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From the New York Times:

How the American Electorate Is Changing
By NIRAJ CHOKSHI NOV. 25, 2016

A decade ago, New Mexico ushered in a demographic trend that is likely to shape American politics for decades to come.

In 2006, it became the first state in the nation whose voting-eligible population switched from being majority white to “majority minority.”

California has since joined that group, according to estimates, and so, too, will Texas by 2019, according to three demographic experts. Nine more states are expected to reach the tipping point before 2052, when, those experts say, the national electorate will become majority minority, too.

“The map is going to continue to change,” said Ruy Teixeira, a co-director of the States of Change project, a collaboration among the liberal Center for American Progress, the Brookings Institution and the conservative American Enterprise Institute, which published the predictions in a pair of reports this year and last year. The projections are based on migration, fertility and mortality trends and could be affected by changes to policy.

You can see from this map why the GOP had so much Electoral College success this year running an Alt Centrist candidate who was more appealing to moderate whites living near the Canadian Border than the usual Sunbelt candidates Republicans have nominated since Nixon.

 
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  1. Alt Centrist

    You need to copyright this term so we can avoid the confusion and fight over what it means.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @iffen

    Alt right
    Alt centrist
    Alt left

    What's consistent? Anything?

    Replies: @candid_observer

  2. Nine more states are expected to reach the tipping point before 2052

    The projections are based on migration, fertility and mortality trends and could be affected by changes to policy.

    Wait — you mean changing demographics isn’t a natural phenomenon like the weather? We can do something about this?

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @BenKenobi

    Wait — you mean changing demographics isn’t a natural phenomenon like the weather? We can do something about this?

    Yes, but policy means very little if white men don't return to a) dating for the purpose of marrying rather than shagging; b) actually marrying; c) shagging for the purposes of reproduction (preferably after marriage).

    Policy means nothing if white people aren't reproducing.

    As a bonus, married women are more likely to vote Republican. More married white women equals more votes for Republicans.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Opinionator, @Maj. Kong

  3. That map is telling. As a practical matter, the US as the country left for the posterity of the original US citizens including gains like the Louisiana purchase, has begun to shrink. That shriveled up Northern area is what is left, and the lower third is Greater Mexico. A sad state of affairs. Why is the tail allowed to wag the dog?

    • Replies: @boogerbently
    @Anonym

    We need to split into a Red USA and a Blue USA.

    Replies: @Anonym, @eD

    , @Corvinus
    @Anonym

    "As a practical matter, the US as the country left for the posterity of the original US citizens including gains like the Louisiana purchase, has begun to shrink."

    Except the Founding Fathers enabled Congress to expand that posterity to include various groups of people.

  4. OT
    From propornot.com (“Your Friendly Neighborhood Propaganda Identification Service”) on November 9:

    An Initial Set of Sites That Reliably Echo Russian Propaganda
    … For purposes of this definition it does not matter whether the sites listed here are being knowingly directed and paid by Russian intelligence officers, or whether they even knew they were echoing Russian propaganda at any particular point: If they meet these criteria, they are at the very least acting as bona-fide “useful idiots” of the Russian intelligence services, and are worthy of further scrutiny.

    Among the c.200 (!) sites listed: amren.com, consortiumnews.com, davidstockmanscontracorner.com, drudgereport.com, lewrockwell.com, ronpaulinstitute.org, unz.com, vdare.com, zerohedge.com.

    A week later they published a reduced list of 20 hard-core (“source”) sites — from the ones listed above only Ron Paul and Zero Hedge made the cut — the remaining “secondary sites” functioning merely as “repeaters”.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @for-the-record

    http://fortune.com/2016/11/25/russian-fake-news/

    , @Hockamaw
    @for-the-record

    Lew Rockwell, Ron Paul and Drudge are Russian propaganda now? Jesus Christ, talk about fake news. And these idiots are probably making a good living dreaming up this stuff.

    , @Almost Missouri
    @for-the-record

    1. "Fake News" is fake news.

    2. SJWs always project.

  5. Data visualization could provide some further information for citizens. Consider maps that show the percentages of the following:

    Welfare takers
    Education level
    Unemployment level
    Political party

    Then look at some combination of the above, perhaps adding income or other items, to derive a type of Misery Index or Heat Index analog. That could prove informative, particularly if viewed across time to show trends visually. A simple example of that was used to great effect in looking at house price increases and decreases by zip code in LA and in Silicon Valley by a UCLA economist. You could look at the slide show and get a sense of the areas heating up and cooling down, and which areas had the greatest impacts.

    • Replies: @Some Economist
    @Ivy

    Also prose illiteracy rates:
    https://www.missourieconomy.org/newsletter/literacy.stm

  6. @iffen
    Alt Centrist

    You need to copyright this term so we can avoid the confusion and fight over what it means.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    Alt right
    Alt centrist
    Alt left

    What’s consistent? Anything?

    • Replies: @candid_observer
    @Chrisnonymous


    Alt right
    Alt centrist
    Alt left

    What’s consistent? Anything?
     

    Nationalism.

    Of course, the media, in its malicious idiot way, insists on depicting everybody in the alt-right as being a white nationalist and/or white supremacist and/or a neo-Nazi.

    Replies: @candid_observer

  7. Ruy Teixeira was pushing just a few years ago for the federal government to totally transform public schools into ‘full-service’ or ‘community’ schools. If I recall, the term he loved was ‘all-day, all-year schools’ (if one can even imagine such a dystopian nightmare forced upon the defenseless American child).

    After all, the Browning of America must continue on schedule, and gringos must recognize that Juan and Lupe’s kids need lavish meals, free WiFi and vaccinations… ASAP!

    Note that the “States of Change project” is described as “a collaboration among the liberal Center for American Progress, the Brookings Institution and the conservative American Enterprise Institute”. So glad to hear that the Trotskyist neocons at AEI are now shedding whatever fidelities they may have held to Historic America in order to fully conspire with the CultMarx vanguard. Get out now, Charles Murray!

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    @Marie

    American Enterprise Institute (AEI) operationally defined and/or referred to as "NeoCon Central".

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Marie


    Ruy Teixeira was pushing just a few years ago for the federal government to totally transform public schools into ‘full-service’ or ‘community’ schools
     
    That would ruyn them.

    Why doesn't Ruy go back to Portugal? He'd like the centralization in his homeland.
  8. Does this mean that subconsciously, Canadians are some racist bastards?

