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From USA Today, we learn of another way that whites are racist: by not doing those things often enough that would provoke other people to murder them:

Young Black men and teens are killed by guns 20 times more than their white counterparts, CDC data shows

Nada Hassanein
USA TODAY

Young Black men and teens made up more than a third of firearm homicide victims in the USA in 2019, one of several disparities revealed in a review of gun mortality data released Tuesday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The analysis, titled “A Public Health Crisis in the Making,” found that although Black men and boys ages 15 to 34 make up just 2% of the nation’s population, they were among 37% of gun homicides that year.

That’s 20 times higher than white males of the same age group.

The CDC’s homicide stats do a better job of straightening out the race/ethnicity of victims than do the FBI’s stats, in which 93% of Hispanics are lumped in with whites. But the CDC totally sidesteps the politically incorrect topic of who is pulling the trigger in those homicides.

Of all reported firearm homicides in 2019, more than half of victims were Black men, according to the study spearheaded by the Educational Fund to Stop Gun Violence and the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence. Sixty-three percent of male victims were Black.

The contrast is even more stark when the rates were compared with white people: Across all ages, Black men were nearly 14 times more likely to die in a firearm homicide than white men, and eight times more likely to die in a firearm homicide than the general population, including women.

Whites just aren’t doing their fair share for equity in getting themselves shot enough.

Black women and girls are also at higher risk. Black females had the highest risk of being killed by a firearm than females of any other race or ethnicity, and they were four times more likely to be victims than white females.

Other statoids from the report:

There was a 66x difference in risk of firearm homicide between Black males and Asian females (the highest and lowest risk demographics, respectively). …

Firearm Homicide Trends, 2000-2019

• More than 14,000 people were killed by firearm homicide in 2019, capping two decades during which more than 200,000 lives were lost to firearm homicide, more Americans than were lost in World War I and Vietnam combined.

• After years of decline (from 2006-2011), the firearm homicide rate fluctuated before an
astronomical rise from 2014 to 2015.

• Over the last 20 years, the most recent four years have been the deadliest. The highest firearm homicide rate occurred in 2017, followed by 2016, 2019, 2018, and 2006.

• The largest single-year increase in the firearm homicide rate was from 2014 to 2015, when the rate increased 18%. Another substantial jump in the firearm homicide rate occurred the following year, from 2015 to 2016, when the rate increased 11%.

It’s almost as if in the two years after Ferguson (August 2014) and the beginning of the First BLM ERA, the media and the Obama Administration were, in effect, egging blacks on to shoot each other in even higher numbers than normal during the first half of the 2010s.

• The lowest firearm homicide rate over the last 20 years was in 2014, three years prior to the peak.

In other words, The Establishment got complacent and decided the time for law and order was no longer needed, what was now needed was to stir up black anger and resentment.

• The next lowest firearm homicide rates occurred in 2011, 2013, 2010, and 2000.

• The increase from the lowest to highest firearm homicide rate (occurring in 2014 and 2017,
respectively) was 31%.

I don’t see one word in the report or the USA Today write-up about the demographics of the homicide victims’ victimizers. But here’s an informative graph if you can decode the intentionally confusing color coding (whites are black, blacks are pink, etc.):

This graph might almost give a hint why cops are more likely to profile young black men more than young white men: if young blacks on average are 20x more likely than young whites to be shot dead, then they are at least 20x more likely to shoot somebody dead.

 
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  1. The obvious solution is to put a great big target on the back of every white male in our society. What’s that? Mission Accomplished? Oh, I see. If only a certain cohort had ever bothered with target practice. Sigh. Yet another dilemma.

    Black females had the highest risk of being killed by a firearm than females of any other race

    Again, it’s those racist firearms that are behind all this carnage.

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Polistra

    Okay Sailer. Six hours, time to set the comments free.

    , @Hannah Katz
    @Polistra

    Looking at the graphs, it looks like maybe the legal age for purchasing or possessing firearms should be 40 years old for blacks, Hispanics and Native Americans, in order to protect those communities. It is for their own good. Whites and Asians can remain with the same laws as they clearly do not pose much of a threat to anyone, statistically. Of course this does not disarm the outlaws, but then again, they would continue to possess guns no matter what the laws say.

    , @Alice in Wonderland
    @Polistra

    Nah, it's those racist black males...




    There was a 66x difference in risk of firearm homicide between Black males and Asian females (the highest and lowest risk demographics, respectively). …
     
    ... and just proximity to black males.

    Who is in closest proximity to black males?

    black males

    Who is farthest from black males?

    apparently Asian females, about 66x farther away.

    Replies: @Luzzatto

  2. As you’ve pointed out Steve, guns=whites, while crime=blacks. This is a story about guns.
    And will the media ever admit that some of the lives lost are good riddance?

    • Replies: @jo shmo
    @Redneck farmer



    And will the media ever admit that some of the lives lost are good riddance?
     
    only to themselves.

    Which is why they also promote policies that will exacerbate the situation of blacks killing blacks and criminals killing criminals.
    , @Kibernetika
    @Redneck farmer

    And if you've ever confronted a guy pointing a firearm at you -- and lived to type about it -- patterns are noticed.

  3. ‘Affair of Honour.

    ‘We have just heard the particulars of a meeting which took place on Six Mile Island, on Tuesday, between two young bloods of our city: Samuel Thurston, aged fifteen, and William Hine, aged thirteen years. They were attended by young gentlemen of the same age. The weapons used on the occasion, were a couple of Dickson’s best rifles; the distance, thirty yards. They took one fire, without any damage being sustained by either party, except the ball of Thurston’s gun passing through the crown of Hine’s hat. Through the intercession of the Board of Honour, the challenge was withdrawn, and the difference amicably adjusted.’

    The above is a quotation from Charles Dickens American notes of 1842. It is one of a series of descriptions of newspaper reports of men dueling with firearms, which was apparently all the rage at the time.

    It is interesting that conservative blacks seem to have continued the old traditions, while whites have not.

    Perhaps we need to bring back the Board of Honour, whatever that was.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @Jonathan Mason

    So what you're saying is those "murder for disrespect' happenings are a cultural appropriation?

    Damn, those white folks didn't invent anything good.

    Replies: @Icy Blast, @e.272

    , @Some Guy
    @Jonathan Mason

    The goal of dueling was not really to kill people the opponent though, it was to show that you were man enough to risk your life for your honor and good name. Drive-by shootings are cowardly, they wouldn't do at all.

    Anyway, don't those statistics disprove Ron Unz' claim that Hispanics aren't more criminal than whites adjusted for age?

    , @syonredux
    @Jonathan Mason

    The popularity of dueling among social elites in the 18th-early 19th centuries is fascinating. Weird how it was particularly popular in Britain with medical men and lawyers:


    By the 1780s, the values of the duel had spread into the broader and emerging society of gentlemen. Research shows that much the largest group of later duellists were military officers, followed by the young sons of the metropolitan elite (see Banks, A Polite Exchange of Bullets). Dueling was also popular for a time among doctors and, in particular, in the legal professions. Quantifying the number of duels in Britain is difficult, but there are about 1,000 attested between 1785 and 1845 with fatality rates at least 15% and probably somewhat higher.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duel#Great_Britain_and_Ireland

    Replies: @syonredux, @Mike Tre

    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Jonathan Mason


    It is one of a series of descriptions of newspaper reports of men dueling with firearms, which was apparently all the rage at the time.

    It is interesting that conservative blacks seem to have continued the old traditions, while whites have not.
     
    There's a big difference between nineteenth century affairs of honor and inept Negro thugs doing drive bys, i.e spraying a crowd with poorly aimed gunfire and more often than not missing their intended victim(s) while inflicting massive collateral damage on innocent bystanders.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Jonathan Mason


    The above is a quotation from Charles Dickens American notes of 1842. It is one of a series of descriptions of newspaper reports of men dueling with firearms, which was apparently all the rage at the time.

     

    Georgia outlawed pistols in 1837 for that very reason. The law stayed on the books for over a decade, until the state supreme court threw it out on federal constitutional issues. Their state constitution didn't include a right to keep and bear arms, unlike most states'.
  4. It’s too bad that police are not sufficiently funded, because a total defense to racism charges would be to stop-question-frisk more whites than blacks. In other words, police would profile and stop vast numbers of white and Asian pharmacists, accountants, electricians, and so on. The questioning could be quite perfunctory. “Where are you going? Oh, to the hospital to perform cardiac surgery? Well, OK you looked a little suspicious to me, but I’ll let you off with a warning this time. Bye, Doc.” Then stop the next possible white perp.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @SafeNow

    What seems to upset blacks the most is that they, like children, have to live in a much more authoritarian society than whites just to have a solid shot at having a functional society.

    And there is no way to square that circle. Either cops are going to have to be as trusting of blacks as they are of whites, and crime in black communities will continue to get worse, or whites will have to get used to being questioned and harassed by cops as often as blacks - an all the extra costs which go along with that.

    Replies: @Thomas, @Marty, @Polistra

    , @Thomas
    @SafeNow


    It’s too bad that police are not sufficiently funded, because a total defense to racism charges would be to stop-question-frisk more whites than blacks. In other words, police would profile and stop vast numbers of white and Asian pharmacists, accountants, electricians, and so on.
     
    You think your proposal is facetious. But it's been the subject of a book years ago by a prominent legal scholar and "critical theorist" at Columbia Law, who presented it entirely in earnest.

    https://www.amazon.com/Against-Prediction-Profiling-Punishing-Actuarial/dp/0226316149

    I assume you're not going to read the book, but he explains the thesis in this podcast. It's worth listening to, not for the argument itself, which is obviously ridiculous, but for a case study in how intellectual and academic sophistry can justify anything, no matter how daft.

    https://soundcloud.com/uchicagolaw/bernard-harcourt-against

    Replies: @bomag

  5. Young Blacks are insanely violent.

    Even the 6-8:1 ratio might understate the disparity between the 2 races.

    I wonder if there are any places in America in which young White men are scary enough to keep people indoors. Young White Scots-Irish in Appalachia and the rustbelt maybe? Perhaps some residual low-income Irish on the east coast?

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I wonder if there are any places in America in which young White men are scary enough to keep people indoors. Young White Scots-Irish in Appalachia and the rustbelt maybe? Perhaps some residual low-income Irish on the east coast?

    Such a place doesn't exist.

    Appalachia has some of the worst poverty but is very community oriented.

    Going outside is part of living there.

    This is of course goes against the lie taught in school that crime is merely a matter of economics.

    Criminologists don't actually argue this but liberals have taken it as fact.

  6. If I’m reading these numbers right, if 2019 numbers persist, a black male has a greater than 2% chance of being a gunshot homicide victim in his lifetime. That doesn’t include stabbings or the 2020 increase in homicides, of course.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @HWR

    St. Louis in 2020 had 80 homicides per 100,000 people. So that's like, say, 70 per 25,000 black men, or 0.28% per year. If you tried to live for 70 years in St. Louis as a black man, with the 2020 murder rate, you'd have 19.6% chance of being murdered.

    (OK, I'm doing this over-simplistically, I know there are better ways to calculate this.)

    Replies: @Wilkey

  7. @Jonathan Mason
    ‘Affair of Honour.

    ‘We have just heard the particulars of a meeting which took place on Six Mile Island, on Tuesday, between two young bloods of our city: Samuel Thurston, aged fifteen, and William Hine, aged thirteen years. They were attended by young gentlemen of the same age. The weapons used on the occasion, were a couple of Dickson’s best rifles; the distance, thirty yards. They took one fire, without any damage being sustained by either party, except the ball of Thurston’s gun passing through the crown of Hine’s hat. Through the intercession of the Board of Honour, the challenge was withdrawn, and the difference amicably adjusted.'

    The above is a quotation from Charles Dickens American notes of 1842. It is one of a series of descriptions of newspaper reports of men dueling with firearms, which was apparently all the rage at the time.

    It is interesting that conservative blacks seem to have continued the old traditions, while whites have not.

    Perhaps we need to bring back the Board of Honour, whatever that was.

    Replies: @Muggles, @Some Guy, @syonredux, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Reg Cæsar

    So what you’re saying is those “murder for disrespect’ happenings are a cultural appropriation?

    Damn, those white folks didn’t invent anything good.

    • Replies: @Icy Blast
    @Muggles

    Mason's post is so stupid I'm surprised anyone was able to compose a reply. Must be one of the relatively few humans who voted for Biden.

    , @e.272
    @Muggles

    Thomas Sowell goes into this in "Black Rednecks and White Liberals". His thesis is that American slaves picked up gun-slinging honor culture from southern rednecks who had immigrated from rural England. Those blacks migrated north after the Civil War and again during industrial build-ups of the WWs took it on board. Sounds plausible.

    I remember having a 20-minute flight connection at JFK back in the mid-90s. Some dago was blocking the aisle on the plane I was trying to get off of while he made time with a stewardess. I'm not so good with patience and diplomacy, so after five minutes watching this I say "Yo, pizzano, get the fuck out the way." I wasn't going to win the fight that broke out so I was grateful for the airline security staff's intervention.

    Honor culture!

  8. Start to use “Felonious Black Gunfire” (FBG) in news reporting and then maybe the Lily White Cosmopolitans of the “Educational Fund to Stop Gun Violence and the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence” will get it through their Billionaire funded bank accounts that the masses are on to them.

  9. @Jonathan Mason
    ‘Affair of Honour.

    ‘We have just heard the particulars of a meeting which took place on Six Mile Island, on Tuesday, between two young bloods of our city: Samuel Thurston, aged fifteen, and William Hine, aged thirteen years. They were attended by young gentlemen of the same age. The weapons used on the occasion, were a couple of Dickson’s best rifles; the distance, thirty yards. They took one fire, without any damage being sustained by either party, except the ball of Thurston’s gun passing through the crown of Hine’s hat. Through the intercession of the Board of Honour, the challenge was withdrawn, and the difference amicably adjusted.'

    The above is a quotation from Charles Dickens American notes of 1842. It is one of a series of descriptions of newspaper reports of men dueling with firearms, which was apparently all the rage at the time.

    It is interesting that conservative blacks seem to have continued the old traditions, while whites have not.

    Perhaps we need to bring back the Board of Honour, whatever that was.

    Replies: @Muggles, @Some Guy, @syonredux, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Reg Cæsar

    The goal of dueling was not really to kill people the opponent though, it was to show that you were man enough to risk your life for your honor and good name. Drive-by shootings are cowardly, they wouldn’t do at all.

    Anyway, don’t those statistics disprove Ron Unz’ claim that Hispanics aren’t more criminal than whites adjusted for age?

  10. Steve,

    Enough with the media lies or is stupid about black crime statistics. It’s not 2000. Neither the media nor our rulers (nor blacks) care.

    It’s open season on hate whitey. Everything grows from that. You’re like a Kulak at the gulag complaining about that Pravda isn’t telling the whole truth.

    No shit.

  11. anon[912] • Disclaimer says:

    According to CDC the leading cause of death for black men aged 18 – 35 is homicide. Now, there’s a little bit of “how to lie with statistics” here, because men in that age range generally don’t perish. They don’t usually die of cancer, heart disease or stroke, unlike men over 65. It’s not as big a factor as it might look.

