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Last fall, I asked:
Does Western Europe Need a Continent-wide Organization to Defend Its Borders?
STEVE SAILER • SEPTEMBER 7, 2015 • 100 WORDS • 87 COMMENTSActually, Europe is already supposed to have one, complete with an almost-finished billion dollar headquarters building, which next year will replace its current quite lavish HQ.
It’s called NATO.
And yet NATO’s main role seems instead to have been to blow up the government holding back the tide in Libya.
Invade-the-World, Invite-the-World, indeed.
But now, five months later, it’s finally occurred to the Great and the Good that NATO actually, you know, exists:
NATO Will Send Ships to Aegean Sea to Deter Human Trafficking
By MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT and SEWELL CHAN FEB. 11, 2016 130 COMMENTSBRUSSELS — With more than a million migrants having reached Europe in the last year and many more on the way, NATO stepped into the crisis for the first time on Thursday, saying it would deploy ships to the Aegean Sea in an attempt to stop smugglers.
But while the hastily made decision reflected the growing urgency of the situation, it was not clear that it would have much practical effect on the flow of refugees fleeing Syria’s five-year civil war:
But, NATO reassures reporters, it won’t use it’s trillion dollar investment in hardware to do anything:
The alliance said it would not seek to block the often rickety and overcrowded migrant vessels or turn them back, and military officials were scrambling to determine precisely what role their warships would play.
NATO’s secretary general, Jens Stoltenberg, said that “this is not about stopping or pushing back refugee boats.”
Gen. Philip M. Breedlove of the United States Air Force, NATO’s supreme allied commander for Europe, subsequently told reporters here that his staff was figuring out the rules of engagement and how to deal with refugee boats that are intercepted.
Sounds like a plan!
In NATO’s defense, it clearly doesn’t have a big enough headquarter’s staff to come up with a plan, as shown by its tiny new HQ building.
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Well, you heard them! NATO will be there to rescue and ship refugees safely to Europe’s shores.. Thanks for nothing, NATO!
Problem solved !
BTW, has anyone told the able bodied male refugees that it’s actually their responsibility to stay and fight for their women, children, families and homeland?
I.e., they just can’t camp out in a Euro-socialist heaven, letting other people fight for them? And then sashay back when the jihadists are gone (killed by somebody else) and the coast is clear?
They want free stuff and blond women and they know where to go to get it.
Steve you know NATO belongs to the Globalists and they 3rd world rapefugees at home and war with Russia abroad.
Every time I hear the word “NATO” I think of cuckservatism. And I am talking about literal cuckholdery here, NATO is bolstering defenses in places like Latvia and at the same time women are being groped and raped in increasing numbers in the West and nothing is done to stop it. I truly wonder what goes through the head of the average NATO grunt, are they simply stupid and do not know what is going on, or do they truly care more about defending Latvia against n0n threats than having their own nation taken over by and endless stream of foreigners ?
I've talked to a lot of conservative foreign policy types. Talk to them about immigration in isolation, and they'll agree with the most draconian solutions. But a second later, they go back to convincing themselves that confronting Putin and Assad somehow has something to do with defending their country.
The military man today has a lot in common with the National Review cuck.Replies: @BB753
They have no intention of sashaying back to Syria or Pakistan or Somalia. Most of the migrants are not fleeing war zones. Syrians are a minority among migrants.
They want free stuff and blond women and they know where to go to get it.
Wow, aren’t we lucky that western tax payers haven’t given ISIS an H.Q. like that one. Sorry, hold the presses on that one…
I think that all immigrants should be let in.
After years of Europe screwing up the world through slavery and colonialism it is only fair that the dispossessed and brutalized get a fair shake
Seriously we didn't have any occasion to colonize, have fun and oppress the world like English or French did but still we have to pay for this pillaging in taking vast hordes of migrants.
Screw this. Lets build a wall. It works in Israel.
Gotta love that headquarters. Looks like the f*cking Ministry of Love in Orwell’s 1984…Remind me, who won the Cold War?
