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The votes are in:

I suspect that if I asked who would be canceled FIRST, Newton would not have gotten the most votes. But asking about LAST makes it a question about who would have the most last ditch defenders, and Newton doesn’t sound like the guy.

And here’s four new ones that will be open for voting until Tuesday evening.

Note: Washington and Lee University is not yet officially changing its name, but 79% of the faculty voted to drop Lee.

 
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  1. Anonymous[852] • Disclaimer says:

    When will Karl Marx be cancelled?

    – and what about Friedrich Engels?, didn’t he write some rather ‘naughty’ things about the Irish and certain other ethnicities?

    • Replies: @Dr. X
    , @Reg Cæsar
    , @jim jones
  2. prosa123 says:

    Keynes probably will be safe because he was gay.

  3. Duke, Stanford and Yale are all about branding so they will never EVER change their name. They may as well shut down if they do.

  4. jon says:

    Washington and Lee University is not yet officially changing its name, but 79% of the faculty voted to drop Lee.

    We are probably less than a decade out from them having to drop Washington too. Might as well get it over with now. Dante and La’Vante University has a nice ring to it, and those are both NFL approved.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @AnotherDad
  5. syonredux says:

    Kant agreed with Hume, which means that he won’t make it to the end:

    “The Negroes of Africa have by nature no feeling that rises about the trifling. Mr. Hume challenges anyone to cite a single example in which a Negro has shown talents, and asserts that among the hundreds of thousands of black who are transported elsewhere from their countries, although many of them have even been set free, still not a single one was every found who presented anything great in art or science or any other praiseworthy quality, even though among the whites some continually rise aloft from the lowest rabble, and through superior gifts earn respect in the world. So fundamental is the difference between these two races of man, and it appears to be as great in regard to mental capacities as in color. The religion of fetishes so widespread among them is perhaps a sort of idolatry that sinks as deeply into the trifling as appears to be possible to human nature. A bird’s feather, a cow’s horn, a conch shell, or any other common object, as soon as it becomes consecrated by a few words, is an object of veneration and of invocation in swearing oaths. The blacks are very vain but in the Negro’s way, and so talkative that they must be driven apart from each other with thrashings.”

    http://www.csun.edu/~jaa7021/hist496/kant.htm

    Berkeley was a slave-owner:

    But he has a stain on his record, as documented in 2001 by a group of graduate students from Yale, another university with strong links to “the good bishop”. In a report calling on Yale to face up to its troubled history, they describe in detail the Irish scholar’s purchase of a plantation at Rhode Island, having travelled across the Atlantic to set up a missionary project.

    On October 4th, 1730, Berkeley purchased “a negro man named Philip aged 14 years or thereabout”. A few days later he purchased “a negro man named Edward aged 20 years or thereabouts”.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/what-to-do-about-george-berkeley-trinity-figurehead-and-slave-owner-1.4277555

  6. JimB says:

    Note: Washington and Lee University is not yet officially changing its name, but 79% of the faculty voted to drop Lee.

    Yes, but is 30 years, 90% of their faculty will be gone but Washington and Lee University will still be there.

  7. J.Ross says:
    @syonredux

    The worst part about being enslaved by Bishop Berkeley is him arguing, “yeah, but have I really enslaved you, or is that just what it looks like?”

    • LOL: sayless, Dumbo, Tusk
  8. If only we had someone in a prominent position…a political leader perhaps…strong and true enough to stand up to the insanity and say enough. This stops here. Maybe even reverses it.

    Look at Tucker. World’s largest cable news audience and sponsors are too terrified to sign on. Something’s wrong with that picture.

    • Agree: Ray Huffman
    • Replies: @Redman
    , @Ragno
  9. Cutler says:

    The woke are insane, I was told that an Italian politician in Genoa said perhaps their Columbus statue should come down.
    Fortunately there was a massive backlash along the lines of F**k you. I was pleased to hear that

  10. Anonymous[992] • Disclaimer says:

    Four polls is too many at once, Steve. You should have done them one at a time.

  11. In the “when will Keynes be cancelled?” choices, your last one — “never: need the deficits” — echoes (probably unconsciously) the joke that closes Annie Hall:

    A man goes to a psychiatrist, and says, “Doc, my brother’s crazy; he thinks he’s a chicken.” The doctor says, “well, why don’t you turn him in?” And the guy says, “I would, but I need the eggs.”

    • Replies: @Peter Johnson
  12. BenKenobi says:

    Steve, did you recently learn how to conduct polls on Twitter or something?

  13. Anonymous[992] • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    The blacks are very vain but in the Negro’s way, and so talkative that they must be driven apart from each other with thrashings.

    How would Kant, from northern Germany, know anything about such things?

    What did he mean that blacks are “very vain”?

  14. Mr. Anon says:

    All this is making more sense out of the title of that book by Francis Fukuyama:

    The End of History and the Last Man

  15. @prosa123

    White old gay doesn’t count for much anymore.

    PS

    All questions are fabulous! – Humans are only then fully human, whan at play (Friedich von Schiller).

    • Replies: @Kronos
  16. Ray P says:

    Freud was cancelled in the middle nineteen-eighties by feminists when the scandal broke in a couple of books about his covering-up the child sexual abuse of his patients by their close relatives. Psychoanalysis had already become something of a joke anyway.

    Kinsey or Wilhelm Reich would be a better option than Freud.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Hypnotoad666
  17. guest says:

    Rawls first, on account of being a boring WASP (I think).

    From here it gets tricky. I don’t know whether Jew beats gay or gay beats Jew, but Marx and Freud are orders of magnitude more famous than Foucault, so I’d say Foucault is more expendable.

    A great deal is invested in Marx and Freud. Since the fall of most of the Second World Freud is probably more important.

    Marx was a rabid anti-Semite and a wacky conspiracy theorist. But he was a left-wing Jew, so nevermind. Doesn’t count.

    However, Freud has already survived serious movements against him. Feminists were all over old Ziggy decades ago. For covering up sexual abuse and of course for the whole “penis envy” thing.

    If must choose, I’ll go with Marx before Freud. Because sex beats socialism.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  18. What any of these people thought of blacks is the least important or interesting thing about them. I am tired of having to pretend that world history revolves around blacks.

    • Agree: Seneca44
    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  19. Well, second wave feminists cancelled Freud fifty years ago for daring to tell women what was on their minds, so he should be replaced with another name on the ballot. Any white, male, heterosexual, self-confident philosopher will do.

    Come to think of it, just being a white, male, self-confident famous guy is enough to get a person canceled these days.

  20. guest says:

    Enlightenment-era philosophers are tougher to woke-test, since they are mostly silent on sex and “alternative lifestyles” and every last one of them was a dirty racist. If you can find them talking on the subject.

    Kant is good for anticlericalism and global governance. But he’s also a creepy virgin type.

    Do people think Plato was gay? He was Greek, so might as well be.

    Berkeley was religious, so screw him.

    What does anyone know about Descartes? French, cogito. That’s it. Totally expendable.

    So it is Plato vs. Kant. Does it count for anything that Kant led to Hegel who led to Marx who led to Social Justice War? Probably not.

    Considering Kant is modern and was around when European race-consciousness was officially a Thing according to academia, he’s likely to go before Plato. Because Plato will be talking about general barbarity and Amazonians instead of blacks and Chinese.

  21. Questions are not quite well posed. Anyway. Marx & Freud have equal chances to go down, rather soon, but Foucault- hardly, this freak is actually a hero for woke crowd; Rawls could go down because he was too rational.

    All philosophers- out, especially Plato & Kant.

    Keynes will abide because his economics will eventually destroy woke “ideology”.

    Stanford has the best chance for longer survival because: a) too hard science, b) too Asian

    • Replies: @Kronos
  22. guest says:
    @prosa123

    Gay helps, but it doesn’t make one invulnerable.

    Keynes was a lord and rich, by which people pretend to be disgusted.

    He was also English in the old sense of pale and responsible for slavery.

    • Replies: @Peter Johnson
  23. JimDandy says:

    The first one is a classic gimme to build enthusiasm and suck people into this sinful gambling den. Answer: Duh. Freud was cancelled long before cancel-culture was cool.

  24. Rawls will go first, because they, like me, don’t know who he is

    • Replies: @AKAHorace
  25. Keynes has protection as a homosexual and a gay sex tourist from around the time Thomas Mann wrote “Death in Venice.”

  26. @PiltdownMan

    Modern college textbooks on human sexuality devote a section to Freud as an early sexologist, of sorts. But they treat him as a marginal figure now, compared to figures like Havelock Ellis, Alfred Kinsey and Masters and Johnson.

  27. I have to wonder when Marx will face cancellation from just showing too much cultivation in the Great Books of the Badwhites.

  28. Fun fact “Heidegger was still alive when they did this”

  29. dearieme says:

    “Washington and Lee University is not yet officially changing its name, but 79% of the faculty voted to drop Lee.”

