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Bari Weiss is much in the news for having resigned as an op-ed editor of the New York Times to promote free speech. Here’s her resignation letter.

Here’s my favorite Bari Weiss tweet, in which the lesbian warrioress against Cancel Culture and for Israel takes a stand in favor of Blot Out Culture:

As I wrote in 2019:

While Ms. Weiss’ obsession with smiting the Old Testament Amalekites and those she deems their descendants might seem eccentric, her general thrust is simply giving voice to the true progressive spirit of 2019: People I hate today are the vile heirs to the evil people my ancestors hated long ago and they deserve to pay for their race’s sins and privileges.

And then there’s this tweet:

I’m not exactly sure what Ms. Weiss is implying by her response to the Ambassador’s admirable sentiment, but if I were Steve Bannon, well, I wouldn’t drink from a glass from her hand.

 
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  1. I realize you lack sympathy, but it would be charitable to at least link to Bari’s resignation letter. I agree with Aaron Gross that it might be the best thing she’s ever written.

    • LOL: 3g4me
    • Replies: @Nodwink
    @IHTG

    I have a soft spot for Aaron, he was always tolerant of my most bombastic opinions. One of the fairest people on the internet, probably. A rare breed.

    , @Escher
    @IHTG

    https://thebrag.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/ouroboros.jpg

    Says it all.

    , @Jane Plain
    @IHTG

    Who is Aaron Gross?

    I wish Bari would name names. She refers to people who wrote some very nasty shit about her in the Slack chats. Who? Whom?

    , @Barnard
    @IHTG

    A very low bar, but true. One thing she did reinforce is that these newsroom idiots spend all their time on social media. It completely reinforced the argument Ben Rhodes made at the end of the Obama Administration that the average reporter doesn't know anything and is easily manipulated. If a news organization wanted to improve the quality of their reporting, they would ban their reporters from having social media accounts.

    , @J1234
    @IHTG

    I see her letter in a generally positive light, not as something that's "hypocritical and hilarious," as the intense left puts it. The fact that they would describe it that way is enough to keep me from following the same path.

    It's amazing how "right wing" Bari Weiss has become in the last 24 hours, according to standardized journalism. A couple of years ago, she could publicly describe herself as a liberal to people like Bill Mahr, and neither he or anyone else would bat an eye. Now she's an enemy of the people, so things have changed.

  2. • Replies: @El Dato
    @Cortes

    Excellent!


    They struck them down until not one of them was left alive.
     
    Lack of strategy and awareness of who is your opponent sucks. People will remember you as Greatest Suckers On Earth and just laugh.

    2012 US Palestinian Community Network: Granting No Quarter: A Call for the Disavowal of the Racism and Antisemitism of Gilad Atzmon

    Replies: @Cortes

  3. Bari Weiss was never that bright and obviously had connections to get that job. She was on Joe Rogan and didn’t even have basic information about the world. It was shocking.

    While she came off as likable in a cute sort of way, she seemed borderline ditzy.

    They don’t make Ashkenazim like they used to. Relax! I kid! I kid!

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @RichardTaylor

    Joe Rogan sat there transfixed, letting this public self-destruction of Bari Weiss just roll on and on...

    But her IDW-article was quite something - not lest the portrait-photos - and a triumph for Eric Weinstein.

    Replies: @anon, @New Dealer, @Pop Warner

    , @Bumpkin
    @RichardTaylor

    That's not the half of it, this dumb bitch is the epitome of jewish privilege, promoted way over her head to the NYT editorial page only because she's a huge supporter of Israel.

    While I normally detest the lefties she's probably fighting with, I will hand it to them that they've always known the score on Israel and applaud them for finding a way to get her to let herself out.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @RichardTaylor


    She was on Joe Rogan and didn’t even have basic information about the world. It was shocking.
     
    Meh. World Shmorld. She knows about the important country. And she's not soft on the Amalekites. We really need a final solution solution of that problem, by the way.
    , @Cortes
    @RichardTaylor

    What if was just an act? See the miracle of Ernest Saunders, released from prison due to Alzheimer’s:


    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/comment/jeremy-warner/jeremy-warner-ronson-ndash-ernests-alzheimers-was-my-idea-1698217.html

    Consider also the mumbling, bumbling Robert Mueller show.

    Ms Weiss maybe just played her Sgt Schultz (I know nussink!) card.

    , @Nicholas Stix
    @RichardTaylor

    We live in the time of the Stupid Jew Apocalypse!

    , @Skylark Thibedeau
    @RichardTaylor

    Not even as funny as Mrs Maisel but just as clueless. Let's call her Midge.

    , @Pheasant
    @RichardTaylor

    'Bari Weiss was never that bright and obviously had connections to get that job. '

    There goes that ashkenazi high iq/ meritocracy goyim.


    Lol

  4. • Replies: @Sean
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Giraldi opined ' Donald J. Trump has delivered on his promise to be the “best friend in Washington that Israel has ever had”‘, but an article that appeared last Thursday in the Jerusalem Post still had the power to make me spill my cup of coffee in disbelief. The headline read “Friedman: Second Trump term could take U.S.-Israel ties to next level.”

    What Trump would do in his second term, and after COVID-19 people are starting to agree with him, is divest America from its reliance on China. But that close China-America relationship is vital to Wall Street reaping vast profits they are counting on, so they are going to stop Trump being re-elected. Maxwell is an important part of their strategy, which is working. China and Wall Street will win, and the Israel Lobby is helpless to prevent it.

    Wall Street is largely Jewish, but so many issues come down to arguments between Jews. Of course the Wall Street Jews wand to pretend Bannon (like Trump the greatest friend Israel has ever had) is bad for Jews rather than bad for Jewish Wall Street financiers who have bet the farm on Chinese growth.

    https://youtu.be/qH5QzuzD01A?t=647

    Bari Weiss is pro Israel, and that means she is pro Trump. The innuendo about Epstein and Russia will become overwhelming in the media. Trump is “one lonely guy” against the Deep State and Wall Street elites because the Democrats have become the party of big business, and that means they are doing China’s work. You have the entire establishment on one side and on the other the Israel Lobby.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

    , @Prof. Woland
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Steve Bannon is like Prometheus. He stole fire. In effect, by developing alternative new outlets and technologies, the populace can now bypass the media severely eroding its power. This is not popular with a particular (((tribe))) that monopolized the media and resents and fears losing it's grip.

    Bannon's crime is that he was the face of that movement. His high profile role in Breitbart and support of Trump personalized these inevitable changes that are occurring. Heretofore, most of these changes were furthered by anonymous or obscure personalities that were bringing change one minor development at a a time but now this was attached to a person who needed to be destroyed for his crime, and what better way than to call him a .... RACIST.

    Replies: @Prof. Woland, @Nicholas Stix

    , @Mr. Anon
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Reading the replies to that headline, from Julia Ioffe, Jonathan Greenblatt (of the ADL) and others was interesting: disgusting, poor taste, offensive, etc. But what they were really saying was: "Dude, don't be so obvious!"

  5. Ain’t it just like the night??

  6. anon[213] • Disclaimer says:

    From her letter:

    Part of me wishes I could say that my experience was unique. But the truth is that intellectual curiosity—let alone risk-taking—is now a liability at The Times. Why edit something challenging to our readers, or write something bold only to go through the numbing process of making it ideologically kosher

    “Ideologically kosher” is an interesting choice of words to describe the constraints upon what we’re allowed to say, and who people have to appease in order to get a career in journalism. I agree with it, of course, but it’s funny how she gets about 90% of the way to a realization, but then stops just short.

    But the lessons that ought to have followed the election—lessons about the importance of understanding other Americans, the necessity of resisting tribalism

    Yes, if there’s one thing Bari Weiss can’t stand, it’s putting loyalty to a Tribe above all else. I’ve noticed that in her writings.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @anon


    Yes, if there’s one thing Bari Weiss can’t stand, it’s putting loyalty to a Tribe above all else.
     
    Really?
    , @Bugg
    @anon

    This is the liberal secular justice-seeking Jews (as they view themselves) are beginning to see they have lost control of their Frankenstein monsters. There isn't anything in New York City that's more Jewish than the Times. And instead even with the Sulzburgers in ownership that is being taken from them. Being a SJW is no longer enough to cover your lack of dark skin. Jews have long assumed they had a pass , and that's no longer the case. They are viewed by Antifa and BLAM as owners of white privilege.

    As an outer borough Irish kid, couldn't happen to a nastier bunch of folks. The Jews have looked down at everyone else forever and assumed somehow they were an integral part of this insane nonsense they helped foster. No pass for you.

    , @HammerJack
    @anon

    See Jody Rosen in the LA Times. We must replace the National Anthem with Bill Withers' "Lean On Me" -- Rosen says that the "Star-Spangled Banner" is way too Anglo. And naturally Anglo is about the same as Nazi.

    https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/music/story/2020-07-14/national-anthem-star-spangled-banner-lean-on-me

    Replies: @anonymous

  7. So now she has time to destroy Amalekites and “lie with a woman like a man”?

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
    @Redneck farmer


    lie with a woman like a man
     
    Lesbians must be more inventive than I thought

    Replies: @Redneck farmer

    , @Kolya Krassotkin
    @Redneck farmer

    When you're incurably neurotic, your best friend today will be Amalek tomorrow.

    (I wonder: when King Herod murdered his wife and son and others he suspected of treachery, did he imagine they'd become Amalek?)

    Replies: @kaganovitch

  8. Out of curiosity, has the percentage of Jewish writers been dropping at the NY Times recently? Has the Times been conducting a quiet purge of Jewish writers in favor of real POCs? Or is it younger Jews trying to give older Jews the heave-ho at the Times?

    Btw, Andrew Sullivan just quit the New York Magazine.

    • Replies: @Old and Grumpy
    @Anon

    The rats are running for cover now that their black pets are sorta, kinda of turning on them. The horrors of it all is they probably now feel they might have the need to have their white goys come to their defense.

    , @Anon
    @Anon

    Zionists are dropping like flies from the left because The New Left has turned against Israel. So now they're recasting themselves as "center-left" or "center-right" claiming to be for free speech and against "cancel culture", yet have no problem censuring those against their support for Israel or endless immigration agenda as "white supremacist". Now they've corrupted both the left and the right. Both sides are now all for LGBTQ, endless immigration, endless foreign intervention on behalf of the Military Banking Complex.

    With "conservatives" like Ben Shapiro, David Brooks, Bret Stephens, Max Boot, Bill Kristol, Jared Kushner, Jonah Goldberg, David French, John Roberts, Neil Gorsuch, Breitbart, National Review, who needs liberals? What exactly are they trying to conserve(other than Jew power)? Controlled opposition through and through.

  9. Ms. Weiss was most eloquent as she mounted the scaffold.

    • Replies: @Eagle Eye
    @The Alarmist

    "Nothing in her job became her like the leaving it."

    , @Kratoklastes
    @The Alarmist


    Ms. Weiss was most eloquent as she mounted the scaffold continued the strategy of positioning herself as a victim of 'cancel culture' in order to be a 'thought leader' in 'anti-cancel' so that she's part of the people who determine what can't be said.
     
    FIFY.
  10. Steve Bannon might experience what happened to Eve Presser. Bari Weiss is not that settled. Might well be a reason, she speaks so tough (she ain’t that tough – if she was, she’d still be with the NYT, I’d guess) … Now I think of Sigmund from

    The days of old, in the days of gold,
    How oft-times I repine
    For the days of old when we dug up the gold
    In the days of ’49.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/03/opinion/bari-weiss-eve-peyser-friendship.html?rref=collection%2Fbyline%2Fbari-weiss

  11. anon[524] • Disclaimer says:

    This shabbat is called the sabbath of remembrance, in which Jews are asked to remember–and to blot out–the nation of Amalek, infamous for murdering the weakest, most defenseless Israelites.

    According to Wikipedia:

    Although Egyptian and Assyrian monumental inscriptions and records of the period survive which list various tribes and peoples of the area, no reference has ever been found to Amalek or the Amalekites. Therefore, the archaeologist and historian Hugo Winckler suggested in 1895 that there were never any such people and the Biblical stories concerning them are entirely mythological and ahistorical.[19] While considerable knowledge about nomadic Arabs has been recovered through archeological research, no specific artifacts or sites have been linked to Amalek with any certainty.

    I think it’s fun to ponder how different life would be if the kind of people who would make up a story like this weren’t in charge of so much stuff. I’ve always thought of that with relation to the story of Jacob and Esau as well.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @anon

    You don't just walk into Amalekite Territory

    https://i.postimg.cc/T1ykXdNr/you-don-t-just-walk-into-amalekite-territory.jpg

    "Sauron" also sounds a bit like "Bannon". Coincidence? I'm not sure!

    , @Thomas
    @anon


    I think it’s fun to ponder how different life would be if the kind of people who would make up a story like this weren’t in charge of so much stuff.
     
    Now if you get to pondering whether the making stuff up, or at least exaggerating, about past atrocities and blood enemies might be a trait that continued into more recent times, such as within the past century or so... you really might be cooking with gas, as they say.

    Replies: @anon, @ThreeCranes

    , @International Jew
    @anon

    As if the foundational myths of the Greeks and Romans are any truer.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @anon, @anon

    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    @anon


    I’ve always thought of that with relation to the story of Jacob and Esau as well.
     
    Quite a bit OT but...

    Anyone who's thought about it much, realizes that the OT is full of stories where the younger son usurps or is superior to the older, e.g., Seth and Cain, Japheth and Ham, Ishmael and Isaac, Joseph and his brothers, Ephraim and Manasseh, Judah and his brothers, Moses and Aaron, Adonijah and his three older brothers, Solomon and Adonijah.

    The OT explains away these inversions of the usual, natural order with various narrative complications but there's a much simpler, singular explanation. The OT was written by Judean scribes, returned to their native land by Cyrus, after their forced exile in Babylon. The archaeological record is clear that their Judea was a backward, second rate place compared with its older, northern rival Israel.

    The Judean scribes and redactors of the OT seem to smart under the sense of inferiority this creates. The Judean propaganda of the OT, particularly Chronicles and Kings, tries to reverse the reality by painting the earlier kingdom of Israel as being the lesser in every way. The Jewish dynasty, which archaeological and other records suggest was the most successful of all the verifiable Jewish dynasties, the Omrid rulers of Israel, come in for particular obloquy, precisely because they so successfully ruled the older, northern kingdom.

    The reversal of importance of older and younger brothers is just one further way of hammering home the propaganda point that younger, apparently less important Judah is the true heir of the Jewish covenant with their god versus the older, once far more important kingdom of Israel.

    Replies: @Ian M.

    , @Pop Warner
    @anon

    The people we call jews are the actual children of Esau and Amalek. During the Babylonian captivity the land of Judah was settled by Edomites (descended from Esau) and as Judeans re-exerted control of their little sphere they had the Edomites forcibly converted to Judaism. Even the famous Herod the Great was an Edomite through his mother (how do jews track lineage, again?).

    If Ashkenazim really are descended from Hebrews/Judeans (I have my doubts) that means Bari Weiss and the rest of her tribe are Amalek's descendants.

    , @Stogumber
    @anon

    As far as I know, the story of Esther and Haman is an invention, too. (Haman was said to be an offspring of the Amalekites.)
    Now it is quite nice to learn that some genocides did never happen. On the other hand: which kind of imagination must people have for to invent such stories of genocides?

  12. @RichardTaylor
    Bari Weiss was never that bright and obviously had connections to get that job. She was on Joe Rogan and didn't even have basic information about the world. It was shocking.

    While she came off as likable in a cute sort of way, she seemed borderline ditzy.

    They don't make Ashkenazim like they used to. Relax! I kid! I kid!

    Replies: @Dieter Kief, @Bumpkin, @Hypnotoad666, @Cortes, @Nicholas Stix, @Skylark Thibedeau, @Pheasant

    Joe Rogan sat there transfixed, letting this public self-destruction of Bari Weiss just roll on and on…

    But her IDW-article was quite something – not lest the portrait-photos – and a triumph for Eric Weinstein.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Dieter Kief

    But her IDW-article was quite something – not lest the portrait-photos – and a triumph for Eric Weinstein.

    That would be the Eric Weinstein who considers blacks to be "superachievers", wouldn't it?

    https://mobile.twitter.com/EricRWeinstein/status/1282449094716223489


    Cards on the table: I‘m in awe of Black *achievement* and am shocked by desires to tell others like us that we‘re all fine because we are pink and may finally have 2 sheckles to rub together. Our two communities don’t belong in the oppression Olympics. We‘re both superachievers.
     
    I guess as long as he's triumphant, everything is OK.

    Incidentally, my other favorite line from that kvetch-thread is this: "Grandfather Schmelik escaped execution by spooking a Cossack’s horse.".

    No, Eric. No he didn't. I believe that he told you that, and that you believed him. But you see, (and I hate to have to be the one to explain this to you) sometimes Grandfathers tell little boys stories of exciting, highly entertaining events that are not, strictly speaking, true. I would imagine that this phenomenon is even more prominent in communities that revere people such as Elie Wiesel, who once won a Nobel Peace Prize for doing so. But I couldn't say for certain.

    Replies: @Altai, @Dieter Kief

    , @New Dealer
    @Dieter Kief

    Reposting:


    https://youtu.be/jS-sxJFn6O0

    Replies: @anon, @Dieter Kief

    , @Pop Warner
    @Dieter Kief

    Naturally she loves the IDW because in reality it's the Kosher Dark Web: all of their opinions (and most of their members) are certified kosher. It's being propped out as a dissident group even though none of their ideas actually challenge the status quo and are only considered out of the mainstream because the mainstream has lurched so far in one direction.

    The truth is that they're gatekeepers, playing their part as the most "extreme" opinions in the public discourse while they do the same work of censoring and smearing anybody to their right. Small wonder they're filled with or endorsed by neocons, they served the same function in purging all non-kosher beliefs from mainstream conservatism. And as always, the censorship they decry is just dandy when it's enforced against people beyond the gate ("don't censor us, censor those evil nazis instead we're the good guys too!") Just like with the neocons, it's as good as controlled opposition giving people the illusion of choice.

    In her interview with Joe Rogan, Bari Weiss went on about Zionism and her Jewish identity but spared no words when attacking whites who act in their interest and called the demographic replacement of whites in their home countries a "conspiracy theory." She's just as monstrous as those who ran her out of the Sulzberger Times, the only difference is her blood libel isn't quite extreme enough.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

  13. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/jdforward/status/898950202672861184

    Replies: @Sean, @Prof. Woland, @Mr. Anon

    Giraldi opined ‘ Donald J. Trump has delivered on his promise to be the “best friend in Washington that Israel has ever had”‘, but an article that appeared last Thursday in the Jerusalem Post still had the power to make me spill my cup of coffee in disbelief. The headline read “Friedman: Second Trump term could take U.S.-Israel ties to next level.”

    What Trump would do in his second term, and after COVID-19 people are starting to agree with him, is divest America from its reliance on China. But that close China-America relationship is vital to Wall Street reaping vast profits they are counting on, so they are going to stop Trump being re-elected. Maxwell is an important part of their strategy, which is working. China and Wall Street will win, and the Israel Lobby is helpless to prevent it.

    Wall Street is largely Jewish, but so many issues come down to arguments between Jews. Of course the Wall Street Jews wand to pretend Bannon (like Trump the greatest friend Israel has ever had) is bad for Jews rather than bad for Jewish Wall Street financiers who have bet the farm on Chinese growth.

    Bari Weiss is pro Israel, and that means she is pro Trump. The innuendo about Epstein and Russia will become overwhelming in the media. Trump is “one lonely guy” against the Deep State and Wall Street elites because the Democrats have become the party of big business, and that means they are doing China’s work. You have the entire establishment on one side and on the other the Israel Lobby.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    @Sean

    Trump talks big but he has consistently rolled over whenever Xi applies real pressure. Trump has notieceably said very little about Hong Kong. His kids have a lot of money at stake as well, Ivanka and Jared are working overtime to make sure the rhetoric doesn't turn into reality. If Trump wins re-election expect an immediate pivot to Trump preserving peace in our time and working on a global initiative hand-in-hand with the PRC to fight the virus and save the economy. All the Kung Flu talk will go down the memory hole.

    Replies: @Sean

  14. @Cortes
    The horror! The horror!

    http://www.thebricktestament.com/joshua/twenty-four_cities_massacred/jos11_01.html

    Replies: @El Dato

    Excellent!

    They struck them down until not one of them was left alive.

    Lack of strategy and awareness of who is your opponent sucks. People will remember you as Greatest Suckers On Earth and just laugh.

    2012 US Palestinian Community Network: Granting No Quarter: A Call for the Disavowal of the Racism and Antisemitism of Gilad Atzmon

    • Replies: @Cortes
    @El Dato

    That chapter concludes

    http://www.thebricktestament.com/joshua/twenty-four_cities_massacred/jos11_14.jpg

  15. anon[524] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dieter Kief
    @RichardTaylor

    Joe Rogan sat there transfixed, letting this public self-destruction of Bari Weiss just roll on and on...

    But her IDW-article was quite something - not lest the portrait-photos - and a triumph for Eric Weinstein.

    Replies: @anon, @New Dealer, @Pop Warner

    But her IDW-article was quite something – not lest the portrait-photos – and a triumph for Eric Weinstein.

    That would be the Eric Weinstein who considers blacks to be “superachievers”, wouldn’t it?

    https://mobile.twitter.com/EricRWeinstein/status/1282449094716223489

    Cards on the table: I‘m in awe of Black *achievement* and am shocked by desires to tell others like us that we‘re all fine because we are pink and may finally have 2 sheckles to rub together. Our two communities don’t belong in the oppression Olympics. We‘re both superachievers.

    I guess as long as he’s triumphant, everything is OK.

    Incidentally, my other favorite line from that kvetch-thread is this: “Grandfather Schmelik escaped execution by spooking a Cossack’s horse.”.

    No, Eric. No he didn’t. I believe that he told you that, and that you believed him. But you see, (and I hate to have to be the one to explain this to you) sometimes Grandfathers tell little boys stories of exciting, highly entertaining events that are not, strictly speaking, true. I would imagine that this phenomenon is even more prominent in communities that revere people such as Elie Wiesel, who once won a Nobel Peace Prize for doing so. But I couldn’t say for certain.

    • Agree: Pheasant
    • Replies: @Altai
    @anon

    Somebody should ask him if he supported Apartheid in South Africa and if not, if he thinks it is more or less likely to have continued on or ended in bloodshed if there were massive numbers of Afrikaners in the US media and academia running interference for the regime.

    Or, if he notes any non-rational reasons that some US citizens are more likely to be concerned about people being too harsh on Israel.

    , @Dieter Kief
    @anon

    The IDW was a big step forward for - the enlightenment ideas in the anglosphere - and even in Germany. And Eric Weinstein did spark this - the label and the NYT article was a big success - and mostly his, Eric Weinstein's.

    Frankly, I don't know whether he liked what followed. Most likely not. Because the IDW thing soon started to fall into pieces and is now history, I'd say.

    If Bari Weiss would be smarter, she might not have written that article. Seen from the NYT's perspective, it was no good. Seen from the perspective of knowledge and freedom, it was a big thing. It helped secure Dave Rubin's and Sam Harris' position. And not least - and maybe most important of all, it helped pave the way to turn Claire Lehmann and Quillette into the international success story, that it has become.
    Now I think of Toby Young even and, his Free Speech Union. - Great!

    Replies: @anon, @ben tillman

  16. @anon

    This shabbat is called the sabbath of remembrance, in which Jews are asked to remember--and to blot out--the nation of Amalek, infamous for murdering the weakest, most defenseless Israelites.
     
    According to Wikipedia:

    Although Egyptian and Assyrian monumental inscriptions and records of the period survive which list various tribes and peoples of the area, no reference has ever been found to Amalek or the Amalekites. Therefore, the archaeologist and historian Hugo Winckler suggested in 1895 that there were never any such people and the Biblical stories concerning them are entirely mythological and ahistorical.[19] While considerable knowledge about nomadic Arabs has been recovered through archeological research, no specific artifacts or sites have been linked to Amalek with any certainty.
     
    I think it's fun to ponder how different life would be if the kind of people who would make up a story like this weren't in charge of so much stuff. I've always thought of that with relation to the story of Jacob and Esau as well.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Thomas, @International Jew, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Pop Warner, @Stogumber

    You don’t just walk into Amalekite Territory

    “Sauron” also sounds a bit like “Bannon”. Coincidence? I’m not sure!

  17. This is why people on the left are saying all this new-found respect for freedom of speech by the centrist Jews and associates of the world seems like a con. Because, most likely it will turn out to be one.

    Others are seeking to attack the flood head-on without sacrificing the ability to shut things down in future.

    https://twitter.com/i/events/1283293393032904704

    • LOL: Ron Unz
    • Replies: @Altai
    @Altai

    You can't have an ideology of anti-racism and not have it turn it's eye to Israel. They did impressively well to keep Israel from becoming an issue like South Africa (Like lots of Naomi Klein types joining BDS and turning it towards just the settlements and largely sucking all the energy and all the demands out of it. https://gilad.online/writings/bds-changed-its-goal-statement-once-again) in a country that has 'racism' as it's highest moral taboo, that it seeks out in other countries to make itself feel better.

    Israel is literally all the things BLM accuses America and the West of being just even worse. Desmond Tutu was once asked if Israel was like Apartheid South Africa and he replied yes but far, far worse. Add in that it is taboo to talk about Israel in the West and you have the perfect conditions to drive activists towards it. And they are on shaky ground trying to super-cancel all these black guys for anti-semitism, it'll only drive attention. The NFL guy didn't even say anything terribly offensive, but they really rode him.

    They simply makes or assumes of itself so many enemies that everytime they try to undermine one, they prop up another. A lot like Israel propping up Hamas to undermine the PLO in Gaza. They just made a more incorruptible enemy. Hamas didn't care about money, they couldn't be bought off. BLM don't care about being called anti-semetic for criticising Israel. And that's what this is all about, stopping a movement against Israel and the left can see that from the names on the list. The language about 'this is native land' must be getting particularly worried.

    If they succeed we'll get a magical kind of 'free speech' that will have the same old exceptions except maybe transgenderism as that looks like it'll be a disaster in 5 to 10 years anyway with all those girls with BPD having been put on a path to mutilation by their parents and teachers. But the NYTs will insist the free speech advocates won. (Because, in truth, they will have, they never wanted true free speech) JK Rowling won't be a liability to mention this isn't free speech either given her views on Israel.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    , @Simplepseudonymichandle
    @Altai

    We defend the right of Sinn Fein to speak and even hold representation.

  18. @Redneck farmer
    So now she has time to destroy Amalekites and "lie with a woman like a man"?

    Replies: @Kent Nationalist, @Kolya Krassotkin

    lie with a woman like a man

    Lesbians must be more inventive than I thought

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @Kent Nationalist

    There are some websites...

