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From Fox9 in Minneapolis:

Walz: White supremacist groups, drug cartels suspected at Minneapolis riots, but reports still unconfirmed
Published 28 mins agoDeath of George FloydFOX 9

Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz and Public Safety Commissioner John Harrington said they have received information from national sources about white supremacists and drug cartels in the area of unrest in the Twin Cities, but at this moment, those reports are unconfirmed.

MINNEAPOLIS (FOX 9) – Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz says he suspects white supremacist groups and drug cartels are carrying out some of the violence in Minneapolis, but cannot confirm it at this time.

The video is pretty funny. Governor Walz just gets up to about 250 words per minute without appearing to have any idea how he’s going to end his sentences.

But at least he’s not a conspiracy theorist!

Also from Minneapolis:

 
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  1. Does mean black > whites and latinos in the 4D intersectionality pie diagram?

    • Replies: @Bucky
    @TheMassageIsTheMedium

    Yeah no shit man. All the build the wall crap made little sense when you contrast Chicano behavior versus black behavior.

    It was political correctness from the right.

    Replies: @Neuday

  2. anon[344] • Disclaimer says:

    Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz says he suspects white supremacist groups and drug cartels are carrying out some of the violence in Minneapolis, but cannot confirm it at this time.

    Desperate deflection is not a pretty sight. Perhaps someone could get a bowl full of Xanax for the Governor, the mayor and their staffs?

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @anon

    The "white supremacists" are remnants from Eric Holder's Alt-Right Project.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @anon


    Perhaps someone could get a bowl full of Xanax for the Governor, the mayor and their staffs?
     
    Whatever happened to that Northwest "flight attendant" who dosed a colicky toddler with Xanax in her juice box? He was summarily fired, but where is he now?

    (By the way, his only punishment was-- I'm not making this up-- a period of lockdown.)

    Reports don't mention whether the Xanax was his own or the airline's. If the latter, perhaps Delta held on to NWA's Xanax supply after the "merger". MSP was Northwest's HQ.
    , @415 reasons
    @anon

    Sure I think they just looted the Whittier Clinic Pharmacy, shouldn’t be a problem

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @anon

    There were "some very fine people" there.

  3. Yep, makes total sense. White supremacists are trying to protest, protect and free “their homeboy” who “didnu nuttin.” Fight the power (for a new generation)! Lol!!!

  4. Haven’t you noticed all the swastikas? 😉

  5. The only people who will be charged will be the poor unfortunates who went a little too far defending themselves from rioters. See what happened at Charlottesville for that.

    Of course Jared hates law and order, what with his jailbird father and his family’s mischpuka background.

  6. anonymous[246] • Disclaimer says:

    As governor Tim Walz is showing true leadership. He will not stand by and let a mere mayor out-woke him.

    • LOL: HammerJack
  7. That Tim Walz is a genius. I just knew that white supremacists were the ones behind all of the violence against police. As a society, we really need to stand up to them for once.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
    @HammerJack

    These white supremacists were so clever they put on blackface to hide their crimes. ;-)

  8. Altai [AKA "Altai_2"] says:

    Just like those two guys in MAGA hats in the polar vortex with a noose in Chicago to lynch an obscure actor, the obvious place for an organised group of white supremacists is in the middle of a black ghetto during a mass protest of mostly young men in Minneapolis during a national lockdown, the day of the protests, in order to turn them violent.

    I mean, obviously.

    This reminds me of the time a reporter asked Hilary Clinton if the explosion in NYC was actually done by Putin to help Trump. To Clinton’s credit, she did give the young woman a look of horror for putting her in such a situation and shock for there being people dumb enough to not understand the anti-Putin stuff was neocon propaganda asking questions on TV to a presidential candidate.

    • Agree: jim jones
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Altai


    in the middle of a black ghetto
     
    It's not a black ghetto. Not even close. Powderhorn ("Powderkeg"?) and Philips are highly diverse neighborhoods. They belong to everybody, and thus belong to nobody.


    The tragedy of the commons!

    (The real black ghetto is in North Minneapolis. What's been going on up there?)
  9. I watched the whole of Walz’s press conference.

    It consisted largely of admitting that his guys were badly outnumbered and he had no idea what to do.

    Perhaps not the best message to send to the enemy.

    He and his colleagues talked in military terms. Once he used the term “insurrection.”

    Here is what he should have said:

    “We would like to avoid further loss of life. But this is an insurrection against the people of Minnesota. I am giving orders to the Guardsmen to shoot to kill as many of the insurrectionists tomorrow as necessary to save the city of Minneapolis. It is the choice of the insurrectionists. They will leave or they will die.”

    Might actually be the best way to minimize the number of deaths. If he meant it.

    • Agree: Chrisnonymous
    • Replies: @Altai
    @PhysicistDave

    Not really, it would instigate a full scale revolt and political revolution.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @PhysicistDave

    Dave, Dave, you're thinking like a physicist, for whom actions cause reactions. You should already know from the corona panic that our "leaders" don't have the balls to do what is necessary to minimize damage. No, they pander to fear and sentimentality, which are not rational but cause even more damage.

    The only time your suggestion is carried out is when The People themselves become fed up enough to take matters into their own hands. There is a reason for Amendment II.

    https://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/175/667/7ad.jpg

    , @VinnyVette
    @PhysicistDave

    Blacks wouldn't be paying any attention, they're out on the streets, they know he's bluffing he wouldn't dare order police or the Guard to shoot, and they don't care even he did. They've been emboldened by the free pass they've gotten in all the previous riots. Waltz is a Democrat governor... They know he's on their side.

    , @Anon
    @PhysicistDave

    The media has been fastidious about using the terms protestors and demonstrators. MSNBC’s Ali Velshi said they were not unruly (while a building was burning behind him). Therefore any force used by police and Nat’l Guard will be seen as excessive, and the person issuing the orders will be vilified.

    I'm not sure I’d do anything different if I were in Walz’s or Frey’s shoes. Compared to other riots in the past what is going on in Minneapolis pales in comparison and will peter out by itself.

    Replies: @JG

    , @anon
    @PhysicistDave


    Here is what he should have said:

    “We would like to avoid further loss of life. But this is an insurrection against the people of Minnesota. I am giving orders to the Guardsmen to shoot to kill as many of the insurrectionists tomorrow as necessary to save the city of Minneapolis. It is the choice of the insurrectionists. They will leave or they will die.”
     

    Lol, no. That is, as they say in the sports world, bulletin board material. You can make arrests and show some force without blatantly pouring gasoline onto a volatile situation.

    Would also be a strategic failure; a misreading of the general public's sentiment. The riots aren't near bad enough. We're not even close to Ferguson-level rioting, yet my impression is that Steve and commenters here seem to reacting much more strongly.

    , @anon
    @PhysicistDave

    I watched the whole of Walz’s press conference.
    It consisted largely of admitting that his guys were badly outnumbered and he had no idea what to do.


    Thanks for watching that.

    Perhaps not the best message to send to the enemy.

    What enemy? The rioters and looters part of Walz's electoral base, not enemies.

  10. Altai [AKA "Altai_2"] says:

    Meanwhile, some of the protestors have begun to stop burning down black neighbourhoods. This was in Uptown, a mostly white area.

    So far it’s just burning barricades, but it only takes one guy to make it escalate.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @Altai

    Love the chyron in the video clip.

    When help is needed, "Military police is ready to deploy within 4 hours."

    Comforting. They can roast marshmallows over the remaining embers.

  11. anon[130] • Disclaimer says:

    Antifa, the FBI’s hired goon squad, takes the lead in rioting and now suddenly “white supremacists”, drug cartels and everything else under the sun is responsible? You’d think all those black rioters would notice Mexican cartel members and “white supremacists” when they saw them. Quick! Over there, a squirrel!

    Don’t be surprised if some of these guys suddenly retire without warning when they are about to be outed and then disappear without a trace, occasionally sending a mysterious confirmation tweet to their friend on YouTube to let everyone know all is well (nothing to suspect here) in their new life as a loving parent who just wants to be away from it all … despite showing zero indication of that just prior to retiring …

    • Replies: @U. Ranus
    @anon


    Antifa, the FBI’s hired goon squad
     
    Antifa is international, wouldn't it be more likely a CIA goon squad?

    Replies: @anon, @Gordo

    , @Pericles
    @anon

    It's fine, it's fine. Just arrest the former antifa protesters, now neonazi rioters, who are at the location and throw the book at them.

  12. So narcos and Nazis were responsible? Why not Russians?

    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
    @Percy Gryce

    Didn't get the memo? The Chicoms are the new villain du jour.

    Reports of Xi Jin Ping (or Winnie the Pooh) spotted torching buildings throughout the city have been coming in since last night.

    Replies: @Anon, @SunBakedSuburb

    , @Johnny Smoggins
    @Percy Gryce

    They were. I watched the press conference and both "White Supremacists" and "Russian agents" were named several times.

    This is truly a spectacle to behold.

  13. Altai [AKA "Altai_2"] says:
    @PhysicistDave
    I watched the whole of Walz's press conference.

    It consisted largely of admitting that his guys were badly outnumbered and he had no idea what to do.

    Perhaps not the best message to send to the enemy.

    He and his colleagues talked in military terms. Once he used the term "insurrection."

    Here is what he should have said:

    "We would like to avoid further loss of life. But this is an insurrection against the people of Minnesota. I am giving orders to the Guardsmen to shoot to kill as many of the insurrectionists tomorrow as necessary to save the city of Minneapolis. It is the choice of the insurrectionists. They will leave or they will die."

    Might actually be the best way to minimize the number of deaths. If he meant it.

    Replies: @Altai, @Buzz Mohawk, @VinnyVette, @Anon, @anon, @anon

    Not really, it would instigate a full scale revolt and political revolution.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @Altai

    Altai_2 wrote to me:


    Not really, it would instigate a full scale revolt and political revolution.
     
    By whom? The losers on the Left? Not enough of them and most are wimps.

    I suppose you are too young to remember what happened when Ceaușescu fell, and the secret police, the Securitate, decided to take on the Romanian military? It was short and sweet, very short, and, for those of us who hate tyranny, very, very sweet indeed.

    No, the Left only wins in a revolutionary situation if the decent people are cowards. Otherwise, the Left ends up hanging from lampposts.

    Replies: @Jane Plain

  14. Wouldn’t it be hilarious to troll the msm if we got the causality confused & claimed Officer Chauvin’s actions were a RESPONSE to the looting dindus!

  15. @PhysicistDave
    I watched the whole of Walz's press conference.

    It consisted largely of admitting that his guys were badly outnumbered and he had no idea what to do.

    Perhaps not the best message to send to the enemy.

    He and his colleagues talked in military terms. Once he used the term "insurrection."

