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From the New York Times news section:

Woman Charged With Murder After Claiming Her Daughter Was Terminally Ill

The girl made national headlines while fulfilling a bucket list before she died at age 7 in 2017. Now her diagnoses, and her death, have been called into question.

By Emily S. Rueb and Mariel Padilla
Oct. 23, 2019

After the Make-a-Wish Foundation was told that Olivia Gant, who was 6, had a terminal illness, it made one of her dreams come true. In 2017, the girl was transformed into a superhero Bat Princess for a day so she could save other princesses from evil villains.

A local CBS station in Denver captured a heartwarming scene as Olivia, dressed in a blue Batman mask, shiny purple cape and custom logo, walked through a cheering crowd holding swords above her head and battled with a volunteer dressed as Ursula, Disney’s sea witch from “The Little Mermaid.” Olivia later sang “Part of Your World” with Ariel.

“You could give me all the money in the world, and I would give it back to you to be able to watch this again,” the girl’s mother, Kelly Renee Turner, told reporters at the time.

Six months later, Olivia died after “a long battle to a rare disease” that required “many operations and numerous stays in the hospital,” according to her obituary.

But now the authorities say most of Olivia’s medical problems were made up. Ms. Turner, 41, was arrested Friday on charges of first-degree murder in her daughter’s death, after a yearlong investigation found that she had Olivia treated for conditions the girl did not have and withdrew medical care when Olivia was in hospice. …

An investigation led by the Douglas County Sheriff’s Office revealed that Ms. Turner had a long history of presenting doctors with false diagnoses, while blogging about her daughters’ fictitious medical conditions and soliciting financial support from charitable organizations, individuals and the government.

During one interview with investigators, Ms. Turner, unprompted, brought up Munchausen syndrome by proxy, a mental disorder in which a parent or caretaker induces illness in a child to get attention.

“That has never been my case, like at all, whatsoever,” Ms. Turner said, according to the indictment. “You can talk to anyone.”

If the mom had claimed, however, that her daughter wanted to be Prince Eric from Little Mermaid and demanded medical treatment to make “his” dream come true, that would have been stunning and brave.

 
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  1. the girl was transformed into a superhero [(“]Bat Princess[“)] for a day so she could save other princesses from evil villains

    Let’s take a moment to admire the uncompromising and honest elitistism of this little girl.

    Oh, you’re in trouble? #&&# you, I don’t see a tiara on your dirt-besosckled peasant head!

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
  2. During one interview with investigators, Ms. Turner, unprompted, brought up Munchausen syndrome by proxy

    If you remember the game What’s My Line?, all of the questions were yes/no. Turner should have remembered this and just answered what they asked you. Remember, you can very rarely talk yourself out of trouble with the police, but very easily talk yourself into trouble.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @ScarletNumber

    Turner should have jumped off a high bridge into deep water, carefully avoiding striking anything in the water before she harmed a hair on her little girl’s head. That’s what she should have done.

    , @Cagey Beast
    @ScarletNumber

    That's the key point you took from this story? Man!

  3. It is snide mean spiritied posts like this comparing trans rights to evil that make me so happy that demographics are changing and that white “men” and their insititutions will soon be swept away in to the dustbin of history.

    We need to love each other and promote good things.

    white “men” have proven time and again to promote bad things like gun rights, racism transphobia homophobia mosygyny antisemitism

    This is why we NEED hate speech laws and harsh punishments for hate crimes like hate posting and “trolling”

    That day is coming soon and I cannot wait

    • Disagree: Hail
    • Troll: IHTG
    • Replies: @Richard of Melbourne
    @Tiny Duck

    Great ideas, td. You should bring them in person Down Under, where duck hunting is a popular sport.

    , @nglaer
    @Tiny Duck

    Bad spelling won't be held against one, either.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    , @the grand wazoo
    @Tiny Duck

    Hey fuck face! Go find a safe place to melt down, this ain't it.

    , @Anonymous
    @Tiny Duck

    Tiny,

    If you want snide comments about this sort of story, you really need to check out ‘Black Twitter’ you’ll find it very entertaining and enlightening!

  4. Off-topic – high priestess of privileged racial animosity Afua Hirsch is at it again:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/23/memorial-2007-enslaved-africans-black-history-britain

    So Britain was apparently built on the backs of slaves, which explains why it contained no buildings prior to the start of the slave trade in the 17th century; and one month (8.3% of the year) is not nearly enough to devote to idolising black people, who make up ca. 2.5% of Britain’s population now and probably make up 1% of 1% of the aggregate population of the island over the course of its history and pre-history.

    • Replies: @Altai
    @Rob (London)

    My favourite part of Afua Hirsch is how it all really seems to be down to her feeling less attractive with darker skin and kinky hair. Her editorial on the analysis of WHGs having darker completions than modern European populations under current polygenic SNP analysis (Based on modern reference populations) is like a case study in BPD.

    But she seems to have learned well from Jewish father. She denies the existence of the people of the land when it comes to their pride but they exist with razor sharp definition when it comes to their guilt.

    Like the rest she has that smirk that looks like a little sibling smirking back at an older one when he hits him, knowing he can't really hit him back. I hope she lives to see the day when they do.

    , @Ancient Briton
    @Rob (London)

    Robin Hood had a black sidekick - I saw it in a movie!

    Replies: @nurdle

    , @El Dato
    @Rob (London)

    The Guardian is a pseudo-leftist rag with:

    - Female bitching about oppression
    - Barely veiled insults addressed to the populace they are nominally writing for (who basically in a state of sin for even existing)
    - Mandatory subject matter from the Integrity Initiative on Russia, Assange, US elections, Trump etc.


    I’ve talked to hundreds of black people about what life is like for them in predominantly white spaces.
     
    "Pickin' da cotton in da Milton Keynes be hard hard, Massa Hirsch. We be da workin here since dem Black Romans who killed da Black Celts, we wuz kangs, but now no more, no more."

    Delivering this message to mostly white audiences, no matter how well intentioned [I can see the captive audience], during the first half of Black History Month often makes me feel exoticised. So my survival strategy is to spend the second half in Ghana, whose flag blazes a black star, because here blackness is a source of both pride and normality.
     
    Pride for me but not for you!

    Taking half a black month off in black country white a black flag star because of "white vapors" is certainly rewarding.

    But without the support of the government, £4m is an impossible target to reach. Memorial 2007 has tried repeatedly to secure that support, having reached out to every prime minister from Tony Blair to Boris Johnson. The announcement in 2015 of £50m in support for a Holocaust memorial [in the UK???] raised the group’s hopes.
     
    "If the Cohen can access the shekels, why can't we?"
  5. I wonder how many cases in which the mother thinks her child is gender dysphoric and should transition are cases of Munchausen by proxy.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    @Anon7

    All of them?

    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Anon7

    https://twitter.com/squid_o_war/status/1186856173468880896

    (Re: James Younger)

    , @Gordo
    @Anon7


    I wonder how many cases in which the mother thinks her child is gender dysphoric and should transition are cases of Munchausen by proxy.
     
    All of them and that's being generous, the alternative is that they are just plain evil.
  6. As tragic as the death of an innocent child is, what would be even sadder is if this incident could in any way be exploited to weaken us in our resolve to BELIEVE ALL WOMEN.

    — this message brought to you by some soyboi journalist lackey of a henpecked ugly billionaire

    • LOL: BB753
    • Replies: @Autochthon
    @Abe

    I believe nearly all women, all the time...



    ...are a pain in the ass.

    , @Not Raul
    @Abe

    Believe all women, except the crazy ones.

  7. @Tiny Duck
    It is snide mean spiritied posts like this comparing trans rights to evil that make me so happy that demographics are changing and that white "men" and their insititutions will soon be swept away in to the dustbin of history.

    We need to love each other and promote good things.

    white "men" have proven time and again to promote bad things like gun rights, racism transphobia homophobia mosygyny antisemitism

    This is why we NEED hate speech laws and harsh punishments for hate crimes like hate posting and "trolling"

    That day is coming soon and I cannot wait

    Replies: @Richard of Melbourne, @nglaer, @the grand wazoo, @Anonymous

    Great ideas, td. You should bring them in person Down Under, where duck hunting is a popular sport.

  8. Anon[388] • Disclaimer says:

    So Britain was apparently built on the backs of slaves, which explains why it contained no buildings prior to the start of the slave trade in the 17th century

    One day, in the near future, there will be approved history and then there will be hate speech. You will need a license to practice in the soft sciences and humanities. Historical works will require a nihil obstat from the government and historical works prior to 2024 will be on par with books by Lothrop Stoddard.

  9. I suspect this is more common than people realize. There are too many incentives to pathologize children nowadays for it not to be. If you talk to parents who are on any kind of welfare, lots of them will claim their kids are disabled or suffering from some chronic condition. This entitles them to extra help, free daycare programs, transportation etc.

    If trannyism is added to the list of conditions that merit “assistance” expect a lot of trashy parents to start dressing their kids up as the opposite sex. The only thing that might hold them back would be churches, which still provide a lot of charity programs, cutting them off if they take that step.

    • Agree: Alden
  10. Be honest, Steve. You *LOVE* it when someone in the mainstream mentions you.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    @The Beggar Blogger

    Any Publicity Is Good Publicity!

    Since Steve by nature is not a self promoter (i.e., not an egomaniac), any publicity is especially critical.

  11. The peanut allergy hysteria (which seems to have subsided) was driven by women like this.

    • Replies: @Haruto Rat
    @Anonymous


    The peanut allergy hysteria (which seems to have subsided) was driven by women like this.
     
    Them, and Dan Brown.

    Rémy dying from peanut allergy was perhaps the least plausible episode in Da Vinci Code, despite quite some competition.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Olorin

  12. @Rob (London)
    Off-topic - high priestess of privileged racial animosity Afua Hirsch is at it again:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/23/memorial-2007-enslaved-africans-black-history-britain

    So Britain was apparently built on the backs of slaves, which explains why it contained no buildings prior to the start of the slave trade in the 17th century; and one month (8.3% of the year) is not nearly enough to devote to idolising black people, who make up ca. 2.5% of Britain's population now and probably make up 1% of 1% of the aggregate population of the island over the course of its history and pre-history.