  19. The other thing is that at least some gentiles have picked up her and Bret Stephen’s ideology.

    Though, in farinss, every ideological position of MovieBob has always been consistent with ‘Does Bob think this is against people who possess traits he associates with the kids who bullied him at school’. This is why he went from a Libertarian to weird, seemingly impossible socialist/neoliberal extremist. A kind of Seth Meyer’s extremist.

    • Agree: Not Only Wrathful
    • LOL: Neoconned
    • Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Altai


    Though, in farinss, every ideological position of MovieBob has always been consistent with ‘Does Bob think this is against people who possess traits he associates with the kids who bullied him at school’. This is why he went from a Libertarian to weird, seemingly impossible socialist/neoliberal extremist. A kind of Seth Meyer’s extremist.
     
    My forced departure from the twitterverse was the result of a dust-up with this specimen, wherein in response to his jejune criticism of another man for (if you can believe it) being rather hefty, I pointed out to Mr. Chipman his own heftiness and linked to a prior tweet of his bemoaning the accomodations in his literal Mother's basement cum "apartment."
    , @J.Ross
    @Altai

    The thing MovieBob is most famous for prior to this (apart from the astonishingly self-unaware fitness advice video which fans of RazorFist will recall lol'ing at) is a bizarrely Hitlerian mumble about how superior he (and people of his ideology) are, and how those who disagree will die out, and should. It wasn't all that far off from the stuff I hear National Review has proudly published lately. What is the problem these advocates of hate in policy, extermination, totalitarianism, and the invasion of Poland have with Hitler? Is it the mustache?

  20. @Altai
    This is why people on the left are saying all this new-found respect for freedom of speech by the centrist Jews and associates of the world seems like a con. Because, most likely it will turn out to be one.

    https://twitter.com/ardriboru/status/1254529370972135424

    Others are seeking to attack the flood head-on without sacrificing the ability to shut things down in future.

    https://twitter.com/i/events/1283293393032904704

    Replies: @Altai, @Simplepseudonymichandle

    You can’t have an ideology of anti-racism and not have it turn it’s eye to Israel. They did impressively well to keep Israel from becoming an issue like South Africa (Like lots of Naomi Klein types joining BDS and turning it towards just the settlements and largely sucking all the energy and all the demands out of it. https://gilad.online/writings/bds-changed-its-goal-statement-once-again) in a country that has ‘racism’ as it’s highest moral taboo, that it seeks out in other countries to make itself feel better.

    Israel is literally all the things BLM accuses America and the West of being just even worse. Desmond Tutu was once asked if Israel was like Apartheid South Africa and he replied yes but far, far worse. Add in that it is taboo to talk about Israel in the West and you have the perfect conditions to drive activists towards it. And they are on shaky ground trying to super-cancel all these black guys for anti-semitism, it’ll only drive attention. The NFL guy didn’t even say anything terribly offensive, but they really rode him.

    They simply makes or assumes of itself so many enemies that everytime they try to undermine one, they prop up another. A lot like Israel propping up Hamas to undermine the PLO in Gaza. They just made a more incorruptible enemy. Hamas didn’t care about money, they couldn’t be bought off. BLM don’t care about being called anti-semetic for criticising Israel. And that’s what this is all about, stopping a movement against Israel and the left can see that from the names on the list. The language about ‘this is native land’ must be getting particularly worried.

    If they succeed we’ll get a magical kind of ‘free speech’ that will have the same old exceptions except maybe transgenderism as that looks like it’ll be a disaster in 5 to 10 years anyway with all those girls with BPD having been put on a path to mutilation by their parents and teachers. But the NYTs will insist the free speech advocates won. (Because, in truth, they will have, they never wanted true free speech) JK Rowling won’t be a liability to mention this isn’t free speech either given her views on Israel.

    • Agree: Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @Altai


    And they are on shaky ground trying to super-cancel all these black guys for anti-semitism, it’ll only drive attention. The NFL guy didn’t even say anything terribly offensive, but they really rode him.
     
    It does have a certain Streisand effect when the Tribe cancels someone for calling out their power to cancel people. In other words, when they try to "Mel Gibson" someone.
  21. @anon
    From her letter:

    Part of me wishes I could say that my experience was unique. But the truth is that intellectual curiosity—let alone risk-taking—is now a liability at The Times. Why edit something challenging to our readers, or write something bold only to go through the numbing process of making it ideologically kosher
     
    "Ideologically kosher" is an interesting choice of words to describe the constraints upon what we're allowed to say, and who people have to appease in order to get a career in journalism. I agree with it, of course, but it's funny how she gets about 90% of the way to a realization, but then stops just short.

    But the lessons that ought to have followed the election—lessons about the importance of understanding other Americans, the necessity of resisting tribalism
     
    Yes, if there's one thing Bari Weiss can't stand, it's putting loyalty to a Tribe above all else. I've noticed that in her writings.

    Replies: @Anon, @Bugg, @HammerJack

    Yes, if there’s one thing Bari Weiss can’t stand, it’s putting loyalty to a Tribe above all else.

    Really?

  22. I’m not exactly sure what Ms. Weiss is implying by her response to the Ambassador’s admirable sentiment, but if I were Steve Bannon, well, I wouldn’t drink from a glass from her hand.

    Exactly. Someone else was hailing Weiss’s Free Speech heroism on a different off-topic thread, but my response is more appropriate here:

    Perhaps you’re just totally ignorant, but Bari Weiss was a fanatic Jewish Neocon, and a particularly unpleasant and mediocre one, best known for her efforts to purge critics of Israel from our universities:

    https://www.unz.com/jcook/cancel-culture-letter-is-about-stifling-free-speech-not-protecting-it/

    Lord knows that the NYT has huge problems, but one of its few positive features is that unlike most other MSM outlets, it’s not 100% under Neocon control, merely 50%. Such “anti-Semitism” totally outraged Weiss, and apparently spurred her departure. Maybe she’ll go back to the WSJ Op-Ed page, which is her natural home.

    Getting rid of Weiss is about the only good thing the NYT has recently done…

    https://www.unz.com/announcement/bugs-suggestions/#comment-4034251

    Basically, she was (a junior version of) Yezhov, the NKVD Chief who spearheaded Stalin’s Great Purge of the 1930s, but then was horrified to discover that his own time had come at the end of it.

    Similarly, David Frum had led the attempt to purge of Bush’s Iraq War critics from the media, and now signed that “Free Speech/Free Thought” declaration in Harpers. I also noticed several other names of people who were eager to purge anyone who questioned the crazy Russiagate Hoax.

    Some of the Harpers signers seemed principled and sincere, but many of them were just worried that they might now become purgees instead of purgers…

    • Replies: @Altai
    @Ron Unz

    Not just random commentator but Bret Weinstein who was always a bit of mystery to me, he felt a bit like one but he didn't have a neocon background or even a Krugman 'Hear no evil, see no evil' background. I assumed it felt like that sometimes because he didn't want to go too far and lose the support he needed to not be cancelled forever. But sadly, his mask slips too, he should be too informed not to know who Weiss is and what her resignation means. And what her support means. Does he also thank all the alt-right people who brought his case attention? (Arguably moreso) Of course, not, nor is he obliged to.

    https://twitter.com/BretWeinstein/status/1283064237003165696

    The inevitable transition of for lack of a better word for this collective force, BLM, towards Israel and all the SJWs before them is what fueled this. It's what fuels Shapiro, arguably the single most prominent SJW critic.

    If 'freedom of speech' is left to the JK Rowlings and Bari Weiss's of the world, it will mean the same discourse we have now but maybe transgenderism gets deposed but Israel goes back to being untouchable. (Which Rowling will be completely fine with and which I am waiting for her SJW fans to bring up) 'Free Speech' will have been declared to have won, begrudgingly by the media.

    Words mean what we accept them to mean not what they once were accepted to mean.

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful, @Thea

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @Ron Unz

    In the current days' weird game of ideological friends and enemies, Unz and Steve respond to a NY Times editor's revelation that the newspaper of broken record is held hostage to Soros' woke minions by gleefully rejoicing that a "Neocon" got kicked on the way down.

    Unz and Steve rely on the NYTimes. Why? According to Unz, it's because the NYT is only 50% Neocon, unlike the other news outlets. However, if this has been the case all along (explaining why Unz and Steve read it), then the NYT was doing its less-Neocon thing while Bari Weiss was helping guide it. Presumably, then, Unz and Steve are happy to see Bari Weiss go to change the NYT's Neocon subservience from 50% to less than 50%, and for that they are happy to see the paper handed over to the Woke Left. This is either 4D chess accelerationism or stupidity induced by their Neocon obsessions.

    Unz's response above was originally given in answer to my question about whether Unz and Steve would finally now throw the NYT overboard instead of continuing to treat it like it deserves to be the US's flagship news outlet. I guess we know the answer. Unz and Steve's very blue state, very California I-may-be-a-conspiracy-theorist-but-at-least-I-read-the-Times-unlike-flyover-country-bumpkins social signaling trumps the opportunity to dump on this toilet-paper-worthy rag.

    Replies: @Lot

    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Ron Unz

    Thank you, Mr. Unz. For me it's getting ever harder to distinguish the various elements of the prog coalition.

    Like the tentacles of Shub-Niggurath, the goat with a thousand young, when not seeking to destroy the universe the contending pieces of this negotium perambulans noctis, tend to practice wreaking destruction upon one another.

    , @Pop Warner
    @Ron Unz

    None of the people who signed that letter gave a damn about pro-whites and other right wing dissidents being purged, censored, and persecuted by the state and capitalist establishment. They only care about cancel culture now because it's coming after them and their friends. I have no sympathy for any one of those fat hypocrites, you reap what you sow

  23. @Ron Unz

    I’m not exactly sure what Ms. Weiss is implying by her response to the Ambassador’s admirable sentiment, but if I were Steve Bannon, well, I wouldn’t drink from a glass from her hand.
     
    Exactly. Someone else was hailing Weiss's Free Speech heroism on a different off-topic thread, but my response is more appropriate here:

    Perhaps you’re just totally ignorant, but Bari Weiss was a fanatic Jewish Neocon, and a particularly unpleasant and mediocre one, best known for her efforts to purge critics of Israel from our universities:

    https://www.unz.com/jcook/cancel-culture-letter-is-about-stifling-free-speech-not-protecting-it/

    Lord knows that the NYT has huge problems, but one of its few positive features is that unlike most other MSM outlets, it’s not 100% under Neocon control, merely 50%. Such “anti-Semitism” totally outraged Weiss, and apparently spurred her departure. Maybe she’ll go back to the WSJ Op-Ed page, which is her natural home.

    Getting rid of Weiss is about the only good thing the NYT has recently done…
     
    https://www.unz.com/announcement/bugs-suggestions/#comment-4034251

    Basically, she was (a junior version of) Yezhov, the NKVD Chief who spearheaded Stalin's Great Purge of the 1930s, but then was horrified to discover that his own time had come at the end of it.

    Similarly, David Frum had led the attempt to purge of Bush's Iraq War critics from the media, and now signed that "Free Speech/Free Thought" declaration in Harpers. I also noticed several other names of people who were eager to purge anyone who questioned the crazy Russiagate Hoax.

    Some of the Harpers signers seemed principled and sincere, but many of them were just worried that they might now become purgees instead of purgers...

    Replies: @Altai, @Chrisnonymous, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Pop Warner

    Not just random commentator but Bret Weinstein who was always a bit of mystery to me, he felt a bit like one but he didn’t have a neocon background or even a Krugman ‘Hear no evil, see no evil’ background. I assumed it felt like that sometimes because he didn’t want to go too far and lose the support he needed to not be cancelled forever. But sadly, his mask slips too, he should be too informed not to know who Weiss is and what her resignation means. And what her support means. Does he also thank all the alt-right people who brought his case attention? (Arguably moreso) Of course, not, nor is he obliged to.

    The inevitable transition of for lack of a better word for this collective force, BLM, towards Israel and all the SJWs before them is what fueled this. It’s what fuels Shapiro, arguably the single most prominent SJW critic.

    If ‘freedom of speech’ is left to the JK Rowlings and Bari Weiss’s of the world, it will mean the same discourse we have now but maybe transgenderism gets deposed but Israel goes back to being untouchable. (Which Rowling will be completely fine with and which I am waiting for her SJW fans to bring up) ‘Free Speech’ will have been declared to have won, begrudgingly by the media.

    Words mean what we accept them to mean not what they once were accepted to mean.

    • Replies: @Not Only Wrathful
    @Altai

    Were I accused of something awful, I too would be more likely to thank the famous journalist for defending me, than the anonymous internet commenters who, being associated with, would get me into yet more trouble.

    Perhaps that means that I would likely be a coward? Perhaps...

    , @Thea
    @Altai

    Weinstein is an order of magnitude more intelligent and interesting than Weiss. He isn’t going to come out in favor of preserving heritage Anglo Saxon Americana but he appears to support free speech even for critics of Israel. As does his aspy brother.

  24. @anon
    From her letter:

    Part of me wishes I could say that my experience was unique. But the truth is that intellectual curiosity—let alone risk-taking—is now a liability at The Times. Why edit something challenging to our readers, or write something bold only to go through the numbing process of making it ideologically kosher
     
    "Ideologically kosher" is an interesting choice of words to describe the constraints upon what we're allowed to say, and who people have to appease in order to get a career in journalism. I agree with it, of course, but it's funny how she gets about 90% of the way to a realization, but then stops just short.

    But the lessons that ought to have followed the election—lessons about the importance of understanding other Americans, the necessity of resisting tribalism
     
    Yes, if there's one thing Bari Weiss can't stand, it's putting loyalty to a Tribe above all else. I've noticed that in her writings.

    Replies: @Anon, @Bugg, @HammerJack

    This is the liberal secular justice-seeking Jews (as they view themselves) are beginning to see they have lost control of their Frankenstein monsters. There isn’t anything in New York City that’s more Jewish than the Times. And instead even with the Sulzburgers in ownership that is being taken from them. Being a SJW is no longer enough to cover your lack of dark skin. Jews have long assumed they had a pass , and that’s no longer the case. They are viewed by Antifa and BLAM as owners of white privilege.

    As an outer borough Irish kid, couldn’t happen to a nastier bunch of folks. The Jews have looked down at everyone else forever and assumed somehow they were an integral part of this insane nonsense they helped foster. No pass for you.

    • Agree: 3g4me, mark green
    • Thanks: Pheasant
  25. @RichardTaylor
    Bari Weiss was never that bright and obviously had connections to get that job. She was on Joe Rogan and didn't even have basic information about the world. It was shocking.

    While she came off as likable in a cute sort of way, she seemed borderline ditzy.

    They don't make Ashkenazim like they used to. Relax! I kid! I kid!

    Replies: @Dieter Kief, @Bumpkin, @Hypnotoad666, @Cortes, @Nicholas Stix, @Skylark Thibedeau, @Pheasant

    That’s not the half of it, this dumb bitch is the epitome of jewish privilege, promoted way over her head to the NYT editorial page only because she’s a huge supporter of Israel.

    While I normally detest the lefties she’s probably fighting with, I will hand it to them that they’ve always known the score on Israel and applaud them for finding a way to get her to let herself out.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Bumpkin


    “The attack on Professor Massad and other in the [Middle East Studies] Department is really about their scholarship and political expression.”
     
    Any department whose name ends in "Studies" is political expression, not scholarship. The answer to nutcakes like Bari isn't other nutcakes kissing other Semitic arse.

    She's no Hilaire Belloc. Or even Pam Geller.

  26. Some of the Harpers signers seemed principled and sincere, but many of them were just worried that they might now become purgees instead of purgers…

    If their fear of being purged was their motive, than signing a letter in Haper’s looks like a rather weak move. – Almost a public sign of despair -or panic.

    Interesting.

  27. Until someone starts noticing that she’s Jewish, and a lot of the critics on both sides are Jewish, and that the NYT is basically Jewish, I don’t really see the point of discussing this. The thing is, the mainstream media is heavily Jewish, but we’re not supposed to notice, because it would be “anti-semitism”, or something. Just as you cannot seriously discuss immigration and its effects in a rational way because “nazism” and “racism”. So it becomes a pointless discussion if you have to pretend that something essential doesn’t exist.

    She will likely be replaced by another Jewish woman. (I doubt most POCs, male or female, have what it takes to be an op-editor of the NYT).

    • Agree: Old and Grumpy
    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @Dumbo


    I doubt most POCs, male or female, have what it takes to be an op-editor of the NYT.
     
    I think you give that job too much credit. The NYT has declined to the level of a bad student newspaper. It's all fill-in-the blank templates about Orange Man Bad/white people bad/black people good.

    Replies: @Redman, @Known Fact, @International Jew

  28. @IHTG
    I realize you lack sympathy, but it would be charitable to at least link to Bari's resignation letter. I agree with Aaron Gross that it might be the best thing she's ever written.

    Replies: @Nodwink, @Escher, @Jane Plain, @Barnard, @J1234

    I have a soft spot for Aaron, he was always tolerant of my most bombastic opinions. One of the fairest people on the internet, probably. A rare breed.

  29. @Altai
    @Altai

    You can't have an ideology of anti-racism and not have it turn it's eye to Israel. They did impressively well to keep Israel from becoming an issue like South Africa (Like lots of Naomi Klein types joining BDS and turning it towards just the settlements and largely sucking all the energy and all the demands out of it. https://gilad.online/writings/bds-changed-its-goal-statement-once-again) in a country that has 'racism' as it's highest moral taboo, that it seeks out in other countries to make itself feel better.

    Israel is literally all the things BLM accuses America and the West of being just even worse. Desmond Tutu was once asked if Israel was like Apartheid South Africa and he replied yes but far, far worse. Add in that it is taboo to talk about Israel in the West and you have the perfect conditions to drive activists towards it. And they are on shaky ground trying to super-cancel all these black guys for anti-semitism, it'll only drive attention. The NFL guy didn't even say anything terribly offensive, but they really rode him.

    They simply makes or assumes of itself so many enemies that everytime they try to undermine one, they prop up another. A lot like Israel propping up Hamas to undermine the PLO in Gaza. They just made a more incorruptible enemy. Hamas didn't care about money, they couldn't be bought off. BLM don't care about being called anti-semetic for criticising Israel. And that's what this is all about, stopping a movement against Israel and the left can see that from the names on the list. The language about 'this is native land' must be getting particularly worried.

    If they succeed we'll get a magical kind of 'free speech' that will have the same old exceptions except maybe transgenderism as that looks like it'll be a disaster in 5 to 10 years anyway with all those girls with BPD having been put on a path to mutilation by their parents and teachers. But the NYTs will insist the free speech advocates won. (Because, in truth, they will have, they never wanted true free speech) JK Rowling won't be a liability to mention this isn't free speech either given her views on Israel.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    And they are on shaky ground trying to super-cancel all these black guys for anti-semitism, it’ll only drive attention. The NFL guy didn’t even say anything terribly offensive, but they really rode him.

    It does have a certain Streisand effect when the Tribe cancels someone for calling out their power to cancel people. In other words, when they try to “Mel Gibson” someone.

  30. @Redneck farmer
    So now she has time to destroy Amalekites and "lie with a woman like a man"?

    Replies: @Kent Nationalist, @Kolya Krassotkin

    When you’re incurably neurotic, your best friend today will be Amalek tomorrow.

    (I wonder: when King Herod murdered his wife and son and others he suspected of treachery, did he imagine they’d become Amalek?)

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Kolya Krassotkin

    (I wonder: when King Herod murdered his wife and son and others he suspected of treachery, did he imagine they’d become Amalek?)

    This is utterly absurd. Herod's commitment to traditional Judaism was basically nil. He was a thoroughgoing Roman partisan and had zero interest in the elimination of Amalekites.

    Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin, @Pop Warner

  31. @IHTG
    I realize you lack sympathy, but it would be charitable to at least link to Bari's resignation letter. I agree with Aaron Gross that it might be the best thing she's ever written.

    Replies: @Nodwink, @Escher, @Jane Plain, @Barnard, @J1234

    Says it all.

  32. @Anon
    Out of curiosity, has the percentage of Jewish writers been dropping at the NY Times recently? Has the Times been conducting a quiet purge of Jewish writers in favor of real POCs? Or is it younger Jews trying to give older Jews the heave-ho at the Times?

    Btw, Andrew Sullivan just quit the New York Magazine.

    Replies: @Old and Grumpy, @Anon

    The rats are running for cover now that their black pets are sorta, kinda of turning on them. The horrors of it all is they probably now feel they might have the need to have their white goys come to their defense.

  33. @Kent Nationalist
    @Redneck farmer


    lie with a woman like a man
     
    Lesbians must be more inventive than I thought

    Replies: @Redneck farmer

    There are some websites…

  34. @Sean
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Giraldi opined ' Donald J. Trump has delivered on his promise to be the “best friend in Washington that Israel has ever had”‘, but an article that appeared last Thursday in the Jerusalem Post still had the power to make me spill my cup of coffee in disbelief. The headline read “Friedman: Second Trump term could take U.S.-Israel ties to next level.”

    What Trump would do in his second term, and after COVID-19 people are starting to agree with him, is divest America from its reliance on China. But that close China-America relationship is vital to Wall Street reaping vast profits they are counting on, so they are going to stop Trump being re-elected. Maxwell is an important part of their strategy, which is working. China and Wall Street will win, and the Israel Lobby is helpless to prevent it.

    Wall Street is largely Jewish, but so many issues come down to arguments between Jews. Of course the Wall Street Jews wand to pretend Bannon (like Trump the greatest friend Israel has ever had) is bad for Jews rather than bad for Jewish Wall Street financiers who have bet the farm on Chinese growth.

    https://youtu.be/qH5QzuzD01A?t=647

    Bari Weiss is pro Israel, and that means she is pro Trump. The innuendo about Epstein and Russia will become overwhelming in the media. Trump is “one lonely guy” against the Deep State and Wall Street elites because the Democrats have become the party of big business, and that means they are doing China’s work. You have the entire establishment on one side and on the other the Israel Lobby.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

    Trump talks big but he has consistently rolled over whenever Xi applies real pressure. Trump has notieceably said very little about Hong Kong. His kids have a lot of money at stake as well, Ivanka and Jared are working overtime to make sure the rhetoric doesn’t turn into reality. If Trump wins re-election expect an immediate pivot to Trump preserving peace in our time and working on a global initiative hand-in-hand with the PRC to fight the virus and save the economy. All the Kung Flu talk will go down the memory hole.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Peter Akuleyev


    Trump talks big but he has consistently rolled over whenever Xi applies real pressure.
     
    With eighteen years of unbroken economic success to consolidate his regime and official authority in a homogenous country without a meaningful civil society opposition, Xi is ideally positioned to stand firm against Trump. For now.

    His kids have a lot of money at stake as well, Ivanka and Jared are working overtime to make sure the rhetoric doesn’t turn into reality
     
    Trump has to win another term to overcome the opposition to his reforms. Roosevelt was frustrated by the courts in his first term, but when he was re-elected the legalist pettifogging about the Constitution prohibiting his measures disappeared. It was the will of the people.

    Going all out against China-- and by now it is clear that purely economic measures will prove insufficient-- would require a much more united country than Trump has been able to muster so far. He cannot deal with either immigration or Middle East wars without alienating powerful sectors of the American elite. Hence Ivanka and Jared are promoted as softening his policy on those matters. The Chinese are of course trying to buy influence with the Trump family, but for decades the whole US elite has been massively incentivised into defeatist collaboration with Chinese growth. That's the problem. Xi will see a different Trump if he is re-elected. Stopping the rise of China to parity with the IS will require a great deal of Wall Street current investments to go sour. At present the index and pensions funds of America remain committed to China's growth continuing and the universities have come to depend on those millions of students from China.


    All the Kung Flu talk will go down the memory hole.
     
    Like the previous time they initially covered up a pandemic with SAARs. They have done it twice now and cannot be trusted not to again, with God knows what consequences the next time. Even Boris Johnson seeing them for what they are; he is going to be forced to reverse his decision and exclude China from Britain's 5G infrastructure. And it was the WuFlu. Wuhan: same place the Fentanyl was made.

    Bari Weiss must truly despise white gentiles, and see not Israel but Wall Street as the beating heart of the Jewish people. She is willing to see the presidency of Israel's greatest benefactor end after one term. She wants the Deaths of Despair to continue: Fentanyl to sedate the feared and loathed goys and COVID-19 to finish them off. Both straight out of Wuhan. Bari has no worries about Israel, which is half the size of the aforementioned ninth-most populous Chinese city where the synthetic opioid and coronavirus epidemics were made. No wonder Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is making deals with China. Just like China's other pal, Iran, Israel understands that China rather than America is going to be running things in future. With friends like that Israel's future is not is doubt.

  35. @IHTG
    I realize you lack sympathy, but it would be charitable to at least link to Bari's resignation letter. I agree with Aaron Gross that it might be the best thing she's ever written.

    Replies: @Nodwink, @Escher, @Jane Plain, @Barnard, @J1234

    Who is Aaron Gross?

    I wish Bari would name names. She refers to people who wrote some very nasty shit about her in the Slack chats. Who? Whom?

  36. t if I were Steve Bannon, well, I wouldn’t drink from a glass from her hand.

    This is so silly. I mean, really silly.

    Also, when she was speaking about Amalek, she was sticking up for Muslims who got slaughtered in the mosque in NZ, not Jews,, so how is this tribal? It’s not.

    Amalek is a metaphor for savages who attack helpless people. I can go along with that while still thinking that NZ should stop admitting Muslim immigrants. And also watch crazy Australians with guns.

    • Agree: Brás Cubas
    • Replies: @Dissident
    @Jane Plain

    While I mostly agree with what you have expressed, I cannot entirely dismiss Mr. Sailer's overarching point. Ms. Weiss's characterization of Steve Bannon as an "enemy of the Jewish people" is over-the-top, if not downright absurd. That notwithstanding, the suggestion that Mr. Bannon could be at risk of actual bodily harm at the hands of Ms. Weiss also seems rather over-the-top.

    I do not see how the single statement of Bari Weiss that is cited is proof of her having an "obsession with smiting the Old Testament Amalekites and those she deems their descendants".


    Amalek is a metaphor for savages who attack helpless people.
     
    Certainly, in the context that Ms. Weiss was using it, Amalek is a symbol of unmitigated evil.

    I can go along with that while still thinking that NZ should stop admitting Muslim immigrants. And also watch crazy Australians with guns.
     
    Right. There are actually several levels of critical distinctions here.
    - There is no inherent or necessary connection between opposition to immigration by any specific group and opposition to said group itself, let alone hatred of said group, much less wishing ill upon them.

    - Even if one does oppose Islam and/or Muslim behavior, it absolutely does not follow that one need find the slaughter of Muslim civilians anything less than horrific and unconscionable.

    Did you, by any chance, catch this comment? Shocking, as the poster had seemed pretty far from the type one would expect such "fed-posting" from.

  37. Let’s turn off our Bari-hate for a week or two and appreciate her excellent NYT takedown. We have plenty of time to scrum on her after she lands on her feet elsewhere.

