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From the Los Angeles Times:

Who is the California man who just pleaded guilty to unwittingly aiding Russian interference in the 2016 election?

By MATT HAMILTON, JAMES QUEALLY and MICHAEL LIVINGSTON
FEB 16, 2018 | 6:10 PM
| SANTA PAULA, CALIF.

A California man who pleaded guilty to identity theft as part of the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election was a self-described digital marketing strategist who once ran a website that helped people get around security measures for online marketplaces such as Amazon and EBay.

Richard Pinedo, 28, of Santa Paula, pleaded guilty this month to one count of identity fraud as part of the investigation, according to court documents made public Friday by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III. …

According to court documents, Pinedo operated an online auction service called Auction Essistance that “offered a variety of services designed to circumvent the security features of large online digital payment companies.” The company’s LinkedIn page touts Auction Essistance as a haven for users who have been unfairly banned from Amazon or EBay because of negative reviews or false allegations.

“More and more people have found out that EBay has suspended their accounts or have sided with buyers for ridiculous claims that these buyers have filed…. One negative comment or feedback on your Amazon seller account and you are banned,” the company’s online biography reads. “We are committed to helping you to get back to selling or begin to sell for first timers.”

Through the company, Pinedo sold bank account numbers to users, according to court documents. He often purchased stolen bank information over the internet before selling it to his clients.

Pinedo confessed to selling some stolen accounts to users outside the United States, including those the special counsel’s office accused of being involved in the plot to swing the election.

While the criminal charge against Pinedo says he knowingly dealt with people outside the U.S. — both in buying and selling account numbers — a law enforcement official told The Times there is no evidence that he knew he was dealing with a Russian intelligence operation.

He profited “tens of thousands of dollars” from the sale of banking information online through Auction Essistance, according to court documents.

Dr. Evil time …

Lessem said Pinedo had dealings with some of the defendants listed in the indictment, but stressed that those interactions represented a small piece of his client’s overall business.

So, a small fraction of Pinedo’s “tens of thousands of dollars” came from Russians?

Pinedo was the only employee of Auction Essistance, according to documents filed with the California secretary of state’s office.

“It’s not as if everyone he was working with was part of this overall scheme. This was not the typical client of his online enterprise,” Lessem said. …

A photo on the LinkedIn page shows him with a wide smile and dark, slick-backed hair.

His LinkedIn page says he worked at Auction Essistance from 2012 to 2014, but federal court documents say his time with the company lasted until 2017. The company was registered with the California secretary of state’s office in 2013, based at what appears to be Pinedo’s home address in Santa Paula.

Santa Paula is an 80% Hispanic farm town that claims to be the “Citrus Capital of the World.” David Spade’s 2001 movie Joe Dirt was filmed there.

Pinedo also had a brief stint as a sales associate at LA Fitness

The Special Prosecutor released this video of Pinedo’s entry into the world of international intelligence operations while working at LA Fitness:

, and his online resume said he attended Ventura College, earning a computer science associate’s degree in 2009.

 
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  1. This is hilarious. I guess that’s about it for the Mueller investigation. I think that Trump’s super-power is the ability to induce total enraged, deranged insanity in his enemies, causing them to destroy themselves in the most entertaining ways possible.

    • Replies: @Anon7
    @Tim Howells

    "... the ability to induce total enraged, deranged insanity in his enemies, causing them to destroy themselves..."

    There is nothing insane about the Russia investigation. In fact, it has worked perfectly, beyond the wildest dreams of Democrat strategists. It has hamstrung the Trump administration almost completely for more than a year, by preventing Republicans from associating themselves with him. Republican senators and congressmen are cowards, of course, and card-carrying members of the Swamp; they'll applaud during the State of the Union, but they won't go against the media, which is the propaganda arm of the Democrat party. Half of American voters believe that President Trump committed a crime relating to colluding with Russians.

    If you think that this is it for the Russia investigation, we'll see. I'll bet it's a huge factor in the 2020 presidential election, should Mr. Trump choose to run again.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @guest, @Coemgen, @Tim Howells

    , @Clyde
    @Tim Howells

    But but but Bob Mueller is a Republican. This is what the libbies keep mentioning. That if the super duper honorable Bob Mueller is after his fellow Republican Donald Trump, this must be the most necessary, most ethical investigation ever!

    , @candid_observer
    @Tim Howells

    Yeah, I've come to the view that, by this point, pretty much everything Trump does, or doesn't, do, works for him.

    If what he does (or doesn't) do seems moderate and reasonable, then he looks good for being moderate and Presidential.

    If what he does or says is over the top, or even a gross hyperbole or outright inaccurate, his opposition goes into a uncontrollable frenzy, dead sure that they've finally got him. And then they distort more and lie more than he ever came close to doing. They wind up looking 10 times worse than he does.

    So, heads, The Donald wins, tails, they lose.

    Basically, he's conducting a permanent negative campaign, and winning.

  2. The walls are closing in, lol

    • Replies: @CCZ
    @Anonym

    Poor (Canadian or American) Tiny Duck, no one seems to agree with him (from his previous post):

    "BOOM goes the dynamite....We have SOLID PROOF of collusion with the Russians to help Trump steal the election."

    So the FBI (Federal Bureau of Incompetence) identified a bunch of internet trolls and ignored a real threat that cost 17 young people their lives. Billions and billions of dollars for "homeland security" and electronic monitoring of almost everything and they can't identify someone who multiple times publicly displayed his mass shooter mentality and intent and was known to be mentally troubled and have access to guns.

    F--k--g Bureau of Incompetence

  3. I also liked idiot child Bob Mueller’s indictment of the 11 or 12 Russians who will never be extradited. Nothingburger is the word conservatives have been using. Come on, Mueller is just a semi-senile ol duffer, out of the loop figurehead, picked by the Deep Swamp to give this so called Russian collusion investigation a (pathetic) cover of gravitas and respectability. I say pathetic because this is Deep Swamp thinking at its most clonish, how they try to dazzle the rubes.
    The real leader of this anti-Donald witch hunt is DC untouchable Andrew Weissmann, tenacious and unethical lifer at Justice. His misdeeds are all over google, bing etc.

    https://heavy.com/news/2017/10/andrew-weissman-weissman-mueller-investigation-lawyer-attorney/
    Regarded by some as a fierce prosecutor known for his strategies of flipping lower-level defendants on bigger targets (and even going after family members), Weissmann is controversial in other circles, both for his campaign donations to Barack Obama and Democrats and for what some regard as overreaching prosecutions sometimes overturned by higher courts, including in the high-profile Enron case. Tucker Carlson reported on December 5 that Andrew Weissmann “sent an email to outgoing Acting Attorney General Sally Yates, praising her for refusing to enforce the first iteration of Trump’s travel ban,” according to Fox News.

  4. Wow. Drumpf, it’s over for you.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @AndrewR


    Wow. Drumpf, it’s over for you.
     
    What would we do without your trenchant analysis?

    Replies: @J.Ross

  5. Richard Pinedo, another enterprising /pursuing the American dream!/ ____ Son of legal/illegal ____ migrants/immigrants/refugees? Hopefully we find out soon. He looks Cubano to me, not Russian. Not a son of the author of evil, Vladimir Putin.

  6. enrique (2015 male of the year) had a russian wife ,this guy worked for the russians! OMG russians are every where……Putin (male of the century) is like the leucistic panther

  7. So what is the crime here? Pretending to be American? I thought wanting to be American was the highest aspiration of humankind.

    • Replies: @tyrone
    @Henry's Cat

    the crime?.bad mouthing hilary of course ,oh you didn't know that was a crime, well that's just not who we are any more.

    , @anonymouslee
    @Henry's Cat

    It was HER turn

    And Drumpf said pussy

    , @Seamus Padraig
    @Henry's Cat

    Yes! 'Give me your tired, your poor, your Russian trolls ...'

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Henry's Cat

    Henry, pretending isn't dreaming. Dreamers are protected, pretenders get indicted, apparently.

    Replies: @Henry's Cat

    , @guest
    @Henry's Cat

    Le Resistance and NeverTrumpers alike have been in many cases reduced to splitting hairs about the difference between non-Russian illegals and Russian foreign influencers. It's consistently hilarious.

    At least NeverTrumpers can fall back on the Cold War and FX's dramatic series the Americans. Plus a smidgen of suspicion of the majority of illegals.

    Replies: @Henry's Cat

  8. Mrs. Sailer has a deadly eye for the guffaw-inducing mugshot.

    • Replies: @Vinteuil
    @Art Deco

    Do you have some reason to believe that it was Mrs. Sailer, not Mr. Sailer, who spotted that pic?

  9. Is it time for a liberaltarian de-helicoptering yet?

    No?

    I will just continue watching War Dogs, then.

  10. @Henry's Cat
    So what is the crime here? Pretending to be American? I thought wanting to be American was the highest aspiration of humankind.

    Replies: @tyrone, @anonymouslee, @Seamus Padraig, @Buffalo Joe, @guest

    the crime?.bad mouthing hilary of course ,oh you didn’t know that was a crime, well that’s just not who we are any more.

  11. @Henry's Cat
    So what is the crime here? Pretending to be American? I thought wanting to be American was the highest aspiration of humankind.

    Replies: @tyrone, @anonymouslee, @Seamus Padraig, @Buffalo Joe, @guest

    It was HER turn

    And Drumpf said pussy

  12. The Obama admin wanted to conduct a CREEP-style wiretap break-in on the Trump campaign so the deep state manufactured fake pretenses like the golden shower dossier and others. To further cover themselves from going to prison once the illegalities were revealed, the deep staters now manufactured these indictment trivialities so at least they have something entered on black-letter record that can retroactively justify their break in. The Republic is dead but it all does make for a nice little airport bookstore thriller.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Coag

    CREEPers may have been Deep Staters, but they were firmly on the political side. Watergate would've been the same if Nixon had employed private investigators.

    The Obama administration, on the other hand, sought to pervert the Justice Department into the Just-Us Department, roping the courts into it in the process. Much worse.

  13. HA HA DRUMPF IS FINISHED

    • Replies: @grapesoda
    @Ricky Vaughn

    Drumpf = Rasputin

  14. @Henry's Cat
    So what is the crime here? Pretending to be American? I thought wanting to be American was the highest aspiration of humankind.

    Replies: @tyrone, @anonymouslee, @Seamus Padraig, @Buffalo Joe, @guest

    Yes! ‘Give me your tired, your poor, your Russian trolls …’

  15. So, a small piece of Pinedo’s “tens of thousands of dollars”?

    Well, according Zuckerburg, Russia’s media buy on Facebook during the campaign only amounted to 46 grand total–and it turns out that much of that actually consisted of pictures of puppies.

  16. The Left seems to think this is a kill shot while also cognizant of the fact you don’t release your kill shot at 4pm on the Friday before a holiday weekend.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Jack Hanson

    They don't think that.

    They say it, but that's because they're liars.

    , @El Dato
    @Jack Hanson

    Yuropean Media seems convinced this all spells Deep Trouble for Trump.

    It's like when you feel you are really living the logic of a post-2000 George Lucas movie.

    Replies: @e

  17. The American Left and its Neocon twin are both simultaneously evil and absurdly comic.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Jake

    Yes, Li'l Billy Kristol is entertaining on Twitter.

    I'd say he's blowing through his credibility, but he doesn't have any.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  18. I seem to recall that Samta Paula was the site of a disastrous dam collapse in the early 20th century. The man responsible was none other than William Mulholland.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    Right, Santa Paula was the main town wiped out by the St. Francis Dam collapse in 1926. Santa Paula has a bronze statue of the two motorcycle cops who got a lot of people out in the nick of time by warning everybody to leave.

  19. Why does it take three “journalists” to write this kind of tripe? But then again, maybe they see this as Pulitzer prize worthy – speaking truth to power and all.

    • Replies: @Laugh Track
    @Jim Don Bob


    Why does it take three “journalists” to write this kind of tripe? But then again, maybe they see this as Pulitzer prize worthy – speaking truth to power and all.
     
    It seems to me that the bylines on news articles at many major MSM newspapers these days (NYTimes, WaPo, LATimes, etc.) often run to 3-4 journalists, commonly an almost laughably "diverse" mix of ethnic names. Perhaps newspaper articles were always a concoction of multiple hands, but only now are they all getting credit in the bylines. OTOH, maybe it is part of the same propaganda effort that has nearly every commercial on TV display a diverse group of friends, consumers, disease-sufferers all amiably co-existing in a liberal's wet dream universe.

    Even the NBA All-Star entertainment slot tonight between the 3-point contest and the slam dunk contest was devoted to NBA players (and singers) vowing their allegiance to Unity, Equality, and Diversity. Perhaps ESPN can send out some investigative journalists to discover whose idea all this was. It just didn't happen spontaneously.
  20. I love it when you admit Churchill raped the west. You and Cochran. And Derbyshire.

    A hearty fuck you to the lot of you and all News Ltd “journalists”.

  21. @Tim Howells
    This is hilarious. I guess that's about it for the Mueller investigation. I think that Trump's super-power is the ability to induce total enraged, deranged insanity in his enemies, causing them to destroy themselves in the most entertaining ways possible.

    Replies: @Anon7, @Clyde, @candid_observer

    “… the ability to induce total enraged, deranged insanity in his enemies, causing them to destroy themselves…”

    There is nothing insane about the Russia investigation. In fact, it has worked perfectly, beyond the wildest dreams of Democrat strategists. It has hamstrung the Trump administration almost completely for more than a year, by preventing Republicans from associating themselves with him. Republican senators and congressmen are cowards, of course, and card-carrying members of the Swamp; they’ll applaud during the State of the Union, but they won’t go against the media, which is the propaganda arm of the Democrat party. Half of American voters believe that President Trump committed a crime relating to colluding with Russians.

    If you think that this is it for the Russia investigation, we’ll see. I’ll bet it’s a huge factor in the 2020 presidential election, should Mr. Trump choose to run again.

    • Agree: Kylie
    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @Anon7

    Anon7 wrote:


    There is nothing insane about the Russia investigation. In fact, it has worked perfectly, beyond the wildest dreams of Democrat strategists. It has hamstrung the Trump administration almost completely for more than a year, by preventing Republicans from associating themselves with him.
     
    Well... Trump got Gorsuch on the High Court. He got his (in my opinion, not very good) tax bill through. He got rid of the individual mandate in Obamacare.

    Seems to me that Trump is getting done what he wants to get done while his enemies waste their time over this incredible Russian silliness. (What? Russians posted their opinions on Facebook?? And they did not admit they were Russians??? Don't they know that everyone has to give full information about himself publicly in any online posting??)

    And, in the RCP averages, support for Trump and the GOP is slowly moving up.

    In pure pragmatic political terms, the longer Trump lets Mueller make a fool of himself, the better Trump seems to do.

    (Note: I have never been a Trump partisan myself. In my opinion, the best that can be said for Trump is simply that he is not Hillary, Jeb!, Marco, etc.)
    , @guest
    @Anon7

    They have slowed Trump down, not hamstrung him. He's been more successful thus far on getting what he wants done than any Republican president in my memory.

    His opponents have succeeded in keeping an air of crisis surrounding his administration. But that's because they have a near-monopoly on the courts, the mainstream press, the Permanent Government, and the Deep State. The courts didn't need Russia-gate to stand in his way, and the Permanent Government could've stonewalled without it.

    Weigh the advantage they've gotten out of pretending a president executing his own authority is obstruction of justice against all the credibility they've burned through.

    They may be ahead right now, but the Spy versus Spy stuff has only begun. The Obama administration has its own Watergate in the early stages, whereas the never-ending crisis of Trump scandals (or "scandals") hasn't yet amounted to much.

    They can carry it out through 2020, but it will be running on fumes. Think instead what might have happened had they treated Trump like a regular Evil Republican president. They could have done much better, I think.

    Replies: @Alfa158, @MarkinLA

    , @Coemgen
    @Anon7

    "Half of American voters" are average intelligence or less.

    Also, I suspect there is considerable overlap between voters who believe Trump colluded with Russians in 2016 and voters who believe the Benghazi 9/11 was due to a video--not that these voters are necessarily, on average, of lower intelligence.

    Association with a political party (for example) is akin to what I'll call a compartmentalized psychosis. Intelligent and rational people quickly become irrational idiots when their political party (again, for example) is the subject of discussion. There's surely a way to make use of this observation but, if I was sharp enough to do so, I'd be rich...with my own private island...and a harem...

    , @Tim Howells
    @Anon7

    I was making this very argument the other day, but my wife actually convinced me I was wrong. Trump has actually been quietly advancing his agenda as well as could possibly be expected given the ferocious opposition of Democrats, respectable Republicans, the Deep State, and the entire mainstream media with the exception of the Carlson faction at Fox. Furthermore it is a very positive thing that the fight with the Deep State is being conducted under the spotlights. JFK, Nixon, and Carter tried to keep their conflicts with DS under wraps, which did not work out well for any of them. One great additional benefit for Trump is that it drives his core supporters (like myself) more and more firmly into his camp, when the inevitable political compromises tend to have the opposite effect.

    Even the major polls, all heavily biased against Trump, are showing that a majority or plurality of Americans think that the investigation is politically motivated and highly suspect and unfair. I don't think this will be a positive factor at all for the Democrats either in this year's elections or 2020 - quite the opposite. The smarter Democrats like Robert Parry (RIP), Noam Chomsky and Jimmy Dore have been tearing their hair out over this since the Russia mania started.

  22. What you call ‘getting a lot of value for your money’ – spend a few tens of thousands of dollars on Twitter and Facebook trolls, and throw the Americans into years of moral panic. Well it doesn’t take a lot to push unstable people over the edge.

  23. I think it’s time for war with russia

    They stole our election and denied Mrs. Clinton her time

    This will e the downfall of trump

    You just wait

    This is only the beginning

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @Tiny Duck

    Tiny Duck wrote:


    I think it’s time for war with russia

    They stole our election and denied Mrs. Clinton her time
     
    And people think you lack a sense of humor!


    We love ya, Tiny!

    Replies: @CCZ

    , @Stan Adams
    @Tiny Duck


    I think it’s time for war with russia
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKqXu-5jw60

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkyWs6feLaU#t=13m30s
  24. @Tim Howells
    This is hilarious. I guess that's about it for the Mueller investigation. I think that Trump's super-power is the ability to induce total enraged, deranged insanity in his enemies, causing them to destroy themselves in the most entertaining ways possible.

    Replies: @Anon7, @Clyde, @candid_observer

    But but but Bob Mueller is a Republican. This is what the libbies keep mentioning. That if the super duper honorable Bob Mueller is after his fellow Republican Donald Trump, this must be the most necessary, most ethical investigation ever!

  25. Read count 12, item b at bottom of page 7 of the Mueller indictment. Is this a joke? What am I reading? This rises to the level of a crime?

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1035562/download

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @jill

    No. I think b refers to the second half of sentence a above. Nevertheless, it adds to the sense that they are grasping at straws to justify their investigation.

    , @PhysicistDave
    @jill

    It's actually worth reading through the indictment to which jill linked. Parts of it are (presumably unintentionally) really quite funny. Maybe the funniest (paragraph 12b) is:


    For example, on or about May 29, 2016, Defendants and their co-conspirators, through an ORGANIZATION-controlled social media account, arranged for a real U.S. person to stand in front of the White House in the District of Columbia under false pretenses to hold a sign that read “Happy 55th Birthday Dear Boss.” Defendants and their co-conspirators informed the real U.S. person that the sign was for someone who “is a leader here and our boss . . . our funder.” PRIGOZHIN’s Russian passport identifies his date of birth as June 1, 1961.
     
    Ooooh! Isn't that sweet? Spies who celebrate their boss's birthday! Our democracy cannot survive such fiendish monsters!

    It is also interesting that Mueller claims to know the following:


    After the trip, KRYLOVA and BURCHIK exchanged an intelligence report regarding the trip. [paragraph 3c)

    Another co-conspirator who worked for the ORGANIZATION traveled to Atlanta, Georgia from approximately November 26, 2014 through November 30, 2014. Following the trip, the co-conspirator provided POLOZOV a summary of his trip’s itinerary and expenses. (paragraph 30d)

    The specialists were divided into day-shift and night-shift hours and instructed to make posts in accordance with the appropriate U.S. time zone. The ORGANIZATION also circulated lists of U.S. holidays so that specialists could develop and post appropriate account activity. (paragraph 33)

     

    So... how can Mueller et al. know all these details of the internal operation of this organization -- expense reports, holiday schedules, etc.? (I'm assuming that Mueller is not just fabricating everything out of whole cloth a la the Steele dossier.)

    Did Mueller have a mole on the inside? Or are these spies so incompetent that they communicated all of this electronically, without employing easily used encryption, so that the US could easily intercept it?

    Or did these guys want to be unmasked? Was the actual point of the whole exercise not to change the election, which was obviously impossible, but rather to encourage a circus just like we are now seeing from Mueller?

    Full disclosure: I did technical work for the US Intelligence Community back in the '80s and '90s. But, of course, I have no secret information as to what the real goal of this Russian operation was.

    But, if I had to bet, I'd bet that what we are now seeing was the real purpose of the whole Russian operation: i.e. I strongly believe that Robert Mueller is in fact an (unwitting?) tool of the Russians.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Jack D, @Lugash, @Chrisnonymous

  26. When do they indict Ronald McDonald, The Burger King, and Colonel Sanders for laundering foreign funds from Russia, China, and a number of other hostile states?

  27. Gotta love the way our great investigative bureau wheels out its pathetic list of indictments right after it gets caught dropping the ball in Florida. “Oh yeah we completely ignored that school shooter, but look over here, we caught Russians posting stuff on Facebook!”

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Leaving the pot aside for the moment*, it's the affirmative action and glass-ceiling busting hiring that's made government agencies not quite the high-functioning crack operations that TV and Hollywood try to convince us is the case, on all-day CSI and Bourne *****ity/acy/atum movies. Our government agencies now operate at the level that may be seen upon viewing The Bourne Stupidity. I look forward to an iSteve review.

    In all seriousness, your comment makes sense in an era of anarcho-tyranny. Focus, investigate, and indict the small fry in realms of negligible importance, and don't touch the serious stuff that they want to let happen. Feds like the shootings, as it brings calls for more Fed LEO business and also gun control.

    .
    .


    * cough, cough ... put it back in that box of Chinese tea, cough, nobody .... will, cough, ... every find it there... cough, cough....
    cough, cough, cough ... It takes a clear mind to .... cough, ... it ...
    cough, cough, hack, cough, cough .... it takes a clear mind to take it ... cough,
    or, cough, a clear, cough, cough, mind NOT to take it?
    cough, it takes, cough cough, cough, a clear mind to MAKE it.

    , @Seth Largo
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Other than his stance on immigration, there is nothing I like about Sessions.

    Replies: @David Davenport

    , @gunner29
    @Buzz Mohawk


    Gotta love the way our great investigative bureau wheels out its pathetic list of indictments right after it gets caught dropping the ball in Florida. “Oh yeah we completely ignored that school shooter, but look over here, we caught Russians posting stuff on Facebook!”
     
    And announce it on Friday! So it gets one day of traction until the weekend and by Monday, it's old news. Clinton and other dems always did their dumps on Friday....

    I doubt many peeps are even aware the Russkie's are still in Russia and will continue to do the wild and crazy postings on Fakebook! It's not something that is mentioned in the MSM reports I seen. DU and Kos expects to see them being frog marched into the Federal Court!

    What a farce.....

    The US army just gave the Ukrainian army 2500 night vision gadgets, so they can run around at night making trouble. Pretty sure if the Russians handed out the same near the US, we'd go berzerk...

    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Buzz Mohawk

    True. The upper bound on bureaucratic stupidity is a fallen digit 8 that can't get up.

  28. Looking forward a bit, the likely outcome of all this will be a law or set of laws that make it illegal for foreign governmental agencies and foreign nationals to interfere with elections in the USA.
    At which point foreign governments will pass similar laws. So ask yourself which nations interfere in other nations elections the most. Colour revolutions anyone? The Russian Federation has already removed various American “NGOs” over the past several election cycles for interfering in Russian elections. The nations that do the most direct interference in USA elections at all levels are the Mexican and the Israeli.
    This nothingburger has some interesting condiments available to it.

    • Replies: @Aardvark
    @CK


    Looking forward a bit, the likely outcome of all this will be a law or set of laws that make it illegal for foreign governmental agencies and foreign nationals to interfere with elections in the USA.
     
    Don’t we already have such laws, if you are a foreign agent you are required to register as one?
    Oh, except if you are from Israel...
  29. The wonders of scale. It amazes me what people come up with to eke out a living on the Internet. Poor sod could have just joined Amway.

    Seriously, this little goofball gets the All-Seeing Eye unleashed on him and has to hire a lawyer and now has a criminal record over this. He’ll probably get death threats too. I guess that’s scale as well.

    • Replies: @Lugash
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    I'm surprised the feds indicted him. He's obviously got no one up the pyramid to flip on. I'm sure the feds were threatening decades in prison on him, but what if he said no? They'd have to reveal sources and methods.

    I'd don't feel bad for him though. He's part of a subclass of lazy grifters, while not energetically evil, lack any moral compass. He's a lot like Casey Serin.

    Replies: @guest

    , @International Jew
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    I'm trying to figure out just what kinds of services his little business was providing. IMO that's the most interesting part of this story.

    I've long been puzzled about the spectacularly high ratings (often above 99%) of sellers on Ebay. How is that possible?? Even the most conscientious business attracts some chronic complainers, and they've got to be way more than 1%.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

  30. “Well thank God! At least they indicted SOMEONE!”

    • Replies: @TheJester
    @Jim Given


    “Well thank God! At least they indicted SOMEONE!”
     
    But SOMEONE was a NOBODY. Does that mean anything?
  31. Had Pinedo been a dreamer, it would have been very entertaining to watch the reaction of the usual suspects.

  32. Apropos to my last comment about why I don’t like modern movies:

    See, this is what I’m talking about – back in the James Bond days, when the Cold War was going on, both the bad guys and the good guys were big time. The villians had the kind of money that could take down a western country’s economy. They could afford 20 space shuttles of their own. They had 1/2 – mile long caves in the hills with all of their bad-guy weapons and personnel, with a way to sail a freakin’ submarine in there.

    The good guys had an infinite supply of money for the guys at the lab that could develop the pen-semi-autos, the cars with ejection seats, and some space shuttles and submarines to chase down the bad guys’ space shuttles and submarines.

    The real “parties” in the Cold War did have lots of money, there was lots of hardware, intrigue, and intriguing people involved. How in hell can you make an action movie today based on today’s real life, when we just got this one villian spending 10’s of THOUSANDS of dollars from his California Compound Santa Paula ranch house living room? I’m no producer, Steve, as you may well know, but give me something to work with, people!

    • LOL: Bill B.
  33. The FBI spent more time investigating Kurt Eichenwald’s supposed seizure by gif than concise reports of Nikolas Cruz.

    Let that sink in.

    • Agree: Vinteuil
    • Replies: @Vinteuil
    @Jack Hanson

    The FBI today pretty much defines the expression "anarcho-tyranny."

    , @Art Deco
    @Jack Hanson

    Cruz was an ill-tempered adolescent collecting guns. Monitoring him was the business of the Florida state police, not federal law enforcement.

    Replies: @Jack D

  34. They are going with a constant stream of infidelities next, it seems.

  35. The last propaganda gasp of the American Empire’s evil ruling class is Racism — Racism — Racism and/or Russia — Russia — Russia.

    White Core Americans must remove the evil WASP / Jew ruling class from power. The WASP / Jew ruling class has no message besides “Racism” or “Russia” to justify their continued control of the political power in the American Empire.

    The WASP / Jew ruling class, like other globalized ruling classes in other nations, has used concentrated propaganda power and monetary policy to maintain themselves in power. It is no coincidence that the propaganda and the monetary policy of the ruling class have both become unhinged at the same time. The evil ruling class of the American Empire will do anything to stay in power.

    White Core Americans are being attacked as “racists” when they demand immigration limitations and deportations of illegal aliens. Political leaders are accused of colluding with “Russians” when they make campaign promises to put America first and to put the interests of American citizens ahead of the interests of foreigners.

    The evil WASP / Jew ruling class will have to be removed from power. White Core Americans will win this war to save the United States of America.

  36. @Buzz Mohawk
    Gotta love the way our great investigative bureau wheels out its pathetic list of indictments right after it gets caught dropping the ball in Florida. "Oh yeah we completely ignored that school shooter, but look over here, we caught Russians posting stuff on Facebook!"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7CLzSQZJCU

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Seth Largo, @gunner29, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Leaving the pot aside for the moment*, it’s the affirmative action and glass-ceiling busting hiring that’s made government agencies not quite the high-functioning crack operations that TV and Hollywood try to convince us is the case, on all-day CSI and Bourne *****ity/acy/atum movies. Our government agencies now operate at the level that may be seen upon viewing The Bourne Stupidity. I look forward to an iSteve review.

    In all seriousness, your comment makes sense in an era of anarcho-tyranny. Focus, investigate, and indict the small fry in realms of negligible importance, and don’t touch the serious stuff that they want to let happen. Feds like the shootings, as it brings calls for more Fed LEO business and also gun control.

    .
    .

    * cough, cough … put it back in that box of Chinese tea, cough, nobody …. will, cough, … every find it there… cough, cough….
    cough, cough, cough … It takes a clear mind to …. cough, … it …
    cough, cough, hack, cough, cough …. it takes a clear mind to take it … cough,
    or, cough, a clear, cough, cough, mind NOT to take it?
    cough, it takes, cough cough, cough, a clear mind to MAKE it.

  37. Wow. Outstanding. I’m sure I speak for all my taxpaying American citizen compatriots when I say it was TOTALLY WORTH the millions of dollars for this Independent Counsel investigation that bagged all 12 of these perfidious Russians who spent, what, $100,000(?) to swing those millions of voters from Hillary to The Donald. Way to go Mr. Meuller! You rock! Take that Drumpf! (Sarc off).

    How many nefarious Russian/Soviet soldiers have conducted operations against us over the years here on our soil again? Oh yeah, NONE. But the great Democrat hero Woodrow Wilson sent 16,000 American troops in to Russia in 1918 to interfere with their internal Civil War (something the Europeans NEVER did to us during ours). Russians have LONG memories. Tell me again why I’m supposed to be outraged that the Russians may use some low-level clandestine ops to manipulate us while they laugh?

    • Replies: @Jeffrey S.
    @Captain Tripps

    If ever there was a time and place to interfere with someone's Civil War, Russia's was that time and place. I just wish we had interfered effectively to help the White Russians and stop the October Revolution in its crib -- we could have saved the world a lot of suffering to have strangled the communist revolution in its infancy.

  38. Does it establish a precedent? Can any American, German or Canadian who posted ‘disparaging remarks‘ about Putin on Facebook be charged with ‘interfering with Russia’s elections‘?

    Large percentage of identities on social media are fake, are they all stealing identities? Disagreeable social interactions online have just been criminalised. So much for the land of freedom…

  39. The conspiracy goes all the way…to the bottom rungs of LA Fitness.

    Does this remind anyone else of Burn After Reading?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Reginald Maplethorp

    Thanks.

  40. The US “Justice system” is in danger of becoming a laughing stock in the eyes of the outside world.

  41. @Buzz Mohawk
    Gotta love the way our great investigative bureau wheels out its pathetic list of indictments right after it gets caught dropping the ball in Florida. "Oh yeah we completely ignored that school shooter, but look over here, we caught Russians posting stuff on Facebook!"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7CLzSQZJCU

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Seth Largo, @gunner29, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Other than his stance on immigration, there is nothing I like about Sessions.

    • Replies: @David Davenport
    @Seth Largo

    Harder for you to sale dope since Jeff Sessions became AG, isn't it?

    Plus, Sessions is a Southerner and a Christian and he's so-o-o square!

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  42. It’s noteworthy that foreigners can be indicted for trolling on social networks (Russians) but not for financing propaganda efforts to the tune of tens of million dollars (Soros.)

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Anonymous

    Soros became an American citizen; I'm not sure when. I read what he said about it in an interview, and his attitude was that he was doing us all a big favor.

  43. Santa Paula is an 80% Hispanic farm town that claims to be the “Citrus Capital of the World.

    Like Bob Mueller, they know how to make lemon-flavored Koolaid out of lemons.

    So the Russians spread a bit of mischievous propaganda on the Internet, but where is the proof that they were threatening voters at the polls, or rigging voting machines, or interfering with the count.

    The US really needs international observers to ensure fair elections.

    Next up: Obama indicted for trying to influence Brexit vote with threats of trade war with UK.

    • Replies: @Anonymousse
    @Jonathan Mason

    Russian nationals were trying to influence US policy and elections?

    Outrageous.

    DACA recipients and their parents should take to the streets again over this and not stop protesting or engaging in civil disobedience till Blumpfgh is removed from office

    Replies: @CCZ

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @Jonathan Mason

    When the left orchestrates a year-long hysteria, it can't wrap it up by admitting there was nothing there. It will find something that it can point to and say, "There! We told you there were shenanigans going on." No admission that the shenanigans it uncovered justify about two percent of the hysteria it orchestrated.

