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Minneapolis-St. Paul keeps working right up to the end to win the coveted iSteve Content Generator of the Year crown over Milwaukee-Madison-Kenosha:

Some pretty impressive shooting by the cops to kill the guy shooting at them while not hitting the woman in the car with him.

Has anybody calculated for cops vs. criminals how likely each is to accidentally shoot a bystander or two or four?

Have police gotten better at shooting over the decades?

 
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  1. There is now an Irish George Floyd,as a Nigerian peaceful knife waver was racistly shot. Oh God! What a loss! He was a good boy!!

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    @Father O'Hara

    Any and all are directed to today’s issue of “The Burkean” on the Nigerian perp. Reading it you will be introduced to the politicians who are assiduously working to ensure that the native Irish will be a minority by 2050!

    , @Ed
    @Father O'Hara

    Stories like this reminds me of what an Australian leader during the 30s said when asked about taking in more Jews from Europe. He responded that Australia didn’t have a Jewish problem and had no interest in importing one.

    Ireland didn’t have to have a Nigerian or black problem but it chose to have one.

    , @J.Ross
    @Father O'Hara

    Just like a Nigerian to bring a knife to Armalite country.

    , @Anonymous
    @Father O'Hara

    I'm not particularly hopeful about Ireland based on the behavior of their offshoots here in the States. MA is the most Irish state of the Union and also the most liberal; meanwhile in the MA of the Midwest, MN, it seems like their Swedish contingent is about as dopey as their cousins back in Motherland Sweden.
    Also the once pious Irish have now largely jettisoned the dogmas of the Catholic Church and seem to want to leap into the "modern" West by subbing PC dogmas for their now discarded religious ones.

    , @bigdicknick
    @Father O'Hara

    ireland's legacy of slavery strikes again or something.

    , @bigdicknick
    @Father O'Hara

    ireland's legacy of slavery strikes again or something.

  2. Police are
    better at shooting than they used to be (in many cases due to personal, rather than required, training),

    carry weapons that are easier to shoot than they used to (lots of striker-fired pistols instead of double-action revolvers, see 1986 Miami FBI shootout),

    and are less likely than criminals to shoot backwards over their shoulders while running away from their target.

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
    @thinklikea1l

    Striker fired pistols usually have triggers that suck unless you go aftermarket. I will keep my 1911, you can have the striker fired abominations.


  3. https://mugshots.com/US-States/Minnesota/Ramsey-County-MN/Dolal-Bayle-Idd.169288379.html

    Dolal Bayle Idd

    Somalis are bad shots.

    E.g., Battle of Mogadishu (Black Down): 18 American soldiers killed; 700+ Somali militiamen killed

    • Replies: @Ancient Briton
    @Anon

    The AC 130 gunship gives you that edge.

    Replies: @anon, @John Johnson, @SunBakedSuburb

    , @duncsbaby
    @Anon

    I'm honestly surprised it was a Somali. Although the Somali element in Minneapolis and now the whole upper mid-west (Minnesota, North and South Dakota) has been a huge negative for many reasons; they usually aren't shooting things up.

    Steve coined the phrase, "stabby Somali," which is usually the case. My guess is the Somalis of Mpls are truly becoming Americanized to black American culture. I think this is a harbinger of ruinous things to come.

    Replies: @anonymous

    , @anon
    @Anon

    Who is he and what is he doing in your country?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Old Prude
    @Anon

    Recall the chest-thumping when SEAL snipers gunned down some Somali pirates? I rolled my eyes. This ain't the Imperial Japanese Navy, guys. I am pretty confident I or any member of my rod and gun club could fairly easily win a firefight against half a dozen Somali teenagers on my front lawn. Not worthy opponents.

    Replies: @Muggles

    , @International Jew
    @Anon


    Dolal Bayle Idd
     
    Too much Idd, not enough Superego.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    , @Tony
    @Anon

    That there is what we used to call a pencil neck. Still do actually.

  4. Minneapolis-St. Paul keeps working right up to the end to win the coveted iSteve Content Generator of the Year crown over Milwaukee-Madison-Kenosha:

    In the last week of the city’s record year for murders, one obviously “Native American” yclept Sherman Dean Kills Plenty tried to live up to his name by committing the last one of the year. He was too early, though. One more managed to squeak in.

    He’s currently on the loose:

    https://coms.doc.state.mn.us/PublicViewer/OffenderDetails/Index/189073/Fugitive

    https://www.postbulletin.com/news/news/crime/man-skips-sentencing-for-home-invasion/article_2fed6d82-cdfc-5f0d-9b05-5ca406f03361.html

    Wonder if he’s one of the Kills Plentys of Old He Dog and Upper Cut Meat:

    Juanita Pearl Kills Plenty was born at home in Old He Dog on March 13, 1954 to William Four Horns and Josephine Little Bald Eagle. She passed away at her home in Upper Cut Meat on September 3, 2013 at the age of 59 years.

    https://www.holmesfh.com/book-of-memories/1665281/kills-plenty-juanita/obituary.php

    • Replies: @theMann
    @Reg Cæsar

    'Roided up Cops carrying 15 round magazines + 1 in the chamber.....what could go wrong with that?

    Not to mention the ARs they all carry now, including on School Campuses, which I routinely witness. (Plus full up body armor- on school campuses.) Gee, a 30 round magazine in a caliber (.223 Rem) , high velocity, light bullets, guarantees ricochets, and completely unpredictable results when it hits anything, intended target or not....what could go wrong?

    I have been in enough US and European airports to see the "security" forces carrying everything from M4's to FAL's, undoubtedly loaded with FMJs - that isn't Law Enforcement, and it isn't intended to be. It is flat out, in your face, military occupation. Any of them start pulling a trigger, they don't give a fried fuck sideways how many "innocent" civilians they wax, it is all collateral damage, and as acceptable to them as they are unaccountable to us.

    When was the last time you saw any "Police" officer do time for manslaughter for killing an innocent bytstander? Oh, right, that would be never.


    Defund the Police, defund the military, defund the whole ball of wax- time for a National Tax Strike.

    Replies: @theMann, @Muggles

    , @restless94110
    @Reg Cæsar


    In the last week of the city’s record year for murders, one obviously “Native American” yclept Sherman Dean Kills Plenty tried to live up to his name by committing the last one of the year.
     
    [Scratching my head]: What you been smokin', boy? This Indian pointed a shotgun at someone with no shell in the chamber, then ran away.

    How does that mean he murdered someone?

    Lay off the loco weed for 2021, ok?
  5. @Anon


    https://thumbs.mugshots.com/gallery/images/8b/8c/Dolal-Bayle-Idd-mugshot-46351482.400x800.jpg
    https://thumbs.mugshots.com/gallery/images/42/db/Dolal-Bayle-Idd-mugshot-46351483.400x800.jpg
    https://mugshots.com/US-States/Minnesota/Ramsey-County-MN/Dolal-Bayle-Idd.169288379.html

     

    Dolal Bayle Idd

    Somalis are bad shots.

    E.g., Battle of Mogadishu (Black Down): 18 American soldiers killed; 700+ Somali militiamen killed

    Replies: @Ancient Briton, @duncsbaby, @anon, @Old Prude, @International Jew, @Tony

    The AC 130 gunship gives you that edge.

    • Agree: El Dato
    • Replies: @anon
    @Ancient Briton

    Not Spooky, nope. Little Birds in the air and Rangers / Delta / other special guys on the ground. "Blackhawk Down" has a lot of details that are accurate.

    , @John Johnson
    @Ancient Briton

    He was referring to the Battle of Mogadishu.

    It was mainly a small arms exchange.

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Ancient Briton

    "AC 130 gunship"

    Soon to be seen patrolling the skies over naughty cities and regions who dare scoff at the technocracy.

  6. Imagine telling someone twenty or thirty years ago that the Chinese will run Hollywood, that the government will declare war on small businesses, churches, and family gatherings, and that Minnesota will become the crucible of violent black supremacism.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @J.Ross

    And in 2021 we'll also learn that China runs corporate news, social media, and a ruling majority of the federal government.

    Replies: @Neuday

    , @Polistra
    @J.Ross

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1c/96/e9/1c96e9e44b1ebefe745f7df133cb858a.jpg

    , @Ian Smith
    @J.Ross

    Hollywood isn’t run by the Chinese, but it is run by a group whose men often have Yellow Fever.

    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    @J.Ross


    Imagine telling someone twenty or thirty years ago that the Chinese will run Hollywood
     
    Jews still have a significant edge. The Chinese power is primarily based on Hollywood's acquiescence to limited PRC censorship.
  7. @Father O'Hara
    There is now an Irish George Floyd,as a Nigerian peaceful knife waver was racistly shot. Oh God! What a loss! He was a good boy!!

