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Not surprisingly, Asian-0wned businesses are being ransacked:

We need our weaves!

Democrat government officials are being their usual helpful selves:

 
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  1. “Defund the police!”

  2. Oppressed people of color helping themselves to much-deserved reparations.

    • Replies: @bomag
    , @Possumman
  3. JohnnyD says:

    Is this part of the infrastructure bill?

    • LOL: HammerJack, Gabe Ruth
  4. El Dato says:

    Anti-Gentrification effort increasing.

    • Replies: @Kronos
  5. jon says:

    Gwen and I are praying for Daunte Wright’s family

    Just think of all of the children that are without a father now, and probably before.

  6. anon[348] • Disclaimer says:

    Is this part of a rush to judgement?

    • Replies: @Anon7
  7. Not Raul says:

    There’s a Brooklyn Center in Minnesota?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Adam Smith
  8. anon[348] • Disclaimer says:

    I wonder how many of these businesses have “Only Black Lives Matter” posters up?
    How many even gave money to OBLM?

  9. Democrat government officials…

    There certainly isn’t much farmer or labor left in the D-F-L!

  10. El Dato says:

    Zelensky Levels of Self-Assurance at Huntington Beach:

    The Black Lives Matter counter-protesters celebrated a victory. “We’ve got too big, we’ve got too scary. There’s too much media here. The police are’nt going to be shooting us today,” a man with a megaphone, apparently one of the organizers of the counter-action, has said, declaring that the activists “have already won this war.”

    Counter-protesters vastly outnumber ‘klansmen’ at California #WhiteLivesMatter rally as much-publicized event fails to materialize

    Rare Encounters of the Third Kind with Nazis:

  11. One aspect of this is how grossly slanted most of the media’s accounts and politicians’ statements have become.

    Offhand, it would appear that if black, one is entitled to simply flee if the police discover one has an outstanding warrant and if one is shot in consequence, all blacks acquire a license to loot, jump on police cars, and generally carry on without interference. This will be labeled ‘peaceful protest,’ and our leaders will encourage the blacks to continue.

    I also wonder how an officer came to be injured. Did the martyred Duante happen to run over him, prompting another officer to open fire?

    • Replies: @HammerJack
  12. @Not Raul

    There’s a Brooklyn Center in Minnesota?

    Brooklyn Township was named after tiny Brooklyn, Michigan, which in turn was named after Brooklyn, New York, which was named for Breukelen, Holland.

    Brooklyn Center (ca. 30,000) and Jesse Ventura’s Brooklyn Park (75,000) were daughter villages of the township, then cities. That makes them at least fifth-generation names.

    Apparently, villages automatically secede from their townships under the Northwest Ordinance, unlike villages in the Northeast, which remain part of their towns. Minnesota east of the Mississippi was in both Michigan and Wisconsin Territories, and the law carried over into the present states.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    , @Stan d Mute
  13. anon[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @El Dato

    Very heartening to see that lone white stand up for himself against the rainbow horde. According to a twitter comment under the one you shared, both men were arrested and the nazi was released from custody before the asian/hispanic/whatever that attempted to waylay him was. Justice served.

  14. Alright Brooklyn, Mi. nice place last time I was out that way.
    We shall see though once they achieve complete “diversity”.?

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
  15. Just blow the bridges and let the protests burn themselves out in the restricted area.

  16. @Colin Wright

    Steve himself put it best: Negroes have decided that they don’t have to submit to arrest whenever they’re not in the mood.

    Art Deco also said something about their self-perception as a warrior caste :

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/gone-with-the-wendys/#comment-3966884

    • Replies: @vinteuil
    , @Colin Wright
  17. @R.G. Camara

    Screw that! It’s the governor who needs to be defunded.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  18. Anon[231] • Disclaimer says:

    Remember when the railroad company and Chicago cops wanted to run a sting operation against freight theft in Chicago, and they left an 18-wheeler parked in a ghetto area, filled with Nike shoe boxes? The reaction was like, how can you reasonably expect young black males not to commit felonies if Nike shoes are involved?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/24/us/chicago-bait-truck.html

    From one of the videos, a fat black woman explaining why all the muscular kids are stealing shoes because of food insecurity:

    “When you live in the conditions that we live in, communities that are starving and you are hungry, those conditions and your situations make choices for you.”

    These starving people all have smart phones, cars … and tattoos (are tattoos free these days?).

  19. Brooklyn, near Michigan International Speedway (NASCAR), lots of Trump flags. It might go “diverse” but not anytime soon.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  20. According to the NY Post story:

    https://nypost.com/2021/04/11/protests-erupt-after-minnesota-police-fatally-shoot-driver/

    … It was not immediately clear why Wright, who was with his girlfriend at the time, was stopped. But police said he had an outstanding warrant. …

    An outstanding warrant. Isn’t that always the way?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @El Dato
  21. Thoughts says:
    @El Dato

    I know a weird liberal white male who is masculine, straight and obsessed with Punching Nazis (looks like a clone of Earl Warren which makes it weirder)

    I think growing up, the media sent these weirdos the message that killing Nazis was the ultimate test of Masculinity and American-ness

    But there are no Nazis

    So…gotta play make-believe

  22. If they holler, let them go policing.

  23. ic1000 says:

    Suggestion: The State of Minnesota can have the murderers of Daunte Wright join Derek Chauvin as co-defendants. Since the cases are identical, the Brooklyn cops can be assigned the same sentence as Chauvin when he’s found guilty.

    Justice should be both swift and certain.

  24. The statement by Walz is vile even by liberal standards. He totally pre-judges the situation, assumes the black is a poor innocent victim, and throws Law Enforcement under the bus. If I were a policeman in MN, I would be leery of enforcing the law on any black, lest the state government come down on me like a ton of bricks.

    • Replies: @Sick 'n Tired
  25. bomag says:
    @Ripple Earthdevil

    … and the store owners didn’t even build the stuff; someone else made that happen.

    Oppressed people of color are just taking their stuff. Reparations are yet to come.

  26. Arclight says:

    My initial reaction is “good” since obviously we have a significant number of whites in the US that need to be reminded why appeasing the SJW crowd is a fool’s errand. On the other hand, I feel bad for Minnesotans, whose pathological niceness means they will just take this laying down in perpetuity.

  27. Anon7 says:
    @anon

    Or… is it a rush to savings!

    That’s free stuff, my friend.

  28. Travis says:
    @Thoughts

    maybe he is naziphobic.

    Had a friend who was homophobic, he hated queers. We suspected he may have been a closet homosexual. Homophobes Might Be Hidden Homosexuals was a trope in the nineties. Using the same logic we can assume Naziphobes are hidden fascists and ttacked supposed Nazis to hide their true feelings.

    • Agree: photondancer
  29. Art Deco says:

    The granular details aren’t available. Evidently he had an outstanding warrant, there was some sort of scuffle and he was able to get in his car and drive away. The officer shot him while he was driving away.

