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My new column in Taki’s Magazine is about how the single data point of the Trans School Shooter exemplifies a medium size trend, the F to M mania, which is the craziest illustration of a large trend: the rise in mental illness among young women.

Seeds of Discontent
Steve Sailer

March 29, 2023

Mass shootings represent masculinity at its most toxic.

Hence, we shouldn’t get carried away trying to discern important societal trends in the sample size of a single woman-bites-dog mass shooting in Nashville, in which a troubled young woman shot up her old Christian elementary school.

Moreover, I’m writing before the Nashville shooter’s manifesto or the name of the other school she had planned to attack is made public. All I know at present is that the police chief said that she had “some resentment for having to go to that school.”

Still…this was at least the third school or workplace public shooting of the past half decade to feature a real-life female who claimed to be male, as the Nashville shooter did intermittently. Another F-to-M shot up a Colorado school in 2019 because the kids made fun of her desire to be a man, and a third killed four coworkers in Maryland in 2018.

(In case you are wondering, I can’t find any reporting on whether any of these shooters were shooting up with testosterone.)

The only thing amusing about this tragic incident is that The New York Times, The Washington Post, and the Associated Press all strenuously avoided using any pronouns, masculine or feminine, when referring to mass shooter Audrey/Aiden Hale. Nobody can accuse the Gray Lady of misgendering a mass murderer!

Read the whole thing there.

By the way, the press still can’t agree on the burning question of proper pronouns. The Washington Post is going with “their:”

NASHVILLE — The attacker who killed six people at a small Christian school in Nashville had been receiving treatment for “an emotional disorder” and hid several weapons from their parents before opening fire, police said Tuesday.

While the New York Times laboriously avoids pronouns altogether:

The authorities said on Tuesday that the 28-year-old perpetrator had legally purchased seven firearms recently — including the three used in the shooting — and was being treated by a doctor for an emotional disorder. Chief John Drake of the Metropolitan Nashville Police Department said that the assailant’s parents had felt that their child “should not own weapons” and believed that their child did not.

 
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  1. Nobody can accuse the Gray Lady of misgendering a mass murderer!

    And thank God for that. Because while mass murders are really totally bad, the real tragedy would be if…..

    • LOL: fish
    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    @Renard

    um, if a Federal judge who ruled in favor of applying the wrong pronouns to a convict, if that judge were permitted to address a group of students at, say, Stanford Law School?

    That would be a real tragedy

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  2. The tranny is so yesterday, Steve.

    The Texting World has moved on to the New Reality.

    Cat Women are Putin Agents. Storage of cat videos is stopping the flow of ammunition to our brave zio-nazis in The Ukraine.

    One of Europe’s largest ammunition manufacturers has said efforts to meet surging demand from the war in Ukraine have been stymied by a new TikTok data center that is monopolizing electricity in the region close to its biggest factory

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/european-ammo-makers-growth-stymied-tiktok-data-center-sucking-electricity

    • Replies: @tyrone
    @Bill Jones


    Storage of cat videos is stopping the flow of ammunition to our brave zio-nazis in The Ukraine.
     
    .....Well, what do you expect when Greta Doomsberg is in charge of energy policy......clown world .....
    , @Prester John
    @Bill Jones

    "The tranny is so yesterday".

    Yes indeed. Didn't take long either, did it? What's next? Bestiality? Sound crazy? Not at all. After all, we live in "Progressiveland", where EVERYTHING is on the menu!

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Bill Jones


    Cat Women are Putin Agents.
     
    Including Pussy Rioters? Talk about 4D шахматах!
  3. My new column in Taki’s Magazine:

    Here’s my new column, same as the old column.

    • Agree: Realist
    • Disagree: James N. Kennett
  4. Misgendering is what the media does

    Correctly gendering, that’s the real thought crime here

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Maciano


    Correctly gendering, that’s the real thought crime here
     
    How does one "gender" in a language that lacks it? "Misgendering" would be calling Quebec elle, or saying die Mädchen.

    The charge is mispronomialism. Yes, that term is ridiculous, as befits the crime.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Maciano


    Misgendering is what the media does

    Correctly gendering, that’s the real thought crime here.
     

    The mistake in both cases is use of the word "gender". Gender is a grammatical term. Their is no "gender", hence there can be no "misgendering". The relevant biological term is "sex". There are two of them, male and female. People are one or the other of them, starting at conception, and remain so for their entire life.

    If you want to rescue your culture from insanity, stop using the screwed-up language of these insane cultural vandals.

    Replies: @†

  5. It just sucks, no matter who the perpetrator is. It’s hard to find words bad enough for the people who do these things.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Orange

    "It just sucks, no matter who the perpetrator is. It’s hard to find words bad enough for the people who do these things."

    It's even harder to find sympathy for them.

  6. Another victim of the so-called sexual revolution. It seems (although it is not certain) that at 28 she was still living with her parents. 28 ! In the 50’s, she would have been married in her early 20’s, would have already had 2 children.
    No transgender fantasies, no emotional disorder. No loneliness and sexual misery.
    She wasn’t very pretty, but she would have found someone to match.
    She would have learned to be feminine, she wouldn’t have dressed like an antifa moron.

    • Replies: @Ebony Obelisk
    @Dragoslav

    He 50s were a hellhole for anyone not a white male christian

    Don’t you fools understand that your fake racist bigoted mysoginistic white breads World is what caused this mess?

    This tragedy wouldn’t have happened if bigots like you had not made the persons life a living hell

    We the People are getting tired of bigotry so expect more lashing out. It’s unfortunate but if you keep poking the bear dont be surprised when things like this happen

    Replies: @Dr. X, @AceDeuce, @Reg Cæsar, @BenjaminL, @TWS

    , @Travis
    @Dragoslav

    even in the sixties the majority of women were married by age 23. While marriage rates fell in the 80s and 90s, young unmarried females during the 1990's typically had a romantic partner. In contrast today 25% of American females under the age of 30 have not gotten laid in the past year. Rates of sexual activity declined with the millennials and has declined even more over the last decade. The lack of pair bonding and lack of romantic partners is one of the factors causing the rise of mental illness among American females. Millennials and Gen Z are getting less sex than their great grandparents. This lack of sexual activity among young females has resulted in increased rates of depression and anxiety. Unfortunately American men no longer have the testosterone levels required to bang below average looking females. Testosterone levels tof wenty year-old men today are lower than 65 year old males from 25 years ago. Thus the lack of pair bonding is a result of declining testosterone levels which makes men less sexually active, thus lowering the ability of females to get laid.

    Replies: @J, @YetAnotherAnon, @Corvinus, @Vinnyvette, @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    , @Jack D
    @Dragoslav

    In trying to evade her gender, the NY Times called her a "child" (they couldn't bear to say "their daughter"). In no other society in human history would you call a 28 year old woman a "child". Even if you had to evade mention this woman's gender, they would have said "offspring" or something. Child brings to mind a minor, not a grown ass woman.

    Replies: @Vinnyvette, @tyrone

    , @Yakov Shekelstein
    @Dragoslav

    4chan has a great meme “victims of feminism,” where old sluts like the women who subscribed to the Sex and the City urban skank lifestyle are mercilessly mocked. There needs to be a new theme “victims of LGBT.”

    , @Dutch Boy
    @Dragoslav

    I find it significant that the parents referred to her as their child. Most people would refer to a twenty-eight year-old woman as their daughter.

    Replies: @Dumbo

    , @Anonymous
    @Dragoslav

    "She wasn’t very pretty, but she would have found someone to match.
    She would have learned to be feminine, she wouldn’t have dressed like an antifa moron."

    You are pointing to one of the greatest lies of our times.
    The truth is that if a woman....
    isn't outright crazy,
    doesn't mutilate her body,
    makes a somewhat active effort to be healthy,
    and makes a somewhat active effort to have a positive attitude...
    she will most likely find a guy who feels like meeting her is the best thing ever.

    Actively working at the healthy and positive attitude stuff helps,
    but trusting herself and being herself and making a somewhat positive effort to actually find the guys who might like her helps even more.

    Pretty much the same applies to guys too, in principle, athough it is true that current social norms render some men enemployable (some women too, but less so), and that is a real problem.

  7. @Bill Jones
    The tranny is so yesterday, Steve.

    The Texting World has moved on to the New Reality.

    Cat Women are Putin Agents. Storage of cat videos is stopping the flow of ammunition to our brave zio-nazis in The Ukraine.

    One of Europe’s largest ammunition manufacturers has said efforts to meet surging demand from the war in Ukraine have been stymied by a new TikTok data center that is monopolizing electricity in the region close to its biggest factory
     
    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/european-ammo-makers-growth-stymied-tiktok-data-center-sucking-electricity

    Replies: @tyrone, @Prester John, @Reg Cæsar

    Storage of cat videos is stopping the flow of ammunition to our brave zio-nazis in The Ukraine.

    …..Well, what do you expect when Greta Doomsberg is in charge of energy policy……clown world …..

  8. The perp in Maryland, “Snochia Moseley”, certainly might have felt misgendered – not seen a chest as flat as that on a woman. Are we sure she wasn’t really male?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Probably had a top surgery (mastectomy). Or was binding, as most of them do before they can get operated on, starting in their early teens already.


    As for the Nashville shooter, rumor has it she was also a budding furry. Shocking.

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @Alfa158
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Another 46 x,y DSD sufferer like Caster Semanya and possibly Britney Griner? The condition is most often found among males of African heritage, but not exclusively.

  9. @Maciano
    Misgendering is what the media does

    Correctly gendering, that’s the real thought crime here

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Mr. Anon

    Correctly gendering, that’s the real thought crime here

    How does one “gender” in a language that lacks it? “Misgendering” would be calling Quebec elle, or saying die Mädchen.

    The charge is mispronomialism. Yes, that term is ridiculous, as befits the crime.

    • Thanks: Fidelios Automata
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Reg Cæsar

    Die Mädchen works, though, because the plural form of Mädchen is Mädchen. In fact the only variant is singular genitive Mädchens.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  10. • Replies: @Dumbo
    @Dream

    Ridiculous. There were Mexican cops in Nashville too, including Collazo which is a Latino name. The only difference is that the Nashville hoax was slightly better organized, but not by much.

    Replies: @DCThrowback

  11. I’m keeping quiet on this event until I see the manifesto and know if she was put on drugs recently

    Looking at the video, she seems to be a fan of Paula Poundstone, who I also love, and she seems rather tame

    I can’t imagine the person in the video doing this crime unless some pharma drugs were involved

    And you know if pharma drugs were involved we’ll never have that discussion

    So it’s all pointless

    Now to read your article

    • Agree: Chrisnonymous
    • Replies: @Cato
    @Thoughts


    I can’t imagine the person in the video doing this crime unless some pharma drugs were involved
     
    Also my view. She was under treatment for "emotional problems". Whatever drug she was taking to regulate her emotions did nothing to help her suppress her rage and self-loathing.
  12. Don’t underestimate interracial relationships and how badly that can affect white girl psychology

    Many women only find members of their own race attractive

    So when you see white guys dating EVERYONE with abandon

    Well….

    You may as well shoot yourself…or someone else

    I would put interracial relationships over social media in importance…

    But that won’t happen because men don’t want to talk about why their wife is asian and not white

    • Replies: @Unintended Consequence
    @Thoughts

    You're obviously a troll. White male is an ambiguous term that encompasses several distinct ethnic groups. For instance, many of the "white" males married to Asians are Jewish. Others are extreme types like Mitch McConnell who may never have even had a date if it weren't for Elaine Chow. I'd think, of the non Jewish white population, more were pairing off with latinas than Asians. The population is still large enough that this mostly goes unnoticed, i.e. "whites" haven't run out of men. My observation is that the pairing off isn't at all random. The average white guy is still marrying the average white gal. Nerdier types are the ones marrying Asians for the most part. It's probably no coincidence that such males don't attract as many of their own females. It might be interesting to predict which personality traits are involved because a mass exodus from a gene pool will leave results. These guys are outliers though so may be their absence won't be so obvious. In other words, we don't want them back because we didn't value these males overmuch to begin with.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Anon, @Captain Tripps

  13. OT — From Ellis Items: A petition that top level AI research be halted immediately (with government intervention if necessary) has been signed by about 1200 people, including Steve Wozniak and Elon Musk.
    https://www.reuters.com/technology/musk-experts-urge-pause-training-ai-systems-that-can-outperform-gpt-4-2023-03-29/
    Old China Hand Orville Schell says Chinese military action is going from possible through probable to — he won’t say “likely.” Yet.
    Xi Jinping has urged his generals to “dare to fight” and spoken frequently of war in speeches to the big fake-but-representative parliament they hold once a year.
    https://archive.ph/qrBqG

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @J.Ross


    Old China Hand Orville Schell says Chinese military action is going from possible through probable to — he won’t say “likely.” Yet.
    Xi Jinping has urged his generals to “dare to fight” and spoken frequently of war in speeches to the big fake-but-representative parliament they hold once a year.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FgykoiAxR8
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88_boq1hIII
    , @Cato
    @J.Ross


    A petition that top level AI research be halted immediately (with government intervention if necessary) has been signed by about 1200 people, including Steve Wozniak and Elon Musk.
     
    If you are not worried about AI, you should wake yourself up by reading Nick Bostrom's "Superintelligence".

    A fair number of AI developers are guessing that we might hit AGI by the end of 2023 (check out Siqi Chan on Twitter). GPT-5 will probably be out around December.
  14. Her pronoun was his, so using their is misgendering.

  15. @Reg Cæsar
    @Maciano


    Correctly gendering, that’s the real thought crime here
     
    How does one "gender" in a language that lacks it? "Misgendering" would be calling Quebec elle, or saying die Mädchen.

    The charge is mispronomialism. Yes, that term is ridiculous, as befits the crime.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Die Mädchen works, though, because the plural form of Mädchen is Mädchen. In fact the only variant is singular genitive Mädchens.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @J.Ross

    Mädchen is neuter because the suffix -chen, cognate with English -kin, is always neuter. Likewise, -lein is always feminine.

    Do the Twains and others who mock the language know this much?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @†

  16. It’s like how some shark species can morph into being both male and female in order to continue the species when a mate is not available

    If all the white guys date outside their race…

    Then average looking white women have to resign themselves to being alone for their entire lives…yet they still have the urge to have children

    So then…

    They pull a Shark Move…and become both Male and Female because then they can team up in Female Female Pairs and use a sperm donor and satisfy their biological desires

    Except…except…they now use drugs after watching tik tok/youtube videos that have terrible side effects…

    I just solved the entire problem.

    You’re welcome Steve!

    Social Media is the second problem, but the first is Interracial Marriage depleting the number of White Men on the Market and demoralzing coming of age white girls because they grow up seeing these interracial pairings and know that they don’t have a place

  17. @YetAnotherAnon
    The perp in Maryland, "Snochia Moseley", certainly might have felt misgendered - not seen a chest as flat as that on a woman. Are we sure she wasn't really male?

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/09/20/21/5078660A00000578-6189673-image-a-46_1537474251052.jpg

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Alfa158

    Probably had a top surgery (mastectomy). Or was binding, as most of them do before they can get operated on, starting in their early teens already.

    As for the Nashville shooter, rumor has it she was also a budding furry. Shocking.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Anonymous

    People in the know say it can be very difficult to distinguish many clothed F to M persons from a biological male if they started early. This is reportedly due to the strong effects of testosterone. Apparently it is much more difficult to fake it in the other direction.

    A lot of these people have some very androgynous facial features and gym muscles which also are a certain standard of male attractiveness. So they blend together and then who knows? They can use an 'accessory' called the stand to pee device and fake it in the mens room.

    We have a lot of first world problems around here.

  18. @Dragoslav
    Another victim of the so-called sexual revolution. It seems (although it is not certain) that at 28 she was still living with her parents. 28 ! In the 50's, she would have been married in her early 20's, would have already had 2 children.
    No transgender fantasies, no emotional disorder. No loneliness and sexual misery.
    She wasn't very pretty, but she would have found someone to match.
    She would have learned to be feminine, she wouldn't have dressed like an antifa moron.

    Replies: @Ebony Obelisk, @Travis, @Jack D, @Yakov Shekelstein, @Dutch Boy, @Anonymous

    He 50s were a hellhole for anyone not a white male christian

    Don’t you fools understand that your fake racist bigoted mysoginistic white breads World is what caused this mess?

    This tragedy wouldn’t have happened if bigots like you had not made the persons life a living hell

    We the People are getting tired of bigotry so expect more lashing out. It’s unfortunate but if you keep poking the bear dont be surprised when things like this happen

    • LOL: Chrisnonymous
    • Troll: tyrone
    • Replies: @Dr. X
    @Ebony Obelisk


    He 50s were a hellhole for anyone not a white male christian
     
    Good.
    , @AceDeuce
    @Ebony Obelisk


    We the People are getting tired of bigotry(sic) so expect more lashing out. It’s unfortunate (sic) but if you keep poking the bear dont (sic) be surprised when things like this happen (sic)
     
    Most people would look at your ineptitude regarding simple punctuation, as shown above, and think that you're an idiot solely based on that--and they'd be right. But your vile post eclipses your poor grammar.

    To extend your stupid analogy, dangerous bears that show up in a human community are usually dispatched in short order. Careful what you wish for.

    Replies: @Ebony Obelisk

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Ebony Obelisk


    He 50s were a hellhole for anyone not a white male christian
     
    It got a little better by 1960:


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1HoVF6iv7OE


    And way better by 1967:


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A3yCcXgbKrE&list=RDEMlYgHBuj4YPQucEM7PKHh5A&start_radio=1

    Replies: @njguy73

    , @BenjaminL
    @Ebony Obelisk

    Tiny Duck, is that you?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @TWS
    @Ebony Obelisk

    Perhaps you could give the shuck and jive a rest when kids are killed?

    Minstrel shows are all well and good in a Blazing Saddles sort of way but are inappropriate here.

    Your larping has a time and place. Don't over-commit to the gag.

  19. @Dragoslav
    Another victim of the so-called sexual revolution. It seems (although it is not certain) that at 28 she was still living with her parents. 28 ! In the 50's, she would have been married in her early 20's, would have already had 2 children.
    No transgender fantasies, no emotional disorder. No loneliness and sexual misery.
    She wasn't very pretty, but she would have found someone to match.
    She would have learned to be feminine, she wouldn't have dressed like an antifa moron.

    Replies: @Ebony Obelisk, @Travis, @Jack D, @Yakov Shekelstein, @Dutch Boy, @Anonymous

    even in the sixties the majority of women were married by age 23. While marriage rates fell in the 80s and 90s, young unmarried females during the 1990’s typically had a romantic partner. In contrast today 25% of American females under the age of 30 have not gotten laid in the past year. Rates of sexual activity declined with the millennials and has declined even more over the last decade. The lack of pair bonding and lack of romantic partners is one of the factors causing the rise of mental illness among American females. Millennials and Gen Z are getting less sex than their great grandparents. This lack of sexual activity among young females has resulted in increased rates of depression and anxiety. Unfortunately American men no longer have the testosterone levels required to bang below average looking females. Testosterone levels tof wenty year-old men today are lower than 65 year old males from 25 years ago. Thus the lack of pair bonding is a result of declining testosterone levels which makes men less sexually active, thus lowering the ability of females to get laid.

    • Agree: Paleo Retiree
    • Replies: @J
    @Travis

    Testosterone levels of twenty year-old men today are lower than 65 year old males from 25 years ago. If true, that is alarming. Testosterone should be added to beer or whatever.

    Replies: @possumman

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Travis

    "In contrast today 25% of American females under the age of 30 have not gotten laid in the past year.
    American men no longer have the testosterone levels required to bang below average looking females. "


    This is terrible and appalling news, indeed a national crisis. However I'm sure there are plenty of ... more mature chaps shall we say... who would selflessly step up to the plate in a national emergency.

    (You have to remember that to an ancient guy ANY woman under 30 who's not a whale is above average.)

    But this can only be a temporary (while enjoyable) fix. I think we need a Testosterone Commission.

    , @Corvinus
    @Travis

    “Millennials and Gen Z are getting less sex than their great grandparents. This lack of sexual activity among young females has resulted in increased rates of depression and anxiety.”

    You mean among young men and women. Which, in reality, is desirable for civilization building—no sec outside of marriage. That’s what God fearing Christians have ultimately sought. You know, the ones who voted for Trump.

    , @Vinnyvette
    @Travis

    Mentally ill American women aren’t getting laid because they don’t want to put out. There are two types

    A) No man is good enough / hates men

    B) Even a five in makeup thinks she’s entitled to Tom Brady or George Clooney: Tall, ripped, wealthy, famous, GQ cover model looks. He damn well better have all of these traits, because she deserves theee best!

    Men are more than willing to hit it and quit it. But don’t want to stick around. They avoid these women “because” they
    are head cases. Women aren’t head cases because they don’t have access to willing men. All they have to do is swipe right on Tinder and unless they are hideous land whales, can get laid on demand, with average guys, who are still above them in sexual market value, but women all think they are entitled to the top 10 - 20 %. If they can’t have the best they can’t be bothered.

    The ones still putting out are on the C@ck carousel enjoying the ride, until they smack the wall, reality sets in. Then they want some chump to settle down with them.
    Men are on to the game, and it’s rigged in women’s favor.

    Low T is a cope. So is always blaming the men, that’s what women do.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @AnotherDad, @Meretricious

    , @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco
    @Travis

    The lack of sexual activity among our youth is one cause of the decline in marriage rates and the decline in fertility. Romantic relationships lead to marriage and children. Today’s young Americans under the age 0f 25 are mostly still living home and do not have a romantic partner, thus they are not having sex. this lack of pair bonding has serious consequences for young women. They have a short window to attract a marriage partner. The lack of a romantic partner results in depression, anxiety and loneliness.

    Replies: @Anon

  20. I recall the ‘I hate Mondays’ female school shooter of many years back.

    She seemed to have started the whole genre off.

  21. By the way, the press still can’t agree on the burning question of proper pronouns.

    Oddly, they didn’t seem to have that problem with the last two FtM mass shooters.

    The CBS story on Maya McKinney ostentatiously parades around he/him pronouns for the murderess, only noting near the end of the story that there might be a little asterisk on all the he-ing and him-ing they’ve indulged in.

    The putatively rightwing Daily Mail does dare call murderess Snochia Moseley “she” but only by pre-emptively shielding themselves with the invocation:

    At present, it is not known if she did commence hormone therapy, or if Moseley, known to friends as ‘Sno’, used male or female pronouns.

    Whew! Covered all their bases there: physical threshold (“commence hormone therapy”) unmet, own pronoun use unclear, … they even randomly throw in her nickname to make it all seem very collegial and familiar. Stay bold, Daily Mail!

    Maybe the Nashville murderess killing little children rather than teenagers or adults makes her especially egregious, so the press don’t want to draw attention to the tranny angle.

    The Daily Mail’s Snochia Moseley story did forthrightly cover the fact that in spite of having the highest body count of the three, her fellow blacks were full of sympathy for the killer:

    ‘I just believe this was emotional distress. If she did this, it was her last straw’

    Other friends paid tribute to her on social media, claiming she had been consumed by mental illness and had reached out for help multiple times before shooting at her colleagues.

    One friend, who asked to remain anonymous, told the Sun he was at first appalled to hear about the shooting, but immediately felt heartbroken when he discovered who was behind it.

    ‘It’s catastrophic,’ he said. ‘She did a terrible thing, but I feel for her.

    ‘The first thing you think is, “This person is horrible,” because you have a bias. But knowing someone, I believe everyone is human. Everyone is going through something.’ [emphasis added]

    That’s intersectionality for you, I guess.

    By contrast, Maya McKinney’s intersectionality of mental illness/female/tranny didn’t get her much. Life sentence plus 38 years, … and she got to sit through unusually vituperative vicitm testimony:

    “I’ll never forgive you, I hate you.” …

    “My only wish is to see you dead, burning in hell.” …

    “I hope that you suffer.” …

    “You were born a mistake,” …

    “You are such a failure and always will be… you are a waste of tax dollars.” … etc.

    Don’t get me wrong. I would be at least as vituperative were I in their shoes (and probably even more personal and specific), but the point is that throughout the testimony,

    McKinney was crying the entire time

    I guess the testosterone had worn off by then.

    • Thanks: Paul Jolliffe
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Almost Missouri

    Maya/Alec McKinney's father is a Mexican illegal immigrant and violent criminal. Maybe she'd have fared better if she'd used his last name and emphasized those intersectional points more? Oh well, guess we'll never know.

  22. OT but time off for a sec, from the silliness of O tempura! O morays! for just a little bit of greatness…

    A gentle and rather subtle cover of the greatest Beatles song of all time….

    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?&q=youtube+morgan+james+come+together&docid=608010019331245411&mid=2F57FBE45239EE14B4352F57FBE45239EE14B435&view=detail&FORM=VDRVRV&ajaxhist=0

  23. The shooter went to that school I see. Brilliant job the Christcucks are doing in raising the next generation of Christian children!

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Anon

    Christ had his Judas.

    Replies: @Anon

  24. You mention Yglesias and his observation that progressives encourage the opposite of CBT in the article. This was actually a point Jonathan Haidt has been making for quite some time. I’m sure you know that but I wanted to direct readers to his important insights on this issue:

    https://jonathanhaidt.substack.com/

    I’ve come up with a model of what’s driving this mass neurosis/hysteria.

    Progressivism assumes a hierarchy of truth, with the subjective feeling being at the top. In other words, all you can trust is your gut instinct; it’s the only thing you can count on to be real. Everything else out there is arbitrarily designated this or that and is inherently suspect.

    Its really an extreme form of nominalism.

    CBT is helpful because it rejects this assumption and teaches patients to question the feeling. It teaches people to think in a dialectical manner rather than defer always to the feeling.

    So let’s say you’re a girl/young woman who is having a hard time because you don’t fit in. Maybe you like girls and you see the pretty ones going for handsome jocks. You develop envy, and desire what the jocks have, which becomes a desire to be one of them. This desire becomes a feeling that this is what you are really meant to be: a man.

    Because of progressive nominalism, that feeling is the one true thing about you. So-called objective facts are merely social conventions, constructed by others to keep you in a subordinate position.

    Examining this line of reasoning, it’s clear that the thoughts are taking a back seat to the feelings. It isn’t that no intellection is taking place, but rather that it’s subordinate to the emotional impulse.

    So the process goes like this:

    Step 1

    Feeling -> thought -> conclusion

    Step 2

    Evaluate conclusion for how it makes you feel. Does it A validate or B question feeling?

    Step 3

    If A proceed from conclusion; if B abort thought process and return to step 1

    Repeat this process over and over and you can become so detached from reality that you’ll actually think you can change your biological sex.

    CBT doesn’t deny the importance of feelings, but it places reason on an equal level. If reason contradicts one’s feelings, questioning them is the right thing to do, and can adjust one’s emotional state to better match reality.

    I have a teenage daughter who doesn’t really fit in. She’s very bright, a bit of a late bloomer and shy. She’s also in the minority where she goes to school (most are Asian) and lives in a pretty messed up family situation. I do what I can; I moved to this borderland economic wilderness just to be there for her and her brother, but alas she doesn’t live with me.

    I suppose she’d be at high risk for falling into the progressive thought patterns, but she’s thriving. How did that happen? Well, for one thing I made sure to spend every bit of time I could with her, and I made it count: for the last few years I explained that she could be her own master if she put some effort into it, and I taught her how. Man did it pay off. Now Asian tiger moms are paying her good money to tutor their kids and she isn’t even out of high school.

    So maybe part of the problem is that dads aren’t putting in enough effort – or not being allowed – to teach their daughters good sense. Of course another part is female dominance in education. Women just tend to have more faith in their intuition, and when they utterly dominate an institution it will lose masculine perspective. Finally it’s the smartphones. You can find validation for whatever you’re feeling at any time online, and social media, as explained so well by Jaron Lanier, is explicitly designed to do so.

    Altogether a perfect storm of factors has combined to pervert young minds, but happily the cure is not all that complicated:

    1. More engaged fathers

    2. More men in education

    3. Restrict children’s access to social media

    Finally I’d add that the primitive, childish and irrational philosophical basis of progressivism must be laid bare for all to see, but that’s of little practical use for families in the here and now.

    • Agree: James N. Kennett
    • Thanks: JR Ewing, res
    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Bill P


    You can find validation for whatever you’re feeling at any time online, and social media, as explained so well by Jaron Lanier, is explicitly designed to do so.
     
    Well said!
    , @Rooster16
    @Bill P

    The problem I see around here is not that most dads aren’t engaged, but rather they’re what I call “Star Wars Cucks”. The men are led around by their liberal wives/girlfriends, most are rabid leftists and at best center-left, many tend to have beards which I suspect is a way for them to subconsciously feel somewhat masculine (see, I’m a man, I have a beard!) They consider anyone who is right-leaning a redneck, and for some reason they have an abundance of Star Wars shirts; I think it’s kind of like a new-age religion to them.

    With fathers like this, it’s basically like having two mothers in the house. It may even be worse, because the perception of this man as being masculine gives a warped view of masculinity and reinforces the mixed messages they’re getting from the outside world.

    I think we’ll ultimately get to a point where men need to be men again, but it won’t come from a social revolution. It will be out of necessity as the world we live in becomes more black/brown. When you’re forced to live amongst a violent culture, you can no longer survive being weak. Latrelle doesn’t care that you identify as a feminist and vote for his best interests, he’s going to take what he can from you and you need to be able to defend yourself.

    Replies: @Corn

    , @Jack D
    @Bill P

    Your daughter is very fortunate, not only to have you as a father but also to have these natural gifts. People with high IQs tend to have better outcomes. It's not a sure thing but it helps. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people who are not so gifted and it's harder for them. It's nice to think that everyone has some skill or talent that they can tap into if not brains, but unfortunately a lot of people never find their niche.

    My daughter had a similar HS experience. She never had to do the babysitting / cashier/ menial job thing because she was making serious $ doing tutoring instead. It's very empowering to know that even at a young age you have some valuable skill and are never going to have to struggle among the undifferentiated masses as long as you cultivate your talent. Again, this is a gift - not everyone can know this with confidence.

    However, if she attends some competitive college, the picture is going to change. EVERYONE at her college (even the AA students relatively speaking) was an academic star in HS or they wouldn't be there. Some of those people will be well beyond her - if you are in playing in the Big Leagues you are going to meet some future Hall of Famers. And the level of the material that is being taught is going to be a lot more challenging. This (combined with being away from home, the workload, etc.) can mess with your head. So keep watching out for her (I know that you will) and make sure she gets whatever help, counseling, etc. that she needs.

    Replies: @Goddard, @Bill P

    , @Poirot
    @Bill P

    Interesting comment.

    Haven’t read the book, but I knew about the CBT stuff from watching Haidt’s co-author, Greg Lukianoff, give interviews/talks.

    Here he appears with Haidt to talk about their book. Lukianoff starts out from his personal experiences with depression and attempted suicide, and the help that CBT provided him with: https://www.c-span.org/video/?450784-1/the-coddling-american-mind

    Here he is interviewed by Robert Wright of Bloggingheads.tv: https://bloggingheads.tv/videos/60394

    , @puttheforkdown
    @Bill P


    Now Asian tiger moms are paying her good money to tutor their kids and she isn’t even out of high school.

     

    Get her to sabotage the tutoring so those Asian kids do poorly and their parents consider heading back to their own country. Everyone wins!
  25. I wrote the comment below back in June, regarding another of Steve’s periodic posts on the trans phenomenon (I believe he was noticing the violent egoism of the M-to-F species). It seems appropriate in the present case, too, especially in the suggestion that transsexualism is a kind of monster-creation:

    “Transgenderism is not ultimately an “exchange” of one sexual identity for another, but rather seems to result in an amalgamation of the worst personality aspects of both sexes: the brutality and self assertion of men, with none of the restraint; the manipulativeness and vanity of women, with none of the grace (or beauty—let’s be honest).

    “This combination might, in fact, be some sort of definition of the superman (or more likely, superhuman) who defies mediocre convention, and lives beyond human norms (including the norm of male/female). Steve’s citation of the transgender’s sense of innate superiority might support this view.

    “Nietzsche described his superman as a combination of spiritual opposites: Caesar with the soul of Christ. Our carnal age may have located superhumanity in some unholy combination of Idi Amin and Tonya Harding. Monsters of the masculine and feminine ego.”

    • Thanks: Kylie
    • Replies: @Vinnyvette
    @ChrisZ

    This combination might, in fact, be some sort of definition of the superman (or more likely, superhuman) who defies mediocre convention, and lives beyond human norms.

    In the world of psychiatry, they are called narcissists.

  26. @Renard

    Nobody can accuse the Gray Lady of misgendering a mass murderer!
     
    And thank God for that. Because while mass murders are really totally bad, the real tragedy would be if.....

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind

    um, if a Federal judge who ruled in favor of applying the wrong pronouns to a convict, if that judge were permitted to address a group of students at, say, Stanford Law School?

    That would be a real tragedy

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Inquiring Mind

    https://twitter.com/s_decatur/status/1640893495312281602

    https://twitter.com/FailureProdigal/status/1640769697170726928

  27. I worked for eccentric filmmaker who had a lot of rules. One of them was “No Pronouns.”
    He never wanted to hear “he said,” or “they.”
    “Who are THEY?” he would explode, exasperated. “Who the f*** are “They”?
    “He who? Who said? No Pronouns!”
    It’s actually a pretty good rule.

    • Replies: @martin_2
    @woodsie

    Yes. It is surely bad manners to refer to a person as "he" or "she" when they are in your presence and you are referring to them to a third party. I would either use their name or use a phrase like "this gentleman" or "this lady" if I was, say, serving them in a shop.

  28. There is no “rise” in mental illness among young women, only better diagnoses combined with lack of physical exercise.

    • Agree: Paleo Retiree
  29. Steve, if reliable information is available, it could potentially be very interesting to see the incidence of F-to-M transgender identification and the incidence of female typical disorders like anorexia and cutting plotted on the same chart. A decline in the latter as the former rose would be extremely suggestive, and the implication immediately clear even to those not otherwise given to Noticing.

    • Agree: mc23
  30. Nobody can accuse the Gray Lady of misgendering a mass murderer!

    This is such nonsense and exemplifies well the whole point of the pronoun game, that it’s not to “be nice” to someone, it’s to force them to use certain approved speech and proscribe their own personal opinions.

    Again, the only pronouns that belong to you and are “yours” are the first and second person ones. Call yourself whatever you like and maybe you might get a friend or two to agree to play games with “we” and “you” but that’s it.

    (And good luck getting a stranger to quit speaking basic English when he speaks to you for the first time.)

    The remaining third person pronouns – the one the trannies care so deeply about – are called “third person” because they don’t involve the tranny. The tranny doesn’t get a vote because the tranny isn’t the one talking and the tranny isn’t being talked to. The tranny is being talked about using predetermined rules of something called “language”. And that’s what the trannies hate so much, because that’s where their deceit is laid bare.

    You would think newspapers would know this… and maybe the point is that they actually do.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  31. “By the way, the press still can’t agree on the burning question of proper pronouns.”

    Can’t make it up…you really can’t.

    The phrase “fiddling while Rome burns” comes to mind.

  32. “the rise in mental illness among young women.”

    Is it mental illness? Or is it an extreme example of women’s inclination to seek attention as well as participate in the latest social trends?

    The problem with labeling every poor behavior as “mental illness” is that it becomes an excuse for the behavior. It’s relinquishes the individual from responsibility for their actions.

    Lots of videos out there of mostly females blaming the Nashville shooting on the Tennessee’s law, as well as taunting the parents of the three children who were murdered. Are those people also mentally ill? Because they are condoning the actions of another individual who is labelled mentally ill.

    These people are degenerate and nihilistic, but they aren’t crazy in a clinical sense.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Mike Tre

    Have you read about the Great Awakening? This is the Great Awokening. It's a religious movement and there is no arguing or reasoning with it.

    Now you know how the old pagan stalwarts must have felt around 300 AD. The One God drives out the Many Gods, only to be evicted in His turn by the Null-God.

    This Null-God religion has a strange set of values indeed: abortion, homosexuality, gender dysphoria, self-mutilation, narcissism, self-pity, dependency.

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Mike Tre

    Hearty •Agree.


    These people are degenerate and nihilistic, but they aren’t crazy in a clinical sense.
     
    Not only nihilistic, but narcissistic.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Mike Tre

  33. @Bill Jones
    The tranny is so yesterday, Steve.

    The Texting World has moved on to the New Reality.

    Cat Women are Putin Agents. Storage of cat videos is stopping the flow of ammunition to our brave zio-nazis in The Ukraine.

    One of Europe’s largest ammunition manufacturers has said efforts to meet surging demand from the war in Ukraine have been stymied by a new TikTok data center that is monopolizing electricity in the region close to its biggest factory
     
    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/european-ammo-makers-growth-stymied-tiktok-data-center-sucking-electricity

    Replies: @tyrone, @Prester John, @Reg Cæsar

    “The tranny is so yesterday”.

    Yes indeed. Didn’t take long either, did it? What’s next? Bestiality? Sound crazy? Not at all. After all, we live in “Progressiveland”, where EVERYTHING is on the menu!

  34. At what point do smart people like Steve and his readers/commenters begin to openly discuss the possibility that these events are orchestrated by intelligence agencies, in association with mental health professionals, to push an agenda?

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @Nietzsche Guevara


    At what point do smart people like Steve and his readers/commenters begin to openly discuss the possibility that these events are orchestrated by intelligence agencies, in association with mental health professionals, to push an agenda?
     
    We're not so lazy and weak as to rely on such an obvious cope.

    While some of these events are suspicious (LV), or result in things that look suspicious (the Sandy Hook murderer turning his victims into hamburger by doing half to full rifle mag dumps into them), we don't need the crutch of positing a specific controlling puppet master behind all or most of these events to understand the inevitable results of an uncontrolled demolition of a society at least a century in the making.

    You want us to entertain your obsession? Cite some evidence, by which I mean facts or near enough, instead of making a broad sweeping claim which comes across as "Squirrel!" to me.
    , @J.Ross
    @Nietzsche Guevara

    The criticism to make here is that this doesn't get us anywhere: we can't "prove" it, there are no logical next steps if we could, the whole thing is totally effected anyway by simply being a moral traditional person who takes everything you hear with a grain of salt.
    If you want to follow this there are claims, such as the various elite clubs and their plans for the future, there are precedents such as the early Bolshviks or Weimar, and of course going by logic it makes perfect sense: they want us unable to interfere with them. Trannies are politically neutered. They are the ideal big pharma consumer, dependent on drugs for the rest of their short lives, but they have nothing to say to the unelected bureaucracy. Their politics consists of people-punishing hooliganism such as we have seen, punching down not up. They will never spread beyond a certain level but they can cause disproportionate damage, even if only as a humiliation ritual.

  35. Childless women go crazy at a much higher rate than anyone else.. the order they get without children the greater the chance of mental illness

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @propagandist hacker

    "Childless women go crazy at a much higher rate than anyone else."

    Didn't use to be that way. WWI in the UK left a lot of unmarried "maiden aunts" and childless brides whose young men had been killed, despite that they generally led useful and productive lives.


    It's fifty-one spring-times since she was a bride,
    And still you may see her at each Whitsuntide
    In a dress of white linen and ribbons of green,
    As green as her memories of loving.

    The feet that were nimble tread carefully now,
    As gentle a measure as age do allow,
    Through groves of white blossom, by fields of young corn,
    Where once she was pledged to her true love.

    The fields they stand empty, the hedges grow free,
    No young men to tend them or pastures go see.
    They have gone with the forests of oak trees before
    Had gone to be wasted in battle.

    Down from their green farmlands, and from their loved ones
    Marched husbands and brothers, and fathers and sons.
    There's a fine roll of honour where the Maypole once stood,
    And the ladies go dancing at Whitsun.
     
    "Many of the old ladies who swell the membership lists of Country Dance Societies are 1914/18 war widows, or ladies who have lost fiancés and lovers. Country dancing kept the memory of their young men alive. When Shirley Collins started singing the piece to the tune of The False Bride, the impact was disturbing, for many people in audiences identified with it. Tears were frequent. "
  36. Did Sailer write about the two previous f to m tranny mass murders? I don’t remember reading about them anywhere else either. Was I out of the country (which I also don’t recall)? Maybe I was abducted by aliens both times, lost time, etc, etc.

  37. @Bill P
    You mention Yglesias and his observation that progressives encourage the opposite of CBT in the article. This was actually a point Jonathan Haidt has been making for quite some time. I'm sure you know that but I wanted to direct readers to his important insights on this issue:

    https://jonathanhaidt.substack.com/

    I've come up with a model of what's driving this mass neurosis/hysteria.

    Progressivism assumes a hierarchy of truth, with the subjective feeling being at the top. In other words, all you can trust is your gut instinct; it's the only thing you can count on to be real. Everything else out there is arbitrarily designated this or that and is inherently suspect.

    Its really an extreme form of nominalism.

    CBT is helpful because it rejects this assumption and teaches patients to question the feeling. It teaches people to think in a dialectical manner rather than defer always to the feeling.

    So let's say you're a girl/young woman who is having a hard time because you don't fit in. Maybe you like girls and you see the pretty ones going for handsome jocks. You develop envy, and desire what the jocks have, which becomes a desire to be one of them. This desire becomes a feeling that this is what you are really meant to be: a man.

    Because of progressive nominalism, that feeling is the one true thing about you. So-called objective facts are merely social conventions, constructed by others to keep you in a subordinate position.

    Examining this line of reasoning, it's clear that the thoughts are taking a back seat to the feelings. It isn't that no intellection is taking place, but rather that it's subordinate to the emotional impulse.

    So the process goes like this:

    Step 1

    Feeling -> thought -> conclusion

    Step 2

    Evaluate conclusion for how it makes you feel. Does it A validate or B question feeling?

    Step 3

    If A proceed from conclusion; if B abort thought process and return to step 1

    Repeat this process over and over and you can become so detached from reality that you'll actually think you can change your biological sex.

    CBT doesn't deny the importance of feelings, but it places reason on an equal level. If reason contradicts one's feelings, questioning them is the right thing to do, and can adjust one's emotional state to better match reality.

    I have a teenage daughter who doesn't really fit in. She's very bright, a bit of a late bloomer and shy. She's also in the minority where she goes to school (most are Asian) and lives in a pretty messed up family situation. I do what I can; I moved to this borderland economic wilderness just to be there for her and her brother, but alas she doesn't live with me.

    I suppose she'd be at high risk for falling into the progressive thought patterns, but she's thriving. How did that happen? Well, for one thing I made sure to spend every bit of time I could with her, and I made it count: for the last few years I explained that she could be her own master if she put some effort into it, and I taught her how. Man did it pay off. Now Asian tiger moms are paying her good money to tutor their kids and she isn't even out of high school.

    So maybe part of the problem is that dads aren't putting in enough effort - or not being allowed - to teach their daughters good sense. Of course another part is female dominance in education. Women just tend to have more faith in their intuition, and when they utterly dominate an institution it will lose masculine perspective. Finally it's the smartphones. You can find validation for whatever you're feeling at any time online, and social media, as explained so well by Jaron Lanier, is explicitly designed to do so.

    Altogether a perfect storm of factors has combined to pervert young minds, but happily the cure is not all that complicated:

    1. More engaged fathers

    2. More men in education

    3. Restrict children's access to social media

    Finally I'd add that the primitive, childish and irrational philosophical basis of progressivism must be laid bare for all to see, but that's of little practical use for families in the here and now.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Rooster16, @Jack D, @Poirot, @puttheforkdown

    You can find validation for whatever you’re feeling at any time online, and social media, as explained so well by Jaron Lanier, is explicitly designed to do so.

    Well said!

  38. @Dragoslav
    Another victim of the so-called sexual revolution. It seems (although it is not certain) that at 28 she was still living with her parents. 28 ! In the 50's, she would have been married in her early 20's, would have already had 2 children.
    No transgender fantasies, no emotional disorder. No loneliness and sexual misery.
    She wasn't very pretty, but she would have found someone to match.
    She would have learned to be feminine, she wouldn't have dressed like an antifa moron.

    Replies: @Ebony Obelisk, @Travis, @Jack D, @Yakov Shekelstein, @Dutch Boy, @Anonymous

    In trying to evade her gender, the NY Times called her a “child” (they couldn’t bear to say “their daughter”). In no other society in human history would you call a 28 year old woman a “child”. Even if you had to evade mention this woman’s gender, they would have said “offspring” or something. Child brings to mind a minor, not a grown ass woman.

    • Agree: Dr. X
    • Thanks: Peter Johnson
    • Replies: @Vinnyvette
    @Jack D

    In trying to evade her gender, the NY Times called her a “child” (they couldn’t bear to say “their daughter”). In no other society in human history would you call a 28 year old woman a “child”. Even if you had to evade mention this woman’s gender, they would have said “offspring” or something. Child brings to mind a minor, not a grown ass woman.

    Anyone who has convinced themselves they can change their biological sex from birth has the “mind of a child.” She was anything but a grown ass woman mentally.

    , @tyrone
    @Jack D


    Child brings to mind a minor, not a grown ass woman.
     
    .....She wanted to be a "kid for ever and ever".......neoteny is a feature of todays young adults in addition to mental problems .
  39. When the shooting and the killing starts, arguing about pronouns of cross dressers is peak silliness.

  40. @Dragoslav
    Another victim of the so-called sexual revolution. It seems (although it is not certain) that at 28 she was still living with her parents. 28 ! In the 50's, she would have been married in her early 20's, would have already had 2 children.
    No transgender fantasies, no emotional disorder. No loneliness and sexual misery.
    She wasn't very pretty, but she would have found someone to match.
    She would have learned to be feminine, she wouldn't have dressed like an antifa moron.

    Replies: @Ebony Obelisk, @Travis, @Jack D, @Yakov Shekelstein, @Dutch Boy, @Anonymous

    4chan has a great meme “victims of feminism,” where old sluts like the women who subscribed to the Sex and the City urban skank lifestyle are mercilessly mocked. There needs to be a new theme “victims of LGBT.”

  41. @Bill P
    You mention Yglesias and his observation that progressives encourage the opposite of CBT in the article. This was actually a point Jonathan Haidt has been making for quite some time. I'm sure you know that but I wanted to direct readers to his important insights on this issue:

    https://jonathanhaidt.substack.com/

    I've come up with a model of what's driving this mass neurosis/hysteria.

    Progressivism assumes a hierarchy of truth, with the subjective feeling being at the top. In other words, all you can trust is your gut instinct; it's the only thing you can count on to be real. Everything else out there is arbitrarily designated this or that and is inherently suspect.

    Its really an extreme form of nominalism.

    CBT is helpful because it rejects this assumption and teaches patients to question the feeling. It teaches people to think in a dialectical manner rather than defer always to the feeling.

    So let's say you're a girl/young woman who is having a hard time because you don't fit in. Maybe you like girls and you see the pretty ones going for handsome jocks. You develop envy, and desire what the jocks have, which becomes a desire to be one of them. This desire becomes a feeling that this is what you are really meant to be: a man.

    Because of progressive nominalism, that feeling is the one true thing about you. So-called objective facts are merely social conventions, constructed by others to keep you in a subordinate position.

    Examining this line of reasoning, it's clear that the thoughts are taking a back seat to the feelings. It isn't that no intellection is taking place, but rather that it's subordinate to the emotional impulse.

    So the process goes like this:

    Step 1

    Feeling -> thought -> conclusion

    Step 2

    Evaluate conclusion for how it makes you feel. Does it A validate or B question feeling?

    Step 3

    If A proceed from conclusion; if B abort thought process and return to step 1

    Repeat this process over and over and you can become so detached from reality that you'll actually think you can change your biological sex.

    CBT doesn't deny the importance of feelings, but it places reason on an equal level. If reason contradicts one's feelings, questioning them is the right thing to do, and can adjust one's emotional state to better match reality.

    I have a teenage daughter who doesn't really fit in. She's very bright, a bit of a late bloomer and shy. She's also in the minority where she goes to school (most are Asian) and lives in a pretty messed up family situation. I do what I can; I moved to this borderland economic wilderness just to be there for her and her brother, but alas she doesn't live with me.

    I suppose she'd be at high risk for falling into the progressive thought patterns, but she's thriving. How did that happen? Well, for one thing I made sure to spend every bit of time I could with her, and I made it count: for the last few years I explained that she could be her own master if she put some effort into it, and I taught her how. Man did it pay off. Now Asian tiger moms are paying her good money to tutor their kids and she isn't even out of high school.

    So maybe part of the problem is that dads aren't putting in enough effort - or not being allowed - to teach their daughters good sense. Of course another part is female dominance in education. Women just tend to have more faith in their intuition, and when they utterly dominate an institution it will lose masculine perspective. Finally it's the smartphones. You can find validation for whatever you're feeling at any time online, and social media, as explained so well by Jaron Lanier, is explicitly designed to do so.

    Altogether a perfect storm of factors has combined to pervert young minds, but happily the cure is not all that complicated:

    1. More engaged fathers

    2. More men in education

    3. Restrict children's access to social media

    Finally I'd add that the primitive, childish and irrational philosophical basis of progressivism must be laid bare for all to see, but that's of little practical use for families in the here and now.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Rooster16, @Jack D, @Poirot, @puttheforkdown

    The problem I see around here is not that most dads aren’t engaged, but rather they’re what I call “Star Wars Cucks”. The men are led around by their liberal wives/girlfriends, most are rabid leftists and at best center-left, many tend to have beards which I suspect is a way for them to subconsciously feel somewhat masculine (see, I’m a man, I have a beard!) They consider anyone who is right-leaning a redneck, and for some reason they have an abundance of Star Wars shirts; I think it’s kind of like a new-age religion to them.

    With fathers like this, it’s basically like having two mothers in the house. It may even be worse, because the perception of this man as being masculine gives a warped view of masculinity and reinforces the mixed messages they’re getting from the outside world.

    I think we’ll ultimately get to a point where men need to be men again, but it won’t come from a social revolution. It will be out of necessity as the world we live in becomes more black/brown. When you’re forced to live amongst a violent culture, you can no longer survive being weak. Latrelle doesn’t care that you identify as a feminist and vote for his best interests, he’s going to take what he can from you and you need to be able to defend yourself.

    • Agree: Corn
    • Replies: @Corn
    @Rooster16

    Well said.

  42. OT but exceeding iSteve:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/29/bollywood-fair-skin-obsession-drove-me-away-priyanka-chopra-jonas

    She told how actors such as her who were classified as “dusky” were treated. “I was lightened up in many movies. Through makeup and then blasting lighting. There was a song which I still remember. It was called Chitti Dudh Kudi which means a girl who is as white as milk and I ain’t that but I was playing her and I was really lightened up in the movie,” she said.

    She said fair-skinned female actors stood a better chance of being chosen and of doing well while even a star such as her faced discrimination. “If you were darker – I’m not even that dark – for darker girls it was: ‘Let’s lighten you up.’

    Chopra expressed regret over having appeared in an ad for a fairness cream early in her career. In the ad she played a dark-skinned flower seller who has a crush on a young man who ignores her. The moment she applies the fairness – or skin-lightening – cream, he shows an interest in her.

    Chopra said she now felt such ads were damaging to the self-esteem of Indians with dark skin and that she had agreed to it because big beauty brands provided visibility and income for female stars. “A beauty brand is a really big part of an actress’s trajectory,” she said.

    A 2019 World Health Organization report revealed that skin-lightening products accounted for more than half of India’s skincare market.

    It does seem to have an association with higher status.

    “Never have I seen such a man. He is of the Plains—but pale-coloured—a Brahmin of the Brahmins.”

    OT again – European sanctions on Russian energy really are a suicide pact. Tectonic plates are shifting:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidblackmon/2023/03/28/the-old-world-order-for-crude-oil-is-disappearing/

    Russian Energy Minister Nikolai Shulginov said on Tuesday that his country has now been able to redirect all of its crude oil exports that have been impacted by Western sanctions over Ukraine to what he referred to as “friendly” countries. “I can say today that we have managed to completely redirect the entire volume of exports affected by the embargo. There was no decrease in sales,” Shulginov was quoted by Reuters as saying.

    There is no question that Russia’s fellow members of the increasingly influential BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa) Alliance have played a major role in helping the Putin government to achieve this outcome. India was the biggest buyer of Urals grade crude in March, accounting for almost 50% of all such exports. Russia’s Deputy Prime Minister, Alexander Novak, stated that Russia’s sales to India have risen 22-fold over the past year.

    In a separate story in early March, Reuters reported that China’s seaborne imports of Russian crude were set to hit new record highs in March, based on ship tracking data.

    No country has expressed greater interest in conducting business with the BRICS group than Saudi Arabia has in recent months. In March of last year, the Wall Street Journal reported that the Kingdom had been engaged in talks with China about the possibility of conducting some of its oil sales using the Chinese Yuan as the currency. Such a move would disrupt the long-existing oil order that has used the U.S. dollar, or “petro-dollar,” as the currency of mark for international oil trades since 1973.

    More recently, at the World Economic Forum in Davos in January, Saudi Finance Minister Mohammed Al-Jadaan told reporters that his country is open to trading in currencies besides the U.S. dollar. “There are no issues with discussing how we settle our trade arrangements, whether it’s in the U.S. dollar, the euro, or the Saudi riyal,” Al-Jadaan said, as reported by Yahoo News.

    Saudi Arabian relations with China have been strengthening in other areas during 2023. One major signal of the growing relationship was the news early in March that the Kingdom had agreed to re-establish diplomatic relations with long-time rival Iran following negotiations hosted not by the United States, but by China.

  43. the emergence of the smartphone and social media were a disaster for adolescent girls.

    Was? Or “and of social media?”

    I bought and am half through Half Blood Prince. One of Cashill’s arguments about the authorship of Dreams is that in his few other known works before international fame and fortune, Obama frequently flubs subject-verb agreement. You give Cashill pretty short shrift (I was convinced without reading BO’s & Ayers’ damn book), but I don’t know who published what first. Has BO hisself said or written anything this century with half the sophistication and average sentence length of Dreams? Is he hiding his light under a bushel, or just lazy?

  44. @Bill P
    You mention Yglesias and his observation that progressives encourage the opposite of CBT in the article. This was actually a point Jonathan Haidt has been making for quite some time. I'm sure you know that but I wanted to direct readers to his important insights on this issue:

    https://jonathanhaidt.substack.com/

    I've come up with a model of what's driving this mass neurosis/hysteria.

    Progressivism assumes a hierarchy of truth, with the subjective feeling being at the top. In other words, all you can trust is your gut instinct; it's the only thing you can count on to be real. Everything else out there is arbitrarily designated this or that and is inherently suspect.

    Its really an extreme form of nominalism.

    CBT is helpful because it rejects this assumption and teaches patients to question the feeling. It teaches people to think in a dialectical manner rather than defer always to the feeling.

    So let's say you're a girl/young woman who is having a hard time because you don't fit in. Maybe you like girls and you see the pretty ones going for handsome jocks. You develop envy, and desire what the jocks have, which becomes a desire to be one of them. This desire becomes a feeling that this is what you are really meant to be: a man.

    Because of progressive nominalism, that feeling is the one true thing about you. So-called objective facts are merely social conventions, constructed by others to keep you in a subordinate position.

