodes.

  95. @Anonymous
    Steve,

    The reason why the French so signally refuse to collect racial and ethnic data on French citizens has nothing to do with high faluting 'principles' and 'individualism', no, rather it is the result of the deep shame and embarrassment of the Vichy government handing over official documentation, which included religious affiliation, to the German occupiers of France.

    Replies: @Red Connor

    Oh, did they really?

    Thanks.

    Now I won’t sleep all night.

  96. Whaddaya call someone with an Italian last name who speaks Spanish, looks German, acts French, and wishes he were English?

    (drum roll…)

    An ARGENTINE!

  97. True story: a person I know (100% ethnic European French) married a spouse from a rich Brazilian Portuguese family. White, blond, aristocrats for 400 years. One spouse is a big-time architect, other is a Fortune 500 executive. Did their kids check the “Hispanic” box when it came time to apply to college? Yes! So now two Ivy League schools have these Fauxspanics, these Fraudtinos, “diversifying” their campuses, while some white kid with a funny East European name from a long line of steelworkers and miners goes to State U. because he’s not Fauxspanic. And don’t get me started on the Nigerian petroleum engineer who drives up to his kids’ games in a giant Mercedes SUV – a Mercedes he bought with the \$\$\$ he saved when his mediocre kids got full rides to every school to which they applied…

  98. @Ian Smith
    @slumber_j

    I thought Castro was Basque, therefore an Ur-European.

    Replies: @slumber_j

    I don’t think he was Basque–not as far as I know. Galicia is just above Portugal over there on the upper-left of Iberia, pretty far to the west of Basqueland.

  99. @Iberian
    @slumber_j

    Southern Iberians (or southern Italians, or Greeks, or whatever) are not less “white “ than northerner Iberians;
    They are simply a distinct combination of the same admixture of Earl Europeian Farmers and Ancestral North Eurasians, that all West Eurasians came from;
    Unless you think that the English are less white than Swedish, or something…

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @slumber_j, @Buzz Mohawk, @Cutler

    Southern Iberians (or southern Italians, or Greeks, or whatever) are not less “white “ than northerner Iberians

    Not my argument. They’re not less “white” as you put it, but they are less white. As in, their skin is often browner. You’ll note if you’re being careful that I said “whiter-looking,” which oddly enough is what I meant to say.

  100. @Iberian
    @slumber_j

    Southern Iberians (or southern Italians, or Greeks, or whatever) are not less “white “ than northerner Iberians;
    They are simply a distinct combination of the same admixture of Earl Europeian Farmers and Ancestral North Eurasians, that all West Eurasians came from;
    Unless you think that the English are less white than Swedish, or something…

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @slumber_j, @Buzz Mohawk, @Cutler

    Hey listen, my White friend: This is the conundrum that the most clever of our enemies use against us. They like to gaslight us into believing that we are not a race. They do this by pointing out the subtle, historic differentiations among us. They try to divide and conquer us. We do not fall for this con. We are Europeans. We are a race called “White.”

    By identifying as something, together, we confirm that we are something, together — and that no outsiders can deny us this God given element of what we are.

    slumber j was referring to color appearance. He is correct, and you misunderstood him because you have been exposed to the propaganda that divides us.

    Our race actually displays the most color of any. WE are the true People of Color.

    • Replies: @Cutler
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Correct

    , @JackOH
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Buzz, this isn't a gag, is it? Because, given the right leader, I could see myself marching behind a banner like that. I do mean sloppy marching, not in cadence. Don't want to give people the wrong idea. (LOL.)

    By "right leader", I mean a non-angry White guy or White gal with a good sense of humot about the human condition, American-style.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    , @Corvinus
    @Buzz Mohawk

    “We do not fall for this con. We are Europeans. We are a race called “White“.”

    You’re significantly downplaying the “racial” categories of European, from most to least desirable, according to Madison Grant: Nordic, Alpine, Mediterranean. It was this distinction that in large part led to the passage of the 1924 Quota Act that significantly lowered the number of incoming immigrants from Eastern and Southern Europe. I’ll let you figure out what category the Italians, Greek, and Poles came from. So what changed…magic dirt?