    Replies: @Altai, @Ancient Briton, @El Dato

    My favourite part of Afua Hirsch is how it all really seems to be down to her feeling less attractive with darker skin and kinky hair. Her editorial on the analysis of WHGs having darker completions than modern European populations under current polygenic SNP analysis (Based on modern reference populations) is like a case study in BPD.

    But she seems to have learned well from Jewish father. She denies the existence of the people of the land when it comes to their pride but they exist with razor sharp definition when it comes to their guilt.

    Like the rest she has that smirk that looks like a little sibling smirking back at an older one when he hits him, knowing he can’t really hit him back. I hope she lives to see the day when they do.

  13. I am an adolescent psychiatrist and recently saw an 11yo boy in the hospital who claimed to identify as a girl. After speaking to his father, I could quickly see that the boy’s mother was in fact manipulating the boy to identify as a girl and wear dresses in order to gain sole custody of the boy (based on the fact that father did not accept his purported gender identity). The father went on to describe the myriad instances in which the mother removed the boy from school to attend various doctor’s appointments for vague/false physical complaints. I mentioned “Munchausen by proxy” and the father immediately reported that when they were married, the mother spent significant time reading the DSM and was especially obsessed with Munchausen by proxy. I went on to do a more complete evaluation of the boy and the family dynamics and concluded that the mother indeed was engaging in emotional abuse of the child by using him to fulfill her own needs. I wrote a detailed report saying this and the judge immediately awarded the father sole custody. FYI I practice in SF, CA, so even there it seems many judges will defer to professionals who speak the truth on transgenderism.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Dr G

    That’s a very good thing you were able to do there.

    , @Olorin
    @Dr G

    Good for you, Doc. Especially being in SF, a hotbed of this grotesque biological and psychological experimentation/warfare.


    the mother indeed was engaging in emotional abuse of the child by using him to fulfill her own needs.
     
    This is more widespread than Munchausen per se.

    By that I mean it isn't just a medicalized phenomenon--where mothers/females in control of children can get power by interacting with the medical establishment. We can also find instances of this where abusive women in control of children interact with other social and political establishments as well.

    Schooling comes to mind. From Asian tiger mothers and Jewish mothers who push their offspring mercilessly to perform for grades/awards to black females who abuse their or their offspring's kids for showing any excellence whatever, to the white suburban/urban mothers of "special needs" children with spiraling demands for exceptional attention..."engaging in emotional abuse of the child" "to fulfill her own needs" is quite commonly observed in the Ed Biz. At least in my experience.

    And if my experience in the Ed Biz is any guide, this sort of female, and the males who orbit them, are among those who make up the curriculum by which ALL children can be abused by agents of the Ed Biz, themselves powerful professionals in a feminized environment...that literally gets power from using children.

    The judiciary has been similarly used and made-over by some women who abuse their kids--for instance depriving them of fathers/coherent home lives--for their own reasons.

    This is the primary danger in my mind of "cultural Marxism" or "communism" or whatever you want to call that model of power. When the state has more power than the family, when teachers are agents of the state, and when men have no power whatever (or relinquish it for boyish pursuits...likely because the men in question are descended from the genetic weaklings left over after the 20th century genocides), children often bear the brunt.

    It's also worth bearing in mind that women have a strong social sense and can use it effectively to deploy and manipulate both personal, and social, AND institutional power over others, including children.

    That's likely evolutionary, so my answer isn't the kneejerk "Dark Goddess" misogynistic masturbation we hear so much of lately. Women's superior social sense will deploy institutional power better than men are likely to, and the more they do this, the more feminized those institutions will become. If men are--as I sometimes put it at home--"social retards," then we need to up our game...as we learn to stop abandoning our sons and daughters.

    Unfortunately, there are many men who don't want to go to the trouble of fighting for their children like this, never mind for others' children, as you did.

    In any event I'm glad to see this tranny nonsense getting tied to MxP. That's been my view of it for at least 20 years.
  14. @Rob (London)
    Off-topic - high priestess of privileged racial animosity Afua Hirsch is at it again:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/23/memorial-2007-enslaved-africans-black-history-britain

    So Britain was apparently built on the backs of slaves, which explains why it contained no buildings prior to the start of the slave trade in the 17th century; and one month (8.3% of the year) is not nearly enough to devote to idolising black people, who make up ca. 2.5% of Britain's population now and probably make up 1% of 1% of the aggregate population of the island over the course of its history and pre-history.

    Replies: @Altai, @Ancient Briton, @El Dato

    Robin Hood had a black sidekick – I saw it in a movie!

    • Replies: @nurdle
    @Ancient Briton

    The scene where he throws the scimitar makes the movie worthwhile. That, and Alan Rickman being awesome.

    https://youtu.be/_hS6QH6QU7Y

  15. It’s a shocking account, but The NY Times article seems to be missing some key information.

    Why did medical tests not reveal that the girl was not sick? Why were doctors prescribing treatments for nonexistent conditions?

    The girl was sent to a hospice, treatment was discontinued, and she died.

    If the treatment, which presumably was what was making her ill, was discontinued, and she in fact did not have a terminal disease, what did she die of?

    • Replies: @snorlax
    @Garlic

    "Hospice" and "withdraw medical care" are euphemisms for "pump full of morphine until respiratory failure is induced." (The same as a heroin overdose, or execution by lethal injection).

    , @El Dato
    @Garlic

    I may hypothesize:

    1) Medical-industrial conveyor belt on autopilot
    2) Body completely fucked up by inappropriate treatments

    Meanwhile, from VICE opinion section (is there anything else)?

    our obsession with 'munchausen syndrome by proxy' stinks of misogyny: Netflix's 'The Politician' is the latest show to explore the rare mental health condition

    by Louis Staples, 22 October 2019, 6:00am

    Ja! Jawohl! Es stink!! (Why u use only lowercase for a heading?)


    So why is Munchausen having such an on-screen moment? After all, it is estimated that there are a tiny amount of cases (600 to 1200) in the US every year. Anna Leszkiewicz, culture editor of the New Statesman, wrote last year about what the emergence of this trend says about our “disdain of women” and how the resurgence of the “mother poisoner” is a reflection of current anxieties relating to motherhood. “Western culture, with its simultaneous sanctification and vilification of the feminine, has always relished portraits of terrible mothers and evil, sly female poisoners,” she wrote. “The gulf between society’s standards for motherhood and the reality of what’s possible for a parent is getting wider and wider. It’s no surprise we’ve become intoxicated by Munchausen by proxy, the most disturbing attempt to bridge the abyss.”

    Hannah Davies, deputy TV editor of The Guardian, agrees that there’s likely societal factors driving the “mother poisoner” resurgence. “This could definitely tie into the sense of uncertainty and danger a lot of people feel about the world we’re living in,” she says. “Because what is more dangerous than the person that's meant to be caring for you -- your mother -- hurting you?”

    Although official NHS guidelines on “fabricated or induced illness” suggest that mothers are much more likely to be perpetrators, there seems to be a total absence of men who have Factitious Disorder portrayed as perpetrators in culture. When you consider that men are far more likely to be at the root of familial abuse, popular culture’s obsession with Munchausen by proxy -- one of the few forms of abuse where women are more likely to be perpetrators, which is extremely rare in the first place -- stinks of misogyny.
     

    Ok, that's enough.

    Replies: @black sea, @Autochthon

    , @eugyppius
    @Garlic

    It is a bizarre article from beginning to end. Probably because it is one of those pieces where the actual story, for whatever reason, is being told between the lines.


    But now the authorities say most of Olivia’s medical problems were made up. Ms. Turner, 41, was arrested Friday on charges of first-degree murder in her daughter’s death, after a yearlong investigation found that she had Olivia treated for conditions the girl did not have and withdrew medical care when Olivia was in hospice.

     

    What I get from this is, the mom pulled her daughter's feeding tube and she died. You don't catch a murder one charge on the basis of BS medical complaints.

    During the investigation, several doctors at Children’s Hospital Colorado said Olivia was never found to have a terminal illness, and were “shocked” to learn that Ms. Turner had withdrawn all medical care when Olivia was in hospice. Others disputed the “intestinal failure” as the cause of death. An autopsy conducted on her exhumed body in November 2018 showed “the manner of death is best certified as undetermined,” according to the indictment.

     

    But was Olivia ill at all? The suggestion seems to be: yes, just not deathly ill. Still unexplained is how the kid ever ended up in hospice with the hospital unaware that she was dying. I guess the authorities expected she was being poisoned but the autopsy revealed nothing, so they're left with putting the death down to senseless invasive medical treatment.

    Then this part of the story is totally incomprehensible:


    Although her children had access to health insurance through their father, Ms. Turner falsified documents in order to receive Medicaid assistance. Ms. Turner received $538,991 from Medicaid for her daughters’ medical bills between March 2014 and December 2018, according to the indictment.

     

    What kind of fraud even is this? How does it matter which insurance company the hospital bills?

    Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian, @Autochthon

  16. As the kids say:

    Fuck this gay world.

  17. Unfortunately the rise of blogs, Instagram and other forms of social media has been a boon for the Munchausen “community.” For those interested in this topic the subreddit /r/illnessfakers/ has some fascinating case studies.

    • Replies: @OscarWildeLoveChild
    @Anonymous

    Including the Race stories...like white "Hispanics" claiming all sorts of stories of their "otherness" while humble bragging about their curves and how many men they've "dated"...while at the same time appealing for a white man like their Uruguayan father wants.

    In the end, its always Sailer's "Let's talk about my hair" stuff. Sometimes they just project it onto kids. White women with black kids are the worst at making up stories about alleged infractions.

    Replies: @El Dato

  18. “You could give me all the money in the world, and I would give it back to you to be able to watch this [performance featuring her daughter as Bat Princess] again,” the girl’s mother, Kelly Renee Turner, told reporters at the time.
    – – – – –
    What? Nobody ever thought to record this performance in order for the mother to be able to watch it again?

