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Watching test scores in the 21st Century is like watching the 1973 Belmont horse race with the Asians in the role of Secretariat pulling away from the field and winning by 31 lengths:

We are supposed to believe:

Diversity is Good

Inequality is Bad

But in reality, More Diversity usually means More Inequality.

Does not compute.

Over the course of this graph of 1996 to 2017, Asians went from being an exotic 3% of public school fourth graders to a more common 6%. Add to it that Asians appear to have cracked the code for how to score high on tests, and we’re seeing a lot of hysteria building up among upper middle class whites to abolish testing in order to … in order to … in order to … punish Evil whites like Felicity Huffman for keeping the black child down! Yeah, that’s the ticket.

 
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  1. Counting down the seconds until the first Judeophile begins wailing about muh creativity

    • Replies: @Anon
    Did you have anything of value to add to the discussion, or did you just come here to be an obnoxious jerk?
  2. Peterike’s Law in graphic form.

    I bet Asians are more than 6% of the student population.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    I bet Asians are more than 6% of the student population.
     
    Jews should probably be classified as Asian, given their asserted origins in Palestine. What does the graph look like then?
    , @Anon
    True , Asians are 6% of the US population but 9% of elementary students are Asian.
    , @Thomm
    False.

    Peterike's Law is the following :

    "99% of White Trashionalism is nothing more than the bottom decile of white men getting angry that the bottom decile of white women are now allowed to avoid them."
  3. Funny how liberals push at the same time for open borders and less inequality. But you can’t have both, you have to choose what you prefer.

    • Replies: @istevefan
    That is similar to how they push for a $15 minimum wage while simultaneously promoting mass immigration.
    , @Sleep
    Oh it makes perfect sense to me. The more open borders we have, the more inequality we'll have, and the more people will need the Democrats. They're not as stupid as they sound.
  4. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7635781/Surveillance-footage-shows-Cuba-Gooding-Jr-groping-waitress-Tao.html?ico=pushly-notifcation-small

    “Forcible touching” is a law now?

    So basically when some drunk loser in a night club makes a joke about a woman in a hooker dress er excuse me “her club outfit” and then taps her on the rear(the brothers do it ALL THE TIME)…..THAT IS NOW A SEX CRIME?

    Seriously this is a big reason I stopped going out to clubs. Aside from the fact women lol EXPECT FREE DRINKS…..and then excuse themselves to the restroom and vanish like a fart in the wind.

    Yeah after like the 4th time of having a girl ask me to buy her a drink and then having her vanish to the bathroom or “her girls” come pick her up and whisk her away…..i mean how many suckers are left to do that now that prostitution is near legal and most idiots in halfway decent shape can score using Tinder or ither date apps? I remember being 22 and dumb and hitting up a cigarette stinking casino night club and blowing near $80 a night on drinks for girls who then do the Houdini act

    After a few times and you actually WORKING FOE YOUR MONEY you kinda harden up and say “whats the use in this?”

    Say what you will about MGTOW, if touching a woman in a bar is a crime now I’m officially done with the bar scene

    • Replies: @Lot
    “ Aside from the fact women lol EXPECT FREE DRINKS…..and then excuse themselves to the restroom and vanish like a fart in the wind.”

    If a pretty young woman at a big nightclub asks you to buy her a very specific drink, e.g., “a Barcadi and coke,” she may be getting paid to do so by a marketing company.

    “ and blowing near $80 a night on drinks for girls who then do the Houdini act”

    Never spend more than $25 on a first date.

    , @Anonymous
    Jesus, man, Heartiste started writing more than 12 years ago and you're still buying girls drinks in bars?
  5. we are heading to a race caste system

  6. Stop asking questions, Steve!

    • Disagree: Hail
  7. Watching test scores in the 21st Century is like watching the 1973 Belmont horse race with the Asians in the role of Secretariat pulling away from the field and winning by 31 lengths:

    I guess that makes blacks like that horse that ran around the track without a rider at this year’s Preakness.

  8. Asians are smart and are locked onto achievement via hard work. Good for them.

    Whites are actually doing quite well based on the actual data.

    WTs should whine less and study more. I suspect that many WTs are just lazy bums.

    • Agree: Laurence Whelk
    • Disagree: Kronos
    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Whites are actually doing quite well based on the actual data.
     
    The Whites doing well are Jews and the upper class of other Middle Eastern groups.
    , @Michelle
    A lot of smart whites are very lazy. They will not prep or study. They will still score well on tests, but not as well as smart/smarter Asians who study their asses off. In any case, there is no class difference in Chinese test scores. Poor Chinese do as well on tests as rich Chinese. Also, I know very few whites or Blacks who are willing to work as hard, on any job involving manual labor, as Mexicans are. I can think of a few whites and Blacks who retired about ten years ago who worked as hard, but none currently working. I have an employee from Mexico who I actually had to ask my supervisor to tell to slow down, because she literally worked like a machine and I was afraid she would hurt herself. We had to give her a special tape dispenser because her wrists started to hurt. She covers book jackets and while most people cover 250 or less in a shift, she covers 450 or more. She really has a hard time backing off even a little. The people on the sorting end of her hate her because she makes a lot of work for them. Many Chinese restaurant owners, and contractors, are hiring Mexicans, because they out work Asians for less pay. My uncle died and I am going through probate with his house and asked the Chinese born maintenance engineer at work what to do about the state of disrepair the house is in. He used to work with
    all Chinese crews, now he told me to hire Mexicans and recommended another Mexican co-worker for the job.
    , @Kronos
    I don’t think white kids are lazy. They’re just more cynical/pragmatic and rightfully so. Most school work is mainly busywork. Most curriculums/grades are geared toward GPA than test scores. The former rewards hard work more than IQ. (Also, Asians are some of the biggest cheaters that ever cheated.)

    https://educationrealist.wordpress.com/2013/10/08/asian-immigrants-and-what-no-one-mentions-aloud/

    But Asians behave rather well and at least pretend to give a damn about schoolwork.

    Also, great jobs straight out of High School/College are very few and far between. Why burn yourself out? If companies were paying good wages for good work that’s another story. But the white kids understand they’ll very likely share the equality of minimum wage jobs regardless of IQ and/or effort.

    https://youtu.be/6Dzp3-JY3qI
  9. My guess is that Asians are becoming more Chinese. In my high school, in the early 90’s, Asian meant Hmong or Vietnamese. We had one Japanese kid, and I don’t think there were any from any other countries. In that same school today, pretty much all the Asian kids are Chinese.

    Considering the fact that every group is improving, there’s probably some dumbing down of the test, too.

  10. We are supposed to believe: Diversity is Good, Inequality is Bad, But in reality, More Diversity usually means More Inequality. Does not compute.

    No, it does not compute. But I have a prudent measure that I advocate, commonly known as an immigration moratorium. Let us implement the immigration moratorium, and then puzzle out the paradox you pose. Let us keep this immigration moratorium in place until we can completely comprehend this conundrum you have offered. Once we do, then let us consider your obviously essential, important and trenchant observation.

    • Agree: Hail, ic1000
  11. I was just reading about a group of students planning to sue the CA university system to make them drop the ACT and SAT because blacks and Latinos do so much worth an whites (no mention of Asians). They claim these tests don’t have much predictive power for how a student does in college and that higher scores are due to wealthier students paying for test prep.

    I would guess that the first point is a lie, and the second could easily be disproven, not to mention I recall reading that test prep doesn’t raise score by more than a few percent, and certainly doesn’t account for the massive scoring gaps.

    • Agree: J
    • Replies: @res
    See this thread.
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/mexican-vs-asian-war-brewing-over-abolishing-sat-act-at-u-of-california/
    , @El Dato
    Anyone who needs to "pay for test prep" has no business doing the test.

    Just another day in the life of the challenged, ones interested in other pursuits than passing SAT, applying the very flexible "unfair to me" card.
    , @GermanReader2
    You can raise your kid's sat score dramatically by hiring the tutor Felicity Huffman employed.
  12. @Arclight
    I was just reading about a group of students planning to sue the CA university system to make them drop the ACT and SAT because blacks and Latinos do so much worth an whites (no mention of Asians). They claim these tests don’t have much predictive power for how a student does in college and that higher scores are due to wealthier students paying for test prep.

    I would guess that the first point is a lie, and the second could easily be disproven, not to mention I recall reading that test prep doesn’t raise score by more than a few percent, and certainly doesn’t account for the massive scoring gaps.
    • Replies: @Laurence Whelk
    Asians lost their People of Color status by committing the unforgivable sin of succeeding without White Gibs.
  13. Are we expected to believe that the proportion of students scoring advanced is 4x what it was 20 years ago while the test difficulty remains unchanged?

    Any evidence this improvement is real, or are they just playing scoring games? If it’s real, why the need to make the SAT easier recently?

  14. And this is without mentioning that while whites at their best had an excellent ethical framework, almost all Asians, even the best ones, see nepotism as a noble purpose and a major part of why they are alive. During the Twentieth Century Chinese Civil War, when nothing worked and the least chaotic Chinese cities were European colonies, family ties were still absolute law. For every one that earns it, he’ll use his position to accommodate every less qualified uncle and cousin he can fit.

    • Replies: @donvonburg
    That is their morality and even in the church we see this. Not as much but still, it's pretty hard wired in for them.

    Which is why I've come to a "slightly kinist" position: different ethnicities should , even when equally Christian, orthodox, catholic, and apostolic (lower case "o","c", and "a"!) when they exist in an area in sufficient numbers have their own church polities and churches. After years of believing the baffle gab, I now look at the Korean Presbyterian Church, the evangelical hispanophone churches, the Ethiopian church, with a certain sense of gratitude and appreciation that each of them is worshipping amongst themselves as they see fit.

    I was recently listening to some sermons by Chuck Baldwin and was dismayed to hear what sounded clearly like Black voices interjecting loudly, as black congregants do at black preachers (and at movies in theaters!) during points of emotional emphasis. I find that sort of thing discomfiting, as I did in observing the black theatrics at what was otherwise the solemn royal wedding with Markle married to the younger son of Charles and Diana. That is how God made blacks, apparently, and we whites were made to find it odd-and distressing. Just as there are reasons for separate nations there are reasons for separate churches.
    , @Dacian Julien Soros
    You are right, whites are less nepotistic. Just look at the White House.
  15. More Diversity = More Inequality

    Don’t worry: Affirmative Action, which per Sandra Day O’Connor, who did the peer reviewed calculation, will only be necessary for a few more years (less than a decade), will fix this.

    OT

    More Diversity = More Inequality + More Repression

    For anyone wondering about the racial/ethnic hierarchy in America and whether it’s still a free country.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    "he can't say the Holocaust is a factual, historical event"
     
    You mean to say there are really Hiroshima-deniers out there?


    It was long before Photoshop, but I suppose this could have been a particularly striking cumulonimbus cloud.


