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A New York courthouse now features a statue honoring Ruth Bader Ginsburg, abortion, Groot from “Guardians of the Galaxy,” Medusa the Gorgon, and Doc Ock from “Spiderman.”

This is the kind of new statue that gets admiringly written about, not the hundreds of new statues that make their subjects look good.

From the New York Times:

Move Over Moses and Zoroaster: Manhattan Has a New Female Lawgiver

The artist Shahzia Sikander calls the eight-foot sculpture she has placed atop a New York courthouse an urgent form of “resistance.”

By Dan Bilefsky
Jan. 25, 2023

Frenzied commuters in New York’s Flatiron district have been stopped in their tracks in recent days by an unlikely​ ​apparition ​near Moses, Confucius and Zoroaster. Standing atop the grandiose state courthouse is a shimmering, golden eight-foot female sculpture, emerging from a pink lotus flower and wearing Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s signature lace collar.

Staring regally ahead with hair braided like spiraling horns, the sculpture, installed as part of an exhibition that opened last week, is the first female to adorn one of the courthouse’s 10 plinths, dominated for more than a century by now weathered statues representing great lawgivers throughout the ages — all of them men.

Justice, however, has traditionally been represented in sculpture, since the time of Augustus, as a woman.

Shahzia Sikander, 53, the paradigm-busting Pakistani American artist behind the work, said the sculpture was part of an urgent and necessary cultural reckoning underway as New York, along with cities across the world, reconsiders traditional representations of power in public spaces and recasts civic structures to better reflect 21st-century social mores.

“She is a fierce woman and a form of resistance in a space that has historically been dominated by patriarchal representation,” said Sikander, who previously served on the New York Mayoral Advisory Commission of City Art, Monuments and Markers.

That’s how you get a commission, evidently.

She said the work was called “NOW” because it was needed “now,” at a time when women’s reproductive rights were under siege after the U.S. Supreme Court in June overturned the constitutional right to abortion.

… It is not the first time this court, the Appellate Division, First Judicial Department, of the New York State Supreme Court, has changed the lineup of figures presiding over its rooftop. In 1955 the court removed a turn-of-the-century, eight-foot-tall marble statue of the Prophet Muhammad when the Pakistani, Egyptian and Indonesian Embassies asked the State Department to intervene; many Muslims have deeply held religious beliefs that prohibit depictions of the prophet.

To compensate for the visual gap left at the commanding southwest corner of the building, seven statues were shifted one pedestal westward, leaving Zoroaster in the place of Muhammad.

American courthouse statues of lawgivers have traditionally been highly multicultural. For instance, the Supreme Court has resisted demands from Muslims to sandblast Muhammad’s face off their frieze of lawgivers.

The easternmost pedestal, once occupied by Justinian, was left vacant.

That is where Sikander’s sculpture presides.

The Lahore-born Sikander, whose work has been displayed at the Whitney Biennial and who made her name reimagining the art of Indo-Persian miniature painting from a feminist, post-colonial perspective, was at pains to emphasize that Muhammad’s removal and her installation were completely unrelated. “My figure is not replacing anyone or canceling anyone,” she said.

So, in case you come from a wing of Islam that’s okay with representations of Muhammad, don’t kill me.

 
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  1. The Avant-Garde is so tiresome, worn-out, and soooo a hundred years ago.

    BTW – outside the narrow world of avant-Garde marketeers is a flourishing scene of representational painting, sculpture, and architecture based on the sacred principles of beauty.

    • Thanks: bomag
  2. The sculpture clearly follows the Barbie doll school of female anatomy.

    • Agree: AnotherDad, Forbes
  3. That’s Beyoncé, right? It had better be.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @HammerJack

    I don't try to make sense of Clown World but I will note that it's extremely illogical to dedicate this statue to women's reproductive freedom, given that few if any men could sustain an erection around that demonic looking creature if it were real. But shoving Satanism in our faces is the among the top priorities of our rulers.

    Replies: @Corpse Tooth

    , @Kolya Krassotkin
    @HammerJack

    Take this work of "art" and solder it to the new MLK memorial in Boston, the one that looks like a case of mega-colon. With the two soldered together, the hideousness of each will distract from the hideousness of the other.

  4. affirmative action “art.”

    I first saw bad, political rationalizations for awful “art” at an exhibit of “things” by angry homosexuals who were dying of aids in manhattan in 1989, “Witnesses: Against Our Vanishing.”

    They were mad as hell at the normal people whom they blamed for their coming deaths.

    • Agree: SFG, bomag
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Nicholas Stix

    "Normal" men have no less desire to freely sow their seed than gay men do. The difference is that women are the gatekeepers of sex and so straight men generally have a much harder time finding new sexual partners than gay men do, although this has become slightly less true since the "sexual revolution" which has largely freed women (and men) from many of the negative consequences of sex. The AIDS epidemic was a departure from the sexual freedom that characterized the 1970s - a freedom which has been mostly restored with effective HIV antiretrovirals. Antibiotic resistance will likely end this second era, perhaps permanently.

    Replies: @Coemgen, @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr., @Post-Postmodernist, @Corvinus

    , @SFG
    @Nicholas Stix

    I remember that from my New York City days. Yeah, there was all this stuff about the AIDS crisis, but the idea of f***ing around a little less or at least using a condom (which is pretty effective against HIV--the virus really isn't that infectious compared to most STDs) never came up.

    Replies: @Acp

    , @AnotherDad
    @Nicholas Stix


    ... “Witnesses: Against Our Vanishing.”

    They were mad as hell at the normal people whom they blamed for their coming deaths.
     
    Few things as annoying as whiny homos. (Though there's a lot of competition these days.)

    Homosexuals are disordered. And boring dead twigs on the tree of life. AIDS being an epidemic is--of course--their own damn fault.

    And yes there--eventually--will be a "vanishing". When we figure this out, no one is going to want to have homos around anymore.
    , @Kolya Krassotkin
    @Nicholas Stix

    Slightly OT but I expect the new multi-drug resistant strain of Gonorrhea to start ravaging the gay community. The rising rates within their community should inspire new works of art.

  5. Modern Welsh women.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Dream

    Best way for Welsh women to save the planet is to have more kids.

  6. Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wgah’nagl fhtagn.

    • Thanks: Sollipsist
    • Replies: @Just this Once
    @clifford brown

    Just for fun I used Google Translate to translate
    this sentence to English.

    Here's what happened:

    On the left side under "Welsh detected" was this sentence.

    "Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wgah’nagl fhtagn."


    On the right side under "English" was

    "Pegrui mglw'nafh cthulhu r'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn."

    Result: Ph’nglui = Pegrui !

  7. Now the artist needs to put up similar statues where she was born.

    • Agree: Coemgen
  8. Child murder is their sacrament.

  9. Why do Hollywood celebs have such “odd” taste in art work? Why is she keeping a picture of a child being tortured? Do any of you keep this type of artwork in your home?

    Just think about Jeffrey Epstein (especially his Occult temple on his island), Marina Abramovich, Pizza Gate, and the Podesta brothers. Are sexual debauchery (including pedophilia), Sadism, and Occultism rampant in elite circles?

    What’s the deal with popular Balenciaga clothing brand?

    Why are elites so obsessed with pushing LGBT degeneracy onto kids. Are they attempting to groom kids into pedophile rings and introduce them to Occultism and Sadism? Does any of this have any relation to “The Finders” cult and the Larry King (Boystown Omaha) scandal?

    What exactly is going on at the top that we don’t know about?

    • Thanks: Ron Mexico
    • Replies: @Anon
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Every time you see an expose of alleged pedophilia it turns out to be a teenage girl voluntarily prostituting herself.

    There is a class element here, low class girls from chaotic families are unchaste and men from all classes can take advantage of that. The solution is for low class families to put down the meth, stop cheating on one another, stop divorcing, and actually discipline their children for once in their lives. It's not to join the white trash conspiracy theorist goon march that seeks to blame everyone but them for their daughters being sluts.

    Replies: @clifford brown, @Bill Jones, @Old Prude

    , @SFG
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Because it horrifies you, mostly. “The Christians hate us, we’re doing something right! We’re so brave!”

    The sadomasochism is a way liberal women get around their feminism to enjoy nastier men. “Oh, but it’s so transgressive!”

    LGBT doubles as a way to separate kids from their (more conservative) parents and get white kids voting D-see, you’re evil, but if you sleep with someone of the same sex, you’re oppressed and thus good.

    Replies: @Joe Magarac

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Please allow my inner Victorian to come to Miss Curtis's defense. The picture on her wall was a gift from, and taken by, Betsy Schneider, who started out as an assistant to Sally Mann, famous for photos of her three children cavorting naked, innocently, in the Virginia countryside.

    There is nothing remotely erotic about that photo, anymore than those undergarment pages in the old Sears' and Penney's catalogues once delivered to our homes. Those could be repurposed as pornography as well, and no doubt were. (No, this isn't a confession.)


    This would have been taken as unremarkable in the days of Lewis Carroll, Andrew Lang, or Maxfield Parrish.* The general lack of sexual freedom allowed for depictions of childhood nudity as a celebration of innocence. But it was already controversial in the 1970s, in the wake of the newfound sexual license of that era.

    Come on, it's just a bare-ass kid playing with toys in her yard! Yes, it could be read as an S&M reference, but why would you? It's possible that Jamie Lee might see it that way, but I'll give her the benefit of the doubt. She herself was one of the last actresses reticent about appearing nude on-screen. (A task she's said her early horror work never demanded of her, unlike the "mainstream".)

    In contrast, the Balenciaga stuff is genuinely sick, and they should be made to pay dearly. We suffer from a serious shortage of sexual repression these days!


    *Likewise, it is in the most "homophobic" countries that straight male friends feel free to hold one another's hand. There is less chance of misinterpretation.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Post-Postmodernist, @Post-Postmodernist, @Anon

    , @Jack D
    @JohnnyWalker123


    Jewish Billionaires, The Pinault family,
     
    The Pinault family are not Jewish in any way, shape or form. This is simply a lie.
    , @Inquiring Mind
    @JohnnyWalker123

    A "woke" not-all-that-young person with a family connection distributed a registry for baby shower gifts.

    Among them was presumably a children's book, "The Hips on the Drag Queen go Swish, Swish, Swish." I think this selection was meant seriously, not ironically. Apparently, this book is a "thing" regarding teaching children tolerance of others?

    https://www.amazon.com/Hips-Drag-Queen-Go-Swish/dp/0762467657#customerReviews

    Can I send instead a poster of George Santos, R-New York wearing women's clothes and makeup from his madcap days in Brazil? If you are going to teach tolerance, should this not at least include Republican men in drag?

    Or is that picture a deep fake?

  10. Progress.

    Then:

    Mitch: Parla!

    Now:

    Shahzee: Ummm…ewwww…

    • Replies: @dearieme
    @Bardon Kaldian

    It's impressive that the old boy has a laptop.

  11. Apparently the Statue of Liberty is chopped liver.

  12. Justice, however, has traditionally been represented in sculpture, since the time of Augustus, as a woman.

    Actually at least 2000 years before Augustus. The Egyptians called her Ma’at and Mycenae had a similar deity called Dike.

    Both Egypt and Greece saw her as holding the scales that weight guilt or innocence, making it the most ancient concept in the world still in use. For all the good THAT does.

    • Agree: BB753
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Franz

    Thanks.

    , @Odyssey
    @Franz

    You probably don't know that Greeks are not natives of Europe; they came from Africa/the Middle East. The goddess Dika (pronounced as 'deeka') is not a Greek goddess (or maybe they brought her from Africa together with their Olympic spirit?). They took their mythology from the natives, just as Roman mythology is a replica of the Greek replica. 'Dika' is still a modern word in the Serbian language. How much is our lack of knowledge? I can offer a litmus test from my perspective. Justinian (cancelled), Alexander the Great and Marina Abramović mentioned in the text are Serbs, which is only the tip of our broader lack of knowledge and general culture. Justinian introduced the Roman law, which is still the basis of the legal system of all of Europe (except England).

  13. Justice: A lovely thing, that will embrace you in her tentacles, and gobble you up. (That is a napkin she as tucked under her chin, is it not?). And don’t even THINK about touching her hair.

    It works.

  14. Finally, art that raises awareness of the Thalidomide tragedy:

  15. @Nicholas Stix
    affirmative action "art."

    I first saw bad, political rationalizations for awful "art" at an exhibit of "things" by angry homosexuals who were dying of aids in manhattan in 1989, "Witnesses: Against Our Vanishing."

    They were mad as hell at the normal people whom they blamed for their coming deaths.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @SFG, @AnotherDad, @Kolya Krassotkin

    “Normal” men have no less desire to freely sow their seed than gay men do. The difference is that women are the gatekeepers of sex and so straight men generally have a much harder time finding new sexual partners than gay men do, although this has become slightly less true since the “sexual revolution” which has largely freed women (and men) from many of the negative consequences of sex. The AIDS epidemic was a departure from the sexual freedom that characterized the 1970s – a freedom which has been mostly restored with effective HIV antiretrovirals. Antibiotic resistance will likely end this second era, perhaps permanently.

    • Replies: @Coemgen
    @AndrewR


    ...the “sexual revolution” which has largely freed women (and men) from many of the negative consequences of sex...
     
    The negative consequences of sex:

    1. sexually transmitted disease
    2. depersonalization

    Um, shouldn't it be: "The sexual revolution is linked to a significant increase in negative consequences of sex."

    I won't bore anybody with graphs of 20th century STD rates, divorce rates, marriage rates, children born out-of-wedlock rates, etc. -- we already know there's a significant association between the sexual revolution and the disintegration of society.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    , @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.
    @AndrewR

    straight men generally have a much harder time finding new sexual partners than gay men do, although this has become slightly less true since the “sexual revolution”

    It has become far less true for the most desirable 20%. It has become far more true for the least desirable 80%, at least until they're well into their 30's and the women in their cohort are used-up, damaged goods with ticking biological clocks who are looking to settle for any man with a good-paying job who isn't totally repulsive. (It's a lot easier for women to get sex from the twenty-percenters than commitment, and getting even sex from them becomes difficult as a woman ages.)

    The sexual revolution ushered in an era of soft polygamy, where most young women are monopolized by the most desirable males. Why do you think VD rates are so much higher among young women than young men?

    Antibiotic resistance will likely end this second era, perhaps permanently.

    I hope you're right but fear you're wrong. Rather than what you've described, there will probably actually be medical breakthroughs which render antibiotics obsolete.

