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I have a theory that executives tend to hire people who look like them, only younger, as their proteges. Often this quasi-nepotistic practice leads to discrimination and privilege and so forth, but sometimes it works out.
For example, one of the key American scientific public intellectuals of World War II was Vannevar Bush (1890-1974) of MIT. He co-founded Raytheon in 1922, which is a giant defense contractor today. He was dean of MIT school of engineering in the 1930s, and during WWII was more or less the top scientific advisor of the war effort, pushing for the Manhattan Project and much else.
Among other projects, Bush built analog computers during the 1920s and 1930s, such as his differential analyzer.
One of his proteges on the computing machine project was a student named Claude Shannon (1916-2001).
At age 21, Shannon wrote an epochal thesis pointing out that there was a simpler way to design electronic computing machines.
Each previous computing machine had been a tour de force of ad hoc design, but Shannon had learned in a philosophy undergrad course that in the 1850s George Boole had invented binary algebra, which would be ideal for electronic devices.
There existed an entire shelf of books working out Boolean logic, which electrical engineers could adopt wholesale.
This trillion dollar bill laying on the sidewalk probably paid for the entire 2500 year history of philosophy instruction.
The mentor Bush thought the protege Shannon was a “genius.” He was right, as a decade later in 1948, Shannon developed a second landmark idea, Information Theory.
It probably didn’t hurt that the mentor and protege were remarkably similar looking, down to the slightly smug but with good-reason half-smiles.
And the both lived to 84 years old.
Some what different shaped careers: Bush peaking as a manager in his 50s, Shannon peaking as a solo theoretician in his 30s. After WWII, Bell Labs moved from Greenwich Village to suburban New Jersey, but Shannon stayed behind because he liked jazz club waitresses and an empty office building to get his thinking about Information Theory done in.
He was so important that Rutgers itself went from, well, Rutgers, to the most prestigious philosophy department in the world.
Colin Mcginn, a leading British philosopher, moved from Oxbridge to the University of Miami of all places. He said he was tired of "second-rate" British thinkers at Oxford sitting around telling each other how smart they were and hey, the weather and amenities are nicer in Miami...
Philosophy might be one of the only fields where if you have your pick of jobs it doesn't matter how prestigious the institution is because you don't need their resrouces. I imagine that option seems more perilous if you need to run a giant chemistry lab packed full of bright students and millions in grant money. Hey, maybe you'd rather live in the Blue Ridge mountains than Berkeley or Palo Alto but....Replies: @Desiderius, @Deckin
Based on this theory, he should have also hired Tony Perkins, Don Adams, and Mister Rogers. And where would the Internet be then? A heap of smoking ruins?
Considering what the Internet has done to warp human behavior in just twenty short years, maybe we should have put Maxwell Smart in charge.
Look how successful Liberace’s protege (young ward?) turned out to be.
Excuse me, but those “half-smiles” you speak of so approvingly are better known as “the Covington Smirk.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/01/25/time-take-covington-smirk/
Look at some videos from variety shows from the 1950s and 1960s (e.g., Ed Sullivan, Arthur Godfrey), when the camera resolution was starting to be good enough, and you will be amazed how many singers and other celebrities had really bad teeth (darkened, crooked, missing).
My older dentist from my childhood used to tell me that when films and television images starting showing sufficient resolution is when people (including the public) started to be really conscious about their teeth. Bigger celebs before then, such as Sinatra, etc... wore caps (vinyl coverings), but the B-list celebrities and politicians didn't.Replies: @prosa123, @Bill Jones
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/01/25/time-take-covington-smirk/Replies: @SFG, @Ringo Starr, @Grace Jones
He does look genuinely smirk-y in that photo. Which of course is no reason to make him and his high school into the target of the entire Internet on behalf of your b***s*** left-wing agenda. Take 100 photos of anyone over the course of a day and you can find one where they look like a jerk.
I tend to pick the smart but pretty chicks: Now you have me wondering what my real motives are
I do kind of wonder if this is an ‘all WASPs look alike’ kind of thing as the country diversifies–i.e., Bush wouldn’t have thought Shannon looked so similar given the smaller white substrate he would have been comparing to at the time. I’d also bet the expression was probably more common given the ideals of reserve and professionalism hadn’t yet been eroded by the 1960s–men were serious men in those days. It’s amazing how adult people in old pictures look.
Still, you’re almost certainly right there is some ‘paternal thing’ going on when people choose mentors and proteges. It does undoubtedly go along gender and racial lines (women mentor women, whites mentor whites, and so on), though I’d bet people here see that as less of a problem, as groups fall into niches they’re suited for. The Asian guy who helped me out in my career had a white wife and hence hapa son, so maybe half is close enough these days.
I’ll close with another bit of Dead White Male: “He was a man. Take him for all in all. I shall not look upon his like again.”
The link to Shannon is broken in my browser, so I downloaded and posted a picture of him on Imgur.
A great Sailerian insight.
Perhaps someone more schooled in such matters could tell me how unworkable that would be. I aced Digital Hardware but shortly thereafter abandoned EE for the better marriage prospects in ISyE.Replies: @kaganovitch, @bomag
I had the same thought upon reading that sentence. That sentence trenchantly describes how purely theoretical research contributes to human advancement — most of the time it wanders aimlessly, and then very occasionally stumbles upon a trillion-dollar bill lying on the pavement. A great turn on phrase with considerable insight.
There is a similar story about an early biologist who made diatoms his life's study. This was for years considered an example of scientific "stamp collecting" - essentially a futile exercise in gathering recondite information that was relevant to no practical purpose. Then it was determined that certain types of fossilized diatoms were often found in the vicinity of petroleum deposits.
