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From the BBC:

Morrissey posters removed from Merseyrail stations
25 May 2019

Posters promoting Morrissey’s latest album have been removed from railway stations after a commuter complained.

Adverts for the new album by the former Smiths singer have been taken down on the Merseyrail network.

Morrissey has previously expressed support for the far-right For Britain party and earlier this month wore a badge with its logo on during a TV show, but he denies he is a racist.

Merseyrail apologised and said the posters did not reflect its “values”.

The adverts, which contain no political message, were removed after a traveller on a Southport service to Moorfields contacted the company to ask if it agreed with Morrissey’s opinions.

The man, who asked not to be named, told the BBC he was not “offended” by the posters and did not demand they were taken down.

He said he just questioned the company on whether they were appropriate.

Titania McGrath explains:

 
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  1. I wonder if Morrissey was a Scouser would they have left the posters up

    • Replies: @Thud
  2. It’s part of the Boomer / Millennial war on Gen X: removing the intellectual Xer’s teenaged, pop-culture icons. Morrissey had enough angst in his lyrics to qualify.

  3. Matra says:

    Liverpool is England’s most leftist city, though London might be close these days.

    • Replies: @(((They))) Live
  4. SFG says:

    The more you ignore him, the closer he gets. You’re wasting your time.

  5. Jason Liu says:

    Why do organizations and companies cave so easily to leftist complaints? Either they agree with the whiners or they’re just cowards.

    Creating a culture of dismissal–where complaints are mocked or ignored– would likely benefit the right overall, since crybully tactics are more common the left.

  6. Pirelli says:

    If these silly people actually listened to Morrissey, they’d know that removing his posters from the train platform (interesting new twist on deplatforming!) is futile:

    “The more you ignore me /
    The closer I get /
    You’re wasting your time.”

  7. @Jason Liu

    …or they’re just cowards.

    Yes, they’re just cowards. Sure there could be the AA hires in there that also LUV sticking it to Morrissey (whoever he is) and his fans, along with anything white at all. It’s mostly just cowards in the bureaucracy, as you have in any government agency and anything but small business.

    I explained this before a few days back, and maybe got misunderstood: These petty bureaucrats and middle managers aren’t stupid. They know how to keep their jobs. For any white man in particular, any incident for which anyone else, especially higher-ups, in the organization can transform from a mole-hill into a mountain, is something in which he CAN’T LOSE by turning into a mountain themselves. If he fails to do so, and someone else does, that someone can come down on him afterwards for not taking this mole-hill seriously enough.

    Zero Tolerance is a no-lose policy for bureaucrats and managers nowadays, thanks particularly to the scourge of HR. I have been on both sides of this – fired (it wasn’t a big career job, so …) for not making a deal out of some reasonably minor thing many years back and then almost fired for being the guy who made a practical joke (I have NO DOUBT it was funny!) that got made into a big deal by one zero-tolerance boss, who has now been promoted way the fuck out of there!

    • Replies: @Moses
  8. @SFG

    Haha, I didn’t get this, but I see now from Pirelli you must be a fan!

    • Replies: @Abe
  9. Ed says:

    Funny I watched one of Bourdain’s last episodes last night. He was in Los Angeles and evidently there’s a Latino sub-culture of super Morissey fans. His songs touch a nerve with them because of his affinity for his autism roots while being born and raised in England.

  10. Anon7 says:

    The Left is really starting to eat their own. Morrissey is at least bisexual, has had gay lovers, so militantly vegetarian that the Staples center had to ban meat sales at his concert there.

    Now his face is a swastika.

    And then they came for Morrissey…

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  11. Can’t find any decent pictures of him with daffs up the harris. So instead here’s one of a generic crazy old Irishman (c.f. Mel, Keano, Tommy Sheridan, Tony Booth (Satan’s father-in-law), and even St George de Best himself) making that gang sign.
    I rest my case. Bang the blaggard up good an’ proper, milord.

    https://2w6kxc22rrr9mabqt1mglgait6-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/morrissey-small.jpg

    • Replies: @bored identity
  12. Morrissey did nothing wrong.

    “Bengali in Platforms”, from Viva Hate:

    Listen to how the line “he only wants to embrace your culture” is dripping with sarcasm.

    Bengali, Bengali
    Bengali, Bengali
    No no no
    He does not want to depress you
    Oh no no no no no
    He only wants to impress you

    Bengali in platforms
    He only wants to embrace your culture
    And to be your friend forever
    Forever

    Bengali, Bengali
    Bengali, Bengali
    Oh, shelve your Western plans
    And understand
    That life is hard enough when you belong here

  13. El Dato says:

    So you are up with Merseyrail and your chilling in the office when the phone rings. You pick up and the it’s like “Do you think that poster of Morrissey is appropriate?” and you just manage to stutter “it does not reflect our values” and immediately order your underlings to remove it wherever it can be found. Later your boss comes in and asks “why did you have those Morrissey posters removed we had a contract” and you just sweat cold and mumble “I got a call from Beria about this” and your boss’ eyes grow pancake-sized and he is like “Mate, Beria has been dead a long time” — THEN WHO WAS PHONE??