    Am I the only one who senses that the temperature seems to be changing? Sullivan, Pinker, Weiss, the Letter … some brave people are beginning to poke their heads up, and I wonder if there is a tipping point in our near future? Might we eventually start to see university administrators who say, Nah, I don’t think so, let’s wait until the investigation is completed, in response to a WE DEMAND letter triggered by a “noose”?

    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
    @Anon

    Those letter-signing people? No, they're just getting worried that the demon they conjured is beginning to turn on them. They do not believe a word of their keening about free speech or tolerance of any kind. They are still the same people who enthusiastically agreed with Hillary about the Deplorables; they were a-ok with seeing them (read, us) humiliated, immiserated, deprived of our Constitutional rights, and driven to despair and suicide. That is still the underpinnings of their belief structure and values. Nothing has changed, nothing. Did they do anything anything of any consequence about shutting down the economy? No, because their candy asses were unaffected, and that just gave them an opportunity to gloat over the consequences to the Deplorables.

    FUCK THEM. The time to insist on civility was when Hillary and her Deep State companions were - functionally - advocating for repression and persecution in a very open and cold-blooded fashion.

    But where were they then? Anybody can see those eliminationist rants for what they are. Correction; people of good will can see that, but these people were not, and are not now, people of that stripe.

  38. @RichardTaylor
    Bari Weiss was never that bright and obviously had connections to get that job. She was on Joe Rogan and didn't even have basic information about the world. It was shocking.

    While she came off as likable in a cute sort of way, she seemed borderline ditzy.

    They don't make Ashkenazim like they used to. Relax! I kid! I kid!

    Replies: @Dieter Kief, @Bumpkin, @Hypnotoad666, @Cortes, @Nicholas Stix, @Skylark Thibedeau, @Pheasant

    She was on Joe Rogan and didn’t even have basic information about the world. It was shocking.

    Meh. World Shmorld. She knows about the important country. And she’s not soft on the Amalekites. We really need a final solution solution of that problem, by the way.

  39. @IHTG
    I realize you lack sympathy, but it would be charitable to at least link to Bari's resignation letter. I agree with Aaron Gross that it might be the best thing she's ever written.

    Replies: @Nodwink, @Escher, @Jane Plain, @Barnard, @J1234

    A very low bar, but true. One thing she did reinforce is that these newsroom idiots spend all their time on social media. It completely reinforced the argument Ben Rhodes made at the end of the Obama Administration that the average reporter doesn’t know anything and is easily manipulated. If a news organization wanted to improve the quality of their reporting, they would ban their reporters from having social media accounts.

  40. Id sue for libel if i was Bannon

  41. @Dumbo
    Until someone starts noticing that she's Jewish, and a lot of the critics on both sides are Jewish, and that the NYT is basically Jewish, I don't really see the point of discussing this. The thing is, the mainstream media is heavily Jewish, but we're not supposed to notice, because it would be "anti-semitism", or something. Just as you cannot seriously discuss immigration and its effects in a rational way because "nazism" and "racism". So it becomes a pointless discussion if you have to pretend that something essential doesn't exist.

    She will likely be replaced by another Jewish woman. (I doubt most POCs, male or female, have what it takes to be an op-editor of the NYT).

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    I doubt most POCs, male or female, have what it takes to be an op-editor of the NYT.

    I think you give that job too much credit. The NYT has declined to the level of a bad student newspaper. It’s all fill-in-the blank templates about Orange Man Bad/white people bad/black people good.

    • Agree: Alfa158
    • Replies: @Redman
    @Hypnotoad666

    I nominate Tennessee Coates as her replacement. Then we can get some real iSteve content on a regular basis.

    , @Known Fact
    @Hypnotoad666

    Op-editor is an easy, lazy-ass job compared to anything else in a newsroom, and even much of that work gets sloughed off to the copy desk. At least the job used to require some knowledge, wit and judgment, but now just follow the narrative template

    , @International Jew
    @Hypnotoad666

    I think the Times is becoming less Jewish. Few if any of those POC they've been promoting are Jewish. Indeed, they're the core wokesters who are going to drive more and more Jews away.

    Replies: @Simplepseudonymichandle

  42. @Altai
    The other thing is that at least some gentiles have picked up her and Bret Stephen's ideology.

    https://twitter.com/acczibit/status/1282711616623173633

    Though, in farinss, every ideological position of MovieBob has always been consistent with 'Does Bob think this is against people who possess traits he associates with the kids who bullied him at school'. This is why he went from a Libertarian to weird, seemingly impossible socialist/neoliberal extremist. A kind of Seth Meyer's extremist.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @J.Ross

    Though, in farinss, every ideological position of MovieBob has always been consistent with ‘Does Bob think this is against people who possess traits he associates with the kids who bullied him at school’. This is why he went from a Libertarian to weird, seemingly impossible socialist/neoliberal extremist. A kind of Seth Meyer’s extremist.

    My forced departure from the twitterverse was the result of a dust-up with this specimen, wherein in response to his jejune criticism of another man for (if you can believe it) being rather hefty, I pointed out to Mr. Chipman his own heftiness and linked to a prior tweet of his bemoaning the accomodations in his literal Mother’s basement cum “apartment.”

  43. One of the only good things about modern woke leftism is that it no longer accepts the hypocrisy and special pleading of Zionists. “Ethnostate for me, globalism for thee.” Other than the flaming Old Testament hatreds (from someone born in Pittsburgh), Weiss was otherwise a garden-variety leftist.

    • Troll: Thomas
    • Replies: @Not Only Wrathful
    @Thomas

    It just accepts the special pleading of the 90+% of the world that isn't white.

    With more clarity, Jews are constantly in danger of fully falling into the negative "white" category, which, given the history of them being killed for not being white enough, is a particularly nasty kind of sick. They therefore seem much more motivated to fight it, even the rich and successful ones. Unlike the much larger number of rich and successful non-Jewish whites.

    Not that the demonisation of people for the colour of their skin is ever good. Demonisation is as much a form of self-harm, by denying what you associate with the demonic, in yourself, and obviously also a way of harming the other.

    Replies: @Thomas

    , @Redman
    @Thomas

    The supposedly significant Harper's Letter seems little more than an internal battle of the left between the Zionist/neocon media and the Black/SJW Twitter warriors, the latter having recently gained power suddenly which is perceived as a risk to the former. I suspect it will soon be forgotten.

    It has so little to do with those of us on the right, as it goes out of its way in the first paragraph to distance itself from us:

    "The forces of illiberalism are gaining strength throughout the world and have a powerful ally in Donald Trump, who represents a real threat to democracy. But resistance must not be allowed to harden into its own brand of dogma or coercion—which right-wing demagogues are already exploiting."

    In fact, in an otherwise bland and unspecific missive, this is about the only thing it does specify as unifying concept: Orange Man and deplorables bad.

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Thomas


    Other than the flaming Old Testament hatreds (from someone born in Pittsburgh), Weiss was otherwise a garden-variety leftist.
     
    Whether it's for marketing or career purposes, or whatever, she has been trying hard to align herself with the "intellectual dark web" guys. She's always name-dropping how she's supposedly friends with Rogan (not sure he'd agree). But they could use a chick in their orbit even if she's not really smart enough to say much that's interesting.

    Replies: @Thomas

  44. “Here’s my favorite Bari Weiss tweet, in which the lesbian warrioress against Cancel Culture”

    I see that you have a girlfriend. Is that because you think you’re ugly? Cuz you’re not – you could have a husband.

    Weiss was normal from 2013 thru 2016, married to a Jason. She’s not ugly, so she musta been sexually abused by a man at some point.

    🏳️‍🌈 Celebrate Child Sex Abuse! 🏳️‍🌈

  45. @Altai
    @Ron Unz

    Not just random commentator but Bret Weinstein who was always a bit of mystery to me, he felt a bit like one but he didn't have a neocon background or even a Krugman 'Hear no evil, see no evil' background. I assumed it felt like that sometimes because he didn't want to go too far and lose the support he needed to not be cancelled forever. But sadly, his mask slips too, he should be too informed not to know who Weiss is and what her resignation means. And what her support means. Does he also thank all the alt-right people who brought his case attention? (Arguably moreso) Of course, not, nor is he obliged to.

    https://twitter.com/BretWeinstein/status/1283064237003165696

    The inevitable transition of for lack of a better word for this collective force, BLM, towards Israel and all the SJWs before them is what fueled this. It's what fuels Shapiro, arguably the single most prominent SJW critic.

    If 'freedom of speech' is left to the JK Rowlings and Bari Weiss's of the world, it will mean the same discourse we have now but maybe transgenderism gets deposed but Israel goes back to being untouchable. (Which Rowling will be completely fine with and which I am waiting for her SJW fans to bring up) 'Free Speech' will have been declared to have won, begrudgingly by the media.

    Words mean what we accept them to mean not what they once were accepted to mean.

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful, @Thea

    Were I accused of something awful, I too would be more likely to thank the famous journalist for defending me, than the anonymous internet commenters who, being associated with, would get me into yet more trouble.

    Perhaps that means that I would likely be a coward? Perhaps…

  46. @Thomas
    One of the only good things about modern woke leftism is that it no longer accepts the hypocrisy and special pleading of Zionists. "Ethnostate for me, globalism for thee." Other than the flaming Old Testament hatreds (from someone born in Pittsburgh), Weiss was otherwise a garden-variety leftist.

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful, @Redman, @Hypnotoad666

    It just accepts the special pleading of the 90+% of the world that isn’t white.

    With more clarity, Jews are constantly in danger of fully falling into the negative “white” category, which, given the history of them being killed for not being white enough, is a particularly nasty kind of sick. They therefore seem much more motivated to fight it, even the rich and successful ones. Unlike the much larger number of rich and successful non-Jewish whites.

    Not that the demonisation of people for the colour of their skin is ever good. Demonisation is as much a form of self-harm, by denying what you associate with the demonic, in yourself, and obviously also a way of harming the other.

    • Troll: Thomas
    • Replies: @Thomas
    @Not Only Wrathful


    With more clarity, Jews are constantly in danger of fully falling into the negative “white” category, which, given the history of them being killed for not being white enough, is a particularly nasty kind of sick.
     
    There is no history of Jews being killed for "not being white enough." Nazi racial typology was orthogonal to what the rest of the world generally considers white. (They didn't include the Poles or Russians as "Aryan" either.) The idea of white Jews somehow ever having been considered "not white" is just an effort to cram anti-semitism into the narrow boxes of racism, when it's something else and has always been something else. That plus the "flight from white."

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful

  47. Anon[389] • Disclaimer says:

    Thank you Steve, for showing us who Bari Weiss really is: A Zionist.

    So tired of all the deification of her from the right like Rod Dreher of TAC. The only reason she quit is because the New Left has now turned against her beloved Israel the Apartheid state. Before then, she has no problem censuring others. She’s just another hypocrite like all others of her ilk on both the left and the right who want maximum immigration to the West while keeping Israel strictly for Ashkenazi/Sephardic Jews.

    No worries though I’m sure she’ll be picked up by another Ziocon rag/controlled opposition like the WSJ/Breitbart/National Review in no time.

    • Agree: mark green
  48. And again, ‘dis bitch be gettin’ all Talmudic ‘n’ shee-it.

  49. @RichardTaylor
    Bari Weiss was never that bright and obviously had connections to get that job. She was on Joe Rogan and didn't even have basic information about the world. It was shocking.

    While she came off as likable in a cute sort of way, she seemed borderline ditzy.

    They don't make Ashkenazim like they used to. Relax! I kid! I kid!

    Replies: @Dieter Kief, @Bumpkin, @Hypnotoad666, @Cortes, @Nicholas Stix, @Skylark Thibedeau, @Pheasant

    What if was just an act? See the miracle of Ernest Saunders, released from prison due to Alzheimer’s:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/comment/jeremy-warner/jeremy-warner-ronson-ndash-ernests-alzheimers-was-my-idea-1698217.html

    Consider also the mumbling, bumbling Robert Mueller show.

    Ms Weiss maybe just played her Sgt Schultz (I know nussink!) card.

  50. @Hypnotoad666
    @Dumbo


    I doubt most POCs, male or female, have what it takes to be an op-editor of the NYT.
     
    I think you give that job too much credit. The NYT has declined to the level of a bad student newspaper. It's all fill-in-the blank templates about Orange Man Bad/white people bad/black people good.

    Replies: @Redman, @Known Fact, @International Jew

    I nominate Tennessee Coates as her replacement. Then we can get some real iSteve content on a regular basis.

  51. @Hypnotoad666
    @Dumbo


    I doubt most POCs, male or female, have what it takes to be an op-editor of the NYT.
     
    I think you give that job too much credit. The NYT has declined to the level of a bad student newspaper. It's all fill-in-the blank templates about Orange Man Bad/white people bad/black people good.

    Replies: @Redman, @Known Fact, @International Jew

    Op-editor is an easy, lazy-ass job compared to anything else in a newsroom, and even much of that work gets sloughed off to the copy desk. At least the job used to require some knowledge, wit and judgment, but now just follow the narrative template

  52. @Dieter Kief
    @RichardTaylor

    Joe Rogan sat there transfixed, letting this public self-destruction of Bari Weiss just roll on and on...

    But her IDW-article was quite something - not lest the portrait-photos - and a triumph for Eric Weinstein.

    Replies: @anon, @New Dealer, @Pop Warner

    Reposting:

    • Replies: @anon
    @New Dealer

    Thanks!

    , @Dieter Kief
    @New Dealer

    The NY Times just lost its last non-woke public person. While this will be cheered as a victory, it just finalizes the death of the paper itself.


    I kept warning Bari that the real threat was the far left in that IDW piece and begged her to put it in. She didn’t and here we are.
     
    Both quotes from Dave Rubin on Twitter. - I agree completely with the second quote, of course.
  53. I don’t think Bari Weiss is a lesbian.

    Steve wrote:

    “Here’s my favorite Bari Weiss tweet, in which the lesbian warrioress…”

    From Wiki —

    “From 2013 to 2016, Weiss was married to environmental engineer Jason Kass, the founder of Toilets for People”

  54. @Thomas
    One of the only good things about modern woke leftism is that it no longer accepts the hypocrisy and special pleading of Zionists. "Ethnostate for me, globalism for thee." Other than the flaming Old Testament hatreds (from someone born in Pittsburgh), Weiss was otherwise a garden-variety leftist.

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful, @Redman, @Hypnotoad666

    The supposedly significant Harper’s Letter seems little more than an internal battle of the left between the Zionist/neocon media and the Black/SJW Twitter warriors, the latter having recently gained power suddenly which is perceived as a risk to the former. I suspect it will soon be forgotten.

    It has so little to do with those of us on the right, as it goes out of its way in the first paragraph to distance itself from us:

    “The forces of illiberalism are gaining strength throughout the world and have a powerful ally in Donald Trump, who represents a real threat to democracy. But resistance must not be allowed to harden into its own brand of dogma or coercion—which right-wing demagogues are already exploiting.”

    In fact, in an otherwise bland and unspecific missive, this is about the only thing it does specify as unifying concept: Orange Man and deplorables bad.

  55. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/04/bari-weiss-the-new-york-times-provocateur

    “Weiss might have stayed in the books section at the [Wall Street] Journal, but Trump’s candidacy woke her up to her real passion: the intersection of politics and culture. She realized that she was one of the most left-wing people at the paper, a situation that became constraining. During the campaign, she tried to sound the alarm about Steve Bannon but was told that she “didn’t have the standing.” She wanted to write about Melania Trump’s hypocrisy with her cyber-bullying issue but wasn’t allowed to.”

    What a joke she is. She left the Wall Street Journal because it was too right wing. And yes, she really is eager to use her writing to destroy people she disagrees with.

    Going after Melania Trump over her anti bullying efforts? Geez!

  56. Anon[200] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    Out of curiosity, has the percentage of Jewish writers been dropping at the NY Times recently? Has the Times been conducting a quiet purge of Jewish writers in favor of real POCs? Or is it younger Jews trying to give older Jews the heave-ho at the Times?

    Btw, Andrew Sullivan just quit the New York Magazine.

    Replies: @Old and Grumpy, @Anon

    Zionists are dropping like flies from the left because The New Left has turned against Israel. So now they’re recasting themselves as “center-left” or “center-right” claiming to be for free speech and against “cancel culture”, yet have no problem censuring those against their support for Israel or endless immigration agenda as “white supremacist”. Now they’ve corrupted both the left and the right. Both sides are now all for LGBTQ, endless immigration, endless foreign intervention on behalf of the Military Banking Complex.

    With “conservatives” like Ben Shapiro, David Brooks, Bret Stephens, Max Boot, Bill Kristol, Jared Kushner, Jonah Goldberg, David French, John Roberts, Neil Gorsuch, Breitbart, National Review, who needs liberals? What exactly are they trying to conserve(other than Jew power)? Controlled opposition through and through.

    • Agree: Ron Unz, 3g4me
  57. @RichardTaylor
    Bari Weiss was never that bright and obviously had connections to get that job. She was on Joe Rogan and didn't even have basic information about the world. It was shocking.

    While she came off as likable in a cute sort of way, she seemed borderline ditzy.

    They don't make Ashkenazim like they used to. Relax! I kid! I kid!

    Replies: @Dieter Kief, @Bumpkin, @Hypnotoad666, @Cortes, @Nicholas Stix, @Skylark Thibedeau, @Pheasant

    We live in the time of the Stupid Jew Apocalypse!

  58. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/jdforward/status/898950202672861184

    Replies: @Sean, @Prof. Woland, @Mr. Anon

    Steve Bannon is like Prometheus. He stole fire. In effect, by developing alternative new outlets and technologies, the populace can now bypass the media severely eroding its power. This is not popular with a particular (((tribe))) that monopolized the media and resents and fears losing it’s grip.

    Bannon’s crime is that he was the face of that movement. His high profile role in Breitbart and support of Trump personalized these inevitable changes that are occurring. Heretofore, most of these changes were furthered by anonymous or obscure personalities that were bringing change one minor development at a a time but now this was attached to a person who needed to be destroyed for his crime, and what better way than to call him a …. RACIST.

    • Replies: @Prof. Woland
    @Prof. Woland

    To add a footnote, Alex Jones inhabits the same real estate as Bannon. His real crime is that he built a television station (for lack of a better word) something that both challenges the current media power structure while thumbing its nose at it. Don't underestimate how much Jews hate and fear Goys that are poaching on "their turf". This has little to do with content and everything to do with power.

    , @Nicholas Stix
    @Prof. Woland

    I hate to break it to you, but Andrew Breitbart, may he rest in peace, was a Jew, and Donald Trump is "the King of the Jews."

    So, Jews both "monopolize[d] the media and resents and fears losing it’s [sic] grip," and break the monopoly. If that isn't an indispensable religion, I don't know what is.

  59. Steve Bannon is an enemy of the Jewish people.

    Steve Bannon, Nick Cannon, Steve Canyon, Race Bannon…

    Bari Weiss = Wires bias;

    the lesbian warrioress

    Swears, “I bi!”

    Among Amalek’s modern heirs: The terrorists who gunned down innocents in New Zealand.

    I’m unaware of any “innocents” being gunned down there. Just some Mohammedan colonists.

    • Agree: donut
    • Replies: @duncsbaby
    @Reg Cæsar

    No one is innocent.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D19eYbbFCvQ

    , @Dissident
    @Reg Cæsar



    [Bari Weiss:]Among Amalek’s modern heirs: The terrorists who gunned down innocents in New Zealand.
     
    I’m unaware of any “innocents” being gunned down there. Just some Mohammedan colonists.
     
    Wow! Fed-post tier.

    • Disavow: Dissident

  60. @Kolya Krassotkin
    @Redneck farmer

    When you're incurably neurotic, your best friend today will be Amalek tomorrow.

    (I wonder: when King Herod murdered his wife and son and others he suspected of treachery, did he imagine they'd become Amalek?)

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    (I wonder: when King Herod murdered his wife and son and others he suspected of treachery, did he imagine they’d become Amalek?)

    This is utterly absurd. Herod’s commitment to traditional Judaism was basically nil. He was a thoroughgoing Roman partisan and had zero interest in the elimination of Amalekites.

    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
    @kaganovitch

    My remark was a stab at humor, but everyone who sees Amalekites hiding under every bed and behind every bush does have serious mental problems, including lesbians from Squirrel Hill.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    , @Pop Warner
    @kaganovitch

    What's absurd about it is that Herod the Idumean was himself a descendant of Amalek and Esau through his Edomite mother

  61. Anonymous[504] • Disclaimer says:

    Do other Sapphic-Americans diplomatically recognize her as one of their tribe (the old Carol Leifer joke comes to mind)? Yes, I realize you only need to have one other ally to qualify as an alliance. Even North Korea has one, admittedly it’s a doozy

  62. @Bumpkin
    @RichardTaylor

    That's not the half of it, this dumb bitch is the epitome of jewish privilege, promoted way over her head to the NYT editorial page only because she's a huge supporter of Israel.

    While I normally detest the lefties she's probably fighting with, I will hand it to them that they've always known the score on Israel and applaud them for finding a way to get her to let herself out.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    “The attack on Professor Massad and other in the [Middle East Studies] Department is really about their scholarship and political expression.”

    Any department whose name ends in “Studies” is political expression, not scholarship. The answer to nutcakes like Bari isn’t other nutcakes kissing other Semitic arse.

    She’s no Hilaire Belloc. Or even Pam Geller.

  63. On the white conservative internet, no one seems to be aware that Bari Weiss hates them. They are mindlessly calling the NYT “anti-semitic.”

    “Pro racism Coward Cossacks deleted a democrats’ post re Bari Weiss / NYT”

    http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3865106/posts

  64. @Ron Unz

    I’m not exactly sure what Ms. Weiss is implying by her response to the Ambassador’s admirable sentiment, but if I were Steve Bannon, well, I wouldn’t drink from a glass from her hand.
     
    Exactly. Someone else was hailing Weiss's Free Speech heroism on a different off-topic thread, but my response is more appropriate here:

    Perhaps you’re just totally ignorant, but Bari Weiss was a fanatic Jewish Neocon, and a particularly unpleasant and mediocre one, best known for her efforts to purge critics of Israel from our universities:

    https://www.unz.com/jcook/cancel-culture-letter-is-about-stifling-free-speech-not-protecting-it/

    Lord knows that the NYT has huge problems, but one of its few positive features is that unlike most other MSM outlets, it’s not 100% under Neocon control, merely 50%. Such “anti-Semitism” totally outraged Weiss, and apparently spurred her departure. Maybe she’ll go back to the WSJ Op-Ed page, which is her natural home.

    Getting rid of Weiss is about the only good thing the NYT has recently done…
     
    https://www.unz.com/announcement/bugs-suggestions/#comment-4034251

    Basically, she was (a junior version of) Yezhov, the NKVD Chief who spearheaded Stalin's Great Purge of the 1930s, but then was horrified to discover that his own time had come at the end of it.

    Similarly, David Frum had led the attempt to purge of Bush's Iraq War critics from the media, and now signed that "Free Speech/Free Thought" declaration in Harpers. I also noticed several other names of people who were eager to purge anyone who questioned the crazy Russiagate Hoax.

    Some of the Harpers signers seemed principled and sincere, but many of them were just worried that they might now become purgees instead of purgers...

    Replies: @Altai, @Chrisnonymous, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Pop Warner

    In the current days’ weird game of ideological friends and enemies, Unz and Steve respond to a NY Times editor’s revelation that the newspaper of broken record is held hostage to Soros’ woke minions by gleefully rejoicing that a “Neocon” got kicked on the way down.

    Unz and Steve rely on the NYTimes. Why? According to Unz, it’s because the NYT is only 50% Neocon, unlike the other news outlets. However, if this has been the case all along (explaining why Unz and Steve read it), then the NYT was doing its less-Neocon thing while Bari Weiss was helping guide it. Presumably, then, Unz and Steve are happy to see Bari Weiss go to change the NYT’s Neocon subservience from 50% to less than 50%, and for that they are happy to see the paper handed over to the Woke Left. This is either 4D chess accelerationism or stupidity induced by their Neocon obsessions.

    Unz’s response above was originally given in answer to my question about whether Unz and Steve would finally now throw the NYT overboard instead of continuing to treat it like it deserves to be the US’s flagship news outlet. I guess we know the answer. Unz and Steve’s very blue state, very California I-may-be-a-conspiracy-theorist-but-at-least-I-read-the-Times-unlike-flyover-country-bumpkins social signaling trumps the opportunity to dump on this toilet-paper-worthy rag.

    • Agree: Pop Warner
    • Replies: @Lot
    @Chrisnonymous

    I think more charitably to Steve, he reads the NYT because it is one of three national American newspapers, the other being the even worse WaPo and the strictly paywalled WSJ.

    Some free NYT alternatives:

    Latimes.com - Good west coast coverage, similar to NYT for national coverage but not as extensive

    reuters.com - an underused gem. no paywalls, not even leaky NYT style. ads are pretty restrained. like the WSJ, it is business-news focused but also provides general news.

    DailyMail - hard to read without an adblocker, downscale, but nonetheless provides high quality non-woke US news coverage. Probably a top 5 newspaper website in the USA by now.

    Daily Express www.express.co.uk - Excellent UK and Europe news from a conservative nationalist perspective. Nothing like it in the USA, closest thing would be the online-only Breitbart. 93% of readers support Cecil Rhodes statutes:

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1293840/Cecil-Rhodes-statue-removed-oxford-university-protests-black-lives-matter

    I also don't think Steve uses "Neocon" anymore to refer to contemporary figures, recognizing the term lost all usefulness except as a historical descriptor after about 2012.

    My view of Beri is that's she's as cute as a button, and that anti-woke liberals like her form a pool of potential Republican voters.

    Remember, white population share decline means every year the GOP needs to increase its share of the white vote by about half a percentage point. That means flipping people who regularly voted Democrat and do not consider themselves conservatives such as Bari.

    Replies: @Ian M., @Chrisnonymous

  65. anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    Trump, a man allegedly stricken with ego problems, seems to most enrage people… with ego problems. What the hell’s that about? What makes these people so shamelessly wacky? And proud of it?

  66. Dammit, wouldn’t you just know it–the high-profile person who quits and exposes a sjw culture where everyone is called a racist and a Nazi actually is a racist and a Nazi.

    • LOL: Ron Unz
  67. Why can’t workers quit without making a fuss? For example,

    I hereby resign, effective immediately. Please send my last paycheck to the mailing address on file.

    I had no idea that this gal’s employment situation should concern me. Had she been the gal who usually makes my latte, I might have noticed unprompted.

    • LOL: Kolya Krassotkin
  68. @Hypnotoad666
    @Dumbo


    I doubt most POCs, male or female, have what it takes to be an op-editor of the NYT.
     
    I think you give that job too much credit. The NYT has declined to the level of a bad student newspaper. It's all fill-in-the blank templates about Orange Man Bad/white people bad/black people good.

    Replies: @Redman, @Known Fact, @International Jew

    I think the Times is becoming less Jewish. Few if any of those POC they’ve been promoting are Jewish. Indeed, they’re the core wokesters who are going to drive more and more Jews away.

