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From the St. Cloud (Minnesota) Times:

Dayton blunt in MN forum: Anyone who can’t accept immigrants ‘should find another state’
By Vicki Ikeogu / St. Cloud Times on Oct 13, 2015 at 9:32 p.m.

ST. CLOUD — Harsh words and heartfelt sentiment were exchanged by community members and local officials on racial issues in Central Minnesota at the St. Cloud NAACP Community Conversation with Gov. Mark Dayton.

Who is Mark Dayton? From Wikipedia:

Mark Brandt Dayton (born January 26, 1947) is an American politician and the current and 40th Governor of Minnesota, serving since 2011.[1] He was previously a United States Senator for Minnesota from 2001 to 2007, and the Minnesota State Auditor from 1991 to 1995. He is a member of the Minnesota Democratic–Farmer–Labor Party (DFL), which affiliates with the national Democratic Party.

A native of Minnesota, Dayton is the great-grandson of businessman George Dayton, the founder of Dayton’s, a department store that later became the Target Corporation. He embarked on a career in teaching and social work in New York City and Boston after graduating from Yale University in 1969.[2] During the 1970s, he served as a legislative aide to U.S. Senator Walter Mondale and Minnesota Governor Rudy Perpich. In 1978, Dayton was appointed the Minnesota Economic Development Commissioner and married Alida Rockefeller Messinger, a member of the Rockefeller family.[2]

Back to the St. Cloud Times:

From the start of the event, Dayton bluntly stated his opinions on the racial tension in St. Cloud and across the state in regards to immigration.

“Look around you. This is Minnesota,” Dayton said. “Minnesota is not like it was 30, 50 years ago. … This is Minnesota and you have every right to be here. And anybody who cannot accept your right to be here, and this is Minnesota, should find another state.”

Dayton said he was aware of some of the racial issues happening in the St. Cloud area and urged participants to take a stand against what he described as “unacceptable, un-Minnesotan, illegal and immoral” behavior.

“If you are that intolerant, if you are that much of a racist or a bigot, then find another state. Find a state where the minority population is 1 percent or whatever.

Gov. Dayton did not provide a list of such states. Even Bernie Sanders’ Vermont is well above that level.

“It’s not that in Minnesota. It’s not going to be again. It’s not going to be that in St. Cloud, or Rochester or Worthington,” Dayton said.

Anderson suspects many of the issues of racial intolerance in St. Cloud have stemmed from those outside the community.

“A lot of the tensions that we have in the community are stirred up by people who aren’t stakeholders. They’re not from here. They don’t care what happens here. And they are usually incorrect,” Anderson said.

Outside agitators!

But those comments did not stop several in the audience from questioning how the governor, Knoblach and Kleis are spending tax dollars on new immigrants, particularly those of East African descent.

Dayton said many organizations are providing assistance to those who are arriving in Minnesota. But he said the key reason many immigrants choose to come to Minnesota is because of the jobs Minnesota provides.

“Our economy cannot expand based on white, B+, Minnesota-born citizens. We don’t have enough,” Dayton said.

And don’t get the Governor of Minnesota started on white, C+, Minnesota-born citizens. Why are they even allowed to exist? (I mean other than to to consume a lot of crap sold by the Dayton-Rockefeller family businesses, Target and ExxonMobil?)

But seriously, how can Target sell more toilet paper without Minnesota taxpayers paying to import the surplus population of the Mad Max zones of the Horn of Africa? Think about it! Haven’t you studied demographics!

As you know, the governor swears an oath to uphold The Economy, to help The Economy be all it can be. If the current B+ population of Minnesota isn’t living up to The Economy’s needs, then it’s governor’s legal obligation to do something about the current population. Maybe it needs to be vibrantized with some A+ people from East Africa. If some of the white, B+, Minnesota-born citizens don’t like the governor doing what needs to be done to maximize toilet paper and gasoline sales, they can move to some state that’s only 1% minority. The important thing is: Think of The Economy.

 
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  1. Who could imagine that they would freak out in Minnesota?

    • Replies: @ganderson
    @larry lurker

    It can't happen here, I'm telling you my dear...

    , @njguy73
    @larry lurker

    "Ya think ya can accept the immigrants, ya think? No need to get snippy."

  2. “Outside agitators!”

    That just underlines Dayton’s point about the labor shortage in Minnesota. They even have to import the agitators who are leading the demonstrations against the immigrants.

    • Agree: Vendetta
    • Replies: @Olorin
    @tbraton

    Doing the jobs that native Minnesotans won't do, eh?

    I liked this:

    "people who aren’t stakeholders. They’re not from here."

    Erm, not referring to the Somalis, I presume.

    The lefty doublethink in the Upper Midwest gets ever more psychotropic. On the one hand, it's OK for them to have a closed society that "people who aren't stakeholders" (as defined by whom exactly?) have no say in.

    But don't ask for that in, say, Mississippi.

  3. Minnesotans know how to pick them.

  4. Someone should ask the filthy rich, born-into-wealth, Yale-educated (probably a BA in sociology) faux prole Mark Brandt Dayton, what percent of the populations of his block, his immediate neighborhood, and his ZIP Code Area are drawn from the vibrantly diverse scum that he wants to impose on all those Minnesotans not wealthy enough, as he is, to afford places of refuge from his thoughtless “policies”. OTOH, as Mencken once wrote, democracy is that form of government where the people get exactly what they want — good and hard. Some majority of the citizens of Minnesota elected this sad relic of the ’60s; to office again and again and again. Now both their more innocent fellow citizens and they must pay the full price for their pigheaded stupidity.

    • Replies: @Louis Renault
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    He's the son of the founder of the company that became Target. You can have a very comfortable life being a spend and spend Democrat when you're born rich.

    , @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    It seems he grew up in Long Lake, MN, which, horridly, is over 90% white (latest numbers), so it was probably more awfully white when he grew up there... poor guy. He had to play hockey, which plagued him through his years at Yale, since in Long Lake he was deprived of access to cricket, soccer, and flaming tire-necklacing...

    Replies: @whorefinder

    , @Olorin
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    I owe a debt personally to Mark Dayton: he apprised me by his mere existence some 25 years ago that the farm labor Democrats were NOT who they claimed to be. Saved me a lot of heartache and poor career choices.

    The most information on his net worth I could find was from when he was still in the Senate in 2006:

    http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/summary.php?cid=N00013291&year=2006
    http://pfds.opensecrets.org/N00013291_2006_Term.pdf

    Looks like his biggest stock holdings at the time were Citigroup, Target, GE, US Bank, and Wells Fargo. Held in a massive inherited family trust.

    Loved his official list of occupations at FTM:

    http://www.followthemoney.org/entity-details?eid=1481007&default=

    Am I reading correctly that he got a million dollars from Minnesota's Future in his run for governor? (A future that is apparently only 20 percent native Minnesotan.):

    http://www.minnesotasfuture.net/

    Those of you fortunate enough not to know him might find his positions of interest:
    http://ballotpedia.org/Mark_Dayton

    He is as good a poster child for the open borders crowd as I can imagine. Presbyterian, hating his own roots, super rich and supported by stock market speculation, born with a silver spoon, never employed doing anything productive (nor working with actual diverse human people), and knowing better than the rest of us what's good for the orderly, productive rank and file of the north. I guess that all fits with the view of humans as fully fungible carbon units, blank slates who can be inscribed with whatever the Mark Daytons of the world wish.

    That or he's stinking rich AND stinking mad. The two frequently go together.

    , @anon
    @Jus' Sayin'...


    Some majority of the citizens of Minnesota elected this sad relic of the ’60s; to office again and again and again. Now both their more innocent fellow citizens and they must pay the full price for their pigheaded stupidity.
     
    The media lie about the problems.

    If the media told the truth there would still be a minority who refused to believe it but everyone in the middle would vote for immigration restriction.

    If the media told the truth.
  5. Yes, to be ready for the 21st century, Minnesota needs thousands of Somalians whose education consists of rote memorization of the Koran and instruction in the use and maintenance of an AK-47. Those B+ whites just won’t cut it anymore. I mean, unless they’re gay or transgender.

    • Replies: @Hail
    @anonymous


    Minnesota needs thousands of Somalians whose education consists of rote memorization of the Koran and instruction in the use and maintenance of an AK-47
     
    Real or imagined (or hyperbolic) Somali dysfunction is not, ought not be, the real issue.

    Maintaining a Minnesota firmly rooted in Western Civilization, ethnoculturally, is a wholly goal legitimate in and of itself and needs no apology or "proxy justification".

    The Upper Midwest developed a distinct regional culture, largely rural, based heavily on the Americanization and "West"ernization (as in the frontier American West) of Scandinavian and German settlers of the 1800s. This ethnoculture cannot survive if it is swamped by Africans and Asians, to state the obvious.

    In other words, even if Somalis were model citizens, we still don't want them colonizing our country. We wish them luck in their own country.

    Replies: @anonymous

  6. One wonders how this person could ever be elected by those B+ or C+ voters of MN. With the usual tolerance of the elites, only his point of view is tolerated. All others are immoral said this progressive pope of the people.

    Progs never learn, change or care. They are rarely held accountable but, in this case, if the voters have any cojones, he should be recalled and returned private service.

  7. Power Line Blog recently published an interesting article about the claim that Minnesota (governed by a Democrat) has a better economy than similar Wisconsin (governed by a Republican).

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/10/minnesota-vs-wisconsin-does-the-progressive-paradise-win.php

    One of the comments under the article was especially interesting.

    John Webster:

    I grew up in Wisconsin and lived there for 29 years; I’ve lived in Minnesota for almost 29 years. My first career was as a federal bank examiner, and I traveled extensively throughout both states, where I got much more than a layman’s feel for the relative economies.

    MN has outperformed WI economically for at least 25 years for structural reasons unrelated to whomever controls state government. WI was always much more dependent than MN on mass production manufacturing and other heavy industry. Those sectors of the economy have downsized all over America because of automation and shifting production to low wage countries. It was inevitable that unemployment in WI would come to be higher than in MN, which had a different industrial base. In addition, MN benefits from having its major metro area geographically isolated – there is no other major metro within 300 miles. Milwaukee is a short drive from Chicago, and the two metro areas are adjacent. Minneapolis/St. Paul is a regional center for medical care, education, culture/entertainment, shopping, air transportation, etc. Milwaukee has to compete in those areas with Chicago, and the much bigger Chicago wins hands down.

    The flawed reasoning here results from taking a snapshot analysis of these states’ economies. MN is outperforming WI economically; the current Governor of MN is a Democrat; ergo Democratic policies have produced this superior economy. However, WI had a Democratic Governor from 2003-2011 (Jim Doyle) at the same time MN had a Republican Governor (Tim Pawlenty). The MN economy was noticeably healthier than the WI economy during those eight years – for STRUCTURAL reasons cited above.

    Professional economists across the political spectrum groan at the simpleminded reasoning that most journalists and the public give to these kinds of issues. The reality is far more complex.

  8. Can anybody confirm that Mark Dayton may be desperately mentally ill? There was some discussion at the voxday site about him needing a whole staff to keep him going and coherent?

    • Replies: @Alice
    @fish

    Dayton's brothers all were respected businesen in town. Mark was the only one who couldn't manage that. So he went into politics.

    In 2009, he admitted he was an alcoholic who was treated for "depression", though many indicate it's bipolar, what used to be called manic depression.
    http://m.startribune.com/politics/statelocal/80168257.html

    When he was senator in 2004, he caused a local stir when he closed his DC office and sent his staff home to MN after hearing a nat sec briefing by the FBI/CIA. It was the same briefing everyone else heard, and it listed possible threat scenarios.

    No one else reacted by being scared witless. Just him. The TNR piece is devastating.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A28030-2004Oct12.html

    http://www.newrepublic.com/article/politics/magazine/77869/eeyore-governor

    He isn't weird by MN governor standards. Prior governors have included Jesse the Body Ventura and Rudy Perpich, who would disappear and state troopers couldn't find him.

    Replies: @Mike

    , @eddy
    @fish

    Dayton's countenance suggests that he is on, or needs, anti-depressant or anti-anxiety medications.

    He is a typical 1960's rebel with daddy issues -- hence the diametric contrast with his businessman father.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  9. When I read such comments, I always wonder what future historians will make of this time. I feel that they will have a very hard time believing that whites were this insane. They will read the speeches and look at the policies and imagine that they’re missing something, that no people would do this to themselves, so there must be another explanation.

    For that matter, do the Chinese watch the West in wonderment? Do their leaders sit back and laugh at the folly of their competition? If I was China, I wouldn’t do anything to provoke the West. What’s the point? Just wait another generation or two, and the U.S. will be Brazil – and Brazil isn’t going to get in the way of China.

    A Dayton marries a Rockefeller and then finds a way to look down on middle-class whites for wanting to keep their communities intact and safe. Classic.

    • Replies: @Bleuteaux
    @Citizen of a Silly Country


    Just wait another generation or two, and the U.S. will be Brazil – and Brazil isn’t going to get in the way of China.
     
    Are you sure the future is Brazil? I know that's a theme here. I'm not so sure. I've been to Brazil for work and work with a lot of Brazilians. I know the favelas and the City of God and all, but there are also upsides to being Brazil. Ridiculously beautiful women who actually take care of their health and bodies, a culture of barbecue, plentiful sunshine.

    No, I think the future is India. Iron-clad caste systems and 80% of the country (or whatever) living in pure filth, with most of the culture wrapped up in paganism and the worship of imaginary gods like cows or whatever.

    I'm being partly facetious, but I do think the future is more-so India than Brazil.
    , @anonymous
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Well said. The elite's disdain for core, historic American is jarring. Talk about punching down.

    , @Bill
    @Citizen of a Silly Country


    They will read the speeches and look at the policies and imagine that they’re missing something, that no people would do this to themselves, so there must be another explanation.
     
    We should refer those historians to this page.
    , @ben tillman
    @Citizen of a Silly Country


    They will read the speeches and look at the policies and imagine that they’re missing something, that no people would do this to themselves, so there must be another explanation.
     
    There is another explanation, and thanks to Pasteur and Koch they would probably know what it is.
  10. Dayton has no problems with Somalis moving to his neighbourhood and going to school with his grandchildren

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Greg

    He'll have problems if any of those grandchildren are queer. Their new neighbors haven't drunk the Kool-Aid yet, and likely never will.

    Replies: @Alice

  11. These elites are really getting vicious lately. I spend a lot of time around average white people, and they’re noticing.

    The woman who just gave me a haircut sounded like she’d been reading iSteve and paying close attention (i.e. she was no caricature of a dumb redneck, but surprisingly well-informed about real estate trends in Southern California and how they are driven by immigration and different populations).

    • Replies: @anon
    @Bill P

    Good for her (no sarcasm). Bet you she has a husband/boyfriend/father/brother who opines on such topics.

  12. The irony is that Dayton probably coasted through prep school and Yale with gentleman’s Cs.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous


    The irony is that Dayton probably coasted through prep school and Yale with gentleman’s Cs.

     

    In 2006, Time chose Dayton as one of five worst US Senators.
  13. And to think only a week has passed since Columbus, I mean “Indigenous Peoples”, Day. Nothing says “Indigenous Minnesotan” quite like a Somali passport and a sheaf of benefits request forms.

  14. Mark Brandt Dayton:

    Badman tyrant dork.
    Darn, Kmart bad, Tony.
    Drat! Bonny Kmart ad.
    Odd bank man rat try.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Mark Brandt Dayton:

    Badman tyrant dork.

    OK, that's pretty good.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Clyde, @Anonymous, @Desiderius

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Hippopotamusdrome =

    A pomp-hued impostor
    Homo aids Trump, Pope

  15. … this is Minnesota … find another state.

    This guy’s arrogance is incredible. He talks like he’s the king of Minnesota, not an elected official.

    But those comments did not stop several in the audience from questioning how the governor, Knoblach and Kleis are spending tax dollars on new immigrants, particularly those of East African descent. Dayton said many organizations are providing assistance to those who are arriving in Minnesota.

    And I suppose it’s just a meaningless coincidence that the executive directors of these organizations (people who skim their salaries off the tops of the various donations and grants directed to their organizations) are drawn from the same Yale/DFS set as the governor and others after his kind?

    And why is it a crime when someone who runs a garbage company gets a fixed city contract, but not when a guy who ships peasants from one country to another for a living does essentially the same thing?

    Is there some kind of bidding process by which charities can compete to ruin their host communities for slightly less money than the competition?

  16. iSteveFan says:

    So you don’t have enough B+ whites and resort to importing the equivalent of F- whites in the form of East Africans to fill the void. That surely makes no sense. At least with some in the HBD world they advocate replacing those B+ whites with A+/- NE Asians.

    Why doesn’t he just advocate for bringing in the lowest whites from the rest of the country? Surely there are enough of them to make the importation of East Africans unnecessary.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @iSteveFan

    For the sake of technological progress, I'd rather they replace the whites with Somalians than with Asians. More Asians = more whites displaced from elite universities = less technological progress.

    I'd rather have Somalians collecting welfare in MN than Asians "doing research" at Harvard.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @tbraton

    , @JimmyDeeOC
    @iSteveFan

    A point I was going to mention. Dayton might have an argument (help grow the economy) if the immigrants were named Park, Lee, Hwang, and even a few Nguyens.

    But effin' SOMALIANS? They are Stone-Agers like Afghans and even more ill-tempered. Hard in the running for the Worst People on Earth.......... It's regional suicide to bring more of these a-holes in!

  17. @tbraton
    "Outside agitators!"

    That just underlines Dayton's point about the labor shortage in Minnesota. They even have to import the agitators who are leading the demonstrations against the immigrants.

    Replies: @Olorin

    Doing the jobs that native Minnesotans won’t do, eh?

    I liked this:

    “people who aren’t stakeholders. They’re not from here.”

    Erm, not referring to the Somalis, I presume.

    The lefty doublethink in the Upper Midwest gets ever more psychotropic. On the one hand, it’s OK for them to have a closed society that “people who aren’t stakeholders” (as defined by whom exactly?) have no say in.

    But don’t ask for that in, say, Mississippi.

  18. @Jus' Sayin'...
    Someone should ask the filthy rich, born-into-wealth, Yale-educated (probably a BA in sociology) faux prole Mark Brandt Dayton, what percent of the populations of his block, his immediate neighborhood, and his ZIP Code Area are drawn from the vibrantly diverse scum that he wants to impose on all those Minnesotans not wealthy enough, as he is, to afford places of refuge from his thoughtless "policies". OTOH, as Mencken once wrote, democracy is that form of government where the people get exactly what they want -- good and hard. Some majority of the citizens of Minnesota elected this sad relic of the '60s; to office again and again and again. Now both their more innocent fellow citizens and they must pay the full price for their pigheaded stupidity.

    Replies: @Louis Renault, @Je Suis Charlie Martel, @Olorin, @anon

    He’s the son of the founder of the company that became Target. You can have a very comfortable life being a spend and spend Democrat when you’re born rich.

  19. Wait, what state is this? I forget. He needs to remind me one more time what state this is.

  20. But he said the key reason many immigrants choose to come to Minnesota is because of the jobs Minnesota provides… “Our economy cannot expand based on white, B+, Minnesota-born citizens. We don’t have enough,” Dayton said.

    Are these “immigrants” even doing useful work? What, driving taxis? A job quickly being erased by Uber et al. I seriously doubt any economic growth is coming from this added mass of humanity, but there is no window where we can go and get our money back.

  21. Worth noting the reporter for that piece is an Igbo. Interesting how they come to align with black and moslem interests in America, when they are usually for decentralization, anti-Islam, and autonomy in Africa.

    • Replies: @BurplesonAFB
    @Hokie

    The dems get them trained up young. It's not even just those interests you mentioned, they also side with hispanics and even illegal immigrant hispanics who are going to compete with them for entry level jobs.

  22. @Jus' Sayin'...
    Someone should ask the filthy rich, born-into-wealth, Yale-educated (probably a BA in sociology) faux prole Mark Brandt Dayton, what percent of the populations of his block, his immediate neighborhood, and his ZIP Code Area are drawn from the vibrantly diverse scum that he wants to impose on all those Minnesotans not wealthy enough, as he is, to afford places of refuge from his thoughtless "policies". OTOH, as Mencken once wrote, democracy is that form of government where the people get exactly what they want -- good and hard. Some majority of the citizens of Minnesota elected this sad relic of the '60s; to office again and again and again. Now both their more innocent fellow citizens and they must pay the full price for their pigheaded stupidity.

    Replies: @Louis Renault, @Je Suis Charlie Martel, @Olorin, @anon

    It seems he grew up in Long Lake, MN, which, horridly, is over 90% white (latest numbers), so it was probably more awfully white when he grew up there… poor guy. He had to play hockey, which plagued him through his years at Yale, since in Long Lake he was deprived of access to cricket, soccer, and flaming tire-necklacing…

    • Replies: @whorefinder
    @Je Suis Charlie Martel


    since in Long Lake he was deprived of access to cricket, soccer, and flaming tire-necklacing…
     
    Ya know, I actually feel bad that he was deprived of all of those things.

    Replies: @pyrrhus

  23. @iSteveFan
    So you don't have enough B+ whites and resort to importing the equivalent of F- whites in the form of East Africans to fill the void. That surely makes no sense. At least with some in the HBD world they advocate replacing those B+ whites with A+/- NE Asians.

    Why doesn't he just advocate for bringing in the lowest whites from the rest of the country? Surely there are enough of them to make the importation of East Africans unnecessary.

    Replies: @anonymous, @JimmyDeeOC

    For the sake of technological progress, I’d rather they replace the whites with Somalians than with Asians. More Asians = more whites displaced from elite universities = less technological progress.

    I’d rather have Somalians collecting welfare in MN than Asians “doing research” at Harvard.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @anonymous

    Somalians are moochers.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    , @tbraton
    @anonymous

    I could do without either. After all, we are now a nation of roughly 330 million, the third highest population in the world after China and India. Our population in 1940 was a mere 132 million, virtually all of whom spoke English (as Pat Buchanan likes to point out), and we succeeded in fighting WWII on two fronts, one of which we won basically alone. I don't understand the compelling need to bring in more and more foreigners to satisfy our (supposed) economic needs. If all immigration were shut off, the economy would have to adjust to that changed circumstance, just as it has always done in responding to major change, regardless of the form it takes. With respect to Minnesota, I have a cousin who was laid off from her teaching position in Florida as a result of cutbacks forced by the recent economic falloff and moved to Minnesota to seek employment in her field. When I saw her at a funeral a few years ago, she was still waiting for an offer to come through, but I have heard that subsequently one did.

  24. They do have elections, right? They did elect this execrable fool, right? They need to suffer until they learn how to spot an arrogant, clueless, pampered slave to the latest god-awful ideological fashion accessories of the holier-than-thou contingent. White people do this shit to themselves. It’s absolutely disgusting.

