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From the New York Times:

In Truck Attack in Nice, Mainstay of Commerce Reinvented as Tool of Death
By RUKMINI CALLIMACHI JULY 15, 2016

And from the NYT op-ed page:

Can We Stop Terror-by-Truck?
By ALI H. SOUFAN JULY 15, 2016

 
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  1. A little OT. (((Jesse Benn))) has smeared one of the martyred Dallas cops because he may have held politically incorrect opinions. Just vile.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @fredyetagain aka superhonky

    Surprised kosher Sailer let your comment through.

    We have to hand it to the tribe for being so open with their disdain for whites and getting away with it.

    Whites have no claim to superiority if we allow ourselves to be ruled by minorities.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Rob McX
    @fredyetagain aka superhonky

    As evidence of the officer's white supremacist views, Benn cites the fact that he had an Iron Cross tattoo, which he says is included in the Hate Symbols Database of the Anti-Defamation League - the biggest ethnic supremacy lobby in the world.

    Replies: @Matthew Kelly, @U. Ranus

    , @Erik L
    @fredyetagain aka superhonky

    So we're doing that three parentheses to identify a Jew thing on iSteve now. Great. It's good to have a marker for the antisemitic dipshits on this board

    Replies: @Hunsdon, @Anonymous, @syonredux

    , @Alec Leamas
    @fredyetagain aka superhonky

    The little imp is the one who called for "white wounding" and Leftist political violence. He seems to really want a fight. I can't tell you how much I hope he really gets one.

    , @rerere46
    @fredyetagain aka superhonky

    I've come to have the conviction that what persons like this Benn's do and say is not their fault, but the fault of all who allow them to.

    Supremacists like him, and the organizations he adheres to, should be openly despised by any civil person caring for social fairness. Any contact with them refused.

    You write? I don't read.
    You tweet? I block.
    I meet you in person? Don't talk to me, and don't come to close, please!
    You sell goods online, even as a Prime seller?
    I don't wanna buy anything from you. thanks!

    Needless to say, exploitative people like Paul Graham who serve the haters of their kind to turn in personal benefits should be despised more still.

    It's drowsy people that allow supremacism at their expenses.

    , @Anonymous
    @fredyetagain aka superhonky

    Yeah, but if he were a black cop with black nationalist views, it's not like you and other alt-righters wouldn't have basically the same opinion Benn does.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

  2. Time for driverless trucks, then?

    • Replies: @Bill
    @dearieme

    Turning over the job of terrorist to hackers would certainly be interesting.

    , @Bill Jones
    @dearieme

    "Time for driverless trucks, then?"

    Road Drones?

    , @let it burn
    @dearieme

    "Time for driverless trucks, then?"

    which will be hacked, like all computers eventually are, providing endless, remote fun for all!

    , @Olorin
    @dearieme

    Great idea, right after we implement banksterless banks.

  3. Rukmini Callimachi… Ali Soufan…

    American as apple pie!

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @BenKenobi

    Rukmini Callimachi was born Romanian, but apparently she moved to California as a kid with her mother and grandmother and studied at the Thacher School.

    I don't know about the last name, but she was named after a famous Southern Indian Brahmin dancer from the last century, a prominent member of a religio-philosophical sect called the Theosophists which had a prominent California presence in Ojai, home of the theosophist mystic J. Krishnamurti. So, basically, as a kid, she tagged along with her hippy-dippy female elders.

    Replies: @5371, @Romanian

  4. http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2006/07/10/the-agent

    Soufan is Muslim, at least nominally. He works for the FBI.

  5. Imagine, if you will, being the joyless Leftist in the NYT newsroom, committed to The Narrative at all costs, assigned to churn out headlines such as:

    “In Nice, a Vibrant Celebration Gives Way to a Trail of Death”

    “A Surly Misfit With No Terror Links Turned a Truck Into a Tank”

    • Replies: @Matthew Kelly
    @Marie

    “A Surly Misfit With No Terror Links Turned a Truck Into a Tank”

    I particularly liked that one. Now imagine their despair as they have to contort this into The Narrative:

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/F/FRANCE_TRUCK_ATTACK_ISLAMIC_STATE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-07-16-04-51-34

    , @guest
    @Marie

    Those headlines aren't New York Timesy enough. They don't even blame Whitey or transphobia.

  6. But, think about it deeper, instead of assuming that the media is manned by morons, which they aren’t, and assume they are manned and womanned by people very smart.

    Why would the media keep coming up with some new excuse that contradicts the last excuse? Why would these people never reflect that what they excused last Tuesday they now blame for this Wednesday? Why would the media keep contradicting themselves yet always with the same collective goal in mind?

    I reckon, Steve, there’s more going on.

    And I reckon you are missing it.

    • Replies: @yowza
    @Pat Hannagan


    I reckon, Steve, there’s more going on.

    And I reckon you are missing it
     
    .

    You know, sometimes a commentor can try to be so cute that nobody knows what the fuck the commentor is actually talking about.
    , @Kylie
    @Pat Hannagan

    I LOVE THIS CLIP!

    Alan Jones had a gorgeous voice (no surprise there, he was of Welsh ancestry) and phenomenal breath control. He simply owns this song. Poor Mario Lanza's version is so thin it's pitiful.

    Jeanette MacDonald could hold her own with Jones but Irene Dunne, whom I adore, was hopelessly out of her depth when paired with him in Showboat.

    Thanks for posting this.

    , @the cruncher
    @Pat Hannagan

    With so many variations of muslim 'happenings' no explanation but the truth can remain. Liberals are getting exhausted:

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2016/07/15/shitlibs-are-exhausted-heres-why/

  7. Kinda fast here.

    Guys’ not even a Muslim, just a drifting deadwood hick having bad impulse control with a name from across the Mediterranean.

    Let’s hear it from the Daily Mail itself

    Even Timmy McVeigh beats that guy.

    • Replies: @al gore rhythms
    @El Dato

    "Guys’ not even a Muslim, just a drifting deadwood hick having bad impulse control with a name from across the Mediterranean"

    Of all the many desperate attempts I've seen to try and deflect the responsibilty away from Islam for Islamic terrorist attacks this latest one --'he's not a true Muslim because he ate pork and drank alcohol' is by far the most ridiculous. I'm not saying there are not times when a so-called Islamic 'terror attack' is actually a crazed individual rather than Islamic. There was the guy who shot up a bar in Australia, and I'd even be willing to listen to arguments over the Orlando shooter. But the Nice terrorist clearly falls into the category of a Muslim who carried out an attack because he regarded himself as being part of a Muslim society and regarded Westerners as the enemy.

    I find it ironic that left-wing people who love to trot out the 'no true Scotsman fallacy' line could not have invented their own version--'it's not Islamic terrorism because No True Muslim would drink alcohol or eat pork!' How can you even talk such nonsense? How many actual Jihadis do you think were simply ruffians who enjoyed killing and raping? By your definition of 'Muslim' then you'd have to say there's never been such a thing as Islamic wars, culture or societies, because the people involved in each contained many people who were not fully committed in every detail of their faith. And the same would have to be said of Christian civilisation come to that. How many Kings in Christendom had extra-marital relations? Do they therefore not count? How many Crusaders do you think had enjoyed their share of wenching and wine? I guess the Crusades wasn't Muslims versus Christians after all!

    This man was a Muslim. That was his culture. That was the way he saw the world. When he was radicalised in prison it was on the basis of someone who came from that culture, who nursed its grievances and held its grudges, who regarded himself as an outsider because of his ancestry and all that went with it. When he killed the people in his truck it was on the basis that they were 'Christians' even though many of his victims probably had no strong opinions about the divinity of Christ or the presence of his body in the eucharist, because 'Christians' means 'them, the others, white people with their decadent societies.' Didn't the 9-11 hijackers have something of a shady background when it came to strip clubs and the like too? Isn't there the idea within Islam that someone who dies in Jihad goes to Paradise regardless of his past transgressions? So was he not acting in a way consistent with Muslims throughout the ages? Isn't the reason that this is so frightening for the French that there are millions more underclass Muslims just like him in France who nurse exactly the same murderous hatred of the French, and that they can nurse this hatred even as they drink a glass of wine and eat a sausage roll?

    Please, don't pollute the comment thread on this fine site with such dumb-ass reasoning. It's bad enough I have to read such frankly desperate blame-avoidance on social media and on news comments sections without seeing it here. He thought he was a Muslim. He did it because he was a Muslim. French people understand he hated them because he was a Muslim and they are not Muslim. This attack one more signpost on the way to France becoming an Islamic society. If in decades to come you visit a France in which the women must be veiled in public, the President is a Muslim, the official religion is Islam, the schools teach that Islam is the one true faith, no criticism of permitted of Islamic teachings and non-Muslims live their lives in the shadows in constant fear then perhaps you will say to yourself 'but I went to someone's house and they had a glass of wine so it doesn't count!' but I think the rest of us will be quite aware what has taken place.

    Replies: @unpc downunder

    , @Anonym
    @El Dato

    http://www.answering-islam.org/Bailey/jihad.html

    1. Taqiyya on behalf of cousin.
    2. Killing the infidel in such a brave, effective, terror inspiring manner is a textbook way to have your sins forgiven by Allah at the critical moment of death. Mohammed is entitled to the full compliment of comely virgins for this act irrespective of the prior pork eating etc.

    , @Massimo Heitor
    @El Dato


    Guys’ not even a Muslim, just a drifting deadwood hick having bad impulse control with a name from across the Mediterranean.
     
    The perp was not religious. But there is tribal, racial, ethnic, cultural hatred for France and ethnic French culture.
    , @Cwhatfuture
    @El Dato

    Islam is a religion and a "culture" or civilization. It is the equivalent of Christianity and what used to be called Christendom. Muslims use the word this way often, in such absurd statements as: "Islam gave the West science". He was most assuredly from Islam.

    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    @El Dato



    Guys’ not even a Muslim, just a drifting deadwood hick
    ...
    Let’s hear it from the Daily Mail itself

     

    Let's see, "Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel, a man of French-Tunisian origin" isn't a Muslim. Got it.
    , @Pericles
    @El Dato

    Not at all, he's the Most Interesting Muslim in the World. "I am seldom a muslim. But when I am, I drive a big truck into Nice."

    , @Dirk Dagger
    @El Dato

    You're right. The big point is, if we give in to stereotyping, profiling, and hate the terrorists will have won !!

  8. They are lucky to have many affectionate readers, what can be added?
    I feel itchy even when I hear about the NYT, and frankly, all other American mainstream media.
    It’s become a dreary circus.

  9. While one might be tempted to engaged in detailed refutation of the delusional thinking behind both these articles (it’s not the instrument used in the terror attack it’s the persons using the instrument), it would be pointless. A person with delusions cannot be talked out of them. The only solution is to get ourselves free of these lunatics!

    The only possible attack that I think would wake these people up (and probably not even then) would be a nuclear explosion in a major metropolitan area with hundreds of thousands dead and millions injured. But I hope that it doesn’t come to that!

    • Replies: @Erik Sieven
    @Diversity Heretic

    such a single big attack could hardly be blamed on a huge group of people. Mob violence like in New Years Eve in Germany, in Cairo or Syria are another thing of course

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Diversity Heretic


    The only possible attack that I think would wake these people up (and probably not even then) would be a nuclear explosion in a major metropolitan area with hundreds of thousands dead and millions injured. But I hope that it doesn’t come to that!
     
    "These people" are by and large Democrats. They've produced the only leader in world history that has ever actually done that.

    So would they surrender just as quickly?

    Replies: @bomag

    , @Connecticut Famer
    @Diversity Heretic

    "The only possible attack that I think would wake these people up (and probably not even then) would be a nuclear explosion in a major metropolitan area with hundreds of thousands dead and millions injured. But I hope that it doesn’t come to that!"

    None of us do. Too frightening to contemplate. But there's an old saying which goes something like "the wish is the father to the deed."

    And I wonder how many people out there are Thinking The Unthinkable. And how many of them have the means at their disposal to do the deed. And it doesn't need to be nuclear either. A chemical, biological or cyber attack would do just fine.

    One helluva mess we've gotten ourselves into, huh?

    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Diversity Heretic


    The only solution is to get ourselves free of these lunatics!
     
    I am all ears. I would even entertain a plausible instantiation of the Mars colony sans Leftists. But if the Mars colony worked those damned Leftist would follow us there to ensure "Social Justice".
  10. It’s obviously the fault of the GOP for not giving illegal aliens drivers licenses.

  11. Young men, due to their boundless physical and
    sexual energy, need a rite of passage that will teach
    them how to channel this energy in socially acceptable
    ways. Otherwise the energy will be used to commit
    atrocities, as in the recent events. Primitive societies used
    to require such a rite of passage, we no longer do.
    Marriage and military service, for example, no longer
    play a role as civilizing agents because 1. Women are
    now rejecting early marriage (great for women’s careers
    but of doubtful value for their morality as women now
    ride the cock carousel until their late 20s), 2. The draft was
    eliminated (in the U.S.) in 1973.

    Therefore I’m convinced that the society needs to reintroduce
    some form of a rite of passage for both men and women.
    We’re still primitive at heart, the fact that was still recognized
    in the early 20th century when many felt that we had become
    overly civilized, and war was seen as a bracing agent, a test of
    manhood, that prevented the society from falling into decadence
    and hedonism. We don’t have to go that far but I believe some
    form of compulsory military cum community service should
    be reintroduced to act as civilizing agents. College is a civilizing
    agent but it’s not enough simply because only the top 25-30% of
    the population complete four-year degrees (and due to grade
    inflation and the proliferation of Mickey Mouse courses much
    of the challenge has been lost anyway). Women these days also
    need to be recivilized – the number of feral women appears to
    be growing exponentially

    • Replies: @Anon 2
    @Anon 2

    The recent atrocities, both in the U.S. and in France,
    show us that young men are out of control. The
    usual civilizing agents - religion, education,
    early marriage, military service (let alone family) -
    no longer seem effective. Rejection of early marriage,
    while producing many feral women, has been even
    worse for men who too often seem to have
    nothing better to do with their lives than squandering
    their energy on video games and masturbation to online
    porn. If Trump wins, I hope he gives serious consideration
    to reintroducing some sort of a rite of passage for
    18-20 year olds. Young people need to challenged hard at
    that age to make a successful transition into manhood
    and womanhood

    , @Anon
    @Anon 2

    Rites of passage won't do it. Those are just single events. You need a civilizing influence around, such as both parents in an intact family to teach you how to behave during your years of growing up.

    Replies: @Kylie

    , @Cryptogenic
    @Anon 2

    Or we could just not allow Muslims into our country.

    , @Stan Adams
    @Anon 2

    Compulsory service is slavery.

    How many of the wars that America has fought in the last seventy years have been worth fighting?

    I would die for my homeland, but I wouldn't give a dead fingernail for the regime that is now in power. Anyone serving in the military today is working for a government that is doing its darndest to destroy the last tattered remnants of the American way of life.

    The next time I see a homeless, limbless veteran weaving his wheelchair in and out of the cars parked at a busy intersection, I'll salute him and say, "Aren't you glad you got civilized?"

    (I'm not knocking the idea of serving one's country. I'm not mocking those who serve. I'm knocking the idea of fighting and dying for the sake of those are screwing over this country. If you can't tell the difference, then you need to take a good, hard look at the clowns in Washington and ask yourself whether they're worth defending.)

    Replies: @Anon 2

    , @avraham
    @Anon 2

    amazing insightful comment

    , @AnotherDad
    @Anon 2


    Young men, due to their boundless physical and
    sexual energy, need a rite of passage that will teach
    them how to channel this energy in socially acceptable
    ways.
     
    A good set of thoughts here Anon 2. I have some similar conclusions i've expressed to folks a few times.

    My impression--most of this from my kids friends and being a scoutmaster--young men today are way too "soft". I was pretty "soft" as a kid and am now a soft old man, but even i was tougher in the day than most of these young guys. My son had a bunch of responsibilities and adventures in Scouts culminating in a 95 mile backpack at Philmont. Training for and doing that definitely improved his toughness. I hitchhiked out to Wyoming when i was 20 and backpacked around in the Wind River range that helped me a bit. Mainly i worked plenty of crappy jobs--the kind Mexicans would be doing today--had to show up, follow orders, do dirty work. The kind of work most upper-middle class kids, boys included, no longer do.

    The ideal, i think, would be guys forced to spend a year "outside"--maybe on a long trek--where they are intensively trained up but then have to hunt to fend for themselves. But the scale we're talking about--2 million males a year--that isn't happening. More plausible would be all young men doing basic training--boot camp--and being expected to be part of the reserve army defending the nation. Sort of the Swiss model.

    ~~
    Young women ... that's a whole 'nother kettle of fish. They are "doing better" than the guys relative to the rules for getting ahead in our government\corporate milieu. But they are a mess when it comes to what they are actually needed for--marriage and family. It's no surprise that marriage rates are falling. Why would any guy with his stuff together hitch himself--pledge his life and earnings--to one of these "women"?

    What would help? Heck if know. You'd want to start by taking away their phones and giving them a spanking.
  12. There is a non-selfish case for strong borders, which is the argument from ecology. I have never heard this argument made, but consider ocean ecology.

    The open ocean is, relatively speaking, uniform, bland and mostly barren. If you take a square km of open ocean, there will be some life but it will not be very pretty or diverse.

    Contrast this with a reef (whether natural or man-made). It is teeming with colorful life of all kinds, with incredible variety and beauty. One square km of reef contains orders of magnitude more life and much more diversity than the open ocean ever could. This is naturally achieved with coral but you can achieve the same effect by sinking a ship or even dropping a rusty city bus in the ocean.

    What achieves this? Simply, borders, walls, barriers. If you suddenly made all the walls vanish in a reef ecosystem, surely 99% of all its life would be dead within a week, even though the climate would be the same in all other respects.

    Barriers are the stuff that ecosystems are made of, and this is just as true of humans as it is of marine life. Globalists who seek a borderless ‘open ocean’ are dissolving cultures and reducing human thriving (for most) and reducing diversity.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Dan Hess

    Related to that is that markets don't work very well in open oceans -- thus the constant problems with overfishing due to tragedy of the commons. Closer to shore, though, lots of different cultures have worked out different techniques for giving somebody property rights so they'll practice stewardship.

    Elinor Ostrom got the Economics quasi-Nobel prize for writing about topics like fishing rights.

    Replies: @PV van der Byl, @Anonymous, @wren

    , @Erik Sieven
    @Dan Hess

    thats a very good observation I think. Open borders means an end to all kind of lovely, maybe a bit droll human cultural and physiological varieties. In a open border system there is only one kind of competition and only one kind of human succeeds.
    This of course has the most severe impact on the partner market.

    , @Travis
    @Dan Hess

    agree...Globalism and open borders destroys diversity. Just as open borders between American states began to destroy the diversity between American cities with the introduction of modern Highways and Jet travel.

    While the left constantly talks about embracing diversity, their true goal is to end diversity via one World government and race mixing to eliminate the white race.

    , @Anonym
    @Dan Hess

    Frankly I don't think this is a good argument. Reef works much better as an anchor for seaweed than sand or deep water does. It also provides more shelter than sand does generally. Oxygenation and proximity to light are also factors.

    I love borders, don't get me wrong. But if we are going to use environmental reasons for borders, encouraging people who breed like locusts in a malthusian fashion and are otherwise slash and burn type poor environmental stewards - yeah, let's let these people migrate everywhere so that the magic dirt, magic education system and magic laws can turn them into something they are not and never will be.

    , @Anonymous Nephew
    @Dan Hess

    "Globalists who seek a borderless ‘open ocean’ are dissolving cultures and reducing human thriving (for most) and reducing diversity."

    Apparently for our elites "diversity" means having exactly the same dysfunctional black and muslim minorities in every European town and city.

    Replies: @guest

    , @guest
    @Dan Hess

    That argument would work better if the term "ecology" had more meaning than almost none at all.

    We don't need biological arguments to defend the idea of property, anyway. That's scientism. There are libraries full of books with non-scientistic arguments for it.

    , @Anonymous
    @Dan Hess

    What the Hell is wrong with 'selfishness' anyway?

    Isn't it the basis of the capital formation, and thus the material society which delivers us everything from our daily bread to the water coming out of the faucet?

    Didn't Adam Smith point this out centuries ago?

    Sorry, I simply will not and cannot apologise for the fact that our white, European ancestors made successful societies and functioning economies by dint of their sheer hard work, talent, brains, energy, self-restraint and organisation.

    What I do resent and *hate* are those dirty faker/frauds who think that they can gatecrash the west and just simply 'take' what they feel is 'entitled' to them, despite the obvious, though we are not allowed to say it, fact that they have no *blood connection* to the societies they wish to plunder.

    In my opinion they are infinitely worse than burglars and thieves-in-the-night. At least thieves are 'honest' in that they do not pretend to be virtuous.

    In fact who I *hate* even more than the faker/frauds are scum politicians such as Herr Merkel, the EU petit-dictators and that trash who write for The Economist Magazine who give the scum 'intellectual' cover.

    , @Kurt van Ghoye
    @Dan Hess

    That's a useful rhetorical arrow. I'll tuck it in the quiver. Hell, it also has the ring of truth. We are some form of enspirited animal, after all. We ought to have a say in the formation of our ecologies.

    , @This Is Our Home
    @Dan Hess

    Shallow water has sun. Deep water has little. I love the analogy but still..

  13. I am not very happy with Islam. I think that it the direct cause of all these kinds of attacks. And I think it ought to be banned. It definitely encourages this type of thing. When Muslims kill in the name of Islam, they are obeying their religion. In fact, it is their only guarantee to go to heaven. In fact, one could be a bad person all his life, play around, drink alcohol etc, and yet on the last day go out by killing Jews and Christians this would guarantee place in the highest heaven. What better way to go? People in Europe during the Middle Ages had much more accurate idea of what Islam is about and considered it as something entirely evil.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @avraham

    This is an important Muslim belief that the MSM overlooks: Death in jihad negates all sin and guarantees passage to paradise.


    Quran (61:10-12) "O ye who believe! Shall I lead you to a bargain that will save you from a grievous Penalty? That ye believe in Allah and His Messenger, and that ye strive (your utmost) in the Cause of Allah, with your property and your persons: That will be best for you, if ye but knew! He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Gardens of Eternity: that is indeed the Supreme Achievement." This verse was given at the battle Uhud and uses the Arabic word, Jihad.
     
    Some commentators said the 9/11 jihadi-kamikazes weren't really Muslims because they spent some of their last days in Las Vegas, drinking and ogling strippers. But why not, when their martyrdom would cleanse them of all sin?

    Some commentators couldn't reconcile Omar Mateen's purported homosexuality with a belief in Islam. But if Mateen were a conflicted homosexual, his attack on the Pulse club would absolve him of any sin.

    Suicide is against Islam. Martyrdom is not. A Muslim in a state of depression or other mania is offered with a "good" way out.

    Replies: @Anonym, @avraham, @D. K., @stillCARealist

    , @Anonymous
    @avraham

    I am not very happy with Islam. I think that it the direct cause of all these kinds of attacks. And I think it ought to be banned.

    Islam is the cause of these attacks like the air we breath is the cause of them.

    Western invasion, bombing, occupation, and (in Palestine) ethnic cleansing of the Middle East is the true cause of this violence.

    Men will always resist when their group is invaded. Which is why jews desire to ban groups.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Calogero

    , @Anonymous
    @avraham

    I am not very happy with Islam. I think that it the direct cause of all these kinds of attacks. And I think it ought to be banned. It definitely encourages this type of thing. When Muslims kill in the name of Islam, they are obeying their religion.

    Every single one of these incidents is justifiable in view of what the West has been doing to the Middle East in the past 99 years (to be precise).

    We in the West need to grow the f up and take some responsibility for our actions.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Kylie, @Jack D

  14. @Dan Hess
    There is a non-selfish case for strong borders, which is the argument from ecology. I have never heard this argument made, but consider ocean ecology.

    The open ocean is, relatively speaking, uniform, bland and mostly barren. If you take a square km of open ocean, there will be some life but it will not be very pretty or diverse.

    Contrast this with a reef (whether natural or man-made). It is teeming with colorful life of all kinds, with incredible variety and beauty. One square km of reef contains orders of magnitude more life and much more diversity than the open ocean ever could. This is naturally achieved with coral but you can achieve the same effect by sinking a ship or even dropping a rusty city bus in the ocean.

    What achieves this? Simply, borders, walls, barriers. If you suddenly made all the walls vanish in a reef ecosystem, surely 99% of all its life would be dead within a week, even though the climate would be the same in all other respects.

    Barriers are the stuff that ecosystems are made of, and this is just as true of humans as it is of marine life. Globalists who seek a borderless 'open ocean' are dissolving cultures and reducing human thriving (for most) and reducing diversity.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Erik Sieven, @Travis, @Anonym, @Anonymous Nephew, @guest, @Anonymous, @Kurt van Ghoye, @This Is Our Home

    Related to that is that markets don’t work very well in open oceans — thus the constant problems with overfishing due to tragedy of the commons. Closer to shore, though, lots of different cultures have worked out different techniques for giving somebody property rights so they’ll practice stewardship.

    Elinor Ostrom got the Economics quasi-Nobel prize for writing about topics like fishing rights.

    • Replies: @PV van der Byl
    @Steve Sailer

    New Zealand has come closest to solving the commons problem in fisheries. They established something very much like private property in parts of the ocean involving tranferable fishing rights.

    , @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    Only one 'free market' operates in the ocean.

    He who has got the biggest mouth gobbles up all.

    'Twas ever thus - such is the story of the evolution of jaws from jawless fish and the daddy of them all the (extinct) mega great white Megalodon.
    Strangely Megalodon was a victim of its own success as it drove the great whales into cold water.

    Anyhow, the dictum above is the only 'ethic' nature ever had - the sea is the fount of all life and perhaps the starkest theater of aeons old evolutionary drama - and despite all bullshit to the contrary the only 'ethic' of what we might term 'sapien social systems' ever had.

    - And currently it's the muzzies who are making, literal, mincemeat out of her typical mangina meterosexual Euro-poofter.

    , @wren
    @Steve Sailer

    When the Japanese were ascendant a few years ago, it seemed that we always heard about their factory ships raping the ocean's fish stocks, etc., but now, as I understand it, the Chinese are really sucking up all the fish, world-wide. Yet we don't hear about it.

    What is different? Are my impressions just wrong?

  15. @BenKenobi
    Rukmini Callimachi... Ali Soufan...