    Here is what he should have said:

    "We would like to avoid further loss of life. But this is an insurrection against the people of Minnesota. I am giving orders to the Guardsmen to shoot to kill as many of the insurrectionists tomorrow as necessary to save the city of Minneapolis. It is the choice of the insurrectionists. They will leave or they will die."

    Might actually be the best way to minimize the number of deaths. If he meant it.

    Replies: @Altai, @Buzz Mohawk, @VinnyVette, @Anon, @anon, @anon

    Dave, Dave, you’re thinking like a physicist, for whom actions cause reactions. You should already know from the corona panic that our “leaders” don’t have the balls to do what is necessary to minimize damage. No, they pander to fear and sentimentality, which are not rational but cause even more damage.

    The only time your suggestion is carried out is when The People themselves become fed up enough to take matters into their own hands. There is a reason for Amendment II.

    • Agree: JosephB
  16. @anon
    Antifa, the FBI's hired goon squad, takes the lead in rioting and now suddenly "white supremacists", drug cartels and everything else under the sun is responsible? You'd think all those black rioters would notice Mexican cartel members and "white supremacists" when they saw them. Quick! Over there, a squirrel!

    Don't be surprised if some of these guys suddenly retire without warning when they are about to be outed and then disappear without a trace, occasionally sending a mysterious confirmation tweet to their friend on YouTube to let everyone know all is well (nothing to suspect here) in their new life as a loving parent who just wants to be away from it all ... despite showing zero indication of that just prior to retiring ...

    Replies: @U. Ranus, @Pericles

    Antifa, the FBI’s hired goon squad

    Antifa is international, wouldn’t it be more likely a CIA goon squad?

    • Replies: @anon
    @U. Ranus


    Antifa is international, wouldn’t it be more likely a CIA goon squad?
     
    FBI. The CIA isn't allowed to operate domestically, and it originated here. Almost all the coordination would be FBI, with CIA having minimal input. These letter agencies don't like other letter agencies intruding on their turf. It's FBI, maybe with some ATF help.

    COINTELPRO was a series of covert and illegal projects conducted by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) aimed at surveilling, infiltrating, discrediting, and disrupting American political organizations.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO
     

    Replies: @Federalist, @Geschrei

    , @Gordo
    @U. Ranus


    Antifa is international, wouldn’t it be more likely a CIA goon squad?
     
    The hired thugs of the billionaire class.
  17. It’s all a cunning plan by the white supremacists to destroy blacks by giving them access to more decadent consumer goods like wide-screen TVs and hair straightener. Think of all the would-be doctors and engineers who’ll be led astray with all that looted merchandise.

    • Replies: @Stephen Paul Foster
    @Rob McX

    "Think of all the would-be doctors and engineers who’ll be led astray with all that looted merchandise."

    Don't be shocked if your spoof soon turns into a serious talking point by Don Lemon on CNN.

  18. The Governor either:

    1. Actually believes what he is saying, in which case he is so delusional as to qualify as clinically insane.

    2. Knows he is lying, in which case he is deliberately slandering Whites while a Race Riot is going on around him.

    Whether he is dangerously insane, or simply a Race Traitor fomenting anti-White violence, he is unfit for the Office he now occupies.

    Delusional, incompetent, cowardly, dishonest, but above all, constantly playing to Racial Politics, Public Officials are systematically unfit for the Offices which they now pollute.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @theMann

    I didn’t see it, but wasn’t there an episode of HBO’s The Watchmen series in which white supremacists put subliminal images in movies to make blacks commit crimes? Maybe he’s thinking of something like that.

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @Federalist, @Harry Baldwin

    , @Altai
    @theMann

    Apparently he was just asked if he'd heard of the reports and he said yes. He didn't really endorse the idea. But the subsequent media coverage headlines made it sound like an announcement.

    Apparently some far-right sites had suggested their readers go out and do this but this was obviously after the riots had already started and buildings were being burned down. Were they popular ones or were they one run by the FBI? Were they really organised or were they just throwing the idea out there impotently in the way that discourse on the internet usually goes. "Somebody should just go and..." is hardly the basis for a serious threat. Was the site saying this or was a user just posting?

    , @Findol
    @theMann

    Maybe, but who's going to do anything about it? The stone is rolling at this point, there's no going back now until it hits the bottom. Though who knows what that will look like.

  19. Anonymous[739] • Disclaimer says:

    • Replies: @Mike_from_SGV
    @Anonymous

    Cute. Respond to black criminality by blaming systemic racism (sic). Law abiding whites end up getting screwed, the criminals get their wrist slapped at worst. The New America.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Anonymous

    Dear Liz, fighting a social construct would be like shadow boxing, just a good, sweaty work out where you can't get hurt unless you throw out your shoulder or something. And POC are fighting racism alone because they see it everywhere, even when it doesn't exist.

    , @Forbes
    @Anonymous


    White Americans must ask ourselves...
     
    So Liz is White now?? No more Cherokee Woman? No longer a POC? 1/1024 not enough to sustain the grandmother had to elope out of disgrace ethnic heritage story? What happened?

    But pray listen to her pearls of wisdom and words of advice because she's trustworthy and has integrity.
    , @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid
    @Anonymous

    Morning prayer:

    "Heavenly Father, thank you for this gift of a new day.
    Thank you for my family, and the love they bring into my life.
    Thank you for sending your Son, my Redeemer, to ease my daily burdens.
    And what can my cracker self do today to dismantle systemic racism?
    In Jesus' name I pray..."

    , @suicidal_canadian
    @Anonymous

    We whites have a responsibility to be anti-racist. I thought she got some sort of diversity scholarship for being native American? This seems like a new version of hello fellow white people.

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Anonymous


    The idea that communities of color alone are responsible for fighting racism is misguided . . .
     
    I think she means whites are supposed to help rioters of color burn their own neighborhoods down.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    @Anonymous

    Liz should demonstrate her commitment to dismantling systemic racism by going to the nearest Target and tossing a brick through a window.

  20. @theMann
    The Governor either:

    1. Actually believes what he is saying, in which case he is so delusional as to qualify as clinically insane.

    2. Knows he is lying, in which case he is deliberately slandering Whites while a Race Riot is going on around him.


    Whether he is dangerously insane, or simply a Race Traitor fomenting anti-White violence, he is unfit for the Office he now occupies.


    Delusional, incompetent, cowardly, dishonest, but above all, constantly playing to Racial Politics, Public Officials are systematically unfit for the Offices which they now pollute.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Altai, @Findol

    I didn’t see it, but wasn’t there an episode of HBO’s The Watchmen series in which white supremacists put subliminal images in movies to make blacks commit crimes? Maybe he’s thinking of something like that.

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    @Dave Pinsen

    Would you please just stop?

    He said what he said because he can't think of anything else to say. He's a limited man, out of ideas, he knows he really should issue orders to shoot to kill, but he can't. His hands are tied. So he says dumb shit like "it's white supremacists."

    Look, I don't like the guy, I think he's inadequate to the task - but who is? Who the hell can do anything about this shitshow of a country?

    Can't you at least be sensible?

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Federalist
    @Dave Pinsen


    ...wasn’t there an episode of HBO’s The Watchmen series in which white supremacists put subliminal images in movies to make blacks commit crimes?
     
    LOL. Because blacks don't commit much crime on their own. I've never heard of this show. Is it a comedy?

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @Dave Pinsen

    Your theory makes sense. Why would blacks behave in a way that validates the most negative racist stereotypes unless white supremacists were somehow making them do it?

  21. @Rob McX
    It's all a cunning plan by the white supremacists to destroy blacks by giving them access to more decadent consumer goods like wide-screen TVs and hair straightener. Think of all the would-be doctors and engineers who'll be led astray with all that looted merchandise.

    Replies: @Stephen Paul Foster

    “Think of all the would-be doctors and engineers who’ll be led astray with all that looted merchandise.”

    Don’t be shocked if your spoof soon turns into a serious talking point by Don Lemon on CNN.

  22. White Cuban Right-wing Drug Smugglers. The governor panicked and couldn’t get that out. Cartels is a slur against Hispanic Hispanics, and therefore un-Woke.

  23. Altai [AKA "Altai_2"] says:

    Here is the time Clinton is asked if the bomb in NYC was actually Putin trying to influence the election.

  24. Altai [AKA "Altai_2"] says:
    @theMann
    The Governor either:

    1. Actually believes what he is saying, in which case he is so delusional as to qualify as clinically insane.

    2. Knows he is lying, in which case he is deliberately slandering Whites while a Race Riot is going on around him.


    Whether he is dangerously insane, or simply a Race Traitor fomenting anti-White violence, he is unfit for the Office he now occupies.


    Delusional, incompetent, cowardly, dishonest, but above all, constantly playing to Racial Politics, Public Officials are systematically unfit for the Offices which they now pollute.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Altai, @Findol

    Apparently he was just asked if he’d heard of the reports and he said yes. He didn’t really endorse the idea. But the subsequent media coverage headlines made it sound like an announcement.

    Apparently some far-right sites had suggested their readers go out and do this but this was obviously after the riots had already started and buildings were being burned down. Were they popular ones or were they one run by the FBI? Were they really organised or were they just throwing the idea out there impotently in the way that discourse on the internet usually goes. “Somebody should just go and…” is hardly the basis for a serious threat. Was the site saying this or was a user just posting?

  25. “Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz says he suspects white supremacist groups and drug cartels are carrying out some of the violence in Minneapolis, but cannot confirm it at this time. ”

  26. Anonymous[161] • Disclaimer says:

    On a somewhat related note, the late, great celebrated Enoch Powell MP made his famous ‘Rivers of Blood’ as he watched, dismayed, the scenes of rioting in the USA of 1968.

    As he predicted, Britain was soon a victim of the same phenomenon – last scene in London 2011. Almost always such riots are triggered off by the police killing a black person in somewhat heated circumstances. As sure as night follows day, black revenge sets in with everything ‘white’ being a target. Doubtless it will happen in the UK again again and again.

    Such is the character and proclivity of blacks. They will *always* but *always* find themselves in these situations and afterwards lash out in anger against whites in general.

    There is only one solution and one solution only.

    The very very few white nations now existing, must, for their own survival put an absolute ban and prohibition on all black immigration. Period. No quibbling. No exceptions. No ‘humanitarian’ cases.

    Of course, The Economist magazine rabidly shrieks for unlimited black immigration into white nations. The only problem is that the dumb bastard gullible western political class/Deep State follow The Economist like sheep.

    Now you all know why I have an implacable hatred, anger and contempt towards The Economist.

    • Replies: @Hugo Silva
    @Anonymous

    Blacks are Gessler's Cap of the modern West ruling class, as long as you show deference to the Blacks the ruling class knows you are not a threat their power.