  25. @Hippopotamusdrome
    Mark Brandt Dayton:

    Badman tyrant dork.
    Darn, Kmart bad, Tony.
    Drat! Bonny Kmart ad.
    Odd bank man rat try.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Reg Cæsar

    Mark Brandt Dayton:

    Badman tyrant dork.

    OK, that’s pretty good.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer

    Yeah, two weeks and a hundred or more anagrams, and he-- actually, his software-- finally gets a good one in. Too bad anagram programs can't select for quality, because too many users can't either.

    , @Clyde
    @Steve Sailer

    Anagrams for: Mark Brandt Dayton

    Badman Tyrant Dork
    Armband Rad Knotty
    Armband Tardy Knot...
    http://wordsmith.org/anagram/anagram.cgi?anagram=Mark+Brandt+Dayton&t=1000&a=n

    , @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    How about this one:

    Mark Brandt Dayton

    Mother Fucking Cocksucker

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Steven Austen

    , @Desiderius
    @Steve Sailer

    I've been reading Macauley on the reign of James II. His imperious stupidity and obsession with importing Roman Catholics into England to change its polity reminds me of Dayton (and some other prog leaders of our time). The Tory elites in the established church and government loved James as long as he was trashing the law to go after the formerly powerful Whigs.

    Once he started promoting Roman Catholics over Tories though, it didn't take long for them to turn on him and invite in William and Mary.

    So keep an eye out for big D donor demographics feeling the bite.

    Replies: @Sunbeam, @Hibernian

  26. @Jus' Sayin'...
    Someone should ask the filthy rich, born-into-wealth, Yale-educated (probably a BA in sociology) faux prole Mark Brandt Dayton, what percent of the populations of his block, his immediate neighborhood, and his ZIP Code Area are drawn from the vibrantly diverse scum that he wants to impose on all those Minnesotans not wealthy enough, as he is, to afford places of refuge from his thoughtless "policies". OTOH, as Mencken once wrote, democracy is that form of government where the people get exactly what they want -- good and hard. Some majority of the citizens of Minnesota elected this sad relic of the '60s; to office again and again and again. Now both their more innocent fellow citizens and they must pay the full price for their pigheaded stupidity.

    Replies: @Louis Renault, @Je Suis Charlie Martel, @Olorin, @anon

    I owe a debt personally to Mark Dayton: he apprised me by his mere existence some 25 years ago that the farm labor Democrats were NOT who they claimed to be. Saved me a lot of heartache and poor career choices.

    The most information on his net worth I could find was from when he was still in the Senate in 2006:

    http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/summary.php?cid=N00013291&year=2006
    http://pfds.opensecrets.org/N00013291_2006_Term.pdf

    Looks like his biggest stock holdings at the time were Citigroup, Target, GE, US Bank, and Wells Fargo. Held in a massive inherited family trust.

    Loved his official list of occupations at FTM:

    http://www.followthemoney.org/entity-details?eid=1481007&default=

    Am I reading correctly that he got a million dollars from Minnesota’s Future in his run for governor? (A future that is apparently only 20 percent native Minnesotan.):

    http://www.minnesotasfuture.net/

    Those of you fortunate enough not to know him might find his positions of interest:
    http://ballotpedia.org/Mark_Dayton

    He is as good a poster child for the open borders crowd as I can imagine. Presbyterian, hating his own roots, super rich and supported by stock market speculation, born with a silver spoon, never employed doing anything productive (nor working with actual diverse human people), and knowing better than the rest of us what’s good for the orderly, productive rank and file of the north. I guess that all fits with the view of humans as fully fungible carbon units, blank slates who can be inscribed with whatever the Mark Daytons of the world wish.

    That or he’s stinking rich AND stinking mad. The two frequently go together.

  27. @iSteveFan
    So you don't have enough B+ whites and resort to importing the equivalent of F- whites in the form of East Africans to fill the void. That surely makes no sense. At least with some in the HBD world they advocate replacing those B+ whites with A+/- NE Asians.

    Why doesn't he just advocate for bringing in the lowest whites from the rest of the country? Surely there are enough of them to make the importation of East Africans unnecessary.

    Replies: @anonymous, @JimmyDeeOC

    A point I was going to mention. Dayton might have an argument (help grow the economy) if the immigrants were named Park, Lee, Hwang, and even a few Nguyens.

    But effin’ SOMALIANS? They are Stone-Agers like Afghans and even more ill-tempered. Hard in the running for the Worst People on Earth………. It’s regional suicide to bring more of these a-holes in!

  28. Close your eyes and think of the economy!

  29. It’s like they believe that doubling down on stupid will make it work better.

    This reminds me of that wacky conspiracy theory that all elected officials and powerbrokers are secretly lizard people underneath and aren’t human. They are instead lizard people-aliens out to enslave us.

    The more they talk like this, the more the lizard folks’ theory doesn’t sound so crazy.

    • Replies: @Bill
    @whorefinder

    Metaphors: what are they really?

  30. @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    It seems he grew up in Long Lake, MN, which, horridly, is over 90% white (latest numbers), so it was probably more awfully white when he grew up there... poor guy. He had to play hockey, which plagued him through his years at Yale, since in Long Lake he was deprived of access to cricket, soccer, and flaming tire-necklacing...

    Replies: @whorefinder

    since in Long Lake he was deprived of access to cricket, soccer, and flaming tire-necklacing…

    Ya know, I actually feel bad that he was deprived of all of those things.

    • Replies: @pyrrhus
    @whorefinder

    There is still time for Dayton to experience those valuable things....

  31. But seriously, how can Target sell more toilet paper without Minnesota taxpayers paying to import the surplus population of the Mad Max zones of the Horn of Africa? Think about it! Haven’t you studied demographics!

    It’s appalling just how much low-human capital immigration is driven by corporations simply looking to expand the consumer base. It’s the other side of the low wages impulse. They lower their labor costs and high-breeding third worlders buy more Huggies destined for landfills. It’s the baby shit economy. Just as the cost of their insourced low wage earners is socialized, so is the cost of these new consumers. It’s hard to tell where the stupid ends and the sinister begins.
    But the “not even from around here” line is supposed to be ours (the “xenophobes”); I mean, as far as I can tell, the Somalians are a long way from “around here”. Does this guy have a clue about the irony of that? But of course it’s all just who, whom, forever.

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @let it burn
    @Dennis Dale

    @It’s the baby shit economy

    crapitalism!

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @Dennis Dale

    Take a look at the stock chart for Wal-Mart when you have a chance (symbol: WMT). Last week, the stock dropped 10% in one day after the company announced that it expected earnings to be weak for the the next few years. Maybe the poverty retail business model is running out of steam.

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @Dennis Dale

    Great comment. "It’s hard to tell where the stupid ends and the sinister begins" would go well on a t-shirt.

    , @Lovernios X
    @Dennis Dale


    But of course it’s all just who, whom, forever.
     
    I was going to say it's who, whom all the way down.

    Replies: @Dennis Dale

  32. Like I just said in the other thread, the unforgivable crime of white residents is not spending enough on big screen TV’s at Minnesota’s Best Buys and jeans at Minnesota’s Targets. For their crime they must be replaced by residents who will behave better.

  33. Same over here.

    Southland (AKA Redneck Central) is NZ’s richest province in spite of the fact that all the high-paid government jobs are in Wellington and all the big companies have the head offices in Auckland. Southland also has a god-awful climate and dairy prices are low.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/72699448/southland-earnings-highest-in-new-zealand

    The highest school grades are in almost equally un-diverse Otago. Apparently this is a bad thing because all the kids will turn out like Dylan Roof. Is Dylan Roof’s home state really so homogeneous?

    http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/350237/white-flight-blights-tomorrows-schools

    Bogans aren’t as bad as they’re made out to be.

    • Replies: @Paco Wové
    @22pp22

    Re that second article: Do white New Zealanders normally refer to themselves as "Pakeha", or is that just an affectation of holier-than-thou lefties (like the "Dr. Gordon" quoted)? I ask because I have run into wet churchy types who kept referring to their country as "Aotearoa", but I've never met sane-seeming kiwis who did that.

    Replies: @22pp22

    , @Kevin O'Keeffe
    @22pp22

    "The highest school grades are in almost equally un-diverse Otago. Apparently this is a bad thing because all the kids will turn out like Dylan Roof. Is Dylan Roof’s home state really so homogeneous?"

    On the contrary, Dylan Roof was raised in South Carolina, one of the Blackest states in the Union, and was living in a majority-Black town at the time he committed his crimes.

  34. Looking at someone like Dayton, you get the impression that great wealth (especially if it’s inherited) isolates you from the consequences of your actions in a way that ordinary people can’t grasp.

    • Replies: @rod1963
    @Rob McX

    Yeah look at Gates, Ellison, Zuckerberg, the Google founders, all open borders and H1-B supporters.

    The super rich seem to be manifestly hostile to Western civilization.

    , @Olorin
    @Rob McX

    Jim Hightower liked to say of GW Bush that he was born on third base thinking he'd hit a triple.

  35. Minnesota Gov. Dayton’s remarks are 190 proof plutocratic/oligarchic elitism. They have the virtue of brutal honesty, though.

    Way back, I was fortunate enough to have gone to a very selective university. In retrospect, I think some of the scions of wealth who were my classmates were psychologically and intellectually crippled by their good fortune, so that sentiments such as Gov. Dayton’s probably seem enlightened to them. Gov. Dayton’s thinking seems dangerous to me, but, as Steve dolefully reminds, dangerous thinking and dangerous policies rule the day.

    I’ve noted in a blog comment elsewhere that it’s my pet theory that the Nazi debacle of 1945 has pretty much ruled out an effective “Euro-nationalist” politics in the States for those of European stock, although politics of racial or nationalist solidarity are permitted to others.

  36. The schools in some of these smaller towns with meat packing operations like Worthington have been overwhelmed with the demographic change. Worthington has a population of just under 13,000 and 29% of residents are foreign born. Dayton is flat out telling them he doesn’t care and most of the teachers will still turn around vote the Democratic ticket.

    It’s interesting Dayton was challenged like this at a NAACP event. Might be a sign of more fraying of the coalition of the fringes.

  37. my family has never lived anywhere else since europe but boy am i becoming cynical fast.

    yesterday a dozen or so overfed muslim-african mammies, FOB, ululated on the street in front of my parents suburban house (ie the one I grew up in) in some kind of improvised pre-worship ritual. what business they had doing that in a residential neighborhood i have no clue, but i suspect they have no concept of such boundaries. what business they have anywhere in this country, let alone our desolate northern clime, is obviously far harder to explain. even my super-liberal father, prior mark dayton supporter, had something to say about that one. the whole operation put a bit of a mental damper on an otherwise beautiful and productive fall day, it did.

    then today steve alerts me to this story and points out there’s nowhere to turn. thanks buddy!

  38. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    When I read such comments, I always wonder what future historians will make of this time. I feel that they will have a very hard time believing that whites were this insane. They will read the speeches and look at the policies and imagine that they're missing something, that no people would do this to themselves, so there must be another explanation.

    For that matter, do the Chinese watch the West in wonderment? Do their leaders sit back and laugh at the folly of their competition? If I was China, I wouldn't do anything to provoke the West. What's the point? Just wait another generation or two, and the U.S. will be Brazil - and Brazil isn't going to get in the way of China.

    A Dayton marries a Rockefeller and then finds a way to look down on middle-class whites for wanting to keep their communities intact and safe. Classic.

    Replies: @Bleuteaux, @anonymous, @Bill, @ben tillman

    Just wait another generation or two, and the U.S. will be Brazil – and Brazil isn’t going to get in the way of China.

    Are you sure the future is Brazil? I know that’s a theme here. I’m not so sure. I’ve been to Brazil for work and work with a lot of Brazilians. I know the favelas and the City of God and all, but there are also upsides to being Brazil. Ridiculously beautiful women who actually take care of their health and bodies, a culture of barbecue, plentiful sunshine.

    No, I think the future is India. Iron-clad caste systems and 80% of the country (or whatever) living in pure filth, with most of the culture wrapped up in paganism and the worship of imaginary gods like cows or whatever.

    I’m being partly facetious, but I do think the future is more-so India than Brazil.

    • Agree: Bill
  39. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Is the “B+” a reference to brain drain? There has been a significant brain drain of whites from flyover states into the coasts and major metro areas for the past couple generations that has left many rural communities and small towns in a depressed state. But there’s no sign that Dayton et al even care about revitalizing these areas let alone their immigration and other policies doing anything of the sort.

  40. Gotta give the guy credit, he’s engaging in Real Talk and telling his taxpaying constituents where his sympathies lie, and it ain’t with them. It will be interesting to see how Minnesotans react–they’re very politically correct and phlegmatic and Nordic and all that, but everyone has a breaking point. I think.

  41. @anonymous
    @iSteveFan

    For the sake of technological progress, I'd rather they replace the whites with Somalians than with Asians. More Asians = more whites displaced from elite universities = less technological progress.

    I'd rather have Somalians collecting welfare in MN than Asians "doing research" at Harvard.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @tbraton

    Somalians are moochers.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @JohnnyWalker123

    "Somalians are moochers."

    That's a little unfair, isn't it? They are also terrorists and pirates.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  42. “Our economy cannot expand based on white, B+, Minnesota-born citizens. We don’t have enough,” Dayton said.

    As I’ve always said, economic factors drive immigration more than anything else.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @JohnnyWalker123

    If you actually take politicians' lines at face value, you may be naive. As we learned from Andrew Neather, there is a lot more going on in the leftist mind than concern for the economy.

    , @oh its just me
    @JohnnyWalker123

    It at the same time they preach glbabal warming and saving the environment,

    Actually, notice how really preserving the environment has taken a back seat, well actually, it's not even part of the. Lefts platform anymore

  43. @Bill P
    These elites are really getting vicious lately. I spend a lot of time around average white people, and they're noticing.

    The woman who just gave me a haircut sounded like she'd been reading iSteve and paying close attention (i.e. she was no caricature of a dumb redneck, but surprisingly well-informed about real estate trends in Southern California and how they are driven by immigration and different populations).

    Replies: @anon

    Good for her (no sarcasm). Bet you she has a husband/boyfriend/father/brother who opines on such topics.

  44. @Dennis Dale
    But seriously, how can Target sell more toilet paper without Minnesota taxpayers paying to import the surplus population of the Mad Max zones of the Horn of Africa? Think about it! Haven’t you studied demographics!

    It's appalling just how much low-human capital immigration is driven by corporations simply looking to expand the consumer base. It's the other side of the low wages impulse. They lower their labor costs and high-breeding third worlders buy more Huggies destined for landfills. It's the baby shit economy. Just as the cost of their insourced low wage earners is socialized, so is the cost of these new consumers. It's hard to tell where the stupid ends and the sinister begins.
    But the "not even from around here" line is supposed to be ours (the "xenophobes"); I mean, as far as I can tell, the Somalians are a long way from "around here". Does this guy have a clue about the irony of that? But of course it's all just who, whom, forever.

    Replies: @let it burn, @Dave Pinsen, @Harry Baldwin, @Lovernios X

    @It’s the baby shit economy

    crapitalism!

  45. The problem is in part that organic exponential growth by whites is not fast enough to suit property developers, as there is an 18 year gap between a birth and need for a new domicile. Maybe if new humans could be bred to mature in 5 years that would be an acceptable compromise. But a 40yo developer does not want to wait until his 60s in order to see growth and profit for his developments.

    I wonder what the demographics (numbers, donations, industry) of the donor class are? I am not talking about rich people per se but those wealthy people who actually donate to campaigns. At each level, e.g. president, house and senate, state. This would be classic Sailer type analysis. Understanding that is the key to understanding who, what and why the politicians are being driven the way they are.

    My guess is that frequently the biggest obstacle a developer faces is the government in approving a development, so developers become adept at lobbying to remove these impediments. And from there they start influencing in a general fashion – how can I grow my business? (This basic need does not occur in many other businesses. E.g. if I write computer software, lobbying the government will not generally do anything for my business.)

    When no one calls these traitors on their treason, they become more and more shameless and treacherous.

  46. @Hokie
    Worth noting the reporter for that piece is an Igbo. Interesting how they come to align with black and moslem interests in America, when they are usually for decentralization, anti-Islam, and autonomy in Africa.

    Replies: @BurplesonAFB

    The dems get them trained up young. It’s not even just those interests you mentioned, they also side with hispanics and even illegal immigrant hispanics who are going to compete with them for entry level jobs.

  47. Well, Minnesota’s economy won’t expand based on D – immigrants either.

    • Replies: @415 reasons
    @Anonymous

    Either you've never had the pleasure of going to the West Bank of the University of Minnesota in Little Mogadishu or you're grading on a curve if you give the Somalis a D-

  48. It’s rare to see the case for 80-ish IQ immigration from Africa laid out in such an eloquent and compelling fashion. I’m ashamed to think that I ever questioned the wisdom of it. And you should be too.

  49. There are definite stages to the insanity. First it’s the “we love ethnic food!” stage. Then the “sure there are problems but we were all immigrants once” stage. Then it’s the denial and denunciation stage – wreckers are upsetting the peace and harmony, the immigrants are not at all to blame. Then the “we have no choice, this is the future” stage, where Minnesota appears to be now. Then the move to the suburbs. Finally the move to Portland, before it gets too expensive.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @bjdubbs


    First it’s the “we love ethnic food!” stage.
     
    Whence comes this idea that white people can't copy foreign cuisine and do it themselves? Nobody dares suggest that non-whites can't build cars, computers, nuclear reactors, etc. that were invented by whites. But if an Englishman wants kebabs, there's nothing for it but to bring in Abdul from Pakistan, along with his two pregnant wives and extended family.
  50. Apparently the children of Lake Wobegon aren’t above average enough.

    • Agree: snorlax
  51. • Replies: @415 reasons
    @jackson


    In one set of studies, Phillips gave small groups of three people a murder mystery to solve. Some of the groups were all white and others had a nonwhite member. The diverse groups were significantly more likely to find the right answer.
     
    NPR has been converted to self parody and I just didn't get the memo right?

    Replies: @Paco Wové, @Buffalo Joe

  52. Mr. Sailer,

    I’ve noticed your sarcasm has been very biting lately (e.g. Muslim woman invents baking, Muslim student invents the clock). Keep it up! It’s funny and refreshing.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Anonymous

    I wish the absolute worst on Dayton and his family.

  53. @anonymous
    @iSteveFan

    For the sake of technological progress, I'd rather they replace the whites with Somalians than with Asians. More Asians = more whites displaced from elite universities = less technological progress.

    I'd rather have Somalians collecting welfare in MN than Asians "doing research" at Harvard.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @tbraton

    I could do without either. After all, we are now a nation of roughly 330 million, the third highest population in the world after China and India. Our population in 1940 was a mere 132 million, virtually all of whom spoke English (as Pat Buchanan likes to point out), and we succeeded in fighting WWII on two fronts, one of which we won basically alone. I don’t understand the compelling need to bring in more and more foreigners to satisfy our (supposed) economic needs. If all immigration were shut off, the economy would have to adjust to that changed circumstance, just as it has always done in responding to major change, regardless of the form it takes. With respect to Minnesota, I have a cousin who was laid off from her teaching position in Florida as a result of cutbacks forced by the recent economic falloff and moved to Minnesota to seek employment in her field. When I saw her at a funeral a few years ago, she was still waiting for an offer to come through, but I have heard that subsequently one did.

  54. The thing is, Gov. Dayton, there is no other place for immigration restrictionists to go. Indeed, a certain kind of leftist takes particular pride in finding lily-white states and towns to enrich with vibrancy. Somalis in New England: cat lady achievement unlocked!

    If there were some segment of the country currently permitted to preserve itself, I would say, “Let the Nordic suckers of Minnesota do to themselves what their kin in Europe are currently doing.” It’s sad to see mass immigration befall a peaceful, well-governed, high-trust social democracy, but at the end of the day, people should get the govt they deserve.

    What I refuse to accept is for the rest of America to get the government that Minnesotans deserve. If mass immigration is to continue, we will have to split the country into a handful of loosely confederated regions with strict internal border controls. Regions that create high-wage economies and livable communities won’t be flooded with outsiders to arbitrage away the increased quality of life that others have created. Regions that doth protest their love for diversity will end up dispossessing only themselves, if (admittedly a big if) they actually mean it and aren’t just status-signaling, self-segregating hypocrites.

    I know all this stuff sounds LARPy, but ultimately there is no meaningful self-determination without control over membership in one’s community. If that can’t be achieved at the overall level of the US it must be achieved within some subset of the US.

    Of course, ruling-class gentry liberals like Dayton aren’t interested in “live and let live” with other Americans. They know full well there’s nowhere in America that’s safe from people like themselves. Not only do they know it, they get off on that fact.

    This is the most despicable thing about Cultural Marxism. I doubt many of us mind if our fellow Americans in liberal strongholds want to indulge their silly SWPL affectations. They, on the other hand, are determined to eliminate their rival tribe as a cultural and political force.

    As Thomas Jefferson said, “We might have been a great and free people together.”

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @ABN


    “Let the Nordic suckers of Minnesota do to themselves what their kin in Europe are currently doing.” It’s sad to see mass immigration befall a peaceful, well-governed, high-trust social democracy, but at the end of the day, people should get the govt they deserve.
     
    Sometimes I feel the same, but the reality is actually more complex.

    My Norwegian relatives are climate-skeptical, pro-American free thinkers. In the European elites' Kang and Kodos system, there is nowhere for people to go and little people can do.

    My Minnesotan relatives voted for Democrats historically because it wasn't always clear that leftists would end up trying to demographically replace them. There are other issues they cared about besides immigration, especially 10,20,30 years ago.

    Just as Vermont has its flatlanders in metropolitan areas that skew Vermont politics, I suspect Minnesota has plenty of not-as-flatlanders in Minneapolis. In fact, I know some.

    The current politics in Scandinavian states is a result of different historical circumstances coming together. I can't blame them for their lack of crystal balls.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    , @Mr. Anon
    @ABN

    Indeed, the people who are in the business of importing Somalis specifically sent them to predominantly white places, like Minnesota, in order to break the white majority there. It's block-busting on a national scale.

  55. “But seriously, how can Target sell more toilet paper without Minnesota taxpayers paying to import the surplus population of the Mad Max zones of the Horn of Africa? Think about it! Haven’t you studied demographics!”

    That’s exactly why we have to be more selective about the immigrants we let in. Who would possibly want more immigrants like that Chinese woman who pooped on the grass, according to that video posted about a month ago? Think of the severe impact admitting more immigrants like that would have on Target’s toilet paper sales. There are many important economic effects we need to consider when we weigh the problem of immigration. If Target’s toilet paper sales were to go down the toilet (so to speak), the U.S. might face the real possibility of becoming a third world country.

  56. The “economics” justification is just window dressing. It’s not possible that every demographic group on the planet earth is good for the economy. If it was just about the economy, they might be influenced by reason. For example, maybe Somalis aren’t very good for the economy, when you consider crime, welfare dependency, etc.