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @Ed, @J.Ross, @Anonymous, @bigdicknick, @bigdicknick

    Any and all are directed to today’s issue of “The Burkean” on the Nigerian perp. Reading it you will be introduced to the politicians who are assiduously working to ensure that the native Irish will be a minority by 2050!

  8. @Ancient Briton
    @Anon

    The AC 130 gunship gives you that edge.

    Replies: @anon, @John Johnson, @SunBakedSuburb

    Not Spooky, nope. Little Birds in the air and Rangers / Delta / other special guys on the ground. “Blackhawk Down” has a lot of details that are accurate.

  9. Police shooting bystanders doesn’t seem to be very common, but thugs shooting bystanders, especially children, gets too little press coverage. That’s sad. I wonder how many pre teen children were shot and killed in 2020?

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Buffalo Joe

    heyjackass.com has 14 killed/43 wounded under the age of 12 for 2020. This is Chicago only.

    , @Pericles
    @Buffalo Joe


    thugs shooting bystanders, especially children, gets too little press coverage.

     

    The bullet just somehow finds its way into the child and it's all a tragedy and a sign of systemic racism.
    , @donut
    @Buffalo Joe

    "nits make lice"

  10. @J.Ross
    Imagine telling someone twenty or thirty years ago that the Chinese will run Hollywood, that the government will declare war on small businesses, churches, and family gatherings, and that Minnesota will become the crucible of violent black supremacism.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Polistra, @Ian Smith, @Jus' Sayin'...

    And in 2021 we’ll also learn that China runs corporate news, social media, and a ruling majority of the federal government.

    • Replies: @Neuday
    @Harry Baldwin


    And in 2021 we’ll also learn that China runs corporate news, social media, and a ruling majority of the federal government.
     
    What happened to the Jews? How did we get from ZOG to COG? Sounds to me like Shlomo's finding us a scapegoat.
  11. • Agree: Old Prude, Chris Mallory
    • Replies: @dvorak
    @Dr. X


    They just light up anything that moves once they start shooting and don’t stop until they run out of ammo or everyone’s dead.
     
    Quantity has a quality all its own. - Stalin
    If someone had told me a nation could start with thirty-five thousand tanks, then I'd have said, "You are crazy!" - Hitler
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClR9tcpKZec

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @iDeplorable

    , @Muggles
    @Dr. X


    Cops should be banned from carrying any weapons other than six-shot .38 revolvers and pump-action shotguns:
     
    Then I'm sure you'd cheer when your son, daughter or niece/nephew or other family member joined up to fight crime.

    Do you think lightly armed cops would be less likely to shoot first, ask questions later?

    As for the rifles and other arms some here gripe about, those are mainly for SWAT type situations or barricaded perps shooting from inside homes, stores, etc.

    Police probably kill more innocents in reckless chases than by gunfire.

    Unless you are Antifa, are you trying to eliminate police altogether?

    Replies: @Chris Mallory, @Old Prude

  12. @Ancient Briton
    @Anon

    The AC 130 gunship gives you that edge.

    Replies: @anon, @John Johnson, @SunBakedSuburb

    He was referring to the Battle of Mogadishu.

    It was mainly a small arms exchange.

  13. Have police gotten better at shooting over the decades?

    I would bet that the return to 9mm is a factor.

    40 is just too much bang for most people, especially in the heat of the moment.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @Thomas
    @John Johnson

    Modern 9mms are lasers but I think the reputation of .40 for bang is overblown. Or at least the impact of that bang. I've always considered it very trainable. The bang doesn't matter if the bullet goes where it's supposed to and you don't flinch.

    One factor that few take into account: dual recoil springs. Since the Glock Gen 4 (2010-), they've increasingly become standard. Makes a difference.

    Replies: @NickG

  14. The screen grab from that body cam footage makes a cool photo. Very dynamic, with the lens flare and dramatic foreshortening on the outstretched arm.

    Maybe some woke graphic artist like Shepard Fairey will make a Defund! poster out of it.

  15. @J.Ross
    Imagine telling someone twenty or thirty years ago that the Chinese will run Hollywood, that the government will declare war on small businesses, churches, and family gatherings, and that Minnesota will become the crucible of violent black supremacism.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Polistra, @Ian Smith, @Jus' Sayin'...

  16. @Anon


    https://thumbs.mugshots.com/gallery/images/8b/8c/Dolal-Bayle-Idd-mugshot-46351482.400x800.jpg
    https://thumbs.mugshots.com/gallery/images/42/db/Dolal-Bayle-Idd-mugshot-46351483.400x800.jpg
    https://mugshots.com/US-States/Minnesota/Ramsey-County-MN/Dolal-Bayle-Idd.169288379.html

     

    Dolal Bayle Idd

    Somalis are bad shots.

    E.g., Battle of Mogadishu (Black Down): 18 American soldiers killed; 700+ Somali militiamen killed

    Replies: @Ancient Briton, @duncsbaby, @anon, @Old Prude, @International Jew, @Tony

    I’m honestly surprised it was a Somali. Although the Somali element in Minneapolis and now the whole upper mid-west (Minnesota, North and South Dakota) has been a huge negative for many reasons; they usually aren’t shooting things up.

    Steve coined the phrase, “stabby Somali,” which is usually the case. My guess is the Somalis of Mpls are truly becoming Americanized to black American culture. I think this is a harbinger of ruinous things to come.

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks
    • Replies: @anonymous
    @duncsbaby

    they've been westernized for quite a few years now, non-immigrant somali in the west have extremely low birth rates and completely absorbed into gang/thug culture.

  17. @Anon


    https://thumbs.mugshots.com/gallery/images/8b/8c/Dolal-Bayle-Idd-mugshot-46351482.400x800.jpg
    https://thumbs.mugshots.com/gallery/images/42/db/Dolal-Bayle-Idd-mugshot-46351483.400x800.jpg
    https://mugshots.com/US-States/Minnesota/Ramsey-County-MN/Dolal-Bayle-Idd.169288379.html

     

    Dolal Bayle Idd

    Somalis are bad shots.

    E.g., Battle of Mogadishu (Black Down): 18 American soldiers killed; 700+ Somali militiamen killed

    Replies: @Ancient Briton, @duncsbaby, @anon, @Old Prude, @International Jew, @Tony

    Who is he and what is he doing in your country?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @anon

    Why are you asking an iSteve commenter? Ask your question to a nice upper midwestern Lutheran Church lady.

    "The road to hell ..."

  18. @Buffalo Joe
    Police shooting bystanders doesn't seem to be very common, but thugs shooting bystanders, especially children, gets too little press coverage. That's sad. I wonder how many pre teen children were shot and killed in 2020?

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Pericles, @donut

    heyjackass.com has 14 killed/43 wounded under the age of 12 for 2020. This is Chicago only.

  19. The video pretty clearly shows the suspects using the car to resist/escape, and the cops finally shooting to stop them. The slow motion analysis, according to the article, shows the bad guy driver shooting first at the police and the police returning fire.
    Half of the American people will look at this and see cops risking their lives to protect the public from a dangerous violent criminal.
    The other half of the country will look at this exact same video and see a racist execution of a helpless, frightened, innocent black man by monstrous whites.
    What’s the use of political debate? Can any amount of argument or explanation bring liberals to their senses?

    • Replies: @Bill
    @rebel yell

    Democracy is rule by media owners.

    , @Dan Smith
    @rebel yell

    The liberals are people lacking reason and accountability. As Steve has pointed out black people don’t have time to get arrested. So many resist because they realize they’re going back to jail. Fortunately this knucklehead couldn’t shoot. Amazingly, the chief is supporting his cops. The boy mayor naturally mourns another life cut short, to which I say, about time.

    , @Joseph Doaks
    @rebel yell

    "Can any amount of argument or explanation bring liberals to their senses?"

    No chance! But perhaps living a few years under the senile godfather of the Biden crime family as president will convert some of them.

  20. @Father O'Hara
    There is now an Irish George Floyd,as a Nigerian peaceful knife waver was racistly shot. Oh God! What a loss! He was a good boy!!

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @Ed, @J.Ross, @Anonymous, @bigdicknick, @bigdicknick

    Stories like this reminds me of what an Australian leader during the 30s said when asked about taking in more Jews from Europe. He responded that Australia didn’t have a Jewish problem and had no interest in importing one.

    Ireland didn’t have to have a Nigerian or black problem but it chose to have one.

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks
  21. @Father O'Hara
    There is now an Irish George Floyd,as a Nigerian peaceful knife waver was racistly shot. Oh God! What a loss! He was a good boy!!

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @Ed, @J.Ross, @Anonymous, @bigdicknick, @bigdicknick

    Just like a Nigerian to bring a knife to Armalite country.

    • LOL: Rob McX
  22. @Buffalo Joe
    Police shooting bystanders doesn't seem to be very common, but thugs shooting bystanders, especially children, gets too little press coverage. That's sad. I wonder how many pre teen children were shot and killed in 2020?