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @LemmusLemmus
  14. @Anon7

    If Morrissey’s face is triggering to some people, then they’d better steer clear of southern Nova Scotia. A while ago, I met a house painter here who could have been his twin. I’m going to go ahead and declare a trigger warning for the whole of the Maritimes, just to be safe.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @Anon7
  15. @Matra

    I’d say Brighton is more leftist, they elected a Green Party MP

    • Replies: @Thud
  16. For the folks who don’t get, “…the more you ignore me, the closer I get…” comments:

    Pretty good tune, nice vocals and bass line. Morrissey is certainly a fellow who had no need of autotune.

    Don’t really care for his supposed proclivities, but I do appreciate that he prefers to keep his private life private, which is more than can be said for most alternative lifestyle types these days.

  17. Thud says:
    @(((They))) Live

    Nah, every scouser but me is a red labour monkey!

  18. El Dato says:
    @Cagey Beast

    Heligoland Planet-struck and spellbound. The wreck of matter and the crush of worlds.

    • Agree: Cagey Beast
  19. Thud says:
    @(((They))) Live

    Brighton has plenty of lefty incomers but Liverpool is generations bred hard core left….all of them with the honourable exception of me and one or two others and I do mean one or two.

  20. Altai says:

    Merseyrail apologised and said the posters did not reflect its “values”.

    This sentence made my day. We’re so far into all this now I can’t tell if the PR flack who sent that email or the person who wrote up this story thought they were being funny.

  21. Let’s all remember this too:
    Anne Applebaum Calls Singer Morrissey a Drama Queen for Speaking Out Against Terrorism
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/anne-applebaum-calls-singer-morrisey-a-drama-queen-for-speaking-out-against-terrorism/

    Yeah, it’s none of his business that people from his hometown were blown up in this stadium:

    • Replies: @VivaNance
  22. Altai says:
    @Endgame Napoleon

    Implies anyone cares about Gen X.

  23. Altai says:
    @Jason Liu

    Didn’t you read the comment they gave to the BBC? It didn’t reflect the deeply-held values of Merseyrail!

  24. dearieme says:

    Who is this “Morrissey” chap? And why is he only Morrissey rather than being an actual Morris?

  25. Here is the take of a couple of expat Angelenos:

  26. Anon7 says:
    @Cagey Beast

    It’s tough having a face that triggers people. I’m an authoritative, slightly mean-looking older white guy, and it has been getting worse for me as the work force diversifies.

    • Replies: @Stebbing Heuer
  27. theMann says:

    How to deal with HR:

    So you get pulled in, sit down, and the HR person begins with “we feel”…. Immediately interrupt with the facts: Hey, there are only two of us in the room, and I am certainly not feeling what you are feeling.”

    “Ok, the organization feels …….. “hey, organizations are incapable of feelings”.

    OK, the complainant(s) feel……”hey, fuck their feelings, do you have any facts?”

    Thought not. Goodbye.

  28. I love the Smiths. I was in HS from ’82-’86 and they really epitomize that time period for me. Sort of OT but I was surprised to learn that they have not been inducted into the R-n-R Hall of Fame yet. Morrissey may be one of the only rock stars who truly doesn’t give a shit. Here’s a list of “snubs” https://ultimateclassicrock.com/rock-hall-of-fame-2019-snubs/

    The ones I regard as genuine snubs are The Go-Go’s, Jethro Tull, the Pixies, the Replacements and, of course, the Smiths.

    Now with Morrissey’s brand as “right wing” starting to set, they may never get in. And good for them!

  29. “…but he denies he is a racist.”

    It’s rather common for the people of his age to go through a Brexistential crisis.

    What a shame that in this day and age Morrisey’s lifestyle still has to be closeted.

  30. Anon[300] • Disclaimer says:

    Probably fake news. No statement was issued. I bet they wwre just due to come down. You have to pay for advertising to stay up.

    • Agree: Franz
  31. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    Morrissey has a certain talent but I find his vegetarian militancy tiresome, I can ignore that of Macca and Big LMM a little easier.

    https://robrobinette.com/PETP/index.html

    PETP
    Welcome to the
    People for the Ethical Treatment of Plants Website.

    Wheat is Murder!