    American as apple pie!

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

    Rukmini Callimachi was born Romanian, but apparently she moved to California as a kid with her mother and grandmother and studied at the Thacher School.

    I don’t know about the last name, but she was named after a famous Southern Indian Brahmin dancer from the last century, a prominent member of a religio-philosophical sect called the Theosophists which had a prominent California presence in Ojai, home of the theosophist mystic J. Krishnamurti. So, basically, as a kid, she tagged along with her hippy-dippy female elders.

    • Replies: @5371
    @PiltdownMan

    Nutty Romanian mothers can get pretty nutty, Irina Ionesco comes to mind.

    , @Romanian
    @PiltdownMan

    A Romanian? I'd never heard if her, which is weird, because, like many smaller nations, we have a hobby of identifying notables who are our co-ethincs, like the guy who played the Winter Soldier in the Marvel movies. The last name suggests a Greek origin and it isn't Romanianized. She might be some sort of boyar family by-blow. Anyway, I have a new name to add to the list of Romanians who've made it in the world. I wonder if she still speaks the language.

    As an aside to the Rukmini angle, look to Eastern Europe for a future wave of hippy dippy SE Asian charismatic new age stuff. It was presaged by Mircea Eliade's scholarly focus on the religions there. The Communists kept a lid on guru types as being subversive and prone to creating networks with political potential and infiltration capabilities. After the Revolution, In Romania, there was the Movement for Spiritual Integration in the Absolute (MISA) that became notorious in the 1990s for lurid tales of orgies, orgies with minors, golden showers, which were all true. The Founder, Gregorian Bivolaru, wanted for statutory rape, was granted Asylum by the Swede cucks (they were showing their future colors back then, as well, before Merkel's children came) for religious persecution (he had a point too, the resurgent Orthodox Church was probably going to go Deus Vult on him to explore the limits of its power in the new regime, and the still conservative and straitlaced State was going to let them) . His followers still gather yearly to make human spirals of hundreds of people. They're probably more careful with the underaged stuff. And this is an example of a fully formed movement, but lots of materials get translated, shared online, on New Age stuff. It's popular with middle aged women, elderly non-curmudgeons, loopy youngsters, and other people who have a spiritual inclination which is not amenable to organized worship. Expect lots of hippie stuff in the future. PUAs should arm themselves properly.

    Replies: @Rob McX, @PiltdownMan

  16. It will be a problem on the sidewalks of mid-town Manhattan. Expect barriers.

  17. @Diversity Heretic
    While one might be tempted to engaged in detailed refutation of the delusional thinking behind both these articles (it's not the instrument used in the terror attack it's the persons using the instrument), it would be pointless. A person with delusions cannot be talked out of them. The only solution is to get ourselves free of these lunatics!

    The only possible attack that I think would wake these people up (and probably not even then) would be a nuclear explosion in a major metropolitan area with hundreds of thousands dead and millions injured. But I hope that it doesn't come to that!

    Replies: @Erik Sieven, @Reg Cæsar, @Connecticut Famer, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    such a single big attack could hardly be blamed on a huge group of people. Mob violence like in New Years Eve in Germany, in Cairo or Syria are another thing of course

  18. @Dan Hess
    There is a non-selfish case for strong borders, which is the argument from ecology. I have never heard this argument made, but consider ocean ecology.

    The open ocean is, relatively speaking, uniform, bland and mostly barren. If you take a square km of open ocean, there will be some life but it will not be very pretty or diverse.

    Contrast this with a reef (whether natural or man-made). It is teeming with colorful life of all kinds, with incredible variety and beauty. One square km of reef contains orders of magnitude more life and much more diversity than the open ocean ever could. This is naturally achieved with coral but you can achieve the same effect by sinking a ship or even dropping a rusty city bus in the ocean.

    What achieves this? Simply, borders, walls, barriers. If you suddenly made all the walls vanish in a reef ecosystem, surely 99% of all its life would be dead within a week, even though the climate would be the same in all other respects.

    Barriers are the stuff that ecosystems are made of, and this is just as true of humans as it is of marine life. Globalists who seek a borderless 'open ocean' are dissolving cultures and reducing human thriving (for most) and reducing diversity.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Erik Sieven, @Travis, @Anonym, @Anonymous Nephew, @guest, @Anonymous, @Kurt van Ghoye, @This Is Our Home

    thats a very good observation I think. Open borders means an end to all kind of lovely, maybe a bit droll human cultural and physiological varieties. In a open border system there is only one kind of competition and only one kind of human succeeds.
    This of course has the most severe impact on the partner market.

  19. @El Dato
    Kinda fast here.

    Guys' not even a Muslim, just a drifting deadwood hick having bad impulse control with a name from across the Mediterranean.

    Let's hear it from the Daily Mail itself

    Even Timmy McVeigh beats that guy.

    Replies: @al gore rhythms, @Anonym, @Massimo Heitor, @Cwhatfuture, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Pericles, @Dirk Dagger

    “Guys’ not even a Muslim, just a drifting deadwood hick having bad impulse control with a name from across the Mediterranean”

    Of all the many desperate attempts I’ve seen to try and deflect the responsibilty away from Islam for Islamic terrorist attacks this latest one –‘he’s not a true Muslim because he ate pork and drank alcohol’ is by far the most ridiculous. I’m not saying there are not times when a so-called Islamic ‘terror attack’ is actually a crazed individual rather than Islamic. There was the guy who shot up a bar in Australia, and I’d even be willing to listen to arguments over the Orlando shooter. But the Nice terrorist clearly falls into the category of a Muslim who carried out an attack because he regarded himself as being part of a Muslim society and regarded Westerners as the enemy.

    I find it ironic that left-wing people who love to trot out the ‘no true Scotsman fallacy’ line could not have invented their own version–‘it’s not Islamic terrorism because No True Muslim would drink alcohol or eat pork!’ How can you even talk such nonsense? How many actual Jihadis do you think were simply ruffians who enjoyed killing and raping? By your definition of ‘Muslim’ then you’d have to say there’s never been such a thing as Islamic wars, culture or societies, because the people involved in each contained many people who were not fully committed in every detail of their faith. And the same would have to be said of Christian civilisation come to that. How many Kings in Christendom had extra-marital relations? Do they therefore not count? How many Crusaders do you think had enjoyed their share of wenching and wine? I guess the Crusades wasn’t Muslims versus Christians after all!

    This man was a Muslim. That was his culture. That was the way he saw the world. When he was radicalised in prison it was on the basis of someone who came from that culture, who nursed its grievances and held its grudges, who regarded himself as an outsider because of his ancestry and all that went with it. When he killed the people in his truck it was on the basis that they were ‘Christians’ even though many of his victims probably had no strong opinions about the divinity of Christ or the presence of his body in the eucharist, because ‘Christians’ means ‘them, the others, white people with their decadent societies.’ Didn’t the 9-11 hijackers have something of a shady background when it came to strip clubs and the like too? Isn’t there the idea within Islam that someone who dies in Jihad goes to Paradise regardless of his past transgressions? So was he not acting in a way consistent with Muslims throughout the ages? Isn’t the reason that this is so frightening for the French that there are millions more underclass Muslims just like him in France who nurse exactly the same murderous hatred of the French, and that they can nurse this hatred even as they drink a glass of wine and eat a sausage roll?

    Please, don’t pollute the comment thread on this fine site with such dumb-ass reasoning. It’s bad enough I have to read such frankly desperate blame-avoidance on social media and on news comments sections without seeing it here. He thought he was a Muslim. He did it because he was a Muslim. French people understand he hated them because he was a Muslim and they are not Muslim. This attack one more signpost on the way to France becoming an Islamic society. If in decades to come you visit a France in which the women must be veiled in public, the President is a Muslim, the official religion is Islam, the schools teach that Islam is the one true faith, no criticism of permitted of Islamic teachings and non-Muslims live their lives in the shadows in constant fear then perhaps you will say to yourself ‘but I went to someone’s house and they had a glass of wine so it doesn’t count!’ but I think the rest of us will be quite aware what has taken place.

    • Agree: PV van der Byl
    • Replies: @unpc downunder
    @al gore rhythms

    The neoconservative, "it's all about Islam" argument also has a few holes in at as well. How many Muslims terrrorists come from Indonesia, Malaysia or the eastern Stans? Not many because men from these countries have less hot-headed temperaments and are more nationalistic in their political views.

    Islamic terrorists are educated young globalists who believe in creating a global Islamic caliphate. They hate the West and like many young educated people, they also hate nationalism. As the West pumps out globalist liberal propaganda, alienated men of Middle Easern origin respond by rallying around globalist Islamic ideology. Globalism appeals to them because it is modern, while Islam appeals because it's middle eastern.

    Replies: @Pericles, @PV van der Byl

  20. http://www.haaretz.com

    Europe Needs Its Muslims Too Much to Fight Them

    A pity about terrorism, but the continent faces a critical labor shortage, and immigrants from the Islamic world are the only ones to fill it. It’s time to get vulgar and value money over religion and origin.
    David Rosenberg Jan 15, 2015 3:58 PM

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    "A pity about terrorism, but the continent faces a critical labor shortage, and immigrants from the Islamic world are the only ones to fill it."

    A hundred million Filipinos disagree. (Granted, 10% are Muslims.)

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @syonredux
    @Hippopotamusdrome


    Europe Needs Its Muslims Too Much to Fight Them

    A pity about terrorism, but the continent faces a critical labor shortage, and immigrants from the Islamic world are the only ones to fill it. It’s time to get vulgar and value money over religion and origin.
    David Rosenberg Jan 15, 2015 3:58 PM
     
    Call me crazy, but I like labor shortages. They drive up wages and encourage technological innovation.
  21. @Dan Hess
    There is a non-selfish case for strong borders, which is the argument from ecology. I have never heard this argument made, but consider ocean ecology.

    The open ocean is, relatively speaking, uniform, bland and mostly barren. If you take a square km of open ocean, there will be some life but it will not be very pretty or diverse.

    Contrast this with a reef (whether natural or man-made). It is teeming with colorful life of all kinds, with incredible variety and beauty. One square km of reef contains orders of magnitude more life and much more diversity than the open ocean ever could. This is naturally achieved with coral but you can achieve the same effect by sinking a ship or even dropping a rusty city bus in the ocean.

    What achieves this? Simply, borders, walls, barriers. If you suddenly made all the walls vanish in a reef ecosystem, surely 99% of all its life would be dead within a week, even though the climate would be the same in all other respects.

    Barriers are the stuff that ecosystems are made of, and this is just as true of humans as it is of marine life. Globalists who seek a borderless 'open ocean' are dissolving cultures and reducing human thriving (for most) and reducing diversity.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Erik Sieven, @Travis, @Anonym, @Anonymous Nephew, @guest, @Anonymous, @Kurt van Ghoye, @This Is Our Home

    agree…Globalism and open borders destroys diversity. Just as open borders between American states began to destroy the diversity between American cities with the introduction of modern Highways and Jet travel.

    While the left constantly talks about embracing diversity, their true goal is to end diversity via one World government and race mixing to eliminate the white race.

  22. Terrorist attacks lead to a backlash against the active voice.

  23. @PiltdownMan
    @BenKenobi

    Rukmini Callimachi was born Romanian, but apparently she moved to California as a kid with her mother and grandmother and studied at the Thacher School.

    I don't know about the last name, but she was named after a famous Southern Indian Brahmin dancer from the last century, a prominent member of a religio-philosophical sect called the Theosophists which had a prominent California presence in Ojai, home of the theosophist mystic J. Krishnamurti. So, basically, as a kid, she tagged along with her hippy-dippy female elders.

    Replies: @5371, @Romanian

    Nutty Romanian mothers can get pretty nutty, Irina Ionesco comes to mind.

  24. @Dan Hess
    There is a non-selfish case for strong borders, which is the argument from ecology. I have never heard this argument made, but consider ocean ecology.

    The open ocean is, relatively speaking, uniform, bland and mostly barren. If you take a square km of open ocean, there will be some life but it will not be very pretty or diverse.

    Contrast this with a reef (whether natural or man-made). It is teeming with colorful life of all kinds, with incredible variety and beauty. One square km of reef contains orders of magnitude more life and much more diversity than the open ocean ever could. This is naturally achieved with coral but you can achieve the same effect by sinking a ship or even dropping a rusty city bus in the ocean.

    What achieves this? Simply, borders, walls, barriers. If you suddenly made all the walls vanish in a reef ecosystem, surely 99% of all its life would be dead within a week, even though the climate would be the same in all other respects.

    Barriers are the stuff that ecosystems are made of, and this is just as true of humans as it is of marine life. Globalists who seek a borderless 'open ocean' are dissolving cultures and reducing human thriving (for most) and reducing diversity.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Erik Sieven, @Travis, @Anonym, @Anonymous Nephew, @guest, @Anonymous, @Kurt van Ghoye, @This Is Our Home

    Frankly I don’t think this is a good argument. Reef works much better as an anchor for seaweed than sand or deep water does. It also provides more shelter than sand does generally. Oxygenation and proximity to light are also factors.

    I love borders, don’t get me wrong. But if we are going to use environmental reasons for borders, encouraging people who breed like locusts in a malthusian fashion and are otherwise slash and burn type poor environmental stewards – yeah, let’s let these people migrate everywhere so that the magic dirt, magic education system and magic laws can turn them into something they are not and never will be.

  25. @Dan Hess
    There is a non-selfish case for strong borders, which is the argument from ecology. I have never heard this argument made, but consider ocean ecology.

    The open ocean is, relatively speaking, uniform, bland and mostly barren. If you take a square km of open ocean, there will be some life but it will not be very pretty or diverse.

    Contrast this with a reef (whether natural or man-made). It is teeming with colorful life of all kinds, with incredible variety and beauty. One square km of reef contains orders of magnitude more life and much more diversity than the open ocean ever could. This is naturally achieved with coral but you can achieve the same effect by sinking a ship or even dropping a rusty city bus in the ocean.

    What achieves this? Simply, borders, walls, barriers. If you suddenly made all the walls vanish in a reef ecosystem, surely 99% of all its life would be dead within a week, even though the climate would be the same in all other respects.

    Barriers are the stuff that ecosystems are made of, and this is just as true of humans as it is of marine life. Globalists who seek a borderless 'open ocean' are dissolving cultures and reducing human thriving (for most) and reducing diversity.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Erik Sieven, @Travis, @Anonym, @Anonymous Nephew, @guest, @Anonymous, @Kurt van Ghoye, @This Is Our Home

    “Globalists who seek a borderless ‘open ocean’ are dissolving cultures and reducing human thriving (for most) and reducing diversity.”

    Apparently for our elites “diversity” means having exactly the same dysfunctional black and muslim minorities in every European town and city.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Anonymous Nephew

    What the hell is "human thriving?"

  26. @Anon 2
    Young men, due to their boundless physical and
    sexual energy, need a rite of passage that will teach
    them how to channel this energy in socially acceptable
    ways. Otherwise the energy will be used to commit
    atrocities, as in the recent events. Primitive societies used
    to require such a rite of passage, we no longer do.
    Marriage and military service, for example, no longer
    play a role as civilizing agents because 1. Women are
    now rejecting early marriage (great for women's careers
    but of doubtful value for their morality as women now
    ride the cock carousel until their late 20s), 2. The draft was
    eliminated (in the U.S.) in 1973.

    Therefore I'm convinced that the society needs to reintroduce
    some form of a rite of passage for both men and women.
    We're still primitive at heart, the fact that was still recognized
    in the early 20th century when many felt that we had become
    overly civilized, and war was seen as a bracing agent, a test of
    manhood, that prevented the society from falling into decadence
    and hedonism. We don't have to go that far but I believe some
    form of compulsory military cum community service should
    be reintroduced to act as civilizing agents. College is a civilizing
    agent but it's not enough simply because only the top 25-30% of
    the population complete four-year degrees (and due to grade
    inflation and the proliferation of Mickey Mouse courses much
    of the challenge has been lost anyway). Women these days also
    need to be recivilized - the number of feral women appears to
    be growing exponentially

    Replies: @Anon 2, @Anon, @Cryptogenic, @Stan Adams, @avraham, @AnotherDad

    The recent atrocities, both in the U.S. and in France,
    show us that young men are out of control. The
    usual civilizing agents – religion, education,
    early marriage, military service (let alone family) –
    no longer seem effective. Rejection of early marriage,
    while producing many feral women, has been even
    worse for men who too often seem to have
    nothing better to do with their lives than squandering
    their energy on video games and masturbation to online
    porn. If Trump wins, I hope he gives serious consideration
    to reintroducing some sort of a rite of passage for
    18-20 year olds. Young people need to challenged hard at
    that age to make a successful transition into manhood
    and womanhood

  27. @El Dato
    Kinda fast here.

    Guys' not even a Muslim, just a drifting deadwood hick having bad impulse control with a name from across the Mediterranean.

    Let's hear it from the Daily Mail itself

    Even Timmy McVeigh beats that guy.

    Replies: @al gore rhythms, @Anonym, @Massimo Heitor, @Cwhatfuture, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Pericles, @Dirk Dagger

    http://www.answering-islam.org/Bailey/jihad.html

    1. Taqiyya on behalf of cousin.
    2. Killing the infidel in such a brave, effective, terror inspiring manner is a textbook way to have your sins forgiven by Allah at the critical moment of death. Mohammed is entitled to the full compliment of comely virgins for this act irrespective of the prior pork eating etc.

  28. If you’ve never seen it, watch The Battle for Algiers. Gripping, with a great score by Morricone. Useful on several levels – seeing the French be hardasses against the usual Muslim terror, and how the Algerians managed to kick the French out. Obviously the dynamics are different than what is playing out in France, but worthwhile seeing (enable captions). The French are not governed by North African Muslims, but in the analogous position being the majority and having to endure a pesky colony of incompatible people. All the French have to do is vote for someone willing to keep loading cargo ships with Muslims and send them across the Med to whatever country is unable to prevent such an unload. The more acts like Nice, the faster we will see that sort of mandate evolve. More Mohammed cartoon competitions please!

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Anonym

    Soon the Algerians will kick the French out of France.

    Replies: @Anonym

  29. @Steve Sailer
    @Dan Hess

    Related to that is that markets don't work very well in open oceans -- thus the constant problems with overfishing due to tragedy of the commons. Closer to shore, though, lots of different cultures have worked out different techniques for giving somebody property rights so they'll practice stewardship.

    Elinor Ostrom got the Economics quasi-Nobel prize for writing about topics like fishing rights.

    Replies: @PV van der Byl, @Anonymous, @wren

    New Zealand has come closest to solving the commons problem in fisheries. They established something very much like private property in parts of the ocean involving tranferable fishing rights.

  30. @avraham
    I am not very happy with Islam. I think that it the direct cause of all these kinds of attacks. And I think it ought to be banned. It definitely encourages this type of thing. When Muslims kill in the name of Islam, they are obeying their religion. In fact, it is their only guarantee to go to heaven. In fact, one could be a bad person all his life, play around, drink alcohol etc, and yet on the last day go out by killing Jews and Christians this would guarantee place in the highest heaven. What better way to go? People in Europe during the Middle Ages had much more accurate idea of what Islam is about and considered it as something entirely evil.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    This is an important Muslim belief that the MSM overlooks: Death in jihad negates all sin and guarantees passage to paradise.

    Quran (61:10-12) “O ye who believe! Shall I lead you to a bargain that will save you from a grievous Penalty? That ye believe in Allah and His Messenger, and that ye strive (your utmost) in the Cause of Allah, with your property and your persons: That will be best for you, if ye but knew! He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Gardens of Eternity: that is indeed the Supreme Achievement.” This verse was given at the battle Uhud and uses the Arabic word, Jihad.

    Some commentators said the 9/11 jihadi-kamikazes weren’t really Muslims because they spent some of their last days in Las Vegas, drinking and ogling strippers. But why not, when their martyrdom would cleanse them of all sin?

    Some commentators couldn’t reconcile Omar Mateen’s purported homosexuality with a belief in Islam. But if Mateen were a conflicted homosexual, his attack on the Pulse club would absolve him of any sin.

    Suicide is against Islam. Martyrdom is not. A Muslim in a state of depression or other mania is offered with a “good” way out.

    • Agree: Anonym
    • Replies: @Anonym
    @Harry Baldwin

    It is amazing how well versed so many Westerners have become with the nuts and bolts of Islam, and how great the online free resources are. When I was trying to understand Islam in the early 2000s period, none of that was available. People would think you were a nutcase for being concerned about it. Exponential growth, baby.

    , @avraham
    @Harry Baldwin

    Thank you for pointing out the place of that verse. I had forgotten exactly where it was located.

    In the meantime I noticed the mainstream media says the solution "to show Muslims more love." I am not kidding. I think the media has adopted a policy of see no evil hear no evil when it comes to Islam. And I admit I had a side to say they were right for many years,.. until experience after experience in along row of bad experiences with them trying to kill me convinced me that they are really not nice people.

    , @D. K.
    @Harry Baldwin

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/no-evidence-so-far-to-suggest-orlando-shooter-targeted-club-because-it-was-gay/2016/07/14/a7528674-4907-11e6-acbc-4d4870a079da_story.html

    Replies: @The most deplorable one

    , @stillCARealist
    @Harry Baldwin

    But the Orlando guy wasn't queer, apparently.

    anyway, don't Catholics believe a version of this too? Do last rites before you die ensure that you go to Heaven even if you lived a life of wanton sin? also, the thief on the cross repented at the last minute and he was guaranteed paradise.

    The difference here seems to be repentance at the end vs. killing and maiming infidels at the end. How is a terrorist slaughter a martyrdom? I'm not sure that's what Allah really intended. Although I consider Allah to be in the same class as Baal.

    Replies: @guest, @avraham, @Harry Baldwin

  31. @Harry Baldwin
    @avraham

    This is an important Muslim belief that the MSM overlooks: Death in jihad negates all sin and guarantees passage to paradise.


    Quran (61:10-12) "O ye who believe! Shall I lead you to a bargain that will save you from a grievous Penalty? That ye believe in Allah and His Messenger, and that ye strive (your utmost) in the Cause of Allah, with your property and your persons: That will be best for you, if ye but knew! He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Gardens of Eternity: that is indeed the Supreme Achievement." This verse was given at the battle Uhud and uses the Arabic word, Jihad.
     
    Some commentators said the 9/11 jihadi-kamikazes weren't really Muslims because they spent some of their last days in Las Vegas, drinking and ogling strippers. But why not, when their martyrdom would cleanse them of all sin?

    Some commentators couldn't reconcile Omar Mateen's purported homosexuality with a belief in Islam. But if Mateen were a conflicted homosexual, his attack on the Pulse club would absolve him of any sin.

    Suicide is against Islam. Martyrdom is not. A Muslim in a state of depression or other mania is offered with a "good" way out.

    Replies: @Anonym, @avraham, @D. K., @stillCARealist

    It is amazing how well versed so many Westerners have become with the nuts and bolts of Islam, and how great the online free resources are. When I was trying to understand Islam in the early 2000s period, none of that was available. People would think you were a nutcase for being concerned about it. Exponential growth, baby.

  32. Islam doesn’t kill. People do.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Anonymous

    Anonymous, yes ,of course you are correct in the narrowest sense, just like Catholicism doesn't condone pedophilia, but took a huge hit for not acting forcefully sooner. You know they have those bracelets, What Would Jesus Do, to be a constant reminder that Christ taught his followers, even to this day, to be loving, forgiving people. I think the vast majority of the Muslim terrorists, who slaughter the innocents, are doing what Mohamed would have done.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Anonymous


    Islam doesn’t kill.
     
    The dead in Nice beg to differ.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  33. @fredyetagain aka superhonky
    A little OT. (((Jesse Benn))) has smeared one of the martyred Dallas cops because he may have held politically incorrect opinions. Just vile.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Rob McX, @Erik L, @Alec Leamas, @rerere46, @Anonymous

    Surprised kosher Sailer let your comment through.

    We have to hand it to the tribe for being so open with their disdain for whites and getting away with it.

    Whites have no claim to superiority if we allow ourselves to be ruled by minorities.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @AndrewR

    I'd never heard of Jesse Benn before clicking the posted link. It's not as if he's some sort of American Jewish pope who can be presumed to speak for all or even a majority of us. As for Steve's possible Jewish ancestry, it's just an unproven hunch.

  34. Government has not ignored the challenge posed by a motorized citizenry. If license plate scanners are on every police force shopping list don’t imagine even more capable technology will not be deployed to prevent the ‘unauthorized use ( or misuse) of a motorized vehicle.

    While drunken illegal aliens driving uninsured pickups may not be high on the list of priorities of Washington being able to tax and immobilize citizen motorists surely is. Just as auto makers have moved beyond the perfectly serviceable and inexpensive ‘keyed’ ignition system ( for our safety and security of course) to early 20th century keyless ignitions there is no reason that an RFID chip cannot be embedded into our drivers licenses that would prevent the operator from driving a car ( or truck) without police approval. This too would be for our safety and security as it would eliminate driving without a license, high speed getaways, car jackings and terror by truck incidents. Cars could become self policing ‘snitches’ as well. Exceed the speed limit or run a red light and the car ‘reports’ you so you can be fined.

    If electric or natural gas fueled cars threaten state and federal gasoline tax revenues expect GPS to be installed on every vehicle and a tax placed on mileage driven though, of course , the fuel tax would remain.

    Ideally the car of the future will become ‘for official use’ only and the proletariat will, once again, be relegated to public transit systems.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @unit472

    Several states in the NE have already proposed a mileage tax, because the gas tax is not bringing in enough money for road repair. Such talk ignores things like Congress raiding the Highway Trust Fund for bike paths, union pension costs eating state budgets, environmental and safety regulations that increase the cost of building roads, etc.

    2) A modern vehicle collects much more data than you are told. There was a fatal crash around here recently where a kid going 115 t-boned a car turning left killing three people. The cops were able to reconstruct much of what happened (speed, when brakes were applied, etc.) by looking at the speeding car's computer. That car was a rental so perhaps it had extra stuff on it.

    3) The data from license plate scanners is routinely sold to a private company, and, of course, it's for our own good.

    Replies: @Brutusale

  35. Hey, Steve, I am prepared to chuck in $10 US dollars for every dance step you can do to the beat of this:

    Panhandling

    I want you to video it, and post it to this blog, of course.

    If any other commenters have a better video I am more than willing to up the ante just to see the Judeo-American Par Excellence in Steve Sailer dance for money.