    So, was he and other nativists wrong in their assessment and treatment of their European brethren? Why?

    “Our race actually displays the most color of any. WE are the true People of Color.“

    The No True Scotsman Fallacy in action. Thanks.

  101. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Achmed E. Newman

    One has no obligation to be honest with a government that is doing its best to pound you and your people into the ground!

    But it’s our fucking government, it is our own fault if we have let it it fall under the control of grifters and racial activists.

    One of the most harmful things to come out of Reaganism was the attitude that government is the enemy. The founding principle of the US, and what made us the most successful society on earth, is that our government represents the people and is accountable to the people. When government becomes the adversary we are left with nothing. Fox News and Hobby Lobby aren’t coming to save us. The NRA exists to generates fees for its leadership. The Kochs don’t care how ordinary Americans live. Democratic representative government is the only way to preserve liberty and it is worth saving. The conservative dream that an authoritarian leader is going to ride in and save us is just that - only a dream.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Jack D, @Buzz Mohawk, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Joe Stalin

    The NRA exists to generates fees for its leadership.

    Speaking of the NRA, what the hell happened to “the voice of five million Americans” when all the useless Republicans voted with the Chuck Schumers to give us more Red Flag laws in the latest Gun Control vote?

    Heard not ONE mention of the NRA in the news media when the Mitt Romney’s rushed forward to support the Cosmopolitan’s attacks on gun ownership.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Joe Stalin


    Speaking of the NRA, what the hell happened to
     
    The NRA has been a racket for Wayne LaPierre and his (changing slate of) minions for a long time now. I gave up my membership a long time ago and only support local, grassroots pro-2A groups.

    I may take another look at the NRA if the current mess is sorted out and new leaders take the reins, but I don't see that happening anytime soon. LaPierre stocked the NRA Board with his diehard loyalists and they, in turn, keep re-electing him even though it's clear he's been raiding the group's treasury for years. And the sad thing is, he's not even a gun guy, but a lobbyist who saw an opportunity (to enrich himself).

    https://nypost.com/2022/05/30/scandal-scarred-wayne-lapierre-re-elected-as-nra-ceo/

    Pat Buchanan was absolutely right on the money about the conservative "movement" turning into a racket (I think he quoted Eric Hoffer: "Every great cause evolves into a business, and then it degenerates into a racket"). The NRA is the Exhibit A for that.
  102. Has the Supreme Court ruled on whether Indian tribes can expel their black members?

  103. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Twinkie

    What we have fits quite naturally in a multi-racial society. Each groups fights for its slice of the pie.

    I can understand your desire for a colorblind world, but it's simply never been the natural way that humans have organized. Never - at least not for very long.

    Nature isn't colorblind.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    I can understand your desire for a colorblind world, but it’s simply never been the natural way that humans have organized. Never – at least not for very long.

    Nature isn’t colorblind.

    The main problem you seem to have here is confounding and conflating the term. “Color-blind” in this context refers to legality. And, yes, I do think it makes for a better and a more just society when individuals are legally treated as individuals without reference to their race or ethnicity. Moreover, we haven’t had that kind of a legal structure for decades now. So, blaming the failures of the legally highly color-aware society of the past fifty plus years on “color-blind civic nationalism” is both incorrect and disingenuous.

    I should note that *I* am not “color-blind,” nor do I expect others to be. Yes, nature is not oblivious to race. But race is only one, albeit important, component of what “nature” (or society or culture) is. You erroneously and falsely paint me as an IQ-fetishist, but you make the error of being a race-fetishist in thinking that it is the only causal element in the equation.

    I am not someone who is given to monocausal explanations. To the extent that I have a model for a just, harmonious, and happy society, it is what I call a communitarian one. And, yes, race is a part of that equation, a big part. But it’s not the only part. Things such as religion, common civic culture, strength of non-government civic institutions (the “little platoons” of intersecting and concentric social groups), language, etc. all play robust roles in either complimenting or contradicting the effects of race on society.

