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A recent trend has been Middle Eastern immigrants, mostly Muslims but also Armenians, objecting to the Establishment pushing the gay and trans agenda. Sometimes they do it admirably through the parents rights movements, sometimes despicably through street violence.

For mainstream newspapers pushing the Democratic Party line, this immigrant vs. LGBT stuff is tricky because it raises questions about inherent tensions in the Democrats’ Coalition of the Fringes grand strategy. On the other hand, a gay was murdered in a hate crime, a black gay! So the story is too On-Narrative to not push heavily.

But the stabber is a Muslim teen whose friends objected to the gay display as offensive to Islam. So that’s Off-Narrative.

The usual solution is to hope that readers assume, out of racist bigotry, that the Brooklyn stabber must have been Archie Bunker IV, and hope the public doesn’t pry too much into the facts.

Here’s how the Daily Mail (purveyor of masses of facts to the Awkward Squad), New York Times, and Washington Post handle the off-Narrative fact that the black gay vougueing to Beyonce music in a Brooklyn parking lot was stabbed to death by a Muslim.

Three days ago, the Daily Mail reported:

Dancer O’Shae Sibley is shown vogueing at Brooklyn gas station before being stabbed to death by ’17-year-old Muslim suspect’ in ‘anti-gay hate crime’ as Beyonce pays tribute

O’Shae Sibley was stabbed on Saturday at a Mobil gas station in Midwood

Police have identified a Muslim 17-year-old as their suspect but have not yet arrested him

By JEN SMITH, CHIEF REPORTER FOR DAILYMAIL.COM

PUBLISHED: 08:50 EDT, 2 August 2023 | UPDATED: 09:47 EDT, 2 August 2023

Surveillance footage captured dancer O’Shae Sibley vogueing in the parking lot of a Brooklyn gas station on Saturday, moments before being stabbed to death in what police now say was an anti-gay hate crime.

Sibley, 28, was attacked at the Mobil Gas Station after being confronted while dancing with his friends to a Beyonce song.

He was shirtless and wearing shorts, which offended a group of young, ‘Muslim‘ teens nearby.

One is said to have yelled at him to stop dancing, shouting: ‘I’m Muslim‘.

So, the Daily Mail puts the fact that the stabber is a Muslim in the headline half a week ago.

In the New York Times today, three days after the Daily Mail revelation, there is an article about the arrest of the Muslim teen. But the role of Islam is buried down in the 11th paragraph and then is immediately wished away:

Summy Ullah, a 32-year-old gas station attendant who witnessed the confrontation, said one of the men who approached Mr. Sibley and his friends had said: “I’m Muslim. I don’t want this here.”

At the news conference on Saturday, flanked by leaders from the city’s gay and Muslim communities, Mr. Adams emphasized that Mr. Sibley’s killing was not evidence of hatred directed at L.G.B.T.Q. people by Muslims in New York, and spoke about how both groups have been victims of hate. The two communities “stand united against fighting any form of hate in this city,” he said.

And in the Washington Post today, there’s a 19 paragraph article on the arrest of the Muslim youth that goes on and on about anti-gay hate crimes and yet never mentions a single thing about the killer being Muslim.

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  1. Teenager Is Charged in Killing of Dancer at Brooklyn Gas Station
    He faces a charge of second-degree murder, which has been charged as a hate crime, in the fatal stabbing of Mr. Sibley, a gay man, last week.

    https://archive.li/YKGfE

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  2. Surveillance footage captured dancer O’Shae Sibley vogueing in the parking lot of a Brooklyn gas station on Saturday,

    This kind of thing never ends well.

    • LOL: bomag, Adam Smith
  3. Man I’m losing track.

    Joggers, amateur home inspectors, youths, teens, street performers, Michael Jackson impersonators, free hug guys, Skittles-lovers, student-athletes, and now “dancers” who do something called “vogueing.”

  4. Is anybody else who comments here old enough to remember when the English word for an adherent of Islam was “Moslem”? Why did it change? Did someone decide that the Black Muslims were right and everybody else was wrong? Who was that someone? Just askin’.

  5. Anon[191] • Disclaimer says:

    “A talented dancer and choreographer” who was hanging out at a gas station in the middle of the night in his underwear … as talented dancers and choreographers are wont to do.

    “Talented dancer and choreographer” is the new “aspiring rapper.” Or rather, the new “talented Michael Jackson subway dance impressionist.”

    Did his dancing and choreography pay the rent? There should be a journalistic standard that any mention of a profession must be an actual source of income sufficient to support the person, not a hobby. So waitress or food delivery person rather than actress or actor. Or petty criminal and welfare recipient rather than whatever.

    One thing that is clear from the video is that Black people can’t just dial things back when they start to get confrontational. Maybe he shouldn’t have been stabbed, but it would have been trivially easy for him to have avoided getting stabbed.

    • Thanks: Mike Tre
    • Replies: @bomag
    , @Almost Missouri
  6. Coalition of the fringes unfurl.

  7. Fascinating thread about the economic situation in Canada, which is being aggravated by mass immigration. Almost like a left-wing critique of mass immigration.

    The comments are also really worth reading if you want to understand our neighbor to the north.
    I didn’t realize how bad the situation has become up there.

    What The F is Happening in Canada: A High Level Analysis [In-Depth]
    by u/Rain_Coast in collapse

    There are a few reasons behind Canada spiralling out of control:

    Canada is a nation owned by a handful of Oligarchs, perhaps a dozen families, which pretends it is a functioning democracy. No joke, effectively one or two billionaires hold a monopoly interest on a variety of essential industries in each province. Patterson in BC, the Richardsons in Saskatchewan & Manitoba, Irvings in the east coast, the Westons with their monopoly over groceries, the Rogers & Shaw families with telecommunications, etc etc etc. The nation is a two party system, with both the Liberals and the Conservatives working for these families. For the past 30+ years they’ve traded who is in office whenever the public gets fed up, but each successive government has expanded the exploitative programs of its predecessor regardless of ideological branding. I’ll get into the why at the end of this.

    [MORE]

    The country is wholly reliant now on a housing and consumer debt bubble which is the singular primary driver of the GDP and wealth generation and one of the worst inflated in the developed world, economically it is otherwise stagnant. A great number of people make shit wages but don’t need to worry, because they bought a house twenty years ago and the house now earns $100k/yr in value like clockwork – from which they can withdraw a HELOC loan to live more lavishly than they would otherwise. Wages haven’t moved in decades, while the house I grew up in has increased in value from $60k to $1.2 Million in only 25 years – with no improvements done to it. This house is in a small, isolated town in the interior of the province with no remaining economy other than tourism and logging. The government is unwilling to do anything to change this situation, both because they have their fingers in the pie and because wiping out homeowners with a housing crash would at this point destroy the nations economy like a nuclear bomb.

    You can see the problems here, I’m sure.

    Our population is rapidly aging, however due to the cost of living and lack of housing availability, nobody is having children. This threatens the holy grail of Growth Economics. If the economy stagnates, those oligarchs I mentioned start losing profits. Our pension funds and other services risk insolvency – the only solution is to tell the boomers to fuck off (politically impossible) or to massively boost the population to try and fake the GDP growth per capita.

    Following the pandemic, we saw the first serious increase in wages in years due to the lack of workers as the labor market experienced the same reshuffling as it has anywhere else.

    The solution from the federal government to that wage negotiation power has been swift and brutal: mass immigration at any cost with the goal of aggressive wage suppression and ensuring consistently upward-spiralling rents / housing prices. A one bedroom apartment in Vancouver in 2016 could still be found for around $800/month. Today that is $2900/month. Rents outside the lower mainland do not drop dramatically, however economic prospects sure do, so the affordability gap actually worsens the further you go from the major cities.

    Over the past year the feds have increased annual immigration to between 1.45 and 2.2 Million people when you count international students, temporary workers, and refugees. This is amount the highest, if not the highest, rate of per-capita immigration in the world. Vastly outpacing the USA. The majority are not skilled immigrants, we no longer apply our skills-based immigration stream approach and are now largely importing raw and often uneducated labourers from developing nations. This has resulted in severe strain on the medical system, as we also do not recognize any foriegn medical degrees and engage in heavy protectionism of wages in this field by allowing very few domestic med school graduates per year. Last year the federal government removed any working restrictions on international students (numbering 800k last year, to suppress wages), removed most market restrictions on the “Temporary Foriegn Worker Program” and increased the allowable number of them by six figures (to suppress wages). And so on and so forth. They are now handing out visas on a “just apply” basis to both tech workers and skilled trades, to try and kill wage negotiation power in the last few remaining pockets of good wages in the country.

    While it’s been a great propaganda piece about how Canada “welcomes” so many refugees, the reality is quite inhumane. Greater than 40% of homeless shelter users in Toronto are refugees who were imported by the Federal government and subsequently dumped on the streets with zero support once they ran out the few months of payments and housing they receive. The goal is, again, not humanitarian: it is a strategy of wage suppression by ensuring a constant stream of desperate people willing to work for whatever is offered and remain ignorant of their labor rights out of fear and desperation. This has until very recently been swept under the rug as it harms the international propaganda value of our refugee business.

    Take a look around this imploding world, that business is booming.

    The country is speedrunning towards severe sectarian violence at this point, with the political class in Ottawa and various Provincial governments wholly captured by a tiny group of wealthy elite and corporate interests who cannot see beyond their own quarterly profits. Our last housing minister owned three investment properties, he has been shuffled and last week replaced by the minister responsible for opening up this mass immigration scheme.

    When confronted earlier in the year about the disparity between numbers coming in and housing being built, Sean Fraser responded “Don’t worry, they’ll build their own housing”. The prime minister has said last week that housing “is not a concern of the federal government”. Today the new immigration minister says “we may need to revise the targets higher”. This is the degree of reckless tone-deafness on display. Every bank in the country, displaying an unusual degree of breaking from the narrative, agrees this is insane.

    This is an extremely high level overview which does not touch on the many interlocking systemic issues underlying the how and the why things went to shit so fast in Canada. Failure to invest in housing for three decades, willful blindness towards money laundering in housing by foriegn investors for decades, total lack of regulation on AirBnB and other STR’s, turning international student programs into a defacto limitless work visa stream to bypasses actual work visa caps, failure to invest in diversifying the economy out of resource extraction, closure and offshoring of add-value manufacturing, failure to invest in infrastructure while extracting profits. Etc etc etc. it’s a complete clusterfuck.

    It bears repeating the above paragraph, because many will miss the point: the problem here is not immigration. We were already struggling and on the road to serious economic ruin sooner or later for well over a decade before Ottawa decided to immediately add several million people a year. But we are now absolutely on the verge of some seriously dire shit, the breaking point is already here. I am personally leaving the country next year, as I am at the top of the pay scale for my specialized industry in this country and can no longer make ends meet (I have six roommates and savings is still a struggle, as the floor for rent is $1000/room no matter how many are in the house) – but by relocating elsewhere my wage more than doubles.