  27. anon[408] • Disclaimer says:
    @U. Ranus
    @anon


    Antifa, the FBI’s hired goon squad
     
    Antifa is international, wouldn't it be more likely a CIA goon squad?

    Replies: @anon, @Gordo

    Antifa is international, wouldn’t it be more likely a CIA goon squad?

    FBI. The CIA isn’t allowed to operate domestically, and it originated here. Almost all the coordination would be FBI, with CIA having minimal input. These letter agencies don’t like other letter agencies intruding on their turf. It’s FBI, maybe with some ATF help.

    COINTELPRO was a series of covert and illegal projects conducted by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) aimed at surveilling, infiltrating, discrediting, and disrupting American political organizations.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

    • Replies: @Federalist
    @anon


    The CIA isn’t allowed to operate domestically,
     
    Good Lord.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    , @Geschrei
    @anon


    The CIA isn’t allowed to operate domestically
     
    Yes, and thank goodness we can rest assured that the CIA always does everything “by the book”.
  28. @theMann
    The Governor either:

    1. Actually believes what he is saying, in which case he is so delusional as to qualify as clinically insane.

    2. Knows he is lying, in which case he is deliberately slandering Whites while a Race Riot is going on around him.


    Whether he is dangerously insane, or simply a Race Traitor fomenting anti-White violence, he is unfit for the Office he now occupies.


    Delusional, incompetent, cowardly, dishonest, but above all, constantly playing to Racial Politics, Public Officials are systematically unfit for the Offices which they now pollute.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Altai, @Findol

    Maybe, but who’s going to do anything about it? The stone is rolling at this point, there’s no going back now until it hits the bottom. Though who knows what that will look like.

  29. @TheMassageIsTheMedium
    Does mean black > whites and latinos in the 4D intersectionality pie diagram?

    Replies: @Bucky

    Yeah no shit man. All the build the wall crap made little sense when you contrast Chicano behavior versus black behavior.

    It was political correctness from the right.

    • Replies: @Neuday
    @Bucky


    All the build the wall crap made little sense when you contrast Chicano behavior versus black behavior.

    It was political correctness from the right.
     

    I wouldn't call it political correctness; rather, it's not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. Blacks are about 13-15% of the population, which is manageable. America in the 70's was pretty good. Letting in 100's of millions from the Southern border vastly increased social spending and Democrat power and decreased quality of life (c.f. California).

    With immigration enforcement America could handle the black underclass and afford a level of dem programs. Without that enforcement, as we have seen, it all turns to crap. Just because you have 40 million 85 IQ people is no reason to let in 200 million 92 IQ who will undercut the labor cost of Blacks and working-class Whites and vastly expand costs for social services.

    A nation run by people who loved it would never have passed Hart-Cellar. Instead of importing Mexicans to pick crops, wages would have risen to the point of becoming attractive jobs to Blacks and working-class or young Whites. I worked in a fruit packing shed between my Junior and Senior years in High School, long ago, and made decent money for hard work, but there were only a handful of Whites; nearly everyone was Mexican. Maybe our elites didn't like the optics of Blacks picking crops, but it would've been better for all of us if they had, even if lettuce cost 15¢ more a head. Blacks can work, but welfare and immigration made it so many didn't have to, and now we have what we have.

    Replies: @Bucky

  30. As Steve has pointed out since years, the rules of letting criminals wild do not apply for places like New York where important people live.

  31. @anon
    Antifa, the FBI's hired goon squad, takes the lead in rioting and now suddenly "white supremacists", drug cartels and everything else under the sun is responsible? You'd think all those black rioters would notice Mexican cartel members and "white supremacists" when they saw them. Quick! Over there, a squirrel!

    Don't be surprised if some of these guys suddenly retire without warning when they are about to be outed and then disappear without a trace, occasionally sending a mysterious confirmation tweet to their friend on YouTube to let everyone know all is well (nothing to suspect here) in their new life as a loving parent who just wants to be away from it all ... despite showing zero indication of that just prior to retiring ...

    Replies: @U. Ranus, @Pericles

    It’s fine, it’s fine. Just arrest the former antifa protesters, now neonazi rioters, who are at the location and throw the book at them.

  32. @Altai
    @PhysicistDave

    Not really, it would instigate a full scale revolt and political revolution.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    Altai_2 wrote to me:

    Not really, it would instigate a full scale revolt and political revolution.

    By whom? The losers on the Left? Not enough of them and most are wimps.

    I suppose you are too young to remember what happened when Ceaușescu fell, and the secret police, the Securitate, decided to take on the Romanian military? It was short and sweet, very short, and, for those of us who hate tyranny, very, very sweet indeed.

    No, the Left only wins in a revolutionary situation if the decent people are cowards. Otherwise, the Left ends up hanging from lampposts.

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    @PhysicistDave

    I think Altai_2 is referring to Antifa, and their allies. These guys are willing to kill. Not just cops, but you and me.

    What they lack so far is leadership and organization. That's next on the list. If they get organized, it's curtains.

    That's the reason I dismiss that they are really CIA or FBI fronts. So far they couldn't run a two-car funeral.

    Replies: @Stealth, @PSR, @Paul Mendez, @Muggles, @PhysicistDave

  33. At the moment, St. Paul and Minneapolis could do with some white supremacists in the mix – like an old-fashioned Klan ride through the cities.

  34. @Dave Pinsen
    @theMann

    I didn’t see it, but wasn’t there an episode of HBO’s The Watchmen series in which white supremacists put subliminal images in movies to make blacks commit crimes? Maybe he’s thinking of something like that.

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @Federalist, @Harry Baldwin

    Would you please just stop?

    He said what he said because he can’t think of anything else to say. He’s a limited man, out of ideas, he knows he really should issue orders to shoot to kill, but he can’t. His hands are tied. So he says dumb shit like “it’s white supremacists.”

    Look, I don’t like the guy, I think he’s inadequate to the task – but who is? Who the hell can do anything about this shitshow of a country?

    Can’t you at least be sensible?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Jane Plain


    He’s a limited man, out of ideas.
    ...
    So he says dumb shit like “it’s white supremacists.”
     
    Telling outrageous lies like that requires thought too. Why did he blame "white supremacists" instead of Antifa (closer to the truth)? No enemies on the Left.

    He's not out of ideas, he's just out of ideas that are appealing to his base. That's a whole different thing.

    BTW, since these are white supremacists (who as we all know, deserve to die) why can't he issue "shoot on sight" orders for them?

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Jane Plain

  35. @PhysicistDave
    @Altai

    Altai_2 wrote to me:


    Not really, it would instigate a full scale revolt and political revolution.
     
    By whom? The losers on the Left? Not enough of them and most are wimps.

    I suppose you are too young to remember what happened when Ceaușescu fell, and the secret police, the Securitate, decided to take on the Romanian military? It was short and sweet, very short, and, for those of us who hate tyranny, very, very sweet indeed.

    No, the Left only wins in a revolutionary situation if the decent people are cowards. Otherwise, the Left ends up hanging from lampposts.

    Replies: @Jane Plain

    I think Altai_2 is referring to Antifa, and their allies. These guys are willing to kill. Not just cops, but you and me.

    What they lack so far is leadership and organization. That’s next on the list. If they get organized, it’s curtains.

    That’s the reason I dismiss that they are really CIA or FBI fronts. So far they couldn’t run a two-car funeral.

    • Replies: @Stealth
    @Jane Plain

    These guys are willing to kill. Not just cops, but you and me.


    They're willing to maim, because they know killing would be bad publicity.


    That’s the reason I dismiss that they are really CIA or FBI fronts. So far they couldn’t run a two-car funeral.


    I doubt they're being directed and supported by the feds, and they don't really need to be; Antifa is still an astroturf movement. They seem pretty well organized to me.

    , @PSR
    @Jane Plain

    Maybe I'm being naive but I'm not too worried about them in the long run because they clearly are undisciplined (I suspect most are personally unaccomplished and lazy), untrained and - compared to conservatives - completely unarmed, for the big one.

    Replies: @Paul Mendez

    , @Paul Mendez
    @Jane Plain

    You have it backwards. Antifa is very well organized.

    It’s the CIA and the FBI who can’t organize a two-car funeral.

    , @Muggles
    @Jane Plain

    >>That’s the reason I dismiss that they are really CIA or FBI fronts. So far they couldn’t run a two-car funeral.<<

    So that's incompetence when the FBI/CIA/NSA all outsourced Russiagate to the UK MI5 "retireee" who created/purchased black disinfo on Trump (Moscow hookers, etc.) and lined up third hand snitches about overheard conversations with various Russians and turned it into a three year circus. The Mueller Investigation. Sideshow being the Ukrainegate that was supposed to end in Trump's impeachment? That just used moles and snitches ready to retire to CNN.

    Not such a sideshow of incompetence. Instead a classic black op to smear an opponent, something the CIA has done for decades. The FBI has never left the secret police game either. NSA is just Big Brother/Sister in the sky for everyone! Third nation cutouts, etc. Routine stuff.

    As to antifa, probably just riddled with informants, not being led. Too much career ending risk for leading a black op like that in the US. Instead just have eyes/ears on them and possibly encourage things along. Maybe a number of foreign spook hooks inside antifa. Lots of petty criminals looking for deals there too, as snitches, etc. Someday books will be written...

    , @PhysicistDave
    @Jane Plain

    Jane Plain wrote to me:


    I think Altai_2 is referring to Antifa, and their allies. These guys are willing to kill. Not just cops, but you and me.
     
    Of course.

    Bring it on -- the US military vs. antifa.

    How long will the battle last? Twenty minutes?

    The only reason any antifa are still alive is that the US elite are either on their sides or cowards.

    Replies: @Jane Plain

  36. @Percy Gryce
    So narcos and Nazis were responsible? Why not Russians?

    Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin, @Johnny Smoggins

    Didn’t get the memo? The Chicoms are the new villain du jour.

    Reports of Xi Jin Ping (or Winnie the Pooh) spotted torching buildings throughout the city have been coming in since last night.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Kolya Krassotkin

    Yeah, the only people pushing the ‘Putin is responsible for Minneapolis’ are GOP neocon operatives.


    “I've studied Russian information warfare for years. Promoting racial division hoping it leads to violence was a Soviet objective, picked up by Putin's regime. Constant element of their active measures against the US. Goal is to see more of what's happening in Minneapolis.”

    Ron Nehring (Presidential spox for @TedCruz in ‘16. Senior advisor in ‘18. CAGOP chairman, RNC member 2007-11. Almost CA Lt. Gov. in ‘14. Former state/local official).

    https://mobile.twitter.com/RonNehring/status/1266409670094155776?s=20
     

    Replies: @Wernermagnus

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Kolya Krassotkin

    "The Chicoms are the new villain du jour."

    The Chicoms and their American elite allies are the new villains du jour. But Hollywood rejects this idea.