    Half-arsed compromise: Washington kept slaves. And he didn’t even free them on his death. So he’s got to be cancelled. Ditto Yale university – named after a slave-trader.

    Ben Franklin kept slaves for part of his life so he’s got to go too.

    • Replies: @Flip
    , @syonredux
    , @syonredux
  30. Three black faculty members at the law school had earlier endorsed a statement calling on the school to remove both names, writing that “Washington’s brutality, inhumanity, and cruelty are well documented,” and that “Lee’s reputation for racial violence and hatred is well known. He was a monster.”

    “Therefore! We hereby resolve that henceforth the name of this venerable institution shall be “University” until and unless it’s determined that some “university” somewhere held interest in any enterprises offensive to our delicate modern sensibilities. At which point we will rename the university “___” and dare anyone to further besmirch our good name! All in favor hereby signify by not signifying, and always remember: silence is violence. It rhyme!”

    • Replies: @ic1000
  31. El Dato says:

    One could make a spoof of Apocalypse Now where Kurtz’ Command is about to be cancelled because a CIA listening post caught a mysterious “All Lives Matter” message blasted out over the radio.

    “Corporal Kurtz has obviously gone insane. We also have indications that he disrespects the military, is not for paedophilia, doesn’t believe in Russian Assets, doesn’t believe in Transgender Bathrooms and mercilessly suppresses peaceful protests.”

    “Cancel his command, sir?”

    “Cancel. With extreme prejudice.”

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @BenKenobi
  32. Keep in mind that the school wasn’t named after Lee for no reason; the guy was president of the school for 5 years.

    W&L’s most famous alumnus appears to be iSteve’s favorite author: Tom Wolfe.

    • Replies: @res
  33. @syonredux

    Its is much easier (and less disturbing and much more cost-effective…) to take responsibility for the past (= words which were written in the past, mostly, are what these Yale students go after) – than to look at the moral and ethical shortcomings of the profitable present, in which Yale and Harvard are deeply rooted (invested…).

    So – by and large: The usual pattern – the young do as the elders did: Make symbolic sacrifices (concessions) and live on happily ever after. It helps in this regard too, to cancel Immanuel Kant, because he indeed was playing strictly with the (moral) meters (The Sultans of Swing).

    Ahh – Kant held, that it was an ethical necessity, to tell the truth. And that the truth ranked much higher than somebody’s feelings (he even held, that it feels good (=is strengthening your soul), to tell the truth).

    One of Kant’s lesser-known pupils (the one I like most – ) Johann Benjamin Erhard (1766 – 1827), a Nuremberg craftsman and philosopher – put it this way:

    “(….) He who thinks, that he has discovered important truths, shall present them to his contemporaries just how he found them so that they can check them (…) and he shall leave it up to them whether they too can find truth in them; and if it would be so, that he had missed out on the truth, his conscience should show, that he had been truthful while bringing his ideas forward to others. He then will enlighten the people and help propel the most direly wished for revolution – (…) an insight into the wells and aims of the republican constitution.”

    • Replies: @anonymous
  34. > With David Hume now being canceled, which famous philosopher will be canceled LAST?

    Riffing off the Einstein theme from the previous thread, I’d have to go with Spinoza on this one.

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  35. Kronos says:
    @Dieter Kief

    However he might make a good Philips Curve rebound if pedophilia becomes the new trans in 5-7 years.

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2019/07/pedo-economics.html

  36. Kronos says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Two can play at that game.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
  37. @The Last Real Calvinist

    That was some Dave Letterman style humor.

  38. Kronos says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    If they ever cancel Karl Marx would Herbert Marcuse and the Frankfurt School just take his *cough cough* market share? It’s likely the most Woke-friendly and capitalistic form of Marxism out there. (In the sense that culture is everything and the economic stuff can be just shoved out the back door.)

  39. utu says:
    @Anonymous

    “Kant never in his whole life travelled more than ten miles from his home city of Königsberg”
    https://philosophynow.org/issues/49/Kant_200_Years_On

    He taught geography.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    , @Mr. Anon
  40. @Kronos

    Revolutions devour its children. And fathers, too.

  41. El Dato says:

    Systemic Racism? No, Supersystemic Racism!

    ‘Star Wars’ actor Boyega drops Jo Malone perfume brand for ‘trading one’s culture’ after being swapped for Asian man in Chinese ad

  42. AKAHorace says:
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    For question one I would say Marx will be the first to go. First getting rid of Marx will allow the left to finally get rid of annoying questions about economic justice so they can fully devote themselves to identity politics. Second as it will tie into Russiophobia, they often paint Putin as a new Stalin/Lenin no matter how for from the truth this is.

    For question two, I think that Barack Obama is wrong when he says

    Rawls will go first, because they, like me, don’t know who he is

    Someone has to be heard of to be cancelled and Rawls is better known now than many other philosophers and has also thought seriously about justice, always a risky question in this era.

    I would say that Bishop Berkely will be the last to get the chop as he is less known than anyone else on the list.

    Not sure about #3 and 4.

  43. @Kronos

    Well, surprisingly enough, there is a passage in Adorno’s Stichworte if I remember right, where he says, that it is not appropriate to ask for black persons to be like all the rest because – they simply aren’t!

    Adorno gives his thought this twist in the end: It’s capitalism, which – in order to standardize everything (even humans) for more profitability – is misleading people here and tries to make them act, as if everybody was equal, even though people (=blacks) obviously aren’t.

    A well hidden Frankfurt-School secret.

    Another one has been more publicly discussed at a few occasions****: That Adorno had no problems to put – hold on to your seat, please – REichsjugendführer Baldur von Schirach way (!) above any cultural production of Blacks – especially in music. – The NS regime did eradicate Balck music from the national broadcast program? – Well, so Adorno: rightfully so, because, “this doe not mean to eradicate the musical influence of the negro-race on th4 northern race (as the Nazis held), but eradicates rather bad artworks (=Jazz). Thus he openly embraced the Nazi-politics of throwing Negro-Jazz out of the public broadcast programs with the words: Just “brush them out!” 

    https://www.welt.de/print-welt/article256916/Schlechtes-Kunstgewerbe-ausgemerzt.html

    **** none of Adornos (numerous high profile) biographers makes anything “problematic” out of these remarks.

  44. @utu

    And he had guests from all over the world for dinner – he loved that.

  45. ic1000 says:
    @Mr McKenna

    > Washington and Lee University is not yet officially changing its name, but 79% of the faculty voted to drop Lee.

    Good point, Mr. McK, both names have to go. I propose “Lexington Community College, With Awesome Faculty and Administrators, And A Sizeable Endowment.”

    The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints recently decreed “no more shortening,” you now risk eternal damnation for saying ‘Mormon’ or ‘LDS’. The same threat should hang over those who would improperly refer to the university formerly known as W&L.

  46. “Rawls first, on account of being a boring WASP (I think).”

    Definitely. An Episcopalian, Princeton graduate — he was the ultimate WASP, and his prose is by far the dullest of the four listed but more lucid than say Foucault.

  47. Dr. X says:
    @syonredux

    Mr. Hume challenges anyone to cite a single example in which a Negro has shown talents, and asserts that among the hundreds of thousands of black who are transported elsewhere from their countries, although many of them have even been set free, still not a single one was every found who presented anything great in art or science or any other praiseworthy quality…

    Now there’s an observation that has withstood the test of several centuries…

  48. Do the woke even know of Newton ?

    They seem to believe the larger body of the American public will not react to their force with equal and opposite force, or that the larger public will remain inert as they dial up their force. I guess we will see.

  49. Plato should not even be on the list. He was canceled decades ago by Karl Popper — The Open Society and its Enemies, the book that inspired the fancier of the cancel-culture, George Soros. Plus, Popper in volume 2 did a number on Hegel who inspired Marx, so Marx will soon be on his way out. Marx knocked up his maid and used the N-word, so that puts him high on the enemy lists of the #Me Too banshees as well as the BLM crazies.

  50. @Kent Nationalist

    ” I am tired of having to pretend that world history revolves around blacks.”

    Unfortunately it seems the noisy part of rest of the world isn’t.

  51. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dieter Kief

    This is seldom pointed out, but it explains much of the mania for the purging:

    Its is much easier (and less disturbing and much more cost-effective…) to take responsibility for the past (= words which were written in the past, mostly, are what these Yale students go after) – than to look at the moral and ethical shortcomings of the profitable present, in which Yale and Harvard are deeply rooted (invested…).

    Rather than fight these cowards on their chosen field of morality play, ask them if they feel half so strongly about, say, these ongoing, official actions of Uncle Sam:

    – the wars in/on Afghanistan, Gaza, Iran, Libya, Syria, Venezuela, etc.

    – the trillion$ sloshed to Wall Street under the CARES Act, which passed the Senate 96-0

    Maybe they’ll then start to realize why the Establishment loves it when the serfs vote RedBlue and in the interim squabble over transgender statues and Confederate bathrooms.