    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5c/62/d2/5c62d2d8bc5637f393267c0810831a19.jpg


    https://i.stack.imgur.com/O2s15.jpg
  16. GDP/productivity tracks with race and IQ.

    Murder/crime rates track with race and IQ.

    For some Halloween humor, check the “world map correlates IQ and penis size.”
    (Inverse correlation)

  17. @Neoconned
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7635781/Surveillance-footage-shows-Cuba-Gooding-Jr-groping-waitress-Tao.html?ico=pushly-notifcation-small

    "Forcible touching" is a law now?

    So basically when some drunk loser in a night club makes a joke about a woman in a hooker dress er excuse me "her club outfit" and then taps her on the rear(the brothers do it ALL THE TIME).....THAT IS NOW A SEX CRIME?

    Seriously this is a big reason I stopped going out to clubs. Aside from the fact women lol EXPECT FREE DRINKS.....and then excuse themselves to the restroom and vanish like a fart in the wind.

    Yeah after like the 4th time of having a girl ask me to buy her a drink and then having her vanish to the bathroom or "her girls" come pick her up and whisk her away.....i mean how many suckers are left to do that now that prostitution is near legal and most idiots in halfway decent shape can score using Tinder or ither date apps? I remember being 22 and dumb and hitting up a cigarette stinking casino night club and blowing near $80 a night on drinks for girls who then do the Houdini act

    After a few times and you actually WORKING FOE YOUR MONEY you kinda harden up and say "whats the use in this?"

    Say what you will about MGTOW, if touching a woman in a bar is a crime now I'm officially done with the bar scene

    “ Aside from the fact women lol EXPECT FREE DRINKS…..and then excuse themselves to the restroom and vanish like a fart in the wind.”

    If a pretty young woman at a big nightclub asks you to buy her a very specific drink, e.g., “a Barcadi and coke,” she may be getting paid to do so by a marketing company.

    “ and blowing near $80 a night on drinks for girls who then do the Houdini act”

    Never spend more than $25 on a first date.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    I was assuming that Neoconned was not on a date but buying the drinks to try to pick up a number of girls (not together, mind you, but ONE of them!). Neoconned has a baby now, so don't go taking that baby to the bars with you, as much as that might help break the ice (better than a lab even). ;-} As you wrote, you're done with the bar scene anyway.

    BTW, when your kid gets bigger you may want to go back to some of these new kinds of bars that have areas, usually outside, with the beanbag games and stuff for the kids. It's a good scene.
    , @Neoconned
    I wasn't even dating.

    Just young and stupid "cruising for chicks" at the club.

    I wanted you know what and 80 bucks at the time was worth it. But after a week or 2 of no action I threw in the towel and went back to internet dating, the big thing in the mid 00s.
  18. For fun let’s do a trial where the test is for 4th graders in the USA in 2019 using a test circa 1950?

    • LOL: nokangaroos
  19. @Lot
    “ Aside from the fact women lol EXPECT FREE DRINKS…..and then excuse themselves to the restroom and vanish like a fart in the wind.”

    If a pretty young woman at a big nightclub asks you to buy her a very specific drink, e.g., “a Barcadi and coke,” she may be getting paid to do so by a marketing company.

    “ and blowing near $80 a night on drinks for girls who then do the Houdini act”

    Never spend more than $25 on a first date.

    I was assuming that Neoconned was not on a date but buying the drinks to try to pick up a number of girls (not together, mind you, but ONE of them!). Neoconned has a baby now, so don’t go taking that baby to the bars with you, as much as that might help break the ice (better than a lab even). ;-} As you wrote, you’re done with the bar scene anyway.

    BTW, when your kid gets bigger you may want to go back to some of these new kinds of bars that have areas, usually outside, with the beanbag games and stuff for the kids. It’s a good scene.

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    I got a woman now so done with the cruising scene but yeah that was my 20s....looking stupid in expensive casino clubs looking for love.

    Bit older now so yeah....enjoying the arcades and Sesame Street episodes etc.

    Didn't want kids but glad I had one. Gives me something to brag about and a reason to work hard and reach far in life.
    , @Kronos
    The baby will cause more problems than solutions.

    https://www.casino.org/news/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/main_image-44766.jpg
  20. @res
    See this thread.
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/mexican-vs-asian-war-brewing-over-abolishing-sat-act-at-u-of-california/

    Asians lost their People of Color status by committing the unforgivable sin of succeeding without White Gibs.

  21. I did the La Griffe calculation to see the implied SD difference between Asians and whites, assuming normal curves with the same SD for both:
    1996: 0.23SD
    2000: 0.40SD
    2003: 0.40SD
    2007: 0.41SD
    2009: 0.44SD
    2011: 0.47SD
    2013: 0.49SD
    2015: 0.53SD
    2017: 0.50SD

    So the implied increase in the white-Asian gap from 2000 to 2017 was only from 0.40 to 0.50.
    The big SD jump was actually from 0.23 in 1996 to 0.40 in 2000.
    Of course it might not be 2 normal curves.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    Any idea if it’s Asian males or females taking the lead?
    , @Hail
    Good observation, Calvin Hobbes.

    If the 1996-to-2000 rise is real, what could be the explanations? The 1996-test children would have been born in 1985-1986, I think. The 2000-test children would have been born in 1989-1990.

    The birth-timing there intriguingly lines up with Tienanmen Square -- though I am sure it couldn't have affected the overall numbers much and couldn't explain more than a small portion at most of the change.

    What I mean is: Tens of thousands of mostly-young Chinese were granted carte-blanche green cards in 1989 and 1990, so long as they claimed to have supported the Tienanmen Square protest. The great majority of these (defacto) "green-card lottery winners" were of imminent child-bearing age.

    It's plausible that over 1% of the entire Asian population in the USA is of "Tiananmen Square stock," meaning that group of refugees, their US-born children, and, by now, even grandchildren.

    (52,000 green cards granted / 6,900,000 Asians in the US in 1990 = a one-time top-up of 0.75%; and assuming the green-card grantees were much younger on average, and of childbearing age, perhaps many with anchor-baby plans. The the iron-clad green-card law for them was only finally signed into law in Oct. 1992.)

  22. But in reality, More Diversity usually means More Inequality.

    Keep in mind, the “good whites” benefit the most from stoking inequality. So it’s a more of a win-win for them. More inequality means more grant money and publicity. Just ask the SPLC.

    How do you make money off the white oppression of Asians? It’s just not a cost effective strategy. They also read the contract in regards to consulting fees before they sign so that’s a problem.

  23. … we’re seeing a lot of hysteria building up among upper middle class whites to abolish testing in order to … in order to … in order to … punish Evil whites like Felicity Huffman for keeping the black child down! Yeah, that’s the ticket.

    Haha, you got these people pegged, Steve! Good one.

    BTW, I tried to find a good John Lovitz, the pathological liar, clip from SNL. No joy. Did Team Hildabeast pressure youtube to squash these, uhh, reminders? They’re not funny to her, so there’s no reason anyone should be seeing them.

  24. @Andy
    Funny how liberals push at the same time for open borders and less inequality. But you can't have both, you have to choose what you prefer.

    That is similar to how they push for a $15 minimum wage while simultaneously promoting mass immigration.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    I always figured each issue was supported by two different political wings of the Democratic Party. The Clintons “supported” minimum wage but always allowed Republicans to kill it or killed it themselves behind the scenes.

    The open boarders issue received genuine Clinton support.
    , @GermanReader2
    I have an acquaintance, who simultaneously is for lots of immigration, especially refugees, tries to block new construction in his neighborhood and now that the rents are skyrocketing because the city also attracts a lot of germans, campaigns for rent-control. At the same time he says that he needs to move in a few years, because he is getting old and his apartment does not have an elevator. Since all three of his pet projects shift the supply-demand curve to his detriment, I predict, he will have a hard time finding a new apartment.
  25. @J.Ross
    And this is without mentioning that while whites at their best had an excellent ethical framework, almost all Asians, even the best ones, see nepotism as a noble purpose and a major part of why they are alive. During the Twentieth Century Chinese Civil War, when nothing worked and the least chaotic Chinese cities were European colonies, family ties were still absolute law. For every one that earns it, he'll use his position to accommodate every less qualified uncle and cousin he can fit.

    That is their morality and even in the church we see this. Not as much but still, it’s pretty hard wired in for them.

    Which is why I’ve come to a “slightly kinist” position: different ethnicities should , even when equally Christian, orthodox, catholic, and apostolic (lower case “o”,”c”, and “a”!) when they exist in an area in sufficient numbers have their own church polities and churches. After years of believing the baffle gab, I now look at the Korean Presbyterian Church, the evangelical hispanophone churches, the Ethiopian church, with a certain sense of gratitude and appreciation that each of them is worshipping amongst themselves as they see fit.

    I was recently listening to some sermons by Chuck Baldwin and was dismayed to hear what sounded clearly like Black voices interjecting loudly, as black congregants do at black preachers (and at movies in theaters!) during points of emotional emphasis. I find that sort of thing discomfiting, as I did in observing the black theatrics at what was otherwise the solemn royal wedding with Markle married to the younger son of Charles and Diana. That is how God made blacks, apparently, and we whites were made to find it odd-and distressing. Just as there are reasons for separate nations there are reasons for separate churches.

    • Replies: @Amused Observer
    I attend a dissident conservative Presbyterian church (left the ELCA Lutherans because they are a left-wing front group, no longer a church). My current church is Asian and white. The Asians are Americanized. There is another conservative Presbterian church in my neighborhood which is all Asian, I think mostly Korean. From the people I see outside, they are first and second generation. My mostly white church attracts the third generation.

    You are right. We like to worship w/ people like us.
  26. @Peterike
    Peterike’s Law in graphic form.

    I bet Asians are more than 6% of the student population.

    I bet Asians are more than 6% of the student population.

    Jews should probably be classified as Asian, given their asserted origins in Palestine. What does the graph look like then?

  27. No matter how hard K’wanzaa tries,
    He’ll never be one of the guys
    Who will win a Nobel,
    So the Equalists sell
    Him their snake oil of equalist lies.

  28. @Steve2
    Asians are smart and are locked onto achievement via hard work. Good for them.

    Whites are actually doing quite well based on the actual data.

    WTs should whine less and study more. I suspect that many WTs are just lazy bums.

    Whites are actually doing quite well based on the actual data.

    The Whites doing well are Jews and the upper class of other Middle Eastern groups.

  29. @Steve2
    Asians are smart and are locked onto achievement via hard work. Good for them.

    Whites are actually doing quite well based on the actual data.

    WTs should whine less and study more. I suspect that many WTs are just lazy bums.