    Walz is unfit for any sort of responsible job, much less state governor.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  30. Hibernian says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    In Illinois if you’re in a village you’re still in a civil township. If you’re in a city, generally not, although at least one city around Chicago (Evanston) has a corresponding civil township, and also township school district, with a high school called Evanston Township High School.

  31. Jack D says:
    @Joe Magarac

    Addressing a crowd that had gathered, Daunte’s mom said, “her son was pulled over because of an air freshener he had inside his car” but in her grief she forgot to mention the outstanding warrants against him.

    This is standard and lawful police tactics and very helpful in suppressing crime. The cops are allowed to pull motorists over for any violation of the vehicle code no matter how trivial. Once they initiate the stop they can run your license and registration to see if there are any open warrants or if the vehicle has been reported stolen, they can question you to see if you appear to be under the influence and they can peer into your car and see if you have any open containers, unconcealed drugs or weapons, etc. The real point of pulling you over is not really because you have a taillight bulb out but to allow them to do the latter. It’s like going fishing – if you don’t cast the line you’re never going to catch any fish.

    Or else they can eat donuts all night until it’s time to collect their pensions while the Daunte’s of the world are free to go about their business despite their outstanding warrants. Apparently blacks prefer it the latter way. They would prefer to have criminals with open warrants roaming the streets than having their sons arrested because the latter and the former are one and the same people.

  32. peterike says:

    If this “sit back and let them riot” response by Cuck Walz is any indication of what his response will be to the inevitable ten-times-worse Chauvin riots, then it’s not looking good for the kind, self-annihilating white idiots of Minnesota that elected the guy.

    • Replies: @Forbes
  33. peterike says:
    @Jack D

    This is standard and lawful police tactics and very helpful in suppressing crime.

    Yup. It’s stop-and-frisk done with cars. Street level stop-and-frisk of course had a great deal to do with New York City’s miraculous success with stopping crime (ask someone in 1990 if it was possible, and they’d burst into laughter — yet it was done). Of course, stop-and-frisk got stopped by a Jewish judge, and DiBlasio and Cuomo doubled and tripled down on stupid ideas — no more bail, genius! — and the result has been a LOT more dead black bodies, and lots of other folks too.

    All 100% predictable. It’s no longer a mystery how to fight crime in urban America. We have the textbook methodology and it works. They just don’t want to do it.

    • Agree: Forbes
    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
  34. El Dato says:
    @Anon

    It’s like a mashup of “dat suffering” memes to explain disfunction.

    If they could speak Ukrainian, you would hear about that too.

  35. El Dato says:
    @Joe Magarac

    This time it’s “air fresheners”.

    But you really only get executed over air fresheners by other blacks, so let’s see that body cam.

    They explains:

    These tweets also show the logic-processing part of the brain of a good part of the populace is shot to hell.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    , @Father O'Hara
  36. @Jack D

    Or else they can eat donuts all night until it’s time to collect their pensions while the Daunte’s of the world are free to go about their business despite their outstanding warrants. Apparently blacks prefer it the latter way.

    As do DWLs and everyone in the Establishment.

    And as usual, we deplorables will have to pay the price of their insanity.

  37. Mr. Anon says:
    @Anon

    These starving people all have smart phones, cars … and tattoos (are tattoos free these days?).

    Starting this year, tattoos will be considered as “infrastructure”.

  38. Mr. Anon says:

    I am closely monitoring the situation in Brooklyn Center. Gwen and I are praying for Daunte Wright’s family as our state mourns another life of a Black man taken by law enforcement.

    — Governor Tim Walz

    I’m sure that the Governor instantly taking the side of a perp over the cops is something that Minnesota police officers really appreciate.

    Note to cops: The way that you think of politicians is not unlike the way that a lof of us (the public) think of you. As people who supposedly hold a public trust and are supposed to be on our side, but really we know that you will just do whatever your masters tell you to do no matter how illegal or immoral it may be.

  39. Mr. Anon says:
    @Thoughts

    I know a weird liberal white male who is masculine, straight and obsessed with Punching Nazis (looks like a clone of Earl Warren which makes it weirder)

    I think growing up, the media sent these weirdos the message that killing Nazis was the ultimate test of Masculinity and American-ness

    Having an enemy who now only exists in history books is certainly a lot safer. You are unlikely to be smacked on the head with a bike-lock by long-since-dead brownshirts.

    These poseurs may as well go around saying: Man, I really hate Visigoths! Those damned Visigoths had best stay out of my way or I will really f**k them up!

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  40. black sea says:
    @Jack D

    I watched a Frontline (PBS) documentary a few months ago about policing and the tensions between cops and residents in Newark. Crime in Newark is of course largely committed by young black males, most of whom live in or near their preferred hunting grounds. The filmmaker met with a neighborhood group made up of Newark’s black bourgeoisie. These people, relatively restrained and articulate in their comments, made it clear that they wanted safer neighborhoods and lower property crimes rates, but they didn’t want cops questioning young men on the street who weren’t obviously engaged in criminal activity.

    The filmmaker then asked them to suggest an alternative approach. The solution to this problem was, apparently, “intelligence.” Not in the IQ sense, but rather in the “intelligence gathering” sense. In other words, the police should know the inhabitants so well that they unerringly questioned or detained the bad actors, while leaving everyone else alone. This despite the fact that codes of street behavior strictly prohibit informing the police about anyone’s criminal activity.

    Although the homeowner’s group settled on “intelligence” as their preferred approach, and repeated the word several times like a mantra, they appeared to do so without conviction. Even they seemed to recognize that this was just something to say rather than acknowledge that Newark was going to be a high-crime city throughout their lives, and zones of relative security could only be maintained by stopping and questioning the young men who wander the streets.

    • Thanks: Harry Baldwin, AnotherDad
    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    , @ic1000
  41. @Not Raul

    Brooklyn Center is halfway between Minneapolis and Coon Rapids.

    https://www.google.com/maps/place/Brooklyn+Center,+MN

    • Agree: Shel100
  42. Kronos says:
    @El Dato

    Imagine all the “lost battalion” gentrifiers trapped behind enemy lines with no support.

  43. @Anon

    A friend of mine belongs to a church that was organizing a drive to provide winter coats and school supplies to children of poor parents in the locale. The parents lined up to receive the items.

    My friend asked one of the organizers if they would consider organizing a drive to provide flat screen TVs and expensive sneakers to these parents. The organizer said, “Of course not, those aren’t necessities.”

    My friend responded, “These parents buy those things themselves.”

    • Replies: @black sea
    , @Forbes
  44. @Thoughts

    But there are no Nazis

    According to the Progressives everyone who voted for Trump is a Nazi, so there’s 78 million of us.

  45. Possumman says:
    @Ripple Earthdevil

    Oppressed people of color helping themselves to (much deserved reparations) shoes.

  46. The driver was stopped for .. what? He had an outstanding warrant for.. what?

    Here we (sounds like) go again:

    • Cops as bogus-law enforcers.
    • Escalation to a street execution.

    Meanwhile, in another part of town, some thug just clobbered an elderly Asian lady. He walked away laughing about it.

