Do you people EVER listen to People of Color?

As LEBRON JAMES whites are literally hunting down Black Men for racially motivated reasons

This is false equivalency to compare the Delaware shooting. One is based on head of white violence. The other is a rare occurrence

You guys are forgetting who enslaved who

Who engages in white flight and gentrification?

Who refuses to pay more taxes regulate guns teach real history and not be selfish?

Men of Color are usually interested in having romantic relations with white girls. That in and of itself proves that there is no anti white animus

The tide is turning. Just look at the demographics. Read the twitter of white girls and Justin Moss

The privilege of not learning from one’s mistakes is one of the sadder aspects of this grim story of race and (the control of the) resources (=discourses).

“Racial Revenge?”

Yes.

C’mon, gimme a hard one.

I vaguely recall being told that it is not possible for black folk to be racist, so how could this be racial revenge?

Black people can be prejudiced as hell, just like any other group of people. As a matter of fact, I think all humans are prejudiced in one way or another. But just because a black person hurt your feelings that one time doesn’t mean you’ve experienced racism.

This is where I’m going to lose some of you: I don’t believe that people of color can be racist in America.

Doyin Richards
Columnist
HuffPo

source: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/opinion-can-black-people-be-racist_n_5c3e5e8be4b01c93e00e8764?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAADcz0oGGHQjok0W-L34H-OY_T_Zm0bAAWQKptqnnpfkKkvBGbUOj3n0b-smPEwqQf9zodZixUS2560lBm8aA7MeF3WMVkcrbCT0-vGlZh2fTeVQD1lHtumaGD2tbxDK1G7SXajkGJxrx9beN8WJOBmM9RsHt4QIdhzyNDF5ySpFf

And since Whites aren’t going to do anything to assert their rights beyond voting for Trump things can carry on like this forever. Frankly I’m starting to think that BadWhites might as well give up, adopt Swedish views of what is a proper society and accept the Supremacy of the liberal Managerial State because only after Liberals achieved total victory will they be willing to consider that there could be something wrong with their policies.

Steve, I will enjoy (I usually do) reading your column soon. First, I’d just like to state that Paul Kersey, on this very website now, covers lots of these cases, including this one. His posting on this carnage does get to the point of monotony, but that’s because these black racial murders happen on a near-daily basis.

Maybe you already knew that, and this doesn’t detract from your point that in the excerpt that the national Lyin’ Press won’t mention that case in Deleware. That would provide too much perspective for the readers and viewers.

OT

The New York Times says, Yes, you need a pulse oximeter, in extremely long and detailed installment of Tara Parker-Pope’s Ask Well column.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/24/well/live/coronavirus-pulse-oximeter-oxygen.html

Most health technicians will place the device on the index fingers, but a study of 37 volunteers found that the highest reading came from the third finger on the dominant hand. A close second was the dominant thumb. So if you are right-handed, use the right middle finger. If you are left-handed, use the left middle finger. The difference between fingers is small, so if you prefer the index finger, that’s fine.

Wouldn’t the goal be not to game the thing to get a high reading, but rather to use the normal method to get a standard reading to compare to population norms?

Also, n=37 for a complicated result like “middle finger … but of dominant hand”? How many left handers were among the 37? Four?

Black on Black crime is boringly routine, and receives little attention in the media unless one or both parties happen to be celebrities.

Black on White crime is seen as a dangerous and potentially volatile storyline to be downplayed as much as possible.

White on Black crime is seen as a precious resource to be magnified and sensationalized as much as possible, i.e. “hunting Black men.”

White self defense against Black perpetrators can easily be re-cast into White on Black crime, particularly when a White policeman is involved.

The New York Times: Whites Die In Darkness

If the newsmedia ever called attention to black rage killings of whites, then whites would hazily and slowly just begin to make the connection to the twenty-four-seven calls for rage killings of whites by newsmedia, and the entertainment media, and pop music, and plebbit, and establishmentarian youtube personalities, and probably like puppets or something.
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On an evil online white radical note I like how our every move is watched, our hardware store purchases are analyzed, and every respectable voice decries imagined influence and radicalization, but meanwhile normative black men stand ready to drop everything and go werwolf if you walk past them humming the right three bars.

Things one mustn’t talk about: The negative externalities of moral preening and reality denial by “bien pensant” whites, such as a growing mountain of bullet-riddled black, white, brown and Asian corpses. After all, it’s the thought that counts.

That’s even more saturation coverage than the Times normally devotes to late-breaking developments in the Emmett Till case.

Ha! See, I knew I’d like it – lots of humor in addition to all the truth.

It made me think of how your 2 favorite media outlets might handle this:

NY Times: “There has been more speculation about the Emmett Till case just today. See The Atlantic for an expose on what kind of hemp rope Emmett Till would likely have been hanged with, had he not been shot or bashed over the head.” A link to the NY Times is embedded.

The Atlantic: “There has been additional speculation on the recent Emmett Till lynching, with today’s short article in the NY Times.” A link to the NY Times blurb above is embedded.

If they put these 2 out at the same time, it will be an infinite loop for many readers that will keep them occupied for hours. More clicks, more site visits, more page views, and hemp rope – it’s a win/win!

I gave the health technicians the middle finger. Was that wrong?

How does the media distortion matrix work?

They needn’t explicitly lie: that is, report “verifiably false” information. Rather, they achieve the exact same effect of having lied by simply selectively reporting events.

For example, say group A does one bad deed for every ten good deeds they do and group B does ten bad for every one good. And, say that the media loves group B and hates groups A.

The media, by simply choosing to ignore the good deeds of group A while focusing endless polemical coverage on their one bad deed (while doing the exact opposite with group B), can create a backwards or “upside down” perception in the public mind: that group B does much more good than group A, when the opposite is in fact true.

The media could have employed the much more naive strategy of simply fabricating false libels to demonize group A, or invent good deeds to lionize group B. But, this would make the media much more vulnerable to being accused of publishing falsehoods. Instead, they achieve the exact same effect by simply waiting around until group A eventually does something bad, and then reporting on it endlessly.

In science this is known as “sample bias.” It can get devastatingly harmful drugs approved for the treatment of diseases they don’t cure and it can render miracle drugs seemingly useless and thus unused. Needless to say, it’s an extremely dangerous error to make. Unfortunately, the media has still never gotten around to employing the kind of scientific processes that exist in medicine and the hard sciences to ensure that it creates accurate perceptions of reality in the minds of the public. This has catastrophic policy consequences in a “democracy” where the public votes based on the perception of reality that is created for them by television and the press.

On the other hand, it’s very beneficial to the monopolist billionaires who control the media to be able to steer the public to support policies which the monopolists, and their co-ethnics, themselves benefit from. It’s better to understand “democracy”, where monopoly capital controls the information and propaganda channels, as an autocracy by the media owners. That explains why policy, in the long run, almost always goes their way: policies which would have been thought of as crazy and impossible if you had informed, say, General Patton, or the men who died under his command, of their eventual implementation.

The people who run the media hate white people, and they aren’t going to stop these libels anytime soon. The people who have been told they are the victims are sadly too stupid to stop buying into whatever the media slops on their plates.

It is a pointless argument. The only thing to do is convince everyone else of the falsehoods. We can do that by pointing out obvious contradictions with real, not hypothetical, cases. Here’s a good one.

Brock Turner. If you recall the Brock Turner case, he was forcibly held against his will by two Swedes on bicycles. He was in the process of digitally penetrating a woman who at some point had lost consciousness.

Potential lessons from the eager hate mob in the media regarding Arbery are as follows:

– Just because A.A. was trespassing, you have no proof from a court of law that he did anything felonious inside the property. He could just be a curious well-wisher.

– Even if A.A. did commit a felony, citizens have no right to intervene, that is what we have police for

– A.A. had a right to use deadly force against his pursuers because they were trying to infringe on his right to bodily autonomy and free movement and may have felt threatened. This is the only explanation for excusing Arbery’s attempt to get the gun. A struggle for a weapon is always a deadly force situation.

Parallels for the Brock Turner case would go something like this:

– Just because Brock’s date was very drunk and possibly unconscious, she could have signed consent-to-have-drunk-sex forms at a previous and sober time. The Swedes had no proof from a court of law that Brock Turner was doing anything illegal. He could have been her husband and this is their kink. The Swedes had no clue.

– Even if Brock Turner kidnapped and drugged the victim who he was violently raping, the Swedes had no right to intervene. That’s what we have police for.

– At the moment the Swedes used physical force to infringe on Brock Turner’s free movement, Brock had the right to use deadly force against the cyclists because his rights were violated and he felt threatened.

Is that how the story was laid out in the media? Obviously not. The cycling Swedes were lauded as heroes. Why? Because Brock Turner is white, and Ahmoud Arbery was black.

One intrinsically fascinating aspect of the story of the Delaware kilings described above, is that it was a “six-hour firefight”

Moral questions aside, that is something technically impressive and rare to pull off, against heavily-armed police and swat teams who would soon be on the scene

For gun owners, the details of actual gunfights are hugely interesting, and educationally important for self-defense knowledge (or preparing for civil war boogaloo), contrasting heavily with the ridiculously stylised and often improbable portrayals of gun battles in Hollywood movies and television

Maybe the most spectactular street gunfight ever, was the North Hollywood bank shoot-out of 28 February 1997, with two guys holding a large army of police officers at bay, with something like about 1700 shots fired by both sides, the robbers apparently inspired by the 1995 hit film ‘Heat’

One thing you learn from real gunfights, is that it is often unrealistic, and perhaps fatal, to tell someone with a knife or gun to ‘drop it’, even from behind him, as you often can’t react fast enough to his shooting or throwing the knife, hence your best chance to survive is to shoot him immediately without giving warning

And likewise, you may well have time to draw your own gun and kill your attacker, before he can react, even tho the gun is already in his hand pointing at you

A much-better-than-usual portrayal of street gunfighting, showing the power of surprise against reaction time in an armed menace, was this superb 2-minute scene from Tom Cruise’s ‘Collateral’

First, excellent work, Mr. Sailer. I think you very slightly tilt the evidence in a couple instances, but over all you present a direct, calm and effective remonstrance to the awful propaganda of racist resentment that the major news operations put out. Today’s NYT, for example, has two op-eds about the Arbery case, one of which fantastically protests that black people are not allowed to jog in the United States, especially in “lily-white” Eugene, Oregon, where jogging supposedly originated. This is the heading and subheading on that piece: “Jogging Has Always Excluded Black People:
Born in lily-white Oregon, it’s a sport that’s long claimed to be for everyone — even as African-American joggers have been persistently subjected to harassment and worse.” The author’s name is Natalia Mehlman Petrzela.

How does TD so often get pole position on these things? I can offer a conspiracy theory if anyone wants. Which is to say, if it’s not obvious.

What a surprise … a huffpo writer knows absolutely nothing about the crime stats in this country over the past hundred years.