    It’s time to stand up to the anti-plant vegetarians and vegans and support our wonderful plants! We have to reverse the anti-plant bias shoved upon us by organizations promoting vegetarianism such as PETA. So-called “crop plants” are just as much alive as any farm animal. They shouldn’t be treated as inferior simply because they can’t walk or don’t have a face–plants are living, breathing organisms too.

    One Cow = Thousands of Plants

    Why should we sacrifice hundreds of thousands of wheat and corn plants as food when one moderate size cow can provide the same level of nutrition?

    Machines of Slaughter

  32. Abe says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Haha, I didn’t get this, but I see now from Pirelli you must be a fan!

    His FUNKO POP figurine is coming out soon. Buy one for yourself. Buy several for your friends. This will be the most cherished FUNKO in my collection until they make a Stephen Milller one.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  33. Pirelli says:
    @SFG

    Dang it! You beat me to it.

    Also on point:

    I am dreaming of a time when
    To be English is not to be baleful
    To be standing by a flag
    Not feeling shameful

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    , @SFG
  34. Janus says:

    Morrissey wrote a song about decapitating Thatcher and a few years ago claimed that he would kill Trump in order to keep humanity safe. He’s hardly a right-winger. He has historically played around with ethnic identitarianism, though. Besides “Bengali in Platforms”, he also wrote “The National Front Disco” and has been criticized for displaying the Union Jack at his concerts.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    , @ATBOTL
  35. So, does this mean “there is a light that will never go out” or that “the lamps are going out all over Europe”?

    • Replies: @Stebbing Heuer
  36. Forbes says:

    but he denies he is a racist.

    The story could be reported from the perspective that an innocent man has empty allegations (the complainant questioned the rail company whether the posters were appropriate) presented against him by an anonymous source and the rail authorities are committing an injustice by taking down the Morrissey posters.

    But the BBC story is reported from the perspective that Morrissey is guilty of something–guilty until proven innocent.

  37. @Janus

    But Thatcher was a doctrinaire classical liberal more than anything. A patriot could be against her on those grounds.

    • Replies: @SFG
    , @Janus
  38. @Abe

    I’ve got no problem with Steve Miller, Abe. Sounds good:

    “This here’s the story of Billy Joe and Bobby Sue,
    two young lovers with nothin’ better to do,
    sit at home, get high, and watch the tube.
    Here’s what happened when they decided to cut loose.”

    (Gotta love that high-hat in the intro. and great drumming by Gary Mallaber, the guitar riffs, and that 5-clap deal twice in the verses!)

  39. @Malcolm X-Lax

    The ones I regard as genuine snubs are The Go-Go’s, Jethro Tull, the Pixies, the Replacements and, of course, the Smiths.

    Jethro Tull stole Metallica’s Grammy, so this is no snub at all.

    • Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax
  40. @Malcolm X-Lax

    He was huge in Manchester when I was there in 89-90. Definitely most played at the Haçienda. Second place, oddly enough, was Public Enemy.

  41. Anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malcolm X-Lax

    The Rock and Roll hall of Fame is run by Boomers, which is why its collective taste sucks.

  42. All well and good. If the music didn’t suck so much.

    • LOL: Chrisnonymous
    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
  43. @Endgame Napoleon

    That’s an awfully Boomer way to talk.

  44. Downloaded ‘California Son’ and gave it a listen.

    Morrissey sounds great, better, in fact, than he did in his younger days. His cover of Orbison’s “Its Over” is mind boggingly crooney rip your heart out stuff.

    Some other highlights:

    Moz managed to subvert and appropriate a bunch of 60s boomer folk protest songs, including Dylan’s “Only a Pawn in ((Their)) game” and Phil Och’s “Days of Decision” , and repurposes them as anti -globalist anthems. He makes them true protest songs again.

    It is hilarious, somewhat crazy, and moving/kick ass all at the same time.

    Listened to in order, there is a theme to album. I did not know important albums were still made. Probably not. However, ‘California Son’ may actually be one. Worth a review, Steve.

    Of course, the last song on ‘California Son’ is “Somesay i got devil”. In pertinent part,

    And all the things that I have seen
    Qualify me for a part in your dreams
    Qualify me for this dream

    And though I’d like to tell you
    Exactly how I feel
    Somehow the music
    Hides it and conceals it
    Hides it and conceals it
    Hides

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  45. THIS LAND IS OURS!!!!

    RIP….Ian Stuart Donaldson….

  46. @Jason Liu

    You should familiarize yourself with the Woke Capital twitter account.

  47. @Expletive Deleted

    A lot of fond memories from Aunt Riefenstahl’s attic:

  48. black sea says:

    The man, who asked not to be named, told the BBC he was not “offended” by the posters and did not demand they were taken down.

    He said he just questioned the company on whether they were appropriate.