The irony being that Shannon himself doesn't seem like the wandering nor the aimless type.
The genius of the division of labor between Art and Science.
Shannon of course being the artist.
I’ve seen a lot less of this than I would have once expected.
Thinking of the good old days, and better days at Berkeley: the once Dean of Chemistry, Mass. born Gilbert N. Lewis; discoverer of the covalent bond and much else (nominated for the Nobel 41 times) had Mass. born protege Elliot Quincy Adams of similar visage.
“Lewis remarked that “the two most profound scientific minds, among the people he had known, were those of Elliot Q Adams and Albert Einstein.” (wiki)
OT – but I can’t wait for Steve’s review of “Bad Hair”. https://film.avclub.com/taylor-swift-crashes-sundance-but-opening-night-belong-1841205818
Schopenhauer said the hostility between those in the same trade (there is a terrific German composite noun for this my memory is failing on) is always present between women because all women are in the same trade. It is one of his better quips that cannot be used in mixed company.
Steve, do you suffer from prosopagnosia, face blindness?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosopagnosia
OT:
Vagina surgery ‘sought by girls as young as nine’
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-40410459
Interesting article detailing the extent of non-trans body dysphoria in certain kinds of young girls. Some of them want reconstructive surgery, some of the others say things like:
This is all very bad and upsetting except when they declare themselves to be trans, then it’s stunning and brave and the doctor this story is painting as a feminist hero is a bigot who might face legal consequences.
It’s fascinating to me because the fastest growing cohort of trans people are pre-teen and teenage girls. (The so-called ROGD cases) The trans ideology is so sacred that even a cohort so obviously afflicted with cluster B personality disorders and anxiety about their appearance rather than ‘having a male brain’ (The ubiquity of septum piercings among FtMs is just diagnostic and the least masculine thing imaginable.) and is using this as a maladaptive desperate coping mechanism is just sent on down the crazy road of cosmetic hormone therapy (Who cares what the other effects are) and surgical mutilation. It’s weird because we accept it is possible for a teenage girl to hate her body and want to surgically alter it as a serious mental illness that requires intervention other than surgery.
I can think of no (heterosexual) male that, if given the opportunity for an up close look at a woman's privates, would complain about the view.Replies: @Altai
Will the attacks ever cease?Replies: @SFG, @Desiderius
This one could light your cigar:
Claude Shannon is very good looking.
I love skinny men with sharp features.
I think women more often tend to see other women as competitors and feel threatened by them. In general, the less competent are threatened by the more competent and so incompetent psychopaths that worm their way to the head of organizations makes sure to get rid of any competent people below them who might become potential rivals.
I don’t think Bush and Shannon look alike.
At first I thought that this was just an overlap in the photographic portrait conventions of the time but then I googled a bunch more photos and no, they really do look quite a bit alike – they both have long tapering U shaped faces and other facial similarities, more so than any two randomly chosen WASPy guys.
Perhaps in his old age he enjoyed the popular TV series starring actor Christopher Timothy.
https://www.aveleyman.com/Gallery/2017/T/tve17151-19781021-13.jpg
Though he did not live long enough to enjoy anything featuring versatile actor Hugh Laurie.
https://personalliteracyprofile.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/210.gif
Occam’s razor:
So the smartest kid at MIT in the 30’s caught the eye of the MIT head of engineering, who was a successful entrepreneur and likely good at technical talent spotting.
Occam’s butter knife:
Because they looked similar.
The guy making the connection between Zim — Bob — Way — In paper currency and electronic currency and sub-Saharan Africa and the globalizer financializers and the fact that over 90 percent of US dollars are electronic is hitting the mark.
The human factor trumps the smart guys creating electronic stuff, every damn time.
So this guy uses on or off switches to increase computing power and the bastards go off the partial gold standard in 1971 and go electronic currency. When did Dylan go electric with Goldberg and then The Band? Paul Butterfield is in there somewhere. Dylan goes electric in 1965 and Ohio Boy Nixon goes electronic currency in 1971 and it’s all because Shannon and Bush — two dead guys I don’t trust because they both had full heads of hair — started up with the electronics and the electric nonsense.
These guys — Bush and Shannon — opened the Pandora’s box to debt-based fiat currency and the asset bubbles created by that high IQ creation has allowed the globalized ruling classes to flood European Christian nations with mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration. The greedy ones born before 1965 were bought off with asset bubbles and debt created by Bush and Shannon and their electronic currency and all the rest and the greedy ones born before 1965 kept quiet about all the foreigners flooding into their nations. Yeah, some Scottish guy Law in France and some South Sea place and some tulips and the like had their funny money asset bubbles, but this Boo — Laying logic of on or off switches has taken the cake. It’s Nighttime In The Switching Yard for the current electronically created global asset bubbles — that I can tell you.
I don’t care what Sailer blogs about. I can always bring it back to monetary policy and baldness.
I ain’t bitter about being bald, but I believe guys over 40 with full heads of hair have sold their souls to the Devil.
It's genetic. Either that or the Devil is just biding his time to collect.
Vagina surgery 'sought by girls as young as nine'
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-40410459Interesting article detailing the extent of non-trans body dysphoria in certain kinds of young girls. Some of them want reconstructive surgery, some of the others say things like:This is all very bad and upsetting except when they declare themselves to be trans, then it's stunning and brave and the doctor this story is painting as a feminist hero is a bigot who might face legal consequences.It's fascinating to me because the fastest growing cohort of trans people are pre-teen and teenage girls. (The so-called ROGD cases) The trans ideology is so sacred that even a cohort so obviously afflicted with cluster B personality disorders and anxiety about their appearance rather than 'having a male brain' (The ubiquity of septum piercings among FtMs is just diagnostic and the least masculine thing imaginable.) and is using this as a maladaptive desperate coping mechanism is just sent on down the crazy road of cosmetic hormone therapy (Who cares what the other effects are) and surgical mutilation. It's weird because we accept it is possible for a teenage girl to hate her body and want to surgically alter it as a serious mental illness that requires intervention other than surgery.Replies: @Mark in BC, @bomag
The linked article is definitive proof (as if it was needed) that woman/girls have no understanding whatsoever of men/boys.