  19. I’ve always said that parents presenting their children as transsexuals should be treated as malignant attention seekers.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    @JimB


    I’ve always said that parents presenting their children as transsexuals should be treated as malignant attention seekers.
     
    And you are, of course, exactly right about that.

    And the same can be said about everybody else soliciting for donations with some kind of sob story. In this country, in this day and age, there are more than enough social services that people can quietly appeal to when they need help, rather than making a gala out of it. Most normal people would be embarrassed to have their hardships, vulnerabilities, and setbacks aired in public and would prefer that as few people know about them as possible. Anyone making a scene is disingenuous.

    Furthermore, this applies as well to the people who give them money. They are also doing it to see and be seen. It is attention grabbing and virtue signalling all around.

    Replies: @JimB, @Romanian

    , @Alden
    @JimB

    Agree

  20. @ScarletNumber

    During one interview with investigators, Ms. Turner, unprompted, brought up Munchausen syndrome by proxy
     
    If you remember the game What's My Line?, all of the questions were yes/no. Turner should have remembered this and just answered what they asked you. Remember, you can very rarely talk yourself out of trouble with the police, but very easily talk yourself into trouble.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Cagey Beast

    Turner should have jumped off a high bridge into deep water, carefully avoiding striking anything in the water before she harmed a hair on her little girl’s head. That’s what she should have done.

  21. @ScarletNumber

    During one interview with investigators, Ms. Turner, unprompted, brought up Munchausen syndrome by proxy
     
    If you remember the game What's My Line?, all of the questions were yes/no. Turner should have remembered this and just answered what they asked you. Remember, you can very rarely talk yourself out of trouble with the police, but very easily talk yourself into trouble.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Cagey Beast

    That’s the key point you took from this story? Man!

  22. @Anon7
    I wonder how many cases in which the mother thinks her child is gender dysphoric and should transition are cases of Munchausen by proxy.

    Replies: @Alfa158, @The Anti-Gnostic, @Gordo

    All of them?

  23. @Tiny Duck
    It is snide mean spiritied posts like this comparing trans rights to evil that make me so happy that demographics are changing and that white "men" and their insititutions will soon be swept away in to the dustbin of history.

    We need to love each other and promote good things.

    white "men" have proven time and again to promote bad things like gun rights, racism transphobia homophobia mosygyny antisemitism

    This is why we NEED hate speech laws and harsh punishments for hate crimes like hate posting and "trolling"

    That day is coming soon and I cannot wait

    Replies: @Richard of Melbourne, @nglaer, @the grand wazoo, @Anonymous

    Bad spelling won’t be held against one, either.

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @nglaer

    Or not having heard of St. Augustine...

  24. @JimB
    I’ve always said that parents presenting their children as transsexuals should be treated as malignant attention seekers.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Alden

    I’ve always said that parents presenting their children as transsexuals should be treated as malignant attention seekers.

    And you are, of course, exactly right about that.

    And the same can be said about everybody else soliciting for donations with some kind of sob story. In this country, in this day and age, there are more than enough social services that people can quietly appeal to when they need help, rather than making a gala out of it. Most normal people would be embarrassed to have their hardships, vulnerabilities, and setbacks aired in public and would prefer that as few people know about them as possible. Anyone making a scene is disingenuous.

    Furthermore, this applies as well to the people who give them money. They are also doing it to see and be seen. It is attention grabbing and virtue signalling all around.

    • Agree: Autochthon
    • Replies: @JimB
    @Intelligent Dasein


    Most normal people would be embarrassed to have their hardships, vulnerabilities, and setbacks aired in public and would prefer that as few people know about them as possible.
     
    Well, absolutely, with intersectional people being the exception, since all their "hardships, vulnerabilities, and setbacks" are caused by the very existence of cis-gendered white men thinking bad thoughts.
    , @Romanian
    @Intelligent Dasein

    This might interest you.

    An essay on the slow demise of the culture of dignity, as opposed to the rising culture of victimhood.

    http://scholars-stage.blogspot.com/2015/09/honor-dignity-victimhood-and-death-of.html


    Public complaints that advertise or even exaggerate one’s own victimization and need for sympathy would be anathema to a person of honor – tantamount to showing that one had no honor at all. Members of a dignity culture, on the other hand, would see no shame in appealing to third parties, but they would not approve of such appeals for minor and merely verbal offenses. Instead they would likely counsel either confronting the offender directly to discuss the issue, or better yet, ignoring the remarks altogether.

    A culture of victimhood is one characterized by concern with status and sensitivity to slight combined with a heavy reliance on third parties. People are intolerant of insults, even if unintentional, and react by bringing them to the attention of authorities or to the public at large. Domination is the main form of deviance, and victimization a way of attracting sympathy, so rather than emphasize either their strength or inner worth, the aggrieved emphasize their oppression and social marginalization. … Under such conditions complaint to third parties has supplanted both toleration and negotiation. People increasingly demand help from others, and advertise their oppression as evidence that they deserve respect and assistance. Thus we might call this moral culture a culture of victimhood because the moral status of the victim, at its nadir in honor cultures, has risen to new heights.
     
  25. @Anon7
    I wonder how many cases in which the mother thinks her child is gender dysphoric and should transition are cases of Munchausen by proxy.

    Replies: @Alfa158, @The Anti-Gnostic, @Gordo

  26. @The Beggar Blogger
    Be honest, Steve. You *LOVE* it when someone in the mainstream mentions you.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes

    Any Publicity Is Good Publicity!

    Since Steve by nature is not a self promoter (i.e., not an egomaniac), any publicity is especially critical.

  27. “You could give me all the money in the world, and I would give it back to you to be able to watch this again,” the girl’s mother, Kelly Renee Turner, told reporters at the time.

    Six months later, Olivia died after “a long battle to a rare disease” that required “many operations and numerous stays in the hospital,” according to her obituary.

    But now the authorities say most of Olivia’s medical problems were made up. Ms. Turner, 41, was arrested Friday on charges of first-degree murder in her daughter’s death, after a yearlong investigation found that she had Olivia treated for conditions the girl did not have and withdrew medical care when Olivia was in hospice. …

    ISLAM IS RIGHT ABOUT WOMEN

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Dr. X

    The article is terrible. What were the Drs doing in all this? Did the mom poison her? Starve or dehydrate her? What did the Mom do? What did the Drs not do?

    Of course, Drs who take Medicaid..................

  28. Without going into details, I have had a lot of first hand, and second hand experience in dealing with women involved in divorce, in situations with police, CPS, etc. Something I think most normies would be surprised by, is how much a little of this syndrome is in most women–even the little things, like getting a better table at a restaurant because little Emma has allergies or whatever made up crap they can think of. A desire for something + vehicle to get that something (even a child) = solution. Munchausen by Proxy is really just the inverse or an inverted form of false abuse claims during a divorce.

  29. @Anonymous
    Unfortunately the rise of blogs, Instagram and other forms of social media has been a boon for the Munchausen "community." For those interested in this topic the subreddit /r/illnessfakers/ has some fascinating case studies.

    Replies: @OscarWildeLoveChild

    Including the Race stories…like white “Hispanics” claiming all sorts of stories of their “otherness” while humble bragging about their curves and how many men they’ve “dated”…while at the same time appealing for a white man like their Uruguayan father wants.

    In the end, its always Sailer’s “Let’s talk about my hair” stuff. Sometimes they just project it onto kids. White women with black kids are the worst at making up stories about alleged infractions.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @OscarWildeLoveChild

    The fun thing is, once you get older you notice that the "women" are just kids with kid mentality and kid problems and that you did not have the perspective to notice at the time.

    Replies: @OscarWildeLoveChild, @Autochthon

  30. @Abe
    As tragic as the death of an innocent child is, what would be even sadder is if this incident could in any way be exploited to weaken us in our resolve to BELIEVE ALL WOMEN.

    — this message brought to you by some soyboi journalist lackey of a henpecked ugly billionaire

    Replies: @Autochthon, @Not Raul

    I believe nearly all women, all the time…

    [MORE]

    …are a pain in the ass.

  31. @Tiny Duck
    It is snide mean spiritied posts like this comparing trans rights to evil that make me so happy that demographics are changing and that white "men" and their insititutions will soon be swept away in to the dustbin of history.

    We need to love each other and promote good things.

    white "men" have proven time and again to promote bad things like gun rights, racism transphobia homophobia mosygyny antisemitism

    This is why we NEED hate speech laws and harsh punishments for hate crimes like hate posting and "trolling"

    That day is coming soon and I cannot wait

    Replies: @Richard of Melbourne, @nglaer, @the grand wazoo, @Anonymous

    Hey fuck face! Go find a safe place to melt down, this ain’t it.

  32. @JimB
    I’ve always said that parents presenting their children as transsexuals should be treated as malignant attention seekers.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Alden

    Agree

  33. @Abe
    As tragic as the death of an innocent child is, what would be even sadder is if this incident could in any way be exploited to weaken us in our resolve to BELIEVE ALL WOMEN.

    — this message brought to you by some soyboi journalist lackey of a henpecked ugly billionaire

    Replies: @Autochthon, @Not Raul

    Believe all women, except the crazy ones.

  34. @Intelligent Dasein
    @JimB


    I’ve always said that parents presenting their children as transsexuals should be treated as malignant attention seekers.
     
    And you are, of course, exactly right about that.

    And the same can be said about everybody else soliciting for donations with some kind of sob story. In this country, in this day and age, there are more than enough social services that people can quietly appeal to when they need help, rather than making a gala out of it. Most normal people would be embarrassed to have their hardships, vulnerabilities, and setbacks aired in public and would prefer that as few people know about them as possible. Anyone making a scene is disingenuous.

    Furthermore, this applies as well to the people who give them money. They are also doing it to see and be seen. It is attention grabbing and virtue signalling all around.

    Replies: @JimB, @Romanian

    Most normal people would be embarrassed to have their hardships, vulnerabilities, and setbacks aired in public and would prefer that as few people know about them as possible.

