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With Muslim terrorists committing anti-Semitic massacres in France and Denmark earlier this year, and Middle Eastern and African youths routinely harassing Jews on the street in European cities, one might think that facilitating another massive influx of Muslims, along with all the chain migration to follow, would be considered not good for the Jews.

Some Eastern European countries have offered to accept persecuted Syrian Christian refugees, but not Muslims. You might think that would be considered a reasonable compromise good for the Jews, right?

But that is simply unthinkable to the current mind. The important thing is not to do practical things to help actual European Jews, the important thing is to stick to the Narrative and follow out its symbolic logic. Thus, from the New York Times:

Hungarian Leader Rebuked for Saying Muslim Migrants Must Be Blocked ‘to Keep Europe Christian’
SEPT. 3, 2015

Open Source
By ROBERT MACKEY

Hungary’s prime minister, Viktor Orban, was criticized online and in person on Thursday for writing in a German newspaper that it was important to secure his nation’s borders from mainly Muslim migrants “to keep Europe Christian.”

“Those arriving have been raised in another religion, and represent a radically different culture. Most of them are not Christians, but Muslims,” Mr. Orban wrote in a commentary for Frankfurt Allgemeine Zeitung, a German newspaper. “This is an important question, because Europe and European identity is rooted in Christianity.”

“Is it not worrying in itself that European Christianity is now barely able to keep Europe Christian?” Mr. Orban asked. “There is no alternative, and we have no option but to defend our borders.”

Before meeting with Mr. Orban on Thursday in Brussels, Donald Tusk, the president of the European Council, which represents European Union leaders, thanked him for securing Europe’s borders, but took issue with the argument of Mr. Orban’s opinion article.

“I want to underline that for me, Christianity in public and social life means a duty to our brothers in need,” Mr. Tusk said as he stood alongside Mr. Orban.

“Referring to Christianity in a public debate on migration must mean in the first place the readiness to show solidarity and sacrifice. For a Christian it shouldn’t matter what race, religion and nationality the person in need represents.”

Mr. Tusk, a former prime minister of Poland, drew attention to his rebuke of the Hungarian leader on social networks, and his office posted video of his comments on YouTube.

Mr. Orban waited until the end of the day to respond to Mr. Tusk. At a separate news conference in which he faced reporters alone, he reiterated the theme of his article, that Europe was at risk of being “overrun” and had to shut its borders. The Hungarian prime minister argued that European countries had no obligation to accept most of the migrants, as “the overwhelming majority of people are not refugees because they are not coming from a war-stricken area.”

“Our Christian obligation is not to create illusions,” he said. …

Mr. Orban’s formulation echoed notorious remarks made by the poet T.S. Eliot in 1933, another moment in history when Europeans expressed fears of being overwhelmed by a “flood” of non-Christian immigrants.

The Real Enemy

The highest priority must always be to defeat the real enemy, T.S. Eliot.

Of course, you can’t stop T.S. Eliot in the past without getting a few more kosher supermarket shoppers and bat mitzvah security guards murdered by Muslim thugs in the future. But the deaths of these Jews will, apparently, be a small price to pay for not having to consider whether diminishing marginal returns have started to set in for our era’s dominant ideological obsessions.

Never forget: It’s always 1933.

Thus, from the New York Times once again:

Treatment of Migrants Evokes Memories of Europe’s Darkest Hour
By RICK LYMAN SEPT. 4, 2015

BUDAPEST — In Hungary, hundreds of migrants surrounded by armed police officers were tricked into boarding a train with promises of freedom, only to be taken to a “reception” camp. In the Czech Republic, the police hustled more than 200 migrants off a train and wrote identification numbers on their hands with indelible markers, stopping only when someone pointed out that this was more than a little like the tattoos the Nazis put on concentration camp inmates.

Razor-wire fences rise along national borders in Greece, Bulgaria, Hungary and France. Many political leaders stoke rising nationalism by portraying the migrants as dangerous outsiders whose foreign cultures and Muslim religion could overwhelm cherished traditional ways.

“It was horrifying when I saw those images of police putting numbers on people’s arms,” said Robert Frolich, the chief rabbi of Hungary. “It reminded me of Auschwitz. And then putting people on a train with armed guards to take them to a camp where they are closed in? Of course there are echoes of the Holocaust.”

Europeans are facing one of the Continent’s worst humanitarian crises since World War II, yet many seem blind to images that recall that blackest time in their history.

This migrant crisis is no genocide. The issue throughout the Continent is how to register, house, resettle or repatriate hundreds of thousands of migrants and refugees, a daunting logistical challenge. But perhaps not since the Jews were rounded up by Nazi Germany have there been as many images coming out of Europe of people locked into trains, babies handed over barbed wire, men in military gear herding large crowds of bedraggled men, women and children.

At the same time, the images may reveal a deeper truth about Europe and its seeming unpreparedness for a crisis so long in the making: While extolling the virtues of human rights and humanism, it remains, in many parts, a place resistant to immigration and diversity.

As a result, some here are reacting in ways that recall some of the Continent’s darkest impulses.

“They must be oblivious because who would do that if they had any historical memory whatsoever,” said Kenneth Roth, executive director of Human Rights Watch. “It’s amazing, really. Certainly those images of the trains can’t help but conjure up nightmares of the Holocaust.”

Rabbi Frolich was especially struck by the lies used to manipulate the migrants.

“They tell them that the train was going to Austria and then take them to a camp instead,” the rabbi said. “I don’t think the police got instructions from the government to do it this way, but it is very similar to what happened to Jews in the 1940s.”

Jan Munk, chairman of the Jewish Community of Prague, was inclined to be generous in his interpretation of the episode.

“I understand the reasons why the police marked migrants with numbers,” he said. “They are under a lot of pressure and stress and simply did not realize the connotations it would have. It was indeed tasteless and reminded me of the numbers at Auschwitz, but I know it was not done on purpose.”

But for others, the fact that it was not done on purpose was even more frightening, showing a puzzling historical disconnect in many of the very places that the Holocaust caused the deepest devastation.

“It may be correct that they didn’t know, but the insensitivity and the ignorance of the imagery their actions evoked is stunning; it’s just sickening,” said Jonathan Greenblatt, national director of the Anti-Defamation League, in New York.

The T.S. Eliot Menace is the important thing, not the future of Europe.

George Orwell famously stated: “He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.”

But those who control the present may not actually get a future they will like if they are so focused upon symbolically smiting their enemies of the past that they blind themselves to learning from the present.

 
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  1. “They must be oblivious because who would do that if they had any historical memory whatsoever,” said Kenneth Roth, executive director of Human Rights Watch.

    And Roth is … wait for it … Jewish. Surprise, surprise.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Jon

    Roth isn't jewish. He had a jewish father, but he wasn't raised jewish. He had a christian wedding performed by a priest.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/19/fashion/weddings/annie-sparrow-kenneth-roth-weddings.html

    Replies: @SPMoore8, @anon

  2. Steve,

    Jews, in their obsession with race, perceive European men to be stronger competitors than Arab men and other groups. They may be right: Behold European achievement, creativity, prosperity, athleticism, cooperativeness.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    Jews have had more success competing against European men though.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Joe Walker

  3. The elites are conducting a war with their respective nation’s citizens but because it was undeclared, we did not notice.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Marat

    The elites are conducting a war with their respective nation’s citizens but because it was undeclared, we did not notice.

    We didn't notice because we aren't allowed to notice. If you notice, you will pay dearly in short-term economic and social terms.

  4. The problem is that for many Jews being part of the good whites (as Derbyshire would refer to it) is just too large an element of their identity. I think as the left becomes more actively anti-semitic through the BDS movement and other anti colonial therefore anti western groups (think La Raza) and starts harassing Jews more this will slowly change. Even my mom a nice Jewish white lady who taught in ghetto schools for over 30 years while never losing her faith in FDR liberalism has started agreeing with me that allowing in more Muslims may not be good for the Jews.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Larry, San Francisco

    Even my mom a nice Jewish white lady who taught in ghetto schools for over 30 years while never losing her faith in FDR liberalism has started agreeing with me that allowing in more Muslims may not be good for the Jews.

    Does your mom ever use that phrase, "good for the Jews"?

    Replies: @Larry, San Francisco

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Larry, San Francisco

    I don't mind Jews asking themselves the question "is it good for the Jews?". What I object to is that so many Jews reflexively try to shout-down and/or stamp-out any gentile who asks if something is good for for us.

  5. I’ve read the New York Times every day for over thirty years and the news articles now all seem like opinion pieces to push their agenda. I can’t decide if it has changed or I am just better able to pick up on the bias as I get older.

    And based on what they push for in their editorials and news articles, middle class white people would be working and taxed heavily to give things to black and brown people. It makes me want to buy more gold and hide it somewhere.

    • Replies: @Glossy
    @Flip

    I've been reading it for over 20 years. I've changed a lot during that time, but I don't think that the NYT has changed much at all. The headline font became rounder and cutesier at one point. The Help Wanted section disappeared. The tone and the politics have remained the same.

  6. Okay. No barbed wire, trains, or magic markers. What else?

    • Replies: @Big Bill
    @MLK

    No Israeli-style mist coolers anywhere near Auschwitz.

    A hot dog vendor who set up his tourist snack cart (with misters to keep his customers cool) near Auschwitz got tagged for "insensitivity" about ten days ago.

    I think Jews would have been ok with misters if a Jew was selling the hot dogs (after all they sell misters all over Israel), but alas it was a gentile.

    I wonder, do the hotel rooms the Jewish kids stay in for the night at Auschwitz have showers in the bathrooms? The hotels might want to remove them.

    Replies: @gruff, @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever..., @International Jew

    , @Hunsdon
    @MLK

    Probably no Zyklon-B either.

    , @silviosilver
    @MLK


    Okay. No barbed wire, trains, or magic markers. What else?
     
    Maybe they're subtly hinting that Europeans should just do as Israelis did to the Palestinians: forget the cattle carts and armbands, just cut to the chase and drive them out wholesale.
    , @LemmusLemmus
    @MLK

    No showers. That one's obvious. Will create some health issues, but never mind. Speaking of which: No doctors, because Mengele.

  7. A person wishing to save Europe must say: The Muslims are the New Nazis, complete fascists. They hate Christians, Jews, independent women, free speech and representative democracy and believe in religious apartheid. They rape. We must protect ourselves against these fascists. Those words throw the left off. It will not do any good at all to say these people are uneducated and unintelligent. That is drawing a distinction between humans that is verbotten to them. What will do good to attack them relentlessly on their own ground. Do not be afraid to speak of the more repulsive fascistic aspects of Islam. Keep out the Nazis, Keep out the fascists.

    • Replies: @nbc
    @cwhatfuture

    Exactly, I've seen this comparison before and it makes perfect sense. And in the same way that Nazi paraphernalia and practices are banned across Europe. It makes sense to advocate for the banning of Muslim paraphernalia and practices.

    , @Anonymous
    @cwhatfuture

    A person wishing to save Europe must say: The Muslims are the New Nazis, complete fascists. They hate Christians, Jews, independent women, free speech and representative democracy and believe in religious apartheid. They rape. We must protect ourselves against these fascists. Those words throw the left off.

    No, that is to fight within their frame. Reframe. Ignore their frame and propose your own values.

  8. “Open Source?” That’s what the NYT slugs this news-analysis series as? Not only is it an abuse of dictionary meaning (last I checked they don’t let the public collaborate on editing their paper), it’s also a bit self-congratulatory and, well, faddish. Do they also run special sections called “Bingeing On TiVo” or “Miley Cyrus”

  9. Considering the graying demographics of the NYT’s “core” readership this is further proof that the thing is just being assembled by A.I. news software now

  10. The moneylenders are our inveterate enemies. The deli owners may become our allies.

  11. I have given up trying to reason. We have always made the mistake of thinking that we can reason with these people. They don’t reason, they emote as publically as possible. Those in academia have even created philosophies to replace reason. They believe that each episteme (age) has its own values and that no one set of values (except mine) can be less valid than the next. The see the “marginalized” key to creating a new episteme with discourses that will exactly match the world as they wish it to be. By throwing in their lot with the marginalized they believe they will help usher in their new age.

    The result is that they are impervious to reason. Never try to reason with them. Attack them on a personal level. With some female academics, this is easy as they have a research profile that simply does not match their pay grade. Point this out. I just had great fun reducing one lady to tears. She was talking about “my lack of respect”. She is a Christian and I pointed out that one of the ten commandments is to “honour they father and mother”. In her teens and early twenties, she was an anorexic and she put her father and mother through hell. Now anorexia is no longer in fashion, it is exceedingly rare. I merely pointed out that in supporting Syrian settlement, she was jumping on the latest bandwagon without thought to the consequences.

    Don’t be nice, be nasty, identify their personal weaknesses and don’t hold back.

    They’ve won. Europe is screwed. At least give yourself the pleasure of making one of them cry. Don’t be a gentleman. They don’t deserve it.

    • Replies: @Perspective
    @22pp22


    They’ve won. Europe is screwed. At least give yourself the pleasure of making one of them cry. Don’t be a gentleman. They don’t deserve it.
     
    It's hard to say how this is all going to play out in to the future, but I think you are right, a turning point has been reached in Europe. I think one of the reasons why the Hungarian government gave up trying to enforce asylum laws was so that at least Hungary can be saved for the Hungarian people, while western European countries get over run. The migration stream coming from Turkey to Greece seems more orchestrated and planned than the Italian route from Libya. I think Turkey is trying to unload a good chunk of its 1.5 million refugees on Europe. Right now, all seems to be relatively quiet on the western Mediterranean front. If this changes, I would expect many of those migrants to travel through Spain to France and camp at Calais by the Eurostar Train trying to get in to Britain. The British government will probably capitulate (like all the other ones have) because of the sheer numbers and let them in. This "refugee crisis" could be solved tomorrow. It's a tragedy that the screams of globalists and radical leftists speak for us all.
    , @celt darnell
    @22pp22

    Re: They’ve won. Europe is screwed.

    I used to think this way. I don't any more.

    Too many anti-immigrant political parties are on the rise across the Continent and this latest fiasco will only strengthen their support.

    I can now see Marine Le Pen as President of France.

    I predict every major European nation will be governed by an anti-immigration, anti-multicultural and anti-Islamic party or coalition of parties before 2025.

    It's not going to be pretty though.

  12. “large crowds of bedraggled men, women and children.”

    Uh ‘bedraggled,’ really? One of the things that has most struck me is how spiffy and trendy there dress seems to be. As well as the physical energy with which they are making their demands.