  9. @for-the-record
    OT
    From propornot.com ("Your Friendly Neighborhood Propaganda Identification Service") on November 9:

    An Initial Set of Sites That Reliably Echo Russian Propaganda
    ... For purposes of this definition it does not matter whether the sites listed here are being knowingly directed and paid by Russian intelligence officers, or whether they even knew they were echoing Russian propaganda at any particular point: If they meet these criteria, they are at the very least acting as bona-fide "useful idiots" of the Russian intelligence services, and are worthy of further scrutiny.

     

    Among the c.200 (!) sites listed: amren.com, consortiumnews.com, davidstockmanscontracorner.com, drudgereport.com, lewrockwell.com, ronpaulinstitute.org, unz.com, vdare.com, zerohedge.com.

    A week later they published a reduced list of 20 hard-core ("source") sites -- from the ones listed above only Ron Paul and Zero Hedge made the cut -- the remaining "secondary sites" functioning merely as "repeaters".

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Hockamaw, @Almost Missouri

  10. “Majority minority” sounds foolish. They should say “majority non-white”.

    • Replies: @Steven Wilson
    @BB753

    Majority minority reminds me of a report on the rioting in Paris a few years back. With a straight and utterly clueless face, the North African immigrants were described (labeled?) as "African-Americans." It would have been pointless to insist they were French.

    You can't make this stuff up.
    Well, you could, but there's no need.

  11. @Marie
    Ruy Teixeira was pushing just a few years ago for the federal government to totally transform public schools into 'full-service' or 'community' schools. If I recall, the term he loved was 'all-day, all-year schools' (if one can even imagine such a dystopian nightmare forced upon the defenseless American child).

    After all, the Browning of America must continue on schedule, and gringos must recognize that Juan and Lupe's kids need lavish meals, free WiFi and vaccinations... ASAP!

    Note that the "States of Change project" is described as "a collaboration among the liberal Center for American Progress, the Brookings Institution and the conservative American Enterprise Institute". So glad to hear that the Trotskyist neocons at AEI are now shedding whatever fidelities they may have held to Historic America in order to fully conspire with the CultMarx vanguard. Get out now, Charles Murray!

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @Reg Cæsar

    American Enterprise Institute (AEI) operationally defined and/or referred to as “NeoCon Central”.

  12. Ummm, you guys do know whites will soon be a minirity

    Soon you feel the pain you have reeked on People of color

    It will be well earned.

    • Troll: IHTG
    • Replies: @fred c dobbs
    @Tiny Duck

    TD. Semi-literate clown.

    , @black sea
    @Tiny Duck

    Dear Tiny,

    "Write Drunk, Edit Sober."

    --E. Hemingway

    , @a Newsreader
    @Tiny Duck

    You know, People of Color don't like being ruled by non-whites either. There's a reason they keep moving to white-ruled countries.

    , @RadicalCenter
    @Tiny Duck

    Well, Tiny Dick, if you've ever taken a taxi driven by a Pakistani or Indian, you'd know that we are not the ones doing the "reeking."

  13. Ok except those sunbelt conservatives are 4 for 5 in elections. So far the non-Sun Belt candidates are 1 for 3. I don’t know how to classify GHWB so I’m omitting him from these numbers. Trump was my candidate this year so I’m excited he won- but i don’t really see what regionalism has to do with it. Using the current electoral map Trump got 13 more EVs that Bush would have gotten and Bush convincing won the popular vote.

  14. @Anonym
    That map is telling. As a practical matter, the US as the country left for the posterity of the original US citizens including gains like the Louisiana purchase, has begun to shrink. That shriveled up Northern area is what is left, and the lower third is Greater Mexico. A sad state of affairs. Why is the tail allowed to wag the dog?

    Replies: @boogerbently, @Corvinus

    We need to split into a Red USA and a Blue USA.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    @boogerbently

    We need to split into a Red USA and a Blue USA.

    It’s already split. It's just a matter of territory size.

    I like this huffpo map.

    http://bigthink.com/strange-maps/the-world-according-to-trump

    Replies: @boogerbently

    , @eD
    @boogerbently

    "We need to split into a Red USA and a Blue USA."

    People make too much of these maps, which are an artifact of how the media covers the presidential results and the electoral college.

    Most states really don't deviate too far from the national popular vote. But in close elects, they have to go to one side or another, but the actual margins are not that small. Four out of the last five presidential elections, or five out of the last seven going back to 1992, have seen national popular vote margins of under 5%. There have been periods of history where that has been the norm, but between 1920 and 1984, national landslides with large popular vote margins and not much deviation became common.

    Since the 1990s, the split has increasingly been metropolitan area vs outside large metropolitan area (or rural), due largely to the Clintonite Democratic strategy of abandoning working class white voters, who have been priced out of most of the metropolitan areas, and going after suburban voters. The most recent election was the high point of this split. We will see if the Donks double down or back away from this, and if the Republicans seize the obvious opening with white working class voters (you get the impression that Republican establishment doesn't really want anything to do with them either).

    Anyway, if you go by the 2000 map, which had a similar popular vote -electoral vote reversal, the states of Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania flipped to the GOP, while New Hampshire, Virginia, Colorado, and Nevada flipped to the Donks. This is pretty interesting in itself, but the point is that these things are not really that stable. Except for Michigan, these states plus Ohio and Florida, and maybe North Carolina and Oregon, were always on everyone's list of purple/ swing states.

  15. “population switched from being majority white to “majority minority.””

    Then, by definition, wouldn’t us white folk qualify for job and educational preferences, low income housing, generational welfare….

  16. “Alt Centrist candidate who was more appealing to moderate whites living near the Canadian Border than the usual Sunbelt candidates Republicans have nominated since Nixon.”

    And not without irony, the Alt Centrist now president-elect has proposed building a border wall; it will not stretch along the Canadian Border, but instead will stretch along the Southern Border, where quite a few Sunbelt states will be directly affected (TX; NM; AZ; CA).

  17. @Tiny Duck
    Ummm, you guys do know whites will soon be a minirity

    Soon you feel the pain you have reeked on People of color

    It will be well earned.

    Replies: @fred c dobbs, @black sea, @a Newsreader, @RadicalCenter

    TD. Semi-literate clown.

  18. I suppose these projections depend on the employment prospects for immigrants in the coming years. Since the agencies charged with economic forecasting can’t get what is going to happen next year right the ability to see 30 or 40 years into the future is a joke and ignores the effects the recent election might have on the ability of immigrants to enter the USA or find employment if already here That John “pizzagate” Podesta and his Center for American Progress might desire a steady influx of fresh meat isn’t remarkable but whether the rest of the nation wants to cater to his desires is another.

  19. @Tiny Duck
    Ummm, you guys do know whites will soon be a minirity

    Soon you feel the pain you have reeked on People of color

    It will be well earned.