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Pericles, @donut

    thugs shooting bystanders, especially children, gets too little press coverage.

    The bullet just somehow finds its way into the child and it’s all a tragedy and a sign of systemic racism.

  23. @John Johnson
    Have police gotten better at shooting over the decades?

    I would bet that the return to 9mm is a factor.

    40 is just too much bang for most people, especially in the heat of the moment.

    Replies: @Thomas

    Modern 9mms are lasers but I think the reputation of .40 for bang is overblown. Or at least the impact of that bang. I’ve always considered it very trainable. The bang doesn’t matter if the bullet goes where it’s supposed to and you don’t flinch.

    One factor that few take into account: dual recoil springs. Since the Glock Gen 4 (2010-), they’ve increasingly become standard. Makes a difference.

    • Replies: @NickG
    @Thomas


    One factor that few take into account: dual recoil springs. Since the Glock Gen 4 (2010-), they’ve increasingly become standard. Makes a difference.
     
    The dual recoil spring came out in the Glock 26 in 95. I've been toting one — a Gen3— since 2000.

    Replies: @Thomas

  24. The year hasn’t even begun yet and it already begins. 2021 is promising lots of fun.

    At least 30 cars TORCHED in Strasbourg, France, as rioters go on annual New Year’s violence spree

    3 people injured in stabbing incident in central London, police & ambulances on scene

    Fatal shooting of knife-wielding black man by police triggers mass protests in Ireland

    Apparently when blacks go mad with knifes in cold lands, there is a big “switch off” button that grows out of their forehead that police is suppose to gently push. Lest one of the royal race needs to be differently subdued.

    “The Armed Support Unit were also threatened with a knife and implemented a graduated response where the use of less-lethal force options (taser and OC spray) was initially administered in an effort to resolve the incident. The less-lethal use of force options were unsuccessful,” gardai said in a statement.

    Also, the photo that accompanies some article about “english school”: What is this, Liberia?

    England school holiday closures extended by 14 days to allow army-led mass Covid testing of pupils & teachers

    • Replies: @Ganderson
    @El Dato

    Two weeks to flatten the curve!

    Lather, rinse, repeat.

    , @J.Ross
    @El Dato

    Will this be the year when white people join the fun? The lefty governments of certain cities and states have done everything they can to weaken police, which necessarily means that police are also weaker against the whites who remain as the last legitimate government targets. Our rulers are self-destructively dumb and cannot see their mistake. Right now they are protected by white submissiveness, which is being eroded by unscientific and never-ending lockdown ukazes. An individual will still get crucified but, per the clearly and repeatedly stated desires of blue mayors and governors, a crowd will get away with it. They are creating a situation where their own cops cannot help and their enemies have nothing to lose.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Prof. Woland, @duncsbaby

  25. cops to kill the guy shooting at them while not hitting the woman in the car with him

    Whatever…gonna riot anyways

  26. @J.Ross
    Imagine telling someone twenty or thirty years ago that the Chinese will run Hollywood, that the government will declare war on small businesses, churches, and family gatherings, and that Minnesota will become the crucible of violent black supremacism.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Polistra, @Ian Smith, @Jus' Sayin'...

    Hollywood isn’t run by the Chinese, but it is run by a group whose men often have Yellow Fever.

    • LOL: Dan Hayes
  27. @Anon


    https://thumbs.mugshots.com/gallery/images/8b/8c/Dolal-Bayle-Idd-mugshot-46351482.400x800.jpg
    https://thumbs.mugshots.com/gallery/images/42/db/Dolal-Bayle-Idd-mugshot-46351483.400x800.jpg
    https://mugshots.com/US-States/Minnesota/Ramsey-County-MN/Dolal-Bayle-Idd.169288379.html

     

    Dolal Bayle Idd

    Somalis are bad shots.

    E.g., Battle of Mogadishu (Black Down): 18 American soldiers killed; 700+ Somali militiamen killed

    Replies: @Ancient Briton, @duncsbaby, @anon, @Old Prude, @International Jew, @Tony

    Recall the chest-thumping when SEAL snipers gunned down some Somali pirates? I rolled my eyes. This ain’t the Imperial Japanese Navy, guys. I am pretty confident I or any member of my rod and gun club could fairly easily win a firefight against half a dozen Somali teenagers on my front lawn. Not worthy opponents.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @Old Prude


    Recall the chest-thumping when SEAL snipers gunned down some Somali pirates?
     
    If you are thinking of the famous pirate incident where pirates had a hostage in a bobbing boat and the SEALS had to take a couple out from another ship, no member of your rod-and-gun club could have taken those shots successfully.

    Now sitting on your lawn, maybe. If you have been on the ocean in a small ship you'd know how tough that shooting was. Even totally calm it would have been amazing.

    "Everything looks easy to an amateur."

    Replies: @Old Prude

  28. @anon
    @Anon

    Who is he and what is he doing in your country?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Why are you asking an iSteve commenter? Ask your question to a nice upper midwestern Lutheran Church lady.

    “The road to hell …”

    • Agree: Adam Smith
  29. When you could find the numbers comparing cops and armed citizens shooting innocent bystanders, the cops always had worse numbers. Usually the cops more than doubled the bystanders hit compared to citizens. Last time I tried to find the numbers they appeared to be memoryholed.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Chris Mallory

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/nypd-9-shooting-bystander-victims-hit-by-police-gunfire

    August 2012. All nine bystanders in incident near Empire State Building hit by police bullets.

    Replies: @Chris Mallory

  30. Clean that perp up a little and he could have auditioned for Bury My Heart On Bended Knee: The Colin Kaepernick Story

    • LOL: BenKenobi
  31. @Reg Cæsar

    Minneapolis-St. Paul keeps working right up to the end to win the coveted iSteve Content Generator of the Year crown over Milwaukee-Madison-Kenosha:
     
    In the last week of the city's record year for murders, one obviously "Native American" yclept Sherman Dean Kills Plenty tried to live up to his name by committing the last one of the year. He was too early, though. One more managed to squeak in.

    He's currently on the loose:

    https://coms.doc.state.mn.us/PublicViewer/OffenderDetails/Index/189073/Fugitive


    https://www.postbulletin.com/news/news/crime/man-skips-sentencing-for-home-invasion/article_2fed6d82-cdfc-5f0d-9b05-5ca406f03361.html

    Wonder if he's one of the Kills Plentys of Old He Dog and Upper Cut Meat:


    Juanita Pearl Kills Plenty was born at home in Old He Dog on March 13, 1954 to William Four Horns and Josephine Little Bald Eagle. She passed away at her home in Upper Cut Meat on September 3, 2013 at the age of 59 years.

    https://www.holmesfh.com/book-of-memories/1665281/kills-plenty-juanita/obituary.php
     

    Replies: @theMann, @restless94110

    ‘Roided up Cops carrying 15 round magazines + 1 in the chamber…..what could go wrong with that?

    Not to mention the ARs they all carry now, including on School Campuses, which I routinely witness. (Plus full up body armor- on school campuses.) Gee, a 30 round magazine in a caliber (.223 Rem) , high velocity, light bullets, guarantees ricochets, and completely unpredictable results when it hits anything, intended target or not….what could go wrong?

    I have been in enough US and European airports to see the “security” forces carrying everything from M4’s to FAL’s, undoubtedly loaded with FMJs – that isn’t Law Enforcement, and it isn’t intended to be. It is flat out, in your face, military occupation. Any of them start pulling a trigger, they don’t give a fried fuck sideways how many “innocent” civilians they wax, it is all collateral damage, and as acceptable to them as they are unaccountable to us.

    When was the last time you saw any “Police” officer do time for manslaughter for killing an innocent bytstander? Oh, right, that would be never.

    Defund the Police, defund the military, defund the whole ball of wax- time for a National Tax Strike.

    • Agree: Old Prude
    • Replies: @theMann
    @theMann

    post was meant to reply to Dr. X, not sure how I clicked on it wrong.

    Replies: @Matt Buckalew

    , @Muggles
    @theMann

    While I believe that police should be accountable for reckless endangerment and pay severe damages for incidental injuries (and prison, if totally unjustified) your rant here is stupid.

    All of those rifles you claim to notice in airports (and schools? never seen that) are mainly Security Theater for the public. You do recall terrorism don't you? Airports and other public terminals have been popular for mass terrorism assaults. They use rifles usually.

    In France, where Muslim terrorists have killed in many pedestrian areas, you see armed military walking in four person patrols with light machine guns. At first startling, but then reassuring to this tourist. Public terrorism is down there, though you still have (mainly) random knife attacks.

    Law enforcement doesn't carry long guns around on patrol. Some have those in vehicles or during warrant arrests for violent offenders. You would too. If criminals use rifles, LEOs need them also.