It looks like a giant train station. Does it run on time?
this a very, very cynical coup by the European governments, which again will give many Europeans a false feeling of reassurance. Just two weeks ago Angela Merkel bragged about how the Germany Navy alone operating in the mediterranean sea has “saved” at least 10.000 “refugees”. This practically means that the smugglers have to ship maybe 5 km into the sea off from the Libyan coast, the German navy comes to help and takes the immigrants into their own ships and takes them to Europe. Also a few days ago I read that Frontex (the EU border control) is proud to have had “saved” 100.000 refugees in the sea last year. So first step to any effective border control for Europe would actually be the neutralization of the german navy (and probably the french and italian as well) and Frontex.
Not an issue, they haven’t the faintest intention of sashaying back, whether the coast is clear or not. They have every incentive to continue the colonization of Europe as long as they are permitted to do so: safety, free health care, welfare, night clubs and a large population of fair women with revealing wardrobes and two eyebrows each.
Sounds rather muddleheaded. Again, what are they going to do? For all the money that’s been spent can NATO accomplish anything besides attack fourth-world countries? Or is the purpose to spend money and provide sinecures for otherwise worthless people?
However, aren’t Putin’s Imperial Ambitions the most pressing problem in the world?
https://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2016/02/11/putin-threatening-wwiii-over-turkey/
I have a plan. Use these cool new “littoral warfare” ships to cruise along the shoreline and destroy every boat at every dock or beach. No need to even drown people.
WW II ended in 1945. The USSR fell in 1991. Is there any reason for the USA to be part of NATO? Let the Europeans defend Europe.
I expect there is, but not one that serves the interests of the American or European peoples.Replies: @anon
NATO has no problem killing these people before they seek refuge in Europe. Why not simply kill the refugees? Aren’t they just collateral damage that isn’t dead yet?
will nato turkey send boats to help nato not-turkey stop nato turkey sending hords of rapeugees to nato not-turkey?
I feel the same way. NATO is probably staffed by some guys who have pretty conservative instincts, but they are somehow under the delusion that they’re actually defending the West.
I’ve talked to a lot of conservative foreign policy types. Talk to them about immigration in isolation, and they’ll agree with the most draconian solutions. But a second later, they go back to convincing themselves that confronting Putin and Assad somehow has something to do with defending their country.
The military man today has a lot in common with the National Review cuck.
Why don’t they just recruit the pirates to kidnap the immigrants ?
Problem solved !
After all, NATO stands today for Naïvely Admit The Other.
I've talked to a lot of conservative foreign policy types. Talk to them about immigration in isolation, and they'll agree with the most draconian solutions. But a second later, they go back to convincing themselves that confronting Putin and Assad somehow has something to do with defending their country.
The military man today has a lot in common with the National Review cuck.Replies: @BB753
Military men are natural cucks. All talk and no walk. Aye aye sir! is all you’ll hear from them. Soldiers obey orders.
NATO is not the right organization, Frontex is.
European Agency for the Management of Operational Cooperation at the External Borders
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frontex
Warships are the wrong tool. Actually Greece has plenty of warships especially the U Boats Germany sold them.
Militant Islamists.
After years of Europe screwing up the world through slavery and colonialism it is only fair that the dispossessed and brutalized get a fair shakeReplies: @boogerbently, @Bies Podkrakowski
You forgot to add the (sarc) sign.
Stirring up trouble on the Ukraine, Russia frontier, that’s a job NATO can sink its teeth into.
BTW, does anybody know where Ukraine ends and Russia begins? I’m not talking about some arbitrarily drawn lines on a map, set their by some party factotum, but where does Ukrainian identity end and Russian identity begin? That would be a good job for some of these PhDs in the state department to get on.
BTW, does anybody know where Ukraine ends and Russia begins? I'm not talking about some arbitrarily drawn lines on a map, set their by some party factotum, but where does Ukrainian identity end and Russian identity begin? That would be a good job for some of these PhDs in the state department to get on.Replies: @Steve Sailer
That’s kind of the problem.
Why stay in some Islamic shitsville when once you get asylum in Sweden, Germany, France etc. you can legally bring in wives, second wives and children you left behind.
How do you spend a BILLION dollars on a head quarters? Or a football stadium?
I think whites and yellows should evict all the non-whites from Africa, Latin America, and most of Asia, to Antarctica. Then take the continents for themselves. After so many years of Africans and most Asians and Latin Americans being worthless, it’s only fair someone should do something worthwhile with all that land and all those resources.
And the Asians, Africans, and Latins will make Antarctica a paradise.