    Replies: @fred c dobbs, @black sea, @a Newsreader, @RadicalCenter

    Dear Tiny,

    “Write Drunk, Edit Sober.”

    –E. Hemingway

  20. @boogerbently
    @Anonym

    We need to split into a Red USA and a Blue USA.

    Replies: @Anonym, @eD

    We need to split into a Red USA and a Blue USA.

    It’s already split. It’s just a matter of territory size.

    I like this huffpo map.

    http://bigthink.com/strange-maps/the-world-according-to-trump

    • Replies: @boogerbently
    @Anonym

    I'm talking split, as in govt, economies and agendas.

  21. @for-the-record
    OT
    From propornot.com ("Your Friendly Neighborhood Propaganda Identification Service") on November 9:

    An Initial Set of Sites That Reliably Echo Russian Propaganda
    ... For purposes of this definition it does not matter whether the sites listed here are being knowingly directed and paid by Russian intelligence officers, or whether they even knew they were echoing Russian propaganda at any particular point: If they meet these criteria, they are at the very least acting as bona-fide "useful idiots" of the Russian intelligence services, and are worthy of further scrutiny.

     

    Among the c.200 (!) sites listed: amren.com, consortiumnews.com, davidstockmanscontracorner.com, drudgereport.com, lewrockwell.com, ronpaulinstitute.org, unz.com, vdare.com, zerohedge.com.

    A week later they published a reduced list of 20 hard-core ("source") sites -- from the ones listed above only Ron Paul and Zero Hedge made the cut -- the remaining "secondary sites" functioning merely as "repeaters".

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Hockamaw, @Almost Missouri

    Lew Rockwell, Ron Paul and Drudge are Russian propaganda now? Jesus Christ, talk about fake news. And these idiots are probably making a good living dreaming up this stuff.

  22. @Chrisnonymous
    @iffen

    Alt right
    Alt centrist
    Alt left

    What's consistent? Anything?

    Replies: @candid_observer

    Alt right
    Alt centrist
    Alt left

    What’s consistent? Anything?

    Nationalism.

    Of course, the media, in its malicious idiot way, insists on depicting everybody in the alt-right as being a white nationalist and/or white supremacist and/or a neo-Nazi.

    • Replies: @candid_observer
    @candid_observer

    One of the most infuriating things about how the malicious idiot media talks about the alt-right, or any of the stripes of nationalism/populism, is its deliberate refusal to make any distinctions, when those distinctions make all the difference in practice between the various political approaches. Of course it does so because its only real interest is in arguing Trumpism=Nazism. It inserts a few intermediaries in its equation to try to convince people:

    Trumpism=Brietbartism=alt-right=white supremacism=Nazi salutes,Heil Trump=Nazism.

    Really, these people went to college, and this is how they think.

    With elites like this, who needs short buses?

    Replies: @Opinionator

  23. @candid_observer
    @Chrisnonymous


    Alt right
    Alt centrist
    Alt left

    What’s consistent? Anything?
     

    Nationalism.

    Of course, the media, in its malicious idiot way, insists on depicting everybody in the alt-right as being a white nationalist and/or white supremacist and/or a neo-Nazi.

    Replies: @candid_observer

    One of the most infuriating things about how the malicious idiot media talks about the alt-right, or any of the stripes of nationalism/populism, is its deliberate refusal to make any distinctions, when those distinctions make all the difference in practice between the various political approaches. Of course it does so because its only real interest is in arguing Trumpism=Nazism. It inserts a few intermediaries in its equation to try to convince people:

    Trumpism=Brietbartism=alt-right=white supremacism=Nazi salutes,Heil Trump=Nazism.

    Really, these people went to college, and this is how they think.

    With elites like this, who needs short buses?

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @candid_observer

    Thanks to Richard Spencer, the media's narrative has a newfound plausibility.

    1. Richard Spencer is the founder/leader of the Alt Right. Or even, Richard Spencer is a leader of the Alt Right. Or even, Richard Spencer represents the Alt Right. Or even, Richard Spencer is a member of the Alt Right.

    2. Richard Spencer sports a Nazi-era "fashy" haircut.

    3. Spencer is on record promoting the idea of an "ethnic cleansing" in the United States.

    4. At an Alt Right meeting in Washington DC last weekend, Spencer is seen on video giving speeches using Nazi terminology and motifs like "Sieg Heil", "Luegenpresse," "Triumph of the Will." At the close of one speech, the video shows him exclaiming "Heil Victory, Heil Trump" and raising his arm in a Nazi salute. Members of the Alt Right in the audience rise and return the Nazi salute.

    5. The video of Spencer gets extensive coverage in the mainstream media throughout the United States, Europe, and Australia.

    6. Alt Right = Nazism

    7. Trump is supported by Spencer and the Alt Right.

    8. Spencer says on the video that "We willed Trump to victory."

    9. Spencer and his group meet on Friday at Trump International Hotel, with media present.

    10. Trump's chief policy advisor Steve Bannon said several months ago that his media company, Breitbart, was the platform for the Alt Right.

    11. Trumpism = Nazism.

    Replies: @Maj. Kong, @RadicalCenter, @Lot

  24. Maps such as this start to show us the probable eventual division of the present United States into different countries.

  25. Anonymous [AKA "HLMessing"] says:

    If a fish rots from the top, what kind of creature/country ‘minoritises’ from the bottom?

  26. @Tiny Duck
    Ummm, you guys do know whites will soon be a minirity

    Soon you feel the pain you have reeked on People of color

    It will be well earned.

    Replies: @fred c dobbs, @black sea, @a Newsreader, @RadicalCenter

    You know, People of Color don’t like being ruled by non-whites either. There’s a reason they keep moving to white-ruled countries.

  27. Anonymous [AKA "jsjdj"] says: • Website

    Trump won by only 9 percent in Texas despite increase white turnout, and depressed minority turnout, 9 percent was the margin of Bush’s victory in Virginia in 2004, and Virginia has been a blue state ever since, so Texas will the next Virginia or california.

    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    @Anonymous

    http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/data.php?year=2016&fips=48&f=0&off=0&elect=0&def=swg&datatype=county

    It looks like a mutiny by the college educated NeverTrump YT/Asians. The GOP retained District 23, which they lost in 2012, and won in 2014.