    Examining this line of reasoning, it's clear that the thoughts are taking a back seat to the feelings. It isn't that no intellection is taking place, but rather that it's subordinate to the emotional impulse.

    So the process goes like this:

    Step 1

    Feeling -> thought -> conclusion

    Step 2

    Evaluate conclusion for how it makes you feel. Does it A validate or B question feeling?

    Step 3

    If A proceed from conclusion; if B abort thought process and return to step 1

    Repeat this process over and over and you can become so detached from reality that you'll actually think you can change your biological sex.

    CBT doesn't deny the importance of feelings, but it places reason on an equal level. If reason contradicts one's feelings, questioning them is the right thing to do, and can adjust one's emotional state to better match reality.

    I have a teenage daughter who doesn't really fit in. She's very bright, a bit of a late bloomer and shy. She's also in the minority where she goes to school (most are Asian) and lives in a pretty messed up family situation. I do what I can; I moved to this borderland economic wilderness just to be there for her and her brother, but alas she doesn't live with me.

    I suppose she'd be at high risk for falling into the progressive thought patterns, but she's thriving. How did that happen? Well, for one thing I made sure to spend every bit of time I could with her, and I made it count: for the last few years I explained that she could be her own master if she put some effort into it, and I taught her how. Man did it pay off. Now Asian tiger moms are paying her good money to tutor their kids and she isn't even out of high school.

    So maybe part of the problem is that dads aren't putting in enough effort - or not being allowed - to teach their daughters good sense. Of course another part is female dominance in education. Women just tend to have more faith in their intuition, and when they utterly dominate an institution it will lose masculine perspective. Finally it's the smartphones. You can find validation for whatever you're feeling at any time online, and social media, as explained so well by Jaron Lanier, is explicitly designed to do so.

    Altogether a perfect storm of factors has combined to pervert young minds, but happily the cure is not all that complicated:

    1. More engaged fathers

    2. More men in education

    3. Restrict children's access to social media

    Finally I'd add that the primitive, childish and irrational philosophical basis of progressivism must be laid bare for all to see, but that's of little practical use for families in the here and now.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Rooster16, @Jack D, @Poirot, @puttheforkdown

    Your daughter is very fortunate, not only to have you as a father but also to have these natural gifts. People with high IQs tend to have better outcomes. It’s not a sure thing but it helps. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people who are not so gifted and it’s harder for them. It’s nice to think that everyone has some skill or talent that they can tap into if not brains, but unfortunately a lot of people never find their niche.

    My daughter had a similar HS experience. She never had to do the babysitting / cashier/ menial job thing because she was making serious $ doing tutoring instead. It’s very empowering to know that even at a young age you have some valuable skill and are never going to have to struggle among the undifferentiated masses as long as you cultivate your talent. Again, this is a gift – not everyone can know this with confidence.

    However, if she attends some competitive college, the picture is going to change. EVERYONE at her college (even the AA students relatively speaking) was an academic star in HS or they wouldn’t be there. Some of those people will be well beyond her – if you are in playing in the Big Leagues you are going to meet some future Hall of Famers. And the level of the material that is being taught is going to be a lot more challenging. This (combined with being away from home, the workload, etc.) can mess with your head. So keep watching out for her (I know that you will) and make sure she gets whatever help, counseling, etc. that she needs.

    • Replies: @Goddard
    @Jack D

    Great advice.

    , @Bill P
    @Jack D

    Having a good daughter is such a blessing it's hard to explain. Of course I'd be there for any girl and accept her, but this one makes it so rewarding.

    I've already had the talk with her about how it will be out there in the wider world. I encourage her to go for it and head out east because although I know she'll be humbled it will bring out the best in her. In a way circumstances have already humbled her, and that's an advantage she'll have over many intellectual peers.

    But you're right about the continuing support. I can't let up yet. Probably not for a few years.

    Replies: @Jack D, @YetAnotherAnon

  45. The demand made by the woke, whether it be race or sex, is that rather than individuals alter their behavior it is society’s responsibility to change for the benefit of relatively small numbers of people. Failure of society to do so is oppression, and the appropriate response is acting out in displeasure and renewed demands for society to be forced to change. Not only is this unfair to the vast majority of people, but it creates an itch that can never be scratched for the supposed victims – anything short of perfection means there is more ‘work’ to be done, and thus more angst and demands.

    Obviously this has disastrous effects for blacks in particular, but the assault on minors is just as grotesque. It teaches the opposite of resiliency, which is a critical skill in normal human relationships and work. And for the unfortunates who fall into the clutches of the ‘gender affirming’ ghouls, it seems self-evident to me that interfering with the normal physical development of an immature human through drugs will obviously produce lifelong consequences, aside from treating a scientific impossibility.

    • Agree: Old Prude, Renard
    • Thanks: William Badwhite
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Arclight

    As for the use of drugs (hormones), keep in mind that we don't know whether they were being used in this case or not.

    Also, while society rightly concerns itself with the care of minors, if you are talking about adults (this woman was 28) then generally speaking medical care decisions should be made between a patient and their doctor without the "help" of busybodies from the internet. This may not be your cup of tea, but perhaps it was hers. Even if she was receiving hormone therapy, becoming violent in this way must be a very rare side effect and probably is not connected to her behavior at all.

    Currently in The Atlantic, there is a column written by a grieving father who lost his six year old son. He says (somewhat vaguely) that the cause of death was "a household accident, one likely brought on by a rare cerebral-swelling condition". I don't know quite what that means, but somehow a bunch of internet trolls picked up on this child's death and attributed it to the vax (the boy's doctors say it was in no way vax related) and sent a multitude of cruel messages to the family. This seems to be a thing now. We saw it after Damar Hamlin's near death experience too. If any vaccinated person dies prematurely, there are people waiting in the wings to blame their death on the vax.

    The father comes to the same conclusion that I did - that this is a way people can reduce their own anxiety. Instead of thinking "this could happen to me and my family", which is a frightening thought, you find some difference between your family and the family of the unfortunate, so now you can say instead, " this could NEVER happen to me and my family, because this family did X and I would never do X." This person is now the OTHER who is different from you and so, not only do you have nothing to fear but you can taunt them for their "foolish" behavior that you would never do.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Arclight, @martin_2, @AnotherDad

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Arclight


    And for the unfortunates who fall into the clutches of the ‘gender affirming’ ghouls, it seems self-evident to me that interfering with the normal physical development of an immature human through drugs will obviously produce lifelong consequences, aside from treating a scientific impossibility.
     
    Sadly, the "gender affirmers" (i.e. sexual mutilators) won't stop until they are duly prosecuted. This can't happen until things are called by their true names.

    "child gender affirmation" =true name=> sexual assault of a minor

    "gender affirmation surgery" =true name=> aggravated sexual assault

    "gender care clinic" =true name=> conspiracy to commit sexual assault

    "trans rights" =true name=> child grooming

    "drag queen story hour" =true name=> pedo groomer conspiracy

    As far as I know, every US state and every civilized nation has some form of statute against "corruption of a minor" or "gross sexual imposition" or similar on its books right now. There is nothing stopping any prosecutor from wielding those laws right now except media hypnosis.

    Similarly, every such jurisdiction with civil law recognizes some form of private cause of action against "sexual assault" or similar. In the US it's probably somehow a Civil Rights issue too. There is nothing stopping parents of targeted children or young adults who were targeted as children from using those laws right now. They just have to understand what happened in their true terms, not in the media's deceptive terms.

    The tools are there. The causes are there. All that is missing is the understanding and then the will.

    Plenty of promising products have become unmarketable after losing a single court case. Sexual mutilation in the name of liberation is a product with little or no promise and plenty of abuse. If any of the tort attorneys were actually serious about their claims to be "protecting the public", they would be swarming onto this mass atrocity like flies onto sh*t. But they're not, because they're really just greedy, conformist phonies. Still, one or a handful of actual crusading lawyers—if such exist—could make "gender reassignment surgery" unpracticable in their jurisdiction.

    Until they feel the lash of of legal consequence, the sexual mutilators will continue cutting their bloody swathes through the nation's youth.

    Replies: @Arclight, @Jack D, @Mike Tre

    , @AnotherDad
    @Arclight


    The demand made by the woke, whether it be race or sex, is that rather than individuals alter their behavior it is society’s responsibility to change for the benefit of relatively small numbers of people. Failure of society to do so is oppression, and the appropriate response is acting out in displeasure and renewed demands for society to be forced to change. Not only is this unfair to the vast majority of people, but it creates an itch that can never be scratched for the supposed victims – anything short of perfection means there is more ‘work’ to be done, and thus more angst and demands.
     
    Bingo--terrific paragraphy Arclight.

    That's the gist of this whole toxic minoritarian enterprise. Instead of organic normality--the majority has its culture and norms, which various weirdo minorities can chose to get along with or just clear the hell out, we have this silly slimy notion that it is the normal people who have to adapt to various troublesome whiny minorities.

    This tranny nonsense is minoritarianism raised to utter parody. You'd think it was some corner case thought experiment that I had cooked up to mock the whole minoritarian enterprise. But no. After 60 years of relentless propaganda, minoritarianism is so entrenched our elites are actually imposing objectively crazy people on us as another victim group we sad sack white-bread normies must stop oppressing and cater to.

    "You can't make this up" was coined for occasions like this.


    My take is this tranny thing--including this attack--are the perfect vehicle for conservatives to press the attack against the whole stinking minoritarian enterprise.

    Normal people get that this stuff is nuts and that they should not be catering to or taking abuse from these obnoxious whiny loons. It is the perfect "gateway" for pushing forward and pointing out that we normies should not be catering to minorities, period. But rather have politics and policies, culture and community that best maintain and reproduces ourselves, our families, our nation.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    , @Corvinus
    @Arclight

    “The demand made by the woke, whether it be race or sex, is that rather than individuals alter their behavior it is society’s responsibility to change for the benefit of relatively small numbers of people”

    Looks like you need to adjust your line of thinking.

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/393197/same-sex-marriage-support-inches-new-high.aspx

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/468401/majority-say-gov-ensure-healthcare.aspx

  46. @Jack D
    @Dragoslav

    In trying to evade her gender, the NY Times called her a "child" (they couldn't bear to say "their daughter"). In no other society in human history would you call a 28 year old woman a "child". Even if you had to evade mention this woman's gender, they would have said "offspring" or something. Child brings to mind a minor, not a grown ass woman.

    Replies: @Vinnyvette, @tyrone

    In trying to evade her gender, the NY Times called her a “child” (they couldn’t bear to say “their daughter”). In no other society in human history would you call a 28 year old woman a “child”. Even if you had to evade mention this woman’s gender, they would have said “offspring” or something. Child brings to mind a minor, not a grown ass woman.

    Anyone who has convinced themselves they can change their biological sex from birth has the “mind of a child.” She was anything but a grown ass woman mentally.

  47. Mentally ill person shoots up a school. Duh.

    In 2015 a girl who was pretending to be a boy cut the throat of a grandmother in the local grocery store ice cream aisle.

    Eight years on society is still cheering for these deranged girls. If you don’t want to join in the celebration you are a hateful bully.

  48. Matthew Yglesias notes how depression is recently worse among teenage girls who see themselves as Democrats and progressives.

    One of the reasons Democrats and Progressives are so depressed is that many of them actually believe global warming is going to end human life on this planet within their lifetime. I can understand someone pretending to believe this for political reasons, i.e., the Obamas with their beachfront properties, but the true believers accept our inevitable doom as a fact. They will state it as the reason they don’t want to have children. It’s such a stupid reason that I suspect it’s just a rationalization that they use to impress their peers.

    I foresee a lot of trouble ahead but it didn’t stop me from having children.

    • Replies: @Corn
    @Harry Baldwin

    I’ve always viewed “global warming”/“climate change” as a scam. Shocks me how many liberals on Twitter will cite that as a reason not to have kids or why they’re not having children.

    “Bring children into this doomed world with climate change??!!”

    , @Stan Adams
    @Harry Baldwin

    During the Cold War, how many leftists chose not to have children because they believed nuclear war was inevitable? “Reagan’s gonna get us all nuked anyway, so what’s the point?”

    I wonder how many impressionable whites sincerely believe that failing to reproduce is atonement for the grievous sins of racism, colonialism, etc.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose

  49. I also find it shocking that this is the second mass shooting involving Presbyterians in recent years. I do remember a few years back some members of a Taiwanese Presbyterian church being killed by one of their own senior citizens. This seems to have taken place soon after a Texas Synagogue was attacked by a Muslim. If I remember correctly, the other incident was in California on a Monday . . .

  50. https://web.archive.org/web/20230329133714/https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/nashville-shooting-bodycam-footage-audrey-hale-b2309869.html

    Nashville school shooting suspect Audrey Hale had previously posted on Facebook about the death of a romantic partner, according to a former teacher.

    Art college instructor Maria Colomy, who taught Hale at the Nossi College of Art & Design in Nashville, recalled a social media post from the shooter “openly grieving” the unknown individual and said that Hale had announced the bereavement and asked to be addressed as Aiden and by masculine pronouns from then on.

    • Replies: @David Davenport
    @MEH 0910

    Nashville school shooting suspect... posted on Facebook about the death of a romantic partner ...

    ... recalled a social media post from the shooter “openly grieving” the unknown individual and said that Hale had announced the bereavement and asked to be addressed as Aiden and by masculine pronouns from then on.


    My suspicion: the romantic partner was another woman, who hooked up with a man and dropped Hale.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  51. Yorkshire pit donkeys are dumb. But not that dumb.

    Even they are smarter than a dindu chav. Tho maybe Angela Rayner soumds retarded enough to be outsmarted by TWs!!!!

    What’s wrong with the letter T – too fanceh???

  52. https://roddreher.substack.com/p/why-did-transgender-audrey-hale-kill

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @MEH 0910

    https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1640783908907130880
    https://web.archive.org/web/20230329102719/https://www.newsweek.com/audrey-hale-manifesto-release-raises-major-concerns-among-lgbtq-groups-1790938

    Replies: @Jack D, @possumman, @Muggles

    , @Jack D
    @MEH 0910

    While Dreher is almost certainly right that the Narrative Control Machine will attempt to frame the Nashville shooting in a way that is most congenial to their agenda, the right will do exactly the same (except their Machine is not as powerful). The right will blame her actions on transgender mania or on the hormones she was being given (if they were), etc. These reasons may be just as fictional as the reasons (guns, Christianity, etc. ) given by the Narrative Control Machine.

    In the end, none of us knew Audrey Hale or her demons and no one ever actually gave a damn about her. She is just useful now as a tool to promote each party's agenda. But Dreher's piece is the pot calling the kettle black.

    Replies: @Dutch Boy, @Art Deco, @Kylie

  53. @Arclight
    The demand made by the woke, whether it be race or sex, is that rather than individuals alter their behavior it is society's responsibility to change for the benefit of relatively small numbers of people. Failure of society to do so is oppression, and the appropriate response is acting out in displeasure and renewed demands for society to be forced to change. Not only is this unfair to the vast majority of people, but it creates an itch that can never be scratched for the supposed victims - anything short of perfection means there is more 'work' to be done, and thus more angst and demands.

    Obviously this has disastrous effects for blacks in particular, but the assault on minors is just as grotesque. It teaches the opposite of resiliency, which is a critical skill in normal human relationships and work. And for the unfortunates who fall into the clutches of the 'gender affirming' ghouls, it seems self-evident to me that interfering with the normal physical development of an immature human through drugs will obviously produce lifelong consequences, aside from treating a scientific impossibility.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad, @Corvinus

    As for the use of drugs (hormones), keep in mind that we don’t know whether they were being used in this case or not.

    Also, while society rightly concerns itself with the care of minors, if you are talking about adults (this woman was 28) then generally speaking medical care decisions should be made between a patient and their doctor without the “help” of busybodies from the internet. This may not be your cup of tea, but perhaps it was hers. Even if she was receiving hormone therapy, becoming violent in this way must be a very rare side effect and probably is not connected to her behavior at all.

    Currently in The Atlantic, there is a column written by a grieving father who lost his six year old son. He says (somewhat vaguely) that the cause of death was “a household accident, one likely brought on by a rare cerebral-swelling condition”. I don’t know quite what that means, but somehow a bunch of internet trolls picked up on this child’s death and attributed it to the vax (the boy’s doctors say it was in no way vax related) and sent a multitude of cruel messages to the family. This seems to be a thing now. We saw it after Damar Hamlin’s near death experience too. If any vaccinated person dies prematurely, there are people waiting in the wings to blame their death on the vax.

    The father comes to the same conclusion that I did – that this is a way people can reduce their own anxiety. Instead of thinking “this could happen to me and my family”, which is a frightening thought, you find some difference between your family and the family of the unfortunate, so now you can say instead, ” this could NEVER happen to me and my family, because this family did X and I would never do X.” This person is now the OTHER who is different from you and so, not only do you have nothing to fear but you can taunt them for their “foolish” behavior that you would never do.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Jack D


    Also, while society rightly concerns itself with the care of minors, if you are talking about adults (this woman was 28) then generally speaking medical care decisions should be made between a patient and their doctor without the “help” of busybodies from the internet.
     
    One can rightfully object to doctors performing such procedures on anyone, even adults, let alone children. These doctors are injecting people with sex-inappropriate hormones and lopping off healthy body parts. They are violating the most fundamental part of the Hippocratic Oath - Do No Harm. What if in the near future - it could happen - there arises a fad for people to identify as one-armed people and they start asking doctors to amputate healthy limbs? Should doctors do it? Is that okay?

    If Joseph Mengele had performed "procedures" such as these, cutting off healthy sexual organs, we would have called them war crimes - crimes against humanity. Now Vanderbilt medical school makes money performing them.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Almost Missouri, @Goddard

    , @Arclight
    @Jack D

    Personally I think hormones and/or surgery is barbaric for the treatment of dysphoria at any age, but yes our focus should be on minors - as any parent (should) know, teens in particular have a lot of mood swings and adopt different personas as they try to find their way forward and it's absurd to "affirm" anything when they are still developing physically and emotionally.

    But back to the shooter, the problem is that there are a lot of people with genuine mental and emotional issues and trans is being put forth as a solution, and one that is beyond reproach as well. Unfortunately it doesn't resolve the underlying problems and our climate right now is one that promotes hysterical maximalist responses to everything, not to mention the left has weaponized this politically as an identity group. Whether she was on hormones or not is beside the point - she was a very troubled person, was told that adopting a different identity was a solution, and when it turned out not to be, that coupled with extremist messaging that heightened her sense of alienation led her to do something awful.

    Replies: @Jack D, @MGB

    , @martin_2
    @Jack D


    Instead of thinking “this could happen to me and my family”, which is a frightening thought, you find some difference between your family and the family of the unfortunate, so now you can say instead, ” this could NEVER happen to me and my family, because this family did X and I would never do X.”
     
    This is why when we hear of someone of our own age dying suddenly we ask ourselves "Did they smoke?" and are relieved when we find out they did.
    , @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    Also, while society rightly concerns itself with the care of minors, if you are talking about adults (this woman was 28) then generally speaking medical care decisions should be made between a patient and their doctor without the “help” of busybodies from the internet.
     
    "Generally speaking".

    My instincts are generally libertarian. I've got reasonable dose of the "get out of my face" instinct.

    But every community has the inherent right to determine the community norms that people must follow in that community. We have--and have had--all sorts of codified norms about all sorts of stuff that goes beyond fist/nose--drugs, alcohol, sex, adultery, homosexuality, abortion, business hours, noise after hours, building codes, etc. etc. ...

    Personally, I'd be happy to live in community with a bunch of our old "repressive" norms. This recent one of deciding smoking weed was some sort of civil right--definitely could do without that. AnotherMom and I will probably launch our evening stroll in an hour or so ... if we do our usually into town, pretty much guaranteed to be olfactorily assaulted by someone's stinkweed a few times.

    If I had to vote, I'd vote to ban any of this "gender affirming care", and not just for minors. The whole thing is retched pig pile of harmful nonsense catering to nut jobs with docs and surgeons and drug peddlers making money from it that ultimately--insurance premiums and taxes--comes from normies' pockets.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Art Deco

  54. @MEH 0910
    https://roddreher.substack.com/p/why-did-transgender-audrey-hale-kill
    https://twitter.com/roddreher/status/1640633815960805377

    Replies: @MEH 0910, @Jack D


    https://web.archive.org/web/20230329102719/https://www.newsweek.com/audrey-hale-manifesto-release-raises-major-concerns-among-lgbtq-groups-1790938

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @MEH 0910

    From those lobbying against the release of the manifesto, you can infer that it would not be helpful to the LGBTQ cause.

    Nevertheless, it may still not be a good idea to release it because it can lead to copycat crimes. The sick individual WANTED this manifesto released and perpetrated this crime in part to attract attention to it. Future perps should know that this is not an effective strategy and that no matter how many people they kill, their stupid manifesto will never see the light of day.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Elsewhere, @res, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @David In TN, @fredyetagain aka superhonky, @Brutusale, @Reg Cæsar, @Dumbo

    , @possumman
    @MEH 0910

    What is left to investigate--she shot people and the police put her down like a dog--why really doesn't matter at this point -clearly she was nuts.

    , @Muggles
    @MEH 0910

    One can't help but wonder about the concern over the purported "manifesto" here.

    Recall that in every single white-on-black shooting I can think of in the past few years. the social media postings of the perp, along with other writings, website posts, "Manifestos" etc. were always quickly trotted out to "prove" that the shooter/perp was a "Wbite Supremacist" or follower of that.

    None of the cop/media pussyfooting around about release of perp statements pointing to motives.

    So, once again, a hypocritical standard for Official Media.

    If suspected perp is in a Protected Class, then bury the led, omit the available information about motives and suppress any statements by perp trying to justify crimes.

    But if perp is some white guy, who isn't claiming to have some sexual identity problem (or "persecution") they go all out reporting. Hey, maybe White Male Perp once posted favorable about the GOP, or Trump or something. Any such statements or past commentary is used as Proof Positive about the menace of White Male Supremacy.

    When they lie about everything and shade reporting to hide truth, it is no wonder people regard the"news" as just more fabrication or lie-by-omission.

    Since when does someone's fantasy "identification" (e.g. "I'm Princess Leila") become the standard for objective news reporting? And in the case of Nashville child killer, the "inconvenient truth" of a self-described "trans" identification, along with her written justifications, gets Memory Holed.

  55. @YetAnotherAnon
    The perp in Maryland, "Snochia Moseley", certainly might have felt misgendered - not seen a chest as flat as that on a woman. Are we sure she wasn't really male?

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/09/20/21/5078660A00000578-6189673-image-a-46_1537474251052.jpg

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Alfa158

    Another 46 x,y DSD sufferer like Caster Semanya and possibly Britney Griner? The condition is most often found among males of African heritage, but not exclusively.

  56. @MEH 0910
    https://roddreher.substack.com/p/why-did-transgender-audrey-hale-kill
    https://twitter.com/roddreher/status/1640633815960805377

    Replies: @MEH 0910, @Jack D

    While Dreher is almost certainly right that the Narrative Control Machine will attempt to frame the Nashville shooting in a way that is most congenial to their agenda, the right will do exactly the same (except their Machine is not as powerful). The right will blame her actions on transgender mania or on the hormones she was being given (if they were), etc. These reasons may be just as fictional as the reasons (guns, Christianity, etc. ) given by the Narrative Control Machine.

    In the end, none of us knew Audrey Hale or her demons and no one ever actually gave a damn about her. She is just useful now as a tool to promote each party’s agenda. But Dreher’s piece is the pot calling the kettle black.

    • Replies: @Dutch Boy
    @Jack D

    The so-called "manifesto" should tell the tale, if the cops ever make it public.

    , @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    the right will do exactly the same
    ==
    No, they won't. They'll speculate about hormones, psychotropic drugs, civil commitment, and arming the teachers. The transgender angle will be raised because it's another indicator (along with her multi-episode traipse through a commercial art school) that she's loosely wired.

    , @Kylie
    @Jack D

    "While Dreher is almost certainly right that the Narrative Control Machine will attempt to frame the Nashville shooting in a way that is most congenial to their agenda, the right will do exactly the same (except their Machine is not as powerful)."

    True. But it's still apples and oranges.

    Already on the left I'm seeing individuals saying, basically, that the lack of acceptance for trans people basically justifies them lashing out and killing people. While there are doubtless those on the right who wouldn't be averse to trans people being killed simply because they are trans, so far I haven't seen such killing being promoted by the right.

    Replies: @Renard, @Jim Don Bob

  57. There were more mass shootings in the US (132 by March 29) than days in 2023:
    https://www.insider.com/how-many-us-mass-shootings-america-2023

    The one in Nashville is typical: a mental case (the very fact that she was trans clearly indicates that she was mentally deranged) with guns enters a school and starts shooting indiscriminately. Murdered three 9-year old kids and three teachers. Thank goodness, TN is a red state: the cops arrived and shot her (the only right thing to do in this case).

    Key problem is that in the US any lunatic or criminal can easily get hold of firearms. A psycho with a gun is a lot more dangerous than the same psycho with a knife.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @AnonfromTN


    There were more mass shootings in the US (132 by March 29) than days in 2023:
     
    You may ask yourself, "If there were 132 mass shootings this year, why haven't I heard about the other 131 before?"

    Because they were blacks Keepin' It Real.

    This is the media's double game: memory-hole the 131 mass shootings by blacks, then go DefCon 3 on the one white shooter. Then publicize "132 mass shootings this year", knowing that the audience does the mental math as "one white shooter × 132 = 132 white shooters".

    The psyop works extremely well. I've explained it in detail with evidence to intelligent and educated people. They still refuse to accept it, and insist on believing that droves of violent redneck riflemen stalk the land.

    I've written about the double game, its amusing failure mode, and the corrupt record-keeping before.

    Replies: @Dr. Rock

    , @duncsbaby
    @AnonfromTN


    The one in Nashville is atypical
     
    FIFY
  58. How many actual female mass shooters have there been in the same period? I remember that one Iranian girl who shot up YouTube. And there was the San Bernardino lady, but she doesn’t count because she was working with her husband.

    If the female mass shooters are overwhelmingly ftms, i hypothesize that they are on testosterone and that because a high dose of testosterone is totally unnatural for women, they lack some of the psychological mechanisms of restraint that real men have. Women had no need to evolve the same degree of violent impulse control as men because women have way less violent impulses to begin with. But when you shoot ladies up with testosterone, maybe they get the violent impulses but don’t have the accompanying mechanisms of restraint. Whatever men have evolved for restraint, it doesn’t seem well understood. We can observe it and guess why it’s there, but who knows anything about how it works. There are theories that society tamed men through thousands of years of capital punishment, culling off the most violent males. But I don’t think it’s known how that might have impacted the brains and hormonal balances of men on average today.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Spangel226

    https://twitter.com/QuasLacrimas/status/1640784256334016512

    Replies: @Spangel226

  59. (In case you are wondering, I can’t find any reporting on whether any of these shooters were shooting up with testosterone.)

    And you will never find any reporting on whether any of these shooters (or any of the male ones either) were on anti-depressants. Because the mass prescription of psychoactive drugs couldn’t possibly have any effect on people’s behavior. It just couldn’t. It’s science. And, as we learned over the last three years, science must always be “followed” and never questioned.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  60. @MEH 0910
    @MEH 0910

    https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1640783908907130880
    https://web.archive.org/web/20230329102719/https://www.newsweek.com/audrey-hale-manifesto-release-raises-major-concerns-among-lgbtq-groups-1790938

    Replies: @Jack D, @possumman, @Muggles

    From those lobbying against the release of the manifesto, you can infer that it would not be helpful to the LGBTQ cause.

    Nevertheless, it may still not be a good idea to release it because it can lead to copycat crimes. The sick individual WANTED this manifesto released and perpetrated this crime in part to attract attention to it. Future perps should know that this is not an effective strategy and that no matter how many people they kill, their stupid manifesto will never see the light of day.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Jack D

    Years and years ago, back in another life really, a friend of mine and myself created a rather vehement artistic/literary movement called MANIFESTOISM!! in which we boldly proclaimed that the only valid form of artistic or literary expression was within the confines of an actual Manifesto. Everyone must express themselves by writing a Manifesto, and this is the only method by which they can be evaluated. ...And yes, we *did* in fact produce the Manifestoist Manifesto, in order to justify our claims.

    I might have an old copy laying around here somewhere, underneath the pile of dead teenage hookers.

    , @Elsewhere
    @Jack D

    So the reason why the manifestos of right-wing mass murderers are routinely released is that the media want to encourage more of them?

    , @res
    @Jack D

    A lot of truth to that. Now how about we go apply it to the media response to other mass killings?

    Is it too much to ask for some consistency and not have everything simply be Who/Whom?

    Have to love the attitude of those lobbyists: "Tranny commits mass shooting. LGBTQ cause hardest hit."

    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @Jack D


    From those lobbying against the release of the manifesto, you can infer that it would not be helpful to the LGBTQ cause.
     
    No kidding, Jack. It's almost as if they ran it by "LGBT groups" and let them to see it before allowing anyone else to see it.

    The 'both sides' shtick is tiresome. "You can infer" that the manifesto will repeat the liberal media consensus about trans people as victims, not of bizarre indulgence and promotion of unhealthy mental conditions but of those who oppose encouraging unhealthy delusion. That Christianity will be maligned and the murders will fit the barest definition of a "hate crime."

    The reason they don't want it made public is not to prevent trans copycats. It is because the manifesto of a trans psychopath will make clear that this maniac took these ideas as her inspiration, and that these ideas are pathological. That the killer did not misunderstand the messaging of the liberal media, but took the messaging to its natural conclusion.

    The Christchurch killer's manifesto was publicized and its contents described immediately, because let's face it, that event was something Globohomo pray will happen every day. It allows them to further consolidate power. They didn't give a second's thought to how 'responsible' it would be to release it- not until they realized the Christchurch murderer had some salient information in there, not stuff that would inspire killing necessarily but certainly counter-narrative in a way they didn't want to discuss.

    Muslim terrorists have manifestos and explicit reasons for their attacks, but these are obscured, not because Globohomo fears copycats ( there are billions of Korans already) but because it makes their insane idea to import millions of Muslims to the West look like the colossal mistake it is. The Jihadis often have some salient critiques of Western foreign policy that Globohomo doesn't want to get into, either.

    I'm going to infer that this school shooting was a "hate crime." A hate crime against Christians, by a victim of trans ideology promoted by Globohomo with the intention to demoralize and destabilize Western families and communities that are the biggest threat to their power. Trans ideology, which works from a premise along the lines that David Berkowitz really was talking to the neighbor's dog, and the dog really was the devil.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    , @David In TN
    @Jack D

    Previous commenters noted the "manifestos" of so-called right-wing killers are released but the Nashville killer' probably will not be. My feeling is neither their names or idiot ramblings should be mentioned.

    The left will rationalize and excuse this attack anyway.

    Note the smirk on Oswald's face while in the Dallas police building after he shot JFK. He was loving the attention.

    , @fredyetagain aka superhonky
    @Jack D


    Nevertheless, it may still not be a good idea to release it because it can lead to copycat crimes. The sick individual WANTED this manifesto released and perpetrated this crime in part to attract attention to it. Future perps should know that this is not an effective strategy and that no matter how many people they kill, their stupid manifesto will never see the light of day.
     
    Sickos are gonna sick, no matter what. Are you really asserting that the next tranny mass-murderer (and yes Jack, there will be more) is NOT going to go on his/her/their/its shooting spree because this manifesto was not released? Utterly vacuous argument.
    And in any event, you damn well know that there would be ZERO reticence about releasing this manifesto if the shooter were a straight male White Christian. This debate is who/whom all the way.
    , @Brutusale
    @Jack D

    Hey, the trannies say that they just want to be treated like everyone else, so if a manifesto of one deranged individual is released, then they all must be released.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D


    From those lobbying against the release of the manifesto, you can infer that it would not be helpful to the LGBTQ cause.

    Nevertheless, it may still not be a good idea to release it because it can lead to copycat crimes.
     
    What medium is it in, that it even can be suppressed? Certainly not WordPress.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    , @Dumbo
    @Jack D

    Ridiculous. First of all, this was a hoax, but even assuming it was real for the sake of the narrative, no one will become a mass murderer because they've read a manifesto or want to publish their own manifesto, and if they do, well, they were nuts in the first place and wouldn't need a manifesto to shoot people.

    Also, how many people actually read those manifestos, except for a few soundbites published in the media? How can we even know if such manifestos are real?

    The only murderer manifesto which is readable and has actual ideas is the Unabomber one. The rest are just gibberish, and publishing them or not doesn't change anything. After all, it's not as if we don't have something called "social media" where people already publish all kinds of crazy stuff for all to see...

  61. @Maciano
    Misgendering is what the media does

    Correctly gendering, that’s the real thought crime here

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Mr. Anon

    Misgendering is what the media does

    Correctly gendering, that’s the real thought crime here.

    The mistake in both cases is use of the word “gender”. Gender is a grammatical term. Their is no “gender”, hence there can be no “misgendering”. The relevant biological term is “sex”. There are two of them, male and female. People are one or the other of them, starting at conception, and remain so for their entire life.

    If you want to rescue your culture from insanity, stop using the screwed-up language of these insane cultural vandals.

    • Replies: @†
    @Mr. Anon


    The mistake in both cases is use of the word “gender”. Gender is a grammatical term. [There] is no “gender”, hence there can be no “misgendering”. The relevant biological term is “sex”. There are two of them, male and female. People are one or the other of them, starting at conception, and remain so for their entire life.
     
    The Oxford English Dictionary gives several definitions for the noun “gender”. Its oldest meaning is “kind, sort, class”, and its second oldest meaning is the grammatical meaning. Its third oldest meaning is “(biological) sex”, which goes back to the late 14th century:

    No mo genders been there but masculine, and femynyne, all the remnaunte been no genders but of grace, in facultie of grammer.
     
    There was also a “product, offspring, generation” meaning that originated in the 17th century. The euphemistic “(social/cultural) sex” meaning first appeared in 1963.

    Curiously, “genderless” goes back to 1887:

    Literarians are still in search of a genderless pronoun of the third person singular.
     

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  62. Testosterone is a helluva drug.

    Males are evolved to deal with it, somewhat, but it still causes violent behaviour.

    It’s not all that surprising that females who start juicing it are going to have episodes of violent rage. You see this in “natural” high-T females – one reason why lesbian couples have the highest prevalence of domestic violence.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @jimmyriddle


    You see this in “natural” high-T females – one reason why lesbian couples have the highest prevalence of domestic violence.

     

    No. What that research actually measured was people's lifelong exposure to domestic violence, not their exposure to violence in their current relationship.

    So the finding was not that lesbian relationships are the most violent, but that women in lesbian relationships (only a small minority of whom are gold star lesbians) were the most likely to have gone through domestic violence at some point in their lives.

    The most likely conclusion to be drawn from it is that (bisexual?) women who have had the worst experiences with men in their lives are more likely than other women to give up on men and turn to women.

  63. @Jack D
    @Arclight

    As for the use of drugs (hormones), keep in mind that we don't know whether they were being used in this case or not.

    Also, while society rightly concerns itself with the care of minors, if you are talking about adults (this woman was 28) then generally speaking medical care decisions should be made between a patient and their doctor without the "help" of busybodies from the internet. This may not be your cup of tea, but perhaps it was hers. Even if she was receiving hormone therapy, becoming violent in this way must be a very rare side effect and probably is not connected to her behavior at all.

    Currently in The Atlantic, there is a column written by a grieving father who lost his six year old son. He says (somewhat vaguely) that the cause of death was "a household accident, one likely brought on by a rare cerebral-swelling condition". I don't know quite what that means, but somehow a bunch of internet trolls picked up on this child's death and attributed it to the vax (the boy's doctors say it was in no way vax related) and sent a multitude of cruel messages to the family. This seems to be a thing now. We saw it after Damar Hamlin's near death experience too. If any vaccinated person dies prematurely, there are people waiting in the wings to blame their death on the vax.

    The father comes to the same conclusion that I did - that this is a way people can reduce their own anxiety. Instead of thinking "this could happen to me and my family", which is a frightening thought, you find some difference between your family and the family of the unfortunate, so now you can say instead, " this could NEVER happen to me and my family, because this family did X and I would never do X." This person is now the OTHER who is different from you and so, not only do you have nothing to fear but you can taunt them for their "foolish" behavior that you would never do.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Arclight, @martin_2, @AnotherDad

    Also, while society rightly concerns itself with the care of minors, if you are talking about adults (this woman was 28) then generally speaking medical care decisions should be made between a patient and their doctor without the “help” of busybodies from the internet.

    One can rightfully object to doctors performing such procedures on anyone, even adults, let alone children. These doctors are injecting people with sex-inappropriate hormones and lopping off healthy body parts. They are violating the most fundamental part of the Hippocratic Oath – Do No Harm. What if in the near future – it could happen – there arises a fad for people to identify as one-armed people and they start asking doctors to amputate healthy limbs? Should doctors do it? Is that okay?

    If Joseph Mengele had performed “procedures” such as these, cutting off healthy sexual organs, we would have called them war crimes – crimes against humanity. Now Vanderbilt medical school makes money performing them.

    • Agree: Art Deco
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Mr. Anon

    The doctors who do this to adults are not war criminals. They are acting with the informed consent of and at the request of their patients. You might disagree (obviously you do) but some doctors think that this is appropriate medical care. The doctors who performed a lobotomy on Rosemary Kennedy thought the same and they weren't war criminals either. Maybe in some more enlightened future age, your views will become the norm but for now they aren't. Calling these doctors "war criminals" encourages the deranged to kill them, as abortion doctors have been murdered.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Catdog, @Mr. Anon

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Mr. Anon


    What if in the near future – it could happen – there arises a fad for people to identify as one-armed people and they start asking doctors to amputate healthy limbs? Should doctors do it?
     
    Already here, mate.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_integrity_dysphoria

    Wiki says the "ethics of surgically amputating the undesired limb of a person with BID are difficult and controversial." Haha, yeah, no sh*t, Wiki. Especially now that BID is an exact analog of Gender Dysphoria Syndrome.

    I was glancingly acquainted with an older woman with this problem. She shopped around her claim to need amputation and finally found someone to do it. Her consort/common-law husband fought desperately to prevent it, but ultimately he didn't didn't get a vote, while the ill-but-not-in-the-way-she-claimed woman and some Oath-defying surgeon did.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @gail

    , @Goddard
    @Mr. Anon


    What if in the near future – it could happen – there arises a fad for people to identify as one-armed people and they start asking doctors to amputate healthy limbs? Should doctors do it? Is that okay?
     
    There has arisen a fad even more insidious than chopping off one's cock or arm:

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/belgian-woman-her-20s-euthanized-after-suffering-mental-trauma-brussels-airport-bombing

    Replies: @njguy73

  64. Anon[200] • Disclaimer says:

    Typically I have a snide, snarky, sniveling, mocking spoof of a remark. Usually work in “Wakanda” somehow.

    But this tranny mass murder is so disgusting. Nothing to say. How could there ever be justice for such a heinous crime?

    Maybe we could start with Gulags for the fake-journalists that run cover for these criminals, spread the tranny propaganda. Then send the big-pharma people that push the drugs. Bulldoze the “hospitals” that push the tranny treatments. Etc. No tolerance.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @Anon


    Then send the big-pharma people that push the drugs [to new "Gulags"].
     
    Show us on the doll where Big Pharma touched you.

    Because the relevant drugs are obvious and affect fundamental processes so they're old and out of patent, AKA they're generic. For example puberty blockers are essential mitigation for premature puberty which is obviously very bad news.

    Your other scorched earth prescriptions fail either the "how can this be used against me?" test absent a coup or make a symbolic point that wastes resources we desperately need to handle the rapidly aging initial Baby Boomer cohort.

    First we have a "belling the cat" problem which is only able to be addressed at the (Red) state level of making World War T toxic enough that enforcement of existing laws and creation and enforcement of new ones becomes standard and not subject to much debate.

    For the former, see Florida and the weak sauce of revoking venue liquor laws for drag shows for minors ... and that it's the most muscular attack made on them until maybe recently. For the latter see the difficultly of even getting "nothing irreversible until age 18" laws passed. While on the other side this is described as very literal genocide, and many are claiming was a cause of this Nashville attack, as in the law shouldn't have been made.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

  65. Q’he, an FtM trans man, has rejected being a woman. But while XX or XY is binary, we need more words to describe a fem wannabe man. So let’s add a q’ before the pronouns so q’he bought q’his guns with lies, because the guns made q’him feel like a man. Instead of a q’man, which is what q’he is, after q’he rejected being a woman despite having XX chromosomes.

    Seems their was expectation that, like so many rapes, it would have been an MtF trans woman, a q’woman, doing the killing. In such cases it makes sense to say q’she used q’her penis to do the rape, since q’she rejected being a man, despite XY chromosomes.

    Trans women are not real women, tho they might pass, but they are also no longer men. Q’man and q’woman should, like “Ms.” Years ago, be added to the language.

    Maybe q’it for the deluded individuals who claim plurality.

  66. @MEH 0910
    @MEH 0910

    https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1640783908907130880
    https://web.archive.org/web/20230329102719/https://www.newsweek.com/audrey-hale-manifesto-release-raises-major-concerns-among-lgbtq-groups-1790938

    Replies: @Jack D, @possumman, @Muggles

    What is left to investigate–she shot people and the police put her down like a dog–why really doesn’t matter at this point -clearly she was nuts.

  67. @Jack D
    @MEH 0910

    From those lobbying against the release of the manifesto, you can infer that it would not be helpful to the LGBTQ cause.

    Nevertheless, it may still not be a good idea to release it because it can lead to copycat crimes. The sick individual WANTED this manifesto released and perpetrated this crime in part to attract attention to it. Future perps should know that this is not an effective strategy and that no matter how many people they kill, their stupid manifesto will never see the light of day.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Elsewhere, @res, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @David In TN, @fredyetagain aka superhonky, @Brutusale, @Reg Cæsar, @Dumbo

    Years and years ago, back in another life really, a friend of mine and myself created a rather vehement artistic/literary movement called MANIFESTOISM!! in which we boldly proclaimed that the only valid form of artistic or literary expression was within the confines of an actual Manifesto. Everyone must express themselves by writing a Manifesto, and this is the only method by which they can be evaluated. …And yes, we *did* in fact produce the Manifestoist Manifesto, in order to justify our claims.

    I might have an old copy laying around here somewhere, underneath the pile of dead teenage hookers.

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
  68. @Jack D
    @MEH 0910

    From those lobbying against the release of the manifesto, you can infer that it would not be helpful to the LGBTQ cause.

    Nevertheless, it may still not be a good idea to release it because it can lead to copycat crimes. The sick individual WANTED this manifesto released and perpetrated this crime in part to attract attention to it. Future perps should know that this is not an effective strategy and that no matter how many people they kill, their stupid manifesto will never see the light of day.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Elsewhere, @res, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @David In TN, @fredyetagain aka superhonky, @Brutusale, @Reg Cæsar, @Dumbo

    So the reason why the manifestos of right-wing mass murderers are routinely released is that the media want to encourage more of them?

  69. @Bill P
    You mention Yglesias and his observation that progressives encourage the opposite of CBT in the article. This was actually a point Jonathan Haidt has been making for quite some time. I'm sure you know that but I wanted to direct readers to his important insights on this issue:

    https://jonathanhaidt.substack.com/

    I've come up with a model of what's driving this mass neurosis/hysteria.

    Progressivism assumes a hierarchy of truth, with the subjective feeling being at the top. In other words, all you can trust is your gut instinct; it's the only thing you can count on to be real. Everything else out there is arbitrarily designated this or that and is inherently suspect.

    Its really an extreme form of nominalism.

    CBT is helpful because it rejects this assumption and teaches patients to question the feeling. It teaches people to think in a dialectical manner rather than defer always to the feeling.

    So let's say you're a girl/young woman who is having a hard time because you don't fit in. Maybe you like girls and you see the pretty ones going for handsome jocks. You develop envy, and desire what the jocks have, which becomes a desire to be one of them. This desire becomes a feeling that this is what you are really meant to be: a man.

    Because of progressive nominalism, that feeling is the one true thing about you. So-called objective facts are merely social conventions, constructed by others to keep you in a subordinate position.

    Examining this line of reasoning, it's clear that the thoughts are taking a back seat to the feelings. It isn't that no intellection is taking place, but rather that it's subordinate to the emotional impulse.

    So the process goes like this:

    Step 1

    Feeling -> thought -> conclusion

    Step 2

    Evaluate conclusion for how it makes you feel. Does it A validate or B question feeling?

    Step 3

    If A proceed from conclusion; if B abort thought process and return to step 1

    Repeat this process over and over and you can become so detached from reality that you'll actually think you can change your biological sex.

    CBT doesn't deny the importance of feelings, but it places reason on an equal level. If reason contradicts one's feelings, questioning them is the right thing to do, and can adjust one's emotional state to better match reality.

    I have a teenage daughter who doesn't really fit in. She's very bright, a bit of a late bloomer and shy. She's also in the minority where she goes to school (most are Asian) and lives in a pretty messed up family situation. I do what I can; I moved to this borderland economic wilderness just to be there for her and her brother, but alas she doesn't live with me.

    I suppose she'd be at high risk for falling into the progressive thought patterns, but she's thriving. How did that happen? Well, for one thing I made sure to spend every bit of time I could with her, and I made it count: for the last few years I explained that she could be her own master if she put some effort into it, and I taught her how. Man did it pay off. Now Asian tiger moms are paying her good money to tutor their kids and she isn't even out of high school.

    So maybe part of the problem is that dads aren't putting in enough effort - or not being allowed - to teach their daughters good sense. Of course another part is female dominance in education. Women just tend to have more faith in their intuition, and when they utterly dominate an institution it will lose masculine perspective. Finally it's the smartphones. You can find validation for whatever you're feeling at any time online, and social media, as explained so well by Jaron Lanier, is explicitly designed to do so.

    Altogether a perfect storm of factors has combined to pervert young minds, but happily the cure is not all that complicated:

    1. More engaged fathers

    2. More men in education

    3. Restrict children's access to social media

    Finally I'd add that the primitive, childish and irrational philosophical basis of progressivism must be laid bare for all to see, but that's of little practical use for families in the here and now.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Rooster16, @Jack D, @Poirot, @puttheforkdown

    Interesting comment.

    Haven’t read the book, but I knew about the CBT stuff from watching Haidt’s co-author, Greg Lukianoff, give interviews/talks.

    Here he appears with Haidt to talk about their book. Lukianoff starts out from his personal experiences with depression and attempted suicide, and the help that CBT provided him with: https://www.c-span.org/video/?450784-1/the-coddling-american-mind

    Here he is interviewed by Robert Wright of Bloggingheads.tv: https://bloggingheads.tv/videos/60394

  70. @Orange
    It just sucks, no matter who the perpetrator is. It's hard to find words bad enough for the people who do these things.

    Replies: @Kylie

    “It just sucks, no matter who the perpetrator is. It’s hard to find words bad enough for the people who do these things.”

    It’s even harder to find sympathy for them.

  71. @Dragoslav
    Another victim of the so-called sexual revolution. It seems (although it is not certain) that at 28 she was still living with her parents. 28 ! In the 50's, she would have been married in her early 20's, would have already had 2 children.
    No transgender fantasies, no emotional disorder. No loneliness and sexual misery.
    She wasn't very pretty, but she would have found someone to match.
    She would have learned to be feminine, she wouldn't have dressed like an antifa moron.

    Replies: @Ebony Obelisk, @Travis, @Jack D, @Yakov Shekelstein, @Dutch Boy, @Anonymous

    I find it significant that the parents referred to her as their child. Most people would refer to a twenty-eight year-old woman as their daughter.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
    @Dutch Boy

    I think this was not the parents, but just the reporters calling it "their child" to avoid having to choose "son" or "daughter".

  72. @Jack D
    @MEH 0910

    While Dreher is almost certainly right that the Narrative Control Machine will attempt to frame the Nashville shooting in a way that is most congenial to their agenda, the right will do exactly the same (except their Machine is not as powerful). The right will blame her actions on transgender mania or on the hormones she was being given (if they were), etc. These reasons may be just as fictional as the reasons (guns, Christianity, etc. ) given by the Narrative Control Machine.

    In the end, none of us knew Audrey Hale or her demons and no one ever actually gave a damn about her. She is just useful now as a tool to promote each party's agenda. But Dreher's piece is the pot calling the kettle black.

    Replies: @Dutch Boy, @Art Deco, @Kylie

    The so-called “manifesto” should tell the tale, if the cops ever make it public.

  73. I’m embarrassed. Reading, “Transgender,” “Audrey,” and a few she pronouns in the media, I assumed M/F and tweeted something about media ignoring the fact that the perp was biologically male.

  74. @Jack D
    @Arclight

    As for the use of drugs (hormones), keep in mind that we don't know whether they were being used in this case or not.

    Also, while society rightly concerns itself with the care of minors, if you are talking about adults (this woman was 28) then generally speaking medical care decisions should be made between a patient and their doctor without the "help" of busybodies from the internet. This may not be your cup of tea, but perhaps it was hers. Even if she was receiving hormone therapy, becoming violent in this way must be a very rare side effect and probably is not connected to her behavior at all.

    Currently in The Atlantic, there is a column written by a grieving father who lost his six year old son. He says (somewhat vaguely) that the cause of death was "a household accident, one likely brought on by a rare cerebral-swelling condition". I don't know quite what that means, but somehow a bunch of internet trolls picked up on this child's death and attributed it to the vax (the boy's doctors say it was in no way vax related) and sent a multitude of cruel messages to the family. This seems to be a thing now. We saw it after Damar Hamlin's near death experience too. If any vaccinated person dies prematurely, there are people waiting in the wings to blame their death on the vax.

    The father comes to the same conclusion that I did - that this is a way people can reduce their own anxiety. Instead of thinking "this could happen to me and my family", which is a frightening thought, you find some difference between your family and the family of the unfortunate, so now you can say instead, " this could NEVER happen to me and my family, because this family did X and I would never do X." This person is now the OTHER who is different from you and so, not only do you have nothing to fear but you can taunt them for their "foolish" behavior that you would never do.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Arclight, @martin_2, @AnotherDad

    Personally I think hormones and/or surgery is barbaric for the treatment of dysphoria at any age, but yes our focus should be on minors – as any parent (should) know, teens in particular have a lot of mood swings and adopt different personas as they try to find their way forward and it’s absurd to “affirm” anything when they are still developing physically and emotionally.

    But back to the shooter, the problem is that there are a lot of people with genuine mental and emotional issues and trans is being put forth as a solution, and one that is beyond reproach as well. Unfortunately it doesn’t resolve the underlying problems and our climate right now is one that promotes hysterical maximalist responses to everything, not to mention the left has weaponized this politically as an identity group. Whether she was on hormones or not is beside the point – she was a very troubled person, was told that adopting a different identity was a solution, and when it turned out not to be, that coupled with extremist messaging that heightened her sense of alienation led her to do something awful.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Arclight


    she was a very troubled person, was told that adopting a different identity was a solution, and when it turned out not to be, that coupled with extremist messaging that heightened her sense of alienation led her to do something awful.
     
    She was very troubled by definition.

    We don't know who if anyone told her to adopt a different identity. Generally troubled people pick up what is "in the air" in a particular culture. In another time and place she might have decided that she was possessed by demons and needed to be exorcised.

    Since there are rarely any true cures for the troubled (I doubt that in the 1950s this woman would have been happy as a wife and mother anyway) the question becomes of "what to do next". Again each age seems to have its own answers. In the '50s she might have just put her head in the gas oven or jumped off a bridge. Shooting up schools seems to be popular in our time, for dimly understood reasons (at least I don't understand them). A lot of these crimes are again , "in the air" - people are not very original and imitate what they see other (troubled) people doing.

    As for extremist messaging, judging by the fact that a "manifesto" exists and that gays are not eager to see it released, you are probably right that she was influenced by this. Although AFAIK, there is no comparable LBGT entity to the Islamic State where they are actually telling trans people to go and shoot up schools.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    , @MGB
    @Arclight


    Personally I think hormones and/or surgery is barbaric for the treatment of dysphoria at any age, but yes our focus should be on minors – as any parent (should) know, teens in particular have a lot of mood swings and adopt different personas as they try to find their way forward and it’s absurd to “affirm” anything when they are still developing physically and emotionally.
     
    It is barbaric. My kids are in their mid- to late-20s, but I can still clearly remember the unpleasantness of the emotional maturation process and toxic relationships that form among teenaged peers regarding a variety of issues of identity. There are no less miserable teenaged girls who are sincerely, profoundly dissatisfied with their bodies, the shape of their nose, the size of their breasts, etc. and nobody would suggest it's great idea for a 13-year old girl to get a nose job or breast implants, never mind prescribing hormones and amputation. And from what I have seen, much of the most gruesome angst is cultivated anonymously online by some douche bag Reddit commenter cheering on the atrocity. There is something going on at that level that is not organic, in my opinion.

    Replies: @Arclight

  75. @Jack D
    @MEH 0910

    While Dreher is almost certainly right that the Narrative Control Machine will attempt to frame the Nashville shooting in a way that is most congenial to their agenda, the right will do exactly the same (except their Machine is not as powerful). The right will blame her actions on transgender mania or on the hormones she was being given (if they were), etc. These reasons may be just as fictional as the reasons (guns, Christianity, etc. ) given by the Narrative Control Machine.

    In the end, none of us knew Audrey Hale or her demons and no one ever actually gave a damn about her. She is just useful now as a tool to promote each party's agenda. But Dreher's piece is the pot calling the kettle black.

    Replies: @Dutch Boy, @Art Deco, @Kylie

    the right will do exactly the same
    ==
    No, they won’t. They’ll speculate about hormones, psychotropic drugs, civil commitment, and arming the teachers. The transgender angle will be raised because it’s another indicator (along with her multi-episode traipse through a commercial art school) that she’s loosely wired.

    • Troll: R.G. Camara
  76. So the 28-year old shooter acquired 7 guns? These weapons aren’t cheap. The era of the $25 Saturday Night Special is long over. How does this happen?

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @Forbes


    So the 28-year old shooter acquired 7 guns? These weapons aren’t cheap. The era of the $25 Saturday Night Special is long over. How does this happen?
     
    This perp merely lied.

    As I recall the federal form for a firearm purchase requires the buyer to sign a statement saying that the aren't under some mental health treatment protocol, or something along those lines.

    This women had been in and out of mental institutions.

    Though they claim that the guns were purchased over a several year period. Hidden from parents, which whom she still lived at age 28. Hmmm...

    The same attestation form also includes non felon status and a few other things. Some of these things are electronically vetted by the ATF after the fact. Others not. Hunter Biden purchased a firearm after being discharged from the military for illegal drug use. (also on the form).

    Subsequently the Secret Service intimidated the gun store with his form to hand it over to them. Of course Hunter Biden is Special. But sometimes liars turn out to be mass murderers.

