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From my new book review in Taki’s Magazine:

The Numbers Don’t Lie
Steve Sailer

November 25, 2020

Six months into the Racial Reckoning, it’s timely to review A Peculiar Indifference: The Neglected Toll of Violence on Black America by a conventional liberal criminologist named Elliott Currie of the U. of California at Irvine:

Much of the country has been understandably outraged by the continuing plague of police killings of black Americans; after the death of George Floyd at the hands of the Minneapolis police in May 2020, that anger exploded into some of the most widespread and sustained protests against police violence in US history. There has been far less outrage over the ongoing emergency of everyday interpersonal violence in black communities.

Many conservatives credulously believe progressives’ claims that the social sciences vindicate liberal ideology. But, when read carefully, social scientific works can be a trove of politically incorrect data. Here are some striking facts gleaned from A Peculiar Indifference:

Between 2000 and 2018…more than 162,000 black Americans lost their lives to violence…the population of a substantial midsize American city—say Jackson, Mississippi….

As Currie admits, the vast majority of black murder victims are unquestionably killed by other blacks. The criminologist offers a lengthy historical explanation of why that is still, in 2020, the fault of whites (as you no doubt would anticipate, FDR’s redlining plays a role), but the 21st-century empirical data in the book is eye-opening:

In the United States today, a young black man has fifteen times the chance of dying from violence as his white counterpart.

Read the whole thing there.

 
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  1. It’s permitted–compulsory, even–to express profound dismay at the number of black people who are victims of violent crime. But if you dare to mention (or even display awareness of) just who’s committing these crimes, expect instant excommunication.

    On rare occasions, it’s white people. Even more rarely, white cops. But these two categories are just about the only ones ever portrayed in the mass media, much less made into international sensations.

    Over and over I see people saying “But I keep seeing x, y, and z” and never once does it occur to them that what they’re ‘seeing’ has been carefully ‘curated’ by the MSM.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder

    If someone cannot imagine that the lyingpress is lying to them, especially now when it has completely abandoned any pretense to being news, then there is no hope for that person.

    Replies: @Forbes

    , @Hibernian
    @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder

    My impression is that White people who commit crimes against Black people are quite likely to be cops; it's very rare otherwise.

    Replies: @Danindc

  2. Maybe Africa, even more than Europe, used America as a dumping ground for its “human offal”?
    In “Mr. Midshipman Easy” Mesty’s own father arranged for him to be captured and sold into slavery. He was too eager for war, and threatened the security of his tribe.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    @Redneck farmer

    The Africans enslaved by other Africans were those without the means to prevent their enslavement.

  3. Many conservatives credulously believe progressives’ claims that the social sciences vindicate liberal ideology.

    Conservatives are just as bad as liberals when it comes to racial self-hatred. It’s a sickness.

    I think this Latino has a good overview of White neurosis:

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @RichardTaylor


    Conservatives are just as bad as liberals when it comes to racial self-hatred. It’s a sickness.

     

    https://www.evblog.virginiahumanities.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/30/2011/12/auction.jpg


    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/37/57/ab/3757ab81a966710aef4ab31c48910246.jpg


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/staticarchive/94f8aab38754768223bed5a019895e1865290957.jpg


    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/20/1e/c6/201ec6f8866b112867cbc3c62862aaf1.jpg

    , @Kronos
    @RichardTaylor

    Oh wow, you mean they have self-respect?

  4. There is a surprisingly lower amount of killings in much of Africa, versus Latin America and American cities … In one recent tally, the Americas (including USA) have 45 of the 50 most murderous cities in the world, the other 5 being in ‘multi-cultural’ post-Mandela South Africa

    One theory of the reason for the lower rate of killings in most of Africa versus USA cities, despite USA blacks being generally richer, is presented by Africans themselves:

    Africans in Africa have tended to preserve the notion that if you kill someone, that person’s spirit may well haunt you and cause you great harm in life … on the other hand, stealing their stuff, or, sadly, rape, are much lesser matters, rape and theft being common on that continent

    But these ‘superstitions’ have died out in blacks transplanted into the USA, much to the disadvantage of the American black community

    • Replies: @Some Guy
    @brabantian

    Or the crack police forces of Africa aren't that keen on doing paperwork for every murder.

    , @Jtgw
    @brabantian

    I guess your theory explains the US but not South Africa. Or did the same traditions die there too? Why?

    , @Stan
    @brabantian

    Is it possible that there are richer non-Africans living among them have something to do with higher rate of killings in the US and South Africa?

  5. Anon[221] • Disclaimer says:

    This just shows the value of taking real life data and combining it with taboo conservative explanations. Even if the left completely excludes us from academia (and that is going well for them) we can still use their data sets and win the argument with far more parsimonious and scientific explanations. Their explanations for social phenomena now seem to be little but vague conspiracy theories – the patriarchy, white privilege and so on. No wonder they fall apart under scrutiny.

    The main barriers seem to be (i) people don’t want to learn Excel or R and (ii) although large numbers of influential people are secretly reading Murray and Sailer, they have to pretend not to, which means their influence is greatly diminished because they aren’t directing people their way.

  6. anonymous[751] • Disclaimer says:

    Steve, when are you going to explicate your position?

    You’ve laid out your position–nice guy paleocon–but when are you going to *justify* it in a meta sense?

    I think you owe us that. You think you’re right. Now tell us what your position–let’s just call it for want of name, cuck boomerism–is actually accomplishing.

    Go ahead and tell us what your cuck boomerism is accomplishing when you just post articles every day about how geez, wouldn’t it be nicer if people were more cuck boomerism paleocon like me?

    What do you think you’re accomplishing with the cuck boomer position of “Oh, haha, I don’t really think the Jews did anything wrong, *smirk*

    What is all of this accomplishing? Never fighting back, refusing to acknowledge the JQ, congratulating yourself on being more gentlemanly than your opposition.

    WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

    • Disagree: Peter Frost, Patriot
    • Troll: Muggles, Forbes
    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    @anonymous


    You’ve laid out your position–nice guy paleocon–but when are you going to *justify* it in a meta sense? What is all of this accomplishing? Never fighting back, refusing to acknowledge the JQ, congratulating yourself on being more gentlemanly than your opposition.
     
    Sailer writes, YOU decide. Whaddya want the guy to do, show up somewhere with a shotgun?

    The meaning of it all is there IS no meaning. Sounds like you have a touch of nipple anxiety. Work on it.

    , @Anonymouse
    @anonymous

    >What is all of this accomplishing? Never fighting back, refusing to acknowledge the JQ,

    Like John Derbyshire, Steve considers those fixated on the JQ (Jewish question) to be sick in the head.

    The JC nutcases Unz publishes on the main unz.com page are just up your alley. Go there and feed your rat.

    , @Matt Buckalew
    @anonymous

    It means Steve went to Rice and UCLA so he feels an inherent reluctance to attack his betters. Steve basically tried to climb to greasy pole couldn’t quite hack it and is enough of a decent guy to not engage in sour grapes

  7. Redlining! I curse the swine that gave us such an evil!

  8. It’s all fine and good to compare black violence to white violence in the developed world, but your real control group for comparison would be blacks in Africa.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @The Alarmist


    It’s all fine and good to compare black violence to white violence in the developed world, but your real control group for comparison would be blacks in Africa.
     
    Alarmist, there are arguments each way, but overall i take the other side.

    I take this tack with Lynn's world IQ data. To me the best evidence on racial/ethnic IQ variance is from the developed world where the groups have the same plentiful food, clean water, working sewage systems, the same pedagogy in well funded schools, the same medical system, obstetric procedures, vaccinations and antibiotics and such... and the same test in the same language. No control on racial/ethnic variations in culture, but the gaping environmental divergences between nations and continents are absent. Pretty straight up comparison.

    Likewise, the even more stunning racial gaps in criminality between different groups in the same nation, facing the same education system, economy, laws and policing ... are "informative".

    Replies: @The Alarmist

  9. As Currie admits, the vast majority of black murder victims are unquestionably killed by other blacks.

    Facts that have to be admitted – by specialists in the field.

    (Btw . – I don’t think this is remark is wrong, or off at all. It’s right. – and telling too).

    • Agree: JimDandy
    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
    @Dieter Kief

    But as with the IQ debate, most of this crowd, including the moderates, are happy to bury reports they think are "unhelpful" even if true. They're terrified you'll go all Fourth Reich if you knew the truth.

    I'm posting this now about 9am in the morning. I've had something else in moderation for 6 hours. Makes discourse difficult. I guess that's the point. Feel free to play anagrams and sports trivia all you want. Those topics don't disturb anyone.

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Dieter Kief

    I'm still unsure as to whether statistics are the present day version of reading entrails. Apparently the demiurge is quite good at sifting through the guts. He needs to use his prodigious talent with innards to determine the age at which a woman's laugh mutates into a cackle.

    Replies: @David

    , @Forbes
    @Dieter Kief


    the vast majority of black murder victims are unquestionably killed by other blacks.
     
    It's on the order of 90% of black murder victims are killed by blacks. I await correction if that's off.
  10. Currie’s a white guy so, has he been forced to apologize yet? Also…”plague of police killings”. Yeah, there’s a guy who reads the data carefully. Even when they try to tell the truth, they have to include lies.

  11. In the United States today, a young black man has fifteen times the chance of dying from violence as his white counterpart.

    Why do murderous blacks and their victims skew so young? Among whites, “hardened criminals” tend to be considerably older than they are among blacks. Does the violence gap between the races decline with age? It’s an unanswered question whether the racial disparity in homicidal tendencies actually diminishes with increasing age, or whether blacks of criminal inclinations simply tend to wind up dead or in prison earlier than whites do.

    White “hardened criminals” usually are isolated loners who terrorize their extended families. At some point, their families get tired of them and try to cut them off financially and kick them out. That can precipitate serious violence. Usually, this happens when the criminal is older and has already burned lots of bridges. Many of these criminals have had their brains ruined through many years of alcohol and drug abuse. Many are born with some degree of mental illness, which gets worse as they age.

    In some cases, when the individual is kicked out, they become a vagrant. That can introduce the possibility for some occasional violence too, often against other vagrants or sometimes random strangers. Especially when people fight over drugs, they can hurt each other.

    Black “hardened criminals” can be older too, but there are lots of young Black men who like to fight other young Black men for alpha male dominance in their communities. They want to be the “most thug @ss n*gga on da block. Gangsta 4 lyfe.”

    Black “hardened criminals” are very embedded in their communities and often an important part of the social fabric. They have lots of friends and close family members. They’re quite influential and popular, often being at the center of social activities. White “hardened” criminals, on the other hand, are usually socially isolated and have no one to hang out with them. Most consider them “losers.”

    Out of curiosity, are there any White neighborhoods left in which young men struggle to determine who’s the “baddest” alpha male on the block? I can’t think of any. There were some low-income White areas that were sort of like that in the past, but those young men fought with their fists. Most of those areas are now gentrified or taken over by non-Whites. Southie, for example.

    • Agree: Lot, Almost Missouri
    • Thanks: HammerJack, ic1000
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @JohnnyWalker123

    "White “hardened criminals” usually are isolated loners who terrorize their extended families."

    Except among the Travellers/Gypsies, whether Irish or Romany (and possibly the Romanian Roma, too), where they are beloved patriarchs, as seen by their huge funerals.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Johnson_Gang

    (this doesn't mention the guy who died on one of their sites, at Andoversford IIRC, in suspicious circumstances)

    "Out of curiosity, are there any White neighborhoods left in which young men struggle to determine who’s the “baddest” alpha male on the block?"

    Still happens in places like Liverpool, Glasgow and Manchester. Often the families have Irish roots. Who controls the streets controls the drug trade.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_firms_(organised_crime)#British_crime_firms

    Replies: @James Speaks, @Romanian

    , @Jamie_NYC
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Makes sense; but also: young black men have higher testosterone levels than young white men. The opposite is true for older men (I'm not sure what the cross-over age is). Older black criminals are simply burned out. If you hear about 45-year old burglar, he's most probably white (or Hispanic).

    , @J.Ross
    @JohnnyWalker123

    This model suggests that the family and not the state is wider society's major defense against troublemakers, with blacks suffering more because they have trouble forming families.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    , @anonymous
    @JohnnyWalker123


    Out of curiosity, are there any White neighborhoods left in which young men struggle to determine who’s the “baddest” alpha male on the block?
     
    There are still a few small white ghettos remaining in Cincinnati, such as Lower Price Hill and the East End, where that is a thing to some degree.

    Lower Price Hill:
    https://youtu.be/Lfa1OFlYhgQ

    Pittsburgh has some similar areas. Also Tulsa.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    , @Old Prude
    @JohnnyWalker123

    We had a bold black man living in our lily white Maine town. He was always stirring up trouble and loving it. Part of the fabric of the community you might say. Until he gunned down two white loud mouths who were getting on his nerves and we put him in the stir.

    , @Sean
    @JohnnyWalker123


    Why do murderous blacks and their victims skew so young? Among whites, “hardened criminals” tend to be considerably older than they are among blacks
     

    https://www.unz.com/pfrost/testosterone-and-human-variation/

    Testosterone levels are higher in black boys than in white boys as early as the prepubertal age class (5-9 yrs) (Abdelrahaman et al., 2005). Black males seem to reach maximum t levels during adolescence and early adulthood (Ross et al., 1986; Winters et al., 2001). The black-white difference then shrinks after 24 years of age and is gone by the early 30s (Gapstur et al., 2002). It actually seems to reverse in later years (Nyborg, 1994, p. 111-113).
     

    Replies: @Bert, @JohnnyWalker123

    , @Peter D. Bredon
    @JohnnyWalker123

    "In some cases, when the individual is kicked out, they become a vagrant. That can introduce the possibility for some occasional violence too, often against other vagrants or sometimes random strangers. Especially when people fight over drugs, they can hurt each other."

    Indeed, and this is why the whole "there but for the grace of God" idea is so stupid. Liberals want us to believe that "anyone" could wind up homeless. But to be homeless it's not enough to not have a home (which is why the euphemism is so misleading). You don't have a home because you can't afford it, because you have no job, because you were fired for being an asshole, and no family to help you, because you're an asshole, and no friends to help you, because you're an asshole.

    So no, someone like Mitt Romney has no chance of "someday finding yourself homeless."

    (Which is not to say that Mitt isn't in some sense indeed an asshole. But a functional one)

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    , @Jack D
    @JohnnyWalker123


    Black “hardened criminals” are very embedded in their communities and often an important part of the social fabric. They have lots of friends and close family members. They’re quite influential and popular, often being at the center of social activities.
     
    Not to mention baby mommas and keeds. The late Walter Wallace, Jr. was allegedly mentally ill, had a long rap sheet and went after 2 cops with a big knife (whereupon the racist cops cruelly ended his life instead of allowing themselves to be stabbed to death). He also, at the age of 27, had NINE children (it's not clear with how many baby mommas but more than 1) and was a popular "aspiring rapper" in his community. Insane/violent white people tend to remove themselves from the gene pool. Insane/violent blacks propagate their genes far and wide. So over a number of generations, you can develop these kind of 15x disparities that Steve mentions just like Ashkenazis were able to become similarly overrepresented on a per capita basis in the genius dept. Selective breeding can really result in vastly different endpoints - chihuahua vs. Great Dane.

    Replies: @Thomas

    , @Welked Joni
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Black Men are just more manly

    Is it any wonder why white girls crave their touch and seed?

    Black Men have been abused by whiteness so long that it has made them tough

    That's why they are such good soldiers athletes fathers husbands and are the future

    Replies: @Bert, @Anon, @duncsbaby

    , @Ripple Earthdevil
    @JohnnyWalker123


    Out of curiosity, are there any White neighborhoods left in which young men struggle to determine who’s the “baddest” alpha male on the block? I can’t think of any. There were some low-income White areas that were sort of like that in the past, but those young men fought with their fists. Most of those areas are now gentrified or taken over by non-Whites. Southie, for example
     
    .

    In case anyone is wondering, "Southie" is South Boston, a traditionally Irish working class enclave that was the epicenter of resistance to forced school busing in the mid-70's. I don't know what it's like now.

    Replies: @John Up North, @BostonJoe

  12. @JohnnyWalker123

    In the United States today, a young black man has fifteen times the chance of dying from violence as his white counterpart.

    Why do murderous blacks and their victims skew so young? Among whites, “hardened criminals” tend to be considerably older than they are among blacks. Does the violence gap between the races decline with age? It’s an unanswered question whether the racial disparity in homicidal tendencies actually diminishes with increasing age, or whether blacks of criminal inclinations simply tend to wind up dead or in prison earlier than whites do.
     
    White "hardened criminals" usually are isolated loners who terrorize their extended families. At some point, their families get tired of them and try to cut them off financially and kick them out. That can precipitate serious violence. Usually, this happens when the criminal is older and has already burned lots of bridges. Many of these criminals have had their brains ruined through many years of alcohol and drug abuse. Many are born with some degree of mental illness, which gets worse as they age.

    In some cases, when the individual is kicked out, they become a vagrant. That can introduce the possibility for some occasional violence too, often against other vagrants or sometimes random strangers. Especially when people fight over drugs, they can hurt each other.

    Black "hardened criminals" can be older too, but there are lots of young Black men who like to fight other young Black men for alpha male dominance in their communities. They want to be the "most thug @ss n*gga on da block. Gangsta 4 lyfe."

    Black "hardened criminals" are very embedded in their communities and often an important part of the social fabric. They have lots of friends and close family members. They're quite influential and popular, often being at the center of social activities. White "hardened" criminals, on the other hand, are usually socially isolated and have no one to hang out with them. Most consider them "losers."

    Out of curiosity, are there any White neighborhoods left in which young men struggle to determine who's the "baddest" alpha male on the block? I can't think of any. There were some low-income White areas that were sort of like that in the past, but those young men fought with their fists. Most of those areas are now gentrified or taken over by non-Whites. Southie, for example.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Jamie_NYC, @J.Ross, @anonymous, @Old Prude, @Sean, @Peter D. Bredon, @Jack D, @Welked Joni, @Ripple Earthdevil

    “White “hardened criminals” usually are isolated loners who terrorize their extended families.”

    Except among the Travellers/Gypsies, whether Irish or Romany (and possibly the Romanian Roma, too), where they are beloved patriarchs, as seen by their huge funerals.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Johnson_Gang

    (this doesn’t mention the guy who died on one of their sites, at Andoversford IIRC, in suspicious circumstances)

    “Out of curiosity, are there any White neighborhoods left in which young men struggle to determine who’s the “baddest” alpha male on the block?”

    Still happens in places like Liverpool, Glasgow and Manchester. Often the families have Irish roots. Who controls the streets controls the drug trade.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_firms_(organised_crime)#British_crime_firms

    • Replies: @James Speaks
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Let’s review the Irish:
    1) Sociable in the extreme
    2) Sing a lot
    3) Clannish to a degree indistinguishable from tribalism
    4) Drink a lot
    5) Curly hair
    6) Sociable

    , @Romanian
    @YetAnotherAnon


    Except among the Travellers/Gypsies, whether Irish or Romany (and possibly the Romanian Roma, too), where they are beloved patriarchs, as seen by their huge funerals.
     
    A noted Roma gangster was stabbed recently during a poker game (Emi the Piano). He ran one of the main "interloper clans", as we call them, of Bucharest. They had a huge funeral for him, attended by a lot of other gangsters from other "clans", as well as the local gypsy population, which was curious to see the show, maybe get some handouts. The Gendermerie could not enforce any social distancing or limitations, so they settled for preventing fights and intrusions by rival gangs. The general population ridiculed them as state-paid bodyguards for mobsters. Meanwhile, a friend was not able to have a decent funeral for his dead mom (cancer).

    This is a news story about it

    https://youtu.be/ujcV_1QLfHY

    This is manele (Balkan Gypsy music with an oriental flair) singer The Golden Child singing at the head of the dead guy (warning, you see the dead guy). The women wailing in time with the breaks in the song made me laugh.

    https://youtu.be/ieTaCobPwuA

    The liberals assure me that, with proper schooling, their kids will pay our pensions.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Rob McX

  13. Gentry liberals are indifferent to the actual welfare of blacks, as are black chauvinists. Everything said and done consists of status games or expanding the trade in political patronage. The ordinary run of Republican politicians are largely indifferent as well because they’re in office to promote a half-dozen shticks orthagonal to the welfare of blacks qua blacks. The difference between the two, of course, is that black voters are snookered into voting for the former contra the latter. The people who are actually interested in the welfare of blacks are hardheads like Heather Mac Donald. You can see the sort of reception she gets on college campuses. And you can see for this poseur Currie, social problems in the black population are merely a hook for faculty twerps to bash white-people-who-are-not-in-our-circle-of-friends.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Art Deco

    Interest in the welfare of blacks is destroying the modern world...

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @BenKenobi
    @Art Deco


    schticks
     

    orthagonal
     

    qua
     

    snookered
     

    contra
     

    Replies: @William Badwhite

    , @AnotherDad
    @Art Deco


    Gentry liberals are indifferent to the actual welfare of blacks, as are black chauvinists. Everything said and done consists of status games or expanding the trade in political patronage.
     
    Well said Art.

    Those BLM yard signs--as is obvious both from the neighborhoods and what's on the signs themselves--have nothing to do with blacks, and everything to do with those whites virtue signaling their superiority to deplorable--i.e. in touch with reality--white people like me.

    As i walk my neighborhood, i'm building a list of who has put up such signs, so if the the shit really hits the fan, i'll know whom i should kill and eat.

    Replies: @gcochran, @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race

    , @Alden
    @Art Deco

    Why should any White person be actually interested in the welfare of blacks; either feigned like liberals or real like Heather MacDonald?

    Billions of wasted dollars, destruction of our great cities, endless effort I really really don’t care what happens to blacks. And if MacDonald really really cares about blacks, then F’er.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Art Deco

  14. The harsh reality – blacks really don’t like each other very much.

  15. These black-white violent crime differences are so enormous that they certainly must be genetic in origin. The environmental differences between US black and white communities are not large enough to account for them.

  16. I read the column, and, yes, the black violence is at a high level indeed. I don’t see why I should care at all about black-on-black violence myself, though. Perhaps that’s an issue that black “leaders” could take up, instead of just trying to to get free stuff out of the white people for their people, or, mostly themselves, actually.

    I do like that FDR, who was simply President and not a bank loan officer himself, is blamed for the problem yet again. He was a scumbag Socialist who is responsible for the transition in this country away from real Capitalism. In a way, you could say he is responsible for some of black people’s problems, though not the violence directly. He started what Lyndon Johnson finished 30 years later, which was implementing the culture of dependency on government. Blacks went for this in a big way. That’s not helped them one bit, as many problems as they already inherently had.

    So, yes, it probably is time to take down some FDR statues. I won’t hold a vigil against that, so knock yourselves out. While you people are at it, take down any LBJ statues that may have been erroneously erected. Let me know what size cable and what hardware you may need …

    • Agree: Almost Missouri, Ace
    • Replies: @Peter D. Bredon
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I seem to recall that the only FDR statue was somewhat recent, and was controversial because they wanted to depict him sitting, presumably in a wheelchair. So you can't really "take down" the statue, but I guess you could wheel him away out of sight.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  17. • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Altai

    That can't be the reality in America ... the people in the crowd are way too skinny.

    Replies: @Altai

  18. None of the current trendy anti-racists seem to have connected the dots about gun control. That, if implemented, ghetto blacks would be disarmed and really at the mercy of all the cops trying to add notches to their weapons for every brother they kill. Just kidding folks. Guns in the Hood have nothing to do with the Second Amendment.

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    @Dan Smith

    Good point! Guns in the hood are about as far as one can get from "a well-regulated militia."

  19. I want to pre-agree with the excellent commenter who puts it that the Black-White chasm is insuperable by integration or other assimilationist tactics, by the massive redistribution of wealth and income from mostly Whites to mostly Blacks under one guise or another, by the over-funding of mostly Black secondary schools with nothing to show for it, by explicit state-sanctioned hiring and education preferences that unfairly diminish the prospects for more talented Whites, etc.

    Even those of us who wish no ill to our fellow Black Americans don’t see any mileage in continuing the architecture of civil rights legislation that smears all Whites by virtue of their (Whites’) skin color alone.

    • Agree: Patriot, Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @Forbes
    @JackOH


    Even those of us who wish no ill to our fellow Black Americans don’t see any mileage in continuing the architecture of civil rights legislation that smears all Whites by virtue of their (Whites’) skin color alone (Black) behavior and poor life choices leading to dismal outcomes.
     
    My view...
    , @obwandiyag
    @JackOH

    All you bozos suffer from severe innumeracy.

    "Massive redistribution of wealth"?

    Haha. Ha.

    Peanuts.

    The real massive redistribution of wealth is from all of us to the rich.

    But of course your kind don't complain about that.

    Because you are temporarily embarrassed billionaires.

    Replies: @vinteuil

  20. I don’t grok this point:

    Moreover, among male victims of domestic murders:

    What may be more surprising, though, is that intimate partner violence also contributes to the excess risk faced by black men. Among the male victims…the racial imbalance was even more striking than among female ones: nearly half of the men who died in these incidents of intimate partner violence were black.

    Half of the men dying from intimate partner violence are black. In the context of all the other homicide data, why is this “more striking?”

    • Replies: @Peter Johnson
    @eric

    The author wants to claim that there is no genetics-based difference in tendency toward violence between the two groups and all of the difference is due to FDR red-lining, police brutality toward blacks, etc. The empirical reality that the same type of violence differential applies to inter-spousal violence does not conform to his blank-slate model. Hence he is surprised. Eventually he will figure out how FDR redlining etc. causes black women to kill their husbands. He just needs time to concoct a story explaining why it is the fault of systemic racism perpetrated by whites. His overwhelming objective is to never acknowledge the genetic reality of HBD.

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @eric

    I couldn't understand that either. Was he dancing around the point that black women also commit murder at a high rate, probably higher than that of white men?

    Replies: @AndrewR

    , @lanskrim
    @eric

    Black women are 28% of female victims of domestic violence, but black men comprise almost 50% of male victims of domestic violence.

    , @Almost Missouri
    @eric

    Yeah, I kind of glided over that one thinking, "well, Steve probably knows what that's about, even if I don't."

    In general a lot of the "data" cited are not so much data as comparison ratios, which don't have a consistent baseline.

    So for instance,



    In the United States today, a young black man has fifteen times the chance of dying from violence as his white counterpart.
     

     
    Steve points out that varies as a function of white baseline violence:

    Contrary to the usual assumptions that racial gaps are driven by white bigotry, they tend to be smallest in Southern and old Wild West[*] states, and largest where whites are best-behaved, such as in North-Central blue states:

    In the state of Illinois, for instance, the homicide death rate for young African-American men (ages fifteen to twenty-nine) has averaged 143 per 100,000 over the course of the twenty-first century, thirty-seven times the rate for white men the same age.
     

     
    Steve is probably correct, but rather than all this complicating ratio-dazzling, I would prefer just to know what are the violent death rates by race and by state, so that we could judge for ourselves how much it is the white denominator versus the black numerator that skew these black-versus-white ratios.

    For example Currie says,


    What makes these disparities even more sobering is that the rates of violent death for white men in the United States are themselves quite high by comparison with those of men in other advanced industrial societies…. The current annual homicide death rate for non-Hispanic white men in the United States, at nearly four per 100,000, is more than five times the rate for all German men, and close to twenty times the rate for men in Japan
     

     
    In context, this implies that US whites are much more violent than than their Old World cousins, which may have some truth, but I suspect a big part of the answer is that where whites live in close proximity to blacks, such as in the old South, whites tend to be on the receiving end of black violence more.

    There is an implicit assumption in a lot of this social science-y writing (and in Steve's reviews of it) that most violence is intra-racial, happening in separate stovepipes (except of course for white cops crossing over to violate black bodies, which is part of the media-justified hysteria against white people), but a simpler model might be: more proximity to blacks = more violent death, especially for white people, whom blacks evidently single out for violence. Indeed, given the lower clearance rates of inter-racial crimes and the resulting vast empty spaces in the racial crime stats, it is entirely possible that inter-racial violence is the most common form.

    ------

    *The apparently high "white"-on-white violence in the old Wild West may be a result of the FBI's infamous Hispanic muddle factor, where the FBI mixes Hispanics with white as offenders, but not as victims.

    Replies: @syonredux

    , @Bill Jones
    @eric

    Apparently getting shacked up with black women is supposed to be risk free.

    Who knew?

    Not an assumption I'd have made.

    , @Steve Sailer
    @eric

    Because the intimate partners of black male intimate partner murder victims are either black women or gay men, neither of whom seem all that scary, but they still commit a surprising number of murders.

  21. @JohnnyWalker123

    In the United States today, a young black man has fifteen times the chance of dying from violence as his white counterpart.

    Why do murderous blacks and their victims skew so young? Among whites, “hardened criminals” tend to be considerably older than they are among blacks. Does the violence gap between the races decline with age? It’s an unanswered question whether the racial disparity in homicidal tendencies actually diminishes with increasing age, or whether blacks of criminal inclinations simply tend to wind up dead or in prison earlier than whites do.
     
    White "hardened criminals" usually are isolated loners who terrorize their extended families. At some point, their families get tired of them and try to cut them off financially and kick them out. That can precipitate serious violence. Usually, this happens when the criminal is older and has already burned lots of bridges. Many of these criminals have had their brains ruined through many years of alcohol and drug abuse. Many are born with some degree of mental illness, which gets worse as they age.

    In some cases, when the individual is kicked out, they become a vagrant. That can introduce the possibility for some occasional violence too, often against other vagrants or sometimes random strangers. Especially when people fight over drugs, they can hurt each other.

    Black "hardened criminals" can be older too, but there are lots of young Black men who like to fight other young Black men for alpha male dominance in their communities. They want to be the "most thug @ss n*gga on da block. Gangsta 4 lyfe."

    Black "hardened criminals" are very embedded in their communities and often an important part of the social fabric. They have lots of friends and close family members. They're quite influential and popular, often being at the center of social activities. White "hardened" criminals, on the other hand, are usually socially isolated and have no one to hang out with them. Most consider them "losers."

    Out of curiosity, are there any White neighborhoods left in which young men struggle to determine who's the "baddest" alpha male on the block? I can't think of any. There were some low-income White areas that were sort of like that in the past, but those young men fought with their fists. Most of those areas are now gentrified or taken over by non-Whites. Southie, for example.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Jamie_NYC, @J.Ross, @anonymous, @Old Prude, @Sean, @Peter D. Bredon, @Jack D, @Welked Joni, @Ripple Earthdevil

    Makes sense; but also: young black men have higher testosterone levels than young white men. The opposite is true for older men (I’m not sure what the cross-over age is). Older black criminals are simply burned out. If you hear about 45-year old burglar, he’s most probably white (or Hispanic).

  22. @eric
    I don't grok this point:

    Moreover, among male victims of domestic murders:

    What may be more surprising, though, is that intimate partner violence also contributes to the excess risk faced by black men. Among the male victims…the racial imbalance was even more striking than among female ones: nearly half of the men who died in these incidents of intimate partner violence were black.
     
    Half of the men dying from intimate partner violence are black. In the context of all the other homicide data, why is this "more striking?"

    Replies: @Peter Johnson, @Harry Baldwin, @lanskrim, @Almost Missouri, @Bill Jones, @Steve Sailer

    The author wants to claim that there is no genetics-based difference in tendency toward violence between the two groups and all of the difference is due to FDR red-lining, police brutality toward blacks, etc. The empirical reality that the same type of violence differential applies to inter-spousal violence does not conform to his blank-slate model. Hence he is surprised. Eventually he will figure out how FDR redlining etc. causes black women to kill their husbands. He just needs time to concoct a story explaining why it is the fault of systemic racism perpetrated by whites. His overwhelming objective is to never acknowledge the genetic reality of HBD.

  23. Anonymous[503] • Disclaimer says:

    The criminologist offers a lengthy historical explanation of why that is still, in 2020, the fault of whites (as you no doubt would anticipate, FDR’s redlining plays a role), but the 21st-century empirical data in the book is eye-opening:

    In the United States today, a young black man has fifteen times the chance of dying from violence as his white counterpart.

    That fact alone isn’t surprising (“eye-opening”).

  24. You really should insist on Taki’s firing of the dip-shit sub-editor who came up with the headline:

    “The Numbers Don’t Lie.”

    Nothing lies better.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    @Bill Jones

    Maybe should have been: "These numbers don't lie." Otherwise, a minor quibble. I've never wished to be an English grammar technician. Such a burden. But does it pay well?