    The real motivation is hostility to American whites born from a desire to feel morally superior to them.

    If only the elites only cared about the economy. Then you might be able to talk some sense into them.

  57. @Dennis Dale
    But seriously, how can Target sell more toilet paper without Minnesota taxpayers paying to import the surplus population of the Mad Max zones of the Horn of Africa? Think about it! Haven’t you studied demographics!

    It's appalling just how much low-human capital immigration is driven by corporations simply looking to expand the consumer base. It's the other side of the low wages impulse. They lower their labor costs and high-breeding third worlders buy more Huggies destined for landfills. It's the baby shit economy. Just as the cost of their insourced low wage earners is socialized, so is the cost of these new consumers. It's hard to tell where the stupid ends and the sinister begins.
    But the "not even from around here" line is supposed to be ours (the "xenophobes"); I mean, as far as I can tell, the Somalians are a long way from "around here". Does this guy have a clue about the irony of that? But of course it's all just who, whom, forever.

    Replies: @let it burn, @Dave Pinsen, @Harry Baldwin, @Lovernios X

    Take a look at the stock chart for Wal-Mart when you have a chance (symbol: WMT). Last week, the stock dropped 10% in one day after the company announced that it expected earnings to be weak for the the next few years. Maybe the poverty retail business model is running out of steam.

  58. @JohnnyWalker123

    “Our economy cannot expand based on white, B+, Minnesota-born citizens. We don’t have enough,” Dayton said.

     

    As I've always said, economic factors drive immigration more than anything else.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @oh its just me

    If you actually take politicians’ lines at face value, you may be naive. As we learned from Andrew Neather, there is a lot more going on in the leftist mind than concern for the economy.

  59. As long certain groups demand continuous growth that in the past has come from higher wages, more people and more spending, it seems to me we’re going to be in big trouble.

    Because most Americans are experiencing little to no wage growth in real terms or actual decreases, it looks like the only option is to bring in millions of new people which is nuts

    • Replies: @Anon
    @notsaying

    Most Americans are experiencing little wage growth BECAUSE we are flooding the market with Indians. There is perception out there that we import Indians to just code. But they don't just code, they stay and some move into middle and upper management. They take jobs from native Americans.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  60. @larry lurker
    Who could imagine that they would freak out in Minnesota?

    Replies: @ganderson, @njguy73

    It can’t happen here, I’m telling you my dear…

  61. I assume Dayton’s “B+” shiv is inspired by Tom Friedman’s 2005 “B student in Boston” riff:
    Only 30 years ago, if you had a choice of being born a B student in Boston or a genius in Bangalore or Beijing, you probably would have chosen Boston…

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/03/magazine/its-a-flat-world-after-all.html

    Once again we see a huge chasm between white liberal men who want to AMOG their male competition by branding them lazy and entitled compared to foreigners’ superior work ethic, vs. liberal women who keep gasping “I have to work full-time [because I was too good for the icky STEM provider betas], slow down the assembly line, France take me away!!”

    It’s a grudge match between liberal men who yearn for an East Asian Tiger Mom of their very own (but will recruit East Africans if that’s the only club available in the fight) vs. liberal women who pine for 2 years of maternity leave while picking grapes with Gerard.

    Or at least it should be, except Republicans completely lack the street smarts to exploit this division. So liberal-male angst is retconned toward “right-wing racists” and liberal-female angst is retconned toward “right-wing misogynists.”

  62. A leading candidate running for mayor of the German city of Cologne has been stabbed in the neck and seriously injured just a day before the elections. According to police, she was attacked because of her support for German refugee policy.

  63. There is a lot more going on here than economics. There is real hatred and hostility toward the people by the elite and these policies of ethnic cleansing are fueled far more by this than any economic incentive. Does anyone really believe that these replacements are going to improve the economy? No. We have a hostile elite motivated by hate, revenge, and a desire to humiliate us. Things are only going to get worse and a bloody civil war is on the horizon.

    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Dutchman

    Everybody always says that: A civil/ethnic war is coming. Why would you believe that?

    California is now minority white - looking a lot like what the rest of the country will look like in 50 years. Do you see whites mobilizing in California? Are there white nationalist groups rising in California? No.

    The same is true in Texas. Heck, look at South Africa. Whites are 10% of the population and gets push around and killed. Are they fighting back? No.

    I agree that it seems that there should be a civil war at some point, but there are no signs that it's coming.

    Replies: @pyrrhus

  64. This blog is addictive but also exasperating and exhausting.

    I grew up a short drive away from Burlington, so I’ve been listening to Sanders and his ilk my whole life. I always thought they were annoying, but I never experienced despair.

    But people like Bonancellor Merkel and governor tyrant dork are really horrible. They are our enemies in a very real way.

    My relatives moved to Minnesota and the Dakotas from Scandinavia and did backbreaking labor while living in shacks all through the midwest winters in order to develop farmland. White B+ Minnesotans are the posterity for which they tried to secure the blessings of liberty.

    He just needs to go. He just needs to go. But who will rid us of this troublesome tyrant dork?

  65. It really is amazing how increasingly brazen the anti-white-American rhetoric is becoming. If a Martian were to come down to Earth and see an elected politician calling his constituents a bunch of boring, low-achieving losers who need to be sacrificed on the altars of economic growth and diversity, that Martian would be utterly baffled. Why do the voters allow themselves to be abused like that?

    The answer, of course, is that public discourse in America is under strict ideological control. It’s increasingly artificial. The people with the Megaphone determine both the Narrative and the acceptable opinions the public may hold about the Narrative. They’re basically talking to themselves.

    Being so out-of-touch would normally be a problem, but the Left probably figures they’ve succeeded in the divide-and-conquer drive to elect a new people, so they don’t have to hide their contempt for their countrymen anymore.

    Maybe they have, but then again maybe they’re prematurely celebrating their victory. The artifice of the Narrative may be reaching an intolerable extent while there’s still time to pick up the pieces. I sure hope so.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @ABN


    they’ve succeeded in the divide-and-conquer drive to elect a new people, so they don’t have to hide their contempt for their countrymen anymore
     
    I think it's a little different. They haven't quite succeeded yet, but the contempt is part of a big push now to seal our fates.

    Earlier this year, Merkel was telling a Muslim girl she had to be deported. Now she's inviting lots of them not only into Germany but all of Europe. Why the change?

    Conservative parties across Europe started getting traction from the immigration issue because of African boat people. An overwhelming surge of immigrants forced onto all EU members makes demographics a fait accompli and, thus, takes away the issue underlying right-wing success, ensuring the blessings of political power for EU elites and their posterity.
    , @Hubbub
    @ABN

    "It really is amazing how increasingly brazen the anti-white-American rhetoric is becoming. If a Martian were to come down to Earth and see an elected politician calling his constituents a bunch of boring, low-achieving losers who need to be sacrificed on the altars of economic growth and diversity, that Martian would be utterly baffled. Why do the voters allow themselves to be abused like that?"

    Keep in mind to whom he is speaking - the NAACP. I doubt a largely White audience would let him get by unscathed with his remarks. He's preaching to the choir. The only problem is that the choir doesn't realize yet that it will suffer most from his agitprop. Drayton thinks that all Blacks are the same, no matter from whence they come. He thought he was preaching to the choir.

    Dumbass politician.

    , @CCR
    @ABN


    Being so out-of-touch would normally be a problem, but the Left probably figures they’ve succeeded in the divide-and-conquer drive to elect a new people, so they don’t have to hide their contempt for their countrymen anymore.
     
    It seems so, this is the fourth time this week I've heard some Leftie official say, "if you don't like these immigrants, then you are free to leave". First it was said in Germany, then the U.K., and now in Minnesota.
  66. Whites were able to build successful communities – including prosperous economies – for hundreds of years. Anyone with passing knowledge of history knows this.

    Yet now we’re told whites are incapable. that we are dependent upon immigrants. It’s almost as if the governor’s opinions are distorted by something – perhaps that something is pro-immigrant supremacism, or anti-white bigotry.

    • Replies: @fnn
    @Drake

    They´ll tell you it's because of the low white fertility rates.

  67. British journalist Rod Luddle once got in trouble for saying, “Somalis are widely admired for their strong work ethic, respect for the law and keen, piercing, intelligence.”

    I believe black Americans have the same characteristics.

  68. • Replies: @asdf
    @Popeye Goyle

    I'm kind of impressed this story has got as much coverage as it has.

    How many times do we need to tell you people - immigrants aren't criminals! (Ok, except for this one. But to be fair, he's rich and the Saudi family is friends with the Bush's, who are the worst of Frat boys. So this doesn't count.)

  69. Dayton blunt in MN forum: Anyone who can’t accept immigrants ‘should find another state’

    We will be happy to take them in Ontario. Come on up!

    • Replies: @Another Canadian
    @Another Canadian

    Uh, oh. We just elected Justin Trudeau as PM so you may want to just stay put for now.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Buffalo Joe

  70. Leftist conservative [AKA "radical_centrist"] says: • Website

    Steve Sailer wrote:
    “The governor swears an oath to the Economy to help it be all it can be. ….The important thing is: Think of the Economy.”

    ==================================

    Thanks for leading and not following.

    Can we please finally admit that mass immigration (and the multiculturalist propaganda that lubricates the mass immigration machine) is driven primarily by one thing—> the desire for economic growth among the big corporations, lobbyists, and the rich and powerful?

    Mass immigration (and multiculturalist propaganda) is not about leftism or democrat voter growth, but for the most part it is just about the economy.

    Period.

    Those in control of the human livestock operation called America always want more livestock.

    • Replies: @WowJustWow
    @Leftist conservative

    Not growth. Lower labor costs. You don't get growth by importing human capital that consumes more than it produces.

  71. @Greg
    Dayton has no problems with Somalis moving to his neighbourhood and going to school with his grandchildren

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    He’ll have problems if any of those grandchildren are queer. Their new neighbors haven’t drunk the Kool-Aid yet, and likely never will.

    • Replies: @Alice
    @Reg Cæsar

    Interesting you mention that.

    We have already got the MN state high school league imposing gender equity demands for trans students on every school.

    Currently, MN has a very aggressive org called OutFront making a coordinated assault on charter schools here. Charters are public schools not yet under the thumb of the unions.

    The big districts have already been brought to heel by 1) the Feds suing over disparate impact in discipline and 2) the gLBTetc crowd creating a lovely totalitarian "anti bullying" legislation.

    But the charters hadn't heeled. So now test families are attacking charter schools, threatening that their trans elementary school children are being discriminated against, and then demanding lgbtetc approved curriculum be used to indoctrinate the children to the acceptable viewpoint. Unsurprisingly, it's the classical charters and other patriotic schools being attacked, not the Muslim ones.

    It will be interesting when these two groups of America haters finally face off. Except we'll be gulaged by then.

  72. Dayton is a Democrat. His Republican analogue in Michigan, Rickroller Snyder, who also hails from a business background that is heavily immigrant dependent (supposedly), wants Syrians to be brought into Michigan.

    Isn’t one corporatist political party in this country enough such that we need two?

    • Replies: @Thea
    @countenance

    We have oh one party but it has two names

    Replies: @The most deplorable one

    , @Drapetomaniac
    @countenance

    Rick Snyder makes the elementary particles he's made of look stupid.

  73. @Drake
    Whites were able to build successful communities - including prosperous economies - for hundreds of years. Anyone with passing knowledge of history knows this.

    Yet now we're told whites are incapable. that we are dependent upon immigrants. It's almost as if the governor's opinions are distorted by something - perhaps that something is pro-immigrant supremacism, or anti-white bigotry.

    Replies: @fnn

    They´ll tell you it’s because of the low white fertility rates.

  74. @ABN
    The thing is, Gov. Dayton, there is no other place for immigration restrictionists to go. Indeed, a certain kind of leftist takes particular pride in finding lily-white states and towns to enrich with vibrancy. Somalis in New England: cat lady achievement unlocked!

    If there were some segment of the country currently permitted to preserve itself, I would say, "Let the Nordic suckers of Minnesota do to themselves what their kin in Europe are currently doing." It's sad to see mass immigration befall a peaceful, well-governed, high-trust social democracy, but at the end of the day, people should get the govt they deserve.

    What I refuse to accept is for the rest of America to get the government that Minnesotans deserve. If mass immigration is to continue, we will have to split the country into a handful of loosely confederated regions with strict internal border controls. Regions that create high-wage economies and livable communities won't be flooded with outsiders to arbitrage away the increased quality of life that others have created. Regions that doth protest their love for diversity will end up dispossessing only themselves, if (admittedly a big if) they actually mean it and aren't just status-signaling, self-segregating hypocrites.

    I know all this stuff sounds LARPy, but ultimately there is no meaningful self-determination without control over membership in one's community. If that can't be achieved at the overall level of the US it must be achieved within some subset of the US.

    Of course, ruling-class gentry liberals like Dayton aren't interested in "live and let live" with other Americans. They know full well there's nowhere in America that's safe from people like themselves. Not only do they know it, they get off on that fact.

    This is the most despicable thing about Cultural Marxism. I doubt many of us mind if our fellow Americans in liberal strongholds want to indulge their silly SWPL affectations. They, on the other hand, are determined to eliminate their rival tribe as a cultural and political force.

    As Thomas Jefferson said, "We might have been a great and free people together."

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Mr. Anon

    “Let the Nordic suckers of Minnesota do to themselves what their kin in Europe are currently doing.” It’s sad to see mass immigration befall a peaceful, well-governed, high-trust social democracy, but at the end of the day, people should get the govt they deserve.

    Sometimes I feel the same, but the reality is actually more complex.

    My Norwegian relatives are climate-skeptical, pro-American free thinkers. In the European elites’ Kang and Kodos system, there is nowhere for people to go and little people can do.

    My Minnesotan relatives voted for Democrats historically because it wasn’t always clear that leftists would end up trying to demographically replace them. There are other issues they cared about besides immigration, especially 10,20,30 years ago.

    Just as Vermont has its flatlanders in metropolitan areas that skew Vermont politics, I suspect Minnesota has plenty of not-as-flatlanders in Minneapolis. In fact, I know some.

    The current politics in Scandinavian states is a result of different historical circumstances coming together. I can’t blame them for their lack of crystal balls.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Chrisnonymous

    Crystal balls aren't the only kind they lack.

  75. Its not the economy stupid, or the business opportunities of flooding Minnesota with low income Somalis. They won’t be shopping at Target or buying much, and the taxes that WILL go up on corporations like Target will more than offset the paltry gains from Third World shoppers who will go to run down flea markets run by Somalis or other East Africans rather than Target. Which is obvious and which Dayton knows.

    Nope. Its Cultural Marxism. Or, rather as Steve has pointed out many times, WASP Adventurism. Dayton has tried and found wanting his own people. Too “boring,” too “B+” and thus worthy of extermination. That’s the downside of WASP out-marrying and Adventuring in Hawaii or China. Look at Mark Zuckerberg, same thing except Zuck wants to the Great White Bwana of China, even marrying a Chinese wife and making pathetic attempts at Mandarin which reportedly is unintelligble gibberish to an actual Mandarin speaker.

    Anti-White behavior is just another aspect of Adventurism. Outmarrying. A way for White people to adopt a non-White identity, to express their disdain at distant relatives.

    And as Merkel shows, it only takes one leader to flood a nation or a state with Third World so that White natives are a discriminated minority within a year. Maybe two.

    White people in this country have to be realistic. There is NO chance to turn this around, not even with Trump. Which Obama will NEVER allow (he’ll simply suspend elections and rule by decree). El Jebe will be if possible, even worse than Obama. Same with Mittens, or Rubio or any of those clowns. Someone like Paul Ryan could open the borders wide open even more so than now and get us say, 100 million Africans just to start. We ARE a minority, forever and ever, in our own lands and everyone else’s. [Ryan would do it too, he hate hate hates White people like a double dose of Avatar and Stanley Anne Dunham.]

    So absent converting to Judaism (not my taste, and Israel is not my country anyway), the only thing left to do is prepare to fight, and fight at every and all turns. What do you think the Walking Dead is REALLY about anyway? Or all those post-disaster movies? About White people in America in a few years, where we are officially third class serfs (save a lucky few who can adopt honorary non-White status).

    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
    @Whiskey

    "There is NO chance to turn this around, not even with Trump. Which Obama will NEVER allow (he’ll simply suspend elections and rule by decree)."

    I'm sorry, but if you believe that, you're living in a fantasy realm, not reality. Trump should definitely have excellent security around him (after what happened to Pim Fortuyn), but the idea Obama is going to pull a Fujimori-style "self coup," is ludicrous nonsense. Its kid stuff.

  76. @larry lurker
    Who could imagine that they would freak out in Minnesota?

    Replies: @ganderson, @njguy73

    “Ya think ya can accept the immigrants, ya think? No need to get snippy.”

  77. I understand the Ponzi schemes of government like SSI and Medicare give professional pols the idea that you need more people to pay for it. But at a loss how they sell now-working poor who add nothing as somehow a good idea. They will not add to those programs, they will simply bleed them faster. And the only modern society which has experienced a drop in population is Japan. And arguably that has not been a bad thing; less density and more resources per capita is not a bad thing. Even people on the right like Mark Steyn buy into the idea that a drop in population is a societal death spiral. And simply it’s not so. And it’s certainly better than adding a bunch of unassimilated Muslims sucking up resources and contributing nothing.

  78. What is a B+ white person?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @anonymous


    What is a B+ white person?

     

    Lake Wobegon material. All God's chillun got B+.
  79. @ABN
    It really is amazing how increasingly brazen the anti-white-American rhetoric is becoming. If a Martian were to come down to Earth and see an elected politician calling his constituents a bunch of boring, low-achieving losers who need to be sacrificed on the altars of economic growth and diversity, that Martian would be utterly baffled. Why do the voters allow themselves to be abused like that?

    The answer, of course, is that public discourse in America is under strict ideological control. It's increasingly artificial. The people with the Megaphone determine both the Narrative and the acceptable opinions the public may hold about the Narrative. They're basically talking to themselves.

    Being so out-of-touch would normally be a problem, but the Left probably figures they've succeeded in the divide-and-conquer drive to elect a new people, so they don't have to hide their contempt for their countrymen anymore.

    Maybe they have, but then again maybe they're prematurely celebrating their victory. The artifice of the Narrative may be reaching an intolerable extent while there's still time to pick up the pieces. I sure hope so.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Hubbub, @CCR

    they’ve succeeded in the divide-and-conquer drive to elect a new people, so they don’t have to hide their contempt for their countrymen anymore

    I think it’s a little different. They haven’t quite succeeded yet, but the contempt is part of a big push now to seal our fates.

    Earlier this year, Merkel was telling a Muslim girl she had to be deported. Now she’s inviting lots of them not only into Germany but all of Europe. Why the change?

    Conservative parties across Europe started getting traction from the immigration issue because of African boat people. An overwhelming surge of immigrants forced onto all EU members makes demographics a fait accompli and, thus, takes away the issue underlying right-wing success, ensuring the blessings of political power for EU elites and their posterity.

  80. Why do whites deserve anything else? Yes, it’s all about money, and in the most banal and cynical manner imaginable. Toilet paper indeed! But average whites are, by and large, emotionally and ideologically in favour of this process of demographic change and replacement. Unlike Americans, who are basically locked into a rigged two-party system controlled by oligarchs, there is more leeway for genuine democratic expression in the Commonwealth and Europe. Tonight, Canadians are likely to elect a two-time college drop-out, an imbecile who is the son of the man who imposed multiculturalism on the country. Justin Trudeau has promised to expedite more Muslims into Canada and to uphold the ‘right’ of women to veil their faces. Toronto is now a majority non-white city in the most boring way possible, yet in the few neighbourhoods where WASPs still congregate, the electoral signs on the front lawns indicate support for Trudeau or his socialist contender — not the Tories. Toronto’s few remaining white Christians are absolutely committed to being reduced to a tiny minority in a city their ancestors built. We have the rather bizarre situation where urban Jews are more right-wing than urban WASPs! Something similar can be said for Europe. Why do the Swedes deserve to live in a Swedish Sweden? The Swedes have had plenty of opportunities to vote against the socialist social engineers, but they would rather their welfare goodies than the preservation of their society. Raising children and going to work are hard! The same can be said for the French, Dutch, Brits, etc. It may not be that elections matter much in the end, but even at the level of protest all these populations, unlike Americans, have been presented with restrictionist and nationalist alternatives for years. They have repeatedly rejected them, because they prefer to live their fantasies.

    • Agree: Clyde
    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @km


    Why do whites deserve anything else? Yes, it’s all about money, and in the most banal and cynical manner imaginable. Toilet paper indeed! But average whites are, by and large, emotionally and ideologically in favour of this process of demographic change and replacement.
     
    Nothing could be further from the truth.

    Ask people: Do you believe the population of this country should be changed so that there are no white people in Canada?

    Try it, and report back to us. I would be stunned if even 1% of whites responded in the affirmative.

    Replies: @Romanian

  81. Amazing that an elected official can denigrate whites with impunity and fear no repercussions. And as a side note, most major minority US cities are producing tens of thousands of D- or less non whites….please come and take them home to the Gopher State.

  82. @Anonymous
    The irony is that Dayton probably coasted through prep school and Yale with gentleman's Cs.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The irony is that Dayton probably coasted through prep school and Yale with gentleman’s Cs.

    In 2006, Time chose Dayton as one of five worst US Senators.

  83. @fish
    Can anybody confirm that Mark Dayton may be desperately mentally ill? There was some discussion at the voxday site about him needing a whole staff to keep him going and coherent?

    Replies: @Alice, @eddy

    Dayton’s brothers all were respected businesen in town. Mark was the only one who couldn’t manage that. So he went into politics.

    In 2009, he admitted he was an alcoholic who was treated for “depression”, though many indicate it’s bipolar, what used to be called manic depression.
    http://m.startribune.com/politics/statelocal/80168257.html

    When he was senator in 2004, he caused a local stir when he closed his DC office and sent his staff home to MN after hearing a nat sec briefing by the FBI/CIA. It was the same briefing everyone else heard, and it listed possible threat scenarios.

    No one else reacted by being scared witless. Just him. The TNR piece is devastating.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A28030-2004Oct12.html

    http://www.newrepublic.com/article/politics/magazine/77869/eeyore-governor

    He isn’t weird by MN governor standards. Prior governors have included Jesse the Body Ventura and Rudy Perpich, who would disappear and state troopers couldn’t find him.

    • Replies: @Mike
    @Alice

    Heh...

    Weird governors in Minnesota...

    And their children. Rudy's daughter (google Mary Sue Perpich or Sue Perpich) tried to get me to do her homework back in college. She thought waving those boobs around was going to work for her.

    Also, Mark Dayton's brother John was a force behind one of the best restaurants to ever appear in Dallas: Routh Street Cafe. The place was the restaurant in town for ten years.