    And there are cops who are charged with murder/manslaughter and sent to prison. Just read the news. Not common but does happen.

    Maybe you protect your home with a popgun and a Bible. Not me.

  32. I find it slightly amusing that the video of this harrowing encounter is preceded (when you click through Twitter to the news story) by an advertisement, for a casino in my case.

    Bodycam videos of police shootings, just the latest form of infotainment.

  33. @rebel yell
    The video pretty clearly shows the suspects using the car to resist/escape, and the cops finally shooting to stop them. The slow motion analysis, according to the article, shows the bad guy driver shooting first at the police and the police returning fire.
    Half of the American people will look at this and see cops risking their lives to protect the public from a dangerous violent criminal.
    The other half of the country will look at this exact same video and see a racist execution of a helpless, frightened, innocent black man by monstrous whites.
    What's the use of political debate? Can any amount of argument or explanation bring liberals to their senses?

    Replies: @Bill, @Dan Smith, @Joseph Doaks

    Democracy is rule by media owners.

  34. @rebel yell
    The video pretty clearly shows the suspects using the car to resist/escape, and the cops finally shooting to stop them. The slow motion analysis, according to the article, shows the bad guy driver shooting first at the police and the police returning fire.
    Half of the American people will look at this and see cops risking their lives to protect the public from a dangerous violent criminal.
    The other half of the country will look at this exact same video and see a racist execution of a helpless, frightened, innocent black man by monstrous whites.
    What's the use of political debate? Can any amount of argument or explanation bring liberals to their senses?

    Replies: @Bill, @Dan Smith, @Joseph Doaks

    The liberals are people lacking reason and accountability. As Steve has pointed out black people don’t have time to get arrested. So many resist because they realize they’re going back to jail. Fortunately this knucklehead couldn’t shoot. Amazingly, the chief is supporting his cops. The boy mayor naturally mourns another life cut short, to which I say, about time.

  35. @thinklikea1l
    Police are
    better at shooting than they used to be (in many cases due to personal, rather than required, training),

    carry weapons that are easier to shoot than they used to (lots of striker-fired pistols instead of double-action revolvers, see 1986 Miami FBI shootout),

    and are less likely than criminals to shoot backwards over their shoulders while running away from their target.

    Replies: @Chris Mallory

    Striker fired pistols usually have triggers that suck unless you go aftermarket. I will keep my 1911, you can have the striker fired abominations.

  36. @Thomas
    @John Johnson

    Modern 9mms are lasers but I think the reputation of .40 for bang is overblown. Or at least the impact of that bang. I've always considered it very trainable. The bang doesn't matter if the bullet goes where it's supposed to and you don't flinch.

    One factor that few take into account: dual recoil springs. Since the Glock Gen 4 (2010-), they've increasingly become standard. Makes a difference.

    Replies: @NickG

    One factor that few take into account: dual recoil springs. Since the Glock Gen 4 (2010-), they’ve increasingly become standard. Makes a difference.

    The dual recoil spring came out in the Glock 26 in 95. I’ve been toting one — a Gen3— since 2000.

    • Replies: @Thomas
    @NickG


    The dual recoil spring came out in the Glock 26 in 95. I’ve been toting one — a Gen3— since 2000.
     
    Bit before my time. I first noticed the dual spring when Gen 4 took over from Gen 3. Wasn't aware they adapted it from the Glock 26. Makes some sense for a smaller gun that that's where it first started.

    At any rate though, cops generally aren't going to carry G26s except as backup guns or undercover.

    The last decade seemed to see a lot of development in handguns. In addition to the drift back to 9mm, there was the popularization of micro-compact CCW guns that started with the Smith & Wesson M&P Shield, the adoption of MOS sights, etc.
  37. @El Dato
    The year hasn't even begun yet and it already begins. 2021 is promising lots of fun.

    At least 30 cars TORCHED in Strasbourg, France, as rioters go on annual New Year’s violence spree

    3 people injured in stabbing incident in central London, police & ambulances on scene

    Fatal shooting of knife-wielding black man by police triggers mass protests in Ireland

    Apparently when blacks go mad with knifes in cold lands, there is a big "switch off" button that grows out of their forehead that police is suppose to gently push. Lest one of the royal race needs to be differently subdued.


    “The Armed Support Unit were also threatened with a knife and implemented a graduated response where the use of less-lethal force options (taser and OC spray) was initially administered in an effort to resolve the incident. The less-lethal use of force options were unsuccessful,” gardai said in a statement.
     
    Also, the photo that accompanies some article about "english school": What is this, Liberia?

    England school holiday closures extended by 14 days to allow army-led mass Covid testing of pupils & teachers

    Replies: @Ganderson, @J.Ross

    Two weeks to flatten the curve!

    Lather, rinse, repeat.

  38. @El Dato
    The year hasn't even begun yet and it already begins. 2021 is promising lots of fun.

    At least 30 cars TORCHED in Strasbourg, France, as rioters go on annual New Year’s violence spree

    3 people injured in stabbing incident in central London, police & ambulances on scene

    Fatal shooting of knife-wielding black man by police triggers mass protests in Ireland

    Apparently when blacks go mad with knifes in cold lands, there is a big "switch off" button that grows out of their forehead that police is suppose to gently push. Lest one of the royal race needs to be differently subdued.


    “The Armed Support Unit were also threatened with a knife and implemented a graduated response where the use of less-lethal force options (taser and OC spray) was initially administered in an effort to resolve the incident. The less-lethal use of force options were unsuccessful,” gardai said in a statement.
     
    Also, the photo that accompanies some article about "english school": What is this, Liberia?

    England school holiday closures extended by 14 days to allow army-led mass Covid testing of pupils & teachers

    Replies: @Ganderson, @J.Ross

    Will this be the year when white people join the fun? The lefty governments of certain cities and states have done everything they can to weaken police, which necessarily means that police are also weaker against the whites who remain as the last legitimate government targets. Our rulers are self-destructively dumb and cannot see their mistake. Right now they are protected by white submissiveness, which is being eroded by unscientific and never-ending lockdown ukazes. An individual will still get crucified but, per the clearly and repeatedly stated desires of blue mayors and governors, a crowd will get away with it. They are creating a situation where their own cops cannot help and their enemies have nothing to lose.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @J.Ross

    "a crowd will get away with it"

    A crowd of colour will get away with it. A crowd of whiteys not enchanted with the Babylonian plan will get their heads bashed in by cops. Those pale ones who manage to avoid the massacre will return to their cars and find the tires flattened, the windows shattered. Then they will be set upon by anti-racist sixth graders controlled and directed by black ladies. We face a grim future. I am not a drama queen.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @Prof. Woland
    @J.Ross

    Throw in the fact that if Biden and his sassy black sidekick gets into office, they will be totally illegitimate. Our minority occupation government will be almost entirely reliant on the media, social media, and the deplatforming and control of the internet to compensate for a lack of popular support among the majority. These combination social campaigns / Astroturf movements such as BLM, Green New Deal, Covid - Mania, will be the be the club that they beat us over the head with to justify their looting and mismanagement.

    We could easily see an underground subversive campaign of Patriots / whites / conservatives rallying around a forbidden element of identity similar to BLM. It would not have the force of media behind it but that would make it all the more legitimate and cool. Once it got going nothing could stop it.

    , @duncsbaby
    @J.Ross

    Will this be the year when white people join the fun?

    No. The police may not be interested in arresting white people but the Soros-backed lefty prosecutors certainly will be in making sure they are prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Having said that there will be also a lot of police interested in arresting whites since they have to make some arrests and they know most of the time there ain't going to be any resistance from Joe Citizen protesting lock downs. Any antifa arrested will be released the next day.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  39. And in NYC 2021 was barely an hour old before shots rang out and rang in the new year — a triple shooting with one fatality, though details remain sketchy as to who dissed who. So Gotham jumps right out on top in a tough division that includes Philly and Baltimore

  40. @Anon


    https://thumbs.mugshots.com/gallery/images/8b/8c/Dolal-Bayle-Idd-mugshot-46351482.400x800.jpg
    https://thumbs.mugshots.com/gallery/images/42/db/Dolal-Bayle-Idd-mugshot-46351483.400x800.jpg
    https://mugshots.com/US-States/Minnesota/Ramsey-County-MN/Dolal-Bayle-Idd.169288379.html

     

    Dolal Bayle Idd

    Somalis are bad shots.

    E.g., Battle of Mogadishu (Black Down): 18 American soldiers killed; 700+ Somali militiamen killed

    Replies: @Ancient Briton, @duncsbaby, @anon, @Old Prude, @International Jew, @Tony

    Dolal Bayle Idd

    Too much Idd, not enough Superego.

    • LOL: Gary in Gramercy
    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @International Jew

    "Vot iss dis man DOINGK here?"