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bedraggled

    “While extolling the virtues of human rights and humanism, [Europe] remains, in many parts, a place resistant to immigration and diversity.”

    What is this guy talking about? If democratic citizens in Europe had been offered the choice and they decided against mass immigration, then who are they resisting exactly?

    But that’s a hypothetitical, they weren’t given the choice, and it is hard to think of anywhere outside Europe besides some parts of the US that have higher percentages of the population as recent immigrants than Europe.

    In fact if Mr. Lyman had cared to do some research on the matter in the course of presenting innaccurate statements as fact in the furtherance of some kind of agenda, he may have come across the first lines in this article.

    “Immigration to Europe has a long history, but increased substantially in the later 20th century. Especially Western European countries saw a high growth in immigration after World War II and many European nations today (particularly those of the EU-15) have sizeable immigrant populations, both of European and non-European origin.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Europe

  13. This is like that movie “Goodbye, Lenin!” right? You have some people who fell into a coma, medically or otherwise, during the social upheaval of the post-’45 era, so some goodhearted kids put together a whole fake news apparatus to soothe the poor elderly dears in their dotage. Once the Jerry Lewis concentration-camp movie gets released we’ll be able to reflect on it as yet another “End of History” moment.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Godwin Daily


    Once the Jerry Lewis concentration-camp movie gets released…
     
    Is he still alive? Does anyone care?

    And didn't Roberto Benigni beat him to the "Jerry Lewis concentration camp movie"?

    Replies: @Godwin Daily

  14. “….but it is very similar to what happened to Jews in the 1940s.”

    Um, not it is not. The Nazis kept people in ghettos/concentration camps and prevented them from escaping. These migrants are free to leave. The door is right there. Give them a complimentary gift basket.

    Mr. Orban and other smart Europeans are trying to keep the opportunistic migrants away from their country. Most people do not want them there. Just like the Israelis don’t want people sneaking into their country.

    “…whose foreign cultures and Muslim religion could overwhelm cherished traditional ways”

    Could overwhelm? It certainly will.

    “While extolling the virtues of human rights and humanism, it remains, in many parts, a place resistant to immigration and diversity.”

    Europe and the U.S. are way too lenient with immigration and diversity in comparison to nearly any other country of decent living. Even when there is little benefit. More resistance is necessary.

  15. @cwhatfuture
    A person wishing to save Europe must say: The Muslims are the New Nazis, complete fascists. They hate Christians, Jews, independent women, free speech and representative democracy and believe in religious apartheid. They rape. We must protect ourselves against these fascists. Those words throw the left off. It will not do any good at all to say these people are uneducated and unintelligent. That is drawing a distinction between humans that is verbotten to them. What will do good to attack them relentlessly on their own ground. Do not be afraid to speak of the more repulsive fascistic aspects of Islam. Keep out the Nazis, Keep out the fascists.

    Replies: @nbc, @Anonymous

    Exactly, I’ve seen this comparison before and it makes perfect sense. And in the same way that Nazi paraphernalia and practices are banned across Europe. It makes sense to advocate for the banning of Muslim paraphernalia and practices.

  16. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Larry, San Francisco
    The problem is that for many Jews being part of the good whites (as Derbyshire would refer to it) is just too large an element of their identity. I think as the left becomes more actively anti-semitic through the BDS movement and other anti colonial therefore anti western groups (think La Raza) and starts harassing Jews more this will slowly change. Even my mom a nice Jewish white lady who taught in ghetto schools for over 30 years while never losing her faith in FDR liberalism has started agreeing with me that allowing in more Muslims may not be good for the Jews.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Mr. Anon

    Even my mom a nice Jewish white lady who taught in ghetto schools for over 30 years while never losing her faith in FDR liberalism has started agreeing with me that allowing in more Muslims may not be good for the Jews.

    Does your mom ever use that phrase, “good for the Jews”?

    • Replies: @Larry, San Francisco
    @Anonymous

    No she would never say that. She is more fearful than nationalist. The problem is she has been more fearful of unreal threats (i.e. conservative Christians) then actual threats (i.e. importing crazy people from the 3rd world). It is interesting my mother-in-law who is a conservative Christian New Englander has a portrait of Netanyahu (who my mom detests) and several Pro-Israel bumper stickers on her car. Perhaps that is why she always liked me as a son-in-law.

    Replies: @Joe Walker

  17. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @cwhatfuture
    A person wishing to save Europe must say: The Muslims are the New Nazis, complete fascists. They hate Christians, Jews, independent women, free speech and representative democracy and believe in religious apartheid. They rape. We must protect ourselves against these fascists. Those words throw the left off. It will not do any good at all to say these people are uneducated and unintelligent. That is drawing a distinction between humans that is verbotten to them. What will do good to attack them relentlessly on their own ground. Do not be afraid to speak of the more repulsive fascistic aspects of Islam. Keep out the Nazis, Keep out the fascists.

    Replies: @nbc, @Anonymous

    A person wishing to save Europe must say: The Muslims are the New Nazis, complete fascists. They hate Christians, Jews, independent women, free speech and representative democracy and believe in religious apartheid. They rape. We must protect ourselves against these fascists. Those words throw the left off.

    No, that is to fight within their frame. Reframe. Ignore their frame and propose your own values.

  18. @Marat
    The elites are conducting a war with their respective nation's citizens but because it was undeclared, we did not notice.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    The elites are conducting a war with their respective nation’s citizens but because it was undeclared, we did not notice.

    We didn’t notice because we aren’t allowed to notice. If you notice, you will pay dearly in short-term economic and social terms.

  19. Leftist loudmouths who just happen to be Jewish are not representative of Jews in general.

    Most Jews who’ve thought about immigration probably agree with Steve, VDare, and so forth, but we don’t control the megaphone.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Borachio


    Most Jews who’ve thought about immigration probably agree with Steve, VDare, and so forth…
     
    You might be right about that. But the operative words are "most Jews who've thought". What is that? 10%? 5%?

    Replies: @International Jew

    , @Joe Walker
    @Borachio

    Please explain why most Jews voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012 if Jewish leftists are not representative of Jews in general?

    , @neutral
    @Borachio

    Completely false, if you observe the voting habits of jews in the USA and all of Europe, they all overwhelmingly indicate that they lean left and hard left.

  20. No.

    Good luck with the other 6,999,999.

    (Practically, you have a couple commenters on here who agree with you, so maybe 6,999,990.)

  21. @22pp22
    I have given up trying to reason. We have always made the mistake of thinking that we can reason with these people. They don't reason, they emote as publically as possible. Those in academia have even created philosophies to replace reason. They believe that each episteme (age) has its own values and that no one set of values (except mine) can be less valid than the next. The see the "marginalized" key to creating a new episteme with discourses that will exactly match the world as they wish it to be. By throwing in their lot with the marginalized they believe they will help usher in their new age.

    The result is that they are impervious to reason. Never try to reason with them. Attack them on a personal level. With some female academics, this is easy as they have a research profile that simply does not match their pay grade. Point this out. I just had great fun reducing one lady to tears. She was talking about "my lack of respect". She is a Christian and I pointed out that one of the ten commandments is to "honour they father and mother". In her teens and early twenties, she was an anorexic and she put her father and mother through hell. Now anorexia is no longer in fashion, it is exceedingly rare. I merely pointed out that in supporting Syrian settlement, she was jumping on the latest bandwagon without thought to the consequences.

    Don't be nice, be nasty, identify their personal weaknesses and don't hold back.

    They've won. Europe is screwed. At least give yourself the pleasure of making one of them cry. Don't be a gentleman. They don't deserve it.

    Replies: @Perspective, @celt darnell

    They’ve won. Europe is screwed. At least give yourself the pleasure of making one of them cry. Don’t be a gentleman. They don’t deserve it.

    It’s hard to say how this is all going to play out in to the future, but I think you are right, a turning point has been reached in Europe. I think one of the reasons why the Hungarian government gave up trying to enforce asylum laws was so that at least Hungary can be saved for the Hungarian people, while western European countries get over run. The migration stream coming from Turkey to Greece seems more orchestrated and planned than the Italian route from Libya. I think Turkey is trying to unload a good chunk of its 1.5 million refugees on Europe. Right now, all seems to be relatively quiet on the western Mediterranean front. If this changes, I would expect many of those migrants to travel through Spain to France and camp at Calais by the Eurostar Train trying to get in to Britain. The British government will probably capitulate (like all the other ones have) because of the sheer numbers and let them in. This “refugee crisis” could be solved tomorrow. It’s a tragedy that the screams of globalists and radical leftists speak for us all.

  22. Exactly. The Muslims were always allied with the Nazis. Even today they are Nazis. They eat up Nazi literature, they hate Jews, they think they are the master race.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @zaqan


    Exactly. The Muslims were always allied with the Nazis. Even today they are Nazis. They eat up Nazi literature, they hate Jews, they think they are the master race.
     
    You mean Muslims thinking themselves as the chosen people. Jewish chosenness is tiny compared to Muslim supremacism.
  23. There was never any Jewish conspiracy to bring hordes of hostile Nazi-Muslims to Europe and the US. That comes from the cultural marxism that developed out of Protestant views, which Jews in the US and Canada adopted as they rose up the social ladder. The Protestant elites already had this insane opinion, all this equality love and happiness crap isnt from Judaism, thats for sure. Note how absolutely zero of the Jewish descent individuals involved in cultural marxism are in any sense religious. They are all atheists, well, not quite. They believe in marxism.

    But the idea expounded by many altright readers that Jews are trying to destroy Europe is utterly ridiculous. Why would Jews bring about their own certain doom?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @zaqan

    But the idea expounded by many altright readers that Jews are trying to destroy Europe is utterly ridiculous. Why would Jews bring about their own certain doom?

    They want to destroy Europe because they are insanely jealous of European talent and accomplishment or see Europeans as an existential threat. Because of the attraction jews (male and female) feel to Europeans, Judaism cannot survive/coexist in the same space with Europeans without segregation. Zionism, for example, was a reaction against desegregation. It was driven primarily by Judaism's prejudice against intermarriage.

    Replies: @SFG

    , @anon
    @zaqan


    But the idea expounded by many altright readers that Jews are trying to destroy Europe is utterly ridiculous. Why would Jews bring about their own certain doom?
     
    Beats me. Why would Protestant Europeans? According to you, they are, though.

    The difference is, once Europe is gone, there's nowhere else for Europeans to go.
    , @Joe Walker
    @zaqan

    So now it is the Protestants' fault? Next week you will be blaming the Catholics and the week after that the Orthodox Christians.

    , @gruff
    @zaqan


    But the idea expounded by many altright readers that Jews are trying to destroy Europe is utterly ridiculous. Why would Jews bring about their own certain doom?
     
    Please review this old standby and answer your own question for me: what is Spectre thinking? Why does she want to destroy Europe?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ
    , @Massimo Heitor
    @zaqan


    But the idea expounded by many altright readers that Jews are trying to destroy Europe is utterly ridiculous. Why would Jews bring about their own certain doom?
     
    Jews have had an outsized influence in the leftist white guilt movement. Some Jews defended Israel and Jewish ethnic sovereignty while demonizing similar white countries. The white leaders who crusaded against South African white sovereignty were largely Jewish.

    But beyond that, you are right. Netanyahu and his ilk have zero animosity towards whites and West Europe. And while his job is to defend Israel, I suspect he's very sympathetic with white Europe. Many regular Jews are equally horrified by what is happening. Jews are prominent among immigration critics like Ilana Mercer and Ben Shapiro. Recent far right icons like Barry Goldwater and Milton Friedman were super Jewish.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @zaqan

    That is highly disingenuous reading of history. Writing Jews out of the development of Marxist thought (what ethnicity was Marx, by the way?) amounts to an outright lie.

  24. iSteveFan says:

    This is where a Donald Trump in power would do some good, both in the USA and in every European nation. The media is just using the same game plan they and SJWs have been using for years. They push an agenda, tar opponents as racists and wait for their opponents to apologize and dutifully lie down.

    But Trump has shown how to handle them. Stand up for your beliefs and don’t apologize. Just look at how Trump handled Jorge Ramos. Ramos tried to grandstand and shame Trump into accepting the prevailing ideology, and Trump would have nothing of it. Though the media protested and thought it was a “gotcha” moment for Trump, the man on the street was solidly behind Trump. There are reports that even Latinos approved of the way Trump handled himself.

    Right now Europe needs a Trump to say enough is enough. I don’t know if the Hungarian guy is the one. But they need a strong, confident authority figure to stand up to this madness. I am sure the European populace is waiting for such leadership. The SJWs and MSM are paper tigers. They point and sputter and make a lot of noise. And most people are readily intimidated. But I think that is the extent of it. We just need more guys like Trump to show the masses there is nothing to fear from standing up to them.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @iSteveFan


    This is where a Donald Trump in power would do some good, both in the USA and in every European nation
     
    I can't wait for the summit meeting: Donald Trump, meet Donald Tusk.
    , @Anonymous
    @iSteveFan

    Trump said the US should take in some Syrian refugees on Morning Joe a few days ago:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19rjRgA8caE

    Replies: @Jason Roberts

  25. As a student Victor Orban risked his own life confronting tanks in Budapest and made a speech in Hero’s Square which played a leading role in the downfall of communism. He has five children and unlike most European “Christians” he actually bothers to go to Mass regularly.

    He, frankly, is the closest thing to a hero that sad pathetic continent has.

    • Replies: @Glossy
    @Bert

    None of his speeches had any impact on the Kremlin's decisions. And actually, the fall of the Soviet system was the thing that made the future flooding of Eastern Europe with third-worlders possible. It reminds me of Walesa being punished for anti-gay remarks. Serves him right. What did he think he fought for? That was always going to be a part of the package.

    Replies: @Bert

    , @celt darnell
    @Bert

    And what heroes does your continent have?

  26. @Godwin Daily
    This is like that movie "Goodbye, Lenin!" right? You have some people who fell into a coma, medically or otherwise, during the social upheaval of the post-'45 era, so some goodhearted kids put together a whole fake news apparatus to soothe the poor elderly dears in their dotage. Once the Jerry Lewis concentration-camp movie gets released we'll be able to reflect on it as yet another "End of History" moment.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Once the Jerry Lewis concentration-camp movie gets released…

    Is he still alive? Does anyone care?

    And didn’t Roberto Benigni beat him to the “Jerry Lewis concentration camp movie”?

    • Replies: @Godwin Daily
    @Reg Cæsar

    The (probably unreleaseable) Jerry Lewis film w/ the Holocaust setting is reputed to be tonally and substantively divergent from Benigni's liberal-sensitive movie (which, oddly enough, no one today watches or talks about, other than to mock his Oscars behavior). The problem in the former case seems to be more that it's just a tacky flick rather than specially taboo-violating in some way.