    • Replies: @Simplepseudonymichandle
    @International Jew

    Almost surely true.
    Trouble is: either and any-which-way, we seem condemned to have to deal-with/cope-with/respond-to/adapt-to, it's agenda.
    i.e.: it says White Fragility is a bestseller. Is it? Is it really selling better than anything else? I more than doubt it and it's well known NYT doesn't decide best sellers based on sales.
    i.e.: it pushed the whole 1619 Project - which properly should have up'd, and poofed, like so many other fly-by-night ideas.
    Instead - full blow cottage industry and blowback is uphill.
    It may be as Weiss says, NYT editor is Twitter, so agenda is Twitter, not NYT - either way it seems like an indulgence to argue against the agenda of either, the subject should be how we dis-connect so we don't need to care about the agenda. To argue with it, is to feed it - to give the monster red, raw meat.

  69. @anon

    This shabbat is called the sabbath of remembrance, in which Jews are asked to remember--and to blot out--the nation of Amalek, infamous for murdering the weakest, most defenseless Israelites.
     
    According to Wikipedia:

    Although Egyptian and Assyrian monumental inscriptions and records of the period survive which list various tribes and peoples of the area, no reference has ever been found to Amalek or the Amalekites. Therefore, the archaeologist and historian Hugo Winckler suggested in 1895 that there were never any such people and the Biblical stories concerning them are entirely mythological and ahistorical.[19] While considerable knowledge about nomadic Arabs has been recovered through archeological research, no specific artifacts or sites have been linked to Amalek with any certainty.
     
    I think it's fun to ponder how different life would be if the kind of people who would make up a story like this weren't in charge of so much stuff. I've always thought of that with relation to the story of Jacob and Esau as well.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Thomas, @International Jew, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Pop Warner, @Stogumber

    I think it’s fun to ponder how different life would be if the kind of people who would make up a story like this weren’t in charge of so much stuff.

    Now if you get to pondering whether the making stuff up, or at least exaggerating, about past atrocities and blood enemies might be a trait that continued into more recent times, such as within the past century or so… you really might be cooking with gas, as they say.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Thomas

    Right. In general, I feel that, if you and your tribe are so pathologically vindictive that you actually make up entire groups of people, just so that you can have more people to hold a grudge against, and if you actually succeed in getting your descendants to continue to hold this grudge for thousands of years, you probably shouldn't really be surprised that you have a hard time getting along with other people.

    , @ThreeCranes
    @Thomas

    Well played, sir.

  70. @International Jew
    @Hypnotoad666

    I think the Times is becoming less Jewish. Few if any of those POC they've been promoting are Jewish. Indeed, they're the core wokesters who are going to drive more and more Jews away.

    Replies: @Simplepseudonymichandle

    Almost surely true.
    Trouble is: either and any-which-way, we seem condemned to have to deal-with/cope-with/respond-to/adapt-to, it’s agenda.
    i.e.: it says White Fragility is a bestseller. Is it? Is it really selling better than anything else? I more than doubt it and it’s well known NYT doesn’t decide best sellers based on sales.
    i.e.: it pushed the whole 1619 Project – which properly should have up’d, and poofed, like so many other fly-by-night ideas.
    Instead – full blow cottage industry and blowback is uphill.
    It may be as Weiss says, NYT editor is Twitter, so agenda is Twitter, not NYT – either way it seems like an indulgence to argue against the agenda of either, the subject should be how we dis-connect so we don’t need to care about the agenda. To argue with it, is to feed it – to give the monster red, raw meat.

  71. @Thomas
    One of the only good things about modern woke leftism is that it no longer accepts the hypocrisy and special pleading of Zionists. "Ethnostate for me, globalism for thee." Other than the flaming Old Testament hatreds (from someone born in Pittsburgh), Weiss was otherwise a garden-variety leftist.

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful, @Redman, @Hypnotoad666

    Other than the flaming Old Testament hatreds (from someone born in Pittsburgh), Weiss was otherwise a garden-variety leftist.

    Whether it’s for marketing or career purposes, or whatever, she has been trying hard to align herself with the “intellectual dark web” guys. She’s always name-dropping how she’s supposedly friends with Rogan (not sure he’d agree). But they could use a chick in their orbit even if she’s not really smart enough to say much that’s interesting.

    • Replies: @Thomas
    @Hypnotoad666


    Whether it’s for marketing or career purposes, or whatever, she has been trying hard to align herself with the “intellectual dark web” guys.
     
    Was that ever anything but a blatant effort to "Kosher sandwich" the alt-/dissident-right? It had little Shapiru as a member, for God's sake!
  72. anon[524] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomas
    @anon


    I think it’s fun to ponder how different life would be if the kind of people who would make up a story like this weren’t in charge of so much stuff.
     
    Now if you get to pondering whether the making stuff up, or at least exaggerating, about past atrocities and blood enemies might be a trait that continued into more recent times, such as within the past century or so... you really might be cooking with gas, as they say.

    Replies: @anon, @ThreeCranes

    Right. In general, I feel that, if you and your tribe are so pathologically vindictive that you actually make up entire groups of people, just so that you can have more people to hold a grudge against, and if you actually succeed in getting your descendants to continue to hold this grudge for thousands of years, you probably shouldn’t really be surprised that you have a hard time getting along with other people.

  73. @anon

    This shabbat is called the sabbath of remembrance, in which Jews are asked to remember--and to blot out--the nation of Amalek, infamous for murdering the weakest, most defenseless Israelites.
     
    According to Wikipedia:

    Although Egyptian and Assyrian monumental inscriptions and records of the period survive which list various tribes and peoples of the area, no reference has ever been found to Amalek or the Amalekites. Therefore, the archaeologist and historian Hugo Winckler suggested in 1895 that there were never any such people and the Biblical stories concerning them are entirely mythological and ahistorical.[19] While considerable knowledge about nomadic Arabs has been recovered through archeological research, no specific artifacts or sites have been linked to Amalek with any certainty.
     
    I think it's fun to ponder how different life would be if the kind of people who would make up a story like this weren't in charge of so much stuff. I've always thought of that with relation to the story of Jacob and Esau as well.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Thomas, @International Jew, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Pop Warner, @Stogumber

    As if the foundational myths of the Greeks and Romans are any truer.

    • Agree: Muggles
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @International Jew


    As if the foundational myths of the Greeks and Romans are any truer.
     
    True. But then nobody alive today takes those seriously.
    , @anon
    @International Jew

    If you can find any modern-day Greeks and Romans still holding grudges against imaginary people because of those myths, you might have a point.

    And if modern-day Greeks and Romans and their pathologies were in charge of our media and the organizations that determine what we're allowed to say on the internet, you might have even more of a point.

    But you'd be missing the larger point, which is the kinds of stories they are

    The stories your tribe makes up are all about how you're persecuted for no reason at all, which justifies your decision to commit genocide against others. You still make up stories like this today. Look at Sarah Silverman's famous tweet about #JewishPrivilege. Look at the replies. See all the Jews making up clearly ridiculous stories about persecution, that obviously never happened, but that they use to justify hating whites. You're still doing it. And you wonder why people don't like you.

    And don't get me started on the Jacob/Esau story, which is about how you should deceive your blind father on his deathbed to cheat your brother.

    Go ahead. Keep trying to tell me that that's normal.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Ian M.

    , @anon
    @International Jew

    As if the foundational myths of the Greeks and Romans are any truer.

    Sure, dude, but no one demands any kind of sacrifice in the name of Athena or wants to go on a kidnapping run into Sabine country. "Amalek" is always out there and anyone can get the label "Amalek of the Current Year" at any time. It's annoying and tiresome.

  74. @Altai
    This is why people on the left are saying all this new-found respect for freedom of speech by the centrist Jews and associates of the world seems like a con. Because, most likely it will turn out to be one.

    https://twitter.com/ardriboru/status/1254529370972135424

    Others are seeking to attack the flood head-on without sacrificing the ability to shut things down in future.

    https://twitter.com/i/events/1283293393032904704

    Replies: @Altai, @Simplepseudonymichandle

    We defend the right of Sinn Fein to speak and even hold representation.

  75. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/jdforward/status/898950202672861184

    Replies: @Sean, @Prof. Woland, @Mr. Anon

    Reading the replies to that headline, from Julia Ioffe, Jonathan Greenblatt (of the ADL) and others was interesting: disgusting, poor taste, offensive, etc. But what they were really saying was: “Dude, don’t be so obvious!”

  76. @International Jew
    @anon

    As if the foundational myths of the Greeks and Romans are any truer.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @anon, @anon

    As if the foundational myths of the Greeks and Romans are any truer.

    True. But then nobody alive today takes those seriously.

  77. New Slogan:

    Smiting the Amalekites for 5,000 years!

  78. @anon

    This shabbat is called the sabbath of remembrance, in which Jews are asked to remember--and to blot out--the nation of Amalek, infamous for murdering the weakest, most defenseless Israelites.
     
    According to Wikipedia:

    Although Egyptian and Assyrian monumental inscriptions and records of the period survive which list various tribes and peoples of the area, no reference has ever been found to Amalek or the Amalekites. Therefore, the archaeologist and historian Hugo Winckler suggested in 1895 that there were never any such people and the Biblical stories concerning them are entirely mythological and ahistorical.[19] While considerable knowledge about nomadic Arabs has been recovered through archeological research, no specific artifacts or sites have been linked to Amalek with any certainty.
     
    I think it's fun to ponder how different life would be if the kind of people who would make up a story like this weren't in charge of so much stuff. I've always thought of that with relation to the story of Jacob and Esau as well.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Thomas, @International Jew, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Pop Warner, @Stogumber

    I’ve always thought of that with relation to the story of Jacob and Esau as well.

    Quite a bit OT but…

    Anyone who’s thought about it much, realizes that the OT is full of stories where the younger son usurps or is superior to the older, e.g., Seth and Cain, Japheth and Ham, Ishmael and Isaac, Joseph and his brothers, Ephraim and Manasseh, Judah and his brothers, Moses and Aaron, Adonijah and his three older brothers, Solomon and Adonijah.

    The OT explains away these inversions of the usual, natural order with various narrative complications but there’s a much simpler, singular explanation. The OT was written by Judean scribes, returned to their native land by Cyrus, after their forced exile in Babylon. The archaeological record is clear that their Judea was a backward, second rate place compared with its older, northern rival Israel.

    The Judean scribes and redactors of the OT seem to smart under the sense of inferiority this creates. The Judean propaganda of the OT, particularly Chronicles and Kings, tries to reverse the reality by painting the earlier kingdom of Israel as being the lesser in every way. The Jewish dynasty, which archaeological and other records suggest was the most successful of all the verifiable Jewish dynasties, the Omrid rulers of Israel, come in for particular obloquy, precisely because they so successfully ruled the older, northern kingdom.

    The reversal of importance of older and younger brothers is just one further way of hammering home the propaganda point that younger, apparently less important Judah is the true heir of the Jewish covenant with their god versus the older, once far more important kingdom of Israel.

    • Replies: @Ian M.
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    If this is true, then why doesn't the O.T. portray Israel as being older than Judah?

  79. anon[524] • Disclaimer says:
    @International Jew
    @anon

    As if the foundational myths of the Greeks and Romans are any truer.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @anon, @anon

    If you can find any modern-day Greeks and Romans still holding grudges against imaginary people because of those myths, you might have a point.

    And if modern-day Greeks and Romans and their pathologies were in charge of our media and the organizations that determine what we’re allowed to say on the internet, you might have even more of a point.

    But you’d be missing the larger point, which is the kinds of stories they are

    The stories your tribe makes up are all about how you’re persecuted for no reason at all, which justifies your decision to commit genocide against others. You still make up stories like this today. Look at Sarah Silverman’s famous tweet about #JewishPrivilege. Look at the replies. See all the Jews making up clearly ridiculous stories about persecution, that obviously never happened, but that they use to justify hating whites. You’re still doing it. And you wonder why people don’t like you.

    And don’t get me started on the Jacob/Esau story, which is about how you should deceive your blind father on his deathbed to cheat your brother.

    Go ahead. Keep trying to tell me that that’s normal.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @anon


    If you can find any modern-day Greeks and Romans still holding grudges against imaginary people because of those myths, you might have a point.
    And if modern-day Greeks and Romans and their pathologies were in charge of our media and the organizations that determine what we’re allowed to say on the internet, you might have even more of a point.
     
    Here's the thing. It is common for people today to invoke examples from the past to shape future policy. It could be ancient history or recent history. Consider how often Hitler and WWII are invoked to justify current animus.
    And people have compared the Anglo-Germanic rivalry, US-Soviet Cold War, and possible Sino-US Cold War in relation to Athens vs Sparta.

    That said, Greco-Roman mythology are regarded today as fantasies of the mind. Thus, people think of them less than stories in the Bible. Many people still believe in God, and even non-believers are knowledgeable of Biblical stories and examples. If Jews seem to have deeper and more ancient hatreds, it's because they have deeper memories. A person who was done wrong little but has deep memory is bound to be more angry than a person who was done wrong a lot but has shallow memory. Jews have deep memory and remember lots of great wrongs done to Jews(though Jews tend to celebrate as holidays the times when Jews whupped others). Blacks aren't much into memory, and if not for Jewish Power acting as memory bank for the blacks, blacks might be less angry about the past. But Jewish media give us endless doses of MISSISSIPPI BURNING, ROOTS and its remake, DJANGO UNCHAINED, SELMA, 12 YRS A SLAVE, GREEN BOOK, and etc. and so many blacks think half the black population was lynched by KKK.

    And it's not just Bari Weiss who invokes the ancient past. Max Blumenthal wrote a book called GOLIATH where Zionism is the Goliath over Palestinians, the new Davids. (Malcolm Gladwell got in some trouble by making the same point, though without the anti-Zionist polemic.) And John Judis wrote a book called GENESIS, but not about the creation of Eden but about Israel and all the machinations it entailed.
    And White Christians have a long history of invoking stories in the Bible, Old and New, to justify their visions and actions. Mormons really took this to a new level by turning New World History as extension of stories in the Old Testament.

    Replies: @anon

    , @Ian M.
    @anon


    And don’t get me started on the Jacob/Esau story, which is about how you should deceive your blind father on his deathbed to cheat your brother.
     
    No it's not. If you knew the story, you would recognize its well-crafted retributive symmetry. Jacob commits an immoral deception, but then becomes the victim of a major deception himself. In addition, as a result of cheating his brother of his birthright, he must flee his homeland.

    Replies: @anon

  80. I love how all the anti-“Zionist” “experts” seem to think the NYT is pro-Israel.

  81. anon[104] • Disclaimer says:
    @International Jew
    @anon

    As if the foundational myths of the Greeks and Romans are any truer.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @anon, @anon

    As if the foundational myths of the Greeks and Romans are any truer.

    Sure, dude, but no one demands any kind of sacrifice in the name of Athena or wants to go on a kidnapping run into Sabine country. “Amalek” is always out there and anyone can get the label “Amalek of the Current Year” at any time. It’s annoying and tiresome.

  82. @IHTG
    I realize you lack sympathy, but it would be charitable to at least link to Bari's resignation letter. I agree with Aaron Gross that it might be the best thing she's ever written.

    Replies: @Nodwink, @Escher, @Jane Plain, @Barnard, @J1234

    I see her letter in a generally positive light, not as something that’s “hypocritical and hilarious,” as the intense left puts it. The fact that they would describe it that way is enough to keep me from following the same path.

    It’s amazing how “right wing” Bari Weiss has become in the last 24 hours, according to standardized journalism. A couple of years ago, she could publicly describe herself as a liberal to people like Bill Mahr, and neither he or anyone else would bat an eye. Now she’s an enemy of the people, so things have changed.

  83. @Ron Unz

    I’m not exactly sure what Ms. Weiss is implying by her response to the Ambassador’s admirable sentiment, but if I were Steve Bannon, well, I wouldn’t drink from a glass from her hand.
     
    Exactly. Someone else was hailing Weiss's Free Speech heroism on a different off-topic thread, but my response is more appropriate here:

    Perhaps you’re just totally ignorant, but Bari Weiss was a fanatic Jewish Neocon, and a particularly unpleasant and mediocre one, best known for her efforts to purge critics of Israel from our universities:

    https://www.unz.com/jcook/cancel-culture-letter-is-about-stifling-free-speech-not-protecting-it/

    Lord knows that the NYT has huge problems, but one of its few positive features is that unlike most other MSM outlets, it’s not 100% under Neocon control, merely 50%. Such “anti-Semitism” totally outraged Weiss, and apparently spurred her departure. Maybe she’ll go back to the WSJ Op-Ed page, which is her natural home.

    Getting rid of Weiss is about the only good thing the NYT has recently done…
     
    https://www.unz.com/announcement/bugs-suggestions/#comment-4034251

    Basically, she was (a junior version of) Yezhov, the NKVD Chief who spearheaded Stalin's Great Purge of the 1930s, but then was horrified to discover that his own time had come at the end of it.

    Similarly, David Frum had led the attempt to purge of Bush's Iraq War critics from the media, and now signed that "Free Speech/Free Thought" declaration in Harpers. I also noticed several other names of people who were eager to purge anyone who questioned the crazy Russiagate Hoax.

    Some of the Harpers signers seemed principled and sincere, but many of them were just worried that they might now become purgees instead of purgers...

    Replies: @Altai, @Chrisnonymous, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Pop Warner

    Thank you, Mr. Unz. For me it’s getting ever harder to distinguish the various elements of the prog coalition.

    Like the tentacles of Shub-Niggurath, the goat with a thousand young, when not seeking to destroy the universe the contending pieces of this negotium perambulans noctis, tend to practice wreaking destruction upon one another.

  84. @kaganovitch
    @Kolya Krassotkin

    (I wonder: when King Herod murdered his wife and son and others he suspected of treachery, did he imagine they’d become Amalek?)

    This is utterly absurd. Herod's commitment to traditional Judaism was basically nil. He was a thoroughgoing Roman partisan and had zero interest in the elimination of Amalekites.

    Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin, @Pop Warner

    My remark was a stab at humor, but everyone who sees Amalekites hiding under every bed and behind every bush does have serious mental problems, including lesbians from Squirrel Hill.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Kolya Krassotkin

    Fair enough.

  85. what’s this? an actual discussion on this blog about what’s really happening? wow.

    if only that had been allowed the entire time, maybe we’d have figured out a way to get out of this mess that didn’t involve conflict.

    i wonder how how much progress oncologists would make in treating tumors if they were never allowed to discuss cancer or cell theory at all.

  86. @RichardTaylor
    Bari Weiss was never that bright and obviously had connections to get that job. She was on Joe Rogan and didn't even have basic information about the world. It was shocking.

    While she came off as likable in a cute sort of way, she seemed borderline ditzy.

    They don't make Ashkenazim like they used to. Relax! I kid! I kid!

    Replies: @Dieter Kief, @Bumpkin, @Hypnotoad666, @Cortes, @Nicholas Stix, @Skylark Thibedeau, @Pheasant

    Not even as funny as Mrs Maisel but just as clueless. Let’s call her Midge.

  87. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Sean

    Trump talks big but he has consistently rolled over whenever Xi applies real pressure. Trump has notieceably said very little about Hong Kong. His kids have a lot of money at stake as well, Ivanka and Jared are working overtime to make sure the rhetoric doesn't turn into reality. If Trump wins re-election expect an immediate pivot to Trump preserving peace in our time and working on a global initiative hand-in-hand with the PRC to fight the virus and save the economy. All the Kung Flu talk will go down the memory hole.

    Replies: @Sean

    Trump talks big but he has consistently rolled over whenever Xi applies real pressure.

    With eighteen years of unbroken economic success to consolidate his regime and official authority in a homogenous country without a meaningful civil society opposition, Xi is ideally positioned to stand firm against Trump. For now.

    His kids have a lot of money at stake as well, Ivanka and Jared are working overtime to make sure the rhetoric doesn’t turn into reality

    Trump has to win another term to overcome the opposition to his reforms. Roosevelt was frustrated by the courts in his first term, but when he was re-elected the legalist pettifogging about the Constitution prohibiting his measures disappeared. It was the will of the people.

    Going all out against China– and by now it is clear that purely economic measures will prove insufficient– would require a much more united country than Trump has been able to muster so far. He cannot deal with either immigration or Middle East wars without alienating powerful sectors of the American elite. Hence Ivanka and Jared are promoted as softening his policy on those matters. The Chinese are of course trying to buy influence with the Trump family, but for decades the whole US elite has been massively incentivised into defeatist collaboration with Chinese growth. That’s the problem. Xi will see a different Trump if he is re-elected. Stopping the rise of China to parity with the IS will require a great deal of Wall Street current investments to go sour. At present the index and pensions funds of America remain committed to China’s growth continuing and the universities have come to depend on those millions of students from China.

    All the Kung Flu talk will go down the memory hole.

    Like the previous time they initially covered up a pandemic with SAARs. They have done it twice now and cannot be trusted not to again, with God knows what consequences the next time. Even Boris Johnson seeing them for what they are; he is going to be forced to reverse his decision and exclude China from Britain’s 5G infrastructure. And it was the WuFlu. Wuhan: same place the Fentanyl was made.

    Bari Weiss must truly despise white gentiles, and see not Israel but Wall Street as the beating heart of the Jewish people. She is willing to see the presidency of Israel’s greatest benefactor end after one term. She wants the Deaths of Despair to continue: Fentanyl to sedate the feared and loathed goys and COVID-19 to finish them off. Both straight out of Wuhan. Bari has no worries about Israel, which is half the size of the aforementioned ninth-most populous Chinese city where the synthetic opioid and coronavirus epidemics were made. No wonder Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is making deals with China. Just like China’s other pal, Iran, Israel understands that China rather than America is going to be running things in future. With friends like that Israel’s future is not is doubt.

  88. the notion of smiting this vile website makes me hard

  89. Anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    @International Jew

    If you can find any modern-day Greeks and Romans still holding grudges against imaginary people because of those myths, you might have a point.

    And if modern-day Greeks and Romans and their pathologies were in charge of our media and the organizations that determine what we're allowed to say on the internet, you might have even more of a point.

    But you'd be missing the larger point, which is the kinds of stories they are

    The stories your tribe makes up are all about how you're persecuted for no reason at all, which justifies your decision to commit genocide against others. You still make up stories like this today. Look at Sarah Silverman's famous tweet about #JewishPrivilege. Look at the replies. See all the Jews making up clearly ridiculous stories about persecution, that obviously never happened, but that they use to justify hating whites. You're still doing it. And you wonder why people don't like you.

    And don't get me started on the Jacob/Esau story, which is about how you should deceive your blind father on his deathbed to cheat your brother.

    Go ahead. Keep trying to tell me that that's normal.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Ian M.

    If you can find any modern-day Greeks and Romans still holding grudges against imaginary people because of those myths, you might have a point.
    And if modern-day Greeks and Romans and their pathologies were in charge of our media and the organizations that determine what we’re allowed to say on the internet, you might have even more of a point.

    Here’s the thing. It is common for people today to invoke examples from the past to shape future policy. It could be ancient history or recent history. Consider how often Hitler and WWII are invoked to justify current animus.
    And people have compared the Anglo-Germanic rivalry, US-Soviet Cold War, and possible Sino-US Cold War in relation to Athens vs Sparta.

    That said, Greco-Roman mythology are regarded today as fantasies of the mind. Thus, people think of them less than stories in the Bible. Many people still believe in God, and even non-believers are knowledgeable of Biblical stories and examples. If Jews seem to have deeper and more ancient hatreds, it’s because they have deeper memories. A person who was done wrong little but has deep memory is bound to be more angry than a person who was done wrong a lot but has shallow memory. Jews have deep memory and remember lots of great wrongs done to Jews(though Jews tend to celebrate as holidays the times when Jews whupped others). Blacks aren’t much into memory, and if not for Jewish Power acting as memory bank for the blacks, blacks might be less angry about the past. But Jewish media give us endless doses of MISSISSIPPI BURNING, ROOTS and its remake, DJANGO UNCHAINED, SELMA, 12 YRS A SLAVE, GREEN BOOK, and etc. and so many blacks think half the black population was lynched by KKK.

    And it’s not just Bari Weiss who invokes the ancient past. Max Blumenthal wrote a book called GOLIATH where Zionism is the Goliath over Palestinians, the new Davids. (Malcolm Gladwell got in some trouble by making the same point, though without the anti-Zionist polemic.) And John Judis wrote a book called GENESIS, but not about the creation of Eden but about Israel and all the machinations it entailed.
    And White Christians have a long history of invoking stories in the Bible, Old and New, to justify their visions and actions. Mormons really took this to a new level by turning New World History as extension of stories in the Old Testament.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Anonymous

    If Jews seem to have deeper and more ancient hatreds, it’s because they have deeper memories.

    Memories of people that never existed and events that never happened?

    No. They're just hateful people. That's WHY they made up the particular stories they made up.

    Jews have deep memory and remember lots of great wrongs done to Jews(though Jews tend to celebrate as holidays the times when Jews whupped others)

    No. They made them all up. The book of Esther? Totally made up. The story about being slaves in Egypt? Made up.

    They make up all these stories to justify how nasty they are to other people. It's the same thing they do now. As I said. Look at all the stories about having pennies thrown at them everywhere they go, or having people access them of having horns. Those things never happen. They make them up to justify their hatred of whites. It's all they've ever done.

    Even the times the goyim really have persecuted them, they never seem to remember why we did it.

    Like, look at all the Jews complaining about how Spain kicked them out in 1492. Notice how they never explain why the Spaniards kicked them out, or what was going on in Spain just prior to 1492? That doesn't sound to me like they just have long memories.

    As I said before. If you have to actually make up entire groups of people, for no other reason than so you can have more people to hold a grudge against, then there is something wrong with you. Stop trying to sugarcoat it.

  90. @Hypnotoad666
    @Thomas


    Other than the flaming Old Testament hatreds (from someone born in Pittsburgh), Weiss was otherwise a garden-variety leftist.
     
    Whether it's for marketing or career purposes, or whatever, she has been trying hard to align herself with the "intellectual dark web" guys. She's always name-dropping how she's supposedly friends with Rogan (not sure he'd agree). But they could use a chick in their orbit even if she's not really smart enough to say much that's interesting.

    Replies: @Thomas

    Whether it’s for marketing or career purposes, or whatever, she has been trying hard to align herself with the “intellectual dark web” guys.

    Was that ever anything but a blatant effort to “Kosher sandwich” the alt-/dissident-right? It had little Shapiru as a member, for God’s sake!

  91. @Not Only Wrathful
    @Thomas

    It just accepts the special pleading of the 90+% of the world that isn't white.

    With more clarity, Jews are constantly in danger of fully falling into the negative "white" category, which, given the history of them being killed for not being white enough, is a particularly nasty kind of sick. They therefore seem much more motivated to fight it, even the rich and successful ones. Unlike the much larger number of rich and successful non-Jewish whites.