  28. @for-the-record
    OT
    From propornot.com ("Your Friendly Neighborhood Propaganda Identification Service") on November 9:

    An Initial Set of Sites That Reliably Echo Russian Propaganda
    ... For purposes of this definition it does not matter whether the sites listed here are being knowingly directed and paid by Russian intelligence officers, or whether they even knew they were echoing Russian propaganda at any particular point: If they meet these criteria, they are at the very least acting as bona-fide "useful idiots" of the Russian intelligence services, and are worthy of further scrutiny.

     

    Among the c.200 (!) sites listed: amren.com, consortiumnews.com, davidstockmanscontracorner.com, drudgereport.com, lewrockwell.com, ronpaulinstitute.org, unz.com, vdare.com, zerohedge.com.

    A week later they published a reduced list of 20 hard-core ("source") sites -- from the ones listed above only Ron Paul and Zero Hedge made the cut -- the remaining "secondary sites" functioning merely as "repeaters".

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Hockamaw, @Almost Missouri

    1. “Fake News” is fake news.

    2. SJWs always project.

  29. @BenKenobi

    Nine more states are expected to reach the tipping point before 2052
     

    The projections are based on migration, fertility and mortality trends and could be affected by changes to policy.
     
    Wait -- you mean changing demographics isn't a natural phenomenon like the weather? We can do something about this?

    Replies: @Wilkey

    Wait — you mean changing demographics isn’t a natural phenomenon like the weather? We can do something about this?

    Yes, but policy means very little if white men don’t return to a) dating for the purpose of marrying rather than shagging; b) actually marrying; c) shagging for the purposes of reproduction (preferably after marriage).

    Policy means nothing if white people aren’t reproducing.

    As a bonus, married women are more likely to vote Republican. More married white women equals more votes for Republicans.

    • Agree: Opinionator
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Wilkey

    "Yes, but policy means very little if white men don’t return to a) dating for the purpose of marrying rather than shagging"

    What fun is that? Heartiste and the manosphere want to enjoy the decline. Besides, white men do marry and procreate, it's just that they aren't necessarily buying in to Alt Right philosophy with their offspring.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter, @AnotherDad

    , @Opinionator
    @Wilkey

    Yes, but policy means very little if white men don’t return to a) dating for the purpose of marrying rather than shagging; b) actually marrying; c) shagging for the purposes of reproduction (preferably after marriage).

    These ideas may deserve wider discussion.

    Bringing a few of these threads together, see this excellent video "Did that Alt Right Fumble?" from Uncle Hotep. (Steve, the video may be worth of a blog post.)

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer&v=gQPUgyarEk0&utm_content=buffer00d62&feature=youtu.be&utm_medium=social

    Richard Spencer must be removed.

    Replies: @MarcB

    , @Maj. Kong
    @Wilkey

    For that to occur, feminism needs to be disestablished as the state religion. We would need to go further than defunding it at public universities, we'd have to induce the private sector to engage in mass firings of Sheryl Sandberg types.

  30. @Anonym
    That map is telling. As a practical matter, the US as the country left for the posterity of the original US citizens including gains like the Louisiana purchase, has begun to shrink. That shriveled up Northern area is what is left, and the lower third is Greater Mexico. A sad state of affairs. Why is the tail allowed to wag the dog?

    Replies: @boogerbently, @Corvinus

    “As a practical matter, the US as the country left for the posterity of the original US citizens including gains like the Louisiana purchase, has begun to shrink.”

    Except the Founding Fathers enabled Congress to expand that posterity to include various groups of people.

  31. @Wilkey
    @BenKenobi

    Wait — you mean changing demographics isn’t a natural phenomenon like the weather? We can do something about this?

    Yes, but policy means very little if white men don't return to a) dating for the purpose of marrying rather than shagging; b) actually marrying; c) shagging for the purposes of reproduction (preferably after marriage).

    Policy means nothing if white people aren't reproducing.

    As a bonus, married women are more likely to vote Republican. More married white women equals more votes for Republicans.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Opinionator, @Maj. Kong

    “Yes, but policy means very little if white men don’t return to a) dating for the purpose of marrying rather than shagging”

    What fun is that? Heartiste and the manosphere want to enjoy the decline. Besides, white men do marry and procreate, it’s just that they aren’t necessarily buying in to Alt Right philosophy with their offspring.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    @Corvinus

    No, our point is that white men do NOT marry and procreate in sufficient numbers to maintain even our current share of the population, let alone the much greater share we used to have and need to strive for.

    There are still many, many white men and women who need to get common sense about the survival of our way of life, culture, language, and traditions.

    They need to cast off their indoctrination into this bizarre, antilife culture of neverending hookups, intoxication, abortion, resentment of normal and practical sex roles and family structures, living only for themselves, consumption without need or sound purpose, alienation from their families and home communities, and shame at who they and their ancestors are. And leave the sick and lonely culture of perpetually single thirty and fortysomethings meeting their perpetually single or homosexual friends at the dog park, animals in tow as pathetic substitutes for children. We see these stunned, unhappy, snarky children daily here in Los Angeles.

    Be proud, be fit, be strong, stand up for your family and nation and direct your life and resources towards your own progeny rather than that of alien people.

    Yet be humble enough to pray, keep life simpler, don't view the opposite sex only or primarily as sex objects but enjoy each other after you're engaged or married, and be willing to do the hard work required to perpetuate and protect their families and their nation as opposed to their country or government.

    Get married and have more children and teach them a strong identity, or be outnumbered, marginalized, persecuted, and eventually exterminated or subjugated.

    Oooh, so judgmental.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @AnotherDad
    @Corvinus


    What fun is that?
     
    Huh? Live fire is the very best kind of fun. Not just exercise but the real deal with everything on the line--1000x as exciting. "This is not a drill ... it's really a drill!"
  32. @candid_observer
    @candid_observer

    One of the most infuriating things about how the malicious idiot media talks about the alt-right, or any of the stripes of nationalism/populism, is its deliberate refusal to make any distinctions, when those distinctions make all the difference in practice between the various political approaches. Of course it does so because its only real interest is in arguing Trumpism=Nazism. It inserts a few intermediaries in its equation to try to convince people:

    Trumpism=Brietbartism=alt-right=white supremacism=Nazi salutes,Heil Trump=Nazism.

    Really, these people went to college, and this is how they think.

    With elites like this, who needs short buses?

    Replies: @Opinionator

    Thanks to Richard Spencer, the media’s narrative has a newfound plausibility.

    1. Richard Spencer is the founder/leader of the Alt Right. Or even, Richard Spencer is a leader of the Alt Right. Or even, Richard Spencer represents the Alt Right. Or even, Richard Spencer is a member of the Alt Right.