    Yeah, I do this all the time myself. Let’s say I see a TV commercial in which a young, body-privileged mother prepares a snack for her kids in a spotlessly clean kitchen. Everyone smiles and appears contented.

    I’m not offended and don’t want the commercial pulled. I contact my cable service provider, ask for someone in a senior position in customer service, and ask her/im whether s/he thinks that commercial is appropriate. Hey, it’s just my thing.

    Another example. I go to the mall and see a poster in the window of a clothing store. Five young people, all body privileged. Three of the five are white privileged as well. I enter the store, ask for the manager, and explain that while 60% of the people in the poster are white, only 15% of the global population is. Isn’t that a deliberate disparity? Isn’t that a distortion of reality? Isn’t that an erasure of the lives of People of Color? Hmm?

    Now, I’m not offended by the poster and I don’t want it taken down. Again, just my thing. I like to educate people about their unseen privilege and unacknowledged biases. I’m basically a people person and want to make the world a better place.

    • LOL: Moses
  49. Morrissey once caught heat for referring to the Chinese as “subhuman” for their treatment of animals.

    And in a rather bizarre bit of intersectionality, Morrissey is extremely popular among Mexican-Americans.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/beta.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/10/08/why-do-mexican-americans-love-morrissey-so-much/%3foutputType=amp

  50. The leader of For Britain is a leftie Irish lesbian. The only disagreement she has with standard left wing thought is about Islam and immigration. For that, she is called far right.

    • Agree: dfordoom
  51. Gordo says:
    @Jason Liu

    It’s the tyranny of the minority.

    Always works unless we fight back.

  52. Anon[256] • Disclaimer says:

    A good opportunity to mention Sparks, the secret handshake brother band of late 1970s UCLA students. They bucked the fake “big in Japan” trend by being actually big in the U.K.

    Morrissey was a fan. He ended up in Los Angeles, and built up a Hispanic following there:

    Sparks wrote a song about Morrissey in 2008:

    She won’t go out with me, no, she won’t go out
    Since my intellect’s not like his

    She won’t hang out with me, no, she won’t hang out
    ‘Til my biting wit bites like his

    She won’t hang out with me, no, she won’t hang out
    ‘Til my quick retort’s quick as his

    She won’t have sex with me, no, she won’t have sex
    ‘Less it’s done with a pseudonym

    If only Morrissey weren’t so Morrisseyesque
    She might overlook all my flaws

    So, lighten up, Morrissey

    The septuagenarian duo still releases albums and is currently touring, and doesn’t have enough time left to recover from a “cancellation” and deplatforming, and their main market remains the U.K., so they had to throw their old pal under the bus:

    https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/music/sparks-singer-disillusioned-by-morrissey-comments-36934636.html

    Sparks singer Russell Mael has described comments Morrissey made in April about politics and race and last year in response to the Manchester terror attack as “ill-conceived and wrong”.

    Mael, whose pop-rock band is famously beloved by the former Smiths singer and who is a fan of Morrissey himself, added that he “does not understand” the remarks.

    Morrissey recently made comments where he suggested people should give far-right political party For Britain a chance and that halal meat production required “certification that can only be given by supporters of Isis”.

    Following the bombing at an Ariana Grande concert in the Manchester Arena in May 2017, the singer implied in a statement that politicians were scared to call the attacker an Islamist extremist.

    Morrissey was criticised for comments he made in April about halal meat and British politics.

    Asked for his thoughts on the singer’s comments, Mael told the Press Association: “I’m totally in agreement with anybody being disillusioned because I am as well.

    “It seemed so inconsistent, all these perspectives that he has on those various issues, just stupid, dumb kind of things.

    “I obviously don’t agree with any of these things. They’re just so ill-conceived and wrong.”

    He added: “It’s just a pity. When you’re a fan of somebody you want to be a fan in all sorts of ways.

    “You may be like ‘I still really like the music, but the person, I can’t agree with their stance’.

    In fairness, the Maels came from middle class West Los Angeles Jewish stock and may genuinely disagree with Morrissey.

    Part of the Mael brother’s shtick is that they always have some sort of movie in some stage of production, but it never gets made, and is forgotten when a new movie that they are involved in surfaces. Since the Maels are Los Angeles natives mostly active in the U.K., the Brits across the pond never catch on to this kind of deceptive publicity scam. Continuing from the article above:

    Mael, who was speaking ahead of Sparks’s tour of the UK in support of their latest album, also said that production of an upcoming film that he and bandmate and brother Ron have written was “moving forward”.

    Musical drama Annette will star Star Wars actor Adam Driver and will be directed by French director Leos Carax.

    Mael revealed that the film was “taking longer than we had hoped” to make and had been held up by Driver’s Star Wars filming commitments.