    But homicide is still the leading cause of death for black men 18 – 35 and we all know who kills them. It’s not cops.

    It’s other black men aged 18 – 35. Not “guns”, black men with guns. They kill the black women, too. Also black men with knives, ball bats, fists, feet and so forth.

    Superstitions won’t solve this. There is something very wrong with black men. They need to stop killing each other and the rest of us.

  12. This graph might almost give a hint why cops are more likely to profile young black men more than young white men: if young blacks on average are 20x more likely than young whites to be shot dead, then they are at least 20x more likely to shoot somebody dead.

    Steve, I’m sorry to say that you have this all wrong. Cops profile young black men because cops are racist. We know this as surely as a devout Christian knows that Christ arose from the dead on the third day. No charts and graphs will persuade a true believer otherwise. You could ask 100 liberals, 100 NY Times reporters, 100 college professors and they would all tell you the same.

    • Agree: TWS
    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @Jack D


    Steve, I’m sorry to say that you have this all wrong. Cops profile young black men because cops are racist.
     
    And this really is the problem. In a society with limited resources, cops have to be able to use their judgment and experience (i.e., racial stereotypes) to guess who is worth questioning and who is not. Outlawing racial profiling - blacks are most likely to be illegally carrying weapons and drugs, Muslims are most likely to be terrorists, Hispanics (especially those with accents) are most likely to be here illegally - effectively means that you either have more crime, or that you have a much more expensive and heavy handed government - or both.

    We’ve barred law enforcement from using logic, we’re seeing the result, and yet we’re shocked. NYT headline from tomorrow: “Racial profiling has been banned, yet violence keeps going up.”

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @TWS

    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Jack D


    Cops profile young black men because cops are racist. We know this as surely as a devout Christian knows that Christ arose from the dead on the third day.
     
    There's a lot more evidence that Jesus Christ rose from the dead than there is that police profile Negroes because police are racists.
  13. Imagine if every black felon was loaded onto an old C-47, flown over the ample bosom of mother Africa, and static line parachuted back into pre-history, as naked as the day they were born.

    It isn’t hard if you try.

    • LOL: Gabe Ruth
  14. Whites just aren’t doing their fair share for equity in getting themselves shot enough.

    Please don’t give anyone any ideas, Steve. Firing squads in the name of DIE wouldn’t be fun.

    • Replies: @wren
    @wren

    Ready.

    Aim.

    Diversity, Inclusion, Equity!

  15. • LOL: Gabe Ruth
    • Replies: @Jon
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Followed that tweet down a rabbit hole, ended up at this: https://mobile.twitter.com/PelosiMorning/status/1366040645958254594
    Sometimes the internet really pays off.

  16. “Whites just aren’t doing their fair share for equity in getting themselves shot enough.”

    Someone who writes dialog will probably steal this sentence.

  17. What’s the CDC collecting homicide stats for?

    I actually recall now that they’ve been doing this for a while. In the Obama era, I only ever heard of the CDC in connection to gun violence. They must have been scrabbling for relevance and funding, like NASA doing Muslim outreach.

    Lucky for them this deadly pandemic came along, eh?

    • Replies: @Barack Obama's secret Unz account
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    Actually, I did recently see a video of Kary Mullis talking about AIDS - I think it was him - and he said that some 70's CDC memo had leaked wherein a CDC bigwig complained that they needed a new plague before their funding dried up completely. (AIDS came along shortly thereafter, Mullis's insinuation being that it was fake as well as, of course, gay.)

    Perhaps someone here has a reference for that memo?

    , @Known Fact
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    The CDC merrily weighs in on guns because anything liberals or minorities don't like -- e.g. law enforcement or slavery -- can now be framed as a "public health issue."

  18. @Barack Obama's secret Unz account
    What's the CDC collecting homicide stats for?

    I actually recall now that they've been doing this for a while. In the Obama era, I only ever heard of the CDC in connection to gun violence. They must have been scrabbling for relevance and funding, like NASA doing Muslim outreach.

    Lucky for them this deadly pandemic came along, eh?

    Replies: @Barack Obama's secret Unz account, @Known Fact

    Actually, I did recently see a video of Kary Mullis talking about AIDS – I think it was him – and he said that some 70’s CDC memo had leaked wherein a CDC bigwig complained that they needed a new plague before their funding dried up completely. (AIDS came along shortly thereafter, Mullis’s insinuation being that it was fake as well as, of course, gay.)

    Perhaps someone here has a reference for that memo?

  19. @Muggles
    @Jonathan Mason

    So what you're saying is those "murder for disrespect' happenings are a cultural appropriation?

    Damn, those white folks didn't invent anything good.

    Replies: @Icy Blast, @e.272

    Mason’s post is so stupid I’m surprised anyone was able to compose a reply. Must be one of the relatively few humans who voted for Biden.

    • Agree: TWS
  20. It’s almost as if in the two years after Ferguson (August 2014) and the beginning of the First BLM ERA, the media and the Obama Administration were, in effect, egging blacks on to shoot each other in even higher numbers than normal during the first half of the 2010s.

    “To shoot each other” … was certainly not their intent in their “egging blacks on”, but you’re right that’s a big huge “in effect” whenever you egg blacks on.

  21. Whites just aren’t doing their fair share for equity in getting themselves shot enough.

    Sure they are. They are shooting themselves in droves.

    • Agree: Wilkey, nokangaroos
  22. Mr. President, We Must Close the Gunshot Gap!

    Please Steve, don’t encourage him.

    He’s demented enough to do exactly that … and i don’t want my kids involved in in any resulting gunshot reception quota.

    • Replies: @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia
    @AnotherDad

    Steve has achieved his highest calling -- being the Babylon Bee of Black Murder Statistics.

    He gently lays out today's potentially absurd woke-ish positions on the subject, only to have said positions be embraced by the very people who are ostensibly being mocked!!

    Bringing you tomorrow's woke positions today!! The T-Shirt franchise is sure to be lucrative.

    If there are multiple definitions of "Hell" is the Dictionary of Irony, this particular definition is sure to be there.

  23. @wren

    Whites just aren’t doing their fair share for equity in getting themselves shot enough.
     
    Please don't give anyone any ideas, Steve. Firing squads in the name of DIE wouldn't be fun.

    Replies: @wren

    Ready.

    Aim.

    Diversity, Inclusion, Equity!

  24. Always important to remember that the news must fit the narrative:

    For starters, it’s important to accept that the New York Times has always — or at least for many decades — been a far more editor-driven, and self-conscious, publication than many of those with which it competes. Historically, the Los Angeles Times, where I worked twice, for instance, was a reporter-driven, bottom-up newspaper. Most editors wanted to know, every day, before the first morning meeting: “What are you hearing? What have you got?”

    It was a shock on arriving at the New York Times in 2004, as the paper’s movie editor, to realize that its editorial dynamic was essentially the reverse. By and large, talented reporters scrambled to match stories with what internally was often called “the narrative.” We were occasionally asked to map a narrative for our various beats a year in advance, square the plan with editors, then generate stories that fit the pre-designated line.

    Reality usually had a way of intervening. But I knew one senior reporter who would play solitaire on his computer in the mornings, waiting for his editors to come through with marching orders. Once, in the Los Angeles bureau, I listened to a visiting National staff reporter tell a contact, more or less: “My editor needs someone to say such-and-such, could you say that?”

    https://deadline.com/2016/11/shocked-by-trump-new-york-times-finds-time-for-soul-searching-1201852490/

    • Thanks: Gabe Ruth
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @syonredux

    Incredible. Thank you.

    , @kaganovitch
    @syonredux

    Once, in the Los Angeles bureau, I listened to a visiting National staff reporter tell a contact, more or less: “My editor needs someone to say such-and-such, could you say that?”

    The late,great, Donald Westlake wrote a hilarious novel in the 80's called "Trust Me on This". It is set in a supermarket tabloid called The Weekly Galaxy. It describes in great detail how tabloid reporters actually get a doctor to say potato chips are good for you and the like. It would appear the NYT works much the same way.

  25. Sailer seems to believe the rot set in at Ferguson when Michael Brown was shot to death for acting like a ‘gentle giant’. But to me, the thing began with Trayvon Martin getting blown away by a swarthy hispanic male who objected to having his head slammed into a concrete sidewalk.That was in 2012.

    Here we had the POTUS opining that ‘if he had a son he would have looked like Trayvon Martin’. But there was no way Trayvon Martin was going to be America’s next Neil Armstrong. He was a 17 year old POS born to two POS who got what he was looking for and it wasn’t to be the first man to land on Mars.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @unit472

    Trayvon really got Tennessee Coats a lot of attention too. It was his big break.

    , @nokangaroos
    @unit472

    Violent crime dropped across the board from the Crack Wars to 2006 when it began to flatline, driven exclusively by resurgent black bilence (all others are still falling); it´s not like they were dragged, kicking and screaming, into a carnage they wanted no piece of (by White supremicisses, that is).

    Three strikes laws, minimum sentences, stop and frisk and broken windows worked -
    as long as they were allowed to;
    but attention spans and memories keep getting shorter.

  26. @Jack D

    This graph might almost give a hint why cops are more likely to profile young black men more than young white men: if young blacks on average are 20x more likely than young whites to be shot dead, then they are at least 20x more likely to shoot somebody dead.
     
    Steve, I'm sorry to say that you have this all wrong. Cops profile young black men because cops are racist. We know this as surely as a devout Christian knows that Christ arose from the dead on the third day. No charts and graphs will persuade a true believer otherwise. You could ask 100 liberals, 100 NY Times reporters, 100 college professors and they would all tell you the same.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Jus' Sayin'...

    Steve, I’m sorry to say that you have this all wrong. Cops profile young black men because cops are racist.

    And this really is the problem. In a society with limited resources, cops have to be able to use their judgment and experience (i.e., racial stereotypes) to guess who is worth questioning and who is not. Outlawing racial profiling – blacks are most likely to be illegally carrying weapons and drugs, Muslims are most likely to be terrorists, Hispanics (especially those with accents) are most likely to be here illegally – effectively means that you either have more crime, or that you have a much more expensive and heavy handed government – or both.

    We’ve barred law enforcement from using logic, we’re seeing the result, and yet we’re shocked. NYT headline from tomorrow: “Racial profiling has been banned, yet violence keeps going up.”

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Wilkey

    Wilkey, San Francisco just pared $150 million out of the police budget and is giving it to black NGOs. A start on the road to reparations, but of course, California never had legal slavery but did have laws against Asians and Asians are being attacked by blacks. The liberal mind is hard to figure out.Stay safe.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    , @TWS
    @Wilkey

    When I first started in law enforcement many moons ago my state prohibited using race to profile. The state to our immediate south did not. Same ethnic breakdown, same culture but their profile stops were well over 75% accurate while we had to work essentially at random for the same thing. My state simply didn't do those interdiction stops we depended on our neighbor to stop the traffic. Thus we also didn't develop the same quality Intel and contacts.

  27. The lifetime risk of being murdered is about 1% if you’re a black male, about 0.1% if you’re either a black female or white male and 0.01% (1-in-10,000) if you’re a white female.

    It’s rare to die as a murder victim if you’re a white female and not common at at all if you’re a white male or black female. But it is a modestly common way for a black male to die.

  28. @SafeNow
    It’s too bad that police are not sufficiently funded, because a total defense to racism charges would be to stop-question-frisk more whites than blacks. In other words, police would profile and stop vast numbers of white and Asian pharmacists, accountants, electricians, and so on. The questioning could be quite perfunctory. “Where are you going? Oh, to the hospital to perform cardiac surgery? Well, OK you looked a little suspicious to me, but I’ll let you off with a warning this time. Bye, Doc.” Then stop the next possible white perp.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Thomas

    What seems to upset blacks the most is that they, like children, have to live in a much more authoritarian society than whites just to have a solid shot at having a functional society.

    And there is no way to square that circle. Either cops are going to have to be as trusting of blacks as they are of whites, and crime in black communities will continue to get worse, or whites will have to get used to being questioned and harassed by cops as often as blacks – an all the extra costs which go along with that.

    • Replies: @Thomas
    @Wilkey


    What seems to upset blacks the most is that they, like children, have to live in a much more authoritarian society than whites just to have a solid shot at having a functional society.
     
    I try not to pay more attention to the wit and wisdom of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez than I have to. One gem she came out with last year though was to say that a community with the police abolished would be "a suburb," like the one she grew up in. Nobody of course would ever publicly point out to her that "a white community, with perhaps a few people like you thrown in for flavor, is a suburb without the police. A black community without the police is a ghetto."

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @Luzzatto

    , @Marty
    @Wilkey

    This is wrong - relatively few blacks get stopped by cops anyway. No, what upsets blacks the most is that society’s goodies don’t go to those best equipped to win a fight. They have no idea that a commercial society doesn’t run on, “I’ll fuck you up.”

    Replies: @Wilkey

    , @Polistra
    @Wilkey


    Either cops are going to have to be as trusting of blacks as they are of whites, and crime in black communities will continue to get worse, or whites will have to get used to being questioned and harassed by cops as often as blacks – an all the extra costs which go along with that.
     
    This may twist your mind a bit, but what you've just described is a white notion of 'justice'. The Black™ notion--the 'Restorative Justice' version--is for Blacks™ never to be 'questioned and harassed' ever. No matter what they're doing.

    They've been taught by decades of mass-media entertainment/propaganda that this is what whites have always enjoyed, and they figure it's their turn. You and I know that mass-media entertainment/propaganda is an endless flood of lies, but you and I are in an extreme minority. And we have no voice in the public square. We're not the puppetmasters. We're not even the puppets. We're the targets.

  29. Hey Steve,

    When did black out of wedlock childbirth rates hit the 70-75% range? If you add 16 to that year, would it line up with the latest increases in the murder rates? If it’s a contributing factor, then even if we could return to good policing policies, it won’t get us back to previous murder rates.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @anon12

    My vague impression is that 1991 was the peak year for out of wedlock teen mother births among blacks.

  30. Wait, I thought that the biden CDC was all about black people getting shot, or shots or something. Blacks at the head of the line is good.In obama 2.0 all black problems will go away.

  31. @Wilkey
    @Jack D


    Steve, I’m sorry to say that you have this all wrong. Cops profile young black men because cops are racist.
     
    And this really is the problem. In a society with limited resources, cops have to be able to use their judgment and experience (i.e., racial stereotypes) to guess who is worth questioning and who is not. Outlawing racial profiling - blacks are most likely to be illegally carrying weapons and drugs, Muslims are most likely to be terrorists, Hispanics (especially those with accents) are most likely to be here illegally - effectively means that you either have more crime, or that you have a much more expensive and heavy handed government - or both.

    We’ve barred law enforcement from using logic, we’re seeing the result, and yet we’re shocked. NYT headline from tomorrow: “Racial profiling has been banned, yet violence keeps going up.”

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @TWS

    Wilkey, San Francisco just pared $150 million out of the police budget and is giving it to black NGOs. A start on the road to reparations, but of course, California never had legal slavery but did have laws against Asians and Asians are being attacked by blacks. The liberal mind is hard to figure out.Stay safe.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Buffalo Joe


    and is giving it to black NGOs
     
    Sounds redundant... assuming that last word is a pronounceable acronym.
  32. @Jack D

    This graph might almost give a hint why cops are more likely to profile young black men more than young white men: if young blacks on average are 20x more likely than young whites to be shot dead, then they are at least 20x more likely to shoot somebody dead.
     
