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From the L.A. Times:

Claiming to be Cherokee, contractors with white ancestry got $300 million

By ADAM ELMAHREK and PAUL PRINGLE
JUN 26, 2019 | 4:00 AM
| ST. LOUIS, MO.

Contractors with white ancestry were awarded hundreds of millions of dollars in government contracts reserved for minorities by making unsubstantiated claims to being Native American, a Times investigation found. To qualify for the minority contracting programs, they used membership in unrecognized Cherokee groups that federally recognized tribes and Native American experts consider illegitimate.

Two years ago, when the mayor’s office in St. Louis announced a $311,000 contract to tear down an old shoe factory, it made a point of identifying the demolition company as minority owned.

That was welcome news. The Missouri city was still grappling with racial tensions from the 2014 fatal police shooting of Michael Brown, a black 18-year-old, in nearby Ferguson. After angry protests, elected officials had pledged to set aside more government work for minority-owned firms.

Bill Buell, the owner of Premier Demolition Inc., has no verifiable claim to being a member of a minority group. His ancestors are identified as white in census and other government records. And his claim to being a Native American rests on his membership in a self-described Cherokee group that is not recognized as a legitimate tribe.

The case highlights a major failure in the nation’s efforts to help disadvantaged Americans by steering municipal, state and federal contracts to qualified minority-owned companies. In many instances, government agencies have not vetted those companies to protect the interests of taxpayers and legitimate minority contractors.

We must stop giving affirmative action government contracts to fake Indians and only give racial preferences to the people Martin Luther King fought for: real Indians from Mumbai.

 
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  1. Regarding the hackneyed Michael Brown insertion, with its Soviet declaration of the unspoken sentiments of the People: who could have foreseen that fraud would beget fraud?

  2. real Indians from Mumbai, the way Martin Luther King wanted.

    Dot Indians are much more luminous than our Feather Indians – and we owe then America because British Empire, no?

  3. Hail says: • Website

    Contractors with white ancestry

    Is it not true that all Amerindians today have at least some White ancestry? Are there any that clock-in at 100.0% Amerindian 0.0% European? If so, I’d be shocked (outside Alaska Natives). All ‘Amerindian’ contractors could thus be described with that sentence.

    they used membership in unrecognized Cherokee groups that federally recognized tribes and Native American experts consider illegitimate

    What is a Native American expert? What is ‘illegitimate’?

    A lot of weasel-language in this article.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Hail

    Not in this case, it's accepted (and fair) that the tribe determines its own membership (different nations have different criteria), and Cherokees, being early adopters of writing, are known to have highly organized and clear standards.

    Replies: @Hail, @Anonymous

    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    @Hail

    "What is a Native American expert?"

    To qualify, first you have to be Jewish.

    Replies: @Hail

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Hail

    I've argued here before à propos Elizabeth Warren, that being in a federally recognized tribe is the bright line that makes one a legal Indian, irrespective of blood. As an Oklahoma-born legal expert Harvard Law professor, Warren should recognize this. Yet she continues to promote herself as "Indian" based on a vanishingly thin blood quantum. So if I were Bill Buell, my defense would be that I'll stop being an Indian when the Senator from Massachusetts does.

    Replies: @Moses, @Hail, @Anonymous

    , @A Texas Reader
    @Hail

    Yes, there are plenty of Amerindians left in remote places such as the Four Corners area. Think Hopi, Zuni and Navajo reservations.

    A friend and colleague is a native of New Mexico.

    He in turn has a childhood friend who is a New Mexico state trooper. The trooper has to go the reservations in northern New Mexico to pick up the pieces when the tribal police bail the scene of domestic disputes. Such disputes are pretty routine thanks to freely available alcohol. These reservations are where you will find the real Indians. https://www.kvia.com/news/new-mexico/albuquerque-man-arrested-in-decapitation-of-native-american-woman/1085754397

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Achmed E. Newman

  4. Hail says: • Website

    Why hardly any mention of a 23andMe-like genetic test in this kind of article? All I find is this, crammed deep in the middle of the article, an afterthought:

    McKinnis said…an uncle’s DNA test proved the family was Native American. He declined to provide the result to The Times.

    Le’t say he did get a low-% Amerindian result (say, 3%) on his 23andMe. Many would still reject him as ‘not’ Amerindian, given that this is now, by merit of being in the media, a racially-politicized story. Logically inescapable, though, if it is bothered to be pursued, is that there must be some ‘racial cutoff point’ — an “is an Indian”/”is not an Indian” %-threshold. The law (if we live in a system of legally mandated racial favoritism, which we do), in principle, demands precision, not vagueness.

    The article writers here are understandably scared of this, because it implies a (hypothetical) system of top-down, organized racial favoritism that is so mathematically precise as to be disturbing, if viewed head-on. (“Mr. Jones is not an Indian because he scores only 9.5% Amerindian; Mr Smith is an Indian because he scores 14.5%). They don’t want to deal with this. Big talkers on race-favoritism in fair weather but cowards when the chips are down, to mix metaphors.

    As of the 2020s, this kind of system could easily go into place (i.e., scientific racial favoritism), given increasingly cheap and reliable 23andMe-like genetic racial testing. But to define this kind of racial favoritism explicitly makes it appear bizarre, eerie, and something like dystopian.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @Hail


    They don’t want to deal with this. Big talkers on race-favoritism in fair weather but cowards when the chips are down, to mix metaphors.
     
    SJW speak with forked tongue and make heap big hypocrisy.
    , @Whiskey
    @Hail

    Elizabeth Warren is 1/1024 th Indian. So the guy is Indian.

    But yes eventually people will be too White to be employed. Later to be suffered to live.

    , @Anonymous
    @Hail


    it implies a (hypothetical) system of top-down, organized racial favoritism that is so mathematically precise as to be disturbing, if viewed head-on.
     
    What is disturbing about it?
  5. By ADAM ELMAHREK

    Is it just me, or do the names of big newspaper authors in recent years start to sound like Lovecraft aliens?

    Like one day, I expect to see “By Willard Yog-Sothoth”. Just to see if we’re paying attention.

    David Letterman’s “NY Times writer or Cthulhu diety”:

    Eihort
    Elmahrek
    Ei’lor
    Etepsed

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    That would explain a lot, except the Great Old Ones are worthy of respect

  6. I heard Ramalamadingdong Unlikelychopasossidgeman declare, on daytime radio (BBC Radio 5, you know the one I mean) in high dudgeon, that he was English ((!)). hOW VERY DARE THE rAYCISS COMPLAIN!11!!

    Despite his relentless promotion of anyone not (a) Ceylonese (b) Desi (c) BlaaaaaaaaaaaaaacK on his spot. A few White poz-merchants get in now and then.

    The twat is apparently sincere in this delusion. On the grounds that his gibs-seeking parents arrived on a boat from somewhere or other, some years after I was born.
    OK then I’m a Russian. Or a Chinaman. Or a Cow, or a Turnip.
    I await my DNA tests with impatience.

  7. The State of Ohio recognized dot Indians as eligible for minority contractor status during the governorship of George Voinovich, a Republican.

  8. We must stop giving affirmative action government contracts to fake Indians and only give it to real Indians from Mumbai, the way Martin Luther King wanted.

    Classic!