    Not that the demonisation of people for the colour of their skin is ever good. Demonisation is as much a form of self-harm, by denying what you associate with the demonic, in yourself, and obviously also a way of harming the other.

    Replies: @Thomas

    With more clarity, Jews are constantly in danger of fully falling into the negative “white” category, which, given the history of them being killed for not being white enough, is a particularly nasty kind of sick.

    There is no history of Jews being killed for “not being white enough.” Nazi racial typology was orthogonal to what the rest of the world generally considers white. (They didn’t include the Poles or Russians as “Aryan” either.) The idea of white Jews somehow ever having been considered “not white” is just an effort to cram anti-semitism into the narrow boxes of racism, when it’s something else and has always been something else. That plus the “flight from white.”

    • Replies: @Not Only Wrathful
    @Thomas

    Lots of people here want Jews dead and say they're not white. Lots of people who have murdered them have claimed the same.

    At the same time, the "flight from white" is a rationally fearful response to current events.

  92. @anon
    @Dieter Kief

    But her IDW-article was quite something – not lest the portrait-photos – and a triumph for Eric Weinstein.

    That would be the Eric Weinstein who considers blacks to be "superachievers", wouldn't it?

    https://mobile.twitter.com/EricRWeinstein/status/1282449094716223489


    Cards on the table: I‘m in awe of Black *achievement* and am shocked by desires to tell others like us that we‘re all fine because we are pink and may finally have 2 sheckles to rub together. Our two communities don’t belong in the oppression Olympics. We‘re both superachievers.
     
    I guess as long as he's triumphant, everything is OK.

    Incidentally, my other favorite line from that kvetch-thread is this: "Grandfather Schmelik escaped execution by spooking a Cossack’s horse.".

    No, Eric. No he didn't. I believe that he told you that, and that you believed him. But you see, (and I hate to have to be the one to explain this to you) sometimes Grandfathers tell little boys stories of exciting, highly entertaining events that are not, strictly speaking, true. I would imagine that this phenomenon is even more prominent in communities that revere people such as Elie Wiesel, who once won a Nobel Peace Prize for doing so. But I couldn't say for certain.

    Replies: @Altai, @Dieter Kief

    Somebody should ask him if he supported Apartheid in South Africa and if not, if he thinks it is more or less likely to have continued on or ended in bloodshed if there were massive numbers of Afrikaners in the US media and academia running interference for the regime.

    Or, if he notes any non-rational reasons that some US citizens are more likely to be concerned about people being too harsh on Israel.

  93. @anon
    From her letter:

    Part of me wishes I could say that my experience was unique. But the truth is that intellectual curiosity—let alone risk-taking—is now a liability at The Times. Why edit something challenging to our readers, or write something bold only to go through the numbing process of making it ideologically kosher
     
    "Ideologically kosher" is an interesting choice of words to describe the constraints upon what we're allowed to say, and who people have to appease in order to get a career in journalism. I agree with it, of course, but it's funny how she gets about 90% of the way to a realization, but then stops just short.

    But the lessons that ought to have followed the election—lessons about the importance of understanding other Americans, the necessity of resisting tribalism
     
    Yes, if there's one thing Bari Weiss can't stand, it's putting loyalty to a Tribe above all else. I've noticed that in her writings.

    Replies: @Anon, @Bugg, @HammerJack

    See Jody Rosen in the LA Times. We must replace the National Anthem with Bill Withers’ “Lean On Me” — Rosen says that the “Star-Spangled Banner” is way too Anglo. And naturally Anglo is about the same as Nazi.

    https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/music/story/2020-07-14/national-anthem-star-spangled-banner-lean-on-me

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @HammerJack

    Jews have been at the forefront of wanting to replace the Star-Spangled Banner" for decades, first with "America The Beautiful" and then Irving Berlin's "God Bless America". Today, neither of those songs are politically correct enough either. I remember the Marty Peretz era The New Republic running article after article on changing the National Anthem.

    Lets just suppose you did make "Lean On Me" the National Anthem, whites would then be attacked for singing it as an act of cultural appropriation.

    It is all Critical Theory run amok. It is all about humiliating and disorienting the historical American nation.

    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2020/07/15/what-is-critical-theory/

    That said God bless the recently deceased Bill Whithers, the documentary on his life "Still Bill" is very worthwhile.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Joe Stalin

  94. @Prof. Woland
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Steve Bannon is like Prometheus. He stole fire. In effect, by developing alternative new outlets and technologies, the populace can now bypass the media severely eroding its power. This is not popular with a particular (((tribe))) that monopolized the media and resents and fears losing it's grip.

    Bannon's crime is that he was the face of that movement. His high profile role in Breitbart and support of Trump personalized these inevitable changes that are occurring. Heretofore, most of these changes were furthered by anonymous or obscure personalities that were bringing change one minor development at a a time but now this was attached to a person who needed to be destroyed for his crime, and what better way than to call him a .... RACIST.

    Replies: @Prof. Woland, @Nicholas Stix

    To add a footnote, Alex Jones inhabits the same real estate as Bannon. His real crime is that he built a television station (for lack of a better word) something that both challenges the current media power structure while thumbing its nose at it. Don’t underestimate how much Jews hate and fear Goys that are poaching on “their turf”. This has little to do with content and everything to do with power.

  95. @Thomas
    @Not Only Wrathful


    With more clarity, Jews are constantly in danger of fully falling into the negative “white” category, which, given the history of them being killed for not being white enough, is a particularly nasty kind of sick.
     
    There is no history of Jews being killed for "not being white enough." Nazi racial typology was orthogonal to what the rest of the world generally considers white. (They didn't include the Poles or Russians as "Aryan" either.) The idea of white Jews somehow ever having been considered "not white" is just an effort to cram anti-semitism into the narrow boxes of racism, when it's something else and has always been something else. That plus the "flight from white."

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful

    Lots of people here want Jews dead and say they’re not white. Lots of people who have murdered them have claimed the same.

    At the same time, the “flight from white” is a rationally fearful response to current events.

    • Troll: HammerJack
  96. @The Alarmist
    Ms. Weiss was most eloquent as she mounted the scaffold.

    Replies: @Eagle Eye, @Kratoklastes

    “Nothing in her job became her like the leaving it.”

  97. @New Dealer
    @Dieter Kief

    Reposting:


    https://youtu.be/jS-sxJFn6O0

    Replies: @anon, @Dieter Kief

    Thanks!

  98. @anon

    This shabbat is called the sabbath of remembrance, in which Jews are asked to remember--and to blot out--the nation of Amalek, infamous for murdering the weakest, most defenseless Israelites.
     
    According to Wikipedia:

    Although Egyptian and Assyrian monumental inscriptions and records of the period survive which list various tribes and peoples of the area, no reference has ever been found to Amalek or the Amalekites. Therefore, the archaeologist and historian Hugo Winckler suggested in 1895 that there were never any such people and the Biblical stories concerning them are entirely mythological and ahistorical.[19] While considerable knowledge about nomadic Arabs has been recovered through archeological research, no specific artifacts or sites have been linked to Amalek with any certainty.
     
    I think it's fun to ponder how different life would be if the kind of people who would make up a story like this weren't in charge of so much stuff. I've always thought of that with relation to the story of Jacob and Esau as well.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Thomas, @International Jew, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Pop Warner, @Stogumber

    The people we call jews are the actual children of Esau and Amalek. During the Babylonian captivity the land of Judah was settled by Edomites (descended from Esau) and as Judeans re-exerted control of their little sphere they had the Edomites forcibly converted to Judaism. Even the famous Herod the Great was an Edomite through his mother (how do jews track lineage, again?).

    If Ashkenazim really are descended from Hebrews/Judeans (I have my doubts) that means Bari Weiss and the rest of her tribe are Amalek’s descendants.

  99. With her deep, deep voice, and those lyrics all these years i’d just assumed he/she was a big black guy. A Jewish lesbian? Seriously?

    This trans stuff is really getting out of hand.

  100. Lot says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    @Ron Unz

    In the current days' weird game of ideological friends and enemies, Unz and Steve respond to a NY Times editor's revelation that the newspaper of broken record is held hostage to Soros' woke minions by gleefully rejoicing that a "Neocon" got kicked on the way down.

    Unz and Steve rely on the NYTimes. Why? According to Unz, it's because the NYT is only 50% Neocon, unlike the other news outlets. However, if this has been the case all along (explaining why Unz and Steve read it), then the NYT was doing its less-Neocon thing while Bari Weiss was helping guide it. Presumably, then, Unz and Steve are happy to see Bari Weiss go to change the NYT's Neocon subservience from 50% to less than 50%, and for that they are happy to see the paper handed over to the Woke Left. This is either 4D chess accelerationism or stupidity induced by their Neocon obsessions.

    Unz's response above was originally given in answer to my question about whether Unz and Steve would finally now throw the NYT overboard instead of continuing to treat it like it deserves to be the US's flagship news outlet. I guess we know the answer. Unz and Steve's very blue state, very California I-may-be-a-conspiracy-theorist-but-at-least-I-read-the-Times-unlike-flyover-country-bumpkins social signaling trumps the opportunity to dump on this toilet-paper-worthy rag.

    Replies: @Lot

    I think more charitably to Steve, he reads the NYT because it is one of three national American newspapers, the other being the even worse WaPo and the strictly paywalled WSJ.

    Some free NYT alternatives:

    Latimes.com – Good west coast coverage, similar to NYT for national coverage but not as extensive

    reuters.com – an underused gem. no paywalls, not even leaky NYT style. ads are pretty restrained. like the WSJ, it is business-news focused but also provides general news.

    DailyMail – hard to read without an adblocker, downscale, but nonetheless provides high quality non-woke US news coverage. Probably a top 5 newspaper website in the USA by now.

    Daily Express http://www.express.co.uk – Excellent UK and Europe news from a conservative nationalist perspective. Nothing like it in the USA, closest thing would be the online-only Breitbart. 93% of readers support Cecil Rhodes statutes:

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1293840/Cecil-Rhodes-statue-removed-oxford-university-protests-black-lives-matter

    I also don’t think Steve uses “Neocon” anymore to refer to contemporary figures, recognizing the term lost all usefulness except as a historical descriptor after about 2012.

    My view of Beri is that’s she’s as cute as a button, and that anti-woke liberals like her form a pool of potential Republican voters.

    Remember, white population share decline means every year the GOP needs to increase its share of the white vote by about half a percentage point. That means flipping people who regularly voted Democrat and do not consider themselves conservatives such as Bari.

    • Thanks: Dieter Kief
    • Replies: @Ian M.
    @Lot


    My view of Beri is that’s she’s as cute as a button, and that anti-woke liberals like her form a pool of potential Republican voters.

    Remember, white population share decline means every year the GOP needs to increase its share of the white vote by about half a percentage point. That means flipping people who regularly voted Democrat and do not consider themselves conservatives such as Bari.
     
    It also means moving the Republican Party further left.

    Replies: @Lot

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @Lot

    I used "Neocon" because that was a term Unz used. Substitute "Zionist" or "Jew". I don't care. In Unz-world, they all mean the same thing.

    Glad you get it about white voters. The Weinstein brothers (Eric and Brett) are exemplars of trending anti-woke. Far from Republican voters yet, but let the chaos reign a bit more and we shall see.

    As Ezra Klein correctly stated in his "devil knows the scriptures" way, inhabiting the free speech high ground is very powerful. Let's not muddy the waters with this anti-Zionist schadenfreude Unz and Steve are exhibiting.

  101. @El Dato
    @Cortes

    Excellent!


    They struck them down until not one of them was left alive.
     
    Lack of strategy and awareness of who is your opponent sucks. People will remember you as Greatest Suckers On Earth and just laugh.

    2012 US Palestinian Community Network: Granting No Quarter: A Call for the Disavowal of the Racism and Antisemitism of Gilad Atzmon

    Replies: @Cortes

    That chapter concludes

  102. @anon

    This shabbat is called the sabbath of remembrance, in which Jews are asked to remember--and to blot out--the nation of Amalek, infamous for murdering the weakest, most defenseless Israelites.
     
    According to Wikipedia:

    Although Egyptian and Assyrian monumental inscriptions and records of the period survive which list various tribes and peoples of the area, no reference has ever been found to Amalek or the Amalekites. Therefore, the archaeologist and historian Hugo Winckler suggested in 1895 that there were never any such people and the Biblical stories concerning them are entirely mythological and ahistorical.[19] While considerable knowledge about nomadic Arabs has been recovered through archeological research, no specific artifacts or sites have been linked to Amalek with any certainty.
     
    I think it's fun to ponder how different life would be if the kind of people who would make up a story like this weren't in charge of so much stuff. I've always thought of that with relation to the story of Jacob and Esau as well.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Thomas, @International Jew, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Pop Warner, @Stogumber

    As far as I know, the story of Esther and Haman is an invention, too. (Haman was said to be an offspring of the Amalekites.)
    Now it is quite nice to learn that some genocides did never happen. On the other hand: which kind of imagination must people have for to invent such stories of genocides?

  103. @Dieter Kief
    @RichardTaylor

    Joe Rogan sat there transfixed, letting this public self-destruction of Bari Weiss just roll on and on...

    But her IDW-article was quite something - not lest the portrait-photos - and a triumph for Eric Weinstein.

    Replies: @anon, @New Dealer, @Pop Warner

    Naturally she loves the IDW because in reality it’s the Kosher Dark Web: all of their opinions (and most of their members) are certified kosher. It’s being propped out as a dissident group even though none of their ideas actually challenge the status quo and are only considered out of the mainstream because the mainstream has lurched so far in one direction.

    The truth is that they’re gatekeepers, playing their part as the most “extreme” opinions in the public discourse while they do the same work of censoring and smearing anybody to their right. Small wonder they’re filled with or endorsed by neocons, they served the same function in purging all non-kosher beliefs from mainstream conservatism. And as always, the censorship they decry is just dandy when it’s enforced against people beyond the gate (“don’t censor us, censor those evil nazis instead we’re the good guys too!”) Just like with the neocons, it’s as good as controlled opposition giving people the illusion of choice.

    In her interview with Joe Rogan, Bari Weiss went on about Zionism and her Jewish identity but spared no words when attacking whites who act in their interest and called the demographic replacement of whites in their home countries a “conspiracy theory.” She’s just as monstrous as those who ran her out of the Sulzberger Times, the only difference is her blood libel isn’t quite extreme enough.

    • Agree: Ron Unz
    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @Pop Warner


    Naturally she loves the IDW because in reality it’s the Kosher Dark Web
     
    This might well be the role that she should have fulfilled, but she missed that goal badly. And now she gets punished for that.

    Why she failed, seen from the perspective of the NYT is because she did add poisonous Dave Rubin and - maybe most disastrously (still seen from the NYT's destructive (="woke") perspective: The race realists Jordan Peterson, (Sam Harris) and especially: Claire Lehmann and her anti-wokeist and anti-Stephen Jay Gould type irrationalism - her decently enlightened magazine Quillette. Seen from the NYT's perspective, she failed here badly. Add Steven Pinker to that "poisonous" mix she served with the IDW label.

    As Dave Rubin twittered these days: Bari Weiss had been warned about the far left (in the NYT not least), but she did not only resist to hear this warning, she even censored Dave Rubin's statement about the dangers of the far left in her IDW portrait of him.

    Replies: @Ron Unz

  104. @Kolya Krassotkin
    @kaganovitch

    My remark was a stab at humor, but everyone who sees Amalekites hiding under every bed and behind every bush does have serious mental problems, including lesbians from Squirrel Hill.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    Fair enough.

  105. @anon
    @Dieter Kief

    But her IDW-article was quite something – not lest the portrait-photos – and a triumph for Eric Weinstein.

    That would be the Eric Weinstein who considers blacks to be "superachievers", wouldn't it?

    https://mobile.twitter.com/EricRWeinstein/status/1282449094716223489


    Cards on the table: I‘m in awe of Black *achievement* and am shocked by desires to tell others like us that we‘re all fine because we are pink and may finally have 2 sheckles to rub together. Our two communities don’t belong in the oppression Olympics. We‘re both superachievers.
     
    I guess as long as he's triumphant, everything is OK.

    Incidentally, my other favorite line from that kvetch-thread is this: "Grandfather Schmelik escaped execution by spooking a Cossack’s horse.".

    No, Eric. No he didn't. I believe that he told you that, and that you believed him. But you see, (and I hate to have to be the one to explain this to you) sometimes Grandfathers tell little boys stories of exciting, highly entertaining events that are not, strictly speaking, true. I would imagine that this phenomenon is even more prominent in communities that revere people such as Elie Wiesel, who once won a Nobel Peace Prize for doing so. But I couldn't say for certain.

    Replies: @Altai, @Dieter Kief

    The IDW was a big step forward for – the enlightenment ideas in the anglosphere – and even in Germany. And Eric Weinstein did spark this – the label and the NYT article was a big success – and mostly his, Eric Weinstein’s.

    Frankly, I don’t know whether he liked what followed. Most likely not. Because the IDW thing soon started to fall into pieces and is now history, I’d say.

    If Bari Weiss would be smarter, she might not have written that article. Seen from the NYT’s perspective, it was no good. Seen from the perspective of knowledge and freedom, it was a big thing. It helped secure Dave Rubin’s and Sam Harris’ position. And not least – and maybe most important of all, it helped pave the way to turn Claire Lehmann and Quillette into the international success story, that it has become.
    Now I think of Toby Young even and, his Free Speech Union. – Great!

    • Replies: @anon
    @Dieter Kief

    If Bari Weiss would be smarter, she might not have written that article.

    View the vid she did with Joe Rogan, especially the part where she says Tulsi Gabbard is an Assad "toady" and Rogan asks her what that means. What does the word "toady" mean? Pay attention to Weiss's facial expression in that moment. She's not some college girl intern who got caught not paying attention in a staff meeting. This is a video interview of NYT journo-list, former WSJ journo-list, and someone highly regarded by journo-lists in Israel. This is her "A" game on display.

    She snit-fit quit her job and that's a win for all of us. For the entertainment lolz value at least.

    Dude, if lead was more like gold then we might use it in jewelry.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    , @ben tillman
    @Dieter Kief


    If Bari Weiss would be smarter . . . .
     
    Konjunktiv -- man sagt "were".

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

  106. @Ron Unz

    I’m not exactly sure what Ms. Weiss is implying by her response to the Ambassador’s admirable sentiment, but if I were Steve Bannon, well, I wouldn’t drink from a glass from her hand.
     
    Exactly. Someone else was hailing Weiss's Free Speech heroism on a different off-topic thread, but my response is more appropriate here:

    Perhaps you’re just totally ignorant, but Bari Weiss was a fanatic Jewish Neocon, and a particularly unpleasant and mediocre one, best known for her efforts to purge critics of Israel from our universities:

    https://www.unz.com/jcook/cancel-culture-letter-is-about-stifling-free-speech-not-protecting-it/

    Lord knows that the NYT has huge problems, but one of its few positive features is that unlike most other MSM outlets, it’s not 100% under Neocon control, merely 50%. Such “anti-Semitism” totally outraged Weiss, and apparently spurred her departure. Maybe she’ll go back to the WSJ Op-Ed page, which is her natural home.

    Getting rid of Weiss is about the only good thing the NYT has recently done…
     
    https://www.unz.com/announcement/bugs-suggestions/#comment-4034251

    Basically, she was (a junior version of) Yezhov, the NKVD Chief who spearheaded Stalin's Great Purge of the 1930s, but then was horrified to discover that his own time had come at the end of it.

    Similarly, David Frum had led the attempt to purge of Bush's Iraq War critics from the media, and now signed that "Free Speech/Free Thought" declaration in Harpers. I also noticed several other names of people who were eager to purge anyone who questioned the crazy Russiagate Hoax.

    Some of the Harpers signers seemed principled and sincere, but many of them were just worried that they might now become purgees instead of purgers...

    Replies: @Altai, @Chrisnonymous, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Pop Warner

    None of the people who signed that letter gave a damn about pro-whites and other right wing dissidents being purged, censored, and persecuted by the state and capitalist establishment. They only care about cancel culture now because it’s coming after them and their friends. I have no sympathy for any one of those fat hypocrites, you reap what you sow

  107. anonymous[267] • Disclaimer says:
    @HammerJack
    @anon

    See Jody Rosen in the LA Times. We must replace the National Anthem with Bill Withers' "Lean On Me" -- Rosen says that the "Star-Spangled Banner" is way too Anglo. And naturally Anglo is about the same as Nazi.

    https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/music/story/2020-07-14/national-anthem-star-spangled-banner-lean-on-me

    Replies: @anonymous

    Jews have been at the forefront of wanting to replace the Star-Spangled Banner” for decades, first with “America The Beautiful” and then Irving Berlin’s “God Bless America”. Today, neither of those songs are politically correct enough either. I remember the Marty Peretz era The New Republic running article after article on changing the National Anthem.

    Lets just suppose you did make “Lean On Me” the National Anthem, whites would then be attacked for singing it as an act of cultural appropriation.

    It is all Critical Theory run amok. It is all about humiliating and disorienting the historical American nation.

    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2020/07/15/what-is-critical-theory/

    That said God bless the recently deceased Bill Whithers, the documentary on his life “Still Bill” is very worthwhile.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @anonymous

    I am sure Whithers never intended "Lean On Me" as a subversive marxist anthem. He would be rolling in his grave if he knew what Jews would try to do with his song.

    , @Joe Stalin
    @anonymous

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOjfqX9eQZY

  108. anon[367] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    @anon


    If you can find any modern-day Greeks and Romans still holding grudges against imaginary people because of those myths, you might have a point.
    And if modern-day Greeks and Romans and their pathologies were in charge of our media and the organizations that determine what we’re allowed to say on the internet, you might have even more of a point.
     
    Here's the thing. It is common for people today to invoke examples from the past to shape future policy. It could be ancient history or recent history. Consider how often Hitler and WWII are invoked to justify current animus.
    And people have compared the Anglo-Germanic rivalry, US-Soviet Cold War, and possible Sino-US Cold War in relation to Athens vs Sparta.

    That said, Greco-Roman mythology are regarded today as fantasies of the mind. Thus, people think of them less than stories in the Bible. Many people still believe in God, and even non-believers are knowledgeable of Biblical stories and examples. If Jews seem to have deeper and more ancient hatreds, it's because they have deeper memories. A person who was done wrong little but has deep memory is bound to be more angry than a person who was done wrong a lot but has shallow memory. Jews have deep memory and remember lots of great wrongs done to Jews(though Jews tend to celebrate as holidays the times when Jews whupped others). Blacks aren't much into memory, and if not for Jewish Power acting as memory bank for the blacks, blacks might be less angry about the past. But Jewish media give us endless doses of MISSISSIPPI BURNING, ROOTS and its remake, DJANGO UNCHAINED, SELMA, 12 YRS A SLAVE, GREEN BOOK, and etc. and so many blacks think half the black population was lynched by KKK.

    And it's not just Bari Weiss who invokes the ancient past. Max Blumenthal wrote a book called GOLIATH where Zionism is the Goliath over Palestinians, the new Davids. (Malcolm Gladwell got in some trouble by making the same point, though without the anti-Zionist polemic.) And John Judis wrote a book called GENESIS, but not about the creation of Eden but about Israel and all the machinations it entailed.
    And White Christians have a long history of invoking stories in the Bible, Old and New, to justify their visions and actions. Mormons really took this to a new level by turning New World History as extension of stories in the Old Testament.

    Replies: @anon

    If Jews seem to have deeper and more ancient hatreds, it’s because they have deeper memories.

    Memories of people that never existed and events that never happened?

    No. They’re just hateful people. That’s WHY they made up the particular stories they made up.

    Jews have deep memory and remember lots of great wrongs done to Jews(though Jews tend to celebrate as holidays the times when Jews whupped others)

    No. They made them all up. The book of Esther? Totally made up. The story about being slaves in Egypt? Made up.

    They make up all these stories to justify how nasty they are to other people. It’s the same thing they do now. As I said. Look at all the stories about having pennies thrown at them everywhere they go, or having people access them of having horns. Those things never happen. They make them up to justify their hatred of whites. It’s all they’ve ever done.

    Even the times the goyim really have persecuted them, they never seem to remember why we did it.

    Like, look at all the Jews complaining about how Spain kicked them out in 1492. Notice how they never explain why the Spaniards kicked them out, or what was going on in Spain just prior to 1492? That doesn’t sound to me like they just have long memories.

    As I said before. If you have to actually make up entire groups of people, for no other reason than so you can have more people to hold a grudge against, then there is something wrong with you. Stop trying to sugarcoat it.

  109. anonymous[267] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous
    @HammerJack

    Jews have been at the forefront of wanting to replace the Star-Spangled Banner" for decades, first with "America The Beautiful" and then Irving Berlin's "God Bless America". Today, neither of those songs are politically correct enough either. I remember the Marty Peretz era The New Republic running article after article on changing the National Anthem.

    Lets just suppose you did make "Lean On Me" the National Anthem, whites would then be attacked for singing it as an act of cultural appropriation.

    It is all Critical Theory run amok. It is all about humiliating and disorienting the historical American nation.

    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2020/07/15/what-is-critical-theory/

    That said God bless the recently deceased Bill Whithers, the documentary on his life "Still Bill" is very worthwhile.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Joe Stalin

    I am sure Whithers never intended “Lean On Me” as a subversive marxist anthem. He would be rolling in his grave if he knew what Jews would try to do with his song.

    • Agree: HammerJack
  110. @kaganovitch
    @Kolya Krassotkin

    (I wonder: when King Herod murdered his wife and son and others he suspected of treachery, did he imagine they’d become Amalek?)

    This is utterly absurd. Herod's commitment to traditional Judaism was basically nil. He was a thoroughgoing Roman partisan and had zero interest in the elimination of Amalekites.

    Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin, @Pop Warner

    What’s absurd about it is that Herod the Idumean was himself a descendant of Amalek and Esau through his Edomite mother

  111. anon[423] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dieter Kief
    @anon

    The IDW was a big step forward for - the enlightenment ideas in the anglosphere - and even in Germany. And Eric Weinstein did spark this - the label and the NYT article was a big success - and mostly his, Eric Weinstein's.

    Frankly, I don't know whether he liked what followed. Most likely not. Because the IDW thing soon started to fall into pieces and is now history, I'd say.

    If Bari Weiss would be smarter, she might not have written that article. Seen from the NYT's perspective, it was no good. Seen from the perspective of knowledge and freedom, it was a big thing. It helped secure Dave Rubin's and Sam Harris' position. And not least - and maybe most important of all, it helped pave the way to turn Claire Lehmann and Quillette into the international success story, that it has become.
    Now I think of Toby Young even and, his Free Speech Union. - Great!

    Replies: @anon, @ben tillman

    If Bari Weiss would be smarter, she might not have written that article.