    Steve, I'm sorry to say that you have this all wrong. Cops profile young black men because cops are racist. We know this as surely as a devout Christian knows that Christ arose from the dead on the third day. No charts and graphs will persuade a true believer otherwise. You could ask 100 liberals, 100 NY Times reporters, 100 college professors and they would all tell you the same.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Jus' Sayin'...

    Cops profile young black men because cops are racist. We know this as surely as a devout Christian knows that Christ arose from the dead on the third day.

    There’s a lot more evidence that Jesus Christ rose from the dead than there is that police profile Negroes because police are racists.

  33. @Jonathan Mason
    ‘Affair of Honour.

    ‘We have just heard the particulars of a meeting which took place on Six Mile Island, on Tuesday, between two young bloods of our city: Samuel Thurston, aged fifteen, and William Hine, aged thirteen years. They were attended by young gentlemen of the same age. The weapons used on the occasion, were a couple of Dickson’s best rifles; the distance, thirty yards. They took one fire, without any damage being sustained by either party, except the ball of Thurston’s gun passing through the crown of Hine’s hat. Through the intercession of the Board of Honour, the challenge was withdrawn, and the difference amicably adjusted.'

    The above is a quotation from Charles Dickens American notes of 1842. It is one of a series of descriptions of newspaper reports of men dueling with firearms, which was apparently all the rage at the time.

    It is interesting that conservative blacks seem to have continued the old traditions, while whites have not.

    Perhaps we need to bring back the Board of Honour, whatever that was.

    Replies: @Muggles, @Some Guy, @syonredux, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Reg Cæsar

    The popularity of dueling among social elites in the 18th-early 19th centuries is fascinating. Weird how it was particularly popular in Britain with medical men and lawyers:

    By the 1780s, the values of the duel had spread into the broader and emerging society of gentlemen. Research shows that much the largest group of later duellists were military officers, followed by the young sons of the metropolitan elite (see Banks, A Polite Exchange of Bullets). Dueling was also popular for a time among doctors and, in particular, in the legal professions. Quantifying the number of duels in Britain is difficult, but there are about 1,000 attested between 1785 and 1845 with fatality rates at least 15% and probably somewhat higher.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duel#Great_Britain_and_Ireland

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @syonredux

    The Duke of Wellington fought a duel in 1829. Pretty amazing to imagine an in-office PM engaging in that kind of behavior:



    The Duel Fought by the Duke of Wellington and the Earl of Winchilsea – 23 March 1829


    Winchilsea had written a letter expressing his dissatisfaction with Wellington’s religious policy. Once Winchilsea accepted authorship of this letter, the Duke ‘demanded a retraction,’ which was then refused. Wellington demanded ‘reparation’ for so unprovoked an insult – leading to the Saturday morning meeting at Battersea Fields.
     

    The Duke of Wellington arrived on horseback, accompanied by Sir Henry Hardinge, whilst the Earl of Winchilsea and his second, the Earl of Falmouth, arrived by coach and four. The Duke fired first; but the Earl of Winchilsea, unscathed, ‘immediately discharged his pistol in the air.’
     
    https://blog.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/2013/03/23/the-duel-fought-by-the-duke-of-wellington-and-the-earl-of-winchelsea-23-march-1829/

    Replies: @profnasty

    , @Mike Tre
    @syonredux

    "Weird how it was particularly popular in Britain with medical men and lawyers:"


    Maybe we could get Jack D and ThatWouldBeTrolling to re-popularize the practice.

  34. @Jonathan Mason
    ‘Affair of Honour.

    ‘We have just heard the particulars of a meeting which took place on Six Mile Island, on Tuesday, between two young bloods of our city: Samuel Thurston, aged fifteen, and William Hine, aged thirteen years. They were attended by young gentlemen of the same age. The weapons used on the occasion, were a couple of Dickson’s best rifles; the distance, thirty yards. They took one fire, without any damage being sustained by either party, except the ball of Thurston’s gun passing through the crown of Hine’s hat. Through the intercession of the Board of Honour, the challenge was withdrawn, and the difference amicably adjusted.'

    The above is a quotation from Charles Dickens American notes of 1842. It is one of a series of descriptions of newspaper reports of men dueling with firearms, which was apparently all the rage at the time.

    It is interesting that conservative blacks seem to have continued the old traditions, while whites have not.

    Perhaps we need to bring back the Board of Honour, whatever that was.

    Replies: @Muggles, @Some Guy, @syonredux, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Reg Cæsar

    It is one of a series of descriptions of newspaper reports of men dueling with firearms, which was apparently all the rage at the time.

    It is interesting that conservative blacks seem to have continued the old traditions, while whites have not.

    There’s a big difference between nineteenth century affairs of honor and inept Negro thugs doing drive bys, i.e spraying a crowd with poorly aimed gunfire and more often than not missing their intended victim(s) while inflicting massive collateral damage on innocent bystanders.

  35. @Buffalo Joe
    @Wilkey

    Wilkey, San Francisco just pared $150 million out of the police budget and is giving it to black NGOs. A start on the road to reparations, but of course, California never had legal slavery but did have laws against Asians and Asians are being attacked by blacks. The liberal mind is hard to figure out.Stay safe.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    and is giving it to black NGOs

    Sounds redundant… assuming that last word is a pronounceable acronym.

  36. Anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:

    [Men] made up more than [ FILL IN THE BLANK ] of firearm homicide victims in the USA in 2019, one of several disparities revealed in a review of gun mortality data released Tuesday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

  37. Anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux
    Always important to remember that the news must fit the narrative:

    For starters, it’s important to accept that the New York Times has always — or at least for many decades — been a far more editor-driven, and self-conscious, publication than many of those with which it competes. Historically, the Los Angeles Times, where I worked twice, for instance, was a reporter-driven, bottom-up newspaper. Most editors wanted to know, every day, before the first morning meeting: “What are you hearing? What have you got?”
     

    It was a shock on arriving at the New York Times in 2004, as the paper’s movie editor, to realize that its editorial dynamic was essentially the reverse. By and large, talented reporters scrambled to match stories with what internally was often called “the narrative.” We were occasionally asked to map a narrative for our various beats a year in advance, square the plan with editors, then generate stories that fit the pre-designated line.
     

    Reality usually had a way of intervening. But I knew one senior reporter who would play solitaire on his computer in the mornings, waiting for his editors to come through with marching orders. Once, in the Los Angeles bureau, I listened to a visiting National staff reporter tell a contact, more or less: “My editor needs someone to say such-and-such, could you say that?”
     
    https://deadline.com/2016/11/shocked-by-trump-new-york-times-finds-time-for-soul-searching-1201852490/

    Replies: @Anonymous, @kaganovitch

    Incredible. Thank you.

  38. Uhhh as usual, a dumb teen mother and no father in the home breeds authority oppositional defiance disorder. Add a heaping helping of narcissistic personality disorder that has long plagued American black people, and we have the perfect recipe for black women as well as men getting shot in the ass.

    This has been going on a looong time. Nothing new.

    It’s a black thing black people can’t seem to understand.

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    @zoos

    I guess this has gone "viral"?

    Is this the post-Floyd mode of how the police take a criminal suspect into custody? They just stand there with guns drawn and pointed that they let the situation resolve peacefully at the suspects own pace?

    Not that anything is wrong with that.

    My question is why didn't this woman just walk away? Would the police have given chase?

    Replies: @AndrewR

  39. Steve, OT but is cuomo being nudged off his thone? Two sexual harassment charges now in the Buffalo News and AOC calling for an investigation lead by a person with supoena power.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Buffalo Joe

    He's in hot water about the nursing home deaths, suddenly. Now this.

    Replies: @Muggles

    , @Known Fact
    @Buffalo Joe

    So he apparently put thousands of helpless old people at risk of their lives, with deadly results, but now we're supposed to focus instead on him trying to cop a feel? This is how the media works its bait-and-switch

    Replies: @MEH 0910

    , @Sick 'n Tired
    @Buffalo Joe

    Would you rather be on the hook for 2 BS sexual harassment cases, or from the thousands of elderly deaths you caused by exposing them to sick patients, and then cooked the books on to hide the truth?

    , @fish
    @Buffalo Joe

    DNC clearing the field (on both coasts) of likely 2024 opponents for VP “Heels Up”!

  40. From Dylan’s version of Frankie & Albert:

    Pulled out a forty-four.
    Gun went off a rootie-toot-toot
    And Albert fell on the floor.
    He was her man but he done her wrong.

    Throw me into a cell.
    I shot my Albert dead.
    And now I’m goin’ to hell.
    He was her man but he done me wrong.”
    “Plain as a thing can be.
    A woman shot her lover down.
    Murder in the second degree.”
    He was her man but he done her wrong.

    Calm as a girl could be.
    Turned her eyes up towards the heavens.
    Said, “nearer, my god, to thee.”
    He was her man but he done her wrong.

  41. @syonredux
    Always important to remember that the news must fit the narrative:

    For starters, it’s important to accept that the New York Times has always — or at least for many decades — been a far more editor-driven, and self-conscious, publication than many of those with which it competes. Historically, the Los Angeles Times, where I worked twice, for instance, was a reporter-driven, bottom-up newspaper. Most editors wanted to know, every day, before the first morning meeting: “What are you hearing? What have you got?”
     

    It was a shock on arriving at the New York Times in 2004, as the paper’s movie editor, to realize that its editorial dynamic was essentially the reverse. By and large, talented reporters scrambled to match stories with what internally was often called “the narrative.” We were occasionally asked to map a narrative for our various beats a year in advance, square the plan with editors, then generate stories that fit the pre-designated line.
     

    Reality usually had a way of intervening. But I knew one senior reporter who would play solitaire on his computer in the mornings, waiting for his editors to come through with marching orders. Once, in the Los Angeles bureau, I listened to a visiting National staff reporter tell a contact, more or less: “My editor needs someone to say such-and-such, could you say that?”
     
    https://deadline.com/2016/11/shocked-by-trump-new-york-times-finds-time-for-soul-searching-1201852490/

    Replies: @Anonymous, @kaganovitch

    Once, in the Los Angeles bureau, I listened to a visiting National staff reporter tell a contact, more or less: “My editor needs someone to say such-and-such, could you say that?”

    The late,great, Donald Westlake wrote a hilarious novel in the 80’s called “Trust Me on This”. It is set in a supermarket tabloid called The Weekly Galaxy. It describes in great detail how tabloid reporters actually get a doctor to say potato chips are good for you and the like. It would appear the NYT works much the same way.

  42. @Buffalo Joe
    Steve, OT but is cuomo being nudged off his thone? Two sexual harassment charges now in the Buffalo News and AOC calling for an investigation lead by a person with supoena power.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Known Fact, @Sick 'n Tired, @fish

    He’s in hot water about the nursing home deaths, suddenly. Now this.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @Paperback Writer


    He’s in hot water about the nursing home deaths, suddenly. Now this.
     
    re: Cuomo and sexual harassment accusations.

    Yes, all of the truthiness about the Gov suddenly appears after the dust is settled with the elections and the Dem mafia is eyeing the future. They are lining up early for future positions.

    Cuomo was highly touted as a near saint, the nursing home deaths well known, and I'm sure the Albany rumor mill about wandering eyes/hands has known about the Gov's habits.

    Yet suddenly, like jackals smelling blood, even the previously laudatory MSM ("Emmy winning Governor") has grown silent about his virtues. As if on cue, facts of nursing home death cover-ups are being revealed and credible accusations by female staffers are given air time.

    While I can only applaud the slow emergence of truth, I'm putting these "revelations" about the sainted Gov. in the "It's No Accident" file.
  43. I vaguely remember a conspiracy type theory that to lower the gap between Black and white rates of incarceration the Obama administration increased the rate of white women incarcerated.

    Opinion: White women are going to prison at a higher rate than ever before
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/01/24/white-women-are-going-to-prison-at-a-higher-rate-than-ever-before/

  44. @Wilkey
    @SafeNow

    What seems to upset blacks the most is that they, like children, have to live in a much more authoritarian society than whites just to have a solid shot at having a functional society.

    And there is no way to square that circle. Either cops are going to have to be as trusting of blacks as they are of whites, and crime in black communities will continue to get worse, or whites will have to get used to being questioned and harassed by cops as often as blacks - an all the extra costs which go along with that.

    Replies: @Thomas, @Marty, @Polistra

    What seems to upset blacks the most is that they, like children, have to live in a much more authoritarian society than whites just to have a solid shot at having a functional society.

    I try not to pay more attention to the wit and wisdom of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez than I have to. One gem she came out with last year though was to say that a community with the police abolished would be “a suburb,” like the one she grew up in. Nobody of course would ever publicly point out to her that “a white community, with perhaps a few people like you thrown in for flavor, is a suburb without the police. A black community without the police is a ghetto.”

    • Thanks: Gabe Ruth
    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    @Thomas

    Never forget that in her last night's employment at her bartender gig, AOC scooted off with the tips. So much for proletariat solidarity!

    , @Luzzatto
    @Thomas

    AOC likes to claim that she grew up in The South Bronx which in the 1970s was the site of all those burning buildings (Remember the famous The Bronx Is Burning comment during a Yankees game in 1977) and the inspiration for the 1970s film The Warriors!

    Replies: @Thomas

  45. I don’t see one word in the report or the USA Today write-up about the demographics of the homicide victims’ victimizers.

    At minimum, 30% of the people who read this story will assume that all those homicided Black Bodies were killed by Whites, probably Trump-supporting white extremists and/or police.

    • Replies: @Luzzatto
    @Thomas

    The Democrat run mainstream media are extremely obsessed with news stories involving Black Transgender sex workers who are murdered but not extremely obsessed with who is murdering Black Transgender sex workers.

    But in the comment sections of these news stories there are always extremely uninformed Democrat voters saying stuff like when is Drumpf's White Supremacist death cult going to stop murdering Black Transgender bodies.

    That's what happens when news stories purposely leave out the fact that it's Black men who are murdering Black Transgender sex workers and not MAGA!

    Replies: @Templar

  46. @Buffalo Joe
    Steve, OT but is cuomo being nudged off his thone? Two sexual harassment charges now in the Buffalo News and AOC calling for an investigation lead by a person with supoena power.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Known Fact, @Sick 'n Tired, @fish

    So he apparently put thousands of helpless old people at risk of their lives, with deadly results, but now we’re supposed to focus instead on him trying to cop a feel? This is how the media works its bait-and-switch

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @Known Fact

    https://twitter.com/TheBabylonBee/status/1366903877631680513

    https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1367672496569352197

  47. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    https://twitter.com/bongomansam/status/1365839245047443461

    Replies: @Jon

    Followed that tweet down a rabbit hole, ended up at this: https://mobile.twitter.com/PelosiMorning/status/1366040645958254594
    Sometimes the internet really pays off.

  48. nearly 14 times more likely
    eight times more likely…
    four times more likely…

    A “journalist” is a reporter who was never properly taught to write. Or think.