    Replies: @SF, @prosa123

    , @Jack D
    @Forbes

    It's true you can't get a gun for $25 anymore, but there are guns that are available for a few hundred $. She acquired these guns over a period of years. She was apparently only intermittently employed but she lived with her parents and probably got to keep whatever money she earned so it's not unimaginable that she was able to scrape together a few hundred $ per year to add to her gun collection.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    , @J.Ross
    @Forbes

    The one gun I've seen is that Kel-Tec folder (~$7-800). This was the one she actually used in the video. This is being called an AR or an assault rifle; it's not. Kel-Tecs are cheap, they were a Florida plastics company that got into firearms. About the cheapest decent quality concealable pistol you can get is the Kel-Tec diamondback.
    The Uvalde shooter had a downright impossible setup estimated by experts to have cost twelve thousand dollars: that's with no income, no dad, and a working class stepdad. This kid's family was rich, was evidently giving her money (they let her live there at 28 plus she was an art student, art students always need expensive supplies), and she wasn't spending all that much.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    , @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.
    @Forbes

    When you live at home with mom and dad and there's no rent or grocery bill to pay, money piles up pretty fast, if you work even part time.

  77. Psychiatrist, Paul McHugh, has been highlighting the association of gender dysphoria and mental illness for years… until he was deplatformed for continuing to report on his concern that it has more to do with mental health than endocrine biology. He and others likened it more to body dysmorphic and eating disorders, in which patients saw their ‘authentic selves’ differently that the mirror the weight scales. ‘Gender affirming care’

    Among his other rallying cries against faddish popular psychology:

    – that too many people self diagnose PTSD and permanent PTSD (this long before the current trend of ‘complex PTSD’ getting traction with the media).

  78. When a big bulk of a society is sick, you can’t do much about it.

  79. @Arclight
    @Jack D

    Personally I think hormones and/or surgery is barbaric for the treatment of dysphoria at any age, but yes our focus should be on minors - as any parent (should) know, teens in particular have a lot of mood swings and adopt different personas as they try to find their way forward and it's absurd to "affirm" anything when they are still developing physically and emotionally.

    But back to the shooter, the problem is that there are a lot of people with genuine mental and emotional issues and trans is being put forth as a solution, and one that is beyond reproach as well. Unfortunately it doesn't resolve the underlying problems and our climate right now is one that promotes hysterical maximalist responses to everything, not to mention the left has weaponized this politically as an identity group. Whether she was on hormones or not is beside the point - she was a very troubled person, was told that adopting a different identity was a solution, and when it turned out not to be, that coupled with extremist messaging that heightened her sense of alienation led her to do something awful.

    Replies: @Jack D, @MGB

    she was a very troubled person, was told that adopting a different identity was a solution, and when it turned out not to be, that coupled with extremist messaging that heightened her sense of alienation led her to do something awful.

    She was very troubled by definition.

    We don’t know who if anyone told her to adopt a different identity. Generally troubled people pick up what is “in the air” in a particular culture. In another time and place she might have decided that she was possessed by demons and needed to be exorcised.

    Since there are rarely any true cures for the troubled (I doubt that in the 1950s this woman would have been happy as a wife and mother anyway) the question becomes of “what to do next”. Again each age seems to have its own answers. In the ’50s she might have just put her head in the gas oven or jumped off a bridge. Shooting up schools seems to be popular in our time, for dimly understood reasons (at least I don’t understand them). A lot of these crimes are again , “in the air” – people are not very original and imitate what they see other (troubled) people doing.

    As for extremist messaging, judging by the fact that a “manifesto” exists and that gays are not eager to see it released, you are probably right that she was influenced by this. Although AFAIK, there is no comparable LBGT entity to the Islamic State where they are actually telling trans people to go and shoot up schools.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Jack D


    there is no comparable LBGT entity to the Islamic State where they are actually telling trans people to go and shoot up schools.
     
    Blue Check Twitter + MSM = LGBT Islamic State

    https://twitter.com/4everContrarian/status/1640875832884486144

    https://twitter.com/BonillaJL/status/1640471501508956160

    Oh, and maybe +NATO

    https://twitter.com/ThatDude3210/status/1640527443122372610
  80. Psychiatrist, Paul McHugh, has been highlighting the association of gender dysphoria and mental illness for years… until he was deplatformed for continuing to report on his concern that it has more to do with mental health than endocrine biology. He and others likened it more to body dysmorphic and eating disorders, in which patients saw their ‘authentic selves’ differently that the mirror the weight scales. ‘Gender affirming care’

    Among his other rallying cries against faddish popular psychology:

    – that too many people self diagnose PTSD and permanent PTSD (this long before the current trend of ‘complex PTSD’ getting traction with the media).

    – the recovered memories craze of the 1980s. Well meaning but incompetent therapists were eliciting false recovered memories of sexual abuse, Satanic rituals, and the like. Part of his common sense approach, backed by 150 years of memory research, was that the more stressful an event the more likely it is to be remembered, not forgotten. Not to mention the lack of evidence for the events claimed by a recovered memory. No mind that families and careers were destroyed in those Witch Trials.

    – a stance that Multiple Personality Disorder (Dissociative Identity) was malarkey. It still has some lingering supporters, as will the TG phenom when high tide starts to recede.

  81. It is explicable there was no way of shutting off those blaring sirens when the police were moving through the school. (I assume the sirens began when the shooter blasted through the door.) It could well be that the shooter was creating an audible presence inside a classroom somewhere in the school, and the sirens were preventing the police from hearing where the location was.

  82. I just cannot believe Joe Biden’s address to the ” nation” re the murders. Saying he is demented is the kindest explanation.
    He even flirted with some children who were there for some reason.
    He should be ridden out of town on a rail.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Adolf Smith

    I don't watch or listen to mainstream news, so I don't know if they covered the fact that Joe started joking about how he's the husband of Dr. Jill Biden and how much he likes ice cream and how he has a whole freezer full of chocolate chip upstairs in the White House before he got around to the topic of the school shooting. If this wasn't deemed worthy of note by the networks or National Public Radio, they are even more corrupt than I thought.

  83. @Arclight
    @Jack D

    Personally I think hormones and/or surgery is barbaric for the treatment of dysphoria at any age, but yes our focus should be on minors - as any parent (should) know, teens in particular have a lot of mood swings and adopt different personas as they try to find their way forward and it's absurd to "affirm" anything when they are still developing physically and emotionally.

    But back to the shooter, the problem is that there are a lot of people with genuine mental and emotional issues and trans is being put forth as a solution, and one that is beyond reproach as well. Unfortunately it doesn't resolve the underlying problems and our climate right now is one that promotes hysterical maximalist responses to everything, not to mention the left has weaponized this politically as an identity group. Whether she was on hormones or not is beside the point - she was a very troubled person, was told that adopting a different identity was a solution, and when it turned out not to be, that coupled with extremist messaging that heightened her sense of alienation led her to do something awful.

    Replies: @Jack D, @MGB

    Personally I think hormones and/or surgery is barbaric for the treatment of dysphoria at any age, but yes our focus should be on minors – as any parent (should) know, teens in particular have a lot of mood swings and adopt different personas as they try to find their way forward and it’s absurd to “affirm” anything when they are still developing physically and emotionally.

    It is barbaric. My kids are in their mid- to late-20s, but I can still clearly remember the unpleasantness of the emotional maturation process and toxic relationships that form among teenaged peers regarding a variety of issues of identity. There are no less miserable teenaged girls who are sincerely, profoundly dissatisfied with their bodies, the shape of their nose, the size of their breasts, etc. and nobody would suggest it’s great idea for a 13-year old girl to get a nose job or breast implants, never mind prescribing hormones and amputation. And from what I have seen, much of the most gruesome angst is cultivated anonymously online by some douche bag Reddit commenter cheering on the atrocity. There is something going on at that level that is not organic, in my opinion.

    • Replies: @Arclight
    @MGB

    Agree it's not organic. The left needs to constantly invent new classes of victims, so it targets people for coordinated messaging that they are being oppressed and anyone who doesn't go along with it is a bigot who should be run out of polite society.

    The entire summer of 2020 and run up to the election was a coordinated effort to bring enough psychological distress to the public that they would go along with anything to stop it. It worked.

  84. @Jack D
    @MEH 0910

    While Dreher is almost certainly right that the Narrative Control Machine will attempt to frame the Nashville shooting in a way that is most congenial to their agenda, the right will do exactly the same (except their Machine is not as powerful). The right will blame her actions on transgender mania or on the hormones she was being given (if they were), etc. These reasons may be just as fictional as the reasons (guns, Christianity, etc. ) given by the Narrative Control Machine.

    In the end, none of us knew Audrey Hale or her demons and no one ever actually gave a damn about her. She is just useful now as a tool to promote each party's agenda. But Dreher's piece is the pot calling the kettle black.

    Replies: @Dutch Boy, @Art Deco, @Kylie

    “While Dreher is almost certainly right that the Narrative Control Machine will attempt to frame the Nashville shooting in a way that is most congenial to their agenda, the right will do exactly the same (except their Machine is not as powerful).”

    True. But it’s still apples and oranges.

    Already on the left I’m seeing individuals saying, basically, that the lack of acceptance for trans people basically justifies them lashing out and killing people. While there are doubtless those on the right who wouldn’t be averse to trans people being killed simply because they are trans, so far I haven’t seen such killing being promoted by the right.

    • Replies: @Renard
    @Kylie


    I’m seeing individuals saying, basically, that the lack of acceptance for trans people basically justifies them lashing out and killing people.
     
    They're saying that about everything. Not just trannies but lefties and wokies of all stripes. No one who disagrees with them should have any rights. Certainly not the right to think or speak freely, and can the right to life be far behind? They never did like us right-to-life types.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Kylie

    https://ace.mu.nu/archives/killthetransphobes.jpg

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  85. @Jack D
    @Bill P

    Your daughter is very fortunate, not only to have you as a father but also to have these natural gifts. People with high IQs tend to have better outcomes. It's not a sure thing but it helps. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people who are not so gifted and it's harder for them. It's nice to think that everyone has some skill or talent that they can tap into if not brains, but unfortunately a lot of people never find their niche.

    My daughter had a similar HS experience. She never had to do the babysitting / cashier/ menial job thing because she was making serious $ doing tutoring instead. It's very empowering to know that even at a young age you have some valuable skill and are never going to have to struggle among the undifferentiated masses as long as you cultivate your talent. Again, this is a gift - not everyone can know this with confidence.

    However, if she attends some competitive college, the picture is going to change. EVERYONE at her college (even the AA students relatively speaking) was an academic star in HS or they wouldn't be there. Some of those people will be well beyond her - if you are in playing in the Big Leagues you are going to meet some future Hall of Famers. And the level of the material that is being taught is going to be a lot more challenging. This (combined with being away from home, the workload, etc.) can mess with your head. So keep watching out for her (I know that you will) and make sure she gets whatever help, counseling, etc. that she needs.

    Replies: @Goddard, @Bill P

    Great advice.

  86. About five years ago I was walking east to west on 125th street in Harlem on a hot summer day. A very flamboyant black guy was twenty yards ahead, swishing along.

    The amount of verbal abuse and threats this guy endured was shocking, all of it from black men and teenagers. They were cursing him, lunging towards him and then stopping, someone threw a soda can. He kept going and did not tone it down one bit, as if he expected it and was used to it.

    Never seen anything like it. I got to give it to him, it took real guts to walk that gauntlet. I think if it had been dark and without so many black grandmas and kids around someone surely would have done him serious harm. The homeys were enraged by this homo.

    • Replies: @Renard
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    They were all just re-creating prison scenes.

    , @duncsbaby
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Lucky you, that the tranny was sashaying 20 yards ahead and taking the heat off yourself. By chance did one of the black guys call out "Old Sport!" as you passed?

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose

  87. Nashville school shooter Audrey Hale would dress as trans star Elliot Page

    https://mol.im/a/11912531

    You may remember, Ellen Page was the one ostentatiously crying on stage on Steven Colbert’s show, about the horrible injustice perpetrated upon jussie smollett. The entire audience gave her a standing ovation.

  88. One more sigh of relief I’m no longer a copy editor

  89. @Kylie
    @Jack D

    "While Dreher is almost certainly right that the Narrative Control Machine will attempt to frame the Nashville shooting in a way that is most congenial to their agenda, the right will do exactly the same (except their Machine is not as powerful)."

    True. But it's still apples and oranges.

    Already on the left I'm seeing individuals saying, basically, that the lack of acceptance for trans people basically justifies them lashing out and killing people. While there are doubtless those on the right who wouldn't be averse to trans people being killed simply because they are trans, so far I haven't seen such killing being promoted by the right.

    Replies: @Renard, @Jim Don Bob

    I’m seeing individuals saying, basically, that the lack of acceptance for trans people basically justifies them lashing out and killing people.

    They’re saying that about everything. Not just trannies but lefties and wokies of all stripes. No one who disagrees with them should have any rights. Certainly not the right to think or speak freely, and can the right to life be far behind? They never did like us right-to-life types.

    • Thanks: Kylie
  90. the rise in female power and prestige has coincided with the decline of female happiness. A simple explanation is that, on the whole, women don’t like it when the men in their lives act defeated and withdrawn.

    Turns out that just inviting them to participate in electoral politics may have been too big an ask.

    Pictured: Post-Sufferagette Democracy

    • Replies: @Dumbo
    @Almost Missouri


    the rise in female power and prestige has coincided with the decline of female happiness. A simple explanation is that, on the whole, women don’t like it when the men in their lives act defeated and withdrawn.
     
    A simpler explanation is that, both for men and women, what we think will bring us happiness (well, in this case, more what they sell to us as bringing happiness), doesn't really bring it.

    Women were sold the idea that being at home taking care of children was akin to "slavery", and that having a 9 to 5 job and being a slut who has no kids (or becomes an unmarried single mum) was "freedom". Well it's not hard to see why this didn't bring the promised happiness...

    As for the picture -- I feel kinda bad for the girls so prominently photographed above (this was, I believe, some slut-walk protest in Argentina), but it does remind you of witches.

    Anyone who knows women knows that they get crazy or emotional every now and then and there's not much anyone can do about it. In the Middle Ages the craziest ones went into witchcraft, then in the 20th century it was into feminism, then into gender-queer stuff, and now it seems that some are into witchcraft again. It all comes full circle.
    , @quewin
    @Almost Missouri

    Is that real?

    Seriously, it looks like something Whichever Podesta would have displayed in his house.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Brutusale

    , @AnotherDad
    @Almost Missouri



    the rise in female power and prestige has coincided with the decline of female happiness. A simple explanation is that, on the whole, women don’t like it when the men in their lives act defeated and withdrawn.
     
    Turns out that just inviting them to participate in electoral politics may have been too big an ask.
     
    These female "I'm taking off my clothes. Take that patriarchy!" protests are always humorously ironic.

    These women are--supposedly trying to "say something" about "sexism" or their "oppression" or something. Do they cut off the power? No, because well they don't actually produce power. Do they stop drilling or refining oil or hauling gasoline? Well no, cause they don't do that either. Do they stop fixing cars or repairing roofs or building houses? No, well cause they don't do any of that either.

    Taking off their clothes is what they come up with. A "protest" melding of standard issue female exhibitionism and passivity. Pretty much messaging "all we've got is sex".

    And does this display of female "power" make men's heart's tremble? Uh no. Mostly it's a demonstration of just how boring most women--especially these sorts of women--look. With the exceptional young and attractive one, eliciting the standard male "Ok her ... yeah."

    In the end, the message ends up being women--anything interesting about them--is all about sex.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  91. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    About five years ago I was walking east to west on 125th street in Harlem on a hot summer day. A very flamboyant black guy was twenty yards ahead, swishing along.

    The amount of verbal abuse and threats this guy endured was shocking, all of it from black men and teenagers. They were cursing him, lunging towards him and then stopping, someone threw a soda can. He kept going and did not tone it down one bit, as if he expected it and was used to it.

    Never seen anything like it. I got to give it to him, it took real guts to walk that gauntlet. I think if it had been dark and without so many black grandmas and kids around someone surely would have done him serious harm. The homeys were enraged by this homo.

    Replies: @Renard, @duncsbaby

    They were all just re-creating prison scenes.

  92. @Jack D
    @MEH 0910

    From those lobbying against the release of the manifesto, you can infer that it would not be helpful to the LGBTQ cause.

    Nevertheless, it may still not be a good idea to release it because it can lead to copycat crimes. The sick individual WANTED this manifesto released and perpetrated this crime in part to attract attention to it. Future perps should know that this is not an effective strategy and that no matter how many people they kill, their stupid manifesto will never see the light of day.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Elsewhere, @res, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @David In TN, @fredyetagain aka superhonky, @Brutusale, @Reg Cæsar, @Dumbo

    A lot of truth to that. Now how about we go apply it to the media response to other mass killings?

    Is it too much to ask for some consistency and not have everything simply be Who/Whom?

    Have to love the attitude of those lobbyists: “Tranny commits mass shooting. LGBTQ cause hardest hit.”

  93. @Jack D
    @MEH 0910

    From those lobbying against the release of the manifesto, you can infer that it would not be helpful to the LGBTQ cause.

    Nevertheless, it may still not be a good idea to release it because it can lead to copycat crimes. The sick individual WANTED this manifesto released and perpetrated this crime in part to attract attention to it. Future perps should know that this is not an effective strategy and that no matter how many people they kill, their stupid manifesto will never see the light of day.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Elsewhere, @res, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @David In TN, @fredyetagain aka superhonky, @Brutusale, @Reg Cæsar, @Dumbo

    From those lobbying against the release of the manifesto, you can infer that it would not be helpful to the LGBTQ cause.

    No kidding, Jack. It’s almost as if they ran it by “LGBT groups” and let them to see it before allowing anyone else to see it.

    The ‘both sides’ shtick is tiresome. “You can infer” that the manifesto will repeat the liberal media consensus about trans people as victims, not of bizarre indulgence and promotion of unhealthy mental conditions but of those who oppose encouraging unhealthy delusion. That Christianity will be maligned and the murders will fit the barest definition of a “hate crime.”

    The reason they don’t want it made public is not to prevent trans copycats. It is because the manifesto of a trans psychopath will make clear that this maniac took these ideas as her inspiration, and that these ideas are pathological. That the killer did not misunderstand the messaging of the liberal media, but took the messaging to its natural conclusion.

    The Christchurch killer’s manifesto was publicized and its contents described immediately, because let’s face it, that event was something Globohomo pray will happen every day. It allows them to further consolidate power. They didn’t give a second’s thought to how ‘responsible’ it would be to release it- not until they realized the Christchurch murderer had some salient information in there, not stuff that would inspire killing necessarily but certainly counter-narrative in a way they didn’t want to discuss.

    Muslim terrorists have manifestos and explicit reasons for their attacks, but these are obscured, not because Globohomo fears copycats ( there are billions of Korans already) but because it makes their insane idea to import millions of Muslims to the West look like the colossal mistake it is. The Jihadis often have some salient critiques of Western foreign policy that Globohomo doesn’t want to get into, either.

    I’m going to infer that this school shooting was a “hate crime.” A hate crime against Christians, by a victim of trans ideology promoted by Globohomo with the intention to demoralize and destabilize Western families and communities that are the biggest threat to their power. Trans ideology, which works from a premise along the lines that David Berkowitz really was talking to the neighbor’s dog, and the dog really was the devil.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
    • Thanks: Inquiring Mind, res
    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Ghost of Bull Moose


    No kidding, Jack. It’s almost as if they ran it by “LGBT groups” and let them to see it before allowing anyone else to see it.
     
    A Cultural Sensitivity Reader grift for deranged killer manifestos is the ultimate Woke job.
  94. Encouraging people to see themselves as victims or belonging to a group that is collectively victimized leads to poor overall outcomes for society.

    Becoming attached to a victim identity creates a sense of entitlement to mistreat others.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/unraveling-the-mindset-of-victimhood/

  95. What’s amazing to me is that a coddled, pampered, praised member of a group of saints called women voluntarily became a card carrying (because how else could you determine) member of an evil, anti-goodness, nefarious group called men. Really mind blowing.

    • LOL: Hibernian
  96. @Adolf Smith
    I just cannot believe Joe Biden's address to the " nation" re the murders. Saying he is demented is the kindest explanation.
    He even flirted with some children who were there for some reason.
    He should be ridden out of town on a rail.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    I don’t watch or listen to mainstream news, so I don’t know if they covered the fact that Joe started joking about how he’s the husband of Dr. Jill Biden and how much he likes ice cream and how he has a whole freezer full of chocolate chip upstairs in the White House before he got around to the topic of the school shooting. If this wasn’t deemed worthy of note by the networks or National Public Radio, they are even more corrupt than I thought.

  97. @Jack D
    @MEH 0910

    From those lobbying against the release of the manifesto, you can infer that it would not be helpful to the LGBTQ cause.

    Nevertheless, it may still not be a good idea to release it because it can lead to copycat crimes. The sick individual WANTED this manifesto released and perpetrated this crime in part to attract attention to it. Future perps should know that this is not an effective strategy and that no matter how many people they kill, their stupid manifesto will never see the light of day.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Elsewhere, @res, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @David In TN, @fredyetagain aka superhonky, @Brutusale, @Reg Cæsar, @Dumbo

    Previous commenters noted the “manifestos” of so-called right-wing killers are released but the Nashville killer’ probably will not be. My feeling is neither their names or idiot ramblings should be mentioned.

    The left will rationalize and excuse this attack anyway.

    Note the smirk on Oswald’s face while in the Dallas police building after he shot JFK. He was loving the attention.

  98. @MEH 0910
    @MEH 0910

    https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1640783908907130880
    https://web.archive.org/web/20230329102719/https://www.newsweek.com/audrey-hale-manifesto-release-raises-major-concerns-among-lgbtq-groups-1790938

    Replies: @Jack D, @possumman, @Muggles

    One can’t help but wonder about the concern over the purported “manifesto” here.

    Recall that in every single white-on-black shooting I can think of in the past few years. the social media postings of the perp, along with other writings, website posts, “Manifestos” etc. were always quickly trotted out to “prove” that the shooter/perp was a “Wbite Supremacist” or follower of that.

    None of the cop/media pussyfooting around about release of perp statements pointing to motives.

    So, once again, a hypocritical standard for Official Media.

    If suspected perp is in a Protected Class, then bury the led, omit the available information about motives and suppress any statements by perp trying to justify crimes.

    But if perp is some white guy, who isn’t claiming to have some sexual identity problem (or “persecution”) they go all out reporting. Hey, maybe White Male Perp once posted favorable about the GOP, or Trump or something. Any such statements or past commentary is used as Proof Positive about the menace of White Male Supremacy.

    When they lie about everything and shade reporting to hide truth, it is no wonder people regard the”news” as just more fabrication or lie-by-omission.

    Since when does someone’s fantasy “identification” (e.g. “I’m Princess Leila”) become the standard for objective news reporting? And in the case of Nashville child killer, the “inconvenient truth” of a self-described “trans” identification, along with her written justifications, gets Memory Holed.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  99. Steve: Your reference to Cognitive Behavioral Therapy.

    Please, I am being observant, not flippant.

    CBT’s description reminds me of something from a Peter Sellers’ Pink Panther movie.

    In the one I remember, his police supervisor is going crazy. The supervisor keeps repeating the mantra “I am getting better every day in every way.” Or words to that effect. As he goes insane dealing with Inspector Clouseau.

    This sounds much like the same psychological approach.

    Is it? Honest question. John

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @John Henry

    Cognitive Therapy (not familiar with the "Behavioral" later added to it) is based on three things:

    1. If you think bad thoughts about yourself, you'll make yourself feel bad (relevantly, to the point of clinical depression).

    2. Most bad thoughts people think about themselves are cognitive distortions (not seeing yourself and the world including other people and their reactions to you correctly).

    3. You can train yourself to see the world more accurately, and make yourself feel less bad (lots of people exit clinical depression without medication, or both work together).

    Inspector Clouseau's superior Charles Dreyfus played by Herbert Lom ... it's been too many decades since I saw the 1965 A Shot in the Dark where he's introduced and the 1975 The Return of the Pink Panther which continues the gag, but as I recall with the help of Wikipedia, for comedy's sake he's taking Clouseau's whole package of incompetence and results, too many of the latter scandalously bad, so poorly that he suffers a breakdown that evolves into "madness" or "insanity" as you put it.

    How Dreyfus takes all this you could say I think involves cognitive distortions, except he is having to clean up Clouseau's messes, can't get Clouseau off the cases, etc., and simply saying to yourself as you recall that things will get better is not C(B)T. For Blake Edwards was a writer, director, producer etc., not a clinical psychologist, psychiatrist, or someone who read any edition of Burn's Feeling Better and based his writing on that instead of crazy comedy.

  100. @Forbes
    So the 28-year old shooter acquired 7 guns? These weapons aren't cheap. The era of the $25 Saturday Night Special is long over. How does this happen?

    Replies: @Muggles, @Jack D, @J.Ross, @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.

    So the 28-year old shooter acquired 7 guns? These weapons aren’t cheap. The era of the $25 Saturday Night Special is long over. How does this happen?

    This perp merely lied.

    As I recall the federal form for a firearm purchase requires the buyer to sign a statement saying that the aren’t under some mental health treatment protocol, or something along those lines.

    This women had been in and out of mental institutions.

    Though they claim that the guns were purchased over a several year period. Hidden from parents, which whom she still lived at age 28. Hmmm…

    The same attestation form also includes non felon status and a few other things. Some of these things are electronically vetted by the ATF after the fact. Others not. Hunter Biden purchased a firearm after being discharged from the military for illegal drug use. (also on the form).

    Subsequently the Secret Service intimidated the gun store with his form to hand it over to them. Of course Hunter Biden is Special. But sometimes liars turn out to be mass murderers.

    • Replies: @SF
    @Muggles

    Question was about how she got the give or take $3,000 for seven guns while an art student. I don't know, maybe a generous grandma.

    , @prosa123
    @Muggles

    As I recall the federal form for a firearm purchase requires the buyer to sign a statement saying that the aren’t under some mental health treatment protocol, or something along those lines.
    This women had been in and out of mental institutions.


    Only an involuntary commitment is a disqualifying factor. If she had checked herself into the mental hospitals she would be able to buy firearms.

  101. OT — Brazil has joined the increasing ranks of countries trading without the dollar.

  102. @J.Ross
    @Reg Cæsar

    Die Mädchen works, though, because the plural form of Mädchen is Mädchen. In fact the only variant is singular genitive Mädchens.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Mädchen is neuter because the suffix –chen, cognate with English -kin, is always neuter. Likewise, -lein is always feminine.

    Do the Twains and others who mock the language know this much?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Reg Cæsar

    Mädchen is indeed neuter, but it still has number and case, and it happens that it's one of those German words where the definite article changes to show gender, number and case (this is what enables the German slang practice of just using the article) while the word itself largely stays the same, thus Die Mädchen is perfectly legitimate. Das Mädchen is the girl and Die Mädchen is the girls. No German would look at Die Mädchen as a pure beginner error as they would with Das Kinder.

    , @†
    @Reg Cæsar


    Mädchen is neuter because the suffix -chen, cognate with English -kin, is always neuter. Likewise, -lein is always feminine.
     
    Actually, words ending in -lein, cognate with English -ling, are also always neuter: Bächlein, Fräulein, Gänslein, Mütterlein, Pferdlein, Röcklein, Zicklein — all neuter.

    Do the Twains and others who mock the language know this much?
     
    Twain was a humorist, and his essay The Awful German Language was an example of his craft.

    Note that he had these German words put on his wife’s gravestone: Gott sei Dir gnädig, O meine Wonne. Had he held the German language in contempt, he would not have had those words put there.
  103. @Mr. Anon
    @Jack D


    Also, while society rightly concerns itself with the care of minors, if you are talking about adults (this woman was 28) then generally speaking medical care decisions should be made between a patient and their doctor without the “help” of busybodies from the internet.
     
    One can rightfully object to doctors performing such procedures on anyone, even adults, let alone children. These doctors are injecting people with sex-inappropriate hormones and lopping off healthy body parts. They are violating the most fundamental part of the Hippocratic Oath - Do No Harm. What if in the near future - it could happen - there arises a fad for people to identify as one-armed people and they start asking doctors to amputate healthy limbs? Should doctors do it? Is that okay?

    If Joseph Mengele had performed "procedures" such as these, cutting off healthy sexual organs, we would have called them war crimes - crimes against humanity. Now Vanderbilt medical school makes money performing them.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Almost Missouri, @Goddard

    The doctors who do this to adults are not war criminals. They are acting with the informed consent of and at the request of their patients. You might disagree (obviously you do) but some doctors think that this is appropriate medical care. The doctors who performed a lobotomy on Rosemary Kennedy thought the same and they weren’t war criminals either. Maybe in some more enlightened future age, your views will become the norm but for now they aren’t. Calling these doctors “war criminals” encourages the deranged to kill them, as abortion doctors have been murdered.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    The doctors who do this to adults are not war criminals.
    ==
    Walter Freeman belonged in prison, as do the endocrinologists and surgeons in question.

    , @Catdog
    @Jack D

    The patients "consenting" are mentally ill.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Jack D


    The doctors who do this to adults are not war criminals. They are acting with the informed consent of and at the request of their patients.
     
    Including the minor patients? The children of crazy women who want to get back at their ex husbands, or just be a social-justice hero for fifteen minutes?

    I really don't care if the consent is informed or not. There are some things that doctors should not do. What if a masochist - freely and with his informed consent - paid a doctor to torture him? Is that okay? Should that doctor keep his license?

    And frankly, I do consider the meretricious and amoral doctors who perform these ghoulish procedures to be on a par with war criminals like Joseph Mengele. They should lose their licenses to practice medicine, and they should feel grateful that they're getting off that easy. They deserve criminal prosecution.

    And no, Mr. Stochastic Terrorism, I am not calling for mentally deranged people to off them, but thanks for the nice scarecrow you left us.
  104. @Arclight
    The demand made by the woke, whether it be race or sex, is that rather than individuals alter their behavior it is society's responsibility to change for the benefit of relatively small numbers of people. Failure of society to do so is oppression, and the appropriate response is acting out in displeasure and renewed demands for society to be forced to change. Not only is this unfair to the vast majority of people, but it creates an itch that can never be scratched for the supposed victims - anything short of perfection means there is more 'work' to be done, and thus more angst and demands.

    Obviously this has disastrous effects for blacks in particular, but the assault on minors is just as grotesque. It teaches the opposite of resiliency, which is a critical skill in normal human relationships and work. And for the unfortunates who fall into the clutches of the 'gender affirming' ghouls, it seems self-evident to me that interfering with the normal physical development of an immature human through drugs will obviously produce lifelong consequences, aside from treating a scientific impossibility.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad, @Corvinus

    And for the unfortunates who fall into the clutches of the ‘gender affirming’ ghouls, it seems self-evident to me that interfering with the normal physical development of an immature human through drugs will obviously produce lifelong consequences, aside from treating a scientific impossibility.

    Sadly, the “gender affirmers” (i.e. sexual mutilators) won’t stop until they are duly prosecuted. This can’t happen until things are called by their true names.

    “child gender affirmation” =true name=> sexual assault of a minor

    “gender affirmation surgery” =true name=> aggravated sexual assault

    “gender care clinic” =true name=> conspiracy to commit sexual assault

    “trans rights” =true name=> child grooming

    “drag queen story hour” =true name=> pedo groomer conspiracy

    As far as I know, every US state and every civilized nation has some form of statute against “corruption of a minor” or “gross sexual imposition” or similar on its books right now. There is nothing stopping any prosecutor from wielding those laws right now except media hypnosis.

    Similarly, every such jurisdiction with civil law recognizes some form of private cause of action against “sexual assault” or similar. In the US it’s probably somehow a Civil Rights issue too. There is nothing stopping parents of targeted children or young adults who were targeted as children from using those laws right now. They just have to understand what happened in their true terms, not in the media’s deceptive terms.

    The tools are there. The causes are there. All that is missing is the understanding and then the will.

    Plenty of promising products have become unmarketable after losing a single court case. Sexual mutilation in the name of liberation is a product with little or no promise and plenty of abuse. If any of the tort attorneys were actually serious about their claims to be “protecting the public”, they would be swarming onto this mass atrocity like flies onto sh*t. But they’re not, because they’re really just greedy, conformist phonies. Still, one or a handful of actual crusading lawyers—if such exist—could make “gender reassignment surgery” unpracticable in their jurisdiction.

    Until they feel the lash of of legal consequence, the sexual mutilators will continue cutting their bloody swathes through the nation’s youth.

    • Replies: @Arclight
    @Almost Missouri

    I have long felt that scorched earth lawfare was necessary here, and it should already be happening. That it's not yet seems like a huge whiff and I am not sure if it's because the big conservative donors are unaware or too intent on crap like promoting democracy abroad through expeditionary wars or more tax cuts.

    But yes, plainly describing what is going on is key, and enough legal action to at a minimum make the insurance premiums doctors and therapists have to carry so punitive most drop out of this racket.

    , @Jack D
    @Almost Missouri

    I think this would be a tough case to make. First of all, anyone receiving this surgery will have signed a bunch of consent forms. 2nd, the doctor will bring in a number of other doctors who are "expert witnesses" to testify that gender affirming care meets the standards of care. They will get the f'ing heads of Harvard Medical School, Johns Hopkins and the Mayo Clinic to all testify in the doctor's favor. Not to mention the Surgeon General her/himself.

    If there was $ to be made with such suits, trust me, there is SOMEONE who would have taken these cases. The guys who do medical malpractice work don't care who they sue as long as there is an insurance policy to go after. You could be doing life saving heart surgery on babies and they would sue you if they thought that they could get a verdict in their favor.

    If you really want to go after this, it's going to have to be legislative because the current medical profession consensus is that this sort of surgery is ethical and proper, regardless of whether you think that it is barbaric, and if you try to go after them the doctors will circle the wagons.

    Replies: @Ian Smith, @Pixo, @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad

    , @Mike Tre
    @Almost Missouri

    Circumcision: male genital mutilation.

  105. @J.Ross
    OT -- From Ellis Items: A petition that top level AI research be halted immediately (with government intervention if necessary) has been signed by about 1200 people, including Steve Wozniak and Elon Musk.
    https://www.reuters.com/technology/musk-experts-urge-pause-training-ai-systems-that-can-outperform-gpt-4-2023-03-29/
    Old China Hand Orville Schell says Chinese military action is going from possible through probable to -- he won't say "likely." Yet.
    Xi Jinping has urged his generals to "dare to fight" and spoken frequently of war in speeches to the big fake-but-representative parliament they hold once a year.
    https://archive.ph/qrBqG

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Cato

    Old China Hand Orville Schell says Chinese military action is going from possible through probable to — he won’t say “likely.” Yet.
    Xi Jinping has urged his generals to “dare to fight” and spoken frequently of war in speeches to the big fake-but-representative parliament they hold once a year.

  106. @Forbes
    So the 28-year old shooter acquired 7 guns? These weapons aren't cheap. The era of the $25 Saturday Night Special is long over. How does this happen?

    Replies: @Muggles, @Jack D, @J.Ross, @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.

    It’s true you can’t get a gun for $25 anymore, but there are guns that are available for a few hundred $. She acquired these guns over a period of years. She was apparently only intermittently employed but she lived with her parents and probably got to keep whatever money she earned so it’s not unimaginable that she was able to scrape together a few hundred $ per year to add to her gun collection.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @Jack D

    lol. Is that how you get your feds armed up over the years, like Ray Epps, you traitor?

  107. @Dutch Boy
    @Dragoslav

    I find it significant that the parents referred to her as their child. Most people would refer to a twenty-eight year-old woman as their daughter.

    Replies: @Dumbo

    I think this was not the parents, but just the reporters calling it “their child” to avoid having to choose “son” or “daughter”.

  108. @Almost Missouri
    @Arclight


    And for the unfortunates who fall into the clutches of the ‘gender affirming’ ghouls, it seems self-evident to me that interfering with the normal physical development of an immature human through drugs will obviously produce lifelong consequences, aside from treating a scientific impossibility.
     
    Sadly, the "gender affirmers" (i.e. sexual mutilators) won't stop until they are duly prosecuted. This can't happen until things are called by their true names.

    "child gender affirmation" =true name=> sexual assault of a minor

    "gender affirmation surgery" =true name=> aggravated sexual assault

    "gender care clinic" =true name=> conspiracy to commit sexual assault

    "trans rights" =true name=> child grooming

    "drag queen story hour" =true name=> pedo groomer conspiracy

    As far as I know, every US state and every civilized nation has some form of statute against "corruption of a minor" or "gross sexual imposition" or similar on its books right now. There is nothing stopping any prosecutor from wielding those laws right now except media hypnosis.

    Similarly, every such jurisdiction with civil law recognizes some form of private cause of action against "sexual assault" or similar. In the US it's probably somehow a Civil Rights issue too. There is nothing stopping parents of targeted children or young adults who were targeted as children from using those laws right now. They just have to understand what happened in their true terms, not in the media's deceptive terms.

    The tools are there. The causes are there. All that is missing is the understanding and then the will.

    Plenty of promising products have become unmarketable after losing a single court case. Sexual mutilation in the name of liberation is a product with little or no promise and plenty of abuse. If any of the tort attorneys were actually serious about their claims to be "protecting the public", they would be swarming onto this mass atrocity like flies onto sh*t. But they're not, because they're really just greedy, conformist phonies. Still, one or a handful of actual crusading lawyers—if such exist—could make "gender reassignment surgery" unpracticable in their jurisdiction.

    Until they feel the lash of of legal consequence, the sexual mutilators will continue cutting their bloody swathes through the nation's youth.

    Replies: @Arclight, @Jack D, @Mike Tre

    I have long felt that scorched earth lawfare was necessary here, and it should already be happening. That it’s not yet seems like a huge whiff and I am not sure if it’s because the big conservative donors are unaware or too intent on crap like promoting democracy abroad through expeditionary wars or more tax cuts.

    But yes, plainly describing what is going on is key, and enough legal action to at a minimum make the insurance premiums doctors and therapists have to carry so punitive most drop out of this racket.

  109. @Mike Tre
    "the rise in mental illness among young women."

    Is it mental illness? Or is it an extreme example of women's inclination to seek attention as well as participate in the latest social trends?

    The problem with labeling every poor behavior as "mental illness" is that it becomes an excuse for the behavior. It's relinquishes the individual from responsibility for their actions.

    Lots of videos out there of mostly females blaming the Nashville shooting on the Tennessee's law, as well as taunting the parents of the three children who were murdered. Are those people also mentally ill? Because they are condoning the actions of another individual who is labelled mentally ill.

    These people are degenerate and nihilistic, but they aren't crazy in a clinical sense.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Almost Missouri

    Have you read about the Great Awakening? This is the Great Awokening. It’s a religious movement and there is no arguing or reasoning with it.

    Now you know how the old pagan stalwarts must have felt around 300 AD. The One God drives out the Many Gods, only to be evicted in His turn by the Null-God.

    This Null-God religion has a strange set of values indeed: abortion, homosexuality, gender dysphoria, self-mutilation, narcissism, self-pity, dependency.

    • Agree: Captain Tripps
  110. @MGB
    @Arclight


    Personally I think hormones and/or surgery is barbaric for the treatment of dysphoria at any age, but yes our focus should be on minors – as any parent (should) know, teens in particular have a lot of mood swings and adopt different personas as they try to find their way forward and it’s absurd to “affirm” anything when they are still developing physically and emotionally.
     
    It is barbaric. My kids are in their mid- to late-20s, but I can still clearly remember the unpleasantness of the emotional maturation process and toxic relationships that form among teenaged peers regarding a variety of issues of identity. There are no less miserable teenaged girls who are sincerely, profoundly dissatisfied with their bodies, the shape of their nose, the size of their breasts, etc. and nobody would suggest it's great idea for a 13-year old girl to get a nose job or breast implants, never mind prescribing hormones and amputation. And from what I have seen, much of the most gruesome angst is cultivated anonymously online by some douche bag Reddit commenter cheering on the atrocity. There is something going on at that level that is not organic, in my opinion.

    Replies: @Arclight

    Agree it’s not organic. The left needs to constantly invent new classes of victims, so it targets people for coordinated messaging that they are being oppressed and anyone who doesn’t go along with it is a bigot who should be run out of polite society.

    The entire summer of 2020 and run up to the election was a coordinated effort to bring enough psychological distress to the public that they would go along with anything to stop it. It worked.

    • Agree: J.Ross
  111. @Almost Missouri
    @Arclight


    And for the unfortunates who fall into the clutches of the ‘gender affirming’ ghouls, it seems self-evident to me that interfering with the normal physical development of an immature human through drugs will obviously produce lifelong consequences, aside from treating a scientific impossibility.
     
    Sadly, the "gender affirmers" (i.e. sexual mutilators) won't stop until they are duly prosecuted. This can't happen until things are called by their true names.

    "child gender affirmation" =true name=> sexual assault of a minor

    "gender affirmation surgery" =true name=> aggravated sexual assault

    "gender care clinic" =true name=> conspiracy to commit sexual assault

    "trans rights" =true name=> child grooming

    "drag queen story hour" =true name=> pedo groomer conspiracy

    As far as I know, every US state and every civilized nation has some form of statute against "corruption of a minor" or "gross sexual imposition" or similar on its books right now. There is nothing stopping any prosecutor from wielding those laws right now except media hypnosis.

    Similarly, every such jurisdiction with civil law recognizes some form of private cause of action against "sexual assault" or similar. In the US it's probably somehow a Civil Rights issue too. There is nothing stopping parents of targeted children or young adults who were targeted as children from using those laws right now. They just have to understand what happened in their true terms, not in the media's deceptive terms.

    The tools are there. The causes are there. All that is missing is the understanding and then the will.

    Plenty of promising products have become unmarketable after losing a single court case. Sexual mutilation in the name of liberation is a product with little or no promise and plenty of abuse. If any of the tort attorneys were actually serious about their claims to be "protecting the public", they would be swarming onto this mass atrocity like flies onto sh*t. But they're not, because they're really just greedy, conformist phonies. Still, one or a handful of actual crusading lawyers—if such exist—could make "gender reassignment surgery" unpracticable in their jurisdiction.

    Until they feel the lash of of legal consequence, the sexual mutilators will continue cutting their bloody swathes through the nation's youth.

    Replies: @Arclight, @Jack D, @Mike Tre

    I think this would be a tough case to make. First of all, anyone receiving this surgery will have signed a bunch of consent forms. 2nd, the doctor will bring in a number of other doctors who are “expert witnesses” to testify that gender affirming care meets the standards of care. They will get the f’ing heads of Harvard Medical School, Johns Hopkins and the Mayo Clinic to all testify in the doctor’s favor. Not to mention the Surgeon General her/himself.

    If there was $ to be made with such suits, trust me, there is SOMEONE who would have taken these cases. The guys who do medical malpractice work don’t care who they sue as long as there is an insurance policy to go after. You could be doing life saving heart surgery on babies and they would sue you if they thought that they could get a verdict in their favor.

    If you really want to go after this, it’s going to have to be legislative because the current medical profession consensus is that this sort of surgery is ethical and proper, regardless of whether you think that it is barbaric, and if you try to go after them the doctors will circle the wagons.

    • Replies: @Ian Smith
    @Jack D

    Appeal to authority. Besides, doctors do circumcisions which are painful, dangerous, and medically useless 99% of the time.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Pixo
    @Jack D

    The suits could succeed in very conservative areas. And they are doing irreversible tranny drugs and mutilations in such places.

    Perdue Pharma thought they were getting away with selling their fentanyl lollipops until they weren’t.

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Jack D


    anyone receiving this surgery will have signed a bunch of consent forms.
     
    Minors can't consent.

    They will get the f’ing heads of Harvard Medical School, Johns Hopkins and the Mayo Clinic to all testify in the doctor’s favor.
     
    Ah, the Experts. Americans are famously deferential to The Experts.

    Sarcasm aside, I'm not sure what even the head of Harvard Medical School can tell anyone about the medical necessity of drag queen shows for children.
    , @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    If you really want to go after this, it’s going to have to be legislative because the current medical profession consensus is that this sort of surgery is ethical and proper, regardless of whether you think that it is barbaric, and if you try to go after them the doctors will circle the wagons.
     
    I certainly agree on working on legislative solutions. This is how things are supposed to work in a republic. Beyond mountains of propaganda, the minoritarians have been successful in pushing their agenda in large part by working around republican government with lawfare and simply dictating to the people--in the process destroying our Constitutional framework.

    However, disagree on what might be possible suing. The trial lawyer parasites have been incredibly successful with absolutely bullshit cases. Ex. some car not being safety engineered as well as it could have been (true of basically 100% of the cars on the road). Or the laughable "tobacco settlement"--nothing more than a giant tobacco tax the people didn't vote on, with the lawyer parasites raking off billions of the people's tax money for their "work". What works is more or less completely up in the air.

    If I was a young tort lawyer, I'd invest some time in this field. Even with the typical "experts say" bullshit--that's been a cancer upon society for 60 years--there are already peer reviewed studies of this "transitioning" bullshit that essentially find it does not work. On average it actually reduces the weirdos' happiness. It's just yet another giant minoritarian whine fest, that a sleazy medical racket has built up around. There will be money--a lot of money--to be made by lawyers down the road suing on behalf of maimed women.

    But in this case, the victims aren't even people who consented, they a normal people's children. If this POS was getting "treatment" ... put it in front of a jury. Believe it or not lots of normal people do not like being bossed around by minority whiners, they find obnoxious people whining obnoxious. And in many states--no idea about Tennessee--do not require unanimous verdicts in civil cases.

    Replies: @Jack D

  112. @Almost Missouri

    the rise in female power and prestige has coincided with the decline of female happiness. A simple explanation is that, on the whole, women don’t like it when the men in their lives act defeated and withdrawn.
     
    Turns out that just inviting them to participate in electoral politics may have been too big an ask.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/06/01/10/40FDB22800000578-4561784-image-a-10_1496310312394.jpg

    Pictured: Post-Sufferagette Democracy

    Replies: @Dumbo, @quewin, @AnotherDad

    the rise in female power and prestige has coincided with the decline of female happiness. A simple explanation is that, on the whole, women don’t like it when the men in their lives act defeated and withdrawn.

    A simpler explanation is that, both for men and women, what we think will bring us happiness (well, in this case, more what they sell to us as bringing happiness), doesn’t really bring it.

    Women were sold the idea that being at home taking care of children was akin to “slavery”, and that having a 9 to 5 job and being a slut who has no kids (or becomes an unmarried single mum) was “freedom”. Well it’s not hard to see why this didn’t bring the promised happiness…

    As for the picture — I feel kinda bad for the girls so prominently photographed above (this was, I believe, some slut-walk protest in Argentina), but it does remind you of witches.

    Anyone who knows women knows that they get crazy or emotional every now and then and there’s not much anyone can do about it. In the Middle Ages the craziest ones went into witchcraft, then in the 20th century it was into feminism, then into gender-queer stuff, and now it seems that some are into witchcraft again. It all comes full circle.

  113. @Almost Missouri

    the rise in female power and prestige has coincided with the decline of female happiness. A simple explanation is that, on the whole, women don’t like it when the men in their lives act defeated and withdrawn.
     
    Turns out that just inviting them to participate in electoral politics may have been too big an ask.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/06/01/10/40FDB22800000578-4561784-image-a-10_1496310312394.jpg

    Pictured: Post-Sufferagette Democracy

    Replies: @Dumbo, @quewin, @AnotherDad

    Is that real?

    Seriously, it looks like something Whichever Podesta would have displayed in his house.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @quewin

    It was at a demonstration about violence against women in Buenos Aires, Argentina, in 2017. You can tell it didn't occur in the USA because few of the women are overweight. Some women like having an excuse to take off their clothes, for example the actresses that pose for PETA ads or the throngs who strip for Spencer Tunick's photographs. A guy I know observed, "All women are exhibitionists and all men are voyeurs." Almost true.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    , @Brutusale
    @quewin

    Those women are WAY too old for John Podesta.

    https://imgs.search.brave.com/6pLxguWtWx2b4ciiWNHxjTuDboTIqG7CV0iCMjbioTk/rs:fit:474:423:1/g:ce/aHR0cHM6Ly9saDMu/Z29vZ2xldXNlcmNv/bnRlbnQuY29tL3By/b3h5L2pQQnBlek0y/ZWFiN0lPZDNSazZ3/SU9aWmRCWkprazF3/dnNJdHpkZWF2UGE4/cENyWXFpbVlYLTMw/RlBIRkZwazd4cDRS/YjdaTDIzbFREdlNE/YnAxWXlFZW9kSEd0/NU5fNDBMWDh2U2ND/RUl2SThCM0E0SExR/NnB3PXMwLWQ

  114. @Jack D
    @Dragoslav

    In trying to evade her gender, the NY Times called her a "child" (they couldn't bear to say "their daughter"). In no other society in human history would you call a 28 year old woman a "child". Even if you had to evade mention this woman's gender, they would have said "offspring" or something. Child brings to mind a minor, not a grown ass woman.

    Replies: @Vinnyvette, @tyrone

    Child brings to mind a minor, not a grown ass woman.

    …..She wanted to be a “kid for ever and ever”…….neoteny is a feature of todays young adults in addition to mental problems .

  115. @Muggles
    @Forbes


    So the 28-year old shooter acquired 7 guns? These weapons aren’t cheap. The era of the $25 Saturday Night Special is long over. How does this happen?
     
    This perp merely lied.

    As I recall the federal form for a firearm purchase requires the buyer to sign a statement saying that the aren't under some mental health treatment protocol, or something along those lines.

    This women had been in and out of mental institutions.

    Though they claim that the guns were purchased over a several year period. Hidden from parents, which whom she still lived at age 28. Hmmm...

    The same attestation form also includes non felon status and a few other things. Some of these things are electronically vetted by the ATF after the fact. Others not. Hunter Biden purchased a firearm after being discharged from the military for illegal drug use. (also on the form).

    Subsequently the Secret Service intimidated the gun store with his form to hand it over to them. Of course Hunter Biden is Special. But sometimes liars turn out to be mass murderers.

    Replies: @SF, @prosa123

    Question was about how she got the give or take $3,000 for seven guns while an art student. I don’t know, maybe a generous grandma.

  116. oops .. looks like all those conservatives clicking on their article on stochastic terrorism has put Scientific American in a tizzy of what to do

    [img]https://i.imgur.com/0nLpknl.png[/img]

  117. @Mike Tre
    "the rise in mental illness among young women."

    Is it mental illness? Or is it an extreme example of women's inclination to seek attention as well as participate in the latest social trends?

    The problem with labeling every poor behavior as "mental illness" is that it becomes an excuse for the behavior. It's relinquishes the individual from responsibility for their actions.

    Lots of videos out there of mostly females blaming the Nashville shooting on the Tennessee's law, as well as taunting the parents of the three children who were murdered. Are those people also mentally ill? Because they are condoning the actions of another individual who is labelled mentally ill.

    These people are degenerate and nihilistic, but they aren't crazy in a clinical sense.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Almost Missouri

    Hearty •Agree.

    These people are degenerate and nihilistic, but they aren’t crazy in a clinical sense.

    Not only nihilistic, but narcissistic.

    • Thanks: Mike Tre
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Almost Missouri

    They are "normal" (in the sense of being sane and lacking any sort of autism) people who have been perverted by immorality and lack of experience. They could "snap out of it" given isolation from the perverting media and crisis. Crisis itself wouldn't work because the perverting media would recontextualize the crisis to validate the lying. A generation literally pretended to be crazy out of boredom, but there is no way to pretend to be crazy: if you act crazy long enough, there's no meaningful difference from true insanity.

    , @Mike Tre
    @Almost Missouri

    Believe it or not, I had typed out "narcissistic" first before exchanging it for nihilistic. Both equally apply.

  118. I won’t do justice with a summary, nevertheless there have been, and are ongoing, law suits involving gender re-assignment surgery. Just as you’d expect, all’s fair in law and war, some apparently arguing that Tavistock, for example, is liable for the damage actually caused by treatment, while others argue that they are causing damage by making people wait too long to have the treatment done.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11101661/Tavistock-transgender-clinic-facing-mass-legal-action-1-000-families.html

  119. @Anonymous
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Probably had a top surgery (mastectomy). Or was binding, as most of them do before they can get operated on, starting in their early teens already.


    As for the Nashville shooter, rumor has it she was also a budding furry. Shocking.

    Replies: @QCIC

    People in the know say it can be very difficult to distinguish many clothed F to M persons from a biological male if they started early. This is reportedly due to the strong effects of testosterone. Apparently it is much more difficult to fake it in the other direction.

    A lot of these people have some very androgynous facial features and gym muscles which also are a certain standard of male attractiveness. So they blend together and then who knows? They can use an ‘accessory’ called the stand to pee device and fake it in the mens room.

    We have a lot of first world problems around here.

  120. @Bill P
    You mention Yglesias and his observation that progressives encourage the opposite of CBT in the article. This was actually a point Jonathan Haidt has been making for quite some time. I'm sure you know that but I wanted to direct readers to his important insights on this issue:

    https://jonathanhaidt.substack.com/

    I've come up with a model of what's driving this mass neurosis/hysteria.

    Progressivism assumes a hierarchy of truth, with the subjective feeling being at the top. In other words, all you can trust is your gut instinct; it's the only thing you can count on to be real. Everything else out there is arbitrarily designated this or that and is inherently suspect.

    Its really an extreme form of nominalism.

    CBT is helpful because it rejects this assumption and teaches patients to question the feeling. It teaches people to think in a dialectical manner rather than defer always to the feeling.

    So let's say you're a girl/young woman who is having a hard time because you don't fit in. Maybe you like girls and you see the pretty ones going for handsome jocks. You develop envy, and desire what the jocks have, which becomes a desire to be one of them. This desire becomes a feeling that this is what you are really meant to be: a man.

    Because of progressive nominalism, that feeling is the one true thing about you. So-called objective facts are merely social conventions, constructed by others to keep you in a subordinate position.

    Examining this line of reasoning, it's clear that the thoughts are taking a back seat to the feelings. It isn't that no intellection is taking place, but rather that it's subordinate to the emotional impulse.

    So the process goes like this:

    Step 1

    Feeling -> thought -> conclusion

    Step 2

    Evaluate conclusion for how it makes you feel. Does it A validate or B question feeling?

    Step 3

    If A proceed from conclusion; if B abort thought process and return to step 1

    Repeat this process over and over and you can become so detached from reality that you'll actually think you can change your biological sex.

    CBT doesn't deny the importance of feelings, but it places reason on an equal level. If reason contradicts one's feelings, questioning them is the right thing to do, and can adjust one's emotional state to better match reality.

    I have a teenage daughter who doesn't really fit in. She's very bright, a bit of a late bloomer and shy. She's also in the minority where she goes to school (most are Asian) and lives in a pretty messed up family situation. I do what I can; I moved to this borderland economic wilderness just to be there for her and her brother, but alas she doesn't live with me.

    I suppose she'd be at high risk for falling into the progressive thought patterns, but she's thriving. How did that happen? Well, for one thing I made sure to spend every bit of time I could with her, and I made it count: for the last few years I explained that she could be her own master if she put some effort into it, and I taught her how. Man did it pay off. Now Asian tiger moms are paying her good money to tutor their kids and she isn't even out of high school.