    I noticed this phenomenon after the narrative collapse of the Michael Brown shooting. When it turned out that everything NPR had been telling us for a year or so was wrong, did it acknowledge its error? No, it pointed to the Justice Department's report that there was indeed racism afoot in Ferguson--some cops had shared racial jokes in emails and blacks got a disproportionate share of traffic tickets. To uncover that damning evidence made all the attention on Ferguson well worth it!

    Replies: @J.Ross

  44. So the Russians have infiltrated the “Citrus Capital of the World.” Who would notice a Russian among a population that is 80% Hispanic? Probably a plot to get the pickers to let the crops rot on the trees. Picture an America without orange juice. That is diabolical.

  45. @Henry's Cat
    So what is the crime here? Pretending to be American? I thought wanting to be American was the highest aspiration of humankind.

    Replies: @tyrone, @anonymouslee, @Seamus Padraig, @Buffalo Joe, @guest

    Henry, pretending isn’t dreaming. Dreamers are protected, pretenders get indicted, apparently.

    • Replies: @Henry's Cat
    @Buffalo Joe

    I'm not Henry. He just feeds and shelters me.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Reg Cæsar

  46. Picture an America without orange juice. That is diabolical.

    Americans should boycott orange juice unless it is certified as picked with American hands.

    There are already quasi-official standards for certifying produce as organic. This could be expanded to cover home-grown and picked.

    • Agree: Nico
  47. Are all the lefty talk show host morons going to apologize for their orgasmic paens to Mueller for the past 8 months?

  48. Well Mueller found his way out. But I’ll bet Rosenstein is still trying to trade shutting down the investigation for his own amnesty.

  49. Seven! Seven more years!

  50. Pinedo also had a brief stint as a sales associate at LA Fitness, and his online resume said he attended Ventura College, earning a computer science associate’s degree in 2009.

    An intelligence scandal involving a former fitness gym sales associate…

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Clifford Brown

    Thanks.

  51. I guess the special prosecutor is very special, indeed.

  52. Next up: Obama indicted for trying to influence Brexit vote with threats of trade war with UK.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Charles Pewitt

    Charles, you cannot expect consistency from the Left. And do not look for honesty either. BTW, facts and experience will not be helpful in any quest for understanding. Submission is the objective of the Left. It is why they love the moose limbs. Two paths, same destination.

  53. Is it really the citrus capital of the world? Brazil is known to be the biggest orange producer, so I don’t know how an American town can make that claim.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @neutral

    Sunkist began in Fillmore, Santa Paula and a couple other towns around there in the 19th century. So it’s historic in the development of the citrus industry.

    I’ve been to Santa Paula a few times. It’s the epitome of a pretty little farm town. It has a classic small town Main Street. It was heavily built up 1870 to 1920 and has a lot of Victorian and craftsman houses they were never stuccoed over and remodeled. It’s fairly dry and desert beige rather than green.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @Federalist
    @neutral

    Maybe Mueller should indict Santa Paula for identity theft.

  54. OFF TOPIC

    I assume everybody’s seen this by now:

    https://nationaleconomicseditorial.com/2018/02/02/remittances-mexico-all-time-high/

    Pretty good website going on there.

  55. @Jonathan Mason

    Santa Paula is an 80% Hispanic farm town that claims to be the “Citrus Capital of the World.
     
    Like Bob Mueller, they know how to make lemon-flavored Koolaid out of lemons.

    So the Russians spread a bit of mischievous propaganda on the Internet, but where is the proof that they were threatening voters at the polls, or rigging voting machines, or interfering with the count.

    The US really needs international observers to ensure fair elections.

    Next up: Obama indicted for trying to influence Brexit vote with threats of trade war with UK.

    Replies: @Anonymousse, @Harry Baldwin

    Russian nationals were trying to influence US policy and elections?

    Outrageous.

    DACA recipients and their parents should take to the streets again over this and not stop protesting or engaging in civil disobedience till Blumpfgh is removed from office

    • Replies: @CCZ
    @Anonymousse

    You mean Mexican, Guatemalan, El Salvadoran, Honduran, etc. CITIZEN (foreign national) DACA recipients and their parents?? Or are they considered American citizens by virtue of just being here??

  56. These Muellar indictments have made Bill Mahr sound like Donna Brazile, something I’d have not thought possible. There are so many things wrong in what comes out of his mouth in the first few moments of this clip that I just couldn’t finish watching it.

    http://www.breitbart.com/video/2018/02/16/maher-on-mueller-indictments-how-can-they-not-be-impeaching-trump/

  57. I’m gonna hold off on commenting until Corvanus has weighed in on *just how* huge and complex this sensitive and high-tech investigation is. It’s like 1 million part flying in loose formation, bit without the implied risk of crashing.

    Plus how formidable, momentous, imposing, monumental, important, significant, portentous, and noteworthy it has become, since the last time he gave us…

    …the Twitter link…

    *dun dun dunnnnnn*

  58. Gotta love the way our great investigative bureau wheels out its pathetic list of indictments right after it gets caught dropping the ball in Florida. “Oh yeah we completely ignored that school shooter, but look over here, we caught Russians posting stuff on Facebook!”

    And not too long after the Nunes memo, and the sudden alligator arms Big Media developed regarding RUSSIA COLLUSIONZEZ! when it started looking like DEMOCRATS are the actual Russia-colluders.

    I have a movie idea; cabal of oligarchs clones PT Barnum to run our gov’t.

  59. Julius Rosenberg ran a radio repair shop. Not sure what this idea that he’s a nobody means.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @anony-mouse

    I see what you mean, Lee Harvey Oswald worked in a bookstore.

    , @J.Ross
    @anony-mouse

    The Rosenbergs were shown to be in direct and frequent contact with actual Russian agents in a trial and later in released Soviet documents, and were with others like Fuchs vital to the Soviet atomic effort, which was a huge issue. This guy sold something online. When was the last time somebody sold something online and had any idea who they were selling it to?
    (How do you pay an ID thief? Probably with a "money card" or temporary "burner" account.)

  60. Seriously though, is there a word for “rule by mass media corporations”?

    Because that’s what we have in the USA.

    Mediocracy?

    • Replies: @Samuel Skinner
    @Svigor

    Theocracy. Just because their religion is secular and lacks God, doesn't mean it isn't an insane death cult.

    , @scrivener3
    @Svigor

    I still love Mossburg Everyone would think it terrible to have a mass media censored/run by the government, but no one is concerned that we have a government run by the mass media.

  61. @Buffalo Joe
    @Henry's Cat

    Henry, pretending isn't dreaming. Dreamers are protected, pretenders get indicted, apparently.

    Replies: @Henry's Cat

    I’m not Henry. He just feeds and shelters me.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Henry's Cat

    Henry's Cat, sorry I should have figured that out little buddy. Hope he feeds you well.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Henry's Cat


    I’m not Henry. He just feeds and shelters me.
     
    And neuters?
  62. Julius Rosenberg ran a radio repair shop. Not sure what this idea that he’s a nobody means.

    1 His name is Dick Pindejo.

    But really, I think it means this:

    https://nypost.com/2018/02/16/russian-indictments-prove-trump-won-fair-and-square/

    The indictments also state forcefully that despite their social media efforts, which ranged from creative to clumsy, the Russians had no impact on the election results.

    Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein announced those findings in a flat monotone that belied their significance.

    “There is no allegation in this indictment that any American was a knowing participant in this illegal activity,” he said. “There is no allegation in the indictment that the charged conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election.”

    Jeremy Corbyn, on the other hand…

  63. Cybercrime based mainly in the former USSR and secondary concentrations is North Korea greatly degrades US quality of life. This guy should pay dearly for selling hundreds of bank accounts using information from hacked Americans. Instead, he gets 18 months and the only reason he was caught at all was his small connection to Russia’s election/disinformation hackers, who themselves are a petty operation.

    This is the sort of work that could be done by the FBI, who instead are busy keeping track of all the Jihadi sympathizers and supporters Bush and Obama admitted to the USA.

    Instead of feeding it problematic and unassimilable Muslims, Bush and Obama should have fed Big Capital’s Labor Hunger with the many poor Eastern Europeans who would like to migrate to the west, and who quickly assimilate.

    Choosing Eastern European immigrants over Muslims is yet another Worthwhile Israeli Initiative the USA should adopt. The young Russian hackers bothering us now would make excellent legitimate IT workers here, and I believe turn to crime out of boredom and lack of opportunities in Russia.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Lot


    Cybercrime based mainly in the former USSR and secondary concentrations is North Korea greatly degrades US quality of life.
     
    Not to mention the spamming of comment sections with barely-readable viagra ads. I pay my taxes off of every paycheck, and yet this stuff goes on nonetheless. I had to come up with my own diabolical plan to stop it, involving one IF-statement. I am my own FBI/NSA now. You want something done right, you've got to do it yourself!
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Lot

    I hadn't noticed the US was short of people, but I had noticed that there were plenty of US tech people being squeezed out of jobs by cheap indentured Indian labour.

    "young Russian hackers bothering us now would make excellent legitimate IT workers here"

    What could possibly go wrong? Perhaps they should employ young Chinese hackers too.

    "cybercrime based mainly in the former USSR and secondary concentrations is North Korea greatly degrades US quality of life"

    Really? Perhaps there's a /sarc tag missing. I can think of a lot of things degrading the US quality of life, like the fact that real male wages are below 1971 levels, but few or none are related to Russian hackers.

    Replies: @Anonym, @Anonymous

    , @Steve Sailer
    @Lot

    The marketing research firm where I worked in Chicago hired a bunch of Soviet Jewish programmers in the mid-1980s, but then stopped going out of its way to hire more after a few years of unfortunate experience. Communism didn't make for good workers. I wonder if this is still true?

    Replies: @nebulafox

  64. The FBI spent 2 years investigating Russian meddling in our elections and have yet to find any evidence that the DNC was even hacked, it is more likely the emails were leaked by an insider. Even the media has abandoned the hacking narrative. Hard to believe we wasted millions investigating a few thousand dollars worth of Facebook ads , and the media narrative tries to portray the trolls as part of a Russian conspiracy to interfere in our election while they ignore the conspiracy between Clinton / Obama / DOJ / FBI and Fusion GPS to frame and intimidate the Trump administration.

  65. @anony-mouse
    Julius Rosenberg ran a radio repair shop. Not sure what this idea that he's a nobody means.

    Replies: @anonymous, @J.Ross

    I see what you mean, Lee Harvey Oswald worked in a bookstore.

  66. @Tim Howells
    This is hilarious. I guess that's about it for the Mueller investigation. I think that Trump's super-power is the ability to induce total enraged, deranged insanity in his enemies, causing them to destroy themselves in the most entertaining ways possible.

    Replies: @Anon7, @Clyde, @candid_observer

    Yeah, I’ve come to the view that, by this point, pretty much everything Trump does, or doesn’t, do, works for him.

    If what he does (or doesn’t) do seems moderate and reasonable, then he looks good for being moderate and Presidential.

    If what he does or says is over the top, or even a gross hyperbole or outright inaccurate, his opposition goes into a uncontrollable frenzy, dead sure that they’ve finally got him. And then they distort more and lie more than he ever came close to doing. They wind up looking 10 times worse than he does.

    So, heads, The Donald wins, tails, they lose.

    Basically, he’s conducting a permanent negative campaign, and winning.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  67. Anonymous [AKA "Tie"] says:

    In that video, was that fat guy, trying to act like he knows how to smoke a pipe, the guy who played the fat x-wing fighter “Porkins” in Star Wars?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    And what does that actor have on Lucas and Spielberg that he kept getting roles in huge movies?

    Replies: @MEH 0910, @Mr. Anon

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Anonymous


    In that video, was that fat guy, trying to act like he knows how to smoke a pipe, the guy who played the fat x-wing fighter “Porkins” in Star Wars?
     
    As was said in Honest Trailers: Star Wars: That's just mean!
  68. istevefan says:

    I believe turn to crime out of boredom and lack of opportunities in Russia.

    After the spectacle of the world’s greatest power chasing shadows over the past two years, and looking ridiculous in the process, I imagine we are going to get a lot more of these intrusions. Whether it’s orchestrated by a government, or just bored guys wanting some fun, the US has proven to be a target that will go into convulsions if provoked the right way.

  69. OT: Air Force Academy first sergeant denounced for “microaggression” by SJW colonel (“vice commandant for cadets for culture and climate”).

    https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2018/02/16/air-force-academy-first-sergeant-admonished-for-microaggression-email/

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @L Woods


    The first sergeant concluded his email by reminding [cadets] about former NBA superstar Michael Jordan’s habit of appearing at press conferences in a suit and tie, even without a dress code requiring it.

     

    Did he write to the cadets "Don't dress like an N."!?

    Nope.

    “He was never seen with a gaudy chain around his neck, his pants below his waistline, or with a backwards baseball hat on during public appearances,” Parish said.
     
    That's going too far.

    “These comments were very disrespectful, derogatory and unprofessional and in no way reflective of [cadet wing leadership] views,
     
    It's so over.

    Reminder: US recruits ‘entitled, undisciplined & not fit to throw grenades’ – Basic training chief
  70. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/16/russians-indicted-in-special-counsel-robert-muellers-probe.html

    Special counsel Mueller: Israelis Russians conducted ‘information warfare’ against US during election to help Donald Trump lose win

    Special counsel Robert Mueller said a grand jury had indicted 13 Israeli Russian nationals and three Israeli Russian entities for alleged interference in the 2016 presidential election.

    The defendants allegedly conducted “information warfare” against the United States election process to help Donald Trump lose win.

  71. @The Anti-Gnostic
    The wonders of scale. It amazes me what people come up with to eke out a living on the Internet. Poor sod could have just joined Amway.

    Seriously, this little goofball gets the All-Seeing Eye unleashed on him and has to hire a lawyer and now has a criminal record over this. He'll probably get death threats too. I guess that's scale as well.

    Replies: @Lugash, @International Jew

    I’m surprised the feds indicted him. He’s obviously got no one up the pyramid to flip on. I’m sure the feds were threatening decades in prison on him, but what if he said no? They’d have to reveal sources and methods.

    I’d don’t feel bad for him though. He’s part of a subclass of lazy grifters, while not energetically evil, lack any moral compass. He’s a lot like Casey Serin.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Lugash

    The character Silvio on the Sopranos refers to the annual tradition of the DA taking advantage of the Superbowl to grab some "popcorn headlines" by indicting book-makers.

    That's what this is. Popcorn headlines.

  72. Will Mueller also be announcing indictments of Hasbara Trolls?

    Confucius Institute directors?

    Illegal-alien journalists who work for the New York Times?

    Or the New York Times itself for spreading Carlos Slim’s propaganda?

    I am unimpressed with the special prosecutors’ vaunted reputation.

  73. @Anonym
    The walls are closing in, lol

    Replies: @CCZ

    Poor (Canadian or American) Tiny Duck, no one seems to agree with him (from his previous post):

    “BOOM goes the dynamite….We have SOLID PROOF of collusion with the Russians to help Trump steal the election.”

    So the FBI (Federal Bureau of Incompetence) identified a bunch of internet trolls and ignored a real threat that cost 17 young people their lives. Billions and billions of dollars for “homeland security” and electronic monitoring of almost everything and they can’t identify someone who multiple times publicly displayed his mass shooter mentality and intent and was known to be mentally troubled and have access to guns.

    F–k–g Bureau of Incompetence

  74. Anonymous [AKA "Embareassed Canuck"] says:

    Mueller just caught the equivalent of the hapless Benghazi provocateur Nakoula Basseley Nakoula.
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/12/blamed-for-benghazi-filmmaker-jailed-after-attack-now-lives-in-poverty-fear.html
    The US is slowly becoming the laughing stock of the world. The world’s greatest navy destroyers being defeated by stealth cargo ships. Russian trolls spending 0.001% of the cost of what Hillary spent, to win the election for Trump.
    As a Canadian, I would be laughing, but sadly we have moralistic feminist Justin Trudeau who is an even greater buffoon than Obama.
    Canada is a lost cause, but hopefully Trump can turn things around.

  75. Doesn’t Enrique Marquez look a bit like Al Franken doing his Stuart Smalley bit?

    • Replies: @Lugash
    @JimB

    Yep. And I find it amazing that neither he or his three immigration fraud co-conspirators have been sentenced yet, despite the attacks happening over two years ago.

  76. anon • Disclaimer says:

    This is just pathetic now. After all this, we’ve got a few Russians trolling on Twitter (which I never even realized was illegal, and is something thousands of Americans do every day, for free anyway) and bought a miniscule amount of advertizing on Facebook.

    Given the simplicity of this plan, don’t you imagine that something like this probably happens in every election? Nobody notices because they don’t usually turn the full resources of America’s intelligence agencies toward rooting it out.

    What kind of idiot would still take this seriously?

    Hold on a second…

    • Replies: @guest
    @anon

    You see the "what has been implicit is now explicit" formulation a lot these days. Often it's expressed as "subtext has become text."

    What it means, of course, is that it's not actually explicit. If it were, they wouldn't have to say so. They're just adding emphasis to their interpretation.

    It's no different than calling someone *literally* Hitler. No, you still mean it figuratively.

    , @e
    @anon

    It's the latest liberal response; they are singing it in unison, as always. Even Mahr is arguing Trump should be impeached for ignoring Russian involvement in elections.

    I knew they hated Americans outside their circle, knew they thought them stupid. I simply never imagined, however, that they thought us that stupid.

    , @El Dato
    @anon


    "Trump should have killed himself and left the arena to Hillary as soon as he realized that Russia literally exists."
     

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @anon


    a miniscule amount
     
    It's actually minuscule. From minus + culo, Spanish for "man with no ass".
  77. @Buzz Mohawk
    Gotta love the way our great investigative bureau wheels out its pathetic list of indictments right after it gets caught dropping the ball in Florida. "Oh yeah we completely ignored that school shooter, but look over here, we caught Russians posting stuff on Facebook!"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7CLzSQZJCU

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Seth Largo, @gunner29, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Gotta love the way our great investigative bureau wheels out its pathetic list of indictments right after it gets caught dropping the ball in Florida. “Oh yeah we completely ignored that school shooter, but look over here, we caught Russians posting stuff on Facebook!”

    And announce it on Friday! So it gets one day of traction until the weekend and by Monday, it’s old news. Clinton and other dems always did their dumps on Friday….

    I doubt many peeps are even aware the Russkie’s are still in Russia and will continue to do the wild and crazy postings on Fakebook! It’s not something that is mentioned in the MSM reports I seen. DU and Kos expects to see them being frog marched into the Federal Court!

    What a farce…..

    The US army just gave the Ukrainian army 2500 night vision gadgets, so they can run around at night making trouble. Pretty sure if the Russians handed out the same near the US, we’d go berzerk…

  78. OT, but iStevish:

    Guam: Wages Increase with Fewer H-2B Workers

    “Between December 2016 and December 2017, wages rose on the island of Guam by 4.5 percent for public sector workers and 2.53 percent for private sector workers, according to the Guam Department of Labor and local reporting.
    In the same time period, the number of H-2B workers on the island fell from 437 to just 35. This reflects the federal government practice of denying nearly all H-2B applications to the island after 2015.
    The result of a recent lawsuit, however, will prohibit the federal government from continuing its denial … .”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Whoever

    Trump's immigration law enforcement push is helping residents of American territories. For example, with fewer MesoAmerican illegal immigrants available, American firms are recruiting in Puerto Rico a lot more than during earlier times.

    Replies: @Jimi, @Karl

  79. I thought the SCOUTS has held that the 1st amendment applies to foreign nationals residing in the US. Here’s a typical news article:

    As immigration attorneys, we are careful to explain to our clients their rights and obligations under U.S. immigration law. We tell our non-citizen clients all the time that only U.S citizens are guaranteed entry into the U.S. However, we also stress that even non-citizens have rights under the Constitution. The Executive Order, whether on purpose or not, severely limits, in our opinion, Constitutional protections for non-citizens.

    Briefly, even non-citizens have the following guarantees under the U.S Constitution:

    Equal protection of the laws
    Political freedoms of speech and association,
    Due process requirements of fair procedure where their lives, liberty, or property are at stake.

    Unless the Constitution expressly sets apart its protections to U.S. citizens, it protects non-citizens too.

    So if some Russian corporation or person wants to express political opinions on Facebook or Twitter or somewhere, why can;t they? They can’t give money to a campaign but I’m not clear on the charge? Having a preference in the US election?

    • Replies: @anon
    @scrivener3

    They can’t give money to a campaign but I’m not clear on the charge?

    It has something to do with buying ads, which I believe is considered a "contribution" to the campaign.

    Nevertheless. The implication is that Trump "colluded" with these Russians to get them to do this.

    Which, of course, makes no sense whatsoever, since, if he wanted $100,000 worth of ads bought, he could have just bought them himself. Totally legally.

    Or at the very least, could have found some Americans to buy them legally.

    But what we're expected to believe is that he went off to Russia to find some guys to place $100,000 of ads (an amount which is a rounding error compared to the amount spent on campaign ads, of course).

    He illegally colluded in order to do something that he could have done totally legally, and more easily, himself.

    That's the story, according to them.

    It's like paying a guy a hundred bucks to go steal you a candy bar from the gas station down the street.

    , @PhysicistDave
    @scrivener3

    scrivener3 wrote:


    I thought the SCOUTS has held that the 1st amendment applies to foreign nationals residing in the US.
     
    Yes, no one seems to have remarked on the fact that if the Russians had just sneaked into the country illegally across the Mexican border, then their actions would have been protected speech under the First Amendment, even though (or should I say "because"?) they were illegal aliens.

    But, of course, the current outcome is actually better for the Russians: it serves Putin well for Mueller to continue stirring the pot with such silliness. After all, none of these Russian citizens will ever be "brought to justice" in the USA. It is all just a Marx brothers comedy.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    , @Alden
    @scrivener3

    Very astute of you.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @scrivener3


    I thought the SCOUTS has held that the 1st amendment applies to foreign nationals residing in the US.
     
    Did they get merit badges for that?

    http://www.ocscouts.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/meritBadges.jpg

    Replies: @El Dato

  80. Trump is starting to feel the walls closing in on all sides! In today’s editions of the Washington Post :
    MUELLER INDICTMENT ONLY SCRATCHES THE SURFACE OF A WIDESPREAD CONSPIRACY.

    If Mueller ever finds out that the RNC used Indian 711s to launder Mexican cartel drug money, Trump is toast!

  81. @Lot
    Cybercrime based mainly in the former USSR and secondary concentrations is North Korea greatly degrades US quality of life. This guy should pay dearly for selling hundreds of bank accounts using information from hacked Americans. Instead, he gets 18 months and the only reason he was caught at all was his small connection to Russia's election/disinformation hackers, who themselves are a petty operation.

    This is the sort of work that could be done by the FBI, who instead are busy keeping track of all the Jihadi sympathizers and supporters Bush and Obama admitted to the USA.

    Instead of feeding it problematic and unassimilable Muslims, Bush and Obama should have fed Big Capital's Labor Hunger with the many poor Eastern Europeans who would like to migrate to the west, and who quickly assimilate.

    Choosing Eastern European immigrants over Muslims is yet another Worthwhile Israeli Initiative the USA should adopt. The young Russian hackers bothering us now would make excellent legitimate IT workers here, and I believe turn to crime out of boredom and lack of opportunities in Russia.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @YetAnotherAnon, @Steve Sailer

    Cybercrime based mainly in the former USSR and secondary concentrations is North Korea greatly degrades US quality of life.

    Not to mention the spamming of comment sections with barely-readable viagra ads. I pay my taxes off of every paycheck, and yet this stuff goes on nonetheless. I had to come up with my own diabolical plan to stop it, involving one IF-statement. I am my own FBI/NSA now. You want something done right, you’ve got to do it yourself!

  82. @Jonathan Mason

    Santa Paula is an 80% Hispanic farm town that claims to be the “Citrus Capital of the World.
     
    Like Bob Mueller, they know how to make lemon-flavored Koolaid out of lemons.

    So the Russians spread a bit of mischievous propaganda on the Internet, but where is the proof that they were threatening voters at the polls, or rigging voting machines, or interfering with the count.

    The US really needs international observers to ensure fair elections.

    Next up: Obama indicted for trying to influence Brexit vote with threats of trade war with UK.

    Replies: @Anonymousse, @Harry Baldwin

    When the left orchestrates a year-long hysteria, it can’t wrap it up by admitting there was nothing there. It will find something that it can point to and say, “There! We told you there were shenanigans going on.” No admission that the shenanigans it uncovered justify about two percent of the hysteria it orchestrated.

    I noticed this phenomenon after the narrative collapse of the Michael Brown shooting. When it turned out that everything NPR had been telling us for a year or so was wrong, did it acknowledge its error? No, it pointed to the Justice Department’s report that there was indeed racism afoot in Ferguson–some cops had shared racial jokes in emails and blacks got a disproportionate share of traffic tickets. To uncover that damning evidence made all the attention on Ferguson well worth it!

    • Agree: Vinteuil
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Harry Baldwin

    I wonder if this is getting worse as the left is more and more of a cult -- in the past a centrist Democrat might admit to something to be reasonable, now extreme far left people never admit to anything -- and as a result it's more apparent to people. Weeks and months before Mueller's "let's do some good" moment, people were polling disbelief in the never-ending investigation, and their faith is unlikely to be restored by a not-Slavic guy who fenced identity under spreading orange trees.

  83. Good thing they found that guy cause it’s not like we have teachers attempting to build bombs.
    The Toro Twins in New York are a public school teacher and his brother who paid students to break apart fireworks to collect the explosive material. It’s being stressed that they are “not terrorists” (meaning white supremacists, which of course they’re not), although they had writings in their personal effects promising to obtain weapons and bring terror to “the small ones” (children? unmixed white people? midgets?). Toro sounds Spanish but their photos look like Angry Mulattoes. Does anyone know if they’re Boricua?
    (Snark: this guy is a graduate of an education college and presumably took some science classes, and his bomb was getting sifted up one m80 at a time.)
    http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2018/02/17/ny-teacher-twin-charged-paying-students-make-bombs/

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
    @J.Ross



    UNDER THE FULL MOON THE SMALL ONES WILL KNOW TERROR

     

    Hobbits?
    Elrond Reads Thorin's Map
  84. have the Russians been funding Steve Sailer via bit coins ?
    Did Steve unwittingly accept donations from Russian agents ? Will Mueller be extending his investigation to discover unwitting individuals who accepted funding from Russians during the 2016 election ? Will Unz be indicted for allowing anonymous individuals to post anti-Clinton propaganda on his web site ? Many of those posting could be foreign agents attempting to influence the 2018 federal elections.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Travis

    Worse, I might have retweeted a cute baby animal video from a Russian account.

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @Travis

    You're joking, but there was an attempt to make website owners/writers responsible for the comments left on their blogs/forums, etc.

  85. Mueller has German, English and Scottish ancestry. Mueller has no case whatsoever related to President Trump, but he has to throw out something from the cave to appease the evil partisan spirits.

    This Russia — Russia — Russia business brings very clearly into focus what White Core Americans must do: patriotically commandeer one or more of the current major propaganda outlets to save European Christendom and the United States. The concentrated propaganda power currently controlling much of political discourse in the United States is highly detrimental to the political and cultural interests of the European Christian ancestral core of the United States.

    Young people might find it interesting to involve themselves in a fight to prevent the continuation of all this anti-White propaganda emanating from the major corporate media. I think Comcast(NBC) or Viacom(CBS) seem like perfect plums to be picked by patriotic Americans who want to break up the corporate media monopoly in the United States.

    White Core Americans will understand the motivations of a political leader who proposes to patriotically remove the current owners of Comcast and Viacom from power. The anti-White invective and anti-Christian animosity coming from Comcast and Viacom must be made into a political issue.

    President Trump has correctly stated that the corporate media in the United States is the enemy of the American people. Comcast and Viacom have made themselves enemies of the American people. It is time to vanquish the anti-White and anti-Christian scum who control Comcast and Viacom.

  86. Wow, call in Spy Smasher to break up these nests of foreign agents and arch traitors. The Rosenbergs were electrocuted for far less. It’s good to know our intelligence agencies are keeping us safe (how many are there again?).

  87. Could Mueller be investigating that “insurance policy” over at the FBI? That might result in a much more interesting set of indictments.

    • Replies: @Yngvar
    @Anonymous

    The investigation is the “insurance policy”. If Trump move against malefactors in the bureau or try to reform the FBI (or other important agencies), Mueller will throw up his hands, disband his team and claim 'obstruction!'

    TPTB will keep it on a low boil as long as Trump is in the White House. It's a blocking move.

  88. @anony-mouse
    Julius Rosenberg ran a radio repair shop. Not sure what this idea that he's a nobody means.

    Replies: @anonymous, @J.Ross

    The Rosenbergs were shown to be in direct and frequent contact with actual Russian agents in a trial and later in released Soviet documents, and were with others like Fuchs vital to the Soviet atomic effort, which was a huge issue. This guy sold something online. When was the last time somebody sold something online and had any idea who they were selling it to?
    (How do you pay an ID thief? Probably with a “money card” or temporary “burner” account.)

  89. I don’t always agree with Jerome Armstrong by any means, but he has a good point when he notes that this guy here is the only one indicted who has any chance of seeing the inside of a courtroom. The others are out of the country and not going to show up. What that means is that very little of Mueller’s allegations are going to get tested in a court of law, with defense arguments and defense witnesses. He can pretty much say anything and not have to worry about countervailing legal arguments.

    • Replies: @Henry's Cat
    @eD

    Given that Mueller's allegations mount up to so little of perfidious substance, one can be reasonably reassured that his fides are essentially bona.

    , @Beckow
    @eD


    very little of Mueller’s allegations are going to get tested in a court of law, with defense arguments and defense witnesses. He can pretty much say anything and not have to worry about countervailing legal arguments
     
    That is the whole point. Accusing 'witches' in far away places is a safe way to stir up hysteria. Going to an actual court and charging a real person with writing 'disparaging remarks about Hillary Clinton', while using a fake name, would lead to a laugh-fest around the world. So they safely named culprits who are unlikely to show up in court.

    If Putin was the evil genius he is supposed to be, he would send one or two of them to Washington, pay for their lawyers, and watch the resulting circus. I suspect that DOJ did the remote, un-enforceable charges intentionally.

    If a 'foreigner' cannot express a viewpoint about US elections, or by precedent about any elections anywhere in the world - which is what this in effect is charging, all else are process distractions - then we have some big issues with free speech in the world. By this standard, almost any person could be charged anywhere with 'meddling'. Are people supposed to just shut up about anything that is not in their own country? This is bizarre. Socrates died for this.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @PhysicistDave, @Tom-in-VA, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    , @scrivener3
    @eD

    He can pretty much say anything and not have to worry about countervailing legal arguments.

    Yeah, like one of those secret FISA courts!

  90. @Lot
    Cybercrime based mainly in the former USSR and secondary concentrations is North Korea greatly degrades US quality of life. This guy should pay dearly for selling hundreds of bank accounts using information from hacked Americans. Instead, he gets 18 months and the only reason he was caught at all was his small connection to Russia's election/disinformation hackers, who themselves are a petty operation.

    This is the sort of work that could be done by the FBI, who instead are busy keeping track of all the Jihadi sympathizers and supporters Bush and Obama admitted to the USA.

    Instead of feeding it problematic and unassimilable Muslims, Bush and Obama should have fed Big Capital's Labor Hunger with the many poor Eastern Europeans who would like to migrate to the west, and who quickly assimilate.

    Choosing Eastern European immigrants over Muslims is yet another Worthwhile Israeli Initiative the USA should adopt. The young Russian hackers bothering us now would make excellent legitimate IT workers here, and I believe turn to crime out of boredom and lack of opportunities in Russia.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @YetAnotherAnon, @Steve Sailer

    I hadn’t noticed the US was short of people, but I had noticed that there were plenty of US tech people being squeezed out of jobs by cheap indentured Indian labour.

    “young Russian hackers bothering us now would make excellent legitimate IT workers here”

    What could possibly go wrong? Perhaps they should employ young Chinese hackers too.

    “cybercrime based mainly in the former USSR and secondary concentrations is North Korea greatly degrades US quality of life”

    Really? Perhaps there’s a /sarc tag missing. I can think of a lot of things degrading the US quality of life, like the fact that real male wages are below 1971 levels, but few or none are related to Russian hackers.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    @YetAnotherAnon

    What could possibly go wrong? Perhaps they should employ young Chinese hackers too.

    Yeah, through the miracle of Magic Dirt, all they have to do is cross a border and some time between when they step off the plane and walk out of the airport all tendencies to unethical behavior are transmuted into impulses of honesty and hard work.

    , @Anonymous
    @YetAnotherAnon

    like the fact that real male wages are below 1971 levels, but few or none are related to Russian hackers.

    Cite?

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  91. @eD
    I don't always agree with Jerome Armstrong by any means, but he has a good point when he notes that this guy here is the only one indicted who has any chance of seeing the inside of a courtroom. The others are out of the country and not going to show up. What that means is that very little of Mueller's allegations are going to get tested in a court of law, with defense arguments and defense witnesses. He can pretty much say anything and not have to worry about countervailing legal arguments.

    Replies: @Henry's Cat, @Beckow, @scrivener3

    Given that Mueller’s allegations mount up to so little of perfidious substance, one can be reasonably reassured that his fides are essentially bona.