    (Major Hochstetter, every episode of Hogan's Heroes he was in.)

  41. @Anon


    https://thumbs.mugshots.com/gallery/images/8b/8c/Dolal-Bayle-Idd-mugshot-46351482.400x800.jpg
    https://thumbs.mugshots.com/gallery/images/42/db/Dolal-Bayle-Idd-mugshot-46351483.400x800.jpg
    https://mugshots.com/US-States/Minnesota/Ramsey-County-MN/Dolal-Bayle-Idd.169288379.html

     

    Dolal Bayle Idd

    Somalis are bad shots.

    E.g., Battle of Mogadishu (Black Down): 18 American soldiers killed; 700+ Somali militiamen killed

    Replies: @Ancient Briton, @duncsbaby, @anon, @Old Prude, @International Jew, @Tony

    That there is what we used to call a pencil neck. Still do actually.

  42. @J.Ross
    Imagine telling someone twenty or thirty years ago that the Chinese will run Hollywood, that the government will declare war on small businesses, churches, and family gatherings, and that Minnesota will become the crucible of violent black supremacism.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Polistra, @Ian Smith, @Jus' Sayin'...

    Imagine telling someone twenty or thirty years ago that the Chinese will run Hollywood

    Jews still have a significant edge. The Chinese power is primarily based on Hollywood’s acquiescence to limited PRC censorship.

  43. @International Jew
    @Anon


    Dolal Bayle Idd
     
    Too much Idd, not enough Superego.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    “Vot iss dis man DOINGK here?”

    (Major Hochstetter, every episode of Hogan’s Heroes he was in.)

  44. @theMann
    @Reg Cæsar

    'Roided up Cops carrying 15 round magazines + 1 in the chamber.....what could go wrong with that?

    Not to mention the ARs they all carry now, including on School Campuses, which I routinely witness. (Plus full up body armor- on school campuses.) Gee, a 30 round magazine in a caliber (.223 Rem) , high velocity, light bullets, guarantees ricochets, and completely unpredictable results when it hits anything, intended target or not....what could go wrong?

    I have been in enough US and European airports to see the "security" forces carrying everything from M4's to FAL's, undoubtedly loaded with FMJs - that isn't Law Enforcement, and it isn't intended to be. It is flat out, in your face, military occupation. Any of them start pulling a trigger, they don't give a fried fuck sideways how many "innocent" civilians they wax, it is all collateral damage, and as acceptable to them as they are unaccountable to us.

    When was the last time you saw any "Police" officer do time for manslaughter for killing an innocent bytstander? Oh, right, that would be never.


    Defund the Police, defund the military, defund the whole ball of wax- time for a National Tax Strike.

    Replies: @theMann, @Muggles

    post was meant to reply to Dr. X, not sure how I clicked on it wrong.

    • Replies: @Matt Buckalew
    @theMann

    Probably because you period had just started and you got distracted by the hormone cascade.

  45. The following story is much more important than the one about someone acting like a criminal and suffering the consequences:

    The Alibi Drinkery in Lakeville, MN defied a state order banning indoor dining and opened for New Year’s Eve. But the state is not taking this lightly as The Alibi now faces a five-year liquor license revocation “for ongoing and blatant violations ” of Gov. Tim Walz’ coronavirus executive order, which bans indoor dining through Jan. 10.

    Not all will blindly accept the dictates of petty mayors, city councils, and/or governors, even up here in Minnesota. Hope springs eternal.

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
    @Enemy of Earth

    The attorney general of Minnesota, Keith Ellison, has made it clear he will be persecuting Alibi Drinkery and any others who defy lock down orders.

    https://www.southernminn.com/northfield_news/news/article_ea4c0e31-aa15-5dc8-9b01-7fe0ebcef404.html

    Hope may spring eternal but Minnesotans are getting the heavy-handed Democratic controlled government they voted for. How can a man like Keith Ellison, who is so obviously there only to support his own black race, be elected to state wide office in mostly white Minnesota? It's astounding.

    Replies: @Joseph Doaks

  46. @Chris Mallory
    When you could find the numbers comparing cops and armed citizens shooting innocent bystanders, the cops always had worse numbers. Usually the cops more than doubled the bystanders hit compared to citizens. Last time I tried to find the numbers they appeared to be memoryholed.

    Replies: @JMcG

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/nypd-9-shooting-bystander-victims-hit-by-police-gunfire

    August 2012. All nine bystanders in incident near Empire State Building hit by police bullets.

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
    @JMcG

    Just one of many where the cops shoot anything and everything down range. Need to start charging more of them with reckless endangerment when they fire off a couple of magazine and only hit the bad guy once.

  47. @Ancient Briton
    @Anon

    The AC 130 gunship gives you that edge.

    Replies: @anon, @John Johnson, @SunBakedSuburb

    “AC 130 gunship”

    Soon to be seen patrolling the skies over naughty cities and regions who dare scoff at the technocracy.

  48. @J.Ross
    @El Dato

    Will this be the year when white people join the fun? The lefty governments of certain cities and states have done everything they can to weaken police, which necessarily means that police are also weaker against the whites who remain as the last legitimate government targets. Our rulers are self-destructively dumb and cannot see their mistake. Right now they are protected by white submissiveness, which is being eroded by unscientific and never-ending lockdown ukazes. An individual will still get crucified but, per the clearly and repeatedly stated desires of blue mayors and governors, a crowd will get away with it. They are creating a situation where their own cops cannot help and their enemies have nothing to lose.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Prof. Woland, @duncsbaby

    “a crowd will get away with it”

    A crowd of colour will get away with it. A crowd of whiteys not enchanted with the Babylonian plan will get their heads bashed in by cops. Those pale ones who manage to avoid the massacre will return to their cars and find the tires flattened, the windows shattered. Then they will be set upon by anti-racist sixth graders controlled and directed by black ladies. We face a grim future. I am not a drama queen.

    • Agree: duncsbaby
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @SunBakedSuburb

    Can't bash the heads of the helmeted.
    Can't slash the tires of the geographically inclined.
    Remember how Solzhenitsyn burned when he remembered.

  49. @Harry Baldwin
    @J.Ross

    And in 2021 we'll also learn that China runs corporate news, social media, and a ruling majority of the federal government.

    Replies: @Neuday

    And in 2021 we’ll also learn that China runs corporate news, social media, and a ruling majority of the federal government.

    What happened to the Jews? How did we get from ZOG to COG? Sounds to me like Shlomo’s finding us a scapegoat.

  50. @J.Ross
    @El Dato

    Will this be the year when white people join the fun? The lefty governments of certain cities and states have done everything they can to weaken police, which necessarily means that police are also weaker against the whites who remain as the last legitimate government targets. Our rulers are self-destructively dumb and cannot see their mistake. Right now they are protected by white submissiveness, which is being eroded by unscientific and never-ending lockdown ukazes. An individual will still get crucified but, per the clearly and repeatedly stated desires of blue mayors and governors, a crowd will get away with it. They are creating a situation where their own cops cannot help and their enemies have nothing to lose.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Prof. Woland, @duncsbaby

    Throw in the fact that if Biden and his sassy black sidekick gets into office, they will be totally illegitimate. Our minority occupation government will be almost entirely reliant on the media, social media, and the deplatforming and control of the internet to compensate for a lack of popular support among the majority. These combination social campaigns / Astroturf movements such as BLM, Green New Deal, Covid – Mania, will be the be the club that they beat us over the head with to justify their looting and mismanagement.

    We could easily see an underground subversive campaign of Patriots / whites / conservatives rallying around a forbidden element of identity similar to BLM. It would not have the force of media behind it but that would make it all the more legitimate and cool. Once it got going nothing could stop it.

  51. @Dr. X

    Have police gotten better at shooting over the decades?
     
    Nah. They've gotten WORSE.

    Cops with guns are downright dangerous. They just light up anything that moves once they start shooting and don't stop until they run out of ammo or everyone's dead. They think they're Marines at Khe Sanh or something. They're animals.

    Cops should be banned from carrying any weapons other than six-shot .38 revolvers and pump-action shotguns:

    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article247605430.html

    https://www.foxnews.com/story/florida-police-shot-suspected-cop-killer-68-times

    https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/crime/bs-md-ci-cr-officers-cleared-154-rounds-20200610-amjeynyz4jb7zmhmi4rw363l24-story.html

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/08/19/chaos-reigned-and-police-fired-600-excessive-shots-in-robbery-chase-report-finds/

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/01/26/six-cleveland-officers-fired-for-137-shots-car-chase-in-2012-that-led-to-deaths-of-two-unarmed-people/

    https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/no-charges-8-lapd-shot-innocents-manhunt-article-1.2511683

    https://ktla.com/news/nationworld/woman-fatally-shot-during-florida-police-academy-active-shooter-drill/

    Replies: @dvorak, @Muggles

    They just light up anything that moves once they start shooting and don’t stop until they run out of ammo or everyone’s dead.