Here is how to make this seemingly insane media circus make logical sense. People with sub-Saharan African ancestry tend on average, due to the population differences in genetic variation, have lower average intelligence and more tendency toward violence. These two difficult facts are increasing obvious to those willing to take a hard and honest look at the evidence, but anathema to the worldview of many people including a vast majority of those working in the media. Many people cannot tolerate this difficult aspect of the reality that they live in, and must hide from it at all costs. Selectively distorting the news by, for example, changing a random killing of a suspicious young black male into a racist vendetta by remnants of the KKK, while ignoring stronger parallel killings of innocent whites is part of their subconscious campaign to alter the reality in which they live rather than face the facts of the world as it really is.

They may have waited several hours to approach it after he was already dead.

Seems to be standard procedure these days. A shooter may leave a bomb at the scene for posthumous revenge, or booby-trap his own home.

What really puzzles me about this current Arbery media shark feeding frenzy, ritual wailing and gnashing of teeth, clothes rending, sackcloth and ashes, scarification rites etc etc – as an aside this peculiarly American phenomenon of periodic ritualistic purging and atonement foisted onto whites by the media/political establishment would make an excellent study for sociologist/psychologist/philosopher/student-of-religions, one is forcefully reminded of the ancient Hebrew practice of the ‘Scapegoat’, transmogrified into vicarious sacrifice – is that is occurring right slap-bang-in-the-middle of the biggest civil crisis in modern US history.

To me it seems like certain quarters are stirring it up, not that they need much of an excuse, but perhaps unconsciously to divert from the angst and tedium of lock down.
Perhaps their frustrations are *sooooo* desperately in need of an outlet that only the shedding of white blood – the blood of the hated fit for sacrifice race – can satiate their satanic list.

As an addendum, what do you think that the ‘Gladiatorial Games’ were originally all about?

Perhaps they later degenerated into ‘sport’, but the original idea was to shed human blood to appease dark spirits.

Brock Turner is a bizarre choice if you’re trying to construct an analogy.

It’s true though. Whenever black people try to go jogging they are set upon by hordes of cracker-ass crackers, armed with shotguns. You think this story is rare? Happens every day up in here. And the media just looks the other way.

For gun owners, the details of actual gunfights are hugely interesting, and educationally important for self-defense knowledge (or preparing for civil war boogaloo), contrasting heavily with the ridiculously stylised and often improbable portrayals of gun battles in Hollywood movies and television.

The laws of physics are suspended for Hollywood shootouts and car chases.

OT,but is one reason so many people in nursing homes are dying is because so many of the staff are black?

By the way, Trump completely muffed out on this issue, so don’t look for any help from him this time.

It’s the campus definition of racism, which is a cobweb of questionable assertions, but boils down to whatever is done, you racist, not me.

So Doyin Richards can be an angry, overpromoted, illiterate moron who hates and attacks whites because of their race … but at least she ain’t no racist. Because that’s what Professor Blatzenberg said. One may assume Editor Bergblatz agrees with him.

Oh yeah LeBron, I remember him. Said some racists had vandalized the gates at his mansion in Brentwood. And somehow the security cameras aimed right at the gates didn’t see them.

Here’s CNN: “Social activism!
His statement Wednesday is not the first time that the 33-year-old NBA superstar has been candid about race.”

but a study of 37 volunteers found that the highest reading came from the third finger on the dominant hand. A close second was the dominant thumb. So if you are right-handed, use the right middle finger.

Is the third finder on a hand the ring finger, or is it the middle finger?

Look, I watched the video. I’m sure that Arbery, with his criminal record, was up to no good. He was spotted by the father and son at the construction site peering into a window of an unfinished house and maybe casing it for tools he could sell or whatever. Then he continues running down the road. So the father and son drive past him and decide to do a “citizen’s arrest.” They get out of the truck with their guns. The son positions himself in front of the truck to the left with his gun to stop Arbery as he jogs past the right of the truck while the father is up in the back of the truck with his own gun, presumably covering for the son. Arbery spots the son (and maybe the father, too), who’s in plain sight from a distance and crosses in front of the trunk, tries to wrest the gun out of the son’s hands and punches him. Then, it seems, the father (coming to the son’s defense) or the son, or both, shoot Arbery and kill him.

I’m sorry, but both father and son acted like idiots. A “citizen’s arrest” over someone casing a place and then jogging off? Really? Sure, Arbery might have been up to no good, but the only crime they actually saw committed was a minor trespass: stepping onto private property. Just for starters, how did they know Arbery wasn’t armed himself?

And frankly, if some rando non-cop with a gun trained on me tried to stop me on a public road by telling me I was “under arrest,” I’d say, “Eff you!” And I’d feel perfectly justified in punching him out and grabbing the gun, if I could. People are under no obligation to submit to being stopped by armed randos, “citizen’s arrest” or no “citizen’s arrest.” They’re entitled to fight back.

Again, I’m sure that Arbery was up to no good. And I’m not sure that either McMichael committed a crime–although manslaughter is a distinct possibility. But the two acted like morons. This was not the Trayvon Martin case: nighttime, on private property, peering into people’s homes, jumping Zimmerman to the ground. It was broad daylight on a public road.

Sure, Arbery was not the holy martyr that the press has made him out to be. But the McMichaels don’t deserve a lot of sympathy, either.

Last night, I read an article from 1995 by a black journalist from the Washington Post by the name of Keith Richburg. He was stationed in Africa for three years during the absolute worst of the continent’s post-Cold War woes: Rwanda, the Congo, Somalia, etc. In a particularly illuminating passage, he mentioned feeling far more at home in Westernized South Africa-just then dismantling apartheid for good-than anywhere else on the continent, something he would have never dreamed of in his younger days.

Even back then, he was denounced as some self-loathing racist for pointing how American blacks have no more connection to the continent than a typical white American does with Europe, why, in the context of the horrors of Africa, that was a good thing, and the dangers of pursuing sectarian politics. And Richburg was no Sowell, no Thomas: he was a Washington Post reporter who has standard issue liberal views.

This was 25 years ago, back when the Overton Window was still somewhat sane.

For anybody interested, it is a good read:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/richburg/richbrg1.htm

If the Swedes had not stopped Brock Turner, he and ‘Chanel’ would have woken up on the grass together, had a good laugh and gone out to breakfast.

Two years later there would have been a wedding.

And that is why Brock should spend everyday of his low-wage earning life thanking God that the Swedes put a stop to that s—t.

(I read some of her interviews…she just be cray cray on the feminist assault stuff. Asian women just go to the power)

Who knows, the only person that could answer the question of motive is dead. Unless he left a note or messaged someone we can only guess. Perhaps he just felt like killing some white people that day regardless of what was in the news. The media of course will make excuses for him were it forced to cover the story a bit more: he was traumatized, victim of waycism, abused as a child, etc etc.

turns out the pennslyvania trans-shim removed its mother from her nursing home while the state was implementing its plan to kill all seniors via bringing covid to nursing homes. could be a big story.

Black on White crime is seen as a dangerous and potentially volatile storyline to be downplayed as much as possible.

Publicizing Black on White crime could lead to group feelings among Whites. Group feelings among Whites could lead to another Holocaust.

White on Black crime is seen as a precious resource to be magnified and sensationalized as much as possible, i.e. “hunting Black men.”

White self defense against Black perpetrators can easily be re-cast into White on Black crime, particularly when a White policeman is involved.

White on Black “crime” can often easily be recast—often in fact is—White self-defense against Blacks.

One should never speak of fellow citizens (if you are an ROK citizen visiting our US-centric blog, forgive the “fellow” part) as problems, but it is hard to deny that a lot of our issues as a nation revolve around our swollen upper-middle class. It’s easy to call out the billionaires for their venality or the masses for their irresponsibility, and no doubt both are issues. But in order to prop up a more precarious, but wealthy and demographically stronger UMC, we’ve hollowed out the middle class beneath them. Having a society of the Saved and the Damned is not a good idea, especially since the Saved will resort to increasingly stringent methods to prevent their offspring from becoming damned.

And the bien-pensants stemming from this demographic are indeed mostly-though not always-white. They spout the rhetoric of liberalism mostly out of a mixture of guilt and narcissism, reducing non-Europeans to derivatives of themselves with mirrors of their own concerns: and naturally, none of the inherent moral ambiguity that is a part of human nature, no matter where in the world you go. It’s really the White Man’s Burden all over again, just a lot more simpering, weak, and viewing non-upstream whites as responsible for the ills of the world rather than recalcitrant non-whites. Kipling was what he was, no apologies for it, and took honest responsibility for outcomes as a partisan of the ruling class of his day. It poorly reflects on today’s cultural elites, many of whom are deluded enough to not view themselves as elites at all.

A negro robbed by a white man. You don’t see that every day.

Blacks will never be held to the same standards as Whites because no one thinks Blacks are moral agents on the same level. Just like no one is shocked when a dog bites a man, but is outraged when a man hurts a dog.

Which is why some form of segregation will come back.

I read a couple of novels by Stephen Hunter. Massive, enormous, nay, gargantuan shitlib who hates the toothless white scum and loves the blameless negro, often jailed for life for some trivial reason by the southern white devils.

Vengeance on the badwhites in these novels was executed by one ‘Earl Swagger’, an honest working class man who just happened to also be an invincible fighting shitlib (in the story weighed down with medals from terminating hundreds of small japanese men during WW2). That’s who you could have been, badwhites. But no, now you all have to die while exhibiting your lack of character and good breeding.

Somewhat oddly, Stephen Hunter also worked for 40 years at the Baltimore Sun. He didn’t notice anything out of the ordinary while there, I take it.

I’m sorry, but both father and son acted like idiots.

Because they are idiots, which is why this becomes an international media sensation and a sterling opportunity to hammer whitey and further compromise his rights.

Likely there’s a history in the neighborhood of just this kind of ‘casing the joints’ before burglaries and we’ll never hear about that, or Arbery’s history, or anything else that might compromise the Narrative.

But we can expose just a little bit of truth here and there without deciding to die on this particular hill.

Can’t we all just agree that murder is bad?

Yes, I get the media is only interested in certain kinds of murders: after all, your typical 13 year old black girl who gets hit by a stray bullet in South Chicago is no more likely to make the news than the Marinos or Zemir Begic or a Korean grocer being targeted by a South LA mob or Craig Hicks when it turned out he was an atheist with vaguely left-wing politics rather than the redneck Jesus-loving good ‘ol boy the MSM initially counted. But call me old fashioned or not down with the times: I don’t understand why this is so difficult. Murder is wrong. It should be punished. The race of the victim and the race of the perp doesn’t matter. End of story. And regardless of Arbery’s background, I have yet to see any evidence that McMichaels deserves any sympathy for a “citizen’s arrest” gone wrong where someone ended up dead. That’s manslaughter at the least, possibly murder. I don’t blame Arbery for reacting how he did: I’d do the same. And I probably wouldn’t have ended up shot: let’s be real about this.

My thoughts exactly. Although if you follow that thread/thought seriously, there’s immense doubt it’s actually our host(s) in disguise.

But if you’d have told me that Steve would react like he has to COVID-19 I’d have called you a liar. So now anythings up for “interpretation”.

