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From the New York Times:

America’s Biggest Economic Challenge May Be Demographic Decline

Slower growth in the working-age population is a problem in much of the country. Could targeted immigration policy help solve it?

By Neil Irwin
April 3, 2019

For many years, American economists have spoken of Japan and Western Europe as places where the slow grind of demographic change — masses of workers reaching retirement age, and smaller generations replacing them — has been a major drag on the economy.

But it is increasingly outdated to think of that as a problem for other countries. The deepest challenge for the United States economy may really be about demographics. …

As the Kennedys used to say: “Ask not what the American economy can do for you, ask what you and your posterity can do for the American economy.”

A new report from the Economic Innovation Group, a Washington think tank funded in large part by tech investors and entrepreneurs

So you just know that they have the average American’s best interests at heart.

, adds rich new detail, showing that parts of the United States are already grappling with Japanese-caliber demographic decline — 41 percent of American counties with a combined population of 38 million.

At the national level, slower growth in America’s working-age population is a major reason that mainstream forecasters now expect the economy to expand around 2 percent each year rather than the 3 percent common in the second half of the 20th century.

And with the Soviet Union’s population at 293 million, it’s essential that America get a bigger population in order to survive in the Cold War by mass-producing B-1 Bombers.

As a matter of simple arithmetic, lower growth in the number of people working will almost certainly mean slower growth in economic output.

You know, New York Times, there is this concept called “per capita” that’s useful for thinking about topics like this.

… Many younger workers move to bustling urban centers on the coasts, leaving smaller cities and rural areas behind. Immigrants bolster the labor force but also disproportionately go to those same big coastal cities.

“Dayton’s height of population was 1953, and we’ve seen stagnant growth for the region since 1990,” said Nan Whaley, the mayor of the Ohio city. …

Over all, 80 percent of American counties encompassing 149 million people experienced a decline in the number of residents ages 25 to 54 between 2007 and 2017, according to the paper, which was written by Adam Ozimek of Moody’s Analytics and Kenan Fikri and John Lettieri of the Economic Innovation Group.

They project that the trends will continue, and that by 2037, two-thirds of American counties will have fewer adults of prime working age than they did in 1997, despite overall population growth in that period. (Their projections tried to take into account undocumented immigrants.)

Policies to encourage American families to have more children would help over the long run by increasing the supply of potential workers in the future. So could efforts to ensure that even struggling cities have the kinds of amenities young families desire, particularly good schools.

But, instead, let’s let in more illegal aliens because nothing makes public schools more attractive to middle class families than huge numbers of English Learners. Also, higher real estate prices and lower pay are sure to encourage more Affordable Family Formation.

But people who study regional economies are increasingly concerned that some aspects of this wave of demographic change make the pain more severe for places left behind — which can get stuck in a vicious cycle.

Pain for whom? Capital? Workers? The Reserve Army of the Unemployed?

Raj Chetty’s 2015 study of where was the best place to raise working class kids found that the best counties were overwhelmingly ones that did not have rapidly growing populations.

… A shrinking supply of working-age people can prompt employers to look elsewhere to expand, making it harder for local governments to raise enough taxes to pay for infrastructure and education, and encouraging those younger people who remain to head elsewhere for more opportunity.

Even worse, employers might have to pay their workers more. And We.Can’t.Have.That.

… The authors of the E.I.G. report suggest a potential solution: an immigration policy that would stop the vicious cycle. They propose that visas could be made available to skilled immigrants on the condition they go to one of the areas struggling with demographic decline.

And of course the immigrants will stay in Dayton and never ever move to Dallas, just like they promised. As New York Times subscribers all know, it’s impossible to stop foreigners from moving to America but it’s easy to stop them from moving within America. You just ask them nicely. They will be happy to oblige.

 
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  1. That fella in New Zealand.

  2. 216 says:

    There are three main types of immigration:

    First-to-First

    Third-to-Third

    Third-to-First

    We mostly focus upon the latter. No one really cares about the first, and while Third-to-Third is of definite consequence it rarely makes the news in the First World (Millions of Syrians in Turkey, Jordan, Lebanon)

    But what is unheard of is First-to-Third.

    No neoliberal ever seems to think we should subsidize “entrepreneurs” from the First World to set up shop in depressed Third World countries.

    These economists obviously never heard of the greatest African, Cecil Rhodes.

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @guest
    Cecil Rhodes the builder, Founding Father, Anglo Imperialist, and diamond tsar isn't on their minds, but Rhodes the globalist secret society kingpin lives on.
  3. Well, as I’ve been telling people for years, the easiest means of very quickly growing the American economy is to “Merge with Mexico.”

    The moment the legal documents are signed, our GDP will increase by 5% or whatever, while giving us a big boost in our population and lowering our median age.

    Actually, legally merging with India would be even better, increasing our GDP by an even larger amount and instantaneously raising the total American population to well over 1.5 billion. Take that, nasty old China!!!

    But for US population growth in the long run, absolutely nothing can beat legally merging with all of Sub-Saharan Africa. And anyone who opposes the idea can be arrested by Elizabeth Warren as an self-revealed White Nationalist…

    • Agree: Trevor H., Tusk, brioche
    • LOL: bomag
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    Don't have to do any of that; we've already merged with China.
    , @istevefan
    Someone on this blog used to remark that maybe the USA should just take in the whole world so as to get 100% of the world's economic output.
    , @anon

    But for US population growth in the long run, absolutely nothing can beat legally merging with all of Sub-Saharan Africa
     
    i bet if you took a poll of the CEOs of major companies like Pepsi, Coca Cola, Home Depot, Walmart, NBA, NFL, MLB, etc many of them would favor letting in half of Africa at least
    , @Desiderius
    Pretty sure the only fully woke option is to have the U.S. officially declared a vassal state of Liberia.
    , @guest
    We could at least conquer the border territory and bust up some cartels. Mexico admits it has no authority there because it can't stop the caravans.
    , @ArthurinCali
    Funny, my coworkers discussed this same scenario in half-jest this week.

    Why won't the "progressive left" come out and just admit this is the end game? I mean, isn't the final goal of globalization is to have no borders? Expand the tax base, open the treasury coffers(with keystrokes, no gold left in Fort Knox!) for more social programs?

    Obviously we're not people with a common language, customs or traditions to our overseers. Just economic units adding to the alter of GDP and quarterly growth for shareholders.
    , @Nnn
    You are an awesome troll.
    , @Hypnotoad666
    "First Mexico, and tomorrow the world."
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Ron White (L) for President explains his border control proposal. It involves buying Mexico and flipping it.

    Note: Bad language.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na2NQxDUMaY
    , @Prester John
    That's it!! Merge with Mejico!

    That'll solve the threatened avocado shortage.
    , @Olorin
    Exponential function of fixed rate of increase uber alles!

    Money is debt! Debt is our god! More bodies and products to feed to the Debt God!
    , @Logan
    Annexing Mexico would increase our GDP from 19.39T to 20.54T. So your 5% is remarkably close!
  4. Summary:

    “To save the village, we have to burn it.”

    It would be far better to find ways around a labor shortage, such as mechanization; or get by with less (gee, what a concept: live like great-grandad. Didn’t hurt him too much.)

  5. You don’t see too many young people around anymore do you? Just a lot of old, sick, misshapen retirees and a few unfortunate brown babies.

  6. @Ron Unz
    Well, as I've been telling people for years, the easiest means of very quickly growing the American economy is to "Merge with Mexico."

    The moment the legal documents are signed, our GDP will increase by 5% or whatever, while giving us a big boost in our population and lowering our median age.

    Actually, legally merging with India would be even better, increasing our GDP by an even larger amount and instantaneously raising the total American population to well over 1.5 billion. Take that, nasty old China!!!

    But for US population growth in the long run, absolutely nothing can beat legally merging with all of Sub-Saharan Africa. And anyone who opposes the idea can be arrested by Elizabeth Warren as an self-revealed White Nationalist...

    Don’t have to do any of that; we’ve already merged with China.

  7. @Ron Unz
    Well, as I've been telling people for years, the easiest means of very quickly growing the American economy is to "Merge with Mexico."

    The moment the legal documents are signed, our GDP will increase by 5% or whatever, while giving us a big boost in our population and lowering our median age.

    Actually, legally merging with India would be even better, increasing our GDP by an even larger amount and instantaneously raising the total American population to well over 1.5 billion. Take that, nasty old China!!!

    But for US population growth in the long run, absolutely nothing can beat legally merging with all of Sub-Saharan Africa. And anyone who opposes the idea can be arrested by Elizabeth Warren as an self-revealed White Nationalist...

    Someone on this blog used to remark that maybe the USA should just take in the whole world so as to get 100% of the world’s economic output.

  8. Will the economist in the room who can figure out how to live well without having to always grow and add more people please stand up?

    This paradigm that you must grow or die is insane. The reductio ad absurdum is that we must grow our population ad infinitum, until our descendants totally fill every livable space and consume every available resource. Is this the inescapable cycle of human life? Are we as dumb as weeds?

    Some things are worth the pain. Preserving a clean, open living space and a healthy, functioning culture is worth paying more for stuff and paying the working people who do stuff — and living with less stuff from time to time.

    Nonstop population growth is insane.

    • Replies: @Trevor H.
    Exactly right. I always try to remind these people that uncontrolled growth is a primary feature of a cancer.

    Meanwhile the NYT says this:


    Targeted immigration policy
     
    But what they mean is this

    Open Borders
     
    And even that understates it. Because the only thing they want is open borders for (formerly) white countries (plus Japan, sometimes, but only for appearance's sake) and they only want them open for third world immigration.

    Strange, isn't it. It's almost as though they were trying to remake the world.

    , @216
    Social peace has been bought on the promise of old age pensions.

    Those pensions are pyramid schemes. They cannot function without people paying in, there is no actual savings, just a disguised wealth transfer/vote buying.

    At best, they can kick the can by raising retirement to age 70, and incentivizing some people to work even beyond that.

    Mass immigration never procedes at the level enough to restore a dependency ratio found in the middle of the 20th century, so it isn't really the solution some think it is, unless we admitted 10 mln+ per annum.

    Perhaps investing money into the Third World via sovereign wealth funds could capture some of the theoretical "convergence gains" and kick the pension can a bit farther.
    , @Almost Missouri

    "we must grow our population ad infinitum, until our descendants totally fill every livable space and consume every available resource."
     
    Nay further, we must grow until the entire surface of the earth is covered by a spherical shell of human flesh, a shell that is expanding outward into space at an exponential rate!

    This is the only way to conquer the stars!
    , @Western
    I guess Malta is in trouble. I doubt they can take too many more people. I am sure they will be paupers soon.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Great comment, Buzz, and as for this:

    This paradigm that you must grow or die is insane.
     
    I've heard this from so many big corporations. "If you don't expand, you die." What a load of crap. There's nothing wrong with keeping up with the market, improving quality, and innovating, but you don't have to grow in size or even sales to remain successful. I guess these bullshitters go on up to positions in government or as NY Times writers.
    , @notanon

    Will the economist in the room who can figure out how to live well without having to always grow and add more people please stand up?
     
    that's simple enough - just split the proceeds of increased productivity with labor - this would lead to increased demand with the same number of people.

    what unlimited immigration does is allow capital to keep all the proceeds of increased productivity for themselves.

    it's just greed masquerading as economics.

    economists won't say this cos the media would call them racist.

    , @Anonymous
    "Will the economist in the room who can figure out how to live well without having to always grow and add more people please stand up?"

    The economystic is blind to this. All that matters is the constant upward trend in GDP. There are no other values worth considering apart from aggregate growth.

    To quote the late Lawrence Auster:

    The deeper problem with economism is that no true values, including the values of a distinct political system, culture and way of life, can be comprehended in economic or utilitarian terms. Solely on the basis of measurable, quantifiable, pragmatic facts it is impossible to preserve any society or institution, even so basic an institution as the nuclear family.

    Suppose there were two families, the Smiths and the Joneses, living next door to each other. The two families get along, the children play together, the parents occasionally socialize with each other. Then one day the Joneses announce that they want to move in permanently with the Smiths. When the Smiths seem less than enthusiastic about this proposal, the Joneses say: “What’s your problem? You have enough room, your house is bigger than ours, and we get along together. Besides, the nuclear family is only a modern invention. A dual family will enrich all of us.” To back up these claims, the Joneses bring in an economist who says that two-family households have larger aggregate wealth than one-family households. They bring in a sociologist who cites studies showing that the children raised in two-family households have superior abilities in adjusting to different types of people in a diverse society. Faced with this aggressive challenge to their existence as a family, what can the Smiths say? Their family, as a unique, autonomous association, is an intrinsic, irreplaceable value to its members. It cannot be defended on the basis of quantifiable facts. In the same way, the nation is a family whose distinct character and values cannot be defended on a purely rationalistic basis. To say that it must do so in order to have the right to exist, is to deny its right to exist.
     
    Even though it was published over 20 years ago, Auster's Huddled Clichés is a must-read and still relevant. The discredited, often moronic arguments of the open-borders brigade haven't changed. They've only got louder and permeated the thinking of the elite.
  9. The idea that slower population growth is a problem is just another hoax. With per capita economic growth that rises a typical amount, a bigger elderly population is easily affordable. And a smaller population means lower prices for such resources as real estate — a good thing.

    That is also why the notion that Social Security benefits must be cut is also phony.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    Or we could let the old, useless eaters die, and suddenly not not have budget problems, slash taxes on couples at peak child-bearing age, and not have our roads clogged by people driving 10 mph under the speed limit.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson

    The idea that slower population growth is a problem is just another hoax.
     
    True.
  10. Over all, 80 percent of American counties encompassing 149 million people experienced a decline in the number of residents ages 25 to 54 between 2007 and 2017,

    Yeah, they all moved to Fl.