    A lot of smart whites are very lazy. They will not prep or study. They will still score well on tests, but not as well as smart/smarter Asians who study their asses off. In any case, there is no class difference in Chinese test scores. Poor Chinese do as well on tests as rich Chinese. Also, I know very few whites or Blacks who are willing to work as hard, on any job involving manual labor, as Mexicans are. I can think of a few whites and Blacks who retired about ten years ago who worked as hard, but none currently working. I have an employee from Mexico who I actually had to ask my supervisor to tell to slow down, because she literally worked like a machine and I was afraid she would hurt herself. We had to give her a special tape dispenser because her wrists started to hurt. She covers book jackets and while most people cover 250 or less in a shift, she covers 450 or more. She really has a hard time backing off even a little. The people on the sorting end of her hate her because she makes a lot of work for them. Many Chinese restaurant owners, and contractors, are hiring Mexicans, because they out work Asians for less pay. My uncle died and I am going through probate with his house and asked the Chinese born maintenance engineer at work what to do about the state of disrepair the house is in. He used to work with
    all Chinese crews, now he told me to hire Mexicans and recommended another Mexican co-worker for the job.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    If Mexicans are so good, why are they paid so little? This part of immigration advocacy does not compute.

    This lady you describe would be making a killing from piecework. She should work for Lincoln Electric.


    https://jobs.lincolnelectric.com/go/Piecework-Production-Jobs/3300301/
    , @Anonymous

    A lot of smart whites are very lazy. They will not prep or study. They will still score well on tests, but not as well as smart/smarter Asians who study their asses off.
     
    It doesn’t make rational sense to invest in prep or studying when you will be beaten by Asians anyways. So what if the margin of defeat is slightly less.

    Also, I know very few whites or Blacks who are willing to work as hard, on any job involving manual labor, as Mexicans are.... She covers book jackets and while most people cover 250 or less in a shift, she covers 450 or more.
     
    Native born Whites and Blacks cannot compete with that. What is the point of even trying? That is why Mexican immigration needs to be curbed. They take our jobs.
    , @Laurence Whelk

    A lot of smart whites are very lazy. They will not prep or study.
     
    They're not lazy. They just know that studying is "acting white", and the last thing a young white person in the current year wants to been seen doing is acting white.
    , @Tusk
    If only white people would work for a few cents an hour, then we would be powerful! American racialists like Lotrhop Stoddard figured this out a 100 years ago, but instead of listening it has been ignored completely.
    , @Amerimutt Golems


    A lot of smart whites are very lazy. They will not prep or study. They will still score well on tests, but not as well as smart/smarter Asians who study their asses off. In any case, there is no class difference in Chinese test scores.

     

    That is recycled propaganda.

    Asians (especially recent arrivals) are usually morally bankrupt by West European standards. 'Hard work' is often just code for cutting corners.

    A Chinese Cheating Ring at UCLA Reveals an Industry Devoted to Helping International Students Scam Grades
    https://www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/ucla-cheating/

    SAT Scores of Asian Students Cancelled Over Cheating
    https://www.voanews.com/student-union/sat-scores-asian-students-cancelled-over-cheating

    As for doing business, quanxi is the Chinese version of kosher nostra. Both are used to outcompete people of European descent.
    , @Anonymous
    'Covers book jackets'.

    Pffft.

    If you were talking about shovelling coal, you might, might, just have a point.
    , @bomag

    ...he told me to hire Mexicans and recommended another Mexican co-worker
     
    I take it these are Mexican nationals.

    How about their kids who are born and raised in the US? Their achievement barely charts above Blacks.

    So we get a one generation uptick in performance, followed by languishing forevermore; a cosmically bad deal.

    We are so much better off if we take care of who is already here; a trained and motivated white person is one of the most productive assets ever. If we can't grow and maintain our own workforce, that is the thing to fix; or not even have the jobs, rather than import a long-term bad investment.
    , @Old and grumpy
    Lazy whites means not studying? Then our pasty faced kids are doing pretty good. I've often thought all testing should be done on unannounced random days to actually test a kid's random smarts.

    As for hard working Mexicans, take away the supervisor. Then tell me about their work skills.
  30. @donvonburg
    That is their morality and even in the church we see this. Not as much but still, it's pretty hard wired in for them.

    Which is why I've come to a "slightly kinist" position: different ethnicities should , even when equally Christian, orthodox, catholic, and apostolic (lower case "o","c", and "a"!) when they exist in an area in sufficient numbers have their own church polities and churches. After years of believing the baffle gab, I now look at the Korean Presbyterian Church, the evangelical hispanophone churches, the Ethiopian church, with a certain sense of gratitude and appreciation that each of them is worshipping amongst themselves as they see fit.

    I was recently listening to some sermons by Chuck Baldwin and was dismayed to hear what sounded clearly like Black voices interjecting loudly, as black congregants do at black preachers (and at movies in theaters!) during points of emotional emphasis. I find that sort of thing discomfiting, as I did in observing the black theatrics at what was otherwise the solemn royal wedding with Markle married to the younger son of Charles and Diana. That is how God made blacks, apparently, and we whites were made to find it odd-and distressing. Just as there are reasons for separate nations there are reasons for separate churches.

    I attend a dissident conservative Presbyterian church (left the ELCA Lutherans because they are a left-wing front group, no longer a church). My current church is Asian and white. The Asians are Americanized. There is another conservative Presbterian church in my neighborhood which is all Asian, I think mostly Korean. From the people I see outside, they are first and second generation. My mostly white church attracts the third generation.

    You are right. We like to worship w/ people like us.

  31. @Peterike
    Peterike’s Law in graphic form.

    I bet Asians are more than 6% of the student population.

    True , Asians are 6% of the US population but 9% of elementary students are Asian.

  32. @Steve2
    Asians are smart and are locked onto achievement via hard work. Good for them.

    Whites are actually doing quite well based on the actual data.

    WTs should whine less and study more. I suspect that many WTs are just lazy bums.

    I don’t think white kids are lazy. They’re just more cynical/pragmatic and rightfully so. Most school work is mainly busywork. Most curriculums/grades are geared toward GPA than test scores. The former rewards hard work more than IQ. (Also, Asians are some of the biggest cheaters that ever cheated.)

    https://educationrealist.wordpress.com/2013/10/08/asian-immigrants-and-what-no-one-mentions-aloud/

    But Asians behave rather well and at least pretend to give a damn about schoolwork.

    Also, great jobs straight out of High School/College are very few and far between. Why burn yourself out? If companies were paying good wages for good work that’s another story. But the white kids understand they’ll very likely share the equality of minimum wage jobs regardless of IQ and/or effort.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    whites are pragmatic
    I agree with this. Asians (deliberate conflation, this is Bosphorus to Alaska) believe in the visible show of effort, even when it's pointless, and a more pragmatic person would use that time to do something else. I knew a perfectly intelligent Asian who would buy relatively cheaper unruled paper, then sit with a ruler and a pen and make lines on it. Extremely time consuming and how much more expensive could ruled paper possibly be? When I was briefly in China getting a Potemkin version of the Chinese college student experience, I had to attend something we could definitely use over here: the evening mandatory supervised study session. It's pretty much detention, but universal, and not as punishment. The idea isn't so much that you have to be made to study as here's a way for you to be able to ask questions while you're studying. And, while I was the only one who used it to stidy, nobody was getting drunk or pregnant.
  33. But in reality, More Diversity usually means More Inequality.

    That’s because inequality is a form of diversity itself. This is tautological.

  34. @Michelle
    A lot of smart whites are very lazy. They will not prep or study. They will still score well on tests, but not as well as smart/smarter Asians who study their asses off. In any case, there is no class difference in Chinese test scores. Poor Chinese do as well on tests as rich Chinese. Also, I know very few whites or Blacks who are willing to work as hard, on any job involving manual labor, as Mexicans are. I can think of a few whites and Blacks who retired about ten years ago who worked as hard, but none currently working. I have an employee from Mexico who I actually had to ask my supervisor to tell to slow down, because she literally worked like a machine and I was afraid she would hurt herself. We had to give her a special tape dispenser because her wrists started to hurt. She covers book jackets and while most people cover 250 or less in a shift, she covers 450 or more. She really has a hard time backing off even a little. The people on the sorting end of her hate her because she makes a lot of work for them. Many Chinese restaurant owners, and contractors, are hiring Mexicans, because they out work Asians for less pay. My uncle died and I am going through probate with his house and asked the Chinese born maintenance engineer at work what to do about the state of disrepair the house is in. He used to work with
    all Chinese crews, now he told me to hire Mexicans and recommended another Mexican co-worker for the job.

    If Mexicans are so good, why are they paid so little? This part of immigration advocacy does not compute.

    This lady you describe would be making a killing from piecework. She should work for Lincoln Electric.

    https://jobs.lincolnelectric.com/go/Piecework-Production-Jobs/3300301/

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    That's why Mexicans are great Reg, you don't have to pay them as much.
  35. Diversity is Good

    Inequality is Bad

    But in reality, More Diversity usually means More Inequality.

    Does not compute.

    The problem is that the two things we are supposed to achieve — “diversity” and “equality” — are essentially antonyms. Is everyone is supposed to be similarly different, or different in the same way? And if a “community” is a group with shared commonalities, how can we have “diverse communities?” The more diversity, the less community.

    The cognitive dissonance of trying to think like a leftist is making my head hurt already.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting

    The cognitive dissonance of trying to think like a leftist is making my head hurt already.
     
    As has been mentioned around here a couple of times, if you want to understand the woke folk, think like a Puritan.

    God (these days the God of wokeness, whatever that is) is good.

    I want to be like God, therefore I will be good.

    The local pastor (woke leader) will tell me what is good. They are infallible since they are the true representatives of God.

    I am unconcerned with the practical consequences of being good.

    If bad things happen because I am good then it was God's will.

    Those who oppose God's will are evil.

    Evil people must be silenced--whatever it takes.

    Witch-burning after supper, don't miss it.
  36. @eah
    More Diversity = More Inequality

    Don't worry: Affirmative Action, which per Sandra Day O'Connor, who did the peer reviewed calculation, will only be necessary for a few more years (less than a decade), will fix this.

    OT

    More Diversity = More Inequality + More Repression

    For anyone wondering about the racial/ethnic hierarchy in America and whether it's still a free country.
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIPOQT-XYAAlzWv.jpg

    “he can’t say the Holocaust is a factual, historical event”

    You mean to say there are really Hiroshima-deniers out there?

    It was long before Photoshop, but I suppose this could have been a particularly striking cumulonimbus cloud.

  37. @Kronos
    I don’t think white kids are lazy. They’re just more cynical/pragmatic and rightfully so. Most school work is mainly busywork. Most curriculums/grades are geared toward GPA than test scores. The former rewards hard work more than IQ. (Also, Asians are some of the biggest cheaters that ever cheated.)

    https://educationrealist.wordpress.com/2013/10/08/asian-immigrants-and-what-no-one-mentions-aloud/

    But Asians behave rather well and at least pretend to give a damn about schoolwork.