The 1986 FBI shootout in Miami is fascinating. Somewhere I have the FOIA FBI report on it. I also read a shot by shot account from another source (can’t remember) that included lots of detail.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout

The 1986 FBI shootout in Miami is fascinating. Somewhere I have the FOIA FBI report on it. I also read a shot by shot account from another source (can’t remember) that included lots of detail.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout

It’s almost a certainty that the media racial demagoguery and yellow journalism over the Arbery case is what motivated the black Delaware shooter to hunt down two white people and kill them especially since it came on the heels of a propaganda blitz about the Arbery shooting.

Reverse the races and Ivanka would have treated us to a race lecture via tweet and like Steve said president Trump would attend the funeral or at minimum be personally en route to comfort any surviving family members to show black America that he really cares and should get on board the KAG train in 2020.

Instead, Trump’s turned into Obama and his DOJ is considering possible hate crime charges when there’s zero evidence that the McMichael’s were motivated by race or intended to to have a violent confrontation with Arbery.

We’re literally hunted EVERYDAY/EVERYTIME we step foot outside the comfort of our homes! Can’t even go to a damned cemetery. Like WTF man are you kidding me?!?!?!?!?!? No man fr ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!!! I’m sorry Marinos (Rest In Paradise) and my prayers and blessings sent to the…..

During the Late Obama Era cop murders by Numinous Negroes, a number of Numinous Negroes were happy to go on camera and equate cops killing a black murder or rape suspect who kept resisting arrest with violence and blacks ambushing a policeman. To hordes of blacks, those are the same in morality.

Numinous Negroes tend to think, to reason, and then to act like not merely a combination of tantrum tossing two old with childish 10 year old with hormone-raging 16 year old, but also with the quintessential spoiled brat who expects that the ‘adults’ adore his antics for their cute entertainment value and always cover for him, always make certain he gets most of what he demands.

If US are to survive as a country, the entire black-centered narrative has to go.

Although, I don’t know any mixed-race country has, ever, lasted long (without functioning core population being at least 75%). Methinks, the only way out is a soft segregation, natural distancing which is at work in Brazil or similar countries (true, highly dysfunctional).

I don’t see how a country which has greed as the only true glue can survive (the rest are weird religions & entertainment). Historical American culture, highbrow & lowbrow, is publicly demonized or marginalized & what is offered as the substitute is anti-white grievance mythology, with blacks and Jews as eternal saints and victims (and colored others as fellow-travelers).

Can such a country survive for long? Despite its enormous wealth & influence? I don’t think so.

Wouldn’t the goal be not to game the thing to get a high reading, but rather to use the normal method to get a standard reading to compare to population norms?

Depends, I suppose, on your reasons for measuring your oxygen blood saturation. If you’re after statistical comparisons, sure, measure in exactly the same way, as nearly as possible, every time. If you’re concerned about how well your breathing system is working, comparison to population norms seems beside the point. If all is well, yours should be north of 97%. Otherwise, it might be time to think about getting some medical attention. Depending, of course, on how low it is, how you’re feeling, if you’re paralyzed by fear of pathogens in the great outside world, etc.

Before I retired, I made my living as an optical engineer by measuring things. For some quantities being measured, the effects of measurement error are equally likely to make the reported value err larger or smaller. That’s usually the case, and then you do want to try to avoid “gaming the system;” instead, you get multiple measurements and combine them (mean, median, mode, RSS, whatever’s proper), and report that combined result, along with the uncertainty, expressed perhaps as standard deviation. But some things don’t work that way. For example, you might be using an interferometer to measure wavefront error in an imaging system, such as a telescope, or a camera lens. That’s a case in which both the systematic error sources (aberration in the interferometer’s optics, for example) and the random sources (disturbances in the air in the optical path, vibration getting into the optical bench) all work to make the wavefront worse, never better. So the proper thing is to grab interferogram after interferogram until you’re satisfied that you’ve got the one with the lowest wavefront error, consistent with the impossibility of spending your whole life in the lab, and report that one. That’s not gaming the system; that’s knowing how the sources of measurement error work.

Also, n=37 for a complicated result like “middle finger … but of dominant hand”? How many left handers were among the 37? Four?

Testify! I’d be pretty skeptical of NY Times “Ask Well” columnist Tara Parker-Pope’s numeracy. “A close second?” How close? You’d think, if measurements on a vast volunteer (self-selected) sample of 37 (!) are worth reporting in the first place (which, probably not), the reporter could make a simple table of mean readings vs. finger choice so that her readers could judge for themselves what the significance of the variations might be.

Sorry about the comment length. As they say, “don’t get me started.”

Charlotte Allen: Yes, they were idiots. What I don’t get is why they’re charged with murder rather than some sort of manslaughter. As I see it, the affair illustrates one of the downsides of being armed with guns. There’s no “low” or “medium” setting on the dang things. Once the two got grappling with each other, it wouldn’t have been easy to come to a nonlethal ending.

Jesse Jackson 30 years ago said that black people can’t be racist because they don’t have the power. Whatever that means.

I’m gonna answer you by quoting myself from another comment on another thread.

“Speaking of Arbery; recently some photos in the news have showed black males well armed with assault rifles parading down a street somewhere in Georgia in protest. What if the situation were reversed and a white guy were to run out onto the street and attempt to wrestle a rifle away from one of these righteous warriors? What would we expect the black guy to do? What would we accept as his rightful response? Let him take it away? And so on. I think you get the picture.“

Once again; Arbery did not have to run towards the guy holding the gun. He could simply have turned right and run off the road or he could have stopped and turned back. Not only did he make no atttempt to avoid conflict, but he initiated it.

What about that is so hard to understand? How can the white guy be guilty of murder when he was trying to keep his assailant from taking his gun away from him? All the rest is simply irrelevant. It’s not illegal in Georgia to stand in the middle of the street with a gun in your hands.

You may be unaware of the extremely high number of both violent and property crimes committed by black males. It’s insanely disproportionate to their population levels. Blacks are notorious for casing quiet White neighborhoods to not only steal, but to rape. There was a report of a black Male breaking into a house in their neighborhood and these two brave men decided to do what was once very common, confront the thief. Nowadays, because most of you grow up in “safe” neighborhoods and grow soft as a result, you are unaware of what actual men do when a criminal prowls through their town.
I also can’t help but wonder if you’d react the same way, dismissing a criminal’s past behavior, if he was White. You “goodwhites” have been completely brainwashed into always sympathizing with the negro. It’s very sad.

Steve, you wrote a piece entitled Racial Revenge.

I got two words and a number for you: Crown. Heights. 1991.

Again, I do not rate an automated LOL, nor a “thanks.” So, manually: LOL! Thanks!

This incident is similar to the Covington Kids incident, in that left-wing stereotypes of white non-left wingers caused their brains to short circuit.

In the case of the Covington Kids, it was the smug white boy face, reeking of privilege. You didn’t even have to know any facts to know he was a Nazi. The video image capture was enough evidence.

In the case of this father and son duo, they look like homely, overweight Southern klansmen, and they have guns and drive pickups. Forget about any questions about the timeline or the facts or who did what when or the black jogger aesthetic of khaki cargo shorts hip-hop jogging wear. The images of the father and son in the video image capture and mug shots is enough evidence.

By the way, the local paper, the Brunswick News, if you catch the articles before they go behind the paywall, is quite good on the facts. They had the additional video information before anyone else (simply by making the effort to read the prosecutor’s statement, a public record), and they had some hilarious quotes from the victim’s mom, including to the effect that she “didn’t think he had commited any crime on that particular day.”

The one big difference — and it is significant — is that AA was not immediately threatening anybody at the time the McMichaels decided to act.

My best guess is that AA was casing the property, and the MM duo’s intent was to detain AA until the cops got there, and AA’s actions were the ones that that committed this incident to be a tragedy.

But it’s probably true that the MMs, by grabbing and brandishing their guns, escalated the situation and made death a more likely outcome.

Incidentally, it’s possible that if everyone acted the way the MMs did, we’d have far less crime, and a bit more death. Is that a worthy tradeoff? It depends on the numbers involved. 1 more death for no crime, obviously yes. 10x the deaths for 5% reduction in crime, obviously no.

BTW, your post from back on November on how Europe started to recover in 1000 AD: I’ve done some-very basic, not doctoral level stuff obviously-studying of the period, and I fully agree with you now: my view was overly simplistic and didn’t really account for the profound differences between Europe during the Dark Ages and the classical medieval period, to say the least, as well as the degree of continuity with the Renaissance. It’s also not hard to detect a lot of “Western distinctiveness” originating from around the same time period. Very fascinating stuff that I plan on going into deeper detail on in the next few years.

I just get annoyed on how Byzantium always seems to get the shaft in being remembered and appreciated, whether you are talking to liberals or conservatives. Even at the pits during the 700s, Constantine V was writing eruditely on theology and political administration when he wasn’t busy campaigning, at a time where Charlemagne was learning how to write his own name as an adult.

Thought exercise – assume that all the video you have seen of Ahmaud is accurate and true – the shooting played out with his attack, the gun was discharged unintentionally, and he was in fact casing/robbing the houses.

Also assume that one or more of the “hunters” are guilty of hate crimes.

What believable scenario can you construct to explain this evidence, again, assuming Ahmaud was a petty criminal AND the ruralistos are guilty of state or federal hate crimes.

Can’t we all just agree that murder is bad?

Sure, murder as defined as the actus reus of causing the unlawful death of someone with the requisite mens rea of wanting to do so or, to a lesser degree, with a sufficient degree of foreseeable negligence is a wrong that must be punished.

Running over someone while trying to flee for one’s own safety is manslaughter at best under Virginia law, punishable by a few years in prison at most rather than several centuries, so the guy got railroaded for the sake of politics, The punishment here is the greater wrong vis à vis the larger society.

“Men of Color are usually interested in having romantic relations with white girls.”

Okay Tiny, let’s make a deal; “men of color” get all the black and White women, White men get all the Asian and Hispanic women.

Everyone wins!

“I don’t blame Arbery for reacting how he did: I’d do the same. And I probably wouldn’t have ended up shot: let’s be real about this.”

You would have rushed an armed man with a shotgun, punched him in the face and tried to take it? And you believe he wouldn’t have shot you because of your race? So he would have been like “here’s my gun fellow white man.”

How are you a poster on here? LMFAO

I’ve read that this brouhaha also is useful for getting the dropped prosecution of Gen. Flynn out of the news. Whew!

Who engages in white flight and gentrification?

It’s bad when white people leave the neighborhood and it’s bad when they come back again. White people are just bad, period.

I don’t recall the exact wording of the GA statute, and I’m too lazy to look it up, but I believe these guys had to catch AA in the act of committing a felony. Tracking him down after committing a felony is at best a grey area. These guys are toast in the current environment: As unlawful death was reasonably foreseeable when brandishing a shotgun, second degree murder or its equivalent is not hard to make, but I’d be surprised, given the narrative about how the father knew AA was a bad guy, if they don’t get first degree murder. Does that qualify for the chair or needle in GA?

The press does care if they insite crimes against whites. If someone was to say that that was part of the plan, I wouldn’t argue.

The media has blatantly lied so bad about this case that I wonder if the FCC would have grounds to intervene based on public safety and the public interest in general. Anyone know anything about the subject?

