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From my new column in Taki’s Magazine:

What’s Your Type?
by Steve Sailer

July 18, 2018

… Ever since the Starbucks bathroom crisis in April, America has been going through a media moral panic in which a white man (or, more often, a white woman) who commits a Type I error at the expense of a black person may be fired and permanently keelhauled in the press. …

It’s particularly noteworthy that white women are the designated villains in many of these media morality plays. You might think that in the #MeToo era, women’s worries about their personal security would be viewed at least somewhat sympathetically.

Instead, white women are finding themselves pretty far down the intersectional totem pole. For instance, The New York Times has printed the racial slur “Becky” three times over the past five weeks while demeaning white women.

 
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  1. Is belief in ‘White Privilege’ a kind of society-wide, mega Type I error?

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    No. I think it's silly to say that white privilege doesn't exist.

    The left's dishonesty is not in shining a light on white privilege; it's in denying the existence of other forms of racial privilege, specifically Jewish privilege (with help from conservatives) and black privilege. Just like male privilege coexists with female privilege (which leftists tend to deny), white privilege coexists with other types of racial privilege.
  2. “Becky” as in Rebecca? A biblical name, isn’t it? So not just racist but conceivably anti-semitic? Surely there must be some (non-absurd) white-girl names that are not of Jewish origin? Do you have no Fionas in the US? Or Æthelflæds? You must have Heidis.

    • Replies: @Muse
    Around here, shorthand slurs in high school for white racial archetypes are Chad and Stacey, but it is pretty waspy in these parts.
    , @TelfoedJohn
    'Becks' is slang in London for North London Jews, presumably because of the amount of Rebeccas. Here's the comedian Peter Cook on the becks:
    http://stabbers.truth.posiweb.net/stabbers/audio/rainbow/Pete_%20Cook_+_Battling%20Becks_+_The_Rainbow_Tapes_+_wwwDOTstabbersDOTorg.mp3
    , @njguy73

    “Becky” as in Rebecca? A biblical name, isn’t it? So not just racist but conceivably anti-semitic? Surely there must be some (non-absurd) white-girl names that are not of Jewish origin? Do you have no Fionas in the US? Or Æthelflæds? You must have Heidis.

     

    I take it you're not familiar with how hip-hop, starting with Sir Mix-A-Lot's 1992 hit "Baby Got Back," has cast "Becky" as a synonym for "basic White girl."

    Anyone want to help out here?
    , @CCR
    Fiona and Heidi are extremely rare names these days in the U.S., as are Jane, Sally, and Veronica.
    , @Jack D
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/entertainthis/2016/04/27/what-does-becky-mean-heres-history-behind-beyoncs-lemonade-lyric-sparked-firestorm/83555996/

    Becky ain't Jewish (though some of the type I victims have been) - being Jewish doesn't insulate you any more than being female.
    , @AndrewR
    The first Heidi that comes to mind for me is Beirich, who is most assuredly of the tribe.
    , @PiltdownMan
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JphDdGV2TU
    , @Anonymouse
    Becky as in Becky Harper, Tom Sawyer's blonde heartthrob in Mark Twain's novel, you sillies.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    Becky: (noun); a white woman who uses her privilege as a weapon, a ladder or an excuse. Ex: “A random Becky hit me up on Twitter to explain why not all white women are racist.”

    https://www.theroot.com/the-five-types-of-becky-1798543210
    , @Karl
    2 dearieme > A biblical name, isn’t it?

    cream rises to the top, doesn't it?
    , @Prof. Woland
    During ww2 every country had a stereotypical name for its people given by others. Russians were all Ivan's, the Brits were Tommy's, the Germans Fritz's and Fritizies, etc. Jews where Rebecca's and something else for the men (cannot remember). I don't think that was ever shortened to Becky however.
    , @Forbes
    It's shorthand for a white girl/woman--so of course it's racialist.

    It's only slightly different from the Irish referring to a lass as Sheila (Sheilagh, Shelagh, sp?)
    , @Hibernian
    Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm.
    , @Anon
    Becky vs Blacky.

    Funny thing is most of these Beckys are Libs and Progs themselves.

    Usually, their sin is not doing bad things to blacks but noticing bad things done by blacks. In some cases, they do blow the whistle on innocent blacks.

    Progs are in a bind. They talk the talk but don't walk the walk. They prefer whitopias, the SWPL world. But in that world, they like to talk about how much they love black people. But their community was created apart from(if not outright against) blacks. They like blacks as symbols not so much as reality. Still, they wouldn't mind being with blacks who live up to the symbolism of Magic Negro-ness.

    But in order for blacks to behave and act clean-cut(like Obama) when they enter the white community, they must follow certain rules and manners. Some blacks know this. Obama, being half-white and having grown with whites, knew all about how the white world operates.

    But some blacks who enter the white world don't know and tend to act black. In such cases, their manners must be corrected. Only then can they go from black reality to black 'symbolity'. As with B.F. Skinner's behaviorism, blacks must be sent a message time and again. If they act badly, they must be alerted and corrected. They must be conditioned to live up to black 'symbolity' that white folks prefer. And blacks without a clue must be under beck-and-call to finally get it. Left to their own devices, blacks tend to LTGTR. No Call, blacks roll.

    For us, this is good. Let white progs be shamed into not blowing the whistle on bad black behavior. Prog yuppie communities will go the way of public schools that couldn't suspend bad black students. Progopolises will crumble. Mass incarceration and rise of gentrified communities(and return to safety) led many 'good whites' into believing that black crime isn't an issue. Even though the New Policy of tough law enforcement and mass incarceration was the product of out-of-control black crime, the Narrative swept that under the rug. So, the 'good whites' who grew up in affluence and safety got the impression that the world is safe and there is NO good reason to get be tough with black behavior.

    This is what happens when enough white idiots confuse black symbols for black reality. They miss the point that the Magic Negro is a therapeutic symbol created to shield white people from black reality. Being naive(or stupid), they think the symbol is real, therefore those who see black reality must be deluded. In fact, those who conflate symbol for reality are the deluded ones.
    , @Anonymous
    "Fiona" is much more common in the UK than in the US, where it is almost, not completely, unknown.

    "Heidi' is almost stereotypically German or Swiss. In German it has a certain ring though, and is in the chorus of the German ( but not specifically Nazi) drinking and marching song Ein Heller und ein Batzen.


    Ein Heller und ein Batzen, die waren beide mein
    Der Heller ward zu Wasser, der Batzen ward zu Wein


    Chorus
    Heidi, heido, heida,

    heidi, heido, heida, heidi, heido, heida, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
     

    From Wikipedia:

    Ein Heller und ein Batzen was frequently sung by the German troops occupying Europe during the Second World War, to the extent that the populations of German occupied countries (notably in France and Poland), designated it under the name “Heidi, heido, heida” (based on the refrain) and mistakenly equated it with National Socialism and Nazism, despite its simple, apolitical nature.

    Even today ignorance of German culture and language has led to a variety of misinterpretations of the piece, which often sparks controversy when played outside Germany.

    This was the case when the German heavy metal band Accept incorporated the melody in the song Fast as a Shark in their fourth album Restless and Wild, and will be the subject of a real trial of intention of a part of the French specialized music press.

    The melody was also taken up in 2005 by the German singer Heino in his album Das Beste Zum Jubiläum.

    This song does not fall under Article 86a of the German Criminal Code, which prohibits the dissemination of signs of unconstitutional organizations, as the case of Horst-Wessel-Lied. The Luftwaffenmusikkorps 4 der Bundeswehr Hamburg, music of the Luftwaffe (Air Force of the Bundeswehr), based in Hamburg, has even included it in its repertoire.
     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iwb2uPvfW0

    "Heidi" is also the first name of the disgusting Heidi Beirich, which should cause the name to be used much less in the future.

    , @JimB
    Don't overthink. The name Rebecca entered into popular American consciousness in 1903 with the Kate Douglas Wiggin classic book for girls, Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm, which has maintained its popularity with young white girls despite a half century of attempts at woke deconstruction of children's literature.

    Rebecca has been portrayed on the silver screen by Mary Pickford and Shirley Temple, hence the association of the name with a pretty, fresh-faced white female.

  3. Obama goes anti-SJW?

    • Replies: @Rapparee
    I saw him give a speech back in 2005; he criticized the ethnic self-segregation of minority college students even then. This sort of thing seems to have been a pet peeve of his for a while.

    It's also worth remembering, as Chris Rock pointed out, that Mr. Obama's a pretty white guy himself by some standards.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    I will off myself when Obama publicly declares that people are allowed to have thoughts, ideas, ideals or beliefs that are different than his.
    , @res

    Obama goes anti-SJW?
     
    Nah, probably just finally realizing he and the SJWs overstepped and going back to his oh so reasonable 2008 election rhetoric updated a bit for the current year. Now that it does not matter what he does. Crusader Obama will be back either post-election or once he again feels the battle is in the bag.
    , @Forbes
    Load it into the TelePrompTer and Obama reads it--just words. Obama is just a blank slate (or a ghost) on which to superimpose your own thoughts and views. He didn't govern on the basis of much he declared were his beliefs beforehand. or afterward as these remarks reflect.
  4. “It’s particularly noteworthy that white women are the designated villains in many of these media morality plays.”

    It is somewhat amusing to watch the revolution devour its daughters. May it take all the most devout ones, and then make the rest reconsider whether their interests are best served by the coalition of the fringes.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @Flip
    Maybe white women will decide they need white men after all.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson

    It is somewhat amusing to watch the revolution devour its daughters. May it take all the most devout ones, and then make the rest reconsider whether their interests are best served by the coalition of the fringes.
     
    Let us hope. From your keyboard to God's ears.
  5. Type I errors are fascists/authoritarian/law-and-order and type II are leftist.

  6. @dearieme
    "Becky" as in Rebecca? A biblical name, isn't it? So not just racist but conceivably anti-semitic? Surely there must be some (non-absurd) white-girl names that are not of Jewish origin? Do you have no Fionas in the US? Or Æthelflæds? You must have Heidis.

    Around here, shorthand slurs in high school for white racial archetypes are Chad and Stacey, but it is pretty waspy in these parts.

  7. @dearieme
    "Becky" as in Rebecca? A biblical name, isn't it? So not just racist but conceivably anti-semitic? Surely there must be some (non-absurd) white-girl names that are not of Jewish origin? Do you have no Fionas in the US? Or Æthelflæds? You must have Heidis.

    ‘Becks’ is slang in London for North London Jews, presumably because of the amount of Rebeccas. Here’s the comedian Peter Cook on the becks:

    • Replies: @Anon
    Is it "the Becks" or "Becks"?

    What is the singular? "A Beck"?

    Is there an adjectival usage? "Beckish"
  8. Ach, there goes Steve again with his persnickety “noticing”, and his erudite references.

    BTW-I heard something on the radio this weekend that seemed at first extraordinary to me. Whites commit suicide at a higher rate than Blacks, something like a factor of 2.5. Explanations were offered, one by a Black woman who said something that astounded me, and I’ll try to get the wording as closely as I can from memory:

    Blacks are conditioned to believe the causes of their problems lie outside themselves.

    I tried to find a reference for the show (Radiolab?) but wasn’t successful. The implication was left hanging, I think, that Blacks blame others for their failures, and therefore have less reason to off themselves.

    Is there anyone who knows about the Black-White suicide disparity and what it may mean?

    • Replies: @res

    Is there anyone who knows about the Black-White suicide disparity and what it may mean?
     
    There is a fair amount written on this if you look around. From May: http://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/2679556/comparison-rates-firearm-nonfirearm-homicide-suicide-black-white-non-hispanic

    Results:
    During the 9-year study period, 84 113 homicides and 251 772 suicides occurred. Black–white differences in rates of firearm homicide and suicide varied widely across states. Relative to white men, black men had between 9 and 57 additional firearm homicides per 100 000 per year, with black men in Missouri, Michigan, Illinois, Indiana, and Pennsylvania having more than 40 additional firearm homicides per 100 000 per year. White men had between 2 fewer and 16 more firearm suicides per 100 000 per year, with the largest inequalities observed in southern and western states and the smallest in the District of Columbia and densely populated northeastern states.
     
    Note for those who want to remain maximally woke. Those non-Narrative compliant facts were followed within a week by a new spin: https://www.nimh.nih.gov/news/science-news/2018/age-related-racial-disparity-in-suicide-rates-among-us-youth.shtml

    New research suggests the suicide rate is roughly two times higher for black children ages 5-12 compared with white children of the same age group.
     
    Though reading down a little further we see:

    In contrast, the rate of suicide for black adolescents was half that of white adolescents; these results held when the data were analyzed by sex.
     
    In case anyone thinks I am being overly cynical, try searching for (without quotes) "black white suicide disparity" and see which of those fairly symmetrical facts earns the headlines.
    , @anecdeedy
    Blacks are less neurotic (prone to negative emotion) than whites. On the flip side, East Asians are more neurotic than whites. Rushton discusses this in his Rule of 3 in Race, Evolution and Behavior. It makes sense that less neurotic people would commit less suicide.
    , @Ragno
    I once opined that when blacks get suicidally depressed, they kill you, and feel 100% better about themselves directly afterwards. I think I was joking, but these days who can tell?
  9. Hoping that this one will gain some media traction, but doubting that this will be the case because . . . Harvard:

    https://nypost.com/2018/07/16/video-shows-harvard-research-head-condescending-woman-biracial-child/

    I particularly enjoyed the preemptive grovelling: “I want to be accountable for my actions in a situation where I fell far short of my values and what I expect of myself,” Lund said. “This clearly wasn’t my best moment, and I have work to do to more consistently be my best self.”

    • Replies: @Forbes
    Textbook definition of self-abnegation...
    , @Almost Missouri
    Recent white woman coinages I could do without:

    "be my best self"
     
    Possibly the Becky-est four words of the decade.

    Meaning: usually either a blanket defense against accusation or a blanket excuse for self indulgence.
  10. Anonymous[391] • Disclaimer says:

    99% of the people I speak with never stop to think that the MSM are picking and choosing which stories they want to publicize, and that in a country of 330 million people they’ll have no trouble finding a new story every day in support of Approved Narratives.

    ETA: OK, now I read the full article and that’s the very point Steve made. What can I tell you, the man’s a genius.

    • Replies: @res

    in a country of 330 million people they’ll have no trouble finding a new story every day in support of Approved Narratives.
     
    It is amazing how even given that it seems to be incredibly hard to find Narrative compliant stories that hold up under any kind of close inspection.
  11. In our brave new society, white people are not allowed to be exasperated or concerned by the actions of anyone who doesn’t look like them…but they are not allowed to remove themselves from the situation either (like moving to suburbs largely devoid of certain minority groups) or impose their preferences in areas they move to in increasing numbers (like gentrifying urban neighborhoods).

    Many white people do not concern themselves with racial issues one way or another in their daily life, much to the frustration of the left. But as more and more become aware – dare I saw woke – to the idea that their would-be political masters expect them to meekly submit to the primacy of the cultural and economic preferences of blacks and latinos, the slow erosion of white support for the left will become a landslide. This will of course be treated at prima facie evidence of white supremacy/racism, not a natural reaction of a group to the reality that continuing to divide its vote means its elimination as a political force that must be reckoned with.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    In our brave new society, white people are not allowed to be exasperated or concerned by the actions of anyone who doesn’t look like them…
     
    I remember when opposition to "racism" meant that we shouldn't judge people based on the color of their skin. The idea was that White norms were actually just universal norms of civility, and furthermore that it was "racist" to deny this! Ergo, nothing about our schools, communities, workplaces, churches, etc. would ever have to change.

    With that narrative, it becomes very difficult to resist integration on a small scale, or even on a large scale via the abolition of borders. That's why the Boomer hate is, I think often overblown. They were duped and outmaneuvered.

    50 years of Aliskyite agitation later, and we've come to the point where it is racist to affirm that White norms are universal and expect others to honor them. Whether this was inevitable from the beginning I don't know.
    , @RadicalCenter
    Superb comment. I’ll add that Plain old physical elimination is what we will face on current trends, not just political elimination.
  12. For too long whites have not been held accountable for their bad behavior.

    What seems like “discriminaction” to you is simply People of Color and allowing es saying “enough” and calling out poor actions

    Consider that whites but a treasonous person in the White House. There is oncovertabble evidence of collusion and Russian interference. whites have proven that they are traitors to America

    The very fact that conservative whites are not gearing up for war tells you something

    • LOL: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Prof. Woland
    Truer words have never been quacked.
  13. The heart of the matter: “It’s particularly noteworthy that white women are the designated villains in many of these media morality plays. You might think that in the #MeToo era, women’s worries about their personal security would be viewed at least somewhat sympathetically.

    Instead, white women are finding themselves pretty far down the intersectional totem pole. For instance, The New York Times has printed the racial slur “Becky” three times over the past five weeks while demeaning white women.”

    Many years ago, in partial frustration, I told a small of PhD students girls, each of them decidedly Leftist, each one determined to damn white men for all the problems they could see in black America (they were not looking at the world) that they better make good use of their being temporarily seen as poor, innocent victims of people like me, because at some point, if we were not to roll, back the insanities of the Left’s affirmative action type making blacks a sacred cow race of eternal innocent victims, that white women would become the target too, because, as every black man knew, the target was not the penis, but the white race. And not simply skin pigmentation but the cultural history.

    • Replies: @JackOH
    " . . . [T]he target was not the penis, but the white race. And not simply skin pigmentation but the cultural history."

    Jake, I'm afraid you're right, at least in my judgment. The whole edifice of Euro-American "Whiteness" (for want of a better term) is at risk from "Blackitude". Learning and discernment of all sorts, decorum in manner, speech, and deportment, achievement in the sciences and engineering, English literature, and on and on.

    Your comment had me thinking of the truly pathetic legacy White guy in a 90% Black and Hispanic Eastern city who is wealthy enough and still too important to be ignored to be allowed to pop up from time to time to deliver important-sounding talks about the peopling of his area in the 1600s. Does he really believe anyone gives a damn?
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    Agree.
  14. But thinking statistically is hard. The distinction between Type I and Type II errors was only invented by Jerzy Neyman and Egon Pearson between the Wars. (And we still need a better mnemonic name than Type I/Type II.)

    You did mention the better name for those errors – false positives and false negatives.

    • Agree: res
    • Replies: @Pat Boyle
    I don't think we need another name. When I taught statistics I always used the real terms. There are only a few concepts in first semester statistics but the "Neyman-Pearson Lemma" is one of them. If you take stat in some benighted sociology department the text will save the ears of the poor little dears from all that terribly upsetting math terminology.

    Last week here I recommended that everyone make Algebra I twice. The same is true for statistics.
    , @SFG
    I'm late to the party, but has anyone thought that this is basically the situation with false rape accusations? The easier it is to prosecute (or punish) a true rape (or harassment) accusation, the easier it is to prosecute a false one. And when it's he said, she said, the Anglo-Saxon presumption of innocence is a mere nuisance to the feminist. So the net effect is to shift risk from women to men in relationships...pushing the situation after the sexual revolution back to an equilibrium of more long-term relationships desired by women, but with all the risk of ostracism and social sanction borne by men instead of women.

    Men aren't organized *as men*. I wonder what it would take to change that. There's the manosphere, but it's generally not political. You have a couple of guys like Roosh at Return of Kings who try to be, but I have my doubts going to monarchy is going to do much or be palatable to a country with no history of it.

    Thoughts welcome.
  15. anonymous[117] • Disclaimer says:

    I assumed that this “White Woman Calls Police…” reporting trend was simply this year’s version of Burning Black Churches, intended to excite the Black voters in advance of the mid-term elections.

    Perhaps I’m getting too cynical?

    • Replies: @Forbes
    Likely, not cynical enough. Ferguson, Freddie Gray, et al., along with BLM has lost its cache, so stir up black women to vote with stories of Becky calling the cops on their kids, etc...
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Anonymous, Twice a day in Chicago the press could write "Another black shot and killed by a fellow black." The same story could run every day in Baltimore and every third day in Cleveland, but these are "Dog bites man" stories. The "Becky" stories are actually "Man bites dog" but the MSM wants you to think they are "Dog bites man." Repeat a lie often enough...
    , @Carbon blob
    If that's so, a lot of journalists will face a brutal reckoning with the relationship between low-end immigration and the economy. It's going to be hilarious to watch.


    https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-immigration-dogma-damaging-african-american-communities-opinion-1026181
  16. Did your neighbor get arrested? If not he had one up on Henry Louis Gates.

  17. • Replies: @SonOfStrom
    Ah, but they were GAY men (at least one of them anyway). Interesting Intersectional Pokemon Points calculation.
    , @Sleep
    My deepest sympathies go out to this man and his coworker, both fired for doing their job. A photocopy of a coupon is never legitimate, and I've had to call the police twice myself in similar situations in my career in retail. But i have never gotten fired, nor did i worry about consequences, because neither of these customers were black.
  18. @dearieme
    "Becky" as in Rebecca? A biblical name, isn't it? So not just racist but conceivably anti-semitic? Surely there must be some (non-absurd) white-girl names that are not of Jewish origin? Do you have no Fionas in the US? Or Æthelflæds? You must have Heidis.

    “Becky” as in Rebecca? A biblical name, isn’t it? So not just racist but conceivably anti-semitic? Surely there must be some (non-absurd) white-girl names that are not of Jewish origin? Do you have no Fionas in the US? Or Æthelflæds? You must have Heidis.

    I take it you’re not familiar with how hip-hop, starting with Sir Mix-A-Lot’s 1992 hit “Baby Got Back,” has cast “Becky” as a synonym for “basic White girl.”

    Anyone want to help out here?

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    Beyonce made the term "Becky" a big thing.
    BTW whatever happened to Mix a Lot? Guy was a genius.
    "But Fonda ain't got a motor in the back of her Honda." Indeed.
    , @Lot
    I think Sir Mix a Lot was a one time thing, and Becky as a slur started about 5 years ago through social media.

    The most famous Becky on TV was from Roseanne, and the character is a mostly-cheerful and pretty all-American blonde. Since Roseanne never left syndication the whole time, it was another source of the association between the name and a pretty white girl.

    I doubt I had a single Becky or Rebecca in any of my mostly WWC schooling. By the 80s-born cohorts the name had lost favor outside maybe of Jewish areas.
    , @CCZ
    The Root tells us all that we need to know about black racism and the term Becky.

    Becky: (noun); a white woman who uses her privilege as a weapon, a ladder or an excuse. What started as a controversial term for fellatio has blossomed into an all-encompassing term for a specific class of white women.

    https://www.theroot.com/the-five-types-of-becky-1798543210
     
    An example of using the word in a sentence: "Tiny Duck was probably rejected by every Becky that he ever met."
  19. http://brendalleffler.com/about.html

    The Brenda L. Leffler you mentioned is married to Janee Harteau. Harteau was the first lesbian police chief of Minneapolis. She was ostensibly fired, by Mayor Betsy Hodges, for the way she handled the Justine Diamond/Mohamad Noor issue. She was replaced by a Mexican man.

    http://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-police-chief-janee-harteau-resigns/435864713/

    [Btw, here is the best quote from that article: Nekima Levy-Pounds, a civil rights attorney who is also running for mayor, said Harteau needed to step down in the aftermath of several unnecessary police shootings during her tenure. She also called Harteau a hypocrite for seeming to treat Noor differently from white officers who have killed unarmed citizens in the past.”]

  20. This disconnect from reality could be what finally snaps White folks out of their daze. If Adam Bloom asks a White woman for her ID, which he apparently did many times, no one cares, the woman shows her ID. Only a black gets crazy about it. The three young blacks who were confronted by the hausfrau, didn’t belong in the pool and were actually harassing the lady as she escorted them out. They claimed a “friend” invited them, but they would never have left if this friend existed. In a way it’s good. Most White women are raised to be “nice” and try as hard as they can not to be “racist”. By making them the bad guy for acting normal, we bring more of them back to reality. These new leftist purges have a chance of being just what we need to convince everyone how nuts the leftists really are.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Most White women are raised to be “nice” and try as hard as they can not to be “racist”. By making them the bad guy for acting normal, we bring more of them back to reality. These new leftist purges have a chance of being just what we need to convince everyone how nuts the leftists really are.
     
    No one likes to see others treated unfairly, but I fear you may be right. There are some people who will only learn the hard way.
  21. Again: anything I might add by way of comment has already been thoroughly covered in Ron Unz’s essay, posted on Monday the 16th.

  22. @Arclight
    In our brave new society, white people are not allowed to be exasperated or concerned by the actions of anyone who doesn't look like them...but they are not allowed to remove themselves from the situation either (like moving to suburbs largely devoid of certain minority groups) or impose their preferences in areas they move to in increasing numbers (like gentrifying urban neighborhoods).

    Many white people do not concern themselves with racial issues one way or another in their daily life, much to the frustration of the left. But as more and more become aware - dare I saw woke - to the idea that their would-be political masters expect them to meekly submit to the primacy of the cultural and economic preferences of blacks and latinos, the slow erosion of white support for the left will become a landslide. This will of course be treated at prima facie evidence of white supremacy/racism, not a natural reaction of a group to the reality that continuing to divide its vote means its elimination as a political force that must be reckoned with.

    In our brave new society, white people are not allowed to be exasperated or concerned by the actions of anyone who doesn’t look like them…

    I remember when opposition to “racism” meant that we shouldn’t judge people based on the color of their skin. The idea was that White norms were actually just universal norms of civility, and furthermore that it was “racist” to deny this! Ergo, nothing about our schools, communities, workplaces, churches, etc. would ever have to change.

    With that narrative, it becomes very difficult to resist integration on a small scale, or even on a large scale via the abolition of borders. That’s why the Boomer hate is, I think often overblown. They were duped and outmaneuvered.

    50 years of Aliskyite agitation later, and we’ve come to the point where it is racist to affirm that White norms are universal and expect others to honor them. Whether this was inevitable from the beginning I don’t know.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational, Travis
    • Replies: @Svigor

    That’s why the Boomer hate is, I think often overblown. They were duped and outmaneuvered.
     
    The boomer-hate isn't about their behavior back then, or even their positions now. It's about their clueless, smug sense of superiority - their impenetrability. They were definitively pozzed, in legendary fashion, in their formative years - ruined.
    , @passive-aggressivist

    50 years of Aliskyite agitation later, and we’ve come to the point where it is racist to affirm that White norms are universal and expect others to honor them. Whether this was inevitable from the beginning I don’t know.
     
    It was absolutely inevitable and was the point all along. Just ask Franz Boas.
    , @Forbes
    I might differ with Svigor's comment (I'm not certain I completely understand it), but speaking as one, Boomer's weren't duped and outmaneuvered--they led the charge in hating America, destroying traditions, and fomenting institutional chaos. It partly explains why I think Boomer hate might be overdone as I wasn't part of the hate America-Howard Zinn battalion. Though the smug superiority is an attitude I'm all-too-familiar with--many of my contemporaries won't speak to me because I pushed back on their attitude and opinions. Most of 'em are just Paper Tigers.
    , @Anon

    That’s why the Boomer hate is, I think often overblown. They were duped and outmaneuvered.
     
    Please elaborate.
  23. @dearieme
    "Becky" as in Rebecca? A biblical name, isn't it? So not just racist but conceivably anti-semitic? Surely there must be some (non-absurd) white-girl names that are not of Jewish origin? Do you have no Fionas in the US? Or Æthelflæds? You must have Heidis.

    Fiona and Heidi are extremely rare names these days in the U.S., as are Jane, Sally, and Veronica.

  24. @dearieme
    "Becky" as in Rebecca? A biblical name, isn't it? So not just racist but conceivably anti-semitic? Surely there must be some (non-absurd) white-girl names that are not of Jewish origin? Do you have no Fionas in the US? Or Æthelflæds? You must have Heidis.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/entertainthis/2016/04/27/what-does-becky-mean-heres-history-behind-beyoncs-lemonade-lyric-sparked-firestorm/83555996/

    Becky ain’t Jewish (though some of the type I victims have been) – being Jewish doesn’t insulate you any more than being female.

    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country

    being Jewish doesn’t insulate you any more than being female.
     
    Somewhat true. Jews will often pull the "we're one of you" card just as white women do, but, to their surprise, it doesn't work against the SJW mob. Not sure how Jewish liberals and white women thought that they'd get a pass in a race cold war. (The Golfocaust just doesn't hold a lot of water with blacks and browns.) Regardless, it won't take too long for them to figure out.
  25. Sidewalk Susie went to Wellesley College, Hillary’s alma mater. Probably a Trump hater. Off with her head I say.

  26. @dearieme
    "Becky" as in Rebecca? A biblical name, isn't it? So not just racist but conceivably anti-semitic? Surely there must be some (non-absurd) white-girl names that are not of Jewish origin? Do you have no Fionas in the US? Or Æthelflæds? You must have Heidis.

    The first Heidi that comes to mind for me is Beirich, who is most assuredly of the tribe.

    • Replies: @njguy73

    The first Heidi that comes to mind for me is Beirich, who is most assuredly of the tribe.
     
    Fleiss.
  27. @Hail
    Is belief in 'White Privilege' a kind of society-wide, mega Type I error?

    No. I think it’s silly to say that white privilege doesn’t exist.

    The left’s dishonesty is not in shining a light on white privilege; it’s in denying the existence of other forms of racial privilege, specifically Jewish privilege (with help from conservatives) and black privilege. Just like male privilege coexists with female privilege (which leftists tend to deny), white privilege coexists with other types of racial privilege.

    • Agree: Hibernian
    • Replies: @Forbes
    Really silly. If everyone has privilege--in their own way, male, female, white, black, gay, Jew, Muslim, whatever--then privilege doesn't exist as a shared concept or meaning. It's just a characteristic or attribute of a racial, ethnic, gender/sex, religion, creed, whatever stereotype.
  28. Instead, white women are finding themselves pretty far down the intersectional totem pole. For instance, The New York Times has printed the racial slur “Becky” three times over the past five weeks while demeaning white women.

    Hymie privilege.

  29. Anonymous[398] • Disclaimer says:

    Holy Totem Pole.
    Holy Totem Pole.

  30. @dearieme
    "Becky" as in Rebecca? A biblical name, isn't it? So not just racist but conceivably anti-semitic? Surely there must be some (non-absurd) white-girl names that are not of Jewish origin? Do you have no Fionas in the US? Or Æthelflæds? You must have Heidis.

    • Replies: @njguy73
    Piltdown Man, you and I should have a podcast called "Two Guys Point Out To Clueless Schmucks Shit Which Should Be Totally Fucking Obvious To Anyone Who Hasn't Been In A Coma Since 1989."

    Or maybe just "Pilty & The NJGuy."
  31. The woman who started it all, Stanford Educated Chemical Engineer BBQ Betty, was actually correct. BBQing was occurring in one of the areas not properly equipped to dispose of burning charcoals. So the situation could have been de-escalated by the BBQers swallowing their pride and moving to a properly equipped area. This is also sort of the white female equivalent of George Zimmerman constantly calling the police while packing heat.

    State and local government have an interest in shutting up all the Beckies as responding to their complaints is a substantial cost.

    The suppression of discussion of the Rotherham sex scandal is due almost entirely to the largely white police not wanting to police the dregs of the Pakistani community on a daily basis.

    • Replies: @EdwardM
    I wish that a silver lining from these stories would be public exasperation at all of the idiotic local ordinances over which Beckys call the cops -- selling water without a permit, BBQing in the wrong place, napping on a bench.

    We used to be a free country. Then again, we used to be a high-trust country that didn't need busybody city councilors and police to nanny us in every public and private space.

    Though I don't think it's really fair to say that the creeping local police state has been imposed due to backlash at demographic and cultural change. Nice White Ladies have been zealous enough in attempting to regulate our every action over the past 50 years.
  32. @Jack D
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/entertainthis/2016/04/27/what-does-becky-mean-heres-history-behind-beyoncs-lemonade-lyric-sparked-firestorm/83555996/

    Becky ain't Jewish (though some of the type I victims have been) - being Jewish doesn't insulate you any more than being female.

    being Jewish doesn’t insulate you any more than being female.

    Somewhat true. Jews will often pull the “we’re one of you” card just as white women do, but, to their surprise, it doesn’t work against the SJW mob. Not sure how Jewish liberals and white women thought that they’d get a pass in a race cold war. (The Golfocaust just doesn’t hold a lot of water with blacks and browns.) Regardless, it won’t take too long for them to figure out.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    I'm very surprised more white women aren't really pissed about trannies in the little girls' room, trannies winning girls' track meets, etc.
  33. Anonymous[234] • Disclaimer says:

    Great column.

    Black Lives Matter seems to be saying you should have a fairly high threshold to call the police on someone of color. I would agree with their point, but not the narrow focus: you should have a fairly high threshold to call the police period. Many people (and yes, disproportionately white females) treat the cops as some all-purpose dispute resolution force to be deployed against anything and anyone that annoys them. Just as your first response to some minor workplace incident (an off-color joke, a pat on the shoulder that lingers a second too long) that makes you uncomfortable should be to ask the person to stop (as opposed to immediately filing a complaint with HR), your first response to your neighbor playing music too loud should be to politely ask him to turn it down. Act like an adult, in other words, not an obnoxious grade-school tattletale.

    But the central conceit of reporting all these minor incidents is not that the complainant should just chill out. Fundamentally, it’s that blacks aren’t bound to respect “white” norms or white authority figures. Asking a black person to stop behaving in some mildly anti-social way, to respect the store policy or the pool policy, is wrong. Not just wrong, but grievously wrong, national-news wrong. And as you say there can be no simple misunderstandings vis-a-vis a white person calling the police on a black person. And, of course, presuming that a 23 year old black male is more likely to rob you than a 23 year old Korean female is essentially a hate crime.

    And you’re right, the contrast with the #MeToo movement couldn’t be more stark; for them nuance, proportionality, objectivity and due process are meaningless next to the feelings and “lived experience” of the victim. Unless the “aggressor” is black and the “victim” white, I guess. Then it gets tricky.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    I don't think it's fair to equate someone with a "grade-school tattletale" for going over someone's head with a complaint. It's really context dependent. With some people, no matter how politely you ask them and no matter how reasonable your request is, they will get angry at you and possibly take it out on you in any number of ways. Why subject yourself to that? Just for the knowledge that an anonymous internet person would approve of your decision?

    If you are certain that the person whose behavior you want changed is reasonable and mild-mannered, then by all means ask them directly instead of automatically reporting them to an authority. But if you're not absolutely certain, then "tattle" away without a shred of guilt.

  34. You commit Type I error by rejecting the null hypothesis when it’s true. The null hypothesis is, in fact, the racial stereotype i.e. the unfamiliar young black male passing through your white neighborhood is up to something no good. Type I error is failing to call the cops before your neighbor’s TV gets stolen.

    Type II is accepting the null hypothesis when it’s false. When a neighbor of Henry Louis Gate’s burglary prone neighborhood in Cambridge, MA reported him to the police, thereby touching off the Obama beer summit which gave us the Narrative, that was a Type II error.

    Basically, what this is all about is that someone most likely to live in proximity to blacks will make a Type II error out of an abundance of caution because they are familiar with the unfortunate consequences of making a Type I error all too well. Who are these people most likely to be? — poor and middle class white people. In effect, the demand that people err on the side of rejecting the null hypothesis when it’s true is a war on knowledge in general and on poor and middle class whites in particular.j

    • Replies: @res
    Perhaps the most important thing to convey is that there will be errors. No one has perfect discriminatory capabilities (and even if they did, wouldn't that be racist anyway?). How we handle those errors is important. As is having a real conversation about what are acceptable rates of each type of error.

    Separate issues:
    - Whether people include race in their judgments.
    - Whether people perceive race is part of judgments against them. (talk about false positives!)
    - Whether race is actually valid to use in a given case (e.g. crime rates).

    , @International Jew

    The null hypothesis is, in fact, the racial stereotype i.e. the unfamiliar young black male passing through your white neighborhood is up to something no good. Type I error is failing to call the cops before your neighbor’s TV gets stolen.
     
    Your null hypothesis can, in principle, be whatever you want it to be, but the way Steve is using the terms Type 1/Type 2, his null hypothesis has to be that there is no crime in progress.

    Everything else you said is correct. And yes, the terminology is confusing since classical hypothesis testing à la Neymann and Pearson is always about rejecting, rather than accepting, a hypothesis. (Now Bayesians can speak about the likelihood that a hypothesis is true...)

  35. @dearieme
    "Becky" as in Rebecca? A biblical name, isn't it? So not just racist but conceivably anti-semitic? Surely there must be some (non-absurd) white-girl names that are not of Jewish origin? Do you have no Fionas in the US? Or Æthelflæds? You must have Heidis.

    Becky as in Becky Harper, Tom Sawyer’s blonde heartthrob in Mark Twain’s novel, you sillies.

  36. Primetime network news is running home videos of yt being rayciss every night for the rest of the year apparently, I guess they decided that if they couldn’t beat social media, it was better to join them.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    All media is entertainment--judge accordingly.

    There are no news media. Pushing an agenda is activism, not news.

    Media is used to influence--it is not disinterested information.

    Watch sparingly.
  37. Not to go all Whiskey (I am a happily married man, after all), but I think that these SJW attacks against white women are a good thing. As blacks and browns have increasingly pointed out (and they’re right), white women want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to have their place at the victims’ table and bask in the warm embrace of moral indignation while marrying white men, having white children and living as far away from blacks and browns as possible.

    And so far, middle and upper-middle class white women have been able to do just that. But their hypocrisy is becoming harder and harder for blacks and browns to stomach. NAMs know that white women are full of baloney when it comes to any real change. White women don’t want blacks in their neighborhoods and schools. White women fear feral blacks just as much as anyone else.

    It’s time that white women to choose sides. (Btw, a similar argument holds true for Jews.)