    Also, great jobs straight out of High School/College are very few and far between. Why burn yourself out? If companies were paying good wages for good work that’s another story. But the white kids understand they’ll very likely share the equality of minimum wage jobs regardless of IQ and/or effort.

    https://youtu.be/6Dzp3-JY3qI

    whites are pragmatic
    I agree with this. Asians (deliberate conflation, this is Bosphorus to Alaska) believe in the visible show of effort, even when it’s pointless, and a more pragmatic person would use that time to do something else. I knew a perfectly intelligent Asian who would buy relatively cheaper unruled paper, then sit with a ruler and a pen and make lines on it. Extremely time consuming and how much more expensive could ruled paper possibly be? When I was briefly in China getting a Potemkin version of the Chinese college student experience, I had to attend something we could definitely use over here: the evening mandatory supervised study session. It’s pretty much detention, but universal, and not as punishment. The idea isn’t so much that you have to be made to study as here’s a way for you to be able to ask questions while you’re studying. And, while I was the only one who used it to stidy, nobody was getting drunk or pregnant.

  38. Anonymous[189] • Disclaimer says:
    @Michelle
    A lot of smart whites are very lazy. They will not prep or study. They will still score well on tests, but not as well as smart/smarter Asians who study their asses off. In any case, there is no class difference in Chinese test scores. Poor Chinese do as well on tests as rich Chinese. Also, I know very few whites or Blacks who are willing to work as hard, on any job involving manual labor, as Mexicans are. I can think of a few whites and Blacks who retired about ten years ago who worked as hard, but none currently working. I have an employee from Mexico who I actually had to ask my supervisor to tell to slow down, because she literally worked like a machine and I was afraid she would hurt herself. We had to give her a special tape dispenser because her wrists started to hurt. She covers book jackets and while most people cover 250 or less in a shift, she covers 450 or more. She really has a hard time backing off even a little. The people on the sorting end of her hate her because she makes a lot of work for them. Many Chinese restaurant owners, and contractors, are hiring Mexicans, because they out work Asians for less pay. My uncle died and I am going through probate with his house and asked the Chinese born maintenance engineer at work what to do about the state of disrepair the house is in. He used to work with
    all Chinese crews, now he told me to hire Mexicans and recommended another Mexican co-worker for the job.

    A lot of smart whites are very lazy. They will not prep or study. They will still score well on tests, but not as well as smart/smarter Asians who study their asses off.

    It doesn’t make rational sense to invest in prep or studying when you will be beaten by Asians anyways. So what if the margin of defeat is slightly less.

    Also, I know very few whites or Blacks who are willing to work as hard, on any job involving manual labor, as Mexicans are…. She covers book jackets and while most people cover 250 or less in a shift, she covers 450 or more.

    Native born Whites and Blacks cannot compete with that. What is the point of even trying? That is why Mexican immigration needs to be curbed. They take our jobs.

    • Replies: @Laurence Whelk

    It doesn’t make rational sense to invest in prep or studying when you will be beaten by Asians anyways.
     
    And the Dindus will be spotted 200 points and given another jump in line for "personality".
    , @AnonFinn
    Whites earn 1,3-1,5-times more than their european counterparts, so "losing to asians" is not all that bad.
    Secondly adademic rank does not always translate to higher income/status. STEM-phd from a top college might not make as much money as a MD from a rural college, even though the former is in most cases the smarter one.
    I don't think that even exceptionally smart whites can get to medical schools by doing consistently the very minimum. If the margin of defeat means a 2nd-3rd rate engineering degree instead of MD then he effect on income might be quite big.

    If the mexicans really were on average more hardworking than whites, blacks or asians, why would you want to limit their share of the population.
  39. @Peterike
    Peterike’s Law in graphic form.

    I bet Asians are more than 6% of the student population.

    False.

    Peterike’s Law is the following :

    “99% of White Trashionalism is nothing more than the bottom decile of white men getting angry that the bottom decile of white women are now allowed to avoid them.”

  40. Interesting what this means for the “Counter-Narrative”. Political correctness is bad. Inequality is ok. Meritocracy is good. Let the chips fall where they may.

    But dirty, smelly, noisy Asians. Go back to where you came from.

    *clubs white woman on her head and drags her into cave to procreate*

    Native American whimpers: but this land…

    *exasperated sighs at this inconvenient nuisance being raised*

  41. @Anonymous

    A lot of smart whites are very lazy. They will not prep or study. They will still score well on tests, but not as well as smart/smarter Asians who study their asses off.
     
    It doesn’t make rational sense to invest in prep or studying when you will be beaten by Asians anyways. So what if the margin of defeat is slightly less.

    Also, I know very few whites or Blacks who are willing to work as hard, on any job involving manual labor, as Mexicans are.... She covers book jackets and while most people cover 250 or less in a shift, she covers 450 or more.
     
    Native born Whites and Blacks cannot compete with that. What is the point of even trying? That is why Mexican immigration needs to be curbed. They take our jobs.

    It doesn’t make rational sense to invest in prep or studying when you will be beaten by Asians anyways.

    And the Dindus will be spotted 200 points and given another jump in line for “personality”.

  42. @Michelle
    A lot of smart whites are very lazy. They will not prep or study. They will still score well on tests, but not as well as smart/smarter Asians who study their asses off. In any case, there is no class difference in Chinese test scores. Poor Chinese do as well on tests as rich Chinese. Also, I know very few whites or Blacks who are willing to work as hard, on any job involving manual labor, as Mexicans are. I can think of a few whites and Blacks who retired about ten years ago who worked as hard, but none currently working. I have an employee from Mexico who I actually had to ask my supervisor to tell to slow down, because she literally worked like a machine and I was afraid she would hurt herself. We had to give her a special tape dispenser because her wrists started to hurt. She covers book jackets and while most people cover 250 or less in a shift, she covers 450 or more. She really has a hard time backing off even a little. The people on the sorting end of her hate her because she makes a lot of work for them. Many Chinese restaurant owners, and contractors, are hiring Mexicans, because they out work Asians for less pay. My uncle died and I am going through probate with his house and asked the Chinese born maintenance engineer at work what to do about the state of disrepair the house is in. He used to work with
    all Chinese crews, now he told me to hire Mexicans and recommended another Mexican co-worker for the job.

    A lot of smart whites are very lazy. They will not prep or study.

    They’re not lazy. They just know that studying is “acting white”, and the last thing a young white person in the current year wants to been seen doing is acting white.

    • LOL: fnn
    • Replies: @Kronos
    It’s not too far off. White males seem to be the most demasculinized group portrayed in the media. (Maybe it’s the reason white men listen to rap so much?) When I think white, I think of the Dave Chappelle white impersonation.

    https://youtu.be/neUsrOzJ8T8

    , @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    Yes, sadly young white people are turning into a poor man's negro.

    The parents share a good deal of the blame in this too, especially the fathers, for failing to input the work ethic and civilizational values.

    I absolutely support white interests over all others, but there's no doubt that people of just about all races out-hustle whites, especially younger whites (under 65) on every front.

    That said when a whitey does hustle (like me) he can kick any ass, including the bug asian people. The key is unlocking that potential and it starts with proper, unashamed parenting.
  43. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7629931/amp/Inside-city-siege-armed-children-young-EIGHT-rob-bash-locals.html?ico=amp_moreTopStories

    So there’s this city in Australia where “youths” are stealing cars and gang assaulting adults….were talking 11 YR OLDS CARJACKING PPL….

    this is Australia but the blurred images of the “youths” makes me wonder….are these African immigrants or aborigines running amock?

    And if they are Africans who the he’ll let them into small town nowhere Australia?

    I’d LOVE to see them try this crap on the mean ads red neck cops where I grew up.

    I recall seeing a group of 20 black kids out at 11pm one night. 8 city squad cars and 4 sheriff’s pulled up and started slamming them on cars…..

  44. @Lot
    “ Aside from the fact women lol EXPECT FREE DRINKS…..and then excuse themselves to the restroom and vanish like a fart in the wind.”

    If a pretty young woman at a big nightclub asks you to buy her a very specific drink, e.g., “a Barcadi and coke,” she may be getting paid to do so by a marketing company.

    “ and blowing near $80 a night on drinks for girls who then do the Houdini act”

    Never spend more than $25 on a first date.

    I wasn’t even dating.

    Just young and stupid “cruising for chicks” at the club.

    I wanted you know what and 80 bucks at the time was worth it. But after a week or 2 of no action I threw in the towel and went back to internet dating, the big thing in the mid 00s.

    • Replies: @Kronos

    But after a week or 2 of no action I threw in the towel and went back to internet dating, the big thing in the mid 00s.
     
    It’s still a big thing. Though the technology has improved with apps.

    BTW the hookup seen in Portland really is this bad.

    https://youtu.be/bLoRPielarA
    , @Thea
    If you must fornicate( it’s a sin so I suggest you don’t), then just hire a prostitute. It’s more honest and you both know what you’ll get.

    This is how it was done in Ancient Greece, the Middle Ages, early industrial years up until the 20 th century.

    Dating and bar hopping aren’t successful ways to find an actual wife. It’s better to get to know someone over times through school , church, mutual friendship or the neighborhood. It’s low pressure and lets you see their true character. Plus no money spent.

  45. @Achmed E. Newman
    I was assuming that Neoconned was not on a date but buying the drinks to try to pick up a number of girls (not together, mind you, but ONE of them!). Neoconned has a baby now, so don't go taking that baby to the bars with you, as much as that might help break the ice (better than a lab even). ;-} As you wrote, you're done with the bar scene anyway.

    BTW, when your kid gets bigger you may want to go back to some of these new kinds of bars that have areas, usually outside, with the beanbag games and stuff for the kids. It's a good scene.

    I got a woman now so done with the cruising scene but yeah that was my 20s….looking stupid in expensive casino clubs looking for love.

    Bit older now so yeah….enjoying the arcades and Sesame Street episodes etc.

    Didn’t want kids but glad I had one. Gives me something to brag about and a reason to work hard and reach far in life.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    It's gonna make you live better for one more reason. You will realize that everything you do is setting an example for that kid. The way you and your woman do things is ALL he knows right now. Try to show him the right way. It's hard!
  46. @Michelle
    A lot of smart whites are very lazy. They will not prep or study. They will still score well on tests, but not as well as smart/smarter Asians who study their asses off. In any case, there is no class difference in Chinese test scores. Poor Chinese do as well on tests as rich Chinese. Also, I know very few whites or Blacks who are willing to work as hard, on any job involving manual labor, as Mexicans are. I can think of a few whites and Blacks who retired about ten years ago who worked as hard, but none currently working. I have an employee from Mexico who I actually had to ask my supervisor to tell to slow down, because she literally worked like a machine and I was afraid she would hurt herself. We had to give her a special tape dispenser because her wrists started to hurt. She covers book jackets and while most people cover 250 or less in a shift, she covers 450 or more. She really has a hard time backing off even a little. The people on the sorting end of her hate her because she makes a lot of work for them. Many Chinese restaurant owners, and contractors, are hiring Mexicans, because they out work Asians for less pay. My uncle died and I am going through probate with his house and asked the Chinese born maintenance engineer at work what to do about the state of disrepair the house is in. He used to work with
    all Chinese crews, now he told me to hire Mexicans and recommended another Mexican co-worker for the job.