  9. @Hail

    Contractors with white ancestry
     
    Is it not true that all Amerindians today have at least some White ancestry? Are there any that clock-in at 100.0% Amerindian 0.0% European? If so, I'd be shocked (outside Alaska Natives). All 'Amerindian' contractors could thus be described with that sentence.

    they used membership in unrecognized Cherokee groups that federally recognized tribes and Native American experts consider illegitimate
     
    What is a Native American expert? What is 'illegitimate'?

    A lot of weasel-language in this article.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @MikeatMikedotMike, @Almost Missouri, @A Texas Reader

    Not in this case, it’s accepted (and fair) that the tribe determines its own membership (different nations have different criteria), and Cherokees, being early adopters of writing, are known to have highly organized and clear standards.

    • Replies: @Hail
    @J.Ross


    the tribe determines its own membership
     
    Racial discrimination?
    , @Anonymous
    @J.Ross


    Not in this case, it’s accepted (and fair) that the tribe determines its own membership (different nations have different criteria)
     
    Perhaps it is true that a private club should be able to determine its own membership. However, a private club should not given power to determine what race someone is or who receives or is excluded from government benefits.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  10. @Hail
    Why hardly any mention of a 23andMe-like genetic test in this kind of article? All I find is this, crammed deep in the middle of the article, an afterthought:

    McKinnis said...an uncle’s DNA test proved the family was Native American. He declined to provide the result to The Times.
     
    Le't say he did get a low-% Amerindian result (say, 3%) on his 23andMe. Many would still reject him as 'not' Amerindian, given that this is now, by merit of being in the media, a racially-politicized story. Logically inescapable, though, if it is bothered to be pursued, is that there must be some 'racial cutoff point' -- an "is an Indian"/"is not an Indian" %-threshold. The law (if we live in a system of legally mandated racial favoritism, which we do), in principle, demands precision, not vagueness.

    The article writers here are understandably scared of this, because it implies a (hypothetical) system of top-down, organized racial favoritism that is so mathematically precise as to be disturbing, if viewed head-on. ("Mr. Jones is not an Indian because he scores only 9.5% Amerindian; Mr Smith is an Indian because he scores 14.5%). They don't want to deal with this. Big talkers on race-favoritism in fair weather but cowards when the chips are down, to mix metaphors.

    As of the 2020s, this kind of system could easily go into place (i.e., scientific racial favoritism), given increasingly cheap and reliable 23andMe-like genetic racial testing. But to define this kind of racial favoritism explicitly makes it appear bizarre, eerie, and something like dystopian.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Whiskey, @Anonymous

    They don’t want to deal with this. Big talkers on race-favoritism in fair weather but cowards when the chips are down, to mix metaphors.

    SJW speak with forked tongue and make heap big hypocrisy.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  11. First they came for fake Indian Elizabeth Warren…and I said nothing, because I wasn’t a preachy, liberal, commie lawyer/politician.

    Then they came for the fake Indian Missouri Demolition guys…and I said nothing, because I wasn’t a crooked contractor looking to enrich myself on the public teat.

    Then they came for fake Indian iSteve commenters….

  12. Oh, yeah! 23andMe showdown between Bill Buell and E. Warren!

    Dueling genetics:

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @J1234

    Who's pickin' the banjo round hyeah?

  13. NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS

    THE HISTORIC NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN WORKING CLASS MAJORITY

    Hindu “Americans” are Foreigners…..

    Got it?

  14. Anon[152] • Disclaimer says:

    In the case of Native Americans the line may be that you have to be an enrolled member of a tribe, per BIA standards.

    But for blacks, there is no such gatekeeper. In fact, Shaun King can be considered black.

    One suggested standard that has been used has been “acceptance by the black community,” which means, I guess, that you get a black church preacher to write a recommendation letter if anyone complains.

    This is starting to happen:

    Man claims to be a minority business owner after DNA test shows he’s 4% African
    https://nypost.com/2018/09/25/man-claims-to-be-a-minority-business-owner-after-dna-test-shows-hes-4-african/

    An insurance agent claims he should qualify as a minority business owner, because a DNA test shows he’s 4 percent African — enough, he believes, to make him “a certified black man.”

    Ralph Taylor knows on the outside he looks like an average white guy, but he is trying using the results from his AncestryByDNA test to bolster his business in Lynnwood, Washington.

    “I’ve always known that I’m multiracial,” the 55-year-old declared to the Washington Post.

    The 2010 test showed that he’s 90 percent European, 6 percent indigenous American and 4 percent sub-Saharan African.

    “I’m a certified black man. I’m certified black in all 50 states,” he said. “But the federal government doesn’t recognize me.”

    I AM … a certified … BLACK man! Amen!

    If he’s 10 percent non-white, that is pretty non-trivial.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Anon


    “But the federal government doesn’t recognize me.”
     
    Yeah, because you all look the same ... to them, those damn racist Feds!

    BTW, NY Post, the suburb of Seattle in question is Lynwood with 1 "n". Ignorant New Yorrkers.
    , @Autochthon
    @Anon

    Don't you just have to wrestle a Negro prince like Henderson the Rain King did to be accepted into the Negroes' tribes? It's even easier than the BIA bullshit; no paperwork!

    I'm pretty sure this theory is legitimate, because a Hebrew wrote about it, and they are master's of who gets to be whom, right?

    Say, let's just ask this (((white))) guy from San Francisco with dreadlocks:

    https://youtu.be/pQjGT3sYoFA

    Replies: @Clyde

    , @Anonymous
    @Anon


    If he’s 10 percent non-white, that is pretty non-trivial.
     
    It's amusing to see all the supposedly hard-nosed iSteve commenters caping to defend a system of racial preferences that benefits blacks and Indians and discriminates against people of White ancestry. Can't make this stuff up.
  15. In many instances, government agencies have not vetted those companies to protect the interests of taxpayers

    I’d love to hear their explanation of how the interests of taxpayers are protected by having their money thrown away on race hucksters, as opposed to the most-qualified contractors.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Mr McKenna


    I’d love to hear their explanation of how the interests of taxpayers are protected by having their money thrown away on race hucksters, as opposed to the most-qualified contractors.

     

    And also ask them why so many racial things are getting worse when we were promised sweetness and light after indulging in all this AA, diversity, and inclusion crap.

    Replies: @Mr McKenna

  16. @Hail

    Contractors with white ancestry
     
    Is it not true that all Amerindians today have at least some White ancestry? Are there any that clock-in at 100.0% Amerindian 0.0% European? If so, I'd be shocked (outside Alaska Natives). All 'Amerindian' contractors could thus be described with that sentence.

    they used membership in unrecognized Cherokee groups that federally recognized tribes and Native American experts consider illegitimate
     
    What is a Native American expert? What is 'illegitimate'?

    A lot of weasel-language in this article.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @MikeatMikedotMike, @Almost Missouri, @A Texas Reader

    “What is a Native American expert?”

    To qualify, first you have to be Jewish.

    • Replies: @Hail
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    New spin on the briefly-popular phrase "Tribal Elder."

    (I refer to the "tribal elder Nathan Phillips vs. Covington boys" incident of early 2019.)

    BTW, Nathan Phillips was back in the news last week:


    Shooting at Nathan Phillips Square leaves four people injured, sends crowds scrambling

    Published Monday, June 17, 2019 4:06PM EDT

    Four people were injured after gunfire broke out at Nathan Phillips Square during a massive celebration for the Raptors Monday afternoon.