    Up until quite recently Canada was a relatively stable nation with a high standard of living (built on extreme consumer debt), and with an extremely developed national ego and self-delusion that it was somehow superior to other supposedly “inferior” places such as the USA. To say that the abrupt contraction in living conditions as reality sets in here has been a little hard for folks to swallow would be an understatement.

    I have no interest in sticking around to see what my frankly quite-racist and generally ignorant countrymen get up to, when they decide it’s the nationality of the millions of warm bodies we’re pumping into the country who are to blame for what happens here over the next few years – rather than blaming the politicians who decided that going hard on transitioning from a nation to a post-national corporate entity, which wears the concept of a nation as a disguise, was the best way to personally cash in. After decades of these politicians pushing the rhetoric that any criticism of immigration is “racist”, the blowback here is going to be extremely severe.

    That’s really the core of the problem: the minds behind Ottawa do not want to be in charge of a nation, they really don’t care about the idea of “Canada” as a country, they have zero loyalty to that idea: they want a company town which spans from shore to shore. You will pay for your housing until the very day you die, either via 70+ year mortgages or via rent towards parasitic landlords, and purchase all of your goods from a handful of consolidated options which trickle back to the same core group of oligarch families. This will force you to work, endlessly, at whatever wages and conditions you can get. The stability of the society and its demographics, sane functioning economics, etc, is wholly irrelevant here: the goal is to take a seething mass of humanity, both domestically sourced and cynically lured in from around the globe, squeeze it for whatever capital drips out, and throw more on the pile when they start to run dry.

  8. @The Anti-Gnostic

    Aspiring rappers, squeegee men, honor students…

    • Thanks: The Anti-Gnostic
    • Replies: @J.Ross
  9. J.Ross says:

    OT — Former State Supreme Court Justice proves 2020 Wisconsin ballots should not have been certified.
    https://www.wisconsinrightnow.com/gableman-report/

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
  10. J.Ross says:

    OT — Clint Eastwood is dead.

    • Disagree: Thea
    • LOL: Renard
  11. @J.Ross

    RIP. He was doing quality work well into his dotage.

  12. But isn’t his arrest “Islamophobic”? That should be treated as a hate crime, too.

    Why the McCarran-Walter Act was never applied to Mohammedans is beyond me. Islam is even worse than Communism, in the long run.

    • Thanks: Redneck Farmer
    • Replies: @epebble
    , @Almost Missouri
  13. @J.Ross

    If true, you’re faster than Wikipedia. He’s still alive over there. Maybe they’re waiting for an encyclopedic source.

    However, his love life is there for all to see. Clint is an honorary black.

    • Replies: @Adolf Smith
    , @res
    , @AnotherDad
  14. “ALLAH WILLS IT, BIGOT”! Still, going to be funny (for a certain sense of humor) as TCOTF breaks down.

  15. @Reg Cæsar

    No its a hoax.
    Years ago I called WGN radio and spoke with the host,one Steve King. I informed him that,sadly,Woody Allen had died. I guess it was a more innocent time,circa 1982, but he bought it. The killjoys soon clogged the lines,declaiming the Good News that the Wood man lived yet. Mores the pity for the children of the world!😉

    • LOL: Pop Warner
  16. @JohnnyWalker123

    I hope it’s not that dire in the Great White North (aka “America’s Hat”). But the thread is describing the consequences of having your country run as a profit-making enterprise for financial elites.

    Forget loyalty to “blood and soil.” Maximizing value to “shareholder” (the elite owners) requires an immigration Ponzi scheme to keep asset values as high as possible in comparison to wages (an expense item from the perspective of the owners).

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  17. Anon[389] • Disclaimer says:

    objecting to the Establishment pushing the gay and trans agenda. Sometimes they do it admirably through the parents rights movements, sometimes despicably through street violence.

    Not that I like muslims, but I do consider the Establishment by far more despicable.

  18. Liza says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    The goal is, again, not humanitarian: it is a strategy of wage suppression by ensuring a constant stream of desperate people willing to work for whatever is offered and remain ignorant of their labor rights out of fear and desperation.

    I have no interest in sticking around to see what my frankly quite-racist and generally ignorant countrymen get up to, when they decide it’s the nationality of the millions of warm bodies we’re pumping into the country who are to blame for what happens here

    Oh, isn’t that sly. Toujours it’s purely an economic matter, compliments of the left wing bunch.

    • Agree: Redneck Farmer
  19. J.Ross says:
    @Patrick in SC

    Everyone knows what happened at NASA re VGER.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  20. Liza says:

    Today it’s about public dancers (homo or not); tomorrow it’s people taking their dog for a walk. Just wait.

    Never heard of vogueing, though. Is that a separate category in Islam’s forbidden activities?

    • Replies: @Ralph L
    , @J.Ross
    , @Currahee
  21. @J.Ross

    One side effect of the latest indictment against Trump is that he is accused of not having any good faith basis to believe that the “fortified” 2020 election was rigged. Like it or not, that requires the nation to relitigate whether the 2020 election was, in fact, suspicious as hell.

    For example, does anyone think it’s totally normal that a leftist oligarch (Zuckerberg) was put in charge of counting the votes in the key swing districts in the key swing states? Is it relevant that Zuck was subsequently shown to be a deep state asset assisting with internet manipulatIon and information suppression? Or that the agency charged with investigating fraud (the FBI) has been subsequently shown to be totally corrupt and working at all times for Biden, and against Trump?

    Nah, I’m sure everything was fine and that it’s just an invalid “conspiracy theory” to think the Democrats and deep state could ever team up to get their favored candidate into office?

    What made me think of Zuck was the #2 item on the retired Justice’s list of illegal Wisconsin election “irregularities:”

    2. The Center for Tech and Civic Life’s $8,800,000 Zuckerberg Plan Grants being run in the Cities of Milwaukee, Madison, Racine, 8 Kenosha and Green Bay constituting Election Bribery Under Wis. Stat. § 12.11 (he also found that “Safe Voting Was a Pretext—The Real Reason for (Center for Tech & Civic Life) WSVP Grants was to Facilitate Increased In-Person and Absentee Voting in Specific Targeted Areas Inside the (Mark) Zuckerberg 5.”);

    • Agree: Ron Mexico, TWS
  22. epebble says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    How could immigration law be applied to a religion? That would require asking them to state their religion. That has been a no-no since 1789. How will the government deal with someone who has lied?

  23. Anonymous[336] • Disclaimer says:

    Totem Pole, Totem Pole.
    All is Totem Pole.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  24. This sort of stuff is just a reminder of the obvious point that different peoples–with different norms–belong in different nations.

    There isn’t any obvious “right” set of norms here. I don’t want to see homos “vogueing”–whatever the hell that is–either. But I’m not for stabbing them for it either. Again, different norms.

    ~

    Muslims is particular–the historic enemy civilization of the West–obviously do not belong in the West. Letting them invade is just nuts. It’s literally “duh” territory.

    But pointing out that religious incompatibility/hostility/non-integrability is in fact quite legitimate reason to exclude people from your nation … well oh boy don’t go there! So we have Muslim invaders shoved up our ass and are supposed to never mention the screamingly obvious insanity of it.

  25. At the news conference on Saturday, flanked by leaders from the city’s gay and Muslim communities, Mr. Adams emphasized that Mr. Sibley’s killing was not evidence of hatred directed at L.G.B.T.Q. people by Muslims in New York, and spoke about how both groups have been victims of hate. The two communities “stand united against fighting any form of hate in this city,” he said.

    Me too! Finally, I’m on the same side as the queers and muzzies.

    Stop fighting hate and let everyone’s hate breathe free!

    • LOL: Liza, bomag
    • Replies: @G. Poulin
    , @Ron Mexico
    , @Renard
  26. Anonymous[336] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Canada takes in an enormous number of third world immigrants every year – something like one million – and the Trudeau administration is proud enough of this policy to ‘own’ it, something that the contemptible creep and sneak Tony Blair was unable to do.

    If we continue the comparison, Canada with its boundless, vast open spaces is suffering from an acute housing shortage, due to the fact of the sheer number of immigrants dumped on the nation every year vastly outstripping the capacity of the construction industry in coping with it. The United Kingdom – incidentally ruled by a Party which pledged to ‘control'(!) immigration – receives, annually, a substantially higher per capita intake of immigrants. Yet, the south east of England where the vast majority of the immigrants want to live is, basically, one of the most over developed, intensively settled and land constrained spots on earth.

    – And the fools wonder why housing is unaffordable in the UK.

    • Replies: @MM
    , @Anonymous
  27. AceDeuce says:
    @AnotherDad

    This sort of stuff is just a reminder of the obvious point that different peoples–with different norms–belong in different nations.

    You read my mind. Reading the story, I kept saying to myself that neither one of these people belong here.

  28. @Hypnotoad666

    I hope it’s not that dire in the Great White North (aka “America’s Hat”). But the thread is describing the consequences of having your country run as a profit-making enterprise for financial elites.

    Forget loyalty to “blood and soil.” Maximizing value to “shareholder” (the elite owners) requires an immigration Ponzi scheme to keep asset values as high as possible in comparison to wages (an expense item from the perspective of the owners).

    There’s nothing wrong with “maximizing shareholder value”. The problem is the nation’s shareholders are supposed to be the actual citizens of the nation–not some select group of looters. A nation is supposed to be run in the long term interests of its people. The whole “ourselves and our posterity” thing the American Founders put so well.

    As Reg pointed out in on a recent thread, even in direct economic terms immigration to an advanced nation (like the US or Canada) is quite valuable and but has been cavalierly and corruptly just been given away. Even if you treated nations as nothing more than profit making joint-stock companies, Western leaders for the past several decades would all be in jail for betraying their fiduciary duty.

    And yes I agree with you, nations are much, much more than that.

  29. Art Deco says:

    I’m remembering Henry Kissinger’s crack about the Iran-Iraq war.

  30. G. Poulin says:
    @AnotherDad

    Meant to be funny, but it’s true as well. Everybody has a right to hate whoever he wants to hate, and to say so publicly. You just can’t kill them, under normal circumstances.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  31. Ralph L says:
    @Liza

    I don’t think Madonna started it.

    • LOL: Liza
    • Replies: @Adolf Smith
  32. Ralph L says:
    @epebble

    I believe the constitutional ban on religious tests is for federal office, not entry or naturalization.

  33. J.Ross says:
    @Liza

    Voging (Vogueing?) was a thing in the late 80s and early 90s, where you danced by rigidly striking poses. Something like The Robot.

    • Thanks: Liza
  34. J.Ross says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Well, we live in hope, especially after his last movie, which was shockingly bad.

  35. bomag says:
    @Anon

    But lately society has been rewarding those who are confrontational and a certain kind of evil.

    In these sweepstakes, hard to pick between teen Muslims and gay Blacks. Too bad they can’t both lose.

    • Agree: anonymouseperson
    • Replies: @Anon
  36. Old Prude says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    “Relitigate”? The election was never litigated to begin with. It was just megaphoned into being. People who protested were summarily executed.