    Documentaries aside, I am aware of no financially successful cinematic or literary work taking the Nazi internment/genocide regime as its main subject that was immune to withering accusations of dastardly anti-Jewish sentiment by someone. That includes Schindler's List, Maus, The Pianist, Apt Pupil* (*n.b. a Stephen King short story reinterpreted by Bryan "Cabana Boy" Singer), Everything Is Illuminated, Sophie's Choice, even the pedestrian NBC miniseries about the Warsaw ghetto uprising; I would not be surprised if Judgment At Nuremberg had its incensed critics at the time.

    Like the JFK assassination, the 1960s civil rights movement, or any depictions of Jerusalem-area public executions ca. 2000 years ago, it seems impossible to handle this subject in a conventionally acceptable way, or at least without the cranks flocking to it. I remember in the mid 90s believing that, as older generations passed away, these historical episodes (perhaps not the 33 A.D. one) would lose their grip on the public imagination and come to be seen from a more equanimous perspective. That has not happened (if anything we're going in the opposite direction). Witness Natalie Portman reaping the whirlwind recently for, not unreasonably if yet somewhat clumsily, questioning if the WWII Jewish genocide deserved any pride-of-place over more recent, apparently ho-hum genocides in sub-Saharan locales. I don't even think the "genocide" benchmark is what's fueling it. These historical-fiction strands whether they're from Nazis or slave auctions or lone gunmen clearly still serve some purpose, remaining useful to someone.

  27. The only consistent policy is keeping the wars going. Flooding Europe with refugees is a by product of the wars .

    • Replies: @FLgeezer
    @George

    >Flooding Europe with refugees is a by product of the wars

    Agreed. And who do we have to thank for the wars? Neocons. The impending fall of Christian Europe is enough to have convinced me that jewish elites really do hate we white goyim. And they're implementing the same plan in America with uncontrolled immigration. All this and they've destroyed the middle east too. You've heard of the Samson Option? They've managed to bring it about without nuking a single Arab or European metropolis. Call it Son of Samson. Such a deal!

  28. For Secular Jewish intellectuals, getting Orthodox Jews harassed in the streets and killed in kosher stores is a feature, not a bug.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Bettega

    For Secular Jewish intellectuals, getting Orthodox Jews harassed in the streets and killed in kosher stores is a feature, not a bug.

    You lie.

    , @cwhatfuture
    @Bettega

    This is an insane comment.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Mr. Anon

  29. Anything that promotes Us & Them is good for Jewish solidarity and identity and is thus good for Jews.

    Destroying the solidarity and identity of the Jews’ Them is also good for the Jews.

    In Oz, and I imagine the same goes for all the Judeo-American West, Jewish and Islamic schools get government funding for beefed up security.

    Of the 54 schools receiving extra security that I helped pay for, 17 are Jewish, 15 Islamic, and 11 independent (probably including Melbourne Grammar. Gotta protect those classy guys.)

    In Sydney Jews live in exclusive suburbs in the east, Bondi, St Ives and a few others, and are effectively safe from immigration due to those areas not having public housing, and not receiving the influx of the world’s detritus due to the high cost of entry to those areas.

    The world’s detritus is settled in Sydney’s western and south-western suburbs where there is no security protection for schools, and further more, we can go to hell, which we have.

    So, yes, Muslim mass immigration is good for the Jews.*

    *In the Judeo-American West. Not in Israel.

  30. Speaking of 1933, T.S. Eliot famou–err, infamously gave a lecture at the Univ. Of Virginia which is known as his “After Strange Gods” speech which contained the following: “What is still more important [than cultural homogeneity] is unity of religious background, and reasons of race and religion combine to make any large number of free-thinking Jews undesirable.”

    What is it with these tea-bagging rednecks like T.S. Eliot? To say nothing of the mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging redneck Ezra Pound!

  31. @iSteveFan
    This is where a Donald Trump in power would do some good, both in the USA and in every European nation. The media is just using the same game plan they and SJWs have been using for years. They push an agenda, tar opponents as racists and wait for their opponents to apologize and dutifully lie down.

    But Trump has shown how to handle them. Stand up for your beliefs and don't apologize. Just look at how Trump handled Jorge Ramos. Ramos tried to grandstand and shame Trump into accepting the prevailing ideology, and Trump would have nothing of it. Though the media protested and thought it was a "gotcha" moment for Trump, the man on the street was solidly behind Trump. There are reports that even Latinos approved of the way Trump handled himself.

    Right now Europe needs a Trump to say enough is enough. I don't know if the Hungarian guy is the one. But they need a strong, confident authority figure to stand up to this madness. I am sure the European populace is waiting for such leadership. The SJWs and MSM are paper tigers. They point and sputter and make a lot of noise. And most people are readily intimidated. But I think that is the extent of it. We just need more guys like Trump to show the masses there is nothing to fear from standing up to them.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous

    This is where a Donald Trump in power would do some good, both in the USA and in every European nation

    I can’t wait for the summit meeting: Donald Trump, meet Donald Tusk.

  32. Hundreds of thousands? I would say ‘millions’ if you add up all the numbers.

  33. T.S. Eliot is the enemy?

    Finally, St. Louis matters again.

  34. @Borachio
    Leftist loudmouths who just happen to be Jewish are not representative of Jews in general.

    Most Jews who've thought about immigration probably agree with Steve, VDare, and so forth, but we don't control the megaphone.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Joe Walker, @neutral

    Most Jews who’ve thought about immigration probably agree with Steve, VDare, and so forth…

    You might be right about that. But the operative words are “most Jews who’ve thought“. What is that? 10%? 5%?

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Reg Cæsar

    Much more. Those Jews the Times found, to get quotes from, you can bet they're no random sample. I know Jews in Western Europe, successful, wealthy, and socially liberal to a fault, but they all know the score now, when it comes to Muslim immigrants.

    Like it or not, it's not Jews but good 'ol actual Germans, Swedes, Brits etc who have gone suicidal.

    As for American Jews, those of us who have kids now in college are getting an object lesson in the effects of a generation of mass migration from the Muslim world (and India too): where in our day, anti-Israel campus politics was a relatively tame affair headed by American leftists, today, under more, ahem, diverse leadership it's risen to a whole new level of vicious.

    Replies: @gruff

  35. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @zaqan
    There was never any Jewish conspiracy to bring hordes of hostile Nazi-Muslims to Europe and the US. That comes from the cultural marxism that developed out of Protestant views, which Jews in the US and Canada adopted as they rose up the social ladder. The Protestant elites already had this insane opinion, all this equality love and happiness crap isnt from Judaism, thats for sure. Note how absolutely zero of the Jewish descent individuals involved in cultural marxism are in any sense religious. They are all atheists, well, not quite. They believe in marxism.

    But the idea expounded by many altright readers that Jews are trying to destroy Europe is utterly ridiculous. Why would Jews bring about their own certain doom?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @anon, @Joe Walker, @gruff, @Massimo Heitor, @Mr. Anon

    But the idea expounded by many altright readers that Jews are trying to destroy Europe is utterly ridiculous. Why would Jews bring about their own certain doom?

    They want to destroy Europe because they are insanely jealous of European talent and accomplishment or see Europeans as an existential threat. Because of the attraction jews (male and female) feel to Europeans, Judaism cannot survive/coexist in the same space with Europeans without segregation. Zionism, for example, was a reaction against desegregation. It was driven primarily by Judaism’s prejudice against intermarriage.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Anonymous

    Depends what you mean by 'survive'; intermarriage rates in the USA are close to 1/2, and the community's pretty steady in numbers.

    Zionism was a reaction against antisemitism; Herzl was inspired by the Dreyfus Affair. There's a reason you can't get American Jews to go to Israel in large numbers.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  36. My initial reaction is not to care whether it’s good for the Jews, but I thought about it a little.

    I’d say it definitely NOT good for the Jews, even though many prominent Jews apparently think otherwise.

    I’m not a big fan of Jews but there is room for Jews to be regular deluded libs and not so all powerfully clever as some here seem to think.

  37. Answer: No.

    But the Jews as Sailer have put it are too busy fighting the last war to notice the new enemy that just walked in the front door and now is in the living room and is ready to pull out a blade.

    Their hatred blinds them just like it does the socialists, feminists, gays, assorted freaks and radical atheists in Europe. Often times you find them at the forefront of open border movements and protests designed to silence those who resist it.

    They too will find themselves as targets of Muslims and will be cut down as well.

    All will get their just rewards for high treason against their people and culture.

  38. @Jon

    "They must be oblivious because who would do that if they had any historical memory whatsoever,” said Kenneth Roth, executive director of Human Rights Watch.
     
    And Roth is ... wait for it ... Jewish. Surprise, surprise.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Roth isn’t jewish. He had a jewish father, but he wasn’t raised jewish. He had a christian wedding performed by a priest.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/19/fashion/weddings/annie-sparrow-kenneth-roth-weddings.html

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    @Anonymous

    Normally, I don't like to play this game but if a guy marries a woman for his second marriage at the age of 55 in an Episcopal ceremony it's really no different than getting married by a JP and has no relevance in determining ethnic or religious affiliations.

    The first lines from the wiki: "Kenneth Roth, a graduate of Yale Law School and Brown University, was drawn to human rights causes through his Jewish father's experience of fleeing Nazi Germany in 1938. His father would keep his three young sons quiet as he cut their hair by telling tales of their grandfather's butcher shop in Frankfurt, Germany. As they grew older, he told them about living under the Nazis as a young boy and fleeing Germany in July 1938."

    I'd call that "raised Jewish."

    He is also categorized as "American Jew" and "Jew of German Jewish descent"

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @anon
    @Anonymous


    Dr. Sparrow, 42, is keeping her name. She is a pediatrician and public health specialist, and until last year worked from Nairobi, Kenya, as the director of Unicef’s malaria program in Somalia
     
    Off-topic, from a genetic / HBD point of view (if you believe behavior has a genetic component) you have to wonder what is going to happen with Jews marrying all these pathological altruist Diane Keaton types.

    (only if they have kids of course)

  39. Will Europe say the following?

    This is the way the world ends
    Not with a bang but a whimper.

    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
    @Ivy

    T. S. Eliot, and all Anglos, must be punished for quoting the Jew of Malta in his poems "Mr. Eliot's Sunday Morning Service" and "Portrait of a Lady".

    The latter poem's quote strikes rather true for mine:

    Thou hast committed —
    Fornication: but that was in another country,
    And besides, the wench is dead.
    (The Jew of Malta)

  40. @Anonymous
    Steve,

    Jews, in their obsession with race, perceive European men to be stronger competitors than Arab men and other groups. They may be right: Behold European achievement, creativity, prosperity, athleticism, cooperativeness.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Jews have had more success competing against European men though.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    Jews have had more success competing against European men though.

    No, actually, they haven't. Jews have been quite dominant across North Africa and the Middle East, although they have kept a lower profile. You mistake benefiting from and being part of the general European prosperity and cooperativeness for success in competing against European men.

    , @Joe Walker
    @Anonymous

    How so?

    Replies: @anon

  41. @Ivy
    Will Europe say the following?

    This is the way the world ends
    Not with a bang but a whimper.

    Replies: @Pat Hannagan

    T. S. Eliot, and all Anglos, must be punished for quoting the Jew of Malta in his poems “Mr. Eliot’s Sunday Morning Service” and “Portrait of a Lady”.

    The latter poem’s quote strikes rather true for mine:

    Thou hast committed —
    Fornication: but that was in another country,
    And besides, the wench is dead.
    (The Jew of Malta)

  42. @iSteveFan
    This is where a Donald Trump in power would do some good, both in the USA and in every European nation. The media is just using the same game plan they and SJWs have been using for years. They push an agenda, tar opponents as racists and wait for their opponents to apologize and dutifully lie down.

    But Trump has shown how to handle them. Stand up for your beliefs and don't apologize. Just look at how Trump handled Jorge Ramos. Ramos tried to grandstand and shame Trump into accepting the prevailing ideology, and Trump would have nothing of it. Though the media protested and thought it was a "gotcha" moment for Trump, the man on the street was solidly behind Trump. There are reports that even Latinos approved of the way Trump handled himself.

    Right now Europe needs a Trump to say enough is enough. I don't know if the Hungarian guy is the one. But they need a strong, confident authority figure to stand up to this madness. I am sure the European populace is waiting for such leadership. The SJWs and MSM are paper tigers. They point and sputter and make a lot of noise. And most people are readily intimidated. But I think that is the extent of it. We just need more guys like Trump to show the masses there is nothing to fear from standing up to them.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous

    Trump said the US should take in some Syrian refugees on Morning Joe a few days ago:

    • Replies: @Jason Roberts
    @Anonymous

    If there are any hotties among the refugees, yes, let's take them in.

    Replies: @antipater_1

  43. How did they forget to mention Eliot’s association with Ezra Pound and isn’t it time to dig up his corpse and put him back in that cage?

    • Replies: @gruff
    @Dennis Dale

    Pound also brought the structure of money into question and that's a spectre not many in power want to see raised.

  44. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Most of the ” refugees” as they called themselves are equipped with hi-tech cell phones, smartphones, etc. which make me wonder how they can pay for the service to the carrier? Who are they calling? If they are asylum seekers, somehow they are deprived of this connection to their homeland as they are deemed running from war or persecution. Most of the men looked like they are on an adventure.

    • Agree: gruff
    • Replies: @Anon7
    @Anonymous

    They are a well-dressed, well-equipped and well-financed bunch, aren't they? They are not on an "adventure" except insofar as men do feel excitement when offered a real challenge. In this case, the challenge is that these men have the financial backing of their extended clan groups or families, and their assignment is to travel to a foreign, infidel land, establish themselves, and then BRING OVER all their relatives.

    Your comment made me realize that this is yet another effect of smartphone technology on immigration: it means that the folks back home can keep close track of their investment and ensure that he doesn't "go native" (ie, pick up bad western habits like sitting around in his apartment on welfare, playing video games and Tinder all day).

  45. anon • Disclaimer says:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_age_of_Jewish_culture_in_Spain

    Some years ago I watched and listened in on various conversations where the subtext was seeing Moorish Spain (where they ran the white slave trade) as their golden age.

    (This was before the growth of overt Muslim activism became an issue.)

    I think the point they miss(ed?) is the Arabs need Jewish help against Euros so if they get rid of all the Euros then the Arabs won’t need Jewish help any more and we can all guess what happens next.