  37. It makes perfect sense that racist whites would burn down a city to protest the death of a black criminal! Since when are drug cartels run by whites? Did the Jackass Waltz ever consider that maybe what whites are involved in the so called protests that maybe it’s backlash for his draconian and inconsistent lockdown measures? 50 ppl can congregate in a bar but only 10 in a church cause you know… SAFETY!

    • Agree: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @VinnyVette

    "Did the Jackass Waltz ever consider that maybe what whites are involved in the so called protests that maybe it’s backlash for his draconian and inconsistent lockdown measures?"

    I had the same thought: Whites are displacing their anger about illegal lockdowns over a benign common cold onto a respectable cause like BlackLivesMatter. Or maybe the correct psychology term is 'transference'. Also, since the lockdowns have forcibly disemployed millions of Whites, they have plenty of time for burning and looting, just like lazy sacred Diversities always have.

  38. @PhysicistDave
    I watched the whole of Walz's press conference.

    It consisted largely of admitting that his guys were badly outnumbered and he had no idea what to do.

    Perhaps not the best message to send to the enemy.

    He and his colleagues talked in military terms. Once he used the term "insurrection."

    Here is what he should have said:

    "We would like to avoid further loss of life. But this is an insurrection against the people of Minnesota. I am giving orders to the Guardsmen to shoot to kill as many of the insurrectionists tomorrow as necessary to save the city of Minneapolis. It is the choice of the insurrectionists. They will leave or they will die."

    Might actually be the best way to minimize the number of deaths. If he meant it.

    Replies: @Altai, @Buzz Mohawk, @VinnyVette, @Anon, @anon, @anon

    Blacks wouldn’t be paying any attention, they’re out on the streets, they know he’s bluffing he wouldn’t dare order police or the Guard to shoot, and they don’t care even he did. They’ve been emboldened by the free pass they’ve gotten in all the previous riots. Waltz is a Democrat governor… They know he’s on their side.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  39. I’m a cynical misanthrope, and I’ve been around long enough at this point that it’s hard to surprise me, but the governor of Minnesota blaming the riots on white supremacists is something I really wasn’t expecting. The Russians, maybe, but not the Klan.

    • Replies: @tanabear
    @Stealth

    "Clearly this was all planned by warriors of Guilder! We must all be ready for whatever lies ahead."

    , @VinnyVette
    @Stealth

    The KKK is behind everything and financed by Russia don't take know?

    , @Dr. X
    @Stealth

    If the Klan hadn't actually existed, they would invent it to fit The Narrative...

    , @Forbes
    @Stealth

    Walz omitted blaming the Lutherans--you know they had to be in on it in Minnesota. Nothing happens in Minnesota without Lutheran involvement...

  40. Give the black rioters the idea that the whites fighting alongside them are actually KKK and see if some of those antifas don’t get their asses kicked.

  41. @Jane Plain
    @PhysicistDave

    I think Altai_2 is referring to Antifa, and their allies. These guys are willing to kill. Not just cops, but you and me.

    What they lack so far is leadership and organization. That's next on the list. If they get organized, it's curtains.

    That's the reason I dismiss that they are really CIA or FBI fronts. So far they couldn't run a two-car funeral.

    Replies: @Stealth, @PSR, @Paul Mendez, @Muggles, @PhysicistDave

    These guys are willing to kill. Not just cops, but you and me.

    They’re willing to maim, because they know killing would be bad publicity.

    That’s the reason I dismiss that they are really CIA or FBI fronts. So far they couldn’t run a two-car funeral.

    I doubt they’re being directed and supported by the feds, and they don’t really need to be; Antifa is still an astroturf movement. They seem pretty well organized to me.

  42. Anon[387] • Disclaimer says:
    @PhysicistDave
    I watched the whole of Walz's press conference.

    It consisted largely of admitting that his guys were badly outnumbered and he had no idea what to do.

    Perhaps not the best message to send to the enemy.

    He and his colleagues talked in military terms. Once he used the term "insurrection."

    Here is what he should have said:

    "We would like to avoid further loss of life. But this is an insurrection against the people of Minnesota. I am giving orders to the Guardsmen to shoot to kill as many of the insurrectionists tomorrow as necessary to save the city of Minneapolis. It is the choice of the insurrectionists. They will leave or they will die."

    Might actually be the best way to minimize the number of deaths. If he meant it.

    Replies: @Altai, @Buzz Mohawk, @VinnyVette, @Anon, @anon, @anon

    The media has been fastidious about using the terms protestors and demonstrators. MSNBC’s Ali Velshi said they were not unruly (while a building was burning behind him). Therefore any force used by police and Nat’l Guard will be seen as excessive, and the person issuing the orders will be vilified.

    I’m not sure I’d do anything different if I were in Walz’s or Frey’s shoes. Compared to other riots in the past what is going on in Minneapolis pales in comparison and will peter out by itself.

    • Replies: @JG
    @Anon

    You obviously have not seen Minneapolis first hand today. I would not want to see the other side of pales if true. Most of South Minneapolis buisness districts are leveled. I biked through today, absolutly shocking to this midwesterner.

  43. So I guess all the blackface wearing is the real crime here then.

    • LOL: JosephB
  44. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1266528799228694530

    Replies: @Mike_from_SGV, @Buffalo Joe, @Forbes, @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid, @suicidal_canadian, @Hypnotoad666, @Harry Baldwin

    Cute. Respond to black criminality by blaming systemic racism (sic). Law abiding whites end up getting screwed, the criminals get their wrist slapped at worst. The New America.

  45. The problem that Governor Tim Walz and other liberals have is the cognitive dissonance that ensues when their woke assumptions run up against reality.

    Liberals typically don’t even try to resolve contradictions before spurting nonsense. To wit: RACISTS obviously caused the riots in Minneapolis and elsewhere. This is an axiom not susceptible to verification because, if it’s not true, then blacks might be at fault. Blacks are never at fault. Therefore, the appearance that blacks are at fault is a conspiracy against blacks. It has to be because it is a tautology that blacks are, sui generis, victims rather than perpetrators regardless of evidence to the contrary. Indeed, RACISTS even manipulate the media to show blacks doing the burning, stealing, and reveling.

    There you have it: White supremacists, Hispanic drug cartels, MAGA supporters, and Putin’s foreign agents are again rioting and burning down black communities … and no one is doing anything about it! Facts be damned, this HAS to be the case: Blacks didn’t do it! Whites, racists, and foreigners did it!

    Compare Minneapolis to the Hispanic response to Covit-19 and other challenges faced by their communities in Northern Virginia (with the assumption this is duplicated elsewhere). They have organized free food banks, free medical clinics, legal aid, job fairs, and other networks to ease their transition into American society. This typically takes place quietly behind the scenes. And to be sure, Hispanics are not looting stores, flash-mobbing malls, randomly attacking people on the street, or burning down their communities.

    Fred Reed hit the nail on the head. Blacks constitute a permanent custodial population that, based on evidence to date, is collectively unable of assimilating into modern society. I mention “modern society” rather than “Western society” because it is fair to assume they would show similar results trying to assimilate, let’s say, into Chinese or higher-caste Hindi society. Human evolution has not equipped them for the challenge of being what they are not.

    The lot of blacks in the United States will improve only when liberals face this reality and stop chasing chimeras and acting on counterfactual fantasies that have nothing to do with the human condition.

  46. Most American cities erupted in riots after MLK’s death, but Chicago was quiet because Mayor Daley issued shoot-to-kill orders, and everyone knew he wasn’t kidding.

    There are no Daleys in city government today, just dim-witted blacks and faggy white liberals.

  47. From the murder complaint for the officer who was kneeling on the victim’s neck (emphasis added):

    The full report of the ME is pending but the ME has made the following preliminary findings. The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.

    I’m not a legal expert, but this feels more like manslaughter. If he isn’t convicted of murder, things will be much bloodier than they are now.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @JosephB


    I’m not a legal expert, but this feels more like manslaughter.
     
    The cop is charged with Murder 3, just like the Somali cop who shot the White Aussie lady.

    Maybe Jack D can give us an explanation of the different levels of murder.

    Replies: @JosephB

  48. @U. Ranus
    @anon


    Antifa, the FBI’s hired goon squad
     
    Antifa is international, wouldn't it be more likely a CIA goon squad?

    Replies: @anon, @Gordo

    Antifa is international, wouldn’t it be more likely a CIA goon squad?

    The hired thugs of the billionaire class.

  49. @Kolya Krassotkin
    @Percy Gryce

    Didn't get the memo? The Chicoms are the new villain du jour.

    Reports of Xi Jin Ping (or Winnie the Pooh) spotted torching buildings throughout the city have been coming in since last night.

    Replies: @Anon, @SunBakedSuburb

    Yeah, the only people pushing the ‘Putin is responsible for Minneapolis’ are GOP neocon operatives.

    “I’ve studied Russian information warfare for years. Promoting racial division hoping it leads to violence was a Soviet objective, picked up by Putin’s regime. Constant element of their active measures against the US. Goal is to see more of what’s happening in Minneapolis.”

    Ron Nehring (Presidential spox for @TedCruz in ‘16. Senior advisor in ‘18. CAGOP chairman, RNC member 2007-11. Almost CA Lt. Gov. in ‘14. Former state/local official).

    https://mobile.twitter.com/RonNehring/status/1266409670094155776?s=20

    • Replies: @Wernermagnus
    @Anon

    Well he is partially correct. If you take Soviet to mean Jewish...

  50. Can’t one of these tech geniuses invent a device that allows police to immobilize a suspect from a safe distance?

    • Replies: @VinnyVette
    @Thea

    Can’t one of these tech geniuses invent a device that allows police to immobilize a suspect from a safe distance?

    I believe they have, it's called a Taser.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Jim Don Bob, @Thea

  51. anon[282] • Disclaimer says:
    @PhysicistDave
    I watched the whole of Walz's press conference.

    It consisted largely of admitting that his guys were badly outnumbered and he had no idea what to do.

    Perhaps not the best message to send to the enemy.

    He and his colleagues talked in military terms. Once he used the term "insurrection."

    Here is what he should have said:

    "We would like to avoid further loss of life. But this is an insurrection against the people of Minnesota. I am giving orders to the Guardsmen to shoot to kill as many of the insurrectionists tomorrow as necessary to save the city of Minneapolis. It is the choice of the insurrectionists. They will leave or they will die."

    Might actually be the best way to minimize the number of deaths. If he meant it.

    Replies: @Altai, @Buzz Mohawk, @VinnyVette, @Anon, @anon, @anon

    Here is what he should have said:

    “We would like to avoid further loss of life. But this is an insurrection against the people of Minnesota. I am giving orders to the Guardsmen to shoot to kill as many of the insurrectionists tomorrow as necessary to save the city of Minneapolis. It is the choice of the insurrectionists. They will leave or they will die.”