  11. The end result of current immigration policies will be an America with its current imperial pretentions and a military drawn predominately from Latin American death squad cultures. These vets will then return home to join the police force. Oh well, as long as the US is the sole superpower abroad and the biggest purchaser of Chinese goods at home.

    • Replies: @SFG
    Nah, eventually we'll get our asses kicked by China abroad and have to retrench.

    The USA is going to look like Brazil if anything--huge slums, mix of peoples, corrupt leftists alternating with right-wing populists who don't do anything.

    The bit about right-wing Latin American death squads is quite prescient--I wouldn't be too surprised if the rightier Hispanics get attracted to the Republican party. There was actually a prison gang called the 'Nazi Low Riders'.

    , @Charles Erwin Wilson

    a military drawn predominately from Latin American death squad cultures. These vets will then return home to join the police force.
     
    Nope. Not unless they get our guns from us.

    No one has enslaved a well-armed population. And we are an exceptionally well-armed population.
  12. @Buzz Mohawk
    Will the economist in the room who can figure out how to live well without having to always grow and add more people please stand up?

    This paradigm that you must grow or die is insane. The reductio ad absurdum is that we must grow our population ad infinitum, until our descendants totally fill every livable space and consume every available resource. Is this the inescapable cycle of human life? Are we as dumb as weeds?

    Some things are worth the pain. Preserving a clean, open living space and a healthy, functioning culture is worth paying more for stuff and paying the working people who do stuff -- and living with less stuff from time to time.

    Nonstop population growth is insane.

    Exactly right. I always try to remind these people that uncontrolled growth is a primary feature of a cancer.

    Meanwhile the NYT says this:

    Targeted immigration policy

    But what they mean is this

    Open Borders

    And even that understates it. Because the only thing they want is open borders for (formerly) white countries (plus Japan, sometimes, but only for appearance’s sake) and they only want them open for third world immigration.

    Strange, isn’t it. It’s almost as though they were trying to remake the world.

  13. “parts of the United States are already grappling with Japanese-caliber demographic decline — 41 percent of American counties with a combined population of 38 million.”

    Weird how the coastal elite blue-city goodthinkers are suddenly all worried about the tenth of the US population in flyover country! They aren’t usually that empathetic toward us. I can almost feel their love from here…

    “The authors of the E.I.G. report suggest a potential solution: an immigration policy that would stop the vicious cycle. They propose that visas could be made available to skilled immigrants on the condition they go to one of the areas struggling with demographic decline.”

    Ah, now I see. Never mind.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Well, as someone who spends time in both Canadian flyover country, and the big city...

    I can safely assure you that *more immigrunts* and *raise the GDP* is NOT on their minds.

    They DO NOT WANT IMMIGRANTS. SO FUCK OFF.
  14. anon[338] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz
    Well, as I've been telling people for years, the easiest means of very quickly growing the American economy is to "Merge with Mexico."

    The moment the legal documents are signed, our GDP will increase by 5% or whatever, while giving us a big boost in our population and lowering our median age.

    Actually, legally merging with India would be even better, increasing our GDP by an even larger amount and instantaneously raising the total American population to well over 1.5 billion. Take that, nasty old China!!!

    But for US population growth in the long run, absolutely nothing can beat legally merging with all of Sub-Saharan Africa. And anyone who opposes the idea can be arrested by Elizabeth Warren as an self-revealed White Nationalist...

    But for US population growth in the long run, absolutely nothing can beat legally merging with all of Sub-Saharan Africa

    i bet if you took a poll of the CEOs of major companies like Pepsi, Coca Cola, Home Depot, Walmart, NBA, NFL, MLB, etc many of them would favor letting in half of Africa at least

  15. 216 says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Will the economist in the room who can figure out how to live well without having to always grow and add more people please stand up?

    This paradigm that you must grow or die is insane. The reductio ad absurdum is that we must grow our population ad infinitum, until our descendants totally fill every livable space and consume every available resource. Is this the inescapable cycle of human life? Are we as dumb as weeds?

    Some things are worth the pain. Preserving a clean, open living space and a healthy, functioning culture is worth paying more for stuff and paying the working people who do stuff -- and living with less stuff from time to time.

    Nonstop population growth is insane.

    Social peace has been bought on the promise of old age pensions.

    Those pensions are pyramid schemes. They cannot function without people paying in, there is no actual savings, just a disguised wealth transfer/vote buying.

    At best, they can kick the can by raising retirement to age 70, and incentivizing some people to work even beyond that.

    Mass immigration never procedes at the level enough to restore a dependency ratio found in the middle of the 20th century, so it isn’t really the solution some think it is, unless we admitted 10 mln+ per annum.

    Perhaps investing money into the Third World via sovereign wealth funds could capture some of the theoretical “convergence gains” and kick the pension can a bit farther.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri

    "so it isn’t really the solution some think it is, unless we admitted 10 mln+ per annum."
     
    Since nowadays immigrants on average consume more benefits than they pay in taxes, even letting in an infinite amount would not be a solution. Indeed, it would (i.e., already does) make things worse.
    , @notanon
    if US wages had kept pace with productivity increases people retiring today would have overflowing pensions.
    , @Olorin

    Those pensions are pyramid schemes. They cannot function without people paying in, there is no actual savings, just a disguised wealth transfer/vote buying.
     
    Gate to break it to you, Chamber of Commerce boi, but this is the entire frikkin monetary system.

    Not just "pensions." Which is to say the older white people who saved and whose money you lust after liquidating.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cu4EjEHTGyE

  16. istevefan says:

    Slower growth in the working-age population is a problem in much of the country. Could targeted immigration policy help solve it?

    Question: We’ve taken in 60 million immigrants since 1965, an amount unprecedented in world history. These people have had children and grandchildren. How come that is not enough to keep the working-age population at levels desired by our oligarchs? Might this suggest that there is a problem with the USA? After all if the natives aren’t reproducing and the replacements aren’t reproducing to the satisfaction of the oligarchs, then might there be a problem with the domestic conditions that needs to be addressed?

    Policies to encourage American families to have more children would help over the long run by increasing the supply of potential workers in the future.

    This should have been implemented before mass immigration. But let’s remember folks, that the start of this current cycle of mass immigration was passed in 1965, on the cusp of the largest baby boom in history. So let’s not let them pretend this was always about birth rates. It wasn’t.

    A new report from the Economic Innovation Group, a Washington think tank funded in large part by tech investors and entrepreneurs

    I did the old Steve-O ‘ctrl-F’, not for immigrants, which surprisingly were featured in this article. But rather, I searched for ‘automation’. How could an article discussing something funded by tech investors and entrepreneurs not include a discussion on the hot topic of the day, automation? After all, we are told that automation may replace up to 40% of today’s jobs in the next decade.

    It would be nice to get the reporters who write such stories about automation to collaborate with the reporters who write immigration puff pieces so as to put into context the need for further immigrants with the reality that many jobs will no longer require warm bodies in the near future. Why bring in people today who won’t be needed in a few years?

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri

    "many jobs will no longer require warm bodies in the near future."
     
    The job of being a welfare dependent always requires a warm body.

    Well, almost always.
    , @WowJustWow
    Automation and artificial intelligence will destroy all jobs in about 20 years. If we have babies now, we'll be paying for their upbringing and education only for them to find out they have nothing to do once they're working age. If we bring in working-age immigrants now, we can already start squeezing labor out of them until automation has destroyed the demand for them, and then the politicians of 2040 can worry about what to do about them.

    Now, you may ask why we cave in and grant asylum more easily to immigrants whose skills are already highly automatable and who bring with them lots of already-born dependents who will only enter their working-age years once there is no chance in hell of them being cheaper to employ than a machine is. That's because, uh... I'll get back to you on that one.
    , @Achmed E. Newman

    These people have had children and grandchildren.
     
    You mean the immigrants themselves get old?! Wow, that's one that we missed when doing our calculations. Nice catch!
  17. @Buzz Mohawk
    Will the economist in the room who can figure out how to live well without having to always grow and add more people please stand up?

    This paradigm that you must grow or die is insane. The reductio ad absurdum is that we must grow our population ad infinitum, until our descendants totally fill every livable space and consume every available resource. Is this the inescapable cycle of human life? Are we as dumb as weeds?

    Some things are worth the pain. Preserving a clean, open living space and a healthy, functioning culture is worth paying more for stuff and paying the working people who do stuff -- and living with less stuff from time to time.

    Nonstop population growth is insane.

    “we must grow our population ad infinitum, until our descendants totally fill every livable space and consume every available resource.”

    Nay further, we must grow until the entire surface of the earth is covered by a spherical shell of human flesh, a shell that is expanding outward into space at an exponential rate!

    This is the only way to conquer the stars!

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    Aha! The Expanding Earth Hypothesis.
    , @WowJustWow
    If I have had a better, more expensive view of the San Francisco Bay, it is only by literally standing on the shoulders of billions of lumpenproles.
  18. It’s simple math really. If a million immigrants a year are good, then ten million immigrants a year would be great, and twenty million immigrants a year would be Heaven on earth. We’d all just buy toilet paper at Costco and sell it to each other and get rich off the mark-up.

  19. Schizophrenically, the same ruling class promotes unfruitful copulation, “safe” sex, abortion, women in the workplace, and all manner of sterility AND complains about not having enough people.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi

    Schizophrenically
     
    That's not how you spell "diabolically."
  20. @Almost Missouri

    "we must grow our population ad infinitum, until our descendants totally fill every livable space and consume every available resource."
     
    Nay further, we must grow until the entire surface of the earth is covered by a spherical shell of human flesh, a shell that is expanding outward into space at an exponential rate!

    This is the only way to conquer the stars!

    Aha! The Expanding Earth Hypothesis.

  21. @istevefan

    Slower growth in the working-age population is a problem in much of the country. Could targeted immigration policy help solve it?
     
    Question: We've taken in 60 million immigrants since 1965, an amount unprecedented in world history. These people have had children and grandchildren. How come that is not enough to keep the working-age population at levels desired by our oligarchs? Might this suggest that there is a problem with the USA? After all if the natives aren't reproducing and the replacements aren't reproducing to the satisfaction of the oligarchs, then might there be a problem with the domestic conditions that needs to be addressed?

    Policies to encourage American families to have more children would help over the long run by increasing the supply of potential workers in the future.
     
    This should have been implemented before mass immigration. But let's remember folks, that the start of this current cycle of mass immigration was passed in 1965, on the cusp of the largest baby boom in history. So let's not let them pretend this was always about birth rates. It wasn't.

    A new report from the Economic Innovation Group, a Washington think tank funded in large part by tech investors and entrepreneurs
     
    I did the old Steve-O 'ctrl-F', not for immigrants, which surprisingly were featured in this article. But rather, I searched for 'automation'. How could an article discussing something funded by tech investors and entrepreneurs not include a discussion on the hot topic of the day, automation? After all, we are told that automation may replace up to 40% of today's jobs in the next decade.

    It would be nice to get the reporters who write such stories about automation to collaborate with the reporters who write immigration puff pieces so as to put into context the need for further immigrants with the reality that many jobs will no longer require warm bodies in the near future. Why bring in people today who won't be needed in a few years?

    “many jobs will no longer require warm bodies in the near future.”

    The job of being a welfare dependent always requires a warm body.

    Well, almost always.

  22. @216
    Social peace has been bought on the promise of old age pensions.

    Those pensions are pyramid schemes. They cannot function without people paying in, there is no actual savings, just a disguised wealth transfer/vote buying.

    At best, they can kick the can by raising retirement to age 70, and incentivizing some people to work even beyond that.

    Mass immigration never procedes at the level enough to restore a dependency ratio found in the middle of the 20th century, so it isn't really the solution some think it is, unless we admitted 10 mln+ per annum.

    Perhaps investing money into the Third World via sovereign wealth funds could capture some of the theoretical "convergence gains" and kick the pension can a bit farther.

    “so it isn’t really the solution some think it is, unless we admitted 10 mln+ per annum.”

    Since nowadays immigrants on average consume more benefits than they pay in taxes, even letting in an infinite amount would not be a solution. Indeed, it would (i.e., already does) make things worse.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    Losing money on each immigrant, but making it up on volume seems to be the NYT's formula for prosperity.
  23. istevefan says:

    grappling with Japanese-caliber demographic decline

    Japan doesn’t appear to be doing that poorly. And one thing I find interesting is that, though Japan and other NE Asians are not shy about adopting Western tech and certain cultural features, they seem to have decided to take a pass on the whole mass immigration and diversity thing which we have been telling them for years is the secret to our strength.

    That should tell you something. They’ve observed it from afar, and want nothing to do with it. I wonder if their strong opposition has been stoked by their experiences as tourists. Given how many NE Asians visit Paris and other similar places, they must all have horror stories about what the hell happened to the Europeans/Americans. I think the NZ shooter even said he got radicalized when he visited France, and found that it was even worse than the wingnuts on the web had reported.

    • Replies: @WowJustWow

    And one thing I find interesting is that, though Japan and other NE Asians are not shy about adopting Western tech and certain cultural features, they seem to have decided to take a pass on the whole mass immigration and diversity thing which we have been telling them for years is the secret to our strength.
     