    So (minus the caveat) that would be the rationale.

    However personally I don’t believe people are rational; I think they make emotional decisions and then rationalize them afterwards. I think the real deal is Jews bring up their kids to believe the majority population hate them and want to kill them and this works as a group cohesion technique but also makes them paranoid.

    So their paranoia about the majority leads them to try and weaken the majority and so they support mass immigration including Muslim immigration until a tipping point is reached where paranoia about Muslims outweighs paranoia about Euros.

    This process of flipping started quite a while ago so who knows what the percentages are now but there’s a second aspect which is the people at the top of the totem pole will feel the heat last which means any tipping point will require a majority weighted to the top third rather than an absolute majority and who knows when that tipping point will be reached – by the time people like Zuckerberg feel the heat it may be a tad late.

  46. @Anonymous
    @Jon

    Roth isn't jewish. He had a jewish father, but he wasn't raised jewish. He had a christian wedding performed by a priest.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/19/fashion/weddings/annie-sparrow-kenneth-roth-weddings.html

    Replies: @SPMoore8, @anon

    Normally, I don’t like to play this game but if a guy marries a woman for his second marriage at the age of 55 in an Episcopal ceremony it’s really no different than getting married by a JP and has no relevance in determining ethnic or religious affiliations.

    The first lines from the wiki: “Kenneth Roth, a graduate of Yale Law School and Brown University, was drawn to human rights causes through his Jewish father’s experience of fleeing Nazi Germany in 1938. His father would keep his three young sons quiet as he cut their hair by telling tales of their grandfather’s butcher shop in Frankfurt, Germany. As they grew older, he told them about living under the Nazis as a young boy and fleeing Germany in July 1938.”

    I’d call that “raised Jewish.”

    He is also categorized as “American Jew” and “Jew of German Jewish descent”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @SPMoore8


    Normally, I don’t like to play this game but if a guy marries a woman for his second marriage at the age of 55 in an Episcopal ceremony it’s really no different than getting married by a JP and has no relevance in determining ethnic or religious affiliations.
     
    This is a good point, and it puts into perspective the claim that Jews are 'dying out' because of intermarriage with gentiles. It's marriages that produce children that matter. The others have no long term significance.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  47. @Reg Cæsar
    @Borachio


    Most Jews who’ve thought about immigration probably agree with Steve, VDare, and so forth…
     
    You might be right about that. But the operative words are "most Jews who've thought". What is that? 10%? 5%?

    Replies: @International Jew

    Much more. Those Jews the Times found, to get quotes from, you can bet they’re no random sample. I know Jews in Western Europe, successful, wealthy, and socially liberal to a fault, but they all know the score now, when it comes to Muslim immigrants.

    Like it or not, it’s not Jews but good ‘ol actual Germans, Swedes, Brits etc who have gone suicidal.

    As for American Jews, those of us who have kids now in college are getting an object lesson in the effects of a generation of mass migration from the Muslim world (and India too): where in our day, anti-Israel campus politics was a relatively tame affair headed by American leftists, today, under more, ahem, diverse leadership it’s risen to a whole new level of vicious.

    • Agree: SPMoore8
    • Replies: @gruff
    @International Jew

    O.K. then start getting your people to support our people instead of always only working to get our people to support your people. Quid pro quo.

    Replies: @SFG

  48. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    @Jon

    Roth isn't jewish. He had a jewish father, but he wasn't raised jewish. He had a christian wedding performed by a priest.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/19/fashion/weddings/annie-sparrow-kenneth-roth-weddings.html

    Replies: @SPMoore8, @anon

    Dr. Sparrow, 42, is keeping her name. She is a pediatrician and public health specialist, and until last year worked from Nairobi, Kenya, as the director of Unicef’s malaria program in Somalia

    Off-topic, from a genetic / HBD point of view (if you believe behavior has a genetic component) you have to wonder what is going to happen with Jews marrying all these pathological altruist Diane Keaton types.

    (only if they have kids of course)

  49. @Flip
    I've read the New York Times every day for over thirty years and the news articles now all seem like opinion pieces to push their agenda. I can't decide if it has changed or I am just better able to pick up on the bias as I get older.

    And based on what they push for in their editorials and news articles, middle class white people would be working and taxed heavily to give things to black and brown people. It makes me want to buy more gold and hide it somewhere.

    Replies: @Glossy

    I’ve been reading it for over 20 years. I’ve changed a lot during that time, but I don’t think that the NYT has changed much at all. The headline font became rounder and cutesier at one point. The Help Wanted section disappeared. The tone and the politics have remained the same.

  50. @Bettega
    For Secular Jewish intellectuals, getting Orthodox Jews harassed in the streets and killed in kosher stores is a feature, not a bug.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @cwhatfuture

    For Secular Jewish intellectuals, getting Orthodox Jews harassed in the streets and killed in kosher stores is a feature, not a bug.

    You lie.

  51. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    There is the fatally flawed belief that they will continue to thrive when the European Christian societies cease to exist as European and Christian because they have instances of thriving in some non highly-ordered, non high-trust societies. Problem is, these societies where always anchored by the highly ordered, high trust societies. But when these highly developed, high-trust societies are no more there will be no major source to buoy things up. History doesn’t repeat itself. It’s a one shot deal. But they facilitated this brilliantly, demonically. They showed the wind and they will reap the whirlwind.

  52. @George
    The only consistent policy is keeping the wars going. Flooding Europe with refugees is a by product of the wars .

    Replies: @FLgeezer

    >Flooding Europe with refugees is a by product of the wars

    Agreed. And who do we have to thank for the wars? Neocons. The impending fall of Christian Europe is enough to have convinced me that jewish elites really do hate we white goyim. And they’re implementing the same plan in America with uncontrolled immigration. All this and they’ve destroyed the middle east too. You’ve heard of the Samson Option? They’ve managed to bring it about without nuking a single Arab or European metropolis. Call it Son of Samson. Such a deal!

  53. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    Jews have had more success competing against European men though.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Joe Walker

    Jews have had more success competing against European men though.

    No, actually, they haven’t. Jews have been quite dominant across North Africa and the Middle East, although they have kept a lower profile. You mistake benefiting from and being part of the general European prosperity and cooperativeness for success in competing against European men.

  54. From NY Times:

    “Many, including Ms. Merkel, have compared the challenge facing Germany to the historic decisions after the breach of the Berlin Wall in November 1989, when the leaders of West Germany swiftly enacted measures aimed at ensuring the peaceful merger of what for decades had been two separate states.”

    Is this self-delusion? I can’t imagine two more different situations. The reunification brought together a single people – in some,cases it actually reunited families.

  55. @zaqan
    Exactly. The Muslims were always allied with the Nazis. Even today they are Nazis. They eat up Nazi literature, they hate Jews, they think they are the master race.

    Replies: @Clyde

    Exactly. The Muslims were always allied with the Nazis. Even today they are Nazis. They eat up Nazi literature, they hate Jews, they think they are the master race.

    You mean Muslims thinking themselves as the chosen people. Jewish chosenness is tiny compared to Muslim supremacism.

  56. Does anyone in real life actually ask, “Is it good for the Jews?”

    • Replies: @SILVER FISH
    @Anonymous

    In my experience people absolutely do say "but is it good for the Jews" and then soon after like matched cufflinks you do tend to get the Hitler quote "who nowadays remembers the Armenians"

    Replies: @Anonymous

  57. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    It’s simply because if you can discriminate against one particular group, you might also discriminate against other particular groups, and that might include Jews. Israel was only founded recently, and until it was Jews did not have a homeland and all Jews lived in various countries and moved not infrequently. Even today, more than half of all Jews live outside Israel. Discrimination is more dangerous and harmful in such a situation.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    It’s simply because if you can discriminate against one particular group, you might also discriminate against other particular groups, and that might include Jews.

    Or it might include people of European descent. Which is why all the White nations deserve sovereign homelands.

    Israel was only founded recently, and until it was Jews did not have a homeland and all Jews lived in various countries and moved not infrequently.

    Jews have many homelands: the United States, Canada, Mexico, Cuba, Venezuela, Colombia, Brazil, Argentina, Great Britain, France, Germany, Russia, Italy, etc. etc.

    Even today, more than half of all Jews live outside Israel. Discrimination is more dangerous and harmful in such a situation.

    You mean it is dangerous to exist as a "minority" in a country? So why are jews pushing to bring millions of foreigners into White countries which is making Whites minorities in their own homelands? So jews are putting people of European descent at risk in their own homes, essentially.

    , @Joe Walker
    @Anonymous

    So why haven't the Jews moved to Israel? You still find plenty of Jews in "anti-Semitic" countries like Russia, France and even Germany.

  58. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I skimmed through all 3 of the local papers here in Toronto at Starbucks this afternoon. (something I rarely do any more) All of them mention the Holocaust and the turning away of some immigrant Jewish ship in the 30’s….this was the great stain, and we could atone by taking more refugees today.

    Everyone seems to be on board with this view – across the political spectrum. It’s almost like a weird race to bid the refugee number higher.

    I’m not sure what the general public thinks, but the media is unanimous. Even the conservative columnists are dewy eyed. I find it strange.

    I think I’m spending too much time reading ‘alt-right’ blogs. I didn’t realize how out of sync I’m getting with the conventional opinion out there.

    • Replies: @Joe Walker
    @anonymous

    Would you care to hazard a guess as to why the media is unanimous? May it have something to do with who owns much of the media?

    , @thinkingabout it
    @anonymous

    This is fact. I'm a little surprised by the unanimity of the whole refugee thing. And the fact that they keep calling them "migrants" instead of refugees?

    I wonder if the American MSM is aiming at taking down Trump. But why would Europeans get sucked into that?

  59. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @SPMoore8
    @Anonymous

    Normally, I don't like to play this game but if a guy marries a woman for his second marriage at the age of 55 in an Episcopal ceremony it's really no different than getting married by a JP and has no relevance in determining ethnic or religious affiliations.

    The first lines from the wiki: "Kenneth Roth, a graduate of Yale Law School and Brown University, was drawn to human rights causes through his Jewish father's experience of fleeing Nazi Germany in 1938. His father would keep his three young sons quiet as he cut their hair by telling tales of their grandfather's butcher shop in Frankfurt, Germany. As they grew older, he told them about living under the Nazis as a young boy and fleeing Germany in July 1938."

    I'd call that "raised Jewish."

    He is also categorized as "American Jew" and "Jew of German Jewish descent"

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Normally, I don’t like to play this game but if a guy marries a woman for his second marriage at the age of 55 in an Episcopal ceremony it’s really no different than getting married by a JP and has no relevance in determining ethnic or religious affiliations.

    This is a good point, and it puts into perspective the claim that Jews are ‘dying out’ because of intermarriage with gentiles. It’s marriages that produce children that matter. The others have no long term significance.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous


    It’s marriages that produce children that matter. The others have no long term significance.
     
    You'd better stay anonymous. The Gaystapo will get you for this.

    Replies: @SPMoore8

  60. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    One thing people don’t realize is that if the arriving immigrants are the moderates in their own nations–the people just trying to get out of the way of the fighting, and they all leave–who’s going to be left? The real crazies, that’s who. And the crazies will have their hands on oil and (thanks to that idiot Obama) nukes. The Mideast was never a reasonable place, but it has the capacity to grow a lot worse.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anon

    The Mideast was never a reasonable place, but it has the capacity to grow a lot worse.

    The Middle East has been a very reasonable place overall. The only unreasonable aspect is the Zionist project to violently force a Jewish Supremacist state into a majority Muslim land. Pretty much every Muslim reaction (from nonviolent to violent) to Zionism, and to U.S. invasion and occupy in the support thereof, has been within the bounds of the reasonable.

    , @Joe Walker
    @Anon

    Don't worry. The immigrants, refugees or whatever you want to call them are usually not that moderate. They just end up spreading the craziness beyond the Middle East.

    , @Expletive Deleted
    @Anon

    "The Mideast was never a reasonable place, but it has the capacity to grow a lot worse."
    Mate of mine worked on the feasibility of glassifying nuclear waste for disposal (late '70s).
    I don't think this was the recommended method.
    Are we about to experience a global sand deficit?

  61. @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    Jews have had more success competing against European men though.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Joe Walker

    How so?

    • Replies: @anon
    @Joe Walker

    Close cousin marriage creates too dense a molecular matrix - no way in.

    Replies: @Joe Walker

  62. @Anonymous
    @Larry, San Francisco

    Even my mom a nice Jewish white lady who taught in ghetto schools for over 30 years while never losing her faith in FDR liberalism has started agreeing with me that allowing in more Muslims may not be good for the Jews.

    Does your mom ever use that phrase, "good for the Jews"?

    Replies: @Larry, San Francisco

    No she would never say that. She is more fearful than nationalist. The problem is she has been more fearful of unreal threats (i.e. conservative Christians) then actual threats (i.e. importing crazy people from the 3rd world). It is interesting my mother-in-law who is a conservative Christian New Englander has a portrait of Netanyahu (who my mom detests) and several Pro-Israel bumper stickers on her car. Perhaps that is why she always liked me as a son-in-law.

    • Replies: @Joe Walker
    @Larry, San Francisco

    There are few people crazier or more stupid than Christian Zionists.

  63. @Bert
    As a student Victor Orban risked his own life confronting tanks in Budapest and made a speech in Hero's Square which played a leading role in the downfall of communism. He has five children and unlike most European "Christians" he actually bothers to go to Mass regularly.

    He, frankly, is the closest thing to a hero that sad pathetic continent has.

    Replies: @Glossy, @celt darnell

    None of his speeches had any impact on the Kremlin’s decisions. And actually, the fall of the Soviet system was the thing that made the future flooding of Eastern Europe with third-worlders possible. It reminds me of Walesa being punished for anti-gay remarks. Serves him right. What did he think he fought for? That was always going to be a part of the package.

    • Replies: @Bert
    @Glossy

    So communism should have been maintained because it prevented any to coming into (or leaving) eastern Europe?

    Brilliant insight from the Sailer peanut gallery, as usual. No wonder white nationalists never get anywhere.

    Replies: @Anon, @Matra

  64. @MLK
    Okay. No barbed wire, trains, or magic markers. What else?

    Replies: @Big Bill, @Hunsdon, @silviosilver, @LemmusLemmus

    No Israeli-style mist coolers anywhere near Auschwitz.

    A hot dog vendor who set up his tourist snack cart (with misters to keep his customers cool) near Auschwitz got tagged for “insensitivity” about ten days ago.

    I think Jews would have been ok with misters if a Jew was selling the hot dogs (after all they sell misters all over Israel), but alas it was a gentile.