  52. njguy73 says:

    Who’ll get cancelled last:

    Mr. Rogers
    Bob Ross
    Carl Sagan
    Steve Irwin

    • Replies: @Charon
  53. Interesting that Einstein is not at the top of the list. OTOH, he contributed mightily to the store of human knowledge. OTOH, he was a jew, a Zionist, a pacifist, a womanizer, married to his blood cousin, who may have stolen his insights from his first wife, a gentile from one of the Slavic countries, a fellow student at the Eidgenössische Technische Hochschule in Zurich. Do take a look at the villa he had built for himself by the famous architect Mendelsohn in the countryside outside Berlin where he was Herr Doktor Professor of physics at the Univ. of Berlin. When Hitler took power he was away in Great Britain as a visiting professor that year. As return to Nazi Germany was not advisable, he accepted a position at the newly created Institute for Advanced Studies in bucolic Princeton New Jersey, not associated with Princeton University, set up by a jew Wexner.

    But if you should wear an Einstein t-shirt today as in days gone by, what would be the reaction? How could an aggressive Woke not smile at the image of Einstein with his tongue stuck out at the photographer.

    In days gone by, I once had a digger passing through Norman Oklahoma home for dinner. He explained that he carried a guitar and played it when he found himself in dicey circumstances. He said it cooled the situation.

  54. @guest

    I’ve been wondering how long Edward Gibbon will last, given his opinions about Africa and its inhabitants. I suspect he’s somewhat protected by the inability/unwillingness of the Woke to wade that deeply into The Decline and Fall… to find the nuggets of thoughtcrime (six volumes!)

  55. @ic1000

    W&L is likely the richest school so far to be thus smacked.

    But just look at the other schools high on the list.

    Stanford, Yale, Duke. Endowed indeed.

  56. Anonymous[267] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ray P

    Freud was cancelled in the middle nineteen-eighties by feminists

    You are wrong.

    • Disagree: HammerJack
    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
  57. Bill says:
    @Anonymous

    Yeah, man, and, like, how do we know the temperature of the Sun’s chromosphere, anyway? Has anybody ever been there? Huh? Huh? Have they? Furthermore, their thermometer would surely have melted if it’s so damn hot. And how would someone from Chicago know whether or not penguins live in Antarctica? How? Tell me how.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
  58. Anonymous[334] • Disclaimer says:

    In the first Woke Survivor group I have to go with Freud, If abortion is a sacrament to Jews then Freud is a saint to them. Marx (socialism/communism) was merely a bulldozer paving a way for the others like Freud and Einstein.

    From E. Michael Jones The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit (Fidelity Press, 2008), p. 869:

    Psychoanalysis had also come in for condemnation at the hands of the famous TV priest, Fulton J. Sheen. In March 1947, Sheen gave a sermon on “psychoanalysis and confession” in St. Patrick’s Cathedral in New York City. In it, Sheen derided Freudianism as a philosophy based on “materialism, hedonism, infantilism, and eroticism.” In the February/March 1947 issue of McCall’s, Clare Booth Luce told of her conversion to Catholicism. Luce had undergone psychoanalysis by a Jewish psychiatrist shortly after divorcing her first husband. After exposure to confession, Luce resented her treatment at the hands of Jews. “We Christian innocents,” she wrote, “have been duped into our present godless condition by the unholy triumvirate of communism, psychoanalysis and relativity. These three symbolized by Marx, Freud and Einstein, are the result of the messianic impulse of the religiously frustrated Jewish ego .

    It didn’t take long for the Jews to react to this shot across their bow. Both Sheen and Luce were accused of anti-Semitism in 1948 in the American Scholar because they “leave the careful reader an impression that responsibility for our present spiritual inadequacy rests not only on Freud but as well on the other outstanding thinkers of Jewish origin.”

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    , @kaganovitch
  59. Anonymous[267] • Disclaimer says:
    @guest

    Rawls first, on account of being a boring WASP (I think).

    Rawls was an Anglo-Saxon who sold out his people. That gets rewarded. He’ll be okay.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  60. BB753 says:

    OK, I’ll play:
    1) John Rawls (White man, not liberal enough, and advocating fairness is unwoke). Freud and and Marx can play the Jewish card, Foucault the super-gay card.
    2) Plato will never be canceled because he was a proto-communist and gay. Berkeley and Hume are goners. I don’t know about Descartes. If rationality is made a capital crime, he’s out too.
    3) You can’t cancel Keynes because banks will go broke without perpetual debt slavery.
    4) Yale, because its founder was a slave trader. I submit alternative names: Chaz University, MLK University, Obama University, BLM University. Also, Yale should pay reparations.

  61. Chicago was supposed to be one of the last un-pozzed schools.
    This is the English department.

  62. Redman says:
    @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder

    Steve has subtly implied that Biden could be the modern Hidenburg to some leader’s…(Hitler?!). It doesn’t take that much imagination after this year’s insanity to see that as a distinct possibility.

    An enfeebled Biden as leader during a massive stock market drop next year would probably be enough to open the door to a real fascist (as opposed to DJT, the fake one the left fantasizes about).

    • Replies: @Goddard
  63. @Gary in Gramercy

    Steve Sailer probably set that pun up — along with the punny “woke off” from the “walk off” contest in the movie Zoolander.

  64. OT:

    Rioting and looting is great fun until you get arrested in Lancaster, PA and they set your bail at $1 million:

    Lancaster also had multiple heavily armed operators (US Marshals?) supporting local police:

    • Replies: @Known Fact
  65. @guest

    John Maynard Keynes was only bisexual not entirely gay, and eventually married a female ballet star, which might lose him points relative to being 100% gay. Also going heavily against him is that his first professional job (where he distinguished himself and launched a career as a top civil servant) was in the India Office, managing the Indian rupee and associated trade/finance issues for the British colony. So he was a eugenicist, with an open belief in lower average intelligence of sub-Saharan Africans, and a public sector connection to the British Empire. He wasn’t actually even left-wing and thought socialism would never really work. He is toast.

    • Replies: @Francis Miville
  66. dfordoom says: • Website
    @AKAHorace

    I would say Marx will be the first to go. First getting rid of Marx will allow the left to finally get rid of annoying questions about economic justice so they can fully devote themselves to identity politics.

    I agree. The Left lost interest in anything even remotely connected with socialism or economic justice decades ago so they might as well take the next logical step and admit that they are in fact purely serving the interests of Big Capital. Cancelling Marx will reassure their corporate funders that they really have sincerely abandoned all leftist economic principles.

  67. Rob says:
    @ic1000

    I think the university’s new name needs to honor Black Lives Matter and the freedom and acceptance gays now have at the school. Pink Floyd University. That PFU stands for Plaque Forming Units, as of a virus growing on a cell culture, is totally accidental, and does not indicate that universities are parasites killing the host society.

    • Thanks: HammerJack, ic1000
    • LOL: Chrisnonymous
  68. The woke think Socrates was black, so Plato might get points for having had a black mentor.

  69. 1) Who’s going to host Steve’s new Woke-Off game show?

    2) If Washington and Lee is dropping the Lee, does this mean actress Lee Grant (born Lyova Haskell Rosenthal) has to change her name again?

  70. @Bill

    And how do you know what Beethoven’s music sounded like?

  71. @The Wild Geese Howard

    The birthplace of APBA Baseball, standing strong!

  72. @HammerJack

    English departments seem to be under mighty stress. It’s all so visual now.

    • Replies: @Altai
  73. @Anonymous

    Both Sheen and Luce were accused of anti-Semitism in 1948 in the American Scholar because they “leave the careful reader an impression that responsibility for our present spiritual inadequacy rests not only on Freud but as well on the other outstanding thinkers of Jewish origin.”

    Accused of anti-Semitism (anything Jews don’t like) in the form of contending that “outstanding” jews have agency.

    This reminds me of something.

  74. @BB753

    You sound like a Harvard man. And incidentally, Plato normalized slavery. Also, BLM University has a nice ring to it.

    • LOL: BB753
  75. Charon says:
    @njguy73

    Well there’s food for thought! I gotta go with Bob Ross, though Satan [autocorrect] is of the Tribe and is now Black in the form of Neil Degrasse [or did he get metood?]

    Speaking of the Tribe, while we’re trashing venerable Virginia colleges: William and Mary gave tacit approval to slabery.

    Let’s just erase all history prior to the Abolitionists, and all history post Emmett Till, and everything that happened in between.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  76. FPD72 says:

    Logically, Kant should be the last philosopher to go just because his Kantian autonomy is so wide spread. Two hundred years ago, if you asked a man on the street an ethical question, he would have answered, “Reason concludes…” or “Scripture says …“ or “According to natural law …” In other words, he would have pointed to a source outside of himself. Today, the man on the street would answer, “I believe …” or “I feel…” In other words, he would point to a source inside of himself.

    To paraphrase Nixon, “We’re all Kantians now.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @stillCARealist
  77. @prosa123

    Keynes probably will be safe because he was gay.

    That didn’t save William Rufus DeVane King in his once-eponymous county in the state of (hah!) Washington. The county’s new flag:

    “Imo git you, sucka!”