    At the right price: Steve will dance.

    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
    @Pat Hannagan

    Just think of how many heart transplant recipients you can help, Steve.

    I want to start a drive for dollars USD to see you dance to the highest per/dollar amount.

    Just think how many unfortunate Jewish victims of TB there are out there, Steve, I am willing to donate $10 per dance step that Steve Sailer steps for a beneficiery that the ADL pontificates.

    How about it, Steve?

    Dance for me, Steve. I will match each $10 per dance step to the Jewish foundation of your choice. $20 per dance step!

    For all your mcstumpys! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siLVAAqolSw

    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Pat Hannagan

    I hope your blood alcohol content is > 0.3 Spanky.

  36. Kinda fast here.

    Guys’ not even a Muslim, just a drifting deadwood hick having bad impulse control with a name from across the Mediterranean.

    Let’s hear it from the Daily Mail itself

    Even Timmy McVeigh beats that guy.

    Pretty sure my latest position was that it’s wise to keep people from Terror-exporting regions and populations out of the west. That would include Tunisians of any persuasion.

    Just Sayin’.

  37. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @avraham
    I am not very happy with Islam. I think that it the direct cause of all these kinds of attacks. And I think it ought to be banned. It definitely encourages this type of thing. When Muslims kill in the name of Islam, they are obeying their religion. In fact, it is their only guarantee to go to heaven. In fact, one could be a bad person all his life, play around, drink alcohol etc, and yet on the last day go out by killing Jews and Christians this would guarantee place in the highest heaven. What better way to go? People in Europe during the Middle Ages had much more accurate idea of what Islam is about and considered it as something entirely evil.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    I am not very happy with Islam. I think that it the direct cause of all these kinds of attacks. And I think it ought to be banned.

    Islam is the cause of these attacks like the air we breath is the cause of them.

    Western invasion, bombing, occupation, and (in Palestine) ethnic cleansing of the Middle East is the true cause of this violence.

    Men will always resist when their group is invaded. Which is why jews desire to ban groups.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Anonymous


    Islam is the cause of these attacks like the air we breath is the cause of them.

    Western invasion, bombing, occupation, and (in Palestine) ethnic cleansing of the Middle East is the true cause of this violence.
     
    Yawn.

    If that were true then we'd presumably targeting of western states specifically involved. But what we tend to see is attacks everywhere there are muslims. Around the world and in the West as well. Belgium? Spain? Molesting and raping women in Germany and Sweden--what exactly is their crime? School girls in Timor? In Nigeria? Philippines, India, Thailand ... basically anywhere there are Muslims there is Muslim violence and terror.

    Furthermore, you're ignoring all violence *in house*. What exactly is the Yazidis crime that justifies murder, enslavement, rape and genocide *other* than not being sufficiently Muslim?

    Alternative and better theory:
    The conflict and violence is primarily ideological, with various Western interventions being justifications and grievances to nurse, to recruit and incite the faithful.

    Men will always resist when their group is invaded. Which is why jews desire to ban groups.
     
    That's how it's supposed to work. God i wish it was still so in the West!

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Calogero
    @Anonymous

    Islamic violence began with the mass murderer named Muhummad. They were invading Christian lands long before Christians tried to take those lands back. Anyway, even if everybody on earth was a Muslim, the Sunni, Shia, and the rest would still be slaughtering each other over some slight theological difference. Read the Koran and the Hadiths-Islam is violent in its very nature.

  38. The other angle that the msm is trying to go with is that the latest terrorist “wasn’t really a Muslim” because (according to his cousin) he drank, took drugs, ate pork (!) and didn’t go to the mosque.

    See? Islam isn’t to blame after all you stupid racists!

    Obviously the “cousin” (if he exists at all) is full of shit. This is is no different than the media falling all over itself to “prove” that Omar Mateen was secretly a bitter, repressed homosexual rather than the jihadi he actually was.

    If any man still believes mainstream news sources I just assume it’s because he’s too stupid or elderly to have found the alt right.

  39. @Pat Hannagan
    Hey, Steve, I am prepared to chuck in $10 US dollars for every dance step you can do to the beat of this:

    Panhandling

    I want you to video it, and post it to this blog, of course.

    If any other commenters have a better video I am more than willing to up the ante just to see the Judeo-American Par Excellence in Steve Sailer dance for money.

    At the right price: Steve will dance.

    Replies: @Pat Hannagan, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Just think of how many heart transplant recipients you can help, Steve.

    I want to start a drive for dollars USD to see you dance to the highest per/dollar amount.

    Just think how many unfortunate Jewish victims of TB there are out there, Steve, I am willing to donate $10 per dance step that Steve Sailer steps for a beneficiery that the ADL pontificates.

    How about it, Steve?

    Dance for me, Steve. I will match each $10 per dance step to the Jewish foundation of your choice. $20 per dance step!

    For all your mcstumpys!

  40. In the future, not just anyone will be able to drive a dangerous device like a truck or even a car on public highways. You will need to pass a special test, called a “driving test”, administered by crack government agents from an agency that will be known as the “DMV” (Division of Motor Vehicles). This corps of razor sharp young men and women (all themselves thoroughly vetted – only those possessing high school diplomas from one of our fine public schools will be hired) will be known far and wide for their speed and efficiency as well as their friendly demeanor – I predict that people will call them DuMmies out of affection. These agents will assess both your knowledge of the road safety laws as well as your driving skills. Only after this rigorous assessment will you receive a special permit from the government, called a “driver’s license”, which will permit you to drive on the highways. This will surely take care of this problem in short order.

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    @Jack D

    And in CA they have a Bureau of Automotive Repair to make sure the good citizens (and illegals) do not get ripped off:

    https://www.bar.ca.gov/

    , @Barnard
    @Jack D

    This will probably become part of the push driverless trucks, which of course no one would ever be able to hijack for terrorist purposes.

    , @WhatEvvs
    @Jack D

    LOL. What is your real name, Jack D. Houellebecq?

    In France, they would start the Islamic takeover with the Education Ministry. In the US, it would be the DMV, which is much more important.

  41. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @avraham
    I am not very happy with Islam. I think that it the direct cause of all these kinds of attacks. And I think it ought to be banned. It definitely encourages this type of thing. When Muslims kill in the name of Islam, they are obeying their religion. In fact, it is their only guarantee to go to heaven. In fact, one could be a bad person all his life, play around, drink alcohol etc, and yet on the last day go out by killing Jews and Christians this would guarantee place in the highest heaven. What better way to go? People in Europe during the Middle Ages had much more accurate idea of what Islam is about and considered it as something entirely evil.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    I am not very happy with Islam. I think that it the direct cause of all these kinds of attacks. And I think it ought to be banned. It definitely encourages this type of thing. When Muslims kill in the name of Islam, they are obeying their religion.

    Every single one of these incidents is justifiable in view of what the West has been doing to the Middle East in the past 99 years (to be precise).

    We in the West need to grow the f up and take some responsibility for our actions.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Anonymous

    You first.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Kylie
    @Anonymous

    "We in the West need to grow the f up and take some responsibility for our actions."

    I'm totally on board with this.

    I think the residents of Detroit should go first.

    , @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    I think you are absolutely right. We should start by nuking the home city of every terrorist. We can start with the home town of the guy in Nice. Then one more Arab city after each further terrorist incident. The Israelis only level the house of the terrorist. Not good enough. You have to raise the stakes and level the whole city. Either the Arabs will learn to leave the West alone or they won't exist any more - it's their choice. We gave the Japanese that choice and it worked out brilliantly for everyone.

  42. @PiltdownMan
    @BenKenobi

    Rukmini Callimachi was born Romanian, but apparently she moved to California as a kid with her mother and grandmother and studied at the Thacher School.

    I don't know about the last name, but she was named after a famous Southern Indian Brahmin dancer from the last century, a prominent member of a religio-philosophical sect called the Theosophists which had a prominent California presence in Ojai, home of the theosophist mystic J. Krishnamurti. So, basically, as a kid, she tagged along with her hippy-dippy female elders.

    Replies: @5371, @Romanian

    A Romanian? I’d never heard if her, which is weird, because, like many smaller nations, we have a hobby of identifying notables who are our co-ethincs, like the guy who played the Winter Soldier in the Marvel movies. The last name suggests a Greek origin and it isn’t Romanianized. She might be some sort of boyar family by-blow. Anyway, I have a new name to add to the list of Romanians who’ve made it in the world. I wonder if she still speaks the language.

    As an aside to the Rukmini angle, look to Eastern Europe for a future wave of hippy dippy SE Asian charismatic new age stuff. It was presaged by Mircea Eliade’s scholarly focus on the religions there. The Communists kept a lid on guru types as being subversive and prone to creating networks with political potential and infiltration capabilities. After the Revolution, In Romania, there was the Movement for Spiritual Integration in the Absolute (MISA) that became notorious in the 1990s for lurid tales of orgies, orgies with minors, golden showers, which were all true. The Founder, Gregorian Bivolaru, wanted for statutory rape, was granted Asylum by the Swede cucks (they were showing their future colors back then, as well, before Merkel’s children came) for religious persecution (he had a point too, the resurgent Orthodox Church was probably going to go Deus Vult on him to explore the limits of its power in the new regime, and the still conservative and straitlaced State was going to let them) . His followers still gather yearly to make human spirals of hundreds of people. They’re probably more careful with the underaged stuff. And this is an example of a fully formed movement, but lots of materials get translated, shared online, on New Age stuff. It’s popular with middle aged women, elderly non-curmudgeons, loopy youngsters, and other people who have a spiritual inclination which is not amenable to organized worship. Expect lots of hippie stuff in the future. PUAs should arm themselves properly.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Romanian


    (...the resurgent Orthodox Church was probably going to go Deus Vult on him to explore the limits of its power in the new regime, and the still conservative and straitlaced State was going to let them).
     
    Could the church really do that? I thought it had no secular power.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @PiltdownMan
    @Romanian

    Callimachis (Calmaşul or Călmaşu) are Boyars, according to Wikipedia. Here's a bit more on Rukmini Callimachi, if you are interested.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Callimachi_family
    http://economie.hotnews.ro/stiri-media_publicitate-5617394-rukmini-callimachi-jurnalista-americana-origine-romana-nominalizata-premiile-pulitzer.htm
    http://roxanapascariu.blogspot.sg/2009/04/rukmini-callimachi-pulitzer-winner-2009.html

  43. @Harry Baldwin
    @avraham

    This is an important Muslim belief that the MSM overlooks: Death in jihad negates all sin and guarantees passage to paradise.


    Quran (61:10-12) "O ye who believe! Shall I lead you to a bargain that will save you from a grievous Penalty? That ye believe in Allah and His Messenger, and that ye strive (your utmost) in the Cause of Allah, with your property and your persons: That will be best for you, if ye but knew! He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Gardens of Eternity: that is indeed the Supreme Achievement." This verse was given at the battle Uhud and uses the Arabic word, Jihad.
     
    Some commentators said the 9/11 jihadi-kamikazes weren't really Muslims because they spent some of their last days in Las Vegas, drinking and ogling strippers. But why not, when their martyrdom would cleanse them of all sin?

    Some commentators couldn't reconcile Omar Mateen's purported homosexuality with a belief in Islam. But if Mateen were a conflicted homosexual, his attack on the Pulse club would absolve him of any sin.

    Suicide is against Islam. Martyrdom is not. A Muslim in a state of depression or other mania is offered with a "good" way out.

    Replies: @Anonym, @avraham, @D. K., @stillCARealist

    Thank you for pointing out the place of that verse. I had forgotten exactly where it was located.

    In the meantime I noticed the mainstream media says the solution “to show Muslims more love.” I am not kidding. I think the media has adopted a policy of see no evil hear no evil when it comes to Islam. And I admit I had a side to say they were right for many years,.. until experience after experience in along row of bad experiences with them trying to kill me convinced me that they are really not nice people.

  44. @Diversity Heretic
    While one might be tempted to engaged in detailed refutation of the delusional thinking behind both these articles (it's not the instrument used in the terror attack it's the persons using the instrument), it would be pointless. A person with delusions cannot be talked out of them. The only solution is to get ourselves free of these lunatics!

    The only possible attack that I think would wake these people up (and probably not even then) would be a nuclear explosion in a major metropolitan area with hundreds of thousands dead and millions injured. But I hope that it doesn't come to that!

    Replies: @Erik Sieven, @Reg Cæsar, @Connecticut Famer, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    The only possible attack that I think would wake these people up (and probably not even then) would be a nuclear explosion in a major metropolitan area with hundreds of thousands dead and millions injured. But I hope that it doesn’t come to that!

    “These people” are by and large Democrats. They’ve produced the only leader in world history that has ever actually done that.

    So would they surrender just as quickly?

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Reg Cæsar


    “These people” are by and large Democrats. They’ve produced the only leader in world history that has ever actually done that.
     
    The modern Democrat is much different from those back in the Day, when they were willing to intern people; turn back immigrants; and vigorously prosecute a war.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  45. @Romanian
    @PiltdownMan

    A Romanian? I'd never heard if her, which is weird, because, like many smaller nations, we have a hobby of identifying notables who are our co-ethincs, like the guy who played the Winter Soldier in the Marvel movies. The last name suggests a Greek origin and it isn't Romanianized. She might be some sort of boyar family by-blow. Anyway, I have a new name to add to the list of Romanians who've made it in the world. I wonder if she still speaks the language.

    As an aside to the Rukmini angle, look to Eastern Europe for a future wave of hippy dippy SE Asian charismatic new age stuff. It was presaged by Mircea Eliade's scholarly focus on the religions there. The Communists kept a lid on guru types as being subversive and prone to creating networks with political potential and infiltration capabilities. After the Revolution, In Romania, there was the Movement for Spiritual Integration in the Absolute (MISA) that became notorious in the 1990s for lurid tales of orgies, orgies with minors, golden showers, which were all true. The Founder, Gregorian Bivolaru, wanted for statutory rape, was granted Asylum by the Swede cucks (they were showing their future colors back then, as well, before Merkel's children came) for religious persecution (he had a point too, the resurgent Orthodox Church was probably going to go Deus Vult on him to explore the limits of its power in the new regime, and the still conservative and straitlaced State was going to let them) . His followers still gather yearly to make human spirals of hundreds of people. They're probably more careful with the underaged stuff. And this is an example of a fully formed movement, but lots of materials get translated, shared online, on New Age stuff. It's popular with middle aged women, elderly non-curmudgeons, loopy youngsters, and other people who have a spiritual inclination which is not amenable to organized worship. Expect lots of hippie stuff in the future. PUAs should arm themselves properly.

    Replies: @Rob McX, @PiltdownMan

    (…the resurgent Orthodox Church was probably going to go Deus Vult on him to explore the limits of its power in the new regime, and the still conservative and straitlaced State was going to let them).

    Could the church really do that? I thought it had no secular power.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Rob McX

    Are you really that naive? In the US, the Catholic Church also had no SECULAR power and yet it was able to drive a (semi-unconstitutional) system of film censorship for decades and to stave off prosecution for its involvement in child rape for even longer. Or look at Franco's Spain or Czarist Russia (or Putin's neoCzarist Russia)

    Other than the Papal States, the Church has rarely had direct secular power (render unto Caesar, etc.) but it has had tremendous power nonetheless. The traditional European state stood upon a tripod of the church, the nobility (the government) and the people - when it worked they each supported and strengthened each other (when it didn't work they would fight). The Church would lend legitimacy to the State and vice versa.

    Replies: @5371

  46. @fredyetagain aka superhonky
    A little OT. (((Jesse Benn))) has smeared one of the martyred Dallas cops because he may have held politically incorrect opinions. Just vile.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Rob McX, @Erik L, @Alec Leamas, @rerere46, @Anonymous

    As evidence of the officer’s white supremacist views, Benn cites the fact that he had an Iron Cross tattoo, which he says is included in the Hate Symbols Database of the Anti-Defamation League – the biggest ethnic supremacy lobby in the world.

    • Replies: @Matthew Kelly
    @Rob McX

    "Hate Symbols Database"

    This gets me every time. It would be hilarious if it weren't so sad.

    Yet...it's still hilarious.

    , @U. Ranus
    @Rob McX

    > Hate Symbols Database of the Anti-Defamation League

    They recently added parentheses to the Hate Symbols Database.

    When they muster the chutzpah to add all other punctuation marks too, we'll finally know for sure the hateful truth about ... all of you!

    Replies: @Anonym

  47. @Diversity Heretic
    While one might be tempted to engaged in detailed refutation of the delusional thinking behind both these articles (it's not the instrument used in the terror attack it's the persons using the instrument), it would be pointless. A person with delusions cannot be talked out of them. The only solution is to get ourselves free of these lunatics!

    The only possible attack that I think would wake these people up (and probably not even then) would be a nuclear explosion in a major metropolitan area with hundreds of thousands dead and millions injured. But I hope that it doesn't come to that!

    Replies: @Erik Sieven, @Reg Cæsar, @Connecticut Famer, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    “The only possible attack that I think would wake these people up (and probably not even then) would be a nuclear explosion in a major metropolitan area with hundreds of thousands dead and millions injured. But I hope that it doesn’t come to that!”

    None of us do. Too frightening to contemplate. But there’s an old saying which goes something like “the wish is the father to the deed.”

    And I wonder how many people out there are Thinking The Unthinkable. And how many of them have the means at their disposal to do the deed. And it doesn’t need to be nuclear either. A chemical, biological or cyber attack would do just fine.

    One helluva mess we’ve gotten ourselves into, huh?

  48. Meanwhile back in Turkey it looks like the coup has failed.

    A number of people are about to learn the very painful lesson that if you attack the king, you damn well better kill the king.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Bill Jones

    For sure. A perfect pretext to mop up every political opponent to Erdogan. And it sounds like Gulenists were actually not directly involved. Rather, it was Army's desperate attempt to stop Islamization of the country. Now it will speed up dramatically. Eventually, some Turkish equivalent of Muslim Brotherhood will rise up and consume Erdogan.

  49. @Rob McX
    @Romanian


    (...the resurgent Orthodox Church was probably going to go Deus Vult on him to explore the limits of its power in the new regime, and the still conservative and straitlaced State was going to let them).
     
    Could the church really do that? I thought it had no secular power.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Are you really that naive? In the US, the Catholic Church also had no SECULAR power and yet it was able to drive a (semi-unconstitutional) system of film censorship for decades and to stave off prosecution for its involvement in child rape for even longer. Or look at Franco’s Spain or Czarist Russia (or Putin’s neoCzarist Russia)

    Other than the Papal States, the Church has rarely had direct secular power (render unto Caesar, etc.) but it has had tremendous power nonetheless. The traditional European state stood upon a tripod of the church, the nobility (the government) and the people – when it worked they each supported and strengthened each other (when it didn’t work they would fight). The Church would lend legitimacy to the State and vice versa.

    • Replies: @5371
    @Jack D

    [Putin’s neoCzarist Russia]

    top kek

  50. @Anon 2
    Young men, due to their boundless physical and
    sexual energy, need a rite of passage that will teach
    them how to channel this energy in socially acceptable
    ways. Otherwise the energy will be used to commit
    atrocities, as in the recent events. Primitive societies used
    to require such a rite of passage, we no longer do.
    Marriage and military service, for example, no longer
    play a role as civilizing agents because 1. Women are
    now rejecting early marriage (great for women's careers
    but of doubtful value for their morality as women now
    ride the cock carousel until their late 20s), 2. The draft was
    eliminated (in the U.S.) in 1973.

    Therefore I'm convinced that the society needs to reintroduce
    some form of a rite of passage for both men and women.
    We're still primitive at heart, the fact that was still recognized
    in the early 20th century when many felt that we had become
    overly civilized, and war was seen as a bracing agent, a test of
    manhood, that prevented the society from falling into decadence
    and hedonism. We don't have to go that far but I believe some
    form of compulsory military cum community service should
    be reintroduced to act as civilizing agents. College is a civilizing
    agent but it's not enough simply because only the top 25-30% of
    the population complete four-year degrees (and due to grade
    inflation and the proliferation of Mickey Mouse courses much
    of the challenge has been lost anyway). Women these days also
    need to be recivilized - the number of feral women appears to
    be growing exponentially

    Replies: @Anon 2, @Anon, @Cryptogenic, @Stan Adams, @avraham, @AnotherDad

    Rites of passage won’t do it. Those are just single events. You need a civilizing influence around, such as both parents in an intact family to teach you how to behave during your years of growing up.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Anon

    "Rites of passage won’t do it. Those are just single events. You need a civilizing influence around, such as both parents in an intact family to teach you how to behave during your years of growing up."

    The fatigue that comes from hard physical work does wonders for curbing mischievous and destructive impulses.

  51. No Terrorist at work in Nice – says French “Radicalisation-Expert”

    Breaking news from science-wonderland about Niece: There was no terrorist at work, but most likely a psycho, “who only imagined, being a terrorist” – says French “Radikalisation-Expert” Farhad Khorokhavar on the german news-site spon.

    See: This is differentiation of the highest – the scientific – order. There are people, who are terrorists, and then there’s people who only act like terrorists, but are no terrorists, because they previously t h o u g h t they were terrorists, even though there was no proof at the given moment of the scientific investigation, that this person would be a terrorist at all, whereas at the same time there were lots of little signs which told the expert, that this person might be one of those, who only imagine being a terrorist, because they are mentally ill.

    The quote from spon in german:

    Der französische Radikalisierungsexperte Farhad Khosrokhavar hat zahlreiche Islamisten in Gefängnissen interviewt – auch psychisch Kranke, die sich nur für Terroristen hielten. Der Nizza-Attentäter könnte so ein Fall gewesen ein.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Dieter Kief

    Several people have pronounced on this subject and declared Lahouaiej insane - a tricky diagnosis to make considering that it is posthumous and none of them ever met him. I'd imagine the bar for insanity would be set a lot higher if he were a white who attacked non-whites.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    , @syonredux
    @Dieter Kief


    Breaking news from science-wonderland about Niece: There was no terrorist at work, but most likely a psycho, “who only imagined, being a terrorist” – says French “Radikalisation-Expert” Farhad Khorokhavar on the german news-site spon.
     
    What exactly is the difference between being killed by a terrorist vs being killed by someone who only thinks that he is a terrorist?I think that we are going to need to call in a squad of Jesuit casuists on this one.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Dieter Kief, @Pericles

    , @Kylie
    @Dieter Kief

    "Breaking news from science-wonderland about Niece: There was no terrorist at work, but most likely a psycho, “who only imagined, being a terrorist” – says French “Radikalisation-Expert” Farhad Khorokhavar on the german news-site spon."

    But if this psycho had imagined that he was a woman, then he would have been a woman.

    I think I get it now.

  52. Well, then, the answer is very simple. After we finish our prayer to ban guns, we merely add another prayer to ban large trucks. That should do the trick. Then we can all go back to the real work of cleaning out the garage.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @tbraton

    Tbratan, And of course without trucks, we will need more trains to move freight and farm goods and thus more tracks. And who better than Mexican laborers to lay those tracks and until that is done, serve as beasts of burden to keep America humming. One of the largest owners of rails, rights of way and trains is Warren Buffet.

  53. @Anonymous Nephew
    @Dan Hess

    "Globalists who seek a borderless ‘open ocean’ are dissolving cultures and reducing human thriving (for most) and reducing diversity."

    Apparently for our elites "diversity" means having exactly the same dysfunctional black and muslim minorities in every European town and city.

    Replies: @guest

    What the hell is “human thriving?”

  54. @Dan Hess
    There is a non-selfish case for strong borders, which is the argument from ecology. I have never heard this argument made, but consider ocean ecology.

    The open ocean is, relatively speaking, uniform, bland and mostly barren. If you take a square km of open ocean, there will be some life but it will not be very pretty or diverse.

    Contrast this with a reef (whether natural or man-made). It is teeming with colorful life of all kinds, with incredible variety and beauty. One square km of reef contains orders of magnitude more life and much more diversity than the open ocean ever could. This is naturally achieved with coral but you can achieve the same effect by sinking a ship or even dropping a rusty city bus in the ocean.

    What achieves this? Simply, borders, walls, barriers. If you suddenly made all the walls vanish in a reef ecosystem, surely 99% of all its life would be dead within a week, even though the climate would be the same in all other respects.

    Barriers are the stuff that ecosystems are made of, and this is just as true of humans as it is of marine life. Globalists who seek a borderless 'open ocean' are dissolving cultures and reducing human thriving (for most) and reducing diversity.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Erik Sieven, @Travis, @Anonym, @Anonymous Nephew, @guest, @Anonymous, @Kurt van Ghoye, @This Is Our Home

    That argument would work better if the term “ecology” had more meaning than almost none at all.

    We don’t need biological arguments to defend the idea of property, anyway. That’s scientism. There are libraries full of books with non-scientistic arguments for it.

  55. Can these well-educated, current-events-aware MSM reporters for the New York Times honestly continue to believe in this dated liberal mythology? An entire article about how the Nice tragedy should lead us to rethink the safe use of trucks? Is that the key message from the terrible Nice event? Did any other partial solutions drift through the reporter’s mind as he researched and wrote this article? Is his brainwashing so powerful that the concept “less Muslim immigration” never popped up in his mind, perhaps when he had a brief moment of weakness in his personal thought-control discipline?

    It is just incredible how brainwashed some of these MSM reporters seem to be. Do they drop the pretense when they are not at work, and laugh at themselves? I really do not know how they manage to tow this line given current events. What do they whisper to each other on a night out in the local pub?

  56. Allah created muslims. It took Otto Benz to make them equal.

    • Replies: @PistolPete
    @Mr. Anon

  57. @Reg Cæsar
    @Diversity Heretic


    The only possible attack that I think would wake these people up (and probably not even then) would be a nuclear explosion in a major metropolitan area with hundreds of thousands dead and millions injured. But I hope that it doesn’t come to that!
     
    "These people" are by and large Democrats. They've produced the only leader in world history that has ever actually done that.

    So would they surrender just as quickly?

    Replies: @bomag

    “These people” are by and large Democrats. They’ve produced the only leader in world history that has ever actually done that.

    The modern Democrat is much different from those back in the Day, when they were willing to intern people; turn back immigrants; and vigorously prosecute a war.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @bomag

    They did those things to advance the party's interest, not the country's. They haven't changed at all, under the surface.