    I wonder, do the hotel rooms the Jewish kids stay in for the night at Auschwitz have showers in the bathrooms? The hotels might want to remove them.

    • Replies: @gruff
    @Big Bill

    And you're forbidden to pass gas.

    , @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever...
    @Big Bill

    "I wonder, do the hotel rooms the Jewish kids stay in for the night at Auschwitz have showers in the bathrooms? The hotels might want to remove them."
    And they were made to travel there by train! oy!

    , @International Jew
    @Big Bill

    Dude, there are no hotels on the grounds of Auschwitz (or the nearby Birkenau). They're both run as open-air museums and there's a closing time in the early evening.

    Next time you fly into Cracow, Poland, go have a look for yourself.

  65. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @zaqan
    There was never any Jewish conspiracy to bring hordes of hostile Nazi-Muslims to Europe and the US. That comes from the cultural marxism that developed out of Protestant views, which Jews in the US and Canada adopted as they rose up the social ladder. The Protestant elites already had this insane opinion, all this equality love and happiness crap isnt from Judaism, thats for sure. Note how absolutely zero of the Jewish descent individuals involved in cultural marxism are in any sense religious. They are all atheists, well, not quite. They believe in marxism.

    But the idea expounded by many altright readers that Jews are trying to destroy Europe is utterly ridiculous. Why would Jews bring about their own certain doom?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @anon, @Joe Walker, @gruff, @Massimo Heitor, @Mr. Anon

    But the idea expounded by many altright readers that Jews are trying to destroy Europe is utterly ridiculous. Why would Jews bring about their own certain doom?

    Beats me. Why would Protestant Europeans? According to you, they are, though.

    The difference is, once Europe is gone, there’s nowhere else for Europeans to go.

  66. @Joe Walker
    @Anonymous

    How so?

    Replies: @anon

    Close cousin marriage creates too dense a molecular matrix – no way in.

    • Replies: @Joe Walker
    @anon

    You didn't answer my question.

  67. @Borachio
    Leftist loudmouths who just happen to be Jewish are not representative of Jews in general.

    Most Jews who've thought about immigration probably agree with Steve, VDare, and so forth, but we don't control the megaphone.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Joe Walker, @neutral

    Please explain why most Jews voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012 if Jewish leftists are not representative of Jews in general?

  68. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    One thing people don't realize is that if the arriving immigrants are the moderates in their own nations--the people just trying to get out of the way of the fighting, and they all leave--who's going to be left? The real crazies, that's who. And the crazies will have their hands on oil and (thanks to that idiot Obama) nukes. The Mideast was never a reasonable place, but it has the capacity to grow a lot worse.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Joe Walker, @Expletive Deleted

    The Mideast was never a reasonable place, but it has the capacity to grow a lot worse.

    The Middle East has been a very reasonable place overall. The only unreasonable aspect is the Zionist project to violently force a Jewish Supremacist state into a majority Muslim land. Pretty much every Muslim reaction (from nonviolent to violent) to Zionism, and to U.S. invasion and occupy in the support thereof, has been within the bounds of the reasonable.

  69. @MLK
    Okay. No barbed wire, trains, or magic markers. What else?

    Replies: @Big Bill, @Hunsdon, @silviosilver, @LemmusLemmus

    Probably no Zyklon-B either.

  70. @zaqan
    There was never any Jewish conspiracy to bring hordes of hostile Nazi-Muslims to Europe and the US. That comes from the cultural marxism that developed out of Protestant views, which Jews in the US and Canada adopted as they rose up the social ladder. The Protestant elites already had this insane opinion, all this equality love and happiness crap isnt from Judaism, thats for sure. Note how absolutely zero of the Jewish descent individuals involved in cultural marxism are in any sense religious. They are all atheists, well, not quite. They believe in marxism.

    But the idea expounded by many altright readers that Jews are trying to destroy Europe is utterly ridiculous. Why would Jews bring about their own certain doom?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @anon, @Joe Walker, @gruff, @Massimo Heitor, @Mr. Anon

    So now it is the Protestants’ fault? Next week you will be blaming the Catholics and the week after that the Orthodox Christians.

  71. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I think people are over-analyzing all of this. Jews support open borders. Period. The question of who is moving across those borders is secondary.

    Jewish survival has often depended on being able to move quickly from country to country without obstruction. Jews accordingly oppose all border controls as a matter of principle.

    • Replies: @Joe Walker
    @Anonymous

    So Jews have no problems with gentiles moving to Israel?

    , @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    Jews support open borders. Period. The question of who is moving across those borders is secondary.

    Jewish survival has often depended on being able to move quickly from country to country without obstruction. Jews accordingly oppose all border controls as a matter of principle.

    I can't tell if you are trolling here. It isn't principle. If it were principle, jews wouldn't jealously restrict entry into Israel and other jewish "territories" (neighborhoods) across the world. Jews want access to the opportunities and resources of other identity groups while denying other groups access to their own opportunities and resources.

    But resources are only part of the picture. Fostering mass population movements breaks up and weakens other identity groups and in some cases dilutes their gene pool.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Jim
    @Anonymous

    Israel is noted for its lack of border controls.

  72. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    It's simply because if you can discriminate against one particular group, you might also discriminate against other particular groups, and that might include Jews. Israel was only founded recently, and until it was Jews did not have a homeland and all Jews lived in various countries and moved not infrequently. Even today, more than half of all Jews live outside Israel. Discrimination is more dangerous and harmful in such a situation.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Joe Walker

    It’s simply because if you can discriminate against one particular group, you might also discriminate against other particular groups, and that might include Jews.

    Or it might include people of European descent. Which is why all the White nations deserve sovereign homelands.

    Israel was only founded recently, and until it was Jews did not have a homeland and all Jews lived in various countries and moved not infrequently.

    Jews have many homelands: the United States, Canada, Mexico, Cuba, Venezuela, Colombia, Brazil, Argentina, Great Britain, France, Germany, Russia, Italy, etc. etc.

    Even today, more than half of all Jews live outside Israel. Discrimination is more dangerous and harmful in such a situation.

    You mean it is dangerous to exist as a “minority” in a country? So why are jews pushing to bring millions of foreigners into White countries which is making Whites minorities in their own homelands? So jews are putting people of European descent at risk in their own homes, essentially.

  73. “A disturbing new report being circulated in the Kremlin today by the Ministry of Defense (MoD) states that “significant elements” of the newly created Aerospace Defence Forces (VKO) and the 22nd Spetsnaz (Special Forces) Brigade are currently being deployed throughout the Islamic Republic of Iran and are working in conjunction with the Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution (IRGC) to “inspect and identify” items within the massive debris field that resulted from the 31 July shoot down of an alien spacecraft.”
    https://missiongalacticfreedom.wordpress.com/2015/09/01/alleged-alien-spacecraft-shot-down-in-iran-the-kickoff-of-the-september-2015-events/

    Iran is full of aliens and more are coming. They have a secret underwater base near Puerto Rico.

  74. @zaqan
    There was never any Jewish conspiracy to bring hordes of hostile Nazi-Muslims to Europe and the US. That comes from the cultural marxism that developed out of Protestant views, which Jews in the US and Canada adopted as they rose up the social ladder. The Protestant elites already had this insane opinion, all this equality love and happiness crap isnt from Judaism, thats for sure. Note how absolutely zero of the Jewish descent individuals involved in cultural marxism are in any sense religious. They are all atheists, well, not quite. They believe in marxism.

    But the idea expounded by many altright readers that Jews are trying to destroy Europe is utterly ridiculous. Why would Jews bring about their own certain doom?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @anon, @Joe Walker, @gruff, @Massimo Heitor, @Mr. Anon

    But the idea expounded by many altright readers that Jews are trying to destroy Europe is utterly ridiculous. Why would Jews bring about their own certain doom?

    Please review this old standby and answer your own question for me: what is Spectre thinking? Why does she want to destroy Europe?

  75. @Anonymous
    It's simply because if you can discriminate against one particular group, you might also discriminate against other particular groups, and that might include Jews. Israel was only founded recently, and until it was Jews did not have a homeland and all Jews lived in various countries and moved not infrequently. Even today, more than half of all Jews live outside Israel. Discrimination is more dangerous and harmful in such a situation.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Joe Walker

    So why haven’t the Jews moved to Israel? You still find plenty of Jews in “anti-Semitic” countries like Russia, France and even Germany.

  76. @anonymous
    I skimmed through all 3 of the local papers here in Toronto at Starbucks this afternoon. (something I rarely do any more) All of them mention the Holocaust and the turning away of some immigrant Jewish ship in the 30's….this was the great stain, and we could atone by taking more refugees today.

    Everyone seems to be on board with this view - across the political spectrum. It's almost like a weird race to bid the refugee number higher.

    I'm not sure what the general public thinks, but the media is unanimous. Even the conservative columnists are dewy eyed. I find it strange.

    I think I'm spending too much time reading 'alt-right' blogs. I didn't realize how out of sync I'm getting with the conventional opinion out there.

    Replies: @Joe Walker, @thinkingabout it

    Would you care to hazard a guess as to why the media is unanimous? May it have something to do with who owns much of the media?

  77. @Anon
    One thing people don't realize is that if the arriving immigrants are the moderates in their own nations--the people just trying to get out of the way of the fighting, and they all leave--who's going to be left? The real crazies, that's who. And the crazies will have their hands on oil and (thanks to that idiot Obama) nukes. The Mideast was never a reasonable place, but it has the capacity to grow a lot worse.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Joe Walker, @Expletive Deleted

    Don’t worry. The immigrants, refugees or whatever you want to call them are usually not that moderate. They just end up spreading the craziness beyond the Middle East.

  78. @Larry, San Francisco
    @Anonymous

    No she would never say that. She is more fearful than nationalist. The problem is she has been more fearful of unreal threats (i.e. conservative Christians) then actual threats (i.e. importing crazy people from the 3rd world). It is interesting my mother-in-law who is a conservative Christian New Englander has a portrait of Netanyahu (who my mom detests) and several Pro-Israel bumper stickers on her car. Perhaps that is why she always liked me as a son-in-law.

    Replies: @Joe Walker

    There are few people crazier or more stupid than Christian Zionists.

  79. @anon
    @Joe Walker

    Close cousin marriage creates too dense a molecular matrix - no way in.

    Replies: @Joe Walker

    You didn’t answer my question.

  80. @Dennis Dale
    How did they forget to mention Eliot's association with Ezra Pound and isn't it time to dig up his corpse and put him back in that cage?

    Replies: @gruff

    Pound also brought the structure of money into question and that’s a spectre not many in power want to see raised.

  81. @Anonymous
    I think people are over-analyzing all of this. Jews support open borders. Period. The question of who is moving across those borders is secondary.

    Jewish survival has often depended on being able to move quickly from country to country without obstruction. Jews accordingly oppose all border controls as a matter of principle.

    Replies: @Joe Walker, @Anonymous, @Jim

    So Jews have no problems with gentiles moving to Israel?

  82. @International Jew
    @Reg Cæsar

    Much more. Those Jews the Times found, to get quotes from, you can bet they're no random sample. I know Jews in Western Europe, successful, wealthy, and socially liberal to a fault, but they all know the score now, when it comes to Muslim immigrants.

    Like it or not, it's not Jews but good 'ol actual Germans, Swedes, Brits etc who have gone suicidal.

    As for American Jews, those of us who have kids now in college are getting an object lesson in the effects of a generation of mass migration from the Muslim world (and India too): where in our day, anti-Israel campus politics was a relatively tame affair headed by American leftists, today, under more, ahem, diverse leadership it's risen to a whole new level of vicious.

    Replies: @gruff

    O.K. then start getting your people to support our people instead of always only working to get our people to support your people. Quid pro quo.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @gruff

    Who says he doesn't? You'd just never hear about it on this board.

    I gleefully advocate immigration restriction to anyone who will listen IRL, though I'm far from the halls of power.

    Replies: @International Jew

  83. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    I think people are over-analyzing all of this. Jews support open borders. Period. The question of who is moving across those borders is secondary.

    Jewish survival has often depended on being able to move quickly from country to country without obstruction. Jews accordingly oppose all border controls as a matter of principle.

    Replies: @Joe Walker, @Anonymous, @Jim

    Jews support open borders. Period. The question of who is moving across those borders is secondary.

    Jewish survival has often depended on being able to move quickly from country to country without obstruction. Jews accordingly oppose all border controls as a matter of principle.

    I can’t tell if you are trolling here. It isn’t principle. If it were principle, jews wouldn’t jealously restrict entry into Israel and other jewish “territories” (neighborhoods) across the world. Jews want access to the opportunities and resources of other identity groups while denying other groups access to their own opportunities and resources.

    But resources are only part of the picture. Fostering mass population movements breaks up and weakens other identity groups and in some cases dilutes their gene pool.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    This is about Europe not Israel. The question is why Jews support mass Muslim immigration to Europe. The answer is that they don't - it's open borders that they support. There's no mystery to unravel: today it's mass-movements of Muslims, tomorrow it might be mass-movements of Jews. Neither must be obstructed.

    Individual Jews getting beaten up on the streets of Paris are a minor concern by comparison.

  84. @Big Bill
    @MLK

    No Israeli-style mist coolers anywhere near Auschwitz.

    A hot dog vendor who set up his tourist snack cart (with misters to keep his customers cool) near Auschwitz got tagged for "insensitivity" about ten days ago.

    I think Jews would have been ok with misters if a Jew was selling the hot dogs (after all they sell misters all over Israel), but alas it was a gentile.

    I wonder, do the hotel rooms the Jewish kids stay in for the night at Auschwitz have showers in the bathrooms? The hotels might want to remove them.

    Replies: @gruff, @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever..., @International Jew

    And you’re forbidden to pass gas.

  85. @anonymous
    I skimmed through all 3 of the local papers here in Toronto at Starbucks this afternoon. (something I rarely do any more) All of them mention the Holocaust and the turning away of some immigrant Jewish ship in the 30's….this was the great stain, and we could atone by taking more refugees today.

    Everyone seems to be on board with this view - across the political spectrum. It's almost like a weird race to bid the refugee number higher.

    I'm not sure what the general public thinks, but the media is unanimous. Even the conservative columnists are dewy eyed. I find it strange.

    I think I'm spending too much time reading 'alt-right' blogs. I didn't realize how out of sync I'm getting with the conventional opinion out there.

    Replies: @Joe Walker, @thinkingabout it

    This is fact. I’m a little surprised by the unanimity of the whole refugee thing. And the fact that they keep calling them “migrants” instead of refugees?