    View the vid she did with Joe Rogan, especially the part where she says Tulsi Gabbard is an Assad “toady” and Rogan asks her what that means. What does the word “toady” mean? Pay attention to Weiss’s facial expression in that moment. She’s not some college girl intern who got caught not paying attention in a staff meeting. This is a video interview of NYT journo-list, former WSJ journo-list, and someone highly regarded by journo-lists in Israel. This is her “A” game on display.

    She snit-fit quit her job and that’s a win for all of us. For the entertainment lolz value at least.

    Dude, if lead was more like gold then we might use it in jewelry.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @anon

    I can't watch the whole thing. Where do the stupid parts happen?

    Replies: @anon

  112. Not exactly the same thing as Indians bringing their caste conflicts with them or Jews keeping alive their genocidal obsessions across millennia, but this rhymes.

    The decapitated and dismembered body of tech CEO Fahim Saleh, was found in a luxury New York City building on Tuesday afternoon, sources tell the New York Post.
    Police arrived at the scene around 3:30 p.m. E.T. after the victim’s cousin requested a welfare check. When they arrived, they found the 33-year-old man with his arms and legs below the knees removed. The body parts were stored in plastic bags found in the apartment. Near the plastic bags was a power saw that is believed to have been used to dismember Saleh’s body. Sources describe the crime as an “apparent targeted murder.”
    Saleh was last seen on surveillance footage around 1:40 p.m. Monday, when he took the elevator which opens to his seventh-floor apartment. Footage shows the suspected killer waiting for Saleh to enter the elevator. The suspect was carrying a bag and appears to start a conversation with the victim. During their exchange, Saleh gives the suspect a puzzling look. Then as soon as Saleh steps out of the elevator, the suspect can be seen starting the attack.
    A law enforcement source says that the crime looked like a “professional killing.” There was little to no blood left behind and the killer didn’t ransack the apartment. Although they believe Saleh to be the victim, authorities are still waiting for medical examiners to confirm the identity.
    Also, no motive has been produced. At the time of his death, Saleh was a venture capitalist and CEO of the Nigeria-based motorbike startup, Gokada. He also had an estimated net worth close to $150 million.

    https://www.complex.com/life/2020/07/millionaire-tech-ceo-found-decapitated-and-dismembered-in-new-york-city-apartment

    • Replies: @MikeTheCop
    @J.Ross

    One less.

    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    @J.Ross

    33 year old man murded at 3:30pm? Cut into pieces?

  113. Bari Weiss’s Old Religion of Race

    I prefer Bari’s sister Honey.

    Her cameo portrait is sure to go the way of Chief “Two Guns” White Calf.

  114. @New Dealer
    @Dieter Kief

    Reposting:


    https://youtu.be/jS-sxJFn6O0

    Replies: @anon, @Dieter Kief

    The NY Times just lost its last non-woke public person. While this will be cheered as a victory, it just finalizes the death of the paper itself.

    I kept warning Bari that the real threat was the far left in that IDW piece and begged her to put it in. She didn’t and here we are.

    Both quotes from Dave Rubin on Twitter. – I agree completely with the second quote, of course.

  115. Ya’ know, maybe 65 million Germans (and Austrians, Hungarians, Serbs, Croats…) were right all along.

  116. @J.Ross
    Not exactly the same thing as Indians bringing their caste conflicts with them or Jews keeping alive their genocidal obsessions across millennia, but this rhymes.

    The decapitated and dismembered body of tech CEO Fahim Saleh, was found in a luxury New York City building on Tuesday afternoon, sources tell the New York Post.
    Police arrived at the scene around 3:30 p.m. E.T. after the victim's cousin requested a welfare check. When they arrived, they found the 33-year-old man with his arms and legs below the knees removed. The body parts were stored in plastic bags found in the apartment. Near the plastic bags was a power saw that is believed to have been used to dismember Saleh's body. Sources describe the crime as an "apparent targeted murder."
    Saleh was last seen on surveillance footage around 1:40 p.m. Monday, when he took the elevator which opens to his seventh-floor apartment. Footage shows the suspected killer waiting for Saleh to enter the elevator. The suspect was carrying a bag and appears to start a conversation with the victim. During their exchange, Saleh gives the suspect a puzzling look. Then as soon as Saleh steps out of the elevator, the suspect can be seen starting the attack.
    A law enforcement source says that the crime looked like a "professional killing." There was little to no blood left behind and the killer didn't ransack the apartment. Although they believe Saleh to be the victim, authorities are still waiting for medical examiners to confirm the identity.
    Also, no motive has been produced. At the time of his death, Saleh was a venture capitalist and CEO of the Nigeria-based motorbike startup, Gokada. He also had an estimated net worth close to $150 million.
     
    https://www.complex.com/life/2020/07/millionaire-tech-ceo-found-decapitated-and-dismembered-in-new-york-city-apartment

    Replies: @MikeTheCop, @Hippopotamusdrome

    One less.

    • Agree: HammerJack
  117. Twitter hacked! Absolute top level blue check marked accounts including Bezos, Musk, Gates, Biden, and Kanye (but conspicuously not Trump) post roughly the same appeal to be sent bitcoin because on a pure whim they promise to send back twice as much. Twitter stock is crashing.
    Someone attempted to talk about this on CensorTube and was censored (serves him right, he posted on CensorTube).
    https://postimg.cc/dkhz6nD9
    https://postimg.cc/jDq3vvFJ

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @J.Ross

    Follow-up to this: they got Trump and apparently also Dutch politician Geert Wilders. Most likely culprit, a government security agency mandated backdoor, discovered or figured out by a disgruntled employee. Maybe we shouldn't deliberately make our tech vulnerable.

  118. @RichardTaylor
    Bari Weiss was never that bright and obviously had connections to get that job. She was on Joe Rogan and didn't even have basic information about the world. It was shocking.

    While she came off as likable in a cute sort of way, she seemed borderline ditzy.

    They don't make Ashkenazim like they used to. Relax! I kid! I kid!

    Replies: @Dieter Kief, @Bumpkin, @Hypnotoad666, @Cortes, @Nicholas Stix, @Skylark Thibedeau, @Pheasant

    ‘Bari Weiss was never that bright and obviously had connections to get that job. ‘

    There goes that ashkenazi high iq/ meritocracy goyim.

    Lol

  119. @anon
    @Dieter Kief

    If Bari Weiss would be smarter, she might not have written that article.

    View the vid she did with Joe Rogan, especially the part where she says Tulsi Gabbard is an Assad "toady" and Rogan asks her what that means. What does the word "toady" mean? Pay attention to Weiss's facial expression in that moment. She's not some college girl intern who got caught not paying attention in a staff meeting. This is a video interview of NYT journo-list, former WSJ journo-list, and someone highly regarded by journo-lists in Israel. This is her "A" game on display.

    She snit-fit quit her job and that's a win for all of us. For the entertainment lolz value at least.

    Dude, if lead was more like gold then we might use it in jewelry.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    I can’t watch the whole thing. Where do the stupid parts happen?

    • Replies: @anon
    @Jim Don Bob

    I can’t watch the whole thing.

    It's not that long.

    Where do the stupid parts happen?

    lol, uh...pretty much any time you can see Bari's face for sure...

  120. Here is one possible artist’s conception of Tulsi Gabbard visiting Syria. No confirmation yet.
    Toady, or not?

  121. @Thomas
    @anon


    I think it’s fun to ponder how different life would be if the kind of people who would make up a story like this weren’t in charge of so much stuff.
     
    Now if you get to pondering whether the making stuff up, or at least exaggerating, about past atrocities and blood enemies might be a trait that continued into more recent times, such as within the past century or so... you really might be cooking with gas, as they say.

    Replies: @anon, @ThreeCranes

    Well played, sir.

  122. @Anon
    Let’s turn off our Bari-hate for a week or two and appreciate her excellent NYT takedown. We have plenty of time to scrum on her after she lands on her feet elsewhere.

    Am I the only one who senses that the temperature seems to be changing? Sullivan, Pinker, Weiss, the Letter ... some brave people are beginning to poke their heads up, and I wonder if there is a tipping point in our near future? Might we eventually start to see university administrators who say, Nah, I don’t think so, let’s wait until the investigation is completed, in response to a WE DEMAND letter triggered by a “noose”?

    Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian

    Those letter-signing people? No, they’re just getting worried that the demon they conjured is beginning to turn on them. They do not believe a word of their keening about free speech or tolerance of any kind. They are still the same people who enthusiastically agreed with Hillary about the Deplorables; they were a-ok with seeing them (read, us) humiliated, immiserated, deprived of our Constitutional rights, and driven to despair and suicide. That is still the underpinnings of their belief structure and values. Nothing has changed, nothing. Did they do anything anything of any consequence about shutting down the economy? No, because their candy asses were unaffected, and that just gave them an opportunity to gloat over the consequences to the Deplorables.

    FUCK THEM. The time to insist on civility was when Hillary and her Deep State companions were – functionally – advocating for repression and persecution in a very open and cold-blooded fashion.

    But where were they then? Anybody can see those eliminationist rants for what they are. Correction; people of good will can see that, but these people were not, and are not now, people of that stripe.

  123. @J.Ross
    Not exactly the same thing as Indians bringing their caste conflicts with them or Jews keeping alive their genocidal obsessions across millennia, but this rhymes.

    The decapitated and dismembered body of tech CEO Fahim Saleh, was found in a luxury New York City building on Tuesday afternoon, sources tell the New York Post.
    Police arrived at the scene around 3:30 p.m. E.T. after the victim's cousin requested a welfare check. When they arrived, they found the 33-year-old man with his arms and legs below the knees removed. The body parts were stored in plastic bags found in the apartment. Near the plastic bags was a power saw that is believed to have been used to dismember Saleh's body. Sources describe the crime as an "apparent targeted murder."
    Saleh was last seen on surveillance footage around 1:40 p.m. Monday, when he took the elevator which opens to his seventh-floor apartment. Footage shows the suspected killer waiting for Saleh to enter the elevator. The suspect was carrying a bag and appears to start a conversation with the victim. During their exchange, Saleh gives the suspect a puzzling look. Then as soon as Saleh steps out of the elevator, the suspect can be seen starting the attack.
    A law enforcement source says that the crime looked like a "professional killing." There was little to no blood left behind and the killer didn't ransack the apartment. Although they believe Saleh to be the victim, authorities are still waiting for medical examiners to confirm the identity.
    Also, no motive has been produced. At the time of his death, Saleh was a venture capitalist and CEO of the Nigeria-based motorbike startup, Gokada. He also had an estimated net worth close to $150 million.
     
    https://www.complex.com/life/2020/07/millionaire-tech-ceo-found-decapitated-and-dismembered-in-new-york-city-apartment

    Replies: @MikeTheCop, @Hippopotamusdrome

    33 year old man murded at 3:30pm? Cut into pieces?

  124. @Altai
    @Ron Unz

    Not just random commentator but Bret Weinstein who was always a bit of mystery to me, he felt a bit like one but he didn't have a neocon background or even a Krugman 'Hear no evil, see no evil' background. I assumed it felt like that sometimes because he didn't want to go too far and lose the support he needed to not be cancelled forever. But sadly, his mask slips too, he should be too informed not to know who Weiss is and what her resignation means. And what her support means. Does he also thank all the alt-right people who brought his case attention? (Arguably moreso) Of course, not, nor is he obliged to.

    https://twitter.com/BretWeinstein/status/1283064237003165696

    The inevitable transition of for lack of a better word for this collective force, BLM, towards Israel and all the SJWs before them is what fueled this. It's what fuels Shapiro, arguably the single most prominent SJW critic.

    If 'freedom of speech' is left to the JK Rowlings and Bari Weiss's of the world, it will mean the same discourse we have now but maybe transgenderism gets deposed but Israel goes back to being untouchable. (Which Rowling will be completely fine with and which I am waiting for her SJW fans to bring up) 'Free Speech' will have been declared to have won, begrudgingly by the media.

    Words mean what we accept them to mean not what they once were accepted to mean.

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful, @Thea

    Weinstein is an order of magnitude more intelligent and interesting than Weiss. He isn’t going to come out in favor of preserving heritage Anglo Saxon Americana but he appears to support free speech even for critics of Israel. As does his aspy brother.

  125. @Jim Don Bob
    @anon

    I can't watch the whole thing. Where do the stupid parts happen?

    Replies: @anon

    I can’t watch the whole thing.

    It’s not that long.

    Where do the stupid parts happen?

    lol, uh…pretty much any time you can see Bari’s face for sure…

  126. I don’t see all the hatred for this overpromoted mediocrity of a woman.

    She divorced her husband to go muff-diving and tries to crack down on BDS activists and go after Tulsi Gabbard, and isn’t nearly the free-speech advocate she claims to be. She is more interested in advocating for Israel than anything else, and fails even at that.

    Still, she probably gave the IDW a shot in the arm, and like it or not, not everyone in America is eager to go full alt-right and blame the Israelis for the coronavirus, 9/11, and faking the moon landing. There will always be a left, and if she can get a few of them to lean towards classical liberalism instead of woke totalitarianism we’ll all be better off. And more attention for the likes of Dave Rubin and Joe Rogan (a) gives moderates somewhere to go and (b) means at least some fraction of those will check out Unz and the like looking for stronger fare.

    She may have dented #MeToo a little. Maybe with her resignation she even dented the Times a little.

    I see why she’s not your friend, but I don’t see why she’s your enemy.

  127. I’m old enough to remember how Joseph Sobran was ‘cancelled’ by the neocons. Now a leading member of that group (or if not a member, at least adjacent) gets cancelled. Let’s be realistic and admit that everything is about power, not principles. Conservatives should not whine, they should attack and roll over the enemy.

    • Agree: Father Coughlin
  128. @J.Ross
    Twitter hacked! Absolute top level blue check marked accounts including Bezos, Musk, Gates, Biden, and Kanye (but conspicuously not Trump) post roughly the same appeal to be sent bitcoin because on a pure whim they promise to send back twice as much. Twitter stock is crashing.
    Someone attempted to talk about this on CensorTube and was censored (serves him right, he posted on CensorTube).
    https://postimg.cc/dkhz6nD9
    https://postimg.cc/jDq3vvFJ

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Follow-up to this: they got Trump and apparently also Dutch politician Geert Wilders. Most likely culprit, a government security agency mandated backdoor, discovered or figured out by a disgruntled employee. Maybe we shouldn’t deliberately make our tech vulnerable.

  129. I guess her parents cute idea of giving her a man’s name but spelling it with an i instead of a y kind of backfired on them.

  130. @Jus' Sayin'...
    @anon


    I’ve always thought of that with relation to the story of Jacob and Esau as well.
     
    Quite a bit OT but...

    Anyone who's thought about it much, realizes that the OT is full of stories where the younger son usurps or is superior to the older, e.g., Seth and Cain, Japheth and Ham, Ishmael and Isaac, Joseph and his brothers, Ephraim and Manasseh, Judah and his brothers, Moses and Aaron, Adonijah and his three older brothers, Solomon and Adonijah.

    The OT explains away these inversions of the usual, natural order with various narrative complications but there's a much simpler, singular explanation. The OT was written by Judean scribes, returned to their native land by Cyrus, after their forced exile in Babylon. The archaeological record is clear that their Judea was a backward, second rate place compared with its older, northern rival Israel.

    The Judean scribes and redactors of the OT seem to smart under the sense of inferiority this creates. The Judean propaganda of the OT, particularly Chronicles and Kings, tries to reverse the reality by painting the earlier kingdom of Israel as being the lesser in every way. The Jewish dynasty, which archaeological and other records suggest was the most successful of all the verifiable Jewish dynasties, the Omrid rulers of Israel, come in for particular obloquy, precisely because they so successfully ruled the older, northern kingdom.

    The reversal of importance of older and younger brothers is just one further way of hammering home the propaganda point that younger, apparently less important Judah is the true heir of the Jewish covenant with their god versus the older, once far more important kingdom of Israel.

    Replies: @Ian M.

    If this is true, then why doesn’t the O.T. portray Israel as being older than Judah?

  131. A Conservative Jewish lesbian for regime change. Sounds like Russell Kirk and Pat Buchanan to me!

  132. @anon
    @International Jew

    If you can find any modern-day Greeks and Romans still holding grudges against imaginary people because of those myths, you might have a point.

    And if modern-day Greeks and Romans and their pathologies were in charge of our media and the organizations that determine what we're allowed to say on the internet, you might have even more of a point.

    But you'd be missing the larger point, which is the kinds of stories they are

    The stories your tribe makes up are all about how you're persecuted for no reason at all, which justifies your decision to commit genocide against others. You still make up stories like this today. Look at Sarah Silverman's famous tweet about #JewishPrivilege. Look at the replies. See all the Jews making up clearly ridiculous stories about persecution, that obviously never happened, but that they use to justify hating whites. You're still doing it. And you wonder why people don't like you.

    And don't get me started on the Jacob/Esau story, which is about how you should deceive your blind father on his deathbed to cheat your brother.

    Go ahead. Keep trying to tell me that that's normal.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Ian M.

    And don’t get me started on the Jacob/Esau story, which is about how you should deceive your blind father on his deathbed to cheat your brother.

    No it’s not. If you knew the story, you would recognize its well-crafted retributive symmetry. Jacob commits an immoral deception, but then becomes the victim of a major deception himself. In addition, as a result of cheating his brother of his birthright, he must flee his homeland.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Ian M.

    No it’s not. If you knew the story, you would recognize its well-crafted retributive symmetry.

    Really? Does he ever have an attack of conscience? Does Yahweh ever tell him not to do it? Are his descendants cursed, so that we never hear about him again? Is he no longer considered a patriarch, and Esau's line takes over instead?

    Or does he change his name to Israel, which is the name given to the Jewish homeland to this day?

    Which of those two things happened?

    Replies: @Ian M.

  133. @Lot
    @Chrisnonymous

    I think more charitably to Steve, he reads the NYT because it is one of three national American newspapers, the other being the even worse WaPo and the strictly paywalled WSJ.

    Some free NYT alternatives:

    Latimes.com - Good west coast coverage, similar to NYT for national coverage but not as extensive

    reuters.com - an underused gem. no paywalls, not even leaky NYT style. ads are pretty restrained. like the WSJ, it is business-news focused but also provides general news.

    DailyMail - hard to read without an adblocker, downscale, but nonetheless provides high quality non-woke US news coverage. Probably a top 5 newspaper website in the USA by now.

    Daily Express www.express.co.uk - Excellent UK and Europe news from a conservative nationalist perspective. Nothing like it in the USA, closest thing would be the online-only Breitbart. 93% of readers support Cecil Rhodes statutes:

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1293840/Cecil-Rhodes-statue-removed-oxford-university-protests-black-lives-matter

    I also don't think Steve uses "Neocon" anymore to refer to contemporary figures, recognizing the term lost all usefulness except as a historical descriptor after about 2012.

    My view of Beri is that's she's as cute as a button, and that anti-woke liberals like her form a pool of potential Republican voters.

    Remember, white population share decline means every year the GOP needs to increase its share of the white vote by about half a percentage point. That means flipping people who regularly voted Democrat and do not consider themselves conservatives such as Bari.

    Replies: @Ian M., @Chrisnonymous

    My view of Beri is that’s she’s as cute as a button, and that anti-woke liberals like her form a pool of potential Republican voters.

    Remember, white population share decline means every year the GOP needs to increase its share of the white vote by about half a percentage point. That means flipping people who regularly voted Democrat and do not consider themselves conservatives such as Bari.

    It also means moving the Republican Party further left.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Ian M.

    “It also means moving the Republican Party further left.”

    Yes it does.

    There are votes to be gained going populist, but ultimately Trump needs 61% of the white vote in 2020, by definition that means plenty of left of median white votes.

  134. @The Alarmist
    Ms. Weiss was most eloquent as she mounted the scaffold.

    Replies: @Eagle Eye, @Kratoklastes

    Ms. Weiss was most eloquent as she mounted the scaffold continued the strategy of positioning herself as a victim of ‘cancel culture’ in order to be a ‘thought leader’ in ‘anti-cancel’ so that she’s part of the people who determine what can’t be said.

    FIFY.

    • Thanks: The Alarmist
  135. anon[346] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ian M.
    @anon


    And don’t get me started on the Jacob/Esau story, which is about how you should deceive your blind father on his deathbed to cheat your brother.
     
    No it's not. If you knew the story, you would recognize its well-crafted retributive symmetry. Jacob commits an immoral deception, but then becomes the victim of a major deception himself. In addition, as a result of cheating his brother of his birthright, he must flee his homeland.

    Replies: @anon

    No it’s not. If you knew the story, you would recognize its well-crafted retributive symmetry.

    Really? Does he ever have an attack of conscience? Does Yahweh ever tell him not to do it? Are his descendants cursed, so that we never hear about him again? Is he no longer considered a patriarch, and Esau’s line takes over instead?

    Or does he change his name to Israel, which is the name given to the Jewish homeland to this day?

    Which of those two things happened?

    • Replies: @Ian M.
    @anon

    Dude, you are interpreting Scripture as though you were in kindergarten. Would people interpret other literature in such a simplistic black-and-white way? Of course not, so don't do it with scripture. Scripture does not portray the heroes of the faith as blameless, it portrays them as flawed and sinful people. It very often does not explicitly need to identify their actions as immoral: it instead shows this through the consequences of their actions (you know, as good literature often does). This does not mean that God will not in an ultimate sense still bless these people on account of their faith.

    No one - at least not Christians - interprets Jacob's actions as praiseworthy, and Scripture itself does not. Christians have always condemned his deception. I can't speak for Jews, but I imagine the same is true of them - certainly the O.T. is pretty clear that its heroes are imperfect men. You need to look at how Scripture is actually interpreted within the communities that regard it as sacred to understand how they understand it. How you personally interpret it is of no consequence.

  136. @Lot
    @Chrisnonymous

    I think more charitably to Steve, he reads the NYT because it is one of three national American newspapers, the other being the even worse WaPo and the strictly paywalled WSJ.

    Some free NYT alternatives:

    Latimes.com - Good west coast coverage, similar to NYT for national coverage but not as extensive

    reuters.com - an underused gem. no paywalls, not even leaky NYT style. ads are pretty restrained. like the WSJ, it is business-news focused but also provides general news.

    DailyMail - hard to read without an adblocker, downscale, but nonetheless provides high quality non-woke US news coverage. Probably a top 5 newspaper website in the USA by now.

    Daily Express www.express.co.uk - Excellent UK and Europe news from a conservative nationalist perspective. Nothing like it in the USA, closest thing would be the online-only Breitbart. 93% of readers support Cecil Rhodes statutes:

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1293840/Cecil-Rhodes-statue-removed-oxford-university-protests-black-lives-matter

    I also don't think Steve uses "Neocon" anymore to refer to contemporary figures, recognizing the term lost all usefulness except as a historical descriptor after about 2012.

    My view of Beri is that's she's as cute as a button, and that anti-woke liberals like her form a pool of potential Republican voters.

    Remember, white population share decline means every year the GOP needs to increase its share of the white vote by about half a percentage point. That means flipping people who regularly voted Democrat and do not consider themselves conservatives such as Bari.

    Replies: @Ian M., @Chrisnonymous

    I used “Neocon” because that was a term Unz used. Substitute “Zionist” or “Jew”. I don’t care. In Unz-world, they all mean the same thing.

    Glad you get it about white voters. The Weinstein brothers (Eric and Brett) are exemplars of trending anti-woke. Far from Republican voters yet, but let the chaos reign a bit more and we shall see.

    As Ezra Klein correctly stated in his “devil knows the scriptures” way, inhabiting the free speech high ground is very powerful. Let’s not muddy the waters with this anti-Zionist schadenfreude Unz and Steve are exhibiting.

    • Agree: Lot, Dieter Kief
  137. Weis is so fucking tin-eared that she’s almost self-parodying.

    Online venom is excused so long as it is directed at the proper targets.

    If I wasn’t busy doing other stuff right now, it would be fun to copypasta Weis’ Twitstream as it concerns people who oppose the Zionist occupation of Palestine.

  138. @Ian M.
    @Lot


    My view of Beri is that’s she’s as cute as a button, and that anti-woke liberals like her form a pool of potential Republican voters.

    Remember, white population share decline means every year the GOP needs to increase its share of the white vote by about half a percentage point. That means flipping people who regularly voted Democrat and do not consider themselves conservatives such as Bari.
     
    It also means moving the Republican Party further left.

    Replies: @Lot

    “It also means moving the Republican Party further left.”

    Yes it does.

    There are votes to be gained going populist, but ultimately Trump needs 61% of the white vote in 2020, by definition that means plenty of left of median white votes.

  139. @Pop Warner
    @Dieter Kief

    Naturally she loves the IDW because in reality it's the Kosher Dark Web: all of their opinions (and most of their members) are certified kosher. It's being propped out as a dissident group even though none of their ideas actually challenge the status quo and are only considered out of the mainstream because the mainstream has lurched so far in one direction.

    The truth is that they're gatekeepers, playing their part as the most "extreme" opinions in the public discourse while they do the same work of censoring and smearing anybody to their right. Small wonder they're filled with or endorsed by neocons, they served the same function in purging all non-kosher beliefs from mainstream conservatism. And as always, the censorship they decry is just dandy when it's enforced against people beyond the gate ("don't censor us, censor those evil nazis instead we're the good guys too!") Just like with the neocons, it's as good as controlled opposition giving people the illusion of choice.

    In her interview with Joe Rogan, Bari Weiss went on about Zionism and her Jewish identity but spared no words when attacking whites who act in their interest and called the demographic replacement of whites in their home countries a "conspiracy theory." She's just as monstrous as those who ran her out of the Sulzberger Times, the only difference is her blood libel isn't quite extreme enough.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    Naturally she loves the IDW because in reality it’s the Kosher Dark Web

    This might well be the role that she should have fulfilled, but she missed that goal badly. And now she gets punished for that.

    Why she failed, seen from the perspective of the NYT is because she did add poisonous Dave Rubin and – maybe most disastrously (still seen from the NYT’s destructive (=”woke”) perspective: The race realists Jordan Peterson, (Sam Harris) and especially: Claire Lehmann and her anti-wokeist and anti-Stephen Jay Gould type irrationalism – her decently enlightened magazine Quillette. Seen from the NYT’s perspective, she failed here badly. Add Steven Pinker to that “poisonous” mix she served with the IDW label.

    As Dave Rubin twittered these days: Bari Weiss had been warned about the far left (in the NYT not least), but she did not only resist to hear this warning, she even censored Dave Rubin’s statement about the dangers of the far left in her IDW portrait of him.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    @Dieter Kief


    Why she failed, seen from the perspective of the NYT is because she did add poisonous Dave Rubin...Dave Rubin’s statement about the dangers of the far left in her IDW portrait of him.
     
    I'm only very slightly aware of who Dave Rubin is, and I'm pretty sure I'd never heard of him or his associates before Weiss began promoting him. In fact, it took me a little while to figure out that IDW stood for "Intellectual Dark Web" on this thread.

    Here's a question for those more knowledgeable than myself. Have any of the IDW people ever written or done anything interesting or important? My impression is that they're just soft-HBD celebrities promoted by Neocon media-types like Weiss for no logical reason, except perhaps to produce a "controlled opposition."