    Is the 2027 release still on-schedule? Will #MeToo still be a “thing”? Will hashtags?

  78. @dfordoom

    The Left lost interest in anything even remotely connected with socialism or economic justice…

    … that they really have sincerely abandoned all leftist economic principles.

    The only principle the Left has ever had is the monopoly of power. Their own.

    “Economic justice”, whatever the hell that is, was only a fig leaf. If you can think of a Leftist at any time in history who truly believed in sharing power, please give us his name.

  79. Jack D says:
    @jon

    A handful of the black faculty at W&L did recently propose that they get rid of both names but it did not get very far (just now).

    But I agree with you that the history of Wokism is that today’s radical position becomes tomorrow’s “mainstream” POV. However, I don’t think that process will take a decade (and in fact in a decade, Wokism will probably have gone to far and been somewhat discredited and the pendulum will swing back a little, although whatever damage is done is not going to be undone).

    The high water mark of Wokism is, I think, right now, with everyone going nuts because of Covid and in a political frenzy because of Trump. Once there is a vaccine and after the election (either way Trump is not standing for election again) people may return to their senses a little bit. I hope.

    The history of Blackism is that blacks inevitably overplay their hand and people get sick of their shtick. It doesn’t help their cause that pro-African and anti-Semitic views have a big overlap. Maybe that would gain them some admiration around here but not in most circles. Also it’s never going to be OK to come at the cops with a knife or gun. If you do that, the cops are going to shoot you no matter what the Blackists want.

  80. @Charon

    Well there’s food for thought! I gotta go with Bob Ross, though Satan [autocorrect] is of the Tribe and is now Black in the form of Neil Degrasse [or did he get metood?]

    Ross’s do is total cultural appropriation. Now Walgreens is hawking People’s 25th-anniversary (of his death) commemorative volume. When huffy black folk pick up their prints, they’ll see this and flip out.

  81. Foucault died of AIDS and craved having fists shoved up his ass.

    He is coated with teflon and will soon have his picture on your money.

  82. @Ray P

    Freud was cancelled in the middle nineteen-eighties by feminists

    They just had penis-envy.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
  83. res says:
    @ScarletNumber

    If anyone is interested you might want to read this before it is memory holed.
    https://www.wlu.edu/the-w-l-story/university-history/

    Our University’s name recognizes the pivotal roles of George Washington and Robert E. Lee in the institution’s history — Washington for his gift that rescued the struggling school in the 18th century and Lee for his transformative presidency of Washington College from 1865 to 1870.

    More details at the link. Lee wasn’t just president for five years. He made transformative changes. Worth noting that the name change came at the request of the faculty.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  84. El Dato says:

    Why would Trump go full nut&cracker at this point in time?

    Trump says he wanted to ASSASSINATE Assad, blames ex-defense chief Mattis for staying his hand

    Worse than Obomba. This election is his to lose, apparently he’s not going to let this occasion pass.

    Or does he just want to get that Nobel Peace Prize?

  85. BB753 says:
    @HammerJack

    Is mastery of ebonics mandatory? When will they suppress the racist standard white English language in English departments in favor of black vernacular speech (ebonics, jive)? Yes, we can!

  86. @ic1000

    If the LDS church has cancelled shortening, then how will they make all their awful desserts? Truly, Mormon cuisine is among the world’s worst. Maybe British is worse.

    • Replies: @Ancient Briton
  87. syonredux says:
    @Anonymous

    Rawls had heretical opinions on immigration:

    Concerning the second problem, immigration, in #4.3 I argue that an important role of government, however arbitrary a society’s boundaries may appear from a historical point of view, is to be the effective agent of a people as they take responsibility for their territory and the size of their population, as well as for maintaining the land’s environmental integrity. Unless a definite agent is given responsibility for maintaining an asset and bears the responsibility and loss for not doing so, that asset tends to deteriorate. On my account the role of the institution of property is to prevent this deterioration from occurring. In the present case, the asset is the people’s territory and its potential capacity to support them in perpetuity; and the agent is the people itself as politically organized. The perpetuity condition is crucial. People must recognize that they cannot make up for failing to regulate their numbers or to care for their land by conquest in war, or by migrating into another people’s territory without their consent.

    • Thanks: Chrisnonymous
  88. Anonymous[115] • Disclaimer says:
    @FPD72

    Two hundred years ago, if you asked a man on the street an ethical question, he would have answered, “Reason concludes…”

    What is an example of the answer to an ethical question being arrived at by reason?

  89. Ray P says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    In the French-speaking world, thanks largely to the linguistic interpretations of Jacques Lacan, Freud is still intellectually popular.

  90. @FPD72

    This comment deserves its own thread and discussion.

    Honestly, don’t you come to plenty of conclusions about man and society based on your own observations and experience? Maybe you can’t even do that without a prior grounding in your ancestors’ teachings.

  91. anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:

    OT:

    This Week in “Guns Cut the Bullshit”

    • LOL: Kronos
    • Replies: @Paul Mendez
  92. @AKAHorace

    Someone has to be heard of to be cancelled

    No, they don’t. You think these mobs of nitwits have any idea whose statue it is they’re pulling down today?

    It’s sufficient for one person to have heard of Rawls, and to denounce him. Nobody inclined to cancel him will be double-checking those claims, or researching his contributions to whatever field it was he contributed to. What does it matter what he did? He’s a racist!

    • Replies: @AKAHorace
  93. @BB753

    4) New Haven Communitas College

    • LOL: BB753
  94. Altai says:

    OT: Scientific American has gotten very triggered.

    I wonder what damage has been done to science through the policies of immigration that have lowered the IQ of and introduced ethnic strife to the countries with the previously most scientifically innovative and impressive societies.

    Anyway, also the Scientific American. (Which is not a peer review journal but a ‘pop sci’ outfit)

    That picture says it all. If you care about global warming, you’d make an effort to persuade the demographics most unconvinced, instead you double down, you enjoy the fact that there is a political campaign against the reality of global warming because it makes you feel superior.

    It’s all so tiresome.

    • Agree: Redman
    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @Dave
  95. @Hypnotoad666

    They just had penis-envy.

    Looking around Western society in the Current Year® I’d say Freud was 100% correct.

    • Agree: Dumbo
  96. Altai says:
    @Dieter Kief

    They never weren’t. Ironically, they are the most hobbled in terms of being able to articulate a counter argument to this. This coupled with the largely and increasingly female student body and faculty makes it near impossible for any of them to face social ostracisation by doing anything but kow-towing.

    It’s not that they’re necessarily in favour of all this, if they were, they’d have already been doing it. It’s that they’ve lost the ability to argue against it. Exactly like the left on immigration. This period should be the ascendancy for the political left yet they’re stuck with bourgeois notions on immigration. All they need to do is let go and they’ll run rough-shot over the right and get everything they say they want.

    People want collectivist social and collectivist economic policies. It’s pretty simple.

    Because immigration is a moral imperative rather than something practical or rational it is impossible for the left to relinquish it. It has become easier to turn right-wing parties into economic populists than the left. There should be dozens of left-wing intellectuals thrashing the neoliberal centre-left and even far-left on this all day. Instead they stay silent (Or have themselves become upper middle class snobs or are ethnic groups who are engaged in unbelievable ethnic aggression in arguing for policies which are rapidly reducing the proportion of the native ethny), lest they be unpersoned. What proportion of Sweden’s population has to be made up of recent immigrants and their descendants before an ethnic Swede can object, even on purely economic grounds? There is no answer, the answer is 100% and so the proportion of Swedes in Sweden will necessarily always be approaching zero.

    If somebody says they’re doing something in the name of ‘Black people’ in an American English department, there is no way you can ever oppose it. So, necessarily, the level of Black activist ‘wokeness’ will always increase.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  97. Rawls is getting cancelled for sure, very problematic person, here he is using the N-word publicly

    He probably thought he could get away with it because he’s a victim too

  98. Goddard says:
    @Redman

    … a massive stock market drop next year would probably be enough to open the door to a real fascist …

    Been re-reading (actually audiobooking) Rise and Fall of Third Reich, by Shirer. America has not yet known the national humiliation, economic collapse, and ideological rivalry that Weimar Germany lived through, but if we should live through it, then there is no reason to believe that, as in Weimar Germany, real fascism would follow.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  99. By the way….

  100. Altai says:

    CNN supports African American Orania.

    Like I’ve said before, if this was in another country this would be a nationalist awakening and campaign for national self-determination. Unfortunately blacks in America don’t have a definable homeland, so it’s just a worm turning in an apple, it’s just resentment without end.

  101. Jack D says:
    @res

    Worth noting that the name change came at the request of the faculty.

    The change adding Lee’s name was at the request of the faculty and so was the current request to remove it. The faculty done changed. It’s not so much that the faculty is now black (although there are a few) but nowadays to get tenure as a white person you have to adhere to Woke values. No white faculty member wants to be the first one to stop clapping for BLM.