  92. OT Was Charlottesville Crash Driver James Fields Escaping Credible Threats?
    http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/160869346
    A professor-activist who shows up at SJW events with an Armalite admits on video that he brandished at Fields and chased him into what proved to be the crash area. We already know that before the acceleration Fields’s car was getting struck by angry protesters with wooden sticks and boards. With a good lawyer Fields could walk.

    • Replies: @Tiny Duck
    @J.Ross

    Um wow.

    You actually believe that

    Just wow.....

  93. anon • Disclaimer says:

    So, is this investigation ever going to end, or will they keep it hanging over trump’s head for all eight years? I have to think that the only reason the RINOs haven’t nixed it is because they’re complicit with the “this will keep him in line” real agenda.

    **

    Also, doesn’t this show that the kryptonite of the liberal establishment is their self-righteous overreaction to common sense policies on immigration, interventionism and a healthy relationship with Russia? Question their PC-cult ideology and watch as they collapse into comic paroxysms of indignant spittle-flecked rage. They are their own worst enemy.

  94. @Travis
    have the Russians been funding Steve Sailer via bit coins ?
    Did Steve unwittingly accept donations from Russian agents ? Will Mueller be extending his investigation to discover unwitting individuals who accepted funding from Russians during the 2016 election ? Will Unz be indicted for allowing anonymous individuals to post anti-Clinton propaganda on his web site ? Many of those posting could be foreign agents attempting to influence the 2018 federal elections.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Chrisnonymous

    Worse, I might have retweeted a cute baby animal video from a Russian account.

  95. @eD
    I don't always agree with Jerome Armstrong by any means, but he has a good point when he notes that this guy here is the only one indicted who has any chance of seeing the inside of a courtroom. The others are out of the country and not going to show up. What that means is that very little of Mueller's allegations are going to get tested in a court of law, with defense arguments and defense witnesses. He can pretty much say anything and not have to worry about countervailing legal arguments.

    Replies: @Henry's Cat, @Beckow, @scrivener3

    very little of Mueller’s allegations are going to get tested in a court of law, with defense arguments and defense witnesses. He can pretty much say anything and not have to worry about countervailing legal arguments

    That is the whole point. Accusing ‘witches’ in far away places is a safe way to stir up hysteria. Going to an actual court and charging a real person with writing ‘disparaging remarks about Hillary Clinton’, while using a fake name, would lead to a laugh-fest around the world. So they safely named culprits who are unlikely to show up in court.

    If Putin was the evil genius he is supposed to be, he would send one or two of them to Washington, pay for their lawyers, and watch the resulting circus. I suspect that DOJ did the remote, un-enforceable charges intentionally.

    If a ‘foreigner‘ cannot express a viewpoint about US elections, or by precedent about any elections anywhere in the world – which is what this in effect is charging, all else are process distractions – then we have some big issues with free speech in the world. By this standard, almost any person could be charged anywhere with ‘meddling’. Are people supposed to just shut up about anything that is not in their own country? This is bizarre. Socrates died for this.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Beckow

    The current agenda is clearly the elimination of freedom of speech on the internet. This is done through dismissal and calumniation (you only think that because you have been misled by the gremlin from the Kremlin), by organizational rule changes (limited state, age restrictions, demonetization, account closing, shadow banning, and controlling what suggested-for-you links you can see), and possibly laws (save us, O government, from hate speech and cyberbullies). This is what the next fight is. Support bloggers and watch Dennis Prager's lawsuit against YouTube.

    Replies: @L Woods

    , @PhysicistDave
    @Beckow

    Beckow wrote:


    If Putin was the evil genius he is supposed to be, he would send one or two of them to Washington, pay for their lawyers, and watch the resulting circus. I suspect that DOJ did the remote, un-enforceable charges intentionally.
     
    So... how can we legally suggest this to Putin? I assume it is not possible (or legal -- e.g., the Logan Act) to just contact the Russian Embassy.

    Maybe hashtag #PutinTurnThemIn ??
    , @Tom-in-VA
    @Beckow

    So, by the same principle, could a certain ex-president of Mexico be indicted? Asking for a friend.

    https://youtu.be/t9Dk60H6zIs

    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Beckow


    Socrates died for this.
     
    Socrates, and the 220 or so that voted to acquit him, did not have the Second Amendment to ensure that they could defend themselves. And our betters are working hard to ensure that we don't have it either.
  96. @J.Ross
    OT Was Charlottesville Crash Driver James Fields Escaping Credible Threats?
    http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/160869346
    A professor-activist who shows up at SJW events with an Armalite admits on video that he brandished at Fields and chased him into what proved to be the crash area. We already know that before the acceleration Fields's car was getting struck by angry protesters with wooden sticks and boards. With a good lawyer Fields could walk.

    Replies: @Tiny Duck

    Um wow.

    You actually believe that

    Just wow…..

  97. @Whoever
    OT, but iStevish:

    Guam: Wages Increase with Fewer H-2B Workers

    "Between December 2016 and December 2017, wages rose on the island of Guam by 4.5 percent for public sector workers and 2.53 percent for private sector workers, according to the Guam Department of Labor and local reporting.
    In the same time period, the number of H-2B workers on the island fell from 437 to just 35. This reflects the federal government practice of denying nearly all H-2B applications to the island after 2015.
    The result of a recent lawsuit, however, will prohibit the federal government from continuing its denial ... ."
     

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Trump’s immigration law enforcement push is helping residents of American territories. For example, with fewer MesoAmerican illegal immigrants available, American firms are recruiting in Puerto Rico a lot more than during earlier times.

    • Replies: @Jimi
    @Steve Sailer

    Unacceptable. Puerto Ricans need to be desperate enough to relocate to Florida to swing the states to the Democrats.

    Then after gaining power, Democrats will pursue policies that will help Puerto Ricans have a better a life.

    , @Karl
    @Steve Sailer

    92 iSteve > Trump’s immigration law enforcement push is helping residents of American territories


    i'll take your word for it, that such is true in Puerto Rico.

    It doesn't help the Guam-nik'im, who are up against LEGAL job-competition from Compact-of-Free-Association islanders

    Those people have the same rights as American citizens, in EVERY sphere except voting and receiving a US Passport. (In particular, the American-Samoans receive USA-issued laiser-passez travel documents)

    In fact,the Samoans have been ruled to be "American Nationals"

  98. The obvious solution is a national voter ID with an e-verify option. Nobody should be allowed to use social media to comment on US elections without being verified.

  99. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Lot

    I hadn't noticed the US was short of people, but I had noticed that there were plenty of US tech people being squeezed out of jobs by cheap indentured Indian labour.

    "young Russian hackers bothering us now would make excellent legitimate IT workers here"

    What could possibly go wrong? Perhaps they should employ young Chinese hackers too.

    "cybercrime based mainly in the former USSR and secondary concentrations is North Korea greatly degrades US quality of life"

    Really? Perhaps there's a /sarc tag missing. I can think of a lot of things degrading the US quality of life, like the fact that real male wages are below 1971 levels, but few or none are related to Russian hackers.

    Replies: @Anonym, @Anonymous

    What could possibly go wrong? Perhaps they should employ young Chinese hackers too.

    Yeah, through the miracle of Magic Dirt, all they have to do is cross a border and some time between when they step off the plane and walk out of the airport all tendencies to unethical behavior are transmuted into impulses of honesty and hard work.

  100. @Anonymous
    In that video, was that fat guy, trying to act like he knows how to smoke a pipe, the guy who played the fat x-wing fighter "Porkins" in Star Wars?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Mr. Anon

    And what does that actor have on Lucas and Spielberg that he kept getting roles in huge movies?

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @Steve Sailer

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Hootkins


    William Michael "Hoot"[1] Hootkins (July 5, 1948 – October 23, 2005) was an American character actor, best known for supporting roles in Hollywood blockbusters such as Star Wars, Raiders of the Lost Ark, and Batman.
    ......
    Hootkins was born in Dallas, Texas. He attended St. Mark's School of Texas from grade 1 through 12. At age 15, Hootkins found himself caught up in the FBI's investigation into the assassination of President John F. Kennedy when he was interviewed about Ruth Paine, his Russian teacher. Marina Oswald, the Russian wife of the assassin Lee Harvey Oswald, and their children had been living with Paine in Dallas.
     
    , @Mr. Anon
    @Steve Sailer


    And what does that actor have on Lucas and Spielberg that he kept getting roles in huge movies?
     
    William Hootkins.

    I think it was just that he was an american actor who resided in the UK, so he was available to play Americans. Another actor who worked that gig was Richard LeParmentier (also in Star Wars). Star Wars and Raiders were mostly filmed in England (the indoor parts, that is), and there weren't that many british actors who could pull off a convincing american accent back in the 70s and 80s. Now there seem to be lots of them who have studied to do that very thing.

    James Maxwell was another American who found work in the UK, though mostly playing Englishmen. He was quite good as Henry VII in the old BBC miniseries:

    The Shadow of the Tower

    Well worth a viewing (and you can watch it for free on youtube).

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jenner Ickham Errican

  101. @The Anti-Gnostic
    The wonders of scale. It amazes me what people come up with to eke out a living on the Internet. Poor sod could have just joined Amway.

    Seriously, this little goofball gets the All-Seeing Eye unleashed on him and has to hire a lawyer and now has a criminal record over this. He'll probably get death threats too. I guess that's scale as well.

    Replies: @Lugash, @International Jew

    I’m trying to figure out just what kinds of services his little business was providing. IMO that’s the most interesting part of this story.

    I’ve long been puzzled about the spectacularly high ratings (often above 99%) of sellers on Ebay. How is that possible?? Even the most conscientious business attracts some chronic complainers, and they’ve got to be way more than 1%.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @International Jew

    I dunno, I've got 100% positive ratings as a seller on ebay and Amazon without having had to pay anyone off. They discourage you from posting negative ratings on ebay without trying to reconcile problems privately.

    Replies: @Sleep

  102. @Anonymousse
    @Jonathan Mason

    Russian nationals were trying to influence US policy and elections?

    Outrageous.

    DACA recipients and their parents should take to the streets again over this and not stop protesting or engaging in civil disobedience till Blumpfgh is removed from office

    Replies: @CCZ

    You mean Mexican, Guatemalan, El Salvadoran, Honduran, etc. CITIZEN (foreign national) DACA recipients and their parents?? Or are they considered American citizens by virtue of just being here??

  103. @Steve Sailer
    @Whoever

    Trump's immigration law enforcement push is helping residents of American territories. For example, with fewer MesoAmerican illegal immigrants available, American firms are recruiting in Puerto Rico a lot more than during earlier times.

    Replies: @Jimi, @Karl

    Unacceptable. Puerto Ricans need to be desperate enough to relocate to Florida to swing the states to the Democrats.

    Then after gaining power, Democrats will pursue policies that will help Puerto Ricans have a better a life.

  104. @Clifford Brown

    Pinedo also had a brief stint as a sales associate at LA Fitness, and his online resume said he attended Ventura College, earning a computer science associate’s degree in 2009.
     
    An intelligence scandal involving a former fitness gym sales associate...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kMyom2sHyA

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Thanks.

  105. @Reginald Maplethorp
    The conspiracy goes all the way...to the bottom rungs of LA Fitness.

    Does this remind anyone else of Burn After Reading?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Thanks.

  106. @Hapalong Cassidy
    I seem to recall that Samta Paula was the site of a disastrous dam collapse in the early 20th century. The man responsible was none other than William Mulholland.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Right, Santa Paula was the main town wiped out by the St. Francis Dam collapse in 1926. Santa Paula has a bronze statue of the two motorcycle cops who got a lot of people out in the nick of time by warning everybody to leave.

  107. @JimB
    Doesn't Enrique Marquez look a bit like Al Franken doing his Stuart Smalley bit?

    Replies: @Lugash

    Yep. And I find it amazing that neither he or his three immigration fraud co-conspirators have been sentenced yet, despite the attacks happening over two years ago.

  108. @Captain Tripps
    Wow. Outstanding. I'm sure I speak for all my taxpaying American citizen compatriots when I say it was TOTALLY WORTH the millions of dollars for this Independent Counsel investigation that bagged all 12 of these perfidious Russians who spent, what, $100,000(?) to swing those millions of voters from Hillary to The Donald. Way to go Mr. Meuller! You rock! Take that Drumpf! (Sarc off).

    How many nefarious Russian/Soviet soldiers have conducted operations against us over the years here on our soil again? Oh yeah, NONE. But the great Democrat hero Woodrow Wilson sent 16,000 American troops in to Russia in 1918 to interfere with their internal Civil War (something the Europeans NEVER did to us during ours). Russians have LONG memories. Tell me again why I'm supposed to be outraged that the Russians may use some low-level clandestine ops to manipulate us while they laugh?

    Replies: @Jeffrey S.

    If ever there was a time and place to interfere with someone’s Civil War, Russia’s was that time and place. I just wish we had interfered effectively to help the White Russians and stop the October Revolution in its crib — we could have saved the world a lot of suffering to have strangled the communist revolution in its infancy.

    • Agree: Alden
  109. @jill
    Read count 12, item b at bottom of page 7 of the Mueller indictment. Is this a joke? What am I reading? This rises to the level of a crime?

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1035562/download

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @PhysicistDave

    No. I think b refers to the second half of sentence a above. Nevertheless, it adds to the sense that they are grasping at straws to justify their investigation.

  110. This is pretty hilarious: some poor, dumb bastard, who didn’t know he was he dealing with Russian agents, helped pull off the greatest political upset in American history.

  111. @Henry's Cat
    So what is the crime here? Pretending to be American? I thought wanting to be American was the highest aspiration of humankind.

    Replies: @tyrone, @anonymouslee, @Seamus Padraig, @Buffalo Joe, @guest

    Le Resistance and NeverTrumpers alike have been in many cases reduced to splitting hairs about the difference between non-Russian illegals and Russian foreign influencers. It’s consistently hilarious.

    At least NeverTrumpers can fall back on the Cold War and FX’s dramatic series the Americans. Plus a smidgen of suspicion of the majority of illegals.

    • Replies: @Henry's Cat
    @guest

    Moscow ought to declare that it's a sanctuary city. It could then twin itself with Tel Aviv.

  112. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @scrivener3
    I thought the SCOUTS has held that the 1st amendment applies to foreign nationals residing in the US. Here's a typical news article:

    As immigration attorneys, we are careful to explain to our clients their rights and obligations under U.S. immigration law. We tell our non-citizen clients all the time that only U.S citizens are guaranteed entry into the U.S. However, we also stress that even non-citizens have rights under the Constitution. The Executive Order, whether on purpose or not, severely limits, in our opinion, Constitutional protections for non-citizens.

    Briefly, even non-citizens have the following guarantees under the U.S Constitution:

    Equal protection of the laws
    Political freedoms of speech and association,
    Due process requirements of fair procedure where their lives, liberty, or property are at stake.

    Unless the Constitution expressly sets apart its protections to U.S. citizens, it protects non-citizens too.
     
    So if some Russian corporation or person wants to express political opinions on Facebook or Twitter or somewhere, why can;t they? They can't give money to a campaign but I'm not clear on the charge? Having a preference in the US election?

    Replies: @anon, @PhysicistDave, @Alden, @Reg Cæsar

    They can’t give money to a campaign but I’m not clear on the charge?

    It has something to do with buying ads, which I believe is considered a “contribution” to the campaign.

    Nevertheless. The implication is that Trump “colluded” with these Russians to get them to do this.

    Which, of course, makes no sense whatsoever, since, if he wanted $100,000 worth of ads bought, he could have just bought them himself. Totally legally.

    Or at the very least, could have found some Americans to buy them legally.

    But what we’re expected to believe is that he went off to Russia to find some guys to place $100,000 of ads (an amount which is a rounding error compared to the amount spent on campaign ads, of course).

    He illegally colluded in order to do something that he could have done totally legally, and more easily, himself.

    That’s the story, according to them.

    It’s like paying a guy a hundred bucks to go steal you a candy bar from the gas station down the street.

  113. @Tiny Duck
    I think it's time for war with russia

    They stole our election and denied Mrs. Clinton her time

    This will e the downfall of trump


    You just wait

    This is only the beginning

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Stan Adams

    Tiny Duck wrote:

    I think it’s time for war with russia

    They stole our election and denied Mrs. Clinton her time

    And people think you lack a sense of humor!

    We love ya, Tiny!

    • Replies: @CCZ
    @PhysicistDave

    Once again just a second hand opinion.

    Friday on MSNBC’s “All In,” Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-NY) said Russian interference with U.S. elections and political processes that resulted in 13 indictments against Russian nationals was “equivalent” to the attack on Pearl Harbor by Japanese in 1941.

    Partial transcript as follows:


    NADLER: My reaction to the news is this is absolute proof of what we knew all along and what the president has denied, namely that we were attacked. This is a very serious attack against the United States by a hostile foreign power, an attack against our election process, our entire governing process. We know that the attack is continuing. And that our intelligence agencies tell us that it’s going to certainly continue through the next election. And the president and the Republicans in the House for that matter refuse, refuse to do anything about protecting us from an attack. Imagine if FDR had denied that the Japanese attacked us at Pearl Harbor and didn’t react. That’s the equivalent.

    HAYES: It’s a bit of a different thing.

    NADLER: No it’s not.

    HAYES: They didn’t kill anyone.

    NADLER: They didn’t kill anyone but they’re destroying our democratic process.

    HAYES: Do you really think it’s on par?

    NADLER: Not in the amount of violence, but in the seriousness, it is very much on par. This country exists to have a democratic system with a small d. That’s what the country’s all about. This is an attempt to destroy that.

     

    Replies: @Jack D

  114. @Coag
    The Obama admin wanted to conduct a CREEP-style wiretap break-in on the Trump campaign so the deep state manufactured fake pretenses like the golden shower dossier and others. To further cover themselves from going to prison once the illegalities were revealed, the deep staters now manufactured these indictment trivialities so at least they have something entered on black-letter record that can retroactively justify their break in. The Republic is dead but it all does make for a nice little airport bookstore thriller.

    Replies: @guest

    CREEPers may have been Deep Staters, but they were firmly on the political side. Watergate would’ve been the same if Nixon had employed private investigators.

    The Obama administration, on the other hand, sought to pervert the Justice Department into the Just-Us Department, roping the courts into it in the process. Much worse.

  115. @Jack Hanson
    The Left seems to think this is a kill shot while also cognizant of the fact you don't release your kill shot at 4pm on the Friday before a holiday weekend.

    Replies: @guest, @El Dato

    They don’t think that.

    They say it, but that’s because they’re liars.

  116. @Travis
    have the Russians been funding Steve Sailer via bit coins ?
    Did Steve unwittingly accept donations from Russian agents ? Will Mueller be extending his investigation to discover unwitting individuals who accepted funding from Russians during the 2016 election ? Will Unz be indicted for allowing anonymous individuals to post anti-Clinton propaganda on his web site ? Many of those posting could be foreign agents attempting to influence the 2018 federal elections.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Chrisnonymous

    You’re joking, but there was an attempt to make website owners/writers responsible for the comments left on their blogs/forums, etc.

  117. @Beckow
    @eD


    very little of Mueller’s allegations are going to get tested in a court of law, with defense arguments and defense witnesses. He can pretty much say anything and not have to worry about countervailing legal arguments
     
    That is the whole point. Accusing 'witches' in far away places is a safe way to stir up hysteria. Going to an actual court and charging a real person with writing 'disparaging remarks about Hillary Clinton', while using a fake name, would lead to a laugh-fest around the world. So they safely named culprits who are unlikely to show up in court.

    If Putin was the evil genius he is supposed to be, he would send one or two of them to Washington, pay for their lawyers, and watch the resulting circus. I suspect that DOJ did the remote, un-enforceable charges intentionally.

    If a 'foreigner' cannot express a viewpoint about US elections, or by precedent about any elections anywhere in the world - which is what this in effect is charging, all else are process distractions - then we have some big issues with free speech in the world. By this standard, almost any person could be charged anywhere with 'meddling'. Are people supposed to just shut up about anything that is not in their own country? This is bizarre. Socrates died for this.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @PhysicistDave, @Tom-in-VA, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    The current agenda is clearly the elimination of freedom of speech on the internet. This is done through dismissal and calumniation (you only think that because you have been misled by the gremlin from the Kremlin), by organizational rule changes (limited state, age restrictions, demonetization, account closing, shadow banning, and controlling what suggested-for-you links you can see), and possibly laws (save us, O government, from hate speech and cyberbullies). This is what the next fight is. Support bloggers and watch Dennis Prager’s lawsuit against YouTube.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    @J.Ross

    They may well come to regret eliminating one of society's greatest remaining pressure valves.

  118. @Jake
    The American Left and its Neocon twin are both simultaneously evil and absurdly comic.

    Replies: @guest

    Yes, Li’l Billy Kristol is entertaining on Twitter.

    I’d say he’s blowing through his credibility, but he doesn’t have any.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @guest

    What I'm worried about is, one day, he will stop smiling.
    Like, because of an asteroid, or something.

  119. @Anon7
    @Tim Howells

    "... the ability to induce total enraged, deranged insanity in his enemies, causing them to destroy themselves..."

    There is nothing insane about the Russia investigation. In fact, it has worked perfectly, beyond the wildest dreams of Democrat strategists. It has hamstrung the Trump administration almost completely for more than a year, by preventing Republicans from associating themselves with him. Republican senators and congressmen are cowards, of course, and card-carrying members of the Swamp; they'll applaud during the State of the Union, but they won't go against the media, which is the propaganda arm of the Democrat party. Half of American voters believe that President Trump committed a crime relating to colluding with Russians.

    If you think that this is it for the Russia investigation, we'll see. I'll bet it's a huge factor in the 2020 presidential election, should Mr. Trump choose to run again.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @guest, @Coemgen, @Tim Howells

    Anon7 wrote:

    There is nothing insane about the Russia investigation. In fact, it has worked perfectly, beyond the wildest dreams of Democrat strategists. It has hamstrung the Trump administration almost completely for more than a year, by preventing Republicans from associating themselves with him.

    Well… Trump got Gorsuch on the High Court. He got his (in my opinion, not very good) tax bill through. He got rid of the individual mandate in Obamacare.

    Seems to me that Trump is getting done what he wants to get done while his enemies waste their time over this incredible Russian silliness. (What? Russians posted their opinions on Facebook?? And they did not admit they were Russians??? Don’t they know that everyone has to give full information about himself publicly in any online posting??)

    And, in the RCP averages, support for Trump and the GOP is slowly moving up.

    In pure pragmatic political terms, the longer Trump lets Mueller make a fool of himself, the better Trump seems to do.

    (Note: I have never been a Trump partisan myself. In my opinion, the best that can be said for Trump is simply that he is not Hillary, Jeb!, Marco, etc.)

  120. @Harry Baldwin
    @Jonathan Mason

    When the left orchestrates a year-long hysteria, it can't wrap it up by admitting there was nothing there. It will find something that it can point to and say, "There! We told you there were shenanigans going on." No admission that the shenanigans it uncovered justify about two percent of the hysteria it orchestrated.

    I noticed this phenomenon after the narrative collapse of the Michael Brown shooting. When it turned out that everything NPR had been telling us for a year or so was wrong, did it acknowledge its error? No, it pointed to the Justice Department's report that there was indeed racism afoot in Ferguson--some cops had shared racial jokes in emails and blacks got a disproportionate share of traffic tickets. To uncover that damning evidence made all the attention on Ferguson well worth it!

    Replies: @J.Ross

    I wonder if this is getting worse as the left is more and more of a cult — in the past a centrist Democrat might admit to something to be reasonable, now extreme far left people never admit to anything — and as a result it’s more apparent to people. Weeks and months before Mueller’s “let’s do some good” moment, people were polling disbelief in the never-ending investigation, and their faith is unlikely to be restored by a not-Slavic guy who fenced identity under spreading orange trees.

  121. @guest
    @Jake

    Yes, Li'l Billy Kristol is entertaining on Twitter.

    I'd say he's blowing through his credibility, but he doesn't have any.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    What I’m worried about is, one day, he will stop smiling.
    Like, because of an asteroid, or something.

  122. @Anon7
    @Tim Howells

    "... the ability to induce total enraged, deranged insanity in his enemies, causing them to destroy themselves..."

    There is nothing insane about the Russia investigation. In fact, it has worked perfectly, beyond the wildest dreams of Democrat strategists. It has hamstrung the Trump administration almost completely for more than a year, by preventing Republicans from associating themselves with him. Republican senators and congressmen are cowards, of course, and card-carrying members of the Swamp; they'll applaud during the State of the Union, but they won't go against the media, which is the propaganda arm of the Democrat party. Half of American voters believe that President Trump committed a crime relating to colluding with Russians.

    If you think that this is it for the Russia investigation, we'll see. I'll bet it's a huge factor in the 2020 presidential election, should Mr. Trump choose to run again.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @guest, @Coemgen, @Tim Howells

    They have slowed Trump down, not hamstrung him. He’s been more successful thus far on getting what he wants done than any Republican president in my memory.

    His opponents have succeeded in keeping an air of crisis surrounding his administration. But that’s because they have a near-monopoly on the courts, the mainstream press, the Permanent Government, and the Deep State. The courts didn’t need Russia-gate to stand in his way, and the Permanent Government could’ve stonewalled without it.

    Weigh the advantage they’ve gotten out of pretending a president executing his own authority is obstruction of justice against all the credibility they’ve burned through.

    They may be ahead right now, but the Spy versus Spy stuff has only begun. The Obama administration has its own Watergate in the early stages, whereas the never-ending crisis of Trump scandals (or “scandals”) hasn’t yet amounted to much.

    They can carry it out through 2020, but it will be running on fumes. Think instead what might have happened had they treated Trump like a regular Evil Republican president. They could have done much better, I think.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    @guest

    I think a bigger factor in slowing Trump down is the fact that he has such little support from the Republican congresscreatures. Almost all of them wanted someone like Jeb to get the nomination then gracefully lose. The Trump populist proposals that won him the Prsidency such as immigration restriction, and trade protection to help American workers go against the Chamber of Commerce whores in both parties. With Republican majorities he should have been able to get this done but he just doesn’t have the votes for his agenda.

    , @MarkinLA
    @guest

    It isn't Trump in 2020 so much as it is Congress in 2018. We already see a lot of establishment Republicans not running in 2018 just when the Republicans have a chance to up their Senate majority. The donors are likely buying them off with promises of well paying do-nothing jobs in the private sector and the thought of being forced to do what their constituents want makes them want to vomit.

    Trey Gowdy seems to be the example.

    Don't underestimate the stupidity of the American voter. My Dad believes every word of this nonsense.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  123. @J.Ross
    @Beckow

    The current agenda is clearly the elimination of freedom of speech on the internet. This is done through dismissal and calumniation (you only think that because you have been misled by the gremlin from the Kremlin), by organizational rule changes (limited state, age restrictions, demonetization, account closing, shadow banning, and controlling what suggested-for-you links you can see), and possibly laws (save us, O government, from hate speech and cyberbullies). This is what the next fight is. Support bloggers and watch Dennis Prager's lawsuit against YouTube.

    Replies: @L Woods

    They may well come to regret eliminating one of society’s greatest remaining pressure valves.

  124. @Lugash
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    I'm surprised the feds indicted him. He's obviously got no one up the pyramid to flip on. I'm sure the feds were threatening decades in prison on him, but what if he said no? They'd have to reveal sources and methods.

    I'd don't feel bad for him though. He's part of a subclass of lazy grifters, while not energetically evil, lack any moral compass. He's a lot like Casey Serin.

    Replies: @guest

    The character Silvio on the Sopranos refers to the annual tradition of the DA taking advantage of the Superbowl to grab some “popcorn headlines” by indicting book-makers.

    That’s what this is. Popcorn headlines.

  125. @Jim Given
    "Well thank God! At least they indicted SOMEONE!"

    Replies: @TheJester

    “Well thank God! At least they indicted SOMEONE!”

    But SOMEONE was a NOBODY. Does that mean anything?

  126. @anon
    This is just pathetic now. After all this, we've got a few Russians trolling on Twitter (which I never even realized was illegal, and is something thousands of Americans do every day, for free anyway) and bought a miniscule amount of advertizing on Facebook.

    Given the simplicity of this plan, don't you imagine that something like this probably happens in every election? Nobody notices because they don't usually turn the full resources of America's intelligence agencies toward rooting it out.

    What kind of idiot would still take this seriously?

    Hold on a second...

    https://twitter.com/JRubinBlogger/status/964611208778272768

    Replies: @guest, @e, @El Dato, @Reg Cæsar

    You see the “what has been implicit is now explicit” formulation a lot these days. Often it’s expressed as “subtext has become text.”

    What it means, of course, is that it’s not actually explicit. If it were, they wouldn’t have to say so. They’re just adding emphasis to their interpretation.

    It’s no different than calling someone *literally* Hitler. No, you still mean it figuratively.

  127. @PhysicistDave
    @Tiny Duck

    Tiny Duck wrote:


    I think it’s time for war with russia

    They stole our election and denied Mrs. Clinton her time
     
    And people think you lack a sense of humor!


    We love ya, Tiny!

    Replies: @CCZ

    Once again just a second hand opinion.

    Friday on MSNBC’s “All In,” Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-NY) said Russian interference with U.S. elections and political processes that resulted in 13 indictments against Russian nationals was “equivalent” to the attack on Pearl Harbor by Japanese in 1941.

    Partial transcript as follows:

    NADLER: My reaction to the news is this is absolute proof of what we knew all along and what the president has denied, namely that we were attacked. This is a very serious attack against the United States by a hostile foreign power, an attack against our election process, our entire governing process. We know that the attack is continuing. And that our intelligence agencies tell us that it’s going to certainly continue through the next election. And the president and the Republicans in the House for that matter refuse, refuse to do anything about protecting us from an attack. Imagine if FDR had denied that the Japanese attacked us at Pearl Harbor and didn’t react. That’s the equivalent.

    HAYES: It’s a bit of a different thing.

    NADLER: No it’s not.

    HAYES: They didn’t kill anyone.

    NADLER: They didn’t kill anyone but they’re destroying our democratic process.

    HAYES: Do you really think it’s on par?

    NADLER: Not in the amount of violence, but in the seriousness, it is very much on par. This country exists to have a democratic system with a small d. That’s what the country’s all about. This is an attempt to destroy that.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @CCZ

    Nadler represents the Upper West Side of Manhattan - perhaps the most leftist district in the US this side of San Francisco. Look at his web page:

    https://nadler.house.gov/

    He is at the extreme left wing of the D party, as far left as you can be and still be in the party (any further and he would have to call himself a socialist, like Sanders) , the left wing equivalent of Roy Moore. If you can think of the most conventional party line leftist position on any issue (and then notch it a little bit more left), that would be his position. I assume he gets 100% or something very close to it on the scorecards from left-liberal organizations. He is literally a big fat idiot and one would have no reason to expect him to spout other than idiotic things.

    Of course the difference is that the Democrat party will never distance itself from Nadler the way the cuckservatives ran from Moore (and from Trump). They are, as the Chinese say, as close as lips and teeth.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  128. @scrivener3
    I thought the SCOUTS has held that the 1st amendment applies to foreign nationals residing in the US. Here's a typical news article:

    As immigration attorneys, we are careful to explain to our clients their rights and obligations under U.S. immigration law. We tell our non-citizen clients all the time that only U.S citizens are guaranteed entry into the U.S. However, we also stress that even non-citizens have rights under the Constitution. The Executive Order, whether on purpose or not, severely limits, in our opinion, Constitutional protections for non-citizens.

    Briefly, even non-citizens have the following guarantees under the U.S Constitution:

    Equal protection of the laws
    Political freedoms of speech and association,
    Due process requirements of fair procedure where their lives, liberty, or property are at stake.

    Unless the Constitution expressly sets apart its protections to U.S. citizens, it protects non-citizens too.
     
    So if some Russian corporation or person wants to express political opinions on Facebook or Twitter or somewhere, why can;t they? They can't give money to a campaign but I'm not clear on the charge? Having a preference in the US election?

    Replies: @anon, @PhysicistDave, @Alden, @Reg Cæsar

    scrivener3 wrote:

    I thought the SCOUTS has held that the 1st amendment applies to foreign nationals residing in the US.

    Yes, no one seems to have remarked on the fact that if the Russians had just sneaked into the country illegally across the Mexican border, then their actions would have been protected speech under the First Amendment, even though (or should I say “because”?) they were illegal aliens.

    But, of course, the current outcome is actually better for the Russians: it serves Putin well for Mueller to continue stirring the pot with such silliness. After all, none of these Russian citizens will ever be “brought to justice” in the USA. It is all just a Marx brothers comedy.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @PhysicistDave

    Yes. The original article about Russia--a TIME magazine piece in an issue with Putin on a red background on the cover--was not about influencing elections but about how Russia tries to undermine confidence in democracy in Europe and the US. This original reporting seems consistent with what Mueller actually uncovered.

    But the real scandal is that, if Putin was trying to undermine US confidence in democracy, it was Mueller's investigation and Democrat/MSM accusations that were the vessels, not Trump.

  129. @Jack Hanson
    The Left seems to think this is a kill shot while also cognizant of the fact you don't release your kill shot at 4pm on the Friday before a holiday weekend.

    Replies: @guest, @El Dato

    Yuropean Media seems convinced this all spells Deep Trouble for Trump.

