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From my new column in Taki’s Magazine:

Straight Shooters
Steve Sailer

December 08, 2021

With mass shootings (such as the high school massacre in Oxford, Mich.) soaring and mass murders (such as the murder-by-car at the Christmas Parade in Waukesha, Wis.) back in the headlines, a new study by two Northeastern U. criminologists sheds needed light on this often confused set of topics.

In “Mass Murder in America: Trends, Characteristics, Explanations, and Policy Response” in Homicide Studies, James Alan Fox and Jack Levin analyze all 448 mass murders from 2006 to 2020 and dispel some of the stereotypes that have clouded thinking upon these gruesome subjects.

They define a mass murder as an event that kills four or more (not including the assailant if he winds up dead), and by any method. …

In contrast, a mass shooting is usually defined as a gunfire incident with four or more people wounded and/or killed.

Thus, the recent school shooting was both a mass murder (four dead) and a mass shooting (eleven struck), while the Waukesha attack was a mass murder (six dead and 62 hurt) but not a mass shooting.

Got that?

… Mass shootings are much more common than mass murders (two dozen times more so in 2021), but individual mass murders get far more publicity, especially if the shooter is white and uses a long gun. …

Blacks are about fifteen to twenty times more likely per capita than the rest of the population to carry out mass shootings. …

According to Fox and Levin, the black share of mass murderers is only about half as bad as the black share of mass shooters: 38 percent black versus 42 percent white, 12 percent Hispanic, and 6 percent Asian.

But that’s still pretty bad: The black mass murder rate is more than four times the white rate, according to an analysis of Fox and Levin’s data by @BostonTea84. …

Read the whole thing there.

 
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  1. “If I had to guess, I’d say a declining fear of going to hell is behind the growth over the past forty years in performative public mass murders.”

    That’s quite a keen point. Judeo-Christian values and morals have largely been denigrated and driven from the schools and the public square. It stands to reason then that this society would produce individuals who think of themselves as their own gods who are not subject to any greater authority. For such individuals murder becomes no big deal.

    • Replies: @Observer49
    @PaceLaw

    Something else to add to this point about not believing in hell - think about the typical white school shooter.

    Pasty, white sperg nerds - exactly the sort of person you would find most contemptuous of religious belief.

    These guys are proud of not believing in hell and view it as part of their superiority. They also see themselves as paragons of consistent rationality, and killing everyone who torments you then shooting yourself to escape fits right in their twisted view.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Corvinus

    , @Jon
    @PaceLaw


    That’s quite a keen point. Judeo-Christian values and morals have largely been denigrated and driven from the schools and the public square.
     
    And it's not just murder, it's everything going wrong. A lot of people these days like to say they are spiritual, but not religious. I'm just the opposite - religious, but not spiritual. Even though I'm not religious, I'm very pro-religion. I know that living as I do in a place where most of my neighbors go to church is why I still get to have most of the nice things the rest of America has lost.
    , @Anonymous
    @PaceLaw


    That’s quite a keen point. Judeo-Christian values and morals have largely been denigrated and driven from the schools and the public square. It stands to reason then that this society would produce individuals who think of themselves as their own gods who are not subject to any greater authority. For such individuals murder becomes no big deal.
     
    St. Paul tells us that in the end times we will see two (connected) things: apostasy and an increase in lawlessness (2 Thessalonians). The Antichrist will be a man of lawlessness (and a Jew). Christ said about the end days, "Because lawlessness will multiply, the love of many will grow cold." (Mt 24:12)

    Sound like any time period you know of ??

    , @stillCARealist
    @PaceLaw

    That was certainly the case with the Columbine lead killer psychopath. Reading about his contempt for humanity was pretty chilling.

    , @Mike Tre
    @PaceLaw

    "Judeo-Christian" is an invented term that did not appear until the mid 1950's. Jews and Christians do not share the same values.

    , @Isaac Nussbaum
    @PaceLaw

    A point of clarification, PaceLaw. While most churches teach a fiery hell of eternal torture, the Bible does not. "Later, God condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah and turned them into heaps of ashes. He made them an example of what will happen to ungodly people." (2 Peter 2:6, NLT)

    Replies: @PaceLaw, @Jack D

    , @AnotherDad
    @PaceLaw



    If I had to guess, I’d say a declining fear of going to hell is behind the growth over the past forty years in performative public mass murders.
     
    That’s quite a keen point.
     
    Thanks Pace. That's what popped for me as well, and i'd copied Steve's sentence for my comment.

    However, it seems unlikely for us to bring back normative public Christianity anytime soon.

    But what would help beyond that is

    a) Getting back to the idea of a nation. You are actually part of people with a past and a future, which you share

    and

    b) Eugenic fertility. Transportation of the criminal assholes. Zeroing out the fertility of the loons and crazies and misfits. Encouraging the fertility of mentally stable, productive people. You push your gene pool toward the later.

    Replies: @Jack D, @PaceLaw

    , @Bill Jones
    @PaceLaw


    That’s quite a keen point. Judeo-Christian values and morals have largely been denigrated and driven from the schools and the public square.
     
    And right there we have the classic example of the meaningless bullshit "Judea-Christian".

    The God of the Jews was all too keen on senseless mass murdering.

    Christ somewhat less so,

    Replies: @nebulafox, @PaceLaw

    , @Jay Fink
    @PaceLaw

    If I understand Christianity correctly can't anyone, including murderers, avoid hell if they find Jesus before they die? Jesus died for their sins. I'm not a fan of this. I would prefer a religion that focuses on sin. One that is extremely judgemental towards criminals and preaches about how they are going to hell. The problem is no religion is unforgiving of bad people. The secular world is all the more loving towards them. No one is against them. No wonder we have so much crime.

    Replies: @PaceLaw

  2. @PaceLaw
    “If I had to guess, I’d say a declining fear of going to hell is behind the growth over the past forty years in performative public mass murders.”

    That’s quite a keen point. Judeo-Christian values and morals have largely been denigrated and driven from the schools and the public square. It stands to reason then that this society would produce individuals who think of themselves as their own gods who are not subject to any greater authority. For such individuals murder becomes no big deal.

    Replies: @Observer49, @Jon, @Anonymous, @stillCARealist, @Mike Tre, @Isaac Nussbaum, @AnotherDad, @Bill Jones, @Jay Fink

    Something else to add to this point about not believing in hell – think about the typical white school shooter.

    Pasty, white sperg nerds – exactly the sort of person you would find most contemptuous of religious belief.

    These guys are proud of not believing in hell and view it as part of their superiority. They also see themselves as paragons of consistent rationality, and killing everyone who torments you then shooting yourself to escape fits right in their twisted view.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Observer49

    Of the big four 2016-2019 massacres mentioned by the four authors, one was directly anti-religious at a church in Sutherland Springs.

    But mostly I think it's due to the lessening qualms about going out with a bang articulated by Hamlet when he thinks about killing himself:

    To sleep, perchance to dream—ay, there's the rub:
    For in that sleep of death what dreams may come,
    When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
    Must give us pause ...
    Who would fardels bear,
    To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
    But that the dread of something after death,
    The undiscovere'd country, from whose bourn
    No traveller returns, puzzles the will,
    And makes us rather bear those ills we have
    Than fly to others that we know not of?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Romanian, @Harry Baldwin, @martin_2, @SunBakedSuburb, @JimDandy

    , @Corvinus
    @Observer49

    “Pasty, white sperg nerds”…

    I would say that this label repeatedly put forth by you, apparently the moral better, and like minded folks is a major factor as to why they turn to shoot people.

  3. The dominant medium controls all thought and action. As sad as it feels to us who think of ourselves as resolutely individual we are swayed by what we think the majority think, we are keenly attuned to the judgment of the majority, so if you can control what people think is the majority conclusion on any subject you can sway at least 80% of us into doing this clearly contra-indicated to our own health.

    People think and behave collectively.

    People who respond outside these norms we call psychopaths or socio-paths.

    The rest of us are hard wired to respond to collective judgement.

    The attenuation of that response is racially metered: clearly Blacks (as Judeo-American press has capitalised) don’t generally share the same collective response as Whites (as Steve Sailer Good-Guy like refuses to capitalise).

    Asians again are a whole new ball game in response to collective approbation or denigration.

    It holds true for all of us that what we think the collective values or denigrates will sway our own choices. Even if we know it’s true it still sits at the back of your mind.

    Whoever said “the pen is mightier than the sword.” was right on the money.

    My own betting strategies are premised on what the collective has placed money on, knowing that money is the final arbiter of judgement.

    But imagine if you could induce a reaction to a new stock via a trusted medium, like friendship groups which expands out to the MSM print and TV? Well, then you have Bill Gates: https://www.mintpressnews.com/documents-show-bill-gates-has-given-319-million-to-media-outlets/278943/

    Everyone knows the stats of Black shooters. The thing to think about is why does it take a Steve Sailer Taki Mag essay to repeatedly point out the obvious to no acclaim whatsoever and, furthermore, knowing that none of what he wrote will make any difference?

    • Agree: Travis
  4. @Observer49
    @PaceLaw

    Something else to add to this point about not believing in hell - think about the typical white school shooter.

    Pasty, white sperg nerds - exactly the sort of person you would find most contemptuous of religious belief.

    These guys are proud of not believing in hell and view it as part of their superiority. They also see themselves as paragons of consistent rationality, and killing everyone who torments you then shooting yourself to escape fits right in their twisted view.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Corvinus

    Of the big four 2016-2019 massacres mentioned by the four authors, one was directly anti-religious at a church in Sutherland Springs.

    But mostly I think it’s due to the lessening qualms about going out with a bang articulated by Hamlet when he thinks about killing himself:

    To sleep, perchance to dream—ay, there’s the rub:
    For in that sleep of death what dreams may come,
    When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
    Must give us pause …
    Who would fardels bear,
    To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
    But that the dread of something after death,
    The undiscovere’d country, from whose bourn
    No traveller returns, puzzles the will,
    And makes us rather bear those ills we have
    Than fly to others that we know not of?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Steve Sailer

    Thanks for the Shakespeare. I'm surprised and glad you have brought up religion, or lack thereof, as part of your speculated explanation for these deadly actions.

    Here's something that has been mentioned in the comments a number of times, but I don't think by you, Steve: For a guy like Dylann Roof say, who could have had a very good reason to be angry at black or anti-White behavior, why shoot up a church, for C____t's sake?! Why not kill the "right" people, or let's say, the people who were really responsible for his problems and who he could have a legitimate beef with? We've probably all wished someone like this, I mean that someone who was up for killing people anyway, would help us take care of problems that we are not voting ourselves out of or fixing via letters to "our" Congressmen.

    We figure that this young guy was rash and didn't know better. We who follow politics more than 95% of Americans and are more intelligent than your Dylann Roofs, ought to know where and with whom the real problems lie.

    We may think, occasionally, "if I were sick and dying anyway, I would take care of some of this before I got in too bad a shape." or "why would that guy kill himself as he did, when he could have at least taken care of some who are truly responsible for the wretched state he was in while he was at it?"

    What it comes down to is religion. The closer one is to death, the closer one may think or understand that the next world is at that point more important than this one. Would you at that point jeopardize your good "record" of whatever sort to help solve problems in this world using violence? It might be the right thing to do, but it might not. How do you know?

    Nice job, Shakespeare.

    .

    Still shooting up a black church vs some evil lying race hustler or whomever, seems a no brainer ...

    .

    I'll go check our your column now.

    Replies: @dearieme, @AndrewR, @Rob, @PaceLaw, @The Real World

    , @Romanian
    @Steve Sailer

    Mr. Sailer, here is an off-topic for you:

    One of the best security-oriented publications online just published a doozy of an article, in which the racism of mistaken yellow peril is matched by the racism of mistaken yellow dismissal. Some of what it writes is obviously true, but the interpretation is so uncharitable and so in line with supporting modern day positions and policies, that the article really does cross into Sailerbait.

    https://warontherocks.com/2021/12/never-thought-they-could-pull-off-such-an-attack-prejudice-and-pearl-harbor/


    Individually, each man pressed for greater awareness of the Japanese threat and an improved warning posture on Oahu in the months and weeks prior to Dec. 7. Yet, they represented the extent of Japanese expertise in the U.S. military: a handful of white men whose unique backgrounds and careers provided them direct contact with foreign language and culture. Though such men understood Japanese military modernization, operational security, and strategic ambitions, their presence alone was insufficient to break the stranglehold ethnocentric groupthink held on Oahu’s defenders. Organizations don’t reap the benefits of diversity and inclusion and effectively combat groupthink without actual representation of otherwise excluded groups. Though McCollum, Layton, Rochefort, and a few dozen others with similar backgrounds represented a small “diversity of thought” in the U.S. military’s perspective on Japan, this was not the same as the kind of service-wide diversity and inclusion that might have broken the ethnocentric groupthink plaguing Hawaii’s defenders.

    ......
    Many of the drivers of ethnocentric groupthink surrounding Pearl Harbor encourage similar prejudicial behavior today. “Experts” like Pratt and Puleston, with their eugenics-laden assertions, are forerunners of modern pseudo-experts who enjoy undue influence over large groups of readers and viewers thanks to the popularity of their platforms and despite their shallow credentials. The widespread belief in Japanese physical and mental shortcomings owed much to a proto-meme culture in which racist political cartoons (including those by the future Dr. Seuss), newsreel animations, and repeated movie tropes saturated popular culture. These cartoons and trope villains reinforced and normalized nonsensical beliefs about the Japanese. In this very same fashion, 21st-century jingoist punditry and racist memes pose a similar threat to effective analysis and decision-making. Their influence works against a clear-eyed, sober assessment of threats and opportunities. Indeed, the modern digital information environment exacerbates these effects, empowering pseudo-experts and overwhelming consumers’ ability to think critically about data sources and biases.
    .....
    It is compelling to consider the potential impact leaders with more diverse perspectives might have had for U.S. defenses on Oahu. Men like McCollum, Layton, and Rochefort held important positions (disproportionately in intelligence ranks) and benefited from unique life experiences. Yet, what if such positions of national security responsibility had been open to Americans of East Asian descent? What if women and ethnic minorities were not systemically excluded? Might a more realistic and objective evaluation of Japanese carrier aviation (and less preoccupation with sabotage and subversion) have tempered ethnocentric groupthink on Oahu?

    Ironically, the Allies achieved a considerable comparative intelligence advantage over Axis foes during the war through gender diversity and inclusion. Large-scale employment of women in imagery intelligence and signals intelligence operations, for example, provided both the raw staffing these laborious tasks required (ultimately several thousand women worked at Medmenham, Bletchley Park, Arlington Hall, and elsewhere) and the pockets of genius that all newly included demographics bring. Consider critical figures like Constance Babington-Smith, whose imagery analysis was critical to Allied understanding of the German V-1 threat; Genevieve Grotjan, who made key breakthroughs in deciphering Japan’s diplomatic “Purple” encryption system; and others like Elizebeth Friedman and Ann Caracristi. This was not tokenism or political pandering: This was the marshalling of national resources in time of crisis. Yet it had its limits. These were overwhelmingly white women, disproportionately from middle- and upper-class Christian backgrounds. Imagine what advantages might have been realized via large-scale inclusion of capable people regardless of gender, religion, sexual orientation, race, or national origin.

    Pearl Harbor Wasn’t an Outlier

    The details of the warning failure at Pearl Harbor illustrate how toxic ethnocentrism, the byproduct of a homogenous workforce, taints analysis and decision-making in various ways. A lack of diversity fosters devastating shared blind spots, skewing the foundations upon which every process is built. Without diversity, some flawed beliefs go unchallenged. Pearl Harbor demonstrates the dangerous results of unchallenged ethnocentric assumptions. Pervasive ethnocentrism and racism lead to disastrous outcomes when they supplant real evidence or lead one to underestimate a foe. These dynamics do not merely reflect the prevailing racial attitudes of the American military of the 1940s. They illustrate how a lack of diversity and inclusion in the national security workforce could have lethal consequences today.

    The private sector has no shortage of industry research that demonstrates how a lack of diversity and inclusion negatively impacts organizational performance. National security organizations are similarly vulnerable. Since national security leaders have made the argument that diversity and inclusion can strengthen their organizations, extrapolations from these industry findings should be further explored for their applicability.

    While organizations lacking diversity risk prejudicial blind spots, teams comprised of people from diverse backgrounds are more likely to mitigate this bias thanks to multiple perspectives drawn from personal experiences.
    ....
    There is a concerning tendency among some to discuss the factors that lead to the ethnocentric groupthink displayed before Pearl Harbor in terms of personal opinions and hurt feelings, as if overt racism were merely impolite — and to dismiss diversity and inclusion as tokenism or wokeness run amok. National security professionals need to remember that ethnocentrism and racism aren’t just politically incorrect or morally objectionable. They’re fundamentally, inherently stupid. Ethnocentrism is dangerous. Ethnocentrism threatens national security. Diversity and inclusion fight ethnocentrism.
     
    Yikes, the arguments are overstated to say the least. The author also attacks the issue from every angle, except for decrying anti-White racism, oikophobia etc.

    Replies: @ThreeCranes, @Anonymous, @Jack D

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @Steve Sailer

    Fardels: a traveler's bundle. I had to look it up, of course.

    , @martin_2
    @Steve Sailer

    What gets me about that Shakespeare soliloquy is that he says in it that no-one returns from death yet just a little while before he was speaking to his father's ghost!

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Steve Sailer

    "But that the dread of something after death"

    Soul-damaged white male shooters just want it to end. Their misery and rage blinds them to the fact that by taking others with them to the undiscovered country they are engaging in the ancient ritual of blood sacrifice. Sacrifice and suffering as prescribed by the Yahweh system aka Judeo-Christian. If this world survives another century it can only mean that the Yahweh system has withered and died.

    , @JimDandy
    @Steve Sailer

    https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2018/08/14/nah-im-just-a-white-guy-sky-king-and-white-male-suicide/

  5. I think it’s more correlation than causation. Mass murderers are psychos who, if necessary, would invent their own theology to justify their deeds.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @Bardon Kaldian


    I think it’s more correlation than causation. Mass murderers are psychos who, if necessary, would invent their own theology to justify their deeds.
     
    Given the outsized percentages of black mass murderers as compared to their percent of the US population, you appear to be making an argument that blacks are more "psycho" than non blacks.

    Is that is what you are trying to say?

    Since "psychos" is rather vague and seems to be your post-facto label for mass murderers, it is rather uninteresting as a point of analysis.

    Given that many of these mass murders seem to occur in scenarios with large groups of other blacks, or that in the context of some criminal beef or revenge. it seems that lack of impulse control would be a major factor with blacks. That is a "psychotic" trait but also found in others aren't true psychopaths.

    "Grievance killers" seems also to be a common factor, whether or not black.

    Seeking some kind of "justice", as opposed to reckless disregard for otherwise innocent bystanders, isn't usually a psychotic trait. There is a rational process of logic, no matter how distorted the conclusion becomes. "Justice killers" usually write manifestos or grievance statements. Blacks as a rule don't do this before Glocking the block party.

    There are also many other useful distinctions: family vs. stranger, workplace vs. home/public space, suicidal vs. "punishment", totally sober vs. impaired, etc.

    All of this is enough to make you want to stay at home at night. Always.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

  6. @Steve Sailer
    @Observer49

    Of the big four 2016-2019 massacres mentioned by the four authors, one was directly anti-religious at a church in Sutherland Springs.

    But mostly I think it's due to the lessening qualms about going out with a bang articulated by Hamlet when he thinks about killing himself:

    To sleep, perchance to dream—ay, there's the rub:
    For in that sleep of death what dreams may come,
    When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
    Must give us pause ...
    Who would fardels bear,
    To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
    But that the dread of something after death,
    The undiscovere'd country, from whose bourn
    No traveller returns, puzzles the will,
    And makes us rather bear those ills we have
    Than fly to others that we know not of?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Romanian, @Harry Baldwin, @martin_2, @SunBakedSuburb, @JimDandy

    Thanks for the Shakespeare. I’m surprised and glad you have brought up religion, or lack thereof, as part of your speculated explanation for these deadly actions.

    Here’s something that has been mentioned in the comments a number of times, but I don’t think by you, Steve: For a guy like Dylann Roof say, who could have had a very good reason to be angry at black or anti-White behavior, why shoot up a church, for C____t’s sake?! Why not kill the “right” people, or let’s say, the people who were really responsible for his problems and who he could have a legitimate beef with? We’ve probably all wished someone like this, I mean that someone who was up for killing people anyway, would help us take care of problems that we are not voting ourselves out of or fixing via letters to “our” Congressmen.

    We figure that this young guy was rash and didn’t know better. We who follow politics more than 95% of Americans and are more intelligent than your Dylann Roofs, ought to know where and with whom the real problems lie.

    We may think, occasionally, “if I were sick and dying anyway, I would take care of some of this before I got in too bad a shape.” or “why would that guy kill himself as he did, when he could have at least taken care of some who are truly responsible for the wretched state he was in while he was at it?”

    What it comes down to is religion. The closer one is to death, the closer one may think or understand that the next world is at that point more important than this one. Would you at that point jeopardize your good “record” of whatever sort to help solve problems in this world using violence? It might be the right thing to do, but it might not. How do you know?

    Nice job, Shakespeare.

    .

    Still shooting up a black church vs some evil lying race hustler or whomever, seems a no brainer …

    .

    I’ll go check our your column now.

    • Replies: @dearieme
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Why not kill the “right” people?

    I often ask myself why the insane kill harmless school children when there are lots of people around they could usefully kill instead. I suspect the question answers itself: they are insane.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Mike Tre, @Bardon Kaldian, @Paperback Writer, @Anonymous

    , @AndrewR
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I never read his manifesto but I think he claimed that the church was a source of anti-white activism. But I concur that he should have paid a trip to the NYT or something

    , @Rob
    @Achmed E. Newman


    why shoot up a church, for C____t’s sake?!
     
    I read that as the c-word, and I thought, “huh, that’s not the context in which one usually sees that word.” Then I realized you meant Christ, and suddenly it made sense.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter

    , @PaceLaw
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Why did Dylan Roof shoot up a black church? I recall reading his “manifesto“ and it was his specific intent to start a race war. He even said that the KKK was now useless (quite unlike how the media portrays the KKK) so he felt that he needed to go on his own and carry out the attack. He wanted to do something so extreme and shocking that it would trigger tit-for-tat retaliation between the races. I am mildly surprised that there was no actual retaliation for the church massacre.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Wokechoke

    , @The Real World
    @Achmed E. Newman


    For a guy like Dylann Roof say, who could have had a very good reason to be angry at black or anti-White behavior, why shoot up a church, for C____t’s sake?! Why not kill the “right” people,
     
    I am always HIGHLY suspect of situations like that. Meaning, I tend to think they are set-ups, a version of a false flag, and the kid "shooter" is a patsy.

    Reasons: 1) When a legislative body has a bill immediately ready to introduce and the current emotional and media pressure is in place to pass it. In this case, it was Gov Nikki Haley signing this confederate flag bill on July 15, 2015 which was introduced to the legislature only days after the Roof attack on June 17. https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/confederate-flag-furor/gov-haley-sign-bill-removing-confederate-flag-n389231

    What does that flag have to do with a mixed-up young guy? Yeah, it doesn't.

    2) When you see these young attackers with those bug eyes, that's a clue that something's not right. Evidently, one of the drugs utilized when MK Ultra tactics are being used caused big, bug-out eyes. It is amazing how many of these young shooters have had them, as in, Newtown, Parkland, this church one, the Gabby Giffords shooting and more.

    NOTE: Sen Kamala Harris had a bill ready to put to the Senate right after the Jussie Smollett hoax. It passed the Senate only 15 days after the fake event! Given how intricate and detailed the process is for these bills, it is only rational to assume that they were already written. (Frankly, I have little doubt that Harris and/or Cory Booker put him up to it for that purpose.)
  7. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Steve Sailer

    Thanks for the Shakespeare. I'm surprised and glad you have brought up religion, or lack thereof, as part of your speculated explanation for these deadly actions.

    Here's something that has been mentioned in the comments a number of times, but I don't think by you, Steve: For a guy like Dylann Roof say, who could have had a very good reason to be angry at black or anti-White behavior, why shoot up a church, for C____t's sake?! Why not kill the "right" people, or let's say, the people who were really responsible for his problems and who he could have a legitimate beef with? We've probably all wished someone like this, I mean that someone who was up for killing people anyway, would help us take care of problems that we are not voting ourselves out of or fixing via letters to "our" Congressmen.

    We figure that this young guy was rash and didn't know better. We who follow politics more than 95% of Americans and are more intelligent than your Dylann Roofs, ought to know where and with whom the real problems lie.

    We may think, occasionally, "if I were sick and dying anyway, I would take care of some of this before I got in too bad a shape." or "why would that guy kill himself as he did, when he could have at least taken care of some who are truly responsible for the wretched state he was in while he was at it?"

    What it comes down to is religion. The closer one is to death, the closer one may think or understand that the next world is at that point more important than this one. Would you at that point jeopardize your good "record" of whatever sort to help solve problems in this world using violence? It might be the right thing to do, but it might not. How do you know?

    Nice job, Shakespeare.

    .

    Still shooting up a black church vs some evil lying race hustler or whomever, seems a no brainer ...

    .

    I'll go check our your column now.

    Replies: @dearieme, @AndrewR, @Rob, @PaceLaw, @The Real World

    Why not kill the “right” people?

    I often ask myself why the insane kill harmless school children when there are lots of people around they could usefully kill instead. I suspect the question answers itself: they are insane.

    • Agree: Old Prude, Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @dearieme

    Besides Adam Lanza, I can't think of anyone who has killed "school children" besides fellow "school children"

    A teenager shooting a bunch of his classmates might be insane but nowhere near as insane as what that demon Lanza did

    , @Mike Tre
    @dearieme

    "I often ask myself why the insane kill harmless school children when there are lots of people around they could usefully kill instead. I suspect the question answers itself: they are insane. "

    It's because they are easy targets and the body count will have a better chance of being high. Those more useful to kill are typically much harder to kill because they are armed or guarded.