    By the time you are up for tenure, the filtering has been going on for years. Non-Leftists mostly drop out and pursue non-academic work at a much earlier stage because they understand that they are not going to be comfortable in an environment where Left Liberalism is taken for granted (in the academic milieu,
    a Socialist like Bernie Sanders is a centrist and many are found to his left, sometimes FAR to his left), not that they are ever going to be given tenure anyway if they ever betray their views publicly (to the extent that there are any conservatives left beside old white men who haven’t accepted a buyout package yet, they usually are in non-political areas and take pains to conceal their political views – this is not unlike the Soviet Union where you could be a mathematician or a physicist without being an ardent Communist so long as you kept your mouth shut about politics and went to the May Day march if they insisted).

    Conversely, you have folks like Jessica Krug who get promoted and promoted despite being complete idiots because they loudly proclaim the right hate whitey noises (of course being “Black” helps even more – Krug must have realized at some point that being an “ally” was good but being black was what she really needed to push her over the top because her actual work was clearly worthless even to the Woke – even the Woke have a certain level of academic standards, at least for their fellow white people).

  102. @prosa123

    Keynes will not be safe, if they ever figure out that what he actually said was that deficits during depressions were OK to stimulate the economy, but were to be paid for by money set aside when there were surpluses. In context, Lincoln’s Greenbacks and Germany’s Labour certificates were a form of deficit to stimulate the economy.

  103. Anonymous[369] • Disclaimer says:

    This game is not as easy as it seems. For example, if in the fall of 2015 you were given the choices (below) of who you would predict would be cancelled in the next 2 years, who would you pick?

    a) Garrison Keillor
    b) Harvey Weinstein
    c) Charlie Rose
    d) Donald Trump

    • Agree: Muggles
  104. syonredux says:

    Speaking of getting cancelled, JK Rowling is definitely in bad odor these days:

    J.K. Rowling Traffics in Transphobic Stereotypes by Creating Murderous Cis Man Serial Killer Who Dresses as a Woman To Kill

    https://www.themarysue.com/j-k-rowling-traffics-in-transphobic-stereotypes-again/

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @Francis Miville
  105. Jack D says:
    @Altai

    I saw an article in which they said (in all seriousness) that Freedom was going to be a real life Wakanda. Others said that this was going to be new “Black Wall Street”. Leftists have always had issues with distinguishing pipe dreams from reality. Never mind that all the other Utopias turn out to be dystopian nightmares, THIS time the dream will really come true.

    The picture that went with the article showed a black woman standing in a muddy field. I would take bets that the place is never going to amount to anything more than a few poorly maintained houses, if that (blacks take their Tragic Dirt with them wherever they go) but I don’t know who would take the other side of the bet. I’d also be willing to take over/under bets on how long until the first burglary and the first shooting.

    • Replies: @anon
  106. Flip says:
    @dearieme

    New York was named for the Duke of York (the future James II) who was a huge slave trader through the Royal African Company. New Amsterdam has a nice ring to it.

  107. anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:
    @Altai

    OT: Scientific American has gotten very triggered.

    It’s such a shame the Fag Mafia have gained control of that mag. I used to enjoy reading it every month. Think of Scientific American as intellectual fag burlesque. It’s a spectacle in self-indulgence and nihilism. Nothing more.

    Unfortunately, a fag science rag is, by it’s nature, not going to be good at inductive/deductive reasoning. It’s going to be emotional and shrill, like the females they long to be, but never will, so the upcoming Durham report, as well as the ongoing Hunter Biden investigation must be off their emotional table, until it’s all unloaded on them in October. We’ll refer to it as a “negative variable” that Scientific American cannot take into account. If they did, they wouldn’t be fags.

    So… logically speaking, talk to the hand, Miss Thing.

  108. Jack D says:
    @HammerJack

    Language itself has provided rationalizations for colonization, exploitation, etc. The solution is to get rid of language. From now on, we will communicate only in grunts and squeaks. Shooting in the air (or in other directions), banging on drums and blowing on vuvuzelas will also be permitted. But no more of this language stuff which is just white man’s trickery. We also need to burn all the books ever written by whites.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  109. Mr. Anon says:
    @utu

    “Kant never in his whole life travelled more than ten miles from his home city of Königsberg”
    https://philosophynow.org/issues/49/Kant_200_Years_On

    He taught geography.

    Neither Gallileo, Kepler, nor Newton ever left Earth and yet they had some useful things to say about it’s place in the Universe.

    • Replies: @utu
  110. Mr. Anon says:
    @syonredux

    I’ve never seen that website – The Marysue – before. Now I’m glad I’ll never have to again. What a bunch of brainwashed robots.

    I’m beginning to think that zombies are a real thing. Except it’s thier brains rather than thier flesh that is rotting.

  111. Dave says:
    @Altai

    Every Bible-thumping, tongue-talking Fundy redneck has a more accurate understanding of sex than Scientific American, so try your science arguments on someone else.

    Any non-brainwashed person with a three-digit IQ is smarter than the entire faculty of Harvard University put together.

  112. Anonymous[115] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Language itself has provided rationalizations for colonization, exploitation, etc.

    Could you please elaborate on this?

    • Troll: HammerJack
  113. syonredux says:
    @dearieme

    Cancel Elizabeth I for crimes against Blackness:

    John Hawkins | Admiral, Privateer, Slave Trader
    Sir John Hawkins (1532–1595) was one of the most notable sailors and naval commanders of the sixteenth century. He is known for his pivotal role in the maritime history of England and the rise of the global slave trade.

    While several other Englishman had already taken slaves from Africa by the mid-15th Century, John Hawkins effectively set the pattern that became known as the English slave trade triangle.

    Early in his career, he led an expedition in which he violently captured 300 Africans in Sierra Leone and transported them to Spanish plantations in the Americas. There he traded them for pearls, hides, and sugar. His missions were so lucrative that Queen Elizabeth I sponsored his subsequent journeys and provided ships, supplies and guns. She also gave him a unique coat of arms bearing a bound slave.

    https://www.rmg.co.uk/discover/explore/sir-john-hawkins

  114. sayless says:

    Rawls
    Berkeley
    Yale
    By the end of the 2020s

  115. @jon

    Instead of chasing its tail dropping “Lee” and waiting on “Washington”, Washington and Lee has a much better option.

    Washington and Lee University should simply admit that it’s very name and history are a heavy burden that all black students must continually carry; at best a constant nagging microaggression building up to a macroaggressio; that being black at Washington and Lee is simply too oppressive for black students …

    … and therefore Washington and Lee will do the right thing and refuse to admit, and hence subject, any more blacks to this oppression.

  116. @syonredux

    “The religion of fetishes so widespread among them is perhaps a sort of idolatry that sinks as deeply into the trifling as appears to be possible to human nature. A bird’s feather, a cow’s horn, a conch shell, or any other common object, as soon as it becomes consecrated by a few words, is an object of veneration and of invocation in swearing oaths. ”

    And yet, oddly enough, most of ’em seem to be Protestants; they sound like natural born Catholics.

  117. @Altai

    90+ acres to support 19 families? I’d be surprised if you could support one family on 90 acres these days. The family farm has mostly gone the way of the dodo. Especially those averaging less than 5 acres (90/19 families).

    I’m not sure what is farmed in and around Macon, but unless its iPhones its not going to work.

    The childishness of this, combined with the media patting them on the head as if they’re a retarded kid that successfully went to the bathroom, is depressing.

    • Replies: @Paul Mendez
  118. @Anonymous

    Schopenhauer: “They cannot get enough of each other’s snub-nosed company.”

  119. @guest

    Plato thought Egypt was the original home of all wisdom, and since we now know the Egyptians were black, there’s that.

  120. syonredux says:
    @dearieme

    We need to get serious. No more wishy-washy liberalism. Monstrous crimes against Blackness require radical solutions:

    it is estimated that Britain transported 3.1 million Africans (of whom 2.7 million arrived) to the British colonies in the Caribbean, North and South America and to other countries.

    https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/british-transatlantic-slave-trade-records/

    For the heinous crime of trafficking in People with Black Bodies, Britain needs to be cancelled. Effective immediately, it shall be known as Blackland.

  121. @guest

    “Does it count for anything that Kant led to Hegel who led to Marx who led to Social Justice War? Probably not.”

    Wouldn’t that be an argument for the Right to cancel them?

    Kant, Hegel and the others may have been system-mad (Kierkegaard) but they were still able to “notice” things. That’s why they never over-extended their ideas. E.g., the Founders knew that “All men are created equal” didn’t mean “all men” — not Negroes, for instance. You could call it “tacit knowledge.” (Polanyi).

    The Woke today are students and faculty who have never had to deal with the real world and hence think their ideas are infinitely extendable.

    A Liberal (Mill, etc.) understands ideas have limits. A “Progressive” (note the name) can never stop.

    • Replies: @guest
    , @anon
  122. Dumbo says:
    @Altai

    Well, good luck to them. Segregation is probably the best way forward, anyway. Different states for different people.