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  37. martin_2 says:

    Among the Establishment and the Chattering Class, in the UK at least, I think there was in the past the assumption that (1) they were, on an individual level, morally, spiritually and intellectually superior to others, particularly immigrants, and (2) their nation was, as a consequence of (1), culturally more advanced compared to other nations of the Commonwealth. So immigrants would not pose a threat to them, and neither would the ambient culture be threatened, since immigrants would adopt to our customs and culture, since they will recognise that it is superior to their own.

    But many children with parents from India (remember I am talking about the UK here) have shown themselves to be cleverer than the children of the Chattering Class. And Indians are taking all the good jobs and buying all the expensive property. They are “taking over”, if you like, but to the chagrin of the Chattering Class, it is they too, not just the deplorables, who are being dispossessed.

    And people who follow the religion of Islam do not want to adopt to our “way of life”, such as it is, especially when it involves Gay Pride events in schools. So the country will change, and those values that the Chattering Class advocate will not be preserved.

    But the Chattering Class know it is too late to do anything about it. The wagon is not approaching the cliff, it has already fallen off.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
  38. bomag says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    Thanks.

    At the time, the first Narrative line was that, yes, there is some election fraud, but not enough to matter.

    It was quickly realized that admitting any fraud is problematic, so it was a quick switch to “the election was totally pure and unsullied.”

  39. OT but what’s the situation like in the States?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12377291/Defence-chiefs-sacked-5-000-soldiers-drug-abuse-just-five-years-figures-show.html

    Defence chiefs are alarmed that the use of Class A drugs is now rife within the Armed Forces, with new figures revealing that more than 5,000 personnel from across the services have been sacked after failing compulsory drugs tests in the past five years.

    A Freedom of Information request reveals that frontline pilots and sailors on board the Royal Navy’s nuclear submarines have been dismissed.

    Dozens of Special Forces troops, including SAS soldiers, have also tested positive in the past decade.

    Last year, the Ministry of Defence sacked 950 personnel after they failed drug tests. Almost two-thirds had tested positive for cocaine.

    Elsewhere the Good Hitchens contrasts the coverage of Jan 6th with the coverage of an actual armed coup.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-12376823/PETER-HITCHENS-Meet-liberals-condemn-Trumps-failed-putsch-happily-condone-real-one.html

    • Replies: @Hunsdon
  40. MM says:
    @I, Libertine

    It’s likely the same reason a lot of cities have changed their spelling – some “expert” says “well actually it’s pronounced like this

    • Replies: @Liza
  41. MM says:
    @Anonymous

    If all you do is look at a map you see lots of land in Canada.

    Of course a lot of that space on the map is mosquito infested tundra – completely frozen in the winter (8 months) and bog in the summer (4 months).

    I live in Canada. There’s a good reason most of the population is huddled up against the southern border.

  42. @AnotherDad

    “Good, let the hate flow through you…”

  43. BB753 says:

    Trudeau us also in trouble with the gay/ trans stuff and Muslims. They’re the only ones pushing back on LGBT indoctrination for kids. Which shows what spineless losers native white Canadians are.

  44. Art Deco says:
    @epebble

    Don’t issue settler’s visas or temporary residency permits to people from problem countries. Then allow a dispensation for people from confessional minorities within problem countries, if they wish to provide proofs which can be verified by consular officials.

  45. @Anon

    While Steve justly cites the Daily Mail favorably for forthrightly stating the suspect is Muslim, event the Daily Mail uncritically accepts the narrative that the deceased had been “vogueing”.

    Before this incident, I had not been completely clear on what vogueing is. Something homosexuals do, I supposed. Judging by this incident though, it seems to refer to sexual inverts in a possibly dangerous state of psychosis. Or more generally, it could be defined as the latest of Big Media’s scrolling list of excuses for threatening behavior from its favored classes.

  46. Muslims and gays “standing together”? Presumably, not one in front of the other.

    • LOL: Hibernian
  47. Pentheus says:

    Car Wash, 1976
    “Lindy Disses Duane”

    This scene illustrates the inter-male dynamics which precipitated this current news story.

    Note that the Black Muslim’s disapproval is that the semi-tranny gay guy is abasing HIMSELF as a man.

    Note the gay guy has no hesitation about getting in the Black Muslim guy’s face and insulting him. In this scene, the gay guy feels, correctly, he has the crowd on his side, so is not worried. But he could be wrong.

    “Gays” think they can excuse themselves from the Unwritten Law of Man World: If you provoke the wrong guy, he might beat you up. Right or wrong, that’s a fact.

    (I have twice been on the receiving end of this from white urban tough kids as a naive wiseass bigmouth from the suburbs.)

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  48. Thea says:

    Pretty sure this is the plot of a T.C. Boyle story.

  49. dearieme says:
    @I, Libertine

    If you go back a bit further they were called Mohammedans. I have a vague memory that the objection to that – perhaps a fabricated objection – was that they did not worship M in the way that Christians worshipped Christ. M was their prophet not their God.

    To which I might reply that Buddhists don’t worship Buddha, his being a Teacher, not a God. Similarly Lutherans, Calvinists, …

  50. @JohnnyWalker123

    I was in the Toronto airport last week and was astounded at the number of SE Asians not only as passenger, but also workers up to and including Customs. I am old enough to remember when Canada was a nice quiet Commonwealth country.

  51. @Reg Cæsar

    Why the McCarran-Walter Act was never applied to Mohammedans is beyond me.

    I’ve been thinking that since about September 12th, 2001. But the McCarran-Walter Act, like all pre-[anti-]Civil Rights law, is now effectively dead letter, overthrown by our de facto second constitution, enthroned in the cultural revolution of the 1960s.

    Islam is even worse than Communism, in the long run.

    Things have gotten so bad now that one may say that “If there is hope, it lies in theMuslims.”

    Those whose memories stretch back to the 2000s may recall that this was the explanation we were given as to how the Taliban came to power in Afghanistan.

  52. @I, Libertine

    Is anybody else who comments here old enough to remember when the English word for an adherent of Islam was “Moslem”?

    Yes. I also remember when “Shia” was “Shi’ite”, “Beijing” was “Peking” and “Mumbai” was “Bombay”.

    Why did it change?

    Same reason that “Kiev” changed to “Kyiv”: pretentious, self-unaware clowns who hold the media megaphone want to pretend that they’re on the bleeding edge of every trend, even though the dumb fucks were sure in 2016 Trump had no chance of ever becoming president. That’s why.

    • LOL: BB753
  53. Mike Tre says:

    A “Muslim” teen. That’s nice. From what country? Iran? Syria? Somalia? Indonesia? Is it Kevin Barrett’s son?

    “I’m muslim. I don’t want that here” Unmentioned is the real conflict: The War of Self-Entitlement being waged between these groups.

    Guess what Uni, you don’t belong “here” in the first place. And frankly, neither does the homosexual negro.

  54. jon says:

    A few interesting things from the video:
    1. O’Shae is wearing nothing but a very revealing thong (not even shoes), strutting around the gas station parking lot when the video first starts;
    2. the stabber (red shorts) actually turns around and goes back into the gas station when he first sees this, and then spends most of the rest of the video in the background recording the confrontation on his phone but not participating;
    3. it’s only when the groups begin to disperse that the stabber and O’Shea are left alone and appear to interact for the first time, but the discussion between them looks pretty civil and then O’Shae walks back to the car to leave;
    4. at that point, the stabber apparently yells some kind of slur, because O’Shae and two others come back toward him;
    5. the kid is backing up in retreat the whole time they approach, and, even though the stabbing is mostly off-camera, you can see that O’Shea was clearly the aggressor and was attacking the kid.

    I doubt NY will show the kid any leniency, but other than whatever he yelled to get them to come back, the kid really wasn’t being aggressive or much involved at all in the whole confrontation and was clearly trying to escape when he stabbed O’Shea.

  55. @JohnnyWalker123

    I didn’t realize how bad the situation has become up there.

    Dude, check out some of the Canada threads on /pol/ sometime. Ontario now has a per capita GDP on par with Alabama.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
  56. @epebble

    How could immigration law be applied to a religion?

    Because even the most liberal interpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment does not protect any rights of any person who is a foreigner living abroad.

    • Replies: @WIlkey
    , @epebble
  57. I gather that it was/is a way that homosexuals advertised themselves to prospective sexual partners.

    Madonna’s 1990 music video put a media-friendly “fashion/style” wrapper on it, but even by the end of that video, the wrapper was literally unraveling.

    • Agree: Liza
  58. Arclight says:

    To steal a phrase, much of our largest news outlets reporting is geared around which facts the public shouldn’t know, lest it reflect unfavorably upon the left and its shibboleths.

    Even the more honest figures at major publications like Thomas Edsall lard up their columns with quotes and figures that favor the left’s favored narrative at the outset before a few dissenting or contrary points of view are sprinkled in towards the end.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  59. OT: An excellent article on how Jesse Jackson remade the Democratic Party.

    https://freebeacon.com/democrats/how-jesse-jackson-remade-the-democratic-party/

  60. J.Ross says:
    @G. Poulin

    Love means nothing unless it means hating that which threatens the object of your love.

  61. @The Anti-Gnostic

    The euphemisms they come up with for black thugs is intrigueing. I wonder if they give an award for best one at the end of the year?

  62. Dee Jay says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    One has to go back to the ’90’s to understand “vogueing”…see Madonna’s song.

  63. @MM

    If all you do is look at a map you see lots of land in Canada.

    Of course a lot of that space on the map is mosquito infested tundra – completely frozen in the winter (8 months) and bog in the summer (4 months).

    And much of the rest is in the Canadian shield, which is pretty nearly bare rock unsuitable for many economic activities.

  64. Anonymous[214] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    A curious factor has arisen in UK politics of late, that is the wholesale rejection of the Conservative Party in its former rock solid political heartland of the south east of England, in particular what are termed the ‘Home Counties’.

    Basically, the Home Counties consist of that part of England bordering the periphery of Greater London, and stretching 50 to 100 miles or so from the center of London. Within its environs are to be found some of the most affluent and exclusive neighborhoods in the UK, and the traditional power base of the Conservatives. Also to be found in the Home Counties is gorgeous, verdant English countryside, of the type that inspired poets.
    Due to the enormous population growth afflicting the UK in the last two decades, which is purely political motivated and driven solely and wholly by uncontrolled mainly third world immigration, housing accomodation in the UK, particularly in London has become scarce in the extreme and as a consequence utterly unaffordable.

    The only solution is to build on the beautiful Home Counties countryside – the Tories keep trying to initiate it, but at every attempt they are stymied by a *massive* by election defeat, usually to the blatantly immigrationist Liberal Democrats, ironically enough. The informed and intelligent voters of the Home Counties just won’t have it. This has the Tories shit scared and quaking in their boots. They don’t know what to do, but as always, duplicity wins out, and expect a whole load of lies to be told, and the ‘greenfield’ housing development to come to pass.