    Perhaps those referred to as insane are not so insane after all, but cowards who feel sorry for themselves.

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @dearieme

    Because they're insane ....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwge0nwY4qY

    , @Paperback Writer
    @dearieme

    They kill people who in their sick minds they perceive as having "dissed" them.

    Which may explain why there are no gay shooters. They think they are above everyone else.

    , @Anonymous
    @dearieme

    Travis Bickle was nuts, but still sane enough to realize that killing a bunch of sleazy pimps would look better in the newspapers than killing a popular politician.

  8. Anon[376] • Disclaimer says:

    Could the higher lethality of rifles simply be the higher skill of the shooters, perhaps more likely to have been to a firing range, or at least watched a couple of YouTube videos showing how to use a gun … and being capable of picking up and remembering skills like this.

    • Replies: @Hannah Katz
    @Anon

    Seems like more often than not, if there are four shots fired and four dead, it is a White shooter. If the police pick up 20 or 30 shell casings afterward and there were eight injured, it is a Black shooter.

    , @anon
    @Anon

    Rifles are 1) easier to shoot accurately, even for unskilled shooters and 2) more lethal because of much higher bullet velocity (resulting in hydrostatic shock etc.).

    , @TWS
    @Anon

    No.

  9. So, any chance of a crackdown on mass shooter types before the midterms?

  10. Just so many more Whiteys to kill.

    Seriously, if you model the world based on micro-aggressions generating extreme aggressions then the result would be the 10% minority losing it most often and committing many more acts of anger than the 90% majority.

    You are right with the facts, but you seem to be avoiding the rationale. Probably because you have other explanations you don’t want to state explicitly.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @michael droy

    Obviously, I have vastly more insights than I deign to publish. After all, I'm the greatest genius since Gauss. The theory that I can't resist publishing any and every idea I come up with is, as Jussie Smollett would say, a bold-faced slander.

    Replies: @Pat Hannagan

    , @Mike Tre
    @michael droy

    "Seriously, if you model the world based on micro-aggressions generating extreme aggressions then the result would be the 10% minority losing it most often and committing many more acts of anger than the 90% majority."

    In a world based model the whites are the minority there, genius.

    , @ic1000
    @michael droy

    > if you model the world based on micro-aggressions generating extreme aggressions then the result would be the 10% minority losing it most often and committing many more acts of anger than the 90% majority.

    AnotherDad, is this "michael droy" one of your sock puppets?

  11. I like your analysis of the mass murdering over plain-old murdering rates for these 4 races. You could say it’s a function of how tightly people are “wound”, but why not how well organized or simply how intelligent they are?

    It be neat to read something from you or anyone* about how many of various different types of crimes, that take different intelligence levels, are done by the different races. I know that data is out there on simply the different crimes, but I mean the comparison should be among some index that is a a ratio of the “benefit” of the crime vs. the ease of planning and perpetrating it. Perhaps this would be easier for crimes of theft. Some groups like the white-collar stuff, others the real world of break-ins or plain old muggings.

    About those mass shootings now, I’d guess the religion aspect doesn’t even come into play for most. How many are cold-blooded (thought about and though out ahead of time) vs. hot-blooded shootings over one being dissed or over a girl that showed up at the BBQ? I mean, many of these guys have their “pieces” on them anyway, without initially planning any harm.

    .

    * OK, not just anyone, as most would be too cowardly to publish anything broken down by race.

  12. @Steve Sailer
    @Observer49

    Of the big four 2016-2019 massacres mentioned by the four authors, one was directly anti-religious at a church in Sutherland Springs.

    But mostly I think it's due to the lessening qualms about going out with a bang articulated by Hamlet when he thinks about killing himself:

    To sleep, perchance to dream—ay, there's the rub:
    For in that sleep of death what dreams may come,
    When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
    Must give us pause ...
    Who would fardels bear,
    To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
    But that the dread of something after death,
    The undiscovere'd country, from whose bourn
    No traveller returns, puzzles the will,
    And makes us rather bear those ills we have
    Than fly to others that we know not of?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Romanian, @Harry Baldwin, @martin_2, @SunBakedSuburb, @JimDandy

    Mr. Sailer, here is an off-topic for you:

    One of the best security-oriented publications online just published a doozy of an article, in which the racism of mistaken yellow peril is matched by the racism of mistaken yellow dismissal. Some of what it writes is obviously true, but the interpretation is so uncharitable and so in line with supporting modern day positions and policies, that the article really does cross into Sailerbait.

    https://warontherocks.com/2021/12/never-thought-they-could-pull-off-such-an-attack-prejudice-and-pearl-harbor/

    [MORE]

    Individually, each man pressed for greater awareness of the Japanese threat and an improved warning posture on Oahu in the months and weeks prior to Dec. 7. Yet, they represented the extent of Japanese expertise in the U.S. military: a handful of white men whose unique backgrounds and careers provided them direct contact with foreign language and culture. Though such men understood Japanese military modernization, operational security, and strategic ambitions, their presence alone was insufficient to break the stranglehold ethnocentric groupthink held on Oahu’s defenders. Organizations don’t reap the benefits of diversity and inclusion and effectively combat groupthink without actual representation of otherwise excluded groups. Though McCollum, Layton, Rochefort, and a few dozen others with similar backgrounds represented a small “diversity of thought” in the U.S. military’s perspective on Japan, this was not the same as the kind of service-wide diversity and inclusion that might have broken the ethnocentric groupthink plaguing Hawaii’s defenders.

    ……
    Many of the drivers of ethnocentric groupthink surrounding Pearl Harbor encourage similar prejudicial behavior today. “Experts” like Pratt and Puleston, with their eugenics-laden assertions, are forerunners of modern pseudo-experts who enjoy undue influence over large groups of readers and viewers thanks to the popularity of their platforms and despite their shallow credentials. The widespread belief in Japanese physical and mental shortcomings owed much to a proto-meme culture in which racist political cartoons (including those by the future Dr. Seuss), newsreel animations, and repeated movie tropes saturated popular culture. These cartoons and trope villains reinforced and normalized nonsensical beliefs about the Japanese. In this very same fashion, 21st-century jingoist punditry and racist memes pose a similar threat to effective analysis and decision-making. Their influence works against a clear-eyed, sober assessment of threats and opportunities. Indeed, the modern digital information environment exacerbates these effects, empowering pseudo-experts and overwhelming consumers’ ability to think critically about data sources and biases.
    …..
    It is compelling to consider the potential impact leaders with more diverse perspectives might have had for U.S. defenses on Oahu. Men like McCollum, Layton, and Rochefort held important positions (disproportionately in intelligence ranks) and benefited from unique life experiences. Yet, what if such positions of national security responsibility had been open to Americans of East Asian descent? What if women and ethnic minorities were not systemically excluded? Might a more realistic and objective evaluation of Japanese carrier aviation (and less preoccupation with sabotage and subversion) have tempered ethnocentric groupthink on Oahu?

    Ironically, the Allies achieved a considerable comparative intelligence advantage over Axis foes during the war through gender diversity and inclusion. Large-scale employment of women in imagery intelligence and signals intelligence operations, for example, provided both the raw staffing these laborious tasks required (ultimately several thousand women worked at Medmenham, Bletchley Park, Arlington Hall, and elsewhere) and the pockets of genius that all newly included demographics bring. Consider critical figures like Constance Babington-Smith, whose imagery analysis was critical to Allied understanding of the German V-1 threat; Genevieve Grotjan, who made key breakthroughs in deciphering Japan’s diplomatic “Purple” encryption system; and others like Elizebeth Friedman and Ann Caracristi. This was not tokenism or political pandering: This was the marshalling of national resources in time of crisis. Yet it had its limits. These were overwhelmingly white women, disproportionately from middle- and upper-class Christian backgrounds. Imagine what advantages might have been realized via large-scale inclusion of capable people regardless of gender, religion, sexual orientation, race, or national origin.

    Pearl Harbor Wasn’t an Outlier

    The details of the warning failure at Pearl Harbor illustrate how toxic ethnocentrism, the byproduct of a homogenous workforce, taints analysis and decision-making in various ways. A lack of diversity fosters devastating shared blind spots, skewing the foundations upon which every process is built. Without diversity, some flawed beliefs go unchallenged. Pearl Harbor demonstrates the dangerous results of unchallenged ethnocentric assumptions. Pervasive ethnocentrism and racism lead to disastrous outcomes when they supplant real evidence or lead one to underestimate a foe. These dynamics do not merely reflect the prevailing racial attitudes of the American military of the 1940s. They illustrate how a lack of diversity and inclusion in the national security workforce could have lethal consequences today.

    The private sector has no shortage of industry research that demonstrates how a lack of diversity and inclusion negatively impacts organizational performance. National security organizations are similarly vulnerable. Since national security leaders have made the argument that diversity and inclusion can strengthen their organizations, extrapolations from these industry findings should be further explored for their applicability.

    While organizations lacking diversity risk prejudicial blind spots, teams comprised of people from diverse backgrounds are more likely to mitigate this bias thanks to multiple perspectives drawn from personal experiences.
    ….
    There is a concerning tendency among some to discuss the factors that lead to the ethnocentric groupthink displayed before Pearl Harbor in terms of personal opinions and hurt feelings, as if overt racism were merely impolite — and to dismiss diversity and inclusion as tokenism or wokeness run amok. National security professionals need to remember that ethnocentrism and racism aren’t just politically incorrect or morally objectionable. They’re fundamentally, inherently stupid. Ethnocentrism is dangerous. Ethnocentrism threatens national security. Diversity and inclusion fight ethnocentrism.

    Yikes, the arguments are overstated to say the least. The author also attacks the issue from every angle, except for decrying anti-White racism, oikophobia etc.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    @Romanian

    Following that logic out to its natural conclusion; why stop with only hiring common citizen representatives of alien nations and races? Why not allow their political leaders themselves a seat in Congress and the Joint Chiefs of Staff as well as jobs in our Intelligence Agencies? What better way to know the Mind of our enemies than to let them take over and express it openly in U.S. policy?

    , @Anonymous
    @Romanian

    So drawing semi-literate peasants from Okinawa living as "Japanese" in Hawaii into high-level intelligence work would have given superior insights?

    Insights, e.g., into the abilities and thinking of samurai-class military officers and pilots from Japan proper, working with cutting-edge military technology?

    It is now clear beyond a peradventure of a doubt that F. Delano Roosevelt had actual knowledge of the impending attack which he had painstakingly provoked. FDR and his communist entourate intentionally chose to keep Kimmel out of the loop, having previously ensured that all carriers would be safely out at sea.

    , @Jack D
    @Romanian


    Imagine what advantages might have been realized via large-scale inclusion of capable people regardless of gender, religion, sexual orientation, race, or national origin.
     
    Why, we might have even won the war if we did that!

    That's right. Following our smashing defeat due to lack of diversity in WWII (can you imagine - no women combat troops, no (known) gays, no Muslims, etc.) and Truman's integration of the military after the war was over, the US has gone on to win every war since then. Vietnam and Afghanistan were particulary smashing victories due to our Black and female troops (respectively).

    What alternative universe are these folks living in?
  13. @michael droy
    Just so many more Whiteys to kill.

    Seriously, if you model the world based on micro-aggressions generating extreme aggressions then the result would be the 10% minority losing it most often and committing many more acts of anger than the 90% majority.

    You are right with the facts, but you seem to be avoiding the rationale. Probably because you have other explanations you don't want to state explicitly.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Mike Tre, @ic1000

    Obviously, I have vastly more insights than I deign to publish. After all, I’m the greatest genius since Gauss. The theory that I can’t resist publishing any and every idea I come up with is, as Jussie Smollett would say, a bold-faced slander.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
    @Steve Sailer

    I'm surprised at how little fightback you get, I get 100 x more just attempting to put down in written words or diagramme out a basic understanding of a fault.

    You make vastly more ridiculous claims on your posts every day, there's an insurmountable amount of essays you post with unqualified assertions, it's like 1000 x 10, let's face it, that's the basic fault of evolutionary theorists.

    HBD people keep asserting just-so stories to back up their just-so theories which they assert as the founding premise of humanity.

    As they do so, just like so, metereolgists keep predicting a heat and hot sun decimation of humanity while Sydney must again put up and umbrella through a rain soaked La Nina.

    I think you people are full of shit and can't tell shit from clay.

    But none of what I say will divert you from your discourse.

    It's so formulaic that now it's become like a shout and response.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6FBfAQ-NDE

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter

  14. @Anon
    Could the higher lethality of rifles simply be the higher skill of the shooters, perhaps more likely to have been to a firing range, or at least watched a couple of YouTube videos showing how to use a gun ... and being capable of picking up and remembering skills like this.

    Replies: @Hannah Katz, @anon, @TWS

    Seems like more often than not, if there are four shots fired and four dead, it is a White shooter. If the police pick up 20 or 30 shell casings afterward and there were eight injured, it is a Black shooter.

  15. @Anon
    Could the higher lethality of rifles simply be the higher skill of the shooters, perhaps more likely to have been to a firing range, or at least watched a couple of YouTube videos showing how to use a gun ... and being capable of picking up and remembering skills like this.

    Replies: @Hannah Katz, @anon, @TWS

    Rifles are 1) easier to shoot accurately, even for unskilled shooters and 2) more lethal because of much higher bullet velocity (resulting in hydrostatic shock etc.).

  16. @PaceLaw
    “If I had to guess, I’d say a declining fear of going to hell is behind the growth over the past forty years in performative public mass murders.”

    That’s quite a keen point. Judeo-Christian values and morals have largely been denigrated and driven from the schools and the public square. It stands to reason then that this society would produce individuals who think of themselves as their own gods who are not subject to any greater authority. For such individuals murder becomes no big deal.

    Replies: @Observer49, @Jon, @Anonymous, @stillCARealist, @Mike Tre, @Isaac Nussbaum, @AnotherDad, @Bill Jones, @Jay Fink

    That’s quite a keen point. Judeo-Christian values and morals have largely been denigrated and driven from the schools and the public square.

    And it’s not just murder, it’s everything going wrong. A lot of people these days like to say they are spiritual, but not religious. I’m just the opposite – religious, but not spiritual. Even though I’m not religious, I’m very pro-religion. I know that living as I do in a place where most of my neighbors go to church is why I still get to have most of the nice things the rest of America has lost.

  17. Certain changes in gun laws may make it more challenging for them to acquire deadly weapons, but most would likely find a way.

    “Gun control” is juvenile. In a country with up to 420,000,000 guns, any adult who is not locked up can get a gun. And I’ve heard stories of people locked up . . . .

    When Leftards get a new gun control law, they feel like they have accomplished something. It’s just silly. And a violation of human rights.

    So what is the answer? An armed public. You can’t prevent the insane from doing insane things; you must be prepared to deal with the things insane people do.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  18. @Steve Sailer
    @michael droy

    Obviously, I have vastly more insights than I deign to publish. After all, I'm the greatest genius since Gauss. The theory that I can't resist publishing any and every idea I come up with is, as Jussie Smollett would say, a bold-faced slander.

    Replies: @Pat Hannagan

    I’m surprised at how little fightback you get, I get 100 x more just attempting to put down in written words or diagramme out a basic understanding of a fault.

    You make vastly more ridiculous claims on your posts every day, there’s an insurmountable amount of essays you post with unqualified assertions, it’s like 1000 x 10, let’s face it, that’s the basic fault of evolutionary theorists.

    HBD people keep asserting just-so stories to back up their just-so theories which they assert as the founding premise of humanity.

    As they do so, just like so, metereolgists keep predicting a heat and hot sun decimation of humanity while Sydney must again put up and umbrella through a rain soaked La Nina.

    I think you people are full of shit and can’t tell shit from clay.

    But none of what I say will divert you from your discourse.

    It’s so formulaic that now it’s become like a shout and response.

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @Pat Hannagan

    "It’s so formulaic that now it’s become like a shout and response."

    We all learned from the master:

    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=pastor+james+david+manning+on+black+folk&view=detail&mid=C1F1DD79223535C9E6D8C1F1DD79223535C9E6D8&FORM=VIRE

  19. Anonymous[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @PaceLaw
    “If I had to guess, I’d say a declining fear of going to hell is behind the growth over the past forty years in performative public mass murders.”

    That’s quite a keen point. Judeo-Christian values and morals have largely been denigrated and driven from the schools and the public square. It stands to reason then that this society would produce individuals who think of themselves as their own gods who are not subject to any greater authority. For such individuals murder becomes no big deal.

    Replies: @Observer49, @Jon, @Anonymous, @stillCARealist, @Mike Tre, @Isaac Nussbaum, @AnotherDad, @Bill Jones, @Jay Fink

    That’s quite a keen point. Judeo-Christian values and morals have largely been denigrated and driven from the schools and the public square. It stands to reason then that this society would produce individuals who think of themselves as their own gods who are not subject to any greater authority. For such individuals murder becomes no big deal.

    St. Paul tells us that in the end times we will see two (connected) things: apostasy and an increase in lawlessness (2 Thessalonians). The Antichrist will be a man of lawlessness (and a Jew). Christ said about the end days, “Because lawlessness will multiply, the love of many will grow cold.” (Mt 24:12)

    Sound like any time period you know of ??

  20. Thinking back to the Beltway Snipers, Malvo and Mohamed had better accuracy than your standard gang banger shooting up a crowd. I guess they are mass murderers not mass shooters.

  21. @PaceLaw
    “If I had to guess, I’d say a declining fear of going to hell is behind the growth over the past forty years in performative public mass murders.”

    That’s quite a keen point. Judeo-Christian values and morals have largely been denigrated and driven from the schools and the public square. It stands to reason then that this society would produce individuals who think of themselves as their own gods who are not subject to any greater authority. For such individuals murder becomes no big deal.

    Replies: @Observer49, @Jon, @Anonymous, @stillCARealist, @Mike Tre, @Isaac Nussbaum, @AnotherDad, @Bill Jones, @Jay Fink

    That was certainly the case with the Columbine lead killer psychopath. Reading about his contempt for humanity was pretty chilling.

  22. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Steve Sailer

    Thanks for the Shakespeare. I'm surprised and glad you have brought up religion, or lack thereof, as part of your speculated explanation for these deadly actions.

    Here's something that has been mentioned in the comments a number of times, but I don't think by you, Steve: For a guy like Dylann Roof say, who could have had a very good reason to be angry at black or anti-White behavior, why shoot up a church, for C____t's sake?! Why not kill the "right" people, or let's say, the people who were really responsible for his problems and who he could have a legitimate beef with? We've probably all wished someone like this, I mean that someone who was up for killing people anyway, would help us take care of problems that we are not voting ourselves out of or fixing via letters to "our" Congressmen.

    We figure that this young guy was rash and didn't know better. We who follow politics more than 95% of Americans and are more intelligent than your Dylann Roofs, ought to know where and with whom the real problems lie.

    We may think, occasionally, "if I were sick and dying anyway, I would take care of some of this before I got in too bad a shape." or "why would that guy kill himself as he did, when he could have at least taken care of some who are truly responsible for the wretched state he was in while he was at it?"

    What it comes down to is religion. The closer one is to death, the closer one may think or understand that the next world is at that point more important than this one. Would you at that point jeopardize your good "record" of whatever sort to help solve problems in this world using violence? It might be the right thing to do, but it might not. How do you know?

    Nice job, Shakespeare.

    .

    Still shooting up a black church vs some evil lying race hustler or whomever, seems a no brainer ...

    .

    I'll go check our your column now.

    Replies: @dearieme, @AndrewR, @Rob, @PaceLaw, @The Real World

    I never read his manifesto but I think he claimed that the church was a source of anti-white activism. But I concur that he should have paid a trip to the NYT or something

  23. @dearieme
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Why not kill the “right” people?

    I often ask myself why the insane kill harmless school children when there are lots of people around they could usefully kill instead. I suspect the question answers itself: they are insane.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Mike Tre, @Bardon Kaldian, @Paperback Writer, @Anonymous

    Besides Adam Lanza, I can’t think of anyone who has killed “school children” besides fellow “school children”

    A teenager shooting a bunch of his classmates might be insane but nowhere near as insane as what that demon Lanza did

  24. Anecdotal, but when the Heller decision came out I lived in a mostly black DC neighborhood. Overheard a couple of youths talking about it and bemoaning that now “all the whites will have guns too” and that “they really know how to use them”.

    Also at the same time was talking with a white neighbor and a few older black ones, and the white one made some remark that now there will be vastly more guns in the neighborhood, which made my black neighbors laugh, with one of them saying “don’t you know every black house has a gun in it already?”

    Based on my experience, most black mass shootings are just rapid retaliation for some diss and are not really planned in any way. We had several within half a dozen blocks of my house, one of which resulted in the death of an 8 year old who was sitting on the porch with his mother and friends at 1 AM. The mom was the intended target because she had insulted the girlfriend of some thug at a party a few days earlier, and the offended party demanded her honor be defended.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Arclight

    Without backing my claims with any scientific research, I would say:

    1. Asians- real Asians; the Chinese, Japanese, Mongols, ... and their cousins in the Americas- are cruel races. They invented refined methods of torture; Japanese culture is saturated with sadism & unspeakable atrocities (even their porn); Mayas & Aztecs we know about; Mongols, too; and Jared Taylor had written a good review on not-so-cultured Native Americans:https://www.unz.com/jtaylor/american-settlers-meet-spartans/
    .......................
    No Indians elicited less sympathy from frontier citizenry then did the Apache. Their incessant raiding kept Arizonans in a perpetual state of turmoil. The agony they inflicted on their captives, torturing them with exquisite cruelty, nauseated people in the territory and instilled in them a burning thirst for revenge on any and all Apaches.

    2. middle East is also a cruel historical region (Egyptians, Babylonians, Assyrians especially,..) - but they're now mostly historical torturers, with the exception of Islamic psychos

    3. blacks or sub-Saharan Africans are cruel, but, I would say not in a refined, Asian way. And their type of cruelty is different- it comes from "exuberance", while in the Asian case, it is a calculated sadism. In other words, blacks are cruel as children, or low-type humans, while (east) Asians are cruel as adults, or high-type humans.

    https://halcyoninitiative.wordpress.com/2014/10/05/morality-and-abstract-thinking-how-africans-may-differ-from-westerners-from-amren-com/
    ..............................
    According to now-discredited folk wisdom, blacks are “children in adult bodies,” but there may be some foundation to this view.
    .......................................................
    Gruesome cruelty
    ......................................
    During the apartheid era, black activists used to kill traitors and enemies by “necklacing” them. An old tire was put around the victim’s neck, filled with gasoline, and—but it is best to let an eye-witness describe what happened next:

    “The petrol-filled tyre is jammed on your shoulders and a lighter is placed within reach . … Your fingers are broken, needles are pushed up your nose and you are tortured until you put the lighter to the petrol yourself.” (Citizen; “SA’s New Nazis,” August 10, 1993, p.18.)

    The author of an article in the Chicago Tribune, describing the equally gruesome way the Hutu killed Tutsi in the Burundi massacres, marveled at “the ecstasy of killing, the lust for blood; this is the most horrible thought. It’s beyond my reach.” (“Hutu Killers Danced In Blood Of Victims, Videotapes Show,” Chicago Tribune, September 14, 1995, p.8.) The lack of any moral sense is further evidenced by their having videotaped their crimes, “apparently want[ing] to record … [them] for posterity.” Unlike war criminals, who hid their deeds, these people apparently took pride in their work.

    In 1993, Amy Biehl, a 26-year-old American on a Fulbright scholarship, was living in South Africa, where she spent most of her time in black townships helping blacks. One day when she was driving three African friends home, young blacks stopped the car, dragged her out, and killed her because she was white. A retired senior South African judge, Rex van Schalkwyk, in his 1998 book One Miracle is Not Enough, quotes from a newspaper report on the trial of her killers: “Supporters of the three men accused of murdering [her] … burst out laughing in the public gallery of the Supreme Court today when a witness told how the battered woman groaned in pain.” This behavior, Van Schalkwyk wrote, “is impossible to explain in terms accessible to rational minds.” (pp. 188-89.)

    These incidents and the responses they evoke—“the human brain recoils,” “beyond my reach,” “impossible to explain to rational minds” — represent a pattern of behavior and thinking that cannot be wished away, and offer additional support for my claim that Africans are deficient in moral consciousness.

    Replies: @Thomas Covenant Unbeliever

  25. Blacks are more violent in general, but even looking at mass murder vs. mass shooting doesn’t pick up the full nuance. I think what is going on is that insane murderers (people who shoot up elementary schools and movie theaters, etc.) can be either black or white (though blacks have higher rates of serious mental illness) but gang shooters/murderers (people who shoot up funerals of members of rival gangs, etc.) are almost always black. The latter are acting “rationally” in accordance with their value system/code of the streets. Since black shooter are both category A and B, that adds up to a higher rate than whites who are only category A.

    I don’t know where you put Islamic murderers – OTOH they are fairly nuts (millions of sane Muslims never go jihad) but OTOH, they are in a sense targeting a rival gang (infidels) in accordance with their value system/ideology.

    People who “go postal” are another intermediate category. They have some grudge against their workplace and will often target the boss who fired them but OTOH, while they are at it they decide to shoot random co-workers also. So they are more like the insane murderers.

    But what’s interesting is that the stereotype of Category A murderers in the media is that they are white and use long guns. Likewise the “going postal” stereotype is also white. Part of this is the hunt for the Great White Defendant, who relieves the endless parade of black murderers who otherwise dominate the police blotter and who defy the Narrative that blacks are now all doctors and scientists like you see in the commercials in between the news reports.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Shel100
    @Jack D

    The stereotype exists in a large degree because white serial killers and mass murderers get far more coverage in the media.Blacks who commit the same kinds of crimes are downplayed and quickly forgotten.Everyone has heard of Dylan Roof but few have heard of Omar Thornton who murdered eight whites in a racially motivated mas shooting.

  26. OT:

    Steve linked to Ed West’s substack about white people lying about race on their college apps (among other topics). I just got a second-hand story about this and I have no reason to doubt the source.