    If only white people would work for a few cents an hour, then we would be powerful! American racialists like Lotrhop Stoddard figured this out a 100 years ago, but instead of listening it has been ignored completely.

  47. @Achmed E. Newman
    I was assuming that Neoconned was not on a date but buying the drinks to try to pick up a number of girls (not together, mind you, but ONE of them!). Neoconned has a baby now, so don't go taking that baby to the bars with you, as much as that might help break the ice (better than a lab even). ;-} As you wrote, you're done with the bar scene anyway.

    BTW, when your kid gets bigger you may want to go back to some of these new kinds of bars that have areas, usually outside, with the beanbag games and stuff for the kids. It's a good scene.

    The baby will cause more problems than solutions.

  48. @Laurence Whelk

    A lot of smart whites are very lazy. They will not prep or study.
     
    They're not lazy. They just know that studying is "acting white", and the last thing a young white person in the current year wants to been seen doing is acting white.

    It’s not too far off. White males seem to be the most demasculinized group portrayed in the media. (Maybe it’s the reason white men listen to rap so much?) When I think white, I think of the Dave Chappelle white impersonation.

  49. @Anonymous

    A lot of smart whites are very lazy. They will not prep or study. They will still score well on tests, but not as well as smart/smarter Asians who study their asses off.
     
    It doesn’t make rational sense to invest in prep or studying when you will be beaten by Asians anyways. So what if the margin of defeat is slightly less.

    Also, I know very few whites or Blacks who are willing to work as hard, on any job involving manual labor, as Mexicans are.... She covers book jackets and while most people cover 250 or less in a shift, she covers 450 or more.
     
    Native born Whites and Blacks cannot compete with that. What is the point of even trying? That is why Mexican immigration needs to be curbed. They take our jobs.

    Whites earn 1,3-1,5-times more than their european counterparts, so “losing to asians” is not all that bad.
    Secondly adademic rank does not always translate to higher income/status. STEM-phd from a top college might not make as much money as a MD from a rural college, even though the former is in most cases the smarter one.
    I don’t think that even exceptionally smart whites can get to medical schools by doing consistently the very minimum. If the margin of defeat means a 2nd-3rd rate engineering degree instead of MD then he effect on income might be quite big.

    If the mexicans really were on average more hardworking than whites, blacks or asians, why would you want to limit their share of the population.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Because our goal in life is to be us and not them? Mestizos work really hard in a white run country where they figure on having a lot of kids and the right stuff for inter-group status, but when it isn’t white run any more, you get Mexico.

    Mestizos don’t read books, don’t support any culture above the telenovela and ranchero music, and produce a society where the toilets barely function.

    I don’t hate mestizos. I just don’t want to live in their world.
    , @Monsieur le Baron
    Because if you don't limit their share of the population, America will become Mexico. Their diligence is counterbalanced by their dumbness. Their IQ tests seem to average 90, so almost as dumb as blacks. Blacks have been around a long time and therefore have a right to be cared for, but importing more future headaches is a bad plan.

    Watching old shows, all the mammies were black. The chefs were black too. Black gardeners. Growing up, I saw Mexicans filling these roles. They are displacing natives.
    , @Anonymous

    If the mexicans really were on average more hardworking than whites, blacks or asians, why would you want to limit their share of the population?
     
    Simple: Because they outcompete native born Americans for jobs.
    , @anon
    becoming a second tier citizen in the country our ancestors created is the worst that could happen look what happened when the jews took full power in the 60s , they trasformed a cohesive secure and the first industrial powerhouse of the world in an opioum ridden desindustrialized shithole .

    america was founded by europeans using european institucion as a guide and european culture as a compass ,400 years of sacrifice to trasform it in powerfull country at the world stage at continental scale thats why we earn 10-15% more than our brothers in the other side of the atlantic and was made by europeans without the help of anybody else.


    we dont need nor want any non european in this country if we needed smarter people we could easily aply eugenesic and improve our people in a couple of generation
    , @XYZ (no Mr.)
    Is this a serious question? Who gives a damn about how hard Mexicans work. The question about immigrants should ALWAYS be how their children will assimilate and prosper in America. I do think many Hispanic Americans are patriotic -- amazingly in this divided age -- but in California and elsewhere are not able to join the ranks of the very educated or skilled in any large numbers, and they are already the majority in this state. And American Hispanics certainly do not outwork American whites -- which is the only measurement that actually matters....unless your real point is forever immigration is required to keep this land afloat. In that case you have a lot in common with Bill Kristol.
  50. @Neoconned
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7635781/Surveillance-footage-shows-Cuba-Gooding-Jr-groping-waitress-Tao.html?ico=pushly-notifcation-small

    "Forcible touching" is a law now?

    So basically when some drunk loser in a night club makes a joke about a woman in a hooker dress er excuse me "her club outfit" and then taps her on the rear(the brothers do it ALL THE TIME).....THAT IS NOW A SEX CRIME?

    Seriously this is a big reason I stopped going out to clubs. Aside from the fact women lol EXPECT FREE DRINKS.....and then excuse themselves to the restroom and vanish like a fart in the wind.

    Yeah after like the 4th time of having a girl ask me to buy her a drink and then having her vanish to the bathroom or "her girls" come pick her up and whisk her away.....i mean how many suckers are left to do that now that prostitution is near legal and most idiots in halfway decent shape can score using Tinder or ither date apps? I remember being 22 and dumb and hitting up a cigarette stinking casino night club and blowing near $80 a night on drinks for girls who then do the Houdini act

    After a few times and you actually WORKING FOE YOUR MONEY you kinda harden up and say "whats the use in this?"

    Say what you will about MGTOW, if touching a woman in a bar is a crime now I'm officially done with the bar scene

    Jesus, man, Heartiste started writing more than 12 years ago and you’re still buying girls drinks in bars?

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    Who needs Heatiste? Everyone but suckers should have figured that out about girls and lunch money--in the First Grade. It translates to drinks.
  51. @Neoconned
    I wasn't even dating.

    Just young and stupid "cruising for chicks" at the club.

    I wanted you know what and 80 bucks at the time was worth it. But after a week or 2 of no action I threw in the towel and went back to internet dating, the big thing in the mid 00s.

    But after a week or 2 of no action I threw in the towel and went back to internet dating, the big thing in the mid 00s.

    It’s still a big thing. Though the technology has improved with apps.

    BTW the hookup seen in Portland really is this bad.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Wow, something that's actually funny!
  52. @Calvin Hobbes
    I did the La Griffe calculation to see the implied SD difference between Asians and whites, assuming normal curves with the same SD for both:
    1996: 0.23SD
    2000: 0.40SD
    2003: 0.40SD
    2007: 0.41SD
    2009: 0.44SD
    2011: 0.47SD
    2013: 0.49SD
    2015: 0.53SD
    2017: 0.50SD

    So the implied increase in the white-Asian gap from 2000 to 2017 was only from 0.40 to 0.50.
    The big SD jump was actually from 0.23 in 1996 to 0.40 in 2000.
    Of course it might not be 2 normal curves.

    Any idea if it’s Asian males or females taking the lead?

  53. @Reg Cæsar
    If Mexicans are so good, why are they paid so little? This part of immigration advocacy does not compute.

    This lady you describe would be making a killing from piecework. She should work for Lincoln Electric.


    https://jobs.lincolnelectric.com/go/Piecework-Production-Jobs/3300301/

    That’s why Mexicans are great Reg, you don’t have to pay them as much.

    • LOL: The Anti-Gnostic
  54. @istevefan
    That is similar to how they push for a $15 minimum wage while simultaneously promoting mass immigration.

    I always figured each issue was supported by two different political wings of the Democratic Party. The Clintons “supported” minimum wage but always allowed Republicans to kill it or killed it themselves behind the scenes.

    The open boarders issue received genuine Clinton support.

    • Replies: @GermanReader2
    There are a lot of Democrats like Aoc and practically all from California, who support both issues at the same time. In my opinion, this is a tacit admission, that immigration lowers wages and an attempt to fix this.
  55. the 1973 Belmont horse race

    The Belmont Stakes is among the weirder of sporting events. The level of interest depends entirely on what happens at the Preakness a couple of weeks earlier.

    If that matches what happened in Louisville, the world is transfixed. If not, few care. Effectively, Elmont is a suburb of Baltimore, not NYC.

    Conversely, NAEP scores explain events in Baltimore rather than the other way around.

    There is a species of “Preakness factor” in crime coverage. You have a spectacular crime (the Derby), and once the demographic information is revealed (the Preakness), said coverage explodes or implodes according to the Narrative. Or Plot, if you prefer.

    What are the Preakness factors in test scores that either inflame or quash interest in them? And yes, they’ll be different, even contradictory, for us and Them.

    Oh, and the Belmont is a longer haul than the other two. By a couple of furlongs.

  56. We were supposed to have already interbred into a coffee-with-cream complected idiocracy by now, 2044 at the latest.

  57. Anonymous[385] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnonFinn
    Whites earn 1,3-1,5-times more than their european counterparts, so "losing to asians" is not all that bad.
    Secondly adademic rank does not always translate to higher income/status. STEM-phd from a top college might not make as much money as a MD from a rural college, even though the former is in most cases the smarter one.
    I don't think that even exceptionally smart whites can get to medical schools by doing consistently the very minimum. If the margin of defeat means a 2nd-3rd rate engineering degree instead of MD then he effect on income might be quite big.

    If the mexicans really were on average more hardworking than whites, blacks or asians, why would you want to limit their share of the population.

    Because our goal in life is to be us and not them? Mestizos work really hard in a white run country where they figure on having a lot of kids and the right stuff for inter-group status, but when it isn’t white run any more, you get Mexico.

    Mestizos don’t read books, don’t support any culture above the telenovela and ranchero music, and produce a society where the toilets barely function.

    I don’t hate mestizos. I just don’t want to live in their world.

    • Agree: Charon
    • Replies: @AnonFinn
    Ain't it convenient that "objectively competent" manual labourers happen to have massive negative externalities?
    If you deport the illegals and balance high NAM-fertility with increased visas for college graduates from say top 500 colleges, I don't see the problem.

    (Mostly) White leaders and dutiful workers.
  58. @AnonFinn
    Whites earn 1,3-1,5-times more than their european counterparts, so "losing to asians" is not all that bad.
    Secondly adademic rank does not always translate to higher income/status. STEM-phd from a top college might not make as much money as a MD from a rural college, even though the former is in most cases the smarter one.
    I don't think that even exceptionally smart whites can get to medical schools by doing consistently the very minimum. If the margin of defeat means a 2nd-3rd rate engineering degree instead of MD then he effect on income might be quite big.