  25. @JohnnyWalker123

    In the United States today, a young black man has fifteen times the chance of dying from violence as his white counterpart.

    Why do murderous blacks and their victims skew so young? Among whites, “hardened criminals” tend to be considerably older than they are among blacks. Does the violence gap between the races decline with age? It’s an unanswered question whether the racial disparity in homicidal tendencies actually diminishes with increasing age, or whether blacks of criminal inclinations simply tend to wind up dead or in prison earlier than whites do.
     
    White "hardened criminals" usually are isolated loners who terrorize their extended families. At some point, their families get tired of them and try to cut them off financially and kick them out. That can precipitate serious violence. Usually, this happens when the criminal is older and has already burned lots of bridges. Many of these criminals have had their brains ruined through many years of alcohol and drug abuse. Many are born with some degree of mental illness, which gets worse as they age.

    In some cases, when the individual is kicked out, they become a vagrant. That can introduce the possibility for some occasional violence too, often against other vagrants or sometimes random strangers. Especially when people fight over drugs, they can hurt each other.

    Black "hardened criminals" can be older too, but there are lots of young Black men who like to fight other young Black men for alpha male dominance in their communities. They want to be the "most thug @ss n*gga on da block. Gangsta 4 lyfe."

    Black "hardened criminals" are very embedded in their communities and often an important part of the social fabric. They have lots of friends and close family members. They're quite influential and popular, often being at the center of social activities. White "hardened" criminals, on the other hand, are usually socially isolated and have no one to hang out with them. Most consider them "losers."

    Out of curiosity, are there any White neighborhoods left in which young men struggle to determine who's the "baddest" alpha male on the block? I can't think of any. There were some low-income White areas that were sort of like that in the past, but those young men fought with their fists. Most of those areas are now gentrified or taken over by non-Whites. Southie, for example.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Jamie_NYC, @J.Ross, @anonymous, @Old Prude, @Sean, @Peter D. Bredon, @Jack D, @Welked Joni, @Ripple Earthdevil

    This model suggests that the family and not the state is wider society’s major defense against troublemakers, with blacks suffering more because they have trouble forming families.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @J.Ross


    blacks suffering more because they have trouble forming families.
     
    That's a factor. However, even if you look at Blacks who live with families, they're much more violent and obsessed with alpha male dominance than Whites. Plenty of Black criminals have large extended families who took care of them.
  26. anonymous[105] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    In the United States today, a young black man has fifteen times the chance of dying from violence as his white counterpart.

    Why do murderous blacks and their victims skew so young? Among whites, “hardened criminals” tend to be considerably older than they are among blacks. Does the violence gap between the races decline with age? It’s an unanswered question whether the racial disparity in homicidal tendencies actually diminishes with increasing age, or whether blacks of criminal inclinations simply tend to wind up dead or in prison earlier than whites do.
     
    White "hardened criminals" usually are isolated loners who terrorize their extended families. At some point, their families get tired of them and try to cut them off financially and kick them out. That can precipitate serious violence. Usually, this happens when the criminal is older and has already burned lots of bridges. Many of these criminals have had their brains ruined through many years of alcohol and drug abuse. Many are born with some degree of mental illness, which gets worse as they age.

    In some cases, when the individual is kicked out, they become a vagrant. That can introduce the possibility for some occasional violence too, often against other vagrants or sometimes random strangers. Especially when people fight over drugs, they can hurt each other.

    Black "hardened criminals" can be older too, but there are lots of young Black men who like to fight other young Black men for alpha male dominance in their communities. They want to be the "most thug @ss n*gga on da block. Gangsta 4 lyfe."

    Black "hardened criminals" are very embedded in their communities and often an important part of the social fabric. They have lots of friends and close family members. They're quite influential and popular, often being at the center of social activities. White "hardened" criminals, on the other hand, are usually socially isolated and have no one to hang out with them. Most consider them "losers."

    Out of curiosity, are there any White neighborhoods left in which young men struggle to determine who's the "baddest" alpha male on the block? I can't think of any. There were some low-income White areas that were sort of like that in the past, but those young men fought with their fists. Most of those areas are now gentrified or taken over by non-Whites. Southie, for example.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Jamie_NYC, @J.Ross, @anonymous, @Old Prude, @Sean, @Peter D. Bredon, @Jack D, @Welked Joni, @Ripple Earthdevil

    Out of curiosity, are there any White neighborhoods left in which young men struggle to determine who’s the “baddest” alpha male on the block?

    There are still a few small white ghettos remaining in Cincinnati, such as Lower Price Hill and the East End, where that is a thing to some degree.

    Lower Price Hill:

    Pittsburgh has some similar areas. Also Tulsa.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @anonymous

    That White youth, who was killed in a party in Cincinnati, attended a school that was 77% Black and 14% White. A local gang is suspected. No one is talking.

    https://www.schooldigger.com/go/OH/schools/0437504219/school.aspx

    Odds are that the killing was done by Blacks. All the above evidence suggests it.

    Lower Price Hill has White slums, sure, but is there any evidence of White youths engaging in significant violence?

  27. In the Evil Cop Narrative sell,
    Misdirection has served the Left well.
    While what really is scarin’
    Are genes Sub-Saharan:
    A story the libtards won’t tell.

  28. I’m more interested in other numbers. How many whites have been murdered by Blacks! since ’00? How many total people have Blacks! murdered since ’00? 200,000? More?

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @JimDandy

    That's a good question, and I think is the underlying question most people really want addressed. But it is surprisingly difficult to find any kind of definitive answer. Even the famous Color of Crime report only addresses it obliquely and only in a single sentence in the latest report:


    In 2013 ... blacks were 13.6 times more likely to kill non-blacks than non-blacks were to kill blacks.
    [Color of Crime 2016]
     
    Looking at the FBI's 2013 homicide table referenced in The Color of Crime, gives 409 black-on-white murders for that year, which I think is pretty typical result in this century. But, those annual FBI homicide-by-race tables typically only tabulate about 3000 homicides of whites, while the FBI's "Expanded Homicide Data Table 1" typically shows 5000-7000 homicides of whites per year, so they're only looking at about half of all white homicides.

    Why? Two reasons.
    1) The FBI table only considers "single-victim single-offender" homicides, so their table doesn't include homicides like the Christian-Newsom murders or the Wichita Massacre notwithstanding that all the victims were white and all the perps were black.
    2) A lot of homicides are never solved.

    Presumably the data to resolve the first category exist in the FBI's intake, but they don't publish that, so far as I know. The second category is more opaque.

    If we were able to see the perps for the other half of white homicide victims, what would they look like? The simple way to answer that is simply to prorate the known figures. So instead of 400-odd black-on-white murders per year there are 800-900 black-on-white murders per year.

    A simple proration seems "fair", but is there any reason to suppose that unsolved murders are different from solved murders? Yes, there is. The less connection there is between the murderer and the victim, the harder the crime is to solve. And "less connected" murderers and victims are less likely to be of the same race. Or in other words, unsolved murders are more likely to be interracial murders. So the missing half of murders are more likely than the solved half to be interracial murders. So 800-900 black-on-white murders per year is likely a low estimate. How low? Well, there are typically 5000-7000 white homicide victims per year. From the FBI's "Expanded Homicide Data Table 6" referenced above, we know the racial disposition of about 3000 of them. From our naive proration, we already assigned 400-odd to the black-perp category. That leaves another 2500 or so where the perp's race is unknown. If all of those were black, then the black-on-white total would be 3400 per year. But that's probably too high. The unsolved portion is almost certainly not entirely interracial, though it is probably more interracial than the solved portion. So it's probably more than 1000 but less than 3000. So maybe 1800 per year is a conservative estimate. That's about five per day or one every four hours or so, if you want to calculate when your number will be up.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @James B. Shearer, @ic1000

  29. What is it with liberal professionals and black men? They aren’t pets to be trained. The only one at fault for killing a black man is that of the killer. If it tends to be a black men, then oh well.

  30. In my personal experience of living in a black neighborhood, part of the problem is that despite everyone knowing exactly who is doing what, no one *ever* will provide that information to the cops, and parents of these kids do not believe in turning them in for their own good or protecting the neighbohood. I had one lady down the block whose son would periodically beat the daylights out of his girlfriend right on the sidewalk, but when sirens were heard from approaching cops (undoubtedly called from behind the curtains by a white neighbor), the mother would drag them both into her house and nobody saw/heard nothing.

    The other element completely missing from the discussion although hard to ignore if you have even passing familiarity with ‘the community’ is that personal slights are *always* responded to with threats of violence that frequently are followed up on to preserve face. Granted, I am more familiar with the habits of lower income blacks than anyone else since I have lived in such a neighborhood and have not lived with lower income whites or Latinos, but it seems to me no one is as quick to mete out physical punishment.

    Steve makes a key observation that the progressive explanation for the astounding rates of black violence are that they turn upon each other rather than the whites that deserve it – but which is still a disconcerting explanation if you stop and think about it, since it implicitly says black violence is justified, just misdirected.

    • Thanks: HammerJack
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Arclight

    Well the statistics speak for themselves (blacks are by far the most violent race), but lots of whites like to fight. A lot.

    , @Morton's toes
    @Arclight

    Nothing like waking up at 2:00 A.M. to the sound of one person yelling at another,

    "I'm gonna f**k you up ni**er"

    Then

    SMACK!

    Never heard one time the melanin scarce parallel. Weird how you can hear a shout at 2:00 A.M. and you can make that discernment with zero ambiguity.

    (Anecdotal data!)

    , @Anon
    @Arclight


    The other element completely missing from the discussion although hard to ignore if you have even passing familiarity with ‘the community’ is that personal slights are *always* responded to with threats of violence that frequently are followed up on to preserve face.
     
    This is probably something that could actually produce useful advice for a low socioeconomic status young person. Unlike the clueless pundits' advice that All You Need to Do to get out of a bad neighborhood is to become a machine learning expert and work in Palo Alto, learning a strategic way to handle being disrespected might be something that's actually feasible for some people.

    The typical savvy white collar worker who has a jerk boss will take the abuse for a while, stew over it, and figure out a way to make a clean transition to another job. In my experience, a lot of lower SES people of all races will just flip out at their boss one day, give them the finger, and quit on the spot. Then they're jobless....and then they can't pay the rent...and so on.

    Replies: @Arclight

    , @rebel yell
    @Arclight


    The other element completely missing from the discussion although hard to ignore if you have even passing familiarity with ‘the community’ is that personal slights are *always* responded to with threats of violence that frequently are followed up on to preserve face.
     
    Yes, honor culture is a big source of violence. Steven Pinker and Thomas Sowell have good discussions of this referencing the Scots-Irish, blacks, and others. Genetics and historical circumstances are causes and can reinforce each other in a vicious circle.
    The solution to this problem is to bring Matt Dillon to town and establish law and order. Long prison sentences and executions will cool down the hot head culture short term and weed out the bad genes long term.
  31. Nobody cares about black-on-black crime, because the media is really about propaganda, not news.

    But also because everybody prefers “man bites dog” vs “dog bites man” stories.

    No one cares about black crime (not even other blacks) and even black crime against whites gets more news (even if it doesn’t fit the agenda) than black on black, because, well, I guess every one assumes that crime is what black people usually do, i.e. “dog bites dog”, not even “dog bites man”.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @Dumbo

    There is a dynamic to MSM coverage (or non-coverage) of black crime. The MSM makes a National Morality Play out of Laci and Scott Peterson, also Casey Anthony and the Natalee Holloway affair. In these everybody involved was white.

    On the other hand, the only black on white murder to ever be a National Morality Play was the O.J. Simpson farce. And in that one, the MSM made the white LAPD detective into the villain. Even before Mark Furhman became the story, the MSM picked away at the evidence and never admitted the case against Simpson was overwhelming.

    Some liberals whine that "only dead pretty white girls get coverage." Well yes. A pretty white girl victim gets big coverage when the suspect looks like Scott Peterson or Joran van der Sloot. When the suspects look like Lemaricus Davidson and Eric Boyd the story is local only.

    Ironically, this is why black on black murders get little or no national coverage. They would have to show the suspect.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @Forbes
    @Dumbo

    Bias, slant, and agenda is even more prevalent in what the MSM doesn't report, as what it does report.

    To say, "nobody cares" is to miss the intent, the agenda. They care so much that the news or information is purposefully buried--ignored in order to push the propaganda of The Narrative.

  32. @eric
    I don't grok this point:

    Moreover, among male victims of domestic murders:

    What may be more surprising, though, is that intimate partner violence also contributes to the excess risk faced by black men. Among the male victims…the racial imbalance was even more striking than among female ones: nearly half of the men who died in these incidents of intimate partner violence were black.
     
    Half of the men dying from intimate partner violence are black. In the context of all the other homicide data, why is this "more striking?"

    Replies: @Peter Johnson, @Harry Baldwin, @lanskrim, @Almost Missouri, @Bill Jones, @Steve Sailer

    I couldn’t understand that either. Was he dancing around the point that black women also commit murder at a high rate, probably higher than that of white men?

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Harry Baldwin

    Probably.

    I made the mistake of dating a black girl years ago. She seemed chill and non-ghetto until one evening she shoved me after I told her to leave my house after she insulted me. I wasn't even in her way. The shove was 100% gratuitous. Then she returned soon after because she had allegedly left her phone in my house. Given the completely unexpected and unnecessary violence she had previously inflicted, it's needless to say that I wasn't happy about her being in my house still, amd I had no idea what she might do. I debated grabbing my shotgun but I opted to call 911 just to cover my ass.

    I said to the dispatcher "there is an intruder in my house who just assaulted me but if she leaves right now I will hang up." Then this girl proceeded to punch me in the face. I am not making this up. After hitting me with her purse a few times, she left and I told the dispatcher where she was headed (she was on foot). The cops brought her back swiftly (it's a wealthy town with little crime and a lot of cops) and asked if I wanted to press charges. I said I didn't know but I wanted her locked up for the night. They said they wouldn't do that. By the way, I had witnesses (besides the dispatcher) and I don't even think she denied hitting me. I couldn't believe it.

    I ended up not pressing charges. In retrospect I should have raised hell about the worthless cops. The incident also put me on the city's radar in a way that was unpleasant for me, but that's another story.

    In conclusion: NEVER date blacks and NEVER trust cops or any government leeched.

    Replies: @Rob McX, @duncsbaby, @Sam Malone

  33. If I could send half of them all the way to Africa, I’d instead send all of them half way to Africa.

  34. @Harry Baldwin
    @eric

    I couldn't understand that either. Was he dancing around the point that black women also commit murder at a high rate, probably higher than that of white men?

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Probably.

    I made the mistake of dating a black girl years ago. She seemed chill and non-ghetto until one evening she shoved me after I told her to leave my house after she insulted me. I wasn’t even in her way. The shove was 100% gratuitous. Then she returned soon after because she had allegedly left her phone in my house. Given the completely unexpected and unnecessary violence she had previously inflicted, it’s needless to say that I wasn’t happy about her being in my house still, amd I had no idea what she might do. I debated grabbing my shotgun but I opted to call 911 just to cover my ass.

    I said to the dispatcher “there is an intruder in my house who just assaulted me but if she leaves right now I will hang up.” Then this girl proceeded to punch me in the face. I am not making this up. After hitting me with her purse a few times, she left and I told the dispatcher where she was headed (she was on foot). The cops brought her back swiftly (it’s a wealthy town with little crime and a lot of cops) and asked if I wanted to press charges. I said I didn’t know but I wanted her locked up for the night. They said they wouldn’t do that. By the way, I had witnesses (besides the dispatcher) and I don’t even think she denied hitting me. I couldn’t believe it.

    I ended up not pressing charges. In retrospect I should have raised hell about the worthless cops. The incident also put me on the city’s radar in a way that was unpleasant for me, but that’s another story.

    In conclusion: NEVER date blacks and NEVER trust cops or any government leeched.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @AndrewR


    The cops brought her back swiftly (it’s a wealthy town with little crime and a lot of cops) and asked if I wanted to press charges. I said I didn’t know but I wanted her locked up for the night. They said they wouldn’t do that.
     
    That's the problem. You can't ask cops to lock someone up unless you're committed to pressing charges. If you end up not pressing charges, the incarceration was a form of extra-judicial punishment dictated by you. Cops aren't going to go along with that.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    , @duncsbaby
    @AndrewR

    You should've pressed charges if you wanted her arrested. Don't be mad at the cops for doing their job.
    You definitely learned your lesson about dating a black girl but not about calling the cops. I understand why you did call the cops but if you aren't going to press charges for the assault, it's hardly their fault for not arresting the offender.

    , @Sam Malone
    @AndrewR

    Do you mean the incident put you on the radar of the city's cops or other officials, or on the radar of her local negro friends? Did anything happen?

  35. @Dieter Kief

    As Currie admits, the vast majority of black murder victims are unquestionably killed by other blacks.
     
    Facts that have to be admitted - by specialists in the field.

    (Btw . - I don't think this is remark is wrong, or off at all. It's right. - and telling too).

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @SunBakedSuburb, @Forbes

    But as with the IQ debate, most of this crowd, including the moderates, are happy to bury reports they think are “unhelpful” even if true. They’re terrified you’ll go all Fourth Reich if you knew the truth.

    I’m posting this now about 9am in the morning. I’ve had something else in moderation for 6 hours. Makes discourse difficult. I guess that’s the point. Feel free to play anagrams and sports trivia all you want. Those topics don’t disturb anyone.

  36. All well known to those of us in cities like Chicago….In one year there, there was a total of one (1) murder by whites and asians combined, but several hundred by blacks, as usual….

    BTW, after Taki’s disgraceful comments on the election, I lost interest in supporting his site….Along with many others I suspect…

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @pyrrhus


    ...there was a total of one (1) murder by whites and asians combined...
     
    So a White guy and an Asian guy teamed up to kill somebody?

    Replies: @Lurker

  37. @Arclight
    In my personal experience of living in a black neighborhood, part of the problem is that despite everyone knowing exactly who is doing what, no one *ever* will provide that information to the cops, and parents of these kids do not believe in turning them in for their own good or protecting the neighbohood. I had one lady down the block whose son would periodically beat the daylights out of his girlfriend right on the sidewalk, but when sirens were heard from approaching cops (undoubtedly called from behind the curtains by a white neighbor), the mother would drag them both into her house and nobody saw/heard nothing.

    The other element completely missing from the discussion although hard to ignore if you have even passing familiarity with 'the community' is that personal slights are *always* responded to with threats of violence that frequently are followed up on to preserve face. Granted, I am more familiar with the habits of lower income blacks than anyone else since I have lived in such a neighborhood and have not lived with lower income whites or Latinos, but it seems to me no one is as quick to mete out physical punishment.

    Steve makes a key observation that the progressive explanation for the astounding rates of black violence are that they turn upon each other rather than the whites that deserve it - but which is still a disconcerting explanation if you stop and think about it, since it implicitly says black violence is justified, just misdirected.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Morton's toes, @Anon, @rebel yell

    Well the statistics speak for themselves (blacks are by far the most violent race), but lots of whites like to fight. A lot.

  38. Many conservatives credulously believe progressives’ claims that the social sciences vindicate liberal ideology. But, when read carefully, social scientific works can be a trove of politically incorrect data.

    The remarkable thing about confirmation bias is that is invisible to the subject. It’s sort of like the inverse of Harvey the Rabbit.

  39. @JohnnyWalker123

    In the United States today, a young black man has fifteen times the chance of dying from violence as his white counterpart.

    Why do murderous blacks and their victims skew so young? Among whites, “hardened criminals” tend to be considerably older than they are among blacks. Does the violence gap between the races decline with age? It’s an unanswered question whether the racial disparity in homicidal tendencies actually diminishes with increasing age, or whether blacks of criminal inclinations simply tend to wind up dead or in prison earlier than whites do.
     
    White "hardened criminals" usually are isolated loners who terrorize their extended families. At some point, their families get tired of them and try to cut them off financially and kick them out. That can precipitate serious violence. Usually, this happens when the criminal is older and has already burned lots of bridges. Many of these criminals have had their brains ruined through many years of alcohol and drug abuse. Many are born with some degree of mental illness, which gets worse as they age.

    In some cases, when the individual is kicked out, they become a vagrant. That can introduce the possibility for some occasional violence too, often against other vagrants or sometimes random strangers. Especially when people fight over drugs, they can hurt each other.

    Black "hardened criminals" can be older too, but there are lots of young Black men who like to fight other young Black men for alpha male dominance in their communities. They want to be the "most thug @ss n*gga on da block. Gangsta 4 lyfe."

    Black "hardened criminals" are very embedded in their communities and often an important part of the social fabric. They have lots of friends and close family members. They're quite influential and popular, often being at the center of social activities. White "hardened" criminals, on the other hand, are usually socially isolated and have no one to hang out with them. Most consider them "losers."

    Out of curiosity, are there any White neighborhoods left in which young men struggle to determine who's the "baddest" alpha male on the block? I can't think of any. There were some low-income White areas that were sort of like that in the past, but those young men fought with their fists. Most of those areas are now gentrified or taken over by non-Whites. Southie, for example.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Jamie_NYC, @J.Ross, @anonymous, @Old Prude, @Sean, @Peter D. Bredon, @Jack D, @Welked Joni, @Ripple Earthdevil

    We had a bold black man living in our lily white Maine town. He was always stirring up trouble and loving it. Part of the fabric of the community you might say. Until he gunned down two white loud mouths who were getting on his nerves and we put him in the stir.

  40. @eric
    I don't grok this point:

    Moreover, among male victims of domestic murders:

    What may be more surprising, though, is that intimate partner violence also contributes to the excess risk faced by black men. Among the male victims…the racial imbalance was even more striking than among female ones: nearly half of the men who died in these incidents of intimate partner violence were black.
     
    Half of the men dying from intimate partner violence are black. In the context of all the other homicide data, why is this "more striking?"

    Replies: @Peter Johnson, @Harry Baldwin, @lanskrim, @Almost Missouri, @Bill Jones, @Steve Sailer

    Black women are 28% of female victims of domestic violence, but black men comprise almost 50% of male victims of domestic violence.

  41. @eric
    I don't grok this point:

    Moreover, among male victims of domestic murders:

    What may be more surprising, though, is that intimate partner violence also contributes to the excess risk faced by black men. Among the male victims…the racial imbalance was even more striking than among female ones: nearly half of the men who died in these incidents of intimate partner violence were black.
     
    Half of the men dying from intimate partner violence are black. In the context of all the other homicide data, why is this "more striking?"

    Replies: @Peter Johnson, @Harry Baldwin, @lanskrim, @Almost Missouri, @Bill Jones, @Steve Sailer

    Yeah, I kind of glided over that one thinking, “well, Steve probably knows what that’s about, even if I don’t.”

    In general a lot of the “data” cited are not so much data as comparison ratios, which don’t have a consistent baseline.

    So for instance,

    In the United States today, a young black man has fifteen times the chance of dying from violence as his white counterpart.

    Steve points out that varies as a function of white baseline violence:

    Contrary to the usual assumptions that racial gaps are driven by white bigotry, they tend to be smallest in Southern and old Wild West[*] states, and largest where whites are best-behaved, such as in North-Central blue states:

    In the state of Illinois, for instance, the homicide death rate for young African-American men (ages fifteen to twenty-nine) has averaged 143 per 100,000 over the course of the twenty-first century, thirty-seven times the rate for white men the same age.

    Steve is probably correct, but rather than all this complicating ratio-dazzling, I would prefer just to know what are the violent death rates by race and by state, so that we could judge for ourselves how much it is the white denominator versus the black numerator that skew these black-versus-white ratios.

    For example Currie says,

    What makes these disparities even more sobering is that the rates of violent death for white men in the United States are themselves quite high by comparison with those of men in other advanced industrial societies…. The current annual homicide death rate for non-Hispanic white men in the United States, at nearly four per 100,000, is more than five times the rate for all German men, and close to twenty times the rate for men in Japan

    In context, this implies that US whites are much more violent than than their Old World cousins, which may have some truth, but I suspect a big part of the answer is that where whites live in close proximity to blacks, such as in the old South, whites tend to be on the receiving end of black violence more.

    There is an implicit assumption in a lot of this social science-y writing (and in Steve’s reviews of it) that most violence is intra-racial, happening in separate stovepipes (except of course for white cops crossing over to violate black bodies, which is part of the media-justified hysteria against white people), but a simpler model might be: more proximity to blacks = more violent death, especially for white people, whom blacks evidently single out for violence. Indeed, given the lower clearance rates of inter-racial crimes and the resulting vast empty spaces in the racial crime stats, it is entirely possible that inter-racial violence is the most common form.

    ——

    *The apparently high “white”-on-white violence in the old Wild West may be a result of the FBI’s infamous Hispanic muddle factor, where the FBI mixes Hispanics with white as offenders, but not as victims.

    • Agree: Gordo, cronkitsche
    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Almost Missouri


    *The apparently high “white”-on-white violence in the old Wild West may be a result of the FBI’s infamous Hispanic muddle factor, where the FBI mixes Hispanics with white as offenders, but not as victims.
     
    I think that's it's more a matter of poor law enforcement and cultural factors. For the law enforcement side of things, the Canadian West offers a good point of comparison, as the Mounties were much more effective than their Yank counterparts when it came to establishing the rule of law. Indeed, for a really specific example, compare conditions in Alaska and the Yukon during the gold rush.....

    On the cultural side of things, Western towns settled by New Englanders (excluding the Catholic Irish, New England was the most orderly and law-abiding region of the country in the 19th century) had significantly lower homicide rates than towns settled by Southerners.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  42. n the state of Illinois, for instance, the homicide death rate for young African-American men (ages fifteen to twenty-nine) has averaged 143 per 100,000 over the course of the twenty-first century, thirty-seven times the rate for white men the same age.

    My theory has long been, going back to Chicago’s demolition of near-Loop housing projects, that, because poor black people are America’s perpetual hot potato that everybody hopes to hand off to somebody else, white urban elites wish to shove inner-city blacks onto the hinterlands.

    Downstate Illinois cities have a higher violent crime rate than does Chicago. Danville (hometown of Dick and Jerry Van Dyke, and Gene Hackman) was listed as the most violent city in the state on a per capita basis recently.

  43. Anonymous[724] • Disclaimer says:

    OT:

    https://www.jewishpress.com/news/jewish-news/biden-appoints-five-jews-to-top-posts-boy-are-their-mothers-proud/2020/11/24/

    As President-elect Joe Biden’s transition is kicking into high gear after the Trump administration’s General Services Administration on Monday finally agreed to acknowledge his victory, we can report that at least five Jews will serve in top positions in the new administration: Ronald A. Klain as White House Chief of Staff; Antony John Blinken as Secretary of State; Janet L. Yellen Secretary of the Treasury; Alejandro N. Mayorkas as Secretary of Homeland Security; and Avril Danica Haines as Director of National Intelligence.

  44. @Art Deco
    Gentry liberals are indifferent to the actual welfare of blacks, as are black chauvinists. Everything said and done consists of status games or expanding the trade in political patronage. The ordinary run of Republican politicians are largely indifferent as well because they're in office to promote a half-dozen shticks orthagonal to the welfare of blacks qua blacks. The difference between the two, of course, is that black voters are snookered into voting for the former contra the latter. The people who are actually interested in the welfare of blacks are hardheads like Heather Mac Donald. You can see the sort of reception she gets on college campuses. And you can see for this poseur Currie, social problems in the black population are merely a hook for faculty twerps to bash white-people-who-are-not-in-our-circle-of-friends.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @BenKenobi, @AnotherDad, @Alden

    Interest in the welfare of blacks is destroying the modern world…

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Anonymous

    It's doing nothing of the kind. That's just silly talk.

  45. anonymous[344] • Disclaimer says:

    The offloading of the underclass onto the (formerly) lily white ‘burbs is illustrated by the Section 8 phenomenon. I first noticed it about 10-15 years ago when I started noticing more and more young white women with baby carriages (!) getting off at the 125th Street station of the MetroNorth railroad in Manhattan. 125th Street is the heart of Harlem. Not long thereafter my work took me to that very locale on several occasions where I noticed more and more apartment buildings being refurbished into condos by real estate “developers.” This same phenomenon is taking place elsewhere in NYC and, obviously, in Chicago and probably elsewhere. All this represents a mere rearranging of the deck chairs on the Titanic–as iSteve suggests, merely transferring the problem from the cities to the ‘burbs.

    Bottom line: in an increasingly sophisticated, information-based society, these denizens of “the ‘hood” are lost in the cosmos. No matter where they go, the ‘hood will follow. And before long it becomes same old/same old. “Plus ça change…” etc.etc as the French saying goes.

  46. anonymous[243] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    OFF TOPIC:

    Another datum for the machine:

    SPAIN (Reuters) – At least eight people were drowned after a boat carrying more than 35 migrants from the Maghreb region of North Africa and heading towards the Canary Islands capsized on Tuesday, emergency services said on Wednesday.

    Four people were found dead late on Tuesday and another four bodies were rescued on Wednesday morning. The emergency services said they were searching for any more missing persons.

    One of the 28 migrants rescued had to be transferred to a hospital.

    A Reuters reporter saw rescue workers carry bodies on stretchers over the jagged rocks of Lanzarote’s Orzola beach before placing them down and covering them with blankets.

    Hundreds of people have died this year making the perilous crossing to the Spanish islands in the Atlantic Ocean, often in rickety, overcrowded boats with unreliable engines, according to the International Organization for Migration.

    Migrant arrivals in the Canary Islands have surged to 17,000 this year — 10 times last year’s total — as north and sub-Saharan Africans grow desperate after losing incomes from tourism, among sectors hit worst by the coronavirus pandemic.

    The Spanish government promised on Friday to assist in building shelters for arrivals as local authorities appealed for help in housing thousands of migrants who are sleeping out in the open.

    The perilous sea passage to the Canary Islands was once a more popular route but attempts became scarcer when Spain stepped up patrols in the mid-2000s.

    This year, with fewer options, migrants seeking an escape from poverty or conflict are again taking the longer, 1,400-km (870-mile) sea route to the islands off the Moroccan coast.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @anonymous


    Migrant arrivals in the Canary Islands have surged to 17,000 this year — 10 times last year’s total — as north and sub-Saharan Africans grow desperate after losing incomes from tourism, among sectors hit worst by the coronavirus pandemic.
     
    Africa's problems take precedence over Spain's of course. Think of what these hordes of Africans will do for the Canary Islands' own tourist industry, the main source of income there.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  47. All government spending programs are destructive.

    Our domestic spending programs lead to black-on-black violence; and functional illiteracy among a large proportion of the general population, among its other, notorious accomplishments.

    The phenomenon of unintended consequences gets buried in crime statistics.

    Our foreign spending programs export lethal violence. On an industrialized scale.

  48. @Dieter Kief

    As Currie admits, the vast majority of black murder victims are unquestionably killed by other blacks.
     
    Facts that have to be admitted - by specialists in the field.

    (Btw . - I don't think this is remark is wrong, or off at all. It's right. - and telling too).

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @SunBakedSuburb, @Forbes

    I’m still unsure as to whether statistics are the present day version of reading entrails. Apparently the demiurge is quite good at sifting through the guts. He needs to use his prodigious talent with innards to determine the age at which a woman’s laugh mutates into a cackle.

    • Replies: @David
    @SunBakedSuburb

    Tangential to your comment, Vitruvius says that in the process of selecting the location for a new colony, the ancients used to examine the organs of local game animals to make sure the area water and forage weren't toxic. He seems to think his contemporaries should still be doing it. So, like statistics, reading entrails might once have been a valid science.

  49. Anonymous[350] • Disclaimer says:

    One question that puzzles me is:
    “Are black women more murderous than white men, when measured on a per capita basis, in the USA?”.

    My suspicion is that it’s a close run thing, with the inclination of ‘favoring’ black women, but I have yet to see a thorough and painstaking analysis.

  50. “If not a single policeman killed a single black individual anywhere in the United States for this entire year, that would not reduce the number of black homicide victims by one percent.” -Thomas Sowell

    I’ve found Dr. Sowell’s observations about Black behavior and American media in his Twitter feed to be accurate, precise, and succinct.

  51. The number of true believers in the “black violence is the fault of white racism” theory has been rising sharply. In many parts of the country any Democrat office holder who pushed back against it would face an instant primary challenge that would to an almost certain loss. In a way, this book sounds similar to Christopher Caldwell’s The Age of Entitlement, which pointed out what a disaster the civil right legislation of the 1960s has been, but still considers it necessary and repealing it beyond the pale.