I can think of no (heterosexual) male that, if given the opportunity for an up close look at a woman’s privates, would complain about the view.
Historically, women had to sacrifice so much, deal with hostile cultures, and overcome so much bias to get into and climb in male professions that older women are resentful that younger women have a significantly easier time, and can expect to sacrifice much less. My hypothesis is that women will be more and more likely to mentor women as time goes on. There is also the fact that young women think older women are held back by discrimination, so a male mentor can open more doors for them than a woman can. This effect will also fade with time.
https://twokindsofintelligence.files.wordpress.com/2019/02/painting1.jpgYes, age discrimination. It's like that recent research that showed that black men were indeed getting harsher sentences than others-- but mostly because they were male.
https://www.statepress.com/article/2016/10/spopinion-gender-disparity-in-the-criminal-justice-system#
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/women-must-face-the-same-justice-as-men-xcmcx7d5j
Yeah, I’ve actually noticed quite a bit of the reverse (men mentoring women) over the years, and it’s not always a romantic phenomenon. In some cases, it seems to be a surrogate daughter kind of thing (cf Steve’s observation about how all those elderly White male elites embraced con woman Elizabeth Holmes as the daughter-that-I-deserved). In Michael Crichton’s Disclosure, the ambitious female exec deliberately plays the role of surrogate daughter to the tech company’s founder .She even subtly alters her appearance via plastic surgery in order to increase her resemblance to his deceased daughter.
I’m surprised none of you geniuses has speculated that Shannon might have been Bush’s illegitimate offspring. It was not uncommon to provide for such unauthorized heirs; wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
In 1945, Vannevar Bush wrote the visionary essay “As We May Think.” It was published in The Atlantic. Of course, that was back when it was a serious magazine, not a WOKE fanzine…..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/As_We_May_Think
Bush’s memex:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memex
I’ve noticed that Asian males often want to horn in on such arrangements even if the substitute daughter is more suitable as white daddy’s adopted heir. I can’t figure out if this is the result of envy without the pride that would inhibit the display of it (not wanting to be seen as wanting to be daddy’s little girl) or if there’s perhaps some sexual fixation that young Asian males have on older white males.
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In the Los Angeles Times a headline caught my eye:
Native women are vanishing across the U.S. Inside an aunt’s desperate search for her niece
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-01-31/murdered-missing-native-american-women
1. This seems to have spread from Canada, where for years there has been a fake news conspiracy that First Nations women are being attacked and killed. It has resulted in legislation and in one of those patented Canadian Inquisition-style tribunals.
2. But wait, Trump in involved. In November he signed this weird executive order:
Executive Order on Establishing the Task Force on Missing and Murdered American Indians and Alaska Natives
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-establishing-task-force-missing-murdered-american-indians-alaska-natives/
3. The punchline to the Canadian stuff is that it sort of turned out in the end that First Nations guys were beating up and killing First Nations gals. This is being ignored however and the beat goes on with the tribunals and the calls for action.
Back to the L.A. Times: The headlined poster girl in the article is an Aubrey Dameron, a 25-year-old statuesque damsel, 5-10. And there’s a photo, very large forehead, Neanderthal brow (maybe Native American women have that?). Still …
Yikes, paragraph 18, casually in passing, “Dameron, a transgender woman.” The article briefly detours to some LGBT stuff, but then is back to this Native American problem.
There’s a weirdly New York Times vibe to the piece. It’s not what it seems unless you read it upside down, and there is a “fake trend” smell to the Native American Genocide theme … but the Trump angle spins it into clownsville. What is going on, if anything?
Shannon is an Irish name, his mother, Mabel Wolf, was German. Bush was a WASP. I guess they were both Northern Euros, but not exactly “WASPy”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ogden_(colonist)
Is "Wolf" always a German surname? Ancestry.com says that it can be English, Danish, or German:https://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=wolf
Also, there's a strong tendency to lump everyone of Protestant Old American ancestry into the WASP category.Replies: @Rich
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81BU1wksDAL._AC_SX450_.jpgReplies: @Kronos
When inflation is so high that you need rocks to keep it down.
I wonder where it will settle.
The saga of the sacred hair…
Shampoo, repeat.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/01/opinion/super-bowl-chiefs-native-american.html
A black woman touching a native woman's hair would be a dog bites man story, and wouldn't further the narrative. Especially since the black woman may have though the native was white.Replies: @kaganovitch
This was the correct call.
Suburban Jersey has all of the negatives of the NYC metro area with none of the positives.
Also, jazz club waitresses. And cigarette girls!
My wife was puzzled by this during her career. The women who she sought to be mentored by were not seriously interested, and went through the motions without providing any useful help. When she tried to mentor other women, they never followed up with getting her help. The people who provided her with useful mentoring and the people who in turn were her genuine protégés, were all men. She made friends with both men and women during her career, but there was no mentoring relationship with the women.
I saw a coven of women form where I used to work. Its effects were incredibly deleterious.
The amount of time they managed to waste discussing inanities in business meetings was incredible.
Meanwhile, the just-in-time supply chain got much less timely and vendor quality took a dive.