    Quantity has a quality all its own. – Stalin
    If someone had told me a nation could start with thirty-five thousand tanks, then I’d have said, “You are crazy!” – Hitler

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @dvorak


    Hitler Speaking Normally
     
    You mean he was pulling an Elizabeth Holmes? (And is that Judge Judy?)


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PjnsYz-xdOI
    , @iDeplorable
    @dvorak


    Quantity has a quality all its own. – Stalin
     
    Quantify has a quality all its own - Car Grease and Achnad Douchman

    FIFY
  52. @NickG
    @Thomas


    One factor that few take into account: dual recoil springs. Since the Glock Gen 4 (2010-), they’ve increasingly become standard. Makes a difference.
     
    The dual recoil spring came out in the Glock 26 in 95. I've been toting one — a Gen3— since 2000.

    Replies: @Thomas

    The dual recoil spring came out in the Glock 26 in 95. I’ve been toting one — a Gen3— since 2000.

    Bit before my time. I first noticed the dual spring when Gen 4 took over from Gen 3. Wasn’t aware they adapted it from the Glock 26. Makes some sense for a smaller gun that that’s where it first started.

    At any rate though, cops generally aren’t going to carry G26s except as backup guns or undercover.

    The last decade seemed to see a lot of development in handguns. In addition to the drift back to 9mm, there was the popularization of micro-compact CCW guns that started with the Smith & Wesson M&P Shield, the adoption of MOS sights, etc.

  53. Anonymous[300] • Disclaimer says:
    @Father O'Hara
    There is now an Irish George Floyd,as a Nigerian peaceful knife waver was racistly shot. Oh God! What a loss! He was a good boy!!

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @Ed, @J.Ross, @Anonymous, @bigdicknick, @bigdicknick

    I’m not particularly hopeful about Ireland based on the behavior of their offshoots here in the States. MA is the most Irish state of the Union and also the most liberal; meanwhile in the MA of the Midwest, MN, it seems like their Swedish contingent is about as dopey as their cousins back in Motherland Sweden.
    Also the once pious Irish have now largely jettisoned the dogmas of the Catholic Church and seem to want to leap into the “modern” West by subbing PC dogmas for their now discarded religious ones.

  54. On a serious note, what's happened to downtown Minneapolis is tragic. I gave up my (private) office there because it's no longer safe to walk on what used to be a bustling main street. I blame so many people – but mostly @MayorFrey who has been MIA since the city burned.— Ann Bauer (@annbauerwriter) December 31, 2020

  55. I think that many cops are still somewhat lax on honing their pistol marksmanship skills, but this guy doesn’t seem to be one of them. I remember taking a shooting course where the instructor – a state patrol officer – told the class of an incident where an LEO was shooting at an armed (and firing) suspect who was inside a car. The cop was right outside the car with his hand and gun actually inside the passenger compartment. He fired a half dozen or more times at the shooter…and missed every time. I believe that incidents like this are part of the reason many dept’s moved away from .40 S&W.

  56. @Dr. X

    Have police gotten better at shooting over the decades?
     
    Nah. They've gotten WORSE.

    Cops with guns are downright dangerous. They just light up anything that moves once they start shooting and don't stop until they run out of ammo or everyone's dead. They think they're Marines at Khe Sanh or something. They're animals.

    Cops should be banned from carrying any weapons other than six-shot .38 revolvers and pump-action shotguns:

    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article247605430.html

    https://www.foxnews.com/story/florida-police-shot-suspected-cop-killer-68-times

    https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/crime/bs-md-ci-cr-officers-cleared-154-rounds-20200610-amjeynyz4jb7zmhmi4rw363l24-story.html

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/08/19/chaos-reigned-and-police-fired-600-excessive-shots-in-robbery-chase-report-finds/

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/01/26/six-cleveland-officers-fired-for-137-shots-car-chase-in-2012-that-led-to-deaths-of-two-unarmed-people/

    https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/no-charges-8-lapd-shot-innocents-manhunt-article-1.2511683

    https://ktla.com/news/nationworld/woman-fatally-shot-during-florida-police-academy-active-shooter-drill/

    Replies: @dvorak, @Muggles

    Cops should be banned from carrying any weapons other than six-shot .38 revolvers and pump-action shotguns:

    Then I’m sure you’d cheer when your son, daughter or niece/nephew or other family member joined up to fight crime.

    Do you think lightly armed cops would be less likely to shoot first, ask questions later?

    As for the rifles and other arms some here gripe about, those are mainly for SWAT type situations or barricaded perps shooting from inside homes, stores, etc.

    Police probably kill more innocents in reckless chases than by gunfire.

    Unless you are Antifa, are you trying to eliminate police altogether?

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
    @Muggles


    Do you think lightly armed cops would be less likely to shoot first, ask questions later?

     

    Fine, disarm them totally.

    As for the rifles and other arms some here gripe about, those are mainly for SWAT type situations or barricaded perps shooting from inside homes, stores, etc.
     
    You are behind the times. Few cops use the old 870 any more. They all have ARs (usually with a full auto switch) in their patrol cars. The shotgun was too powerful for the new females and soyboys to use.

    Unless you are Antifa, are you trying to eliminate police altogether?
     
    I am not ANTIFA. I am an armed American who is in more danger from armed government employees than from black thugs.

    Replies: @Muggles

    , @Old Prude
    @Muggles

    Whatever the cops feel they need to carry to deal with criminals should be the same thing law abiding citizens can carry for the same reason. I want one of those flame-thrower tanks Janet Reno's boys used to burn up those children and their parents down Texas way. I'll settle for an MP-4 like the one Janet's boys used to snatch that Cuban kid from the trailer home to deport him back to Castro.

  57. @Old Prude
    @Anon

    Recall the chest-thumping when SEAL snipers gunned down some Somali pirates? I rolled my eyes. This ain't the Imperial Japanese Navy, guys. I am pretty confident I or any member of my rod and gun club could fairly easily win a firefight against half a dozen Somali teenagers on my front lawn. Not worthy opponents.

    Replies: @Muggles

    Recall the chest-thumping when SEAL snipers gunned down some Somali pirates?

    If you are thinking of the famous pirate incident where pirates had a hostage in a bobbing boat and the SEALS had to take a couple out from another ship, no member of your rod-and-gun club could have taken those shots successfully.

    Now sitting on your lawn, maybe. If you have been on the ocean in a small ship you’d know how tough that shooting was. Even totally calm it would have been amazing.

    “Everything looks easy to an amateur.”

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @Old Prude
    @Muggles

    A fine piece of shooting, to be sure. But as I said: Somali teenagers are not worthy opponents for the U.S. Navy. Quit the cheering and go about your business.

  58. @theMann
    @Reg Cæsar

    'Roided up Cops carrying 15 round magazines + 1 in the chamber.....what could go wrong with that?

    Not to mention the ARs they all carry now, including on School Campuses, which I routinely witness. (Plus full up body armor- on school campuses.) Gee, a 30 round magazine in a caliber (.223 Rem) , high velocity, light bullets, guarantees ricochets, and completely unpredictable results when it hits anything, intended target or not....what could go wrong?

    I have been in enough US and European airports to see the "security" forces carrying everything from M4's to FAL's, undoubtedly loaded with FMJs - that isn't Law Enforcement, and it isn't intended to be. It is flat out, in your face, military occupation. Any of them start pulling a trigger, they don't give a fried fuck sideways how many "innocent" civilians they wax, it is all collateral damage, and as acceptable to them as they are unaccountable to us.

    When was the last time you saw any "Police" officer do time for manslaughter for killing an innocent bytstander? Oh, right, that would be never.


    Defund the Police, defund the military, defund the whole ball of wax- time for a National Tax Strike.

    Replies: @theMann, @Muggles

    While I believe that police should be accountable for reckless endangerment and pay severe damages for incidental injuries (and prison, if totally unjustified) your rant here is stupid.

    All of those rifles you claim to notice in airports (and schools? never seen that) are mainly Security Theater for the public. You do recall terrorism don’t you? Airports and other public terminals have been popular for mass terrorism assaults. They use rifles usually.

    In France, where Muslim terrorists have killed in many pedestrian areas, you see armed military walking in four person patrols with light machine guns. At first startling, but then reassuring to this tourist. Public terrorism is down there, though you still have (mainly) random knife attacks.

    Law enforcement doesn’t carry long guns around on patrol. Some have those in vehicles or during warrant arrests for violent offenders. You would too. If criminals use rifles, LEOs need them also.

    And there are cops who are charged with murder/manslaughter and sent to prison. Just read the news. Not common but does happen.

    Maybe you protect your home with a popgun and a Bible. Not me.