    Lol, no. That is, as they say in the sports world, bulletin board material. You can make arrests and show some force without blatantly pouring gasoline onto a volatile situation.

    Would also be a strategic failure; a misreading of the general public’s sentiment. The riots aren’t near bad enough. We’re not even close to Ferguson-level rioting, yet my impression is that Steve and commenters here seem to reacting much more strongly.

  52. Trump is done. His admin has always had an appeasement approach to Blacks. His master plan was to peal away Black voters from democrat party. So no cuts in social spending, no talk critical of affirmative action programs, no legal action against people who resist arrest.

    Trump is terrified to even tweet in opposition to the rioters.

  53. CNN is also blaming Russian agents.

  54. That’s right. White supremacists are rioting and looting just like they did in reaction to this video of police shooting an unarmed white man.

  55. @VinnyVette
    It makes perfect sense that racist whites would burn down a city to protest the death of a black criminal! Since when are drug cartels run by whites? Did the Jackass Waltz ever consider that maybe what whites are involved in the so called protests that maybe it's backlash for his draconian and inconsistent lockdown measures? 50 ppl can congregate in a bar but only 10 in a church cause you know... SAFETY!

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    “Did the Jackass Waltz ever consider that maybe what whites are involved in the so called protests that maybe it’s backlash for his draconian and inconsistent lockdown measures?”

    I had the same thought: Whites are displacing their anger about illegal lockdowns over a benign common cold onto a respectable cause like BlackLivesMatter. Or maybe the correct psychology term is ‘transference’. Also, since the lockdowns have forcibly disemployed millions of Whites, they have plenty of time for burning and looting, just like lazy sacred Diversities always have.

  56. @Stealth
    I'm a cynical misanthrope, and I've been around long enough at this point that it's hard to surprise me, but the governor of Minnesota blaming the riots on white supremacists is something I really wasn't expecting. The Russians, maybe, but not the Klan.

    Replies: @tanabear, @VinnyVette, @Dr. X, @Forbes

    Clearly this was all planned by warriors of Guilder! We must all be ready for whatever lies ahead.”

  57. The white leftists involved in this mayhem actually feel that whites in general are the lowest scum on Earth. So rather than phantom “white supremacists” what we’re really seeing is “white inferiorists.”

  58. The usual crowd over at amren are rubbing their hands with glee at the sight of the rioters/looters, probably anxiously praying for more of the illegal activity. White supremacist involvement doesn’t sound like a farfetched idea to me.

    • Troll: V. Hickel
  59. @Stealth
    I'm a cynical misanthrope, and I've been around long enough at this point that it's hard to surprise me, but the governor of Minnesota blaming the riots on white supremacists is something I really wasn't expecting. The Russians, maybe, but not the Klan.

    Replies: @tanabear, @VinnyVette, @Dr. X, @Forbes

    The KKK is behind everything and financed by Russia don’t take know?

  60. @Stealth
    I'm a cynical misanthrope, and I've been around long enough at this point that it's hard to surprise me, but the governor of Minnesota blaming the riots on white supremacists is something I really wasn't expecting. The Russians, maybe, but not the Klan.

    Replies: @tanabear, @VinnyVette, @Dr. X, @Forbes

    If the Klan hadn’t actually existed, they would invent it to fit The Narrative…

  61. @HammerJack
    That Tim Walz is a genius. I just knew that white supremacists were the ones behind all of the violence against police. As a society, we really need to stand up to them for once.

    Replies: @Justvisiting

    These white supremacists were so clever they put on blackface to hide their crimes. 😉

  62. @Jane Plain
    @Dave Pinsen

    Would you please just stop?

    He said what he said because he can't think of anything else to say. He's a limited man, out of ideas, he knows he really should issue orders to shoot to kill, but he can't. His hands are tied. So he says dumb shit like "it's white supremacists."

    Look, I don't like the guy, I think he's inadequate to the task - but who is? Who the hell can do anything about this shitshow of a country?

    Can't you at least be sensible?

    Replies: @Jack D

    He’s a limited man, out of ideas.

    So he says dumb shit like “it’s white supremacists.”

    Telling outrageous lies like that requires thought too. Why did he blame “white supremacists” instead of Antifa (closer to the truth)? No enemies on the Left.

    He’s not out of ideas, he’s just out of ideas that are appealing to his base. That’s a whole different thing.

    BTW, since these are white supremacists (who as we all know, deserve to die) why can’t he issue “shoot on sight” orders for them?

    • Agree: JosephB
    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @Jack D


    BTW, since these are white supremacists (who as we all know, deserve to die) why can’t he issue “shoot on sight” orders for them?
     
    If they really were, perhaps he would. But since it's BS propaganda, he wouldn't dare put it to the test.
    , @Jane Plain
    @Jack D

    Everybody's out of ideas, including your boy, Trump, who actually thought that courting chaos would help his re-election.

  63. @anon
    Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz says he suspects white supremacist groups and drug cartels are carrying out some of the violence in Minneapolis, but cannot confirm it at this time.

    Desperate deflection is not a pretty sight. Perhaps someone could get a bowl full of Xanax for the Governor, the mayor and their staffs?

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Reg Cæsar, @415 reasons, @Hypnotoad666

    The “white supremacists” are remnants from Eric Holder’s Alt-Right Project.

  64. @Bucky
    @TheMassageIsTheMedium

    Yeah no shit man. All the build the wall crap made little sense when you contrast Chicano behavior versus black behavior.

    It was political correctness from the right.

    Replies: @Neuday

    All the build the wall crap made little sense when you contrast Chicano behavior versus black behavior.

    It was political correctness from the right.

    I wouldn’t call it political correctness; rather, it’s not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. Blacks are about 13-15% of the population, which is manageable. America in the 70’s was pretty good. Letting in 100’s of millions from the Southern border vastly increased social spending and Democrat power and decreased quality of life (c.f. California).

    With immigration enforcement America could handle the black underclass and afford a level of dem programs. Without that enforcement, as we have seen, it all turns to crap. Just because you have 40 million 85 IQ people is no reason to let in 200 million 92 IQ who will undercut the labor cost of Blacks and working-class Whites and vastly expand costs for social services.

    A nation run by people who loved it would never have passed Hart-Cellar. Instead of importing Mexicans to pick crops, wages would have risen to the point of becoming attractive jobs to Blacks and working-class or young Whites. I worked in a fruit packing shed between my Junior and Senior years in High School, long ago, and made decent money for hard work, but there were only a handful of Whites; nearly everyone was Mexican. Maybe our elites didn’t like the optics of Blacks picking crops, but it would’ve been better for all of us if they had, even if lettuce cost 15¢ more a head. Blacks can work, but welfare and immigration made it so many didn’t have to, and now we have what we have.

    • Agree: Federalist, XYZ (no Mr.)
    • Replies: @Bucky
    @Neuday

    Without Hart-Cellar blacks would not be 13-15% of the population.

    They would be 30-40%.

    The Mexicans and other post 1965 immigrants also contributed mightily to American power in various ways.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  65. @Kolya Krassotkin
    @Percy Gryce

    Didn't get the memo? The Chicoms are the new villain du jour.

    Reports of Xi Jin Ping (or Winnie the Pooh) spotted torching buildings throughout the city have been coming in since last night.

    Replies: @Anon, @SunBakedSuburb

    “The Chicoms are the new villain du jour.”

    The Chicoms and their American elite allies are the new villains du jour. But Hollywood rejects this idea.

  66. A reporter asked the Gov about white supremacists; it wasn’t the Gov’s idea. The Gov said something and then went to the cartels.

    I wouldn’t be surprised. That was some high-level arson.

    Carlos Osweda on Twitter thinks it’s Iran. I wouldn’t be surprised at that. Iran funds Hezbollah. Remember the shut-down Project Cassandra (https://www.politico.com/interactives/2017/obama-hezbollah-drug-trafficking-investigation/)?

  67. @Percy Gryce
    So narcos and Nazis were responsible? Why not Russians?

    Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin, @Johnny Smoggins

    They were. I watched the press conference and both “White Supremacists” and “Russian agents” were named several times.

    This is truly a spectacle to behold.

  68. The left blames white supremacists, the right blames antifa, and all consider blacks precious innocent victims.

  69. Why doesn’t Tim Walz speak his mind? What he’d really like to say is… “We suspect all the protesters are whites in black face, and we intend to hunt them all down and prosecute every last one for hate crimes!”

  70. What he’s really trying to say is ‘we Democrats have been fools to turn our future over to black punks and white losers, neither of whom care about this state or this country, and I’m desperately trying to get out the back door by finding a scapegoat.’

  71. anon[218] • Disclaimer says:

    As ridiculous as the charge is that white supremacists are doing the rioting, don’t underestimate it. The media can make this charge stick in people’s minds. Like the Russia hoax and Irag’s weapons of mass destruction.
    Most of the people I know still believe Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.

  72. @Dave Pinsen
    @theMann

    I didn’t see it, but wasn’t there an episode of HBO’s The Watchmen series in which white supremacists put subliminal images in movies to make blacks commit crimes? Maybe he’s thinking of something like that.

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @Federalist, @Harry Baldwin

    …wasn’t there an episode of HBO’s The Watchmen series in which white supremacists put subliminal images in movies to make blacks commit crimes?

    LOL. Because blacks don’t commit much crime on their own. I’ve never heard of this show. Is it a comedy?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Federalist

    'LOL. Because blacks don’t commit much crime on their own. I’ve never heard of this show. Is it a comedy?'

    The irony here is that blacks have indeed been egged on to commit crimes they wouldn't otherwise have committed -- but by the 'Progressive' media, not white supremacists.

  73. @Jane Plain
    @PhysicistDave

    I think Altai_2 is referring to Antifa, and their allies. These guys are willing to kill. Not just cops, but you and me.

    What they lack so far is leadership and organization. That's next on the list. If they get organized, it's curtains.

    That's the reason I dismiss that they are really CIA or FBI fronts. So far they couldn't run a two-car funeral.

    Replies: @Stealth, @PSR, @Paul Mendez, @Muggles, @PhysicistDave

    Maybe I’m being naive but I’m not too worried about them in the long run because they clearly are undisciplined (I suspect most are personally unaccomplished and lazy), untrained and – compared to conservatives – completely unarmed, for the big one.

    • Replies: @Paul Mendez
    @PSR

    You’re being naive.

    Antifa is very well organized. They have proven they can mobilize hundreds of young fighters to any part of the country. They have an infrastructure of local supporters who can provide shelter, food, supplies, local intel, medical care, legal support, even daycare.

    They have a trained cadre that understand street fighting and communications.

    Putting guns into the hands of an organization like antifa is the easy part.