    It’s like when you feel you are really living the logic of a post-2000 George Lucas movie.

    • Replies: @e
    @El Dato

    They know it's a nothingburger, but they've learned that as long as the Big Three all stick together and treat the news as if it's a victory, there will be die hard voters who take them seriously and donate to congressional candidates this coming election.

  130. Two THOUSAND American $ dollars !

    To think that this one Hispanic e commerce guy in California could turn the American Presidential election and deliver once free Americans in to a Russian conquest!

    Anna Kournikova is rumored to be a KGB colonel!

    Trump and Trump supporters a in bed with the Russians !

    (Oh to be in bed with Anna Kournikova Russian’s)

  131. Question:

    Does the Playboy Playmate story coming out at the same time as the Mueller investigation goes kaput mean that there is a change in tactics going on? Are we going to hear one sexual scandal after another for the next 10 months?

    • Replies: @Lugash
    @Chrisnonymous

    Yes, until they realize its not having the desired effect. Since the main strategy of having Mueller remove Trump appears to be a flop, they're speeding up the alternate one of isolating him from his close associates. Why do you think Kelly went from 'responsible adult in the room' to 'domestic abuse enabler' overnight? This new shit is aimed at Trump's relationship with Melania.

    Replies: @Clyde

    , @Corn
    @Chrisnonymous

    The party of Bill Clinton wants to use adultery as a weapon against someone.

    *Shaking my head*

    , @guest
    @Chrisnonymous

    No, the playmate thing is an extension of the pornstar thing that was getting play a bit ago. Though the people pushing it could have known ahead of time Mueller is going to crap out, this is part of a long-term strategy.

    Goes back to Pussy-gate, really. The Trump as womanizer/adulterer thing is all wrapped up in the Trump assaults/harasses women thing. Though recent iterations appear to be tilted more towards upsetting Moral Majoritatians, it's really all one big "Trump has a woman problem" story.

    You are to believe that not only did Trump have sex with these women, he probably unduly pressured them into it, too.

    Dems will stick with the Machado Strategy, guaranteed. They blame white women especially for Trump's victory (when they're not pretending it was Russia), and that wrong will be righted by doubling down.

  132. @Beckow
    @eD


    very little of Mueller’s allegations are going to get tested in a court of law, with defense arguments and defense witnesses. He can pretty much say anything and not have to worry about countervailing legal arguments
     
    That is the whole point. Accusing 'witches' in far away places is a safe way to stir up hysteria. Going to an actual court and charging a real person with writing 'disparaging remarks about Hillary Clinton', while using a fake name, would lead to a laugh-fest around the world. So they safely named culprits who are unlikely to show up in court.

    If Putin was the evil genius he is supposed to be, he would send one or two of them to Washington, pay for their lawyers, and watch the resulting circus. I suspect that DOJ did the remote, un-enforceable charges intentionally.

    If a 'foreigner' cannot express a viewpoint about US elections, or by precedent about any elections anywhere in the world - which is what this in effect is charging, all else are process distractions - then we have some big issues with free speech in the world. By this standard, almost any person could be charged anywhere with 'meddling'. Are people supposed to just shut up about anything that is not in their own country? This is bizarre. Socrates died for this.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @PhysicistDave, @Tom-in-VA, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Beckow wrote:

    If Putin was the evil genius he is supposed to be, he would send one or two of them to Washington, pay for their lawyers, and watch the resulting circus. I suspect that DOJ did the remote, un-enforceable charges intentionally.

    So… how can we legally suggest this to Putin? I assume it is not possible (or legal — e.g., the Logan Act) to just contact the Russian Embassy.

    Maybe hashtag #PutinTurnThemIn ??

  133. @PhysicistDave
    @scrivener3

    scrivener3 wrote:


    I thought the SCOUTS has held that the 1st amendment applies to foreign nationals residing in the US.
     
    Yes, no one seems to have remarked on the fact that if the Russians had just sneaked into the country illegally across the Mexican border, then their actions would have been protected speech under the First Amendment, even though (or should I say "because"?) they were illegal aliens.

    But, of course, the current outcome is actually better for the Russians: it serves Putin well for Mueller to continue stirring the pot with such silliness. After all, none of these Russian citizens will ever be "brought to justice" in the USA. It is all just a Marx brothers comedy.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    Yes. The original article about Russia–a TIME magazine piece in an issue with Putin on a red background on the cover–was not about influencing elections but about how Russia tries to undermine confidence in democracy in Europe and the US. This original reporting seems consistent with what Mueller actually uncovered.

    But the real scandal is that, if Putin was trying to undermine US confidence in democracy, it was Mueller’s investigation and Democrat/MSM accusations that were the vessels, not Trump.

    • Agree: Coemgen
  134. @Anonymous
    It's noteworthy that foreigners can be indicted for trolling on social networks (Russians) but not for financing propaganda efforts to the tune of tens of million dollars (Soros.)

    Replies: @Hibernian

    Soros became an American citizen; I’m not sure when. I read what he said about it in an interview, and his attitude was that he was doing us all a big favor.

  135. @Jack Hanson
    The FBI spent more time investigating Kurt Eichenwald's supposed seizure by gif than concise reports of Nikolas Cruz.

    Let that sink in.

    Replies: @Vinteuil, @Art Deco

    The FBI today pretty much defines the expression “anarcho-tyranny.”

    • Agree: Jack Hanson
  136. @Art Deco
    Mrs. Sailer has a deadly eye for the guffaw-inducing mugshot.

    Replies: @Vinteuil

    Do you have some reason to believe that it was Mrs. Sailer, not Mr. Sailer, who spotted that pic?

  137. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    And what does that actor have on Lucas and Spielberg that he kept getting roles in huge movies?

    Replies: @MEH 0910, @Mr. Anon

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Hootkins

    William Michael “Hoot”[1] Hootkins (July 5, 1948 – October 23, 2005) was an American character actor, best known for supporting roles in Hollywood blockbusters such as Star Wars, Raiders of the Lost Ark, and Batman.
    ……
    Hootkins was born in Dallas, Texas. He attended St. Mark’s School of Texas from grade 1 through 12. At age 15, Hootkins found himself caught up in the FBI’s investigation into the assassination of President John F. Kennedy when he was interviewed about Ruth Paine, his Russian teacher. Marina Oswald, the Russian wife of the assassin Lee Harvey Oswald, and their children had been living with Paine in Dallas.

  138. @Anon7
    @Tim Howells

    "... the ability to induce total enraged, deranged insanity in his enemies, causing them to destroy themselves..."

    There is nothing insane about the Russia investigation. In fact, it has worked perfectly, beyond the wildest dreams of Democrat strategists. It has hamstrung the Trump administration almost completely for more than a year, by preventing Republicans from associating themselves with him. Republican senators and congressmen are cowards, of course, and card-carrying members of the Swamp; they'll applaud during the State of the Union, but they won't go against the media, which is the propaganda arm of the Democrat party. Half of American voters believe that President Trump committed a crime relating to colluding with Russians.

    If you think that this is it for the Russia investigation, we'll see. I'll bet it's a huge factor in the 2020 presidential election, should Mr. Trump choose to run again.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @guest, @Coemgen, @Tim Howells

    “Half of American voters” are average intelligence or less.

    Also, I suspect there is considerable overlap between voters who believe Trump colluded with Russians in 2016 and voters who believe the Benghazi 9/11 was due to a video–not that these voters are necessarily, on average, of lower intelligence.

    Association with a political party (for example) is akin to what I’ll call a compartmentalized psychosis. Intelligent and rational people quickly become irrational idiots when their political party (again, for example) is the subject of discussion. There’s surely a way to make use of this observation but, if I was sharp enough to do so, I’d be rich…with my own private island…and a harem…

  139. @Ricky Vaughn
    HA HA DRUMPF IS FINISHED

    Replies: @grapesoda

    Drumpf = Rasputin

  140. @anon
    This is just pathetic now. After all this, we've got a few Russians trolling on Twitter (which I never even realized was illegal, and is something thousands of Americans do every day, for free anyway) and bought a miniscule amount of advertizing on Facebook.

    Given the simplicity of this plan, don't you imagine that something like this probably happens in every election? Nobody notices because they don't usually turn the full resources of America's intelligence agencies toward rooting it out.

    What kind of idiot would still take this seriously?

    Hold on a second...

    https://twitter.com/JRubinBlogger/status/964611208778272768

    Replies: @guest, @e, @El Dato, @Reg Cæsar

    It’s the latest liberal response; they are singing it in unison, as always. Even Mahr is arguing Trump should be impeached for ignoring Russian involvement in elections.

    I knew they hated Americans outside their circle, knew they thought them stupid. I simply never imagined, however, that they thought us that stupid.

  141. @Henry's Cat
    @Buffalo Joe

    I'm not Henry. He just feeds and shelters me.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Reg Cæsar

    Henry’s Cat, sorry I should have figured that out little buddy. Hope he feeds you well.

  142. Mueller indicted foreigners for trying to influence the American public because those citizens did not register as a foreign agents nor record their financial expenditures to the Federal Elections Commission. By that theory, when will Mueller indict Christopher Steele and Fusion GPS ?

    Christopher Steele is a criminal: he is a foreign citizen and was paid to create a dossier and use the media to influence an election, he neither registered as a foreign agent nor listed his expenditures to the Federal Election Commission. Steele lied to the FBI, while the dossier he disseminated used Kremlin agents as sources…thus Steele admits to using Russian agents, Russian government officials and Putin associates to create the dossier.

    Mueller has already charged Flynn for lying to the FBI and charged Manafort for not registering as a foreign agent…when will Mueller charge Steele for committing similar crimes against the United States ? Fusion GPS was also being paid by the Russians to lobby congress while they paid Steele to create the Russian Dossier with Russian sources. Fusion GPS never registered as a foreign agent and they lied to congress and the FBI while being paid by the Clinton Campaign (which illegally hid the nature of the payments from the Federal Election Commission)

  143. @Beckow
    @eD


    very little of Mueller’s allegations are going to get tested in a court of law, with defense arguments and defense witnesses. He can pretty much say anything and not have to worry about countervailing legal arguments
     
    That is the whole point. Accusing 'witches' in far away places is a safe way to stir up hysteria. Going to an actual court and charging a real person with writing 'disparaging remarks about Hillary Clinton', while using a fake name, would lead to a laugh-fest around the world. So they safely named culprits who are unlikely to show up in court.

    If Putin was the evil genius he is supposed to be, he would send one or two of them to Washington, pay for their lawyers, and watch the resulting circus. I suspect that DOJ did the remote, un-enforceable charges intentionally.

    If a 'foreigner' cannot express a viewpoint about US elections, or by precedent about any elections anywhere in the world - which is what this in effect is charging, all else are process distractions - then we have some big issues with free speech in the world. By this standard, almost any person could be charged anywhere with 'meddling'. Are people supposed to just shut up about anything that is not in their own country? This is bizarre. Socrates died for this.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @PhysicistDave, @Tom-in-VA, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    So, by the same principle, could a certain ex-president of Mexico be indicted? Asking for a friend.

  144. @Tiny Duck
    I think it's time for war with russia

    They stole our election and denied Mrs. Clinton her time

    This will e the downfall of trump


    You just wait

    This is only the beginning

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Stan Adams

    I think it’s time for war with russia

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkyWs6feLaU#t=13m30s

  145. @guest
    @Anon7

    They have slowed Trump down, not hamstrung him. He's been more successful thus far on getting what he wants done than any Republican president in my memory.

    His opponents have succeeded in keeping an air of crisis surrounding his administration. But that's because they have a near-monopoly on the courts, the mainstream press, the Permanent Government, and the Deep State. The courts didn't need Russia-gate to stand in his way, and the Permanent Government could've stonewalled without it.

    Weigh the advantage they've gotten out of pretending a president executing his own authority is obstruction of justice against all the credibility they've burned through.

    They may be ahead right now, but the Spy versus Spy stuff has only begun. The Obama administration has its own Watergate in the early stages, whereas the never-ending crisis of Trump scandals (or "scandals") hasn't yet amounted to much.

    They can carry it out through 2020, but it will be running on fumes. Think instead what might have happened had they treated Trump like a regular Evil Republican president. They could have done much better, I think.

    Replies: @Alfa158, @MarkinLA

    I think a bigger factor in slowing Trump down is the fact that he has such little support from the Republican congresscreatures. Almost all of them wanted someone like Jeb to get the nomination then gracefully lose. The Trump populist proposals that won him the Prsidency such as immigration restriction, and trade protection to help American workers go against the Chamber of Commerce whores in both parties. With Republican majorities he should have been able to get this done but he just doesn’t have the votes for his agenda.

    • Agree: Travis
  146. It reminds me of that movie Galaxy Quest with the aliens who thought Star Trek TV episodes were historical documents because their society had no concept of lying. We poor defenseless Americans had no idea that some people on the internet are making up stuff. I guess Trump would be Tim Allen’s blowhard Capt. Kirk, and the ugly warlord alien would be Putin.

  147. @Steve Sailer
    @Whoever

    Trump's immigration law enforcement push is helping residents of American territories. For example, with fewer MesoAmerican illegal immigrants available, American firms are recruiting in Puerto Rico a lot more than during earlier times.

    Replies: @Jimi, @Karl

    92 iSteve > Trump’s immigration law enforcement push is helping residents of American territories

    i’ll take your word for it, that such is true in Puerto Rico.

    It doesn’t help the Guam-nik’im, who are up against LEGAL job-competition from Compact-of-Free-Association islanders

    Those people have the same rights as American citizens, in EVERY sphere except voting and receiving a US Passport. (In particular, the American-Samoans receive USA-issued laiser-passez travel documents)

    In fact,the Samoans have been ruled to be “American Nationals”

  148. Anonymous [AKA "El stevo"] says:

    Julian and Joaquin’s long lost brother!

    It’s all a DNC plot! Lmao

  149. @CK
    Looking forward a bit, the likely outcome of all this will be a law or set of laws that make it illegal for foreign governmental agencies and foreign nationals to interfere with elections in the USA.
    At which point foreign governments will pass similar laws. So ask yourself which nations interfere in other nations elections the most. Colour revolutions anyone? The Russian Federation has already removed various American "NGOs" over the past several election cycles for interfering in Russian elections. The nations that do the most direct interference in USA elections at all levels are the Mexican and the Israeli.
    This nothingburger has some interesting condiments available to it.

    Replies: @Aardvark

    Looking forward a bit, the likely outcome of all this will be a law or set of laws that make it illegal for foreign governmental agencies and foreign nationals to interfere with elections in the USA.

    Don’t we already have such laws, if you are a foreign agent you are required to register as one?
    Oh, except if you are from Israel…

  150. @neutral
    Is it really the citrus capital of the world? Brazil is known to be the biggest orange producer, so I don't know how an American town can make that claim.

    Replies: @Alden, @Federalist

    Sunkist began in Fillmore, Santa Paula and a couple other towns around there in the 19th century. So it’s historic in the development of the citrus industry.

    I’ve been to Santa Paula a few times. It’s the epitome of a pretty little farm town. It has a classic small town Main Street. It was heavily built up 1870 to 1920 and has a lot of Victorian and craftsman houses they were never stuccoed over and remodeled. It’s fairly dry and desert beige rather than green.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Alden

    And they discovered oil in Santa Paula back in the There Will Be Blood days, so it has some nice old buildings because it had a fair amount of money in the old days.

  151. @scrivener3
    I thought the SCOUTS has held that the 1st amendment applies to foreign nationals residing in the US. Here's a typical news article:

    As immigration attorneys, we are careful to explain to our clients their rights and obligations under U.S. immigration law. We tell our non-citizen clients all the time that only U.S citizens are guaranteed entry into the U.S. However, we also stress that even non-citizens have rights under the Constitution. The Executive Order, whether on purpose or not, severely limits, in our opinion, Constitutional protections for non-citizens.

    Briefly, even non-citizens have the following guarantees under the U.S Constitution:

    Equal protection of the laws
    Political freedoms of speech and association,
    Due process requirements of fair procedure where their lives, liberty, or property are at stake.

    Unless the Constitution expressly sets apart its protections to U.S. citizens, it protects non-citizens too.
     
    So if some Russian corporation or person wants to express political opinions on Facebook or Twitter or somewhere, why can;t they? They can't give money to a campaign but I'm not clear on the charge? Having a preference in the US election?

    Replies: @anon, @PhysicistDave, @Alden, @Reg Cæsar

    Very astute of you.

  152. @eD
    I don't always agree with Jerome Armstrong by any means, but he has a good point when he notes that this guy here is the only one indicted who has any chance of seeing the inside of a courtroom. The others are out of the country and not going to show up. What that means is that very little of Mueller's allegations are going to get tested in a court of law, with defense arguments and defense witnesses. He can pretty much say anything and not have to worry about countervailing legal arguments.

    Replies: @Henry's Cat, @Beckow, @scrivener3

    He can pretty much say anything and not have to worry about countervailing legal arguments.

    Yeah, like one of those secret FISA courts!

  153. @neutral
    Is it really the citrus capital of the world? Brazil is known to be the biggest orange producer, so I don't know how an American town can make that claim.

    Replies: @Alden, @Federalist

    Maybe Mueller should indict Santa Paula for identity theft.

  154. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Lot

    I hadn't noticed the US was short of people, but I had noticed that there were plenty of US tech people being squeezed out of jobs by cheap indentured Indian labour.

    "young Russian hackers bothering us now would make excellent legitimate IT workers here"

    What could possibly go wrong? Perhaps they should employ young Chinese hackers too.

    "cybercrime based mainly in the former USSR and secondary concentrations is North Korea greatly degrades US quality of life"

    Really? Perhaps there's a /sarc tag missing. I can think of a lot of things degrading the US quality of life, like the fact that real male wages are below 1971 levels, but few or none are related to Russian hackers.

    Replies: @Anonym, @Anonymous

    like the fact that real male wages are below 1971 levels, but few or none are related to Russian hackers.

    Cite?

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Anonymous

    Actually it's 1973. Adjusted for inflation, median male US worker earned less in 2014 than 41 years earlier, in 1973. And in 1973 there wasn't the huge drop out rate (i.e. pretty much all American men of working age actually were working.

    https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/the-typical-male-u-s-worker-earned-less-in-2014-than-in-1973/

    Replies: @Anonymous

  155. What is Mueller really trying to snag? He’s playing a part right now…I know it! And, since his fingers are all over Uranium One, does he really think he or his children; grands, are not gonna suffer from his greed that he weak-kneed to, years ago?

    Back in 1989, FBI was not paid well. Their salary, for even guys 20 years in, was pathetic. The salaries of the FBI, in the field, was pretty low. I know it.

  156. I have a sinking feeling the future will be everything outside a narrow range of opinion being accused of originating from Russian bots stamping on a human face forever.

    Or at least until they outlaw inconvenient speech on the internet.

  157. The company’s LinkedIn page touts Auction Essistance as a haven for users who have been unfairly banned from Amazon or EBay because of negative reviews or false allegations.

    So that makes him the Unz.com of identity arbitrage?

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Reg Cæsar

    Pinedo found a niche and made a living with it. Milton Friedman would be proud.

    Poor guy, maybe he’ll get a sympathetic judge who’ll dismiss the ridiculous charge right away. We’re I his attorney I’d play the poor put upon discriminated against Hispanic card.

  158. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    And what does that actor have on Lucas and Spielberg that he kept getting roles in huge movies?

    Replies: @MEH 0910, @Mr. Anon

    And what does that actor have on Lucas and Spielberg that he kept getting roles in huge movies?

    William Hootkins.

    I think it was just that he was an american actor who resided in the UK, so he was available to play Americans. Another actor who worked that gig was Richard LeParmentier (also in Star Wars). Star Wars and Raiders were mostly filmed in England (the indoor parts, that is), and there weren’t that many british actors who could pull off a convincing american accent back in the 70s and 80s. Now there seem to be lots of them who have studied to do that very thing.

    James Maxwell was another American who found work in the UK, though mostly playing Englishmen. He was quite good as Henry VII in the old BBC miniseries:

    The Shadow of the Tower

    Well worth a viewing (and you can watch it for free on youtube).

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Mr. Anon

    There's an American actor (I forget his name) who has made a living out of playing Americans in Mexican movies. He looks super-American, like a cross between Gerald Ford and Ed Harris:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/video-mexican-president-requests-open-borders-from-american-ambassador/

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Mr. Anon


    Another actor who worked that gig was Richard LeParmentier (also in Star Wars).
     
    You may find this past rambling thread interesting. (#244, etc.)
  159. @Anonymous
    In that video, was that fat guy, trying to act like he knows how to smoke a pipe, the guy who played the fat x-wing fighter "Porkins" in Star Wars?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Mr. Anon

    In that video, was that fat guy, trying to act like he knows how to smoke a pipe, the guy who played the fat x-wing fighter “Porkins” in Star Wars?

    As was said in Honest Trailers: Star Wars: That’s just mean!

  160. I’d rather have Richard Pinedo meddling in our elections than Richard Florida meddling in our demography.

  161. @scrivener3
    I thought the SCOUTS has held that the 1st amendment applies to foreign nationals residing in the US. Here's a typical news article:

    As immigration attorneys, we are careful to explain to our clients their rights and obligations under U.S. immigration law. We tell our non-citizen clients all the time that only U.S citizens are guaranteed entry into the U.S. However, we also stress that even non-citizens have rights under the Constitution. The Executive Order, whether on purpose or not, severely limits, in our opinion, Constitutional protections for non-citizens.

    Briefly, even non-citizens have the following guarantees under the U.S Constitution:

    Equal protection of the laws
    Political freedoms of speech and association,
    Due process requirements of fair procedure where their lives, liberty, or property are at stake.

    Unless the Constitution expressly sets apart its protections to U.S. citizens, it protects non-citizens too.
     
    So if some Russian corporation or person wants to express political opinions on Facebook or Twitter or somewhere, why can;t they? They can't give money to a campaign but I'm not clear on the charge? Having a preference in the US election?

    Replies: @anon, @PhysicistDave, @Alden, @Reg Cæsar

    I thought the SCOUTS has held that the 1st amendment applies to foreign nationals residing in the US.

    Did they get merit badges for that?

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Reg Cæsar

    No Blue Checkmark?

    I'm not in.

  162. @J.Ross
    Good thing they found that guy cause it's not like we have teachers attempting to build bombs.
    The Toro Twins in New York are a public school teacher and his brother who paid students to break apart fireworks to collect the explosive material. It's being stressed that they are "not terrorists" (meaning white supremacists, which of course they're not), although they had writings in their personal effects promising to obtain weapons and bring terror to "the small ones" (children? unmixed white people? midgets?). Toro sounds Spanish but their photos look like Angry Mulattoes. Does anyone know if they're Boricua?
    (Snark: this guy is a graduate of an education college and presumably took some science classes, and his bomb was getting sifted up one m80 at a time.)
    http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2018/02/17/ny-teacher-twin-charged-paying-students-make-bombs/

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome

    UNDER THE FULL MOON THE SMALL ONES WILL KNOW TERROR

    Hobbits?
    Elrond Reads Thorin’s Map

  163. @Svigor
    Seriously though, is there a word for "rule by mass media corporations"?

    Because that's what we have in the USA.

    Mediocracy?

    Replies: @Samuel Skinner, @scrivener3

    Theocracy. Just because their religion is secular and lacks God, doesn’t mean it isn’t an insane death cult.

  164. @International Jew
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    I'm trying to figure out just what kinds of services his little business was providing. IMO that's the most interesting part of this story.

    I've long been puzzled about the spectacularly high ratings (often above 99%) of sellers on Ebay. How is that possible?? Even the most conscientious business attracts some chronic complainers, and they've got to be way more than 1%.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    I dunno, I’ve got 100% positive ratings as a seller on ebay and Amazon without having had to pay anyone off. They discourage you from posting negative ratings on ebay without trying to reconcile problems privately.

    • Replies: @Sleep
    @Harry Baldwin

    That and the fact that ... I think? ... sellers can see the purchase history of their potential buyers and refuse to sell to someone who seems to cause problems everywhere they go.

  165. I think that’s actually a clip of a major news organization self-hoaxing when one of theirs finds a disc of anti-Trump fan fic at the DC 24 Hour Fitness.

  166. @AndrewR
    Wow. Drumpf, it's over for you.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Wow. Drumpf, it’s over for you.

    What would we do without your trenchant analysis?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Review his past comments, he's one of ours, he's being sarcastic.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

  167. @Buzz Mohawk
    Gotta love the way our great investigative bureau wheels out its pathetic list of indictments right after it gets caught dropping the ball in Florida. "Oh yeah we completely ignored that school shooter, but look over here, we caught Russians posting stuff on Facebook!"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7CLzSQZJCU

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Seth Largo, @gunner29, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    True. The upper bound on bureaucratic stupidity is a fallen digit 8 that can’t get up.

  168. @Charles Pewitt

    Next up: Obama indicted for trying to influence Brexit vote with threats of trade war with UK.

     

    https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/964060474164748288

    https://twitter.com/albiondumsday/status/964806551855869953

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Charles, you cannot expect consistency from the Left. And do not look for honesty either. BTW, facts and experience will not be helpful in any quest for understanding. Submission is the objective of the Left. It is why they love the moose limbs. Two paths, same destination.

  169. @Mr. Anon
    @Steve Sailer


    And what does that actor have on Lucas and Spielberg that he kept getting roles in huge movies?
     
    William Hootkins.

    I think it was just that he was an american actor who resided in the UK, so he was available to play Americans. Another actor who worked that gig was Richard LeParmentier (also in Star Wars). Star Wars and Raiders were mostly filmed in England (the indoor parts, that is), and there weren't that many british actors who could pull off a convincing american accent back in the 70s and 80s. Now there seem to be lots of them who have studied to do that very thing.

    James Maxwell was another American who found work in the UK, though mostly playing Englishmen. He was quite good as Henry VII in the old BBC miniseries:

    The Shadow of the Tower

    Well worth a viewing (and you can watch it for free on youtube).

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    There’s an American actor (I forget his name) who has made a living out of playing Americans in Mexican movies. He looks super-American, like a cross between Gerald Ford and Ed Harris:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/video-mexican-president-requests-open-borders-from-american-ambassador/

  170. @Alden
    @neutral

    Sunkist began in Fillmore, Santa Paula and a couple other towns around there in the 19th century. So it’s historic in the development of the citrus industry.

    I’ve been to Santa Paula a few times. It’s the epitome of a pretty little farm town. It has a classic small town Main Street. It was heavily built up 1870 to 1920 and has a lot of Victorian and craftsman houses they were never stuccoed over and remodeled. It’s fairly dry and desert beige rather than green.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    And they discovered oil in Santa Paula back in the There Will Be Blood days, so it has some nice old buildings because it had a fair amount of money in the old days.

  171. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @AndrewR


    Wow. Drumpf, it’s over for you.
     
    What would we do without your trenchant analysis?

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Review his past comments, he’s one of ours, he’s being sarcastic.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @J.Ross

    Perhaps he is one of yours, (though I expect a future revision of your assessment), but he is not one of ours.

  172. • Replies: @guest
    @Anonymous

    Hyperbole is hyperbole, but that analogy is begging Trump to declare Total War on a nuclear power.

    If all they're suggesting is Trump should have a press conference with harsh words, or at most impose sanctions, the Pearl Harbor thing is bad rhetoric. Makes them appear foolish

  173. @Jim Don Bob
    Why does it take three "journalists" to write this kind of tripe? But then again, maybe they see this as Pulitzer prize worthy - speaking truth to power and all.

    Replies: @Laugh Track

    Why does it take three “journalists” to write this kind of tripe? But then again, maybe they see this as Pulitzer prize worthy – speaking truth to power and all.

    It seems to me that the bylines on news articles at many major MSM newspapers these days (NYTimes, WaPo, LATimes, etc.) often run to 3-4 journalists, commonly an almost laughably “diverse” mix of ethnic names. Perhaps newspaper articles were always a concoction of multiple hands, but only now are they all getting credit in the bylines. OTOH, maybe it is part of the same propaganda effort that has nearly every commercial on TV display a diverse group of friends, consumers, disease-sufferers all amiably co-existing in a liberal’s wet dream universe.

    Even the NBA All-Star entertainment slot tonight between the 3-point contest and the slam dunk contest was devoted to NBA players (and singers) vowing their allegiance to Unity, Equality, and Diversity. Perhaps ESPN can send out some investigative journalists to discover whose idea all this was. It just didn’t happen spontaneously.

  174. @El Dato
    @Jack Hanson

    Yuropean Media seems convinced this all spells Deep Trouble for Trump.

    It's like when you feel you are really living the logic of a post-2000 George Lucas movie.

    Replies: @e

    They know it’s a nothingburger, but they’ve learned that as long as the Big Three all stick together and treat the news as if it’s a victory, there will be die hard voters who take them seriously and donate to congressional candidates this coming election.

  175. anon • Disclaimer says:

    I knew they hated Americans outside their circle, knew they thought them stupid. I simply never imagined, however, that they thought us that stupid.

    They really must. It just blows my mind.

    I’ve never considered myself an evil genius. But this plan they have uncovered is so ridiculously obvious. I mean, let’s say I really cared about some election they were having in Ecuador. Well, OK. What would I do about it? Somewhere pretty early in my planning stage, I’m sure it would occur to me to find some pictures of hot Ecuadorean women on Google, make some fake social media accounts with them, and start posting hashtags about the challenger. And suppose I had a spare hundred thousand dollars lying around. If I could buy some Facebook ads easily enough, I’m sure I would. I actually like to think I’d come up with something better than that, but as just a bare minimum, that’s something I would do.

    You simply cannot convince me that this hasn’t been happening in every election since the dawn of social media. It’s so obvious and so easy for anyone with average intelligence to come up with that it has to have been done by someone.

    But nobody was dumb enough to pretend like it mattered before, so they never bothered to investigate. So the irony is, they’re mad that Trump has been ignoring it, when literally all of these people have been ignoring it for years up until now.

    The whole thing is asinine. And most of them have to realize it as well. Our only hope is that Tucker Carlson or someone like that goes on TV and points it out.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @anon

    anon wrote:


    But this plan they have uncovered is so ridiculously obvious.
     
    I am assuming, as you are, that Mueller is not just lying through his teeth, that he did not just fabricate the whole thing.

    But, we do need to keep the alternative hypothesis in mind: Chris Steele (and/or his sources) did just brazenly lie,, and the FBI used those lies to violate Carter Page's constitutional rights.

    Obama's Director of National Intelligence James Clapper did brazenly lie under oath to Congress in 2013; he later explained:


    I responded in what I thought was the most truthful, or least untruthful manner by saying no...
     
    "Least untruthful," indeed!

    Mueller comes from the same milieu. His colleagues have lied when they thought they could get away with it. Is Mueller more honest than Clapper et al.?

    I doubt Mueller is so brazen as to have made up everything in the indictment. On the other hand, none of these defendants will ever see the inside of a US courtroom. Just maybe Mueller does think he can get away with it. Will we ever really know?

    Replies: @El Dato, @Harry Baldwin

    , @guest
    @anon

    You know the old saying about a lie getting halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to put its shoes on.

    This plan sounds stupid, and on one level it is stupid. But you must remember most people are idiots, and there are armies of people perfectly willing to lie (to us and themselves) to keep Russia-gate afloat.

    On another level, it's a smart play. Given what's available to them, I mean. Which isn't much. You can explain that we meddle in other people's elections, and that a long list of countries besides Russia meddle in ours. But the very fact that you must take time to explain is a mini-victory for them.

    Remember the movie Wag the Dog? They were trying to keep a major scandal out of the headlines leading up to a presidential election, so they presented the appearance of war. They went day-by-day, almost moment by moment, just buying themselves time.

    That's what's up, here. It doesn't have to make sense. It's just a series of distractions. For instance, the anti-Nunes memo has served its purpose, which was to make the Nunes memo appear partisan, and to make it look like Trump is selectively releasing secret information. I fully expect Schiff and the rest not to bring it up again. Perhaps they'll say the Mueller indictments covered it.

    Which in retrospect makes all the sound and fury about a competing memo ridiculous. But what does that mean to them? We've all moved on. That's yesterday's news.

    However stupid Russia-gate is, the scary thing is that it probably would've worked in the old days of the MSM's monopoly on public attention.

    Then again, if it was the old days Trump wouldn't be president, and they wouldn't have to bother.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

  176. @Mr. Anon
    @Steve Sailer


    And what does that actor have on Lucas and Spielberg that he kept getting roles in huge movies?
     
    William Hootkins.

    I think it was just that he was an american actor who resided in the UK, so he was available to play Americans. Another actor who worked that gig was Richard LeParmentier (also in Star Wars). Star Wars and Raiders were mostly filmed in England (the indoor parts, that is), and there weren't that many british actors who could pull off a convincing american accent back in the 70s and 80s. Now there seem to be lots of them who have studied to do that very thing.

    James Maxwell was another American who found work in the UK, though mostly playing Englishmen. He was quite good as Henry VII in the old BBC miniseries:

    The Shadow of the Tower

    Well worth a viewing (and you can watch it for free on youtube).

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Another actor who worked that gig was Richard LeParmentier (also in Star Wars).

    You may find this past rambling thread interesting. (#244, etc.)

  177. @jill
    Read count 12, item b at bottom of page 7 of the Mueller indictment. Is this a joke? What am I reading? This rises to the level of a crime?