    • Disagree: Chris Mallory
  59. @Muggles
    @Dr. X


    Cops should be banned from carrying any weapons other than six-shot .38 revolvers and pump-action shotguns:
     
    Then I'm sure you'd cheer when your son, daughter or niece/nephew or other family member joined up to fight crime.

    Do you think lightly armed cops would be less likely to shoot first, ask questions later?

    As for the rifles and other arms some here gripe about, those are mainly for SWAT type situations or barricaded perps shooting from inside homes, stores, etc.

    Police probably kill more innocents in reckless chases than by gunfire.

    Unless you are Antifa, are you trying to eliminate police altogether?

    Replies: @Chris Mallory, @Old Prude

    Do you think lightly armed cops would be less likely to shoot first, ask questions later?

    Fine, disarm them totally.

    As for the rifles and other arms some here gripe about, those are mainly for SWAT type situations or barricaded perps shooting from inside homes, stores, etc.

    You are behind the times. Few cops use the old 870 any more. They all have ARs (usually with a full auto switch) in their patrol cars. The shotgun was too powerful for the new females and soyboys to use.

    Unless you are Antifa, are you trying to eliminate police altogether?

    I am not ANTIFA. I am an armed American who is in more danger from armed government employees than from black thugs.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @Chris Mallory


    I am not ANTIFA. I am an armed American who is in more danger from armed government employees than from black thugs.
     
    You and Antifa are advocating the same thing. Perhaps for different reasons.

    Even the UK has somewhat abandoned the idea of unarmed cops. Do you pay any attention to how well armed most criminals are these days, the ones using violence? Do you realize that in most states you can't legally carry a firearm in public? Maybe you don't care.

    You sneer at 'soy boys and females' but then you would disarm the males too. Who do you think is going to be answering your 911 call, or you wife's or children's? Anyone?

    Unless you live in a cave you will need others. Also when in public shopping, attending sports or entertainment, restaurants, etc.

    It isn't either-or. Perhaps you are just a lefty troll trying to see how crazy Unz folks are. Can't say.

    Yes, LEOs may over react at times but they are scared of criminals too. You are in effect advocating the Antifa-commie idea of Social Workers responding to dangerous emergencies. But you of course claim to be otherwise. Same product, different wrapper.

    Replies: @Matt Buckalew

  60. @JMcG
    @Chris Mallory

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/nypd-9-shooting-bystander-victims-hit-by-police-gunfire

    August 2012. All nine bystanders in incident near Empire State Building hit by police bullets.

    Replies: @Chris Mallory

    Just one of many where the cops shoot anything and everything down range. Need to start charging more of them with reckless endangerment when they fire off a couple of magazine and only hit the bad guy once.

    • Agree: JMcG
  61. @Chris Mallory
    @Muggles


    Do you think lightly armed cops would be less likely to shoot first, ask questions later?

     

    Fine, disarm them totally.

    As for the rifles and other arms some here gripe about, those are mainly for SWAT type situations or barricaded perps shooting from inside homes, stores, etc.
     
    You are behind the times. Few cops use the old 870 any more. They all have ARs (usually with a full auto switch) in their patrol cars. The shotgun was too powerful for the new females and soyboys to use.

    Unless you are Antifa, are you trying to eliminate police altogether?
     
    I am not ANTIFA. I am an armed American who is in more danger from armed government employees than from black thugs.

    Replies: @Muggles

    I am not ANTIFA. I am an armed American who is in more danger from armed government employees than from black thugs.

    You and Antifa are advocating the same thing. Perhaps for different reasons.

    Even the UK has somewhat abandoned the idea of unarmed cops. Do you pay any attention to how well armed most criminals are these days, the ones using violence? Do you realize that in most states you can’t legally carry a firearm in public? Maybe you don’t care.

    You sneer at ‘soy boys and females’ but then you would disarm the males too. Who do you think is going to be answering your 911 call, or you wife’s or children’s? Anyone?

    Unless you live in a cave you will need others. Also when in public shopping, attending sports or entertainment, restaurants, etc.

    It isn’t either-or. Perhaps you are just a lefty troll trying to see how crazy Unz folks are. Can’t say.

    Yes, LEOs may over react at times but they are scared of criminals too. You are in effect advocating the Antifa-commie idea of Social Workers responding to dangerous emergencies. But you of course claim to be otherwise. Same product, different wrapper.

    • Replies: @Matt Buckalew
    @Muggles

    A lot of anti-cop animus is just little dick syndrome. Not that some cops aren’t similarity afflicted but when you’ve got a tiny dick any expression of authority seems monstrous-a further compounding of the vast misfortune of life.

    Needless to say my interactions with cops are always extremely cordial. If it’s a female officer I generally drive off without even a ticket.

  62. @Buffalo Joe
    Police shooting bystanders doesn't seem to be very common, but thugs shooting bystanders, especially children, gets too little press coverage. That's sad. I wonder how many pre teen children were shot and killed in 2020?

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Pericles, @donut

    “nits make lice”

  63. Yes, LEOs may over react at times but they are scared of criminals too.

    Not exactly apples to apples here. If I were to get “scared” and shoot a bystander, I’d be charged with a crime and get sued into oblivion. A cop can kill your child and not miss a day’s pay.

  64. @dvorak
    @Dr. X


    They just light up anything that moves once they start shooting and don’t stop until they run out of ammo or everyone’s dead.
     
    Quantity has a quality all its own. - Stalin
    If someone had told me a nation could start with thirty-five thousand tanks, then I'd have said, "You are crazy!" - Hitler
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClR9tcpKZec

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @iDeplorable

    Hitler Speaking Normally

    You mean he was pulling an Elizabeth Holmes? (And is that Judge Judy?)

  65. @SunBakedSuburb
    @J.Ross

    "a crowd will get away with it"

    A crowd of colour will get away with it. A crowd of whiteys not enchanted with the Babylonian plan will get their heads bashed in by cops. Those pale ones who manage to avoid the massacre will return to their cars and find the tires flattened, the windows shattered. Then they will be set upon by anti-racist sixth graders controlled and directed by black ladies. We face a grim future. I am not a drama queen.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Can’t bash the heads of the helmeted.
    Can’t slash the tires of the geographically inclined.
    Remember how Solzhenitsyn burned when he remembered.

  66. @J.Ross
    @El Dato

    Will this be the year when white people join the fun? The lefty governments of certain cities and states have done everything they can to weaken police, which necessarily means that police are also weaker against the whites who remain as the last legitimate government targets. Our rulers are self-destructively dumb and cannot see their mistake. Right now they are protected by white submissiveness, which is being eroded by unscientific and never-ending lockdown ukazes. An individual will still get crucified but, per the clearly and repeatedly stated desires of blue mayors and governors, a crowd will get away with it. They are creating a situation where their own cops cannot help and their enemies have nothing to lose.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Prof. Woland, @duncsbaby

    Will this be the year when white people join the fun?

    No. The police may not be interested in arresting white people but the Soros-backed lefty prosecutors certainly will be in making sure they are prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Having said that there will be also a lot of police interested in arresting whites since they have to make some arrests and they know most of the time there ain’t going to be any resistance from Joe Citizen protesting lock downs. Any antifa arrested will be released the next day.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @duncsbaby

    That's for individuals.

  67. @Enemy of Earth
    The following story is much more important than the one about someone acting like a criminal and suffering the consequences:

    The Alibi Drinkery in Lakeville, MN defied a state order banning indoor dining and opened for New Year's Eve. But the state is not taking this lightly as The Alibi now faces a five-year liquor license revocation "for ongoing and blatant violations " of Gov. Tim Walz' coronavirus executive order, which bans indoor dining through Jan. 10.

    Not all will blindly accept the dictates of petty mayors, city councils, and/or governors, even up here in Minnesota. Hope springs eternal.

    Replies: @duncsbaby

    The attorney general of Minnesota, Keith Ellison, has made it clear he will be persecuting Alibi Drinkery and any others who defy lock down orders.

    https://www.southernminn.com/northfield_news/news/article_ea4c0e31-aa15-5dc8-9b01-7fe0ebcef404.html

    Hope may spring eternal but Minnesotans are getting the heavy-handed Democratic controlled government they voted for. How can a man like Keith Ellison, who is so obviously there only to support his own black race, be elected to state wide office in mostly white Minnesota? It’s astounding.

    • Replies: @Joseph Doaks
    @duncsbaby

    "How can a man like Keith Ellison, who is so obviously there only to support his own black race, be elected to state wide office in mostly white Minnesota?"

    The straight party vote. Most Americans don't even know who is running for the down ticket offices. And it's the party insiders who choose the candidates and vote in the primaries. Democracy, American style.