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  38. https://nypost.com/2018/07/18/josh-hader-deeply-sorry-after-hate-filled-tweets-are-uncovered-during-all-star-game/

    Sort of off topic, but this 24 year-old baseball player appears to be latest white guy who is on the precipice of having his life ruined because he made “racist, sexist, and homophobic” tweets when he was 17 years old. This vital information surfaced while Mr. Hader was enjoying his participation in baseball’s All Star game, presumably the pinnacle of career up to this point.

    Significantly, at least to anyone with even minimal powers of observation or the ability to process information in a semi-rational manner, it appears the context of the violation was him quoting rap lyrics. So, ironically, a white boy worshipping black musical forms is in danger of having his career ruined because he supposedly hates black people.

    We saw a similar situation a few years ago with a white wide receiver who was recorded at a country music show blustering about being willing to “fight any n***** in here.” As with the baseball player, he was a white guy emulating how black people talk. He was not directing his comments to black people.

    A third example is the recent kerfuffle with the Papa John’s founder. He simply used the “magic n -word.” Context be damned.

    We’re to the point where if you get caught telling someone to NOT use this word but make the mistake of actually enunciating the entire word, you can kiss your career and social standing goodbye. You might be able to redeem yourself if you grovel enough (or turn over lots and lots of cash) and undergo “sensitivity training” as this baseball player is being threatened with, but my guess is if your social utility is relatively small (e.g. you’re just “white trash”) the pleasure experienced by liberals in ruining your life will outweigh your potential contributions on the athletic field or as a cash cow and it’s down the trash chute for you!

    • Replies: @Forbes

    You might be able to redeem yourself if you grovel enough (or turn over lots and lots of cash) and undergo “sensitivity training”
     
    No. Never. Not in a million years. Do not do this. Do not ever give in to demands of SJWs/PC police.

    The player, in his youth, did not make a mistake. Stand up for yourself. Have a spine and intestinal fortitude. Openly declare you did nothing wrong.

    An apology is just showing fear, and akin blood in the water to a predator. They will never relent. No apology is ever sufficient.

    The entire exercise is a power dominance game--and an apology makes you a permanent target and example. Especially after they've taken your scalp.

    Wake up people.
  39. Instead, white women are finding themselves pretty far down the intersectional totem pole. For instance, The New York Times has printed the racial slur “Becky” three times over the past five weeks while demeaning white women.

    The Beckys lost their seat in the Coalition of the Fringes when one of them lost to Trump and the rest voted for him 52-48%.

    You might think that in the #MeToo era, women’s worries about their personal security would be viewed at least somewhat sympathetically.

    I think #MeToo is best viewed as mostly backlash against the unholy bargain at the center of the Clinton family and the sexual politics in the liberal project more generally. The predation of male liberals and Democrats like Bill Clinton and Harvey Weinstein was accepted as long as things were sailing smoothly politically. The unstated reason why Hillary deserved the Presidency was that she’d put up with being married to Bill, and in fact was another of his defenders. When that tolerance didn’t deliver results, it was open season on the liberal leches.

    • Replies: @Travis
    I agree. White women cost Hillary the election, thus they have lost some of their power.
    One slight benefit of the Clinton control of the Democratic party was it kept a lid on some of the outrageous feminists agenda as we now see with the #MeToo agenda
    , @SimpleSong

    and the sexual politics in the liberal project more generally.
     
    Exactly this. Of course every woman is different, and this absolutely does not apply to sub-saharan derived cultures, but things like hook-up culture (either in college or the workplace) are an anathema to most women. Whether they look back fondly on a particular sexual act or not depends not on the act itself in the moment but on the long term outcome. This is totally different from men. If they got drunk and banged the boss or some Haven Monahan this can be a positive or negative experience depending on whether they ended up advancing their career in a meaningful way/had a long term relationship, or (best option) got married.

    Since most of these hookups don't end up in marriage this culture ends up not being a good experience for most women. And since most careers, even very successful careers, provide very little fulfillment compared to friends and family, most women end up unhappy with the trades that they made.
    , @Whiskey
    Disagree it was Kamala Harris War on Hollywood money that led to meetoo.

    All about limiting Clinton money

    , @Jim Christian
    "When that tolerance didn’t deliver results, it was open season on the liberal leches." Blacks and Hispanics surely look at the record and are fed up. Might be easy to assume for them that White Democrats won't win the White House ever again. Record is, only a Black man won for them since Bill Clinton. Not even Hillary could win. Going further back beyond the loser Gore, not Du-Caca, not Mondale nor Humphrey could win. Carter was an aberration. Been going on a long time this. If I'm a Black Democrat looking at how Hillary blew it, I'd be wanting White folks out of the Democrat Party too.

    As for White feminists that used racism to bludgeon White men for forty-plus years to their own profit I say, just desserts. They were always more racist than I. They never served with Blacks in the military, nor in construction, nor in the trades. They do everything they can to stay away from Blacks at work, the neighborhoods they choose for the 'good schools', at the country club. They don't know Good Blacks from Bad Blacks because they've never been around ANY Blacks. They've had a free ride. Yet only White MEN are racist. All this nonsense comes from the Feminists of Academia. Turns out they're the most egregious racists, heh. Hilarious also, they're losing privilege to chicks with dicks. It just gets better and better, doesn't it?.

    Well, my pointing it out never did me any good. And so, good for Blacks and Hispanics noticing that White Feminist Democrats are racist. Feminists are already feeling the 'pick-a-side" syndrome anyway, they were helpful to Trump. All those racist feminists have to go somewhere when the Democrat Party doesn't want them anymore. I did.

  40. (And we still need a better mnemonic name than Type I/Type II.)

    “False positives and false negatives” ain’t meme magic, but it’s easier to remember than “Type I/Type II.”

    • Replies: @Buddwing
    Terminology:
    I don't think anyone at all outside a research methodology class can remember Type I/Type II distinction. The false positive/false negative distinction sounds like part of a syllogistic logic puzzle ("If all negatives are false, is a not positive response an affirmation of a falsehood?" or some such).


    I would go for "Choose one: innocents squawk or guilty walk."
  41. OT: Can’t vouch for the validity of the study, but it seems in line with other research. Anyway, looks like France will be at least 20% Muslim someday even if you stopped immigration tomorrow and birthrates equalized, neither of which are going to happen.

    https://www.defendevropa.org/2018/islam/20-percent-french-newborns-muslim/

    Twenty percent of babies born in France have Muslim names. Indeed, the figure could be slightly higher because the study only looks at common Muslim names.

    So even under a very good case scenario – reducing Muslim immigration to zero over the next decade and slowly equalizing birth rates – the Muslim percent of births would likely increase to, let’s say 25% (probably 30%), and then level off. Of course, there are the Africans as well who are maybe around 5% to 8% of births. (I have no idea. That seems reasonably conservative.)

    Basicallly, it’s baked in the pie today that France will someday be ~25% Muslim and 5% to 10% other non-Europeans. That will happen. Not a projection. Reality on the ground. Indeed, those figures could easily be much higher.

    Can a 25% Muslim (and 10% African) France work? I suppose, but that seems about as high as you can go before day-to-day life starts to break down. I honestly can’t see a 35% Muslim/10% African France functioning very well, but who knows.

    • Replies: @interesting
    I think you are underestimating the reality here. Birth rates are such that I'll bet in 20 years there are as many Muslim grandchildren as there are white French grandchildren.

    The Muslims retirement plan is for his 10 kids and 20 grand-kids to take care of him.

    France as we knew it will no longer exist in our life times........IMHO......Just ask the Paris of the middle east how this all plays out........France will be no different.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    At least France has a lotta lotta space, but I was surprised to find so many Africans in the towns on my last visit. Carcassonne has quite a few, although there are plenty of smaller unenriched (i.e. French) towns in the surrounding country, full of familiar wine names like Minervois, Corbieres and Fitou.
    , @Pat Boyle
    Well I hope I'm wrong but there is also genocide. Maybe the French will simply kill them. We learned in the Algerian War that the French can be quite nasty. If Steve is right about his "most important graph" we may have a move in several liberal and civilized nations to study Nazi death technology.
  42. @Rosie

    In our brave new society, white people are not allowed to be exasperated or concerned by the actions of anyone who doesn’t look like them…
     
    I remember when opposition to "racism" meant that we shouldn't judge people based on the color of their skin. The idea was that White norms were actually just universal norms of civility, and furthermore that it was "racist" to deny this! Ergo, nothing about our schools, communities, workplaces, churches, etc. would ever have to change.

    With that narrative, it becomes very difficult to resist integration on a small scale, or even on a large scale via the abolition of borders. That's why the Boomer hate is, I think often overblown. They were duped and outmaneuvered.

    50 years of Aliskyite agitation later, and we've come to the point where it is racist to affirm that White norms are universal and expect others to honor them. Whether this was inevitable from the beginning I don't know.

    That’s why the Boomer hate is, I think often overblown. They were duped and outmaneuvered.

    The boomer-hate isn’t about their behavior back then, or even their positions now. It’s about their clueless, smug sense of superiority – their impenetrability. They were definitively pozzed, in legendary fashion, in their formative years – ruined.

    • Replies: @Bernardo Pizzaro Cortez Del Castro
    The Silent generation , those born from 1930 - 1945 were just as bad , maybe even worse than the boomers , and they have less of an excuse.
  43. @Rosie

    In our brave new society, white people are not allowed to be exasperated or concerned by the actions of anyone who doesn’t look like them…
     
    I remember when opposition to "racism" meant that we shouldn't judge people based on the color of their skin. The idea was that White norms were actually just universal norms of civility, and furthermore that it was "racist" to deny this! Ergo, nothing about our schools, communities, workplaces, churches, etc. would ever have to change.

    With that narrative, it becomes very difficult to resist integration on a small scale, or even on a large scale via the abolition of borders. That's why the Boomer hate is, I think often overblown. They were duped and outmaneuvered.

    50 years of Aliskyite agitation later, and we've come to the point where it is racist to affirm that White norms are universal and expect others to honor them. Whether this was inevitable from the beginning I don't know.

    50 years of Aliskyite agitation later, and we’ve come to the point where it is racist to affirm that White norms are universal and expect others to honor them. Whether this was inevitable from the beginning I don’t know.

    It was absolutely inevitable and was the point all along. Just ask Franz Boas.

  44. The article fits well with the overall impression that the establishment/left are slowly coming out of the totalitarian/gulag/genocide closet.

    • Replies: @Samuel Skinner
    They were always like this (see white flight). We just have access to alternative sources of information so now we can see their evil.
  45. @dearieme
    "Becky" as in Rebecca? A biblical name, isn't it? So not just racist but conceivably anti-semitic? Surely there must be some (non-absurd) white-girl names that are not of Jewish origin? Do you have no Fionas in the US? Or Æthelflæds? You must have Heidis.

    Becky: (noun); a white woman who uses her privilege as a weapon, a ladder or an excuse. Ex: “A random Becky hit me up on Twitter to explain why not all white women are racist.”

    https://www.theroot.com/the-five-types-of-becky-1798543210

  46. While going ape-sh*t over Type I errors (an African-American accused unfairly in some way by a “majority” person) the mainstream media does its utmost to ignore type II errors – some innocent “majority” person noticing an African-American acting suspiciously, but not calling the police or otherwise reacting in a way that might get them branded racist, and then someone ends up robbed or dead. In the real world it is a balancing act — less Type I errors means more Type II errors.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    A Type 2 error that made history. Airport ticket agent meets 9/11 hijackers:

    "I got an immediate chill in my stomach as soon as I looked at him," he said. "I said to myself, if this guy doesn’t look like an Arab terrorist, nobody does."
     
    https://www.pressherald.com/2011/08/25/michael-tuohey-september-11-hijackers-atta-alomari-portland-jetport-maine/
  47. I wonder how many people have been murdered or raped because someone was afraid to call the police about a black guy acting suspiciously.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    I wonder how many people have been murdered or raped because someone was afraid to call the police about a black guy acting suspiciously.
     
    Or because White women have been guilt-tripped into letting their guard down.
    , @Mr. Rational

    I wonder how many people have been murdered or raped because someone was afraid to call the police about a black guy acting suspiciously.
     
    Minneapolis repealed its lurking ordinance because the only people being caught were dindus.  Calling the cops stopped being a praiseworthy act and instead became a racist one (and pointless, as the cops can't do anything about mere lurking any more).
    , @kaganovitch
    I wonder how many people have been murdered or raped because someone was afraid to call the police about a black guy acting suspiciously.

    It is as Bernanos said "“We will never know how many acts of cowardice have been committed out of the fear of being thought insufficiently progressive”.
  48. @Arclight
    In our brave new society, white people are not allowed to be exasperated or concerned by the actions of anyone who doesn't look like them...but they are not allowed to remove themselves from the situation either (like moving to suburbs largely devoid of certain minority groups) or impose their preferences in areas they move to in increasing numbers (like gentrifying urban neighborhoods).

    Many white people do not concern themselves with racial issues one way or another in their daily life, much to the frustration of the left. But as more and more become aware - dare I saw woke - to the idea that their would-be political masters expect them to meekly submit to the primacy of the cultural and economic preferences of blacks and latinos, the slow erosion of white support for the left will become a landslide. This will of course be treated at prima facie evidence of white supremacy/racism, not a natural reaction of a group to the reality that continuing to divide its vote means its elimination as a political force that must be reckoned with.

    Superb comment. I’ll add that Plain old physical elimination is what we will face on current trends, not just political elimination.

  49. @Rob McX
    I wonder how many people have been murdered or raped because someone was afraid to call the police about a black guy acting suspiciously.

    I wonder how many people have been murdered or raped because someone was afraid to call the police about a black guy acting suspiciously.

    Or because White women have been guilt-tripped into letting their guard down.

    • Replies: @njguy73

    Or because White women have been guilt-tripped into letting their guard down.
     
    (sarcasm)As tragic as the attack was, an attack on our diversity would be more tragic.(/sarcasm)

    I should have gone into the service. I could be a general by now.

  50. One longer-term trend this more immediate trend of Never Call the Police on Black People touches on: gentrification. Single white women live alone in cities and neighborhoods in the 21st century they never would’ve even walked through alone during the day through most of the late 20th century. Part of the reason for that was “Broken Windows” policing bringing the crime rate down to livable levels. I know this blog has touched on the role minor legal violations, like code violations or noise complaints, play in gentrification battles. This trend amounts to some “clapback” at the white people getting to use these sorts of quality-of-life complaints in these particular turf wars.

  51. @Rich
    This disconnect from reality could be what finally snaps White folks out of their daze. If Adam Bloom asks a White woman for her ID, which he apparently did many times, no one cares, the woman shows her ID. Only a black gets crazy about it. The three young blacks who were confronted by the hausfrau, didn't belong in the pool and were actually harassing the lady as she escorted them out. They claimed a "friend" invited them, but they would never have left if this friend existed. In a way it's good. Most White women are raised to be "nice" and try as hard as they can not to be "racist". By making them the bad guy for acting normal, we bring more of them back to reality. These new leftist purges have a chance of being just what we need to convince everyone how nuts the leftists really are.

    Most White women are raised to be “nice” and try as hard as they can not to be “racist”. By making them the bad guy for acting normal, we bring more of them back to reality. These new leftist purges have a chance of being just what we need to convince everyone how nuts the leftists really are.

    No one likes to see others treated unfairly, but I fear you may be right. There are some people who will only learn the hard way.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  52. @Rob McX
    I wonder how many people have been murdered or raped because someone was afraid to call the police about a black guy acting suspiciously.

    I wonder how many people have been murdered or raped because someone was afraid to call the police about a black guy acting suspiciously.

    Minneapolis repealed its lurking ordinance because the only people being caught were dindus.  Calling the cops stopped being a praiseworthy act and instead became a racist one (and pointless, as the cops can’t do anything about mere lurking any more).

    • Replies: @Flip
    "If you see something, say something."
  53. @Thomas

    Instead, white women are finding themselves pretty far down the intersectional totem pole. For instance, The New York Times has printed the racial slur “Becky” three times over the past five weeks while demeaning white women.
     
    The Beckys lost their seat in the Coalition of the Fringes when one of them lost to Trump and the rest voted for him 52-48%.

    You might think that in the #MeToo era, women’s worries about their personal security would be viewed at least somewhat sympathetically.
     
    I think #MeToo is best viewed as mostly backlash against the unholy bargain at the center of the Clinton family and the sexual politics in the liberal project more generally. The predation of male liberals and Democrats like Bill Clinton and Harvey Weinstein was accepted as long as things were sailing smoothly politically. The unstated reason why Hillary deserved the Presidency was that she'd put up with being married to Bill, and in fact was another of his defenders. When that tolerance didn't deliver results, it was open season on the liberal leches.

    I agree. White women cost Hillary the election, thus they have lost some of their power.
    One slight benefit of the Clinton control of the Democratic party was it kept a lid on some of the outrageous feminists agenda as we now see with the #MeToo agenda

  54. @njguy73

    “Becky” as in Rebecca? A biblical name, isn’t it? So not just racist but conceivably anti-semitic? Surely there must be some (non-absurd) white-girl names that are not of Jewish origin? Do you have no Fionas in the US? Or Æthelflæds? You must have Heidis.

     

    I take it you're not familiar with how hip-hop, starting with Sir Mix-A-Lot's 1992 hit "Baby Got Back," has cast "Becky" as a synonym for "basic White girl."

    Anyone want to help out here?

    Beyonce made the term “Becky” a big thing.
    BTW whatever happened to Mix a Lot? Guy was a genius.
    “But Fonda ain’t got a motor in the back of her Honda.” Indeed.

  55. OT:

    Steve, check out Pete Strzok Sr. Classic example of one of your globalist adventurers. Pete Jr. ended up raised in Iran, then after things got too hot thanks to dear old dad, Saudi Arabia.

  56. @dearieme
    "Becky" as in Rebecca? A biblical name, isn't it? So not just racist but conceivably anti-semitic? Surely there must be some (non-absurd) white-girl names that are not of Jewish origin? Do you have no Fionas in the US? Or Æthelflæds? You must have Heidis.

    2 dearieme > A biblical name, isn’t it?

    cream rises to the top, doesn’t it?

  57. res says:
    @JimB
    You commit Type I error by rejecting the null hypothesis when it’s true. The null hypothesis is, in fact, the racial stereotype i.e. the unfamiliar young black male passing through your white neighborhood is up to something no good. Type I error is failing to call the cops before your neighbor’s TV gets stolen.

    Type II is accepting the null hypothesis when it’s false. When a neighbor of Henry Louis Gate’s burglary prone neighborhood in Cambridge, MA reported him to the police, thereby touching off the Obama beer summit which gave us the Narrative, that was a Type II error.

    Basically, what this is all about is that someone most likely to live in proximity to blacks will make a Type II error out of an abundance of caution because they are familiar with the unfortunate consequences of making a Type I error all too well. Who are these people most likely to be? — poor and middle class white people. In effect, the demand that people err on the side of rejecting the null hypothesis when it’s true is a war on knowledge in general and on poor and middle class whites in particular.j

    Perhaps the most important thing to convey is that there will be errors. No one has perfect discriminatory capabilities (and even if they did, wouldn’t that be racist anyway?). How we handle those errors is important. As is having a real conversation about what are acceptable rates of each type of error.

    Separate issues:
    – Whether people include race in their judgments.
    – Whether people perceive race is part of judgments against them. (talk about false positives!)
    – Whether race is actually valid to use in a given case (e.g. crime rates).

  58. @Svigor

    That’s why the Boomer hate is, I think often overblown. They were duped and outmaneuvered.
     
    The boomer-hate isn't about their behavior back then, or even their positions now. It's about their clueless, smug sense of superiority - their impenetrability. They were definitively pozzed, in legendary fashion, in their formative years - ruined.

    The Silent generation , those born from 1930 – 1945 were just as bad , maybe even worse than the boomers , and they have less of an excuse.

  59. Lot says:
    @njguy73

    “Becky” as in Rebecca? A biblical name, isn’t it? So not just racist but conceivably anti-semitic? Surely there must be some (non-absurd) white-girl names that are not of Jewish origin? Do you have no Fionas in the US? Or Æthelflæds? You must have Heidis.

     

    I take it you're not familiar with how hip-hop, starting with Sir Mix-A-Lot's 1992 hit "Baby Got Back," has cast "Becky" as a synonym for "basic White girl."

    Anyone want to help out here?

    I think Sir Mix a Lot was a one time thing, and Becky as a slur started about 5 years ago through social media.

    The most famous Becky on TV was from Roseanne, and the character is a mostly-cheerful and pretty all-American blonde. Since Roseanne never left syndication the whole time, it was another source of the association between the name and a pretty white girl.

    I doubt I had a single Becky or Rebecca in any of my mostly WWC schooling. By the 80s-born cohorts the name had lost favor outside maybe of Jewish areas.

    • Replies: @njguy73

    I think Sir Mix a Lot was a one time thing
     
    Yeah, a one-time thing which had massive long-range impact on race, gender, body image...

    ...I don't think people realize how impactful that song was. I'm completely serious. Talk to women. You'll see what I mean.
    , @Benjaminl
    Lot, did I read that correctly -- did you have a white working-class upbringing?

    One of the great things about the commenters here (for example, Buffalo Joe, slumber_j and Old Palo Altan come to mind) is their life experience from genuinely diverse points in America and beyond.

    I've noticed that some notable number of those who see through the Woke SWPL BS (for example, Lee Jussim and Toni Airaksinen, per their recent Tweets) have experienced some genuine hardship growing up, and can thus easily see all the Ivy League psychodrama for the play-acting that it is.

    Personally, my background is 100% generic SWPL Whitopia, and I attribute my enlightenment to moving to vibrantly diverse neighborhoods after college and realizing that Critical Theory didn't quite make sense of it all.
  60. @Thomas

    Instead, white women are finding themselves pretty far down the intersectional totem pole. For instance, The New York Times has printed the racial slur “Becky” three times over the past five weeks while demeaning white women.
     
    The Beckys lost their seat in the Coalition of the Fringes when one of them lost to Trump and the rest voted for him 52-48%.

    You might think that in the #MeToo era, women’s worries about their personal security would be viewed at least somewhat sympathetically.
     
    I think #MeToo is best viewed as mostly backlash against the unholy bargain at the center of the Clinton family and the sexual politics in the liberal project more generally. The predation of male liberals and Democrats like Bill Clinton and Harvey Weinstein was accepted as long as things were sailing smoothly politically. The unstated reason why Hillary deserved the Presidency was that she'd put up with being married to Bill, and in fact was another of his defenders. When that tolerance didn't deliver results, it was open season on the liberal leches.

    and the sexual politics in the liberal project more generally.

    Exactly this. Of course every woman is different, and this absolutely does not apply to sub-saharan derived cultures, but things like hook-up culture (either in college or the workplace) are an anathema to most women. Whether they look back fondly on a particular sexual act or not depends not on the act itself in the moment but on the long term outcome. This is totally different from men. If they got drunk and banged the boss or some Haven Monahan this can be a positive or negative experience depending on whether they ended up advancing their career in a meaningful way/had a long term relationship, or (best option) got married.

    Since most of these hookups don’t end up in marriage this culture ends up not being a good experience for most women. And since most careers, even very successful careers, provide very little fulfillment compared to friends and family, most women end up unhappy with the trades that they made.

  61. In my “little darlings” theory the ruling class eventually tires of the people it has championed as helpless victims. See Archie Bunker, circa 1971, former working stiff and now racist,sexist bigot.

    So, Becky, maybe it’s about time you started voting Republican. Because you ain’t a little darling of the ruling class no more. Not no how.

  62. @Anonymous
    Great column.

    Black Lives Matter seems to be saying you should have a fairly high threshold to call the police on someone of color. I would agree with their point, but not the narrow focus: you should have a fairly high threshold to call the police period. Many people (and yes, disproportionately white females) treat the cops as some all-purpose dispute resolution force to be deployed against anything and anyone that annoys them. Just as your first response to some minor workplace incident (an off-color joke, a pat on the shoulder that lingers a second too long) that makes you uncomfortable should be to ask the person to stop (as opposed to immediately filing a complaint with HR), your first response to your neighbor playing music too loud should be to politely ask him to turn it down. Act like an adult, in other words, not an obnoxious grade-school tattletale.

    But the central conceit of reporting all these minor incidents is not that the complainant should just chill out. Fundamentally, it's that blacks aren't bound to respect "white" norms or white authority figures. Asking a black person to stop behaving in some mildly anti-social way, to respect the store policy or the pool policy, is wrong. Not just wrong, but grievously wrong, national-news wrong. And as you say there can be no simple misunderstandings vis-a-vis a white person calling the police on a black person. And, of course, presuming that a 23 year old black male is more likely to rob you than a 23 year old Korean female is essentially a hate crime.

    And you're right, the contrast with the #MeToo movement couldn't be more stark; for them nuance, proportionality, objectivity and due process are meaningless next to the feelings and "lived experience" of the victim. Unless the "aggressor" is black and the "victim" white, I guess. Then it gets tricky.

    I don’t think it’s fair to equate someone with a “grade-school tattletale” for going over someone’s head with a complaint. It’s really context dependent. With some people, no matter how politely you ask them and no matter how reasonable your request is, they will get angry at you and possibly take it out on you in any number of ways. Why subject yourself to that? Just for the knowledge that an anonymous internet person would approve of your decision?

    If you are certain that the person whose behavior you want changed is reasonable and mild-mannered, then by all means ask them directly instead of automatically reporting them to an authority. But if you’re not absolutely certain, then “tattle” away without a shred of guilt.

  63. @PiltdownMan
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JphDdGV2TU

    Piltdown Man, you and I should have a podcast called “Two Guys Point Out To Clueless Schmucks Shit Which Should Be Totally Fucking Obvious To Anyone Who Hasn’t Been In A Coma Since 1989.”

    Or maybe just “Pilty & The NJGuy.”

    • Replies: @Forbes
    I see there are some benefits of having been in a coma since 1989...

    But hey, "Pilty & The NJGuy" sounds like a...a...a...blast. Yeah, that's the ticket.
  64. @Lot
    I think Sir Mix a Lot was a one time thing, and Becky as a slur started about 5 years ago through social media.

    The most famous Becky on TV was from Roseanne, and the character is a mostly-cheerful and pretty all-American blonde. Since Roseanne never left syndication the whole time, it was another source of the association between the name and a pretty white girl.

    I doubt I had a single Becky or Rebecca in any of my mostly WWC schooling. By the 80s-born cohorts the name had lost favor outside maybe of Jewish areas.

    I think Sir Mix a Lot was a one time thing

    Yeah, a one-time thing which had massive long-range impact on race, gender, body image…

    …I don’t think people realize how impactful that song was. I’m completely serious. Talk to women. You’ll see what I mean.

  65. @AndrewR
    The first Heidi that comes to mind for me is Beirich, who is most assuredly of the tribe.

    The first Heidi that comes to mind for me is Beirich, who is most assuredly of the tribe.

    Fleiss.

  66. OT but an iSteve perennial – black people and education.

    Kehinde Andrews is a pretty white black guy, but doesn’t seem to understand the difference between a proportion and a proportional increase.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/shortcuts/2018/jul/18/why-do-black-male-graduates-earn-7000-less-per-year-than-their-white-peers

    “Between 2007 and 2017, black male graduates earned a staggering £7,000 less per year than their white counterparts. The same study showed that black male participation has increased in higher education by 24%, compared with a 15% rise for white men. So, black men have been more likely to invest in higher education, even though the returns are diminished. We have become so used to the idea that we have to work twice as hard to get half as far that we now take it for granted.”

    The fact that the 2007 participation rate Y for white men is now (1.15 * Y) and the 2007 participation rate Z for black men is now (1.24 * Z) doesn’t tell us anything about what Y and Z are. I’d be amazed if a higher proportion of the black than the white youth cohort was in higher ed.

    “Black people are far less likely to receive a good degree and much more likely to go to less prestigious universities”

    Maybe that’s the key sentence. How many black kids get good A level grades, key to getting a Russell Group or Oxbridge place?

  67. @Rosie

    I wonder how many people have been murdered or raped because someone was afraid to call the police about a black guy acting suspiciously.
     
    Or because White women have been guilt-tripped into letting their guard down.

    Or because White women have been guilt-tripped into letting their guard down.

    (sarcasm)As tragic as the attack was, an attack on our diversity would be more tragic.(/sarcasm)

    I should have gone into the service. I could be a general by now.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    Gen. Casey was The Peter Principle in practice.
  68. For a long time, whites have been well trained, or just naturally inhibited, against “carding” blacks. In the mid-90’s I was friendly with a 250 lb. black guy named Hodge, who made his living scalping tickets at big sporting events like the Indy 500, the Final Four, etc. I first met him at the Oakland Coluseum, and then he became a regular at the Mon-Wed-Fri noontime basketball game on the Berkeley campus. I just assumed he’d bought a community membership like I had, but then one day we entered the buikding together, and when the desk clerk asked him for his pass, he said, “don’t bother me with that pass stuff man, I ain’t got time for that,” and just waltzed through. If I’d done the same, the kids would’ve called the cops to haul me out, but he was a fixture there for years. Nice guy though – he’d introduce me to people as “cold lefhand J.”

  69. istevefan says:

    In other times and places one wouldn’t need to call the police for non-criminal events. One would just politely tell the other person that what they are doing is not allowed, or that a certain place is for members only.

    In a diverse setting with blacks, there is both imagined and real risk that:

    1) Confronting an unknown black in public could lead to a real physical altercation;

    2) Even if a physical altercation is avoided, you could still land in hot water if the black claims you used racial slurs.

    So whites increasingly opt to call the cops to insulate themselves from the above. Now that is being taken away. It does seem very coordinated as if someone turned on a light switch. This has obviously been going on for some time, but all of a sudden it’s all over the news.

    It just goes to show how control of the media can be used to turn almost anything toxic overnight. If people like Buchanan and Coulter ran the media, we’d have 70 percent of Americans participating in the round up of illegal aliens just by spending a couple of months highlighting each day the various crimes and scams committed by them.

    Instead we are hunting down whites who just want to avoid engaging with a black “keepin it real” while the big problems go unreported and unnoticed.

    • Replies: @International Jew

    Confronting an unknown black in public could lead to a real physical altercation...So whites increasingly opt to call the cops to insulate themselves from the above.
     
    Confronting, you say? Merely making eye contact is taken by many blacks as a grave offense.
  70. Is there a reason there’s a notice that my browser is being checked when I try to access the site? I’m trying to not be paranoid here; it says it’s a DDoS prevention mechanism.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    Cloudflare is a DDos prevention mechanism.
  71. It’s funny, you hear this stuff on NPR every day. And then they’ll do a piece on Trump’s tariffs, how bad they are (and how horrible border enforcement is). And you think, but shouldn’t you be in favor of protecting workers’ jobs, given your general political perspective on here (leaving aside why public radio should have a particular political bent)?

    It took me a long time to realize the race/gender/sexual identity stuff was just to sell the international corporate cartel agenda. The schedule will go something like: Show about white people calling cops to police public pool. Isn’t that person awful and privileged? Next up, how US soybean farmers (cue heartland) or chinese workers are harmed by tariffs.

    Same with the Russia stuff. All of a sudden people who never trusted US intelligence services are all like, wow, what a traitor, Trump doesn’t even trust the totally trustworthy CIA over Putin (personally, I think trump was just trying to be, you know, diplomatic, when asked a leading question in front of someone with whom he is engaged in diplomacy)? Similarly, Russia was more beloved by the left when run by actual totalitarian tyrants rather than a garden variety thug.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    Heh. I was just reading about Polish journalists who claim they were fired from Polish national radio because the Polish government wants to turn the public radio/tv into its mouthpiece.
    , @Logan
    I'm surprised that nobody appears to notice that Identity Politics is classic Divide and Conquer.

    As the international elite vacuums up more and more of the wealth and power, they encourage the rest of us to turn on each other, based on the standard Identity Politics divisors.

    Otherwise we might get together and turn on the international elite.
    , @Forbes

    Russia was more beloved by the left when run by actual totalitarian tyrants rather than a garden variety thug.
     
    When the Soviet Union was communist--it was beloved by the Prog-Left. But remembering that fascism is anything to the right of communism, the Prog-Left of course, opposes non-communist Russia or any attempts at diplomatic harmony with Russia.

    The Prog-Left loved Nixon's detente with communist Soviet Union, they loved perestroika and glasnost with communist Soviet Union, as it meant the US was less actively opposing the Soviet Union, giving the communist regime a chance to prosper as the worker's paradise. Putin's Russia is opposed by the Prog-Left as it is not even attempting to be a communist worker's paradise, much less that its politics/governance is to the right of communism.
  72. @JimB
    You commit Type I error by rejecting the null hypothesis when it’s true. The null hypothesis is, in fact, the racial stereotype i.e. the unfamiliar young black male passing through your white neighborhood is up to something no good. Type I error is failing to call the cops before your neighbor’s TV gets stolen.

    Type II is accepting the null hypothesis when it’s false. When a neighbor of Henry Louis Gate’s burglary prone neighborhood in Cambridge, MA reported him to the police, thereby touching off the Obama beer summit which gave us the Narrative, that was a Type II error.

    Basically, what this is all about is that someone most likely to live in proximity to blacks will make a Type II error out of an abundance of caution because they are familiar with the unfortunate consequences of making a Type I error all too well. Who are these people most likely to be? — poor and middle class white people. In effect, the demand that people err on the side of rejecting the null hypothesis when it’s true is a war on knowledge in general and on poor and middle class whites in particular.j

    The null hypothesis is, in fact, the racial stereotype i.e. the unfamiliar young black male passing through your white neighborhood is up to something no good. Type I error is failing to call the cops before your neighbor’s TV gets stolen.

    Your null hypothesis can, in principle, be whatever you want it to be, but the way Steve is using the terms Type 1/Type 2, his null hypothesis has to be that there is no crime in progress.

    Everything else you said is correct. And yes, the terminology is confusing since classical hypothesis testing à la Neymann and Pearson is always about rejecting, rather than accepting, a hypothesis. (Now Bayesians can speak about the likelihood that a hypothesis is true…)

    • Replies: @Carbon blob
    Practically speaking, the null hypothesis is whatever the people who have the most power or the loudest megaphones say it is (that there's no correlation between race and crime, no differences in temperament between the sexes, etc).
  73. @Mike Zwick
    These were men but, https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/cvs-calls-cops-over-coupon_us_5b4df7abe4b0fd5c73bf355d

    Ah, but they were GAY men (at least one of them anyway). Interesting Intersectional Pokemon Points calculation.

  74. @HHSIII
    It's funny, you hear this stuff on NPR every day. And then they'll do a piece on Trump's tariffs, how bad they are (and how horrible border enforcement is). And you think, but shouldn't you be in favor of protecting workers' jobs, given your general political perspective on here (leaving aside why public radio should have a particular political bent)?

    It took me a long time to realize the race/gender/sexual identity stuff was just to sell the international corporate cartel agenda. The schedule will go something like: Show about white people calling cops to police public pool. Isn't that person awful and privileged? Next up, how US soybean farmers (cue heartland) or chinese workers are harmed by tariffs.

    Same with the Russia stuff. All of a sudden people who never trusted US intelligence services are all like, wow, what a traitor, Trump doesn't even trust the totally trustworthy CIA over Putin (personally, I think trump was just trying to be, you know, diplomatic, when asked a leading question in front of someone with whom he is engaged in diplomacy)? Similarly, Russia was more beloved by the left when run by actual totalitarian tyrants rather than a garden variety thug.

    Heh. I was just reading about Polish journalists who claim they were fired from Polish national radio because the Polish government wants to turn the public radio/tv into its mouthpiece.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    Wow just like the BBC! I hope that at least the Polish equivalent doesn’t extort license fees from every household like the BBC does. It’s bad enough that the government has staffed their broadcasting system with raving Marxist shills for the bureaucratic state, but they make their victims pay to get bombarded with the propaganda on top of it.
  75. @istevefan
    In other times and places one wouldn't need to call the police for non-criminal events. One would just politely tell the other person that what they are doing is not allowed, or that a certain place is for members only.

    In a diverse setting with blacks, there is both imagined and real risk that:

    1) Confronting an unknown black in public could lead to a real physical altercation;

    2) Even if a physical altercation is avoided, you could still land in hot water if the black claims you used racial slurs.

    So whites increasingly opt to call the cops to insulate themselves from the above. Now that is being taken away. It does seem very coordinated as if someone turned on a light switch. This has obviously been going on for some time, but all of a sudden it's all over the news.

    It just goes to show how control of the media can be used to turn almost anything toxic overnight. If people like Buchanan and Coulter ran the media, we'd have 70 percent of Americans participating in the round up of illegal aliens just by spending a couple of months highlighting each day the various crimes and scams committed by them.

    Instead we are hunting down whites who just want to avoid engaging with a black "keepin it real" while the big problems go unreported and unnoticed.

    Confronting an unknown black in public could lead to a real physical altercation…So whites increasingly opt to call the cops to insulate themselves from the above.

    Confronting, you say? Merely making eye contact is taken by many blacks as a grave offense.

  76. @Thomas

    Instead, white women are finding themselves pretty far down the intersectional totem pole. For instance, The New York Times has printed the racial slur “Becky” three times over the past five weeks while demeaning white women.
     
    The Beckys lost their seat in the Coalition of the Fringes when one of them lost to Trump and the rest voted for him 52-48%.

    You might think that in the #MeToo era, women’s worries about their personal security would be viewed at least somewhat sympathetically.
     
    I think #MeToo is best viewed as mostly backlash against the unholy bargain at the center of the Clinton family and the sexual politics in the liberal project more generally. The predation of male liberals and Democrats like Bill Clinton and Harvey Weinstein was accepted as long as things were sailing smoothly politically. The unstated reason why Hillary deserved the Presidency was that she'd put up with being married to Bill, and in fact was another of his defenders. When that tolerance didn't deliver results, it was open season on the liberal leches.

    Disagree it was Kamala Harris War on Hollywood money that led to meetoo.