    I have one sister and her family left in Minnesota (the entire White Rock Kitchens clans was once living there). I'm going to have to check in to see how this attitude toward whites flies with her... If I remember correctly, she was a C student.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

  84. @ABN
    It really is amazing how increasingly brazen the anti-white-American rhetoric is becoming. If a Martian were to come down to Earth and see an elected politician calling his constituents a bunch of boring, low-achieving losers who need to be sacrificed on the altars of economic growth and diversity, that Martian would be utterly baffled. Why do the voters allow themselves to be abused like that?

    The answer, of course, is that public discourse in America is under strict ideological control. It's increasingly artificial. The people with the Megaphone determine both the Narrative and the acceptable opinions the public may hold about the Narrative. They're basically talking to themselves.

    Being so out-of-touch would normally be a problem, but the Left probably figures they've succeeded in the divide-and-conquer drive to elect a new people, so they don't have to hide their contempt for their countrymen anymore.

    Maybe they have, but then again maybe they're prematurely celebrating their victory. The artifice of the Narrative may be reaching an intolerable extent while there's still time to pick up the pieces. I sure hope so.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Hubbub, @CCR

    “It really is amazing how increasingly brazen the anti-white-American rhetoric is becoming. If a Martian were to come down to Earth and see an elected politician calling his constituents a bunch of boring, low-achieving losers who need to be sacrificed on the altars of economic growth and diversity, that Martian would be utterly baffled. Why do the voters allow themselves to be abused like that?”

    Keep in mind to whom he is speaking – the NAACP. I doubt a largely White audience would let him get by unscathed with his remarks. He’s preaching to the choir. The only problem is that the choir doesn’t realize yet that it will suffer most from his agitprop. Drayton thinks that all Blacks are the same, no matter from whence they come. He thought he was preaching to the choir.

    Dumbass politician.

  85. @anonymous
    What is a B+ white person?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    What is a B+ white person?

    Lake Wobegon material. All God’s chillun got B+.

  86. @Reg Cæsar
    @Greg

    He'll have problems if any of those grandchildren are queer. Their new neighbors haven't drunk the Kool-Aid yet, and likely never will.

    Replies: @Alice

    Interesting you mention that.

    We have already got the MN state high school league imposing gender equity demands for trans students on every school.

    Currently, MN has a very aggressive org called OutFront making a coordinated assault on charter schools here. Charters are public schools not yet under the thumb of the unions.

    The big districts have already been brought to heel by 1) the Feds suing over disparate impact in discipline and 2) the gLBTetc crowd creating a lovely totalitarian “anti bullying” legislation.

    But the charters hadn’t heeled. So now test families are attacking charter schools, threatening that their trans elementary school children are being discriminated against, and then demanding lgbtetc approved curriculum be used to indoctrinate the children to the acceptable viewpoint. Unsurprisingly, it’s the classical charters and other patriotic schools being attacked, not the Muslim ones.

    It will be interesting when these two groups of America haters finally face off. Except we’ll be gulaged by then.

  87. Terrible winters, humid summers, Somalis everywhere, governor who can barely speak and when he does, insults his own people: Minnesota sounds like a great place.

  88. All together now, American saps:

    Someone’s shtupping us, Kumbaya.
    Someone’s shtupping us, Kumbaya.
    Someone’s shtupping us, Kumbaya.
    O Lord, Kumbaya
    .

  89. @Steve Sailer
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Mark Brandt Dayton:

    Badman tyrant dork.

    OK, that's pretty good.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Clyde, @Anonymous, @Desiderius

    Yeah, two weeks and a hundred or more anagrams, and he– actually, his software– finally gets a good one in. Too bad anagram programs can’t select for quality, because too many users can’t either.

  90. @anonymous
    Yes, to be ready for the 21st century, Minnesota needs thousands of Somalians whose education consists of rote memorization of the Koran and instruction in the use and maintenance of an AK-47. Those B+ whites just won't cut it anymore. I mean, unless they're gay or transgender.

    Replies: @Hail

    Minnesota needs thousands of Somalians whose education consists of rote memorization of the Koran and instruction in the use and maintenance of an AK-47

    Real or imagined (or hyperbolic) Somali dysfunction is not, ought not be, the real issue.

    Maintaining a Minnesota firmly rooted in Western Civilization, ethnoculturally, is a wholly goal legitimate in and of itself and needs no apology or “proxy justification”.

    The Upper Midwest developed a distinct regional culture, largely rural, based heavily on the Americanization and “West”ernization (as in the frontier American West) of Scandinavian and German settlers of the 1800s. This ethnoculture cannot survive if it is swamped by Africans and Asians, to state the obvious.

    In other words, even if Somalis were model citizens, we still don’t want them colonizing our country. We wish them luck in their own country.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Hail

    I agree with your comments entirely. My comment was merely directed at Dayton's implication that Somali goatherds will help his state succeed in the 21st century.

  91. @Steve Sailer
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Mark Brandt Dayton:

    Badman tyrant dork.

    OK, that's pretty good.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Clyde, @Anonymous, @Desiderius

    Anagrams for: Mark Brandt Dayton

    Badman Tyrant Dork
    Armband Rad Knotty
    Armband Tardy Knot…
    http://wordsmith.org/anagram/anagram.cgi?anagram=Mark+Brandt+Dayton&t=1000&a=n

  92. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    I’m not sure why liberal politicians want to be in charge of places consisting of poverty-stricken, struggling, over-populated, brown-skinned people with low IQs. Dayton would be better off moving to India and becoming mayor of Calcutta, if that’s his thing. He’s remarkably out of step with his tribal white kin. Or maybe he thinks all the whites in his state are Republicans.

  93. White Minnesotans
    1950s: 3.3 million
    2010s: 4.5 million (U.S. Census estimate). (Whites now 81.5% of state pop.)
    2030s: Probably around 4.5 million

    Approx. Population of Somalia
    1950s: 2.5 million
    2030s: 20.0 million (Projected) (From here and based on UN data).

    (i.e., a full three population doublings in Somalia.) (Minnesota Whites will have had 0.36 doublings in same period [1950s-2030s], with all that growth coming in the earlier parts of the period).

    • Replies: @Hail
    @Hail

    Minnesotans ("White Minnesotans") outnumbered Somalis in Somali by 13 to 10 in the 1950s.

    Jump ahead a mere eighty years, a single human's lifetime, and the ratio reverses to 10 to 45, Minnesota Whites to Somalis in Somalia.

    What about the ratio in Minnesota itself? Some say there are now 50,000 Somalis in Minnesota, in which case the same ratio would be 900-to-10 in Minnesota.

    Prediction: No one will take the problem seriously and people keep signalling their moral virtue with it. The poor Somalis! So weak and helpless. Remember that one poem they transcribed onto the Statue of Liberty from the Constitution?

  94. Governor Dayton is just aping what Chief Trading In Fur told his people back in the day.

  95. @Hail
    White Minnesotans
    1950s: 3.3 million
    2010s: 4.5 million (U.S. Census estimate). (Whites now 81.5% of state pop.)
    2030s: Probably around 4.5 million

    Approx. Population of Somalia
    1950s: 2.5 million
    2030s: 20.0 million (Projected) (From here and based on UN data).

    (i.e., a full three population doublings in Somalia.) (Minnesota Whites will have had 0.36 doublings in same period [1950s-2030s], with all that growth coming in the earlier parts of the period).

    Replies: @Hail

    Minnesotans (“White Minnesotans”) outnumbered Somalis in Somali by 13 to 10 in the 1950s.

    Jump ahead a mere eighty years, a single human’s lifetime, and the ratio reverses to 10 to 45, Minnesota Whites to Somalis in Somalia.

    What about the ratio in Minnesota itself? Some say there are now 50,000 Somalis in Minnesota, in which case the same ratio would be 900-to-10 in Minnesota.

    Prediction: No one will take the problem seriously and people keep signalling their moral virtue with it. The poor Somalis! So weak and helpless. Remember that one poem they transcribed onto the Statue of Liberty from the Constitution?

  96. @notsaying
    As long certain groups demand continuous growth that in the past has come from higher wages, more people and more spending, it seems to me we're going to be in big trouble.

    Because most Americans are experiencing little to no wage growth in real terms or actual decreases, it looks like the only option is to bring in millions of new people which is nuts

    Replies: @Anon

    Most Americans are experiencing little wage growth BECAUSE we are flooding the market with Indians. There is perception out there that we import Indians to just code. But they don’t just code, they stay and some move into middle and upper management. They take jobs from native Americans.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Anon


    There is perception out there that we import Indians to just code. But they don’t just code, they stay and some move into middle and upper management
     
    A lot of them just code motels.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  97. Now here’s an anagram for the nephew of Target’s founding father:

    Governor Mark B Dayton = Kmart: One Groovy Brand!

    • Agree: Chrisnonymous
  98. Leftist conservative [AKA "radical_centrist"] says: • Website

    yes, there is hatred for whiteness among whites and idolization of nonwhites among whites…and some here claim that is the driving force here, not economics.

    for the 1000th time, that self-hatred among whites was instilled by propaganda exposure during youth.

    But the anti-white propaganda was created and disseminated because it helps facilitate immigration and racial integration. And immigration and racial integration help increase the supply of workers and consumers.

    it is a chain:
    1. the desire for profit creates a propaganda-based long game. This long game starts in the the think tanks, and then the next step is the non-profit foundations that give grants to the ‘right kind’ of professors, activists and writers. This started decades ago. The think tanks and foundations are funded by the upper class and corporations and corporate lobbying groups.

    2. this propaganda then creates anti-white propaganda in educational curriculum, which over decades creates self-loathing whites.

    3. Self-loathing whites vote for pro-immigration, pro-multiculti politicians.

    4. pro-immigration, pro-multiculti politicians enact policies that increase the number of workers and consumers.

    5. This increase in the number of workers and consumers leads economic growth and greater profits.

    There is more to it than just that, but that is the gist.

  99. @ABN
    The thing is, Gov. Dayton, there is no other place for immigration restrictionists to go. Indeed, a certain kind of leftist takes particular pride in finding lily-white states and towns to enrich with vibrancy. Somalis in New England: cat lady achievement unlocked!

    If there were some segment of the country currently permitted to preserve itself, I would say, "Let the Nordic suckers of Minnesota do to themselves what their kin in Europe are currently doing." It's sad to see mass immigration befall a peaceful, well-governed, high-trust social democracy, but at the end of the day, people should get the govt they deserve.

    What I refuse to accept is for the rest of America to get the government that Minnesotans deserve. If mass immigration is to continue, we will have to split the country into a handful of loosely confederated regions with strict internal border controls. Regions that create high-wage economies and livable communities won't be flooded with outsiders to arbitrage away the increased quality of life that others have created. Regions that doth protest their love for diversity will end up dispossessing only themselves, if (admittedly a big if) they actually mean it and aren't just status-signaling, self-segregating hypocrites.

    I know all this stuff sounds LARPy, but ultimately there is no meaningful self-determination without control over membership in one's community. If that can't be achieved at the overall level of the US it must be achieved within some subset of the US.

    Of course, ruling-class gentry liberals like Dayton aren't interested in "live and let live" with other Americans. They know full well there's nowhere in America that's safe from people like themselves. Not only do they know it, they get off on that fact.

    This is the most despicable thing about Cultural Marxism. I doubt many of us mind if our fellow Americans in liberal strongholds want to indulge their silly SWPL affectations. They, on the other hand, are determined to eliminate their rival tribe as a cultural and political force.

    As Thomas Jefferson said, "We might have been a great and free people together."

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Mr. Anon

    Indeed, the people who are in the business of importing Somalis specifically sent them to predominantly white places, like Minnesota, in order to break the white majority there. It’s block-busting on a national scale.

  100. @JohnnyWalker123
    @anonymous

    Somalians are moochers.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    “Somalians are moochers.”

    That’s a little unfair, isn’t it? They are also terrorists and pirates.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Mr. Anon



    “Somalians are moochers.”

    That’s a little unfair, isn’t it? They are also terrorists and pirates.

     

    It comes with the Islam.

    But say the same about Palestinians, and all of a sudden you're kissing rabbinical tusch. Double standards apply here as anywhere else. The P-word turns the Bull Connors into Ramsey Clarks.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  101. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    When I read such comments, I always wonder what future historians will make of this time. I feel that they will have a very hard time believing that whites were this insane. They will read the speeches and look at the policies and imagine that they're missing something, that no people would do this to themselves, so there must be another explanation.

    For that matter, do the Chinese watch the West in wonderment? Do their leaders sit back and laugh at the folly of their competition? If I was China, I wouldn't do anything to provoke the West. What's the point? Just wait another generation or two, and the U.S. will be Brazil - and Brazil isn't going to get in the way of China.

    A Dayton marries a Rockefeller and then finds a way to look down on middle-class whites for wanting to keep their communities intact and safe. Classic.

    Replies: @Bleuteaux, @anonymous, @Bill, @ben tillman

    Well said. The elite’s disdain for core, historic American is jarring. Talk about punching down.

  102. @Steve Sailer
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Mark Brandt Dayton:

    Badman tyrant dork.

    OK, that's pretty good.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Clyde, @Anonymous, @Desiderius

    How about this one:

    Mark Brandt Dayton

    Mother Fucking Cocksucker

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Anonymous

    Great, a graffiti gram.

    , @Steven Austen
    @Anonymous

    Badman! Tyrant! DORK! = Mark Brandt Dayton

  103. If Dayton thinks immigrants are so much more important than the natives he should have Target and any other companies he owns stock in issue lots and lots of shares to random people (but disproportionately to Republican voters) at no cost. After all, it would be totally nativixenophoboracist of him to think that a company belongs to its stockholders. If he doesn’t like my policy idea then he should get the fuck out of America, because I said so.

  104. I think Steve Sailer wrote that it’s the guys who take the 7:20 am flight out of DFW who keep this country running. In other words, B+ whites.

  105. 2Mintzin1 [AKA "Mike"] says:

    OK, so it sounds like Dayton can’t deny that he said those things (Option 1)… my guess is that the party elders are evaluating whether their friends in the media can help him walk them back (Option 2), or if, like the Mayor of Baltimore (“room to destroy”, anyone?) , it is time for Dayton to gracefully announce that he is not running for re-election again, to spend more time with his family, etc.
    If his family is as rich as claimed, it should be easy to arrange a non-profit corporation director position for him, at the same or more $ than he is making right now.

    Dayton’s remarks are reprehensible. It can be really ugly when a progressive politician lets his mask slip.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @2Mintzin1

    These quotes are almost a week old now. Has this story been picked up anywhere outside of St. Cloud?

    Replies: @Leftist conservative, @2Mintzin1, @WGG, @Mark Minter, @Alice

  106. @2Mintzin1
    OK, so it sounds like Dayton can't deny that he said those things (Option 1)... my guess is that the party elders are evaluating whether their friends in the media can help him walk them back (Option 2), or if, like the Mayor of Baltimore ("room to destroy", anyone?) , it is time for Dayton to gracefully announce that he is not running for re-election again, to spend more time with his family, etc.
    If his family is as rich as claimed, it should be easy to arrange a non-profit corporation director position for him, at the same or more $ than he is making right now.

    Dayton's remarks are reprehensible. It can be really ugly when a progressive politician lets his mask slip.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    These quotes are almost a week old now. Has this story been picked up anywhere outside of St. Cloud?

    • Replies: @Leftist conservative
    @Steve Sailer

    this story has only been published in local, smalltown newspapers in MN

    , @2Mintzin1
    @Steve Sailer

    I haven't seen 'em anywhere except on this blog

    Replies: @2Mintzin1

    , @WGG
    @Steve Sailer

    Andrew Anglin on Twitter and The Daily Stormer has been assailing the governor and sending an army of fashy followers to hammer this tool Dayton for days.

    I doubt you find him to be a reputable journalist, but he has influence.

    , @Mark Minter
    @Steve Sailer

    It's all around the alt-right today. And I hear that The Internet Is Written in Ink. It also in the Duluth and Minneapolis papers.

    But whatever, he's a second term Gov., re-elected in 2014. So there isn't much a political penalty for him. But it will freaking cost Hillary.

    This sort of "Let them eat cake" statement is firing up far more than just the flyover state republican base. This is exactly the stuff Sailer, Pete B., and even writers as radical as Richard Spencer have been saying since 2009. Dems will push whites into identity politics. These morality lectures where some lib "tells" us why our desire for some issue X is racist and "why that is a problem" are not working anymore.

    This Dayton guy just took MI, a blue state, and put it in play; he also gave Wisconsin to Trump; probably Michigan. Polls came out for NV and SC today; Trump was "supposed" to be fading, candidates with better orgs surging, and the Rep. establishment back in control.

    And they are "baffled", Itellyou Baffled! as to why that isn't happening.

    I had a twitter account for about a week that shitpoasted until I got blocked. I was all happy that I was in the "club" with some of the best alt-right twitter people, a who's who followers list of alt-right personages who favorited and retweeted my stuff, of which I put a lot of effort into making all edgy, intellectual, lots of Sailer, lots of Alt-Right inside jokes.

    My wife has some Pro-Trump account with a catchy name with Trump in it. She retweets pro-trump stuff from other female Trump supporters, makes memes with stuff like 'Can't stump/dump/stop the Trump'.

    And it was humiliating how many more followers and impressions she got, normal everyday PTA moms and white bread dads. And guess what has pissed these people off, what issue drives them?

    Baffling, I tell ya, Baff-Ling!

    , @Alice
    @Steve Sailer

    Tonight, the Star Tribune ran the story in typical "democrat operatives with bylines" fashion. But the bloggers at Powerline picked it up tonight. They claim based on that article, but perhaps based on Sailer! And powerline blog surely has more readers than the Strib ;)

  107. @Steve Sailer
    @2Mintzin1

    These quotes are almost a week old now. Has this story been picked up anywhere outside of St. Cloud?

    Replies: @Leftist conservative, @2Mintzin1, @WGG, @Mark Minter, @Alice

    this story has only been published in local, smalltown newspapers in MN

  108. I mean other than to to consume a lot of crap sold by the Dayton-Rockefeller family businesses, Target and ExxonMobil?

    Actually, Target split from Dayton-Hudson years ago, and I think the Daytons stuck with the latter. Then Dayton-Hudson swallowed Marshall Field, confusingly adopting the name of its purchase (as did neighbor bank Norwest did with Wells Fargo about the same time.) Then MF/DH was acquired by Amalgamated (or Associated or Affiliated or whatever), who changed everything to Macy’s.

    So the Daytons were removed a bit from Target by 2010, when the company dumped $150,000 on a PAC supporting Mark’s opponent Tom Emmer. He was an economics kind of guy, like Dick Armey, and they liked his business-friendly attitude.

    Target didn’t take into account the man-woman constitutional amendment bill Emmer sponsored in the Legislature a few years earlier. But their designers, buyers, and other fashionistas sure did– to their hive mind, that was the Second Holocaust, and Target was forced to run away, tail between legs.

    Dayton won by a nose.

    • Replies: @Glossy
    @Reg Cæsar

    Then MF/DH was acquired by Amalgamated (or Associated or Affiliated or whatever), who changed everything to Macy’s.

    LOL! I think it was actually Federated Department Stores.

  109. If you want to see some really funny stuff (the word “funny,” used here, means “infuriating”), google “Somali’s food stamps.”

    Here’s a bunch of fat Somali’s complaining that food banks don’t stock many halal products.

    Here’s a case where eight Somali store owners were indicted for food stamp fraud.

    Here’s data showing that over 90% of Middle Eastern refugees admitted 2008-2013 are on food stamps.

    Salvadorans, Yemenis, Somalis, Afghans – we are risking our country’s future on the people who built the shittiest countries in the world.

  110. @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    How about this one:

    Mark Brandt Dayton

    Mother Fucking Cocksucker

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Steven Austen

    Great, a graffiti gram.

  111. @Steve Sailer
    @2Mintzin1

    These quotes are almost a week old now. Has this story been picked up anywhere outside of St. Cloud?

    Replies: @Leftist conservative, @2Mintzin1, @WGG, @Mark Minter, @Alice

    I haven’t seen ’em anywhere except on this blog

    • Replies: @2Mintzin1
    @2Mintzin1

    Which means Dayton may not even need to try option 1.

  112. “And anybody who cannot accept your right to be here, and this is Minnesota, should find another state.”

    Politician tells citizens of representative democracy that they have no right to tell their representatives how they wish to be governed.

    This is really, sadly, not an uncommon expression. My hometown paper, owned by the Mormon Church, has expressed a similar attitude in probably dozens of editorials: ‘immigration,’ they say, ‘should not be a political issue’- despite the fact that immigration policy is determined by our elected leaders.

    When they aren’t telling us one lie after another about how immigration can’t be controlled, they’re telling us to STFU because it’s none of our business. One really wishes Americans had more self-respect and was more inclined to tell these people where to go.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Wilkey


    My hometown paper, owned by the Mormon Church, has expressed a similar attitude in probably dozens of editorials: ‘immigration,’ they say, ‘should not be a political issue’- despite the fact that immigration policy is determined by our elected leaders.
     
    When people say something "should not be a political issue", they mean it should be decided by the ruling political/media elite without interference from the plebs - and that the elite have already made up their minds on it. In other words, shut up while your country is invaded and taken over.
    , @snorlax
    @Wilkey

    Didn't liberals used to become hysterical about the phrase "America: Love it or leave it."?

    Replies: @TB2

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Wilkey

    "This is really, sadly, not an uncommon expression. My hometown paper, owned by the Mormon Church, has expressed a similar attitude in probably dozens of editorials: ‘immigration,’ they say, ‘should not be a political issue’- despite the fact that immigration policy is determined by our elected leaders."

    My "hometown" paper is owned by a jewish-owned New York media company. They are similarly dedicated to the proposition that we are entitled to their opinions.

  113. @2Mintzin1
    @Steve Sailer

    I haven't seen 'em anywhere except on this blog

    Replies: @2Mintzin1

    Which means Dayton may not even need to try option 1.

  114. WGG [AKA "World\'s Greatest Grandson"] says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @2Mintzin1

    These quotes are almost a week old now. Has this story been picked up anywhere outside of St. Cloud?

    Replies: @Leftist conservative, @2Mintzin1, @WGG, @Mark Minter, @Alice

    Andrew Anglin on Twitter and The Daily Stormer has been assailing the governor and sending an army of fashy followers to hammer this tool Dayton for days.

    I doubt you find him to be a reputable journalist, but he has influence.

  115. @Reg Cæsar

    I mean other than to to consume a lot of crap sold by the Dayton-Rockefeller family businesses, Target and ExxonMobil?
     
    Actually, Target split from Dayton-Hudson years ago, and I think the Daytons stuck with the latter. Then Dayton-Hudson swallowed Marshall Field, confusingly adopting the name of its purchase (as did neighbor bank Norwest did with Wells Fargo about the same time.) Then MF/DH was acquired by Amalgamated (or Associated or Affiliated or whatever), who changed everything to Macy's.