    Well, absolutely, with intersectional people being the exception, since all their “hardships, vulnerabilities, and setbacks” are caused by the very existence of cis-gendered white men thinking bad thoughts.

  35. Keep an eye on Charlize Theron. A great actor, but she’s now presenting her adopted black son as transgender. Seeing as how she can’t keep a relationship with a man, she probably shouldn’t be raising a male, let alone one of a different race.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Beavertales

    Yeah this will end in tears. I predict drugs, suicide/murder, adhering to a weird sect or worse.

    , @dfordoom
    @Beavertales


    Keep an eye on Charlize Theron. A great actor
     
    She's an actress. That sounds like nit-picking but in our current world control of the language is everything.
  36. @Rob (London)
    Off-topic - high priestess of privileged racial animosity Afua Hirsch is at it again:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/23/memorial-2007-enslaved-africans-black-history-britain

    So Britain was apparently built on the backs of slaves, which explains why it contained no buildings prior to the start of the slave trade in the 17th century; and one month (8.3% of the year) is not nearly enough to devote to idolising black people, who make up ca. 2.5% of Britain's population now and probably make up 1% of 1% of the aggregate population of the island over the course of its history and pre-history.

    Replies: @Altai, @Ancient Briton, @El Dato

    The Guardian is a pseudo-leftist rag with:

    – Female bitching about oppression
    – Barely veiled insults addressed to the populace they are nominally writing for (who basically in a state of sin for even existing)
    – Mandatory subject matter from the Integrity Initiative on Russia, Assange, US elections, Trump etc.

    I’ve talked to hundreds of black people about what life is like for them in predominantly white spaces.

    “Pickin’ da cotton in da Milton Keynes be hard hard, Massa Hirsch. We be da workin here since dem Black Romans who killed da Black Celts, we wuz kangs, but now no more, no more.”

    Delivering this message to mostly white audiences, no matter how well intentioned [I can see the captive audience], during the first half of Black History Month often makes me feel exoticised. So my survival strategy is to spend the second half in Ghana, whose flag blazes a black star, because here blackness is a source of both pride and normality.

    Pride for me but not for you!

    Taking half a black month off in black country white a black flag star because of “white vapors” is certainly rewarding.

    But without the support of the government, £4m is an impossible target to reach. Memorial 2007 has tried repeatedly to secure that support, having reached out to every prime minister from Tony Blair to Boris Johnson. The announcement in 2015 of £50m in support for a Holocaust memorial [in the UK???] raised the group’s hopes.

    “If the Cohen can access the shekels, why can’t we?”

    • Agree: Charon
  37. I see what you did there.

    As clever as it was subtle.

    A damning indictment of an insane world.

  38. Rust Cohle on Munchausen by Proxy:

  39. @Beavertales
    Keep an eye on Charlize Theron. A great actor, but she's now presenting her adopted black son as transgender. Seeing as how she can't keep a relationship with a man, she probably shouldn't be raising a male, let alone one of a different race.

    Replies: @El Dato, @dfordoom

    Yeah this will end in tears. I predict drugs, suicide/murder, adhering to a weird sect or worse.

  40. @OscarWildeLoveChild
    @Anonymous

    Including the Race stories...like white "Hispanics" claiming all sorts of stories of their "otherness" while humble bragging about their curves and how many men they've "dated"...while at the same time appealing for a white man like their Uruguayan father wants.

    In the end, its always Sailer's "Let's talk about my hair" stuff. Sometimes they just project it onto kids. White women with black kids are the worst at making up stories about alleged infractions.

    Replies: @El Dato

    The fun thing is, once you get older you notice that the “women” are just kids with kid mentality and kid problems and that you did not have the perspective to notice at the time.

    • Agree: jim jones
    • Replies: @OscarWildeLoveChild
    @El Dato

    Totally !

    , @Autochthon
    @El Dato

    This. A thousand times this. The key to understanding females is that, even if they are nuclear physicists, they remain, their entire lives, emotionally children. (One of the obstacles to more understanding the phenomenon is the failure to distinguish intellectual development from emotional development.) The single most important thing any father (or self-aware mother, if such a woman exists) may do for a boy is to help him, as early in his life as possible, to understand that females can never be safely regarded as adults, and that to unguardedly treat them so is extremely dangerous. Sadly, most of us do not figure it out until middle age or later....

  41. @Garlic
    It’s a shocking account, but The NY Times article seems to be missing some key information.

    Why did medical tests not reveal that the girl was not sick? Why were doctors prescribing treatments for nonexistent conditions?

    The girl was sent to a hospice, treatment was discontinued, and she died.

    If the treatment, which presumably was what was making her ill, was discontinued, and she in fact did not have a terminal disease, what did she die of?

    Replies: @snorlax, @El Dato, @eugyppius

    “Hospice” and “withdraw medical care” are euphemisms for “pump full of morphine until respiratory failure is induced.” (The same as a heroin overdose, or execution by lethal injection).

  42. @Garlic
    It’s a shocking account, but The NY Times article seems to be missing some key information.

    Why did medical tests not reveal that the girl was not sick? Why were doctors prescribing treatments for nonexistent conditions?

    The girl was sent to a hospice, treatment was discontinued, and she died.

    If the treatment, which presumably was what was making her ill, was discontinued, and she in fact did not have a terminal disease, what did she die of?

    Replies: @snorlax, @El Dato, @eugyppius

    I may hypothesize:

    1) Medical-industrial conveyor belt on autopilot
    2) Body completely fucked up by inappropriate treatments

    Meanwhile, from VICE opinion section (is there anything else)?

    our obsession with ‘munchausen syndrome by proxy’ stinks of misogyny: Netflix’s ‘The Politician’ is the latest show to explore the rare mental health condition

    by Louis Staples, 22 October 2019, 6:00am

    Ja! Jawohl! Es stink!! (Why u use only lowercase for a heading?)

    So why is Munchausen having such an on-screen moment? After all, it is estimated that there are a tiny amount of cases (600 to 1200) in the US every year. Anna Leszkiewicz, culture editor of the New Statesman, wrote last year about what the emergence of this trend says about our “disdain of women” and how the resurgence of the “mother poisoner” is a reflection of current anxieties relating to motherhood. “Western culture, with its simultaneous sanctification and vilification of the feminine, has always relished portraits of terrible mothers and evil, sly female poisoners,” she wrote. “The gulf between society’s standards for motherhood and the reality of what’s possible for a parent is getting wider and wider. It’s no surprise we’ve become intoxicated by Munchausen by proxy, the most disturbing attempt to bridge the abyss.”

    Hannah Davies, deputy TV editor of The Guardian, agrees that there’s likely societal factors driving the “mother poisoner” resurgence. “This could definitely tie into the sense of uncertainty and danger a lot of people feel about the world we’re living in,” she says. “Because what is more dangerous than the person that’s meant to be caring for you — your mother — hurting you?”

    Although official NHS guidelines on “fabricated or induced illness” suggest that mothers are much more likely to be perpetrators, there seems to be a total absence of men who have Factitious Disorder portrayed as perpetrators in culture. When you consider that men are far more likely to be at the root of familial abuse, popular culture’s obsession with Munchausen by proxy — one of the few forms of abuse where women are more likely to be perpetrators, which is extremely rare in the first place — stinks of misogyny.

    Ok, that’s enough.

    • Replies: @black sea
    @El Dato

    These people -- and their obsessive desire to twist every storyline around their own political concerns -- are quite funny. Do they ever bother to think that drama is, well, more dramatic when it concerns itself with the exceptional or irregular, and hence more interesting and complex cases?

    Imagine the perpetually disheveled Lt. Colombo investigating the statistically representative LA murder case. Imagine episode after episode of his slow unraveling of the lies and deceptions of yet another career criminal with an IQ poised on the border of mental retardation and numerous priors for violent behavior.

    Children are especially vulnerable to harm, and most people have an instinctive impulse to protect them. Yes, this can sometimes lead to weird episodes such as the daycare abuse cases of the 80s, but that itself is interesting and frightening -- in other words, dramatic -- as well.

    Parents who harm their children out of a twisted desire for praise and attention are dramatically interesting because we all want praise and attention (a normal human motivation), but for most people such behavior clashes irreconcilably with their more healthy parental impulses. Anyway, all this stuff makes such a case more interesting to a lot of people than your your typical, horrible, run-of-the-mill abuse case. And ultimately, the people making these shows are just trying to hold the audience's interest.

    , @Autochthon
    @El Dato


    When you consider that men are far more likely to be at the root of familial abuse....
     
    This is nonsense; he may as well have written "When you consider that chimpanzees are much better swimmers than are dolphins...."

    Females abuse both their spouses and their children at significantly higher rates than do males. Mountains of empirical studies have documented this phenomenon. The Narrative, however, demands everyone close his eyes and imagine the caricature of a fat, greasy man in a white tank top stained by mustard slapping his family around, because that is what people see on teevee.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  43. I remember watching this show on Munchhausen by Proxy where they were monitoring the children who were suspected of being abused and their parents to find out if the parents were harming the children. They were in a hospital setting with secret cameras to watch and crews that could step in immediately if they thought the children were being harmed. What I remember most was that male perpetrators could be broken down relatively quickly and would fess up to harming their children once they were confronted with irrefutable video evidence whereas the mothers would just deny it to the bitter end. It is the same way for other mental illnesses. I know a woman who is a psychiatrist and she absolutely hates working with female addicts, criminals, etc. because they are so loathe to admit that they are harming others. It is something which never gets attention but is very real.

  44. @nglaer
    @Tiny Duck

    Bad spelling won't be held against one, either.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    Or not having heard of St. Augustine…

  45. @Ancient Briton
    @Rob (London)

    Robin Hood had a black sidekick - I saw it in a movie!

    Replies: @nurdle

    The scene where he throws the scimitar makes the movie worthwhile. That, and Alan Rickman being awesome.