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1035562/download

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @PhysicistDave

    It’s actually worth reading through the indictment to which jill linked. Parts of it are (presumably unintentionally) really quite funny. Maybe the funniest (paragraph 12b) is:

    For example, on or about May 29, 2016, Defendants and their co-conspirators, through an ORGANIZATION-controlled social media account, arranged for a real U.S. person to stand in front of the White House in the District of Columbia under false pretenses to hold a sign that read “Happy 55th Birthday Dear Boss.” Defendants and their co-conspirators informed the real U.S. person that the sign was for someone who “is a leader here and our boss . . . our funder.” PRIGOZHIN’s Russian passport identifies his date of birth as June 1, 1961.

    Ooooh! Isn’t that sweet? Spies who celebrate their boss’s birthday! Our democracy cannot survive such fiendish monsters!

    It is also interesting that Mueller claims to know the following:

    After the trip, KRYLOVA and BURCHIK exchanged an intelligence report regarding the trip. [paragraph 3c)

    Another co-conspirator who worked for the ORGANIZATION traveled to Atlanta, Georgia from approximately November 26, 2014 through November 30, 2014. Following the trip, the co-conspirator provided POLOZOV a summary of his trip’s itinerary and expenses. (paragraph 30d)

    The specialists were divided into day-shift and night-shift hours and instructed to make posts in accordance with the appropriate U.S. time zone. The ORGANIZATION also circulated lists of U.S. holidays so that specialists could develop and post appropriate account activity. (paragraph 33)

    So… how can Mueller et al. know all these details of the internal operation of this organization — expense reports, holiday schedules, etc.? (I’m assuming that Mueller is not just fabricating everything out of whole cloth a la the Steele dossier.)

    Did Mueller have a mole on the inside? Or are these spies so incompetent that they communicated all of this electronically, without employing easily used encryption, so that the US could easily intercept it?

    Or did these guys want to be unmasked? Was the actual point of the whole exercise not to change the election, which was obviously impossible, but rather to encourage a circus just like we are now seeing from Mueller?

    Full disclosure: I did technical work for the US Intelligence Community back in the ’80s and ’90s. But, of course, I have no secret information as to what the real goal of this Russian operation was.

    But, if I had to bet, I’d bet that what we are now seeing was the real purpose of the whole Russian operation: i.e. I strongly believe that Robert Mueller is in fact an (unwitting?) tool of the Russians.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @PhysicistDave


    But, if I had to bet, I’d bet that what we are now seeing was the real purpose of the whole Russian operation: i.e. I strongly believe that Robert Mueller is in fact an (unwitting?) tool of the Russians.
     
    TO WHAT PURPOSE!

    Application of a backburner, underfunded, badly-staffed Gerasimov Doctrine? (Stipulating the existence of a "Gerasimov Doctrine" has the good features that you can explain away anything you see and justify anything you do. It's a masterstroke of western propaganda, a portable comfort zone, the multiverse theory of politics.)

    NSA footage showing Russian Operatives, pretending to be US citizens, hacking the election:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7Hn1rPQouU
    , @Jack D
    @PhysicistDave

    You're not the 1st one to theorize that they WANTED to get caught. If the goal is to undermine confidence in US elections, which does more - spending $100K on Facebook ads that no one looks at, or having Mueller and half the US Congress publicly proclaiming that our election system had been subverted?

    OTOH, I assume that they learned about the internal operations through various methods of espionage - breaking into Russian servers, intercepting email, etc. and that this information was gathered without the knowledge or intentional leaking by the Russians. Just like our FBI is a bunch of clowns, so are theirs. The movie Bridge of Spies tells the story of Rudolf Abel, a very capable Russian (Jewish) spy in NY in the '50s but it doesn't talk about the story of his replacement - Reino Häyhänen, a Finnish Soviet. Reino was nothing but trouble for Rudolf - getting drunk all the time, stealing the money meant to pay American agents and ultimately defecting to the Americans. Reino died in an accident on the PA Turnpike in 1961 which some people regard as "suspicious" but I suspect he was dead drunk as usual.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Lugash
    @PhysicistDave


    So… how can Mueller et al. know all these details of the internal operation of this organization — expense reports, holiday schedules, etc.? (I’m assuming that Mueller is not just fabricating everything out of whole cloth a la the Steele dossier.)

    Did Mueller have a mole on the inside? Or are these spies so incompetent that they communicated all of this electronically, without employing easily used encryption, so that the US could easily intercept it?
     
    Electronic interception. As an infosec dilettante I can think of a half dozen different types of targets and dozens(if not hundreds) of attack methods the NSA would use. Encryption doesn't mean anything when you've got a misconfigured server/router or an owned endpoint. The Russians almost certainly knew they were pwned. It's not incompetence, when you're going up against the NSA you assume it's going to happen. If you Google for the different techniques you'll be amazed at what even zero-budget duffers can do.

    Replies: @Jack D, @PhysicistDave

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @PhysicistDave


    Maybe the funniest (paragraph 12b) is:
     
    As I mentioned to Jill, the point of that sentence is not to establish nefariousness. It refers to the previous sentence and is showing evidence that actions were being coordinated from above rather than happening haphazardly.

    Mueller et al may be fools and tools, but they aren't outright stupid and incompetent.
  178. @Anon7
    @Tim Howells

    "... the ability to induce total enraged, deranged insanity in his enemies, causing them to destroy themselves..."

    There is nothing insane about the Russia investigation. In fact, it has worked perfectly, beyond the wildest dreams of Democrat strategists. It has hamstrung the Trump administration almost completely for more than a year, by preventing Republicans from associating themselves with him. Republican senators and congressmen are cowards, of course, and card-carrying members of the Swamp; they'll applaud during the State of the Union, but they won't go against the media, which is the propaganda arm of the Democrat party. Half of American voters believe that President Trump committed a crime relating to colluding with Russians.

    If you think that this is it for the Russia investigation, we'll see. I'll bet it's a huge factor in the 2020 presidential election, should Mr. Trump choose to run again.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @guest, @Coemgen, @Tim Howells

    I was making this very argument the other day, but my wife actually convinced me I was wrong. Trump has actually been quietly advancing his agenda as well as could possibly be expected given the ferocious opposition of Democrats, respectable Republicans, the Deep State, and the entire mainstream media with the exception of the Carlson faction at Fox. Furthermore it is a very positive thing that the fight with the Deep State is being conducted under the spotlights. JFK, Nixon, and Carter tried to keep their conflicts with DS under wraps, which did not work out well for any of them. One great additional benefit for Trump is that it drives his core supporters (like myself) more and more firmly into his camp, when the inevitable political compromises tend to have the opposite effect.

    Even the major polls, all heavily biased against Trump, are showing that a majority or plurality of Americans think that the investigation is politically motivated and highly suspect and unfair. I don’t think this will be a positive factor at all for the Democrats either in this year’s elections or 2020 – quite the opposite. The smarter Democrats like Robert Parry (RIP), Noam Chomsky and Jimmy Dore have been tearing their hair out over this since the Russia mania started.

  179. @anon
    I knew they hated Americans outside their circle, knew they thought them stupid. I simply never imagined, however, that they thought us that stupid.

    They really must. It just blows my mind.

    I've never considered myself an evil genius. But this plan they have uncovered is so ridiculously obvious. I mean, let's say I really cared about some election they were having in Ecuador. Well, OK. What would I do about it? Somewhere pretty early in my planning stage, I'm sure it would occur to me to find some pictures of hot Ecuadorean women on Google, make some fake social media accounts with them, and start posting hashtags about the challenger. And suppose I had a spare hundred thousand dollars lying around. If I could buy some Facebook ads easily enough, I'm sure I would. I actually like to think I'd come up with something better than that, but as just a bare minimum, that's something I would do.

    You simply cannot convince me that this hasn't been happening in every election since the dawn of social media. It's so obvious and so easy for anyone with average intelligence to come up with that it has to have been done by someone.

    But nobody was dumb enough to pretend like it mattered before, so they never bothered to investigate. So the irony is, they're mad that Trump has been ignoring it, when literally all of these people have been ignoring it for years up until now.

    The whole thing is asinine. And most of them have to realize it as well. Our only hope is that Tucker Carlson or someone like that goes on TV and points it out.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @guest

    anon wrote:

    But this plan they have uncovered is so ridiculously obvious.

    I am assuming, as you are, that Mueller is not just lying through his teeth, that he did not just fabricate the whole thing.

    But, we do need to keep the alternative hypothesis in mind: Chris Steele (and/or his sources) did just brazenly lie,, and the FBI used those lies to violate Carter Page’s constitutional rights.

    Obama’s Director of National Intelligence James Clapper did brazenly lie under oath to Congress in 2013; he later explained:

    I responded in what I thought was the most truthful, or least untruthful manner by saying no…

    Least untruthful,” indeed!

    Mueller comes from the same milieu. His colleagues have lied when they thought they could get away with it. Is Mueller more honest than Clapper et al.?

    I doubt Mueller is so brazen as to have made up everything in the indictment. On the other hand, none of these defendants will ever see the inside of a US courtroom. Just maybe Mueller does think he can get away with it. Will we ever really know?

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @PhysicistDave


    I doubt Mueller is so brazen as to have made up everything in the indictment.
     
    These people make up stuff all the time. Dealing in half-truths, interpretable truths, truthiness and innuendo is their bread and butter.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    @PhysicistDave

    If he were going to lie, shouldn't he have made up something more exciting? What he came up with is snooze-worthy.

    BTW, Ann Althouse has made some good posts about this.

  180. @L Woods
    OT: Air Force Academy first sergeant denounced for "microaggression" by SJW colonel ("vice commandant for cadets for culture and climate").

    https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2018/02/16/air-force-academy-first-sergeant-admonished-for-microaggression-email/

    Replies: @El Dato

    The first sergeant concluded his email by reminding [cadets] about former NBA superstar Michael Jordan’s habit of appearing at press conferences in a suit and tie, even without a dress code requiring it.

    Did he write to the cadets “Don’t dress like an N.”!?

    Nope.

    “He was never seen with a gaudy chain around his neck, his pants below his waistline, or with a backwards baseball hat on during public appearances,” Parish said.

    That’s going too far.

    “These comments were very disrespectful, derogatory and unprofessional and in no way reflective of [cadet wing leadership] views,

    It’s so over.

    Reminder: US recruits ‘entitled, undisciplined & not fit to throw grenades’ – Basic training chief

  181. @anon
    This is just pathetic now. After all this, we've got a few Russians trolling on Twitter (which I never even realized was illegal, and is something thousands of Americans do every day, for free anyway) and bought a miniscule amount of advertizing on Facebook.

    Given the simplicity of this plan, don't you imagine that something like this probably happens in every election? Nobody notices because they don't usually turn the full resources of America's intelligence agencies toward rooting it out.

    What kind of idiot would still take this seriously?

    Hold on a second...

    https://twitter.com/JRubinBlogger/status/964611208778272768

    Replies: @guest, @e, @El Dato, @Reg Cæsar

    “Trump should have killed himself and left the arena to Hillary as soon as he realized that Russia literally exists.”

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @El Dato


    “Trump should have killed himself and left the arena to Hillary as soon as he realized that Russia literally exists.”
     
    Had Sarah Palin invited him over to tea, he'd have seen that with his own eyes.
  182. @PhysicistDave
    @anon

    anon wrote:


    But this plan they have uncovered is so ridiculously obvious.
     
    I am assuming, as you are, that Mueller is not just lying through his teeth, that he did not just fabricate the whole thing.

    But, we do need to keep the alternative hypothesis in mind: Chris Steele (and/or his sources) did just brazenly lie,, and the FBI used those lies to violate Carter Page's constitutional rights.

    Obama's Director of National Intelligence James Clapper did brazenly lie under oath to Congress in 2013; he later explained:


    I responded in what I thought was the most truthful, or least untruthful manner by saying no...
     
    "Least untruthful," indeed!

    Mueller comes from the same milieu. His colleagues have lied when they thought they could get away with it. Is Mueller more honest than Clapper et al.?

    I doubt Mueller is so brazen as to have made up everything in the indictment. On the other hand, none of these defendants will ever see the inside of a US courtroom. Just maybe Mueller does think he can get away with it. Will we ever really know?

    Replies: @El Dato, @Harry Baldwin

    I doubt Mueller is so brazen as to have made up everything in the indictment.

    These people make up stuff all the time. Dealing in half-truths, interpretable truths, truthiness and innuendo is their bread and butter.

  183. @Reg Cæsar
    @scrivener3


    I thought the SCOUTS has held that the 1st amendment applies to foreign nationals residing in the US.
     
    Did they get merit badges for that?

    http://www.ocscouts.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/meritBadges.jpg

    Replies: @El Dato

    No Blue Checkmark?

    I’m not in.

  184. @Lot
    Cybercrime based mainly in the former USSR and secondary concentrations is North Korea greatly degrades US quality of life. This guy should pay dearly for selling hundreds of bank accounts using information from hacked Americans. Instead, he gets 18 months and the only reason he was caught at all was his small connection to Russia's election/disinformation hackers, who themselves are a petty operation.

    This is the sort of work that could be done by the FBI, who instead are busy keeping track of all the Jihadi sympathizers and supporters Bush and Obama admitted to the USA.

    Instead of feeding it problematic and unassimilable Muslims, Bush and Obama should have fed Big Capital's Labor Hunger with the many poor Eastern Europeans who would like to migrate to the west, and who quickly assimilate.

    Choosing Eastern European immigrants over Muslims is yet another Worthwhile Israeli Initiative the USA should adopt. The young Russian hackers bothering us now would make excellent legitimate IT workers here, and I believe turn to crime out of boredom and lack of opportunities in Russia.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @YetAnotherAnon, @Steve Sailer

    The marketing research firm where I worked in Chicago hired a bunch of Soviet Jewish programmers in the mid-1980s, but then stopped going out of its way to hire more after a few years of unfortunate experience. Communism didn’t make for good workers. I wonder if this is still true?

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Steve Sailer

    Not these days. Pretty much the best programmers I've ever known have former Soviet Jewish background, though they tend to be citizens of the US, Israel, or some European nation rather than Russia.

    H2B coolie web-devs pasting in random JS they are not, either: a lot of them have backgrounds in physics/math or heavy duty CS fields, especially low-level stuff. Those that had a spell in the USA as postdocs or whatnot often brought HPC skills with them, meaning they could babysit legacy FORTRAN.

    Replies: @El Dato

  185. @PhysicistDave
    @jill

    It's actually worth reading through the indictment to which jill linked. Parts of it are (presumably unintentionally) really quite funny. Maybe the funniest (paragraph 12b) is:


    For example, on or about May 29, 2016, Defendants and their co-conspirators, through an ORGANIZATION-controlled social media account, arranged for a real U.S. person to stand in front of the White House in the District of Columbia under false pretenses to hold a sign that read “Happy 55th Birthday Dear Boss.” Defendants and their co-conspirators informed the real U.S. person that the sign was for someone who “is a leader here and our boss . . . our funder.” PRIGOZHIN’s Russian passport identifies his date of birth as June 1, 1961.
     
    Ooooh! Isn't that sweet? Spies who celebrate their boss's birthday! Our democracy cannot survive such fiendish monsters!

    It is also interesting that Mueller claims to know the following:


    After the trip, KRYLOVA and BURCHIK exchanged an intelligence report regarding the trip. [paragraph 3c)

    Another co-conspirator who worked for the ORGANIZATION traveled to Atlanta, Georgia from approximately November 26, 2014 through November 30, 2014. Following the trip, the co-conspirator provided POLOZOV a summary of his trip’s itinerary and expenses. (paragraph 30d)

    The specialists were divided into day-shift and night-shift hours and instructed to make posts in accordance with the appropriate U.S. time zone. The ORGANIZATION also circulated lists of U.S. holidays so that specialists could develop and post appropriate account activity. (paragraph 33)

     

    So... how can Mueller et al. know all these details of the internal operation of this organization -- expense reports, holiday schedules, etc.? (I'm assuming that Mueller is not just fabricating everything out of whole cloth a la the Steele dossier.)

    Did Mueller have a mole on the inside? Or are these spies so incompetent that they communicated all of this electronically, without employing easily used encryption, so that the US could easily intercept it?

    Or did these guys want to be unmasked? Was the actual point of the whole exercise not to change the election, which was obviously impossible, but rather to encourage a circus just like we are now seeing from Mueller?

    Full disclosure: I did technical work for the US Intelligence Community back in the '80s and '90s. But, of course, I have no secret information as to what the real goal of this Russian operation was.

    But, if I had to bet, I'd bet that what we are now seeing was the real purpose of the whole Russian operation: i.e. I strongly believe that Robert Mueller is in fact an (unwitting?) tool of the Russians.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Jack D, @Lugash, @Chrisnonymous

    But, if I had to bet, I’d bet that what we are now seeing was the real purpose of the whole Russian operation: i.e. I strongly believe that Robert Mueller is in fact an (unwitting?) tool of the Russians.

    TO WHAT PURPOSE!

    Application of a backburner, underfunded, badly-staffed Gerasimov Doctrine? (Stipulating the existence of a “Gerasimov Doctrine” has the good features that you can explain away anything you see and justify anything you do. It’s a masterstroke of western propaganda, a portable comfort zone, the multiverse theory of politics.)

    NSA footage showing Russian Operatives, pretending to be US citizens, hacking the election:

  186. @Anonymous
    Could Mueller be investigating that "insurance policy" over at the FBI? That might result in a much more interesting set of indictments.

    Replies: @Yngvar

    The investigation is the “insurance policy”. If Trump move against malefactors in the bureau or try to reform the FBI (or other important agencies), Mueller will throw up his hands, disband his team and claim ‘obstruction!’

    TPTB will keep it on a low boil as long as Trump is in the White House. It’s a blocking move.

  187. @Steve Sailer
    @Lot

    The marketing research firm where I worked in Chicago hired a bunch of Soviet Jewish programmers in the mid-1980s, but then stopped going out of its way to hire more after a few years of unfortunate experience. Communism didn't make for good workers. I wonder if this is still true?

    Replies: @nebulafox

    Not these days. Pretty much the best programmers I’ve ever known have former Soviet Jewish background, though they tend to be citizens of the US, Israel, or some European nation rather than Russia.

    H2B coolie web-devs pasting in random JS they are not, either: a lot of them have backgrounds in physics/math or heavy duty CS fields, especially low-level stuff. Those that had a spell in the USA as postdocs or whatnot often brought HPC skills with them, meaning they could babysit legacy FORTRAN.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @nebulafox

    This.

    Also, FWIW:

    https://blog.hackerrank.com/which-country-would-win-in-the-programming-olympics/

    Ok, back to Haskell...

    Replies: @nebulafox

  188. @guest
    @Henry's Cat

    Le Resistance and NeverTrumpers alike have been in many cases reduced to splitting hairs about the difference between non-Russian illegals and Russian foreign influencers. It's consistently hilarious.

    At least NeverTrumpers can fall back on the Cold War and FX's dramatic series the Americans. Plus a smidgen of suspicion of the majority of illegals.

    Replies: @Henry's Cat

    Moscow ought to declare that it’s a sanctuary city. It could then twin itself with Tel Aviv.

  189. @nebulafox
    @Steve Sailer

    Not these days. Pretty much the best programmers I've ever known have former Soviet Jewish background, though they tend to be citizens of the US, Israel, or some European nation rather than Russia.

    H2B coolie web-devs pasting in random JS they are not, either: a lot of them have backgrounds in physics/math or heavy duty CS fields, especially low-level stuff. Those that had a spell in the USA as postdocs or whatnot often brought HPC skills with them, meaning they could babysit legacy FORTRAN.

    Replies: @El Dato

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @El Dato

    I'm trying to pick up Haskell myself. Seems like it has a bunch of interesting academic applications, especially with category theory, but not many industrial ones yet.

    What are you using it for? If you ever would like someone to hack on something cool with... ah, no way of PMing each other on Unz, I suppose.

  190. @PhysicistDave
    @anon

    anon wrote:


    But this plan they have uncovered is so ridiculously obvious.
     
    I am assuming, as you are, that Mueller is not just lying through his teeth, that he did not just fabricate the whole thing.

    But, we do need to keep the alternative hypothesis in mind: Chris Steele (and/or his sources) did just brazenly lie,, and the FBI used those lies to violate Carter Page's constitutional rights.

    Obama's Director of National Intelligence James Clapper did brazenly lie under oath to Congress in 2013; he later explained:


    I responded in what I thought was the most truthful, or least untruthful manner by saying no...
     
    "Least untruthful," indeed!

    Mueller comes from the same milieu. His colleagues have lied when they thought they could get away with it. Is Mueller more honest than Clapper et al.?

    I doubt Mueller is so brazen as to have made up everything in the indictment. On the other hand, none of these defendants will ever see the inside of a US courtroom. Just maybe Mueller does think he can get away with it. Will we ever really know?

    Replies: @El Dato, @Harry Baldwin

    If he were going to lie, shouldn’t he have made up something more exciting? What he came up with is snooze-worthy.

    BTW, Ann Althouse has made some good posts about this.

  191. @Jack Hanson
    The FBI spent more time investigating Kurt Eichenwald's supposed seizure by gif than concise reports of Nikolas Cruz.

    Let that sink in.

    Replies: @Vinteuil, @Art Deco

    Cruz was an ill-tempered adolescent collecting guns. Monitoring him was the business of the Florida state police, not federal law enforcement.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Then they should have referred it to the local police, but they didn't do that either. But you can't sneeze without committing a Federal crime so they had plenty of jurisdiction if they wanted to.

    Someone called in a detailed tip (in retrospect a very good tip) on Cruz and the FBI completely dropped the ball - they did nothing with it. It disappeared into the maw of the bureaucracy and no attempt was made to follow up. The agency says it doesn't have the resources to pursue these leads but apparently they do have the resources to pursue political witch hunts and indict people in foreign countries with whom we have no extradition treaty and zero prospect of ever arresting. Which is a better use of resources?

    This is an old game with the FBI - Hoover spent 50 years going after Communists while showing zero interest in organized crime, which in those days was a serious problem. Hoover even denied that the Mafia even existed. One theory was that the Mob had evidence of Hoover's gayness and made a deal with him to keep it quiet if he laid off of them. Regardless, the point is that law enforcement (especially Federal law enforcement which to a large extent is duplicative of state laws) is a very selective thing - we have lots and lots of laws so the authorities always pick and choose which laws they wish to spend their resources on based on the political winds and (even more so) on their own agendas.

    Replies: @Alden, @TWS

  192. I am unimpressed with the special prosecutors’ vaunted reputation.

    Higher courts overturning your best achievements will do that.

    This is just pathetic now. After all this, we’ve got a few Russians trolling on Twitter (which I never even realized was illegal,

    Can someone explain to me how the indictments Mueller brought against these Russians doesn’t set a precedent for, say, indicting some bigmouth in the BBC or Labor Party for talking trash on Trump? Do they all register as foreign lobbyists or something?

    It has something to do with buying ads, which I believe is considered a “contribution” to the campaign.

    Nevertheless. The implication is that Trump “colluded” with these Russians to get them to do this.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if there are quite a few Brits who have talked trash on Trump and contributed to cankles, or one of Trump’s primary opponents, or the DNC, etc. Wouldn’t be surprised if there weren’t, either, but…

    The investigation is the “insurance policy”. If Trump move against malefactors in the bureau or try to reform the FBI (or other important agencies), Mueller will throw up his hands, disband his team and claim ‘obstruction!’

    TPTB will keep it on a low boil as long as Trump is in the White House. It’s a blocking move.

    Good point. So, why hasn’t Trump started mass firings elsewhere in the deep shit state? He should do it out of retaliation, at least.

    He can also demand a precise and concise list of people essential to the investigation, and fire everyone he doesn’t like who isn’t on the list. Or just rip off the bandaid and fire everyone he doesn’t like, and make a speech about how investigations are about evidence and cases, not the investigators, and the mopes he fired are free to their replacements.

    Not these days. Pretty much the best programmers I’ve ever known have former Soviet Jewish background, though they tend to be citizens of the US, Israel, or some European nation rather than Russia.

    The best programmers you’ve ever known are all over 50?

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Svigor

    Agree.

  193. @Art Deco
    @Jack Hanson

    Cruz was an ill-tempered adolescent collecting guns. Monitoring him was the business of the Florida state police, not federal law enforcement.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Then they should have referred it to the local police, but they didn’t do that either. But you can’t sneeze without committing a Federal crime so they had plenty of jurisdiction if they wanted to.

    Someone called in a detailed tip (in retrospect a very good tip) on Cruz and the FBI completely dropped the ball – they did nothing with it. It disappeared into the maw of the bureaucracy and no attempt was made to follow up. The agency says it doesn’t have the resources to pursue these leads but apparently they do have the resources to pursue political witch hunts and indict people in foreign countries with whom we have no extradition treaty and zero prospect of ever arresting. Which is a better use of resources?

    This is an old game with the FBI – Hoover spent 50 years going after Communists while showing zero interest in organized crime, which in those days was a serious problem. Hoover even denied that the Mafia even existed. One theory was that the Mob had evidence of Hoover’s gayness and made a deal with him to keep it quiet if he laid off of them. Regardless, the point is that law enforcement (especially Federal law enforcement which to a large extent is duplicative of state laws) is a very selective thing – we have lots and lots of laws so the authorities always pick and choose which laws they wish to spend their resources on based on the political winds and (even more so) on their own agendas.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Jack D

    Excellent post, you said it all and you are right that federal laws are nothing but duplicates of state and even county laws. The most useless is ATFE I could never figure out why tobacco is included in that agency.

    , @TWS
    @Jack D

    Hoover knew that if you fight the Dragon long enough, you risk becoming the Dragon. Look at the DEA. No one would mistake them for above board and honest.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  194. *Brief* their replacements.

  195. @PhysicistDave
    @jill

    It's actually worth reading through the indictment to which jill linked. Parts of it are (presumably unintentionally) really quite funny. Maybe the funniest (paragraph 12b) is:


    For example, on or about May 29, 2016, Defendants and their co-conspirators, through an ORGANIZATION-controlled social media account, arranged for a real U.S. person to stand in front of the White House in the District of Columbia under false pretenses to hold a sign that read “Happy 55th Birthday Dear Boss.” Defendants and their co-conspirators informed the real U.S. person that the sign was for someone who “is a leader here and our boss . . . our funder.” PRIGOZHIN’s Russian passport identifies his date of birth as June 1, 1961.
     
    Ooooh! Isn't that sweet? Spies who celebrate their boss's birthday! Our democracy cannot survive such fiendish monsters!

    It is also interesting that Mueller claims to know the following:


    After the trip, KRYLOVA and BURCHIK exchanged an intelligence report regarding the trip. [paragraph 3c)

    Another co-conspirator who worked for the ORGANIZATION traveled to Atlanta, Georgia from approximately November 26, 2014 through November 30, 2014. Following the trip, the co-conspirator provided POLOZOV a summary of his trip’s itinerary and expenses. (paragraph 30d)

    The specialists were divided into day-shift and night-shift hours and instructed to make posts in accordance with the appropriate U.S. time zone. The ORGANIZATION also circulated lists of U.S. holidays so that specialists could develop and post appropriate account activity. (paragraph 33)

     

    So... how can Mueller et al. know all these details of the internal operation of this organization -- expense reports, holiday schedules, etc.? (I'm assuming that Mueller is not just fabricating everything out of whole cloth a la the Steele dossier.)

    Did Mueller have a mole on the inside? Or are these spies so incompetent that they communicated all of this electronically, without employing easily used encryption, so that the US could easily intercept it?

    Or did these guys want to be unmasked? Was the actual point of the whole exercise not to change the election, which was obviously impossible, but rather to encourage a circus just like we are now seeing from Mueller?

    Full disclosure: I did technical work for the US Intelligence Community back in the '80s and '90s. But, of course, I have no secret information as to what the real goal of this Russian operation was.

    But, if I had to bet, I'd bet that what we are now seeing was the real purpose of the whole Russian operation: i.e. I strongly believe that Robert Mueller is in fact an (unwitting?) tool of the Russians.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Jack D, @Lugash, @Chrisnonymous

    You’re not the 1st one to theorize that they WANTED to get caught. If the goal is to undermine confidence in US elections, which does more – spending $100K on Facebook ads that no one looks at, or having Mueller and half the US Congress publicly proclaiming that our election system had been subverted?

    OTOH, I assume that they learned about the internal operations through various methods of espionage – breaking into Russian servers, intercepting email, etc. and that this information was gathered without the knowledge or intentional leaking by the Russians. Just like our FBI is a bunch of clowns, so are theirs. The movie Bridge of Spies tells the story of Rudolf Abel, a very capable Russian (Jewish) spy in NY in the ’50s but it doesn’t talk about the story of his replacement – Reino Häyhänen, a Finnish Soviet. Reino was nothing but trouble for Rudolf – getting drunk all the time, stealing the money meant to pay American agents and ultimately defecting to the Americans. Reino died in an accident on the PA Turnpike in 1961 which some people regard as “suspicious” but I suspect he was dead drunk as usual.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D


    Reino Häyhänen, a Finnish Soviet
     
    Evidently you go further in Finland without the umlauts. Look at Tatu and Matti Vanhanen.

    (Who have nothing to do with David Lee Roth. These names are accented on the first syllable, even the first vowel if it's in a diphthong. Tatu's birthplace still carries the name Leningrad, by the way.)

    Reino died in an accident on the PA Turnpike in 1961 which some people regard as "suspicious" but I suspect he was dead drunk as usual.
     
    Or admiring the scenery. I swear many of the Turnpike's neighboring farms are landscaped, Potemkin-style.

    I-81, in contrast, is the perfect place to kill someone. No accident on that road is ever suspicious. Perhaps because the rocky layout and dense truck traffic in the Commonwealth stretches are so scary, drivers take extra care (I sure did), and the stats are actually less deadly than in states to the south.
  196. @Chrisnonymous
    Question:

    Does the Playboy Playmate story coming out at the same time as the Mueller investigation goes kaput mean that there is a change in tactics going on? Are we going to hear one sexual scandal after another for the next 10 months?

    Replies: @Lugash, @Corn, @guest

    Yes, until they realize its not having the desired effect. Since the main strategy of having Mueller remove Trump appears to be a flop, they’re speeding up the alternate one of isolating him from his close associates. Why do you think Kelly went from ‘responsible adult in the room’ to ‘domestic abuse enabler’ overnight? This new shit is aimed at Trump’s relationship with Melania.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Lugash


    Yes, until they realize its not having the desired effect. Since the main strategy of having Mueller remove Trump appears to be a flop, they're speeding up the alternate one of isolating him from his close associates. Why do you think Kelly went from 'responsible adult in the room' to 'domestic abuse enabler' overnight? This new shit is aimed at Trump's relationship with Melania.
     
    Deep State has always been trying to get Trump's appointees - associates to have to leave him. Steve Bannon was one. Melania better be tough enough to ride out Trump's sex escapades that took place 10+ years ago. The latest revelation is a former Playboy bunny. That Melania never would have known about if Trump were not President. In the last month Melania has been giving DJT the cold shoulder in public. Kelly is too liberal for me but he is a stabilizing influence on Donald Trump. General Kelly is a rock!
  197. @Anonymous
    @YetAnotherAnon

    like the fact that real male wages are below 1971 levels, but few or none are related to Russian hackers.

    Cite?

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    Actually it’s 1973. Adjusted for inflation, median male US worker earned less in 2014 than 41 years earlier, in 1973. And in 1973 there wasn’t the huge drop out rate (i.e. pretty much all American men of working age actually were working.

    https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/the-typical-male-u-s-worker-earned-less-in-2014-than-in-1973/

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Thank you.

  198. @PhysicistDave
    @jill

    It's actually worth reading through the indictment to which jill linked. Parts of it are (presumably unintentionally) really quite funny. Maybe the funniest (paragraph 12b) is:


    For example, on or about May 29, 2016, Defendants and their co-conspirators, through an ORGANIZATION-controlled social media account, arranged for a real U.S. person to stand in front of the White House in the District of Columbia under false pretenses to hold a sign that read “Happy 55th Birthday Dear Boss.” Defendants and their co-conspirators informed the real U.S. person that the sign was for someone who “is a leader here and our boss . . . our funder.” PRIGOZHIN’s Russian passport identifies his date of birth as June 1, 1961.
     
    Ooooh! Isn't that sweet? Spies who celebrate their boss's birthday! Our democracy cannot survive such fiendish monsters!

    It is also interesting that Mueller claims to know the following:


    After the trip, KRYLOVA and BURCHIK exchanged an intelligence report regarding the trip. [paragraph 3c)

    Another co-conspirator who worked for the ORGANIZATION traveled to Atlanta, Georgia from approximately November 26, 2014 through November 30, 2014. Following the trip, the co-conspirator provided POLOZOV a summary of his trip’s itinerary and expenses. (paragraph 30d)

    The specialists were divided into day-shift and night-shift hours and instructed to make posts in accordance with the appropriate U.S. time zone. The ORGANIZATION also circulated lists of U.S. holidays so that specialists could develop and post appropriate account activity. (paragraph 33)

     

    So... how can Mueller et al. know all these details of the internal operation of this organization -- expense reports, holiday schedules, etc.? (I'm assuming that Mueller is not just fabricating everything out of whole cloth a la the Steele dossier.)