    , @Post-Postmodernist
    @AndrewR


    “Normal” men have no less desire to freely sow their seed than gay men do. The difference is that women are the gatekeepers of sex
     
    Wouldn't that alone constitute a strong argument against the normalization (let alone promotion and now effective worship) of homoeroticism (at least the male variety)?

    and so straight men generally have a much harder time finding new sexual partners than gay men do,
     
    It's more than that, though. Within a given heterosexual relationship, does the woman not typically yield a tempering, and, at least ideally refining influence and power?

    the “sexual revolution” which has largely freed women (and men) from many of the negative consequences of sex.
     
    Not quite, as Coemgen has pointed-out.

    The AIDS epidemic was a departure from the sexual freedom that characterized the 1970s –
     
    Even before AIDS, there was disproportionately high incidence, and epidemics, of sexually transmitted infections among buggering Americans. The activist/advocate/agitator response? Same as for HIV-AIDS: Defiance; doubled-down, militant promiscuity; deflection; condemnation and assignment of blame to mainstream society.

    a freedom which has been mostly restored with effective HIV antiretrovirals.
     
    At what cost, and who pays?

    A preemptive note follows below.
    I have neither condemned mere homoeroticism, per se, nor claimed that it is absent from my personal interests. Those who would see this as discrediting the unapologetically heteronormative position that has long been a hallmark of my writing across multiple forums might wish to review the afore-linked definition of said term:


    noting or relating to behavior or attitudes consistent with traditional male or female gender roles and the assumption of heterosexuality as the norm:
     
    Note that even behavior, and all-the-more-so attitudes are critically distinct from mere desires and interests. That the non-normative (i.e. homoerotic) of these are, in my case, not primary but only secondary to heteronormative ones is an additional qualification that would be germane to note. As would yet another qualification.

    On more than one level and in ways that are decidedly mitigating and (to those of traditionalist, refined and conscientious sensibilities) vindicating, my homoerotic interests themselves are profoundly atypical.]

    , @Corvinus
    @AndrewR

    “The difference is that women are the gatekeepers of sex and so straight men generally have a much harder time finding new sexual partners”

    Clearly you didn’t read the Twelve Commandments of Poon by Roissy. Worked like a charm.

  16. @HammerJack
    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2023/01/24/multimedia/24courtsculpture7-bkcf/24courtsculpture7-bkcf-superJumbo.jpg

    That's Beyoncé, right? It had better be.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Kolya Krassotkin

    I don’t try to make sense of Clown World but I will note that it’s extremely illogical to dedicate this statue to women’s reproductive freedom, given that few if any men could sustain an erection around that demonic looking creature if it were real. But shoving Satanism in our faces is the among the top priorities of our rulers.

    • Agree: Clark Kent, BB753
    • Replies: @Corpse Tooth
    @AndrewR

    "But shoving Satanism in our faces is among the top priorities of our rulers."

    Satan is a Christian concept. Most if not all of the imagery in this thread is pagan or Kabbalistic in origin. Lots of demonolatry can be found in the Zohar. So what does that tell you about your rulers?

  17. And to think I keep having to fight with people who tell me Jackson Pollock is silly.

  18. @Franz

    Justice, however, has traditionally been represented in sculpture, since the time of Augustus, as a woman.

     

    Actually at least 2000 years before Augustus. The Egyptians called her Ma'at and Mycenae had a similar deity called Dike.

    Both Egypt and Greece saw her as holding the scales that weight guilt or innocence, making it the most ancient concept in the world still in use. For all the good THAT does.

    https://img1.etsystatic.com/000/0/5725945/il_570xN.310501457.jpg

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Odyssey

    Thanks.

  19. Isn’t Sikander a variant of Alexander, as in the Great?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Leon

    It is in "The Man Who Would Be King."

  20. @Leon
    Isn't Sikander a variant of Alexander, as in the Great?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    It is in “The Man Who Would Be King.”

  21. I never found the Satanism thing that convincing–I spent years around lefties of the academic variety and never saw any real enthusiasm for God’s Opposite Number. Sticking it to their political opponents the Evangelical Christians, definitely. The witchcraft thing was never taken seriously, though now some younger lefties seem to be doing it as a non-patriarchal form of religion–but that’s a new thing, when it was last popular back in the 90s it was teenage girls rebelling against their parents. Those people believe in science (except HBD), their own overdeveloped sense of compassion for people who are oppressed or different, and sticking it to evangelical Christians. Even the Epstein temple seemed to me more a matter of believing he was doing something naughty and secret and showing off about it.

    There’s an actual Church of Satan, but they’re small and not particularly powerful. In the LaVey days they were closer to libertarians than anything else, and now they’ve got female priests and agitate for reproductive rights. They’re sticking it to the (Christian) Man, they’re atheists underneath it all.

    If you believe in a supernatural force of evil that tempts people to sin, sure, they’ve rejected God and are following their animal urges for sex.

    But are our elites actually engaging in satanic rituals to worship the head of the Lowerarchy? Nah. Lame anti-Christian art like ‘spirit cooking’ is a red herring. They’re trying to make as many kids LGBT as possible so they can turn them against their conservative parents, encouraging them to mutilate themselves in some gnostic ideology, making the few remaining straight white kids identify as some sort of LGBT as a way out of the guilt of being ‘cishet’, and so on. Isn’t that bad enough?

    They’re interested in money, power, and sex, a trinity Tony Montana would have recognized. Satan? Only if it pisses you off.

    • Agree: AnotherDad
    • Thanks: bomag
    • Replies: @BB753
    @SFG

    "But are our elites actually engaging in satanic rituals to worship the head of the Lowerarchy? Nah"

    You don't need to worship Satan to do his bidding, whether you realize it or not. Just look at the Davos/ Bilderberg crowd: they're into depopulation, creating a virtual and/ or synthetic reality, mutating mankind ( transhumanism), total control over our lives, negating human free will... That's totally satanic.

    https://youtu.be/Z-xElFKl0eE

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @puttheforkdown
    @SFG


    They’re interested in money, power, and sex
     
    So, Satan in short. Way to overcomplicate things...

    Replies: @Anon, @Anne Lid

    , @Targaleto
    @SFG

    Yep. The elites look down on dumb proles who believe in deities. They troll the proles by using satanic imagery and then laugh at the proles' inability to recognize that they, who think of themselves as highly intelligent, don't actually believe in ridiculous ideas like horned deities.

    It's similar to how people troll the MSM into printing ridiculous stuff like this:

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/emaoconnor/baltimore-loot-crew-is-fake

    , @Excal
    @SFG

    Stage Satanists like (probably) LaVey -- who really was a professional entertainer -- are of course very theatrical, with costumes and props and outRAGEous statements and that sort of thing. This is also seen fairly regularly in pop music, which is essentially theatrical and deals in characters, like professional wrestling. I imagine it's a fairly decent living, if you can keep in the public eye.

    Most stage Satanists are agnostics, and don't take any of their act seriously -- if they did, they would choose some other kind of character. As you correctly note, it amuses them to take the p*ss out of Evangelicals; they are essentially juvenile pranksters. There are few people foolish enough to knowingly summon demons, if they understand what that means.

    There really are believing, Black Mass-going Satanists, but they are generally very secretive about it. In public they are usually agnostics and materialists, and laugh at the very idea of worshipping devils. They present a polished and respectable image to the world. The secrecy is all part of the fun for them. This is not the only type of Satanist, of course, but it's not an uncommon one.

    , @al gore rhythms
    @SFG

    That's all true, and I also think the occult gives a kind of respectably rebellious cultural framework for things like pop videos. So much Western art and symbolism is tied to our Christian past, but you can still use most of the gothic and classic elements with a 'Satanic' aesthetic.

  22. @Nicholas Stix
    affirmative action "art."

    I first saw bad, political rationalizations for awful "art" at an exhibit of "things" by angry homosexuals who were dying of aids in manhattan in 1989, "Witnesses: Against Our Vanishing."

    They were mad as hell at the normal people whom they blamed for their coming deaths.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @SFG, @AnotherDad, @Kolya Krassotkin

    I remember that from my New York City days. Yeah, there was all this stuff about the AIDS crisis, but the idea of f***ing around a little less or at least using a condom (which is pretty effective against HIV–the virus really isn’t that infectious compared to most STDs) never came up.

    • Replies: @Acp
    @SFG

    Not that infectious!?!?!?

    You can get it just being in the same household for heaven’s sake.

    You are an anti-The Science buffoon!

    https://twitter.com/KennedyWRoberts/status/1458072974968463360

  23. @clifford brown

    Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wgah’nagl fhtagn.
     

    Replies: @Just this Once

    Just for fun I used Google Translate to translate
    this sentence to English.

    Here’s what happened:

    On the left side under “Welsh detected” was this sentence.

    “Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wgah’nagl fhtagn.”

    On the right side under “English” was

    “Pegrui mglw’nafh cthulhu r’lyeh wgah’nagl fhtagn.”

    Result: Ph’nglui = Pegrui !

  24. There is clear tipping of the hat to the Evil One in that statue.

  25. A New York courthouse now features a statue honoring Ruth Bader Ginsburg

    … who now, thanks to Generative AI, is (sort of) immortal:

    https://ask-rbg.ai/

    “The Jurassic-X system powers one of AI21 Labs’ quirkiest recent creations: an AI model of the late U.S. Supreme Court Judge Ruth Bader Ginsburg. The model, called “Ask Ruth Bader Ginsburg,” has been trained on more than 27 years’ worth of Ginsburg’s Supreme Court opinions, interviews and speeches. It’s designed to respond to queries in the same manner that the real Ginsburg would have done.”

    AI21 Labs has created a co-writing bot that can suggest quotes, statistics, provide citations and more
    https://siliconangle.com/2023/01/17/ai21-labs-created-co-writing-bot-can-suggest-quotes-statistics-provide-citations/

  26. So, in case you come from a wing of Islam that’s okay with representations of Muhammad, don’t kill me.

    The very first thing I thought of. Our fearless sculptor is terrified of her religious cohorts. For good reason.

  27. Thank God she didn’t create a visage of the “buzzie”we all knew and loved…

  28. Like most modern art, it’s soul less and unoriginal. Thanks to my spouse, I periodically have to attend gallery show openings, new museum exhibitions, etc. All the language used to describe art is exceedingly painful to read and similar – artists ‘interrogate’ something though the ‘lens’ of race, gender, etc. In the end, most artists trying to get noticed resort to the same themes that our politics push and try to paint themselves as transgressive by echoing the powerful institutions in society.

    • Replies: @cool daddy jimbo
    @Arclight


    Like most modern art, it’s soul less and unoriginal.
     
    Speaking of modern art, one of the FoxNews anchors scrolled through some of Hunter Biden's "art" last night. My thought? "Some of that shit is kinda cool. I'd totally hang it up on my wall in the dorm and ponder it while I smoked dope and listened to Pink Floyd. It'd be a hot seller as a $9 poster on Amazon."

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Arclight


    All the language used to describe art is exceedingly painful to read and similar
     
    Whenever art (or entertainment) is described as "urgent" you know it's a piece of crap.

    They used "urgent" twice, just in what Steve quoted.

    "Fierce" too.

    Crap.

    Replies: @Corpse Tooth

  29. @SFG
    I never found the Satanism thing that convincing--I spent years around lefties of the academic variety and never saw any real enthusiasm for God's Opposite Number. Sticking it to their political opponents the Evangelical Christians, definitely. The witchcraft thing was never taken seriously, though now some younger lefties seem to be doing it as a non-patriarchal form of religion--but that's a new thing, when it was last popular back in the 90s it was teenage girls rebelling against their parents. Those people believe in science (except HBD), their own overdeveloped sense of compassion for people who are oppressed or different, and sticking it to evangelical Christians. Even the Epstein temple seemed to me more a matter of believing he was doing something naughty and secret and showing off about it.

    There's an actual Church of Satan, but they're small and not particularly powerful. In the LaVey days they were closer to libertarians than anything else, and now they've got female priests and agitate for reproductive rights. They're sticking it to the (Christian) Man, they're atheists underneath it all.

    If you believe in a supernatural force of evil that tempts people to sin, sure, they've rejected God and are following their animal urges for sex.

    But are our elites actually engaging in satanic rituals to worship the head of the Lowerarchy? Nah. Lame anti-Christian art like 'spirit cooking' is a red herring. They're trying to make as many kids LGBT as possible so they can turn them against their conservative parents, encouraging them to mutilate themselves in some gnostic ideology, making the few remaining straight white kids identify as some sort of LGBT as a way out of the guilt of being 'cishet', and so on. Isn't that bad enough?

    They're interested in money, power, and sex, a trinity Tony Montana would have recognized. Satan? Only if it pisses you off.

    Replies: @BB753, @puttheforkdown, @Targaleto, @Excal, @al gore rhythms

    “But are our elites actually engaging in satanic rituals to worship the head of the Lowerarchy? Nah”

    You don’t need to worship Satan to do his bidding, whether you realize it or not. Just look at the Davos/ Bilderberg crowd: they’re into depopulation, creating a virtual and/ or synthetic reality, mutating mankind ( transhumanism), total control over our lives, negating human free will… That’s totally satanic.

    • Agree: tyrone
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @BB753

    "You don’t need to worship Satan to do his bidding, whether you realize it or not."

    Motte and bailey.

    Replies: @BB753

  30. I remember having to defeat one of those in one of the harder subquests of Baldur’s Gate.

    • Replies: @Fluesterwitz
    @Inselaffen

    Well, your service is once more required.

  31. The symbolism of the modern Medusa accompanied by the other male statues of stone as a reflection on modern feminism. Not sure that’s what she was aiming for though.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @mousey

    Medusa had snakes for hair, not arms. Snakes for arms are seen in a Dungeons & Dragons monster called the yuan-ti.

  32. “In 1955 the court removed a turn-of-the-century, eight-foot-tall marble statue of the Prophet Muhammad ” So wokeness is nothing new. Formalizing NYC as the home of the United Nations may have contributed to the need to remove the statue, although I think it could have been replaced by something symbolic of The Prophet, peace be on to him.

    She apparently has a name, Witness. A google search does not yet bring up this statue at the top of the list, but the most popular witness statue is the numerous Earth Witness Buddha statues.

  33. @Dream
    Modern Welsh women.

    https://twitter.com/opheliadosantos/status/1615086232127635475?t=m6NTa0cQDO7gRLnC3LT-gg&s=19

    Replies: @bomag

    Best way for Welsh women to save the planet is to have more kids.