  123. AKAHorace says:
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    Someone has to be heard of to be cancelled

    No, they don’t. You think these mobs of nitwits have any idea whose statue it is they’re pulling down today?

    You sound bit testy, is Michelle threatening to throw you out a window again ?

    The point is this is a race. They will all be cancelled eventually. All other things being equal (race/heterosexuality etc) a betting man would put his money on the most popular ones attracting the notice of the mob first.

  124. @prosa123

    But he didn’t die gay. He married a very feminine ballerina.
    So, maybe bisexual.

  125. Dr. X says:
    @Anonymous

    “Let us consider the actual, worldly Jew – not the Sabbath Jew… but the everyday Jew. Let us not look for the secret of the Jew in his religion, but let us look for the secret of his religion in the real Jew. What is the secular basis of Judaism? Practical need, self-interest. What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money. Money is the jealous god of Israel, in face of which no other god may exist. Money degrades all the gods of man – and turns them into commodities…. The bill of exchange is the real god of the Jew. His god is only an illusory bill of exchange…. The chimerical nationality of the Jew is the nationality of the merchant, of the man of money in general…

    …In the final analysis, the emancipation of the Jews is the emancipation of mankind from Judaism.”

    Marx, “On the Jewish Question,” 1843

    Apparently the Left will cut some people a bit of slack from all the canceling…

  126. JohnnyD says:

    Karl Marx will no doubt get canceled first. He wrote nasty things about Jews, liked to used the N word, and thought colonialism was great. Also, Woke Capitalism is probably the antithesis of Marxism.

  127. Dube says:
    @Kronos

    Yes, Herbert Marcuse would be expected to survive, as he was the beacon of upheaval and overturn from ’68 (respectfully discussed by Sartre and Cohn-Bendit during the strikes in France) and ’69 (as mentor of Angela Davis) through the Vietnam dissidence. And he did buss Angela on both cheeks in a gallant and gentlemanly manner when welcoming her publicly back to campus (almost too European there, but it was a buss of color). I can’t think of anything the wokesters would find in him to scratch at.

    And yes, as Kronos suggests, “[Marcuse’s thought is] likely the most Woke-friendly and capitalistic form of Marxism out there. (In the sense that culture is everything and the economic stuff can be just shoved out the back door.)” An humble browser can read all of One-Dimensional Man without realizing that Marcuse is a Marxist. After all, Marcuse himself did acknowledge influence by journalist Vance Packard for his exposure of public manipulation through advertising in The Hidden Persuaders.

    But when the mob roils, the beacons too become extinguished.

  128. Who’s going to send their kids to “Washington and University”?

  129. vinteuil says:

    I’m puzzled by the inclusion of Foucault, here…what did he ever do or say that might get him cancelled?

    The only thing I can think of is that he’s recycling Nietzsche, who really was very naughty indeed. But it’s not like the people running this show would know or care about that.

    • Replies: @HA
  130. I don’t see any mentions here about the fact that John Maynard Keynes was a huge lifelong public supporter of eugenics. As I recall, he remained a prominent member of some British eugenics league even into the 1940s, when it had become distinctly problematic/unfashionable.

    I also remember reading that he routinely made a point of publicly referring to blacks as “niggers” in conversation. This was also quite out of fashion by the 1940s, but he didn’t stop and people put up with it because of who he was.

    All of which is to say that he’s certainly ripe for cancelling should they ever choose to. But as someone said here above, his economic theory legitimizing government deficit spending will always make him valuable, and his journal entries as a young man reveal him as a committed and proud sodomite so that might help save him too.

  131. syonredux says:

    Note: Washington and Lee University is not yet officially changing its name, but 79% of the faculty voted to drop Lee.

    Washington and Douglas University has a certain ring…..Or, they could also drop Washington and go with Frederick Douglas University.

  132. @Anonymous

    “We Christian innocents,” she wrote, “have been duped into our present godless condition by the unholy triumvirate of communism, psychoanalysis and relativity. These three symbolized by Marx, Freud and Einstein, are the result of the messianic impulse of the religiously frustrated Jewish ego

    Luce’s take on Einstein’s relativity seems somewhat stupid, no?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  133. @Anonymous

    – and what about Friedrich Engels?, didn’t he write some rather ‘naughty’ things about the Irish and certain other ethnicities?

    He was probably the first feminist outside England and America, so he’ll have his defenders on that score.

  134. @Goddard

    The Kindle edition of The Rise and Fall of Third Reich is available today for $1.99.

  135. utu says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Not comparable. Doing astronomy is basically a mathematical exercise of reconciling data points somebody measured with a mathematical model. The model verify the quality of data and identify outliers in an objective way. Kant’s opinion on races or some kind of comparative anthropology w/o any field experience is just a compilation of opinions of people he ddid not know and had no way of verifying them or putting weight or error bars on them. It does not change the fact that Kant was one of the greatest who greatly improved on Hume by giving him more depth w/o destroying him. Perhaps it was thanks to Kant Germans including even the Nazis did not fall into the epistemological trap of vulgar empiricism best represented by the IQist universe of Galton, Spearman the their epigone like Jensen. Too bad that Binet died at 54 when he was at the height of his career. Perhaps he would have had a moderating influence on the extreme empiricists and reductionists of the Anglo world.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  136. @AKAHorace

    I don’t know who Rawls or Berkeley are either, but Berkeley is a Bishop, and the woke crowd hates Catholics.

  137. @PiltdownMan

    I nominate Russell.
    He wrote Principia Mathematica with Whitehead, which proved 1+1 = 2. Very unwoke.
    Also same title as Newton’s book. So double unwoke.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
  138. I predict the next big univeristy to change its name will be Brigham Young University.

    Mr. Young had some decidedly unwoke things to say about blacks. And he had 55 wives (but only 58 children, so an abysmal total fertility rate for his wives). You can’t get much more patriarchal and misogynist than ol’ Brigham Young.

    I know, I know. The Mormons are conservative Republicans. They’d never rename BYU because of wokism, you might say.

    But the situation is ripe for Mormonism to move into the Wokist camp. Mormons have been really bad on immigration and refugees for a long time. And their current church president is strongly moving the church into woke territory on gender issues. Mormons tend to be never-Trumpers and also fair weather friends on the important questions (or even outright enemies, like Mitt Romney).

    A campaign has already started to get BYU renamed. Some day soon, I predict Brigham Young Univeristy will become Elijah Abel University.

    • Replies: @Muggles
  139. @stillCARealist

    How dare you! Like the curate’s egg, parts of it are excellent. Have you ever tried spotted dick, jam roly-poly or toad- in-the-hole?

  140. @JohnnyWalker123

    Kant does not rhyme with “rant“. If anything, it more closely rhymes with “runt“.

    Govern your philosophy discussions accordingly. (Also, it means that “Immanuel” can be used as rhyming slang… “Don’t be such an Immanuel, you great bell-end” or “Jeffrey Goldberg is a total Immanuel“).

    Americans with their ridiculous puritanism (plus their inability to do non-phonetic reading).

    They’re the reason why internet routers are pronounced “router” instead of “rooter”, even though they ought to have gotten a hint as to the proper pronunciation from “Route 66“. A router digs grooves in things.

    That said: there must be some marginal use of “route’ that rhymes with “rout” – e.g., in the lyrics of “Honky Tonk Blues“. In 55½ years on this wet ball of rock, I have not seen or heard it in a non-Yanklish context.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Ozymandias
  141. @Matthew Kelly

    With David Hume now being canceled, which famous philosopher will be canceled LAST

    Bentham, if there’s any justice. If he’s all that’s left, most of what is good is covered.

    Plus, the Left loves the Panopticon (which – like Eugenics – is not a bad idea per se, but has obvious potential for abuse when implemented by the State) .

  142. @Anonymous

    You are wrong.

    Sailer, sometimes I just want to slap you.

  143. @anonymous

    I noticed he locked his ankles without being told. He obviously is familiar with the drill.

  144. guest says:
    @James O'Meara

    The Right lacks canceling power, except among their own kind.

    I mention Kant’s intellectual descendants as a reason the left might spare him…for a time.

  145. @dfordoom

    The Left lost interest in anything even remotely connected with socialism

    What a tragedy! Socialism, greatest of all crimes against humanity, has been recognized by the left as a disaster! Your “smart pill” offerings have been rejected even by the stupidest of our body politic. It is true that they have embraced an even worse form of what you had on offer, but the gulag is still the Gulag. BTW, dfordoom should be dWantsDisaster.

    Doom is for those who have no choice – their destiny is predetermined. You are doomed, but the rest of us get to decide, and those choices determine our destiny.

  146. guest says:
    @BB753

    Yale will simply be called “George.” Along with nearly all roads and buildings in the country. Just “George” from coast to coast.

    • LOL: BB753
  147. @William Badwhite

    Sorta like the Ugandan Space Program.

  148. Anonymous[115] • Disclaimer says:
    @AKAHorace

    The point is this is a race.