    All about limiting Clinton money

  77. @Peter Johnson
    While going ape-sh*t over Type I errors (an African-American accused unfairly in some way by a "majority" person) the mainstream media does its utmost to ignore type II errors - some innocent "majority" person noticing an African-American acting suspiciously, but not calling the police or otherwise reacting in a way that might get them branded racist, and then someone ends up robbed or dead. In the real world it is a balancing act -- less Type I errors means more Type II errors.

    A Type 2 error that made history. Airport ticket agent meets 9/11 hijackers:

    “I got an immediate chill in my stomach as soon as I looked at him,” he said. “I said to myself, if this guy doesn’t look like an Arab terrorist, nobody does.”

    https://www.pressherald.com/2011/08/25/michael-tuohey-september-11-hijackers-atta-alomari-portland-jetport-maine/

    • Agree: Peter Johnson
    • Replies: @Tipsy
    A week prior to the 9/11 attack, James Woods saw 2 of the attackers on a trial run on the same flight from Boston, and alerted authorities. The FBI ignored it. Another Type 2 error.

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/out-of-the-woods-2/
    , @istevefan
    Good example. I had forgotten about that.
  78. CCZ says:
    @njguy73

    “Becky” as in Rebecca? A biblical name, isn’t it? So not just racist but conceivably anti-semitic? Surely there must be some (non-absurd) white-girl names that are not of Jewish origin? Do you have no Fionas in the US? Or Æthelflæds? You must have Heidis.

     

    I take it you're not familiar with how hip-hop, starting with Sir Mix-A-Lot's 1992 hit "Baby Got Back," has cast "Becky" as a synonym for "basic White girl."

    Anyone want to help out here?

    The Root tells us all that we need to know about black racism and the term Becky.

    Becky: (noun); a white woman who uses her privilege as a weapon, a ladder or an excuse. What started as a controversial term for fellatio has blossomed into an all-encompassing term for a specific class of white women.

    https://www.theroot.com/the-five-types-of-becky-1798543210

    An example of using the word in a sentence: “Tiny Duck was probably rejected by every Becky that he ever met.”

    • Replies: @Pat Boyle
    I must not move in the right circles. I don't understand what 'Becky' has to do with fellatio.

    It has been my experience that prior to the Clinton Administration few men dared to ask a woman for fellatio but afterwards no woman ever refused and most took the initiative. No Democrat save perhaps FDR had so much impact in the last century.
  79. Silly woman. Doesn’t she know that to be white is to be guilty of the crime of existence, you’re guilty because you exist! You have no rights!

  80. There’s a grain of truth to this problem. A lot of people, and probably especially white women, do call the authorities over trivial things.

    Busybody behavior should not be encouraged, and I’d argue that unless someone is being a real pain in the rear it’s best not to bother them.

    Just a few weeks ago I had to deal with one of these types at work. She seemed to think I wasn’t allowed to vape while on break, even though I was well past the required 25 feet from the door. She got so aggressive and hostile, even shoving her iPhone in my face to film me, that I ended up calling security on her. She then beat a hasty retreat and jumped in the nearest cab.

    Later, when I saw the cabbie who gave her a ride, I asked who she was. He said she was a California civil servant who owns property up here (apparently she blabs a lot). He offered, unprompted, to give me her address (it’s always a bad idea to mess with people at their workplace – people who work together tend to close ranks). I declined, but if I were a black guy and so inclined I could have gotten her in some hot water.

    I have to wonder why all these petty female functionaries, most of whom do appear to be white, feel it’s their job to enforce every trivial rule, whether existent or not. However, I also deplore the use of social media to settle scores for such non-issues. I think both sides need to learn a lesson here.

    • Replies: @njguy73

    There’s a grain of truth to this problem. A lot of people, and probably especially white women, do call the authorities over trivial things.

    Busybody behavior should not be encouraged, and I’d argue that unless someone is being a real pain in the rear it’s best not to bother them.
     
    OK, from here on out, women who make busybody calls will be called "Gladys" after the "Gladys Kravitz" character on Bewitched.

    Adam may ruin everything, but NJGuy fixes it all.
    , @dwb
    Bill:

    while I tend to agree with you that people call in mommy and daddy (i.e., the cops or HR) over the most trivial of crimes, and that we all would be better off if we could sort these things out ourselves, one of the problems with this has been hinted at already.

    In "the old days," people had a lot more respect for other people. Put another way, the word "iPod" has "i" as its first letter not by accident.

    In my old neighbourhood in San Jose, California, it has become "custom" on the fourth of July for some of the more recent arrivals to set off illegal fireworks in the area. A video made the rounds of an idiot running out into stopped traffic and lighting them off.

    On the local social media page, someone complained about this moron, and there were multiple people who responded about how "this is what it is to live in an urban area" or "if you do not like diverse culture, move to Wisconsin."

    I like fireworks as much as the next guy, but California is basically a desert climate, and shooting off fireworks - especially in a street - where the houses have shake roofs is just plain stupid. What sane person wants his house burnt down by a drunken idiot "celebrating" in a way that fits his "vibrant culture?" (Yes. The word "vibrant" appeared.)

    We should live and let live, but Howard Beale was right. We put up with "youths" speeding through the streets with loud, obnoxious "music" at all hours. We think it's racist to complain about "side shows". People leave tons of litter or put their filthy feet on the seats of our buses or "tag" walls.

    The culture gets more obnoxious with every accepted violation of trivial rules.

    No one says anything, and so the lowest common denominator rules.
  81. @dearieme
    "Becky" as in Rebecca? A biblical name, isn't it? So not just racist but conceivably anti-semitic? Surely there must be some (non-absurd) white-girl names that are not of Jewish origin? Do you have no Fionas in the US? Or Æthelflæds? You must have Heidis.

    During ww2 every country had a stereotypical name for its people given by others. Russians were all Ivan’s, the Brits were Tommy’s, the Germans Fritz’s and Fritizies, etc. Jews where Rebecca’s and something else for the men (cannot remember). I don’t think that was ever shortened to Becky however.

    • Replies: @Samuel Skinner
    I think it was Abraham for Jewish men.
  82. Steve, I don’t know what Type of error this is, but right now cops are massing outside the San Francisco Golf Club. Must be 200 motorcycle cops, plus mounted. Is Obama trying to sneak on?

  83. @Tiny Duck
    For too long whites have not been held accountable for their bad behavior.

    What seems like "discriminaction" to you is simply People of Color and allowing es saying "enough" and calling out poor actions

    Consider that whites but a treasonous person in the White House. There is oncovertabble evidence of collusion and Russian interference. whites have proven that they are traitors to America

    The very fact that conservative whites are not gearing up for war tells you something

    Truer words have never been quacked.

    • Replies: @ChrisZ
    That was hilarious, Prof.
  84. @Svigor

    (And we still need a better mnemonic name than Type I/Type II.)
     
    "False positives and false negatives" ain't meme magic, but it's easier to remember than "Type I/Type II."

    Terminology:
    I don’t think anyone at all outside a research methodology class can remember Type I/Type II distinction. The false positive/false negative distinction sounds like part of a syllogistic logic puzzle (“If all negatives are false, is a not positive response an affirmation of a falsehood?” or some such).

    I would go for “Choose one: innocents squawk or guilty walk.”

    • Replies: @Forbes

    “Choose one: innocents squawk or guilty walk.”

     

    That's pretty good. I was thinking along the lines of "false alarm" and "missed report."

    My stats is very strong, but Type I/II or false positive/negative just doesn't hook intuitively. Rote memory, ISTM.
  85. About 30 years ago I was very nearly killed by the cops because I was “acting suspiciously,” from the POV of a quite reasonably freaked out female 7-11 clerk, and I “matched the description” of an escaped convict in the area who had already killed three people in two days, one of them a cop.

    So I’m standing there looking at paperbacks in the 7-11 and I suddenly have a shotgun barrel in the back of my head. If I’d twitched the wrong way, my brains would have been all over the stock. They also were not in the least gentle about taking me down and cuffing me.

    After about 10 minutes to establish my identity, they let me up and uncuffed me. But nobody apologized (to me). I went over and tried to apologize to the hysterical clerk for unintentionally freaking her out, but she was melting down too much to even notice.

    I’m white, but in today’s world if this happened to a black man, I assume it would be national news and evidence of white racism by the cops.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    It's evidence of at least one cop acting stupidly, almost killing an innocent man.
  86. @HHSIII
    It's funny, you hear this stuff on NPR every day. And then they'll do a piece on Trump's tariffs, how bad they are (and how horrible border enforcement is). And you think, but shouldn't you be in favor of protecting workers' jobs, given your general political perspective on here (leaving aside why public radio should have a particular political bent)?

    It took me a long time to realize the race/gender/sexual identity stuff was just to sell the international corporate cartel agenda. The schedule will go something like: Show about white people calling cops to police public pool. Isn't that person awful and privileged? Next up, how US soybean farmers (cue heartland) or chinese workers are harmed by tariffs.

    Same with the Russia stuff. All of a sudden people who never trusted US intelligence services are all like, wow, what a traitor, Trump doesn't even trust the totally trustworthy CIA over Putin (personally, I think trump was just trying to be, you know, diplomatic, when asked a leading question in front of someone with whom he is engaged in diplomacy)? Similarly, Russia was more beloved by the left when run by actual totalitarian tyrants rather than a garden variety thug.

    I’m surprised that nobody appears to notice that Identity Politics is classic Divide and Conquer.

    As the international elite vacuums up more and more of the wealth and power, they encourage the rest of us to turn on each other, based on the standard Identity Politics divisors.

    Otherwise we might get together and turn on the international elite.

  87. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    OT: Can't vouch for the validity of the study, but it seems in line with other research. Anyway, looks like France will be at least 20% Muslim someday even if you stopped immigration tomorrow and birthrates equalized, neither of which are going to happen.

    https://www.defendevropa.org/2018/islam/20-percent-french-newborns-muslim/

    Twenty percent of babies born in France have Muslim names. Indeed, the figure could be slightly higher because the study only looks at common Muslim names.

    So even under a very good case scenario - reducing Muslim immigration to zero over the next decade and slowly equalizing birth rates - the Muslim percent of births would likely increase to, let's say 25% (probably 30%), and then level off. Of course, there are the Africans as well who are maybe around 5% to 8% of births. (I have no idea. That seems reasonably conservative.)

    Basicallly, it's baked in the pie today that France will someday be ~25% Muslim and 5% to 10% other non-Europeans. That will happen. Not a projection. Reality on the ground. Indeed, those figures could easily be much higher.

    Can a 25% Muslim (and 10% African) France work? I suppose, but that seems about as high as you can go before day-to-day life starts to break down. I honestly can't see a 35% Muslim/10% African France functioning very well, but who knows.

    I think you are underestimating the reality here. Birth rates are such that I’ll bet in 20 years there are as many Muslim grandchildren as there are white French grandchildren.

    The Muslims retirement plan is for his 10 kids and 20 grand-kids to take care of him.

    France as we knew it will no longer exist in our life times……..IMHO……Just ask the Paris of the middle east how this all plays out……..France will be no different.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    I was trying to be extremely conservative. My best guess is that Muslim children make up ~22% of French births, with non-Muslim Africans coming in ~7%. So damn near a third of your future young people are civilization destroyers. That's a lot.

    I'm guessing that Muslim and Africans birthrates are probably in the ballpark of 3.0 vs. 1.8 or so for native French. It's likely that this gap will persist for at least another decade or two. This alone would move Muslim birth up to nearly 30% of all births over time with Africans coming in ~10%.

    That's seems quite likely.

    Then there's immigration. France seems to have pretty low immigration, but even low immigration of almost all men between 20 and 35 will change your demographics. Let's say France keeps immigration down to 40,000 people, again mostly young men. If those men are allowed to bring over wives and have children, that would easily increase the Muslim/African percent of births by 0.5% to 1.0% a year. Even going with the low end of 0.5% a year, that's an additional five percentage points in a decade or ten percentage points in 20 years.

    Best conservative guess is that Muslim births account for 30% to 40% of all births in France in 20 years (one way or the other) with non-Muslim African births accounting for 10% to 15%. So best case scenario for France in 20 years is that the combined births of Muslims and non-Muslim Africans account for 40%, the middle course is ~47% and the bad case scenario (though not out of the question at all) is 55%.

    It's just difficult to see how France would let this happen, but, then again, 25 years ago, I wouldn't have believed that Muslims would make up at least 20% of births in France with non-Muslim Africans account for 5% to 10%. That would have been unimaginable. Yet here it is.

    Regardless, I'm having a tough time seeing how a 40% Muslim/black African France functions. Maybe, it's possible. But there's no way that a 50% Muslim/black African France would be stable. Might be time to start thinking about getting France to ditch its nuclear weapons.
  88. @Anonym

    But thinking statistically is hard. The distinction between Type I and Type II errors was only invented by Jerzy Neyman and Egon Pearson between the Wars. (And we still need a better mnemonic name than Type I/Type II.)
     
    You did mention the better name for those errors - false positives and false negatives.

    I don’t think we need another name. When I taught statistics I always used the real terms. There are only a few concepts in first semester statistics but the “Neyman-Pearson Lemma” is one of them. If you take stat in some benighted sociology department the text will save the ears of the poor little dears from all that terribly upsetting math terminology.

    Last week here I recommended that everyone make Algebra I twice. The same is true for statistics.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational

    Last week here I recommended that everyone make Algebra I twice.
     
    Does calculus count as the second pass, with added material?  I'd say physics does it for calculus, because you're learning how all that stuff applies to the real world.  The AP curriculum of teaching them in parallel seems to work well.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Last week here I recommended that everyone make Algebra I twice. The same is true for statistics.
     
    Agree.
    , @Anon

    Last week here I recommended that everyone make Algebra I twice. The same is true for statistics.
     
    I missed this. Could you state (or restate) the rationale(s) behind both recommendations?
  89. @Thomas

    Instead, white women are finding themselves pretty far down the intersectional totem pole. For instance, The New York Times has printed the racial slur “Becky” three times over the past five weeks while demeaning white women.
     
    The Beckys lost their seat in the Coalition of the Fringes when one of them lost to Trump and the rest voted for him 52-48%.

    You might think that in the #MeToo era, women’s worries about their personal security would be viewed at least somewhat sympathetically.
     
    I think #MeToo is best viewed as mostly backlash against the unholy bargain at the center of the Clinton family and the sexual politics in the liberal project more generally. The predation of male liberals and Democrats like Bill Clinton and Harvey Weinstein was accepted as long as things were sailing smoothly politically. The unstated reason why Hillary deserved the Presidency was that she'd put up with being married to Bill, and in fact was another of his defenders. When that tolerance didn't deliver results, it was open season on the liberal leches.

    “When that tolerance didn’t deliver results, it was open season on the liberal leches.” Blacks and Hispanics surely look at the record and are fed up. Might be easy to assume for them that White Democrats won’t win the White House ever again. Record is, only a Black man won for them since Bill Clinton. Not even Hillary could win. Going further back beyond the loser Gore, not Du-Caca, not Mondale nor Humphrey could win. Carter was an aberration. Been going on a long time this. If I’m a Black Democrat looking at how Hillary blew it, I’d be wanting White folks out of the Democrat Party too.

    As for White feminists that used racism to bludgeon White men for forty-plus years to their own profit I say, just desserts. They were always more racist than I. They never served with Blacks in the military, nor in construction, nor in the trades. They do everything they can to stay away from Blacks at work, the neighborhoods they choose for the ‘good schools’, at the country club. They don’t know Good Blacks from Bad Blacks because they’ve never been around ANY Blacks. They’ve had a free ride. Yet only White MEN are racist. All this nonsense comes from the Feminists of Academia. Turns out they’re the most egregious racists, heh. Hilarious also, they’re losing privilege to chicks with dicks. It just gets better and better, doesn’t it?.

    Well, my pointing it out never did me any good. And so, good for Blacks and Hispanics noticing that White Feminist Democrats are racist. Feminists are already feeling the ‘pick-a-side” syndrome anyway, they were helpful to Trump. All those racist feminists have to go somewhere when the Democrat Party doesn’t want them anymore. I did.

  90. @Svigor
    The article fits well with the overall impression that the establishment/left are slowly coming out of the totalitarian/gulag/genocide closet.

    They were always like this (see white flight). We just have access to alternative sources of information so now we can see their evil.

  91. @International Jew
    A Type 2 error that made history. Airport ticket agent meets 9/11 hijackers:

    "I got an immediate chill in my stomach as soon as I looked at him," he said. "I said to myself, if this guy doesn’t look like an Arab terrorist, nobody does."
     
    https://www.pressherald.com/2011/08/25/michael-tuohey-september-11-hijackers-atta-alomari-portland-jetport-maine/

    A week prior to the 9/11 attack, James Woods saw 2 of the attackers on a trial run on the same flight from Boston, and alerted authorities. The FBI ignored it. Another Type 2 error.

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/out-of-the-woods-2/

  92. White women are going to more often end up in stories like this because because moms care about what’s going on in their community. Guys with no dependents could give a rat’s ass. (Women with no dependents actually care a little too though.)

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    I haven’t found permanently childless women to give much of a damn about developments that affect other people and their children’s safety, rights, culture, and future.

    This includes a longtime former boss and one of my own sisters. That sister has even said, in reference to the decline and alien colonization of our country, “why would I worry about that, I’ll be gone.” I said, “because a decent person cares about what happens to his family and his nation, not just about himself during his life.” No response. Yeah, we get along real well these days.
    , @RadicalCenter
    I haven’t found permanently childless women to give much of a damn about developments that affect other people and their children’s safety, rights, culture, and future.

    This includes a longtime former boss and one of my own sisters. That sister has even said, in reference to the decline and alien colonization of our country, “why would I worry about that, I’ll be gone.” I said, “because a decent person cares about what happens to his family and his nation, not just about himself during his life.” No response. Yeah, we get along real well these days.
  93. @CCZ
    The Root tells us all that we need to know about black racism and the term Becky.

    Becky: (noun); a white woman who uses her privilege as a weapon, a ladder or an excuse. What started as a controversial term for fellatio has blossomed into an all-encompassing term for a specific class of white women.

    https://www.theroot.com/the-five-types-of-becky-1798543210
     
    An example of using the word in a sentence: "Tiny Duck was probably rejected by every Becky that he ever met."

    I must not move in the right circles. I don’t understand what ‘Becky’ has to do with fellatio.

    It has been my experience that prior to the Clinton Administration few men dared to ask a woman for fellatio but afterwards no woman ever refused and most took the initiative. No Democrat save perhaps FDR had so much impact in the last century.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    Becky = Blowjob. Urban slang. Far less clever than Cockney Rhyming Slang.

    But you're right, no man ever asked for "fellatio"...
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson

    It has been my experience that prior to the Clinton Administration few men dared to ask a woman for fellatio but afterwards no woman ever refused and most took the initiative. No Democrat save perhaps FDR had so much impact in the last century.
     
    ROTFL! And painfully so. ;-)
  94. @Prof. Woland
    During ww2 every country had a stereotypical name for its people given by others. Russians were all Ivan's, the Brits were Tommy's, the Germans Fritz's and Fritizies, etc. Jews where Rebecca's and something else for the men (cannot remember). I don't think that was ever shortened to Becky however.

    I think it was Abraham for Jewish men.

  95. According to Urban Dictionary, “Becky” refers to 1) a snobby white girl, but more commonly 2) the act of fellatio (from rapper Plies).

    I’ve heard Millennial white guys more often use “Betty”, which is overall an accolade, referring to a white girl who is pretty, socially powerful, desirable, cheerful, and likable who appreciates the good things in life. (Oder women don’t like this word, because it shuts them out. Girls don’t like it because they don’t want boys to have the power to judge them (they’re secretly flattered)).

    I’m really doubtful that anyone will be knocking white women down the totem pole of privilege anytime soon. The NYT knows who its primary audience is, as does the publishing industry in general, and most daytime television. Other groups may gain some temporary fashion, like gays or transgenders or even blacks, but sooner or later the outrage is dialed back because, come on, we know who the real entitled group is – i.e., white women.

    Otherwise, they will take their time, attention – and money – elsewhere. To where they are treated right.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    I’m really doubtful that anyone will be knocking white women down the totem pole of privilege anytime soon.
     
    We've been at the bottom of the totem pole for a long time now.
    , @Forbes

    The NYT knows who its primary audience is, as does the publishing industry in general, and television.
     
    FIFY.
    , @Anonymous
    I'm a millennial and have never actually heard anyone use the term "Betty," which I assume comes from the Betty and Veronica in Archie comics; Betty's the blonde one. I have only seen it used in social media and the on-line world in general.
    Ditto with "Becky." I've read it on-line but have never actually heard anyone use it.
    I'd also never heard of the "Baby Got Back" video until reading about it here. It was apparently popular when I was about 7 years old, and is of a music genre I have no interest in.
    I also have never heard a blow job called a "Becky." I guess that's black slang that has infiltrated social media.
    The most common euphemism I have heard IRL for it is a "milky." There was even a popular drinking song about milkies when I was in college (I mean an actual song that people sang, not a commercial song). In it, girls who give milkies were referred to as "girls," not Bettys or Beckys or even chicks. Just girls. In any case, guys are not shy about simply saying "blow job," especially when they want one, which is basically whenever they are conscious.
    I think a lot of this slang is limited to on-line interactions. Recently, I've noticed that dogs are now referred to on social media as "goodboys." Not long ago, they were called "furbabies." But I've never actually heard anyone utter either term. It's part of the on-line world. Outside of a cell phone or laptop, a dog is just a dog.
  96. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    OT: Can't vouch for the validity of the study, but it seems in line with other research. Anyway, looks like France will be at least 20% Muslim someday even if you stopped immigration tomorrow and birthrates equalized, neither of which are going to happen.

    https://www.defendevropa.org/2018/islam/20-percent-french-newborns-muslim/

    Twenty percent of babies born in France have Muslim names. Indeed, the figure could be slightly higher because the study only looks at common Muslim names.

    So even under a very good case scenario - reducing Muslim immigration to zero over the next decade and slowly equalizing birth rates - the Muslim percent of births would likely increase to, let's say 25% (probably 30%), and then level off. Of course, there are the Africans as well who are maybe around 5% to 8% of births. (I have no idea. That seems reasonably conservative.)

    Basicallly, it's baked in the pie today that France will someday be ~25% Muslim and 5% to 10% other non-Europeans. That will happen. Not a projection. Reality on the ground. Indeed, those figures could easily be much higher.

    Can a 25% Muslim (and 10% African) France work? I suppose, but that seems about as high as you can go before day-to-day life starts to break down. I honestly can't see a 35% Muslim/10% African France functioning very well, but who knows.

    At least France has a lotta lotta space, but I was surprised to find so many Africans in the towns on my last visit. Carcassonne has quite a few, although there are plenty of smaller unenriched (i.e. French) towns in the surrounding country, full of familiar wine names like Minervois, Corbieres and Fitou.

  97. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    OT: Can't vouch for the validity of the study, but it seems in line with other research. Anyway, looks like France will be at least 20% Muslim someday even if you stopped immigration tomorrow and birthrates equalized, neither of which are going to happen.

    https://www.defendevropa.org/2018/islam/20-percent-french-newborns-muslim/

    Twenty percent of babies born in France have Muslim names. Indeed, the figure could be slightly higher because the study only looks at common Muslim names.

    So even under a very good case scenario - reducing Muslim immigration to zero over the next decade and slowly equalizing birth rates - the Muslim percent of births would likely increase to, let's say 25% (probably 30%), and then level off. Of course, there are the Africans as well who are maybe around 5% to 8% of births. (I have no idea. That seems reasonably conservative.)

    Basicallly, it's baked in the pie today that France will someday be ~25% Muslim and 5% to 10% other non-Europeans. That will happen. Not a projection. Reality on the ground. Indeed, those figures could easily be much higher.

    Can a 25% Muslim (and 10% African) France work? I suppose, but that seems about as high as you can go before day-to-day life starts to break down. I honestly can't see a 35% Muslim/10% African France functioning very well, but who knows.

    Well I hope I’m wrong but there is also genocide. Maybe the French will simply kill them. We learned in the Algerian War that the French can be quite nasty. If Steve is right about his “most important graph” we may have a move in several liberal and civilized nations to study Nazi death technology.

    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Yeah, that's not going to happen. I can see European countries severely clamping down on immigration and basically cutting off all non-European immigration. But even if they do that - and I hope that they do - they are still looking at very sizable Muslim and non-Muslim African populations.

    My point is that they're running out of time. In another decade or two, they're Muslim and African populations will so large that it will threaten their ability to have a functioning society even if they stop all immigration at that point.

    France and Germany (and probably England) have to act now. They are importing groups that destroy civilizations.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    the French can be quite nasty.

    Indeed. From Wikipedia:

    The Paris massacre of 1961 occurred on 17 October 1961, during the Algerian War (1954–62). Under orders from the head of the Parisian police, Maurice Papon, the French National Police attacked a demonstration of some 30,000 pro-National Liberation Front (FLN) Algerians. After 37 years of denial and censorship of the press, in 1998 the French government finally acknowledged 40 deaths, although there are estimates of 100 to 300 victims. Death was due to heavy-handed beating by the police, as well as massive drownings, as police officers threw demonstrators in the river Seine.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_massacre_of_1961
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson

    We learned in the Algerian War that the French can be quite nasty.
     
    Not nasty enough to win the war.
    , @Anonymous

    We learned in the Algerian War that the French can be quite nasty.
     
    The is no "the French" any longer. The ethnic group "French" has effectively gone extinct.
  98. AMSTERDAM (Reuters) –

    Dutch Foreign Minister Stef Blok defended himself on Wednesday after coming under fire for saying multi-cultural societies could never be peaceful, and former colony Suriname was a “failed state” because of its diverse ethnic makeup.

    “Give me an example of a multi-ethnic, multi-cultural society, where the indigenous population still live… where they live in a peaceful, societal union,” Blok told a gathering of Dutch employees of international organizations. “I don’t know of any.”

    Someone in the audience suggested Surniame, a former Dutch colony on South America’s Atlantic northern coast populated mainly by the descendants of Asian indentured workers, African slaves and indigenous people.

    “I admire your optimism,” he replied. “Suriname is a failed state and that is very much linked to its ethnic composition.”

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-nato-voters/nearly-half-of-americans-link-defense-of-nato-to-allies-spending-reuters-ipsos-poll-idUSKBN1K82QK

  99. @Bill P
    There's a grain of truth to this problem. A lot of people, and probably especially white women, do call the authorities over trivial things.

    Busybody behavior should not be encouraged, and I'd argue that unless someone is being a real pain in the rear it's best not to bother them.

    Just a few weeks ago I had to deal with one of these types at work. She seemed to think I wasn't allowed to vape while on break, even though I was well past the required 25 feet from the door. She got so aggressive and hostile, even shoving her iPhone in my face to film me, that I ended up calling security on her. She then beat a hasty retreat and jumped in the nearest cab.

    Later, when I saw the cabbie who gave her a ride, I asked who she was. He said she was a California civil servant who owns property up here (apparently she blabs a lot). He offered, unprompted, to give me her address (it's always a bad idea to mess with people at their workplace - people who work together tend to close ranks). I declined, but if I were a black guy and so inclined I could have gotten her in some hot water.

    I have to wonder why all these petty female functionaries, most of whom do appear to be white, feel it's their job to enforce every trivial rule, whether existent or not. However, I also deplore the use of social media to settle scores for such non-issues. I think both sides need to learn a lesson here.

    There’s a grain of truth to this problem. A lot of people, and probably especially white women, do call the authorities over trivial things.

    Busybody behavior should not be encouraged, and I’d argue that unless someone is being a real pain in the rear it’s best not to bother them.

    OK, from here on out, women who make busybody calls will be called “Gladys” after the “Gladys Kravitz” character on Bewitched.

    Adam may ruin everything, but NJGuy fixes it all.

  100. @International Jew
    A Type 2 error that made history. Airport ticket agent meets 9/11 hijackers:

    "I got an immediate chill in my stomach as soon as I looked at him," he said. "I said to myself, if this guy doesn’t look like an Arab terrorist, nobody does."
     
    https://www.pressherald.com/2011/08/25/michael-tuohey-september-11-hijackers-atta-alomari-portland-jetport-maine/

    Good example. I had forgotten about that.

  101. @IHTG
    Obama goes anti-SJW?

    https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1019233996943683591
    https://twitter.com/MarkRichardson2/status/1017017104543830017

    I saw him give a speech back in 2005; he criticized the ethnic self-segregation of minority college students even then. This sort of thing seems to have been a pet peeve of his for a while.

    It’s also worth remembering, as Chris Rock pointed out, that Mr. Obama’s a pretty white guy himself by some standards.

  102. @Anon7
    According to Urban Dictionary, "Becky" refers to 1) a snobby white girl, but more commonly 2) the act of fellatio (from rapper Plies).

    I've heard Millennial white guys more often use "Betty", which is overall an accolade, referring to a white girl who is pretty, socially powerful, desirable, cheerful, and likable who appreciates the good things in life. (Oder women don't like this word, because it shuts them out. Girls don't like it because they don't want boys to have the power to judge them (they're secretly flattered)).

    I'm really doubtful that anyone will be knocking white women down the totem pole of privilege anytime soon. The NYT knows who its primary audience is, as does the publishing industry in general, and most daytime television. Other groups may gain some temporary fashion, like gays or transgenders or even blacks, but sooner or later the outrage is dialed back because, come on, we know who the real entitled group is - i.e., white women.

    Otherwise, they will take their time, attention - and money - elsewhere. To where they are treated right.

    I’m really doubtful that anyone will be knocking white women down the totem pole of privilege anytime soon.

    We’ve been at the bottom of the totem pole for a long time now.

  103. dwb says:
    @Bill P
    There's a grain of truth to this problem. A lot of people, and probably especially white women, do call the authorities over trivial things.

    Busybody behavior should not be encouraged, and I'd argue that unless someone is being a real pain in the rear it's best not to bother them.

    Just a few weeks ago I had to deal with one of these types at work. She seemed to think I wasn't allowed to vape while on break, even though I was well past the required 25 feet from the door. She got so aggressive and hostile, even shoving her iPhone in my face to film me, that I ended up calling security on her. She then beat a hasty retreat and jumped in the nearest cab.

    Later, when I saw the cabbie who gave her a ride, I asked who she was. He said she was a California civil servant who owns property up here (apparently she blabs a lot). He offered, unprompted, to give me her address (it's always a bad idea to mess with people at their workplace - people who work together tend to close ranks). I declined, but if I were a black guy and so inclined I could have gotten her in some hot water.

    I have to wonder why all these petty female functionaries, most of whom do appear to be white, feel it's their job to enforce every trivial rule, whether existent or not. However, I also deplore the use of social media to settle scores for such non-issues. I think both sides need to learn a lesson here.

    Bill:

    while I tend to agree with you that people call in mommy and daddy (i.e., the cops or HR) over the most trivial of crimes, and that we all would be better off if we could sort these things out ourselves, one of the problems with this has been hinted at already.

    In “the old days,” people had a lot more respect for other people. Put another way, the word “iPod” has “i” as its first letter not by accident.

    In my old neighbourhood in San Jose, California, it has become “custom” on the fourth of July for some of the more recent arrivals to set off illegal fireworks in the area. A video made the rounds of an idiot running out into stopped traffic and lighting them off.

    On the local social media page, someone complained about this moron, and there were multiple people who responded about how “this is what it is to live in an urban area” or “if you do not like diverse culture, move to Wisconsin.”

    I like fireworks as much as the next guy, but California is basically a desert climate, and shooting off fireworks – especially in a street – where the houses have shake roofs is just plain stupid. What sane person wants his house burnt down by a drunken idiot “celebrating” in a way that fits his “vibrant culture?” (Yes. The word “vibrant” appeared.)

    We should live and let live, but Howard Beale was right. We put up with “youths” speeding through the streets with loud, obnoxious “music” at all hours. We think it’s racist to complain about “side shows”. People leave tons of litter or put their filthy feet on the seats of our buses or “tag” walls.

    The culture gets more obnoxious with every accepted violation of trivial rules.

    No one says anything, and so the lowest common denominator rules.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @U-Bahn

    California is basically a desert climate
     
    dwb,
    It only takes one idiot to start a conflagration.

    Steve,
    This just in from a visitor to your area. There was a thunderstorm over Santa Monica early Wednesday. The rain amused tourists at 3rd Street Promenade until they noticed that it also rinsed off the sidewalks of all the urine. European visitors expect better from a city that inspired them from miles away. Civilized visitors hope and pray that Southern California is not adopting more San Francisco habits. :/
  104. sorry that I cannot (off the cuff) recite the numerical details – but this question is why we are not allowed to notice the demographics of the AIDS epidemic.

    In the western world, it is ONLY in two subpopulations – male-homosexuals and injecting drug users….. that the false-positive rate of the HIV-seroconversion testing falls below the ACTUAL prevalence.

    If you’re a straight male, the odds that a “positive” result on a test are actually meaningful, is more or less a coin toss. It is as likely to be a “false positive” as a “true positive”

    • Replies: @ATate
    Actually Black people are among the highest infection rates. Black Gay and Bisexual men have the highest rate of new HIV/AIDS infections in this country.

    https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/msm/bmsm.html

    Black/African Americana gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men are more affected by HIV than any other group in the United States. In 2016, African American gay and bisexual men accounted for 26% (10,223) of the 39,782 new HIV diagnoses in the United States.

    And the black women aren't having much luck either;

    "The number of HIV diagnoses among African American women fell 20%, though it is still high compared to women of other races/ethnicities. In 2016, 4,560 African American women received an HIV diagnosis, compared with 1,450 white women and 1,168 Hispanic/Latina women."

    Overall;

    "Blacks/African Americans account for a higher proportion of new HIV diagnoses, those living with HIV, and those who have ever received an AIDS diagnosis, compared to other races/ethnicities. In 2016, African Americans accounted for 44% of HIV diagnoses, though they comprise 12% of the U.S. population"
    , @Forbes

    If you’re a straight male, the odds that a “positive” result on a test are actually meaningful, is more or less a coin toss.
     
    Well, that's a dramatic improvement from when the HIV test was introduced, when false positives exceeded the true rate of infection. Though I have a feeling the improvement is due to better screening before administering the test. In the '80s and '90s the media actually claimed that everyone was at risk--heteros as much as homos--supposedly to reduce stigma. The result were many straight people at no risk of infection being tested and having a false positive result returned.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    The good news is that there are a lot more interesting ailments in the pipeline - stuff caused by HPV and chlamydia.

    Now in the UK they're vaccinating girls against HPV as fast as they can, but they've only been doing it for less than a decade, and started with a vaccine against only 2 types of HPV, now they do a 4-strain vaccine, though the latest like Gardasil-9 covers 9 types.

    But there are a LOT of people not covered, and as the Chads plough their way through the female population and increased divorce/separation rates bring a new supply of carousel riders, we find that

    Rates of mouth cancer, especially tongue and tonsil cancers, are on the increase, particularly in people in their 40s, 50s and 60s.
     
    Chlamydia is increasingly prevalent, and the UK NHS recommends under-25s get tested "every year, or when you change partners" - which for some people might mean every week or so.

    Mycoplasma genitalium is another new entrant to the field - like chlamydia, it's thought to cause infertility, and like chlamydia and gonhorrea it's increasingly drug-resistant.

    In associated cheerful news, the population least likely to be affected by STI-caused infertility is the most fertile population - Muslim women.
  105. @interesting
    I think you are underestimating the reality here. Birth rates are such that I'll bet in 20 years there are as many Muslim grandchildren as there are white French grandchildren.

    The Muslims retirement plan is for his 10 kids and 20 grand-kids to take care of him.

    France as we knew it will no longer exist in our life times........IMHO......Just ask the Paris of the middle east how this all plays out........France will be no different.

    I was trying to be extremely conservative. My best guess is that Muslim children make up ~22% of French births, with non-Muslim Africans coming in ~7%. So damn near a third of your future young people are civilization destroyers. That’s a lot.

    I’m guessing that Muslim and Africans birthrates are probably in the ballpark of 3.0 vs. 1.8 or so for native French. It’s likely that this gap will persist for at least another decade or two. This alone would move Muslim birth up to nearly 30% of all births over time with Africans coming in ~10%.

    That’s seems quite likely.

    Then there’s immigration. France seems to have pretty low immigration, but even low immigration of almost all men between 20 and 35 will change your demographics. Let’s say France keeps immigration down to 40,000 people, again mostly young men. If those men are allowed to bring over wives and have children, that would easily increase the Muslim/African percent of births by 0.5% to 1.0% a year. Even going with the low end of 0.5% a year, that’s an additional five percentage points in a decade or ten percentage points in 20 years.

    Best conservative guess is that Muslim births account for 30% to 40% of all births in France in 20 years (one way or the other) with non-Muslim African births accounting for 10% to 15%. So best case scenario for France in 20 years is that the combined births of Muslims and non-Muslim Africans account for 40%, the middle course is ~47% and the bad case scenario (though not out of the question at all) is 55%.

    It’s just difficult to see how France would let this happen, but, then again, 25 years ago, I wouldn’t have believed that Muslims would make up at least 20% of births in France with non-Muslim Africans account for 5% to 10%. That would have been unimaginable. Yet here it is.

    Regardless, I’m having a tough time seeing how a 40% Muslim/black African France functions. Maybe, it’s possible. But there’s no way that a 50% Muslim/black African France would be stable. Might be time to start thinking about getting France to ditch its nuclear weapons.

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    On the nuclear weapons issue, Great Britain should probably ditch its Trident subs, which are very expensive and seem accident prone. Even the United States ought to think long and hard about maintaining a nuclear capacity as it becomes less and less white. South Africa dismantled both its nuclear weapons and its nuclear weapons capacity before handing the country over to the ANC. Other nuclear weapons states should follow the same course of action.
    , @dwb
    I don't know the specific numbers, and France famously makes it illegal to track this sort of data.

    We used to live in France (in Paris), and the idea that France will be predominantly Muslim is not going to happen. People from the Maghreb (how French typically refer to the demographic) are going to continue to make a larger share.