Actually they are fighting in a sense for their women, children and families back home. They are colonizers laying claim to new, rich lands that will provide their women, children and families a lifestyle they could never before imagine.
All of the dead rapefugees are on leftists’ heads. It’s been their weakness that gave the rapefugees the incentive to invade, leading to all those deaths.
Yes, and when someone takes it upon himself to make that decision, such as Khrushchev deeding Crimea to Ukraine, the facts on the ground don’t necessarily support the move.
“Land”; you keep using that word – I don’t think it means what you think it means.
Invade the world; Invite the World. The ones staying home were useless; Invade them. The refugees will help destroy western civilization; Invite them. Do pay attention, please.
~ the Oligarchs.
Are you sure that’s NATO’s, and not the Southern Poverty Law Center’s European branch office?
It looks like a giant train station. Does it run on time?
~ the Oligarchs.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
Don’t leave out Infect the World. With our promiscuous rights talk.
Rather than concentrate on stopping the many rickety rafts carrying refugees to the Greek islands, a more efficient use of NATO’s military resources would be to sink one of those large ferries carrying the refugees from Lesbos to Athens. That would go far to put a halt to the flow of refugees. More bang for the buck.
The force that’s nominally organized to defend the West, will actually act to make sure the West doesn’t defend itself.
Isteve is great but there are other sites that discuss the nasty hardcore savage truths of the new global elite.
These globalists are going for the brass ring. Isteve doesn’t allow detailed discussion of the horror that is planned. Suffice to say that you must flood the west with invaders BEFORE staging the ultimate false flag and not after.
The millisecond after the “terrorist” nuke goes off (no matter how small the kilo-tonnage) that is the moment that all immigration ends!
The globalists are scrambling like mad to emigrate as many warm bodies now because they know it won’t be possible in the near future.
NATO should rent out the roof of its new headquarters for motorcycle races.
“WW II ended in 1945. The USSR fell in 1991. Is there any reason for the USA to be part of NATO?”
I expect there is, but not one that serves the interests of the American or European peoples.
Regardless of how little you think of the Europeans, if you think it's in the American interests to give up Europe to Russia (since this would happen, if NATO/U.S. withdrew its shield), you don't understand Russia. Or are a member of Putin's hasbara.Replies: @iSteveFan
Then what does it mean?
Your question has been debated for the past 25 years and is one of the major dividing lines between the paleocons (Pat Buchanan types) who thought NATO’s purpose ended in 1991, and the neocons (war party) who thought NATO should remain and expand its mission.
“…After years of Europe screwing up the world through slavery and colonialism it is only fair that the dispossessed and brutalized get a fair shake…
(1) Why? Only fair? So two wrongs really do make a right? Good thinking, I think this government can use people like you!
(2) A fair shake? You might be confused as to what the elites behind this have in mind for these poor sods. Probably more like cannon fodder, hanging sheetrock, and perfect welfare proles and welfare-voters then a fair shake. Of course, that’s pretty much the same as what they seem to have in mind for the rest of us.
Easily, and that’s nothing. How did the Americans spend over a trillion (trillion with a T, as in a thousand billion) on the pretty unimpressive new F-35?
This current ‘migrant crisis’ is the best possible justification for Britain to leave the EU.
To its boosters, the EU has always been billed as a way for the European nations to bolster their influence and – most of all – to emulate and ape the USA.
But once faced with any decision of any real import, such as the Yugoslav wars of the 90s, or the ‘migrant’ crisis, all you get from the EU leadership and command structure is endless dither, head-in-the-sand burying, active ignorance, indecision, panic, faffing about, and in the final analysis general uselessness.
The general trend seems to be this – as the EU takes more and more power for itself, it becomes more and more useless and incompetent.
Isn’t there some kind of a “law” relating the size of a organization’s headquarters staff and the effectiveness of the organization? I think it would be “inverse proportionality.”
It’s one of Parkinson’s Laws? By the time the organization gets itself the perfect headquarters building, it will be past its peak.