    My relative works at a large hospital in the Bay Area and her young co-worker is all excited about getting into nursing school. And, this young woman has 50K in scholarships all lined up to help pay for it. How did she get such great scholarships? Well, she checked the black box on the race question on all the applications. Really? And nobody checks to see if you actually are black? Nope, it’s all online. Wow, but you’re totally white, aren’t you worried this could come back to bite you? Nope (and here’s the kicker, as if what happened so far wasn’t outrageous), EVERYBODY DOES IT.

    Now, I don’t believe for a minute that “everybody does it,” but then I thought about my own son, checking “two or more races” on all the races boxes in his academic and job life (he has both Welsh and French ancestry). At some point, all white people are going to find a way to be something else, or they’ll just be chumps, unwilling to play by the new rules and constantly losing.

    • Replies: @Rob
    @stillCARealist

    Self-identifying as another race is great jiu-jitsu. There are elite “blacks” who really do not want to have 23$Me test results adjudicate blackness. The courts have been extremely leery of setting “blood quantum” or phenotype requirements to qualify as a minority. I’m pretty sure blacks don’t want anyone, especially whites measuring the width of their noses, or the kinkiness of their hair... Given that race is a social construct just like gender, there is no argument against transracialism beyond point-’n’-sputter and speaking power to truth that does not apply in spades to transgendered.

    If race is a social construct, not recognition of group differences with iffy edge cases and what-about-’ims that consume lots of time on some racialist forums, then self-IDing as another race, multiple races, or post-racial panmictic melange qualifying for every quota and being the kwisatz haderach to boot is totally kosher. I don’t “dress black”? Well, Mr Race-Investigator, how do blacks dress? All of them?”

    The best part of the jiu-jitsu is that they cannot effectively complain about it without admitting that the diversity boosts for NAMs in college admissions are not “tie-breakers” for nearly equally qualified applicants. There are schools where every white student did better on the SAT than every black student. This was probably more true back when the SAT was designed to measure aptitude and be hard to game, Taking out “development” admits (donors) athletes (also donors) and legacies (donations yet again) there are probably a lot schools where all the merited white matriculants.

    Here’s a MORE tag for ya!

    Something like 15% of Harvard admits are black. Going by grades and test scores Harvard would be 1% black. For every black student smart enough to be there, there are fourteen more! If you pretend to be black, your odds of going to Harvard go up considerably. I wonder if admissions departments are like, “black male with 4.7 GPA and 1550 SAT? Let’s get a photo...” Or do they just appreciate the Liz Warren-style diversity boost? There’s a black board, space, whatever they are called for blacks on Reddit, think I read about it here, actually. They require you to submit a photo of your arm with your screen name written on it. That arm had better be black! Do colleges do this with matriculants? Does anyone have inside information?

    Anyway, SJWs could only have a problem with whites self-identifying as minorities if there are benefits to being in whichever minority pool they are attempting to swim in. I believe someone got Ibram ex-Kendi to admit that there is a heavy thumb on the scale for admitting blacks into college. He deleted the tweet when realized what he had said. If there are no benefits from being a minority, them white people playing black is no different than someone who is maybe 1/16th Dutch starting a club where lots of people with questionable levels of Dutch ancestry wear wooden shoes and pretend they speak Dutch. “Watt nau? Nicht ein fingerpoken in mein lookenpeepers!”

    SJWs, BLMers, the successor ideology believers as a whole cannot admit that there are already heavy benefits to being in the black or whatever pool for college. Ex-Kendi said, “the remedy for past discrimination is present discrimination [against whites]” or somesuch. We’ve had roughly 1965 to today of AA and heavily propagandizing white schoolchildren.” I remember the third or so grade teacher in a small military town in Southern Illinois, where the school had field trips to the Catholic Church. Where we dang endless patriotic songs.., the teacher practically screaming at us that whites did not colonize the world because we are better or smarter. We did it with Chinese technology... The school had some black kids bussed in, or maybe there was a micro-ghetto in town. Behavioral and cognitive differences were something I noticed at eight or nine. I could not understand why adults could not see them!

    They were serious about trying to make us anti-racists back then in the extremely conservative Midwest. They tied it to patriotic values like fairness and equality of opportunity. They really wanted blacks to be part of mainstream America. Of course, expecting blacks to adopt white “American” culture is now recognized as white supremacism. Today, blacks are perfect as they are, and we know racism makes them dumb and violent. They are correct in not recognizing “white” laws.

    But the anti-racist propaganda mostly worked! Especially on girls, who learn more in school on average and conform to adult expectations earlier than boys. Most racists feel really bad about being racist. I do! It sucks that blacks are so hostile to society that I have racist thoughts about them. Blacks make me feel racist, which makes me feel bad. I blame black people for this. Yet another negative thing about blacks!

    The big difference between liberal and normiecons on race is the level of accommodation and tolerance of behavioral differences. Liberals try to accept blacks as they are, though most expect that they’ll join white society eventually, once they see how superior our culture is. Normiecons expect blacks to conform to white culture right out of the gate. Both groups think being racist is horrible. Only dissidents and the shattered and demoralized alt-right realize that blacks will pool at the bottom of society because of cognitive and behavioral differences, a lot of which is genetic.

    Where dissidents differ is what to do. AnotherDad wants separate nations. I want reservations for blacks like the Indians, the other primitive people greatly inconvenienced by British colonists, live on. A place where they make their own rules with whatever political and social system they want, but backstopped by the government so they don’t start eating people again. Yeah, I know, different Indians. But were will the black (+ SJW?) nation be? Do we lose some Southern states to an attempt at Wakanda? Do all the blacks who don’t want to live under American norms move there? Who gets to choose who lives where? A reasonable “separate nations” scenario is Whitopia, Wakanda, and Diversimania, with the Hispanics either living in Diversimania or going home. What would the map look like? One map puts Wakanda in the heavily black deep South, right? Mississippi, Alabama, and whatever else, right? Or, if the minoritarians decide they all want to live in a big, diverse, polycultural Ottomania, perhaps blacks in the South are relocated to the North? The South and Midwestern states become Whitopia. Maybe the further west midwest, like Idaho also joins Whitopia? The Northeast and Mid-Atlantic become Diversimania. Perhaps California and the Blue parts of Oregon and Washington become a separate Diversimania, but in español? There are probably a lot of whites in blue areas who would prefer Whitopia to Diversimania, so there might be an exodus of socially liberal, educated whites from Diversimania.

    Does anyone have defensible borders? In Europe, ethnics tended to absorb and expand to natural borders. Maybe defensible borders are not a real thing in a world of cruise missiles and stealth bombers? How to move people who do not want to move? Pretty much anyway is a crime against humanity. Do all the nations end up with large, more or less hostile, and unassimilable minorities?

    More likely than real separation would be a millet system like the Ottomans had. Different ethnies live under their own rules. The only “public square” laws would be for interactions between members of different communities. As a first step, lightening up law enforcement in black ghettoes. They don’t want it. It costs a fortune, both directly and the cost of warehousing so many blacks in prison. Blacks don’t really respect white laws, cops, DAs, and judges. Let them work out how they want to live given their different nature. Enlightenment values are great for Northwestern Europeans. Science, reason, these things fit our nature. We thrived on them for centuries. I don’t know what system and philosophies will make blacks thrive. Perhaps none will.

    Another option for blacks is panopticon and prison-lite. Well-meaning whites in charge of a “prison” system, but not one built to punish. Instead, this system would include both men and women. Well-meaning whites and perhaps smarter blacks would decide where they lived, enforce monogamy to the best of their abilities. Ensure that “hustling” was difficult and unprofitable. Require black men to support their children. Have “the hole” for residents who cannot conform to the rules. This situation would not be punitive, but it would be restrictive. Guns would be banned. Black men’s pride and responses to “disses” could be channeled away from driving-by and into duels. Only the two men involved can get killed. Duels would probably have to be to the death. Medical expenses of 10% of the black men needing regular dialysis because they had a kidney stabbed out would be too expensive. Work would be required. While the private sector has little use for workers with 75 IQ, in prison most prisoners work. Prison-lite could use the methods of punitive prisons to get dumb, temperamental men to do productive labor. As this situation is not intended to be punitive, men and women would live together, in whatever arrangements they chose for themselves. We have paternity testing now, so we can assign upkeep to the sperm donor regardless of women’s behavior. Paternal certainty might improve intrablack relationships. Shirking dad duty? We would not let kids starve, that’s inhumane, but they can be placed on permanent birth control, rendering paternal shirking unfit in an evolutionary sense.

    Kumbaya, everyone gets along is not really compatible with human natures. When ideas are outlawed, only outlaws will have ideas.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jack D

  27. @PaceLaw
    “If I had to guess, I’d say a declining fear of going to hell is behind the growth over the past forty years in performative public mass murders.”

    That’s quite a keen point. Judeo-Christian values and morals have largely been denigrated and driven from the schools and the public square. It stands to reason then that this society would produce individuals who think of themselves as their own gods who are not subject to any greater authority. For such individuals murder becomes no big deal.

    Replies: @Observer49, @Jon, @Anonymous, @stillCARealist, @Mike Tre, @Isaac Nussbaum, @AnotherDad, @Bill Jones, @Jay Fink

    “Judeo-Christian” is an invented term that did not appear until the mid 1950’s. Jews and Christians do not share the same values.

  28. @dearieme
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Why not kill the “right” people?

    I often ask myself why the insane kill harmless school children when there are lots of people around they could usefully kill instead. I suspect the question answers itself: they are insane.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Mike Tre, @Bardon Kaldian, @Paperback Writer, @Anonymous

    “I often ask myself why the insane kill harmless school children when there are lots of people around they could usefully kill instead. I suspect the question answers itself: they are insane. ”

    It’s because they are easy targets and the body count will have a better chance of being high. Those more useful to kill are typically much harder to kill because they are armed or guarded.

    Perhaps those referred to as insane are not so insane after all, but cowards who feel sorry for themselves.

  29. @michael droy
    Just so many more Whiteys to kill.

    Seriously, if you model the world based on micro-aggressions generating extreme aggressions then the result would be the 10% minority losing it most often and committing many more acts of anger than the 90% majority.

    You are right with the facts, but you seem to be avoiding the rationale. Probably because you have other explanations you don't want to state explicitly.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Mike Tre, @ic1000

    “Seriously, if you model the world based on micro-aggressions generating extreme aggressions then the result would be the 10% minority losing it most often and committing many more acts of anger than the 90% majority.”

    In a world based model the whites are the minority there, genius.

  30. @PaceLaw
    “If I had to guess, I’d say a declining fear of going to hell is behind the growth over the past forty years in performative public mass murders.”

    That’s quite a keen point. Judeo-Christian values and morals have largely been denigrated and driven from the schools and the public square. It stands to reason then that this society would produce individuals who think of themselves as their own gods who are not subject to any greater authority. For such individuals murder becomes no big deal.

    Replies: @Observer49, @Jon, @Anonymous, @stillCARealist, @Mike Tre, @Isaac Nussbaum, @AnotherDad, @Bill Jones, @Jay Fink

    A point of clarification, PaceLaw. While most churches teach a fiery hell of eternal torture, the Bible does not. “Later, God condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah and turned them into heaps of ashes. He made them an example of what will happen to ungodly people.” (2 Peter 2:6, NLT)

    • Replies: @PaceLaw
    @Isaac Nussbaum

    You are flatly wrong here Isaac. The Bible clearly teaches of a fiery and eternal hell. See Luke 16:24-31 where Jesus tells of an excruciating eternal fire. See also the Book of Revelation in the New Testament where an eternal lake of fire is vividly described.

    , @Jack D
    @Isaac Nussbaum

    The common thread is that Gehenna (Hell) is a fiery place in most versions of it, but the duration is often said to vary. The Rabbis said that a sinner would be sentenced to Gehenna for no more that a year (and they would get Shabbos off). Maimonides thought that the idea of Hell as a place of eternal punishment was mostly a fairy tale to scare children and that the souls of the wicked would just be destroyed and cease to exist. But mostly, Jews don't spend a lot of time thinking about heaven and hell. The focus is on following the commandments in THIS life. No one really knows what comes next.

    Replies: @Thomas Covenant Unbeliever

  31. Hence the ad industry’s obsessive presentation of black people as pleasant and agreeable rather than a shooting or smash-n-grab just waiting to happen. BTW the flier I got yesterday from Costco rival BJ’s depicted a happy white dad, a cute little white girl and — walking along right between them — a smiling black mom with the usual Sideshow Bob hairstyle

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Known Fact

    Back in the 1980s Saturday Night Live treated race fairly honestly. Do you remember Mr. Robinson's Neighborhood?

  32. @Steve Sailer
    @Observer49

    Of the big four 2016-2019 massacres mentioned by the four authors, one was directly anti-religious at a church in Sutherland Springs.

    But mostly I think it's due to the lessening qualms about going out with a bang articulated by Hamlet when he thinks about killing himself:

    To sleep, perchance to dream—ay, there's the rub:
    For in that sleep of death what dreams may come,
    When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
    Must give us pause ...
    Who would fardels bear,
    To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
    But that the dread of something after death,
    The undiscovere'd country, from whose bourn
    No traveller returns, puzzles the will,
    And makes us rather bear those ills we have
    Than fly to others that we know not of?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Romanian, @Harry Baldwin, @martin_2, @SunBakedSuburb, @JimDandy

    Fardels: a traveler’s bundle. I had to look it up, of course.

  33. @Romanian
    @Steve Sailer

    Mr. Sailer, here is an off-topic for you:

    One of the best security-oriented publications online just published a doozy of an article, in which the racism of mistaken yellow peril is matched by the racism of mistaken yellow dismissal. Some of what it writes is obviously true, but the interpretation is so uncharitable and so in line with supporting modern day positions and policies, that the article really does cross into Sailerbait.

    https://warontherocks.com/2021/12/never-thought-they-could-pull-off-such-an-attack-prejudice-and-pearl-harbor/


    Individually, each man pressed for greater awareness of the Japanese threat and an improved warning posture on Oahu in the months and weeks prior to Dec. 7. Yet, they represented the extent of Japanese expertise in the U.S. military: a handful of white men whose unique backgrounds and careers provided them direct contact with foreign language and culture. Though such men understood Japanese military modernization, operational security, and strategic ambitions, their presence alone was insufficient to break the stranglehold ethnocentric groupthink held on Oahu’s defenders. Organizations don’t reap the benefits of diversity and inclusion and effectively combat groupthink without actual representation of otherwise excluded groups. Though McCollum, Layton, Rochefort, and a few dozen others with similar backgrounds represented a small “diversity of thought” in the U.S. military’s perspective on Japan, this was not the same as the kind of service-wide diversity and inclusion that might have broken the ethnocentric groupthink plaguing Hawaii’s defenders.

    ......
    Many of the drivers of ethnocentric groupthink surrounding Pearl Harbor encourage similar prejudicial behavior today. “Experts” like Pratt and Puleston, with their eugenics-laden assertions, are forerunners of modern pseudo-experts who enjoy undue influence over large groups of readers and viewers thanks to the popularity of their platforms and despite their shallow credentials. The widespread belief in Japanese physical and mental shortcomings owed much to a proto-meme culture in which racist political cartoons (including those by the future Dr. Seuss), newsreel animations, and repeated movie tropes saturated popular culture. These cartoons and trope villains reinforced and normalized nonsensical beliefs about the Japanese. In this very same fashion, 21st-century jingoist punditry and racist memes pose a similar threat to effective analysis and decision-making. Their influence works against a clear-eyed, sober assessment of threats and opportunities. Indeed, the modern digital information environment exacerbates these effects, empowering pseudo-experts and overwhelming consumers’ ability to think critically about data sources and biases.
    .....
    It is compelling to consider the potential impact leaders with more diverse perspectives might have had for U.S. defenses on Oahu. Men like McCollum, Layton, and Rochefort held important positions (disproportionately in intelligence ranks) and benefited from unique life experiences. Yet, what if such positions of national security responsibility had been open to Americans of East Asian descent? What if women and ethnic minorities were not systemically excluded? Might a more realistic and objective evaluation of Japanese carrier aviation (and less preoccupation with sabotage and subversion) have tempered ethnocentric groupthink on Oahu?

    Ironically, the Allies achieved a considerable comparative intelligence advantage over Axis foes during the war through gender diversity and inclusion. Large-scale employment of women in imagery intelligence and signals intelligence operations, for example, provided both the raw staffing these laborious tasks required (ultimately several thousand women worked at Medmenham, Bletchley Park, Arlington Hall, and elsewhere) and the pockets of genius that all newly included demographics bring. Consider critical figures like Constance Babington-Smith, whose imagery analysis was critical to Allied understanding of the German V-1 threat; Genevieve Grotjan, who made key breakthroughs in deciphering Japan’s diplomatic “Purple” encryption system; and others like Elizebeth Friedman and Ann Caracristi. This was not tokenism or political pandering: This was the marshalling of national resources in time of crisis. Yet it had its limits. These were overwhelmingly white women, disproportionately from middle- and upper-class Christian backgrounds. Imagine what advantages might have been realized via large-scale inclusion of capable people regardless of gender, religion, sexual orientation, race, or national origin.

    Pearl Harbor Wasn’t an Outlier

    The details of the warning failure at Pearl Harbor illustrate how toxic ethnocentrism, the byproduct of a homogenous workforce, taints analysis and decision-making in various ways. A lack of diversity fosters devastating shared blind spots, skewing the foundations upon which every process is built. Without diversity, some flawed beliefs go unchallenged. Pearl Harbor demonstrates the dangerous results of unchallenged ethnocentric assumptions. Pervasive ethnocentrism and racism lead to disastrous outcomes when they supplant real evidence or lead one to underestimate a foe. These dynamics do not merely reflect the prevailing racial attitudes of the American military of the 1940s. They illustrate how a lack of diversity and inclusion in the national security workforce could have lethal consequences today.

    The private sector has no shortage of industry research that demonstrates how a lack of diversity and inclusion negatively impacts organizational performance. National security organizations are similarly vulnerable. Since national security leaders have made the argument that diversity and inclusion can strengthen their organizations, extrapolations from these industry findings should be further explored for their applicability.

    While organizations lacking diversity risk prejudicial blind spots, teams comprised of people from diverse backgrounds are more likely to mitigate this bias thanks to multiple perspectives drawn from personal experiences.
    ....
    There is a concerning tendency among some to discuss the factors that lead to the ethnocentric groupthink displayed before Pearl Harbor in terms of personal opinions and hurt feelings, as if overt racism were merely impolite — and to dismiss diversity and inclusion as tokenism or wokeness run amok. National security professionals need to remember that ethnocentrism and racism aren’t just politically incorrect or morally objectionable. They’re fundamentally, inherently stupid. Ethnocentrism is dangerous. Ethnocentrism threatens national security. Diversity and inclusion fight ethnocentrism.
     
    Yikes, the arguments are overstated to say the least. The author also attacks the issue from every angle, except for decrying anti-White racism, oikophobia etc.

    Replies: @ThreeCranes, @Anonymous, @Jack D

    Following that logic out to its natural conclusion; why stop with only hiring common citizen representatives of alien nations and races? Why not allow their political leaders themselves a seat in Congress and the Joint Chiefs of Staff as well as jobs in our Intelligence Agencies? What better way to know the Mind of our enemies than to let them take over and express it openly in U.S. policy?

  34. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Steve Sailer

    Thanks for the Shakespeare. I'm surprised and glad you have brought up religion, or lack thereof, as part of your speculated explanation for these deadly actions.

    Here's something that has been mentioned in the comments a number of times, but I don't think by you, Steve: For a guy like Dylann Roof say, who could have had a very good reason to be angry at black or anti-White behavior, why shoot up a church, for C____t's sake?! Why not kill the "right" people, or let's say, the people who were really responsible for his problems and who he could have a legitimate beef with? We've probably all wished someone like this, I mean that someone who was up for killing people anyway, would help us take care of problems that we are not voting ourselves out of or fixing via letters to "our" Congressmen.

    We figure that this young guy was rash and didn't know better. We who follow politics more than 95% of Americans and are more intelligent than your Dylann Roofs, ought to know where and with whom the real problems lie.

    We may think, occasionally, "if I were sick and dying anyway, I would take care of some of this before I got in too bad a shape." or "why would that guy kill himself as he did, when he could have at least taken care of some who are truly responsible for the wretched state he was in while he was at it?"

    What it comes down to is religion. The closer one is to death, the closer one may think or understand that the next world is at that point more important than this one. Would you at that point jeopardize your good "record" of whatever sort to help solve problems in this world using violence? It might be the right thing to do, but it might not. How do you know?

    Nice job, Shakespeare.

    .

    Still shooting up a black church vs some evil lying race hustler or whomever, seems a no brainer ...

    .

    I'll go check our your column now.

    Replies: @dearieme, @AndrewR, @Rob, @PaceLaw, @The Real World

    why shoot up a church, for C____t’s sake?!

    I read that as the c-word, and I thought, “huh, that’s not the context in which one usually sees that word.” Then I realized you meant Christ, and suddenly it made sense.

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @Rob

    C#&nt is not capitalized in the middle of a sentence either.

  35. To paraphrase Michael Crichton: “Murder finds a way.”

    One of the largest mass murders ever committed in the US was accomplished with a small container of gasoline: The Happy Land social club fire, an act of arson that killed 87 people on March 25, 1990. The 87 victims were trapped in the unlicensed Happy Land social club. The perpetrator, Julio González , came to the US in the Mariel boatlift. After arguing with his girlfriend in the club, he spread the fuel at the base of a staircase, the only access into the club, and ignited it.

    The largest mass murder was the bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City that killed 168 people, perpetrated by two individuals, Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols. An enormous amount of preparation went into that one.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Harry Baldwin


    The largest mass murder was the bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City that killed 168 people, perpetrated by two individuals, Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols. An enormous amount of preparation went into that one.
     
    I think 9-11 beats even that one.

    Allowing a bunch of people from a hostile civilization into your nation. Not a great idea.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Tony massey, @Wokechoke

    , @Gamecock
    @Harry Baldwin

    Pistols are a tool of convenience for mass murderers.

    Without guns, they would have to find other means. As you note, Mr Baldwin, other means can be vastly more effective.

    So when you hear someone shot a place up, be glad they didn't blow it up.

    Also, there is a defense available against people with guns. There is no defense for other strategies like fire, gas, or bombs.

  36. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Steve Sailer

    Thanks for the Shakespeare. I'm surprised and glad you have brought up religion, or lack thereof, as part of your speculated explanation for these deadly actions.

    Here's something that has been mentioned in the comments a number of times, but I don't think by you, Steve: For a guy like Dylann Roof say, who could have had a very good reason to be angry at black or anti-White behavior, why shoot up a church, for C____t's sake?! Why not kill the "right" people, or let's say, the people who were really responsible for his problems and who he could have a legitimate beef with? We've probably all wished someone like this, I mean that someone who was up for killing people anyway, would help us take care of problems that we are not voting ourselves out of or fixing via letters to "our" Congressmen.

    We figure that this young guy was rash and didn't know better. We who follow politics more than 95% of Americans and are more intelligent than your Dylann Roofs, ought to know where and with whom the real problems lie.

    We may think, occasionally, "if I were sick and dying anyway, I would take care of some of this before I got in too bad a shape." or "why would that guy kill himself as he did, when he could have at least taken care of some who are truly responsible for the wretched state he was in while he was at it?"

    What it comes down to is religion. The closer one is to death, the closer one may think or understand that the next world is at that point more important than this one. Would you at that point jeopardize your good "record" of whatever sort to help solve problems in this world using violence? It might be the right thing to do, but it might not. How do you know?

    Nice job, Shakespeare.

    .

    Still shooting up a black church vs some evil lying race hustler or whomever, seems a no brainer ...

    .

    I'll go check our your column now.

    Replies: @dearieme, @AndrewR, @Rob, @PaceLaw, @The Real World

    Why did Dylan Roof shoot up a black church? I recall reading his “manifesto“ and it was his specific intent to start a race war. He even said that the KKK was now useless (quite unlike how the media portrays the KKK) so he felt that he needed to go on his own and carry out the attack. He wanted to do something so extreme and shocking that it would trigger tit-for-tat retaliation between the races. I am mildly surprised that there was no actual retaliation for the church massacre.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @PaceLaw

    Yeah, but that's just it, PaceLaw. He shot church people, which was NOT going to start a race war. Of course, stupid stuff like banning of the Rebel flag would happen, and more importantly to the families, there would be lawsuits for big bucks. However, if Dylann Roof had wanted to start a race war, he could have shot up a black night club. (He'd probably hit more people who deserved it in some way too.) There would be some retaliation all right!

    I guess he was just kind of dumb.

    , @Wokechoke
    @PaceLaw

    Roof triggered a few systematic retaliatory trends.

  37. @Steve Sailer
    @Observer49

    Of the big four 2016-2019 massacres mentioned by the four authors, one was directly anti-religious at a church in Sutherland Springs.

    But mostly I think it's due to the lessening qualms about going out with a bang articulated by Hamlet when he thinks about killing himself:

    To sleep, perchance to dream—ay, there's the rub:
    For in that sleep of death what dreams may come,
    When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
    Must give us pause ...
    Who would fardels bear,
    To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
    But that the dread of something after death,
    The undiscovere'd country, from whose bourn
    No traveller returns, puzzles the will,
    And makes us rather bear those ills we have
    Than fly to others that we know not of?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Romanian, @Harry Baldwin, @martin_2, @SunBakedSuburb, @JimDandy

    What gets me about that Shakespeare soliloquy is that he says in it that no-one returns from death yet just a little while before he was speaking to his father’s ghost!

  38. @dearieme
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Why not kill the “right” people?

    I often ask myself why the insane kill harmless school children when there are lots of people around they could usefully kill instead. I suspect the question answers itself: they are insane.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Mike Tre, @Bardon Kaldian, @Paperback Writer, @Anonymous

    Because they’re insane ….

  39. @PaceLaw
    “If I had to guess, I’d say a declining fear of going to hell is behind the growth over the past forty years in performative public mass murders.”

    That’s quite a keen point. Judeo-Christian values and morals have largely been denigrated and driven from the schools and the public square. It stands to reason then that this society would produce individuals who think of themselves as their own gods who are not subject to any greater authority. For such individuals murder becomes no big deal.