    Of course, there’s no real choice. Beautiful meadows, woods, fields and copses filled with the mellifluous calls of English songbirds – or yet another boatload of wogs.
    Of course, the bastards at The Economist will take the wogs until the last splinter of wood vanishes from England. Forever.
    These bastards must be stopped.

    • Thanks: JohnnyWalker123
  65. Liza says:
    @MM

    Like Peking and Beijing, I guess. It always was supposed to be pronounced Bay-Jing, but most methods of transliteration are hopelessly stupid, clumsy and unworkable to all but linguists.

    But people still call Pekingese dogs “Peekinese” not Beijingese, AFAIK. 🙂 However, it may be just a matter of time before you will be fined for not saying Beijingese.

    But what excuse do they have for changing the spelling of Kiev (this has worked fine for eons) into Kyiv? God save us from the intelligentsia.

    • Replies: @Dmon
    , @Reg Cæsar
  66. J.Ross says:

    OT — Long, good piece on the Chinese economy from Ellis Items.

    [MORE]

    1. Ho-Fung Hung:

    It would be wrong to think that external factors have radically altered China’s prospects. Rather, the country’s gradual decline started more than a decade ago. Those who closely analyzed the data, beyond the buzzing business districts and flashy building developments, detected this economic malaise as early as 2008. Back then, I wrote that China was entering a typical over-accumulation crisis. Its booming export sector had raked in a huge amount of foreign reserves since the mid-1990s. In its closed financial system, exporters must surrender their foreign earnings to the central bank, which creates equivalent RMB to mop up the foreign currencies. This led to the rapid expansion of RMB liquidity in the economy, mostly in the form of bank loans. Because the banking system is tightly controlled by the party-state – with state-owned or state-connected enterprises serving as the fiefdoms and cash cows of elite families – the state sector enjoyed privileged access to state bank loans, which were used to fuel an investment spree. The result was rising employment, a temporary and localized economic boom, and a windfall for the elite. But this dynamic also left behind redundant and unprofitable construction projects: empty apartments, underused airports, excessive coal plants and steel mills. That, in turn, resulted in falling profits, slowing growth and worsening indebtedness across the main sectors of the economy.

    Throughout the 2010s, the party-state periodically undertook new lending in an attempt to arrest the slowdown. But many enterprises simply took advantage of easy bank loans to refinance their existing debt without adding new spending or investment to the economy. These companies eventually became loan addicts; and as with any addiction, increasing doses were needed to generate diminishing effects. Over time, the economy lost its dynamism as zombie enterprises were kept alive through debt alone: a classic case of the ‘balance-sheet recession’ that roiled Japan after its boom ended in the early 1990s. Yet just as these woes became increasingly clear to insiders in the early 2010s, they were censored in official media, which amplified Lin’s upbeat assessment. Meanwhile in the Western world, a web of Wall Street bankers and corporate executives had reason to suppress more skeptical analyses, as they continued to profit off luring investors into China. The illusion of limitless high-speed growth thus ruled the day at the very moment when the economy entered its most serious crisis since the outset of the market reform era………

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  67. Steven J. says:
    @I, Libertine

    “Muslim” is the English transliteration of the Arabic word for a followers if Islam. “Moslem” reflects the Persian pronunciation. For centuries Persians and Turks were the dominant thinkers and rulers in Islam, and western terminology followed their example. The switch to “Muslim” in part traces to emphasizing the Arabic roots of Islam and partly, probably, to Saudi Arabias oil wealth and its use to promote Islam.

  68. J.Ross says:

    OT — German physicists react to Fat Man.

    Transcript of Surreptitiously Taped Conversations among German Nuclear Physicists at Farm Hall (August 6-7, 1945)

    I. Preamble.
    1. This report covers the first reactions of the guests to the news that an atomic bomb had been perfected and used by the Allies.

    2. The guests were completely staggered by the news. At first they refused to believe it and felt that it was bluff on our part, to induce the Japanese to surrender. After hearing the official announcement they realized that it was a fact. Their first reaction, which I believe was genuine, was an expression of horror that we should have used this invention for destruction.

    [ . . . ]

    II. 6th August, 1945.

    1. Shortly before dinner on the 6th August I informed Professor HAHN that an announcement had been made by the B.B.C. that an atomic bomb had been dropped. HAHN was completely shattered by the news and said that he felt personally responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, as it was his original discovery which had made the bomb possible. He told me that he had originally contemplated suicide when he realized the terrible potentialities of his discovery and he felt that now these had been realized and he was to blame. With the help of considerable alcoholic stimulant he was calmed down and we went down to dinner where he announced the news to the assembled guests.

    2. As was to be expected, the announcement was greeted with incredulity. The following is a transcription of the conversation during dinner.

    [ . . . ]

    HEISENBERG: I don’t believe a word of the whole thing. They must have spent the whole of their £500,000,000 in separating isotopes; and then it’s possible.

    WEIZSÄCKER: If it’s easy and the Allies know it’s easy, then they know that we will soon find out how to do it if we go on working.

    HAHN: I didn’t think it would be possible for another twenty years.

    WEIZSÄCKER: I don’t think it has anything to do with uranium.

    [ . . . ]

    DIEBNER: We always thought we would need two years for one bomb.

    HAHN: If they have really got it, they have been very clever in keeping it secret.

    WIRTZ: I’m glad we didn’t have it.

    WEIZSÄCKER: That’s another matter. How surprised BENZER(?) would have been. They always looked upon it as a conjuring trick.

    WIRTZ: DOEPEL, BENZER(?) and Company.

    HAHN: DOEPEL was the first to discover the increase in neutrons.

    HARTECK: Who is to blame?

    (?) VOICE: HAHN is to blame.

    WEIZSÄCKER: I think it’s dreadful of the Americans to have done it. I think it is madness on their part.

    HEISENBERG: One can’t say that. One could equally well say “That’s the quickest way of ending the war.”

    HAHN: That’s what consoles me
    https://ghdi.ghi-dc.org/sub_document.cfm?document_id=2320&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

  69. Legba says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    I like ‘motorist’, it paints a certain mental picture.

  70. JimDandy says:

    In the video I saw, the black gay seemed to be going after the Muslim kid. Self defense.

  71. Renard says:
    @AnotherDad

    Mr. Adams emphasized that Mr. Sibley’s killing was not evidence of hatred directed at L.G.B.T.Q. people by Muslims in New York, and spoke about how both groups have been victims of hate.

    “Let’s not argue about who killed who! Let’s all come together as one, and vilify whitey the way we’re supposed to!”

    (Is there some group which hasn’t been “victims of hate”?)

    • Agree: Liza
  72. WIlkey says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Canada has (acknowledged) immigration of about 450,000 people per year, and a population of only 40 million. That is (acknowledged) immigration of over 1.1% of it’s population per year – equivalent to the US admitting 3.6 million legal immigrants per year – about 3x our current rate.

    To put it bluntly, that is batcrap crazy. Canada only has about 360,000 births per year, so Canada is importing immigrants (~90% non-white) faster than it is having new children of its own.

    There is absolutely no case for that rate of immigration. None whatsoever. There is no “labor shortage” that would ever justify such a massive rate of immigration. It is pure population replacement. The oligarch billionaires want serfs, and the politicians want to replace the voters with those more to their liking.

    The article I found quotes Sean Fraser, just recently the Liberal Party’s immigration minister, saying:

    “When I talked to developers, in my capacity as a minister of immigration before today, one of the chief obstacles to completing the projects that they want to get done is having access to the labour force to build the houses that they need.”

    Got that? Developers are telling him they need more (cheap) labor? When in all of fucking history have developers ever said they want less labor? Never.

    Developers have another reason, besides cheap labor, for wanting more people: the demand side. They want more people in the market to drive up demand for their product. That drives up both prices and volume. Construction prices and demand are heavily driven by population growth. Without population growth the only market for their product is mostly just replacement or renovation of older housing stock. Mass immigration doesn’t increase their profits by a few percent. It increases them 2-3-10 fold – or more.

    And the alternative to these “liberals”? Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre, who makes no promises about how much he will reduce immigration (because he won’t), had this to say:

    “I want to get back to commonsense immigration. The numbers should be driven by the number of employers who have job vacancies that they cannot fill with Canadians, by the number of charities that want to sponsor refugees, and by the families that want to reunite and can support their loved ones here.”

    Got that? “Commonsense” immigration reform, where immigration #’s are decided by:

    1) Billionaire businessmen who claim labor shortages and want to hold wages down.

    2) “Charities” funded by those same billionaire businessmen, or by the taxpayers, who pay some small fraction of the cost of bringing someone there, then dump the future cost on…the taxpayers.

    3) Existing immigrants just bringing in more of their family.

    The Western world has gone mad. Thanks for the link. I’ve long thought Canada’s immigration policies were insane. It’s comforting to know the shit may soon hit the fan, before the population replacement is totally irreversible.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  73. @I, Libertine

    I do, and I comment accordingly. If you search any comment I’ve written here and any blog post of mine, any instance of “Muslim” rather than “Moslem” is a typo.

    Yes, Peking, been there, wore the MAGA hat.

  74. Currahee says:
    @Liza

    Never heard? Generation old term for prancing around like a fag.

    • LOL: Liza
  75. Altai3 says:

    At the news conference on Saturday, flanked by leaders from the city’s gay and Muslim communities, Mr. Adams emphasized that Mr. Sibley’s killing was not evidence of hatred directed at L.G.B.T.Q. people by Muslims in New York, and spoke about how both groups have been victims of hate. The two communities “stand united against fighting any form of hate in this city,” he said.

    This reminds me of the time the mayor of NYC or the governor of NY said something to the effect of “Anyone who doesn’t support abortion rights isn’t welcome in New York and should leave!” and my immediate thought was “Okay, so when are the Pakistanis, ardent Catholic Latinos and Orthodox Jews going to be asked to leave? You certainly won’t be exiling many straight white men.”.

    They keep thinking the face of hate has blue eyes and a North West European name. As Steve has noted many times the more North West European and the less recent the immigrant ancestry a person in America has, the less ethnocentric and live and let live they are. We all understand this emotionally but intellectually we’re not allowed to understand it.

  76. J.Ross says:

    OT — Why do we suck now?

    The current ideologically-based power structure of the West outright requires that certain types of people be in positions of influence and certain types of people be sidelined. This applies to all steps of the social ladder; from kindergarten teachers to university teachers and corporate executives, and all the way up to the leaders of society itself. This has been progressing steadily for the last five decades or so, and has resulted in a major structural problem for the West. That problem is the obvious and massive degradation and misallocation of human capital in the West.

    https://gaiusbaltar.substack.com/p/why-is-the-west-so-weak-and-russia

    • Replies: @Hunsdon
  77. WIlkey says:
    @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.

    Because even the most liberal interpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment does not protect any rights of any person who is a foreigner living abroad.

    You would think so, but I believe some courts – perhaps the Court – has ruled otherwise.