    An estimate a couple of years ago by the Pew Research group pegged the number to be about 13% in 2050 even if no more Muslims immigrated:

    http://www.pewforum.org/2017/11/29/europes-growing-muslim-population/pf_11-29-17_muslims-update-21/

    With higher rates, that figure rises to 18%

    http://www.pewforum.org/2017/11/29/europes-growing-muslim-population/pf_11-29-17_muslims-update-23/

    You can take or leave this figure, and it ignores non-Muslim African immigrants.

    How France would or would not function is an interesting question. When we were living in Paris, a quite controversial book (Soumission) was published by the controversial author Michel Houellebecq. Muslims need not be a majority or even a large minority for some "unexpected" outcomes.

    Due to the nature of elections in France, with a two-rounds system, if a Muslim could somehow gain the lead of one of the parties, and by a series of events find himself facing off as the alternative to the Front National, he could hypothetically be elected.
    , @RadicalCenter
    Yes, and demographic change in a town or region is often not linear. As the younger, more aggressive, intimidating, violent group grows — Muslims and Africans — it becomes more confident.

    Conversely, as the other group keeps dwindling and growing older — white Frenchmen — it suffers more physical attacks, more intimidation, and more cruelty, and thus becomes more afraid and anxious, justifiably. Inevitably, a tipping point is reached and flight out of the region and even out of the country will accelerate drastically.

    Look for large numbers of the French to be bidding against Swedes, English, Germans, and Dutch for property in Poland, Hungary, and even Russia if they’re allowed residency. And not just for retirement, either. Smart Western and Central Europeans will have their kids learning Russian, Polish, or the like, so they have a better chance of winning permanent residency, a college admission, an internship, a job in the country to which they seek to flee as their former countries become hostile foreign places.
  106. @IHTG
    Obama goes anti-SJW?

    https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1019233996943683591
    https://twitter.com/MarkRichardson2/status/1017017104543830017

    I will off myself when Obama publicly declares that people are allowed to have thoughts, ideas, ideals or beliefs that are different than his.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    Joe--Don't take the bait. There's no telling what Obama might say. He's covered the waterfront on too many topics.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson

    I will off myself when Obama publicly declares that people are allowed to have thoughts, ideas, ideals or beliefs that are different than his.
     
    Don't do it Joe. It is multi-dimensionally wrong.
    , @Cindy
    Careful, dude. You're talking about the guy who publicly declared both "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor." and "You're likeable enough, Hillary."

    He'll publicly declare most anything, if it gets him what he wants.
  107. @Jake
    The heart of the matter: "It’s particularly noteworthy that white women are the designated villains in many of these media morality plays. You might think that in the #MeToo era, women’s worries about their personal security would be viewed at least somewhat sympathetically.

    Instead, white women are finding themselves pretty far down the intersectional totem pole. For instance, The New York Times has printed the racial slur “Becky” three times over the past five weeks while demeaning white women."


    Many years ago, in partial frustration, I told a small of PhD students girls, each of them decidedly Leftist, each one determined to damn white men for all the problems they could see in black America (they were not looking at the world) that they better make good use of their being temporarily seen as poor, innocent victims of people like me, because at some point, if we were not to roll, back the insanities of the Left's affirmative action type making blacks a sacred cow race of eternal innocent victims, that white women would become the target too, because, as every black man knew, the target was not the penis, but the white race. And not simply skin pigmentation but the cultural history.

    ” . . . [T]he target was not the penis, but the white race. And not simply skin pigmentation but the cultural history.”

    Jake, I’m afraid you’re right, at least in my judgment. The whole edifice of Euro-American “Whiteness” (for want of a better term) is at risk from “Blackitude”. Learning and discernment of all sorts, decorum in manner, speech, and deportment, achievement in the sciences and engineering, English literature, and on and on.

    Your comment had me thinking of the truly pathetic legacy White guy in a 90% Black and Hispanic Eastern city who is wealthy enough and still too important to be ignored to be allowed to pop up from time to time to deliver important-sounding talks about the peopling of his area in the 1600s. Does he really believe anyone gives a damn?

  108. @Pat Boyle
    Well I hope I'm wrong but there is also genocide. Maybe the French will simply kill them. We learned in the Algerian War that the French can be quite nasty. If Steve is right about his "most important graph" we may have a move in several liberal and civilized nations to study Nazi death technology.

    Yeah, that’s not going to happen. I can see European countries severely clamping down on immigration and basically cutting off all non-European immigration. But even if they do that – and I hope that they do – they are still looking at very sizable Muslim and non-Muslim African populations.

    My point is that they’re running out of time. In another decade or two, they’re Muslim and African populations will so large that it will threaten their ability to have a functioning society even if they stop all immigration at that point.

    France and Germany (and probably England) have to act now. They are importing groups that destroy civilizations.

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    I'd certainly add Sweden to your list and possibly Belgium and the Netherlands. If there is hope, it lies in the East.
    , @Pat Boyle
    I wouldn't be so sure that we can know the future. It used to be that before WWII most educated people understood that lots of people got killed in war. But until we found out what the Nazis had been up to, few understood the possibility of actual genocide. For some time many refused to believe it. Then historians began to put the Nazi policies in perspective. Other nations in other conflicts we realized had also systematically exterminated whole populations not in fighting but is a deliberate policy of genocide.

    For a while there some Jews refused to acknowledge these other genocides. They wanted to think that the Nazi-Jewish holocaust was a uniquely horrible event in human history. But it wasn't. It was just the best advertised. When we became sensitized to the possibility, we began to see similar events with the Armenians, the Ukrainians, the Tutsi and many populations in the communist states.

    Nowadays we have institutions and policies that hope to eliminate all genocides. But we as a civilization are not really now under any pressure. If, as so many here worry, that Third World, Muslim and African immigration accelerates - the pressure will rise. Genocide may very well come back into fashion. It's the obvious solution to too many people.
    , @Corvinus
    "In another decade or two, they’re Muslim and African populations will so large that it will threaten their ability to have a functioning society even if they stop all immigration at that point."

    That is an overblown generalization.

    "France and Germany (and probably England) have to act now. They are importing groups that destroy civilizations."

    Well, I suppose, it's a matter of Invade The World, Invite The World coming full circle. Europeans, due to their inherent nature to pillage and plunder, as evident by the colonization endeavors and imperialistic entrepreneurship, gimmedats and freestuff for their own posterity. Talk about whole destruction of civilizations!

    When the native people had enough of European chicanery and shenanigans post-World War II, the Europeans reluctantly left, and in the process failing miserably to ensure stability and tranquility in a number of areas that they had dominated. Now, non-Europeans who endured the European wrath are seeking refuge. But this phenomenon is other than surprising, as it is just the nature of human beings, but in particular European stock.
  109. res says:
    @IHTG
    Obama goes anti-SJW?

    https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1019233996943683591
    https://twitter.com/MarkRichardson2/status/1017017104543830017

    Obama goes anti-SJW?

    Nah, probably just finally realizing he and the SJWs overstepped and going back to his oh so reasonable 2008 election rhetoric updated a bit for the current year. Now that it does not matter what he does. Crusader Obama will be back either post-election or once he again feels the battle is in the bag.

  110. Win White Women Voters On Open Borders Mass Immigration

    The Democrat Party Pushes Nation-Wrecking Open Borders Mass Immigration

  111. res says:
    @JackOH
    Ach, there goes Steve again with his persnickety "noticing", and his erudite references.

    BTW-I heard something on the radio this weekend that seemed at first extraordinary to me. Whites commit suicide at a higher rate than Blacks, something like a factor of 2.5. Explanations were offered, one by a Black woman who said something that astounded me, and I'll try to get the wording as closely as I can from memory:

    "Blacks are conditioned to believe the causes of their problems lie outside themselves."

    I tried to find a reference for the show (Radiolab?) but wasn't successful. The implication was left hanging, I think, that Blacks blame others for their failures, and therefore have less reason to off themselves.

    Is there anyone who knows about the Black-White suicide disparity and what it may mean?

    Is there anyone who knows about the Black-White suicide disparity and what it may mean?

    There is a fair amount written on this if you look around. From May: http://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/2679556/comparison-rates-firearm-nonfirearm-homicide-suicide-black-white-non-hispanic

    Results:
    During the 9-year study period, 84 113 homicides and 251 772 suicides occurred. Black–white differences in rates of firearm homicide and suicide varied widely across states. Relative to white men, black men had between 9 and 57 additional firearm homicides per 100 000 per year, with black men in Missouri, Michigan, Illinois, Indiana, and Pennsylvania having more than 40 additional firearm homicides per 100 000 per year. White men had between 2 fewer and 16 more firearm suicides per 100 000 per year, with the largest inequalities observed in southern and western states and the smallest in the District of Columbia and densely populated northeastern states.

    Note for those who want to remain maximally woke. Those non-Narrative compliant facts were followed within a week by a new spin: https://www.nimh.nih.gov/news/science-news/2018/age-related-racial-disparity-in-suicide-rates-among-us-youth.shtml

    New research suggests the suicide rate is roughly two times higher for black children ages 5-12 compared with white children of the same age group.

    Though reading down a little further we see:

    In contrast, the rate of suicide for black adolescents was half that of white adolescents; these results held when the data were analyzed by sex.

    In case anyone thinks I am being overly cynical, try searching for (without quotes) “black white suicide disparity” and see which of those fairly symmetrical facts earns the headlines.

    • Replies: @JackOH
    res--ouch! Why does it seem every particle of truth has its own constituency that feels the need to massage, spin, doctor, and otherwise squeeze itself into an Approved Narrative Template? I get it--always lead with Black victimization.

    Elsewhere, I've concealed what I've really wanted to say beneath a mess of gibberish and I've felt, alternately, very clever, spineless, exasperated and demoralized that truth needs to be artfully concealed if it's to stand a chance of being revealed at all. Samizdat thinking, maybe, as though censorship existed.

    This has me thinking of the back story to those two researchers (Angus Something or other?) who discovered the inordinate premature deaths of Whites, and were explicitly threatened because their work highlighted disproportionate White suffering. Whew!

  112. @Anonymous
    99% of the people I speak with never stop to think that the MSM are picking and choosing which stories they want to publicize, and that in a country of 330 million people they'll have no trouble finding a new story every day in support of Approved Narratives.

    ETA: OK, now I read the full article and that's the very point Steve made. What can I tell you, the man's a genius.

    in a country of 330 million people they’ll have no trouble finding a new story every day in support of Approved Narratives.

    It is amazing how even given that it seems to be incredibly hard to find Narrative compliant stories that hold up under any kind of close inspection.

  113. @AndrewR
    No. I think it's silly to say that white privilege doesn't exist.

    The left's dishonesty is not in shining a light on white privilege; it's in denying the existence of other forms of racial privilege, specifically Jewish privilege (with help from conservatives) and black privilege. Just like male privilege coexists with female privilege (which leftists tend to deny), white privilege coexists with other types of racial privilege.

    Really silly. If everyone has privilege–in their own way, male, female, white, black, gay, Jew, Muslim, whatever–then privilege doesn’t exist as a shared concept or meaning. It’s just a characteristic or attribute of a racial, ethnic, gender/sex, religion, creed, whatever stereotype.

  114. @TelfoedJohn
    'Becks' is slang in London for North London Jews, presumably because of the amount of Rebeccas. Here's the comedian Peter Cook on the becks:
    http://stabbers.truth.posiweb.net/stabbers/audio/rainbow/Pete_%20Cook_+_Battling%20Becks_+_The_Rainbow_Tapes_+_wwwDOTstabbersDOTorg.mp3

    Is it “the Becks” or “Becks”?

    What is the singular? “A Beck”?

    Is there an adjectival usage? “Beckish”

  115. @Karl
    sorry that I cannot (off the cuff) recite the numerical details - but this question is why we are not allowed to notice the demographics of the AIDS epidemic.

    In the western world, it is ONLY in two subpopulations - male-homosexuals and injecting drug users..... that the false-positive rate of the HIV-seroconversion testing falls below the ACTUAL prevalence.

    If you're a straight male, the odds that a "positive" result on a test are actually meaningful, is more or less a coin toss. It is as likely to be a "false positive" as a "true positive"

    Actually Black people are among the highest infection rates. Black Gay and Bisexual men have the highest rate of new HIV/AIDS infections in this country.

    https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/msm/bmsm.html

    Black/African Americana gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men are more affected by HIV than any other group in the United States. In 2016, African American gay and bisexual men accounted for 26% (10,223) of the 39,782 new HIV diagnoses in the United States.

    And the black women aren’t having much luck either;

    “The number of HIV diagnoses among African American women fell 20%, though it is still high compared to women of other races/ethnicities. In 2016, 4,560 African American women received an HIV diagnosis, compared with 1,450 white women and 1,168 Hispanic/Latina women.”

    Overall;

    “Blacks/African Americans account for a higher proportion of new HIV diagnoses, those living with HIV, and those who have ever received an AIDS diagnosis, compared to other races/ethnicities. In 2016, African Americans accounted for 44% of HIV diagnoses, though they comprise 12% of the U.S. population”

    • Agree: dwb
  116. @dearieme
    "Becky" as in Rebecca? A biblical name, isn't it? So not just racist but conceivably anti-semitic? Surely there must be some (non-absurd) white-girl names that are not of Jewish origin? Do you have no Fionas in the US? Or Æthelflæds? You must have Heidis.

    It’s shorthand for a white girl/woman–so of course it’s racialist.

    It’s only slightly different from the Irish referring to a lass as Sheila (Sheilagh, Shelagh, sp?)

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Think you're crossing wires a tad. Aussies/NZers use sheila to refer to the fairer sex (it is Irish in origin though - Síle is the Irish version of Cecelia). I think the word/name you're hunting for is cailín ("little girl"), which is Anglicized as Colleen.
  117. @IHTG
    Obama goes anti-SJW?

    https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1019233996943683591
    https://twitter.com/MarkRichardson2/status/1017017104543830017

    Load it into the TelePrompTer and Obama reads it–just words. Obama is just a blank slate (or a ghost) on which to superimpose your own thoughts and views. He didn’t govern on the basis of much he declared were his beliefs beforehand. or afterward as these remarks reflect.

    • Replies: @dwb
    Who put a question mark on the TelePrompTer? Burgundy *will* read *anything* that is put there....
    , @Pat Boyle
    I have a Teleprompter. I bought one on Amazon when I was making videos. There are two types; the first type are ones that come from the TelePrompTer company and their competitors. These are purpose-built devices that are used by the professionals. They are damn expensive.

    But you can now get a perfectly functional teleprompter with a standard seven or twelve inch tablet and a web cam (or any video camera). If you already have those devices you just buy the mirror thing-a-ma-bob (the actual teleprompter) for fifty or a hundred dollars or so and Bob's Your Uncle.

    Just write your text on the tablet and turn it on. The camera sits in the back viewing you through a tilted mirror. You see your text floating in the air directly in front of the camera lens. You are looking directly into the camera which gives a much better result than looking down or to the side.

    Everyone who makes videos should get one.
  118. @Lot
    I think Sir Mix a Lot was a one time thing, and Becky as a slur started about 5 years ago through social media.

    The most famous Becky on TV was from Roseanne, and the character is a mostly-cheerful and pretty all-American blonde. Since Roseanne never left syndication the whole time, it was another source of the association between the name and a pretty white girl.

    I doubt I had a single Becky or Rebecca in any of my mostly WWC schooling. By the 80s-born cohorts the name had lost favor outside maybe of Jewish areas.

    Lot, did I read that correctly — did you have a white working-class upbringing?

    One of the great things about the commenters here (for example, Buffalo Joe, slumber_j and Old Palo Altan come to mind) is their life experience from genuinely diverse points in America and beyond.

    I’ve noticed that some notable number of those who see through the Woke SWPL BS (for example, Lee Jussim and Toni Airaksinen, per their recent Tweets) have experienced some genuine hardship growing up, and can thus easily see all the Ivy League psychodrama for the play-acting that it is.

    Personally, my background is 100% generic SWPL Whitopia, and I attribute my enlightenment to moving to vibrantly diverse neighborhoods after college and realizing that Critical Theory didn’t quite make sense of it all.

  119. @black sea
    Hoping that this one will gain some media traction, but doubting that this will be the case because . . . Harvard:

    https://nypost.com/2018/07/16/video-shows-harvard-research-head-condescending-woman-biracial-child/

    I particularly enjoyed the preemptive grovelling: “I want to be accountable for my actions in a situation where I fell far short of my values and what I expect of myself,” Lund said. “This clearly wasn’t my best moment, and I have work to do to more consistently be my best self.”

    Textbook definition of self-abnegation…

  120. @Pat Boyle
    I don't think we need another name. When I taught statistics I always used the real terms. There are only a few concepts in first semester statistics but the "Neyman-Pearson Lemma" is one of them. If you take stat in some benighted sociology department the text will save the ears of the poor little dears from all that terribly upsetting math terminology.

    Last week here I recommended that everyone make Algebra I twice. The same is true for statistics.

    Last week here I recommended that everyone make Algebra I twice.

    Does calculus count as the second pass, with added material?  I’d say physics does it for calculus, because you’re learning how all that stuff applies to the real world.  The AP curriculum of teaching them in parallel seems to work well.

    • Replies: @Pat Boyle
    I taught calculus only once. I taught statistics many times. So I'm more comfortable in giving advice in that area. I knew that my stat students simply no longer remembered algebra. Students remember (I think) their America History or a lot of it. They remember Shakespeare and Victorian novels they had to read. They remember some of Economics or Chemistry too. But they seem to forget algebra the day after the final exam.

    Or maybe I'm wrong about all this. I taught a lot of different math and computer science classes but, much as a wanted to, I never taught history. Credentialism rules in the history departments. So I don't really know from my own experience.
  121. @dwb
    Bill:

    while I tend to agree with you that people call in mommy and daddy (i.e., the cops or HR) over the most trivial of crimes, and that we all would be better off if we could sort these things out ourselves, one of the problems with this has been hinted at already.

    In "the old days," people had a lot more respect for other people. Put another way, the word "iPod" has "i" as its first letter not by accident.

    In my old neighbourhood in San Jose, California, it has become "custom" on the fourth of July for some of the more recent arrivals to set off illegal fireworks in the area. A video made the rounds of an idiot running out into stopped traffic and lighting them off.

    On the local social media page, someone complained about this moron, and there were multiple people who responded about how "this is what it is to live in an urban area" or "if you do not like diverse culture, move to Wisconsin."

    I like fireworks as much as the next guy, but California is basically a desert climate, and shooting off fireworks - especially in a street - where the houses have shake roofs is just plain stupid. What sane person wants his house burnt down by a drunken idiot "celebrating" in a way that fits his "vibrant culture?" (Yes. The word "vibrant" appeared.)

    We should live and let live, but Howard Beale was right. We put up with "youths" speeding through the streets with loud, obnoxious "music" at all hours. We think it's racist to complain about "side shows". People leave tons of litter or put their filthy feet on the seats of our buses or "tag" walls.

    The culture gets more obnoxious with every accepted violation of trivial rules.

    No one says anything, and so the lowest common denominator rules.

    California is basically a desert climate

    dwb,
    It only takes one idiot to start a conflagration.

    Steve,
    This just in from a visitor to your area. There was a thunderstorm over Santa Monica early Wednesday. The rain amused tourists at 3rd Street Promenade until they noticed that it also rinsed off the sidewalks of all the urine. European visitors expect better from a city that inspired them from miles away. Civilized visitors hope and pray that Southern California is not adopting more San Francisco habits. :/

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Santa Monica is nowhere as bad in the feces department as San Francisco at present. In general, the SMPD seems to be keeping down the homeless numbers to the usual, which have been rising in the rest of SoCal ever since voters decided to vote a vast pile of money to Solve the Homeless Problem, which immediately made it worse as people from outside California rushed in for some sun and handouts. But Santa Monica has had 40 years of experience dealing with opportunists who like to camp out in the ultra-mild climate, unlike more inland parts of SoCal, such as Anaheim.
  122. @anonymous
    I assumed that this "White Woman Calls Police..." reporting trend was simply this year's version of Burning Black Churches, intended to excite the Black voters in advance of the mid-term elections.

    Perhaps I'm getting too cynical?

    Likely, not cynical enough. Ferguson, Freddie Gray, et al., along with BLM has lost its cache, so stir up black women to vote with stories of Becky calling the cops on their kids, etc…

  123. @U-Bahn

    California is basically a desert climate
     
    dwb,
    It only takes one idiot to start a conflagration.

    Steve,
    This just in from a visitor to your area. There was a thunderstorm over Santa Monica early Wednesday. The rain amused tourists at 3rd Street Promenade until they noticed that it also rinsed off the sidewalks of all the urine. European visitors expect better from a city that inspired them from miles away. Civilized visitors hope and pray that Southern California is not adopting more San Francisco habits. :/

    Santa Monica is nowhere as bad in the feces department as San Francisco at present. In general, the SMPD seems to be keeping down the homeless numbers to the usual, which have been rising in the rest of SoCal ever since voters decided to vote a vast pile of money to Solve the Homeless Problem, which immediately made it worse as people from outside California rushed in for some sun and handouts. But Santa Monica has had 40 years of experience dealing with opportunists who like to camp out in the ultra-mild climate, unlike more inland parts of SoCal, such as Anaheim.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    I think my beach town is handling the problem by:
    1. Preventing them from grouping. The few I ever see are always by themselves, you never see even two together.
    2. There also seems to be a time limit. You might see a homeless person for a few weeks, then they disappear and perhaps a new one replaces them.
    3. There is never anything like an encampment. It is as if they have to live like sharks and keep moving.
    4. You don’t see them with shopping carts for very long. Maybe the cops are busting them for stolen property when they see a shopping cart.
    I’ve never seen the police interact with one, so I’m only speculating based on the result and I have no idea how they are doing it. Maybe they’re communicating it out to the hobo grapevine. In any event we must have one of the lowest per capita rates of homelessness in SoCal.
    On the negative side we are getting infested with yuppie refugees from Santa Monica fleeing to a school system where their snowflakes won’t get their phone and lunch money stolen in the restroom.
  124. @Pat Boyle
    Well I hope I'm wrong but there is also genocide. Maybe the French will simply kill them. We learned in the Algerian War that the French can be quite nasty. If Steve is right about his "most important graph" we may have a move in several liberal and civilized nations to study Nazi death technology.

    the French can be quite nasty.

    Indeed. From Wikipedia:

    The Paris massacre of 1961 occurred on 17 October 1961, during the Algerian War (1954–62). Under orders from the head of the Parisian police, Maurice Papon, the French National Police attacked a demonstration of some 30,000 pro-National Liberation Front (FLN) Algerians. After 37 years of denial and censorship of the press, in 1998 the French government finally acknowledged 40 deaths, although there are estimates of 100 to 300 victims. Death was due to heavy-handed beating by the police, as well as massive drownings, as police officers threw demonstrators in the river Seine.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_massacre_of_1961

  125. @Anonymous Bosch

    "It’s particularly noteworthy that white women are the designated villains in many of these media morality plays."
     
    It is somewhat amusing to watch the revolution devour its daughters. May it take all the most devout ones, and then make the rest reconsider whether their interests are best served by the coalition of the fringes.

    Maybe white women will decide they need white men after all.

  126. @Mr. Rational

    I wonder how many people have been murdered or raped because someone was afraid to call the police about a black guy acting suspiciously.
     
    Minneapolis repealed its lurking ordinance because the only people being caught were dindus.  Calling the cops stopped being a praiseworthy act and instead became a racist one (and pointless, as the cops can't do anything about mere lurking any more).

    “If you see something, say something.”

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  127. @International Jew
    Heh. I was just reading about Polish journalists who claim they were fired from Polish national radio because the Polish government wants to turn the public radio/tv into its mouthpiece.

    Wow just like the BBC! I hope that at least the Polish equivalent doesn’t extort license fees from every household like the BBC does. It’s bad enough that the government has staffed their broadcasting system with raving Marxist shills for the bureaucratic state, but they make their victims pay to get bombarded with the propaganda on top of it.

  128. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    being Jewish doesn’t insulate you any more than being female.
     
    Somewhat true. Jews will often pull the "we're one of you" card just as white women do, but, to their surprise, it doesn't work against the SJW mob. Not sure how Jewish liberals and white women thought that they'd get a pass in a race cold war. (The Golfocaust just doesn't hold a lot of water with blacks and browns.) Regardless, it won't take too long for them to figure out.

    I’m very surprised more white women aren’t really pissed about trannies in the little girls’ room, trannies winning girls’ track meets, etc.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    Presumably, white women are pissed about trannies in the girl's room, winning girl's track meets, etc., but that goes against The Narrative. Facts inconvenient to The Narrative will be ignored.

    The newsroom narrative is to champion anything not straight and white--and to question (interrogate in the current vernacular) anything that is.
  129. @Rosie

    In our brave new society, white people are not allowed to be exasperated or concerned by the actions of anyone who doesn’t look like them…
     
    I remember when opposition to "racism" meant that we shouldn't judge people based on the color of their skin. The idea was that White norms were actually just universal norms of civility, and furthermore that it was "racist" to deny this! Ergo, nothing about our schools, communities, workplaces, churches, etc. would ever have to change.

    With that narrative, it becomes very difficult to resist integration on a small scale, or even on a large scale via the abolition of borders. That's why the Boomer hate is, I think often overblown. They were duped and outmaneuvered.

    50 years of Aliskyite agitation later, and we've come to the point where it is racist to affirm that White norms are universal and expect others to honor them. Whether this was inevitable from the beginning I don't know.

    I might differ with Svigor’s comment (I’m not certain I completely understand it), but speaking as one, Boomer’s weren’t duped and outmaneuvered–they led the charge in hating America, destroying traditions, and fomenting institutional chaos. It partly explains why I think Boomer hate might be overdone as I wasn’t part of the hate America-Howard Zinn battalion. Though the smug superiority is an attitude I’m all-too-familiar with–many of my contemporaries won’t speak to me because I pushed back on their attitude and opinions. Most of ’em are just Paper Tigers.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    they led the charge in hating America, destroying traditions, and fomenting institutional chaos.
     
    I suspect people's perceptions of boomer responsibility for all this depends to some extent on class. It probably wasn't boomers as a whole, but only those boomers who could afford to escape the consequences of their activism.
  130. @njguy73
    Piltdown Man, you and I should have a podcast called "Two Guys Point Out To Clueless Schmucks Shit Which Should Be Totally Fucking Obvious To Anyone Who Hasn't Been In A Coma Since 1989."

    Or maybe just "Pilty & The NJGuy."

    I see there are some benefits of having been in a coma since 1989…

    But hey, “Pilty & The NJGuy” sounds like a…a…a…blast. Yeah, that’s the ticket.

  131. @Steve Sailer
    Santa Monica is nowhere as bad in the feces department as San Francisco at present. In general, the SMPD seems to be keeping down the homeless numbers to the usual, which have been rising in the rest of SoCal ever since voters decided to vote a vast pile of money to Solve the Homeless Problem, which immediately made it worse as people from outside California rushed in for some sun and handouts. But Santa Monica has had 40 years of experience dealing with opportunists who like to camp out in the ultra-mild climate, unlike more inland parts of SoCal, such as Anaheim.

    I think my beach town is handling the problem by:
    1. Preventing them from grouping. The few I ever see are always by themselves, you never see even two together.
    2. There also seems to be a time limit. You might see a homeless person for a few weeks, then they disappear and perhaps a new one replaces them.
    3. There is never anything like an encampment. It is as if they have to live like sharks and keep moving.
    4. You don’t see them with shopping carts for very long. Maybe the cops are busting them for stolen property when they see a shopping cart.
    I’ve never seen the police interact with one, so I’m only speculating based on the result and I have no idea how they are doing it. Maybe they’re communicating it out to the hobo grapevine. In any event we must have one of the lowest per capita rates of homelessness in SoCal.
    On the negative side we are getting infested with yuppie refugees from Santa Monica fleeing to a school system where their snowflakes won’t get their phone and lunch money stolen in the restroom.

  132. @Jim Don Bob
    I'm very surprised more white women aren't really pissed about trannies in the little girls' room, trannies winning girls' track meets, etc.

    Presumably, white women are pissed about trannies in the girl’s room, winning girl’s track meets, etc., but that goes against The Narrative. Facts inconvenient to The Narrative will be ignored.

    The newsroom narrative is to champion anything not straight and white–and to question (interrogate in the current vernacular) anything that is.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Presumably, white women are pissed about trannies in the girl’s room, winning girl’s track meets, etc., but that goes against The Narrative. Facts inconvenient to The Narrative will be ignored.
     
    There are no trannies in the little girls' room. That is a totally fabricated controversy that has no basis whatsoever in reality.

    Every once in a blue moon, you'll see some ambiguous-looking character that you seriously suspect has a penis. We don't mind them. We never have minded them, because we don't actually think of them as men. When you go to that much trouble to look like a woman, we pretty much treat you as one of the girls.

    The funny thing is that this kind of graciousness was predicated on an understanding that it would not be abused. I can easily imagine a backlash if perverts posing as trannies begin to impose on our privacy. Now, there won't be a backlash, of course, because organized feminism answers to their donors, not the women they claim to represent.

    Of course, men intruding on women's athletic competitions is an unprecedented outrage, but of course nothing can be done, because there is no way to oppose it without undermining the case for feminism in general.
    , @Alden
    A woman was recently banned from Planet Fitness for complaining about a
    “ visibly aroused” man claiming to be a tranny using the women’s locker room.

    I don’t care about women’s sports but a lot of women do. Plus being in high school sports is points on the college applications and college scholarships .

    The trend of tranny boys in girls sports might eradicate women’s sports entirely. That’s really too bad.
  133. @anonymous
    I assumed that this "White Woman Calls Police..." reporting trend was simply this year's version of Burning Black Churches, intended to excite the Black voters in advance of the mid-term elections.

    Perhaps I'm getting too cynical?

    Anonymous, Twice a day in Chicago the press could write “Another black shot and killed by a fellow black.” The same story could run every day in Baltimore and every third day in Cleveland, but these are “Dog bites man” stories. The “Becky” stories are actually “Man bites dog” but the MSM wants you to think they are “Dog bites man.” Repeat a lie often enough…

  134. @Marcus
    Primetime network news is running home videos of yt being rayciss every night for the rest of the year apparently, I guess they decided that if they couldn't beat social media, it was better to join them.

    All media is entertainment–judge accordingly.

    There are no news media. Pushing an agenda is activism, not news.

    Media is used to influence–it is not disinterested information.

    Watch sparingly.

  135. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    I was trying to be extremely conservative. My best guess is that Muslim children make up ~22% of French births, with non-Muslim Africans coming in ~7%. So damn near a third of your future young people are civilization destroyers. That's a lot.

    I'm guessing that Muslim and Africans birthrates are probably in the ballpark of 3.0 vs. 1.8 or so for native French. It's likely that this gap will persist for at least another decade or two. This alone would move Muslim birth up to nearly 30% of all births over time with Africans coming in ~10%.

    That's seems quite likely.

    Then there's immigration. France seems to have pretty low immigration, but even low immigration of almost all men between 20 and 35 will change your demographics. Let's say France keeps immigration down to 40,000 people, again mostly young men. If those men are allowed to bring over wives and have children, that would easily increase the Muslim/African percent of births by 0.5% to 1.0% a year. Even going with the low end of 0.5% a year, that's an additional five percentage points in a decade or ten percentage points in 20 years.

    Best conservative guess is that Muslim births account for 30% to 40% of all births in France in 20 years (one way or the other) with non-Muslim African births accounting for 10% to 15%. So best case scenario for France in 20 years is that the combined births of Muslims and non-Muslim Africans account for 40%, the middle course is ~47% and the bad case scenario (though not out of the question at all) is 55%.

    It's just difficult to see how France would let this happen, but, then again, 25 years ago, I wouldn't have believed that Muslims would make up at least 20% of births in France with non-Muslim Africans account for 5% to 10%. That would have been unimaginable. Yet here it is.

    Regardless, I'm having a tough time seeing how a 40% Muslim/black African France functions. Maybe, it's possible. But there's no way that a 50% Muslim/black African France would be stable. Might be time to start thinking about getting France to ditch its nuclear weapons.

    On the nuclear weapons issue, Great Britain should probably ditch its Trident subs, which are very expensive and seem accident prone. Even the United States ought to think long and hard about maintaining a nuclear capacity as it becomes less and less white. South Africa dismantled both its nuclear weapons and its nuclear weapons capacity before handing the country over to the ANC. Other nuclear weapons states should follow the same course of action.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "On the nuclear weapons issue, Great Britain should probably ditch its Trident subs, which are very expensive and seem accident prone. Even the United States ought to think long and hard about maintaining a nuclear capacity as it becomes less and less white. South Africa dismantled both its nuclear weapons and its nuclear weapons capacity before handing the country over to the ANC. Other nuclear weapons states should follow the same course of action."

    Talk about pipe dreams!
  136. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Yeah, that's not going to happen. I can see European countries severely clamping down on immigration and basically cutting off all non-European immigration. But even if they do that - and I hope that they do - they are still looking at very sizable Muslim and non-Muslim African populations.

    My point is that they're running out of time. In another decade or two, they're Muslim and African populations will so large that it will threaten their ability to have a functioning society even if they stop all immigration at that point.

    France and Germany (and probably England) have to act now. They are importing groups that destroy civilizations.

    I’d certainly add Sweden to your list and possibly Belgium and the Netherlands. If there is hope, it lies in the East.

  137. @JackOH
    Ach, there goes Steve again with his persnickety "noticing", and his erudite references.

    BTW-I heard something on the radio this weekend that seemed at first extraordinary to me. Whites commit suicide at a higher rate than Blacks, something like a factor of 2.5. Explanations were offered, one by a Black woman who said something that astounded me, and I'll try to get the wording as closely as I can from memory:

    "Blacks are conditioned to believe the causes of their problems lie outside themselves."

    I tried to find a reference for the show (Radiolab?) but wasn't successful. The implication was left hanging, I think, that Blacks blame others for their failures, and therefore have less reason to off themselves.

    Is there anyone who knows about the Black-White suicide disparity and what it may mean?

    Blacks are less neurotic (prone to negative emotion) than whites. On the flip side, East Asians are more neurotic than whites. Rushton discusses this in his Rule of 3 in Race, Evolution and Behavior. It makes sense that less neurotic people would commit less suicide.

  138. @Patrick in SC
    https://nypost.com/2018/07/18/josh-hader-deeply-sorry-after-hate-filled-tweets-are-uncovered-during-all-star-game/

    Sort of off topic, but this 24 year-old baseball player appears to be latest white guy who is on the precipice of having his life ruined because he made "racist, sexist, and homophobic" tweets when he was 17 years old. This vital information surfaced while Mr. Hader was enjoying his participation in baseball's All Star game, presumably the pinnacle of career up to this point.

    Significantly, at least to anyone with even minimal powers of observation or the ability to process information in a semi-rational manner, it appears the context of the violation was him quoting rap lyrics. So, ironically, a white boy worshipping black musical forms is in danger of having his career ruined because he supposedly hates black people.

    We saw a similar situation a few years ago with a white wide receiver who was recorded at a country music show blustering about being willing to "fight any n***** in here." As with the baseball player, he was a white guy emulating how black people talk. He was not directing his comments to black people.

    A third example is the recent kerfuffle with the Papa John's founder. He simply used the "magic n -word." Context be damned.

    We're to the point where if you get caught telling someone to NOT use this word but make the mistake of actually enunciating the entire word, you can kiss your career and social standing goodbye. You might be able to redeem yourself if you grovel enough (or turn over lots and lots of cash) and undergo "sensitivity training" as this baseball player is being threatened with, but my guess is if your social utility is relatively small (e.g. you're just "white trash") the pleasure experienced by liberals in ruining your life will outweigh your potential contributions on the athletic field or as a cash cow and it's down the trash chute for you!

    You might be able to redeem yourself if you grovel enough (or turn over lots and lots of cash) and undergo “sensitivity training”

    No. Never. Not in a million years. Do not do this. Do not ever give in to demands of SJWs/PC police.

    The player, in his youth, did not make a mistake. Stand up for yourself. Have a spine and intestinal fortitude. Openly declare you did nothing wrong.

    An apology is just showing fear, and akin blood in the water to a predator. They will never relent. No apology is ever sufficient.

    The entire exercise is a power dominance game–and an apology makes you a permanent target and example. Especially after they’ve taken your scalp.

    Wake up people.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    This is exactly what Papa John figured out - a moment too late.

    You can always apologize later, but it is always too late to take it back once you have "confessed" and apologized. Better to say nothing than to confess (and an apology is a confession that you have done wrong) prematurely.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Hader should have said, "I was 17 and we were kidding around. Grow up".

    Never grovel.

    And btw, Mr. MLB Commish, unless it's agreed to in the CBA, you can stick your sensitivity training where the sun don't shine.

    OTOH, what is John Rocker doing these days?
    , @Rob McX
    This should be learned by heart by anyone who may find himself in this situation. It's something most sensible people have learned from private experience - show any sign of weakness or contrition towards a bully and they'll walk all over you. You can look through hundreds of cases of whites saying something allegedly offensive and you'll see the same result. Apologising only makes them despise you. Even if you're in the wrong, it's still better not to apologise or admit to anything. Stay silent and they'll forget about it and move on to a more promising victim. Admit your mistake and they'll magnify it a hundred times in their vindictive frenzy.
  139. @Buddwing
    Terminology:
    I don't think anyone at all outside a research methodology class can remember Type I/Type II distinction. The false positive/false negative distinction sounds like part of a syllogistic logic puzzle ("If all negatives are false, is a not positive response an affirmation of a falsehood?" or some such).


    I would go for "Choose one: innocents squawk or guilty walk."

    “Choose one: innocents squawk or guilty walk.”

    That’s pretty good. I was thinking along the lines of “false alarm” and “missed report.”