    Speaking of Caldwell, I was surprised to see The New Republic printing this analysis of the election by him. He admits Trump likely would have won if not for Covid. He also understands Biden has no chance of holding back the extremists on the left. He closed with:

    Longstanding traditions are undermined when only part of a country is able to take advantage of new technological possibilities. In the 1860s, three major Western countries—Germany, Italy, and the United States—each fought similar wars of national unification, in which the more dynamic part of the country subjugated the more bucolic (or backward) part. In our time, Democrats are the party of relatively greater technological and demographic dynamism, Republicans the party of relatively less. This is not the same type of relationship as the one that obtained until half a century ago, when Republicans were (roughly speaking) the party of capital, and Democrats the party of labor. Capital and labor need each other in a way that dynamism and tradition do not. One fears the present conflict will differ accordingly.

    It appears that at least on some level, both Caldwell and Currie are trying to get their fellow elites to understand how close the country is to descending into uncontrollable violence. I don’t get the impression either one would be in favor of the steps necessary to avoid it.

    https://newrepublic.com/article/160338/biden-popular-front-doomed-unravel

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @Barnard


    Democrats are the party of relatively greater technological and demographic dynamism, Republicans the party of relatively less.
     
    I don't think this holds water as a fact. It might be Caldwell's broad-brush impression, but even that is debatable as an issue. How is such dynamism defined? Dems dominate Twit & FB? What does that mean? Dems are the party of technology oligarchs? Dems pursue open borders to add third-world immigrants to their stable of dependency, thus enlarging their electoral prospects. Reps rejecting open borders is a lack of demographic dynamism??

    That's a long way from saying the South at the time of slavery was backward, as compared to the North. The North had a population of ~22 million, while the South had a population of ~9 million--about half were slaves.

    YMMV.

  52. Between 2000 and 2018…more than 162,000 black Americans lost their lives to violence…the population of a substantial midsize American city—say Jackson, Mississippi

    What’s the long-term outcome of this? I’m thinking of Europe in the Middle Ages where the death sentence was common:

    In medieval and early modern Europe, before the development of modern prison systems, the death penalty was also used as a generalized form of punishment for even minor offences. During the reign of Henry VIII of England, as many as 72,000 people are estimated to have been executed.

    From Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment#Middle_Ages

    Some people believe this weeded out the violent and criminally minded from the European population, altering them genetically.

    So with black Americans, does this increase the violence gene or decrease it?

    Argument for increasing violence genes: the violent ones are getting away with murder, sometimes not being caugh, and then producing more kids.

    Argument for decreasing violence genes: the ones being killed are in the violence game too, so the internecine deaths are reducing violence.

    • Replies: @Bert
    @TelfoedJohn

    Because of hypergamy, ghetto females will birth more genes of the more effective killers. Selection pressure is for more violence-prone males in future generations. Leaving 8 kids by 5 baby mamas is evolutionary success even if you die by age 23.

  53. anon[414] • Disclaimer says:

    Much of the country has been understandably outraged by the continuing plague of police killings of black Americans;

    It’s a puny plague that kills so few that almost every case is a headline.

    The actual plague is black Americans killing other black Americans; black Americans killing white Americans; black Americans killing asian Americans; black Americans killing Jewish Americans…

    Black Americans are 13% of the population and they commit over 50% of the murders every year.

    Not just some years, every year.

    Every year. Every single year. Decade after decade. For at least the last 40 years.

    That is a plague.

  54. Why do some blacks behave this way? Currie quotes one young Atlanta black man with a memorable facility for expressing his alarming worldview:

    There’s only a short time in this world for everybody. I’m going to make yours shorter than mine. Believe that. I don’t think about nobody but me and mines, you hear? No sympathy, no way.

  55. anon[216] • Disclaimer says:

    In the United States today, a young black man has fifteen times the chance of dying from violence as his white counterpart.

    There are two ways this ratio could be reduced. Unfortunately, the denominator remains the entire focus for proponents of this Racial Reckoning. They implicitly want it to grow, rather than see the numerator shrink.

  56. @JohnnyWalker123

    In the United States today, a young black man has fifteen times the chance of dying from violence as his white counterpart.

    Why do murderous blacks and their victims skew so young? Among whites, “hardened criminals” tend to be considerably older than they are among blacks. Does the violence gap between the races decline with age? It’s an unanswered question whether the racial disparity in homicidal tendencies actually diminishes with increasing age, or whether blacks of criminal inclinations simply tend to wind up dead or in prison earlier than whites do.
     
    White "hardened criminals" usually are isolated loners who terrorize their extended families. At some point, their families get tired of them and try to cut them off financially and kick them out. That can precipitate serious violence. Usually, this happens when the criminal is older and has already burned lots of bridges. Many of these criminals have had their brains ruined through many years of alcohol and drug abuse. Many are born with some degree of mental illness, which gets worse as they age.

    In some cases, when the individual is kicked out, they become a vagrant. That can introduce the possibility for some occasional violence too, often against other vagrants or sometimes random strangers. Especially when people fight over drugs, they can hurt each other.

    Black "hardened criminals" can be older too, but there are lots of young Black men who like to fight other young Black men for alpha male dominance in their communities. They want to be the "most thug @ss n*gga on da block. Gangsta 4 lyfe."

    Black "hardened criminals" are very embedded in their communities and often an important part of the social fabric. They have lots of friends and close family members. They're quite influential and popular, often being at the center of social activities. White "hardened" criminals, on the other hand, are usually socially isolated and have no one to hang out with them. Most consider them "losers."

    Out of curiosity, are there any White neighborhoods left in which young men struggle to determine who's the "baddest" alpha male on the block? I can't think of any. There were some low-income White areas that were sort of like that in the past, but those young men fought with their fists. Most of those areas are now gentrified or taken over by non-Whites. Southie, for example.

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    Why do murderous blacks and their victims skew so young? Among whites, “hardened criminals” tend to be considerably older than they are among blacks

    https://www.unz.com/pfrost/testosterone-and-human-variation/

    Testosterone levels are higher in black boys than in white boys as early as the prepubertal age class (5-9 yrs) (Abdelrahaman et al., 2005). Black males seem to reach maximum t levels during adolescence and early adulthood (Ross et al., 1986; Winters et al., 2001). The black-white difference then shrinks after 24 years of age and is gone by the early 30s (Gapstur et al., 2002). It actually seems to reverse in later years (Nyborg, 1994, p. 111-113).

    • Replies: @Bert
    @Sean

    This racial difference is one of the data points by which Philippe Rushton conceptualized a major racial difference in life history strategy, i.e. r-selection in Africans and K-selection in Northern Europeans and Northeast Asians.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R/K_selection_theory

    https://www.amazon.com/Race-Evolution-Behavior-History-Perspective/dp/0965683605

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @Sean

    Thanks. Though I'm willing to bet that even if you adjust for testosterone, Blacks are much more violent than Whites. Much more into trash talking and confrontation.

    High-T White men often do stuff like MMA, shooting guns at the range, bodybuilding, and modding cars. Typically, they don't fight other random High-T White men. Though back in the old days, they used to get into lots of bar brawl. Not anymore though.

    Replies: @Feryl

  57. @Almost Missouri
    @eric

    Yeah, I kind of glided over that one thinking, "well, Steve probably knows what that's about, even if I don't."

    In general a lot of the "data" cited are not so much data as comparison ratios, which don't have a consistent baseline.

    So for instance,



    In the United States today, a young black man has fifteen times the chance of dying from violence as his white counterpart.
     

     
    Steve points out that varies as a function of white baseline violence:

    Contrary to the usual assumptions that racial gaps are driven by white bigotry, they tend to be smallest in Southern and old Wild West[*] states, and largest where whites are best-behaved, such as in North-Central blue states:

    In the state of Illinois, for instance, the homicide death rate for young African-American men (ages fifteen to twenty-nine) has averaged 143 per 100,000 over the course of the twenty-first century, thirty-seven times the rate for white men the same age.
     

     
    Steve is probably correct, but rather than all this complicating ratio-dazzling, I would prefer just to know what are the violent death rates by race and by state, so that we could judge for ourselves how much it is the white denominator versus the black numerator that skew these black-versus-white ratios.

    For example Currie says,


    What makes these disparities even more sobering is that the rates of violent death for white men in the United States are themselves quite high by comparison with those of men in other advanced industrial societies…. The current annual homicide death rate for non-Hispanic white men in the United States, at nearly four per 100,000, is more than five times the rate for all German men, and close to twenty times the rate for men in Japan
     

     
    In context, this implies that US whites are much more violent than than their Old World cousins, which may have some truth, but I suspect a big part of the answer is that where whites live in close proximity to blacks, such as in the old South, whites tend to be on the receiving end of black violence more.

    There is an implicit assumption in a lot of this social science-y writing (and in Steve's reviews of it) that most violence is intra-racial, happening in separate stovepipes (except of course for white cops crossing over to violate black bodies, which is part of the media-justified hysteria against white people), but a simpler model might be: more proximity to blacks = more violent death, especially for white people, whom blacks evidently single out for violence. Indeed, given the lower clearance rates of inter-racial crimes and the resulting vast empty spaces in the racial crime stats, it is entirely possible that inter-racial violence is the most common form.

    ------

    *The apparently high "white"-on-white violence in the old Wild West may be a result of the FBI's infamous Hispanic muddle factor, where the FBI mixes Hispanics with white as offenders, but not as victims.

    Replies: @syonredux

    *The apparently high “white”-on-white violence in the old Wild West may be a result of the FBI’s infamous Hispanic muddle factor, where the FBI mixes Hispanics with white as offenders, but not as victims.

    I think that’s it’s more a matter of poor law enforcement and cultural factors. For the law enforcement side of things, the Canadian West offers a good point of comparison, as the Mounties were much more effective than their Yank counterparts when it came to establishing the rule of law. Indeed, for a really specific example, compare conditions in Alaska and the Yukon during the gold rush…..

    On the cultural side of things, Western towns settled by New Englanders (excluding the Catholic Irish, New England was the most orderly and law-abiding region of the country in the 19th century) had significantly lower homicide rates than towns settled by Southerners.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @syonredux


    On the cultural side of things, Western towns settled by New Englanders... had significantly lower homicide rates than towns settled by Southerners.
     
    “Hawai‘i Week in New England”:

    From October 17-23, over 55 people will travel from Hawai‘i to New England for events commemorating the 200th anniversary of the 1st Company of Protestant missionaries sailing from Boston for Hawai‘i. Participants include members, trustees, staff, and congregants from Hawaiian Mission Houses and Kawaiaha‘o Church, members from other Hawai‘i-based organizations, independent travelers, and Hawaiian history buffs.

     

    https://olympics.nbcsports.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2020/03/GettyImages-83392003-e1584664241608.jpg?w=594

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  58. Steve, you haven’t grown as a thinker, writer, or philosopher if you’re still reviewing material like this. you haven’t increased your own knowledge and understanding of HBD, nor do you get any points for beating down yet another liberal.

    this is like a physics professor wasting his time reviewing algebra 1 books for high school courses.

    it’s time for more advanced thinking. why DO low intelligence people ‘commit crime’? because that is their solution for getting from A to B.

    current state -> the only plan i can think of-> goal state

    in nature, a billion animals a day KILL to get from their current state, to their goal state – but we don’t call it a crime. we don’t arrest them and sentence them to prison. because that’s just problem solving.

    which is what low intelligence humans are doing. on the other hand, high intelligence humans see something more like this in their mind:

    current state -> plan A, B, C, or D for getting thing i want -> goal state

    they don’t have to ‘commit crime’ to get from A to B. they still can, but they have better plans with much lower downside for getting what they want. so, they rarely ‘break the law’. which is just human law.

    the smarter you are, the more plans you can come up with for getting from A to B. that’s why dumb people ‘commit crime’. they’re doing the exact same thing other animals do. also, consequently, when humans are not facing a condition of human law, their problem solving often changes. then, often they will just kill their enemies, without worrying about some transgender district attorney sending meatheads to arrest me, because none of those people exist in this scenario. humans in that position, who don’t just kill their enemies, are said to be virtuous. tyrants simply kill or neutralize.

    • Agree: Bert
  59. Anon[646] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    From Razib Khan’s Substack:

    But I’ve also decided to read [some book and] How to Be an Antiracist.

    The second book is by Ibram X. Kendi, who I would argue is the most influential intellectual in the United States in 2020. This fact is illustrative of something deep about our culture. Because, as Glenn Loury and John McWhorter note, Kendi is not very intelligent. To get a sense of what I mean, listen to him on the Ezra Klein Show, and tell me that Klein doesn’t come off as an intellect of John Von Neumann caliber because of the contrast effect. But I respect Kendi for his skill at extracting money out of the gullible.

    Khan may be returning to the dark side, because he recorded a podcast with Charles Murray for his Substack.

    One thing I’ve noticed about Substack is that with its monetary paywall for each writer, it’s less practical for tattletales to sign up for everything, listen and read everything, and then try to cancel the writers from their day gigs (if, unlike Andrew Sullivan and Glenn Greenwald, they still have day gigs).

    I fear that some woke nonprofit will invest in memberships to everybody’s substack in order to cancel them. New Yorker ambush gotcha interviewer Isaac Chotiner on Twitter tried to cancel Mickey Kaus last summer based on Kaus’s saying this in a Bloggingheads podcast:

    The other problem with #metoo is that it ignores inherent differences between the sexes in the way men and women get ahead. It gives no quarter to the way women use their sexuality as a way to compensate for other discriminations they face. And that’s just the way the world is.

    How could Kaus say that! Outrageous! Kaus and partner Robert Wright then took their most controversial stuff behind a Patreon paywall, dubbing it “The Parrot Room.”

    Chotiner is a graduate of UC Davis, known for its veterinary college, a farm robotics program that made a machine that broke the world record for artichokes harvested per hour, and the most Chicana mechanical engineer majors of any California public college. His Ivy Leaguer manqué complex causes him to be the nastiest guy around as compensation.

  60. @JohnnyWalker123

    In the United States today, a young black man has fifteen times the chance of dying from violence as his white counterpart.

    Why do murderous blacks and their victims skew so young? Among whites, “hardened criminals” tend to be considerably older than they are among blacks. Does the violence gap between the races decline with age? It’s an unanswered question whether the racial disparity in homicidal tendencies actually diminishes with increasing age, or whether blacks of criminal inclinations simply tend to wind up dead or in prison earlier than whites do.
     
    White "hardened criminals" usually are isolated loners who terrorize their extended families. At some point, their families get tired of them and try to cut them off financially and kick them out. That can precipitate serious violence. Usually, this happens when the criminal is older and has already burned lots of bridges. Many of these criminals have had their brains ruined through many years of alcohol and drug abuse. Many are born with some degree of mental illness, which gets worse as they age.

    In some cases, when the individual is kicked out, they become a vagrant. That can introduce the possibility for some occasional violence too, often against other vagrants or sometimes random strangers. Especially when people fight over drugs, they can hurt each other.

    Black "hardened criminals" can be older too, but there are lots of young Black men who like to fight other young Black men for alpha male dominance in their communities. They want to be the "most thug @ss n*gga on da block. Gangsta 4 lyfe."

    Black "hardened criminals" are very embedded in their communities and often an important part of the social fabric. They have lots of friends and close family members. They're quite influential and popular, often being at the center of social activities. White "hardened" criminals, on the other hand, are usually socially isolated and have no one to hang out with them. Most consider them "losers."

    Out of curiosity, are there any White neighborhoods left in which young men struggle to determine who's the "baddest" alpha male on the block? I can't think of any. There were some low-income White areas that were sort of like that in the past, but those young men fought with their fists. Most of those areas are now gentrified or taken over by non-Whites. Southie, for example.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Jamie_NYC, @J.Ross, @anonymous, @Old Prude, @Sean, @Peter D. Bredon, @Jack D, @Welked Joni, @Ripple Earthdevil

    “In some cases, when the individual is kicked out, they become a vagrant. That can introduce the possibility for some occasional violence too, often against other vagrants or sometimes random strangers. Especially when people fight over drugs, they can hurt each other.”

    Indeed, and this is why the whole “there but for the grace of God” idea is so stupid. Liberals want us to believe that “anyone” could wind up homeless. But to be homeless it’s not enough to not have a home (which is why the euphemism is so misleading). You don’t have a home because you can’t afford it, because you have no job, because you were fired for being an asshole, and no family to help you, because you’re an asshole, and no friends to help you, because you’re an asshole.

    So no, someone like Mitt Romney has no chance of “someday finding yourself homeless.”

    (Which is not to say that Mitt isn’t in some sense indeed an asshole. But a functional one)

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Peter D. Bredon


    Indeed, and this is why the whole “there but for the grace of God” idea is so stupid. Liberals want us to believe that “anyone” could wind up homeless. But to be homeless it’s not enough to not have a home (which is why the euphemism is so misleading). You don’t have a home because you can’t afford it, because you have no job, because you were fired for being an asshole, and no family to help you, because you’re an asshole, and no friends to help you, because you’re an asshole.

     

    In the past, when people were more trusting and sociable, it was common to take in "down on their luck" relatives, friends, and acquaintances. Occasionally, even a stranger who you may have just met a few times. Often, very interesting situations could ensue from this...

    There used to be a lot of movies and tv sitcoms in which a family took in someone and a lot of drama ensued. Most of these plots were comical, but there were darker stories too. Stories in which an outsider tried to take over the home. Like the movie "Poison Ivy."

    Watch the trailer here.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O3cU3dODjo

    Interestingly, the above movie was semi-realistic and based on the real life experiences of the film's director. Of course, the movie is dramatized and overaccentuated somewhat, but that's to be expected in Hollywood.

    You rarely see these type of movie or tv plots these days.

    Why?

    It's because people are much more socially distant and distrusting than used to be the case. People rarely take in others these days, unless the other person is a very close relative (like a child). Strangers are NEVER taken in anymore. So the above "Poison Ivy" plot would be totally unrealistic and unrelatable these days. However, back in the early 90s (when the movie was made), stuff like that happened.

    The above also explains why nobody gives rides to hitchhikers anymore. A hitchhiker is sort of like a very temporary room mate (who shares a car with you). In a society in which no one wants to socialize or get close to others (especially strangers), hitchhiking is impossible.

    By the way, from my experience, dysfunctional Whites become a lot more crime-prone when their families kick them out. Lots of White criminals are drifter types.

    Replies: @ic1000

  61. @Achmed E. Newman
    I read the column, and, yes, the black violence is at a high level indeed. I don't see why I should care at all about black-on-black violence myself, though. Perhaps that's an issue that black "leaders" could take up, instead of just trying to to get free stuff out of the white people for their people, or, mostly themselves, actually.

    I do like that FDR, who was simply President and not a bank loan officer himself, is blamed for the problem yet again. He was a scumbag Socialist who is responsible for the transition in this country away from real Capitalism. In a way, you could say he is responsible for some of black people's problems, though not the violence directly. He started what Lyndon Johnson finished 30 years later, which was implementing the culture of dependency on government. Blacks went for this in a big way. That's not helped them one bit, as many problems as they already inherently had.

    So, yes, it probably is time to take down some FDR statues. I won't hold a vigil against that, so knock yourselves out. While you people are at it, take down any LBJ statues that may have been erroneously erected. Let me know what size cable and what hardware you may need ...

    Replies: @Peter D. Bredon

    I seem to recall that the only FDR statue was somewhat recent, and was controversial because they wanted to depict him sitting, presumably in a wheelchair. So you can’t really “take down” the statue, but I guess you could wheel him away out of sight.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Peter D. Bredon

    Haha! I was thinking of that myself, Peter but didn't want to go on about it. Yeah "toppling" doesn't work I guess. Wheel him into the dumpster for all I care, but the recycling one, so we can reclaim that bronze...

  62. @JohnnyWalker123

    In the United States today, a young black man has fifteen times the chance of dying from violence as his white counterpart.

    Why do murderous blacks and their victims skew so young? Among whites, “hardened criminals” tend to be considerably older than they are among blacks. Does the violence gap between the races decline with age? It’s an unanswered question whether the racial disparity in homicidal tendencies actually diminishes with increasing age, or whether blacks of criminal inclinations simply tend to wind up dead or in prison earlier than whites do.
     
    White "hardened criminals" usually are isolated loners who terrorize their extended families. At some point, their families get tired of them and try to cut them off financially and kick them out. That can precipitate serious violence. Usually, this happens when the criminal is older and has already burned lots of bridges. Many of these criminals have had their brains ruined through many years of alcohol and drug abuse. Many are born with some degree of mental illness, which gets worse as they age.

    In some cases, when the individual is kicked out, they become a vagrant. That can introduce the possibility for some occasional violence too, often against other vagrants or sometimes random strangers. Especially when people fight over drugs, they can hurt each other.

    Black "hardened criminals" can be older too, but there are lots of young Black men who like to fight other young Black men for alpha male dominance in their communities. They want to be the "most thug @ss n*gga on da block. Gangsta 4 lyfe."

    Black "hardened criminals" are very embedded in their communities and often an important part of the social fabric. They have lots of friends and close family members. They're quite influential and popular, often being at the center of social activities. White "hardened" criminals, on the other hand, are usually socially isolated and have no one to hang out with them. Most consider them "losers."

    Out of curiosity, are there any White neighborhoods left in which young men struggle to determine who's the "baddest" alpha male on the block? I can't think of any. There were some low-income White areas that were sort of like that in the past, but those young men fought with their fists. Most of those areas are now gentrified or taken over by non-Whites. Southie, for example.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Jamie_NYC, @J.Ross, @anonymous, @Old Prude, @Sean, @Peter D. Bredon, @Jack D, @Welked Joni, @Ripple Earthdevil

    Black “hardened criminals” are very embedded in their communities and often an important part of the social fabric. They have lots of friends and close family members. They’re quite influential and popular, often being at the center of social activities.

    Not to mention baby mommas and keeds. The late Walter Wallace, Jr. was allegedly mentally ill, had a long rap sheet and went after 2 cops with a big knife (whereupon the racist cops cruelly ended his life instead of allowing themselves to be stabbed to death). He also, at the age of 27, had NINE children (it’s not clear with how many baby mommas but more than 1) and was a popular “aspiring rapper” in his community. Insane/violent white people tend to remove themselves from the gene pool. Insane/violent blacks propagate their genes far and wide. So over a number of generations, you can develop these kind of 15x disparities that Steve mentions just like Ashkenazis were able to become similarly overrepresented on a per capita basis in the genius dept. Selective breeding can really result in vastly different endpoints – chihuahua vs. Great Dane.

    • Replies: @Thomas
    @Jack D


    Insane/violent white people tend to remove themselves from the gene pool. Insane/violent blacks propagate their genes far and wide.
     
    It would probably be more accurate to say that white women have generally kept insane/violent men out of the gene pool while black women generally have not.

    There's a recent mystery here in Seattle of a young white woman from Everett who was found in a lake with her shoelaces around her neck. You have to read 20 paragraphs into this story to find out that the poor girl may have paid a particular "toll."

    https://projects.seattletimes.com/2020/undetermined-autumn-stone-death/

    Replies: @duncsbaby

  63. @Arclight
    In my personal experience of living in a black neighborhood, part of the problem is that despite everyone knowing exactly who is doing what, no one *ever* will provide that information to the cops, and parents of these kids do not believe in turning them in for their own good or protecting the neighbohood. I had one lady down the block whose son would periodically beat the daylights out of his girlfriend right on the sidewalk, but when sirens were heard from approaching cops (undoubtedly called from behind the curtains by a white neighbor), the mother would drag them both into her house and nobody saw/heard nothing.

    The other element completely missing from the discussion although hard to ignore if you have even passing familiarity with 'the community' is that personal slights are *always* responded to with threats of violence that frequently are followed up on to preserve face. Granted, I am more familiar with the habits of lower income blacks than anyone else since I have lived in such a neighborhood and have not lived with lower income whites or Latinos, but it seems to me no one is as quick to mete out physical punishment.

    Steve makes a key observation that the progressive explanation for the astounding rates of black violence are that they turn upon each other rather than the whites that deserve it - but which is still a disconcerting explanation if you stop and think about it, since it implicitly says black violence is justified, just misdirected.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Morton's toes, @Anon, @rebel yell

    Nothing like waking up at 2:00 A.M. to the sound of one person yelling at another,

    “I’m gonna f**k you up ni**er”

    Then

    SMACK!

    Never heard one time the melanin scarce parallel. Weird how you can hear a shout at 2:00 A.M. and you can make that discernment with zero ambiguity.

    (Anecdotal data!)

    • Agree: cronkitsche
  64. Strikingly, however, the racial disparity steadily increased along with rising neighborhood income. In the poorest neighborhoods, with a median household income below $20,000, blacks were shot at a rate roughly one and a half times that of whites…. The result was that in communities with average household incomes over $60,000, blacks faced a nearly sixteenfold greater chance of being shot than whites.

    The True Cost of Buying Your First Handgun

    On top of a shortage in supply, some gun owners said some stores are limiting customers on how much they can buy.

    “If they have it at all, the prices were tripled,” McRee said.

    Miller said price increases are to be expected as it is an election year.

    “We always expected price increases because it’s an election year but we weren’t expecting the degree of the price increases that we have been presented and how fast they were presented to us,” Miller said.

    https://okcfox.com/news/local/demand-for-guns-ammunition-at-an-all-time-high

    • Replies: @Thomas
    @Reg Cæsar

    Another argument in favor of building your own (though we're still dependent on supplies of parts and (sigh) ammunition.

    Replies: @Kronos

  65. Anon[282] • Disclaimer says:
    @Arclight
    In my personal experience of living in a black neighborhood, part of the problem is that despite everyone knowing exactly who is doing what, no one *ever* will provide that information to the cops, and parents of these kids do not believe in turning them in for their own good or protecting the neighbohood. I had one lady down the block whose son would periodically beat the daylights out of his girlfriend right on the sidewalk, but when sirens were heard from approaching cops (undoubtedly called from behind the curtains by a white neighbor), the mother would drag them both into her house and nobody saw/heard nothing.

    The other element completely missing from the discussion although hard to ignore if you have even passing familiarity with 'the community' is that personal slights are *always* responded to with threats of violence that frequently are followed up on to preserve face. Granted, I am more familiar with the habits of lower income blacks than anyone else since I have lived in such a neighborhood and have not lived with lower income whites or Latinos, but it seems to me no one is as quick to mete out physical punishment.

    Steve makes a key observation that the progressive explanation for the astounding rates of black violence are that they turn upon each other rather than the whites that deserve it - but which is still a disconcerting explanation if you stop and think about it, since it implicitly says black violence is justified, just misdirected.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Morton's toes, @Anon, @rebel yell

    The other element completely missing from the discussion although hard to ignore if you have even passing familiarity with ‘the community’ is that personal slights are *always* responded to with threats of violence that frequently are followed up on to preserve face.

    This is probably something that could actually produce useful advice for a low socioeconomic status young person. Unlike the clueless pundits’ advice that All You Need to Do to get out of a bad neighborhood is to become a machine learning expert and work in Palo Alto, learning a strategic way to handle being disrespected might be something that’s actually feasible for some people.

    The typical savvy white collar worker who has a jerk boss will take the abuse for a while, stew over it, and figure out a way to make a clean transition to another job. In my experience, a lot of lower SES people of all races will just flip out at their boss one day, give them the finger, and quit on the spot. Then they’re jobless….and then they can’t pay the rent…and so on.

    • Replies: @Arclight
    @Anon

    Your last sentence is also something I have seen firsthand, but this points to something else: impulsive people tend not to be very bright, and thus don't do a good job of forecasting the consequences of their behavior.

    For all the hereditarians out there, this would line up with the evidence of the IQ gap between blacks indicating more impulsive behavior and thus more crime as a feature of society we cannot fully eliminate. However, culture still matters a lot as do consequences, and America has sent the signal to black Americans for a long time that we are eager to explain away inconvenient realities like high crime rather than demand reform of behavior.

    Replies: @Anon

  66. @JohnnyWalker123

    In the United States today, a young black man has fifteen times the chance of dying from violence as his white counterpart.

    Why do murderous blacks and their victims skew so young? Among whites, “hardened criminals” tend to be considerably older than they are among blacks. Does the violence gap between the races decline with age? It’s an unanswered question whether the racial disparity in homicidal tendencies actually diminishes with increasing age, or whether blacks of criminal inclinations simply tend to wind up dead or in prison earlier than whites do.
     
    White "hardened criminals" usually are isolated loners who terrorize their extended families. At some point, their families get tired of them and try to cut them off financially and kick them out. That can precipitate serious violence. Usually, this happens when the criminal is older and has already burned lots of bridges. Many of these criminals have had their brains ruined through many years of alcohol and drug abuse. Many are born with some degree of mental illness, which gets worse as they age.

    In some cases, when the individual is kicked out, they become a vagrant. That can introduce the possibility for some occasional violence too, often against other vagrants or sometimes random strangers. Especially when people fight over drugs, they can hurt each other.

    Black "hardened criminals" can be older too, but there are lots of young Black men who like to fight other young Black men for alpha male dominance in their communities. They want to be the "most thug @ss n*gga on da block. Gangsta 4 lyfe."

    Black "hardened criminals" are very embedded in their communities and often an important part of the social fabric. They have lots of friends and close family members. They're quite influential and popular, often being at the center of social activities. White "hardened" criminals, on the other hand, are usually socially isolated and have no one to hang out with them. Most consider them "losers."

    Out of curiosity, are there any White neighborhoods left in which young men struggle to determine who's the "baddest" alpha male on the block? I can't think of any. There were some low-income White areas that were sort of like that in the past, but those young men fought with their fists. Most of those areas are now gentrified or taken over by non-Whites. Southie, for example.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Jamie_NYC, @J.Ross, @anonymous, @Old Prude, @Sean, @Peter D. Bredon, @Jack D, @Welked Joni, @Ripple Earthdevil

    Black Men are just more manly

    Is it any wonder why white girls crave their touch and seed?

    Black Men have been abused by whiteness so long that it has made them tough

    That’s why they are such good soldiers athletes fathers husbands and are the future

    • Replies: @Bert
    @Welked Joni


    That’s why they are such good soldiers
     
    Lol, look up Selous Scouts and Katangan mercenaries.
    , @Anon
    @Welked Joni


    Black Men are just more manly
     
    True, as are black women.
    , @duncsbaby
    @Welked Joni


    Black Men have been abused by whiteness so long that it has made them tough
    That’s why they are such good soldiers athletes fathers husbands and are the future
     
    Hey one out of four ain't bad.
  67. ‘The current annual homicide death rate for non-Hispanic white men in the United States, at nearly four per 100,000’

    This statistic grates. The rate* for non-blacks is just about 1.75 per 100,000. This is on par with most of the developed world, or even better. 2 per hundred is generally considered good.

    But the quote introduces sex, and excludes Hispanic (males). I don’t understand why. It seems to add nothing; it is contrived to get a higher number, in my opinion.

    Additional data: black female homicide by discharge of firearm usually runs about 10% of what it does for black males. It is substantially smaller, but no zero.

    * 5,000 / (287,000,000/100,000) = 1.74

  68. @eric
    I don't grok this point:

    Moreover, among male victims of domestic murders:

    What may be more surprising, though, is that intimate partner violence also contributes to the excess risk faced by black men. Among the male victims…the racial imbalance was even more striking than among female ones: nearly half of the men who died in these incidents of intimate partner violence were black.
     
    Half of the men dying from intimate partner violence are black. In the context of all the other homicide data, why is this "more striking?"

    Replies: @Peter Johnson, @Harry Baldwin, @lanskrim, @Almost Missouri, @Bill Jones, @Steve Sailer

    Apparently getting shacked up with black women is supposed to be risk free.

    Who knew?

    Not an assumption I’d have made.

  69. Completely off-topic and probably not of any interest to Americans, but of huge interest to everybody else in the World: Diego Maradona has just died from cardio-respiratory collapse. The real question is: was this caused by COVID or by coke? Everybody knows Dieguito loved the Peruvian Marching Powder.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Anonymous

    Heart attack.

  70. @Dieter Kief

    As Currie admits, the vast majority of black murder victims are unquestionably killed by other blacks.
     
    Facts that have to be admitted - by specialists in the field.

    (Btw . - I don't think this is remark is wrong, or off at all. It's right. - and telling too).

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @SunBakedSuburb, @Forbes

    the vast majority of black murder victims are unquestionably killed by other blacks.

    It’s on the order of 90% of black murder victims are killed by blacks. I await correction if that’s off.

  71. Much of the country has been understandably outraged by the continuing plague of police killings of black Americans

    Nine unarmed black Americans killed by police in one year – some plague!