    Keep in mind that would be the same Court that ruled, in 1982, that states have to provide taxpayer-funded public education to the children of illegal aliens.

    The best the US could probably get away with doing is banning immigration from countries that are Muslim-majority. And even that might not pass the Court, if it decided that the government was using country-of-origin as a proxy for religion.

    A hundred years or so ago we could have easily barred Muslims from immigrating. But that was back when this country was still reasonably sane.

  78. Mr. Adams emphasized that Mr. Sibley’s killing was not evidence of hatred directed at L.G.B.T.Q. people by Muslims in New York, and spoke about how both groups have been victims of hate. 

    So it’s another “brownoid commits violence, White men at fault” claim. White men have super mind control powers that induce nonwhites to commit violence and terrorism. Nonwhites have no agency, they are mere thralls of the devious White puppetmaster with unparalleled psychic powers.

  79. @JohnnyWalker123

    I knew Canada had invasion problems of its won, but I hadn’t known the numbers were THAT high until reading this, Johnny. I take it this was a commenter, but this u/Rain_Coast fellow was somewhat I would have wanted to read more from until this contradiction:

    I have no interest in sticking around to see what my frankly quite-racist and generally ignorant countrymen get up to, when they decide it’s the nationality of the millions of warm bodies we’re pumping into the country who are to blame for what happens here over the next few years – rather than blaming the politicians…

    versus:

    After decades of these politicians pushing the rhetoric that any criticism of immigration is “racist”, the blowback here is going to be extremely severe.

    WTF?!

    1) Yes, you can put the blame on the pols., but you can’t come to them to fix it. You’ve got to deal with the invading peoples in question, name-calling or not.

    2) Which is it? Is it racist to criticize immigration or not?* The guy started out very good with the facts, but it turned out he’s a dumbass.

    .

    * The answer shouldn’t matter anyway, if you’re serious about this problem.

    • Replies: @Corn
  80. @epebble

    Not very well, which is why it should be tied to race. Middle Eastern countries shouldn’t be barred from immigration because of Islam, they should be barred because their inhabitants aren’t White. A lot of conservatives don’t want to admit that, but a Muslim ban is to keep browns out. They should stop trying to satisfy the jackals who won’t them dead and make a full-throated case for racial exclusion. But they won’t do that as long as jews are funding the GOP.

    • Agree: anonymouseperson
  81. And the Mayor has other plans for NYC: Favelas

    NYC may house 95,000 migrants in Central Park …

    https://americanmilitarynews.com/2023/08/nyc-may-house-95000-migrants-in-central-park-and-other-parks/

  82. @WIlkey

    “Keep in mind that would be the same Court that ruled, in 1982 …”

    Thomas is the most senior member of the current Court and he was appointed in 1991. So in a way it is a different Court.

  83. Hibernian says:

    Archie Bunker IV

    Gloria and Mike’s grandson?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  84. @WIlkey

    Keep in mind that would be the same Court that ruled, in 1982, that states have to provide taxpayer-funded public education to the children of illegal aliens.

    Those aliens were living in the U.S. The Fourteenth Amendment reads thus:

    nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    Notice that it says “person” in this section and not “citizen.” Of course, the original intent of that was obviously only to secure the rights of citizens, but a plausible interpretation (though an specious, textualist one) would hold it to apply to any person residing in the US regardless of legal status.

    By no reasonable stretch of the imagination, though, could constitutional rights rights be interpreted as applying to noncitizens residing abroad.

    The best the US could probably get away with doing is banning immigration from countries that are Muslim-majority. And even that might not pass the Court, if it decided that the government was using country-of-origin as a proxy for religion.

    A hundred years or so ago we could have easily barred Muslims from immigrating. But that was back when this country was still reasonably sane.

    Prior to Trump’s SCOTUS pics, I would have agreed. SCOTUS was coming close to abandoning any pretense of the rule of law and declaring itself a second branch of the legislature. But things are different now.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    , @Almost Missouri
  85. epebble says:
    @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.

    Is there any precedent under which federal government has discriminated (negatively) based on the religion of a person? I know there have been instances of positive discrimination.

    e.g. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1158

  86. @epebble

    How could immigration law be applied to a religion? That would require asking them to state their religion. That has been a no-no since 1789. How will the government deal with someone who has lied?

    Islam is a religion, but it is not only a religion. It is just as much a political creed, a dangerous one, and could be treated exactly like Communism.

    Likewise, banning political parties is undemocratic. But any revival of the NSDAP is banned in Germany– as it was also a criminal gang. There is little difference, if you think about it, between MS-13 and the Democratic Party. The former may even have dealt in slavery, Indian removal, and the bombing of civilians at times.

    • Replies: @Corpse Tooth
    , @Corvinus
  87. epebble says:
    @WIlkey

    banning immigration from countries that are Muslim-majority

    Even that failed spectacularly when enacted through https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13769

    Even respected conservatives/Republicans were aghast, though it was not religious discrimination, at least explicitly.

    • Agree: Wilkey
    • Replies: @Wilkey
  88. J.Ross says:
    @J.Ross

    Follow up to this: BALTAR IS RIGHT. tldr, a successful conspiracy of the incompetant against they who speak to plants. We must wear the outer garment of the law.

  89. @Ralph L

    This song was a huge hit for Madonna, going double platinum.* It was written by a white guy,one Shep Pettibone. He is some kind of mega DJ song remixer.

    Shep: Hey Madonna,I’ve finished the Vogue song!
    Madonna: That’s great,WE’VE finished the Vogue song!
    Shep:We? But I-oh.

    Yes,Madonna shared credit on the song.
    I recall when it came out,Madonna took some flack for ” appropriting” black culture. The song is steeped in “whiteness,” as it references a bunch of stars of yore like Gene Kelly,Fred Astaire,Joltin’ Joe,etc. I didn’t see Hattie McDaniel up in there!
    ” I don’t know nothing’ bout no Vogue!”

    *I don’t know why this was such a big hit,I think it tapped into a ” strain” of culture that women found very appealing. 😮

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  90. Wilkey says:
    @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.

    nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    But do government programs like free public education have anything to do with “equal protection of the laws”? I’m barred from attending classes at the local high school, because I’m 47. Am I being denied “equal protection”? There are about a million other government programs I don’t qualify for, either.

    As it was, the extremely liberal 1982 Court ruled only just barely in favor of the illegals, by 5-4. IIRC, they didn’t even come up with any overall doctrine supporting their decision. It was cobbled together from 3-4 concurring opinions.

    Prior to Trump’s SCOTUS pics, I would have agreed. SCOTUS was coming close to abandoning any pretense of the rule of law and declaring itself a second branch of the legislature. But things are different now.

    I mostly agree, but the current Court seems to be mostly untested on the issue of immigration, and when it has been tested it has not always ruled in favor of the conservative position. If it ever was tested again on the issue of education I fear, even with all of its “conservatives,” it would rule even more strongly in favor of the illegals. This insane notion that we are somehow obligated to provide public benefits to people we are allegedly trying to rid from our country has far deeper roots that it had 40 years ago.

  91. res says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    If true, you’re faster than Wikipedia. He’s still alive over there.

    Not a good metric (though looks correct in this case). See Richard Lynn.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Lynn
    https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/2023/07/eulogy-for-richard-lynn-1930-2023/

    The talk and history at the Wikipedia page are both interesting and entertaining. I guess in The Current Year being canceled extends to acknowledgement of death.

  92. Wilkey says:
    @epebble

    Yes, and the so-called Muslim ban only applied to seven countries, of the 50 or so Muslim-majority countries in the world. It applied to about 12% of the global Muslim population.

    It didn’t apply to Saudi Arabia, despite the fact that most of the 9/11 terrorists came from there. It didn’t apply to Pakistan (origin of the San Bernardino terrorists, and the country that sheltered Bin Laden for a decade).

    • Replies: @BB753
    , @Bill Jones
    , @Mi Mi
  93. res says:
    @dearieme

    And going back still further they were called Mahometans.
    https://www.feelingeurope.eu/Pages/Mohammedans.html

    Muslim is more commonly used today than Moslem, and the term Mohammedan is generally considered archaic or in some cases even offensive. According to the SOED (1973), Mohammedan was in use by 1681, replacing the older term Mahometan that dates back to 1529.

    • Replies: @dearieme
  94. Truth says:
    @J.Ross

    There is a rumor online, that everytime you see the “hoax” death of a celebrity, the person did actually die that day, the next time you see that celebrity, it will be either a clone made from his cells, with his memory uploaded through computer, or someone else wearing a very expensive mask.

  95. SMK says: • Website
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Imagine a US with no blacks, Muslims, and Mestizos/Amerindians. But in 20-years they’ll be the majority.

  96. As the singer sang, “Try That in a Somali Town” …

    • LOL: Hibernian
  97. @JohnnyWalker123

    I spent several months in Vancouver on a job. Beautiful, low crime city. The people were great, the black population was close to zero. As near as 2019 I was still thinking about applying for permanent residency. Unfortunately it seems the Great White North is second only to Ukraine in becoming a feudal, digital prison, globohomo vassal state.

  98. dearieme says:
    @res

    Same word with a trivial difference in spelling

  99. @Reg Cæsar

    “a dangerous one”

    Pauline Christianity is much too pacified to defeat the current Adversary and its army of corporate, financial, and government archons. The West is entirely captured: the countervailing force will have to be generated in the East. That includes Islam. Another reason to become allied with the East: robes. A god worthy of worship would never require men to wear pants.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  100. @epebble

    How could immigration law be applied to a religion? That would require asking them to state their religion. That has been a no-no since 1789. How will the government deal with someone who has lied?

    No. That’s what minoritarians want you to believe, but it’s utter nonsense.

    The 1st Amendment:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    This in no way shape or form prohibits Congress from picking and choosing whom–if anyone at all–to allow to settle in the US–which is properly an entirely a prerogative of the American people. Basically, immigration is a completely political question. (And which the default is properly “no one”, then exceptions made for the rare individuals who would both be compatible, not cause trouble and add value.)

    This bizarre idea that a religious compatibility screen is illegal is, objectively, laughable–both as a matter of Constitutional law and basic practicality. It is entirely a product of Jewish minoritarianism/anti-nationalism–including this “immigration is a right!” idea–that has been installed as part of minoritarian replacement constitution. The coup against America.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  101. BB753 says:
    @Wilkey

    India has the third largest population of Muslims in the world. Banning immigration from India would be a great move because you avoid discrimination by religion, and you get to stop more Indians from immigrating from the second largest country on earth soon to be the first.

    • Agree: Pastit
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  102. Dmon says:
    @Liza

    “But people still call Pekingese dogs “Peekinese” not Beijingese, AFAIK.”

    I always thought you pronounced the hard g, as in “Peking Geese”. I figured it referred to the kind of meat you were getting if you ordered Peking Duck in a low end Chinese restaurant. Nice change from the Kung Pao Kitten.