    HBD-type ideas have been around for centuries and floating around on the Internet for decades. Just because you go on some podcast and say "I believe there are some biological differences between men and women" doesn't mean you're someone to whom I should pay attention.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Dieter Kief

  140. @Reg Cæsar

    Steve Bannon is an enemy of the Jewish people.
     
    Steve Bannon, Nick Cannon, Steve Canyon, Race Bannon...


    Bari Weiss = Wires bias;

    the lesbian warrioress
     
    Swears, "I bi!"

    Among Amalek's modern heirs: The terrorists who gunned down innocents in New Zealand.
     
    I'm unaware of any "innocents" being gunned down there. Just some Mohammedan colonists.

    Replies: @duncsbaby, @Dissident

    No one is innocent.

  141. Her one great contribution to humanity will be this line:

    Why edit something challenging to our readers, or write something bold only to go through the numbing process of making it ideologically kosher, when we can assure ourselves of job security (and clicks) by publishing our 4000th op-ed arguing that Donald Trump is a unique danger to the country and the world?

    Lord knows you could paper a path between New York and San Francisco with all those op-eds printed out on 8.5″ x 11″ paper placed end-to-end.

  142. @Dieter Kief
    @Pop Warner


    Naturally she loves the IDW because in reality it’s the Kosher Dark Web
     
    This might well be the role that she should have fulfilled, but she missed that goal badly. And now she gets punished for that.

    Why she failed, seen from the perspective of the NYT is because she did add poisonous Dave Rubin and - maybe most disastrously (still seen from the NYT's destructive (="woke") perspective: The race realists Jordan Peterson, (Sam Harris) and especially: Claire Lehmann and her anti-wokeist and anti-Stephen Jay Gould type irrationalism - her decently enlightened magazine Quillette. Seen from the NYT's perspective, she failed here badly. Add Steven Pinker to that "poisonous" mix she served with the IDW label.

    As Dave Rubin twittered these days: Bari Weiss had been warned about the far left (in the NYT not least), but she did not only resist to hear this warning, she even censored Dave Rubin's statement about the dangers of the far left in her IDW portrait of him.

    Replies: @Ron Unz

    Why she failed, seen from the perspective of the NYT is because she did add poisonous Dave Rubin…Dave Rubin’s statement about the dangers of the far left in her IDW portrait of him.

    I’m only very slightly aware of who Dave Rubin is, and I’m pretty sure I’d never heard of him or his associates before Weiss began promoting him. In fact, it took me a little while to figure out that IDW stood for “Intellectual Dark Web” on this thread.

    Here’s a question for those more knowledgeable than myself. Have any of the IDW people ever written or done anything interesting or important? My impression is that they’re just soft-HBD celebrities promoted by Neocon media-types like Weiss for no logical reason, except perhaps to produce a “controlled opposition.”

    HBD-type ideas have been around for centuries and floating around on the Internet for decades. Just because you go on some podcast and say “I believe there are some biological differences between men and women” doesn’t mean you’re someone to whom I should pay attention.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Ron Unz

    Rubin's claim to fame is that he's a mainstream, respectable guy, not one of us slimeballs, but he had a conversation with radio host and moviemaker Larry Elder, and seriously questioned some of his presuppositions.
    Nowadays that makes you Wittgenstein (without the architecture) or Jesus (without the woodwork).
    But do see some of his interviews, he has some good ones. Everyone of the NYT-designated Official Permitted Dissident Gang was spotted glowing as soon as they were rolled out, so it's a bonus that most of them also later gratuitously flamed out. As far as I know Rubin hasn't embarassed himself like Loopy or the Lobster.

    , @Dieter Kief
    @Ron Unz

    Dave Rubin is a bit naive. He speaks to interesting people from all walks of life. I remember a black non-woke policeman ((Brandom Tatum)  

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0Y35EpOiFc  

    and a black ex-Muslima (Yasmina Mohammed) with a nice timbre,
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PXfMY6YqBY  

    as I remember Thomas Sowell, Rand Society man Yaron Brook,
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd_P1n-JHWM  

    Dennis Prager, Sam Harris, the Weinstein brothers Eric and Brett, Jordan Peterson and quite a few others (Ayan Hirsi Ali, Niall Fergusson).

    What do they add up to? I did realize a streak of old fashioned decency, a silver lining, which accounts in my eyes for very much, no matter whether it is - a conservative, liberal, or social democrat silver lining.

    Did I mention Douglas Murray?

    Dave Rubin spoke to Dennis Prager about the necessity of liberalism and the end of the outworn identity-leftist mindset (6 million page views). At times he borrowed and used the (precise) phrase the regressive left - a precious sign of contemporaneousness (= getting what's up) which Jonathan Haidt and Greg Lukianoff elaborated on in the years that followed Dave Rubin's first use of this Maajid Navatz' phrase in 2015 (it originated in 2007)). 

    I pretty much follow Niklas Luhmann and Hans Manus Enzensberger, that it is a futile attempt to steer complex modern societies by one steering wheel (The President, for example). This is just not how such societies work (for more details, look into Enezensberger's essays in ZickZack (1999) or in Luhmann's book Social Systems (translated into English in - 1995)).

    I make my point short: It is crucial for us to understand that there is no worldly equivalent for the Religious - let's say: Christian - thought/promise of - redemption. This means, that all political ideas have to fit into this narrow concept of the formal and reality-induced constraints of pragmatism. Reason can only count as reasonable under such premises if it is willing to let go of the idea, that the whole of a society could be run perfectly well. 

    I don't say forget the President, but I say, forget that a president could heal a society. He who looks for wholeness and healing and oneness (a world with no betrayals, no secrecies, no Darkness On Edge of Town)  is so much better off, if he understands, that he (or she, alright) is talking about things, that need to be approached individually in the first place (that's one of Jordan B. Peterson's powerful insights because it helps the mislead leftists to get their feet back to the ground - a healing process if ever there was one, and not far away at all from any - excuse my - reasonable religion).

    Except for that: Agree to disagree. Understand, that rationality is no guaranty against practical failures. Be open to mistakes (in science too) - follow the Goethe of About the Granite - not only here, who says: Good science rests on the possibility to make mistakes)).

    I think, that I'd have no beef with Dave Rubin whatsoever about these points. Maybe I'd find, that he is a bit shallow in some regard - what the heck - he's no superhero, he's just like me - a regular guy - in that regard.

    What about the questions of real power and how to handle them? - Seen from Germany, I look at the superpowers with quite some gratitude for not having us all blown up so far. I' d like it a lot, if things could continue to play out like that in the years that are lying ahead. I was VERY pleased about the two sentences, Jonathan Franzen wrote right after Donald Trump's election, which read: The world as we know it will still be around five years from now. Donald Trump will not bring the apocalypse (ahh - I've just posted a lonesome comment in the LARB under the article of Anjum Hassan about the World Without End - 

    https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/world-without-end/  

    What really helps us all in such existential regards, is something, which can't be known for sure by any human.

    Proposals are welcome. The simpler and the more toned down they are articulated, the further they might reach up and the more they might resolve. (If they come with a bit of humor and self-mockery, civilized people might be more eager to listen to them - me too...)

    This is my Christian belief transformed into a formula, which I hope might work in everyday contexts. Simple truths and simple solutions and simple insights,  brought forward with a humble attitude, are the worthiest ideas. Praise William of Occam for outlining the importance of such a way of thinking -  and John Stewart Mill and John Prager or Dave Rubin, and you make no mistake. Include Charles Murray, as long as he does not talk about modern art or modern music. That he likes Johann Sebastian Bach is fine with me. Praise Frank Zappa, Matt Taibbi, and P. J. O'Rourke - and don't forget Mike Royko and Mark Twain. (Or the Unz Review including the blog Psychological commenter by James Thompson, Anatoly Karlin's and Steve Sailer's blogs, of course). 

    PS

    German authors/artists worth mentioning in this highfalutin' context: Gerd Gigerenzer (Risk Savy), Heiner Rindermann (Cognitive Capitalism), Hans Georg Gadamer (Truth and Method), Caspar David Friedrich and  - for God's sake - Jürgen Habermas (I know that this proposal is extremely close to the worship of flagellantism, but on the other hand - there's just not always an e-a-s-y way out (The Beatles / Day Tripper), so...). Then there is Thilo Sarrazin, the most insightful and clear and humble political/economical writer we have if I forget about Hans-Werner Sinn for a moment.
     

    Replies: @Ron Unz

  143. @anonymous
    @HammerJack

    Jews have been at the forefront of wanting to replace the Star-Spangled Banner" for decades, first with "America The Beautiful" and then Irving Berlin's "God Bless America". Today, neither of those songs are politically correct enough either. I remember the Marty Peretz era The New Republic running article after article on changing the National Anthem.

    Lets just suppose you did make "Lean On Me" the National Anthem, whites would then be attacked for singing it as an act of cultural appropriation.

    It is all Critical Theory run amok. It is all about humiliating and disorienting the historical American nation.

    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2020/07/15/what-is-critical-theory/

    That said God bless the recently deceased Bill Whithers, the documentary on his life "Still Bill" is very worthwhile.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Joe Stalin

  144. @Altai
    The other thing is that at least some gentiles have picked up her and Bret Stephen's ideology.

    https://twitter.com/acczibit/status/1282711616623173633

    Though, in farinss, every ideological position of MovieBob has always been consistent with 'Does Bob think this is against people who possess traits he associates with the kids who bullied him at school'. This is why he went from a Libertarian to weird, seemingly impossible socialist/neoliberal extremist. A kind of Seth Meyer's extremist.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @J.Ross

    The thing MovieBob is most famous for prior to this (apart from the astonishingly self-unaware fitness advice video which fans of RazorFist will recall lol’ing at) is a bizarrely Hitlerian mumble about how superior he (and people of his ideology) are, and how those who disagree will die out, and should. It wasn’t all that far off from the stuff I hear National Review has proudly published lately. What is the problem these advocates of hate in policy, extermination, totalitarianism, and the invasion of Poland have with Hitler? Is it the mustache?

  145. @Ron Unz
    @Dieter Kief


    Why she failed, seen from the perspective of the NYT is because she did add poisonous Dave Rubin...Dave Rubin’s statement about the dangers of the far left in her IDW portrait of him.
     
    I'm only very slightly aware of who Dave Rubin is, and I'm pretty sure I'd never heard of him or his associates before Weiss began promoting him. In fact, it took me a little while to figure out that IDW stood for "Intellectual Dark Web" on this thread.

    Here's a question for those more knowledgeable than myself. Have any of the IDW people ever written or done anything interesting or important? My impression is that they're just soft-HBD celebrities promoted by Neocon media-types like Weiss for no logical reason, except perhaps to produce a "controlled opposition."

    HBD-type ideas have been around for centuries and floating around on the Internet for decades. Just because you go on some podcast and say "I believe there are some biological differences between men and women" doesn't mean you're someone to whom I should pay attention.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Dieter Kief

    Rubin’s claim to fame is that he’s a mainstream, respectable guy, not one of us slimeballs, but he had a conversation with radio host and moviemaker Larry Elder, and seriously questioned some of his presuppositions.
    Nowadays that makes you Wittgenstein (without the architecture) or Jesus (without the woodwork).
    But do see some of his interviews, he has some good ones. Everyone of the NYT-designated Official Permitted Dissident Gang was spotted glowing as soon as they were rolled out, so it’s a bonus that most of them also later gratuitously flamed out. As far as I know Rubin hasn’t embarassed himself like Loopy or the Lobster.

  146. @Ron Unz
    @Dieter Kief


    Why she failed, seen from the perspective of the NYT is because she did add poisonous Dave Rubin...Dave Rubin’s statement about the dangers of the far left in her IDW portrait of him.
     
    I'm only very slightly aware of who Dave Rubin is, and I'm pretty sure I'd never heard of him or his associates before Weiss began promoting him. In fact, it took me a little while to figure out that IDW stood for "Intellectual Dark Web" on this thread.

    Here's a question for those more knowledgeable than myself. Have any of the IDW people ever written or done anything interesting or important? My impression is that they're just soft-HBD celebrities promoted by Neocon media-types like Weiss for no logical reason, except perhaps to produce a "controlled opposition."

    HBD-type ideas have been around for centuries and floating around on the Internet for decades. Just because you go on some podcast and say "I believe there are some biological differences between men and women" doesn't mean you're someone to whom I should pay attention.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Dieter Kief

    Dave Rubin is a bit naive. He speaks to interesting people from all walks of life. I remember a black non-woke policeman ((Brandom Tatum)  

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0Y35EpOiFc  

    and a black ex-Muslima (Yasmina Mohammed) with a nice timbre,
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PXfMY6YqBY  

    as I remember Thomas Sowell, Rand Society man Yaron Brook,
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd_P1n-JHWM  

    Dennis Prager, Sam Harris, the Weinstein brothers Eric and Brett, Jordan Peterson and quite a few others (Ayan Hirsi Ali, Niall Fergusson).

    What do they add up to? I did realize a streak of old fashioned decency, a silver lining, which accounts in my eyes for very much, no matter whether it is – a conservative, liberal, or social democrat silver lining.

    Did I mention Douglas Murray?

    Dave Rubin spoke to Dennis Prager about the necessity of liberalism and the end of the outworn identity-leftist mindset (6 million page views). At times he borrowed and used the (precise) phrase the regressive left – a precious sign of contemporaneousness (= getting what’s up) which Jonathan Haidt and Greg Lukianoff elaborated on in the years that followed Dave Rubin’s first use of this Maajid Navatz’ phrase in 2015 (it originated in 2007)). 

    I pretty much follow Niklas Luhmann and Hans Manus Enzensberger, that it is a futile attempt to steer complex modern societies by one steering wheel (The President, for example). This is just not how such societies work (for more details, look into Enezensberger’s essays in ZickZack (1999) or in Luhmann’s book Social Systems (translated into English in – 1995)).

    I make my point short: It is crucial for us to understand that there is no worldly equivalent for the Religious – let’s say: Christian – thought/promise of – redemption. This means, that all political ideas have to fit into this narrow concept of the formal and reality-induced constraints of pragmatism. Reason can only count as reasonable under such premises if it is willing to let go of the idea, that the whole of a society could be run perfectly well. 

    I don’t say forget the President, but I say, forget that a president could heal a society. He who looks for wholeness and healing and oneness (a world with no betrayals, no secrecies, no Darkness On Edge of Town)  is so much better off, if he understands, that he (or she, alright) is talking about things, that need to be approached individually in the first place (that’s one of Jordan B. Peterson’s powerful insights because it helps the mislead leftists to get their feet back to the ground – a healing process if ever there was one, and not far away at all from any – excuse my – reasonable religion).

    Except for that: Agree to disagree. Understand, that rationality is no guaranty against practical failures. Be open to mistakes (in science too) – follow the Goethe of About the Granite – not only here, who says: Good science rests on the possibility to make mistakes)).

    I think, that I’d have no beef with Dave Rubin whatsoever about these points. Maybe I’d find, that he is a bit shallow in some regard – what the heck – he’s no superhero, he’s just like me – a regular guy – in that regard.

    What about the questions of real power and how to handle them? – Seen from Germany, I look at the superpowers with quite some gratitude for not having us all blown up so far. I’ d like it a lot, if things could continue to play out like that in the years that are lying ahead. I was VERY pleased about the two sentences, Jonathan Franzen wrote right after Donald Trump’s election, which read: The world as we know it will still be around five years from now. Donald Trump will not bring the apocalypse (ahh – I’ve just posted a lonesome comment in the LARB under the article of Anjum Hassan about the World Without End – 

    https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/world-without-end/  

    What really helps us all in such existential regards, is something, which can’t be known for sure by any human.

    Proposals are welcome. The simpler and the more toned down they are articulated, the further they might reach up and the more they might resolve. (If they come with a bit of humor and self-mockery, civilized people might be more eager to listen to them – me too…)

    This is my Christian belief transformed into a formula, which I hope might work in everyday contexts. Simple truths and simple solutions and simple insights,  brought forward with a humble attitude, are the worthiest ideas. Praise William of Occam for outlining the importance of such a way of thinking –  and John Stewart Mill and John Prager or Dave Rubin, and you make no mistake. Include Charles Murray, as long as he does not talk about modern art or modern music. That he likes Johann Sebastian Bach is fine with me. Praise Frank Zappa, Matt Taibbi, and P. J. O’Rourke – and don’t forget Mike Royko and Mark Twain. (Or the Unz Review including the blog Psychological commenter by James Thompson, Anatoly Karlin’s and Steve Sailer’s blogs, of course). 

    PS

    German authors/artists worth mentioning in this highfalutin’ context: Gerd Gigerenzer (Risk Savy), Heiner Rindermann (Cognitive Capitalism), Hans Georg Gadamer (Truth and Method), Caspar David Friedrich and  – for God’s sake – Jürgen Habermas (I know that this proposal is extremely close to the worship of flagellantism, but on the other hand – there’s just not always an e-a-s-y way out (The Beatles / Day Tripper), so…). Then there is Thilo Sarrazin, the most insightful and clear and humble political/economical writer we have if I forget about Hans-Werner Sinn for a moment.
     

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    @Dieter Kief


    Dennis Prager, Sam Harris, the Weinstein brothers Eric and Brett, Jordan Peterson and quite a few others (Ayan Hirsi Ali, Niall Fergusson).
     
    Well, I'm only slightly familiar with most of those individuals, but as far as I know they're mostly just a bunch of Jewish Neocons and fellow-travelers, mostly paid and promoted by the Israel Lobby to denounce Muslims. The one exception is Fergusson, who's a serious academic and has written some pretty good history books.

    Here's a relevant comment of mine from last year:

    Well, I happened to be seated next to that Ayaan Hirsi Ali woman a few weeks ago at a formal dinner, and her very energetic conversation to everyone around her was certainly “interesting.”

    She couldn’t stop raving about the endless wonders of the “Saudi Vision 2030” plan, even though from everything I’ve read in the WSJ and the NYT, it seems a total hoax and a fraud. And she seemed to think that Prince MBS was just about the greatest leader the Middle East had ever had.

    A couple of other people suggested that maybe it might have been a slight “mistake” for him to have had that Khashoggi fellow chopped up with a bone-saw at his Istanbul embassy, but she really wouldn’t accept a word of criticism.

    The whole incident led me to wonder if she’s might be on some secret retainer from a Saudi PR firm or something…
     
    https://www.unz.com/article/roches-revenge-how-jews-see-muslims-as-natural-allies-in-their-war-on-whites/#comment-3097460

    And here's a follow-up based on a comment by Talha


    Hirsi Ali is a complete shill for Israel (remember, she stated that Netanyahu deserved a Nobel Peace Prize for his attack on Gaza
     
    Ha, ha—Talha, I hadn’t heard about that…

    Based on all the WSJ and NYT articles, my strong impression about Saudi Vision 2030 is that it’s just a crackpot scheme cooked up by greedy Western companies to loot endless billions from that ignorant and dim-witted 33-year-old prince who’s seized control of the country and its treasury. Supposedly, the consultants have already been paid over $1B just to cook up crazy schemes like building a robot city in the desert.
     
    https://www.unz.com/article/roches-revenge-how-jews-see-muslims-as-natural-allies-in-their-war-on-whites/#comment-3097612

    I'll admit I don't really know much about you or your background, but you sound like an extremely gullible individual, and frankly, something of a German "Super-Cuck"...

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

  147. @Prof. Woland
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Steve Bannon is like Prometheus. He stole fire. In effect, by developing alternative new outlets and technologies, the populace can now bypass the media severely eroding its power. This is not popular with a particular (((tribe))) that monopolized the media and resents and fears losing it's grip.

    Bannon's crime is that he was the face of that movement. His high profile role in Breitbart and support of Trump personalized these inevitable changes that are occurring. Heretofore, most of these changes were furthered by anonymous or obscure personalities that were bringing change one minor development at a a time but now this was attached to a person who needed to be destroyed for his crime, and what better way than to call him a .... RACIST.

    Replies: @Prof. Woland, @Nicholas Stix

    I hate to break it to you, but Andrew Breitbart, may he rest in peace, was a Jew, and Donald Trump is “the King of the Jews.”

    So, Jews both “monopolize[d] the media and resents and fears losing it’s [sic] grip,” and break the monopoly. If that isn’t an indispensable religion, I don’t know what is.

  148. @Dieter Kief
    @Ron Unz

    Dave Rubin is a bit naive. He speaks to interesting people from all walks of life. I remember a black non-woke policeman ((Brandom Tatum)  

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0Y35EpOiFc  

    and a black ex-Muslima (Yasmina Mohammed) with a nice timbre,
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PXfMY6YqBY  

    as I remember Thomas Sowell, Rand Society man Yaron Brook,
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd_P1n-JHWM  

    Dennis Prager, Sam Harris, the Weinstein brothers Eric and Brett, Jordan Peterson and quite a few others (Ayan Hirsi Ali, Niall Fergusson).

    What do they add up to? I did realize a streak of old fashioned decency, a silver lining, which accounts in my eyes for very much, no matter whether it is - a conservative, liberal, or social democrat silver lining.

    Did I mention Douglas Murray?

    Dave Rubin spoke to Dennis Prager about the necessity of liberalism and the end of the outworn identity-leftist mindset (6 million page views). At times he borrowed and used the (precise) phrase the regressive left - a precious sign of contemporaneousness (= getting what's up) which Jonathan Haidt and Greg Lukianoff elaborated on in the years that followed Dave Rubin's first use of this Maajid Navatz' phrase in 2015 (it originated in 2007)). 

    I pretty much follow Niklas Luhmann and Hans Manus Enzensberger, that it is a futile attempt to steer complex modern societies by one steering wheel (The President, for example). This is just not how such societies work (for more details, look into Enezensberger's essays in ZickZack (1999) or in Luhmann's book Social Systems (translated into English in - 1995)).

    I make my point short: It is crucial for us to understand that there is no worldly equivalent for the Religious - let's say: Christian - thought/promise of - redemption. This means, that all political ideas have to fit into this narrow concept of the formal and reality-induced constraints of pragmatism. Reason can only count as reasonable under such premises if it is willing to let go of the idea, that the whole of a society could be run perfectly well. 

    I don't say forget the President, but I say, forget that a president could heal a society. He who looks for wholeness and healing and oneness (a world with no betrayals, no secrecies, no Darkness On Edge of Town)  is so much better off, if he understands, that he (or she, alright) is talking about things, that need to be approached individually in the first place (that's one of Jordan B. Peterson's powerful insights because it helps the mislead leftists to get their feet back to the ground - a healing process if ever there was one, and not far away at all from any - excuse my - reasonable religion).

    Except for that: Agree to disagree. Understand, that rationality is no guaranty against practical failures. Be open to mistakes (in science too) - follow the Goethe of About the Granite - not only here, who says: Good science rests on the possibility to make mistakes)).

    I think, that I'd have no beef with Dave Rubin whatsoever about these points. Maybe I'd find, that he is a bit shallow in some regard - what the heck - he's no superhero, he's just like me - a regular guy - in that regard.

    What about the questions of real power and how to handle them? - Seen from Germany, I look at the superpowers with quite some gratitude for not having us all blown up so far. I' d like it a lot, if things could continue to play out like that in the years that are lying ahead. I was VERY pleased about the two sentences, Jonathan Franzen wrote right after Donald Trump's election, which read: The world as we know it will still be around five years from now. Donald Trump will not bring the apocalypse (ahh - I've just posted a lonesome comment in the LARB under the article of Anjum Hassan about the World Without End - 

    https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/world-without-end/  

    What really helps us all in such existential regards, is something, which can't be known for sure by any human.

    Proposals are welcome. The simpler and the more toned down they are articulated, the further they might reach up and the more they might resolve. (If they come with a bit of humor and self-mockery, civilized people might be more eager to listen to them - me too...)

    This is my Christian belief transformed into a formula, which I hope might work in everyday contexts. Simple truths and simple solutions and simple insights,  brought forward with a humble attitude, are the worthiest ideas. Praise William of Occam for outlining the importance of such a way of thinking -  and John Stewart Mill and John Prager or Dave Rubin, and you make no mistake. Include Charles Murray, as long as he does not talk about modern art or modern music. That he likes Johann Sebastian Bach is fine with me. Praise Frank Zappa, Matt Taibbi, and P. J. O'Rourke - and don't forget Mike Royko and Mark Twain. (Or the Unz Review including the blog Psychological commenter by James Thompson, Anatoly Karlin's and Steve Sailer's blogs, of course). 

    PS

    German authors/artists worth mentioning in this highfalutin' context: Gerd Gigerenzer (Risk Savy), Heiner Rindermann (Cognitive Capitalism), Hans Georg Gadamer (Truth and Method), Caspar David Friedrich and  - for God's sake - Jürgen Habermas (I know that this proposal is extremely close to the worship of flagellantism, but on the other hand - there's just not always an e-a-s-y way out (The Beatles / Day Tripper), so...). Then there is Thilo Sarrazin, the most insightful and clear and humble political/economical writer we have if I forget about Hans-Werner Sinn for a moment.
     

    Replies: @Ron Unz

    Dennis Prager, Sam Harris, the Weinstein brothers Eric and Brett, Jordan Peterson and quite a few others (Ayan Hirsi Ali, Niall Fergusson).

    Well, I’m only slightly familiar with most of those individuals, but as far as I know they’re mostly just a bunch of Jewish Neocons and fellow-travelers, mostly paid and promoted by the Israel Lobby to denounce Muslims. The one exception is Fergusson, who’s a serious academic and has written some pretty good history books.

    Here’s a relevant comment of mine from last year:

    Well, I happened to be seated next to that Ayaan Hirsi Ali woman a few weeks ago at a formal dinner, and her very energetic conversation to everyone around her was certainly “interesting.”

    She couldn’t stop raving about the endless wonders of the “Saudi Vision 2030” plan, even though from everything I’ve read in the WSJ and the NYT, it seems a total hoax and a fraud. And she seemed to think that Prince MBS was just about the greatest leader the Middle East had ever had.

    A couple of other people suggested that maybe it might have been a slight “mistake” for him to have had that Khashoggi fellow chopped up with a bone-saw at his Istanbul embassy, but she really wouldn’t accept a word of criticism.

    The whole incident led me to wonder if she’s might be on some secret retainer from a Saudi PR firm or something…

    https://www.unz.com/article/roches-revenge-how-jews-see-muslims-as-natural-allies-in-their-war-on-whites/#comment-3097460

    And here’s a follow-up based on a comment by Talha

    Hirsi Ali is a complete shill for Israel (remember, she stated that Netanyahu deserved a Nobel Peace Prize for his attack on Gaza

    Ha, ha—Talha, I hadn’t heard about that…

    Based on all the WSJ and NYT articles, my strong impression about Saudi Vision 2030 is that it’s just a crackpot scheme cooked up by greedy Western companies to loot endless billions from that ignorant and dim-witted 33-year-old prince who’s seized control of the country and its treasury. Supposedly, the consultants have already been paid over $1B just to cook up crazy schemes like building a robot city in the desert.

    https://www.unz.com/article/roches-revenge-how-jews-see-muslims-as-natural-allies-in-their-war-on-whites/#comment-3097612

    I’ll admit I don’t really know much about you or your background, but you sound like an extremely gullible individual, and frankly, something of a German “Super-Cuck”…

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @Ron Unz


    I don’t really know much about you or your background
     
    Photographer, cyclist, philosopher, literary scientist. A bit knowledgeable in (clinical) psychology too.