They managed to get great promotions for a few of their members.
WASP or WASPy is used as a euphemism for White. You’ll notice that “White Man” has become such a bogeyman term that it is often expressed as “white male” to dilute the power of its evil juju.
Perhaps he was his illegitimate son, and even if that is far fetched, then he maybe saw him as a son substitute, although he had two sons of his own.
Perhaps in his old age he enjoyed the popular TV series starring actor Christopher Timothy.
Though he did not live long enough to enjoy anything featuring versatile actor Hugh Laurie.
Another factor could be that in the early part of the 20th century, men were much thinner in general than they are today, and so would have appeared more similar to our modern eyes than they did to each other.
Just think what might have happened if instead, he’d chosen to mentor HP Lovecraft.
"The most merciful thing about the human mind, I think, is its inability to correlate all its contents..."
I believe Shannon was distantly related to Edison, I don’t know on what side of his family, but on Wikipedia it just says they were “distant cousins”.
The earlier reports said the TSA agent was a woman. I wonder … A black woman? They seem to be disproportionate represented in the TSA.
A black woman touching a native woman’s hair would be a dog bites man story, and wouldn’t further the narrative. Especially since the black woman may have though the native was white.
Hard to believe this is true. Other than in her mind. And of course we’re supposed to imagine a white male agent in this story.
Speaking of Raytheon, our Chinabros are hard at work selling out heritage America:
https://qz.com/1795127/raytheon-engineer-arrested-for-taking-us-missile-defense-secrets-to-china/
I hope that Mr. Sun is much better at engineering than espionage.
The going price for these notes is all over the map.
I wonder where it will settle.
From what I’ve read, the Irish blood must have been quite remote, as Shannon’s ancestors are described as going back to the colonial period, and included Puritans like John Ogden:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ogden_(colonist)
Is “Wolf” always a German surname? Ancestry.com says that it can be English, Danish, or German:
https://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=wolf
Also, there’s a strong tendency to lump everyone of Protestant Old American ancestry into the WASP category.
A fair number of WASPs have Irish names. For example, there’s the Kane family:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S._Nicholson_Kane
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeLancey_Astor_Kane
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodbury_Kane
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sybil_Kent_Kane
Shouldn’t that be mynter? Mentor is so sexist.
Yes, age discrimination. It’s like that recent research that showed that black men were indeed getting harsher sentences than others– but mostly because they were male.
https://www.statepress.com/article/2016/10/spopinion-gender-disparity-in-the-criminal-justice-system#
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/women-must-face-the-same-justice-as-men-xcmcx7d5j
Vannevar Bush may have shared his physical appearance with another person but his name certainly is distinctive. A Google search for “Vannevar” leads to just one other hit, for Vannevar Thomas, but Mr. Thomas is a fictional character in some sort of vampire story.
OT:
With the announcement that Trump is adding more countries to the travel ban, I wonder if the media will refer to those countries as majority sh*t hole countries?
NYT: “Mr. Trump has made disparaging comments about African nations in the past, complaining that Nigerians who entered the United States on visas would never “go back to their huts.’ “
Vagina surgery 'sought by girls as young as nine'
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-40410459Interesting article detailing the extent of non-trans body dysphoria in certain kinds of young girls. Some of them want reconstructive surgery, some of the others say things like:This is all very bad and upsetting except when they declare themselves to be trans, then it's stunning and brave and the doctor this story is painting as a feminist hero is a bigot who might face legal consequences.It's fascinating to me because the fastest growing cohort of trans people are pre-teen and teenage girls. (The so-called ROGD cases) The trans ideology is so sacred that even a cohort so obviously afflicted with cluster B personality disorders and anxiety about their appearance rather than 'having a male brain' (The ubiquity of septum piercings among FtMs is just diagnostic and the least masculine thing imaginable.) and is using this as a maladaptive desperate coping mechanism is just sent on down the crazy road of cosmetic hormone therapy (Who cares what the other effects are) and surgical mutilation. It's weird because we accept it is possible for a teenage girl to hate her body and want to surgically alter it as a serious mental illness that requires intervention other than surgery.Replies: @Mark in BC, @bomag
Let’s see: we’re getting bombarded with opioids and other drugs; bad diets; immigrants, multi-cult, PC, etc.; porn and trashy entertainment; and now surgical mutilation in the name of therapy.
Will the attacks ever cease?
What is it with the overlapping, WASPy identifications on this website?!
Plus, as much defensive censorship and damage control as the mass media runs for criminal government agencies, there’s absolutely no way the TSA of all entities could get away with this. The TSA is both hated and unimportant, and for a while there all the media attention most critical of the government was griping about TSA airport screeners.
Well there you are, a dead end. Absolutely nothing to look further into. I don’t know about you but I’m going to get some sleep. Sleep is very natural in these cold winter months and it’s a neglected part of the health and nutritional response to modernity. After lean protein and the avoidance of processed foods really the best thing any of us can do for ourselves to to make the scheduling space for a proper napping.
Research gets buried because of fear of summoning Cthulhu?
“The most merciful thing about the human mind, I think, is its inability to correlate all its contents…”
Will the attacks ever cease?Replies: @SFG, @Desiderius
” The time would be easy to know, for then mankind would have become as the Great Old Ones; free and wild and beyond good and evil, with laws and morals thrown aside and all men shouting and killing and reveling in joy. Then the liberated Old Ones would teach them new ways to shout and kill and revel and enjoy themselves, and all the earth would flame with a holocaust of ecstasy and freedom.”
I see plenty here, but not from folks into all that nonsense. Other than my boys, but they’re two.
I have it on good authority he also breathed air and had an ear on each side of his head.