There’s no way of maintaining any type of free society when the media has turned completely into an unregulated propaganda machine with the capability to reach virtually everyone, while censoring dissident voices into irrelevancey.

> These two difficult facts are increasing obvious to those willing to take a hard and honest look at the evidence, but anathema to the worldview of many people including a vast majority of those working in the media.

At the end of the day, I think this is the central issue of Western society — we reject reality.

That some component of the striation of the races is innate; that men and women are different; that gender dysphoria is a mental disorder; that a homogeneous society has advantages over multiculturalism, and so forth.

I think it’s overly simplistic to say we do this because we’re rich enough to afford it, though that’s part of it. I think it also has to do with the structure of our society, which permits activists to hold the megaphone.

accept the Supremacy of the liberal Managerial State because only after Liberals achieved total victory will they be willing to consider that there could be something wrong with their policies.

Ask the people of Venezuela how that is working out for them. When Leftist measures go wrong, to a Leftist that just means that they haven’t been applied rigorously enough and it is necessary to redouble your efforts in the name of achieving perfect equality.

The media aren’t helping, but the root cause is TNB in the DNA.

we do this because we’re rich enough to afford it,

Democrat governors say, “Too rich? No problem. I hereby proclaim all profit making activities to be illegal. Oh, and Federal government, could you cut us a check for $3,000,000,000,000.00 please since we can no longer skim the profits of private business.”

“let’s be real about this.”

And let’s be real about this boomer, we’re in the mess we’re in because of people like you talking about moral equivalence when we’re in a fucking race war.

He hates us coming and going.

No.

That’s not how this works.

They want you gone.

Well, yes indeed.
But the Negro Delusion Bubble is massive and seemingly impenetrable.

It’s good to have the old TD back again, sounding just authentic enough but so over the top as to be a perfect lampoon of non-White, prog duckspeak https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/duckspeak

Anon, I bought a Pulse Oximeter when they were first mentioned here at iSteve’s (Walmart $39 plus tax) I take my readings from my left index finger just like they do at my doctor’s office, But I tried different fingers and got a range of 97 to 99, hardly a big difference. And wouldn’t the third finger of my dominant, right, hand be my ring finger? Next up on the NYT::” Pulse Oximeters deserts and does skin color tilt your PO reading?”

see my comment.

My intellectual compass is predicated on judging working-class whites, and their desire to protect their modest plots of land.

If the races were reversed in Abery-McMichaels — and it were a Black father and son who shot a repeat-felon White methhead looking to steal copper — it would be kind of quaint, since it means the father is still in the home. It would give me the same feeling that I get when I donate to charter schools.

Yes! That is why so many East African distance runners are gunned down each year by gun-toting Bubbas in pickup trucks.

Please.

The reality you can’t bring yourself to face is why we’re talking about this in the first place.

Coward.

“But controlling the media means that you also don’t learn from your mistakes.”

Mr. Sailer, is this not just a restatement of the Taranto Principle?

https://www.nysun.com/opinion/the-taranto-principle/86573/

The Peter like attempt by the English family, who owns the house under construction that the late Mr. Arbery was casing, to deny any association with this entire incident is interesting. They hired an attorney who is obviously a local yokel and not one of the polished race baiters we will see on national news for many news cycles. Anyway, the interview with this attorney is hilarious as she makes it clear that the English family is on the side of the Goodwhites and that nothing was ever stolen from their property. I guess they installed a video camera with a motion sensor just for entertainment value. I suspect that the McMichael’s defense attorney will find that things were indeed stolen from that property and that there are police reports to document it.

It is very obvious and understandable that the English family does not want to be doxxed by TPTB and definitely does not want a figurative cross burned in their yard by the new Klan by different letters such as BLM, NAACP, SPLC, etc.

The point is to detect whether you’re heading south of 95% (really 90%, but 95 tells you to start paying attention). People were showing up at the hospital in the 50s, which shouldn’t even be possible.

Paul Kersey here at Unz reliably points out these black-on-white atrocities, and sure enough he’s already on the Delaware slaughter along with Steve. But the same superficial and slanted news outlets that warned me “outrage was building” over the Georgia killing have made no mention of these whites getting offed.

You should read Mr. Richburg’s whole book, NF, Out of America, reviewed conveniently for you by Peak Stupidity right here – Part 1 and Part 2

No doubt they will only use them when the cameras are rolling just like these guys:

https://twitter.com/Matt_Zawadzki/status/1260091180190240768?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

It is interesting that the most heinous White on Black crimes they can come up with always involve blacks who are up to no good at the time.

I think you nailed it. Usually in cases like this, juries will give the idiots who start the incident some benefit of doubt. Prosecutors know this and usually try to rollover cases like this with lenient plea deals.

In response The MSM have taken to organizing what amount to legalized lynchings, at least in the rare cases where the person who ends up dead is a Negro, prog, or some other protected class and the persons who kill him are White.

Wide publicity for the Marino cemetery killings would be potentially catastrophic for morale among serving military personnel and their families, I imagine. Let’s hope that focused investigation of the incident will be possible to get to the likely motive or motives behind such a dreadful event.

This approach might work in a racially homogeneous society. While homogeneous, Sweden learned welfare states have inherent problems. With the influx of Muslim immigrants, they’re realizing the problems of racially heterogeneous societies fairly early in the game.

I’m not at all optimistic their lessons can be learned in the US at this point.

No, I’m just honest enough to not buy into ideology at the expense of denying reality, something truly omnipresent all over the political spectrum in the modern United States. If some jumped up idiot with delusions of grandeur tried to pull “a citizen’s arrest” on me for trespassing on his yard without warning-no asking me to leave-I’d attack him or flee. Under arrest from what authority? And if he’s toting a shotgun, I’d assume he’s deeply psychotic and do whatever it takes to get out alive.

Was Arbery the misunderstood saint the MSM is trying to portray him as? No: he had a criminal record. But the only crime he committed at the time of the video was, at most, petty trespassing: the truth is, we have no idea what was going through his mind, anymore than anyone else does. Maybe he was planning a burglary, and maybe he was just jogging. Doesn’t matter. Going Leeroy Jenkins on unwanted lawn guests in broad daylight because they *might* be planning further crimes works great in movies, but in real life can lead to off-script consequences. In this case, it will: and the McMichaels deserve it.

Seems as though everybody believes in “innocent until proven guilty”, until they don’t.

I’m terrified that our ruling class has apparently surrendered to the notion that printing and distributing trillions (perhaps to be quadrillions within our lifetimes) of dollars is the solution to every problem. Governments that do this inevitably destroy their currency and economy, inflict untold miseries on their citizens, and eventually fail in some violent way. IMHO, our current ruling class is already far enough down this path that very soon there will be no turning back. The last straw will be the $2,000 per person per month guaranteed income that is even now being seriously bruited about inside and outside the Beltway.

your typical 13 year old black girl who gets hit by a stray bullet in South Chicago is no more likely to make the news than the Marinos or Zemir Begic or a Korean grocer

No, they make a big deal about black kids getting hit by stray bullets here in Chicago. It’s the lead story on the nightly news whenever it happens and they spend plenty of time agonizing about it. Begic or some Arab grocer not much at all. They even named a park after a 15 year old black girl, Pendleton Park, who was hit and killed by a stray bullet. Don’t have to do much to get something named after you, no discoveries or explorations, just be black and get killed by chance. Shootings are continuing apace so there’s always new material for the media to work with.

If police triage property crimes and “suspicious persons” downward, and if every Vibrant Body is paid to exist and can wander wherever they want, then inevitably communal borders will be enforced by McMichaels with shotguns.

You see, what the owners in that subdivision should have done is sell their homes to the next suckers in the US FIRE/Ponzi scheme and mortgaged themselves to the hilt to price away the Diversity somewhere else. But they can’t; homes in that subdivision are valued around $270K. It’s too downscale for buyers who can move to the Golden Isles where there’s one long highway in and out, and over-priced relative to the demographics on the shore side. That’s why the people living there are retired cops and blue collars who’ve sunk every penny they have. They like the hunting and fishing, the coastal cachet, and it’s warm and the taxes are low. They’ve “arrived,” and there’s nowhere else to go.

It will all end in tears.

That’s a great book. Hunter and his researcher really did a fine job with the details and mechanics of that gunfight.

tl;dr

I can’t believe you of all people are falling for this.

Completely unreal.

This is why we can’t have nice things.

Split the difference-ism now the strongest force known to man. MUST.BE.ABOVE.IT.ALL. They’re destroying your country empowered by your own vanity.

If you think I’m talking about some ideology for God’s sake pull your head out of your ass. Why in the world would I care about some random case in podunk Georgia. I don’t let people who hate me decide what I care about. Why do you?

You gotta admit that some whites are asking for trouble. This was on facebook, on the supermarket’s own review page, and her name really is Karen:

Karen Heckmann I went to Tops in Carmel, NY yesterday and two customers were not wearing masks. I was yelling at them where is your fn masks. I want to sucker punch them, so told one of the employees about this and they said they can’t make customers wear masks. I am so fn done with Tops Friendly Markets and they still have no toilet paper,paper towels etc.

I have yet to see any evidence that McMichaels deserves any sympathy for a “citizen’s arrest” gone wrong where someone ended up dead. That’s manslaughter at the least, possibly murder. I don’t blame Arbery for reacting how he did: I’d do the same.

Arbery attacked them and was trying to shoot one of them.

Desi, Thank you and the PO comes with instructions so the average person doesn’t need to be looking for a “better” reading, just one that stays in the norms. I would think at 50% or less your toe nails and finger nails would be blue black. Stay safe.

Yes, Byzantine civilization was extraordinary–and it’s way misunderstood and under-appreciated, partly because so few people learn Greek and so are able to read the records. Its writers produced not just theology but magnificent poetry and chivalric romances. The Byzantines had a sophisticated legal system based on Roman law, although going in a different direction from Justinian’s code. Constantinople was known for its shipbuilding and military strategy. Hagia Sophia isn’t just an architectural masterpiece but an acoustic wonder, as acoustics specialists are only now discovering. We owe it to Byzantine scribes for all the classical Greek literature that we have–and Byzantine artists also carried on the classical, naturalistic artistic tradition when using Greek-mythological themes in their carvings. The food alone in Constantinople must have been great. Most of today’s Greek/Turkish dishes, such as moussaka, are actually Byzantine in origin.

I don’t know much about Charlemagne’s own literacy level, but he did fill his court with learned monks (from England, such as Alcuin) who introduced classical education to Europe and also the rigorous study of Latin grammar; Latin writing had become quite sloppy during the preceding couple of centuries.

And frankly, if some rando non-cop with a gun trained on me tried to stop me on a public road by telling me I was “under arrest,” I’d say, “Eff you!” And I’d feel perfectly justified in punching him out and grabbing the gun, if I could.

At that point you’ve used a firearm to put them in reasonable fear for their lives and you’ve basically forced them to shoot you.