    I'm a Protestant - so believing is part of me and I'm used to being ridiculed about this part of my existence. If you think about it, this can't be otherwise. That's why I like humor and all kinds of irony, sarcasm, Frank Zappa, Bach (very funny at times), and Goethe (Faust, and his Maxims and Reflections and other miscellanea). So.

    I like your linguistic and criminological pieces a lot. The Unz Review is quite right about George Floyd and I liked it a lot how you helped to achieve this goal - thanks! (I could go on - but you got the pattern).

    Ah - I've said this before quite often Ron Unz: your comment system is just awesome.

    (When I awoke this morning, the first thing I thought of was, that you called the Noam Chomsky of the Harper's letter a principled man (or individual). Then I thought, that our times lack those badly not least with regard to free speech (= the possibility to be contradicted). I do count you in here as a principled man too, of course).

    Replies: @Ron Unz

  149. @Ron Unz
    @Dieter Kief


    Dennis Prager, Sam Harris, the Weinstein brothers Eric and Brett, Jordan Peterson and quite a few others (Ayan Hirsi Ali, Niall Fergusson).
     
    Well, I'm only slightly familiar with most of those individuals, but as far as I know they're mostly just a bunch of Jewish Neocons and fellow-travelers, mostly paid and promoted by the Israel Lobby to denounce Muslims. The one exception is Fergusson, who's a serious academic and has written some pretty good history books.

    Here's a relevant comment of mine from last year:

    Well, I happened to be seated next to that Ayaan Hirsi Ali woman a few weeks ago at a formal dinner, and her very energetic conversation to everyone around her was certainly “interesting.”

    She couldn’t stop raving about the endless wonders of the “Saudi Vision 2030” plan, even though from everything I’ve read in the WSJ and the NYT, it seems a total hoax and a fraud. And she seemed to think that Prince MBS was just about the greatest leader the Middle East had ever had.

    A couple of other people suggested that maybe it might have been a slight “mistake” for him to have had that Khashoggi fellow chopped up with a bone-saw at his Istanbul embassy, but she really wouldn’t accept a word of criticism.

    The whole incident led me to wonder if she’s might be on some secret retainer from a Saudi PR firm or something…
     
    https://www.unz.com/article/roches-revenge-how-jews-see-muslims-as-natural-allies-in-their-war-on-whites/#comment-3097460

    And here's a follow-up based on a comment by Talha


    Hirsi Ali is a complete shill for Israel (remember, she stated that Netanyahu deserved a Nobel Peace Prize for his attack on Gaza
     
    Ha, ha—Talha, I hadn’t heard about that…

    Based on all the WSJ and NYT articles, my strong impression about Saudi Vision 2030 is that it’s just a crackpot scheme cooked up by greedy Western companies to loot endless billions from that ignorant and dim-witted 33-year-old prince who’s seized control of the country and its treasury. Supposedly, the consultants have already been paid over $1B just to cook up crazy schemes like building a robot city in the desert.
     
    https://www.unz.com/article/roches-revenge-how-jews-see-muslims-as-natural-allies-in-their-war-on-whites/#comment-3097612

    I'll admit I don't really know much about you or your background, but you sound like an extremely gullible individual, and frankly, something of a German "Super-Cuck"...

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    I don’t really know much about you or your background

    Photographer, cyclist, philosopher, literary scientist. A bit knowledgeable in (clinical) psychology too.

    I’m a Protestant – so believing is part of me and I’m used to being ridiculed about this part of my existence. If you think about it, this can’t be otherwise. That’s why I like humor and all kinds of irony, sarcasm, Frank Zappa, Bach (very funny at times), and Goethe (Faust, and his Maxims and Reflections and other miscellanea). So.

    I like your linguistic and criminological pieces a lot. The Unz Review is quite right about George Floyd and I liked it a lot how you helped to achieve this goal – thanks! (I could go on – but you got the pattern).

    Ah – I’ve said this before quite often Ron Unz: your comment system is just awesome.

    (When I awoke this morning, the first thing I thought of was, that you called the Noam Chomsky of the Harper’s letter a principled man (or individual). Then I thought, that our times lack those badly not least with regard to free speech (= the possibility to be contradicted). I do count you in here as a principled man too, of course).

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    @Dieter Kief


    I like your linguistic and criminological pieces a lot. The Unz Review is quite right about George Floyd and I liked it a lot how you helped to achieve this goal – thanks! (I could go on – but you got the pattern).

    Ah – I’ve said this before quite often Ron Unz: your comment system is just awesome.
     
    Thanks for your very kind words, and I regret my rather harsh ones.

    But as happens, I just noticed that someone in a different thread had mentioned something about that Eric Weinstein fellow, whom I don't think I'd ever heard of:

    iSteviness off the charts with this one: Eric Weinstein on Twitter says that the refutation of IQ is the tiny black island of St Lucia having two Nobel laureates...This gets stupider the closer you look...The two Nobels were in literature and economics, so not even a Nobel.
     
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/local-crime-blotter-news/#comment-4038538

    Based upon those views, I'm not sure Weinstein even holds soft-HBD notions. Maybe he should apply for a job at NR or even the SPLC...

    Replies: @Dieter Kief, @William Badwhite

  150. @Reg Cæsar

    Steve Bannon is an enemy of the Jewish people.
     
    Steve Bannon, Nick Cannon, Steve Canyon, Race Bannon...


    Bari Weiss = Wires bias;

    the lesbian warrioress
     
    Swears, "I bi!"

    Among Amalek's modern heirs: The terrorists who gunned down innocents in New Zealand.
     
    I'm unaware of any "innocents" being gunned down there. Just some Mohammedan colonists.

    Replies: @duncsbaby, @Dissident

    [Bari Weiss:]Among Amalek’s modern heirs: The terrorists who gunned down innocents in New Zealand.

    I’m unaware of any “innocents” being gunned down there. Just some Mohammedan colonists.

    Wow! Fed-post tier.

    • Disavow: Dissident

  151. @Dieter Kief
    @Ron Unz


    I don’t really know much about you or your background
     
    Photographer, cyclist, philosopher, literary scientist. A bit knowledgeable in (clinical) psychology too.

    I'm a Protestant - so believing is part of me and I'm used to being ridiculed about this part of my existence. If you think about it, this can't be otherwise. That's why I like humor and all kinds of irony, sarcasm, Frank Zappa, Bach (very funny at times), and Goethe (Faust, and his Maxims and Reflections and other miscellanea). So.

    I like your linguistic and criminological pieces a lot. The Unz Review is quite right about George Floyd and I liked it a lot how you helped to achieve this goal - thanks! (I could go on - but you got the pattern).

    Ah - I've said this before quite often Ron Unz: your comment system is just awesome.

    (When I awoke this morning, the first thing I thought of was, that you called the Noam Chomsky of the Harper's letter a principled man (or individual). Then I thought, that our times lack those badly not least with regard to free speech (= the possibility to be contradicted). I do count you in here as a principled man too, of course).

    Replies: @Ron Unz

    I like your linguistic and criminological pieces a lot. The Unz Review is quite right about George Floyd and I liked it a lot how you helped to achieve this goal – thanks! (I could go on – but you got the pattern).

    Ah – I’ve said this before quite often Ron Unz: your comment system is just awesome.

    Thanks for your very kind words, and I regret my rather harsh ones.

    But as happens, I just noticed that someone in a different thread had mentioned something about that Eric Weinstein fellow, whom I don’t think I’d ever heard of:

    iSteviness off the charts with this one: Eric Weinstein on Twitter says that the refutation of IQ is the tiny black island of St Lucia having two Nobel laureates…This gets stupider the closer you look…The two Nobels were in literature and economics, so not even a Nobel.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/local-crime-blotter-news/#comment-4038538

    Based upon those views, I’m not sure Weinstein even holds soft-HBD notions. Maybe he should apply for a job at NR or even the SPLC…

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @Ron Unz

    God bestowed us humans with ignorance to make life more fun (that's the happy-go-lucky version of Freud's greatest achievement - his (and his daughter Anna's) description of the Neurotic Defense Mechanisms). I did have to laugh about this St. Lucia example!- This is Eric Weinstein as a Baron of Münchhausen impersonator riding high on a scientifically correctly flying (hehe) cannonball, trying to hold balance (something poor Eric should be not too good at if I visualize him - what makes this scene even funnier).

    On a more abstract level, one can watch a parallel-action (The Man Without Qualities - Robert Musil) to the scenery above when Eric Weinstein gets completely lost while explaining the magic of the Octonion numbers to - - - Joe Rogan (of all people...)  - - - 
    (I've been there already, on The Unz Review:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/a-not-so-scientific-racist-declares-her-ancestral-homeland-the-smartest-country-on-the-planet/#comment-3327397 

    - my comment No. 36 and the two answers by anonymous and Logan - both perfect btw. (that's The Unz Review too - there aren't too many other blogs where you could post something like my comment No. 36 making fun of Eric Weinstein's riff about some kind of highest mathematics and get reasonable reactions - left alone great ones...


    PS

    Being an intellectual means, according to Jürgen Habermas, to get on people's nerves - that can't be otherwise either. So - I appreciate that you now say you shouldn't have been that harsh in your reply, not least because it makes it easier for me to get on your nerves again (and again...).

    (This is the fun part of being an intellectual, hehe, when you realize that there is somebody who is willing to risk his good temper - for the sake of a - not even necessarily good - argument...).

    PPS

    Eric Weinstein did call it quits with the New York Times and supported Bari Weiss - on twitter - I like this tweet of him - especially the part where he claims that the NYT has turned into a threat to our democracy<! - : -

     So what just happened? Let me put it bluntly: What was left of the New York Times just resigned from the New York Times. The Times canceled itself. As a separate Hong Kong exists in name only, the New New York Times and affiliated “news” is now the chief threat to our democracy.

    Replies: @anon

    , @William Badwhite
    @Ron Unz

    I agree w/ Dieter about the quality of the commenting system though would ask that you consider purging comments older than some length of time - say one year or something along those lines.

    At that point nobody is reading them yet small details may be able to be used by someone in a mosaic-like effort to uncover a commenter's identity.

  152. anon[138] • Disclaimer says:

    Excuse me, I have just one question. Really, just one question…

    Who is it that gets to decide if someone is an “enemy of the Jewish people”? Can any Jewish person issue this statement? It looks kind of like the Fatwa that was laid on Salman Rushdie,. Is there like a council of some kind that takes nominations and votes on them? How often does it meet? Do all Jewish people get to have representation on this decision, or only Reform, or maybe only famous Jews in New York City? Is there an appeals process, can Bannon go over Bari’s head to her rabbi or maybe to a rabbi in Israel? Is it like the No-Fly list, or can you get back off of the Enemy of the Jewish People list somehow? Does he have to wear some kind of distinguishing mark on his clothing when he’s out in public, so that other Jewish people are aware he’s their enemy? Should he have to live in a certain part of town with all the other Enemies of the Jewish People? Could he maybe relocate to a different part of the country, one that has more room for living, and then be less of an Enemy of the Jewish People? Does he have to go to a special educational institution to be educated away from his Enemieness, some remote location where he can concentrate on his studies?

    Ok, ok it was more than one question. So sue me!
    Just asking. For a friend.

  153. @Dieter Kief
    @anon

    The IDW was a big step forward for - the enlightenment ideas in the anglosphere - and even in Germany. And Eric Weinstein did spark this - the label and the NYT article was a big success - and mostly his, Eric Weinstein's.

    Frankly, I don't know whether he liked what followed. Most likely not. Because the IDW thing soon started to fall into pieces and is now history, I'd say.

    If Bari Weiss would be smarter, she might not have written that article. Seen from the NYT's perspective, it was no good. Seen from the perspective of knowledge and freedom, it was a big thing. It helped secure Dave Rubin's and Sam Harris' position. And not least - and maybe most important of all, it helped pave the way to turn Claire Lehmann and Quillette into the international success story, that it has become.
    Now I think of Toby Young even and, his Free Speech Union. - Great!

    Replies: @anon, @ben tillman

    If Bari Weiss would be smarter . . . .

    Konjunktiv — man sagt “were”.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @ben tillman

    Thanks for reading my post - and taking the time to notice my - rather slight - aberration from conventional grammar. I must admit, I thought about this sentence while writing it down...and shied away from the were, because - it does not sound good. That's my fault, alright.

    On the other hand, there's this:

    "First, don't be surprised if English that's 200 years old doesn't work the same way you were taught in class. Second, using if + would V is simply an older and somewhat more polite way of saying if + V-ed, i.e, the so-called "subjunctive".  

    https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/310284/if-someone-would-construction  

    PS

    I hope you would not have found it more polite if I had not posted my second remark?

  154. @Ron Unz
    @Dieter Kief


    I like your linguistic and criminological pieces a lot. The Unz Review is quite right about George Floyd and I liked it a lot how you helped to achieve this goal – thanks! (I could go on – but you got the pattern).

    Ah – I’ve said this before quite often Ron Unz: your comment system is just awesome.
     
    Thanks for your very kind words, and I regret my rather harsh ones.

    But as happens, I just noticed that someone in a different thread had mentioned something about that Eric Weinstein fellow, whom I don't think I'd ever heard of:

    iSteviness off the charts with this one: Eric Weinstein on Twitter says that the refutation of IQ is the tiny black island of St Lucia having two Nobel laureates...This gets stupider the closer you look...The two Nobels were in literature and economics, so not even a Nobel.
     
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/local-crime-blotter-news/#comment-4038538

    Based upon those views, I'm not sure Weinstein even holds soft-HBD notions. Maybe he should apply for a job at NR or even the SPLC...

    Replies: @Dieter Kief, @William Badwhite

    God bestowed us humans with ignorance to make life more fun (that’s the happy-go-lucky version of Freud’s greatest achievement – his (and his daughter Anna’s) description of the Neurotic Defense Mechanisms). I did have to laugh about this St. Lucia example!- This is Eric Weinstein as a Baron of Münchhausen impersonator riding high on a scientifically correctly flying (hehe) cannonball, trying to hold balance (something poor Eric should be not too good at if I visualize him – what makes this scene even funnier).

    On a more abstract level, one can watch a parallel-action (The Man Without Qualities – Robert Musil) to the scenery above when Eric Weinstein gets completely lost while explaining the magic of the Octonion numbers to – – – Joe Rogan (of all people…)  – – – 
    (I’ve been there already, on The Unz Review:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/a-not-so-scientific-racist-declares-her-ancestral-homeland-the-smartest-country-on-the-planet/#comment-3327397 

    – my comment No. 36 and the two answers by anonymous and Logan – both perfect btw. (that’s The Unz Review too – there aren’t too many other blogs where you could post something like my comment No. 36 making fun of Eric Weinstein’s riff about some kind of highest mathematics and get reasonable reactions – left alone great ones…

    PS

    Being an intellectual means, according to Jürgen Habermas, to get on people’s nerves – that can’t be otherwise either. So – I appreciate that you now say you shouldn’t have been that harsh in your reply, not least because it makes it easier for me to get on your nerves again (and again…).

    (This is the fun part of being an intellectual, hehe, when you realize that there is somebody who is willing to risk his good temper – for the sake of a – not even necessarily good – argument…).

    PPS

    Eric Weinstein did call it quits with the New York Times and supported Bari Weiss – on twitter – I like this tweet of him – especially the part where he claims that the NYT has turned into a threat to our democracy<! – : –

     So what just happened? Let me put it bluntly: What was left of the New York Times just resigned from the New York Times. The Times canceled itself. As a separate Hong Kong exists in name only, the New New York Times and affiliated “news” is now the chief threat to our democracy.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Dieter Kief

    Being an intellectual means, according to Jürgen Habermas, to get on people’s nerves – that can’t be otherwise either.

    Unhappily many believe that if they can get on people's nerves this proves they are intellectual. Toddlers get on everyone's nerves.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

  155. @ben tillman
    @Dieter Kief


    If Bari Weiss would be smarter . . . .
     
    Konjunktiv -- man sagt "were".

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    Thanks for reading my post – and taking the time to notice my – rather slight – aberration from conventional grammar. I must admit, I thought about this sentence while writing it down…and shied away from the were, because – it does not sound good. That’s my fault, alright.

    On the other hand, there’s this:

    “First, don’t be surprised if English that’s 200 years old doesn’t work the same way you were taught in class. Second, using if + would V is simply an older and somewhat more polite way of saying if + V-ed, i.e, the so-called “subjunctive”.  

    https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/310284/if-someone-would-construction  

    PS

    I hope you would not have found it more polite if I had not posted my second remark?

  156. @Ron Unz
    @Dieter Kief


    I like your linguistic and criminological pieces a lot. The Unz Review is quite right about George Floyd and I liked it a lot how you helped to achieve this goal – thanks! (I could go on – but you got the pattern).

    Ah – I’ve said this before quite often Ron Unz: your comment system is just awesome.
     
    Thanks for your very kind words, and I regret my rather harsh ones.

    But as happens, I just noticed that someone in a different thread had mentioned something about that Eric Weinstein fellow, whom I don't think I'd ever heard of:

    iSteviness off the charts with this one: Eric Weinstein on Twitter says that the refutation of IQ is the tiny black island of St Lucia having two Nobel laureates...This gets stupider the closer you look...The two Nobels were in literature and economics, so not even a Nobel.
     
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/local-crime-blotter-news/#comment-4038538

    Based upon those views, I'm not sure Weinstein even holds soft-HBD notions. Maybe he should apply for a job at NR or even the SPLC...

    Replies: @Dieter Kief, @William Badwhite

    I agree w/ Dieter about the quality of the commenting system though would ask that you consider purging comments older than some length of time – say one year or something along those lines.

    At that point nobody is reading them yet small details may be able to be used by someone in a mosaic-like effort to uncover a commenter’s identity.

  157. @Jane Plain

    t if I were Steve Bannon, well, I wouldn’t drink from a glass from her hand.

     

    This is so silly. I mean, really silly.

    Also, when she was speaking about Amalek, she was sticking up for Muslims who got slaughtered in the mosque in NZ, not Jews,, so how is this tribal? It's not.

    Amalek is a metaphor for savages who attack helpless people. I can go along with that while still thinking that NZ should stop admitting Muslim immigrants. And also watch crazy Australians with guns.

    Replies: @Dissident

    While I mostly agree with what you have expressed, I cannot entirely dismiss Mr. Sailer’s overarching point. Ms. Weiss’s characterization of Steve Bannon as an “enemy of the Jewish people” is over-the-top, if not downright absurd. That notwithstanding, the suggestion that Mr. Bannon could be at risk of actual bodily harm at the hands of Ms. Weiss also seems rather over-the-top.

    I do not see how the single statement of Bari Weiss that is cited is proof of her having an “obsession with smiting the Old Testament Amalekites and those she deems their descendants”.

    Amalek is a metaphor for savages who attack helpless people.

    Certainly, in the context that Ms. Weiss was using it, Amalek is a symbol of unmitigated evil.

    I can go along with that while still thinking that NZ should stop admitting Muslim immigrants. And also watch crazy Australians with guns.

    Right. There are actually several levels of critical distinctions here.
    – There is no inherent or necessary connection between opposition to immigration by any specific group and opposition to said group itself, let alone hatred of said group, much less wishing ill upon them.

    – Even if one does oppose Islam and/or Muslim behavior, it absolutely does not follow that one need find the slaughter of Muslim civilians anything less than horrific and unconscionable.

    Did you, by any chance, catch this comment? Shocking, as the poster had seemed pretty far from the type one would expect such “fed-posting” from.

  158. @Dieter Kief
    @Ron Unz

    God bestowed us humans with ignorance to make life more fun (that's the happy-go-lucky version of Freud's greatest achievement - his (and his daughter Anna's) description of the Neurotic Defense Mechanisms). I did have to laugh about this St. Lucia example!- This is Eric Weinstein as a Baron of Münchhausen impersonator riding high on a scientifically correctly flying (hehe) cannonball, trying to hold balance (something poor Eric should be not too good at if I visualize him - what makes this scene even funnier).

    On a more abstract level, one can watch a parallel-action (The Man Without Qualities - Robert Musil) to the scenery above when Eric Weinstein gets completely lost while explaining the magic of the Octonion numbers to - - - Joe Rogan (of all people...)  - - - 
    (I've been there already, on The Unz Review:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/a-not-so-scientific-racist-declares-her-ancestral-homeland-the-smartest-country-on-the-planet/#comment-3327397 

    - my comment No. 36 and the two answers by anonymous and Logan - both perfect btw. (that's The Unz Review too - there aren't too many other blogs where you could post something like my comment No. 36 making fun of Eric Weinstein's riff about some kind of highest mathematics and get reasonable reactions - left alone great ones...


    PS

    Being an intellectual means, according to Jürgen Habermas, to get on people's nerves - that can't be otherwise either. So - I appreciate that you now say you shouldn't have been that harsh in your reply, not least because it makes it easier for me to get on your nerves again (and again...).

    (This is the fun part of being an intellectual, hehe, when you realize that there is somebody who is willing to risk his good temper - for the sake of a - not even necessarily good - argument...).

    PPS

    Eric Weinstein did call it quits with the New York Times and supported Bari Weiss - on twitter - I like this tweet of him - especially the part where he claims that the NYT has turned into a threat to our democracy<! - : -

     So what just happened? Let me put it bluntly: What was left of the New York Times just resigned from the New York Times. The Times canceled itself. As a separate Hong Kong exists in name only, the New New York Times and affiliated “news” is now the chief threat to our democracy.

    Replies: @anon

    Being an intellectual means, according to Jürgen Habermas, to get on people’s nerves – that can’t be otherwise either.

    Unhappily many believe that if they can get on people’s nerves this proves they are intellectual. Toddlers get on everyone’s nerves.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @anon


    Unhappily many believe that if they can get on people’s nerves this proves they are intellectual. Toddlers get on everyone’s nerves.
     
    I

    Right. This is what could be called a one-directional truth.

    So: It is not good to get on the nerves of intellectuals with the means of the toddler - cf. snowflakes, Antifa,  LGBQT, etc. - according to Dr. Freud, the crying mode of the toddler is at the opposite side of the sweet spot of the intellect, because - still according to Freud, the very nature of the intellect is to be soft-spoken.

    This too is a one-directional truth, because soft-spokenness can go along quite easily with all kinds of anti-intellectualism too (cf. The Coddling of the American Mind / Haidt/Lukianoff, 2018).

    II

    As so often, Goethe knew what to do when caught in such conundrums - remember, that the world is bestowed with all kinds of miraculosities (die Welt stickt (wrong spelling here in stickt by Goethe- - intentionally!  - to mark the miracle-sphere while addressing it in the physical way it is addressed - such are the wonders of our world reflected in the language - which brings them to our consciousness - ahh - the rest of Goethe's remark: voller Merkwürdigkeiten. The whole sentence again: Die Welt stickt voller Merkwürdigkeiten.

    Oh - a tad loose paraphrase of Goethe's sentence could read like this: Facts and explanations don't necessarily fit perfectly well in our world. He who is not willing to accept this fact can quite easily make a fool out of himself. At times such futile (and/or foolish) efforts are fun to watch - cf. Don Quichotte - and - - - - Faust****.

    ****The perfect stagings of Goethe's Faust imply not only the tragic, but also the comical aspects of this prototypical scientist's fate as sketched out by - - - - JWv Goethe (and the undecipherable long list of all his predecessors).

  159. @anon
    @Dieter Kief

    Being an intellectual means, according to Jürgen Habermas, to get on people’s nerves – that can’t be otherwise either.

    Unhappily many believe that if they can get on people's nerves this proves they are intellectual. Toddlers get on everyone's nerves.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    Unhappily many believe that if they can get on people’s nerves this proves they are intellectual. Toddlers get on everyone’s nerves.

    I

    Right. This is what could be called a one-directional truth.

    So: It is not good to get on the nerves of intellectuals with the means of the toddler – cf. snowflakes, Antifa,  LGBQT, etc. – according to Dr. Freud, the crying mode of the toddler is at the opposite side of the sweet spot of the intellect, because – still according to Freud, the very nature of the intellect is to be soft-spoken.

    This too is a one-directional truth, because soft-spokenness can go along quite easily with all kinds of anti-intellectualism too (cf. The Coddling of the American Mind / Haidt/Lukianoff, 2018).

    II

    As so often, Goethe knew what to do when caught in such conundrums – remember, that the world is bestowed with all kinds of miraculosities (die Welt stickt (wrong spelling here in stickt by Goethe- – intentionally!  – to mark the miracle-sphere while addressing it in the physical way it is addressed – such are the wonders of our world reflected in the language – which brings them to our consciousness – ahh – the rest of Goethe’s remark: voller Merkwürdigkeiten. The whole sentence again: Die Welt stickt voller Merkwürdigkeiten.

    Oh – a tad loose paraphrase of Goethe’s sentence could read like this: Facts and explanations don’t necessarily fit perfectly well in our world. He who is not willing to accept this fact can quite easily make a fool out of himself. At times such futile (and/or foolish) efforts are fun to watch – cf. Don Quichotte – and – – – – Faust****.

    ****The perfect stagings of Goethe’s Faust imply not only the tragic, but also the comical aspects of this prototypical scientist’s fate as sketched out by – – – – JWv Goethe (and the undecipherable long list of all his predecessors).

  160. @anon
    @Ian M.

    No it’s not. If you knew the story, you would recognize its well-crafted retributive symmetry.

    Really? Does he ever have an attack of conscience? Does Yahweh ever tell him not to do it? Are his descendants cursed, so that we never hear about him again? Is he no longer considered a patriarch, and Esau's line takes over instead?

    Or does he change his name to Israel, which is the name given to the Jewish homeland to this day?

    Which of those two things happened?

    Replies: @Ian M.

    Dude, you are interpreting Scripture as though you were in kindergarten. Would people interpret other literature in such a simplistic black-and-white way? Of course not, so don’t do it with scripture. Scripture does not portray the heroes of the faith as blameless, it portrays them as flawed and sinful people. It very often does not explicitly need to identify their actions as immoral: it instead shows this through the consequences of their actions (you know, as good literature often does). This does not mean that God will not in an ultimate sense still bless these people on account of their faith.

    No one – at least not Christians – interprets Jacob’s actions as praiseworthy, and Scripture itself does not. Christians have always condemned his deception. I can’t speak for Jews, but I imagine the same is true of them – certainly the O.T. is pretty clear that its heroes are imperfect men. You need to look at how Scripture is actually interpreted within the communities that regard it as sacred to understand how they understand it. How you personally interpret it is of no consequence.

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