  58. @Anon 2
    Young men, due to their boundless physical and
    sexual energy, need a rite of passage that will teach
    them how to channel this energy in socially acceptable
    ways. Otherwise the energy will be used to commit
    atrocities, as in the recent events. Primitive societies used
    to require such a rite of passage, we no longer do.
    Marriage and military service, for example, no longer
    play a role as civilizing agents because 1. Women are
    now rejecting early marriage (great for women's careers
    but of doubtful value for their morality as women now
    ride the cock carousel until their late 20s), 2. The draft was
    eliminated (in the U.S.) in 1973.

    Therefore I'm convinced that the society needs to reintroduce
    some form of a rite of passage for both men and women.
    We're still primitive at heart, the fact that was still recognized
    in the early 20th century when many felt that we had become
    overly civilized, and war was seen as a bracing agent, a test of
    manhood, that prevented the society from falling into decadence
    and hedonism. We don't have to go that far but I believe some
    form of compulsory military cum community service should
    be reintroduced to act as civilizing agents. College is a civilizing
    agent but it's not enough simply because only the top 25-30% of
    the population complete four-year degrees (and due to grade
    inflation and the proliferation of Mickey Mouse courses much
    of the challenge has been lost anyway). Women these days also
    need to be recivilized - the number of feral women appears to
    be growing exponentially

    Replies: @Anon 2, @Anon, @Cryptogenic, @Stan Adams, @avraham, @AnotherDad

    Or we could just not allow Muslims into our country.

  59. To be fair, there is an intesting security issue here separate from the politics. Given that there is practically no prep needed for these attacks, and they raise no suspicions prior, and are even, to a limited extent, plausibly deniable if they aren’t made too blatant, it’s odd we haven’t seen many more. I expect this will start a trend.

  60. Trump should institute a moratorium on all migration from the NYTimes building to the US until we can figure out what’s going on…

  61. @dearieme
    Time for driverless trucks, then?

    Replies: @Bill, @Bill Jones, @let it burn, @Olorin

    Turning over the job of terrorist to hackers would certainly be interesting.

  62. O/T
    I think Pence is a mistake. His anti abortion and gay rights stuff is going to drive away white women who might have voted for Trump and conservatives are going to vote for him anyway over Clinton. I wouldn’t have gone with Gingrich and thought Christie would have been good but he apparently has skeletons in New Jersey.

  63. @fredyetagain aka superhonky
    A little OT. (((Jesse Benn))) has smeared one of the martyred Dallas cops because he may have held politically incorrect opinions. Just vile.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Rob McX, @Erik L, @Alec Leamas, @rerere46, @Anonymous

    So we’re doing that three parentheses to identify a Jew thing on iSteve now. Great. It’s good to have a marker for the antisemitic dipshits on this board

    • Replies: @Hunsdon
    @Erik L

    Jews are the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human beings I've ever known in my life.

    , @Anonymous
    @Erik L

    It’s good to have a marker for the antisemitic dipshits on this board

    What is your objection to jews identifying themselves?

    , @syonredux
    @Erik L


    So we’re doing that three parentheses to identify a Jew thing on iSteve now. Great. It’s good to have a marker for the antisemitic dipshits on this board
     
    It's less annoying than the silly "Scots-Irish" business, but not by much.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  64. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Jack D
    In the future, not just anyone will be able to drive a dangerous device like a truck or even a car on public highways. You will need to pass a special test, called a "driving test", administered by crack government agents from an agency that will be known as the "DMV" (Division of Motor Vehicles). This corps of razor sharp young men and women (all themselves thoroughly vetted - only those possessing high school diplomas from one of our fine public schools will be hired) will be known far and wide for their speed and efficiency as well as their friendly demeanor - I predict that people will call them DuMmies out of affection. These agents will assess both your knowledge of the road safety laws as well as your driving skills. Only after this rigorous assessment will you receive a special permit from the government, called a "driver's license", which will permit you to drive on the highways. This will surely take care of this problem in short order.

    Replies: @The most deplorable one, @Barnard, @WhatEvvs

    And in CA they have a Bureau of Automotive Repair to make sure the good citizens (and illegals) do not get ripped off:

    https://www.bar.ca.gov/

  65. @Rob McX
    @fredyetagain aka superhonky

    As evidence of the officer's white supremacist views, Benn cites the fact that he had an Iron Cross tattoo, which he says is included in the Hate Symbols Database of the Anti-Defamation League - the biggest ethnic supremacy lobby in the world.

    Replies: @Matthew Kelly, @U. Ranus

    “Hate Symbols Database”

    This gets me every time. It would be hilarious if it weren’t so sad.

    Yet…it’s still hilarious.

  66. @Marie
    Imagine, if you will, being the joyless Leftist in the NYT newsroom, committed to The Narrative at all costs, assigned to churn out headlines such as:

    "In Nice, a Vibrant Celebration Gives Way to a Trail of Death"

    "A Surly Misfit With No Terror Links Turned a Truck Into a Tank"

    Replies: @Matthew Kelly, @guest

    “A Surly Misfit With No Terror Links Turned a Truck Into a Tank”

    I particularly liked that one. Now imagine their despair as they have to contort this into The Narrative:

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/F/FRANCE_TRUCK_ATTACK_ISLAMIC_STATE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-07-16-04-51-34

  67. Those headlines are completely reasonable.

    Out of all the obnoxious distortions of truth that liberals propagate, this just doesn’t qualify.

    The headlines don’t explicitly blame Muslims or Arabs, but they certainly don’t deny it or even try to shift blame. They are also admitting that they don’t know how to stop this.

  68. @dearieme
    Time for driverless trucks, then?

    Replies: @Bill, @Bill Jones, @let it burn, @Olorin

    “Time for driverless trucks, then?”

    Road Drones?

  69. @El Dato
    Kinda fast here.

    Guys' not even a Muslim, just a drifting deadwood hick having bad impulse control with a name from across the Mediterranean.

    Let's hear it from the Daily Mail itself

    Even Timmy McVeigh beats that guy.

    Replies: @al gore rhythms, @Anonym, @Massimo Heitor, @Cwhatfuture, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Pericles, @Dirk Dagger

    Guys’ not even a Muslim, just a drifting deadwood hick having bad impulse control with a name from across the Mediterranean.

    The perp was not religious. But there is tribal, racial, ethnic, cultural hatred for France and ethnic French culture.

  70. @fredyetagain aka superhonky
    A little OT. (((Jesse Benn))) has smeared one of the martyred Dallas cops because he may have held politically incorrect opinions. Just vile.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Rob McX, @Erik L, @Alec Leamas, @rerere46, @Anonymous

    The little imp is the one who called for “white wounding” and Leftist political violence. He seems to really want a fight. I can’t tell you how much I hope he really gets one.

  71. @Anon 2
    Young men, due to their boundless physical and
    sexual energy, need a rite of passage that will teach
    them how to channel this energy in socially acceptable
    ways. Otherwise the energy will be used to commit
    atrocities, as in the recent events. Primitive societies used
    to require such a rite of passage, we no longer do.
    Marriage and military service, for example, no longer
    play a role as civilizing agents because 1. Women are
    now rejecting early marriage (great for women's careers
    but of doubtful value for their morality as women now
    ride the cock carousel until their late 20s), 2. The draft was
    eliminated (in the U.S.) in 1973.

    Therefore I'm convinced that the society needs to reintroduce
    some form of a rite of passage for both men and women.
    We're still primitive at heart, the fact that was still recognized
    in the early 20th century when many felt that we had become
    overly civilized, and war was seen as a bracing agent, a test of
    manhood, that prevented the society from falling into decadence
    and hedonism. We don't have to go that far but I believe some
    form of compulsory military cum community service should
    be reintroduced to act as civilizing agents. College is a civilizing
    agent but it's not enough simply because only the top 25-30% of
    the population complete four-year degrees (and due to grade
    inflation and the proliferation of Mickey Mouse courses much
    of the challenge has been lost anyway). Women these days also
    need to be recivilized - the number of feral women appears to
    be growing exponentially

    Replies: @Anon 2, @Anon, @Cryptogenic, @Stan Adams, @avraham, @AnotherDad

    Compulsory service is slavery.

    How many of the wars that America has fought in the last seventy years have been worth fighting?

    I would die for my homeland, but I wouldn’t give a dead fingernail for the regime that is now in power. Anyone serving in the military today is working for a government that is doing its darndest to destroy the last tattered remnants of the American way of life.

    The next time I see a homeless, limbless veteran weaving his wheelchair in and out of the cars parked at a busy intersection, I’ll salute him and say, “Aren’t you glad you got civilized?”

    (I’m not knocking the idea of serving one’s country. I’m not mocking those who serve. I’m knocking the idea of fighting and dying for the sake of those are screwing over this country. If you can’t tell the difference, then you need to take a good, hard look at the clowns in Washington and ask yourself whether they’re worth defending.)

    • Agree: Travis
    • Replies: @Anon 2
    @Stan Adams

    It doesn't need to be military service
    but some form of 6-12 month community service
    designed to be a rite of passage could be useful.
    It could be voluntary, earning the participant
    a college voucher or even college credits, thus
    attracting low-income youths who need this
    sort of thing the most. I work with young people -
    so many of them come from one-parent or broken
    families that they are completely unprepared for
    life. I think you've got to catch them at 18 or 20,
    and talk some sense into them before it's too late

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Bill Jones

  72. OT: The NYTimes also offers this Room for Debate item:

    Can We Just Live With Terrorism?

    Of course we can. I’ve been saying this for years. Terrorism is just like automobile fatalities. We love our cars – all different sizes and shapes, drivers of widely diverse abilities aged 12-100 drive them on road and off, anywhere and anytime we like! This costs about 3,000 deaths per month – but vibrant vehicular diversity is totally worth it. Same thing with cultural diversity and unlimited Hillary-style open borders. Totally worth it!

    Humans can get used to anything, as our global elites know well.

  73. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Dan Hess
    There is a non-selfish case for strong borders, which is the argument from ecology. I have never heard this argument made, but consider ocean ecology.

    The open ocean is, relatively speaking, uniform, bland and mostly barren. If you take a square km of open ocean, there will be some life but it will not be very pretty or diverse.

    Contrast this with a reef (whether natural or man-made). It is teeming with colorful life of all kinds, with incredible variety and beauty. One square km of reef contains orders of magnitude more life and much more diversity than the open ocean ever could. This is naturally achieved with coral but you can achieve the same effect by sinking a ship or even dropping a rusty city bus in the ocean.

    What achieves this? Simply, borders, walls, barriers. If you suddenly made all the walls vanish in a reef ecosystem, surely 99% of all its life would be dead within a week, even though the climate would be the same in all other respects.

    Barriers are the stuff that ecosystems are made of, and this is just as true of humans as it is of marine life. Globalists who seek a borderless 'open ocean' are dissolving cultures and reducing human thriving (for most) and reducing diversity.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Erik Sieven, @Travis, @Anonym, @Anonymous Nephew, @guest, @Anonymous, @Kurt van Ghoye, @This Is Our Home

    What the Hell is wrong with ‘selfishness’ anyway?

    Isn’t it the basis of the capital formation, and thus the material society which delivers us everything from our daily bread to the water coming out of the faucet?

    Didn’t Adam Smith point this out centuries ago?

    Sorry, I simply will not and cannot apologise for the fact that our white, European ancestors made successful societies and functioning economies by dint of their sheer hard work, talent, brains, energy, self-restraint and organisation.

    What I do resent and *hate* are those dirty faker/frauds who think that they can gatecrash the west and just simply ‘take’ what they feel is ‘entitled’ to them, despite the obvious, though we are not allowed to say it, fact that they have no *blood connection* to the societies they wish to plunder.

    In my opinion they are infinitely worse than burglars and thieves-in-the-night. At least thieves are ‘honest’ in that they do not pretend to be virtuous.

    In fact who I *hate* even more than the faker/frauds are scum politicians such as Herr Merkel, the EU petit-dictators and that trash who write for The Economist Magazine who give the scum ‘intellectual’ cover.

  74. @dearieme
    Time for driverless trucks, then?

    Replies: @Bill, @Bill Jones, @let it burn, @Olorin

    “Time for driverless trucks, then?”

    which will be hacked, like all computers eventually are, providing endless, remote fun for all!

  75. @dearieme
    Time for driverless trucks, then?

    Replies: @Bill, @Bill Jones, @let it burn, @Olorin

    Great idea, right after we implement banksterless banks.

  76. France didn’t destroy Libya, Rafale jets did.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @George

    LOL! We need to keep them out of those Froggys' hands - don't know what they'll do with them!

  77. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @Dan Hess

    Related to that is that markets don't work very well in open oceans -- thus the constant problems with overfishing due to tragedy of the commons. Closer to shore, though, lots of different cultures have worked out different techniques for giving somebody property rights so they'll practice stewardship.

    Elinor Ostrom got the Economics quasi-Nobel prize for writing about topics like fishing rights.

    Replies: @PV van der Byl, @Anonymous, @wren

    Only one ‘free market’ operates in the ocean.

    He who has got the biggest mouth gobbles up all.

    ‘Twas ever thus – such is the story of the evolution of jaws from jawless fish and the daddy of them all the (extinct) mega great white Megalodon.
    Strangely Megalodon was a victim of its own success as it drove the great whales into cold water.

    Anyhow, the dictum above is the only ‘ethic’ nature ever had – the sea is the fount of all life and perhaps the starkest theater of aeons old evolutionary drama – and despite all bullshit to the contrary the only ‘ethic’ of what we might term ‘sapien social systems’ ever had.

    – And currently it’s the muzzies who are making, literal, mincemeat out of her typical mangina meterosexual Euro-poofter.

  78. @Romanian
    @PiltdownMan

    A Romanian? I'd never heard if her, which is weird, because, like many smaller nations, we have a hobby of identifying notables who are our co-ethincs, like the guy who played the Winter Soldier in the Marvel movies. The last name suggests a Greek origin and it isn't Romanianized. She might be some sort of boyar family by-blow. Anyway, I have a new name to add to the list of Romanians who've made it in the world. I wonder if she still speaks the language.

    As an aside to the Rukmini angle, look to Eastern Europe for a future wave of hippy dippy SE Asian charismatic new age stuff. It was presaged by Mircea Eliade's scholarly focus on the religions there. The Communists kept a lid on guru types as being subversive and prone to creating networks with political potential and infiltration capabilities. After the Revolution, In Romania, there was the Movement for Spiritual Integration in the Absolute (MISA) that became notorious in the 1990s for lurid tales of orgies, orgies with minors, golden showers, which were all true. The Founder, Gregorian Bivolaru, wanted for statutory rape, was granted Asylum by the Swede cucks (they were showing their future colors back then, as well, before Merkel's children came) for religious persecution (he had a point too, the resurgent Orthodox Church was probably going to go Deus Vult on him to explore the limits of its power in the new regime, and the still conservative and straitlaced State was going to let them) . His followers still gather yearly to make human spirals of hundreds of people. They're probably more careful with the underaged stuff. And this is an example of a fully formed movement, but lots of materials get translated, shared online, on New Age stuff. It's popular with middle aged women, elderly non-curmudgeons, loopy youngsters, and other people who have a spiritual inclination which is not amenable to organized worship. Expect lots of hippie stuff in the future. PUAs should arm themselves properly.

    Replies: @Rob McX, @PiltdownMan

  79. The Op-Ed calls for a longer term strategy. “Great,” I thought.

    A search for “immigra-” gives 0 results. No mention either of religion in the “environment that fosters terrorism.”

  80. It would be tragic if, as a result of this one unfortunate incident, trucks are no longer made welcome at festive events such as Bastille Day.

    Untangling the motives of this one, troubled truck is impossible. So please don’t try.

    On the other hand, have you noticed how many truckers are white? I have, and I shall not rest until this unacceptable situation is put to rights.

  81. @Jack D
    In the future, not just anyone will be able to drive a dangerous device like a truck or even a car on public highways. You will need to pass a special test, called a "driving test", administered by crack government agents from an agency that will be known as the "DMV" (Division of Motor Vehicles). This corps of razor sharp young men and women (all themselves thoroughly vetted - only those possessing high school diplomas from one of our fine public schools will be hired) will be known far and wide for their speed and efficiency as well as their friendly demeanor - I predict that people will call them DuMmies out of affection. These agents will assess both your knowledge of the road safety laws as well as your driving skills. Only after this rigorous assessment will you receive a special permit from the government, called a "driver's license", which will permit you to drive on the highways. This will surely take care of this problem in short order.

    Replies: @The most deplorable one, @Barnard, @WhatEvvs

    This will probably become part of the push driverless trucks, which of course no one would ever be able to hijack for terrorist purposes.

  82. @Jack D
    @Rob McX

    Are you really that naive? In the US, the Catholic Church also had no SECULAR power and yet it was able to drive a (semi-unconstitutional) system of film censorship for decades and to stave off prosecution for its involvement in child rape for even longer. Or look at Franco's Spain or Czarist Russia (or Putin's neoCzarist Russia)

    Other than the Papal States, the Church has rarely had direct secular power (render unto Caesar, etc.) but it has had tremendous power nonetheless. The traditional European state stood upon a tripod of the church, the nobility (the government) and the people - when it worked they each supported and strengthened each other (when it didn't work they would fight). The Church would lend legitimacy to the State and vice versa.

    Replies: @5371

    [Putin’s neoCzarist Russia]

    top kek

  83. @fredyetagain aka superhonky
    A little OT. (((Jesse Benn))) has smeared one of the martyred Dallas cops because he may have held politically incorrect opinions. Just vile.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Rob McX, @Erik L, @Alec Leamas, @rerere46, @Anonymous

    I’ve come to have the conviction that what persons like this Benn’s do and say is not their fault, but the fault of all who allow them to.

    Supremacists like him, and the organizations he adheres to, should be openly despised by any civil person caring for social fairness. Any contact with them refused.

    You write? I don’t read.
    You tweet? I block.
    I meet you in person? Don’t talk to me, and don’t come to close, please!
    You sell goods online, even as a Prime seller?
    I don’t wanna buy anything from you. thanks!

    Needless to say, exploitative people like Paul Graham who serve the haters of their kind to turn in personal benefits should be despised more still.

    It’s drowsy people that allow supremacism at their expenses.

  84. This is simple. Beyond a new round of hashtags we ban trucks from the Muslim community since trucks can be animate and take control of the driver and make him/her do crazy things. And since everyone knows that Muslims are the most peaceful people on earth (c’mon, the recent terror attacks and ISIS have nothing to do with Islam) this is likely what happened in Nice, France. Even Allah is no match for most trucks, especially ice cream trucks and he definitely lost this round.

    We just have to keep on banning stuff, like guns, trucks and free speech, and blaming and shaming white people until this multiculturalism thing finally catches on and finally creates utopia.

  85. @Harry Baldwin
    @avraham

    This is an important Muslim belief that the MSM overlooks: Death in jihad negates all sin and guarantees passage to paradise.


    Quran (61:10-12) "O ye who believe! Shall I lead you to a bargain that will save you from a grievous Penalty? That ye believe in Allah and His Messenger, and that ye strive (your utmost) in the Cause of Allah, with your property and your persons: That will be best for you, if ye but knew! He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Gardens of Eternity: that is indeed the Supreme Achievement." This verse was given at the battle Uhud and uses the Arabic word, Jihad.
     
    Some commentators said the 9/11 jihadi-kamikazes weren't really Muslims because they spent some of their last days in Las Vegas, drinking and ogling strippers. But why not, when their martyrdom would cleanse them of all sin?

    Some commentators couldn't reconcile Omar Mateen's purported homosexuality with a belief in Islam. But if Mateen were a conflicted homosexual, his attack on the Pulse club would absolve him of any sin.

    Suicide is against Islam. Martyrdom is not. A Muslim in a state of depression or other mania is offered with a "good" way out.

    Replies: @Anonym, @avraham, @D. K., @stillCARealist

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    @D. K.

    Are you suggesting that the lies the MSM and authorities tell us are to be believed?

    Did they give him a psych test before or after the event to determine if what Harry Baldwin said was incorrect?

    Replies: @D. K.

  86. Bandit Akbar!

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Wyrd

    Trucks Gone Bad!

    http://www.metacafe.com/watch/an-xixt4b27th2mm/smokey_and_the_bandit_1977_cledus_fights_bikers_part_2/

  87. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @D. K.
    @Harry Baldwin

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/no-evidence-so-far-to-suggest-orlando-shooter-targeted-club-because-it-was-gay/2016/07/14/a7528674-4907-11e6-acbc-4d4870a079da_story.html

    Replies: @The most deplorable one

    Are you suggesting that the lies the MSM and authorities tell us are to be believed?

    Did they give him a psych test before or after the event to determine if what Harry Baldwin said was incorrect?

    • Replies: @D. K.
    @The most deplorable one

    You will have to ask Harry Baldwin himself when the last time was that he was given a "psych test." I choose to believe mainstream reports of the FBI's investigational findings over the online musings of Harry Baldwin, who is personally unknown to me, yes. The FBI has every institutional reason to provide a narrative that is copacetic with what President Barrack Obama and Attorney General Loretta Lynch explicitly believe; and yet, it has not. That tells me, as a former attorney, inter alia, much of what I need to know.

    The FBI's investigation has found zero evidence that Omar Mateen was either gay or bisexual-- other than the highly dubious claims of a few local homosexual men. The FBI has scoured his electronic devices, yet found no trace of a secret gay or bisexual lifestyle; what was found, instead, was that he had been cheating on his second wife with other women. There were no suggestive chats or e-mail exchanges with other men; no gay-dating apps; no male erotica; no location-tracking information to put him where the fabulating gayboys claimed that he had been with them. The FBI found no tapes from those places' surveillance devices showing his presence, either. During his attack, Omar Mateen reportedly made no "homophobic" comments to any of his victims, and he cited no such anti-LGBT motivation in either his several calls to 9-1-1 or his online postings, during his long siege.

    The insinuation that the mainstream media, along with the federal government, would have any interest in covering up an anti-LGBT motive for this notorious massacre is abjectly ludicrous, on the face of it. A generation or two from now, it still will be the conventional wisdom that the one-time deadliest shooting in the modern history of American civic life was an anti-LGBTXYZ attack by a closeted homosexual, of no known ideological beliefs, nonetheless driven to mass murder of his fellow oppressed members of the sexual minority by an homophobic Euro-Christian culture.

  88. @Pat Hannagan
    But, think about it deeper, instead of assuming that the media is manned by morons, which they aren't, and assume they are manned and womanned by people very smart.

    Why would the media keep coming up with some new excuse that contradicts the last excuse? Why would these people never reflect that what they excused last Tuesday they now blame for this Wednesday? Why would the media keep contradicting themselves yet always with the same collective goal in mind?

    I reckon, Steve, there's more going on.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyHNlfT6B9E

    And I reckon you are missing it.

    Replies: @yowza, @Kylie, @the cruncher

    I reckon, Steve, there’s more going on.

    And I reckon you are missing it

    .

    You know, sometimes a commentor can try to be so cute that nobody knows what the fuck the commentor is actually talking about.

  89. @Dan Hess
    There is a non-selfish case for strong borders, which is the argument from ecology. I have never heard this argument made, but consider ocean ecology.

    The open ocean is, relatively speaking, uniform, bland and mostly barren. If you take a square km of open ocean, there will be some life but it will not be very pretty or diverse.

    Contrast this with a reef (whether natural or man-made). It is teeming with colorful life of all kinds, with incredible variety and beauty. One square km of reef contains orders of magnitude more life and much more diversity than the open ocean ever could. This is naturally achieved with coral but you can achieve the same effect by sinking a ship or even dropping a rusty city bus in the ocean.

    What achieves this? Simply, borders, walls, barriers. If you suddenly made all the walls vanish in a reef ecosystem, surely 99% of all its life would be dead within a week, even though the climate would be the same in all other respects.

    Barriers are the stuff that ecosystems are made of, and this is just as true of humans as it is of marine life. Globalists who seek a borderless 'open ocean' are dissolving cultures and reducing human thriving (for most) and reducing diversity.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Erik Sieven, @Travis, @Anonym, @Anonymous Nephew, @guest, @Anonymous, @Kurt van Ghoye, @This Is Our Home

    That’s a useful rhetorical arrow. I’ll tuck it in the quiver. Hell, it also has the ring of truth. We are some form of enspirited animal, after all. We ought to have a say in the formation of our ecologies.

  90. If it didn’t happen in the USA, for some reason the subject of gun control isn’t raised! I just don’t understand…

  91. @Pat Hannagan
    But, think about it deeper, instead of assuming that the media is manned by morons, which they aren't, and assume they are manned and womanned by people very smart.

    Why would the media keep coming up with some new excuse that contradicts the last excuse? Why would these people never reflect that what they excused last Tuesday they now blame for this Wednesday? Why would the media keep contradicting themselves yet always with the same collective goal in mind?

    I reckon, Steve, there's more going on.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyHNlfT6B9E

    And I reckon you are missing it.

    Replies: @yowza, @Kylie, @the cruncher

    I LOVE THIS CLIP!

    Alan Jones had a gorgeous voice (no surprise there, he was of Welsh ancestry) and phenomenal breath control. He simply owns this song. Poor Mario Lanza’s version is so thin it’s pitiful.

    Jeanette MacDonald could hold her own with Jones but Irene Dunne, whom I adore, was hopelessly out of her depth when paired with him in Showboat.

    Thanks for posting this.

  92. @El Dato
    Kinda fast here.

    Guys' not even a Muslim, just a drifting deadwood hick having bad impulse control with a name from across the Mediterranean.

    Let's hear it from the Daily Mail itself

    Even Timmy McVeigh beats that guy.

    Replies: @al gore rhythms, @Anonym, @Massimo Heitor, @Cwhatfuture, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Pericles, @Dirk Dagger

    Islam is a religion and a “culture” or civilization. It is the equivalent of Christianity and what used to be called Christendom. Muslims use the word this way often, in such absurd statements as: “Islam gave the West science”. He was most assuredly from Islam.

  93. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    We know evil rednecks tend to be truck drivers. Shoot, Trump’s famous hat is a truck driver hat. I bet they like to wear them too, yuck, so plebeian. We have to end truck driving as a job. Google get on this. In the mean time did you have that wonderful halal goat on rice? Wasn’t sure if the meat was actually meat, but it was so erotic, oopphsss!! I meant exotic. Silly me

  94. @Dan Hess
    There is a non-selfish case for strong borders, which is the argument from ecology. I have never heard this argument made, but consider ocean ecology.

    The open ocean is, relatively speaking, uniform, bland and mostly barren. If you take a square km of open ocean, there will be some life but it will not be very pretty or diverse.