    My stats is very strong, but Type I/II or false positive/negative just doesn’t hook intuitively. Rote memory, ISTM.

  140. @anonymous
    I assumed that this "White Woman Calls Police..." reporting trend was simply this year's version of Burning Black Churches, intended to excite the Black voters in advance of the mid-term elections.

    Perhaps I'm getting too cynical?

    If that’s so, a lot of journalists will face a brutal reckoning with the relationship between low-end immigration and the economy. It’s going to be hilarious to watch.

    https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-immigration-dogma-damaging-african-american-communities-opinion-1026181

  141. @njguy73

    Or because White women have been guilt-tripped into letting their guard down.
     
    (sarcasm)As tragic as the attack was, an attack on our diversity would be more tragic.(/sarcasm)

    I should have gone into the service. I could be a general by now.

    Gen. Casey was The Peter Principle in practice.

  142. @Jesse
    Is there a reason there's a notice that my browser is being checked when I try to access the site? I'm trying to not be paranoid here; it says it's a DDoS prevention mechanism.

    Cloudflare is a DDos prevention mechanism.

  143. @International Jew

    The null hypothesis is, in fact, the racial stereotype i.e. the unfamiliar young black male passing through your white neighborhood is up to something no good. Type I error is failing to call the cops before your neighbor’s TV gets stolen.
     
    Your null hypothesis can, in principle, be whatever you want it to be, but the way Steve is using the terms Type 1/Type 2, his null hypothesis has to be that there is no crime in progress.

    Everything else you said is correct. And yes, the terminology is confusing since classical hypothesis testing à la Neymann and Pearson is always about rejecting, rather than accepting, a hypothesis. (Now Bayesians can speak about the likelihood that a hypothesis is true...)

    Practically speaking, the null hypothesis is whatever the people who have the most power or the loudest megaphones say it is (that there’s no correlation between race and crime, no differences in temperament between the sexes, etc).

  144. @HHSIII
    It's funny, you hear this stuff on NPR every day. And then they'll do a piece on Trump's tariffs, how bad they are (and how horrible border enforcement is). And you think, but shouldn't you be in favor of protecting workers' jobs, given your general political perspective on here (leaving aside why public radio should have a particular political bent)?

    It took me a long time to realize the race/gender/sexual identity stuff was just to sell the international corporate cartel agenda. The schedule will go something like: Show about white people calling cops to police public pool. Isn't that person awful and privileged? Next up, how US soybean farmers (cue heartland) or chinese workers are harmed by tariffs.

    Same with the Russia stuff. All of a sudden people who never trusted US intelligence services are all like, wow, what a traitor, Trump doesn't even trust the totally trustworthy CIA over Putin (personally, I think trump was just trying to be, you know, diplomatic, when asked a leading question in front of someone with whom he is engaged in diplomacy)? Similarly, Russia was more beloved by the left when run by actual totalitarian tyrants rather than a garden variety thug.

    Russia was more beloved by the left when run by actual totalitarian tyrants rather than a garden variety thug.

    When the Soviet Union was communist–it was beloved by the Prog-Left. But remembering that fascism is anything to the right of communism, the Prog-Left of course, opposes non-communist Russia or any attempts at diplomatic harmony with Russia.

    The Prog-Left loved Nixon’s detente with communist Soviet Union, they loved perestroika and glasnost with communist Soviet Union, as it meant the US was less actively opposing the Soviet Union, giving the communist regime a chance to prosper as the worker’s paradise. Putin’s Russia is opposed by the Prog-Left as it is not even attempting to be a communist worker’s paradise, much less that its politics/governance is to the right of communism.

    • Replies: @unpc downunder
    Not everyone on the prog left is hostile to Russia. Classic Bernie Sanders type progs who are sceptical of the MSM aren't particularly bothered by Russia. It's the Neo-conservatives and the semi-yuppie Clinton type progressives who are most opposed to Russia. For these people Russia is a corrupt, religious, thuggish, protectionist hell-hole.
  145. @Pat Boyle
    I must not move in the right circles. I don't understand what 'Becky' has to do with fellatio.

    It has been my experience that prior to the Clinton Administration few men dared to ask a woman for fellatio but afterwards no woman ever refused and most took the initiative. No Democrat save perhaps FDR had so much impact in the last century.

    Becky = Blowjob. Urban slang. Far less clever than Cockney Rhyming Slang.

    But you’re right, no man ever asked for “fellatio”…

  146. @Anon7
    According to Urban Dictionary, "Becky" refers to 1) a snobby white girl, but more commonly 2) the act of fellatio (from rapper Plies).

    I've heard Millennial white guys more often use "Betty", which is overall an accolade, referring to a white girl who is pretty, socially powerful, desirable, cheerful, and likable who appreciates the good things in life. (Oder women don't like this word, because it shuts them out. Girls don't like it because they don't want boys to have the power to judge them (they're secretly flattered)).

    I'm really doubtful that anyone will be knocking white women down the totem pole of privilege anytime soon. The NYT knows who its primary audience is, as does the publishing industry in general, and most daytime television. Other groups may gain some temporary fashion, like gays or transgenders or even blacks, but sooner or later the outrage is dialed back because, come on, we know who the real entitled group is - i.e., white women.

    Otherwise, they will take their time, attention - and money - elsewhere. To where they are treated right.

    The NYT knows who its primary audience is, as does the publishing industry in general, and television.

    FIFY.

  147. @Mr. Rational

    Last week here I recommended that everyone make Algebra I twice.
     
    Does calculus count as the second pass, with added material?  I'd say physics does it for calculus, because you're learning how all that stuff applies to the real world.  The AP curriculum of teaching them in parallel seems to work well.

    I taught calculus only once. I taught statistics many times. So I’m more comfortable in giving advice in that area. I knew that my stat students simply no longer remembered algebra. Students remember (I think) their America History or a lot of it. They remember Shakespeare and Victorian novels they had to read. They remember some of Economics or Chemistry too. But they seem to forget algebra the day after the final exam.

    Or maybe I’m wrong about all this. I taught a lot of different math and computer science classes but, much as a wanted to, I never taught history. Credentialism rules in the history departments. So I don’t really know from my own experience.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    People who grok algebra are relatively few. On the one hand, the 386SX brains in the humanities departments should know math so that they don't invent or advocate things that don't work, subjecting most of them to more math only results in a situation like a horse tapping out numbers.
    , @Mr. Rational

    But they seem to forget algebra the day after the final exam.
     
    I sure didn't, but I knew I was headed for a LOT more math after that and I'm an odd duck anyway.

    I'm still using calculus and chemistry I learned freshman year, some 4 decades later, to illuminate things I didn't understand.  This has to be the basis for the assertion "an educated man is never bored."
  148. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    I was trying to be extremely conservative. My best guess is that Muslim children make up ~22% of French births, with non-Muslim Africans coming in ~7%. So damn near a third of your future young people are civilization destroyers. That's a lot.

    I'm guessing that Muslim and Africans birthrates are probably in the ballpark of 3.0 vs. 1.8 or so for native French. It's likely that this gap will persist for at least another decade or two. This alone would move Muslim birth up to nearly 30% of all births over time with Africans coming in ~10%.

    That's seems quite likely.

    Then there's immigration. France seems to have pretty low immigration, but even low immigration of almost all men between 20 and 35 will change your demographics. Let's say France keeps immigration down to 40,000 people, again mostly young men. If those men are allowed to bring over wives and have children, that would easily increase the Muslim/African percent of births by 0.5% to 1.0% a year. Even going with the low end of 0.5% a year, that's an additional five percentage points in a decade or ten percentage points in 20 years.

    Best conservative guess is that Muslim births account for 30% to 40% of all births in France in 20 years (one way or the other) with non-Muslim African births accounting for 10% to 15%. So best case scenario for France in 20 years is that the combined births of Muslims and non-Muslim Africans account for 40%, the middle course is ~47% and the bad case scenario (though not out of the question at all) is 55%.

    It's just difficult to see how France would let this happen, but, then again, 25 years ago, I wouldn't have believed that Muslims would make up at least 20% of births in France with non-Muslim Africans account for 5% to 10%. That would have been unimaginable. Yet here it is.

    Regardless, I'm having a tough time seeing how a 40% Muslim/black African France functions. Maybe, it's possible. But there's no way that a 50% Muslim/black African France would be stable. Might be time to start thinking about getting France to ditch its nuclear weapons.

    I don’t know the specific numbers, and France famously makes it illegal to track this sort of data.

    We used to live in France (in Paris), and the idea that France will be predominantly Muslim is not going to happen. People from the Maghreb (how French typically refer to the demographic) are going to continue to make a larger share.

    An estimate a couple of years ago by the Pew Research group pegged the number to be about 13% in 2050 even if no more Muslims immigrated:

    http://www.pewforum.org/2017/11/29/europes-growing-muslim-population/pf_11-29-17_muslims-update-21/

    With higher rates, that figure rises to 18%

    http://www.pewforum.org/2017/11/29/europes-growing-muslim-population/pf_11-29-17_muslims-update-23/

    You can take or leave this figure, and it ignores non-Muslim African immigrants.

    How France would or would not function is an interesting question. When we were living in Paris, a quite controversial book (Soumission) was published by the controversial author Michel Houellebecq. Muslims need not be a majority or even a large minority for some “unexpected” outcomes.

    Due to the nature of elections in France, with a two-rounds system, if a Muslim could somehow gain the lead of one of the parties, and by a series of events find himself facing off as the alternative to the Front National, he could hypothetically be elected.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    the idea that France will be predominantly Muslim is not going to happen
     
    How will the French prevent Muslim domination?
    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Again, always remember that I'm talking about births in France (or Europe) not percent of total population - though, of course, births generally become total population sooner or later.

    That's something that always annoys me when people - especially Pew - talk about minority populations. They always talk about what % they are of the total population, not % of births. That's how you know that they're being disingenuous.

    Frankly, Pew is full of shit. To understand what a country's demographics will be, you need only look at three things: 1) Births; 2: Birthrates among various populations; and 3) Immigration. Whether you look at birth names or sickle cell tests, it's obvious that France births are in the ball park of 20% Muslim - at least. In addition, there's another 5% to 10% African-descent births.

    That's right now. Pew is playing a game. It looks at total population instead of births because Pew knows that the reporting on births would freak people out. They are liars. Let me repeat, they are liars. (Not sure why you don't see that.)

    After you add in differences in birthrates, which tend to last for at least another generation, and immigration, it's set in stone that France will be at least 30% Muslim someday. Granted, that day is a long way off, but France will be 30% Muslim for its under 40 population - you know, the population that has kids and blows stuff up - in 40 years. Guaranteed.

    The fact that you believe Pew makes me wonder how serious you are about this situation.

    Will France be majority Muslim within the new 50 years. Very unlikely. Will France's under 40 population be 30% to 45% Muslim/non-Muslim African within the next 50%? Very likely. Indeed, almost guaranteed on the lower end.

    If France doesn't cut off non-white immigration within the next decade or so, it is doomed as a Western country. Not a prediction, just a fact.

    Why do you think that France will not become majority Muslim?
  149. @Karl
    sorry that I cannot (off the cuff) recite the numerical details - but this question is why we are not allowed to notice the demographics of the AIDS epidemic.

    In the western world, it is ONLY in two subpopulations - male-homosexuals and injecting drug users..... that the false-positive rate of the HIV-seroconversion testing falls below the ACTUAL prevalence.

    If you're a straight male, the odds that a "positive" result on a test are actually meaningful, is more or less a coin toss. It is as likely to be a "false positive" as a "true positive"

    If you’re a straight male, the odds that a “positive” result on a test are actually meaningful, is more or less a coin toss.

    Well, that’s a dramatic improvement from when the HIV test was introduced, when false positives exceeded the true rate of infection. Though I have a feeling the improvement is due to better screening before administering the test. In the ’80s and ’90s the media actually claimed that everyone was at risk–heteros as much as homos–supposedly to reduce stigma. The result were many straight people at no risk of infection being tested and having a false positive result returned.

  150. @Forbes
    Load it into the TelePrompTer and Obama reads it--just words. Obama is just a blank slate (or a ghost) on which to superimpose your own thoughts and views. He didn't govern on the basis of much he declared were his beliefs beforehand. or afterward as these remarks reflect.

    Who put a question mark on the TelePrompTer? Burgundy *will* read *anything* that is put there….

  151. @Buffalo Joe
    I will off myself when Obama publicly declares that people are allowed to have thoughts, ideas, ideals or beliefs that are different than his.

    Joe–Don’t take the bait. There’s no telling what Obama might say. He’s covered the waterfront on too many topics.

  152. @black sea
    Hoping that this one will gain some media traction, but doubting that this will be the case because . . . Harvard:

    https://nypost.com/2018/07/16/video-shows-harvard-research-head-condescending-woman-biracial-child/

    I particularly enjoyed the preemptive grovelling: “I want to be accountable for my actions in a situation where I fell far short of my values and what I expect of myself,” Lund said. “This clearly wasn’t my best moment, and I have work to do to more consistently be my best self.”

    Recent white woman coinages I could do without:

    “be my best self”

    Possibly the Becky-est four words of the decade.

    Meaning: usually either a blanket defense against accusation or a blanket excuse for self indulgence.

    • Replies: @Hhsiii
    Kinda like Lincoln’s “better angels of our nature.”
  153. Type I Error trolling:

    (Godfrey Elfwick has been banned from Twitter.)

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Hmmm, wick is a term sometimes used to describe a penis. Now I know what an Elf's wick looks like.
  154. @Forbes

    You might be able to redeem yourself if you grovel enough (or turn over lots and lots of cash) and undergo “sensitivity training”
     
    No. Never. Not in a million years. Do not do this. Do not ever give in to demands of SJWs/PC police.

    The player, in his youth, did not make a mistake. Stand up for yourself. Have a spine and intestinal fortitude. Openly declare you did nothing wrong.

    An apology is just showing fear, and akin blood in the water to a predator. They will never relent. No apology is ever sufficient.

    The entire exercise is a power dominance game--and an apology makes you a permanent target and example. Especially after they've taken your scalp.

    Wake up people.

    This is exactly what Papa John figured out – a moment too late.

    You can always apologize later, but it is always too late to take it back once you have “confessed” and apologized. Better to say nothing than to confess (and an apology is a confession that you have done wrong) prematurely.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  155. Anonymous [AKA "Laicin"] says:
    @Forbes
    It's shorthand for a white girl/woman--so of course it's racialist.

    It's only slightly different from the Irish referring to a lass as Sheila (Sheilagh, Shelagh, sp?)

    Think you’re crossing wires a tad. Aussies/NZers use sheila to refer to the fairer sex (it is Irish in origin though – Síle is the Irish version of Cecelia). I think the word/name you’re hunting for is cailín (“little girl”), which is Anglicized as Colleen.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    Your explanation/disentanglement sounds right. I've heard both Sheila and Colleen, likely in the manner you've described, and Sheila first popped into my head.
  156. @Forbes
    Presumably, white women are pissed about trannies in the girl's room, winning girl's track meets, etc., but that goes against The Narrative. Facts inconvenient to The Narrative will be ignored.

    The newsroom narrative is to champion anything not straight and white--and to question (interrogate in the current vernacular) anything that is.

    Presumably, white women are pissed about trannies in the girl’s room, winning girl’s track meets, etc., but that goes against The Narrative. Facts inconvenient to The Narrative will be ignored.

    There are no trannies in the little girls’ room. That is a totally fabricated controversy that has no basis whatsoever in reality.

    Every once in a blue moon, you’ll see some ambiguous-looking character that you seriously suspect has a penis. We don’t mind them. We never have minded them, because we don’t actually think of them as men. When you go to that much trouble to look like a woman, we pretty much treat you as one of the girls.

    The funny thing is that this kind of graciousness was predicated on an understanding that it would not be abused. I can easily imagine a backlash if perverts posing as trannies begin to impose on our privacy. Now, there won’t be a backlash, of course, because organized feminism answers to their donors, not the women they claim to represent.

    Of course, men intruding on women’s athletic competitions is an unprecedented outrage, but of course nothing can be done, because there is no way to oppose it without undermining the case for feminism in general.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational

    there is no way to oppose it without undermining the case for feminism in general.
     
    You could assert that transgenderism is bullshit, but if you've assented to "wait, did you assume xer gender?!" you've already lost that battle.  Letting the "feminist" side break down into trannies and TERFs warring on each other discredits feminism pretty well all by itself.
    , @sayless
    With regard to men competing against women athletically:

    The showdown will occur when the trans men begin claiming Title IX money.
    , @Forbes

    There are no trannies in the little girls’ room.
     
    On closer reading you'll discover I never said "little." Girls' room is regular name for the female lavatory in a high school--about which there are federal court cases. I'm unfamiliar with a 'little girls' room.'
  157. @Pat Boyle
    I taught calculus only once. I taught statistics many times. So I'm more comfortable in giving advice in that area. I knew that my stat students simply no longer remembered algebra. Students remember (I think) their America History or a lot of it. They remember Shakespeare and Victorian novels they had to read. They remember some of Economics or Chemistry too. But they seem to forget algebra the day after the final exam.

    Or maybe I'm wrong about all this. I taught a lot of different math and computer science classes but, much as a wanted to, I never taught history. Credentialism rules in the history departments. So I don't really know from my own experience.

    People who grok algebra are relatively few. On the one hand, the 386SX brains in the humanities departments should know math so that they don’t invent or advocate things that don’t work, subjecting most of them to more math only results in a situation like a horse tapping out numbers.

  158. @Pat Boyle
    I taught calculus only once. I taught statistics many times. So I'm more comfortable in giving advice in that area. I knew that my stat students simply no longer remembered algebra. Students remember (I think) their America History or a lot of it. They remember Shakespeare and Victorian novels they had to read. They remember some of Economics or Chemistry too. But they seem to forget algebra the day after the final exam.

    Or maybe I'm wrong about all this. I taught a lot of different math and computer science classes but, much as a wanted to, I never taught history. Credentialism rules in the history departments. So I don't really know from my own experience.

    But they seem to forget algebra the day after the final exam.

    I sure didn’t, but I knew I was headed for a LOT more math after that and I’m an odd duck anyway.

    I’m still using calculus and chemistry I learned freshman year, some 4 decades later, to illuminate things I didn’t understand.  This has to be the basis for the assertion “an educated man is never bored.”

    • Replies: @Anon

    I’m still using calculus and chemistry I learned freshman year, some 4 decades later, to illuminate things I didn’t understand.
     
    Interesting. Such as what?
  159. @dearieme
    "Becky" as in Rebecca? A biblical name, isn't it? So not just racist but conceivably anti-semitic? Surely there must be some (non-absurd) white-girl names that are not of Jewish origin? Do you have no Fionas in the US? Or Æthelflæds? You must have Heidis.

    Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm.

  160. @Forbes
    I might differ with Svigor's comment (I'm not certain I completely understand it), but speaking as one, Boomer's weren't duped and outmaneuvered--they led the charge in hating America, destroying traditions, and fomenting institutional chaos. It partly explains why I think Boomer hate might be overdone as I wasn't part of the hate America-Howard Zinn battalion. Though the smug superiority is an attitude I'm all-too-familiar with--many of my contemporaries won't speak to me because I pushed back on their attitude and opinions. Most of 'em are just Paper Tigers.

    they led the charge in hating America, destroying traditions, and fomenting institutional chaos.

    I suspect people’s perceptions of boomer responsibility for all this depends to some extent on class. It probably wasn’t boomers as a whole, but only those boomers who could afford to escape the consequences of their activism.

  161. @Rosie

    Presumably, white women are pissed about trannies in the girl’s room, winning girl’s track meets, etc., but that goes against The Narrative. Facts inconvenient to The Narrative will be ignored.
     
    There are no trannies in the little girls' room. That is a totally fabricated controversy that has no basis whatsoever in reality.

    Every once in a blue moon, you'll see some ambiguous-looking character that you seriously suspect has a penis. We don't mind them. We never have minded them, because we don't actually think of them as men. When you go to that much trouble to look like a woman, we pretty much treat you as one of the girls.

    The funny thing is that this kind of graciousness was predicated on an understanding that it would not be abused. I can easily imagine a backlash if perverts posing as trannies begin to impose on our privacy. Now, there won't be a backlash, of course, because organized feminism answers to their donors, not the women they claim to represent.

    Of course, men intruding on women's athletic competitions is an unprecedented outrage, but of course nothing can be done, because there is no way to oppose it without undermining the case for feminism in general.

    there is no way to oppose it without undermining the case for feminism in general.

    You could assert that transgenderism is bullshit, but if you’ve assented to “wait, did you assume xer gender?!” you’ve already lost that battle.  Letting the “feminist” side break down into trannies and TERFs warring on each other discredits feminism pretty well all by itself.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  162. @Forbes

    You might be able to redeem yourself if you grovel enough (or turn over lots and lots of cash) and undergo “sensitivity training”
     
    No. Never. Not in a million years. Do not do this. Do not ever give in to demands of SJWs/PC police.

    The player, in his youth, did not make a mistake. Stand up for yourself. Have a spine and intestinal fortitude. Openly declare you did nothing wrong.

    An apology is just showing fear, and akin blood in the water to a predator. They will never relent. No apology is ever sufficient.

    The entire exercise is a power dominance game--and an apology makes you a permanent target and example. Especially after they've taken your scalp.

    Wake up people.

    Hader should have said, “I was 17 and we were kidding around. Grow up”.

    Never grovel.

    And btw, Mr. MLB Commish, unless it’s agreed to in the CBA, you can stick your sensitivity training where the sun don’t shine.

    OTOH, what is John Rocker doing these days?

  163. SFG says:
    @Anonym

    But thinking statistically is hard. The distinction between Type I and Type II errors was only invented by Jerzy Neyman and Egon Pearson between the Wars. (And we still need a better mnemonic name than Type I/Type II.)
     
    You did mention the better name for those errors - false positives and false negatives.

    I’m late to the party, but has anyone thought that this is basically the situation with false rape accusations? The easier it is to prosecute (or punish) a true rape (or harassment) accusation, the easier it is to prosecute a false one. And when it’s he said, she said, the Anglo-Saxon presumption of innocence is a mere nuisance to the feminist. So the net effect is to shift risk from women to men in relationships…pushing the situation after the sexual revolution back to an equilibrium of more long-term relationships desired by women, but with all the risk of ostracism and social sanction borne by men instead of women.

    Men aren’t organized *as men*. I wonder what it would take to change that. There’s the manosphere, but it’s generally not political. You have a couple of guys like Roosh at Return of Kings who try to be, but I have my doubts going to monarchy is going to do much or be palatable to a country with no history of it.

    Thoughts welcome.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    I would think what brings men to the fore is a dangerous/wartime situation with a corroded state and less in the way of police system. When women need male protection, they are valued more. When outgroup competition is high, I doubt you will see much need to consult women.

    As life got cushier, people got softer, people's feelings were more taken into consideration. Hence the right to vote for women.

    As for rape, and approaching women being taken the wrong way, part of the problem is that women are attracted to a confident man who makes the first move, kisses first, etc. Dominance I guess. Males asking permission for a kiss or sex is really unsexy. Nerds are famously spergy, so knowing what to do is hard. That is why so many white male nerd East Asian pairings exist. Because female Asians will approach. Male "me too" doesn't exist. There is no risk for the female and they don't have stigma against approaching it seems. And they like money and providers. White male nerds are like dollar bills left on the sidewalk to them.

    A likely response is for white females to learn to approach desirable white males. Some do already.

    The risk is likely overstated though, don't you think? How many men are charged and what for? This should tell you something.

    , @Prof. Woland
    My own view is that one of the prime reasons Donald Trump was able to win an election in spite of the "19 women to come forward" false accusation is that the country has become more and more red pilled over time. It is a hard thing to notice because all of the changes have been organic and not top down or organized. 8 years prior, coordinated blow like that might have taken him down.

    These fake charges have leaked out of the family court system and are now being openly used in the body politic. (Jim Jordan is the latest such scurrilous accusation) The media cannot report on them out of fear of a women's backlash but the internet and word of mouth has gotten to the point where everybody not living under a rock has either a first, second or third hand experience with the phenomenon and have wised up.

    Unfortunately for the left, this weapon is now being over used and used indiscriminately further eroding its effectiveness as a kill shot. I also think this is one of the prime reasons Trump was the perfect man for the times. Not only did he have the right skill set for dealing with c&^%y women he was able to rise above it. This is why his ratings would go up after every fake claim / ex squeeze tell all. The country is aware of what is going on and is sick of it.
  164. @Prof. Woland
    Truer words have never been quacked.

    That was hilarious, Prof.

  165. @Forbes

    You might be able to redeem yourself if you grovel enough (or turn over lots and lots of cash) and undergo “sensitivity training”
     
    No. Never. Not in a million years. Do not do this. Do not ever give in to demands of SJWs/PC police.

    The player, in his youth, did not make a mistake. Stand up for yourself. Have a spine and intestinal fortitude. Openly declare you did nothing wrong.

    An apology is just showing fear, and akin blood in the water to a predator. They will never relent. No apology is ever sufficient.

    The entire exercise is a power dominance game--and an apology makes you a permanent target and example. Especially after they've taken your scalp.

    Wake up people.

    This should be learned by heart by anyone who may find himself in this situation. It’s something most sensible people have learned from private experience – show any sign of weakness or contrition towards a bully and they’ll walk all over you. You can look through hundreds of cases of whites saying something allegedly offensive and you’ll see the same result. Apologising only makes them despise you. Even if you’re in the wrong, it’s still better not to apologise or admit to anything. Stay silent and they’ll forget about it and move on to a more promising victim. Admit your mistake and they’ll magnify it a hundred times in their vindictive frenzy.

  166. @Logan
    About 30 years ago I was very nearly killed by the cops because I was "acting suspiciously," from the POV of a quite reasonably freaked out female 7-11 clerk, and I "matched the description" of an escaped convict in the area who had already killed three people in two days, one of them a cop.

    So I'm standing there looking at paperbacks in the 7-11 and I suddenly have a shotgun barrel in the back of my head. If I'd twitched the wrong way, my brains would have been all over the stock. They also were not in the least gentle about taking me down and cuffing me.

    After about 10 minutes to establish my identity, they let me up and uncuffed me. But nobody apologized (to me). I went over and tried to apologize to the hysterical clerk for unintentionally freaking her out, but she was melting down too much to even notice.

    I'm white, but in today's world if this happened to a black man, I assume it would be national news and evidence of white racism by the cops.

    It’s evidence of at least one cop acting stupidly, almost killing an innocent man.

    • Replies: @Logan
    Oddly, I don't agree. This guy had killed three people since his escape, including one cop, and went on to kill a couple more before the cops gunned him down a couple days later.

    One of his victims had been a young female convenience store clerk who he raped and murdered. Surveillance footage showed that he came in, pretended to be browsing till customers left, then attacked her.

    I really did match the description of the guy, similar weight and height, 30s, white guy with brown hair and eyes. (But of course how many millions of Americans does that description fit?) I was even dressed somewhat similarly to the last reports.

    I had a bulge in my hip pocket that might have been a gun, although it was actually a paperback. I came in, loitered like I was waiting for others to leave (though that was actually not what I was doing at all). I was "behaving suspiciously."

    The young lady clerk, who I was only peripherally aware of, was quite reasonably terrified and called the cops. They had every logical reason to believe I was the perp and reacted accordingly. I have no problems with how they handled things, though I would have (briefly) had the cop in question been just a little twitchier.

    My takeaway from this is that "fits the description" or "fits the profile" should always be taken with a hefty dose of salt. Much like Richard Jewell, the hero of the Atlanta Olympics whose life was destroyed because he "fit the profile." He really, really did fit the profile. Just like thousands of other people. Profiles and descriptions are not proof or even evidence of involvement, and this should never be forgotten. TV shows about profilers too often lead us to forget this.

    The same small town had a double murder several years later. A gunman took two liquor store clerks into the basement and shot them in the back of the head.

    All the liquor store owners in town got together and decided this would not happen again. Thereafter every clerk carried a holstered pistol at all time and shotguns were racked behind the counter. They were trained by the sheriff's department.

    No more murders by when I left.

    If the young female clerk in my incident had been armed, maybe she wouldn't have been so terrified. Or possibly she would have shot me in her terror. Who knows?

  167. @Almost Missouri
    Recent white woman coinages I could do without:

    "be my best self"
     
    Possibly the Becky-est four words of the decade.

    Meaning: usually either a blanket defense against accusation or a blanket excuse for self indulgence.

    Kinda like Lincoln’s “better angels of our nature.”

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    If Lincoln were a yoga-thot.
  168. Anonymous[107] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon7
    According to Urban Dictionary, "Becky" refers to 1) a snobby white girl, but more commonly 2) the act of fellatio (from rapper Plies).

    I've heard Millennial white guys more often use "Betty", which is overall an accolade, referring to a white girl who is pretty, socially powerful, desirable, cheerful, and likable who appreciates the good things in life. (Oder women don't like this word, because it shuts them out. Girls don't like it because they don't want boys to have the power to judge them (they're secretly flattered)).

    I'm really doubtful that anyone will be knocking white women down the totem pole of privilege anytime soon. The NYT knows who its primary audience is, as does the publishing industry in general, and most daytime television. Other groups may gain some temporary fashion, like gays or transgenders or even blacks, but sooner or later the outrage is dialed back because, come on, we know who the real entitled group is - i.e., white women.

    Otherwise, they will take their time, attention - and money - elsewhere. To where they are treated right.

    I’m a millennial and have never actually heard anyone use the term “Betty,” which I assume comes from the Betty and Veronica in Archie comics; Betty’s the blonde one. I have only seen it used in social media and the on-line world in general.
    Ditto with “Becky.” I’ve read it on-line but have never actually heard anyone use it.
    I’d also never heard of the “Baby Got Back” video until reading about it here. It was apparently popular when I was about 7 years old, and is of a music genre I have no interest in.
    I also have never heard a blow job called a “Becky.” I guess that’s black slang that has infiltrated social media.
    The most common euphemism I have heard IRL for it is a “milky.” There was even a popular drinking song about milkies when I was in college (I mean an actual song that people sang, not a commercial song). In it, girls who give milkies were referred to as “girls,” not Bettys or Beckys or even chicks. Just girls. In any case, guys are not shy about simply saying “blow job,” especially when they want one, which is basically whenever they are conscious.
    I think a lot of this slang is limited to on-line interactions. Recently, I’ve noticed that dogs are now referred to on social media as “goodboys.” Not long ago, they were called “furbabies.” But I’ve never actually heard anyone utter either term. It’s part of the on-line world. Outside of a cell phone or laptop, a dog is just a dog.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Since mid-June, "Becky" has been used as an anti-white woman epithet in the New York Times three times.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    Ditto. The only time that I haven't heard "girls" or "chicks" used are Australians who use "Sheila" and Brits who use "bird." Not really sure where this slang originates from.
  169. Not a Type I thing, but also a non-event played up. White man supposedly spits at black man:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.freep.com/amp/795463002

    Hey, when I got bused to school in 1977 I was spat on, nose bloodied, choked, etc. the local paper didn’t say anything about it. I never imagined anyone would give a rat’s ass. Kid’s code was deal with it. I never even told my parents.

    • Replies: @Hhsiii
    Btw, apparently the girls had it much worse. At least the boys were a threat back and it was now and then. The girls say they were beaten every day in the girls room, locker room. Etc. Even a black girl bused with us said it was a nightmare. No one told adults. It was obviously useless.
    , @Anon

    Hey, when I got bused to school in 1977 I was spat on, nose bloodied, choked,
     
    By blacks?
  170. @Buffalo Joe
    I will off myself when Obama publicly declares that people are allowed to have thoughts, ideas, ideals or beliefs that are different than his.

    I will off myself when Obama publicly declares that people are allowed to have thoughts, ideas, ideals or beliefs that are different than his.

    Don’t do it Joe. It is multi-dimensionally wrong.

  171. @Hail
    Type I Error trolling:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiZ9Kz7WkAAryr9.jpg

    (Godfrey Elfwick has been banned from Twitter.)

    Hmmm, wick is a term sometimes used to describe a penis. Now I know what an Elf’s wick looks like.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    This guy is satirising SJWs.
  172. @Anonymous Bosch

    "It’s particularly noteworthy that white women are the designated villains in many of these media morality plays."
     
    It is somewhat amusing to watch the revolution devour its daughters. May it take all the most devout ones, and then make the rest reconsider whether their interests are best served by the coalition of the fringes.

    It is somewhat amusing to watch the revolution devour its daughters. May it take all the most devout ones, and then make the rest reconsider whether their interests are best served by the coalition of the fringes.

    Let us hope. From your keyboard to God’s ears.

  173. @Anonymous
    I'm a millennial and have never actually heard anyone use the term "Betty," which I assume comes from the Betty and Veronica in Archie comics; Betty's the blonde one. I have only seen it used in social media and the on-line world in general.
    Ditto with "Becky." I've read it on-line but have never actually heard anyone use it.
    I'd also never heard of the "Baby Got Back" video until reading about it here. It was apparently popular when I was about 7 years old, and is of a music genre I have no interest in.
    I also have never heard a blow job called a "Becky." I guess that's black slang that has infiltrated social media.
    The most common euphemism I have heard IRL for it is a "milky." There was even a popular drinking song about milkies when I was in college (I mean an actual song that people sang, not a commercial song). In it, girls who give milkies were referred to as "girls," not Bettys or Beckys or even chicks. Just girls. In any case, guys are not shy about simply saying "blow job," especially when they want one, which is basically whenever they are conscious.
    I think a lot of this slang is limited to on-line interactions. Recently, I've noticed that dogs are now referred to on social media as "goodboys." Not long ago, they were called "furbabies." But I've never actually heard anyone utter either term. It's part of the on-line world. Outside of a cell phone or laptop, a dog is just a dog.

    Since mid-June, “Becky” has been used as an anti-white woman epithet in the New York Times three times.

  174. @Hhsiii
    Not a Type I thing, but also a non-event played up. White man supposedly spits at black man:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.freep.com/amp/795463002

    Hey, when I got bused to school in 1977 I was spat on, nose bloodied, choked, etc. the local paper didn’t say anything about it. I never imagined anyone would give a rat’s ass. Kid’s code was deal with it. I never even told my parents.

    Btw, apparently the girls had it much worse. At least the boys were a threat back and it was now and then. The girls say they were beaten every day in the girls room, locker room. Etc. Even a black girl bused with us said it was a nightmare. No one told adults. It was obviously useless.

  175. @Jake
    The heart of the matter: "It’s particularly noteworthy that white women are the designated villains in many of these media morality plays. You might think that in the #MeToo era, women’s worries about their personal security would be viewed at least somewhat sympathetically.

    Instead, white women are finding themselves pretty far down the intersectional totem pole. For instance, The New York Times has printed the racial slur “Becky” three times over the past five weeks while demeaning white women."


    Many years ago, in partial frustration, I told a small of PhD students girls, each of them decidedly Leftist, each one determined to damn white men for all the problems they could see in black America (they were not looking at the world) that they better make good use of their being temporarily seen as poor, innocent victims of people like me, because at some point, if we were not to roll, back the insanities of the Left's affirmative action type making blacks a sacred cow race of eternal innocent victims, that white women would become the target too, because, as every black man knew, the target was not the penis, but the white race. And not simply skin pigmentation but the cultural history.

    Agree.

  176. @Pat Boyle
    I don't think we need another name. When I taught statistics I always used the real terms. There are only a few concepts in first semester statistics but the "Neyman-Pearson Lemma" is one of them. If you take stat in some benighted sociology department the text will save the ears of the poor little dears from all that terribly upsetting math terminology.

    Last week here I recommended that everyone make Algebra I twice. The same is true for statistics.

    Last week here I recommended that everyone make Algebra I twice. The same is true for statistics.

    Agree.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Agree.
     
    Whyfore?
  177. @Pat Boyle
    I must not move in the right circles. I don't understand what 'Becky' has to do with fellatio.

    It has been my experience that prior to the Clinton Administration few men dared to ask a woman for fellatio but afterwards no woman ever refused and most took the initiative. No Democrat save perhaps FDR had so much impact in the last century.

    It has been my experience that prior to the Clinton Administration few men dared to ask a woman for fellatio but afterwards no woman ever refused and most took the initiative. No Democrat save perhaps FDR had so much impact in the last century.

    ROTFL! And painfully so. 😉

  178. @Pat Boyle
    Well I hope I'm wrong but there is also genocide. Maybe the French will simply kill them. We learned in the Algerian War that the French can be quite nasty. If Steve is right about his "most important graph" we may have a move in several liberal and civilized nations to study Nazi death technology.

    We learned in the Algerian War that the French can be quite nasty.

    Not nasty enough to win the war.

  179. @Buffalo Joe
    Hmmm, wick is a term sometimes used to describe a penis. Now I know what an Elf's wick looks like.

    This guy is satirising SJWs.

  180. Becky with the good hair is an amalgam of white women Jay Z prefers to sleep with over Lady Bey. Sorry to say I know that, but I think I read it here first.

    Haven’t known many. But Joan Fontaine was a good Rebecca And Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm.

  181. @dwb
    I don't know the specific numbers, and France famously makes it illegal to track this sort of data.

    We used to live in France (in Paris), and the idea that France will be predominantly Muslim is not going to happen. People from the Maghreb (how French typically refer to the demographic) are going to continue to make a larger share.

    An estimate a couple of years ago by the Pew Research group pegged the number to be about 13% in 2050 even if no more Muslims immigrated:

    http://www.pewforum.org/2017/11/29/europes-growing-muslim-population/pf_11-29-17_muslims-update-21/

    With higher rates, that figure rises to 18%

    http://www.pewforum.org/2017/11/29/europes-growing-muslim-population/pf_11-29-17_muslims-update-23/

    You can take or leave this figure, and it ignores non-Muslim African immigrants.

    How France would or would not function is an interesting question. When we were living in Paris, a quite controversial book (Soumission) was published by the controversial author Michel Houellebecq. Muslims need not be a majority or even a large minority for some "unexpected" outcomes.