    Other statoids from the report:

    Careful. You could get a year’s suspension for injecting anabolic statoids.

    But here’s an informative graph if you can decode the intentionally confusing color coding

    It’s reassuring to know that black men settle down once they reach 75. But what’s with old white men? Is it suicides that miss the target?

    Nada Hassanein
    USA TODAY

    Nada Hassanein = Sane Asian hand.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
    @Reg Cæsar

    The peacable black geezers are a statistical artefact -
    it´s just that black males usually succumb to multiorgan failure from substance abuse around age 45.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  49. @Jonathan Mason
    ‘Affair of Honour.

    ‘We have just heard the particulars of a meeting which took place on Six Mile Island, on Tuesday, between two young bloods of our city: Samuel Thurston, aged fifteen, and William Hine, aged thirteen years. They were attended by young gentlemen of the same age. The weapons used on the occasion, were a couple of Dickson’s best rifles; the distance, thirty yards. They took one fire, without any damage being sustained by either party, except the ball of Thurston’s gun passing through the crown of Hine’s hat. Through the intercession of the Board of Honour, the challenge was withdrawn, and the difference amicably adjusted.'

    The above is a quotation from Charles Dickens American notes of 1842. It is one of a series of descriptions of newspaper reports of men dueling with firearms, which was apparently all the rage at the time.

    It is interesting that conservative blacks seem to have continued the old traditions, while whites have not.

    Perhaps we need to bring back the Board of Honour, whatever that was.

    Replies: @Muggles, @Some Guy, @syonredux, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Reg Cæsar

    The above is a quotation from Charles Dickens American notes of 1842. It is one of a series of descriptions of newspaper reports of men dueling with firearms, which was apparently all the rage at the time.

    Georgia outlawed pistols in 1837 for that very reason. The law stayed on the books for over a decade, until the state supreme court threw it out on federal constitutional issues. Their state constitution didn’t include a right to keep and bear arms, unlike most states’.

  50. @SafeNow
    It’s too bad that police are not sufficiently funded, because a total defense to racism charges would be to stop-question-frisk more whites than blacks. In other words, police would profile and stop vast numbers of white and Asian pharmacists, accountants, electricians, and so on. The questioning could be quite perfunctory. “Where are you going? Oh, to the hospital to perform cardiac surgery? Well, OK you looked a little suspicious to me, but I’ll let you off with a warning this time. Bye, Doc.” Then stop the next possible white perp.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Thomas

    It’s too bad that police are not sufficiently funded, because a total defense to racism charges would be to stop-question-frisk more whites than blacks. In other words, police would profile and stop vast numbers of white and Asian pharmacists, accountants, electricians, and so on.

    You think your proposal is facetious. But it’s been the subject of a book years ago by a prominent legal scholar and “critical theorist” at Columbia Law, who presented it entirely in earnest.

    I assume you’re not going to read the book, but he explains the thesis in this podcast. It’s worth listening to, not for the argument itself, which is obviously ridiculous, but for a case study in how intellectual and academic sophistry can justify anything, no matter how daft.

    • Thanks: SafeNow
    • Replies: @bomag
    @Thomas

    Thanks.

    Seems to stem from the desire to be nice. We announce that "all men are created equal ", which is nice for those who really aren't. Then, when the equal outcomes don't show up, residents of clown world conclude that we must ball peen hammer those who don't measure down.

  51. @Thomas
    @Wilkey


    What seems to upset blacks the most is that they, like children, have to live in a much more authoritarian society than whites just to have a solid shot at having a functional society.
     
    I try not to pay more attention to the wit and wisdom of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez than I have to. One gem she came out with last year though was to say that a community with the police abolished would be "a suburb," like the one she grew up in. Nobody of course would ever publicly point out to her that "a white community, with perhaps a few people like you thrown in for flavor, is a suburb without the police. A black community without the police is a ghetto."

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @Luzzatto

    Never forget that in her last night’s employment at her bartender gig, AOC scooted off with the tips. So much for proletariat solidarity!

  52. @syonredux
    @Jonathan Mason

    The popularity of dueling among social elites in the 18th-early 19th centuries is fascinating. Weird how it was particularly popular in Britain with medical men and lawyers:


    By the 1780s, the values of the duel had spread into the broader and emerging society of gentlemen. Research shows that much the largest group of later duellists were military officers, followed by the young sons of the metropolitan elite (see Banks, A Polite Exchange of Bullets). Dueling was also popular for a time among doctors and, in particular, in the legal professions. Quantifying the number of duels in Britain is difficult, but there are about 1,000 attested between 1785 and 1845 with fatality rates at least 15% and probably somewhat higher.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duel#Great_Britain_and_Ireland

    Replies: @syonredux, @Mike Tre

    The Duke of Wellington fought a duel in 1829. Pretty amazing to imagine an in-office PM engaging in that kind of behavior:

    The Duel Fought by the Duke of Wellington and the Earl of Winchilsea – 23 March 1829

    Winchilsea had written a letter expressing his dissatisfaction with Wellington’s religious policy. Once Winchilsea accepted authorship of this letter, the Duke ‘demanded a retraction,’ which was then refused. Wellington demanded ‘reparation’ for so unprovoked an insult – leading to the Saturday morning meeting at Battersea Fields.

    The Duke of Wellington arrived on horseback, accompanied by Sir Henry Hardinge, whilst the Earl of Winchilsea and his second, the Earl of Falmouth, arrived by coach and four. The Duke fired first; but the Earl of Winchilsea, unscathed, ‘immediately discharged his pistol in the air.’

    https://blog.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/2013/03/23/the-duel-fought-by-the-duke-of-wellington-and-the-earl-of-winchelsea-23-march-1829/

    • Replies: @profnasty
    @syonredux

    When men were men!
    Our 'Man', Andrew Jackson, his wife having been insulated by Henry Clay(?), sent a message.
    "Tell him if ever he insults my wife again, I will board the first train to Richmond and hang him from the nearest tree."
    On receiving the message, Clay was visibly shaken.
    Because he knew Jackson meant every word.
    Take that Donald Trump.

  53. Anon[367] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    Normally you would expect the New York Times to be ranting about how those Republican hillbillies think climate change is a conspiracy.

    But today they have a piece on those who have a “family tradition of having a second or third refrigerator,” and they tell us that “nearly 20 percent of Black Americans have them, as do 22 percent of Latinos, and 1/3rd of Native Americans,” so it’s O.K.

    The comments are people fondly discussing the merits of multi-fridges (big families, batch cooking, entertaining, rural living far from stores), and New York renters carping about climate change and obesity.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/23/dining/two-refrigerators.html

    On a couple of occasions I’ve done energy audits of my dwelling (roommate discussions about how to split the bills), and it comes down to fridge and heating/cooling. That’s most of your energy bill. Lighting, even incandescent, is trivial. So two or three fridges, especially older ones, would really raise your electricity usage. If Americans do this, so will the Chinese eventually, then Indians, Indonesians, Malaysians, Africans who don’t migrate elsewhere. My verdict: Forget about climate change. Live for the moment!

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Anon

    My fridge has been unplugged for years. I never buy anything that can't sit at room temperature for days. I also never use my A/C. I'm a fan of fans. And in the winter my house generally stays below 55°.

    Replies: @anon

  54. Gunshot Gap– that sounds like a 10¢ Western pulp novel– is part of a larger story: natural selection at work. Here’s another example:

    Girl, 4, abandoned on Bronx street after midnight

    She’d have been found dead here last week. Or even in Texas. Weather is so racist.

    However, whites are trying hard to keep up on the obesity front. This one is “pansexual”. At 1,000 lbs, she’s clearly in love with a pan. Her frying pan.

    “During the Feb. 15 episode of 1000-lb Sisters, Tammy dropped a bombshell on her family and boyfriend of two years, Jerry, proclaiming herself pansexual.”

    ‘1000-lb Sisters’ star Amy Slaton’s baby drama includes C-section and low blood-sugar level

    [MORE]

  55. I wonder what Mr. Unz thinks of the graphs. The data are sex- and age-normed and show Hispanics to have considerably higher homicide rates than whites.

  56. Abe says:

    I gotta toot my own horn a bit here. I’ve been watching THE MIND OF AARON HERNANDEZ Netflix documentary while working out lately. Lot of interesting revelations, though I haven’t been following the case too closely so maybe that’s just me.

    One is that the Hernandez Family is a sort of Build-a-Hispanic lab. Combine Aaron’s father, Dennis- a Puerto Rican with visible African ancestry- and his mom, Terri- a run-of-the-mill New England Italian-American- and you get: Aaron and his brother DJ, basically white America’s platonic ideal of what a Mexican should look like (and I guess confirming the estimates of ~25% well-mixed African ancestry for most non-elite Mexicans).

    Other interesting part was how white Aaron’s black fiancé was (the fact that they put out Christmas cards as a family , that she even banished him to a man-cave in his own mansion, I think merits giving her a more respectful title than “baby mama”). A lot of candid, taped prison phone-calls are played and she speaks well (even affecting a sort of valley girl uptalk tic) and even demonstrates that ne plus ultra signal of gentry white respectability- chiding Aaron for calling prison trannies (as he describes them basically men with tits bolted up front) “things”. “O my god, they’re human beings too, Aaron!”

    Anyway, to get back on topic, Aarons’ short, brutish life confirms my own intuited theory of why even extremely successful (usually through sports/music) minorities (i.e. blacks) still have such [email protected]’d up lives. Aaron Hernandez killed two men over a stupid beef at a club right before signing a $40 million contract with the Pats. Based on other indicators he may have indeed been psychotic (possibly from repeated brain injury), but his trajectory is hardly uncommon. The basic check-points are this: lower-class black achieves extraordinary success through sports or entertainment, buys mansion in a super-upscale, super-white neighborhood, realizes that he doesn’t want to go to Rotary Club dinners or edit Wikipedia from his den the rest of his life, then like a moth to a fire is drawn back to the unsavory characters from his old neighborhood, or unsavory characters like from his old neighborhood, or unsavory characters like the ones he’d imagine populating the neighborhood he wish’d he’d grown up in if he happens to have grown up more-or-less middle class.

    The nexus for this are clubs, gambling, or the acquisition of drugs. But in the end all that means is no matter how much worldly success is thrown at them, how many millions their bank accounts are flush with, stupid, self-destructive behavior often leading to gun-play is something society (i.e. whites) simply cannot save them from- Hernandez’s trajectory is basically the same one followed by GIANTS wide receiver Plexico Burress (jailed on gun play charges), Puff Daddy (not jailed on gun charges, just evaded them after engaging in gun play at a club), Pop Smoke/Tupac Shakur/Biggie Smalls (all killed by low-level gangbangers after some club beef for because they looked like juicy robbery targets given all their conspicuously displayed wealth).

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    @Abe

    Don't forget Ray Carruth, corner for the Panthers who murdered his preggers girlfriend 25 or so years ago. The baby lived, he was released from prison a year or three back. Probably wanted to look after his surviving child.

    Replies: @Abe

    , @Pericles
    @Abe

    The crab wants back in the bucket.

  57. • After years of decline (from 2006-2011), the firearm homicide rate fluctuated before an
    astronomical rise from 2014 to 2015.

    Astronomical? Did she mean that it rose by orders of magnitude? Journalists of all people should be taught that using Grammerly is not a substitute for actually knowing how to write english prose.

    So homicides declined between 2006-2011. During that whole time, gun ownership rates were at least as high as the five years before that. Gun purchase rates were probably higher for much of that time; there was a large wave in gun buying after Obama was elected.

    As always, the pervasiveness of guns in America is uncorrelated with murder rates. Yet liberals still use the “gun crime” canard.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @Mr. Anon

    Reporters choose "astronomical," because it sounds more serious and sciencey than "whopping." But "soaring," "skyrocketing" and "massive" are also handy choices.

  58. @AnotherDad

    Mr. President, We Must Close the Gunshot Gap!
     
    Please Steve, don't encourage him.

    He's demented enough to do exactly that ... and i don't want my kids involved in in any resulting gunshot reception quota.

    Replies: @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    Steve has achieved his highest calling — being the Babylon Bee of Black Murder Statistics.

    He gently lays out today’s potentially absurd woke-ish positions on the subject, only to have said positions be embraced by the very people who are ostensibly being mocked!!

    Bringing you tomorrow’s woke positions today!! The T-Shirt franchise is sure to be lucrative.

    If there are multiple definitions of “Hell” is the Dictionary of Irony, this particular definition is sure to be there.

  59. @Polistra
    The obvious solution is to put a great big target on the back of every white male in our society. What's that? Mission Accomplished? Oh, I see. If only a certain cohort had ever bothered with target practice. Sigh. Yet another dilemma.

    Black females had the highest risk of being killed by a firearm than females of any other race
     
    Again, it's those racist firearms that are behind all this carnage.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Hannah Katz, @Alice in Wonderland

    Okay Sailer. Six hours, time to set the comments free.

  60. The nexus for this are clubs, gambling, or the acquisition of drugs.

    The rise of club culture among non-gays and non-disco folks is a significant thing in the degradation of our society. After disco, most straight males eschewed “clubs” in this country outside of blacks. Then in the late 90’s rap music pushed “clubbing” as cool, and suddenly non-blacks males started going to clubs a lot, instead of the usual bar joint to pick up girls.

    Clubs breed a lot more violence, drug use, and casual sex than bars.

  61. If only blacks could shoot straight….

  62. @Muggles
    @Jonathan Mason

    So what you're saying is those "murder for disrespect' happenings are a cultural appropriation?

    Damn, those white folks didn't invent anything good.

    Replies: @Icy Blast, @e.272

    Thomas Sowell goes into this in “Black Rednecks and White Liberals”. His thesis is that American slaves picked up gun-slinging honor culture from southern rednecks who had immigrated from rural England. Those blacks migrated north after the Civil War and again during industrial build-ups of the WWs took it on board. Sounds plausible.

    I remember having a 20-minute flight connection at JFK back in the mid-90s. Some dago was blocking the aisle on the plane I was trying to get off of while he made time with a stewardess. I’m not so good with patience and diplomacy, so after five minutes watching this I say “Yo, pizzano, get the fuck out the way.” I wasn’t going to win the fight that broke out so I was grateful for the airline security staff’s intervention.

    Honor culture!

    • LOL: JMcG
  63. @Wilkey
    @SafeNow

    What seems to upset blacks the most is that they, like children, have to live in a much more authoritarian society than whites just to have a solid shot at having a functional society.

    And there is no way to square that circle. Either cops are going to have to be as trusting of blacks as they are of whites, and crime in black communities will continue to get worse, or whites will have to get used to being questioned and harassed by cops as often as blacks - an all the extra costs which go along with that.

    Replies: @Thomas, @Marty, @Polistra

    This is wrong – relatively few blacks get stopped by cops anyway. No, what upsets blacks the most is that society’s goodies don’t go to those best equipped to win a fight. They have no idea that a commercial society doesn’t run on, “I’ll fuck you up.”

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @Marty


    No, what upsets blacks the most is that society’s goodies don’t go to those best equipped to win a fight.
     
    Well given that Europe conquered basically all of Africa, and without all that much effort, "those best equipped to win a fight"...would be whites.
  64. @Thomas

    I don’t see one word in the report or the USA Today write-up about the demographics of the homicide victims’ victimizers.
     