    Contrast this with a reef (whether natural or man-made). It is teeming with colorful life of all kinds, with incredible variety and beauty. One square km of reef contains orders of magnitude more life and much more diversity than the open ocean ever could. This is naturally achieved with coral but you can achieve the same effect by sinking a ship or even dropping a rusty city bus in the ocean.

    What achieves this? Simply, borders, walls, barriers. If you suddenly made all the walls vanish in a reef ecosystem, surely 99% of all its life would be dead within a week, even though the climate would be the same in all other respects.

    Barriers are the stuff that ecosystems are made of, and this is just as true of humans as it is of marine life. Globalists who seek a borderless 'open ocean' are dissolving cultures and reducing human thriving (for most) and reducing diversity.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Erik Sieven, @Travis, @Anonym, @Anonymous Nephew, @guest, @Anonymous, @Kurt van Ghoye, @This Is Our Home

    Shallow water has sun. Deep water has little. I love the analogy but still..

  95. We know evil rednecks tend to be truck drivers. Shoot, Trump’s famous hat is a truck driver hat. I bet they like to wear them too, yuck, so plebeian. We have to end truck driving as a job. Google get on this. In the mean time did you have that wonderful halal goat on rice? Wasn’t sure if the meat was actually meat, but it was so erotic, oopphsss!! I meant exotic. Silly me

  96. @Pat Hannagan
    But, think about it deeper, instead of assuming that the media is manned by morons, which they aren't, and assume they are manned and womanned by people very smart.

    Why would the media keep coming up with some new excuse that contradicts the last excuse? Why would these people never reflect that what they excused last Tuesday they now blame for this Wednesday? Why would the media keep contradicting themselves yet always with the same collective goal in mind?

    I reckon, Steve, there's more going on.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyHNlfT6B9E

    And I reckon you are missing it.

    Replies: @yowza, @Kylie, @the cruncher

    With so many variations of muslim ‘happenings’ no explanation but the truth can remain. Liberals are getting exhausted:

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2016/07/15/shitlibs-are-exhausted-heres-why/

  97. While we’re on the “look – squirrel” beat, I’ve seen a few stories pop up featuring one of the first killed Thursday – of course, a Muslim woman. The narrative adjusts quickly. See, we shouldn’t tar with the hate stick all Muslims – yea, nor any immigrant from far away now here with a pot-load of colorful cultural knick-knacks. This isn’t just a raghead vs. honky thing. They kill their own, y’see. They’re crazy. Gotta get ’em. And the best way to do that – to put the cuffs on ’em and haul ’em away to the hoosegow – is get ’em over here in our countries. That way, we can entrap them in a “kill the white cheese” plot and take ’em down without international red tape. Sure, there’s collateral damage…

    It would be genuinely tragic here if the real casualties are diversity and vibrancy.

  98. Are you really that naive? In the US, the Catholic Church also had no SECULAR power and yet it was able to drive a (semi-unconstitutional) system of film censorship for decades

    In the late 20s, early 30s, the Hollywood Jews went deeply into debt to finance talkies and then got in trouble with their early porn because the bank providing them finance, Bank of America, was run by a Catholic, A.H. Giannini, who put his foot down and in a meeting with the hollywood Jews told then he would no longer fund films prostituting the youth of America.

    A year later Dennis Cardinal Dougherty of Philadelphia organised a boycott of Hollywood and the Jews began to bleat to such a extent they gladly accepted the Production Code which was run by a Catholic, Joe Breen, who described the pernicious people of Hollywood as a bunch of drunken pagans deeply into pornography and sexual excess.

    Plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose

    All this, and more, is documented in E. Michael Jones, The Jewish Revolutionary Spirt snd its impact on world history

    and who is it now that controls discourse in America, who is it who controls the banks?

    • Replies: @tbraton
    @Mick Jagger gathers no Mosque

    That's a very interesting observation. I was somewhat familiar with the Hollywood production code, but I hadn't thought of it in those terms before.

    BTW great screen name. I still think a book collecting all the imaginative screen names on unz.com would be a scream.

  99. @Steve Sailer
    @Dan Hess

    Related to that is that markets don't work very well in open oceans -- thus the constant problems with overfishing due to tragedy of the commons. Closer to shore, though, lots of different cultures have worked out different techniques for giving somebody property rights so they'll practice stewardship.

    Elinor Ostrom got the Economics quasi-Nobel prize for writing about topics like fishing rights.

    Replies: @PV van der Byl, @Anonymous, @wren

    When the Japanese were ascendant a few years ago, it seemed that we always heard about their factory ships raping the ocean’s fish stocks, etc., but now, as I understand it, the Chinese are really sucking up all the fish, world-wide. Yet we don’t hear about it.

    What is different? Are my impressions just wrong?

  100. @Marie
    Imagine, if you will, being the joyless Leftist in the NYT newsroom, committed to The Narrative at all costs, assigned to churn out headlines such as:

    "In Nice, a Vibrant Celebration Gives Way to a Trail of Death"

    "A Surly Misfit With No Terror Links Turned a Truck Into a Tank"

    Replies: @Matthew Kelly, @guest

    Those headlines aren’t New York Timesy enough. They don’t even blame Whitey or transphobia.

  101. Obama tips his hand a little more than usual: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/07/15/obama-globalist-chronic-problem/

    Only a few more months to go. Of course, I am sure the Clinton Foundation has plenty of plans in place to wipe out any remaining “tribalism,” to be replaced by our globalist elite’s benevolent leadership.

  102. @fredyetagain aka superhonky
    A little OT. (((Jesse Benn))) has smeared one of the martyred Dallas cops because he may have held politically incorrect opinions. Just vile.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Rob McX, @Erik L, @Alec Leamas, @rerere46, @Anonymous

    Yeah, but if he were a black cop with black nationalist views, it’s not like you and other alt-righters wouldn’t have basically the same opinion Benn does.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Anonymous


    Yeah, but if he were a black cop with black nationalist views, it’s not like you and other alt-righters wouldn’t have basically the same opinion Benn does.
     
    Nonsense. I don't claim to speak for the alt-right but i have no problem with black nationalists or black nationalism. *If* they are willing to walk the walk. I have zero interest in listening to the whining of blacks blaming white people for their problems--as the reality is they are causing their own problems and on massive subsidy from whites. But some guy who is saying we don't get along and should go our separate ways. I'm good with that.

    I think *all* peoples deserve their own nations--the chance to govern themselves and live according to their own culture. Nations are the font of freedom.

    Heck the sooner i can be separated from both black nationalists and the likes of a punk like Jesse Benn ... the better.

  103. @The most deplorable one
    @D. K.

    Are you suggesting that the lies the MSM and authorities tell us are to be believed?

    Did they give him a psych test before or after the event to determine if what Harry Baldwin said was incorrect?

    Replies: @D. K.

    You will have to ask Harry Baldwin himself when the last time was that he was given a “psych test.” I choose to believe mainstream reports of the FBI’s investigational findings over the online musings of Harry Baldwin, who is personally unknown to me, yes. The FBI has every institutional reason to provide a narrative that is copacetic with what President Barrack Obama and Attorney General Loretta Lynch explicitly believe; and yet, it has not. That tells me, as a former attorney, inter alia, much of what I need to know.

    The FBI’s investigation has found zero evidence that Omar Mateen was either gay or bisexual– other than the highly dubious claims of a few local homosexual men. The FBI has scoured his electronic devices, yet found no trace of a secret gay or bisexual lifestyle; what was found, instead, was that he had been cheating on his second wife with other women. There were no suggestive chats or e-mail exchanges with other men; no gay-dating apps; no male erotica; no location-tracking information to put him where the fabulating gayboys claimed that he had been with them. The FBI found no tapes from those places’ surveillance devices showing his presence, either. During his attack, Omar Mateen reportedly made no “homophobic” comments to any of his victims, and he cited no such anti-LGBT motivation in either his several calls to 9-1-1 or his online postings, during his long siege.

    The insinuation that the mainstream media, along with the federal government, would have any interest in covering up an anti-LGBT motive for this notorious massacre is abjectly ludicrous, on the face of it. A generation or two from now, it still will be the conventional wisdom that the one-time deadliest shooting in the modern history of American civic life was an anti-LGBTXYZ attack by a closeted homosexual, of no known ideological beliefs, nonetheless driven to mass murder of his fellow oppressed members of the sexual minority by an homophobic Euro-Christian culture.

  104. @Harry Baldwin
    @avraham

    This is an important Muslim belief that the MSM overlooks: Death in jihad negates all sin and guarantees passage to paradise.


    Quran (61:10-12) "O ye who believe! Shall I lead you to a bargain that will save you from a grievous Penalty? That ye believe in Allah and His Messenger, and that ye strive (your utmost) in the Cause of Allah, with your property and your persons: That will be best for you, if ye but knew! He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Gardens of Eternity: that is indeed the Supreme Achievement." This verse was given at the battle Uhud and uses the Arabic word, Jihad.
     
    Some commentators said the 9/11 jihadi-kamikazes weren't really Muslims because they spent some of their last days in Las Vegas, drinking and ogling strippers. But why not, when their martyrdom would cleanse them of all sin?

    Some commentators couldn't reconcile Omar Mateen's purported homosexuality with a belief in Islam. But if Mateen were a conflicted homosexual, his attack on the Pulse club would absolve him of any sin.

    Suicide is against Islam. Martyrdom is not. A Muslim in a state of depression or other mania is offered with a "good" way out.

    Replies: @Anonym, @avraham, @D. K., @stillCARealist

    But the Orlando guy wasn’t queer, apparently.

    anyway, don’t Catholics believe a version of this too? Do last rites before you die ensure that you go to Heaven even if you lived a life of wanton sin? also, the thief on the cross repented at the last minute and he was guaranteed paradise.

    The difference here seems to be repentance at the end vs. killing and maiming infidels at the end. How is a terrorist slaughter a martyrdom? I’m not sure that’s what Allah really intended. Although I consider Allah to be in the same class as Baal.

    • Replies: @guest
    @stillCARealist

    Yeah, that is the Catholic loophole. Trouble is, you don't necessarily know when you're gonna die, and there might not be a priest available. Suicide terrorists know when they're going to die, obviously, but you can't kill yourself and get the last rights. So there's nothing in the Catholic faith like a jihad death cleansing one's sins.

    There is such a thing as Just War, and Catholics can kill, die, and reach salvation. But that doesn't include intentionally killing innocents. Maybe one day the Pope will think like a neocon and say there's no such thing as civilians in war, but I don't think that's happened yet.

    Replies: @avraham, @Pat Gilligan

    , @avraham
    @stillCARealist

    Originally for Christians baptism was the sole requirement to go to heaven (eventually). The trouble was purgatory. This was the reason baptism was delayed until right before death as with Constantine. The sacraments were to absolve from sin along with repentance in order to avoid purgatory.

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @stillCARealist

    I've heard that knights on the Crusades raped and pillaged their way through southern Europe and Constantinople, secure in the belief that participation in holy war would guarantee them absolution. Not so, according to this, from a religious site:


    Another famous urban legend surrounding the Crusades is even found among Christians. Evangelical scholar Ergun Caner criticizes the Pope for promising, “If you go and kill the infidel, you will be forgiven immediately — Paradise,” and concludes that, “There is fundamentally, no difference between bin Laden, in that case, and the Crusades.” This is a gross misrepresentation.

    A Bull of the Crusade granted indulgences to those who took part in the crusades for “all penitential practices incurred by the crusaders provided they confess their sins.” These indulgences were similar to those that had historically been granted to the faithful for helping to build churches, hospitals, orphanages, and monasteries. Unlike the Muslim’s guaranteed “ticket to Paradise” for dying in jihad, an indulgence is “not a permission to commit sin, nor a pardon of future sin; neither could be granted by any power. Indulgences cannot get anyone out of Hell. It is not the forgiveness of the guilt of sin; it supposes that the sin has already been forgiven.” Rather, indulgences are given for the remission of the temporal punishment due for sin that has been forgiven but not yet expunged by penance. Thus it was the temporal penances associated with forgiveness that were to be remitted.

    The promise of ultimate forgiveness of sins required a contrite heart and was offered ahead of time as an assurance that should a faithful Crusader die while on Crusade, his final absolution (“last rites”) was already in place. The characterization of the remission of temporary, purgatorial sufferings of an already-forgiven and Heaven-bound Christian to the singular guarantee of Islamic Paradise for a Muslim assassin who dies in Jihad is fundamentally flawed. The Crusades were presented as penitential acts of devotion, not “get-out-of-hell-free cards."
     
    Obama always like to bring up the Crusades for moral equivalence whenever the Muslims commit an atrocity, but he's comparing events of 1,000 years ago to events of today. And in any case, he's selectively ignorant about those historical events--only interested in anything that reflects poorly in Christendom.

    Obama has talked about our fear of "the Other." Penny Pritzker, his commerce secretary, said recently, “Today in our beloved United States, we are witnessing a rising fear of the other. We are better than the language of hate."

    What Obama and people like Pritzker won't admit is that when they embrace the "Other," they are really embracing those they identify with. To them, the real Other is the white, gentile American. Their fear and hatred is directed at that Other.
  105. So guns and trucks have agency but blacks and Muslims do not.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Kylie


    So guns and trucks have agency but blacks and Muslims do not.
     
    That's kind of like the "invader" argument for "reproductive choice": The woman is a person, but lacks agency, so us afforded choice. The fetus lacks personhood, but is guilty of criminal trespass, and even rape, and gets the death penalty.

    Replies: @Kylie

  106. Must see video. Demographic makeup of Paris vs. Moscow subway system:

  107. Can We Stop Terror-by-Truck?
    By ALI H. SOUFAN JULY 15, 2016

    The comments for this one are stupider than usual. These hi-IQ libs are lost in the ozone when it comes to Jihadist terror. They might as well get Eloi or Submission stamped on their foreheads.

  108. @Erik L
    @fredyetagain aka superhonky

    So we're doing that three parentheses to identify a Jew thing on iSteve now. Great. It's good to have a marker for the antisemitic dipshits on this board

    Replies: @Hunsdon, @Anonymous, @syonredux

    Jews are the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human beings I’ve ever known in my life.

  109. @Erik L
    @fredyetagain aka superhonky

    So we're doing that three parentheses to identify a Jew thing on iSteve now. Great. It's good to have a marker for the antisemitic dipshits on this board

    Replies: @Hunsdon, @Anonymous, @syonredux

    It’s good to have a marker for the antisemitic dipshits on this board

    What is your objection to jews identifying themselves?

  110. @stillCARealist
    @Harry Baldwin

    But the Orlando guy wasn't queer, apparently.

    anyway, don't Catholics believe a version of this too? Do last rites before you die ensure that you go to Heaven even if you lived a life of wanton sin? also, the thief on the cross repented at the last minute and he was guaranteed paradise.

    The difference here seems to be repentance at the end vs. killing and maiming infidels at the end. How is a terrorist slaughter a martyrdom? I'm not sure that's what Allah really intended. Although I consider Allah to be in the same class as Baal.

    Replies: @guest, @avraham, @Harry Baldwin

    Yeah, that is the Catholic loophole. Trouble is, you don’t necessarily know when you’re gonna die, and there might not be a priest available. Suicide terrorists know when they’re going to die, obviously, but you can’t kill yourself and get the last rights. So there’s nothing in the Catholic faith like a jihad death cleansing one’s sins.

    There is such a thing as Just War, and Catholics can kill, die, and reach salvation. But that doesn’t include intentionally killing innocents. Maybe one day the Pope will think like a neocon and say there’s no such thing as civilians in war, but I don’t think that’s happened yet.

    • Replies: @avraham
    @guest

    Baptism was for heaven. That was a guarantee. Everything else was to get out of Purgatory. Christians today do not know this because the Protestants denied the existence of Purgatory

    , @Pat Gilligan
    @guest

    I don't think Catholics are let off the hook for merely doing their duty in this modern age of warfare. IMO, for many of these people-- and I consider St. Teresa of Avila's vision of souls falling into hell in thinking this-- it's fade to black and then eternal separation from God (hell, or from the perspective of the soul consigned to it, eternal and complete solitary confinement). I hope no one goes to hell, but I think many do (especially in our age).

  111. @Anonymous
    @avraham

    I am not very happy with Islam. I think that it the direct cause of all these kinds of attacks. And I think it ought to be banned. It definitely encourages this type of thing. When Muslims kill in the name of Islam, they are obeying their religion.

    Every single one of these incidents is justifiable in view of what the West has been doing to the Middle East in the past 99 years (to be precise).

    We in the West need to grow the f up and take some responsibility for our actions.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Kylie, @Jack D

    You first.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Jim Don Bob

    You first.

    I do, Jim Don Bob. I really do.

    Time for you to do so, as well.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

  112. Islam is the cause of these attacks like the air we breath is the cause of them.

    Western invasion, bombing, occupation, and (in Palestine) ethnic cleansing of the Middle East is the true cause of this violence.

    Men will always resist when their group is invaded. Which is why jews desire to ban groups.

    I don’t care about their motives. Keep them out and they can’t go on rampages against us.

    Simple, really.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Svigor

    I don’t care about their motives. Keep them out and they can’t go on rampages against us.

    I am in favor for reasons that include but go far beyond "terror" prevention.

    However, why not also remove the most obvious, intuitive, provocative cause? After all, no border is completely impervious and Americans do travel to and trade with other countries. Plus, it would be the moral thing to do, and the most economical.

  113. @Dieter Kief
    No Terrorist at work in Nice - says French "Radicalisation-Expert"

    Breaking news from science-wonderland about Niece: There was no terrorist at work, but most likely a psycho, "who only imagined, being a terrorist" - says French "Radikalisation-Expert" Farhad Khorokhavar on the german news-site spon.

    See: This is differentiation of the highest - the scientific - order. There are people, who are terrorists, and then there's people who only act like terrorists, but are no terrorists, because they previously t h o u g h t they were terrorists, even though there was no proof at the given moment of the scientific investigation, that this person would be a terrorist at all, whereas at the same time there were lots of little signs which told the expert, that this person might be one of those, who only imagine being a terrorist, because they are mentally ill.

    The quote from spon in german:

    Der französische Radikalisierungsexperte Farhad Khosrokhavar hat zahlreiche Islamisten in Gefängnissen interviewt - auch psychisch Kranke, die sich nur für Terroristen hielten. Der Nizza-Attentäter könnte so ein Fall gewesen ein.

    Replies: @Rob McX, @syonredux, @Kylie

    Several people have pronounced on this subject and declared Lahouaiej insane – a tricky diagnosis to make considering that it is posthumous and none of them ever met him. I’d imagine the bar for insanity would be set a lot higher if he were a white who attacked non-whites.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @Rob McX

    Right - the expert speaks posthumous - without any personal relation to Lahouaiej. This makes his claim very weak at its foundations.


    Plus: The expert Farhad Khorokhavar makes a claim that goes like this: I happened to meet so-called terrorists, who did nothing but phantasize, because they were ill. Just like Lahouaiej. - At this point his argument gets factually wrong - because Lahouaiej - who was able to outsmart the Nice police, who indeed controlled him in the truck, before he went amok with it - but that's just an aside - because Lahouaiej did kill people - and did not just phantasize about doing so.

    In order to point out that there are indeed mentally ill mass-killers, or mentally ill people, who phantasize about being a mass-killer, which is the plain and simple truth, Khorokhavar presented his inductive thought-construction, which impressed at least one of the leading german news-outlets, even though it is based on at least (!) one wrong assumption.

  114. @Rob McX
    @fredyetagain aka superhonky

    As evidence of the officer's white supremacist views, Benn cites the fact that he had an Iron Cross tattoo, which he says is included in the Hate Symbols Database of the Anti-Defamation League - the biggest ethnic supremacy lobby in the world.

    Replies: @Matthew Kelly, @U. Ranus

    > Hate Symbols Database of the Anti-Defamation League

    They recently added parentheses to the Hate Symbols Database.

    When they muster the chutzpah to add all other punctuation marks too, we’ll finally know for sure the hateful truth about … all of you!

    • Replies: @Anonym
    @U. Ranus

    First they came for the iron cross tattooed folk, but I didn't speak out because I didn't have one.
    Then they came for the triple parenthesis users, but I didn't speak out because I didn't use triple parenthesis.
    Then they came for those who used other letters of the alph{#`%${%&`+'${`%&NO CARRIER

  115. @stillCARealist
    @Harry Baldwin

    But the Orlando guy wasn't queer, apparently.

    anyway, don't Catholics believe a version of this too? Do last rites before you die ensure that you go to Heaven even if you lived a life of wanton sin? also, the thief on the cross repented at the last minute and he was guaranteed paradise.

    The difference here seems to be repentance at the end vs. killing and maiming infidels at the end. How is a terrorist slaughter a martyrdom? I'm not sure that's what Allah really intended. Although I consider Allah to be in the same class as Baal.

    Replies: @guest, @avraham, @Harry Baldwin

    Originally for Christians baptism was the sole requirement to go to heaven (eventually). The trouble was purgatory. This was the reason baptism was delayed until right before death as with Constantine. The sacraments were to absolve from sin along with repentance in order to avoid purgatory.

  116. @Hippopotamusdrome
    www.haaretz.com


    Europe Needs Its Muslims Too Much to Fight Them

    A pity about terrorism, but the continent faces a critical labor shortage, and immigrants from the Islamic world are the only ones to fill it. It's time to get vulgar and value money over religion and origin.
    David Rosenberg Jan 15, 2015 3:58 PM

     

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @syonredux

    “A pity about terrorism, but the continent faces a critical labor shortage, and immigrants from the Islamic world are the only ones to fill it.”

    A hundred million Filipinos disagree. (Granted, 10% are Muslims.)

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    A hundred million Filipinos disagree. (Granted, 10% are Muslims.)

    As do millions of unemployed men in Spain, Greece, Italy, Britain, and Portugal.

    Check out those unemployment rates - wow!

  117. @unit472
    Government has not ignored the challenge posed by a motorized citizenry. If license plate scanners are on every police force shopping list don't imagine even more capable technology will not be deployed to prevent the 'unauthorized use ( or misuse) of a motorized vehicle.

    While drunken illegal aliens driving uninsured pickups may not be high on the list of priorities of Washington being able to tax and immobilize citizen motorists surely is. Just as auto makers have moved beyond the perfectly serviceable and inexpensive 'keyed' ignition system ( for our safety and security of course) to early 20th century keyless ignitions there is no reason that an RFID chip cannot be embedded into our drivers licenses that would prevent the operator from driving a car ( or truck) without police approval. This too would be for our safety and security as it would eliminate driving without a license, high speed getaways, car jackings and terror by truck incidents. Cars could become self policing 'snitches' as well. Exceed the speed limit or run a red light and the car 'reports' you so you can be fined.

    If electric or natural gas fueled cars threaten state and federal gasoline tax revenues expect GPS to be installed on every vehicle and a tax placed on mileage driven though, of course , the fuel tax would remain.

    Ideally the car of the future will become 'for official use' only and the proletariat will, once again, be relegated to public transit systems.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Several states in the NE have already proposed a mileage tax, because the gas tax is not bringing in enough money for road repair. Such talk ignores things like Congress raiding the Highway Trust Fund for bike paths, union pension costs eating state budgets, environmental and safety regulations that increase the cost of building roads, etc.

    2) A modern vehicle collects much more data than you are told. There was a fatal crash around here recently where a kid going 115 t-boned a car turning left killing three people. The cops were able to reconstruct much of what happened (speed, when brakes were applied, etc.) by looking at the speeding car’s computer. That car was a rental so perhaps it had extra stuff on it.

    3) The data from license plate scanners is routinely sold to a private company, and, of course, it’s for our own good.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Jim Don Bob

    The cost of building a mile of road in Massachusetts is about 4X that in New Hampshire. Why is that?

  118. @Steve Sailer
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    "A pity about terrorism, but the continent faces a critical labor shortage, and immigrants from the Islamic world are the only ones to fill it."

    A hundred million Filipinos disagree. (Granted, 10% are Muslims.)

    Replies: @Anonymous

    A hundred million Filipinos disagree. (Granted, 10% are Muslims.)

    As do millions of unemployed men in Spain, Greece, Italy, Britain, and Portugal.

    Check out those unemployment rates – wow!

  119. @Anon 2
    Young men, due to their boundless physical and
    sexual energy, need a rite of passage that will teach
    them how to channel this energy in socially acceptable
    ways. Otherwise the energy will be used to commit
    atrocities, as in the recent events. Primitive societies used
    to require such a rite of passage, we no longer do.
    Marriage and military service, for example, no longer
    play a role as civilizing agents because 1. Women are
    now rejecting early marriage (great for women's careers
    but of doubtful value for their morality as women now
    ride the cock carousel until their late 20s), 2. The draft was
    eliminated (in the U.S.) in 1973.

    Therefore I'm convinced that the society needs to reintroduce
    some form of a rite of passage for both men and women.
    We're still primitive at heart, the fact that was still recognized
    in the early 20th century when many felt that we had become
    overly civilized, and war was seen as a bracing agent, a test of
    manhood, that prevented the society from falling into decadence
    and hedonism. We don't have to go that far but I believe some
    form of compulsory military cum community service should
    be reintroduced to act as civilizing agents. College is a civilizing
    agent but it's not enough simply because only the top 25-30% of
    the population complete four-year degrees (and due to grade
    inflation and the proliferation of Mickey Mouse courses much
    of the challenge has been lost anyway). Women these days also
    need to be recivilized - the number of feral women appears to
    be growing exponentially

    Replies: @Anon 2, @Anon, @Cryptogenic, @Stan Adams, @avraham, @AnotherDad

    amazing insightful comment

  120. @Hippopotamusdrome
    www.haaretz.com


    Europe Needs Its Muslims Too Much to Fight Them

    A pity about terrorism, but the continent faces a critical labor shortage, and immigrants from the Islamic world are the only ones to fill it. It's time to get vulgar and value money over religion and origin.
    David Rosenberg Jan 15, 2015 3:58 PM

     

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @syonredux

    Europe Needs Its Muslims Too Much to Fight Them

    A pity about terrorism, but the continent faces a critical labor shortage, and immigrants from the Islamic world are the only ones to fill it. It’s time to get vulgar and value money over religion and origin.
    David Rosenberg Jan 15, 2015 3:58 PM

    Call me crazy, but I like labor shortages. They drive up wages and encourage technological innovation.