  34. @AndrewR
    @Nicholas Stix

    "Normal" men have no less desire to freely sow their seed than gay men do. The difference is that women are the gatekeepers of sex and so straight men generally have a much harder time finding new sexual partners than gay men do, although this has become slightly less true since the "sexual revolution" which has largely freed women (and men) from many of the negative consequences of sex. The AIDS epidemic was a departure from the sexual freedom that characterized the 1970s - a freedom which has been mostly restored with effective HIV antiretrovirals. Antibiotic resistance will likely end this second era, perhaps permanently.

    Replies: @Coemgen, @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr., @Post-Postmodernist, @Corvinus

    …the “sexual revolution” which has largely freed women (and men) from many of the negative consequences of sex…

    The negative consequences of sex:

    1. sexually transmitted disease
    2. depersonalization

    Um, shouldn’t it be: “The sexual revolution is linked to a significant increase in negative consequences of sex.”

    I won’t bore anybody with graphs of 20th century STD rates, divorce rates, marriage rates, children born out-of-wedlock rates, etc. — we already know there’s a significant association between the sexual revolution and the disintegration of society.

    • Agree: Bill Jones, Forbes
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Coemgen

    I obviously meant that STIs became treatable if not curable. I never even implied that the rates of VD went down، although frankly I don't know the real stats. But it's irrelevant. Most people would agree that one million cases of treatable gonorrhea is preferable to 100,000 cases of untreatable gonorrhea.

  35. It’s not just a Manhattan courthouse they’ve defaced with this crap, but by far the most beautiful of them:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appellate_Division_Courthouse_of_New_York_State

    The interior spaces are extraordinary examples of 19th c. institutional grandeur. The exterior used to be pretty nice too.

  36. @Arclight
    Like most modern art, it's soul less and unoriginal. Thanks to my spouse, I periodically have to attend gallery show openings, new museum exhibitions, etc. All the language used to describe art is exceedingly painful to read and similar - artists 'interrogate' something though the 'lens' of race, gender, etc. In the end, most artists trying to get noticed resort to the same themes that our politics push and try to paint themselves as transgressive by echoing the powerful institutions in society.

    Replies: @cool daddy jimbo, @Almost Missouri

    Like most modern art, it’s soul less and unoriginal.

    Speaking of modern art, one of the FoxNews anchors scrolled through some of Hunter Biden’s “art” last night. My thought? “Some of that shit is kinda cool. I’d totally hang it up on my wall in the dorm and ponder it while I smoked dope and listened to Pink Floyd. It’d be a hot seller as a $9 poster on Amazon.”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @cool daddy jimbo

    Hunter Biden is a pretty cool dude.

    I watched Lawrence Fox's biopic about Hunter Biden and can remember thinking that Fox isn't as charismatic as Biden is.

    Replies: @Forbes, @Ghost of Bull Moose

  37. The sculpture, of course, is merely a distillation of the great evil that is modern architecture.

    This great little blog looks at that and coins a fine phrase that I shall be using again.

    “Memetic Sovereignty”

    https://neurotoxinweb.wordpress.com/

  38. Anon[241] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Why do Hollywood celebs have such "odd" taste in art work? Why is she keeping a picture of a child being tortured? Do any of you keep this type of artwork in your home?

    https://twitter.com/liz_churchill8/status/1615161835082207240

    Just think about Jeffrey Epstein (especially his Occult temple on his island), Marina Abramovich, Pizza Gate, and the Podesta brothers. Are sexual debauchery (including pedophilia), Sadism, and Occultism rampant in elite circles?

    What's the deal with popular Balenciaga clothing brand?

    https://twitter.com/4biddnKnowledge/status/1597223377194086401

    https://twitter.com/olilondontv/status/1595774374904500224

    Why are elites so obsessed with pushing LGBT degeneracy onto kids. Are they attempting to groom kids into pedophile rings and introduce them to Occultism and Sadism? Does any of this have any relation to "The Finders" cult and the Larry King (Boystown Omaha) scandal?

    What exactly is going on at the top that we don't know about?

    Replies: @Anon, @SFG, @Reg Cæsar, @Jack D, @Inquiring Mind

    Every time you see an expose of alleged pedophilia it turns out to be a teenage girl voluntarily prostituting herself.

    There is a class element here, low class girls from chaotic families are unchaste and men from all classes can take advantage of that. The solution is for low class families to put down the meth, stop cheating on one another, stop divorcing, and actually discipline their children for once in their lives. It’s not to join the white trash conspiracy theorist goon march that seeks to blame everyone but them for their daughters being sluts.

    • Replies: @clifford brown
    @Anon

    https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/205/251/hansenlol.jpg

    Replies: @Anon

    , @Bill Jones
    @Anon

    And how did your case go?
    Did you get them to drop it?

    Replies: @Anon

    , @Old Prude
    @Anon

    Almost all the pedophilia cases I hear about are gay priests unable and unwilling to control their urges with little boys.

    The Catholic Church doesn’t have a pedophilia problem. It has a homosexual priest problem. But that’s not how it’s reported.

  39. @BB753
    @SFG

    "But are our elites actually engaging in satanic rituals to worship the head of the Lowerarchy? Nah"

    You don't need to worship Satan to do his bidding, whether you realize it or not. Just look at the Davos/ Bilderberg crowd: they're into depopulation, creating a virtual and/ or synthetic reality, mutating mankind ( transhumanism), total control over our lives, negating human free will... That's totally satanic.

    https://youtu.be/Z-xElFKl0eE

    Replies: @Anonymous

    “You don’t need to worship Satan to do his bidding, whether you realize it or not.”

    Motte and bailey.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Anonymous

    It's not a fallacy: it's Christian dogma. If you do not obey the Lord, you're obeying Satan. You have to choose between the Light and the darkness.
    https://www.patristicfaith.com/orthodox-christianity/orthodox-christian-theology/the-problem-of-evil/

    Replies: @Anonymous

  40. @cool daddy jimbo
    @Arclight


    Like most modern art, it’s soul less and unoriginal.
     
    Speaking of modern art, one of the FoxNews anchors scrolled through some of Hunter Biden's "art" last night. My thought? "Some of that shit is kinda cool. I'd totally hang it up on my wall in the dorm and ponder it while I smoked dope and listened to Pink Floyd. It'd be a hot seller as a $9 poster on Amazon."

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Hunter Biden is a pretty cool dude.

    I watched Lawrence Fox’s biopic about Hunter Biden and can remember thinking that Fox isn’t as charismatic as Biden is.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @Steve Sailer

    Cool, defined as a five-time drug rehab alumnus who favors cavorting with prostitutes, while prostituting himself to foreign buyers of influence/association/name recognition...

    Seems a stretch.

    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @Steve Sailer

    He and his entire family should be in prison, but I can’t help thinking Hunter would’ve been fun to hang out with in my younger days. Come at me.

    Hunter is the only one of them who doesn’t conceal that he is a corrupt degenerate. In a perverse way, he takes drugs and lives that way because he is trying to tell us something. And the fact that he lives the life he does with zero consequences, with zero interest from the legitimate press who dream of one of the Trump kids doing even one of the things we know Hunter has done, does tell us something. I think the guy has a conscience of a sort. Even Tucker likes him.

    And you know what? Hunter’s paintings aren’t that bad.

  41. @mousey
    The symbolism of the modern Medusa accompanied by the other male statues of stone as a reflection on modern feminism. Not sure that’s what she was aiming for though.

    Replies: @SFG

    Medusa had snakes for hair, not arms. Snakes for arms are seen in a Dungeons & Dragons monster called the yuan-ti.

  42. @Anonymous
    @BB753

    "You don’t need to worship Satan to do his bidding, whether you realize it or not."

    Motte and bailey.

    Replies: @BB753

    It’s not a fallacy: it’s Christian dogma. If you do not obey the Lord, you’re obeying Satan. You have to choose between the Light and the darkness.
    https://www.patristicfaith.com/orthodox-christianity/orthodox-christian-theology/the-problem-of-evil/

    • Agree: tyrone
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @BB753

    Sounds a lot like lord of the rings shit.

    Have you tried living in the real world?

    Replies: @grinning

  43. In 1955 the court removed a turn-of-the-century, eight-foot-tall marble statue of the Prophet Muhammad when the Pakistani, Egyptian and Indonesian Embassies asked the State Department to intervene; many Muslims have deeply held religious beliefs that prohibit depictions of the prophet.

    I’m fine with the removal of the statue of Muhammed. We don’t need a statue of the Middle Eastern Joseph Smith anyway. I’m not fine with this practice of calling him “the Prophet Muhammed.” He’s not “the prophet,” and he’s not my prophet. Everyone knows who you’re talking about when you say ‘Muhammed.’

    Anyway, I didn’t want to like Shahzia Sikander’s work, and this thing and the demented monkey bars accompaniment they plopped down in Madison Square Park are not good, but I actually do like some of her miniature paintings. Persian/Mughal art is often very beautiful, and she has technique. Statues seem out of her purview, but I doubt she’ll find many public art commissions in her own country anyway. They prefer work like the Three Swords monument, which might be the ugliest piece of shit in the world.

    “She [the statue] is a fierce woman and a form of resistance in a space that has historically been dominated by patriarchal representation,” Sikander said to The New York Times. I wonder how long an American woman would live if she moved to Pakistan and put up a female statue meant to symbolize “resistance” and celebrate abortion.

    • Agree: Old Prude, BB753
    • Replies: @Anon
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Islam in the 1950s was seen the way we see Buddhism today, an exotic, primitive, ultimately non-threatening oriental religion whose leaders could help rally people to the anti-communist cause.

    Recently some boomer relatives were going on about how gullible Mormons are. I silently thought "they're gullible for believing that Joseph Smith saw Jesus but taking Paul's word for it is totally different?"

    , @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    I’m not fine with this practice of calling him “the Prophet Muhammed.” He’s not “the prophet,” and he’s not my prophet. Everyone knows who you’re talking about when you say ‘Muhammed.’

    Agreed. You'll notice that the media refers to Jesus simply as "Jesus" and not as "Jesus Christ", and correctly so. This would be biased language because he's not everyone's Christ. But, as we all know, things these days are all about "who" and "whom" and some animals are more equal than others.

    Replies: @Old Prude, @Tracy

  44. [MORE]

    It’s fine. I take you cannot appreciate having those… appendages for arms and feet. Few of us do. It’s not a learned taste. I understand. I’m against putting it there in the open for all to see, too. It should be mostly kept out of sight. Alas.

  45. @Coemgen
    @AndrewR


    ...the “sexual revolution” which has largely freed women (and men) from many of the negative consequences of sex...
     
    The negative consequences of sex:

    1. sexually transmitted disease
    2. depersonalization

    Um, shouldn't it be: "The sexual revolution is linked to a significant increase in negative consequences of sex."

    I won't bore anybody with graphs of 20th century STD rates, divorce rates, marriage rates, children born out-of-wedlock rates, etc. -- we already know there's a significant association between the sexual revolution and the disintegration of society.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    I obviously meant that STIs became treatable if not curable. I never even implied that the rates of VD went down، although frankly I don’t know the real stats. But it’s irrelevant. Most people would agree that one million cases of treatable gonorrhea is preferable to 100,000 cases of untreatable gonorrhea.

  46. @Inselaffen
    I remember having to defeat one of those in one of the harder subquests of Baldur's Gate.

    Replies: @Fluesterwitz

    Well, your service is once more required.

  47. If Duchamp’s urinal were a woman …

    Perhaps one day it and others like it will share the destiny of the Confederate generals.
    Or Afghanistan’s Buddhas.

    • Agree: Old Prude
  48. @BB753
    @Anonymous

    It's not a fallacy: it's Christian dogma. If you do not obey the Lord, you're obeying Satan. You have to choose between the Light and the darkness.
    https://www.patristicfaith.com/orthodox-christianity/orthodox-christian-theology/the-problem-of-evil/

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Sounds a lot like lord of the rings shit.

    Have you tried living in the real world?

    • Troll: BB753
    • Replies: @grinning
    @Anonymous

    This makes sense as Tolkien was an orthodox Catholic and constructed his fictional world in appreciation of that fact. Not much of an own, got anything else?

  49. Justice, however, has traditionally been represented in sculpture, since the time of Augustus, as a woman.

    Shouldn’t this, chivalrous, obvious fraud be enough?

  50. “She is a fierce woman and a form of resistance in a space that has historically been dominated by patriarchal representation.”

    So she’s a tired, empty cliche’. Got it.

  51. @Anon
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Every time you see an expose of alleged pedophilia it turns out to be a teenage girl voluntarily prostituting herself.

    There is a class element here, low class girls from chaotic families are unchaste and men from all classes can take advantage of that. The solution is for low class families to put down the meth, stop cheating on one another, stop divorcing, and actually discipline their children for once in their lives. It's not to join the white trash conspiracy theorist goon march that seeks to blame everyone but them for their daughters being sluts.

    Replies: @clifford brown, @Bill Jones, @Old Prude

    • Thanks: JohnnyWalker123
    • Replies: @Anon
    @clifford brown

    https://preview.redd.it/mz7fl6lp79uz.jpg?auto=webp&s=882c1f2166525d96ad15c86d8e30291d382a5361

  52. Anon[295] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    In 1955 the court removed a turn-of-the-century, eight-foot-tall marble statue of the Prophet Muhammad when the Pakistani, Egyptian and Indonesian Embassies asked the State Department to intervene; many Muslims have deeply held religious beliefs that prohibit depictions of the prophet.
     
    I'm fine with the removal of the statue of Muhammed. We don't need a statue of the Middle Eastern Joseph Smith anyway. I'm not fine with this practice of calling him "the Prophet Muhammed." He's not "the prophet," and he's not my prophet. Everyone knows who you're talking about when you say 'Muhammed.'

    Anyway, I didn't want to like Shahzia Sikander's work, and this thing and the demented monkey bars accompaniment they plopped down in Madison Square Park are not good, but I actually do like some of her miniature paintings. Persian/Mughal art is often very beautiful, and she has technique. Statues seem out of her purview, but I doubt she'll find many public art commissions in her own country anyway. They prefer work like the Three Swords monument, which might be the ugliest piece of shit in the world.

    “She [the statue] is a fierce woman and a form of resistance in a space that has historically been dominated by patriarchal representation,” Sikander said to The New York Times. I wonder how long an American woman would live if she moved to Pakistan and put up a female statue meant to symbolize "resistance" and celebrate abortion.