    At minimum, 30% of the people who read this story will assume that all those homicided Black Bodies were killed by Whites, probably Trump-supporting white extremists and/or police.

    Replies: @Luzzatto

    The Democrat run mainstream media are extremely obsessed with news stories involving Black Transgender sex workers who are murdered but not extremely obsessed with who is murdering Black Transgender sex workers.

    But in the comment sections of these news stories there are always extremely uninformed Democrat voters saying stuff like when is Drumpf’s White Supremacist death cult going to stop murdering Black Transgender bodies.

    That’s what happens when news stories purposely leave out the fact that it’s Black men who are murdering Black Transgender sex workers and not MAGA!

    • Replies: @Templar
    @Luzzatto

    I have no statistics or citations to back this up (and certainly no personal experience)
    But I would bet my mortgage that black tranny sex workers are even more likely to commit murder than to be the murder victim.

  65. @Thomas
    @Wilkey


    What seems to upset blacks the most is that they, like children, have to live in a much more authoritarian society than whites just to have a solid shot at having a functional society.
     
    I try not to pay more attention to the wit and wisdom of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez than I have to. One gem she came out with last year though was to say that a community with the police abolished would be "a suburb," like the one she grew up in. Nobody of course would ever publicly point out to her that "a white community, with perhaps a few people like you thrown in for flavor, is a suburb without the police. A black community without the police is a ghetto."

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @Luzzatto

    AOC likes to claim that she grew up in The South Bronx which in the 1970s was the site of all those burning buildings (Remember the famous The Bronx Is Burning comment during a Yankees game in 1977) and the inspiration for the 1970s film The Warriors!

    • Replies: @Thomas
    @Luzzatto

    Uh yeah, no. She lived in Parkchester until she was five. It's the Bronx but it isn't the South Bronx. And she was born more than a decade after the Bronx is Burning. Her family moved to Westchester County five years later, where she was known as "Sandy Ocasio."

    Replies: @Pericles

  66. @Wilkey
    @SafeNow

    What seems to upset blacks the most is that they, like children, have to live in a much more authoritarian society than whites just to have a solid shot at having a functional society.

    And there is no way to square that circle. Either cops are going to have to be as trusting of blacks as they are of whites, and crime in black communities will continue to get worse, or whites will have to get used to being questioned and harassed by cops as often as blacks - an all the extra costs which go along with that.

    Replies: @Thomas, @Marty, @Polistra

    Either cops are going to have to be as trusting of blacks as they are of whites, and crime in black communities will continue to get worse, or whites will have to get used to being questioned and harassed by cops as often as blacks – an all the extra costs which go along with that.

    This may twist your mind a bit, but what you’ve just described is a white notion of ‘justice’. The Black™ notion–the ‘Restorative Justice’ version–is for Blacks™ never to be ‘questioned and harassed’ ever. No matter what they’re doing.

    They’ve been taught by decades of mass-media entertainment/propaganda that this is what whites have always enjoyed, and they figure it’s their turn. You and I know that mass-media entertainment/propaganda is an endless flood of lies, but you and I are in an extreme minority. And we have no voice in the public square. We’re not the puppetmasters. We’re not even the puppets. We’re the targets.

  67. @anon12
    Hey Steve,

    When did black out of wedlock childbirth rates hit the 70-75% range? If you add 16 to that year, would it line up with the latest increases in the murder rates? If it's a contributing factor, then even if we could return to good policing policies, it won't get us back to previous murder rates.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    My vague impression is that 1991 was the peak year for out of wedlock teen mother births among blacks.

  68. @Buffalo Joe
    Steve, OT but is cuomo being nudged off his thone? Two sexual harassment charges now in the Buffalo News and AOC calling for an investigation lead by a person with supoena power.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Known Fact, @Sick 'n Tired, @fish

    Would you rather be on the hook for 2 BS sexual harassment cases, or from the thousands of elderly deaths you caused by exposing them to sick patients, and then cooked the books on to hide the truth?

  69. @HWR
    If I’m reading these numbers right, if 2019 numbers persist, a black male has a greater than 2% chance of being a gunshot homicide victim in his lifetime. That doesn’t include stabbings or the 2020 increase in homicides, of course.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    St. Louis in 2020 had 80 homicides per 100,000 people. So that’s like, say, 70 per 25,000 black men, or 0.28% per year. If you tried to live for 70 years in St. Louis as a black man, with the 2020 murder rate, you’d have 19.6% chance of being murdered.

    (OK, I’m doing this over-simplistically, I know there are better ways to calculate this.)

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @Steve Sailer

    In 2020, 262 people were murdered in St Louis. That's over 2.5 times as many murders as the 103 people who were murdered in Utah in 2020. The population of St Louis (45% black) is about 300,000. The population of Utah (1% black) is 3,200,000.

    Jackson, Mississippi (160,000 people, 80% black) had the 2nd highest murder rate last year. Utah is literally 20 times larger than Jackson, yet Jackson had 25% more murders (129 v. 103).

    My wife and I lived in a Southern city for a couple of years not long after we were married. There is really no explaining to people in whiter parts of the country just how violent these places are unless they've actually lived in one of them. People really just don't get it. They also don't get what it's like to make a wrong turn into the "wrong part of town" and have blacks (including children) looking at you and shouting racial epithets at you in the manner they still assume that whites are doing to blacks (which I never once witnessed while we lived there).

    They have no idea what it's like to walk into a gas station full of black men and have every one of them look at you like they're ready to kill you. It's creepy to think that I may be alive today only because I had the exact amount of cash for my purchase, and didn't have to wait around for change.

    Replies: @anon, @Luzzatto, @anon12

  70. @Abe
    I gotta toot my own horn a bit here. I’ve been watching THE MIND OF AARON HERNANDEZ Netflix documentary while working out lately. Lot of interesting revelations, though I haven’t been following the case too closely so maybe that’s just me.

    One is that the Hernandez Family is a sort of Build-a-Hispanic lab. Combine Aaron’s father, Dennis- a Puerto Rican with visible African ancestry- and his mom, Terri- a run-of-the-mill New England Italian-American- and you get: Aaron and his brother DJ, basically white America’s platonic ideal of what a Mexican should look like (and I guess confirming the estimates of ~25% well-mixed African ancestry for most non-elite Mexicans).

    Other interesting part was how white Aaron’s black fiancé was (the fact that they put out Christmas cards as a family , that she even banished him to a man-cave in his own mansion, I think merits giving her a more respectful title than “baby mama”). A lot of candid, taped prison phone-calls are played and she speaks well (even affecting a sort of valley girl uptalk tic) and even demonstrates that ne plus ultra signal of gentry white respectability- chiding Aaron for calling prison trannies (as he describes them basically men with tits bolted up front) “things”. “O my god, they’re human beings too, Aaron!”

    Anyway, to get back on topic, Aarons’ short, brutish life confirms my own intuited theory of why even extremely successful (usually through sports/music) minorities (i.e. blacks) still have such [email protected]’d up lives. Aaron Hernandez killed two men over a stupid beef at a club right before signing a $40 million contract with the Pats. Based on other indicators he may have indeed been psychotic (possibly from repeated brain injury), but his trajectory is hardly uncommon. The basic check-points are this: lower-class black achieves extraordinary success through sports or entertainment, buys mansion in a super-upscale, super-white neighborhood, realizes that he doesn’t want to go to Rotary Club dinners or edit Wikipedia from his den the rest of his life, then like a moth to a fire is drawn back to the unsavory characters from his old neighborhood, or unsavory characters like from his old neighborhood, or unsavory characters like the ones he’d imagine populating the neighborhood he wish’d he’d grown up in if he happens to have grown up more-or-less middle class.

    The nexus for this are clubs, gambling, or the acquisition of drugs. But in the end all that means is no matter how much worldly success is thrown at them, how many millions their bank accounts are flush with, stupid, self-destructive behavior often leading to gun-play is something society (i.e. whites) simply cannot save them from- Hernandez’s trajectory is basically the same one followed by GIANTS wide receiver Plexico Burress (jailed on gun play charges), Puff Daddy (not jailed on gun charges, just evaded them after engaging in gun play at a club), Pop Smoke/Tupac Shakur/Biggie Smalls (all killed by low-level gangbangers after some club beef for because they looked like juicy robbery targets given all their conspicuously displayed wealth).

    Replies: @Jim Christian, @Pericles

    Don’t forget Ray Carruth, corner for the Panthers who murdered his preggers girlfriend 25 or so years ago. The baby lived, he was released from prison a year or three back. Probably wanted to look after his surviving child.

    • Replies: @Abe
    @Jim Christian


    Don’t forget Ray Carruth, corner for the Panthers who murdered his preggers girlfriend
     
    And of course Michael Vick. He was only charged with animal abuse, I think, but his “scene” of acquaintances was large enough to run a dog-fighting ring, so it is a certainty Vick chose to never be more than one step removed from drugs, guns, gambling, various forms of theft & intimidation, etc. Better than being bored to death in a rich, white super-zip.
  71. Anonymous[391] • Disclaimer says:

    if young blacks on average are 20x more likely than young whites to be shot dead, then they are at least 20x more likely to shoot somebody dead.

    How does that follow, Steve?

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
    @Anonymous

    - Blacks are already overrepresented more than that among known murderers.
    - Clearance rates in da hood are abysmal (13% for Chicongo).
    - The UCR counts Mexes, Rabs and Joos as "White" when they perpetrate but as separate when they victimate, and for certain technical reasons there is no Crime Victimization Survey for murder.
    -> It is therefore safe to assume that most Whites get caught and black overrepresentation is even higher among those who get away.

    Alternatively, there might be a vast and cunning conspiracy of Trump voting waycisses who seek out aspiring rocket surgeons to murder (and nothing else) but never get caught (probably because they are donning blackface) while the beautiful brilliant angelic little yoof are so stupid they stumble in every (wayciss, White; but I repeat myself) police trap.

    Choose your poison, Watson.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @FPD72, @Luzzatto

  72. @Marty
    @Wilkey

    This is wrong - relatively few blacks get stopped by cops anyway. No, what upsets blacks the most is that society’s goodies don’t go to those best equipped to win a fight. They have no idea that a commercial society doesn’t run on, “I’ll fuck you up.”

    Replies: @Wilkey

    No, what upsets blacks the most is that society’s goodies don’t go to those best equipped to win a fight.

    Well given that Europe conquered basically all of Africa, and without all that much effort, “those best equipped to win a fight”…would be whites.

  73. @unit472
    Sailer seems to believe the rot set in at Ferguson when Michael Brown was shot to death for acting like a 'gentle giant'. But to me, the thing began with Trayvon Martin getting blown away by a swarthy hispanic male who objected to having his head slammed into a concrete sidewalk.That was in 2012.

    Here we had the POTUS opining that 'if he had a son he would have looked like Trayvon Martin'. But there was no way Trayvon Martin was going to be America's next Neil Armstrong. He was a 17 year old POS born to two POS who got what he was looking for and it wasn't to be the first man to land on Mars.

    Replies: @JMcG, @nokangaroos

    Trayvon really got Tennessee Coats a lot of attention too. It was his big break.

    • Agree: Abe
  74. @Luzzatto
    @Thomas

    AOC likes to claim that she grew up in The South Bronx which in the 1970s was the site of all those burning buildings (Remember the famous The Bronx Is Burning comment during a Yankees game in 1977) and the inspiration for the 1970s film The Warriors!

    Replies: @Thomas

    Uh yeah, no. She lived in Parkchester until she was five. It’s the Bronx but it isn’t the South Bronx. And she was born more than a decade after the Bronx is Burning. Her family moved to Westchester County five years later, where she was known as “Sandy Ocasio.”

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @Thomas

    Lol, Sandy from the block, huh? All these Democrat women spicing up their boring, coddled histories.

  75. @Steve Sailer
    @HWR

    St. Louis in 2020 had 80 homicides per 100,000 people. So that's like, say, 70 per 25,000 black men, or 0.28% per year. If you tried to live for 70 years in St. Louis as a black man, with the 2020 murder rate, you'd have 19.6% chance of being murdered.

    (OK, I'm doing this over-simplistically, I know there are better ways to calculate this.)

    Replies: @Wilkey

    In 2020, 262 people were murdered in St Louis. That’s over 2.5 times as many murders as the 103 people who were murdered in Utah in 2020. The population of St Louis (45% black) is about 300,000. The population of Utah (1% black) is 3,200,000.

    Jackson, Mississippi (160,000 people, 80% black) had the 2nd highest murder rate last year. Utah is literally 20 times larger than Jackson, yet Jackson had 25% more murders (129 v. 103).

    My wife and I lived in a Southern city for a couple of years not long after we were married. There is really no explaining to people in whiter parts of the country just how violent these places are unless they’ve actually lived in one of them. People really just don’t get it. They also don’t get what it’s like to make a wrong turn into the “wrong part of town” and have blacks (including children) looking at you and shouting racial epithets at you in the manner they still assume that whites are doing to blacks (which I never once witnessed while we lived there).

    They have no idea what it’s like to walk into a gas station full of black men and have every one of them look at you like they’re ready to kill you. It’s creepy to think that I may be alive today only because I had the exact amount of cash for my purchase, and didn’t have to wait around for change.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Wilkey


    My wife and I lived in a Southern city for a couple of years not long after we were married. There is really no explaining to people in whiter parts of the country just how violent these places are unless they’ve actually lived in one of them. People really just don’t get it. They also don’t get what it’s like to make a wrong turn into the “wrong part of town” and have blacks (including children) looking at you and shouting racial epithets at you.

    They have no idea what it’s like to walk into a gas station full of black men and have every one of them look at you like they’re ready to kill you. It’s creepy to think that I may be alive today only because I had the exact amount of cash for my purchase, and didn’t have to wait around for change.
     
    Is there something significant about the “Southern” aspect of this? Are these areas more violent than black areas in the Northeast, Midwest, and West Coast?

    Replies: @Wilkey, @John Johnson, @Known Fact

    , @Luzzatto
    @Wilkey

    When White Democrats from Blue States move to The South they prefer to reside in cities like Austin and Nashville which are less Black than the typical average Southern city. Talk the Woke but won't walk the Woke!

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @anon12
    @Wilkey

    Pittsburgh. 1995. Two white soldiers (reservists) in uniform show up at the drill hall sputtering. They weren't from Pittsburgh and had stopped at an ATM to get some cash. Little black girl told them they were the wrong color to be in that neighborhood. They were in uniform. What you saw in Jackson, MS happens up north, too.

    Daughter, who's as easy going as can be, and is subject to constant political correctness at UPitt, said her friends all joked about how slowly blacks walk across crosswalks compared to whites and asians.

    She and her friends also know the "H" rule in Pittsburgh. Never go to neighborhoods that start with the letter "H", Homewood, Hazelwood, Homestead. It's not strictly true. There are good H neighborhoods and bad neighborhoods that don't start with H, but it's a good start.

    I don't think people are as naive as you think. They just don't make a habit of talking about it. Of course, I have siblings who live in lily white, very wealthy, neighborhoods who are as politically correct as they come. No guesses why. Wealth insulates you and safety dulls your senses. Easier to spout pious platitudes than grapple with an unpleasant reality.