    So maybe part of the problem is that dads aren't putting in enough effort - or not being allowed - to teach their daughters good sense. Of course another part is female dominance in education. Women just tend to have more faith in their intuition, and when they utterly dominate an institution it will lose masculine perspective. Finally it's the smartphones. You can find validation for whatever you're feeling at any time online, and social media, as explained so well by Jaron Lanier, is explicitly designed to do so.

    Altogether a perfect storm of factors has combined to pervert young minds, but happily the cure is not all that complicated:

    1. More engaged fathers

    2. More men in education

    3. Restrict children's access to social media

    Finally I'd add that the primitive, childish and irrational philosophical basis of progressivism must be laid bare for all to see, but that's of little practical use for families in the here and now.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Rooster16, @Jack D, @Poirot, @puttheforkdown

    Now Asian tiger moms are paying her good money to tutor their kids and she isn’t even out of high school.

    Get her to sabotage the tutoring so those Asian kids do poorly and their parents consider heading back to their own country. Everyone wins!

  121. @Jack D
    @MEH 0910

    From those lobbying against the release of the manifesto, you can infer that it would not be helpful to the LGBTQ cause.

    Nevertheless, it may still not be a good idea to release it because it can lead to copycat crimes. The sick individual WANTED this manifesto released and perpetrated this crime in part to attract attention to it. Future perps should know that this is not an effective strategy and that no matter how many people they kill, their stupid manifesto will never see the light of day.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Elsewhere, @res, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @David In TN, @fredyetagain aka superhonky, @Brutusale, @Reg Cæsar, @Dumbo

    Nevertheless, it may still not be a good idea to release it because it can lead to copycat crimes. The sick individual WANTED this manifesto released and perpetrated this crime in part to attract attention to it. Future perps should know that this is not an effective strategy and that no matter how many people they kill, their stupid manifesto will never see the light of day.

    Sickos are gonna sick, no matter what. Are you really asserting that the next tranny mass-murderer (and yes Jack, there will be more) is NOT going to go on his/her/their/its shooting spree because this manifesto was not released? Utterly vacuous argument.
    And in any event, you damn well know that there would be ZERO reticence about releasing this manifesto if the shooter were a straight male White Christian. This debate is who/whom all the way.

  122. @Travis
    @Dragoslav

    even in the sixties the majority of women were married by age 23. While marriage rates fell in the 80s and 90s, young unmarried females during the 1990's typically had a romantic partner. In contrast today 25% of American females under the age of 30 have not gotten laid in the past year. Rates of sexual activity declined with the millennials and has declined even more over the last decade. The lack of pair bonding and lack of romantic partners is one of the factors causing the rise of mental illness among American females. Millennials and Gen Z are getting less sex than their great grandparents. This lack of sexual activity among young females has resulted in increased rates of depression and anxiety. Unfortunately American men no longer have the testosterone levels required to bang below average looking females. Testosterone levels tof wenty year-old men today are lower than 65 year old males from 25 years ago. Thus the lack of pair bonding is a result of declining testosterone levels which makes men less sexually active, thus lowering the ability of females to get laid.

    Replies: @J, @YetAnotherAnon, @Corvinus, @Vinnyvette, @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    Testosterone levels of twenty year-old men today are lower than 65 year old males from 25 years ago. If true, that is alarming. Testosterone should be added to beer or whatever.

    • Replies: @possumman
    @J

    Maybe just add it to White Claw!

  123. Well, if nobody else will do it, I’m going to break the fourth wall on this one-

    Ugly Women.

    For many, many years, whether we like it or not, women are largely graded on their looks- face, eyes, hair, sex appeal, feminine wiles, the booty, the legs, the chest… just statin’ the facts here.

    So, part of what social media has really highlighted, and this is astoundingly obvious, is that there are A LOT of really attractive women, in this country, and around the world. But, sadly, there is also a huge number of Plain Janes, and today, a metric shit ton (literally) of fat fuggos!

    Now, much of this has always been the case, but in the former paradigm, even the Plain Janes could marry the average boy next door, and they could have a rich, fulfilling, family life.

    Were there still some that never found a partner? Yes, but if you go back even further, arranged marriages, and that was remedied as well.

    But today, the ugly broads have almost no shot, They can’t sell their ass on Instagram, or TikTok, or least of all, OnlyFans. They are fuggos, and theo world has no need for them. They become the unmarried, liberal activist, colored hair cat women, that use society as their pet project, and their misery translates into a life-long aggrieved malcontent.

    They used to just become dykes.

    Now, suddenly, they have another option- transgenderism!

    So, they get that panache, and cache’, and it gives the world a way to look past them being an ugly girl; Now they can be an effeminate “boy”. What a godsend!

    Of course, this only makes them more miserable, but it takes them a while to figure that out.

    In a way, it’s the mirror reflection of the sexless male incels, that no girl or woman has ever had any use for, so they grow-up to be twenty-somethings, virgins, and pissed at the world because they will never bag a chick (when they should just turn to prostitutes or something, maybe imported LBFM’s, I dunno).

    The solution, to all of this, is a return to traditionalism, a return to smaller communities, less internet connectedness, and zero social media, teaching every 5 that she will never even be a 6, and instead, in 10 years will be a 2.

    It’s hurting males and females to know that there are so many 8, 9, and 10’s out there in the world, of both sexes, and that they are NOT one of them, and never will be. Also, they will most likely never even hook-up with one, not even for a single night.

    This school shooter chick fits the profile perfectly. She was never going to be an attractive girl, so she decide to be a fake boy, juice up on big pharma psycho meds, and then, eventually go crazy because she found out that even as a fake boy, the world still has zero use for her, and that LGBTQ+ activism, doesn’t keep you warm at night either.

    As I’ve been saying for many years, a large degree of our societal problems, when totally reduced, come down to the ugly people, and their discontent.

    We’ve merely intensified their discontent.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Dr. Rock


    a large degree of our societal problems, when totally reduced, come down to the ugly people, and their discontent
     
    Agree. This is true of groups (race, ethnicity) and individuals.
    , @Captain Tripps
    @Dr. Rock

    I agree with the general point of your comment, I would add that, in addition to those qualities we pick up on from the visual sense as you noted (face, eyes, hair, sex appeal, feminine wiles, the booty, the legs, the chest), we are much more aware/discriminating of other qualities from the other senses, though no doubt our ancestors were (at least among the elite), but it was likely less of a thing then just pairing up for survival/child-bearing and rearing. A gal may have a 6-8 body visually, but close in may have a natural musk that is off-putting to a potential male suitor, at least for long-term relationship/marriage/kids. Or she may have a naturally grating voice (that you would have to accept for long-term). Or maybe chronic halitosis. These same olfactory/aural issues apply to men from women's perspective as well. Putting next portion below the "MORE tag".

    A lot of men and women are increasingly disinterested in close physical intimacy; many young women seem to be consumed by the "ickyness!" factor ("what?!? I may have to swap saliva with my partner??? Eeewww!" Not to mention other, ahem, bodily fluids they come in inadvertent contact with). For young men this is less of an issue, but they also consider these additional "X factors" as well as current society's emphasis to punish the male through divorce.

  124. @Thoughts
    Don't underestimate interracial relationships and how badly that can affect white girl psychology

    Many women only find members of their own race attractive

    So when you see white guys dating EVERYONE with abandon

    Well....

    You may as well shoot yourself...or someone else

    I would put interracial relationships over social media in importance...

    But that won't happen because men don't want to talk about why their wife is asian and not white

    Replies: @Unintended Consequence

    You’re obviously a troll. White male is an ambiguous term that encompasses several distinct ethnic groups. For instance, many of the “white” males married to Asians are Jewish. Others are extreme types like Mitch McConnell who may never have even had a date if it weren’t for Elaine Chow. I’d think, of the non Jewish white population, more were pairing off with latinas than Asians. The population is still large enough that this mostly goes unnoticed, i.e. “whites” haven’t run out of men. My observation is that the pairing off isn’t at all random. The average white guy is still marrying the average white gal. Nerdier types are the ones marrying Asians for the most part. It’s probably no coincidence that such males don’t attract as many of their own females. It might be interesting to predict which personality traits are involved because a mass exodus from a gene pool will leave results. These guys are outliers though so may be their absence won’t be so obvious. In other words, we don’t want them back because we didn’t value these males overmuch to begin with.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Unintended Consequence

    McConnell is divorced from his 1st wife and has three daughters. Two of them, like their mother, are vociferous leftists.

    , @Anon
    @Unintended Consequence

    This post is cope from a white woman. Asian women are the most attractive and desired females, they get the best males. It is mostly successful white gentile men marrying them; not nerds or Jews who "couldn't get a white woman" (hint: white women aren't in high demand and just about anybody can get one).

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    , @Captain Tripps
    @Unintended Consequence

    Expand your thinking. In terms of sexual preference of males by their in-group females and out-group females, its not just A or B, it is also A+B. I had far more intimate female relationships with my in-group ladies; my wife just happens to in an out-group, but has the best qualities of most of the gals in my in-group I experienced before her. Was also intimate with a few gals in out-groups as well. In many ways, who we end up with as our best, ideal partner is simply serendipity. Remember, large scale interaction of the major continental racial groups is a relatively recent thing, even with Europeans and Africans thrown into the mix in the new world. Asians and Europeans in large groups and close proximity is even more recent.

  125. @Mr. Anon
    @Jack D


    Also, while society rightly concerns itself with the care of minors, if you are talking about adults (this woman was 28) then generally speaking medical care decisions should be made between a patient and their doctor without the “help” of busybodies from the internet.
     
    One can rightfully object to doctors performing such procedures on anyone, even adults, let alone children. These doctors are injecting people with sex-inappropriate hormones and lopping off healthy body parts. They are violating the most fundamental part of the Hippocratic Oath - Do No Harm. What if in the near future - it could happen - there arises a fad for people to identify as one-armed people and they start asking doctors to amputate healthy limbs? Should doctors do it? Is that okay?

    If Joseph Mengele had performed "procedures" such as these, cutting off healthy sexual organs, we would have called them war crimes - crimes against humanity. Now Vanderbilt medical school makes money performing them.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Almost Missouri, @Goddard

    What if in the near future – it could happen – there arises a fad for people to identify as one-armed people and they start asking doctors to amputate healthy limbs? Should doctors do it?

    Already here, mate.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_integrity_dysphoria

    Wiki says the “ethics of surgically amputating the undesired limb of a person with BID are difficult and controversial.” Haha, yeah, no sh*t, Wiki. Especially now that BID is an exact analog of Gender Dysphoria Syndrome.

    I was glancingly acquainted with an older woman with this problem. She shopped around her claim to need amputation and finally found someone to do it. Her consort/common-law husband fought desperately to prevent it, but ultimately he didn’t didn’t get a vote, while the ill-but-not-in-the-way-she-claimed woman and some Oath-defying surgeon did.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Almost Missouri


    Wiki says the “ethics of surgically amputating the undesired limb of a person with BID are difficult and controversial.”
     
    As far back as 2000 a UK doctor was doing this. Note that the "medical ethicist" explicitly compares this with "gender reassignment".

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2000/feb/01/futureofthenhs.health


    A surgeon who amputated the healthy limbs from two psychologically disturbed men at their request said yesterday that he saw nothing wrong with his actions and that he was disappointed he would not be able to carry out such operations again.

    Robert Smith cut off the lower legs of two patients, one from England and one from Germany, during private operations at Falkirk and district royal infirmary. The men had been turned away by surgeons across Europe before Mr Smith agreed to operate.

    Mr Smith said, however, that he did not want to specialise in the procedure. "The last thing I want to be is a world centre for cutting off arms and legs."

    The two men were suffering from an extremely rare form of body dysmorphic disorder known as apotemnophilia. Those suffering from the disease have an obsessive belief that their body is "incomplete" with four limbs and will only be complete after amputation. In most cases of apotemnophilia the desire to be an amputee is linked to a form of sexual arousal, but Mr Smith said there was no suggestion that any of his patients were motivated by sexual urges.

    Following an internal investigation, Forth Valley NHS trust has now effectively banned Mr Smith from carrying out further procedures on people suffering from the disorder. Private hospitals have also refused to allow Mr Smith to carry out the procedure.

    Mr Smith said he had six more patients waiting to be considered for amputation, two of whom had been fully assessed by psychiatrists as suitable candidates. The disorder takes over patients' lives and Mr Smith said that one of his patients had already tried to persuade friends to shoot off one of her limbs.

    "My fear is that someone will injure or kill themselves," he said. "I have very serious concerns that they will go to an unlicensed practitioner or take the law into their own hands and lie down on a railway line, or take a shotgun."

    Mr Smith's patients, whom he said were severely disabled by their disorder, had rigorous psychological and psychiatric evaluations before their operations. His decision to carry out the amputations was legal.

    Kenyon Mason, a professor dealing with medical ethics, said the law would view the case in much the same way as it would gender reassignment. "As long as you say that people can have a sex change for what is a severe psychological disease, then it is difficult to say you cannot have an amputation for this form of severe psychological disease," said Professor Mason.
     

    Maybe it's that Robert Smith from The Cure.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cPwxoQ6KCk

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    , @gail
    @Almost Missouri

    That condition of feeling a part of one's body (usually a limb), is alien or invasive, not part of his body is called apotemnophilia.

    I read a few articles years ago about this, and I recall one doctor saying that in all other respects, his patient seemed to be a well-adjusted individual. It would be interesting to know with a much larger sample size if sufferers are indeed well-adjusted.

    After all, it only takes a few thousand cells in the brain to cause some very odd behaviors.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  126. @propagandist hacker
    Childless women go crazy at a much higher rate than anyone else.. the order they get without children the greater the chance of mental illness

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    “Childless women go crazy at a much higher rate than anyone else.”

    Didn’t use to be that way. WWI in the UK left a lot of unmarried “maiden aunts” and childless brides whose young men had been killed, despite that they generally led useful and productive lives.

    It’s fifty-one spring-times since she was a bride,
    And still you may see her at each Whitsuntide
    In a dress of white linen and ribbons of green,
    As green as her memories of loving.

    The feet that were nimble tread carefully now,
    As gentle a measure as age do allow,
    Through groves of white blossom, by fields of young corn,
    Where once she was pledged to her true love.

    The fields they stand empty, the hedges grow free,
    No young men to tend them or pastures go see.
    They have gone with the forests of oak trees before
    Had gone to be wasted in battle.

    Down from their green farmlands, and from their loved ones
    Marched husbands and brothers, and fathers and sons.
    There’s a fine roll of honour where the Maypole once stood,
    And the ladies go dancing at Whitsun.

    “Many of the old ladies who swell the membership lists of Country Dance Societies are 1914/18 war widows, or ladies who have lost fiancés and lovers. Country dancing kept the memory of their young men alive. When Shirley Collins started singing the piece to the tune of The False Bride, the impact was disturbing, for many people in audiences identified with it. Tears were frequent. “

  127. What would have happened if the murderer was apprehended, instead of killed by police?

    That is an extremely painful question to ponder.

    Several commenters have expressed their revulsion at the murders, and rightly so.

    However, within the population, some people treat mass murderers as celebrities, even when there isn’t a trending “narrative” associated with their crimes.

    If this particular mass murderer was apprehended, it’s not clear what the focus of the trial would be: the murders, or “society”, or more specifically, those members of society that the murderer would allege had “persecuted” her.

    I hate to say this, but this particular murderer may not even have been convicted, or have had her conviction reversed on appeal. If convicted, she may subsequently have received a commutation of her sentence, or even a pardon, from some future Governor of Tennessee, i.e., a lunatic Democrat UniParty “World War T” ideologue or apologist.

    In any event, as a prisoner or otherwise, she would have received an enormous amount of correspondence explaining away her crimes, if not lauding them.

    I say all this not in any way of approval, just by observation of how depraved western society has become.

  128. @Forbes
    So the 28-year old shooter acquired 7 guns? These weapons aren't cheap. The era of the $25 Saturday Night Special is long over. How does this happen?

    Replies: @Muggles, @Jack D, @J.Ross, @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.

    The one gun I’ve seen is that Kel-Tec folder (~$7-800). This was the one she actually used in the video. This is being called an AR or an assault rifle; it’s not. Kel-Tecs are cheap, they were a Florida plastics company that got into firearms. About the cheapest decent quality concealable pistol you can get is the Kel-Tec diamondback.
    The Uvalde shooter had a downright impossible setup estimated by experts to have cost twelve thousand dollars: that’s with no income, no dad, and a working class stepdad. This kid’s family was rich, was evidently giving her money (they let her live there at 28 plus she was an art student, art students always need expensive supplies), and she wasn’t spending all that much.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @J.Ross


    The Uvalde shooter had a downright impossible setup estimated by experts to have cost twelve thousand dollars...
     
    Please explain this and tell us if his armament made the Uvalde cops hesitant to confront him. Thanks

    Replies: @J.Ross

  129. @Kylie
    @Jack D

    "While Dreher is almost certainly right that the Narrative Control Machine will attempt to frame the Nashville shooting in a way that is most congenial to their agenda, the right will do exactly the same (except their Machine is not as powerful)."

    True. But it's still apples and oranges.

    Already on the left I'm seeing individuals saying, basically, that the lack of acceptance for trans people basically justifies them lashing out and killing people. While there are doubtless those on the right who wouldn't be averse to trans people being killed simply because they are trans, so far I haven't seen such killing being promoted by the right.

    Replies: @Renard, @Jim Don Bob

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Jim Don Bob

    Here is the lovely compassionate Josselyn with the Guv.

    https://ace.mu.nu/archives/jossylenandkatie.jpg

  130. @Almost Missouri
    @Mike Tre

    Hearty •Agree.


    These people are degenerate and nihilistic, but they aren’t crazy in a clinical sense.
     
    Not only nihilistic, but narcissistic.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Mike Tre

    They are “normal” (in the sense of being sane and lacking any sort of autism) people who have been perverted by immorality and lack of experience. They could “snap out of it” given isolation from the perverting media and crisis. Crisis itself wouldn’t work because the perverting media would recontextualize the crisis to validate the lying. A generation literally pretended to be crazy out of boredom, but there is no way to pretend to be crazy: if you act crazy long enough, there’s no meaningful difference from true insanity.

  131. @Reg Cæsar
    @J.Ross

    Mädchen is neuter because the suffix -chen, cognate with English -kin, is always neuter. Likewise, -lein is always feminine.

    Do the Twains and others who mock the language know this much?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @†

    Mädchen is indeed neuter, but it still has number and case, and it happens that it’s one of those German words where the definite article changes to show gender, number and case (this is what enables the German slang practice of just using the article) while the word itself largely stays the same, thus Die Mädchen is perfectly legitimate. Das Mädchen is the girl and Die Mädchen is the girls. No German would look at Die Mädchen as a pure beginner error as they would with Das Kinder.

  132. @Mr. Anon
    @Jack D


    Also, while society rightly concerns itself with the care of minors, if you are talking about adults (this woman was 28) then generally speaking medical care decisions should be made between a patient and their doctor without the “help” of busybodies from the internet.
     
    One can rightfully object to doctors performing such procedures on anyone, even adults, let alone children. These doctors are injecting people with sex-inappropriate hormones and lopping off healthy body parts. They are violating the most fundamental part of the Hippocratic Oath - Do No Harm. What if in the near future - it could happen - there arises a fad for people to identify as one-armed people and they start asking doctors to amputate healthy limbs? Should doctors do it? Is that okay?

    If Joseph Mengele had performed "procedures" such as these, cutting off healthy sexual organs, we would have called them war crimes - crimes against humanity. Now Vanderbilt medical school makes money performing them.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Almost Missouri, @Goddard

    What if in the near future – it could happen – there arises a fad for people to identify as one-armed people and they start asking doctors to amputate healthy limbs? Should doctors do it? Is that okay?

    There has arisen a fad even more insidious than chopping off one’s cock or arm:

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/belgian-woman-her-20s-euthanized-after-suffering-mental-trauma-brussels-airport-bombing

    • Replies: @njguy73
    @Goddard

    So in their eyes, if the terrorists couldn't kill them, then we have to.

    If there's a Hell, Bin Laden is in it, and he's laughing his ass off.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  133. @Nietzsche Guevara
    At what point do smart people like Steve and his readers/commenters begin to openly discuss the possibility that these events are orchestrated by intelligence agencies, in association with mental health professionals, to push an agenda?

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @J.Ross

    At what point do smart people like Steve and his readers/commenters begin to openly discuss the possibility that these events are orchestrated by intelligence agencies, in association with mental health professionals, to push an agenda?

    We’re not so lazy and weak as to rely on such an obvious cope.

    While some of these events are suspicious (LV), or result in things that look suspicious (the Sandy Hook murderer turning his victims into hamburger by doing half to full rifle mag dumps into them), we don’t need the crutch of positing a specific controlling puppet master behind all or most of these events to understand the inevitable results of an uncontrolled demolition of a society at least a century in the making.

    You want us to entertain your obsession? Cite some evidence, by which I mean facts or near enough, instead of making a broad sweeping claim which comes across as “Squirrel!” to me.

  134. @Arclight
    The demand made by the woke, whether it be race or sex, is that rather than individuals alter their behavior it is society's responsibility to change for the benefit of relatively small numbers of people. Failure of society to do so is oppression, and the appropriate response is acting out in displeasure and renewed demands for society to be forced to change. Not only is this unfair to the vast majority of people, but it creates an itch that can never be scratched for the supposed victims - anything short of perfection means there is more 'work' to be done, and thus more angst and demands.

    Obviously this has disastrous effects for blacks in particular, but the assault on minors is just as grotesque. It teaches the opposite of resiliency, which is a critical skill in normal human relationships and work. And for the unfortunates who fall into the clutches of the 'gender affirming' ghouls, it seems self-evident to me that interfering with the normal physical development of an immature human through drugs will obviously produce lifelong consequences, aside from treating a scientific impossibility.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad, @Corvinus

    The demand made by the woke, whether it be race or sex, is that rather than individuals alter their behavior it is society’s responsibility to change for the benefit of relatively small numbers of people. Failure of society to do so is oppression, and the appropriate response is acting out in displeasure and renewed demands for society to be forced to change. Not only is this unfair to the vast majority of people, but it creates an itch that can never be scratched for the supposed victims – anything short of perfection means there is more ‘work’ to be done, and thus more angst and demands.

    Bingo–terrific paragraphy Arclight.

    That’s the gist of this whole toxic minoritarian enterprise. Instead of organic normality–the majority has its culture and norms, which various weirdo minorities can chose to get along with or just clear the hell out, we have this silly slimy notion that it is the normal people who have to adapt to various troublesome whiny minorities.

    This tranny nonsense is minoritarianism raised to utter parody. You’d think it was some corner case thought experiment that I had cooked up to mock the whole minoritarian enterprise. But no. After 60 years of relentless propaganda, minoritarianism is so entrenched our elites are actually imposing objectively crazy people on us as another victim group we sad sack white-bread normies must stop oppressing and cater to.

    “You can’t make this up” was coined for occasions like this.

    My take is this tranny thing–including this attack–are the perfect vehicle for conservatives to press the attack against the whole stinking minoritarian enterprise.

    Normal people get that this stuff is nuts and that they should not be catering to or taking abuse from these obnoxious whiny loons. It is the perfect “gateway” for pushing forward and pointing out that we normies should not be catering to minorities, period. But rather have politics and policies, culture and community that best maintain and reproduces ourselves, our families, our nation.

    • Thanks: Arclight
    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @AnotherDad

    Exceptionally good comments from both Arclight and you. But:


    This tranny nonsense is minoritarianism raised to utter parody. You’d think it was some corner case thought experiment that I had cooked up to mock the whole minoritarian enterprise. But no.
     
    Here you need to apply the holiness spiral phenomena to your minoritarianism thesis. Because plenty of people like our host predicted this, and many more are not at all surprised.

    See Arclight touch on this at the end of the quote:

    [...] it creates an itch that can never be scratched for the supposed victims – anything short of perfection means there is more ‘work’ to be done, and thus more angst and demands.
     
    That's partly status seeking in a holiness spiral, which often includes more spiraling by the supposed victims to gain more holiness.

    For example, there are many graduations of "transgender" including I think "gender queer" at the low end. Or when did this Nashville shooter started dressing unambiguously male, we have an example at that at the "show us your stuff" art exhibition or whatever. She also seemed to waffle on preferred name even if preferred pronouns were Official on LinkedIn which isn't sufficiently part of the censorship-industrial complex to Shut It Down quickly.

    Outside of the instant case, one thing we think is a factor in M->F is the very low status of white males. There's more to it, normal males don't respond to such by wearing a dress, but just doing that and insisting one is trans with new name and pronouns etc. moves them from the very bottom to the very top stratum of current Leftist holiness.

    There will of course be a next level to arise....
  135. @Anon
    Typically I have a snide, snarky, sniveling, mocking spoof of a remark. Usually work in "Wakanda" somehow.

    But this tranny mass murder is so disgusting. Nothing to say. How could there ever be justice for such a heinous crime?

    Maybe we could start with Gulags for the fake-journalists that run cover for these criminals, spread the tranny propaganda. Then send the big-pharma people that push the drugs. Bulldoze the "hospitals" that push the tranny treatments. Etc. No tolerance.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    Then send the big-pharma people that push the drugs [to new “Gulags”].

    Show us on the doll where Big Pharma touched you.

    Because the relevant drugs are obvious and affect fundamental processes so they’re old and out of patent, AKA they’re generic. For example puberty blockers are essential mitigation for premature puberty which is obviously very bad news.

    Your other scorched earth prescriptions fail either the “how can this be used against me?” test absent a coup or make a symbolic point that wastes resources we desperately need to handle the rapidly aging initial Baby Boomer cohort.

    First we have a “belling the cat” problem which is only able to be addressed at the (Red) state level of making World War T toxic enough that enforcement of existing laws and creation and enforcement of new ones becomes standard and not subject to much debate.

    For the former, see Florida and the weak sauce of revoking venue liquor laws for drag shows for minors … and that it’s the most muscular attack made on them until maybe recently. For the latter see the difficultly of even getting “nothing irreversible until age 18” laws passed. While on the other side this is described as very literal genocide, and many are claiming was a cause of this Nashville attack, as in the law shouldn’t have been made.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @That Would Be Telling

    "Show us on the doll where Big Pharma touched you."

    Is it OK if the spot on the doll is, well, sort of an Israel-shaped spot on a map of the Eastern Med which is clearly labeled, um... "Israel"?

    Do intricate mazes of red arrows connecting back-and-forth banking arrows and zany financial zigs and zags count as "spots"? How about a bought-and-paid-for Congress? Is DC a "spot"?

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

  136. @Jack D
    @Almost Missouri

    I think this would be a tough case to make. First of all, anyone receiving this surgery will have signed a bunch of consent forms. 2nd, the doctor will bring in a number of other doctors who are "expert witnesses" to testify that gender affirming care meets the standards of care. They will get the f'ing heads of Harvard Medical School, Johns Hopkins and the Mayo Clinic to all testify in the doctor's favor. Not to mention the Surgeon General her/himself.

    If there was $ to be made with such suits, trust me, there is SOMEONE who would have taken these cases. The guys who do medical malpractice work don't care who they sue as long as there is an insurance policy to go after. You could be doing life saving heart surgery on babies and they would sue you if they thought that they could get a verdict in their favor.

    If you really want to go after this, it's going to have to be legislative because the current medical profession consensus is that this sort of surgery is ethical and proper, regardless of whether you think that it is barbaric, and if you try to go after them the doctors will circle the wagons.

    Replies: @Ian Smith, @Pixo, @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad

    Appeal to authority. Besides, doctors do circumcisions which are painful, dangerous, and medically useless 99% of the time.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Ian Smith

    Are they war criminals too?

    Replies: @Ian Smith

  137. @Jack D
    @Mr. Anon

    The doctors who do this to adults are not war criminals. They are acting with the informed consent of and at the request of their patients. You might disagree (obviously you do) but some doctors think that this is appropriate medical care. The doctors who performed a lobotomy on Rosemary Kennedy thought the same and they weren't war criminals either. Maybe in some more enlightened future age, your views will become the norm but for now they aren't. Calling these doctors "war criminals" encourages the deranged to kill them, as abortion doctors have been murdered.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Catdog, @Mr. Anon

    The doctors who do this to adults are not war criminals.
    ==
    Walter Freeman belonged in prison, as do the endocrinologists and surgeons in question.

  138. @AnonfromTN
    There were more mass shootings in the US (132 by March 29) than days in 2023:
    https://www.insider.com/how-many-us-mass-shootings-america-2023

    The one in Nashville is typical: a mental case (the very fact that she was trans clearly indicates that she was mentally deranged) with guns enters a school and starts shooting indiscriminately. Murdered three 9-year old kids and three teachers. Thank goodness, TN is a red state: the cops arrived and shot her (the only right thing to do in this case).

    Key problem is that in the US any lunatic or criminal can easily get hold of firearms. A psycho with a gun is a lot more dangerous than the same psycho with a knife.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @duncsbaby

    There were more mass shootings in the US (132 by March 29) than days in 2023:

    You may ask yourself, “If there were 132 mass shootings this year, why haven’t I heard about the other 131 before?”

    Because they were blacks Keepin’ It Real.

    This is the media’s double game: memory-hole the 131 mass shootings by blacks, then go DefCon 3 on the one white shooter. Then publicize “132 mass shootings this year”, knowing that the audience does the mental math as “one white shooter × 132 = 132 white shooters”.

    The psyop works extremely well. I’ve explained it in detail with evidence to intelligent and educated people. They still refuse to accept it, and insist on believing that droves of violent redneck riflemen stalk the land.

    I’ve written about the double game, its amusing failure mode, and the corrupt record--keeping before.

    • Replies: @Dr. Rock
    @Almost Missouri

    Yep, it's the same thing they do with "gun deaths" and "gun violence".

    We all know the demos that drive the numbers, because we've looked into it, or seen them here, but for the common dolt, all they hear are the outrageous statistics, and think "Gee, that's just terrible, we should do something".

    If you remove black violence, our country is one of the safest on the planet, and our cities would have extremely low rates of violence.

    Hence, black violence drives the statistics, and then they use those stats to attack lawful, usually white, gun owners, as if THEY are causing those sky high numbers.

    It's a con, just like everything.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @another fred

  139. @Jack D
    @MEH 0910

    From those lobbying against the release of the manifesto, you can infer that it would not be helpful to the LGBTQ cause.

    Nevertheless, it may still not be a good idea to release it because it can lead to copycat crimes. The sick individual WANTED this manifesto released and perpetrated this crime in part to attract attention to it. Future perps should know that this is not an effective strategy and that no matter how many people they kill, their stupid manifesto will never see the light of day.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Elsewhere, @res, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @David In TN, @fredyetagain aka superhonky, @Brutusale, @Reg Cæsar, @Dumbo

    Hey, the trannies say that they just want to be treated like everyone else, so if a manifesto of one deranged individual is released, then they all must be released.

  140. @AnotherDad
    @Arclight


    The demand made by the woke, whether it be race or sex, is that rather than individuals alter their behavior it is society’s responsibility to change for the benefit of relatively small numbers of people. Failure of society to do so is oppression, and the appropriate response is acting out in displeasure and renewed demands for society to be forced to change. Not only is this unfair to the vast majority of people, but it creates an itch that can never be scratched for the supposed victims – anything short of perfection means there is more ‘work’ to be done, and thus more angst and demands.
     
    Bingo--terrific paragraphy Arclight.

    That's the gist of this whole toxic minoritarian enterprise. Instead of organic normality--the majority has its culture and norms, which various weirdo minorities can chose to get along with or just clear the hell out, we have this silly slimy notion that it is the normal people who have to adapt to various troublesome whiny minorities.

    This tranny nonsense is minoritarianism raised to utter parody. You'd think it was some corner case thought experiment that I had cooked up to mock the whole minoritarian enterprise. But no. After 60 years of relentless propaganda, minoritarianism is so entrenched our elites are actually imposing objectively crazy people on us as another victim group we sad sack white-bread normies must stop oppressing and cater to.

    "You can't make this up" was coined for occasions like this.


    My take is this tranny thing--including this attack--are the perfect vehicle for conservatives to press the attack against the whole stinking minoritarian enterprise.

    Normal people get that this stuff is nuts and that they should not be catering to or taking abuse from these obnoxious whiny loons. It is the perfect "gateway" for pushing forward and pointing out that we normies should not be catering to minorities, period. But rather have politics and policies, culture and community that best maintain and reproduces ourselves, our families, our nation.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    Exceptionally good comments from both Arclight and you. But:

    This tranny nonsense is minoritarianism raised to utter parody. You’d think it was some corner case thought experiment that I had cooked up to mock the whole minoritarian enterprise. But no.

    Here you need to apply the holiness spiral phenomena to your minoritarianism thesis. Because plenty of people like our host predicted this, and many more are not at all surprised.

    See Arclight touch on this at the end of the quote:

    […] it creates an itch that can never be scratched for the supposed victims – anything short of perfection means there is more ‘work’ to be done, and thus more angst and demands.

    That’s partly status seeking in a holiness spiral, which often includes more spiraling by the supposed victims to gain more holiness.

    For example, there are many graduations of “transgender” including I think “gender queer” at the low end. Or when did this Nashville shooter started dressing unambiguously male, we have an example at that at the “show us your stuff” art exhibition or whatever. She also seemed to waffle on preferred name even if preferred pronouns were Official on LinkedIn which isn’t sufficiently part of the censorship-industrial complex to Shut It Down quickly.

    Outside of the instant case, one thing we think is a factor in M->F is the very low status of white males. There’s more to it, normal males don’t respond to such by wearing a dress, but just doing that and insisting one is trans with new name and pronouns etc. moves them from the very bottom to the very top stratum of current Leftist holiness.

    There will of course be a next level to arise….

  141. OT — ActBlue (Democrat political campaign rat%#@$ers, like the similarly named but unrelated ShareBlue) says this random old guy donated to them 31,000 times. He’s just hearing about this now. Excuse to not click: it’s James O’Keefe. But if this is real, he just sank post-O’Keefe Veritas.

  142. @Muggles
    @Forbes


    So the 28-year old shooter acquired 7 guns? These weapons aren’t cheap. The era of the $25 Saturday Night Special is long over. How does this happen?
     
    This perp merely lied.

    As I recall the federal form for a firearm purchase requires the buyer to sign a statement saying that the aren't under some mental health treatment protocol, or something along those lines.

    This women had been in and out of mental institutions.

    Though they claim that the guns were purchased over a several year period. Hidden from parents, which whom she still lived at age 28. Hmmm...

    The same attestation form also includes non felon status and a few other things. Some of these things are electronically vetted by the ATF after the fact. Others not. Hunter Biden purchased a firearm after being discharged from the military for illegal drug use. (also on the form).

    Subsequently the Secret Service intimidated the gun store with his form to hand it over to them. Of course Hunter Biden is Special. But sometimes liars turn out to be mass murderers.

    Replies: @SF, @prosa123

    As I recall the federal form for a firearm purchase requires the buyer to sign a statement saying that the aren’t under some mental health treatment protocol, or something along those lines.
    This women had been in and out of mental institutions.

    Only an involuntary commitment is a disqualifying factor. If she had checked herself into the mental hospitals she would be able to buy firearms.

  143. @Jack D
    @Arclight

    As for the use of drugs (hormones), keep in mind that we don't know whether they were being used in this case or not.

    Also, while society rightly concerns itself with the care of minors, if you are talking about adults (this woman was 28) then generally speaking medical care decisions should be made between a patient and their doctor without the "help" of busybodies from the internet. This may not be your cup of tea, but perhaps it was hers. Even if she was receiving hormone therapy, becoming violent in this way must be a very rare side effect and probably is not connected to her behavior at all.

    Currently in The Atlantic, there is a column written by a grieving father who lost his six year old son. He says (somewhat vaguely) that the cause of death was "a household accident, one likely brought on by a rare cerebral-swelling condition". I don't know quite what that means, but somehow a bunch of internet trolls picked up on this child's death and attributed it to the vax (the boy's doctors say it was in no way vax related) and sent a multitude of cruel messages to the family. This seems to be a thing now. We saw it after Damar Hamlin's near death experience too. If any vaccinated person dies prematurely, there are people waiting in the wings to blame their death on the vax.

    The father comes to the same conclusion that I did - that this is a way people can reduce their own anxiety. Instead of thinking "this could happen to me and my family", which is a frightening thought, you find some difference between your family and the family of the unfortunate, so now you can say instead, " this could NEVER happen to me and my family, because this family did X and I would never do X." This person is now the OTHER who is different from you and so, not only do you have nothing to fear but you can taunt them for their "foolish" behavior that you would never do.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Arclight, @martin_2, @AnotherDad

    Instead of thinking “this could happen to me and my family”, which is a frightening thought, you find some difference between your family and the family of the unfortunate, so now you can say instead, ” this could NEVER happen to me and my family, because this family did X and I would never do X.”

    This is why when we hear of someone of our own age dying suddenly we ask ourselves “Did they smoke?” and are relieved when we find out they did.

  144. @Jack D
    @Arclight

    As for the use of drugs (hormones), keep in mind that we don't know whether they were being used in this case or not.

    Also, while society rightly concerns itself with the care of minors, if you are talking about adults (this woman was 28) then generally speaking medical care decisions should be made between a patient and their doctor without the "help" of busybodies from the internet. This may not be your cup of tea, but perhaps it was hers. Even if she was receiving hormone therapy, becoming violent in this way must be a very rare side effect and probably is not connected to her behavior at all.

    Currently in The Atlantic, there is a column written by a grieving father who lost his six year old son. He says (somewhat vaguely) that the cause of death was "a household accident, one likely brought on by a rare cerebral-swelling condition". I don't know quite what that means, but somehow a bunch of internet trolls picked up on this child's death and attributed it to the vax (the boy's doctors say it was in no way vax related) and sent a multitude of cruel messages to the family. This seems to be a thing now. We saw it after Damar Hamlin's near death experience too. If any vaccinated person dies prematurely, there are people waiting in the wings to blame their death on the vax.

    The father comes to the same conclusion that I did - that this is a way people can reduce their own anxiety. Instead of thinking "this could happen to me and my family", which is a frightening thought, you find some difference between your family and the family of the unfortunate, so now you can say instead, " this could NEVER happen to me and my family, because this family did X and I would never do X." This person is now the OTHER who is different from you and so, not only do you have nothing to fear but you can taunt them for their "foolish" behavior that you would never do.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Arclight, @martin_2, @AnotherDad

    Also, while society rightly concerns itself with the care of minors, if you are talking about adults (this woman was 28) then generally speaking medical care decisions should be made between a patient and their doctor without the “help” of busybodies from the internet.

    “Generally speaking”.

    My instincts are generally libertarian. I’ve got reasonable dose of the “get out of my face” instinct.

    But every community has the inherent right to determine the community norms that people must follow in that community. We have–and have had–all sorts of codified norms about all sorts of stuff that goes beyond fist/nose–drugs, alcohol, sex, adultery, homosexuality, abortion, business hours, noise after hours, building codes, etc. etc. …

    Personally, I’d be happy to live in community with a bunch of our old “repressive” norms. This recent one of deciding smoking weed was some sort of civil right–definitely could do without that. AnotherMom and I will probably launch our evening stroll in an hour or so … if we do our usually into town, pretty much guaranteed to be olfactorily assaulted by someone’s stinkweed a few times.

    If I had to vote, I’d vote to ban any of this “gender affirming care”, and not just for minors. The whole thing is retched pig pile of harmful nonsense catering to nut jobs with docs and surgeons and drug peddlers making money from it that ultimately–insurance premiums and taxes–comes from normies’ pockets.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @AnotherDad

    “But every community has the inherent right to determine the community norms that people must follow in that community. We have–and have had–all sorts of codified norms about all sorts of stuff that goes beyond fist/nose–drugs, alcohol, sex, adultery, homosexuality, abortion, business hours, noise after hours, building codes, etc. etc. …”

    Right, and if we employ your logic, given you just stated you have libertarian leanings, if a community, say Colorado legalizing weed or California legalizing gay marriage, then that’s their liberty.

    But the reality is you don’t have libertarian blood in you. More like fascist.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    , @Art Deco
    @AnotherDad

    What happened is that ordinances containing personal self-indulgence and sedition were annulled by the judicial ukase, ignored by prosecutors, or repealed. What replaced them was an ever more rococo set of regulations on people making a living and transacting business. IOW, less freedom for working adults with families, more freedom for post-adolescents with few responsibilities and more freedom for people who do not function well as adults (e.g. schizophrenics and miscellaneous vagrants).

  145. @woodsie
    I worked for eccentric filmmaker who had a lot of rules. One of them was "No Pronouns."
    He never wanted to hear "he said," or "they."
    "Who are THEY?" he would explode, exasperated. "Who the f*** are "They"?
    "He who? Who said? No Pronouns!"
    It's actually a pretty good rule.

    Replies: @martin_2

    Yes. It is surely bad manners to refer to a person as “he” or “she” when they are in your presence and you are referring to them to a third party. I would either use their name or use a phrase like “this gentleman” or “this lady” if I was, say, serving them in a shop.

  146. @Forbes
    So the 28-year old shooter acquired 7 guns? These weapons aren't cheap. The era of the $25 Saturday Night Special is long over. How does this happen?

    Replies: @Muggles, @Jack D, @J.Ross, @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.

    When you live at home with mom and dad and there’s no rent or grocery bill to pay, money piles up pretty fast, if you work even part time.

  147. @Jack D
    @Mr. Anon

    The doctors who do this to adults are not war criminals. They are acting with the informed consent of and at the request of their patients. You might disagree (obviously you do) but some doctors think that this is appropriate medical care. The doctors who performed a lobotomy on Rosemary Kennedy thought the same and they weren't war criminals either. Maybe in some more enlightened future age, your views will become the norm but for now they aren't. Calling these doctors "war criminals" encourages the deranged to kill them, as abortion doctors have been murdered.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Catdog, @Mr. Anon

    The patients “consenting” are mentally ill.

  148. @Nietzsche Guevara
    At what point do smart people like Steve and his readers/commenters begin to openly discuss the possibility that these events are orchestrated by intelligence agencies, in association with mental health professionals, to push an agenda?

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @J.Ross

    The criticism to make here is that this doesn’t get us anywhere: we can’t “prove” it, there are no logical next steps if we could, the whole thing is totally effected anyway by simply being a moral traditional person who takes everything you hear with a grain of salt.
    If you want to follow this there are claims, such as the various elite clubs and their plans for the future, there are precedents such as the early Bolshviks or Weimar, and of course going by logic it makes perfect sense: they want us unable to interfere with them. Trannies are politically neutered. They are the ideal big pharma consumer, dependent on drugs for the rest of their short lives, but they have nothing to say to the unelected bureaucracy. Their politics consists of people-punishing hooliganism such as we have seen, punching down not up. They will never spread beyond a certain level but they can cause disproportionate damage, even if only as a humiliation ritual.

  149. @Ebony Obelisk
    @Dragoslav

    He 50s were a hellhole for anyone not a white male christian

    Don’t you fools understand that your fake racist bigoted mysoginistic white breads World is what caused this mess?

    This tragedy wouldn’t have happened if bigots like you had not made the persons life a living hell

    We the People are getting tired of bigotry so expect more lashing out. It’s unfortunate but if you keep poking the bear dont be surprised when things like this happen

    Replies: @Dr. X, @AceDeuce, @Reg Cæsar, @BenjaminL, @TWS

    He 50s were a hellhole for anyone not a white male christian

    Good.

    • Agree: Vinnyvette
  150. @Travis
    @Dragoslav

    even in the sixties the majority of women were married by age 23. While marriage rates fell in the 80s and 90s, young unmarried females during the 1990's typically had a romantic partner. In contrast today 25% of American females under the age of 30 have not gotten laid in the past year. Rates of sexual activity declined with the millennials and has declined even more over the last decade. The lack of pair bonding and lack of romantic partners is one of the factors causing the rise of mental illness among American females. Millennials and Gen Z are getting less sex than their great grandparents. This lack of sexual activity among young females has resulted in increased rates of depression and anxiety. Unfortunately American men no longer have the testosterone levels required to bang below average looking females. Testosterone levels tof wenty year-old men today are lower than 65 year old males from 25 years ago. Thus the lack of pair bonding is a result of declining testosterone levels which makes men less sexually active, thus lowering the ability of females to get laid.

    Replies: @J, @YetAnotherAnon, @Corvinus, @Vinnyvette, @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    “In contrast today 25% of American females under the age of 30 have not gotten laid in the past year.
    American men no longer have the testosterone levels required to bang below average looking females. “

    This is terrible and appalling news, indeed a national crisis. However I’m sure there are plenty of … more mature chaps shall we say… who would selflessly step up to the plate in a national emergency.

    (You have to remember that to an ancient guy ANY woman under 30 who’s not a whale is above average.)

    But this can only be a temporary (while enjoyable) fix. I think we need a Testosterone Commission.

  151. Teen girls have always been nuts. Arthur Miller wrote a play about it.

  152. Which idea is stupider? Toilet training or gender assignment?

    Talk among yourselves.

    Isn’t the traditional test question merely “Discuss”?

    ESSAY TERMS EXPLAINED

    …cognitive behavioral therapy. CBT seems to work the best of the many talking cures. It’s a hardheaded approach that says: If your patterns of thinking are bad for you, then learn better patterns.

    This is mirrored in the difference between marital counseling, in which the couple is treated together– and results in debilitating defensiveness– and marital coaching, which treats each partner individually, without the other’s participation needed. Eric Barker makes the astonishing claim in Plays Well With Others that marriage counseling was first developed in the 1920s by the National Socialists, as a eugenic measure– happy German couples will produce more babies for the Reich. A cursory search seems to suggest this checks out. Like many other NSDAP initiatives, it not only overpromises, but makes everything worse in the end.

    Peter Brimelow called political correctness, now the ungrammatical “wokeness”, “Hitler’s revenge”. This also works for the counseling industry complex.

  153. @Almost Missouri
    @Mr. Anon


    What if in the near future – it could happen – there arises a fad for people to identify as one-armed people and they start asking doctors to amputate healthy limbs? Should doctors do it?
     
    Already here, mate.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_integrity_dysphoria

    Wiki says the "ethics of surgically amputating the undesired limb of a person with BID are difficult and controversial." Haha, yeah, no sh*t, Wiki. Especially now that BID is an exact analog of Gender Dysphoria Syndrome.

    I was glancingly acquainted with an older woman with this problem. She shopped around her claim to need amputation and finally found someone to do it. Her consort/common-law husband fought desperately to prevent it, but ultimately he didn't didn't get a vote, while the ill-but-not-in-the-way-she-claimed woman and some Oath-defying surgeon did.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @gail

    Wiki says the “ethics of surgically amputating the undesired limb of a person with BID are difficult and controversial.”

    As far back as 2000 a UK doctor was doing this. Note that the “medical ethicist” explicitly compares this with “gender reassignment”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2000/feb/01/futureofthenhs.health

    A surgeon who amputated the healthy limbs from two psychologically disturbed men at their request said yesterday that he saw nothing wrong with his actions and that he was disappointed he would not be able to carry out such operations again.

    Robert Smith cut off the lower legs of two patients, one from England and one from Germany, during private operations at Falkirk and district royal infirmary. The men had been turned away by surgeons across Europe before Mr Smith agreed to operate.

    Mr Smith said, however, that he did not want to specialise in the procedure. “The last thing I want to be is a world centre for cutting off arms and legs.”

    The two men were suffering from an extremely rare form of body dysmorphic disorder known as apotemnophilia. Those suffering from the disease have an obsessive belief that their body is “incomplete” with four limbs and will only be complete after amputation. In most cases of apotemnophilia the desire to be an amputee is linked to a form of sexual arousal, but Mr Smith said there was no suggestion that any of his patients were motivated by sexual urges.

    Following an internal investigation, Forth Valley NHS trust has now effectively banned Mr Smith from carrying out further procedures on people suffering from the disorder. Private hospitals have also refused to allow Mr Smith to carry out the procedure.

    Mr Smith said he had six more patients waiting to be considered for amputation, two of whom had been fully assessed by psychiatrists as suitable candidates. The disorder takes over patients’ lives and Mr Smith said that one of his patients had already tried to persuade friends to shoot off one of her limbs.

    “My fear is that someone will injure or kill themselves,” he said. “I have very serious concerns that they will go to an unlicensed practitioner or take the law into their own hands and lie down on a railway line, or take a shotgun.”

    Mr Smith’s patients, whom he said were severely disabled by their disorder, had rigorous psychological and psychiatric evaluations before their operations. His decision to carry out the amputations was legal.

    Kenyon Mason, a professor dealing with medical ethics, said the law would view the case in much the same way as it would gender reassignment. “As long as you say that people can have a sex change for what is a severe psychological disease, then it is difficult to say you cannot have an amputation for this form of severe psychological disease,” said Professor Mason.

    Maybe it’s that Robert Smith from The Cure.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @YetAnotherAnon


    As far back as 2000 a UK doctor was doing this.
     
    The woman I aware of was early 1990s, but apparently she had been shopping her compulsion around since the 1980s. So yeah, it's not exactly novel, but they didn't have the unnatural wind of trannymania at their backs then.

    Both Wiki and this Guardian article claim there is a sexual dimension to this peculiar obsession, but from what little I knew about this woman I would say that was not the case, and this amputation doctor also denies any sexual component. I can't see how that would compute anyhow: "cut my limb off"="I need more/less sex"?!? It seems more likely that assigning a sexual dimension to the matter is just a leftover of Freud's baleful everything-is-infantile-sexuality diagnostic.

    I remember as a youth hearing that Monty Python bit (and also the Life of Brian gag about the wannabe transgender terrorist) and thinking, "that's cute, but it's a little too absurd to be properly funny." Now of course society has taken the distance between 1970s extreme absurdity and current year holy writ in a single stride, and I wonder why the sublime absurdity of those gags couldn't inoculate civilization against the tranny madness. Then I wonder how long before they become Hate Speech and their authors are cancelled.

  154. @Almost Missouri
    @AnonfromTN


    There were more mass shootings in the US (132 by March 29) than days in 2023:
     
    You may ask yourself, "If there were 132 mass shootings this year, why haven't I heard about the other 131 before?"

    Because they were blacks Keepin' It Real.

    This is the media's double game: memory-hole the 131 mass shootings by blacks, then go DefCon 3 on the one white shooter. Then publicize "132 mass shootings this year", knowing that the audience does the mental math as "one white shooter × 132 = 132 white shooters".

    The psyop works extremely well. I've explained it in detail with evidence to intelligent and educated people. They still refuse to accept it, and insist on believing that droves of violent redneck riflemen stalk the land.

    I've written about the double game, its amusing failure mode, and the corrupt record-keeping before.

    Replies: @Dr. Rock

    Yep, it’s the same thing they do with “gun deaths” and “gun violence”.

    We all know the demos that drive the numbers, because we’ve looked into it, or seen them here, but for the common dolt, all they hear are the outrageous statistics, and think “Gee, that’s just terrible, we should do something”.

    If you remove black violence, our country is one of the safest on the planet, and our cities would have extremely low rates of violence.

    Hence, black violence drives the statistics, and then they use those stats to attack lawful, usually white, gun owners, as if THEY are causing those sky high numbers.

    It’s a con, just like everything.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Dr. Rock


    Yep, it’s the same thing they do with “gun deaths” and “gun violence”.
     
    They also do it with "hate incidents". They cite SLPC/ADL figures (mostly composed of someone saying or writing something "racist") as proof that "hate incidents are skyrocketing" then switch to discussing an actual crime such as murder. The unattentive listener (99%) is left with the impression that racist "hate" murders are "skyrocketing" when in fact it's just a bunch of statistical filler. (Well, actually hate murders are rising—six more in Nashville just now—but that's not the kind of hate they mean.)

    Another common deployment of the trick is in race-mixing propaganda. The big US "intermarriage" category is Hispanics and non-Hispanics marrying each other. Many of them are probably not aware that their e.g. Chilean spouse is statistically a "different race". But the news story will run with a stock photo of a Daniel Kaluuya-esque African with a Nordic blonde, implying that this is the modal (pun intended) intermarriage. Most readers will glance at the "Intermarriages Increasing!" headline and the photo, reach the approved (but false) conclusion, and move on.

    It's a crude trick, but very effective. So they use it constantly. I hear news anchors use all the time: cite a specific instance then cite a general category, implying that the former is representative of the latter when it is often not even the same concept.

    As Steve says, what goes unmentioned goes unthought, so the trick needs a name. It's not quite a "bait-and-switch". "Double game" is the best I've come up with.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

    , @another fred
    @Dr. Rock

    And also remove the suicides. Suicide is tragic (usually), but it does not tear at the fabric of society the way random violence does. And there are also the ones who "needed killin'".

  155. @Travis
    @Dragoslav

    even in the sixties the majority of women were married by age 23. While marriage rates fell in the 80s and 90s, young unmarried females during the 1990's typically had a romantic partner. In contrast today 25% of American females under the age of 30 have not gotten laid in the past year. Rates of sexual activity declined with the millennials and has declined even more over the last decade. The lack of pair bonding and lack of romantic partners is one of the factors causing the rise of mental illness among American females. Millennials and Gen Z are getting less sex than their great grandparents. This lack of sexual activity among young females has resulted in increased rates of depression and anxiety. Unfortunately American men no longer have the testosterone levels required to bang below average looking females. Testosterone levels tof wenty year-old men today are lower than 65 year old males from 25 years ago. Thus the lack of pair bonding is a result of declining testosterone levels which makes men less sexually active, thus lowering the ability of females to get laid.

    Replies: @J, @YetAnotherAnon, @Corvinus, @Vinnyvette, @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    “Millennials and Gen Z are getting less sex than their great grandparents. This lack of sexual activity among young females has resulted in increased rates of depression and anxiety.”

    You mean among young men and women. Which, in reality, is desirable for civilization building—no sec outside of marriage. That’s what God fearing Christians have ultimately sought. You know, the ones who voted for Trump.

  156. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    Also, while society rightly concerns itself with the care of minors, if you are talking about adults (this woman was 28) then generally speaking medical care decisions should be made between a patient and their doctor without the “help” of busybodies from the internet.
     
    "Generally speaking".

    My instincts are generally libertarian. I've got reasonable dose of the "get out of my face" instinct.

    But every community has the inherent right to determine the community norms that people must follow in that community. We have--and have had--all sorts of codified norms about all sorts of stuff that goes beyond fist/nose--drugs, alcohol, sex, adultery, homosexuality, abortion, business hours, noise after hours, building codes, etc. etc. ...

    Personally, I'd be happy to live in community with a bunch of our old "repressive" norms. This recent one of deciding smoking weed was some sort of civil right--definitely could do without that. AnotherMom and I will probably launch our evening stroll in an hour or so ... if we do our usually into town, pretty much guaranteed to be olfactorily assaulted by someone's stinkweed a few times.

    If I had to vote, I'd vote to ban any of this "gender affirming care", and not just for minors. The whole thing is retched pig pile of harmful nonsense catering to nut jobs with docs and surgeons and drug peddlers making money from it that ultimately--insurance premiums and taxes--comes from normies' pockets.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Art Deco

    “But every community has the inherent right to determine the community norms that people must follow in that community. We have–and have had–all sorts of codified norms about all sorts of stuff that goes beyond fist/nose–drugs, alcohol, sex, adultery, homosexuality, abortion, business hours, noise after hours, building codes, etc. etc. …”

    Right, and if we employ your logic, given you just stated you have libertarian leanings, if a community, say Colorado legalizing weed or California legalizing gay marriage, then that’s their liberty.