    Due to the nature of elections in France, with a two-rounds system, if a Muslim could somehow gain the lead of one of the parties, and by a series of events find himself facing off as the alternative to the Front National, he could hypothetically be elected.

    the idea that France will be predominantly Muslim is not going to happen

    How will the French prevent Muslim domination?

    • Replies: @dwb
    I strongly suspect that at some point, when it becomes impossible to deny what people's eyes see, they will take steps. I think that in Europe, the way that the current "asylum" seekers are plainly abusing the system (images of boats filled with young, black men belie the claims of women and children fleeing Syria will become impossible to deny) is going to eventually lead to the political will.

    Will it be too late?

    By "predominant" I mean, "overwhelming numerical superiority." I don't see that happening. I could be wrong.
  182. @JackOH
    Ach, there goes Steve again with his persnickety "noticing", and his erudite references.

    BTW-I heard something on the radio this weekend that seemed at first extraordinary to me. Whites commit suicide at a higher rate than Blacks, something like a factor of 2.5. Explanations were offered, one by a Black woman who said something that astounded me, and I'll try to get the wording as closely as I can from memory:

    "Blacks are conditioned to believe the causes of their problems lie outside themselves."

    I tried to find a reference for the show (Radiolab?) but wasn't successful. The implication was left hanging, I think, that Blacks blame others for their failures, and therefore have less reason to off themselves.

    Is there anyone who knows about the Black-White suicide disparity and what it may mean?

    I once opined that when blacks get suicidally depressed, they kill you, and feel 100% better about themselves directly afterwards. I think I was joking, but these days who can tell?

  183. @dwb
    I don't know the specific numbers, and France famously makes it illegal to track this sort of data.

    We used to live in France (in Paris), and the idea that France will be predominantly Muslim is not going to happen. People from the Maghreb (how French typically refer to the demographic) are going to continue to make a larger share.

    An estimate a couple of years ago by the Pew Research group pegged the number to be about 13% in 2050 even if no more Muslims immigrated:

    http://www.pewforum.org/2017/11/29/europes-growing-muslim-population/pf_11-29-17_muslims-update-21/

    With higher rates, that figure rises to 18%

    http://www.pewforum.org/2017/11/29/europes-growing-muslim-population/pf_11-29-17_muslims-update-23/

    You can take or leave this figure, and it ignores non-Muslim African immigrants.

    How France would or would not function is an interesting question. When we were living in Paris, a quite controversial book (Soumission) was published by the controversial author Michel Houellebecq. Muslims need not be a majority or even a large minority for some "unexpected" outcomes.

    Due to the nature of elections in France, with a two-rounds system, if a Muslim could somehow gain the lead of one of the parties, and by a series of events find himself facing off as the alternative to the Front National, he could hypothetically be elected.

    Again, always remember that I’m talking about births in France (or Europe) not percent of total population – though, of course, births generally become total population sooner or later.

    That’s something that always annoys me when people – especially Pew – talk about minority populations. They always talk about what % they are of the total population, not % of births. That’s how you know that they’re being disingenuous.

    Frankly, Pew is full of shit. To understand what a country’s demographics will be, you need only look at three things: 1) Births; 2: Birthrates among various populations; and 3) Immigration. Whether you look at birth names or sickle cell tests, it’s obvious that France births are in the ball park of 20% Muslim – at least. In addition, there’s another 5% to 10% African-descent births.

    That’s right now. Pew is playing a game. It looks at total population instead of births because Pew knows that the reporting on births would freak people out. They are liars. Let me repeat, they are liars. (Not sure why you don’t see that.)

    After you add in differences in birthrates, which tend to last for at least another generation, and immigration, it’s set in stone that France will be at least 30% Muslim someday. Granted, that day is a long way off, but France will be 30% Muslim for its under 40 population – you know, the population that has kids and blows stuff up – in 40 years. Guaranteed.

    The fact that you believe Pew makes me wonder how serious you are about this situation.

    Will France be majority Muslim within the new 50 years. Very unlikely. Will France’s under 40 population be 30% to 45% Muslim/non-Muslim African within the next 50%? Very likely. Indeed, almost guaranteed on the lower end.

    If France doesn’t cut off non-white immigration within the next decade or so, it is doomed as a Western country. Not a prediction, just a fact.

    Why do you think that France will not become majority Muslim?

    • Replies: @dwb
    Silly -

    no; believe me, I understand that demography is destiny. I also understand how one can track birth rates and the future. One needs only to think about the ideas of incidence and prevalence. So of course, the birth rates matter.

    I lived in Paris. I now live in California. I understand how it works.

    Here is an image I saw seven years ago that has stuck with me:

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-UpQ0Lqkq2g8/TZNTGwHnnuI/AAAAAAAAABM/gmNgHAtu3YM/s1600/Pop+Growth.gif

    Pew plainly is trying to soft peddle the impact. It is hinted in that, one of the projections shows the over-all population of Muslims to grow even if immigration is reduced to zero, which it won' be.

    The point is that France (like other countries - some more precipitously) will continue to become increasingly less "French."

    My point was that France, even with 20 or 30% Islamic people is going to be radically different. Because of their politics (there simply is no Electoral College safeguard, and a multiparty democracy opens the door for all sort of weird coalitions), a minority of 20% can have way out-sized influence. Especially if one of the major parties openly panders to it.
  184. @Rob McX
    I wonder how many people have been murdered or raped because someone was afraid to call the police about a black guy acting suspiciously.

    I wonder how many people have been murdered or raped because someone was afraid to call the police about a black guy acting suspiciously.

    It is as Bernanos said ““We will never know how many acts of cowardice have been committed out of the fear of being thought insufficiently progressive”.

  185. @Mike Zwick
    These were men but, https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/cvs-calls-cops-over-coupon_us_5b4df7abe4b0fd5c73bf355d

    My deepest sympathies go out to this man and his coworker, both fired for doing their job. A photocopy of a coupon is never legitimate, and I’ve had to call the police twice myself in similar situations in my career in retail. But i have never gotten fired, nor did i worry about consequences, because neither of these customers were black.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Did you watch the video? One of the clerks is trembling so hard he can barely hold the phone steady when talking to the police. Also, he was running for local alderman, so that dream is probably dashed now, as well.
  186. @Pat Boyle
    I don't think we need another name. When I taught statistics I always used the real terms. There are only a few concepts in first semester statistics but the "Neyman-Pearson Lemma" is one of them. If you take stat in some benighted sociology department the text will save the ears of the poor little dears from all that terribly upsetting math terminology.

    Last week here I recommended that everyone make Algebra I twice. The same is true for statistics.

    Last week here I recommended that everyone make Algebra I twice. The same is true for statistics.

    I missed this. Could you state (or restate) the rationale(s) behind both recommendations?

  187. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:
    @dearieme
    "Becky" as in Rebecca? A biblical name, isn't it? So not just racist but conceivably anti-semitic? Surely there must be some (non-absurd) white-girl names that are not of Jewish origin? Do you have no Fionas in the US? Or Æthelflæds? You must have Heidis.

    Becky vs Blacky.

    Funny thing is most of these Beckys are Libs and Progs themselves.

    Usually, their sin is not doing bad things to blacks but noticing bad things done by blacks. In some cases, they do blow the whistle on innocent blacks.

    Progs are in a bind. They talk the talk but don’t walk the walk. They prefer whitopias, the SWPL world. But in that world, they like to talk about how much they love black people. But their community was created apart from(if not outright against) blacks. They like blacks as symbols not so much as reality. Still, they wouldn’t mind being with blacks who live up to the symbolism of Magic Negro-ness.

    But in order for blacks to behave and act clean-cut(like Obama) when they enter the white community, they must follow certain rules and manners. Some blacks know this. Obama, being half-white and having grown with whites, knew all about how the white world operates.

    But some blacks who enter the white world don’t know and tend to act black. In such cases, their manners must be corrected. Only then can they go from black reality to black ‘symbolity’. As with B.F. Skinner’s behaviorism, blacks must be sent a message time and again. If they act badly, they must be alerted and corrected. They must be conditioned to live up to black ‘symbolity’ that white folks prefer. And blacks without a clue must be under beck-and-call to finally get it. Left to their own devices, blacks tend to LTGTR. No Call, blacks roll.

    For us, this is good. Let white progs be shamed into not blowing the whistle on bad black behavior. Prog yuppie communities will go the way of public schools that couldn’t suspend bad black students. Progopolises will crumble. Mass incarceration and rise of gentrified communities(and return to safety) led many ‘good whites’ into believing that black crime isn’t an issue. Even though the New Policy of tough law enforcement and mass incarceration was the product of out-of-control black crime, the Narrative swept that under the rug. So, the ‘good whites’ who grew up in affluence and safety got the impression that the world is safe and there is NO good reason to get be tough with black behavior.

    This is what happens when enough white idiots confuse black symbols for black reality. They miss the point that the Magic Negro is a therapeutic symbol created to shield white people from black reality. Being naive(or stupid), they think the symbol is real, therefore those who see black reality must be deluded. In fact, those who conflate symbol for reality are the deluded ones.

  188. @Rosie

    In our brave new society, white people are not allowed to be exasperated or concerned by the actions of anyone who doesn’t look like them…
     
    I remember when opposition to "racism" meant that we shouldn't judge people based on the color of their skin. The idea was that White norms were actually just universal norms of civility, and furthermore that it was "racist" to deny this! Ergo, nothing about our schools, communities, workplaces, churches, etc. would ever have to change.

    With that narrative, it becomes very difficult to resist integration on a small scale, or even on a large scale via the abolition of borders. That's why the Boomer hate is, I think often overblown. They were duped and outmaneuvered.

    50 years of Aliskyite agitation later, and we've come to the point where it is racist to affirm that White norms are universal and expect others to honor them. Whether this was inevitable from the beginning I don't know.

    That’s why the Boomer hate is, I think often overblown. They were duped and outmaneuvered.

    Please elaborate.

  189. Anonymous[188] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pat Boyle
    Well I hope I'm wrong but there is also genocide. Maybe the French will simply kill them. We learned in the Algerian War that the French can be quite nasty. If Steve is right about his "most important graph" we may have a move in several liberal and civilized nations to study Nazi death technology.

    We learned in the Algerian War that the French can be quite nasty.

    The is no “the French” any longer. The ethnic group “French” has effectively gone extinct.

  190. @Mr. Rational

    But they seem to forget algebra the day after the final exam.
     
    I sure didn't, but I knew I was headed for a LOT more math after that and I'm an odd duck anyway.

    I'm still using calculus and chemistry I learned freshman year, some 4 decades later, to illuminate things I didn't understand.  This has to be the basis for the assertion "an educated man is never bored."

    I’m still using calculus and chemistry I learned freshman year, some 4 decades later, to illuminate things I didn’t understand.

    Interesting. Such as what?

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    Biomass gasification and celestial mechanics, to name two.
  191. Anonymous[188] • Disclaimer says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Last week here I recommended that everyone make Algebra I twice. The same is true for statistics.
     
    Agree.

    Agree.

    Whyfore?

  192. @Hhsiii
    Not a Type I thing, but also a non-event played up. White man supposedly spits at black man:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.freep.com/amp/795463002

    Hey, when I got bused to school in 1977 I was spat on, nose bloodied, choked, etc. the local paper didn’t say anything about it. I never imagined anyone would give a rat’s ass. Kid’s code was deal with it. I never even told my parents.

    Hey, when I got bused to school in 1977 I was spat on, nose bloodied, choked,

    By blacks?

    • Replies: @Hhsiii
    Yes
  193. @Sleep
    My deepest sympathies go out to this man and his coworker, both fired for doing their job. A photocopy of a coupon is never legitimate, and I've had to call the police twice myself in similar situations in my career in retail. But i have never gotten fired, nor did i worry about consequences, because neither of these customers were black.

    Did you watch the video? One of the clerks is trembling so hard he can barely hold the phone steady when talking to the police. Also, he was running for local alderman, so that dream is probably dashed now, as well.

    • Replies: @Sleep
    Yes, that was the manager. I shake like that when I'm angry too .... and I think he handled the situation better than I would. The news story repeated three times that the manager was "visibly shaking" when dealing with the woman, suggesting his mere emotions were offensive and that simply by being human he was committing a racial offense.

    What should the manager have done? Accepted the coupon? Would that even have been enough? Or would we be hearing now about how offensive it is that he came over to help when the cashier noticed the coupon was a photocopy?

    I've worked in retail for 20 years and dealt with some of the worst customers on the planet, including several situations exactly like this one, but to this day, stories like this still surprise me.

  194. Speaking of Chicago, this brutal sucker punch and beating of a white man by a black on the subway platform has been met with jubilation. See embedded video:

  195. @Forbes

    Russia was more beloved by the left when run by actual totalitarian tyrants rather than a garden variety thug.
     
    When the Soviet Union was communist--it was beloved by the Prog-Left. But remembering that fascism is anything to the right of communism, the Prog-Left of course, opposes non-communist Russia or any attempts at diplomatic harmony with Russia.

    The Prog-Left loved Nixon's detente with communist Soviet Union, they loved perestroika and glasnost with communist Soviet Union, as it meant the US was less actively opposing the Soviet Union, giving the communist regime a chance to prosper as the worker's paradise. Putin's Russia is opposed by the Prog-Left as it is not even attempting to be a communist worker's paradise, much less that its politics/governance is to the right of communism.

    Not everyone on the prog left is hostile to Russia. Classic Bernie Sanders type progs who are sceptical of the MSM aren’t particularly bothered by Russia. It’s the Neo-conservatives and the semi-yuppie Clinton type progressives who are most opposed to Russia. For these people Russia is a corrupt, religious, thuggish, protectionist hell-hole.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    I take your point--I should've included the neo-cons, certainly. I'm not familiar with the Bernie Sanders-types, but I take your word.
  196. Anonymous[135] • Disclaimer says:
    @dearieme
    "Becky" as in Rebecca? A biblical name, isn't it? So not just racist but conceivably anti-semitic? Surely there must be some (non-absurd) white-girl names that are not of Jewish origin? Do you have no Fionas in the US? Or Æthelflæds? You must have Heidis.

    “Fiona” is much more common in the UK than in the US, where it is almost, not completely, unknown.

    “Heidi’ is almost stereotypically German or Swiss. In German it has a certain ring though, and is in the chorus of the German ( but not specifically Nazi) drinking and marching song Ein Heller und ein Batzen.

    Ein Heller und ein Batzen, die waren beide mein
    Der Heller ward zu Wasser, der Batzen ward zu Wein

    Chorus
    Heidi, heido, heida,

    heidi, heido, heida, heidi, heido, heida, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

    From Wikipedia:

    Ein Heller und ein Batzen was frequently sung by the German troops occupying Europe during the Second World War, to the extent that the populations of German occupied countries (notably in France and Poland), designated it under the name “Heidi, heido, heida” (based on the refrain) and mistakenly equated it with National Socialism and Nazism, despite its simple, apolitical nature.

    Even today ignorance of German culture and language has led to a variety of misinterpretations of the piece, which often sparks controversy when played outside Germany.

    This was the case when the German heavy metal band Accept incorporated the melody in the song Fast as a Shark in their fourth album Restless and Wild, and will be the subject of a real trial of intention of a part of the French specialized music press.

    The melody was also taken up in 2005 by the German singer Heino in his album Das Beste Zum Jubiläum.

    This song does not fall under Article 86a of the German Criminal Code, which prohibits the dissemination of signs of unconstitutional organizations, as the case of Horst-Wessel-Lied. The Luftwaffenmusikkorps 4 der Bundeswehr Hamburg, music of the Luftwaffe (Air Force of the Bundeswehr), based in Hamburg, has even included it in its repertoire.

    “Heidi” is also the first name of the disgusting Heidi Beirich, which should cause the name to be used much less in the future.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    That is one bad song.
    , @Hhsiii
    Ha, I went to high school with a girl named Heidi Holst-Knudsen. Haughty and hot.
  197. @Anonymous
    "Fiona" is much more common in the UK than in the US, where it is almost, not completely, unknown.

    "Heidi' is almost stereotypically German or Swiss. In German it has a certain ring though, and is in the chorus of the German ( but not specifically Nazi) drinking and marching song Ein Heller und ein Batzen.


    Ein Heller und ein Batzen, die waren beide mein
    Der Heller ward zu Wasser, der Batzen ward zu Wein


    Chorus
    Heidi, heido, heida,

    heidi, heido, heida, heidi, heido, heida, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
     

    From Wikipedia:

    Ein Heller und ein Batzen was frequently sung by the German troops occupying Europe during the Second World War, to the extent that the populations of German occupied countries (notably in France and Poland), designated it under the name “Heidi, heido, heida” (based on the refrain) and mistakenly equated it with National Socialism and Nazism, despite its simple, apolitical nature.

    Even today ignorance of German culture and language has led to a variety of misinterpretations of the piece, which often sparks controversy when played outside Germany.

    This was the case when the German heavy metal band Accept incorporated the melody in the song Fast as a Shark in their fourth album Restless and Wild, and will be the subject of a real trial of intention of a part of the French specialized music press.

    The melody was also taken up in 2005 by the German singer Heino in his album Das Beste Zum Jubiläum.

    This song does not fall under Article 86a of the German Criminal Code, which prohibits the dissemination of signs of unconstitutional organizations, as the case of Horst-Wessel-Lied. The Luftwaffenmusikkorps 4 der Bundeswehr Hamburg, music of the Luftwaffe (Air Force of the Bundeswehr), based in Hamburg, has even included it in its repertoire.
     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iwb2uPvfW0

    "Heidi" is also the first name of the disgusting Heidi Beirich, which should cause the name to be used much less in the future.

    That is one bad song.

    • Agree: Pat Boyle
    • Replies: @Rich
    Beats every rap "song" I've ever heard.
  198. @Karl
    sorry that I cannot (off the cuff) recite the numerical details - but this question is why we are not allowed to notice the demographics of the AIDS epidemic.

    In the western world, it is ONLY in two subpopulations - male-homosexuals and injecting drug users..... that the false-positive rate of the HIV-seroconversion testing falls below the ACTUAL prevalence.

    If you're a straight male, the odds that a "positive" result on a test are actually meaningful, is more or less a coin toss. It is as likely to be a "false positive" as a "true positive"

    The good news is that there are a lot more interesting ailments in the pipeline – stuff caused by HPV and chlamydia.

    Now in the UK they’re vaccinating girls against HPV as fast as they can, but they’ve only been doing it for less than a decade, and started with a vaccine against only 2 types of HPV, now they do a 4-strain vaccine, though the latest like Gardasil-9 covers 9 types.

    But there are a LOT of people not covered, and as the Chads plough their way through the female population and increased divorce/separation rates bring a new supply of carousel riders, we find that

    Rates of mouth cancer, especially tongue and tonsil cancers, are on the increase, particularly in people in their 40s, 50s and 60s.

    Chlamydia is increasingly prevalent, and the UK NHS recommends under-25s get tested “every year, or when you change partners” – which for some people might mean every week or so.

    Mycoplasma genitalium is another new entrant to the field – like chlamydia, it’s thought to cause infertility, and like chlamydia and gonhorrea it’s increasingly drug-resistant.

    In associated cheerful news, the population least likely to be affected by STI-caused infertility is the most fertile population – Muslim women.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    “or when you change partners.” Living like animals.
  199. @SFG
    I'm late to the party, but has anyone thought that this is basically the situation with false rape accusations? The easier it is to prosecute (or punish) a true rape (or harassment) accusation, the easier it is to prosecute a false one. And when it's he said, she said, the Anglo-Saxon presumption of innocence is a mere nuisance to the feminist. So the net effect is to shift risk from women to men in relationships...pushing the situation after the sexual revolution back to an equilibrium of more long-term relationships desired by women, but with all the risk of ostracism and social sanction borne by men instead of women.

    Men aren't organized *as men*. I wonder what it would take to change that. There's the manosphere, but it's generally not political. You have a couple of guys like Roosh at Return of Kings who try to be, but I have my doubts going to monarchy is going to do much or be palatable to a country with no history of it.

    Thoughts welcome.

    I would think what brings men to the fore is a dangerous/wartime situation with a corroded state and less in the way of police system. When women need male protection, they are valued more. When outgroup competition is high, I doubt you will see much need to consult women.

    As life got cushier, people got softer, people’s feelings were more taken into consideration. Hence the right to vote for women.

    As for rape, and approaching women being taken the wrong way, part of the problem is that women are attracted to a confident man who makes the first move, kisses first, etc. Dominance I guess. Males asking permission for a kiss or sex is really unsexy. Nerds are famously spergy, so knowing what to do is hard. That is why so many white male nerd East Asian pairings exist. Because female Asians will approach. Male “me too” doesn’t exist. There is no risk for the female and they don’t have stigma against approaching it seems. And they like money and providers. White male nerds are like dollar bills left on the sidewalk to them.

    A likely response is for white females to learn to approach desirable white males. Some do already.

    The risk is likely overstated though, don’t you think? How many men are charged and what for? This should tell you something.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    And they like money and providers. White male nerds are like dollar bills left on the sidewalk to them.
     
    Anonym, my good man, do you see the problem with this statement on further reflection?

    I have proffered a couple of theories about nerds' difficulties with women, including:

    (1) Their object-orientation, which tends to make women feel as though nerds are only interested in us for sex, and otherwise could care less about getting to know us. (And of course, nerds are not the only guys who are like this.)

    (2) Their segregation into activities where they rarely have a chance for women to get to know them and see them at their best.

    I don't think women particularly appreciate very forward men unless they are already very desireable for some other reason. Perhaps this is the kernel of truth in the idea that women only find 20% of men to be "above average" in attractiveness. The rest will have to take a different approach.

    "Confidence" is not the solution, or at least that's what I suspect. Rather, what is needed is more casual interaction to improve the odds of sparks flying.
    , @Karl
    200 Anonym > A likely response is for white females to learn to approach desirable white males. Some do already.


    Harvey Weinstein aught me: cold-approaching random chicks in supermarkets is for Becksons
  200. @res

    Is there anyone who knows about the Black-White suicide disparity and what it may mean?
     
    There is a fair amount written on this if you look around. From May: http://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/2679556/comparison-rates-firearm-nonfirearm-homicide-suicide-black-white-non-hispanic

    Results:
    During the 9-year study period, 84 113 homicides and 251 772 suicides occurred. Black–white differences in rates of firearm homicide and suicide varied widely across states. Relative to white men, black men had between 9 and 57 additional firearm homicides per 100 000 per year, with black men in Missouri, Michigan, Illinois, Indiana, and Pennsylvania having more than 40 additional firearm homicides per 100 000 per year. White men had between 2 fewer and 16 more firearm suicides per 100 000 per year, with the largest inequalities observed in southern and western states and the smallest in the District of Columbia and densely populated northeastern states.
     
    Note for those who want to remain maximally woke. Those non-Narrative compliant facts were followed within a week by a new spin: https://www.nimh.nih.gov/news/science-news/2018/age-related-racial-disparity-in-suicide-rates-among-us-youth.shtml

    New research suggests the suicide rate is roughly two times higher for black children ages 5-12 compared with white children of the same age group.
     
    Though reading down a little further we see:

    In contrast, the rate of suicide for black adolescents was half that of white adolescents; these results held when the data were analyzed by sex.
     
    In case anyone thinks I am being overly cynical, try searching for (without quotes) "black white suicide disparity" and see which of those fairly symmetrical facts earns the headlines.

    res–ouch! Why does it seem every particle of truth has its own constituency that feels the need to massage, spin, doctor, and otherwise squeeze itself into an Approved Narrative Template? I get it–always lead with Black victimization.

    Elsewhere, I’ve concealed what I’ve really wanted to say beneath a mess of gibberish and I’ve felt, alternately, very clever, spineless, exasperated and demoralized that truth needs to be artfully concealed if it’s to stand a chance of being revealed at all. Samizdat thinking, maybe, as though censorship existed.

    This has me thinking of the back story to those two researchers (Angus Something or other?) who discovered the inordinate premature deaths of Whites, and were explicitly threatened because their work highlighted disproportionate White suffering. Whew!

  201. @Rosie

    Presumably, white women are pissed about trannies in the girl’s room, winning girl’s track meets, etc., but that goes against The Narrative. Facts inconvenient to The Narrative will be ignored.
     
    There are no trannies in the little girls' room. That is a totally fabricated controversy that has no basis whatsoever in reality.

    Every once in a blue moon, you'll see some ambiguous-looking character that you seriously suspect has a penis. We don't mind them. We never have minded them, because we don't actually think of them as men. When you go to that much trouble to look like a woman, we pretty much treat you as one of the girls.

    The funny thing is that this kind of graciousness was predicated on an understanding that it would not be abused. I can easily imagine a backlash if perverts posing as trannies begin to impose on our privacy. Now, there won't be a backlash, of course, because organized feminism answers to their donors, not the women they claim to represent.

    Of course, men intruding on women's athletic competitions is an unprecedented outrage, but of course nothing can be done, because there is no way to oppose it without undermining the case for feminism in general.

    With regard to men competing against women athletically:

    The showdown will occur when the trans men begin claiming Title IX money.

  202. @Anon

    I’m still using calculus and chemistry I learned freshman year, some 4 decades later, to illuminate things I didn’t understand.
     
    Interesting. Such as what?

    Biomass gasification and celestial mechanics, to name two.

  203. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Yeah, that's not going to happen. I can see European countries severely clamping down on immigration and basically cutting off all non-European immigration. But even if they do that - and I hope that they do - they are still looking at very sizable Muslim and non-Muslim African populations.

    My point is that they're running out of time. In another decade or two, they're Muslim and African populations will so large that it will threaten their ability to have a functioning society even if they stop all immigration at that point.

    France and Germany (and probably England) have to act now. They are importing groups that destroy civilizations.

    I wouldn’t be so sure that we can know the future. It used to be that before WWII most educated people understood that lots of people got killed in war. But until we found out what the Nazis had been up to, few understood the possibility of actual genocide. For some time many refused to believe it. Then historians began to put the Nazi policies in perspective. Other nations in other conflicts we realized had also systematically exterminated whole populations not in fighting but is a deliberate policy of genocide.

    For a while there some Jews refused to acknowledge these other genocides. They wanted to think that the Nazi-Jewish holocaust was a uniquely horrible event in human history. But it wasn’t. It was just the best advertised. When we became sensitized to the possibility, we began to see similar events with the Armenians, the Ukrainians, the Tutsi and many populations in the communist states.

    Nowadays we have institutions and policies that hope to eliminate all genocides. But we as a civilization are not really now under any pressure. If, as so many here worry, that Third World, Muslim and African immigration accelerates – the pressure will rise. Genocide may very well come back into fashion. It’s the obvious solution to too many people.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  204. @Steve Sailer
    That is one bad song.

    Beats every rap “song” I’ve ever heard.

  205. @Forbes
    Load it into the TelePrompTer and Obama reads it--just words. Obama is just a blank slate (or a ghost) on which to superimpose your own thoughts and views. He didn't govern on the basis of much he declared were his beliefs beforehand. or afterward as these remarks reflect.

    I have a Teleprompter. I bought one on Amazon when I was making videos. There are two types; the first type are ones that come from the TelePrompTer company and their competitors. These are purpose-built devices that are used by the professionals. They are damn expensive.

    But you can now get a perfectly functional teleprompter with a standard seven or twelve inch tablet and a web cam (or any video camera). If you already have those devices you just buy the mirror thing-a-ma-bob (the actual teleprompter) for fifty or a hundred dollars or so and Bob’s Your Uncle.

    Just write your text on the tablet and turn it on. The camera sits in the back viewing you through a tilted mirror. You see your text floating in the air directly in front of the camera lens. You are looking directly into the camera which gives a much better result than looking down or to the side.

    Everyone who makes videos should get one.

  206. @Hhsiii
    Kinda like Lincoln’s “better angels of our nature.”

    If Lincoln were a yoga-thot.

    • Replies: @Hhsiii
    Ha, like Abe Lincoln, Yoga Thot Slayer.
  207. @Anonym
    I would think what brings men to the fore is a dangerous/wartime situation with a corroded state and less in the way of police system. When women need male protection, they are valued more. When outgroup competition is high, I doubt you will see much need to consult women.

    As life got cushier, people got softer, people's feelings were more taken into consideration. Hence the right to vote for women.

    As for rape, and approaching women being taken the wrong way, part of the problem is that women are attracted to a confident man who makes the first move, kisses first, etc. Dominance I guess. Males asking permission for a kiss or sex is really unsexy. Nerds are famously spergy, so knowing what to do is hard. That is why so many white male nerd East Asian pairings exist. Because female Asians will approach. Male "me too" doesn't exist. There is no risk for the female and they don't have stigma against approaching it seems. And they like money and providers. White male nerds are like dollar bills left on the sidewalk to them.

    A likely response is for white females to learn to approach desirable white males. Some do already.

    The risk is likely overstated though, don't you think? How many men are charged and what for? This should tell you something.

    And they like money and providers. White male nerds are like dollar bills left on the sidewalk to them.

    Anonym, my good man, do you see the problem with this statement on further reflection?

    I have proffered a couple of theories about nerds’ difficulties with women, including:

    (1) Their object-orientation, which tends to make women feel as though nerds are only interested in us for sex, and otherwise could care less about getting to know us. (And of course, nerds are not the only guys who are like this.)

    (2) Their segregation into activities where they rarely have a chance for women to get to know them and see them at their best.

    I don’t think women particularly appreciate very forward men unless they are already very desireable for some other reason. Perhaps this is the kernel of truth in the idea that women only find 20% of men to be “above average” in attractiveness. The rest will have to take a different approach.

    “Confidence” is not the solution, or at least that’s what I suspect. Rather, what is needed is more casual interaction to improve the odds of sparks flying.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    From my own experience, if a woman is attracted to you enough to want to be kissed, then you need to kiss her. This generally will be preceded by chit chat/flirting, and some alcohol imbibed by both parties. This is an area where the confidence is key.

    If she is giving you buying signs such as finding excuses to touch your arm/hands etc., looking into your eyes, smiling, doe eyes I suppose you could say, adjusting her hair, telling you that she likes you or nice stuff about you, then how do you respond?

    If you are a sperg and have not done enough research on how women work, you will freeze and start thinking that you don't want to end up like Harvey Weinstein. Hell, even back when I went to college they would have signs up about "no means no" and that generaly sort of thing, I can't remember the specifics except to say that they were generally unhelpful to a guy like me who wasn't really very forward at the time.

    Even if you know some of these non-verbal cues, you will find it's hard to believe that this sort of primate behavior is a rule set for a dating game. It seems hokey!

    Another area where confidence is key is in general carriage and conduct. Good posture. Not stuttering. Not making excuses where none are needed. And further down the track, dealing with inevitable s*** tests.

    These things made the difference when I was in college. And they occurred at parties primarily. Of course, you might find some other reason to approach - it could be in a class situation or even just a random interaction, e.g. a fire alarm, passing by someone down a hall or something. That being said I had the advantage of relative good looks, even hidden under bad glasses, bad haircut and poor choice of clothes.

    Ok. To the other things you have said:

    Object orientation. Yes. To get around this, you have to really want to learn how women work. And I think it helps to be interested in humans and human interaction (management and sales for example). There are a reasonable number of men for whom this is just not interesting. They are not motivated by it and too lazy to do what is necessary. Me, I wanted to get laid (intensely), and I am the sort of person who will deal with personally uncomfortable situations to enable that. I recognized personal deficiencies and corrected them. Unlike a lot of nerds.

    Social milieu. I have usually tested at about halfway between extroversion and introversion on personality tests, despite being very strongly NT to use MBTI or uhhh, whatever the OCEAN equivalent was. Many nerds, particularly the ones who have trouble with women, I think are usually in the I camp. They are too introverted to put themselves out there, and to deal with rejection. At least, that's my take.

    If I just stuck to the things I liked doing, e.g. engineering, video games, right wing politics (in college I was libertarian), I wouldn't have been in a position to meet many women. And there was one who had a boyfriend I should really have pursued because she gave me enough signs that I should, looking back on it, and she would have been a great catch. I think. :) No matter who you marry I think you end up noticing all the things that end up irritating you, and everyone has a different set. Applies to women too, I know I have plenty of things about me to irritate a wife.

    In any case, if you want to meet women it's not usually enough to just do your nerdy things and expect a wife to just waltz into your lap. I think it partly comes down into "how badly do you want it?". Do you have more insight?

    Take Derb for example. Tall, probably not unattractive in his day. Maths god. A good catch I would think. Why did he go Asian? I think he was over there in HK for one. And like as not, he was approached if not pursued. I suspect that he may have had interactions with white girls prior to that, but none of a sufficient standard had done what was necessary.

    In a prior era without the easy travel he may never had that option and either had to settle or had to approach. But in the current quasi-diaspora times we find ourselves in, white men and women have to get better at finding each other and courting. In each generation it will be easier though because the genes in the gene pool for yellow fever (or jungle fever) will be transmitted to some half caste. Those who remain will be better at finding a mate in the modern environment, as their parents were able to.
    , @JackOH
    " . . . [W]hat is needed is more casual interaction to improve the odds of sparks flying."

    Rosie, you're a gem. The last five years I've got positive signals from women during "casual interaction" . . . as a retail customer at a bank, drug store, convenience store, liquor store. They're decent women, I suppose, and I put on a friendly personality, I guess. They seem to be roughly country or working-stiff gals, and I'm a bookish, OCD type with concerns about America that are way above my pay grade, and a semi-retirement income that's in the toilet. Maybe I look Garth or Toby, or sumpin'. (I had to get that story out, because it's actually a good people-are-funny story.) In my 60s, I'm out of the dating game, and I've learned to enjoy my own company a lot.
  208. @Forbes
    Presumably, white women are pissed about trannies in the girl's room, winning girl's track meets, etc., but that goes against The Narrative. Facts inconvenient to The Narrative will be ignored.

    The newsroom narrative is to champion anything not straight and white--and to question (interrogate in the current vernacular) anything that is.

    A woman was recently banned from Planet Fitness for complaining about a
    “ visibly aroused” man claiming to be a tranny using the women’s locker room.

    I don’t care about women’s sports but a lot of women do. Plus being in high school sports is points on the college applications and college scholarships .

    The trend of tranny boys in girls sports might eradicate women’s sports entirely. That’s really too bad.

  209. @Anonymous
    I'm a millennial and have never actually heard anyone use the term "Betty," which I assume comes from the Betty and Veronica in Archie comics; Betty's the blonde one. I have only seen it used in social media and the on-line world in general.
    Ditto with "Becky." I've read it on-line but have never actually heard anyone use it.
    I'd also never heard of the "Baby Got Back" video until reading about it here. It was apparently popular when I was about 7 years old, and is of a music genre I have no interest in.
    I also have never heard a blow job called a "Becky." I guess that's black slang that has infiltrated social media.
    The most common euphemism I have heard IRL for it is a "milky." There was even a popular drinking song about milkies when I was in college (I mean an actual song that people sang, not a commercial song). In it, girls who give milkies were referred to as "girls," not Bettys or Beckys or even chicks. Just girls. In any case, guys are not shy about simply saying "blow job," especially when they want one, which is basically whenever they are conscious.
    I think a lot of this slang is limited to on-line interactions. Recently, I've noticed that dogs are now referred to on social media as "goodboys." Not long ago, they were called "furbabies." But I've never actually heard anyone utter either term. It's part of the on-line world. Outside of a cell phone or laptop, a dog is just a dog.

    Ditto. The only time that I haven’t heard “girls” or “chicks” used are Australians who use “Sheila” and Brits who use “bird.” Not really sure where this slang originates from.

  210. @Anonym
    I would think what brings men to the fore is a dangerous/wartime situation with a corroded state and less in the way of police system. When women need male protection, they are valued more. When outgroup competition is high, I doubt you will see much need to consult women.

    As life got cushier, people got softer, people's feelings were more taken into consideration. Hence the right to vote for women.

    As for rape, and approaching women being taken the wrong way, part of the problem is that women are attracted to a confident man who makes the first move, kisses first, etc. Dominance I guess. Males asking permission for a kiss or sex is really unsexy. Nerds are famously spergy, so knowing what to do is hard. That is why so many white male nerd East Asian pairings exist. Because female Asians will approach. Male "me too" doesn't exist. There is no risk for the female and they don't have stigma against approaching it seems. And they like money and providers. White male nerds are like dollar bills left on the sidewalk to them.

    A likely response is for white females to learn to approach desirable white males. Some do already.

    The risk is likely overstated though, don't you think? How many men are charged and what for? This should tell you something.

    200 Anonym > A likely response is for white females to learn to approach desirable white males. Some do already.

    Harvey Weinstein aught me: cold-approaching random chicks in supermarkets is for Becksons

  211. dwb says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Again, always remember that I'm talking about births in France (or Europe) not percent of total population - though, of course, births generally become total population sooner or later.

    That's something that always annoys me when people - especially Pew - talk about minority populations. They always talk about what % they are of the total population, not % of births. That's how you know that they're being disingenuous.

    Frankly, Pew is full of shit. To understand what a country's demographics will be, you need only look at three things: 1) Births; 2: Birthrates among various populations; and 3) Immigration. Whether you look at birth names or sickle cell tests, it's obvious that France births are in the ball park of 20% Muslim - at least. In addition, there's another 5% to 10% African-descent births.

    That's right now. Pew is playing a game. It looks at total population instead of births because Pew knows that the reporting on births would freak people out. They are liars. Let me repeat, they are liars. (Not sure why you don't see that.)

    After you add in differences in birthrates, which tend to last for at least another generation, and immigration, it's set in stone that France will be at least 30% Muslim someday. Granted, that day is a long way off, but France will be 30% Muslim for its under 40 population - you know, the population that has kids and blows stuff up - in 40 years. Guaranteed.

    The fact that you believe Pew makes me wonder how serious you are about this situation.