    Replies: @Anon, @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.

    Islam in the 1950s was seen the way we see Buddhism today, an exotic, primitive, ultimately non-threatening oriental religion whose leaders could help rally people to the anti-communist cause.

    Recently some boomer relatives were going on about how gullible Mormons are. I silently thought “they’re gullible for believing that Joseph Smith saw Jesus but taking Paul’s word for it is totally different?”

  53. “She is a fierce woman and a form of resistance in a space that has historically been dominated by patriarchal representation,” said Sikander, who previously served on the New York Mayoral Advisory Commission of City Art, Monuments and Markers.

    Perfect representation of feminism:
    “Fierce woman … blah, blah, blah …” … cushy government job, grant, sinecure.

    Here’s my take on feminism. “You go girl! Do whatever the hell you want.”

    What is vile, is their demand that normal productive men subsidize them. And that is the gist of it. Feminists do not demand “freedom”, they demand subsidy.

    The plain fact is men are simply way more productive and–those of us with “thingy” orientation–are the people who have created and produce the bountiful, comfortable world–with abundant food, comfy houses, power, heat, light, cell phones and flush toilets–that these “women” just expect to show up and be given to them, without doing the one thing civilization requires of women.

    In short feminists–like minoritarians generally–are parasites.

    This is why the simple “idea” of separation is powerful and we need leaders and politicians who will say it:

    Normal productive people have the right to live their lives and govern themselves in their own communities according to their ownnorms and values. And should not be compelled to support others–parasites–rejecting those values.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
  54. This is at least partially a statue of RBG and the Muslim sculptor (perhaps in the renaissance tradition) gave her horns?

    I certainly hope some screeching harpies on the left notice this pronto.

  55. @clifford brown
    @Anon

    https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/205/251/hansenlol.jpg

    Replies: @Anon

  56. @Nicholas Stix
    affirmative action "art."

    I first saw bad, political rationalizations for awful "art" at an exhibit of "things" by angry homosexuals who were dying of aids in manhattan in 1989, "Witnesses: Against Our Vanishing."

    They were mad as hell at the normal people whom they blamed for their coming deaths.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @SFG, @AnotherDad, @Kolya Krassotkin

    … “Witnesses: Against Our Vanishing.”

    They were mad as hell at the normal people whom they blamed for their coming deaths.

    Few things as annoying as whiny homos. (Though there’s a lot of competition these days.)

    Homosexuals are disordered. And boring dead twigs on the tree of life. AIDS being an epidemic is–of course–their own damn fault.

    And yes there–eventually–will be a “vanishing”. When we figure this out, no one is going to want to have homos around anymore.

  57. @JohnnyWalker123
    Why do Hollywood celebs have such "odd" taste in art work? Why is she keeping a picture of a child being tortured? Do any of you keep this type of artwork in your home?

    https://twitter.com/liz_churchill8/status/1615161835082207240

    Just think about Jeffrey Epstein (especially his Occult temple on his island), Marina Abramovich, Pizza Gate, and the Podesta brothers. Are sexual debauchery (including pedophilia), Sadism, and Occultism rampant in elite circles?

    What's the deal with popular Balenciaga clothing brand?

    https://twitter.com/4biddnKnowledge/status/1597223377194086401

    https://twitter.com/olilondontv/status/1595774374904500224

    Why are elites so obsessed with pushing LGBT degeneracy onto kids. Are they attempting to groom kids into pedophile rings and introduce them to Occultism and Sadism? Does any of this have any relation to "The Finders" cult and the Larry King (Boystown Omaha) scandal?

    What exactly is going on at the top that we don't know about?

    Replies: @Anon, @SFG, @Reg Cæsar, @Jack D, @Inquiring Mind

    Because it horrifies you, mostly. “The Christians hate us, we’re doing something right! We’re so brave!”

    The sadomasochism is a way liberal women get around their feminism to enjoy nastier men. “Oh, but it’s so transgressive!”

    LGBT doubles as a way to separate kids from their (more conservative) parents and get white kids voting D-see, you’re evil, but if you sleep with someone of the same sex, you’re oppressed and thus good.

    • Replies: @Joe Magarac
    @SFG


    LGBT doubles as a way to separate kids from their (more conservative) parents and get white kids voting D-see, you’re evil, but if you sleep with someone of the same sex, you’re oppressed and thus good.
     
    100% correct, but don't leave out the next step.

    Indoctrination or even abuse can be overcome.
    Get them to agree to castration and you have a Democrat for life.
  58. @Anon
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Every time you see an expose of alleged pedophilia it turns out to be a teenage girl voluntarily prostituting herself.

    There is a class element here, low class girls from chaotic families are unchaste and men from all classes can take advantage of that. The solution is for low class families to put down the meth, stop cheating on one another, stop divorcing, and actually discipline their children for once in their lives. It's not to join the white trash conspiracy theorist goon march that seeks to blame everyone but them for their daughters being sluts.

    Replies: @clifford brown, @Bill Jones, @Old Prude

    And how did your case go?
    Did you get them to drop it?

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Bill Jones

    Ad hominem attack doesn't refute my point.

    Deep down you know I'm right.

  59. I guess hands are hard.

  60. @SFG
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Because it horrifies you, mostly. “The Christians hate us, we’re doing something right! We’re so brave!”

    The sadomasochism is a way liberal women get around their feminism to enjoy nastier men. “Oh, but it’s so transgressive!”

    LGBT doubles as a way to separate kids from their (more conservative) parents and get white kids voting D-see, you’re evil, but if you sleep with someone of the same sex, you’re oppressed and thus good.

    Replies: @Joe Magarac

    LGBT doubles as a way to separate kids from their (more conservative) parents and get white kids voting D-see, you’re evil, but if you sleep with someone of the same sex, you’re oppressed and thus good.

    100% correct, but don’t leave out the next step.

    Indoctrination or even abuse can be overcome.
    Get them to agree to castration and you have a Democrat for life.

  61. Justice, however, has traditionally been represented in sculpture, since the time of Augustus, as a woman.

    She also balances Liberty on New York’s seal and flag:

    My kind of girl statue is Electra, atop Alabama Power’s edifice in Birmingham. If only she were bigger, and thus more visible, like Vulcan across town.

    This guy wrote columns about them in the local paper, columns titled “A Love Story of Vulcan and Electra”.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @Reg Cæsar


    My kind of girl statue is Electra, atop Alabama Power’s edifice in Birmingham
     
    Commonwealth Edison has a guy on a building doing that in Chicago.

    https://youtu.be/wUXoNt3KcbI?t=713
    [11:53]

    , @stari_momak
    @Reg Cæsar

    I love fascist adjacent Art-Deco.

  62. @Steve Sailer
    @cool daddy jimbo

    Hunter Biden is a pretty cool dude.

    I watched Lawrence Fox's biopic about Hunter Biden and can remember thinking that Fox isn't as charismatic as Biden is.

    Replies: @Forbes, @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Cool, defined as a five-time drug rehab alumnus who favors cavorting with prostitutes, while prostituting himself to foreign buyers of influence/association/name recognition…

    Seems a stretch.

  63. The base of the sculpture in case there were any doubts. Note that the side profile reveals the sculpted hair to be goat horns and tentacles for feet.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @clifford brown

    From the Tweet:


    It is meant to pay homage to Ruth Bader Ginsberg and her fight for abortion.
     
    Why would anyone fight for the death of babies? You are supposed to say that you are fighting for "abortion health care" or "abortion rights" or "choice". The less intelligent followers sometimes slip up and make Kinsley gaffes where you accidentally tell the truth.

    Replies: @Anon, @Targaleto, @Post-Postmodernist

    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    @clifford brown

    Thanks for this.

    My first thought when Steve posted the image of this abomination was 'Oh, it's Ruth Baphomet Ginsberg'.

  64. @JohnnyWalker123
    Why do Hollywood celebs have such "odd" taste in art work? Why is she keeping a picture of a child being tortured? Do any of you keep this type of artwork in your home?

    https://twitter.com/liz_churchill8/status/1615161835082207240

    Just think about Jeffrey Epstein (especially his Occult temple on his island), Marina Abramovich, Pizza Gate, and the Podesta brothers. Are sexual debauchery (including pedophilia), Sadism, and Occultism rampant in elite circles?

    What's the deal with popular Balenciaga clothing brand?

    https://twitter.com/4biddnKnowledge/status/1597223377194086401

    https://twitter.com/olilondontv/status/1595774374904500224

    Why are elites so obsessed with pushing LGBT degeneracy onto kids. Are they attempting to groom kids into pedophile rings and introduce them to Occultism and Sadism? Does any of this have any relation to "The Finders" cult and the Larry King (Boystown Omaha) scandal?

    What exactly is going on at the top that we don't know about?

    Replies: @Anon, @SFG, @Reg Cæsar, @Jack D, @Inquiring Mind

    Please allow my inner Victorian to come to Miss Curtis’s defense. The picture on her wall was a gift from, and taken by, Betsy Schneider, who started out as an assistant to Sally Mann, famous for photos of her three children cavorting naked, innocently, in the Virginia countryside.

    There is nothing remotely erotic about that photo, anymore than those undergarment pages in the old Sears’ and Penney’s catalogues once delivered to our homes. Those could be repurposed as pornography as well, and no doubt were. (No, this isn’t a confession.)

    This would have been taken as unremarkable in the days of Lewis Carroll, Andrew Lang, or Maxfield Parrish.* The general lack of sexual freedom allowed for depictions of childhood nudity as a celebration of innocence. But it was already controversial in the 1970s, in the wake of the newfound sexual license of that era.

    Come on, it’s just a bare-ass kid playing with toys in her yard! Yes, it could be read as an S&M reference, but why would you? It’s possible that Jamie Lee might see it that way, but I’ll give her the benefit of the doubt. She herself was one of the last actresses reticent about appearing nude on-screen. (A task she’s said her early horror work never demanded of her, unlike the “mainstream”.)

    In contrast, the Balenciaga stuff is genuinely sick, and they should be made to pay dearly. We suffer from a serious shortage of sexual repression these days!

    *Likewise, it is in the most “homophobic” countries that straight male friends feel free to hold one another’s hand. There is less chance of misinterpretation.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Reg Cæsar

    "There is nothing remotely erotic about that photo,"

    And there is nothing remotely erotic about an 8 year old child, unless you are, of course, someone who is sexual attracted to 8 year olds.

    To me a cigar is just a cigar, but it isn't to all others.

    Replies: @Anon

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Reg Cæsar

    Jeez Reg, I’ve never seen you so tap-dancingly effusive, so expansive—something about this subject has got you doing the ha-cha-cha, the ol’ frazzle-dazzle!


    https://st2.depositphotos.com/5777248/9524/v/600/depositphotos_95249532-stock-illustration-tap-dancer-cartoon-illustration.jpg

    🤔 🧐

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/feminism-superstition/#comment-3261611

    Let's zoom in:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/is-pre-k-school-really-a-panacea/#comment-5142784

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-rise-in-anti-whiteism-among-whites/#comment-5250507

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/democratic-national-zoom-convention/#comment-4105791

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/oak-park-v-chicagos-austin-neighborhood/#comment-1054628

    , @Post-Postmodernist
    @Reg Cæsar


    The general lack of sexual freedom allowed for depictions of childhood nudity as a celebration of innocence. But it was already controversial in the 1970s, in the wake of the newfound sexual license of that era.
     
    Would that not, at least in large part, be an example of an inverse correlation that has been noted: The emergence of pedohysteria as nearly all previously held sexual taboos and stigmas (such as those that once surrounded fornication; adultery; homosexuality; pornography; oral as well as anal sodomy, etc.) increasingly vanished?

    When did the hysteria over even fully-clothed photography of minors take hold in earnest? At what point did the type of street photography that includes some of the most acclaimed works of such iconic figures as Jacob Riis, Henri Cartier-Bresson, and Helen Levitt become beyond the bounds of social acceptability?

    Sally Mann, famous for photos of her three children cavorting naked, innocently, in the Virginia countryside.
     
    The photos themselves have been innocent enough but what about the fact of her publishing them? That does not sit right with me-- not because I think it put the children at any real risk of physical harm but because, in our society, it could cause them embarrassment and discomfort, unwanted attention, and as children, I don't see how they could properly consent.

    In contrast, the Balenciaga stuff is genuinely sick, and they should be made to pay dearly.
     
    Yes, absolutely vile.

    We suffer from a serious shortage of sexual repression these days!
     
    In many respects, yes.
    , @Post-Postmodernist
    @Reg Cæsar

    Tangentially related:
    Vintage Kohler Ad
    When that boy of yours takes "all day" in the bathroom...

    Imagine that as the opening of a Victorian era PSA...

    , @Anon
    @Reg Cæsar


    This would have been taken as unremarkable in the days of Lewis Carroll, Andrew Lang, or Maxfield Parrish.* The general lack of sexual freedom allowed for depictions of childhood nudity as a celebration of innocence.
     
    Concerning Carroll (Charles Lutwidge Dodgson), controversy abounds.

    From The Telegraph (UK) in 2015: BBC investigates whether Lewis Carroll was 'repressed paedophile' after nude photo discovery

    The picture, which is not comprehensively proven to have been taken by
    Carroll, is believed to show Alice’s elder sister entirely nude, in a
    full-frontal pose described by Kearney as something “no parent would
    ever have consented to”.
     

    Found in a French museum with an inscribed attribution on the frame
    saying it was by Lewis Carroll and of Lorina Liddell, it shows an
    “uneasy” pubescent model in her teenage years.

    Expert analysis shows it was taken around the time Carroll was seeing
    the Liddells, using the same processes he is known to have used in
    photography.
     

    Vanessa Tait, the great-granddaughter of Alice Liddell and spokesman for
    the family, said she had grown up knowing about the “strange” elements
    of Carroll’s relationship with her ancestors, but that she had not been
    aware of the photograph in question until now.

    “My understanding is that he was in love with Alice, but he was so
    repressed that he never would have transgressed any boundaries,” she said.
     
  65. @Arclight
    Like most modern art, it's soul less and unoriginal. Thanks to my spouse, I periodically have to attend gallery show openings, new museum exhibitions, etc. All the language used to describe art is exceedingly painful to read and similar - artists 'interrogate' something though the 'lens' of race, gender, etc. In the end, most artists trying to get noticed resort to the same themes that our politics push and try to paint themselves as transgressive by echoing the powerful institutions in society.