    2. Richard Spencer sports a Nazi-era “fashy” haircut.

    3. Spencer is on record promoting the idea of an “ethnic cleansing” in the United States.

    4. At an Alt Right meeting in Washington DC last weekend, Spencer is seen on video giving speeches using Nazi terminology and motifs like “Sieg Heil”, “Luegenpresse,” “Triumph of the Will.” At the close of one speech, the video shows him exclaiming “Heil Victory, Heil Trump” and raising his arm in a Nazi salute. Members of the Alt Right in the audience rise and return the Nazi salute.

    5. The video of Spencer gets extensive coverage in the mainstream media throughout the United States, Europe, and Australia.

    6. Alt Right = Nazism

    7. Trump is supported by Spencer and the Alt Right.

    8. Spencer says on the video that “We willed Trump to victory.”

    9. Spencer and his group meet on Friday at Trump International Hotel, with media present.

    10. Trump’s chief policy advisor Steve Bannon said several months ago that his media company, Breitbart, was the platform for the Alt Right.

    11. Trumpism = Nazism.

    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    @Opinionator

    I thought the meeting was at the Reagan Building, not the Trump Hotel.

    Replies: @Opinionator

    , @RadicalCenter
    @Opinionator

    Spencer's either a fool or a government plant. He should not be allowed at any future conferences if we want to reach more voters and citizens and not play into the hands of those who hate white people and other traditional Americans.

    Replies: @Opinionator

    , @Lot
    @Opinionator


    At the close of one speech, the video shows him exclaiming “Heil Victory, Heil Trump” and raising his arm in a Nazi salute. Members of the Alt Right in the audience rise and return the Nazi salute.
     
    Wow, I thought you were joking, but you weren't. A quick youtube search shows he's helping the MSM smear Trump and the "Hail Trump Hail Victory" Nazi salute clip is all over cable news.
  33. @Wilkey
    @BenKenobi

    Wait — you mean changing demographics isn’t a natural phenomenon like the weather? We can do something about this?

    Yes, but policy means very little if white men don't return to a) dating for the purpose of marrying rather than shagging; b) actually marrying; c) shagging for the purposes of reproduction (preferably after marriage).

    Policy means nothing if white people aren't reproducing.

    As a bonus, married women are more likely to vote Republican. More married white women equals more votes for Republicans.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Opinionator, @Maj. Kong

    Yes, but policy means very little if white men don’t return to a) dating for the purpose of marrying rather than shagging; b) actually marrying; c) shagging for the purposes of reproduction (preferably after marriage).

    These ideas may deserve wider discussion.

    Bringing a few of these threads together, see this excellent video “Did that Alt Right Fumble?” from Uncle Hotep. (Steve, the video may be worth of a blog post.)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer&v=gQPUgyarEk0&utm_content=buffer00d62&feature=youtu.be&utm_medium=social

    Richard Spencer must be removed.

    • Replies: @MarcB
    @Opinionator

    The Left doesn't purge the unreasonable voices on their side, so neither should we. It's viewed as a sign of weakness, and makes us look like bed-wetters seeking mainstream approval. Spencer is the perfect foil for the MSM, so don't think his visibility will drop any time soon.

    This is our chance to show solidarity, open mindedness and resolve. It's a better strategy to ignore those mishandling their visibility en masse instead of "removing" prominent activists who have become agitprop performance artists during their time in the spotlight.

  34. @Tiny Duck
    Ummm, you guys do know whites will soon be a minirity

    Soon you feel the pain you have reeked on People of color

    It will be well earned.

    Replies: @fred c dobbs, @black sea, @a Newsreader, @RadicalCenter

    Well, Tiny Dick, if you’ve ever taken a taxi driven by a Pakistani or Indian, you’d know that we are not the ones doing the “reeking.”

  35. @Wilkey
    @BenKenobi

    Wait — you mean changing demographics isn’t a natural phenomenon like the weather? We can do something about this?

    Yes, but policy means very little if white men don't return to a) dating for the purpose of marrying rather than shagging; b) actually marrying; c) shagging for the purposes of reproduction (preferably after marriage).

    Policy means nothing if white people aren't reproducing.

    As a bonus, married women are more likely to vote Republican. More married white women equals more votes for Republicans.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Opinionator, @Maj. Kong

    For that to occur, feminism needs to be disestablished as the state religion. We would need to go further than defunding it at public universities, we’d have to induce the private sector to engage in mass firings of Sheryl Sandberg types.

  36. @Opinionator
    @candid_observer

    Thanks to Richard Spencer, the media's narrative has a newfound plausibility.

    1. Richard Spencer is the founder/leader of the Alt Right. Or even, Richard Spencer is a leader of the Alt Right. Or even, Richard Spencer represents the Alt Right. Or even, Richard Spencer is a member of the Alt Right.

    2. Richard Spencer sports a Nazi-era "fashy" haircut.

    3. Spencer is on record promoting the idea of an "ethnic cleansing" in the United States.

    4. At an Alt Right meeting in Washington DC last weekend, Spencer is seen on video giving speeches using Nazi terminology and motifs like "Sieg Heil", "Luegenpresse," "Triumph of the Will." At the close of one speech, the video shows him exclaiming "Heil Victory, Heil Trump" and raising his arm in a Nazi salute. Members of the Alt Right in the audience rise and return the Nazi salute.

    5. The video of Spencer gets extensive coverage in the mainstream media throughout the United States, Europe, and Australia.

    6. Alt Right = Nazism

    7. Trump is supported by Spencer and the Alt Right.

    8. Spencer says on the video that "We willed Trump to victory."

    9. Spencer and his group meet on Friday at Trump International Hotel, with media present.

    10. Trump's chief policy advisor Steve Bannon said several months ago that his media company, Breitbart, was the platform for the Alt Right.

    11. Trumpism = Nazism.

    Replies: @Maj. Kong, @RadicalCenter, @Lot

    I thought the meeting was at the Reagan Building, not the Trump Hotel.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @Maj. Kong

    The main conference was held at the Reagan Building on Saturday, yes. But on Friday, Spencer met with people--including mainstream media--in the lounge of Trump's new hotel, which is a block away from the Reagan Building.

    It is like he was going out of his way to taint as many people as he could.

    Also, it is one thing to commit a massive PR blunder on your own account. What cannot be forgived is that Spender has encouraged the media to characterize him as the founder or leader of the "Alt Right" and even suggested a connection to the Trump campaign. He has screwed us over and also put at risk the Trump presidency.

  37. @Anonymous
    Trump won by only 9 percent in Texas despite increase white turnout, and depressed minority turnout, 9 percent was the margin of Bush's victory in Virginia in 2004, and Virginia has been a blue state ever since, so Texas will the next Virginia or california.