  47. @R.G. Camara

    Defund Minnesota/Boycott Minnesota

    They brought this on themselves.

  48. Tim Walz is such a disgusting pig.

    It amazes me such a man can remain governor, after repeatedly sabotaging his own state.

    • Replies: @Sick 'n Tired
  49. black sea says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    The wife of friend of mine was involved in a school-based charity which gave rent money to families who were about to be evicted. One of the beneficiaries came from a single-mother household which was months’ behind on the rent already. Shortly after receiving the money, the girl showed up at school with a tongue ring. She proudly displayed the tongue ring to friends, teachers, and classmates, and neither mother nor daughter understood why those who had contributed money objected.

    • Replies: @Rouetheday
  50. @Jack D

    Several news outlets are repeating the air-freshener story. I have trouble believing it. Has the MPD issued a statement about it? Seems like that might help.

    The New York Post says the female cop thought she was firing her taser instead of her firearm.

    https://nypost.com/2021/04/12/daunte-wright-police-release-bodycam-footage-of-fatal-shooting/

  51. PJ London says:

    Yadda yaadda yadda.
    All the BS flying around ignores the law.
    First there was no Reasonable Articulable Suspicion of a crime.
    An Air Freshener cannot in any universe be a RAS.
    Thus the stop was pre-textual and probably profiling based on race.
    Second his 4th amendment right was violated by requiring and ID without probable cause of a crime.
    Third opening fire on a person fleeing unless the crime was a capital crime cannot in any way be justified.
    So yes the blacks are going to go crazy, yes the damage is regrettable, but they have every reason to be peed off at the way the police handle the streets.
    The police earn the hate every single day.
    They profile, they lie on their reports, they lose or create evidence depending on whether it incriminates or exonerates.
    they are not there to prevent crime but to catch criminals after a crime has been committed. But to make their careers look good they invent crimes and shove them on people who have neither the money or the skills to defend themselves.
    Who among us would not defund the FBI? the only difference is that the FBI exonerates Comey, Strucz whatever his name is, and attacks anyone who is or was a Trump supporter.
    The stolen election is ignored and a peaceful protest is called an insurrection.
    The whole Justice system is broken and cannot be fixed.
    98% of cases are found guilty because they will add charges until you plea-bargain or as with Maxwell Raise the bar on bail and incarceration until you are destroyed.
    Defund the whole system.

  52. The cop mistakenly pulled out her gun instead of her taser, the official story now goes. Not gonna be a good look putting a woman on trial

    • Replies: @Polistra
  53. anon[322] • Disclaimer says:

    The driver was stopped for .. what?

    Allegedly for an outstanding arrest warrant.

    He had an outstanding warrant for.. what?

    Not known at this time, but I bet it exists.

    Here we (sounds like) go again:
    • Cops as bogus-law enforcers.
    • Escalation to a street execution.

    That’s the Narrative. Perhaps you could work for CNN?

    On the other hand,

    • Young black man doesn’t want to be arrested.
    • Cop is required to arrest.
    • Young black man decides to drive away.
    • Cop stops him.

    Meanwhile, in another part of town, some thug just clobbered an elderly Asian lady. He walked away laughing about it.

    But the cops aren’t around there because they are having to deal with the usual black mourning process, also known as “looting” in other contexts. Plus that thug you mentioned? He black too! Know what else? He didnu nuffin!

  54. anon[322] • Disclaimer says:
    @HammerJack

    The vid at the top of the NY Post article looks like legit body cam vid. The trouble starts when the 20 year old black man decides he won’t be handcuffed, rather he’ll be driving away. It all goes downhill from there. He could have gone along, called his mama from jail and been bailed out, or maybe even no-bailed out with a ticket or a summons.

    He could still be alive. But…no. He decided to flee the scene. With predictable results.

    The female officer sounds black and her hands look mulatto, but I could be wrong. Confusing the Glock for the Taser happens more often than it should, and that’s both a training issue and an intelligence issue.

    It’s a sad thing all around. But it started when the young black man decided to resist arrest. His choice.

    • Replies: @WJ
  55. The only question I have is why rubber bullets were used against rioters instead of live ammo?

  56. @HammerJack

    There’s nothing odd about the air-freshener story per se. Politicians can pass all sorts of stupid laws and police are then supposed to enforce them. It’s perfectly plausible that a cop saw he some air-freshener where it shouldn’t be according to the law and decided to check on this. Then they realized that this chum was wanted for something else and that is where the story really begins. We’ll have to wait for news about what the warrant was about. If it turns that a female cop couldn’t tell the difference between a gun and a taser then you should expect to hear another round of lectures about male privilege.

  57. @Reg Cæsar

    That’s crazy! They must have been gigantic cheesehead race fans, ‘cause there ain’t nuttin in Brooklyn except for Penske’s big oval.

    You know that Brooklyn is in an area generally known as the Irish Hills?

  58. @Detroit Refugee

    Brother, it’s going to be a LONG time before Brooklyn gets diversified. You could spend the summer there now and never see any except for a handful of workers on race weekends. It’s still a good little drive from either Jackson or Adrian and there’s no public transportation.

    • Replies: @Detroit Refugee
  59. @Servant of Gla'aki

    That seems to be what every democrat elected official’s main job is these days. Destroy the state or city they are in charge of. NY, NYC, Chicago, Minnesota, Minneapolis, Oregon, Portland, Seattle, California, San Fran, Oakland, LA, and now they are getting bailed out by the head criminals in charge the federal government who can’t print and give away billions to these abject failures fast enough, instead of allowing them to wallow in the messes their ridiculous policies created. These morons are shitting the bed over and over, then complaining about the stench.

  60. vhrm says:
    @Jack D

    This is standard and lawful police tactics and very helpful in suppressing crime. The cops are allowed to pull motorists over for any violation of the vehicle code no matter how trivial. Once they initiate the stop they can run your license and registration to see if there are any open warrants or if the vehicle has been reported stolen, they can question you to see if you appear to be under the influence and they can peer into your car and see if you have any open containers, unconcealed drugs or weapons, etc. The real point of pulling you over is not really because you have a taillight bulb out but to allow them to do the latter. It’s like going fishing – if you don’t cast the line you’re never going to catch any fish.

    Standard, lawful and also completely antithetical to the Fourth Amendment.

    Yes, the SC says it’s ok, apparently the controlling case on pretextual stops currently is
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whren_v._United_States from 1996

    Scalia noted previous cases involving police stops. Using Delaware v. Prouse (1979) and other cases, Scalia claimed that because there was a traffic violation, the search and seizure did not violate constitutional rights: “such stops could be made regardless of an officer’s true intentions.”

    but i still hope for a renaissance in respect for privacy whether by the legislative or judicial branches. It annoys me that any such gains will be made on the basis of equity, “social justice”, and disparate impact to black people, but i’ll take it.

  61. Whiskey says: • Website

    So here we go. Female cop. FEMALE. As in the Future Is. That’s different. White women have had it easy in the anti-White male hatred, and often joined in, and now it will be their turn on the wheel.