    Replies: @cool daddy jimbo, @Almost Missouri

    All the language used to describe art is exceedingly painful to read and similar

    Whenever art (or entertainment) is described as “urgent” you know it’s a piece of crap.

    They used “urgent” twice, just in what Steve quoted.

    “Fierce” too.

    Crap.

    • Agree: Old Prude
    • Replies: @Corpse Tooth
    @Almost Missouri

    "Crap."

    The end result when art and activism are merged. Politics and ideology are transitory shit shows. Art is transcendent.

  66. @JohnnyWalker123
    Why do Hollywood celebs have such "odd" taste in art work? Why is she keeping a picture of a child being tortured? Do any of you keep this type of artwork in your home?

    https://twitter.com/liz_churchill8/status/1615161835082207240

    Just think about Jeffrey Epstein (especially his Occult temple on his island), Marina Abramovich, Pizza Gate, and the Podesta brothers. Are sexual debauchery (including pedophilia), Sadism, and Occultism rampant in elite circles?

    What's the deal with popular Balenciaga clothing brand?

    https://twitter.com/4biddnKnowledge/status/1597223377194086401

    https://twitter.com/olilondontv/status/1595774374904500224

    Why are elites so obsessed with pushing LGBT degeneracy onto kids. Are they attempting to groom kids into pedophile rings and introduce them to Occultism and Sadism? Does any of this have any relation to "The Finders" cult and the Larry King (Boystown Omaha) scandal?

    What exactly is going on at the top that we don't know about?

    Replies: @Anon, @SFG, @Reg Cæsar, @Jack D, @Inquiring Mind

    Jewish Billionaires, The Pinault family,

    The Pinault family are not Jewish in any way, shape or form. This is simply a lie.

    • Agree: Post-Postmodernist
  67. @clifford brown
    The base of the sculpture in case there were any doubts. Note that the side profile reveals the sculpted hair to be goat horns and tentacles for feet.

    https://twitter.com/AndrewBeckUSA/status/1618248543537606656

    Replies: @Jack D, @The Last Real Calvinist

    From the Tweet:

    It is meant to pay homage to Ruth Bader Ginsberg and her fight for abortion.

    Why would anyone fight for the death of babies? You are supposed to say that you are fighting for “abortion health care” or “abortion rights” or “choice”. The less intelligent followers sometimes slip up and make Kinsley gaffes where you accidentally tell the truth.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Jack D

    Why would anyone fight for the banning of abortion? It doesn't benefit you in any way. It makes you feel virtuous, but you can get the same virtuous-rush from donating to charity. Doing the latter won't lead to a dysgenic deterioration of your country.

    , @Targaleto
    @Jack D

    If you don't like abortion, don't get one. That's why they call it "choice."

    In a just world every pro-lifer would get section 8 housing built in their neighborhood. They are every bit as hypocritical as these Lefties who say "refugees welcome" from their lily-white neighborhoods.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Mike Tre

    , @Post-Postmodernist
    @Jack D


    You are supposed to say that you are fighting for “abortion health care” or “abortion rights” or “choice”.
     
    Reproductive choice. Reproductive health (/care). Reproductive rights.

    Aren't these, which completely eliminate any direct, explicit reference to abortion, the most current preferred euphemisms?

    [From your followup post:]


    “Right to Choose” is itself an evasion),
     
    The language of the war lobby and the abortion lobby is from the same glossary of evasions.- Colman McCarthy, Marchers For Death, The Washington Post, 1992

    Replies: @Jack D

  68. @AndrewR
    @HammerJack

    I don't try to make sense of Clown World but I will note that it's extremely illogical to dedicate this statue to women's reproductive freedom, given that few if any men could sustain an erection around that demonic looking creature if it were real. But shoving Satanism in our faces is the among the top priorities of our rulers.

    Replies: @Corpse Tooth

    “But shoving Satanism in our faces is among the top priorities of our rulers.”

    Satan is a Christian concept. Most if not all of the imagery in this thread is pagan or Kabbalistic in origin. Lots of demonolatry can be found in the Zohar. So what does that tell you about your rulers?

  69. @Jack D
    @clifford brown

    From the Tweet:


    It is meant to pay homage to Ruth Bader Ginsberg and her fight for abortion.
     
    Why would anyone fight for the death of babies? You are supposed to say that you are fighting for "abortion health care" or "abortion rights" or "choice". The less intelligent followers sometimes slip up and make Kinsley gaffes where you accidentally tell the truth.

    Replies: @Anon, @Targaleto, @Post-Postmodernist

    Why would anyone fight for the banning of abortion? It doesn’t benefit you in any way. It makes you feel virtuous, but you can get the same virtuous-rush from donating to charity. Doing the latter won’t lead to a dysgenic deterioration of your country.

  70. @Almost Missouri
    @Arclight


    All the language used to describe art is exceedingly painful to read and similar
     
    Whenever art (or entertainment) is described as "urgent" you know it's a piece of crap.

    They used "urgent" twice, just in what Steve quoted.

    "Fierce" too.

    Crap.

    Replies: @Corpse Tooth

    “Crap.”

    The end result when art and activism are merged. Politics and ideology are transitory shit shows. Art is transcendent.

    • Thanks: Old Prude
  71. @SFG
    I never found the Satanism thing that convincing--I spent years around lefties of the academic variety and never saw any real enthusiasm for God's Opposite Number. Sticking it to their political opponents the Evangelical Christians, definitely. The witchcraft thing was never taken seriously, though now some younger lefties seem to be doing it as a non-patriarchal form of religion--but that's a new thing, when it was last popular back in the 90s it was teenage girls rebelling against their parents. Those people believe in science (except HBD), their own overdeveloped sense of compassion for people who are oppressed or different, and sticking it to evangelical Christians. Even the Epstein temple seemed to me more a matter of believing he was doing something naughty and secret and showing off about it.

    There's an actual Church of Satan, but they're small and not particularly powerful. In the LaVey days they were closer to libertarians than anything else, and now they've got female priests and agitate for reproductive rights. They're sticking it to the (Christian) Man, they're atheists underneath it all.

    If you believe in a supernatural force of evil that tempts people to sin, sure, they've rejected God and are following their animal urges for sex.

    But are our elites actually engaging in satanic rituals to worship the head of the Lowerarchy? Nah. Lame anti-Christian art like 'spirit cooking' is a red herring. They're trying to make as many kids LGBT as possible so they can turn them against their conservative parents, encouraging them to mutilate themselves in some gnostic ideology, making the few remaining straight white kids identify as some sort of LGBT as a way out of the guilt of being 'cishet', and so on. Isn't that bad enough?

    They're interested in money, power, and sex, a trinity Tony Montana would have recognized. Satan? Only if it pisses you off.

    Replies: @BB753, @puttheforkdown, @Targaleto, @Excal, @al gore rhythms

    They’re interested in money, power, and sex

    So, Satan in short. Way to overcomplicate things…

    • Replies: @Anon
    @puttheforkdown

    You can call acquiring money, power, and sex Satanic. I call it winning.

    This is what Nietzsche was talking about when he described Christianity as a form of slave morality.

    Replies: @Ultra Fine

    , @Anne Lid
    @puttheforkdown

    Literally. "For all that is in the world, is the concupiscence of the flesh, and the concupiscence of the eyes, and the pride of life, which is not of the Father, but is of the world." On their own sex, money and power are not bad. Chasing them instead of searching what is true and good is the trap.

  72. This is the kind of new statue that gets admiringly written about, not the hundreds of new statues that make their subjects look good.

    Several things going on:

    1. These kind of ideological “artists” don’t have usually the talent to execute a realistic sculpture.

    2. Although strict abstractionism is no longer popular, realistic representational sculpture is not avant garde enough either and is considered to be kind of kitschy. You’re going to find statues like that Koufax sculpture in front of ballparks, not in museums.

    3. RBG’s fastball was kind of weak. You really don’t want to see a sculpture of her pitching anyway – it would not be a pretty sight.

    4. A lot of modern sculpture is based upon renderings of photographs. I would bet that’s how that Koufax statue was made. In the past, you couldn’t get a model to stand still for hours with one foot in the air and even if you could, it would not accurately mimic a freeze frame from a windup. Before photography, no one really knew what frozen motion looked like. In 1872, Leland Stanford hired Muybridge to take photos of a horse running in order to settle a bet as to whether all four hooves are in the air at the same time – no one knew this for sure. It took Muybridge 6 years to figure out how to capture this:

    Anyway, what photograph of RBG in motion could you use? Perhaps doing her famous gym workout? Now, THERE’S a statue.

    • Thanks: Old Prude
  73. GPT-3 prompt: “Write the opening to an Arts section article for the New York Times. Have the reporter praise a 53-year-old progressive, feminist, Avant-Garde, foreign-born sculptor with an exotic name. Fill the first paragraph with conventional tropes. In the second paragraph, create a self-congratulatory quote from the sculptor. Make the praise so lavish that the article borders on parody.”

    Shahzia Sikander, 53, the paradigm-busting Pakistani American artist behind the work, said the sculpture was part of an urgent and necessary cultural reckoning underway as New York, along with cities across the world, reconsiders traditional representations of power in public spaces and recasts civic structures to better reflect 21st-century social mores.

    “She is a fierce woman and a form of resistance in a space that has historically been dominated by patriarchal representation,” said Sikander, who previously served on the New York Mayoral Advisory Commission of City Art, Monuments and Markers.

  74. @SFG
    I never found the Satanism thing that convincing--I spent years around lefties of the academic variety and never saw any real enthusiasm for God's Opposite Number. Sticking it to their political opponents the Evangelical Christians, definitely. The witchcraft thing was never taken seriously, though now some younger lefties seem to be doing it as a non-patriarchal form of religion--but that's a new thing, when it was last popular back in the 90s it was teenage girls rebelling against their parents. Those people believe in science (except HBD), their own overdeveloped sense of compassion for people who are oppressed or different, and sticking it to evangelical Christians. Even the Epstein temple seemed to me more a matter of believing he was doing something naughty and secret and showing off about it.

    There's an actual Church of Satan, but they're small and not particularly powerful. In the LaVey days they were closer to libertarians than anything else, and now they've got female priests and agitate for reproductive rights. They're sticking it to the (Christian) Man, they're atheists underneath it all.

    If you believe in a supernatural force of evil that tempts people to sin, sure, they've rejected God and are following their animal urges for sex.

    But are our elites actually engaging in satanic rituals to worship the head of the Lowerarchy? Nah. Lame anti-Christian art like 'spirit cooking' is a red herring. They're trying to make as many kids LGBT as possible so they can turn them against their conservative parents, encouraging them to mutilate themselves in some gnostic ideology, making the few remaining straight white kids identify as some sort of LGBT as a way out of the guilt of being 'cishet', and so on. Isn't that bad enough?

    They're interested in money, power, and sex, a trinity Tony Montana would have recognized. Satan? Only if it pisses you off.

    Replies: @BB753, @puttheforkdown, @Targaleto, @Excal, @al gore rhythms

    Yep. The elites look down on dumb proles who believe in deities. They troll the proles by using satanic imagery and then laugh at the proles’ inability to recognize that they, who think of themselves as highly intelligent, don’t actually believe in ridiculous ideas like horned deities.

    It’s similar to how people troll the MSM into printing ridiculous stuff like this:

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/emaoconnor/baltimore-loot-crew-is-fake

  75. The Lahore-born Sikander, whose work has been displayed at the Whitney Biennial and who made her name reimagining the art of Indo-Persian miniature painting from a feminist, post-colonial perspective, was at pains to emphasize that Muhammad’s removal and her installation were completely unrelated. “My figure is not replacing anyone or canceling anyone,” she said.

    “Indo-Persian.” Um. Maybe Ms. Sikander knows as much about the rise of the Mugals as (say) Razib Khan, and deliberately chooses to take the re-imagining of that exceptionally bloody colonial history to heights that would do O’Brien proud.

    Or perhaps she is happy to follow the trail blazed by the likes of Benjamin Crump, and wisely claims a niche where she can employ her talents, ethnic background, and ignorance to best advantage.

  76. @Jack D
    @clifford brown

    From the Tweet:


    It is meant to pay homage to Ruth Bader Ginsberg and her fight for abortion.
     
    Why would anyone fight for the death of babies? You are supposed to say that you are fighting for "abortion health care" or "abortion rights" or "choice". The less intelligent followers sometimes slip up and make Kinsley gaffes where you accidentally tell the truth.

    Replies: @Anon, @Targaleto, @Post-Postmodernist

    If you don’t like abortion, don’t get one. That’s why they call it “choice.”

    In a just world every pro-lifer would get section 8 housing built in their neighborhood. They are every bit as hypocritical as these Lefties who say “refugees welcome” from their lily-white neighborhoods.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Targaleto

    You and Anon are missing my point. The Tweeter didn't say that RBG fought for "a woman's right to choose" (choose what? What color shoes she wants to wear? "Right to Choose" is itself an evasion), he said that she for "for abortion".

    , @Mike Tre
    @Targaleto

    It's actually difficult to untangle the ignorant contradictions of that short post.

    But here is my choice: not to pay for anyone else's abortion, directly, or through my forcibly acquired tax dollars. Deal? No? I didn't think so. Hypocrite, indeed.

    Replies: @Targaleto

  77. @Reg Cæsar

    Justice, however, has traditionally been represented in sculpture, since the time of Augustus, as a woman.
     
    She also balances Liberty on New York's seal and flag:


    https://statesymbolsusa.org/sites/statesymbolsusa.org/files/primary-images/newYorkStateFlagofNY.jpg


    My kind of girl statue is Electra, atop Alabama Power's edifice in Birmingham. If only she were bigger, and thus more visible, like Vulcan across town.

    https://www.bhamwiki.com/wiki/images/d/de/Electra_in_studio.jpg


    This guy wrote columns about them in the local paper, columns titled "A Love Story of Vulcan and Electra".



    https://www.bhamwiki.com/wiki/images/7/77/Dr_BUL_Conner.jpg

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @stari_momak

    My kind of girl statue is Electra, atop Alabama Power’s edifice in Birmingham

    Commonwealth Edison has a guy on a building doing that in Chicago.