  68. @Reg Cæsar

    Minneapolis-St. Paul keeps working right up to the end to win the coveted iSteve Content Generator of the Year crown over Milwaukee-Madison-Kenosha:
     
    In the last week of the city's record year for murders, one obviously "Native American" yclept Sherman Dean Kills Plenty tried to live up to his name by committing the last one of the year. He was too early, though. One more managed to squeak in.

    He's currently on the loose:

    https://coms.doc.state.mn.us/PublicViewer/OffenderDetails/Index/189073/Fugitive


    https://www.postbulletin.com/news/news/crime/man-skips-sentencing-for-home-invasion/article_2fed6d82-cdfc-5f0d-9b05-5ca406f03361.html

    Wonder if he's one of the Kills Plentys of Old He Dog and Upper Cut Meat:


    Juanita Pearl Kills Plenty was born at home in Old He Dog on March 13, 1954 to William Four Horns and Josephine Little Bald Eagle. She passed away at her home in Upper Cut Meat on September 3, 2013 at the age of 59 years.

    https://www.holmesfh.com/book-of-memories/1665281/kills-plenty-juanita/obituary.php
     

    Replies: @theMann, @restless94110

    In the last week of the city’s record year for murders, one obviously “Native American” yclept Sherman Dean Kills Plenty tried to live up to his name by committing the last one of the year.

    [Scratching my head]: What you been smokin’, boy? This Indian pointed a shotgun at someone with no shell in the chamber, then ran away.

    How does that mean he murdered someone?

    Lay off the loco weed for 2021, ok?

  69. @Muggles
    @Dr. X


    Cops should be banned from carrying any weapons other than six-shot .38 revolvers and pump-action shotguns:
     
    Then I'm sure you'd cheer when your son, daughter or niece/nephew or other family member joined up to fight crime.

    Do you think lightly armed cops would be less likely to shoot first, ask questions later?

    As for the rifles and other arms some here gripe about, those are mainly for SWAT type situations or barricaded perps shooting from inside homes, stores, etc.

    Police probably kill more innocents in reckless chases than by gunfire.

    Unless you are Antifa, are you trying to eliminate police altogether?

    Replies: @Chris Mallory, @Old Prude

    Whatever the cops feel they need to carry to deal with criminals should be the same thing law abiding citizens can carry for the same reason. I want one of those flame-thrower tanks Janet Reno’s boys used to burn up those children and their parents down Texas way. I’ll settle for an MP-4 like the one Janet’s boys used to snatch that Cuban kid from the trailer home to deport him back to Castro.

  70. @Muggles
    @Old Prude


    Recall the chest-thumping when SEAL snipers gunned down some Somali pirates?
     
    If you are thinking of the famous pirate incident where pirates had a hostage in a bobbing boat and the SEALS had to take a couple out from another ship, no member of your rod-and-gun club could have taken those shots successfully.

    Now sitting on your lawn, maybe. If you have been on the ocean in a small ship you'd know how tough that shooting was. Even totally calm it would have been amazing.

    "Everything looks easy to an amateur."

    Replies: @Old Prude

    A fine piece of shooting, to be sure. But as I said: Somali teenagers are not worthy opponents for the U.S. Navy. Quit the cheering and go about your business.

  71. @duncsbaby
    @J.Ross

    Will this be the year when white people join the fun?

    No. The police may not be interested in arresting white people but the Soros-backed lefty prosecutors certainly will be in making sure they are prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Having said that there will be also a lot of police interested in arresting whites since they have to make some arrests and they know most of the time there ain't going to be any resistance from Joe Citizen protesting lock downs. Any antifa arrested will be released the next day.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    That’s for individuals.

  72. @Muggles
    @Chris Mallory


    I am not ANTIFA. I am an armed American who is in more danger from armed government employees than from black thugs.
     
    You and Antifa are advocating the same thing. Perhaps for different reasons.

    Even the UK has somewhat abandoned the idea of unarmed cops. Do you pay any attention to how well armed most criminals are these days, the ones using violence? Do you realize that in most states you can't legally carry a firearm in public? Maybe you don't care.

    You sneer at 'soy boys and females' but then you would disarm the males too. Who do you think is going to be answering your 911 call, or you wife's or children's? Anyone?

    Unless you live in a cave you will need others. Also when in public shopping, attending sports or entertainment, restaurants, etc.

    It isn't either-or. Perhaps you are just a lefty troll trying to see how crazy Unz folks are. Can't say.

    Yes, LEOs may over react at times but they are scared of criminals too. You are in effect advocating the Antifa-commie idea of Social Workers responding to dangerous emergencies. But you of course claim to be otherwise. Same product, different wrapper.

    Replies: @Matt Buckalew

    A lot of anti-cop animus is just little dick syndrome. Not that some cops aren’t similarity afflicted but when you’ve got a tiny dick any expression of authority seems monstrous-a further compounding of the vast misfortune of life.

    Needless to say my interactions with cops are always extremely cordial. If it’s a female officer I generally drive off without even a ticket.

  73. @theMann
    @theMann

    post was meant to reply to Dr. X, not sure how I clicked on it wrong.

    Replies: @Matt Buckalew

    Probably because you period had just started and you got distracted by the hormone cascade.

  74. Lay off the loco weed for 2021, ok?

    Rag won the Geriatric Word Diarrhea Olympics in 2020 over Ahnad Doucheman by a score of 6,680 posts to Achnad’s 6,624. Show a little respect.

    Besides, when you have to post almost 7,000 times in a year, you don’t have time for quality, remaining on topic, being funny, being insightful, interesting, or really anything other than being an asshole, filling the comments with inanities.

  75. @dvorak
    @Dr. X


    They just light up anything that moves once they start shooting and don’t stop until they run out of ammo or everyone’s dead.
     
    Quantity has a quality all its own. - Stalin
    If someone had told me a nation could start with thirty-five thousand tanks, then I'd have said, "You are crazy!" - Hitler
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClR9tcpKZec

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @iDeplorable

    Quantity has a quality all its own. – Stalin

    Quantify has a quality all its own – Car Grease and Achnad Douchman

    FIFY

  76. @duncsbaby
    @Anon

    I'm honestly surprised it was a Somali. Although the Somali element in Minneapolis and now the whole upper mid-west (Minnesota, North and South Dakota) has been a huge negative for many reasons; they usually aren't shooting things up.

    Steve coined the phrase, "stabby Somali," which is usually the case. My guess is the Somalis of Mpls are truly becoming Americanized to black American culture. I think this is a harbinger of ruinous things to come.

    Replies: @anonymous

    they’ve been westernized for quite a few years now, non-immigrant somali in the west have extremely low birth rates and completely absorbed into gang/thug culture.

  77. @rebel yell
    The video pretty clearly shows the suspects using the car to resist/escape, and the cops finally shooting to stop them. The slow motion analysis, according to the article, shows the bad guy driver shooting first at the police and the police returning fire.
    Half of the American people will look at this and see cops risking their lives to protect the public from a dangerous violent criminal.
    The other half of the country will look at this exact same video and see a racist execution of a helpless, frightened, innocent black man by monstrous whites.
    What's the use of political debate? Can any amount of argument or explanation bring liberals to their senses?

    Replies: @Bill, @Dan Smith, @Joseph Doaks

    “Can any amount of argument or explanation bring liberals to their senses?”

    No chance! But perhaps living a few years under the senile godfather of the Biden crime family as president will convert some of them.

  78. @duncsbaby
    @Enemy of Earth

    The attorney general of Minnesota, Keith Ellison, has made it clear he will be persecuting Alibi Drinkery and any others who defy lock down orders.

    https://www.southernminn.com/northfield_news/news/article_ea4c0e31-aa15-5dc8-9b01-7fe0ebcef404.html

    Hope may spring eternal but Minnesotans are getting the heavy-handed Democratic controlled government they voted for. How can a man like Keith Ellison, who is so obviously there only to support his own black race, be elected to state wide office in mostly white Minnesota? It's astounding.

    Replies: @Joseph Doaks

    “How can a man like Keith Ellison, who is so obviously there only to support his own black race, be elected to state wide office in mostly white Minnesota?”

    The straight party vote. Most Americans don’t even know who is running for the down ticket offices. And it’s the party insiders who choose the candidates and vote in the primaries. Democracy, American style.

  79. @Father O'Hara
    There is now an Irish George Floyd,as a Nigerian peaceful knife waver was racistly shot. Oh God! What a loss! He was a good boy!!

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @Ed, @J.Ross, @Anonymous, @bigdicknick, @bigdicknick

    ireland’s legacy of slavery strikes again or something.

  80. @Father O'Hara
    There is now an Irish George Floyd,as a Nigerian peaceful knife waver was racistly shot. Oh God! What a loss! He was a good boy!!

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @Ed, @J.Ross, @Anonymous, @bigdicknick, @bigdicknick

    ireland’s legacy of slavery strikes again or something.

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