A good example of that is Silver Age Disney animation from the late 1980s onward (The Little Mermaid, Aladdin, Beauty and the Beast, and Lion King, but then a lot of movies that it’s hard to remember). A fellow I knew who was an accountant there explained that in the 1980s the animation division hadn’t had a hit in years, so they were parked in a warehouse down by the railroad tracks. It was big open dump, filled with a whole bunch of talented but unknown Cal Arts grads like Clements and Musker who were mostly trying to crack each other up. To the surprise of everybody, they got into a real hot streak. But then “Lion King” made a billion dollars, so a grateful Disney brass built them an architectural showpiece next to HQ right off the 101 and gave them all private offices and secretaries and lots of important meetings with Marketing and the Happy Meals people to go to.
And then the movies stopped getting better and Pixar came along and ate their lunch.
I think that the same observation might be made of the manned space program. When I visited Cape Canaveral years ago I was astounded by how small and spartan Mission Control was for the Mercury and Gemini flights. How big is the Johnson Space Center today? And today we have to hitch a ride on Russian rockets even to get to low earth orbit!
After years of Europe screwing up the world through slavery and colonialism it is only fair that the dispossessed and brutalized get a fair shakeReplies: @boogerbently, @Bies Podkrakowski
So… Central European countries were screwing the world through slavery and colonialism? When did this happen? Maybe my history textbooks had it all wrong? And now we must be punished.
Seriously we didn’t have any occasion to colonize, have fun and oppress the world like English or French did but still we have to pay for this pillaging in taking vast hordes of migrants.
Screw this. Lets build a wall. It works in Israel.
Until they muck it up, but it will take a while, and they’ll still have some whiteys to work to death when they’re not screwing him to death. Kind of like South Africa.
If there is anything I’ve read that shoved two fingers down my throat and made me barf up the blue pills I was self-medicating with, it was Ilana Mercer’s book on South Africa.
I expect there is, but not one that serves the interests of the American or European peoples.Replies: @anon
Right, it’s not as though Russia has ever taken half of Europe for half of a century, or sizable chunks of Eastern Europe for several centuries, or invaded any countries.
Regardless of how little you think of the Europeans, if you think it’s in the American interests to give up Europe to Russia (since this would happen, if NATO/U.S. withdrew its shield), you don’t understand Russia. Or are a member of Putin’s hasbara.
Even though the Soviets occupied Poland and Hungary for 45 years, once they left they remained Polish and Hungarian. But what will be the fate of Europe if the population replacement is allowed to continue? Will Europeans still be Europeans in the future?
If the Russians were capable, which they are not, of invading Europe and putting an end to the nonsense of the EU, then I'd say that would be better for the future of Europe than sticking with the status quo. A Russian invasion might also rekindle European manhood which they seem to need as much or more than the removal of the EU. Sadly, Russia is not in a position to do this and the only other super power, the USA, is on board with the demographic transformation of Europe and America.
Regardless of how little you think of the Europeans, if you think it's in the American interests to give up Europe to Russia (since this would happen, if NATO/U.S. withdrew its shield), you don't understand Russia. Or are a member of Putin's hasbara.Replies: @iSteveFan
You make a valid point about not wanting the Russians to occupy parts of Europe. But what is it that you defend? Under the current leadership structure of the EU and NATO, Europe is doomed. Their leadership is actively promoting the demographic replacement of the Europeans. This is not some mistaken policy decision like choosing tax rates or which industries to invest money which can be readily changed at a later date. They may very well irreparably damage Europe.
Even though the Soviets occupied Poland and Hungary for 45 years, once they left they remained Polish and Hungarian. But what will be the fate of Europe if the population replacement is allowed to continue? Will Europeans still be Europeans in the future?
If the Russians were capable, which they are not, of invading Europe and putting an end to the nonsense of the EU, then I’d say that would be better for the future of Europe than sticking with the status quo. A Russian invasion might also rekindle European manhood which they seem to need as much or more than the removal of the EU. Sadly, Russia is not in a position to do this and the only other super power, the USA, is on board with the demographic transformation of Europe and America.
“Land” is the stuff the refugees are leaving behind, which would be as nice as that in Italy or SoCal, if a western Euro people owned it.
Am I to understand, based on this picture above, that the NATO headquarters has been designed in such a manner that a highway runs right over the top of it? Surely, that can’t be right! But it sure looks like it.
The true alphas shitpost on anonymous message boards…
Right. SWPL acquaintances always maintain that, despite all the tough talk, I wouldn’t have the capacity to shoot these “innocent people”. I ask them if the situation were reversed, would these people have any compunction about shooting me?