    My father-in-law was a Midwestern white of a specific ancestral makeup (English-Irish, German, and Swedish). He had a greater genetic similarity with his white Midwestern neighbors than he did with my children, his grandchildren who are 1/2 East Asian. Yet, he loved his grandchildren more than his own life and loved them in a way that he never would his own neighbors who were, according to you, his “extended family.” Because they had his love and share his actual lineage, it is they who will inherit his property and legacy, not the supposedly “extended family member” who lived across the street.

    Or, for that matter, one of the neighbors of whom he was quite fond was mostly Italian and Greek in ancestry. He looked like a different phenotype of a white than my father-in-law, reflecting the divergent ancestries. Yet he cared about his neighbor a heck of a lot more than he did his distant cousins who lived 1,000 miles away who was genetically closer to him than the neighbor.

    This is but one example of how your “race is extended family” metaphor fails in how human beings actually form close-knit social affiliations and bonds. The fact of the matter is that minority groups that are small in number will likely have higher social cohesion and draw a greater sense of a community from that minority status. That, too, is “natural.” However, the larger the (racial) group in question and the more diffuse the shared ancestries, lineages, social affiliations, distances, etc. the weaker the role of that grouping (in this case, race) will be. And the same goes for other social classifications such as shared religion or military service, etc.

    Reality is more complex than you assert. To repeat, yes, race is very important, especially in the larger social context, but it isn’t the only important variable.

    • Thanks: Corvinus, Enemy of Earth
    • LOL: 3g4me
  104. @Joe Stalin
    @Peter Akuleyev


    The NRA exists to generates fees for its leadership.
     
    Speaking of the NRA, what the hell happened to "the voice of five million Americans" when all the useless Republicans voted with the Chuck Schumers to give us more Red Flag laws in the latest Gun Control vote?

    Heard not ONE mention of the NRA in the news media when the Mitt Romney's rushed forward to support the Cosmopolitan's attacks on gun ownership.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Speaking of the NRA, what the hell happened to

    The NRA has been a racket for Wayne LaPierre and his (changing slate of) minions for a long time now. I gave up my membership a long time ago and only support local, grassroots pro-2A groups.

    I may take another look at the NRA if the current mess is sorted out and new leaders take the reins, but I don’t see that happening anytime soon. LaPierre stocked the NRA Board with his diehard loyalists and they, in turn, keep re-electing him even though it’s clear he’s been raiding the group’s treasury for years. And the sad thing is, he’s not even a gun guy, but a lobbyist who saw an opportunity (to enrich himself).

    https://nypost.com/2022/05/30/scandal-scarred-wayne-lapierre-re-elected-as-nra-ceo/

    Pat Buchanan was absolutely right on the money about the conservative “movement” turning into a racket (I think he quoted Eric Hoffer: “Every great cause evolves into a business, and then it degenerates into a racket”). The NRA is the Exhibit A for that.

  105. @Bardon Kaldian
    Twitter>Taki

    The entire Hispanic stuff is absurd. If they want "race", then introduce Mestizo & it better has the Mestizo looks - not Univision nonsense or Mexican weather forecast:

    https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/8a4414213333c3804183aa593df6de3432526e3a/c=0-73-1432-882/local/-/media/2017/09/06/USATODAY/USATODAY/636402843629449492-DAVIDMARISUNV-1512.jpg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePG6zUYvUZg

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @AnotherDad

    The entire Hispanic stuff is absurd. If they want “race”, then introduce Mestizo & it

    Long overdue.

    We track one ethnic category and it is one that basically had little to do with the historic American Nation.

    Introduce Mestizo, Mulatto, Indio as well as “Polynesian”, “East Asian”, “South Asian”, “Middel Eastern/Semitic”.

    And then give people all the ethnic categories out there. From “White American”, “Black American”, “Native Indian American” down through all the specifics–English, Scots, Scots-Irish, Irish, Dutch … Chinese,, Japanese, Korean, Filippino … Mexican, Cuban … Jewish-Sephardic, Jewish-Ashkenazi, Arab … whatever.

  106. @Enemy of Earth
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I agree it's usually better to know more. I've always been fond of dead, White languages so I have dug into Latin and Greek. Have never looked to be conversant. With whom would I talk? I like them in relation to the origin of words and I like being able to look at the Latin Vulgate and make some sense of what I'm looking at.