My great-aunt (on the Mayflower-American side, not the Irish side) once made some offhanded comments about a relative of ours from Michigan who was involved in the early development of computers in the ’30s and ’40s. I naturally wondered if she might be referring to Shannon, but extensive genealogical research hasn’t turned anything up yet, and I don’t think the dates really fit based on other parts of her story. It was kind of amusing to think about for five minutes, though.
Some joy.
I see plenty here, but not from folks into all that nonsense. Other than my boys, but they’re two.
Will the attacks ever cease?Replies: @SFG, @Desiderius
Technically we’re not. That’s all for keeping out the riff-raff. We’re just fonder if the riff-raff than our peers or in a position to appreciate the collateral damage.
As Pasteur observed, serendipity favors the prepared.
There is a similar story about an early biologist who made diatoms his life’s study. This was for years considered an example of scientific “stamp collecting” – essentially a futile exercise in gathering recondite information that was relevant to no practical purpose. Then it was determined that certain types of fossilized diatoms were often found in the vicinity of petroleum deposits.
So Steve – your theory here is mentors pick would be sons….aka….”he reminds me of me when I was that age…..”
I don’t know, WASPs are a very specific ethnicity where I’m from in NY. A Shannon or a Wolf or a Van Dyke or a Schmitt or a Ferarro or a Boucher, no matter how pale, would never be called a WASP. It may be different in other parts of the country. I know that in the Southwest we were all Anglos when I was in the Army and just Whites down South. WASP always had an upper class English connotation to me, but I suppose it could have changed.
Haute-WASP:
https://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/images/henry-adams-3.png
https://cdn.quotesgram.com/img/5/22/116165983-.jpg
http://jssgallery.org/Paintings/Mr_and_Mrs_John_Phelps_Stokes/Mr_and_Mrs_John_Phelps_Stokes.jpg
Bas-WASP:
http://songmango.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/California-country-okies-guitar.jpg
https://www.webportal.com/caraveo/ditchbank_okies_port.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/17/a8/73/17a873a6aa0fa5190640c5f3f1cf5529--tough-times-hard-times.jpg
Plus everything in between.....I can definitely see a Wolf, a Van Dyke,a Boucher, or a Shannon getting called a WASP.Replies: @Desiderius, @Rich, @Old Palo Altan
This leads into an even more interesting topic: Owners that look like their pets:
WASPs come in various flavors:
Haute-WASP:
Bas-WASP:
Plus everything in between…..
I can definitely see a Wolf, a Van Dyke,a Boucher, or a Shannon getting called a WASP.
I can think of no (heterosexual) male that, if given the opportunity for an up close look at a woman's privates, would complain about the view.Replies: @Altai
It is illustrative of something men and a lot, maybe most, women will never understand. How deep those insecurities about their bodies and appearance certain kinds of girls can be. (Maybe larger in number today with the pathological effects of social media) The existence of these feelings together with a claim that they must be transgender is taken with the utmost seriousness as grounds to proceed with SRS despite the same exact feelings without the claim being grounds to treat their feelings or accepted as being a transient condition that will diminish after adolescence. (Just like the claims of gender dysphoria in almost all studied cases)
We don’t treat cosmetic hormone therapy and SRS as an option for the treatment of transgenderism but a societal imperative. It’s crazy. People use these terms ‘Puberty blocker’ to give it a veneer of clinical validation when these drugs were developed or tested for this purpose, they’re being used entirely off-label for this and there are no good studies on the effects of cosmetic hormone therapy on adolescents. The weirdest claim is that drugs which arrest puberty have effects which are ‘reversible’. Can people not understand basic science anymore? When the use of those drugs is stopped puberty resumes, but the lost time is not ‘made up’ later nor is the puberty that takes place the same.
Present society is unable to ever tell a person with BPD that their perspective is utterly warped. See: Nanette.
https://youtu.be/5aE29fiatQ0Replies: @Altai
https://i.imgur.com/uVOMQ3p.jpgReplies: @Steve Sailer
Anybody else unable to see my picture of Shannon (lower down that the picture of Bush)?
No, I cannot see it in Firefox or in Microsoft Edge. Just a blank rectangle and clicking on it the following message.
403. That’s an error.
Your client does not have permission to get URL /proxy/N1TLL9SWqWwZEa_8p_DAjBGyeiQZ1bGw_oS7T0iUu9e5b_FtOiZvJyz2CFLOnnYoVAZiPWISoT8FtPecC8NM4Eaq0M_ogCCD_wu0c5hzz-5Z8r6adsLGMHQEN-D8Sw from this server. (Client IP address: 7x.192.xx.xx)
Forbidden That’s all we know.
I’m glad I wasn’t the only one who had that thought.
Haute-WASP:
https://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/images/henry-adams-3.png
https://cdn.quotesgram.com/img/5/22/116165983-.jpg
http://jssgallery.org/Paintings/Mr_and_Mrs_John_Phelps_Stokes/Mr_and_Mrs_John_Phelps_Stokes.jpg
Bas-WASP:
http://songmango.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/California-country-okies-guitar.jpg
https://www.webportal.com/caraveo/ditchbank_okies_port.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/17/a8/73/17a873a6aa0fa5190640c5f3f1cf5529--tough-times-hard-times.jpg
Plus everything in between.....I can definitely see a Wolf, a Van Dyke,a Boucher, or a Shannon getting called a WASP.Replies: @Desiderius, @Rich, @Old Palo Altan
The W stands for wealthy.
Irish, Dutch, and Italian are neither Angle nor Saxon. I suppose a Hessian might have an argument, though many of those were and are Catholics.