  76. @Buffalo Joe
    Steve, OT but is cuomo being nudged off his thone? Two sexual harassment charges now in the Buffalo News and AOC calling for an investigation lead by a person with supoena power.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Known Fact, @Sick 'n Tired, @fish

    DNC clearing the field (on both coasts) of likely 2024 opponents for VP “Heels Up”!

  77. anon[401] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wilkey
    @Steve Sailer

    In 2020, 262 people were murdered in St Louis. That's over 2.5 times as many murders as the 103 people who were murdered in Utah in 2020. The population of St Louis (45% black) is about 300,000. The population of Utah (1% black) is 3,200,000.

    Jackson, Mississippi (160,000 people, 80% black) had the 2nd highest murder rate last year. Utah is literally 20 times larger than Jackson, yet Jackson had 25% more murders (129 v. 103).

    My wife and I lived in a Southern city for a couple of years not long after we were married. There is really no explaining to people in whiter parts of the country just how violent these places are unless they've actually lived in one of them. People really just don't get it. They also don't get what it's like to make a wrong turn into the "wrong part of town" and have blacks (including children) looking at you and shouting racial epithets at you in the manner they still assume that whites are doing to blacks (which I never once witnessed while we lived there).

    They have no idea what it's like to walk into a gas station full of black men and have every one of them look at you like they're ready to kill you. It's creepy to think that I may be alive today only because I had the exact amount of cash for my purchase, and didn't have to wait around for change.

    Replies: @anon, @Luzzatto, @anon12

    My wife and I lived in a Southern city for a couple of years not long after we were married. There is really no explaining to people in whiter parts of the country just how violent these places are unless they’ve actually lived in one of them. People really just don’t get it. They also don’t get what it’s like to make a wrong turn into the “wrong part of town” and have blacks (including children) looking at you and shouting racial epithets at you.

    They have no idea what it’s like to walk into a gas station full of black men and have every one of them look at you like they’re ready to kill you. It’s creepy to think that I may be alive today only because I had the exact amount of cash for my purchase, and didn’t have to wait around for change.

    Is there something significant about the “Southern” aspect of this? Are these areas more violent than black areas in the Northeast, Midwest, and West Coast?

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @anon


    Is there something significant about the “Southern” aspect of this?
     
    Not necessarily. But I think that Southern cities are black in a way that other cities aren’t. Non-Southern cities have black sections, sure, but in the South the central business district (or what used to be the central business district) is often dominated by blacks in a way it’s not elsewhere, and the entire metro area has a huge, and sometimes majority or near majority of blacks. New York and San Francisco, etc., have black sections, but they aren’t black in the way that, say, Atlanta is black, and they probably never will be. It’s different in rather significant ways.

    Incidentally, the house we lived in when we lived there was the first house we ever owned. It was a modest starter home in a mostly white, middle class neighborhood when we were there. When we went back through, about a decade after we left, the neighborhood had been completely taken over, and virtually all of the nearby retail, including an entire shopping mall, had been shuttered or transformed. My suspicion is that it was finally done in by Section 8 housing.

    , @John Johnson
    @anon

    Is there something significant about the “Southern” aspect of this? Are these areas more violent than black areas in the Northeast, Midwest, and West Coast?

    They are not because the Black criminals of the South are aware that they will do hard time for violent crime, especially against civilians.

    A city like Baltimore is far more dangerous because there are 16 year olds running around without any fear of retribution. They can shoot you in the leg and not even get a year. The jails over overcrowded and the North is filled with White and Black DAs that still blame Whites for everything. You see Shawnte wouldn't have jacked your car and knocked your teeth out if you weren't a racist. In the South there is more support for law and order.

    That isn't to say that the South is a safe place. But I wouldn't worry about visiting cities like Memphis or Jackson. The danger is more in having to stop on the way there at night. In general I wouldn't drive around the South at night unless you know what you are doing.

    , @Known Fact
    @anon

    Kersey last year had one of his columns on black mayhem coming to some place you wouldn't expect, like Iowa -- and commenters from the Midwest were claiming that their blacks are actually more vicious and feral than East Coast hoodrats. Like, which state has the best bbq or pizza.

  78. @Wilkey
    @Steve Sailer

    In 2020, 262 people were murdered in St Louis. That's over 2.5 times as many murders as the 103 people who were murdered in Utah in 2020. The population of St Louis (45% black) is about 300,000. The population of Utah (1% black) is 3,200,000.

    Jackson, Mississippi (160,000 people, 80% black) had the 2nd highest murder rate last year. Utah is literally 20 times larger than Jackson, yet Jackson had 25% more murders (129 v. 103).

    My wife and I lived in a Southern city for a couple of years not long after we were married. There is really no explaining to people in whiter parts of the country just how violent these places are unless they've actually lived in one of them. People really just don't get it. They also don't get what it's like to make a wrong turn into the "wrong part of town" and have blacks (including children) looking at you and shouting racial epithets at you in the manner they still assume that whites are doing to blacks (which I never once witnessed while we lived there).

    They have no idea what it's like to walk into a gas station full of black men and have every one of them look at you like they're ready to kill you. It's creepy to think that I may be alive today only because I had the exact amount of cash for my purchase, and didn't have to wait around for change.

    Replies: @anon, @Luzzatto, @anon12

    When White Democrats from Blue States move to The South they prefer to reside in cities like Austin and Nashville which are less Black than the typical average Southern city. Talk the Woke but won’t walk the Woke!

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Luzzatto

    When White Democrats from Blue States move to The South they prefer to reside in cities like Austin and Nashville which are less Black than the typical average Southern city. Talk the Woke but won’t walk the Woke!

    This is correct and Austin is becoming the SF of the south. California liberals move there and pretend to value diversity while living with Whites.

    Nashville is a different story though. Sure it is mostly White but it is close enough to Memphis to where any White liberals moving there will get the taste of diversity they have always pretended to desire.

  79. @Abe
    I gotta toot my own horn a bit here. I’ve been watching THE MIND OF AARON HERNANDEZ Netflix documentary while working out lately. Lot of interesting revelations, though I haven’t been following the case too closely so maybe that’s just me.

    One is that the Hernandez Family is a sort of Build-a-Hispanic lab. Combine Aaron’s father, Dennis- a Puerto Rican with visible African ancestry- and his mom, Terri- a run-of-the-mill New England Italian-American- and you get: Aaron and his brother DJ, basically white America’s platonic ideal of what a Mexican should look like (and I guess confirming the estimates of ~25% well-mixed African ancestry for most non-elite Mexicans).

    Other interesting part was how white Aaron’s black fiancé was (the fact that they put out Christmas cards as a family , that she even banished him to a man-cave in his own mansion, I think merits giving her a more respectful title than “baby mama”). A lot of candid, taped prison phone-calls are played and she speaks well (even affecting a sort of valley girl uptalk tic) and even demonstrates that ne plus ultra signal of gentry white respectability- chiding Aaron for calling prison trannies (as he describes them basically men with tits bolted up front) “things”. “O my god, they’re human beings too, Aaron!”

    Anyway, to get back on topic, Aarons’ short, brutish life confirms my own intuited theory of why even extremely successful (usually through sports/music) minorities (i.e. blacks) still have such [email protected]’d up lives. Aaron Hernandez killed two men over a stupid beef at a club right before signing a $40 million contract with the Pats. Based on other indicators he may have indeed been psychotic (possibly from repeated brain injury), but his trajectory is hardly uncommon. The basic check-points are this: lower-class black achieves extraordinary success through sports or entertainment, buys mansion in a super-upscale, super-white neighborhood, realizes that he doesn’t want to go to Rotary Club dinners or edit Wikipedia from his den the rest of his life, then like a moth to a fire is drawn back to the unsavory characters from his old neighborhood, or unsavory characters like from his old neighborhood, or unsavory characters like the ones he’d imagine populating the neighborhood he wish’d he’d grown up in if he happens to have grown up more-or-less middle class.

    The nexus for this are clubs, gambling, or the acquisition of drugs. But in the end all that means is no matter how much worldly success is thrown at them, how many millions their bank accounts are flush with, stupid, self-destructive behavior often leading to gun-play is something society (i.e. whites) simply cannot save them from- Hernandez’s trajectory is basically the same one followed by GIANTS wide receiver Plexico Burress (jailed on gun play charges), Puff Daddy (not jailed on gun charges, just evaded them after engaging in gun play at a club), Pop Smoke/Tupac Shakur/Biggie Smalls (all killed by low-level gangbangers after some club beef for because they looked like juicy robbery targets given all their conspicuously displayed wealth).

    Replies: @Jim Christian, @Pericles

    The crab wants back in the bucket.

  80. @Thomas
    @Luzzatto

    Uh yeah, no. She lived in Parkchester until she was five. It's the Bronx but it isn't the South Bronx. And she was born more than a decade after the Bronx is Burning. Her family moved to Westchester County five years later, where she was known as "Sandy Ocasio."

    Replies: @Pericles

    Lol, Sandy from the block, huh? All these Democrat women spicing up their boring, coddled histories.

  81. Abe says:
    @Jim Christian
    @Abe

    Don't forget Ray Carruth, corner for the Panthers who murdered his preggers girlfriend 25 or so years ago. The baby lived, he was released from prison a year or three back. Probably wanted to look after his surviving child.

    Replies: @Abe

    Don’t forget Ray Carruth, corner for the Panthers who murdered his preggers girlfriend

    And of course Michael Vick. He was only charged with animal abuse, I think, but his “scene” of acquaintances was large enough to run a dog-fighting ring, so it is a certainty Vick chose to never be more than one step removed from drugs, guns, gambling, various forms of theft & intimidation, etc. Better than being bored to death in a rich, white super-zip.

  82. @Luzzatto
    @Thomas

    The Democrat run mainstream media are extremely obsessed with news stories involving Black Transgender sex workers who are murdered but not extremely obsessed with who is murdering Black Transgender sex workers.

    But in the comment sections of these news stories there are always extremely uninformed Democrat voters saying stuff like when is Drumpf's White Supremacist death cult going to stop murdering Black Transgender bodies.

    That's what happens when news stories purposely leave out the fact that it's Black men who are murdering Black Transgender sex workers and not MAGA!

    Replies: @Templar

    I have no statistics or citations to back this up (and certainly no personal experience)
    But I would bet my mortgage that black tranny sex workers are even more likely to commit murder than to be the murder victim.

  83. @unit472
    Sailer seems to believe the rot set in at Ferguson when Michael Brown was shot to death for acting like a 'gentle giant'. But to me, the thing began with Trayvon Martin getting blown away by a swarthy hispanic male who objected to having his head slammed into a concrete sidewalk.That was in 2012.

    Here we had the POTUS opining that 'if he had a son he would have looked like Trayvon Martin'. But there was no way Trayvon Martin was going to be America's next Neil Armstrong. He was a 17 year old POS born to two POS who got what he was looking for and it wasn't to be the first man to land on Mars.

    Replies: @JMcG, @nokangaroos

    Violent crime dropped across the board from the Crack Wars to 2006 when it began to flatline, driven exclusively by resurgent black bilence (all others are still falling); it´s not like they were dragged, kicking and screaming, into a carnage they wanted no piece of (by White supremicisses, that is).

    Three strikes laws, minimum sentences, stop and frisk and broken windows worked –
    as long as they were allowed to;
    but attention spans and memories keep getting shorter.

  84. @Reg Cæsar

    nearly 14 times more likely
    eight times more likely...
    four times more likely...

     

    A "journalist" is a reporter who was never properly taught to write. Or think.

    Other statoids from the report:

     

    Careful. You could get a year's suspension for injecting anabolic statoids.

    But here’s an informative graph if you can decode the intentionally confusing color coding

     

    It's reassuring to know that black men settle down once they reach 75. But what's with old white men? Is it suicides that miss the target?

    Nada Hassanein
    USA TODAY
     
    Nada Hassanein = Sane Asian hand.


    https://centerforhealthjournalism.org/sites/default/files/pictures/picture-100136-1553779207.jpg

    Replies: @nokangaroos

    The peacable black geezers are a statistical artefact –
    it´s just that black males usually succumb to multiorgan failure from substance abuse around age 45.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @nokangaroos


    ...it´s just that black males usually succumb to multiorgan failure from substance abuse around age 45.

     

    Or 46.



    https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/14D63/production/_112574358_floyd_afp.jpg
  85. @Anonymous

    if young blacks on average are 20x more likely than young whites to be shot dead, then they are at least 20x more likely to shoot somebody dead.
     
    How does that follow, Steve?

    Replies: @nokangaroos

    – Blacks are already overrepresented more than that among known murderers.
    – Clearance rates in da hood are abysmal (13% for Chicongo).
    – The UCR counts Mexes, Rabs and Joos as “White” when they perpetrate but as separate when they victimate, and for certain technical reasons there is no Crime Victimization Survey for murder.
    -> It is therefore safe to assume that most Whites get caught and black overrepresentation is even higher among those who get away.

    Alternatively, there might be a vast and cunning conspiracy of Trump voting waycisses who seek out aspiring rocket surgeons to murder (and nothing else) but never get caught (probably because they are donning blackface) while the beautiful brilliant angelic little yoof are so stupid they stumble in every (wayciss, White; but I repeat myself) police trap.

    Choose your poison, Watson.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @nokangaroos

    Seriously, a large percentage of murders committed by whites are domestic or of the bar fight variety, both of which have a high clearance rate among whites. True Crime shows like 20/20 profile a lot of domestic murders motivated by $175k insurance policies in which the two digit IQ murderer is eventually caught because ... who else is the beneficiary of the $175k insurance policy?

    There are also, I presume, a number (likely tiny) of professional hit man murders committed by expert white mercenaries who typically get away with their crimes. Frederick Forsyth made a career off of them, but, somehow, I don't think they are representative of the average murderer.

    Replies: @TWS

    , @FPD72
    @nokangaroos


    and for certain technical reasons there is no Crime Victimization Survey for murder.
     
    The “technical reason” why murder is not included in the Bureau of Justice Statistics’ National Crime Victimization Survey is because dead people don’t answer survey questions.
    , @Luzzatto
    @nokangaroos

    Yeah I am sure the gun violence rate among Whites would be significantly lower if those pesky Jews were not counted as White sarcasm. Seriously do you actually believe gun violence is even a thing in the Jewish community. WASPs are way more likely to commit gun violence than Jews!

  86. @nokangaroos
    @Anonymous

    - Blacks are already overrepresented more than that among known murderers.
    - Clearance rates in da hood are abysmal (13% for Chicongo).
    - The UCR counts Mexes, Rabs and Joos as "White" when they perpetrate but as separate when they victimate, and for certain technical reasons there is no Crime Victimization Survey for murder.
    -> It is therefore safe to assume that most Whites get caught and black overrepresentation is even higher among those who get away.

    Alternatively, there might be a vast and cunning conspiracy of Trump voting waycisses who seek out aspiring rocket surgeons to murder (and nothing else) but never get caught (probably because they are donning blackface) while the beautiful brilliant angelic little yoof are so stupid they stumble in every (wayciss, White; but I repeat myself) police trap.