    [11:53]

  78. The wisdom of Nancy:

  79. @AndrewR
    @Nicholas Stix

    "Normal" men have no less desire to freely sow their seed than gay men do. The difference is that women are the gatekeepers of sex and so straight men generally have a much harder time finding new sexual partners than gay men do, although this has become slightly less true since the "sexual revolution" which has largely freed women (and men) from many of the negative consequences of sex. The AIDS epidemic was a departure from the sexual freedom that characterized the 1970s - a freedom which has been mostly restored with effective HIV antiretrovirals. Antibiotic resistance will likely end this second era, perhaps permanently.

    Replies: @Coemgen, @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr., @Post-Postmodernist, @Corvinus

    straight men generally have a much harder time finding new sexual partners than gay men do, although this has become slightly less true since the “sexual revolution”

    It has become far less true for the most desirable 20%. It has become far more true for the least desirable 80%, at least until they’re well into their 30’s and the women in their cohort are used-up, damaged goods with ticking biological clocks who are looking to settle for any man with a good-paying job who isn’t totally repulsive. (It’s a lot easier for women to get sex from the twenty-percenters than commitment, and getting even sex from them becomes difficult as a woman ages.)

    The sexual revolution ushered in an era of soft polygamy, where most young women are monopolized by the most desirable males. Why do you think VD rates are so much higher among young women than young men?

    Antibiotic resistance will likely end this second era, perhaps permanently.

    I hope you’re right but fear you’re wrong. Rather than what you’ve described, there will probably actually be medical breakthroughs which render antibiotics obsolete.

  80. @Bardon Kaldian
    Progress.

    Then:

    Mitch: Parla!

    https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/717lk5a+jiL._AC_UF894,1000_QL80_.jpg

    Now:

    Shahzee: Ummm...ewwww...

    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2023/01/24/multimedia/24courtsculpture7-bkcf/24courtsculpture7-bkcf-superJumbo.jpg

    Replies: @dearieme

    It’s impressive that the old boy has a laptop.

    • LOL: Bardon Kaldian
  81. @Ghost of Bull Moose

    In 1955 the court removed a turn-of-the-century, eight-foot-tall marble statue of the Prophet Muhammad when the Pakistani, Egyptian and Indonesian Embassies asked the State Department to intervene; many Muslims have deeply held religious beliefs that prohibit depictions of the prophet.
     
    I'm fine with the removal of the statue of Muhammed. We don't need a statue of the Middle Eastern Joseph Smith anyway. I'm not fine with this practice of calling him "the Prophet Muhammed." He's not "the prophet," and he's not my prophet. Everyone knows who you're talking about when you say 'Muhammed.'

    Anyway, I didn't want to like Shahzia Sikander's work, and this thing and the demented monkey bars accompaniment they plopped down in Madison Square Park are not good, but I actually do like some of her miniature paintings. Persian/Mughal art is often very beautiful, and she has technique. Statues seem out of her purview, but I doubt she'll find many public art commissions in her own country anyway. They prefer work like the Three Swords monument, which might be the ugliest piece of shit in the world.

    “She [the statue] is a fierce woman and a form of resistance in a space that has historically been dominated by patriarchal representation,” Sikander said to The New York Times. I wonder how long an American woman would live if she moved to Pakistan and put up a female statue meant to symbolize "resistance" and celebrate abortion.

    Replies: @Anon, @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.

    I’m not fine with this practice of calling him “the Prophet Muhammed.” He’s not “the prophet,” and he’s not my prophet. Everyone knows who you’re talking about when you say ‘Muhammed.’

    Agreed. You’ll notice that the media refers to Jesus simply as “Jesus” and not as “Jesus Christ”, and correctly so. This would be biased language because he’s not everyone’s Christ. But, as we all know, things these days are all about “who” and “whom” and some animals are more equal than others.

    • Replies: @Old Prude
    @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.

    That’s Jesus Christ, Lord and Savior. Get it right.

    Replies: @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.

    , @Tracy
    @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.

    Yes, Jesus is everyone's Christ, whether they know it or not.

  82. @puttheforkdown
    @SFG


    They’re interested in money, power, and sex
     
    So, Satan in short. Way to overcomplicate things...

    Replies: @Anon, @Anne Lid

    You can call acquiring money, power, and sex Satanic. I call it winning.

    This is what Nietzsche was talking about when he described Christianity as a form of slave morality.

    • Replies: @Ultra Fine
    @Anon

    +1

    Pietistic Christianity is a lot like wokeness, a never-ending guilt trip against the successful and superior by the resentful losers.

  83. @Anonymous
    @BB753

    Sounds a lot like lord of the rings shit.

    Have you tried living in the real world?

    Replies: @grinning

    This makes sense as Tolkien was an orthodox Catholic and constructed his fictional world in appreciation of that fact. Not much of an own, got anything else?

    • Agree: BB753
  84. @Anon
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Every time you see an expose of alleged pedophilia it turns out to be a teenage girl voluntarily prostituting herself.

    There is a class element here, low class girls from chaotic families are unchaste and men from all classes can take advantage of that. The solution is for low class families to put down the meth, stop cheating on one another, stop divorcing, and actually discipline their children for once in their lives. It's not to join the white trash conspiracy theorist goon march that seeks to blame everyone but them for their daughters being sluts.

    Replies: @clifford brown, @Bill Jones, @Old Prude

    Almost all the pedophilia cases I hear about are gay priests unable and unwilling to control their urges with little boys.

    The Catholic Church doesn’t have a pedophilia problem. It has a homosexual priest problem. But that’s not how it’s reported.

  85. @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    I’m not fine with this practice of calling him “the Prophet Muhammed.” He’s not “the prophet,” and he’s not my prophet. Everyone knows who you’re talking about when you say ‘Muhammed.’

    Agreed. You'll notice that the media refers to Jesus simply as "Jesus" and not as "Jesus Christ", and correctly so. This would be biased language because he's not everyone's Christ. But, as we all know, things these days are all about "who" and "whom" and some animals are more equal than others.

    Replies: @Old Prude, @Tracy

    That’s Jesus Christ, Lord and Savior. Get it right.

    • Replies: @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.
    @Old Prude

    Turning the other cheek, not resisting evil, loving my enemies and submitting myself to the governing authorities (who are mad with anti-white, genocidal bloodlust) seems to me like the teaching of a suicide cult.

    I think maybe we need a new Lord and Savior.

    Fact is, one of the reasons the west is in such a terrible bind is that, after all these centuries, Christians are once again finally acting like real Christians.

    In Roman times, Christianity began as a creed of slaves. Fittingly, it will also end that way.

    https://i.imgur.com/WlsCwfy.jpeg

    https://i.imgur.com/BEkolLF.jpeg

    Replies: @Tracy

  86. I’m more than OK with edgy art, what I’m horrified by is that we’re officially sponsoring the self-consciously “transgressive” and putting it in major museums and on public buildings. That’s completely topsy-turvy and nuts. Square mainstream society ought to have (and express, endorse, sanction and display) wholesome trad values. Mainstream art should mainly be about building, honoring and enduring, not about undermining.

    Having said that, Steve’s posting is reminding me of Audrey Munson, a beautiful, early 20th century model from upstate NY who posed for many of NYC’s most gorgeous Beaux Arts public sculptures. Lordy, I do love some sexy allegorical art. Munson also went on to do the first non-porno nude appearance in a movie, but then, alas, her life went completely off the rails, as so many boho lives do. In any case, her story is a fun little bit of cultural history to learn about.

    https://newenglandhistoricalsociety.com/tragedy-audrey-munson-americas-first-supermodel/

    Here’s a book about her:

    • Thanks: kaganovitch, ic1000
  87. @Targaleto
    @Jack D

    If you don't like abortion, don't get one. That's why they call it "choice."

    In a just world every pro-lifer would get section 8 housing built in their neighborhood. They are every bit as hypocritical as these Lefties who say "refugees welcome" from their lily-white neighborhoods.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Mike Tre

    You and Anon are missing my point. The Tweeter didn’t say that RBG fought for “a woman’s right to choose” (choose what? What color shoes she wants to wear? “Right to Choose” is itself an evasion), he said that she for “for abortion”.

  88. @JohnnyWalker123
    Why do Hollywood celebs have such "odd" taste in art work? Why is she keeping a picture of a child being tortured? Do any of you keep this type of artwork in your home?

    https://twitter.com/liz_churchill8/status/1615161835082207240

    Just think about Jeffrey Epstein (especially his Occult temple on his island), Marina Abramovich, Pizza Gate, and the Podesta brothers. Are sexual debauchery (including pedophilia), Sadism, and Occultism rampant in elite circles?

    What's the deal with popular Balenciaga clothing brand?

    https://twitter.com/4biddnKnowledge/status/1597223377194086401

    https://twitter.com/olilondontv/status/1595774374904500224

    Why are elites so obsessed with pushing LGBT degeneracy onto kids. Are they attempting to groom kids into pedophile rings and introduce them to Occultism and Sadism? Does any of this have any relation to "The Finders" cult and the Larry King (Boystown Omaha) scandal?

    What exactly is going on at the top that we don't know about?

    Replies: @Anon, @SFG, @Reg Cæsar, @Jack D, @Inquiring Mind

    A “woke” not-all-that-young person with a family connection distributed a registry for baby shower gifts.

    Among them was presumably a children’s book, “The Hips on the Drag Queen go Swish, Swish, Swish.” I think this selection was meant seriously, not ironically. Apparently, this book is a “thing” regarding teaching children tolerance of others?

    Can I send instead a poster of George Santos, R-New York wearing women’s clothes and makeup from his madcap days in Brazil? If you are going to teach tolerance, should this not at least include Republican men in drag?

    Or is that picture a deep fake?

  89. @Reg Cæsar
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Please allow my inner Victorian to come to Miss Curtis's defense. The picture on her wall was a gift from, and taken by, Betsy Schneider, who started out as an assistant to Sally Mann, famous for photos of her three children cavorting naked, innocently, in the Virginia countryside.

    There is nothing remotely erotic about that photo, anymore than those undergarment pages in the old Sears' and Penney's catalogues once delivered to our homes. Those could be repurposed as pornography as well, and no doubt were. (No, this isn't a confession.)


    This would have been taken as unremarkable in the days of Lewis Carroll, Andrew Lang, or Maxfield Parrish.* The general lack of sexual freedom allowed for depictions of childhood nudity as a celebration of innocence. But it was already controversial in the 1970s, in the wake of the newfound sexual license of that era.

    Come on, it's just a bare-ass kid playing with toys in her yard! Yes, it could be read as an S&M reference, but why would you? It's possible that Jamie Lee might see it that way, but I'll give her the benefit of the doubt. She herself was one of the last actresses reticent about appearing nude on-screen. (A task she's said her early horror work never demanded of her, unlike the "mainstream".)

    In contrast, the Balenciaga stuff is genuinely sick, and they should be made to pay dearly. We suffer from a serious shortage of sexual repression these days!


    *Likewise, it is in the most "homophobic" countries that straight male friends feel free to hold one another's hand. There is less chance of misinterpretation.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Post-Postmodernist, @Post-Postmodernist, @Anon

    “There is nothing remotely erotic about that photo,”

    And there is nothing remotely erotic about an 8 year old child, unless you are, of course, someone who is sexual attracted to 8 year olds.

    To me a cigar is just a cigar, but it isn’t to all others.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Mike Tre



    “There is nothing remotely erotic about that photo,”

     

    And there is nothing remotely erotic about an 8 year old child, unless you are, of course, someone who is sexual attracted to 8 year olds.
     
    And such individuals are liable to find themselves aroused even by fully-clothed photos of children, are they not? Should we ban those too?

    What, exactly, is your point?

    Is there any evidence that Jamie Lee Curtis has an illicit interest in children?
  90. @Targaleto
    @Jack D

    If you don't like abortion, don't get one. That's why they call it "choice."

    In a just world every pro-lifer would get section 8 housing built in their neighborhood. They are every bit as hypocritical as these Lefties who say "refugees welcome" from their lily-white neighborhoods.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Mike Tre

    It’s actually difficult to untangle the ignorant contradictions of that short post.

    But here is my choice: not to pay for anyone else’s abortion, directly, or through my forcibly acquired tax dollars. Deal? No? I didn’t think so. Hypocrite, indeed.

    • Replies: @Targaleto
    @Mike Tre

    I'm a hypocrite because of words you put in my mouth? You must be a Reddit user.

    As for your deal, I'd gladly accept it. Good luck convincing the "MUUUHHHH HUEMAAAN LIIIIVES" faggots to accept it as well.

  91. @SFG
    I never found the Satanism thing that convincing--I spent years around lefties of the academic variety and never saw any real enthusiasm for God's Opposite Number. Sticking it to their political opponents the Evangelical Christians, definitely. The witchcraft thing was never taken seriously, though now some younger lefties seem to be doing it as a non-patriarchal form of religion--but that's a new thing, when it was last popular back in the 90s it was teenage girls rebelling against their parents. Those people believe in science (except HBD), their own overdeveloped sense of compassion for people who are oppressed or different, and sticking it to evangelical Christians. Even the Epstein temple seemed to me more a matter of believing he was doing something naughty and secret and showing off about it.

    There's an actual Church of Satan, but they're small and not particularly powerful. In the LaVey days they were closer to libertarians than anything else, and now they've got female priests and agitate for reproductive rights. They're sticking it to the (Christian) Man, they're atheists underneath it all.

    If you believe in a supernatural force of evil that tempts people to sin, sure, they've rejected God and are following their animal urges for sex.

    But are our elites actually engaging in satanic rituals to worship the head of the Lowerarchy? Nah. Lame anti-Christian art like 'spirit cooking' is a red herring. They're trying to make as many kids LGBT as possible so they can turn them against their conservative parents, encouraging them to mutilate themselves in some gnostic ideology, making the few remaining straight white kids identify as some sort of LGBT as a way out of the guilt of being 'cishet', and so on. Isn't that bad enough?

    They're interested in money, power, and sex, a trinity Tony Montana would have recognized. Satan? Only if it pisses you off.

    Replies: @BB753, @puttheforkdown, @Targaleto, @Excal, @al gore rhythms

    Stage Satanists like (probably) LaVey — who really was a professional entertainer — are of course very theatrical, with costumes and props and outRAGEous statements and that sort of thing. This is also seen fairly regularly in pop music, which is essentially theatrical and deals in characters, like professional wrestling. I imagine it’s a fairly decent living, if you can keep in the public eye.

    Most stage Satanists are agnostics, and don’t take any of their act seriously — if they did, they would choose some other kind of character. As you correctly note, it amuses them to take the p*ss out of Evangelicals; they are essentially juvenile pranksters. There are few people foolish enough to knowingly summon demons, if they understand what that means.