    If the mexicans really were on average more hardworking than whites, blacks or asians, why would you want to limit their share of the population.

    Because if you don’t limit their share of the population, America will become Mexico. Their diligence is counterbalanced by their dumbness. Their IQ tests seem to average 90, so almost as dumb as blacks. Blacks have been around a long time and therefore have a right to be cared for, but importing more future headaches is a bad plan.

    Watching old shows, all the mammies were black. The chefs were black too. Black gardeners. Growing up, I saw Mexicans filling these roles. They are displacing natives.

    • Replies: @AnonFinn

    Watching old shows, all the mammies were black. The chefs were black too. Black gardeners. Growing up, I saw Mexicans filling these roles. They are displacing natives.
     
    Someone needs to manage the dull hardworking ethnicities, increasing middle class white employment.
    The whites that can't compete with mexicans for the managerial positions don't deserve shit imo and the ones that are too lazy to merit blue-collar jobs are even worthless.
  59. @Calvin Hobbes
    I did the La Griffe calculation to see the implied SD difference between Asians and whites, assuming normal curves with the same SD for both:
    1996: 0.23SD
    2000: 0.40SD
    2003: 0.40SD
    2007: 0.41SD
    2009: 0.44SD
    2011: 0.47SD
    2013: 0.49SD
    2015: 0.53SD
    2017: 0.50SD

    So the implied increase in the white-Asian gap from 2000 to 2017 was only from 0.40 to 0.50.
    The big SD jump was actually from 0.23 in 1996 to 0.40 in 2000.
    Of course it might not be 2 normal curves.

    Good observation, Calvin Hobbes.

    If the 1996-to-2000 rise is real, what could be the explanations? The 1996-test children would have been born in 1985-1986, I think. The 2000-test children would have been born in 1989-1990.

    The birth-timing there intriguingly lines up with Tienanmen Square — though I am sure it couldn’t have affected the overall numbers much and couldn’t explain more than a small portion at most of the change.

    What I mean is: Tens of thousands of mostly-young Chinese were granted carte-blanche green cards in 1989 and 1990, so long as they claimed to have supported the Tienanmen Square protest. The great majority of these (defacto) “green-card lottery winners” were of imminent child-bearing age.

    It’s plausible that over 1% of the entire Asian population in the USA is of “Tiananmen Square stock,” meaning that group of refugees, their US-born children, and, by now, even grandchildren.

    (52,000 green cards granted / 6,900,000 Asians in the US in 1990 = a one-time top-up of 0.75%; and assuming the green-card grantees were much younger on average, and of childbearing age, perhaps many with anchor-baby plans. The the iron-clad green-card law for them was only finally signed into law in Oct. 1992.)

    • Replies: @anon
    As a group, Chinese probably do better on tests than Vietnamese, Hmong, Phillippinos, etc. Plus as you point out the Chinese who emigrated in the early 90's would likely have been more motivated than others.
    , @Calvin Hobbes
    Like you (and anon[123]) say, the 1996-2000 jump in the implicit gap might be partly a change in the composition of the Asian cohort.

    And it might be that up there at the top levels (like in 1996), the Asian percentiles and the white percentiles don’t line up quite the way they would for two shifted normal curves.

    It would be interesting to see how all the percentiles line up for each year, to see how good the fit to the “shifted normal curves” model is.

  60. ‘Diversity is Good’.
    ‘Inequality is Bad’.

    Of course, there’s only one time-honored way the left/Economist squares this particular circle – the same answer it parrots out to *absolutely everything*, that is “let’s blame white men”.

  61. @Anonymous
    Jesus, man, Heartiste started writing more than 12 years ago and you're still buying girls drinks in bars?

    Who needs Heatiste? Everyone but suckers should have figured that out about girls and lunch money–in the First Grade. It translates to drinks.

  62. @istevefan
    That is similar to how they push for a $15 minimum wage while simultaneously promoting mass immigration.

    I have an acquaintance, who simultaneously is for lots of immigration, especially refugees, tries to block new construction in his neighborhood and now that the rents are skyrocketing because the city also attracts a lot of germans, campaigns for rent-control. At the same time he says that he needs to move in a few years, because he is getting old and his apartment does not have an elevator. Since all three of his pet projects shift the supply-demand curve to his detriment, I predict, he will have a hard time finding a new apartment.

  63. @Anonymous
    Because our goal in life is to be us and not them? Mestizos work really hard in a white run country where they figure on having a lot of kids and the right stuff for inter-group status, but when it isn’t white run any more, you get Mexico.

    Mestizos don’t read books, don’t support any culture above the telenovela and ranchero music, and produce a society where the toilets barely function.

    I don’t hate mestizos. I just don’t want to live in their world.

    Ain’t it convenient that “objectively competent” manual labourers happen to have massive negative externalities?
    If you deport the illegals and balance high NAM-fertility with increased visas for college graduates from say top 500 colleges, I don’t see the problem.

    (Mostly) White leaders and dutiful workers.

  64. @Monsieur le Baron
    Because if you don't limit their share of the population, America will become Mexico. Their diligence is counterbalanced by their dumbness. Their IQ tests seem to average 90, so almost as dumb as blacks. Blacks have been around a long time and therefore have a right to be cared for, but importing more future headaches is a bad plan.

    Watching old shows, all the mammies were black. The chefs were black too. Black gardeners. Growing up, I saw Mexicans filling these roles. They are displacing natives.

    Watching old shows, all the mammies were black. The chefs were black too. Black gardeners. Growing up, I saw Mexicans filling these roles. They are displacing natives.

    Someone needs to manage the dull hardworking ethnicities, increasing middle class white employment.
    The whites that can’t compete with mexicans for the managerial positions don’t deserve shit imo and the ones that are too lazy to merit blue-collar jobs are even worthless.

  65. @Arclight
    I was just reading about a group of students planning to sue the CA university system to make them drop the ACT and SAT because blacks and Latinos do so much worth an whites (no mention of Asians). They claim these tests don’t have much predictive power for how a student does in college and that higher scores are due to wealthier students paying for test prep.

    I would guess that the first point is a lie, and the second could easily be disproven, not to mention I recall reading that test prep doesn’t raise score by more than a few percent, and certainly doesn’t account for the massive scoring gaps.

    Anyone who needs to “pay for test prep” has no business doing the test.

    Just another day in the life of the challenged, ones interested in other pursuits than passing SAT, applying the very flexible “unfair to me” card.

  66. @Arclight
    I was just reading about a group of students planning to sue the CA university system to make them drop the ACT and SAT because blacks and Latinos do so much worth an whites (no mention of Asians). They claim these tests don’t have much predictive power for how a student does in college and that higher scores are due to wealthier students paying for test prep.

    I would guess that the first point is a lie, and the second could easily be disproven, not to mention I recall reading that test prep doesn’t raise score by more than a few percent, and certainly doesn’t account for the massive scoring gaps.

    You can raise your kid’s sat score dramatically by hiring the tutor Felicity Huffman employed.

  67. @Michelle
    A lot of smart whites are very lazy. They will not prep or study. They will still score well on tests, but not as well as smart/smarter Asians who study their asses off. In any case, there is no class difference in Chinese test scores. Poor Chinese do as well on tests as rich Chinese. Also, I know very few whites or Blacks who are willing to work as hard, on any job involving manual labor, as Mexicans are. I can think of a few whites and Blacks who retired about ten years ago who worked as hard, but none currently working. I have an employee from Mexico who I actually had to ask my supervisor to tell to slow down, because she literally worked like a machine and I was afraid she would hurt herself. We had to give her a special tape dispenser because her wrists started to hurt. She covers book jackets and while most people cover 250 or less in a shift, she covers 450 or more. She really has a hard time backing off even a little. The people on the sorting end of her hate her because she makes a lot of work for them. Many Chinese restaurant owners, and contractors, are hiring Mexicans, because they out work Asians for less pay. My uncle died and I am going through probate with his house and asked the Chinese born maintenance engineer at work what to do about the state of disrepair the house is in. He used to work with
    all Chinese crews, now he told me to hire Mexicans and recommended another Mexican co-worker for the job.

    A lot of smart whites are very lazy. They will not prep or study. They will still score well on tests, but not as well as smart/smarter Asians who study their asses off. In any case, there is no class difference in Chinese test scores.

    That is recycled propaganda.

    Asians (especially recent arrivals) are usually morally bankrupt by West European standards. ‘Hard work’ is often just code for cutting corners.

    A Chinese Cheating Ring at UCLA Reveals an Industry Devoted to Helping International Students Scam Grades
    https://www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/ucla-cheating/

    SAT Scores of Asian Students Cancelled Over Cheating
    https://www.voanews.com/student-union/sat-scores-asian-students-cancelled-over-cheating

    As for doing business, quanxi is the Chinese version of kosher nostra. Both are used to outcompete people of European descent.

  68. @Michelle
    A lot of smart whites are very lazy. They will not prep or study. They will still score well on tests, but not as well as smart/smarter Asians who study their asses off. In any case, there is no class difference in Chinese test scores. Poor Chinese do as well on tests as rich Chinese. Also, I know very few whites or Blacks who are willing to work as hard, on any job involving manual labor, as Mexicans are. I can think of a few whites and Blacks who retired about ten years ago who worked as hard, but none currently working. I have an employee from Mexico who I actually had to ask my supervisor to tell to slow down, because she literally worked like a machine and I was afraid she would hurt herself. We had to give her a special tape dispenser because her wrists started to hurt. She covers book jackets and while most people cover 250 or less in a shift, she covers 450 or more. She really has a hard time backing off even a little. The people on the sorting end of her hate her because she makes a lot of work for them. Many Chinese restaurant owners, and contractors, are hiring Mexicans, because they out work Asians for less pay. My uncle died and I am going through probate with his house and asked the Chinese born maintenance engineer at work what to do about the state of disrepair the house is in. He used to work with
    all Chinese crews, now he told me to hire Mexicans and recommended another Mexican co-worker for the job.

    ‘Covers book jackets’.

    Pffft.

    If you were talking about shovelling coal, you might, might, just have a point.

  69. @Kronos
    I always figured each issue was supported by two different political wings of the Democratic Party. The Clintons “supported” minimum wage but always allowed Republicans to kill it or killed it themselves behind the scenes.

    The open boarders issue received genuine Clinton support.

    There are a lot of Democrats like Aoc and practically all from California, who support both issues at the same time. In my opinion, this is a tacit admission, that immigration lowers wages and an attempt to fix this.

  70. If the “upper-middle-class whites” weren’t so consistently misinformed by the principal news organs — and if they were courageous enough to recognize what is clearly visible in any case — they would know that even without this surge in Asian test results non-Jewish whites are vastly under-represented in all the elite universities. And as John Derbyshire has stated, how much sense does it make to import people so capable of forming an intellectual elite?