    Likely, Biden / Dr. Jill will issue an executive order commanding all cops not to ever arrest or stop any black person anywhere for anything. That is the demand of the protesters and it is the only logical outcome for the Civil Rights Movement. Dr. King’s Dream was young black men punching out elderly Asians, laughing, and White men being blamed.

    The female cop will HAVE to be tried for murder, and convicted. Its the law. Black beats everything. A person’s value under the law is tied to gender, sexuality, and above all, skin color. Its a caste system and has been since the beginning of the Civil Rights Movement.

    Meanwhile expect most major Corporations to expand on their Zoom Call to punish states enacting anti-fraud measures (bitch Mitch caved like he always does) to explicit and allowed anti-White quotas.

  62. @CCZ

    They always believe that wearing glasses makes them look more intelligent. Or, at least, more credible.

    Hey, it worked for Keith Ellison, the “People’s Lawyer,” and now the Minnesota State Attorney General.

  63. Forbes says:
    @CCZ

    So, the brother is a character witness??

  64. @black sea

    Any onscreen interview time with U.S. Senator (and former Newark Mayor) Cory Booker? I’m sure he’d have lots of thoughtful, novel things to say about the crime situation in the city he used to govern.

    Not.

  65. Forbes says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    a drive to provide winter coats and school supplies to children of poor parents in the locale. The parents lined up to receive the items.

    And how many of the items received by the ‘poor parents’ were sold for cash…

  66. Forbes says:
    @peterike

    the inevitable ten-times-worse Chauvin riots

    And the riots will occur no matter the verdict.

  67. Hibernian says:
    @El Dato

    They can kind of get in the way of seeing what’s behind, and in front, of you.

  68. Hibernian says:
    @HammerJack

    The warrant was for not showing up in court on a gun charge.

    • Replies: @Polistra
  69. JimDandy says:
    @R.G. Camara

    Anything men can do, women can do better?

  70. anon[401] • Disclaimer says:

    The warrant was for not showing up in court on a gun charge.

    Source?

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  71. @Mike_from_SGV

    If I was a policeman in MN I would have resigned last July. Same goes for if I was a cop in NY/Chicago/Philadelphia/Portland/Seattle. Not worth it.

  72. @PJ London

    First there was no Reasonable Articulable Suspicion of a crime.

    In California, if an air freshener is hanging from the rear view mirror, it blocks the view from the windshield and can be charged as a crime. I bet Minnesota has the same law.

    As Jack D has correctly stated, they can take you to jail for the most minor of offenses. See, Atwater v. City of Lago Vista, 532 US 318 (2001). https://www.oyez.org/cases/2000/99-1408

    Second his 4th amendment right was violated by requiring and ID without probable cause of a crime.

    Not true. See, Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada, 542 US 177 (2004). https://www.oyez.org/cases/2003/03-5554

    Third opening fire on a person fleeing unless the crime was a capital crime cannot in any way be justified.

    That’s an argument, not established law. It may very well be justified. See, Plumhoff v. Rickard, 572 US 765 (2014). https://www.oyez.org/cases/2013/12-1117

    • Agree: Hibernian
    • Replies: @PJ London
  73. Polistra says:
    @Known Fact

    Why would she go on trial? The city (taxpayers) will simply settle for millions. The family will be (secretly) delighted.

  74. Polistra says:
    @CCZ

    Judge Cahill appears to have had his mind made up before the trial began. And he’s not going to let these proceedings become a casus belli for the Streets of Minneapolis. The actual jury trial is just a formality.

  75. WJ says:
    @anon

    It happened in Tulsa, Ok a few years ago. The cop went to prison for negligent homicide I think and did a few years in the pen.

    Don’t work up itchy, twitchy cops, who are carrying big guns and you will be ok but it does appear that the AA believe they have the right to not be arrested.

  76. Polistra says:
    @Hibernian

    But the question relates to the probable cause for the traffic stop.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  77. ic1000 says:
    @black sea

    > the police should know the inhabitants so well that they unerringly questioned or detained the bad actors, while leaving everyone else alone.

    21 of those 22 words can be readily accomplished. The sole misfit is “unerringly.”

    Do you mind if 10%, or 1%, or 0.1% of those stop-and-frisks are made erringly? Even if you don’t, I kind of suspect that the frisking cop will, given the likely consequences to his career and pension.

    So, meanwhile, back to the donut shop.

  78. Two key factoids about this shooting … one is that the Mayor of Brooklyn Center Minnesota, Mike Elliott, looked an awful lot like Tiger Woods at the press event about the shooting in his locale

    Secondly, the female officer involved in killing the black guy whom she and her partner were trying to restrain, apparently thought she was firing her taser and not her pistol, even shouting ‘Taser!’ as she put a deadly bullet into him … this seems to happen every now and then, other police taser-pistol claimed confusion cases visible in search results

  79. @El Dato

    Why do these types of fights and protests take place so often in Huntington Beach? Is there something special about that place?

    • Replies: @petit bourgeois
  80. @peterike

    All 100% predictable. It’s no longer a mystery how to fight crime in urban America. We have the textbook methodology and it works. They just don’t want to do it.

    Many problems have simple solutions. The difficulty arises when policymakers don’t like the solutions that worked in the past. As Marty pointed out earlier, going from the 50’s to the 60’s, crime tripled, but inmate populations did not. The rest is history. When you tolerate crime, criminals multiply. These days the creative writers in the media always compare current crime rates (favorably) to the early 90’s crack wars peak. And when journolists said crime rates were at record low several years ago, before Obama’s anti-cop initiatives heartened criminals nationwide, they meant in comparison to the tripled stats of the 60’s rather than the actually low crime rates of the 50’s.

  81. @Ron Mexico

    Brooklyn, near Michigan International Speedway (NASCAR), lots of Trump flags. It might go “diverse” but not anytime soon.

    Too far from Detroit, Lansing, and Toledo.

    The Minnesota Brooklyns are within the ambit of the Twin Cities. Many such farm communities were thus swallowed by suburbia. Blacks and immigrants are moving there. Parisian-style doughnuting.

    Brooklyn, Mich. is 97% white. Brooklyn Center, Minn.? Wikipedia says:

    “The racial makeup of the city was 49.1% White, 25.9% African American, 0.8% Native American, 14.3% Asian, 0.1% Pacific Islander, 5.4% from other races, and 4.4% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 9.6% of the population.”

    Neighboring, larger Brooklyn Park:

    “The racial makeup of the city was 52.2% White, 24.4% African American, 0.5% Native American, 15.4% Asian, 0.1% Pacific Islander, 3.6% from other races, and 3.7% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 6.4% of the population.”

    The exurbanization of race and poverty.

  82. vinteuil says:
    @HammerJack

    Steve himself put it best: Negroes have decided that they don’t have to submit to arrest whenever they’re not in the mood.

    Art Deco also said something about their self-perception as a warrior caste:

    …they’ve gotten it into their head that they’re a warrior caste and police officers are getting above themselves by enforcing community standards on them. Gentry liberals assume and promote this notion…”

    Yup. That pretty much sums it up.