    I wonder if the American MSM is aiming at taking down Trump. But why would Europeans get sucked into that?

  86. Jews control the present? They can’t even stop the Islamic Republic from building a nuclear arsenal to murder them.

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    @wonderbread

    That's what they want you to think.

  87. @Anonymous
    @zaqan

    But the idea expounded by many altright readers that Jews are trying to destroy Europe is utterly ridiculous. Why would Jews bring about their own certain doom?

    They want to destroy Europe because they are insanely jealous of European talent and accomplishment or see Europeans as an existential threat. Because of the attraction jews (male and female) feel to Europeans, Judaism cannot survive/coexist in the same space with Europeans without segregation. Zionism, for example, was a reaction against desegregation. It was driven primarily by Judaism's prejudice against intermarriage.

    Replies: @SFG

    Depends what you mean by ‘survive’; intermarriage rates in the USA are close to 1/2, and the community’s pretty steady in numbers.

    Zionism was a reaction against antisemitism; Herzl was inspired by the Dreyfus Affair. There’s a reason you can’t get American Jews to go to Israel in large numbers.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @SFG

    Depends what you mean by ‘survive’; intermarriage rates in the USA are close to 1/2, and the community’s pretty steady in numbers.

    Due largely to a huge and ongoing investment in physical and psychological segregation. Your data, even to the extent they are accurate, are consistent with my argument.

    Zionism was a reaction against antisemitism; Herzl was inspired by the Dreyfus Affair. There’s a reason you can’t get American Jews to go to Israel in large numbers.

    Zionism was--at least--a reaction against intermarriage. Read Jabotinsky's private correspondence. Herzl and other leading Zionists lived very, very well in Europe. The antisemitism rhetoric, "Dreyfus Affair," etc. was mostly window dressing and rationalization. It is a better sell than ugly ethnocentrism and ethnonationalism. Just like it is today.

  88. And the fact that they keep calling them “migrants” instead of refugees?

    That was weirdly synchronized as well – almost overnight all the media / politicos were saying it.

  89. Hungary was brutally ruled by the Ottomans for hundreds of years. Orbans non enthusiasm for a return enslavement is understandable.

  90. @Anonymous
    @SPMoore8


    Normally, I don’t like to play this game but if a guy marries a woman for his second marriage at the age of 55 in an Episcopal ceremony it’s really no different than getting married by a JP and has no relevance in determining ethnic or religious affiliations.
     
    This is a good point, and it puts into perspective the claim that Jews are 'dying out' because of intermarriage with gentiles. It's marriages that produce children that matter. The others have no long term significance.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    It’s marriages that produce children that matter. The others have no long term significance.

    You’d better stay anonymous. The Gaystapo will get you for this.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    @Reg Cæsar

    Yes, we are going to need a museum and a monument to gays in DC, and on the monument will be inscribed the names of of every participant in an LGBT marriage, because #lovewins and #gaylivesmatter.

    The narcissism of soi disant oppressed minorities these days is something to behold.

  91. @gruff
    @International Jew

    O.K. then start getting your people to support our people instead of always only working to get our people to support your people. Quid pro quo.

    Replies: @SFG

    Who says he doesn’t? You’d just never hear about it on this board.

    I gleefully advocate immigration restriction to anyone who will listen IRL, though I’m far from the halls of power.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @SFG

    Let's give gruff the benefit of the doubt and interpret his words as, "Let International Jew work on convincing other Jews to advocate their Christian neighbors' interests." And to that I can assure you that I do that all the time.

    Replies: @gruff, @Mr. Anon

  92. @Bettega
    For Secular Jewish intellectuals, getting Orthodox Jews harassed in the streets and killed in kosher stores is a feature, not a bug.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @cwhatfuture

    This is an insane comment.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @cwhatfuture

    Perhaps, but it's hilarious nonetheless. Or maybe it was your spit-take reaction that caused me to laugh.

    What kind of name is Bettega, anyway? I haven't seen it here before.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @cwhatfuture

    No, it is not an insane comment. You may not like it. It may not be true. But it is not insane. Is it not possible that some Jews would like there to be some chronic visible manisfestation of anti-semitism, such as orthodox Jews being harrassed, just to maintain their bragging rights as the World's all-time most victimized group? Imagine this thought experiment: what would Al Sharpton and the BLM set do if, all of a sudden, no blacks were shot by cops anymore? I think it is by now safe to say that the last thing some Jews want is an end to is anti-semitism.

  93. @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous


    It’s marriages that produce children that matter. The others have no long term significance.
     
    You'd better stay anonymous. The Gaystapo will get you for this.

    Replies: @SPMoore8

    Yes, we are going to need a museum and a monument to gays in DC, and on the monument will be inscribed the names of of every participant in an LGBT marriage, because #lovewins and #gaylivesmatter.

    The narcissism of soi disant oppressed minorities these days is something to behold.

  94. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @SFG
    @Anonymous

    Depends what you mean by 'survive'; intermarriage rates in the USA are close to 1/2, and the community's pretty steady in numbers.

    Zionism was a reaction against antisemitism; Herzl was inspired by the Dreyfus Affair. There's a reason you can't get American Jews to go to Israel in large numbers.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Depends what you mean by ‘survive’; intermarriage rates in the USA are close to 1/2, and the community’s pretty steady in numbers.

    Due largely to a huge and ongoing investment in physical and psychological segregation. Your data, even to the extent they are accurate, are consistent with my argument.

    Zionism was a reaction against antisemitism; Herzl was inspired by the Dreyfus Affair. There’s a reason you can’t get American Jews to go to Israel in large numbers.

    Zionism was–at least–a reaction against intermarriage. Read Jabotinsky’s private correspondence. Herzl and other leading Zionists lived very, very well in Europe. The antisemitism rhetoric, “Dreyfus Affair,” etc. was mostly window dressing and rationalization. It is a better sell than ugly ethnocentrism and ethnonationalism. Just like it is today.

  95. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    Jews support open borders. Period. The question of who is moving across those borders is secondary.

    Jewish survival has often depended on being able to move quickly from country to country without obstruction. Jews accordingly oppose all border controls as a matter of principle.

    I can't tell if you are trolling here. It isn't principle. If it were principle, jews wouldn't jealously restrict entry into Israel and other jewish "territories" (neighborhoods) across the world. Jews want access to the opportunities and resources of other identity groups while denying other groups access to their own opportunities and resources.

    But resources are only part of the picture. Fostering mass population movements breaks up and weakens other identity groups and in some cases dilutes their gene pool.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    This is about Europe not Israel. The question is why Jews support mass Muslim immigration to Europe. The answer is that they don’t – it’s open borders that they support. There’s no mystery to unravel: today it’s mass-movements of Muslims, tomorrow it might be mass-movements of Jews. Neither must be obstructed.

    Individual Jews getting beaten up on the streets of Paris are a minor concern by comparison.

  96. @Big Bill
    @MLK

    No Israeli-style mist coolers anywhere near Auschwitz.

    A hot dog vendor who set up his tourist snack cart (with misters to keep his customers cool) near Auschwitz got tagged for "insensitivity" about ten days ago.

    I think Jews would have been ok with misters if a Jew was selling the hot dogs (after all they sell misters all over Israel), but alas it was a gentile.

    I wonder, do the hotel rooms the Jewish kids stay in for the night at Auschwitz have showers in the bathrooms? The hotels might want to remove them.

    Replies: @gruff, @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever..., @International Jew

    “I wonder, do the hotel rooms the Jewish kids stay in for the night at Auschwitz have showers in the bathrooms? The hotels might want to remove them.”
    And they were made to travel there by train! oy!

  97. @cwhatfuture
    @Bettega

    This is an insane comment.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Mr. Anon

    Perhaps, but it’s hilarious nonetheless. Or maybe it was your spit-take reaction that caused me to laugh.

    What kind of name is Bettega, anyway? I haven’t seen it here before.

  98. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @wonderbread
    Jews control the present? They can't even stop the Islamic Republic from building a nuclear arsenal to murder them.

    Replies: @The most deplorable one

    That’s what they want you to think.

  99. To all Star Trek fans out there, am I the only one who feels like a rebel drone within the Borg Collective. We seem to be very few in number and spread out thinly across the Anglosphere. If you mention a city or state, there is almost always one of us who lives there – only one. Are my wife and I the only ones of our kind in Central Otago?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @22pp22

    I'm in Marlborough

    Replies: @Deduction, @22pp22

  100. @SFG
    @gruff

    Who says he doesn't? You'd just never hear about it on this board.

    I gleefully advocate immigration restriction to anyone who will listen IRL, though I'm far from the halls of power.

    Replies: @International Jew

    Let’s give gruff the benefit of the doubt and interpret his words as, “Let International Jew work on convincing other Jews to advocate their Christian neighbors’ interests.” And to that I can assure you that I do that all the time.

    • Replies: @gruff
    @International Jew

    Thank you, I appreciate your efforts.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @International Jew

    "Let’s give gruff the benefit of the doubt and interpret his words as, “Let International Jew work on convincing other Jews to advocate their Christian neighbors’ interests.” And to that I can assure you that I do that all the time."

    I'm glad to hear that. Does it work? Have you been able to change their opinions at all, or at least get them to think about how gentiles might feel about being progressively disenfranchised in our own countries?

    Replies: @International Jew

  101. @Big Bill
    @MLK

    No Israeli-style mist coolers anywhere near Auschwitz.

    A hot dog vendor who set up his tourist snack cart (with misters to keep his customers cool) near Auschwitz got tagged for "insensitivity" about ten days ago.

    I think Jews would have been ok with misters if a Jew was selling the hot dogs (after all they sell misters all over Israel), but alas it was a gentile.

    I wonder, do the hotel rooms the Jewish kids stay in for the night at Auschwitz have showers in the bathrooms? The hotels might want to remove them.

    Replies: @gruff, @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever..., @International Jew

    Dude, there are no hotels on the grounds of Auschwitz (or the nearby Birkenau). They’re both run as open-air museums and there’s a closing time in the early evening.

    Next time you fly into Cracow, Poland, go have a look for yourself.

  102. Steve, the comparison to 1933 works out a lot less favourably for the current refugees than you think.

    In 1933 12 million Jews had nowhere to go. No country, at all. This was the final logic for Israel, which for all criticisms, has always accepted all Jewish refugees with open arms.

    In 2015 1.5 billion Muslims have 55 countries, yet somehow Germany is their destination!

    The poor drowned boy was not fleeing Syria in a boat. He was departing Turkey. He had refuge, but was going to Greece to get to Germany. For him to be a refugee he would have to be one from Turkey!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Deduction

    This was the final logic for Israel, which for all criticisms, has always accepted all Jewish refugees with open arms.

    Not exactly with regard to black jews from Ethiopia and even the United States.

    Replies: @Deduction

    , @Anonymous
    @Deduction

    The poor drowned boy was not fleeing Syria in a boat. He was departing Turkey. He had refuge, but was going to Greece to get to Germany. For him to be a refugee he would have to be one from Turkey!

    Moreover, hadn't his family lived in Turkey for three years already?

  103. @Deduction
    Steve, the comparison to 1933 works out a lot less favourably for the current refugees than you think.

    In 1933 12 million Jews had nowhere to go. No country, at all. This was the final logic for Israel, which for all criticisms, has always accepted all Jewish refugees with open arms.

    In 2015 1.5 billion Muslims have 55 countries, yet somehow Germany is their destination!

    The poor drowned boy was not fleeing Syria in a boat. He was departing Turkey. He had refuge, but was going to Greece to get to Germany. For him to be a refugee he would have to be one from Turkey!

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    This was the final logic for Israel, which for all criticisms, has always accepted all Jewish refugees with open arms.

    Not exactly with regard to black jews from Ethiopia and even the United States.

    • Replies: @Deduction
    @Anonymous


    Not exactly with regard to black jews from Ethiopia and even the United States.
     
    I don't really know the details but there are some pretty crazy black Americans who have designated themselves as Jews.

    Even the SPLC didn't mind criticising them for their anti-white beliefs.

    "believe that Jews are devilish impostors and ... openly condemn whites as evil personified, deserving only death or slavery"

    I don't blame Israel for not taking in every random nutter who decides that he's a real Jew and those in Israel are impostors...then again I'm not sure why the nutter would want to go to Israel to live among the impostors...

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Godwin Daily

  104. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Deduction
    Steve, the comparison to 1933 works out a lot less favourably for the current refugees than you think.

    In 1933 12 million Jews had nowhere to go. No country, at all. This was the final logic for Israel, which for all criticisms, has always accepted all Jewish refugees with open arms.

    In 2015 1.5 billion Muslims have 55 countries, yet somehow Germany is their destination!

    The poor drowned boy was not fleeing Syria in a boat. He was departing Turkey. He had refuge, but was going to Greece to get to Germany. For him to be a refugee he would have to be one from Turkey!

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    The poor drowned boy was not fleeing Syria in a boat. He was departing Turkey. He had refuge, but was going to Greece to get to Germany. For him to be a refugee he would have to be one from Turkey!

    Moreover, hadn’t his family lived in Turkey for three years already?

  105. This is the influence of literature over experience:

    APRIL is the cruellest month, breeding
    Lilacs out of the dead land, mixing
    Memory and desire, stirring
    Dull roots with spring rain.
    Winter kept us warm, covering 5
    Earth in forgetful snow, feeding
    A little life with dried tubers.
    Summer surprised us, coming over the Starnbergersee
    With a shower of rain; we stopped in the colonnade,
    And went on in sunlight, into the Hofgarten, 10
    And drank coffee, and talked for an hour.

    Oh, come off it, Tom, you’re from St. Louis. You know August is the cruellest month.

  106. They’ve won. Europe is screwed. At least give yourself the pleasure of making one of them cry. Don’t be a gentleman. They don’t deserve it.

    Europe will rise again. This is maybe on some ways a turning point, but there is another turning point coming, when Europeans expel the vermin from their streets. Yes, by all means make the bastards cry, but don’t do it in despair. Do it in realization that you will need to steel yourself for the defense of your country.

  107. @Anonymous
    @Deduction

    This was the final logic for Israel, which for all criticisms, has always accepted all Jewish refugees with open arms.

    Not exactly with regard to black jews from Ethiopia and even the United States.

    Replies: @Deduction

    Not exactly with regard to black jews from Ethiopia and even the United States.

    I don’t really know the details but there are some pretty crazy black Americans who have designated themselves as Jews.

    Even the SPLC didn’t mind criticising them for their anti-white beliefs.