    Did Mueller have a mole on the inside? Or are these spies so incompetent that they communicated all of this electronically, without employing easily used encryption, so that the US could easily intercept it?

    Or did these guys want to be unmasked? Was the actual point of the whole exercise not to change the election, which was obviously impossible, but rather to encourage a circus just like we are now seeing from Mueller?

    Full disclosure: I did technical work for the US Intelligence Community back in the '80s and '90s. But, of course, I have no secret information as to what the real goal of this Russian operation was.

    But, if I had to bet, I'd bet that what we are now seeing was the real purpose of the whole Russian operation: i.e. I strongly believe that Robert Mueller is in fact an (unwitting?) tool of the Russians.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Jack D, @Lugash, @Chrisnonymous

    So… how can Mueller et al. know all these details of the internal operation of this organization — expense reports, holiday schedules, etc.? (I’m assuming that Mueller is not just fabricating everything out of whole cloth a la the Steele dossier.)

    Did Mueller have a mole on the inside? Or are these spies so incompetent that they communicated all of this electronically, without employing easily used encryption, so that the US could easily intercept it?

    Electronic interception. As an infosec dilettante I can think of a half dozen different types of targets and dozens(if not hundreds) of attack methods the NSA would use. Encryption doesn’t mean anything when you’ve got a misconfigured server/router or an owned endpoint. The Russians almost certainly knew they were pwned. It’s not incompetence, when you’re going up against the NSA you assume it’s going to happen. If you Google for the different techniques you’ll be amazed at what even zero-budget duffers can do.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Lugash


    It’s not incompetence, when you’re going up against the NSA you assume it’s going to happen.
     
    I agree with most of what you wrote but not this. I'm sure that the Russian have ways of communicating securely when they want to. (There are still channels on shortwave where Moscow reads out endless strings of numbers which are tied to one time use code pads - this sort of encryption is unbreakable unless you can get your hand on the pad or the pad is reused). It's possible that they knew that this stuff would get read and they were just feeding disinformation over it but it's also possible that they thought that they were flying under the radar and wouldn't get read for that reason and not because it is technically impossible. There are tons and tons of communications that the NSA COULD read if they wanted to but there are not enough humans (even with AI doing keyword search) to physically read all the traffic. There are millions of servers in Russia and the NSA doesn't have the resources to hack every single one.
    , @PhysicistDave
    @Lugash

    Lugash wrote to me:


    Electronic interception. As an infosec dilettante I can think of a half dozen different types of targets and dozens(if not hundreds) of attack methods the NSA would use. Encryption doesn’t mean anything when you’ve got a misconfigured server/router or an owned endpoint.
     
    Well... I'm afraid you are showing yourself to be worse than, as you put it, "an infosec dilettante."

    As I said, I did technical work for the US Intelligence Community back in the '80s and '90s. And, I can assure you that very straightforward security efforts on the part of the Russians would have prevented even the NSA from intercepting their communications.

    Current decent-quality encryption is completely unbreakable unless you have a quantum computer far more powerful than what seems to be achievable -- as a physicist (I have a Ph.D. from Stanford), I assure you that there are formidable obstacles to creating that size quantum computer.

    The tell-tale is the paragraph I quoted about the "Happy Birthday" sign in front of the White House. This is quite obviously not the sort of action taken by people who seriously want to remain secret.

    The Russians did not care about being caught. Their getting caught has created enormously more disruption in the US political system than they could possibly have achieved through their silly Twitter antics.

    All of this does make you wonder if Russians have IQs ten points higher than Americans!

    Replies: @El Dato, @Clyde, @scrivener3, @Lugash

  199. Wasn’t it an ex-Soviet guy who dumped all those paywalled science papers onto free access servers, then killed himself when he was prosecuted?

    (Declaration of interest – it is outrageous for science papers, especially those produced by publically-funded scientists, to be paywalled. He was a good guy, a hero, in my eyes.)

  200. @Lugash
    @PhysicistDave


    So… how can Mueller et al. know all these details of the internal operation of this organization — expense reports, holiday schedules, etc.? (I’m assuming that Mueller is not just fabricating everything out of whole cloth a la the Steele dossier.)

    Did Mueller have a mole on the inside? Or are these spies so incompetent that they communicated all of this electronically, without employing easily used encryption, so that the US could easily intercept it?
     
    Electronic interception. As an infosec dilettante I can think of a half dozen different types of targets and dozens(if not hundreds) of attack methods the NSA would use. Encryption doesn't mean anything when you've got a misconfigured server/router or an owned endpoint. The Russians almost certainly knew they were pwned. It's not incompetence, when you're going up against the NSA you assume it's going to happen. If you Google for the different techniques you'll be amazed at what even zero-budget duffers can do.

    Replies: @Jack D, @PhysicistDave

    It’s not incompetence, when you’re going up against the NSA you assume it’s going to happen.

    I agree with most of what you wrote but not this. I’m sure that the Russian have ways of communicating securely when they want to. (There are still channels on shortwave where Moscow reads out endless strings of numbers which are tied to one time use code pads – this sort of encryption is unbreakable unless you can get your hand on the pad or the pad is reused). It’s possible that they knew that this stuff would get read and they were just feeding disinformation over it but it’s also possible that they thought that they were flying under the radar and wouldn’t get read for that reason and not because it is technically impossible. There are tons and tons of communications that the NSA COULD read if they wanted to but there are not enough humans (even with AI doing keyword search) to physically read all the traffic. There are millions of servers in Russia and the NSA doesn’t have the resources to hack every single one.

  201. @Lugash
    @Chrisnonymous

    Yes, until they realize its not having the desired effect. Since the main strategy of having Mueller remove Trump appears to be a flop, they're speeding up the alternate one of isolating him from his close associates. Why do you think Kelly went from 'responsible adult in the room' to 'domestic abuse enabler' overnight? This new shit is aimed at Trump's relationship with Melania.

    Replies: @Clyde

    Yes, until they realize its not having the desired effect. Since the main strategy of having Mueller remove Trump appears to be a flop, they’re speeding up the alternate one of isolating him from his close associates. Why do you think Kelly went from ‘responsible adult in the room’ to ‘domestic abuse enabler’ overnight? This new shit is aimed at Trump’s relationship with Melania.

    Deep State has always been trying to get Trump’s appointees – associates to have to leave him. Steve Bannon was one. Melania better be tough enough to ride out Trump’s sex escapades that took place 10+ years ago. The latest revelation is a former Playboy bunny. That Melania never would have known about if Trump were not President. In the last month Melania has been giving DJT the cold shoulder in public. Kelly is too liberal for me but he is a stabilizing influence on Donald Trump. General Kelly is a rock!

  202. @PhysicistDave
    @jill

    It's actually worth reading through the indictment to which jill linked. Parts of it are (presumably unintentionally) really quite funny. Maybe the funniest (paragraph 12b) is:


    For example, on or about May 29, 2016, Defendants and their co-conspirators, through an ORGANIZATION-controlled social media account, arranged for a real U.S. person to stand in front of the White House in the District of Columbia under false pretenses to hold a sign that read “Happy 55th Birthday Dear Boss.” Defendants and their co-conspirators informed the real U.S. person that the sign was for someone who “is a leader here and our boss . . . our funder.” PRIGOZHIN’s Russian passport identifies his date of birth as June 1, 1961.
     
    Ooooh! Isn't that sweet? Spies who celebrate their boss's birthday! Our democracy cannot survive such fiendish monsters!

    It is also interesting that Mueller claims to know the following:


    After the trip, KRYLOVA and BURCHIK exchanged an intelligence report regarding the trip. [paragraph 3c)

    Another co-conspirator who worked for the ORGANIZATION traveled to Atlanta, Georgia from approximately November 26, 2014 through November 30, 2014. Following the trip, the co-conspirator provided POLOZOV a summary of his trip’s itinerary and expenses. (paragraph 30d)

    The specialists were divided into day-shift and night-shift hours and instructed to make posts in accordance with the appropriate U.S. time zone. The ORGANIZATION also circulated lists of U.S. holidays so that specialists could develop and post appropriate account activity. (paragraph 33)

     

    So... how can Mueller et al. know all these details of the internal operation of this organization -- expense reports, holiday schedules, etc.? (I'm assuming that Mueller is not just fabricating everything out of whole cloth a la the Steele dossier.)

    Did Mueller have a mole on the inside? Or are these spies so incompetent that they communicated all of this electronically, without employing easily used encryption, so that the US could easily intercept it?

    Or did these guys want to be unmasked? Was the actual point of the whole exercise not to change the election, which was obviously impossible, but rather to encourage a circus just like we are now seeing from Mueller?

    Full disclosure: I did technical work for the US Intelligence Community back in the '80s and '90s. But, of course, I have no secret information as to what the real goal of this Russian operation was.

    But, if I had to bet, I'd bet that what we are now seeing was the real purpose of the whole Russian operation: i.e. I strongly believe that Robert Mueller is in fact an (unwitting?) tool of the Russians.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Jack D, @Lugash, @Chrisnonymous

    Maybe the funniest (paragraph 12b) is:

    As I mentioned to Jill, the point of that sentence is not to establish nefariousness. It refers to the previous sentence and is showing evidence that actions were being coordinated from above rather than happening haphazardly.

    Mueller et al may be fools and tools, but they aren’t outright stupid and incompetent.

  203. That’s an interesting take, but I assume Melania is completely aware of Trump’s cheating. Any woman who thought Trump was going to be monogamous was a fool.

    I was thinking more along the lines of:
    “Trump is compromised and blackmail-able because of his indiscretions”; or, they’re fishing for a harassment case that can be used to entrap Trump with perjury a la Bill Clinton.

  204. Steve,

    You probably know, but the comment section’s formatting is screwed up…

    Time to shine your Bat Signal on the LA smog and activate your billionaire ally, Unzman.

  205. @anon
    This is just pathetic now. After all this, we've got a few Russians trolling on Twitter (which I never even realized was illegal, and is something thousands of Americans do every day, for free anyway) and bought a miniscule amount of advertizing on Facebook.

    Given the simplicity of this plan, don't you imagine that something like this probably happens in every election? Nobody notices because they don't usually turn the full resources of America's intelligence agencies toward rooting it out.

    What kind of idiot would still take this seriously?

    Hold on a second...

    https://twitter.com/JRubinBlogger/status/964611208778272768

    Replies: @guest, @e, @El Dato, @Reg Cæsar

    a miniscule amount

    It’s actually minuscule. From minus + culo, Spanish for “man with no ass”.

  206. @El Dato
    @anon


    "Trump should have killed himself and left the arena to Hillary as soon as he realized that Russia literally exists."
     

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    “Trump should have killed himself and left the arena to Hillary as soon as he realized that Russia literally exists.”

    Had Sarah Palin invited him over to tea, he’d have seen that with his own eyes.

  207. @Lugash
    @PhysicistDave


    So… how can Mueller et al. know all these details of the internal operation of this organization — expense reports, holiday schedules, etc.? (I’m assuming that Mueller is not just fabricating everything out of whole cloth a la the Steele dossier.)

    Did Mueller have a mole on the inside? Or are these spies so incompetent that they communicated all of this electronically, without employing easily used encryption, so that the US could easily intercept it?
     
    Electronic interception. As an infosec dilettante I can think of a half dozen different types of targets and dozens(if not hundreds) of attack methods the NSA would use. Encryption doesn't mean anything when you've got a misconfigured server/router or an owned endpoint. The Russians almost certainly knew they were pwned. It's not incompetence, when you're going up against the NSA you assume it's going to happen. If you Google for the different techniques you'll be amazed at what even zero-budget duffers can do.

    Replies: @Jack D, @PhysicistDave

    Lugash wrote to me:

    Electronic interception. As an infosec dilettante I can think of a half dozen different types of targets and dozens(if not hundreds) of attack methods the NSA would use. Encryption doesn’t mean anything when you’ve got a misconfigured server/router or an owned endpoint.

    Well… I’m afraid you are showing yourself to be worse than, as you put it, “an infosec dilettante.”

    As I said, I did technical work for the US Intelligence Community back in the ’80s and ’90s. And, I can assure you that very straightforward security efforts on the part of the Russians would have prevented even the NSA from intercepting their communications.

    Current decent-quality encryption is completely unbreakable unless you have a quantum computer far more powerful than what seems to be achievable — as a physicist (I have a Ph.D. from Stanford), I assure you that there are formidable obstacles to creating that size quantum computer.

    The tell-tale is the paragraph I quoted about the “Happy Birthday” sign in front of the White House. This is quite obviously not the sort of action taken by people who seriously want to remain secret.

    The Russians did not care about being caught. Their getting caught has created enormously more disruption in the US political system than they could possibly have achieved through their silly Twitter antics.

    All of this does make you wonder if Russians have IQs ten points higher than Americans!

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @PhysicistDave


    Current decent-quality encryption is completely unbreakable unless you have a quantum computer far more powerful than what seems to be achievable

     

    Also works only if you are using RSA public key cryptosystem, which can be opened by quick-factorization via lots-of-qbits quantum computers (and not everyone agrees that these are even allowed by Mother Nature). Symmetric key crypto not designed by NSA is safe as houses.

    Also, How Classical Cryptography Will Survive Quantum Computers.

    The tell-tale is the paragraph I quoted about the “Happy Birthday” sign in front of the White House.
     
    You know how that works:

    Blue Guys approaches:

    "What are you doing there?"
    "We just want to snap a picture for our CEO in front of the White House. It's his birthday!"
    "Can I see some id, please?"

    Clearly, Russian Collusion!
    , @Clyde
    @PhysicistDave


    The Russians did not care about being caught. Their getting caught has created enormously more disruption in the US political system than they could possibly have achieved through their silly Twitter antics.
     
    I am thinking the Russian hackers were similar to the dead wood government employees we can find in America in all levels of government. That they got this plum assignment to steal the election for Donald Trump via an uncle with connections to Vladimir Putin's barber.
    , @scrivener3
    @PhysicistDave

    I don't think the Russians knew the USG would implode trying to destroy Trump and therefore intentionally left clues of their actions. I live here and I didn't know how the establishment would go insane trying to destroy TRUMP. (Funny how
    "the establishment" now includes college students and young people.)

    They hated Regan and Bush but nothing like the current attacks.

    Probably the Russians had some vestigial operations to undermine confidence in various democratic elections, just as they probably promoted black lives matter and the occupy movement. Just a cheap way to jab an enemy with their own domestic problems. Didn;t we fund Islamic resistance to Russians in some country?

    The funny thing is, the unbelievable reaction to Trump leads me to believe he maybe threatens the status quo elites and grifters feeding at the federal trough.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson, @guest

    , @Lugash
    @PhysicistDave


    Current decent-quality encryption is completely unbreakable unless you have a quantum computer far more powerful than what seems to be achievable — as a physicist (I have a Ph.D. from Stanford), I assure you that there are formidable obstacles to creating that size quantum computer.

     

    Yes, current crypto is unbreakable. Which is why I said:

    Encryption doesn’t mean anything when you’ve got a misconfigured server/router or an owned endpoint.

    The Snowden leaks gave us pretty good insight into how the NSA operates. Directly attacking encryption doesn't seem to be in their playbook, unless you count stealing key material. It's compromising endpoints, social engineering, password reuse, mass data interception(in the US) etc. Encrypting communications(data is motion) is mostly secure; data at rest isn't.

    The Russians did not care about being caught. Their getting caught has created enormously more disruption in the US political system than they could possibly have achieved through their silly Twitter antics.
     
    Possibly. They seem to have switched up the rules. As Victoria Nuland said about the 'Fuck the EU' incident, we know the Russians intercept our calls, they hadn't released them to the public before. I think the original plan expected Hilary to lose, but sow division that only natsec insiders knew about. Trump winning put plan B into motion, like you said.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

  208. @Chrisnonymous
    Question:

    Does the Playboy Playmate story coming out at the same time as the Mueller investigation goes kaput mean that there is a change in tactics going on? Are we going to hear one sexual scandal after another for the next 10 months?

    Replies: @Lugash, @Corn, @guest

    The party of Bill Clinton wants to use adultery as a weapon against someone.

    *Shaking my head*

  209. @CCZ
    @PhysicistDave

    Once again just a second hand opinion.

    Friday on MSNBC’s “All In,” Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-NY) said Russian interference with U.S. elections and political processes that resulted in 13 indictments against Russian nationals was “equivalent” to the attack on Pearl Harbor by Japanese in 1941.

    Partial transcript as follows:


    NADLER: My reaction to the news is this is absolute proof of what we knew all along and what the president has denied, namely that we were attacked. This is a very serious attack against the United States by a hostile foreign power, an attack against our election process, our entire governing process. We know that the attack is continuing. And that our intelligence agencies tell us that it’s going to certainly continue through the next election. And the president and the Republicans in the House for that matter refuse, refuse to do anything about protecting us from an attack. Imagine if FDR had denied that the Japanese attacked us at Pearl Harbor and didn’t react. That’s the equivalent.

    HAYES: It’s a bit of a different thing.

    NADLER: No it’s not.

    HAYES: They didn’t kill anyone.

    NADLER: They didn’t kill anyone but they’re destroying our democratic process.

    HAYES: Do you really think it’s on par?

    NADLER: Not in the amount of violence, but in the seriousness, it is very much on par. This country exists to have a democratic system with a small d. That’s what the country’s all about. This is an attempt to destroy that.

     

    Replies: @Jack D

    Nadler represents the Upper West Side of Manhattan – perhaps the most leftist district in the US this side of San Francisco. Look at his web page:

    https://nadler.house.gov/

    He is at the extreme left wing of the D party, as far left as you can be and still be in the party (any further and he would have to call himself a socialist, like Sanders) , the left wing equivalent of Roy Moore. If you can think of the most conventional party line leftist position on any issue (and then notch it a little bit more left), that would be his position. I assume he gets 100% or something very close to it on the scorecards from left-liberal organizations. He is literally a big fat idiot and one would have no reason to expect him to spout other than idiotic things.

    Of course the difference is that the Democrat party will never distance itself from Nadler the way the cuckservatives ran from Moore (and from Trump). They are, as the Chinese say, as close as lips and teeth.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D


    Nadler represents the Upper West Side of Manhattan - perhaps the most leftist district in the US this side of San Francisco.
     
    And, like San Francisco, notoriously well-off. Napa socialists.

    Emanuel Celler, the immigration obsessive who served longer in the House than any other New Yorker, despite his leftism (which excluded feminism), abjectly served the recording industry's interests in Congress. Sanders likewise has been criticized by other lefties as kow-towing to gun manufacturers in his state.

    Does Nadler also have an industry favorite to suck up to?
  210. @Jack D
    @PhysicistDave

    You're not the 1st one to theorize that they WANTED to get caught. If the goal is to undermine confidence in US elections, which does more - spending $100K on Facebook ads that no one looks at, or having Mueller and half the US Congress publicly proclaiming that our election system had been subverted?

    OTOH, I assume that they learned about the internal operations through various methods of espionage - breaking into Russian servers, intercepting email, etc. and that this information was gathered without the knowledge or intentional leaking by the Russians. Just like our FBI is a bunch of clowns, so are theirs. The movie Bridge of Spies tells the story of Rudolf Abel, a very capable Russian (Jewish) spy in NY in the '50s but it doesn't talk about the story of his replacement - Reino Häyhänen, a Finnish Soviet. Reino was nothing but trouble for Rudolf - getting drunk all the time, stealing the money meant to pay American agents and ultimately defecting to the Americans. Reino died in an accident on the PA Turnpike in 1961 which some people regard as "suspicious" but I suspect he was dead drunk as usual.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Reino Häyhänen, a Finnish Soviet

    Evidently you go further in Finland without the umlauts. Look at Tatu and Matti Vanhanen.

    (Who have nothing to do with David Lee Roth. These names are accented on the first syllable, even the first vowel if it’s in a diphthong. Tatu’s birthplace still carries the name Leningrad, by the way.)

    Reino died in an accident on the PA Turnpike in 1961 which some people regard as “suspicious” but I suspect he was dead drunk as usual.

    Or admiring the scenery. I swear many of the Turnpike’s neighboring farms are landscaped, Potemkin-style.

    I-81, in contrast, is the perfect place to kill someone. No accident on that road is ever suspicious. Perhaps because the rocky layout and dense truck traffic in the Commonwealth stretches are so scary, drivers take extra care (I sure did), and the stats are actually less deadly than in states to the south.

  211. Of course end to end encryption using the common algorithms and a long enough key is currently unbreakable. UNLESS the NSA has penetrated your server and has access to the plain test. UNLESS there is a back door in the encryption that the NSA knows about and you don’t. Unless, unless, unless.

    Mathematically what you say is correct but just using encryption is not the beginning and the end of the discussion. The NSA is constantly looking for chinks in the armor (as are the Russians). Hillary’s email was encrypted en route as is most email traffic nowadays but there were other vulnerabilities in her server.

  212. @Jack D
    @CCZ

    Nadler represents the Upper West Side of Manhattan - perhaps the most leftist district in the US this side of San Francisco. Look at his web page:

    https://nadler.house.gov/

    He is at the extreme left wing of the D party, as far left as you can be and still be in the party (any further and he would have to call himself a socialist, like Sanders) , the left wing equivalent of Roy Moore. If you can think of the most conventional party line leftist position on any issue (and then notch it a little bit more left), that would be his position. I assume he gets 100% or something very close to it on the scorecards from left-liberal organizations. He is literally a big fat idiot and one would have no reason to expect him to spout other than idiotic things.

    Of course the difference is that the Democrat party will never distance itself from Nadler the way the cuckservatives ran from Moore (and from Trump). They are, as the Chinese say, as close as lips and teeth.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Nadler represents the Upper West Side of Manhattan – perhaps the most leftist district in the US this side of San Francisco.

    And, like San Francisco, notoriously well-off. Napa socialists.

    Emanuel Celler, the immigration obsessive who served longer in the House than any other New Yorker, despite his leftism (which excluded feminism), abjectly served the recording industry’s interests in Congress. Sanders likewise has been criticized by other lefties as kow-towing to gun manufacturers in his state.

    Does Nadler also have an industry favorite to suck up to?

  213. @PhysicistDave
    @Lugash

    Lugash wrote to me:


    Electronic interception. As an infosec dilettante I can think of a half dozen different types of targets and dozens(if not hundreds) of attack methods the NSA would use. Encryption doesn’t mean anything when you’ve got a misconfigured server/router or an owned endpoint.
     
    Well... I'm afraid you are showing yourself to be worse than, as you put it, "an infosec dilettante."

    As I said, I did technical work for the US Intelligence Community back in the '80s and '90s. And, I can assure you that very straightforward security efforts on the part of the Russians would have prevented even the NSA from intercepting their communications.

    Current decent-quality encryption is completely unbreakable unless you have a quantum computer far more powerful than what seems to be achievable -- as a physicist (I have a Ph.D. from Stanford), I assure you that there are formidable obstacles to creating that size quantum computer.

    The tell-tale is the paragraph I quoted about the "Happy Birthday" sign in front of the White House. This is quite obviously not the sort of action taken by people who seriously want to remain secret.

    The Russians did not care about being caught. Their getting caught has created enormously more disruption in the US political system than they could possibly have achieved through their silly Twitter antics.

    All of this does make you wonder if Russians have IQs ten points higher than Americans!

    Replies: @El Dato, @Clyde, @scrivener3, @Lugash

    Current decent-quality encryption is completely unbreakable unless you have a quantum computer far more powerful than what seems to be achievable

    Also works only if you are using RSA public key cryptosystem, which can be opened by quick-factorization via lots-of-qbits quantum computers (and not everyone agrees that these are even allowed by Mother Nature). Symmetric key crypto not designed by NSA is safe as houses.

    Also, How Classical Cryptography Will Survive Quantum Computers.

    The tell-tale is the paragraph I quoted about the “Happy Birthday” sign in front of the White House.

    You know how that works:

    Blue Guys approaches:

    “What are you doing there?”
    “We just want to snap a picture for our CEO in front of the White House. It’s his birthday!”
    “Can I see some id, please?”

    Clearly, Russian Collusion!

  214. @PhysicistDave
    @Lugash

    Lugash wrote to me:


    Electronic interception. As an infosec dilettante I can think of a half dozen different types of targets and dozens(if not hundreds) of attack methods the NSA would use. Encryption doesn’t mean anything when you’ve got a misconfigured server/router or an owned endpoint.
     
    Well... I'm afraid you are showing yourself to be worse than, as you put it, "an infosec dilettante."

    As I said, I did technical work for the US Intelligence Community back in the '80s and '90s. And, I can assure you that very straightforward security efforts on the part of the Russians would have prevented even the NSA from intercepting their communications.

    Current decent-quality encryption is completely unbreakable unless you have a quantum computer far more powerful than what seems to be achievable -- as a physicist (I have a Ph.D. from Stanford), I assure you that there are formidable obstacles to creating that size quantum computer.

    The tell-tale is the paragraph I quoted about the "Happy Birthday" sign in front of the White House. This is quite obviously not the sort of action taken by people who seriously want to remain secret.

    The Russians did not care about being caught. Their getting caught has created enormously more disruption in the US political system than they could possibly have achieved through their silly Twitter antics.

    All of this does make you wonder if Russians have IQs ten points higher than Americans!

    Replies: @El Dato, @Clyde, @scrivener3, @Lugash

    The Russians did not care about being caught. Their getting caught has created enormously more disruption in the US political system than they could possibly have achieved through their silly Twitter antics.

    I am thinking the Russian hackers were similar to the dead wood government employees we can find in America in all levels of government. That they got this plum assignment to steal the election for Donald Trump via an uncle with connections to Vladimir Putin’s barber.

  215. @Reg Cæsar

    The company’s LinkedIn page touts Auction Essistance as a haven for users who have been unfairly banned from Amazon or EBay because of negative reviews or false allegations.
     
    So that makes him the Unz.com of identity arbitrage?

    Replies: @Alden

    Pinedo found a niche and made a living with it. Milton Friedman would be proud.

    Poor guy, maybe he’ll get a sympathetic judge who’ll dismiss the ridiculous charge right away. We’re I his attorney I’d play the poor put upon discriminated against Hispanic card.

  216. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Then they should have referred it to the local police, but they didn't do that either. But you can't sneeze without committing a Federal crime so they had plenty of jurisdiction if they wanted to.

    Someone called in a detailed tip (in retrospect a very good tip) on Cruz and the FBI completely dropped the ball - they did nothing with it. It disappeared into the maw of the bureaucracy and no attempt was made to follow up. The agency says it doesn't have the resources to pursue these leads but apparently they do have the resources to pursue political witch hunts and indict people in foreign countries with whom we have no extradition treaty and zero prospect of ever arresting. Which is a better use of resources?

    This is an old game with the FBI - Hoover spent 50 years going after Communists while showing zero interest in organized crime, which in those days was a serious problem. Hoover even denied that the Mafia even existed. One theory was that the Mob had evidence of Hoover's gayness and made a deal with him to keep it quiet if he laid off of them. Regardless, the point is that law enforcement (especially Federal law enforcement which to a large extent is duplicative of state laws) is a very selective thing - we have lots and lots of laws so the authorities always pick and choose which laws they wish to spend their resources on based on the political winds and (even more so) on their own agendas.

    Replies: @Alden, @TWS

    Excellent post, you said it all and you are right that federal laws are nothing but duplicates of state and even county laws. The most useless is ATFE I could never figure out why tobacco is included in that agency.

  217. @Harry Baldwin
    @International Jew

    I dunno, I've got 100% positive ratings as a seller on ebay and Amazon without having had to pay anyone off. They discourage you from posting negative ratings on ebay without trying to reconcile problems privately.

    Replies: @Sleep

    That and the fact that … I think? … sellers can see the purchase history of their potential buyers and refuse to sell to someone who seems to cause problems everywhere they go.

  218. @Chrisnonymous
    Question:

    Does the Playboy Playmate story coming out at the same time as the Mueller investigation goes kaput mean that there is a change in tactics going on? Are we going to hear one sexual scandal after another for the next 10 months?

    Replies: @Lugash, @Corn, @guest

    No, the playmate thing is an extension of the pornstar thing that was getting play a bit ago. Though the people pushing it could have known ahead of time Mueller is going to crap out, this is part of a long-term strategy.

    Goes back to Pussy-gate, really. The Trump as womanizer/adulterer thing is all wrapped up in the Trump assaults/harasses women thing. Though recent iterations appear to be tilted more towards upsetting Moral Majoritatians, it’s really all one big “Trump has a woman problem” story.

    You are to believe that not only did Trump have sex with these women, he probably unduly pressured them into it, too.

    Dems will stick with the Machado Strategy, guaranteed. They blame white women especially for Trump’s victory (when they’re not pretending it was Russia), and that wrong will be righted by doubling down.

  219. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/jonathanalter/status/964658149352509441

    Replies: @guest

    Hyperbole is hyperbole, but that analogy is begging Trump to declare Total War on a nuclear power.

    If all they’re suggesting is Trump should have a press conference with harsh words, or at most impose sanctions, the Pearl Harbor thing is bad rhetoric. Makes them appear foolish

  220. @anon
    I knew they hated Americans outside their circle, knew they thought them stupid. I simply never imagined, however, that they thought us that stupid.

    They really must. It just blows my mind.

    I've never considered myself an evil genius. But this plan they have uncovered is so ridiculously obvious. I mean, let's say I really cared about some election they were having in Ecuador. Well, OK. What would I do about it? Somewhere pretty early in my planning stage, I'm sure it would occur to me to find some pictures of hot Ecuadorean women on Google, make some fake social media accounts with them, and start posting hashtags about the challenger. And suppose I had a spare hundred thousand dollars lying around. If I could buy some Facebook ads easily enough, I'm sure I would. I actually like to think I'd come up with something better than that, but as just a bare minimum, that's something I would do.

    You simply cannot convince me that this hasn't been happening in every election since the dawn of social media. It's so obvious and so easy for anyone with average intelligence to come up with that it has to have been done by someone.

    But nobody was dumb enough to pretend like it mattered before, so they never bothered to investigate. So the irony is, they're mad that Trump has been ignoring it, when literally all of these people have been ignoring it for years up until now.

    The whole thing is asinine. And most of them have to realize it as well. Our only hope is that Tucker Carlson or someone like that goes on TV and points it out.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @guest

    You know the old saying about a lie getting halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to put its shoes on.

    This plan sounds stupid, and on one level it is stupid. But you must remember most people are idiots, and there are armies of people perfectly willing to lie (to us and themselves) to keep Russia-gate afloat.

    On another level, it’s a smart play. Given what’s available to them, I mean. Which isn’t much. You can explain that we meddle in other people’s elections, and that a long list of countries besides Russia meddle in ours. But the very fact that you must take time to explain is a mini-victory for them.

    Remember the movie Wag the Dog? They were trying to keep a major scandal out of the headlines leading up to a presidential election, so they presented the appearance of war. They went day-by-day, almost moment by moment, just buying themselves time.

    That’s what’s up, here. It doesn’t have to make sense. It’s just a series of distractions. For instance, the anti-Nunes memo has served its purpose, which was to make the Nunes memo appear partisan, and to make it look like Trump is selectively releasing secret information. I fully expect Schiff and the rest not to bring it up again. Perhaps they’ll say the Mueller indictments covered it.

    Which in retrospect makes all the sound and fury about a competing memo ridiculous. But what does that mean to them? We’ve all moved on. That’s yesterday’s news.

    However stupid Russia-gate is, the scary thing is that it probably would’ve worked in the old days of the MSM’s monopoly on public attention.

    Then again, if it was the old days Trump wouldn’t be president, and they wouldn’t have to bother.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @guest


    Then again, if it was the old days Trump wouldn’t be president, and they wouldn’t have to bother.
     
    Exactly, which is why whatever happens, Trump is Yuge! Someone pointing out the naked emperor is invaluable.

    Maybe Trump sells us down the river, but even if he does, he ripped the mask off the idiots that rule us. For that, we should all be grateful.
  221. @PhysicistDave
    @Lugash

    Lugash wrote to me:


    Electronic interception. As an infosec dilettante I can think of a half dozen different types of targets and dozens(if not hundreds) of attack methods the NSA would use. Encryption doesn’t mean anything when you’ve got a misconfigured server/router or an owned endpoint.
     
    Well... I'm afraid you are showing yourself to be worse than, as you put it, "an infosec dilettante."

    As I said, I did technical work for the US Intelligence Community back in the '80s and '90s. And, I can assure you that very straightforward security efforts on the part of the Russians would have prevented even the NSA from intercepting their communications.

    Current decent-quality encryption is completely unbreakable unless you have a quantum computer far more powerful than what seems to be achievable -- as a physicist (I have a Ph.D. from Stanford), I assure you that there are formidable obstacles to creating that size quantum computer.

    The tell-tale is the paragraph I quoted about the "Happy Birthday" sign in front of the White House. This is quite obviously not the sort of action taken by people who seriously want to remain secret.

    The Russians did not care about being caught. Their getting caught has created enormously more disruption in the US political system than they could possibly have achieved through their silly Twitter antics.

    All of this does make you wonder if Russians have IQs ten points higher than Americans!

    Replies: @El Dato, @Clyde, @scrivener3, @Lugash

    I don’t think the Russians knew the USG would implode trying to destroy Trump and therefore intentionally left clues of their actions. I live here and I didn’t know how the establishment would go insane trying to destroy TRUMP. (Funny how
    “the establishment” now includes college students and young people.)