    Replies: @Observer49, @Jon, @Anonymous, @stillCARealist, @Mike Tre, @Isaac Nussbaum, @AnotherDad, @Bill Jones, @Jay Fink

    If I had to guess, I’d say a declining fear of going to hell is behind the growth over the past forty years in performative public mass murders.

    That’s quite a keen point.

    Thanks Pace. That’s what popped for me as well, and i’d copied Steve’s sentence for my comment.

    However, it seems unlikely for us to bring back normative public Christianity anytime soon.

    But what would help beyond that is

    a) Getting back to the idea of a nation. You are actually part of people with a past and a future, which you share

    and

    b) Eugenic fertility. Transportation of the criminal assholes. Zeroing out the fertility of the loons and crazies and misfits. Encouraging the fertility of mentally stable, productive people. You push your gene pool toward the later.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @AnotherDad


    Zeroing out the fertility of the loons and crazies and misfits.
     
    Good luck with that. In the ghetto of W. Philly in October of 2020, the family of Walter Wallace Jr. called 911 and asked for the police to come quick because Walter was having a manic episode and was waving a knife around and threatening to kill his parents. The police came and Walter proceed to wave his knife at them instead. After telling him to drop the weapon 23 times, the officers shot him when Walter started to approach them. (The City of Philadelphia later paid his parents $2.5 Million as a settlement.)

    Later it turns out that, in between the times when Walter (age 27) was crazy as a loon or in prison, he was "an aspiring rapper" and a father of nine (by IDK how many women) with a 10th due days after his death. Do you grasp this? In 27 short years, Walter managed to father TEN children despite being a mentally ill criminal. How may descendants will Walter have a century from now, vs. say TEN white or Asian PhDs? And there are a lot more Walters than there are PhD's. How could this be anything but dysgenic?

    What are we doing to reverse this? NADA, absolutely NADA.

    Replies: @ic1000, @jb, @nebulafox

    , @PaceLaw
    @AnotherDad

    Thanks for the response AnotherDad. Ah, so you bring up eugenics. You know that’s a complete and total nonstarter, right? No way will that ever be approved in this country. Did you know that the mentally ill have a right to be mentally ill? Unless they are an active threat to themselves or others, there’s not anything you can do about the crazy person walking the street.

    Also, as to encouraging the fertility of mentally stable people, that’s a tough one also. Elon Musk recently commented on the possible collapse of civilization if folks don’t have more babies. According to him, many educated, well-to-do people choose not to have children out of fear of climate change. That line makes you really wonder who’s crazy and who’s not.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/07/elon-musk-civilization-will-crumble-if-we-dont-have-more-children.html

  40. @Harry Baldwin
    To paraphrase Michael Crichton: “Murder finds a way.”

    One of the largest mass murders ever committed in the US was accomplished with a small container of gasoline: The Happy Land social club fire, an act of arson that killed 87 people on March 25, 1990. The 87 victims were trapped in the unlicensed Happy Land social club. The perpetrator, Julio González , came to the US in the Mariel boatlift. After arguing with his girlfriend in the club, he spread the fuel at the base of a staircase, the only access into the club, and ignited it.

    The largest mass murder was the bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City that killed 168 people, perpetrated by two individuals, Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols. An enormous amount of preparation went into that one.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Gamecock

    The largest mass murder was the bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City that killed 168 people, perpetrated by two individuals, Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols. An enormous amount of preparation went into that one.

    I think 9-11 beats even that one.

    Allowing a bunch of people from a hostile civilization into your nation. Not a great idea.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @AnotherDad

    True, of course, but I'm thinking of mass murders being carried out by one or two people. 9/11 was an act of war.

    , @Tony massey
    @AnotherDad

    You're definitely right about who you let in. Sometimes they come aknocking without an invitation and it only takes one.
    He Charlie kiloed about as many as 9/11 right there I'm thinking.
    Score one for our side.


    https://nypost.com/2013/06/23/sgt-1st-class-dillard-johnson-is-the-deadliest-us-soldier-on-record-with-2746-kills/?utm_source=url_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons

    , @Wokechoke
    @AnotherDad

    I have an alternative theory about McVeighs motive. He was motivated to white Knight for multiracial cult made up of significant numbers of Africans and Afrocaribean adherents. Branch Davidians were a fully integrated black and white cult. Come and see the exact identities of the dead at Waco. Mcveigh was no white supremacist. Indeed he turned on the state after seeing Arabs from Iraq getting decimated by Desert Storm. His motives were explained by Gore Vidal in some detail.

    Replies: @Tony massey

  41. What are the odds of this shooter being Black! that was first described in an early Chicago news report as possibly a “robbery gone wrong?”

  42. Makes you wonder why the only shitbag parents of teenage murderers behind bars are a white couple, when black teenagers are so vastly more lethal than any other kind they practically constitute a public health menace.

    Oh well: the more obvious the lesson, the harder our news media pretend not to have heard the question. Even infamously “conservative” Fox News, now that looters and looting are suddenly considered racially-charged terms – because they would lead you to notice that all that looting footage is predominantly POC – now refer only to “smash-and-grabs”. Just before conveniently reminding everyone that Negroes are predominantly the victims of violent crime (though what that has to do with running out of Nordstrom’s with your arms weighed down with designer handbags remains unexplained).

    Really the only question left is not if but when the news media in toto (FoxNews proudly among them) agree to do away with all the inconvenient records of the black/leftist crime wave: the videos, photos, broadcast and print reporting that another Trump, God forbid, might easily point to, and ride a populist tide to power, upon.

    Such things simply aren’t possible? News stories don’t just turn into vapor on the advice of lawyers? Well….neither could the reporting on the notorious Dancing Israelis which – as soon as those URLs were replaced with a curious announcement that THIS STORY NO LONGER EXISTS – suddenly turned into Urban Legends that – surprise, surprise – Never Really Happened. (Kind of like America in the 1950s Never Really Happened….unless you were Emmett Till or one of his killers.)

    But it’s now 2021. Can anybody really be surprised by such cheap magic tricks any longer?

  43. @AnotherDad
    @PaceLaw



    If I had to guess, I’d say a declining fear of going to hell is behind the growth over the past forty years in performative public mass murders.
     
    That’s quite a keen point.
     
    Thanks Pace. That's what popped for me as well, and i'd copied Steve's sentence for my comment.

    However, it seems unlikely for us to bring back normative public Christianity anytime soon.

    But what would help beyond that is

    a) Getting back to the idea of a nation. You are actually part of people with a past and a future, which you share

    and

    b) Eugenic fertility. Transportation of the criminal assholes. Zeroing out the fertility of the loons and crazies and misfits. Encouraging the fertility of mentally stable, productive people. You push your gene pool toward the later.

    Replies: @Jack D, @PaceLaw

    Zeroing out the fertility of the loons and crazies and misfits.

    Good luck with that. In the ghetto of W. Philly in October of 2020, the family of Walter Wallace Jr. called 911 and asked for the police to come quick because Walter was having a manic episode and was waving a knife around and threatening to kill his parents. The police came and Walter proceed to wave his knife at them instead. After telling him to drop the weapon 23 times, the officers shot him when Walter started to approach them. (The City of Philadelphia later paid his parents \$2.5 Million as a settlement.)

    Later it turns out that, in between the times when Walter (age 27) was crazy as a loon or in prison, he was “an aspiring rapper” and a father of nine (by IDK how many women) with a 10th due days after his death. Do you grasp this? In 27 short years, Walter managed to father TEN children despite being a mentally ill criminal. How may descendants will Walter have a century from now, vs. say TEN white or Asian PhDs? And there are a lot more Walters than there are PhD’s. How could this be anything but dysgenic?

    What are we doing to reverse this? NADA, absolutely NADA.

    • Replies: @ic1000
    @Jack D

    > Walter was having a manic episode and was waving a knife around and threatening to kill his parents. The police came and Walter proceed to wave his knife at them instead. After telling him to drop the weapon 23 times, the officers shot him when Walter started to approach them. (The City of Philadelphia later paid his parents $2.5 Million as a settlement.)

    If only the Philly cops had hired Blake & Sheskey of Kenosha, Wisconsin. They would have advised that there is never a need for police to shoot knife-wielding suspects. Tasers are always effective.

    [/sarc]

    , @jb
    @Jack D

    We really need to rehabilitate the idea of eugenics somehow! It doesn't have to be state imposed sterilization of the unfit -- it would help a lot if the idea that it's a positive thing when smart, stable people have large families became popular and respectable among people who were smart and stable, rather than those people thinking they are doing the world a favor by not burdening it with their children.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Johann Ricke, @Alden

    , @nebulafox
    @Jack D

    I believe Mike Judge's film "Idiocracy" predicted this.

    >What are we doing to reverse this? NADA, absolutely NADA.

    I could, like, have kids instead of following the default cultural trend of having a revolving door of meaningless women? Won't reverse anything by itself, but it's what I can do.

    Say what you will about Elon Musk, he practices what he preaches, and I think the right aged people are listening-and observing how miserable people a decade older than them are. We're looking at something of a lost generation here, and people learning from that.

  44. @Arclight
    Anecdotal, but when the Heller decision came out I lived in a mostly black DC neighborhood. Overheard a couple of youths talking about it and bemoaning that now "all the whites will have guns too" and that "they really know how to use them".

    Also at the same time was talking with a white neighbor and a few older black ones, and the white one made some remark that now there will be vastly more guns in the neighborhood, which made my black neighbors laugh, with one of them saying "don't you know every black house has a gun in it already?"

    Based on my experience, most black mass shootings are just rapid retaliation for some diss and are not really planned in any way. We had several within half a dozen blocks of my house, one of which resulted in the death of an 8 year old who was sitting on the porch with his mother and friends at 1 AM. The mom was the intended target because she had insulted the girlfriend of some thug at a party a few days earlier, and the offended party demanded her honor be defended.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    Without backing my claims with any scientific research, I would say:

    1. Asians- real Asians; the Chinese, Japanese, Mongols, … and their cousins in the Americas- are cruel races. They invented refined methods of torture; Japanese culture is saturated with sadism & unspeakable atrocities (even their porn); Mayas & Aztecs we know about; Mongols, too; and Jared Taylor had written a good review on not-so-cultured Native Americans:https://www.unz.com/jtaylor/american-settlers-meet-spartans/
    …………………..
    No Indians elicited less sympathy from frontier citizenry then did the Apache. Their incessant raiding kept Arizonans in a perpetual state of turmoil. The agony they inflicted on their captives, torturing them with exquisite cruelty, nauseated people in the territory and instilled in them a burning thirst for revenge on any and all Apaches.

    2. middle East is also a cruel historical region (Egyptians, Babylonians, Assyrians especially,..) – but they’re now mostly historical torturers, with the exception of Islamic psychos

    3. blacks or sub-Saharan Africans are cruel, but, I would say not in a refined, Asian way. And their type of cruelty is different- it comes from “exuberance”, while in the Asian case, it is a calculated sadism. In other words, blacks are cruel as children, or low-type humans, while (east) Asians are cruel as adults, or high-type humans.

    https://halcyoninitiative.wordpress.com/2014/10/05/morality-and-abstract-thinking-how-africans-may-differ-from-westerners-from-amren-com/
    …………………………
    According to now-discredited folk wisdom, blacks are “children in adult bodies,” but there may be some foundation to this view.
    ……………………………………………….
    Gruesome cruelty
    ………………………………..
    During the apartheid era, black activists used to kill traitors and enemies by “necklacing” them. An old tire was put around the victim’s neck, filled with gasoline, and—but it is best to let an eye-witness describe what happened next:

    “The petrol-filled tyre is jammed on your shoulders and a lighter is placed within reach . … Your fingers are broken, needles are pushed up your nose and you are tortured until you put the lighter to the petrol yourself.” (Citizen; “SA’s New Nazis,” August 10, 1993, p.18.)

    The author of an article in the Chicago Tribune, describing the equally gruesome way the Hutu killed Tutsi in the Burundi massacres, marveled at “the ecstasy of killing, the lust for blood; this is the most horrible thought. It’s beyond my reach.” (“Hutu Killers Danced In Blood Of Victims, Videotapes Show,” Chicago Tribune, September 14, 1995, p.8.) The lack of any moral sense is further evidenced by their having videotaped their crimes, “apparently want[ing] to record … [them] for posterity.” Unlike war criminals, who hid their deeds, these people apparently took pride in their work.

    In 1993, Amy Biehl, a 26-year-old American on a Fulbright scholarship, was living in South Africa, where she spent most of her time in black townships helping blacks. One day when she was driving three African friends home, young blacks stopped the car, dragged her out, and killed her because she was white. A retired senior South African judge, Rex van Schalkwyk, in his 1998 book One Miracle is Not Enough, quotes from a newspaper report on the trial of her killers: “Supporters of the three men accused of murdering [her] … burst out laughing in the public gallery of the Supreme Court today when a witness told how the battered woman groaned in pain.” This behavior, Van Schalkwyk wrote, “is impossible to explain in terms accessible to rational minds.” (pp. 188-89.)

    These incidents and the responses they evoke—“the human brain recoils,” “beyond my reach,” “impossible to explain to rational minds” — represent a pattern of behavior and thinking that cannot be wished away, and offer additional support for my claim that Africans are deficient in moral consciousness.

    • Replies: @Thomas Covenant Unbeliever
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Did Amy Biehl's parents hug the killers and adopt them?

  45. fifteen to twenty times more likely

    Doesn’t that mean sixteen to twenty-one times as likely?

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
    @Reg Cæsar

    For whatever reason, jernalists are fucking hopeless at enumerating relativities - a symptom of their general cluelessness about things quantitative.

    If you like "X to Y times more likely", you'll just love "Z times less likely" - because notions like 1/Z confuse them. (For example, I think that "8 times less likely" actually means "Only 1/8th as likely": if you subtract something from itself 8 times, you ought to wind up in the negative bit of the number line, to the tune of 7-times what you started with).

    And of course the difference between relative risk ("blacks are X times more likely") and absolute risk ("proportion of blacks involved is fuck-all"), eludes them completely.

    This has has been made manifestly obvious during the last year and a half, when the jernalist 'profession' has shown its members to be just as innumerate as the average nurse (i.e., roughly 80% as numerate as the average general practitioner, which is unacceptably bad).

    And it's as much a function of outright innumeracy, as it is a 'corn pone' problem - i.e., the wilful abuse of statistics to further whatever argument they're trying to make.

    As Aseem Malhotra (a UK cardiologist of some note) pointed out in a rather impassioned talk over a year before the COVID hysteria, the nexus between media, drug companies and regulators has significant effects on the spread of misinformation. My own take on it, is that jernalists have largely supported the wrong side because they are incapable of determining whether the men in the white coats are talking bullshit.

    Malhotra's talk was entitled "Big Food and Big Pharma: Killing for Profit?", and any immunologically-naïve individual who watched it pre-COVID will have been inoculated against the innumeracy of jernalists (because it's a blackpill on Pharma, corrupt medical research, and a corrupt medical establishment: at ~1hr40 it's too long for people whose attention span has been truncated by YouFaceTwit and dumbphones).

    I am pleased to note that Malhotra's dedication to evidence-based medicine has seen him draw the correct conclusions regarding the mudshots (i.e., the Pfizer Quarterly Subscription) and their likely link to coronary artery damage.


    'They aren't going to publish their findings, they are concerned about losing research money' Dr Aseem Malhotra reveals a cardiology researcher found similar results to a new report showing an increase in risk of heart attack following the mRNA COVID vaccine.
    pic.twitter.com/63evorQwlJ— GB News (@GBNEWS) November 25, 2021
     
  46. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad


    Zeroing out the fertility of the loons and crazies and misfits.
     
    Good luck with that. In the ghetto of W. Philly in October of 2020, the family of Walter Wallace Jr. called 911 and asked for the police to come quick because Walter was having a manic episode and was waving a knife around and threatening to kill his parents. The police came and Walter proceed to wave his knife at them instead. After telling him to drop the weapon 23 times, the officers shot him when Walter started to approach them. (The City of Philadelphia later paid his parents $2.5 Million as a settlement.)

    Later it turns out that, in between the times when Walter (age 27) was crazy as a loon or in prison, he was "an aspiring rapper" and a father of nine (by IDK how many women) with a 10th due days after his death. Do you grasp this? In 27 short years, Walter managed to father TEN children despite being a mentally ill criminal. How may descendants will Walter have a century from now, vs. say TEN white or Asian PhDs? And there are a lot more Walters than there are PhD's. How could this be anything but dysgenic?

    What are we doing to reverse this? NADA, absolutely NADA.

    Replies: @ic1000, @jb, @nebulafox

    > Walter was having a manic episode and was waving a knife around and threatening to kill his parents. The police came and Walter proceed to wave his knife at them instead. After telling him to drop the weapon 23 times, the officers shot him when Walter started to approach them. (The City of Philadelphia later paid his parents \$2.5 Million as a settlement.)

    If only the Philly cops had hired Blake & Sheskey of Kenosha, Wisconsin. They would have advised that there is never a need for police to shoot knife-wielding suspects. Tasers are always effective.

    [/sarc]

  47. @michael droy
    Just so many more Whiteys to kill.

    Seriously, if you model the world based on micro-aggressions generating extreme aggressions then the result would be the 10% minority losing it most often and committing many more acts of anger than the 90% majority.

    You are right with the facts, but you seem to be avoiding the rationale. Probably because you have other explanations you don't want to state explicitly.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Mike Tre, @ic1000

    > if you model the world based on micro-aggressions generating extreme aggressions then the result would be the 10% minority losing it most often and committing many more acts of anger than the 90% majority.

    AnotherDad, is this “michael droy” one of your sock puppets?

  48. @Harry Baldwin
    To paraphrase Michael Crichton: “Murder finds a way.”

    One of the largest mass murders ever committed in the US was accomplished with a small container of gasoline: The Happy Land social club fire, an act of arson that killed 87 people on March 25, 1990. The 87 victims were trapped in the unlicensed Happy Land social club. The perpetrator, Julio González , came to the US in the Mariel boatlift. After arguing with his girlfriend in the club, he spread the fuel at the base of a staircase, the only access into the club, and ignited it.

    The largest mass murder was the bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City that killed 168 people, perpetrated by two individuals, Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols. An enormous amount of preparation went into that one.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Gamecock

    Pistols are a tool of convenience for mass murderers.

    Without guns, they would have to find other means. As you note, Mr Baldwin, other means can be vastly more effective.

    So when you hear someone shot a place up, be glad they didn’t blow it up.

    Also, there is a defense available against people with guns. There is no defense for other strategies like fire, gas, or bombs.

  49. @Anon
    Could the higher lethality of rifles simply be the higher skill of the shooters, perhaps more likely to have been to a firing range, or at least watched a couple of YouTube videos showing how to use a gun ... and being capable of picking up and remembering skills like this.

    Replies: @Hannah Katz, @anon, @TWS

    No.

  50. @Steve Sailer
    @Observer49

    Of the big four 2016-2019 massacres mentioned by the four authors, one was directly anti-religious at a church in Sutherland Springs.

    But mostly I think it's due to the lessening qualms about going out with a bang articulated by Hamlet when he thinks about killing himself:

    To sleep, perchance to dream—ay, there's the rub:
    For in that sleep of death what dreams may come,
    When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
    Must give us pause ...
    Who would fardels bear,
    To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
    But that the dread of something after death,
    The undiscovere'd country, from whose bourn
    No traveller returns, puzzles the will,
    And makes us rather bear those ills we have
    Than fly to others that we know not of?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Romanian, @Harry Baldwin, @martin_2, @SunBakedSuburb, @JimDandy

    “But that the dread of something after death”

    Soul-damaged white male shooters just want it to end. Their misery and rage blinds them to the fact that by taking others with them to the undiscovered country they are engaging in the ancient ritual of blood sacrifice. Sacrifice and suffering as prescribed by the Yahweh system aka Judeo-Christian. If this world survives another century it can only mean that the Yahweh system has withered and died.

  51. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad


    Zeroing out the fertility of the loons and crazies and misfits.
     
    Good luck with that. In the ghetto of W. Philly in October of 2020, the family of Walter Wallace Jr. called 911 and asked for the police to come quick because Walter was having a manic episode and was waving a knife around and threatening to kill his parents. The police came and Walter proceed to wave his knife at them instead. After telling him to drop the weapon 23 times, the officers shot him when Walter started to approach them. (The City of Philadelphia later paid his parents $2.5 Million as a settlement.)

    Later it turns out that, in between the times when Walter (age 27) was crazy as a loon or in prison, he was "an aspiring rapper" and a father of nine (by IDK how many women) with a 10th due days after his death. Do you grasp this? In 27 short years, Walter managed to father TEN children despite being a mentally ill criminal. How may descendants will Walter have a century from now, vs. say TEN white or Asian PhDs? And there are a lot more Walters than there are PhD's. How could this be anything but dysgenic?

    What are we doing to reverse this? NADA, absolutely NADA.

    Replies: @ic1000, @jb, @nebulafox

    We really need to rehabilitate the idea of eugenics somehow! It doesn’t have to be state imposed sterilization of the unfit — it would help a lot if the idea that it’s a positive thing when smart, stable people have large families became popular and respectable among people who were smart and stable, rather than those people thinking they are doing the world a favor by not burdening it with their children.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @jb

    I think that it's more an issue of economics and incentives than fashion. Walter didn't have to worry about supporting 10 children because he didn't support any of them. They were supported either by their mothers or by the state but in any case, dad wasn't going to pay private school and college tuition, he wasn't going to pay for braces or health insurance, he wasn't gonna pay for any of it. If I had had 10 children by several different women by age 27 I would have been beyond broke.

    Likewise, if you are one of Walter's baby mommas, you are not going to defer having children until you are past 30 because you are working on your PhD. and the difference in income between staying home and living on welfare vs. working is not all that big.

    , @Johann Ricke
    @jb


    We really need to rehabilitate the idea of eugenics somehow! It doesn’t have to be state imposed sterilization of the unfit — it would help a lot if the idea that it’s a positive thing when smart, stable people have large families became popular and respectable among people who were smart and stable, rather than those people thinking they are doing the world a favor by not burdening it with their children.
     
    That's where non-refundable child care tax credits come in. Want more children? We'll pay for their maintenance if you work for a living. Don't work? We won't add to your benefits if you have more kids. The problem here is the bleeding hearts and "moderates" will get up in arms over how we're starving the children.
    , @Alden
    @jb

    First state sterilization of the unfit. Within 20 years, young fit, nothing special. Just normal intelligence, normal emotional stability, able to earn a living and not be dependent on the state and its nannies couples will be able to get adult careers get married but homes and raise children.

    The amount of tax money and government workers devoted to keeping the unfit alive and breeding is trillions a year.

    Hispanic family values. Hispanics overwhelm the prison and criminal courts, the welfare rolls special education and the foster home system. And we import millions more every year. To add to the Black Plague.

    Just compare the California mostly White public school test scores in 1960 with the mostly Hispanic public school test scores in 1980. Top 10 to bottom 10.

    Or any town like Newark NJ Compton Ca that went from White to black.

    All these childless MEN OF UNZ endlessly pontificating that Whites should have more children have no idea how little money and resources are left for White children after their parents are taxed to raise another generation of useless detrimental unfit to survive without life long help.

    And it’s not a matter of new bikes and cars every 2 years or expensive toys clothes and vacations. It’s a matter of food, the car that gets you to work, winter heat bills electricity and finding a home away from the ever expanding dangerous dreck.

  52. As I may have mentioned once or twice before, mass shootings in the United States are basically a black problem.

    Do you suppose that, like with basketball, a lifetime of practise will make them masters?

  53. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Steve Sailer

    Thanks for the Shakespeare. I'm surprised and glad you have brought up religion, or lack thereof, as part of your speculated explanation for these deadly actions.

    Here's something that has been mentioned in the comments a number of times, but I don't think by you, Steve: For a guy like Dylann Roof say, who could have had a very good reason to be angry at black or anti-White behavior, why shoot up a church, for C____t's sake?! Why not kill the "right" people, or let's say, the people who were really responsible for his problems and who he could have a legitimate beef with? We've probably all wished someone like this, I mean that someone who was up for killing people anyway, would help us take care of problems that we are not voting ourselves out of or fixing via letters to "our" Congressmen.

    We figure that this young guy was rash and didn't know better. We who follow politics more than 95% of Americans and are more intelligent than your Dylann Roofs, ought to know where and with whom the real problems lie.

    We may think, occasionally, "if I were sick and dying anyway, I would take care of some of this before I got in too bad a shape." or "why would that guy kill himself as he did, when he could have at least taken care of some who are truly responsible for the wretched state he was in while he was at it?"

    What it comes down to is religion. The closer one is to death, the closer one may think or understand that the next world is at that point more important than this one. Would you at that point jeopardize your good "record" of whatever sort to help solve problems in this world using violence? It might be the right thing to do, but it might not. How do you know?

    Nice job, Shakespeare.

    .

    Still shooting up a black church vs some evil lying race hustler or whomever, seems a no brainer ...

    .

    I'll go check our your column now.

    Replies: @dearieme, @AndrewR, @Rob, @PaceLaw, @The Real World

    For a guy like Dylann Roof say, who could have had a very good reason to be angry at black or anti-White behavior, why shoot up a church, for C____t’s sake?! Why not kill the “right” people,

    I am always HIGHLY suspect of situations like that. Meaning, I tend to think they are set-ups, a version of a false flag, and the kid “shooter” is a patsy.

    Reasons: 1) When a legislative body has a bill immediately ready to introduce and the current emotional and media pressure is in place to pass it. In this case, it was Gov Nikki Haley signing this confederate flag bill on July 15, 2015 which was introduced to the legislature only days after the Roof attack on June 17. https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/confederate-flag-furor/gov-haley-sign-bill-removing-confederate-flag-n389231

    What does that flag have to do with a mixed-up young guy? Yeah, it doesn’t.