    Not for long. The rest of the global elite has caught on to their demographic judiciousness and has included Japan in the UN's plans for (their term) "replacement migration".
    , @jim jones
    The UN has dumped some Yemeni refugees on Korea and the people there are not happy about it:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Za4aP76rLM
    , @Flip
    I used to work with a Chinese born Amerian and he said America was making a big mistake by taking in so many non-European immigrants and that everyone would be fighting with each other down the road.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    PM Abe is pro-Invade/Invite. There is some inertial reluctance about immigration, but Japan recently picked an ugly half-black as its Miss Universe winner. If you understand Japanese society, you get the message: "people at the top want the masses to accept miscegenation." It's a precursor to opening up immigration. Unfortunately, many Japanese accept the idea that the USA is a model multicultural paradise where all people live in harmony and contribute to some awesome fusion culture. To mix metaphors, the frog in the well is getting boiled slowly.
  24. You scoff, but the Dayton region has experienced the economic benefits of large-scale immigration before. One look at the change in that area’s per capita GDP from 1600 to the present makes clear the Shawnee have never been a richer society.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    The Shawnee themselves are immigrants; the Iroquois let them settle Ohio after the Iroquois ethnically cleansed the area in the 1600s.
  25. @istevefan

    Slower growth in the working-age population is a problem in much of the country. Could targeted immigration policy help solve it?
     
    Question: We've taken in 60 million immigrants since 1965, an amount unprecedented in world history. These people have had children and grandchildren. How come that is not enough to keep the working-age population at levels desired by our oligarchs? Might this suggest that there is a problem with the USA? After all if the natives aren't reproducing and the replacements aren't reproducing to the satisfaction of the oligarchs, then might there be a problem with the domestic conditions that needs to be addressed?

    Policies to encourage American families to have more children would help over the long run by increasing the supply of potential workers in the future.
     
    This should have been implemented before mass immigration. But let's remember folks, that the start of this current cycle of mass immigration was passed in 1965, on the cusp of the largest baby boom in history. So let's not let them pretend this was always about birth rates. It wasn't.

    A new report from the Economic Innovation Group, a Washington think tank funded in large part by tech investors and entrepreneurs
     
    I did the old Steve-O 'ctrl-F', not for immigrants, which surprisingly were featured in this article. But rather, I searched for 'automation'. How could an article discussing something funded by tech investors and entrepreneurs not include a discussion on the hot topic of the day, automation? After all, we are told that automation may replace up to 40% of today's jobs in the next decade.

    It would be nice to get the reporters who write such stories about automation to collaborate with the reporters who write immigration puff pieces so as to put into context the need for further immigrants with the reality that many jobs will no longer require warm bodies in the near future. Why bring in people today who won't be needed in a few years?

    Automation and artificial intelligence will destroy all jobs in about 20 years. If we have babies now, we’ll be paying for their upbringing and education only for them to find out they have nothing to do once they’re working age. If we bring in working-age immigrants now, we can already start squeezing labor out of them until automation has destroyed the demand for them, and then the politicians of 2040 can worry about what to do about them.

    Now, you may ask why we cave in and grant asylum more easily to immigrants whose skills are already highly automatable and who bring with them lots of already-born dependents who will only enter their working-age years once there is no chance in hell of them being cheaper to employ than a machine is. That’s because, uh… I’ll get back to you on that one.

    • LOL: Clyde
  26. @Ron Unz
    Well, as I've been telling people for years, the easiest means of very quickly growing the American economy is to "Merge with Mexico."

    The moment the legal documents are signed, our GDP will increase by 5% or whatever, while giving us a big boost in our population and lowering our median age.

    Actually, legally merging with India would be even better, increasing our GDP by an even larger amount and instantaneously raising the total American population to well over 1.5 billion. Take that, nasty old China!!!

    But for US population growth in the long run, absolutely nothing can beat legally merging with all of Sub-Saharan Africa. And anyone who opposes the idea can be arrested by Elizabeth Warren as an self-revealed White Nationalist...

    Pretty sure the only fully woke option is to have the U.S. officially declared a vassal state of Liberia.

  27. @216
    There are three main types of immigration:

    First-to-First

    Third-to-Third

    Third-to-First

    We mostly focus upon the latter. No one really cares about the first, and while Third-to-Third is of definite consequence it rarely makes the news in the First World (Millions of Syrians in Turkey, Jordan, Lebanon)

    But what is unheard of is First-to-Third.

    No neoliberal ever seems to think we should subsidize "entrepreneurs" from the First World to set up shop in depressed Third World countries.

    These economists obviously never heard of the greatest African, Cecil Rhodes.

    Cecil Rhodes the builder, Founding Father, Anglo Imperialist, and diamond tsar isn’t on their minds, but Rhodes the globalist secret society kingpin lives on.

  28. @istevefan

    grappling with Japanese-caliber demographic decline
     
    Japan doesn't appear to be doing that poorly. And one thing I find interesting is that, though Japan and other NE Asians are not shy about adopting Western tech and certain cultural features, they seem to have decided to take a pass on the whole mass immigration and diversity thing which we have been telling them for years is the secret to our strength.

    That should tell you something. They've observed it from afar, and want nothing to do with it. I wonder if their strong opposition has been stoked by their experiences as tourists. Given how many NE Asians visit Paris and other similar places, they must all have horror stories about what the hell happened to the Europeans/Americans. I think the NZ shooter even said he got radicalized when he visited France, and found that it was even worse than the wingnuts on the web had reported.

    And one thing I find interesting is that, though Japan and other NE Asians are not shy about adopting Western tech and certain cultural features, they seem to have decided to take a pass on the whole mass immigration and diversity thing which we have been telling them for years is the secret to our strength.

    Not for long. The rest of the global elite has caught on to their demographic judiciousness and has included Japan in the UN’s plans for (their term) “replacement migration”.

    • Replies: @istevefan

    has included Japan in the UN’s plans for (their term) “replacement migration”.
     
    That would be worth the paper it is written on unless the Japanese agree to it. Does anyone really think the UN can enforce this?
  29. @Almost Missouri

    "we must grow our population ad infinitum, until our descendants totally fill every livable space and consume every available resource."
     
    Nay further, we must grow until the entire surface of the earth is covered by a spherical shell of human flesh, a shell that is expanding outward into space at an exponential rate!

    This is the only way to conquer the stars!

    If I have had a better, more expensive view of the San Francisco Bay, it is only by literally standing on the shoulders of billions of lumpenproles.

  30. @Ron Unz
    Well, as I've been telling people for years, the easiest means of very quickly growing the American economy is to "Merge with Mexico."

    The moment the legal documents are signed, our GDP will increase by 5% or whatever, while giving us a big boost in our population and lowering our median age.

    Actually, legally merging with India would be even better, increasing our GDP by an even larger amount and instantaneously raising the total American population to well over 1.5 billion. Take that, nasty old China!!!

    But for US population growth in the long run, absolutely nothing can beat legally merging with all of Sub-Saharan Africa. And anyone who opposes the idea can be arrested by Elizabeth Warren as an self-revealed White Nationalist...

    We could at least conquer the border territory and bust up some cartels. Mexico admits it has no authority there because it can’t stop the caravans.

  31. @Ron Unz
    Well, as I've been telling people for years, the easiest means of very quickly growing the American economy is to "Merge with Mexico."

    The moment the legal documents are signed, our GDP will increase by 5% or whatever, while giving us a big boost in our population and lowering our median age.

    Actually, legally merging with India would be even better, increasing our GDP by an even larger amount and instantaneously raising the total American population to well over 1.5 billion. Take that, nasty old China!!!

    But for US population growth in the long run, absolutely nothing can beat legally merging with all of Sub-Saharan Africa. And anyone who opposes the idea can be arrested by Elizabeth Warren as an self-revealed White Nationalist...

    Funny, my coworkers discussed this same scenario in half-jest this week.

    Why won’t the “progressive left” come out and just admit this is the end game? I mean, isn’t the final goal of globalization is to have no borders? Expand the tax base, open the treasury coffers(with keystrokes, no gold left in Fort Knox!) for more social programs?

    Obviously we’re not people with a common language, customs or traditions to our overseers. Just economic units adding to the alter of GDP and quarterly growth for shareholders.

  32. @WowJustWow

    And one thing I find interesting is that, though Japan and other NE Asians are not shy about adopting Western tech and certain cultural features, they seem to have decided to take a pass on the whole mass immigration and diversity thing which we have been telling them for years is the secret to our strength.
     
    Not for long. The rest of the global elite has caught on to their demographic judiciousness and has included Japan in the UN's plans for (their term) "replacement migration".

    has included Japan in the UN’s plans for (their term) “replacement migration”.

    That would be worth the paper it is written on unless the Japanese agree to it. Does anyone really think the UN can enforce this?

    • Replies: @216
    Imagine a leftist US President that supported sanctions on countries that don't take migrants.
    , @notanon

    Does anyone really think the UN can enforce this?
     
    wrong way round

    will the banking mafia who got this policy adopted by corrupting the UN be able to eventually corrupt the Japanese political class?
  33. Don’t miss the real impetus behind this feigned concern for aging counties… moving third world vibrants to specifically targeted areas will tip the Red rural balance of the electoral map that much faster. Sending Somalis to Blair county, Pennsylvania is not meant to help the local economy, but dilute and directly affect the sea of Red that coastal liberals hate more than anything else.

    • Replies: @notanon
    counter insurgency tactics - it's the equivalent of creating platoon houses in every neighborhood.
  34. Anonymous[184] • Disclaimer says:

    Re: betting against American citizens, Intel is definitely playing to type:
    http://www.oregonlive.com/silicon-forest/2019/03/intel-lays-off-hundreds-of-tech-administrators.html

    Granted, these seem to have been largely I.T. “grunts” of the style lately personified by Eddie Snowden, basically glorified cable guys– but the positions weren’t so expendable not to be steered straight into the craw of Infosys

  35. @Ron Unz
    Well, as I've been telling people for years, the easiest means of very quickly growing the American economy is to "Merge with Mexico."

    The moment the legal documents are signed, our GDP will increase by 5% or whatever, while giving us a big boost in our population and lowering our median age.

    Actually, legally merging with India would be even better, increasing our GDP by an even larger amount and instantaneously raising the total American population to well over 1.5 billion. Take that, nasty old China!!!

    But for US population growth in the long run, absolutely nothing can beat legally merging with all of Sub-Saharan Africa. And anyone who opposes the idea can be arrested by Elizabeth Warren as an self-revealed White Nationalist...

    You are an awesome troll.

  36. @istevefan

    has included Japan in the UN’s plans for (their term) “replacement migration”.
     
    That would be worth the paper it is written on unless the Japanese agree to it. Does anyone really think the UN can enforce this?

    Imagine a leftist US President that supported sanctions on countries that don’t take migrants.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Leftist?
    , @byrresheim
    Indeed, and if it were only for not allowing us to agree more often.
  37. @Almost Missouri

    "parts of the United States are already grappling with Japanese-caliber demographic decline — 41 percent of American counties with a combined population of 38 million."
     
    Weird how the coastal elite blue-city goodthinkers are suddenly all worried about the tenth of the US population in flyover country! They aren't usually that empathetic toward us. I can almost feel their love from here...

    "The authors of the E.I.G. report suggest a potential solution: an immigration policy that would stop the vicious cycle. They propose that visas could be made available to skilled immigrants on the condition they go to one of the areas struggling with demographic decline."
     
    Ah, now I see. Never mind.

    Well, as someone who spends time in both Canadian flyover country, and the big city…

    I can safely assure you that *more immigrunts* and *raise the GDP* is NOT on their minds.

    They DO NOT WANT IMMIGRANTS. SO FUCK OFF.

  38. economic treason needs to be a crime

  39. The authors of the E.I.G. report suggest a potential solution: an immigration policy that would stop the vicious cycle. They propose that visas could be made available to skilled immigrants on the condition they go to one of the areas struggling with demographic decline.

    Look closely… this is prep work for a strategic assault on the electoral college and the senate.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/rural-northern-immigration-pilot-about.html

    They are doing the same thing in Canada. "Demographic Decline" really just means: many boomers who will die off soon. The actual demographics are pretty healthy in rural areas, as in after the Boomers there was replacement level fertility. So while the pyramid is currently top heavy, it's pretty evenly balanced underneath. Not really a problem in the long term, imo.

    Rural communities really need to organize and prepare to fight against this influx. Rural white people think they're immune, but in reality the immigrants just haven't been directed there. What are they going to do when Section 8 goes up in their town? This is a massive problem going forwards.
  40. @Ron Unz
    Well, as I've been telling people for years, the easiest means of very quickly growing the American economy is to "Merge with Mexico."

    The moment the legal documents are signed, our GDP will increase by 5% or whatever, while giving us a big boost in our population and lowering our median age.

    Actually, legally merging with India would be even better, increasing our GDP by an even larger amount and instantaneously raising the total American population to well over 1.5 billion. Take that, nasty old China!!!

    But for US population growth in the long run, absolutely nothing can beat legally merging with all of Sub-Saharan Africa. And anyone who opposes the idea can be arrested by Elizabeth Warren as an self-revealed White Nationalist...

    “First Mexico, and tomorrow the world.”

  41. @Ron Unz
    Well, as I've been telling people for years, the easiest means of very quickly growing the American economy is to "Merge with Mexico."

    The moment the legal documents are signed, our GDP will increase by 5% or whatever, while giving us a big boost in our population and lowering our median age.

    Actually, legally merging with India would be even better, increasing our GDP by an even larger amount and instantaneously raising the total American population to well over 1.5 billion. Take that, nasty old China!!!

    But for US population growth in the long run, absolutely nothing can beat legally merging with all of Sub-Saharan Africa. And anyone who opposes the idea can be arrested by Elizabeth Warren as an self-revealed White Nationalist...

    Ron White (L) for President explains his border control proposal. It involves buying Mexico and flipping it.

    Note: Bad language.

    • Replies: @guest
    I like the real estate speculator's outlook on empire, but I don't think the investment necessary to clean up Mexico would pay off. Also, banksters already have cocaine money, and they run us. We need permission that they won't grant.
    , @Redneck farmer
    I support the plan!
  42. @guest
    Schizophrenically, the same ruling class promotes unfruitful copulation, "safe" sex, abortion, women in the workplace, and all manner of sterility AND complains about not having enough people.