    I've never regretted not learning Spanish. I live in the US and English is the native language. If I moved to a Spanish speaking country I hope I would be polite and respectful enough to learn the native tongue. My maternal grandmother lived in this country for over seventy years and never bothered to speak English though I suspect she understood it just fine. She was just a cantankerous, old bat and I thought she was rather bad mannered not to speak to her grandchildren in their own language.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    Why not be bilingual?

    • Replies: @Enemy of Earth
    @Bardon Kaldian

    If I moved to another country where English is not a common language I would learn the native tongue. In fact, I would most likely learn it before I moved. If someone moves to my nation and wants to carry on normal transactions, business or personal, they should damn well learn the language of their new home. I'm not against learning another language for the sake of knowledge and personal enrichment but I am against catering to folks who come to a country and want to operate like they're still in the Old World.

  107. @Dave7609
    @dearieme

    What is the “old, wide meaning of Moor?” The term Moor has been used to refer to North Africans, sub-Saharan Africans (i.e. blackamoor) and even to generic Muslims. (Ie Filipino Moors). The word Moor is one of the most confusing words in the English language. Moor seems to have a different definition every time you read it.

    Replies: @Rob McX

    In addition to that, there’s a whole bunch of surnames based on the word, to denote someone with vaguely Moorish looks. The names Moore, Moreau, Morel, etc. are so common that anybody with dark hair would seem to qualify.

  108. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Anon

    Give the role to Justin Trudeau.


    http://www.theamericanmirror.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Trudeau-Castro-crop.jpg

    Replies: @Cutler

    Liam Neeson looks like Fidel

  109. @Iberian
    @slumber_j

    Southern Iberians (or southern Italians, or Greeks, or whatever) are not less “white “ than northerner Iberians;
    They are simply a distinct combination of the same admixture of Earl Europeian Farmers and Ancestral North Eurasians, that all West Eurasians came from;
    Unless you think that the English are less white than Swedish, or something…

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @slumber_j, @Buzz Mohawk, @Cutler

    Of course Iberian is correct, Europeans are genetically homogeneous and share the same ancestry and characteristics ie are a race or continental ancestry group.

  110. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Iberian

    Hey listen, my White friend: This is the conundrum that the most clever of our enemies use against us. They like to gaslight us into believing that we are not a race. They do this by pointing out the subtle, historic differentiations among us. They try to divide and conquer us. We do not fall for this con. We are Europeans. We are a race called "White."

    By identifying as something, together, we confirm that we are something, together -- and that no outsiders can deny us this God given element of what we are.

    slumber j was referring to color appearance. He is correct, and you misunderstood him because you have been exposed to the propaganda that divides us.

    Our race actually displays the most color of any. WE are the true People of Color.


    https://nationalvanguard.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/peopleofcolor.jpg

    Replies: @Cutler, @JackOH, @Corvinus

    Correct

  111. @Bill Jones
    @Achmed E. Newman

    How many of these are "White People"?
    Not much striking honesty here.


    Every Single Senate Democrat Just Voted Against Defining Pregnancy As A Biologically Female Process
     
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/every-single-senate-democrat-just-voted-against-defining-pregnancy-biologically-female

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Politicians, Bill? I was referring to White people.

  112. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Iberian

    Hey listen, my White friend: This is the conundrum that the most clever of our enemies use against us. They like to gaslight us into believing that we are not a race. They do this by pointing out the subtle, historic differentiations among us. They try to divide and conquer us. We do not fall for this con. We are Europeans. We are a race called "White."

    By identifying as something, together, we confirm that we are something, together -- and that no outsiders can deny us this God given element of what we are.

    slumber j was referring to color appearance. He is correct, and you misunderstood him because you have been exposed to the propaganda that divides us.

    Our race actually displays the most color of any. WE are the true People of Color.


    https://nationalvanguard.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/peopleofcolor.jpg

    Replies: @Cutler, @JackOH, @Corvinus

    Buzz, this isn’t a gag, is it? Because, given the right leader, I could see myself marching behind a banner like that. I do mean sloppy marching, not in cadence. Don’t want to give people the wrong idea. (LOL.)