    “Conservatives” are individualists. They obey authority. They don’t want a criminal record. They may own lots of guns, but they mostly want to defend family and property. They don’t like taking orders. They’re not going to travel to fight for someone else.

    Replies: @Thea

  74. @anon
    @U. Ranus


    Antifa is international, wouldn’t it be more likely a CIA goon squad?
     
    FBI. The CIA isn't allowed to operate domestically, and it originated here. Almost all the coordination would be FBI, with CIA having minimal input. These letter agencies don't like other letter agencies intruding on their turf. It's FBI, maybe with some ATF help.

    COINTELPRO was a series of covert and illegal projects conducted by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) aimed at surveilling, infiltrating, discrediting, and disrupting American political organizations.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO
     

    Replies: @Federalist, @Geschrei

    The CIA isn’t allowed to operate domestically,

    Good Lord.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Federalist

    The CIA isn’t allowed to operate domestically

    I guess John Brennan didn't get the memo.

  75. White supremecist groups, huh? So, Governor Walz thinks it’s the FBI and the SPLC?

    I thought the white supremecists were mostly hunkered down in their COVID-bunkers, because of Carl Schmitt or something.

  76. • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @MEH 0910


    It’s ANTIFA and the Radical Left. Don’t lay the blame on others!
     
    That's what the Governor said-- white supremacists!
  77. anon[148] • Disclaimer says:
    @PhysicistDave
    I watched the whole of Walz's press conference.

    It consisted largely of admitting that his guys were badly outnumbered and he had no idea what to do.

    Perhaps not the best message to send to the enemy.

    He and his colleagues talked in military terms. Once he used the term "insurrection."

    Here is what he should have said:

    "We would like to avoid further loss of life. But this is an insurrection against the people of Minnesota. I am giving orders to the Guardsmen to shoot to kill as many of the insurrectionists tomorrow as necessary to save the city of Minneapolis. It is the choice of the insurrectionists. They will leave or they will die."

    Might actually be the best way to minimize the number of deaths. If he meant it.

    Replies: @Altai, @Buzz Mohawk, @VinnyVette, @Anon, @anon, @anon

    I watched the whole of Walz’s press conference.
    It consisted largely of admitting that his guys were badly outnumbered and he had no idea what to do.

    Thanks for watching that.

    Perhaps not the best message to send to the enemy.

    What enemy? The rioters and looters part of Walz’s electoral base, not enemies.

    • Agree: Buffalo Joe
  78. @anon
    @U. Ranus


    Antifa is international, wouldn’t it be more likely a CIA goon squad?
     
    FBI. The CIA isn't allowed to operate domestically, and it originated here. Almost all the coordination would be FBI, with CIA having minimal input. These letter agencies don't like other letter agencies intruding on their turf. It's FBI, maybe with some ATF help.

    COINTELPRO was a series of covert and illegal projects conducted by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) aimed at surveilling, infiltrating, discrediting, and disrupting American political organizations.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO
     

    Replies: @Federalist, @Geschrei

    The CIA isn’t allowed to operate domestically

    Yes, and thank goodness we can rest assured that the CIA always does everything “by the book”.

  79. Tim Walz struck me as arrogant when he was in Congress, but that seems to have served him well. He was a high school teacher before he went into politics. When it looked like he was going to lose his seat, he ran for governor.

  80. @Altai
    Just like those two guys in MAGA hats in the polar vortex with a noose in Chicago to lynch an obscure actor, the obvious place for an organised group of white supremacists is in the middle of a black ghetto during a mass protest of mostly young men in Minneapolis during a national lockdown, the day of the protests, in order to turn them violent.

    I mean, obviously.

    This reminds me of the time a reporter asked Hilary Clinton if the explosion in NYC was actually done by Putin to help Trump. To Clinton's credit, she did give the young woman a look of horror for putting her in such a situation and shock for there being people dumb enough to not understand the anti-Putin stuff was neocon propaganda asking questions on TV to a presidential candidate.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    in the middle of a black ghetto

    It’s not a black ghetto. Not even close. Powderhorn (“Powderkeg”?) and Philips are highly diverse neighborhoods. They belong to everybody, and thus belong to nobody.

    The tragedy of the commons!

    (The real black ghetto is in North Minneapolis. What’s been going on up there?)

  81. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1266528799228694530

    Replies: @Mike_from_SGV, @Buffalo Joe, @Forbes, @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid, @suicidal_canadian, @Hypnotoad666, @Harry Baldwin

    Dear Liz, fighting a social construct would be like shadow boxing, just a good, sweaty work out where you can’t get hurt unless you throw out your shoulder or something. And POC are fighting racism alone because they see it everywhere, even when it doesn’t exist.

  82. While allowing some of the most vile, racist propaganda through moderation, you censor my benign, in comparison, posts. Who are you protecting, Sailer/UNZ? If you’re going to be an agent of racial propaganda, why are you pretending to be something else? Put on your big boy pants!

    • Troll: suicidal_canadian
  83. @Jack D
    @Jane Plain


    He’s a limited man, out of ideas.
    ...
    So he says dumb shit like “it’s white supremacists.”
     
    Telling outrageous lies like that requires thought too. Why did he blame "white supremacists" instead of Antifa (closer to the truth)? No enemies on the Left.

    He's not out of ideas, he's just out of ideas that are appealing to his base. That's a whole different thing.

    BTW, since these are white supremacists (who as we all know, deserve to die) why can't he issue "shoot on sight" orders for them?

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Jane Plain

    BTW, since these are white supremacists (who as we all know, deserve to die) why can’t he issue “shoot on sight” orders for them?

    If they really were, perhaps he would. But since it’s BS propaganda, he wouldn’t dare put it to the test.

  84. I watched some of Walz’s press conference and I thought that if I were the cops’ attornies I would demand a change of venue, to another state. His constant use of the term “Murder” and “Murderer” is amazing because if the roles were reversed Floyd would be the “alleged” suspect regardless of what you saw on video. Now famous Dr. Baden has been hired to perform a second autopsy on Floyd. I am willing to bet, as it now stands before Baden can stir the shit, that Floyd died from something other than asphyxiation. Secondly, mayor Frey used the same terminology as Walz, so there must be a script. And what fun to watch the sign language interpreter.

  85. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1266760009872007171

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    It’s ANTIFA and the Radical Left. Don’t lay the blame on others!

    That’s what the Governor said– white supremacists!

  86. @Altai
    Meanwhile, some of the protestors have begun to stop burning down black neighbourhoods. This was in Uptown, a mostly white area.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZgXZdhdOtI

    So far it's just burning barricades, but it only takes one guy to make it escalate.

    Replies: @Forbes

    Love the chyron in the video clip.

    When help is needed, “Military police is ready to deploy within 4 hours.”

    Comforting. They can roast marshmallows over the remaining embers.

  87. @PSR
    @Jane Plain

    Maybe I'm being naive but I'm not too worried about them in the long run because they clearly are undisciplined (I suspect most are personally unaccomplished and lazy), untrained and - compared to conservatives - completely unarmed, for the big one.

    Replies: @Paul Mendez

    You’re being naive.

    Antifa is very well organized. They have proven they can mobilize hundreds of young fighters to any part of the country. They have an infrastructure of local supporters who can provide shelter, food, supplies, local intel, medical care, legal support, even daycare.

    They have a trained cadre that understand street fighting and communications.

    Putting guns into the hands of an organization like antifa is the easy part.

    “Conservatives” are individualists. They obey authority. They don’t want a criminal record. They may own lots of guns, but they mostly want to defend family and property. They don’t like taking orders. They’re not going to travel to fight for someone else.

    • Replies: @Thea
    @Paul Mendez

    I agree that they can get pretty far right now. They have momentum and a sense that they are superheroes fighting the good fight. They have lots of slutty groupie women, even attractive ones, who claim to be fighters. The guys are viewed like Che in his heyday.

    The general public may tire of antifah and force them out like the Colombians did with Escobar eventually. But I could see them gaining a foothold.

    They remind me a lot of FARC.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

  88. @Thea
    Can’t one of these tech geniuses invent a device that allows police to immobilize a suspect from a safe distance?

    Replies: @VinnyVette

    Can’t one of these tech geniuses invent a device that allows police to immobilize a suspect from a safe distance?

    I believe they have, it’s called a Taser.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @VinnyVette



    Can’t one of these tech geniuses invent a device that allows police to immobilize a suspect from a safe distance?
     
    I believe they have, it’s called a Taser.
     
    If I had the contract, I'd mount a taser on a drone. Then just sit back at the station and play first person shooter.

    But cops seem to like doing things the old fashioned way. Probably 'cuz it generates more overtime.

    Replies: @HEL

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @VinnyVette


    I believe they have, it’s called a Taser.
     
    If the cops had Tazed Floyd, he probably still would have died from a heart attack.
    , @Thea
    @VinnyVette

    But those kill people sometimes. Maybe they can be made less lethal.

  89. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1266528799228694530

    Replies: @Mike_from_SGV, @Buffalo Joe, @Forbes, @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid, @suicidal_canadian, @Hypnotoad666, @Harry Baldwin

    White Americans must ask ourselves…

    So Liz is White now?? No more Cherokee Woman? No longer a POC? 1/1024 not enough to sustain the grandmother had to elope out of disgrace ethnic heritage story? What happened?

    But pray listen to her pearls of wisdom and words of advice because she’s trustworthy and has integrity.

  90. @Anonymous
    On a somewhat related note, the late, great celebrated Enoch Powell MP made his famous 'Rivers of Blood' as he watched, dismayed, the scenes of rioting in the USA of 1968.

    As he predicted, Britain was soon a victim of the same phenomenon - last scene in London 2011. Almost always such riots are triggered off by the police killing a black person in somewhat heated circumstances. As sure as night follows day, black revenge sets in with everything 'white' being a target. Doubtless it will happen in the UK again again and again.

    Such is the character and proclivity of blacks. They will *always* but *always* find themselves in these situations and afterwards lash out in anger against whites in general.

    There is only one solution and one solution only.

    The very very few white nations now existing, must, for their own survival put an absolute ban and prohibition on all black immigration. Period. No quibbling. No exceptions. No 'humanitarian' cases.

    Of course, The Economist magazine rabidly shrieks for unlimited black immigration into white nations. The only problem is that the dumb bastard gullible western political class/Deep State follow The Economist like sheep.

    Now you all know why I have an implacable hatred, anger and contempt towards The Economist.

    Replies: @Hugo Silva

    Blacks are Gessler’s Cap of the modern West ruling class, as long as you show deference to the Blacks the ruling class knows you are not a threat their power.

  91. @Stealth
    I'm a cynical misanthrope, and I've been around long enough at this point that it's hard to surprise me, but the governor of Minnesota blaming the riots on white supremacists is something I really wasn't expecting. The Russians, maybe, but not the Klan.