  83. Jack D says:
    @vhrm

    Note that this was a unanimous decision – even the most liberal justice agreed. They have every right to pull you over if they have reasonable suspicion that you are breaking the law. So nine justices say that this does not violate the 4th Amendment but somehow you know the Constitution better than all of them.

    In the Whren case, a vehicle turned at at high speed without using their turning signal when a cop car approached them. For the traffic violation, the officer pulled over Whren and the aptly named Brown. Upon approaching the car, the officer noticed two plastic bags of crack cocaine in Whren’s hands. Marijuana laced with PCP was also found in plain sight. Were the cops supposed to let them go because their main motive was to catch serious criminals and not to catch people for turn signal violations (it was a high crime area and this was an anti-crime patrol)? Sure it’s their motive – it’s their job. The alternative is Baltimore style policing where the criminals have free reign (not a typo).

    OTOH, Prouse says that if you aren’t breaking any laws at all they can’t pull you over. There is an exception for “DUI checkpoints” where they stop everyone.

  84. Jack D says:
    @HammerJack

    Although Daunte was taken from us at the young age of 20, he is survived by at least one child, so we have that consolation.

    The mistaken taser thing appears to be true. They really shouldn’t give the cops tasers – they’re pretty worthless anyway. That way there could be no confusion as to what they are carrying. Or else the taser should be holstered in a completely different way that would make it impossible to confuse the two even in the heat of combat. That little girl is gonna be rich now, at least until she or her baby mamma blows (no pun intended) thru the money.

    The best thing would be to train Negroes to allow themselves to be arrested. All of these unfortunate incidents begin with Negroes who resisted lawful arrests. They would all be alive if they didn’t resist or try to attack the police.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Feryl
  85. Jack D says:
    @PJ London

    Were the cops allowed to arrest him for his open warrant or are they now required to let people with open warrants go? Is there ANYTHING that justifies the arrest and pretrial detention of blacks or should we close the jails and just turn everyone loose unless they voluntarily show up for trial?

    The shooting itself seems to be an unfortunate mistake – the cop only intended to tase him. But if he had just peacefully allowed himself to be taken in on his open warrant then he’s be alive today. I don’t know what the warrant was for but probably he would have been released on no bail and would be back home right now if he hadn’t resisted.

    PS the air freshener thing is just something his mother made up out of whole cloth (blacks like to do stuff like that). He was pulled over for expired tags. Are cops allowed to do this under your version of the 4th Amendment? Or is registering your vehicle now optional if you are black?

    • Replies: @PJ London
    , @Hibernian
  86. @JohnnyWalker123

    Huntington Beach has a long history of skinheads and patriots. It’s a flashpoint of right wing protests.

    The people of HB also elected retired MMA fighter Tito Ortiz to the city council, where he know serves as mayor pro tem.

  87. PJ London says:
    @Jack D

    Unless it was for a capital crime, the shooting of a person who is not threatening his life will always be unwarranted.
    It is impossible to mistake a Taser for a firearm.
    The problem is that cops carry guns 24/7 and they rarely get to use them, so it is exciting to have an excuse, any excuse, to use them.
    The cops get-off on force and bullying. It is the reason they take the job and stick. Any sane person quits in the academy once they realise what is expected of them.
    Cops are the Stanford Experiment people who happily administered lethal shocks to students who did not do as they were told.

  88. anon[303] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    The best thing would be to train Negroes to allow themselves to be arrested.

    • Agree: Polistra
  89. PJ London says:
    @petit bourgeois

    Air freshener is like ‘Jay walking’ a pretext not a crime.
    Minnesota :
    “While there is no statute covering this issue, it’s important to comply with the police if you are able. That means that legally speaking, you need not automatically identify yourself just because a police officer asks for it, but if they can give just cause for stopping you, you need to tell them who you are” but again unlawful stop.
    I did not say it was a ‘law’ I called it unjustified.
    If you were to open fire on a fleeing criminal, even if you found in your house and he ran with your wallet, you do not have a justified cause to open fire.
    “… landmark decision by the Supreme Court in 1985.

    The justices ruled 6-3 that shooting fleeing suspects who are not an imminent threat violates the person’s constitutional rights. They said officers can use lethal force to stop a fleeing felon only if they have reasonable grounds to think the suspect is a danger to police or bystanders. And they added that officers should, if possible, shout out a warning before firing.”

  90. Jack D says:
    @PJ London

    It is impossible to mistake a Taser for a firearm.

    And yet the impossible happens all the time:

    Dashcam video released Monday shows a Kansas police officer shooting and wounding a man in a case in which the rookie officer told investigators SHE mistakenly fired HER firearm instead of her Taser.

    https://local12.com/news/around-the-web/officer-mistakes-gun-for-stun-gun-shoots-man-in-pennsylvania-jail

    Officer mistakes gun for stun gun, shoots man in Pennsylvania jail

    https://www.aele.org/law/Digests/civilweapons.html

    A police officer who claimed that SHE intended to use her Taser M26 on a handcuffed detainee, but instead shot him in the chest with a semiautomatic pistol, was not entitled to qualified immunity in a lawsuit over his death.

    An officer who shot a man running away who was only suspected of a misdemeanor failure to pay child support was not entitled to summary judgment. Even though the officer claimed he intended to use his Taser M26 rather than his gun…

    One officer stated that he had intended to use a Taser against one of a group of young men being detained on a transit station platform, but that he mistakenly drew his pistol and fired a single shot into his back, killing him.

    California appellate court affirms the conviction of a BART police officer who mistakenly discharged his firearm, when he intended to deploy his M26 Taser — killing a man who was resisting arrest.

    The officer intended to draw and fire his Taser M26, but mistakenly pulled out and fired his gun instead.

    An officer shot an intoxicated man with his Glock firearm, asserting that he had mistaken the Glock for his Taser M26.

    So there have been at least 8 cases before Daunte, probably many more.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  91. Feryl says:
    @Jack D

    Tasers are worthless by design. They exist for PR reasons (batons being phased out due to their capacity to actually hurt people, e.g the very thing that makes them an effective weapon). Furthermore, tasers are far less intimidating for obvious reasons.

  92. @HammerJack

    ‘Steve himself put it best: Negroes have decided that they don’t have to submit to arrest whenever they’re not in the mood.

    Art Deco also said something about their self-perception as a warrior caste :’

    Blacks are a lot of very stupid people who deal in the most primitive terms imaginable.

    If you allow them to think they’re the alpha males, they’ll start being the alpha males.

    It doesn’t work with dogs, and it won’t work with blacks. We’re just setting ourself up for a lot of blood, sweat, and tears — and the longer we pretend otherwise, the worse it will be.

    A whole lot of people are going to suffer, and it was all predictable.

    • Agree: Sick 'n Tired
  93. @Jack D

    ‘…An officer shot an intoxicated man with his Glock firearm, asserting that he had mistaken the Glock for his Taser M26.

    So there have been at least 8 cases before Daunte, probably many more.’

    …and there will be more in the future.