    Choose your poison, Watson.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @FPD72, @Luzzatto

    Seriously, a large percentage of murders committed by whites are domestic or of the bar fight variety, both of which have a high clearance rate among whites. True Crime shows like 20/20 profile a lot of domestic murders motivated by $175k insurance policies in which the two digit IQ murderer is eventually caught because … who else is the beneficiary of the $175k insurance policy?

    There are also, I presume, a number (likely tiny) of professional hit man murders committed by expert white mercenaries who typically get away with their crimes. Frederick Forsyth made a career off of them, but, somehow, I don’t think they are representative of the average murderer.

    • Agree: nokangaroos
    • Replies: @TWS
    @Steve Sailer

    Only had one true contract killer in custody. Guy was scary and none of the other inmates talked when he was in the day room. They would all cluster at the other side of the room and watch tv quietly. The feds had him solid for eight murders but I wonder how many more he got away with.

  87. Everybody talks about the weather.
    Nobody does anything about it.
    Here in Florida we have/had-
    Ten-Twenty-Life.
    Sounds like a great idea. Until they begin to prosecute we who use guns in self-defense.
    Yikes.

  88. @syonredux
    @syonredux

    The Duke of Wellington fought a duel in 1829. Pretty amazing to imagine an in-office PM engaging in that kind of behavior:



    The Duel Fought by the Duke of Wellington and the Earl of Winchilsea – 23 March 1829


    Winchilsea had written a letter expressing his dissatisfaction with Wellington’s religious policy. Once Winchilsea accepted authorship of this letter, the Duke ‘demanded a retraction,’ which was then refused. Wellington demanded ‘reparation’ for so unprovoked an insult – leading to the Saturday morning meeting at Battersea Fields.
     

    The Duke of Wellington arrived on horseback, accompanied by Sir Henry Hardinge, whilst the Earl of Winchilsea and his second, the Earl of Falmouth, arrived by coach and four. The Duke fired first; but the Earl of Winchilsea, unscathed, ‘immediately discharged his pistol in the air.’
     
    https://blog.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/2013/03/23/the-duel-fought-by-the-duke-of-wellington-and-the-earl-of-winchelsea-23-march-1829/

    Replies: @profnasty

    When men were men!
    Our ‘Man’, Andrew Jackson, his wife having been insulated by Henry Clay(?), sent a message.
    “Tell him if ever he insults my wife again, I will board the first train to Richmond and hang him from the nearest tree.”
    On receiving the message, Clay was visibly shaken.
    Because he knew Jackson meant every word.
    Take that Donald Trump.

  89. @anon
    @Wilkey


    My wife and I lived in a Southern city for a couple of years not long after we were married. There is really no explaining to people in whiter parts of the country just how violent these places are unless they’ve actually lived in one of them. People really just don’t get it. They also don’t get what it’s like to make a wrong turn into the “wrong part of town” and have blacks (including children) looking at you and shouting racial epithets at you.

    They have no idea what it’s like to walk into a gas station full of black men and have every one of them look at you like they’re ready to kill you. It’s creepy to think that I may be alive today only because I had the exact amount of cash for my purchase, and didn’t have to wait around for change.
     
    Is there something significant about the “Southern” aspect of this? Are these areas more violent than black areas in the Northeast, Midwest, and West Coast?

    Replies: @Wilkey, @John Johnson, @Known Fact

    Is there something significant about the “Southern” aspect of this?

    Not necessarily. But I think that Southern cities are black in a way that other cities aren’t. Non-Southern cities have black sections, sure, but in the South the central business district (or what used to be the central business district) is often dominated by blacks in a way it’s not elsewhere, and the entire metro area has a huge, and sometimes majority or near majority of blacks. New York and San Francisco, etc., have black sections, but they aren’t black in the way that, say, Atlanta is black, and they probably never will be. It’s different in rather significant ways.

    Incidentally, the house we lived in when we lived there was the first house we ever owned. It was a modest starter home in a mostly white, middle class neighborhood when we were there. When we went back through, about a decade after we left, the neighborhood had been completely taken over, and virtually all of the nearby retail, including an entire shopping mall, had been shuttered or transformed. My suspicion is that it was finally done in by Section 8 housing.

  90. @Polistra
    The obvious solution is to put a great big target on the back of every white male in our society. What's that? Mission Accomplished? Oh, I see. If only a certain cohort had ever bothered with target practice. Sigh. Yet another dilemma.

    Black females had the highest risk of being killed by a firearm than females of any other race
     
    Again, it's those racist firearms that are behind all this carnage.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Hannah Katz, @Alice in Wonderland

    Looking at the graphs, it looks like maybe the legal age for purchasing or possessing firearms should be 40 years old for blacks, Hispanics and Native Americans, in order to protect those communities. It is for their own good. Whites and Asians can remain with the same laws as they clearly do not pose much of a threat to anyone, statistically. Of course this does not disarm the outlaws, but then again, they would continue to possess guns no matter what the laws say.

  91. @JohnnyWalker123
    Young Blacks are insanely violent.

    Even the 6-8:1 ratio might understate the disparity between the 2 races.

    I wonder if there are any places in America in which young White men are scary enough to keep people indoors. Young White Scots-Irish in Appalachia and the rustbelt maybe? Perhaps some residual low-income Irish on the east coast?

    Replies: @John Johnson

    I wonder if there are any places in America in which young White men are scary enough to keep people indoors. Young White Scots-Irish in Appalachia and the rustbelt maybe? Perhaps some residual low-income Irish on the east coast?

    Such a place doesn’t exist.

    Appalachia has some of the worst poverty but is very community oriented.

    Going outside is part of living there.

    This is of course goes against the lie taught in school that crime is merely a matter of economics.

    Criminologists don’t actually argue this but liberals have taken it as fact.

    • Agree: TWS
  92. @Luzzatto
    @Wilkey

    When White Democrats from Blue States move to The South they prefer to reside in cities like Austin and Nashville which are less Black than the typical average Southern city. Talk the Woke but won't walk the Woke!

    Replies: @John Johnson

    When White Democrats from Blue States move to The South they prefer to reside in cities like Austin and Nashville which are less Black than the typical average Southern city. Talk the Woke but won’t walk the Woke!

    This is correct and Austin is becoming the SF of the south. California liberals move there and pretend to value diversity while living with Whites.

    Nashville is a different story though. Sure it is mostly White but it is close enough to Memphis to where any White liberals moving there will get the taste of diversity they have always pretended to desire.

  93. @nokangaroos
    @Anonymous

    - Blacks are already overrepresented more than that among known murderers.
    - Clearance rates in da hood are abysmal (13% for Chicongo).
    - The UCR counts Mexes, Rabs and Joos as "White" when they perpetrate but as separate when they victimate, and for certain technical reasons there is no Crime Victimization Survey for murder.
    -> It is therefore safe to assume that most Whites get caught and black overrepresentation is even higher among those who get away.

    Alternatively, there might be a vast and cunning conspiracy of Trump voting waycisses who seek out aspiring rocket surgeons to murder (and nothing else) but never get caught (probably because they are donning blackface) while the beautiful brilliant angelic little yoof are so stupid they stumble in every (wayciss, White; but I repeat myself) police trap.

    Choose your poison, Watson.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @FPD72, @Luzzatto

    and for certain technical reasons there is no Crime Victimization Survey for murder.

    The “technical reason” why murder is not included in the Bureau of Justice Statistics’ National Crime Victimization Survey is because dead people don’t answer survey questions.

  94. @anon
    @Wilkey


    My wife and I lived in a Southern city for a couple of years not long after we were married. There is really no explaining to people in whiter parts of the country just how violent these places are unless they’ve actually lived in one of them. People really just don’t get it. They also don’t get what it’s like to make a wrong turn into the “wrong part of town” and have blacks (including children) looking at you and shouting racial epithets at you.

    They have no idea what it’s like to walk into a gas station full of black men and have every one of them look at you like they’re ready to kill you. It’s creepy to think that I may be alive today only because I had the exact amount of cash for my purchase, and didn’t have to wait around for change.
     
    Is there something significant about the “Southern” aspect of this? Are these areas more violent than black areas in the Northeast, Midwest, and West Coast?

    Replies: @Wilkey, @John Johnson, @Known Fact

    Is there something significant about the “Southern” aspect of this? Are these areas more violent than black areas in the Northeast, Midwest, and West Coast?

    They are not because the Black criminals of the South are aware that they will do hard time for violent crime, especially against civilians.

    A city like Baltimore is far more dangerous because there are 16 year olds running around without any fear of retribution. They can shoot you in the leg and not even get a year. The jails over overcrowded and the North is filled with White and Black DAs that still blame Whites for everything. You see Shawnte wouldn’t have jacked your car and knocked your teeth out if you weren’t a racist. In the South there is more support for law and order.

    That isn’t to say that the South is a safe place. But I wouldn’t worry about visiting cities like Memphis or Jackson. The danger is more in having to stop on the way there at night. In general I wouldn’t drive around the South at night unless you know what you are doing.

  95. Anonymous[428] • Disclaimer says:

    Just more cultural Marxist agit prop from USA Today. What else is new?
    This one written by Nada Hassanein, no doubt a 3rd world immigrant (or the offspring of one). I wonder why hasn’t Ms. Hassanein hasn’t shared the CDC data comparing young male Asian and black death rates from guns??? Perhaps it’s because she’s prejudiced against white Americans and want to unfairly malign them? Makes you wonder why she (or her parents) decided to immigrate to this racist hellhole in the first place.

  96. @syonredux
    @Jonathan Mason

    The popularity of dueling among social elites in the 18th-early 19th centuries is fascinating. Weird how it was particularly popular in Britain with medical men and lawyers:


    By the 1780s, the values of the duel had spread into the broader and emerging society of gentlemen. Research shows that much the largest group of later duellists were military officers, followed by the young sons of the metropolitan elite (see Banks, A Polite Exchange of Bullets). Dueling was also popular for a time among doctors and, in particular, in the legal professions. Quantifying the number of duels in Britain is difficult, but there are about 1,000 attested between 1785 and 1845 with fatality rates at least 15% and probably somewhat higher.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duel#Great_Britain_and_Ireland

    Replies: @syonredux, @Mike Tre

    “Weird how it was particularly popular in Britain with medical men and lawyers:”

    Maybe we could get Jack D and ThatWouldBeTrolling to re-popularize the practice.

  97. The National Center for Health Statistics, a division of the CDC, collects data from death certificates throughout the states and territories. They publish the data and it can be retrieved at CDC.GOV/NCHS Death certificates are standardized.
    The data shows homicides by race, ethnicity, age, state and much more. It does not include who committed the homicides as death certificates do not include this information. Nevertheless, black women, black men and black children die of homicide at much higher rates than do other races.
    Did the white man next door kill the crying baby? Obviously not.

  98. @Thomas
    @SafeNow


    It’s too bad that police are not sufficiently funded, because a total defense to racism charges would be to stop-question-frisk more whites than blacks. In other words, police would profile and stop vast numbers of white and Asian pharmacists, accountants, electricians, and so on.
     
    You think your proposal is facetious. But it's been the subject of a book years ago by a prominent legal scholar and "critical theorist" at Columbia Law, who presented it entirely in earnest.

    https://www.amazon.com/Against-Prediction-Profiling-Punishing-Actuarial/dp/0226316149

    I assume you're not going to read the book, but he explains the thesis in this podcast. It's worth listening to, not for the argument itself, which is obviously ridiculous, but for a case study in how intellectual and academic sophistry can justify anything, no matter how daft.

    https://soundcloud.com/uchicagolaw/bernard-harcourt-against

    Replies: @bomag

    Thanks.

    Seems to stem from the desire to be nice. We announce that “all men are created equal “, which is nice for those who really aren’t. Then, when the equal outcomes don’t show up, residents of clown world conclude that we must ball peen hammer those who don’t measure down.

  99. The graph at the end works but as indicated earlier in the piece it doesn’t show who’s pulling the trigger, I guess that means that we are not to know this little bit of info.

  100. @Anon
    OT

    Normally you would expect the New York Times to be ranting about how those Republican hillbillies think climate change is a conspiracy.

    But today they have a piece on those who have a "family tradition of having a second or third refrigerator," and they tell us that "nearly 20 percent of Black Americans have them, as do 22 percent of Latinos, and 1/3rd of Native Americans," so it's O.K.

    The comments are people fondly discussing the merits of multi-fridges (big families, batch cooking, entertaining, rural living far from stores), and New York renters carping about climate change and obesity.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/23/dining/two-refrigerators.html

    On a couple of occasions I've done energy audits of my dwelling (roommate discussions about how to split the bills), and it comes down to fridge and heating/cooling. That's most of your energy bill. Lighting, even incandescent, is trivial. So two or three fridges, especially older ones, would really raise your electricity usage. If Americans do this, so will the Chinese eventually, then Indians, Indonesians, Malaysians, Africans who don't migrate elsewhere. My verdict: Forget about climate change. Live for the moment!

    Replies: @AndrewR

    My fridge has been unplugged for years. I never buy anything that can’t sit at room temperature for days. I also never use my A/C. I’m a fan of fans. And in the winter my house generally stays below 55°.

    • Replies: @anon
    @AndrewR

    MRE's are not really all that good for you in the long term, y'know.

  101. @nokangaroos
    @Anonymous

    - Blacks are already overrepresented more than that among known murderers.
    - Clearance rates in da hood are abysmal (13% for Chicongo).
    - The UCR counts Mexes, Rabs and Joos as "White" when they perpetrate but as separate when they victimate, and for certain technical reasons there is no Crime Victimization Survey for murder.
    -> It is therefore safe to assume that most Whites get caught and black overrepresentation is even higher among those who get away.

    Alternatively, there might be a vast and cunning conspiracy of Trump voting waycisses who seek out aspiring rocket surgeons to murder (and nothing else) but never get caught (probably because they are donning blackface) while the beautiful brilliant angelic little yoof are so stupid they stumble in every (wayciss, White; but I repeat myself) police trap.

    Choose your poison, Watson.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @FPD72, @Luzzatto

    Yeah I am sure the gun violence rate among Whites would be significantly lower if those pesky Jews were not counted as White sarcasm. Seriously do you actually believe gun violence is even a thing in the Jewish community. WASPs are way more likely to commit gun violence than Jews!

  102. @nokangaroos
    @Reg Cæsar

    The peacable black geezers are a statistical artefact -
    it´s just that black males usually succumb to multiorgan failure from substance abuse around age 45.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    …it´s just that black males usually succumb to multiorgan failure from substance abuse around age 45.

    Or 46.

    • LOL: nokangaroos
  103. @Paperback Writer
    @Buffalo Joe

    He's in hot water about the nursing home deaths, suddenly. Now this.

    Replies: @Muggles

    He’s in hot water about the nursing home deaths, suddenly. Now this.

    re: Cuomo and sexual harassment accusations.

    Yes, all of the truthiness about the Gov suddenly appears after the dust is settled with the elections and the Dem mafia is eyeing the future. They are lining up early for future positions.

    Cuomo was highly touted as a near saint, the nursing home deaths well known, and I’m sure the Albany rumor mill about wandering eyes/hands has known about the Gov’s habits.

    Yet suddenly, like jackals smelling blood, even the previously laudatory MSM (“Emmy winning Governor”) has grown silent about his virtues. As if on cue, facts of nursing home death cover-ups are being revealed and credible accusations by female staffers are given air time.