    There were multiple reports of gunshots and stampeding at around 3:45 p.m. as hundreds of thousands of people were jammed into the square for a rally celebrating the team’s NBA Championship win.
     

    Thank you, Canada, for honoring Global Hero Nathan Phillips with his own square so quickly after he exposed the Covington, Kentucky-based conspiracy against world peace.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  17. Hopefully they bring charges against these frauds. Then they can respond by taking it all the way to the Supreme Court and challenging government set-asides.

    Right now everyone is focusing on the possibility that SCOTUS might overturn or “amend” Roe v. Wade. But there may be a solid enough conservative line-up, with O’Connor and Kennedy now gone, to overturn the rulings allowing set-asides, as well.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Wilkey


    ...there may be a solid enough conservative line-up
     
    Too many 5-4 decisions with the four libs peeling off one of the conservatives.
    , @Anonymous
    @Wilkey


    Hopefully they bring charges against these frauds.
     
    They aren't frauds. They have Indian ancestry.
  18. From Wikipedia’s article on Hastings Shade, artist and once Deputy Chief of the Cherokee Nation (to “Corn Tassel” Smith):

    Shade was considered a fullblood Cherokee. However, since he was a sixth-generation descendant of Sequoyah, the inventor of the Cherokee syllabary, he no doubt had a degree of European ancestry, as Sequoyah himself was not a full blood Cherokee.

  19. @Hail

    Contractors with white ancestry
     
    Is it not true that all Amerindians today have at least some White ancestry? Are there any that clock-in at 100.0% Amerindian 0.0% European? If so, I'd be shocked (outside Alaska Natives). All 'Amerindian' contractors could thus be described with that sentence.

    they used membership in unrecognized Cherokee groups that federally recognized tribes and Native American experts consider illegitimate
     
    What is a Native American expert? What is 'illegitimate'?

    A lot of weasel-language in this article.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @MikeatMikedotMike, @Almost Missouri, @A Texas Reader

    I’ve argued here before à propos Elizabeth Warren, that being in a federally recognized tribe is the bright line that makes one a legal Indian, irrespective of blood. As an Oklahoma-born legal expert Harvard Law professor, Warren should recognize this. Yet she continues to promote herself as “Indian” based on a vanishingly thin blood quantum. So if I were Bill Buell, my defense would be that I’ll stop being an Indian when the Senator from Massachusetts does.

    • Replies: @Moses
    @Almost Missouri


    my defense would be that I’ll stop being an Indian when the Senator from Massachusetts does.
     
    Lol gud one.
    , @Hail
    @Almost Missouri


    being in a federally recognized tribe is the bright line that makes one a legal Indian, irrespective of blood
     
    Now do Blacks.

    Or, more specifically, African-Americans.
    , @Anonymous
    @Almost Missouri


    I’ve argued here before à propos Elizabeth Warren, that being in a federally recognized tribe is the bright line that makes one a legal Indian, irrespective of blood.
     
    Being in a federally recognized tribe is the bright line that determines whether one is in a federally recognized tribe. It is not a test of whether one has Indian ancestry or identifies as Indian.

    Replies: @fnn

  20. @Almost Missouri
    @Hail

    I've argued here before à propos Elizabeth Warren, that being in a federally recognized tribe is the bright line that makes one a legal Indian, irrespective of blood. As an Oklahoma-born legal expert Harvard Law professor, Warren should recognize this. Yet she continues to promote herself as "Indian" based on a vanishingly thin blood quantum. So if I were Bill Buell, my defense would be that I'll stop being an Indian when the Senator from Massachusetts does.

    Replies: @Moses, @Hail, @Anonymous

    my defense would be that I’ll stop being an Indian when the Senator from Massachusetts does.

    Lol gud one.

  21. Two years ago, when the mayor’s office in St. Louis announced a $311,000 contract to tear down an old shoe factory, it made a point of identifying the demolition company as minority owned.

    Were there no SWPLs in St Louis to preserve this historic structure? Shoes were once made in America. In St Louis! Buster Browns!

    Another shoe factory is now the City Museum.

    http://www.interestingamerica.com/2011-03-14_City_Museum_St_Louis_by_P_Dotree_39.html

    Instead, this one is “deconstructed” by Foucaulthontas.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Reg Cæsar

    I coulda arranged to have that building destroyed by minority contractors for a lot less than $311,000. I would have spent $200,000 on high-end basketball sneakers, and let it be known that I hid them in random locations within the walls.

  22. ‘We must stop giving affirmative action government contracts to fake Indians and only give it to real Indians from Mumbai, the way Martin Luther King wanted.’

    Have you considered running for office?

  23. @Almost Missouri
    @Hail

    I've argued here before à propos Elizabeth Warren, that being in a federally recognized tribe is the bright line that makes one a legal Indian, irrespective of blood. As an Oklahoma-born legal expert Harvard Law professor, Warren should recognize this. Yet she continues to promote herself as "Indian" based on a vanishingly thin blood quantum. So if I were Bill Buell, my defense would be that I'll stop being an Indian when the Senator from Massachusetts does.

    Replies: @Moses, @Hail, @Anonymous

    being in a federally recognized tribe is the bright line that makes one a legal Indian, irrespective of blood

    Now do Blacks.

    Or, more specifically, African-Americans.

  24. Anon[152] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    I’m glad that the latest Neil Stephenson book is getting some pushback, from the New York (Post) Review of Books.

    It’s our elites who are driving America’s divisions
    https://nypost.com/2019/06/25/its-our-elites-who-are-driving-americas-divisions/

    In his new book the celebrated sci-fi author Neal Stephenson envisions a future United States split between the violent, gun-toting, uneducated, cross-burning religious fanatics of bullet-ridden “Ameristan” and the peaceful, educated, secular denizens of the nation’s Blue enclaves, where decorum and truth always prevail.

    Stephenson, one of the most imaginative novelists of our time, fails to live up to his usual standards with “Fall.” Cultural and political elites have long depicted a Red America teeming with slack-jawed extremists; there is nothing original about his vision. In fact, it isn’t very far ­removed from the perception many coastal elites hold today.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @Anon

    Might have to read it to see what happens to the black/brown underclass in the blue areas.

  25. They better not start looking into “women owned” businesses, because they’re going to find that 90% of them are some dudes wife in a figurehead position.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna
    • Replies: @mmack
    @peterike

    It’s the Chicago Way (tm)

  26. @Reg Cæsar

    Two years ago, when the mayor’s office in St. Louis announced a $311,000 contract to tear down an old shoe factory, it made a point of identifying the demolition company as minority owned.
     
    Were there no SWPLs in St Louis to preserve this historic structure? Shoes were once made in America. In St Louis! Buster Browns!

    Another shoe factory is now the City Museum.


    http://www.interestingamerica.com/2011-03-14_City_Museum_St_Louis_by_P_Dotree_39.html

    Instead, this one is "deconstructed" by Foucaulthontas.

    Replies: @International Jew

    I coulda arranged to have that building destroyed by minority contractors for a lot less than $311,000. I would have spent $200,000 on high-end basketball sneakers, and let it be known that I hid them in random locations within the walls.

    • LOL: Dan Hayes
  27. Ghee at last! Ghee at last!
    Thank Lord Ganesha we’ve ghee at last!

  28. Why is it that, no matter how many holes are poked in the liberal progressive narrative, it still remains fully inflated?