    Replies: @Maj. Kong

    http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/data.php?year=2016&fips=48&f=0&off=0&elect=0&def=swg&datatype=county

    It looks like a mutiny by the college educated NeverTrump YT/Asians. The GOP retained District 23, which they lost in 2012, and won in 2014.

  38. @Corvinus
    @Wilkey

    "Yes, but policy means very little if white men don’t return to a) dating for the purpose of marrying rather than shagging"

    What fun is that? Heartiste and the manosphere want to enjoy the decline. Besides, white men do marry and procreate, it's just that they aren't necessarily buying in to Alt Right philosophy with their offspring.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter, @AnotherDad

    No, our point is that white men do NOT marry and procreate in sufficient numbers to maintain even our current share of the population, let alone the much greater share we used to have and need to strive for.

    There are still many, many white men and women who need to get common sense about the survival of our way of life, culture, language, and traditions.

    They need to cast off their indoctrination into this bizarre, antilife culture of neverending hookups, intoxication, abortion, resentment of normal and practical sex roles and family structures, living only for themselves, consumption without need or sound purpose, alienation from their families and home communities, and shame at who they and their ancestors are. And leave the sick and lonely culture of perpetually single thirty and fortysomethings meeting their perpetually single or homosexual friends at the dog park, animals in tow as pathetic substitutes for children. We see these stunned, unhappy, snarky children daily here in Los Angeles.

    Be proud, be fit, be strong, stand up for your family and nation and direct your life and resources towards your own progeny rather than that of alien people.

    Yet be humble enough to pray, keep life simpler, don’t view the opposite sex only or primarily as sex objects but enjoy each other after you’re engaged or married, and be willing to do the hard work required to perpetuate and protect their families and their nation as opposed to their country or government.

    Get married and have more children and teach them a strong identity, or be outnumbered, marginalized, persecuted, and eventually exterminated or subjugated.

    Oooh, so judgmental.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @RadicalCenter

    "No, our point is that white men do NOT marry and procreate in sufficient numbers to maintain even our current share of the population, let alone the much greater share we used to have and need to strive for."

    Then you need to make it your personal crusade, one that diligently stands to Roissy and Roosh. Are you prepared to take on this monumental task?

    "There are still many, many white men and women who need to get common sense about the survival of our way of life, culture, language, and traditions."

    Common sense regarding what, "race realism"? Sir, every day people from various walks of life interact with one another. Dare I say they even co-mingle with those from different races. What personal business is it for you to shame whites from exercising their liberties regarding how they view racial relations.

    They need to cast off their indoctrination into this bizarre, antilife culture of neverending hookups, intoxication, abortion, resentment of normal and practical sex roles and family structures, living only for themselves, consumption without need or sound purpose, alienation from their families and home communities, and shame at who they and their ancestors are."

    Again, what are you personally doing about this dire situation other than lament about it on a blog?

    "Yet be humble enough to pray, keep life simpler, don’t view the opposite sex only or primarily as sex objects but enjoy each other after you’re engaged or married, and be willing to do the hard work required to perpetuate and protect their families and their nation as opposed to their country or government."

    You underestimate how many American citizens practice these values.

    "Get married and have more children and teach them a strong identity, or be outnumbered, marginalized, persecuted, and eventually exterminated or subjugated."

    White people aren't being "exterminated" or "subjugated". Talk about indoctrination!

  39. @Opinionator
    @candid_observer

    Thanks to Richard Spencer, the media's narrative has a newfound plausibility.

    1. Richard Spencer is the founder/leader of the Alt Right. Or even, Richard Spencer is a leader of the Alt Right. Or even, Richard Spencer represents the Alt Right. Or even, Richard Spencer is a member of the Alt Right.

    2. Richard Spencer sports a Nazi-era "fashy" haircut.

    3. Spencer is on record promoting the idea of an "ethnic cleansing" in the United States.

    4. At an Alt Right meeting in Washington DC last weekend, Spencer is seen on video giving speeches using Nazi terminology and motifs like "Sieg Heil", "Luegenpresse," "Triumph of the Will." At the close of one speech, the video shows him exclaiming "Heil Victory, Heil Trump" and raising his arm in a Nazi salute. Members of the Alt Right in the audience rise and return the Nazi salute.

    5. The video of Spencer gets extensive coverage in the mainstream media throughout the United States, Europe, and Australia.

    6. Alt Right = Nazism

    7. Trump is supported by Spencer and the Alt Right.

    8. Spencer says on the video that "We willed Trump to victory."

    9. Spencer and his group meet on Friday at Trump International Hotel, with media present.

    10. Trump's chief policy advisor Steve Bannon said several months ago that his media company, Breitbart, was the platform for the Alt Right.

    11. Trumpism = Nazism.

    Replies: @Maj. Kong, @RadicalCenter, @Lot

    Spencer’s either a fool or a government plant. He should not be allowed at any future conferences if we want to reach more voters and citizens and not play into the hands of those who hate white people and other traditional Americans.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @RadicalCenter

    There needs to be a loud and clear disavowal of Spencer. He needs to be dumped completely. No hedging. And if he cares about Americans at all, if he cares about White Americans at all, Spencer himself must make a public apology and give an explanation. And then he must take himself out of politics. I have read the statement he posted on his website. Not sufficient.

    He has opened a wound in our movement, in our body, and it will continue to bleed out until he is addressed.

    We aren't going anywhere so long as there is no split from Spencer.

    Check out the Uncle Hotep YouTube video I posted.

    Replies: @Lot

  40. @boogerbently
    @Anonym

    We need to split into a Red USA and a Blue USA.

    Replies: @Anonym, @eD

    “We need to split into a Red USA and a Blue USA.”

    People make too much of these maps, which are an artifact of how the media covers the presidential results and the electoral college.

    Most states really don’t deviate too far from the national popular vote. But in close elects, they have to go to one side or another, but the actual margins are not that small. Four out of the last five presidential elections, or five out of the last seven going back to 1992, have seen national popular vote margins of under 5%. There have been periods of history where that has been the norm, but between 1920 and 1984, national landslides with large popular vote margins and not much deviation became common.

    Since the 1990s, the split has increasingly been metropolitan area vs outside large metropolitan area (or rural), due largely to the Clintonite Democratic strategy of abandoning working class white voters, who have been priced out of most of the metropolitan areas, and going after suburban voters. The most recent election was the high point of this split. We will see if the Donks double down or back away from this, and if the Republicans seize the obvious opening with white working class voters (you get the impression that Republican establishment doesn’t really want anything to do with them either).