    While I can only applaud the slow emergence of truth, I’m putting these “revelations” about the sainted Gov. in the “It’s No Accident” file.

    • Agree: Abe, AnotherDad
  104. But here’s an informative graph if you can decode the intentionally confusing color coding

    It’s not so confusing; it’s a graph about crime, and one color’s bars are way taller than the others.

  105. @Barack Obama's secret Unz account
    What's the CDC collecting homicide stats for?

    I actually recall now that they've been doing this for a while. In the Obama era, I only ever heard of the CDC in connection to gun violence. They must have been scrabbling for relevance and funding, like NASA doing Muslim outreach.

    Lucky for them this deadly pandemic came along, eh?

    Replies: @Barack Obama's secret Unz account, @Known Fact

    The CDC merrily weighs in on guns because anything liberals or minorities don’t like — e.g. law enforcement or slavery — can now be framed as a “public health issue.”

  106. Finland has a high homicide rate compared to Western or Northern Europe, but a fairly low overall crime rate. This analysis attributes the difference to alcohol rage. It includes several charts of rankings, including deaths attributable to drink. Women rank somewhat differently from men.

    Why is Finland’s crime rate so much higher than other Nordic and Western European countries?

    Killings in Finland are almost always unplanned, second-degree or manslaughter in our terms. What percentage of US homicides fall on either side of the planned/unplanned divide? How do these differ by race?

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Reg Cæsar


    Finland has a high homicide rate compared to Western or Northern Europe, but a fairly low overall crime rate. This analysis attributes the difference to alcohol rage.
     
    Don't forget that Finns are about 10% Siberian in genetics.
  107. @Mr. Anon

    • After years of decline (from 2006-2011), the firearm homicide rate fluctuated before an
    astronomical rise from 2014 to 2015.
     
    Astronomical? Did she mean that it rose by orders of magnitude? Journalists of all people should be taught that using Grammerly is not a substitute for actually knowing how to write english prose.

    So homicides declined between 2006-2011. During that whole time, gun ownership rates were at least as high as the five years before that. Gun purchase rates were probably higher for much of that time; there was a large wave in gun buying after Obama was elected.

    As always, the pervasiveness of guns in America is uncorrelated with murder rates. Yet liberals still use the "gun crime" canard.

    Replies: @Known Fact

    Reporters choose “astronomical,” because it sounds more serious and sciencey than “whopping.” But “soaring,” “skyrocketing” and “massive” are also handy choices.

  108. @anon
    @Wilkey


    My wife and I lived in a Southern city for a couple of years not long after we were married. There is really no explaining to people in whiter parts of the country just how violent these places are unless they’ve actually lived in one of them. People really just don’t get it. They also don’t get what it’s like to make a wrong turn into the “wrong part of town” and have blacks (including children) looking at you and shouting racial epithets at you.

    They have no idea what it’s like to walk into a gas station full of black men and have every one of them look at you like they’re ready to kill you. It’s creepy to think that I may be alive today only because I had the exact amount of cash for my purchase, and didn’t have to wait around for change.
     
    Is there something significant about the “Southern” aspect of this? Are these areas more violent than black areas in the Northeast, Midwest, and West Coast?

    Replies: @Wilkey, @John Johnson, @Known Fact

    Kersey last year had one of his columns on black mayhem coming to some place you wouldn’t expect, like Iowa — and commenters from the Midwest were claiming that their blacks are actually more vicious and feral than East Coast hoodrats. Like, which state has the best bbq or pizza.

  109. @AndrewR
    @Anon

    My fridge has been unplugged for years. I never buy anything that can't sit at room temperature for days. I also never use my A/C. I'm a fan of fans. And in the winter my house generally stays below 55°.

    Replies: @anon

    MRE’s are not really all that good for you in the long term, y’know.

  110. @zoos
    Uhhh as usual, a dumb teen mother and no father in the home breeds authority oppositional defiance disorder. Add a heaping helping of narcissistic personality disorder that has long plagued American black people, and we have the perfect recipe for black women as well as men getting shot in the ass.

    This has been going on a looong time. Nothing new.

    It’s a black thing black people can't seem to understand.

    https://youtu.be/wx_pQ08VxNw

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind

    I guess this has gone “viral”?

    Is this the post-Floyd mode of how the police take a criminal suspect into custody? They just stand there with guns drawn and pointed that they let the situation resolve peacefully at the suspects own pace?

    Not that anything is wrong with that.

    My question is why didn’t this woman just walk away? Would the police have given chase?

    • LOL: AndrewR
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Inquiring Mind

    It's a dude lol. But he's relatively passable. Looks a lot better than Rachel Levine...

    The surreality of this video is just next-level. But I'm glad they let him finish getting his drink on.

  111. @Wilkey
    @Steve Sailer

    In 2020, 262 people were murdered in St Louis. That's over 2.5 times as many murders as the 103 people who were murdered in Utah in 2020. The population of St Louis (45% black) is about 300,000. The population of Utah (1% black) is 3,200,000.

    Jackson, Mississippi (160,000 people, 80% black) had the 2nd highest murder rate last year. Utah is literally 20 times larger than Jackson, yet Jackson had 25% more murders (129 v. 103).

    My wife and I lived in a Southern city for a couple of years not long after we were married. There is really no explaining to people in whiter parts of the country just how violent these places are unless they've actually lived in one of them. People really just don't get it. They also don't get what it's like to make a wrong turn into the "wrong part of town" and have blacks (including children) looking at you and shouting racial epithets at you in the manner they still assume that whites are doing to blacks (which I never once witnessed while we lived there).

    They have no idea what it's like to walk into a gas station full of black men and have every one of them look at you like they're ready to kill you. It's creepy to think that I may be alive today only because I had the exact amount of cash for my purchase, and didn't have to wait around for change.

    Replies: @anon, @Luzzatto, @anon12

    Pittsburgh. 1995. Two white soldiers (reservists) in uniform show up at the drill hall sputtering. They weren’t from Pittsburgh and had stopped at an ATM to get some cash. Little black girl told them they were the wrong color to be in that neighborhood. They were in uniform. What you saw in Jackson, MS happens up north, too.

    Daughter, who’s as easy going as can be, and is subject to constant political correctness at UPitt, said her friends all joked about how slowly blacks walk across crosswalks compared to whites and asians.

    She and her friends also know the “H” rule in Pittsburgh. Never go to neighborhoods that start with the letter “H”, Homewood, Hazelwood, Homestead. It’s not strictly true. There are good H neighborhoods and bad neighborhoods that don’t start with H, but it’s a good start.

    I don’t think people are as naive as you think. They just don’t make a habit of talking about it. Of course, I have siblings who live in lily white, very wealthy, neighborhoods who are as politically correct as they come. No guesses why. Wealth insulates you and safety dulls your senses. Easier to spout pious platitudes than grapple with an unpleasant reality.

  112. @Polistra
    The obvious solution is to put a great big target on the back of every white male in our society. What's that? Mission Accomplished? Oh, I see. If only a certain cohort had ever bothered with target practice. Sigh. Yet another dilemma.

    Black females had the highest risk of being killed by a firearm than females of any other race
     
    Again, it's those racist firearms that are behind all this carnage.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Hannah Katz, @Alice in Wonderland

    Nah, it’s those racist black males…

    There was a 66x difference in risk of firearm homicide between Black males and Asian females (the highest and lowest risk demographics, respectively). …

    … and just proximity to black males.

    Who is in closest proximity to black males?

    black males

    Who is farthest from black males?

    apparently Asian females, about 66x farther away.

    • Replies: @Luzzatto
    @Alice in Wonderland

    Extremely surprising that Asian females are the demographic group in The U.S that are the least likely to be victims of gun violence when factoring in that so many Asian women open up malt liquor stores/bodegas in extremely seedy Black neighborhoods. I thought White women would be the demographic group in The U.S who are the least likely to be victims of gun violence because not even the most Woke White females would ever open up any type of business in a seedy Black neighborhood for fear for their physical safety!

  113. @Redneck farmer
    As you've pointed out Steve, guns=whites, while crime=blacks. This is a story about guns.
    And will the media ever admit that some of the lives lost are good riddance?

    Replies: @jo shmo, @Kibernetika

    And will the media ever admit that some of the lives lost are good riddance?

    only to themselves.

    Which is why they also promote policies that will exacerbate the situation of blacks killing blacks and criminals killing criminals.

  114. @Inquiring Mind
    @zoos

    I guess this has gone "viral"?

    Is this the post-Floyd mode of how the police take a criminal suspect into custody? They just stand there with guns drawn and pointed that they let the situation resolve peacefully at the suspects own pace?

    Not that anything is wrong with that.

    My question is why didn't this woman just walk away? Would the police have given chase?

    Replies: @AndrewR

    It’s a dude lol. But he’s relatively passable. Looks a lot better than Rachel Levine…

    The surreality of this video is just next-level. But I’m glad they let him finish getting his drink on.

  115. @Alice in Wonderland
    @Polistra

    Nah, it's those racist black males...




    There was a 66x difference in risk of firearm homicide between Black males and Asian females (the highest and lowest risk demographics, respectively). …
     
    ... and just proximity to black males.

    Who is in closest proximity to black males?

    black males

    Who is farthest from black males?

    apparently Asian females, about 66x farther away.

    Replies: @Luzzatto

    Extremely surprising that Asian females are the demographic group in The U.S that are the least likely to be victims of gun violence when factoring in that so many Asian women open up malt liquor stores/bodegas in extremely seedy Black neighborhoods. I thought White women would be the demographic group in The U.S who are the least likely to be victims of gun violence because not even the most Woke White females would ever open up any type of business in a seedy Black neighborhood for fear for their physical safety!

  116. @Redneck farmer
    As you've pointed out Steve, guns=whites, while crime=blacks. This is a story about guns.
    And will the media ever admit that some of the lives lost are good riddance?

    Replies: @jo shmo, @Kibernetika

    And if you’ve ever confronted a guy pointing a firearm at you — and lived to type about it — patterns are noticed.

  117. @Reg Cæsar
    Finland has a high homicide rate compared to Western or Northern Europe, but a fairly low overall crime rate. This analysis attributes the difference to alcohol rage. It includes several charts of rankings, including deaths attributable to drink. Women rank somewhat differently from men.


    Why is Finland's crime rate so much higher than other Nordic and Western European countries?


    Killings in Finland are almost always unplanned, second-degree or manslaughter in our terms. What percentage of US homicides fall on either side of the planned/unplanned divide? How do these differ by race?

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Finland has a high homicide rate compared to Western or Northern Europe, but a fairly low overall crime rate. This analysis attributes the difference to alcohol rage.

    Don’t forget that Finns are about 10% Siberian in genetics.

  118. This ought to be of some interest:

    https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/data-reveals-race-gender-political-affiliations-mass-murderers/

    It appears that – among mass shooters – whites and Hispanics are underrepresented while blacks, Asians, Middle Easterners, and American Indians are overrepresented. It appears, though, that the the black and Asian overrepresentation is relatively minor. The two categories that are massively overrepresented are Middle Easterners – only 0.4% of the population, but 7.6% of the mass shooters, meaning overrepresented by 19x – and American Indians – 1% of the population and 3.8% of the mass shooters.

    Similarly, Christians and Jews are underrepresented while Muslims are vastly overrepresented – 0.8% of the population, yet 9% of the mass shooters or 11.25x the population share.

    • Replies: @Luzzatto
    @Twinkie

    Non Hispanic Native American mass shooters? I can not name any off the top of my head. They must all take place on the reservations where The Democrat Run Mainstream Media does not care what goes on in there. Either that or these mass shootings are committed by people who self identify themselves as Native Americans but have a White phenotype, so people just assume they are White mass shooters by their physical appearance!

  119. TWS says:
    @Wilkey
    @Jack D


    Steve, I’m sorry to say that you have this all wrong. Cops profile young black men because cops are racist.
     
    And this really is the problem. In a society with limited resources, cops have to be able to use their judgment and experience (i.e., racial stereotypes) to guess who is worth questioning and who is not. Outlawing racial profiling - blacks are most likely to be illegally carrying weapons and drugs, Muslims are most likely to be terrorists, Hispanics (especially those with accents) are most likely to be here illegally - effectively means that you either have more crime, or that you have a much more expensive and heavy handed government - or both.

    We’ve barred law enforcement from using logic, we’re seeing the result, and yet we’re shocked. NYT headline from tomorrow: “Racial profiling has been banned, yet violence keeps going up.”

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @TWS

    When I first started in law enforcement many moons ago my state prohibited using race to profile. The state to our immediate south did not. Same ethnic breakdown, same culture but their profile stops were well over 75% accurate while we had to work essentially at random for the same thing. My state simply didn’t do those interdiction stops we depended on our neighbor to stop the traffic. Thus we also didn’t develop the same quality Intel and contacts.

  120. TWS says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @nokangaroos

    Seriously, a large percentage of murders committed by whites are domestic or of the bar fight variety, both of which have a high clearance rate among whites. True Crime shows like 20/20 profile a lot of domestic murders motivated by $175k insurance policies in which the two digit IQ murderer is eventually caught because ... who else is the beneficiary of the $175k insurance policy?

    There are also, I presume, a number (likely tiny) of professional hit man murders committed by expert white mercenaries who typically get away with their crimes. Frederick Forsyth made a career off of them, but, somehow, I don't think they are representative of the average murderer.

    Replies: @TWS

    Only had one true contract killer in custody. Guy was scary and none of the other inmates talked when he was in the day room. They would all cluster at the other side of the room and watch tv quietly. The feds had him solid for eight murders but I wonder how many more he got away with.

  121. @Known Fact
    @Buffalo Joe

    So he apparently put thousands of helpless old people at risk of their lives, with deadly results, but now we're supposed to focus instead on him trying to cop a feel? This is how the media works its bait-and-switch

    Replies: @MEH 0910

  122. @Twinkie
    This ought to be of some interest:

    https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/data-reveals-race-gender-political-affiliations-mass-murderers/

    https://gastatic.com/digest/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Screen-Shot-2021-02-19-at-Friday-February-19-9.01-PM-768x176-1.png

    https://gastatic.com/digest/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Religious-affiliation-of-mass-public-shooters-768x134-1.png

    It appears that - among mass shooters - whites and Hispanics are underrepresented while blacks, Asians, Middle Easterners, and American Indians are overrepresented. It appears, though, that the the black and Asian overrepresentation is relatively minor. The two categories that are massively overrepresented are Middle Easterners - only 0.4% of the population, but 7.6% of the mass shooters, meaning overrepresented by 19x - and American Indians - 1% of the population and 3.8% of the mass shooters.

    Similarly, Christians and Jews are underrepresented while Muslims are vastly overrepresented - 0.8% of the population, yet 9% of the mass shooters or 11.25x the population share.

    Replies: @Luzzatto

    Non Hispanic Native American mass shooters? I can not name any off the top of my head. They must all take place on the reservations where The Democrat Run Mainstream Media does not care what goes on in there. Either that or these mass shootings are committed by people who self identify themselves as Native Americans but have a White phenotype, so people just assume they are White mass shooters by their physical appearance!

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