  46. @El Dato
    @Garlic

    I may hypothesize:

    1) Medical-industrial conveyor belt on autopilot
    2) Body completely fucked up by inappropriate treatments

    Meanwhile, from VICE opinion section (is there anything else)?

    our obsession with 'munchausen syndrome by proxy' stinks of misogyny: Netflix's 'The Politician' is the latest show to explore the rare mental health condition

    by Louis Staples, 22 October 2019, 6:00am

    Ja! Jawohl! Es stink!! (Why u use only lowercase for a heading?)


    So why is Munchausen having such an on-screen moment? After all, it is estimated that there are a tiny amount of cases (600 to 1200) in the US every year. Anna Leszkiewicz, culture editor of the New Statesman, wrote last year about what the emergence of this trend says about our “disdain of women” and how the resurgence of the “mother poisoner” is a reflection of current anxieties relating to motherhood. “Western culture, with its simultaneous sanctification and vilification of the feminine, has always relished portraits of terrible mothers and evil, sly female poisoners,” she wrote. “The gulf between society’s standards for motherhood and the reality of what’s possible for a parent is getting wider and wider. It’s no surprise we’ve become intoxicated by Munchausen by proxy, the most disturbing attempt to bridge the abyss.”

    Hannah Davies, deputy TV editor of The Guardian, agrees that there’s likely societal factors driving the “mother poisoner” resurgence. “This could definitely tie into the sense of uncertainty and danger a lot of people feel about the world we’re living in,” she says. “Because what is more dangerous than the person that's meant to be caring for you -- your mother -- hurting you?”

    Although official NHS guidelines on “fabricated or induced illness” suggest that mothers are much more likely to be perpetrators, there seems to be a total absence of men who have Factitious Disorder portrayed as perpetrators in culture. When you consider that men are far more likely to be at the root of familial abuse, popular culture’s obsession with Munchausen by proxy -- one of the few forms of abuse where women are more likely to be perpetrators, which is extremely rare in the first place -- stinks of misogyny.
     

    Ok, that's enough.

    Replies: @black sea, @Autochthon

    These people — and their obsessive desire to twist every storyline around their own political concerns — are quite funny. Do they ever bother to think that drama is, well, more dramatic when it concerns itself with the exceptional or irregular, and hence more interesting and complex cases?

    Imagine the perpetually disheveled Lt. Colombo investigating the statistically representative LA murder case. Imagine episode after episode of his slow unraveling of the lies and deceptions of yet another career criminal with an IQ poised on the border of mental retardation and numerous priors for violent behavior.

    Children are especially vulnerable to harm, and most people have an instinctive impulse to protect them. Yes, this can sometimes lead to weird episodes such as the daycare abuse cases of the 80s, but that itself is interesting and frightening — in other words, dramatic — as well.

    Parents who harm their children out of a twisted desire for praise and attention are dramatically interesting because we all want praise and attention (a normal human motivation), but for most people such behavior clashes irreconcilably with their more healthy parental impulses. Anyway, all this stuff makes such a case more interesting to a lot of people than your your typical, horrible, run-of-the-mill abuse case. And ultimately, the people making these shows are just trying to hold the audience’s interest.

  47. @Tiny Duck
    It is snide mean spiritied posts like this comparing trans rights to evil that make me so happy that demographics are changing and that white "men" and their insititutions will soon be swept away in to the dustbin of history.

    We need to love each other and promote good things.

    white "men" have proven time and again to promote bad things like gun rights, racism transphobia homophobia mosygyny antisemitism

    This is why we NEED hate speech laws and harsh punishments for hate crimes like hate posting and "trolling"

    That day is coming soon and I cannot wait

    Replies: @Richard of Melbourne, @nglaer, @the grand wazoo, @Anonymous

    Tiny,

    If you want snide comments about this sort of story, you really need to check out ‘Black Twitter’ you’ll find it very entertaining and enlightening!

  48. @Garlic
    It’s a shocking account, but The NY Times article seems to be missing some key information.

    Why did medical tests not reveal that the girl was not sick? Why were doctors prescribing treatments for nonexistent conditions?

    The girl was sent to a hospice, treatment was discontinued, and she died.

    If the treatment, which presumably was what was making her ill, was discontinued, and she in fact did not have a terminal disease, what did she die of?

    Replies: @snorlax, @El Dato, @eugyppius

    It is a bizarre article from beginning to end. Probably because it is one of those pieces where the actual story, for whatever reason, is being told between the lines.

    But now the authorities say most of Olivia’s medical problems were made up. Ms. Turner, 41, was arrested Friday on charges of first-degree murder in her daughter’s death, after a yearlong investigation found that she had Olivia treated for conditions the girl did not have and withdrew medical care when Olivia was in hospice.

    What I get from this is, the mom pulled her daughter’s feeding tube and she died. You don’t catch a murder one charge on the basis of BS medical complaints.

    During the investigation, several doctors at Children’s Hospital Colorado said Olivia was never found to have a terminal illness, and were “shocked” to learn that Ms. Turner had withdrawn all medical care when Olivia was in hospice. Others disputed the “intestinal failure” as the cause of death. An autopsy conducted on her exhumed body in November 2018 showed “the manner of death is best certified as undetermined,” according to the indictment.

    But was Olivia ill at all? The suggestion seems to be: yes, just not deathly ill. Still unexplained is how the kid ever ended up in hospice with the hospital unaware that she was dying. I guess the authorities expected she was being poisoned but the autopsy revealed nothing, so they’re left with putting the death down to senseless invasive medical treatment.

    Then this part of the story is totally incomprehensible:

    Although her children had access to health insurance through their father, Ms. Turner falsified documents in order to receive Medicaid assistance. Ms. Turner received $538,991 from Medicaid for her daughters’ medical bills between March 2014 and December 2018, according to the indictment.

    What kind of fraud even is this? How does it matter which insurance company the hospital bills?

    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
    @eugyppius

    My guess would be that it would be easier to pursue a whole bunch of unneeded, or potentially very harmful, treatments and/or medical procedures if Medicare was doing the oversight (if any - once you're on the program, the rubber stamp for any billing might be liberally employed with few questions asked) rather than the father's insurance companies, who might be WAY more inquisitive about what was going on with this child and her treatment.

    Remember, the classic way to continue or to intensify abuse is to first ISOLATE the victim. Lowering the level of scrutiny over the victim by outside observers turbocharges the abuse. This woman was well aware of this, and did what was needful to attain isolation from meaningful scrutiny. Now where the medical professionals were in all of this is another issue, and baleful surmises about why that was are there for the investigators to follow up on (or not).

    , @Autochthon
    @eugyppius

    The woman defrauded the government, because the child (being insured by her father) was ineligible for Medicaid; it's fraud the same way lying about one's income to obtain food stamps is fraud. (Mind you, the real fraud is the confiscatory taxation and the existence of these irredeemable governmental programmes in the first instance, but that's neither here nor there.) She likewise defrauded many private charities, too (details below), which is worse, because those serve legitimate purposes and represent actual goodwill from caring people.

    I expected, since he is so little mentioned, that the child's father was forced out of her life by the kritarchy, leaving the girl's mother to her evil. But then, I decided, "to Hell with it; surely a less stupid journalist has covered the story":


    Jeff Gant, who stayed behind in Texas when his family moved to Colorado in 2013, also told police he'd been making biweekly deposits of $1,800 each into a bank account Turner controlled. Gant further said Turner had asked him to take her and the girls off of his insurance because she'd found a better deal, the indictment says.

    Turner told police in a separate interview her husband's insurance wouldn't cover Olivia's pre-existing condition, the indictment says, and in a 2013 application for public assistance she said she was divorced from Gant, whom she described as an "absent parent."
     

    So in addition to all the other evils, a girl was kept from her father, who was apparently toiling hundreds of miles away to support his family and maybe was never even aware of the horrors unfolding until too late. Absent imminent emergencies, the law really ought to require consent to treatment (or any changes to existing regimens) from both parents in cases like these. It's entirely possible that, here, such a reasonable and practical step would have unmasked the entire tragedy far sooner. But that, of course, would just be so much more misogyny, I suppose.

    There are all kinds of other details here from Channel 5 in Denver. Anyone else notice that, more often than not, the local TV station has better reporting than supposedly more sophisticated outfits? Much if this is that these other outfits purport to provide "analysis" and to "get to the bottom of" or "make sense of" the story. But of course this really means they obfuscate facts and push their agenda, using the ruse that the bare facts will be too much for their consumer to understand, but in fact it's always just the opposite: the story is quite straightforward, but their ostensible analysis makes it incomprehensible.

    Replies: @eugyppius

  49. If the mom had claimed, however, that her daughter wanted to be Prince Eric from Little Mermaid and demanded medical treatment to make “his” dream come true, that would have been stunning and brave.

    Has this script already been made into a Lifetime movie yet?

  50. The rush by insane women to turn their young boys into trannies should be considered a form of Munchausen by proxy.

  51. @El Dato
    @OscarWildeLoveChild

    The fun thing is, once you get older you notice that the "women" are just kids with kid mentality and kid problems and that you did not have the perspective to notice at the time.

    Replies: @OscarWildeLoveChild, @Autochthon

    Totally !

  52. @Anon7
    I wonder how many cases in which the mother thinks her child is gender dysphoric and should transition are cases of Munchausen by proxy.

    Replies: @Alfa158, @The Anti-Gnostic, @Gordo

    I wonder how many cases in which the mother thinks her child is gender dysphoric and should transition are cases of Munchausen by proxy.

    All of them and that’s being generous, the alternative is that they are just plain evil.

  53. “If the mom had claimed, however, that her daughter wanted to be Prince Eric from Little Mermaid and demanded medical treatment to make “his” dream come true, that would have been stunning and brave.”

    That is all you need to know. Liberalism is Munchausen by proxy.

    • LOL: John Regan
  54. @Intelligent Dasein
    @JimB


    I’ve always said that parents presenting their children as transsexuals should be treated as malignant attention seekers.
     
    And you are, of course, exactly right about that.

    And the same can be said about everybody else soliciting for donations with some kind of sob story. In this country, in this day and age, there are more than enough social services that people can quietly appeal to when they need help, rather than making a gala out of it. Most normal people would be embarrassed to have their hardships, vulnerabilities, and setbacks aired in public and would prefer that as few people know about them as possible. Anyone making a scene is disingenuous.