    There really are believing, Black Mass-going Satanists, but they are generally very secretive about it. In public they are usually agnostics and materialists, and laugh at the very idea of worshipping devils. They present a polished and respectable image to the world. The secrecy is all part of the fun for them. This is not the only type of Satanist, of course, but it’s not an uncommon one.

    • Thanks: Post-Postmodernist
  92. On the subject of satire, and that is what this statue is, right?

    Here’s another piece that stretches the boundary.

    As the world struggles to come to terms with the devastating effects of the COVID-19 pandemic, one question that continues to surface is why the unvaccinated didn’t do more to warn us about the potential dangers of being injected.

    While well intending citizens lined up, did the right thing, and received their COVID19 vaccinations — now seeming to do more harm than good — their unvaccinated friends stood by and let them do it. Some of them said too little. Some said nothing at all.

    Even though they knew what we didn’t.

    Our blood is now on their hands.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/they-knew-why-didnt-unvaccinated-do-more-warn-us

  93. @HammerJack
    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2023/01/24/multimedia/24courtsculpture7-bkcf/24courtsculpture7-bkcf-superJumbo.jpg

    That's Beyoncé, right? It had better be.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Kolya Krassotkin

    Take this work of “art” and solder it to the new MLK memorial in Boston, the one that looks like a case of mega-colon. With the two soldered together, the hideousness of each will distract from the hideousness of the other.

  94. @Reg Cæsar
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Please allow my inner Victorian to come to Miss Curtis's defense. The picture on her wall was a gift from, and taken by, Betsy Schneider, who started out as an assistant to Sally Mann, famous for photos of her three children cavorting naked, innocently, in the Virginia countryside.

    There is nothing remotely erotic about that photo, anymore than those undergarment pages in the old Sears' and Penney's catalogues once delivered to our homes. Those could be repurposed as pornography as well, and no doubt were. (No, this isn't a confession.)


    This would have been taken as unremarkable in the days of Lewis Carroll, Andrew Lang, or Maxfield Parrish.* The general lack of sexual freedom allowed for depictions of childhood nudity as a celebration of innocence. But it was already controversial in the 1970s, in the wake of the newfound sexual license of that era.

    Come on, it's just a bare-ass kid playing with toys in her yard! Yes, it could be read as an S&M reference, but why would you? It's possible that Jamie Lee might see it that way, but I'll give her the benefit of the doubt. She herself was one of the last actresses reticent about appearing nude on-screen. (A task she's said her early horror work never demanded of her, unlike the "mainstream".)

    In contrast, the Balenciaga stuff is genuinely sick, and they should be made to pay dearly. We suffer from a serious shortage of sexual repression these days!


    *Likewise, it is in the most "homophobic" countries that straight male friends feel free to hold one another's hand. There is less chance of misinterpretation.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Post-Postmodernist, @Post-Postmodernist, @Anon

  95. @Nicholas Stix
    affirmative action "art."

    I first saw bad, political rationalizations for awful "art" at an exhibit of "things" by angry homosexuals who were dying of aids in manhattan in 1989, "Witnesses: Against Our Vanishing."

    They were mad as hell at the normal people whom they blamed for their coming deaths.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @SFG, @AnotherDad, @Kolya Krassotkin

    Slightly OT but I expect the new multi-drug resistant strain of Gonorrhea to start ravaging the gay community. The rising rates within their community should inspire new works of art.

  96. Between this and the new MLK statue, I guess the lesson is that you can’t have both limbs and heads at the same time.

  97. @Old Prude
    @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.

    That’s Jesus Christ, Lord and Savior. Get it right.

    Replies: @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.

    Turning the other cheek, not resisting evil, loving my enemies and submitting myself to the governing authorities (who are mad with anti-white, genocidal bloodlust) seems to me like the teaching of a suicide cult.

    I think maybe we need a new Lord and Savior.

    Fact is, one of the reasons the west is in such a terrible bind is that, after all these centuries, Christians are once again finally acting like real Christians.

    In Roman times, Christianity began as a creed of slaves. Fittingly, it will also end that way.

    • Replies: @Tracy
    @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.

    Might want to think about those cathedrals, universities, hospitals, castles, palaces, etc., built in Christendom, and stop getting your understanding of Christianity from Protestants and atheists.

  98. At least this one doesn’t have a penis. Quite surprised since the the only women the mainstream cares about are the “women” who were “assigned male at birth”.

  99. @Franz

    Justice, however, has traditionally been represented in sculpture, since the time of Augustus, as a woman.

     

    Actually at least 2000 years before Augustus. The Egyptians called her Ma'at and Mycenae had a similar deity called Dike.

    Both Egypt and Greece saw her as holding the scales that weight guilt or innocence, making it the most ancient concept in the world still in use. For all the good THAT does.

    https://img1.etsystatic.com/000/0/5725945/il_570xN.310501457.jpg

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Odyssey

    You probably don’t know that Greeks are not natives of Europe; they came from Africa/the Middle East. The goddess Dika (pronounced as ‘deeka’) is not a Greek goddess (or maybe they brought her from Africa together with their Olympic spirit?). They took their mythology from the natives, just as Roman mythology is a replica of the Greek replica. ‘Dika’ is still a modern word in the Serbian language. How much is our lack of knowledge? I can offer a litmus test from my perspective. Justinian (cancelled), Alexander the Great and Marina Abramović mentioned in the text are Serbs, which is only the tip of our broader lack of knowledge and general culture. Justinian introduced the Roman law, which is still the basis of the legal system of all of Europe (except England).

  100. While nevertheless problematic, the statue is better looking than Ruth.
    lll

  101. @clifford brown
    The base of the sculpture in case there were any doubts. Note that the side profile reveals the sculpted hair to be goat horns and tentacles for feet.

    https://twitter.com/AndrewBeckUSA/status/1618248543537606656

    Replies: @Jack D, @The Last Real Calvinist

    Thanks for this.

    My first thought when Steve posted the image of this abomination was ‘Oh, it’s Ruth Baphomet Ginsberg’.

  102. @Anon
    @puttheforkdown

    You can call acquiring money, power, and sex Satanic. I call it winning.

    This is what Nietzsche was talking about when he described Christianity as a form of slave morality.

    Replies: @Ultra Fine

    +1

    Pietistic Christianity is a lot like wokeness, a never-ending guilt trip against the successful and superior by the resentful losers.

  103. @Reg Cæsar

    Justice, however, has traditionally been represented in sculpture, since the time of Augustus, as a woman.
     
    She also balances Liberty on New York's seal and flag:


    https://statesymbolsusa.org/sites/statesymbolsusa.org/files/primary-images/newYorkStateFlagofNY.jpg


    My kind of girl statue is Electra, atop Alabama Power's edifice in Birmingham. If only she were bigger, and thus more visible, like Vulcan across town.

    https://www.bhamwiki.com/wiki/images/d/de/Electra_in_studio.jpg


    This guy wrote columns about them in the local paper, columns titled "A Love Story of Vulcan and Electra".



    https://www.bhamwiki.com/wiki/images/7/77/Dr_BUL_Conner.jpg

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @stari_momak

    I love fascist adjacent Art-Deco.

  104. They should have put this guy up there.

    Lawgiver

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @stari_momak

    Sammy Davis Jr. was a huge "Planet of the Apes" fan so he got a giant Lawgiver fiberglass statue of John Huston in a monkey suit and put in his backyard. When he died, he owed $5 million to the IRS. So his widow told the IRS to haul it away and see what they could get for it.

  105. @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    I’m not fine with this practice of calling him “the Prophet Muhammed.” He’s not “the prophet,” and he’s not my prophet. Everyone knows who you’re talking about when you say ‘Muhammed.’

    Agreed. You'll notice that the media refers to Jesus simply as "Jesus" and not as "Jesus Christ", and correctly so. This would be biased language because he's not everyone's Christ. But, as we all know, things these days are all about "who" and "whom" and some animals are more equal than others.

    Replies: @Old Prude, @Tracy

    Yes, Jesus is everyone’s Christ, whether they know it or not.

  106. @SFG
    @Nicholas Stix

    I remember that from my New York City days. Yeah, there was all this stuff about the AIDS crisis, but the idea of f***ing around a little less or at least using a condom (which is pretty effective against HIV--the virus really isn't that infectious compared to most STDs) never came up.

    Replies: @Acp

    Not that infectious!?!?!?

    You can get it just being in the same household for heaven’s sake.

    You are an anti-The Science buffoon!

  107. @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.
    @Old Prude

    Turning the other cheek, not resisting evil, loving my enemies and submitting myself to the governing authorities (who are mad with anti-white, genocidal bloodlust) seems to me like the teaching of a suicide cult.

    I think maybe we need a new Lord and Savior.

    Fact is, one of the reasons the west is in such a terrible bind is that, after all these centuries, Christians are once again finally acting like real Christians.

    In Roman times, Christianity began as a creed of slaves. Fittingly, it will also end that way.

    https://i.imgur.com/WlsCwfy.jpeg

    https://i.imgur.com/BEkolLF.jpeg

    Replies: @Tracy

    Might want to think about those cathedrals, universities, hospitals, castles, palaces, etc., built in Christendom, and stop getting your understanding of Christianity from Protestants and atheists.

  108. @stari_momak
    They should have put this guy up there.

    Lawgiver

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Sammy Davis Jr. was a huge “Planet of the Apes” fan so he got a giant Lawgiver fiberglass statue of John Huston in a monkey suit and put in his backyard. When he died, he owed $5 million to the IRS. So his widow told the IRS to haul it away and see what they could get for it.

  109. @puttheforkdown
    @SFG


    They’re interested in money, power, and sex
     
    So, Satan in short. Way to overcomplicate things...

    Replies: @Anon, @Anne Lid

    Literally. “For all that is in the world, is the concupiscence of the flesh, and the concupiscence of the eyes, and the pride of life, which is not of the Father, but is of the world.” On their own sex, money and power are not bad. Chasing them instead of searching what is true and good is the trap.

  110. @AndrewR
    @Nicholas Stix

    "Normal" men have no less desire to freely sow their seed than gay men do. The difference is that women are the gatekeepers of sex and so straight men generally have a much harder time finding new sexual partners than gay men do, although this has become slightly less true since the "sexual revolution" which has largely freed women (and men) from many of the negative consequences of sex. The AIDS epidemic was a departure from the sexual freedom that characterized the 1970s - a freedom which has been mostly restored with effective HIV antiretrovirals. Antibiotic resistance will likely end this second era, perhaps permanently.

    Replies: @Coemgen, @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr., @Post-Postmodernist, @Corvinus

    “Normal” men have no less desire to freely sow their seed than gay men do. The difference is that women are the gatekeepers of sex

    Wouldn’t that alone constitute a strong argument against the normalization (let alone promotion and now effective worship) of homoeroticism (at least the male variety)?

    [MORE]

    and so straight men generally have a much harder time finding new sexual partners than gay men do,

    It’s more than that, though. Within a given heterosexual relationship, does the woman not typically yield a tempering, and, at least ideally refining influence and power?

    the “sexual revolution” which has largely freed women (and men) from many of the negative consequences of sex.

    Not quite, as Coemgen has pointed-out.

    The AIDS epidemic was a departure from the sexual freedom that characterized the 1970s –

    Even before AIDS, there was disproportionately high incidence, and epidemics, of sexually transmitted infections among buggering Americans. The activist/advocate/agitator response? Same as for HIV-AIDS: Defiance; doubled-down, militant promiscuity; deflection; condemnation and assignment of blame to mainstream society.

    a freedom which has been mostly restored with effective HIV antiretrovirals.

    At what cost, and who pays?

    A preemptive note follows below.
    I have neither condemned mere homoeroticism, per se, nor claimed that it is absent from my personal interests. Those who would see this as discrediting the unapologetically heteronormative position that has long been a hallmark of my writing across multiple forums might wish to review the afore-linked definition of said term:

    noting or relating to behavior or attitudes consistent with traditional male or female gender roles and the assumption of heterosexuality as the norm:

    Note that even behavior, and all-the-more-so attitudes are critically distinct from mere desires and interests. That the non-normative (i.e. homoerotic) of these are, in my case, not primary but only secondary to heteronormative ones is an additional qualification that would be germane to note. As would yet another qualification.

    On more than one level and in ways that are decidedly mitigating and (to those of traditionalist, refined and conscientious sensibilities) vindicating, my homoerotic interests themselves are profoundly atypical.]

  111. Lavinia from Titus Andronicus:

  112. @Jack D
    @clifford brown

    From the Tweet:


    It is meant to pay homage to Ruth Bader Ginsberg and her fight for abortion.
     
    Why would anyone fight for the death of babies? You are supposed to say that you are fighting for "abortion health care" or "abortion rights" or "choice". The less intelligent followers sometimes slip up and make Kinsley gaffes where you accidentally tell the truth.

    Replies: @Anon, @Targaleto, @Post-Postmodernist

    You are supposed to say that you are fighting for “abortion health care” or “abortion rights” or “choice”.

    Reproductive choice. Reproductive health (/care). Reproductive rights.

    Aren’t these, which completely eliminate any direct, explicit reference to abortion, the most current preferred euphemisms?

    [From your followup post:]

    “Right to Choose” is itself an evasion),

    The language of the war lobby and the abortion lobby is from the same glossary of evasions.– Colman McCarthy, Marchers For Death, The Washington Post, 1992

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Post-Postmodernist

    "abortion care" 1,780,000 google results:


    https://www.acog.org/womens-health/faqs/induced-abortion

    "This page shares frequently asked questions and resources related to abortion care."

    https://www.plannedparenthood.org/planned-parenthood-southeastern-pennsylvania/patients/abortion-care

    https://abortioncarenetwork.org/

    This goes way back to the back alley days - "Knocked up? We'll take CARE of that for you."

  113. @SFG
    I never found the Satanism thing that convincing--I spent years around lefties of the academic variety and never saw any real enthusiasm for God's Opposite Number. Sticking it to their political opponents the Evangelical Christians, definitely. The witchcraft thing was never taken seriously, though now some younger lefties seem to be doing it as a non-patriarchal form of religion--but that's a new thing, when it was last popular back in the 90s it was teenage girls rebelling against their parents. Those people believe in science (except HBD), their own overdeveloped sense of compassion for people who are oppressed or different, and sticking it to evangelical Christians. Even the Epstein temple seemed to me more a matter of believing he was doing something naughty and secret and showing off about it.