    Will France be majority Muslim within the new 50 years. Very unlikely. Will France's under 40 population be 30% to 45% Muslim/non-Muslim African within the next 50%? Very likely. Indeed, almost guaranteed on the lower end.

    If France doesn't cut off non-white immigration within the next decade or so, it is doomed as a Western country. Not a prediction, just a fact.

    Why do you think that France will not become majority Muslim?

    Silly –

    no; believe me, I understand that demography is destiny. I also understand how one can track birth rates and the future. One needs only to think about the ideas of incidence and prevalence. So of course, the birth rates matter.

    I lived in Paris. I now live in California. I understand how it works.

    Here is an image I saw seven years ago that has stuck with me:

    Pew plainly is trying to soft peddle the impact. It is hinted in that, one of the projections shows the over-all population of Muslims to grow even if immigration is reduced to zero, which it won’ be.

    The point is that France (like other countries – some more precipitously) will continue to become increasingly less “French.”

    My point was that France, even with 20 or 30% Islamic people is going to be radically different. Because of their politics (there simply is no Electoral College safeguard, and a multiparty democracy opens the door for all sort of weird coalitions), a minority of 20% can have way out-sized influence. Especially if one of the major parties openly panders to it.

    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Got it. And, yes, you are correct. France doesn't need to be 40% or 50% Muslim for Muslims to have a monster impact on the political scene. A guaranteed block of 20% of the parliament would wield enormous power - unless the ethnic French finally started to vote as a block.

    Regardless of the political situation, the situation on the ground will also be shaped dramatically by Muslims long before they are 30% or more of the population. Even if only 20% of the under-40 population is Muslim, they will control vast parts of the major French cities. That 20% will be closer to 40% of Paris and one or two other major cities. In addition, while Muslims are dumb (and thus very poorly organized), they are willing to fight day in and day out on the streets. They are willing to beat people up who defy them in their neighborhoods. They are willing to go to prison to keep their neighborhoods in line with Muslim morals. They are willing to take on the police in a low-level, but consistent way.

    When you have 20% or 30% of the population willing to fight for what they believe in, while the remaining population is unwilling, the minority population will dominate, at least in their areas.

    The next big step for France is when Muslims start demanding special rules for Muslim areas of cities. Maybe it will never happen, but history says otherwise. Lebanon says otherwise.
  212. dwb says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    the idea that France will be predominantly Muslim is not going to happen
     
    How will the French prevent Muslim domination?

    I strongly suspect that at some point, when it becomes impossible to deny what people’s eyes see, they will take steps. I think that in Europe, the way that the current “asylum” seekers are plainly abusing the system (images of boats filled with young, black men belie the claims of women and children fleeing Syria will become impossible to deny) is going to eventually lead to the political will.

    Will it be too late?

    By “predominant” I mean, “overwhelming numerical superiority.” I don’t see that happening. I could be wrong.

    • Replies: @Anon
    They don't possess enough power to take steps.
  213. @unpc downunder
    Not everyone on the prog left is hostile to Russia. Classic Bernie Sanders type progs who are sceptical of the MSM aren't particularly bothered by Russia. It's the Neo-conservatives and the semi-yuppie Clinton type progressives who are most opposed to Russia. For these people Russia is a corrupt, religious, thuggish, protectionist hell-hole.

    I take your point–I should’ve included the neo-cons, certainly. I’m not familiar with the Bernie Sanders-types, but I take your word.

  214. @SFG
    I'm late to the party, but has anyone thought that this is basically the situation with false rape accusations? The easier it is to prosecute (or punish) a true rape (or harassment) accusation, the easier it is to prosecute a false one. And when it's he said, she said, the Anglo-Saxon presumption of innocence is a mere nuisance to the feminist. So the net effect is to shift risk from women to men in relationships...pushing the situation after the sexual revolution back to an equilibrium of more long-term relationships desired by women, but with all the risk of ostracism and social sanction borne by men instead of women.

    Men aren't organized *as men*. I wonder what it would take to change that. There's the manosphere, but it's generally not political. You have a couple of guys like Roosh at Return of Kings who try to be, but I have my doubts going to monarchy is going to do much or be palatable to a country with no history of it.

    Thoughts welcome.

    My own view is that one of the prime reasons Donald Trump was able to win an election in spite of the “19 women to come forward” false accusation is that the country has become more and more red pilled over time. It is a hard thing to notice because all of the changes have been organic and not top down or organized. 8 years prior, coordinated blow like that might have taken him down.

    These fake charges have leaked out of the family court system and are now being openly used in the body politic. (Jim Jordan is the latest such scurrilous accusation) The media cannot report on them out of fear of a women’s backlash but the internet and word of mouth has gotten to the point where everybody not living under a rock has either a first, second or third hand experience with the phenomenon and have wised up.

    Unfortunately for the left, this weapon is now being over used and used indiscriminately further eroding its effectiveness as a kill shot. I also think this is one of the prime reasons Trump was the perfect man for the times. Not only did he have the right skill set for dealing with c&^%y women he was able to rise above it. This is why his ratings would go up after every fake claim / ex squeeze tell all. The country is aware of what is going on and is sick of it.

  215. @Rosie

    Presumably, white women are pissed about trannies in the girl’s room, winning girl’s track meets, etc., but that goes against The Narrative. Facts inconvenient to The Narrative will be ignored.
     
    There are no trannies in the little girls' room. That is a totally fabricated controversy that has no basis whatsoever in reality.

    Every once in a blue moon, you'll see some ambiguous-looking character that you seriously suspect has a penis. We don't mind them. We never have minded them, because we don't actually think of them as men. When you go to that much trouble to look like a woman, we pretty much treat you as one of the girls.

    The funny thing is that this kind of graciousness was predicated on an understanding that it would not be abused. I can easily imagine a backlash if perverts posing as trannies begin to impose on our privacy. Now, there won't be a backlash, of course, because organized feminism answers to their donors, not the women they claim to represent.

    Of course, men intruding on women's athletic competitions is an unprecedented outrage, but of course nothing can be done, because there is no way to oppose it without undermining the case for feminism in general.

    There are no trannies in the little girls’ room.

    On closer reading you’ll discover I never said “little.” Girls’ room is regular name for the female lavatory in a high school–about which there are federal court cases. I’m unfamiliar with a ‘little girls’ room.’

    • Replies: @Rosie
    I stand corrected.
  216. @Anonymous
    Think you're crossing wires a tad. Aussies/NZers use sheila to refer to the fairer sex (it is Irish in origin though - Síle is the Irish version of Cecelia). I think the word/name you're hunting for is cailín ("little girl"), which is Anglicized as Colleen.

    Your explanation/disentanglement sounds right. I’ve heard both Sheila and Colleen, likely in the manner you’ve described, and Sheila first popped into my head.

  217. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Yeah, that's not going to happen. I can see European countries severely clamping down on immigration and basically cutting off all non-European immigration. But even if they do that - and I hope that they do - they are still looking at very sizable Muslim and non-Muslim African populations.

    My point is that they're running out of time. In another decade or two, they're Muslim and African populations will so large that it will threaten their ability to have a functioning society even if they stop all immigration at that point.

    France and Germany (and probably England) have to act now. They are importing groups that destroy civilizations.

    “In another decade or two, they’re Muslim and African populations will so large that it will threaten their ability to have a functioning society even if they stop all immigration at that point.”

    That is an overblown generalization.

    “France and Germany (and probably England) have to act now. They are importing groups that destroy civilizations.”

    Well, I suppose, it’s a matter of Invade The World, Invite The World coming full circle. Europeans, due to their inherent nature to pillage and plunder, as evident by the colonization endeavors and imperialistic entrepreneurship, gimmedats and freestuff for their own posterity. Talk about whole destruction of civilizations!

    When the native people had enough of European chicanery and shenanigans post-World War II, the Europeans reluctantly left, and in the process failing miserably to ensure stability and tranquility in a number of areas that they had dominated. Now, non-Europeans who endured the European wrath are seeking refuge. But this phenomenon is other than surprising, as it is just the nature of human beings, but in particular European stock.

    • Replies: @bomag

    That is an overblown generalization.
     
    Enough truth there to consider.

    Europeans, due to their inherent nature to pillage and plunder, as evident by the colonization endeavors and imperialistic entrepreneurship
     
    Non-Europeans show a greater propensity to pillage and plunder. The Asian and African propensity to over-breed; degrade the environment; and dish out horrors on their fellow man is an order of magnitude higher than the European, who gets picked on in this environment because their advanced industrialization allowed them to project power far beyond others. Not that they were saints, but the horrors they perpetrated in relation to their capabilities was relatively low.

    the Europeans reluctantly left, and in the process failing miserably to ensure stability and tranquility in a number of areas that they had dominated. Now, non-Europeans who endured the European wrath are seeking refuge.
     
    The standard excuse, but I suspect the outcomes were path independent.
  218. @Diversity Heretic
    On the nuclear weapons issue, Great Britain should probably ditch its Trident subs, which are very expensive and seem accident prone. Even the United States ought to think long and hard about maintaining a nuclear capacity as it becomes less and less white. South Africa dismantled both its nuclear weapons and its nuclear weapons capacity before handing the country over to the ANC. Other nuclear weapons states should follow the same course of action.

    “On the nuclear weapons issue, Great Britain should probably ditch its Trident subs, which are very expensive and seem accident prone. Even the United States ought to think long and hard about maintaining a nuclear capacity as it becomes less and less white. South Africa dismantled both its nuclear weapons and its nuclear weapons capacity before handing the country over to the ANC. Other nuclear weapons states should follow the same course of action.”

    Talk about pipe dreams!

  219. @dwb
    Silly -

    no; believe me, I understand that demography is destiny. I also understand how one can track birth rates and the future. One needs only to think about the ideas of incidence and prevalence. So of course, the birth rates matter.

    I lived in Paris. I now live in California. I understand how it works.

    Here is an image I saw seven years ago that has stuck with me:

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-UpQ0Lqkq2g8/TZNTGwHnnuI/AAAAAAAAABM/gmNgHAtu3YM/s1600/Pop+Growth.gif

    Pew plainly is trying to soft peddle the impact. It is hinted in that, one of the projections shows the over-all population of Muslims to grow even if immigration is reduced to zero, which it won' be.

    The point is that France (like other countries - some more precipitously) will continue to become increasingly less "French."

    My point was that France, even with 20 or 30% Islamic people is going to be radically different. Because of their politics (there simply is no Electoral College safeguard, and a multiparty democracy opens the door for all sort of weird coalitions), a minority of 20% can have way out-sized influence. Especially if one of the major parties openly panders to it.

    Got it. And, yes, you are correct. France doesn’t need to be 40% or 50% Muslim for Muslims to have a monster impact on the political scene. A guaranteed block of 20% of the parliament would wield enormous power – unless the ethnic French finally started to vote as a block.

    Regardless of the political situation, the situation on the ground will also be shaped dramatically by Muslims long before they are 30% or more of the population. Even if only 20% of the under-40 population is Muslim, they will control vast parts of the major French cities. That 20% will be closer to 40% of Paris and one or two other major cities. In addition, while Muslims are dumb (and thus very poorly organized), they are willing to fight day in and day out on the streets. They are willing to beat people up who defy them in their neighborhoods. They are willing to go to prison to keep their neighborhoods in line with Muslim morals. They are willing to take on the police in a low-level, but consistent way.

    When you have 20% or 30% of the population willing to fight for what they believe in, while the remaining population is unwilling, the minority population will dominate, at least in their areas.

    The next big step for France is when Muslims start demanding special rules for Muslim areas of cities. Maybe it will never happen, but history says otherwise. Lebanon says otherwise.

    • Replies: @Prof. Woland
    I have long suspected that part of the reason the EU has such an appeal in some countries is that a united white-Christian-Western culture would dilute the impact of a concentration of Muslim's / blacks pouring into one specific. In other words if only France and England were bringing in immigrants from former colonies, that impact could be spread throughout the EU because that is where not only where new laws would originate from but it would make being out-grouped harder in a smaller contained area. Unfortunately, the inflow is now coming in everywhere and the pressure relief valve is already open.
  220. @Buffalo Joe
    I will off myself when Obama publicly declares that people are allowed to have thoughts, ideas, ideals or beliefs that are different than his.

    Careful, dude. You’re talking about the guy who publicly declared both “If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.” and “You’re likeable enough, Hillary.”

    He’ll publicly declare most anything, if it gets him what he wants.

  221. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Got it. And, yes, you are correct. France doesn't need to be 40% or 50% Muslim for Muslims to have a monster impact on the political scene. A guaranteed block of 20% of the parliament would wield enormous power - unless the ethnic French finally started to vote as a block.

    Regardless of the political situation, the situation on the ground will also be shaped dramatically by Muslims long before they are 30% or more of the population. Even if only 20% of the under-40 population is Muslim, they will control vast parts of the major French cities. That 20% will be closer to 40% of Paris and one or two other major cities. In addition, while Muslims are dumb (and thus very poorly organized), they are willing to fight day in and day out on the streets. They are willing to beat people up who defy them in their neighborhoods. They are willing to go to prison to keep their neighborhoods in line with Muslim morals. They are willing to take on the police in a low-level, but consistent way.

    When you have 20% or 30% of the population willing to fight for what they believe in, while the remaining population is unwilling, the minority population will dominate, at least in their areas.

    The next big step for France is when Muslims start demanding special rules for Muslim areas of cities. Maybe it will never happen, but history says otherwise. Lebanon says otherwise.

    I have long suspected that part of the reason the EU has such an appeal in some countries is that a united white-Christian-Western culture would dilute the impact of a concentration of Muslim’s / blacks pouring into one specific. In other words if only France and England were bringing in immigrants from former colonies, that impact could be spread throughout the EU because that is where not only where new laws would originate from but it would make being out-grouped harder in a smaller contained area. Unfortunately, the inflow is now coming in everywhere and the pressure relief valve is already open.

  222. @Rosie

    And they like money and providers. White male nerds are like dollar bills left on the sidewalk to them.
     
    Anonym, my good man, do you see the problem with this statement on further reflection?

    I have proffered a couple of theories about nerds' difficulties with women, including:

    (1) Their object-orientation, which tends to make women feel as though nerds are only interested in us for sex, and otherwise could care less about getting to know us. (And of course, nerds are not the only guys who are like this.)

    (2) Their segregation into activities where they rarely have a chance for women to get to know them and see them at their best.

    I don't think women particularly appreciate very forward men unless they are already very desireable for some other reason. Perhaps this is the kernel of truth in the idea that women only find 20% of men to be "above average" in attractiveness. The rest will have to take a different approach.

    "Confidence" is not the solution, or at least that's what I suspect. Rather, what is needed is more casual interaction to improve the odds of sparks flying.

    From my own experience, if a woman is attracted to you enough to want to be kissed, then you need to kiss her. This generally will be preceded by chit chat/flirting, and some alcohol imbibed by both parties. This is an area where the confidence is key.

    If she is giving you buying signs such as finding excuses to touch your arm/hands etc., looking into your eyes, smiling, doe eyes I suppose you could say, adjusting her hair, telling you that she likes you or nice stuff about you, then how do you respond?

    If you are a sperg and have not done enough research on how women work, you will freeze and start thinking that you don’t want to end up like Harvey Weinstein. Hell, even back when I went to college they would have signs up about “no means no” and that generaly sort of thing, I can’t remember the specifics except to say that they were generally unhelpful to a guy like me who wasn’t really very forward at the time.

    Even if you know some of these non-verbal cues, you will find it’s hard to believe that this sort of primate behavior is a rule set for a dating game. It seems hokey!

    Another area where confidence is key is in general carriage and conduct. Good posture. Not stuttering. Not making excuses where none are needed. And further down the track, dealing with inevitable s*** tests.

    These things made the difference when I was in college. And they occurred at parties primarily. Of course, you might find some other reason to approach – it could be in a class situation or even just a random interaction, e.g. a fire alarm, passing by someone down a hall or something. That being said I had the advantage of relative good looks, even hidden under bad glasses, bad haircut and poor choice of clothes.

    Ok. To the other things you have said:

    Object orientation. Yes. To get around this, you have to really want to learn how women work. And I think it helps to be interested in humans and human interaction (management and sales for example). There are a reasonable number of men for whom this is just not interesting. They are not motivated by it and too lazy to do what is necessary. Me, I wanted to get laid (intensely), and I am the sort of person who will deal with personally uncomfortable situations to enable that. I recognized personal deficiencies and corrected them. Unlike a lot of nerds.

    Social milieu. I have usually tested at about halfway between extroversion and introversion on personality tests, despite being very strongly NT to use MBTI or uhhh, whatever the OCEAN equivalent was. Many nerds, particularly the ones who have trouble with women, I think are usually in the I camp. They are too introverted to put themselves out there, and to deal with rejection. At least, that’s my take.

    If I just stuck to the things I liked doing, e.g. engineering, video games, right wing politics (in college I was libertarian), I wouldn’t have been in a position to meet many women. And there was one who had a boyfriend I should really have pursued because she gave me enough signs that I should, looking back on it, and she would have been a great catch. I think. 🙂 No matter who you marry I think you end up noticing all the things that end up irritating you, and everyone has a different set. Applies to women too, I know I have plenty of things about me to irritate a wife.

    In any case, if you want to meet women it’s not usually enough to just do your nerdy things and expect a wife to just waltz into your lap. I think it partly comes down into “how badly do you want it?”. Do you have more insight?

    Take Derb for example. Tall, probably not unattractive in his day. Maths god. A good catch I would think. Why did he go Asian? I think he was over there in HK for one. And like as not, he was approached if not pursued. I suspect that he may have had interactions with white girls prior to that, but none of a sufficient standard had done what was necessary.

    In a prior era without the easy travel he may never had that option and either had to settle or had to approach. But in the current quasi-diaspora times we find ourselves in, white men and women have to get better at finding each other and courting. In each generation it will be easier though because the genes in the gene pool for yellow fever (or jungle fever) will be transmitted to some half caste. Those who remain will be better at finding a mate in the modern environment, as their parents were able to.

    • Replies: @Anon

    you will find it’s hard to believe that this sort of primate behavior is a rule set for a dating game. It seems hokey!
     
    What do you mean by this?
    , @Logan
    FWIW, Derb met his wife when teaching at a school in Manchuria. She was one of his students.
    , @Rosie

    Even if you know some of these non-verbal cues, you will find it’s hard to believe that this sort of primate behavior is a rule set for a dating game. It seems hokey!
     
    Lololol my achin' sides:). I thought this was common sense. I had no idea this was something that had to be explained. You know, it kind of makes me wonder if some of the guys I flirted with before I settled down actually didn't realize it!?! I just assumed they were playing dumb so as not to hurt my feelings, and no doubt they were at least some of the times. All's well that ends well, anyway.lol

    Yes, you are quite correct that at some point you're gonna have to make a move! Otherwise, we'll just assume you don't find us attractive.


    There are a reasonable number of men for whom this is just not interesting.
     
    And the sad part is that many of them would grow into loving and faithful companions, even if their initial motives were somewhat utilitarian and unromantic, to put it charitably. And yes, introverts are at a disadvantage.

    Take Derb for example.
     
    I will say this: Women need to do their fair share in terms of taking risks to find a good match. Women are generally more outgoing, and we have certain practical advantages when it comes to making contact. OTOH, as you say, we're not going to come right out and say we're interested in so many words. We have to be able to save face if our interest isn't reciprocated, so men certainly need to be able to pick up on our cues!
  223. @Forbes

    There are no trannies in the little girls’ room.
     
    On closer reading you'll discover I never said "little." Girls' room is regular name for the female lavatory in a high school--about which there are federal court cases. I'm unfamiliar with a 'little girls' room.'

    I stand corrected.

  224. @Anon
    Did you watch the video? One of the clerks is trembling so hard he can barely hold the phone steady when talking to the police. Also, he was running for local alderman, so that dream is probably dashed now, as well.

    Yes, that was the manager. I shake like that when I’m angry too …. and I think he handled the situation better than I would. The news story repeated three times that the manager was “visibly shaking” when dealing with the woman, suggesting his mere emotions were offensive and that simply by being human he was committing a racial offense.

    What should the manager have done? Accepted the coupon? Would that even have been enough? Or would we be hearing now about how offensive it is that he came over to help when the cashier noticed the coupon was a photocopy?

    I’ve worked in retail for 20 years and dealt with some of the worst customers on the planet, including several situations exactly like this one, but to this day, stories like this still surprise me.

    • Replies: @Anon
    I didn't mean to fault the manager. I think his trembling reflects discomfort, fear, and good faith.
  225. @Rosie

    And they like money and providers. White male nerds are like dollar bills left on the sidewalk to them.
     
    Anonym, my good man, do you see the problem with this statement on further reflection?

    I have proffered a couple of theories about nerds' difficulties with women, including:

    (1) Their object-orientation, which tends to make women feel as though nerds are only interested in us for sex, and otherwise could care less about getting to know us. (And of course, nerds are not the only guys who are like this.)

    (2) Their segregation into activities where they rarely have a chance for women to get to know them and see them at their best.

    I don't think women particularly appreciate very forward men unless they are already very desireable for some other reason. Perhaps this is the kernel of truth in the idea that women only find 20% of men to be "above average" in attractiveness. The rest will have to take a different approach.

    "Confidence" is not the solution, or at least that's what I suspect. Rather, what is needed is more casual interaction to improve the odds of sparks flying.

    ” . . . [W]hat is needed is more casual interaction to improve the odds of sparks flying.”

    Rosie, you’re a gem. The last five years I’ve got positive signals from women during “casual interaction” . . . as a retail customer at a bank, drug store, convenience store, liquor store. They’re decent women, I suppose, and I put on a friendly personality, I guess. They seem to be roughly country or working-stiff gals, and I’m a bookish, OCD type with concerns about America that are way above my pay grade, and a semi-retirement income that’s in the toilet. Maybe I look Garth or Toby, or sumpin’. (I had to get that story out, because it’s actually a good people-are-funny story.) In my 60s, I’m out of the dating game, and I’ve learned to enjoy my own company a lot.

  226. @dwb
    I strongly suspect that at some point, when it becomes impossible to deny what people's eyes see, they will take steps. I think that in Europe, the way that the current "asylum" seekers are plainly abusing the system (images of boats filled with young, black men belie the claims of women and children fleeing Syria will become impossible to deny) is going to eventually lead to the political will.

    Will it be too late?

    By "predominant" I mean, "overwhelming numerical superiority." I don't see that happening. I could be wrong.

    They don’t possess enough power to take steps.

  227. @Anonym
    From my own experience, if a woman is attracted to you enough to want to be kissed, then you need to kiss her. This generally will be preceded by chit chat/flirting, and some alcohol imbibed by both parties. This is an area where the confidence is key.

    If she is giving you buying signs such as finding excuses to touch your arm/hands etc., looking into your eyes, smiling, doe eyes I suppose you could say, adjusting her hair, telling you that she likes you or nice stuff about you, then how do you respond?

    If you are a sperg and have not done enough research on how women work, you will freeze and start thinking that you don't want to end up like Harvey Weinstein. Hell, even back when I went to college they would have signs up about "no means no" and that generaly sort of thing, I can't remember the specifics except to say that they were generally unhelpful to a guy like me who wasn't really very forward at the time.

    Even if you know some of these non-verbal cues, you will find it's hard to believe that this sort of primate behavior is a rule set for a dating game. It seems hokey!

    Another area where confidence is key is in general carriage and conduct. Good posture. Not stuttering. Not making excuses where none are needed. And further down the track, dealing with inevitable s*** tests.

    These things made the difference when I was in college. And they occurred at parties primarily. Of course, you might find some other reason to approach - it could be in a class situation or even just a random interaction, e.g. a fire alarm, passing by someone down a hall or something. That being said I had the advantage of relative good looks, even hidden under bad glasses, bad haircut and poor choice of clothes.

    Ok. To the other things you have said:

    Object orientation. Yes. To get around this, you have to really want to learn how women work. And I think it helps to be interested in humans and human interaction (management and sales for example). There are a reasonable number of men for whom this is just not interesting. They are not motivated by it and too lazy to do what is necessary. Me, I wanted to get laid (intensely), and I am the sort of person who will deal with personally uncomfortable situations to enable that. I recognized personal deficiencies and corrected them. Unlike a lot of nerds.

    Social milieu. I have usually tested at about halfway between extroversion and introversion on personality tests, despite being very strongly NT to use MBTI or uhhh, whatever the OCEAN equivalent was. Many nerds, particularly the ones who have trouble with women, I think are usually in the I camp. They are too introverted to put themselves out there, and to deal with rejection. At least, that's my take.

    If I just stuck to the things I liked doing, e.g. engineering, video games, right wing politics (in college I was libertarian), I wouldn't have been in a position to meet many women. And there was one who had a boyfriend I should really have pursued because she gave me enough signs that I should, looking back on it, and she would have been a great catch. I think. :) No matter who you marry I think you end up noticing all the things that end up irritating you, and everyone has a different set. Applies to women too, I know I have plenty of things about me to irritate a wife.

    In any case, if you want to meet women it's not usually enough to just do your nerdy things and expect a wife to just waltz into your lap. I think it partly comes down into "how badly do you want it?". Do you have more insight?

    Take Derb for example. Tall, probably not unattractive in his day. Maths god. A good catch I would think. Why did he go Asian? I think he was over there in HK for one. And like as not, he was approached if not pursued. I suspect that he may have had interactions with white girls prior to that, but none of a sufficient standard had done what was necessary.

    In a prior era without the easy travel he may never had that option and either had to settle or had to approach. But in the current quasi-diaspora times we find ourselves in, white men and women have to get better at finding each other and courting. In each generation it will be easier though because the genes in the gene pool for yellow fever (or jungle fever) will be transmitted to some half caste. Those who remain will be better at finding a mate in the modern environment, as their parents were able to.

    you will find it’s hard to believe that this sort of primate behavior is a rule set for a dating game. It seems hokey!

    What do you mean by this?

    • Replies: @Anonym
    What do you mean by this?

    Kinsey said that the buttocks is the primary sexual presentation site in primates. It's that to a large extent with humans too, with breasts being equal or greater in a few ethnicities and individuals among them. You will see that if a woman wants to impress a guy. Look at dancing for example.

    To be honest I am not a primate expert and am kind of taking that on faith from someone I respect, but it does stand to reason that the sort of courtship displays would be similar in primates and humans. Fighting also follows something of a dance with humans. Google something like "Geoff Thompson fighting neck pecking", he describes the fighting preliminary dances that human males do.

    In any case, there is definitely a courtship ritual with humans. I'm sure Game sites can elaborate more. Preening behavior (typically fixing hair or clothes), mirroring of movements, gaze patterns, touching of hands/arms, a kiss, and so on and so forth. This is what you would expect with something with a DNA code, there is also a subset of the code devoted to continuing the species. It's mostly primate, maybe with some pig thrown in.

    Why does it seem hokey? A lot of nerds can relate to Star Trek's Spock or Data, in not really understanding or trusting feelings, only being comfortable in the world of objects and logic. For example, chances are good that someone has already said to you that if a girl is preening in front of you, it's an indication that she likes you and you probably won't get rejected if you talk to her. I remember thinking "But how do you KNOW?". They should tell you. But that's not how it works. There is an unwritten rule set. Guys who have a lot of success with women understand the unwritten rules, guys who date their hand do not play by this rule set either by being oblivious to it or wilfully wanting to dictate a set of rules that they are comfortable with but no one follows.
  228. @Sleep
    Yes, that was the manager. I shake like that when I'm angry too .... and I think he handled the situation better than I would. The news story repeated three times that the manager was "visibly shaking" when dealing with the woman, suggesting his mere emotions were offensive and that simply by being human he was committing a racial offense.

    What should the manager have done? Accepted the coupon? Would that even have been enough? Or would we be hearing now about how offensive it is that he came over to help when the cashier noticed the coupon was a photocopy?

    I've worked in retail for 20 years and dealt with some of the worst customers on the planet, including several situations exactly like this one, but to this day, stories like this still surprise me.

    I didn’t mean to fault the manager. I think his trembling reflects discomfort, fear, and good faith.

  229. @Anon

    you will find it’s hard to believe that this sort of primate behavior is a rule set for a dating game. It seems hokey!
     
    What do you mean by this?

    What do you mean by this?

    Kinsey said that the buttocks is the primary sexual presentation site in primates. It’s that to a large extent with humans too, with breasts being equal or greater in a few ethnicities and individuals among them. You will see that if a woman wants to impress a guy. Look at dancing for example.

    To be honest I am not a primate expert and am kind of taking that on faith from someone I respect, but it does stand to reason that the sort of courtship displays would be similar in primates and humans. Fighting also follows something of a dance with humans. Google something like “Geoff Thompson fighting neck pecking”, he describes the fighting preliminary dances that human males do.

    In any case, there is definitely a courtship ritual with humans. I’m sure Game sites can elaborate more. Preening behavior (typically fixing hair or clothes), mirroring of movements, gaze patterns, touching of hands/arms, a kiss, and so on and so forth. This is what you would expect with something with a DNA code, there is also a subset of the code devoted to continuing the species. It’s mostly primate, maybe with some pig thrown in.

    Why does it seem hokey? A lot of nerds can relate to Star Trek’s Spock or Data, in not really understanding or trusting feelings, only being comfortable in the world of objects and logic. For example, chances are good that someone has already said to you that if a girl is preening in front of you, it’s an indication that she likes you and you probably won’t get rejected if you talk to her. I remember thinking “But how do you KNOW?”. They should tell you. But that’s not how it works. There is an unwritten rule set. Guys who have a lot of success with women understand the unwritten rules, guys who date their hand do not play by this rule set either by being oblivious to it or wilfully wanting to dictate a set of rules that they are comfortable with but no one follows.

    • Replies: @Logan
    Agree. Except that humans ARE primates.
  230. @Almost Missouri
    If Lincoln were a yoga-thot.

    Ha, like Abe Lincoln, Yoga Thot Slayer.

  231. @Anonymous
    "Fiona" is much more common in the UK than in the US, where it is almost, not completely, unknown.

    "Heidi' is almost stereotypically German or Swiss. In German it has a certain ring though, and is in the chorus of the German ( but not specifically Nazi) drinking and marching song Ein Heller und ein Batzen.


    Ein Heller und ein Batzen, die waren beide mein
    Der Heller ward zu Wasser, der Batzen ward zu Wein


    Chorus
    Heidi, heido, heida,

    heidi, heido, heida, heidi, heido, heida, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
     

    From Wikipedia:

    Ein Heller und ein Batzen was frequently sung by the German troops occupying Europe during the Second World War, to the extent that the populations of German occupied countries (notably in France and Poland), designated it under the name “Heidi, heido, heida” (based on the refrain) and mistakenly equated it with National Socialism and Nazism, despite its simple, apolitical nature.

    Even today ignorance of German culture and language has led to a variety of misinterpretations of the piece, which often sparks controversy when played outside Germany.

    This was the case when the German heavy metal band Accept incorporated the melody in the song Fast as a Shark in their fourth album Restless and Wild, and will be the subject of a real trial of intention of a part of the French specialized music press.

    The melody was also taken up in 2005 by the German singer Heino in his album Das Beste Zum Jubiläum.

    This song does not fall under Article 86a of the German Criminal Code, which prohibits the dissemination of signs of unconstitutional organizations, as the case of Horst-Wessel-Lied. The Luftwaffenmusikkorps 4 der Bundeswehr Hamburg, music of the Luftwaffe (Air Force of the Bundeswehr), based in Hamburg, has even included it in its repertoire.
     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iwb2uPvfW0

    "Heidi" is also the first name of the disgusting Heidi Beirich, which should cause the name to be used much less in the future.

    Ha, I went to high school with a girl named Heidi Holst-Knudsen. Haughty and hot.

  232. @Anon

    Hey, when I got bused to school in 1977 I was spat on, nose bloodied, choked,
     
    By blacks?

    Yes

  233. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    I was trying to be extremely conservative. My best guess is that Muslim children make up ~22% of French births, with non-Muslim Africans coming in ~7%. So damn near a third of your future young people are civilization destroyers. That's a lot.

    I'm guessing that Muslim and Africans birthrates are probably in the ballpark of 3.0 vs. 1.8 or so for native French. It's likely that this gap will persist for at least another decade or two. This alone would move Muslim birth up to nearly 30% of all births over time with Africans coming in ~10%.

    That's seems quite likely.

    Then there's immigration. France seems to have pretty low immigration, but even low immigration of almost all men between 20 and 35 will change your demographics. Let's say France keeps immigration down to 40,000 people, again mostly young men. If those men are allowed to bring over wives and have children, that would easily increase the Muslim/African percent of births by 0.5% to 1.0% a year. Even going with the low end of 0.5% a year, that's an additional five percentage points in a decade or ten percentage points in 20 years.

    Best conservative guess is that Muslim births account for 30% to 40% of all births in France in 20 years (one way or the other) with non-Muslim African births accounting for 10% to 15%. So best case scenario for France in 20 years is that the combined births of Muslims and non-Muslim Africans account for 40%, the middle course is ~47% and the bad case scenario (though not out of the question at all) is 55%.

    It's just difficult to see how France would let this happen, but, then again, 25 years ago, I wouldn't have believed that Muslims would make up at least 20% of births in France with non-Muslim Africans account for 5% to 10%. That would have been unimaginable. Yet here it is.

    Regardless, I'm having a tough time seeing how a 40% Muslim/black African France functions. Maybe, it's possible. But there's no way that a 50% Muslim/black African France would be stable. Might be time to start thinking about getting France to ditch its nuclear weapons.

    Yes, and demographic change in a town or region is often not linear. As the younger, more aggressive, intimidating, violent group grows — Muslims and Africans — it becomes more confident.

    Conversely, as the other group keeps dwindling and growing older — white Frenchmen — it suffers more physical attacks, more intimidation, and more cruelty, and thus becomes more afraid and anxious, justifiably. Inevitably, a tipping point is reached and flight out of the region and even out of the country will accelerate drastically.

    Look for large numbers of the French to be bidding against Swedes, English, Germans, and Dutch for property in Poland, Hungary, and even Russia if they’re allowed residency. And not just for retirement, either. Smart Western and Central Europeans will have their kids learning Russian, Polish, or the like, so they have a better chance of winning permanent residency, a college admission, an internship, a job in the country to which they seek to flee as their former countries become hostile foreign places.

  234. @Dain
    White women are going to more often end up in stories like this because because moms care about what's going on in their community. Guys with no dependents could give a rat's ass. (Women with no dependents actually care a little too though.)

    I haven’t found permanently childless women to give much of a damn about developments that affect other people and their children’s safety, rights, culture, and future.

    This includes a longtime former boss and one of my own sisters. That sister has even said, in reference to the decline and alien colonization of our country, “why would I worry about that, I’ll be gone.” I said, “because a decent person cares about what happens to his family and his nation, not just about himself during his life.” No response. Yeah, we get along real well these days.

  235. @Dain
    White women are going to more often end up in stories like this because because moms care about what's going on in their community. Guys with no dependents could give a rat's ass. (Women with no dependents actually care a little too though.)

    I haven’t found permanently childless women to give much of a damn about developments that affect other people and their children’s safety, rights, culture, and future.

    This includes a longtime former boss and one of my own sisters. That sister has even said, in reference to the decline and alien colonization of our country, “why would I worry about that, I’ll be gone.” I said, “because a decent person cares about what happens to his family and his nation, not just about himself during his life.” No response. Yeah, we get along real well these days.

  236. @YetAnotherAnon
    The good news is that there are a lot more interesting ailments in the pipeline - stuff caused by HPV and chlamydia.

    Now in the UK they're vaccinating girls against HPV as fast as they can, but they've only been doing it for less than a decade, and started with a vaccine against only 2 types of HPV, now they do a 4-strain vaccine, though the latest like Gardasil-9 covers 9 types.

    But there are a LOT of people not covered, and as the Chads plough their way through the female population and increased divorce/separation rates bring a new supply of carousel riders, we find that

    Rates of mouth cancer, especially tongue and tonsil cancers, are on the increase, particularly in people in their 40s, 50s and 60s.
     
    Chlamydia is increasingly prevalent, and the UK NHS recommends under-25s get tested "every year, or when you change partners" - which for some people might mean every week or so.

    Mycoplasma genitalium is another new entrant to the field - like chlamydia, it's thought to cause infertility, and like chlamydia and gonhorrea it's increasingly drug-resistant.

    In associated cheerful news, the population least likely to be affected by STI-caused infertility is the most fertile population - Muslim women.

    “or when you change partners.” Living like animals.

  237. @Hibernian
    It's evidence of at least one cop acting stupidly, almost killing an innocent man.

    Oddly, I don’t agree. This guy had killed three people since his escape, including one cop, and went on to kill a couple more before the cops gunned him down a couple days later.

    One of his victims had been a young female convenience store clerk who he raped and murdered. Surveillance footage showed that he came in, pretended to be browsing till customers left, then attacked her.

    I really did match the description of the guy, similar weight and height, 30s, white guy with brown hair and eyes. (But of course how many millions of Americans does that description fit?) I was even dressed somewhat similarly to the last reports.

    I had a bulge in my hip pocket that might have been a gun, although it was actually a paperback. I came in, loitered like I was waiting for others to leave (though that was actually not what I was doing at all). I was “behaving suspiciously.”

    The young lady clerk, who I was only peripherally aware of, was quite reasonably terrified and called the cops. They had every logical reason to believe I was the perp and reacted accordingly. I have no problems with how they handled things, though I would have (briefly) had the cop in question been just a little twitchier.

    My takeaway from this is that “fits the description” or “fits the profile” should always be taken with a hefty dose of salt. Much like Richard Jewell, the hero of the Atlanta Olympics whose life was destroyed because he “fit the profile.” He really, really did fit the profile. Just like thousands of other people. Profiles and descriptions are not proof or even evidence of involvement, and this should never be forgotten. TV shows about profilers too often lead us to forget this.

    The same small town had a double murder several years later. A gunman took two liquor store clerks into the basement and shot them in the back of the head.