  72. @Art Deco
    Gentry liberals are indifferent to the actual welfare of blacks, as are black chauvinists. Everything said and done consists of status games or expanding the trade in political patronage. The ordinary run of Republican politicians are largely indifferent as well because they're in office to promote a half-dozen shticks orthagonal to the welfare of blacks qua blacks. The difference between the two, of course, is that black voters are snookered into voting for the former contra the latter. The people who are actually interested in the welfare of blacks are hardheads like Heather Mac Donald. You can see the sort of reception she gets on college campuses. And you can see for this poseur Currie, social problems in the black population are merely a hook for faculty twerps to bash white-people-who-are-not-in-our-circle-of-friends.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @BenKenobi, @AnotherDad, @Alden

    schticks

    orthagonal

    qua

    snookered

    contra

    • LOL: William Badwhite
    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @BenKenobi

    You forgot "cohort" and "No clue why.."

  73. @Altai
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukWEsIo8hH4

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    That can’t be the reality in America … the people in the crowd are way too skinny.

    • LOL: Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @Altai
    @AnotherDad

    I was going to say there are way too many blonde men for Rhode Island.

  74. @Reg Cæsar

    Strikingly, however, the racial disparity steadily increased along with rising neighborhood income. In the poorest neighborhoods, with a median household income below $20,000, blacks were shot at a rate roughly one and a half times that of whites…. The result was that in communities with average household incomes over $60,000, blacks faced a nearly sixteenfold greater chance of being shot than whites.
     
    The True Cost of Buying Your First Handgun



    https://arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-bonnier.s3.amazonaws.com/public/RYNP7GWHV5GW7HUN5V7GOSFBMU.jpg

    On top of a shortage in supply, some gun owners said some stores are limiting customers on how much they can buy.

    “If they have it at all, the prices were tripled,” McRee said.

    Miller said price increases are to be expected as it is an election year.

    “We always expected price increases because it’s an election year but we weren’t expecting the degree of the price increases that we have been presented and how fast they were presented to us,” Miller said.

    https://okcfox.com/news/local/demand-for-guns-ammunition-at-an-all-time-high
     

    Replies: @Thomas

    Another argument in favor of building your own (though we’re still dependent on supplies of parts and (sigh) ammunition.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Thomas

    Just buy a AK platform rifle and bulk up on cheap steel “Wolf” ammo. It’s the only option left at this point.

    https://images.guns.com/wordpress/2020/01/Kalashnikov-USA-Promises-New-KR-103-AK.jpg

    https://static-cdn.ammunitiontogo.com/media/catalog/product/cache/10/image/555x/5a329a2c0ef5d4c72612eb4bda32b426/7/0/7006f4e3123a380ba985d563cf83a1fd_4.jpg

    If anyone asks too many questions, just say your buying it for your pet Russian.

    https://youtu.be/p5L9-k0uV2A

    Replies: @Thomas

  75. @Art Deco
    Gentry liberals are indifferent to the actual welfare of blacks, as are black chauvinists. Everything said and done consists of status games or expanding the trade in political patronage. The ordinary run of Republican politicians are largely indifferent as well because they're in office to promote a half-dozen shticks orthagonal to the welfare of blacks qua blacks. The difference between the two, of course, is that black voters are snookered into voting for the former contra the latter. The people who are actually interested in the welfare of blacks are hardheads like Heather Mac Donald. You can see the sort of reception she gets on college campuses. And you can see for this poseur Currie, social problems in the black population are merely a hook for faculty twerps to bash white-people-who-are-not-in-our-circle-of-friends.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @BenKenobi, @AnotherDad, @Alden

    Gentry liberals are indifferent to the actual welfare of blacks, as are black chauvinists. Everything said and done consists of status games or expanding the trade in political patronage.

    Well said Art.

    Those BLM yard signs–as is obvious both from the neighborhoods and what’s on the signs themselves–have nothing to do with blacks, and everything to do with those whites virtue signaling their superiority to deplorable–i.e. in touch with reality–white people like me.

    As i walk my neighborhood, i’m building a list of who has put up such signs, so if the the shit really hits the fan, i’ll know whom i should kill and eat.

    • LOL: Ben tillman, Rob McX
    • Replies: @gcochran
    @AnotherDad

    Watch out for prions.

    , @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race
    @AnotherDad


    those whites virtue signaling their superiority to deplorable–i.e. in touch with reality
     
    It's so unfortunate that Hillary's nasty words are immortalized by white people. The fact is is that "deplorable" is never good, even if you mean by now a certain group of white people. Maybe it was an easy way to describe what used to be called 'the lightly possessed', and the 'well-possessed' have always condescended to the 'lightly possessed'. Although I know that by 'deplorable' you also mean some whites who are very well-possessed.

    I hate the BLM signs on my block too, but I wouldn't eat the Jews that put them there--no matter what they did or posed as doing--I am WHITE GENTILE KOSHER, but I am NOT a DEPLORABLE . I don't identify with this term 'deplorable' even if many of you find it the thing to do. In a subtle way, it actually makes Hillary look as if she'd said something accurate. Maybe it's just easier, but I think it makes the group you're talking about look a bit stupid (and some of them are.) Seems to me you're letting those very virtue-signalling whites determine some of the narrative that should not be their prerogative.
  76. @Jack D
    @JohnnyWalker123


    Black “hardened criminals” are very embedded in their communities and often an important part of the social fabric. They have lots of friends and close family members. They’re quite influential and popular, often being at the center of social activities.
     
    Not to mention baby mommas and keeds. The late Walter Wallace, Jr. was allegedly mentally ill, had a long rap sheet and went after 2 cops with a big knife (whereupon the racist cops cruelly ended his life instead of allowing themselves to be stabbed to death). He also, at the age of 27, had NINE children (it's not clear with how many baby mommas but more than 1) and was a popular "aspiring rapper" in his community. Insane/violent white people tend to remove themselves from the gene pool. Insane/violent blacks propagate their genes far and wide. So over a number of generations, you can develop these kind of 15x disparities that Steve mentions just like Ashkenazis were able to become similarly overrepresented on a per capita basis in the genius dept. Selective breeding can really result in vastly different endpoints - chihuahua vs. Great Dane.

    Replies: @Thomas

    Insane/violent white people tend to remove themselves from the gene pool. Insane/violent blacks propagate their genes far and wide.

    It would probably be more accurate to say that white women have generally kept insane/violent men out of the gene pool while black women generally have not.

    There’s a recent mystery here in Seattle of a young white woman from Everett who was found in a lake with her shoelaces around her neck. You have to read 20 paragraphs into this story to find out that the poor girl may have paid a particular “toll.”

    https://projects.seattletimes.com/2020/undetermined-autumn-stone-death/

    • Agree: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @duncsbaby
    @Thomas

    How does a suicide end up under water with shoelaces tied around her neck?

  77. It’s really simple if not publishable any place but here: ghetto blacks are far stupider than whites. Consequently they make very bad decisions. Giving them free stuff–the lib solution–only worsens the problem. Enacting stricter discipline–the conservative soluton–only makes them crazier if somewhat less inclined to take out their furies on whites.

    Short of nuclear war, destroying all ghettos in a single night but with collateral damage, I can think of NO feasible solution. Returning them to the paradise of the savannas and the sustenance of the hunter-gatherer lifestyle they are clearly re-enacting in our cities, is a fantasy.

    just buy guns and know how to use them.

    • Replies: @cronkitsche
    @annonymous

    There have been feasible solutions to comparable problems in our lifetime. East Germany closed its borders with walls and guardposts to prevent emigration/escape. Hungary, Bulgaria, and Greece erected fences and increased border forces to prevent immigration/invasion. With evermore comprehensive surveillance/enforcement programs an imminent threat to White people, we have limited time left in which to contain the dangerous districts in our continental empire. There is immense opposition in the empire to solutions to the problem of black violence, but refusing to acknowledge feasible solutions only strengthens the opposition.

  78. @JohnnyWalker123

    In the United States today, a young black man has fifteen times the chance of dying from violence as his white counterpart.

    Why do murderous blacks and their victims skew so young? Among whites, “hardened criminals” tend to be considerably older than they are among blacks. Does the violence gap between the races decline with age? It’s an unanswered question whether the racial disparity in homicidal tendencies actually diminishes with increasing age, or whether blacks of criminal inclinations simply tend to wind up dead or in prison earlier than whites do.
     
    White "hardened criminals" usually are isolated loners who terrorize their extended families. At some point, their families get tired of them and try to cut them off financially and kick them out. That can precipitate serious violence. Usually, this happens when the criminal is older and has already burned lots of bridges. Many of these criminals have had their brains ruined through many years of alcohol and drug abuse. Many are born with some degree of mental illness, which gets worse as they age.

    In some cases, when the individual is kicked out, they become a vagrant. That can introduce the possibility for some occasional violence too, often against other vagrants or sometimes random strangers. Especially when people fight over drugs, they can hurt each other.

    Black "hardened criminals" can be older too, but there are lots of young Black men who like to fight other young Black men for alpha male dominance in their communities. They want to be the "most thug @ss n*gga on da block. Gangsta 4 lyfe."

    Black "hardened criminals" are very embedded in their communities and often an important part of the social fabric. They have lots of friends and close family members. They're quite influential and popular, often being at the center of social activities. White "hardened" criminals, on the other hand, are usually socially isolated and have no one to hang out with them. Most consider them "losers."

    Out of curiosity, are there any White neighborhoods left in which young men struggle to determine who's the "baddest" alpha male on the block? I can't think of any. There were some low-income White areas that were sort of like that in the past, but those young men fought with their fists. Most of those areas are now gentrified or taken over by non-Whites. Southie, for example.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Jamie_NYC, @J.Ross, @anonymous, @Old Prude, @Sean, @Peter D. Bredon, @Jack D, @Welked Joni, @Ripple Earthdevil

    Out of curiosity, are there any White neighborhoods left in which young men struggle to determine who’s the “baddest” alpha male on the block? I can’t think of any. There were some low-income White areas that were sort of like that in the past, but those young men fought with their fists. Most of those areas are now gentrified or taken over by non-Whites. Southie, for example

    .

    In case anyone is wondering, “Southie” is South Boston, a traditionally Irish working class enclave that was the epicenter of resistance to forced school busing in the mid-70’s. I don’t know what it’s like now.

    • Replies: @John Up North
    @Ripple Earthdevil

    If you were to walk about in a large Northeastern city like New York, Boston, Philadelphia around the year 1860 and asked a passerby what they thought was the most pressing social problem they would most likely tell you it would be the sectarian divide and not slavery.

    Many parts of the aforementioned cities looked like Belfast in the 1960s, 70s and 80s; Catholics living on one side of a neighborhood and Protestants living on the opposite side. The decades leading up to the Civil War saw violent riots between Catholics and Protestants involving many deaths and much property destruction.

    , @BostonJoe
    @Ripple Earthdevil

    My wife, daughter and I lived in Southie until 2017 (I am Boston born and raised: Dorchester raised; private school in Back Bay; Northeastern University, —-very Irish looking, but not too Irish by ancestry).

    Southie is now ‘yuppie heaven’ with a few projects sprinkled in—-the Boston Police are very efficient and know their customer base.

    Southie: Very safe, really nice section of Boston.

    We now live in the South Central Part
    Of the US, due to work.

    When I was a kid: Southie was pretty safe—-I used to go there every Saturday morning to play hockey—-although super easy to get into a fight, if you were so inclined.

    My mom’s office was also in Southie and never a problem. She always felt safe there.

    To call Southie a “slum” of any kind world be wrong: mostly very good working class to middle class Irish American folks: really good peeps.

    The scum there seemed to mostly keep to one another with the Boston Police dropping the hammer with frequency.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @JohnnyWalker123

  79. @Sean
    @JohnnyWalker123


    Why do murderous blacks and their victims skew so young? Among whites, “hardened criminals” tend to be considerably older than they are among blacks
     

    https://www.unz.com/pfrost/testosterone-and-human-variation/

    Testosterone levels are higher in black boys than in white boys as early as the prepubertal age class (5-9 yrs) (Abdelrahaman et al., 2005). Black males seem to reach maximum t levels during adolescence and early adulthood (Ross et al., 1986; Winters et al., 2001). The black-white difference then shrinks after 24 years of age and is gone by the early 30s (Gapstur et al., 2002). It actually seems to reverse in later years (Nyborg, 1994, p. 111-113).
     

    Replies: @Bert, @JohnnyWalker123

    This racial difference is one of the data points by which Philippe Rushton conceptualized a major racial difference in life history strategy, i.e. r-selection in Africans and K-selection in Northern Europeans and Northeast Asians.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R/K_selection_theory

  80. @Sean
    @JohnnyWalker123


    Why do murderous blacks and their victims skew so young? Among whites, “hardened criminals” tend to be considerably older than they are among blacks
     

    https://www.unz.com/pfrost/testosterone-and-human-variation/

    Testosterone levels are higher in black boys than in white boys as early as the prepubertal age class (5-9 yrs) (Abdelrahaman et al., 2005). Black males seem to reach maximum t levels during adolescence and early adulthood (Ross et al., 1986; Winters et al., 2001). The black-white difference then shrinks after 24 years of age and is gone by the early 30s (Gapstur et al., 2002). It actually seems to reverse in later years (Nyborg, 1994, p. 111-113).
     

    Replies: @Bert, @JohnnyWalker123

    Thanks. Though I’m willing to bet that even if you adjust for testosterone, Blacks are much more violent than Whites. Much more into trash talking and confrontation.

    High-T White men often do stuff like MMA, shooting guns at the range, bodybuilding, and modding cars. Typically, they don’t fight other random High-T White men. Though back in the old days, they used to get into lots of bar brawl. Not anymore though.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    @JohnnyWalker123

    The average white person is about twenty years older than the average black person. Most whites were born in the 50's and 60's. The 90's baby boom had lots of blacks and Mestizos.

    The white community in most areas is far too old to cause much trouble these days.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Art Deco

  81. @Anonymous
    Completely off-topic and probably not of any interest to Americans, but of huge interest to everybody else in the World: Diego Maradona has just died from cardio-respiratory collapse. The real question is: was this caused by COVID or by coke? Everybody knows Dieguito loved the Peruvian Marching Powder.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    Heart attack.

  82. @Welked Joni
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Black Men are just more manly

    Is it any wonder why white girls crave their touch and seed?

    Black Men have been abused by whiteness so long that it has made them tough

    That's why they are such good soldiers athletes fathers husbands and are the future

    Replies: @Bert, @Anon, @duncsbaby

    That’s why they are such good soldiers

    Lol, look up Selous Scouts and Katangan mercenaries.

  83. @TelfoedJohn

    Between 2000 and 2018…more than 162,000 black Americans lost their lives to violence…the population of a substantial midsize American city—say Jackson, Mississippi
     
    What's the long-term outcome of this? I'm thinking of Europe in the Middle Ages where the death sentence was common:

    In medieval and early modern Europe, before the development of modern prison systems, the death penalty was also used as a generalized form of punishment for even minor offences. During the reign of Henry VIII of England, as many as 72,000 people are estimated to have been executed.
     
    From Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment#Middle_Ages

    Some people believe this weeded out the violent and criminally minded from the European population, altering them genetically.

    So with black Americans, does this increase the violence gene or decrease it?

    Argument for increasing violence genes: the violent ones are getting away with murder, sometimes not being caugh, and then producing more kids.

    Argument for decreasing violence genes: the ones being killed are in the violence game too, so the internecine deaths are reducing violence.

    Replies: @Bert

    Because of hypergamy, ghetto females will birth more genes of the more effective killers. Selection pressure is for more violence-prone males in future generations. Leaving 8 kids by 5 baby mamas is evolutionary success even if you die by age 23.

  84. @RichardTaylor

    Many conservatives credulously believe progressives’ claims that the social sciences vindicate liberal ideology.
     
    Conservatives are just as bad as liberals when it comes to racial self-hatred. It's a sickness.

    I think this Latino has a good overview of White neurosis:

    https://twitter.com/emeriticus/status/1331280690344833037

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Kronos

    Conservatives are just as bad as liberals when it comes to racial self-hatred. It’s a sickness.



    • Troll: RichardTaylor
  85. @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder
    It's permitted--compulsory, even--to express profound dismay at the number of black people who are victims of violent crime. But if you dare to mention (or even display awareness of) just who's committing these crimes, expect instant excommunication.

    On rare occasions, it's white people. Even more rarely, white cops. But these two categories are just about the only ones ever portrayed in the mass media, much less made into international sensations.

    Over and over I see people saying "But I keep seeing x, y, and z" and never once does it occur to them that what they're 'seeing' has been carefully 'curated' by the MSM.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Hibernian

    If someone cannot imagine that the lyingpress is lying to them, especially now when it has completely abandoned any pretense to being news, then there is no hope for that person.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @J.Ross

    Sadly, this--the lyingpress is lying to them--has been going on for decades. People passively watching the Idiot Box have no way of knowing--it's the only source being spoon-fed to them. Go on social media, and it's worse, the lyingpress is reinforced by every douchebag.

  86. @AnotherDad
    @Altai

    That can't be the reality in America ... the people in the crowd are way too skinny.

    Replies: @Altai

    I was going to say there are way too many blonde men for Rhode Island.

  87. @Art Deco
    Gentry liberals are indifferent to the actual welfare of blacks, as are black chauvinists. Everything said and done consists of status games or expanding the trade in political patronage. The ordinary run of Republican politicians are largely indifferent as well because they're in office to promote a half-dozen shticks orthagonal to the welfare of blacks qua blacks. The difference between the two, of course, is that black voters are snookered into voting for the former contra the latter. The people who are actually interested in the welfare of blacks are hardheads like Heather Mac Donald. You can see the sort of reception she gets on college campuses. And you can see for this poseur Currie, social problems in the black population are merely a hook for faculty twerps to bash white-people-who-are-not-in-our-circle-of-friends.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @BenKenobi, @AnotherDad, @Alden

    Why should any White person be actually interested in the welfare of blacks; either feigned like liberals or real like Heather MacDonald?

    Billions of wasted dollars, destruction of our great cities, endless effort I really really don’t care what happens to blacks. And if MacDonald really really cares about blacks, then F’er.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Alden

    But Emmett Till, bro....

    , @Art Deco
    @Alden

    Why should any White person be actually interested in the welfare of blacks; either feigned like liberals or real like Heather MacDonald?

    For approximately the same reason you're interested in the common good generally. The blacks in my home county number about 100,000. Only an odd minority are immigrants (and the Caribbean immigrants I've known have been pleasant people). For a typical black American, you'd have to go back seven or eight generations in his pedigree before you'd discover that half his ancestors were born elsewhere. They aren't foreigners and they aren't properly regarded as some sort of permanent guest-worker population. About 70% of the non-elderly and non-disabled population are living in wage-earner families, about 15% are in the salaried and small business stratum, and about 15% are lumpenproletarians. The crime problem is a function of feral youths from this last segment preying on everyone in their vicinity. Commercial development in black neighborhoods is truncated by their activities and the local schools are ruined by them. These problem neighborhoods are not on the far side of the moon and over a period of 30 years I never lived farther than 10 miles from them (not farther than 2.5 miles most years).

    Replies: @Jtgw

  88. @anonymous
    Steve, when are you going to explicate your position?

    You've laid out your position--nice guy paleocon--but when are you going to *justify* it in a meta sense?

    I think you owe us that. You think you're right. Now tell us what your position--let's just call it for want of name, cuck boomerism--is actually accomplishing.

    Go ahead and tell us what your cuck boomerism is accomplishing when you just post articles every day about how geez, wouldn't it be nicer if people were more cuck boomerism paleocon like me?


    What do you think you're accomplishing with the cuck boomer position of "Oh, haha, I don't really think the Jews did anything wrong, *smirk*"

    What is all of this accomplishing? Never fighting back, refusing to acknowledge the JQ, congratulating yourself on being more gentlemanly than your opposition.

    WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

    Replies: @Jim Christian, @Anonymouse, @Matt Buckalew

    You’ve laid out your position–nice guy paleocon–but when are you going to *justify* it in a meta sense? What is all of this accomplishing? Never fighting back, refusing to acknowledge the JQ, congratulating yourself on being more gentlemanly than your opposition.

    Sailer writes, YOU decide. Whaddya want the guy to do, show up somewhere with a shotgun?

    The meaning of it all is there IS no meaning. Sounds like you have a touch of nipple anxiety. Work on it.

  89. @Peter D. Bredon
    @JohnnyWalker123

    "In some cases, when the individual is kicked out, they become a vagrant. That can introduce the possibility for some occasional violence too, often against other vagrants or sometimes random strangers. Especially when people fight over drugs, they can hurt each other."

    Indeed, and this is why the whole "there but for the grace of God" idea is so stupid. Liberals want us to believe that "anyone" could wind up homeless. But to be homeless it's not enough to not have a home (which is why the euphemism is so misleading). You don't have a home because you can't afford it, because you have no job, because you were fired for being an asshole, and no family to help you, because you're an asshole, and no friends to help you, because you're an asshole.

    So no, someone like Mitt Romney has no chance of "someday finding yourself homeless."

    (Which is not to say that Mitt isn't in some sense indeed an asshole. But a functional one)

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    Indeed, and this is why the whole “there but for the grace of God” idea is so stupid. Liberals want us to believe that “anyone” could wind up homeless. But to be homeless it’s not enough to not have a home (which is why the euphemism is so misleading). You don’t have a home because you can’t afford it, because you have no job, because you were fired for being an asshole, and no family to help you, because you’re an asshole, and no friends to help you, because you’re an asshole.

    In the past, when people were more trusting and sociable, it was common to take in “down on their luck” relatives, friends, and acquaintances. Occasionally, even a stranger who you may have just met a few times. Often, very interesting situations could ensue from this…

    There used to be a lot of movies and tv sitcoms in which a family took in someone and a lot of drama ensued. Most of these plots were comical, but there were darker stories too. Stories in which an outsider tried to take over the home. Like the movie “Poison Ivy.”

    Watch the trailer here.

    Interestingly, the above movie was semi-realistic and based on the real life experiences of the film’s director. Of course, the movie is dramatized and overaccentuated somewhat, but that’s to be expected in Hollywood.

    You rarely see these type of movie or tv plots these days.

    Why?

    It’s because people are much more socially distant and distrusting than used to be the case. People rarely take in others these days, unless the other person is a very close relative (like a child). Strangers are NEVER taken in anymore. So the above “Poison Ivy” plot would be totally unrealistic and unrelatable these days. However, back in the early 90s (when the movie was made), stuff like that happened.

    The above also explains why nobody gives rides to hitchhikers anymore. A hitchhiker is sort of like a very temporary room mate (who shares a car with you). In a society in which no one wants to socialize or get close to others (especially strangers), hitchhiking is impossible.

    By the way, from my experience, dysfunctional Whites become a lot more crime-prone when their families kick them out. Lots of White criminals are drifter types.

    • Replies: @ic1000
    @JohnnyWalker123

    > The above also explains why nobody gives rides to hitchhikers anymore.

    Singular of data: Driving on the interstate a few months ago, I passed a car stopped on the shoulder, then spotted a young man walking along. Thinking "out of gas," I pulled over to give him a ride to the next exit.

    Turned out he had nothing to do with the car, he was heading towards his destination a couple of hundred miles away. Cheerful, talkative guy with a disjointed story of growing up in Moscow, estranged from his family after coming to the US, drug-fueled breakups with girlfriends, fights with friends and dealers both white and black... the conversation kept circling around routine, impulsive interpersonal violence.

    I stopped to let him off at a busy and well-lit truck stop, offered him $20 (he declined) and luck (he accepted).

    A Boomer, I had encountered pleasant, helpful people when hitchhiking in rural areas, back in the 1970s. I reciprocated when I got my license, but that tapered off decades ago.

    I was foolish but lucky as a young hitchhiker, very foolish and very lucky in 2020. Won't do that again.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Reg Cæsar, @Dissident

  90. @Dumbo
    Nobody cares about black-on-black crime, because the media is really about propaganda, not news.

    But also because everybody prefers "man bites dog" vs "dog bites man" stories.

    No one cares about black crime (not even other blacks) and even black crime against whites gets more news (even if it doesn't fit the agenda) than black on black, because, well, I guess every one assumes that crime is what black people usually do, i.e. "dog bites dog", not even "dog bites man".

    Replies: @David In TN, @Forbes

    There is a dynamic to MSM coverage (or non-coverage) of black crime. The MSM makes a National Morality Play out of Laci and Scott Peterson, also Casey Anthony and the Natalee Holloway affair. In these everybody involved was white.

    On the other hand, the only black on white murder to ever be a National Morality Play was the O.J. Simpson farce. And in that one, the MSM made the white LAPD detective into the villain. Even before Mark Furhman became the story, the MSM picked away at the evidence and never admitted the case against Simpson was overwhelming.

    Some liberals whine that “only dead pretty white girls get coverage.” Well yes. A pretty white girl victim gets big coverage when the suspect looks like Scott Peterson or Joran van der Sloot. When the suspects look like Lemaricus Davidson and Eric Boyd the story is local only.

    Ironically, this is why black on black murders get little or no national coverage. They would have to show the suspect.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @David In TN

    Don't know that 'Morality Play' is quite the right word. True crime is a lurid genre. Also, the defendants in those cases are so atypical reporters may be motivated to build a story just on the novelty / identification factor. Dateline and 48 Hours build an audience this way. There are just enough bourgeois who commit premeditated murder to provide them with a years episodes. A program like Forensic Files which focuses on the evidence tends to have much more low-rent perpetrators (though still atypical perpetrators).

    What hit you about the Holloway case was a bunch of high school students vacationing together in the Caribbean with their teachers. What hit you about the Peterson case was multi-fold: he was the 2d man she'd been involved with who eventually landed in prison for homicide, she married him even though she'd caught him cheating during their engagement, the man's thirst for novelty was so pronounced he cheated on her with a woman who was older, less attractive, and had a ba*tard child. Not sure the authorities ever figured out if he killed his wife during an escalating domestic argument or if he carefully planned to dispose of her.

    Replies: @Rob McX

  91. @J.Ross
    @JohnnyWalker123

    This model suggests that the family and not the state is wider society's major defense against troublemakers, with blacks suffering more because they have trouble forming families.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    blacks suffering more because they have trouble forming families.

    That’s a factor. However, even if you look at Blacks who live with families, they’re much more violent and obsessed with alpha male dominance than Whites. Plenty of Black criminals have large extended families who took care of them.

    • Agree: Alden
  92. @Ripple Earthdevil
    @JohnnyWalker123


    Out of curiosity, are there any White neighborhoods left in which young men struggle to determine who’s the “baddest” alpha male on the block? I can’t think of any. There were some low-income White areas that were sort of like that in the past, but those young men fought with their fists. Most of those areas are now gentrified or taken over by non-Whites. Southie, for example
     
    .

    In case anyone is wondering, "Southie" is South Boston, a traditionally Irish working class enclave that was the epicenter of resistance to forced school busing in the mid-70's. I don't know what it's like now.

    Replies: @John Up North, @BostonJoe

    If you were to walk about in a large Northeastern city like New York, Boston, Philadelphia around the year 1860 and asked a passerby what they thought was the most pressing social problem they would most likely tell you it would be the sectarian divide and not slavery.

    Many parts of the aforementioned cities looked like Belfast in the 1960s, 70s and 80s; Catholics living on one side of a neighborhood and Protestants living on the opposite side. The decades leading up to the Civil War saw violent riots between Catholics and Protestants involving many deaths and much property destruction.

  93. @Anon
    @Arclight


    The other element completely missing from the discussion although hard to ignore if you have even passing familiarity with ‘the community’ is that personal slights are *always* responded to with threats of violence that frequently are followed up on to preserve face.
     
    This is probably something that could actually produce useful advice for a low socioeconomic status young person. Unlike the clueless pundits' advice that All You Need to Do to get out of a bad neighborhood is to become a machine learning expert and work in Palo Alto, learning a strategic way to handle being disrespected might be something that's actually feasible for some people.

    The typical savvy white collar worker who has a jerk boss will take the abuse for a while, stew over it, and figure out a way to make a clean transition to another job. In my experience, a lot of lower SES people of all races will just flip out at their boss one day, give them the finger, and quit on the spot. Then they're jobless....and then they can't pay the rent...and so on.

    Replies: @Arclight

    Your last sentence is also something I have seen firsthand, but this points to something else: impulsive people tend not to be very bright, and thus don’t do a good job of forecasting the consequences of their behavior.

    For all the hereditarians out there, this would line up with the evidence of the IQ gap between blacks indicating more impulsive behavior and thus more crime as a feature of society we cannot fully eliminate. However, culture still matters a lot as do consequences, and America has sent the signal to black Americans for a long time that we are eager to explain away inconvenient realities like high crime rather than demand reform of behavior.

    • Agree: Dissident
    • Replies: @Anon
    @Arclight


    this would line up with the evidence of the IQ gap between blacks indicating more impulsive behavior
     
    Russell Warne in his recent In the Know "debunks" the statement "IQ Scores Only Measure How Good Someone Is at Taking Tests" in chapter 22, which includes this list:

    Table 22.1
    Life outcomes that correlate with intelligence test scores
    (r >/= 0.15 and omitting single studies and small samples)

    POSITIVE CORRELATIONS:

    Creativity measures:
    - Number of patents
    - Research productivity

    Education:
    - Adult education attainment
    - Grades in school
    - Literacy level
    - Standardized test scores

    Leadership attainment

    Medical outcomes:
    - Myopia (i.e., nearsightedness)
    - Experiencing anorexia nervosa
    - Functional independence in old age
    - Good general physical health
    - Good general mental health
    - Longevity
    - Responsiveness to psychotherapy

    Occupational outcomes:
    - Income
    - Job complexity
    - Job performance
    - Occupation prestige
    - Promotions
    - Training success

    Offspring’s intelligence

    Sense of humor

    Socioeconomic status

    Voluntary migration (e.g., for a job, immigrating to a new country)

    NEGATIVE CORRELATIONS:

    Criminal behavior:
    - Arrests
    - Convictions
    - Incarceration

    Divorce

    Dogmatism and rigid thinking

    Giving birth out of wedlock (for women)

    Impulsivity

    Medical outcomes:
    - Death from cardiovascular disease
    - Dementia
    - Dying in an automobile accident
    - Experiencing an accident
    - High blood pressure
    - Hospitalizations
    - Personality disorder diagnosis
    - Schizophrenia
    - Smoking behavior

    Socioeconomic outcomes:
    - Living in poverty
    - Relying on welfare/public assistance
    - Unemployment
     
  94. OT but here’s an AFQT story for Steve. Yesterday I played golf with a guy who did his basic training at Ford Ord in 1952. He said that for a post-basic assignment, he got Advanced Infantry Training. As a college grad, he thought that was off, so he visits Personnel and asks what’s up. They say, “well, you didn’t do well on the AFQT.” He says, whatcha talkin’ about, I didn’t miss a question. They dig a little, and find that the guy with the low score was a different guy with the same last name. So instead of going to Korea, he went to Indiana.

  95. @syonredux
    @Almost Missouri


    *The apparently high “white”-on-white violence in the old Wild West may be a result of the FBI’s infamous Hispanic muddle factor, where the FBI mixes Hispanics with white as offenders, but not as victims.
     
    I think that's it's more a matter of poor law enforcement and cultural factors. For the law enforcement side of things, the Canadian West offers a good point of comparison, as the Mounties were much more effective than their Yank counterparts when it came to establishing the rule of law. Indeed, for a really specific example, compare conditions in Alaska and the Yukon during the gold rush.....

    On the cultural side of things, Western towns settled by New Englanders (excluding the Catholic Irish, New England was the most orderly and law-abiding region of the country in the 19th century) had significantly lower homicide rates than towns settled by Southerners.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    On the cultural side of things, Western towns settled by New Englanders… had significantly lower homicide rates than towns settled by Southerners.

    “Hawai‘i Week in New England”:

    From October 17-23, over 55 people will travel from Hawai‘i to New England for events commemorating the 200th anniversary of the 1st Company of Protestant missionaries sailing from Boston for Hawai‘i. Participants include members, trustees, staff, and congregants from Hawaiian Mission Houses and Kawaiaha‘o Church, members from other Hawai‘i-based organizations, independent travelers, and Hawaiian history buffs.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Reg Cæsar

    When did Hawaii acquire this strange back-to-front apostrophe? I can't even find it on my keyboard. And if "Hawai‘i", why not " Hawai‘ian"?