    But the reality is you don’t have libertarian blood in you. More like fascist.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Corvinus

    Corny, once again I'm going to try--yes, I know it's hopeless--to improve your reasoning power.

    I'm the "separate nations" guy. I have no problem with other people living in "Weedville" or "Queerville" ... I am just not interested in that. Nor are tens of millions--I'd guess well over 100 million other Americans.

    My "separate nations" is precisely a claim--which happens to be accurate--that under the minoritarian regime we simply no longer have anything that resembles a "nation". When I was a kid America had its own version American version of pretty standard 20th century Western Christian norms. People are broadly more relaxed about a whole bunch of stuff, but those traditional norms are still seen as basically reasonable and certainly behaving in line with them as preferrable, by about half the country. But the other half find those norms illegitimate and are committed to an entirely different project. Which includes imposing their new norms and new project upon traditional Americans.

    Ergo I suggest separation. The simple "we each go our own way" solution. Let communities choose their own norms and people can sort themselves out. (You can still live in Weedville dude and get the weed you need.) There is nothing "fascist" about that (the lamo epithet of out-of-mental-ammo prog.) Rather it is self-government. Federalism or even "hyper federalism". It is allowing people to live in communities with the norms which fits their needs and desires.

    Try "thought" and "reasoning" it's not hard.


    (FYI the single time the voters in California had a say on homosexual "marriage", they voted to ban it. Outside immigration I can't think of anything as "top down" and elite imposed as the homo marriage farce.)

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Corvinus, @Almost Missouri

  157. @Arclight
    The demand made by the woke, whether it be race or sex, is that rather than individuals alter their behavior it is society's responsibility to change for the benefit of relatively small numbers of people. Failure of society to do so is oppression, and the appropriate response is acting out in displeasure and renewed demands for society to be forced to change. Not only is this unfair to the vast majority of people, but it creates an itch that can never be scratched for the supposed victims - anything short of perfection means there is more 'work' to be done, and thus more angst and demands.

    Obviously this has disastrous effects for blacks in particular, but the assault on minors is just as grotesque. It teaches the opposite of resiliency, which is a critical skill in normal human relationships and work. And for the unfortunates who fall into the clutches of the 'gender affirming' ghouls, it seems self-evident to me that interfering with the normal physical development of an immature human through drugs will obviously produce lifelong consequences, aside from treating a scientific impossibility.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad, @Corvinus

    “The demand made by the woke, whether it be race or sex, is that rather than individuals alter their behavior it is society’s responsibility to change for the benefit of relatively small numbers of people”

    Looks like you need to adjust your line of thinking.

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/393197/same-sex-marriage-support-inches-new-high.aspx

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/468401/majority-say-gov-ensure-healthcare.aspx

  158. Anonymous[405] • Disclaimer says:

    Steve Sailer:

    “My new column in Taki’s Magazine is about how the single data point of the Trans School Shooter exemplifies a medium size trend, the F to M mania, which is the craziest illustration of a large trend: the rise in mental illness among young women.”

    The actual *successful* suicide rate among young men is 4.5 X higer than that of young women. But you don’t care about them because, as a classic consevative, you base the worth of Human Beings on their biological value, and the value of young men is too low for anyone to care. Or, as you put it in your Twitter account, showing insufferable levels of condescencion and contempt for the value of young males:

    “Young women are the most important people in the World.”

    Why? Because they can get pregnant. This unearned accident of biology makes young women super extra special. You see, sperm is too cheap for you to care about the pain and suffering of Human Beings if they happen to be male and young, even if their pain and suffering is such that they have a 450% higher mortality rate from suicide than the gender that you care more about. I guess the comedian, Chris Rock, said it best:

    “What is a man’s life worth? When there is a car accident and both a man and a dog get killed, most people feel sorry for the dog.”

    And Bomer white men trash like Steve Sailer not only don’t care about the horrrific struggles of modern young men, but on top of that dedicates themselves to making the life of young men even more miserable than it already is by hogging all the real estate to artifically inflate prices, running the country into the ground with debt that will have to be paid by the young men, get divorced multiple times so as to hog all the young women for themselves, since a 20 year-old has no chance of competing with a 60 year-old’s accumulated wealth and status.

    Thanks, Boomer men. What a *great* generation you are. You lived off your parents’ achievements and wealth and contributed nothing to the World. You inherited from your parents the richest Society in the World, and the World’s largest creditor nation, and you are leaving to your sons a compl;etely broken Society that went from having 40% of the World’s GDP to only 16%, and a National Debt that is actually larger than the entire GDP.

    You treated your sons like shit growing up, while you pampered your daughters and turrned them into a generation of hypergamous, rude, entitled princesses that treat men like shit and expect everything from them without giving anything in return. I mean, what else to expect? You taught them that men must be chivalrous to them, pay all their bills, and that it is the man that has to “earn” her, while she can be fat, rude, entitled and a prima dona and that is ok because she is a superior female.

    Who are you kidding, conservative men? You had every opportunity to oppose feminism. You didn’t do it out of *cowardice* .You allowed feminist teachers to tell your sons that every man is a rapist, a murderer and innately evil. You kneew that this was wrong, but you said nothing out of fear of retalation. You exercised your “manliness” by giving your sons the traditional education that is given to boys of daily beatings to “make them men”, while spoiling your princesses silly. It’s so much easier to beat up a 7 year-old to feel like a man than to go to the school boards and oppose anti-male education, as that is bad PR for you and could cost you friendships and even maybe your job. You prefered, out of cowardice, to turn a blind eye and instead live your fantasy of being a 1950’s style macho dad, and that the Society that you were living in the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s was exactly the one of the Eisenhower Administration.

    What really pisses me off is that “male privilge” is a lie. Historically, most men were treated like complete shit. They did the most dangerous jobs, they were *forced* to go to war whether they want to or not(imagine that, the governemnt saying that your body belongs to the State and not to yiou).

    Women have always had exemption from the most dangerous duties just of their superior biological value. They are privileged in courts, get lighter sentences for the same crimes as men. Little gilrs are protected by law from genital mutilation, while boys are not, etc. the privileges never end for females.

    You are born a man, you are going to live 10 years less, nobody will care about your feelings and needs(“stop whining!””Be a man!”). Nobody will help you if you are down, while females have an entire network of friends and family to help them, etc. As a boy growing up, all of Society, even your “loving” parents will be much harsher to you to “make you a man”. And “make you a man” for what? Oh, that’s right: to more effectively serve the needs of the superior female gender. As I see it, a Society that doesn’t care about me doesn’t deserve that I care about it.

    Also, Sailer’s article is just a sexist appeal for a return to the pre-1960’s era. In fact, Sailer’s entire article can be summarized as follows:

    “Women were much happier when Ike was President, and they were kept barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. A woman can only be happy if she is barefoot and pregnant with her 8th kid in the kitches while cooking her husband a meal.”

    It’s sad. It’s really, really sad. I don’t know which is worse, if the anti-male bigotry of liberals, or the chivalrous sexism of conservatives. Regardless, young men lose. No matter what, young men are just disposable cannon fodder for the Society. Even with the Military Draft ended, people still expect a young man to repair the high-voltage cables rather than a young woman. Or to work himself to deat at the asbestos mine. Her life is too precious!

    I really admire the Nordic countries of Europe because they are the only societies in all of Human hisotry that have actually made genuine attempts of equality between the sexes. Interestingly, all the legislation passed in those countries to protect and cherish men came from female Parliament members. So maybe the problem is not women. Myabe the problem is men devaluing other men to make themselves more attractive to women. If you are a 60 year-old Boomer, it makes sense to make the life of a 20 year-old male as miserable as possible and make him as poor and low-status as possible so that you can snag the 18 year-old girl that would be his girlfriend if he actually had a nice life. Men are their worse enemies.

    • Agree: Vinnyvette
    • Replies: @Prester John
    @Anonymous

    "Men are their worse enemies."

    The same can be said for pretty much all of humankind. A pity, that.

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Anonymous

    I can't tell if you're trolling or not, but if not: take it easy! I know what you mean but the boomers here are 99% innocent of your charges. In fact you may be addressing one of few forums of the boomers who resisted the boomer corruption.

    I gather your personal circumstances are poor and I wish you good fortune in improving them, but Steve and his boomer-posters are the last people to blame for it.

    , @Anon
    @Anonymous

    Pfft. who were the "macho boomers"? Most of them were a bunch of limp wristed fags.

    The Boomer suicide rate is way higher than the "young male" suicide rate.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    , @Anon
    @Anonymous

    I think a delusional FtM tranny wrote this post.

    Boomer men were cucked hard by boomer women. Pretty much the entirety of their existence consisted of getting whipped by boomer women and beat up by blacks. They never had a say in anything and commit suicide way more than yiung men do.

  159. @Anon
    The shooter went to that school I see. Brilliant job the Christcucks are doing in raising the next generation of Christian children!

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    Christ had his Judas.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Bill Jones

    Judas was a fictional character just like all the other people in the Jesus story.

    The point I'm trying to make is that Christians completely fail to make their ideology attractive to young white people and don't seem to know or care about said failure. A hundred years from now I don't think there will be any white Christians outside of the nursing homes. The Amish, maybe.

  160. @That Would Be Telling
    @Anon


    Then send the big-pharma people that push the drugs [to new "Gulags"].
     
    Show us on the doll where Big Pharma touched you.

    Because the relevant drugs are obvious and affect fundamental processes so they're old and out of patent, AKA they're generic. For example puberty blockers are essential mitigation for premature puberty which is obviously very bad news.

    Your other scorched earth prescriptions fail either the "how can this be used against me?" test absent a coup or make a symbolic point that wastes resources we desperately need to handle the rapidly aging initial Baby Boomer cohort.

    First we have a "belling the cat" problem which is only able to be addressed at the (Red) state level of making World War T toxic enough that enforcement of existing laws and creation and enforcement of new ones becomes standard and not subject to much debate.

    For the former, see Florida and the weak sauce of revoking venue liquor laws for drag shows for minors ... and that it's the most muscular attack made on them until maybe recently. For the latter see the difficultly of even getting "nothing irreversible until age 18" laws passed. While on the other side this is described as very literal genocide, and many are claiming was a cause of this Nashville attack, as in the law shouldn't have been made.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    “Show us on the doll where Big Pharma touched you.”

    Is it OK if the spot on the doll is, well, sort of an Israel-shaped spot on a map of the Eastern Med which is clearly labeled, um… “Israel”?

    Do intricate mazes of red arrows connecting back-and-forth banking arrows and zany financial zigs and zags count as “spots”? How about a bought-and-paid-for Congress? Is DC a “spot”?

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @The Germ Theory of Disease


    “Show us on the doll where Big Pharma touched you.”

    Is it OK if the spot on the doll is, well, sort of an Israel-shaped spot on a map of the Eastern Med which is clearly labeled, um… “Israel”?
     
    Can you name any "Big Pharma" companies in Israel? It's known for manufacturing genetics, see also in your theme the Jewish Canadian generic company head and his wife who were murdered in their home.

    Do intricate mazes of red arrows connecting back-and-forth banking arrows and zany financial zigs and zags count as “spots”? How about a bought-and-paid-for Congress? Is DC a “spot”?
     
    If this is the best you can do you've got nothing for I'm not sure even what your thesis is. Because for example STEM Jews can do good work.

    Replies: @Jack D

  161. @Jack D
    @Bill P

    Your daughter is very fortunate, not only to have you as a father but also to have these natural gifts. People with high IQs tend to have better outcomes. It's not a sure thing but it helps. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people who are not so gifted and it's harder for them. It's nice to think that everyone has some skill or talent that they can tap into if not brains, but unfortunately a lot of people never find their niche.

    My daughter had a similar HS experience. She never had to do the babysitting / cashier/ menial job thing because she was making serious $ doing tutoring instead. It's very empowering to know that even at a young age you have some valuable skill and are never going to have to struggle among the undifferentiated masses as long as you cultivate your talent. Again, this is a gift - not everyone can know this with confidence.

    However, if she attends some competitive college, the picture is going to change. EVERYONE at her college (even the AA students relatively speaking) was an academic star in HS or they wouldn't be there. Some of those people will be well beyond her - if you are in playing in the Big Leagues you are going to meet some future Hall of Famers. And the level of the material that is being taught is going to be a lot more challenging. This (combined with being away from home, the workload, etc.) can mess with your head. So keep watching out for her (I know that you will) and make sure she gets whatever help, counseling, etc. that she needs.

    Replies: @Goddard, @Bill P

    Having a good daughter is such a blessing it’s hard to explain. Of course I’d be there for any girl and accept her, but this one makes it so rewarding.

    I’ve already had the talk with her about how it will be out there in the wider world. I encourage her to go for it and head out east because although I know she’ll be humbled it will bring out the best in her. In a way circumstances have already humbled her, and that’s an advantage she’ll have over many intellectual peers.

    But you’re right about the continuing support. I can’t let up yet. Probably not for a few years.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Bill P

    Not until she meets a good man and then it will be his problem (mostly).

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Bill P

    "Having a good daughter is such a blessing it’s hard to explain. Of course I’d be there for any girl and accept her, but this one makes it so rewarding."

    Must be wonderful.... not everyone is so fortunate.

    "Now old Bill Jones had two daughters and a son,
    One went to Denver and the other went wrong,
    One got killed in a pool room fight,
    Still he goes singin' from morning til night"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsUT8jANqLc

  162. @Ebony Obelisk
    @Dragoslav

    He 50s were a hellhole for anyone not a white male christian

    Don’t you fools understand that your fake racist bigoted mysoginistic white breads World is what caused this mess?

    This tragedy wouldn’t have happened if bigots like you had not made the persons life a living hell

    We the People are getting tired of bigotry so expect more lashing out. It’s unfortunate but if you keep poking the bear dont be surprised when things like this happen

    Replies: @Dr. X, @AceDeuce, @Reg Cæsar, @BenjaminL, @TWS

    We the People are getting tired of bigotry(sic) so expect more lashing out. It’s unfortunate (sic) but if you keep poking the bear dont (sic) be surprised when things like this happen (sic)

    Most people would look at your ineptitude regarding simple punctuation, as shown above, and think that you’re an idiot solely based on that–and they’d be right. But your vile post eclipses your poor grammar.

    To extend your stupid analogy, dangerous bears that show up in a human community are usually dispatched in short order. Careful what you wish for.

    • Replies: @Ebony Obelisk
    @AceDeuce

    Is that a threat?

    Replies: @Rocko

  163. @Unintended Consequence
    @Thoughts

    You're obviously a troll. White male is an ambiguous term that encompasses several distinct ethnic groups. For instance, many of the "white" males married to Asians are Jewish. Others are extreme types like Mitch McConnell who may never have even had a date if it weren't for Elaine Chow. I'd think, of the non Jewish white population, more were pairing off with latinas than Asians. The population is still large enough that this mostly goes unnoticed, i.e. "whites" haven't run out of men. My observation is that the pairing off isn't at all random. The average white guy is still marrying the average white gal. Nerdier types are the ones marrying Asians for the most part. It's probably no coincidence that such males don't attract as many of their own females. It might be interesting to predict which personality traits are involved because a mass exodus from a gene pool will leave results. These guys are outliers though so may be their absence won't be so obvious. In other words, we don't want them back because we didn't value these males overmuch to begin with.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Anon, @Captain Tripps

    McConnell is divorced from his 1st wife and has three daughters. Two of them, like their mother, are vociferous leftists.

  164. @Jack D
    @Almost Missouri

    I think this would be a tough case to make. First of all, anyone receiving this surgery will have signed a bunch of consent forms. 2nd, the doctor will bring in a number of other doctors who are "expert witnesses" to testify that gender affirming care meets the standards of care. They will get the f'ing heads of Harvard Medical School, Johns Hopkins and the Mayo Clinic to all testify in the doctor's favor. Not to mention the Surgeon General her/himself.

    If there was $ to be made with such suits, trust me, there is SOMEONE who would have taken these cases. The guys who do medical malpractice work don't care who they sue as long as there is an insurance policy to go after. You could be doing life saving heart surgery on babies and they would sue you if they thought that they could get a verdict in their favor.

    If you really want to go after this, it's going to have to be legislative because the current medical profession consensus is that this sort of surgery is ethical and proper, regardless of whether you think that it is barbaric, and if you try to go after them the doctors will circle the wagons.

    Replies: @Ian Smith, @Pixo, @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad

    The suits could succeed in very conservative areas. And they are doing irreversible tranny drugs and mutilations in such places.

    Perdue Pharma thought they were getting away with selling their fentanyl lollipops until they weren’t.

  165. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    Also, while society rightly concerns itself with the care of minors, if you are talking about adults (this woman was 28) then generally speaking medical care decisions should be made between a patient and their doctor without the “help” of busybodies from the internet.
     
    "Generally speaking".

    My instincts are generally libertarian. I've got reasonable dose of the "get out of my face" instinct.

    But every community has the inherent right to determine the community norms that people must follow in that community. We have--and have had--all sorts of codified norms about all sorts of stuff that goes beyond fist/nose--drugs, alcohol, sex, adultery, homosexuality, abortion, business hours, noise after hours, building codes, etc. etc. ...

    Personally, I'd be happy to live in community with a bunch of our old "repressive" norms. This recent one of deciding smoking weed was some sort of civil right--definitely could do without that. AnotherMom and I will probably launch our evening stroll in an hour or so ... if we do our usually into town, pretty much guaranteed to be olfactorily assaulted by someone's stinkweed a few times.

    If I had to vote, I'd vote to ban any of this "gender affirming care", and not just for minors. The whole thing is retched pig pile of harmful nonsense catering to nut jobs with docs and surgeons and drug peddlers making money from it that ultimately--insurance premiums and taxes--comes from normies' pockets.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Art Deco

    What happened is that ordinances containing personal self-indulgence and sedition were annulled by the judicial ukase, ignored by prosecutors, or repealed. What replaced them was an ever more rococo set of regulations on people making a living and transacting business. IOW, less freedom for working adults with families, more freedom for post-adolescents with few responsibilities and more freedom for people who do not function well as adults (e.g. schizophrenics and miscellaneous vagrants).

    • Agree: AnotherDad, Brutusale
  166. @J.Ross
    @Forbes

    The one gun I've seen is that Kel-Tec folder (~$7-800). This was the one she actually used in the video. This is being called an AR or an assault rifle; it's not. Kel-Tecs are cheap, they were a Florida plastics company that got into firearms. About the cheapest decent quality concealable pistol you can get is the Kel-Tec diamondback.
    The Uvalde shooter had a downright impossible setup estimated by experts to have cost twelve thousand dollars: that's with no income, no dad, and a working class stepdad. This kid's family was rich, was evidently giving her money (they let her live there at 28 plus she was an art student, art students always need expensive supplies), and she wasn't spending all that much.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    The Uvalde shooter had a downright impossible setup estimated by experts to have cost twelve thousand dollars…

    Please explain this and tell us if his armament made the Uvalde cops hesitant to confront him. Thanks

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Jim Don Bob

    He had multiple top shelf highly accurate highly expensive rifles plus accessories like optics. High end firearms can easily add up to tens of thousands (a basic, uncustomized Sig deer hunting rifle is ~$4,000 before you attach an optic). You get what you pay for. Yes it absolutely had an effect, consider that he killed a huge number of kids in a very short time, and the Nashville shooter killed very few in about fifteen minutes.
    NPR, lying as always, called it a $3k AR-15. That's way off. There's a video with some senior NCOs actually going through what he had and discussing market rate, they got to over ten thousand. Kid had no money whatsoever and his stepdad had forbidden him from having guns.
    Re police, radio host and former SWAT cop Brandon Tatum scored an early coup in his year-old career when he was the only guy defending the Uvalde police response. Look into him if you want more details, he has actually spoken to several of the officers and done a very thorough going over. The most relevant thing here though is, the killing in Uvalde was largely over when the police arrived. Also the Uvalde shooter attacked police and it doesn't look like the Nashville shooter did.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  167. @Jim Don Bob
    @Kylie

    https://ace.mu.nu/archives/killthetransphobes.jpg

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Here is the lovely compassionate Josselyn with the Guv.

  168. @Jack D
    @Forbes

    It's true you can't get a gun for $25 anymore, but there are guns that are available for a few hundred $. She acquired these guns over a period of years. She was apparently only intermittently employed but she lived with her parents and probably got to keep whatever money she earned so it's not unimaginable that she was able to scrape together a few hundred $ per year to add to her gun collection.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    lol. Is that how you get your feds armed up over the years, like Ray Epps, you traitor?

  169. @Bill Jones
    The tranny is so yesterday, Steve.

    The Texting World has moved on to the New Reality.

    Cat Women are Putin Agents. Storage of cat videos is stopping the flow of ammunition to our brave zio-nazis in The Ukraine.

    One of Europe’s largest ammunition manufacturers has said efforts to meet surging demand from the war in Ukraine have been stymied by a new TikTok data center that is monopolizing electricity in the region close to its biggest factory
     
    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/european-ammo-makers-growth-stymied-tiktok-data-center-sucking-electricity

    Replies: @tyrone, @Prester John, @Reg Cæsar

    Cat Women are Putin Agents.

    Including Pussy Rioters? Talk about 4D шахматах!

  170. @Anonymous
    Steve Sailer:

    "My new column in Taki’s Magazine is about how the single data point of the Trans School Shooter exemplifies a medium size trend, the F to M mania, which is the craziest illustration of a large trend: the rise in mental illness among young women."

    The actual *successful* suicide rate among young men is 4.5 X higer than that of young women. But you don't care about them because, as a classic consevative, you base the worth of Human Beings on their biological value, and the value of young men is too low for anyone to care. Or, as you put it in your Twitter account, showing insufferable levels of condescencion and contempt for the value of young males:

    "Young women are the most important people in the World."

    Why? Because they can get pregnant. This unearned accident of biology makes young women super extra special. You see, sperm is too cheap for you to care about the pain and suffering of Human Beings if they happen to be male and young, even if their pain and suffering is such that they have a 450% higher mortality rate from suicide than the gender that you care more about. I guess the comedian, Chris Rock, said it best:

    "What is a man's life worth? When there is a car accident and both a man and a dog get killed, most people feel sorry for the dog."

    And Bomer white men trash like Steve Sailer not only don't care about the horrrific struggles of modern young men, but on top of that dedicates themselves to making the life of young men even more miserable than it already is by hogging all the real estate to artifically inflate prices, running the country into the ground with debt that will have to be paid by the young men, get divorced multiple times so as to hog all the young women for themselves, since a 20 year-old has no chance of competing with a 60 year-old's accumulated wealth and status.

    Thanks, Boomer men. What a *great* generation you are. You lived off your parents' achievements and wealth and contributed nothing to the World. You inherited from your parents the richest Society in the World, and the World's largest creditor nation, and you are leaving to your sons a compl;etely broken Society that went from having 40% of the World's GDP to only 16%, and a National Debt that is actually larger than the entire GDP.

    You treated your sons like shit growing up, while you pampered your daughters and turrned them into a generation of hypergamous, rude, entitled princesses that treat men like shit and expect everything from them without giving anything in return. I mean, what else to expect? You taught them that men must be chivalrous to them, pay all their bills, and that it is the man that has to "earn" her, while she can be fat, rude, entitled and a prima dona and that is ok because she is a superior female.

    Who are you kidding, conservative men? You had every opportunity to oppose feminism. You didn't do it out of *cowardice* .You allowed feminist teachers to tell your sons that every man is a rapist, a murderer and innately evil. You kneew that this was wrong, but you said nothing out of fear of retalation. You exercised your "manliness" by giving your sons the traditional education that is given to boys of daily beatings to "make them men", while spoiling your princesses silly. It's so much easier to beat up a 7 year-old to feel like a man than to go to the school boards and oppose anti-male education, as that is bad PR for you and could cost you friendships and even maybe your job. You prefered, out of cowardice, to turn a blind eye and instead live your fantasy of being a 1950's style macho dad, and that the Society that you were living in the 70's, 80's and 90's was exactly the one of the Eisenhower Administration.

    What really pisses me off is that "male privilge" is a lie. Historically, most men were treated like complete shit. They did the most dangerous jobs, they were *forced* to go to war whether they want to or not(imagine that, the governemnt saying that your body belongs to the State and not to yiou).

    Women have always had exemption from the most dangerous duties just of their superior biological value. They are privileged in courts, get lighter sentences for the same crimes as men. Little gilrs are protected by law from genital mutilation, while boys are not, etc. the privileges never end for females.

    You are born a man, you are going to live 10 years less, nobody will care about your feelings and needs("stop whining!""Be a man!"). Nobody will help you if you are down, while females have an entire network of friends and family to help them, etc. As a boy growing up, all of Society, even your "loving" parents will be much harsher to you to "make you a man". And "make you a man" for what? Oh, that's right: to more effectively serve the needs of the superior female gender. As I see it, a Society that doesn't care about me doesn't deserve that I care about it.

    Also, Sailer's article is just a sexist appeal for a return to the pre-1960's era. In fact, Sailer's entire article can be summarized as follows:

    "Women were much happier when Ike was President, and they were kept barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. A woman can only be happy if she is barefoot and pregnant with her 8th kid in the kitches while cooking her husband a meal."

    It's sad. It's really, really sad. I don't know which is worse, if the anti-male bigotry of liberals, or the chivalrous sexism of conservatives. Regardless, young men lose. No matter what, young men are just disposable cannon fodder for the Society. Even with the Military Draft ended, people still expect a young man to repair the high-voltage cables rather than a young woman. Or to work himself to deat at the asbestos mine. Her life is too precious!

    I really admire the Nordic countries of Europe because they are the only societies in all of Human hisotry that have actually made genuine attempts of equality between the sexes. Interestingly, all the legislation passed in those countries to protect and cherish men came from female Parliament members. So maybe the problem is not women. Myabe the problem is men devaluing other men to make themselves more attractive to women. If you are a 60 year-old Boomer, it makes sense to make the life of a 20 year-old male as miserable as possible and make him as poor and low-status as possible so that you can snag the 18 year-old girl that would be his girlfriend if he actually had a nice life. Men are their worse enemies.

    Replies: @Prester John, @Almost Missouri, @Anon, @Anon

    “Men are their worse enemies.”

    The same can be said for pretty much all of humankind. A pity, that.

  171. @Almost Missouri
    @Arclight


    And for the unfortunates who fall into the clutches of the ‘gender affirming’ ghouls, it seems self-evident to me that interfering with the normal physical development of an immature human through drugs will obviously produce lifelong consequences, aside from treating a scientific impossibility.
     
    Sadly, the "gender affirmers" (i.e. sexual mutilators) won't stop until they are duly prosecuted. This can't happen until things are called by their true names.

    "child gender affirmation" =true name=> sexual assault of a minor

    "gender affirmation surgery" =true name=> aggravated sexual assault

    "gender care clinic" =true name=> conspiracy to commit sexual assault

    "trans rights" =true name=> child grooming

    "drag queen story hour" =true name=> pedo groomer conspiracy

    As far as I know, every US state and every civilized nation has some form of statute against "corruption of a minor" or "gross sexual imposition" or similar on its books right now. There is nothing stopping any prosecutor from wielding those laws right now except media hypnosis.

    Similarly, every such jurisdiction with civil law recognizes some form of private cause of action against "sexual assault" or similar. In the US it's probably somehow a Civil Rights issue too. There is nothing stopping parents of targeted children or young adults who were targeted as children from using those laws right now. They just have to understand what happened in their true terms, not in the media's deceptive terms.

    The tools are there. The causes are there. All that is missing is the understanding and then the will.

    Plenty of promising products have become unmarketable after losing a single court case. Sexual mutilation in the name of liberation is a product with little or no promise and plenty of abuse. If any of the tort attorneys were actually serious about their claims to be "protecting the public", they would be swarming onto this mass atrocity like flies onto sh*t. But they're not, because they're really just greedy, conformist phonies. Still, one or a handful of actual crusading lawyers—if such exist—could make "gender reassignment surgery" unpracticable in their jurisdiction.

    Until they feel the lash of of legal consequence, the sexual mutilators will continue cutting their bloody swathes through the nation's youth.

    Replies: @Arclight, @Jack D, @Mike Tre

    Circumcision: male genital mutilation.

  172. @Ebony Obelisk
    @Dragoslav

    He 50s were a hellhole for anyone not a white male christian

    Don’t you fools understand that your fake racist bigoted mysoginistic white breads World is what caused this mess?

    This tragedy wouldn’t have happened if bigots like you had not made the persons life a living hell

    We the People are getting tired of bigotry so expect more lashing out. It’s unfortunate but if you keep poking the bear dont be surprised when things like this happen

    Replies: @Dr. X, @AceDeuce, @Reg Cæsar, @BenjaminL, @TWS

    He 50s were a hellhole for anyone not a white male christian

    It got a little better by 1960:

    And way better by 1967:

    • Replies: @njguy73
    @Reg Cæsar

    Here's a hypothetical question:

    You die and arrive at The Pearly Gates. The archangel Gabriel steps out. He says "You've lived a good life, but you can't come in yet. You still have one more cycle of karma to work out. Live it and you can enter Heaven."

    "You will be sent back to Earth as a 13-year-old Black male, and you must live for 20 years as him, dying at 33. But you get to pick the time and place to live those 20 years."

    What do you choose, and would there be a better choice than Detroit from 1944 to 1964?

  173. @Almost Missouri
    @Mike Tre

    Hearty •Agree.


    These people are degenerate and nihilistic, but they aren’t crazy in a clinical sense.
     
    Not only nihilistic, but narcissistic.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Mike Tre

    Believe it or not, I had typed out “narcissistic” first before exchanging it for nihilistic. Both equally apply.

  174. @Almost Missouri
    @Mr. Anon


    What if in the near future – it could happen – there arises a fad for people to identify as one-armed people and they start asking doctors to amputate healthy limbs? Should doctors do it?
     
    Already here, mate.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_integrity_dysphoria

    Wiki says the "ethics of surgically amputating the undesired limb of a person with BID are difficult and controversial." Haha, yeah, no sh*t, Wiki. Especially now that BID is an exact analog of Gender Dysphoria Syndrome.

    I was glancingly acquainted with an older woman with this problem. She shopped around her claim to need amputation and finally found someone to do it. Her consort/common-law husband fought desperately to prevent it, but ultimately he didn't didn't get a vote, while the ill-but-not-in-the-way-she-claimed woman and some Oath-defying surgeon did.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @gail

    That condition of feeling a part of one’s body (usually a limb), is alien or invasive, not part of his body is called apotemnophilia.

    I read a few articles years ago about this, and I recall one doctor saying that in all other respects, his patient seemed to be a well-adjusted individual. It would be interesting to know with a much larger sample size if sufferers are indeed well-adjusted.

    After all, it only takes a few thousand cells in the brain to cause some very odd behaviors.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @gail


    That condition of feeling a part of one’s body (usually a limb), is alien or invasive, not part of his body is called apotemnophilia.
     
    Thanks. I knew I had heard of it before under a different name, but "Body Integrity Dysphoria" was what I found with a web search.

    I recall one doctor saying that in all other respects, his patient seemed to be a well-adjusted individual.
     
    Other than being a rather poor housekeeper and somewhat crotchety, I think the lady I was describing was mostly normal too. She was, however, a concentration camp survivor, so I'm sure there was plenty of past trauma on which anyone could blame current peculiarities. I don't recall anyone making that particular argument though, perhaps because the mental mechanics of it would have been obscure.

    Anyhow, the arresting thing about it then and now is, how does a professional healer deal with someone who earnestly wants your help in harming herself? Unfortunately, back then cases like hers were rare enough that there apparently wasn't a professional ethical standard for what to do about them.* Or maybe it is not so unfortunate, since now that there are enough people who want their bodies mutilated, the professional ethical standard is gelling around "let 'er rip!".

    If a narcotic addict comes to a doctor and insists she really, really need narcotics, should the doctor provide them? It seems like a "no" to me, but obviously a lot of doctors do it.

    There is usually one side of these ethical quandaries on which the doctor is getting paid, so it seems to me a minimum first step would be that the ethics decision is made by someone without any material stake in the outcome.

    ---------

    *As a non-doctor, I would have thought that yer basic Hippocratic Oath ("First Do No Harm") would have covered it, but apparently doctors are disappointingly subject to a Mephistophelean "Evil be thou my good" workaround.
  175. I know the world has passed me by, but life was easier when we just went by who had a cock when separating men and women and spun a dial when we wanted to call somebody.

    • Agree: Mr. Anon
  176. @Ebony Obelisk
    @Dragoslav

    He 50s were a hellhole for anyone not a white male christian

    Don’t you fools understand that your fake racist bigoted mysoginistic white breads World is what caused this mess?

    This tragedy wouldn’t have happened if bigots like you had not made the persons life a living hell

    We the People are getting tired of bigotry so expect more lashing out. It’s unfortunate but if you keep poking the bear dont be surprised when things like this happen

    Replies: @Dr. X, @AceDeuce, @Reg Cæsar, @BenjaminL, @TWS

    Tiny Duck, is that you?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @BenjaminL


    Tiny Duck, is that you?
     
    Where have you been the last 1.5 years? Most of us quickly ascertained that Ebonyonics was just Quacking Like a Duck.

    Replies: @BenjaminL

  177. @John Henry
    Steve: Your reference to Cognitive Behavioral Therapy.

    Please, I am being observant, not flippant.

    CBT's description reminds me of something from a Peter Sellers' Pink Panther movie.

    In the one I remember, his police supervisor is going crazy. The supervisor keeps repeating the mantra "I am getting better every day in every way." Or words to that effect. As he goes insane dealing with Inspector Clouseau.

    This sounds much like the same psychological approach.

    Is it? Honest question. John

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    Cognitive Therapy (not familiar with the “Behavioral” later added to it) is based on three things:

    1. If you think bad thoughts about yourself, you’ll make yourself feel bad (relevantly, to the point of clinical depression).

    2. Most bad thoughts people think about themselves are cognitive distortions (not seeing yourself and the world including other people and their reactions to you correctly).

    3. You can train yourself to see the world more accurately, and make yourself feel less bad (lots of people exit clinical depression without medication, or both work together).

    Inspector Clouseau’s superior Charles Dreyfus played by Herbert Lom … it’s been too many decades since I saw the 1965 A Shot in the Dark where he’s introduced and the 1975 The Return of the Pink Panther which continues the gag, but as I recall with the help of Wikipedia, for comedy’s sake he’s taking Clouseau’s whole package of incompetence and results, too many of the latter scandalously bad, so poorly that he suffers a breakdown that evolves into “madness” or “insanity” as you put it.

    How Dreyfus takes all this you could say I think involves cognitive distortions, except he is having to clean up Clouseau’s messes, can’t get Clouseau off the cases, etc., and simply saying to yourself as you recall that things will get better is not C(B)T. For Blake Edwards was a writer, director, producer etc., not a clinical psychologist, psychiatrist, or someone who read any edition of Burn’s Feeling Better and based his writing on that instead of crazy comedy.

  178. “The authorities said on Tuesday that the 28-year-old perpetrator had legally purchased seven firearms recently — including the three used in the shooting — and was being treated by a doctor for an emotional disorder.”

    Well, she’s been cured—but at the cost of six innocent lives.

  179. @quewin
    @Almost Missouri

    Is that real?

    Seriously, it looks like something Whichever Podesta would have displayed in his house.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Brutusale

    It was at a demonstration about violence against women in Buenos Aires, Argentina, in 2017. You can tell it didn’t occur in the USA because few of the women are overweight. Some women like having an excuse to take off their clothes, for example the actresses that pose for PETA ads or the throngs who strip for Spencer Tunick’s photographs. A guy I know observed, “All women are exhibitionists and all men are voyeurs.” Almost true.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Harry Baldwin


    “All women are exhibitionists and all men are voyeurs.”
     


    https://i.ibb.co/G2H9f1b/9-A4-B226-C-F8-F9-4-A04-8-B65-3-EEEA36204-DB.jpg

    https://i.servimg.com/u/f33/18/88/87/60/naked_10.jpg

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  180. @Dr. Rock
    Well, if nobody else will do it, I'm going to break the fourth wall on this one-

    Ugly Women.

    For many, many years, whether we like it or not, women are largely graded on their looks- face, eyes, hair, sex appeal, feminine wiles, the booty, the legs, the chest... just statin' the facts here.

    So, part of what social media has really highlighted, and this is astoundingly obvious, is that there are A LOT of really attractive women, in this country, and around the world. But, sadly, there is also a huge number of Plain Janes, and today, a metric shit ton (literally) of fat fuggos!

    Now, much of this has always been the case, but in the former paradigm, even the Plain Janes could marry the average boy next door, and they could have a rich, fulfilling, family life.

    Were there still some that never found a partner? Yes, but if you go back even further, arranged marriages, and that was remedied as well.

    But today, the ugly broads have almost no shot, They can't sell their ass on Instagram, or TikTok, or least of all, OnlyFans. They are fuggos, and theo world has no need for them. They become the unmarried, liberal activist, colored hair cat women, that use society as their pet project, and their misery translates into a life-long aggrieved malcontent.

    They used to just become dykes.

    Now, suddenly, they have another option- transgenderism!

    So, they get that panache, and cache', and it gives the world a way to look past them being an ugly girl; Now they can be an effeminate "boy". What a godsend!

    Of course, this only makes them more miserable, but it takes them a while to figure that out.

    In a way, it's the mirror reflection of the sexless male incels, that no girl or woman has ever had any use for, so they grow-up to be twenty-somethings, virgins, and pissed at the world because they will never bag a chick (when they should just turn to prostitutes or something, maybe imported LBFM's, I dunno).

    The solution, to all of this, is a return to traditionalism, a return to smaller communities, less internet connectedness, and zero social media, teaching every 5 that she will never even be a 6, and instead, in 10 years will be a 2.

    It's hurting males and females to know that there are so many 8, 9, and 10's out there in the world, of both sexes, and that they are NOT one of them, and never will be. Also, they will most likely never even hook-up with one, not even for a single night.

    This school shooter chick fits the profile perfectly. She was never going to be an attractive girl, so she decide to be a fake boy, juice up on big pharma psycho meds, and then, eventually go crazy because she found out that even as a fake boy, the world still has zero use for her, and that LGBTQ+ activism, doesn't keep you warm at night either.

    As I've been saying for many years, a large degree of our societal problems, when totally reduced, come down to the ugly people, and their discontent.

    We've merely intensified their discontent.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Captain Tripps

    a large degree of our societal problems, when totally reduced, come down to the ugly people, and their discontent

    Agree. This is true of groups (race, ethnicity) and individuals.

  181. I recently rewatched The Matrix, which the Wachowskis have acknowledged is a trans allegory. When Morpheus tells Neo, “You’re here because you know something. What you know you can’t explain, but you feel it. You’ve felt it your entire life, that there’s something wrong with the world. You don’t know what it is, but it’s there, like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad,” he’s referring to gender dypshoria.

    Morpheus says, “That system [the Matrix] is our enemy. But when you’re inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy.”

    Morpheus and his crew slaughter dozens of police officers who are living normal, law-abiding lives in the Matrix, where they may have loving relationships with wives, families, and friends. Their lives are just as real to them as the lives of those outside the Matrix but their deaths are treated as inconsequential.

    In 2016, Lilly Wachowski said she loves how “meaningful” the films are to transgender people, “The way that they come up to me and say: these movies saved my life.” At the same time, I wonder wonder if this film has cost the lives of others. Not that I didn’t enjoy it myself, I just wonder what effect it might have on disturbed minds.

  182. @Goddard
    @Mr. Anon


    What if in the near future – it could happen – there arises a fad for people to identify as one-armed people and they start asking doctors to amputate healthy limbs? Should doctors do it? Is that okay?
     
    There has arisen a fad even more insidious than chopping off one's cock or arm:

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/belgian-woman-her-20s-euthanized-after-suffering-mental-trauma-brussels-airport-bombing

    Replies: @njguy73

    So in their eyes, if the terrorists couldn’t kill them, then we have to.

    If there’s a Hell, Bin Laden is in it, and he’s laughing his ass off.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @njguy73


    So in their eyes, if the terrorists couldn’t kill them, then we have to.

    If there’s a Hell, Bin Laden is in it, and he’s laughing his ass off.
     
    If we don't kill ourselves, the terrorists win!
  183. @Reg Cæsar
    @Ebony Obelisk


    He 50s were a hellhole for anyone not a white male christian
     
    It got a little better by 1960:


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1HoVF6iv7OE


    And way better by 1967:


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A3yCcXgbKrE&list=RDEMlYgHBuj4YPQucEM7PKHh5A&start_radio=1

    Replies: @njguy73

    Here’s a hypothetical question:

    You die and arrive at The Pearly Gates. The archangel Gabriel steps out. He says “You’ve lived a good life, but you can’t come in yet. You still have one more cycle of karma to work out. Live it and you can enter Heaven.”

    “You will be sent back to Earth as a 13-year-old Black male, and you must live for 20 years as him, dying at 33. But you get to pick the time and place to live those 20 years.”

    What do you choose, and would there be a better choice than Detroit from 1944 to 1964?

  184. Anon[283] • Disclaimer says:
    @Unintended Consequence
    @Thoughts

    You're obviously a troll. White male is an ambiguous term that encompasses several distinct ethnic groups. For instance, many of the "white" males married to Asians are Jewish. Others are extreme types like Mitch McConnell who may never have even had a date if it weren't for Elaine Chow. I'd think, of the non Jewish white population, more were pairing off with latinas than Asians. The population is still large enough that this mostly goes unnoticed, i.e. "whites" haven't run out of men. My observation is that the pairing off isn't at all random. The average white guy is still marrying the average white gal. Nerdier types are the ones marrying Asians for the most part. It's probably no coincidence that such males don't attract as many of their own females. It might be interesting to predict which personality traits are involved because a mass exodus from a gene pool will leave results. These guys are outliers though so may be their absence won't be so obvious. In other words, we don't want them back because we didn't value these males overmuch to begin with.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Anon, @Captain Tripps

    This post is cope from a white woman. Asian women are the most attractive and desired females, they get the best males. It is mostly successful white gentile men marrying them; not nerds or Jews who “couldn’t get a white woman” (hint: white women aren’t in high demand and just about anybody can get one).

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Anon

    Dude, get a commenting handle already.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/where-are-the-white-women-at/#comment-5649313

    Replies: @Anon

  185. @MEH 0910
    https://web.archive.org/web/20230329133714/https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/nashville-shooting-bodycam-footage-audrey-hale-b2309869.html

    Nashville school shooting suspect Audrey Hale had previously posted on Facebook about the death of a romantic partner, according to a former teacher.

    Art college instructor Maria Colomy, who taught Hale at the Nossi College of Art & Design in Nashville, recalled a social media post from the shooter “openly grieving” the unknown individual and said that Hale had announced the bereavement and asked to be addressed as Aiden and by masculine pronouns from then on.
     

    Replies: @David Davenport

    Nashville school shooting suspect… posted on Facebook about the death of a romantic partner …

    … recalled a social media post from the shooter “openly grieving” the unknown individual and said that Hale had announced the bereavement and asked to be addressed as Aiden and by masculine pronouns from then on.

    My suspicion: the romantic partner was another woman, who hooked up with a man and dropped Hale.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @David Davenport

    It appears to have been a woman who died in a car crash, a Sydney Sims. IIRC, the article originally heavily hinted in that direction, but then was edited later.

    Maybe out of respect to the Sims family, who might not have known (and might be quite conservative about that sort of thing, since they're likely Black Baptists or something).

    Or perhaps there was just no way to verify it was actually a romantic relationship and not just Hale having unrequited feelings for a close friend.

  186. @Reg Caeser #94

    “Mädchen is neuter because the suffix –chen, cognate with English -kin, is always neuter. Likewise, -lein is always feminine.”

    Likewise -lein is also always *neuter*. The plural of das Mädchen is die Mädchen.

  187. @Corvinus
    @AnotherDad

    “But every community has the inherent right to determine the community norms that people must follow in that community. We have–and have had–all sorts of codified norms about all sorts of stuff that goes beyond fist/nose–drugs, alcohol, sex, adultery, homosexuality, abortion, business hours, noise after hours, building codes, etc. etc. …”

    Right, and if we employ your logic, given you just stated you have libertarian leanings, if a community, say Colorado legalizing weed or California legalizing gay marriage, then that’s their liberty.

    But the reality is you don’t have libertarian blood in you. More like fascist.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    Corny, once again I’m going to try–yes, I know it’s hopeless–to improve your reasoning power.

    I’m the “separate nations” guy. I have no problem with other people living in “Weedville” or “Queerville” … I am just not interested in that. Nor are tens of millions–I’d guess well over 100 million other Americans.

    My “separate nations” is precisely a claim–which happens to be accurate–that under the minoritarian regime we simply no longer have anything that resembles a “nation”. When I was a kid America had its own version American version of pretty standard 20th century Western Christian norms. People are broadly more relaxed about a whole bunch of stuff, but those traditional norms are still seen as basically reasonable and certainly behaving in line with them as preferrable, by about half the country. But the other half find those norms illegitimate and are committed to an entirely different project. Which includes imposing their new norms and new project upon traditional Americans.

    Ergo I suggest separation. The simple “we each go our own way” solution. Let communities choose their own norms and people can sort themselves out. (You can still live in Weedville dude and get the weed you need.) There is nothing “fascist” about that (the lamo epithet of out-of-mental-ammo prog.) Rather it is self-government. Federalism or even “hyper federalism”. It is allowing people to live in communities with the norms which fits their needs and desires.

    Try “thought” and “reasoning” it’s not hard.

    (FYI the single time the voters in California had a say on homosexual “marriage”, they voted to ban it. Outside immigration I can’t think of anything as “top down” and elite imposed as the homo marriage farce.)

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @AnotherDad


    FYI the single time the voters in California had a say on homosexual “marriage”, they voted to ban it.
     
    Not much later, though, they decided to keep the fool who once imposed it on his city. Mixed message, to say the least.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    , @Corvinus
    @AnotherDad

    Yes, your separate nations claim is your preference. But it’s not going to happen. It’s not this simple solution. Too many people are of the mindset that we do have a nation and are willing to fight for it.

    Remember, that “traditional America” put down minorities, women, and ethnic whites in their “proper place” from a legal and social standpoint. We’re not going back to that time. Indeed, thought and reasoning is pretty challenging for you.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    , @Almost Missouri
    @AnotherDad


    There is nothing “fascist” about that (the lamo epithet of out-of-mental-ammo prog.)
     
    LOL



    https://www.barnhardt.biz/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/img_8847.jpg
  188. @Jack D
    @MEH 0910

    From those lobbying against the release of the manifesto, you can infer that it would not be helpful to the LGBTQ cause.

    Nevertheless, it may still not be a good idea to release it because it can lead to copycat crimes. The sick individual WANTED this manifesto released and perpetrated this crime in part to attract attention to it. Future perps should know that this is not an effective strategy and that no matter how many people they kill, their stupid manifesto will never see the light of day.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Elsewhere, @res, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @David In TN, @fredyetagain aka superhonky, @Brutusale, @Reg Cæsar, @Dumbo

    From those lobbying against the release of the manifesto, you can infer that it would not be helpful to the LGBTQ cause.

    Nevertheless, it may still not be a good idea to release it because it can lead to copycat crimes.

    What medium is it in, that it even can be suppressed? Certainly not WordPress.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Reg Cæsar


    What medium is it in, that it even can be suppressed?
     
    Mark Warner's got a plan for that.


    The RESTRICT Act, introduced by Sens. Mark Warner (D-VA) and Tom Thune (R-SD), is aimed at blocking or disrupting transactions and financial holdings linked to foreign adversaries that pose a risk to national security, however the language of the bill could be used to give the US government enormous power to punish free speech.
     
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/restrict-act-orwellian-censorship-grab-disguised-anti-tiktok-legislation

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  189. Is tranny-ism really an up-from-the-grass-roots phenomenon?

    On the Internet right now, some output of the Microsoft Corporation:

    “News about How Young People Are Shaking Off Gender Binaries
    bing.com/news

    MSN.com · 6h
    How young people are shaking off gender binaries

    Many Gen Zers are breaking out of the idea that gender means only ‘man’ or ‘woman’.

    See more news
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    How young people are shaking off gender binaries – BBC Worklife
    https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20230327-how…
    WebGender is typically assigned at birth as either male or female, corresponding with a new-born’s sex organs. But younger generations are increasingly rejecting that rigid binary, in …

    How young people are shaking off gender binaries | Flipboard
    https://flipboard.com/topic/millennials/how-young…
    WebHow young people are shaking off gender binaries Many Gen Zers are increasingly breaking out of the idea that gender means only ‘man’ or ‘woman’ – and these attitudes …

    Julia Dodd, JD, MBA, RPh on LinkedIn: How young people are …
    https://gp.linkedin.com/posts/juliadodd_how-young-people-are-shaking-off-gender…
    WebHow young people are shaking off gender binaries bbc.com Like Comment Share Copy; LinkedIn; Facebook; Twitter; To view or add a comment, …

    Teens describe their gender and sexuality in diverse new ways, …
    https://phys.org/news/2021-03-teens-gender-sexuality-diverse-ways.html
    WebA growing number of young people are identifying as part of the LGBTQ+ community, and many are challenging binaries in gender and sexual identity to reflect a broader …

    Julia Dodd, JD, MBA, RPh on LinkedIn: How young people are …
    https://mq.linkedin.com/posts/juliadodd_how-young-people-are-shaking-off-gender…
    WebJulia Dodd, JD, MBA, RPh’s Post Julia Dodd, JD, MBA, RPh Attorney. Marketer. Lobbyist. Advocate. 1h

    ‘Gender fluidity’: The ever-shifting shape of identity
    https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20220914…
    WebIn a 2018 study of more than 80,000 9th and 11th graders in Minnesota, US, 3% said they saw themselves as “ transgender, genderqueer, gender fluid, or unsure of their gender …

    Jo Gubret on Twitter: “Klein is BBC spokesperson for the alphabet …
    https://twitter.com/JoGy769/status/1640994926912761859
    WebConfused article: “Gender is typically assigned at birth as either male or female, corresponding with a new-born’s sex organs. But younger generations are increasingly …

    Robert Cunningham sur LinkedIn : How young people are …
    https://lu.linkedin.com/posts/robert-cunningham-bb…
    WebHow young people are shaking off gender binaries. How young people are shaking off gender binaries. Passer au contenu principal LinkedIn. Découvrir Personnes LinkedIn …

    A Guide to Understanding Gender Identity and Pronouns : NPR
    https://www.npr.org/2021/06/02/996319297
    WebUnlike gender expression, gender identity is not outwardly visible to others. For most people, gender identity aligns with the sex assigned at birth, the American …

    Proud to be a second-class Australian | How young people are …
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/secondclasscitizen/posts/10159239370636003
    WebHow young people are shaking off gender binaries:

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @David Davenport

    Thanks. I enjoy these little posts exposing through brutal juxtaposition how a supposedly "grassroots" phenomenon is actually psyop-ed from the top down through the regime media.

  190. @BenjaminL
    @Ebony Obelisk

    Tiny Duck, is that you?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Tiny Duck, is that you?

    Where have you been the last 1.5 years? Most of us quickly ascertained that Ebonyonics was just Quacking Like a Duck.

    • Replies: @BenjaminL
    @Reg Cæsar

    I'll confess that I only am able to read a tiny fraction of the enormous number of comments on here, and these folks somehow didn't make it into my "Followed Commenters" list, so I must have missed that discussion - thank you for the update.

  191. @AnotherDad
    @Corvinus

    Corny, once again I'm going to try--yes, I know it's hopeless--to improve your reasoning power.

    I'm the "separate nations" guy. I have no problem with other people living in "Weedville" or "Queerville" ... I am just not interested in that. Nor are tens of millions--I'd guess well over 100 million other Americans.

    My "separate nations" is precisely a claim--which happens to be accurate--that under the minoritarian regime we simply no longer have anything that resembles a "nation". When I was a kid America had its own version American version of pretty standard 20th century Western Christian norms. People are broadly more relaxed about a whole bunch of stuff, but those traditional norms are still seen as basically reasonable and certainly behaving in line with them as preferrable, by about half the country. But the other half find those norms illegitimate and are committed to an entirely different project. Which includes imposing their new norms and new project upon traditional Americans.

    Ergo I suggest separation. The simple "we each go our own way" solution. Let communities choose their own norms and people can sort themselves out. (You can still live in Weedville dude and get the weed you need.) There is nothing "fascist" about that (the lamo epithet of out-of-mental-ammo prog.) Rather it is self-government. Federalism or even "hyper federalism". It is allowing people to live in communities with the norms which fits their needs and desires.

    Try "thought" and "reasoning" it's not hard.


    (FYI the single time the voters in California had a say on homosexual "marriage", they voted to ban it. Outside immigration I can't think of anything as "top down" and elite imposed as the homo marriage farce.)

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Corvinus, @Almost Missouri

    FYI the single time the voters in California had a say on homosexual “marriage”, they voted to ban it.

    Not much later, though, they decided to keep the fool who once imposed it on his city. Mixed message, to say the least.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Reg Cæsar


    Not much later, though, they decided to keep the fool who once imposed it on his city. Mixed message, to say the least.
     
    California has undergone dramatic politico-demographic change over the last 40 years. It isn't the same electorate from any given five year window to the next. There has been a steady outflow (and die-off) of conservative voters.
  192. @Rooster16
    @Bill P

    The problem I see around here is not that most dads aren’t engaged, but rather they’re what I call “Star Wars Cucks”. The men are led around by their liberal wives/girlfriends, most are rabid leftists and at best center-left, many tend to have beards which I suspect is a way for them to subconsciously feel somewhat masculine (see, I’m a man, I have a beard!) They consider anyone who is right-leaning a redneck, and for some reason they have an abundance of Star Wars shirts; I think it’s kind of like a new-age religion to them.

    With fathers like this, it’s basically like having two mothers in the house. It may even be worse, because the perception of this man as being masculine gives a warped view of masculinity and reinforces the mixed messages they’re getting from the outside world.

    I think we’ll ultimately get to a point where men need to be men again, but it won’t come from a social revolution. It will be out of necessity as the world we live in becomes more black/brown. When you’re forced to live amongst a violent culture, you can no longer survive being weak. Latrelle doesn’t care that you identify as a feminist and vote for his best interests, he’s going to take what he can from you and you need to be able to defend yourself.

    Replies: @Corn

    Well said.

  193. anon[200] • Disclaimer says:

    #124

    “Ugly women.”

    “There re no ugly women.” – Fyodor Karamazov

    According to some DNA study somewhere – maybe isteve? – 80% of the women who’ve ever lived have descendants living today, while only 40% of the men left descendants. So maybe Karamazov was right. Almost any hag can get laid, especially when she is young and you are drunk. I mean, legend has it that men will even do pigs and sheep on occasion! But when you add the ugly personalities and the various derangement syndromes of the modern female into the mix, even a ten-foot pole isn’t long enough.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @anon

    quoted here, Roy Beaumeister's "Is There Anything Good About Men?"

    https://web.archive.org/web/20110107122131/http://denisdutton.com/baumeister.htm


    Consider this question: What percent of our ancestors were women?