    There's an actual Church of Satan, but they're small and not particularly powerful. In the LaVey days they were closer to libertarians than anything else, and now they've got female priests and agitate for reproductive rights. They're sticking it to the (Christian) Man, they're atheists underneath it all.

    If you believe in a supernatural force of evil that tempts people to sin, sure, they've rejected God and are following their animal urges for sex.

    But are our elites actually engaging in satanic rituals to worship the head of the Lowerarchy? Nah. Lame anti-Christian art like 'spirit cooking' is a red herring. They're trying to make as many kids LGBT as possible so they can turn them against their conservative parents, encouraging them to mutilate themselves in some gnostic ideology, making the few remaining straight white kids identify as some sort of LGBT as a way out of the guilt of being 'cishet', and so on. Isn't that bad enough?

    They're interested in money, power, and sex, a trinity Tony Montana would have recognized. Satan? Only if it pisses you off.

    Replies: @BB753, @puttheforkdown, @Targaleto, @Excal, @al gore rhythms

    That’s all true, and I also think the occult gives a kind of respectably rebellious cultural framework for things like pop videos. So much Western art and symbolism is tied to our Christian past, but you can still use most of the gothic and classic elements with a ‘Satanic’ aesthetic.

  114. Modern Sculpture
    From a CHRISTIE’S auction page[1]:

    modern sculpture [emphasis mine- PPM] dates from 1833, when François Rude exhibited his young Neapolitan fisherboy at the Salon. This was the first attempt to present the human body as it exists before our eyes” [quote attributed to critic Edmund Gosse– PPM]. The success of Rude’s work inspired other sculptors to treat this same theme and variations of the fisherboy were produced by Francisque Duret (1833), Jean-Baptiste Carpeaux (1859) and Vincenzo Gemito (1876), among others.

    Britannica says of François Rude (1784-1855):

    [MORE]

    In his Young Neapolitan Fisherboy Playing with a Tortoise (1831), the informal pose and the smile both break with the traditional treatment of heroic subjects in high sculpture.

    Many critics have felt that Rude’s liberal passions were more powerful than his aesthetic judgment [emphasis mine- PPM], causing his memorial Bonaparte Awakening to Immortality (1847) at Fixin near Dijon to be a grandiloquent failure, though others have admired its subtle poetry.

    Wikipedia, however, says:

    Modern sculpture is generally considered to have begun with the work of Auguste Rodin, who is seen as the progenitor of modern sculpture.

    Interesting:

    “Modern sculpture (iSteve)” search results- January 27, 2023

    [1] A life-size Italian bronze figure of a young boy collecting shellfish and crabs, “by the little-seen Spanish sculptor, Felipe Moratillaan”. Item realised USD 38,240 in 2004.

  115. @Bill Jones
    @Anon

    And how did your case go?
    Did you get them to drop it?

    Replies: @Anon

    Ad hominem attack doesn’t refute my point.

    Deep down you know I’m right.

  116. @Post-Postmodernist
    @Jack D


    You are supposed to say that you are fighting for “abortion health care” or “abortion rights” or “choice”.
     
    Reproductive choice. Reproductive health (/care). Reproductive rights.

    Aren't these, which completely eliminate any direct, explicit reference to abortion, the most current preferred euphemisms?

    [From your followup post:]


    “Right to Choose” is itself an evasion),
     
    The language of the war lobby and the abortion lobby is from the same glossary of evasions.- Colman McCarthy, Marchers For Death, The Washington Post, 1992

    Replies: @Jack D

    “abortion care” 1,780,000 google results:

    https://www.acog.org/womens-health/faqs/induced-abortion

    “This page shares frequently asked questions and resources related to abortion care.”

    https://www.plannedparenthood.org/planned-parenthood-southeastern-pennsylvania/patients/abortion-care

    https://abortioncarenetwork.org/

    This goes way back to the back alley days – “Knocked up? We’ll take CARE of that for you.”

  117. @Reg Cæsar
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Please allow my inner Victorian to come to Miss Curtis's defense. The picture on her wall was a gift from, and taken by, Betsy Schneider, who started out as an assistant to Sally Mann, famous for photos of her three children cavorting naked, innocently, in the Virginia countryside.

    There is nothing remotely erotic about that photo, anymore than those undergarment pages in the old Sears' and Penney's catalogues once delivered to our homes. Those could be repurposed as pornography as well, and no doubt were. (No, this isn't a confession.)


    This would have been taken as unremarkable in the days of Lewis Carroll, Andrew Lang, or Maxfield Parrish.* The general lack of sexual freedom allowed for depictions of childhood nudity as a celebration of innocence. But it was already controversial in the 1970s, in the wake of the newfound sexual license of that era.

    Come on, it's just a bare-ass kid playing with toys in her yard! Yes, it could be read as an S&M reference, but why would you? It's possible that Jamie Lee might see it that way, but I'll give her the benefit of the doubt. She herself was one of the last actresses reticent about appearing nude on-screen. (A task she's said her early horror work never demanded of her, unlike the "mainstream".)

    In contrast, the Balenciaga stuff is genuinely sick, and they should be made to pay dearly. We suffer from a serious shortage of sexual repression these days!


    *Likewise, it is in the most "homophobic" countries that straight male friends feel free to hold one another's hand. There is less chance of misinterpretation.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Post-Postmodernist, @Post-Postmodernist, @Anon

    The general lack of sexual freedom allowed for depictions of childhood nudity as a celebration of innocence. But it was already controversial in the 1970s, in the wake of the newfound sexual license of that era.

    Would that not, at least in large part, be an example of an inverse correlation that has been noted: The emergence of pedohysteria as nearly all previously held sexual taboos and stigmas (such as those that once surrounded fornication; adultery; homosexuality; pornography; oral as well as anal sodomy, etc.) increasingly vanished?

    When did the hysteria over even fully-clothed photography of minors take hold in earnest? At what point did the type of street photography that includes some of the most acclaimed works of such iconic figures as Jacob Riis, Henri Cartier-Bresson, and Helen Levitt become beyond the bounds of social acceptability?

    Sally Mann, famous for photos of her three children cavorting naked, innocently, in the Virginia countryside.

    The photos themselves have been innocent enough but what about the fact of her publishing them? That does not sit right with me– not because I think it put the children at any real risk of physical harm but because, in our society, it could cause them embarrassment and discomfort, unwanted attention, and as children, I don’t see how they could properly consent.

    In contrast, the Balenciaga stuff is genuinely sick, and they should be made to pay dearly.

    Yes, absolutely vile.

    We suffer from a serious shortage of sexual repression these days!

    In many respects, yes.

  118. @AndrewR
    @Nicholas Stix

    "Normal" men have no less desire to freely sow their seed than gay men do. The difference is that women are the gatekeepers of sex and so straight men generally have a much harder time finding new sexual partners than gay men do, although this has become slightly less true since the "sexual revolution" which has largely freed women (and men) from many of the negative consequences of sex. The AIDS epidemic was a departure from the sexual freedom that characterized the 1970s - a freedom which has been mostly restored with effective HIV antiretrovirals. Antibiotic resistance will likely end this second era, perhaps permanently.

    Replies: @Coemgen, @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr., @Post-Postmodernist, @Corvinus

    “The difference is that women are the gatekeepers of sex and so straight men generally have a much harder time finding new sexual partners”

    Clearly you didn’t read the Twelve Commandments of Poon by Roissy. Worked like a charm.

  119. @Steve Sailer
    @cool daddy jimbo

    Hunter Biden is a pretty cool dude.

    I watched Lawrence Fox's biopic about Hunter Biden and can remember thinking that Fox isn't as charismatic as Biden is.

    Replies: @Forbes, @Ghost of Bull Moose

    He and his entire family should be in prison, but I can’t help thinking Hunter would’ve been fun to hang out with in my younger days. Come at me.

    Hunter is the only one of them who doesn’t conceal that he is a corrupt degenerate. In a perverse way, he takes drugs and lives that way because he is trying to tell us something. And the fact that he lives the life he does with zero consequences, with zero interest from the legitimate press who dream of one of the Trump kids doing even one of the things we know Hunter has done, does tell us something. I think the guy has a conscience of a sort. Even Tucker likes him.

    And you know what? Hunter’s paintings aren’t that bad.

  120. Shock horror, no vulva.

  121. @Mike Tre
    @Targaleto

    It's actually difficult to untangle the ignorant contradictions of that short post.

    But here is my choice: not to pay for anyone else's abortion, directly, or through my forcibly acquired tax dollars. Deal? No? I didn't think so. Hypocrite, indeed.

    Replies: @Targaleto

    I’m a hypocrite because of words you put in my mouth? You must be a Reddit user.

    As for your deal, I’d gladly accept it. Good luck convincing the “MUUUHHHH HUEMAAAN LIIIIVES” faggots to accept it as well.

  122. @Reg Cæsar
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Please allow my inner Victorian to come to Miss Curtis's defense. The picture on her wall was a gift from, and taken by, Betsy Schneider, who started out as an assistant to Sally Mann, famous for photos of her three children cavorting naked, innocently, in the Virginia countryside.

    There is nothing remotely erotic about that photo, anymore than those undergarment pages in the old Sears' and Penney's catalogues once delivered to our homes. Those could be repurposed as pornography as well, and no doubt were. (No, this isn't a confession.)


    This would have been taken as unremarkable in the days of Lewis Carroll, Andrew Lang, or Maxfield Parrish.* The general lack of sexual freedom allowed for depictions of childhood nudity as a celebration of innocence. But it was already controversial in the 1970s, in the wake of the newfound sexual license of that era.

    Come on, it's just a bare-ass kid playing with toys in her yard! Yes, it could be read as an S&M reference, but why would you? It's possible that Jamie Lee might see it that way, but I'll give her the benefit of the doubt. She herself was one of the last actresses reticent about appearing nude on-screen. (A task she's said her early horror work never demanded of her, unlike the "mainstream".)

    In contrast, the Balenciaga stuff is genuinely sick, and they should be made to pay dearly. We suffer from a serious shortage of sexual repression these days!


    *Likewise, it is in the most "homophobic" countries that straight male friends feel free to hold one another's hand. There is less chance of misinterpretation.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Post-Postmodernist, @Post-Postmodernist, @Anon

    Tangentially related:
    Vintage Kohler Ad
    When that boy of yours takes “all day” in the bathroom…

    Imagine that as the opening of a Victorian era PSA…

  123. Anon[133] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mike Tre
    @Reg Cæsar

    "There is nothing remotely erotic about that photo,"

    And there is nothing remotely erotic about an 8 year old child, unless you are, of course, someone who is sexual attracted to 8 year olds.

    To me a cigar is just a cigar, but it isn't to all others.

    Replies: @Anon

    “There is nothing remotely erotic about that photo,”

    And there is nothing remotely erotic about an 8 year old child, unless you are, of course, someone who is sexual attracted to 8 year olds.

    And such individuals are liable to find themselves aroused even by fully-clothed photos of children, are they not? Should we ban those too?

    What, exactly, is your point?

    Is there any evidence that Jamie Lee Curtis has an illicit interest in children?

  124. Anon[882] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Please allow my inner Victorian to come to Miss Curtis's defense. The picture on her wall was a gift from, and taken by, Betsy Schneider, who started out as an assistant to Sally Mann, famous for photos of her three children cavorting naked, innocently, in the Virginia countryside.

    There is nothing remotely erotic about that photo, anymore than those undergarment pages in the old Sears' and Penney's catalogues once delivered to our homes. Those could be repurposed as pornography as well, and no doubt were. (No, this isn't a confession.)


    This would have been taken as unremarkable in the days of Lewis Carroll, Andrew Lang, or Maxfield Parrish.* The general lack of sexual freedom allowed for depictions of childhood nudity as a celebration of innocence. But it was already controversial in the 1970s, in the wake of the newfound sexual license of that era.

    Come on, it's just a bare-ass kid playing with toys in her yard! Yes, it could be read as an S&M reference, but why would you? It's possible that Jamie Lee might see it that way, but I'll give her the benefit of the doubt. She herself was one of the last actresses reticent about appearing nude on-screen. (A task she's said her early horror work never demanded of her, unlike the "mainstream".)

    In contrast, the Balenciaga stuff is genuinely sick, and they should be made to pay dearly. We suffer from a serious shortage of sexual repression these days!


    *Likewise, it is in the most "homophobic" countries that straight male friends feel free to hold one another's hand. There is less chance of misinterpretation.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Post-Postmodernist, @Post-Postmodernist, @Anon

    This would have been taken as unremarkable in the days of Lewis Carroll, Andrew Lang, or Maxfield Parrish.* The general lack of sexual freedom allowed for depictions of childhood nudity as a celebration of innocence.

    Concerning Carroll (Charles Lutwidge Dodgson), controversy abounds.

    From The Telegraph (UK) in 2015: BBC investigates whether Lewis Carroll was ‘repressed paedophile’ after nude photo discovery

    The picture, which is not comprehensively proven to have been taken by
    Carroll, is believed to show Alice’s elder sister entirely nude, in a
    full-frontal pose described by Kearney as something “no parent would
    ever have consented to”.

    [MORE]

    Found in a French museum with an inscribed attribution on the frame
    saying it was by Lewis Carroll and of Lorina Liddell, it shows an
    “uneasy” pubescent model in her teenage years.

    Expert analysis shows it was taken around the time Carroll was seeing
    the Liddells, using the same processes he is known to have used in
    photography.

    Vanessa Tait, the great-granddaughter of Alice Liddell and spokesman for
    the family, said she had grown up knowing about the “strange” elements
    of Carroll’s relationship with her ancestors, but that she had not been
    aware of the photograph in question until now.

    “My understanding is that he was in love with Alice, but he was so
    repressed that he never would have transgressed any boundaries,” she said.

  125. • Replies: @Anon
    @katesisco

    Pro-lifers won't care. All that matters is that they feel virtuous because they prevent abortions. They don't care what happens after the abortion is prevented. That can be somebody else's problem.

  126. @katesisco
    https://www.grid.news/story/global/2022/08/08/romanias-communist-era-abortion-ban-harmed-hundreds-of-thousands-of-children-is-history-repeating-itself/
    Are we really going to revisit a zombie issue long dead????

    Replies: @Anon

    Pro-lifers won’t care. All that matters is that they feel virtuous because they prevent abortions. They don’t care what happens after the abortion is prevented. That can be somebody else’s problem.

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