    Replies: @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

  96. @Anonymous
    @Art Deco

    Interest in the welfare of blacks is destroying the modern world...

    Replies: @Art Deco

    It’s doing nothing of the kind. That’s just silly talk.

  97. @anonymous
    Steve, when are you going to explicate your position?

    You've laid out your position--nice guy paleocon--but when are you going to *justify* it in a meta sense?

    I think you owe us that. You think you're right. Now tell us what your position--let's just call it for want of name, cuck boomerism--is actually accomplishing.

    Go ahead and tell us what your cuck boomerism is accomplishing when you just post articles every day about how geez, wouldn't it be nicer if people were more cuck boomerism paleocon like me?


    What do you think you're accomplishing with the cuck boomer position of "Oh, haha, I don't really think the Jews did anything wrong, *smirk*"

    What is all of this accomplishing? Never fighting back, refusing to acknowledge the JQ, congratulating yourself on being more gentlemanly than your opposition.

    WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

    Replies: @Jim Christian, @Anonymouse, @Matt Buckalew

    >What is all of this accomplishing? Never fighting back, refusing to acknowledge the JQ,

    Like John Derbyshire, Steve considers those fixated on the JQ (Jewish question) to be sick in the head.

    The JC nutcases Unz publishes on the main unz.com page are just up your alley. Go there and feed your rat.

  98. In the United States today, a young black man has fifteen times the chance of dying from violence as his white counterpart.

    In England, it’s a mere five-and-a-half times.

  99. Maradona has passed away, aged 60. In the world of football / soccer there was none more famous in the 80s and early 90s. He was the Michael Jordan of football, everyone everywhere, except the US, knew who he was. Argentina has declared 3 days of mourning.

    Seems like a subject may find interesting.

  100. @J.Ross
    @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder

    If someone cannot imagine that the lyingpress is lying to them, especially now when it has completely abandoned any pretense to being news, then there is no hope for that person.

    Replies: @Forbes

    Sadly, this–the lyingpress is lying to them–has been going on for decades. People passively watching the Idiot Box have no way of knowing–it’s the only source being spoon-fed to them. Go on social media, and it’s worse, the lyingpress is reinforced by every douchebag.

    • Agree: Charon, Polistra, Dissident
  101. In the United States today, a young black man has fifteen times the chance of dying from violence as his white counterpart.

    Factor of 15 seems to be way too high (Population W/B=5, Prison Population W/B=1) unless 2/3 of homicides of Blacks is unsolved.

    • Replies: @James B. Shearer
    @utu

    The prison population isn't limited to people who have killed young men. The racial disparity for other crimes is less.

    Replies: @utu

  102. @JackOH
    I want to pre-agree with the excellent commenter who puts it that the Black-White chasm is insuperable by integration or other assimilationist tactics, by the massive redistribution of wealth and income from mostly Whites to mostly Blacks under one guise or another, by the over-funding of mostly Black secondary schools with nothing to show for it, by explicit state-sanctioned hiring and education preferences that unfairly diminish the prospects for more talented Whites, etc.

    Even those of us who wish no ill to our fellow Black Americans don't see any mileage in continuing the architecture of civil rights legislation that smears all Whites by virtue of their (Whites') skin color alone.

    Replies: @Forbes, @obwandiyag

    Even those of us who wish no ill to our fellow Black Americans don’t see any mileage in continuing the architecture of civil rights legislation that smears all Whites by virtue of their (Whites’) skin color alone (Black) behavior and poor life choices leading to dismal outcomes.

    My view…

  103. @David In TN
    @Dumbo

    There is a dynamic to MSM coverage (or non-coverage) of black crime. The MSM makes a National Morality Play out of Laci and Scott Peterson, also Casey Anthony and the Natalee Holloway affair. In these everybody involved was white.

    On the other hand, the only black on white murder to ever be a National Morality Play was the O.J. Simpson farce. And in that one, the MSM made the white LAPD detective into the villain. Even before Mark Furhman became the story, the MSM picked away at the evidence and never admitted the case against Simpson was overwhelming.

    Some liberals whine that "only dead pretty white girls get coverage." Well yes. A pretty white girl victim gets big coverage when the suspect looks like Scott Peterson or Joran van der Sloot. When the suspects look like Lemaricus Davidson and Eric Boyd the story is local only.

    Ironically, this is why black on black murders get little or no national coverage. They would have to show the suspect.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Don’t know that ‘Morality Play’ is quite the right word. True crime is a lurid genre. Also, the defendants in those cases are so atypical reporters may be motivated to build a story just on the novelty / identification factor. Dateline and 48 Hours build an audience this way. There are just enough bourgeois who commit premeditated murder to provide them with a years episodes. A program like Forensic Files which focuses on the evidence tends to have much more low-rent perpetrators (though still atypical perpetrators).

    What hit you about the Holloway case was a bunch of high school students vacationing together in the Caribbean with their teachers. What hit you about the Peterson case was multi-fold: he was the 2d man she’d been involved with who eventually landed in prison for homicide, she married him even though she’d caught him cheating during their engagement, the man’s thirst for novelty was so pronounced he cheated on her with a woman who was older, less attractive, and had a ba*tard child. Not sure the authorities ever figured out if he killed his wife during an escalating domestic argument or if he carefully planned to dispose of her.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Art Deco


    ...he was the 2d man she’d been involved with who eventually landed in prison for homicide...
     
    Interesting, I didn't know that. I've never understood the huge publicity this case got. Dozens, maybe hundreds, of similar white middle class men kill their wives every year in the US, but the Peterson case was one of the biggest media events since OJ.

    Replies: @Hibernian

  104. @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder
    It's permitted--compulsory, even--to express profound dismay at the number of black people who are victims of violent crime. But if you dare to mention (or even display awareness of) just who's committing these crimes, expect instant excommunication.

    On rare occasions, it's white people. Even more rarely, white cops. But these two categories are just about the only ones ever portrayed in the mass media, much less made into international sensations.

    Over and over I see people saying "But I keep seeing x, y, and z" and never once does it occur to them that what they're 'seeing' has been carefully 'curated' by the MSM.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Hibernian

    My impression is that White people who commit crimes against Black people are quite likely to be cops; it’s very rare otherwise.

    • Thanks: Sean
    • Replies: @Danindc
    @Hibernian

    That’s what I always say. Are there any? What’s it happen every 5 years? The disparity is truly astounding.

  105. @Dumbo
    Nobody cares about black-on-black crime, because the media is really about propaganda, not news.

    But also because everybody prefers "man bites dog" vs "dog bites man" stories.

    No one cares about black crime (not even other blacks) and even black crime against whites gets more news (even if it doesn't fit the agenda) than black on black, because, well, I guess every one assumes that crime is what black people usually do, i.e. "dog bites dog", not even "dog bites man".

    Replies: @David In TN, @Forbes

    Bias, slant, and agenda is even more prevalent in what the MSM doesn’t report, as what it does report.

    To say, “nobody cares” is to miss the intent, the agenda. They care so much that the news or information is purposefully buried–ignored in order to push the propaganda of The Narrative.

  106. @pyrrhus
    All well known to those of us in cities like Chicago....In one year there, there was a total of one (1) murder by whites and asians combined, but several hundred by blacks, as usual....

    BTW, after Taki's disgraceful comments on the election, I lost interest in supporting his site....Along with many others I suspect...

    Replies: @Hibernian

    …there was a total of one (1) murder by whites and asians combined…

    So a White guy and an Asian guy teamed up to kill somebody?

    • LOL: Rob McX
    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Hibernian

    I believe the police already have some suspects.

    https://i2.wp.com/metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/ad_78021094.jpg

  107. @Barnard
    The number of true believers in the "black violence is the fault of white racism" theory has been rising sharply. In many parts of the country any Democrat office holder who pushed back against it would face an instant primary challenge that would to an almost certain loss. In a way, this book sounds similar to Christopher Caldwell's The Age of Entitlement, which pointed out what a disaster the civil right legislation of the 1960s has been, but still considers it necessary and repealing it beyond the pale.

    Speaking of Caldwell, I was surprised to see The New Republic printing this analysis of the election by him. He admits Trump likely would have won if not for Covid. He also understands Biden has no chance of holding back the extremists on the left. He closed with:

    Longstanding traditions are undermined when only part of a country is able to take advantage of new technological possibilities. In the 1860s, three major Western countries—Germany, Italy, and the United States—each fought similar wars of national unification, in which the more dynamic part of the country subjugated the more bucolic (or backward) part. In our time, Democrats are the party of relatively greater technological and demographic dynamism, Republicans the party of relatively less. This is not the same type of relationship as the one that obtained until half a century ago, when Republicans were (roughly speaking) the party of capital, and Democrats the party of labor. Capital and labor need each other in a way that dynamism and tradition do not. One fears the present conflict will differ accordingly.
     
    It appears that at least on some level, both Caldwell and Currie are trying to get their fellow elites to understand how close the country is to descending into uncontrollable violence. I don't get the impression either one would be in favor of the steps necessary to avoid it.

    https://newrepublic.com/article/160338/biden-popular-front-doomed-unravel

    Replies: @Forbes

    Democrats are the party of relatively greater technological and demographic dynamism, Republicans the party of relatively less.

    I don’t think this holds water as a fact. It might be Caldwell’s broad-brush impression, but even that is debatable as an issue. How is such dynamism defined? Dems dominate Twit & FB? What does that mean? Dems are the party of technology oligarchs? Dems pursue open borders to add third-world immigrants to their stable of dependency, thus enlarging their electoral prospects. Reps rejecting open borders is a lack of demographic dynamism??

    That’s a long way from saying the South at the time of slavery was backward, as compared to the North. The North had a population of ~22 million, while the South had a population of ~9 million–about half were slaves.

    YMMV.

  108. @Peter D. Bredon
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I seem to recall that the only FDR statue was somewhat recent, and was controversial because they wanted to depict him sitting, presumably in a wheelchair. So you can't really "take down" the statue, but I guess you could wheel him away out of sight.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Haha! I was thinking of that myself, Peter but didn’t want to go on about it. Yeah “toppling” doesn’t work I guess. Wheel him into the dumpster for all I care, but the recycling one, so we can reclaim that bronze…

  109. @Ripple Earthdevil
    @JohnnyWalker123


    Out of curiosity, are there any White neighborhoods left in which young men struggle to determine who’s the “baddest” alpha male on the block? I can’t think of any. There were some low-income White areas that were sort of like that in the past, but those young men fought with their fists. Most of those areas are now gentrified or taken over by non-Whites. Southie, for example
     
    .

    In case anyone is wondering, "Southie" is South Boston, a traditionally Irish working class enclave that was the epicenter of resistance to forced school busing in the mid-70's. I don't know what it's like now.

    Replies: @John Up North, @BostonJoe

    My wife, daughter and I lived in Southie until 2017 (I am Boston born and raised: Dorchester raised; private school in Back Bay; Northeastern University, —-very Irish looking, but not too Irish by ancestry).

    Southie is now ‘yuppie heaven’ with a few projects sprinkled in—-the Boston Police are very efficient and know their customer base.

    Southie: Very safe, really nice section of Boston.

    We now live in the South Central Part
    Of the US, due to work.

    When I was a kid: Southie was pretty safe—-I used to go there every Saturday morning to play hockey—-although super easy to get into a fight, if you were so inclined.

    My mom’s office was also in Southie and never a problem. She always felt safe there.

    To call Southie a “slum” of any kind world be wrong: mostly very good working class to middle class Irish American folks: really good peeps.

    The scum there seemed to mostly keep to one another with the Boston Police dropping the hammer with frequency.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @BostonJoe


    The scum there seemed to mostly keep to one another with the Boston Police dropping the hammer with frequency.
     
    Unless you have a successful deli that a mobster wants.

    Same thing in Chicago. Such people mainly deal with each other and those who are foolish enough to accept favors from them, but there are some very tragic exceptions. And the killings, beatings, etc. of people in the two categories I just mentioned, especially the latter, are also horrible crimes.

    Replies: @BostonJoe

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @BostonJoe

    Are there any Whites left in the Southie projects? I heard they've been mostly cleared out.

    Replies: @BostonJoe

  110. @AndrewR
    @Harry Baldwin

    Probably.

    I made the mistake of dating a black girl years ago. She seemed chill and non-ghetto until one evening she shoved me after I told her to leave my house after she insulted me. I wasn't even in her way. The shove was 100% gratuitous. Then she returned soon after because she had allegedly left her phone in my house. Given the completely unexpected and unnecessary violence she had previously inflicted, it's needless to say that I wasn't happy about her being in my house still, amd I had no idea what she might do. I debated grabbing my shotgun but I opted to call 911 just to cover my ass.

    I said to the dispatcher "there is an intruder in my house who just assaulted me but if she leaves right now I will hang up." Then this girl proceeded to punch me in the face. I am not making this up. After hitting me with her purse a few times, she left and I told the dispatcher where she was headed (she was on foot). The cops brought her back swiftly (it's a wealthy town with little crime and a lot of cops) and asked if I wanted to press charges. I said I didn't know but I wanted her locked up for the night. They said they wouldn't do that. By the way, I had witnesses (besides the dispatcher) and I don't even think she denied hitting me. I couldn't believe it.

    I ended up not pressing charges. In retrospect I should have raised hell about the worthless cops. The incident also put me on the city's radar in a way that was unpleasant for me, but that's another story.

    In conclusion: NEVER date blacks and NEVER trust cops or any government leeched.

    Replies: @Rob McX, @duncsbaby, @Sam Malone

    The cops brought her back swiftly (it’s a wealthy town with little crime and a lot of cops) and asked if I wanted to press charges. I said I didn’t know but I wanted her locked up for the night. They said they wouldn’t do that.

    That’s the problem. You can’t ask cops to lock someone up unless you’re committed to pressing charges. If you end up not pressing charges, the incarceration was a form of extra-judicial punishment dictated by you. Cops aren’t going to go along with that.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Rob McX

    Well I was afraid of extra-judicial retaliation by her vodka'd-up self.

  111. Frauds like this “expert” twist their language and thinking into such knots that a translation is always called for.

    “The result was that in communities with average household incomes over $60,000, blacks faced a nearly sixteenfold greater chance of being shot than whites.”

    English translation: The result was that in communities with average household incomes over $60,000, blacks were nearly sixteen times more likely to shoot other blacks than Whites were likely to shoot other Whites.

    The only world in which his Newspeak could stand unchallenged would be one in which blacks were only being shot by non-blacks.

    • Agree: Hibernian, David In TN
  112. @anonymous
    OFF TOPIC:

    Another datum for the machine:

    SPAIN (Reuters) - At least eight people were drowned after a boat carrying more than 35 migrants from the Maghreb region of North Africa and heading towards the Canary Islands capsized on Tuesday, emergency services said on Wednesday.

    Four people were found dead late on Tuesday and another four bodies were rescued on Wednesday morning. The emergency services said they were searching for any more missing persons.

    One of the 28 migrants rescued had to be transferred to a hospital.

    A Reuters reporter saw rescue workers carry bodies on stretchers over the jagged rocks of Lanzarote’s Orzola beach before placing them down and covering them with blankets.

    Hundreds of people have died this year making the perilous crossing to the Spanish islands in the Atlantic Ocean, often in rickety, overcrowded boats with unreliable engines, according to the International Organization for Migration.

    Migrant arrivals in the Canary Islands have surged to 17,000 this year -- 10 times last year’s total -- as north and sub-Saharan Africans grow desperate after losing incomes from tourism, among sectors hit worst by the coronavirus pandemic.

    The Spanish government promised on Friday to assist in building shelters for arrivals as local authorities appealed for help in housing thousands of migrants who are sleeping out in the open.

    The perilous sea passage to the Canary Islands was once a more popular route but attempts became scarcer when Spain stepped up patrols in the mid-2000s.

    This year, with fewer options, migrants seeking an escape from poverty or conflict are again taking the longer, 1,400-km (870-mile) sea route to the islands off the Moroccan coast.

     

    Replies: @Rob McX

    Migrant arrivals in the Canary Islands have surged to 17,000 this year — 10 times last year’s total — as north and sub-Saharan Africans grow desperate after losing incomes from tourism, among sectors hit worst by the coronavirus pandemic.

    Africa’s problems take precedence over Spain’s of course. Think of what these hordes of Africans will do for the Canary Islands’ own tourist industry, the main source of income there.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Rob McX

    Another justification for Brexit, of course.

    In a matter of years *all* of these criminal trespassers will be granted Spanish citizenship, (why else do they come?), and thus the absolute 'right' to settle in any EU nation of their choice.
    Of course, the UK, with its generous welfare state is the ultimate destination they had in mind from the get go. Spain was merely a staging post.

    From December 31st 2020 a 'Spanish' immigrant to the UK will be treated in exactly the same way as a Somali immigrant, although some of you might scoff at that sentence, it is a very big and very welcome change. Of late the greater part of the third world trash inundating Britain have come as secondary immigrants from EU states. Only a minority has come direct from the third world.

  113. @Reg Cæsar
    @syonredux


    On the cultural side of things, Western towns settled by New Englanders... had significantly lower homicide rates than towns settled by Southerners.
     
    “Hawai‘i Week in New England”:

    From October 17-23, over 55 people will travel from Hawai‘i to New England for events commemorating the 200th anniversary of the 1st Company of Protestant missionaries sailing from Boston for Hawai‘i. Participants include members, trustees, staff, and congregants from Hawaiian Mission Houses and Kawaiaha‘o Church, members from other Hawai‘i-based organizations, independent travelers, and Hawaiian history buffs.

     

    https://olympics.nbcsports.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2020/03/GettyImages-83392003-e1584664241608.jpg?w=594

    Replies: @Rob McX

    When did Hawaii acquire this strange back-to-front apostrophe? I can’t even find it on my keyboard. And if “Hawai‘i”, why not ” Hawai‘ian”?

    • Replies: @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    @Rob McX

    Rob McX asks: When did Hawaii acquire this strange back-to-front apostrophe? I can’t even find it on my keyboard. And if “Hawai‘i”, why not ” Hawai‘ian”?

    That's not an apostrophe, which looks like a little raised 9; it's a beginning single-quote mark, which looks like a little raised 6. On a keyboard, both these symbols are typed by hitting the key just to the left of the Enter key. With the smart-quote feature turned on, the software thinks that when you type this symbol you mean a beginning single-quote mark. But usually what you want is an apostrophe. I blame Microsoft for this feature that works like a bug.

  114. @Art Deco
    @David In TN

    Don't know that 'Morality Play' is quite the right word. True crime is a lurid genre. Also, the defendants in those cases are so atypical reporters may be motivated to build a story just on the novelty / identification factor. Dateline and 48 Hours build an audience this way. There are just enough bourgeois who commit premeditated murder to provide them with a years episodes. A program like Forensic Files which focuses on the evidence tends to have much more low-rent perpetrators (though still atypical perpetrators).

    What hit you about the Holloway case was a bunch of high school students vacationing together in the Caribbean with their teachers. What hit you about the Peterson case was multi-fold: he was the 2d man she'd been involved with who eventually landed in prison for homicide, she married him even though she'd caught him cheating during their engagement, the man's thirst for novelty was so pronounced he cheated on her with a woman who was older, less attractive, and had a ba*tard child. Not sure the authorities ever figured out if he killed his wife during an escalating domestic argument or if he carefully planned to dispose of her.

    Replies: @Rob McX

    …he was the 2d man she’d been involved with who eventually landed in prison for homicide…

    Interesting, I didn’t know that. I’ve never understood the huge publicity this case got. Dozens, maybe hundreds, of similar white middle class men kill their wives every year in the US, but the Peterson case was one of the biggest media events since OJ.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Rob McX

    It was especially gruesome and he almost got away with it.

  115. more concerning are the dramatic rise in white deaths of despair since 1999.

    white suicides are up 30% since 1999.
    40,000 whites committed suicide in 2018 alone.

    in 1999 the white suicide rate was 20 per 100,000 and the Black rate was 10
    in 2018 the white suicide rate was 29 per 100,000 and the Black rate was 11

    over the last 5 years almost 200,000 whites have committed suicide and another 250,000 whites died from drugs. This is more concerning to whites than the 50,000 blacks who have been killed over the same time period. 2020 will see a record number of white deaths of despair.

  116. That blacks are sixteen times as likely as whites to be wounded by gunfire but only nine times as likely to be murdered is related in part to black shooters’ tendency to open fire at block parties and funerals, wounding multiple bystanders in hopes of killing the one or two guys they are really mad at.

    Blacks have poorer marksmanship due to social deprivation. It’s time for publicly funded shooting ranges in black neighbourhoods. This would also alleviate the ammunition shortage, as they’d be able to hit their intended victim with fewer shots.

    • Agree: Kronos
    • LOL: Hibernian
    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Rob McX

    Just make sure they use up the S&W .40 that’s still on the shelves. It’s the only handgun ammo you can still find for whatever reason. (Maybe not as fun as 10mm but it’s still something.)

  117. @BostonJoe
    @Ripple Earthdevil

    My wife, daughter and I lived in Southie until 2017 (I am Boston born and raised: Dorchester raised; private school in Back Bay; Northeastern University, —-very Irish looking, but not too Irish by ancestry).

    Southie is now ‘yuppie heaven’ with a few projects sprinkled in—-the Boston Police are very efficient and know their customer base.

    Southie: Very safe, really nice section of Boston.

    We now live in the South Central Part
    Of the US, due to work.

    When I was a kid: Southie was pretty safe—-I used to go there every Saturday morning to play hockey—-although super easy to get into a fight, if you were so inclined.

    My mom’s office was also in Southie and never a problem. She always felt safe there.

    To call Southie a “slum” of any kind world be wrong: mostly very good working class to middle class Irish American folks: really good peeps.

    The scum there seemed to mostly keep to one another with the Boston Police dropping the hammer with frequency.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @JohnnyWalker123

    The scum there seemed to mostly keep to one another with the Boston Police dropping the hammer with frequency.

    Unless you have a successful deli that a mobster wants.

    Same thing in Chicago. Such people mainly deal with each other and those who are foolish enough to accept favors from them, but there are some very tragic exceptions. And the killings, beatings, etc. of people in the two categories I just mentioned, especially the latter, are also horrible crimes.

    • Replies: @BostonJoe
    @Hibernian

    Absolutely. I think there were several cases of absolute innocents robbed, beaten, etc by these animals, however, by and large this was very rare and Southie was (and I think) is a very safe place to walk around in.

    As a college kid (mid/late 80s) I had a job in a factory off of Dorchester Ave close to Broadway MBTA which involved working all sorts of shifts and weird hours—-there are some projects near there and was never bothered. I am 5’7” and 180 lbs—so not a bruiser.

  118. @Rob McX
    @Art Deco


    ...he was the 2d man she’d been involved with who eventually landed in prison for homicide...
     
    Interesting, I didn't know that. I've never understood the huge publicity this case got. Dozens, maybe hundreds, of similar white middle class men kill their wives every year in the US, but the Peterson case was one of the biggest media events since OJ.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    It was especially gruesome and he almost got away with it.

  119. @YetAnotherAnon
    @JohnnyWalker123

    "White “hardened criminals” usually are isolated loners who terrorize their extended families."

    Except among the Travellers/Gypsies, whether Irish or Romany (and possibly the Romanian Roma, too), where they are beloved patriarchs, as seen by their huge funerals.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Johnson_Gang

    (this doesn't mention the guy who died on one of their sites, at Andoversford IIRC, in suspicious circumstances)

    "Out of curiosity, are there any White neighborhoods left in which young men struggle to determine who’s the “baddest” alpha male on the block?"

    Still happens in places like Liverpool, Glasgow and Manchester. Often the families have Irish roots. Who controls the streets controls the drug trade.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_firms_(organised_crime)#British_crime_firms

    Replies: @James Speaks, @Romanian

    Let’s review the Irish:
    1) Sociable in the extreme
    2) Sing a lot
    3) Clannish to a degree indistinguishable from tribalism
    4) Drink a lot
    5) Curly hair
    6) Sociable

  120. @anonymous
    Steve, when are you going to explicate your position?

    You've laid out your position--nice guy paleocon--but when are you going to *justify* it in a meta sense?

    I think you owe us that. You think you're right. Now tell us what your position--let's just call it for want of name, cuck boomerism--is actually accomplishing.

    Go ahead and tell us what your cuck boomerism is accomplishing when you just post articles every day about how geez, wouldn't it be nicer if people were more cuck boomerism paleocon like me?


    What do you think you're accomplishing with the cuck boomer position of "Oh, haha, I don't really think the Jews did anything wrong, *smirk*"

    What is all of this accomplishing? Never fighting back, refusing to acknowledge the JQ, congratulating yourself on being more gentlemanly than your opposition.

    WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

    Replies: @Jim Christian, @Anonymouse, @Matt Buckalew

    It means Steve went to Rice and UCLA so he feels an inherent reluctance to attack his betters. Steve basically tried to climb to greasy pole couldn’t quite hack it and is enough of a decent guy to not engage in sour grapes

  121. @Welked Joni
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Black Men are just more manly

    Is it any wonder why white girls crave their touch and seed?

    Black Men have been abused by whiteness so long that it has made them tough

    That's why they are such good soldiers athletes fathers husbands and are the future

    Replies: @Bert, @Anon, @duncsbaby

    Black Men are just more manly

    True, as are black women.

  122. Anon[646] • Disclaimer says:
    @Arclight
    @Anon

    Your last sentence is also something I have seen firsthand, but this points to something else: impulsive people tend not to be very bright, and thus don't do a good job of forecasting the consequences of their behavior.

    For all the hereditarians out there, this would line up with the evidence of the IQ gap between blacks indicating more impulsive behavior and thus more crime as a feature of society we cannot fully eliminate. However, culture still matters a lot as do consequences, and America has sent the signal to black Americans for a long time that we are eager to explain away inconvenient realities like high crime rather than demand reform of behavior.

    Replies: @Anon

    this would line up with the evidence of the IQ gap between blacks indicating more impulsive behavior

    Russell Warne in his recent In the Know “debunks” the statement “IQ Scores Only Measure How Good Someone Is at Taking Tests” in chapter 22, which includes this list:

    Table 22.1
    Life outcomes that correlate with intelligence test scores
    (r >/= 0.15 and omitting single studies and small samples)

    POSITIVE CORRELATIONS:

    Creativity measures:
    – Number of patents
    – Research productivity

    Education:
    – Adult education attainment
    – Grades in school
    – Literacy level
    – Standardized test scores

    Leadership attainment

    Medical outcomes:
    – Myopia (i.e., nearsightedness)
    – Experiencing anorexia nervosa
    – Functional independence in old age
    – Good general physical health
    – Good general mental health
    – Longevity
    – Responsiveness to psychotherapy

    Occupational outcomes:
    – Income
    – Job complexity
    – Job performance
    – Occupation prestige
    – Promotions
    – Training success

    Offspring’s intelligence

    Sense of humor

    Socioeconomic status

    Voluntary migration (e.g., for a job, immigrating to a new country)

    NEGATIVE CORRELATIONS:

    Criminal behavior:
    – Arrests
    – Convictions
    – Incarceration

    Divorce

    Dogmatism and rigid thinking

    Giving birth out of wedlock (for women)

    Impulsivity

    Medical outcomes:
    – Death from cardiovascular disease
    – Dementia
    – Dying in an automobile accident
    – Experiencing an accident
    – High blood pressure
    – Hospitalizations
    – Personality disorder diagnosis
    – Schizophrenia
    – Smoking behavior

    Socioeconomic outcomes:
    – Living in poverty
    – Relying on welfare/public assistance
    – Unemployment

  123. Redlining was so powerful it even impacts blacks in the uk

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Bigdicknick

    Just reword tectonic plate shifts as racial redlining on maps and you’ll end up with the next biggest woke thing since racist white bread.

    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-seFRBhmrs50/WmtO-N9XzGI/AAAAAAAAOsw/68jv4sBDt_U1IqFGnDMWGjiwFRk4b5dQACLcBGAs/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/Ring%2Bof%2BFire__15.jpg

  124. @Redneck farmer
    Maybe Africa, even more than Europe, used America as a dumping ground for its "human offal"?
    In "Mr. Midshipman Easy" Mesty's own father arranged for him to be captured and sold into slavery. He was too eager for war, and threatened the security of his tribe.

    Replies: @MBlanc46

    The Africans enslaved by other Africans were those without the means to prevent their enslavement.

  125. @BostonJoe
    @Ripple Earthdevil

    My wife, daughter and I lived in Southie until 2017 (I am Boston born and raised: Dorchester raised; private school in Back Bay; Northeastern University, —-very Irish looking, but not too Irish by ancestry).

    Southie is now ‘yuppie heaven’ with a few projects sprinkled in—-the Boston Police are very efficient and know their customer base.

    Southie: Very safe, really nice section of Boston.

    We now live in the South Central Part
    Of the US, due to work.

    When I was a kid: Southie was pretty safe—-I used to go there every Saturday morning to play hockey—-although super easy to get into a fight, if you were so inclined.

    My mom’s office was also in Southie and never a problem. She always felt safe there.

    To call Southie a “slum” of any kind world be wrong: mostly very good working class to middle class Irish American folks: really good peeps.

    The scum there seemed to mostly keep to one another with the Boston Police dropping the hammer with frequency.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @JohnnyWalker123

    Are there any Whites left in the Southie projects? I heard they’ve been mostly cleared out.

    • Replies: @BostonJoe
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I think you are right. No more whites in the projects there, but I could be wrong.
    I think there are two major projects:
    Old Colony and McCormack. I kept my distance.

    We lived over in the Seaport—-completely great place to live. Absolutely beautiful place.

  126. @RichardTaylor

    Many conservatives credulously believe progressives’ claims that the social sciences vindicate liberal ideology.
     
    Conservatives are just as bad as liberals when it comes to racial self-hatred. It's a sickness.

    I think this Latino has a good overview of White neurosis:

    https://twitter.com/emeriticus/status/1331280690344833037

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Kronos

    Oh wow, you mean they have self-respect?

  127. @Bigdicknick
    Redlining was so powerful it even impacts blacks in the uk

    Replies: @Kronos

    Just reword tectonic plate shifts as racial redlining on maps and you’ll end up with the next biggest woke thing since racist white bread.

  128. @Thomas
    @Reg Cæsar

    Another argument in favor of building your own (though we're still dependent on supplies of parts and (sigh) ammunition.

    Replies: @Kronos

    Just buy a AK platform rifle and bulk up on cheap steel “Wolf” ammo. It’s the only option left at this point.

    If anyone asks too many questions, just say your buying it for your pet Russian.

    • Replies: @Thomas
    @Kronos

    A friend of mine in California (where of course they've had ammo problems of a different sort before anyone else) maintains he's been money ahead shooting Commie steel ammo through ARs and just getting a fresh barrel every few thousand rounds. I don't shoot enough to take the Pepsi challenge on that one, but that's what he says.

    Replies: @Kronos

  129. @Hibernian
    @BostonJoe


    The scum there seemed to mostly keep to one another with the Boston Police dropping the hammer with frequency.
     
    Unless you have a successful deli that a mobster wants.

    Same thing in Chicago. Such people mainly deal with each other and those who are foolish enough to accept favors from them, but there are some very tragic exceptions. And the killings, beatings, etc. of people in the two categories I just mentioned, especially the latter, are also horrible crimes.

    Replies: @BostonJoe

    Absolutely. I think there were several cases of absolute innocents robbed, beaten, etc by these animals, however, by and large this was very rare and Southie was (and I think) is a very safe place to walk around in.

    As a college kid (mid/late 80s) I had a job in a factory off of Dorchester Ave close to Broadway MBTA which involved working all sorts of shifts and weird hours—-there are some projects near there and was never bothered. I am 5’7” and 180 lbs—so not a bruiser.

  130. @JohnnyWalker123
    @BostonJoe

    Are there any Whites left in the Southie projects? I heard they've been mostly cleared out.

    Replies: @BostonJoe

    I think you are right. No more whites in the projects there, but I could be wrong.
    I think there are two major projects:
    Old Colony and McCormack. I kept my distance.

    We lived over in the Seaport—-completely great place to live. Absolutely beautiful place.

  131. @anonymous
    @JohnnyWalker123


    Out of curiosity, are there any White neighborhoods left in which young men struggle to determine who’s the “baddest” alpha male on the block?
     
    There are still a few small white ghettos remaining in Cincinnati, such as Lower Price Hill and the East End, where that is a thing to some degree.