  121. @Anon
    @Anon 2

    Rites of passage won't do it. Those are just single events. You need a civilizing influence around, such as both parents in an intact family to teach you how to behave during your years of growing up.

    Replies: @Kylie

    “Rites of passage won’t do it. Those are just single events. You need a civilizing influence around, such as both parents in an intact family to teach you how to behave during your years of growing up.”

    The fatigue that comes from hard physical work does wonders for curbing mischievous and destructive impulses.

  122. @guest
    @stillCARealist

    Yeah, that is the Catholic loophole. Trouble is, you don't necessarily know when you're gonna die, and there might not be a priest available. Suicide terrorists know when they're going to die, obviously, but you can't kill yourself and get the last rights. So there's nothing in the Catholic faith like a jihad death cleansing one's sins.

    There is such a thing as Just War, and Catholics can kill, die, and reach salvation. But that doesn't include intentionally killing innocents. Maybe one day the Pope will think like a neocon and say there's no such thing as civilians in war, but I don't think that's happened yet.

    Replies: @avraham, @Pat Gilligan

    Baptism was for heaven. That was a guarantee. Everything else was to get out of Purgatory. Christians today do not know this because the Protestants denied the existence of Purgatory

  123. @Erik L
    @fredyetagain aka superhonky

    So we're doing that three parentheses to identify a Jew thing on iSteve now. Great. It's good to have a marker for the antisemitic dipshits on this board

    Replies: @Hunsdon, @Anonymous, @syonredux

    So we’re doing that three parentheses to identify a Jew thing on iSteve now. Great. It’s good to have a marker for the antisemitic dipshits on this board

    It’s less annoying than the silly “Scots-Irish” business, but not by much.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @syonredux

    It’s less annoying than the silly “Scots-Irish” business, but not by much.

    What do you find annoying about it?

    Replies: @syonredux

  124. @syonredux
    @Erik L


    So we’re doing that three parentheses to identify a Jew thing on iSteve now. Great. It’s good to have a marker for the antisemitic dipshits on this board
     
    It's less annoying than the silly "Scots-Irish" business, but not by much.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    It’s less annoying than the silly “Scots-Irish” business, but not by much.

    What do you find annoying about it?

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Anonymous


    It’s less annoying than the silly “Scots-Irish” business, but not by much.

    What do you find annoying about it?
     
    I dislike cutesy signifiers. If someone wants to say that such-and-such person is Jewish, just use the "J" word. We're all grown-ups here.
  125. @Dieter Kief
    No Terrorist at work in Nice - says French "Radicalisation-Expert"

    Breaking news from science-wonderland about Niece: There was no terrorist at work, but most likely a psycho, "who only imagined, being a terrorist" - says French "Radikalisation-Expert" Farhad Khorokhavar on the german news-site spon.

    See: This is differentiation of the highest - the scientific - order. There are people, who are terrorists, and then there's people who only act like terrorists, but are no terrorists, because they previously t h o u g h t they were terrorists, even though there was no proof at the given moment of the scientific investigation, that this person would be a terrorist at all, whereas at the same time there were lots of little signs which told the expert, that this person might be one of those, who only imagine being a terrorist, because they are mentally ill.

    The quote from spon in german:

    Der französische Radikalisierungsexperte Farhad Khosrokhavar hat zahlreiche Islamisten in Gefängnissen interviewt - auch psychisch Kranke, die sich nur für Terroristen hielten. Der Nizza-Attentäter könnte so ein Fall gewesen ein.

    Replies: @Rob McX, @syonredux, @Kylie

    Breaking news from science-wonderland about Niece: There was no terrorist at work, but most likely a psycho, “who only imagined, being a terrorist” – says French “Radikalisation-Expert” Farhad Khorokhavar on the german news-site spon.

    What exactly is the difference between being killed by a terrorist vs being killed by someone who only thinks that he is a terrorist?I think that we are going to need to call in a squad of Jesuit casuists on this one.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @syonredux

    What exactly is the difference between being killed by a terrorist vs being killed by someone who only thinks that he is a terrorist?I think that we are going to need to call in a squad of Jesuit casuists on this one.

    What is the difference between being killed by a terrorist and being killed by someone in the US Army or Air Force or Navy (or perhaps a drone) who only thinks he is not a terrorist?

    Replies: @syonredux

    , @Dieter Kief
    @syonredux

    @ sonyredux

    In the moment one finds a context like yours (Jesuits), the problem isn't the problem it once was anymore. This is the kind of magic that's at the core of the western rational system. Max Weber was wrong: It isn't all in the command of the iron cage called obedience. There's lots of fun in this kind of thinking - and humor too. It's a little subtle though, here and there, i'd admit that. - - Thanks.

    @ Rob McX

    Right - the expert speaks posthumous - without any personal relation to Lahouaiej. This makes his claim very weak at its foundations.


    Plus: The expert Farhad Khorokhavar makes a claim that goes like this: I happened to meet so-called terrorists, who did nothing but phantasize, because they were ill. Just like Lahouaiej. - At this point his argument gets factually wrong - because Lahouaiej - who was able to outsmart the Nice police, who indeed controlled him in the truck, before he went amok with it - but that's just an aside - because Lahouaiej did kill people - and did not just phantasize about doing so.

    In order to point out that there are indeed mentally ill mass-killers, or mentally ill people, who phantasize about being a mass-killer, which is the plain and simple truth, Khorokhavar presented his inductive thought-construction, which impressed at least one of the leading german news-outlets, even though it is based on at least (!) one wrong assumption.

    , @Pericles
    @syonredux

    Yes ... Jesuits ...

  126. @Stan Adams
    @Anon 2

    Compulsory service is slavery.

    How many of the wars that America has fought in the last seventy years have been worth fighting?

    I would die for my homeland, but I wouldn't give a dead fingernail for the regime that is now in power. Anyone serving in the military today is working for a government that is doing its darndest to destroy the last tattered remnants of the American way of life.

    The next time I see a homeless, limbless veteran weaving his wheelchair in and out of the cars parked at a busy intersection, I'll salute him and say, "Aren't you glad you got civilized?"

    (I'm not knocking the idea of serving one's country. I'm not mocking those who serve. I'm knocking the idea of fighting and dying for the sake of those are screwing over this country. If you can't tell the difference, then you need to take a good, hard look at the clowns in Washington and ask yourself whether they're worth defending.)

    Replies: @Anon 2

    It doesn’t need to be military service
    but some form of 6-12 month community service
    designed to be a rite of passage could be useful.
    It could be voluntary, earning the participant
    a college voucher or even college credits, thus
    attracting low-income youths who need this
    sort of thing the most. I work with young people –
    so many of them come from one-parent or broken
    families that they are completely unprepared for
    life. I think you’ve got to catch them at 18 or 20,
    and talk some sense into them before it’s too late

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anon 2

    You could draft everybody to spend the summer they turn 18 training to be disaster relief volunteers: fill sandbags to fight floods, fight wildfires, that kind of thing.

    Replies: @Anon 2, @Jim Don Bob

    , @Bill Jones
    @Anon 2

    " I work with young people "

    code for "I am a parasitic tax eater"

    Replies: @Anon 2

  127. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux
    @Dieter Kief


    Breaking news from science-wonderland about Niece: There was no terrorist at work, but most likely a psycho, “who only imagined, being a terrorist” – says French “Radikalisation-Expert” Farhad Khorokhavar on the german news-site spon.
     
    What exactly is the difference between being killed by a terrorist vs being killed by someone who only thinks that he is a terrorist?I think that we are going to need to call in a squad of Jesuit casuists on this one.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Dieter Kief, @Pericles

    What exactly is the difference between being killed by a terrorist vs being killed by someone who only thinks that he is a terrorist?I think that we are going to need to call in a squad of Jesuit casuists on this one.

    What is the difference between being killed by a terrorist and being killed by someone in the US Army or Air Force or Navy (or perhaps a drone) who only thinks he is not a terrorist?

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Anonymous


    What exactly is the difference between being killed by a terrorist vs being killed by someone who only thinks that he is a terrorist?I think that we are going to need to call in a squad of Jesuit casuists on this one.

    What is the difference between being killed by a terrorist and being killed by someone in the US Army or Air Force or Navy (or perhaps a drone) who only thinks he is not a terrorist?
     
    MMMM, let's see, off the top of my head, I would note that lots of these Muslim terrorists are, you know, living in the communities where they commit their fell work.For example, Syed Rizwan Farook was an American citizen (born in Chicago) and the Tsarnaevs had been granted asylum in the USA. So, they are either killing their fellow citizens or they are killing their hosts. In either case, bad form.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  128. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Svigor

    Islam is the cause of these attacks like the air we breath is the cause of them.

    Western invasion, bombing, occupation, and (in Palestine) ethnic cleansing of the Middle East is the true cause of this violence.

    Men will always resist when their group is invaded. Which is why jews desire to ban groups.
     
    I don't care about their motives. Keep them out and they can't go on rampages against us.

    Simple, really.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I don’t care about their motives. Keep them out and they can’t go on rampages against us.

    I am in favor for reasons that include but go far beyond “terror” prevention.

    However, why not also remove the most obvious, intuitive, provocative cause? After all, no border is completely impervious and Americans do travel to and trade with other countries. Plus, it would be the moral thing to do, and the most economical.

  129. @Anon 2
    @Stan Adams

    It doesn't need to be military service
    but some form of 6-12 month community service
    designed to be a rite of passage could be useful.
    It could be voluntary, earning the participant
    a college voucher or even college credits, thus
    attracting low-income youths who need this
    sort of thing the most. I work with young people -
    so many of them come from one-parent or broken
    families that they are completely unprepared for
    life. I think you've got to catch them at 18 or 20,
    and talk some sense into them before it's too late

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Bill Jones

    You could draft everybody to spend the summer they turn 18 training to be disaster relief volunteers: fill sandbags to fight floods, fight wildfires, that kind of thing.

    • Replies: @Anon 2
    @Steve Sailer

    Yes, training to be disaster relief volunteers would
    be a good example of what I have in mind. You need
    to get them away from their local environment,
    esp. true for urban youths

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Steve Sailer

    WRONG! Such service would directed to far more lofty goals - refugee resettlement, swimming pool training for Somali males, etc. Nothing so gauche as actually building something, even if it the BS that is Habitat for Jimmah Carter.

    Look at where community service penalties are handed out; nobody ever gets sent to work it off at Catholic Charities. The big banks just settled predatory loan accusations with DOJ by giving hundreds of millions to La Raza and its ilk. The left never sleeps.

  130. @Jim Don Bob
    @Anonymous

    You first.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    You first.

    I do, Jim Don Bob. I really do.

    Time for you to do so, as well.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Anonymous

    Anonymous, Are you Tiny Duck?

    Replies: @Anonymous

  131. @Mr. Anon
    Allah created muslims. It took Otto Benz to make them equal.

    Replies: @PistolPete

    [MORE]

  132. @Rob McX
    @Dieter Kief

    Several people have pronounced on this subject and declared Lahouaiej insane - a tricky diagnosis to make considering that it is posthumous and none of them ever met him. I'd imagine the bar for insanity would be set a lot higher if he were a white who attacked non-whites.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    Right – the expert speaks posthumous – without any personal relation to Lahouaiej. This makes his claim very weak at its foundations.

    Plus: The expert Farhad Khorokhavar makes a claim that goes like this: I happened to meet so-called terrorists, who did nothing but phantasize, because they were ill. Just like Lahouaiej. – At this point his argument gets factually wrong – because Lahouaiej – who was able to outsmart the Nice police, who indeed controlled him in the truck, before he went amok with it – but that’s just an aside – because Lahouaiej did kill people – and did not just phantasize about doing so.

    In order to point out that there are indeed mentally ill mass-killers, or mentally ill people, who phantasize about being a mass-killer, which is the plain and simple truth, Khorokhavar presented his inductive thought-construction, which impressed at least one of the leading german news-outlets, even though it is based on at least (!) one wrong assumption.

  133. @Dieter Kief
    No Terrorist at work in Nice - says French "Radicalisation-Expert"

    Breaking news from science-wonderland about Niece: There was no terrorist at work, but most likely a psycho, "who only imagined, being a terrorist" - says French "Radikalisation-Expert" Farhad Khorokhavar on the german news-site spon.

    See: This is differentiation of the highest - the scientific - order. There are people, who are terrorists, and then there's people who only act like terrorists, but are no terrorists, because they previously t h o u g h t they were terrorists, even though there was no proof at the given moment of the scientific investigation, that this person would be a terrorist at all, whereas at the same time there were lots of little signs which told the expert, that this person might be one of those, who only imagine being a terrorist, because they are mentally ill.

    The quote from spon in german:

    Der französische Radikalisierungsexperte Farhad Khosrokhavar hat zahlreiche Islamisten in Gefängnissen interviewt - auch psychisch Kranke, die sich nur für Terroristen hielten. Der Nizza-Attentäter könnte so ein Fall gewesen ein.

    Replies: @Rob McX, @syonredux, @Kylie

    “Breaking news from science-wonderland about Niece: There was no terrorist at work, but most likely a psycho, “who only imagined, being a terrorist” – says French “Radikalisation-Expert” Farhad Khorokhavar on the german news-site spon.”

    But if this psycho had imagined that he was a woman, then he would have been a woman.

    I think I get it now.

  134. @Anonymous
    @avraham

    I am not very happy with Islam. I think that it the direct cause of all these kinds of attacks. And I think it ought to be banned. It definitely encourages this type of thing. When Muslims kill in the name of Islam, they are obeying their religion.

    Every single one of these incidents is justifiable in view of what the West has been doing to the Middle East in the past 99 years (to be precise).

    We in the West need to grow the f up and take some responsibility for our actions.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Kylie, @Jack D

    “We in the West need to grow the f up and take some responsibility for our actions.”

    I’m totally on board with this.

    I think the residents of Detroit should go first.

  135. @syonredux
    @Dieter Kief


    Breaking news from science-wonderland about Niece: There was no terrorist at work, but most likely a psycho, “who only imagined, being a terrorist” – says French “Radikalisation-Expert” Farhad Khorokhavar on the german news-site spon.
     
    What exactly is the difference between being killed by a terrorist vs being killed by someone who only thinks that he is a terrorist?I think that we are going to need to call in a squad of Jesuit casuists on this one.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Dieter Kief, @Pericles

    @ sonyredux

    In the moment one finds a context like yours (Jesuits), the problem isn’t the problem it once was anymore. This is the kind of magic that’s at the core of the western rational system. Max Weber was wrong: It isn’t all in the command of the iron cage called obedience. There’s lots of fun in this kind of thinking – and humor too. It’s a little subtle though, here and there, i’d admit that. – – Thanks.

    @ Rob McX

    Right – the expert speaks posthumous – without any personal relation to Lahouaiej. This makes his claim very weak at its foundations.

    Plus: The expert Farhad Khorokhavar makes a claim that goes like this: I happened to meet so-called terrorists, who did nothing but phantasize, because they were ill. Just like Lahouaiej. – At this point his argument gets factually wrong – because Lahouaiej – who was able to outsmart the Nice police, who indeed controlled him in the truck, before he went amok with it – but that’s just an aside – because Lahouaiej did kill people – and did not just phantasize about doing so.

    In order to point out that there are indeed mentally ill mass-killers, or mentally ill people, who phantasize about being a mass-killer, which is the plain and simple truth, Khorokhavar presented his inductive thought-construction, which impressed at least one of the leading german news-outlets, even though it is based on at least (!) one wrong assumption.

  136. @Steve Sailer
    @Anon 2

    You could draft everybody to spend the summer they turn 18 training to be disaster relief volunteers: fill sandbags to fight floods, fight wildfires, that kind of thing.

    Replies: @Anon 2, @Jim Don Bob

    Yes, training to be disaster relief volunteers would
    be a good example of what I have in mind. You need
    to get them away from their local environment,
    esp. true for urban youths

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anon 2

    9 weeks the summer you turn 18 in a single-sex camp, sleeping in big tents, being trained in how to help out during local disasters -- hurricanes in Louisiana, earthquakes in California -- along with general first aid training for heart attacks, auto accidents and the like.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anon 2, @PiltdownMan

  137. You lie Sailer, it wasn’t trucks,

    CNN tells us it was “the rise of European Fascism” that slaughtered the French.

    http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=55180

  138. @Anon 2
    @Stan Adams

    It doesn't need to be military service
    but some form of 6-12 month community service
    designed to be a rite of passage could be useful.
    It could be voluntary, earning the participant
    a college voucher or even college credits, thus
    attracting low-income youths who need this
    sort of thing the most. I work with young people -
    so many of them come from one-parent or broken
    families that they are completely unprepared for
    life. I think you've got to catch them at 18 or 20,
    and talk some sense into them before it's too late

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Bill Jones

    ” I work with young people ”

    code for “I am a parasitic tax eater”

    • Replies: @Anon 2
    @Bill Jones

    A (mildly) Christian, politically middle-of-the-road college professor is a
    parasitic tax eater? Colleges could use more people like me

  139. @Anonymous
    Islam doesn't kill. People do.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Anonymous, yes ,of course you are correct in the narrowest sense, just like Catholicism doesn’t condone pedophilia, but took a huge hit for not acting forcefully sooner. You know they have those bracelets, What Would Jesus Do, to be a constant reminder that Christ taught his followers, even to this day, to be loving, forgiving people. I think the vast majority of the Muslim terrorists, who slaughter the innocents, are doing what Mohamed would have done.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Buffalo Joe

    I think the vast majority of the Muslim terrorists, who slaughter the innocents, are doing what Mohamed would have done

    We Westerners are not innocent.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  140. @stillCARealist
    @Harry Baldwin

    But the Orlando guy wasn't queer, apparently.

    anyway, don't Catholics believe a version of this too? Do last rites before you die ensure that you go to Heaven even if you lived a life of wanton sin? also, the thief on the cross repented at the last minute and he was guaranteed paradise.

    The difference here seems to be repentance at the end vs. killing and maiming infidels at the end. How is a terrorist slaughter a martyrdom? I'm not sure that's what Allah really intended. Although I consider Allah to be in the same class as Baal.

    Replies: @guest, @avraham, @Harry Baldwin

    I’ve heard that knights on the Crusades raped and pillaged their way through southern Europe and Constantinople, secure in the belief that participation in holy war would guarantee them absolution. Not so, according to this, from a religious site:

    Another famous urban legend surrounding the Crusades is even found among Christians. Evangelical scholar Ergun Caner criticizes the Pope for promising, “If you go and kill the infidel, you will be forgiven immediately — Paradise,” and concludes that, “There is fundamentally, no difference between bin Laden, in that case, and the Crusades.” This is a gross misrepresentation.

    A Bull of the Crusade granted indulgences to those who took part in the crusades for “all penitential practices incurred by the crusaders provided they confess their sins.” These indulgences were similar to those that had historically been granted to the faithful for helping to build churches, hospitals, orphanages, and monasteries. Unlike the Muslim’s guaranteed “ticket to Paradise” for dying in jihad, an indulgence is “not a permission to commit sin, nor a pardon of future sin; neither could be granted by any power. Indulgences cannot get anyone out of Hell. It is not the forgiveness of the guilt of sin; it supposes that the sin has already been forgiven.” Rather, indulgences are given for the remission of the temporal punishment due for sin that has been forgiven but not yet expunged by penance. Thus it was the temporal penances associated with forgiveness that were to be remitted.

    The promise of ultimate forgiveness of sins required a contrite heart and was offered ahead of time as an assurance that should a faithful Crusader die while on Crusade, his final absolution (“last rites”) was already in place. The characterization of the remission of temporary, purgatorial sufferings of an already-forgiven and Heaven-bound Christian to the singular guarantee of Islamic Paradise for a Muslim assassin who dies in Jihad is fundamentally flawed. The Crusades were presented as penitential acts of devotion, not “get-out-of-hell-free cards.”

    Obama always like to bring up the Crusades for moral equivalence whenever the Muslims commit an atrocity, but he’s comparing events of 1,000 years ago to events of today. And in any case, he’s selectively ignorant about those historical events–only interested in anything that reflects poorly in Christendom.

    Obama has talked about our fear of “the Other.” Penny Pritzker, his commerce secretary, said recently, “Today in our beloved United States, we are witnessing a rising fear of the other. We are better than the language of hate.”

    What Obama and people like Pritzker won’t admit is that when they embrace the “Other,” they are really embracing those they identify with. To them, the real Other is the white, gentile American. Their fear and hatred is directed at that Other.

  141. @tbraton
    Well, then, the answer is very simple. After we finish our prayer to ban guns, we merely add another prayer to ban large trucks. That should do the trick. Then we can all go back to the real work of cleaning out the garage.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Tbratan, And of course without trucks, we will need more trains to move freight and farm goods and thus more tracks. And who better than Mexican laborers to lay those tracks and until that is done, serve as beasts of burden to keep America humming. One of the largest owners of rails, rights of way and trains is Warren Buffet.

  142. @Anonymous
    @Jim Don Bob

    You first.

    I do, Jim Don Bob. I really do.

    Time for you to do so, as well.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Anonymous, Are you Tiny Duck?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Buffalo Joe

    I abhor Tiny Duck.

    I tend to sympathize with Alt Right and paleocon thinkers, with environmental conservationism added in.

  143. On the subject of “Terroristic Trucks”, isn’t Timothy McVeigh and Oklahoma City the pinnacle in rental truck slaughter?

  144. @Anon 2
    @Steve Sailer

    Yes, training to be disaster relief volunteers would
    be a good example of what I have in mind. You need
    to get them away from their local environment,
    esp. true for urban youths

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    9 weeks the summer you turn 18 in a single-sex camp, sleeping in big tents, being trained in how to help out during local disasters — hurricanes in Louisiana, earthquakes in California — along with general first aid training for heart attacks, auto accidents and the like.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    I like this idea Steve, but it would be good for us to also develop some military skills and esprit de corps.

    , @Anon 2
    @Steve Sailer

    This sort of community service proposal
    sounds good to me, Steve. I've long been suggesting
    something along those lines to anybody who'd listen

    , @PiltdownMan
    @Steve Sailer


    9 weeks the summer you turn 18 in a single-sex camp, sleeping in big tents, being trained in how to help out during local disasters — hurricanes in Louisiana, earthquakes in California — along with general first aid training for heart attacks, auto accidents and the like.
     
    Wouldn't everyone would be idling around if we had a relatively disaster-free year?

    The alternative of social/community service has too much of a whiff of socialism for the powers that be and the program would become a partisan issue.

    Maybe a steady effort, employing draftees, of infrastructure repair and maintenance such as fixing up the federal highway system and painting bridges could be a possibility. Unfortunately, not everyone is well suited to manual labor, not even among the young. Besides, a whole generation of helicopter parents would have to get used to the possibility that their snowflakes might come home with a cracked vertebra or might fall off a bridge while painting it.

    The military, with basic training has advantages, such as forced building of esprit de corps through basic training. A major disadvantage is a temptation towards permanent militaristic adventurism—not that we don't already have that.

    A civilian works corps, by contrast, would be much more loosey-goosey in its culture, even if it inculcates a certain degree of egalitarianism. The inevitable pushback phenomena will be entitlements, cliques and general sucking-up to get cushy assignments. Those who have knowledge of kibbutzes can probably opine on how this stuff works in practice.

    Or perhaps you could combine the two ideas by having military draftees do infrastructure and disaster relief work. The bulk of the PLA in China is put to this kind of use in peacetime.

  145. Love the first one, it’s Onion-worthy. If somebody keys my car is that a mainstay of personal security being reinvented as a tool of casual property damage?

  146. @al gore rhythms
    @El Dato

    "Guys’ not even a Muslim, just a drifting deadwood hick having bad impulse control with a name from across the Mediterranean"

    Of all the many desperate attempts I've seen to try and deflect the responsibilty away from Islam for Islamic terrorist attacks this latest one --'he's not a true Muslim because he ate pork and drank alcohol' is by far the most ridiculous. I'm not saying there are not times when a so-called Islamic 'terror attack' is actually a crazed individual rather than Islamic. There was the guy who shot up a bar in Australia, and I'd even be willing to listen to arguments over the Orlando shooter. But the Nice terrorist clearly falls into the category of a Muslim who carried out an attack because he regarded himself as being part of a Muslim society and regarded Westerners as the enemy.

    I find it ironic that left-wing people who love to trot out the 'no true Scotsman fallacy' line could not have invented their own version--'it's not Islamic terrorism because No True Muslim would drink alcohol or eat pork!' How can you even talk such nonsense? How many actual Jihadis do you think were simply ruffians who enjoyed killing and raping? By your definition of 'Muslim' then you'd have to say there's never been such a thing as Islamic wars, culture or societies, because the people involved in each contained many people who were not fully committed in every detail of their faith. And the same would have to be said of Christian civilisation come to that. How many Kings in Christendom had extra-marital relations? Do they therefore not count? How many Crusaders do you think had enjoyed their share of wenching and wine? I guess the Crusades wasn't Muslims versus Christians after all!

    This man was a Muslim. That was his culture. That was the way he saw the world. When he was radicalised in prison it was on the basis of someone who came from that culture, who nursed its grievances and held its grudges, who regarded himself as an outsider because of his ancestry and all that went with it. When he killed the people in his truck it was on the basis that they were 'Christians' even though many of his victims probably had no strong opinions about the divinity of Christ or the presence of his body in the eucharist, because 'Christians' means 'them, the others, white people with their decadent societies.' Didn't the 9-11 hijackers have something of a shady background when it came to strip clubs and the like too? Isn't there the idea within Islam that someone who dies in Jihad goes to Paradise regardless of his past transgressions? So was he not acting in a way consistent with Muslims throughout the ages? Isn't the reason that this is so frightening for the French that there are millions more underclass Muslims just like him in France who nurse exactly the same murderous hatred of the French, and that they can nurse this hatred even as they drink a glass of wine and eat a sausage roll?

    Please, don't pollute the comment thread on this fine site with such dumb-ass reasoning. It's bad enough I have to read such frankly desperate blame-avoidance on social media and on news comments sections without seeing it here. He thought he was a Muslim. He did it because he was a Muslim. French people understand he hated them because he was a Muslim and they are not Muslim. This attack one more signpost on the way to France becoming an Islamic society. If in decades to come you visit a France in which the women must be veiled in public, the President is a Muslim, the official religion is Islam, the schools teach that Islam is the one true faith, no criticism of permitted of Islamic teachings and non-Muslims live their lives in the shadows in constant fear then perhaps you will say to yourself 'but I went to someone's house and they had a glass of wine so it doesn't count!' but I think the rest of us will be quite aware what has taken place.