    Mael confirmed at one point it had been a possibility that singer Rihanna would make a cameo appearance.

    Rihanna has bee earmarked for a cameo appearance in a film written by Sparks.

    However, he said he did not think the Umbrella singer will now feature.

    “It was not like she had ever really been fully attached, and her role was minor at best.”

    Leos Carax? Wikipedia: “In 2017 Carax guested vocals on the Sparks track ‘When You’re a French Director’ from their album Hippopotamus.”

    The Mael’s most hilarious fake movie project was The Seduction of Ingmar Bergman, a musical take on the Swedish director’s time in Los Angeles. Various fake announcements were made over a series of years, and they managed to get a gig where actors read the screenplay to an audience at the John Anson Ford Amphitheatre before the project was memory holed. Weirdly, the same problem always seems to be behind the failure of their movie projects: Nobody wants to finance them.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  53. Sean says:

    Anyone on YouTube they don’t like is being demonetized (no ads on their vids). The First Amendment right is only against government.

  54. @Ed

    “evidently there’s a Latino sub-culture of super Morissey fans”

    He is, as they say, big in Mexico and all of Latin America.

    “his affinity for his autism roots while being born and raised in England.”

    Autism or Irish?

    • Replies: @Ed
  55. @Ed

    He was in Los Angeles and evidently there’s a Latino sub-culture of super Morissey fans. His songs touch a nerve with them because of his affinity for his autism roots while being born and raised in England.

    The ways of the Lord are manyfold and ultimately full of overflowing wonders.

    (I would not have been able to understand this indeed quite interesting bond in a million years, so – – thanks).

    • Replies: @Ed
  56. Moses says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    For any white man in particular, any incident for which anyone else, especially higher-ups, in the organization can transform from a mole-hill into a mountain, is something in which he CAN’T LOSE by turning into a mountain themselves.

    Just like how NK party cadres are deathly afraid to be accused of lackluster applause for the Dear Leader, or be the first to stop clapping. They applaud with great rapture and never stop, or they get shot.

    That’s where we’re going as a culture.

  57. Nobody does stunned, shocked, and outraged better than the Brits, but Americans are working hard to catch up.

  58. @Anon

    I read back in the 1970s that the Mael Brothers of Sparks couldn’t convince their high school friends in L.A. that they were huge in Europe, so they’d take them to Farmer’s Market, which was a regular tourist bus stop and sign autographs for Europeans.

    • Replies: @Anon
  59. Do I get to have all jay z and beeonce posters removed in america now?

  60. Andrew says:

    “the ‘far right’ For Britain party”

    Are they “far right”? What a dull little name they have chosen for a “far right” party. Nothing snazzier available with “National” this in there or something “First!” with a nice exclamation point? It’s a stranger and stranger world I find myself in, with figures like even Nigel Farage being described as “far right” by some when I think he’s being a little politically correct in casting the icky stick upon his old outfit of UKIP just because they’re running, to me fairly sensible-sounding, Tommy Robinson and his determination to never form any coalition in Brussels with the French FN. (Wikipedia helpfully, as of this instant, anyway, has UKIP classified as “right-wing to far right” while For Britain is given the dreaded “far right”. If Anne Marie Waters is the next female Hitler I’d say she needs a new look and some new clothes.)

    Meanwhile, some of these lefties I know that are my age whining about late 50s something Morrissey I know for a fact were Smiths obsessives in the 80s and it’s depressing to think their brains and cognitive abilities, at least in respect to freedom of thought, were working better then as teenagers.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  61. Ed says:

    Here’s another “concerned citizen” questioning his poster. https://twitter.com/mbelllabcoop/status/1132566621724319744?s=21

  62. SFG says:
    @Cagey Beast

    Yeah, you could consider him a leftist with nationalist tendencies. It’s hard for people to wrap their heads around because of the long antagonism between nationalists (and fascists) and communists,, but there were minor ideologies like Strasserism that tried to split the difference.

    I would be very surprised if Morrissey is into any of that, though. ‘Bengali in Platforms’ is actually pretty sympathetic to the Bengali, and ‘National Front Disco’ feels sorry for the National Front members, it doesn’t really lionize them.

    He probably just identifies with the working-class England he grew up with.

  63. SFG says:
    @Pirelli

    Eh, you’ll probably win next time.

    I like the bits of British pop culture I’ve seen–Withnail and I, The Loneliness of the Long-Distance Runner, Hellblazer comics, and of course the Hitchhiker’s Guide.

    Though I can’t claim to have been listening to him *that much* as a teenager. Nah, I turned the channel to VH1 and got into new wave instead of grunge–this was when it was already 10 years out of date. I wasted quite a few hours watching MTV and VH1 and hitting ‘record’ on the VCR when a song I liked came up. Got quite a few Morrisseys.