But here’s the thing: Brock Turner was a spoiled little prick (trust me, I have personal grounds for knowing this) who, when needing to assert his truthfulness, repeatedly lied to the court about his prior alcohol and drug use when he tried to use lack of experience with alcohol as an alibi. The dude was found on top of an unconscious lady behind a dumpster: odd place to be giving a lady CPR. Yes, plenty of innocent college-age males are accused falsely of sexual assault and aren’t given the same “innocent until proven guilty” treatment-something that used to be a hallmark of our legal system-that Joe Biden, one of the authors of those measures, now hypocritically demands for himself. That doesn’t translate automatically into Turner being innocent, nor does it mean that there weren’t any sexual assault problems with campus culture *at all*, before the Left inflated and twisted a real issue in service of their ideology.

Jesus Christ, you people really need to learn that just because someone is being attacked by the media because they fit Their Narrative doesn’t mean they are worth defending. McMichaels, Turner, really? There are enough innocent people who actually deserve to be defended against the PC lynch mobs that you don’t need to make excuses for people who actually did bad things.

This is a pretty good book by the FBI agent who ended the gunfight.

When the bad guys get in trouble they can always rely on the fact that what we all really care about in our heart of hearts is that no one mistakes us for a redneck and that we’ll chase that goddamned squirrel all the live long day.

You too, man. You’re good people.

A little scary here being immune suppressed but nice of everyone to leave the great outdoors to me and my boys.

Being liberal means never admitting your wrong.

Exactly. Why, just the other day, I was on my customary hammer-jog through what some philistines might call “the hood,” stopping to admire the interiors of all the cars along the way. (I am a car buff). I soon found myself accosted by several angry young lads (some of them quite strapping, let me tell you) who said, and I will attempt to quote, “Get yo pasty white cracka ass outta heah!,” followed by a term I dare not repeat on this family forum.

Well, you can imagine my dudgeon at their effrontery. I quickly pulled out my copies of Locke’s Treatises and LaFave’s Substantive Criminal Law and proceeded to give them all a good talking-to. Jackanapes!

Scott Adams tested/trolled the twitterati after the AA incident. Many took the bait.

The messed up thing about being a white man in America is that I can explore people's property at night as much as I want and I can try to wrestle guns out of people's hands without fear of harm. I'd hate to live in a country where I have worry about being shot for that. https://t.co/a3nAIVTfVU

— Scott Adams (@ScottAdamsSays) May 11, 2020

Etiam si omnes, ego non. I refuse to be dragged down to their level and respond to identity politics with counter-identity politics: that can be a road to a true, vicious hell that most Americans cannot contemplate in their worst nightmare. If it were up to me, all identity politics-regardless of origin-would be neutered.

I call things as I see them. I’m not always right, but I’m always genuine, and I don’t let anybody dictate what I think. Clear?

Would you have attacked a guy asking you to stop with a shotgun in his hand? I’m assuming no, since that is simply idiocy any way you look at it.

If you did, I’m sure you would end up dead too. To me that’s this silly whole story in a nutshell and everything else is window dressing.

I refuse to be dragged down to their level and respond to identity politics with counter-identity politics

You may not be interested in identity politics but identity politics is interested in you!

The 1986 FBI shootout in Miami is fascinating. Somewhere I have the FOIA FBI report on it. I also read a shot by shot account from another source (can’t remember) that included lots of detail.

Yeah, this case is a textbook case at Quantico and every new FBI recruit learns about it in training.

You can get the made-for-TV movie about this shootout on YouTube (free). This was a great movie that made a huge impression on me when it came out. I once had a [one-month] job driving an armored car full of money around the time of the shootout. This is a very well-done movie with great acting (stars David Soul and Michael Gross).

In the Line of Duty: The F.B.I. Murders (NBC, 1988)

The video really is a Rorschach inkblot: you can use it to justify whatever ideological bias you have. I certainly concur that a video of someone charging at two men with guns is a reasonable action if you think they’re hunting you. Even Derbyshire, someone who is usually level headed, hasn’t keyed into that aspect.

That said, we have a guy with priors and limited information in that we don’t know what happened out of frame of the video (and no sound). It’s probably manslaughter, but I could imagine a good defense attorney arguing all kinds of things.

OT:

Sumo wrestler outbreak news (from the SF Chronicle):

SUMO WRESTLER DIES: A 28-year-old Japanese sumo wrestler died Wednesday from the coronavirus. Shoubushi, whose real name was Kiyotaka Suetake, is the first sumo wrestler known to have died from the virus and is among the youngest victims in Japan. He developed a fever on April 4 but could not get a test or find a hospital until four days later. Japan has set a very high bar for testing due to a lack of capacity. Avoiding close contact with others is a challenge in sumo, where wrestlers live together and train and eat together. Several other wrestlers have also been infected. The Summer Grand Sumo Tournament scheduled to start May 24 was canceled earlier this month.

Considering your chances of getting a fair trial, your best bet in dealing with “joggers” is to shoot, shovel, and shut up. And live in a rural area where people shoot guns all the time.

Racism will prevail because it is essential for long-term survival. If you think your DNA is nothing special, why bother having children? The Anglo-Jewish progressive liberalism that presently holds the whip over us is contracepting itself out of existence. Thus North America reverts to tribalism, solving the woman problem, the nigger problem, and the Jew problem in one fell swoop.

He was spotted by the father and son at the construction site peering into a window of an unfinished house

He did much more than that. He entered into the house and walked around. However, he did not take anything (that was visible to the security camera that recorded it all). Maybe that’s because he didn’t see anything worth taking (that he could carry in his own hands and jog home with and not get stopped – most joggers don’t have a good explanation for why they are carrying a chop saw on their back).

That being said, it was at most criminal trespass. It was not a good idea for father and son to take it upon themselves to make a citizen’s arrest for such a minor crime and it was an even less good idea to shoot him unless they can prove that they were acting in self-defense (the video of the shooting doesn’t look promising in that regard). Citizen’s arrest is lawful in GA but as you can see, even if they get off from the murder claim (and it’s not clear that they will) they have bought themselves a whole lot of bother and cost for very little gain. They should have just let the cops handle this. Given that he didn’t take anything, Arbergy would have gotten off with a ticket or maybe even just a warning. I confess that (long ago – the statute of limitations has already expired) I may have once or twice visited houses under construction just out of curiosity and I am glad that nobody killed me for doing so.

And frankly, if some rando non-cop with a gun trained on me tried to stop me on a public road by telling me I was “under arrest,” I’d say, “Eff you!” And I’d feel perfectly justified in punching him out and grabbing the gun, if I could.

So you would charge someone holding a gun while someone else with a gun covers him?

Even by the typical standards of “internet tough guys” that is hilarious.

This 35 minute video provides a thoughtful discussion of the incident. It also gives substantial background for anyone who wants to be informed to discuss the incident with others.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrfTi1RbDf0&feature=youtu.be

For those with a short attention span, this 13 second video shows Arbery charging McMichael.

https://twitter.com/V8POW/status/1260233428827594754

P,S, I would be interested to hear what the Arbery apologists here (Looks like Charlotte Allen, Hugo Silva, nebulafox, and JosephB; any others? TD or his doppleganger in the first comment is not worth engaging with) have to say after watching these videos.

I don’t blame Arbery for reacting how he did: I’d do the same. And I probably wouldn’t have ended up shot: let’s be real about this.

You don’t think there is a real possibility that you would be shot in a situation where you attack someone who believes that you are a burglar, and also try to take his gun? My guess is that if Arbery had kept walking, the police would have been called.

Nonzero chance it’s some kind of elaborate psyop toward that purpose. I’m not falling for it again, whatever it is.

Our adversaries are saying “this is what we should be talking about.” If you say “no it’s not” you’ve already lost. If you start talking about it you’re aiding and abetting. Unwittingly is the whole point.

Time to get your wits about you.

As usual Steve is leading the way. They bring a knife you bring a gun. Only way this gets better.

Please watch the video I linked. It is clear you don’t know the background of this. And shooting off your mouth while making multiple incorrect assumptions just makes you look like an idiot who is dumb enough to uncritically believe the media narrative.

I call things as I see them. I’m not always right, but I’m always genuine, and I don’t let anybody dictate what I think. Clear?

An admirable sentiment. Even more admirable when one is willing to take the time to be informed about the things they are calling. And most admirable of all when one is willing to admit to being wrong after learning more about a situation.

Steve – Remember Soon Da Jue and Latasha Harlins?

It has long been a point of law that Black people have a right to steal your stuff. And use deadly force if anyone resists.

This is the law.

Also, since OJ it has been the law that Black people have the right if angry to kill any White person for any reason.

This is also the law.

These laws have held during a non Depression era. Stuff could be replaced.

Now it can’t. Lose your car you may never get another.

We rapidly approach civil war, hot version.

Money papers over conflicts. And we ran out of money.

res,

You’re falling into the same trap they are. For our purposes the first and last word in their defense is the presumption of innocence.

We have the right to remain silent. We have duty to return fire in kind. Follow Steve’s lead.

In all of the cases I can think of that caused a national outcry, whether a policeman was exonerated or disciplined, or even convicted of murder, the black “victim” caused his own death by resisting arrest or failing to obey police orders. Regardless of the legality of a policeman’s actions, the only sensible response to someone legally empowered to use lethal force against you is to comply — but no, the black “victims” always refused to comply!

Americans should be paying a lot more attention to Venezuela. We still have this idea that we’ll always be a rich country. Venezuela shows how far and fast a rich country can fall.

it was an even less good idea to shoot him unless they can prove that they were acting in self-defense (the video of the shooting doesn’t look promising in that regard)

Arbery charged them, punched one of the men multiple times in the head, and tried to take one of their guns and shoot them.

I agree with most of your points, but I think that you miss something important here — not in the incident itself (which you have described fairly) but rather in the follow-on media blitz turning this unfortunate little incident into a headline-grabbing multi-day crusade against the white power structure murdering innocent blacks out jogging. Rather, it was two working class white men messing up badly by confronting someone who may or may not have been casing houses for burglary (assume not, to keep it simple). Just a random dumb slip-up in a world full of random dumb slip-ups every day. Meanwhile, young black men murder whites at a shockingly disproportionate rate, and never a wimper from the media. The media want to create a vision of a world that does not exist, in which the faults of the black underclass (which are actually genetically caused at the deepest level of explanation) are the fault of the white power structure. So it is part of a subconscious media campaign to create a false vision of the world. You miss that in your discussion, and that is the main problem that Sailer is addressing here, not the details of the incident.

Nebula: we’ve stopped beating our wives, it’s those dirty white trash rednecks who are the problem, as usual. Honest, occifer!

res: no, look at this, looks like their wives had it coming

Me: where’s the probable cause?

Thanks for the re-up of that classic.

“Torresola and Collazo, apparently decided to move the assassination up five days and headed for Washington. This acceleration of the schedule probably kept it from succeeding”

One downside of the assassination’s failure: if it had succeeded, might the US have done what it should have in 1898 and cut PR loose?

I like Truman as much as the next guy, but as you point out, the annexation of Puerto Rico has probably been a net negative for both countries. Therefore one can countenance losing Truman if the lives of many anons are saved.