    “believe that Jews are devilish impostors and … openly condemn whites as evil personified, deserving only death or slavery”

    I don’t blame Israel for not taking in every random nutter who decides that he’s a real Jew and those in Israel are impostors…then again I’m not sure why the nutter would want to go to Israel to live among the impostors…

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Deduction

    I don’t really know the details but there are some pretty crazy black Americans who have designated themselves as Jews.

    Even the SPLC didn’t mind criticising them for their anti-white beliefs.


    The SPLC is guided by one principle only: Is it good for the Ashkenazi Jews?

    “believe that Jews are devilish impostors and … openly condemn whites as evil personified, deserving only death or slavery”

    Those aren't the Black Hebrews I am talking about.

    I don’t blame Israel for not taking in every random nutter who decides that he’s a real Jew and those in Israel are impostors…then again I’m not sure why the nutter would want to go to Israel to live among the impostors…

    So Israel decides who is a Jew and who isn't, eh?

    And of course, you've completely elided the point about discrimination against Falashas and other Ethiopians.

    Replies: @Deduction

    , @Godwin Daily
    @Deduction

    The soi-disant black Hebrews the $PLC brands as nogoodniks aren't likely to be found anywhere near the SW Asian boundaries of a certain fenced-in ethno-state -- instead try Philly, Baltimore, Newark, etc. It's just one of the dozens of eccentric neo-trans-Garveyite cult/gang outfits of dubious ideological rigor, i.e. sincerity which coincide with dense populations of northern blacks, native or otherwise, and you can readily hear this particular venture's spiel outlined in oh so many Youtube videos. Because everyone else, including other blacks, thinks they're crazy and can demonstrate the point by interviewing them.

  108. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Deduction
    @Anonymous


    Not exactly with regard to black jews from Ethiopia and even the United States.
     
    I don't really know the details but there are some pretty crazy black Americans who have designated themselves as Jews.

    Even the SPLC didn't mind criticising them for their anti-white beliefs.

    "believe that Jews are devilish impostors and ... openly condemn whites as evil personified, deserving only death or slavery"

    I don't blame Israel for not taking in every random nutter who decides that he's a real Jew and those in Israel are impostors...then again I'm not sure why the nutter would want to go to Israel to live among the impostors...

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Godwin Daily

    I don’t really know the details but there are some pretty crazy black Americans who have designated themselves as Jews.

    Even the SPLC didn’t mind criticising them for their anti-white beliefs.

    The SPLC is guided by one principle only: Is it good for the Ashkenazi Jews?

    “believe that Jews are devilish impostors and … openly condemn whites as evil personified, deserving only death or slavery”

    Those aren’t the Black Hebrews I am talking about.

    I don’t blame Israel for not taking in every random nutter who decides that he’s a real Jew and those in Israel are impostors…then again I’m not sure why the nutter would want to go to Israel to live among the impostors…

    So Israel decides who is a Jew and who isn’t, eh?

    And of course, you’ve completely elided the point about discrimination against Falashas and other Ethiopians.

    • Replies: @Deduction
    @Anonymous


    And of course, you’ve completely elided the point about discrimination against Falashas and other Ethiopians.
     
    I said I didn't know much about it...some sort of airlift happened before I was born or something.

    So Israel decides who is a Jew and who isn’t, eh?
     
    Well if somebody has to make a decision about who Israel considers a Jew then it makes a lot of sense for the Israeli government to do it.

    Are you offering your services?

  109. @MLK
    Okay. No barbed wire, trains, or magic markers. What else?

    Replies: @Big Bill, @Hunsdon, @silviosilver, @LemmusLemmus

    Okay. No barbed wire, trains, or magic markers. What else?

    Maybe they’re subtly hinting that Europeans should just do as Israelis did to the Palestinians: forget the cattle carts and armbands, just cut to the chase and drive them out wholesale.

  110. @Reg Cæsar
    @Godwin Daily


    Once the Jerry Lewis concentration-camp movie gets released…
     
    Is he still alive? Does anyone care?

    And didn't Roberto Benigni beat him to the "Jerry Lewis concentration camp movie"?

    Replies: @Godwin Daily

    The (probably unreleaseable) Jerry Lewis film w/ the Holocaust setting is reputed to be tonally and substantively divergent from Benigni’s liberal-sensitive movie (which, oddly enough, no one today watches or talks about, other than to mock his Oscars behavior). The problem in the former case seems to be more that it’s just a tacky flick rather than specially taboo-violating in some way.

    Documentaries aside, I am aware of no financially successful cinematic or literary work taking the Nazi internment/genocide regime as its main subject that was immune to withering accusations of dastardly anti-Jewish sentiment by someone. That includes Schindler’s List, Maus, The Pianist, Apt Pupil* (*n.b. a Stephen King short story reinterpreted by Bryan “Cabana Boy” Singer), Everything Is Illuminated, Sophie’s Choice, even the pedestrian NBC miniseries about the Warsaw ghetto uprising; I would not be surprised if Judgment At Nuremberg had its incensed critics at the time.

    Like the JFK assassination, the 1960s civil rights movement, or any depictions of Jerusalem-area public executions ca. 2000 years ago, it seems impossible to handle this subject in a conventionally acceptable way, or at least without the cranks flocking to it. I remember in the mid 90s believing that, as older generations passed away, these historical episodes (perhaps not the 33 A.D. one) would lose their grip on the public imagination and come to be seen from a more equanimous perspective. That has not happened (if anything we’re going in the opposite direction). Witness Natalie Portman reaping the whirlwind recently for, not unreasonably if yet somewhat clumsily, questioning if the WWII Jewish genocide deserved any pride-of-place over more recent, apparently ho-hum genocides in sub-Saharan locales. I don’t even think the “genocide” benchmark is what’s fueling it. These historical-fiction strands whether they’re from Nazis or slave auctions or lone gunmen clearly still serve some purpose, remaining useful to someone.

  111. @Anonymous
    @iSteveFan

    Trump said the US should take in some Syrian refugees on Morning Joe a few days ago:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19rjRgA8caE

    Replies: @Jason Roberts

    If there are any hotties among the refugees, yes, let’s take them in.

    • Replies: @antipater_1
    @Jason Roberts

    There are no "hotties" among the migrants. They would be raped to death early on in the process.

  112. @Deduction
    @Anonymous


    Not exactly with regard to black jews from Ethiopia and even the United States.
     
    I don't really know the details but there are some pretty crazy black Americans who have designated themselves as Jews.

    Even the SPLC didn't mind criticising them for their anti-white beliefs.

    "believe that Jews are devilish impostors and ... openly condemn whites as evil personified, deserving only death or slavery"

    I don't blame Israel for not taking in every random nutter who decides that he's a real Jew and those in Israel are impostors...then again I'm not sure why the nutter would want to go to Israel to live among the impostors...

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Godwin Daily

    The soi-disant black Hebrews the $PLC brands as nogoodniks aren’t likely to be found anywhere near the SW Asian boundaries of a certain fenced-in ethno-state — instead try Philly, Baltimore, Newark, etc. It’s just one of the dozens of eccentric neo-trans-Garveyite cult/gang outfits of dubious ideological rigor, i.e. sincerity which coincide with dense populations of northern blacks, native or otherwise, and you can readily hear this particular venture’s spiel outlined in oh so many Youtube videos. Because everyone else, including other blacks, thinks they’re crazy and can demonstrate the point by interviewing them.

  113. @Glossy
    @Bert

    None of his speeches had any impact on the Kremlin's decisions. And actually, the fall of the Soviet system was the thing that made the future flooding of Eastern Europe with third-worlders possible. It reminds me of Walesa being punished for anti-gay remarks. Serves him right. What did he think he fought for? That was always going to be a part of the package.

    Replies: @Bert

    So communism should have been maintained because it prevented any to coming into (or leaving) eastern Europe?

    Brilliant insight from the Sailer peanut gallery, as usual. No wonder white nationalists never get anywhere.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Bert

    Communism not only kept out refuges, it also helped contribute to keep the Roma out of Western Europe.

    Furthermore, for all its ills, people in Eastern Europe were guaranteed jobs and social welfare benefits, despite their very real poverty. It was important for bourgeois Elite in Western Europe to demonstrate that capitalism was better then its competitor. Therefore, it was in their interest to promote political liberties, high standards of living and wages, and social protections. Now, that the competition is gone, Western European elites have less pressure provide this.

    Note that I am NOT romanticizing the Stalinist dictatorships of Eastern Europe, nor suggesting that everything was rosy in the West for average workers. But, there is nothing peanut gallery-like in arguing that the Stalinist dictatorships in the east helped buttress the ethnically homogeneous Western European states and their welfare state model.

    Basically, I think the model of the nation state that Sailer and others are pushing was only really workable in Europe becaus of the Stalinist dictatorships. Once the Wall fell, the only thing on offer became neoliberal capitalism. Note that the latter does not dispense with nation-states, indeed, we're seeing a resurgence of imperialism in German political and academic circles. But, it certainly imports a lot of workers and uses them to drive wages down, and pit workers of different nationalities against each other.

    On this site, we are saying white people who are desperate to preserve falling living standards, and also to preserve their culture, struggling against neo-liberal globalism. Yes, the economic nationalism they promote leads to heightened tensions between states, it's a bit like the interwar period in the last century. Reformism seemed a workable way to solve capitalism's problems for a long time, but now, it appears that the solutions lie either on the right, or on the left. Real right, and real economic left. These are our options. Radical global economic change is the only way out. Not building an increasingly less utopian whitopia in Europe.

    , @Matra
    @Bert

    Glossy appears to be a Russian Jew. WNists are often their own worst enemies but they can't be blamed for Glossy's Russian imperialism.

  114. @MLK
    Okay. No barbed wire, trains, or magic markers. What else?

    Replies: @Big Bill, @Hunsdon, @silviosilver, @LemmusLemmus

    No showers. That one’s obvious. Will create some health issues, but never mind. Speaking of which: No doctors, because Mengele.

  115. @Anon
    One thing people don't realize is that if the arriving immigrants are the moderates in their own nations--the people just trying to get out of the way of the fighting, and they all leave--who's going to be left? The real crazies, that's who. And the crazies will have their hands on oil and (thanks to that idiot Obama) nukes. The Mideast was never a reasonable place, but it has the capacity to grow a lot worse.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Joe Walker, @Expletive Deleted

    “The Mideast was never a reasonable place, but it has the capacity to grow a lot worse.”
    Mate of mine worked on the feasibility of glassifying nuclear waste for disposal (late ’70s).
    I don’t think this was the recommended method.
    Are we about to experience a global sand deficit?

  116. @Borachio
    Leftist loudmouths who just happen to be Jewish are not representative of Jews in general.

    Most Jews who've thought about immigration probably agree with Steve, VDare, and so forth, but we don't control the megaphone.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Joe Walker, @neutral

    Completely false, if you observe the voting habits of jews in the USA and all of Europe, they all overwhelmingly indicate that they lean left and hard left.

  117. @Anonymous
    @Deduction

    I don’t really know the details but there are some pretty crazy black Americans who have designated themselves as Jews.

    Even the SPLC didn’t mind criticising them for their anti-white beliefs.


    The SPLC is guided by one principle only: Is it good for the Ashkenazi Jews?

    “believe that Jews are devilish impostors and … openly condemn whites as evil personified, deserving only death or slavery”

    Those aren't the Black Hebrews I am talking about.

    I don’t blame Israel for not taking in every random nutter who decides that he’s a real Jew and those in Israel are impostors…then again I’m not sure why the nutter would want to go to Israel to live among the impostors…

    So Israel decides who is a Jew and who isn't, eh?

    And of course, you've completely elided the point about discrimination against Falashas and other Ethiopians.

    Replies: @Deduction

    And of course, you’ve completely elided the point about discrimination against Falashas and other Ethiopians.

    I said I didn’t know much about it…some sort of airlift happened before I was born or something.

    So Israel decides who is a Jew and who isn’t, eh?

    Well if somebody has to make a decision about who Israel considers a Jew then it makes a lot of sense for the Israeli government to do it.

    Are you offering your services?

  118. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Bert
    @Glossy

    So communism should have been maintained because it prevented any to coming into (or leaving) eastern Europe?

    Brilliant insight from the Sailer peanut gallery, as usual. No wonder white nationalists never get anywhere.

    Replies: @Anon, @Matra

    Communism not only kept out refuges, it also helped contribute to keep the Roma out of Western Europe.

    Furthermore, for all its ills, people in Eastern Europe were guaranteed jobs and social welfare benefits, despite their very real poverty. It was important for bourgeois Elite in Western Europe to demonstrate that capitalism was better then its competitor. Therefore, it was in their interest to promote political liberties, high standards of living and wages, and social protections. Now, that the competition is gone, Western European elites have less pressure provide this.

    Note that I am NOT romanticizing the Stalinist dictatorships of Eastern Europe, nor suggesting that everything was rosy in the West for average workers. But, there is nothing peanut gallery-like in arguing that the Stalinist dictatorships in the east helped buttress the ethnically homogeneous Western European states and their welfare state model.

    Basically, I think the model of the nation state that Sailer and others are pushing was only really workable in Europe becaus of the Stalinist dictatorships. Once the Wall fell, the only thing on offer became neoliberal capitalism. Note that the latter does not dispense with nation-states, indeed, we’re seeing a resurgence of imperialism in German political and academic circles. But, it certainly imports a lot of workers and uses them to drive wages down, and pit workers of different nationalities against each other.

    On this site, we are saying white people who are desperate to preserve falling living standards, and also to preserve their culture, struggling against neo-liberal globalism. Yes, the economic nationalism they promote leads to heightened tensions between states, it’s a bit like the interwar period in the last century. Reformism seemed a workable way to solve capitalism’s problems for a long time, but now, it appears that the solutions lie either on the right, or on the left. Real right, and real economic left. These are our options. Radical global economic change is the only way out. Not building an increasingly less utopian whitopia in Europe.

  119. @22pp22
    To all Star Trek fans out there, am I the only one who feels like a rebel drone within the Borg Collective. We seem to be very few in number and spread out thinly across the Anglosphere. If you mention a city or state, there is almost always one of us who lives there - only one. Are my wife and I the only ones of our kind in Central Otago?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I’m in Marlborough

    • Replies: @Deduction
    @Anonymous

    London

    , @22pp22
    @Anonymous

    That means there are about seven of us in NZ. Depressing.

  120. @International Jew
    @SFG

    Let's give gruff the benefit of the doubt and interpret his words as, "Let International Jew work on convincing other Jews to advocate their Christian neighbors' interests." And to that I can assure you that I do that all the time.

    Replies: @gruff, @Mr. Anon

    Thank you, I appreciate your efforts.