As for more expansive definitions:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Anglo-Saxon_ProtestantReplies: @Desiderius
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wythe_House
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_djGvTLbafFQ/THmrDKsrSRI/AAAAAAAABZw/zpmlRMe-BMM/s1600/Wythe+House+rear+yard.jpgReplies: @Desiderius, @Rich
All y’all had better pull your heads out of your asses on this nonsense or you won’t just get passed up by Chinks and Dot Indians, but Hillbillies and Bible thumpers too!
Haute-WASP:
https://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/images/henry-adams-3.png
https://cdn.quotesgram.com/img/5/22/116165983-.jpg
http://jssgallery.org/Paintings/Mr_and_Mrs_John_Phelps_Stokes/Mr_and_Mrs_John_Phelps_Stokes.jpg
Bas-WASP:
http://songmango.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/California-country-okies-guitar.jpg
https://www.webportal.com/caraveo/ditchbank_okies_port.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/17/a8/73/17a873a6aa0fa5190640c5f3f1cf5529--tough-times-hard-times.jpg
Plus everything in between.....I can definitely see a Wolf, a Van Dyke,a Boucher, or a Shannon getting called a WASP.Replies: @Desiderius, @Rich, @Old Palo Altan
The Irish guys I grew up with in Queens would probably fight you if you called them Wasps, and the Dutch and French are pretty proud of not being Waspish. As for the Germans, I believe they’ve got a bit of pride in their own heritage and aren’t all fans of the Wasps. But I guess it’s just a matter of where you’re from. Do you really think the descendants of the Scots in one of your photos, or the poor Okies would ever have really been called Wasps by anyone? The one ethnic group that fought tooth and nail to become Waspish, were the Jews, who’ve now supplanted them in many of the positions of power the Wasps once held.
http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/uploads/monthly_12_2013/post-1529-0-45724500-1386884164.jpgLong-settled Dutch and (Protestant) French have largely been absorbed into WASP-dom:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delano_family
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Du_Pont_family
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Rensselaer_(family)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roosevelt_familyDitto for Protestant Germans whose roots date back to the 18th century. They've been absorbed into WASP-dom:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astor_familySure. In the USA, Anglo-Saxons and Scots are, to use a law school term, a distinction without a difference.Replies: @Rich
Shannon looks Jewish. Maybe I’m just saying that because he looks a little bit like me, and I’m half jewish.
Ditto Mason’s 403 with Brave and Opera.
The human factor trumps the smart guys creating electronic stuff, every damn time.
So this guy uses on or off switches to increase computing power and the bastards go off the partial gold standard in 1971 and go electronic currency. When did Dylan go electric with Goldberg and then The Band? Paul Butterfield is in there somewhere. Dylan goes electric in 1965 and Ohio Boy Nixon goes electronic currency in 1971 and it's all because Shannon and Bush -- two dead guys I don't trust because they both had full heads of hair -- started up with the electronics and the electric nonsense.
These guys -- Bush and Shannon -- opened the Pandora's box to debt-based fiat currency and the asset bubbles created by that high IQ creation has allowed the globalized ruling classes to flood European Christian nations with mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration. The greedy ones born before 1965 were bought off with asset bubbles and debt created by Bush and Shannon and their electronic currency and all the rest and the greedy ones born before 1965 kept quiet about all the foreigners flooding into their nations. Yeah, some Scottish guy Law in France and some South Sea place and some tulips and the like had their funny money asset bubbles, but this Boo -- Laying logic of on or off switches has taken the cake. It's Nighttime In The Switching Yard for the current electronically created global asset bubbles -- that I can tell you.
I don't care what Sailer blogs about. I can always bring it back to monetary policy and baldness.
I ain't bitter about being bald, but I believe guys over 40 with full heads of hair have sold their souls to the Devil.Replies: @Muggles
“I ain’t bitter about being bald, but I believe guys over 40 with full heads of hair have sold their souls to the Devil.”
It’s genetic. Either that or the Devil is just biding his time to collect.
A black woman touching a native woman's hair would be a dog bites man story, and wouldn't further the narrative. Especially since the black woman may have though the native was white.Replies: @kaganovitch
In her tweet the offended N.A. makes sure to specify it was a blonde woman.
I get same 403 error. I use opera browser
That’s well said, and it is indeed a profound insight.
The irony being that Shannon himself doesn’t seem like the wandering nor the aimless type.
The genius of the division of labor between Art and Science.
Shannon of course being the artist.
This Nanette?
Her principal problem is PTSD and anxiety from sexual abuse. (She says) So she bemoans her PTSD and it's effects on her and how bad it is to have a mental illness then berates the audience for the next 2 hours about how she has anxiety when in the presence of men, how all men are rapists and dangerous. It would be like a soldier with PTSD who is triggered by the noise of a helicopter calling all helicopters dangerous and berating helicopter pilots for being enemy combatants.
Does she not notice that other women aren't afraid of all men and that this PTSD is the nature of her mental health problems? If all men were dangerous rapists her irrational anxiety and fear of them wouldn't be a mental health problem.Replies: @BB753
One wonders how things would have unfolded had he been more interested in Hamilton than Boole.
Perhaps someone more schooled in such matters could tell me how unworkable that would be. I aced Digital Hardware but shortly thereafter abandoned EE for the better marriage prospects in ISyE.
in Hamilton than Boole.