    • Replies: @Liza
  103. @J.Ross

    Clint is in the quantum celebrity state. Nobody knows if he’s alive or dead until someone looks him and flips the state.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  104. Corn says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    That Reddit thread was eye-opening as to Canadian economics, but the hundreds of replies were also interesting. Dozens of Reddit liberals acknowledging that immigration was a problem but hoping they’re not -and hoping they won’t think of themselves- as racist.

    Also that thread reinforces my belief that it’s meaningless to be called “fascist” anymore. Some of those Reddiots in that thread clearly define anyone to the right of center-left as fascist.

  105. @AnotherDad

    ‘…Muslims is particular–the historic enemy civilization of the West–obviously do not belong in the West. Letting them invade is just nuts. It’s literally “duh” territory…’

    Meh. I think we should bar all immigrants, regardless of race, creed of color — but if it comes down to it, I’d rather have Turks than Hindus, for example. I’ve really nothing in particular against Muslims.

    …the whole thing leads me somewhere I don’t want to go, since I don’t want anyone coming here, but I’ll point out that Mexicans and Central Americans are actually relatively tolerable since they have a pretty good idea of what America is, and generally want to join it. You just have to get used to the idea of people being somewhat shorter and browner than they used to be.

    After that, well…no subsaharan Africans, that much should be obvious. I think the further people are from Western Europe, the more alien they are — but ‘Christian’ Romanians can be just as bad as ‘Muslim’ Turks, if not worse. I don’t want Moroccans — but I don’t want Hmong either. It’s got little to do with religion.

    • Agree: bomag
  106. Mr. Anon says:
    @Arclight

    To steal a phrase, much of our largest news outlets reporting is geared around which facts the public shouldn’t know, lest it reflect unfavorably upon the left and its shibboleths.

    As the saying goes:

    The media used to tell you what happened and you had to decide what you thought about it.

    Now they tell you what to think about something, and you have to decide if it happened.

  107. @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.

    Notice that it says “person” in this section and not “citizen.” Of course, the original intent of that was obviously only to secure the rights of citizens, but a plausible interpretation (though an specious, textualist one) would hold it to apply to any person residing in the US regardless of legal status.

    As I recall, some States had deemed slaves, or blacks in general, not to be citizens, e.g., “bondsmen”. So the Fourteenth Amendment said “persons” rather than “citizens” to make it clear that it was giving blacks equal rights and those States couldn’t weasel out by saying, “Oh, but they’re not Citizens!”.

    OTOH, it also says, “within its jurisdiction”, so therefore it obviously doesn’t apply to foreigners, but as FOB* Hawaiian judge Derrick Kahala Watson showed, what 14A actually says has nothing to do with the many uses that the legal Left puts it to.

    The Fourteenth Amendment has been bent out of all recognition by the twentieth century’s legal innovations, and so has been reduced to a handmaid of whatever perversity the legal Left dreams up.

    In the 21st century, the Supreme Court, led by Justice Thomas has halted a few of the Left’s misuses of 14A, and Thomas has signaled a willingness to roll back more of the abuses. But it takes five Justices to do that, and the three communist Justices will never cooperate, Roberts is unreliable, and the three Trump appointees have so far not proven themselves. Besides Thomas, only Alito is stalwart.

    ———

    *Friend Of Barack

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  108. @Old Prude

    Elections are supposed to be up to the legislatures and the governors to set up and run appropriately. Judges don’t really like wading into election disputes. They don’t have a bunch of populist constituents to back them up and don’t command an army. Bush-Gore-Florida is the first time I can remember people hanging on a court decision to see who wins an election. The US was not formerly a banana republic so this is kind of new territory.

  109. @AnotherDad

    ‘Muslims is particular–the historic enemy civilization of the West–obviously do not belong in the West. Letting them invade is just nuts. It’s literally “duh” territory.’

    Then how do you account for the saying, ‘better the Turk than the Frank’ being so prevalent among Greeks of the late Middle Ages? For their part, as early as the Second Crusade, ‘the Franks’ avowed their preference for the Turks rather than the Greeks.

    While Islam hardly belongs in the West, this Islamophobia is something dreamed up and pushed on us by Zionists. There’s nothing in particular wrong with Islam. To say it’s ‘the historic enemy civilization of the West’ amounts to little more than saying it’s the one that happens to be next door.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  110. @The Anti-Gnostic

    Who cares if the election was rigged…Ashley Babbit was a retard lesbian murdered by a nonwhite LEGAL IMMIGRANT…

    When the elections are this close it means next 4 election cycles the Democrats win decisively for racial reasons…

    I defy any of Steve’s readers to tell me that Trump doesn’t hate the NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN WORKING CLASS….Trump serves the Jews and nobody else…

  111. OT:

    August 6, 1945:

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  112. @dearieme

    To which I might reply that Buddhists don’t worship Buddha, his being a Teacher, not a God.

    Some do, but that’s paganism, not Buddhism, which is more a philosophical school.

    • Agree: JimDandy
    • Thanks: dearieme
  113. @J.Ross

    Let’s hope people don’t wish you dead based on the quality of your filmography.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  114. @Adolf Smith

    Yes,Madonna shared credit on the song.

    Mariah Carey lately has been taking all the credit for “All I Want for Christmas is You”, despite the rather obvious fact that, barely out of her teens, she was very much the junior partner to her Brazilian producer. It wouldn’t matter, except that AIW4XiU is about the only post-1970 Christmas song one could imagine hearing on the radio before 1960, when they still knew how to create standards.

  115. @I, Libertine

    Is anybody else who comments here old enough to remember when the English word for an adherent of Islam was “Moslem”? Why did it change?

    Not only did the spelling change, but the pronunciation of Muslim has gone from “muz-” to “mooz-” to “mooss-” over the years. It makes me want to go back to Mussulman, or even Saracen.

    Closer to home, what’s with the pronunciation of result, ultimate, multiple, etc? When did the U change from that of cull and lull to that of pull and full? You hear this a lot on business podcasts, videos, lectures, etc. IIRC (it’s been a few weeks), Mark Rober on YouTube is as bad on this sound as JJ McCullough is with his hyper-Canuck out-and-about thing.

    Is this a West Coast thing, a “generational” change, or what?

    • Replies: @dearieme
    , @Ben tillman
  116. Gordo says:

    Musselmen they used to be called I believe.

    And any interaction between Musselmen and black rent boys might bear close examination.

  117. @Reg Cæsar

    However, his love life is there for all to see. Clint is an honorary black.

    Sort of. He’s not exactly–that epitome of eugenics–Desmond Hatchett. Eastwood actually supported–his numerous kids. (As far as we know and excepting the early adoptee.)

    He’s really just the classic rich, high-status “alpha” who appeals to women. But like another notable alpha with children from multiple women–Trump–while Eastwood has a lot of affairs and a lot of kids, the actually “yield” from the women is pretty low.

    Going by wikipedia, Eastwood had two kids with his first wife and two from the stewardess. But just one from the Roxanne Tunis (the dancer and Rawhide stuntwoman), one from Frances Fisher, just one from Dina, his newscaster 2nd wife, and zero from Sandra Locke. And as far as I can tell, none of them had children with anyone else. So for these six women he is known to have been with for a number of years–seven kids. TFR–1.17. Not South Korea, but something like Singapore.

    Eastwood’s a very well put together guy, but he has taken some pretty attractive women and not done much with them. For instance, he married the–quite fetching–newscaster gal when she was 29 and in 19 years with her … one kid. Meeting lots of media folks and various movers and shakers, she should have been able to find a high quality husband and had three. Same with Trump. Only one kid from all-American girl Marla Maples. Only one kid from all-Slovenian girl Melania. That’s a waste of scarce resources.

    • Agree: Pixo, Pastit
  118. Pixo says:
    @WIlkey

    “ You would think so, but I believe some courts – perhaps the Court – has ruled otherwise.”

    Foreigners do not directly have any immigration or visa rights. However, a loophole that sounds semi reasonable has now swallowed the rule: US citizens have rights related to entry of foreigners. For example, the sound doctrine of consular nonreviewability has an exemption when the foreigner is related to an American who wants to import his wife or child.

    We can hope the Supreme Court will close the loophole, but Roberts and all three of Trump’s justices are suspect.

    Ironically the best were appointed by the pro-migration Bushes: Thomas and Alito.

  119. @Jim Don Bob

    IME Asians in Toronto and New York (and elsewhere) act as though it’s their country now and we are the interlopers. We whose families built these nations from scratch.

    It’s particularly grating when they are staffing the immigration checkpoints and act as though your passport or driver’s license is extremely suspect.

  120. @Stan Adams

    Yeah, it’s Hiroshima Day–now “Oppenheimer Day”.

    Truth is the US slaughtered lots of Japanese civilians well before the nuclear bombings.

    In Germany the US could at least pretend it was bombing an oil refinery or a steel mill or a ball bearing plant or a railyard, and kind of sort of try to do so, although the reality, anyone within a mile or so was effectively the target. And even then there were these firebombing raids Hamburg and notoriously the British bombing of Dresden.

    But in Japan, there was a lot of “workshop industry”. War production not just in recognizable factories, but in small workshops spread throughout essentially wooden cities. If the US was going to attack war production, then it was really just goinging to be bombing and burning Japanese cities. And that is what the US did once they had the B-29. The March Tokyo firebombing raid was equally or more deadly than the nuclear attacks. And that was one night. And we kept it up.

    Nuclear weapons have been a big benefit to mankind in suppressing the possibility of a repeated of the sort of mass global slaughter of the War. And the insane arms race spending–and mandatory service–of major powers to be ready for such a war. It’s a bit like a teenager getting the keys to the car. Now you need to grow up and act responsibly. Something that all the major powers should have done–but failed to do in 1914 and 1939.

    War obviously continues. But the great powers have managed to confine themselves to bullying small fry and side show skirmishing and avoid escalating to all the chips on the table war.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    , @Reg Cæsar
  121. @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.

    Ontario now has a per capita GDP on par with Alabama.

    Is this legit? If so, it’s somewhere between incredible and horrifying.

    Canada used to be something like the USA without so many of its worst vices. No more, apparently. Of course, the USA is worse now too.

  122. epebble says:
    @Jim Don Bob

    Malaysia, Singapore and Brunei are SE Asian countries in Commonwealth.

  123. Curle says:
    @J.Ross

    What will news report when Elvis and Jim Morrison die?

  124. O’Shae Sibley = Is as-hole. Bye!

  125. epebble says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    If William Barr (Trump’s Attorney General) believes there is no fraud, should he be trusted or suspected to be a deep stater or a Democrat/Biden supporter? Is Facilitate Increased In-Person and Absentee Voting, presumably in locales with lower propensity of voting, illegal or an irregularity?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  126. @Wilkey

    It didn’t apply to Saudi Arabia, despite the fact that most of the 9/11 terrorists came from there.

    It’s good to see the old jokes every once in a while.

  127. dearieme says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    One I’ve come to loathe is “advancement” for “advance”. Or the misplacing of “below” as in “the below graph” instead of “the graph below”.