    Replies: @unpc downunder

    The neoconservative, “it’s all about Islam” argument also has a few holes in at as well. How many Muslims terrrorists come from Indonesia, Malaysia or the eastern Stans? Not many because men from these countries have less hot-headed temperaments and are more nationalistic in their political views.

    Islamic terrorists are educated young globalists who believe in creating a global Islamic caliphate. They hate the West and like many young educated people, they also hate nationalism. As the West pumps out globalist liberal propaganda, alienated men of Middle Easern origin respond by rallying around globalist Islamic ideology. Globalism appeals to them because it is modern, while Islam appeals because it’s middle eastern.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @unpc downunder

    As I recall, they blew up a lot of Aussie tourists on Bali (Indonesia) post-9/11. There are also substantial terrorist presences in nearby countries with muslim populations like the Philippines, Burma and Thailand. India and (recently) Bangladesh too. Bloody borders, you know.

    , @PV van der Byl
    @unpc downunder

    Muslims from the Indonesia, Malaysia, and the eastern Stans are not a significant portion of the Muslims in Europe. What matters is the thinking of those from North Africa and the Middle East.

  147. @Anonymous
    @avraham

    I am not very happy with Islam. I think that it the direct cause of all these kinds of attacks. And I think it ought to be banned.

    Islam is the cause of these attacks like the air we breath is the cause of them.

    Western invasion, bombing, occupation, and (in Palestine) ethnic cleansing of the Middle East is the true cause of this violence.

    Men will always resist when their group is invaded. Which is why jews desire to ban groups.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Calogero

    Islam is the cause of these attacks like the air we breath is the cause of them.

    Western invasion, bombing, occupation, and (in Palestine) ethnic cleansing of the Middle East is the true cause of this violence.

    Yawn.

    If that were true then we’d presumably targeting of western states specifically involved. But what we tend to see is attacks everywhere there are muslims. Around the world and in the West as well. Belgium? Spain? Molesting and raping women in Germany and Sweden–what exactly is their crime? School girls in Timor? In Nigeria? Philippines, India, Thailand … basically anywhere there are Muslims there is Muslim violence and terror.

    Furthermore, you’re ignoring all violence *in house*. What exactly is the Yazidis crime that justifies murder, enslavement, rape and genocide *other* than not being sufficiently Muslim?

    Alternative and better theory:
    The conflict and violence is primarily ideological, with various Western interventions being justifications and grievances to nurse, to recruit and incite the faithful.

    Men will always resist when their group is invaded. Which is why jews desire to ban groups.

    That’s how it’s supposed to work. God i wish it was still so in the West!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @AnotherDad

    Around the world and in the West as well. Belgium? Spain? Molesting and raping women in Germany and Sweden–what exactly is their crime? School girls in Timor? In Nigeria? Philippines, India, Thailand … basically anywhere there are Muslims there is Muslim violence and terror.

    Belgium and Spain have been involved in the Western invasion of the Middle East. That is why they were bombed.

    This isn't rocket science.

    Replies: @Pericles, @Anonymous

  148. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill Jones
    Meanwhile back in Turkey it looks like the coup has failed.

    A number of people are about to learn the very painful lesson that if you attack the king, you damn well better kill the king.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    For sure. A perfect pretext to mop up every political opponent to Erdogan. And it sounds like Gulenists were actually not directly involved. Rather, it was Army’s desperate attempt to stop Islamization of the country. Now it will speed up dramatically. Eventually, some Turkish equivalent of Muslim Brotherhood will rise up and consume Erdogan.

  149. @U. Ranus
    @Rob McX

    > Hate Symbols Database of the Anti-Defamation League

    They recently added parentheses to the Hate Symbols Database.

    When they muster the chutzpah to add all other punctuation marks too, we'll finally know for sure the hateful truth about ... all of you!

    Replies: @Anonym

    First they came for the iron cross tattooed folk, but I didn’t speak out because I didn’t have one.
    Then they came for the triple parenthesis users, but I didn’t speak out because I didn’t use triple parenthesis.
    Then they came for those who used other letters of the alph{#`%${%&`+’${`%&NO CARRIER

  150. @guest
    @stillCARealist

    Yeah, that is the Catholic loophole. Trouble is, you don't necessarily know when you're gonna die, and there might not be a priest available. Suicide terrorists know when they're going to die, obviously, but you can't kill yourself and get the last rights. So there's nothing in the Catholic faith like a jihad death cleansing one's sins.

    There is such a thing as Just War, and Catholics can kill, die, and reach salvation. But that doesn't include intentionally killing innocents. Maybe one day the Pope will think like a neocon and say there's no such thing as civilians in war, but I don't think that's happened yet.

    Replies: @avraham, @Pat Gilligan

    I don’t think Catholics are let off the hook for merely doing their duty in this modern age of warfare. IMO, for many of these people– and I consider St. Teresa of Avila’s vision of souls falling into hell in thinking this– it’s fade to black and then eternal separation from God (hell, or from the perspective of the soul consigned to it, eternal and complete solitary confinement). I hope no one goes to hell, but I think many do (especially in our age).

  151. @Anonymous
    @fredyetagain aka superhonky

    Yeah, but if he were a black cop with black nationalist views, it's not like you and other alt-righters wouldn't have basically the same opinion Benn does.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    Yeah, but if he were a black cop with black nationalist views, it’s not like you and other alt-righters wouldn’t have basically the same opinion Benn does.

    Nonsense. I don’t claim to speak for the alt-right but i have no problem with black nationalists or black nationalism. *If* they are willing to walk the walk. I have zero interest in listening to the whining of blacks blaming white people for their problems–as the reality is they are causing their own problems and on massive subsidy from whites. But some guy who is saying we don’t get along and should go our separate ways. I’m good with that.

    I think *all* peoples deserve their own nations–the chance to govern themselves and live according to their own culture. Nations are the font of freedom.

    Heck the sooner i can be separated from both black nationalists and the likes of a punk like Jesse Benn … the better.

    • Agree: Kylie
  152. @Anonymous
    @syonredux

    What exactly is the difference between being killed by a terrorist vs being killed by someone who only thinks that he is a terrorist?I think that we are going to need to call in a squad of Jesuit casuists on this one.

    What is the difference between being killed by a terrorist and being killed by someone in the US Army or Air Force or Navy (or perhaps a drone) who only thinks he is not a terrorist?

    Replies: @syonredux

    What exactly is the difference between being killed by a terrorist vs being killed by someone who only thinks that he is a terrorist?I think that we are going to need to call in a squad of Jesuit casuists on this one.

    What is the difference between being killed by a terrorist and being killed by someone in the US Army or Air Force or Navy (or perhaps a drone) who only thinks he is not a terrorist?

    MMMM, let’s see, off the top of my head, I would note that lots of these Muslim terrorists are, you know, living in the communities where they commit their fell work.For example, Syed Rizwan Farook was an American citizen (born in Chicago) and the Tsarnaevs had been granted asylum in the USA. So, they are either killing their fellow citizens or they are killing their hosts. In either case, bad form.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @syonredux

    So, they are either killing their fellow citizens or they are killing their hosts. In either case, bad form.

    Not really such bad form when you consider their hosts/fellow citizens go halfway around the world to invade and kill them.

    Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux

  153. @Anonymous
    @syonredux

    It’s less annoying than the silly “Scots-Irish” business, but not by much.

    What do you find annoying about it?

    Replies: @syonredux

    It’s less annoying than the silly “Scots-Irish” business, but not by much.

    What do you find annoying about it?

    I dislike cutesy signifiers. If someone wants to say that such-and-such person is Jewish, just use the “J” word. We’re all grown-ups here.

  154. @Diversity Heretic
    While one might be tempted to engaged in detailed refutation of the delusional thinking behind both these articles (it's not the instrument used in the terror attack it's the persons using the instrument), it would be pointless. A person with delusions cannot be talked out of them. The only solution is to get ourselves free of these lunatics!

    The only possible attack that I think would wake these people up (and probably not even then) would be a nuclear explosion in a major metropolitan area with hundreds of thousands dead and millions injured. But I hope that it doesn't come to that!

    Replies: @Erik Sieven, @Reg Cæsar, @Connecticut Famer, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    The only solution is to get ourselves free of these lunatics!

    I am all ears. I would even entertain a plausible instantiation of the Mars colony sans Leftists. But if the Mars colony worked those damned Leftist would follow us there to ensure “Social Justice”.

  155. @Anonym
    If you've never seen it, watch The Battle for Algiers. Gripping, with a great score by Morricone. Useful on several levels - seeing the French be hardasses against the usual Muslim terror, and how the Algerians managed to kick the French out. Obviously the dynamics are different than what is playing out in France, but worthwhile seeing (enable captions). The French are not governed by North African Muslims, but in the analogous position being the majority and having to endure a pesky colony of incompatible people. All the French have to do is vote for someone willing to keep loading cargo ships with Muslims and send them across the Med to whatever country is unable to prevent such an unload. The more acts like Nice, the faster we will see that sort of mandate evolve. More Mohammed cartoon competitions please!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-7j4WVTgWc

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Soon the Algerians will kick the French out of France.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Soon the Algerians will kick the French out of France.

    If the French persist in voting in the likes of Haircut Hollande, then yes, such is their fate and it will be richly deserved.

    Replies: @Anonym

  156. @Anonymous
    Islam doesn't kill. People do.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Islam doesn’t kill.

    The dead in Nice beg to differ.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    The dead in Nice beg to differ.

    You are misdiagnosing the situation. Islam is no more to blame than is the oxygen respired by the perpetrator. Both are "but for" causes sure (what isn't?), but are also baseline normal reasonable features of the landscape.

    Western invasion of the Middle East is the real culprit here.

    Replies: @Pericles, @dfordoom, @Charles Erwin Wilson

  157. @El Dato
    Kinda fast here.

    Guys' not even a Muslim, just a drifting deadwood hick having bad impulse control with a name from across the Mediterranean.

    Let's hear it from the Daily Mail itself

    Even Timmy McVeigh beats that guy.

    Replies: @al gore rhythms, @Anonym, @Massimo Heitor, @Cwhatfuture, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Pericles, @Dirk Dagger

    Guys’ not even a Muslim, just a drifting deadwood hick

    Let’s hear it from the Daily Mail itself

    Let’s see, “Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel, a man of French-Tunisian origin” isn’t a Muslim. Got it.

  158. @Pat Hannagan
    Hey, Steve, I am prepared to chuck in $10 US dollars for every dance step you can do to the beat of this:

    Panhandling

    I want you to video it, and post it to this blog, of course.

    If any other commenters have a better video I am more than willing to up the ante just to see the Judeo-American Par Excellence in Steve Sailer dance for money.

    At the right price: Steve will dance.

    Replies: @Pat Hannagan, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    I hope your blood alcohol content is > 0.3 Spanky.

  159. @Steve Sailer
    @Anon 2

    You could draft everybody to spend the summer they turn 18 training to be disaster relief volunteers: fill sandbags to fight floods, fight wildfires, that kind of thing.

    Replies: @Anon 2, @Jim Don Bob

    WRONG! Such service would directed to far more lofty goals – refugee resettlement, swimming pool training for Somali males, etc. Nothing so gauche as actually building something, even if it the BS that is Habitat for Jimmah Carter.

    Look at where community service penalties are handed out; nobody ever gets sent to work it off at Catholic Charities. The big banks just settled predatory loan accusations with DOJ by giving hundreds of millions to La Raza and its ilk. The left never sleeps.

  160. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Anonym

    Soon the Algerians will kick the French out of France.

    Replies: @Anonym

    Soon the Algerians will kick the French out of France.

    If the French persist in voting in the likes of Haircut Hollande, then yes, such is their fate and it will be richly deserved.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    @Anonym

    Btw the current malaise under Hollande might be termed "Hollandaise".

  161. @Buffalo Joe
    @Anonymous

    Anonymous, yes ,of course you are correct in the narrowest sense, just like Catholicism doesn't condone pedophilia, but took a huge hit for not acting forcefully sooner. You know they have those bracelets, What Would Jesus Do, to be a constant reminder that Christ taught his followers, even to this day, to be loving, forgiving people. I think the vast majority of the Muslim terrorists, who slaughter the innocents, are doing what Mohamed would have done.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I think the vast majority of the Muslim terrorists, who slaughter the innocents, are doing what Mohamed would have done

    We Westerners are not innocent.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous


    We Westerners are not innocent
     
    Ah, but there's the rub: Our terrorists are not innocent. But theirs are.

    What a difference a faith makes.
  162. @Buffalo Joe
    @Anonymous

    Anonymous, Are you Tiny Duck?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I abhor Tiny Duck.

    I tend to sympathize with Alt Right and paleocon thinkers, with environmental conservationism added in.

  163. @Steve Sailer
    @Anon 2

    9 weeks the summer you turn 18 in a single-sex camp, sleeping in big tents, being trained in how to help out during local disasters -- hurricanes in Louisiana, earthquakes in California -- along with general first aid training for heart attacks, auto accidents and the like.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anon 2, @PiltdownMan

    I like this idea Steve, but it would be good for us to also develop some military skills and esprit de corps.

  164. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Anonymous


    Islam doesn’t kill.
     
    The dead in Nice beg to differ.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    The dead in Nice beg to differ.

    You are misdiagnosing the situation. Islam is no more to blame than is the oxygen respired by the perpetrator. Both are “but for” causes sure (what isn’t?), but are also baseline normal reasonable features of the landscape.

    Western invasion of the Middle East is the real culprit here.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @Anonymous

    But that's just a baseline normal reasonable feature of the landscape. Indeed, we can recall how healthy the muslim world was while colonized.

    This inevitably leads us to the conclusion: post-colonialism is the real culprit here.

    , @dfordoom
    @Anonymous


    Western invasion of the Middle East is the real culprit here.
     
    It's certainly a major part of the problem. As Steve has been patiently trying to point out for years it's the combination of Invade the World and Invite the World that is so toxic. We need to stop doing both. Both of these stupidities need to be tackled together. As long as we go on invading the world then we are going to be hated, and quite legitimately hated.

    To say that either is the main problem is false. It's the combination that is deadly.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Anonymous


    You are misdiagnosing the situation
     
    No, I am not.

    Islam is no more to blame than is the oxygen respired by the perpetrator
     
    Consider the oxygen respirators, all 7B of them. Now narrow the subset to the 1B to 1.4B adherents to Islam. Then compare the ratio of the adherents to Islam committing atrocities to the those not adhering to Islam committing atrocities.

    Western invasion of the Middle East is the real culprit here.
     
    Well, maybe from a "we have to honor their values" perspective. But f*ck that.

    If Douglas MacArthur were to be (1) resurrected from the dead, (2) put in charge of a Middle East (ME) campaign designed to defeat the entire region, and (3) charged with rebuilding civil society in the ME, MacArthur would have the good judgement to impose a western, secular society on the ME. Islam would not just be marginalized, it would be relegated to the ash-heap of history.

    If you believe that Allah has preordained an Islamist-Supremacist regime nothing will dissuade you from your mistakes. But if not you won't assume it is just oxygen.

    You have underestimated the fact that this is a struggle of civilizations.

    Replies: @The most deplorable one

  165. @syonredux
    @Anonymous


    What exactly is the difference between being killed by a terrorist vs being killed by someone who only thinks that he is a terrorist?I think that we are going to need to call in a squad of Jesuit casuists on this one.

    What is the difference between being killed by a terrorist and being killed by someone in the US Army or Air Force or Navy (or perhaps a drone) who only thinks he is not a terrorist?
     
    MMMM, let's see, off the top of my head, I would note that lots of these Muslim terrorists are, you know, living in the communities where they commit their fell work.For example, Syed Rizwan Farook was an American citizen (born in Chicago) and the Tsarnaevs had been granted asylum in the USA. So, they are either killing their fellow citizens or they are killing their hosts. In either case, bad form.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    So, they are either killing their fellow citizens or they are killing their hosts. In either case, bad form.

    Not really such bad form when you consider their hosts/fellow citizens go halfway around the world to invade and kill them.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Anonymous


    So, they are either killing their fellow citizens or they are killing their hosts. In either case, bad form.

    Not really such bad form when you consider their hosts/fellow citizens go halfway around the world to invade and kill them.
     
    No, it's really, really bad form to kill your hosts/fellow citizens. Frankly, I can't think of a single culture that approves of killing your host. And murdering your fellow citizens is a direct blow to the norms of civil society.
    , @syonredux
    @Anonymous

    RE: Middle Eastern Muslims murdering their hosts,

    MMM, perhaps I should reconsider inviting Middle Eastern Muslims over for dinner......

  166. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad
    @Anonymous


    Islam is the cause of these attacks like the air we breath is the cause of them.

    Western invasion, bombing, occupation, and (in Palestine) ethnic cleansing of the Middle East is the true cause of this violence.
     
    Yawn.

    If that were true then we'd presumably targeting of western states specifically involved. But what we tend to see is attacks everywhere there are muslims. Around the world and in the West as well. Belgium? Spain? Molesting and raping women in Germany and Sweden--what exactly is their crime? School girls in Timor? In Nigeria? Philippines, India, Thailand ... basically anywhere there are Muslims there is Muslim violence and terror.

    Furthermore, you're ignoring all violence *in house*. What exactly is the Yazidis crime that justifies murder, enslavement, rape and genocide *other* than not being sufficiently Muslim?

    Alternative and better theory:
    The conflict and violence is primarily ideological, with various Western interventions being justifications and grievances to nurse, to recruit and incite the faithful.

    Men will always resist when their group is invaded. Which is why jews desire to ban groups.
     
    That's how it's supposed to work. God i wish it was still so in the West!

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Around the world and in the West as well. Belgium? Spain? Molesting and raping women in Germany and Sweden–what exactly is their crime? School girls in Timor? In Nigeria? Philippines, India, Thailand … basically anywhere there are Muslims there is Muslim violence and terror.

    Belgium and Spain have been involved in the Western invasion of the Middle East. That is why they were bombed.

    This isn’t rocket science.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @Anonymous

    Post-colonialism infected the western elites and inevitably led to the deaths and destruction we see now.

    , @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    In the early 700's, Muslims conquered Spain and by 720 had crossed the Pyrenees intent on taking more territory until they were pushed back by Charles Martel at the Battle of Tours in 732. That was not the end of Muslim attacks on Europe, which persisted for a few more centuries along the Mediterranean coast. Westerners may not be innocent, but neither are Muslims.

  167. @Kylie
    So guns and trucks have agency but blacks and Muslims do not.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    So guns and trucks have agency but blacks and Muslims do not.

    That’s kind of like the “invader” argument for “reproductive choice”: The woman is a person, but lacks agency, so us afforded choice. The fetus lacks personhood, but is guilty of criminal trespass, and even rape, and gets the death penalty.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Reg Cæsar

    Yes, women need protection from the consequences of their own choices because even though they insist on the right to choose, they must be protected from the consequences of their choices because really they have no agency.

    Or something like that.

  168. @bomag
    @Reg Cæsar


    “These people” are by and large Democrats. They’ve produced the only leader in world history that has ever actually done that.
     
    The modern Democrat is much different from those back in the Day, when they were willing to intern people; turn back immigrants; and vigorously prosecute a war.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    They did those things to advance the party’s interest, not the country’s. They haven’t changed at all, under the surface.

  169. @Anonym
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Soon the Algerians will kick the French out of France.

    If the French persist in voting in the likes of Haircut Hollande, then yes, such is their fate and it will be richly deserved.

    Replies: @Anonym

    Btw the current malaise under Hollande might be termed “Hollandaise”.

  170. Very iStevey stuff here from the LA Times…

    “Why France has a more fraught relationship with its Muslims than the US…”

    https://twitter.com/_chrisnonymous/status/754539470490251264

  171. @Bill Jones
    @Anon 2

    " I work with young people "

    code for "I am a parasitic tax eater"

    Replies: @Anon 2

    A (mildly) Christian, politically middle-of-the-road college professor is a
    parasitic tax eater? Colleges could use more people like me

  172. @Steve Sailer
    @Anon 2

    9 weeks the summer you turn 18 in a single-sex camp, sleeping in big tents, being trained in how to help out during local disasters -- hurricanes in Louisiana, earthquakes in California -- along with general first aid training for heart attacks, auto accidents and the like.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anon 2, @PiltdownMan

    This sort of community service proposal
    sounds good to me, Steve. I’ve long been suggesting
    something along those lines to anybody who’d listen

  173. @El Dato
    Kinda fast here.

    Guys' not even a Muslim, just a drifting deadwood hick having bad impulse control with a name from across the Mediterranean.

    Let's hear it from the Daily Mail itself

    Even Timmy McVeigh beats that guy.

    Replies: @al gore rhythms, @Anonym, @Massimo Heitor, @Cwhatfuture, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Pericles, @Dirk Dagger

    Not at all, he’s the Most Interesting Muslim in the World. “I am seldom a muslim. But when I am, I drive a big truck into Nice.”

  174. @Steve Sailer
    @Anon 2

    9 weeks the summer you turn 18 in a single-sex camp, sleeping in big tents, being trained in how to help out during local disasters -- hurricanes in Louisiana, earthquakes in California -- along with general first aid training for heart attacks, auto accidents and the like.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anon 2, @PiltdownMan

    9 weeks the summer you turn 18 in a single-sex camp, sleeping in big tents, being trained in how to help out during local disasters — hurricanes in Louisiana, earthquakes in California — along with general first aid training for heart attacks, auto accidents and the like.

    Wouldn’t everyone would be idling around if we had a relatively disaster-free year?

    The alternative of social/community service has too much of a whiff of socialism for the powers that be and the program would become a partisan issue.

    Maybe a steady effort, employing draftees, of infrastructure repair and maintenance such as fixing up the federal highway system and painting bridges could be a possibility. Unfortunately, not everyone is well suited to manual labor, not even among the young. Besides, a whole generation of helicopter parents would have to get used to the possibility that their snowflakes might come home with a cracked vertebra or might fall off a bridge while painting it.

    The military, with basic training has advantages, such as forced building of esprit de corps through basic training. A major disadvantage is a temptation towards permanent militaristic adventurism—not that we don’t already have that.

    A civilian works corps, by contrast, would be much more loosey-goosey in its culture, even if it inculcates a certain degree of egalitarianism. The inevitable pushback phenomena will be entitlements, cliques and general sucking-up to get cushy assignments. Those who have knowledge of kibbutzes can probably opine on how this stuff works in practice.

    Or perhaps you could combine the two ideas by having military draftees do infrastructure and disaster relief work. The bulk of the PLA in China is put to this kind of use in peacetime.

  175. @syonredux
    @Dieter Kief


    Breaking news from science-wonderland about Niece: There was no terrorist at work, but most likely a psycho, “who only imagined, being a terrorist” – says French “Radikalisation-Expert” Farhad Khorokhavar on the german news-site spon.
     
    What exactly is the difference between being killed by a terrorist vs being killed by someone who only thinks that he is a terrorist?I think that we are going to need to call in a squad of Jesuit casuists on this one.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Dieter Kief, @Pericles

    Yes … Jesuits …

  176. I am in favor for reasons that include but go far beyond “terror” prevention.

    However, why not also remove the most obvious, intuitive, provocative cause? After all, no border is completely impervious and Americans do travel to and trade with other countries. Plus, it would be the moral thing to do, and the most economical.

    The most obvious, intuitive, provocative cause is the presence of Muslims. They rape each other’s women, molest each other’s children, and blow each other up in their own homelands, too.

    That said, while I agree we should stop doing Zionist dirty work, I don’t trust leftists (like you, I suppose) who try to entangle the two, separate issues, and provide the usual leftist excuses for scum being scum. Leftists will always have such excuses for scum, it’s who they are.

    The neoconservative, “it’s all about Islam” argument also has a few holes in at as well. How many Muslims terrrorists come from Indonesia, Malaysia or the eastern Stans? Not many because men from these countries have less hot-headed temperaments and are more nationalistic in their political views.

    Don’t the eastern ‘stans provide steady flow of fighters for ISIS? Think I read that somewhere.

    I dislike cutesy signifiers. If someone wants to say that such-and-such person is Jewish, just use the “J” word. We’re all grown-ups here.

    The word itself, “Jew,” has a lot of power to shut down critical thinking. The substitutes, less. I’ve explained this to you before, and I don’t care if you get it or like it.

    Western invasion of the Middle East is the real culprit here.

    Nope. This is just the usual leftist apologism. MENA Muslims would still be an extremely problematic population, even without the “western invasions.” The vast majority of the killing and dying in the region is MENA-on-MENA.

    Solution is to remove them (and the likes of you).

  177. @unpc downunder
    @al gore rhythms

    The neoconservative, "it's all about Islam" argument also has a few holes in at as well. How many Muslims terrrorists come from Indonesia, Malaysia or the eastern Stans? Not many because men from these countries have less hot-headed temperaments and are more nationalistic in their political views.

    Islamic terrorists are educated young globalists who believe in creating a global Islamic caliphate. They hate the West and like many young educated people, they also hate nationalism. As the West pumps out globalist liberal propaganda, alienated men of Middle Easern origin respond by rallying around globalist Islamic ideology. Globalism appeals to them because it is modern, while Islam appeals because it's middle eastern.

    Replies: @Pericles, @PV van der Byl

    As I recall, they blew up a lot of Aussie tourists on Bali (Indonesia) post-9/11. There are also substantial terrorist presences in nearby countries with muslim populations like the Philippines, Burma and Thailand. India and (recently) Bangladesh too. Bloody borders, you know.

  178. Backup plan is to let the MENAs wipe out the leftists.

  179. @Anonymous
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    The dead in Nice beg to differ.

    You are misdiagnosing the situation. Islam is no more to blame than is the oxygen respired by the perpetrator. Both are "but for" causes sure (what isn't?), but are also baseline normal reasonable features of the landscape.

    Western invasion of the Middle East is the real culprit here.

    Replies: @Pericles, @dfordoom, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    But that’s just a baseline normal reasonable feature of the landscape. Indeed, we can recall how healthy the muslim world was while colonized.

    This inevitably leads us to the conclusion: post-colonialism is the real culprit here.

  180. @Anonymous
    @AnotherDad

    Around the world and in the West as well. Belgium? Spain? Molesting and raping women in Germany and Sweden–what exactly is their crime? School girls in Timor? In Nigeria? Philippines, India, Thailand … basically anywhere there are Muslims there is Muslim violence and terror.