    Schizophrenically

    That’s not how you spell “diabolically.”

    • Replies: @byrresheim
    Indeed.
  43. @istevefan

    Slower growth in the working-age population is a problem in much of the country. Could targeted immigration policy help solve it?
     
    Question: We've taken in 60 million immigrants since 1965, an amount unprecedented in world history. These people have had children and grandchildren. How come that is not enough to keep the working-age population at levels desired by our oligarchs? Might this suggest that there is a problem with the USA? After all if the natives aren't reproducing and the replacements aren't reproducing to the satisfaction of the oligarchs, then might there be a problem with the domestic conditions that needs to be addressed?

    Policies to encourage American families to have more children would help over the long run by increasing the supply of potential workers in the future.
     
    This should have been implemented before mass immigration. But let's remember folks, that the start of this current cycle of mass immigration was passed in 1965, on the cusp of the largest baby boom in history. So let's not let them pretend this was always about birth rates. It wasn't.

    A new report from the Economic Innovation Group, a Washington think tank funded in large part by tech investors and entrepreneurs
     
    I did the old Steve-O 'ctrl-F', not for immigrants, which surprisingly were featured in this article. But rather, I searched for 'automation'. How could an article discussing something funded by tech investors and entrepreneurs not include a discussion on the hot topic of the day, automation? After all, we are told that automation may replace up to 40% of today's jobs in the next decade.

    It would be nice to get the reporters who write such stories about automation to collaborate with the reporters who write immigration puff pieces so as to put into context the need for further immigrants with the reality that many jobs will no longer require warm bodies in the near future. Why bring in people today who won't be needed in a few years?

    These people have had children and grandchildren.

    You mean the immigrants themselves get old?! Wow, that’s one that we missed when doing our calculations. Nice catch!

  44. @Buzz Mohawk
    Will the economist in the room who can figure out how to live well without having to always grow and add more people please stand up?

    This paradigm that you must grow or die is insane. The reductio ad absurdum is that we must grow our population ad infinitum, until our descendants totally fill every livable space and consume every available resource. Is this the inescapable cycle of human life? Are we as dumb as weeds?

    Some things are worth the pain. Preserving a clean, open living space and a healthy, functioning culture is worth paying more for stuff and paying the working people who do stuff -- and living with less stuff from time to time.

    Nonstop population growth is insane.

    I guess Malta is in trouble. I doubt they can take too many more people. I am sure they will be paupers soon.

    • Replies: @slumber_j
    Not to mention Monaco.
  45. @Buzz Mohawk
    Will the economist in the room who can figure out how to live well without having to always grow and add more people please stand up?

    This paradigm that you must grow or die is insane. The reductio ad absurdum is that we must grow our population ad infinitum, until our descendants totally fill every livable space and consume every available resource. Is this the inescapable cycle of human life? Are we as dumb as weeds?

    Some things are worth the pain. Preserving a clean, open living space and a healthy, functioning culture is worth paying more for stuff and paying the working people who do stuff -- and living with less stuff from time to time.

    Nonstop population growth is insane.

    Great comment, Buzz, and as for this:

    This paradigm that you must grow or die is insane.

    I’ve heard this from so many big corporations. “If you don’t expand, you die.” What a load of crap. There’s nothing wrong with keeping up with the market, improving quality, and innovating, but you don’t have to grow in size or even sales to remain successful. I guess these bullshitters go on up to positions in government or as NY Times writers.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    Well, it's more like if you don't expand, you don't get to keep being CEO.
    , @bomag

    “If you don’t expand, you die.”
     
    Meanwhile, the countries with the most population growth tend to be shitholes.
  46. @Almost Missouri

    "so it isn’t really the solution some think it is, unless we admitted 10 mln+ per annum."
     
    Since nowadays immigrants on average consume more benefits than they pay in taxes, even letting in an infinite amount would not be a solution. Indeed, it would (i.e., already does) make things worse.

    Losing money on each immigrant, but making it up on volume seems to be the NYT’s formula for prosperity.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Losing money on each immigrant, but making it up on volume seems to be the NYT’s formula for prosperity.
     
    The Coolest Cooler strategy!

    Coolest Cooler, Kickstarter’s most-funded project ever, is too broke to ship to backers

    Oregon opens official investigation into Kickstarter sweetheart Coolest Cooler

    Did somebody say "per capita"?

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/7v6_HlrLwCw/maxresdefault.jpg

  47. @Buzz Mohawk
    Will the economist in the room who can figure out how to live well without having to always grow and add more people please stand up?

    This paradigm that you must grow or die is insane. The reductio ad absurdum is that we must grow our population ad infinitum, until our descendants totally fill every livable space and consume every available resource. Is this the inescapable cycle of human life? Are we as dumb as weeds?

    Some things are worth the pain. Preserving a clean, open living space and a healthy, functioning culture is worth paying more for stuff and paying the working people who do stuff -- and living with less stuff from time to time.

    Nonstop population growth is insane.

    Will the economist in the room who can figure out how to live well without having to always grow and add more people please stand up?

    that’s simple enough – just split the proceeds of increased productivity with labor – this would lead to increased demand with the same number of people.

    what unlimited immigration does is allow capital to keep all the proceeds of increased productivity for themselves.

    it’s just greed masquerading as economics.

    economists won’t say this cos the media would call them racist.

  48. Place-based visas seem like a good idea to avoid the usual process of bidding up rents in the big cities, with all the gains going to landowners and those who can’t afford them moving to the suburbs (or even further out within them) & commuting. And a government that wanted to enforce the residency requirement could do so. China is able to monitor who is permitted to move into its cities vs the countryside.

  49. Great post, Steve. This is the kind of post outta you that I really like, done as a fisking, if I can still use that term. I was just about to write something about the lack of understanding of “per capita”, but you covered that too.

    Americans should really learn about what this magical GDP, and growth in it means. It ain’t all steel and wheat production. GDP goes up from more divorces or corporate mergers when the lawyers make money. GDP goes up when a Cat-5 hurricane hits Panama City and 10’s of thousands of roofs must be rebuilt. It has squat-all to do with quality of life.

  50. @216
    Social peace has been bought on the promise of old age pensions.

    Those pensions are pyramid schemes. They cannot function without people paying in, there is no actual savings, just a disguised wealth transfer/vote buying.

    At best, they can kick the can by raising retirement to age 70, and incentivizing some people to work even beyond that.

    Mass immigration never procedes at the level enough to restore a dependency ratio found in the middle of the 20th century, so it isn't really the solution some think it is, unless we admitted 10 mln+ per annum.

    Perhaps investing money into the Third World via sovereign wealth funds could capture some of the theoretical "convergence gains" and kick the pension can a bit farther.

    if US wages had kept pace with productivity increases people retiring today would have overflowing pensions.

  51. @istevefan

    has included Japan in the UN’s plans for (their term) “replacement migration”.
     
    That would be worth the paper it is written on unless the Japanese agree to it. Does anyone really think the UN can enforce this?

    Does anyone really think the UN can enforce this?

    wrong way round

    will the banking mafia who got this policy adopted by corrupting the UN be able to eventually corrupt the Japanese political class?

  52. @Robert Lee
    Don't miss the real impetus behind this feigned concern for aging counties... moving third world vibrants to specifically targeted areas will tip the Red rural balance of the electoral map that much faster. Sending Somalis to Blair county, Pennsylvania is not meant to help the local economy, but dilute and directly affect the sea of Red that coastal liberals hate more than anything else.

    counter insurgency tactics – it’s the equivalent of creating platoon houses in every neighborhood.

  53. A shrinking supply of working-age people…

    Beats a working-age supply of shrinking people.

  54. @istevefan

    grappling with Japanese-caliber demographic decline
     
    Japan doesn't appear to be doing that poorly. And one thing I find interesting is that, though Japan and other NE Asians are not shy about adopting Western tech and certain cultural features, they seem to have decided to take a pass on the whole mass immigration and diversity thing which we have been telling them for years is the secret to our strength.

    That should tell you something. They've observed it from afar, and want nothing to do with it. I wonder if their strong opposition has been stoked by their experiences as tourists. Given how many NE Asians visit Paris and other similar places, they must all have horror stories about what the hell happened to the Europeans/Americans. I think the NZ shooter even said he got radicalized when he visited France, and found that it was even worse than the wingnuts on the web had reported.

    The UN has dumped some Yemeni refugees on Korea and the people there are not happy about it:

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    What's the deal with Asians and hospital masks? Do they know something we don't?

    Also, I always wonder how people in foreign demonstrations decide to make signs in English. Is this an organic thing or are these American astro-turf plants? Do Americans ever make protest signs in French or German?

    Just asking.
    , @anonymous
    Interesting

    I am always amazed by the lack of self awareness these protesters possess. How do they feel about Korean immigration to the US?

    I remember a similar event in Poland last year. Polish nationalists were violently protesting the arrival of "Shitistan" immigrants to their country. Yet as I pointed out, large numbers of Poles have immigrated to the UK and stirred similar fillings in the local populace there.

    https://www.huckmag.com/perspectives/sklep-stories-learned-brexit-afternoon-polish-deli/
  55. @Hypnotoad666
    Losing money on each immigrant, but making it up on volume seems to be the NYT's formula for prosperity.

    Losing money on each immigrant, but making it up on volume seems to be the NYT’s formula for prosperity.

    The Coolest Cooler strategy!

    Coolest Cooler, Kickstarter’s most-funded project ever, is too broke to ship to backers

    Oregon opens official investigation into Kickstarter sweetheart Coolest Cooler

    Did somebody say “per capita”?

  56. Jane Austen wasn’t a religious Christian? –Steve on Twitter

    “Everytime I read ‘Pride and Prejudice’ I want to dig her up and beat her over the skull with her own shin-bone.”

    ― Mark Twain

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    She was no Walt Whitman, that's for sure.

    Whiskey knows the type.
    , @Desiderius
    That poor guy he was responding to on twitter. These newly minted take-makers have no idea how much damage they're doing to their careers when they inadvertently admit they've never met, or even heard of, an Episcopalian.

    It's like Eliza Doolittle pre-Henry Higgins.
    , @The Last Real Calvinist

    “Everytime I read ‘Pride and Prejudice’ I want to dig her up and beat her over the skull with her own shin-bone.”

    ― Mark Twain
     
    I'd like to ask Twain: if reading P & P is so infuriating, why do you keep on doing it?
  57. @216
    Imagine a leftist US President that supported sanctions on countries that don't take migrants.

    Leftist?

  58. @Reg Cæsar

    Jane Austen wasn't a religious Christian? --Steve on Twitter
     
    “Everytime I read 'Pride and Prejudice' I want to dig her up and beat her over the skull with her own shin-bone.”

    ― Mark Twain

    She was no Walt Whitman, that’s for sure.

    Whiskey knows the type.

  59. The employees of the NYT need to Google the Pew Research report, which nullifies the bogus demographic argument for mass immigration. The Millennial generation is—in fact—larger than the Baby Boom generation, but they are far more underemployed than the Boomers were in their youths.

    Gen Xers, an older and more reliable voting group, are likewise underemployed except in the top 20% of dual-high-earner parents, the “needs-the-job” parents concentrating two, locked-in, above-firing jobs under one roof. Many of them are in cartel-pricing industries in which prices (and wages) never drop, like healthcare and education.

    Although the average employed person in the USA works part time, underemployment of likely voters is why media Dems are working overtime to showcase the MeToo assault on Joe Biden, the avuncular groper. Dems know that many cross-over voters, particularly the men but lots of women, too, were not impressed with the emphasis on a fake sexism crisis during the 2016 campaign.

    The MSM is trying to humanize Uncle Joe to the cross-over voters. They think the disgust with MeToo whining about Biden’s shoulder rubs will magnify the disillusionment with Trump, a POTUS who has done nothing on immigration, although he has passed a bigly tax cut for the employers of 1) illegal aliens and 2) the 1.5 — 1.7 million foreign nationals hauled in here each year, in addition to a tax cut for heirs.

    These Rust Belters have between zero and little money saved for retirement from the available temp / churn jobs that replaced the decent manufacturing jobs, especially since rent and housing costs have gone up 72% since 1995, so they have to be worried about wantonly irresponsible tax cuts that endanger the SS they paid into at 7.65 to 15% of every measly penny earned.

    They don’t care that the economy is great—GREAT—for babyvacationing dual-high-earner parents in the top 20%, with their two Fed-protected 401k streams and their two SS streams per household at retirement.

    The retired business managers among them get amply rewarded for their part in helping to ship millions of American jobs across the ocean and across the un-walled southern border. Those people have plenty in retirement, whereas the average, non-home-owning, single American has $1,300 per month at retirement, with a $900 per month rent bill for a one-room hovel.

    • Replies: @Old Prude
    Two millenials showed up last weekend to buy a scooter for city transport. College graduates, working as waitress/waiter, living in some hole apartment in the city with no car. They must have looked around our house, big truck, sports car, SUV, tractor, scooter, horses, garage, barn and extra rooms crammed with STUFF and thought "These boomer f****s, grabbed it all, and we're left with paying the bill..." Something to that...
  60. @Reg Cæsar

    Jane Austen wasn't a religious Christian? --Steve on Twitter
     
    “Everytime I read 'Pride and Prejudice' I want to dig her up and beat her over the skull with her own shin-bone.”

    ― Mark Twain

    That poor guy he was responding to on twitter. These newly minted take-makers have no idea how much damage they’re doing to their careers when they inadvertently admit they’ve never met, or even heard of, an Episcopalian.

    It’s like Eliza Doolittle pre-Henry Higgins.