    Furthermore, this applies as well to the people who give them money. They are also doing it to see and be seen. It is attention grabbing and virtue signalling all around.

    Replies: @JimB, @Romanian

    This might interest you.

    An essay on the slow demise of the culture of dignity, as opposed to the rising culture of victimhood.

    http://scholars-stage.blogspot.com/2015/09/honor-dignity-victimhood-and-death-of.html

    Public complaints that advertise or even exaggerate one’s own victimization and need for sympathy would be anathema to a person of honor – tantamount to showing that one had no honor at all. Members of a dignity culture, on the other hand, would see no shame in appealing to third parties, but they would not approve of such appeals for minor and merely verbal offenses. Instead they would likely counsel either confronting the offender directly to discuss the issue, or better yet, ignoring the remarks altogether.

    A culture of victimhood is one characterized by concern with status and sensitivity to slight combined with a heavy reliance on third parties. People are intolerant of insults, even if unintentional, and react by bringing them to the attention of authorities or to the public at large. Domination is the main form of deviance, and victimization a way of attracting sympathy, so rather than emphasize either their strength or inner worth, the aggrieved emphasize their oppression and social marginalization. … Under such conditions complaint to third parties has supplanted both toleration and negotiation. People increasingly demand help from others, and advertise their oppression as evidence that they deserve respect and assistance. Thus we might call this moral culture a culture of victimhood because the moral status of the victim, at its nadir in honor cultures, has risen to new heights.

  55. @Anonymous
    The peanut allergy hysteria (which seems to have subsided) was driven by women like this.

    Replies: @Haruto Rat

    The peanut allergy hysteria (which seems to have subsided) was driven by women like this.

    Them, and Dan Brown.

    Rémy dying from peanut allergy was perhaps the least plausible episode in Da Vinci Code, despite quite some competition.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Haruto Rat

    I know a man whose wife died on their honeymoon. A waiter carried a platter of sizzling shrimp fajitas by their table. She inhaled the fumes and died from anaphylactic shock.
    It can be a very real problem. A peanut allergy is permanently disqualifying for military service.

    , @Olorin
    @Haruto Rat

    One of my undergrad students spent a week in the hospital fighting for his life after accidentally eating a peanut M&M that somehow had found its way into the bag of plain M&Ms in the candy dish at his frat house. His bros knew he had a peanut allergy, and he was well liked, so there were no indications this was done deliberately.

    It's a real thing, though somewhat more rare than your average Special Needs Champion Mommy might assert. White people of northern ancestry have not been big eaters of tropical ground nut proteins over the past 50,000 years. (My student was of Alpine German and northern Italian extraction.) I have never had anaphylactic shock/breathing crisis from eating peanuts, but there have been times when my overall allergy reactions are up (usually during densely mildewy times of year when there's a lot of wet field/soil/forest work) that peanuts make my lips and tongue swell up. Thus I avoid them as a matter of course and stick to Northern tree nuts.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  56. @eugyppius
    @Garlic

    It is a bizarre article from beginning to end. Probably because it is one of those pieces where the actual story, for whatever reason, is being told between the lines.


    But now the authorities say most of Olivia’s medical problems were made up. Ms. Turner, 41, was arrested Friday on charges of first-degree murder in her daughter’s death, after a yearlong investigation found that she had Olivia treated for conditions the girl did not have and withdrew medical care when Olivia was in hospice.

     

    What I get from this is, the mom pulled her daughter's feeding tube and she died. You don't catch a murder one charge on the basis of BS medical complaints.

    During the investigation, several doctors at Children’s Hospital Colorado said Olivia was never found to have a terminal illness, and were “shocked” to learn that Ms. Turner had withdrawn all medical care when Olivia was in hospice. Others disputed the “intestinal failure” as the cause of death. An autopsy conducted on her exhumed body in November 2018 showed “the manner of death is best certified as undetermined,” according to the indictment.

     

    But was Olivia ill at all? The suggestion seems to be: yes, just not deathly ill. Still unexplained is how the kid ever ended up in hospice with the hospital unaware that she was dying. I guess the authorities expected she was being poisoned but the autopsy revealed nothing, so they're left with putting the death down to senseless invasive medical treatment.

    Then this part of the story is totally incomprehensible:


    Although her children had access to health insurance through their father, Ms. Turner falsified documents in order to receive Medicaid assistance. Ms. Turner received $538,991 from Medicaid for her daughters’ medical bills between March 2014 and December 2018, according to the indictment.

     

    What kind of fraud even is this? How does it matter which insurance company the hospital bills?

    Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian, @Autochthon

    My guess would be that it would be easier to pursue a whole bunch of unneeded, or potentially very harmful, treatments and/or medical procedures if Medicare was doing the oversight (if any – once you’re on the program, the rubber stamp for any billing might be liberally employed with few questions asked) rather than the father’s insurance companies, who might be WAY more inquisitive about what was going on with this child and her treatment.

    Remember, the classic way to continue or to intensify abuse is to first ISOLATE the victim. Lowering the level of scrutiny over the victim by outside observers turbocharges the abuse. This woman was well aware of this, and did what was needful to attain isolation from meaningful scrutiny. Now where the medical professionals were in all of this is another issue, and baleful surmises about why that was are there for the investigators to follow up on (or not).

  57. @Dr G
    I am an adolescent psychiatrist and recently saw an 11yo boy in the hospital who claimed to identify as a girl. After speaking to his father, I could quickly see that the boy's mother was in fact manipulating the boy to identify as a girl and wear dresses in order to gain sole custody of the boy (based on the fact that father did not accept his purported gender identity). The father went on to describe the myriad instances in which the mother removed the boy from school to attend various doctor's appointments for vague/false physical complaints. I mentioned "Munchausen by proxy" and the father immediately reported that when they were married, the mother spent significant time reading the DSM and was especially obsessed with Munchausen by proxy. I went on to do a more complete evaluation of the boy and the family dynamics and concluded that the mother indeed was engaging in emotional abuse of the child by using him to fulfill her own needs. I wrote a detailed report saying this and the judge immediately awarded the father sole custody. FYI I practice in SF, CA, so even there it seems many judges will defer to professionals who speak the truth on transgenderism.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Olorin

    That’s a very good thing you were able to do there.

  58. @El Dato
    @OscarWildeLoveChild

    The fun thing is, once you get older you notice that the "women" are just kids with kid mentality and kid problems and that you did not have the perspective to notice at the time.

    Replies: @OscarWildeLoveChild, @Autochthon

    This. A thousand times this. The key to understanding females is that, even if they are nuclear physicists, they remain, their entire lives, emotionally children. (One of the obstacles to more understanding the phenomenon is the failure to distinguish intellectual development from emotional development.) The single most important thing any father (or self-aware mother, if such a woman exists) may do for a boy is to help him, as early in his life as possible, to understand that females can never be safely regarded as adults, and that to unguardedly treat them so is extremely dangerous. Sadly, most of us do not figure it out until middle age or later….

  59. @El Dato
    @Garlic

    I may hypothesize:

    1) Medical-industrial conveyor belt on autopilot
    2) Body completely fucked up by inappropriate treatments

    Meanwhile, from VICE opinion section (is there anything else)?

    our obsession with 'munchausen syndrome by proxy' stinks of misogyny: Netflix's 'The Politician' is the latest show to explore the rare mental health condition

    by Louis Staples, 22 October 2019, 6:00am

    Ja! Jawohl! Es stink!! (Why u use only lowercase for a heading?)


    So why is Munchausen having such an on-screen moment? After all, it is estimated that there are a tiny amount of cases (600 to 1200) in the US every year. Anna Leszkiewicz, culture editor of the New Statesman, wrote last year about what the emergence of this trend says about our “disdain of women” and how the resurgence of the “mother poisoner” is a reflection of current anxieties relating to motherhood. “Western culture, with its simultaneous sanctification and vilification of the feminine, has always relished portraits of terrible mothers and evil, sly female poisoners,” she wrote. “The gulf between society’s standards for motherhood and the reality of what’s possible for a parent is getting wider and wider. It’s no surprise we’ve become intoxicated by Munchausen by proxy, the most disturbing attempt to bridge the abyss.”

    Hannah Davies, deputy TV editor of The Guardian, agrees that there’s likely societal factors driving the “mother poisoner” resurgence. “This could definitely tie into the sense of uncertainty and danger a lot of people feel about the world we’re living in,” she says. “Because what is more dangerous than the person that's meant to be caring for you -- your mother -- hurting you?”

    Although official NHS guidelines on “fabricated or induced illness” suggest that mothers are much more likely to be perpetrators, there seems to be a total absence of men who have Factitious Disorder portrayed as perpetrators in culture. When you consider that men are far more likely to be at the root of familial abuse, popular culture’s obsession with Munchausen by proxy -- one of the few forms of abuse where women are more likely to be perpetrators, which is extremely rare in the first place -- stinks of misogyny.
     

    Ok, that's enough.

    Replies: @black sea, @Autochthon

    When you consider that men are far more likely to be at the root of familial abuse….

    This is nonsense; he may as well have written “When you consider that chimpanzees are much better swimmers than are dolphins….”

    Females abuse both their spouses and their children at significantly higher rates than do males. Mountains of empirical studies have documented this phenomenon. The Narrative, however, demands everyone close his eyes and imagine the caricature of a fat, greasy man in a white tank top stained by mustard slapping his family around, because that is what people see on teevee.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Autochthon


    Females abuse both their spouses and their children at significantly higher rates than do males. Mountains of empirical studies have documented this phenomenon. The Narrative, however, demands everyone close his eyes and imagine the caricature of a fat, greasy man in a white tank top stained by mustard slapping his family around, because that is what people see on teevee.
     
    Yes, sad but true.

    And then of course there are the sky-high domestic violence rates among lesbians, but that's another hatefact.
  60. @eugyppius
    @Garlic

    It is a bizarre article from beginning to end. Probably because it is one of those pieces where the actual story, for whatever reason, is being told between the lines.