    Anyway, if you go by the 2000 map, which had a similar popular vote -electoral vote reversal, the states of Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania flipped to the GOP, while New Hampshire, Virginia, Colorado, and Nevada flipped to the Donks. This is pretty interesting in itself, but the point is that these things are not really that stable. Except for Michigan, these states plus Ohio and Florida, and maybe North Carolina and Oregon, were always on everyone’s list of purple/ swing states.

  41. @RadicalCenter
    @Opinionator

    Spencer's either a fool or a government plant. He should not be allowed at any future conferences if we want to reach more voters and citizens and not play into the hands of those who hate white people and other traditional Americans.

    Replies: @Opinionator

    There needs to be a loud and clear disavowal of Spencer. He needs to be dumped completely. No hedging. And if he cares about Americans at all, if he cares about White Americans at all, Spencer himself must make a public apology and give an explanation. And then he must take himself out of politics. I have read the statement he posted on his website. Not sufficient.

    He has opened a wound in our movement, in our body, and it will continue to bleed out until he is addressed.

    We aren’t going anywhere so long as there is no split from Spencer.

    Check out the Uncle Hotep YouTube video I posted.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Opinionator


    There needs to be a loud and clear disavowal of Spencer.
     
    No need for a "disavowal."

    What attention whores crave more than anything is further attention, even if negative. People who should know better like Taylor and Brimelow just need to stop showing up at his events.
  42. @Maj. Kong
    @Opinionator

    I thought the meeting was at the Reagan Building, not the Trump Hotel.

    Replies: @Opinionator

    The main conference was held at the Reagan Building on Saturday, yes. But on Friday, Spencer met with people–including mainstream media–in the lounge of Trump’s new hotel, which is a block away from the Reagan Building.

    It is like he was going out of his way to taint as many people as he could.

    Also, it is one thing to commit a massive PR blunder on your own account. What cannot be forgived is that Spender has encouraged the media to characterize him as the founder or leader of the “Alt Right” and even suggested a connection to the Trump campaign. He has screwed us over and also put at risk the Trump presidency.

  43. @Opinionator
    @candid_observer

    Thanks to Richard Spencer, the media's narrative has a newfound plausibility.

    1. Richard Spencer is the founder/leader of the Alt Right. Or even, Richard Spencer is a leader of the Alt Right. Or even, Richard Spencer represents the Alt Right. Or even, Richard Spencer is a member of the Alt Right.

    2. Richard Spencer sports a Nazi-era "fashy" haircut.

    3. Spencer is on record promoting the idea of an "ethnic cleansing" in the United States.

    4. At an Alt Right meeting in Washington DC last weekend, Spencer is seen on video giving speeches using Nazi terminology and motifs like "Sieg Heil", "Luegenpresse," "Triumph of the Will." At the close of one speech, the video shows him exclaiming "Heil Victory, Heil Trump" and raising his arm in a Nazi salute. Members of the Alt Right in the audience rise and return the Nazi salute.

    5. The video of Spencer gets extensive coverage in the mainstream media throughout the United States, Europe, and Australia.

    6. Alt Right = Nazism

    7. Trump is supported by Spencer and the Alt Right.

    8. Spencer says on the video that "We willed Trump to victory."

    9. Spencer and his group meet on Friday at Trump International Hotel, with media present.

    10. Trump's chief policy advisor Steve Bannon said several months ago that his media company, Breitbart, was the platform for the Alt Right.

    11. Trumpism = Nazism.

    Replies: @Maj. Kong, @RadicalCenter, @Lot

    At the close of one speech, the video shows him exclaiming “Heil Victory, Heil Trump” and raising his arm in a Nazi salute. Members of the Alt Right in the audience rise and return the Nazi salute.

    Wow, I thought you were joking, but you weren’t. A quick youtube search shows he’s helping the MSM smear Trump and the “Hail Trump Hail Victory” Nazi salute clip is all over cable news.

  44. @Opinionator
    @RadicalCenter

    There needs to be a loud and clear disavowal of Spencer. He needs to be dumped completely. No hedging. And if he cares about Americans at all, if he cares about White Americans at all, Spencer himself must make a public apology and give an explanation. And then he must take himself out of politics. I have read the statement he posted on his website. Not sufficient.

    He has opened a wound in our movement, in our body, and it will continue to bleed out until he is addressed.

    We aren't going anywhere so long as there is no split from Spencer.

    Check out the Uncle Hotep YouTube video I posted.

    Replies: @Lot

    There needs to be a loud and clear disavowal of Spencer.

    No need for a “disavowal.”

    What attention whores crave more than anything is further attention, even if negative. People who should know better like Taylor and Brimelow just need to stop showing up at his events.

  45. But now Spencer is identified in the public’s mind as the face of the “Alt Right”, its leader. And possibly even linked to Trump. If the Alt Right wishes to continue as a dynamic movement under that heading (or, I would say, even under another heading) it must affirmatively excise Spencer. Otherwise, the current public image will have inertia. And it will be further sustained by continuing airtime in the media. He will continue to be the go to for interviews, etc. by the MSM. For example, apparently, The Atlantic is coming out with a documentary on him in December.

    However much the old guard of Brimelow, Taylor, Devlin may care for Spencer as a person, for the good of themselves and the group, they must cut him loose. As for the new guard, most of the higher IQ people have already broken from the Alt Right (I am referring not just to the big accounts, but to smart private people). It won’t succeed without them.

    • Replies: @Marty T
    @Opinionator

    It really shouldn't be hard to avoid Nazi salutes. There are more clever ways to taunt the left than that, which only turns most people against you.

  46. @Ivy
    Data visualization could provide some further information for citizens. Consider maps that show the percentages of the following:

    Welfare takers
    Education level
    Unemployment level
    Political party

    Then look at some combination of the above, perhaps adding income or other items, to derive a type of Misery Index or Heat Index analog. That could prove informative, particularly if viewed across time to show trends visually. A simple example of that was used to great effect in looking at house price increases and decreases by zip code in LA and in Silicon Valley by a UCLA economist. You could look at the slide show and get a sense of the areas heating up and cooling down, and which areas had the greatest impacts.

    Replies: @Some Economist

  47. @Corvinus
    @Wilkey

    "Yes, but policy means very little if white men don’t return to a) dating for the purpose of marrying rather than shagging"

    What fun is that? Heartiste and the manosphere want to enjoy the decline. Besides, white men do marry and procreate, it's just that they aren't necessarily buying in to Alt Right philosophy with their offspring.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter, @AnotherDad

    What fun is that?