  71. @Michelle
    A lot of smart whites are very lazy. They will not prep or study. They will still score well on tests, but not as well as smart/smarter Asians who study their asses off. In any case, there is no class difference in Chinese test scores. Poor Chinese do as well on tests as rich Chinese. Also, I know very few whites or Blacks who are willing to work as hard, on any job involving manual labor, as Mexicans are. I can think of a few whites and Blacks who retired about ten years ago who worked as hard, but none currently working. I have an employee from Mexico who I actually had to ask my supervisor to tell to slow down, because she literally worked like a machine and I was afraid she would hurt herself. We had to give her a special tape dispenser because her wrists started to hurt. She covers book jackets and while most people cover 250 or less in a shift, she covers 450 or more. She really has a hard time backing off even a little. The people on the sorting end of her hate her because she makes a lot of work for them. Many Chinese restaurant owners, and contractors, are hiring Mexicans, because they out work Asians for less pay. My uncle died and I am going through probate with his house and asked the Chinese born maintenance engineer at work what to do about the state of disrepair the house is in. He used to work with
    all Chinese crews, now he told me to hire Mexicans and recommended another Mexican co-worker for the job.

    …he told me to hire Mexicans and recommended another Mexican co-worker

    I take it these are Mexican nationals.

    How about their kids who are born and raised in the US? Their achievement barely charts above Blacks.

    So we get a one generation uptick in performance, followed by languishing forevermore; a cosmically bad deal.

    We are so much better off if we take care of who is already here; a trained and motivated white person is one of the most productive assets ever. If we can’t grow and maintain our own workforce, that is the thing to fix; or not even have the jobs, rather than import a long-term bad investment.

  72. @Neoconned
    I got a woman now so done with the cruising scene but yeah that was my 20s....looking stupid in expensive casino clubs looking for love.

    Bit older now so yeah....enjoying the arcades and Sesame Street episodes etc.

    Didn't want kids but glad I had one. Gives me something to brag about and a reason to work hard and reach far in life.

    It’s gonna make you live better for one more reason. You will realize that everything you do is setting an example for that kid. The way you and your woman do things is ALL he knows right now. Try to show him the right way. It’s hard!

  73. @Kronos

    But after a week or 2 of no action I threw in the towel and went back to internet dating, the big thing in the mid 00s.
     
    It’s still a big thing. Though the technology has improved with apps.

    BTW the hookup seen in Portland really is this bad.

    https://youtu.be/bLoRPielarA

    Wow, something that’s actually funny!

  74. @Dacian Julien Soros
    Counting down the seconds until the first Judeophile begins wailing about muh creativity

    Did you have anything of value to add to the discussion, or did you just come here to be an obnoxious jerk?

  75. @AnonFinn
    Whites earn 1,3-1,5-times more than their european counterparts, so "losing to asians" is not all that bad.
    Secondly adademic rank does not always translate to higher income/status. STEM-phd from a top college might not make as much money as a MD from a rural college, even though the former is in most cases the smarter one.
    I don't think that even exceptionally smart whites can get to medical schools by doing consistently the very minimum. If the margin of defeat means a 2nd-3rd rate engineering degree instead of MD then he effect on income might be quite big.

    If the mexicans really were on average more hardworking than whites, blacks or asians, why would you want to limit their share of the population.

    If the mexicans really were on average more hardworking than whites, blacks or asians, why would you want to limit their share of the population?

    Simple: Because they outcompete native born Americans for jobs.

  76. @Hail
    Good observation, Calvin Hobbes.

    If the 1996-to-2000 rise is real, what could be the explanations? The 1996-test children would have been born in 1985-1986, I think. The 2000-test children would have been born in 1989-1990.

    The birth-timing there intriguingly lines up with Tienanmen Square -- though I am sure it couldn't have affected the overall numbers much and couldn't explain more than a small portion at most of the change.

    What I mean is: Tens of thousands of mostly-young Chinese were granted carte-blanche green cards in 1989 and 1990, so long as they claimed to have supported the Tienanmen Square protest. The great majority of these (defacto) "green-card lottery winners" were of imminent child-bearing age.

    It's plausible that over 1% of the entire Asian population in the USA is of "Tiananmen Square stock," meaning that group of refugees, their US-born children, and, by now, even grandchildren.

    (52,000 green cards granted / 6,900,000 Asians in the US in 1990 = a one-time top-up of 0.75%; and assuming the green-card grantees were much younger on average, and of childbearing age, perhaps many with anchor-baby plans. The the iron-clad green-card law for them was only finally signed into law in Oct. 1992.)

    As a group, Chinese probably do better on tests than Vietnamese, Hmong, Phillippinos, etc. Plus as you point out the Chinese who emigrated in the early 90’s would likely have been more motivated than others.

    • Replies: @Hail
    Someone should solicit John Derbyshire's speculation why US Asian scores went up starting with the cohort that was (primarily) born in late 1989 to mid 1990.
  77. anon[214] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnonFinn
    Whites earn 1,3-1,5-times more than their european counterparts, so "losing to asians" is not all that bad.
    Secondly adademic rank does not always translate to higher income/status. STEM-phd from a top college might not make as much money as a MD from a rural college, even though the former is in most cases the smarter one.
    I don't think that even exceptionally smart whites can get to medical schools by doing consistently the very minimum. If the margin of defeat means a 2nd-3rd rate engineering degree instead of MD then he effect on income might be quite big.

    If the mexicans really were on average more hardworking than whites, blacks or asians, why would you want to limit their share of the population.

    becoming a second tier citizen in the country our ancestors created is the worst that could happen look what happened when the jews took full power in the 60s , they trasformed a cohesive secure and the first industrial powerhouse of the world in an opioum ridden desindustrialized shithole .

    america was founded by europeans using european institucion as a guide and european culture as a compass ,400 years of sacrifice to trasform it in powerfull country at the world stage at continental scale thats why we earn 10-15% more than our brothers in the other side of the atlantic and was made by europeans without the help of anybody else.

    we dont need nor want any non european in this country if we needed smarter people we could easily aply eugenesic and improve our people in a couple of generation

  78. @Laurence Whelk

    A lot of smart whites are very lazy. They will not prep or study.
     
    They're not lazy. They just know that studying is "acting white", and the last thing a young white person in the current year wants to been seen doing is acting white.

    Yes, sadly young white people are turning into a poor man’s negro.

    The parents share a good deal of the blame in this too, especially the fathers, for failing to input the work ethic and civilizational values.

    I absolutely support white interests over all others, but there’s no doubt that people of just about all races out-hustle whites, especially younger whites (under 65) on every front.

    That said when a whitey does hustle (like me) he can kick any ass, including the bug asian people. The key is unlocking that potential and it starts with proper, unashamed parenting.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    People have differing capacity for hustle. When I was young I hustled. Now that I'm older, I don't, and with the perspective of age, I don't really see the pay-off in hustling outside a few high-risk/high-reward and rent-seeking sectors.

    I see people busting their humps for six figure-incomes, and the vast majority of them just spend what they make to maintain their hustling lifestyle. (If you're one of those people who banks their surplus income, well done). If you live in a Boomtown like San Francisco or New York, your high earnings will evaporate with cost of living due to competitive demand from all the other hustlers.

    In sum, I think hustling is a bit over-rated. Italy, France and Germany all generate some very good engineering off 35-hour workweeks and a month's vacation, while Greeks are at work every day, frantically making low-margin dairy products.
  79. @Neoconned
    I wasn't even dating.

    Just young and stupid "cruising for chicks" at the club.

    I wanted you know what and 80 bucks at the time was worth it. But after a week or 2 of no action I threw in the towel and went back to internet dating, the big thing in the mid 00s.

    If you must fornicate( it’s a sin so I suggest you don’t), then just hire a prostitute. It’s more honest and you both know what you’ll get.

    This is how it was done in Ancient Greece, the Middle Ages, early industrial years up until the 20 th century.

    Dating and bar hopping aren’t successful ways to find an actual wife. It’s better to get to know someone over times through school , church, mutual friendship or the neighborhood. It’s low pressure and lets you see their true character. Plus no money spent.

    • Agree: Triumph104
  80. @AnonFinn
    Whites earn 1,3-1,5-times more than their european counterparts, so "losing to asians" is not all that bad.
    Secondly adademic rank does not always translate to higher income/status. STEM-phd from a top college might not make as much money as a MD from a rural college, even though the former is in most cases the smarter one.
    I don't think that even exceptionally smart whites can get to medical schools by doing consistently the very minimum. If the margin of defeat means a 2nd-3rd rate engineering degree instead of MD then he effect on income might be quite big.

    If the mexicans really were on average more hardworking than whites, blacks or asians, why would you want to limit their share of the population.

    Is this a serious question? Who gives a damn about how hard Mexicans work. The question about immigrants should ALWAYS be how their children will assimilate and prosper in America. I do think many Hispanic Americans are patriotic — amazingly in this divided age — but in California and elsewhere are not able to join the ranks of the very educated or skilled in any large numbers, and they are already the majority in this state. And American Hispanics certainly do not outwork American whites — which is the only measurement that actually matters….unless your real point is forever immigration is required to keep this land afloat. In that case you have a lot in common with Bill Kristol.

    • Replies: @AnonFinn
    I'm not for lax immigration policy, but I think that a demographic that could in a competitive setting outcompete the natives, should be given the opportunity.

    The best bodies and the best minds, division of labour. Not white jobs and homogenous population über alles.

    To offset the externalities of low IQ/trust/etc maybe the employers should pay if the extra hands cause trouble or become a net burden. Some sort of mandatory insurance, trust or higher tax rates for (low-skilled) foreigners.

  81. Good for the supposers, bad for you and I.

    On both counts.

    No contradiction.

  82. @XYZ (no Mr.)
    Is this a serious question? Who gives a damn about how hard Mexicans work. The question about immigrants should ALWAYS be how their children will assimilate and prosper in America. I do think many Hispanic Americans are patriotic -- amazingly in this divided age -- but in California and elsewhere are not able to join the ranks of the very educated or skilled in any large numbers, and they are already the majority in this state. And American Hispanics certainly do not outwork American whites -- which is the only measurement that actually matters....unless your real point is forever immigration is required to keep this land afloat. In that case you have a lot in common with Bill Kristol.

    I’m not for lax immigration policy, but I think that a demographic that could in a competitive setting outcompete the natives, should be given the opportunity.

    The best bodies and the best minds, division of labour. Not white jobs and homogenous population über alles.

    To offset the externalities of low IQ/trust/etc maybe the employers should pay if the extra hands cause trouble or become a net burden. Some sort of mandatory insurance, trust or higher tax rates for (low-skilled) foreigners.

  83. @Andy
    Funny how liberals push at the same time for open borders and less inequality. But you can't have both, you have to choose what you prefer.