    But now the authorities say most of Olivia’s medical problems were made up. Ms. Turner, 41, was arrested Friday on charges of first-degree murder in her daughter’s death, after a yearlong investigation found that she had Olivia treated for conditions the girl did not have and withdrew medical care when Olivia was in hospice.

     

    What I get from this is, the mom pulled her daughter's feeding tube and she died. You don't catch a murder one charge on the basis of BS medical complaints.

    During the investigation, several doctors at Children’s Hospital Colorado said Olivia was never found to have a terminal illness, and were “shocked” to learn that Ms. Turner had withdrawn all medical care when Olivia was in hospice. Others disputed the “intestinal failure” as the cause of death. An autopsy conducted on her exhumed body in November 2018 showed “the manner of death is best certified as undetermined,” according to the indictment.

     

    But was Olivia ill at all? The suggestion seems to be: yes, just not deathly ill. Still unexplained is how the kid ever ended up in hospice with the hospital unaware that she was dying. I guess the authorities expected she was being poisoned but the autopsy revealed nothing, so they're left with putting the death down to senseless invasive medical treatment.

    Then this part of the story is totally incomprehensible:


    Although her children had access to health insurance through their father, Ms. Turner falsified documents in order to receive Medicaid assistance. Ms. Turner received $538,991 from Medicaid for her daughters’ medical bills between March 2014 and December 2018, according to the indictment.

     

    What kind of fraud even is this? How does it matter which insurance company the hospital bills?

    Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian, @Autochthon

    The woman defrauded the government, because the child (being insured by her father) was ineligible for Medicaid; it’s fraud the same way lying about one’s income to obtain food stamps is fraud. (Mind you, the real fraud is the confiscatory taxation and the existence of these irredeemable governmental programmes in the first instance, but that’s neither here nor there.) She likewise defrauded many private charities, too (details below), which is worse, because those serve legitimate purposes and represent actual goodwill from caring people.

    I expected, since he is so little mentioned, that the child’s father was forced out of her life by the kritarchy, leaving the girl’s mother to her evil. But then, I decided, “to Hell with it; surely a less stupid journalist has covered the story”:

    Jeff Gant, who stayed behind in Texas when his family moved to Colorado in 2013, also told police he’d been making biweekly deposits of $1,800 each into a bank account Turner controlled. Gant further said Turner had asked him to take her and the girls off of his insurance because she’d found a better deal, the indictment says.

    Turner told police in a separate interview her husband’s insurance wouldn’t cover Olivia’s pre-existing condition, the indictment says, and in a 2013 application for public assistance she said she was divorced from Gant, whom she described as an “absent parent.”

    So in addition to all the other evils, a girl was kept from her father, who was apparently toiling hundreds of miles away to support his family and maybe was never even aware of the horrors unfolding until too late. Absent imminent emergencies, the law really ought to require consent to treatment (or any changes to existing regimens) from both parents in cases like these. It’s entirely possible that, here, such a reasonable and practical step would have unmasked the entire tragedy far sooner. But that, of course, would just be so much more misogyny, I suppose.

    There are all kinds of other details here from Channel 5 in Denver. Anyone else notice that, more often than not, the local TV station has better reporting than supposedly more sophisticated outfits? Much if this is that these other outfits purport to provide “analysis” and to “get to the bottom of” or “make sense of” the story. But of course this really means they obfuscate facts and push their agenda, using the ruse that the bare facts will be too much for their consumer to understand, but in fact it’s always just the opposite: the story is quite straightforward, but their ostensible analysis makes it incomprehensible.

    • Agree: Dtbb
    • Replies: @eugyppius
    @Autochthon

    Just to clarify: I understand that, if the allegations are true, she defrauded Medicaid for which she was ineligible. I was only asking why one would even bother to commit such a fraud, which seems to profit the perpetrator not at all.

    Replies: @snorlax, @Alden

  61. File this under “a woman would never lie about a thing like that!” gullibility of the general public especially other women. (One of the reasons we hire cynical misogynist misanthropic investigators to look into these things.) Women, you know, those creatures who, by human nature, are filled with understanding, love, and compassion. Except when we’re talking about any other area of human endeavor, like STEM work then “there is no such thing as human nature; how dare you!” By our foolishness horrible things like this happen to innocent little girls. Very saddening.

  62. @Autochthon
    @eugyppius

    The woman defrauded the government, because the child (being insured by her father) was ineligible for Medicaid; it's fraud the same way lying about one's income to obtain food stamps is fraud. (Mind you, the real fraud is the confiscatory taxation and the existence of these irredeemable governmental programmes in the first instance, but that's neither here nor there.) She likewise defrauded many private charities, too (details below), which is worse, because those serve legitimate purposes and represent actual goodwill from caring people.

    I expected, since he is so little mentioned, that the child's father was forced out of her life by the kritarchy, leaving the girl's mother to her evil. But then, I decided, "to Hell with it; surely a less stupid journalist has covered the story":


    Jeff Gant, who stayed behind in Texas when his family moved to Colorado in 2013, also told police he'd been making biweekly deposits of $1,800 each into a bank account Turner controlled. Gant further said Turner had asked him to take her and the girls off of his insurance because she'd found a better deal, the indictment says.

    Turner told police in a separate interview her husband's insurance wouldn't cover Olivia's pre-existing condition, the indictment says, and in a 2013 application for public assistance she said she was divorced from Gant, whom she described as an "absent parent."
     

    So in addition to all the other evils, a girl was kept from her father, who was apparently toiling hundreds of miles away to support his family and maybe was never even aware of the horrors unfolding until too late. Absent imminent emergencies, the law really ought to require consent to treatment (or any changes to existing regimens) from both parents in cases like these. It's entirely possible that, here, such a reasonable and practical step would have unmasked the entire tragedy far sooner. But that, of course, would just be so much more misogyny, I suppose.

    There are all kinds of other details here from Channel 5 in Denver. Anyone else notice that, more often than not, the local TV station has better reporting than supposedly more sophisticated outfits? Much if this is that these other outfits purport to provide "analysis" and to "get to the bottom of" or "make sense of" the story. But of course this really means they obfuscate facts and push their agenda, using the ruse that the bare facts will be too much for their consumer to understand, but in fact it's always just the opposite: the story is quite straightforward, but their ostensible analysis makes it incomprehensible.

    Replies: @eugyppius

    Just to clarify: I understand that, if the allegations are true, she defrauded Medicaid for which she was ineligible. I was only asking why one would even bother to commit such a fraud, which seems to profit the perpetrator not at all.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    @eugyppius

    I'm guessing the insurance company was starting to ask questions.

    Replies: @Autochthon

    , @Alden
    @eugyppius

    Mom didn’t benefit by the Medicaid fraud. The money went directly to the medical providers.

    But with Medicaid, the medical providers got less pay than they would have had by other insurance. And if child's father could provide that much money for child support Mom was cheating Medicaid.

    Similar to if she claimed she wasn’t getting child support was unemployed and went on welfare.

  63. @eugyppius
    @Autochthon

    Just to clarify: I understand that, if the allegations are true, she defrauded Medicaid for which she was ineligible. I was only asking why one would even bother to commit such a fraud, which seems to profit the perpetrator not at all.

    Replies: @snorlax, @Alden

    I’m guessing the insurance company was starting to ask questions.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    @snorlax

    Exactly. If you read the piece from Channel 5, she was admonished insistently and repeatedly by a pediatric neurologist that her child did not suffer seizures and she should stop administering a medication to the child for treating seizures which she nevertheless continued to administer, in defiance of the neurologist's orders. Medicaid is lazy governmental clerks rubber-stamping things and (often) physicians not necessarily impressive enough to be booked solid by patients paying whatever they demand. Private insurers, on the other hand, can be real hawks about approving treatments and insisting upon detailed justifications from physicians to confirm diagnoses.

    A few gastroenterologists are also cited as arguing with her and discovering she had lied to them and others. In short, she seems to have been running around among different physicians who made preliminary diagnoses, using those diagnoses to progress the con with the next physician, with the earlier physicians always a step behind once conclusive results came back from the cytologists, radiologists, and so on confirming that the preliminary diagnoses were incorrect – they were after all made in large part based upon the mother's lies to the diagnosing physicians about symptoms.

    Just think about what it would be like for pediatricians or veterinarians or gerontologists who were told all kinds of crazy, false things by their patients' guardians, with the patients themselves unable to contradict it and speak for themselves. An evil and conniving person who'd prepared by investigating what to say to a physician to convince him of a certain diagnoses could do a lot of damage before being found out, even if the physician were a regular Dr. House. (In fact, a few episodes of House were based upon exactly this premise; maybe they inspired this woman to her infanticide....)

    Our runaway HIPPA no doubt exacerbated the whole thing by hampering communications among the physicians (I cannot tell you how many times I've had to jump through flaming hoops of horse-shit just to get the douchebags in one physician's office to send my record to another physician's office – even if one goes in person to demand hard copies and take them oneself, one is often stonewalled by demands that making the copies will take n hours or days – imagine how difficult this could make it for a concerned and suspicious physician to try to get information – Hell, many probably could not at all unless they'd insisted upon consent to obtain and share the data before treatment and made the communications before the lunatic mother revoked that consent...).

  64. @Haruto Rat
    @Anonymous


    The peanut allergy hysteria (which seems to have subsided) was driven by women like this.
     
    Them, and Dan Brown.

    Rémy dying from peanut allergy was perhaps the least plausible episode in Da Vinci Code, despite quite some competition.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Olorin

    I know a man whose wife died on their honeymoon. A waiter carried a platter of sizzling shrimp fajitas by their table. She inhaled the fumes and died from anaphylactic shock.
    It can be a very real problem. A peanut allergy is permanently disqualifying for military service.

  65. @snorlax
    @eugyppius

    I'm guessing the insurance company was starting to ask questions.