  61. @Reg Cæsar

    Jane Austen wasn't a religious Christian? --Steve on Twitter
     
    “Everytime I read 'Pride and Prejudice' I want to dig her up and beat her over the skull with her own shin-bone.”

    ― Mark Twain

    “Everytime I read ‘Pride and Prejudice’ I want to dig her up and beat her over the skull with her own shin-bone.”

    ― Mark Twain

    I’d like to ask Twain: if reading P & P is so infuriating, why do you keep on doing it?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Why did Lizzie Bennet keep thinking about that awful Mr. Darcy?
    , @Reg Cæsar

    I’d like to ask Twain: if reading P & P is so infuriating, why do you keep on doing it?
     
    He was predestined to.
  62. @The Last Real Calvinist

    “Everytime I read ‘Pride and Prejudice’ I want to dig her up and beat her over the skull with her own shin-bone.”

    ― Mark Twain
     
    I'd like to ask Twain: if reading P & P is so infuriating, why do you keep on doing it?

    Why did Lizzie Bennet keep thinking about that awful Mr. Darcy?

  63. Anonymous[396] • Disclaimer says:

    Canada tried getting immigrants to move to economically depressed areas and it’s largely failed in the long term.

    The “Let in immigrants to preserve our small towns” argument comes up a fair amount around the world. But why on Earth would liberals want to preserve them? They think that small towns are vipers’ nests full of white supremacists just one Ann Coulter tweet away from forming a lynch mob to murder some hapless Mexican transvegansexual who wanders into their county. Shouldn’t they want small tows to die, with their children moving on to big cosmopolitan cities to become NYT readers?

    If liberal common knowledge about immigration is true, all the settlement of Mexicans in small towns will do is create an army of slightly browner Trump-voters. After all, they know for a fact that immigrants don’t ever change the area they move to. That’s why the New York Times is headquartered in a wigwam and published in Lenape.

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @SFG
    LOL.

    I actually wouldn't be too surprised if some of the Mexicans start drifting right and annoying the NYT. There was an article by Edsall (who usually is one of the more reasonable people on that ed page) exploring why Latinos hadn't fallen head over heels in love with the Dems, with lots of angry people in the comments going 'we're legal, why do you think we like illegals?'

    They're still majority Dem, of course, so it's good for the Dems and probably bad for the country, but I could see some second-generation Mexican Crowder or Milo popping up in 20 years to annoy the campus/media left with talk about traditional Christian values.
  64. @Anonymousse

    The authors of the E.I.G. report suggest a potential solution: an immigration policy that would stop the vicious cycle. They propose that visas could be made available to skilled immigrants on the condition they go to one of the areas struggling with demographic decline.
     
    Look closely... this is prep work for a strategic assault on the electoral college and the senate.

    https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/rural-northern-immigration-pilot-about.html

    They are doing the same thing in Canada. “Demographic Decline” really just means: many boomers who will die off soon. The actual demographics are pretty healthy in rural areas, as in after the Boomers there was replacement level fertility. So while the pyramid is currently top heavy, it’s pretty evenly balanced underneath. Not really a problem in the long term, imo.

    Rural communities really need to organize and prepare to fight against this influx. Rural white people think they’re immune, but in reality the immigrants just haven’t been directed there. What are they going to do when Section 8 goes up in their town? This is a massive problem going forwards.

  65. You know, New York Times, there is this concept called “per capita” that’s useful for thinking about topics like this.

    It would be interesting to determine when the media stopped talking about ‘standard of living’ (inherently per capita) and replaced it with ‘the economy’.

    • Replies: @SFG
    Interesting question. Books always lag the media by a few years, but...

    https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=standard+of+living%2Cthe+economy&year_start=1800&year_end=2010&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cstandard%20of%20living%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cthe%20economy%3B%2Cc0

    Actually looks like 'the economy' took off in the 30s (maybe in response to the Depression?) and 'standard of living' peaked somewhere in the late 40s. I was expecting a lot later to be honest.
  66. I’d rather we “decline” like Japan than “thrive” like Mexico.

  67. We currently have about as many immigrants as the United Kingdom has people. If immigration solved all the problems the open borders claimed it would solved…then we wouldn’t have any problems. Instead we still manage to have a massive federal budget deficit, a massive trade deficit, and declining quality of life indicators among white Americans – growing rates suicide and drug addiction, and plummeting birthrates.

    Those claiming more immigrants will solve our problems should explain to us why our current 60 million immigrants weren’t enough to solve it.

    And the idea that we will be able to keep immigrants in economically depressed areas, when we can’t (make that *won’t*) keep out illegal immigrants? Please try feeding that load of cowshit to someone else.

  68. @Achmed E. Newman
    Ron White (L) for President explains his border control proposal. It involves buying Mexico and flipping it.

    Note: Bad language.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na2NQxDUMaY

    I like the real estate speculator’s outlook on empire, but I don’t think the investment necessary to clean up Mexico would pay off. Also, banksters already have cocaine money, and they run us. We need permission that they won’t grant.

  69. @The Last Real Calvinist

    “Everytime I read ‘Pride and Prejudice’ I want to dig her up and beat her over the skull with her own shin-bone.”

    ― Mark Twain
     
    I'd like to ask Twain: if reading P & P is so infuriating, why do you keep on doing it?

    I’d like to ask Twain: if reading P & P is so infuriating, why do you keep on doing it?

    He was predestined to.

  70. I work in a manufacturing plant. As our market share has declined due to our lack of innovation and competition from overseas, we have slowly replaced our skilled workers with African refugees, because we can’t afford to pay skilled help. Everyone is screaming about how hard it is to find workers. What should have happened is we should have either closed our doors years ago, making us all available for more viable businesses to employ, or we should have automated (if we had the capital). Instead, we are allowed to survive by using cheap labor imported from Africa. We can’t last too much longer, because cheap Africans are less productive and less innovative than cheap Chinese.

    On the bright side, when we do fold, all those Somalians and Congolese will be available for hire.

  71. “More Immigration: What Can’t It Cure?”

    Yep, did wonders for the Romans.

  72. @Paul
    The idea that slower population growth is a problem is just another hoax. With per capita economic growth that rises a typical amount, a bigger elderly population is easily affordable. And a smaller population means lower prices for such resources as real estate -- a good thing.

    That is also why the notion that Social Security benefits must be cut is also phony.

    Or we could let the old, useless eaters die, and suddenly not not have budget problems, slash taxes on couples at peak child-bearing age, and not have our roads clogged by people driving 10 mph under the speed limit.

  73. @bgates
    You scoff, but the Dayton region has experienced the economic benefits of large-scale immigration before. One look at the change in that area's per capita GDP from 1600 to the present makes clear the Shawnee have never been a richer society.

    The Shawnee themselves are immigrants; the Iroquois let them settle Ohio after the Iroquois ethnically cleansed the area in the 1600s.

  74. @Achmed E. Newman
    Ron White (L) for President explains his border control proposal. It involves buying Mexico and flipping it.

    Note: Bad language.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na2NQxDUMaY

    I support the plan!

  75. @Achmed E. Newman
    Great comment, Buzz, and as for this:

    This paradigm that you must grow or die is insane.
     
    I've heard this from so many big corporations. "If you don't expand, you die." What a load of crap. There's nothing wrong with keeping up with the market, improving quality, and innovating, but you don't have to grow in size or even sales to remain successful. I guess these bullshitters go on up to positions in government or as NY Times writers.

    Well, it’s more like if you don’t expand, you don’t get to keep being CEO.

  76. @BenKenobi

    Schizophrenically
     
    That's not how you spell "diabolically."

    Indeed.

  77. @216
    Imagine a leftist US President that supported sanctions on countries that don't take migrants.

    Indeed, and if it were only for not allowing us to agree more often.

  78. huge numbers of English Learners

    Dream on. They will only bother to “learn” English if there are not enough of them to have their own communities where they don’t need to “learn” English.

    With the numbers we are getting, “learning” English will be for suckers.

  79. @Cagey Beast
    The end result of current immigration policies will be an America with its current imperial pretentions and a military drawn predominately from Latin American death squad cultures. These vets will then return home to join the police force. Oh well, as long as the US is the sole superpower abroad and the biggest purchaser of Chinese goods at home.

    Nah, eventually we’ll get our asses kicked by China abroad and have to retrench.

    The USA is going to look like Brazil if anything–huge slums, mix of peoples, corrupt leftists alternating with right-wing populists who don’t do anything.

    The bit about right-wing Latin American death squads is quite prescient–I wouldn’t be too surprised if the rightier Hispanics get attracted to the Republican party. There was actually a prison gang called the ‘Nazi Low Riders’.

    • Replies: @Lowe
    American elites are not going to pick a fight with China, if there is any possible way to avoid it. Which there should be.

    Likewise they will not pick a fight with Russia. These countries have good enough technology to put up a fight, and they have racial and ethnic homogeneity. This means their soldiers are actually willing to fight and die.

    The US military would lose in a humiliating way, if pressed to fight opponents like that, anywhere close to their home turf. US elites realize that.
    , @Cagey Beast
    I predict the Republican Party will become much more comfortable with bling, showmanship and thuggishness in order to thrive in a more vibrant America. Cesar Sayoc -- the half-Filipino male stripper who lived in a van plastered with Trump fan art and sent out mail bombs -- is typical of the kind of people the GOP will need to win over in the future America.

    Trump gets that. He gets that he can't turn his nose up at the Chinese lady who runs a chain of "happy endings" massage parlours. It's only the Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan types who think they can have Eisenhower's GOP without Eisenhower's America.
  80. @dvorak

    You know, New York Times, there is this concept called “per capita” that’s useful for thinking about topics like this.
     
    It would be interesting to determine when the media stopped talking about 'standard of living' (inherently per capita) and replaced it with 'the economy'.

    Interesting question. Books always lag the media by a few years, but…

    https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=standard+of+living%2Cthe+economy&year_start=1800&year_end=2010&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cstandard%20of%20living%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cthe%20economy%3B%2Cc0

    Actually looks like ‘the economy’ took off in the 30s (maybe in response to the Depression?) and ‘standard of living’ peaked somewhere in the late 40s. I was expecting a lot later to be honest.

    • Replies: @dvorak
    Thanks!
  81. @Anonymous
    Canada tried getting immigrants to move to economically depressed areas and it's largely failed in the long term.

    The "Let in immigrants to preserve our small towns" argument comes up a fair amount around the world. But why on Earth would liberals want to preserve them? They think that small towns are vipers' nests full of white supremacists just one Ann Coulter tweet away from forming a lynch mob to murder some hapless Mexican transvegansexual who wanders into their county. Shouldn't they want small tows to die, with their children moving on to big cosmopolitan cities to become NYT readers?

    If liberal common knowledge about immigration is true, all the settlement of Mexicans in small towns will do is create an army of slightly browner Trump-voters. After all, they know for a fact that immigrants don't ever change the area they move to. That's why the New York Times is headquartered in a wigwam and published in Lenape.

    LOL.

    I actually wouldn’t be too surprised if some of the Mexicans start drifting right and annoying the NYT. There was an article by Edsall (who usually is one of the more reasonable people on that ed page) exploring why Latinos hadn’t fallen head over heels in love with the Dems, with lots of angry people in the comments going ‘we’re legal, why do you think we like illegals?’

    They’re still majority Dem, of course, so it’s good for the Dems and probably bad for the country, but I could see some second-generation Mexican Crowder or Milo popping up in 20 years to annoy the campus/media left with talk about traditional Christian values.

    • Replies: @anon

    exploring why Latinos hadn’t fallen head over heels in love with the Dems, with lots of angry people in the comments going ‘we’re legal, why do you think we like illegals?’
     
    almost none of them came here legally
  82. @istevefan

    grappling with Japanese-caliber demographic decline
     
    Japan doesn't appear to be doing that poorly. And one thing I find interesting is that, though Japan and other NE Asians are not shy about adopting Western tech and certain cultural features, they seem to have decided to take a pass on the whole mass immigration and diversity thing which we have been telling them for years is the secret to our strength.

    That should tell you something. They've observed it from afar, and want nothing to do with it. I wonder if their strong opposition has been stoked by their experiences as tourists. Given how many NE Asians visit Paris and other similar places, they must all have horror stories about what the hell happened to the Europeans/Americans. I think the NZ shooter even said he got radicalized when he visited France, and found that it was even worse than the wingnuts on the web had reported.

    I used to work with a Chinese born Amerian and he said America was making a big mistake by taking in so many non-European immigrants and that everyone would be fighting with each other down the road.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    I used to work with a Chinese born Amerian and he said America was making a big mistake by taking in so many non-European immigrants
     
    What was his argument for why?
  83. More Immigration: What Can’t It Cure?

    If you don’t see what problem immigration is supposed to fix, then the problem it is supposed to fix is you.

  84. @SFG
    LOL.

    I actually wouldn't be too surprised if some of the Mexicans start drifting right and annoying the NYT. There was an article by Edsall (who usually is one of the more reasonable people on that ed page) exploring why Latinos hadn't fallen head over heels in love with the Dems, with lots of angry people in the comments going 'we're legal, why do you think we like illegals?'