    Lower Price Hill:
    https://youtu.be/Lfa1OFlYhgQ

    Pittsburgh has some similar areas. Also Tulsa.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    That White youth, who was killed in a party in Cincinnati, attended a school that was 77% Black and 14% White. A local gang is suspected. No one is talking.

    https://www.schooldigger.com/go/OH/schools/0437504219/school.aspx

    Odds are that the killing was done by Blacks. All the above evidence suggests it.

    Lower Price Hill has White slums, sure, but is there any evidence of White youths engaging in significant violence?

  132. @Rob McX
    @Reg Cæsar

    When did Hawaii acquire this strange back-to-front apostrophe? I can't even find it on my keyboard. And if "Hawai‘i", why not " Hawai‘ian"?

    Replies: @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    Rob McX asks: When did Hawaii acquire this strange back-to-front apostrophe? I can’t even find it on my keyboard. And if “Hawai‘i”, why not ” Hawai‘ian”?

    That’s not an apostrophe, which looks like a little raised 9; it’s a beginning single-quote mark, which looks like a little raised 6. On a keyboard, both these symbols are typed by hitting the key just to the left of the Enter key. With the smart-quote feature turned on, the software thinks that when you type this symbol you mean a beginning single-quote mark. But usually what you want is an apostrophe. I blame Microsoft for this feature that works like a bug.

    • Thanks: Rob McX
  133. He doesn’t mention Emmett Till? At least that’s progress.

    • Thanks: JimDandy
  134. @Rob McX
    @AndrewR


    The cops brought her back swiftly (it’s a wealthy town with little crime and a lot of cops) and asked if I wanted to press charges. I said I didn’t know but I wanted her locked up for the night. They said they wouldn’t do that.
     
    That's the problem. You can't ask cops to lock someone up unless you're committed to pressing charges. If you end up not pressing charges, the incarceration was a form of extra-judicial punishment dictated by you. Cops aren't going to go along with that.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Well I was afraid of extra-judicial retaliation by her vodka’d-up self.

  135. @JackOH
    I want to pre-agree with the excellent commenter who puts it that the Black-White chasm is insuperable by integration or other assimilationist tactics, by the massive redistribution of wealth and income from mostly Whites to mostly Blacks under one guise or another, by the over-funding of mostly Black secondary schools with nothing to show for it, by explicit state-sanctioned hiring and education preferences that unfairly diminish the prospects for more talented Whites, etc.

    Even those of us who wish no ill to our fellow Black Americans don't see any mileage in continuing the architecture of civil rights legislation that smears all Whites by virtue of their (Whites') skin color alone.

    Replies: @Forbes, @obwandiyag

    All you bozos suffer from severe innumeracy.

    “Massive redistribution of wealth”?

    Haha. Ha.

    Peanuts.

    The real massive redistribution of wealth is from all of us to the rich.

    But of course your kind don’t complain about that.

    Because you are temporarily embarrassed billionaires.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
    @obwandiyag


    The real massive redistribution of wealth is from all of us to the rich.
     
    Fallacy of the false alternative.

    The wealth of the bad-white gentile middle & working class has been redistributed to BOTH the good-white gentry AND the black no-hopers.

    Ever heard of the high/low coalition against the middle?

    It's two mints - two mints - two mints in one!

    But of course your kind don’t complain about that.
     
    Jeezus, dude, we complain about the good-white gentry all the time.

    What alternative world blog are you living on?

    Replies: @JackOH

  136. @utu

    In the United States today, a young black man has fifteen times the chance of dying from violence as his white counterpart.
     
    Factor of 15 seems to be way too high (Population W/B=5, Prison Population W/B=1) unless 2/3 of homicides of Blacks is unsolved.

    Replies: @James B. Shearer

    The prison population isn’t limited to people who have killed young men. The racial disparity for other crimes is less.

    • Replies: @utu
    @James B. Shearer

    It would be good to see the numbers how the factor of 15 was arrived. People can make mistakes like not so long ago when Sailer normalized interracial crime figures by population.

  137. It takes a White band, and a White sociologist to tell us all what we already know:

    You gotta keep ’em separated

    Like the latest fashion
    Like a spreading disease
    The kids are strappin’ on their way to the classroom
    Getting weapons with the greatest of ease

    The gangs stake their own campus locale
    And if they catch you slippin’ then it’s all over pal
    If one guy’s colors and the other’s don’t mix
    They’re gonna bash it up, bash it up, bash it up, bash it up

    Hey man you talkin’ back to me?
    Take him out
    You gotta keep ’em separated
    Hey man you disrespecting me?
    Take him out
    You gotta keep ’em separated
    Hey don’t pay no mind
    You’re under 18 you won’t be doing any time
    Hey come out and play

    By the time you hear the siren
    It’s already too late
    One goes to the morgue and the other to jail
    One guy’s wasted and the other’s a waste

    It goes down the same as the thousand before
    No one’s getting smarter no one’s learning the score
    Your never-ending spree of death and violence, and hate
    Is gonna tie your own rope, tie your own rope, tie your own

    Hey man you disrespecting me?
    Take him out
    You gotta keep ’em separated
    Hey man you talkin’ back to me?
    Take him out
    You gotta keep ’em separated
    Hey don’t pay no mind
    You’re under 18 you won’t be doing any time
    Hey come out and play

    • Replies: @halfwaydecentbassline
    @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    The singer/songwriter, Dexter Holland of the Offspring, has a PhD in Molecular Biology.

    From Wikipedia:

    "Come Out And Play", it was about gang and school violence: "Back then I was a grad student and I was commuting to school everyday in a shitty car, driving through East L.A. Gangland central. I was there the day of the L.A. riots. So I was very aware of that part of the world, and a lot of that gun stuff came out in songs like 'Come Out and Play'." Inspiration for the "keep 'em separated" lyric came from Dexter Holland's experience in a laboratory cooling Erlenmeyer flasks full of hot liquids.

    I mean, he's no Brian May but still...

    Replies: @duncsbaby, @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

  138. @Alden
    @Art Deco

    Why should any White person be actually interested in the welfare of blacks; either feigned like liberals or real like Heather MacDonald?

    Billions of wasted dollars, destruction of our great cities, endless effort I really really don’t care what happens to blacks. And if MacDonald really really cares about blacks, then F’er.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Art Deco

    But Emmett Till, bro….

  139. @Rob McX

    That blacks are sixteen times as likely as whites to be wounded by gunfire but only nine times as likely to be murdered is related in part to black shooters’ tendency to open fire at block parties and funerals, wounding multiple bystanders in hopes of killing the one or two guys they are really mad at.
     
    Blacks have poorer marksmanship due to social deprivation. It's time for publicly funded shooting ranges in black neighbourhoods. This would also alleviate the ammunition shortage, as they'd be able to hit their intended victim with fewer shots.

    Replies: @Kronos

    Just make sure they use up the S&W .40 that’s still on the shelves. It’s the only handgun ammo you can still find for whatever reason. (Maybe not as fun as 10mm but it’s still something.)

  140. Anonymous[244] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rob McX
    @anonymous


    Migrant arrivals in the Canary Islands have surged to 17,000 this year — 10 times last year’s total — as north and sub-Saharan Africans grow desperate after losing incomes from tourism, among sectors hit worst by the coronavirus pandemic.
     
    Africa's problems take precedence over Spain's of course. Think of what these hordes of Africans will do for the Canary Islands' own tourist industry, the main source of income there.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Another justification for Brexit, of course.

    In a matter of years *all* of these criminal trespassers will be granted Spanish citizenship, (why else do they come?), and thus the absolute ‘right’ to settle in any EU nation of their choice.
    Of course, the UK, with its generous welfare state is the ultimate destination they had in mind from the get go. Spain was merely a staging post.

    From December 31st 2020 a ‘Spanish’ immigrant to the UK will be treated in exactly the same way as a Somali immigrant, although some of you might scoff at that sentence, it is a very big and very welcome change. Of late the greater part of the third world trash inundating Britain have come as secondary immigrants from EU states. Only a minority has come direct from the third world.

    • Agree: Rob McX
  141. @AnotherDad
    @Art Deco


    Gentry liberals are indifferent to the actual welfare of blacks, as are black chauvinists. Everything said and done consists of status games or expanding the trade in political patronage.
     
    Well said Art.

    Those BLM yard signs--as is obvious both from the neighborhoods and what's on the signs themselves--have nothing to do with blacks, and everything to do with those whites virtue signaling their superiority to deplorable--i.e. in touch with reality--white people like me.

    As i walk my neighborhood, i'm building a list of who has put up such signs, so if the the shit really hits the fan, i'll know whom i should kill and eat.

    Replies: @gcochran, @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race

    Watch out for prions.

    • Thanks: AnotherDad
  142. @James B. Shearer
    @utu

    The prison population isn't limited to people who have killed young men. The racial disparity for other crimes is less.

    Replies: @utu

    It would be good to see the numbers how the factor of 15 was arrived. People can make mistakes like not so long ago when Sailer normalized interracial crime figures by population.

  143. It’s the only handgun ammo you can still find for whatever reason.

    Maybe because it’s the FBI round?

  144. @eric
    I don't grok this point:

    Moreover, among male victims of domestic murders:

    What may be more surprising, though, is that intimate partner violence also contributes to the excess risk faced by black men. Among the male victims…the racial imbalance was even more striking than among female ones: nearly half of the men who died in these incidents of intimate partner violence were black.
     
    Half of the men dying from intimate partner violence are black. In the context of all the other homicide data, why is this "more striking?"

    Replies: @Peter Johnson, @Harry Baldwin, @lanskrim, @Almost Missouri, @Bill Jones, @Steve Sailer

    Because the intimate partners of black male intimate partner murder victims are either black women or gay men, neither of whom seem all that scary, but they still commit a surprising number of murders.

  145. @brabantian
    There is a surprisingly lower amount of killings in much of Africa, versus Latin America and American cities ... In one recent tally, the Americas (including USA) have 45 of the 50 most murderous cities in the world, the other 5 being in 'multi-cultural' post-Mandela South Africa

    One theory of the reason for the lower rate of killings in most of Africa versus USA cities, despite USA blacks being generally richer, is presented by Africans themselves:

    Africans in Africa have tended to preserve the notion that if you kill someone, that person's spirit may well haunt you and cause you great harm in life ... on the other hand, stealing their stuff, or, sadly, rape, are much lesser matters, rape and theft being common on that continent

    But these 'superstitions' have died out in blacks transplanted into the USA, much to the disadvantage of the American black community

    Replies: @Some Guy, @Jtgw, @Stan

    Or the crack police forces of Africa aren’t that keen on doing paperwork for every murder.

  146. @Hibernian
    @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder

    My impression is that White people who commit crimes against Black people are quite likely to be cops; it's very rare otherwise.

    Replies: @Danindc

    That’s what I always say. Are there any? What’s it happen every 5 years? The disparity is truly astounding.

  147. @Dan Smith
    None of the current trendy anti-racists seem to have connected the dots about gun control. That, if implemented, ghetto blacks would be disarmed and really at the mercy of all the cops trying to add notches to their weapons for every brother they kill. Just kidding folks. Guns in the Hood have nothing to do with the Second Amendment.

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic

    Good point! Guns in the hood are about as far as one can get from “a well-regulated militia.”

  148. @Alden
    @Art Deco

    Why should any White person be actually interested in the welfare of blacks; either feigned like liberals or real like Heather MacDonald?

    Billions of wasted dollars, destruction of our great cities, endless effort I really really don’t care what happens to blacks. And if MacDonald really really cares about blacks, then F’er.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Art Deco

    Why should any White person be actually interested in the welfare of blacks; either feigned like liberals or real like Heather MacDonald?

    For approximately the same reason you’re interested in the common good generally. The blacks in my home county number about 100,000. Only an odd minority are immigrants (and the Caribbean immigrants I’ve known have been pleasant people). For a typical black American, you’d have to go back seven or eight generations in his pedigree before you’d discover that half his ancestors were born elsewhere. They aren’t foreigners and they aren’t properly regarded as some sort of permanent guest-worker population. About 70% of the non-elderly and non-disabled population are living in wage-earner families, about 15% are in the salaried and small business stratum, and about 15% are lumpenproletarians. The crime problem is a function of feral youths from this last segment preying on everyone in their vicinity. Commercial development in black neighborhoods is truncated by their activities and the local schools are ruined by them. These problem neighborhoods are not on the far side of the moon and over a period of 30 years I never lived farther than 10 miles from them (not farther than 2.5 miles most years).

    • Replies: @Jtgw
    @Art Deco

    The more feral youths are locked up until they age out of their aggression, the more peaceful those communities will be and the less heavy handed the police have to be.

  149. @brabantian
    There is a surprisingly lower amount of killings in much of Africa, versus Latin America and American cities ... In one recent tally, the Americas (including USA) have 45 of the 50 most murderous cities in the world, the other 5 being in 'multi-cultural' post-Mandela South Africa

    One theory of the reason for the lower rate of killings in most of Africa versus USA cities, despite USA blacks being generally richer, is presented by Africans themselves:

    Africans in Africa have tended to preserve the notion that if you kill someone, that person's spirit may well haunt you and cause you great harm in life ... on the other hand, stealing their stuff, or, sadly, rape, are much lesser matters, rape and theft being common on that continent

    But these 'superstitions' have died out in blacks transplanted into the USA, much to the disadvantage of the American black community

    Replies: @Some Guy, @Jtgw, @Stan

    I guess your theory explains the US but not South Africa. Or did the same traditions die there too? Why?

  150. @Art Deco
    @Alden

    Why should any White person be actually interested in the welfare of blacks; either feigned like liberals or real like Heather MacDonald?

    For approximately the same reason you're interested in the common good generally. The blacks in my home county number about 100,000. Only an odd minority are immigrants (and the Caribbean immigrants I've known have been pleasant people). For a typical black American, you'd have to go back seven or eight generations in his pedigree before you'd discover that half his ancestors were born elsewhere. They aren't foreigners and they aren't properly regarded as some sort of permanent guest-worker population. About 70% of the non-elderly and non-disabled population are living in wage-earner families, about 15% are in the salaried and small business stratum, and about 15% are lumpenproletarians. The crime problem is a function of feral youths from this last segment preying on everyone in their vicinity. Commercial development in black neighborhoods is truncated by their activities and the local schools are ruined by them. These problem neighborhoods are not on the far side of the moon and over a period of 30 years I never lived farther than 10 miles from them (not farther than 2.5 miles most years).

    Replies: @Jtgw

    The more feral youths are locked up until they age out of their aggression, the more peaceful those communities will be and the less heavy handed the police have to be.

  151. @BenKenobi
    @Art Deco


    schticks
     

    orthagonal
     

    qua
     

    snookered
     

    contra
     

    Replies: @William Badwhite

    You forgot “cohort” and “No clue why..”

  152. @SunBakedSuburb
    @Dieter Kief

    I'm still unsure as to whether statistics are the present day version of reading entrails. Apparently the demiurge is quite good at sifting through the guts. He needs to use his prodigious talent with innards to determine the age at which a woman's laugh mutates into a cackle.

    Replies: @David

    Tangential to your comment, Vitruvius says that in the process of selecting the location for a new colony, the ancients used to examine the organs of local game animals to make sure the area water and forage weren’t toxic. He seems to think his contemporaries should still be doing it. So, like statistics, reading entrails might once have been a valid science.

  153. @JimDandy
    I'm more interested in other numbers. How many whites have been murdered by Blacks! since '00? How many total people have Blacks! murdered since '00? 200,000? More?

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    That’s a good question, and I think is the underlying question most people really want addressed. But it is surprisingly difficult to find any kind of definitive answer. Even the famous Color of Crime report only addresses it obliquely and only in a single sentence in the latest report:

    In 2013 … blacks were 13.6 times more likely to kill non-blacks than non-blacks were to kill blacks.
    [Color of Crime 2016]

    Looking at the FBI’s 2013 homicide table referenced in The Color of Crime, gives 409 black-on-white murders for that year, which I think is pretty typical result in this century. But, those annual FBI homicide-by-race tables typically only tabulate about 3000 homicides of whites, while the FBI’s “Expanded Homicide Data Table 1” typically shows 5000-7000 homicides of whites per year, so they’re only looking at about half of all white homicides.

    Why? Two reasons.
    1) The FBI table only considers “single-victim single-offender” homicides, so their table doesn’t include homicides like the Christian-Newsom murders or the Wichita Massacre notwithstanding that all the victims were white and all the perps were black.
    2) A lot of homicides are never solved.

    Presumably the data to resolve the first category exist in the FBI’s intake, but they don’t publish that, so far as I know. The second category is more opaque.

    If we were able to see the perps for the other half of white homicide victims, what would they look like? The simple way to answer that is simply to prorate the known figures. So instead of 400-odd black-on-white murders per year there are 800-900 black-on-white murders per year.

    A simple proration seems “fair”, but is there any reason to suppose that unsolved murders are different from solved murders? Yes, there is. The less connection there is between the murderer and the victim, the harder the crime is to solve. And “less connected” murderers and victims are less likely to be of the same race. Or in other words, unsolved murders are more likely to be interracial murders. So the missing half of murders are more likely than the solved half to be interracial murders. So 800-900 black-on-white murders per year is likely a low estimate. How low? Well, there are typically 5000-7000 white homicide victims per year. From the FBI’s “Expanded Homicide Data Table 6” referenced above, we know the racial disposition of about 3000 of them. From our naive proration, we already assigned 400-odd to the black-perp category. That leaves another 2500 or so where the perp’s race is unknown. If all of those were black, then the black-on-white total would be 3400 per year. But that’s probably too high. The unsolved portion is almost certainly not entirely interracial, though it is probably more interracial than the solved portion. So it’s probably more than 1000 but less than 3000. So maybe 1800 per year is a conservative estimate. That’s about five per day or one every four hours or so, if you want to calculate when your number will be up.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Almost Missouri

    Thanks, that's very helpful. We could, at least, add nearly all of the black homicide victims during that period (using the percentage of solved black homicides that were committed by blacks ) to the number of solved homicides with non-black victims where it was proven that the killers were black.

    , @James B. Shearer
    @Almost Missouri

    "Looking at the FBI’s 2013 homicide table referenced in The Color of Crime, gives 409 black-on-white murders for that year, which I think is pretty typical result in this century. .."

    It also gives 189 white-on-black murders for a ratio of over 2 but considerably less than 13.6.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    , @ic1000
    @Almost Missouri

    Here is a comment from Sailer's "Murderball" post back in August.

    A page at murderdata.com titled “Black murders accounted for all of America’s clearance decline” makes the point that lower clearance rates in jurisdictions where more victims are black has the effect of masking the extent to which murderers skew black.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  154. @Hibernian
    @pyrrhus


    ...there was a total of one (1) murder by whites and asians combined...
     
    So a White guy and an Asian guy teamed up to kill somebody?

    Replies: @Lurker

    I believe the police already have some suspects.

  155. @Almost Missouri
    @JimDandy

    That's a good question, and I think is the underlying question most people really want addressed. But it is surprisingly difficult to find any kind of definitive answer. Even the famous Color of Crime report only addresses it obliquely and only in a single sentence in the latest report:


    In 2013 ... blacks were 13.6 times more likely to kill non-blacks than non-blacks were to kill blacks.
    [Color of Crime 2016]
     
    Looking at the FBI's 2013 homicide table referenced in The Color of Crime, gives 409 black-on-white murders for that year, which I think is pretty typical result in this century. But, those annual FBI homicide-by-race tables typically only tabulate about 3000 homicides of whites, while the FBI's "Expanded Homicide Data Table 1" typically shows 5000-7000 homicides of whites per year, so they're only looking at about half of all white homicides.

    Why? Two reasons.
    1) The FBI table only considers "single-victim single-offender" homicides, so their table doesn't include homicides like the Christian-Newsom murders or the Wichita Massacre notwithstanding that all the victims were white and all the perps were black.
    2) A lot of homicides are never solved.

    Presumably the data to resolve the first category exist in the FBI's intake, but they don't publish that, so far as I know. The second category is more opaque.

    If we were able to see the perps for the other half of white homicide victims, what would they look like? The simple way to answer that is simply to prorate the known figures. So instead of 400-odd black-on-white murders per year there are 800-900 black-on-white murders per year.

    A simple proration seems "fair", but is there any reason to suppose that unsolved murders are different from solved murders? Yes, there is. The less connection there is between the murderer and the victim, the harder the crime is to solve. And "less connected" murderers and victims are less likely to be of the same race. Or in other words, unsolved murders are more likely to be interracial murders. So the missing half of murders are more likely than the solved half to be interracial murders. So 800-900 black-on-white murders per year is likely a low estimate. How low? Well, there are typically 5000-7000 white homicide victims per year. From the FBI's "Expanded Homicide Data Table 6" referenced above, we know the racial disposition of about 3000 of them. From our naive proration, we already assigned 400-odd to the black-perp category. That leaves another 2500 or so where the perp's race is unknown. If all of those were black, then the black-on-white total would be 3400 per year. But that's probably too high. The unsolved portion is almost certainly not entirely interracial, though it is probably more interracial than the solved portion. So it's probably more than 1000 but less than 3000. So maybe 1800 per year is a conservative estimate. That's about five per day or one every four hours or so, if you want to calculate when your number will be up.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @James B. Shearer, @ic1000

    Thanks, that’s very helpful. We could, at least, add nearly all of the black homicide victims during that period (using the percentage of solved black homicides that were committed by blacks ) to the number of solved homicides with non-black victims where it was proven that the killers were black.

  156. @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia
    It takes a White band, and a White sociologist to tell us all what we already know:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBNRPbGegPY

    You gotta keep 'em separated

    Like the latest fashion
    Like a spreading disease
    The kids are strappin' on their way to the classroom
    Getting weapons with the greatest of ease

    The gangs stake their own campus locale
    And if they catch you slippin' then it's all over pal
    If one guy's colors and the other's don't mix
    They're gonna bash it up, bash it up, bash it up, bash it up

    Hey man you talkin' back to me?
    Take him out
    You gotta keep 'em separated
    Hey man you disrespecting me?
    Take him out
    You gotta keep 'em separated
    Hey don't pay no mind
    You're under 18 you won't be doing any time
    Hey come out and play

    By the time you hear the siren
    It's already too late
    One goes to the morgue and the other to jail
    One guy's wasted and the other's a waste

    It goes down the same as the thousand before
    No one's getting smarter no one's learning the score
    Your never-ending spree of death and violence, and hate
    Is gonna tie your own rope, tie your own rope, tie your own

    Hey man you disrespecting me?
    Take him out
    You gotta keep 'em separated
    Hey man you talkin' back to me?
    Take him out
    You gotta keep 'em separated
    Hey don't pay no mind
    You're under 18 you won't be doing any time
    Hey come out and play

     

    Replies: @halfwaydecentbassline

    The singer/songwriter, Dexter Holland of the Offspring, has a PhD in Molecular Biology.

    From Wikipedia:

    “Come Out And Play”, it was about gang and school violence: “Back then I was a grad student and I was commuting to school everyday in a shitty car, driving through East L.A. Gangland central. I was there the day of the L.A. riots. So I was very aware of that part of the world, and a lot of that gun stuff came out in songs like ‘Come Out and Play’.” Inspiration for the “keep ’em separated” lyric came from Dexter Holland’s experience in a laboratory cooling Erlenmeyer flasks full of hot liquids.

    I mean, he’s no Brian May but still…

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
    @halfwaydecentbassline

    I don't know what it is w/lead singers for SoCal punk bands but the lead singers for Bad Religion (Greg Graffin) & The Descendents (Milo Aukerman) also have PhDs.

    , @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia
    @halfwaydecentbassline

    The Offspring certainly were never as successful or as big as Queen, but--as you said rightly--still --

    "Pretty Fly for a White Guy" should become a Trump anthem. Holland is about White as you can get.

    Prompted by your response, I perused the relevant Wikipedia entries.

    It's interesting to me how obviously very smart guys like May and Holland become run-of-the-mill "activists" -- May with his pretty silly campaign against fox hunting, Holland with his support of the ACLU.

    The music is still good, nonetheless.

  157. @Almost Missouri
    @JimDandy

    That's a good question, and I think is the underlying question most people really want addressed. But it is surprisingly difficult to find any kind of definitive answer. Even the famous Color of Crime report only addresses it obliquely and only in a single sentence in the latest report:


    In 2013 ... blacks were 13.6 times more likely to kill non-blacks than non-blacks were to kill blacks.
    [Color of Crime 2016]
     
    Looking at the FBI's 2013 homicide table referenced in The Color of Crime, gives 409 black-on-white murders for that year, which I think is pretty typical result in this century. But, those annual FBI homicide-by-race tables typically only tabulate about 3000 homicides of whites, while the FBI's "Expanded Homicide Data Table 1" typically shows 5000-7000 homicides of whites per year, so they're only looking at about half of all white homicides.

    Why? Two reasons.
    1) The FBI table only considers "single-victim single-offender" homicides, so their table doesn't include homicides like the Christian-Newsom murders or the Wichita Massacre notwithstanding that all the victims were white and all the perps were black.
    2) A lot of homicides are never solved.

    Presumably the data to resolve the first category exist in the FBI's intake, but they don't publish that, so far as I know. The second category is more opaque.

    If we were able to see the perps for the other half of white homicide victims, what would they look like? The simple way to answer that is simply to prorate the known figures. So instead of 400-odd black-on-white murders per year there are 800-900 black-on-white murders per year.

    A simple proration seems "fair", but is there any reason to suppose that unsolved murders are different from solved murders? Yes, there is. The less connection there is between the murderer and the victim, the harder the crime is to solve. And "less connected" murderers and victims are less likely to be of the same race. Or in other words, unsolved murders are more likely to be interracial murders. So the missing half of murders are more likely than the solved half to be interracial murders. So 800-900 black-on-white murders per year is likely a low estimate. How low? Well, there are typically 5000-7000 white homicide victims per year. From the FBI's "Expanded Homicide Data Table 6" referenced above, we know the racial disposition of about 3000 of them. From our naive proration, we already assigned 400-odd to the black-perp category. That leaves another 2500 or so where the perp's race is unknown. If all of those were black, then the black-on-white total would be 3400 per year. But that's probably too high. The unsolved portion is almost certainly not entirely interracial, though it is probably more interracial than the solved portion. So it's probably more than 1000 but less than 3000. So maybe 1800 per year is a conservative estimate. That's about five per day or one every four hours or so, if you want to calculate when your number will be up.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @James B. Shearer, @ic1000

    “Looking at the FBI’s 2013 homicide table referenced in The Color of Crime, gives 409 black-on-white murders for that year, which I think is pretty typical result in this century. ..”

    It also gives 189 white-on-black murders for a ratio of over 2 but considerably less than 13.6.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @James B. Shearer

    As unfortunately has to be continually pointed out, the FBI counts Hispanics as "white" when counting offenders. So that "189" is actually more like 113 after subtracting Hispanics, which gives a raw ratio of 3.6.

    But then you have to consider that blacks manage to outmurder whites by a factor of 3.6 while having only about 1/5 the population of whites, so their relative interracial murderiness is 3.6 × 5 = about 18 times that of whites.

    Replies: @James B. Shearer

  158. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Peter D. Bredon


    Indeed, and this is why the whole “there but for the grace of God” idea is so stupid. Liberals want us to believe that “anyone” could wind up homeless. But to be homeless it’s not enough to not have a home (which is why the euphemism is so misleading). You don’t have a home because you can’t afford it, because you have no job, because you were fired for being an asshole, and no family to help you, because you’re an asshole, and no friends to help you, because you’re an asshole.

     

    In the past, when people were more trusting and sociable, it was common to take in "down on their luck" relatives, friends, and acquaintances. Occasionally, even a stranger who you may have just met a few times. Often, very interesting situations could ensue from this...

    There used to be a lot of movies and tv sitcoms in which a family took in someone and a lot of drama ensued. Most of these plots were comical, but there were darker stories too. Stories in which an outsider tried to take over the home. Like the movie "Poison Ivy."

    Watch the trailer here.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O3cU3dODjo

    Interestingly, the above movie was semi-realistic and based on the real life experiences of the film's director. Of course, the movie is dramatized and overaccentuated somewhat, but that's to be expected in Hollywood.

    You rarely see these type of movie or tv plots these days.

    Why?

    It's because people are much more socially distant and distrusting than used to be the case. People rarely take in others these days, unless the other person is a very close relative (like a child). Strangers are NEVER taken in anymore. So the above "Poison Ivy" plot would be totally unrealistic and unrelatable these days. However, back in the early 90s (when the movie was made), stuff like that happened.

    The above also explains why nobody gives rides to hitchhikers anymore. A hitchhiker is sort of like a very temporary room mate (who shares a car with you). In a society in which no one wants to socialize or get close to others (especially strangers), hitchhiking is impossible.

    By the way, from my experience, dysfunctional Whites become a lot more crime-prone when their families kick them out. Lots of White criminals are drifter types.

    Replies: @ic1000

    > The above also explains why nobody gives rides to hitchhikers anymore.

    Singular of data: Driving on the interstate a few months ago, I passed a car stopped on the shoulder, then spotted a young man walking along. Thinking “out of gas,” I pulled over to give him a ride to the next exit.

    Turned out he had nothing to do with the car, he was heading towards his destination a couple of hundred miles away. Cheerful, talkative guy with a disjointed story of growing up in Moscow, estranged from his family after coming to the US, drug-fueled breakups with girlfriends, fights with friends and dealers both white and black… the conversation kept circling around routine, impulsive interpersonal violence.

    I stopped to let him off at a busy and well-lit truck stop, offered him $20 (he declined) and luck (he accepted).

    A Boomer, I had encountered pleasant, helpful people when hitchhiking in rural areas, back in the 1970s. I reciprocated when I got my license, but that tapered off decades ago.

    I was foolish but lucky as a young hitchhiker, very foolish and very lucky in 2020. Won’t do that again.

    • Thanks: JohnnyWalker123
    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @ic1000

    Plural of data: Like you, I've picked up some hitchhikers over the years (more than times I've hitchhiked myself—I'm in a younger cohort than you so hitchhiking was already sketchier by the time I got on the road), and like you I've found there to be a decline in verbal/mental coherence of the hitchhikers. Also an increase in body odor. I've haven't bothered now for several years.

    Last year (at Thanksgiving, as it happens), my daughter and niece travelling together picked up a hitchhiking couple with a dog at a rest stop. I guess it was spirit-of-the-season thing, but I'd being lying if I said was equanimous when I heard about it.

    And for the record, no I've never picked up a hitchhiker while I had a female in the car, so the girls didn't learn the example from me.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @ic1000


    A Boomer, I had encountered pleasant, helpful people when hitchhiking in rural areas, back in the 1970s. I reciprocated when I got my license, but that tapered off decades ago.

     

    Was ridin' along side the highway
    Rollin' up the countryside
    Thinkin' I'm the Devil's heatwave
    What you burn in your crazy mind?
    Saw a slight distraction
    Standin' by the road
    She was smilin' there, yellow in her hair
    Do you wanna? I was thinkin', would you care?
    Sweet hitch a hiker
    We could make music at the Greasy King
    Sweet hitch a hiker
    Won't you ride on my fast machine?



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VVmHbEJyHE

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Dissident
    @ic1000


    A Boomer, I had encountered pleasant, helpful people when hitchhiking in rural areas, back in the 1970s. I reciprocated when I got my license, but that tapered off decades ago.
     
    Thanks to you and Almost Missouri for the anecdotes. I wonder if either of you is familiar with the old time radio thriller The Hitch-Hiker. One of celebrated author Lucille Fletcher's most famous works, it was originally performed on Orson Welles' Mercury Theater on The Air in November 1941. Wikipedia says that,

    Welles performed The Hitch-Hiker four times on radio, and the play was adapted for a notable 1960 episode of the television series The Twilight Zone.
     
    Below are links to two versions in mp3 audio format.

    The Hitch-Hiker on Suspense!, 1942

    The Hitch-Hiker on Welles' Mercury Theater, 1946.

    There was also a 1953 film with the same title, directed by Ida Lupino.

    Incidentally, Lupino starred superbly in the 1948 Suspense! production Summer Night. Be warned, though; listening while alone at night may not be conducive to tranquility and sweet dreams...

  159. @Almost Missouri
    @JimDandy

    That's a good question, and I think is the underlying question most people really want addressed. But it is surprisingly difficult to find any kind of definitive answer. Even the famous Color of Crime report only addresses it obliquely and only in a single sentence in the latest report:


    In 2013 ... blacks were 13.6 times more likely to kill non-blacks than non-blacks were to kill blacks.
    [Color of Crime 2016]
     
    Looking at the FBI's 2013 homicide table referenced in The Color of Crime, gives 409 black-on-white murders for that year, which I think is pretty typical result in this century. But, those annual FBI homicide-by-race tables typically only tabulate about 3000 homicides of whites, while the FBI's "Expanded Homicide Data Table 1" typically shows 5000-7000 homicides of whites per year, so they're only looking at about half of all white homicides.