    Replies: @tanabear, @VinnyVette, @Dr. X, @Forbes

    Walz omitted blaming the Lutherans–you know they had to be in on it in Minnesota. Nothing happens in Minnesota without Lutheran involvement…

  92. @Jane Plain
    @PhysicistDave

    I think Altai_2 is referring to Antifa, and their allies. These guys are willing to kill. Not just cops, but you and me.

    What they lack so far is leadership and organization. That's next on the list. If they get organized, it's curtains.

    That's the reason I dismiss that they are really CIA or FBI fronts. So far they couldn't run a two-car funeral.

    Replies: @Stealth, @PSR, @Paul Mendez, @Muggles, @PhysicistDave

    You have it backwards. Antifa is very well organized.

    It’s the CIA and the FBI who can’t organize a two-car funeral.

  93. For days on 4chan anons have talked trash about being agent provacateurs etc. Probably 99.9% big talk, but I suspect someone somewhere put it into practice. Regardless, these posts are probably what the hysterical useless governer is referencing.

    Maybe if they actually arrested some people the courts could sort it all out.

  94. @anon
    Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz says he suspects white supremacist groups and drug cartels are carrying out some of the violence in Minneapolis, but cannot confirm it at this time.

    Desperate deflection is not a pretty sight. Perhaps someone could get a bowl full of Xanax for the Governor, the mayor and their staffs?

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Reg Cæsar, @415 reasons, @Hypnotoad666

    Perhaps someone could get a bowl full of Xanax for the Governor, the mayor and their staffs?

    Whatever happened to that Northwest “flight attendant” who dosed a colicky toddler with Xanax in her juice box? He was summarily fired, but where is he now?

    (By the way, his only punishment was– I’m not making this up– a period of lockdown.)

    Reports don’t mention whether the Xanax was his own or the airline’s. If the latter, perhaps Delta held on to NWA’s Xanax supply after the “merger”. MSP was Northwest’s HQ.

  95. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1266528799228694530

    Replies: @Mike_from_SGV, @Buffalo Joe, @Forbes, @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid, @suicidal_canadian, @Hypnotoad666, @Harry Baldwin

    Morning prayer:

    “Heavenly Father, thank you for this gift of a new day.
    Thank you for my family, and the love they bring into my life.
    Thank you for sending your Son, my Redeemer, to ease my daily burdens.
    And what can my cracker self do today to dismantle systemic racism?
    In Jesus’ name I pray…”

  96. @Federalist
    @Dave Pinsen


    ...wasn’t there an episode of HBO’s The Watchmen series in which white supremacists put subliminal images in movies to make blacks commit crimes?
     
    LOL. Because blacks don't commit much crime on their own. I've never heard of this show. Is it a comedy?

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘LOL. Because blacks don’t commit much crime on their own. I’ve never heard of this show. Is it a comedy?’

    The irony here is that blacks have indeed been egged on to commit crimes they wouldn’t otherwise have committed — but by the ‘Progressive’ media, not white supremacists.

  97. “they have received information from national sources about white supremacists”

    “National sources”: They’re not sources at all; they’re the SPLC and the ADL.

  98. @anon
    Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz says he suspects white supremacist groups and drug cartels are carrying out some of the violence in Minneapolis, but cannot confirm it at this time.

    Desperate deflection is not a pretty sight. Perhaps someone could get a bowl full of Xanax for the Governor, the mayor and their staffs?

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Reg Cæsar, @415 reasons, @Hypnotoad666

    Sure I think they just looted the Whittier Clinic Pharmacy, shouldn’t be a problem

  99. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1266528799228694530

    Replies: @Mike_from_SGV, @Buffalo Joe, @Forbes, @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid, @suicidal_canadian, @Hypnotoad666, @Harry Baldwin

    We whites have a responsibility to be anti-racist. I thought she got some sort of diversity scholarship for being native American? This seems like a new version of hello fellow white people.

  100. @anon
    Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz says he suspects white supremacist groups and drug cartels are carrying out some of the violence in Minneapolis, but cannot confirm it at this time.

    Desperate deflection is not a pretty sight. Perhaps someone could get a bowl full of Xanax for the Governor, the mayor and their staffs?

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Reg Cæsar, @415 reasons, @Hypnotoad666

    There were “some very fine people” there.

  101. But… but… but… Blumpf says it’s Antifa!

    Whatever, either way, the most important thing in America is always to blame whitey, any whitey, for everything, no matter what your lying eyes tell you.

  102. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1266528799228694530

    Replies: @Mike_from_SGV, @Buffalo Joe, @Forbes, @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid, @suicidal_canadian, @Hypnotoad666, @Harry Baldwin

    The idea that communities of color alone are responsible for fighting racism is misguided . . .

    I think she means whites are supposed to help rioters of color burn their own neighborhoods down.

  103. @Neuday
    @Bucky


    All the build the wall crap made little sense when you contrast Chicano behavior versus black behavior.

    It was political correctness from the right.
     

    I wouldn't call it political correctness; rather, it's not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. Blacks are about 13-15% of the population, which is manageable. America in the 70's was pretty good. Letting in 100's of millions from the Southern border vastly increased social spending and Democrat power and decreased quality of life (c.f. California).

    With immigration enforcement America could handle the black underclass and afford a level of dem programs. Without that enforcement, as we have seen, it all turns to crap. Just because you have 40 million 85 IQ people is no reason to let in 200 million 92 IQ who will undercut the labor cost of Blacks and working-class Whites and vastly expand costs for social services.

    A nation run by people who loved it would never have passed Hart-Cellar. Instead of importing Mexicans to pick crops, wages would have risen to the point of becoming attractive jobs to Blacks and working-class or young Whites. I worked in a fruit packing shed between my Junior and Senior years in High School, long ago, and made decent money for hard work, but there were only a handful of Whites; nearly everyone was Mexican. Maybe our elites didn't like the optics of Blacks picking crops, but it would've been better for all of us if they had, even if lettuce cost 15¢ more a head. Blacks can work, but welfare and immigration made it so many didn't have to, and now we have what we have.

    Replies: @Bucky

    Without Hart-Cellar blacks would not be 13-15% of the population.

    They would be 30-40%.

    The Mexicans and other post 1965 immigrants also contributed mightily to American power in various ways.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Bucky

    They would be 30-40%.

    Math isn't your subject.

    Replies: @Bucky

  104. @VinnyVette
    @Thea

    Can’t one of these tech geniuses invent a device that allows police to immobilize a suspect from a safe distance?

    I believe they have, it's called a Taser.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Jim Don Bob, @Thea

    Can’t one of these tech geniuses invent a device that allows police to immobilize a suspect from a safe distance?

    I believe they have, it’s called a Taser.

    If I had the contract, I’d mount a taser on a drone. Then just sit back at the station and play first person shooter.

    But cops seem to like doing things the old fashioned way. Probably ‘cuz it generates more overtime.

    • Replies: @HEL
    @Hypnotoad666


    If I had the contract, I’d mount a taser on a drone. Then just sit back at the station and play first person shooter.

    But cops seem to like doing things the old fashioned way. Probably ‘cuz it generates more overtime.

     

    Tasers seem to have gone out of fashion somewhat, just like certain chokeholds before. Tasers do kill people too of course. There seems to be a treadmill when it comes to non-fatal police tactics. The reality is when it comes to completely subduing violent, crazy, and intoxicated individuals there is no definitely safe way to do it. We don't have a switch you just hit to reboot and then everything comes back online good as new. So you just cycle through new protocols one after another. But none of them ever totally works.

    Replies: @Jane Plain

  105. @JosephB
    From the murder complaint for the officer who was kneeling on the victim's neck (emphasis added):

    The full report of the ME is pending but the ME has made the following preliminary findings. The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.
     
    I'm not a legal expert, but this feels more like manslaughter. If he isn't convicted of murder, things will be much bloodier than they are now.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    I’m not a legal expert, but this feels more like manslaughter.

    The cop is charged with Murder 3, just like the Somali cop who shot the White Aussie lady.

    Maybe Jack D can give us an explanation of the different levels of murder.

    • Replies: @JosephB
    @Jim Don Bob


    The cop is charged with Murder 3, just like the Somali cop who shot the White Aussie lady.
     
    I agree that's what he's charged with, I'm just not sure what a jury will decide given the lack of direct cause. A gunshot is harder to argue with.
  106. @VinnyVette
    @Thea

    Can’t one of these tech geniuses invent a device that allows police to immobilize a suspect from a safe distance?

    I believe they have, it's called a Taser.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Jim Don Bob, @Thea

    I believe they have, it’s called a Taser.

    If the cops had Tazed Floyd, he probably still would have died from a heart attack.

  107. Obviously, Minneapolis has been largely burned down, due to a neo-Nazi conspiracy hatched in the fever swamps of perfidious Moscow. I mean, what other other option is there?!?

  108. @Jane Plain
    @PhysicistDave

    I think Altai_2 is referring to Antifa, and their allies. These guys are willing to kill. Not just cops, but you and me.

    What they lack so far is leadership and organization. That's next on the list. If they get organized, it's curtains.

    That's the reason I dismiss that they are really CIA or FBI fronts. So far they couldn't run a two-car funeral.

    Replies: @Stealth, @PSR, @Paul Mendez, @Muggles, @PhysicistDave

    >>That’s the reason I dismiss that they are really CIA or FBI fronts. So far they couldn’t run a two-car funeral.<<

    So that's incompetence when the FBI/CIA/NSA all outsourced Russiagate to the UK MI5 "retireee" who created/purchased black disinfo on Trump (Moscow hookers, etc.) and lined up third hand snitches about overheard conversations with various Russians and turned it into a three year circus. The Mueller Investigation. Sideshow being the Ukrainegate that was supposed to end in Trump's impeachment? That just used moles and snitches ready to retire to CNN.

    Not such a sideshow of incompetence. Instead a classic black op to smear an opponent, something the CIA has done for decades. The FBI has never left the secret police game either. NSA is just Big Brother/Sister in the sky for everyone! Third nation cutouts, etc. Routine stuff.

    As to antifa, probably just riddled with informants, not being led. Too much career ending risk for leading a black op like that in the US. Instead just have eyes/ears on them and possibly encourage things along. Maybe a number of foreign spook hooks inside antifa. Lots of petty criminals looking for deals there too, as snitches, etc. Someday books will be written…

  109. @Anon
    @PhysicistDave

    The media has been fastidious about using the terms protestors and demonstrators. MSNBC’s Ali Velshi said they were not unruly (while a building was burning behind him). Therefore any force used by police and Nat’l Guard will be seen as excessive, and the person issuing the orders will be vilified.