    They're still majority Dem, of course, so it's good for the Dems and probably bad for the country, but I could see some second-generation Mexican Crowder or Milo popping up in 20 years to annoy the campus/media left with talk about traditional Christian values.

    exploring why Latinos hadn’t fallen head over heels in love with the Dems, with lots of angry people in the comments going ‘we’re legal, why do you think we like illegals?’

    almost none of them came here legally

  85. I’d be very happy to see Ron Unz and Steve Sailer engage in a calm debate over immigration, without any attempts at clever point-scoring. I am thoroughly in Sailer’s camp, and I delight in his making obvious the latent biases in MSM news coverage, but it is a lot easier to defend exclusion in the abstract than it is if you’re face to face with the people you’re rejecting and can clearly see what misery they’re in. (Rather like carnivorism.) Newspapers like the NYT virtually never acknowledge that the immigration policies they espouse essentially mean the devaluation of the cultural commonwealth of our countries and the eventual dissolution of their identity, not to mention the kick in the gut to ordinary citizens when ever more newcomers are invited in to compete with them. In France, where I live, it is plain to see that the country is getting less and less French every day. The large number of Africans and other foreigners in the country, as well as their children — what reason do they have to sink deeply into Frenchness rather than glide easily on the carpet of the global Anglophone culture? Many real French people are displeased by the demands of Muslim French citizens for more mosques, but in a democracy no one has standing to object to the choices other citizens make, so one wonders how they can be surprised by such a predictable development. Ultimately, it seems to me, borders are morally defensible because certain peoples and their ways are worth preserving.

  86. I’ve posted this before, but Canada’s Century Initiative spells it all out in a beautiful interactive page:

    Interactive: What role does population growth play in building a successful country?

    Canada will grow from 35 million people to 100 million by the end of the century.

    Surely the plan for America is to grow from 350 million to… one billion people by 2100.

    Every small town in America has already been seeded with little groups of “refugees”. As they become citizens, chain migration will allow them to bring in hundreds more (an exaggeration? See Somali family reaches milestone — welcomes 150th member to Canada).

    Rural America may be Trump country now, but wait a generation. It’s kind of like looking at your green lawn, and suddenly you realize it’s mostly crabgrass.

    • Replies: @anon

    Canada will grow from 35 million people to 100 million by the end of the century.

     

    i saw that this was posted in some Canadian newspaper a year or two ago and the question all Canadians should be asking is "who decided this?"

    Surely the plan for America is to grow from 350 million to… one billion people by 2100.
     
    think about all the huge companies like Pepsi, Coca-Cola, Home Depot, Walmart, McDonalds etc that would love to see the US population at 1 billion....or more, why stop there?

    and listen to the silence of the so-called Environmentalist groups

  87. Anonymous[163] • Disclaimer says:

    You know, New York Times, there is this concept called “per capita” that’s useful for thinking about topics like this.

    There’s also a concept called “distribution,” which usually goes unmentioned on these pages.

  88. @SFG
    Interesting question. Books always lag the media by a few years, but...

    https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=standard+of+living%2Cthe+economy&year_start=1800&year_end=2010&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cstandard%20of%20living%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cthe%20economy%3B%2Cc0

    Actually looks like 'the economy' took off in the 30s (maybe in response to the Depression?) and 'standard of living' peaked somewhere in the late 40s. I was expecting a lot later to be honest.

    Thanks!

  89. Alt Right-White Natonalist Economic Policy:There is no economic case for race-replacing The Historic Native Born White American Working Class Majority………

    This should have been US Immigration Policy back in 1965:0 Nonwhite Legal Immigants…forever…..we could have avoided rule by POTUS KAMALA HARRIS IN 2021…

  90. Massive Third World immigration only leads to a demographic shift of seismic proportions eventually resulting in the First World nations becoming facsimiles of the Third World villages from which the immigrants quitted albeit with taller and sturdier buildings. Until they fall into disrepair and ruin…then a frantic search for Whitey to fix the problem except….

    • Replies: @Andy
    We know what will happen...you just have to look at Detroit today and projected it to the rest of the country
  91. by (((neil irwin)))

    • Replies: @anon
    Every. Single. Time.
    , @Anonymous
    Isn't Irwin an English name?
  92. @Achmed E. Newman
    Great comment, Buzz, and as for this:

    This paradigm that you must grow or die is insane.
     
    I've heard this from so many big corporations. "If you don't expand, you die." What a load of crap. There's nothing wrong with keeping up with the market, improving quality, and innovating, but you don't have to grow in size or even sales to remain successful. I guess these bullshitters go on up to positions in government or as NY Times writers.

    “If you don’t expand, you die.”

    Meanwhile, the countries with the most population growth tend to be shitholes.

  93. @Endgame Napoleon
    The employees of the NYT need to Google the Pew Research report, which nullifies the bogus demographic argument for mass immigration. The Millennial generation is—in fact—larger than the Baby Boom generation, but they are far more underemployed than the Boomers were in their youths.

    Gen Xers, an older and more reliable voting group, are likewise underemployed except in the top 20% of dual-high-earner parents, the “needs-the-job” parents concentrating two, locked-in, above-firing jobs under one roof. Many of them are in cartel-pricing industries in which prices (and wages) never drop, like healthcare and education.

    Although the average employed person in the USA works part time, underemployment of likely voters is why media Dems are working overtime to showcase the MeToo assault on Joe Biden, the avuncular groper. Dems know that many cross-over voters, particularly the men but lots of women, too, were not impressed with the emphasis on a fake sexism crisis during the 2016 campaign.

    The MSM is trying to humanize Uncle Joe to the cross-over voters. They think the disgust with MeToo whining about Biden’s shoulder rubs will magnify the disillusionment with Trump, a POTUS who has done nothing on immigration, although he has passed a bigly tax cut for the employers of 1) illegal aliens and 2) the 1.5 — 1.7 million foreign nationals hauled in here each year, in addition to a tax cut for heirs.

    These Rust Belters have between zero and little money saved for retirement from the available temp / churn jobs that replaced the decent manufacturing jobs, especially since rent and housing costs have gone up 72% since 1995, so they have to be worried about wantonly irresponsible tax cuts that endanger the SS they paid into at 7.65 to 15% of every measly penny earned.

    They don’t care that the economy is great—GREAT—for babyvacationing dual-high-earner parents in the top 20%, with their two Fed-protected 401k streams and their two SS streams per household at retirement.

    The retired business managers among them get amply rewarded for their part in helping to ship millions of American jobs across the ocean and across the un-walled southern border. Those people have plenty in retirement, whereas the average, non-home-owning, single American has $1,300 per month at retirement, with a $900 per month rent bill for a one-room hovel.

    Two millenials showed up last weekend to buy a scooter for city transport. College graduates, working as waitress/waiter, living in some hole apartment in the city with no car. They must have looked around our house, big truck, sports car, SUV, tractor, scooter, horses, garage, barn and extra rooms crammed with STUFF and thought “These boomer f****s, grabbed it all, and we’re left with paying the bill…” Something to that…

  94. Mass immigration has nothing to do with the economy.

    Massive immigration is for race replacement.

    The goal is to disempower white people forever.

    The goal is the ethnic cleansing of white people and it’s happening in every
    white country on earth.

    Third world immigrants do not contribute to the economy. Third world immigrants are
    unskilled and fully 90% of them wind up taking some form of government benefits.

    The goal is white genocide, the socially engineered destruction of white people WORLDWIDE.
    The fact that it’s happening at the same time in every white country is proof that it’s DELIBERATE.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Mass immigration has nothing to do with the economy.

    Massive immigration is for race replacement.

    The goal is to disempower white people forever.
     
    This.
  95. anon[216] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon7
    I’ve posted this before, but Canada’s Century Initiative spells it all out in a beautiful interactive page:

    Interactive: What role does population growth play in building a successful country?

    Canada will grow from 35 million people to 100 million by the end of the century.

    Surely the plan for America is to grow from 350 million to... one billion people by 2100.

    Every small town in America has already been seeded with little groups of “refugees”. As they become citizens, chain migration will allow them to bring in hundreds more (an exaggeration? See Somali family reaches milestone — welcomes 150th member to Canada).

    Rural America may be Trump country now, but wait a generation. It’s kind of like looking at your green lawn, and suddenly you realize it’s mostly crabgrass.

    Canada will grow from 35 million people to 100 million by the end of the century.

    i saw that this was posted in some Canadian newspaper a year or two ago and the question all Canadians should be asking is “who decided this?”

    Surely the plan for America is to grow from 350 million to… one billion people by 2100.

    think about all the huge companies like Pepsi, Coca-Cola, Home Depot, Walmart, McDonalds etc that would love to see the US population at 1 billion….or more, why stop there?

    and listen to the silence of the so-called Environmentalist groups

    • Replies: @Anon7
    I remember reading Paul Ehrlich’s book The Population Bomb in the late Sixties. It started the Environmental Movement that insisted on immediate population control.

    Ehrlich starts the book by describing a cab ride that he and his family experienced in Delhi. In the “ancient taxi,” its seats “hopping with fleas,” the Ehr­lichs entered “a crowded slum area.”

    The streets seemed alive with people. People eating, people washing, people sleeping. People visiting, arguing, and screaming. People thrust their hands through the taxi window, begging. People defecating and urinating. People clinging to buses. People herding animals. People, people, people, people. . . . [S]ince that night, I’ve known the feel of overpopulation.
     
    A vision of America to come? Apparently we are not free to dispute it.
  96. @jim jones
    The UN has dumped some Yemeni refugees on Korea and the people there are not happy about it:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Za4aP76rLM

    What’s the deal with Asians and hospital masks? Do they know something we don’t?

    Also, I always wonder how people in foreign demonstrations decide to make signs in English. Is this an organic thing or are these American astro-turf plants? Do Americans ever make protest signs in French or German?

    Just asking.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    The masks are an entirely sensible thing we ought to have here. Those ones have a cold and don't want it to spread.
    , @Jack D
    It's the opposite of what you probably think. You wear a mask to avoid spreading disease to others, the same reason surgeons wear them.
  97. @anon
    by (((neil irwin)))

    Every. Single. Time.

  98. Steve,
    It sucks that you don’t post my comments.
    Other people say the same things that I do.

  99. @SFG
    Nah, eventually we'll get our asses kicked by China abroad and have to retrench.

    The USA is going to look like Brazil if anything--huge slums, mix of peoples, corrupt leftists alternating with right-wing populists who don't do anything.

    The bit about right-wing Latin American death squads is quite prescient--I wouldn't be too surprised if the rightier Hispanics get attracted to the Republican party. There was actually a prison gang called the 'Nazi Low Riders'.

    American elites are not going to pick a fight with China, if there is any possible way to avoid it. Which there should be.

    Likewise they will not pick a fight with Russia. These countries have good enough technology to put up a fight, and they have racial and ethnic homogeneity. This means their soldiers are actually willing to fight and die.

    The US military would lose in a humiliating way, if pressed to fight opponents like that, anywhere close to their home turf. US elites realize that.

  100. @Western
    I guess Malta is in trouble. I doubt they can take too many more people. I am sure they will be paupers soon.

    Not to mention Monaco.

  101. anonymous[255] • Disclaimer says:
    @jim jones
    The UN has dumped some Yemeni refugees on Korea and the people there are not happy about it:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Za4aP76rLM

    Interesting

    I am always amazed by the lack of self awareness these protesters possess. How do they feel about Korean immigration to the US?

    I remember a similar event in Poland last year. Polish nationalists were violently protesting the arrival of “Shitistan” immigrants to their country. Yet as I pointed out, large numbers of Poles have immigrated to the UK and stirred similar fillings in the local populace there.

    https://www.huckmag.com/perspectives/sklep-stories-learned-brexit-afternoon-polish-deli/

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Yet as I pointed out,

    How can you have a problem with getting cancer, when other people have gotten cancer? [Tapping Eddie Murphy's right temple.] Answer me that if you can, with your science, you hypocrite!
  102. @Hypnotoad666
    What's the deal with Asians and hospital masks? Do they know something we don't?

    Also, I always wonder how people in foreign demonstrations decide to make signs in English. Is this an organic thing or are these American astro-turf plants? Do Americans ever make protest signs in French or German?

    Just asking.

    The masks are an entirely sensible thing we ought to have here. Those ones have a cold and don’t want it to spread.

  103. @Hypnotoad666
    What's the deal with Asians and hospital masks? Do they know something we don't?

    Also, I always wonder how people in foreign demonstrations decide to make signs in English. Is this an organic thing or are these American astro-turf plants? Do Americans ever make protest signs in French or German?

    Just asking.

    It’s the opposite of what you probably think. You wear a mask to avoid spreading disease to others, the same reason surgeons wear them.

    • Replies: @Logan
    Actually, masks can protect you from the environment and the people around you and/or protect the environment and people in the vicinity from you.

    There are specialty masks that can do either very effectively. For instance, when moving Ebola patients.
  104. @Ron Unz
    Well, as I've been telling people for years, the easiest means of very quickly growing the American economy is to "Merge with Mexico."

    The moment the legal documents are signed, our GDP will increase by 5% or whatever, while giving us a big boost in our population and lowering our median age.

    Actually, legally merging with India would be even better, increasing our GDP by an even larger amount and instantaneously raising the total American population to well over 1.5 billion. Take that, nasty old China!!!

    But for US population growth in the long run, absolutely nothing can beat legally merging with all of Sub-Saharan Africa. And anyone who opposes the idea can be arrested by Elizabeth Warren as an self-revealed White Nationalist...

    That’s it!! Merge with Mejico!

    That’ll solve the threatened avocado shortage.

  105. I have seen what the open borders responses are to the issues of the effects of mass immigration on the environment (such as global warming) and suburban sprawl.

    The “proof” that mass immigration doesn’t cause suburban sprawl is that immigrants tend to move to crowded cities. To be fair, Hispanic immigrants turned the South Bronx from a burned out war zone to a thriving neighborhood.

    There are two flaws:
    1. The children of immigrants, or even immigrants themselves when they have made it big, often move to the burbs. That is not their first port of call, so it doesn’t count.
    2. Overcrowding in cities tends to push American born citizens out of the city. Which causes suburban sprawl.

    As to the problems with mass immigration and the environment. Recall that an immigrant from a third world country will have many times the carbon footprint she had back home.