    By “right leader”, I mean a non-angry White guy or White gal with a good sense of humot about the human condition, American-style.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @JackOH

    It's not a gag.


    https://media.giphy.com/media/SL8TmAAC6iwlTGCwty/giphy.gif



    I'm ready.


    https://media.giphy.com/media/3oEduWEYQVZtB1NXuE/giphy.gif

    But I don't want the FBI going through my wife's closet like they did Melania's. They might confiscate all the Victoria's Secret stuff I've given her over the years.

    So, maybe you and I can lead this thing together.


    https://thumbs.gfycat.com/CoordinatedOffensiveDouglasfirbarkbeetle-small.gif

    It would be magnificent.


    https://media.giphy.com/media/TJGtAEn1cqM6Y/giphy.gif

    But you know what they say:


    https://68.media.tumblr.com/2d7b6c9c781d2fd162adaf1dfe5ce076/tumblr_oltp3tCY3r1w453xyo2_500.gif

    Replies: @JackOH

  113. @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    I think that the current Supreme Ct. is coming for AA very soon. Any sort of racial classification is highly suspect under the Constitution. Up until now, just as with Roe, the Court dishonestly danced around this ("we know this violates the Constitution, but we're gonna give it a pass anyway, but only for 25 years by which time the blacks will be caught up for sure") but I don't think that they are going to do so any more.

    The Court majority takes the Constitution seriously and is not going to be bound by incorrect precedents that invented imaginary Constitutional rights and exceptions to rights in whatever way was most pleasing to the Leftist sentiments of the moment. Grutter v. Bollinger is just as offensive to the Constitution as Plessy was. Equal treatment of the races means equal treatment of the races, the right to keep and bear arms means that you have the right to keep and bear arms, the Constitution doesn't contain a right to abortion on demand - no more of this Alice in Wonderland crap where black means white and up means down. If the Left wants any of these things, let them amend the Constitution but the words of the one that we have have to be taken to mean what they were intended to mean.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Almost Missouri, @Corvinus

    “The Court majority takes the Constitution seriously”

    As past courts have as well.

    “and is not going to be bound by incorrect precedents”

    According to Who/Whom?

    “Grutter v. Bollinger is just as offensive to the Constitution as Plessy was.”

    Who are you trying to bamboozle? Plessy was patently odious.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Corvinus

    Thanks, Corvinus. Your compelling arguments have totally swayed me. The scales are lifted from my eyes. AA now, AA tomorrow, AA forever!, I say.

    Replies: @JackOH

    , @Curle
    @Corvinus

    “Plessy was patently odious.”

    No more odious than forcing two incompatible groups with wildly different norms, habits and values into close contact with each other remediable only by flight by one or the other.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  114. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Iberian

    Hey listen, my White friend: This is the conundrum that the most clever of our enemies use against us. They like to gaslight us into believing that we are not a race. They do this by pointing out the subtle, historic differentiations among us. They try to divide and conquer us. We do not fall for this con. We are Europeans. We are a race called "White."

    By identifying as something, together, we confirm that we are something, together -- and that no outsiders can deny us this God given element of what we are.

    slumber j was referring to color appearance. He is correct, and you misunderstood him because you have been exposed to the propaganda that divides us.

    Our race actually displays the most color of any. WE are the true People of Color.


    https://nationalvanguard.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/peopleofcolor.jpg

    Replies: @Cutler, @JackOH, @Corvinus

    “We do not fall for this con. We are Europeans. We are a race called “White“.”

    You’re significantly downplaying the “racial” categories of European, from most to least desirable, according to Madison Grant: Nordic, Alpine, Mediterranean. It was this distinction that in large part led to the passage of the 1924 Quota Act that significantly lowered the number of incoming immigrants from Eastern and Southern Europe. I’ll let you figure out what category the Italians, Greek, and Poles came from. So what changed…magic dirt?

    So, was he and other nativists wrong in their assessment and treatment of their European brethren? Why?

    “Our race actually displays the most color of any. WE are the true People of Color.“

    The No True Scotsman Fallacy in action. Thanks.

  115. @Corvinus
    @Jack D

    “The Court majority takes the Constitution seriously”

    As past courts have as well.

    “and is not going to be bound by incorrect precedents”

    According to Who/Whom?