    Belgium and Spain have been involved in the Western invasion of the Middle East. That is why they were bombed.

    This isn't rocket science.

    Replies: @Pericles, @Anonymous

    Post-colonialism infected the western elites and inevitably led to the deaths and destruction we see now.

  181. I mean, look at Syria. It’s in the grips of a civil war, MENAs knocking off MENAs left and right. But western powers dropping a few extra bombs is the big problem? There’s no “invasion” by western powers to speak of, never mind anywhere else in the MENA. Vast majority of the problem in the region is the natives.

  182. @unpc downunder
    @al gore rhythms

    The neoconservative, "it's all about Islam" argument also has a few holes in at as well. How many Muslims terrrorists come from Indonesia, Malaysia or the eastern Stans? Not many because men from these countries have less hot-headed temperaments and are more nationalistic in their political views.

    Islamic terrorists are educated young globalists who believe in creating a global Islamic caliphate. They hate the West and like many young educated people, they also hate nationalism. As the West pumps out globalist liberal propaganda, alienated men of Middle Easern origin respond by rallying around globalist Islamic ideology. Globalism appeals to them because it is modern, while Islam appeals because it's middle eastern.

    Replies: @Pericles, @PV van der Byl

    Muslims from the Indonesia, Malaysia, and the eastern Stans are not a significant portion of the Muslims in Europe. What matters is the thinking of those from North Africa and the Middle East.

  183. @Jack D
    In the future, not just anyone will be able to drive a dangerous device like a truck or even a car on public highways. You will need to pass a special test, called a "driving test", administered by crack government agents from an agency that will be known as the "DMV" (Division of Motor Vehicles). This corps of razor sharp young men and women (all themselves thoroughly vetted - only those possessing high school diplomas from one of our fine public schools will be hired) will be known far and wide for their speed and efficiency as well as their friendly demeanor - I predict that people will call them DuMmies out of affection. These agents will assess both your knowledge of the road safety laws as well as your driving skills. Only after this rigorous assessment will you receive a special permit from the government, called a "driver's license", which will permit you to drive on the highways. This will surely take care of this problem in short order.

    Replies: @The most deplorable one, @Barnard, @WhatEvvs

    LOL. What is your real name, Jack D. Houellebecq?

    In France, they would start the Islamic takeover with the Education Ministry. In the US, it would be the DMV, which is much more important.

  184. @Wyrd
    Bandit Akbar!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HpmlIDIXPs

    Replies: @Brutusale

  185. Dirk Dagger [AKA "That\'s Not Who We Are"] says: • Website
    @El Dato
    Kinda fast here.

    Guys' not even a Muslim, just a drifting deadwood hick having bad impulse control with a name from across the Mediterranean.

    Let's hear it from the Daily Mail itself

    Even Timmy McVeigh beats that guy.

    Replies: @al gore rhythms, @Anonym, @Massimo Heitor, @Cwhatfuture, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Pericles, @Dirk Dagger

    You’re right. The big point is, if we give in to stereotyping, profiling, and hate the terrorists will have won !!

  186. @Jim Don Bob
    @unit472

    Several states in the NE have already proposed a mileage tax, because the gas tax is not bringing in enough money for road repair. Such talk ignores things like Congress raiding the Highway Trust Fund for bike paths, union pension costs eating state budgets, environmental and safety regulations that increase the cost of building roads, etc.

    2) A modern vehicle collects much more data than you are told. There was a fatal crash around here recently where a kid going 115 t-boned a car turning left killing three people. The cops were able to reconstruct much of what happened (speed, when brakes were applied, etc.) by looking at the speeding car's computer. That car was a rental so perhaps it had extra stuff on it.

    3) The data from license plate scanners is routinely sold to a private company, and, of course, it's for our own good.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    The cost of building a mile of road in Massachusetts is about 4X that in New Hampshire. Why is that?

  187. @Anonymous
    @syonredux

    So, they are either killing their fellow citizens or they are killing their hosts. In either case, bad form.

    Not really such bad form when you consider their hosts/fellow citizens go halfway around the world to invade and kill them.

    Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux

    So, they are either killing their fellow citizens or they are killing their hosts. In either case, bad form.

    Not really such bad form when you consider their hosts/fellow citizens go halfway around the world to invade and kill them.

    No, it’s really, really bad form to kill your hosts/fellow citizens. Frankly, I can’t think of a single culture that approves of killing your host. And murdering your fellow citizens is a direct blow to the norms of civil society.

  188. @Anonymous
    @syonredux

    So, they are either killing their fellow citizens or they are killing their hosts. In either case, bad form.

    Not really such bad form when you consider their hosts/fellow citizens go halfway around the world to invade and kill them.

    Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux

    RE: Middle Eastern Muslims murdering their hosts,

    MMM, perhaps I should reconsider inviting Middle Eastern Muslims over for dinner……

  189. Twitter comments by Marion Maréchal-Le Pen on the Nice attack:

    Marion Le Pen ‏@Marion_M_Le_Pen Jul 16
    Comment se fait-il qu’un étranger condamné ait pu conserver le droit de rester en France

    Marion Le Pen ‏@Marion_M_Le_Pen Jul 15
    Soit nous tuons l’islamisme soit c’est lui qui nous tuera. Encore et encore.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @syonredux

    For non-French speakers:

    How is it that a convicted foreigner was able to keep the right to stay in France?

    Either we destroy Islamism or they will destroy us. [It happens] again and again.

    These things seem perfectly commonsensical to me but I suppose they are "rightist" in European (and American) leftist terms.

  190. @Anonymous
    @avraham

    I am not very happy with Islam. I think that it the direct cause of all these kinds of attacks. And I think it ought to be banned. It definitely encourages this type of thing. When Muslims kill in the name of Islam, they are obeying their religion.

    Every single one of these incidents is justifiable in view of what the West has been doing to the Middle East in the past 99 years (to be precise).

    We in the West need to grow the f up and take some responsibility for our actions.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Kylie, @Jack D

    I think you are absolutely right. We should start by nuking the home city of every terrorist. We can start with the home town of the guy in Nice. Then one more Arab city after each further terrorist incident. The Israelis only level the house of the terrorist. Not good enough. You have to raise the stakes and level the whole city. Either the Arabs will learn to leave the West alone or they won’t exist any more – it’s their choice. We gave the Japanese that choice and it worked out brilliantly for everyone.

  191. @syonredux
    Twitter comments by Marion Maréchal-Le Pen on the Nice attack:

    Marion Le Pen ‏@Marion_M_Le_Pen Jul 16
    Comment se fait-il qu'un étranger condamné ait pu conserver le droit de rester en France
     

    Marion Le Pen ‏@Marion_M_Le_Pen Jul 15
    Soit nous tuons l'islamisme soit c'est lui qui nous tuera. Encore et encore.
     

    Replies: @Jack D

    For non-French speakers:

    How is it that a convicted foreigner was able to keep the right to stay in France?

    Either we destroy Islamism or they will destroy us. [It happens] again and again.

    These things seem perfectly commonsensical to me but I suppose they are “rightist” in European (and American) leftist terms.

  192. @Anon 2
    Young men, due to their boundless physical and
    sexual energy, need a rite of passage that will teach
    them how to channel this energy in socially acceptable
    ways. Otherwise the energy will be used to commit
    atrocities, as in the recent events. Primitive societies used
    to require such a rite of passage, we no longer do.
    Marriage and military service, for example, no longer
    play a role as civilizing agents because 1. Women are
    now rejecting early marriage (great for women's careers
    but of doubtful value for their morality as women now
    ride the cock carousel until their late 20s), 2. The draft was
    eliminated (in the U.S.) in 1973.

    Therefore I'm convinced that the society needs to reintroduce
    some form of a rite of passage for both men and women.
    We're still primitive at heart, the fact that was still recognized
    in the early 20th century when many felt that we had become
    overly civilized, and war was seen as a bracing agent, a test of
    manhood, that prevented the society from falling into decadence
    and hedonism. We don't have to go that far but I believe some
    form of compulsory military cum community service should
    be reintroduced to act as civilizing agents. College is a civilizing
    agent but it's not enough simply because only the top 25-30% of
    the population complete four-year degrees (and due to grade
    inflation and the proliferation of Mickey Mouse courses much
    of the challenge has been lost anyway). Women these days also
    need to be recivilized - the number of feral women appears to
    be growing exponentially

    Replies: @Anon 2, @Anon, @Cryptogenic, @Stan Adams, @avraham, @AnotherDad

    Young men, due to their boundless physical and
    sexual energy, need a rite of passage that will teach
    them how to channel this energy in socially acceptable
    ways.

    A good set of thoughts here Anon 2. I have some similar conclusions i’ve expressed to folks a few times.

    My impression–most of this from my kids friends and being a scoutmaster–young men today are way too “soft”. I was pretty “soft” as a kid and am now a soft old man, but even i was tougher in the day than most of these young guys. My son had a bunch of responsibilities and adventures in Scouts culminating in a 95 mile backpack at Philmont. Training for and doing that definitely improved his toughness. I hitchhiked out to Wyoming when i was 20 and backpacked around in the Wind River range that helped me a bit. Mainly i worked plenty of crappy jobs–the kind Mexicans would be doing today–had to show up, follow orders, do dirty work. The kind of work most upper-middle class kids, boys included, no longer do.

    The ideal, i think, would be guys forced to spend a year “outside”–maybe on a long trek–where they are intensively trained up but then have to hunt to fend for themselves. But the scale we’re talking about–2 million males a year–that isn’t happening. More plausible would be all young men doing basic training–boot camp–and being expected to be part of the reserve army defending the nation. Sort of the Swiss model.

    ~~
    Young women … that’s a whole ‘nother kettle of fish. They are “doing better” than the guys relative to the rules for getting ahead in our government\corporate milieu. But they are a mess when it comes to what they are actually needed for–marriage and family. It’s no surprise that marriage rates are falling. Why would any guy with his stuff together hitch himself–pledge his life and earnings–to one of these “women”?

    What would help? Heck if know. You’d want to start by taking away their phones and giving them a spanking.

  193. @Reg Cæsar
    @Kylie


    So guns and trucks have agency but blacks and Muslims do not.
     
    That's kind of like the "invader" argument for "reproductive choice": The woman is a person, but lacks agency, so us afforded choice. The fetus lacks personhood, but is guilty of criminal trespass, and even rape, and gets the death penalty.

    Replies: @Kylie

    Yes, women need protection from the consequences of their own choices because even though they insist on the right to choose, they must be protected from the consequences of their choices because really they have no agency.

    Or something like that.

  194. @AndrewR
    @fredyetagain aka superhonky

    Surprised kosher Sailer let your comment through.

    We have to hand it to the tribe for being so open with their disdain for whites and getting away with it.

    Whites have no claim to superiority if we allow ourselves to be ruled by minorities.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I’d never heard of Jesse Benn before clicking the posted link. It’s not as if he’s some sort of American Jewish pope who can be presumed to speak for all or even a majority of us. As for Steve’s possible Jewish ancestry, it’s just an unproven hunch.

  195. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    @AnotherDad

    Around the world and in the West as well. Belgium? Spain? Molesting and raping women in Germany and Sweden–what exactly is their crime? School girls in Timor? In Nigeria? Philippines, India, Thailand … basically anywhere there are Muslims there is Muslim violence and terror.

    Belgium and Spain have been involved in the Western invasion of the Middle East. That is why they were bombed.

    This isn't rocket science.

    Replies: @Pericles, @Anonymous

    In the early 700’s, Muslims conquered Spain and by 720 had crossed the Pyrenees intent on taking more territory until they were pushed back by Charles Martel at the Battle of Tours in 732. That was not the end of Muslim attacks on Europe, which persisted for a few more centuries along the Mediterranean coast. Westerners may not be innocent, but neither are Muslims.

  196. @Anonymous
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    The dead in Nice beg to differ.

    You are misdiagnosing the situation. Islam is no more to blame than is the oxygen respired by the perpetrator. Both are "but for" causes sure (what isn't?), but are also baseline normal reasonable features of the landscape.

    Western invasion of the Middle East is the real culprit here.

    Replies: @Pericles, @dfordoom, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Western invasion of the Middle East is the real culprit here.

    It’s certainly a major part of the problem. As Steve has been patiently trying to point out for years it’s the combination of Invade the World and Invite the World that is so toxic. We need to stop doing both. Both of these stupidities need to be tackled together. As long as we go on invading the world then we are going to be hated, and quite legitimately hated.

    To say that either is the main problem is false. It’s the combination that is deadly.

  197. Some interesting info and insights from Uri Avnery, a good guy and a former Israeli fighter. In 1938 Avnery joined the Irgun underground terrorist organization to fight against the British colonial regime on behalf of the Zionist movement and later rejected the methods used against the Arabs.

    Here’re some excerpts from his most recent piece.

    “…when I saw a much-toted(sic)TV “investigative report” on “Anti-Semitism in France”. It was a pile of propaganda nonsense.

    “ANTI-SEMITISM IN France” is now all the rage in Israel. A huge propaganda effort is invested in this campaign. The aim is to induce French Jews to come to Israel, to “make aliyah” (an atrocious corruption of Hebrew).

    [MORE]

    Jews in France, according to “investigative reports” are faced with a terrible danger. They can expect a second holocaust any moment…they must come to Israel. In a hurry. Now!

    THE MUSLIM-JEWISH animosity which is now being played out in the Paris banlieues …has nothing to do with anti-Semites. It so happens that both sides are Semites.

    It started in Algeria a long time ago. The French conquered the country and settled there in large numbers. Then they did something rather clever: they conferred French citizenship on the local Jews, but not on the Muslims, who constituted the vast majority.

    More than that. When the French army showed signs of wanting to leave, the [French] settlers set up an underground military organization, the OAS, to terrorize the Muslims. The local Jews were involved. Gradually, the French settlers started to return to France, and the Jews remained, the OAS then becoming almost a Jewish organization.

    What is happening now is the continuation of that Algerian conflict on French soil. The hatred that once ruled the streets of Algiers and Oran is being fought out in the streets of Paris and Marseilles.

    … I would confidently bet that incidents against Muslims vastly outnumber incidents against Jews.

    According to Zionist ideology, the State of Israel exists as a refuge for persecuted Jews. Wherever Jews in the world are in distress, we save them and bring them here. (Never mind that Israel is perhaps the least safe place for Jews in the world.)

    When anti-Semitism is too weak to do the job, we must help it along, as we did in Iraq in 1952, when we planted bombs in synagogues to encourage Jews to leave and come here [to Israel].
    There is also a more cynical explanation. Israel has built an elaborate apparatus for bringing Jews [to Israel]… What would happen to all this host of emissaries, organizers, bureaucrats, political appointees and such if there were no Jews aspiring to come here and kiss the ground on arrival?

    Fortunately there is this “wave of anti-Semitism” in France, and everybody is fully occupied…

    http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1468591410

  198. @Anonymous
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    The dead in Nice beg to differ.

    You are misdiagnosing the situation. Islam is no more to blame than is the oxygen respired by the perpetrator. Both are "but for" causes sure (what isn't?), but are also baseline normal reasonable features of the landscape.

    Western invasion of the Middle East is the real culprit here.

    Replies: @Pericles, @dfordoom, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    You are misdiagnosing the situation

    No, I am not.

    Islam is no more to blame than is the oxygen respired by the perpetrator

    Consider the oxygen respirators, all 7B of them. Now narrow the subset to the 1B to 1.4B adherents to Islam. Then compare the ratio of the adherents to Islam committing atrocities to the those not adhering to Islam committing atrocities.

    Western invasion of the Middle East is the real culprit here.

    Well, maybe from a “we have to honor their values” perspective. But f*ck that.

    If Douglas MacArthur were to be (1) resurrected from the dead, (2) put in charge of a Middle East (ME) campaign designed to defeat the entire region, and (3) charged with rebuilding civil society in the ME, MacArthur would have the good judgement to impose a western, secular society on the ME. Islam would not just be marginalized, it would be relegated to the ash-heap of history.

    If you believe that Allah has preordained an Islamist-Supremacist regime nothing will dissuade you from your mistakes. But if not you won’t assume it is just oxygen.

    You have underestimated the fact that this is a struggle of civilizations.

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    The key issue, I think, is that even the least observant Muslim who has committed many sins can redeem himself in the eyes of Allah by killing a bunch of infidels.

    There seems to be no parallel in any other religion and it makes Islam essentially an evil religion.

  199. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Anonymous


    You are misdiagnosing the situation
     
    No, I am not.

    Islam is no more to blame than is the oxygen respired by the perpetrator
     
    Consider the oxygen respirators, all 7B of them. Now narrow the subset to the 1B to 1.4B adherents to Islam. Then compare the ratio of the adherents to Islam committing atrocities to the those not adhering to Islam committing atrocities.

    Western invasion of the Middle East is the real culprit here.
     
    Well, maybe from a "we have to honor their values" perspective. But f*ck that.

    If Douglas MacArthur were to be (1) resurrected from the dead, (2) put in charge of a Middle East (ME) campaign designed to defeat the entire region, and (3) charged with rebuilding civil society in the ME, MacArthur would have the good judgement to impose a western, secular society on the ME. Islam would not just be marginalized, it would be relegated to the ash-heap of history.

    If you believe that Allah has preordained an Islamist-Supremacist regime nothing will dissuade you from your mistakes. But if not you won't assume it is just oxygen.

    You have underestimated the fact that this is a struggle of civilizations.

    Replies: @The most deplorable one

    The key issue, I think, is that even the least observant Muslim who has committed many sins can redeem himself in the eyes of Allah by killing a bunch of infidels.

    There seems to be no parallel in any other religion and it makes Islam essentially an evil religion.

  200. Some poetic advice from Kipling

    The Stranger

    The Stranger within my gate,
    He may be true or kind,
    But he does not talk my talk–
    I cannot feel his mind.
    I see the face and the eyes and the mouth,
    But not the soul behind.

    The men of my own stock,
    They may do ill or well,
    But they tell the lies I am wanted to,
    They are used to the lies I tell;
    And we do not need interpreters
    When we go to buy or sell.

    The Stranger within my gates,
    He may be evil or good,
    But I cannot tell what powers control–
    What reasons sway his mood;
    Nor when the Gods of his far-off land
    Shall repossess his blood.

    The men of my own stock,
    Bitter bad they may be,
    But, at least, they hear the things I hear,
    And see the things I see;
    And whatever I think of them and their likes
    They think of the likes of me.

    This was my father’s belief
    And this is also mine:
    Let the corn be all one sheaf–
    And the grapes be all one vine,
    Ere our children’s teeth are set on edge
    By bitter bread and wine.

  201. Muslims Don’t Kill French People, White Trucks Do

    There, I fixed it for you. This way it meshes perfectly with the ongoing BLM saga.

  202. @Anonymous
    @avraham

    I am not very happy with Islam. I think that it the direct cause of all these kinds of attacks. And I think it ought to be banned.

    Islam is the cause of these attacks like the air we breath is the cause of them.

    Western invasion, bombing, occupation, and (in Palestine) ethnic cleansing of the Middle East is the true cause of this violence.

    Men will always resist when their group is invaded. Which is why jews desire to ban groups.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Calogero

    Islamic violence began with the mass murderer named Muhummad. They were invading Christian lands long before Christians tried to take those lands back. Anyway, even if everybody on earth was a Muslim, the Sunni, Shia, and the rest would still be slaughtering each other over some slight theological difference. Read the Koran and the Hadiths-Islam is violent in its very nature.

  203. The problem with the “it’s our fault” mantra (from the west-hating left/libertardians) is that it isn’t. Like we ordered the Iraq war. Like it was our job to do the gov’t’s job for them and show them it was a horrible idea before they went in. Which I did, by the way. I was telling everyone who would listen online and in person that Iraq Attaq II was a horrible idea. So now I deserve to get blown up by a lunatic Chechen, shot by a lunatic Afghan, or run over by a lunatic Tunisian?

    These idiots aren’t attacking Dick Cheney or Hillary Clinton, or any of the other people who actually pushed and voted for that war. They’re attacking random infidels, because they don’t really care about American foreign policy, so much as they just go nuts and attack the hated infidels. West Asians are nutty people.

    If they’re such freedom fighters, why don’t they go after the regime?

  204. Raise your hand if you think for one second there are 1/100th as many of you surrender-monkeys on their side of the fence, telling their fellow Muslims “well, we do have a tendency to blow up their airliners and commit other atrocities against them, so maybe they have good reasons for bombing us.” No more than there were injuns sitting around the campfire telling other injuns “well, we do commit racist atrocities against the white man, just for having white skin.” The injuns would have had the good sense to stake traitors like that out for the crows.

  205. While drunken illegal aliens driving uninsured pickups may not be high on the list of priorities of Washington being able to tax and immobilize citizen motorists surely is. Just as auto makers have moved beyond the perfectly serviceable and inexpensive ‘keyed’ ignition system ( for our safety and security of course) to early 20th century keyless ignitions there is no reason that an RFID chip cannot be embedded into our drivers licenses that would prevent the operator from driving a car ( or truck) without police approval. This too would be for our safety and security as it would eliminate driving without a license, high speed getaways, car jackings and terror by truck incidents. Cars could become self policing ‘snitches’ as well. Exceed the speed limit or run a red light and the car ‘reports’ you so you can be fined.

    Well, sort of. I doubt the Great and the Good will be buying cars with disable switches that anyone can hack. And I doubt everyone will be okay with “please kidnap/carjack me” switches in their cars, either.

    More to the point, what incentive would the car companies have to put all of that junk in their cars? They’d need some hefty incentives to counter the loss in sales. They’d all need to be forced into it at once, or they’d scream bloody murder about their competition not having the same impairments. There would be plenty of foreign makers outside lawmakers jurisdiction, so real cars would remain very much a thing, giving them a huge leg up against the crippled manufacturers.

    Obviously possible, but it’s a pretty tall order.

    The keyless systems serve maker interests, in that they help with rental cars, repossessing cars, etc.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Svigor

    The biggest result would be an increase in carjackings. These were rare in the days when you could just break into a car and hotwire it. Vehicle thieves can still avoid carjacking by using keys stolen in burglaries. If driving a car required a licence with an RFID chip embedded in it, this would only mean the driver would have to hand over his licence too, plus any PIN or other activation details that may be required.

  206. The one headline says the truck was a “tool” of death. How is that wrong? It doesn’t say the man is not responsible. Also: Is every crime committed by a Muslim caused by being a Muslim? Surely that’s ridiculous.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Mark F.


    : Is every crime committed by a Muslim caused by being a Muslim?
     
    Robbing a bank to support a drug habit, no. Mowing down families with children at a parade, with an 18-wheeler… much more likely.
  207. @Anonymous
    @Buffalo Joe

    I think the vast majority of the Muslim terrorists, who slaughter the innocents, are doing what Mohamed would have done

    We Westerners are not innocent.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    We Westerners are not innocent

    Ah, but there’s the rub: Our terrorists are not innocent. But theirs are.

    What a difference a faith makes.

  208. @Mark F.
    The one headline says the truck was a "tool" of death. How is that wrong? It doesn't say the man is not responsible. Also: Is every crime committed by a Muslim caused by being a Muslim? Surely that's ridiculous.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    : Is every crime committed by a Muslim caused by being a Muslim?

    Robbing a bank to support a drug habit, no. Mowing down families with children at a parade, with an 18-wheeler… much more likely.

  209. @George
    France didn't destroy Libya, Rafale jets did.

    Replies: @Talha

    LOL! We need to keep them out of those Froggys’ hands – don’t know what they’ll do with them!

  210. @Svigor

    While drunken illegal aliens driving uninsured pickups may not be high on the list of priorities of Washington being able to tax and immobilize citizen motorists surely is. Just as auto makers have moved beyond the perfectly serviceable and inexpensive ‘keyed’ ignition system ( for our safety and security of course) to early 20th century keyless ignitions there is no reason that an RFID chip cannot be embedded into our drivers licenses that would prevent the operator from driving a car ( or truck) without police approval. This too would be for our safety and security as it would eliminate driving without a license, high speed getaways, car jackings and terror by truck incidents. Cars could become self policing ‘snitches’ as well. Exceed the speed limit or run a red light and the car ‘reports’ you so you can be fined.
     
    Well, sort of. I doubt the Great and the Good will be buying cars with disable switches that anyone can hack. And I doubt everyone will be okay with "please kidnap/carjack me" switches in their cars, either.

    More to the point, what incentive would the car companies have to put all of that junk in their cars? They'd need some hefty incentives to counter the loss in sales. They'd all need to be forced into it at once, or they'd scream bloody murder about their competition not having the same impairments. There would be plenty of foreign makers outside lawmakers jurisdiction, so real cars would remain very much a thing, giving them a huge leg up against the crippled manufacturers.

    Obviously possible, but it's a pretty tall order.

    The keyless systems serve maker interests, in that they help with rental cars, repossessing cars, etc.

    Replies: @Rob McX

    The biggest result would be an increase in carjackings. These were rare in the days when you could just break into a car and hotwire it. Vehicle thieves can still avoid carjacking by using keys stolen in burglaries. If driving a car required a licence with an RFID chip embedded in it, this would only mean the driver would have to hand over his licence too, plus any PIN or other activation details that may be required.

  211. @Mick Jagger gathers no Mosque
    Are you really that naive? In the US, the Catholic Church also had no SECULAR power and yet it was able to drive a (semi-unconstitutional) system of film censorship for decades

    In the late 20s, early 30s, the Hollywood Jews went deeply into debt to finance talkies and then got in trouble with their early porn because the bank providing them finance, Bank of America, was run by a Catholic, A.H. Giannini, who put his foot down and in a meeting with the hollywood Jews told then he would no longer fund films prostituting the youth of America.

    A year later Dennis Cardinal Dougherty of Philadelphia organised a boycott of Hollywood and the Jews began to bleat to such a extent they gladly accepted the Production Code which was run by a Catholic, Joe Breen, who described the pernicious people of Hollywood as a bunch of drunken pagans deeply into pornography and sexual excess.

    Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose

    All this, and more, is documented in E. Michael Jones, The Jewish Revolutionary Spirt snd its impact on world history

    and who is it now that controls discourse in America, who is it who controls the banks?

    Replies: @tbraton

    That’s a very interesting observation. I was somewhat familiar with the Hollywood production code, but I hadn’t thought of it in those terms before.

    BTW great screen name. I still think a book collecting all the imaginative screen names on unz.com would be a scream.

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