But probably independence wouldn’t have happened. Rather the reverse: the assassination would have solidified resolve to “keep” Puerto Rico even though no one could any longer articulate the reason it was necessary. After all, to do anything else would be “letting the terrorists win”.

Puerto Rican annexation and the coronavirus response share a leitmotif with many other government policies: an early semi-rational action partly succeeds and partly fails. (In the era of unstable global hegemony, a strongpoint east of the Panama made some sense for coal-fueled ships. Facing an infection of ambiguous virality, preemptive quarantines are a drill in prudence.) But as the benefit of success diminishes, and the cost of failure increases, those who implemented the initial semi-rational policy gradually double-, triple-, and quadruple-down on it even as the benefits evaporate and the costs escalate. As the status quo becomes increasingly fragile and nonsensical, correspondingly increasing measures must be taken to ensure its continuation, lest the admission of any small error expose the existence of—and responsibility for—much larger calamity.

There should probably be a name for this process.

Puerto Rican annexation, the coronavirus response, the War on Terror, the welfare state, Civil Rights™ legislation, affirmative action, tax code elaboration, immigration, etc., the pattern is eternal.

God save us all from big government solutions.

I read a comment somewhere by a police officer . He said he had aced every training exercise and range requirement . Then he and some other officers got into a real gunfight with some bad men . He said that training went right out the window and they were all just blasting away . At one point his clip was empty he says he was aware that his gun needed a new clip in a vague way but he kept on pulling the trigger rather than reload . His point was that nothing can prepare you that life or death moment except being in one and surviving it .

Police are essentially reactionary to crimes already committed. Some police are better than others at responding to a reported crime. IMO- Actual crime prevention is more a function of citizen involvement and trust, not policing. In places where guns are legal, that likely increases the importance of citizen crime enforcement and prevention (knowing not just police are armed has a deterrent effect on criminal conduct).

I’m no cop and have never held a gun. But I lived in NYC for 30 years, and have stopped several crimes and tried to stop several others unsuccessfully. My 5’4″ mother broke up a mugging of a 5’1″ Asian deliver man by screaming at the top of her lungs, scaring off 3 young black hoods. I would hope others would be brave enough to do the same for me.

Neither you or I know much of anything about the McMichaels at this point. The only thing I know is what I saw in the video: a young black man running full boar at a white man holding a shotgun. Would seem to be a very poor choice by Mr. Arbury. Everything else surrounding this is pabulum from the usual suspects in the race hustling MSM.

And frankly, if some rando non-cop with a gun trained on me tried to stop me on a public road by telling me I was “under arrest,” I’d say, “Eff you!” And I’d feel perfectly justified in punching him out and grabbing the gun, if I could. People are under no obligation to submit to being stopped by armed randos, “citizen’s arrest” or no “citizen’s arrest.”

When confronted by an armed robber, are you equally as brave? After reading your comment I scrolled up to see your name. “Charlotte”; another bias confirmed.

The Democrat media love talking about Gold Star parents, but only if the parent is some Muslim guy waving his pocket Constitution in our faces and scolding us that we don’t understand it.

You misunderstood the post. It’s not about praising Brock Turner. It’s about showing how ridiculous it would be if we did.

Separate nations.

Minoritarianism–minorities good, suffering, virtuous; majorities bad, oppressive, evil–has poisoned the well. Blacks–higher time preference, lower IQ, conscientiousness, cooperation relative to whites–are going to be more criminal. But this sort of racial revenge stuff comes from 50+ years of minoritarianism carefully cultivating black grievance against the white majority.

The plain reality is the fringe–blacks, Jews, muslims, Mexicans, Asians, immigrants, homos, trannies, cat ladies, etc. etc.–lives, and lives well!, off of the nation’s “white bread” core.

We in the core do not need any of these people. White gentiles have created the most prosperous and pleasant–or at least “used to be pleasant”–nations on the earth. (Not in any way dissing fine efforts by others.)

We simply do not require “the fringe”. We do not require their labor. We aren’t “oppressing” them–at all. (All these people are coddled.)

Americans willing to adopt to the norms and culture of the American white gentile core–i.e. assimilate–and put shoulder to wheel … no issue.

“Americans” who want to bitch and whine about their imaginary “oppression” or who spout nonsense–“diversity is our greatest strength”, “nation of immigrants”, “white privilege”, etc.–to try and delegitimize my people and the nation my ancestors built… there’s the door.

Separate nations.

If the American white gentile core is actually the “oppressive” problem then the fringe should have no issues with cutting them loose. Right? So what’s the hold up?

C’mon minorities … you have nothing to lose but your chains!

Hold your horses Steve!

A friend of mine with the Delaware state police gave me the REAL scoop:

He said the two old white people went to the cemetary without wearing masks which put the lives of untold people in danger. The good Samaritan attempted his social responsibility which was to kindly remind them that their behavior was selfish as well as possibly against statute, and he did it in the correct way with his loaded 9mm pointed at the while he admonished them.

They became irate, at which point they were breaking statutes for causing a public nuisance, disturbing the peace and civil unrest; at which point the citizen did what Good Americans like him do he attempted to uphold the law by attempting a citizen’s arrest.

A struggle ensued which unfortunately resulted in the death of the two aspiring polka musicians.

Seems as though everybody believes in “innocent until proven guilty”, until they don’t.

Says the guy who just judged the McMichael’s guilty just because you had a visceral reaction to the video and had your sensibilities offended.

Well now, one is Criminal Sexual Penetration, and one is trespassing… I mean I’m just sayin’.

Two possibilities:

1/. The sub nematode ‘brains’ of the NYT/Economist media establishment are just tooo fucking dumb to realise the damage they are doing by deliberately stirring up blacks.
2/. The are just pure evil and are deliberately doing it to inflict pain and hatred upon those whites whom they look down upon and habitually describe as ‘trash’.

Both eminently plausible, perhaps in combination, but, on balance, I would plump for explanation #2.

While this is an Ohio story I know that a lot of people have migrated from Ohio to Florida so “same same , five fingers one hand” as the Ni**gers overseas , correction down the block in every store I go into would tell me when they didn’t have the item I was looking for .

Jack, I agree with some of that, but you are missing substantial background. Please watch the video I linked. 35 minutes is long, but it is very informative and IMHO a must watch if you want to have a serious conversation about this incident.

Well, not exactly.

Kersey and Colin Flaherty are invaluable, actual journalists. Without their tireless travails into the swamps of abject misery (even to contemplate the soul-crushing agony of The Ignored and Despised – for there is no other way to characterize the surviving family of blameless whites executed by blacks they’d never met until they were murdered by them – on a daily basis has to be damaging not only to psyche and soul, but one’s physical health as well) NO ONE would bother to note these victims’ passing, or even that they were ever here at all.

Talk about doing a job that most Americans won’t do!

res: no, look at this, looks like their wives had it coming

No.

res: watch the videos

If we want to have a substantive discussion after that, fine.

P.S. The ironic thing is that by stating “where’s the probable cause?” without further comment you made clear you have not watched the longer video.

“The laws of physics are suspended for Hollywood shootouts and car chases.”

Because most civilian killing by gun is close-up. Professional killers avoid cowboy situations. Michael Mann aims for a blend of reality and Hollywood and usually succeeds. Martin Scorsese is closer to the mark in two of his mob pictures: Goodfellas (1990) and the incredibly entertaining Casino (1995).

And in other news, Chinese-American Weijia Jiang, who is playing her part in the multiracial coalition and accusing Trump of racism, is married to a…can we guess?

Sheldon C. Francis is the name of the shooter who killed two people, and had a 6 hour gunfight with police.

His name is missing too much in my opinion. It needs to be repeated very often. Its a shame that Sheldon Francis would have probably had to have killed a couple of cops for this story to have been picked up begrudgingly nationally. Sheldon Francis’ computer and phone activity should be made known.

Nobody seems to ask about where Arbery lived. How far away from the neighborhood where he was shot did he actually live? Brunswick isn’t a very jogger or cyclist friendly town.

A few questions for legal experts: how much does Arbery’s guilt of an immediately prior crime affect the liability of the McMichaels actions?

So many people keep saying they would have behaved just like Arbery if someone tried to detain them for police. First of all, no you wouldn’t, but secondly, it seems an entirely different ball of wax depending on whether it is a justified arrest or a false arrest; i.e. was Arbery actually guilty of a crime? Arbery’s guilt will be a hard sale now, only because he is dead by his own hand- struggle for the gun. Had he lived with minor wounds, we could expect the owner of the stolen hammer (which was thrown down) to testify. Now all attempts to prove his guilt will look petty, regardless of their truth and merit.

Second question for legal experts- is their a legal scenario in which both sides of a given combat would be justified in using deadly force? Winner take all? Something like a 3-on-1 barfight against a drunk guy with a knife? Both sides could equally feel their life threatened. And the fight could have escalated quickly from a minor incident. How do the courts assign blame during a 5 second arms race?

Even by the typical standards of “internet tough guys” that is hilarious.

And yet it is absolutely typical of negro behavior.

With each other, with cops, this incident, the context does not seem to matter.

When they discovered the Unabomber’s tiny, home-made, no-running water cabin, the FBI took a number of days to investigate it because they were so worried about booby traps.

However, the FBI knew at the time how high an IQ and how careful Kaczynski was, and how vicious he was, so their caution was justified.

I’ve not heard that average criminal shootout has the same booby trap features. Is that true? And is it because they watch so many movies?

Venezuela was not a rich country. It was a middle income country with large natural resource deposits and an incompetent government.

As far as I can tell from noodling around with GoogleMaps, somewhere between 8 miles and 15 miles away. It’s not clear to me whether he was entirely on foot or had a vehicle parked somewhere. By some accounts, he was carrying a hammer.

Here’s what I have to say:

Charge someone holding a gun? You know what they say: Run toward a gun, away from a knife.

It’s not unreasonable to charge a guy who’s holding a gun on you. In fact, some say that had the teachers in the Sandy Hook school massacre tried to charge crazy Adam Lanza, they could have saved some children’s lives.

I watched that video again, for the umpteenth time. It does not show Arbery “chasing down” Gregory McMichael. What it shows is Arbery running toward McMichael, who holds his ground until Arbery gets to the median line, then backs up. There is a scuffle–over McMichael’s gun, presumably, and it looks as though Arbery punches McMichael (a little hard to tell–as the action has moved to the far left of the video camera).

There were some break-ins and thefts (or at least two) in the McMichaels’ neighborhood in the months preceding the incident. There was no evidence–evidence, not suspicion–to connect Arbery with those burglaries. Old man McMichael suspected that Arbery, whom he knew had a prior theft conviction–of being the burglar, and then he saw Arbery walking through a house under construction. Maybe his suspicion was well-grounded and Arbery had been hoping to find something to steal. But suspicion–as McMichael should have known as a cop trained in proper procedure–isn’t enough to justify an arrest, even a police arrest. And trying to make an armed “citizen’s arrest” of someone whose sole crime of which you have actual evidence is misdemeanor trespassing is just plain stupid, especially for someone in law enforcement who should have known better.

I’m not an apologist for Arbery. He was probably a no-good who had it coming. Perhaps the McMichaels will be able to make a convincing case that they feared for their lives. But legal cases aren’t decided on how unfair it is for the press to vilify white people. They’re decided on actual evidence.