    The responses I’ve gotten:

    1. It is immoral to fight global warming by impoveshing people. Supposedly the right of prospective immigrants who want to live the good life is more important than our petty desire not to see major cities under water.

    2. “Environmental concern knows no boundaries”. I can’t quite figure that one out. Good bumper sticker slogan. I guess it means that all these virtuous immigrants will find a way not to increase their carbon footprint. Not sure why my immigrant wife drives an 8-seat SUV.
    3 Give me your tired…

  106. Immigration is the FS to the WQ.

  107. @Ron Unz
    Well, as I've been telling people for years, the easiest means of very quickly growing the American economy is to "Merge with Mexico."

    The moment the legal documents are signed, our GDP will increase by 5% or whatever, while giving us a big boost in our population and lowering our median age.

    Actually, legally merging with India would be even better, increasing our GDP by an even larger amount and instantaneously raising the total American population to well over 1.5 billion. Take that, nasty old China!!!

    But for US population growth in the long run, absolutely nothing can beat legally merging with all of Sub-Saharan Africa. And anyone who opposes the idea can be arrested by Elizabeth Warren as an self-revealed White Nationalist...

    Exponential function of fixed rate of increase uber alles!

    Money is debt! Debt is our god! More bodies and products to feed to the Debt God!

  108. @216
    Social peace has been bought on the promise of old age pensions.

    Those pensions are pyramid schemes. They cannot function without people paying in, there is no actual savings, just a disguised wealth transfer/vote buying.

    At best, they can kick the can by raising retirement to age 70, and incentivizing some people to work even beyond that.

    Mass immigration never procedes at the level enough to restore a dependency ratio found in the middle of the 20th century, so it isn't really the solution some think it is, unless we admitted 10 mln+ per annum.

    Perhaps investing money into the Third World via sovereign wealth funds could capture some of the theoretical "convergence gains" and kick the pension can a bit farther.

    Those pensions are pyramid schemes. They cannot function without people paying in, there is no actual savings, just a disguised wealth transfer/vote buying.

    Gate to break it to you, Chamber of Commerce boi, but this is the entire frikkin monetary system.

    Not just “pensions.” Which is to say the older white people who saved and whose money you lust after liquidating.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    but this is the entire frikkin monetary system.
     
    Please sketch out the mechanism.
  109. @Ron Unz
    Well, as I've been telling people for years, the easiest means of very quickly growing the American economy is to "Merge with Mexico."

    The moment the legal documents are signed, our GDP will increase by 5% or whatever, while giving us a big boost in our population and lowering our median age.

    Actually, legally merging with India would be even better, increasing our GDP by an even larger amount and instantaneously raising the total American population to well over 1.5 billion. Take that, nasty old China!!!

    But for US population growth in the long run, absolutely nothing can beat legally merging with all of Sub-Saharan Africa. And anyone who opposes the idea can be arrested by Elizabeth Warren as an self-revealed White Nationalist...

    Annexing Mexico would increase our GDP from 19.39T to 20.54T. So your 5% is remarkably close!

  110. @Jack D
    It's the opposite of what you probably think. You wear a mask to avoid spreading disease to others, the same reason surgeons wear them.

    Actually, masks can protect you from the environment and the people around you and/or protect the environment and people in the vicinity from you.

    There are specialty masks that can do either very effectively. For instance, when moving Ebola patients.

  111. “Many younger workers move to bustling urban centers on the coasts, leaving smaller cities and rural areas behind”

    Because there’s no fucking jobs there you fucking dolt. WTF is this asshole rambling about? Just drive thru the Midwest dumb fuck and it looks like a bomb went off with millions of abandoned factories along with empty mom and pop stores.

    God damn is this shit getting old.

  112. @anon

    Canada will grow from 35 million people to 100 million by the end of the century.

     

    i saw that this was posted in some Canadian newspaper a year or two ago and the question all Canadians should be asking is "who decided this?"

    Surely the plan for America is to grow from 350 million to… one billion people by 2100.
     
    think about all the huge companies like Pepsi, Coca-Cola, Home Depot, Walmart, McDonalds etc that would love to see the US population at 1 billion....or more, why stop there?

    and listen to the silence of the so-called Environmentalist groups

    I remember reading Paul Ehrlich’s book The Population Bomb in the late Sixties. It started the Environmental Movement that insisted on immediate population control.

    Ehrlich starts the book by describing a cab ride that he and his family experienced in Delhi. In the “ancient taxi,” its seats “hopping with fleas,” the Ehr­lichs entered “a crowded slum area.”

    The streets seemed alive with people. People eating, people washing, people sleeping. People visiting, arguing, and screaming. People thrust their hands through the taxi window, begging. People defecating and urinating. People clinging to buses. People herding animals. People, people, people, people. . . . [S]ince that night, I’ve known the feel of overpopulation.

    A vision of America to come? Apparently we are not free to dispute it.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Funny that he is so ignorant and blind. That's the same India that Flashman would recognize, its cities have always teemed; there are also parts of India that are empty despite massive growth since then. And he's not looking at a reasonable proxy for Ice People, he's looking a people whose religion literally worships life itself, from horrifying deformed people to plague rats, and forbids forms of slaughter we take for granted (unless it's a girl). He saw a teeming Indian intersection and was good liberal enough to skip over the easier, baser observations, straight on to "white people must have less children."
    I remember the mixture of amusement and disappointment running across the essay Isaac Asimov inevitably churned out back when everybody believed Ehrlich, and highly intelligent people honestly thought we would not make it to 1994. I don't remember any especially funny articles of faith from the famous militant atheist, but it was very unusual to hear that tone from him. Also instructive in the danger of the collegized mind: phrase an idiotic proposal the right way, assure people that the consensus of the experts are behind it, and people will trip over themselves to demand it.
    Ehrlich had a public bet with an economist that a market basket-like set of critical resources would run out (the economist said they either would not because new reserves would be found, or they would be replaced, or made obsolete). He lost badly and that was the dropping-off point of his credibility.
  113. @SFG
    Nah, eventually we'll get our asses kicked by China abroad and have to retrench.

    The USA is going to look like Brazil if anything--huge slums, mix of peoples, corrupt leftists alternating with right-wing populists who don't do anything.

    The bit about right-wing Latin American death squads is quite prescient--I wouldn't be too surprised if the rightier Hispanics get attracted to the Republican party. There was actually a prison gang called the 'Nazi Low Riders'.

    I predict the Republican Party will become much more comfortable with bling, showmanship and thuggishness in order to thrive in a more vibrant America. Cesar Sayoc — the half-Filipino male stripper who lived in a van plastered with Trump fan art and sent out mail bombs — is typical of the kind of people the GOP will need to win over in the future America.

    Trump gets that. He gets that he can’t turn his nose up at the Chinese lady who runs a chain of “happy endings” massage parlours. It’s only the Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan types who think they can have Eisenhower’s GOP without Eisenhower’s America.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    I predict the Republican Party will become much more comfortable with bling, showmanship and thuggishness in order to thrive in a more vibrant America
     
    Malleability on non-essentials. Rigidity on the essentials. You have taken Trumps success too far, cf. Milo Yiannopoulos.
  114. Let me be perfectly clear.

    When my stenographers, er, when the newspaper of record says

    Slower growth in the working-age population is a problem in much of the country. Could targeted immigration policy help solve it?

    then I say let’s target those people in flyover country who bitterly cling to their religion and their guns.

    And I do not mean followers of The Religion of Peace who are bitter and cling to their religion, their AK-47s and their bomb vests.

    That is Who We Are, because we bring in more enriching vibrant diversity every year. Every year! It never slows down! My transformation of America succeeds beyond my wildest dreams. It is like I am still in office. Even the orange man with the trophy wife can’t slow it down. I would have a Beer Summit with orange man except he doesn’t drink. As former leader of the Choom Gang, I could steer him to a newly legal alternative.

    Back to what matters. My legacy.
    You see, my former Secretary of State Clinton has the ear of Jared. Who has Ivanka. Who has orange man wrapped around her pinkie.

    I’m all for family values, especially in the form of orange man’s nepotism that continues my agenda for the transformation of America!

    I did not need Mueller to nullify the 2016 election. Jared and Ivanka are doing that for me.
    And it is all about me.

  115. @istevefan

    grappling with Japanese-caliber demographic decline
     
    Japan doesn't appear to be doing that poorly. And one thing I find interesting is that, though Japan and other NE Asians are not shy about adopting Western tech and certain cultural features, they seem to have decided to take a pass on the whole mass immigration and diversity thing which we have been telling them for years is the secret to our strength.

    That should tell you something. They've observed it from afar, and want nothing to do with it. I wonder if their strong opposition has been stoked by their experiences as tourists. Given how many NE Asians visit Paris and other similar places, they must all have horror stories about what the hell happened to the Europeans/Americans. I think the NZ shooter even said he got radicalized when he visited France, and found that it was even worse than the wingnuts on the web had reported.

    PM Abe is pro-Invade/Invite. There is some inertial reluctance about immigration, but Japan recently picked an ugly half-black as its Miss Universe winner. If you understand Japanese society, you get the message: “people at the top want the masses to accept miscegenation.” It’s a precursor to opening up immigration. Unfortunately, many Japanese accept the idea that the USA is a model multicultural paradise where all people live in harmony and contribute to some awesome fusion culture. To mix metaphors, the frog in the well is getting boiled slowly.

  116. > by 2037, two-thirds of American counties will have fewer adults of prime working age than they did in 1997, despite overall population growth in that period. (Their projections tried to take into account undocumented immigrants.)

    That’s so nice that they tried to take illegal immigrants into account. How’d they do it — did they count ’em? All 11 million? Or is that 18 million, or 25 million?

    Anyway, however high and however unknown the number is, hair of the dog that bit you is the answer. More immigration, to push wages down by filling the jobs that automation is eliminating. Yeah, that’s the ticket.

    • Replies: @anon

    More immigration, to push wages down by filling the jobs that automation is eliminating. Yeah, that’s the ticket.
     
    wages down or stagnant and rents are thru the roof where i'm at

    this certainly doesn't benefit the average American
  117. @Anon7
    I remember reading Paul Ehrlich’s book The Population Bomb in the late Sixties. It started the Environmental Movement that insisted on immediate population control.

    Ehrlich starts the book by describing a cab ride that he and his family experienced in Delhi. In the “ancient taxi,” its seats “hopping with fleas,” the Ehr­lichs entered “a crowded slum area.”

    The streets seemed alive with people. People eating, people washing, people sleeping. People visiting, arguing, and screaming. People thrust their hands through the taxi window, begging. People defecating and urinating. People clinging to buses. People herding animals. People, people, people, people. . . . [S]ince that night, I’ve known the feel of overpopulation.
     
    A vision of America to come? Apparently we are not free to dispute it.

    Funny that he is so ignorant and blind. That’s the same India that Flashman would recognize, its cities have always teemed; there are also parts of India that are empty despite massive growth since then. And he’s not looking at a reasonable proxy for Ice People, he’s looking a people whose religion literally worships life itself, from horrifying deformed people to plague rats, and forbids forms of slaughter we take for granted (unless it’s a girl). He saw a teeming Indian intersection and was good liberal enough to skip over the easier, baser observations, straight on to “white people must have less children.”
    I remember the mixture of amusement and disappointment running across the essay Isaac Asimov inevitably churned out back when everybody believed Ehrlich, and highly intelligent people honestly thought we would not make it to 1994. I don’t remember any especially funny articles of faith from the famous militant atheist, but it was very unusual to hear that tone from him. Also instructive in the danger of the collegized mind: phrase an idiotic proposal the right way, assure people that the consensus of the experts are behind it, and people will trip over themselves to demand it.
    Ehrlich had a public bet with an economist that a market basket-like set of critical resources would run out (the economist said they either would not because new reserves would be found, or they would be replaced, or made obsolete). He lost badly and that was the dropping-off point of his credibility.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Julian Simon.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson

    instructive in the danger of the collegized mind: phrase an idiotic proposal the right way, assure people that the consensus of the experts are behind it, and people will trip over themselves to demand it.
     
    True.
  118. @anonymous
    Interesting

    I am always amazed by the lack of self awareness these protesters possess. How do they feel about Korean immigration to the US?

    I remember a similar event in Poland last year. Polish nationalists were violently protesting the arrival of "Shitistan" immigrants to their country. Yet as I pointed out, large numbers of Poles have immigrated to the UK and stirred similar fillings in the local populace there.

    https://www.huckmag.com/perspectives/sklep-stories-learned-brexit-afternoon-polish-deli/

    Yet as I pointed out,

    How can you have a problem with getting cancer, when other people have gotten cancer? [Tapping Eddie Murphy’s right temple.] Answer me that if you can, with your science, you hypocrite!

  119. @Paul
    The idea that slower population growth is a problem is just another hoax. With per capita economic growth that rises a typical amount, a bigger elderly population is easily affordable. And a smaller population means lower prices for such resources as real estate -- a good thing.

    That is also why the notion that Social Security benefits must be cut is also phony.

    The idea that slower population growth is a problem is just another hoax.

    True.

    • Replies: @anon

    True
     
    actually not true if you're say a rootless cosmopolitan and all you care about is GDP
  120. @Cagey Beast
    The end result of current immigration policies will be an America with its current imperial pretentions and a military drawn predominately from Latin American death squad cultures. These vets will then return home to join the police force. Oh well, as long as the US is the sole superpower abroad and the biggest purchaser of Chinese goods at home.

    a military drawn predominately from Latin American death squad cultures. These vets will then return home to join the police force.

    Nope. Not unless they get our guns from us.