    I'm not sure I’d do anything different if I were in Walz’s or Frey’s shoes. Compared to other riots in the past what is going on in Minneapolis pales in comparison and will peter out by itself.

    Replies: @JG

    You obviously have not seen Minneapolis first hand today. I would not want to see the other side of pales if true. Most of South Minneapolis buisness districts are leveled. I biked through today, absolutly shocking to this midwesterner.

  110. @Jim Don Bob
    @JosephB


    I’m not a legal expert, but this feels more like manslaughter.
     
    The cop is charged with Murder 3, just like the Somali cop who shot the White Aussie lady.

    Maybe Jack D can give us an explanation of the different levels of murder.

    Replies: @JosephB

    The cop is charged with Murder 3, just like the Somali cop who shot the White Aussie lady.

    I agree that’s what he’s charged with, I’m just not sure what a jury will decide given the lack of direct cause. A gunshot is harder to argue with.

  111. HEL says:
    @Hypnotoad666
    @VinnyVette



    Can’t one of these tech geniuses invent a device that allows police to immobilize a suspect from a safe distance?
     
    I believe they have, it’s called a Taser.
     
    If I had the contract, I'd mount a taser on a drone. Then just sit back at the station and play first person shooter.

    But cops seem to like doing things the old fashioned way. Probably 'cuz it generates more overtime.

    Replies: @HEL

    If I had the contract, I’d mount a taser on a drone. Then just sit back at the station and play first person shooter.

    But cops seem to like doing things the old fashioned way. Probably ‘cuz it generates more overtime.

    Tasers seem to have gone out of fashion somewhat, just like certain chokeholds before. Tasers do kill people too of course. There seems to be a treadmill when it comes to non-fatal police tactics. The reality is when it comes to completely subduing violent, crazy, and intoxicated individuals there is no definitely safe way to do it. We don’t have a switch you just hit to reboot and then everything comes back online good as new. So you just cycle through new protocols one after another. But none of them ever totally works.

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    @HEL

    The Chinese have a thing where they immobilize someone with what looks like a broomstick with pincers at the end. It looks combination horrible and funny, but really, it's quite humane compared to tasering, or shooting.

    It's an intelligent solution to a tough problem - immobilizing a crazy person - and therefore would never be used here because it looks so bad.

  112. @Bucky
    @Neuday

    Without Hart-Cellar blacks would not be 13-15% of the population.

    They would be 30-40%.

    The Mexicans and other post 1965 immigrants also contributed mightily to American power in various ways.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    They would be 30-40%.

    Math isn’t your subject.

    • Replies: @Bucky
    @Art Deco

    What do you calculate?

    Replies: @Art Deco

  113. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1266528799228694530

    Replies: @Mike_from_SGV, @Buffalo Joe, @Forbes, @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid, @suicidal_canadian, @Hypnotoad666, @Harry Baldwin

    Liz should demonstrate her commitment to dismantling systemic racism by going to the nearest Target and tossing a brick through a window.

  114. @Dave Pinsen
    @theMann

    I didn’t see it, but wasn’t there an episode of HBO’s The Watchmen series in which white supremacists put subliminal images in movies to make blacks commit crimes? Maybe he’s thinking of something like that.

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @Federalist, @Harry Baldwin

    Your theory makes sense. Why would blacks behave in a way that validates the most negative racist stereotypes unless white supremacists were somehow making them do it?

  115. @Federalist
    @anon


    The CIA isn’t allowed to operate domestically,
     
    Good Lord.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    The CIA isn’t allowed to operate domestically

    I guess John Brennan didn’t get the memo.

  116. @VinnyVette
    @Thea

    Can’t one of these tech geniuses invent a device that allows police to immobilize a suspect from a safe distance?

    I believe they have, it's called a Taser.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Jim Don Bob, @Thea

    But those kill people sometimes. Maybe they can be made less lethal.

  117. Thea says:
    @Paul Mendez
    @PSR

    You’re being naive.

    Antifa is very well organized. They have proven they can mobilize hundreds of young fighters to any part of the country. They have an infrastructure of local supporters who can provide shelter, food, supplies, local intel, medical care, legal support, even daycare.

    They have a trained cadre that understand street fighting and communications.

    Putting guns into the hands of an organization like antifa is the easy part.

    “Conservatives” are individualists. They obey authority. They don’t want a criminal record. They may own lots of guns, but they mostly want to defend family and property. They don’t like taking orders. They’re not going to travel to fight for someone else.

    Replies: @Thea

    I agree that they can get pretty far right now. They have momentum and a sense that they are superheroes fighting the good fight. They have lots of slutty groupie women, even attractive ones, who claim to be fighters. The guys are viewed like Che in his heyday.

    The general public may tire of antifah and force them out like the Colombians did with Escobar eventually. But I could see them gaining a foothold.

    They remind me a lot of FARC.

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    @Thea

    They also have lots of rogue, federal judges behind them.

  118. @Jane Plain
    @PhysicistDave

    I think Altai_2 is referring to Antifa, and their allies. These guys are willing to kill. Not just cops, but you and me.

    What they lack so far is leadership and organization. That's next on the list. If they get organized, it's curtains.

    That's the reason I dismiss that they are really CIA or FBI fronts. So far they couldn't run a two-car funeral.

    Replies: @Stealth, @PSR, @Paul Mendez, @Muggles, @PhysicistDave

    Jane Plain wrote to me:

    I think Altai_2 is referring to Antifa, and their allies. These guys are willing to kill. Not just cops, but you and me.

    Of course.

    Bring it on — the US military vs. antifa.

    How long will the battle last? Twenty minutes?

    The only reason any antifa are still alive is that the US elite are either on their sides or cowards.

    • Agree: Nicholas Stix
    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    @PhysicistDave

    Bring it on — the US military vs. antifa.

    How long will the battle last? Twenty minutes?


    Ten.

    The only reason any antifa are still alive is that the US elite are either on their sides or cowards.

    Amazingly, I've seen videos where fellow-demonstrating blacks beat the shit out of them.

  119. @Thea
    @Paul Mendez

    I agree that they can get pretty far right now. They have momentum and a sense that they are superheroes fighting the good fight. They have lots of slutty groupie women, even attractive ones, who claim to be fighters. The guys are viewed like Che in his heyday.

    The general public may tire of antifah and force them out like the Colombians did with Escobar eventually. But I could see them gaining a foothold.

    They remind me a lot of FARC.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

    They also have lots of rogue, federal judges behind them.

  120. @Anon
    @Kolya Krassotkin

    Yeah, the only people pushing the ‘Putin is responsible for Minneapolis’ are GOP neocon operatives.


    “I've studied Russian information warfare for years. Promoting racial division hoping it leads to violence was a Soviet objective, picked up by Putin's regime. Constant element of their active measures against the US. Goal is to see more of what's happening in Minneapolis.”

    Ron Nehring (Presidential spox for @TedCruz in ‘16. Senior advisor in ‘18. CAGOP chairman, RNC member 2007-11. Almost CA Lt. Gov. in ‘14. Former state/local official).

    https://mobile.twitter.com/RonNehring/status/1266409670094155776?s=20
     

    Replies: @Wernermagnus

    Well he is partially correct. If you take Soviet to mean Jewish…

  121. D’you think it dawned on this clown even once that, as he’s desperately tap-dancing until he can spot an opening to wedge in the word “Putin”, 100 million or so people are shaking their heads with various degrees of dissatisfaction, now firmly convinced that the only chance their country, their kids and their painstakingly-planned retirement has just to survive another four years is with a second term for Trump? And that’s including all the disillusioned conservatives? However close it may have seemed once, the overnight creation of a brand-new bloc of swing voters – the kind who emerge when major cities are burned and looted with complete impunity – has wrapped this one up early: so, unless Soros orders his army of “organized-crime white supremos” to attack every paleface within 500 yards of a polling place on November 3rd – after distributing pre-written REPUBLICANS PLOTTING BOOGALOO SURPRISE ‘news items’ to their friends in the Fourth Estate – we’re all stuck with Orange Man for another four years.

    The real question, as well as the only Boogaloo Surprise I’m concerned with, is if America can hope to survive another four years of the media – social and otherwise.

  122. Open Borders,Diversity those liberal run collages Obama and the Democrats and all the rest of the liberal policies

  123. @Art Deco
    @Bucky

    They would be 30-40%.

    Math isn't your subject.

    Replies: @Bucky

    What do you calculate?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Bucky

    About 17%.

  124. @PhysicistDave
    @Jane Plain

    Jane Plain wrote to me:


    I think Altai_2 is referring to Antifa, and their allies. These guys are willing to kill. Not just cops, but you and me.
     
    Of course.

    Bring it on -- the US military vs. antifa.

    How long will the battle last? Twenty minutes?

    The only reason any antifa are still alive is that the US elite are either on their sides or cowards.

    Replies: @Jane Plain

    Bring it on — the US military vs. antifa.

    How long will the battle last? Twenty minutes?

    Ten.

    The only reason any antifa are still alive is that the US elite are either on their sides or cowards.

    Amazingly, I’ve seen videos where fellow-demonstrating blacks beat the shit out of them.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
  125. @HEL
    @Hypnotoad666


    If I had the contract, I’d mount a taser on a drone. Then just sit back at the station and play first person shooter.

    But cops seem to like doing things the old fashioned way. Probably ‘cuz it generates more overtime.

     

    Tasers seem to have gone out of fashion somewhat, just like certain chokeholds before. Tasers do kill people too of course. There seems to be a treadmill when it comes to non-fatal police tactics. The reality is when it comes to completely subduing violent, crazy, and intoxicated individuals there is no definitely safe way to do it. We don't have a switch you just hit to reboot and then everything comes back online good as new. So you just cycle through new protocols one after another. But none of them ever totally works.

    Replies: @Jane Plain

    The Chinese have a thing where they immobilize someone with what looks like a broomstick with pincers at the end. It looks combination horrible and funny, but really, it’s quite humane compared to tasering, or shooting.

    It’s an intelligent solution to a tough problem – immobilizing a crazy person – and therefore would never be used here because it looks so bad.

  126. @Jack D
    @Jane Plain


    He’s a limited man, out of ideas.
    ...
    So he says dumb shit like “it’s white supremacists.”
     
    Telling outrageous lies like that requires thought too. Why did he blame "white supremacists" instead of Antifa (closer to the truth)? No enemies on the Left.

    He's not out of ideas, he's just out of ideas that are appealing to his base. That's a whole different thing.

    BTW, since these are white supremacists (who as we all know, deserve to die) why can't he issue "shoot on sight" orders for them?

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Jane Plain

    Everybody’s out of ideas, including your boy, Trump, who actually thought that courting chaos would help his re-election.

  127. @Bucky
    @Art Deco

    What do you calculate?

    Replies: @Art Deco

    About 17%.

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