We would have been spared knowing who Lin Miranda is ?Replies: @Desiderius
You have to walk before you can run: Boole is walking; Hamilton is running. I don't think it would have unfolded differently.Replies: @Desiderius
There is a Wikipedia article regarding the surname Shannon. The article indicates the name derives from the Gaelic for “skilled storyteller.” Plausible, I guess. An illiterate traditional storyteller would need to have had an exceptional memory. Remembering Boole’s work well enough to apply to a completely unrelated field may have required an exceptional memory.
https://youtu.be/5aE29fiatQ0Replies: @Altai
Yes. She bemoans her mental illness, actually lashes out at those who she deems ‘romanticise it’ (You need to spend time off Tumblr Hannah, normal people don’t do that) and thinks nothing good can come from it.
Her principal problem is PTSD and anxiety from sexual abuse. (She says) So she bemoans her PTSD and it’s effects on her and how bad it is to have a mental illness then berates the audience for the next 2 hours about how she has anxiety when in the presence of men, how all men are rapists and dangerous. It would be like a soldier with PTSD who is triggered by the noise of a helicopter calling all helicopters dangerous and berating helicopter pilots for being enemy combatants.
Does she not notice that other women aren’t afraid of all men and that this PTSD is the nature of her mental health problems? If all men were dangerous rapists her irrational anxiety and fear of them wouldn’t be a mental health problem.
Also, she probably has daddy issues.
Perhaps someone more schooled in such matters could tell me how unworkable that would be. I aced Digital Hardware but shortly thereafter abandoned EE for the better marriage prospects in ISyE.Replies: @kaganovitch, @bomag
One wonders how things would have unfolded had he been more interested
in Hamilton than Boole.
We would have been spared knowing who Lin Miranda is ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternion
Her principal problem is PTSD and anxiety from sexual abuse. (She says) So she bemoans her PTSD and it's effects on her and how bad it is to have a mental illness then berates the audience for the next 2 hours about how she has anxiety when in the presence of men, how all men are rapists and dangerous. It would be like a soldier with PTSD who is triggered by the noise of a helicopter calling all helicopters dangerous and berating helicopter pilots for being enemy combatants.
Does she not notice that other women aren't afraid of all men and that this PTSD is the nature of her mental health problems? If all men were dangerous rapists her irrational anxiety and fear of them wouldn't be a mental health problem.Replies: @BB753
She claims she was raped back in Tasmania several times for being a lesbian. I find it dubious that even Tasmanian men would rape such an unattractive and obnoxious woman. A beating would be more likely.
Also, she probably has daddy issues.
in Hamilton than Boole.
We would have been spared knowing who Lin Miranda is ?Replies: @Desiderius
William Rowan Hamilton. My son’s namesake.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternion
“This trillion dollar bill laying on the sidewalk probably paid for the entire 2500 year history of philosophy instruction.”
I worked with a philosopher who was VERY smart and VERY into this weird, esoteric notion of “dialethic logic.”
Wiki: “Dialetheism (from Greek δίς dís ‘twice’ and ἀλήθεια alḗtheia ‘truth’) is the view that there are statements which are both true and false. More precisely, it is the belief that there can be a true statement whose negation is also true. Such statements are called “true contradictions”, dialetheia, or nondualisms.
Dialetheism is not a system of formal logic; instead, it is a thesis about truth that influences the construction of a formal logic, often based on pre-existing systems. Introducing dialetheism has various consequences, depending on the theory into which it is introduced”
So, uhh, the point is to reject Aristotle’s law of non-contradiction where if you say A is true you can’t also be positing that A is NOT true at the same time….well, Aristotle’s understanding of logic seems pretty reasonable–but that’s the thing about intellectual history; there have been a lot of cases where something seemed pretty reasonable but it turned out something weirder was true.
What I find interesting about this little dialethic logic club is that both people I knew who worked on it were really fucking sharp and both were really fucking passionate about it…and both of them failed to get other people interested in it. I had the reaction most people had when they tried to teach me about it:
At first I didn’t know what it was, then they explained it to me, and then I was baffled because there seemed to be no payoff. “Uhhh, ok, now I see what you did. You constructed a new, operationally functional logical system that doesn’t include the law of non-contradiction. And then what? You just perform this little magic trick and finish by saying ‘The Aristocrats!’?”
This always stuck with me because in my experience it was very rare to run into smart professionals who completely failed to get anyone on their side of their pet issue. But nobody could understand why they cared so much about their little toy logical system.
Now, here’s the proposed payoff: one of these guys tried to convince me by saying he thought this would be eventually useful in describing, in a technical way, how human consciousness worked. His view–and he had worked on AI in in important computer science labs–was that AI had failed because the type of logic we used for computers and circuits was wildly successful in certain areas but just not capable of modeling consciousness because it lacked this ability to account for true contradictions. He’s almost certainly wrong but….there’s always that 0.001% chance someone will pick up this logic they’ve been working out the math for and find a way to use it for something major.
So, philosophers are still doing this kind of important work that may be dropping sadly neglected trillion dollar bills on dirty sidewalks. I’ve never encountered someone in STEM who was familiar with these esoteric, dialethic logics. Never. And I’ve asked. It’s not even popular in its own subfields of philosophy. So maybe the right person just hasn’t discovered it yet.
Possible analogy:
Modal logic was only developed in the 20th century and turned out to be a serious, useful thing (modal logic includes symbols for possibility instead of just is/is not). One time a great philosopher, Hilary Putnam (who had a background in math) was talking to the major architect of modal logic, Saul Kripke (who also had a background in math–Laurence Tribe once said the reason he became a law professor was because he was the second smartest person in his undergraduate math major at Harvard but the number one person in his class, Kripke, was comically, depressingly, incredibly smarter than him).
Actually, Hilary Putnam could probably relate to that since he was the second smartest person his class at a public high school in Philadelphia (identity of number one left as an exercise for the reader). He told me one time he didn’t think he was that smart since that person at his high school was so smuch smarter but once he started at an Ivy League college he just thought, “This is it? None of these people are as smart as the guy I grew up with in my shitty neighborhood…”.