    Oh it makes perfect sense to me. The more open borders we have, the more inequality we’ll have, and the more people will need the Democrats. They’re not as stupid as they sound.

  84. Expect to see a lot more hysteria.

    (((Upper-middle class))) men have completely abandoned loud Jewish women for Asian girls who are just as well-educated.

    I’m not kidding. I’ve seen pre-schools in places where prestigious journalists live where the MAJORITY of kids were hapa. I mean literally, an outright majority.

  85. @Hypnotoad666

    Diversity is Good

    Inequality is Bad

    But in reality, More Diversity usually means More Inequality.

    Does not compute.
     

    The problem is that the two things we are supposed to achieve -- "diversity" and "equality" -- are essentially antonyms. Is everyone is supposed to be similarly different, or different in the same way? And if a "community" is a group with shared commonalities, how can we have "diverse communities?" The more diversity, the less community.

    The cognitive dissonance of trying to think like a leftist is making my head hurt already.

    The cognitive dissonance of trying to think like a leftist is making my head hurt already.

    As has been mentioned around here a couple of times, if you want to understand the woke folk, think like a Puritan.

    God (these days the God of wokeness, whatever that is) is good.

    I want to be like God, therefore I will be good.

    The local pastor (woke leader) will tell me what is good. They are infallible since they are the true representatives of God.

    I am unconcerned with the practical consequences of being good.

    If bad things happen because I am good then it was God’s will.

    Those who oppose God’s will are evil.

    Evil people must be silenced–whatever it takes.

    Witch-burning after supper, don’t miss it.

  86. @anon
    As a group, Chinese probably do better on tests than Vietnamese, Hmong, Phillippinos, etc. Plus as you point out the Chinese who emigrated in the early 90's would likely have been more motivated than others.

    Someone should solicit John Derbyshire’s speculation why US Asian scores went up starting with the cohort that was (primarily) born in late 1989 to mid 1990.

  87. @Hail
    Good observation, Calvin Hobbes.

    If the 1996-to-2000 rise is real, what could be the explanations? The 1996-test children would have been born in 1985-1986, I think. The 2000-test children would have been born in 1989-1990.

    The birth-timing there intriguingly lines up with Tienanmen Square -- though I am sure it couldn't have affected the overall numbers much and couldn't explain more than a small portion at most of the change.

    What I mean is: Tens of thousands of mostly-young Chinese were granted carte-blanche green cards in 1989 and 1990, so long as they claimed to have supported the Tienanmen Square protest. The great majority of these (defacto) "green-card lottery winners" were of imminent child-bearing age.

    It's plausible that over 1% of the entire Asian population in the USA is of "Tiananmen Square stock," meaning that group of refugees, their US-born children, and, by now, even grandchildren.

    (52,000 green cards granted / 6,900,000 Asians in the US in 1990 = a one-time top-up of 0.75%; and assuming the green-card grantees were much younger on average, and of childbearing age, perhaps many with anchor-baby plans. The the iron-clad green-card law for them was only finally signed into law in Oct. 1992.)

    Like you (and anon[123]) say, the 1996-2000 jump in the implicit gap might be partly a change in the composition of the Asian cohort.

    And it might be that up there at the top levels (like in 1996), the Asian percentiles and the white percentiles don’t line up quite the way they would for two shifted normal curves.

    It would be interesting to see how all the percentiles line up for each year, to see how good the fit to the “shifted normal curves” model is.

  88. @J.Ross
    And this is without mentioning that while whites at their best had an excellent ethical framework, almost all Asians, even the best ones, see nepotism as a noble purpose and a major part of why they are alive. During the Twentieth Century Chinese Civil War, when nothing worked and the least chaotic Chinese cities were European colonies, family ties were still absolute law. For every one that earns it, he'll use his position to accommodate every less qualified uncle and cousin he can fit.

    You are right, whites are less nepotistic. Just look at the White House.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    Semitic contamination plays a significant role there; if you want to know about actual whites and nepotism, look at Iceland or Finland, or the U.S.A. when it still existed, say, c. 1950, Captain Perspicacious.
    , @J.Ross
    Are you suggesting that Trump trust people like Orr, Strzok, Comey, Vinland and the like? Are you seriously suggesting that there is one out of more than three billion Asians in a comparable situation? Do you have any corruption catastrophes worthy of the Korean presidency to report about anything Kushner or Don Jr have so much as touched? Care to go full Asian and say out loud that freedom of speech shouldn't exist?
  89. @Dacian Julien Soros
    You are right, whites are less nepotistic. Just look at the White House.

    Semitic contamination plays a significant role there; if you want to know about actual whites and nepotism, look at Iceland or Finland, or the U.S.A. when it still existed, say, c. 1950, Captain Perspicacious.

  90. @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    Yes, sadly young white people are turning into a poor man's negro.

    The parents share a good deal of the blame in this too, especially the fathers, for failing to input the work ethic and civilizational values.

    I absolutely support white interests over all others, but there's no doubt that people of just about all races out-hustle whites, especially younger whites (under 65) on every front.

    That said when a whitey does hustle (like me) he can kick any ass, including the bug asian people. The key is unlocking that potential and it starts with proper, unashamed parenting.

    People have differing capacity for hustle. When I was young I hustled. Now that I’m older, I don’t, and with the perspective of age, I don’t really see the pay-off in hustling outside a few high-risk/high-reward and rent-seeking sectors.

    I see people busting their humps for six figure-incomes, and the vast majority of them just spend what they make to maintain their hustling lifestyle. (If you’re one of those people who banks their surplus income, well done). If you live in a Boomtown like San Francisco or New York, your high earnings will evaporate with cost of living due to competitive demand from all the other hustlers.

    In sum, I think hustling is a bit over-rated. Italy, France and Germany all generate some very good engineering off 35-hour workweeks and a month’s vacation, while Greeks are at work every day, frantically making low-margin dairy products.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Greeks in America work hard, rarely smart. Greeks in Greece neither, which is why they always devalued the drachma. Purple Steer in Chicago was an example someone brought up. Could have been Denny’s, but they wouldn’t expand because non-Greeks would have to be hired for management.

    Italian and French engineering is equal to Germans sometimes, sometimes better because they don’t overengineer. Their manufacturing often not so much. French are impossible to deal with, so their engineering is often for nought.
    , @Corvinus
    "When I was young I hustled. Now that I’m older, I don’t..."

    You're a lawyer, dude. Your occupation REQUIRES hustling.
  91. Huffman sounds jewish, not white. Until whites understand they’re semites, we will all continue to spin down the toilet.

  92. @Michelle
    A lot of smart whites are very lazy. They will not prep or study. They will still score well on tests, but not as well as smart/smarter Asians who study their asses off. In any case, there is no class difference in Chinese test scores. Poor Chinese do as well on tests as rich Chinese. Also, I know very few whites or Blacks who are willing to work as hard, on any job involving manual labor, as Mexicans are. I can think of a few whites and Blacks who retired about ten years ago who worked as hard, but none currently working. I have an employee from Mexico who I actually had to ask my supervisor to tell to slow down, because she literally worked like a machine and I was afraid she would hurt herself. We had to give her a special tape dispenser because her wrists started to hurt. She covers book jackets and while most people cover 250 or less in a shift, she covers 450 or more. She really has a hard time backing off even a little. The people on the sorting end of her hate her because she makes a lot of work for them. Many Chinese restaurant owners, and contractors, are hiring Mexicans, because they out work Asians for less pay. My uncle died and I am going through probate with his house and asked the Chinese born maintenance engineer at work what to do about the state of disrepair the house is in. He used to work with
    all Chinese crews, now he told me to hire Mexicans and recommended another Mexican co-worker for the job.

    Lazy whites means not studying? Then our pasty faced kids are doing pretty good. I’ve often thought all testing should be done on unannounced random days to actually test a kid’s random smarts.

    As for hard working Mexicans, take away the supervisor. Then tell me about their work skills.

  93. @Dacian Julien Soros
    You are right, whites are less nepotistic. Just look at the White House.

    Are you suggesting that Trump trust people like Orr, Strzok, Comey, Vinland and the like? Are you seriously suggesting that there is one out of more than three billion Asians in a comparable situation? Do you have any corruption catastrophes worthy of the Korean presidency to report about anything Kushner or Don Jr have so much as touched? Care to go full Asian and say out loud that freedom of speech shouldn’t exist?

  94. Anonymous[266] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic
    People have differing capacity for hustle. When I was young I hustled. Now that I'm older, I don't, and with the perspective of age, I don't really see the pay-off in hustling outside a few high-risk/high-reward and rent-seeking sectors.

    I see people busting their humps for six figure-incomes, and the vast majority of them just spend what they make to maintain their hustling lifestyle. (If you're one of those people who banks their surplus income, well done). If you live in a Boomtown like San Francisco or New York, your high earnings will evaporate with cost of living due to competitive demand from all the other hustlers.

    In sum, I think hustling is a bit over-rated. Italy, France and Germany all generate some very good engineering off 35-hour workweeks and a month's vacation, while Greeks are at work every day, frantically making low-margin dairy products.

    Greeks in America work hard, rarely smart. Greeks in Greece neither, which is why they always devalued the drachma. Purple Steer in Chicago was an example someone brought up. Could have been Denny’s, but they wouldn’t expand because non-Greeks would have to be hired for management.

    Italian and French engineering is equal to Germans sometimes, sometimes better because they don’t overengineer. Their manufacturing often not so much. French are impossible to deal with, so their engineering is often for nought.

  95. @The Anti-Gnostic
    People have differing capacity for hustle. When I was young I hustled. Now that I'm older, I don't, and with the perspective of age, I don't really see the pay-off in hustling outside a few high-risk/high-reward and rent-seeking sectors.

    I see people busting their humps for six figure-incomes, and the vast majority of them just spend what they make to maintain their hustling lifestyle. (If you're one of those people who banks their surplus income, well done). If you live in a Boomtown like San Francisco or New York, your high earnings will evaporate with cost of living due to competitive demand from all the other hustlers.

    In sum, I think hustling is a bit over-rated. Italy, France and Germany all generate some very good engineering off 35-hour workweeks and a month's vacation, while Greeks are at work every day, frantically making low-margin dairy products.

    “When I was young I hustled. Now that I’m older, I don’t…”

    You’re a lawyer, dude. Your occupation REQUIRES hustling.

  96. We are supposed to believe:

    Diversity is Good

    Inequality is Bad

    But in reality, More Diversity usually means More Inequality.

    In related news, California now has a higher Gini coefficient than Mexico and Guatemala:

    California’s Income Inequality Now Worse Than Mexico’s; Poverty Level Highest In America

    income inequality, as measured by the gini coefficient, has reached absurd levels in california
    Were California a Country It’d be the 17th Most Unequal Nation on Earth, Ahead of Mexico & Guatemala

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