    One I’ve started to chuckle at is the American Redundant Preposition (though it might better be called a postposition).

    Thus, it used to be that a sailor would moor, now he moors up; a driver would park, now he parks up. “Up” seems to be the favourite though I’ve also spotted “out” and “in”. Is “down” used in the same way?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Ralph L
  128. @Corpse Tooth

    Pauline Christianity is much too pacified to defeat the current Adversary and its army of corporate, financial, and government archons.

    Thirteen million Jews aren’t that powerful.

    The West is entirely captured: the countervailing force will have to be generated in the East. That includes Islam.

    Islam means “submission”. Yours. No ally is worth that. No one who demands that is an ally.

    A god worthy of worship would never require men to wear pants.

    Are you one of those officers with a mirror on a stick, checking to see that the kilted are indeed going regimental?

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @HammerJack
  129. Hunsdon says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    YAA: Be careful, man. You’re going to call the wrath of John Johnson down on yourself.

  130. @AnotherDad

    After 9/11 I heard some TV commentator proclaim that “the destruction of the World Trade Center is one of the greatest war crimes in the history of humanity!”

    During World War II it would have been just another drop of blood in the River Styx.

  131. Hunsdon says:
    @J.Ross

    I read that when it was crossposted to Larry Johnson’s Sonar21.com page.

  132. @BB753

    India has the third largest population of Muslims in the world. Banning immigration from India would be a great move because you avoid discrimination by religion, and you get to stop more Indians from immigrating from the second largest country on earth soon to be the first.

    Unnecessarily complicated and pointless.

    The US has more than enough people. (Our population has more than doubled during my lifetime and the joint is noticeably more crowded.)

    The correct, straightforward and easily “saleable” immigration fix is “Enough!!!” “We have enough people and do not need to be importing anymore. Rather we need to preserve opportunities, jobs, housing … and space–for our own children and grandchildren.”

    Furthermore if we are running in fear of “discrimination!” then we’ve already lost.

    “Discrimination” is a good thing. Identifying and choosing particular people, things, ideas that are beneficial over those that are not–discrimination–is the most important human skill. And “discrimination” used to be understood that way–a positive quality, a sign of good sense and good taste.

    Conservatives can not win, by trying to play within the minoritarians’ anti-civilizational rule-book. Either we throw out the minoritarians and their toxic ideology and then can work to recover and preserve our civilization …. or we die.

    • Agree: BB753
  133. @Hibernian

    He’d still have to be Archie Stivck, III., if anything. He could be Meathead the 3rd, in a long line of Meatheads to come from that crowd… the Reiners and that “cup of coffee a day” broad …

    ;-}

  134. @Stan Adams

    LOL yep. Two world wars, a literal speck. Millions and millions dead and the West disappears into the twilight.

  135. @WIlkey

    The economy is expanding to meet the needs of expanding economy.

  136. Liza says:
    @Dmon

    LOL! (Sort of.)

    No, when you are referring to the mutt, I don’t think you say that hard G, but let’s wait on some prominent member of the Westminster Kennel Club to show up here and tear a strip off my hide.

  137. @AnotherDad

    And even then there were these firebombing raids Hamburg and notoriously the British bombing of Dresden.

    Rebecca Grant of Air Force Magazine (now Air & Space Forces Magazine; does that make her “establishment”?) suggests that it was in the interests of several different and antagonistic sides to blow up exaggerate the impact of Dresden:

    This legend of Dresden was part history, part propaganda, and part outright myth. Other cities such as Berlin and Hamburg suffered far worse attacks. Still, Dresden has surpassed them in the public mind as a symbol of brutal conventional bombing and morally questionable target selection. Only Hiroshima and Nagasaki have higher revulsion quotients…

    Although this was Dresden’s first heavy attack, the tonnage was not high by Bomber Command standards. For example, Cologne, Hamburg, and Frankfurt-am-Main had all been bombed with mixes including 3,800 to 4,100 tons of incendiaries, more than triple Dresden’s totals. The total of 7,100 tons of bombs of all types dropped on Dresden during the war hardly compared to the 67,000 tons of bombs that fell on Berlin or the 44,000 tons on Cologne.

    “a title=”https://www.airandspaceforces.com/article/1004dresden/” href=”https://www.airandspaceforces.com/article/1004dresden/”>The Dresden Legend

  138. Hibernian says:
    @jimmyriddle

    Thet beilieve in at most one God andd address their prayers to Whom It May Concern.

  139. @Liza

    Like Peking and Beijing, I guess. It always was supposed to be pronounced Bay-Jing, but most methods of transliteration are hopelessly stupid, clumsy and unworkable to all but linguists.

    The initial consonant, written P in the old system and B in the new, is actually an unaspirated, voiceless bilabial plosive. It’s essentially the P of French. In English, P is aspirated and unvoiced, and B voiced and unaspirated. The aspirated and unaspirated are written P and B in pinyin, P’ and P in the earlier system.

    The middle consonant is just as weird to us. Something like the soft Slavic D, as in the Russian gde. The final consonant, mercifully, is the same as English. Of course, both vowels take tones. So four of the five phonemes are unpronounceable to English speakers.

    I tell people I say “Peking” because I can never get the tones right! (The local university agrees.)

    Ironically, the most unique phoneme in English, our R, is only heard in one other major language. That happens to be Mandarin Chinese, specifically in the Peking dialect.

    • Replies: @Liza
  140. @dearieme

    “Park up” is completely new to me. What’s annoying is the redundancies, e.g., continue on.

    Edwin Newman was a newsman who was kind of our own Lynne Truss back in the 1970s. He complained about different than; it was supposed to be different from. (Though than fits better when followed by a clause: “Steve looks happier than he did last week.”)

    I’ve been following British popular culture since the Beatles and Bond. I don’t remember ever noticing different to before the last few years. Is this a new development, or a class or dialect thing that has spread to the whole land?

  141. @JohnnyWalker123

    Canada has been an immigration disaster since 1967, when the country was 98.4% white. At that time the country had about 28,000 Negroes. This would have been about 280,000 on an American scale, not the 40,100,000 you actually have.

  142. @MM

    Just over 50% of Canada’s population lives on just 1% of its territory. Imagine half of all Americans living in just South Carolina for way of comparison. Canada like Australia is a huge country but false, in the sense that all that land constitutes useful living space. Canada is like a super-Alaska, which is also mostly empty. New Zealand has more arable land then Australia despite being only 5% its size.

    • Replies: @sb
  143. @Jim Don Bob

    Must point out that one of the reasons Canada, (and to a lesser degree Australia) opened its doors to nonwhite’s was precisely because of our membership in the so-called “commonwealth” (Where’s the ‘common’?) The brown and black country members complained about not being allowed to immigrate here and called us “racist”. It was thought by the idiots in power that allowing Indians and Jamaicans into the country would make us popular in the commonwealth. (that and a quarter would buy a hapless white Canadian a cup of coffee).

  144. @dearieme

    Whatever their faults, Muslims in fact do not worship mohammed. Calling them mohammedans was always inaccurate and petulant.

  145. Liza says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Well. I hope you are one of those linguists who really do understand what transliteration should be about.

    Ironically, the most unique phoneme in English, our R, is only heard in one other major language. That happens to be Mandarin Chinese, specifically in the Peking dialect.

    So you can tell the difference between English attemps to roll the R VS Slavic R? Boy, you are way ahead of me on these matters.

    Seems to me the real issue is not how the natives say a word (obviously they’ve got it correct) but how we say their proper names over here in our day to day conversations. It is pretentious to try and copy the natives when we simply can’t do it right, so we have to fall back on Cologne, Warsaw, Paris, Kiev (Key-ev), Moscow, Russia, etc. What say you…

    I tell people I say “Peking” because I can never get the tones right! (The local university agrees.)

    That is most interesting, from the photo, that they’d cater to English speakers in this way; are they not aware that “Beijing” is at least a half hearted attempt on our part to get it right. Or do they think we buy the old transliteration.

    Mind you, it may just be a matter of time before their universities will be everywhere here and this will be irrelevant. 🙂

  146. are they not aware that “Beijing” is at least a half hearted attempt on our part to get it right.

    “Right” in English would be Peking. Or Peiping or Pekin. Pekin, Illinois was named for the city (similar latitude, I think). Their high school’s mascot was for many years the Chink.

    Peking is based on the Cantonese pronunciation. It’s fine as an exonym. And only the most important cities rate an exonym, so they should be proud. I love how my native city and state is Nova Iorque in Portuguese. So do Brazilians, as they have one of their own

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    , @Liza
  147. • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  148. @RadicalCenter

    It was a riposte to the term “Nazarite” for Christian; viz Moslems and Jews do not acknowledge the divinity of Christ, so they mockingly called Christians Nazarites, i.e. worshipers of the Nazarene, Jesus. The correct Arabic pronunciation of “Muslim” means “[a person who] submits [to God]” and since Christians did not acknowledge Islamic faith as proper submission to God, they too found workarounds for it. It’s all so zany and tiresome.

  149. @Stan Adams

    Or a slow day in Dresden

    • Agree: Ben tillman
  150. @Reg Cæsar

    But We’ll always have Paris.

  151. @Pentheus

    The potential for violence is a subtext for all male interaction.It’s the reason so much outrageous behavior originates on the distaff side.

  152. Wielgus says:
    @Colin Wright

    Oh yes. They promote Muslims as The Other – perhaps in case other candidates are put forward?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  153. @Jim Don Bob

    My Dad was born in Saskatchewan in 1923. The family moved to Ontario a few years later. He told me that the first time he saw a black man was in a department store in Toronto. He and his sister were so amazed that they followed him around the store in wonderment.

  154. @HammerJack

    Is this legit?

    I would guess so. The Post is one of Canada’s major papers.

    Canada used to be something like the USA without so many of its worst vices. No more, apparently. Of course, the USA is worse now too.

    Back during the ’70’s, the chattering classes here called Toronto “The City That Works”, to contrast it with our own urban hellscapes like the South Bronx. Others described it as “New York run by the Swiss”.

    That’s all gone with the wind, now.

  155. Ralph L says:
    @dearieme

    The recent one I hate is “gifted” for “gave” or “given.” It’s worse than people pronouncing the t in often. Who started this shit?

    • Agree: Ben tillman
    • LOL: Liza
    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  156. @J.Ross

    Only thing is, I’ve been reading about the Coming Chinese Economic Collapse for 15 years now.

    Remember the Ghost Cities that were going to bankrupt them?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under-occupied_developments_in_China

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  157. @Stan Adams

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Wilhelm_Gustloff

    These were mostly civilian refugees from East Prussia.