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Anon7


    Why is it that, no matter how many holes are poked in the liberal progressive narrative, it still remains fully inflated?
     
    Look at the indoctrinated product colleges are pumping out. A never ending stream of lefties and the lefties intimidate the neutral ones, who will have their livelihood crushed if they complain. Just look at the on line knitting community with Ravelry etc, The loony SJWs strive to kill the knitting supplies businesses of the dissenters. Who are not even Trumpers, but are middle of the road and fair minded.
  29. When will Appalachian highland people (aka Hillbillies) become federally designated? We are a minority, we are poor, we were whipped by Yankees, we have our own dialect, Jews laugh at us behind closed doors. What more does it take?
    I want my federal contract!

    • Replies: @The Plutonium Kid
    @anon

    I'd rather have reparations.

    It isn't widely known, but Martin Luther King Jr. wanted reparations for poor white Southerners as well as blacks, as he considered them to be victims of the plantation system too (though not as much as the slaves).

    Replies: @Indiana Jack

  30. I’m all for this stuff, whether the it’s true “cheating” or just pushing the envelope regarding these racial/ethnic boundaries. Anything that confuses the hell out of the system of AA will just help bring it down quicker. We are far beyond the time of playing by the rules with this anit-white-male garbage.

    That was welcome news. The Missouri city was still grappling with racial tensions from the 2014 fatal police shooting of Michael Brown, …

    That’s just pretty sad. It’s welcome news that white people are not allowed to obtain government contract work for their businesses? Were they ever really going to find an Indian tribe to knock this building down? (I know these guys like the iron work though…) As someone already wrote above, no, welcome news would be that this building could house a company that made shoes again, or anything else, for that matter.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Achmed E. Newman


    I’m all for this stuff, whether the it’s true “cheating” or just pushing the envelope regarding these racial/ethnic boundaries. Anything that confuses the hell out of the system of AA will just help bring it down quicker.
     
    And yet here we have Steve and other commenters white knighting to preserve a system that explicitly discriminates against people of White ancestry.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  31. These contractors got ratted out by other contractors, jealous that they scored the large contract. (my opinion) Plus with lots of Blacks in St Louis gov’t, who might have been pissed at some uppity white boys representing themselves as Indians. At some white boys horning in on the affirmative action pot o’ gold at the end of the rainbow coalition.
    They got busted on the local city/county level where everybody knows everybody. On the Federal level, more chance of sliding by Fauxahontas style, unquestioned. My opinion at least.

  32. @Hail

    Contractors with white ancestry
     
    Is it not true that all Amerindians today have at least some White ancestry? Are there any that clock-in at 100.0% Amerindian 0.0% European? If so, I'd be shocked (outside Alaska Natives). All 'Amerindian' contractors could thus be described with that sentence.

    they used membership in unrecognized Cherokee groups that federally recognized tribes and Native American experts consider illegitimate
     
    What is a Native American expert? What is 'illegitimate'?

    A lot of weasel-language in this article.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @MikeatMikedotMike, @Almost Missouri, @A Texas Reader

    Yes, there are plenty of Amerindians left in remote places such as the Four Corners area. Think Hopi, Zuni and Navajo reservations.

    A friend and colleague is a native of New Mexico.

    He in turn has a childhood friend who is a New Mexico state trooper. The trooper has to go the reservations in northern New Mexico to pick up the pieces when the tribal police bail the scene of domestic disputes. Such disputes are pretty routine thanks to freely available alcohol. These reservations are where you will find the real Indians. https://www.kvia.com/news/new-mexico/albuquerque-man-arrested-in-decapitation-of-native-american-woman/1085754397

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @A Texas Reader

    >albuquerque man
    Wow. Coulter's law in effect even on the rez.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @A Texas Reader

    A friend of mine has lots of similar stories from working far up in the Great White North, where the Inuit, aka Eskimos live. It's the same story - the places must be kept alcohol-free for society to run at all. There's big trouble with the First Nations in those Spirits Communities.

  33. @Anon7
    Why is it that, no matter how many holes are poked in the liberal progressive narrative, it still remains fully inflated?

    Replies: @Clyde

    Why is it that, no matter how many holes are poked in the liberal progressive narrative, it still remains fully inflated?

    Look at the indoctrinated product colleges are pumping out. A never ending stream of lefties and the lefties intimidate the neutral ones, who will have their livelihood crushed if they complain. Just look at the on line knitting community with Ravelry etc, The loony SJWs strive to kill the knitting supplies businesses of the dissenters. Who are not even Trumpers, but are middle of the road and fair minded.

  34. @Hail
    Why hardly any mention of a 23andMe-like genetic test in this kind of article? All I find is this, crammed deep in the middle of the article, an afterthought:

    McKinnis said...an uncle’s DNA test proved the family was Native American. He declined to provide the result to The Times.
     
    Le't say he did get a low-% Amerindian result (say, 3%) on his 23andMe. Many would still reject him as 'not' Amerindian, given that this is now, by merit of being in the media, a racially-politicized story. Logically inescapable, though, if it is bothered to be pursued, is that there must be some 'racial cutoff point' -- an "is an Indian"/"is not an Indian" %-threshold. The law (if we live in a system of legally mandated racial favoritism, which we do), in principle, demands precision, not vagueness.

    The article writers here are understandably scared of this, because it implies a (hypothetical) system of top-down, organized racial favoritism that is so mathematically precise as to be disturbing, if viewed head-on. ("Mr. Jones is not an Indian because he scores only 9.5% Amerindian; Mr Smith is an Indian because he scores 14.5%). They don't want to deal with this. Big talkers on race-favoritism in fair weather but cowards when the chips are down, to mix metaphors.

    As of the 2020s, this kind of system could easily go into place (i.e., scientific racial favoritism), given increasingly cheap and reliable 23andMe-like genetic racial testing. But to define this kind of racial favoritism explicitly makes it appear bizarre, eerie, and something like dystopian.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Whiskey, @Anonymous

    Elizabeth Warren is 1/1024 th Indian. So the guy is Indian.

    But yes eventually people will be too White to be employed. Later to be suffered to live.

  35. @A Texas Reader
    @Hail

    Yes, there are plenty of Amerindians left in remote places such as the Four Corners area. Think Hopi, Zuni and Navajo reservations.

    A friend and colleague is a native of New Mexico.

    He in turn has a childhood friend who is a New Mexico state trooper. The trooper has to go the reservations in northern New Mexico to pick up the pieces when the tribal police bail the scene of domestic disputes. Such disputes are pretty routine thanks to freely available alcohol. These reservations are where you will find the real Indians. https://www.kvia.com/news/new-mexico/albuquerque-man-arrested-in-decapitation-of-native-american-woman/1085754397

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Achmed E. Newman

    >albuquerque man
    Wow. Coulter’s law in effect even on the rez.

  36. @J.Ross
    @Hail

    Not in this case, it's accepted (and fair) that the tribe determines its own membership (different nations have different criteria), and Cherokees, being early adopters of writing, are known to have highly organized and clear standards.

    Replies: @Hail, @Anonymous

    the tribe determines its own membership

    Racial discrimination?

    • Agree: bomag
  37. anonymous[354] • Disclaimer says:

    Is a trans-woman (e.g. guy wearing dresses who has not had the surgery) a woman for the purpose of “woman-owned enterprise” preferences in government services/products bids?