    So the Daytons were removed a bit from Target by 2010, when the company dumped $150,000 on a PAC supporting Mark's opponent Tom Emmer. He was an economics kind of guy, like Dick Armey, and they liked his business-friendly attitude.

    Target didn't take into account the man-woman constitutional amendment bill Emmer sponsored in the Legislature a few years earlier. But their designers, buyers, and other fashionistas sure did-- to their hive mind, that was the Second Holocaust, and Target was forced to run away, tail between legs.

    Dayton won by a nose.

    Replies: @Glossy

    Then MF/DH was acquired by Amalgamated (or Associated or Affiliated or whatever), who changed everything to Macy’s.

    LOL! I think it was actually Federated Department Stores.

  116. @Wilkey
    "And anybody who cannot accept your right to be here, and this is Minnesota, should find another state."

    Politician tells citizens of representative democracy that they have no right to tell their representatives how they wish to be governed.

    This is really, sadly, not an uncommon expression. My hometown paper, owned by the Mormon Church, has expressed a similar attitude in probably dozens of editorials: 'immigration,' they say, 'should not be a political issue'- despite the fact that immigration policy is determined by our elected leaders.

    When they aren't telling us one lie after another about how immigration can't be controlled, they're telling us to STFU because it's none of our business. One really wishes Americans had more self-respect and was more inclined to tell these people where to go.

    Replies: @Rob McX, @snorlax, @Mr. Anon

    My hometown paper, owned by the Mormon Church, has expressed a similar attitude in probably dozens of editorials: ‘immigration,’ they say, ‘should not be a political issue’- despite the fact that immigration policy is determined by our elected leaders.

    When people say something “should not be a political issue”, they mean it should be decided by the ruling political/media elite without interference from the plebs – and that the elite have already made up their minds on it. In other words, shut up while your country is invaded and taken over.

  117. @Hail
    @anonymous


    Minnesota needs thousands of Somalians whose education consists of rote memorization of the Koran and instruction in the use and maintenance of an AK-47
     
    Real or imagined (or hyperbolic) Somali dysfunction is not, ought not be, the real issue.

    Maintaining a Minnesota firmly rooted in Western Civilization, ethnoculturally, is a wholly goal legitimate in and of itself and needs no apology or "proxy justification".

    The Upper Midwest developed a distinct regional culture, largely rural, based heavily on the Americanization and "West"ernization (as in the frontier American West) of Scandinavian and German settlers of the 1800s. This ethnoculture cannot survive if it is swamped by Africans and Asians, to state the obvious.

    In other words, even if Somalis were model citizens, we still don't want them colonizing our country. We wish them luck in their own country.

    Replies: @anonymous

    I agree with your comments entirely. My comment was merely directed at Dayton’s implication that Somali goatherds will help his state succeed in the 21st century.

  118. @Anonymous
    Mr. Sailer,

    I've noticed your sarcasm has been very biting lately (e.g. Muslim woman invents baking, Muslim student invents the clock). Keep it up! It's funny and refreshing.

    Replies: @Kylie

    I wish the absolute worst on Dayton and his family.

  119. Non-whites are superior to us in every way, but they can’t achieve anything without our help.

    Maybe immigrants should have to prove their A+ status by building A+ societies in their home countries, and then we can let them in?

    • Agree: Hail
    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Clement Pulaski


    Non-whites are superior to us in every way, but they can’t achieve anything without our help.

     

    Oh, that is well-stated.

    This paradox lies at the heart of progressive theology, in which the noble, powerful, enlightened (and of course white) SJW strives to act, and be recognized, as savior of The Other. The Other are both idealized, and yet not fully human; their motivations, actions, and beliefs are therefore irrelevant to the progressives' heretical Christian soteriological narrative.

    Replies: @Clement Pulaski

    , @5371
    @Clement Pulaski

    [Non-whites are superior to us in every way, but they can’t achieve anything without our help.]

    Just as robots are going to take all our jobs, so we need to import vast numbers of non-white immigrants to do them.

  120. @countenance
    Dayton is a Democrat. His Republican analogue in Michigan, Rickroller Snyder, who also hails from a business background that is heavily immigrant dependent (supposedly), wants Syrians to be brought into Michigan.

    Isn't one corporatist political party in this country enough such that we need two?

    Replies: @Thea, @Drapetomaniac

    We have oh one party but it has two names

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    @Thea

    We have only one party but it has two faces and a forked tongue!

    FIFY!

  121. “And don’t get the Governor of Minnesota started on white, C+, Minnesota-born citizens. Why are they even allowed to exist? (I mean other than to to consume a lot of crap sold by the Dayton-Rockefeller family businesses, Target and ExxonMobil?)”

    Speaking of which, former Chase-Manhattan executive David Rockefeller is still around. The final child of JDRockefeller Jr, is now in his hundredth year. Wonder if Governor Dayton is on familiar terms with David? Probably not as some, since MN is admittedly too far away from NYC to really matter. Thought maybe the gov had married one of David’s daughters.

    Apparently he did not.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi


    Speaking of which, former Chase-Manhattan executive David Rockefeller is still around. The final child of JDRockefeller Jr, is now in his hundredth year.
     
    He's a third of the way through his hundred-and-first year. The Irving Berlin of bankers.
    , @Anonymous
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Incidentally, I recall reading in a biography of the original John D. Rockefeller, the one who made the family fortune, that his goal in life was to become rich/a millionaire/the richest man in the world (something along those lines) and to live to be 100 years old. Also, his father or grandfather, I can't remember which, was a notorious con-man in upstate New York and would go around as a travelling salesman selling fake remedies and potions and skipping town before the suckers he sold the fraudulent products to would realize they were conned. He was literally a snake oil salesman.

    , @Dirk Dagger
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Alida Ferry Rockefeller Dayton Messinger is the daughter of J.D. Rockefeller III (that makes her a fourth-generation member of the Rockefeller family or "the cousins" in their terminology), her bother Jay (J.D. Rockefeller IV) bought himself a slightly used seat in the United States Senate in 1984 (from West Virginia (?), hey, it was cheap). Jay and Dayton served for the benefit of the little people in the senate together when ...


    October 12, 2004. That morning, Dayton, a freshman Democratic senator from Minnesota, appeared in front of a line of TV cameras and announced that in the coming weeks the Capitol would likely be the target of a terrorist attack. He knew this, he said, because of classified information he and his Senate colleagues had received, and, as a safety precaution, he was closing his Washington office for the fall recess and sending his staff elsewhere until after the following month’s election.

    In the hours that followed, nearly every congressman, Bush administration spokesman, and law enforcement official within earshot of a reporter delivered a unified response, the gist of which was that Mark Dayton was crazy. Charles Homans in The New Republic, Eeyore for Governor
     
  122. @Rob McX
    Looking at someone like Dayton, you get the impression that great wealth (especially if it's inherited) isolates you from the consequences of your actions in a way that ordinary people can't grasp.

    Replies: @rod1963, @Olorin

    Yeah look at Gates, Ellison, Zuckerberg, the Google founders, all open borders and H1-B supporters.

    The super rich seem to be manifestly hostile to Western civilization.

  123. And oh my god, he’s a gentile with a WASPy name! Cue the WASP apologetics!

  124. @Mr. Anon
    @JohnnyWalker123

    "Somalians are moochers."

    That's a little unfair, isn't it? They are also terrorists and pirates.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    “Somalians are moochers.”

    That’s a little unfair, isn’t it? They are also terrorists and pirates.

    It comes with the Islam.

    But say the same about Palestinians, and all of a sudden you’re kissing rabbinical tusch. Double standards apply here as anywhere else. The P-word turns the Bull Connors into Ramsey Clarks.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Reg Cæsar

    "But say the same about Palestinians, and all of a sudden you’re kissing rabbinical tusch."

    You might seem to be if you force them into a discussion about an entirely different topic.

    And actually, it doesn't necessarily come with the Islam. Malays and Indonesians don't behave as obnoxiously as do Somalis or many Arabs.

    I don't want my country to be beset by old, middle-eastern suabbles, either forced on us by Palestinians, or by those who oppose Palestinians.

  125. @Clement Pulaski
    Non-whites are superior to us in every way, but they can't achieve anything without our help.

    Maybe immigrants should have to prove their A+ status by building A+ societies in their home countries, and then we can let them in?

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @5371

    Non-whites are superior to us in every way, but they can’t achieve anything without our help.

    Oh, that is well-stated.

    This paradox lies at the heart of progressive theology, in which the noble, powerful, enlightened (and of course white) SJW strives to act, and be recognized, as savior of The Other. The Other are both idealized, and yet not fully human; their motivations, actions, and beliefs are therefore irrelevant to the progressives’ heretical Christian soteriological narrative.

    • Replies: @Clement Pulaski
    @The Last Real Calvinist


    The Other are both idealized, and yet not fully human;
     
    This fact came out when the "black lives matter" crowd got bent out of shape when liberals freaked out about Cecil the lion. "Why care about a lion when black men are being murdered by police?" they wondered. The answer is, that to white liberals, the poor lion and the poor blacks play the same role emotionally
  126. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Thea
    @countenance

    We have oh one party but it has two names

    Replies: @The most deplorable one

    We have only one party but it has two faces and a forked tongue!

    FIFY!

  127. @Anon
    @notsaying

    Most Americans are experiencing little wage growth BECAUSE we are flooding the market with Indians. There is perception out there that we import Indians to just code. But they don't just code, they stay and some move into middle and upper management. They take jobs from native Americans.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    There is perception out there that we import Indians to just code. But they don’t just code, they stay and some move into middle and upper management

    A lot of them just code motels.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Reg Cæsar

    A lot of them just smell.

  128. The median household income for black foreign born unmarried Minnesotan families with no children is 130k for 2014. They represent 14% of Minnesota’s foreign born black families.

    I wonder if that’s part of it, only exposure to that section of foreign born black Minnesota.

    • Replies: @ren
    @The Practical Conservative


    The median household income for black foreign born unmarried Minnesotan families with no children is 130k for 2014. They represent 14% of Minnesota’s foreign born black families.

     

    Can you share a link to that info?

    Replies: @The Practical Conservative

  129. Minnesota is making a strong move for first place in the Idiocracy Rankings of American States.

    With a bit of luck and some hard work, the Minnesotans should be able to devolve back into the human-chimp common ancestor in no time.

  130. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "And don’t get the Governor of Minnesota started on white, C+, Minnesota-born citizens. Why are they even allowed to exist? (I mean other than to to consume a lot of crap sold by the Dayton-Rockefeller family businesses, Target and ExxonMobil?)"

    Speaking of which, former Chase-Manhattan executive David Rockefeller is still around. The final child of JDRockefeller Jr, is now in his hundredth year. Wonder if Governor Dayton is on familiar terms with David? Probably not as some, since MN is admittedly too far away from NYC to really matter. Thought maybe the gov had married one of David's daughters.

    Apparently he did not.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous, @Dirk Dagger

    Speaking of which, former Chase-Manhattan executive David Rockefeller is still around. The final child of JDRockefeller Jr, is now in his hundredth year.

    He’s a third of the way through his hundred-and-first year. The Irving Berlin of bankers.

  131. @countenance
    Dayton is a Democrat. His Republican analogue in Michigan, Rickroller Snyder, who also hails from a business background that is heavily immigrant dependent (supposedly), wants Syrians to be brought into Michigan.

    Isn't one corporatist political party in this country enough such that we need two?

    Replies: @Thea, @Drapetomaniac

    Rick Snyder makes the elementary particles he’s made of look stupid.

  132. @Reg Cæsar
    @Anon


    There is perception out there that we import Indians to just code. But they don’t just code, they stay and some move into middle and upper management
     
    A lot of them just code motels.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    A lot of them just smell.

  133. @Steve Sailer
    @2Mintzin1

    These quotes are almost a week old now. Has this story been picked up anywhere outside of St. Cloud?

    Replies: @Leftist conservative, @2Mintzin1, @WGG, @Mark Minter, @Alice

    It’s all around the alt-right today. And I hear that The Internet Is Written in Ink. It also in the Duluth and Minneapolis papers.

    But whatever, he’s a second term Gov., re-elected in 2014. So there isn’t much a political penalty for him. But it will freaking cost Hillary.

    This sort of “Let them eat cake” statement is firing up far more than just the flyover state republican base. This is exactly the stuff Sailer, Pete B., and even writers as radical as Richard Spencer have been saying since 2009. Dems will push whites into identity politics. These morality lectures where some lib “tells” us why our desire for some issue X is racist and “why that is a problem” are not working anymore.

    This Dayton guy just took MI, a blue state, and put it in play; he also gave Wisconsin to Trump; probably Michigan. Polls came out for NV and SC today; Trump was “supposed” to be fading, candidates with better orgs surging, and the Rep. establishment back in control.

    And they are “baffled”, Itellyou Baffled! as to why that isn’t happening.

    I had a twitter account for about a week that shitpoasted until I got blocked. I was all happy that I was in the “club” with some of the best alt-right twitter people, a who’s who followers list of alt-right personages who favorited and retweeted my stuff, of which I put a lot of effort into making all edgy, intellectual, lots of Sailer, lots of Alt-Right inside jokes.

    My wife has some Pro-Trump account with a catchy name with Trump in it. She retweets pro-trump stuff from other female Trump supporters, makes memes with stuff like ‘Can’t stump/dump/stop the Trump’.

    And it was humiliating how many more followers and impressions she got, normal everyday PTA moms and white bread dads. And guess what has pissed these people off, what issue drives them?

    Baffling, I tell ya, Baff-Ling!

  134. If you’re curious about the new demographics of Minnesota, check out the Mall of America.

    It was kinda fun for the first 20 years, but they didn’t think things out too well. The parking is free, there’s no admission fee, it’s air-conditioned in the summer and warm in the winter. When you’ve got nowhere better to go…

    • Replies: @The Practical Conservative
    @Grumpy

    I wouldn't be so sure. Married women's birthrates are beginning a (very tiny and slow) upward trend after a long decline. There's been a steady increase over the last decade in married couples having three children and single mothers having only one.

    I am not sure what the future holds, but I no longer am so certain that child-having is over for stable, marriage-oriented people.

    Replies: @Grumpy

  135. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “The real motivation is hostility to American whites born from a desire to feel morally superior to them.”

    The morally self-anointed white superiors see how all aspects of power (legal as well as social) work to destroy any white who they can tar with the KKK brush. They fire the weapon any chance they get. You’ve probably seen the KKK without even knowing it.

    “White B+ Citizen” is clearly liberal alien-lizard invader code for KKK. D*&%n White Loosers with weird pointy hats and stupid wizard robes! They are everywhere! We could make something of this country if it weren’t for all the midnight sabotage done by the B+.

  136. @Alice
    @fish

    Dayton's brothers all were respected businesen in town. Mark was the only one who couldn't manage that. So he went into politics.

    In 2009, he admitted he was an alcoholic who was treated for "depression", though many indicate it's bipolar, what used to be called manic depression.
    http://m.startribune.com/politics/statelocal/80168257.html

    When he was senator in 2004, he caused a local stir when he closed his DC office and sent his staff home to MN after hearing a nat sec briefing by the FBI/CIA. It was the same briefing everyone else heard, and it listed possible threat scenarios.

    No one else reacted by being scared witless. Just him. The TNR piece is devastating.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A28030-2004Oct12.html

    http://www.newrepublic.com/article/politics/magazine/77869/eeyore-governor

    He isn't weird by MN governor standards. Prior governors have included Jesse the Body Ventura and Rudy Perpich, who would disappear and state troopers couldn't find him.

    Replies: @Mike

    Heh…

    Weird governors in Minnesota…

    And their children. Rudy’s daughter (google Mary Sue Perpich or Sue Perpich) tried to get me to do her homework back in college. She thought waving those boobs around was going to work for her.

    Also, Mark Dayton’s brother John was a force behind one of the best restaurants to ever appear in Dallas: Routh Street Cafe. The place was the restaurant in town for ten years.

    I have one sister and her family left in Minnesota (the entire White Rock Kitchens clans was once living there). I’m going to have to check in to see how this attitude toward whites flies with her… If I remember correctly, she was a C student.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Mike

    Mike, a "C" cup student or a "C" grade student. I would have helped her if the price was right.

  137. @Grumpy
    If you're curious about the new demographics of Minnesota, check out the Mall of America.

    It was kinda fun for the first 20 years, but they didn't think things out too well. The parking is free, there's no admission fee, it's air-conditioned in the summer and warm in the winter. When you've got nowhere better to go...

    Replies: @The Practical Conservative

    I wouldn’t be so sure. Married women’s birthrates are beginning a (very tiny and slow) upward trend after a long decline. There’s been a steady increase over the last decade in married couples having three children and single mothers having only one.

    I am not sure what the future holds, but I no longer am so certain that child-having is over for stable, marriage-oriented people.

    • Replies: @Grumpy
    @The Practical Conservative

    Five minutes at the Mall of America should cure you of your optimism.

    Replies: @The Practical Conservative, @Reg Cæsar

  138. @Hippopotamusdrome
    Mark Brandt Dayton:

    Badman tyrant dork.
    Darn, Kmart bad, Tony.
    Drat! Bonny Kmart ad.
    Odd bank man rat try.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Reg Cæsar

    Hippopotamusdrome =

    A pomp-hued impostor
    Homo aids Trump, Pope

  139. @JohnnyWalker123

    “Our economy cannot expand based on white, B+, Minnesota-born citizens. We don’t have enough,” Dayton said.

     

    As I've always said, economic factors drive immigration more than anything else.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @oh its just me

    It at the same time they preach glbabal warming and saving the environment,

    Actually, notice how really preserving the environment has taken a back seat, well actually, it’s not even part of the. Lefts platform anymore

  140. Minnesota is a very iSteve-y state; check out Dayton’s Kommisar, sorry Commissioner of Education Brenda Cassellius she’s a close-the-gap churn-n-burn careerist of color. The good Governor’s sons, Eric and Andrew Rockefeller Dayton, run two SWPL businesses in Minneapolis: a precious locally sourced artisanal restaurant (with ironic Madmen-ish “Marvel Bar”), The Bachelor Farmer and a haberdashery named after a highway exit where the little people live, Askov Finlayson. I notice Andrew always omits his middle name and Eric always forgets to mention his service as a trustee for The Rockefeller Family Fund in the obligatory “our story” portion of every hipster business’s website.

  141. @The Practical Conservative
    @Grumpy

    I wouldn't be so sure. Married women's birthrates are beginning a (very tiny and slow) upward trend after a long decline. There's been a steady increase over the last decade in married couples having three children and single mothers having only one.

    I am not sure what the future holds, but I no longer am so certain that child-having is over for stable, marriage-oriented people.

    Replies: @Grumpy

    Five minutes at the Mall of America should cure you of your optimism.

    • Replies: @The Practical Conservative
    @Grumpy

    The Mall of America isn't actual demographic data. Anecdotes aren't, you know.

    Replies: @5371, @Dirk Dagger

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Grumpy

    White folks with full minivans don't go to MOA, there's a special guest. They go to the new outlet mall, which is outdrawing its older sister in the exurbs.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  142. Be careful Sailer I see that The Daily Stormer has a link to one of your posts at Vdare . You know what the MSM will do with that.

    • Replies: @Sunbeam
    @donut

    "Be careful Sailer I see that The Daily Stormer has a link to one of your posts at Vdare . You know what the MSM will do with that."

    I have google skills, of course. But I don't feel like exercising them (so I'll expend effort on writing this post). Feel free to call me ignorant, but if I googled absolutely every reference I didn't understand (like some Kardashian thing, saw a tabloid at the supermarket last night WhoTF is "Scott?") I wouldn't be doing anything else.

    What is the Daily Stormer (something to do with Stormfront)?

    I'm not sure from context if you are making a generic comment, or trying to needle Sailer. Either way is fine.

    But if you are a troll, could you guys please up your game? I know we all like to categorize people into boxes, but I think you would be surprised at the number of readers here who really aren't clued in or really don't care about things like you mentioned. And who don't have the slightest idea what Hitler's birthday was.

    Replies: @donut

  143. @Grumpy
    @The Practical Conservative

    Five minutes at the Mall of America should cure you of your optimism.

    Replies: @The Practical Conservative, @Reg Cæsar

    The Mall of America isn’t actual demographic data. Anecdotes aren’t, you know.

    • Replies: @5371
    @The Practical Conservative

    And your data, have you checked that it is statistically significant?

    Replies: @The Practical Conservative

    , @Dirk Dagger
    @The Practical Conservative

    Are too!


    'Data is not the plural of 'anecdote'"
    • Comment: At any given time there is some catch-phrase from the rigorous social sciences that has escaped into common circulation. A couple of years ago it was "correlation does not imply causation." Today's favorite is: "'data' is not the plural of 'anecdote.'"

    I've been hearing that a lot about my offending TakiMag piece, with reference to the many links I included.

    Well, fiddlesticks. In the first place, "data" actually is the plural of "anecdote." When a researcher gathers data, he is gathering particular instances — anecdotes — of general phenomena. When the Department of Justice assembles the National Crime Victimization Survey, they do it by collecting anecdotes — individual people's stories of crime victimization. A data set is just a mass of anecdotes.

    The trick is in the method. If you were to collect only anecdotes that pleased you for some reason, and ignored others, you would end up with a biased data set, not much use for objective inquiry into the phenomenon under investigation. (Though please note that, although biased, it is nonetheless data. So the plural of "anecdote" is "data" even in this case!) - John Derbyshire

     

  144. Wilkey:

    When they aren’t telling us one lie after another about how immigration can’t be controlled, they’re telling us to STFU because it’s none of our business. One really wishes Americans had more self-respect and was more inclined to tell these people where to go.

    anonymous:

    The morally self-anointed white superiors see how all aspects of power (legal as well as social) work to destroy any white who they can tar with the KKK brush. They fire the weapon any chance they get.

    It’s not so much about self-respect; it’s more the hand of Stalin on the megaphone. Part of the reason Trump is so reviled by the establishment on both the right and left is that he has wrested the megaphone away, broken it over his knee, and laughed, to which there is no rejoinder, because they can’t get him fired. They have to settle for calling him a “bully,” an insult which Dayton, of course, somehow doesn’t merit.

  145. BTW this ” if you don’t like our policies get out ” line is catching on everywhere :

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=eab_1445033279

    • Replies: @WowJustWow
    @donut

    Turn that BS right around on them. "If you prefer to rule over people from [X country], why not run for office in [X country] instead?"

  146. @Leftist conservative
    Steve Sailer wrote:
    "The governor swears an oath to the Economy to help it be all it can be. ....The important thing is: Think of the Economy."

    ==================================


    Thanks for leading and not following.

    Can we please finally admit that mass immigration (and the multiculturalist propaganda that lubricates the mass immigration machine) is driven primarily by one thing---> the desire for economic growth among the big corporations, lobbyists, and the rich and powerful?