    • Replies: @(((They))) Live
  64. @Anon7

    I empathise.

    As I get older, my face is increasingly exciting the predatory instinct in bullies.

    I’m finding, for the first time in my life, that my black belt training, which I never thought I would ever use, is becoming useful.

  65. @Otis in Ohio

    ‘There is a light rail that will never go out of step with The Narrative.’

  66. @SFG

    “England for the English”

  67. @TalkinaboutMorriseyontheinternets

    Of course, the last song on ‘California Son’ is “Somesay i got devil”

    I would never have seen Morrissey as a Melanie Safka fan, but it is perfect dream-girl music for a 14 year old boy in his 1973 bedroom.

  68. @SFG

    I would be very surprised if Morrissey is into any of that, though. ‘Bengali in Platforms’ is actually pretty sympathetic to the Bengali …

    I understand the sentiments in that song because I’ve felt them many times myself. Having sympathy with the immigrant fish out of water doesn’t get in the way of being against the policies that put him there in front of you. These are the sort of thoughts one has while commuting on public transit in Toronto.

  69. @SFG

    Morrissey’s solo work is pretty good, he continues to be an excellent song writer but those songs would clearly have sounded much better if Marr was involved, the Smiths really were a great band, Joyce and Rourke were right to sue for a bigger share but by winning the case they lost the chance of making a yuge pay day for a come back tour. its a pity Morrissey won’t work with Marr again, he’s leaving millions on the table

    So TLDR if you think Morrissey is good you really need to listen to the Smiths

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  70. @SFG

    He probably just identifies with the working-class England he grew up with.

    This is the worst possible thing a human being can do.

  71. Anon[483] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I have such fond memories of Farmers Market from when I was a kid. It was like a theme park, somewhere between Busch Gardens and Knott’s Berry Farm. I remember loving the Mexican food, which was much better than Taco Bell and Swanson Hungry Hombre.

  72. Those whacky Manchester Irish!!!

  73. @obwandiyag

    Man, I forgot to put you on my list!

    My LOL’s are directed AT you, but I’ll ignore you from now.

    Ha, ha! Stupid and worthless…

  74. How sad are we ?
    And how sad have we been ?
    We’ll let you know, We’ll let you know
    Oh, but only if – you’re really interested
    You wonder how
    We’ve stayed alive ’till now
    We’ll let you know, We’ll let you know
    But only if – you’re really interested
    We’re all smiles
    Then, honest, I swear, it’s the turnstiles
    That make us hostile
    Oh … We will descend
    On anyone unable to defend
    Themselves
    Oh … And the songs we sing
    They’re not supposed to mean a thing
    La, la, la, la … Oh …
    You’re lonely, Oh … you’re lonely
    Oh …
    GET OFF THE ROOF !
    Oh … Your Arsenal !
    We may seem cold, or
    We may even be
    The most depressing people you’ve ever known
    At heart, what’s left, we sadly know
    That we are the last truly British people you’ll ever know
    We are the last truly British people you will ever know
    You’ll never never want to know

  75. @The Wild Geese Howard

    Oh, that’s right. That was silly. Though I’m not a Metallica fan. I did see Jethro Tull at the Cow Palace in SF back in, like, 1984, second row center and they were great.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  76. Revolution eating its own – Muslims don’t appreciate homosexuality being pushed on their children:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/may/26/birmingham-anderton-park-primary-muslim-protests-lgbt-teaching-rights

  77. ATBOTL says:
    @Janus

    Morrissey is obviously a white nationalists and has obviously always been. When he was a teenager, the National Front was at it’s peak and no doubt, he was a supporter and has always held those views. This has been widely known in the UK forever.

    Nationalists in the UK hate Thatcher. She had John Tyndall, the BNP leader, thrown in prison for speaking out against non-white immigration.

    • Replies: @Janus
    , @Anon
  78. An interview from ‘86

    Morrissey: “Reggae, for example, is to me the most racist music in the entire world. It’s an absolute total glorification of black supremacy… There is a line when defense of one’s race becomes an attack on another race and, because of black history and oppression, we realise quite clearly that there has to be a very strong defence. But I think it becomes very extreme sometimes.”
    “But, ultimately, I don’t have very cast iron opinions on black music other than black modern music which I detest. I detest Stevie Wonder. I think Diana Ross is awful. I hate all those records in the Top 40 – Janet Jackson, Whitney Houston. I think they’re vile in the extreme. In essence this music doesn’t say anything whatsoever.”