    Remember, some of these bid arrangements allow the preferred class (women in this case) as much as a 10 per cent advantage in bid prices. That is about 1/2 or more of a healthy profit margin…not insignificant.

    With strong young men whupping girls regularly in womens’ sporting events on a regular basis, this is not a hypothetical.

    Can Chelsea Manning (I almost wrote Clinton) take advantage of this?

    • Replies: @Hail
    @anonymous


    Is a trans-woman (e.g. guy wearing dresses who has not had the surgery) a woman for the purpose of “woman-owned enterprise” preferences in government services/products bids?
     
    @ NBC,

    Consider making this the lead question for the upcoming D-team debates.

  38. anon[168] • Disclaimer says:

    “It’s our elites who are driving America’s divisions” — NYP

    Sometimes, just sometimes, I think Unz is more influential than people might imagine because I occasionally see some of my ideas repeated elsewhere. For example, both myself and others have recently been advancing the theory that some of the current PC culture is being promoted by elites – especially economic elite whites in diversifying areas – with the purpose of maintaining their economic dominance by pitting groups against each other (Soros’s attempt at removing that black lady California DA with a white guy on the basis of dog whistling about crime). A lot of the pozz efforts at “social justice” could likewise be interpreted as cover for race baiting against middle-class whites by the elite so POC, disproportionately supportive of socialist policies, won’t gang up on them. What other explanation is there for the city counsel of San Jose to erect pride flags in front of a Chick-fil-a? Justice or fairness? Can my city government put a Palestinian flag outside of a Synagogue? Can I wave a Confederate flag at a crime scene involving a black man without getting a federal charge? No, obviously. It seems to me like this is a subtle ethnic insult promoted by a wealthy area to keep their poor subjects distracted. I’ve also noticed my theory that Japan is tacitly distancing themselves from the US (they are – getting involved with NK, Iran, the Philippines, China, etc) also repeated elsewhere, including by high ranking American officials just the other day.

  39. OT: Funny revelation that AOC staged a fake photo session at an empty parking lot, supposedly holding caged migrants.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/06/new-photos-reveal-ocasio-cortez-was-not-sobbing-at-caged-migrant-children-she-was-sobbing-in-an-empty-parking-lot-for-a-photo-op/

  40. @J1234
    Oh, yeah! 23andMe showdown between Bill Buell and E. Warren!

    Dueling genetics:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsC4kf6x_Q0

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Who’s pickin’ the banjo round hyeah?

  41. @Mr McKenna

    In many instances, government agencies have not vetted those companies to protect the interests of taxpayers
     
    I'd love to hear their explanation of how the interests of taxpayers are protected by having their money thrown away on race hucksters, as opposed to the most-qualified contractors.

    Replies: @bomag

    I’d love to hear their explanation of how the interests of taxpayers are protected by having their money thrown away on race hucksters, as opposed to the most-qualified contractors.

    And also ask them why so many racial things are getting worse when we were promised sweetness and light after indulging in all this AA, diversity, and inclusion crap.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    @bomag

    The Democrat-type response is always that we haven't doubled-down, hard enough yet.

    They always have yet another level of insanity ready.

    They haven't run out yet, and they may never.

  42. @Anon
    In the case of Native Americans the line may be that you have to be an enrolled member of a tribe, per BIA standards.

    But for blacks, there is no such gatekeeper. In fact, Shaun King can be considered black.

    One suggested standard that has been used has been "acceptance by the black community," which means, I guess, that you get a black church preacher to write a recommendation letter if anyone complains.

    This is starting to happen:

    Man claims to be a minority business owner after DNA test shows he’s 4% African
    https://nypost.com/2018/09/25/man-claims-to-be-a-minority-business-owner-after-dna-test-shows-hes-4-african/


    An insurance agent claims he should qualify as a minority business owner, because a DNA test shows he’s 4 percent African — enough, he believes, to make him “a certified black man.”

    Ralph Taylor knows on the outside he looks like an average white guy, but he is trying using the results from his AncestryByDNA test to bolster his business in Lynnwood, Washington.

    “I’ve always known that I’m multiracial,” the 55-year-old declared to the Washington Post.

    The 2010 test showed that he’s 90 percent European, 6 percent indigenous American and 4 percent sub-Saharan African.

    “I’m a certified black man. I’m certified black in all 50 states,” he said. “But the federal government doesn’t recognize me.”
     

    I AM ... a certified ... BLACK man! Amen!

    If he's 10 percent non-white, that is pretty non-trivial.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Autochthon, @Anonymous

    “But the federal government doesn’t recognize me.”

    Yeah, because you all look the same … to them, those damn racist Feds!

    BTW, NY Post, the suburb of Seattle in question is Lynwood with 1 “n”. Ignorant New Yorrkers.

  43. @Wilkey
    Hopefully they bring charges against these frauds. Then they can respond by taking it all the way to the Supreme Court and challenging government set-asides.

    Right now everyone is focusing on the possibility that SCOTUS might overturn or "amend" Roe v. Wade. But there may be a solid enough conservative line-up, with O'Connor and Kennedy now gone, to overturn the rulings allowing set-asides, as well.

    Replies: @bomag, @Anonymous

    …there may be a solid enough conservative line-up

    Too many 5-4 decisions with the four libs peeling off one of the conservatives.

  44. @A Texas Reader
    @Hail

    Yes, there are plenty of Amerindians left in remote places such as the Four Corners area. Think Hopi, Zuni and Navajo reservations.

    A friend and colleague is a native of New Mexico.

    He in turn has a childhood friend who is a New Mexico state trooper. The trooper has to go the reservations in northern New Mexico to pick up the pieces when the tribal police bail the scene of domestic disputes. Such disputes are pretty routine thanks to freely available alcohol. These reservations are where you will find the real Indians. https://www.kvia.com/news/new-mexico/albuquerque-man-arrested-in-decapitation-of-native-american-woman/1085754397

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Achmed E. Newman

    A friend of mine has lots of similar stories from working far up in the Great White North, where the Inuit, aka Eskimos live. It’s the same story – the places must be kept alcohol-free for society to run at all. There’s big trouble with the First Nations in those Spirits Communities.

  45. @anonymous
    Is a trans-woman (e.g. guy wearing dresses who has not had the surgery) a woman for the purpose of "woman-owned enterprise" preferences in government services/products bids?

    Remember, some of these bid arrangements allow the preferred class (women in this case) as much as a 10 per cent advantage in bid prices. That is about 1/2 or more of a healthy profit margin...not insignificant.

    With strong young men whupping girls regularly in womens' sporting events on a regular basis, this is not a hypothetical.

    Can Chelsea Manning (I almost wrote Clinton) take advantage of this?

    Replies: @Hail

    Is a trans-woman (e.g. guy wearing dresses who has not had the surgery) a woman for the purpose of “woman-owned enterprise” preferences in government services/products bids?

    @ NBC,

    Consider making this the lead question for the upcoming D-team debates.

  46. Hail says: • Website
    @MikeatMikedotMike
    @Hail

    "What is a Native American expert?"

    To qualify, first you have to be Jewish.

    Replies: @Hail

    New spin on the briefly-popular phrase “Tribal Elder.”

    (I refer to the “tribal elder Nathan Phillips vs. Covington boys” incident of early 2019.)