    It’s not a trick question, and it’s not 50%. True, about half the people who ever lived were women, but that’s not the question. We’re asking about all the people who ever lived who have a descendant living today. Or, put another way, yes, every baby has both a mother and a father, but some of those parents had multiple children.

    Recent research using DNA analysis answered this question about two years ago. Today’s human population is descended from twice as many women as men.

    I think this difference is the single most underappreciated fact about gender. To get that kind of difference, you had to have something like, throughout the entire history of the human race, maybe 80% of women but only 40% of men reproduced.
     

    Also, recall the dating website survey where women rated 80% of men as "below average" where men were much more realistic in their grading.

    But drunk is key to mating down for men.

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=beer+goggles

    Replies: @Anon

  194. @Thoughts
    I'm keeping quiet on this event until I see the manifesto and know if she was put on drugs recently

    Looking at the video, she seems to be a fan of Paula Poundstone, who I also love, and she seems rather tame

    I can't imagine the person in the video doing this crime unless some pharma drugs were involved

    And you know if pharma drugs were involved we'll never have that discussion

    So it's all pointless

    Now to read your article

    Replies: @Cato

    I can’t imagine the person in the video doing this crime unless some pharma drugs were involved

    Also my view. She was under treatment for “emotional problems”. Whatever drug she was taking to regulate her emotions did nothing to help her suppress her rage and self-loathing.

  195. @Reg Cæsar
    @J.Ross

    Mädchen is neuter because the suffix -chen, cognate with English -kin, is always neuter. Likewise, -lein is always feminine.

    Do the Twains and others who mock the language know this much?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @†

    Mädchen is neuter because the suffix -chen, cognate with English -kin, is always neuter. Likewise, -lein is always feminine.

    Actually, words ending in -lein, cognate with English -ling, are also always neuter: Bächlein, Fräulein, Gänslein, Mütterlein, Pferdlein, Röcklein, Zicklein — all neuter.

    Do the Twains and others who mock the language know this much?

    Twain was a humorist, and his essay The Awful German Language was an example of his craft.

    Note that he had these German words put on his wife’s gravestone: Gott sei Dir gnädig, O meine Wonne. Had he held the German language in contempt, he would not have had those words put there.

  196. @Bill P
    @Jack D

    Having a good daughter is such a blessing it's hard to explain. Of course I'd be there for any girl and accept her, but this one makes it so rewarding.

    I've already had the talk with her about how it will be out there in the wider world. I encourage her to go for it and head out east because although I know she'll be humbled it will bring out the best in her. In a way circumstances have already humbled her, and that's an advantage she'll have over many intellectual peers.

    But you're right about the continuing support. I can't let up yet. Probably not for a few years.

    Replies: @Jack D, @YetAnotherAnon

    Not until she meets a good man and then it will be his problem (mostly).

  197. @Harry Baldwin
    Matthew Yglesias notes how depression is recently worse among teenage girls who see themselves as Democrats and progressives.

    One of the reasons Democrats and Progressives are so depressed is that many of them actually believe global warming is going to end human life on this planet within their lifetime. I can understand someone pretending to believe this for political reasons, i.e., the Obamas with their beachfront properties, but the true believers accept our inevitable doom as a fact. They will state it as the reason they don't want to have children. It's such a stupid reason that I suspect it's just a rationalization that they use to impress their peers.

    I foresee a lot of trouble ahead but it didn't stop me from having children.

    Replies: @Corn, @Stan Adams

    I’ve always viewed “global warming”/“climate change” as a scam. Shocks me how many liberals on Twitter will cite that as a reason not to have kids or why they’re not having children.

    “Bring children into this doomed world with climate change??!!”

  198. @Ian Smith
    @Jack D

    Appeal to authority. Besides, doctors do circumcisions which are painful, dangerous, and medically useless 99% of the time.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Are they war criminals too?

    • Replies: @Ian Smith
    @Jack D

    Yes.

  199. @J.Ross
    OT -- From Ellis Items: A petition that top level AI research be halted immediately (with government intervention if necessary) has been signed by about 1200 people, including Steve Wozniak and Elon Musk.
    https://www.reuters.com/technology/musk-experts-urge-pause-training-ai-systems-that-can-outperform-gpt-4-2023-03-29/
    Old China Hand Orville Schell says Chinese military action is going from possible through probable to -- he won't say "likely." Yet.
    Xi Jinping has urged his generals to "dare to fight" and spoken frequently of war in speeches to the big fake-but-representative parliament they hold once a year.
    https://archive.ph/qrBqG

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Cato

    A petition that top level AI research be halted immediately (with government intervention if necessary) has been signed by about 1200 people, including Steve Wozniak and Elon Musk.

    If you are not worried about AI, you should wake yourself up by reading Nick Bostrom’s “Superintelligence”.

    A fair number of AI developers are guessing that we might hit AGI by the end of 2023 (check out Siqi Chan on Twitter). GPT-5 will probably be out around December.

  200. @Mr. Anon
    @Maciano


    Misgendering is what the media does

    Correctly gendering, that’s the real thought crime here.
     

    The mistake in both cases is use of the word "gender". Gender is a grammatical term. Their is no "gender", hence there can be no "misgendering". The relevant biological term is "sex". There are two of them, male and female. People are one or the other of them, starting at conception, and remain so for their entire life.

    If you want to rescue your culture from insanity, stop using the screwed-up language of these insane cultural vandals.

    Replies: @†

    The mistake in both cases is use of the word “gender”. Gender is a grammatical term. [There] is no “gender”, hence there can be no “misgendering”. The relevant biological term is “sex”. There are two of them, male and female. People are one or the other of them, starting at conception, and remain so for their entire life.

    The Oxford English Dictionary gives several definitions for the noun “gender”. Its oldest meaning is “kind, sort, class”, and its second oldest meaning is the grammatical meaning. Its third oldest meaning is “(biological) sex”, which goes back to the late 14th century:

    No mo genders been there but masculine, and femynyne, all the remnaunte been no genders but of grace, in facultie of grammer.

    There was also a “product, offspring, generation” meaning that originated in the 17th century. The euphemistic “(social/cultural) sex” meaning first appeared in 1963.

    Curiously, “genderless” goes back to 1887:

    Literarians are still in search of a genderless pronoun of the third person singular.

    • Thanks: Cato
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @†


    No mo genders been there but masculine, and femynyne, all the remnaunte been no genders but of grace, in facultie of grammer.
     
    That useage itself appears refers to grammar, not people.

    "Gender" was sometimes used as a polite euphemism for "sex" - "sex" being deemed too direct a term in some societies. Although even the squeamish Victorians used "sex" ("the fairer sex").

    "Sex" was used a lot more than "gender" ever was when I was a kid. I don't remember "gender" being commonly used until the late 90s or so. Given the complete muddle that the PoMo left has made out of the term "gender", I see no utility in it anymore.

    Replies: @†

  201. @Jack D
    @Mr. Anon

    The doctors who do this to adults are not war criminals. They are acting with the informed consent of and at the request of their patients. You might disagree (obviously you do) but some doctors think that this is appropriate medical care. The doctors who performed a lobotomy on Rosemary Kennedy thought the same and they weren't war criminals either. Maybe in some more enlightened future age, your views will become the norm but for now they aren't. Calling these doctors "war criminals" encourages the deranged to kill them, as abortion doctors have been murdered.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Catdog, @Mr. Anon

    The doctors who do this to adults are not war criminals. They are acting with the informed consent of and at the request of their patients.

    Including the minor patients? The children of crazy women who want to get back at their ex husbands, or just be a social-justice hero for fifteen minutes?

    I really don’t care if the consent is informed or not. There are some things that doctors should not do. What if a masochist – freely and with his informed consent – paid a doctor to torture him? Is that okay? Should that doctor keep his license?

    And frankly, I do consider the meretricious and amoral doctors who perform these ghoulish procedures to be on a par with war criminals like Joseph Mengele. They should lose their licenses to practice medicine, and they should feel grateful that they’re getting off that easy. They deserve criminal prosecution.

    And no, Mr. Stochastic Terrorism, I am not calling for mentally deranged people to off them, but thanks for the nice scarecrow you left us.

  202. @Reg Cæsar
    @AnotherDad


    FYI the single time the voters in California had a say on homosexual “marriage”, they voted to ban it.
     
    Not much later, though, they decided to keep the fool who once imposed it on his city. Mixed message, to say the least.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Not much later, though, they decided to keep the fool who once imposed it on his city. Mixed message, to say the least.

    California has undergone dramatic politico-demographic change over the last 40 years. It isn’t the same electorate from any given five year window to the next. There has been a steady outflow (and die-off) of conservative voters.

  203. @njguy73
    @Goddard

    So in their eyes, if the terrorists couldn't kill them, then we have to.

    If there's a Hell, Bin Laden is in it, and he's laughing his ass off.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    So in their eyes, if the terrorists couldn’t kill them, then we have to.

    If there’s a Hell, Bin Laden is in it, and he’s laughing his ass off.

    If we don’t kill ourselves, the terrorists win!

  204. @AceDeuce
    @Ebony Obelisk


    We the People are getting tired of bigotry(sic) so expect more lashing out. It’s unfortunate (sic) but if you keep poking the bear dont (sic) be surprised when things like this happen (sic)
     
    Most people would look at your ineptitude regarding simple punctuation, as shown above, and think that you're an idiot solely based on that--and they'd be right. But your vile post eclipses your poor grammar.

    To extend your stupid analogy, dangerous bears that show up in a human community are usually dispatched in short order. Careful what you wish for.

    Replies: @Ebony Obelisk

    Is that a threat?

    • Agree: AceDeuce
    • Replies: @Rocko
    @Ebony Obelisk

    You're the threat. You're better off getting sent to Liberia so you're can enslave your own Tiny Duckie

  205. @Spangel226
    How many actual female mass shooters have there been in the same period? I remember that one Iranian girl who shot up YouTube. And there was the San Bernardino lady, but she doesn’t count because she was working with her husband.

    If the female mass shooters are overwhelmingly ftms, i hypothesize that they are on testosterone and that because a high dose of testosterone is totally unnatural for women, they lack some of the psychological mechanisms of restraint that real men have. Women had no need to evolve the same degree of violent impulse control as men because women have way less violent impulses to begin with. But when you shoot ladies up with testosterone, maybe they get the violent impulses but don’t have the accompanying mechanisms of restraint. Whatever men have evolved for restraint, it doesn’t seem well understood. We can observe it and guess why it’s there, but who knows anything about how it works. There are theories that society tamed men through thousands of years of capital punishment, culling off the most violent males. But I don’t think it’s known how that might have impacted the brains and hormonal balances of men on average today.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    • Replies: @Spangel226
    @Almost Missouri

    I get the point this tantum character is making, but he is overly enamored with what imagines are the beneficial impact of testosterone. Sudden boost of energy, effectiveness and boldness? Come on. Testosterone isn’t the legendary elixir of valor here. Anyone ever look at some gun slinging hoodlum robbing a convenient store and think- look how effective testosterone made him!? It doesn’t take much of any planning to get a gun and shoot someone up. How much foresight does it look like armed robbers in the hood have? How much planning capacity did Adam Lanza have?

    Im saying that his thesis that ftms do not go mass shooter more often because they lack advanced planing capacity greatly overstates the amount of planning capacity it takes to shoot random people.

  206. @David Davenport
    Is tranny-ism really an up-from-the-grass-roots phenomenon?

    On the Internet right now, some output of the Microsoft Corporation:

    "News about How Young People Are Shaking Off Gender Binaries
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    How young people are shaking off gender binaries - BBC Worklife
    https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20230327-how...
    WebGender is typically assigned at birth as either male or female, corresponding with a new-born’s sex organs. But younger generations are increasingly rejecting that rigid binary, in …

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    WebHow young people are shaking off gender binaries Many Gen Zers are increasingly breaking out of the idea that gender means only 'man' or 'woman' – and these attitudes …

    Julia Dodd, JD, MBA, RPh on LinkedIn: How young people are …
    https://gp.linkedin.com/posts/juliadodd_how-young-people-are-shaking-off-gender...
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    Teens describe their gender and sexuality in diverse new ways, …
    https://phys.org/news/2021-03-teens-gender-sexuality-diverse-ways.html
    WebA growing number of young people are identifying as part of the LGBTQ+ community, and many are challenging binaries in gender and sexual identity to reflect a broader …

    Julia Dodd, JD, MBA, RPh on LinkedIn: How young people are …
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    WebJulia Dodd, JD, MBA, RPh’s Post Julia Dodd, JD, MBA, RPh Attorney. Marketer. Lobbyist. Advocate. 1h

    'Gender fluidity': The ever-shifting shape of identity
    https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20220914...
    WebIn a 2018 study of more than 80,000 9th and 11th graders in Minnesota, US, 3% said they saw themselves as “ transgender, genderqueer, gender fluid, or unsure of their gender …

    Jo Gubret on Twitter: "Klein is BBC spokesperson for the alphabet ...
    https://twitter.com/JoGy769/status/1640994926912761859
    WebConfused article: "Gender is typically assigned at birth as either male or female, corresponding with a new-born’s sex organs. But younger generations are increasingly …

    Robert Cunningham sur LinkedIn : How young people are …
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    A Guide to Understanding Gender Identity and Pronouns : NPR
    https://www.npr.org/2021/06/02/996319297
    WebUnlike gender expression, gender identity is not outwardly visible to others. For most people, gender identity aligns with the sex assigned at birth, the American …

    Proud to be a second-class Australian | How young people are …
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/secondclasscitizen/posts/10159239370636003
    WebHow young people are shaking off gender binaries:

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Thanks. I enjoy these little posts exposing through brutal juxtaposition how a supposedly “grassroots” phenomenon is actually psyop-ed from the top down through the regime media.

  207. @Jack D
    @Arclight


    she was a very troubled person, was told that adopting a different identity was a solution, and when it turned out not to be, that coupled with extremist messaging that heightened her sense of alienation led her to do something awful.
     
    She was very troubled by definition.

    We don't know who if anyone told her to adopt a different identity. Generally troubled people pick up what is "in the air" in a particular culture. In another time and place she might have decided that she was possessed by demons and needed to be exorcised.

    Since there are rarely any true cures for the troubled (I doubt that in the 1950s this woman would have been happy as a wife and mother anyway) the question becomes of "what to do next". Again each age seems to have its own answers. In the '50s she might have just put her head in the gas oven or jumped off a bridge. Shooting up schools seems to be popular in our time, for dimly understood reasons (at least I don't understand them). A lot of these crimes are again , "in the air" - people are not very original and imitate what they see other (troubled) people doing.

    As for extremist messaging, judging by the fact that a "manifesto" exists and that gays are not eager to see it released, you are probably right that she was influenced by this. Although AFAIK, there is no comparable LBGT entity to the Islamic State where they are actually telling trans people to go and shoot up schools.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    there is no comparable LBGT entity to the Islamic State where they are actually telling trans people to go and shoot up schools.

    Blue Check Twitter + MSM = LGBT Islamic State

    https://twitter.com/4everContrarian/status/1640875832884486144

    Oh, and maybe +NATO

    https://twitter.com/ThatDude3210/status/1640527443122372610

  208. @AnotherDad
    @Corvinus

    Corny, once again I'm going to try--yes, I know it's hopeless--to improve your reasoning power.

    I'm the "separate nations" guy. I have no problem with other people living in "Weedville" or "Queerville" ... I am just not interested in that. Nor are tens of millions--I'd guess well over 100 million other Americans.

    My "separate nations" is precisely a claim--which happens to be accurate--that under the minoritarian regime we simply no longer have anything that resembles a "nation". When I was a kid America had its own version American version of pretty standard 20th century Western Christian norms. People are broadly more relaxed about a whole bunch of stuff, but those traditional norms are still seen as basically reasonable and certainly behaving in line with them as preferrable, by about half the country. But the other half find those norms illegitimate and are committed to an entirely different project. Which includes imposing their new norms and new project upon traditional Americans.

    Ergo I suggest separation. The simple "we each go our own way" solution. Let communities choose their own norms and people can sort themselves out. (You can still live in Weedville dude and get the weed you need.) There is nothing "fascist" about that (the lamo epithet of out-of-mental-ammo prog.) Rather it is self-government. Federalism or even "hyper federalism". It is allowing people to live in communities with the norms which fits their needs and desires.

    Try "thought" and "reasoning" it's not hard.


    (FYI the single time the voters in California had a say on homosexual "marriage", they voted to ban it. Outside immigration I can't think of anything as "top down" and elite imposed as the homo marriage farce.)

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Corvinus, @Almost Missouri

    Yes, your separate nations claim is your preference. But it’s not going to happen. It’s not this simple solution. Too many people are of the mindset that we do have a nation and are willing to fight for it.

    Remember, that “traditional America” put down minorities, women, and ethnic whites in their “proper place” from a legal and social standpoint. We’re not going back to that time. Indeed, thought and reasoning is pretty challenging for you.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Corvinus


    Too many people are of the mindset that we do have a nation and are willing to fight for it.
     
    Stupid people, like you.

    Actually, the military is having a hard time recruiting people. A lot of people now see through this sham-empire that the country has become. And there is no "nation" - that is long dead.

    These words have meanings, which you do not know, because you are an idiot.

    Indeed, thought and reasoning is pretty challenging for you.
     
    Said the man who never had a thought that wasn't stuffed into his head by NPR.

    You're a moron.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @Jim Don Bob

  209. @Travis
    @Dragoslav

    even in the sixties the majority of women were married by age 23. While marriage rates fell in the 80s and 90s, young unmarried females during the 1990's typically had a romantic partner. In contrast today 25% of American females under the age of 30 have not gotten laid in the past year. Rates of sexual activity declined with the millennials and has declined even more over the last decade. The lack of pair bonding and lack of romantic partners is one of the factors causing the rise of mental illness among American females. Millennials and Gen Z are getting less sex than their great grandparents. This lack of sexual activity among young females has resulted in increased rates of depression and anxiety. Unfortunately American men no longer have the testosterone levels required to bang below average looking females. Testosterone levels tof wenty year-old men today are lower than 65 year old males from 25 years ago. Thus the lack of pair bonding is a result of declining testosterone levels which makes men less sexually active, thus lowering the ability of females to get laid.

    Replies: @J, @YetAnotherAnon, @Corvinus, @Vinnyvette, @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    Mentally ill American women aren’t getting laid because they don’t want to put out. There are two types

    A) No man is good enough / hates men

    B) Even a five in makeup thinks she’s entitled to Tom Brady or George Clooney: Tall, ripped, wealthy, famous, GQ cover model looks. He damn well better have all of these traits, because she deserves theee best!

    Men are more than willing to hit it and quit it. But don’t want to stick around. They avoid these women “because” they
    are head cases. Women aren’t head cases because they don’t have access to willing men. All they have to do is swipe right on Tinder and unless they are hideous land whales, can get laid on demand, with average guys, who are still above them in sexual market value, but women all think they are entitled to the top 10 – 20 %. If they can’t have the best they can’t be bothered.

    The ones still putting out are on the C@ck carousel enjoying the ride, until they smack the wall, reality sets in. Then they want some chump to settle down with them.
    Men are on to the game, and it’s rigged in women’s favor.

    Low T is a cope. So is always blaming the men, that’s what women do.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Vinnyvette

    Men look for a 10. Women look for a 24.

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Rule+of+Sixes

    , @AnotherDad
    @Vinnyvette


    Women aren’t head cases because they don’t have access to willing men. All they have to do is swipe right on Tinder and unless they are hideous land whales, can get laid on demand, with average guys, who are still above them in sexual market value, but women all think they are entitled to the top 10 – 20 %. If they can’t have the best they can’t be bothered.
     
    Thanks Vinnyvette.

    I do think women sliding through their 20s unmarried, childless coupled with smart phone/social media is what has sent whiny minoritarian nuttery ("wokeness") through the roof.

    But I was going to respond yesterday to that particular bit from Travis, exactly as you did. It is easier now for women to get sex than ever before. As you said, if not a physically repulsive land whale, any gal can go on Tinder and swipe up some action in seconds.

    What women can not just flick their fingers and get--as always--is commitment from a man they want. That--for most--requires "work"--behaving like a decent women, who would make a good wife to a good man and a good mother to his children. And requires some *realism* and appreciation for men who are reasonable matches for them. Setting aside perpetual grievance in favor of appreciation of the joy and beauty to be had in life.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Meretricious
    @Vinnyvette

    George Clooney is not "tall": he's 5'11"

  210. @ChrisZ
    I wrote the comment below back in June, regarding another of Steve’s periodic posts on the trans phenomenon (I believe he was noticing the violent egoism of the M-to-F species). It seems appropriate in the present case, too, especially in the suggestion that transsexualism is a kind of monster-creation:

    “Transgenderism is not ultimately an “exchange” of one sexual identity for another, but rather seems to result in an amalgamation of the worst personality aspects of both sexes: the brutality and self assertion of men, with none of the restraint; the manipulativeness and vanity of women, with none of the grace (or beauty—let’s be honest).

    “This combination might, in fact, be some sort of definition of the superman (or more likely, superhuman) who defies mediocre convention, and lives beyond human norms (including the norm of male/female). Steve’s citation of the transgender’s sense of innate superiority might support this view.

    “Nietzsche described his superman as a combination of spiritual opposites: Caesar with the soul of Christ. Our carnal age may have located superhumanity in some unholy combination of Idi Amin and Tonya Harding. Monsters of the masculine and feminine ego.”

    Replies: @Vinnyvette

    This combination might, in fact, be some sort of definition of the superman (or more likely, superhuman) who defies mediocre convention, and lives beyond human norms.

    In the world of psychiatry, they are called narcissists.

  211. @Corvinus
    @AnotherDad

    Yes, your separate nations claim is your preference. But it’s not going to happen. It’s not this simple solution. Too many people are of the mindset that we do have a nation and are willing to fight for it.

    Remember, that “traditional America” put down minorities, women, and ethnic whites in their “proper place” from a legal and social standpoint. We’re not going back to that time. Indeed, thought and reasoning is pretty challenging for you.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Too many people are of the mindset that we do have a nation and are willing to fight for it.

    Stupid people, like you.

    Actually, the military is having a hard time recruiting people. A lot of people now see through this sham-empire that the country has become. And there is no “nation” – that is long dead.

    These words have meanings, which you do not know, because you are an idiot.

    Indeed, thought and reasoning is pretty challenging for you.

    Said the man who never had a thought that wasn’t stuffed into his head by NPR.

    You’re a moron.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Mr. Anon

    To the point where washouts are reconstituted.

    https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/basic-training-without-yelling-army-040733640.html

    I'm sure everyone here is shocked by the photo showing the type of recruit this policy was enacted for.

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Mr. Anon


    Actually, the military is having a hard time recruiting people.
     
    Tucker said last night that the military too was having draq queen shows, so maybe that's a deterrent. No officer is doing that unless he is sure the higher ups are ok with it. Hard to believe.
  212. @†
    @Mr. Anon


    The mistake in both cases is use of the word “gender”. Gender is a grammatical term. [There] is no “gender”, hence there can be no “misgendering”. The relevant biological term is “sex”. There are two of them, male and female. People are one or the other of them, starting at conception, and remain so for their entire life.
     
    The Oxford English Dictionary gives several definitions for the noun “gender”. Its oldest meaning is “kind, sort, class”, and its second oldest meaning is the grammatical meaning. Its third oldest meaning is “(biological) sex”, which goes back to the late 14th century:

    No mo genders been there but masculine, and femynyne, all the remnaunte been no genders but of grace, in facultie of grammer.
     
    There was also a “product, offspring, generation” meaning that originated in the 17th century. The euphemistic “(social/cultural) sex” meaning first appeared in 1963.

    Curiously, “genderless” goes back to 1887:

    Literarians are still in search of a genderless pronoun of the third person singular.
     

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    No mo genders been there but masculine, and femynyne, all the remnaunte been no genders but of grace, in facultie of grammer.

    That useage itself appears refers to grammar, not people.

    “Gender” was sometimes used as a polite euphemism for “sex” – “sex” being deemed too direct a term in some societies. Although even the squeamish Victorians used “sex” (“the fairer sex”).

    “Sex” was used a lot more than “gender” ever was when I was a kid. I don’t remember “gender” being commonly used until the late 90s or so. Given the complete muddle that the PoMo left has made out of the term “gender”, I see no utility in it anymore.

    • Replies: @†
    @Mr. Anon



    No mo genders been there but masculine, and femynyne, all the remnaunte been no genders but of grace, in facultie of grammer.
     
    That [usage] itself appears [to refer] to grammar, not people.
     
    The dictionary’s quotation is necessarily limited due to space considerations. In context (Thomas Usk’s The Testament of Love, book II, chapter 3), it is more readily identifiable as referring to people.

    “Gender” was sometimes used as a polite euphemism for “sex” – “sex” being deemed too direct a term in some societies. Although even the squeamish Victorians used “sex” (“the fairer sex”).
     
    Except for the “sexual intercourse” and “genitalia” meanings, there are examples of the other meanings of “sex” going back to the 14th century — including in Victorian times. Phrases like “the fairer sex”, “the weaker sex”, &c. go back to Elizabethan times (16th century).
  213. @Jack D
    @Almost Missouri

    I think this would be a tough case to make. First of all, anyone receiving this surgery will have signed a bunch of consent forms. 2nd, the doctor will bring in a number of other doctors who are "expert witnesses" to testify that gender affirming care meets the standards of care. They will get the f'ing heads of Harvard Medical School, Johns Hopkins and the Mayo Clinic to all testify in the doctor's favor. Not to mention the Surgeon General her/himself.

    If there was $ to be made with such suits, trust me, there is SOMEONE who would have taken these cases. The guys who do medical malpractice work don't care who they sue as long as there is an insurance policy to go after. You could be doing life saving heart surgery on babies and they would sue you if they thought that they could get a verdict in their favor.

    If you really want to go after this, it's going to have to be legislative because the current medical profession consensus is that this sort of surgery is ethical and proper, regardless of whether you think that it is barbaric, and if you try to go after them the doctors will circle the wagons.

    Replies: @Ian Smith, @Pixo, @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad

    anyone receiving this surgery will have signed a bunch of consent forms.

    Minors can’t consent.

    They will get the f’ing heads of Harvard Medical School, Johns Hopkins and the Mayo Clinic to all testify in the doctor’s favor.

    Ah, the Experts. Americans are famously deferential to The Experts.

    Sarcasm aside, I’m not sure what even the head of Harvard Medical School can tell anyone about the medical necessity of drag queen shows for children.

  214. Anonymous[179] • Disclaimer says:

    But it’s not always the case that the more things change, the more they stay the same. Young women in America are significantly less happy today than they were in the, apparent, Good Old Days of 2011 before the transgender mania.

    Once upon a time young women had a readymade role as part of society: they were mothers, and they were people charged with actively holding their communities together.

    But for some women it was oppressive that they had such modest expectations. Bear children? Pish! Go to PTA meetings? Posh! What pathetic, worthless people would aspire to such lowly ambitions???

    Now you have to be a worldbeater: better than a man in every meaningful way, and possibly a mother, if you really need to stoop so low. Oh, and make sure to ride the cock carousel, to keep the men happy – because they really are the ones with all the power, as even the feminists will admit.

    Bash it if you must, but the role of mother and wife and glue that holds the community together had the insane benefit of…being realistically achievable for most women.

    …oh, and of helping to perpetuate the human race…

    …oh, and of being a fairly reliable way to find happiness, if with certain modifications here and there, depending on your preferences.

    Women have no social role anymore – especially if they are leftists who disdain the importance of such roles.

  215. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Almost Missouri


    Wiki says the “ethics of surgically amputating the undesired limb of a person with BID are difficult and controversial.”
     
    As far back as 2000 a UK doctor was doing this. Note that the "medical ethicist" explicitly compares this with "gender reassignment".

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2000/feb/01/futureofthenhs.health


    A surgeon who amputated the healthy limbs from two psychologically disturbed men at their request said yesterday that he saw nothing wrong with his actions and that he was disappointed he would not be able to carry out such operations again.

    Robert Smith cut off the lower legs of two patients, one from England and one from Germany, during private operations at Falkirk and district royal infirmary. The men had been turned away by surgeons across Europe before Mr Smith agreed to operate.

    Mr Smith said, however, that he did not want to specialise in the procedure. "The last thing I want to be is a world centre for cutting off arms and legs."

    The two men were suffering from an extremely rare form of body dysmorphic disorder known as apotemnophilia. Those suffering from the disease have an obsessive belief that their body is "incomplete" with four limbs and will only be complete after amputation. In most cases of apotemnophilia the desire to be an amputee is linked to a form of sexual arousal, but Mr Smith said there was no suggestion that any of his patients were motivated by sexual urges.

    Following an internal investigation, Forth Valley NHS trust has now effectively banned Mr Smith from carrying out further procedures on people suffering from the disorder. Private hospitals have also refused to allow Mr Smith to carry out the procedure.

    Mr Smith said he had six more patients waiting to be considered for amputation, two of whom had been fully assessed by psychiatrists as suitable candidates. The disorder takes over patients' lives and Mr Smith said that one of his patients had already tried to persuade friends to shoot off one of her limbs.

    "My fear is that someone will injure or kill themselves," he said. "I have very serious concerns that they will go to an unlicensed practitioner or take the law into their own hands and lie down on a railway line, or take a shotgun."

    Mr Smith's patients, whom he said were severely disabled by their disorder, had rigorous psychological and psychiatric evaluations before their operations. His decision to carry out the amputations was legal.

    Kenyon Mason, a professor dealing with medical ethics, said the law would view the case in much the same way as it would gender reassignment. "As long as you say that people can have a sex change for what is a severe psychological disease, then it is difficult to say you cannot have an amputation for this form of severe psychological disease," said Professor Mason.
     

    Maybe it's that Robert Smith from The Cure.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cPwxoQ6KCk

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    As far back as 2000 a UK doctor was doing this.

    The woman I aware of was early 1990s, but apparently she had been shopping her compulsion around since the 1980s. So yeah, it’s not exactly novel, but they didn’t have the unnatural wind of trannymania at their backs then.

    Both Wiki and this Guardian article claim there is a sexual dimension to this peculiar obsession, but from what little I knew about this woman I would say that was not the case, and this amputation doctor also denies any sexual component. I can’t see how that would compute anyhow: “cut my limb off”=”I need more/less sex”?!? It seems more likely that assigning a sexual dimension to the matter is just a leftover of Freud’s baleful everything-is-infantile-sexuality diagnostic.

    I remember as a youth hearing that Monty Python bit (and also the Life of Brian gag about the wannabe transgender terrorist) and thinking, “that’s cute, but it’s a little too absurd to be properly funny.” Now of course society has taken the distance between 1970s extreme absurdity and current year holy writ in a single stride, and I wonder why the sublime absurdity of those gags couldn’t inoculate civilization against the tranny madness. Then I wonder how long before they become Hate Speech and their authors are cancelled.

  216. @Jack D
    @MEH 0910

    From those lobbying against the release of the manifesto, you can infer that it would not be helpful to the LGBTQ cause.

    Nevertheless, it may still not be a good idea to release it because it can lead to copycat crimes. The sick individual WANTED this manifesto released and perpetrated this crime in part to attract attention to it. Future perps should know that this is not an effective strategy and that no matter how many people they kill, their stupid manifesto will never see the light of day.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Elsewhere, @res, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @David In TN, @fredyetagain aka superhonky, @Brutusale, @Reg Cæsar, @Dumbo

    Ridiculous. First of all, this was a hoax, but even assuming it was real for the sake of the narrative, no one will become a mass murderer because they’ve read a manifesto or want to publish their own manifesto, and if they do, well, they were nuts in the first place and wouldn’t need a manifesto to shoot people.

    Also, how many people actually read those manifestos, except for a few soundbites published in the media? How can we even know if such manifestos are real?

    The only murderer manifesto which is readable and has actual ideas is the Unabomber one. The rest are just gibberish, and publishing them or not doesn’t change anything. After all, it’s not as if we don’t have something called “social media” where people already publish all kinds of crazy stuff for all to see…

  217. @Dream
    https://twitter.com/joeviewtiful22/status/1640866027121803264?t=4F78Xb49J2opjk743Q2Baw&s=19

    Replies: @Dumbo

    Ridiculous. There were Mexican cops in Nashville too, including Collazo which is a Latino name. The only difference is that the Nashville hoax was slightly better organized, but not by much.

    • Replies: @DCThrowback
    @Dumbo

    Whenever I hear the shooter was "in therapy", I immediately think three letter agencies and the use of SSRIs (or worse). So either hoax or time bomb, you choose.

  218. @Dr. Rock
    @Almost Missouri

    Yep, it's the same thing they do with "gun deaths" and "gun violence".

    We all know the demos that drive the numbers, because we've looked into it, or seen them here, but for the common dolt, all they hear are the outrageous statistics, and think "Gee, that's just terrible, we should do something".

    If you remove black violence, our country is one of the safest on the planet, and our cities would have extremely low rates of violence.

    Hence, black violence drives the statistics, and then they use those stats to attack lawful, usually white, gun owners, as if THEY are causing those sky high numbers.

    It's a con, just like everything.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @another fred

    Yep, it’s the same thing they do with “gun deaths” and “gun violence”.

    They also do it with “hate incidents”. They cite SLPC/ADL figures (mostly composed of someone saying or writing something “racist”) as proof that “hate incidents are skyrocketing” then switch to discussing an actual crime such as murder. The unattentive listener (99%) is left with the impression that racist “hate” murders are “skyrocketing” when in fact it’s just a bunch of statistical filler. (Well, actually hate murders are rising—six more in Nashville just now—but that’s not the kind of hate they mean.)

    Another common deployment of the trick is in race-mixing propaganda. The big US “intermarriage” category is Hispanics and non-Hispanics marrying each other. Many of them are probably not aware that their e.g. Chilean spouse is statistically a “different race”. But the news story will run with a stock photo of a Daniel Kaluuya-esque African with a Nordic blonde, implying that this is the modal (pun intended) intermarriage. Most readers will glance at the “Intermarriages Increasing!” headline and the photo, reach the approved (but false) conclusion, and move on.

    It’s a crude trick, but very effective. So they use it constantly. I hear news anchors use all the time: cite a specific instance then cite a general category, implying that the former is representative of the latter when it is often not even the same concept.

    As Steve says, what goes unmentioned goes unthought, so the trick needs a name. It’s not quite a “bait-and-switch”. “Double game” is the best I’ve come up with.

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    @Almost Missouri


    “As Steve says, what goes unmentioned goes unthought, so the trick needs a name. It’s not quite a ‘bait-and-switch.’ ‘Double game’ is the best I’ve come up with.”
     
    Distortion? Confusion?

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  219. I was going to bemoan the time wasted at these papers in carefully constructing pronoun-less copy, but hey, maybe it keeps them from doing worse things.

  220. @Anonymous
    Steve Sailer:

    "My new column in Taki’s Magazine is about how the single data point of the Trans School Shooter exemplifies a medium size trend, the F to M mania, which is the craziest illustration of a large trend: the rise in mental illness among young women."

    The actual *successful* suicide rate among young men is 4.5 X higer than that of young women. But you don't care about them because, as a classic consevative, you base the worth of Human Beings on their biological value, and the value of young men is too low for anyone to care. Or, as you put it in your Twitter account, showing insufferable levels of condescencion and contempt for the value of young males:

    "Young women are the most important people in the World."

    Why? Because they can get pregnant. This unearned accident of biology makes young women super extra special. You see, sperm is too cheap for you to care about the pain and suffering of Human Beings if they happen to be male and young, even if their pain and suffering is such that they have a 450% higher mortality rate from suicide than the gender that you care more about. I guess the comedian, Chris Rock, said it best:

    "What is a man's life worth? When there is a car accident and both a man and a dog get killed, most people feel sorry for the dog."

    And Bomer white men trash like Steve Sailer not only don't care about the horrrific struggles of modern young men, but on top of that dedicates themselves to making the life of young men even more miserable than it already is by hogging all the real estate to artifically inflate prices, running the country into the ground with debt that will have to be paid by the young men, get divorced multiple times so as to hog all the young women for themselves, since a 20 year-old has no chance of competing with a 60 year-old's accumulated wealth and status.

    Thanks, Boomer men. What a *great* generation you are. You lived off your parents' achievements and wealth and contributed nothing to the World. You inherited from your parents the richest Society in the World, and the World's largest creditor nation, and you are leaving to your sons a compl;etely broken Society that went from having 40% of the World's GDP to only 16%, and a National Debt that is actually larger than the entire GDP.

    You treated your sons like shit growing up, while you pampered your daughters and turrned them into a generation of hypergamous, rude, entitled princesses that treat men like shit and expect everything from them without giving anything in return. I mean, what else to expect? You taught them that men must be chivalrous to them, pay all their bills, and that it is the man that has to "earn" her, while she can be fat, rude, entitled and a prima dona and that is ok because she is a superior female.

    Who are you kidding, conservative men? You had every opportunity to oppose feminism. You didn't do it out of *cowardice* .You allowed feminist teachers to tell your sons that every man is a rapist, a murderer and innately evil. You kneew that this was wrong, but you said nothing out of fear of retalation. You exercised your "manliness" by giving your sons the traditional education that is given to boys of daily beatings to "make them men", while spoiling your princesses silly. It's so much easier to beat up a 7 year-old to feel like a man than to go to the school boards and oppose anti-male education, as that is bad PR for you and could cost you friendships and even maybe your job. You prefered, out of cowardice, to turn a blind eye and instead live your fantasy of being a 1950's style macho dad, and that the Society that you were living in the 70's, 80's and 90's was exactly the one of the Eisenhower Administration.

    What really pisses me off is that "male privilge" is a lie. Historically, most men were treated like complete shit. They did the most dangerous jobs, they were *forced* to go to war whether they want to or not(imagine that, the governemnt saying that your body belongs to the State and not to yiou).

    Women have always had exemption from the most dangerous duties just of their superior biological value. They are privileged in courts, get lighter sentences for the same crimes as men. Little gilrs are protected by law from genital mutilation, while boys are not, etc. the privileges never end for females.

    You are born a man, you are going to live 10 years less, nobody will care about your feelings and needs("stop whining!""Be a man!"). Nobody will help you if you are down, while females have an entire network of friends and family to help them, etc. As a boy growing up, all of Society, even your "loving" parents will be much harsher to you to "make you a man". And "make you a man" for what? Oh, that's right: to more effectively serve the needs of the superior female gender. As I see it, a Society that doesn't care about me doesn't deserve that I care about it.

    Also, Sailer's article is just a sexist appeal for a return to the pre-1960's era. In fact, Sailer's entire article can be summarized as follows:

    "Women were much happier when Ike was President, and they were kept barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. A woman can only be happy if she is barefoot and pregnant with her 8th kid in the kitches while cooking her husband a meal."

    It's sad. It's really, really sad. I don't know which is worse, if the anti-male bigotry of liberals, or the chivalrous sexism of conservatives. Regardless, young men lose. No matter what, young men are just disposable cannon fodder for the Society. Even with the Military Draft ended, people still expect a young man to repair the high-voltage cables rather than a young woman. Or to work himself to deat at the asbestos mine. Her life is too precious!

    I really admire the Nordic countries of Europe because they are the only societies in all of Human hisotry that have actually made genuine attempts of equality between the sexes. Interestingly, all the legislation passed in those countries to protect and cherish men came from female Parliament members. So maybe the problem is not women. Myabe the problem is men devaluing other men to make themselves more attractive to women. If you are a 60 year-old Boomer, it makes sense to make the life of a 20 year-old male as miserable as possible and make him as poor and low-status as possible so that you can snag the 18 year-old girl that would be his girlfriend if he actually had a nice life. Men are their worse enemies.

    Replies: @Prester John, @Almost Missouri, @Anon, @Anon

    I can’t tell if you’re trolling or not, but if not: take it easy! I know what you mean but the boomers here are 99% innocent of your charges. In fact you may be addressing one of few forums of the boomers who resisted the boomer corruption.

    I gather your personal circumstances are poor and I wish you good fortune in improving them, but Steve and his boomer-posters are the last people to blame for it.

  221. @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D


    From those lobbying against the release of the manifesto, you can infer that it would not be helpful to the LGBTQ cause.

    Nevertheless, it may still not be a good idea to release it because it can lead to copycat crimes.
     
    What medium is it in, that it even can be suppressed? Certainly not WordPress.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    What medium is it in, that it even can be suppressed?

    Mark Warner’s got a plan for that.

    The RESTRICT Act, introduced by Sens. Mark Warner (D-VA) and Tom Thune (R-SD), is aimed at blocking or disrupting transactions and financial holdings linked to foreign adversaries that pose a risk to national security, however the language of the bill could be used to give the US government enormous power to punish free speech.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/restrict-act-orwellian-censorship-grab-disguised-anti-tiktok-legislation

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Bill Jones

    This new Senate bill really is a major menace and deserves more (and more hostile) treatment than I can give it here.

    It is essentially government treason against Americans.

    https://twitter.com/barbquehour/status/1641119344955473936

  222. anon[294] • Disclaimer says:

    #196

    “Too many people are of the mindset that we do have a nation and are willing to fight for it. ”

    All that means is you intend to impose your “mindset” on others. Not a noble reason to fight, but not an unusual one either – among tyrants. You can’t have a “multi-cultural” nation. It is a contradiction in terms. Helmut Schmidt, who was for it, said that the “multi-cult” is possible only under an “authoritarian state.”

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  223. @Almost Missouri
    @Dr. Rock


    Yep, it’s the same thing they do with “gun deaths” and “gun violence”.
     
    They also do it with "hate incidents". They cite SLPC/ADL figures (mostly composed of someone saying or writing something "racist") as proof that "hate incidents are skyrocketing" then switch to discussing an actual crime such as murder. The unattentive listener (99%) is left with the impression that racist "hate" murders are "skyrocketing" when in fact it's just a bunch of statistical filler. (Well, actually hate murders are rising—six more in Nashville just now—but that's not the kind of hate they mean.)

    Another common deployment of the trick is in race-mixing propaganda. The big US "intermarriage" category is Hispanics and non-Hispanics marrying each other. Many of them are probably not aware that their e.g. Chilean spouse is statistically a "different race". But the news story will run with a stock photo of a Daniel Kaluuya-esque African with a Nordic blonde, implying that this is the modal (pun intended) intermarriage. Most readers will glance at the "Intermarriages Increasing!" headline and the photo, reach the approved (but false) conclusion, and move on.

    It's a crude trick, but very effective. So they use it constantly. I hear news anchors use all the time: cite a specific instance then cite a general category, implying that the former is representative of the latter when it is often not even the same concept.

    As Steve says, what goes unmentioned goes unthought, so the trick needs a name. It's not quite a "bait-and-switch". "Double game" is the best I've come up with.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

    “As Steve says, what goes unmentioned goes unthought, so the trick needs a name. It’s not quite a ‘bait-and-switch.’ ‘Double game’ is the best I’ve come up with.”

    Distortion? Confusion?

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Nicholas Stix

    It is undoubtedly distortion and confusion, but distortion and confusion of particular kind, meant to mislead in a particular way. If there were a handy way to describe it, more would recognize it, and fewer would be misled by it.

  224. @AnonfromTN
    There were more mass shootings in the US (132 by March 29) than days in 2023:
    https://www.insider.com/how-many-us-mass-shootings-america-2023

    The one in Nashville is typical: a mental case (the very fact that she was trans clearly indicates that she was mentally deranged) with guns enters a school and starts shooting indiscriminately. Murdered three 9-year old kids and three teachers. Thank goodness, TN is a red state: the cops arrived and shot her (the only right thing to do in this case).

    Key problem is that in the US any lunatic or criminal can easily get hold of firearms. A psycho with a gun is a lot more dangerous than the same psycho with a knife.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @duncsbaby

    The one in Nashville is atypical

    FIFY

  225. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    About five years ago I was walking east to west on 125th street in Harlem on a hot summer day. A very flamboyant black guy was twenty yards ahead, swishing along.

    The amount of verbal abuse and threats this guy endured was shocking, all of it from black men and teenagers. They were cursing him, lunging towards him and then stopping, someone threw a soda can. He kept going and did not tone it down one bit, as if he expected it and was used to it.

    Never seen anything like it. I got to give it to him, it took real guts to walk that gauntlet. I think if it had been dark and without so many black grandmas and kids around someone surely would have done him serious harm. The homeys were enraged by this homo.

    Replies: @Renard, @duncsbaby

    Lucky you, that the tranny was sashaying 20 yards ahead and taking the heat off yourself. By chance did one of the black guys call out “Old Sport!” as you passed?

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @duncsbaby

    Blacks sense fear, but they also sense confidence. If you hesitate, you're lost. Think of them like pigeons; if you're hesitant they won't move and they'll see if they can get you to step into the gutter. If you just walk through them like the scavenging pests they are, they'll flap away and swarm the cat lady feeding them breadcrumbs.

  226. @Bill P
    @Jack D

    Having a good daughter is such a blessing it's hard to explain. Of course I'd be there for any girl and accept her, but this one makes it so rewarding.

    I've already had the talk with her about how it will be out there in the wider world. I encourage her to go for it and head out east because although I know she'll be humbled it will bring out the best in her. In a way circumstances have already humbled her, and that's an advantage she'll have over many intellectual peers.

    But you're right about the continuing support. I can't let up yet. Probably not for a few years.

    Replies: @Jack D, @YetAnotherAnon

    “Having a good daughter is such a blessing it’s hard to explain. Of course I’d be there for any girl and accept her, but this one makes it so rewarding.”

    Must be wonderful…. not everyone is so fortunate.

    “Now old Bill Jones had two daughters and a son,
    One went to Denver and the other went wrong,
    One got killed in a pool room fight,
    Still he goes singin’ from morning til night”

  227. @Anonymous
    Steve Sailer:

    "My new column in Taki’s Magazine is about how the single data point of the Trans School Shooter exemplifies a medium size trend, the F to M mania, which is the craziest illustration of a large trend: the rise in mental illness among young women."

    The actual *successful* suicide rate among young men is 4.5 X higer than that of young women. But you don't care about them because, as a classic consevative, you base the worth of Human Beings on their biological value, and the value of young men is too low for anyone to care. Or, as you put it in your Twitter account, showing insufferable levels of condescencion and contempt for the value of young males:

    "Young women are the most important people in the World."

    Why? Because they can get pregnant. This unearned accident of biology makes young women super extra special. You see, sperm is too cheap for you to care about the pain and suffering of Human Beings if they happen to be male and young, even if their pain and suffering is such that they have a 450% higher mortality rate from suicide than the gender that you care more about. I guess the comedian, Chris Rock, said it best:

    "What is a man's life worth? When there is a car accident and both a man and a dog get killed, most people feel sorry for the dog."

    And Bomer white men trash like Steve Sailer not only don't care about the horrrific struggles of modern young men, but on top of that dedicates themselves to making the life of young men even more miserable than it already is by hogging all the real estate to artifically inflate prices, running the country into the ground with debt that will have to be paid by the young men, get divorced multiple times so as to hog all the young women for themselves, since a 20 year-old has no chance of competing with a 60 year-old's accumulated wealth and status.

    Thanks, Boomer men. What a *great* generation you are. You lived off your parents' achievements and wealth and contributed nothing to the World. You inherited from your parents the richest Society in the World, and the World's largest creditor nation, and you are leaving to your sons a compl;etely broken Society that went from having 40% of the World's GDP to only 16%, and a National Debt that is actually larger than the entire GDP.

    You treated your sons like shit growing up, while you pampered your daughters and turrned them into a generation of hypergamous, rude, entitled princesses that treat men like shit and expect everything from them without giving anything in return. I mean, what else to expect? You taught them that men must be chivalrous to them, pay all their bills, and that it is the man that has to "earn" her, while she can be fat, rude, entitled and a prima dona and that is ok because she is a superior female.

    Who are you kidding, conservative men? You had every opportunity to oppose feminism. You didn't do it out of *cowardice* .You allowed feminist teachers to tell your sons that every man is a rapist, a murderer and innately evil. You kneew that this was wrong, but you said nothing out of fear of retalation. You exercised your "manliness" by giving your sons the traditional education that is given to boys of daily beatings to "make them men", while spoiling your princesses silly. It's so much easier to beat up a 7 year-old to feel like a man than to go to the school boards and oppose anti-male education, as that is bad PR for you and could cost you friendships and even maybe your job. You prefered, out of cowardice, to turn a blind eye and instead live your fantasy of being a 1950's style macho dad, and that the Society that you were living in the 70's, 80's and 90's was exactly the one of the Eisenhower Administration.

    What really pisses me off is that "male privilge" is a lie. Historically, most men were treated like complete shit. They did the most dangerous jobs, they were *forced* to go to war whether they want to or not(imagine that, the governemnt saying that your body belongs to the State and not to yiou).

    Women have always had exemption from the most dangerous duties just of their superior biological value. They are privileged in courts, get lighter sentences for the same crimes as men. Little gilrs are protected by law from genital mutilation, while boys are not, etc. the privileges never end for females.

    You are born a man, you are going to live 10 years less, nobody will care about your feelings and needs("stop whining!""Be a man!"). Nobody will help you if you are down, while females have an entire network of friends and family to help them, etc. As a boy growing up, all of Society, even your "loving" parents will be much harsher to you to "make you a man". And "make you a man" for what? Oh, that's right: to more effectively serve the needs of the superior female gender. As I see it, a Society that doesn't care about me doesn't deserve that I care about it.

    Also, Sailer's article is just a sexist appeal for a return to the pre-1960's era. In fact, Sailer's entire article can be summarized as follows:

    "Women were much happier when Ike was President, and they were kept barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. A woman can only be happy if she is barefoot and pregnant with her 8th kid in the kitches while cooking her husband a meal."

    It's sad. It's really, really sad. I don't know which is worse, if the anti-male bigotry of liberals, or the chivalrous sexism of conservatives. Regardless, young men lose. No matter what, young men are just disposable cannon fodder for the Society. Even with the Military Draft ended, people still expect a young man to repair the high-voltage cables rather than a young woman. Or to work himself to deat at the asbestos mine. Her life is too precious!

    I really admire the Nordic countries of Europe because they are the only societies in all of Human hisotry that have actually made genuine attempts of equality between the sexes. Interestingly, all the legislation passed in those countries to protect and cherish men came from female Parliament members. So maybe the problem is not women. Myabe the problem is men devaluing other men to make themselves more attractive to women. If you are a 60 year-old Boomer, it makes sense to make the life of a 20 year-old male as miserable as possible and make him as poor and low-status as possible so that you can snag the 18 year-old girl that would be his girlfriend if he actually had a nice life. Men are their worse enemies.

    Replies: @Prester John, @Almost Missouri, @Anon, @Anon

    Pfft. who were the “macho boomers”? Most of them were a bunch of limp wristed fags.

    The Boomer suicide rate is way higher than the “young male” suicide rate.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @Anon


    The Boomer suicide rate is way higher than the “young male” suicide rate.
     
    You mean today? Because the first, cultural cohort of Boomers are nearing their end of life, very much in a different posture than younger males.
  228. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dragoslav
    Another victim of the so-called sexual revolution. It seems (although it is not certain) that at 28 she was still living with her parents. 28 ! In the 50's, she would have been married in her early 20's, would have already had 2 children.
    No transgender fantasies, no emotional disorder. No loneliness and sexual misery.
    She wasn't very pretty, but she would have found someone to match.
    She would have learned to be feminine, she wouldn't have dressed like an antifa moron.

    Replies: @Ebony Obelisk, @Travis, @Jack D, @Yakov Shekelstein, @Dutch Boy, @Anonymous

    “She wasn’t very pretty, but she would have found someone to match.
    She would have learned to be feminine, she wouldn’t have dressed like an antifa moron.”

    You are pointing to one of the greatest lies of our times.
    The truth is that if a woman….
    isn’t outright crazy,
    doesn’t mutilate her body,
    makes a somewhat active effort to be healthy,
    and makes a somewhat active effort to have a positive attitude…
    she will most likely find a guy who feels like meeting her is the best thing ever.

    Actively working at the healthy and positive attitude stuff helps,
    but trusting herself and being herself and making a somewhat positive effort to actually find the guys who might like her helps even more.

    Pretty much the same applies to guys too, in principle, athough it is true that current social norms render some men enemployable (some women too, but less so), and that is a real problem.

    • Agree: Kylie
  229. On topic and hilarious. Shooting a school is beta pathos: an alpha tranny does the absolute minimum to transition, does exactly what a straight man would do, and defies anyone to stop him. It’s all in the testosterone lev– oh, right.
    This spring, Rob Schneider has a lot to learn about being a sorority girl —

    >“Smith” [a.k.a. Langford] is 21 years old, is 6 feet, 2 inches tall and weighs 260 pounds, the document says, adding, “No other member of Kappa Kappa Gamma has comparable size or strength.”

    >Langford is “sexually interested in women,” the lawsuit alleges, adding that “Smith” – Langford – has a profile on Tinder “through which he seeks to meet women.”

    >“Mr. Smith has, while watching members enter the sorority house, had an erection visible through his leggings,” the suit says. “Other times, he has had a pillow in his lap.”

    >The complaint says Langford has “not undergone treatments to create a more feminine appearance.”

    >The complaint also claims Langford took photographs of the women at awkward moments when they were not prepared while at a sorority slumber party.

    >“Smith repeatedly questioned the women about what vaginas look like, breast cup size, whether women were considering breast reductions and birth control,” the complaint alleges.

    >Langford “was supposed” to leave the slumber party by 10 p.m. but did not, saying Smith would leave “after you fall asleep.”

    >At 11:15 p.m., Langford loudly sang, “God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen” from a corner of the room, then did not leave until midnight, the complaint says.

    https://cowboystatedaily.com/2023/03/28/women-sue-university-of-wyoming-sorority-for-accepting-transgender-member/

  230. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @Jack D


    From those lobbying against the release of the manifesto, you can infer that it would not be helpful to the LGBTQ cause.
     
    No kidding, Jack. It's almost as if they ran it by "LGBT groups" and let them to see it before allowing anyone else to see it.

    The 'both sides' shtick is tiresome. "You can infer" that the manifesto will repeat the liberal media consensus about trans people as victims, not of bizarre indulgence and promotion of unhealthy mental conditions but of those who oppose encouraging unhealthy delusion. That Christianity will be maligned and the murders will fit the barest definition of a "hate crime."

    The reason they don't want it made public is not to prevent trans copycats. It is because the manifesto of a trans psychopath will make clear that this maniac took these ideas as her inspiration, and that these ideas are pathological. That the killer did not misunderstand the messaging of the liberal media, but took the messaging to its natural conclusion.

    The Christchurch killer's manifesto was publicized and its contents described immediately, because let's face it, that event was something Globohomo pray will happen every day. It allows them to further consolidate power. They didn't give a second's thought to how 'responsible' it would be to release it- not until they realized the Christchurch murderer had some salient information in there, not stuff that would inspire killing necessarily but certainly counter-narrative in a way they didn't want to discuss.