    2) When you see these young attackers with those bug eyes, that’s a clue that something’s not right. Evidently, one of the drugs utilized when MK Ultra tactics are being used caused big, bug-out eyes. It is amazing how many of these young shooters have had them, as in, Newtown, Parkland, this church one, the Gabby Giffords shooting and more.

    NOTE: Sen Kamala Harris had a bill ready to put to the Senate right after the Jussie Smollett hoax. It passed the Senate only 15 days after the fake event! Given how intricate and detailed the process is for these bills, it is only rational to assume that they were already written. (Frankly, I have little doubt that Harris and/or Cory Booker put him up to it for that purpose.)

  54. When a black pro athlete “loses it” and a costly penalty results, I ask myself whether coaches ever conduct role-playing exercises to try to restrain this tendency. Do they? Does it help? Could the same thing be done in the classroom, especially gym class? Are “anger management” classes effective, to any degree? I’ll do the research; back in four hours. Nah, too lazy. Maybe someone already knows.

  55. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad


    Zeroing out the fertility of the loons and crazies and misfits.
     
    Good luck with that. In the ghetto of W. Philly in October of 2020, the family of Walter Wallace Jr. called 911 and asked for the police to come quick because Walter was having a manic episode and was waving a knife around and threatening to kill his parents. The police came and Walter proceed to wave his knife at them instead. After telling him to drop the weapon 23 times, the officers shot him when Walter started to approach them. (The City of Philadelphia later paid his parents $2.5 Million as a settlement.)

    Later it turns out that, in between the times when Walter (age 27) was crazy as a loon or in prison, he was "an aspiring rapper" and a father of nine (by IDK how many women) with a 10th due days after his death. Do you grasp this? In 27 short years, Walter managed to father TEN children despite being a mentally ill criminal. How may descendants will Walter have a century from now, vs. say TEN white or Asian PhDs? And there are a lot more Walters than there are PhD's. How could this be anything but dysgenic?

    What are we doing to reverse this? NADA, absolutely NADA.

    Replies: @ic1000, @jb, @nebulafox

    I believe Mike Judge’s film “Idiocracy” predicted this.

    >What are we doing to reverse this? NADA, absolutely NADA.

    I could, like, have kids instead of following the default cultural trend of having a revolving door of meaningless women? Won’t reverse anything by itself, but it’s what I can do.

    Say what you will about Elon Musk, he practices what he preaches, and I think the right aged people are listening-and observing how miserable people a decade older than them are. We’re looking at something of a lost generation here, and people learning from that.

  56. @AnotherDad
    @Harry Baldwin


    The largest mass murder was the bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City that killed 168 people, perpetrated by two individuals, Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols. An enormous amount of preparation went into that one.
     
    I think 9-11 beats even that one.

    Allowing a bunch of people from a hostile civilization into your nation. Not a great idea.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Tony massey, @Wokechoke

    True, of course, but I’m thinking of mass murders being carried out by one or two people. 9/11 was an act of war.

  57. @AnotherDad
    @PaceLaw



    If I had to guess, I’d say a declining fear of going to hell is behind the growth over the past forty years in performative public mass murders.
     
    That’s quite a keen point.
     
    Thanks Pace. That's what popped for me as well, and i'd copied Steve's sentence for my comment.

    However, it seems unlikely for us to bring back normative public Christianity anytime soon.

    But what would help beyond that is

    a) Getting back to the idea of a nation. You are actually part of people with a past and a future, which you share

    and

    b) Eugenic fertility. Transportation of the criminal assholes. Zeroing out the fertility of the loons and crazies and misfits. Encouraging the fertility of mentally stable, productive people. You push your gene pool toward the later.

    Replies: @Jack D, @PaceLaw

    Thanks for the response AnotherDad. Ah, so you bring up eugenics. You know that’s a complete and total nonstarter, right? No way will that ever be approved in this country. Did you know that the mentally ill have a right to be mentally ill? Unless they are an active threat to themselves or others, there’s not anything you can do about the crazy person walking the street.

    Also, as to encouraging the fertility of mentally stable people, that’s a tough one also. Elon Musk recently commented on the possible collapse of civilization if folks don’t have more babies. According to him, many educated, well-to-do people choose not to have children out of fear of climate change. That line makes you really wonder who’s crazy and who’s not.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/07/elon-musk-civilization-will-crumble-if-we-dont-have-more-children.html

  58. @Bardon Kaldian
    I think it's more correlation than causation. Mass murderers are psychos who, if necessary, would invent their own theology to justify their deeds.

    Replies: @Muggles

    I think it’s more correlation than causation. Mass murderers are psychos who, if necessary, would invent their own theology to justify their deeds.

    Given the outsized percentages of black mass murderers as compared to their percent of the US population, you appear to be making an argument that blacks are more “psycho” than non blacks.

    Is that is what you are trying to say?

    Since “psychos” is rather vague and seems to be your post-facto label for mass murderers, it is rather uninteresting as a point of analysis.

    Given that many of these mass murders seem to occur in scenarios with large groups of other blacks, or that in the context of some criminal beef or revenge. it seems that lack of impulse control would be a major factor with blacks. That is a “psychotic” trait but also found in others aren’t true psychopaths.

    “Grievance killers” seems also to be a common factor, whether or not black.

    Seeking some kind of “justice”, as opposed to reckless disregard for otherwise innocent bystanders, isn’t usually a psychotic trait. There is a rational process of logic, no matter how distorted the conclusion becomes. “Justice killers” usually write manifestos or grievance statements. Blacks as a rule don’t do this before Glocking the block party.

    There are also many other useful distinctions: family vs. stranger, workplace vs. home/public space, suicidal vs. “punishment”, totally sober vs. impaired, etc.

    All of this is enough to make you want to stay at home at night. Always.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Muggles

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4274585/

    Racial disparities in psychotic disorder diagnosis: A review of empirical literature

    This literature review provides an updated and comprehensive summary of empirical research on race and diagnosis of psychotic disorders spanning a 24-year period. Findings reveal a clear and pervasive pattern wherein African American/Black consumers show a rate of on average three to four higher than Euro-American/White consumers. Latino American/Hispanic consumers were also disproportionately diagnosed with psychotic disorders on average approximately three times higher compared to Euro-American/White consumers.

    https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/health/mental-health/adults-experiencing-a-psychotic-disorder/latest

    Psychotic disorders


    1. Main facts and figures

    * in 2014, a higher percentage of Black men than White men had experienced a psychotic disorder in the year before they were surveyed

    * there were no other meaningful differences between ethnic groups in people having experienced a psychotic disorder

    https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/the-british-journal-of-psychiatry/article/understanding-the-excess-of-psychosis-among-the-africancaribbean-population-in-england/37A85E99A5907554E3B18CC01448CC9C

    Understanding the excess of psychosis among the African-Caribbean population in England

    Abstract
    Background

    Increased rates of schizophrenia continue to be reported among the African–Caribbean population in England.

    Aims

    To evaluate the competing biological, psychological and social explanations that have been proposed.

    Method

    Literature review.

    Results

    The African–Caribbean population in England is at increased risk of both schizophrenia and mania; the higher rates remain when operational diagnostic criteria are used. The excess of the two psychotic disorders are probably linked: African–Caribbean patients with schizophrenia show more affective symptoms, and a more relapsing course with greater social disruption but fewer chronic negative symptoms, than White patients. No simple hypothesis explains these findings.

    Conclusions

    More complex hypotheses are needed. One such links cultural variation in symptom reporting, the use of phenomenological constructs by psychiatrists and social disadvantage.

    Replies: @Muggles

  59. That’s rather a lot, and the fact that we aren’t allowed to mention it in respectable outlets accounts for much of the madness of our times.

    I think it reflects rather than accounts for our mad times.

    btw, the way to circumvent the Taki-Dóttir fatwa on cut and paste from their pages is to highlight the text, right click, on the menu click “view selection source” and there you are, ready to go.

    Two things are becoming increasingly obvious.

    Segregation is the only acceptable solution for whites to the race problem.

    iSteve is going to have to move house, California is going to be on the wrong side of the great divide.

  60. @Muggles
    @Bardon Kaldian


    I think it’s more correlation than causation. Mass murderers are psychos who, if necessary, would invent their own theology to justify their deeds.
     
    Given the outsized percentages of black mass murderers as compared to their percent of the US population, you appear to be making an argument that blacks are more "psycho" than non blacks.

    Is that is what you are trying to say?

    Since "psychos" is rather vague and seems to be your post-facto label for mass murderers, it is rather uninteresting as a point of analysis.

    Given that many of these mass murders seem to occur in scenarios with large groups of other blacks, or that in the context of some criminal beef or revenge. it seems that lack of impulse control would be a major factor with blacks. That is a "psychotic" trait but also found in others aren't true psychopaths.

    "Grievance killers" seems also to be a common factor, whether or not black.

    Seeking some kind of "justice", as opposed to reckless disregard for otherwise innocent bystanders, isn't usually a psychotic trait. There is a rational process of logic, no matter how distorted the conclusion becomes. "Justice killers" usually write manifestos or grievance statements. Blacks as a rule don't do this before Glocking the block party.

    There are also many other useful distinctions: family vs. stranger, workplace vs. home/public space, suicidal vs. "punishment", totally sober vs. impaired, etc.

    All of this is enough to make you want to stay at home at night. Always.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4274585/

    Racial disparities in psychotic disorder diagnosis: A review of empirical literature

    This literature review provides an updated and comprehensive summary of empirical research on race and diagnosis of psychotic disorders spanning a 24-year period. Findings reveal a clear and pervasive pattern wherein African American/Black consumers show a rate of on average three to four higher than Euro-American/White consumers. Latino American/Hispanic consumers were also disproportionately diagnosed with psychotic disorders on average approximately three times higher compared to Euro-American/White consumers.

    https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/health/mental-health/adults-experiencing-a-psychotic-disorder/latest

    Psychotic disorders

    1. Main facts and figures

    * in 2014, a higher percentage of Black men than White men had experienced a psychotic disorder in the year before they were surveyed

    * there were no other meaningful differences between ethnic groups in people having experienced a psychotic disorder

    https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/the-british-journal-of-psychiatry/article/understanding-the-excess-of-psychosis-among-the-africancaribbean-population-in-england/37A85E99A5907554E3B18CC01448CC9C

    Understanding the excess of psychosis among the African-Caribbean population in England

    Abstract
    Background

    Increased rates of schizophrenia continue to be reported among the African–Caribbean population in England.

    Aims

    To evaluate the competing biological, psychological and social explanations that have been proposed.

    Method

    Literature review.

    Results

    The African–Caribbean population in England is at increased risk of both schizophrenia and mania; the higher rates remain when operational diagnostic criteria are used. The excess of the two psychotic disorders are probably linked: African–Caribbean patients with schizophrenia show more affective symptoms, and a more relapsing course with greater social disruption but fewer chronic negative symptoms, than White patients. No simple hypothesis explains these findings.

    Conclusions

    More complex hypotheses are needed. One such links cultural variation in symptom reporting, the use of phenomenological constructs by psychiatrists and social disadvantage.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Yes, I figured you might dig up something like this.

    Fine.

    But these conclusions appear to be largely based on UK studies. So, apples and oranges.

    Also, the major point in my original comment was that it isn't proven that most "mass murders" are the result of clinically categorized "psychotic" individuals who are acting out on those particular group of traits.

    If American blacks (Blacks!) are a higher percentage of "psychos" as you called them, then some small percentage of US mass murders might be the result of that correlation.

    But relatively few "psychotic" individuals are violent. Most of those traits have nothing to do with committing violence. Only the lack of concern over the consequences of their acts.

    Other reasons for mass murder are: beefs between criminals/groups, grievances/grudges which become the central focus of ones' life, ideological/religious causes which small factions escalate into "terror", outright crime - eliminating witnesses, collecting debts, killing competitors, and doubtless other rationales. It is unproven as to whether POC are motivated in higher percentages than Whites under these other causes.

    Lack of impulse control, for instance, isn't necessarily related to race. Or if it is, as yet unproven.

    I'm not saying going to informal rap concerts at midnight isn't more dangerous than a midnight Country&Western jamboree at the Bullrider Bar & Grill. Maybe so. But prisons are full of very dangerous white people (White!) and relatively few blacks become "serial killers" over decades.

    Maybe in 100 years criminologists will be allowed to study this scientifically.

    Replies: @Jack D

  61. @Reg Cæsar

    fifteen to twenty times more likely
     
    Doesn't that mean sixteen to twenty-one times as likely?

    Replies: @Kratoklastes

    For whatever reason, jernalists are fucking hopeless at enumerating relativities – a symptom of their general cluelessness about things quantitative.

    If you like “X to Y times more likely“, you’ll just love “Z times less likely” – because notions like 1/Z confuse them. (For example, I think that “8 times less likely” actually means “Only 1/8th as likely“: if you subtract something from itself 8 times, you ought to wind up in the negative bit of the number line, to the tune of 7-times what you started with).

    And of course the difference between relative risk (“blacks are X times more likely“) and absolute risk (“proportion of blacks involved is fuck-all“), eludes them completely.

    This has has been made manifestly obvious during the last year and a half, when the jernalist ‘profession’ has shown its members to be just as innumerate as the average nurse (i.e., roughly 80% as numerate as the average general practitioner, which is unacceptably bad).

    And it’s as much a function of outright innumeracy, as it is a ‘corn pone‘ problem – i.e., the wilful abuse of statistics to further whatever argument they’re trying to make.

    As Aseem Malhotra (a UK cardiologist of some note) pointed out in a rather impassioned talk over a year before the COVID hysteria, the nexus between media, drug companies and regulators has significant effects on the spread of misinformation. My own take on it, is that jernalists have largely supported the wrong side because they are incapable of determining whether the men in the white coats are talking bullshit.

    Malhotra’s talk was entitled “Big Food and Big Pharma: Killing for Profit?“, and any immunologically-naïve individual who watched it pre-COVID will have been inoculated against the innumeracy of jernalists (because it’s a blackpill on Pharma, corrupt medical research, and a corrupt medical establishment: at ~1hr40 it’s too long for people whose attention span has been truncated by YouFaceTwit and dumbphones).

    I am pleased to note that Malhotra’s dedication to evidence-based medicine has seen him draw the correct conclusions regarding the mudshots (i.e., the Pfizer Quarterly Subscription) and their likely link to coronary artery damage.

    'They aren't going to publish their findings, they are concerned about losing research money' Dr Aseem Malhotra reveals a cardiology researcher found similar results to a new report showing an increase in risk of heart attack following the mRNA COVID vaccine.
    pic.twitter.com/63evorQwlJ— GB News (@GBNEWS) November 25, 2021

  62. @AnotherDad
    @Harry Baldwin


    The largest mass murder was the bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City that killed 168 people, perpetrated by two individuals, Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols. An enormous amount of preparation went into that one.
     
    I think 9-11 beats even that one.

    Allowing a bunch of people from a hostile civilization into your nation. Not a great idea.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Tony massey, @Wokechoke

    You’re definitely right about who you let in. Sometimes they come aknocking without an invitation and it only takes one.
    He Charlie kiloed about as many as 9/11 right there I’m thinking.
    Score one for our side.

    https://nypost.com/2013/06/23/sgt-1st-class-dillard-johnson-is-the-deadliest-us-soldier-on-record-with-2746-kills/?utm_source=url_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons

  63. That’s a really good article and I appreciate (living fairly near Oxford) the admission of the failure of Sailer’s Law in this case at the end of said article. Unscientifically, I would also tend to concur with the conclusion that no gun control law of any feasibility is going to prevent 100 percent of the Crumbleys of the world.

  64. The NRA has been silent, lately, regarding what to do about school shootings. Post-Parkland, La Pierre gave a much-anticipated, widely reported speech wherein he proposed that some schoolteachers should be trained as marshals. (That continues to be NRA policy. Once again we see how political conservatives fundamentally support the public education system.)

    NYP recently reported that on a day when a NYC public school had installed a metal detector at its front entrance (the equivalent of a sobriety checkpoint), the machine detected, and officials confiscated, 21 weapons (including knives but no firearms); the day before a kid there was found with a loaded pistol (and \$30K).

    The school already has its own unionized, trained safety officers (i.e. cop-marshals). According to an unnamed source in the school, an increasing number of students are bringing in weapons as a means of protection. So much for the NRA’s approach.

    If we can’t a_p_e, if we can’t at least end compulsory attendance (i.e. the draft), then we should at least affirm a schoolkid’s natural right of self-defense. Arm the students.

  65. @PaceLaw
    “If I had to guess, I’d say a declining fear of going to hell is behind the growth over the past forty years in performative public mass murders.”

    That’s quite a keen point. Judeo-Christian values and morals have largely been denigrated and driven from the schools and the public square. It stands to reason then that this society would produce individuals who think of themselves as their own gods who are not subject to any greater authority. For such individuals murder becomes no big deal.

    Replies: @Observer49, @Jon, @Anonymous, @stillCARealist, @Mike Tre, @Isaac Nussbaum, @AnotherDad, @Bill Jones, @Jay Fink

    That’s quite a keen point. Judeo-Christian values and morals have largely been denigrated and driven from the schools and the public square.

    And right there we have the classic example of the meaningless bullshit “Judea-Christian”.

    The God of the Jews was all too keen on senseless mass murdering.

    Christ somewhat less so,

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Bill Jones

    It's not like the Homeric pantheon was any better behaved.

    Our understanding of the divine has evolved as we have as a species. Truth be told, I'd like to think that's the point.

    , @PaceLaw
    @Bill Jones

    I have to disagree with you Bill. While mass murders were definitely attributed to God in the Old Testament, they were not senseless. Those who got blasted had it coming. As to Christ, check out the Book of Revelation in the New Testament. Christ’s second coming will make all of the mass murders in the Old Testament seem like a dry run for the big show.

  66. @Isaac Nussbaum
    @PaceLaw

    A point of clarification, PaceLaw. While most churches teach a fiery hell of eternal torture, the Bible does not. "Later, God condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah and turned them into heaps of ashes. He made them an example of what will happen to ungodly people." (2 Peter 2:6, NLT)

    Replies: @PaceLaw, @Jack D

    You are flatly wrong here Isaac. The Bible clearly teaches of a fiery and eternal hell. See Luke 16:24-31 where Jesus tells of an excruciating eternal fire. See also the Book of Revelation in the New Testament where an eternal lake of fire is vividly described.

  67. @Bill Jones
    @PaceLaw


    That’s quite a keen point. Judeo-Christian values and morals have largely been denigrated and driven from the schools and the public square.
     
    And right there we have the classic example of the meaningless bullshit "Judea-Christian".

    The God of the Jews was all too keen on senseless mass murdering.

    Christ somewhat less so,

    Replies: @nebulafox, @PaceLaw

    It’s not like the Homeric pantheon was any better behaved.

    Our understanding of the divine has evolved as we have as a species. Truth be told, I’d like to think that’s the point.

  68. @Isaac Nussbaum
    @PaceLaw

    A point of clarification, PaceLaw. While most churches teach a fiery hell of eternal torture, the Bible does not. "Later, God condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah and turned them into heaps of ashes. He made them an example of what will happen to ungodly people." (2 Peter 2:6, NLT)

    Replies: @PaceLaw, @Jack D

    The common thread is that Gehenna (Hell) is a fiery place in most versions of it, but the duration is often said to vary. The Rabbis said that a sinner would be sentenced to Gehenna for no more that a year (and they would get Shabbos off). Maimonides thought that the idea of Hell as a place of eternal punishment was mostly a fairy tale to scare children and that the souls of the wicked would just be destroyed and cease to exist. But mostly, Jews don’t spend a lot of time thinking about heaven and hell. The focus is on following the commandments in THIS life. No one really knows what comes next.

    • Agree: PaceLaw
    • Replies: @Thomas Covenant Unbeliever
    @Jack D

    About the only thing they believe literally in the Bible is the part that says the land between the rivers belongs to them. Even though a majority refuse to live there.

  69. @Bill Jones
    @PaceLaw


    That’s quite a keen point. Judeo-Christian values and morals have largely been denigrated and driven from the schools and the public square.
     
    And right there we have the classic example of the meaningless bullshit "Judea-Christian".

    The God of the Jews was all too keen on senseless mass murdering.

    Christ somewhat less so,

    Replies: @nebulafox, @PaceLaw

    I have to disagree with you Bill. While mass murders were definitely attributed to God in the Old Testament, they were not senseless. Those who got blasted had it coming. As to Christ, check out the Book of Revelation in the New Testament. Christ’s second coming will make all of the mass murders in the Old Testament seem like a dry run for the big show.

  70. @jb
    @Jack D

    We really need to rehabilitate the idea of eugenics somehow! It doesn't have to be state imposed sterilization of the unfit -- it would help a lot if the idea that it's a positive thing when smart, stable people have large families became popular and respectable among people who were smart and stable, rather than those people thinking they are doing the world a favor by not burdening it with their children.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Johann Ricke, @Alden

    I think that it’s more an issue of economics and incentives than fashion. Walter didn’t have to worry about supporting 10 children because he didn’t support any of them. They were supported either by their mothers or by the state but in any case, dad wasn’t going to pay private school and college tuition, he wasn’t going to pay for braces or health insurance, he wasn’t gonna pay for any of it. If I had had 10 children by several different women by age 27 I would have been beyond broke.

    Likewise, if you are one of Walter’s baby mommas, you are not going to defer having children until you are past 30 because you are working on your PhD. and the difference in income between staying home and living on welfare vs. working is not all that big.

  71. Give duh legacy press some credit. The family can be a powerful constraint on insane behavior.

    Does NYT reporter show up and ask the mama, “How do you feel about your kid murdering innocent children, in cold blood, for no reason? What kinda f***ing mother are you?”

    Nope. They want to know about the kid’s aspirations. “He was going to be a rapper. He was straightening his life out. Going to apply to college.”

  72. @jb
    @Jack D

    We really need to rehabilitate the idea of eugenics somehow! It doesn't have to be state imposed sterilization of the unfit -- it would help a lot if the idea that it's a positive thing when smart, stable people have large families became popular and respectable among people who were smart and stable, rather than those people thinking they are doing the world a favor by not burdening it with their children.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Johann Ricke, @Alden

    We really need to rehabilitate the idea of eugenics somehow! It doesn’t have to be state imposed sterilization of the unfit — it would help a lot if the idea that it’s a positive thing when smart, stable people have large families became popular and respectable among people who were smart and stable, rather than those people thinking they are doing the world a favor by not burdening it with their children.

    That’s where non-refundable child care tax credits come in. Want more children? We’ll pay for their maintenance if you work for a living. Don’t work? We won’t add to your benefits if you have more kids. The problem here is the bleeding hearts and “moderates” will get up in arms over how we’re starving the children.

  73. @Observer49
    @PaceLaw

    Something else to add to this point about not believing in hell - think about the typical white school shooter.

    Pasty, white sperg nerds - exactly the sort of person you would find most contemptuous of religious belief.

    These guys are proud of not believing in hell and view it as part of their superiority. They also see themselves as paragons of consistent rationality, and killing everyone who torments you then shooting yourself to escape fits right in their twisted view.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Corvinus

    “Pasty, white sperg nerds”…

    I would say that this label repeatedly put forth by you, apparently the moral better, and like minded folks is a major factor as to why they turn to shoot people.

  74. Meanwhile, America scores like a third world country on this years world peace index… again! ☹️

  75. @Jack D
    Blacks are more violent in general, but even looking at mass murder vs. mass shooting doesn't pick up the full nuance. I think what is going on is that insane murderers (people who shoot up elementary schools and movie theaters, etc.) can be either black or white (though blacks have higher rates of serious mental illness) but gang shooters/murderers (people who shoot up funerals of members of rival gangs, etc.) are almost always black. The latter are acting "rationally" in accordance with their value system/code of the streets. Since black shooter are both category A and B, that adds up to a higher rate than whites who are only category A.

    I don't know where you put Islamic murderers - OTOH they are fairly nuts (millions of sane Muslims never go jihad) but OTOH, they are in a sense targeting a rival gang (infidels) in accordance with their value system/ideology.

    People who "go postal" are another intermediate category. They have some grudge against their workplace and will often target the boss who fired them but OTOH, while they are at it they decide to shoot random co-workers also. So they are more like the insane murderers.

    But what's interesting is that the stereotype of Category A murderers in the media is that they are white and use long guns. Likewise the "going postal" stereotype is also white. Part of this is the hunt for the Great White Defendant, who relieves the endless parade of black murderers who otherwise dominate the police blotter and who defy the Narrative that blacks are now all doctors and scientists like you see in the commercials in between the news reports.

    Replies: @Shel100

    The stereotype exists in a large degree because white serial killers and mass murderers get far more coverage in the media.Blacks who commit the same kinds of crimes are downplayed and quickly forgotten.Everyone has heard of Dylan Roof but few have heard of Omar Thornton who murdered eight whites in a racially motivated mas shooting.

  76. @PaceLaw
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Why did Dylan Roof shoot up a black church? I recall reading his “manifesto“ and it was his specific intent to start a race war. He even said that the KKK was now useless (quite unlike how the media portrays the KKK) so he felt that he needed to go on his own and carry out the attack. He wanted to do something so extreme and shocking that it would trigger tit-for-tat retaliation between the races. I am mildly surprised that there was no actual retaliation for the church massacre.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Wokechoke

    Yeah, but that’s just it, PaceLaw. He shot church people, which was NOT going to start a race war. Of course, stupid stuff like banning of the Rebel flag would happen, and more importantly to the families, there would be lawsuits for big bucks. However, if Dylann Roof had wanted to start a race war, he could have shot up a black night club. (He’d probably hit more people who deserved it in some way too.) There would be some retaliation all right!

    I guess he was just kind of dumb.

  77. @Rob
    @Achmed E. Newman


    why shoot up a church, for C____t’s sake?!
     
    I read that as the c-word, and I thought, “huh, that’s not the context in which one usually sees that word.” Then I realized you meant Christ, and suddenly it made sense.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter

    C#&nt is not capitalized in the middle of a sentence either.

  78. @Pat Hannagan
    @Steve Sailer

    I'm surprised at how little fightback you get, I get 100 x more just attempting to put down in written words or diagramme out a basic understanding of a fault.