    Why? Two reasons.
    1) The FBI table only considers "single-victim single-offender" homicides, so their table doesn't include homicides like the Christian-Newsom murders or the Wichita Massacre notwithstanding that all the victims were white and all the perps were black.
    2) A lot of homicides are never solved.

    Presumably the data to resolve the first category exist in the FBI's intake, but they don't publish that, so far as I know. The second category is more opaque.

    If we were able to see the perps for the other half of white homicide victims, what would they look like? The simple way to answer that is simply to prorate the known figures. So instead of 400-odd black-on-white murders per year there are 800-900 black-on-white murders per year.

    A simple proration seems "fair", but is there any reason to suppose that unsolved murders are different from solved murders? Yes, there is. The less connection there is between the murderer and the victim, the harder the crime is to solve. And "less connected" murderers and victims are less likely to be of the same race. Or in other words, unsolved murders are more likely to be interracial murders. So the missing half of murders are more likely than the solved half to be interracial murders. So 800-900 black-on-white murders per year is likely a low estimate. How low? Well, there are typically 5000-7000 white homicide victims per year. From the FBI's "Expanded Homicide Data Table 6" referenced above, we know the racial disposition of about 3000 of them. From our naive proration, we already assigned 400-odd to the black-perp category. That leaves another 2500 or so where the perp's race is unknown. If all of those were black, then the black-on-white total would be 3400 per year. But that's probably too high. The unsolved portion is almost certainly not entirely interracial, though it is probably more interracial than the solved portion. So it's probably more than 1000 but less than 3000. So maybe 1800 per year is a conservative estimate. That's about five per day or one every four hours or so, if you want to calculate when your number will be up.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @James B. Shearer, @ic1000

    Here is a comment from Sailer’s “Murderball” post back in August.

    A page at murderdata.com titled “Black murders accounted for all of America’s clearance decline” makes the point that lower clearance rates in jurisdictions where more victims are black has the effect of masking the extent to which murderers skew black.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @ic1000

    Thanks for reminding me about murderdata.com, which I had used before but had forgotten about.

    Still, since muderdata.com's additional data are all of blacks murdered, it doesn't change anything I wrote above, which was concerned with answering JimDandy's question of "how many whites are killed by blacks?"

  160. Steve, the 2012 iSteve post you link at Taki’s that discusses Obama’s Chicago experiences has held up really well. Worth re-reading.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri, Kronos
    • Replies: @Kronos
    @ic1000

    I’m tempted to read Obama’s newest book just to see if he touches on it. My interest in blacks and urban real estate prices is still pretty high. But is the pain really worth it?

    https://www.amazon.com/Promised-Land-Barack-Obama/dp/1524763160/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Obama&qid=1606421438&sr=8-1

    https://youtu.be/KzvVMiXx6Ag

    Replies: @Neil Templeton

  161. @Kronos
    @Thomas

    Just buy a AK platform rifle and bulk up on cheap steel “Wolf” ammo. It’s the only option left at this point.

    https://images.guns.com/wordpress/2020/01/Kalashnikov-USA-Promises-New-KR-103-AK.jpg

    https://static-cdn.ammunitiontogo.com/media/catalog/product/cache/10/image/555x/5a329a2c0ef5d4c72612eb4bda32b426/7/0/7006f4e3123a380ba985d563cf83a1fd_4.jpg

    If anyone asks too many questions, just say your buying it for your pet Russian.

    https://youtu.be/p5L9-k0uV2A

    Replies: @Thomas

    A friend of mine in California (where of course they’ve had ammo problems of a different sort before anyone else) maintains he’s been money ahead shooting Commie steel ammo through ARs and just getting a fresh barrel every few thousand rounds. I don’t shoot enough to take the Pepsi challenge on that one, but that’s what he says.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Thomas

    I’ve heard people do that. But AKs are much better designed to handle steel ammo.

    https://www.pewpewtactical.com/brass-vs-steel-ammo/

  162. @ic1000
    @Almost Missouri

    Here is a comment from Sailer's "Murderball" post back in August.

    A page at murderdata.com titled “Black murders accounted for all of America’s clearance decline” makes the point that lower clearance rates in jurisdictions where more victims are black has the effect of masking the extent to which murderers skew black.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Thanks for reminding me about murderdata.com, which I had used before but had forgotten about.

    Still, since muderdata.com’s additional data are all of blacks murdered, it doesn’t change anything I wrote above, which was concerned with answering JimDandy‘s question of “how many whites are killed by blacks?”

  163. @ic1000
    @JohnnyWalker123

    > The above also explains why nobody gives rides to hitchhikers anymore.

    Singular of data: Driving on the interstate a few months ago, I passed a car stopped on the shoulder, then spotted a young man walking along. Thinking "out of gas," I pulled over to give him a ride to the next exit.

    Turned out he had nothing to do with the car, he was heading towards his destination a couple of hundred miles away. Cheerful, talkative guy with a disjointed story of growing up in Moscow, estranged from his family after coming to the US, drug-fueled breakups with girlfriends, fights with friends and dealers both white and black... the conversation kept circling around routine, impulsive interpersonal violence.

    I stopped to let him off at a busy and well-lit truck stop, offered him $20 (he declined) and luck (he accepted).

    A Boomer, I had encountered pleasant, helpful people when hitchhiking in rural areas, back in the 1970s. I reciprocated when I got my license, but that tapered off decades ago.

    I was foolish but lucky as a young hitchhiker, very foolish and very lucky in 2020. Won't do that again.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Reg Cæsar, @Dissident

    Plural of data: Like you, I’ve picked up some hitchhikers over the years (more than times I’ve hitchhiked myself—I’m in a younger cohort than you so hitchhiking was already sketchier by the time I got on the road), and like you I’ve found there to be a decline in verbal/mental coherence of the hitchhikers. Also an increase in body odor. I’ve haven’t bothered now for several years.

    Last year (at Thanksgiving, as it happens), my daughter and niece travelling together picked up a hitchhiking couple with a dog at a rest stop. I guess it was spirit-of-the-season thing, but I’d being lying if I said was equanimous when I heard about it.

    And for the record, no I’ve never picked up a hitchhiker while I had a female in the car, so the girls didn’t learn the example from me.

  164. @Arclight
    In my personal experience of living in a black neighborhood, part of the problem is that despite everyone knowing exactly who is doing what, no one *ever* will provide that information to the cops, and parents of these kids do not believe in turning them in for their own good or protecting the neighbohood. I had one lady down the block whose son would periodically beat the daylights out of his girlfriend right on the sidewalk, but when sirens were heard from approaching cops (undoubtedly called from behind the curtains by a white neighbor), the mother would drag them both into her house and nobody saw/heard nothing.

    The other element completely missing from the discussion although hard to ignore if you have even passing familiarity with 'the community' is that personal slights are *always* responded to with threats of violence that frequently are followed up on to preserve face. Granted, I am more familiar with the habits of lower income blacks than anyone else since I have lived in such a neighborhood and have not lived with lower income whites or Latinos, but it seems to me no one is as quick to mete out physical punishment.

    Steve makes a key observation that the progressive explanation for the astounding rates of black violence are that they turn upon each other rather than the whites that deserve it - but which is still a disconcerting explanation if you stop and think about it, since it implicitly says black violence is justified, just misdirected.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Morton's toes, @Anon, @rebel yell

    The other element completely missing from the discussion although hard to ignore if you have even passing familiarity with ‘the community’ is that personal slights are *always* responded to with threats of violence that frequently are followed up on to preserve face.

    Yes, honor culture is a big source of violence. Steven Pinker and Thomas Sowell have good discussions of this referencing the Scots-Irish, blacks, and others. Genetics and historical circumstances are causes and can reinforce each other in a vicious circle.
    The solution to this problem is to bring Matt Dillon to town and establish law and order. Long prison sentences and executions will cool down the hot head culture short term and weed out the bad genes long term.

  165. @James B. Shearer
    @Almost Missouri

    "Looking at the FBI’s 2013 homicide table referenced in The Color of Crime, gives 409 black-on-white murders for that year, which I think is pretty typical result in this century. .."

    It also gives 189 white-on-black murders for a ratio of over 2 but considerably less than 13.6.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    As unfortunately has to be continually pointed out, the FBI counts Hispanics as “white” when counting offenders. So that “189” is actually more like 113 after subtracting Hispanics, which gives a raw ratio of 3.6.

    But then you have to consider that blacks manage to outmurder whites by a factor of 3.6 while having only about 1/5 the population of whites, so their relative interracial murderiness is 3.6 × 5 = about 18 times that of whites.

    • Replies: @James B. Shearer
    @Almost Missouri

    "But then you have to consider that blacks manage to outmurder whites by a factor of 3.6 while having only about 1/5 the population of whites, so their relative interracial murderiness is 3.6 × 5 = about 18 times that of whites."

    I consider this last adjustment to be misleading propaganda since if whites and blacks murdered at random at an equal rate with this adjustment one would conclude that the relative interracial murder propensity is 5 times as high for blacks when this just reflects the fact that there are 5 times as many potential white victims. Consider if you looked at the same stats from the victims point of view then the average black would be 5 times as likely to murdered by somebody of the other race as the average white (again simply reflecting the fact that there are 5 times as many potential white murderers).

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Steve Sailer

  166. @Thomas
    @Kronos

    A friend of mine in California (where of course they've had ammo problems of a different sort before anyone else) maintains he's been money ahead shooting Commie steel ammo through ARs and just getting a fresh barrel every few thousand rounds. I don't shoot enough to take the Pepsi challenge on that one, but that's what he says.

    Replies: @Kronos

    I’ve heard people do that. But AKs are much better designed to handle steel ammo.

    https://www.pewpewtactical.com/brass-vs-steel-ammo/

  167. @brabantian
    There is a surprisingly lower amount of killings in much of Africa, versus Latin America and American cities ... In one recent tally, the Americas (including USA) have 45 of the 50 most murderous cities in the world, the other 5 being in 'multi-cultural' post-Mandela South Africa

    One theory of the reason for the lower rate of killings in most of Africa versus USA cities, despite USA blacks being generally richer, is presented by Africans themselves:

    Africans in Africa have tended to preserve the notion that if you kill someone, that person's spirit may well haunt you and cause you great harm in life ... on the other hand, stealing their stuff, or, sadly, rape, are much lesser matters, rape and theft being common on that continent

    But these 'superstitions' have died out in blacks transplanted into the USA, much to the disadvantage of the American black community

    Replies: @Some Guy, @Jtgw, @Stan

    Is it possible that there are richer non-Africans living among them have something to do with higher rate of killings in the US and South Africa?

  168. @ic1000
    Steve, the 2012 iSteve post you link at Taki's that discusses Obama's Chicago experiences has held up really well. Worth re-reading.

    Replies: @Kronos

    I’m tempted to read Obama’s newest book just to see if he touches on it. My interest in blacks and urban real estate prices is still pretty high. But is the pain really worth it?

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    @Kronos

    Posted too early my friend. No Christmas Icons/Ornaments/Music 'till after Thanksgiving. Unless Emmitt 'Till, who's entitled to year 'round season for reminisce.

    Replies: @Kronos

  169. @obwandiyag
    @JackOH

    All you bozos suffer from severe innumeracy.

    "Massive redistribution of wealth"?

    Haha. Ha.

    Peanuts.

    The real massive redistribution of wealth is from all of us to the rich.

    But of course your kind don't complain about that.

    Because you are temporarily embarrassed billionaires.

    Replies: @vinteuil

    The real massive redistribution of wealth is from all of us to the rich.

    Fallacy of the false alternative.

    The wealth of the bad-white gentile middle & working class has been redistributed to BOTH the good-white gentry AND the black no-hopers.

    Ever heard of the high/low coalition against the middle?

    It’s two mints – two mints – two mints in one!

    But of course your kind don’t complain about that.

    Jeezus, dude, we complain about the good-white gentry all the time.

    What alternative world blog are you living on?

    • Agree: JackOH
    • Replies: @JackOH
    @vinteuil

    vinteuil, spot on, your entire comment. At some point, you gotta wonder: how much more debate is needed to see the obvious? Still, I know economically displaced high-education folks who refuse to believe they're getting fucked because it's expedient for the "high/low coalition" you mention to fuck them.

    They mouth the appropriate BLM-friendly platitudes--I'm caricaturing--jive themselves that free markets will allow their talents to once again be recognized, even though their incomes have dropped from $110 thousand a year at a multinational to $30 thousand a year as a glorified payroll clerk at a local fast food chain doing some tutoring on the side through Sylvan. Fuck all.

    Happy Thanksgiving to my fellow American columnists and commenters here.

  170. @Almost Missouri
    @James B. Shearer

    As unfortunately has to be continually pointed out, the FBI counts Hispanics as "white" when counting offenders. So that "189" is actually more like 113 after subtracting Hispanics, which gives a raw ratio of 3.6.

    But then you have to consider that blacks manage to outmurder whites by a factor of 3.6 while having only about 1/5 the population of whites, so their relative interracial murderiness is 3.6 × 5 = about 18 times that of whites.

    Replies: @James B. Shearer

    “But then you have to consider that blacks manage to outmurder whites by a factor of 3.6 while having only about 1/5 the population of whites, so their relative interracial murderiness is 3.6 × 5 = about 18 times that of whites.”

    I consider this last adjustment to be misleading propaganda since if whites and blacks murdered at random at an equal rate with this adjustment one would conclude that the relative interracial murder propensity is 5 times as high for blacks when this just reflects the fact that there are 5 times as many potential white victims. Consider if you looked at the same stats from the victims point of view then the average black would be 5 times as likely to murdered by somebody of the other race as the average white (again simply reflecting the fact that there are 5 times as many potential white murderers).

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @James B. Shearer

    The only misleading propaganda is the canard that murders occur at random and therefore black violence should be excused. No other interpersonal activity (e.g., automotive collisions, sports participation, neighbor selection, dating) occurs racially at random despite massive top-down efforts to make it so, so why should homicide alone defy universal social patterns?

    If anyone really believes that murders distribute themselves at random across the population, then they also must believe that (consulting Table 6 again) that whites prefer to murder whites at about 7 times the rate they murder non-whites, that blacks prefer to murder blacks at about 34 times the rate they murder non-blacks, and that "others" (mainly Asians) prefer to murder their own at about 10 times the rate they murder non-others. If this is happening in spite of murders being randomly distributed, the entire nation must be in the grip of a heretofore undetected epidemic of racial self-hatred so strong that only a immediate, unlimitedly funded federal mandate to boost each race's affection for its own can hope to resolve it.

    Or, to expose the absurdity another way, the "Asian/others" only give about 1/3 of their murdering to whites despite whites being about 2/3 of the population, so Asians must have an enormous love for whites, right? About double of their love for blacks, who get about their population-proportional share of murdering from Asian/others, but about 10 times the Asian/other love for themselves. But this all pales in comparison to the stratospheric love that blacks have for Asians/others, to whom blacks only give a tiny 1% of their murdering to, despite Asian/others being about 12% of the population. The love of blacks for Asians is indeed legendary, the most favorable pair on the chart. ... ... ... Or maybe murders don't have a default random distribution after all ...

    Replies: @James B. Shearer

    , @Steve Sailer
    @James B. Shearer

    How often do Dalits murder Brahmins?

  171. @Bill Jones
    You really should insist on Taki's firing of the dip-shit sub-editor who came up with the headline:

    "The Numbers Don't Lie."
     
    Nothing lies better.

    Replies: @Neil Templeton

    Maybe should have been: “These numbers don’t lie.” Otherwise, a minor quibble. I’ve never wished to be an English grammar technician. Such a burden. But does it pay well?

  172. @ic1000
    @JohnnyWalker123

    > The above also explains why nobody gives rides to hitchhikers anymore.

    Singular of data: Driving on the interstate a few months ago, I passed a car stopped on the shoulder, then spotted a young man walking along. Thinking "out of gas," I pulled over to give him a ride to the next exit.

    Turned out he had nothing to do with the car, he was heading towards his destination a couple of hundred miles away. Cheerful, talkative guy with a disjointed story of growing up in Moscow, estranged from his family after coming to the US, drug-fueled breakups with girlfriends, fights with friends and dealers both white and black... the conversation kept circling around routine, impulsive interpersonal violence.

    I stopped to let him off at a busy and well-lit truck stop, offered him $20 (he declined) and luck (he accepted).

    A Boomer, I had encountered pleasant, helpful people when hitchhiking in rural areas, back in the 1970s. I reciprocated when I got my license, but that tapered off decades ago.

    I was foolish but lucky as a young hitchhiker, very foolish and very lucky in 2020. Won't do that again.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Reg Cæsar, @Dissident

    A Boomer, I had encountered pleasant, helpful people when hitchhiking in rural areas, back in the 1970s. I reciprocated when I got my license, but that tapered off decades ago.

    Was ridin’ along side the highway
    Rollin’ up the countryside
    Thinkin’ I’m the Devil’s heatwave
    What you burn in your crazy mind?
    Saw a slight distraction
    Standin’ by the road
    She was smilin’ there, yellow in her hair
    Do you wanna? I was thinkin’, would you care?
    Sweet hitch a hiker
    We could make music at the Greasy King
    Sweet hitch a hiker
    Won’t you ride on my fast machine?

    • Thanks: ic1000
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Reg Cæsar

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golliwogs


    https://alchetron.com/cdn/the-golliwogs-7f799bc5-e932-4cb8-ac08-b18c908387c-resize-750.jpeg

    http://images.45worlds.com/s/ab/the-golliwogs-fight-fire-the-complete-recordings-19641967-ab-s.jpg


    https://cars4starters.s3-accelerate.amazonaws.com/2020/01/golliwog_03.jpg


    https://www.nationalhogfarmer.com/sites/nationalhogfarmer.com/files/canceled-Richard-Villalon-SIZED-GettyImages-1126713421.jpg

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  173. @The Alarmist
    It’s all fine and good to compare black violence to white violence in the developed world, but your real control group for comparison would be blacks in Africa.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    It’s all fine and good to compare black violence to white violence in the developed world, but your real control group for comparison would be blacks in Africa.

    Alarmist, there are arguments each way, but overall i take the other side.

    I take this tack with Lynn’s world IQ data. To me the best evidence on racial/ethnic IQ variance is from the developed world where the groups have the same plentiful food, clean water, working sewage systems, the same pedagogy in well funded schools, the same medical system, obstetric procedures, vaccinations and antibiotics and such… and the same test in the same language. No control on racial/ethnic variations in culture, but the gaping environmental divergences between nations and continents are absent. Pretty straight up comparison.

    Likewise, the even more stunning racial gaps in criminality between different groups in the same nation, facing the same education system, economy, laws and policing … are “informative”.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @AnotherDad

    Noted and well reasoned. I’m sticking with the old saw, adjusted to make it less racist, you can take people out of the jungle, but you can’t take the jungle out of those people.

  174. @Kronos
    @ic1000

    I’m tempted to read Obama’s newest book just to see if he touches on it. My interest in blacks and urban real estate prices is still pretty high. But is the pain really worth it?

    https://www.amazon.com/Promised-Land-Barack-Obama/dp/1524763160/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Obama&qid=1606421438&sr=8-1

    https://youtu.be/KzvVMiXx6Ag

    Replies: @Neil Templeton

    Posted too early my friend. No Christmas Icons/Ornaments/Music ’till after Thanksgiving. Unless Emmitt ‘Till, who’s entitled to year ’round season for reminisce.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Neil Templeton

    ?

  175. To me the best evidence on racial/ethnic IQ variance is from the developed world where the groups have the same plentiful food, clean water, working sewage systems, the same pedagogy in well funded schools, the same medical system, obstetric procedures, vaccinations and antibiotics and such… and the same test in the same language. No control on racial/ethnic variations in culture, but the gaping environmental divergences between nations and continents are absent. Pretty straight up comparison.

    You’re decades behind the times. Don’t you know that it’s because of proximity to Whitey that blacks fail? It’s a pity the two races are glued to each other, or we could have separate nations. But blacks just can’t get away from whites, despite their valiant attempts at black flight over the years.

  176. @vinteuil
    @obwandiyag


    The real massive redistribution of wealth is from all of us to the rich.
     
    Fallacy of the false alternative.

    The wealth of the bad-white gentile middle & working class has been redistributed to BOTH the good-white gentry AND the black no-hopers.

    Ever heard of the high/low coalition against the middle?

    It's two mints - two mints - two mints in one!

    But of course your kind don’t complain about that.
     
    Jeezus, dude, we complain about the good-white gentry all the time.

    What alternative world blog are you living on?

    Replies: @JackOH

    vinteuil, spot on, your entire comment. At some point, you gotta wonder: how much more debate is needed to see the obvious? Still, I know economically displaced high-education folks who refuse to believe they’re getting fucked because it’s expedient for the “high/low coalition” you mention to fuck them.

    They mouth the appropriate BLM-friendly platitudes–I’m caricaturing–jive themselves that free markets will allow their talents to once again be recognized, even though their incomes have dropped from $110 thousand a year at a multinational to $30 thousand a year as a glorified payroll clerk at a local fast food chain doing some tutoring on the side through Sylvan. Fuck all.

    Happy Thanksgiving to my fellow American columnists and commenters here.

    • Thanks: vinteuil
  177. @AnotherDad
    @Art Deco


    Gentry liberals are indifferent to the actual welfare of blacks, as are black chauvinists. Everything said and done consists of status games or expanding the trade in political patronage.
     
    Well said Art.

    Those BLM yard signs--as is obvious both from the neighborhoods and what's on the signs themselves--have nothing to do with blacks, and everything to do with those whites virtue signaling their superiority to deplorable--i.e. in touch with reality--white people like me.

    As i walk my neighborhood, i'm building a list of who has put up such signs, so if the the shit really hits the fan, i'll know whom i should kill and eat.

    Replies: @gcochran, @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race

    those whites virtue signaling their superiority to deplorable–i.e. in touch with reality

    It’s so unfortunate that Hillary’s nasty words are immortalized by white people. The fact is is that “deplorable” is never good, even if you mean by now a certain group of white people. Maybe it was an easy way to describe what used to be called ‘the lightly possessed’, and the ‘well-possessed’ have always condescended to the ‘lightly possessed’. Although I know that by ‘deplorable’ you also mean some whites who are very well-possessed.

    I hate the BLM signs on my block too, but I wouldn’t eat the Jews that put them there–no matter what they did or posed as doing–I am WHITE GENTILE KOSHER, but I am NOT a DEPLORABLE . I don’t identify with this term ‘deplorable’ even if many of you find it the thing to do. In a subtle way, it actually makes Hillary look as if she’d said something accurate. Maybe it’s just easier, but I think it makes the group you’re talking about look a bit stupid (and some of them are.) Seems to me you’re letting those very virtue-signalling whites determine some of the narrative that should not be their prerogative.

  178. @Reg Cæsar
    @ic1000


    A Boomer, I had encountered pleasant, helpful people when hitchhiking in rural areas, back in the 1970s. I reciprocated when I got my license, but that tapered off decades ago.

     

    Was ridin' along side the highway
    Rollin' up the countryside
    Thinkin' I'm the Devil's heatwave
    What you burn in your crazy mind?
    Saw a slight distraction
    Standin' by the road
    She was smilin' there, yellow in her hair
    Do you wanna? I was thinkin', would you care?
    Sweet hitch a hiker
    We could make music at the Greasy King
    Sweet hitch a hiker
    Won't you ride on my fast machine?



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VVmHbEJyHE

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    • LOL: Kronos
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Reg Cæsar

    In one of the Noddy books (Here Comes Noddy Again), the golliwogs actually do carjack Noddy.

    https://i.postimg.cc/Kc3Sh25f/noddy.jpg

  179. @AndrewR
    @Harry Baldwin

    Probably.

    I made the mistake of dating a black girl years ago. She seemed chill and non-ghetto until one evening she shoved me after I told her to leave my house after she insulted me. I wasn't even in her way. The shove was 100% gratuitous. Then she returned soon after because she had allegedly left her phone in my house. Given the completely unexpected and unnecessary violence she had previously inflicted, it's needless to say that I wasn't happy about her being in my house still, amd I had no idea what she might do. I debated grabbing my shotgun but I opted to call 911 just to cover my ass.

    I said to the dispatcher "there is an intruder in my house who just assaulted me but if she leaves right now I will hang up." Then this girl proceeded to punch me in the face. I am not making this up. After hitting me with her purse a few times, she left and I told the dispatcher where she was headed (she was on foot). The cops brought her back swiftly (it's a wealthy town with little crime and a lot of cops) and asked if I wanted to press charges. I said I didn't know but I wanted her locked up for the night. They said they wouldn't do that. By the way, I had witnesses (besides the dispatcher) and I don't even think she denied hitting me. I couldn't believe it.

    I ended up not pressing charges. In retrospect I should have raised hell about the worthless cops. The incident also put me on the city's radar in a way that was unpleasant for me, but that's another story.

    In conclusion: NEVER date blacks and NEVER trust cops or any government leeched.

    Replies: @Rob McX, @duncsbaby, @Sam Malone

    You should’ve pressed charges if you wanted her arrested. Don’t be mad at the cops for doing their job.
    You definitely learned your lesson about dating a black girl but not about calling the cops. I understand why you did call the cops but if you aren’t going to press charges for the assault, it’s hardly their fault for not arresting the offender.

  180. @Welked Joni
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Black Men are just more manly

    Is it any wonder why white girls crave their touch and seed?

    Black Men have been abused by whiteness so long that it has made them tough

    That's why they are such good soldiers athletes fathers husbands and are the future

    Replies: @Bert, @Anon, @duncsbaby

    Black Men have been abused by whiteness so long that it has made them tough
    That’s why they are such good soldiers athletes fathers husbands and are the future

    Hey one out of four ain’t bad.

    • LOL: Rob McX
  181. @Thomas
    @Jack D


    Insane/violent white people tend to remove themselves from the gene pool. Insane/violent blacks propagate their genes far and wide.
     
    It would probably be more accurate to say that white women have generally kept insane/violent men out of the gene pool while black women generally have not.

    There's a recent mystery here in Seattle of a young white woman from Everett who was found in a lake with her shoelaces around her neck. You have to read 20 paragraphs into this story to find out that the poor girl may have paid a particular "toll."

    https://projects.seattletimes.com/2020/undetermined-autumn-stone-death/

    Replies: @duncsbaby

    How does a suicide end up under water with shoelaces tied around her neck?

  182. @halfwaydecentbassline
    @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    The singer/songwriter, Dexter Holland of the Offspring, has a PhD in Molecular Biology.

    From Wikipedia:

    "Come Out And Play", it was about gang and school violence: "Back then I was a grad student and I was commuting to school everyday in a shitty car, driving through East L.A. Gangland central. I was there the day of the L.A. riots. So I was very aware of that part of the world, and a lot of that gun stuff came out in songs like 'Come Out and Play'." Inspiration for the "keep 'em separated" lyric came from Dexter Holland's experience in a laboratory cooling Erlenmeyer flasks full of hot liquids.

    I mean, he's no Brian May but still...

    Replies: @duncsbaby, @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    I don’t know what it is w/lead singers for SoCal punk bands but the lead singers for Bad Religion (Greg Graffin) & The Descendents (Milo Aukerman) also have PhDs.

  183. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Sean

    Thanks. Though I'm willing to bet that even if you adjust for testosterone, Blacks are much more violent than Whites. Much more into trash talking and confrontation.

    High-T White men often do stuff like MMA, shooting guns at the range, bodybuilding, and modding cars. Typically, they don't fight other random High-T White men. Though back in the old days, they used to get into lots of bar brawl. Not anymore though.

    Replies: @Feryl

    The average white person is about twenty years older than the average black person. Most whites were born in the 50’s and 60’s. The 90’s baby boom had lots of blacks and Mestizos.

    The white community in most areas is far too old to cause much trouble these days.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Feryl

    The average white person is about twenty years older than the average black person.

    Median age for blacks is `~34.8 years. For non-hispanic whites, is ~42.6 years. Some of that is attributable to lower life expectancy among blacks.

    Replies: @Feryl

    , @Art Deco
    @Feryl

    The white community in most areas is far too old to cause much trouble these days.

    I take it you fancy 'most' whites are now resident in apartment complexes which cater to geriatrics.

  184. @AnotherDad
    @The Alarmist


    It’s all fine and good to compare black violence to white violence in the developed world, but your real control group for comparison would be blacks in Africa.
     
    Alarmist, there are arguments each way, but overall i take the other side.

    I take this tack with Lynn's world IQ data. To me the best evidence on racial/ethnic IQ variance is from the developed world where the groups have the same plentiful food, clean water, working sewage systems, the same pedagogy in well funded schools, the same medical system, obstetric procedures, vaccinations and antibiotics and such... and the same test in the same language. No control on racial/ethnic variations in culture, but the gaping environmental divergences between nations and continents are absent. Pretty straight up comparison.

    Likewise, the even more stunning racial gaps in criminality between different groups in the same nation, facing the same education system, economy, laws and policing ... are "informative".

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    Noted and well reasoned. I’m sticking with the old saw, adjusted to make it less racist, you can take people out of the jungle, but you can’t take the jungle out of those people.

  185. @Feryl
    @JohnnyWalker123

    The average white person is about twenty years older than the average black person. Most whites were born in the 50's and 60's. The 90's baby boom had lots of blacks and Mestizos.

    The white community in most areas is far too old to cause much trouble these days.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Art Deco

    The average white person is about twenty years older than the average black person.

    Median age for blacks is `~34.8 years. For non-hispanic whites, is ~42.6 years. Some of that is attributable to lower life expectancy among blacks.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    @Art Deco

    My memory failed me, but that 8 year gap is still massively influential to crime differences (the white communty has been aging out of mischief since the late 80's, as the peak white birth rate occurred in 1957, and white births as a % of each cohort have dramatically declined since the early 70's).

    Replies: @Art Deco

  186. @Feryl
    @JohnnyWalker123

    The average white person is about twenty years older than the average black person. Most whites were born in the 50's and 60's. The 90's baby boom had lots of blacks and Mestizos.

    The white community in most areas is far too old to cause much trouble these days.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Art Deco

    The white community in most areas is far too old to cause much trouble these days.

    I take it you fancy ‘most’ whites are now resident in apartment complexes which cater to geriatrics.

  187. @halfwaydecentbassline
    @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    The singer/songwriter, Dexter Holland of the Offspring, has a PhD in Molecular Biology.

    From Wikipedia:

    "Come Out And Play", it was about gang and school violence: "Back then I was a grad student and I was commuting to school everyday in a shitty car, driving through East L.A. Gangland central. I was there the day of the L.A. riots. So I was very aware of that part of the world, and a lot of that gun stuff came out in songs like 'Come Out and Play'." Inspiration for the "keep 'em separated" lyric came from Dexter Holland's experience in a laboratory cooling Erlenmeyer flasks full of hot liquids.

    I mean, he's no Brian May but still...

    Replies: @duncsbaby, @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    The Offspring certainly were never as successful or as big as Queen, but–as you said rightly–still —

    “Pretty Fly for a White Guy” should become a Trump anthem. Holland is about White as you can get.

    Prompted by your response, I perused the relevant Wikipedia entries.

    It’s interesting to me how obviously very smart guys like May and Holland become run-of-the-mill “activists” — May with his pretty silly campaign against fox hunting, Holland with his support of the ACLU.

    The music is still good, nonetheless.

  188. @Neil Templeton
    @Kronos

    Posted too early my friend. No Christmas Icons/Ornaments/Music 'till after Thanksgiving. Unless Emmitt 'Till, who's entitled to year 'round season for reminisce.

    Replies: @Kronos

    ?

  189. @AndrewR
    @Harry Baldwin

    Probably.

    I made the mistake of dating a black girl years ago. She seemed chill and non-ghetto until one evening she shoved me after I told her to leave my house after she insulted me. I wasn't even in her way. The shove was 100% gratuitous. Then she returned soon after because she had allegedly left her phone in my house. Given the completely unexpected and unnecessary violence she had previously inflicted, it's needless to say that I wasn't happy about her being in my house still, amd I had no idea what she might do. I debated grabbing my shotgun but I opted to call 911 just to cover my ass.