    Huh? Live fire is the very best kind of fun. Not just exercise but the real deal with everything on the line–1000x as exciting. “This is not a drill … it’s really a drill!”

    • Agree: ben tillman
  48. @Marie
    Ruy Teixeira was pushing just a few years ago for the federal government to totally transform public schools into 'full-service' or 'community' schools. If I recall, the term he loved was 'all-day, all-year schools' (if one can even imagine such a dystopian nightmare forced upon the defenseless American child).

    After all, the Browning of America must continue on schedule, and gringos must recognize that Juan and Lupe's kids need lavish meals, free WiFi and vaccinations... ASAP!

    Note that the "States of Change project" is described as "a collaboration among the liberal Center for American Progress, the Brookings Institution and the conservative American Enterprise Institute". So glad to hear that the Trotskyist neocons at AEI are now shedding whatever fidelities they may have held to Historic America in order to fully conspire with the CultMarx vanguard. Get out now, Charles Murray!

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @Reg Cæsar

    Ruy Teixeira was pushing just a few years ago for the federal government to totally transform public schools into ‘full-service’ or ‘community’ schools

    That would ruyn them.

    Why doesn’t Ruy go back to Portugal? He’d like the centralization in his homeland.

  49. @RadicalCenter
    @Corvinus

    No, our point is that white men do NOT marry and procreate in sufficient numbers to maintain even our current share of the population, let alone the much greater share we used to have and need to strive for.

    There are still many, many white men and women who need to get common sense about the survival of our way of life, culture, language, and traditions.

    They need to cast off their indoctrination into this bizarre, antilife culture of neverending hookups, intoxication, abortion, resentment of normal and practical sex roles and family structures, living only for themselves, consumption without need or sound purpose, alienation from their families and home communities, and shame at who they and their ancestors are. And leave the sick and lonely culture of perpetually single thirty and fortysomethings meeting their perpetually single or homosexual friends at the dog park, animals in tow as pathetic substitutes for children. We see these stunned, unhappy, snarky children daily here in Los Angeles.

    Be proud, be fit, be strong, stand up for your family and nation and direct your life and resources towards your own progeny rather than that of alien people.

    Yet be humble enough to pray, keep life simpler, don't view the opposite sex only or primarily as sex objects but enjoy each other after you're engaged or married, and be willing to do the hard work required to perpetuate and protect their families and their nation as opposed to their country or government.

    Get married and have more children and teach them a strong identity, or be outnumbered, marginalized, persecuted, and eventually exterminated or subjugated.

    Oooh, so judgmental.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “No, our point is that white men do NOT marry and procreate in sufficient numbers to maintain even our current share of the population, let alone the much greater share we used to have and need to strive for.”

    Then you need to make it your personal crusade, one that diligently stands to Roissy and Roosh. Are you prepared to take on this monumental task?

    “There are still many, many white men and women who need to get common sense about the survival of our way of life, culture, language, and traditions.”

    Common sense regarding what, “race realism”? Sir, every day people from various walks of life interact with one another. Dare I say they even co-mingle with those from different races. What personal business is it for you to shame whites from exercising their liberties regarding how they view racial relations.

    They need to cast off their indoctrination into this bizarre, antilife culture of neverending hookups, intoxication, abortion, resentment of normal and practical sex roles and family structures, living only for themselves, consumption without need or sound purpose, alienation from their families and home communities, and shame at who they and their ancestors are.”

    Again, what are you personally doing about this dire situation other than lament about it on a blog?

    “Yet be humble enough to pray, keep life simpler, don’t view the opposite sex only or primarily as sex objects but enjoy each other after you’re engaged or married, and be willing to do the hard work required to perpetuate and protect their families and their nation as opposed to their country or government.”

    You underestimate how many American citizens practice these values.

    “Get married and have more children and teach them a strong identity, or be outnumbered, marginalized, persecuted, and eventually exterminated or subjugated.”

    White people aren’t being “exterminated” or “subjugated”. Talk about indoctrination!

  50. @BB753
    "Majority minority" sounds foolish. They should say "majority non-white".

    Replies: @Steven Wilson

    Majority minority reminds me of a report on the rioting in Paris a few years back. With a straight and utterly clueless face, the North African immigrants were described (labeled?) as “African-Americans.” It would have been pointless to insist they were French.

    You can’t make this stuff up.
    Well, you could, but there’s no need.

  51. @Opinionator
    But now Spencer is identified in the public's mind as the face of the "Alt Right", its leader. And possibly even linked to Trump. If the Alt Right wishes to continue as a dynamic movement under that heading (or, I would say, even under another heading) it must affirmatively excise Spencer. Otherwise, the current public image will have inertia. And it will be further sustained by continuing airtime in the media. He will continue to be the go to for interviews, etc. by the MSM. For example, apparently, The Atlantic is coming out with a documentary on him in December.

    However much the old guard of Brimelow, Taylor, Devlin may care for Spencer as a person, for the good of themselves and the group, they must cut him loose. As for the new guard, most of the higher IQ people have already broken from the Alt Right (I am referring not just to the big accounts, but to smart private people). It won't succeed without them.

    Replies: @Marty T

    It really shouldn’t be hard to avoid Nazi salutes. There are more clever ways to taunt the left than that, which only turns most people against you.

  52. @Opinionator
    @Wilkey

    Yes, but policy means very little if white men don’t return to a) dating for the purpose of marrying rather than shagging; b) actually marrying; c) shagging for the purposes of reproduction (preferably after marriage).

    These ideas may deserve wider discussion.

    Bringing a few of these threads together, see this excellent video "Did that Alt Right Fumble?" from Uncle Hotep. (Steve, the video may be worth of a blog post.)

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer&v=gQPUgyarEk0&utm_content=buffer00d62&feature=youtu.be&utm_medium=social

    Richard Spencer must be removed.

    Replies: @MarcB

    The Left doesn’t purge the unreasonable voices on their side, so neither should we. It’s viewed as a sign of weakness, and makes us look like bed-wetters seeking mainstream approval. Spencer is the perfect foil for the MSM, so don’t think his visibility will drop any time soon.

    This is our chance to show solidarity, open mindedness and resolve. It’s a better strategy to ignore those mishandling their visibility en masse instead of “removing” prominent activists who have become agitprop performance artists during their time in the spotlight.

  53. @Anonym
    @boogerbently

    We need to split into a Red USA and a Blue USA.

    It’s already split. It's just a matter of territory size.

    I like this huffpo map.

    http://bigthink.com/strange-maps/the-world-according-to-trump

    Replies: @boogerbently

    I’m talking split, as in govt, economies and agendas.

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