My mistake about his merely looking through a window. But even if he entered the unfinished house, the crime was trespassing. It’s not uncommon for unfinished houses to lure the curious. There was a lot of this right after the 2008 housing bust, when developers abandoned unfinished projects all over the place.

Frankly I’m starting to think that BadWhites might as well give up, adopt Swedish views of what is a proper society and accept the Supremacy of the liberal Managerial State because only after Liberals achieved total victory will they be willing to consider that there could be something wrong with their policies.

Their worldview is that white genes are the source of original sin. Where the liberal state’s policies fail to achieve utopia, they will perceive that whites genes are the problem factor. So your solution is just a route to genocide of some kind.

The US currently has two of those three characteristics. Currently.

I don’t know what you’re getting at. I was named after my paternal grandmother.

I don’t know about my bravery, either. I did manage long ago to scare off a home-invading, knife-wielding would-be rapist by screaming a lot. The best thing to do when confronted with a criminal is to take some action if you can.

Who the hell says “Charge a gun?” The point of teachers charging a gun is that their deaths might save the lives of some of the children in their charge. That’s what charging a gun does.

It certainly highlights the ever present problem of BadWhites randomly terrorising PoC.

We’ll never know what Aubery thought. And I highly doubt the prosecution will have any admissible evidence to support what anyone “speculates” he thought. So it’s sort of irrelevant.

But do you think they were “hunting” him?

They could try **gging in black neighborhoods to be safe from white ant-**gger patrols then.

Collateral was of course directed by the same man who directed Heat, Michael Mann.

Steve,

Are there any studies as to which populations are the most mentally healthy and least anxious based solely on their media consumption habits?

It is too easy to claim that the relatively well informed Red Pilled are better off for being so. Yeah, I know some Blue Pilled white folks who are crushed by White Guilt, but others seem perfectly content in their bubble if they have money at least.

And can anyone really claim to be fully Red Pilled unless they have revisited all of the WWII and Holocaust propaganda they were raised on and why. Being a Holocaust skeptic means that all authority figures and 90 percent of the population will judge you mentally suspect.

Do Obama, Hillary or even Trump really buy into this BLM nonsense? I doubt it. I think they are just so damaged by Zionist Kompromot pressures they feel they have no alternative. If any of them spoke out against BLM, the Jewish media would destroy them and their families and they know it.

The assassination of the Marinos has really sadden me in a way that all the other BLM inspired murders have not. My father was the son Italian immigrants and died a few years ago at 92 so that is part of it.

I honestly pray everyday that we are delivered from this ZOG controlled insane world.

Corona-chan is a bookkeeping phantom. Blacks live in Democrat controlled urban areas. Democrats have more enthusiasm for the Corona scam than Republicans. Hence more phantom black corona casualties.

“Charge a gun, run from a knife.” Is not Law. And I believe it was Norman Mailer who said it in a Playboy interview and not “Jimmy Hoffa”, as someone else had asserted in an earlier comment on a different thread here at Unz.

Why do you guys keep bringing this canard up?

I guess it’s all you have.

Fool you once (Zimmerman), shame on them.

Fool you twice (Wilson), shame on you.

Fool you three times, you’re all shameless.

The police had been called.
How far away they were, who knows?
Greg and Travis were just keeping tabs on him and asking him to stop until police arrived.
If they hadn’t done that, Arbery was likely to enter a house, kill some woman, and steal her car so he could get back home, 12 miles away.

As I commented elsewhere on unz.com, there are about a dozen similarities between the Arbery and Trayvon killings. It’s almost as though Google or Chinese AI is sifting through a mountain of US local news data trying to discover an event where peak SJW outrage can be pumped up by Soros rent-a-mobs and the pro-Chinese corporate media in time to have maximum impact on US presidential elections. Manchurian Candidate ver 3.0 must be elected for China to continue rising.

A “citizen’s arrest” over someone casing a place and then **gging off? Really?

Yes, really. We need to train **ggers to keep their criminal mischeif in their own neighborhoods and not spill over into the surrounding communities.

the only crime they actually saw committed was a minor trespass: stepping onto private property

Some might call that “breaking and entering”.

There is more video of Arbery inside unfinished houses at night at least twice.
That particular house had had materials stolen previously. If Arbery was the innocent you posit, all he had to do was wait til the police showed up to sort it out.
Have a look at the vid of the encounter again. Arbery was running with a claw hammer in his hand. He dropped the hammer before he got to the pickup, ran around the pickup and then executed a surprise attack on Travis.
What do you think he was more likely to do if he got possession of that shotgun-disable it and wait for the cops, or commit multiple murders with it?

Of course I haven’t. It’s none of my goddamned business, nor yours, nor that of the idiot current occupant of the Sulzberger throne who hath decreed that it shall be discussed among all bien pissants.

That’s what juries are for, and all the other rigamarole that kicks in if the juries screw it up.

The probable cause line refers to the fect that it’s really you and I and Nebula here on trial, not some random rednecks. It’s a show trial on trumped-up charges with not even the pretense any more of legitimacy, and yet still y’all insist on pleading your own case without counsel.

Tragic but murders of children by parent and even parent by child happen all too frequently. Murders of one spouse or partner by the other is even more common. Even then I am sure that crime statics will show that in the vast majority of these case where the crime was interracial, the perpetrator was black or Hispanic and the victim white.

This virus lockdown is not helping.

What really matters for the stability of a society are murders between victim and stranger. In those cases we know that blacks murder whites in far far greater numbers.

Did they chase you a considerable distance and then corner you?

I feel you man, I really do, and it may turn out that we can muddle along and get there along that line as much from pure dumb luck as anything. Just understand that it makes you (and all of those associated with you) look viscerally weak. All the eloquence in the world is unlikely to be enough to overcome that.

Steve’s not responding with his own identity politics, he’s responding with the truth. Massive difference. That that truth is so painful to them that they may well be forced to abandoned their lies if forced thereby to confront it is no argument against advancing it with enthusiasm.

Undoubtedly the cops were cautious. After all, the MSM might well make them the villains had they decided to “notice” the event.

The murder of Paul and Lidia Marino has already faded from the news.

To no one’s surprise French, Dreher, and company have not deigned to comment as far as I know.

A punch to the head is a deadly assault. It’s a justified homicide.

“Men of Color are usually interested in having romantic relations with white girls. That in and of itself proves that there is no anti white animus.”
I always know I am dealing with a nit-wit, when someone tells me that the black male determination to mount white women is proof that the penile-primates-in-pursuit have “no anti-white animus.” (This was actually used by the defense team in the Channon Christian/Christopher Newsome case, to suggest that, because one of the blacks involved in the murders had a white girlfriend, he could not have committed a “hate crime.”) When black men pursue white women, it is almost always an act of war, desecration and defilement. What better way to get racial revenge against whites than to degrade our women and leave them with tormented mulattoes to raise?

What’s funny about black people is that they’re just a distraction. They are, as a race, so hideously dependent on others that they are never a threat to the established order-something they cannot live without, and something they cannot themselves replace.

Asians and indians, on the other hand, CAN live without whites. And, they CAN create their own systems and self reliant societies. These people are the true threat, not some black weirdos guilt tripping their way through life.

Whites will never be displaced by blacks. But they can be displaced by Asians.

“Trump’s turned into Obama” on this latest Trayvonish incident is a BS statement. He’s been pretty quiet about it, as he should be, making a few sympathetic noises when interviewers demand his opinion on it, but also saying that he trusts Georgia to see that the right thing is done, etc. Obama would have held a press conference by now, to announce a full hate crime prosecution, while also making some remarks about how Ahmaud could have been his son.

It was not rich like 1960s America, but it was the crown jewel of South America in the 1980s, Art.

I pretty much agree. The McMichaels were beyond stupid. The “citizen’s arrest” is largely a myth.

A gun is not a magic wand that will automatically make someone do what you tell him. Did the intrepid duo think (obviously not) what would happen if the “jogger” resisted and consider their situation if they shot him? Blacks (felons or not) frequently attack a uniformed police officer fists swinging in such a situation. Many such happenings have caught on Body Cam.

This is why years ago Obama and friends discouraged Body Cams.

Actually reasonable suspicion (a fairly low standard: in NY it is only a belief that criminality is afoot) is enough to make a “stop” of a citizen to ask questions that might lead to probable cause to then make an “arrest.”

Based on the video, it appears they were making a stop but didn’t have the opportunity to ask questions, because Aubery attacked them.

“Men of Color are usually interested in having romantic relations with white girls. That in and of itself proves that there is no anti white animus.”
I always know I am dealing with a nit-wit, when some tells me that the black male determination to mount white women is proof that the penile-primates-in-pursuit have “no anti-white animus.” When black men pursue white women, it is almost always an act of war, desecration and defilement. (This was actually used by the defense team in the Channon Christian/Christopher Newsome case, to suggest that, because one of the blacks involved in the murders had a white girlfriend, he could not have committed a “hate crime.”)What better way to get racial revenge against whites than to degrade our women and leave them with tormented mulattoes to raise?

This comment thread clearly shows that the M$M strategy is working. Media zombies, led by the nose away from the actual topic and right to the current “squirrel!” shiny-object topic. Because we sure can’t be allowed to think too much about the deliberate, cold blooded murder of an elderly couple right over their son’s grave because of the color of their skin.

I guess nebulafox gets a partial pass since he’s theoretically still in Singapore, but others don’t. Anyone immersed in the media swamp in the US should have already learned to see through it. Yeah, ok, I get that Boomers still want Uncle Walter to come and tell them the news, but c’mon, how many media liestorms have we seen in just the last 10 years? How many?

Free clue: the murder of two elderly wipipo over their son’s grave is more emblematic of inter-racial crime than the Georgia case. Far more common, about 50% of murders in the US are committed by black Americans, and the most likely murderer of a young black man is — another young black man. Truth will deny this, but flat-earthers aren’t in touch with reality anyway.

This hate fact brought to you by the FBI crime statistics and the CDC death stats.

One important fact of life that people like the McMichaels need to know: Blacks will resist even if they’re unarmed and you have a gun. The whole BLM movement was founded on such cases. Once this happens, you have to shoot — there’s no other option, otherwise your assailant may take your gun and use it on you. You may feel you’re morally right, but once you pull that trigger, your life as you know it is over. From then on it’s homicide charges, death threats, civil suits, etc.

Which is why some form of segregation will come back.

Why would that lead to the return of segregation.

How on Earth can you say the video doesn’t prove self defence! What was he supposed to do, let the jogger take the gun from him?

The video really is a Rorschach inkblot

Yeah, psychiatrists could use it diagnose mental retardation if the subject sympathizes with the **gger.

But the Swedes did not KNOW it was criminal sexual penetration, as they did not KNOW their whole arrangement or situation. She wasn’t asking for help, they just ASSUMED it was criminal. As I said, Brock could have been her husband or had explicit written consent. What happened to staying out of other peoples bedroom? Minding your own business? These are Devil’s Advocate questions because BOTH Turner and Arbery deserved to be held until police arrived. If Turner had been black, he would have assaulted the Swedes and *they would still be in prison because the sexual victim would fear speaking against Turner, and would have gone along with the mob to lynch the “racist” Swedes.