    Mass immigration (and multiculturalist propaganda) is not about leftism or democrat voter growth, but for the most part it is just about the economy.

    Period.

    Those in control of the human livestock operation called America always want more livestock.

    Replies: @WowJustWow

    Not growth. Lower labor costs. You don’t get growth by importing human capital that consumes more than it produces.

  147. @donut
    BTW this " if you don't like our policies get out " line is catching on everywhere :

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=eab_1445033279

    Replies: @WowJustWow

    Turn that BS right around on them. “If you prefer to rule over people from [X country], why not run for office in [X country] instead?”

  148. @Another Canadian

    Dayton blunt in MN forum: Anyone who can’t accept immigrants ‘should find another state’
     
    We will be happy to take them in Ontario. Come on up!

    Replies: @Another Canadian

    Uh, oh. We just elected Justin Trudeau as PM so you may want to just stay put for now.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Another Canadian

    Was he in a boy band?

    Replies: @Another Canadian

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Another Canadian

    Another Canadian, we in Western New York, anxiously await the hordes of Canadians crossing our border to shop for staples and clothes at reasonable prices. Trudeau will help our economy. I remember a photo, from years ago, of Margaret Trudeau, stoned and sitting splay legged on the floor at a rock concert, panty less with her hairy bush on full display....some things you can't get out of your memory.

    Replies: @Another Canadian

  149. @Clement Pulaski
    Non-whites are superior to us in every way, but they can't achieve anything without our help.

    Maybe immigrants should have to prove their A+ status by building A+ societies in their home countries, and then we can let them in?

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @5371

    [Non-whites are superior to us in every way, but they can’t achieve anything without our help.]

    Just as robots are going to take all our jobs, so we need to import vast numbers of non-white immigrants to do them.

  150. @Another Canadian
    @Another Canadian

    Uh, oh. We just elected Justin Trudeau as PM so you may want to just stay put for now.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Buffalo Joe

    Was he in a boy band?

    • Replies: @Another Canadian
    @Steve Sailer

    No, I don't think so, but I recall his mother knew a few band members back in the day!

    The Justin Trudeau Song

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @William BadWhite

  151. @Steve Sailer
    @Another Canadian

    Was he in a boy band?

    Replies: @Another Canadian

    No, I don’t think so, but I recall his mother knew a few band members back in the day!

    The Justin Trudeau Song

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Another Canadian

    So maybe the new Prime Minister Trudeau is really the son of Sir Mick or Ted Kennedy or, my bet, ... Ronnie Wood?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @William BadWhite
    @Another Canadian

    and his mother fellated Geraldo Rivera in a canoe. If Geraldo is to be believed.

  152. @Another Canadian
    @Steve Sailer

    No, I don't think so, but I recall his mother knew a few band members back in the day!

    The Justin Trudeau Song

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @William BadWhite

    So maybe the new Prime Minister Trudeau is really the son of Sir Mick or Ted Kennedy or, my bet, … Ronnie Wood?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer


    So maybe the new Prime Minister Trudeau is really the son of Sir Mick or Ted Kennedy or, my bet, … Ronnie Wood?
     
    Justin Trudeau does kind of have Ronnie Wood's hair...more so than Pierre Trudeau's.
  153. @ABN
    It really is amazing how increasingly brazen the anti-white-American rhetoric is becoming. If a Martian were to come down to Earth and see an elected politician calling his constituents a bunch of boring, low-achieving losers who need to be sacrificed on the altars of economic growth and diversity, that Martian would be utterly baffled. Why do the voters allow themselves to be abused like that?

    The answer, of course, is that public discourse in America is under strict ideological control. It's increasingly artificial. The people with the Megaphone determine both the Narrative and the acceptable opinions the public may hold about the Narrative. They're basically talking to themselves.

    Being so out-of-touch would normally be a problem, but the Left probably figures they've succeeded in the divide-and-conquer drive to elect a new people, so they don't have to hide their contempt for their countrymen anymore.

    Maybe they have, but then again maybe they're prematurely celebrating their victory. The artifice of the Narrative may be reaching an intolerable extent while there's still time to pick up the pieces. I sure hope so.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Hubbub, @CCR

    Being so out-of-touch would normally be a problem, but the Left probably figures they’ve succeeded in the divide-and-conquer drive to elect a new people, so they don’t have to hide their contempt for their countrymen anymore.

    It seems so, this is the fourth time this week I’ve heard some Leftie official say, “if you don’t like these immigrants, then you are free to leave”. First it was said in Germany, then the U.K., and now in Minnesota.

  154. @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    How about this one:

    Mark Brandt Dayton

    Mother Fucking Cocksucker

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Steven Austen

    Badman! Tyrant! DORK! = Mark Brandt Dayton

  155. “””””He embarked on a career in teaching and social work in New York City and Boston after graduating from Yale University in 1969.”””

    There was sudden increase in interest of college graduates in teaching or social work with low income blacks at this time. That is because draft rules had tightened but social work and teaching could still get you a draft deferment.

    Bill O’Reilly is another one who took this route but as soon as the draft ended so did their interest in working with poor disadvantaged blacks.

  156. @Dennis Dale
    But seriously, how can Target sell more toilet paper without Minnesota taxpayers paying to import the surplus population of the Mad Max zones of the Horn of Africa? Think about it! Haven’t you studied demographics!

    It's appalling just how much low-human capital immigration is driven by corporations simply looking to expand the consumer base. It's the other side of the low wages impulse. They lower their labor costs and high-breeding third worlders buy more Huggies destined for landfills. It's the baby shit economy. Just as the cost of their insourced low wage earners is socialized, so is the cost of these new consumers. It's hard to tell where the stupid ends and the sinister begins.
    But the "not even from around here" line is supposed to be ours (the "xenophobes"); I mean, as far as I can tell, the Somalians are a long way from "around here". Does this guy have a clue about the irony of that? But of course it's all just who, whom, forever.

    Replies: @let it burn, @Dave Pinsen, @Harry Baldwin, @Lovernios X

    Great comment. “It’s hard to tell where the stupid ends and the sinister begins” would go well on a t-shirt.

  157. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Clement Pulaski


    Non-whites are superior to us in every way, but they can’t achieve anything without our help.

     

    Oh, that is well-stated.

    This paradox lies at the heart of progressive theology, in which the noble, powerful, enlightened (and of course white) SJW strives to act, and be recognized, as savior of The Other. The Other are both idealized, and yet not fully human; their motivations, actions, and beliefs are therefore irrelevant to the progressives' heretical Christian soteriological narrative.

    Replies: @Clement Pulaski

    The Other are both idealized, and yet not fully human;

    This fact came out when the “black lives matter” crowd got bent out of shape when liberals freaked out about Cecil the lion. “Why care about a lion when black men are being murdered by police?” they wondered. The answer is, that to white liberals, the poor lion and the poor blacks play the same role emotionally

  158. @donut
    Be careful Sailer I see that The Daily Stormer has a link to one of your posts at Vdare . You know what the MSM will do with that.

    Replies: @Sunbeam

    “Be careful Sailer I see that The Daily Stormer has a link to one of your posts at Vdare . You know what the MSM will do with that.”

    I have google skills, of course. But I don’t feel like exercising them (so I’ll expend effort on writing this post). Feel free to call me ignorant, but if I googled absolutely every reference I didn’t understand (like some Kardashian thing, saw a tabloid at the supermarket last night WhoTF is “Scott?”) I wouldn’t be doing anything else.

    What is the Daily Stormer (something to do with Stormfront)?

    I’m not sure from context if you are making a generic comment, or trying to needle Sailer. Either way is fine.

    But if you are a troll, could you guys please up your game? I know we all like to categorize people into boxes, but I think you would be surprised at the number of readers here who really aren’t clued in or really don’t care about things like you mentioned. And who don’t have the slightest idea what Hitler’s birthday was.

    • Replies: @donut
    @Sunbeam

    What are you , the hall monitor ? "I’m not sure from context if you are making a generic comment, or trying to needle Sailer. Either way is fine." If you're not sure then STFU . Sailer is a big boy and doesn't need the likes of you to to defend his honor . And I like to needle him every chance I get so he doesn't get a swollen head .

  159. @The Practical Conservative
    @Grumpy

    The Mall of America isn't actual demographic data. Anecdotes aren't, you know.

    Replies: @5371, @Dirk Dagger

    And your data, have you checked that it is statistically significant?

    • Replies: @The Practical Conservative
    @5371

    It's not my data, it's the census' data. Clearly that can't be as rigorous and statistically significant as someone's visit to a major tourist destination.

  160. @fish
    Can anybody confirm that Mark Dayton may be desperately mentally ill? There was some discussion at the voxday site about him needing a whole staff to keep him going and coherent?

    Replies: @Alice, @eddy

    Dayton’s countenance suggests that he is on, or needs, anti-depressant or anti-anxiety medications.

    He is a typical 1960’s rebel with daddy issues — hence the diametric contrast with his businessman father.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @eddy


    He is a typical 1960′s rebel with daddy issues — hence the diametric contrast with his businessman father.
     
    See also Bill Ayers.

    A common phenomenon.
  161. @22pp22
    Same over here.

    Southland (AKA Redneck Central) is NZ’s richest province in spite of the fact that all the high-paid government jobs are in Wellington and all the big companies have the head offices in Auckland. Southland also has a god-awful climate and dairy prices are low.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/72699448/southland-earnings-highest-in-new-zealand

    The highest school grades are in almost equally un-diverse Otago. Apparently this is a bad thing because all the kids will turn out like Dylan Roof. Is Dylan Roof’s home state really so homogeneous?

    http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/350237/white-flight-blights-tomorrows-schools

    Bogans aren't as bad as they're made out to be.

    Replies: @Paco Wové, @Kevin O'Keeffe

    Re that second article: Do white New Zealanders normally refer to themselves as “Pakeha”, or is that just an affectation of holier-than-thou lefties (like the “Dr. Gordon” quoted)? I ask because I have run into wet churchy types who kept referring to their country as “Aotearoa”, but I’ve never met sane-seeming kiwis who did that.

    • Replies: @22pp22
    @Paco Wové

    I use Pakeha or white interchangeably and I am the most unPC person on the planet. Aotearoa marks you out as a Leftie.

  162. @Anonymous
    Well, Minnesota's economy won't expand based on D - immigrants either.

    Replies: @415 reasons

    Either you’ve never had the pleasure of going to the West Bank of the University of Minnesota in Little Mogadishu or you’re grading on a curve if you give the Somalis a D-

  163. @jackson
    Paging Steve:
    http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2015/10/19/446085513/the-evidence-that-white-children-benefit-from-integrated-schools

    Replies: @415 reasons

    In one set of studies, Phillips gave small groups of three people a murder mystery to solve. Some of the groups were all white and others had a nonwhite member. The diverse groups were significantly more likely to find the right answer.

    NPR has been converted to self parody and I just didn’t get the memo right?

    • Replies: @Paco Wové
    @415 reasons

    NPR has been converted to self parody and I just didn’t get the memo right?

    The comments are even better; wall-to-wall earnest cat-lady. ("My kids went to a high school that was half black, half white. Since then they graduated university and have traveled widely, one of them in 25 countries." Lol. Apparently the magic of diversity extends even to making plane fares more affordable for its beneficiaries.)

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @415 reasons

    Reason, of course the diverse group solves the murder. White b 2 cowed to profile. The blacks knows that Treyshawn popped a cap on DeVonte's ass. Case solved.

  164. @The Practical Conservative
    @Grumpy

    The Mall of America isn't actual demographic data. Anecdotes aren't, you know.

    Replies: @5371, @Dirk Dagger

    Are too!

    ‘Data is not the plural of ‘anecdote’”
    • Comment: At any given time there is some catch-phrase from the rigorous social sciences that has escaped into common circulation. A couple of years ago it was “correlation does not imply causation.” Today’s favorite is: “‘data’ is not the plural of ‘anecdote.’”

    I’ve been hearing that a lot about my offending TakiMag piece, with reference to the many links I included.

    Well, fiddlesticks. In the first place, “data” actually is the plural of “anecdote.” When a researcher gathers data, he is gathering particular instances — anecdotes — of general phenomena. When the Department of Justice assembles the National Crime Victimization Survey, they do it by collecting anecdotes — individual people’s stories of crime victimization. A data set is just a mass of anecdotes.

    The trick is in the method. If you were to collect only anecdotes that pleased you for some reason, and ignored others, you would end up with a biased data set, not much use for objective inquiry into the phenomenon under investigation. (Though please note that, although biased, it is nonetheless data. So the plural of “anecdote” is “data” even in this case!) – John Derbyshire

  165. @Steve Sailer
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Mark Brandt Dayton:

    Badman tyrant dork.

    OK, that's pretty good.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Clyde, @Anonymous, @Desiderius

    I’ve been reading Macauley on the reign of James II. His imperious stupidity and obsession with importing Roman Catholics into England to change its polity reminds me of Dayton (and some other prog leaders of our time). The Tory elites in the established church and government loved James as long as he was trashing the law to go after the formerly powerful Whigs.

    Once he started promoting Roman Catholics over Tories though, it didn’t take long for them to turn on him and invite in William and Mary.

    So keep an eye out for big D donor demographics feeling the bite.

    • Replies: @Sunbeam
    @Desiderius

    "The Tory elites in the established church and government loved James as long as he was trashing the law to go after the formerly powerful Whigs.

    Once he started promoting Roman Catholics over Tories though, it didn’t take long for them to turn on him and invite in William and Mary.

    So keep an eye out for big D donor demographics feeling the bite."

    That's coming. I mean our own version of Carlos Slim.

    Going to be a real game changer when someone who wasn't even marginally created by the "system" gets the bucks to start throwing his weight around here like the Koch brothers, Soros, or so many more.

    Drawing a real blank on whether a super wealthy Chinese person would want to play that game. Campaign contributions (call them bribes like they are, but legal) out the wazoo, but micro level like the other guys... not sure that will happen though.

    To pull and adapt an idea from Bonfire, they think they are "Masters of the Universe." But in actuality they are hothouse plants, with a special status created by a system and luck. And it isn't going to last. And there are some hard men out there who will gladly take what these guys have now, if they are dumb enough to let them in on an even footing.

    , @Hibernian
    @Desiderius

    We Roman Catholics are the real Tories.

  166. @eddy
    @fish

    Dayton's countenance suggests that he is on, or needs, anti-depressant or anti-anxiety medications.

    He is a typical 1960's rebel with daddy issues -- hence the diametric contrast with his businessman father.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    He is a typical 1960′s rebel with daddy issues — hence the diametric contrast with his businessman father.

    See also Bill Ayers.

    A common phenomenon.

  167. @Wilkey
    "And anybody who cannot accept your right to be here, and this is Minnesota, should find another state."

    Politician tells citizens of representative democracy that they have no right to tell their representatives how they wish to be governed.

    This is really, sadly, not an uncommon expression. My hometown paper, owned by the Mormon Church, has expressed a similar attitude in probably dozens of editorials: 'immigration,' they say, 'should not be a political issue'- despite the fact that immigration policy is determined by our elected leaders.

    When they aren't telling us one lie after another about how immigration can't be controlled, they're telling us to STFU because it's none of our business. One really wishes Americans had more self-respect and was more inclined to tell these people where to go.

    Replies: @Rob McX, @snorlax, @Mr. Anon

    Didn’t liberals used to become hysterical about the phrase “America: Love it or leave it.”?

    • Replies: @TB2
    @snorlax

    "Used to" is the operative phrase here. Leftists have been calling their opponents un-American, etc. since the Clinton administration. And rightfully so since the country has belonged to them since that time. They get to define who and what a New American is. What is baffling is the white idiots, er uh, patriots who still prop up such a system. They're paying for the rope they're hanging from. They ought to hate the system just like the lefties used to when "love it or leave it" was aimed at them. But no, instead they often end up defending a system run by leftists from leftists, and defending a white-hating system from white-hating racists. Crazy.

  168. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    When I read such comments, I always wonder what future historians will make of this time. I feel that they will have a very hard time believing that whites were this insane. They will read the speeches and look at the policies and imagine that they're missing something, that no people would do this to themselves, so there must be another explanation.

    For that matter, do the Chinese watch the West in wonderment? Do their leaders sit back and laugh at the folly of their competition? If I was China, I wouldn't do anything to provoke the West. What's the point? Just wait another generation or two, and the U.S. will be Brazil - and Brazil isn't going to get in the way of China.

    A Dayton marries a Rockefeller and then finds a way to look down on middle-class whites for wanting to keep their communities intact and safe. Classic.

    Replies: @Bleuteaux, @anonymous, @Bill, @ben tillman

    They will read the speeches and look at the policies and imagine that they’re missing something, that no people would do this to themselves, so there must be another explanation.

    We should refer those historians to this page.

  169. @whorefinder
    It's like they believe that doubling down on stupid will make it work better.

    This reminds me of that wacky conspiracy theory that all elected officials and powerbrokers are secretly lizard people underneath and aren't human. They are instead lizard people-aliens out to enslave us.

    The more they talk like this, the more the lizard folks' theory doesn't sound so crazy.

    Replies: @Bill

    Metaphors: what are they really?

  170. @Desiderius
    @Steve Sailer

    I've been reading Macauley on the reign of James II. His imperious stupidity and obsession with importing Roman Catholics into England to change its polity reminds me of Dayton (and some other prog leaders of our time). The Tory elites in the established church and government loved James as long as he was trashing the law to go after the formerly powerful Whigs.

    Once he started promoting Roman Catholics over Tories though, it didn't take long for them to turn on him and invite in William and Mary.

    So keep an eye out for big D donor demographics feeling the bite.

    Replies: @Sunbeam, @Hibernian

    “The Tory elites in the established church and government loved James as long as he was trashing the law to go after the formerly powerful Whigs.

    Once he started promoting Roman Catholics over Tories though, it didn’t take long for them to turn on him and invite in William and Mary.

    So keep an eye out for big D donor demographics feeling the bite.”

    That’s coming. I mean our own version of Carlos Slim.

    Going to be a real game changer when someone who wasn’t even marginally created by the “system” gets the bucks to start throwing his weight around here like the Koch brothers, Soros, or so many more.

    Drawing a real blank on whether a super wealthy Chinese person would want to play that game. Campaign contributions (call them bribes like they are, but legal) out the wazoo, but micro level like the other guys… not sure that will happen though.

    To pull and adapt an idea from Bonfire, they think they are “Masters of the Universe.” But in actuality they are hothouse plants, with a special status created by a system and luck. And it isn’t going to last. And there are some hard men out there who will gladly take what these guys have now, if they are dumb enough to let them in on an even footing.

  171. @415 reasons
    @jackson


    In one set of studies, Phillips gave small groups of three people a murder mystery to solve. Some of the groups were all white and others had a nonwhite member. The diverse groups were significantly more likely to find the right answer.
     
    NPR has been converted to self parody and I just didn't get the memo right?

    Replies: @Paco Wové, @Buffalo Joe

    NPR has been converted to self parody and I just didn’t get the memo right?

    The comments are even better; wall-to-wall earnest cat-lady. (“My kids went to a high school that was half black, half white. Since then they graduated university and have traveled widely, one of them in 25 countries.” Lol. Apparently the magic of diversity extends even to making plane fares more affordable for its beneficiaries.)

  172. @Dennis Dale
    But seriously, how can Target sell more toilet paper without Minnesota taxpayers paying to import the surplus population of the Mad Max zones of the Horn of Africa? Think about it! Haven’t you studied demographics!

    It's appalling just how much low-human capital immigration is driven by corporations simply looking to expand the consumer base. It's the other side of the low wages impulse. They lower their labor costs and high-breeding third worlders buy more Huggies destined for landfills. It's the baby shit economy. Just as the cost of their insourced low wage earners is socialized, so is the cost of these new consumers. It's hard to tell where the stupid ends and the sinister begins.
    But the "not even from around here" line is supposed to be ours (the "xenophobes"); I mean, as far as I can tell, the Somalians are a long way from "around here". Does this guy have a clue about the irony of that? But of course it's all just who, whom, forever.

    Replies: @let it burn, @Dave Pinsen, @Harry Baldwin, @Lovernios X

    But of course it’s all just who, whom, forever.

    I was going to say it’s who, whom all the way down.

    • Replies: @Dennis Dale
    @Lovernios X

    Better. That should be a common expression.

  173. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "And don’t get the Governor of Minnesota started on white, C+, Minnesota-born citizens. Why are they even allowed to exist? (I mean other than to to consume a lot of crap sold by the Dayton-Rockefeller family businesses, Target and ExxonMobil?)"

    Speaking of which, former Chase-Manhattan executive David Rockefeller is still around. The final child of JDRockefeller Jr, is now in his hundredth year. Wonder if Governor Dayton is on familiar terms with David? Probably not as some, since MN is admittedly too far away from NYC to really matter. Thought maybe the gov had married one of David's daughters.

    Apparently he did not.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous, @Dirk Dagger

    Incidentally, I recall reading in a biography of the original John D. Rockefeller, the one who made the family fortune, that his goal in life was to become rich/a millionaire/the richest man in the world (something along those lines) and to live to be 100 years old. Also, his father or grandfather, I can’t remember which, was a notorious con-man in upstate New York and would go around as a travelling salesman selling fake remedies and potions and skipping town before the suckers he sold the fraudulent products to would realize they were conned. He was literally a snake oil salesman.

  174. Somalis cause problems and waste taxpayers’ money, therefore white people are bad.

    some of the racial issues happening in the St. Cloud area

    Do (never-described) “issues” actually “happen”?

  175. “It’s not that in Minnesota. It’s not going to be again. It’s not going to be that in St. Cloud, or Rochester or Worthington,” Dayton said.

    A high percentage (the majority?) of East Africans in Worthington, were actually initially settled in Sioux Falls (where, presumably, our leaders intended them to remain), but they can travel east on I-90, to the very first medium-sized city (Worthington), and get a much more generous welfare package, thanks to the good taxpayers of Minnesota. This is a fact for which we residents of Sioux Falls are extremely grateful. Kinda sucks for people born & raised in Worthington, however.

    • Replies: @Dennis Dale
    @Kevin O'Keeffe

    See how this might end? Regions that are dependency-magnets will be strained. First ones to start cutting back might shed some mooches, who migrate to those who don't, increasing the strain on them and causing them to cut back. Maybe a tipping point is reached and various former whitopias are all forced to slash services.

    It then becomes a national "civil rights issue". Maybe there's a movement to federalize all forms of welfare--it's so unfair, after all, that people in Sioux Falls or Dallas can't get the same services they get, or used to get, in Minnesota.
    Making it a civil rights issue will provide cover for those places overwhelmed by welfare dependent newcomers providing their best chance to get out from under the weight of the crisis they created--by making virtually anywhere in the US as attractive, welfare-wise, as anywhere else. Maybe. Or we could just stop bringing people in (ha ha, I know, I say crazy shit sometimes!).

    Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe

  176. @Dutchman
    There is a lot more going on here than economics. There is real hatred and hostility toward the people by the elite and these policies of ethnic cleansing are fueled far more by this than any economic incentive. Does anyone really believe that these replacements are going to improve the economy? No. We have a hostile elite motivated by hate, revenge, and a desire to humiliate us. Things are only going to get worse and a bloody civil war is on the horizon.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Everybody always says that: A civil/ethnic war is coming. Why would you believe that?

    California is now minority white – looking a lot like what the rest of the country will look like in 50 years. Do you see whites mobilizing in California? Are there white nationalist groups rising in California? No.

    The same is true in Texas. Heck, look at South Africa. Whites are 10% of the population and gets push around and killed. Are they fighting back? No.

    I agree that it seems that there should be a civil war at some point, but there are no signs that it’s coming.

    • Replies: @pyrrhus
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    There won't be violence until the heavily guarded elites try to take away the 350 million guns, and megatons of ammo in the US....But soon, they will be too weak to even try.

  177. @5371
    @The Practical Conservative

    And your data, have you checked that it is statistically significant?

    Replies: @The Practical Conservative

    It’s not my data, it’s the census’ data. Clearly that can’t be as rigorous and statistically significant as someone’s visit to a major tourist destination.

  178. @snorlax
    @Wilkey

    Didn't liberals used to become hysterical about the phrase "America: Love it or leave it."?

    Replies: @TB2

    “Used to” is the operative phrase here. Leftists have been calling their opponents un-American, etc. since the Clinton administration. And rightfully so since the country has belonged to them since that time. They get to define who and what a New American is. What is baffling is the white idiots, er uh, patriots who still prop up such a system. They’re paying for the rope they’re hanging from. They ought to hate the system just like the lefties used to when “love it or leave it” was aimed at them. But no, instead they often end up defending a system run by leftists from leftists, and defending a white-hating system from white-hating racists. Crazy.

  179. @Mike
    @Alice

    Heh...

    Weird governors in Minnesota...

    And their children. Rudy's daughter (google Mary Sue Perpich or Sue Perpich) tried to get me to do her homework back in college. She thought waving those boobs around was going to work for her.

    Also, Mark Dayton's brother John was a force behind one of the best restaurants to ever appear in Dallas: Routh Street Cafe. The place was the restaurant in town for ten years.

    I have one sister and her family left in Minnesota (the entire White Rock Kitchens clans was once living there). I'm going to have to check in to see how this attitude toward whites flies with her... If I remember correctly, she was a C student.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Mike, a “C” cup student or a “C” grade student. I would have helped her if the price was right.

  180. @Another Canadian
    @Another Canadian

    Uh, oh. We just elected Justin Trudeau as PM so you may want to just stay put for now.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Buffalo Joe

    Another Canadian, we in Western New York, anxiously await the hordes of Canadians crossing our border to shop for staples and clothes at reasonable prices. Trudeau will help our economy. I remember a photo, from years ago, of Margaret Trudeau, stoned and sitting splay legged on the floor at a rock concert, panty less with her hairy bush on full display….some things you can’t get out of your memory.

    • Replies: @Another Canadian
    @Buffalo Joe


    Another Canadian, we in Western New York, anxiously await the hordes of Canadians crossing our border to shop for staples and clothes at reasonable prices.
     
    Buffalo Joe, don't hold your breath. At $0.77 to the dollar, Wal-Mart in Cheektowaga is competing against Holt Renfrew in Toronto. The Rainbow Bridge to New York is quiet these days.

    I remember a photo, from years ago, of Margaret Trudeau, stoned and sitting splay legged on the floor at a rock concert, panty less with her hairy bush on full display….some things you can’t get out of your memory.
     
    Gives new meaning to the term "bush party."
  181. @415 reasons
    @jackson


    In one set of studies, Phillips gave small groups of three people a murder mystery to solve. Some of the groups were all white and others had a nonwhite member. The diverse groups were significantly more likely to find the right answer.
     
    NPR has been converted to self parody and I just didn't get the memo right?

    Replies: @Paco Wové, @Buffalo Joe

    Reason, of course the diverse group solves the murder. White b 2 cowed to profile. The blacks knows that Treyshawn popped a cap on DeVonte’s ass. Case solved.

  182. @22pp22
    Same over here.

    Southland (AKA Redneck Central) is NZ’s richest province in spite of the fact that all the high-paid government jobs are in Wellington and all the big companies have the head offices in Auckland. Southland also has a god-awful climate and dairy prices are low.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/72699448/southland-earnings-highest-in-new-zealand

    The highest school grades are in almost equally un-diverse Otago. Apparently this is a bad thing because all the kids will turn out like Dylan Roof. Is Dylan Roof’s home state really so homogeneous?

    http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/350237/white-flight-blights-tomorrows-schools

    Bogans aren't as bad as they're made out to be.

    Replies: @Paco Wové, @Kevin O'Keeffe

    “The highest school grades are in almost equally un-diverse Otago. Apparently this is a bad thing because all the kids will turn out like Dylan Roof. Is Dylan Roof’s home state really so homogeneous?”

    On the contrary, Dylan Roof was raised in South Carolina, one of the Blackest states in the Union, and was living in a majority-Black town at the time he committed his crimes.

  183. These kinds of issues really bring out the autism in Steve’s readership. Makes it very hard to talk about anything in a coherent manner.

  184. @Steve Sailer
    @Another Canadian

    So maybe the new Prime Minister Trudeau is really the son of Sir Mick or Ted Kennedy or, my bet, ... Ronnie Wood?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    So maybe the new Prime Minister Trudeau is really the son of Sir Mick or Ted Kennedy or, my bet, … Ronnie Wood?

    Justin Trudeau does kind of have Ronnie Wood’s hair…more so than Pierre Trudeau’s.

  185. @Rob McX
    Looking at someone like Dayton, you get the impression that great wealth (especially if it's inherited) isolates you from the consequences of your actions in a way that ordinary people can't grasp.

    Replies: @rod1963, @Olorin

    Jim Hightower liked to say of GW Bush that he was born on third base thinking he’d hit a triple.

  186. @Lovernios X
    @Dennis Dale


    But of course it’s all just who, whom, forever.
     
    I was going to say it's who, whom all the way down.

    Replies: @Dennis Dale

    Better. That should be a common expression.

  187. @Whiskey
    Its not the economy stupid, or the business opportunities of flooding Minnesota with low income Somalis. They won't be shopping at Target or buying much, and the taxes that WILL go up on corporations like Target will more than offset the paltry gains from Third World shoppers who will go to run down flea markets run by Somalis or other East Africans rather than Target. Which is obvious and which Dayton knows.

    Nope. Its Cultural Marxism. Or, rather as Steve has pointed out many times, WASP Adventurism. Dayton has tried and found wanting his own people. Too "boring," too "B+" and thus worthy of extermination. That's the downside of WASP out-marrying and Adventuring in Hawaii or China. Look at Mark Zuckerberg, same thing except Zuck wants to the Great White Bwana of China, even marrying a Chinese wife and making pathetic attempts at Mandarin which reportedly is unintelligble gibberish to an actual Mandarin speaker.

    Anti-White behavior is just another aspect of Adventurism. Outmarrying. A way for White people to adopt a non-White identity, to express their disdain at distant relatives.

    And as Merkel shows, it only takes one leader to flood a nation or a state with Third World so that White natives are a discriminated minority within a year. Maybe two.

    White people in this country have to be realistic. There is NO chance to turn this around, not even with Trump. Which Obama will NEVER allow (he'll simply suspend elections and rule by decree). El Jebe will be if possible, even worse than Obama. Same with Mittens, or Rubio or any of those clowns. Someone like Paul Ryan could open the borders wide open even more so than now and get us say, 100 million Africans just to start. We ARE a minority, forever and ever, in our own lands and everyone else's. [Ryan would do it too, he hate hate hates White people like a double dose of Avatar and Stanley Anne Dunham.]

    So absent converting to Judaism (not my taste, and Israel is not my country anyway), the only thing left to do is prepare to fight, and fight at every and all turns. What do you think the Walking Dead is REALLY about anyway? Or all those post-disaster movies? About White people in America in a few years, where we are officially third class serfs (save a lucky few who can adopt honorary non-White status).

    Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe

    “There is NO chance to turn this around, not even with Trump. Which Obama will NEVER allow (he’ll simply suspend elections and rule by decree).”

    I’m sorry, but if you believe that, you’re living in a fantasy realm, not reality. Trump should definitely have excellent security around him (after what happened to Pim Fortuyn), but the idea Obama is going to pull a Fujimori-style “self coup,” is ludicrous nonsense. Its kid stuff.

  188. @bjdubbs
    There are definite stages to the insanity. First it's the "we love ethnic food!" stage. Then the "sure there are problems but we were all immigrants once" stage. Then it's the denial and denunciation stage - wreckers are upsetting the peace and harmony, the immigrants are not at all to blame. Then the "we have no choice, this is the future" stage, where Minnesota appears to be now. Then the move to the suburbs. Finally the move to Portland, before it gets too expensive.

    Replies: @Rob McX

    First it’s the “we love ethnic food!” stage.

    Whence comes this idea that white people can’t copy foreign cuisine and do it themselves? Nobody dares suggest that non-whites can’t build cars, computers, nuclear reactors, etc. that were invented by whites. But if an Englishman wants kebabs, there’s nothing for it but to bring in Abdul from Pakistan, along with his two pregnant wives and extended family.

  189. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "And don’t get the Governor of Minnesota started on white, C+, Minnesota-born citizens. Why are they even allowed to exist? (I mean other than to to consume a lot of crap sold by the Dayton-Rockefeller family businesses, Target and ExxonMobil?)"

    Speaking of which, former Chase-Manhattan executive David Rockefeller is still around. The final child of JDRockefeller Jr, is now in his hundredth year. Wonder if Governor Dayton is on familiar terms with David? Probably not as some, since MN is admittedly too far away from NYC to really matter. Thought maybe the gov had married one of David's daughters.

    Apparently he did not.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous, @Dirk Dagger

    Alida Ferry Rockefeller Dayton Messinger is the daughter of J.D. Rockefeller III (that makes her a fourth-generation member of the Rockefeller family or “the cousins” in their terminology), her bother Jay (J.D. Rockefeller IV) bought himself a slightly used seat in the United States Senate in 1984 (from West Virginia (?), hey, it was cheap). Jay and Dayton served for the benefit of the little people in the senate together when …

    October 12, 2004. That morning, Dayton, a freshman Democratic senator from Minnesota, appeared in front of a line of TV cameras and announced that in the coming weeks the Capitol would likely be the target of a terrorist attack. He knew this, he said, because of classified information he and his Senate colleagues had received, and, as a safety precaution, he was closing his Washington office for the fall recess and sending his staff elsewhere until after the following month’s election.

    In the hours that followed, nearly every congressman, Bush administration spokesman, and law enforcement official within earshot of a reporter delivered a unified response, the gist of which was that Mark Dayton was crazy. Charles Homans in The New Republic, Eeyore for Governor

  190. @Kevin O'Keeffe
    “It’s not that in Minnesota. It’s not going to be again. It’s not going to be that in St. Cloud, or Rochester or Worthington,” Dayton said.

    A high percentage (the majority?) of East Africans in Worthington, were actually initially settled in Sioux Falls (where, presumably, our leaders intended them to remain), but they can travel east on I-90, to the very first medium-sized city (Worthington), and get a much more generous welfare package, thanks to the good taxpayers of Minnesota. This is a fact for which we residents of Sioux Falls are extremely grateful. Kinda sucks for people born & raised in Worthington, however.

    Replies: @Dennis Dale

    See how this might end? Regions that are dependency-magnets will be strained. First ones to start cutting back might shed some mooches, who migrate to those who don’t, increasing the strain on them and causing them to cut back. Maybe a tipping point is reached and various former whitopias are all forced to slash services.

    It then becomes a national “civil rights issue”. Maybe there’s a movement to federalize all forms of welfare–it’s so unfair, after all, that people in Sioux Falls or Dallas can’t get the same services they get, or used to get, in Minnesota.
    Making it a civil rights issue will provide cover for those places overwhelmed by welfare dependent newcomers providing their best chance to get out from under the weight of the crisis they created–by making virtually anywhere in the US as attractive, welfare-wise, as anywhere else. Maybe. Or we could just stop bringing people in (ha ha, I know, I say crazy shit sometimes!).

    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
    @Dennis Dale

    "See how this might end? Regions that are dependency-magnets will be strained. First ones to start cutting back might shed some mooches, who migrate to those who don’t, increasing the strain on them and causing them to cut back. Maybe a tipping point is reached and various former whitopias are all forced to slash services.

    It then becomes a national “civil rights issue”. Maybe there’s a movement to federalize all forms of welfare–it’s so unfair, after all, that people in Sioux Falls or Dallas can’t get the same services they get, or used to get, in Minnesota.
    Making it a civil rights issue will provide cover for those places overwhelmed by welfare dependent newcomers providing their best chance to get out from under the weight of the crisis they created–by making virtually anywhere in the US as attractive, welfare-wise, as anywhere else."

    It'd likely require both a Democratic President and a Democratic Congress in order to actually get it passed, but yeah, I could totally see that happening.

  191. @Another Canadian
    @Steve Sailer

    No, I don't think so, but I recall his mother knew a few band members back in the day!

    The Justin Trudeau Song

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @William BadWhite

    and his mother fellated Geraldo Rivera in a canoe. If Geraldo is to be believed.

  192. @Dennis Dale
    @Kevin O'Keeffe

    See how this might end? Regions that are dependency-magnets will be strained. First ones to start cutting back might shed some mooches, who migrate to those who don't, increasing the strain on them and causing them to cut back. Maybe a tipping point is reached and various former whitopias are all forced to slash services.

    It then becomes a national "civil rights issue". Maybe there's a movement to federalize all forms of welfare--it's so unfair, after all, that people in Sioux Falls or Dallas can't get the same services they get, or used to get, in Minnesota.
    Making it a civil rights issue will provide cover for those places overwhelmed by welfare dependent newcomers providing their best chance to get out from under the weight of the crisis they created--by making virtually anywhere in the US as attractive, welfare-wise, as anywhere else. Maybe. Or we could just stop bringing people in (ha ha, I know, I say crazy shit sometimes!).

    Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe

    “See how this might end? Regions that are dependency-magnets will be strained. First ones to start cutting back might shed some mooches, who migrate to those who don’t, increasing the strain on them and causing them to cut back. Maybe a tipping point is reached and various former whitopias are all forced to slash services.

    It then becomes a national “civil rights issue”. Maybe there’s a movement to federalize all forms of welfare–it’s so unfair, after all, that people in Sioux Falls or Dallas can’t get the same services they get, or used to get, in Minnesota.
    Making it a civil rights issue will provide cover for those places overwhelmed by welfare dependent newcomers providing their best chance to get out from under the weight of the crisis they created–by making virtually anywhere in the US as attractive, welfare-wise, as anywhere else.”

    It’d likely require both a Democratic President and a Democratic Congress in order to actually get it passed, but yeah, I could totally see that happening.

  193. @Desiderius
    @Steve Sailer

    I've been reading Macauley on the reign of James II. His imperious stupidity and obsession with importing Roman Catholics into England to change its polity reminds me of Dayton (and some other prog leaders of our time). The Tory elites in the established church and government loved James as long as he was trashing the law to go after the formerly powerful Whigs.

    Once he started promoting Roman Catholics over Tories though, it didn't take long for them to turn on him and invite in William and Mary.

    So keep an eye out for big D donor demographics feeling the bite.

    Replies: @Sunbeam, @Hibernian

    We Roman Catholics are the real Tories.

  194. @The Practical Conservative
    The median household income for black foreign born unmarried Minnesotan families with no children is 130k for 2014. They represent 14% of Minnesota's foreign born black families.

    I wonder if that's part of it, only exposure to that section of foreign born black Minnesota.

    Replies: @ren

    The median household income for black foreign born unmarried Minnesotan families with no children is 130k for 2014. They represent 14% of Minnesota’s foreign born black families.

    Can you share a link to that info?

    • Replies: @The Practical Conservative
    @ren

    http://www.census.gov/cps/data/cpstablecreator.html

    You'll have to pull it up for Minnesota, but it's there. That link is to a tool that generates tables at the national or state level for a bunch of the Current Population Survey variables. It doesn't do a great job of letting you capture the tables, since they have a different setup for that (ah, government redundancy).

    I went there to confirm the usual supposition that foreign-born black household income is low in Minnesota and it is, except in the instance I've described. I posted precisely because I wasn't expecting to see that show up in the data. Can't get an ethnic breakdown but I strongly doubt those 4700 or so households are Somali.

  195. I agree that it seems that there should be a civil war at some point, but there are no signs that it’s coming.

    Indeed.

    Behold the power of propaganda.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Alice in Wanderland

    Two ethnic groups can either fight or merge. The latter will happen with Hispanics. They will simply all intermarry with whites. There won't be many black-white marriages relative to overall numbers so that leaves room for conflict.

  196. The article raises a few questions for me:

    1. What precipitated all this? Something happen in St. Cloud?

    2. The Pols (R/D) seem love immigration because they want to act like the hero in the civil rights movie they watched as a kid. (Much more fun than, you know, cold analysis.)

    3. Funny how the elites passion for immigration *reform* just happens to be good for their business.

    4. Calling someone a bigot is now a checkmate argument, that’s it.

    5. I am amazed that Donald Trump is the only person who can point out the obvious.

    PostScript – Saw on Breitbart some quotes by Paul Ryan. He believes the US is more than it’s borders and that you should be able to hire any employee you want and they should be able to …
    I forget what, their now citizens or should be able to live here or something…. This guy is a Republican? And he’s the prime candidate for leader?

    My name must be Ooof.

  197. @Popeye Goyle
    Off-topic.

    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-saudi-prince-beverly-hills-20151019-story.html

    Replies: @asdf

    I’m kind of impressed this story has got as much coverage as it has.

    How many times do we need to tell you people – immigrants aren’t criminals! (Ok, except for this one. But to be fair, he’s rich and the Saudi family is friends with the Bush’s, who are the worst of Frat boys. So this doesn’t count.)

  198. @Steve Sailer
    @2Mintzin1

    These quotes are almost a week old now. Has this story been picked up anywhere outside of St. Cloud?

    Replies: @Leftist conservative, @2Mintzin1, @WGG, @Mark Minter, @Alice

    Tonight, the Star Tribune ran the story in typical “democrat operatives with bylines” fashion. But the bloggers at Powerline picked it up tonight. They claim based on that article, but perhaps based on Sailer! And powerline blog surely has more readers than the Strib 😉

  199. @whorefinder
    @Je Suis Charlie Martel


    since in Long Lake he was deprived of access to cricket, soccer, and flaming tire-necklacing…
     
    Ya know, I actually feel bad that he was deprived of all of those things.

    Replies: @pyrrhus

    There is still time for Dayton to experience those valuable things….

  200. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Dutchman

    Everybody always says that: A civil/ethnic war is coming. Why would you believe that?

    California is now minority white - looking a lot like what the rest of the country will look like in 50 years. Do you see whites mobilizing in California? Are there white nationalist groups rising in California? No.

    The same is true in Texas. Heck, look at South Africa. Whites are 10% of the population and gets push around and killed. Are they fighting back? No.

    I agree that it seems that there should be a civil war at some point, but there are no signs that it's coming.

    Replies: @pyrrhus

    There won’t be violence until the heavily guarded elites try to take away the 350 million guns, and megatons of ammo in the US….But soon, they will be too weak to even try.

  201. I’m going to bring up the Mall of America again, because it’s an interesting case study.

    The mall was opened in 1992, next to the Minneapolis-St. Paul international airport. It was meant to be both a destination for shopping-obsessed Minnesotans and a tourist attraction. (Japanese travelers flying from Northwest Airlines’ Tokyo hub could shop at the mall during MSP stopovers.)

    It had ambitions of attracting both middle and upper-middle class shoppers. The original anchor stores were Bloomingdale’s, Nordstrom, Macy’s, and Sears.

    In the 1990 census, 93.7% of Minnesotans were non-Hispanic white. Today, about 81% of Minnesotans are non-Hispanic white. In 2011, the first big riots (viewable on YouTube) in the mall broke out. In 2012, Bloomingdale’s abandoned the mall. In 2014, a swarm of “Black Lives Matter” protesters brought the place to a standstill.

    Ironically, the protesters were probably whiter, on average, than typical Mall of America visitors and employees. As demographics have changed, as indoor malls have gone out of fashion, and as urban decay has spread to suburbia, the Mall of America has gone down-market and the crowds it attracts have changed. (You don’t see Japanese tourists or upper-middle class shoppers.)

    A multi-phase expansion is making the mall even bigger now, and maybe the developers have some tricks up their sleeves, but how the new Minnesotans treat an even more gigantic shopping mall will be interesting to see.

    • Replies: @The Practical Conservative
    @Grumpy

    It's actually closer to 79%. There's been a surprisingly huge increase in Native Americans. Hispanics (of all races), blacks and Asians are all 4-5% apiece, plus the weird huge increase in Native Americans to about 2.5%. Throw in "two or more races" at about 2% and there you have it.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Grumpy

    Perhaps someday those large indoor malls will serve the purpose that soccer stadiums do in latin America - housing prisoners.

  202. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Mark Brandt Dayton (born January 26, 1947)…”

    So, 20 years old in 1967. A true 60s baby. Some people got stuck there.

    People stuck in the 60s assume that no matter what happens, the US is going to always be able to afford it. Nothing is too expensive or too hard. It’s the Atomic age! The Space Age! The Age of the Pill! The TV age! Everything is optional. Everything is doable. It’s almost the opposite of a conspiracy theory. Well, of course we could (end world hunger/poverty/cancer/bad-feelings) if we _really_ wanted to.

  203. @ren
    @The Practical Conservative


    The median household income for black foreign born unmarried Minnesotan families with no children is 130k for 2014. They represent 14% of Minnesota’s foreign born black families.

     

    Can you share a link to that info?

    Replies: @The Practical Conservative

    http://www.census.gov/cps/data/cpstablecreator.html

    You’ll have to pull it up for Minnesota, but it’s there. That link is to a tool that generates tables at the national or state level for a bunch of the Current Population Survey variables. It doesn’t do a great job of letting you capture the tables, since they have a different setup for that (ah, government redundancy).

    I went there to confirm the usual supposition that foreign-born black household income is low in Minnesota and it is, except in the instance I’ve described. I posted precisely because I wasn’t expecting to see that show up in the data. Can’t get an ethnic breakdown but I strongly doubt those 4700 or so households are Somali.

  204. Mark Dayton didn’t mention the future diversity votes he can capture for Democrat politicians.

    Shouldn’t the dirty diversity scheme goals be obvious to everyone by now?

  205. @Grumpy
    I'm going to bring up the Mall of America again, because it's an interesting case study.