    I said to the dispatcher "there is an intruder in my house who just assaulted me but if she leaves right now I will hang up." Then this girl proceeded to punch me in the face. I am not making this up. After hitting me with her purse a few times, she left and I told the dispatcher where she was headed (she was on foot). The cops brought her back swiftly (it's a wealthy town with little crime and a lot of cops) and asked if I wanted to press charges. I said I didn't know but I wanted her locked up for the night. They said they wouldn't do that. By the way, I had witnesses (besides the dispatcher) and I don't even think she denied hitting me. I couldn't believe it.

    I ended up not pressing charges. In retrospect I should have raised hell about the worthless cops. The incident also put me on the city's radar in a way that was unpleasant for me, but that's another story.

    In conclusion: NEVER date blacks and NEVER trust cops or any government leeched.

    Replies: @Rob McX, @duncsbaby, @Sam Malone

    Do you mean the incident put you on the radar of the city’s cops or other officials, or on the radar of her local negro friends? Did anything happen?

  190. @James B. Shearer
    @Almost Missouri

    "But then you have to consider that blacks manage to outmurder whites by a factor of 3.6 while having only about 1/5 the population of whites, so their relative interracial murderiness is 3.6 × 5 = about 18 times that of whites."

    I consider this last adjustment to be misleading propaganda since if whites and blacks murdered at random at an equal rate with this adjustment one would conclude that the relative interracial murder propensity is 5 times as high for blacks when this just reflects the fact that there are 5 times as many potential white victims. Consider if you looked at the same stats from the victims point of view then the average black would be 5 times as likely to murdered by somebody of the other race as the average white (again simply reflecting the fact that there are 5 times as many potential white murderers).

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Steve Sailer

    The only misleading propaganda is the canard that murders occur at random and therefore black violence should be excused. No other interpersonal activity (e.g., automotive collisions, sports participation, neighbor selection, dating) occurs racially at random despite massive top-down efforts to make it so, so why should homicide alone defy universal social patterns?

    If anyone really believes that murders distribute themselves at random across the population, then they also must believe that (consulting Table 6 again) that whites prefer to murder whites at about 7 times the rate they murder non-whites, that blacks prefer to murder blacks at about 34 times the rate they murder non-blacks, and that “others” (mainly Asians) prefer to murder their own at about 10 times the rate they murder non-others. If this is happening in spite of murders being randomly distributed, the entire nation must be in the grip of a heretofore undetected epidemic of racial self-hatred so strong that only a immediate, unlimitedly funded federal mandate to boost each race’s affection for its own can hope to resolve it.

    Or, to expose the absurdity another way, the “Asian/others” only give about 1/3 of their murdering to whites despite whites being about 2/3 of the population, so Asians must have an enormous love for whites, right? About double of their love for blacks, who get about their population-proportional share of murdering from Asian/others, but about 10 times the Asian/other love for themselves. But this all pales in comparison to the stratospheric love that blacks have for Asians/others, to whom blacks only give a tiny 1% of their murdering to, despite Asian/others being about 12% of the population. The love of blacks for Asians is indeed legendary, the most favorable pair on the chart. … … … Or maybe murders don’t have a default random distribution after all …

    • Replies: @James B. Shearer
    @Almost Missouri

    "The only misleading propaganda is the canard that murders occur at random and therefore black violence should be excused. .."

    I didn't say murders were random, I was giving a hypothetical example to attempt to show that the adjustment is misleading.

    Suppose we assume the ratio of 3.6 black murders of whites to white murders of blacks. Then if there are 5 times as many whites as blacks if we adjust from the victims point of view the average white is only 3.6/5 or .72 times as likely to murdered by a black as the average black is to be murdered by a white. But this would be misleading in the opposite direction. 3.6 is the relevant ratio.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  191. @Almost Missouri
    @James B. Shearer

    The only misleading propaganda is the canard that murders occur at random and therefore black violence should be excused. No other interpersonal activity (e.g., automotive collisions, sports participation, neighbor selection, dating) occurs racially at random despite massive top-down efforts to make it so, so why should homicide alone defy universal social patterns?

    If anyone really believes that murders distribute themselves at random across the population, then they also must believe that (consulting Table 6 again) that whites prefer to murder whites at about 7 times the rate they murder non-whites, that blacks prefer to murder blacks at about 34 times the rate they murder non-blacks, and that "others" (mainly Asians) prefer to murder their own at about 10 times the rate they murder non-others. If this is happening in spite of murders being randomly distributed, the entire nation must be in the grip of a heretofore undetected epidemic of racial self-hatred so strong that only a immediate, unlimitedly funded federal mandate to boost each race's affection for its own can hope to resolve it.

    Or, to expose the absurdity another way, the "Asian/others" only give about 1/3 of their murdering to whites despite whites being about 2/3 of the population, so Asians must have an enormous love for whites, right? About double of their love for blacks, who get about their population-proportional share of murdering from Asian/others, but about 10 times the Asian/other love for themselves. But this all pales in comparison to the stratospheric love that blacks have for Asians/others, to whom blacks only give a tiny 1% of their murdering to, despite Asian/others being about 12% of the population. The love of blacks for Asians is indeed legendary, the most favorable pair on the chart. ... ... ... Or maybe murders don't have a default random distribution after all ...

    Replies: @James B. Shearer

    “The only misleading propaganda is the canard that murders occur at random and therefore black violence should be excused. ..”

    I didn’t say murders were random, I was giving a hypothetical example to attempt to show that the adjustment is misleading.

    Suppose we assume the ratio of 3.6 black murders of whites to white murders of blacks. Then if there are 5 times as many whites as blacks if we adjust from the victims point of view the average white is only 3.6/5 or .72 times as likely to murdered by a black as the average black is to be murdered by a white. But this would be misleading in the opposite direction. 3.6 is the relevant ratio.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @James B. Shearer


    I didn’t say murders were random, I was giving a hypothetical example to attempt to show that the adjustment is misleading.
     
    That entire argument is predicated on murders occurring at random. You can't base an argument on an assumption and then disavow the assumption and expect the argument to remain.

    Consider the opposite assumption: that the races are hermetically sealed from one another and that interracial murders can only occur when someone deliberately sets out to penetrate the barrier in order to murder a different race. While this assumption is not true, it is not so far from the truth as the random hypothesis. The strong segregation shown in, for example, racial dot maps, could never occur in a random world, but is explained pretty well by racial self-segregation. So if you want a simple default hypothesis to compare reality to, the 100% segregation hypothesis works much better than the 100% random hypothesis. And in that segregated world, all interracial murders are racial antipathy. And it is no secret who does the most interracial murdering, despite a severe manpower shortage.

    Then if there are 5 times as many whites as blacks if we adjust from the victims point of view the average white is only 3.6/5 or .72 times as likely to murdered by a black as the average black is to be murdered by a white. But this would be misleading in the opposite direction. 3.6 is the relevant ratio.
     
    I'm not sure what the point of this is. It sounds like a restatement of the randomness hypothesis. If you want to go random, a simpler supposition is to ignore the race of the victim. Assume you are a random person of unknown race. Who is most likely to murder you? Blacks who do almost half of the murdering despite being only about an eighth of the population [murderiness score = 1/2 ÷ 1/8 = 4]? Or the other 7/8 of the population who do the other half of the murdering [murderiness score = 1/2 ÷ 7/8 = 0.6]? Four vs. 0.6: choose your company accordingly. ("Cut your chance of getting killed by 85% with this one weird trick!")

    Replies: @James B. Shearer

  192. @James B. Shearer
    @Almost Missouri

    "But then you have to consider that blacks manage to outmurder whites by a factor of 3.6 while having only about 1/5 the population of whites, so their relative interracial murderiness is 3.6 × 5 = about 18 times that of whites."

    I consider this last adjustment to be misleading propaganda since if whites and blacks murdered at random at an equal rate with this adjustment one would conclude that the relative interracial murder propensity is 5 times as high for blacks when this just reflects the fact that there are 5 times as many potential white victims. Consider if you looked at the same stats from the victims point of view then the average black would be 5 times as likely to murdered by somebody of the other race as the average white (again simply reflecting the fact that there are 5 times as many potential white murderers).

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Steve Sailer

    How often do Dalits murder Brahmins?

  193. This is surprising. If one thought this phenomenon was about availability or firearms. London statistics on ethnic background of persons proceeded against for knife crimes.

    https://www.met.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/foi-media/metropolitan-police/disclosure_2019/february_2019/information-rights-unit—ethnicity-of-perpetrators-and-victims-of-knife-crime-in-london-from-april-2008-to-november-2018

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Anon55uu

    Link not working, nor is it recorded at archive.is nor archive.org. Maybe there is an error in the URL?

    Replies: @Anon55uu

  194. @YetAnotherAnon
    @JohnnyWalker123

    "White “hardened criminals” usually are isolated loners who terrorize their extended families."

    Except among the Travellers/Gypsies, whether Irish or Romany (and possibly the Romanian Roma, too), where they are beloved patriarchs, as seen by their huge funerals.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Johnson_Gang

    (this doesn't mention the guy who died on one of their sites, at Andoversford IIRC, in suspicious circumstances)

    "Out of curiosity, are there any White neighborhoods left in which young men struggle to determine who’s the “baddest” alpha male on the block?"

    Still happens in places like Liverpool, Glasgow and Manchester. Often the families have Irish roots. Who controls the streets controls the drug trade.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_firms_(organised_crime)#British_crime_firms

    Replies: @James Speaks, @Romanian

    Except among the Travellers/Gypsies, whether Irish or Romany (and possibly the Romanian Roma, too), where they are beloved patriarchs, as seen by their huge funerals.

    A noted Roma gangster was stabbed recently during a poker game (Emi the Piano). He ran one of the main “interloper clans”, as we call them, of Bucharest. They had a huge funeral for him, attended by a lot of other gangsters from other “clans”, as well as the local gypsy population, which was curious to see the show, maybe get some handouts. The Gendermerie could not enforce any social distancing or limitations, so they settled for preventing fights and intrusions by rival gangs. The general population ridiculed them as state-paid bodyguards for mobsters. Meanwhile, a friend was not able to have a decent funeral for his dead mom (cancer).

    This is a news story about it

    This is manele (Balkan Gypsy music with an oriental flair) singer The Golden Child singing at the head of the dead guy (warning, you see the dead guy). The women wailing in time with the breaks in the song made me laugh.

    The liberals assure me that, with proper schooling, their kids will pay our pensions.

    • Thanks: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Romanian

    I thought Romania had shipped its Gypsies to the UK and Canada?

    Replies: @Romanian

    , @Rob McX
    @Romanian


    The liberals assure me that, with proper schooling, their kids will pay our pensions.
     
    Even Ceaușescu's terrifying social programmes couldn't engineer their transition from pocket-picking to pension-paying, so Romania can't hope for much progress in that sphere today, with the EU and the European Court of Human Rights breathing down its neck.

    BTW, thanks for the info and the insights on the situation.

  195. @Romanian
    @YetAnotherAnon


    Except among the Travellers/Gypsies, whether Irish or Romany (and possibly the Romanian Roma, too), where they are beloved patriarchs, as seen by their huge funerals.
     
    A noted Roma gangster was stabbed recently during a poker game (Emi the Piano). He ran one of the main "interloper clans", as we call them, of Bucharest. They had a huge funeral for him, attended by a lot of other gangsters from other "clans", as well as the local gypsy population, which was curious to see the show, maybe get some handouts. The Gendermerie could not enforce any social distancing or limitations, so they settled for preventing fights and intrusions by rival gangs. The general population ridiculed them as state-paid bodyguards for mobsters. Meanwhile, a friend was not able to have a decent funeral for his dead mom (cancer).

    This is a news story about it

    https://youtu.be/ujcV_1QLfHY

    This is manele (Balkan Gypsy music with an oriental flair) singer The Golden Child singing at the head of the dead guy (warning, you see the dead guy). The women wailing in time with the breaks in the song made me laugh.

    https://youtu.be/ieTaCobPwuA

    The liberals assure me that, with proper schooling, their kids will pay our pensions.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Rob McX

    I thought Romania had shipped its Gypsies to the UK and Canada?

    • Replies: @Romanian
    @Almost Missouri

    Quite a lot of these gangsters are actually part of international crime rings (untaxed cigarettes, people trafficking, prostitution, drugs). Many have left, but I doubt they have left for good, since they are cunning enough to know that, should the West ever be inclined to kick them out, they need a safe place to return to.

    We do not exactly ship them, because we lack the tools to do so, as a milquetoast liberal state. Even the extraordinary powers the Communists had could not get them to do more than give up the nomadic lifestyle. They move on their own, like so many, unfortunately, of my fellow co-ethnics, given freedom of mobility in the EU. I do not know what Canada has to do with it, since we still need a visa to go there so they can presumably weed out Gypsies. Maybe they are coming from Hungary or Slovakia, which have substantial populations (larger percentage-wise than in Romania) and may have different visa regimes. I know that some Gypsies went to the US as refugees claiming persecution in Romania (which was laughable given the predatory relationship they have with us).

    Certainly, the UK, Spain, Italy, France and Germany became targets.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  196. @Anon55uu
    This is surprising. If one thought this phenomenon was about availability or firearms. London statistics on ethnic background of persons proceeded against for knife crimes.

    https://www.met.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/foi-media/metropolitan-police/disclosure_2019/february_2019/information-rights-unit---ethnicity-of-perpetrators-and-victims-of-knife-crime-in-london-from-april-2008-to-november-2018

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Link not working, nor is it recorded at archive.is nor archive.org. Maybe there is an error in the URL?

    • Replies: @Anon55uu
    @Almost Missouri

    Wow they took it down. Old Holborn has tweeted it, which probably attracted attention.

  197. @Almost Missouri
    @Romanian

    I thought Romania had shipped its Gypsies to the UK and Canada?

    Replies: @Romanian

    Quite a lot of these gangsters are actually part of international crime rings (untaxed cigarettes, people trafficking, prostitution, drugs). Many have left, but I doubt they have left for good, since they are cunning enough to know that, should the West ever be inclined to kick them out, they need a safe place to return to.

    We do not exactly ship them, because we lack the tools to do so, as a milquetoast liberal state. Even the extraordinary powers the Communists had could not get them to do more than give up the nomadic lifestyle. They move on their own, like so many, unfortunately, of my fellow co-ethnics, given freedom of mobility in the EU. I do not know what Canada has to do with it, since we still need a visa to go there so they can presumably weed out Gypsies. Maybe they are coming from Hungary or Slovakia, which have substantial populations (larger percentage-wise than in Romania) and may have different visa regimes. I know that some Gypsies went to the US as refugees claiming persecution in Romania (which was laughable given the predatory relationship they have with us).

    Certainly, the UK, Spain, Italy, France and Germany became targets.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Romanian

    Thanks for your informative reply.


    I do not know what Canada has to do with it
     
    I was thinking of this kind of thing:

    https://apnews.com/article/d047c295714c4a7ca9f6f8018feffde3

    By the way, here is Steve sixteen years ago, noticing the likely results of EU expansion and gypsies:

    https://vdare.com/articles/a-gypsy-is-haunting-europe
  198. @Romanian
    @YetAnotherAnon


    Except among the Travellers/Gypsies, whether Irish or Romany (and possibly the Romanian Roma, too), where they are beloved patriarchs, as seen by their huge funerals.
     
    A noted Roma gangster was stabbed recently during a poker game (Emi the Piano). He ran one of the main "interloper clans", as we call them, of Bucharest. They had a huge funeral for him, attended by a lot of other gangsters from other "clans", as well as the local gypsy population, which was curious to see the show, maybe get some handouts. The Gendermerie could not enforce any social distancing or limitations, so they settled for preventing fights and intrusions by rival gangs. The general population ridiculed them as state-paid bodyguards for mobsters. Meanwhile, a friend was not able to have a decent funeral for his dead mom (cancer).

    This is a news story about it

    https://youtu.be/ujcV_1QLfHY

    This is manele (Balkan Gypsy music with an oriental flair) singer The Golden Child singing at the head of the dead guy (warning, you see the dead guy). The women wailing in time with the breaks in the song made me laugh.

    https://youtu.be/ieTaCobPwuA

    The liberals assure me that, with proper schooling, their kids will pay our pensions.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Rob McX

    The liberals assure me that, with proper schooling, their kids will pay our pensions.

    Even Ceaușescu’s terrifying social programmes couldn’t engineer their transition from pocket-picking to pension-paying, so Romania can’t hope for much progress in that sphere today, with the EU and the European Court of Human Rights breathing down its neck.

    BTW, thanks for the info and the insights on the situation.

  199. @James B. Shearer
    @Almost Missouri

    "The only misleading propaganda is the canard that murders occur at random and therefore black violence should be excused. .."

    I didn't say murders were random, I was giving a hypothetical example to attempt to show that the adjustment is misleading.

    Suppose we assume the ratio of 3.6 black murders of whites to white murders of blacks. Then if there are 5 times as many whites as blacks if we adjust from the victims point of view the average white is only 3.6/5 or .72 times as likely to murdered by a black as the average black is to be murdered by a white. But this would be misleading in the opposite direction. 3.6 is the relevant ratio.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    I didn’t say murders were random, I was giving a hypothetical example to attempt to show that the adjustment is misleading.

    That entire argument is predicated on murders occurring at random. You can’t base an argument on an assumption and then disavow the assumption and expect the argument to remain.

    Consider the opposite assumption: that the races are hermetically sealed from one another and that interracial murders can only occur when someone deliberately sets out to penetrate the barrier in order to murder a different race. While this assumption is not true, it is not so far from the truth as the random hypothesis. The strong segregation shown in, for example, racial dot maps, could never occur in a random world, but is explained pretty well by racial self-segregation. So if you want a simple default hypothesis to compare reality to, the 100% segregation hypothesis works much better than the 100% random hypothesis. And in that segregated world, all interracial murders are racial antipathy. And it is no secret who does the most interracial murdering, despite a severe manpower shortage.

    Then if there are 5 times as many whites as blacks if we adjust from the victims point of view the average white is only 3.6/5 or .72 times as likely to murdered by a black as the average black is to be murdered by a white. But this would be misleading in the opposite direction. 3.6 is the relevant ratio.

    I’m not sure what the point of this is. It sounds like a restatement of the randomness hypothesis. If you want to go random, a simpler supposition is to ignore the race of the victim. Assume you are a random person of unknown race. Who is most likely to murder you? Blacks who do almost half of the murdering despite being only about an eighth of the population [murderiness score = 1/2 ÷ 1/8 = 4]? Or the other 7/8 of the population who do the other half of the murdering [murderiness score = 1/2 ÷ 7/8 = 0.6]? Four vs. 0.6: choose your company accordingly. (“Cut your chance of getting killed by 85% with this one weird trick!”)

    • Replies: @James B. Shearer
    @Almost Missouri

    "Consider the opposite assumption .."

    Okay, you have a point, with your model an adjustment is justified. So I will give a more realistic model in which an adjustment is not justified.

    Suppose blacks and whites largely live in separate worlds but there is some contact along the borders where murders can occur. So for example a white and black can be neighbors or co-workers or in a sexual relationship. In each case there is a chance one will murder the other. If all inter-racial murders came from these sorts of contacts and there were 3.6 as many cases as blacks murdering whites as whites murdering blacks then on average in any particular pairing the white is at 3.6 times the risk of the black of being murdered by the other party. This seems like the relevant ratio. Now note if there are 5 times as many whites as blacks then the average black have 5 times as many as these inter-racial contacts which can produce murders as the average white. This makes the average black 5 times as likely to be involved in an inter-racial murder than the average white. But this just reflects more opportunities not a greater propensity.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  200. @Romanian
    @Almost Missouri

    Quite a lot of these gangsters are actually part of international crime rings (untaxed cigarettes, people trafficking, prostitution, drugs). Many have left, but I doubt they have left for good, since they are cunning enough to know that, should the West ever be inclined to kick them out, they need a safe place to return to.

    We do not exactly ship them, because we lack the tools to do so, as a milquetoast liberal state. Even the extraordinary powers the Communists had could not get them to do more than give up the nomadic lifestyle. They move on their own, like so many, unfortunately, of my fellow co-ethnics, given freedom of mobility in the EU. I do not know what Canada has to do with it, since we still need a visa to go there so they can presumably weed out Gypsies. Maybe they are coming from Hungary or Slovakia, which have substantial populations (larger percentage-wise than in Romania) and may have different visa regimes. I know that some Gypsies went to the US as refugees claiming persecution in Romania (which was laughable given the predatory relationship they have with us).

    Certainly, the UK, Spain, Italy, France and Germany became targets.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Thanks for your informative reply.

    I do not know what Canada has to do with it

    I was thinking of this kind of thing:

    https://apnews.com/article/d047c295714c4a7ca9f6f8018feffde3

    By the way, here is Steve sixteen years ago, noticing the likely results of EU expansion and gypsies:

    https://vdare.com/articles/a-gypsy-is-haunting-europe

  201. @Almost Missouri
    @James B. Shearer


    I didn’t say murders were random, I was giving a hypothetical example to attempt to show that the adjustment is misleading.
     
    That entire argument is predicated on murders occurring at random. You can't base an argument on an assumption and then disavow the assumption and expect the argument to remain.

    Consider the opposite assumption: that the races are hermetically sealed from one another and that interracial murders can only occur when someone deliberately sets out to penetrate the barrier in order to murder a different race. While this assumption is not true, it is not so far from the truth as the random hypothesis. The strong segregation shown in, for example, racial dot maps, could never occur in a random world, but is explained pretty well by racial self-segregation. So if you want a simple default hypothesis to compare reality to, the 100% segregation hypothesis works much better than the 100% random hypothesis. And in that segregated world, all interracial murders are racial antipathy. And it is no secret who does the most interracial murdering, despite a severe manpower shortage.

    Then if there are 5 times as many whites as blacks if we adjust from the victims point of view the average white is only 3.6/5 or .72 times as likely to murdered by a black as the average black is to be murdered by a white. But this would be misleading in the opposite direction. 3.6 is the relevant ratio.
     
    I'm not sure what the point of this is. It sounds like a restatement of the randomness hypothesis. If you want to go random, a simpler supposition is to ignore the race of the victim. Assume you are a random person of unknown race. Who is most likely to murder you? Blacks who do almost half of the murdering despite being only about an eighth of the population [murderiness score = 1/2 ÷ 1/8 = 4]? Or the other 7/8 of the population who do the other half of the murdering [murderiness score = 1/2 ÷ 7/8 = 0.6]? Four vs. 0.6: choose your company accordingly. ("Cut your chance of getting killed by 85% with this one weird trick!")

    Replies: @James B. Shearer

    “Consider the opposite assumption ..”

    Okay, you have a point, with your model an adjustment is justified. So I will give a more realistic model in which an adjustment is not justified.

    Suppose blacks and whites largely live in separate worlds but there is some contact along the borders where murders can occur. So for example a white and black can be neighbors or co-workers or in a sexual relationship. In each case there is a chance one will murder the other. If all inter-racial murders came from these sorts of contacts and there were 3.6 as many cases as blacks murdering whites as whites murdering blacks then on average in any particular pairing the white is at 3.6 times the risk of the black of being murdered by the other party. This seems like the relevant ratio. Now note if there are 5 times as many whites as blacks then the average black have 5 times as many as these inter-racial contacts which can produce murders as the average white. This makes the average black 5 times as likely to be involved in an inter-racial murder than the average white. But this just reflects more opportunities not a greater propensity.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @James B. Shearer

    If it were really about "opportunities not propensity", then that argument would go both ways. If because of population proportions, the average black would be 5 times as likely to murder a white as a black, then the average black would also be 5 times as likely to be murdered by a white as a black. So in the moral calculus of someone using that argument, a white murdering a black would only count 1/5 as much as a black murdering a white or else you are only using half the argument.

  202. @annonymous
    It's really simple if not publishable any place but here: ghetto blacks are far stupider than whites. Consequently they make very bad decisions. Giving them free stuff--the lib solution--only worsens the problem. Enacting stricter discipline--the conservative soluton--only makes them crazier if somewhat less inclined to take out their furies on whites.

    Short of nuclear war, destroying all ghettos in a single night but with collateral damage, I can think of NO feasible solution. Returning them to the paradise of the savannas and the sustenance of the hunter-gatherer lifestyle they are clearly re-enacting in our cities, is a fantasy.

    just buy guns and know how to use them.

    Replies: @cronkitsche

    There have been feasible solutions to comparable problems in our lifetime. East Germany closed its borders with walls and guardposts to prevent emigration/escape. Hungary, Bulgaria, and Greece erected fences and increased border forces to prevent immigration/invasion. With evermore comprehensive surveillance/enforcement programs an imminent threat to White people, we have limited time left in which to contain the dangerous districts in our continental empire. There is immense opposition in the empire to solutions to the problem of black violence, but refusing to acknowledge feasible solutions only strengthens the opposition.

  203. @James B. Shearer
    @Almost Missouri

    "Consider the opposite assumption .."

    Okay, you have a point, with your model an adjustment is justified. So I will give a more realistic model in which an adjustment is not justified.

    Suppose blacks and whites largely live in separate worlds but there is some contact along the borders where murders can occur. So for example a white and black can be neighbors or co-workers or in a sexual relationship. In each case there is a chance one will murder the other. If all inter-racial murders came from these sorts of contacts and there were 3.6 as many cases as blacks murdering whites as whites murdering blacks then on average in any particular pairing the white is at 3.6 times the risk of the black of being murdered by the other party. This seems like the relevant ratio. Now note if there are 5 times as many whites as blacks then the average black have 5 times as many as these inter-racial contacts which can produce murders as the average white. This makes the average black 5 times as likely to be involved in an inter-racial murder than the average white. But this just reflects more opportunities not a greater propensity.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    If it were really about “opportunities not propensity”, then that argument would go both ways. If because of population proportions, the average black would be 5 times as likely to murder a white as a black, then the average black would also be 5 times as likely to be murdered by a white as a black. So in the moral calculus of someone using that argument, a white murdering a black would only count 1/5 as much as a black murdering a white or else you are only using half the argument.

  204. @Almost Missouri
    @Anon55uu

    Link not working, nor is it recorded at archive.is nor archive.org. Maybe there is an error in the URL?

    Replies: @Anon55uu

    Wow they took it down. Old Holborn has tweeted it, which probably attracted attention.

  205. @Art Deco
    @Feryl

    The average white person is about twenty years older than the average black person.

    Median age for blacks is `~34.8 years. For non-hispanic whites, is ~42.6 years. Some of that is attributable to lower life expectancy among blacks.

    Replies: @Feryl

    My memory failed me, but that 8 year gap is still massively influential to crime differences (the white communty has been aging out of mischief since the late 80’s, as the peak white birth rate occurred in 1957, and white births as a % of each cohort have dramatically declined since the early 70’s).

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Feryl

    My memory failed me, but that 8 year gap is still massively influential to crime differences

    In New York, the mean age of the convict population is 38.8 years. NB, in the United States at large, the mean time served for those remanded to state prisons in a given year is 30 months; New York is more circumspect with imprisonment than are other states but features longer sentences - mean time served is north of 36 months. IOW, the mean age of a person so remanded is about 34 years. People whose criminality is sufficiently promiscuous and severe that they land in prison are not peculiarly young.

    Replies: @Feryl

  206. @Feryl
    @Art Deco

    My memory failed me, but that 8 year gap is still massively influential to crime differences (the white communty has been aging out of mischief since the late 80's, as the peak white birth rate occurred in 1957, and white births as a % of each cohort have dramatically declined since the early 70's).

    Replies: @Art Deco

    My memory failed me, but that 8 year gap is still massively influential to crime differences

    In New York, the mean age of the convict population is 38.8 years. NB, in the United States at large, the mean time served for those remanded to state prisons in a given year is 30 months; New York is more circumspect with imprisonment than are other states but features longer sentences – mean time served is north of 36 months. IOW, the mean age of a person so remanded is about 34 years. People whose criminality is sufficiently promiscuous and severe that they land in prison are not peculiarly young.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    @Art Deco

    The all time peak in the murder rate (1980) coincides with the massive youth glut of the late 70's and early 80's (again, the biggest Boom cohorts were born in the mid- late 50's).

    I stand by my conviction that we are too old to have another 1970's/1980's wave of wildness (things were really bad back then, every mid to large sized metro area had many forcible rapes and murders every year relative to other eras, and it was common knowledge that large swaths of the inner city were no go zones at night esp for young females travelling alone).

    Also, these convicts you're talking bout are seasoned criminal sociopaths. A pathologcal minority of people dont quickly age out of crime, but what happened to all those young thugs of the 70's/80's? More than you might think went on to have normal careers and families. Look at the sixties counter culture; the real nuts died young or went to prison, but the others went onto boring normal stuff eventually.

  207. @ic1000
    @JohnnyWalker123

    > The above also explains why nobody gives rides to hitchhikers anymore.

    Singular of data: Driving on the interstate a few months ago, I passed a car stopped on the shoulder, then spotted a young man walking along. Thinking "out of gas," I pulled over to give him a ride to the next exit.

    Turned out he had nothing to do with the car, he was heading towards his destination a couple of hundred miles away. Cheerful, talkative guy with a disjointed story of growing up in Moscow, estranged from his family after coming to the US, drug-fueled breakups with girlfriends, fights with friends and dealers both white and black... the conversation kept circling around routine, impulsive interpersonal violence.

    I stopped to let him off at a busy and well-lit truck stop, offered him $20 (he declined) and luck (he accepted).

    A Boomer, I had encountered pleasant, helpful people when hitchhiking in rural areas, back in the 1970s. I reciprocated when I got my license, but that tapered off decades ago.

    I was foolish but lucky as a young hitchhiker, very foolish and very lucky in 2020. Won't do that again.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Reg Cæsar, @Dissident

    A Boomer, I had encountered pleasant, helpful people when hitchhiking in rural areas, back in the 1970s. I reciprocated when I got my license, but that tapered off decades ago.

    Thanks to you and Almost Missouri for the anecdotes. I wonder if either of you is familiar with the old time radio thriller The Hitch-Hiker. One of celebrated author Lucille Fletcher’s most famous works, it was originally performed on Orson Welles’ Mercury Theater on The Air in November 1941. Wikipedia says that,

    Welles performed The Hitch-Hiker four times on radio, and the play was adapted for a notable 1960 episode of the television series The Twilight Zone.

    Below are links to two versions in mp3 audio format.

    The Hitch-Hiker on Suspense!, 1942

    The Hitch-Hiker on Welles’ Mercury Theater, 1946.

    There was also a 1953 film with the same title, directed by Ida Lupino.

    Incidentally, Lupino starred superbly in the 1948 Suspense! production Summer Night. Be warned, though; listening while alone at night may not be conducive to tranquility and sweet dreams…

  208. @Art Deco
    @Feryl

    My memory failed me, but that 8 year gap is still massively influential to crime differences

    In New York, the mean age of the convict population is 38.8 years. NB, in the United States at large, the mean time served for those remanded to state prisons in a given year is 30 months; New York is more circumspect with imprisonment than are other states but features longer sentences - mean time served is north of 36 months. IOW, the mean age of a person so remanded is about 34 years. People whose criminality is sufficiently promiscuous and severe that they land in prison are not peculiarly young.

    Replies: @Feryl

    The all time peak in the murder rate (1980) coincides with the massive youth glut of the late 70’s and early 80’s (again, the biggest Boom cohorts were born in the mid- late 50’s).

    I stand by my conviction that we are too old to have another 1970’s/1980’s wave of wildness (things were really bad back then, every mid to large sized metro area had many forcible rapes and murders every year relative to other eras, and it was common knowledge that large swaths of the inner city were no go zones at night esp for young females travelling alone).

    Also, these convicts you’re talking bout are seasoned criminal sociopaths. A pathologcal minority of people dont quickly age out of crime, but what happened to all those young thugs of the 70’s/80’s? More than you might think went on to have normal careers and families. Look at the sixties counter culture; the real nuts died young or went to prison, but the others went onto boring normal stuff eventually.

  209. @Reg Cæsar
    @Reg Cæsar

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golliwogs


    https://alchetron.com/cdn/the-golliwogs-7f799bc5-e932-4cb8-ac08-b18c908387c-resize-750.jpeg

    http://images.45worlds.com/s/ab/the-golliwogs-fight-fire-the-complete-recordings-19641967-ab-s.jpg


    https://cars4starters.s3-accelerate.amazonaws.com/2020/01/golliwog_03.jpg


    https://www.nationalhogfarmer.com/sites/nationalhogfarmer.com/files/canceled-Richard-Villalon-SIZED-GettyImages-1126713421.jpg

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    In one of the Noddy books (Here Comes Noddy Again), the golliwogs actually do carjack Noddy.

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