    Replies: @Autochthon

    Exactly. If you read the piece from Channel 5, she was admonished insistently and repeatedly by a pediatric neurologist that her child did not suffer seizures and she should stop administering a medication to the child for treating seizures which she nevertheless continued to administer, in defiance of the neurologist’s orders. Medicaid is lazy governmental clerks rubber-stamping things and (often) physicians not necessarily impressive enough to be booked solid by patients paying whatever they demand. Private insurers, on the other hand, can be real hawks about approving treatments and insisting upon detailed justifications from physicians to confirm diagnoses.

    A few gastroenterologists are also cited as arguing with her and discovering she had lied to them and others. In short, she seems to have been running around among different physicians who made preliminary diagnoses, using those diagnoses to progress the con with the next physician, with the earlier physicians always a step behind once conclusive results came back from the cytologists, radiologists, and so on confirming that the preliminary diagnoses were incorrect – they were after all made in large part based upon the mother’s lies to the diagnosing physicians about symptoms.

    Just think about what it would be like for pediatricians or veterinarians or gerontologists who were told all kinds of crazy, false things by their patients’ guardians, with the patients themselves unable to contradict it and speak for themselves. An evil and conniving person who’d prepared by investigating what to say to a physician to convince him of a certain diagnoses could do a lot of damage before being found out, even if the physician were a regular Dr. House. (In fact, a few episodes of House were based upon exactly this premise; maybe they inspired this woman to her infanticide….)

    Our runaway HIPPA no doubt exacerbated the whole thing by hampering communications among the physicians (I cannot tell you how many times I’ve had to jump through flaming hoops of horse-shit just to get the douchebags in one physician’s office to send my record to another physician’s office – even if one goes in person to demand hard copies and take them oneself, one is often stonewalled by demands that making the copies will take n hours or days – imagine how difficult this could make it for a concerned and suspicious physician to try to get information – Hell, many probably could not at all unless they’d insisted upon consent to obtain and share the data before treatment and made the communications before the lunatic mother revoked that consent…).

  66. @Dr G
    I am an adolescent psychiatrist and recently saw an 11yo boy in the hospital who claimed to identify as a girl. After speaking to his father, I could quickly see that the boy's mother was in fact manipulating the boy to identify as a girl and wear dresses in order to gain sole custody of the boy (based on the fact that father did not accept his purported gender identity). The father went on to describe the myriad instances in which the mother removed the boy from school to attend various doctor's appointments for vague/false physical complaints. I mentioned "Munchausen by proxy" and the father immediately reported that when they were married, the mother spent significant time reading the DSM and was especially obsessed with Munchausen by proxy. I went on to do a more complete evaluation of the boy and the family dynamics and concluded that the mother indeed was engaging in emotional abuse of the child by using him to fulfill her own needs. I wrote a detailed report saying this and the judge immediately awarded the father sole custody. FYI I practice in SF, CA, so even there it seems many judges will defer to professionals who speak the truth on transgenderism.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Olorin

    Good for you, Doc. Especially being in SF, a hotbed of this grotesque biological and psychological experimentation/warfare.

    the mother indeed was engaging in emotional abuse of the child by using him to fulfill her own needs.

    This is more widespread than Munchausen per se.

    By that I mean it isn’t just a medicalized phenomenon–where mothers/females in control of children can get power by interacting with the medical establishment. We can also find instances of this where abusive women in control of children interact with other social and political establishments as well.

    Schooling comes to mind. From Asian tiger mothers and Jewish mothers who push their offspring mercilessly to perform for grades/awards to black females who abuse their or their offspring’s kids for showing any excellence whatever, to the white suburban/urban mothers of “special needs” children with spiraling demands for exceptional attention…”engaging in emotional abuse of the child” “to fulfill her own needs” is quite commonly observed in the Ed Biz. At least in my experience.

    And if my experience in the Ed Biz is any guide, this sort of female, and the males who orbit them, are among those who make up the curriculum by which ALL children can be abused by agents of the Ed Biz, themselves powerful professionals in a feminized environment…that literally gets power from using children.

    The judiciary has been similarly used and made-over by some women who abuse their kids–for instance depriving them of fathers/coherent home lives–for their own reasons.

    This is the primary danger in my mind of “cultural Marxism” or “communism” or whatever you want to call that model of power. When the state has more power than the family, when teachers are agents of the state, and when men have no power whatever (or relinquish it for boyish pursuits…likely because the men in question are descended from the genetic weaklings left over after the 20th century genocides), children often bear the brunt.

    It’s also worth bearing in mind that women have a strong social sense and can use it effectively to deploy and manipulate both personal, and social, AND institutional power over others, including children.

    That’s likely evolutionary, so my answer isn’t the kneejerk “Dark Goddess” misogynistic masturbation we hear so much of lately. Women’s superior social sense will deploy institutional power better than men are likely to, and the more they do this, the more feminized those institutions will become. If men are–as I sometimes put it at home–“social retards,” then we need to up our game…as we learn to stop abandoning our sons and daughters.

    Unfortunately, there are many men who don’t want to go to the trouble of fighting for their children like this, never mind for others’ children, as you did.

    In any event I’m glad to see this tranny nonsense getting tied to MxP. That’s been my view of it for at least 20 years.

  67. @Haruto Rat
    @Anonymous


    The peanut allergy hysteria (which seems to have subsided) was driven by women like this.
     
    Them, and Dan Brown.

    Rémy dying from peanut allergy was perhaps the least plausible episode in Da Vinci Code, despite quite some competition.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Olorin

    One of my undergrad students spent a week in the hospital fighting for his life after accidentally eating a peanut M&M that somehow had found its way into the bag of plain M&Ms in the candy dish at his frat house. His bros knew he had a peanut allergy, and he was well liked, so there were no indications this was done deliberately.

    It’s a real thing, though somewhat more rare than your average Special Needs Champion Mommy might assert. White people of northern ancestry have not been big eaters of tropical ground nut proteins over the past 50,000 years. (My student was of Alpine German and northern Italian extraction.) I have never had anaphylactic shock/breathing crisis from eating peanuts, but there have been times when my overall allergy reactions are up (usually during densely mildewy times of year when there’s a lot of wet field/soil/forest work) that peanuts make my lips and tongue swell up. Thus I avoid them as a matter of course and stick to Northern tree nuts.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Olorin

    First time I heard about peanut allergies was in 1985 when I rewarded coworkers who'd helped me on a big project by taking them to a Thai restaurant. One lady didn't eat anything because of the omni-presence of peanut oil in all the pans in a Thai kitchen. She was real nice about it.

  68. @Olorin
    @Haruto Rat

    One of my undergrad students spent a week in the hospital fighting for his life after accidentally eating a peanut M&M that somehow had found its way into the bag of plain M&Ms in the candy dish at his frat house. His bros knew he had a peanut allergy, and he was well liked, so there were no indications this was done deliberately.

    It's a real thing, though somewhat more rare than your average Special Needs Champion Mommy might assert. White people of northern ancestry have not been big eaters of tropical ground nut proteins over the past 50,000 years. (My student was of Alpine German and northern Italian extraction.) I have never had anaphylactic shock/breathing crisis from eating peanuts, but there have been times when my overall allergy reactions are up (usually during densely mildewy times of year when there's a lot of wet field/soil/forest work) that peanuts make my lips and tongue swell up. Thus I avoid them as a matter of course and stick to Northern tree nuts.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    First time I heard about peanut allergies was in 1985 when I rewarded coworkers who’d helped me on a big project by taking them to a Thai restaurant. One lady didn’t eat anything because of the omni-presence of peanut oil in all the pans in a Thai kitchen. She was real nice about it.

  69. @Beavertales
    Keep an eye on Charlize Theron. A great actor, but she's now presenting her adopted black son as transgender. Seeing as how she can't keep a relationship with a man, she probably shouldn't be raising a male, let alone one of a different race.

    Replies: @El Dato, @dfordoom

    Keep an eye on Charlize Theron. A great actor

    She’s an actress. That sounds like nit-picking but in our current world control of the language is everything.

  70. @Autochthon
    @El Dato


    When you consider that men are far more likely to be at the root of familial abuse....
     
    This is nonsense; he may as well have written "When you consider that chimpanzees are much better swimmers than are dolphins...."

    Females abuse both their spouses and their children at significantly higher rates than do males. Mountains of empirical studies have documented this phenomenon. The Narrative, however, demands everyone close his eyes and imagine the caricature of a fat, greasy man in a white tank top stained by mustard slapping his family around, because that is what people see on teevee.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Females abuse both their spouses and their children at significantly higher rates than do males. Mountains of empirical studies have documented this phenomenon. The Narrative, however, demands everyone close his eyes and imagine the caricature of a fat, greasy man in a white tank top stained by mustard slapping his family around, because that is what people see on teevee.

    Yes, sad but true.

    And then of course there are the sky-high domestic violence rates among lesbians, but that’s another hatefact.

  71. @eugyppius
    @Autochthon

    Just to clarify: I understand that, if the allegations are true, she defrauded Medicaid for which she was ineligible. I was only asking why one would even bother to commit such a fraud, which seems to profit the perpetrator not at all.

    Replies: @snorlax, @Alden

    Mom didn’t benefit by the Medicaid fraud. The money went directly to the medical providers.

    But with Medicaid, the medical providers got less pay than they would have had by other insurance. And if child’s father could provide that much money for child support Mom was cheating Medicaid.

    Similar to if she claimed she wasn’t getting child support was unemployed and went on welfare.

  72. @Dr. X

    “You could give me all the money in the world, and I would give it back to you to be able to watch this again,” the girl’s mother, Kelly Renee Turner, told reporters at the time.

    Six months later, Olivia died after “a long battle to a rare disease” that required “many operations and numerous stays in the hospital,” according to her obituary.

    But now the authorities say most of Olivia’s medical problems were made up. Ms. Turner, 41, was arrested Friday on charges of first-degree murder in her daughter’s death, after a yearlong investigation found that she had Olivia treated for conditions the girl did not have and withdrew medical care when Olivia was in hospice. …
     
    ISLAM IS RIGHT ABOUT WOMEN

    Replies: @Alden

    The article is terrible. What were the Drs doing in all this? Did the mom poison her? Starve or dehydrate her? What did the Mom do? What did the Drs not do?

    Of course, Drs who take Medicaid………………

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