    Interviewer: But it does, it does. What it says can’t necessarily be verbalised easily. It doesn’t seek to change the world like rock music by speaking grand truths about politics, sex and the human condition. It works at a much more subtle level – at the level of the body and the shared abandon of the dancefloor. It won’t change the world, but it’s been said it may well change the way you walk through the world.

    M: “I don’t think there’s any time anymore to be subtle about anything, you have to get straight to the point. Obviously to get on Top Of The Pops these days, one has to be, by law, black. I think something political has occurred among Michael Hurl and his friends and there has been a hefty pushing of all these black artists and all this discofied nonsense into the Top 40. I think, as a result, that very aware younger groups that speak for now are being gagged.”

    I: You seem to be saying that you believe that there is some sort of black pop conspiracy being organised to keep white indie groups down.

    M: “Yes, I really do”

    During his solo career, he became known for liking reggae – even signing with legendary reggae label Trojan. Ironically, this was due to his skinhead boyfriend at the time, and if there’s one thing skinheads like more than sniffing glue, it’s early reggae.

  79. Morrissey is a great example of a guy who parlayed early success into a solid sustained career with occasional bursts of controversy. Unlike countless others, I never wondered whether he was simply doing it for the publicity or the kitsch factor. He was who he was, take it or leave it.

    Like Bret Easton Ellis, his wit and insight served GenXers well when we were a generation thumbing our noses at the painfully earnest social consciousness of the Boomer regime, but now must be sacrificed at the altar of ideological respectability.

    Intelligent gay white men, your identity credentials spared you thus far, but you’re clearly on deck for the next round of cleansing unless you get squarely with the program.

    Ironically, the fans who kept coming back after he became infamous for canceling shows are now departing in droves – because of a pin that he wore when he actually showed up.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  80. J.Ross says: • Website

    When a person says they want to be British but they don’t love Morrissey it’s like they’re applying to be a Saudi subject with a Bud Light in their hand.

  81. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Andrew

    Far right, alt-right, nazi, racist, extremist, supremacist, incel and Russian are all perfectly interchangeable designators of enemies of the establishment. None of those words mean anything. View them as emoticon devil horns in text form.

  82. Janus says:
    @Cagey Beast

    I can see your point about Thatcher, but on most things Morrissey would likely be on the left.. I was a bit surprised at his comment towards Trump. I would have imagined that Trump the candidate could have secretly appealed to him. At least to a degree not to publicly wish for his death. Trump the actual president is a different matter. It could be just a matter of style. Morrissey and Trump are quite at odds tempermentally.

  83. Janus says:
    @SFG

    I agree that “National Front Disco” doesn’t lionize the members, but to even show sympathy makes him suspect in most people’s eyes. He knew that when he wrote the song. His attitude makes perfect sense to me and keeps me fond of the guy. I think he had cancer a couple of years ago. Hopefully he’s doing well.

  84. @Ed

    Love when the creators of liberalism dis us.

    At any rate, it is true, Morrissey has fans in Latin America, specially among urban Latin whites. In fact, tons tend to be gay and/or SJW. But there is a Catholic distinctiveness, aside from the poofery, that endears him to Latins. Also, Latin whites tend to listen to European music and culture a bit more, sometimes to the point of faddishness (for example, Arctic Monkeys are more famous in Latin America than in real life).

    • Replies: @Valentino
  85. VivaNance says:

    This will probably work out quite well for Morrissey in the end. Hell, I’m a Smiths fan and I had no idea he even had a new album coming out (granted I didn’t really keep up Morrissey after the band broke up). Now I will be checking out Morrissey’s more recent music, and I’m sure many others will do the same. Once again, the attempt to censor has backfired miserably.

    • Replies: @Anony Trans
  86. Ibound1 says:

    Why take it down?
    Just add a mustache and these words below the face:

    “War is Peace. Freedom Is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength“

    Perfect.

  87. VivaNance says:
    @Cagey Beast

    Wow, what a top notch performance. I grew up on the Smiths, but kind of lost interest in Morrissey off after he went solo. Great to see how in command he is of both his voice and the audience, and very cool too see lots of millennials in the crowd digging his music!

  88. Up to me, i wouldn’t have had his poster up, just because i don’t think anyone should have to look at his face to take the train.

    In a decent nation, it should be possible to run basic government services economically without pimping out subway tunnels, the celings of train cars, the sides of buses, etc. etc. for commercial schlock.

    Fire all the “diversity” and “equality” and “outreach” staff in government and everything will run much smoother, at lower cost, without grabbing cash to hawk crap.

  89. Paul says:

    What are the criteria for removing a poster, and who gets to decide?