    “Grutter v. Bollinger is just as offensive to the Constitution as Plessy was.”

    Who are you trying to bamboozle? Plessy was patently odious.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Curle

    Thanks, Corvinus. Your compelling arguments have totally swayed me. The scales are lifted from my eyes. AA now, AA tomorrow, AA forever!, I say.

    • Replies: @JackOH
    @Jack D

    This time I get the sarc, Jack D.

    I've heard from two parents of athletically gifted kids that their White kids were unfairly denied a slot on a semi-pro football team in the first case, and a first-string high school football slot in the second.
    Both parents told me their kids had superior stats to the Black kids who were chosen. The semi-pro candidate also had strong coaches' recommendations.

    Backward reels the mind. I couldn't suss out the logic of the decision-making to save my life.

    To treat Blacks fairly in football, you have to recognize their athletic abilities and give them the slots they're entitled to by merit. But, I guess, if they don't have the merit, they're still entitled to the bloody darned slot.

  116. @Jack D
    @Corvinus

    Thanks, Corvinus. Your compelling arguments have totally swayed me. The scales are lifted from my eyes. AA now, AA tomorrow, AA forever!, I say.

    Replies: @JackOH

    This time I get the sarc, Jack D.

    I’ve heard from two parents of athletically gifted kids that their White kids were unfairly denied a slot on a semi-pro football team in the first case, and a first-string high school football slot in the second.
    Both parents told me their kids had superior stats to the Black kids who were chosen. The semi-pro candidate also had strong coaches’ recommendations.

    Backward reels the mind. I couldn’t suss out the logic of the decision-making to save my life.

    To treat Blacks fairly in football, you have to recognize their athletic abilities and give them the slots they’re entitled to by merit. But, I guess, if they don’t have the merit, they’re still entitled to the bloody darned slot.

  117. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Enemy of Earth

    Why not be bilingual?

    Replies: @Enemy of Earth

    If I moved to another country where English is not a common language I would learn the native tongue. In fact, I would most likely learn it before I moved. If someone moves to my nation and wants to carry on normal transactions, business or personal, they should damn well learn the language of their new home. I’m not against learning another language for the sake of knowledge and personal enrichment but I am against catering to folks who come to a country and want to operate like they’re still in the Old World.

    • Agree: JackOH
  118. Well, I take comfort knowing Cher’s still an half-breed Indian.

  119. @Corvinus
    @Jack D

    “The Court majority takes the Constitution seriously”

    As past courts have as well.

    “and is not going to be bound by incorrect precedents”

    According to Who/Whom?

    “Grutter v. Bollinger is just as offensive to the Constitution as Plessy was.”

    Who are you trying to bamboozle? Plessy was patently odious.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Curle

    “Plessy was patently odious.”

    No more odious than forcing two incompatible groups with wildly different norms, habits and values into close contact with each other remediable only by flight by one or the other.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Curle

    “No more odious than forcing two incompatible groups with wildly different norms, habits and values into close contact with each other remediable only by flight by one or the other.”

    Exactly what nativists, aka WASPs, said about non-WASPs, chiefly Eastern and Southern Europeans. In other words, invasive species like yourself.

    You should go beck.

  120. @JackOH
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Buzz, this isn't a gag, is it? Because, given the right leader, I could see myself marching behind a banner like that. I do mean sloppy marching, not in cadence. Don't want to give people the wrong idea. (LOL.)

    By "right leader", I mean a non-angry White guy or White gal with a good sense of humot about the human condition, American-style.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    It’s not a gag.

    [MORE]

    I’m ready.

    But I don’t want the FBI going through my wife’s closet like they did Melania’s. They might confiscate all the Victoria’s Secret stuff I’ve given her over the years.

    So, maybe you and I can lead this thing together.

    It would be magnificent.

    But you know what they say:

    • Replies: @JackOH
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Ouch! LOL. I thought this was my big chance to join the cool kids.