    They hated Regan and Bush but nothing like the current attacks.

    Probably the Russians had some vestigial operations to undermine confidence in various democratic elections, just as they probably promoted black lives matter and the occupy movement. Just a cheap way to jab an enemy with their own domestic problems. Didn;t we fund Islamic resistance to Russians in some country?

    The funny thing is, the unbelievable reaction to Trump leads me to believe he maybe threatens the status quo elites and grifters feeding at the federal trough.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @scrivener3


    (Funny how “the establishment” now includes college students and young people.)
     
    Right! Because college students and young people are never recruited to be the minions of the moneyed interests, nor the Leftists polluting our political discourse with the latest appeal to lemming sentimentality. Yep, you cannot deceive the omniscience of college students and young people. No you can't. Nope.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @guest
    @scrivener3

    "Didn;t we fund Islamic resistance to Russians in some country"

    Try all Muslim countries. That was one of our major strategies during the Cold War. Traditional Islamicists were natural enemies of the socialists and social democrats favored by Moscow.

    They also like to blow themselves up.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  222. @J.Ross
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Review his past comments, he's one of ours, he's being sarcastic.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Perhaps he is one of yours, (though I expect a future revision of your assessment), but he is not one of ours.

  223. @guest
    @anon

    You know the old saying about a lie getting halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to put its shoes on.

    This plan sounds stupid, and on one level it is stupid. But you must remember most people are idiots, and there are armies of people perfectly willing to lie (to us and themselves) to keep Russia-gate afloat.

    On another level, it's a smart play. Given what's available to them, I mean. Which isn't much. You can explain that we meddle in other people's elections, and that a long list of countries besides Russia meddle in ours. But the very fact that you must take time to explain is a mini-victory for them.

    Remember the movie Wag the Dog? They were trying to keep a major scandal out of the headlines leading up to a presidential election, so they presented the appearance of war. They went day-by-day, almost moment by moment, just buying themselves time.

    That's what's up, here. It doesn't have to make sense. It's just a series of distractions. For instance, the anti-Nunes memo has served its purpose, which was to make the Nunes memo appear partisan, and to make it look like Trump is selectively releasing secret information. I fully expect Schiff and the rest not to bring it up again. Perhaps they'll say the Mueller indictments covered it.

    Which in retrospect makes all the sound and fury about a competing memo ridiculous. But what does that mean to them? We've all moved on. That's yesterday's news.

    However stupid Russia-gate is, the scary thing is that it probably would've worked in the old days of the MSM's monopoly on public attention.

    Then again, if it was the old days Trump wouldn't be president, and they wouldn't have to bother.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Then again, if it was the old days Trump wouldn’t be president, and they wouldn’t have to bother.

    Exactly, which is why whatever happens, Trump is Yuge! Someone pointing out the naked emperor is invaluable.

    Maybe Trump sells us down the river, but even if he does, he ripped the mask off the idiots that rule us. For that, we should all be grateful.

  224. @scrivener3
    @PhysicistDave

    I don't think the Russians knew the USG would implode trying to destroy Trump and therefore intentionally left clues of their actions. I live here and I didn't know how the establishment would go insane trying to destroy TRUMP. (Funny how
    "the establishment" now includes college students and young people.)

    They hated Regan and Bush but nothing like the current attacks.

    Probably the Russians had some vestigial operations to undermine confidence in various democratic elections, just as they probably promoted black lives matter and the occupy movement. Just a cheap way to jab an enemy with their own domestic problems. Didn;t we fund Islamic resistance to Russians in some country?

    The funny thing is, the unbelievable reaction to Trump leads me to believe he maybe threatens the status quo elites and grifters feeding at the federal trough.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson, @guest

    (Funny how “the establishment” now includes college students and young people.)

    Right! Because college students and young people are never recruited to be the minions of the moneyed interests, nor the Leftists polluting our political discourse with the latest appeal to lemming sentimentality. Yep, you cannot deceive the omniscience of college students and young people. No you can’t. Nope.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    This. Enormous good could be done by forcing Georgetown grads to self-identify with some symbol. Georgetown is pretty much the academy of the federal bureaucracy.

  225. @Seth Largo
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Other than his stance on immigration, there is nothing I like about Sessions.

    Replies: @David Davenport

    Harder for you to sale dope since Jeff Sessions became AG, isn’t it?

    Plus, Sessions is a Southerner and a Christian and he’s so-o-o square!

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @David Davenport

    Sessions Confirms Justice Probe of FBI’s FISA Warrant Application: https://www.lifezette.com/polizette/sessions-confirms-justice-probe-fbis-fisa-warrant-application/

  226. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Anonymous

    Actually it's 1973. Adjusted for inflation, median male US worker earned less in 2014 than 41 years earlier, in 1973. And in 1973 there wasn't the huge drop out rate (i.e. pretty much all American men of working age actually were working.

    https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/the-typical-male-u-s-worker-earned-less-in-2014-than-in-1973/

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Thank you.

  227. @Svigor

    I am unimpressed with the special prosecutors’ vaunted reputation.
     
    Higher courts overturning your best achievements will do that.

    This is just pathetic now. After all this, we’ve got a few Russians trolling on Twitter (which I never even realized was illegal,
     
    Can someone explain to me how the indictments Mueller brought against these Russians doesn't set a precedent for, say, indicting some bigmouth in the BBC or Labor Party for talking trash on Trump? Do they all register as foreign lobbyists or something?

    It has something to do with buying ads, which I believe is considered a “contribution” to the campaign.

    Nevertheless. The implication is that Trump “colluded” with these Russians to get them to do this.
     
    I wouldn't be surprised if there are quite a few Brits who have talked trash on Trump and contributed to cankles, or one of Trump's primary opponents, or the DNC, etc. Wouldn't be surprised if there weren't, either, but...

    The investigation is the “insurance policy”. If Trump move against malefactors in the bureau or try to reform the FBI (or other important agencies), Mueller will throw up his hands, disband his team and claim ‘obstruction!’

    TPTB will keep it on a low boil as long as Trump is in the White House. It’s a blocking move.
     
    Good point. So, why hasn't Trump started mass firings elsewhere in the deep shit state? He should do it out of retaliation, at least.

    He can also demand a precise and concise list of people essential to the investigation, and fire everyone he doesn't like who isn't on the list. Or just rip off the bandaid and fire everyone he doesn't like, and make a speech about how investigations are about evidence and cases, not the investigators, and the mopes he fired are free to their replacements.

    Not these days. Pretty much the best programmers I’ve ever known have former Soviet Jewish background, though they tend to be citizens of the US, Israel, or some European nation rather than Russia.
     
    The best programmers you've ever known are all over 50?

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Agree.

  228. Comment # 219 should read:

    Other than his stance on immigration, there is nothing I like about Sessions.

    Harder for you to buy or sell dope since Jeff Sessions became AG, isn’t it?

    Plus, Sessions is a Southerner and a Christian and he’s so-o-o square!

  229. @Beckow
    @eD


    very little of Mueller’s allegations are going to get tested in a court of law, with defense arguments and defense witnesses. He can pretty much say anything and not have to worry about countervailing legal arguments
     
    That is the whole point. Accusing 'witches' in far away places is a safe way to stir up hysteria. Going to an actual court and charging a real person with writing 'disparaging remarks about Hillary Clinton', while using a fake name, would lead to a laugh-fest around the world. So they safely named culprits who are unlikely to show up in court.

    If Putin was the evil genius he is supposed to be, he would send one or two of them to Washington, pay for their lawyers, and watch the resulting circus. I suspect that DOJ did the remote, un-enforceable charges intentionally.

    If a 'foreigner' cannot express a viewpoint about US elections, or by precedent about any elections anywhere in the world - which is what this in effect is charging, all else are process distractions - then we have some big issues with free speech in the world. By this standard, almost any person could be charged anywhere with 'meddling'. Are people supposed to just shut up about anything that is not in their own country? This is bizarre. Socrates died for this.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @PhysicistDave, @Tom-in-VA, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Socrates died for this.

    Socrates, and the 220 or so that voted to acquit him, did not have the Second Amendment to ensure that they could defend themselves. And our betters are working hard to ensure that we don’t have it either.

  230. @scrivener3
    @PhysicistDave

    I don't think the Russians knew the USG would implode trying to destroy Trump and therefore intentionally left clues of their actions. I live here and I didn't know how the establishment would go insane trying to destroy TRUMP. (Funny how
    "the establishment" now includes college students and young people.)

    They hated Regan and Bush but nothing like the current attacks.

    Probably the Russians had some vestigial operations to undermine confidence in various democratic elections, just as they probably promoted black lives matter and the occupy movement. Just a cheap way to jab an enemy with their own domestic problems. Didn;t we fund Islamic resistance to Russians in some country?

    The funny thing is, the unbelievable reaction to Trump leads me to believe he maybe threatens the status quo elites and grifters feeding at the federal trough.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson, @guest

    “Didn;t we fund Islamic resistance to Russians in some country”

    Try all Muslim countries. That was one of our major strategies during the Cold War. Traditional Islamicists were natural enemies of the socialists and social democrats favored by Moscow.

    They also like to blow themselves up.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @guest

    Try all Muslim countries. That was one of our major strategies during the Cold War. Traditional Islamicists were natural enemies of the socialists and social democrats favored by Moscow.

    The Soviets had no particular affinity for social democrats and there were no social democratic parties to speak of in the Muslim world, though a case could be made for the Republican People's Party in Turkey. I doubt you could demonstrate that the CIA was subsidizing the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, or the National Salvation Party in Turkey, or Jamaat-e-Islami in Pakistan.

    Replies: @Jack D

  231. @PhysicistDave
    @Lugash

    Lugash wrote to me:


    Electronic interception. As an infosec dilettante I can think of a half dozen different types of targets and dozens(if not hundreds) of attack methods the NSA would use. Encryption doesn’t mean anything when you’ve got a misconfigured server/router or an owned endpoint.
     
    Well... I'm afraid you are showing yourself to be worse than, as you put it, "an infosec dilettante."

    As I said, I did technical work for the US Intelligence Community back in the '80s and '90s. And, I can assure you that very straightforward security efforts on the part of the Russians would have prevented even the NSA from intercepting their communications.

    Current decent-quality encryption is completely unbreakable unless you have a quantum computer far more powerful than what seems to be achievable -- as a physicist (I have a Ph.D. from Stanford), I assure you that there are formidable obstacles to creating that size quantum computer.

    The tell-tale is the paragraph I quoted about the "Happy Birthday" sign in front of the White House. This is quite obviously not the sort of action taken by people who seriously want to remain secret.

    The Russians did not care about being caught. Their getting caught has created enormously more disruption in the US political system than they could possibly have achieved through their silly Twitter antics.

    All of this does make you wonder if Russians have IQs ten points higher than Americans!

    Replies: @El Dato, @Clyde, @scrivener3, @Lugash

    Current decent-quality encryption is completely unbreakable unless you have a quantum computer far more powerful than what seems to be achievable — as a physicist (I have a Ph.D. from Stanford), I assure you that there are formidable obstacles to creating that size quantum computer.

    Yes, current crypto is unbreakable. Which is why I said:

    Encryption doesn’t mean anything when you’ve got a misconfigured server/router or an owned endpoint.

    The Snowden leaks gave us pretty good insight into how the NSA operates. Directly attacking encryption doesn’t seem to be in their playbook, unless you count stealing key material. It’s compromising endpoints, social engineering, password reuse, mass data interception(in the US) etc. Encrypting communications(data is motion) is mostly secure; data at rest isn’t.

    The Russians did not care about being caught. Their getting caught has created enormously more disruption in the US political system than they could possibly have achieved through their silly Twitter antics.

    Possibly. They seem to have switched up the rules. As Victoria Nuland said about the ‘Fuck the EU’ incident, we know the Russians intercept our calls, they hadn’t released them to the public before. I think the original plan expected Hilary to lose, but sow division that only natsec insiders knew about. Trump winning put plan B into motion, like you said.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @Lugash

    Lugahs wrote to me:


    The Snowden leaks gave us pretty good insight into how the NSA operates. Directly attacking encryption doesn’t seem to be in their playbook, unless you count stealing key material. It’s compromising endpoints, social engineering, password reuse, mass data interception(in the US) etc. Encrypting communications(data is motion) is mostly secure; data at rest isn’t.
     
    Well... if the US Intelligence Community devoted serious resources to breaking into this penny-ante Russian troll farm, they are dumber than I think they are (and, as I said, I did do technical work for the US Intelligence Community in the '80s and '90s, although of course I was not involved in decisions on who to spy on, and I do have reason to believe they are not that stupid).

    Which is why my bet is that the Russians did not bother to take serious security measures and were easy to intercept.

    Again, the stunt in front of the White House pretty much proves this: that is not the sot of thing that any serious sort of intelligence assets would do.

    The Russian troll farm were just some boys and girls given a bit of money to screw around with Americans' heads. Thanks to Mueller, it worked far better than anyone could have expected.

    The true (perhaps unwitting) Russian tool here is Robert Mueller.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Lugash

  232. @Lugash
    @PhysicistDave


    Current decent-quality encryption is completely unbreakable unless you have a quantum computer far more powerful than what seems to be achievable — as a physicist (I have a Ph.D. from Stanford), I assure you that there are formidable obstacles to creating that size quantum computer.

     

    Yes, current crypto is unbreakable. Which is why I said:

    Encryption doesn’t mean anything when you’ve got a misconfigured server/router or an owned endpoint.

    The Snowden leaks gave us pretty good insight into how the NSA operates. Directly attacking encryption doesn't seem to be in their playbook, unless you count stealing key material. It's compromising endpoints, social engineering, password reuse, mass data interception(in the US) etc. Encrypting communications(data is motion) is mostly secure; data at rest isn't.

    The Russians did not care about being caught. Their getting caught has created enormously more disruption in the US political system than they could possibly have achieved through their silly Twitter antics.
     
    Possibly. They seem to have switched up the rules. As Victoria Nuland said about the 'Fuck the EU' incident, we know the Russians intercept our calls, they hadn't released them to the public before. I think the original plan expected Hilary to lose, but sow division that only natsec insiders knew about. Trump winning put plan B into motion, like you said.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    Lugahs wrote to me:

    The Snowden leaks gave us pretty good insight into how the NSA operates. Directly attacking encryption doesn’t seem to be in their playbook, unless you count stealing key material. It’s compromising endpoints, social engineering, password reuse, mass data interception(in the US) etc. Encrypting communications(data is motion) is mostly secure; data at rest isn’t.

    Well… if the US Intelligence Community devoted serious resources to breaking into this penny-ante Russian troll farm, they are dumber than I think they are (and, as I said, I did do technical work for the US Intelligence Community in the ’80s and ’90s, although of course I was not involved in decisions on who to spy on, and I do have reason to believe they are not that stupid).

    Which is why my bet is that the Russians did not bother to take serious security measures and were easy to intercept.

    Again, the stunt in front of the White House pretty much proves this: that is not the sot of thing that any serious sort of intelligence assets would do.

    The Russian troll farm were just some boys and girls given a bit of money to screw around with Americans’ heads. Thanks to Mueller, it worked far better than anyone could have expected.

    The true (perhaps unwitting) Russian tool here is Robert Mueller.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @PhysicistDave

    The 2015 NYT article said the russian troll farm was hacked by "Anonymous."

    , @Lugash
    @PhysicistDave

    I don't think the NSA was deploying serious resources to go after the troll farm. There are so many easy, low cost ways to pwn* someone's IT assets it's not even funny. And by this I mean 400 pound bored script kiddies sitting on a bed. For the NSA, they've got huge economies of scale, an immense budget and the ability to use secret legal powers in the US.

    I'm guessing your experience was something like going after Russian military comms, which is way different than what the current situation is

    I confess I haven't really gotten into the details on what the Russian did operationally, but I don't think they expected a Trump win either.

    As an aside, here's some informed commentary and speculation by a leading cryptographer that you might find interesting. Even fairly solid keys(i.e. 1024 bit) might be crackable:

    https://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2013/12/03/how-does-nsa-break-ssl/

  233. @PhysicistDave
    @Lugash

    Lugahs wrote to me:


    The Snowden leaks gave us pretty good insight into how the NSA operates. Directly attacking encryption doesn’t seem to be in their playbook, unless you count stealing key material. It’s compromising endpoints, social engineering, password reuse, mass data interception(in the US) etc. Encrypting communications(data is motion) is mostly secure; data at rest isn’t.
     
    Well... if the US Intelligence Community devoted serious resources to breaking into this penny-ante Russian troll farm, they are dumber than I think they are (and, as I said, I did do technical work for the US Intelligence Community in the '80s and '90s, although of course I was not involved in decisions on who to spy on, and I do have reason to believe they are not that stupid).

    Which is why my bet is that the Russians did not bother to take serious security measures and were easy to intercept.

    Again, the stunt in front of the White House pretty much proves this: that is not the sot of thing that any serious sort of intelligence assets would do.

    The Russian troll farm were just some boys and girls given a bit of money to screw around with Americans' heads. Thanks to Mueller, it worked far better than anyone could have expected.

    The true (perhaps unwitting) Russian tool here is Robert Mueller.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Lugash

    The 2015 NYT article said the russian troll farm was hacked by “Anonymous.”

  234. @PhysicistDave
    @Lugash

    Lugahs wrote to me:


    The Snowden leaks gave us pretty good insight into how the NSA operates. Directly attacking encryption doesn’t seem to be in their playbook, unless you count stealing key material. It’s compromising endpoints, social engineering, password reuse, mass data interception(in the US) etc. Encrypting communications(data is motion) is mostly secure; data at rest isn’t.
     
    Well... if the US Intelligence Community devoted serious resources to breaking into this penny-ante Russian troll farm, they are dumber than I think they are (and, as I said, I did do technical work for the US Intelligence Community in the '80s and '90s, although of course I was not involved in decisions on who to spy on, and I do have reason to believe they are not that stupid).

    Which is why my bet is that the Russians did not bother to take serious security measures and were easy to intercept.

    Again, the stunt in front of the White House pretty much proves this: that is not the sot of thing that any serious sort of intelligence assets would do.

    The Russian troll farm were just some boys and girls given a bit of money to screw around with Americans' heads. Thanks to Mueller, it worked far better than anyone could have expected.

    The true (perhaps unwitting) Russian tool here is Robert Mueller.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Lugash

    I don’t think the NSA was deploying serious resources to go after the troll farm. There are so many easy, low cost ways to pwn* someone’s IT assets it’s not even funny. And by this I mean 400 pound bored script kiddies sitting on a bed. For the NSA, they’ve got huge economies of scale, an immense budget and the ability to use secret legal powers in the US.

    I’m guessing your experience was something like going after Russian military comms, which is way different than what the current situation is

    I confess I haven’t really gotten into the details on what the Russian did operationally, but I don’t think they expected a Trump win either.

    As an aside, here’s some informed commentary and speculation by a leading cryptographer that you might find interesting. Even fairly solid keys(i.e. 1024 bit) might be crackable:

    https://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2013/12/03/how-does-nsa-break-ssl/

  235. Well, folks, the mystery as to how Bob Mueller got his information has now been solved, and I fear it is rather mundane.

    Radio Svoboda, a Slavic language operation of the US ministry of propaganda (Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty), ran a story (translated version, original untranslated version) three years ago about this Russian troll farm.

    What seems to show that this is the same operation is Radio Svoboda’s claim:

    The official founder and director general of this organization is the retired militia colonel Mikhail Bystrov, and is funded by the Concord holding, headed by friend and chef of President Vladimir Putin Yevgeny Prigozhin

    Prigozhin, Bystrov, and, of course, Concord are prominently addressed in the Mueller indictment.

    What is so telling about the Radio Svoboda story is that they clearly had no trouble at all getting quite a few Russians to talk openly about the operation: it seems to be no more secret than CNN, NPR, or Radio Svoboda itself, to mention three US government propaganda outlets (and perhaps the Russian trolls lie less than CNN et al.!).

    So, how did Mueller get all his info on this secret Russian intelligence operation?

    Answer: the operation is not secret.

    The funniest thing of all is this claim by a woman identified as Тетяна:

    “They are quite openly placing vacancies on HeadHunter. Through HeadHunter, I found a job, she says. – Just need correspondents, animators, even a few people, up to the cleaners. Ordinary set for the company. Salary is good – 40 thousand rubles. “

    The term “HeadHunter” is in English in the original, by the way: that is not a translation.

    Note that I am not claiming that Mueller got all his info from the Radio Svobada report. He may, indeed, have intercepted some cell conversations. But, it does seem clear that no deep dark spy techniques were needed.

    This was not a deep-cover operation. After all, they recruited via HeadHunter!

    Now, anyone want to bet that any of this will be reported on CNN, MSNBC, NPR,, or even FoxNews?

    (Full disclosure: I did not find this through my own unaided efforts; Lew Rockwell linked to a 4chan discussion which linked to the (untranslated) Radio Svoboda report. Although I do read some Russian, I used Google translate to get the English version.)

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @PhysicistDave

    Incidentally, I may have implied that the original was in Russian -- it's actually Ukrainian, though as someone who studied Russian, I consider Ukrainian just a Russian dialect! (Ukrainians do not agree -- except perhaps for those who live in the Donbass.)

    Replies: @Jack D

  236. @PhysicistDave
    Well, folks, the mystery as to how Bob Mueller got his information has now been solved, and I fear it is rather mundane.

    Radio Svoboda, a Slavic language operation of the US ministry of propaganda (Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty), ran a story (translated version, original untranslated version) three years ago about this Russian troll farm.

    What seems to show that this is the same operation is Radio Svoboda's claim:

    The official founder and director general of this organization is the retired militia colonel Mikhail Bystrov, and is funded by the Concord holding, headed by friend and chef of President Vladimir Putin Yevgeny Prigozhin
     
    Prigozhin, Bystrov, and, of course, Concord are prominently addressed in the Mueller indictment.

    What is so telling about the Radio Svoboda story is that they clearly had no trouble at all getting quite a few Russians to talk openly about the operation: it seems to be no more secret than CNN, NPR, or Radio Svoboda itself, to mention three US government propaganda outlets (and perhaps the Russian trolls lie less than CNN et al.!).

    So, how did Mueller get all his info on this secret Russian intelligence operation?

    Answer: the operation is not secret.

    The funniest thing of all is this claim by a woman identified as Тетяна:

    "They are quite openly placing vacancies on HeadHunter. Through HeadHunter, I found a job, she says. - Just need correspondents, animators, even a few people, up to the cleaners. Ordinary set for the company. Salary is good - 40 thousand rubles. "
     
    The term "HeadHunter" is in English in the original, by the way: that is not a translation.

    Note that I am not claiming that Mueller got all his info from the Radio Svobada report. He may, indeed, have intercepted some cell conversations. But, it does seem clear that no deep dark spy techniques were needed.

    This was not a deep-cover operation. After all, they recruited via HeadHunter!

    Now, anyone want to bet that any of this will be reported on CNN, MSNBC, NPR,, or even FoxNews?

    (Full disclosure: I did not find this through my own unaided efforts; Lew Rockwell linked to a 4chan discussion which linked to the (untranslated) Radio Svoboda report. Although I do read some Russian, I used Google translate to get the English version.)

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    Incidentally, I may have implied that the original was in Russian — it’s actually Ukrainian, though as someone who studied Russian, I consider Ukrainian just a Russian dialect! (Ukrainians do not agree — except perhaps for those who live in the Donbass.)

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @PhysicistDave

    There is no bright line between a dialect and a language. Are Italian and Spanish languages or are they just Latin dialects? The old saying is that "a language is a dialect with an army and a navy" so I guess by that definition Ukrainian is a language nowadays.

    Russian and Ukrainian have enough in common for most Russian speakers to get a pretty good gist of something spoken or written in Ukrainian if not every single word (the other way around is not a fair test because most Ukrainians have studied Russian). Once you get used to the systemic vowel and consonant swaps between the languages (h for g), it's even easier to understand. For people living near the border the two languages shade into each other even more. But that doesn't mean that they are not separate languages any more than Spanish and Portuguese are not separate languages.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  237. @David Davenport
    @Seth Largo

    Harder for you to sale dope since Jeff Sessions became AG, isn't it?

    Plus, Sessions is a Southerner and a Christian and he's so-o-o square!

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Sessions Confirms Justice Probe of FBI’s FISA Warrant Application: https://www.lifezette.com/polizette/sessions-confirms-justice-probe-fbis-fisa-warrant-application/

  238. @guest
    @Anon7

    They have slowed Trump down, not hamstrung him. He's been more successful thus far on getting what he wants done than any Republican president in my memory.

    His opponents have succeeded in keeping an air of crisis surrounding his administration. But that's because they have a near-monopoly on the courts, the mainstream press, the Permanent Government, and the Deep State. The courts didn't need Russia-gate to stand in his way, and the Permanent Government could've stonewalled without it.

    Weigh the advantage they've gotten out of pretending a president executing his own authority is obstruction of justice against all the credibility they've burned through.

    They may be ahead right now, but the Spy versus Spy stuff has only begun. The Obama administration has its own Watergate in the early stages, whereas the never-ending crisis of Trump scandals (or "scandals") hasn't yet amounted to much.

    They can carry it out through 2020, but it will be running on fumes. Think instead what might have happened had they treated Trump like a regular Evil Republican president. They could have done much better, I think.

    Replies: @Alfa158, @MarkinLA

    It isn’t Trump in 2020 so much as it is Congress in 2018. We already see a lot of establishment Republicans not running in 2018 just when the Republicans have a chance to up their Senate majority. The donors are likely buying them off with promises of well paying do-nothing jobs in the private sector and the thought of being forced to do what their constituents want makes them want to vomit.

    Trey Gowdy seems to be the example.

    Don’t underestimate the stupidity of the American voter. My Dad believes every word of this nonsense.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @MarkinLA

    Trey Gowdy seems to be the example.

    Gowdy's a career prosecutor who has spent 80% of his life in South Carolina. His wife has a job in Spartanburg and never moved to DC. His children attended college in state. His family on both sides have history in South Carolina stretching deep into the 19th century. The smart money says he's hired by a firm in Greenville or Spartanburg.

    Replies: @MarkinLA

  239. I know Trump never did anything wrong, but there is a question I have never seen asked:
    Why does he allow this to go on?
    Was he that naiive?
    As Rush said, he should have fired all these fucks on Day 1.
    It has probably been a net benefit to him.
    Is he that smart?
    Does he play the long game that well?
    Did he really know how absurd it would all play out?

    Enough is enough.
    If Republicans retain Congress, I would fire Sessions, Rosenstein, Mueller, Wray, etc. the next day.
    But that’s just me.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    @pepperinmono

    Trump's ego got in the way. When he came in he thought that he could somehow charm the people still there and he let them stay. Once the Mueller thing got going there were too many Republicans willing to impeach him if he fired Mueller and probably the rest of them. By then he was boxed in.

    I think everybody in Congress now knows this is a farce. However, they all have to play the same "Russia meddled" tune to cover their asses so this farce will continue as long as Mueller want it to.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @PhysicistDave
    @pepperinmono

    pepperinmono asked:


    I know Trump never did anything wrong, but there is a question I have never seen asked:

    Why does he allow this to go on?

    Was he that naiive?

    As Rush said, he should have fired all these fucks on Day 1..
     
    Trump won with a minority of the popular vote. He was a very, very weak candidate -- he simply had the good fortune to be running against an obvious crook who also turned out to be incompetent as a campaigner.

    If he had fired Mueller and the other crooks, he would have been removed from office. The way he is playing this, at least he is causing part of the population to become "woke" to the fact that this is no longer a democracy but is rather a dictatorship run by the elite and the Deep State.

    I doubt Trump will be allowed to serve two full terms. But at least he may enable many decent Americans to start seeing the truth about the FBI, the CIA, NSA, etc.

    (Full disclosure: I did technical work for the US Intelligence Community back in the '80s and '90s. When I was a kid, my favorite great-uncle was a Special Agent with the FBI. My step-mom has been friends for over half a century with a CIA covert agent. From a personal and familial viewpoint, I have no reason to hate these agencies. But they have become a threat to the republic. They need to be dismantled.)
  240. @pepperinmono
    I know Trump never did anything wrong, but there is a question I have never seen asked:
    Why does he allow this to go on?
    Was he that naiive?
    As Rush said, he should have fired all these fucks on Day 1.
    It has probably been a net benefit to him.
    Is he that smart?
    Does he play the long game that well?
    Did he really know how absurd it would all play out?

    Enough is enough.
    If Republicans retain Congress, I would fire Sessions, Rosenstein, Mueller, Wray, etc. the next day.
    But that's just me.

    Replies: @MarkinLA, @PhysicistDave

    Trump’s ego got in the way. When he came in he thought that he could somehow charm the people still there and he let them stay. Once the Mueller thing got going there were too many Republicans willing to impeach him if he fired Mueller and probably the rest of them. By then he was boxed in.

    I think everybody in Congress now knows this is a farce. However, they all have to play the same “Russia meddled” tune to cover their asses so this farce will continue as long as Mueller want it to.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @MarkinLA

    so this farce will continue as long as Mueller want it to.

    Disagree. This indictment is an admission by Mueller that there isn't any there there. The Inspector-General has various Holder-Lynch minions in his gunsights and the Flynn conviction might just be tossed out due to prosecutorial misconduct. Supposedly Paul Manafort's partner is negotiating a plea, but he's charged with offenses derived from his influence-peddling business, with which Trump was not involved. (Rosenstein gave Mueller what amounted to a blank check).

    Replies: @MarkinLA

  241. @Svigor
    Seriously though, is there a word for "rule by mass media corporations"?

    Because that's what we have in the USA.

    Mediocracy?

    Replies: @Samuel Skinner, @scrivener3

    I still love Mossburg Everyone would think it terrible to have a mass media censored/run by the government, but no one is concerned that we have a government run by the mass media.

  242. @guest
    @scrivener3

    "Didn;t we fund Islamic resistance to Russians in some country"

    Try all Muslim countries. That was one of our major strategies during the Cold War. Traditional Islamicists were natural enemies of the socialists and social democrats favored by Moscow.

    They also like to blow themselves up.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Try all Muslim countries. That was one of our major strategies during the Cold War. Traditional Islamicists were natural enemies of the socialists and social democrats favored by Moscow.

    The Soviets had no particular affinity for social democrats and there were no social democratic parties to speak of in the Muslim world, though a case could be made for the Republican People’s Party in Turkey. I doubt you could demonstrate that the CIA was subsidizing the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, or the National Salvation Party in Turkey, or Jamaat-e-Islami in Pakistan.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    It's hard to call the Moscow backed parties "social democrats" - the Communists had no interest in democracy except as a means to taking power - after that, there was no need to hold (fair) elections. But, the Moscow backed parties WERE modernizers. When the Soviets had influence in Afghanistan, women were not wearing burkas. In Kabul, at least, they were wearing miniskirts and attending university. We were the ones backing the Neanderthals with the beards and the jihad stuff.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Art Deco

  243. @pepperinmono
    I know Trump never did anything wrong, but there is a question I have never seen asked:
    Why does he allow this to go on?
    Was he that naiive?
    As Rush said, he should have fired all these fucks on Day 1.
    It has probably been a net benefit to him.
    Is he that smart?
    Does he play the long game that well?
    Did he really know how absurd it would all play out?

    Enough is enough.
    If Republicans retain Congress, I would fire Sessions, Rosenstein, Mueller, Wray, etc. the next day.
    But that's just me.

    Replies: @MarkinLA, @PhysicistDave

    pepperinmono asked:

    I know Trump never did anything wrong, but there is a question I have never seen asked:

    Why does he allow this to go on?

    Was he that naiive?

    As Rush said, he should have fired all these fucks on Day 1..

    Trump won with a minority of the popular vote. He was a very, very weak candidate — he simply had the good fortune to be running against an obvious crook who also turned out to be incompetent as a campaigner.

    If he had fired Mueller and the other crooks, he would have been removed from office. The way he is playing this, at least he is causing part of the population to become “woke” to the fact that this is no longer a democracy but is rather a dictatorship run by the elite and the Deep State.

    I doubt Trump will be allowed to serve two full terms. But at least he may enable many decent Americans to start seeing the truth about the FBI, the CIA, NSA, etc.

    (Full disclosure: I did technical work for the US Intelligence Community back in the ’80s and ’90s. When I was a kid, my favorite great-uncle was a Special Agent with the FBI. My step-mom has been friends for over half a century with a CIA covert agent. From a personal and familial viewpoint, I have no reason to hate these agencies. But they have become a threat to the republic. They need to be dismantled.)

  244. @MarkinLA
    @pepperinmono

    Trump's ego got in the way. When he came in he thought that he could somehow charm the people still there and he let them stay. Once the Mueller thing got going there were too many Republicans willing to impeach him if he fired Mueller and probably the rest of them. By then he was boxed in.

    I think everybody in Congress now knows this is a farce. However, they all have to play the same "Russia meddled" tune to cover their asses so this farce will continue as long as Mueller want it to.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    so this farce will continue as long as Mueller want it to.