    BTW, Nathan Phillips was back in the news last week:

    Shooting at Nathan Phillips Square leaves four people injured, sends crowds scrambling

    Published Monday, June 17, 2019 4:06PM EDT

    Four people were injured after gunfire broke out at Nathan Phillips Square during a massive celebration for the Raptors Monday afternoon.

    There were multiple reports of gunshots and stampeding at around 3:45 p.m. as hundreds of thousands of people were jammed into the square for a rally celebrating the team’s NBA Championship win.

    Thank you, Canada, for honoring Global Hero Nathan Phillips with his own square so quickly after he exposed the Covington, Kentucky-based conspiracy against world peace.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Hail

    Without Wiki I might not know better but of course the major town common bordering the city hall


    is named for Nathan Phillips, mayor of Toronto from 1955 to 1962.
     
    I mean I wouldn't put it past Trudy but that would be a bit much even for him.
  47. @anon
    When will Appalachian highland people (aka Hillbillies) become federally designated? We are a minority, we are poor, we were whipped by Yankees, we have our own dialect, Jews laugh at us behind closed doors. What more does it take?
    I want my federal contract!

    Replies: @The Plutonium Kid

    I’d rather have reparations.

    It isn’t widely known, but Martin Luther King Jr. wanted reparations for poor white Southerners as well as blacks, as he considered them to be victims of the plantation system too (though not as much as the slaves).

    • Replies: @Indiana Jack
    @The Plutonium Kid

    Well, there is one school of thought which holds that it was the poor whites, even more than the slaves, who were victimized by the plantation system. The earliest work that I know of espousing this view was Hinton Helper's The Impending Crisis of the South, published in 1857. This was a widely promoted view among the anti-slavery Republicans during the Civil War era, and I think it was also popular among leftist and Marxist historians for many years. I don't know what historians believe now, but my guess is that this view has faded as race has increasingly become the central obsession on the left.

    Currently, the main criticism of Confederate leaders is that they were racist. Under the older view, the racist language employed by secessionist leaders was simply a way to gain the support of poor whites who were in fact being hurt by competition with the cheap labor that slavery provided (not to mention the ability of the slaveowners to purchase the best agricultural property, leaving the poorer whites with the more marginal land).

    A few years ago, I visited a small museum in the south, which included a display about the building of a canal in the early 1800's. Although this was in a slave state, it turned out that the workers on the canal were primarily Irish immigrants. According the tour guide, this was because slaves were simply too valuable to risk in such a job. A dead or injured slave would have represented a serious financial loss to the slaveowners, but if a poor white was killed or injured, they could simply hire another.

    Replies: @Corn

  48. @bomag
    @Mr McKenna


    I’d love to hear their explanation of how the interests of taxpayers are protected by having their money thrown away on race hucksters, as opposed to the most-qualified contractors.

     

    And also ask them why so many racial things are getting worse when we were promised sweetness and light after indulging in all this AA, diversity, and inclusion crap.

    Replies: @Mr McKenna

    The Democrat-type response is always that we haven’t doubled-down, hard enough yet.

    They always have yet another level of insanity ready.

    They haven’t run out yet, and they may never.

  49. o/t

    Maple Syrup rotting in the taps

    Canada’s farm labour shortage is costing billions and expected to rise: report

    https://business.financialpost.com/commodities/agriculture/canadas-farm-labor-shortage-is-costing-billions-and-expected-to-rise-report

  50. @Anon
    In the case of Native Americans the line may be that you have to be an enrolled member of a tribe, per BIA standards.

    But for blacks, there is no such gatekeeper. In fact, Shaun King can be considered black.

    One suggested standard that has been used has been "acceptance by the black community," which means, I guess, that you get a black church preacher to write a recommendation letter if anyone complains.

    This is starting to happen:

    Man claims to be a minority business owner after DNA test shows he’s 4% African
    https://nypost.com/2018/09/25/man-claims-to-be-a-minority-business-owner-after-dna-test-shows-hes-4-african/


    An insurance agent claims he should qualify as a minority business owner, because a DNA test shows he’s 4 percent African — enough, he believes, to make him “a certified black man.”

    Ralph Taylor knows on the outside he looks like an average white guy, but he is trying using the results from his AncestryByDNA test to bolster his business in Lynnwood, Washington.

    “I’ve always known that I’m multiracial,” the 55-year-old declared to the Washington Post.

    The 2010 test showed that he’s 90 percent European, 6 percent indigenous American and 4 percent sub-Saharan African.

    “I’m a certified black man. I’m certified black in all 50 states,” he said. “But the federal government doesn’t recognize me.”
     

    I AM ... a certified ... BLACK man! Amen!

    If he's 10 percent non-white, that is pretty non-trivial.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Autochthon, @Anonymous

    Don’t you just have to wrestle a Negro prince like Henderson the Rain King did to be accepted into the Negroes’ tribes? It’s even easier than the BIA bullshit; no paperwork!

    I’m pretty sure this theory is legitimate, because a Hebrew wrote about it, and they are master’s of who gets to be whom, right?

    Say, let’s just ask this (((white))) guy from San Francisco with dreadlocks:

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Autochthon

    That is a dreadlocks wig as far as I know.

  51. These sitcom pilots just keep writing themselves — company with Jews, Catholics and WASPS, not to mention some blacks, must all pretend to be feather Indians — under close government scrutiny — to maintain lucrative contract or casino license. Their wives, too.

    Sioux Help Me God?

    • Replies: @Hail
    @Known Fact


    under close government scrutiny
     
    Starring Nathan Phillips, as the government's lead racial-authenticity investigator
  52. Anonymous[409] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hail
    Why hardly any mention of a 23andMe-like genetic test in this kind of article? All I find is this, crammed deep in the middle of the article, an afterthought:

    McKinnis said...an uncle’s DNA test proved the family was Native American. He declined to provide the result to The Times.
     
    Le't say he did get a low-% Amerindian result (say, 3%) on his 23andMe. Many would still reject him as 'not' Amerindian, given that this is now, by merit of being in the media, a racially-politicized story. Logically inescapable, though, if it is bothered to be pursued, is that there must be some 'racial cutoff point' -- an "is an Indian"/"is not an Indian" %-threshold. The law (if we live in a system of legally mandated racial favoritism, which we do), in principle, demands precision, not vagueness.

    The article writers here are understandably scared of this, because it implies a (hypothetical) system of top-down, organized racial favoritism that is so mathematically precise as to be disturbing, if viewed head-on. ("Mr. Jones is not an Indian because he scores only 9.5% Amerindian; Mr Smith is an Indian because he scores 14.5%). They don't want to deal with this. Big talkers on race-favoritism in fair weather but cowards when the chips are down, to mix metaphors.

    As of the 2020s, this kind of system could easily go into place (i.e., scientific racial favoritism), given increasingly cheap and reliable 23andMe-like genetic racial testing. But to define this kind of racial favoritism explicitly makes it appear bizarre, eerie, and something like dystopian.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Whiskey, @Anonymous

    it implies a (hypothetical) system of top-down, organized racial favoritism that is so mathematically precise as to be disturbing, if viewed head-on.

    What is disturbing about it?

  53. Anonymous[409] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross
    @Hail

    Not in this case, it's accepted (and fair) that the tribe determines its own membership (different nations have different criteria), and Cherokees, being early adopters of writing, are known to have highly organized and clear standards.