    You make vastly more ridiculous claims on your posts every day, there's an insurmountable amount of essays you post with unqualified assertions, it's like 1000 x 10, let's face it, that's the basic fault of evolutionary theorists.

    HBD people keep asserting just-so stories to back up their just-so theories which they assert as the founding premise of humanity.

    As they do so, just like so, metereolgists keep predicting a heat and hot sun decimation of humanity while Sydney must again put up and umbrella through a rain soaked La Nina.

    I think you people are full of shit and can't tell shit from clay.

    But none of what I say will divert you from your discourse.

    It's so formulaic that now it's become like a shout and response.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6FBfAQ-NDE

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter

    “It’s so formulaic that now it’s become like a shout and response.”

    We all learned from the master:

    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=pastor+james+david+manning+on+black+folk&view=detail&mid=C1F1DD79223535C9E6D8C1F1DD79223535C9E6D8&FORM=VIRE

  79. @dearieme
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Why not kill the “right” people?

    I often ask myself why the insane kill harmless school children when there are lots of people around they could usefully kill instead. I suspect the question answers itself: they are insane.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Mike Tre, @Bardon Kaldian, @Paperback Writer, @Anonymous

    They kill people who in their sick minds they perceive as having “dissed” them.

    Which may explain why there are no gay shooters. They think they are above everyone else.

  80. @Known Fact
    Hence the ad industry's obsessive presentation of black people as pleasant and agreeable rather than a shooting or smash-n-grab just waiting to happen. BTW the flier I got yesterday from Costco rival BJ's depicted a happy white dad, a cute little white girl and -- walking along right between them -- a smiling black mom with the usual Sideshow Bob hairstyle

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    Back in the 1980s Saturday Night Live treated race fairly honestly. Do you remember Mr. Robinson’s Neighborhood?

  81. Somehow black fuglemen must be pressured to start shaming their own community. If possible without bribes.

  82. I remember the days when John Plywood was on here, vigorously arguing for the fact that generations of Japanese and Chinese immigrants secretly had mass graves in their gardens from all the people they had cleverly murdered over the years.

    Of course, the way he phrased it was “Everyone murders at the same rate, but Whites are smart enough to hide it, unlike Blacks.”

  83. @Romanian
    @Steve Sailer

    Mr. Sailer, here is an off-topic for you:

    One of the best security-oriented publications online just published a doozy of an article, in which the racism of mistaken yellow peril is matched by the racism of mistaken yellow dismissal. Some of what it writes is obviously true, but the interpretation is so uncharitable and so in line with supporting modern day positions and policies, that the article really does cross into Sailerbait.

    https://warontherocks.com/2021/12/never-thought-they-could-pull-off-such-an-attack-prejudice-and-pearl-harbor/


    Individually, each man pressed for greater awareness of the Japanese threat and an improved warning posture on Oahu in the months and weeks prior to Dec. 7. Yet, they represented the extent of Japanese expertise in the U.S. military: a handful of white men whose unique backgrounds and careers provided them direct contact with foreign language and culture. Though such men understood Japanese military modernization, operational security, and strategic ambitions, their presence alone was insufficient to break the stranglehold ethnocentric groupthink held on Oahu’s defenders. Organizations don’t reap the benefits of diversity and inclusion and effectively combat groupthink without actual representation of otherwise excluded groups. Though McCollum, Layton, Rochefort, and a few dozen others with similar backgrounds represented a small “diversity of thought” in the U.S. military’s perspective on Japan, this was not the same as the kind of service-wide diversity and inclusion that might have broken the ethnocentric groupthink plaguing Hawaii’s defenders.

    ......
    Many of the drivers of ethnocentric groupthink surrounding Pearl Harbor encourage similar prejudicial behavior today. “Experts” like Pratt and Puleston, with their eugenics-laden assertions, are forerunners of modern pseudo-experts who enjoy undue influence over large groups of readers and viewers thanks to the popularity of their platforms and despite their shallow credentials. The widespread belief in Japanese physical and mental shortcomings owed much to a proto-meme culture in which racist political cartoons (including those by the future Dr. Seuss), newsreel animations, and repeated movie tropes saturated popular culture. These cartoons and trope villains reinforced and normalized nonsensical beliefs about the Japanese. In this very same fashion, 21st-century jingoist punditry and racist memes pose a similar threat to effective analysis and decision-making. Their influence works against a clear-eyed, sober assessment of threats and opportunities. Indeed, the modern digital information environment exacerbates these effects, empowering pseudo-experts and overwhelming consumers’ ability to think critically about data sources and biases.
    .....
    It is compelling to consider the potential impact leaders with more diverse perspectives might have had for U.S. defenses on Oahu. Men like McCollum, Layton, and Rochefort held important positions (disproportionately in intelligence ranks) and benefited from unique life experiences. Yet, what if such positions of national security responsibility had been open to Americans of East Asian descent? What if women and ethnic minorities were not systemically excluded? Might a more realistic and objective evaluation of Japanese carrier aviation (and less preoccupation with sabotage and subversion) have tempered ethnocentric groupthink on Oahu?

    Ironically, the Allies achieved a considerable comparative intelligence advantage over Axis foes during the war through gender diversity and inclusion. Large-scale employment of women in imagery intelligence and signals intelligence operations, for example, provided both the raw staffing these laborious tasks required (ultimately several thousand women worked at Medmenham, Bletchley Park, Arlington Hall, and elsewhere) and the pockets of genius that all newly included demographics bring. Consider critical figures like Constance Babington-Smith, whose imagery analysis was critical to Allied understanding of the German V-1 threat; Genevieve Grotjan, who made key breakthroughs in deciphering Japan’s diplomatic “Purple” encryption system; and others like Elizebeth Friedman and Ann Caracristi. This was not tokenism or political pandering: This was the marshalling of national resources in time of crisis. Yet it had its limits. These were overwhelmingly white women, disproportionately from middle- and upper-class Christian backgrounds. Imagine what advantages might have been realized via large-scale inclusion of capable people regardless of gender, religion, sexual orientation, race, or national origin.

    Pearl Harbor Wasn’t an Outlier

    The details of the warning failure at Pearl Harbor illustrate how toxic ethnocentrism, the byproduct of a homogenous workforce, taints analysis and decision-making in various ways. A lack of diversity fosters devastating shared blind spots, skewing the foundations upon which every process is built. Without diversity, some flawed beliefs go unchallenged. Pearl Harbor demonstrates the dangerous results of unchallenged ethnocentric assumptions. Pervasive ethnocentrism and racism lead to disastrous outcomes when they supplant real evidence or lead one to underestimate a foe. These dynamics do not merely reflect the prevailing racial attitudes of the American military of the 1940s. They illustrate how a lack of diversity and inclusion in the national security workforce could have lethal consequences today.

    The private sector has no shortage of industry research that demonstrates how a lack of diversity and inclusion negatively impacts organizational performance. National security organizations are similarly vulnerable. Since national security leaders have made the argument that diversity and inclusion can strengthen their organizations, extrapolations from these industry findings should be further explored for their applicability.

    While organizations lacking diversity risk prejudicial blind spots, teams comprised of people from diverse backgrounds are more likely to mitigate this bias thanks to multiple perspectives drawn from personal experiences.
    ....
    There is a concerning tendency among some to discuss the factors that lead to the ethnocentric groupthink displayed before Pearl Harbor in terms of personal opinions and hurt feelings, as if overt racism were merely impolite — and to dismiss diversity and inclusion as tokenism or wokeness run amok. National security professionals need to remember that ethnocentrism and racism aren’t just politically incorrect or morally objectionable. They’re fundamentally, inherently stupid. Ethnocentrism is dangerous. Ethnocentrism threatens national security. Diversity and inclusion fight ethnocentrism.
     
    Yikes, the arguments are overstated to say the least. The author also attacks the issue from every angle, except for decrying anti-White racism, oikophobia etc.

    Replies: @ThreeCranes, @Anonymous, @Jack D

    So drawing semi-literate peasants from Okinawa living as “Japanese” in Hawaii into high-level intelligence work would have given superior insights?

    Insights, e.g., into the abilities and thinking of samurai-class military officers and pilots from Japan proper, working with cutting-edge military technology?

    It is now clear beyond a peradventure of a doubt that F. Delano Roosevelt had actual knowledge of the impending attack which he had painstakingly provoked. FDR and his communist entourate intentionally chose to keep Kimmel out of the loop, having previously ensured that all carriers would be safely out at sea.

  84. Rob says:
    @stillCARealist
    OT:

    Steve linked to Ed West's substack about white people lying about race on their college apps (among other topics). I just got a second-hand story about this and I have no reason to doubt the source.

    My relative works at a large hospital in the Bay Area and her young co-worker is all excited about getting into nursing school. And, this young woman has 50K in scholarships all lined up to help pay for it. How did she get such great scholarships? Well, she checked the black box on the race question on all the applications. Really? And nobody checks to see if you actually are black? Nope, it's all online. Wow, but you're totally white, aren't you worried this could come back to bite you? Nope (and here's the kicker, as if what happened so far wasn't outrageous), EVERYBODY DOES IT.

    Now, I don't believe for a minute that "everybody does it," but then I thought about my own son, checking "two or more races" on all the races boxes in his academic and job life (he has both Welsh and French ancestry). At some point, all white people are going to find a way to be something else, or they'll just be chumps, unwilling to play by the new rules and constantly losing.

    Replies: @Rob

    Self-identifying as another race is great jiu-jitsu. There are elite “blacks” who really do not want to have 23\$Me test results adjudicate blackness. The courts have been extremely leery of setting “blood quantum” or phenotype requirements to qualify as a minority. I’m pretty sure blacks don’t want anyone, especially whites measuring the width of their noses, or the kinkiness of their hair… Given that race is a social construct just like gender, there is no argument against transracialism beyond point-’n’-sputter and speaking power to truth that does not apply in spades to transgendered.

    If race is a social construct, not recognition of group differences with iffy edge cases and what-about-’ims that consume lots of time on some racialist forums, then self-IDing as another race, multiple races, or post-racial panmictic melange qualifying for every quota and being the kwisatz haderach to boot is totally kosher. I don’t “dress black”? Well, Mr Race-Investigator, how do blacks dress? All of them?”

    The best part of the jiu-jitsu is that they cannot effectively complain about it without admitting that the diversity boosts for NAMs in college admissions are not “tie-breakers” for nearly equally qualified applicants. There are schools where every white student did better on the SAT than every black student. This was probably more true back when the SAT was designed to measure aptitude and be hard to game, Taking out “development” admits (donors) athletes (also donors) and legacies (donations yet again) there are probably a lot schools where all the merited white matriculants.

    Here’s a MORE tag for ya!

    [MORE]

    Something like 15% of Harvard admits are black. Going by grades and test scores Harvard would be 1% black. For every black student smart enough to be there, there are fourteen more! If you pretend to be black, your odds of going to Harvard go up considerably. I wonder if admissions departments are like, “black male with 4.7 GPA and 1550 SAT? Let’s get a photo…” Or do they just appreciate the Liz Warren-style diversity boost? There’s a black board, space, whatever they are called for blacks on Reddit, think I read about it here, actually. They require you to submit a photo of your arm with your screen name written on it. That arm had better be black! Do colleges do this with matriculants? Does anyone have inside information?

    Anyway, SJWs could only have a problem with whites self-identifying as minorities if there are benefits to being in whichever minority pool they are attempting to swim in. I believe someone got Ibram ex-Kendi to admit that there is a heavy thumb on the scale for admitting blacks into college. He deleted the tweet when realized what he had said. If there are no benefits from being a minority, them white people playing black is no different than someone who is maybe 1/16th Dutch starting a club where lots of people with questionable levels of Dutch ancestry wear wooden shoes and pretend they speak Dutch. “Watt nau? Nicht ein fingerpoken in mein lookenpeepers!”

    SJWs, BLMers, the successor ideology believers as a whole cannot admit that there are already heavy benefits to being in the black or whatever pool for college. Ex-Kendi said, “the remedy for past discrimination is present discrimination [against whites]” or somesuch. We’ve had roughly 1965 to today of AA and heavily propagandizing white schoolchildren.” I remember the third or so grade teacher in a small military town in Southern Illinois, where the school had field trips to the Catholic Church. Where we dang endless patriotic songs.., the teacher practically screaming at us that whites did not colonize the world because we are better or smarter. We did it with Chinese technology… The school had some black kids bussed in, or maybe there was a micro-ghetto in town. Behavioral and cognitive differences were something I noticed at eight or nine. I could not understand why adults could not see them!

    They were serious about trying to make us anti-racists back then in the extremely conservative Midwest. They tied it to patriotic values like fairness and equality of opportunity. They really wanted blacks to be part of mainstream America. Of course, expecting blacks to adopt white “American” culture is now recognized as white supremacism. Today, blacks are perfect as they are, and we know racism makes them dumb and violent. They are correct in not recognizing “white” laws.

    But the anti-racist propaganda mostly worked! Especially on girls, who learn more in school on average and conform to adult expectations earlier than boys. Most racists feel really bad about being racist. I do! It sucks that blacks are so hostile to society that I have racist thoughts about them. Blacks make me feel racist, which makes me feel bad. I blame black people for this. Yet another negative thing about blacks!

    The big difference between liberal and normiecons on race is the level of accommodation and tolerance of behavioral differences. Liberals try to accept blacks as they are, though most expect that they’ll join white society eventually, once they see how superior our culture is. Normiecons expect blacks to conform to white culture right out of the gate. Both groups think being racist is horrible. Only dissidents and the shattered and demoralized alt-right realize that blacks will pool at the bottom of society because of cognitive and behavioral differences, a lot of which is genetic.

    Where dissidents differ is what to do. AnotherDad wants separate nations. I want reservations for blacks like the Indians, the other primitive people greatly inconvenienced by British colonists, live on. A place where they make their own rules with whatever political and social system they want, but backstopped by the government so they don’t start eating people again. Yeah, I know, different Indians. But were will the black (+ SJW?) nation be? Do we lose some Southern states to an attempt at Wakanda? Do all the blacks who don’t want to live under American norms move there? Who gets to choose who lives where? A reasonable “separate nations” scenario is Whitopia, Wakanda, and Diversimania, with the Hispanics either living in Diversimania or going home. What would the map look like? One map puts Wakanda in the heavily black deep South, right? Mississippi, Alabama, and whatever else, right? Or, if the minoritarians decide they all want to live in a big, diverse, polycultural Ottomania, perhaps blacks in the South are relocated to the North? The South and Midwestern states become Whitopia. Maybe the further west midwest, like Idaho also joins Whitopia? The Northeast and Mid-Atlantic become Diversimania. Perhaps California and the Blue parts of Oregon and Washington become a separate Diversimania, but in español? There are probably a lot of whites in blue areas who would prefer Whitopia to Diversimania, so there might be an exodus of socially liberal, educated whites from Diversimania.

    Does anyone have defensible borders? In Europe, ethnics tended to absorb and expand to natural borders. Maybe defensible borders are not a real thing in a world of cruise missiles and stealth bombers? How to move people who do not want to move? Pretty much anyway is a crime against humanity. Do all the nations end up with large, more or less hostile, and unassimilable minorities?

    More likely than real separation would be a millet system like the Ottomans had. Different ethnies live under their own rules. The only “public square” laws would be for interactions between members of different communities. As a first step, lightening up law enforcement in black ghettoes. They don’t want it. It costs a fortune, both directly and the cost of warehousing so many blacks in prison. Blacks don’t really respect white laws, cops, DAs, and judges. Let them work out how they want to live given their different nature. Enlightenment values are great for Northwestern Europeans. Science, reason, these things fit our nature. We thrived on them for centuries. I don’t know what system and philosophies will make blacks thrive. Perhaps none will.

    Another option for blacks is panopticon and prison-lite. Well-meaning whites in charge of a “prison” system, but not one built to punish. Instead, this system would include both men and women. Well-meaning whites and perhaps smarter blacks would decide where they lived, enforce monogamy to the best of their abilities. Ensure that “hustling” was difficult and unprofitable. Require black men to support their children. Have “the hole” for residents who cannot conform to the rules. This situation would not be punitive, but it would be restrictive. Guns would be banned. Black men’s pride and responses to “disses” could be channeled away from driving-by and into duels. Only the two men involved can get killed. Duels would probably have to be to the death. Medical expenses of 10% of the black men needing regular dialysis because they had a kidney stabbed out would be too expensive. Work would be required. While the private sector has little use for workers with 75 IQ, in prison most prisoners work. Prison-lite could use the methods of punitive prisons to get dumb, temperamental men to do productive labor. As this situation is not intended to be punitive, men and women would live together, in whatever arrangements they chose for themselves. We have paternity testing now, so we can assign upkeep to the sperm donor regardless of women’s behavior. Paternal certainty might improve intrablack relationships. Shirking dad duty? We would not let kids starve, that’s inhumane, but they can be placed on permanent birth control, rendering paternal shirking unfit in an evolutionary sense.

    Kumbaya, everyone gets along is not really compatible with human natures. When ideas are outlawed, only outlaws will have ideas.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Rob

    "Something like 15% of Harvard admits are black."

    But usually maybe 8% of Harvard's freshmen are black. Even Harvard's yield of black acceptees is low. Good enough blacks are in such high demand that HYPS compete hard against each other for the top black students. That's why you hear about black kids getting into all eight Ivy League college but not anybody else. The top 2 dozen colleges used to get together each year to more or less draft students so they wouldn't compete against each other. Supposedly they don't do that anymore, but they still seem to have ways so they don't compete too hard ... except for blacks.

    Replies: @Rob, @ic1000

    , @Jack D
    @Rob


    Or do they just appreciate the Liz Warren-style diversity boost?
     
    I think mostly the latter, although you have to have some plausible deniability - you have to be blackISH at least.

    I will give you an example. In her 1st semester at MIT, my daughter very excitedly told me that she had a black friend who was very intelligent and proved that I was just a dirty old racist for saying that blacks are usually less intelligent than whites. Later I had a chance to meet this fellow. It turned out that his mother had been from the light skinned Haitian elite and his father was a Frenchman. At some point when he was quite young his mother took off and he had been raised (in the US) by his very strict and doting French father who was some sort of business executive. Maybe in Greenwich, CT or someplace like that - I forget. If you squinted really hard, you could tell that this fellow was "black" - I'd say about 1/8 black, genetically. Culturally he was 0% black and had 0% ADOS blood. But for MIT, he was "black".

    More recently, she told me about one of her "black" professors in her Ivy League PhD engineering program. It turns out that this fellow is from Jamaica and he looks Donald Harris's (Kamala's dad) brother. Again maybe 1/4 black.

    Ivies and similar places just LOVE clean well behaved Obama type blacks. They need less tutoring and cause less problems (fewer raped coeds) than ADOS blacks, who are mostly on the sports teams. Just taking care of the black athletes alone is a handful - they don't need more problems. A blackish black counts as part of the 15% black total just as much so good enough. Even if they WANTED real blacks there aren't enough of them who could make it thru the curriculum. Maf is hard. They are going to spot (non-athlete) blacks maybe 100 SAT points/section but that mean (at MIT) that the average black has 700 Math rather than 800 and there are only a few hundred blacks in the entire country who score above 700 math ( vs tens of thousands of Asians).

    But OTOH if your name is Kyle Rittenhouse and you are from rural Iowa and you claim to be black and you don't have a lot of "black" stuff listed on your application, you can be sure that they are going to be asking questions and not just accept your check the box and if you show up with blond hair and blue eyes it's gonna be a problem.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind

  85. @PaceLaw
    “If I had to guess, I’d say a declining fear of going to hell is behind the growth over the past forty years in performative public mass murders.”

    That’s quite a keen point. Judeo-Christian values and morals have largely been denigrated and driven from the schools and the public square. It stands to reason then that this society would produce individuals who think of themselves as their own gods who are not subject to any greater authority. For such individuals murder becomes no big deal.

    Replies: @Observer49, @Jon, @Anonymous, @stillCARealist, @Mike Tre, @Isaac Nussbaum, @AnotherDad, @Bill Jones, @Jay Fink

    If I understand Christianity correctly can’t anyone, including murderers, avoid hell if they find Jesus before they die? Jesus died for their sins. I’m not a fan of this. I would prefer a religion that focuses on sin. One that is extremely judgemental towards criminals and preaches about how they are going to hell. The problem is no religion is unforgiving of bad people. The secular world is all the more loving towards them. No one is against them. No wonder we have so much crime.

    • Replies: @PaceLaw
    @Jay Fink

    Ah, but alas, Christianity does focus on sin. The Bible clearly states that unrepentant sinners, such as murderers and criminals will go to hell. You are correct that even a repentant murderer who accepts Jesus as savior will then go to heaven. That’s a marvelous offer for us sinners.

  86. @Romanian
    @Steve Sailer

    Mr. Sailer, here is an off-topic for you:

    One of the best security-oriented publications online just published a doozy of an article, in which the racism of mistaken yellow peril is matched by the racism of mistaken yellow dismissal. Some of what it writes is obviously true, but the interpretation is so uncharitable and so in line with supporting modern day positions and policies, that the article really does cross into Sailerbait.

    https://warontherocks.com/2021/12/never-thought-they-could-pull-off-such-an-attack-prejudice-and-pearl-harbor/


    Individually, each man pressed for greater awareness of the Japanese threat and an improved warning posture on Oahu in the months and weeks prior to Dec. 7. Yet, they represented the extent of Japanese expertise in the U.S. military: a handful of white men whose unique backgrounds and careers provided them direct contact with foreign language and culture. Though such men understood Japanese military modernization, operational security, and strategic ambitions, their presence alone was insufficient to break the stranglehold ethnocentric groupthink held on Oahu’s defenders. Organizations don’t reap the benefits of diversity and inclusion and effectively combat groupthink without actual representation of otherwise excluded groups. Though McCollum, Layton, Rochefort, and a few dozen others with similar backgrounds represented a small “diversity of thought” in the U.S. military’s perspective on Japan, this was not the same as the kind of service-wide diversity and inclusion that might have broken the ethnocentric groupthink plaguing Hawaii’s defenders.

    ......
    Many of the drivers of ethnocentric groupthink surrounding Pearl Harbor encourage similar prejudicial behavior today. “Experts” like Pratt and Puleston, with their eugenics-laden assertions, are forerunners of modern pseudo-experts who enjoy undue influence over large groups of readers and viewers thanks to the popularity of their platforms and despite their shallow credentials. The widespread belief in Japanese physical and mental shortcomings owed much to a proto-meme culture in which racist political cartoons (including those by the future Dr. Seuss), newsreel animations, and repeated movie tropes saturated popular culture. These cartoons and trope villains reinforced and normalized nonsensical beliefs about the Japanese. In this very same fashion, 21st-century jingoist punditry and racist memes pose a similar threat to effective analysis and decision-making. Their influence works against a clear-eyed, sober assessment of threats and opportunities. Indeed, the modern digital information environment exacerbates these effects, empowering pseudo-experts and overwhelming consumers’ ability to think critically about data sources and biases.
    .....
    It is compelling to consider the potential impact leaders with more diverse perspectives might have had for U.S. defenses on Oahu. Men like McCollum, Layton, and Rochefort held important positions (disproportionately in intelligence ranks) and benefited from unique life experiences. Yet, what if such positions of national security responsibility had been open to Americans of East Asian descent? What if women and ethnic minorities were not systemically excluded? Might a more realistic and objective evaluation of Japanese carrier aviation (and less preoccupation with sabotage and subversion) have tempered ethnocentric groupthink on Oahu?

    Ironically, the Allies achieved a considerable comparative intelligence advantage over Axis foes during the war through gender diversity and inclusion. Large-scale employment of women in imagery intelligence and signals intelligence operations, for example, provided both the raw staffing these laborious tasks required (ultimately several thousand women worked at Medmenham, Bletchley Park, Arlington Hall, and elsewhere) and the pockets of genius that all newly included demographics bring. Consider critical figures like Constance Babington-Smith, whose imagery analysis was critical to Allied understanding of the German V-1 threat; Genevieve Grotjan, who made key breakthroughs in deciphering Japan’s diplomatic “Purple” encryption system; and others like Elizebeth Friedman and Ann Caracristi. This was not tokenism or political pandering: This was the marshalling of national resources in time of crisis. Yet it had its limits. These were overwhelmingly white women, disproportionately from middle- and upper-class Christian backgrounds. Imagine what advantages might have been realized via large-scale inclusion of capable people regardless of gender, religion, sexual orientation, race, or national origin.

    Pearl Harbor Wasn’t an Outlier

    The details of the warning failure at Pearl Harbor illustrate how toxic ethnocentrism, the byproduct of a homogenous workforce, taints analysis and decision-making in various ways. A lack of diversity fosters devastating shared blind spots, skewing the foundations upon which every process is built. Without diversity, some flawed beliefs go unchallenged. Pearl Harbor demonstrates the dangerous results of unchallenged ethnocentric assumptions. Pervasive ethnocentrism and racism lead to disastrous outcomes when they supplant real evidence or lead one to underestimate a foe. These dynamics do not merely reflect the prevailing racial attitudes of the American military of the 1940s. They illustrate how a lack of diversity and inclusion in the national security workforce could have lethal consequences today.

    The private sector has no shortage of industry research that demonstrates how a lack of diversity and inclusion negatively impacts organizational performance. National security organizations are similarly vulnerable. Since national security leaders have made the argument that diversity and inclusion can strengthen their organizations, extrapolations from these industry findings should be further explored for their applicability.

    While organizations lacking diversity risk prejudicial blind spots, teams comprised of people from diverse backgrounds are more likely to mitigate this bias thanks to multiple perspectives drawn from personal experiences.
    ....
    There is a concerning tendency among some to discuss the factors that lead to the ethnocentric groupthink displayed before Pearl Harbor in terms of personal opinions and hurt feelings, as if overt racism were merely impolite — and to dismiss diversity and inclusion as tokenism or wokeness run amok. National security professionals need to remember that ethnocentrism and racism aren’t just politically incorrect or morally objectionable. They’re fundamentally, inherently stupid. Ethnocentrism is dangerous. Ethnocentrism threatens national security. Diversity and inclusion fight ethnocentrism.
     