    How is it a race?

  149. Anonymous[115] • Disclaimer says:
    @kaganovitch

    “We Christian innocents,” she wrote, “have been duped into our present godless condition by the unholy triumvirate of communism, psychoanalysis and relativity. These three symbolized by Marx, Freud and Einstein, are the result of the messianic impulse of the religiously frustrated Jewish ego.

    Luce’s take on Einstein’s relativity seems somewhat stupid, no?

    What is stupid about that passage?

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  150. Art Deco says:
    @prosa123

    Keynes was a Bloomsbury participant. Don’t know if that sort of sub rosa business is alien to the contemporary gay subculture, but it is distinct from it. Also, Keynes left that world behind, which makes him a figure obnoxious to the latter-day gay subculture. Dan Savage is quite antagonistic to bisexuals (when he isn’t pretending they do not exist).

  151. Not Raul says:
    @HammerJack

    Who goes to Chicago to study English?

  152. @Curmudgeon

    Keynes will not be safe, if they ever figure out that what he actually said was that deficits during depressions were OK to stimulate the economy, but were to be paid for by money set aside when there were surpluses.

    Do you really think the Cancellers are paying any attention whatsoever to the substance of their targets’ theories? Do you think they will try to read anything Keynes wrote, or make any attempt to understand what Keynes was saying?

    • Agree: PiltdownMan, HammerJack
    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  153. @prosa123

    He was also a pretty strong advocate for eugenics, stronger than some other people that have already been cancelled for thoughtcrime, he was the director of the Eugenics Society from 1937 to 1944 in Britain. He was also known to be quite critical of Marx, Russians, Jews, and the Soviet Union.

  154. @Ancient Briton

    Judging by the initiative announced below, a few days ago, I expect Russell’s name will be mud by this time next year, if not sooner.

    https://bertrandrussellsociety.org/2020/09/10/cfa-workshop-russell-women/

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  155. Ragno says:
    @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder

    Look at Tucker. World’s largest cable news audience and sponsors are too terrified to sign on. Something’s wrong with that picture.

    #1: World’s largest cable audience, period. Although I believe he’s now running second to Hannity.

    #2: That “picture” vexed and mystified me until I stopped to think a minute: part of the 21st century’s “new normal” (pre-COVID) is unimaginably-gigantic tech firms that are too big to fail in a manner wholly unlike your garden-variety insurance giants or investment banks. Amazon, Google, Apple, and their ilk don’t provide a product in the sense of having bloodthirsty competitors, constant government regulation and oversight, precarious market share, or a customer base they lose sleep at night worrying about walking across the street to the Other Guy: there is no Other Guy. Hell, for the most part there isn’t a product!

    And of course for every politician looking to make trouble for them there are two dozen, or more, eager to jump in front of any bullet that might be fired at them. As “advertisers” go, they don’t book their spots to capitalize on advantageous placement or Nielsen ratings, but to reward/punish lesser corporate entities for their purity of ideology (or lack of same). The same holds true for those lesser corporate entities… who would sooner get drastically less bang for their advertising buck than even accidentally offend their liege-lords. Think about it: Amazon, for instance, can easily afford to lose 100% of every advertising dollar they spend for the next 20 years without it ever touching their bottom line. And after COVID? Make that 50.

    Speaking of 50 – fifty years ago, CBS alarmed/astounded industry wags by outright cancelling much of their perennial top-20 programming such as GUNSMOKE, MAYBERRY RFD, BEVERLY HILLBILLIES, etc. Now – why would any broadcasting giant do such a foolishly counter-intuitive thing?! Because they were now big enough, and the television audience understood to be a hostage audience with nowhere else to go, that they could now afford to signal their utter contempt for the sort of loyal, unpretentious audiences (i.e., flyover-country hicks) that same programming had cultivated for years and years. CBS now had bigger fish to fry as demonstrated by 60 MINUTES and Dan Rather’s snarky on-camera Nixon-baiting….and just knowing that those damn PETTICOAT JUNCTION mouth-breathers were widely viewed as their corporate bread and butter became an increasingly-irritating pebble in their Gucci loafers.

    Same principle with Google/Apple/Amazon, and the people’s choice among the cable-news bill of fare: Fox. That’s why, when the pilot-fish corporations hopped off the NewsCorp bandwagon, they made certain to issue insultingly-condescending tweets informing one and all that they would no longer be risking dysentery by drinking the water on Fox News…..they sent the proper message – but not to the public….to the Bezos-Gates-Larry Page crowd. The audience that really matters.

  156. MBlanc46 says:
    @Anonymous

    Kant knew a lot of things about a lot of places because he read a lot.

  157. @Not Raul

    Who goes to Chicago to study English?

    U Chicago’s English department is the joint #1-rated program in the USA, tied with Cal Berkeley, according to US News: LINK

    • Replies: @Muggles
    , @Not Raul
  158. @Anonymous

    Einstein’s theory has of course nothing at all to do with moral relativity, the relativity Luce was characterizing as “Godless”. Hence Einstein doesn’t symbolize anything regarding the relativity she was objecting to. It’s like saying Richard Culter was trying to normalize homosexuality in the 1920s when he coined the term “The Gay Nineties ” for his Life magazine drawings of the 1890s. Gay didn’t have that meaning then .

    • Thanks: Muggles
  159. HA says:
    @vinteuil

    “I’m puzzled by the inclusion of Foucault, here…what did he ever do or say that might get him cancelled?”

    Michel Foucault argued that children are able to give consent to sexual relations, saying that assuming “that a child is incapable of explaining what happened and was incapable of giving his consent are two abuses that are intolerable, quite unacceptable.” Foucault, Sartre, and newspapers such as Libération and Le Monde each defended the idea of child-adult sexual relationships.

    That being said, as the article notes, he was in distinguished company. From about the 50’s to the mid-70’s, American psychologists also didn’t think child rape was a big deal, and that it derived solely from the hangups that a sexually-repressed society attached to it, so that as long as the police and the courts didn’t make a big deal of it, everything would be fine. (Compare that to their similar insistence that if no one makes a big deal over a baby boy’s penis being cut off and simply assumes the child is henceforth a girl, all will be well.)

    For some reason, little details like this are rarely mentioned when it is noted that abuse by priests peaked right about the same time (and it should likewise be remembered that another reason for this was that psychologists were, as late as the early 90’s, confident that they could cure pedophilia just as easily as they could convince a castrated baby boy that he was now a girl). That pernicious rehabilitate-and-quietly-shuffle-off-to-a-fresh-start-in-a-new-parish routine that became common back then was actually in line with so-called expert advice (though admittedly, church bureaucrats don’t need outside endorsements when it comes to burying bodies quietly and pretending nothing is wrong).

    It was the height of blank-slate lunacy. In Germany, the state even purposely placed foster children with pedophiles for decades because they thought their condition would make them extra devoted parental figures.

    Will Foucault get cancelled? I don’t know. But as to what he actually deserves, it’s far worse than that.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
  160. Tusk says:
    @prosa123

    They’ll cancel Hoppe to protect Keynes.

    Hoppe also suggested that John Maynard Keynes’s homosexuality might explain his economic views, with which Hoppe disagreed

  161. @PiltdownMan

    Judging by the initiative announced below, a few days ago, I expect Russell’s name will be mud by this time next year, if not sooner.

    Wasn’t he the one who said that if it weren’t for the existence of children, there would be no point to marriage laws, and thus they wouldn’t exist?

  162. @Kratoklastes

    They’re the reason why internet routers are pronounced “router” instead of “rooter”, even though they ought to have gotten a hint as to the proper pronunciation from “Route 66“. A router digs grooves in things.

    That’s a Midwestern thing, like drinking “pop”. In forty years in that part of the country I’ve steadfastly held on to the Eastern, i.e., standard pronunciation.

    I knew what routers did for the computers they rhyme with. But when taking up woodworking, I had to look up what those routers did.

    Turns out they rout. So I’m the only one in town who uses both pronunciations, one at Best Buy and one at Hardware Hank or Ace.

  163. anon[446] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    I saw an article in which they said (in all seriousness) that Freedom was going to be a real life Wakanda.

    97 acres next to a small town is basically a housing development. Maybe space for a fish pond / aquaculture, and some 5 acre community garden, while most adults commute to a job somewhere else. It won’t be self sufficient in anything, and I bet that the county subdivision codes haven’t even been examined.

    The level of self-esteem in many black Americans continues to surprise me. It’s somewhere near the International Space Station.

  164. anon[446] • Disclaimer says:
    @James O'Meara

    A Liberal (Mill, etc.) understands ideas have limits.

    Show me some of these liberals. Are you sure Mill really believed in any limits, for example? I mean actual “can’t exceed the speed of light” hard limits, not “we can’t get away with this stuff yet” perpetual one-way ratchet kind of “limits”.

    A “Progressive” (note the name) can never stop.