    If you keep getting into confrontations with the police, attempting to evade arrest, etc, statistically, shit’s going to go sideways eventually.

    This isn’t to excuse the cops; it’s just the probabilities. Like that guy who became a black martyr in New York City for selling cigarettes or some such shit. How many times had he been arrested? How many times had he resisted arrest?

    It’s just the odds. Keep doing it, and some cop, somewhere, is going to make a mistake, or behave inappropriately, or whatever.

    • Agree: Jack D, Polistra
  94. @PJ London

    ‘Unless it was for a capital crime, the shooting of a person who is not threatening his life will always be unwarranted.
    It is impossible to mistake a Taser for a firearm.’

    Bullshit.

    These people are in fights. The next time you’re in a fight, try thinking each move through.

    You’ll get your ass kicked. You react immediately, on instinct — and some times you fuck up.

    • Replies: @PJ London
  95. @PJ London

    There’s no reason t all to believe that the stop was racially motivated. Several months ago it happened that I walked to a Denny’s restaurant which is open 24/7 early in the morning. I started going home at about 6 AM. I walk because as an epileptic I am not licensed to drive. So I’m walking along Highway 27 and this cop pulls up behind me and wants to see an ID. I just had to go through the routine of explaining that I had often gone to eat at the same place, same time, in the past. He had them look up my number from the ID and made sure that I wasn’t wanted on anything. He eventually let me go.

    My guess is that when he saw me walking out on the highway at that time that he may have thought I would be a drugged-up alcoholic. He might’ve tested my breath or something if I had come off the wrong way. It’s annoying to be stopped that way, but it’s not so unusual as one may imagine. In the case here, it has been claimed that the deceased was violating some silly rule about air-fresheners which was probably passed by Democrats. So the police subject him to a routine stop. If all goes well and he turns to have a clean record, they let him go just like happened with me. But if I had had an arrest warrant on me already then I would have been hauled in. There’s nothing racial about it. People just don’t notice when these incidents happen with white men because an actual criminal case is less likely to arise.

    • Agree: Polistra, restless94110
    • Replies: @PJ London
  96. The Twins game tonight was postponed — along with the local hockey and b-ball — and they had the nerve to say this was out of “respect for the community” etc etc — rather than the obvious fear of total rampaging chaos in the streets near these sportsball venues.

  97. Jack D says:
    @HammerJack

    Several news outlets are repeating the air-freshener story. I have trouble believing it.

    Good on you. You were able to smell a lie and it didn’t have the scent of Royal Pines. It is now reported that he was pulled over for expired tags.

    His mama must have invented the air freshener story ’cause it sounded good. It may shock some people to learn this but blacks have been known to just make stuff up. They are really convincing liars because they lack all conscience. But they tend to be dumber than Arabs so it’s easier to see thru their lies.

    • Replies: @Patrick McNally
  98. aa says:

    roaches….nothing more

  99. @Jack D

    More likely is that the baby boy invented the story and gave it to the baby mama who then accepted it as valid. I still don’t think it sounded obviously off in any way. The police are often handed a bunch of silly regulations by politicians and told to enforce them. This then frequently leads to run-ins with people who have something else on their record. But it doesn’t surprise to hear that the air-freshener story was BS. Thanks for the info.

  100. We’ve pretty much given a pass to the various illegal activities of 30 million-plus people who do not belong in this country to begin with. The homeless are also given a pass for dangerously insane public behavior.

    So is it possible that blacks are simply saying it’s their turn to do whatever they desire, going off the law-enforcement grid, so to speak — and ramping up this dangerous behavior far beyond what your typical Guatemalan laborer in Westchester NY would ever envision?

  101. Kyle says:
    @Jack D

    Then after they pull you over and question you they can shoot you while reaching for their taser, no biggie.

    • Replies: @Patrick McNally
    , @Jack D
  102. @vhrm

    It’s just ridiculous how #4 (but pick any number) can be brushed aside just because a few politically appointed, lawyer-justice hacks say so.

    The law-&-order conservatives are going to be the end of us.

    • Agree: vhrm
    • Replies: @vhrm
  103. @black sea

    I hope this experience doesn’t discourage these good folks from helping this family out when they, inevitably, require housing assistance in the future. Of course, this future housing assistance should come in the form of a tent and several sleeping bags. Oh, and be sure to slightly damage said items so as to limit their resale value.

  104. @Kyle

    No, but if it turns out that they really have honest grounds for arresting you, which these officers did have, then you should not resist arrest. The reason why cases like this happen so much less often with males is because the latter follows the rules more often than black males do.

  105. @Mr. Anon

    It’s the Picts, man. Always up to no good. Grooving in caves with small furry animals…You can’t trust em.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  106. Jack D says:
    @Kyle

    No, after you resist arrest and attempt to flee and maybe run over the cops who are inches away bad things may happen to you. Have you seen the video? The whole incident is over in seconds. Blacks have more fast twitch muscle fiber than whites and they are as quick as cats. There was no time for the cops to think things over.

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2021/04/12/brooklyn-center-police-bodycam-footage-daunte-wright-shooting-vpx.cnn

    • Replies: @Detroit Refugee
  107. Hibernian says:
    @Polistra

    The crimes he was wanted for would seem to be relevant to that issue.

  108. Hibernian says:
    @Jack D

    The threat of taking away registration is used to enforce the law requiring air pollution inspections in Illinois. If you just let people drive around without valid registration you also let them defy the air pollution laws and also evade a tax which gets more substantial each year.

  109. anon[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hibernian

    Thanks for reminding me why I quit reading Reason back when the Ocean-Lowering Lightbringer was President.

    Retarded. At least they corrected the “air freshener” lie at the last minute. But still retarded.

  110. Words of wisdom from the late Richard J. Daley:

    Shoot to kill arsonists
    Shoot to maim looters

  111. vhrm says:
    @Abolish_public_education

    It’s just ridiculous how #4 (but pick any number) can be brushed aside just because a few politically appointed, lawyer-justice hacks say so.

    My beef isn’t with the SC actually, it’s with the legislative branches, state and federal. Long before these various and sundry issues make it to the courts they happen because states or Congress passed laws infringing on rights or failed to pass laws protecting rights even when there were long running violations. e.g. take Civil Asset Forefeiture. It’s been crassly abused for decades in some states and legislators know it and yet they do nothing to curb the practice. (1)

    The Bill of Rights are supposed to be hard-stop safety limits like guardrails that save you from driving off a cliff once you’ve driven off the road.

    On some of these issues the legislatures pass laws that are equivalent to basically scraping along the guardrails as normal driving.

    Another analogy occurs to me: The Bill of Rights is like the human skull, it’s there to prevent major trauma to the brain. But as we’ve learned with CTE, slamming the brain into the skull repeatedly leads to serious long term disfunction. Same with slamming our society into the Bill of Rights constantly.

    The law-&-order conservatives are going to be the end of us.

    Yeah, the lack of nuance on display is sometimes as bad on that side as the BLM / SJW side.