    Replies: @Hail, @Anonymous

    Not in this case, it’s accepted (and fair) that the tribe determines its own membership (different nations have different criteria)

    Perhaps it is true that a private club should be able to determine its own membership. However, a private club should not given power to determine what race someone is or who receives or is excluded from government benefits.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Anonymous

    ... But in this case those are the same thing, and it's its own nation.

  54. Anonymous[409] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    In the case of Native Americans the line may be that you have to be an enrolled member of a tribe, per BIA standards.

    But for blacks, there is no such gatekeeper. In fact, Shaun King can be considered black.

    One suggested standard that has been used has been "acceptance by the black community," which means, I guess, that you get a black church preacher to write a recommendation letter if anyone complains.

    This is starting to happen:

    Man claims to be a minority business owner after DNA test shows he’s 4% African
    https://nypost.com/2018/09/25/man-claims-to-be-a-minority-business-owner-after-dna-test-shows-hes-4-african/


    An insurance agent claims he should qualify as a minority business owner, because a DNA test shows he’s 4 percent African — enough, he believes, to make him “a certified black man.”

    Ralph Taylor knows on the outside he looks like an average white guy, but he is trying using the results from his AncestryByDNA test to bolster his business in Lynnwood, Washington.

    “I’ve always known that I’m multiracial,” the 55-year-old declared to the Washington Post.

    The 2010 test showed that he’s 90 percent European, 6 percent indigenous American and 4 percent sub-Saharan African.

    “I’m a certified black man. I’m certified black in all 50 states,” he said. “But the federal government doesn’t recognize me.”
     

    I AM ... a certified ... BLACK man! Amen!

    If he's 10 percent non-white, that is pretty non-trivial.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Autochthon, @Anonymous

    If he’s 10 percent non-white, that is pretty non-trivial.

    It’s amusing to see all the supposedly hard-nosed iSteve commenters caping to defend a system of racial preferences that benefits blacks and Indians and discriminates against people of White ancestry. Can’t make this stuff up.

  55. Anonymous[409] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wilkey
    Hopefully they bring charges against these frauds. Then they can respond by taking it all the way to the Supreme Court and challenging government set-asides.

    Right now everyone is focusing on the possibility that SCOTUS might overturn or "amend" Roe v. Wade. But there may be a solid enough conservative line-up, with O'Connor and Kennedy now gone, to overturn the rulings allowing set-asides, as well.

    Replies: @bomag, @Anonymous

    Hopefully they bring charges against these frauds.

    They aren’t frauds. They have Indian ancestry.

  56. @Known Fact
    These sitcom pilots just keep writing themselves -- company with Jews, Catholics and WASPS, not to mention some blacks, must all pretend to be feather Indians -- under close government scrutiny -- to maintain lucrative contract or casino license. Their wives, too.

    Sioux Help Me God?

    Replies: @Hail

    under close government scrutiny

    Starring Nathan Phillips, as the government’s lead racial-authenticity investigator

  57. Anonymous[409] • Disclaimer says:
    @Almost Missouri
    @Hail

    I've argued here before à propos Elizabeth Warren, that being in a federally recognized tribe is the bright line that makes one a legal Indian, irrespective of blood. As an Oklahoma-born legal expert Harvard Law professor, Warren should recognize this. Yet she continues to promote herself as "Indian" based on a vanishingly thin blood quantum. So if I were Bill Buell, my defense would be that I'll stop being an Indian when the Senator from Massachusetts does.

    Replies: @Moses, @Hail, @Anonymous

    I’ve argued here before à propos Elizabeth Warren, that being in a federally recognized tribe is the bright line that makes one a legal Indian, irrespective of blood.

    Being in a federally recognized tribe is the bright line that determines whether one is in a federally recognized tribe. It is not a test of whether one has Indian ancestry or identifies as Indian.

    • Replies: @fnn
    @Anonymous

    Wouldn't that invite trafficking in tribal memberships? I mean on top of the membership trafficking that has already gone on in relation to the casino business.

  58. Here in Canada at least 50% of the “Indians” could pass for white and would have in an earlier era.

  59. @Hippopotamusdrome


    By ADAM ELMAHREK

     

    Is it just me, or do the names of big newspaper authors in recent years start to sound like Lovecraft aliens?

    Like one day, I expect to see "By Willard Yog-Sothoth". Just to see if we're paying attention.

    David Letterman's "NY Times writer or Cthulhu diety":

    Eihort
    Elmahrek
    Ei'lor
    Etepsed

    Replies: @Redneck farmer

    That would explain a lot, except the Great Old Ones are worthy of respect

  60. @Anon
    OT

    I'm glad that the latest Neil Stephenson book is getting some pushback, from the New York (Post) Review of Books.

    It’s our elites who are driving America’s divisions
    https://nypost.com/2019/06/25/its-our-elites-who-are-driving-americas-divisions/


    In his new book the celebrated sci-fi author Neal Stephenson envisions a future United States split between the violent, gun-toting, uneducated, cross-burning religious fanatics of bullet-ridden “Ameristan” and the peaceful, educated, secular denizens of the nation’s Blue enclaves, where decorum and truth always prevail.

    Stephenson, one of the most imaginative novelists of our time, fails to live up to his usual standards with “Fall.” Cultural and political elites have long depicted a Red America teeming with slack-jawed extremists; there is nothing original about his vision. In fact, it isn’t very far ­removed from the perception many coastal elites hold today.
     

    Replies: @Redneck farmer

    Might have to read it to see what happens to the black/brown underclass in the blue areas.

  61. Anonymous[409] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    I'm all for this stuff, whether the it's true "cheating" or just pushing the envelope regarding these racial/ethnic boundaries. Anything that confuses the hell out of the system of AA will just help bring it down quicker. We are far beyond the time of playing by the rules with this anit-white-male garbage.

    That was welcome news. The Missouri city was still grappling with racial tensions from the 2014 fatal police shooting of Michael Brown, ...
     
    That's just pretty sad. It's welcome news that white people are not allowed to obtain government contract work for their businesses? Were they ever really going to find an Indian tribe to knock this building down? (I know these guys like the iron work though...) As someone already wrote above, no, welcome news would be that this building could house a company that made shoes again, or anything else, for that matter.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I’m all for this stuff, whether the it’s true “cheating” or just pushing the envelope regarding these racial/ethnic boundaries. Anything that confuses the hell out of the system of AA will just help bring it down quicker.

    And yet here we have Steve and other commenters white knighting to preserve a system that explicitly discriminates against people of White ancestry.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Anonymous

    Oops, # 409, that last comment of mine (currently #61) was meant in reply to you.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  62. I give them the benefit of the doubt that they just like discussing the HBD stuff, the rules, and the other minutia that can indeed be interesting. Within that, the whole big idea that AA is unconstitutional, that it’s obviously unfair, and that it has hurt or even curtailed the careers of tens of millions of white men over the last 5 decades seem lost to some. Steve Sailer, along with Ann Coulter BTW, still thinks AA is right, for American-ancestry blacks.

    You can’t be right all the time, when you get caught in the minutia.

  63. @Anonymous
    @Almost Missouri


    I’ve argued here before à propos Elizabeth Warren, that being in a federally recognized tribe is the bright line that makes one a legal Indian, irrespective of blood.
     
    Being in a federally recognized tribe is the bright line that determines whether one is in a federally recognized tribe. It is not a test of whether one has Indian ancestry or identifies as Indian.

    Replies: @fnn

    Wouldn’t that invite trafficking in tribal memberships? I mean on top of the membership trafficking that has already gone on in relation to the casino business.