    German forces were able to rescue 1,252 people: the torpedo boat T36 rescued 564; the torpedo boat Löwe, 472; the minesweeper M387, 98; the minesweeper M375, 43; the minesweeper M341, 37; the steamer Göttingen, 28; the torpedo recovery boat (Torpedofangboot) TF19, 7; the freighter Gotenland, two; and the patrol boat (Vorpostenboot) V1703, one baby.[16] Thirteen survivors died later. All four captains on Wilhelm Gustloff survived her sinking, but an official naval inquiry was only initiated against Lieutenant Commander Zahn. His degree of responsibility was never resolved, however, because of Nazi Germany’s collapse in 1945.[21]

    The figures from Schön’s research make the loss in the Wilhelm Gustloff sinking to be “9,343 men, women and children”.[22] His more recent research is backed up by estimates arrived at by a different method. An Unsolved History episode that aired in March 2003,[3] on the Discovery Channel, undertook a computer analysis of the sinking. Using Maritime Exodus software,[23] it estimated that 9,600 people died out of more than 10,600 on board, by taking into account passenger density based on witness reports, and a simulation of escape routes and survivability with the timeline of the sinking…based on the latest estimates of passenger numbers and those known to be saved, Wilhelm Gustloff remains by far the largest loss of life resulting from the sinking of a single vessel in maritime history.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Hannibal

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
  158. @JohnnyWalker123

    That information would be more interesting if we knew the relationship between gurus, esedi gurus, and akce.

    I’d tend to think Circassian girls were top dollar (harem favourites in Ottoman Turkey) but maybe Roma gypsy women have charms that are certainly lacking in their males.

    https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/birmingham-gang-25k-argos-store-27465203

    Stanchu has 11 previous convictions for 27 offences including the burglary of a jewellers while Samson has one previous convictions for two offences of burglary and theft.

    Ungureanu has nine previous convictions for 12 offences; Tanase has one previous conviction for an offence of shoplifting. Voicu and Cosma have no previous convictions.

    David Singh, representing dad-of-three Cosma said his client was from Romania and had been working in a factory since arriving in the UK four years ago. He added that one of Cosma’s children had a very serious medical condition and his motivation for getting involved in the burglaries had been a financial one.

    Dad-of-four Tanase has been in the UK for eight years with settled status in the country, said his counsel Ashanti-Jade Walton, adding that he’d lost his job in a warehouse after being charged. She added that he was “unable to forgive himself for letting his children down”.

    Georgia Donohue representing dad-of-three Stanchu said he was ill with heart issues and cirrhosis of the liver. She said the defendant’s wife did not speak or read English and is “isolated” without him.

    Dad-of-five Samson has been living in the UK for 10 years and “bitterly regrets” his actions, the court was told. Ungureanu, from Romania, has been working as a labourer in the UK but his wife and eight children have now returned to live in their native country, the court heard.

  159. @Ralph L

    “It’s worse than people pronouncing the t in often. Who started this shit?”

    So you say “offen”? Do get mad at people who don’t call the book place a “liberry”?

  160. J.Ross says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Yes certainly but I like the detail in that piece.

  161. Art Deco says:
    @epebble

    Barr also professes to believe that Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide. There is no indication he seriously investigated any of these questions. Too inconvenient.
    ==
    Here’s a suggestion: Barr auditioned, successfully, to be re-instated to the position of Attorney-General in order to head off a general purge of the department which might have been in the offing due to Andrew Weissmann’s scamming around. He’s a protector of crooked institutions.

    • Agree: Ron Mexico, Ben tillman
  162. The NY Daily News says he’s a Christian

    Nor is the suspect Muslim, the grandmother said. A witness to the violence said people with the suspect identified themselves as Muslim.

    The suspect is “a Christian and belongs to the church. He wears a cross,” the grandmother told the Daily News. “The news says he hates Black people, but his older brother has married a black woman. We have a grandchild who is Black. He does not understand gay or not gay.”

    https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-cops-charge-teen-who-killed-gay-dancer-brooklyn-oshae-sibley-hate-crime-20230805-w274d7wfunf3jkxvn4mg65juuy-story.html

  163. Corvinus says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    “For example, does anyone think it’s totally normal that a leftist oligarch (Zuckerberg) was put in charge of counting the votes in the key swing districts in the key swing states?”

    Patently false.

    https://www.npr.org/2020/12/08/943242106/how-private-money-from-facebooks-ceo-saved-the-2020-election

    Trnmp told aides privately that he lost.

    His lawyers were excoriated in open court fir frivolous lawsuits.

    Investigations in Arizona and Wisconsin showed no widespread voter fraud as claimed.

    Fox paid billions to Dominion for their lies about its voting machines.

    Sydney Powell has yet to provide evidence that the U.S. Army seized servers in Germany that changed voters from Trump to Biden.

    Yet you blindly insist the Election of 2020 was rigged. We know it was not the case.

    Why do you still outright lie? Who pays you?

  164. To be fair, I’ve never seen anyone dancing at a gas station, so I don’t know how I might react

  165. @YetAnotherAnon

    A three-year-old boy named Hans Gudegast survived that sinking.

    In the ‘60s, he moved to Hollywood and won a starring role on a TV show called The Rat Patrol. He played a German tank commander during the campaign in North Africa.

    In the ‘70s he changed his name to Eric Braeden. He did an episode of Kolchak: The Night Stalker. He played a werewolf (!) stalking passengers on a cruise ship.

    In the ‘80s he became a fixture on The Young and the Restless.

    In the ‘90s he played John Jacob Astor in James Cameron’s Titanic.

  166. Corvinus says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    “Islam is a religion, but it is not only a religion. It is just as much a political creed, a dangerous one, and could be treated exactly like Communism”

    Under what constitutional authority, case law, and court decisions are you able to cite that would lend support your contention that immigration law be applied to a religion?

    I mean, you’ve thought this carefully through, right?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Ben tillman
  167. J.Ross says:
    @al gore rhythms

    Opposite example: Roman Polanski. Awful human, awesome director.

  168. J.Ross says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    This koan baffles me. Therefore, consult Levi.

  169. J.Ross says:
    @Corvinus

    I have actually taken every course offered by Wayne State University of Detroit, Michigan (look up “Dearborn”) regarding Islam, and I am telling you and everyone that if you have not read the first hundred pages of Catastrophic Failure then you know nothing about Islam.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  170. @Corvinus

    “Trnmp told aides privately that he lost.”

    And so now you suddenly consider Trump to be a reliable determiner of facts.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  171. Mi Mi says:
    @Wilkey

    It’s a de facto muslim ban because there are not many refugees from saudi arabia. One muslim stabs somebody as a hate crime against gays and now all muslims are responsbile. Many more people are harmed by latino gangs and drug traffickers than by muslim immigrants ,in america. Stop lying. Alqaeda and the saudi regime were enemies. We sided with the regime and were attacked for that.[military bases in their homeland as one reason. San bernadino as the result of hate directed at the couple because they are muslims. Boston bombers was retaliation for all the bombs we droppped in muslim countries.Pakistan govt and people ar enot the same,So what they sheltered OBL!

  172. @RadicalCenter

    I’ve had hundreds of Muslim students and most of them were named Mohammed, so there’s that.

  173. @Reg Cæsar

    Thirteen million Jews aren’t that powerful.

    Yeah, so we keep hearing. However, only a few thousand are actually required, as long as they control the levers of power.

  174. @Reg Cæsar

    I have never encountered the “u” phenomenon you mention in Texas or elsewhere.

  175. @Corvinus

    There is no need for any such authority. A sovereign can exclude anyone from its territory for any reason or no reason at all.

  176. @Corvinus

    You’re a moron. Everything you wrote could be true, and the election could still be (and was) rigged. They cheated in lots of other ways, as has been amply proven and — in some cases — admitted self-congratutorily. See the Time article.

    • LOL: Corvinus
  177. @Corvinus

    Breaking headline: Guy who has never in his life held a position of power talks like he knows how power operates. Film at eleven.

  178. sb says:
    @anonymouseperson

    New Zealand has more arable land than Australia?
    I don’t think so.
    These factoids are so easy to look up.
    You should try it some time.

  179. Corvinus says:
    @J.Ross

    “I have actually taken every course offered by Wayne State University of Detroit, Michigan (look up “Dearborn”) regarding Islam”

    Pics or it never happened–Steve Sailer

    “and I am telling you and everyone that if you have not read the first hundred pages of Catastrophic Failure then you know nothing about Islam.”

    The book is authored by a Deep State operative. I thought we cannot trust anyone from the intelligence arm of the federal government? But I am curious as to what was your impression of his account of Islam. Do tell.

  180. Corvinus says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    “And so now you suddenly consider Trump to be a reliable determiner of facts.”

    70+ million said differently, chump.

    “Breaking headline: Guy who has never in his life held a position of power talks like he knows how power operates. Film at eleven.”

    Don’t be too hard on yourself. Some day, you will be head french frier at Burger King.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  181. Anon[364] • Disclaimer says:
    @bomag

    They both lost. One’s dead, the other is headed to a long prison term.

  182. @Wielgus

    ‘Oh yes. They promote Muslims as The Other – perhaps in case other candidates are put forward?’

    Indeed. See ‘Judeo-Christian values.’ Just thinking about the sheer mendacity of that is enough to jump my blood pressure about 20 pints.

    …the irony of it is that the phrase was originally intended to be inclusive. About a hundred years ago it was what well-intentioned American gentiles said when they wanted to let Jews in.

    Now it’s used to keep Muslims out.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  183. @Corvinus

    ‘…Don’t be too hard on yourself. Some day, you will be head french frier at Burger King.’

    And you would know. Right, Corvinus?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  184. Wielgus says:
    @Colin Wright

    I have noticed our Fran at times trying to turn the discussion towards how awful Muslims are, and several proponents of “Eurabia” theories are Jews.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  185. Corvinus says:
    @Colin Wright

    “And you would know. Right, Corvinus?”

    I would. My nephew was in that position. It’s called a summer job. What’s your excuse for remaining unemployed?

  186. Any readers interested in learning how to Vogue, Jacquess Whitfield has a YouTube video on how to do it.

  187. @Wielgus

    ‘I have noticed our Fran at times trying to turn the discussion towards how awful Muslims are, and several proponents of “Eurabia” theories are Jews.’

    This has been going on a long time.

    The Western image of Arabs and Muslims used to be positive, if perhaps misconceived: Grass: a Nation’s Battle for Life is a good example.

    Lawrence of Arabia, Rudolph Valentino…Arabs were cool, if exotic. Knights of the Desert…you can go right back to Sir Walter Scott on that one (The Talisman.)

    Then you get the creation of Israel, and the Zionists start nibbling. By now…would you want your daughter to go out with an Arab?

    • Replies: @CCG
    , @Art Deco
  188. Liza says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    I will never again attempt to debate the erudite. We must know our place. 🙂

    The Chink. Can you imagine if today someone pulled something like that.

  189. CCG says:
    @Colin Wright

    You’re speaking of the Anglosphere. The Iberian peninsula had no such delusions, and saw both Muslims and Jews as two sides of the same anti-Christian coin.

  190. Art Deco says:
    @Colin Wright

    No, Zionists do not ‘start nibbling’. Segments of the Arab population begin behaving in ways which damage the image of Arabs-in-general.
    ==

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