    Muslim terrorists have manifestos and explicit reasons for their attacks, but these are obscured, not because Globohomo fears copycats ( there are billions of Korans already) but because it makes their insane idea to import millions of Muslims to the West look like the colossal mistake it is. The Jihadis often have some salient critiques of Western foreign policy that Globohomo doesn't want to get into, either.

    I'm going to infer that this school shooting was a "hate crime." A hate crime against Christians, by a victim of trans ideology promoted by Globohomo with the intention to demoralize and destabilize Western families and communities that are the biggest threat to their power. Trans ideology, which works from a premise along the lines that David Berkowitz really was talking to the neighbor's dog, and the dog really was the devil.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    No kidding, Jack. It’s almost as if they ran it by “LGBT groups” and let them to see it before allowing anyone else to see it.

    A Cultural Sensitivity Reader grift for deranged killer manifestos is the ultimate Woke job.

  231. Want to bet that “receiving treatment for an emotional disorder” included taking psych drugs? That is a common factor in just about all of the recent mass shootings, the so-called side effects of mood-altering pharmaceuticals. Big Pharma misrepresents these immensely profitable products as correctives for chemical imbalances in the brain, but more studies are now showing that such conditions have little or no correlation to emotional states or behavior.

    There does seem to be some evidence that the epidemic of depression among the young (for which the most dangerous mood enhancers are prescribed) is due to the rise of social media. As one psychologist put it, being “in the presence of the other person’s absence” in digital conversations confuses the senses and can have severely debilitating long-term effects in young, developing personalities.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @Observator


    That is a common factor in just about all of the recent mass shootings, the so-called side effects of mood-altering pharmaceuticals.
     
    How do you know this? Correlation does not imply causation, although it does suggest checking out what's going on. That troubled people who later shoot others in notorious ways were previously prescribed "mood-altering" drugs may just mean they got the normal level of care but it failed. I don't know, but see this claim as being too facile without some real work being done. Especially since:

    Big Pharma misrepresents these immensely profitable products as correctives for chemical imbalances in the brain, but more studies are now showing that such conditions have little or no correlation to emotional states or behavior.
     
    You could say this in the past tense, but how many of today's "mood-altering" drugs are still on patent? I haven't exhaustively checked this but just dug up a formulary where there are precious few brand name psychoactives and most of them are special cases like extended release and for injection.

    Seeing as how the first of the third generation of anti-depressants "entered medical use in 1986" (Wikipedia on Prozac) it's been way too long for Big Pharma to have wrung out variations on its theme and still have patent protection. Roughly the same for the atypical antipsychotics, although the first one was so dangerous is only got approved in the US under extremely strict rules in 1990. Also see anticonvulsants some of which work as mood stabilizers for bipolar disorders. If you want, I'm "autistic" and this is interesting enough for me to check out the details of,

    One reason is my mother as a nurse resident then Official RN in the 1950s noticed in real time the amazing effects of the first generation of antipsychotics. She described an example of a "hopeless" case in her three months I think it was in a psych ward in general residency later being a productive if menial worker in I think the same hospital. This was astonishing after our inability to do better than than warehouse such people for thousands of years.

    As for the "correctives for chemical imbalances" that's obvious BS, but people want explanations better than "We've empirically discovered that if you poke the brain with a stick ending in just this shape we get therapeutic results." We see second order stuff like all three generations of anti-depressants increasing levels of various neurotransmitters in the brain, but how that translates into mitigating or curing depression is as far as I know entirely unclear. Same for everything else as far as I know except maybe we can infer something from tranquilizers that hit GABA ... except people get tolerant to those quickly, so why one or more are thought to have anticonvulsant effect is again unclear.

    Random studies I have little respect for, except of course if they're indicating over prescription of drugs, for example the psychological side effects of third generation anti-depressants are mild enough I hear primary care physicians routinely prescribe them to people not suffering from clinical depression. In which case they won't help, unhappy != depressed. What I respect most is the experiences of practicing health care workers, plus I've had more than a few friends with bad clinical depression or bipolar disorder greatly helped by these drugs (the latter a very simple lithium salt ... how the hell does that work?!??!!???).

    Replies: @Jack D, @res

  232. @Vinnyvette
    @Travis

    Mentally ill American women aren’t getting laid because they don’t want to put out. There are two types

    A) No man is good enough / hates men

    B) Even a five in makeup thinks she’s entitled to Tom Brady or George Clooney: Tall, ripped, wealthy, famous, GQ cover model looks. He damn well better have all of these traits, because she deserves theee best!

    Men are more than willing to hit it and quit it. But don’t want to stick around. They avoid these women “because” they
    are head cases. Women aren’t head cases because they don’t have access to willing men. All they have to do is swipe right on Tinder and unless they are hideous land whales, can get laid on demand, with average guys, who are still above them in sexual market value, but women all think they are entitled to the top 10 - 20 %. If they can’t have the best they can’t be bothered.

    The ones still putting out are on the C@ck carousel enjoying the ride, until they smack the wall, reality sets in. Then they want some chump to settle down with them.
    Men are on to the game, and it’s rigged in women’s favor.

    Low T is a cope. So is always blaming the men, that’s what women do.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @AnotherDad, @Meretricious

    Men look for a 10. Women look for a 24.

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Rule+of+Sixes

    • Agree: Vinnyvette
  233. @Mr. Anon
    @Corvinus


    Too many people are of the mindset that we do have a nation and are willing to fight for it.
     
    Stupid people, like you.

    Actually, the military is having a hard time recruiting people. A lot of people now see through this sham-empire that the country has become. And there is no "nation" - that is long dead.

    These words have meanings, which you do not know, because you are an idiot.

    Indeed, thought and reasoning is pretty challenging for you.
     
    Said the man who never had a thought that wasn't stuffed into his head by NPR.

    You're a moron.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @Jim Don Bob

    To the point where washouts are reconstituted.

    https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/basic-training-without-yelling-army-040733640.html

    I’m sure everyone here is shocked by the photo showing the type of recruit this policy was enacted for.

  234. @anon
    @Dr. Rock #124

    "Ugly women."


    "There re no ugly women." - Fyodor Karamazov

    According to some DNA study somewhere - maybe isteve? - 80% of the women who've ever lived have descendants living today, while only 40% of the men left descendants. So maybe Karamazov was right. Almost any hag can get laid, especially when she is young and you are drunk. I mean, legend has it that men will even do pigs and sheep on occasion! But when you add the ugly personalities and the various derangement syndromes of the modern female into the mix, even a ten-foot pole isn't long enough.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    quoted here, Roy Beaumeister’s “Is There Anything Good About Men?”

    https://web.archive.org/web/20110107122131/http://denisdutton.com/baumeister.htm

    Consider this question: What percent of our ancestors were women?

    It’s not a trick question, and it’s not 50%. True, about half the people who ever lived were women, but that’s not the question. We’re asking about all the people who ever lived who have a descendant living today. Or, put another way, yes, every baby has both a mother and a father, but some of those parents had multiple children.

    Recent research using DNA analysis answered this question about two years ago. Today’s human population is descended from twice as many women as men.

    I think this difference is the single most underappreciated fact about gender. To get that kind of difference, you had to have something like, throughout the entire history of the human race, maybe 80% of women but only 40% of men reproduced.

    Also, recall the dating website survey where women rated 80% of men as “below average” where men were much more realistic in their grading.

    But drunk is key to mating down for men.

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=beer+goggles

    • Replies: @Anon
    @YetAnotherAnon

    There is literally nothing in that article or anywhere in the scientific literature that says we are decended from more women than men.

    This site just gets cuckier and cuckier by the day.

    Replies: @Brutusale

  235. @Harry Baldwin
    Matthew Yglesias notes how depression is recently worse among teenage girls who see themselves as Democrats and progressives.

    One of the reasons Democrats and Progressives are so depressed is that many of them actually believe global warming is going to end human life on this planet within their lifetime. I can understand someone pretending to believe this for political reasons, i.e., the Obamas with their beachfront properties, but the true believers accept our inevitable doom as a fact. They will state it as the reason they don't want to have children. It's such a stupid reason that I suspect it's just a rationalization that they use to impress their peers.

    I foresee a lot of trouble ahead but it didn't stop me from having children.

    Replies: @Corn, @Stan Adams

    During the Cold War, how many leftists chose not to have children because they believed nuclear war was inevitable? “Reagan’s gonna get us all nuked anyway, so what’s the point?”

    I wonder how many impressionable whites sincerely believe that failing to reproduce is atonement for the grievous sins of racism, colonialism, etc.

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @Stan Adams

    Animals in captivity often struggle to reproduce. Leftists might like your explanation though, with its implication that they "chose" not to reproduce as a rational response to their accurate perception of Reagan's sunny optimism as an existential threat. Not to mention the many, many childless women who've had abortions. Abortion really did a number on the birthrate. Now we need an endless stream of wogs to bolster our demoralized population. Funny how that worked out.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

  236. @Stan Adams
    @Harry Baldwin

    During the Cold War, how many leftists chose not to have children because they believed nuclear war was inevitable? “Reagan’s gonna get us all nuked anyway, so what’s the point?”

    I wonder how many impressionable whites sincerely believe that failing to reproduce is atonement for the grievous sins of racism, colonialism, etc.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Animals in captivity often struggle to reproduce. Leftists might like your explanation though, with its implication that they “chose” not to reproduce as a rational response to their accurate perception of Reagan’s sunny optimism as an existential threat. Not to mention the many, many childless women who’ve had abortions. Abortion really did a number on the birthrate. Now we need an endless stream of wogs to bolster our demoralized population. Funny how that worked out.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Ghost of Bull Moose


    Abortion really did a number on the birthrate. Now we need an endless stream of wogs to bolster our demoralized population. Funny how that worked out.
     
    "Population explosion" and immigration is one those deals that highlights progressive "transition" from the Wasps to the Jews.

    A population stability, protecting the environment were core planks in 20th century Wasp progressivism. (The basic thrust of it: everyone should behave like a middle class Wasp.) (Colorado governor Dick Lamm--anti-population growth, anti-immigration, environmentalist, who tried to turn back the Sierra Club takeover--was a remnant of that old ideology.)

    But "under new management", the same people who would lecture you on wonderfulness of abortion, push female careerism, sexual adventurism and "finding yourself", denigrate normal families and certainly having "more than two" .... also will turn around and give you lectures on how immigration is the best thing ever, "America's secret sauce" and how "we need more people coming in or we'll go extinct". Of course, mathematically those two strands just mean population "replacement"--extinction of existing Americans, national genocide.
  237. @Vinnyvette
    @Travis

    Mentally ill American women aren’t getting laid because they don’t want to put out. There are two types

    A) No man is good enough / hates men

    B) Even a five in makeup thinks she’s entitled to Tom Brady or George Clooney: Tall, ripped, wealthy, famous, GQ cover model looks. He damn well better have all of these traits, because she deserves theee best!

    Men are more than willing to hit it and quit it. But don’t want to stick around. They avoid these women “because” they
    are head cases. Women aren’t head cases because they don’t have access to willing men. All they have to do is swipe right on Tinder and unless they are hideous land whales, can get laid on demand, with average guys, who are still above them in sexual market value, but women all think they are entitled to the top 10 - 20 %. If they can’t have the best they can’t be bothered.

    The ones still putting out are on the C@ck carousel enjoying the ride, until they smack the wall, reality sets in. Then they want some chump to settle down with them.
    Men are on to the game, and it’s rigged in women’s favor.

    Low T is a cope. So is always blaming the men, that’s what women do.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @AnotherDad, @Meretricious

    Women aren’t head cases because they don’t have access to willing men. All they have to do is swipe right on Tinder and unless they are hideous land whales, can get laid on demand, with average guys, who are still above them in sexual market value, but women all think they are entitled to the top 10 – 20 %. If they can’t have the best they can’t be bothered.

    Thanks Vinnyvette.

    I do think women sliding through their 20s unmarried, childless coupled with smart phone/social media is what has sent whiny minoritarian nuttery (“wokeness”) through the roof.

    But I was going to respond yesterday to that particular bit from Travis, exactly as you did. It is easier now for women to get sex than ever before. As you said, if not a physically repulsive land whale, any gal can go on Tinder and swipe up some action in seconds.

    What women can not just flick their fingers and get–as always–is commitment from a man they want. That–for most–requires “work”–behaving like a decent women, who would make a good wife to a good man and a good mother to his children. And requires some *realism* and appreciation for men who are reasonable matches for them. Setting aside perpetual grievance in favor of appreciation of the joy and beauty to be had in life.

    • Thanks: Vinnyvette
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @AnotherDad

    Just being able to get laid doesn't really mean much to women, not least because for most women sex isn't very pleasurable unless their sexual partner knows their body and cares about them coming. So being able to get laid is kinda worthless from a female point of view.

    Not being able to get a commitment is the actual female equivalent. And there have always been and always will be men who can't get laid and women who can't get a commitment. It's just the way life is. But yes, stuff like Tinder exacerbates the situation and is bad for society.

    All that said, the ftm population is specific, even when it comes to getting laid. While it's recently been spreading to a wider swath of the young female population, a lot of the heterosexual ftm population have so far been on the fringe of it: autistic, debilitatingly shy and severely messed up.

    Sure, they could get laid, but many of them would be too awkward and scared to try or to go through with it. And too awkward to have much a social life at all, let alone indulge in any kind of nightlife, where some kind of opportunity might arise. And beyond that, many are simply afraid of dating and sex as a woman. The ubiquity of hardcore porn has been a disaster for this population. Instead, they idolize gay male relationships and think dating and sex will be more pleasant and less frightening as a man.

    Still, none of that seems to be relevant to this case, since it's very unlikely Hale had any interest at all in the heterosexual dating scene. All signs point to her being a lesbian ftm, not a fujoshi one.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  238. @gail
    @Almost Missouri

    That condition of feeling a part of one's body (usually a limb), is alien or invasive, not part of his body is called apotemnophilia.

    I read a few articles years ago about this, and I recall one doctor saying that in all other respects, his patient seemed to be a well-adjusted individual. It would be interesting to know with a much larger sample size if sufferers are indeed well-adjusted.

    After all, it only takes a few thousand cells in the brain to cause some very odd behaviors.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    That condition of feeling a part of one’s body (usually a limb), is alien or invasive, not part of his body is called apotemnophilia.

    Thanks. I knew I had heard of it before under a different name, but “Body Integrity Dysphoria” was what I found with a web search.

    I recall one doctor saying that in all other respects, his patient seemed to be a well-adjusted individual.

    Other than being a rather poor housekeeper and somewhat crotchety, I think the lady I was describing was mostly normal too. She was, however, a concentration camp survivor, so I’m sure there was plenty of past trauma on which anyone could blame current peculiarities. I don’t recall anyone making that particular argument though, perhaps because the mental mechanics of it would have been obscure.

    Anyhow, the arresting thing about it then and now is, how does a professional healer deal with someone who earnestly wants your help in harming herself? Unfortunately, back then cases like hers were rare enough that there apparently wasn’t a professional ethical standard for what to do about them.* Or maybe it is not so unfortunate, since now that there are enough people who want their bodies mutilated, the professional ethical standard is gelling around “let ‘er rip!”.

    If a narcotic addict comes to a doctor and insists she really, really need narcotics, should the doctor provide them? It seems like a “no” to me, but obviously a lot of doctors do it.

    There is usually one side of these ethical quandaries on which the doctor is getting paid, so it seems to me a minimum first step would be that the ethics decision is made by someone without any material stake in the outcome.

    ———

    *As a non-doctor, I would have thought that yer basic Hippocratic Oath (“First Do No Harm”) would have covered it, but apparently doctors are disappointingly subject to a Mephistophelean “Evil be thou my good” workaround.

  239. @duncsbaby
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Lucky you, that the tranny was sashaying 20 yards ahead and taking the heat off yourself. By chance did one of the black guys call out "Old Sport!" as you passed?

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Blacks sense fear, but they also sense confidence. If you hesitate, you’re lost. Think of them like pigeons; if you’re hesitant they won’t move and they’ll see if they can get you to step into the gutter. If you just walk through them like the scavenging pests they are, they’ll flap away and swarm the cat lady feeding them breadcrumbs.

  240. @Harry Baldwin
    @quewin

    It was at a demonstration about violence against women in Buenos Aires, Argentina, in 2017. You can tell it didn't occur in the USA because few of the women are overweight. Some women like having an excuse to take off their clothes, for example the actresses that pose for PETA ads or the throngs who strip for Spencer Tunick's photographs. A guy I know observed, "All women are exhibitionists and all men are voyeurs." Almost true.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    “All women are exhibitionists and all men are voyeurs.”

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Stan Adams

    Lol, Putin gets the hot Slavic exhibitionist "protester", while NASA Boy is stuck with the bestial visual atrocity.

    Some guys have all the luck.

    That galleria b*tch should be prosecuted for assaulting a minor. Her victim may never recover.

  241. @Travis
    @Dragoslav

    even in the sixties the majority of women were married by age 23. While marriage rates fell in the 80s and 90s, young unmarried females during the 1990's typically had a romantic partner. In contrast today 25% of American females under the age of 30 have not gotten laid in the past year. Rates of sexual activity declined with the millennials and has declined even more over the last decade. The lack of pair bonding and lack of romantic partners is one of the factors causing the rise of mental illness among American females. Millennials and Gen Z are getting less sex than their great grandparents. This lack of sexual activity among young females has resulted in increased rates of depression and anxiety. Unfortunately American men no longer have the testosterone levels required to bang below average looking females. Testosterone levels tof wenty year-old men today are lower than 65 year old males from 25 years ago. Thus the lack of pair bonding is a result of declining testosterone levels which makes men less sexually active, thus lowering the ability of females to get laid.

    Replies: @J, @YetAnotherAnon, @Corvinus, @Vinnyvette, @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    The lack of sexual activity among our youth is one cause of the decline in marriage rates and the decline in fertility. Romantic relationships lead to marriage and children. Today’s young Americans under the age 0f 25 are mostly still living home and do not have a romantic partner, thus they are not having sex. this lack of pair bonding has serious consequences for young women. They have a short window to attract a marriage partner. The lack of a romantic partner results in depression, anxiety and loneliness.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco


    The lack of sexual activity among our youth is one cause of the decline in marriage rates and the decline in fertility. Romantic relationships lead to marriage and children.
     
    Sub 2.0 fertility has been the norm in America since the early 1970s, so no.
  242. @Nicholas Stix
    @Almost Missouri


    “As Steve says, what goes unmentioned goes unthought, so the trick needs a name. It’s not quite a ‘bait-and-switch.’ ‘Double game’ is the best I’ve come up with.”
     
    Distortion? Confusion?

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    It is undoubtedly distortion and confusion, but distortion and confusion of particular kind, meant to mislead in a particular way. If there were a handy way to describe it, more would recognize it, and fewer would be misled by it.

  243. @Jack D
    @Almost Missouri

    I think this would be a tough case to make. First of all, anyone receiving this surgery will have signed a bunch of consent forms. 2nd, the doctor will bring in a number of other doctors who are "expert witnesses" to testify that gender affirming care meets the standards of care. They will get the f'ing heads of Harvard Medical School, Johns Hopkins and the Mayo Clinic to all testify in the doctor's favor. Not to mention the Surgeon General her/himself.

    If there was $ to be made with such suits, trust me, there is SOMEONE who would have taken these cases. The guys who do medical malpractice work don't care who they sue as long as there is an insurance policy to go after. You could be doing life saving heart surgery on babies and they would sue you if they thought that they could get a verdict in their favor.

    If you really want to go after this, it's going to have to be legislative because the current medical profession consensus is that this sort of surgery is ethical and proper, regardless of whether you think that it is barbaric, and if you try to go after them the doctors will circle the wagons.

    Replies: @Ian Smith, @Pixo, @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad

    If you really want to go after this, it’s going to have to be legislative because the current medical profession consensus is that this sort of surgery is ethical and proper, regardless of whether you think that it is barbaric, and if you try to go after them the doctors will circle the wagons.

    I certainly agree on working on legislative solutions. This is how things are supposed to work in a republic. Beyond mountains of propaganda, the minoritarians have been successful in pushing their agenda in large part by working around republican government with lawfare and simply dictating to the people–in the process destroying our Constitutional framework.

    However, disagree on what might be possible suing. The trial lawyer parasites have been incredibly successful with absolutely bullshit cases. Ex. some car not being safety engineered as well as it could have been (true of basically 100% of the cars on the road). Or the laughable “tobacco settlement”–nothing more than a giant tobacco tax the people didn’t vote on, with the lawyer parasites raking off billions of the people’s tax money for their “work”. What works is more or less completely up in the air.

    If I was a young tort lawyer, I’d invest some time in this field. Even with the typical “experts say” bullshit–that’s been a cancer upon society for 60 years–there are already peer reviewed studies of this “transitioning” bullshit that essentially find it does not work. On average it actually reduces the weirdos’ happiness. It’s just yet another giant minoritarian whine fest, that a sleazy medical racket has built up around. There will be money–a lot of money–to be made by lawyers down the road suing on behalf of maimed women.

    But in this case, the victims aren’t even people who consented, they a normal people’s children. If this POS was getting “treatment” … put it in front of a jury. Believe it or not lots of normal people do not like being bossed around by minority whiners, they find obnoxious people whining obnoxious. And in many states–no idea about Tennessee–do not require unanimous verdicts in civil cases.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    Anyone can sue anyone for anything but winning is a different issue. Lots and lots of murderous kooks have received "treatment" (not necessarily gender reassignment treatment but all sorts of psychotropic drugs ) and very rarely can you legally pin the damages from the crime on the doctor or pharma co.

    BTW, judging from the fact that a lot of the news sources referred to the shooter as female and used her female name, I'm guessing that she was not very far along in gender reassignment treatment.

    For all of those talking about making this sort of surgery illegal, you should know that there is a type of gender surgery that the LEFT is opposed to and would like to be made illegal. This relates to babies who are born with sexually ambiguous genitalia. This apparently happens more often than you may think - some estimates are over 1% of births. For many decades it's been common to assign such babies a gender at birth (which may or may not match their chromosomes) and trim things up a little bit so that the kid looks like the chosen gender and does not grow up confused about his/her identity. The Left says that these kids should be left alone and allowed to decide their gender later on. What say you, oh great anti-surgery wise men? Is it OK to do this kind of surgery on babies? Let's say that the child is XX and the surgery is to make the child look more anatomically female. Can you do it? After all the child is too young to consent.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @AnotherDad, @Mr. Anon

  244. @YetAnotherAnon
    @anon

    quoted here, Roy Beaumeister's "Is There Anything Good About Men?"

    https://web.archive.org/web/20110107122131/http://denisdutton.com/baumeister.htm


    Consider this question: What percent of our ancestors were women?

    It’s not a trick question, and it’s not 50%. True, about half the people who ever lived were women, but that’s not the question. We’re asking about all the people who ever lived who have a descendant living today. Or, put another way, yes, every baby has both a mother and a father, but some of those parents had multiple children.

    Recent research using DNA analysis answered this question about two years ago. Today’s human population is descended from twice as many women as men.

    I think this difference is the single most underappreciated fact about gender. To get that kind of difference, you had to have something like, throughout the entire history of the human race, maybe 80% of women but only 40% of men reproduced.
     

    Also, recall the dating website survey where women rated 80% of men as "below average" where men were much more realistic in their grading.

    But drunk is key to mating down for men.

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=beer+goggles

    Replies: @Anon

    There is literally nothing in that article or anywhere in the scientific literature that says we are decended from more women than men.

    This site just gets cuckier and cuckier by the day.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Anon

    This should be self-evident to anyone spending any time in the world, but here's the paper for the rest of you.

    https://investigativegenetics.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/2041-2223-5-13

    A more mainstream take.

    https://psmag.com/environment/17-to-1-reproductive-success

  245. Anon[167] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Steve Sailer:

    "My new column in Taki’s Magazine is about how the single data point of the Trans School Shooter exemplifies a medium size trend, the F to M mania, which is the craziest illustration of a large trend: the rise in mental illness among young women."

    The actual *successful* suicide rate among young men is 4.5 X higer than that of young women. But you don't care about them because, as a classic consevative, you base the worth of Human Beings on their biological value, and the value of young men is too low for anyone to care. Or, as you put it in your Twitter account, showing insufferable levels of condescencion and contempt for the value of young males:

    "Young women are the most important people in the World."

    Why? Because they can get pregnant. This unearned accident of biology makes young women super extra special. You see, sperm is too cheap for you to care about the pain and suffering of Human Beings if they happen to be male and young, even if their pain and suffering is such that they have a 450% higher mortality rate from suicide than the gender that you care more about. I guess the comedian, Chris Rock, said it best:

    "What is a man's life worth? When there is a car accident and both a man and a dog get killed, most people feel sorry for the dog."

    And Bomer white men trash like Steve Sailer not only don't care about the horrrific struggles of modern young men, but on top of that dedicates themselves to making the life of young men even more miserable than it already is by hogging all the real estate to artifically inflate prices, running the country into the ground with debt that will have to be paid by the young men, get divorced multiple times so as to hog all the young women for themselves, since a 20 year-old has no chance of competing with a 60 year-old's accumulated wealth and status.

    Thanks, Boomer men. What a *great* generation you are. You lived off your parents' achievements and wealth and contributed nothing to the World. You inherited from your parents the richest Society in the World, and the World's largest creditor nation, and you are leaving to your sons a compl;etely broken Society that went from having 40% of the World's GDP to only 16%, and a National Debt that is actually larger than the entire GDP.

    You treated your sons like shit growing up, while you pampered your daughters and turrned them into a generation of hypergamous, rude, entitled princesses that treat men like shit and expect everything from them without giving anything in return. I mean, what else to expect? You taught them that men must be chivalrous to them, pay all their bills, and that it is the man that has to "earn" her, while she can be fat, rude, entitled and a prima dona and that is ok because she is a superior female.

    Who are you kidding, conservative men? You had every opportunity to oppose feminism. You didn't do it out of *cowardice* .You allowed feminist teachers to tell your sons that every man is a rapist, a murderer and innately evil. You kneew that this was wrong, but you said nothing out of fear of retalation. You exercised your "manliness" by giving your sons the traditional education that is given to boys of daily beatings to "make them men", while spoiling your princesses silly. It's so much easier to beat up a 7 year-old to feel like a man than to go to the school boards and oppose anti-male education, as that is bad PR for you and could cost you friendships and even maybe your job. You prefered, out of cowardice, to turn a blind eye and instead live your fantasy of being a 1950's style macho dad, and that the Society that you were living in the 70's, 80's and 90's was exactly the one of the Eisenhower Administration.

    What really pisses me off is that "male privilge" is a lie. Historically, most men were treated like complete shit. They did the most dangerous jobs, they were *forced* to go to war whether they want to or not(imagine that, the governemnt saying that your body belongs to the State and not to yiou).

    Women have always had exemption from the most dangerous duties just of their superior biological value. They are privileged in courts, get lighter sentences for the same crimes as men. Little gilrs are protected by law from genital mutilation, while boys are not, etc. the privileges never end for females.

    You are born a man, you are going to live 10 years less, nobody will care about your feelings and needs("stop whining!""Be a man!"). Nobody will help you if you are down, while females have an entire network of friends and family to help them, etc. As a boy growing up, all of Society, even your "loving" parents will be much harsher to you to "make you a man". And "make you a man" for what? Oh, that's right: to more effectively serve the needs of the superior female gender. As I see it, a Society that doesn't care about me doesn't deserve that I care about it.

    Also, Sailer's article is just a sexist appeal for a return to the pre-1960's era. In fact, Sailer's entire article can be summarized as follows:

    "Women were much happier when Ike was President, and they were kept barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. A woman can only be happy if she is barefoot and pregnant with her 8th kid in the kitches while cooking her husband a meal."

    It's sad. It's really, really sad. I don't know which is worse, if the anti-male bigotry of liberals, or the chivalrous sexism of conservatives. Regardless, young men lose. No matter what, young men are just disposable cannon fodder for the Society. Even with the Military Draft ended, people still expect a young man to repair the high-voltage cables rather than a young woman. Or to work himself to deat at the asbestos mine. Her life is too precious!

    I really admire the Nordic countries of Europe because they are the only societies in all of Human hisotry that have actually made genuine attempts of equality between the sexes. Interestingly, all the legislation passed in those countries to protect and cherish men came from female Parliament members. So maybe the problem is not women. Myabe the problem is men devaluing other men to make themselves more attractive to women. If you are a 60 year-old Boomer, it makes sense to make the life of a 20 year-old male as miserable as possible and make him as poor and low-status as possible so that you can snag the 18 year-old girl that would be his girlfriend if he actually had a nice life. Men are their worse enemies.

    Replies: @Prester John, @Almost Missouri, @Anon, @Anon

    I think a delusional FtM tranny wrote this post.

    Boomer men were cucked hard by boomer women. Pretty much the entirety of their existence consisted of getting whipped by boomer women and beat up by blacks. They never had a say in anything and commit suicide way more than yiung men do.

  246. Anonymous[351] • Disclaimer says:
    @Almost Missouri

    By the way, the press still can’t agree on the burning question of proper pronouns.
     
    Oddly, they didn't seem to have that problem with the last two FtM mass shooters.

    The CBS story on Maya McKinney ostentatiously parades around he/him pronouns for the murderess, only noting near the end of the story that there might be a little asterisk on all the he-ing and him-ing they've indulged in.

    The putatively rightwing Daily Mail does dare call murderess Snochia Moseley "she" but only by pre-emptively shielding themselves with the invocation:

    At present, it is not known if she did commence hormone therapy, or if Moseley, known to friends as 'Sno', used male or female pronouns.
     
    Whew! Covered all their bases there: physical threshold ("commence hormone therapy") unmet, own pronoun use unclear, ... they even randomly throw in her nickname to make it all seem very collegial and familiar. Stay bold, Daily Mail!

    Maybe the Nashville murderess killing little children rather than teenagers or adults makes her especially egregious, so the press don't want to draw attention to the tranny angle.

    The Daily Mail's Snochia Moseley story did forthrightly cover the fact that in spite of having the highest body count of the three, her fellow blacks were full of sympathy for the killer:

    'I just believe this was emotional distress. If she did this, it was her last straw'
     

    Other friends paid tribute to her on social media, claiming she had been consumed by mental illness and had reached out for help multiple times before shooting at her colleagues.
     

    One friend, who asked to remain anonymous, told the Sun he was at first appalled to hear about the shooting, but immediately felt heartbroken when he discovered who was behind it.

    'It’s catastrophic,' he said. 'She did a terrible thing, but I feel for her.

    'The first thing you think is, "This person is horrible," because you have a bias. But knowing someone, I believe everyone is human. Everyone is going through something.' [emphasis added]

     

    That's intersectionality for you, I guess.

    By contrast, Maya McKinney's intersectionality of mental illness/female/tranny didn't get her much. Life sentence plus 38 years, ... and she got to sit through unusually vituperative vicitm testimony:

    "I'll never forgive you, I hate you." ...

    "My only wish is to see you dead, burning in hell." ...

    "I hope that you suffer." ...

    "You were born a mistake," ...

    "You are such a failure and always will be... you are a waste of tax dollars." ... etc.
     
    Don't get me wrong. I would be at least as vituperative were I in their shoes (and probably even more personal and specific), but the point is that throughout the testimony,

    McKinney was crying the entire time
     
    I guess the testosterone had worn off by then.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Maya/Alec McKinney’s father is a Mexican illegal immigrant and violent criminal. Maybe she’d have fared better if she’d used his last name and emphasized those intersectional points more? Oh well, guess we’ll never know.

  247. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @Stan Adams

    Animals in captivity often struggle to reproduce. Leftists might like your explanation though, with its implication that they "chose" not to reproduce as a rational response to their accurate perception of Reagan's sunny optimism as an existential threat. Not to mention the many, many childless women who've had abortions. Abortion really did a number on the birthrate. Now we need an endless stream of wogs to bolster our demoralized population. Funny how that worked out.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    Abortion really did a number on the birthrate. Now we need an endless stream of wogs to bolster our demoralized population. Funny how that worked out.

    “Population explosion” and immigration is one those deals that highlights progressive “transition” from the Wasps to the Jews.

    A population stability, protecting the environment were core planks in 20th century Wasp progressivism. (The basic thrust of it: everyone should behave like a middle class Wasp.) (Colorado governor Dick Lamm–anti-population growth, anti-immigration, environmentalist, who tried to turn back the Sierra Club takeover–was a remnant of that old ideology.)

    But “under new management”, the same people who would lecture you on wonderfulness of abortion, push female careerism, sexual adventurism and “finding yourself”, denigrate normal families and certainly having “more than two” …. also will turn around and give you lectures on how immigration is the best thing ever, “America’s secret sauce” and how “we need more people coming in or we’ll go extinct”. Of course, mathematically those two strands just mean population “replacement”–extinction of existing Americans, national genocide.

  248. Anonymous[249] • Disclaimer says:
    @jimmyriddle
    Testosterone is a helluva drug.

    Males are evolved to deal with it, somewhat, but it still causes violent behaviour.

    It's not all that surprising that females who start juicing it are going to have episodes of violent rage. You see this in "natural" high-T females - one reason why lesbian couples have the highest prevalence of domestic violence.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    You see this in “natural” high-T females – one reason why lesbian couples have the highest prevalence of domestic violence.

    No. What that research actually measured was people’s lifelong exposure to domestic violence, not their exposure to violence in their current relationship.

    So the finding was not that lesbian relationships are the most violent, but that women in lesbian relationships (only a small minority of whom are gold star lesbians) were the most likely to have gone through domestic violence at some point in their lives.

    The most likely conclusion to be drawn from it is that (bisexual?) women who have had the worst experiences with men in their lives are more likely than other women to give up on men and turn to women.

  249. @J
    @Travis

    Testosterone levels of twenty year-old men today are lower than 65 year old males from 25 years ago. If true, that is alarming. Testosterone should be added to beer or whatever.

    Replies: @possumman

    Maybe just add it to White Claw!

  250. @Vinnyvette
    @Travis

    Mentally ill American women aren’t getting laid because they don’t want to put out. There are two types

    A) No man is good enough / hates men

    B) Even a five in makeup thinks she’s entitled to Tom Brady or George Clooney: Tall, ripped, wealthy, famous, GQ cover model looks. He damn well better have all of these traits, because she deserves theee best!

    Men are more than willing to hit it and quit it. But don’t want to stick around. They avoid these women “because” they
    are head cases. Women aren’t head cases because they don’t have access to willing men. All they have to do is swipe right on Tinder and unless they are hideous land whales, can get laid on demand, with average guys, who are still above them in sexual market value, but women all think they are entitled to the top 10 - 20 %. If they can’t have the best they can’t be bothered.

    The ones still putting out are on the C@ck carousel enjoying the ride, until they smack the wall, reality sets in. Then they want some chump to settle down with them.
    Men are on to the game, and it’s rigged in women’s favor.

    Low T is a cope. So is always blaming the men, that’s what women do.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @AnotherDad, @Meretricious

    George Clooney is not “tall”: he’s 5’11”

    • Troll: Vinnyvette
  251. Anonymous[224] • Disclaimer says:
    @David Davenport
    @MEH 0910

    Nashville school shooting suspect... posted on Facebook about the death of a romantic partner ...

    ... recalled a social media post from the shooter “openly grieving” the unknown individual and said that Hale had announced the bereavement and asked to be addressed as Aiden and by masculine pronouns from then on.


    My suspicion: the romantic partner was another woman, who hooked up with a man and dropped Hale.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    It appears to have been a woman who died in a car crash, a Sydney Sims. IIRC, the article originally heavily hinted in that direction, but then was edited later.

    Maybe out of respect to the Sims family, who might not have known (and might be quite conservative about that sort of thing, since they’re likely Black Baptists or something).

    Or perhaps there was just no way to verify it was actually a romantic relationship and not just Hale having unrequited feelings for a close friend.

  252. @Almost Missouri
    @Spangel226

    https://twitter.com/QuasLacrimas/status/1640784256334016512

    Replies: @Spangel226

    I get the point this tantum character is making, but he is overly enamored with what imagines are the beneficial impact of testosterone. Sudden boost of energy, effectiveness and boldness? Come on. Testosterone isn’t the legendary elixir of valor here. Anyone ever look at some gun slinging hoodlum robbing a convenient store and think- look how effective testosterone made him!? It doesn’t take much of any planning to get a gun and shoot someone up. How much foresight does it look like armed robbers in the hood have? How much planning capacity did Adam Lanza have?

    Im saying that his thesis that ftms do not go mass shooter more often because they lack advanced planing capacity greatly overstates the amount of planning capacity it takes to shoot random people.

  253. @Bill Jones
    @Reg Cæsar


    What medium is it in, that it even can be suppressed?
     
    Mark Warner's got a plan for that.


    The RESTRICT Act, introduced by Sens. Mark Warner (D-VA) and Tom Thune (R-SD), is aimed at blocking or disrupting transactions and financial holdings linked to foreign adversaries that pose a risk to national security, however the language of the bill could be used to give the US government enormous power to punish free speech.
     
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/restrict-act-orwellian-censorship-grab-disguised-anti-tiktok-legislation

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    This new Senate bill really is a major menace and deserves more (and more hostile) treatment than I can give it here.

    It is essentially government treason against Americans.

  254. Anonymous[249] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad
    @Vinnyvette


    Women aren’t head cases because they don’t have access to willing men. All they have to do is swipe right on Tinder and unless they are hideous land whales, can get laid on demand, with average guys, who are still above them in sexual market value, but women all think they are entitled to the top 10 – 20 %. If they can’t have the best they can’t be bothered.
     
    Thanks Vinnyvette.

    I do think women sliding through their 20s unmarried, childless coupled with smart phone/social media is what has sent whiny minoritarian nuttery ("wokeness") through the roof.

    But I was going to respond yesterday to that particular bit from Travis, exactly as you did. It is easier now for women to get sex than ever before. As you said, if not a physically repulsive land whale, any gal can go on Tinder and swipe up some action in seconds.

    What women can not just flick their fingers and get--as always--is commitment from a man they want. That--for most--requires "work"--behaving like a decent women, who would make a good wife to a good man and a good mother to his children. And requires some *realism* and appreciation for men who are reasonable matches for them. Setting aside perpetual grievance in favor of appreciation of the joy and beauty to be had in life.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Just being able to get laid doesn’t really mean much to women, not least because for most women sex isn’t very pleasurable unless their sexual partner knows their body and cares about them coming. So being able to get laid is kinda worthless from a female point of view.

    Not being able to get a commitment is the actual female equivalent. And there have always been and always will be men who can’t get laid and women who can’t get a commitment. It’s just the way life is. But yes, stuff like Tinder exacerbates the situation and is bad for society.

    All that said, the ftm population is specific, even when it comes to getting laid. While it’s recently been spreading to a wider swath of the young female population, a lot of the heterosexual ftm population have so far been on the fringe of it: autistic, debilitatingly shy and severely messed up.

    Sure, they could get laid, but many of them would be too awkward and scared to try or to go through with it. And too awkward to have much a social life at all, let alone indulge in any kind of nightlife, where some kind of opportunity might arise. And beyond that, many are simply afraid of dating and sex as a woman. The ubiquity of hardcore porn has been a disaster for this population. Instead, they idolize gay male relationships and think dating and sex will be more pleasant and less frightening as a man.

    Still, none of that seems to be relevant to this case, since it’s very unlikely Hale had any interest at all in the heterosexual dating scene. All signs point to her being a lesbian ftm, not a fujoshi one.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Anonymous


    The ubiquity of hardcore porn has been a disaster for this population.
     
    Plausible.

    Instead, they idolize gay male relationships and think dating and sex will be more pleasant and less frightening as a man.
     
    How does this work? I haven't seen any hardcore gay pornography, but I assume it is as repellant as hardcore hetero pornography, only more so. Wouldn't that be even more off-putting to the "autistic, debilitatingly shy, awkward and scared" girls? Or are they in some kind of Four Weddings and a Funeral time warp?

    fujoshi
     
    I wish commenters would explain these neologisms. I looked this up and I'm still not sure what it means other than being some weird sub-genre of anime.

    Something about ambiguously gay anime characters, apparently?

    https://memestatic.fjcdn.com/pictures/Fujoshi_29feee_7553250.jpg

    There's "shipping", whatever that means.

    I like to keep up with youth trends, but this may finally be a bridge too far.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  255. @Unintended Consequence
    @Thoughts

    You're obviously a troll. White male is an ambiguous term that encompasses several distinct ethnic groups. For instance, many of the "white" males married to Asians are Jewish. Others are extreme types like Mitch McConnell who may never have even had a date if it weren't for Elaine Chow. I'd think, of the non Jewish white population, more were pairing off with latinas than Asians. The population is still large enough that this mostly goes unnoticed, i.e. "whites" haven't run out of men. My observation is that the pairing off isn't at all random. The average white guy is still marrying the average white gal. Nerdier types are the ones marrying Asians for the most part. It's probably no coincidence that such males don't attract as many of their own females. It might be interesting to predict which personality traits are involved because a mass exodus from a gene pool will leave results. These guys are outliers though so may be their absence won't be so obvious. In other words, we don't want them back because we didn't value these males overmuch to begin with.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Anon, @Captain Tripps

    Expand your thinking. In terms of sexual preference of males by their in-group females and out-group females, its not just A or B, it is also A+B. I had far more intimate female relationships with my in-group ladies; my wife just happens to in an out-group, but has the best qualities of most of the gals in my in-group I experienced before her. Was also intimate with a few gals in out-groups as well. In many ways, who we end up with as our best, ideal partner is simply serendipity. Remember, large scale interaction of the major continental racial groups is a relatively recent thing, even with Europeans and Africans thrown into the mix in the new world. Asians and Europeans in large groups and close proximity is even more recent.

  256. @Inquiring Mind
    @Renard

    um, if a Federal judge who ruled in favor of applying the wrong pronouns to a convict, if that judge were permitted to address a group of students at, say, Stanford Law School?

    That would be a real tragedy

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  257. @Dr. Rock
    Well, if nobody else will do it, I'm going to break the fourth wall on this one-

    Ugly Women.

    For many, many years, whether we like it or not, women are largely graded on their looks- face, eyes, hair, sex appeal, feminine wiles, the booty, the legs, the chest... just statin' the facts here.

    So, part of what social media has really highlighted, and this is astoundingly obvious, is that there are A LOT of really attractive women, in this country, and around the world. But, sadly, there is also a huge number of Plain Janes, and today, a metric shit ton (literally) of fat fuggos!

    Now, much of this has always been the case, but in the former paradigm, even the Plain Janes could marry the average boy next door, and they could have a rich, fulfilling, family life.

    Were there still some that never found a partner? Yes, but if you go back even further, arranged marriages, and that was remedied as well.

    But today, the ugly broads have almost no shot, They can't sell their ass on Instagram, or TikTok, or least of all, OnlyFans. They are fuggos, and theo world has no need for them. They become the unmarried, liberal activist, colored hair cat women, that use society as their pet project, and their misery translates into a life-long aggrieved malcontent.

    They used to just become dykes.

    Now, suddenly, they have another option- transgenderism!

    So, they get that panache, and cache', and it gives the world a way to look past them being an ugly girl; Now they can be an effeminate "boy". What a godsend!

    Of course, this only makes them more miserable, but it takes them a while to figure that out.

    In a way, it's the mirror reflection of the sexless male incels, that no girl or woman has ever had any use for, so they grow-up to be twenty-somethings, virgins, and pissed at the world because they will never bag a chick (when they should just turn to prostitutes or something, maybe imported LBFM's, I dunno).

    The solution, to all of this, is a return to traditionalism, a return to smaller communities, less internet connectedness, and zero social media, teaching every 5 that she will never even be a 6, and instead, in 10 years will be a 2.

    It's hurting males and females to know that there are so many 8, 9, and 10's out there in the world, of both sexes, and that they are NOT one of them, and never will be. Also, they will most likely never even hook-up with one, not even for a single night.

    This school shooter chick fits the profile perfectly. She was never going to be an attractive girl, so she decide to be a fake boy, juice up on big pharma psycho meds, and then, eventually go crazy because she found out that even as a fake boy, the world still has zero use for her, and that LGBTQ+ activism, doesn't keep you warm at night either.

    As I've been saying for many years, a large degree of our societal problems, when totally reduced, come down to the ugly people, and their discontent.

    We've merely intensified their discontent.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Captain Tripps

    I agree with the general point of your comment, I would add that, in addition to those qualities we pick up on from the visual sense as you noted (face, eyes, hair, sex appeal, feminine wiles, the booty, the legs, the chest), we are much more aware/discriminating of other qualities from the other senses, though no doubt our ancestors were (at least among the elite), but it was likely less of a thing then just pairing up for survival/child-bearing and rearing. A gal may have a 6-8 body visually, but close in may have a natural musk that is off-putting to a potential male suitor, at least for long-term relationship/marriage/kids. Or she may have a naturally grating voice (that you would have to accept for long-term). Or maybe chronic halitosis. These same olfactory/aural issues apply to men from women’s perspective as well. Putting next portion below the “MORE tag”.

    [MORE]

    A lot of men and women are increasingly disinterested in close physical intimacy; many young women seem to be consumed by the “ickyness!” factor (“what?!? I may have to swap saliva with my partner??? Eeewww!” Not to mention other, ahem, bodily fluids they come in inadvertent contact with). For young men this is less of an issue, but they also consider these additional “X factors” as well as current society’s emphasis to punish the male through divorce.

  258. @Anon
    @Unintended Consequence

    This post is cope from a white woman. Asian women are the most attractive and desired females, they get the best males. It is mostly successful white gentile men marrying them; not nerds or Jews who "couldn't get a white woman" (hint: white women aren't in high demand and just about anybody can get one).

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Almost Missouri

    Male preference for East Asian women over white women is universal across all age categories and race groups, has a documented history in the West going back over 300 yewrs, and a genetic and historical basis in Central Asia going back over 3000 years. It is rooted in biology and normative male preferences, and will never change.

  259. @AnotherDad
    @Corvinus

    Corny, once again I'm going to try--yes, I know it's hopeless--to improve your reasoning power.

    I'm the "separate nations" guy. I have no problem with other people living in "Weedville" or "Queerville" ... I am just not interested in that. Nor are tens of millions--I'd guess well over 100 million other Americans.

    My "separate nations" is precisely a claim--which happens to be accurate--that under the minoritarian regime we simply no longer have anything that resembles a "nation". When I was a kid America had its own version American version of pretty standard 20th century Western Christian norms. People are broadly more relaxed about a whole bunch of stuff, but those traditional norms are still seen as basically reasonable and certainly behaving in line with them as preferrable, by about half the country. But the other half find those norms illegitimate and are committed to an entirely different project. Which includes imposing their new norms and new project upon traditional Americans.

    Ergo I suggest separation. The simple "we each go our own way" solution. Let communities choose their own norms and people can sort themselves out. (You can still live in Weedville dude and get the weed you need.) There is nothing "fascist" about that (the lamo epithet of out-of-mental-ammo prog.) Rather it is self-government. Federalism or even "hyper federalism". It is allowing people to live in communities with the norms which fits their needs and desires.

    Try "thought" and "reasoning" it's not hard.


    (FYI the single time the voters in California had a say on homosexual "marriage", they voted to ban it. Outside immigration I can't think of anything as "top down" and elite imposed as the homo marriage farce.)

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Corvinus, @Almost Missouri

    There is nothing “fascist” about that (the lamo epithet of out-of-mental-ammo prog.)

    LOL

    [MORE]

  260. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    If you really want to go after this, it’s going to have to be legislative because the current medical profession consensus is that this sort of surgery is ethical and proper, regardless of whether you think that it is barbaric, and if you try to go after them the doctors will circle the wagons.
     
    I certainly agree on working on legislative solutions. This is how things are supposed to work in a republic. Beyond mountains of propaganda, the minoritarians have been successful in pushing their agenda in large part by working around republican government with lawfare and simply dictating to the people--in the process destroying our Constitutional framework.

    However, disagree on what might be possible suing. The trial lawyer parasites have been incredibly successful with absolutely bullshit cases. Ex. some car not being safety engineered as well as it could have been (true of basically 100% of the cars on the road). Or the laughable "tobacco settlement"--nothing more than a giant tobacco tax the people didn't vote on, with the lawyer parasites raking off billions of the people's tax money for their "work". What works is more or less completely up in the air.

    If I was a young tort lawyer, I'd invest some time in this field. Even with the typical "experts say" bullshit--that's been a cancer upon society for 60 years--there are already peer reviewed studies of this "transitioning" bullshit that essentially find it does not work. On average it actually reduces the weirdos' happiness. It's just yet another giant minoritarian whine fest, that a sleazy medical racket has built up around. There will be money--a lot of money--to be made by lawyers down the road suing on behalf of maimed women.

    But in this case, the victims aren't even people who consented, they a normal people's children. If this POS was getting "treatment" ... put it in front of a jury. Believe it or not lots of normal people do not like being bossed around by minority whiners, they find obnoxious people whining obnoxious. And in many states--no idea about Tennessee--do not require unanimous verdicts in civil cases.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Anyone can sue anyone for anything but winning is a different issue. Lots and lots of murderous kooks have received “treatment” (not necessarily gender reassignment treatment but all sorts of psychotropic drugs ) and very rarely can you legally pin the damages from the crime on the doctor or pharma co.

    BTW, judging from the fact that a lot of the news sources referred to the shooter as female and used her female name, I’m guessing that she was not very far along in gender reassignment treatment.

    For all of those talking about making this sort of surgery illegal, you should know that there is a type of gender surgery that the LEFT is opposed to and would like to be made illegal. This relates to babies who are born with sexually ambiguous genitalia. This apparently happens more often than you may think – some estimates are over 1% of births. For many decades it’s been common to assign such babies a gender at birth (which may or may not match their chromosomes) and trim things up a little bit so that the kid looks like the chosen gender and does not grow up confused about his/her identity. The Left says that these kids should be left alone and allowed to decide their gender later on. What say you, oh great anti-surgery wise men? Is it OK to do this kind of surgery on babies? Let’s say that the child is XX and the surgery is to make the child look more anatomically female. Can you do it? After all the child is too young to consent.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D


    The Left says that these kids should be left alone and allowed to decide their gender later on. What say you, oh great anti-surgery wise men? Is it OK to do this kind of surgery on babies?
     
    I oppose permanent tattooing in general, but the Copts' practice of tattooing crosses on their babies' wrists, while cruel, is less so than the alternative. It's all about the neighbors.


    https://www.bibliatodo.com/En/christian-news/files/2017/08/tattoo.jpg

    As far as hermaphroditic neonates, there is always that Hippocratic Oath. Definitely avoid anything that would leave the child sterile. You can't ever get that back.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    Anyone can sue anyone for anything but winning is a different issue.
     
    Agree. But you're acting like there's anything to this "medical consensus" beyond political orthodoxy. Things are so deeply corrupt now with minoritarianism, that this transgender "gender affirming care" thing is a complete joke. Lysenko style political straightjacket. The science for it is nil and the empirical studies tend to show "doesn't help, often makes things worse". If it was a cancer treatment, it would not be approved.

    What wins or doesn't now, this place or that ... who knows. Down the road, as the studies showing zero/negative value roll in ... I think the prospects are quite good for lawsuits.

    ~~~

    The babies thing your talking about is a weird corner case. If you're really talking about stuff that's anywhere near the 1% range you're talking about normal XY and XX who just have some sort incomplete development. The general "do no harm" rule is goodness, but sometimes nature doesn't get it done and helping it along is fine. But the key is working with nature, not against it.

    In the past some docs took XY boys with undescended testes and--very arrogantly--did surgeries to make them look more like girls. That was super arrogant blank slate sort of nonsense--those docs should have been beaten to death--and the results of those were mostly a disaster for the boys subjected to them. What typically happened was at puberty the boys started to feel more and more and more like boys and any "girl" pretense was just impossible. Just "expert" arrogance.

    ~~

    One thing you see again and again and again is these pompous ass "experts" arrogantly spewing nonsense and/or screwing up stuff where any even moderately intelligent person of basic common sense and a decent sense of human limitations can figure out what's reasonable.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Stan Adams

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Jack D

    Your every post Jack is an object lesson in why lawyers shouldn't make the laws.

  261. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @That Would Be Telling

    "Show us on the doll where Big Pharma touched you."

    Is it OK if the spot on the doll is, well, sort of an Israel-shaped spot on a map of the Eastern Med which is clearly labeled, um... "Israel"?

    Do intricate mazes of red arrows connecting back-and-forth banking arrows and zany financial zigs and zags count as "spots"? How about a bought-and-paid-for Congress? Is DC a "spot"?

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    “Show us on the doll where Big Pharma touched you.”

    Is it OK if the spot on the doll is, well, sort of an Israel-shaped spot on a map of the Eastern Med which is clearly labeled, um… “Israel”?

    Can you name any “Big Pharma” companies in Israel? It’s known for manufacturing genetics, see also in your theme the Jewish Canadian generic company head and his wife who were murdered in their home.

    Do intricate mazes of red arrows connecting back-and-forth banking arrows and zany financial zigs and zags count as “spots”? How about a bought-and-paid-for Congress? Is DC a “spot”?

    If this is the best you can do you’ve got nothing for I’m not sure even what your thesis is. Because for example STEM Jews can do good work.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @That Would Be Telling


    Can you name any “Big Pharma” companies in Israel?
     
    Teva is the largest Israeli pharma. co. , specializing in generics. They are something like the #18 largest pharma. co. in the world.
  262. @Anon
    @Anonymous

    Pfft. who were the "macho boomers"? Most of them were a bunch of limp wristed fags.

    The Boomer suicide rate is way higher than the "young male" suicide rate.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    The Boomer suicide rate is way higher than the “young male” suicide rate.

    You mean today? Because the first, cultural cohort of Boomers are nearing their end of life, very much in a different posture than younger males.

  263. @Mr. Anon
    @Corvinus


    Too many people are of the mindset that we do have a nation and are willing to fight for it.
     
    Stupid people, like you.

    Actually, the military is having a hard time recruiting people. A lot of people now see through this sham-empire that the country has become. And there is no "nation" - that is long dead.

    These words have meanings, which you do not know, because you are an idiot.

    Indeed, thought and reasoning is pretty challenging for you.
     
    Said the man who never had a thought that wasn't stuffed into his head by NPR.

    You're a moron.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @Jim Don Bob

    Actually, the military is having a hard time recruiting people.

    Tucker said last night that the military too was having draq queen shows, so maybe that’s a deterrent. No officer is doing that unless he is sure the higher ups are ok with it. Hard to believe.

  264. @That Would Be Telling
    @The Germ Theory of Disease


    “Show us on the doll where Big Pharma touched you.”

    Is it OK if the spot on the doll is, well, sort of an Israel-shaped spot on a map of the Eastern Med which is clearly labeled, um… “Israel”?
     
    Can you name any "Big Pharma" companies in Israel? It's known for manufacturing genetics, see also in your theme the Jewish Canadian generic company head and his wife who were murdered in their home.

    Do intricate mazes of red arrows connecting back-and-forth banking arrows and zany financial zigs and zags count as “spots”? How about a bought-and-paid-for Congress? Is DC a “spot”?
     