    “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety” (1) is more strident than i want to be, but at our current levels of safety I think we can well afford to push for more liberty from police intrusion. Some day I may support moving in the direction of the Judge Dredd “judge system”, but right now i’d rather not have cops do thinsg like pretextual traffic stops.

    1) see https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/police-abused-civil-forfeiture-laws-so-long-supreme-court-stepped-ncna974086 and links from it, for example.

    2) an aside: Some articles on the web suggest that this quote is out of context and that Franklin meant it as something else… nearly opposite to how we might read it. However this post looks into it and shows that those articles are mostly incorrect, and that Franklin himself used the phrase later on in the way it is used today. (https://www.leyadelray.com/2020/05/04/a-quote-in-context-what-did-franklin-really-think-about-liberty-and-safety/ )

  112. Mr. Anon says:
    @personfellowindividual

    It’s the Picts, man. Always up to no good. Grooving in caves with small furry animals…You can’t trust em.

    The Picts?! Don’t get me started!

  113. PJ London says:
    @Colin Wright

    Are incapable of reading or of comprehension?

    There was no fight.
    The person was still in his car and had not exited it.
    The policewomen were standing outside.
    The act of pulling a weapon (and then claiming that you thought it was a Taser) is a deliberate act and cannot at any time be claimed to be a reactive action.
    He was disobeying an order and the uniformed Bitches had their little Egos’ trampled on.
    How dare a male (and a black one at that) not obey their every whim?
    They were never in any danger.
    He was driving away, not attacking them.
    If they are reacting on ‘instinct’ then their training was non-existent.
    Women cops are worse than males, you can’t even give them a blowjob to keep them happy

  114. PJ London says:
    @Patrick McNally

    You miss the whole point of the 4th and the reason why the few founders took on the might of the British empire.
    Whether or not you were on drugs or the colour of your skin is irrelevant.
    You had broken no law and they are (nominally) Law Enforcement Officers.
    They had no right, or lawful reason, to stop you and interrogate you.
    You could have lawfully (and should have) told them to go and commit sexual acts on themselves.
    When they deliberately flout the laws themselves and use ‘Officer Discretion’ whenever their blue line friends or relatives break laws then they are nothing more than licensed thugs and bandits.

  115. @El Dato

    We didn’t lose much with the loss of Duante. But I wonder,looking at the tape,when they pulled him out of the car,why didnt the cop close the door?

  116. @PJ London

    ‘How dare a male (and a black one at that) not obey their every whim?’

    Sadly, they often refuse to.

    …but we’ll address that. They’re leaving us with no choice.

    ‘…Women cops are worse than males, you can’t even give them a blowjob to keep them happy.’

    I wouldn’t know. Has that been your experience?

  117. @PJ London

    ‘Are incapable of reading or of comprehension?’

    Why is it that Leftists seem to always feel insulting their interlocutor is appropriate behavior?

    It’s very noticeable. I wonder what the explanation is?

    • Replies: @PJ London
  118. Alden says:
    @PJ London

    Saint Duante was driving a stolen car. When cars are reported stolen, a clerk types in the license number and description . License plate and description pops up on the screens in all the city police cars.

    Shortly after a stolen car report is made, all patrol car screens have the information. Ine if the functions of police is to arrest car thieves and recover stolen cars

    If Duante or his thug associates stole a car with an expired tag, too bad. Shoulda made sure to steal a car with up to date tags. And drive carefully not run red lights, not speed, not drive like a black fool.

    Unfortunately, he has at least one male bastard. Another criminal in the loose in 14 years.

  119. Alden says:
    @Hibernian

    An air freshener in a stolen car.

  120. PJ London says:
    @Colin Wright

    Your first word to my comment was Bullshit.
    You do not have any believability when it comes to insults or hurt feelings.
    Your assumption of my political stance is stupid and unfounded.
    Your assumed superiority and condescension merely shows that you have no rational answers and thus immediately turn to Passive-Aggressive baiting.
    What a failed loser you are.
    You will note that nothing about me is passive.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Polistra
  121. @PJ London

    ‘Your first word to my comment was Bullshit.
    You do not have any believability when it comes to insults or hurt feelings.
    Your assumption of my political stance is stupid and unfounded.
    Your assumed superiority and condescension merely shows that you have no rational answers and thus immediately turn to Passive-Aggressive baiting.
    What a failed loser you are.
    You will note that nothing about me is passive.’

    As I said, it’s very noticeable.

  122. @Stan d Mute

    Well that’s certainly good news. Glad to hear, thanks.
    A neighbor who became a good friend had family out that way. During summer shut-down in ‘96 they went away and he was asked to house sit. I was invited along and since it was summer off w/ pay said, sure why not?

    Spent a week at a fabulous country spread, with in ground pool, man made lake, several motocross machines in the garage. The guy even had some Gibson SG’s !! I’m mostly a Strat player. My boy had his old Camero and I drove a Jeep.

    There were zero DINDUS spotted other than on one of several trips over to Heath Beach.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
  123. @PJ London

    I witnessed something like that back in ‘89. My real serious “party era”. I was bartender (side gig) at a wedding, covering for a family member out sick.
    Anyways, it went great, excellent food, DJ, lotsa fine ladies, etc.

    Part of the perks beside money and any/all tips was , any unused or left over alcohol was mine to do as seen fit. So naturally I boxed up the good stuff, and what I really wanted was the mostly full half barrel of Labatts Blue.

    I had picked up two beautiful older gals and they took me home. Off we go onto 1-75 headed to Woodhaven, the driver got stopped in her mini van. Cops had us or her on a iron clad DUI. The two of them are whispering to each other and one agrees to take a pause for the cause. She went into one of the MSP Cruisers and gave the guy a BJ.

    And just like that. We were able to proceed onward to the party. Alcohol and liquor still in my possession.
    Btw, I was 20 and the ladies were at least 35.

  124. Polistra says:
    @PJ London

    You know, some of your arguments are even persuasive but your attitude needs a bit of work.

    • Replies: @PJ London
  125. @Jack D

    The female officer or a male officer on scene could’ve been easily rammed or run over. That should at least be part of the Nationwide Discussion by msm no?

    • Replies: @anon
  126. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @Detroit Refugee

    should

    C’mon, man, you’re too old to talk like that.

  127. @PJ London

    You’re as delusional as you are wilfully ignorant of state law resistance offenses and 4th Amendment jurisprudence.

    I gave you three cases that justify the detention and arrest of Saint Daunte (ordained by Obama today): Atwater, Hiibel and Plumhoff. See above, unless you are reading averse.

    I make my living suing the police, it’s my revenue stream. I have a vested interest in bad cops. This woman didn’t make any mistake. She is fully aware of the criminal element in 20 year old black males out on bail for weapons charges and pulled out her Glock, and rightfully so. My dad was a cop, so I know the other side of this system of justice. Daunte got what he deserved, and we should be rejoicing.

    Summary for the emotionally debilitated:

    Atwater: They can take you to jail for not wearing a seat belt. I’m sure masks are next. Air fresheners are probably a lie; but assuming arguendo, a legitimate basis for the stop. You can’t be driving around with shit hanging from your rear view mirror (never mind things like expired tags, possible stolen vehicle, active arrest warrant, etc.).