    Yikes, the arguments are overstated to say the least. The author also attacks the issue from every angle, except for decrying anti-White racism, oikophobia etc.

    Replies: @ThreeCranes, @Anonymous, @Jack D

    Imagine what advantages might have been realized via large-scale inclusion of capable people regardless of gender, religion, sexual orientation, race, or national origin.

    Why, we might have even won the war if we did that!

    That’s right. Following our smashing defeat due to lack of diversity in WWII (can you imagine – no women combat troops, no (known) gays, no Muslims, etc.) and Truman’s integration of the military after the war was over, the US has gone on to win every war since then. Vietnam and Afghanistan were particulary smashing victories due to our Black and female troops (respectively).

    What alternative universe are these folks living in?

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
  87. @Rob
    @stillCARealist

    Self-identifying as another race is great jiu-jitsu. There are elite “blacks” who really do not want to have 23$Me test results adjudicate blackness. The courts have been extremely leery of setting “blood quantum” or phenotype requirements to qualify as a minority. I’m pretty sure blacks don’t want anyone, especially whites measuring the width of their noses, or the kinkiness of their hair... Given that race is a social construct just like gender, there is no argument against transracialism beyond point-’n’-sputter and speaking power to truth that does not apply in spades to transgendered.

    If race is a social construct, not recognition of group differences with iffy edge cases and what-about-’ims that consume lots of time on some racialist forums, then self-IDing as another race, multiple races, or post-racial panmictic melange qualifying for every quota and being the kwisatz haderach to boot is totally kosher. I don’t “dress black”? Well, Mr Race-Investigator, how do blacks dress? All of them?”

    The best part of the jiu-jitsu is that they cannot effectively complain about it without admitting that the diversity boosts for NAMs in college admissions are not “tie-breakers” for nearly equally qualified applicants. There are schools where every white student did better on the SAT than every black student. This was probably more true back when the SAT was designed to measure aptitude and be hard to game, Taking out “development” admits (donors) athletes (also donors) and legacies (donations yet again) there are probably a lot schools where all the merited white matriculants.

    Here’s a MORE tag for ya!

    Something like 15% of Harvard admits are black. Going by grades and test scores Harvard would be 1% black. For every black student smart enough to be there, there are fourteen more! If you pretend to be black, your odds of going to Harvard go up considerably. I wonder if admissions departments are like, “black male with 4.7 GPA and 1550 SAT? Let’s get a photo...” Or do they just appreciate the Liz Warren-style diversity boost? There’s a black board, space, whatever they are called for blacks on Reddit, think I read about it here, actually. They require you to submit a photo of your arm with your screen name written on it. That arm had better be black! Do colleges do this with matriculants? Does anyone have inside information?

    Anyway, SJWs could only have a problem with whites self-identifying as minorities if there are benefits to being in whichever minority pool they are attempting to swim in. I believe someone got Ibram ex-Kendi to admit that there is a heavy thumb on the scale for admitting blacks into college. He deleted the tweet when realized what he had said. If there are no benefits from being a minority, them white people playing black is no different than someone who is maybe 1/16th Dutch starting a club where lots of people with questionable levels of Dutch ancestry wear wooden shoes and pretend they speak Dutch. “Watt nau? Nicht ein fingerpoken in mein lookenpeepers!”

    SJWs, BLMers, the successor ideology believers as a whole cannot admit that there are already heavy benefits to being in the black or whatever pool for college. Ex-Kendi said, “the remedy for past discrimination is present discrimination [against whites]” or somesuch. We’ve had roughly 1965 to today of AA and heavily propagandizing white schoolchildren.” I remember the third or so grade teacher in a small military town in Southern Illinois, where the school had field trips to the Catholic Church. Where we dang endless patriotic songs.., the teacher practically screaming at us that whites did not colonize the world because we are better or smarter. We did it with Chinese technology... The school had some black kids bussed in, or maybe there was a micro-ghetto in town. Behavioral and cognitive differences were something I noticed at eight or nine. I could not understand why adults could not see them!

    They were serious about trying to make us anti-racists back then in the extremely conservative Midwest. They tied it to patriotic values like fairness and equality of opportunity. They really wanted blacks to be part of mainstream America. Of course, expecting blacks to adopt white “American” culture is now recognized as white supremacism. Today, blacks are perfect as they are, and we know racism makes them dumb and violent. They are correct in not recognizing “white” laws.

    But the anti-racist propaganda mostly worked! Especially on girls, who learn more in school on average and conform to adult expectations earlier than boys. Most racists feel really bad about being racist. I do! It sucks that blacks are so hostile to society that I have racist thoughts about them. Blacks make me feel racist, which makes me feel bad. I blame black people for this. Yet another negative thing about blacks!

    The big difference between liberal and normiecons on race is the level of accommodation and tolerance of behavioral differences. Liberals try to accept blacks as they are, though most expect that they’ll join white society eventually, once they see how superior our culture is. Normiecons expect blacks to conform to white culture right out of the gate. Both groups think being racist is horrible. Only dissidents and the shattered and demoralized alt-right realize that blacks will pool at the bottom of society because of cognitive and behavioral differences, a lot of which is genetic.

    Where dissidents differ is what to do. AnotherDad wants separate nations. I want reservations for blacks like the Indians, the other primitive people greatly inconvenienced by British colonists, live on. A place where they make their own rules with whatever political and social system they want, but backstopped by the government so they don’t start eating people again. Yeah, I know, different Indians. But were will the black (+ SJW?) nation be? Do we lose some Southern states to an attempt at Wakanda? Do all the blacks who don’t want to live under American norms move there? Who gets to choose who lives where? A reasonable “separate nations” scenario is Whitopia, Wakanda, and Diversimania, with the Hispanics either living in Diversimania or going home. What would the map look like? One map puts Wakanda in the heavily black deep South, right? Mississippi, Alabama, and whatever else, right? Or, if the minoritarians decide they all want to live in a big, diverse, polycultural Ottomania, perhaps blacks in the South are relocated to the North? The South and Midwestern states become Whitopia. Maybe the further west midwest, like Idaho also joins Whitopia? The Northeast and Mid-Atlantic become Diversimania. Perhaps California and the Blue parts of Oregon and Washington become a separate Diversimania, but in español? There are probably a lot of whites in blue areas who would prefer Whitopia to Diversimania, so there might be an exodus of socially liberal, educated whites from Diversimania.

    Does anyone have defensible borders? In Europe, ethnics tended to absorb and expand to natural borders. Maybe defensible borders are not a real thing in a world of cruise missiles and stealth bombers? How to move people who do not want to move? Pretty much anyway is a crime against humanity. Do all the nations end up with large, more or less hostile, and unassimilable minorities?

    More likely than real separation would be a millet system like the Ottomans had. Different ethnies live under their own rules. The only “public square” laws would be for interactions between members of different communities. As a first step, lightening up law enforcement in black ghettoes. They don’t want it. It costs a fortune, both directly and the cost of warehousing so many blacks in prison. Blacks don’t really respect white laws, cops, DAs, and judges. Let them work out how they want to live given their different nature. Enlightenment values are great for Northwestern Europeans. Science, reason, these things fit our nature. We thrived on them for centuries. I don’t know what system and philosophies will make blacks thrive. Perhaps none will.

    Another option for blacks is panopticon and prison-lite. Well-meaning whites in charge of a “prison” system, but not one built to punish. Instead, this system would include both men and women. Well-meaning whites and perhaps smarter blacks would decide where they lived, enforce monogamy to the best of their abilities. Ensure that “hustling” was difficult and unprofitable. Require black men to support their children. Have “the hole” for residents who cannot conform to the rules. This situation would not be punitive, but it would be restrictive. Guns would be banned. Black men’s pride and responses to “disses” could be channeled away from driving-by and into duels. Only the two men involved can get killed. Duels would probably have to be to the death. Medical expenses of 10% of the black men needing regular dialysis because they had a kidney stabbed out would be too expensive. Work would be required. While the private sector has little use for workers with 75 IQ, in prison most prisoners work. Prison-lite could use the methods of punitive prisons to get dumb, temperamental men to do productive labor. As this situation is not intended to be punitive, men and women would live together, in whatever arrangements they chose for themselves. We have paternity testing now, so we can assign upkeep to the sperm donor regardless of women’s behavior. Paternal certainty might improve intrablack relationships. Shirking dad duty? We would not let kids starve, that’s inhumane, but they can be placed on permanent birth control, rendering paternal shirking unfit in an evolutionary sense.

    Kumbaya, everyone gets along is not really compatible with human natures. When ideas are outlawed, only outlaws will have ideas.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jack D

    “Something like 15% of Harvard admits are black.”

    But usually maybe 8% of Harvard’s freshmen are black. Even Harvard’s yield of black acceptees is low. Good enough blacks are in such high demand that HYPS compete hard against each other for the top black students. That’s why you hear about black kids getting into all eight Ivy League college but not anybody else. The top 2 dozen colleges used to get together each year to more or less draft students so they wouldn’t compete against each other. Supposedly they don’t do that anymore, but they still seem to have ways so they don’t compete too hard … except for blacks.

    • Replies: @Rob
    @Steve Sailer

    I’ve heard that there’s something of a lottery effect, especially for white guys. Like, 4.x GPA 1450 SAT has (making up a number) 30% chance of admission to each Ivy. His chance of not being admitted to all of them is (1-.3)^8 = roughly 6%. But maybe he does not apply to all 8? Not to mention, Brown might by Ivy League, but it ain’t HYP.

    Plus, because so many students get an 800 on at least one section in all the n times they take the SAT. Once upon a time, if you were in the top 3 or 4 most intelligent high school seniors, you could be a normal teenager in small-town Idaho, then get your 1600 and have a very good shot at Harvard. Today, thousands of other people got 1600! You have to run the upper-middle-class+ course of honors. AP, extracurriculars, 2-3 season athlete, maybe the school play (hope for a lead!) If you are a boy, they will probably let a “B” you got in sophomore year slide. Probably. Girls need straight As. The revamped SAT is intentionally built so you can prep! One wonders if the owners of ETS have diversified into ownership of Kaplan’s. So even smart kids have to practice filling in bubbles. Would not surprise me if there were not thousands or more Asians every year who memorized every antonym pair of the previous 5 years of SATs. See EducationRealists assessment of Asian intelligence and test scores. Maybe zee is just biased, but I’ve met some high-scoring Asians who were not very bright.

    In the sciences, you have to compete against the strivers (Asian and not) who memorized the textbook but cannot generate a hypothesis or apply a technique to a novel sort of problem. Or create a new technique.

    David Liu is an exception to the uncreative Asian grind stereotype. Do you know how they can apply Darwinian evolution to proteins, peptides, and oligonucleotides in vitro? Create a bunch of molecules with randomized regions, link genotype to phenotype, run them through a column or inject them into an animal, then take the ones that bound, amplify the linked gene, and repeat a few times. Well, aptamers and proteins ate nice and all, but they don’t last very long as drugs. They mostly have to be injected or infused. Well, Liu developed tech that he could use in vitro selection to find small molecule drugs! Here is his page about it. DNA-Templated Synthesis & DNA-Encoded Libraries

    How many David Lius don’t get into the best labs because grinds are clogging everything up? He had to get 2nd in the Westinghouse Science Talent Search. I don’t think it’s possible to do that and have a normal childhood. Not to mention, back then Westinghouse probably looked for the budding scientists with the most potential. Do you think they do that today when Black Lives Matter?

    No, I am sure that at least one of the top two slots is for Zaila Avant-Garde or some other black girl who might have been a better scientist than you or I, but is by no means going to revolutionize anything. Unless she’s the diversity mascot that everyone has to have. Gotta please the gods of diversity. I could not find a list of the now Regeneron Science Talent Search winners, so color me suspicious. Though maybe they are trying to hide that mostly Asians win?

    If Asians have an IQ advantage, undiverse countries, and solidly based economies, and are as scientifically and technically creative as whites... We have, um, democracy and Black Lives Mattering, I guess? We don’t even have an infrastructure advantage, as the new Americans are not productive enough to finance it.

    The Soviets did not lash out with nuclear weapons when their days were over. I really hope we don’t, either.

    Replies: @ic1000

    , @ic1000
    @Steve Sailer

    > But usually maybe 8% of Harvard’s freshmen are black.

    Sure, but as you have noted, how many are paper-bag-test-failing Descendants of American Slaves? 1%? 0.1%?

    The difference being made up of first-generation Igbos and Barbadians, and white-mom black-dad mixed race African-Americans from intact middle/upper-class families.

    Average black Americans don't seem to have a problem with their kids being effectively cheated out of their non-quota quota spots. So I guess it's okay.

    I'm always charmed by the family of proudly Black woke-adjacent corporate newshound Lester Holt.

    Here are his African-American sons.
    https://www.closerweekly.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/lester-holts-kids-meet-sons-stefan-cameron-with-wife-carol.jpg
    And two of his African-American grandchildren on Instagram.

  88. @AnotherDad
    @Harry Baldwin


    The largest mass murder was the bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City that killed 168 people, perpetrated by two individuals, Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols. An enormous amount of preparation went into that one.
     
    I think 9-11 beats even that one.

    Allowing a bunch of people from a hostile civilization into your nation. Not a great idea.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Tony massey, @Wokechoke

    I have an alternative theory about McVeighs motive. He was motivated to white Knight for multiracial cult made up of significant numbers of Africans and Afrocaribean adherents. Branch Davidians were a fully integrated black and white cult. Come and see the exact identities of the dead at Waco. Mcveigh was no white supremacist. Indeed he turned on the state after seeing Arabs from Iraq getting decimated by Desert Storm. His motives were explained by Gore Vidal in some detail.

    • Replies: @Tony massey
    @Wokechoke

    Not Togo into the details but imo hackworth who actually interviewed him prolly was closest to the reality.
    Moar likely than not the ok city bomber was thinking along those lines when he was babysitting.

  89. @PaceLaw
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Why did Dylan Roof shoot up a black church? I recall reading his “manifesto“ and it was his specific intent to start a race war. He even said that the KKK was now useless (quite unlike how the media portrays the KKK) so he felt that he needed to go on his own and carry out the attack. He wanted to do something so extreme and shocking that it would trigger tit-for-tat retaliation between the races. I am mildly surprised that there was no actual retaliation for the church massacre.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Wokechoke

    Roof triggered a few systematic retaliatory trends.

  90. @Jay Fink
    @PaceLaw

    If I understand Christianity correctly can't anyone, including murderers, avoid hell if they find Jesus before they die? Jesus died for their sins. I'm not a fan of this. I would prefer a religion that focuses on sin. One that is extremely judgemental towards criminals and preaches about how they are going to hell. The problem is no religion is unforgiving of bad people. The secular world is all the more loving towards them. No one is against them. No wonder we have so much crime.

    Replies: @PaceLaw

    Ah, but alas, Christianity does focus on sin. The Bible clearly states that unrepentant sinners, such as murderers and criminals will go to hell. You are correct that even a repentant murderer who accepts Jesus as savior will then go to heaven. That’s a marvelous offer for us sinners.

    • Thanks: Jay Fink
  91. @Steve Sailer
    @Observer49

    Of the big four 2016-2019 massacres mentioned by the four authors, one was directly anti-religious at a church in Sutherland Springs.

    But mostly I think it's due to the lessening qualms about going out with a bang articulated by Hamlet when he thinks about killing himself:

    To sleep, perchance to dream—ay, there's the rub:
    For in that sleep of death what dreams may come,
    When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
    Must give us pause ...
    Who would fardels bear,
    To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
    But that the dread of something after death,
    The undiscovere'd country, from whose bourn
    No traveller returns, puzzles the will,
    And makes us rather bear those ills we have
    Than fly to others that we know not of?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Romanian, @Harry Baldwin, @martin_2, @SunBakedSuburb, @JimDandy

  92. @Wokechoke
    @AnotherDad

    I have an alternative theory about McVeighs motive. He was motivated to white Knight for multiracial cult made up of significant numbers of Africans and Afrocaribean adherents. Branch Davidians were a fully integrated black and white cult. Come and see the exact identities of the dead at Waco. Mcveigh was no white supremacist. Indeed he turned on the state after seeing Arabs from Iraq getting decimated by Desert Storm. His motives were explained by Gore Vidal in some detail.

    Replies: @Tony massey

    Not Togo into the details but imo hackworth who actually interviewed him prolly was closest to the reality.
    Moar likely than not the ok city bomber was thinking along those lines when he was babysitting.

  93. @Steve Sailer
    @Rob

    "Something like 15% of Harvard admits are black."

    But usually maybe 8% of Harvard's freshmen are black. Even Harvard's yield of black acceptees is low. Good enough blacks are in such high demand that HYPS compete hard against each other for the top black students. That's why you hear about black kids getting into all eight Ivy League college but not anybody else. The top 2 dozen colleges used to get together each year to more or less draft students so they wouldn't compete against each other. Supposedly they don't do that anymore, but they still seem to have ways so they don't compete too hard ... except for blacks.

    Replies: @Rob, @ic1000

    I’ve heard that there’s something of a lottery effect, especially for white guys. Like, 4.x GPA 1450 SAT has (making up a number) 30% chance of admission to each Ivy. His chance of not being admitted to all of them is (1-.3)^8 = roughly 6%. But maybe he does not apply to all 8? Not to mention, Brown might by Ivy League, but it ain’t HYP.

    Plus, because so many students get an 800 on at least one section in all the n times they take the SAT. Once upon a time, if you were in the top 3 or 4 most intelligent high school seniors, you could be a normal teenager in small-town Idaho, then get your 1600 and have a very good shot at Harvard. Today, thousands of other people got 1600! You have to run the upper-middle-class+ course of honors. AP, extracurriculars, 2-3 season athlete, maybe the school play (hope for a lead!) If you are a boy, they will probably let a “B” you got in sophomore year slide. Probably. Girls need straight As. The revamped SAT is intentionally built so you can prep! One wonders if the owners of ETS have diversified into ownership of Kaplan’s. So even smart kids have to practice filling in bubbles. Would not surprise me if there were not thousands or more Asians every year who memorized every antonym pair of the previous 5 years of SATs. See EducationRealists assessment of Asian intelligence and test scores. Maybe zee is just biased, but I’ve met some high-scoring Asians who were not very bright.

    In the sciences, you have to compete against the strivers (Asian and not) who memorized the textbook but cannot generate a hypothesis or apply a technique to a novel sort of problem. Or create a new technique.

    David Liu is an exception to the uncreative Asian grind stereotype. Do you know how they can apply Darwinian evolution to proteins, peptides, and oligonucleotides in vitro? Create a bunch of molecules with randomized regions, link genotype to phenotype, run them through a column or inject them into an animal, then take the ones that bound, amplify the linked gene, and repeat a few times. Well, aptamers and proteins ate nice and all, but they don’t last very long as drugs. They mostly have to be injected or infused. Well, Liu developed tech that he could use in vitro selection to find small molecule drugs! Here is his page about it. DNA-Templated Synthesis & DNA-Encoded Libraries

    [MORE]

    How many David Lius don’t get into the best labs because grinds are clogging everything up? He had to get 2nd in the Westinghouse Science Talent Search. I don’t think it’s possible to do that and have a normal childhood. Not to mention, back then Westinghouse probably looked for the budding scientists with the most potential. Do you think they do that today when Black Lives Matter?

    No, I am sure that at least one of the top two slots is for Zaila Avant-Garde or some other black girl who might have been a better scientist than you or I, but is by no means going to revolutionize anything. Unless she’s the diversity mascot that everyone has to have. Gotta please the gods of diversity. I could not find a list of the now Regeneron Science Talent Search winners, so color me suspicious. Though maybe they are trying to hide that mostly Asians win?

    If Asians have an IQ advantage, undiverse countries, and solidly based economies, and are as scientifically and technically creative as whites… We have, um, democracy and Black Lives Mattering, I guess? We don’t even have an infrastructure advantage, as the new Americans are not productive enough to finance it.

    The Soviets did not lash out with nuclear weapons when their days were over. I really hope we don’t, either.

    • Replies: @ic1000
    @Rob

    > I’ve heard that there’s something of a lottery effect, especially for white guys. Like, 4.x GPA 1450 1500 SAT has (making up a number) 30% chance of admission to each Ivy.

    More like 10%.

    His chance of not being admitted to all of them would be 1-(10%^8) = 99.999999%
    His chance of being admitted to any of them would be 1-(90%^8) = 57%

    But it doesn't work that way. For white guys lacking athletic, legacy, celebrity, or money privilege, 4.x and 1500 is the qualifying round. If that's all you've got, your odds are much lower than 10%. (But still much higher than Fancy Asian guy odds.)

    Viral Youtube of violin solo during ascent of K2? First author of peer-reviewed paper? Featured in the Times as the creator of a needle-exchange program? Social media proof of allyship by bravely providing first aid at the mostly peaceful BLM and/or LGBTQ protest?

    Now we can talk.

  94. @Steve Sailer
    @Rob

    "Something like 15% of Harvard admits are black."

    But usually maybe 8% of Harvard's freshmen are black. Even Harvard's yield of black acceptees is low. Good enough blacks are in such high demand that HYPS compete hard against each other for the top black students. That's why you hear about black kids getting into all eight Ivy League college but not anybody else. The top 2 dozen colleges used to get together each year to more or less draft students so they wouldn't compete against each other. Supposedly they don't do that anymore, but they still seem to have ways so they don't compete too hard ... except for blacks.

    Replies: @Rob, @ic1000

    > But usually maybe 8% of Harvard’s freshmen are black.

    Sure, but as you have noted, how many are paper-bag-test-failing Descendants of American Slaves? 1%? 0.1%?

    The difference being made up of first-generation Igbos and Barbadians, and white-mom black-dad mixed race African-Americans from intact middle/upper-class families.

    Average black Americans don’t seem to have a problem with their kids being effectively cheated out of their non-quota quota spots. So I guess it’s okay.

    [MORE]

    I’m always charmed by the family of proudly Black woke-adjacent corporate newshound Lester Holt.

    Here are his African-American sons.And two of his African-American grandchildren on Instagram.

  95. @Rob
    @Steve Sailer

    I’ve heard that there’s something of a lottery effect, especially for white guys. Like, 4.x GPA 1450 SAT has (making up a number) 30% chance of admission to each Ivy. His chance of not being admitted to all of them is (1-.3)^8 = roughly 6%. But maybe he does not apply to all 8? Not to mention, Brown might by Ivy League, but it ain’t HYP.

    Plus, because so many students get an 800 on at least one section in all the n times they take the SAT. Once upon a time, if you were in the top 3 or 4 most intelligent high school seniors, you could be a normal teenager in small-town Idaho, then get your 1600 and have a very good shot at Harvard. Today, thousands of other people got 1600! You have to run the upper-middle-class+ course of honors. AP, extracurriculars, 2-3 season athlete, maybe the school play (hope for a lead!) If you are a boy, they will probably let a “B” you got in sophomore year slide. Probably. Girls need straight As. The revamped SAT is intentionally built so you can prep! One wonders if the owners of ETS have diversified into ownership of Kaplan’s. So even smart kids have to practice filling in bubbles. Would not surprise me if there were not thousands or more Asians every year who memorized every antonym pair of the previous 5 years of SATs. See EducationRealists assessment of Asian intelligence and test scores. Maybe zee is just biased, but I’ve met some high-scoring Asians who were not very bright.

    In the sciences, you have to compete against the strivers (Asian and not) who memorized the textbook but cannot generate a hypothesis or apply a technique to a novel sort of problem. Or create a new technique.

    David Liu is an exception to the uncreative Asian grind stereotype. Do you know how they can apply Darwinian evolution to proteins, peptides, and oligonucleotides in vitro? Create a bunch of molecules with randomized regions, link genotype to phenotype, run them through a column or inject them into an animal, then take the ones that bound, amplify the linked gene, and repeat a few times. Well, aptamers and proteins ate nice and all, but they don’t last very long as drugs. They mostly have to be injected or infused. Well, Liu developed tech that he could use in vitro selection to find small molecule drugs! Here is his page about it. DNA-Templated Synthesis & DNA-Encoded Libraries

    How many David Lius don’t get into the best labs because grinds are clogging everything up? He had to get 2nd in the Westinghouse Science Talent Search. I don’t think it’s possible to do that and have a normal childhood. Not to mention, back then Westinghouse probably looked for the budding scientists with the most potential. Do you think they do that today when Black Lives Matter?

    No, I am sure that at least one of the top two slots is for Zaila Avant-Garde or some other black girl who might have been a better scientist than you or I, but is by no means going to revolutionize anything. Unless she’s the diversity mascot that everyone has to have. Gotta please the gods of diversity. I could not find a list of the now Regeneron Science Talent Search winners, so color me suspicious. Though maybe they are trying to hide that mostly Asians win?

    If Asians have an IQ advantage, undiverse countries, and solidly based economies, and are as scientifically and technically creative as whites... We have, um, democracy and Black Lives Mattering, I guess? We don’t even have an infrastructure advantage, as the new Americans are not productive enough to finance it.

    The Soviets did not lash out with nuclear weapons when their days were over. I really hope we don’t, either.

    Replies: @ic1000

    > I’ve heard that there’s something of a lottery effect, especially for white guys. Like, 4.x GPA 1450 1500 SAT has (making up a number) 30% chance of admission to each Ivy.

    More like 10%.

    His chance of not being admitted to all of them would be 1-(10%^8) = 99.999999%
    His chance of being admitted to any of them would be 1-(90%^8) = 57%

    But it doesn’t work that way. For white guys lacking athletic, legacy, celebrity, or money privilege, 4.x and 1500 is the qualifying round. If that’s all you’ve got, your odds are much lower than 10%. (But still much higher than Fancy Asian guy odds.)

    Viral Youtube of violin solo during ascent of K2? First author of peer-reviewed paper? Featured in the Times as the creator of a needle-exchange program? Social media proof of allyship by bravely providing first aid at the mostly peaceful BLM and/or LGBTQ protest?

    Now we can talk.