  90. I can’t believe I forgot this one:

    The Smiths – A Rush And A Push And The Land Is Ours

    A rush and a push and the land that
    We stand on is ours
    It has been before
    So it shall be again
    And people who are uglier than you and I
    They take what they need, and just leave

  91. Janus says:
    @ATBOTL

    I can’t claim to really understand Morrissey’s politics. He supported Hillary Clinton in 2016 and criticized Obama for fostering an environment where evil white cops could purposely gun down black men with impunity.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @dfordoom
  92. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Janus

    Euro and UK politics don’t fit into US spectra of left and right very well.

  93. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @(((They))) Live

    Even when you win, you lose.

    Win in court and the rest of the band snub you forever. Ask Nigel and Frank from Bl0ndie.

  94. @VivaNance

    I’m a Smiths fan, but have also closely followed his solo career.

    Bone Drag, Your Arsenal, and Vauxhall and I are his best solo work. His new album is very good. I’m seeing him in concert in the fall.

    I always loved that he’s queer, but “right wing” when common sense merits, in the same way I tend to be.

  95. athEIst says:

    until just now I didn’t know what

    Morrissey or Merseyrail

    were. Thanks(?) to the Streisand Effect I do.

    Now ask me if I care?

  96. Valentino says:
    @Disordered (with a bad memory)

    The cultural European influence in Latin America whitish elites is stronger than the influence of USA. The British bands have stronger influence than American ones. And in Latin America, there is a perception that there isn’t a native High culture in USA. It’s something like an analogy between Greece and Rome. The Romans became more powerful economically and militarily than the Greeks. But they never surpassed the cultural status of the Greeks.

  97. @Malcolm X-Lax

    That was silly.

    True, but not nearly as silly as the time Clapton stole Nirvana’s Grammy.

  98. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Sollipsist

    his wit and insight served GenXers well

    Morrissey of course is a Boomer.

    • Replies: @Sollipsist
    , @Cagey Beast
  99. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Janus

    I can’t claim to really understand Morrissey’s politics.

    He’s a pop star. Have you considered the possibility that he’s not too bright?

    Pop stars are qualified to give their opinions on pop music and nothing else.

    • Replies: @Janus
  100. @dfordoom

    Most of his fans were GenX. We were “served” by several generations.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  101. Janus says:
    @dfordoom

    It’s certainly a possibility, although I would guess that as pop stars go he’s significantly above average in intelligence. I’d be more inclined to believe that he purposely makes contradictory and controversial statements in an attempt to remain relevant. You are correct, though, that it’s not really worth one’s time thinking about an entertainer’s political convictions.

  102. @dfordoom

    Morrissey of course is a Boomer.

    Which just goes to show how useless the term “Boomer” is.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  103. Ed says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Irish, damn autocorrect.

  104. Ed says:
    @Dieter kief

    Lol I type on my iPhone. My fat fingers coupled with autocorrect and my general lack of proof reading leads to these embarrassments. Should be “Irish”.

  105. With the help of the heavens above – my mind is pleased to be fed with facts which it can clearly decipher! Thanks! – –

  106. @El Dato

    Very good. But it wasn’t like that. Morrissey’s from Manchester, so the Scousers hate him. They only needed a cover to break the contract.

  107. @Ed

    Oh yeah, they love him.

    The “affinity for foreign roots” answer is an afterthought. It’s mostly because Morrissey (thanks mostly to his hair) gives off a retro rockabilly vibe, and aesthetics minded Chicanos love retro rockabilly vibes.

    Google “Cherry poppin daddies zoot suit riot,” then “zoot suit riots” and you’ll see the vibe and the Latino connection I’m talking about.

  108. Celebrating the lack of penises on real women is none-the-less hateful!

    I think Conan would regard that as one of the best things in life.

  109. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Sollipsist

    Most of his fans were GenX. We were “served” by several generations.

    So did GenX ever manage to do anything itself?

  110. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Cagey Beast

    Morrissey of course is a Boomer.

    Which just goes to show how useless the term “Boomer” is.

    Agreed. When someone starts whining about the evil Boomers you know you can safely ignore anything else they have to say.

  111. Were you looking for examples of success or analysis of broad generational characteristics? Both should be fairly easy to come by.

    Morrissey had more to do with the 80s (meaning mid-80s through early 90s) than he did with any other time. That seems inarguable to me, but I could be mistaken. Jay-Z may be a GenXer, but undoubtedly somewhere there’s a millennial who finds him absolutely indicative of something specific to their generation. If you can get a meaningful insight out of that, be my guest.

  112. Anon[612] • Disclaimer says:
    @ATBOTL

    The Irish in big English cities like London tend to be conflicted over these issues. No, they don’t like blacks, Muslims and other exotics, but they also don’t like the Loyalist/Unionist stance of mainstream British nationalism.

    Oswald Moseley was the last British nationalist with a significant Irish following, notably because he didn’t tolerate sectarianism in his movement.

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