Brock is a scummy guy and so is Arbery. They were both held by private citizens on suspicion of criminal behavior. One was dumb enough to go for another man’s gun. He chose his own demise.

Now, some wealthy conservative needs to put up some dough for a talented conservative guy to make a video. The theme? What I outlined above.

You hire a dozen black actors who dress up in current revolutionary black power stuff to parade down the street, four abreast, while brandishing AK47’s. Some crisis actor (tip of the hat to Paul Craig Roberts) White peoples line the sidewalks screaming and shaking their fists at the black soldiers. One white person sporting a MAGA hat bolts from the sidewalk and takes on one of the black warriors, trying to wrestle his long gun from his hands. The black panther manages to break free enough to shoot the protesting white far-right extremest, killing him. (Apparently, it’s all stage acting)

Now the video is made available to the MSM. They go hog wild. Here’s a crazed Trump fanatic attacking an innocent black man who is simply exercising his Constitutional Rights to peaceful assembly and freedom of expression. They take the bait.

And then all is revealed as being a hoax. Simply an inversion of the current madness. Egg on face of our media.

C’mon, Let’s go for it. We’re not winning battles any other way, by being respectful of the truth or being nice guys. Maybe it’s time we took a page from their playbook, went on the offensive. What have we got to lose? If we can’t blind them with our brilliance, we can at least baffle them with THEIR OWN bullshit.

Charge someone holding a gun? You know what they say: Run toward a gun, away from a knife.

Something to be said for that if you know they intend to shoot (as in the example you gave). But you seem to have forgotten (which I mentioned explicitly in my comment) about the other man covering the situation with another gun. Are YOU really going to charge in that situation? It’s not like you are going after Adam Lanza and trying to save kid’s lives by risking your own. Once you charge two armed men it is highly likely someone is going to die. And it would probably be you.

I watched that video again, for the umpteenth time.

Did you watch the longer video? Because that had several important details.

There were some break-ins and thefts (or at least two) in the McMichaels’ neighborhood in the months preceding the incident. There was no evidence–evidence, not suspicion–to connect Arbery with those burglaries.

There is a reason I keep saying to watch the longer video. I guess there was no evidence if you don’t count video. There are also more McMichaels – Arbery connections which should be of interest to anyone concerned with actually trying to understand what happened.

But legal cases aren’t decided on how unfair it is for the press to vilify white people. They’re decided on actual evidence.

That is true (hopefully). What I am passing judgment on is the press trying to use a situation like this to vilify white people.

Of course I haven’t. It’s none of my goddamned business, nor yours, nor that of the idiot current occupant of the Sulzberger throne who hath decreed that it shall be discussed among all bien pissants.

Which is why you are here making comments based on your lack of knowledge of the situation.

That’s what juries are for, and all the other rigamarole that kicks in if the juries screw it up.

That’s the theory. Which is why it so so infuriating that the media is making a spectacle out of the incident based on their false narrative of it. And it is such the coincidence that we are getting this six months before an election.

The probable cause line refers to the fect that it’s really you and I and Nebula here on trial, not some random rednecks. It’s a show trial on trumped-up charges with not even the pretense any more of legitimacy, and yet still y’all insist on pleading your own case without counsel.

Not sure what exactly you mean here (your oblique style becomes tiresome after a while). But are you saying we should just stand aside and let the media do what they are doing here without comment?

“It’s not illegal in Georgia to stand in the middle of the street with a gun in your hands.”
No, I guess not, but that is not what happened. The white guys “initiated conflict” when they pursued him with two vehicles and tried to trap him while displaying guns.

At that point, his choices were to :

-run away and hope they didn’t shoot him in the back or run him over with a truck

-allow himself to be taken prisoner by two angry strangers with guns, and trust them not to do violence to him

-actively confront them

He chose Door Number 3, to his misfortune.
He may have done this because he was foolish, impulsive, high on something, terrified, had a bad temper, a guilty conscience, or something else. We will never know.

I agree that a murder charge is a stretch, but the decision not to arrest these fellows immediately is just plain embarrassing.

“It’s not uncommon for unfinished houses to lure the curious.”

Well, now we know who was at fault. The house.

Finished houses also lure the curious. This is known as burglary.

The technique you describe is old enough to have its own Latin tag

Suppressio veri, suggestio falsi
Ballentine’s Law Dictionary
Definition:
The suppression of truth is the suggestion of falsehood.

turns out the pennslyvania trans-shim removed its mother from her nursing home while the state was implementing its plan to kill all seniors via bringing covid to nursing homes. could be a big story.

That sounds interesting. But to whom are you referring, please?

In contrast to Arbery’s shooting…

Man bites dog.

this second interracial killing case has gotten virtually zero national media attention through Tuesday morning…

Dog bites man.

…even though it’s fairly spectacular in scale and quite curious in motive.

This kind of curiosity can also kill a cat.

BadWhites shouldn’t give up because GoodWhites will never realize their mistakes even as that mistake is sawing off their head with a rusty knife. BadWhites need to become REALLYBadWhites once again

Brilliant column, SS.

The MSM’s constant fanning of the flames of racial resentment is just about as wicked & foolish as it gets.

Somebody needs to write a book about it.

Suggested title: Fanning the Flames.

Suggested author: You.

Through a series of unfortunate events in my family, including three deaths, one of them a bloody murder, I have recently come into a little money, and I’m wondering what it would cost me to get you to meld all of the great stuff you’ve already written on these issues into a finished & polished book.

No kidding – I’m quite serious.

In both the Covington kids and Ahmaud, there is a video that shows the exact opposite of what the left first claims it does.

In this case, the ahmaud video, it obviously shows a suspcious black man running down the street chucking stolen goods down. Then he attacks and tries to wrest the gun that is being legally carried from a law abdiding citizen.

Its hard to imagine what else could have been going on to turn the two shooters into murderers.

As far as I can tell from noodling around with GoogleMaps, somewhere between 8 miles and 15 miles away.

That would mean that he would have jogged between 16 and 30 miles had he finished. It would be interesting to know the route that he took just to see how jogger friendly it is.

Searches for his mother turn up ‘Brunswick, Ga’ as an address. The nearest point of the City of Brunswick to the Satilla Shores neighborhood is six miles. However, Satilla Shores is in a neighboring zone the postal service also refers to as ‘Brunswick, Ga’, so he could have been living closer.

Oh yeah…that story really fits the profile of white on black killings (dad kills daughter.)

On a different topic, I just came upon this story:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/13/us/louisville-police-emt-killed-trnd/index.html

The “Kentucky EMT” portion of the headline and the picture of the woman in her EMT uniform gave me the initial impression that an EMT worker was killed by the cops in the line of duty. Which isn’t good.

But wait…this killing wasn’t in the line of duty. She was killed when her boyfriend engaged in a shootout with police at her house. They had a warrant, and the boyfriend had been previously charged with attempted murder against a police officer…and was being allowed to take a home incarceration option until his trial in late June (presumably because of the coronavirus threat, though I can’t say for sure.)

So when did a black person’s job become relevant within the context of a headline after a police action or shooting? I mean, there’s only so much space in a headline…you’d think that it would be reserved for the most critical pieces of information, so I’m wondering why CNN thought one of the most important or critical pieces of information in this case was that the woman worked as an EMT? Did Freddie Gray or Eric Garner have their occupation (or lack of one) included in headlines of their stories from CNN? Or Walter Scott?

It’s true that if a physician or serviceman is killed they might include the occupation in the headline, but for more ordinary jobs like EMT, not so much. Anyway, when someone tallies up the number of killings that happen because violent suspects needed to be protected against the pandemic, it’ll be shocking. In the meantime, the media thinks the world’s greatest travesty of justice is that Paul Manafort has been released to home because confinement of the coronavirus.

Greg McMichael will be found guilty and jailed or you can expect mass violence, basically sanctioned by the MSM. Elites had to make sure blacks were fired up to vote in November, and those two gave em’ all the help the elite’ needed.
Sheldon C Francis is responsible for twice as many deaths as Greg McMichael, and he tried to take many more (of cops), but nobody will remember his name.

I totally agree with you that BadWhites need to become Really BadWhites but I don’t see any perspective of that happening.

Thank you, res.

How about saving one’s own life?

I agree that a murder charge is a stretch, but the decision not to arrest these fellows immediately is just plain embarrassing.

They clearly acted in self defense.

Not necessarily true. Research the Tueller Drill. San Diego cop who came up with it. Within 20 feet an attacker with a knife can fatally stab a cop before he fires.

There are defensive moves… flop on your back and shoot, shoulder roll and shoot. But most cops are terrible at these tactics and shooting in general.

No, we don’t. We’re not a middle income country (we are nearly the most affluent), extractive industries account for just 3% of value-added in this economy, and the economic performance we’ve had over the last 25 years bears no resemblance to what happened in Venezuela over the period running from 1970 to 1995.

It’s like “pre-crime”. It’s always best to shoot unarmed **ggers ahead of time, BEFORE they have a chance to grab your gun and shoot you. If you shoot all passing **ggers, they’ll never be able to commit multiple murders, not once.

If Arbery was planning to execute a surprise attack on Travis (a man who could be clearly seen carrying a shotgun), why would he have dropped the only weapon that he had before charging at him?

**= jo

Honestly, I don’t know who was planning to do what to whom that evening, but if everyone had stayed home they would have all been better off.

Well, it means never admitting to a Conservative that you’re wrong, among themselves they might be more flexible once their principles aren’t being challenged anymore.

Searches for his mother turn up ‘Brunswick, Ga’ as an address. The nearest point of the City of Brunswick to the Satilla Shores neighborhood is six miles. However, Satilla Shores is in a neighboring zone the postal service also refers to as ‘Brunswick, Ga’, so he could have been living closer.

I don’t know the exact neighborhood where Arbery was killed, but from the map I saw, it appears to be across the Sidney Lanier Bridge, which I don’t think allows joggers. I’m not sure how one would get all the way out to near Jekyll Island from Brunswick without crossing that bridge, without taking a good detour around the marshes and swamps. There may be some back roads that I don’t know, but it wouldn’t be a simple straight shot.

People who run 12 or more miles usually run regularly, so it would be interesting to know if ran the local races. He would be know if he did.

We will never know

Actually, we kinda do know. Since he came up from behind the truck, he could see papa in the bed of the truck, armed. He tangles with the son knowing the father is covering the son. ‘Impetuous’ might be the word you’d use.

Don’t forget the infamous Police Squad shootout of 1982.

If you were going to attack someone who was carrying a gun (a risky endeavor to begin with, especially if he is with a friend who is also carrying a gun) then why would you first throw down your only weapon (supposedly the stolen item was a hammer)? To make it a more sporting fight? I realize that Arbery was perhaps not the sharpest knife in the drawer but that doesn’t seem like the thing to do in such a situation. Either you throw away the stolen item and run (excuse me, jog) like hell or else you attack the guy with the gun but not both.