    If this is the best you can do you've got nothing for I'm not sure even what your thesis is. Because for example STEM Jews can do good work.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Can you name any “Big Pharma” companies in Israel?

    Teva is the largest Israeli pharma. co. , specializing in generics. They are something like the #18 largest pharma. co. in the world.

  265. As recently as the early 70’s homosexuals, men and women, were listed in the DSM; the diagnostic and statistical manual, used to diagnose mental illness in psychiatry as having a “psychiatric disorder.”
    The gay lobby was able to pressure the editors of the DSM into having homosexuality removed as a psych disorder.
    Now… look what is considered “normal” by comparison.
    These freaks belong in rubber rooms, in straight jackets, with a bottle of Thorazine stuffed down their throats. For their own safety and especially for the safety of the sane.

  266. @Observator
    Want to bet that “receiving treatment for an emotional disorder” included taking psych drugs? That is a common factor in just about all of the recent mass shootings, the so-called side effects of mood-altering pharmaceuticals. Big Pharma misrepresents these immensely profitable products as correctives for chemical imbalances in the brain, but more studies are now showing that such conditions have little or no correlation to emotional states or behavior.

    There does seem to be some evidence that the epidemic of depression among the young (for which the most dangerous mood enhancers are prescribed) is due to the rise of social media. As one psychologist put it, being “in the presence of the other person’s absence” in digital conversations confuses the senses and can have severely debilitating long-term effects in young, developing personalities.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    That is a common factor in just about all of the recent mass shootings, the so-called side effects of mood-altering pharmaceuticals.

    How do you know this? Correlation does not imply causation, although it does suggest checking out what’s going on. That troubled people who later shoot others in notorious ways were previously prescribed “mood-altering” drugs may just mean they got the normal level of care but it failed. I don’t know, but see this claim as being too facile without some real work being done. Especially since:

    Big Pharma misrepresents these immensely profitable products as correctives for chemical imbalances in the brain, but more studies are now showing that such conditions have little or no correlation to emotional states or behavior.

    You could say this in the past tense, but how many of today’s “mood-altering” drugs are still on patent? I haven’t exhaustively checked this but just dug up a formulary where there are precious few brand name psychoactives and most of them are special cases like extended release and for injection.

    Seeing as how the first of the third generation of anti-depressants “entered medical use in 1986” (Wikipedia on Prozac) it’s been way too long for Big Pharma to have wrung out variations on its theme and still have patent protection. Roughly the same for the atypical antipsychotics, although the first one was so dangerous is only got approved in the US under extremely strict rules in 1990. Also see anticonvulsants some of which work as mood stabilizers for bipolar disorders. If you want, I’m “autistic” and this is interesting enough for me to check out the details of,

    One reason is my mother as a nurse resident then Official RN in the 1950s noticed in real time the amazing effects of the first generation of antipsychotics. She described an example of a “hopeless” case in her three months I think it was in a psych ward in general residency later being a productive if menial worker in I think the same hospital. This was astonishing after our inability to do better than than warehouse such people for thousands of years.

    As for the “correctives for chemical imbalances” that’s obvious BS, but people want explanations better than “We’ve empirically discovered that if you poke the brain with a stick ending in just this shape we get therapeutic results.” We see second order stuff like all three generations of anti-depressants increasing levels of various neurotransmitters in the brain, but how that translates into mitigating or curing depression is as far as I know entirely unclear. Same for everything else as far as I know except maybe we can infer something from tranquilizers that hit GABA … except people get tolerant to those quickly, so why one or more are thought to have anticonvulsant effect is again unclear.

    Random studies I have little respect for, except of course if they’re indicating over prescription of drugs, for example the psychological side effects of third generation anti-depressants are mild enough I hear primary care physicians routinely prescribe them to people not suffering from clinical depression. In which case they won’t help, unhappy != depressed. What I respect most is the experiences of practicing health care workers, plus I’ve had more than a few friends with bad clinical depression or bipolar disorder greatly helped by these drugs (the latter a very simple lithium salt … how the hell does that work?!??!!???).

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @That Would Be Telling


    I hear primary care physicians routinely prescribe them to people not suffering from clinical depression.
     
    That's definitely true. I was looking at my 100 (soon to be 101) yr old MIL's meds (mostly heart pills) and I notice that she was getting a low dose of Zoloft despite not being clinically depressed. I guess we could all stand to have our mood lifted a touch. The on label indications for Zoloft extend well beyond depression (anxiety, PTSD, etc.) and off label use is unlimited. And it's generic now, so it's not that the Pfizer salesman has been taking the doctor to lunch.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    , @res
    @That Would Be Telling

    Something for you to consider from 2020.
    Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors and Violent Crime: A Cohort Study
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4570770


    Conclusions
    The association between SSRIs and violent crime convictions and violent crime arrests varied by age group. The increased risk we found in young people needs validation in other studies.
     
    Press release gives a summary.
    https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/685942

    That study was in Sweden. I see one other from 2015 with a shared author. Where is the US research? Wouldn't want to disturb the pharmaceutical companies?
  267. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    Anyone can sue anyone for anything but winning is a different issue. Lots and lots of murderous kooks have received "treatment" (not necessarily gender reassignment treatment but all sorts of psychotropic drugs ) and very rarely can you legally pin the damages from the crime on the doctor or pharma co.

    BTW, judging from the fact that a lot of the news sources referred to the shooter as female and used her female name, I'm guessing that she was not very far along in gender reassignment treatment.

    For all of those talking about making this sort of surgery illegal, you should know that there is a type of gender surgery that the LEFT is opposed to and would like to be made illegal. This relates to babies who are born with sexually ambiguous genitalia. This apparently happens more often than you may think - some estimates are over 1% of births. For many decades it's been common to assign such babies a gender at birth (which may or may not match their chromosomes) and trim things up a little bit so that the kid looks like the chosen gender and does not grow up confused about his/her identity. The Left says that these kids should be left alone and allowed to decide their gender later on. What say you, oh great anti-surgery wise men? Is it OK to do this kind of surgery on babies? Let's say that the child is XX and the surgery is to make the child look more anatomically female. Can you do it? After all the child is too young to consent.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @AnotherDad, @Mr. Anon

    The Left says that these kids should be left alone and allowed to decide their gender later on. What say you, oh great anti-surgery wise men? Is it OK to do this kind of surgery on babies?

    I oppose permanent tattooing in general, but the Copts’ practice of tattooing crosses on their babies’ wrists, while cruel, is less so than the alternative. It’s all about the neighbors.

    As far as hermaphroditic neonates, there is always that Hippocratic Oath. Definitely avoid anything that would leave the child sterile. You can’t ever get that back.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    That's often not an issue. For example, between 95 and 99% of XXY men are infertile to begin with. Sometimes XXY's present as female - obviously they are not going to be fertile either.

    Most if not all hermaphrodites are going to be infertile anyway. The emphasis is on getting them to present in a way that is reasonably consistent with the gender selected by the parents so they are not going to have a hard time in the gym shower room later on and not getting all the bits to work because that was never going to be in the cards to begin with.

  268. We thought we had put an end to the victim classes in the 60’s… radical third wave feminists and the blacks got what they demanded and more. Total equality under the law, equal opportunity in all facets of life and affirmative action “preferences.”
    So the formerly oppressed , went from oppressed to being “privileged classes.”
    What has been the result? More than 50 years later they are all still screaming victimhood.
    The more they get, the more they demand.
    They are still inventing new victim groups from whole cloth to keep the grift going.
    There is no juice left to squeeze. White men have handed over the civilization we built on a silver platter. They demand more!
    When are we going to wake the F up and realize the Neville Chamberlain approach always comes back to bite you in the ass!
    These people need to have the boot put to their necks, figuratively and literally.
    Until we have the courage to do exactly that, nothing will change. STFU doesn’t work when they have the megaphone.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  269. @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D


    The Left says that these kids should be left alone and allowed to decide their gender later on. What say you, oh great anti-surgery wise men? Is it OK to do this kind of surgery on babies?
     
    I oppose permanent tattooing in general, but the Copts' practice of tattooing crosses on their babies' wrists, while cruel, is less so than the alternative. It's all about the neighbors.


    https://www.bibliatodo.com/En/christian-news/files/2017/08/tattoo.jpg

    As far as hermaphroditic neonates, there is always that Hippocratic Oath. Definitely avoid anything that would leave the child sterile. You can't ever get that back.

    Replies: @Jack D

    That’s often not an issue. For example, between 95 and 99% of XXY men are infertile to begin with. Sometimes XXY’s present as female – obviously they are not going to be fertile either.

    Most if not all hermaphrodites are going to be infertile anyway. The emphasis is on getting them to present in a way that is reasonably consistent with the gender selected by the parents so they are not going to have a hard time in the gym shower room later on and not getting all the bits to work because that was never going to be in the cards to begin with.

  270. @That Would Be Telling
    @Observator


    That is a common factor in just about all of the recent mass shootings, the so-called side effects of mood-altering pharmaceuticals.
     
    How do you know this? Correlation does not imply causation, although it does suggest checking out what's going on. That troubled people who later shoot others in notorious ways were previously prescribed "mood-altering" drugs may just mean they got the normal level of care but it failed. I don't know, but see this claim as being too facile without some real work being done. Especially since:

    Big Pharma misrepresents these immensely profitable products as correctives for chemical imbalances in the brain, but more studies are now showing that such conditions have little or no correlation to emotional states or behavior.
     
    You could say this in the past tense, but how many of today's "mood-altering" drugs are still on patent? I haven't exhaustively checked this but just dug up a formulary where there are precious few brand name psychoactives and most of them are special cases like extended release and for injection.

    Seeing as how the first of the third generation of anti-depressants "entered medical use in 1986" (Wikipedia on Prozac) it's been way too long for Big Pharma to have wrung out variations on its theme and still have patent protection. Roughly the same for the atypical antipsychotics, although the first one was so dangerous is only got approved in the US under extremely strict rules in 1990. Also see anticonvulsants some of which work as mood stabilizers for bipolar disorders. If you want, I'm "autistic" and this is interesting enough for me to check out the details of,

    One reason is my mother as a nurse resident then Official RN in the 1950s noticed in real time the amazing effects of the first generation of antipsychotics. She described an example of a "hopeless" case in her three months I think it was in a psych ward in general residency later being a productive if menial worker in I think the same hospital. This was astonishing after our inability to do better than than warehouse such people for thousands of years.

    As for the "correctives for chemical imbalances" that's obvious BS, but people want explanations better than "We've empirically discovered that if you poke the brain with a stick ending in just this shape we get therapeutic results." We see second order stuff like all three generations of anti-depressants increasing levels of various neurotransmitters in the brain, but how that translates into mitigating or curing depression is as far as I know entirely unclear. Same for everything else as far as I know except maybe we can infer something from tranquilizers that hit GABA ... except people get tolerant to those quickly, so why one or more are thought to have anticonvulsant effect is again unclear.

    Random studies I have little respect for, except of course if they're indicating over prescription of drugs, for example the psychological side effects of third generation anti-depressants are mild enough I hear primary care physicians routinely prescribe them to people not suffering from clinical depression. In which case they won't help, unhappy != depressed. What I respect most is the experiences of practicing health care workers, plus I've had more than a few friends with bad clinical depression or bipolar disorder greatly helped by these drugs (the latter a very simple lithium salt ... how the hell does that work?!??!!???).

    Replies: @Jack D, @res

    I hear primary care physicians routinely prescribe them to people not suffering from clinical depression.

    That’s definitely true. I was looking at my 100 (soon to be 101) yr old MIL’s meds (mostly heart pills) and I notice that she was getting a low dose of Zoloft despite not being clinically depressed. I guess we could all stand to have our mood lifted a touch. The on label indications for Zoloft extend well beyond depression (anxiety, PTSD, etc.) and off label use is unlimited. And it’s generic now, so it’s not that the Pfizer salesman has been taking the doctor to lunch.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Jack D

    The girlfriend's 91-year old mother also started on a low-dose antidepressant about 8 months ago. The PCP said he was seeing good results with patients like her for helping with sleep and appetite. She's a hard sell, as she's usually taking her mother off of medications, but she agreed to this one.

    So far, it seems to have done some good.

    Replies: @Jack D

  271. Anon[122] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill Jones
    @Anon

    Christ had his Judas.

    Replies: @Anon

    Judas was a fictional character just like all the other people in the Jesus story.

    The point I’m trying to make is that Christians completely fail to make their ideology attractive to young white people and don’t seem to know or care about said failure. A hundred years from now I don’t think there will be any white Christians outside of the nursing homes. The Amish, maybe.

  272. @Mr. Anon
    @†


    No mo genders been there but masculine, and femynyne, all the remnaunte been no genders but of grace, in facultie of grammer.
     
    That useage itself appears refers to grammar, not people.

    "Gender" was sometimes used as a polite euphemism for "sex" - "sex" being deemed too direct a term in some societies. Although even the squeamish Victorians used "sex" ("the fairer sex").

    "Sex" was used a lot more than "gender" ever was when I was a kid. I don't remember "gender" being commonly used until the late 90s or so. Given the complete muddle that the PoMo left has made out of the term "gender", I see no utility in it anymore.

    Replies: @†

    No mo genders been there but masculine, and femynyne, all the remnaunte been no genders but of grace, in facultie of grammer.

    That [usage] itself appears [to refer] to grammar, not people.

    The dictionary’s quotation is necessarily limited due to space considerations. In context (Thomas Usk’s The Testament of Love, book II, chapter 3), it is more readily identifiable as referring to people.

    “Gender” was sometimes used as a polite euphemism for “sex” – “sex” being deemed too direct a term in some societies. Although even the squeamish Victorians used “sex” (“the fairer sex”).

    Except for the “sexual intercourse” and “genitalia” meanings, there are examples of the other meanings of “sex” going back to the 14th century — including in Victorian times. Phrases like “the fairer sex”, “the weaker sex”, &c. go back to Elizabethan times (16th century).

  273. @Reg Cæsar
    @BenjaminL


    Tiny Duck, is that you?
     
    Where have you been the last 1.5 years? Most of us quickly ascertained that Ebonyonics was just Quacking Like a Duck.

    Replies: @BenjaminL

    I’ll confess that I only am able to read a tiny fraction of the enormous number of comments on here, and these folks somehow didn’t make it into my “Followed Commenters” list, so I must have missed that discussion – thank you for the update.

  274. @Almost Missouri

    the rise in female power and prestige has coincided with the decline of female happiness. A simple explanation is that, on the whole, women don’t like it when the men in their lives act defeated and withdrawn.
     
    Turns out that just inviting them to participate in electoral politics may have been too big an ask.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/06/01/10/40FDB22800000578-4561784-image-a-10_1496310312394.jpg

    Pictured: Post-Sufferagette Democracy

    Replies: @Dumbo, @quewin, @AnotherDad

    the rise in female power and prestige has coincided with the decline of female happiness. A simple explanation is that, on the whole, women don’t like it when the men in their lives act defeated and withdrawn.

    Turns out that just inviting them to participate in electoral politics may have been too big an ask.

    These female “I’m taking off my clothes. Take that patriarchy!” protests are always humorously ironic.

    These women are–supposedly trying to “say something” about “sexism” or their “oppression” or something. Do they cut off the power? No, because well they don’t actually produce power. Do they stop drilling or refining oil or hauling gasoline? Well no, cause they don’t do that either. Do they stop fixing cars or repairing roofs or building houses? No, well cause they don’t do any of that either.

    Taking off their clothes is what they come up with. A “protest” melding of standard issue female exhibitionism and passivity. Pretty much messaging “all we’ve got is sex”.

    And does this display of female “power” make men’s heart’s tremble? Uh no. Mostly it’s a demonstration of just how boring most women–especially these sorts of women–look. With the exceptional young and attractive one, eliciting the standard male “Ok her … yeah.”

    In the end, the message ends up being women–anything interesting about them–is all about sex.

    • Agree: Vinnyvette
    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @AnotherDad


    Pretty much messaging “all we’ve got is sex”.
     
    Yeah, in this case it is really a triple self-indictment since they're signaling

    1) all we've got is sex, (so, by implication, it was a mistake to include us in matters of statecraft),

    2) in the cold grey light of day, the sex we've got is pretty unappealing, so offering any political concession for it is—at best—an overpayment,

    3) unlike electrical workers cutting off the juice, or oil workers cutting off the fuel, or truckers cutting of the transport in order to demonstrate their relevance and political power, we're offering up our dubious charms freely rather than withholding them. We've got the striker's formula backwards.
     

    So they're not only irrelevant and unappealing, they're dumb.

    C'mon ladies, Athenian women had this figured out 2400 years ago!

    Come to think of it though, that was scripted by a man.

  275. #236

    “Also, recall the dating website survey where women rated 80% of men as “below average . . .”

    “A man must be prettier than a gorilla.” – saying among Russian women

  276. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    Anyone can sue anyone for anything but winning is a different issue. Lots and lots of murderous kooks have received "treatment" (not necessarily gender reassignment treatment but all sorts of psychotropic drugs ) and very rarely can you legally pin the damages from the crime on the doctor or pharma co.

    BTW, judging from the fact that a lot of the news sources referred to the shooter as female and used her female name, I'm guessing that she was not very far along in gender reassignment treatment.

    For all of those talking about making this sort of surgery illegal, you should know that there is a type of gender surgery that the LEFT is opposed to and would like to be made illegal. This relates to babies who are born with sexually ambiguous genitalia. This apparently happens more often than you may think - some estimates are over 1% of births. For many decades it's been common to assign such babies a gender at birth (which may or may not match their chromosomes) and trim things up a little bit so that the kid looks like the chosen gender and does not grow up confused about his/her identity. The Left says that these kids should be left alone and allowed to decide their gender later on. What say you, oh great anti-surgery wise men? Is it OK to do this kind of surgery on babies? Let's say that the child is XX and the surgery is to make the child look more anatomically female. Can you do it? After all the child is too young to consent.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @AnotherDad, @Mr. Anon

    Anyone can sue anyone for anything but winning is a different issue.

    Agree. But you’re acting like there’s anything to this “medical consensus” beyond political orthodoxy. Things are so deeply corrupt now with minoritarianism, that this transgender “gender affirming care” thing is a complete joke. Lysenko style political straightjacket. The science for it is nil and the empirical studies tend to show “doesn’t help, often makes things worse”. If it was a cancer treatment, it would not be approved.

    What wins or doesn’t now, this place or that … who knows. Down the road, as the studies showing zero/negative value roll in … I think the prospects are quite good for lawsuits.

    ~~~

    The babies thing your talking about is a weird corner case. If you’re really talking about stuff that’s anywhere near the 1% range you’re talking about normal XY and XX who just have some sort incomplete development. The general “do no harm” rule is goodness, but sometimes nature doesn’t get it done and helping it along is fine. But the key is working with nature, not against it.

    In the past some docs took XY boys with undescended testes and–very arrogantly–did surgeries to make them look more like girls. That was super arrogant blank slate sort of nonsense–those docs should have been beaten to death–and the results of those were mostly a disaster for the boys subjected to them. What typically happened was at puberty the boys started to feel more and more and more like boys and any “girl” pretense was just impossible. Just “expert” arrogance.

    ~~

    One thing you see again and again and again is these pompous ass “experts” arrogantly spewing nonsense and/or screwing up stuff where any even moderately intelligent person of basic common sense and a decent sense of human limitations can figure out what’s reasonable.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    Keynes famously said that markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent. I think the same is true in the pseudoscience market. Look at Freudian psychiatry. It lasted the better part of a century before it fell out of favor and even then more for economic than scientific reasons (ins. cos. did not want to pay for years long analysis).

    Yes, the phenomenon of pompous "experts" confidently giving us completely wrong advice with unwarranted certainty seems to be a growing phenomenon. You have those "studies" that "prove" that not locking up black people reduces crime. A lot of the Covid advice was based on zero science - they just made up shit because they enjoyed the power trip of ordering people around.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @Stan Adams
    @AnotherDad

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer

    tl;dr Botched circumcision destroyed baby boy’s penis; his parents saw a TV interview with a doctor promoting a “theory of gender neutrality”; doctor convinced them to give their kid a sex-change operation; as the kid grew older “she” started to rebel against the “treatment”; doctor tried to cover up the failure of his experiment; by adolescence the boy had abandoned any pretense of living as a female; after multiple suicide attempts, he finally succeeded in blowing his brains out at the age of 38.

  277. #261

    “The on label indications for Zoloft extend well beyond depression (anxiety, PTSD, etc.) and off label use is unlimited.”

    If they ever find out Zoloft cures covid, its off-label use will be limited in a hurry.

  278. The amount of contempt I feel for much of the pro-trans crowd is large and growing.

    There’s a state senator from Kentucky named Karen Berg. She is Jewish (yes, that’s relevant here) and a liberal Democrat. Berg had a “son” – that is to say, a daughter – who identified as transgender who committed suicide back in December. Sen. Berg blamed her daughter’s suicide on society’s intolerance.

    Normally I would give a wide berth to anyone who has lost a child, to suicide or any other cause, but…Berg’s daughter, Henry Berg-Brousseau, was raised in a liberal Jewish household. Her parents’ social clique was almost certainly a whole lot of leftists. If she attended synagogue then she was probably surrounded by a lot of leftists, especially if they were Reform Jews (which they almost certainly were). When she went to college she went off to George Washington University, in one of the most far-left city’s (about 85% voted for Biden) in the nation. After college she stayed in leftwing D.C. to work for the Human Rights Campaign – a workplace where she was literally surrounded all day, every day by other LGBTQ people.

    So Henry Berg-Brousseau had every opportunity to surround herself with tolerant people (for some definitions of the word “tolerance”), and that’s exactly what she did. Yet she still found the need to take her own life supposedly because, according to her mother, she wasn’t accepted as a man.

    But instead of blaming her own failures as a parent, or her daughter’s own mental illness, Karen Berg decides to demonize and vilify the rest of the American people.

    Maybe instead of forcing all the rest of society to accept that a person with two X chromosomes is a man, these people should be teaching people with gender dysphoria to accept themselves, as belonging to the sex that nature made them.

    And as for the notion that high suicide rates imply social intolerance, I’m wondering when the Left is going to decide that belief applies to white men, who, with Native American men, have the highest suicide rates of all.

  279. @Jack D
    @That Would Be Telling


    I hear primary care physicians routinely prescribe them to people not suffering from clinical depression.
     
    That's definitely true. I was looking at my 100 (soon to be 101) yr old MIL's meds (mostly heart pills) and I notice that she was getting a low dose of Zoloft despite not being clinically depressed. I guess we could all stand to have our mood lifted a touch. The on label indications for Zoloft extend well beyond depression (anxiety, PTSD, etc.) and off label use is unlimited. And it's generic now, so it's not that the Pfizer salesman has been taking the doctor to lunch.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    The girlfriend’s 91-year old mother also started on a low-dose antidepressant about 8 months ago. The PCP said he was seeing good results with patients like her for helping with sleep and appetite. She’s a hard sell, as she’s usually taking her mother off of medications, but she agreed to this one.

    So far, it seems to have done some good.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Brutusale

    AFAIK, this lady doesn't really have a problem with sleep or appetite but like I said, we could all probably stand to have our mood lifted a bit, esp. N. Europeans and esp. older people who both tend toward dour (Africans seem naturally jolly). What the harm, esp. when a generic Zoloft is like 30 cents/pill? When you are 90 or 100 you don't really have to worry about long term side effects.

  280. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    Anyone can sue anyone for anything but winning is a different issue.
     
    Agree. But you're acting like there's anything to this "medical consensus" beyond political orthodoxy. Things are so deeply corrupt now with minoritarianism, that this transgender "gender affirming care" thing is a complete joke. Lysenko style political straightjacket. The science for it is nil and the empirical studies tend to show "doesn't help, often makes things worse". If it was a cancer treatment, it would not be approved.

    What wins or doesn't now, this place or that ... who knows. Down the road, as the studies showing zero/negative value roll in ... I think the prospects are quite good for lawsuits.

    ~~~

    The babies thing your talking about is a weird corner case. If you're really talking about stuff that's anywhere near the 1% range you're talking about normal XY and XX who just have some sort incomplete development. The general "do no harm" rule is goodness, but sometimes nature doesn't get it done and helping it along is fine. But the key is working with nature, not against it.

    In the past some docs took XY boys with undescended testes and--very arrogantly--did surgeries to make them look more like girls. That was super arrogant blank slate sort of nonsense--those docs should have been beaten to death--and the results of those were mostly a disaster for the boys subjected to them. What typically happened was at puberty the boys started to feel more and more and more like boys and any "girl" pretense was just impossible. Just "expert" arrogance.

    ~~

    One thing you see again and again and again is these pompous ass "experts" arrogantly spewing nonsense and/or screwing up stuff where any even moderately intelligent person of basic common sense and a decent sense of human limitations can figure out what's reasonable.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Stan Adams

    Keynes famously said that markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent. I think the same is true in the pseudoscience market. Look at Freudian psychiatry. It lasted the better part of a century before it fell out of favor and even then more for economic than scientific reasons (ins. cos. did not want to pay for years long analysis).

    Yes, the phenomenon of pompous “experts” confidently giving us completely wrong advice with unwarranted certainty seems to be a growing phenomenon. You have those “studies” that “prove” that not locking up black people reduces crime. A lot of the Covid advice was based on zero science – they just made up shit because they enjoyed the power trip of ordering people around.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    Look at Freudian psychiatry. It lasted the better part of a century before it fell out of favor and even then more for economic than scientific reasons (ins. cos. did not want to pay for years long analysis).
    ==
    See Paul McHugh on this subject. The heyday of psychoanalysis in the United States was between 1935 to 1975. It began to implode as a clinical practice because controlled studies demonstrated it was ineffective. Note, the attraction of psychoanalysis was because pre-Freudian psychiatrists had so little to offer their patients. The competition to psychoanalysis during the period running from 1937 to 1955 was psychosurgery, about which the best thing you could say was that it wasn't a disaster for every patient subjected to it.
    ==
    Dr. McHugh placed a satisfactory article in First Things about 20 years ago on the structural problem psychiatry faces as a subdiscipline - how it differs from every other medical specialty and how retarded has been its development. It merits a read.

  281. @Brutusale
    @Jack D

    The girlfriend's 91-year old mother also started on a low-dose antidepressant about 8 months ago. The PCP said he was seeing good results with patients like her for helping with sleep and appetite. She's a hard sell, as she's usually taking her mother off of medications, but she agreed to this one.

    So far, it seems to have done some good.

    Replies: @Jack D

    AFAIK, this lady doesn’t really have a problem with sleep or appetite but like I said, we could all probably stand to have our mood lifted a bit, esp. N. Europeans and esp. older people who both tend toward dour (Africans seem naturally jolly). What the harm, esp. when a generic Zoloft is like 30 cents/pill? When you are 90 or 100 you don’t really have to worry about long term side effects.

  282. @Dr. Rock
    @Almost Missouri

    Yep, it's the same thing they do with "gun deaths" and "gun violence".

    We all know the demos that drive the numbers, because we've looked into it, or seen them here, but for the common dolt, all they hear are the outrageous statistics, and think "Gee, that's just terrible, we should do something".

    If you remove black violence, our country is one of the safest on the planet, and our cities would have extremely low rates of violence.

    Hence, black violence drives the statistics, and then they use those stats to attack lawful, usually white, gun owners, as if THEY are causing those sky high numbers.

    It's a con, just like everything.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @another fred

    And also remove the suicides. Suicide is tragic (usually), but it does not tear at the fabric of society the way random violence does. And there are also the ones who “needed killin’”.

  283. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    Anyone can sue anyone for anything but winning is a different issue.
     
    Agree. But you're acting like there's anything to this "medical consensus" beyond political orthodoxy. Things are so deeply corrupt now with minoritarianism, that this transgender "gender affirming care" thing is a complete joke. Lysenko style political straightjacket. The science for it is nil and the empirical studies tend to show "doesn't help, often makes things worse". If it was a cancer treatment, it would not be approved.

    What wins or doesn't now, this place or that ... who knows. Down the road, as the studies showing zero/negative value roll in ... I think the prospects are quite good for lawsuits.

    ~~~

    The babies thing your talking about is a weird corner case. If you're really talking about stuff that's anywhere near the 1% range you're talking about normal XY and XX who just have some sort incomplete development. The general "do no harm" rule is goodness, but sometimes nature doesn't get it done and helping it along is fine. But the key is working with nature, not against it.

    In the past some docs took XY boys with undescended testes and--very arrogantly--did surgeries to make them look more like girls. That was super arrogant blank slate sort of nonsense--those docs should have been beaten to death--and the results of those were mostly a disaster for the boys subjected to them. What typically happened was at puberty the boys started to feel more and more and more like boys and any "girl" pretense was just impossible. Just "expert" arrogance.

    ~~

    One thing you see again and again and again is these pompous ass "experts" arrogantly spewing nonsense and/or screwing up stuff where any even moderately intelligent person of basic common sense and a decent sense of human limitations can figure out what's reasonable.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Stan Adams

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer

    tl;dr Botched circumcision destroyed baby boy’s penis; his parents saw a TV interview with a doctor promoting a “theory of gender neutrality”; doctor convinced them to give their kid a sex-change operation; as the kid grew older “she” started to rebel against the “treatment”; doctor tried to cover up the failure of his experiment; by adolescence the boy had abandoned any pretense of living as a female; after multiple suicide attempts, he finally succeeded in blowing his brains out at the age of 38.

  284. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    Keynes famously said that markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent. I think the same is true in the pseudoscience market. Look at Freudian psychiatry. It lasted the better part of a century before it fell out of favor and even then more for economic than scientific reasons (ins. cos. did not want to pay for years long analysis).

    Yes, the phenomenon of pompous "experts" confidently giving us completely wrong advice with unwarranted certainty seems to be a growing phenomenon. You have those "studies" that "prove" that not locking up black people reduces crime. A lot of the Covid advice was based on zero science - they just made up shit because they enjoyed the power trip of ordering people around.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Look at Freudian psychiatry. It lasted the better part of a century before it fell out of favor and even then more for economic than scientific reasons (ins. cos. did not want to pay for years long analysis).
    ==
    See Paul McHugh on this subject. The heyday of psychoanalysis in the United States was between 1935 to 1975. It began to implode as a clinical practice because controlled studies demonstrated it was ineffective. Note, the attraction of psychoanalysis was because pre-Freudian psychiatrists had so little to offer their patients. The competition to psychoanalysis during the period running from 1937 to 1955 was psychosurgery, about which the best thing you could say was that it wasn’t a disaster for every patient subjected to it.
    ==
    Dr. McHugh placed a satisfactory article in First Things about 20 years ago on the structural problem psychiatry faces as a subdiscipline – how it differs from every other medical specialty and how retarded has been its development. It merits a read.

  285. @Jim Don Bob
    @J.Ross


    The Uvalde shooter had a downright impossible setup estimated by experts to have cost twelve thousand dollars...
     
    Please explain this and tell us if his armament made the Uvalde cops hesitant to confront him. Thanks

    Replies: @J.Ross

    He had multiple top shelf highly accurate highly expensive rifles plus accessories like optics. High end firearms can easily add up to tens of thousands (a basic, uncustomized Sig deer hunting rifle is ~$4,000 before you attach an optic). You get what you pay for. Yes it absolutely had an effect, consider that he killed a huge number of kids in a very short time, and the Nashville shooter killed very few in about fifteen minutes.
    NPR, lying as always, called it a $3k AR-15. That’s way off. There’s a video with some senior NCOs actually going through what he had and discussing market rate, they got to over ten thousand. Kid had no money whatsoever and his stepdad had forbidden him from having guns.
    Re police, radio host and former SWAT cop Brandon Tatum scored an early coup in his year-old career when he was the only guy defending the Uvalde police response. Look into him if you want more details, he has actually spoken to several of the officers and done a very thorough going over. The most relevant thing here though is, the killing in Uvalde was largely over when the police arrived. Also the Uvalde shooter attacked police and it doesn’t look like the Nashville shooter did.

    • Thanks: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @J.Ross


    the killing in Uvalde was largely over when the police arrived. Also the Uvalde shooter attacked police and it doesn’t look like the Nashville shooter did.
     
    Thanks. From my own cursory perusal of the footage, that was the impression I had: the massacre ended, some time elapsed, the police showed up, there was a barricaded shooter situation.

    I do sometimes like defending unpopular cases for the sport of it, but in this case I wondered if Uvalde police weren't genuinely getting a bum rap.

    Did anyone actually die because of Uvalde's police's "slow" response? Not that I've heard of. And given the social media shellacking they've been getting, someone would have brought it up if there were such a victim.

    One could argue that the cops couldn't have known for sure that there were no live hostages, so they should have taken the risk to finish off the shooter ASAP, irrespective. And maybe there's something to that. But who do you volunteer to be the first through the door of the barricaded and prepared shooter's redoubt?

  286. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    Anyone can sue anyone for anything but winning is a different issue. Lots and lots of murderous kooks have received "treatment" (not necessarily gender reassignment treatment but all sorts of psychotropic drugs ) and very rarely can you legally pin the damages from the crime on the doctor or pharma co.

    BTW, judging from the fact that a lot of the news sources referred to the shooter as female and used her female name, I'm guessing that she was not very far along in gender reassignment treatment.

    For all of those talking about making this sort of surgery illegal, you should know that there is a type of gender surgery that the LEFT is opposed to and would like to be made illegal. This relates to babies who are born with sexually ambiguous genitalia. This apparently happens more often than you may think - some estimates are over 1% of births. For many decades it's been common to assign such babies a gender at birth (which may or may not match their chromosomes) and trim things up a little bit so that the kid looks like the chosen gender and does not grow up confused about his/her identity. The Left says that these kids should be left alone and allowed to decide their gender later on. What say you, oh great anti-surgery wise men? Is it OK to do this kind of surgery on babies? Let's say that the child is XX and the surgery is to make the child look more anatomically female. Can you do it? After all the child is too young to consent.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @AnotherDad, @Mr. Anon

    Your every post Jack is an object lesson in why lawyers shouldn’t make the laws.

  287. @J.Ross
    @Jim Don Bob

    He had multiple top shelf highly accurate highly expensive rifles plus accessories like optics. High end firearms can easily add up to tens of thousands (a basic, uncustomized Sig deer hunting rifle is ~$4,000 before you attach an optic). You get what you pay for. Yes it absolutely had an effect, consider that he killed a huge number of kids in a very short time, and the Nashville shooter killed very few in about fifteen minutes.
    NPR, lying as always, called it a $3k AR-15. That's way off. There's a video with some senior NCOs actually going through what he had and discussing market rate, they got to over ten thousand. Kid had no money whatsoever and his stepdad had forbidden him from having guns.
    Re police, radio host and former SWAT cop Brandon Tatum scored an early coup in his year-old career when he was the only guy defending the Uvalde police response. Look into him if you want more details, he has actually spoken to several of the officers and done a very thorough going over. The most relevant thing here though is, the killing in Uvalde was largely over when the police arrived. Also the Uvalde shooter attacked police and it doesn't look like the Nashville shooter did.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    the killing in Uvalde was largely over when the police arrived. Also the Uvalde shooter attacked police and it doesn’t look like the Nashville shooter did.

    Thanks. From my own cursory perusal of the footage, that was the impression I had: the massacre ended, some time elapsed, the police showed up, there was a barricaded shooter situation.

    I do sometimes like defending unpopular cases for the sport of it, but in this case I wondered if Uvalde police weren’t genuinely getting a bum rap.

    Did anyone actually die because of Uvalde’s police’s “slow” response? Not that I’ve heard of. And given the social media shellacking they’ve been getting, someone would have brought it up if there were such a victim.

    One could argue that the cops couldn’t have known for sure that there were no live hostages, so they should have taken the risk to finish off the shooter ASAP, irrespective. And maybe there’s something to that. But who do you volunteer to be the first through the door of the barricaded and prepared shooter’s redoubt?

  288. @AnotherDad
    @Almost Missouri



    the rise in female power and prestige has coincided with the decline of female happiness. A simple explanation is that, on the whole, women don’t like it when the men in their lives act defeated and withdrawn.
     
    Turns out that just inviting them to participate in electoral politics may have been too big an ask.
     
    These female "I'm taking off my clothes. Take that patriarchy!" protests are always humorously ironic.

    These women are--supposedly trying to "say something" about "sexism" or their "oppression" or something. Do they cut off the power? No, because well they don't actually produce power. Do they stop drilling or refining oil or hauling gasoline? Well no, cause they don't do that either. Do they stop fixing cars or repairing roofs or building houses? No, well cause they don't do any of that either.

    Taking off their clothes is what they come up with. A "protest" melding of standard issue female exhibitionism and passivity. Pretty much messaging "all we've got is sex".

    And does this display of female "power" make men's heart's tremble? Uh no. Mostly it's a demonstration of just how boring most women--especially these sorts of women--look. With the exceptional young and attractive one, eliciting the standard male "Ok her ... yeah."

    In the end, the message ends up being women--anything interesting about them--is all about sex.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Pretty much messaging “all we’ve got is sex”.

    Yeah, in this case it is really a triple self-indictment since they’re signaling

    1) all we’ve got is sex, (so, by implication, it was a mistake to include us in matters of statecraft),

    2) in the cold grey light of day, the sex we’ve got is pretty unappealing, so offering any political concession for it is—at best—an overpayment,

    3) unlike electrical workers cutting off the juice, or oil workers cutting off the fuel, or truckers cutting of the transport in order to demonstrate their relevance and political power, we’re offering up our dubious charms freely rather than withholding them. We’ve got the striker’s formula backwards.

    So they’re not only irrelevant and unappealing, they’re dumb.

    C’mon ladies, Athenian women had this figured out 2400 years ago!

    Come to think of it though, that was scripted by a man.

  289. @Anonymous
    @AnotherDad

    Just being able to get laid doesn't really mean much to women, not least because for most women sex isn't very pleasurable unless their sexual partner knows their body and cares about them coming. So being able to get laid is kinda worthless from a female point of view.

    Not being able to get a commitment is the actual female equivalent. And there have always been and always will be men who can't get laid and women who can't get a commitment. It's just the way life is. But yes, stuff like Tinder exacerbates the situation and is bad for society.

    All that said, the ftm population is specific, even when it comes to getting laid. While it's recently been spreading to a wider swath of the young female population, a lot of the heterosexual ftm population have so far been on the fringe of it: autistic, debilitatingly shy and severely messed up.

    Sure, they could get laid, but many of them would be too awkward and scared to try or to go through with it. And too awkward to have much a social life at all, let alone indulge in any kind of nightlife, where some kind of opportunity might arise. And beyond that, many are simply afraid of dating and sex as a woman. The ubiquity of hardcore porn has been a disaster for this population. Instead, they idolize gay male relationships and think dating and sex will be more pleasant and less frightening as a man.

    Still, none of that seems to be relevant to this case, since it's very unlikely Hale had any interest at all in the heterosexual dating scene. All signs point to her being a lesbian ftm, not a fujoshi one.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    The ubiquity of hardcore porn has been a disaster for this population.

    Plausible.

    Instead, they idolize gay male relationships and think dating and sex will be more pleasant and less frightening as a man.

    How does this work? I haven’t seen any hardcore gay pornography, but I assume it is as repellant as hardcore hetero pornography, only more so. Wouldn’t that be even more off-putting to the “autistic, debilitatingly shy, awkward and scared” girls? Or are they in some kind of Four Weddings and a Funeral time warp?

    fujoshi

    I wish commenters would explain these neologisms. I looked this up and I’m still not sure what it means other than being some weird sub-genre of anime.

    [MORE]

    Something about ambiguously gay anime characters, apparently?

    There’s “shipping”, whatever that means.

    I like to keep up with youth trends, but this may finally be a bridge too far.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Almost Missouri


    I wish commenters would explain these neologisms. I looked this up and I’m still not sure what it means other than being some weird sub-genre of anime.
     
    It just means women who are really into gay male content. It originally described a phenomenon in Japanese culture, but it's long been widely used in reference to Western fans and Western content as well. Some of them are obsessive about it, to the point of harassing actors and creators.

    How does this work? I haven’t seen any hardcore gay pornography, but I assume it is as repellant as hardcore hetero pornography, only more so. Wouldn’t that be even more off-putting to the “autistic, debilitatingly shy, awkward and scared” girls? Or are they in some kind of Four Weddings and a Funeral time warp?
     
    In the vast, vast majority of hardcore content, there is only one type of role and one set of expectations for a woman. They might feel being a man would give them more freedom and options to choose what to engage in. Also, a woman is pretty much helpless once alone with a man, should he decide to abuse her in some way. Imagining themselves as men would make them feel more secure and confident and the prospect of being alone and vulnerable with a man less frightening.

    Even beyond that, I don't think these girls get most of their exposure to (or develop their obsession with) gay content from gay hardcore porn. Written erotica is women's preferred form of porn. Ship fanfic is a huge part of that, and it's predominantly gay male themed. I remember articles being written about the phenomenon years ago, and it was already like that.

    But at the time, the women involved seemed to skew somewhat older (late 20s, 30s) and I think a lot more of them would've had normal lives, even families. I'm sure some would have been losers or even dysfunctional, but on the whole they seemed to be regarded simply as women with a somewhat embarrassing but harmless hobby. At some point the stereotype of the average consumer of that content morphed into the image you posted. Young girls who are dysfunctional in their real life (to the extent they even have one), are hiding from reality, and want to become the characters. Basically, the gay men they obsess over and idolize are gay men as characterized in romantic fiction written by other women.

    Replies: @Brutusale

  290. @Stan Adams
    @Harry Baldwin


    “All women are exhibitionists and all men are voyeurs.”
     


    https://i.ibb.co/G2H9f1b/9-A4-B226-C-F8-F9-4-A04-8-B65-3-EEEA36204-DB.jpg

    https://i.servimg.com/u/f33/18/88/87/60/naked_10.jpg

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Lol, Putin gets the hot Slavic exhibitionist “protester”, while NASA Boy is stuck with the bestial visual atrocity.

    Some guys have all the luck.

    That galleria b*tch should be prosecuted for assaulting a minor. Her victim may never recover.

  291. @Ebony Obelisk
    @AceDeuce

    Is that a threat?

    Replies: @Rocko

    You’re the threat. You’re better off getting sent to Liberia so you’re can enslave your own Tiny Duckie

  292. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @Almost Missouri
    @Anonymous


    The ubiquity of hardcore porn has been a disaster for this population.
     
    Plausible.

    Instead, they idolize gay male relationships and think dating and sex will be more pleasant and less frightening as a man.
     
    How does this work? I haven't seen any hardcore gay pornography, but I assume it is as repellant as hardcore hetero pornography, only more so. Wouldn't that be even more off-putting to the "autistic, debilitatingly shy, awkward and scared" girls? Or are they in some kind of Four Weddings and a Funeral time warp?

    fujoshi
     
    I wish commenters would explain these neologisms. I looked this up and I'm still not sure what it means other than being some weird sub-genre of anime.

    Something about ambiguously gay anime characters, apparently?

    https://memestatic.fjcdn.com/pictures/Fujoshi_29feee_7553250.jpg

    There's "shipping", whatever that means.

    I like to keep up with youth trends, but this may finally be a bridge too far.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I wish commenters would explain these neologisms. I looked this up and I’m still not sure what it means other than being some weird sub-genre of anime.

    It just means women who are really into gay male content. It originally described a phenomenon in Japanese culture, but it’s long been widely used in reference to Western fans and Western content as well. Some of them are obsessive about it, to the point of harassing actors and creators.

    How does this work? I haven’t seen any hardcore gay pornography, but I assume it is as repellant as hardcore hetero pornography, only more so. Wouldn’t that be even more off-putting to the “autistic, debilitatingly shy, awkward and scared” girls? Or are they in some kind of Four Weddings and a Funeral time warp?

    In the vast, vast majority of hardcore content, there is only one type of role and one set of expectations for a woman. They might feel being a man would give them more freedom and options to choose what to engage in. Also, a woman is pretty much helpless once alone with a man, should he decide to abuse her in some way. Imagining themselves as men would make them feel more secure and confident and the prospect of being alone and vulnerable with a man less frightening.

    Even beyond that, I don’t think these girls get most of their exposure to (or develop their obsession with) gay content from gay hardcore porn. Written erotica is women’s preferred form of porn. Ship fanfic is a huge part of that, and it’s predominantly gay male themed. I remember articles being written about the phenomenon years ago, and it was already like that.

    But at the time, the women involved seemed to skew somewhat older (late 20s, 30s) and I think a lot more of them would’ve had normal lives, even families. I’m sure some would have been losers or even dysfunctional, but on the whole they seemed to be regarded simply as women with a somewhat embarrassing but harmless hobby. At some point the stereotype of the average consumer of that content morphed into the image you posted. Young girls who are dysfunctional in their real life (to the extent they even have one), are hiding from reality, and want to become the characters. Basically, the gay men they obsess over and idolize are gay men as characterized in romantic fiction written by other women.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Anonymous

    I had to sit through 80 For Brady with the girl and her mother. The Jane Fonda character was a popular writer of Gronk porn, er, fan fiction!

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/health/jane-fonda-on-that-gronk-scene-in-80-for-brady/vi-AA17fN0v

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcKqBZ7S0tg

    I despise everything Jane Fonda stands for, but she's had the Rolls Royce of body work done on her to look like she does at her age.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  293. @Dumbo
    @Dream

    Ridiculous. There were Mexican cops in Nashville too, including Collazo which is a Latino name. The only difference is that the Nashville hoax was slightly better organized, but not by much.

    Replies: @DCThrowback

    Whenever I hear the shooter was “in therapy”, I immediately think three letter agencies and the use of SSRIs (or worse). So either hoax or time bomb, you choose.

  294. Anon[207] • Disclaimer says:
    @Almost Missouri
    @Anon

    Dude, get a commenting handle already.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/where-are-the-white-women-at/#comment-5649313

    Replies: @Anon

    Male preference for East Asian women over white women is universal across all age categories and race groups, has a documented history in the West going back over 300 yewrs, and a genetic and historical basis in Central Asia going back over 3000 years. It is rooted in biology and normative male preferences, and will never change.

  295. @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco
    @Travis

    The lack of sexual activity among our youth is one cause of the decline in marriage rates and the decline in fertility. Romantic relationships lead to marriage and children. Today’s young Americans under the age 0f 25 are mostly still living home and do not have a romantic partner, thus they are not having sex. this lack of pair bonding has serious consequences for young women. They have a short window to attract a marriage partner. The lack of a romantic partner results in depression, anxiety and loneliness.

    Replies: @Anon

    The lack of sexual activity among our youth is one cause of the decline in marriage rates and the decline in fertility. Romantic relationships lead to marriage and children.

    Sub 2.0 fertility has been the norm in America since the early 1970s, so no.

  296. @Anon
    @YetAnotherAnon

    There is literally nothing in that article or anywhere in the scientific literature that says we are decended from more women than men.

    This site just gets cuckier and cuckier by the day.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    This should be self-evident to anyone spending any time in the world, but here’s the paper for the rest of you.

    https://investigativegenetics.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/2041-2223-5-13

    A more mainstream take.

    https://psmag.com/environment/17-to-1-reproductive-success

  297. @Anonymous
    @Almost Missouri


    I wish commenters would explain these neologisms. I looked this up and I’m still not sure what it means other than being some weird sub-genre of anime.
     
    It just means women who are really into gay male content. It originally described a phenomenon in Japanese culture, but it's long been widely used in reference to Western fans and Western content as well. Some of them are obsessive about it, to the point of harassing actors and creators.

    How does this work? I haven’t seen any hardcore gay pornography, but I assume it is as repellant as hardcore hetero pornography, only more so. Wouldn’t that be even more off-putting to the “autistic, debilitatingly shy, awkward and scared” girls? Or are they in some kind of Four Weddings and a Funeral time warp?
     
    In the vast, vast majority of hardcore content, there is only one type of role and one set of expectations for a woman. They might feel being a man would give them more freedom and options to choose what to engage in. Also, a woman is pretty much helpless once alone with a man, should he decide to abuse her in some way. Imagining themselves as men would make them feel more secure and confident and the prospect of being alone and vulnerable with a man less frightening.

    Even beyond that, I don't think these girls get most of their exposure to (or develop their obsession with) gay content from gay hardcore porn. Written erotica is women's preferred form of porn. Ship fanfic is a huge part of that, and it's predominantly gay male themed. I remember articles being written about the phenomenon years ago, and it was already like that.

    But at the time, the women involved seemed to skew somewhat older (late 20s, 30s) and I think a lot more of them would've had normal lives, even families. I'm sure some would have been losers or even dysfunctional, but on the whole they seemed to be regarded simply as women with a somewhat embarrassing but harmless hobby. At some point the stereotype of the average consumer of that content morphed into the image you posted. Young girls who are dysfunctional in their real life (to the extent they even have one), are hiding from reality, and want to become the characters. Basically, the gay men they obsess over and idolize are gay men as characterized in romantic fiction written by other women.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    I had to sit through 80 For Brady with the girl and her mother. The Jane Fonda character was a popular writer of Gronk porn, er, fan fiction!

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/health/jane-fonda-on-that-gronk-scene-in-80-for-brady/vi-AA17fN0v

    I despise everything Jane Fonda stands for, but she’s had the Rolls Royce of body work done on her to look like she does at her age.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Brutusale

    She looks like she hired more of a craftsman than did Joan Rivers.
    ==
    The real phenom is William Shatner. Either he hired the best or he has a portrait in his attic aging for him.

    Replies: @res

  298. @Jack D
    @Ian Smith

    Are they war criminals too?

    Replies: @Ian Smith

    Yes.

  299. @Brutusale
    @Anonymous

    I had to sit through 80 For Brady with the girl and her mother. The Jane Fonda character was a popular writer of Gronk porn, er, fan fiction!

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/health/jane-fonda-on-that-gronk-scene-in-80-for-brady/vi-AA17fN0v

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcKqBZ7S0tg

    I despise everything Jane Fonda stands for, but she's had the Rolls Royce of body work done on her to look like she does at her age.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    She looks like she hired more of a craftsman than did Joan Rivers.
    ==
    The real phenom is William Shatner. Either he hired the best or he has a portrait in his attic aging for him.

    • Replies: @res
    @Art Deco

    A web search for William Shatner Dorian Gray was fun. The thought has occurred to him.



    https://twitter.com/WilliamShatner/status/1354262279697608705

    https://www.reddit.com/r/WilliamShatner/comments/1lojy7/mr_shatner_why_dont_you_age/

    Also
    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2021/jun/23/senior-moment-review-william-shatner


    Everything in this film, in fact, is beside the point, save for the fact that it stars the genetic miracle of the modern age, the all-time winner of the Dorian Gray award for looking younger than your age, more impressive even than Paul Rudd … the legendary William Shatner.
     
  300. res says:
    @That Would Be Telling
    @Observator


    That is a common factor in just about all of the recent mass shootings, the so-called side effects of mood-altering pharmaceuticals.
     
    How do you know this? Correlation does not imply causation, although it does suggest checking out what's going on. That troubled people who later shoot others in notorious ways were previously prescribed "mood-altering" drugs may just mean they got the normal level of care but it failed. I don't know, but see this claim as being too facile without some real work being done. Especially since:

    Big Pharma misrepresents these immensely profitable products as correctives for chemical imbalances in the brain, but more studies are now showing that such conditions have little or no correlation to emotional states or behavior.
     
    You could say this in the past tense, but how many of today's "mood-altering" drugs are still on patent? I haven't exhaustively checked this but just dug up a formulary where there are precious few brand name psychoactives and most of them are special cases like extended release and for injection.

    Seeing as how the first of the third generation of anti-depressants "entered medical use in 1986" (Wikipedia on Prozac) it's been way too long for Big Pharma to have wrung out variations on its theme and still have patent protection. Roughly the same for the atypical antipsychotics, although the first one was so dangerous is only got approved in the US under extremely strict rules in 1990. Also see anticonvulsants some of which work as mood stabilizers for bipolar disorders. If you want, I'm "autistic" and this is interesting enough for me to check out the details of,

    One reason is my mother as a nurse resident then Official RN in the 1950s noticed in real time the amazing effects of the first generation of antipsychotics. She described an example of a "hopeless" case in her three months I think it was in a psych ward in general residency later being a productive if menial worker in I think the same hospital. This was astonishing after our inability to do better than than warehouse such people for thousands of years.

    As for the "correctives for chemical imbalances" that's obvious BS, but people want explanations better than "We've empirically discovered that if you poke the brain with a stick ending in just this shape we get therapeutic results." We see second order stuff like all three generations of anti-depressants increasing levels of various neurotransmitters in the brain, but how that translates into mitigating or curing depression is as far as I know entirely unclear. Same for everything else as far as I know except maybe we can infer something from tranquilizers that hit GABA ... except people get tolerant to those quickly, so why one or more are thought to have anticonvulsant effect is again unclear.

    Random studies I have little respect for, except of course if they're indicating over prescription of drugs, for example the psychological side effects of third generation anti-depressants are mild enough I hear primary care physicians routinely prescribe them to people not suffering from clinical depression. In which case they won't help, unhappy != depressed. What I respect most is the experiences of practicing health care workers, plus I've had more than a few friends with bad clinical depression or bipolar disorder greatly helped by these drugs (the latter a very simple lithium salt ... how the hell does that work?!??!!???).

    Replies: @Jack D, @res

    Something for you to consider from 2020.
    Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors and Violent Crime: A Cohort Study
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4570770

    Conclusions
    The association between SSRIs and violent crime convictions and violent crime arrests varied by age group. The increased risk we found in young people needs validation in other studies.

    Press release gives a summary.
    https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/685942

    That study was in Sweden. I see one other from 2015 with a shared author. Where is the US research? Wouldn’t want to disturb the pharmaceutical companies?

  301. res says:
    @Art Deco
    @Brutusale

    She looks like she hired more of a craftsman than did Joan Rivers.
    ==
    The real phenom is William Shatner. Either he hired the best or he has a portrait in his attic aging for him.

    Replies: @res

    A web search for William Shatner Dorian Gray was fun. The thought has occurred to him.

    [MORE]

    Mr. Shatner, Why don't you age?
    byu/AH_BLUEFACE inWilliamShatner

    Also
    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2021/jun/23/senior-moment-review-william-shatner

    Everything in this film, in fact, is beside the point, save for the fact that it stars the genetic miracle of the modern age, the all-time winner of the Dorian Gray award for looking younger than your age, more impressive even than Paul Rudd … the legendary William Shatner.

  302. @Ebony Obelisk
    @Dragoslav

    He 50s were a hellhole for anyone not a white male christian

    Don’t you fools understand that your fake racist bigoted mysoginistic white breads World is what caused this mess?

    This tragedy wouldn’t have happened if bigots like you had not made the persons life a living hell

    We the People are getting tired of bigotry so expect more lashing out. It’s unfortunate but if you keep poking the bear dont be surprised when things like this happen

    Replies: @Dr. X, @AceDeuce, @Reg Cæsar, @BenjaminL, @TWS

    Perhaps you could give the shuck and jive a rest when kids are killed?

    Minstrel shows are all well and good in a Blazing Saddles sort of way but are inappropriate here.

    Your larping has a time and place. Don’t over-commit to the gag.

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