    Disagree. This indictment is an admission by Mueller that there isn’t any there there. The Inspector-General has various Holder-Lynch minions in his gunsights and the Flynn conviction might just be tossed out due to prosecutorial misconduct. Supposedly Paul Manafort’s partner is negotiating a plea, but he’s charged with offenses derived from his influence-peddling business, with which Trump was not involved. (Rosenstein gave Mueller what amounted to a blank check).

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    @Art Deco

    This indictment is an admission by Mueller that there isn’t any there there.

    And what has that got to do with keeping this thing going so that the establishment can derail Trump's agenda or the price of tea in China for that matter?

  245. @MarkinLA
    @guest

    It isn't Trump in 2020 so much as it is Congress in 2018. We already see a lot of establishment Republicans not running in 2018 just when the Republicans have a chance to up their Senate majority. The donors are likely buying them off with promises of well paying do-nothing jobs in the private sector and the thought of being forced to do what their constituents want makes them want to vomit.

    Trey Gowdy seems to be the example.

    Don't underestimate the stupidity of the American voter. My Dad believes every word of this nonsense.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Trey Gowdy seems to be the example.

    Gowdy’s a career prosecutor who has spent 80% of his life in South Carolina. His wife has a job in Spartanburg and never moved to DC. His children attended college in state. His family on both sides have history in South Carolina stretching deep into the 19th century. The smart money says he’s hired by a firm in Greenville or Spartanburg.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    @Art Deco

    He also barked out some nonsense about doing more good by leaving Congress, just when we need all the Republicans (even if they stink) we can get. His position on the Russian "meddling" is so close to Mueller's that I suspect Mueller wrote it for him.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  246. @PhysicistDave
    @PhysicistDave

    Incidentally, I may have implied that the original was in Russian -- it's actually Ukrainian, though as someone who studied Russian, I consider Ukrainian just a Russian dialect! (Ukrainians do not agree -- except perhaps for those who live in the Donbass.)

    Replies: @Jack D

    There is no bright line between a dialect and a language. Are Italian and Spanish languages or are they just Latin dialects? The old saying is that “a language is a dialect with an army and a navy” so I guess by that definition Ukrainian is a language nowadays.

    Russian and Ukrainian have enough in common for most Russian speakers to get a pretty good gist of something spoken or written in Ukrainian if not every single word (the other way around is not a fair test because most Ukrainians have studied Russian). Once you get used to the systemic vowel and consonant swaps between the languages (h for g), it’s even easier to understand. For people living near the border the two languages shade into each other even more. But that doesn’t mean that they are not separate languages any more than Spanish and Portuguese are not separate languages.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Jack D

    Are there any people who are certain or militant about the distinctness of Ukrainian who do not also hate Russia? Similarly almost everyone I have met who sees Ukrainian as a dialect of Russian also sees the Ukraine either as a glorified province of Russia or thoroughly within its orbit. There is no objectivity. The clearest dispute of this kind is Tibet, because Tibetan shares nothing with Mandarin.

    Replies: @Jack D, @PhysicistDave

  247. @Jack D
    @PhysicistDave

    There is no bright line between a dialect and a language. Are Italian and Spanish languages or are they just Latin dialects? The old saying is that "a language is a dialect with an army and a navy" so I guess by that definition Ukrainian is a language nowadays.

    Russian and Ukrainian have enough in common for most Russian speakers to get a pretty good gist of something spoken or written in Ukrainian if not every single word (the other way around is not a fair test because most Ukrainians have studied Russian). Once you get used to the systemic vowel and consonant swaps between the languages (h for g), it's even easier to understand. For people living near the border the two languages shade into each other even more. But that doesn't mean that they are not separate languages any more than Spanish and Portuguese are not separate languages.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Are there any people who are certain or militant about the distinctness of Ukrainian who do not also hate Russia? Similarly almost everyone I have met who sees Ukrainian as a dialect of Russian also sees the Ukraine either as a glorified province of Russia or thoroughly within its orbit. There is no objectivity. The clearest dispute of this kind is Tibet, because Tibetan shares nothing with Mandarin.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @J.Ross

    There has to be a political component to this because scientifically there is not a bright line between languages vs dialects any more than there is a bright line between races. All a scientist can do is tell you the degree of similarity between the two languages/dialects. 1.0 means 100% overlap and 0.0 means no overlap in vocabulary

    https://www.duolingo.com/comment/9584000/Lexical-similarity-extent-of-languages

    The similarity between Russian and Ukrainian is less than that between Spanish and Portuguese but most laymen would not say that Spanish and Portuguese are the same language.

    , @PhysicistDave
    @J.Ross

    J. Ross asked:


    Are there any people who are certain or militant about the distinctness of Ukrainian who do not also hate Russia?
     
    About eight years ago I was acquainted with a woman who had immigrated from Ukraine. She said that when she went back home and talked to family, they accused her of speaking Russian when she thought she was speaking Ukrainian.

    She explained that since Ukraine became independent, there has been a systematic effort to purge Ukrainian of supposedly "Russian" words and substitute "true" Ukrainian words.

    Of course, she was not a linguist, so I have no idea if this new version of Ukrainian was really a reversion to a pre-Soviet version of Ukrainian or if it was a purely po0litical effort to make Ukrainian more distinct from Russian.

    In any case, she found it very annoying.

    Her implication was that Russian and Ukrainian had been mutually intelligible but were becoming less so for political reasons post-independence.

    By the way, the main way I can recognize written Ukrainian is that it has a letter written like the English "i", which Russian does not have -- it was eliminated from the Russian alphabet in the 1917-18 reform of the alphabet. Otherwise, Ukrainian looks like Russian to me (though my Russian is now far too rusty to read Russian with any degree of fluency).

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Jack D

  248. @Art Deco
    @guest

    Try all Muslim countries. That was one of our major strategies during the Cold War. Traditional Islamicists were natural enemies of the socialists and social democrats favored by Moscow.

    The Soviets had no particular affinity for social democrats and there were no social democratic parties to speak of in the Muslim world, though a case could be made for the Republican People's Party in Turkey. I doubt you could demonstrate that the CIA was subsidizing the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, or the National Salvation Party in Turkey, or Jamaat-e-Islami in Pakistan.

    Replies: @Jack D

    It’s hard to call the Moscow backed parties “social democrats” – the Communists had no interest in democracy except as a means to taking power – after that, there was no need to hold (fair) elections. But, the Moscow backed parties WERE modernizers. When the Soviets had influence in Afghanistan, women were not wearing burkas. In Kabul, at least, they were wearing miniskirts and attending university. We were the ones backing the Neanderthals with the beards and the jihad stuff.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Jack D

    This is largely true but Tariq Ali has a good summary claiming that the Soviets never had and never wanted cultural influence in Afghanistan, and what secularism existed there was the result of local leaders whom the Soviets could not properly control (the Russians were actually happy with an Afghan divine-right monarchy and resented having to help build Communism).
    https://www.lrb.co.uk/v33/n12/tariq-ali/andropov-was-right

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    Again, it was King Zahir Shah's cousin / prime minister Mohammed Daud who promoted an end to veiling (beginning in 1959).

  249. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @scrivener3


    (Funny how “the establishment” now includes college students and young people.)
     
    Right! Because college students and young people are never recruited to be the minions of the moneyed interests, nor the Leftists polluting our political discourse with the latest appeal to lemming sentimentality. Yep, you cannot deceive the omniscience of college students and young people. No you can't. Nope.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    This. Enormous good could be done by forcing Georgetown grads to self-identify with some symbol. Georgetown is pretty much the academy of the federal bureaucracy.

  250. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    It's hard to call the Moscow backed parties "social democrats" - the Communists had no interest in democracy except as a means to taking power - after that, there was no need to hold (fair) elections. But, the Moscow backed parties WERE modernizers. When the Soviets had influence in Afghanistan, women were not wearing burkas. In Kabul, at least, they were wearing miniskirts and attending university. We were the ones backing the Neanderthals with the beards and the jihad stuff.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Art Deco

    This is largely true but Tariq Ali has a good summary claiming that the Soviets never had and never wanted cultural influence in Afghanistan, and what secularism existed there was the result of local leaders whom the Soviets could not properly control (the Russians were actually happy with an Afghan divine-right monarchy and resented having to help build Communism).
    https://www.lrb.co.uk/v33/n12/tariq-ali/andropov-was-right

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @J.Ross

    Tarik Ali is not exactly an unimpeachable source - you really have to take what he says with a grain of salt. In general, truth in Afghanistan is in short supply (as are kings who die in their bed of old age). Afghans are fluent liars - they are the Mozarts of lying. If they had Olympic events in lying, the Afghans would win gold, silver and bronze (OK, maybe the Pakis would take the bronze). So don't read what Ali writes as THE truth but as one version of the truth. Maybe Amin was or was not a CIA agent. Maybe there was or was not an assassination attempt on Amin's life. Maybe it was a real assassination attempt fomented by Taraki or maybe it was a false flag operation by Amin himself so he had an excuse to kill Taraki. It depends on who you ask - each one will swear on a stack of Korans that his version is the absolute truth and the other is a bunch of lies. Your chances of really get to the bottom of this are about as good as your chances of getting a really good deal on a rug.

    BUT, generally speaking, Afghanistan was sort of a mirror image of our adventure in Vietnam - a futile attempt to prop up a regime that was lacking in the support of its own people. Ali is right about that.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  251. @J.Ross
    @Jack D

    This is largely true but Tariq Ali has a good summary claiming that the Soviets never had and never wanted cultural influence in Afghanistan, and what secularism existed there was the result of local leaders whom the Soviets could not properly control (the Russians were actually happy with an Afghan divine-right monarchy and resented having to help build Communism).
    https://www.lrb.co.uk/v33/n12/tariq-ali/andropov-was-right

    Replies: @Jack D

    Tarik Ali is not exactly an unimpeachable source – you really have to take what he says with a grain of salt. In general, truth in Afghanistan is in short supply (as are kings who die in their bed of old age). Afghans are fluent liars – they are the Mozarts of lying. If they had Olympic events in lying, the Afghans would win gold, silver and bronze (OK, maybe the Pakis would take the bronze). So don’t read what Ali writes as THE truth but as one version of the truth. Maybe Amin was or was not a CIA agent. Maybe there was or was not an assassination attempt on Amin’s life. Maybe it was a real assassination attempt fomented by Taraki or maybe it was a false flag operation by Amin himself so he had an excuse to kill Taraki. It depends on who you ask – each one will swear on a stack of Korans that his version is the absolute truth and the other is a bunch of lies. Your chances of really get to the bottom of this are about as good as your chances of getting a really good deal on a rug.

    BUT, generally speaking, Afghanistan was sort of a mirror image of our adventure in Vietnam – a futile attempt to prop up a regime that was lacking in the support of its own people. Ali is right about that.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Jack D

    So why were the Soviets okay with a divine right monarchy apart from the reasons Ali gives?

    Replies: @Jack D

  252. @J.Ross
    @Jack D

    Are there any people who are certain or militant about the distinctness of Ukrainian who do not also hate Russia? Similarly almost everyone I have met who sees Ukrainian as a dialect of Russian also sees the Ukraine either as a glorified province of Russia or thoroughly within its orbit. There is no objectivity. The clearest dispute of this kind is Tibet, because Tibetan shares nothing with Mandarin.

    Replies: @Jack D, @PhysicistDave

    There has to be a political component to this because scientifically there is not a bright line between languages vs dialects any more than there is a bright line between races. All a scientist can do is tell you the degree of similarity between the two languages/dialects. 1.0 means 100% overlap and 0.0 means no overlap in vocabulary

    https://www.duolingo.com/comment/9584000/Lexical-similarity-extent-of-languages

    The similarity between Russian and Ukrainian is less than that between Spanish and Portuguese but most laymen would not say that Spanish and Portuguese are the same language.

  253. @Art Deco
    @MarkinLA

    so this farce will continue as long as Mueller want it to.

    Disagree. This indictment is an admission by Mueller that there isn't any there there. The Inspector-General has various Holder-Lynch minions in his gunsights and the Flynn conviction might just be tossed out due to prosecutorial misconduct. Supposedly Paul Manafort's partner is negotiating a plea, but he's charged with offenses derived from his influence-peddling business, with which Trump was not involved. (Rosenstein gave Mueller what amounted to a blank check).

    Replies: @MarkinLA

    This indictment is an admission by Mueller that there isn’t any there there.

    And what has that got to do with keeping this thing going so that the establishment can derail Trump’s agenda or the price of tea in China for that matter?

  254. @Art Deco
    @MarkinLA

    Trey Gowdy seems to be the example.

    Gowdy's a career prosecutor who has spent 80% of his life in South Carolina. His wife has a job in Spartanburg and never moved to DC. His children attended college in state. His family on both sides have history in South Carolina stretching deep into the 19th century. The smart money says he's hired by a firm in Greenville or Spartanburg.

    Replies: @MarkinLA

    He also barked out some nonsense about doing more good by leaving Congress, just when we need all the Republicans (even if they stink) we can get. His position on the Russian “meddling” is so close to Mueller’s that I suspect Mueller wrote it for him.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @MarkinLA

    His district is a safe seat for Republicans, so no loss there. Unlike Marco Rubio, the man was a working lawyer for 20-odd years and shows no evidence of intellectual deficits. "More good" can be interpreted as 'this place is a total waste of my time and that of anyone who might have something else to do with their life'. Not everyone is super-ambitious (see Ted Cruz) and not everyone wants to make Washington their life (see Mitch McConnell, Pat Roberts and Richard Lugar). He is rather oddly indulgent of Mueller (which I'd interpret as a professional courtesy one prosecutor extends to another).

  255. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    It's hard to call the Moscow backed parties "social democrats" - the Communists had no interest in democracy except as a means to taking power - after that, there was no need to hold (fair) elections. But, the Moscow backed parties WERE modernizers. When the Soviets had influence in Afghanistan, women were not wearing burkas. In Kabul, at least, they were wearing miniskirts and attending university. We were the ones backing the Neanderthals with the beards and the jihad stuff.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Art Deco

    Again, it was King Zahir Shah’s cousin / prime minister Mohammed Daud who promoted an end to veiling (beginning in 1959).

  256. @Henry's Cat
    @Buffalo Joe

    I'm not Henry. He just feeds and shelters me.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Reg Cæsar

    I’m not Henry. He just feeds and shelters me.

    And neuters?

  257. @Jack D
    @J.Ross

    Tarik Ali is not exactly an unimpeachable source - you really have to take what he says with a grain of salt. In general, truth in Afghanistan is in short supply (as are kings who die in their bed of old age). Afghans are fluent liars - they are the Mozarts of lying. If they had Olympic events in lying, the Afghans would win gold, silver and bronze (OK, maybe the Pakis would take the bronze). So don't read what Ali writes as THE truth but as one version of the truth. Maybe Amin was or was not a CIA agent. Maybe there was or was not an assassination attempt on Amin's life. Maybe it was a real assassination attempt fomented by Taraki or maybe it was a false flag operation by Amin himself so he had an excuse to kill Taraki. It depends on who you ask - each one will swear on a stack of Korans that his version is the absolute truth and the other is a bunch of lies. Your chances of really get to the bottom of this are about as good as your chances of getting a really good deal on a rug.

    BUT, generally speaking, Afghanistan was sort of a mirror image of our adventure in Vietnam - a futile attempt to prop up a regime that was lacking in the support of its own people. Ali is right about that.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    So why were the Soviets okay with a divine right monarchy apart from the reasons Ali gives?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @J.Ross

    For the same reason that we are OK backing divine right monarchs (the House of Saud for one) despite our own supposed belief in democracy as a core principle. He may be a bastard but at least he is OUR bastard.

    Pragmatically, the Soviets probably felt that running the country with a Soviet installed puppet Communist government similar to those that they installed in the 'stans, all over Eastern Europe (and in N. Korea, etc.) was, in this case, more trouble than it was worth (and later events proved them right). Cuba cost the Soviets a vast amount of treasure to keep Castro's misruled economy afloat but at least they got a Soviet outpost right at America's doorstep out of it. Ideologically, they could rationalize keeping the King by saying that Afghanistan had not yet reached the stage of development where the workers were ready to overthrow the capitalists.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  258. @El Dato
    @nebulafox

    This.

    Also, FWIW:

    https://blog.hackerrank.com/which-country-would-win-in-the-programming-olympics/

    Ok, back to Haskell...

    Replies: @nebulafox

    I’m trying to pick up Haskell myself. Seems like it has a bunch of interesting academic applications, especially with category theory, but not many industrial ones yet.

    What are you using it for? If you ever would like someone to hack on something cool with… ah, no way of PMing each other on Unz, I suppose.

  259. @J.Ross
    @Jack D

    Are there any people who are certain or militant about the distinctness of Ukrainian who do not also hate Russia? Similarly almost everyone I have met who sees Ukrainian as a dialect of Russian also sees the Ukraine either as a glorified province of Russia or thoroughly within its orbit. There is no objectivity. The clearest dispute of this kind is Tibet, because Tibetan shares nothing with Mandarin.

    Replies: @Jack D, @PhysicistDave

    J. Ross asked:

    Are there any people who are certain or militant about the distinctness of Ukrainian who do not also hate Russia?

    About eight years ago I was acquainted with a woman who had immigrated from Ukraine. She said that when she went back home and talked to family, they accused her of speaking Russian when she thought she was speaking Ukrainian.

    She explained that since Ukraine became independent, there has been a systematic effort to purge Ukrainian of supposedly “Russian” words and substitute “true” Ukrainian words.

    Of course, she was not a linguist, so I have no idea if this new version of Ukrainian was really a reversion to a pre-Soviet version of Ukrainian or if it was a purely po0litical effort to make Ukrainian more distinct from Russian.

    In any case, she found it very annoying.

    Her implication was that Russian and Ukrainian had been mutually intelligible but were becoming less so for political reasons post-independence.

    By the way, the main way I can recognize written Ukrainian is that it has a letter written like the English “i”, which Russian does not have — it was eliminated from the Russian alphabet in the 1917-18 reform of the alphabet. Otherwise, Ukrainian looks like Russian to me (though my Russian is now far too rusty to read Russian with any degree of fluency).

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @PhysicistDave

    In addition to the Turkish-style dotted i, Ukrainian also retains a crossed hard sign -- which it got from Russian, but which Russians dropped. And the political ramping-up of distinctions recalls the way Serbian and Croat tried to make themselves more different through vocabulary, with the result that Trujillo and Milosevic got caught using the "wrong" words in public statements. And of course until very recently Ukrainians certainly would learn to speak and read Russian in school. Historically they're the same people, starting in Ukraine, then with the power and cultural center moving north after the Mongol attacks, and Ukraine, the former heartland, becoming "the borderlands." In movies and cartoons the Ukrainian is distinguished with a mustache (and, very cartoonishly, a ponytail on an otherwise shaved head).
    I have met something of a range. One guy was an artist-activist promoting an agitprop movie encouraging violence against Russian collaborators: he was of the opinion that the languages were perfectly distinct and his proof was well just ask any Ukrainian. There was also a girl from Kharkov (the Russophilic East) who saw no difference, and a pragmatic middle-aged woman who wanted Ukraine to get the best deal it could get but understood it will always fall well within the Russian equivalent of the Monroe doctrine, which is how I see it. The people who talk about Ukraine joining the EU or NATO are either not serious or they want a war.

    , @Jack D
    @PhysicistDave

    Ukrainian as spoken in the Western regions (formerly Poland and before that Austria-Hungary) was always different than the Russified Ukrainian spoke to the East. Most European languages (most languages period) existed in the past not as single languages but as dialects that would gradually shift on a continuum from village to village until you reached the heartland of one dialect/language or the other. In the 19th century a lot of these languages were supposedly standardized into 1 preferred form that was supposed to be taught in the schools and written as "literature" but the reality on the ground is that a lot of the local dialects still persisted, mainly in oral form. People also do "code shifting" - they speak one way at home and to their peers and a different way in more formal settings.

  260. @PhysicistDave
    @J.Ross

    J. Ross asked:


    Are there any people who are certain or militant about the distinctness of Ukrainian who do not also hate Russia?
     
    About eight years ago I was acquainted with a woman who had immigrated from Ukraine. She said that when she went back home and talked to family, they accused her of speaking Russian when she thought she was speaking Ukrainian.

    She explained that since Ukraine became independent, there has been a systematic effort to purge Ukrainian of supposedly "Russian" words and substitute "true" Ukrainian words.

    Of course, she was not a linguist, so I have no idea if this new version of Ukrainian was really a reversion to a pre-Soviet version of Ukrainian or if it was a purely po0litical effort to make Ukrainian more distinct from Russian.

    In any case, she found it very annoying.

    Her implication was that Russian and Ukrainian had been mutually intelligible but were becoming less so for political reasons post-independence.

    By the way, the main way I can recognize written Ukrainian is that it has a letter written like the English "i", which Russian does not have -- it was eliminated from the Russian alphabet in the 1917-18 reform of the alphabet. Otherwise, Ukrainian looks like Russian to me (though my Russian is now far too rusty to read Russian with any degree of fluency).

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Jack D

    In addition to the Turkish-style dotted i, Ukrainian also retains a crossed hard sign — which it got from Russian, but which Russians dropped. And the political ramping-up of distinctions recalls the way Serbian and Croat tried to make themselves more different through vocabulary, with the result that Trujillo and Milosevic got caught using the “wrong” words in public statements. And of course until very recently Ukrainians certainly would learn to speak and read Russian in school. Historically they’re the same people, starting in Ukraine, then with the power and cultural center moving north after the Mongol attacks, and Ukraine, the former heartland, becoming “the borderlands.” In movies and cartoons the Ukrainian is distinguished with a mustache (and, very cartoonishly, a ponytail on an otherwise shaved head).
    I have met something of a range. One guy was an artist-activist promoting an agitprop movie encouraging violence against Russian collaborators: he was of the opinion that the languages were perfectly distinct and his proof was well just ask any Ukrainian. There was also a girl from Kharkov (the Russophilic East) who saw no difference, and a pragmatic middle-aged woman who wanted Ukraine to get the best deal it could get but understood it will always fall well within the Russian equivalent of the Monroe doctrine, which is how I see it. The people who talk about Ukraine joining the EU or NATO are either not serious or they want a war.

  261. @MarkinLA
    @Art Deco

    He also barked out some nonsense about doing more good by leaving Congress, just when we need all the Republicans (even if they stink) we can get. His position on the Russian "meddling" is so close to Mueller's that I suspect Mueller wrote it for him.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    His district is a safe seat for Republicans, so no loss there. Unlike Marco Rubio, the man was a working lawyer for 20-odd years and shows no evidence of intellectual deficits. “More good” can be interpreted as ‘this place is a total waste of my time and that of anyone who might have something else to do with their life’. Not everyone is super-ambitious (see Ted Cruz) and not everyone wants to make Washington their life (see Mitch McConnell, Pat Roberts and Richard Lugar). He is rather oddly indulgent of Mueller (which I’d interpret as a professional courtesy one prosecutor extends to another).

  262. @J.Ross
    @Jack D

    So why were the Soviets okay with a divine right monarchy apart from the reasons Ali gives?

    Replies: @Jack D

    For the same reason that we are OK backing divine right monarchs (the House of Saud for one) despite our own supposed belief in democracy as a core principle. He may be a bastard but at least he is OUR bastard.

    Pragmatically, the Soviets probably felt that running the country with a Soviet installed puppet Communist government similar to those that they installed in the ‘stans, all over Eastern Europe (and in N. Korea, etc.) was, in this case, more trouble than it was worth (and later events proved them right). Cuba cost the Soviets a vast amount of treasure to keep Castro’s misruled economy afloat but at least they got a Soviet outpost right at America’s doorstep out of it. Ideologically, they could rationalize keeping the King by saying that Afghanistan had not yet reached the stage of development where the workers were ready to overthrow the capitalists.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    For the same reason that we are OK backing divine right monarchs (the House of Saud for one) despite our own supposed belief in democracy as a core principle. He may be a bastard but at least he is OUR bastard.

    None of the ruling families on the Gulf have held their thrones for < 180 years. The House of Saud has been prominent in the Arabian peninsula since the early 19th century and has ruled its current set of territories since 1924. It's not disruptive and the only military action it has undertaken in the last 90-odd years has been in countries on its border suffering insurgencies. Its institutions, law codes, and state ideology have come about due to incremental and organic development. The Arab world and adjacent areas is not Latin America and efforts by domestic elites to institute electoral institutions have resulted in disasters time and again. The House of Saud isn't OUR bastard. The House of Saud has been a power since the time of the Ottomans. Neither have our dealings with them been remarkable. Prior to 1990 they consisted of ordinary diplomatic and trade relations supplemented with some arms sales. Since 1990, we have had a modest garrison fitfully present there.

  263. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Then they should have referred it to the local police, but they didn't do that either. But you can't sneeze without committing a Federal crime so they had plenty of jurisdiction if they wanted to.

    Someone called in a detailed tip (in retrospect a very good tip) on Cruz and the FBI completely dropped the ball - they did nothing with it. It disappeared into the maw of the bureaucracy and no attempt was made to follow up. The agency says it doesn't have the resources to pursue these leads but apparently they do have the resources to pursue political witch hunts and indict people in foreign countries with whom we have no extradition treaty and zero prospect of ever arresting. Which is a better use of resources?

    This is an old game with the FBI - Hoover spent 50 years going after Communists while showing zero interest in organized crime, which in those days was a serious problem. Hoover even denied that the Mafia even existed. One theory was that the Mob had evidence of Hoover's gayness and made a deal with him to keep it quiet if he laid off of them. Regardless, the point is that law enforcement (especially Federal law enforcement which to a large extent is duplicative of state laws) is a very selective thing - we have lots and lots of laws so the authorities always pick and choose which laws they wish to spend their resources on based on the political winds and (even more so) on their own agendas.

    Replies: @Alden, @TWS

    Hoover knew that if you fight the Dragon long enough, you risk becoming the Dragon. Look at the DEA. No one would mistake them for above board and honest.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @TWS

    Look at the DEA. No one would mistake them for above board and honest.

    I take it your nephew got busted.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  264. @PhysicistDave
    @J.Ross

    J. Ross asked:


    Are there any people who are certain or militant about the distinctness of Ukrainian who do not also hate Russia?
     
    About eight years ago I was acquainted with a woman who had immigrated from Ukraine. She said that when she went back home and talked to family, they accused her of speaking Russian when she thought she was speaking Ukrainian.

    She explained that since Ukraine became independent, there has been a systematic effort to purge Ukrainian of supposedly "Russian" words and substitute "true" Ukrainian words.

    Of course, she was not a linguist, so I have no idea if this new version of Ukrainian was really a reversion to a pre-Soviet version of Ukrainian or if it was a purely po0litical effort to make Ukrainian more distinct from Russian.

    In any case, she found it very annoying.

    Her implication was that Russian and Ukrainian had been mutually intelligible but were becoming less so for political reasons post-independence.

    By the way, the main way I can recognize written Ukrainian is that it has a letter written like the English "i", which Russian does not have -- it was eliminated from the Russian alphabet in the 1917-18 reform of the alphabet. Otherwise, Ukrainian looks like Russian to me (though my Russian is now far too rusty to read Russian with any degree of fluency).

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Jack D

    Ukrainian as spoken in the Western regions (formerly Poland and before that Austria-Hungary) was always different than the Russified Ukrainian spoke to the East. Most European languages (most languages period) existed in the past not as single languages but as dialects that would gradually shift on a continuum from village to village until you reached the heartland of one dialect/language or the other. In the 19th century a lot of these languages were supposedly standardized into 1 preferred form that was supposed to be taught in the schools and written as “literature” but the reality on the ground is that a lot of the local dialects still persisted, mainly in oral form. People also do “code shifting” – they speak one way at home and to their peers and a different way in more formal settings.

  265. @Jack D
    @J.Ross

    For the same reason that we are OK backing divine right monarchs (the House of Saud for one) despite our own supposed belief in democracy as a core principle. He may be a bastard but at least he is OUR bastard.

    Pragmatically, the Soviets probably felt that running the country with a Soviet installed puppet Communist government similar to those that they installed in the 'stans, all over Eastern Europe (and in N. Korea, etc.) was, in this case, more trouble than it was worth (and later events proved them right). Cuba cost the Soviets a vast amount of treasure to keep Castro's misruled economy afloat but at least they got a Soviet outpost right at America's doorstep out of it. Ideologically, they could rationalize keeping the King by saying that Afghanistan had not yet reached the stage of development where the workers were ready to overthrow the capitalists.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    For the same reason that we are OK backing divine right monarchs (the House of Saud for one) despite our own supposed belief in democracy as a core principle. He may be a bastard but at least he is OUR bastard.

    None of the ruling families on the Gulf have held their thrones for < 180 years. The House of Saud has been prominent in the Arabian peninsula since the early 19th century and has ruled its current set of territories since 1924. It's not disruptive and the only military action it has undertaken in the last 90-odd years has been in countries on its border suffering insurgencies. Its institutions, law codes, and state ideology have come about due to incremental and organic development. The Arab world and adjacent areas is not Latin America and efforts by domestic elites to institute electoral institutions have resulted in disasters time and again. The House of Saud isn't OUR bastard. The House of Saud has been a power since the time of the Ottomans. Neither have our dealings with them been remarkable. Prior to 1990 they consisted of ordinary diplomatic and trade relations supplemented with some arms sales. Since 1990, we have had a modest garrison fitfully present there.

  266. @TWS
    @Jack D

    Hoover knew that if you fight the Dragon long enough, you risk becoming the Dragon. Look at the DEA. No one would mistake them for above board and honest.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Look at the DEA. No one would mistake them for above board and honest.

    I take it your nephew got busted.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco


    I take it your nephew got busted.
     
    Google "DEA Corruption" and you'll find any number of cases involving bad DEA agents, asshole.
  267. Art the Decadent wrote to TWS:

    [TWS]Look at the DEA. No one would mistake them for above board and honest.

    {Decadent]I take it your nephew got busted.

    Typical of our boy Artie to engage in Freudian projection and assume that others have done the same bad things Artie has done.

    The Decadent one cannot imagine that anyone can actually take a stand on principle, because, after all, Art himself really never does.

    Anyone want to wager whether Artie is part of the Russian troll farm?

  268. Back to the topic of Mueller and his little band of thugs: here is an interesting take, based on a recent WSJ report (link to WSJ provided therein), on what was really going on in the Russian troll farm. It may have been as much a commercial operation as a political one.

    Putting together the WSJ article, the Radio Svoboda report to which I linked above, and the Mueller indictment, it seems likely that the troll farm was “multi-purpose,” commercial, political, etc., all wrapped into one. An interesting “business model.”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @PhysicistDave

    My guess is that the rich Russian caterer who runs the notorious "troll farm" runs it much like Jeff Bezos runs his Washington Post, to make money ideally, but also to cause trouble for people he doesn't like.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

  269. @PhysicistDave
    Back to the topic of Mueller and his little band of thugs: here is an interesting take, based on a recent WSJ report (link to WSJ provided therein), on what was really going on in the Russian troll farm. It may have been as much a commercial operation as a political one.

    Putting together the WSJ article, the Radio Svoboda report to which I linked above, and the Mueller indictment, it seems likely that the troll farm was "multi-purpose," commercial, political, etc., all wrapped into one. An interesting "business model."

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    My guess is that the rich Russian caterer who runs the notorious “troll farm” runs it much like Jeff Bezos runs his Washington Post, to make money ideally, but also to cause trouble for people he doesn’t like.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @Steve Sailer

    Steve Sailer wrote to me:


    My guess is that the rich Russian caterer who runs the notorious “troll farm” runs it much like Jeff Bezos runs his Washington Post, to make money ideally, but also to cause trouble for people he doesn’t like.
     
    Yeah, I think so. And, of course, to help people he does like, such as Putin.
  270. @Steve Sailer
    @PhysicistDave

    My guess is that the rich Russian caterer who runs the notorious "troll farm" runs it much like Jeff Bezos runs his Washington Post, to make money ideally, but also to cause trouble for people he doesn't like.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    Steve Sailer wrote to me:

    My guess is that the rich Russian caterer who runs the notorious “troll farm” runs it much like Jeff Bezos runs his Washington Post, to make money ideally, but also to cause trouble for people he doesn’t like.

    Yeah, I think so. And, of course, to help people he does like, such as Putin.

  271. Here is the WSJ article (behind a paywall, unfortunately; we have a subscription).

    This guy Prigozhin seems to be quite a character, in an Al Capone sort of way. I doubt anyone could ever untangle exactly to what degree his operations and his sources of funding are private vs. governmental: one of his talents seems to be lack of transparency.

    Reminds me of Cheney and Halliburton or, even better, Clinton and the Clinton Foundation, Uranium One, etc.

    Isn’t it nice to see that the USA and Russia are indeed “converging” on a common socioeconomic system just as social scientists predicted back in the ’60s: both countries are now as crooked as all hell.

    But of course, there is a huge difference: the USA would never, ever intervene in the internal elections of other countries (aside from Italy, Israel, Iran, Italy again, Russia, Ukraine, Haiti, Serbia, the UK (Brexit), Egypt……………. and maybe a couple hundred others I have forgotten).

  272. @Art Deco
    @TWS

    Look at the DEA. No one would mistake them for above board and honest.

    I take it your nephew got busted.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    I take it your nephew got busted.

    Google “DEA Corruption” and you’ll find any number of cases involving bad DEA agents, asshole.

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