  121. @zaqan
    There was never any Jewish conspiracy to bring hordes of hostile Nazi-Muslims to Europe and the US. That comes from the cultural marxism that developed out of Protestant views, which Jews in the US and Canada adopted as they rose up the social ladder. The Protestant elites already had this insane opinion, all this equality love and happiness crap isnt from Judaism, thats for sure. Note how absolutely zero of the Jewish descent individuals involved in cultural marxism are in any sense religious. They are all atheists, well, not quite. They believe in marxism.

    But the idea expounded by many altright readers that Jews are trying to destroy Europe is utterly ridiculous. Why would Jews bring about their own certain doom?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @anon, @Joe Walker, @gruff, @Massimo Heitor, @Mr. Anon

    But the idea expounded by many altright readers that Jews are trying to destroy Europe is utterly ridiculous. Why would Jews bring about their own certain doom?

    Jews have had an outsized influence in the leftist white guilt movement. Some Jews defended Israel and Jewish ethnic sovereignty while demonizing similar white countries. The white leaders who crusaded against South African white sovereignty were largely Jewish.

    But beyond that, you are right. Netanyahu and his ilk have zero animosity towards whites and West Europe. And while his job is to defend Israel, I suspect he’s very sympathetic with white Europe. Many regular Jews are equally horrified by what is happening. Jews are prominent among immigration critics like Ilana Mercer and Ben Shapiro. Recent far right icons like Barry Goldwater and Milton Friedman were super Jewish.

  122. Letting more moslems is not good for the Jews or anyone else.

  123. @Jason Roberts
    @Anonymous

    If there are any hotties among the refugees, yes, let's take them in.

    Replies: @antipater_1

    There are no “hotties” among the migrants. They would be raped to death early on in the process.

  124. Divide et impera. In a Europe with large and fractious Muslim minorities, who’s going to worry about the Jews? And you get the added bonus that Joe, Pierre or Hans Public is less likely to feel sympathy when bad things happen to Muslims in Palestine.

  125. @Bert
    @Glossy

    So communism should have been maintained because it prevented any to coming into (or leaving) eastern Europe?

    Brilliant insight from the Sailer peanut gallery, as usual. No wonder white nationalists never get anywhere.

    Replies: @Anon, @Matra

    Glossy appears to be a Russian Jew. WNists are often their own worst enemies but they can’t be blamed for Glossy’s Russian imperialism.

  126. @cwhatfuture
    @Bettega

    This is an insane comment.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Mr. Anon

    No, it is not an insane comment. You may not like it. It may not be true. But it is not insane. Is it not possible that some Jews would like there to be some chronic visible manisfestation of anti-semitism, such as orthodox Jews being harrassed, just to maintain their bragging rights as the World’s all-time most victimized group? Imagine this thought experiment: what would Al Sharpton and the BLM set do if, all of a sudden, no blacks were shot by cops anymore? I think it is by now safe to say that the last thing some Jews want is an end to is anti-semitism.

  127. @International Jew
    @SFG

    Let's give gruff the benefit of the doubt and interpret his words as, "Let International Jew work on convincing other Jews to advocate their Christian neighbors' interests." And to that I can assure you that I do that all the time.

    Replies: @gruff, @Mr. Anon

    “Let’s give gruff the benefit of the doubt and interpret his words as, “Let International Jew work on convincing other Jews to advocate their Christian neighbors’ interests.” And to that I can assure you that I do that all the time.”

    I’m glad to hear that. Does it work? Have you been able to change their opinions at all, or at least get them to think about how gentiles might feel about being progressively disenfranchised in our own countries?

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Mr. Anon

    I focus on two points:

    1. Muslim immigration to France means you need airport-style security at every synagogue, Jewish school and community center. And still you live in fear.

    2. The goyim in America have been very good to us. The least we can do is preserve their country for them.

    You can detect the obvious iSteve influence in #2.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Mr. Anon

  128. @Larry, San Francisco
    The problem is that for many Jews being part of the good whites (as Derbyshire would refer to it) is just too large an element of their identity. I think as the left becomes more actively anti-semitic through the BDS movement and other anti colonial therefore anti western groups (think La Raza) and starts harassing Jews more this will slowly change. Even my mom a nice Jewish white lady who taught in ghetto schools for over 30 years while never losing her faith in FDR liberalism has started agreeing with me that allowing in more Muslims may not be good for the Jews.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Mr. Anon

    I don’t mind Jews asking themselves the question “is it good for the Jews?”. What I object to is that so many Jews reflexively try to shout-down and/or stamp-out any gentile who asks if something is good for for us.

  129. @zaqan
    There was never any Jewish conspiracy to bring hordes of hostile Nazi-Muslims to Europe and the US. That comes from the cultural marxism that developed out of Protestant views, which Jews in the US and Canada adopted as they rose up the social ladder. The Protestant elites already had this insane opinion, all this equality love and happiness crap isnt from Judaism, thats for sure. Note how absolutely zero of the Jewish descent individuals involved in cultural marxism are in any sense religious. They are all atheists, well, not quite. They believe in marxism.

    But the idea expounded by many altright readers that Jews are trying to destroy Europe is utterly ridiculous. Why would Jews bring about their own certain doom?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @anon, @Joe Walker, @gruff, @Massimo Heitor, @Mr. Anon

    That is highly disingenuous reading of history. Writing Jews out of the development of Marxist thought (what ethnicity was Marx, by the way?) amounts to an outright lie.

  130. @Anonymous
    Does anyone in real life actually ask, "Is it good for the Jews?"

    Replies: @SILVER FISH

    In my experience people absolutely do say “but is it good for the Jews” and then soon after like matched cufflinks you do tend to get the Hitler quote “who nowadays remembers the Armenians”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @SILVER FISH

    In my experience people absolutely do say “but is it good for the Jews” and then soon after like matched cufflinks you do tend to get the Hitler quote “who nowadays remembers the Armenians”

    Thank you for the reply, Silver Fish. I'm not sure I get the connection between the two comments, or understand why someone would follow with the second one.

    (And are you telling me that you've actually heard someone ask in real life, "But is it good for the Jews?")

  131. @Anonymous
    Most of the " refugees" as they called themselves are equipped with hi-tech cell phones, smartphones, etc. which make me wonder how they can pay for the service to the carrier? Who are they calling? If they are asylum seekers, somehow they are deprived of this connection to their homeland as they are deemed running from war or persecution. Most of the men looked like they are on an adventure.

    Replies: @Anon7

    They are a well-dressed, well-equipped and well-financed bunch, aren’t they? They are not on an “adventure” except insofar as men do feel excitement when offered a real challenge. In this case, the challenge is that these men have the financial backing of their extended clan groups or families, and their assignment is to travel to a foreign, infidel land, establish themselves, and then BRING OVER all their relatives.

    Your comment made me realize that this is yet another effect of smartphone technology on immigration: it means that the folks back home can keep close track of their investment and ensure that he doesn’t “go native” (ie, pick up bad western habits like sitting around in his apartment on welfare, playing video games and Tinder all day).

  132. @Anonymous
    @22pp22

    I'm in Marlborough

    Replies: @Deduction, @22pp22

    London

  133. @Anonymous
    @22pp22

    I'm in Marlborough

    Replies: @Deduction, @22pp22

    That means there are about seven of us in NZ. Depressing.

  134. @Anonymous
    I think people are over-analyzing all of this. Jews support open borders. Period. The question of who is moving across those borders is secondary.

    Jewish survival has often depended on being able to move quickly from country to country without obstruction. Jews accordingly oppose all border controls as a matter of principle.

    Replies: @Joe Walker, @Anonymous, @Jim

    Israel is noted for its lack of border controls.

  135. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @SILVER FISH
    @Anonymous

    In my experience people absolutely do say "but is it good for the Jews" and then soon after like matched cufflinks you do tend to get the Hitler quote "who nowadays remembers the Armenians"

    Replies: @Anonymous

    In my experience people absolutely do say “but is it good for the Jews” and then soon after like matched cufflinks you do tend to get the Hitler quote “who nowadays remembers the Armenians”

    Thank you for the reply, Silver Fish. I’m not sure I get the connection between the two comments, or understand why someone would follow with the second one.

    (And are you telling me that you’ve actually heard someone ask in real life, “But is it good for the Jews?”)

  136. @Mr. Anon
    @International Jew

    "Let’s give gruff the benefit of the doubt and interpret his words as, “Let International Jew work on convincing other Jews to advocate their Christian neighbors’ interests.” And to that I can assure you that I do that all the time."

    I'm glad to hear that. Does it work? Have you been able to change their opinions at all, or at least get them to think about how gentiles might feel about being progressively disenfranchised in our own countries?

    Replies: @International Jew

    I focus on two points:

    1. Muslim immigration to France means you need airport-style security at every synagogue, Jewish school and community center. And still you live in fear.

    2. The goyim in America have been very good to us. The least we can do is preserve their country for them.

    You can detect the obvious iSteve influence in #2.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @International Jew

    Why are they resistant to immigration control in the first place? Why do you find yourself needing to make these arguments? And what is their response?

    , @Mr. Anon
    @International Jew

    Thanks for that. And keep up the good work.

  137. @International Jew
    @Mr. Anon

    I focus on two points:

    1. Muslim immigration to France means you need airport-style security at every synagogue, Jewish school and community center. And still you live in fear.

    2. The goyim in America have been very good to us. The least we can do is preserve their country for them.

    You can detect the obvious iSteve influence in #2.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Mr. Anon

    Why are they resistant to immigration control in the first place? Why do you find yourself needing to make these arguments? And what is their response?

  138. The problem is that for many Jews being part of the good whites (as Derbyshire would refer to it) is just too large an element of their identity.

    I could buy that if not for Apartheid Israel, and her BFF, diaspora Jewry.

  139. There was never any Jewish conspiracy to bring hordes of hostile Nazi-Muslims to Europe and the US.

    Jewish organizations in Europe side with the Muslims.

    I’m not a big fan of Jews but there is room for Jews to be regular deluded libs and not so all powerfully clever as some here seem to think.

    Jews tend to operate under a kind of Jewish Distortion Field where they don’t criticize Jewry (because ethnocentrism, persecution), and they sure as hell don’t let others criticize them (ditto). The result is one of the world’s least introspective people.

    Like it or not, it’s not Jews but good ‘ol actual Germans, Swedes, Brits etc who have gone suicidal.

    And yet, whenever you tell them this, they look at you like you’re nuts. And they’ll argue in earnest that they’re not, that you’re a racist extremist psycho for call this act of love “suicide.” Ergo, something else is going on.

    Suicidal people don’t tend to delude themselves in this way (and onlookers certainly don’t). They know exactly what slashing their wrists or swallowing a bottle of pills is about.

    No Israeli-style mist coolers anywhere near Auschwitz.

    A hot dog vendor who set up his tourist snack cart (with misters to keep his customers cool) near Auschwitz got tagged for “insensitivity” about ten days ago.

    I think Jews would have been ok with misters if a Jew was selling the hot dogs (after all they sell misters all over Israel), but alas it was a gentile.

    The question is, why do Jews let these psychos speak for them? The “silent Jewish majority feels otherwise” thing just doesn’t comport with the Jewish psychological profile. Yet, Jews in general are fine with letting these hostile Jews run the Jewish show. They seem to enjoy letting their psychos loose on humanity, letting them run the Jewish show.

    I think people are over-analyzing all of this. Jews support open borders. Period. The question of who is moving across those borders is secondary.

    Jewish survival has often depended on being able to move quickly from country to country without obstruction. Jews accordingly oppose all border controls as a matter of principle.

    Think your comments through before submitting them. Israel, and her BFF diaspora Jewry, expose your comment as nonsense.

    This is about Europe not Israel. The question is why Jews support mass Muslim immigration to Europe. The answer is that they don’t – it’s open borders that they support. There’s no mystery to unravel: today it’s mass-movements of Muslims, tomorrow it might be mass-movements of Jews. Neither must be obstructed.

    Principles are called principles because they’re portable. When you say things like “this is about Europe not Israel,” you’re no longer talking about principles. Unless you want to call Jewish Supremacy a principle; I’d be fine with that. In any event, Jewish Supremacy is what you’re describing, not a devotion to free movement.

  140. @22pp22
    I have given up trying to reason. We have always made the mistake of thinking that we can reason with these people. They don't reason, they emote as publically as possible. Those in academia have even created philosophies to replace reason. They believe that each episteme (age) has its own values and that no one set of values (except mine) can be less valid than the next. The see the "marginalized" key to creating a new episteme with discourses that will exactly match the world as they wish it to be. By throwing in their lot with the marginalized they believe they will help usher in their new age.

    The result is that they are impervious to reason. Never try to reason with them. Attack them on a personal level. With some female academics, this is easy as they have a research profile that simply does not match their pay grade. Point this out. I just had great fun reducing one lady to tears. She was talking about "my lack of respect". She is a Christian and I pointed out that one of the ten commandments is to "honour they father and mother". In her teens and early twenties, she was an anorexic and she put her father and mother through hell. Now anorexia is no longer in fashion, it is exceedingly rare. I merely pointed out that in supporting Syrian settlement, she was jumping on the latest bandwagon without thought to the consequences.

    Don't be nice, be nasty, identify their personal weaknesses and don't hold back.

    They've won. Europe is screwed. At least give yourself the pleasure of making one of them cry. Don't be a gentleman. They don't deserve it.

    Replies: @Perspective, @celt darnell

    Re: They’ve won. Europe is screwed.

    I used to think this way. I don’t any more.

    Too many anti-immigrant political parties are on the rise across the Continent and this latest fiasco will only strengthen their support.

    I can now see Marine Le Pen as President of France.

    I predict every major European nation will be governed by an anti-immigration, anti-multicultural and anti-Islamic party or coalition of parties before 2025.

    It’s not going to be pretty though.

  141. @Bert
    As a student Victor Orban risked his own life confronting tanks in Budapest and made a speech in Hero's Square which played a leading role in the downfall of communism. He has five children and unlike most European "Christians" he actually bothers to go to Mass regularly.

    He, frankly, is the closest thing to a hero that sad pathetic continent has.

    Replies: @Glossy, @celt darnell

    And what heroes does your continent have?

  142. @International Jew
    @Mr. Anon

    I focus on two points:

    1. Muslim immigration to France means you need airport-style security at every synagogue, Jewish school and community center. And still you live in fear.

    2. The goyim in America have been very good to us. The least we can do is preserve their country for them.

    You can detect the obvious iSteve influence in #2.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Mr. Anon

    Thanks for that. And keep up the good work.

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