  96. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Muggles

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4274585/

    Racial disparities in psychotic disorder diagnosis: A review of empirical literature

    This literature review provides an updated and comprehensive summary of empirical research on race and diagnosis of psychotic disorders spanning a 24-year period. Findings reveal a clear and pervasive pattern wherein African American/Black consumers show a rate of on average three to four higher than Euro-American/White consumers. Latino American/Hispanic consumers were also disproportionately diagnosed with psychotic disorders on average approximately three times higher compared to Euro-American/White consumers.

    https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/health/mental-health/adults-experiencing-a-psychotic-disorder/latest

    Psychotic disorders


    1. Main facts and figures

    * in 2014, a higher percentage of Black men than White men had experienced a psychotic disorder in the year before they were surveyed

    * there were no other meaningful differences between ethnic groups in people having experienced a psychotic disorder

    https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/the-british-journal-of-psychiatry/article/understanding-the-excess-of-psychosis-among-the-africancaribbean-population-in-england/37A85E99A5907554E3B18CC01448CC9C

    Understanding the excess of psychosis among the African-Caribbean population in England

    Abstract
    Background

    Increased rates of schizophrenia continue to be reported among the African–Caribbean population in England.

    Aims

    To evaluate the competing biological, psychological and social explanations that have been proposed.

    Method

    Literature review.

    Results

    The African–Caribbean population in England is at increased risk of both schizophrenia and mania; the higher rates remain when operational diagnostic criteria are used. The excess of the two psychotic disorders are probably linked: African–Caribbean patients with schizophrenia show more affective symptoms, and a more relapsing course with greater social disruption but fewer chronic negative symptoms, than White patients. No simple hypothesis explains these findings.

    Conclusions

    More complex hypotheses are needed. One such links cultural variation in symptom reporting, the use of phenomenological constructs by psychiatrists and social disadvantage.

    Replies: @Muggles

    Yes, I figured you might dig up something like this.

    Fine.

    But these conclusions appear to be largely based on UK studies. So, apples and oranges.

    Also, the major point in my original comment was that it isn’t proven that most “mass murders” are the result of clinically categorized “psychotic” individuals who are acting out on those particular group of traits.

    If American blacks (Blacks!) are a higher percentage of “psychos” as you called them, then some small percentage of US mass murders might be the result of that correlation.

    But relatively few “psychotic” individuals are violent. Most of those traits have nothing to do with committing violence. Only the lack of concern over the consequences of their acts.

    Other reasons for mass murder are: beefs between criminals/groups, grievances/grudges which become the central focus of ones’ life, ideological/religious causes which small factions escalate into “terror”, outright crime – eliminating witnesses, collecting debts, killing competitors, and doubtless other rationales. It is unproven as to whether POC are motivated in higher percentages than Whites under these other causes.

    Lack of impulse control, for instance, isn’t necessarily related to race. Or if it is, as yet unproven.

    I’m not saying going to informal rap concerts at midnight isn’t more dangerous than a midnight Country&Western jamboree at the Bullrider Bar & Grill. Maybe so. But prisons are full of very dangerous white people (White!) and relatively few blacks become “serial killers” over decades.

    Maybe in 100 years criminologists will be allowed to study this scientifically.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Muggles


    prisons are full of very dangerous white people (White!)
     
    There are 5 or 6 white people for every black person but blacks are incarcerated 5x more frequently than whites, so prisons are about 50/50 nationally.

    and relatively few blacks become “serial killers” over decades.
     
    Not true, again keeping in mind that blacks are only 13% of the population, they are overrepresented in every type of crime including serial killing.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

  97. @Rob
    @stillCARealist

    Self-identifying as another race is great jiu-jitsu. There are elite “blacks” who really do not want to have 23$Me test results adjudicate blackness. The courts have been extremely leery of setting “blood quantum” or phenotype requirements to qualify as a minority. I’m pretty sure blacks don’t want anyone, especially whites measuring the width of their noses, or the kinkiness of their hair... Given that race is a social construct just like gender, there is no argument against transracialism beyond point-’n’-sputter and speaking power to truth that does not apply in spades to transgendered.

    If race is a social construct, not recognition of group differences with iffy edge cases and what-about-’ims that consume lots of time on some racialist forums, then self-IDing as another race, multiple races, or post-racial panmictic melange qualifying for every quota and being the kwisatz haderach to boot is totally kosher. I don’t “dress black”? Well, Mr Race-Investigator, how do blacks dress? All of them?”

    The best part of the jiu-jitsu is that they cannot effectively complain about it without admitting that the diversity boosts for NAMs in college admissions are not “tie-breakers” for nearly equally qualified applicants. There are schools where every white student did better on the SAT than every black student. This was probably more true back when the SAT was designed to measure aptitude and be hard to game, Taking out “development” admits (donors) athletes (also donors) and legacies (donations yet again) there are probably a lot schools where all the merited white matriculants.

    Here’s a MORE tag for ya!

    Something like 15% of Harvard admits are black. Going by grades and test scores Harvard would be 1% black. For every black student smart enough to be there, there are fourteen more! If you pretend to be black, your odds of going to Harvard go up considerably. I wonder if admissions departments are like, “black male with 4.7 GPA and 1550 SAT? Let’s get a photo...” Or do they just appreciate the Liz Warren-style diversity boost? There’s a black board, space, whatever they are called for blacks on Reddit, think I read about it here, actually. They require you to submit a photo of your arm with your screen name written on it. That arm had better be black! Do colleges do this with matriculants? Does anyone have inside information?

    Anyway, SJWs could only have a problem with whites self-identifying as minorities if there are benefits to being in whichever minority pool they are attempting to swim in. I believe someone got Ibram ex-Kendi to admit that there is a heavy thumb on the scale for admitting blacks into college. He deleted the tweet when realized what he had said. If there are no benefits from being a minority, them white people playing black is no different than someone who is maybe 1/16th Dutch starting a club where lots of people with questionable levels of Dutch ancestry wear wooden shoes and pretend they speak Dutch. “Watt nau? Nicht ein fingerpoken in mein lookenpeepers!”

    SJWs, BLMers, the successor ideology believers as a whole cannot admit that there are already heavy benefits to being in the black or whatever pool for college. Ex-Kendi said, “the remedy for past discrimination is present discrimination [against whites]” or somesuch. We’ve had roughly 1965 to today of AA and heavily propagandizing white schoolchildren.” I remember the third or so grade teacher in a small military town in Southern Illinois, where the school had field trips to the Catholic Church. Where we dang endless patriotic songs.., the teacher practically screaming at us that whites did not colonize the world because we are better or smarter. We did it with Chinese technology... The school had some black kids bussed in, or maybe there was a micro-ghetto in town. Behavioral and cognitive differences were something I noticed at eight or nine. I could not understand why adults could not see them!

    They were serious about trying to make us anti-racists back then in the extremely conservative Midwest. They tied it to patriotic values like fairness and equality of opportunity. They really wanted blacks to be part of mainstream America. Of course, expecting blacks to adopt white “American” culture is now recognized as white supremacism. Today, blacks are perfect as they are, and we know racism makes them dumb and violent. They are correct in not recognizing “white” laws.

    But the anti-racist propaganda mostly worked! Especially on girls, who learn more in school on average and conform to adult expectations earlier than boys. Most racists feel really bad about being racist. I do! It sucks that blacks are so hostile to society that I have racist thoughts about them. Blacks make me feel racist, which makes me feel bad. I blame black people for this. Yet another negative thing about blacks!

    The big difference between liberal and normiecons on race is the level of accommodation and tolerance of behavioral differences. Liberals try to accept blacks as they are, though most expect that they’ll join white society eventually, once they see how superior our culture is. Normiecons expect blacks to conform to white culture right out of the gate. Both groups think being racist is horrible. Only dissidents and the shattered and demoralized alt-right realize that blacks will pool at the bottom of society because of cognitive and behavioral differences, a lot of which is genetic.

    Where dissidents differ is what to do. AnotherDad wants separate nations. I want reservations for blacks like the Indians, the other primitive people greatly inconvenienced by British colonists, live on. A place where they make their own rules with whatever political and social system they want, but backstopped by the government so they don’t start eating people again. Yeah, I know, different Indians. But were will the black (+ SJW?) nation be? Do we lose some Southern states to an attempt at Wakanda? Do all the blacks who don’t want to live under American norms move there? Who gets to choose who lives where? A reasonable “separate nations” scenario is Whitopia, Wakanda, and Diversimania, with the Hispanics either living in Diversimania or going home. What would the map look like? One map puts Wakanda in the heavily black deep South, right? Mississippi, Alabama, and whatever else, right? Or, if the minoritarians decide they all want to live in a big, diverse, polycultural Ottomania, perhaps blacks in the South are relocated to the North? The South and Midwestern states become Whitopia. Maybe the further west midwest, like Idaho also joins Whitopia? The Northeast and Mid-Atlantic become Diversimania. Perhaps California and the Blue parts of Oregon and Washington become a separate Diversimania, but in español? There are probably a lot of whites in blue areas who would prefer Whitopia to Diversimania, so there might be an exodus of socially liberal, educated whites from Diversimania.

    Does anyone have defensible borders? In Europe, ethnics tended to absorb and expand to natural borders. Maybe defensible borders are not a real thing in a world of cruise missiles and stealth bombers? How to move people who do not want to move? Pretty much anyway is a crime against humanity. Do all the nations end up with large, more or less hostile, and unassimilable minorities?

    More likely than real separation would be a millet system like the Ottomans had. Different ethnies live under their own rules. The only “public square” laws would be for interactions between members of different communities. As a first step, lightening up law enforcement in black ghettoes. They don’t want it. It costs a fortune, both directly and the cost of warehousing so many blacks in prison. Blacks don’t really respect white laws, cops, DAs, and judges. Let them work out how they want to live given their different nature. Enlightenment values are great for Northwestern Europeans. Science, reason, these things fit our nature. We thrived on them for centuries. I don’t know what system and philosophies will make blacks thrive. Perhaps none will.

    Another option for blacks is panopticon and prison-lite. Well-meaning whites in charge of a “prison” system, but not one built to punish. Instead, this system would include both men and women. Well-meaning whites and perhaps smarter blacks would decide where they lived, enforce monogamy to the best of their abilities. Ensure that “hustling” was difficult and unprofitable. Require black men to support their children. Have “the hole” for residents who cannot conform to the rules. This situation would not be punitive, but it would be restrictive. Guns would be banned. Black men’s pride and responses to “disses” could be channeled away from driving-by and into duels. Only the two men involved can get killed. Duels would probably have to be to the death. Medical expenses of 10% of the black men needing regular dialysis because they had a kidney stabbed out would be too expensive. Work would be required. While the private sector has little use for workers with 75 IQ, in prison most prisoners work. Prison-lite could use the methods of punitive prisons to get dumb, temperamental men to do productive labor. As this situation is not intended to be punitive, men and women would live together, in whatever arrangements they chose for themselves. We have paternity testing now, so we can assign upkeep to the sperm donor regardless of women’s behavior. Paternal certainty might improve intrablack relationships. Shirking dad duty? We would not let kids starve, that’s inhumane, but they can be placed on permanent birth control, rendering paternal shirking unfit in an evolutionary sense.

    Kumbaya, everyone gets along is not really compatible with human natures. When ideas are outlawed, only outlaws will have ideas.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jack D

    Or do they just appreciate the Liz Warren-style diversity boost?

    I think mostly the latter, although you have to have some plausible deniability – you have to be blackISH at least.

    I will give you an example. In her 1st semester at MIT, my daughter very excitedly told me that she had a black friend who was very intelligent and proved that I was just a dirty old racist for saying that blacks are usually less intelligent than whites. Later I had a chance to meet this fellow. It turned out that his mother had been from the light skinned Haitian elite and his father was a Frenchman. At some point when he was quite young his mother took off and he had been raised (in the US) by his very strict and doting French father who was some sort of business executive. Maybe in Greenwich, CT or someplace like that – I forget. If you squinted really hard, you could tell that this fellow was “black” – I’d say about 1/8 black, genetically. Culturally he was 0% black and had 0% ADOS blood. But for MIT, he was “black”.

    More recently, she told me about one of her “black” professors in her Ivy League PhD engineering program. It turns out that this fellow is from Jamaica and he looks Donald Harris’s (Kamala’s dad) brother. Again maybe 1/4 black.

    Ivies and similar places just LOVE clean well behaved Obama type blacks. They need less tutoring and cause less problems (fewer raped coeds) than ADOS blacks, who are mostly on the sports teams. Just taking care of the black athletes alone is a handful – they don’t need more problems. A blackish black counts as part of the 15% black total just as much so good enough. Even if they WANTED real blacks there aren’t enough of them who could make it thru the curriculum. Maf is hard. They are going to spot (non-athlete) blacks maybe 100 SAT points/section but that mean (at MIT) that the average black has 700 Math rather than 800 and there are only a few hundred blacks in the entire country who score above 700 math ( vs tens of thousands of Asians).

    But OTOH if your name is Kyle Rittenhouse and you are from rural Iowa and you claim to be black and you don’t have a lot of “black” stuff listed on your application, you can be sure that they are going to be asking questions and not just accept your check the box and if you show up with blond hair and blue eyes it’s gonna be a problem.

    • Agree: ic1000
    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    @Jack D

    Kyle Rittenhouse? You mean that white guy who actually could pass for a person of color?

    Not much is revealed about his racial ancestry -- would some heads explode with the counter-Narrative contradiction?

    Replies: @Jack D

  98. @Muggles
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Yes, I figured you might dig up something like this.

    Fine.

    But these conclusions appear to be largely based on UK studies. So, apples and oranges.

    Also, the major point in my original comment was that it isn't proven that most "mass murders" are the result of clinically categorized "psychotic" individuals who are acting out on those particular group of traits.

    If American blacks (Blacks!) are a higher percentage of "psychos" as you called them, then some small percentage of US mass murders might be the result of that correlation.

    But relatively few "psychotic" individuals are violent. Most of those traits have nothing to do with committing violence. Only the lack of concern over the consequences of their acts.

    Other reasons for mass murder are: beefs between criminals/groups, grievances/grudges which become the central focus of ones' life, ideological/religious causes which small factions escalate into "terror", outright crime - eliminating witnesses, collecting debts, killing competitors, and doubtless other rationales. It is unproven as to whether POC are motivated in higher percentages than Whites under these other causes.

    Lack of impulse control, for instance, isn't necessarily related to race. Or if it is, as yet unproven.

    I'm not saying going to informal rap concerts at midnight isn't more dangerous than a midnight Country&Western jamboree at the Bullrider Bar & Grill. Maybe so. But prisons are full of very dangerous white people (White!) and relatively few blacks become "serial killers" over decades.

    Maybe in 100 years criminologists will be allowed to study this scientifically.

    Replies: @Jack D

    prisons are full of very dangerous white people (White!)

    There are 5 or 6 white people for every black person but blacks are incarcerated 5x more frequently than whites, so prisons are about 50/50 nationally.

    and relatively few blacks become “serial killers” over decades.

    Not true, again keeping in mind that blacks are only 13% of the population, they are overrepresented in every type of crime including serial killing.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Jack D

    Blacks are in the 20th C ca. 25% of serial killers in the US.

    For a few other racial differences: https://qr.ae/pGqKio

    Replies: @Jack D

  99. @Jack D
    @Rob


    Or do they just appreciate the Liz Warren-style diversity boost?
     
    I think mostly the latter, although you have to have some plausible deniability - you have to be blackISH at least.

    I will give you an example. In her 1st semester at MIT, my daughter very excitedly told me that she had a black friend who was very intelligent and proved that I was just a dirty old racist for saying that blacks are usually less intelligent than whites. Later I had a chance to meet this fellow. It turned out that his mother had been from the light skinned Haitian elite and his father was a Frenchman. At some point when he was quite young his mother took off and he had been raised (in the US) by his very strict and doting French father who was some sort of business executive. Maybe in Greenwich, CT or someplace like that - I forget. If you squinted really hard, you could tell that this fellow was "black" - I'd say about 1/8 black, genetically. Culturally he was 0% black and had 0% ADOS blood. But for MIT, he was "black".

    More recently, she told me about one of her "black" professors in her Ivy League PhD engineering program. It turns out that this fellow is from Jamaica and he looks Donald Harris's (Kamala's dad) brother. Again maybe 1/4 black.

    Ivies and similar places just LOVE clean well behaved Obama type blacks. They need less tutoring and cause less problems (fewer raped coeds) than ADOS blacks, who are mostly on the sports teams. Just taking care of the black athletes alone is a handful - they don't need more problems. A blackish black counts as part of the 15% black total just as much so good enough. Even if they WANTED real blacks there aren't enough of them who could make it thru the curriculum. Maf is hard. They are going to spot (non-athlete) blacks maybe 100 SAT points/section but that mean (at MIT) that the average black has 700 Math rather than 800 and there are only a few hundred blacks in the entire country who score above 700 math ( vs tens of thousands of Asians).

    But OTOH if your name is Kyle Rittenhouse and you are from rural Iowa and you claim to be black and you don't have a lot of "black" stuff listed on your application, you can be sure that they are going to be asking questions and not just accept your check the box and if you show up with blond hair and blue eyes it's gonna be a problem.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind

    Kyle Rittenhouse? You mean that white guy who actually could pass for a person of color?

    Not much is revealed about his racial ancestry — would some heads explode with the counter-Narrative contradiction?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Inquiring Mind

    OK, then Tom Smith or whatever. The point is Harvard ain't gonna like it if you check the black box and you show up on campus and you're just some generic white dude. You gotta be at least a LEETLE bit black looking. Like Maya Rudolph black is OK, even if you do have freckles.

    I don't know anything about the genetics of the actual Kyle Rittenhouse but he sure looks like a generic white dude to me. If he was a "white Hispanic" like Zimmerman we would have heard by now, I think. If a white cop had shot Zimmerman, he would have been Latino but since he killed someone with more Diversity Pokemon points he got promoted to white. For applying to college purposes I think he could have gone with Latino although it would be better to hyphenate his name - Jorge Mesa Zimmerman. He could have gotten away with it.

  100. @Inquiring Mind
    @Jack D

    Kyle Rittenhouse? You mean that white guy who actually could pass for a person of color?

    Not much is revealed about his racial ancestry -- would some heads explode with the counter-Narrative contradiction?

    Replies: @Jack D

    OK, then Tom Smith or whatever. The point is Harvard ain’t gonna like it if you check the black box and you show up on campus and you’re just some generic white dude. You gotta be at least a LEETLE bit black looking. Like Maya Rudolph black is OK, even if you do have freckles.

    I don’t know anything about the genetics of the actual Kyle Rittenhouse but he sure looks like a generic white dude to me. If he was a “white Hispanic” like Zimmerman we would have heard by now, I think. If a white cop had shot Zimmerman, he would have been Latino but since he killed someone with more Diversity Pokemon points he got promoted to white. For applying to college purposes I think he could have gone with Latino although it would be better to hyphenate his name – Jorge Mesa Zimmerman. He could have gotten away with it.

  101. @dearieme
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Why not kill the “right” people?

    I often ask myself why the insane kill harmless school children when there are lots of people around they could usefully kill instead. I suspect the question answers itself: they are insane.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Mike Tre, @Bardon Kaldian, @Paperback Writer, @Anonymous

    Travis Bickle was nuts, but still sane enough to realize that killing a bunch of sleazy pimps would look better in the newspapers than killing a popular politician.

  102. @Jack D
    @Muggles


    prisons are full of very dangerous white people (White!)
     
    There are 5 or 6 white people for every black person but blacks are incarcerated 5x more frequently than whites, so prisons are about 50/50 nationally.

    and relatively few blacks become “serial killers” over decades.
     
    Not true, again keeping in mind that blacks are only 13% of the population, they are overrepresented in every type of crime including serial killing.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    Blacks are in the 20th C ca. 25% of serial killers in the US.

    For a few other racial differences: https://qr.ae/pGqKio

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Bardon Kaldian

    The reason (besides MSM lying) that it seems like "relatively few" blacks are serial killers is that they commit maybe half of all murders overall, so "only" being 1 out of 4 serial killers (still twice their population share) seems "relatively" good by comparison.

  103. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Arclight

    Without backing my claims with any scientific research, I would say:

    1. Asians- real Asians; the Chinese, Japanese, Mongols, ... and their cousins in the Americas- are cruel races. They invented refined methods of torture; Japanese culture is saturated with sadism & unspeakable atrocities (even their porn); Mayas & Aztecs we know about; Mongols, too; and Jared Taylor had written a good review on not-so-cultured Native Americans:https://www.unz.com/jtaylor/american-settlers-meet-spartans/
    .......................
    No Indians elicited less sympathy from frontier citizenry then did the Apache. Their incessant raiding kept Arizonans in a perpetual state of turmoil. The agony they inflicted on their captives, torturing them with exquisite cruelty, nauseated people in the territory and instilled in them a burning thirst for revenge on any and all Apaches.

    2. middle East is also a cruel historical region (Egyptians, Babylonians, Assyrians especially,..) - but they're now mostly historical torturers, with the exception of Islamic psychos

    3. blacks or sub-Saharan Africans are cruel, but, I would say not in a refined, Asian way. And their type of cruelty is different- it comes from "exuberance", while in the Asian case, it is a calculated sadism. In other words, blacks are cruel as children, or low-type humans, while (east) Asians are cruel as adults, or high-type humans.

    https://halcyoninitiative.wordpress.com/2014/10/05/morality-and-abstract-thinking-how-africans-may-differ-from-westerners-from-amren-com/
    ..............................
    According to now-discredited folk wisdom, blacks are “children in adult bodies,” but there may be some foundation to this view.
    .......................................................
    Gruesome cruelty
    ......................................
    During the apartheid era, black activists used to kill traitors and enemies by “necklacing” them. An old tire was put around the victim’s neck, filled with gasoline, and—but it is best to let an eye-witness describe what happened next:

    “The petrol-filled tyre is jammed on your shoulders and a lighter is placed within reach . … Your fingers are broken, needles are pushed up your nose and you are tortured until you put the lighter to the petrol yourself.” (Citizen; “SA’s New Nazis,” August 10, 1993, p.18.)

    The author of an article in the Chicago Tribune, describing the equally gruesome way the Hutu killed Tutsi in the Burundi massacres, marveled at “the ecstasy of killing, the lust for blood; this is the most horrible thought. It’s beyond my reach.” (“Hutu Killers Danced In Blood Of Victims, Videotapes Show,” Chicago Tribune, September 14, 1995, p.8.) The lack of any moral sense is further evidenced by their having videotaped their crimes, “apparently want[ing] to record … [them] for posterity.” Unlike war criminals, who hid their deeds, these people apparently took pride in their work.

    In 1993, Amy Biehl, a 26-year-old American on a Fulbright scholarship, was living in South Africa, where she spent most of her time in black townships helping blacks. One day when she was driving three African friends home, young blacks stopped the car, dragged her out, and killed her because she was white. A retired senior South African judge, Rex van Schalkwyk, in his 1998 book One Miracle is Not Enough, quotes from a newspaper report on the trial of her killers: “Supporters of the three men accused of murdering [her] … burst out laughing in the public gallery of the Supreme Court today when a witness told how the battered woman groaned in pain.” This behavior, Van Schalkwyk wrote, “is impossible to explain in terms accessible to rational minds.” (pp. 188-89.)

    These incidents and the responses they evoke—“the human brain recoils,” “beyond my reach,” “impossible to explain to rational minds” — represent a pattern of behavior and thinking that cannot be wished away, and offer additional support for my claim that Africans are deficient in moral consciousness.

    Replies: @Thomas Covenant Unbeliever

    Did Amy Biehl’s parents hug the killers and adopt them?

  104. @Jack D
    @Isaac Nussbaum

    The common thread is that Gehenna (Hell) is a fiery place in most versions of it, but the duration is often said to vary. The Rabbis said that a sinner would be sentenced to Gehenna for no more that a year (and they would get Shabbos off). Maimonides thought that the idea of Hell as a place of eternal punishment was mostly a fairy tale to scare children and that the souls of the wicked would just be destroyed and cease to exist. But mostly, Jews don't spend a lot of time thinking about heaven and hell. The focus is on following the commandments in THIS life. No one really knows what comes next.

    Replies: @Thomas Covenant Unbeliever

    About the only thing they believe literally in the Bible is the part that says the land between the rivers belongs to them. Even though a majority refuse to live there.

  105. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Jack D

    Blacks are in the 20th C ca. 25% of serial killers in the US.

    For a few other racial differences: https://qr.ae/pGqKio

    Replies: @Jack D

    The reason (besides MSM lying) that it seems like “relatively few” blacks are serial killers is that they commit maybe half of all murders overall, so “only” being 1 out of 4 serial killers (still twice their population share) seems “relatively” good by comparison.

  106. @jb
    @Jack D

    We really need to rehabilitate the idea of eugenics somehow! It doesn't have to be state imposed sterilization of the unfit -- it would help a lot if the idea that it's a positive thing when smart, stable people have large families became popular and respectable among people who were smart and stable, rather than those people thinking they are doing the world a favor by not burdening it with their children.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Johann Ricke, @Alden

    First state sterilization of the unfit. Within 20 years, young fit, nothing special. Just normal intelligence, normal emotional stability, able to earn a living and not be dependent on the state and its nannies couples will be able to get adult careers get married but homes and raise children.

    The amount of tax money and government workers devoted to keeping the unfit alive and breeding is trillions a year.

    Hispanic family values. Hispanics overwhelm the prison and criminal courts, the welfare rolls special education and the foster home system. And we import millions more every year. To add to the Black Plague.

    Just compare the California mostly White public school test scores in 1960 with the mostly Hispanic public school test scores in 1980. Top 10 to bottom 10.

    Or any town like Newark NJ Compton Ca that went from White to black.

    All these childless MEN OF UNZ endlessly pontificating that Whites should have more children have no idea how little money and resources are left for White children after their parents are taxed to raise another generation of useless detrimental unfit to survive without life long help.

    And it’s not a matter of new bikes and cars every 2 years or expensive toys clothes and vacations. It’s a matter of food, the car that gets you to work, winter heat bills electricity and finding a home away from the ever expanding dangerous dreck.

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