    Seriously, I thought the illustration's absurdist, playful riffing on color underscored by the "White genocide" and "stop anti-White hate" would score points and disarm opponents. It does take a super-nimble, non-angry leadership to pull it off.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

  121. @Buzz Mohawk
    @JackOH

    It's not a gag.


    https://media.giphy.com/media/SL8TmAAC6iwlTGCwty/giphy.gif



    I'm ready.


    https://media.giphy.com/media/3oEduWEYQVZtB1NXuE/giphy.gif

    But I don't want the FBI going through my wife's closet like they did Melania's. They might confiscate all the Victoria's Secret stuff I've given her over the years.

    So, maybe you and I can lead this thing together.


    https://thumbs.gfycat.com/CoordinatedOffensiveDouglasfirbarkbeetle-small.gif

    It would be magnificent.


    https://media.giphy.com/media/TJGtAEn1cqM6Y/giphy.gif

    But you know what they say:


    https://68.media.tumblr.com/2d7b6c9c781d2fd162adaf1dfe5ce076/tumblr_oltp3tCY3r1w453xyo2_500.gif

    Replies: @JackOH

    Ouch! LOL. I thought this was my big chance to join the cool kids.

    Seriously, I thought the illustration’s absurdist, playful riffing on color underscored by the “White genocide” and “stop anti-White hate” would score points and disarm opponents. It does take a super-nimble, non-angry leadership to pull it off.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @JackOH

    The illustration is seriously correct, and I wish the idea could be applied to win friends and influence people as you suggest, but I think the opponents are not very amenable to anything.

    Your take on it is plenty cool, though. Thanks. Maybe I'm wrong and your idea would work.

  122. @JackOH
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Ouch! LOL. I thought this was my big chance to join the cool kids.

    Seriously, I thought the illustration's absurdist, playful riffing on color underscored by the "White genocide" and "stop anti-White hate" would score points and disarm opponents. It does take a super-nimble, non-angry leadership to pull it off.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    The illustration is seriously correct, and I wish the idea could be applied to win friends and influence people as you suggest, but I think the opponents are not very amenable to anything.

    Your take on it is plenty cool, though. Thanks. Maybe I’m wrong and your idea would work.

  123. @Curle
    @Corvinus

    “Plessy was patently odious.”

    No more odious than forcing two incompatible groups with wildly different norms, habits and values into close contact with each other remediable only by flight by one or the other.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “No more odious than forcing two incompatible groups with wildly different norms, habits and values into close contact with each other remediable only by flight by one or the other.”

    Exactly what nativists, aka WASPs, said about non-WASPs, chiefly Eastern and Southern Europeans. In other words, invasive species like yourself.

    You should go beck.

  124. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Peter Akuleyev


    The founding principle of the US, and what made us the most successful society on earth, is that our government represents the people and is accountable to the people.
     
    Wrong CivNat. What made the US so successful was the people who settled this country. The government was simply a reflection of the culture of that people - overwhelmingly Anglo-Saxons who had the nuts to carve out a nation from the wilderness.

    Just as there's no Magic Dirt, there's no Magic Culture or Magic Constitution. It's unbelievable how commentators on an HBD site can't understand how important biology is to the culture and government of a society. Those Anglo-American values withstood a very tough test when we allowed in Germans, Italians, Irish and other Europeans, but because of their similar biology, we mostly keep those values intact.

    Let's make it simple:

    Government is down stream from culture which is downstream from biology. Change the biology, and, eventually, you change the government. We stupidly changed the biology of the US over the past 50 years, and now, we'll pay the price.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Citizen is actually right, although he’s a bit snide: if you look at the “founding principles” of almost all modern countries, they’re as consistently noble as any corporate mission statement. But some people stuck to those principles and some people didn’t.

  125. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Iberian


    Unless you think that the English are less white than Swedish
     
    Of course they are. Typical renaissance Englishwoman ...

    https://th-thumbnailer.cdn-si-edu.com/hhsrz1wnXkGS7fW1WzIH68Uy24Q=/1000x750/filters:no_upscale():focal(977x503:978x504)/https://tf-cmsv2-smithsonianmag-media.s3.amazonaws.com/filer/96/fb/96fbf1f3-14c3-4c8b-8c47-4721deb3dbeb/screen_shot_2021-06-02_at_64002_pm.png

    Replies: @Ian Smith

    Henry VIII be like:

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