    100 years ago certain people called themselves “progressives” at the end of the “progressive era”. Stuff like Woody Wilson’s borderline police state plus Prohibition made “progressive” get stinky. So by the 30’s the same people became “liberals”, and remained “liberals into the 90’s. But 60 years of stink got stinky, so now the same sort of people are “progressives” again.

    The difference between “liberal” and “progressive” is purely a matter of labeling.

    The Woke today are just liberals in a hurry…

  165. @Peter Johnson

    But he did something sacred : he advocated states running big deficits by borrowing to (((private banks))), and without Keynesian big deficits, no affirmative action nor make-work. You can’t ask a BLM to cancel welfare and free spending, as the belief in the existence of free money prevented by White Scrooge McDucks to flow freely is the most central tenet of any Black cult worthy of the name. Keynes is also known as the praiser of ancient Egypt, which he thought to be Black, and pyramid construction as a way to prevent crises and keep salaries high.

  166. @dfordoom

    I don’t agree : Marx owes his positive image he still enjoys, despite the abandonment of socialism even by China, due to the corporate world only, not due to the masses who spontaneously would have rather been anarchistic and of course antisemitic, like Feurbach, like Proudhon. A reference to Marx in any political organization is the absolute guarantee it will work in a dishonest way and at the advantage of the corporate world against all useful idiots. For instance Tsipras in Greece could never have done what he did to betray his own people by caving in to the Troika without first founding a radical marxist party to justify his doings. Canceling Karl Marx from a leftist group is like canceling Jesus from a church. Without Jesus you cannot form human herds to fleece as a pastor for the salvation of their soul. Without Karl Marx you cannot betray your working class indefinitely in the name of historical necessity for the salvation of their class consciousness. Moreover any too insistent and direct attack against Karl Marx is necessarily antisemitic as he alone went the furthest against more traditional ways of being Jewish without being classified as such, to the point even Milton Friedman abstained from attacking him lest it might result into more antisemitism. Marxism is the supreme science of explaining away all evils of clearly Jewish origin, and that cannot be cancelled : without Karl Marx as a caution the black woke movement will turn antisemitic for sure, that is actually the main reason why he is an obligatory subject of study. All African black resentment movements that reject Karl Marx as a dead white man rapidly turn against the Jews as the real pioneers of Atlantic Slave Trade, hence Mugabe and the SA ANC’s scrupulous adherence to Marx as a figure of reverence. Marx was followed by too many prophets of awokening to be canceled. Contrary to what you say sponsors won’t allow you to cancel Marx, as he is a nearly magical guarantee that your organism is dishonest.

  167. @syonredux

    Of course he has to be cancelled. Real well-working elegant semaphores are an exclusively Black invention. Any white making money designing semaphores is guilty of cultural appropriation.

  168. jim jones says:
    @Anonymous

    Karl Marx epitomizes equality and therefore fairness.

  169. @Altai

    Mark Edmundson in The American Scolar about the fading attractiveness of literary science:
    https://theamericanscholar.org/teach-what-you-love/#.X2Edn2gzZPb  

    “But the current model is full of holes. The work it produces by way of scholarship often shows signs of brilliance, but it is sterile. No one reads it to enlarge one’s spirit. Scholarly books now are not so much read and savored as they are positioned one atop the other for the aspirant to climb in order to write his or her own volume and gain position and preferment—though, given the state of the art, these emoluments will be had by few, and fewer all the time. How long, really, will we draw any students at all, if what we do is mock the meat that feeds us and has for so long? Says Emerson in “The Conservative,” “The past has baked your loaf and in the strength of its bread you would break up the oven.” Not so fast, my dear friends. Not so fast. When I reflect on our situation, I sometimes think: “It’s as though some people might go into the study of astronomy because certain planets actively annoyed them.” If we continue to judge literature as a waste site teeming with toxins, how long before the students will simply say, “I think I’ll avoid that locale altogether and do my business elsewhere”? Indeed, they are already doing that.”

    Russel Smith is going in the same direction – here is his article about the end of his arts column which ran for decades in the Globe and Mail  – which caused not much attention – let alone protest:

    https://thewalrus.ca/how-algorithms-are-changing-what-we-read-online/

    I know some people at German universities – they all say things that sound alike. Especially that their students are not willing to read books.

  170. @AKAHorace

    You sound bit testy, is Michelle threatening to throw you out a window again ?

    She was speaking in code: she meant “drag me out of the closet”.

    My point is that no-one’s going to defend Rawls, nor feel conflicted about his defenestration – or at least, not with as much gusto as wi’ t’others. No resistance = pushover

  171. @utu

    Perhaps it was thanks to Kant Germans including even the Nazis did not fall into the epistemological trap of vulgar empiricism best represented by the IQist universe of Galton, Spearman the their epigone like Jensen. Too bad that Binet died at 54 when he was at the height of his career. Perhaps he would have had a moderating influence on the extreme empiricists and reductionists of the Anglo world.

    The Brits are hardly without sin. (Ex. i’d put the root of the 20th century’s unpleasantness at the British (and French) Empire’s which rising nations more or less had to chafe against.) But Anglosphere nations have generally been among the world’s most pleasant and prosperous and free–at least until say 1960 or so.

    No one paying the least bit of attention would say the current troubles in the West are from a surfeit of “empiricism”.

    Rather they lie in the rejection of Anglo empiricism for Jewish wishing-and-hoping theorizing and assertion–marketplace verbal gymnastics. (And that nonsense flowing out from the world dominant USA.)

    I’m theoretically inclined myself, put great stock in reason, in logic. But again and again we see the same thing: humans doing theorizing not fairly closely moored to the world’s realities create nonsense, castles in the air, and when they get to put their nonsense into practice create hideous dystopias.

    • Thanks: utu
  172. Art Deco says:

    (Ex. i’d put the root of the 20th century’s unpleasantness at the British (and French) Empire’s which rising nations more or less had to chafe against.)

    That’s completely crazy.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  173. Anon[639] • Disclaimer says:

    Next to be cancelled: Marx. He can be crucified by the #Metoo girls, and anyway Marxism has been handily supplanted by by the more usefu neomarxisms (gender ideology, BLM, feminism).

    Plato has ALREADY been cancelled. How could it be otherwise? Don’t you know the of Socrates is a premonition of the Christ? Just look at his terms: truth, soul, virtue, human nature, good, human nature.. “The Republic or of Justice”? “It is never right to do wrong”??

  174. Muggles says:
    @Apostate BYU Alumnus

    The Mormons are conservative Republicans. They’d never rename BYU because of wokism, you might say

    You might be correct.

    But they recently announced that their church must be (always) called The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Not “Mormon” or by initials LDS.

    That is now in their official Style Guide, though how widely this will be applied to some specific groups (like the Mormon Tabernacle Choir) remains to be seen.

    So for some reason they are getting the Name-ism bug. Or ReName-ism bug. Or Full Name-ism bug.

    Don’t know if this is due to wokism. It may be that they want “Jesus Christ” in their common usage name. To prevent confusion with the Scientologists or other non Christian sects.

    This edict is unlikely to be widely adopted by the non “Mormon” public. That full name is too much of a mouthful. Americans like names to be short and snappy. Or acronyms. LOL!

    • Replies: @Apostate BYU Alumnus
  175. @Kratoklastes

    Kant does not rhyme with “rant“. If anything, it more closely rhymes with “runt“.

    “Runt” does not rhyme with pissant. You’re mighty uppity about a pronunciation for which the English are clearly to blame.

  176. Muggles says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    U Chicago’s English department is the joint #1-rated program in the USA

    Soon to be past tense.

  177. @The Last Real Calvinist

    In context, Prosa123 stated “Keynes probably will be safe because he was gay.”

    My point was that Keynes being gay would not save him. I understand the Cancellers are automatons.

  178. vinteuil says:
    @HA

    Let me clarify: there are all kinds of reasons why MF ought to be cancelled…but it’s not like the people in charge of getting people cancelled care about any of that stuff.

  179. @Muggles

    That is now in their official Style Guide, though how widely this will be applied to some specific groups (like the Mormon Tabernacle Choir) remains to be seen.

    They actually did rename the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. The new name is *The Tabernacle Choir at Temple Square.”

    Trying to ditch the nickname “Mormon” is a colossally stupid mistake. They’d spent decades building up their branding arpijd “Mormom”, and now all the time, effort, and money will have been for naught. Few people are going to go along with their new fetish for always using the full name of their church “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints” is just too much of a mouthful. Trying to ditch “Mormon” is just going to confuse people.

    Such rebrandings are usually a mark of desperation by an organization in decline. And indeed, the Mormon church is hemorrhaging members and is failing to attract new converts (the internet is mostly to blame–it has become trivially easy to discover all the problems with the church’s history and the ways it has tried to bury these problems and hide them from its members).

  180. Not Raul says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    according to US News

    Who cares? Studying Shakespeare in England sounds more fun.

  181. anon[889] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    dont know, but if asians had their way, Einstein might be the FIRST to go…
    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/jun/12/einsteins-travel-diaries-reveal-shocking-xenophobia

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