  64. @Anonymous
    @Achmed E. Newman


    I’m all for this stuff, whether the it’s true “cheating” or just pushing the envelope regarding these racial/ethnic boundaries. Anything that confuses the hell out of the system of AA will just help bring it down quicker.
     
    And yet here we have Steve and other commenters white knighting to preserve a system that explicitly discriminates against people of White ancestry.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Oops, # 409, that last comment of mine (currently #61) was meant in reply to you.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Thank you.

  65. I remember way back in 2017 when questioning if someone had Indian ancestry was a terrible thing to do
    “If you look… they don’t look like Indians to me”

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @everybodyhatesscott


    “If you look… they don’t look like Indians to me”
     
    Then Trump said, "They don't even look like Indians to Indians". What a great line. Plus Trump was brash and showed no respect to the Democrats who were questioning him in that House Subcommittee. There was spirited back and forth.
  66. @peterike
    They better not start looking into “women owned” businesses, because they’re going to find that 90% of them are some dudes wife in a figurehead position.

    Replies: @mmack

    It’s the Chicago Way ™

  67. @The Plutonium Kid
    @anon

    I'd rather have reparations.

    It isn't widely known, but Martin Luther King Jr. wanted reparations for poor white Southerners as well as blacks, as he considered them to be victims of the plantation system too (though not as much as the slaves).

    Replies: @Indiana Jack

    Well, there is one school of thought which holds that it was the poor whites, even more than the slaves, who were victimized by the plantation system. The earliest work that I know of espousing this view was Hinton Helper’s The Impending Crisis of the South, published in 1857. This was a widely promoted view among the anti-slavery Republicans during the Civil War era, and I think it was also popular among leftist and Marxist historians for many years. I don’t know what historians believe now, but my guess is that this view has faded as race has increasingly become the central obsession on the left.

    Currently, the main criticism of Confederate leaders is that they were racist. Under the older view, the racist language employed by secessionist leaders was simply a way to gain the support of poor whites who were in fact being hurt by competition with the cheap labor that slavery provided (not to mention the ability of the slaveowners to purchase the best agricultural property, leaving the poorer whites with the more marginal land).

    A few years ago, I visited a small museum in the south, which included a display about the building of a canal in the early 1800’s. Although this was in a slave state, it turned out that the workers on the canal were primarily Irish immigrants. According the tour guide, this was because slaves were simply too valuable to risk in such a job. A dead or injured slave would have represented a serious financial loss to the slaveowners, but if a poor white was killed or injured, they could simply hire another.

    • Replies: @Corn
    @Indiana Jack

    When I was in high school I once skimmed a book on economics that was in the school library that said much the same. If you were a planter you’d use your slaves for field work, maybe some construction, but if you were doing really dangerous work you’d hire gangs of Irish or German immigrants.

    If a slave dies in an accident or of malaria clearing swampland you’re out big money. Fritz or Mickey dies? Eh, hire another one off the next boat.

  68. @Anonymous
    @J.Ross


    Not in this case, it’s accepted (and fair) that the tribe determines its own membership (different nations have different criteria)
     
    Perhaps it is true that a private club should be able to determine its own membership. However, a private club should not given power to determine what race someone is or who receives or is excluded from government benefits.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    … But in this case those are the same thing, and it’s its own nation.

  69. @Indiana Jack
    @The Plutonium Kid

    Well, there is one school of thought which holds that it was the poor whites, even more than the slaves, who were victimized by the plantation system. The earliest work that I know of espousing this view was Hinton Helper's The Impending Crisis of the South, published in 1857. This was a widely promoted view among the anti-slavery Republicans during the Civil War era, and I think it was also popular among leftist and Marxist historians for many years. I don't know what historians believe now, but my guess is that this view has faded as race has increasingly become the central obsession on the left.

    Currently, the main criticism of Confederate leaders is that they were racist. Under the older view, the racist language employed by secessionist leaders was simply a way to gain the support of poor whites who were in fact being hurt by competition with the cheap labor that slavery provided (not to mention the ability of the slaveowners to purchase the best agricultural property, leaving the poorer whites with the more marginal land).

    A few years ago, I visited a small museum in the south, which included a display about the building of a canal in the early 1800's. Although this was in a slave state, it turned out that the workers on the canal were primarily Irish immigrants. According the tour guide, this was because slaves were simply too valuable to risk in such a job. A dead or injured slave would have represented a serious financial loss to the slaveowners, but if a poor white was killed or injured, they could simply hire another.

    Replies: @Corn

    When I was in high school I once skimmed a book on economics that was in the school library that said much the same. If you were a planter you’d use your slaves for field work, maybe some construction, but if you were doing really dangerous work you’d hire gangs of Irish or German immigrants.

    If a slave dies in an accident or of malaria clearing swampland you’re out big money. Fritz or Mickey dies? Eh, hire another one off the next boat.

  70. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:

    by making unsubstantiated claims to being Native American

    No human is illegal and no human is unsubstantiated.

  71. @Autochthon
    @Anon

    Don't you just have to wrestle a Negro prince like Henderson the Rain King did to be accepted into the Negroes' tribes? It's even easier than the BIA bullshit; no paperwork!

    I'm pretty sure this theory is legitimate, because a Hebrew wrote about it, and they are master's of who gets to be whom, right?

    Say, let's just ask this (((white))) guy from San Francisco with dreadlocks:

    https://youtu.be/pQjGT3sYoFA

    Replies: @Clyde

    That is a dreadlocks wig as far as I know.

  72. @everybodyhatesscott
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cZ4vFZ8A_Y
    I remember way back in 2017 when questioning if someone had Indian ancestry was a terrible thing to do
    "If you look... they don't look like Indians to me"

    Replies: @Clyde

    “If you look… they don’t look like Indians to me”

    Then Trump said, “They don’t even look like Indians to Indians”. What a great line. Plus Trump was brash and showed no respect to the Democrats who were questioning him in that House Subcommittee. There was spirited back and forth.

  73. Anonymous[475] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    @Anonymous

    Oops, # 409, that last comment of mine (currently #61) was meant in reply to you.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Thank you.

  74. @Hail
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    New spin on the briefly-popular phrase "Tribal Elder."

    (I refer to the "tribal elder Nathan Phillips vs. Covington boys" incident of early 2019.)

    BTW, Nathan Phillips was back in the news last week:


    Shooting at Nathan Phillips Square leaves four people injured, sends crowds scrambling

    Published Monday, June 17, 2019 4:06PM EDT

    Four people were injured after gunfire broke out at Nathan Phillips Square during a massive celebration for the Raptors Monday afternoon.

    There were multiple reports of gunshots and stampeding at around 3:45 p.m. as hundreds of thousands of people were jammed into the square for a rally celebrating the team’s NBA Championship win.
     

    Thank you, Canada, for honoring Global Hero Nathan Phillips with his own square so quickly after he exposed the Covington, Kentucky-based conspiracy against world peace.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Without Wiki I might not know better but of course the major town common bordering the city hall

    is named for Nathan Phillips, mayor of Toronto from 1955 to 1962.

    I mean I wouldn’t put it past Trudy but that would be a bit much even for him.

  75. Great news.

    Affirmative action has a ratchet effect like chlamydia. Once started, you can’t roll it back.

    However, this sort of “water down” can circumvent it

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