    Hiibel: In states that have ID laws in the Ninth Circus, “show me your papers” is constitutional.

    Plumhoff: They can summarily execute you if you flee. Think sniper rifles from helicopters as you evade law enforcement going 100 mph down the freeway. Totally legal.

    There is no law. There is no constitution. The only rights you have are those you can enforce. The law is what tyrants in robes say it is.

    You really think you live in a free country. Wake up.

    • Replies: @PJ London
  128. @Detroit Refugee

    Sounds a lot like Nugent’s compound just a bit further West. Or my old farm. Or that of countless others in the general Detriot exurban refugee camps.

    It’s important to keep in mind that there are TWO Americas today. One is the insane clown world of Detriot and Ann Arbor (using my HBD Mitten examples of course) and the other is the real world where we generate power, distribute power, create tech infrastructure, distribute tech, create sanitation, distribute sanitation, etc. Even an American dystopia as advanced as Detriot is only possible due to the fundamentally rational dipshits like us (forgive me if you’re not a current or former enabler like myself) who feed the beast.

    And we have to live somewhere.

  129. PJ London says:
    @Polistra

    Yes, My headmaster said I “Had an attitude problem”.
    I said “I’ve got an attitude. No problem.”

  130. PJ London says:
    @petit bourgeois

    You are right and I was making ethical and legal arguments.
    If the law was cut and dried, we would not need lawyers.
    The “Justice System” is a total farce.
    “Poor people have access to the courts in the same sense that Christians had access to the lions.” – Justice Earl Johnson, Jr.
    The system has been subverted to the point where it has no function but to oppress.
    “Use the courts, use the judges, use the constitution
of the country, use its medical societies and its laws to
further our ends. Do not stint in your labor in this direction.
 And when you have succeeded you will discover that you can now
 effect your own legislation at will and you can, by careful
 organization, by constant campaigns about the terrors of
 society, by pretense as to your effectiveness, make the
capitalist himself, by his own appropriation, finance a large
 portion of the quiet Communist conquest of that nation.”
(Address of the Jew Laventria Beria, The Communist Textbook on
Psychopolitics, page 8).
    .
    “An arrest made with a defective warrant, or one issued without affidavit, or one that fails to allege a crime is within jurisdiction, and one who is being arrested, may resist arrest and break away. lf the arresting officer is killed by one who is so resisting, the killing will be no more than an involuntary manslaughter.” Housh v. People, 75 111. 491; reaffirmed and quoted in State v. Leach, 7 Conn. 452; State v. Gleason, 32 Kan. 245; Ballard v. State, 43 Ohio 349; State v Rousseau, 241 P. 2d 447; State v. Spaulding, 34 Minn. 3621.
    Try arguing that today.
    In this case the officer will not even get a wrist slap.
    She knew that killing a person for fleeing was BS so immediately cried “I thought it was my Taser.”
    I am not defending the victim, he was a criminal with an outstanding warrant.
    I am criticising the action of the officer (even if lawful) and the knee jerk reaction from both BLM and the readers of Breitbart and Unz.

  131. anon[414] • Disclaimer says:

    She knew that killing a person for fleeing was BS so immediately cried “I thought it was my Taser.”

    Don’t make stuff up. That’s not what the vid shows. You’re not a mind reader, either.

    I am criticising the action of the officer (even if lawful) and the knee jerk reaction from both BLM and the readers of Breitbart and Unz.

    Oh, ok. You’re yet another troll jamming up comments. Thanks for being upfront!

  132. @PJ London

    First there was no Reasonable Articulable Suspicion of a crime.

    Doesn’t matter. If that’s true, you fight it in court or via a law suit. AFTER.

    Second his 4th amendment right was violated by requiring and ID without probable cause of a crime.

    Doesn’t matter. If that’s true, you fight it in court or via a law suit. AFTER.

    Third opening fire on a person fleeing unless the crime was a capital crime cannot in any way be justified.

    The man was being detained. He was being arrested. That means he was being stopped from being in the community (in other words, arrested). Trying to continue to be in the community, is grounds for the use of force even deadly force. The reason is simple to understand.

    You have been deemed to be a danger to the community. That is why you are being detained. If you are allowed to go out into the community you may hurt someone or otherwise endanger the community.

    It is a crime to resist detention beyond any other crime you may have been wanted on.

    The simple answer to all of this is:

    DO NOT RESIST ARREST. EVER. DON’T DO IT.

    Yadda. Yadda. Yadda.

  133. @PJ London

    Unless it was for a capital crime, the shooting of a person who is not threatening his life will always be unwarranted.

    Nope. It is always warranted. Attempting to escape arrest is shootable.

    Shoot the fool. If you let him get away? You are guilty of allowing a criminal to rampage and hurt innocent civilians.

    Shoot the fool. Period.

  134. @PJ London

    You miss the whole point of the 4th and the reason why the few founders took on the might of the British empire.

    It is you who miss the whole point.

    You do not adjudicate the 4th Amendment on the street.

    You do it in court.

    If some cop is violating your 4th amendment, you do not argue on the street with the cop!!

    You deal with it in court.

    What is so hard to understand about this???

    Why are you going on and on like a Chatty Cathy Doll?

    Don’t fight the cops. Don’t resist arrest.

    Fight it in court.

  135. PJ London says:

    You must be a lawyer.

    “Poor people have access to the courts in the same sense that Christians had access to the lions.” – Justice Earl Johnson, Jr.

    “Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say ‘what should be the reward of such sacrifices?’ Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship and plough, and sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!” —
    Samuel Adams

    There are thousands of innocents in jail, many for as much as 30 years.
    The police lie and the DA’s are complicit.
    More than 90% of people who are arrested take a “Plea bargain” otherwise the system just keeps on adding BS charges each of which carry long sentences.
    98% of felony court cases the person is found guilty. Did I mention the police lie and the judges protect the jury from ever hearing the truth.
    Just compare BLM and Antifa to Jan 6 and then tell me to fight it in court.

    Your ‘war-cry’ is Baaaaaaaaaa.

    • Replies: @vhrm
  136. vhrm says:
    @PJ London

    Just compare BLM and Antifa to Jan 6 and then tell me to fight it in court.

    If you are innocent how does fighting with the cops trying to arrest you help you in any way? It’s just going to get you roughed up or killed and you’ll get arrested anyway.

    And if the cops are looking to jam you up for some reason fighting with them is going to make it MORE not less likely for them to stick you with BS charges.

    The calculus may change in riots/protests, but when you as an individual are getting arrested during a traffic stop or sidewalk stop or anything like that fighting is not a good tactical or strategic choice ( unless maybe you’re being taken in for capital murder at which point you don’t have much to lose).

  137. PJ London says:

    It does not help to fight or argue with the police, except that they then overstep the law and provide evidence of their thuggery.Unlawful arrest, excessive force and perjury make for large lawsuits.
    In any case I will not have callouses on my knees when I get to meet my death.

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