    The mall was opened in 1992, next to the Minneapolis-St. Paul international airport. It was meant to be both a destination for shopping-obsessed Minnesotans and a tourist attraction. (Japanese travelers flying from Northwest Airlines' Tokyo hub could shop at the mall during MSP stopovers.)

    It had ambitions of attracting both middle and upper-middle class shoppers. The original anchor stores were Bloomingdale's, Nordstrom, Macy's, and Sears.

    In the 1990 census, 93.7% of Minnesotans were non-Hispanic white. Today, about 81% of Minnesotans are non-Hispanic white. In 2011, the first big riots (viewable on YouTube) in the mall broke out. In 2012, Bloomingdale's abandoned the mall. In 2014, a swarm of "Black Lives Matter" protesters brought the place to a standstill.

    Ironically, the protesters were probably whiter, on average, than typical Mall of America visitors and employees. As demographics have changed, as indoor malls have gone out of fashion, and as urban decay has spread to suburbia, the Mall of America has gone down-market and the crowds it attracts have changed. (You don't see Japanese tourists or upper-middle class shoppers.)

    A multi-phase expansion is making the mall even bigger now, and maybe the developers have some tricks up their sleeves, but how the new Minnesotans treat an even more gigantic shopping mall will be interesting to see.

    Replies: @The Practical Conservative, @Mr. Anon

    It’s actually closer to 79%. There’s been a surprisingly huge increase in Native Americans. Hispanics (of all races), blacks and Asians are all 4-5% apiece, plus the weird huge increase in Native Americans to about 2.5%. Throw in “two or more races” at about 2% and there you have it.

  206. ““Our economy cannot expand based on white, B+, Minnesota-born citizens. We don’t have enough,””

    Note – take ‘white’ and replace it with ‘black’. Does this sound bigoted? Sounds sharecropper to me…

    (To generalize – as above, do the opposite – take ‘black’ and replace with ‘white’. Does that sound bigoted? )

    No MSM story ever passes this test.

    Sorry if I’m racist to bring it up. Seems obvious though. Which, I admit, makes it doubly racist. (I blame the rationalist schooling I had years ago…)

  207. @Alice in Wanderland



    I agree that it seems that there should be a civil war at some point, but there are no signs that it’s coming.
     
    Indeed.

    Behold the power of propaganda.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Two ethnic groups can either fight or merge. The latter will happen with Hispanics. They will simply all intermarry with whites. There won’t be many black-white marriages relative to overall numbers so that leaves room for conflict.

  208. “If you are that intolerant, if you are that much of a racist or a bigot, then find another state. Find a state where the minority population is 1 percent or whatever.”

    Good luck with that. Not many left.

    Seriously though, can Dayton actually explain in great detail how welfare dependent Somalian immigrants are a benefit to Minnesota or America in general?

    “Our economy cannot expand based on white, B+, Minnesota-born citizens. We don’t have enough,” Dayton said.

    Well try encouraging these white, B+, Minnesota-born citizens to have more kids. Affordable family formation and all that.

  209. @Chrisnonymous
    @ABN


    “Let the Nordic suckers of Minnesota do to themselves what their kin in Europe are currently doing.” It’s sad to see mass immigration befall a peaceful, well-governed, high-trust social democracy, but at the end of the day, people should get the govt they deserve.
     
    Sometimes I feel the same, but the reality is actually more complex.

    My Norwegian relatives are climate-skeptical, pro-American free thinkers. In the European elites' Kang and Kodos system, there is nowhere for people to go and little people can do.

    My Minnesotan relatives voted for Democrats historically because it wasn't always clear that leftists would end up trying to demographically replace them. There are other issues they cared about besides immigration, especially 10,20,30 years ago.

    Just as Vermont has its flatlanders in metropolitan areas that skew Vermont politics, I suspect Minnesota has plenty of not-as-flatlanders in Minneapolis. In fact, I know some.

    The current politics in Scandinavian states is a result of different historical circumstances coming together. I can't blame them for their lack of crystal balls.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    Crystal balls aren’t the only kind they lack.

  210. @Reg Cæsar
    @Mr. Anon



    “Somalians are moochers.”

    That’s a little unfair, isn’t it? They are also terrorists and pirates.

     

    It comes with the Islam.

    But say the same about Palestinians, and all of a sudden you're kissing rabbinical tusch. Double standards apply here as anywhere else. The P-word turns the Bull Connors into Ramsey Clarks.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    “But say the same about Palestinians, and all of a sudden you’re kissing rabbinical tusch.”

    You might seem to be if you force them into a discussion about an entirely different topic.

    And actually, it doesn’t necessarily come with the Islam. Malays and Indonesians don’t behave as obnoxiously as do Somalis or many Arabs.

    I don’t want my country to be beset by old, middle-eastern suabbles, either forced on us by Palestinians, or by those who oppose Palestinians.

  211. @Wilkey
    "And anybody who cannot accept your right to be here, and this is Minnesota, should find another state."

    Politician tells citizens of representative democracy that they have no right to tell their representatives how they wish to be governed.

    This is really, sadly, not an uncommon expression. My hometown paper, owned by the Mormon Church, has expressed a similar attitude in probably dozens of editorials: 'immigration,' they say, 'should not be a political issue'- despite the fact that immigration policy is determined by our elected leaders.

    When they aren't telling us one lie after another about how immigration can't be controlled, they're telling us to STFU because it's none of our business. One really wishes Americans had more self-respect and was more inclined to tell these people where to go.

    Replies: @Rob McX, @snorlax, @Mr. Anon

    “This is really, sadly, not an uncommon expression. My hometown paper, owned by the Mormon Church, has expressed a similar attitude in probably dozens of editorials: ‘immigration,’ they say, ‘should not be a political issue’- despite the fact that immigration policy is determined by our elected leaders.”

    My “hometown” paper is owned by a jewish-owned New York media company. They are similarly dedicated to the proposition that we are entitled to their opinions.

  212. @Grumpy
    I'm going to bring up the Mall of America again, because it's an interesting case study.

    The mall was opened in 1992, next to the Minneapolis-St. Paul international airport. It was meant to be both a destination for shopping-obsessed Minnesotans and a tourist attraction. (Japanese travelers flying from Northwest Airlines' Tokyo hub could shop at the mall during MSP stopovers.)

    It had ambitions of attracting both middle and upper-middle class shoppers. The original anchor stores were Bloomingdale's, Nordstrom, Macy's, and Sears.

    In the 1990 census, 93.7% of Minnesotans were non-Hispanic white. Today, about 81% of Minnesotans are non-Hispanic white. In 2011, the first big riots (viewable on YouTube) in the mall broke out. In 2012, Bloomingdale's abandoned the mall. In 2014, a swarm of "Black Lives Matter" protesters brought the place to a standstill.

    Ironically, the protesters were probably whiter, on average, than typical Mall of America visitors and employees. As demographics have changed, as indoor malls have gone out of fashion, and as urban decay has spread to suburbia, the Mall of America has gone down-market and the crowds it attracts have changed. (You don't see Japanese tourists or upper-middle class shoppers.)

    A multi-phase expansion is making the mall even bigger now, and maybe the developers have some tricks up their sleeves, but how the new Minnesotans treat an even more gigantic shopping mall will be interesting to see.

    Replies: @The Practical Conservative, @Mr. Anon

    Perhaps someday those large indoor malls will serve the purpose that soccer stadiums do in latin America – housing prisoners.

  213. @Buffalo Joe
    @Another Canadian

    Another Canadian, we in Western New York, anxiously await the hordes of Canadians crossing our border to shop for staples and clothes at reasonable prices. Trudeau will help our economy. I remember a photo, from years ago, of Margaret Trudeau, stoned and sitting splay legged on the floor at a rock concert, panty less with her hairy bush on full display....some things you can't get out of your memory.

    Replies: @Another Canadian

    Another Canadian, we in Western New York, anxiously await the hordes of Canadians crossing our border to shop for staples and clothes at reasonable prices.

    Buffalo Joe, don’t hold your breath. At $0.77 to the dollar, Wal-Mart in Cheektowaga is competing against Holt Renfrew in Toronto. The Rainbow Bridge to New York is quiet these days.

    I remember a photo, from years ago, of Margaret Trudeau, stoned and sitting splay legged on the floor at a rock concert, panty less with her hairy bush on full display….some things you can’t get out of your memory.

    Gives new meaning to the term “bush party.”

  214. As several commenters have already pointed out, it isn’t just about economics and wanting “growth.” This guy really doesn’t like white people, or to be more precise, the idea of white people asserting their identity or interests.

    Now, statements like that get the Salon crowd rolling their eyes, and on it’s face, I admit it seems a bit much. For instance, I doubt this guy Dayton, as awful as he is, refuses to kiss little white babies when campaigning.

    No, it’s just that in 2015 “whiteness,” or looking out for the “interests of white people,” specifically as those interests conflict with living around people of color, is an unpardonable sin, right up their with sexism, bullying, not believing in global warm…, excuse me, “climate change.” And the Governor Daytons of the world know this.

    Ask yourself a simple question: “Why, exactly, do you not want Somalis or Mexicans or Eritreans replacing your Scandinavian neighbors? Why? Since we are all equal biologically and in God’s eyes, the only reason you don’t want them moving next door is because you hold a bigoted, irrational fear of people with dark skin, just like those horrible people who were so mean to Jackie Robinson or Emmett Till. Haven’t you seen that movie with Oprah? Or Mississippi Burning?”

    The answer is terribly gauche, and even Steve, or Derb, or most of the VDare crowd would be reluctant to go here, but it’s because white people, on average, behave much better than black Africans. Hence, you have Iceland v. Liberia.

    It really is as simple as that, but good luck saying that in public. Remember what happened when Pat Buchanan suggested Englishmen might assimilate into Virginia better than Zulus? Anyone with mental powers greater than those of a barnacle knows it’s true, but he was lambasted for it.

    Which brings us back to Governor Dayton. What he said outraged and angered us. But he knows damn well that if pressed on the issue, he can blast our serve back over the net and pin us in the “We don’t want Jackie Robinson on our ball field” corner.

  215. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...
    Someone should ask the filthy rich, born-into-wealth, Yale-educated (probably a BA in sociology) faux prole Mark Brandt Dayton, what percent of the populations of his block, his immediate neighborhood, and his ZIP Code Area are drawn from the vibrantly diverse scum that he wants to impose on all those Minnesotans not wealthy enough, as he is, to afford places of refuge from his thoughtless "policies". OTOH, as Mencken once wrote, democracy is that form of government where the people get exactly what they want -- good and hard. Some majority of the citizens of Minnesota elected this sad relic of the '60s; to office again and again and again. Now both their more innocent fellow citizens and they must pay the full price for their pigheaded stupidity.

    Replies: @Louis Renault, @Je Suis Charlie Martel, @Olorin, @anon

    Some majority of the citizens of Minnesota elected this sad relic of the ’60s; to office again and again and again. Now both their more innocent fellow citizens and they must pay the full price for their pigheaded stupidity.

    The media lie about the problems.

    If the media told the truth there would still be a minority who refused to believe it but everyone in the middle would vote for immigration restriction.

    If the media told the truth.

  216. @Grumpy
    @The Practical Conservative

    Five minutes at the Mall of America should cure you of your optimism.

    Replies: @The Practical Conservative, @Reg Cæsar

    White folks with full minivans don’t go to MOA, there’s a special guest. They go to the new outlet mall, which is outdrawing its older sister in the exurbs.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Reg Cæsar

    Let me amend that. I was just in the Barnes & Noble at MOA, and everyone there was white. So it's nuanced.

    JR Cremp's boutique (and refreshingly "sexist") store for active boys would also be whitopian, but was empty on visits there. Except for the pretty coeds behind the register. (They understand the Cub Scout mind.)

    Also, the word "unless" got erased in that comment, and that kind of thing makes the loss of the Edit function painful.

  217. @Paco Wové
    @22pp22

    Re that second article: Do white New Zealanders normally refer to themselves as "Pakeha", or is that just an affectation of holier-than-thou lefties (like the "Dr. Gordon" quoted)? I ask because I have run into wet churchy types who kept referring to their country as "Aotearoa", but I've never met sane-seeming kiwis who did that.

    Replies: @22pp22

    I use Pakeha or white interchangeably and I am the most unPC person on the planet. Aotearoa marks you out as a Leftie.

  218. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “The latter will happen with Hispanics. They will simply all intermarry with whites. “

    Latin American experience suggests that won’t happen, at least not completely. The top elite, say 10%, will remain white, while the rest become Hispanized lumpen-proles. Except at the top, whites will largely disappear as identifiable people, because there are so many more Hispanics then whites (in the entire hemisphere).

    But there will probably be as many white conquistador-Americanos as ever.

  219. Search for Chisholm + Owoidighe I. Ekanem, 34

    Governor Pill Popper should be deported to Africa.

  220. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    When I read such comments, I always wonder what future historians will make of this time. I feel that they will have a very hard time believing that whites were this insane. They will read the speeches and look at the policies and imagine that they're missing something, that no people would do this to themselves, so there must be another explanation.

    For that matter, do the Chinese watch the West in wonderment? Do their leaders sit back and laugh at the folly of their competition? If I was China, I wouldn't do anything to provoke the West. What's the point? Just wait another generation or two, and the U.S. will be Brazil - and Brazil isn't going to get in the way of China.

    A Dayton marries a Rockefeller and then finds a way to look down on middle-class whites for wanting to keep their communities intact and safe. Classic.

    Replies: @Bleuteaux, @anonymous, @Bill, @ben tillman

    They will read the speeches and look at the policies and imagine that they’re missing something, that no people would do this to themselves, so there must be another explanation.

    There is another explanation, and thanks to Pasteur and Koch they would probably know what it is.

  221. @km
    Why do whites deserve anything else? Yes, it's all about money, and in the most banal and cynical manner imaginable. Toilet paper indeed! But average whites are, by and large, emotionally and ideologically in favour of this process of demographic change and replacement. Unlike Americans, who are basically locked into a rigged two-party system controlled by oligarchs, there is more leeway for genuine democratic expression in the Commonwealth and Europe. Tonight, Canadians are likely to elect a two-time college drop-out, an imbecile who is the son of the man who imposed multiculturalism on the country. Justin Trudeau has promised to expedite more Muslims into Canada and to uphold the 'right' of women to veil their faces. Toronto is now a majority non-white city in the most boring way possible, yet in the few neighbourhoods where WASPs still congregate, the electoral signs on the front lawns indicate support for Trudeau or his socialist contender -- not the Tories. Toronto's few remaining white Christians are absolutely committed to being reduced to a tiny minority in a city their ancestors built. We have the rather bizarre situation where urban Jews are more right-wing than urban WASPs! Something similar can be said for Europe. Why do the Swedes deserve to live in a Swedish Sweden? The Swedes have had plenty of opportunities to vote against the socialist social engineers, but they would rather their welfare goodies than the preservation of their society. Raising children and going to work are hard! The same can be said for the French, Dutch, Brits, etc. It may not be that elections matter much in the end, but even at the level of protest all these populations, unlike Americans, have been presented with restrictionist and nationalist alternatives for years. They have repeatedly rejected them, because they prefer to live their fantasies.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    Why do whites deserve anything else? Yes, it’s all about money, and in the most banal and cynical manner imaginable. Toilet paper indeed! But average whites are, by and large, emotionally and ideologically in favour of this process of demographic change and replacement.

    Nothing could be further from the truth.

    Ask people: Do you believe the population of this country should be changed so that there are no white people in Canada?

    Try it, and report back to us. I would be stunned if even 1% of whites responded in the affirmative.

    • Replies: @Romanian
    @ben tillman

    Try it like this - without ever forcing the exile or the harm of a White in Canada, do you find it abhorrent to share the country with deserving and vibrant immigrants who did not have your Western privilege, even if it means the loss of majority status in the population?

    I think the key here is that people don't realize what immigration means in terms of dispossession. White childlessness, questions of affordable family formation aside, is the result of White choices and is internalized as such. So long as nobody is actively targeting Whites for genocide, sterilization, displacement (viewed not in the context of Average Joe jobs, even as the displacement in the upper reaches of government or boardrooms is seen as fitting, just deserts, the wheel of history, rectification of a historical wrong etc), most people won't bat an eyelash because they fear outing themselves as un-PC for what? The immature and xenophobic desire for a Whitopia? Basically, Euros are staking out private demesnes for their individual selves, while ignoring the shrinking of their allotment of the commonweal.

    PS A very Sailerbaitish article + hints of Chateau Heartiste

    http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/10/stanford-business-school-sex-scandal


    "Partly it’s because the GSB (Stanford Business School) is an astonishingly atomized, antisocial place, more a loose confederation of independent contractors than a community. As long as he or she funds their projects and leaves them alone, the dean is quite immaterial to them. (my note: future NAM America) (Since Saloner took the job, the G.S.B. has raised more than $500 million.) Saloner clearly knew as much; recounting to Gruenfeld how he’d just asked Phil Knight—the Nike co-founder and a G.S.B. alum, who helped bankroll its new campus with a $105 million gift—to speak at commencement, he texted, “We r developing a great relationship. So so good. That’s my job really.”

    Partly it’s because the students, their futures guaranteed simply by having gotten into the place, aren’t engaged enough even to gossip. Their seeming insouciance may account for the intermittent scandals, such as the Stanford business student charged with vehicular manslaughter and felony drunk driving after crashing into a taxi and killing a passenger not long ago, or regular weekend bacchanals in Las Vegas. Partly it’s the press: there’s not much left of it in the Bay Area, and The Stanford Daily has proved supine: “Not quite the [Harvard] Crimson, which would have printed this story gleefully years ago,” a former business-school student, one of the few to learn about and follow the Phills case, complained on her blog. Partly it’s the reluctance to challenge conventional wisdom: since everyone connected to so hot a place looks good, no one wants to take it down. And partly it’s fear. Everyone wants to work at Stanford, or to keep working there, or to send a child there, or to find a job in a place run by its ubiquitous alums, who include Mary Barra, the C.E.O. of General Motors, Jeff Skoll and John Donahoe of eBay, and Laurene Powell Jobs, widow of Steve and a powerhouse in the world of philanthropy."
     
  222. @ben tillman
    @km


    Why do whites deserve anything else? Yes, it’s all about money, and in the most banal and cynical manner imaginable. Toilet paper indeed! But average whites are, by and large, emotionally and ideologically in favour of this process of demographic change and replacement.
     
    Nothing could be further from the truth.

    Ask people: Do you believe the population of this country should be changed so that there are no white people in Canada?

    Try it, and report back to us. I would be stunned if even 1% of whites responded in the affirmative.

    Replies: @Romanian

    Try it like this – without ever forcing the exile or the harm of a White in Canada, do you find it abhorrent to share the country with deserving and vibrant immigrants who did not have your Western privilege, even if it means the loss of majority status in the population?

    I think the key here is that people don’t realize what immigration means in terms of dispossession. White childlessness, questions of affordable family formation aside, is the result of White choices and is internalized as such. So long as nobody is actively targeting Whites for genocide, sterilization, displacement (viewed not in the context of Average Joe jobs, even as the displacement in the upper reaches of government or boardrooms is seen as fitting, just deserts, the wheel of history, rectification of a historical wrong etc), most people won’t bat an eyelash because they fear outing themselves as un-PC for what? The immature and xenophobic desire for a Whitopia? Basically, Euros are staking out private demesnes for their individual selves, while ignoring the shrinking of their allotment of the commonweal.

    PS A very Sailerbaitish article + hints of Chateau Heartiste

    http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/10/stanford-business-school-sex-scandal

    “Partly it’s because the GSB (Stanford Business School) is an astonishingly atomized, antisocial place, more a loose confederation of independent contractors than a community. As long as he or she funds their projects and leaves them alone, the dean is quite immaterial to them. (my note: future NAM America) (Since Saloner took the job, the G.S.B. has raised more than $500 million.) Saloner clearly knew as much; recounting to Gruenfeld how he’d just asked Phil Knight—the Nike co-founder and a G.S.B. alum, who helped bankroll its new campus with a $105 million gift—to speak at commencement, he texted, “We r developing a great relationship. So so good. That’s my job really.”

    Partly it’s because the students, their futures guaranteed simply by having gotten into the place, aren’t engaged enough even to gossip. Their seeming insouciance may account for the intermittent scandals, such as the Stanford business student charged with vehicular manslaughter and felony drunk driving after crashing into a taxi and killing a passenger not long ago, or regular weekend bacchanals in Las Vegas. Partly it’s the press: there’s not much left of it in the Bay Area, and The Stanford Daily has proved supine: “Not quite the [Harvard] Crimson, which would have printed this story gleefully years ago,” a former business-school student, one of the few to learn about and follow the Phills case, complained on her blog. Partly it’s the reluctance to challenge conventional wisdom: since everyone connected to so hot a place looks good, no one wants to take it down. And partly it’s fear. Everyone wants to work at Stanford, or to keep working there, or to send a child there, or to find a job in a place run by its ubiquitous alums, who include Mary Barra, the C.E.O. of General Motors, Jeff Skoll and John Donahoe of eBay, and Laurene Powell Jobs, widow of Steve and a powerhouse in the world of philanthropy.”

  223. @Sunbeam
    @donut

    "Be careful Sailer I see that The Daily Stormer has a link to one of your posts at Vdare . You know what the MSM will do with that."

    I have google skills, of course. But I don't feel like exercising them (so I'll expend effort on writing this post). Feel free to call me ignorant, but if I googled absolutely every reference I didn't understand (like some Kardashian thing, saw a tabloid at the supermarket last night WhoTF is "Scott?") I wouldn't be doing anything else.

    What is the Daily Stormer (something to do with Stormfront)?

    I'm not sure from context if you are making a generic comment, or trying to needle Sailer. Either way is fine.

    But if you are a troll, could you guys please up your game? I know we all like to categorize people into boxes, but I think you would be surprised at the number of readers here who really aren't clued in or really don't care about things like you mentioned. And who don't have the slightest idea what Hitler's birthday was.

    Replies: @donut

    What are you , the hall monitor ? “I’m not sure from context if you are making a generic comment, or trying to needle Sailer. Either way is fine.” If you’re not sure then STFU . Sailer is a big boy and doesn’t need the likes of you to to defend his honor . And I like to needle him every chance I get so he doesn’t get a swollen head .

  224. @Reg Cæsar
    @Grumpy

    White folks with full minivans don't go to MOA, there's a special guest. They go to the new outlet mall, which is outdrawing its older sister in the exurbs.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Let me amend that. I was just in the Barnes & Noble at MOA, and everyone there was white. So it’s nuanced.

    JR Cremp’s boutique (and refreshingly “sexist”) store for active boys would also be whitopian, but was empty on visits there. Except for the pretty coeds behind the register. (They understand the Cub Scout mind.)

    Also, the word “unless” got erased in that comment, and that kind of thing makes the loss of the Edit function painful.

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