    All the liquor store owners in town got together and decided this would not happen again. Thereafter every clerk carried a holstered pistol at all time and shotguns were racked behind the counter. They were trained by the sheriff’s department.

    No more murders by when I left.

    If the young female clerk in my incident had been armed, maybe she wouldn’t have been so terrified. Or possibly she would have shot me in her terror. Who knows?

  238. @Anonym
    What do you mean by this?

    Kinsey said that the buttocks is the primary sexual presentation site in primates. It's that to a large extent with humans too, with breasts being equal or greater in a few ethnicities and individuals among them. You will see that if a woman wants to impress a guy. Look at dancing for example.

    To be honest I am not a primate expert and am kind of taking that on faith from someone I respect, but it does stand to reason that the sort of courtship displays would be similar in primates and humans. Fighting also follows something of a dance with humans. Google something like "Geoff Thompson fighting neck pecking", he describes the fighting preliminary dances that human males do.

    In any case, there is definitely a courtship ritual with humans. I'm sure Game sites can elaborate more. Preening behavior (typically fixing hair or clothes), mirroring of movements, gaze patterns, touching of hands/arms, a kiss, and so on and so forth. This is what you would expect with something with a DNA code, there is also a subset of the code devoted to continuing the species. It's mostly primate, maybe with some pig thrown in.

    Why does it seem hokey? A lot of nerds can relate to Star Trek's Spock or Data, in not really understanding or trusting feelings, only being comfortable in the world of objects and logic. For example, chances are good that someone has already said to you that if a girl is preening in front of you, it's an indication that she likes you and you probably won't get rejected if you talk to her. I remember thinking "But how do you KNOW?". They should tell you. But that's not how it works. There is an unwritten rule set. Guys who have a lot of success with women understand the unwritten rules, guys who date their hand do not play by this rule set either by being oblivious to it or wilfully wanting to dictate a set of rules that they are comfortable with but no one follows.

    Agree. Except that humans ARE primates.

    • Agree: Anonym
  239. @Anonym
    From my own experience, if a woman is attracted to you enough to want to be kissed, then you need to kiss her. This generally will be preceded by chit chat/flirting, and some alcohol imbibed by both parties. This is an area where the confidence is key.

    If she is giving you buying signs such as finding excuses to touch your arm/hands etc., looking into your eyes, smiling, doe eyes I suppose you could say, adjusting her hair, telling you that she likes you or nice stuff about you, then how do you respond?

    If you are a sperg and have not done enough research on how women work, you will freeze and start thinking that you don't want to end up like Harvey Weinstein. Hell, even back when I went to college they would have signs up about "no means no" and that generaly sort of thing, I can't remember the specifics except to say that they were generally unhelpful to a guy like me who wasn't really very forward at the time.

    Even if you know some of these non-verbal cues, you will find it's hard to believe that this sort of primate behavior is a rule set for a dating game. It seems hokey!

    Another area where confidence is key is in general carriage and conduct. Good posture. Not stuttering. Not making excuses where none are needed. And further down the track, dealing with inevitable s*** tests.

    These things made the difference when I was in college. And they occurred at parties primarily. Of course, you might find some other reason to approach - it could be in a class situation or even just a random interaction, e.g. a fire alarm, passing by someone down a hall or something. That being said I had the advantage of relative good looks, even hidden under bad glasses, bad haircut and poor choice of clothes.

    Ok. To the other things you have said:

    Object orientation. Yes. To get around this, you have to really want to learn how women work. And I think it helps to be interested in humans and human interaction (management and sales for example). There are a reasonable number of men for whom this is just not interesting. They are not motivated by it and too lazy to do what is necessary. Me, I wanted to get laid (intensely), and I am the sort of person who will deal with personally uncomfortable situations to enable that. I recognized personal deficiencies and corrected them. Unlike a lot of nerds.

    Social milieu. I have usually tested at about halfway between extroversion and introversion on personality tests, despite being very strongly NT to use MBTI or uhhh, whatever the OCEAN equivalent was. Many nerds, particularly the ones who have trouble with women, I think are usually in the I camp. They are too introverted to put themselves out there, and to deal with rejection. At least, that's my take.

    If I just stuck to the things I liked doing, e.g. engineering, video games, right wing politics (in college I was libertarian), I wouldn't have been in a position to meet many women. And there was one who had a boyfriend I should really have pursued because she gave me enough signs that I should, looking back on it, and she would have been a great catch. I think. :) No matter who you marry I think you end up noticing all the things that end up irritating you, and everyone has a different set. Applies to women too, I know I have plenty of things about me to irritate a wife.

    In any case, if you want to meet women it's not usually enough to just do your nerdy things and expect a wife to just waltz into your lap. I think it partly comes down into "how badly do you want it?". Do you have more insight?

    Take Derb for example. Tall, probably not unattractive in his day. Maths god. A good catch I would think. Why did he go Asian? I think he was over there in HK for one. And like as not, he was approached if not pursued. I suspect that he may have had interactions with white girls prior to that, but none of a sufficient standard had done what was necessary.

    In a prior era without the easy travel he may never had that option and either had to settle or had to approach. But in the current quasi-diaspora times we find ourselves in, white men and women have to get better at finding each other and courting. In each generation it will be easier though because the genes in the gene pool for yellow fever (or jungle fever) will be transmitted to some half caste. Those who remain will be better at finding a mate in the modern environment, as their parents were able to.

    FWIW, Derb met his wife when teaching at a school in Manchuria. She was one of his students.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    FWIW, Derb met his wife when teaching at a school in Manchuria. She was one of his students.

    As I expected. I think it is very likely that she made 90% of the moves in that situation, and got what she wanted.
    , @Logan
    It's been a while since I read his account of their courtship and marriage. But if I remember correctly, there was an attraction there that didn't go much of anywhere. He got back in touch with her some years later thru a mutual friend and took it from there. Her family, especially father, was quite opposed.

    I don't think their story fits well into the "Asian girl traps white money machine" meme.

    They're both, you know, people, not representatives of their ethnicities.
  240. @Anonym
    From my own experience, if a woman is attracted to you enough to want to be kissed, then you need to kiss her. This generally will be preceded by chit chat/flirting, and some alcohol imbibed by both parties. This is an area where the confidence is key.

    If she is giving you buying signs such as finding excuses to touch your arm/hands etc., looking into your eyes, smiling, doe eyes I suppose you could say, adjusting her hair, telling you that she likes you or nice stuff about you, then how do you respond?

    If you are a sperg and have not done enough research on how women work, you will freeze and start thinking that you don't want to end up like Harvey Weinstein. Hell, even back when I went to college they would have signs up about "no means no" and that generaly sort of thing, I can't remember the specifics except to say that they were generally unhelpful to a guy like me who wasn't really very forward at the time.

    Even if you know some of these non-verbal cues, you will find it's hard to believe that this sort of primate behavior is a rule set for a dating game. It seems hokey!

    Another area where confidence is key is in general carriage and conduct. Good posture. Not stuttering. Not making excuses where none are needed. And further down the track, dealing with inevitable s*** tests.

    These things made the difference when I was in college. And they occurred at parties primarily. Of course, you might find some other reason to approach - it could be in a class situation or even just a random interaction, e.g. a fire alarm, passing by someone down a hall or something. That being said I had the advantage of relative good looks, even hidden under bad glasses, bad haircut and poor choice of clothes.

    Ok. To the other things you have said:

    Object orientation. Yes. To get around this, you have to really want to learn how women work. And I think it helps to be interested in humans and human interaction (management and sales for example). There are a reasonable number of men for whom this is just not interesting. They are not motivated by it and too lazy to do what is necessary. Me, I wanted to get laid (intensely), and I am the sort of person who will deal with personally uncomfortable situations to enable that. I recognized personal deficiencies and corrected them. Unlike a lot of nerds.

    Social milieu. I have usually tested at about halfway between extroversion and introversion on personality tests, despite being very strongly NT to use MBTI or uhhh, whatever the OCEAN equivalent was. Many nerds, particularly the ones who have trouble with women, I think are usually in the I camp. They are too introverted to put themselves out there, and to deal with rejection. At least, that's my take.

    If I just stuck to the things I liked doing, e.g. engineering, video games, right wing politics (in college I was libertarian), I wouldn't have been in a position to meet many women. And there was one who had a boyfriend I should really have pursued because she gave me enough signs that I should, looking back on it, and she would have been a great catch. I think. :) No matter who you marry I think you end up noticing all the things that end up irritating you, and everyone has a different set. Applies to women too, I know I have plenty of things about me to irritate a wife.

    In any case, if you want to meet women it's not usually enough to just do your nerdy things and expect a wife to just waltz into your lap. I think it partly comes down into "how badly do you want it?". Do you have more insight?

    Take Derb for example. Tall, probably not unattractive in his day. Maths god. A good catch I would think. Why did he go Asian? I think he was over there in HK for one. And like as not, he was approached if not pursued. I suspect that he may have had interactions with white girls prior to that, but none of a sufficient standard had done what was necessary.

    In a prior era without the easy travel he may never had that option and either had to settle or had to approach. But in the current quasi-diaspora times we find ourselves in, white men and women have to get better at finding each other and courting. In each generation it will be easier though because the genes in the gene pool for yellow fever (or jungle fever) will be transmitted to some half caste. Those who remain will be better at finding a mate in the modern environment, as their parents were able to.

    Even if you know some of these non-verbal cues, you will find it’s hard to believe that this sort of primate behavior is a rule set for a dating game. It seems hokey!

    Lololol my achin’ sides:). I thought this was common sense. I had no idea this was something that had to be explained. You know, it kind of makes me wonder if some of the guys I flirted with before I settled down actually didn’t realize it!?! I just assumed they were playing dumb so as not to hurt my feelings, and no doubt they were at least some of the times. All’s well that ends well, anyway.lol

    Yes, you are quite correct that at some point you’re gonna have to make a move! Otherwise, we’ll just assume you don’t find us attractive.

    There are a reasonable number of men for whom this is just not interesting.

    And the sad part is that many of them would grow into loving and faithful companions, even if their initial motives were somewhat utilitarian and unromantic, to put it charitably. And yes, introverts are at a disadvantage.

    Take Derb for example.

    I will say this: Women need to do their fair share in terms of taking risks to find a good match. Women are generally more outgoing, and we have certain practical advantages when it comes to making contact. OTOH, as you say, we’re not going to come right out and say we’re interested in so many words. We have to be able to save face if our interest isn’t reciprocated, so men certainly need to be able to pick up on our cues!

    • Replies: @Anonym
    Lololol my achin’ sides:). I thought this was common sense. I had no idea this was something that had to be explained. You know, it kind of makes me wonder if some of the guys I flirted with before I settled down actually didn’t realize it!?! I just assumed they were playing dumb so as not to hurt my feelings, and no doubt they were at least some of the times. All’s well that ends well, anyway.lol

    Yes, it is funny, but no, this is not common sense, to the young nerd this is esoteric, secret knowledge. Which is why I write what I do. I was 18 or 19 when one engineer friend (the short guy with the great dress sense) told me that when a woman preens around you, it means that she finds you attractive. I didn't trust this at the time, but filed it away. Even if it was true, what if she was just adjusting her hair? Relying on this could cause rejection! And a socially uncomfortable feeling at best, and who knows what could happen.

    To a certain extent the primate behaviors are hard wired. If you can shut off the logical human part of the brain with alcohol so that your animal brain is increasingly dictating the shots (and it can take a lot - to get me to dance generally required very significant quantities of alcohol), underneath it all I think on some level most men know what to do but don't trust the instincts at first.

    Now, think about all the men who are nerds of a similar mindset who are only moderately attractive or less attractive than normal. They are justifiably even more timid to make a move, because their chances of being rejected are higher.

    I think the chances are very high that some of the men you flirted with didn't realize you were flirting with them, or didn't trust their instincts. I remember in high school there was a girl, who in high school I thought moderately attractive, said in front of others "You know, if Anonym asks me out, I would go out with him." The others were giving me a little bit of a hard time, before that. I thought this might be a trap. I should have just asked her out then and there on the spot! It could not have been more obvious and that is the bookish, socially inept position I was starting from.

    I didn't want other people to know that I had feelings and that I liked particular girls, I didn't want other people to point and say that I had a girlfriend. Don't ask me why! I don't know why that was but I think it's a pretty common sort of way to be among the nerdier of nerds. Maybe it prevents you from being flattened by an early maturing jock. Or maybe that delaying of focus on the female allows the nerd skillset to develop to the point where it needs to be to have resource accruing advantages in life. Nerds are a bit like D&D wizards (I have only done table top actual D&D maybe once in my life btw, but I know the system). It takes a while until they are properly powerful, and before then they can be quite weak.

    And the sad part is that many of them would grow into loving and faithful companions, even if their initial motives were somewhat utilitarian and unromantic, to put it charitably. And yes, introverts are at a disadvantage.

    Exactly. This makes me sad too. And this is one reason why you see so many Asian female white male, especially white male nerd pairings. It's because these men still have urges but they restrain them. These are people who do not trust their instincts and fear rejection greatly.

    Asian women who find a particular male attractive are far more forward than most white women. One thing they will do is invade personal space until the guy is horny and touch, talk, and smile, with patience. (It may be over more than one encounter.) And be less sassy. It's pretty simple, really. Maybe part of it is that personal space is something that expands or contracts in part depending on the population density. In East Asian megacities, the personal space bubbles are contracted. So you can have a female who is intruding into a white male's personal space bubble, into the intimate zone, without meaning to. Perhaps. But realistically this is also something that they do just I think genetically.

    And realistically, white men have attractiveness advantages. The average white male height is already at the highly attractive level. Asian men are naturally more nerdy and less forward than the white male. So the white nerd seems more confident than he really is. And also, East Asians have had a long history of living in cities and chasing resources in the form of money (and probably less attraction to warrior-like men who will approach and take risks). So there is a natural attraction to providers, and women there do more to go after, to compete for the providers.

    Now, my wife is white and my children, naturally also. But I have had enough experience with East Asians to understand the differences. I think it sucks that they are draining some of our excellent brains away. It really hurts our people for East Asian women to capture our introverted, nerd men. We don't have enough of them.

    Yes, our nerds need to learn how to approach. But it would also help if our women learned some of the East Asian tactics - to be more forward, to reassure. There are a lot of marriage material dollar bills on the sidewalk in the form of these men who could easily be picked up.

    I will say this: Women need to do their fair share in terms of taking risks to find a good match. Women are generally more outgoing, and we have certain practical advantages when it comes to making contact. OTOH, as you say, we’re not going to come right out and say we’re interested in so many words. We have to be able to save face if our interest isn’t reciprocated, so men certainly need to be able to pick up on our cues!

    I think you are likely correct for the best looking women, or even the moderately good looking. Sometimes the best looking women are so intimidated they don't get approached much.
  241. Anonym says:
    @Rosie

    Even if you know some of these non-verbal cues, you will find it’s hard to believe that this sort of primate behavior is a rule set for a dating game. It seems hokey!
     
    Lololol my achin' sides:). I thought this was common sense. I had no idea this was something that had to be explained. You know, it kind of makes me wonder if some of the guys I flirted with before I settled down actually didn't realize it!?! I just assumed they were playing dumb so as not to hurt my feelings, and no doubt they were at least some of the times. All's well that ends well, anyway.lol

    Yes, you are quite correct that at some point you're gonna have to make a move! Otherwise, we'll just assume you don't find us attractive.


    There are a reasonable number of men for whom this is just not interesting.
     
    And the sad part is that many of them would grow into loving and faithful companions, even if their initial motives were somewhat utilitarian and unromantic, to put it charitably. And yes, introverts are at a disadvantage.

    Take Derb for example.
     
    I will say this: Women need to do their fair share in terms of taking risks to find a good match. Women are generally more outgoing, and we have certain practical advantages when it comes to making contact. OTOH, as you say, we're not going to come right out and say we're interested in so many words. We have to be able to save face if our interest isn't reciprocated, so men certainly need to be able to pick up on our cues!

    Lololol my achin’ sides:). I thought this was common sense. I had no idea this was something that had to be explained. You know, it kind of makes me wonder if some of the guys I flirted with before I settled down actually didn’t realize it!?! I just assumed they were playing dumb so as not to hurt my feelings, and no doubt they were at least some of the times. All’s well that ends well, anyway.lol

    Yes, it is funny, but no, this is not common sense, to the young nerd this is esoteric, secret knowledge. Which is why I write what I do. I was 18 or 19 when one engineer friend (the short guy with the great dress sense) told me that when a woman preens around you, it means that she finds you attractive. I didn’t trust this at the time, but filed it away. Even if it was true, what if she was just adjusting her hair? Relying on this could cause rejection! And a socially uncomfortable feeling at best, and who knows what could happen.

    To a certain extent the primate behaviors are hard wired. If you can shut off the logical human part of the brain with alcohol so that your animal brain is increasingly dictating the shots (and it can take a lot – to get me to dance generally required very significant quantities of alcohol), underneath it all I think on some level most men know what to do but don’t trust the instincts at first.

    Now, think about all the men who are nerds of a similar mindset who are only moderately attractive or less attractive than normal. They are justifiably even more timid to make a move, because their chances of being rejected are higher.

    I think the chances are very high that some of the men you flirted with didn’t realize you were flirting with them, or didn’t trust their instincts. I remember in high school there was a girl, who in high school I thought moderately attractive, said in front of others “You know, if Anonym asks me out, I would go out with him.” The others were giving me a little bit of a hard time, before that. I thought this might be a trap. I should have just asked her out then and there on the spot! It could not have been more obvious and that is the bookish, socially inept position I was starting from.

    I didn’t want other people to know that I had feelings and that I liked particular girls, I didn’t want other people to point and say that I had a girlfriend. Don’t ask me why! I don’t know why that was but I think it’s a pretty common sort of way to be among the nerdier of nerds. Maybe it prevents you from being flattened by an early maturing jock. Or maybe that delaying of focus on the female allows the nerd skillset to develop to the point where it needs to be to have resource accruing advantages in life. Nerds are a bit like D&D wizards (I have only done table top actual D&D maybe once in my life btw, but I know the system). It takes a while until they are properly powerful, and before then they can be quite weak.

    And the sad part is that many of them would grow into loving and faithful companions, even if their initial motives were somewhat utilitarian and unromantic, to put it charitably. And yes, introverts are at a disadvantage.

    Exactly. This makes me sad too. And this is one reason why you see so many Asian female white male, especially white male nerd pairings. It’s because these men still have urges but they restrain them. These are people who do not trust their instincts and fear rejection greatly.

    Asian women who find a particular male attractive are far more forward than most white women. One thing they will do is invade personal space until the guy is horny and touch, talk, and smile, with patience. (It may be over more than one encounter.) And be less sassy. It’s pretty simple, really. Maybe part of it is that personal space is something that expands or contracts in part depending on the population density. In East Asian megacities, the personal space bubbles are contracted. So you can have a female who is intruding into a white male’s personal space bubble, into the intimate zone, without meaning to. Perhaps. But realistically this is also something that they do just I think genetically.

    And realistically, white men have attractiveness advantages. The average white male height is already at the highly attractive level. Asian men are naturally more nerdy and less forward than the white male. So the white nerd seems more confident than he really is. And also, East Asians have had a long history of living in cities and chasing resources in the form of money (and probably less attraction to warrior-like men who will approach and take risks). So there is a natural attraction to providers, and women there do more to go after, to compete for the providers.

    Now, my wife is white and my children, naturally also. But I have had enough experience with East Asians to understand the differences. I think it sucks that they are draining some of our excellent brains away. It really hurts our people for East Asian women to capture our introverted, nerd men. We don’t have enough of them.

    Yes, our nerds need to learn how to approach. But it would also help if our women learned some of the East Asian tactics – to be more forward, to reassure. There are a lot of marriage material dollar bills on the sidewalk in the form of these men who could easily be picked up.

    I will say this: Women need to do their fair share in terms of taking risks to find a good match. Women are generally more outgoing, and we have certain practical advantages when it comes to making contact. OTOH, as you say, we’re not going to come right out and say we’re interested in so many words. We have to be able to save face if our interest isn’t reciprocated, so men certainly need to be able to pick up on our cues!

    I think you are likely correct for the best looking women, or even the moderately good looking. Sometimes the best looking women are so intimidated they don’t get approached much.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    I meant to say, the best looking women are intimidating, not intimidated.
    , @JackOH
    " . . . [T]o get me to dance . . .".

    Dance lessons. That was when I first learned I was reasonably attractive to bright, attractive, and desirable women.
  242. @Logan
    FWIW, Derb met his wife when teaching at a school in Manchuria. She was one of his students.

    FWIW, Derb met his wife when teaching at a school in Manchuria. She was one of his students.

    As I expected. I think it is very likely that she made 90% of the moves in that situation, and got what she wanted.

  243. @Anonym
    Lololol my achin’ sides:). I thought this was common sense. I had no idea this was something that had to be explained. You know, it kind of makes me wonder if some of the guys I flirted with before I settled down actually didn’t realize it!?! I just assumed they were playing dumb so as not to hurt my feelings, and no doubt they were at least some of the times. All’s well that ends well, anyway.lol

    Yes, it is funny, but no, this is not common sense, to the young nerd this is esoteric, secret knowledge. Which is why I write what I do. I was 18 or 19 when one engineer friend (the short guy with the great dress sense) told me that when a woman preens around you, it means that she finds you attractive. I didn't trust this at the time, but filed it away. Even if it was true, what if she was just adjusting her hair? Relying on this could cause rejection! And a socially uncomfortable feeling at best, and who knows what could happen.

    To a certain extent the primate behaviors are hard wired. If you can shut off the logical human part of the brain with alcohol so that your animal brain is increasingly dictating the shots (and it can take a lot - to get me to dance generally required very significant quantities of alcohol), underneath it all I think on some level most men know what to do but don't trust the instincts at first.

    Now, think about all the men who are nerds of a similar mindset who are only moderately attractive or less attractive than normal. They are justifiably even more timid to make a move, because their chances of being rejected are higher.

    I think the chances are very high that some of the men you flirted with didn't realize you were flirting with them, or didn't trust their instincts. I remember in high school there was a girl, who in high school I thought moderately attractive, said in front of others "You know, if Anonym asks me out, I would go out with him." The others were giving me a little bit of a hard time, before that. I thought this might be a trap. I should have just asked her out then and there on the spot! It could not have been more obvious and that is the bookish, socially inept position I was starting from.

    I didn't want other people to know that I had feelings and that I liked particular girls, I didn't want other people to point and say that I had a girlfriend. Don't ask me why! I don't know why that was but I think it's a pretty common sort of way to be among the nerdier of nerds. Maybe it prevents you from being flattened by an early maturing jock. Or maybe that delaying of focus on the female allows the nerd skillset to develop to the point where it needs to be to have resource accruing advantages in life. Nerds are a bit like D&D wizards (I have only done table top actual D&D maybe once in my life btw, but I know the system). It takes a while until they are properly powerful, and before then they can be quite weak.

    And the sad part is that many of them would grow into loving and faithful companions, even if their initial motives were somewhat utilitarian and unromantic, to put it charitably. And yes, introverts are at a disadvantage.

    Exactly. This makes me sad too. And this is one reason why you see so many Asian female white male, especially white male nerd pairings. It's because these men still have urges but they restrain them. These are people who do not trust their instincts and fear rejection greatly.

    Asian women who find a particular male attractive are far more forward than most white women. One thing they will do is invade personal space until the guy is horny and touch, talk, and smile, with patience. (It may be over more than one encounter.) And be less sassy. It's pretty simple, really. Maybe part of it is that personal space is something that expands or contracts in part depending on the population density. In East Asian megacities, the personal space bubbles are contracted. So you can have a female who is intruding into a white male's personal space bubble, into the intimate zone, without meaning to. Perhaps. But realistically this is also something that they do just I think genetically.

    And realistically, white men have attractiveness advantages. The average white male height is already at the highly attractive level. Asian men are naturally more nerdy and less forward than the white male. So the white nerd seems more confident than he really is. And also, East Asians have had a long history of living in cities and chasing resources in the form of money (and probably less attraction to warrior-like men who will approach and take risks). So there is a natural attraction to providers, and women there do more to go after, to compete for the providers.

    Now, my wife is white and my children, naturally also. But I have had enough experience with East Asians to understand the differences. I think it sucks that they are draining some of our excellent brains away. It really hurts our people for East Asian women to capture our introverted, nerd men. We don't have enough of them.

    Yes, our nerds need to learn how to approach. But it would also help if our women learned some of the East Asian tactics - to be more forward, to reassure. There are a lot of marriage material dollar bills on the sidewalk in the form of these men who could easily be picked up.

    I will say this: Women need to do their fair share in terms of taking risks to find a good match. Women are generally more outgoing, and we have certain practical advantages when it comes to making contact. OTOH, as you say, we’re not going to come right out and say we’re interested in so many words. We have to be able to save face if our interest isn’t reciprocated, so men certainly need to be able to pick up on our cues!

    I think you are likely correct for the best looking women, or even the moderately good looking. Sometimes the best looking women are so intimidated they don't get approached much.

    I meant to say, the best looking women are intimidating, not intimidated.

  244. @Anonym
    Lololol my achin’ sides:). I thought this was common sense. I had no idea this was something that had to be explained. You know, it kind of makes me wonder if some of the guys I flirted with before I settled down actually didn’t realize it!?! I just assumed they were playing dumb so as not to hurt my feelings, and no doubt they were at least some of the times. All’s well that ends well, anyway.lol

    Yes, it is funny, but no, this is not common sense, to the young nerd this is esoteric, secret knowledge. Which is why I write what I do. I was 18 or 19 when one engineer friend (the short guy with the great dress sense) told me that when a woman preens around you, it means that she finds you attractive. I didn't trust this at the time, but filed it away. Even if it was true, what if she was just adjusting her hair? Relying on this could cause rejection! And a socially uncomfortable feeling at best, and who knows what could happen.

    To a certain extent the primate behaviors are hard wired. If you can shut off the logical human part of the brain with alcohol so that your animal brain is increasingly dictating the shots (and it can take a lot - to get me to dance generally required very significant quantities of alcohol), underneath it all I think on some level most men know what to do but don't trust the instincts at first.

    Now, think about all the men who are nerds of a similar mindset who are only moderately attractive or less attractive than normal. They are justifiably even more timid to make a move, because their chances of being rejected are higher.

    I think the chances are very high that some of the men you flirted with didn't realize you were flirting with them, or didn't trust their instincts. I remember in high school there was a girl, who in high school I thought moderately attractive, said in front of others "You know, if Anonym asks me out, I would go out with him." The others were giving me a little bit of a hard time, before that. I thought this might be a trap. I should have just asked her out then and there on the spot! It could not have been more obvious and that is the bookish, socially inept position I was starting from.

    I didn't want other people to know that I had feelings and that I liked particular girls, I didn't want other people to point and say that I had a girlfriend. Don't ask me why! I don't know why that was but I think it's a pretty common sort of way to be among the nerdier of nerds. Maybe it prevents you from being flattened by an early maturing jock. Or maybe that delaying of focus on the female allows the nerd skillset to develop to the point where it needs to be to have resource accruing advantages in life. Nerds are a bit like D&D wizards (I have only done table top actual D&D maybe once in my life btw, but I know the system). It takes a while until they are properly powerful, and before then they can be quite weak.

    And the sad part is that many of them would grow into loving and faithful companions, even if their initial motives were somewhat utilitarian and unromantic, to put it charitably. And yes, introverts are at a disadvantage.

    Exactly. This makes me sad too. And this is one reason why you see so many Asian female white male, especially white male nerd pairings. It's because these men still have urges but they restrain them. These are people who do not trust their instincts and fear rejection greatly.

    Asian women who find a particular male attractive are far more forward than most white women. One thing they will do is invade personal space until the guy is horny and touch, talk, and smile, with patience. (It may be over more than one encounter.) And be less sassy. It's pretty simple, really. Maybe part of it is that personal space is something that expands or contracts in part depending on the population density. In East Asian megacities, the personal space bubbles are contracted. So you can have a female who is intruding into a white male's personal space bubble, into the intimate zone, without meaning to. Perhaps. But realistically this is also something that they do just I think genetically.

    And realistically, white men have attractiveness advantages. The average white male height is already at the highly attractive level. Asian men are naturally more nerdy and less forward than the white male. So the white nerd seems more confident than he really is. And also, East Asians have had a long history of living in cities and chasing resources in the form of money (and probably less attraction to warrior-like men who will approach and take risks). So there is a natural attraction to providers, and women there do more to go after, to compete for the providers.

    Now, my wife is white and my children, naturally also. But I have had enough experience with East Asians to understand the differences. I think it sucks that they are draining some of our excellent brains away. It really hurts our people for East Asian women to capture our introverted, nerd men. We don't have enough of them.

    Yes, our nerds need to learn how to approach. But it would also help if our women learned some of the East Asian tactics - to be more forward, to reassure. There are a lot of marriage material dollar bills on the sidewalk in the form of these men who could easily be picked up.

    I will say this: Women need to do their fair share in terms of taking risks to find a good match. Women are generally more outgoing, and we have certain practical advantages when it comes to making contact. OTOH, as you say, we’re not going to come right out and say we’re interested in so many words. We have to be able to save face if our interest isn’t reciprocated, so men certainly need to be able to pick up on our cues!

    I think you are likely correct for the best looking women, or even the moderately good looking. Sometimes the best looking women are so intimidated they don't get approached much.

    ” . . . [T]o get me to dance . . .”.

    Dance lessons. That was when I first learned I was reasonably attractive to bright, attractive, and desirable women.

  245. @Corvinus
    "In another decade or two, they’re Muslim and African populations will so large that it will threaten their ability to have a functioning society even if they stop all immigration at that point."

    That is an overblown generalization.

    "France and Germany (and probably England) have to act now. They are importing groups that destroy civilizations."

    Well, I suppose, it's a matter of Invade The World, Invite The World coming full circle. Europeans, due to their inherent nature to pillage and plunder, as evident by the colonization endeavors and imperialistic entrepreneurship, gimmedats and freestuff for their own posterity. Talk about whole destruction of civilizations!

    When the native people had enough of European chicanery and shenanigans post-World War II, the Europeans reluctantly left, and in the process failing miserably to ensure stability and tranquility in a number of areas that they had dominated. Now, non-Europeans who endured the European wrath are seeking refuge. But this phenomenon is other than surprising, as it is just the nature of human beings, but in particular European stock.

    That is an overblown generalization.

    Enough truth there to consider.

    Europeans, due to their inherent nature to pillage and plunder, as evident by the colonization endeavors and imperialistic entrepreneurship

    Non-Europeans show a greater propensity to pillage and plunder. The Asian and African propensity to over-breed; degrade the environment; and dish out horrors on their fellow man is an order of magnitude higher than the European, who gets picked on in this environment because their advanced industrialization allowed them to project power far beyond others. Not that they were saints, but the horrors they perpetrated in relation to their capabilities was relatively low.

    the Europeans reluctantly left, and in the process failing miserably to ensure stability and tranquility in a number of areas that they had dominated. Now, non-Europeans who endured the European wrath are seeking refuge.

    The standard excuse, but I suspect the outcomes were path independent.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Enough truth there to consider."

    Not in light of several falsehoods.

    "Non-Europeans show a greater propensity to pillage and plunder."

    Not in the last 500 years. The Europeans invented the Invade The World, Invite The World strategy.

    "The Asian and African propensity to over-breed; degrade the environment; and dish out horrors on their fellow man is an order of magnitude higher than the European..."

    No, dear fellow, you have it backwards. Twas the Europeans who destroyed wilderness and "dished out horrors" of unimaginable consequence.

    "Not that they were saints, but the horrors they perpetrated in relation to their capabilities was relatively low."

    You mean relatively high. The expansion of slavery, the removal of trillions of dollars of resources without just compensation to indigenous peoples, and the implementation of anti-democratic measures...all serve as direct evidence that Europeans are by their nature pillagers and plunderers.
  246. @bomag

    That is an overblown generalization.
     
    Enough truth there to consider.

    Europeans, due to their inherent nature to pillage and plunder, as evident by the colonization endeavors and imperialistic entrepreneurship
     
    Non-Europeans show a greater propensity to pillage and plunder. The Asian and African propensity to over-breed; degrade the environment; and dish out horrors on their fellow man is an order of magnitude higher than the European, who gets picked on in this environment because their advanced industrialization allowed them to project power far beyond others. Not that they were saints, but the horrors they perpetrated in relation to their capabilities was relatively low.

    the Europeans reluctantly left, and in the process failing miserably to ensure stability and tranquility in a number of areas that they had dominated. Now, non-Europeans who endured the European wrath are seeking refuge.
     
    The standard excuse, but I suspect the outcomes were path independent.

    “Enough truth there to consider.”

    Not in light of several falsehoods.

    “Non-Europeans show a greater propensity to pillage and plunder.”

    Not in the last 500 years. The Europeans invented the Invade The World, Invite The World strategy.

    “The Asian and African propensity to over-breed; degrade the environment; and dish out horrors on their fellow man is an order of magnitude higher than the European…”

    No, dear fellow, you have it backwards. Twas the Europeans who destroyed wilderness and “dished out horrors” of unimaginable consequence.

    “Not that they were saints, but the horrors they perpetrated in relation to their capabilities was relatively low.”

    You mean relatively high. The expansion of slavery, the removal of trillions of dollars of resources without just compensation to indigenous peoples, and the implementation of anti-democratic measures…all serve as direct evidence that Europeans are by their nature pillagers and plunderers.

    • Replies: @bomag

    Not in light of several falsehoods.
     
    Time will tell.

    If I'm wrong, we'll still have some of the planet remaining.

    If you're wrong, we will all have to cash in that bond you've posted to cover the damage.

    Europeans invented the Invade The World, Invite The World strategy.
     
    You flatter.

    Twas the Europeans who destroyed wilderness and “dished out horrors” of unimaginable consequence.
     
    European ghettos are a degree better than elsewhere. Europeans have been at the forefront of environmental protection.

    This amounts to a criticism of European capability. If you are the first to burn coal, you are the first to encounter its problems. If you are the first to develop significant North-South trade routes, you are the first to have the chance to make those mistakes.

    In light of European lessons, the record from Asia and Africa doesn't impress.
  247. @George
    The woman who started it all, Stanford Educated Chemical Engineer BBQ Betty, was actually correct. BBQing was occurring in one of the areas not properly equipped to dispose of burning charcoals. So the situation could have been de-escalated by the BBQers swallowing their pride and moving to a properly equipped area. This is also sort of the white female equivalent of George Zimmerman constantly calling the police while packing heat.

    State and local government have an interest in shutting up all the Beckies as responding to their complaints is a substantial cost.

    The suppression of discussion of the Rotherham sex scandal is due almost entirely to the largely white police not wanting to police the dregs of the Pakistani community on a daily basis.

    I wish that a silver lining from these stories would be public exasperation at all of the idiotic local ordinances over which Beckys call the cops — selling water without a permit, BBQing in the wrong place, napping on a bench.

    We used to be a free country. Then again, we used to be a high-trust country that didn’t need busybody city councilors and police to nanny us in every public and private space.

    Though I don’t think it’s really fair to say that the creeping local police state has been imposed due to backlash at demographic and cultural change. Nice White Ladies have been zealous enough in attempting to regulate our every action over the past 50 years.

  248. @Corvinus
    "Enough truth there to consider."

    Not in light of several falsehoods.

    "Non-Europeans show a greater propensity to pillage and plunder."

    Not in the last 500 years. The Europeans invented the Invade The World, Invite The World strategy.

    "The Asian and African propensity to over-breed; degrade the environment; and dish out horrors on their fellow man is an order of magnitude higher than the European..."

    No, dear fellow, you have it backwards. Twas the Europeans who destroyed wilderness and "dished out horrors" of unimaginable consequence.

    "Not that they were saints, but the horrors they perpetrated in relation to their capabilities was relatively low."

    You mean relatively high. The expansion of slavery, the removal of trillions of dollars of resources without just compensation to indigenous peoples, and the implementation of anti-democratic measures...all serve as direct evidence that Europeans are by their nature pillagers and plunderers.

    Not in light of several falsehoods.

    Time will tell.

    If I’m wrong, we’ll still have some of the planet remaining.

    If you’re wrong, we will all have to cash in that bond you’ve posted to cover the damage.

    Europeans invented the Invade The World, Invite The World strategy.

    You flatter.

    Twas the Europeans who destroyed wilderness and “dished out horrors” of unimaginable consequence.

    European ghettos are a degree better than elsewhere. Europeans have been at the forefront of environmental protection.

    This amounts to a criticism of European capability. If you are the first to burn coal, you are the first to encounter its problems. If you are the first to develop significant North-South trade routes, you are the first to have the chance to make those mistakes.

    In light of European lessons, the record from Asia and Africa doesn’t impress.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  249. @Logan
    FWIW, Derb met his wife when teaching at a school in Manchuria. She was one of his students.

    It’s been a while since I read his account of their courtship and marriage. But if I remember correctly, there was an attraction there that didn’t go much of anywhere. He got back in touch with her some years later thru a mutual friend and took it from there. Her family, especially father, was quite opposed.

    I don’t think their story fits well into the “Asian girl traps white money machine” meme.

    They’re both, you know, people, not representatives of their ethnicities.

  250. @dearieme
    "Becky" as in Rebecca? A biblical name, isn't it? So not just racist but conceivably anti-semitic? Surely there must be some (non-absurd) white-girl names that are not of Jewish origin? Do you have no Fionas in the US? Or Æthelflæds? You must have Heidis.

    Don’t overthink. The name Rebecca entered into popular American consciousness in 1903 with the Kate Douglas Wiggin classic book for girls, Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm, which has maintained its popularity with young white girls despite a half century of attempts at woke deconstruction of children’s literature.

    Rebecca has been portrayed on the silver screen by Mary Pickford and Shirley Temple, hence the association of the name with a pretty, fresh-faced white female.

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