    No one has enslaved a well-armed population. And we are an exceptionally well-armed population.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    That assumes the ruling class will want to enslave you, rather than allow you to exist in a feral state somewhere beyond their Green Zones. No matter how well armed the American public is, the government will always be able to impose overwhelming firepower where and when it wishes. "Live free or die" is actually an acceptable social contract for those living at the top of the pyramid.
    , @Peacelover
    Divorce rules say that men are an enslaved population.
  121. @ic1000
    > by 2037, two-thirds of American counties will have fewer adults of prime working age than they did in 1997, despite overall population growth in that period. (Their projections tried to take into account undocumented immigrants.)

    That's so nice that they tried to take illegal immigrants into account. How'd they do it -- did they count 'em? All 11 million? Or is that 18 million, or 25 million?

    Anyway, however high and however unknown the number is, hair of the dog that bit you is the answer. More immigration, to push wages down by filling the jobs that automation is eliminating. Yeah, that's the ticket.

    More immigration, to push wages down by filling the jobs that automation is eliminating. Yeah, that’s the ticket.

    wages down or stagnant and rents are thru the roof where i’m at

    this certainly doesn’t benefit the average American

  122. Anonymous[163] • Disclaimer says:
    @Flip
    I used to work with a Chinese born Amerian and he said America was making a big mistake by taking in so many non-European immigrants and that everyone would be fighting with each other down the road.

    I used to work with a Chinese born Amerian and he said America was making a big mistake by taking in so many non-European immigrants

    What was his argument for why?

  123. Anonymous[163] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    by (((neil irwin)))

    Isn’t Irwin an English name?

  124. Anonymous[163] • Disclaimer says:
    @Robert Dolan
    Mass immigration has nothing to do with the economy.

    Massive immigration is for race replacement.

    The goal is to disempower white people forever.

    The goal is the ethnic cleansing of white people and it's happening in every
    white country on earth.

    Third world immigrants do not contribute to the economy. Third world immigrants are
    unskilled and fully 90% of them wind up taking some form of government benefits.

    The goal is white genocide, the socially engineered destruction of white people WORLDWIDE.
    The fact that it's happening at the same time in every white country is proof that it's DELIBERATE.

    Mass immigration has nothing to do with the economy.

    Massive immigration is for race replacement.

    The goal is to disempower white people forever.

    This.

  125. Anonymous[163] • Disclaimer says:
    @Olorin

    Those pensions are pyramid schemes. They cannot function without people paying in, there is no actual savings, just a disguised wealth transfer/vote buying.
     
    Gate to break it to you, Chamber of Commerce boi, but this is the entire frikkin monetary system.

    Not just "pensions." Which is to say the older white people who saved and whose money you lust after liquidating.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cu4EjEHTGyE

    but this is the entire frikkin monetary system.

    Please sketch out the mechanism.

  126. @Charles Erwin Wilson

    a military drawn predominately from Latin American death squad cultures. These vets will then return home to join the police force.
     
    Nope. Not unless they get our guns from us.

    No one has enslaved a well-armed population. And we are an exceptionally well-armed population.

    That assumes the ruling class will want to enslave you, rather than allow you to exist in a feral state somewhere beyond their Green Zones. No matter how well armed the American public is, the government will always be able to impose overwhelming firepower where and when it wishes. “Live free or die” is actually an acceptable social contract for those living at the top of the pyramid.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    OTOH, a Civil War means the civilian population gets to choose the targets. All the helos and drones and armored vehicles will pale in the face of what the civilians can generate in terms of enemy contacts. The government will have to choose where to concentrate its assets, whereas a single militiaman with an assault rifle can control a considerable piece of real estate. All it takes is a little training. In the USA, rudimentary training via Project Appleseed can give a citizen with a semi-automatic rifle the combat capabilities of soldier. Every law-abiding citizen needs an AR-15 or equivalent weapon.

    "What has been overlooked in the debate over the combat potential of violent extremists is the diffusion of something much more rudimentary and potentially more lethal: basic infantry skills. These include coordinated small-team tactical maneuvers supported by elementary marksmanship. The diffusion of such tactics seems to be underway, and it may generate serious concerns for U.S. security policy in the future if ignored."

    https://warontherocks.com/2018/02/shock-of-the-mundane-the-dangerous-diffusion-of-basic-infantry-tactics/

    https://appleseedinfo.org/
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCU8lei7s2g
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson

    No matter how well armed the American public is, the government will always be able to impose overwhelming firepower where and when it wishes. “Live free or die” is actually an acceptable social contract for those living at the top of the pyramid.
     
    You forget how much of the firepower is wielded by our people. They will not turn on us, because they are us.

    The top ranks are not us, but those that would have to implement the policy are us.

    And they are not traitors.
  127. @Charles Erwin Wilson

    The idea that slower population growth is a problem is just another hoax.
     
    True.

    True

    actually not true if you’re say a rootless cosmopolitan and all you care about is GDP

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    actually not true if you’re say a rootless cosmopolitan and all you care about is GDP
     
    That care extents only so far as the assertion is abstract. Once concrete, the assertion I affirm is true.

    And it is true absolutely.
  128. @J.Ross
    Funny that he is so ignorant and blind. That's the same India that Flashman would recognize, its cities have always teemed; there are also parts of India that are empty despite massive growth since then. And he's not looking at a reasonable proxy for Ice People, he's looking a people whose religion literally worships life itself, from horrifying deformed people to plague rats, and forbids forms of slaughter we take for granted (unless it's a girl). He saw a teeming Indian intersection and was good liberal enough to skip over the easier, baser observations, straight on to "white people must have less children."
    I remember the mixture of amusement and disappointment running across the essay Isaac Asimov inevitably churned out back when everybody believed Ehrlich, and highly intelligent people honestly thought we would not make it to 1994. I don't remember any especially funny articles of faith from the famous militant atheist, but it was very unusual to hear that tone from him. Also instructive in the danger of the collegized mind: phrase an idiotic proposal the right way, assure people that the consensus of the experts are behind it, and people will trip over themselves to demand it.
    Ehrlich had a public bet with an economist that a market basket-like set of critical resources would run out (the economist said they either would not because new reserves would be found, or they would be replaced, or made obsolete). He lost badly and that was the dropping-off point of his credibility.

    Julian Simon.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Thanks.
  129. @Kat Grey
    Massive Third World immigration only leads to a demographic shift of seismic proportions eventually resulting in the First World nations becoming facsimiles of the Third World villages from which the immigrants quitted albeit with taller and sturdier buildings. Until they fall into disrepair and ruin...then a frantic search for Whitey to fix the problem except....

    We know what will happen…you just have to look at Detroit today and projected it to the rest of the country

  130. @Charles Erwin Wilson

    a military drawn predominately from Latin American death squad cultures. These vets will then return home to join the police force.
     
    Nope. Not unless they get our guns from us.

    No one has enslaved a well-armed population. And we are an exceptionally well-armed population.

    Divorce rules say that men are an enslaved population.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Divorce rules say that men are an enslaved population.
     
    Enslaved? No. Persecuted, marginalized and abused, yes.

    If you are correct about divorce rules, then divorce rules are wrong.
  131. Anonymous [AKA "RiffedRaffed"] says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Will the economist in the room who can figure out how to live well without having to always grow and add more people please stand up?

    This paradigm that you must grow or die is insane. The reductio ad absurdum is that we must grow our population ad infinitum, until our descendants totally fill every livable space and consume every available resource. Is this the inescapable cycle of human life? Are we as dumb as weeds?

    Some things are worth the pain. Preserving a clean, open living space and a healthy, functioning culture is worth paying more for stuff and paying the working people who do stuff -- and living with less stuff from time to time.

    Nonstop population growth is insane.

    “Will the economist in the room who can figure out how to live well without having to always grow and add more people please stand up?”

    The economystic is blind to this. All that matters is the constant upward trend in GDP. There are no other values worth considering apart from aggregate growth.

    To quote the late Lawrence Auster:

    The deeper problem with economism is that no true values, including the values of a distinct political system, culture and way of life, can be comprehended in economic or utilitarian terms. Solely on the basis of measurable, quantifiable, pragmatic facts it is impossible to preserve any society or institution, even so basic an institution as the nuclear family.

    Suppose there were two families, the Smiths and the Joneses, living next door to each other. The two families get along, the children play together, the parents occasionally socialize with each other. Then one day the Joneses announce that they want to move in permanently with the Smiths. When the Smiths seem less than enthusiastic about this proposal, the Joneses say: “What’s your problem? You have enough room, your house is bigger than ours, and we get along together. Besides, the nuclear family is only a modern invention. A dual family will enrich all of us.” To back up these claims, the Joneses bring in an economist who says that two-family households have larger aggregate wealth than one-family households. They bring in a sociologist who cites studies showing that the children raised in two-family households have superior abilities in adjusting to different types of people in a diverse society. Faced with this aggressive challenge to their existence as a family, what can the Smiths say? Their family, as a unique, autonomous association, is an intrinsic, irreplaceable value to its members. It cannot be defended on the basis of quantifiable facts. In the same way, the nation is a family whose distinct character and values cannot be defended on a purely rationalistic basis. To say that it must do so in order to have the right to exist, is to deny its right to exist.

    Even though it was published over 20 years ago, Auster’s Huddled Clichés is a must-read and still relevant. The discredited, often moronic arguments of the open-borders brigade haven’t changed. They’ve only got louder and permeated the thinking of the elite.

  132. @Cagey Beast
    That assumes the ruling class will want to enslave you, rather than allow you to exist in a feral state somewhere beyond their Green Zones. No matter how well armed the American public is, the government will always be able to impose overwhelming firepower where and when it wishes. "Live free or die" is actually an acceptable social contract for those living at the top of the pyramid.

    OTOH, a Civil War means the civilian population gets to choose the targets. All the helos and drones and armored vehicles will pale in the face of what the civilians can generate in terms of enemy contacts. The government will have to choose where to concentrate its assets, whereas a single militiaman with an assault rifle can control a considerable piece of real estate. All it takes is a little training. In the USA, rudimentary training via Project Appleseed can give a citizen with a semi-automatic rifle the combat capabilities of soldier. Every law-abiding citizen needs an AR-15 or equivalent weapon.

    “What has been overlooked in the debate over the combat potential of violent extremists is the diffusion of something much more rudimentary and potentially more lethal: basic infantry skills. These include coordinated small-team tactical maneuvers supported by elementary marksmanship. The diffusion of such tactics seems to be underway, and it may generate serious concerns for U.S. security policy in the future if ignored.”

    https://warontherocks.com/2018/02/shock-of-the-mundane-the-dangerous-diffusion-of-basic-infantry-tactics/

    https://appleseedinfo.org/

  133. @Cagey Beast
    I predict the Republican Party will become much more comfortable with bling, showmanship and thuggishness in order to thrive in a more vibrant America. Cesar Sayoc -- the half-Filipino male stripper who lived in a van plastered with Trump fan art and sent out mail bombs -- is typical of the kind of people the GOP will need to win over in the future America.

    Trump gets that. He gets that he can't turn his nose up at the Chinese lady who runs a chain of "happy endings" massage parlours. It's only the Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan types who think they can have Eisenhower's GOP without Eisenhower's America.

    I predict the Republican Party will become much more comfortable with bling, showmanship and thuggishness in order to thrive in a more vibrant America

    Malleability on non-essentials. Rigidity on the essentials. You have taken Trumps success too far, cf. Milo Yiannopoulos.

  134. @J.Ross
    Funny that he is so ignorant and blind. That's the same India that Flashman would recognize, its cities have always teemed; there are also parts of India that are empty despite massive growth since then. And he's not looking at a reasonable proxy for Ice People, he's looking a people whose religion literally worships life itself, from horrifying deformed people to plague rats, and forbids forms of slaughter we take for granted (unless it's a girl). He saw a teeming Indian intersection and was good liberal enough to skip over the easier, baser observations, straight on to "white people must have less children."
    I remember the mixture of amusement and disappointment running across the essay Isaac Asimov inevitably churned out back when everybody believed Ehrlich, and highly intelligent people honestly thought we would not make it to 1994. I don't remember any especially funny articles of faith from the famous militant atheist, but it was very unusual to hear that tone from him. Also instructive in the danger of the collegized mind: phrase an idiotic proposal the right way, assure people that the consensus of the experts are behind it, and people will trip over themselves to demand it.
    Ehrlich had a public bet with an economist that a market basket-like set of critical resources would run out (the economist said they either would not because new reserves would be found, or they would be replaced, or made obsolete). He lost badly and that was the dropping-off point of his credibility.

    instructive in the danger of the collegized mind: phrase an idiotic proposal the right way, assure people that the consensus of the experts are behind it, and people will trip over themselves to demand it.

    True.

  135. @Cagey Beast
    That assumes the ruling class will want to enslave you, rather than allow you to exist in a feral state somewhere beyond their Green Zones. No matter how well armed the American public is, the government will always be able to impose overwhelming firepower where and when it wishes. "Live free or die" is actually an acceptable social contract for those living at the top of the pyramid.

    No matter how well armed the American public is, the government will always be able to impose overwhelming firepower where and when it wishes. “Live free or die” is actually an acceptable social contract for those living at the top of the pyramid.

    You forget how much of the firepower is wielded by our people. They will not turn on us, because they are us.

    The top ranks are not us, but those that would have to implement the policy are us.

    And they are not traitors.

  136. @anon

    True
     
    actually not true if you're say a rootless cosmopolitan and all you care about is GDP

    actually not true if you’re say a rootless cosmopolitan and all you care about is GDP

    That care extents only so far as the assertion is abstract. Once concrete, the assertion I affirm is true.

    And it is true absolutely.

  137. @Peacelover
    Divorce rules say that men are an enslaved population.

    Divorce rules say that men are an enslaved population.

    Enslaved? No. Persecuted, marginalized and abused, yes.

    If you are correct about divorce rules, then divorce rules are wrong.

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