These are guys who did very technical work but some of their conversations might be the type of thing that makes people like Mr. Sailer think philosophy is silly. So Putnam asked Kripke, “Is it possible that glass bottles are just tigers? What if, when tigers become scared, they suddenly transform into glass bottles? Is that logically possible?’ Kripke’s answer was, “No. That is not possible. But….it is possible that it could *become* possible” This is how philosophy is done, and it normally appears to be pointless to lay people but…you never know.
They would love to talk to someone who is open-minded about it and understands their background because they mostly just get blank stares in their daily lives. I know two who are really good guys and very smart. If you're someone who can follow arguments about formal math in set theory, arguments about AI computer programming [ie, one of them was a LISP programmer in a couple of major university labs in the 80s and 90s], arguments about formal logic, etc. and you might be willing to take a shot at a probable dead end by trying this out and potentially claiming the biggest intellectual prize in world history--figuring out human cognition--then let me know. My anonymous email is "i pat its" at protonmail (no spaces or quotation marks in my name and protonmail is a dot-com domain)Replies: @Desiderius, @candid_observer, @Charles Erwin Wilson
"None of these people are as smart as the guy I grew up with in my shitty neighborhood…”
Not everyone goes to high school with Chomsky. And Central has been Philadelphia's magnet school since 1836 and in that era was full of poor but smart (mostly Jewish) kids so it was not like this was just some neighborhood ghetto school.Replies: @Anonymous
Mr. Sailer’s posts are always a great read, but this short piece really sings.
That makes me feel better about my philosophy degree.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/01/25/time-take-covington-smirk/Replies: @SFG, @Ringo Starr, @Grace Jones
One thing that’s not generally appreciated when you see closed-lip smiles (and for men, big moustaches and beards) in portrait photos from a few generations ago is that many people had bad teeth.
Look at some videos from variety shows from the 1950s and 1960s (e.g., Ed Sullivan, Arthur Godfrey), when the camera resolution was starting to be good enough, and you will be amazed how many singers and other celebrities had really bad teeth (darkened, crooked, missing).
My older dentist from my childhood used to tell me that when films and television images starting showing sufficient resolution is when people (including the public) started to be really conscious about their teeth. Bigger celebs before then, such as Sinatra, etc… wore caps (vinyl coverings), but the B-list celebrities and politicians didn’t.
https://doctorzebra.com/prez/z_x28teeth_g.htm
What thinker doesn’t prefer an empty office building or floor? For such people, Sartre’s adage is fitting: hell is other people.
John von Neumann for one. Von Neumann notoriously preferred a very noisy, chaotic environment for thinking.
Perhaps someone more schooled in such matters could tell me how unworkable that would be. I aced Digital Hardware but shortly thereafter abandoned EE for the better marriage prospects in ISyE.Replies: @kaganovitch, @bomag
One wonders how things would have unfolded had he been more interested in Hamilton than Boole.
You have to walk before you can run: Boole is walking; Hamilton is running. I don’t think it would have unfolded differently.
Boole is a man whose accomplishments are not adequately recognised (although having an important variable type named after you is pretty fucking cool); his wife was also a very clever lady (albeit a bit of a nutter in a typically educated-19th-century way) and his five daughters were all accomplished women (two of them STEM subject-experts in their own right).
Why, it’s almost as if genuinely-talented women – even autodidacts – had little problem finding their way in the horrible oppressive patriarchy of 1850s England.
But that couldn’t possibly be right: as we all know, bustles and bonnets and frilly collars are basically the same as burqas, and these women were living right slap bang in the middle of an epochal burgeoning of (mostly-almost-but-sometimes-actual) science – the knowledge domain of evil white evil men (evil evil) and their OCD about evil evidence-based ‘facts’ (things that don’t change, regardless of how strongly you feel about it).
Also…
Y’know them things we all did with string and nails (usually making parabolic sections)? Like this picture, only with little brads as anchors and strings for lines)
When done with nails and string, that’s “curve stitching” – something that Mrs Boole recommended as a way to interest kiddies in geometry. (I was not that interested in it when I first encountered it at school: I was already interested in symbolic geometry, so it just struck me as slightly-smart-arse macramé-with-nails).
Skilled exponents can make some really cool patterns – like this one, from enthusiast Lionel Deimel ->
And of course it’s easy these days to do it using computer graphics rather than string/nails/board or pencil/ruler/paper.
Either way, it’s so fucking racist and transphobic – it should obviously be outlawed.
SNATCH BLOCK!
(That’s my new ‘thing so say’ – and just like Peter Griffin saying “Road House“, it will last for about 30 minutes.
See, I just took delivery of several snatch blocks – which reminded me of a terrific YouTube video about Snatch Blocks where the dude says “Snatch Block!” a lot).
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/01/25/time-take-covington-smirk/Replies: @SFG, @Ringo Starr, @Grace Jones
That’s the look that adolescent males adopt in a confrontation, when they’re trying to be brave when they’re scared. Unfortunately, it makes bullying authority figures furious.
What Lauer et. al. did to that woman is a tragedy.
Other instances of philosophy inspiring people working in modern fields:
Noam Chomsky has said he thought contemporary linguistics/psychology when he started working in the field was fatally flawed but he had to go back to much older philosophical texts to develop his concept of what precisely was lacking.
He specifically referenced von Humboldt, the British neo-platonists, and even titled a book, “Cartesian Linguistics.”
When he talks about his continental Enlightenment influences he is trying to convey what he thought he was doing what was not completely new but a technical development of branches on the tree that had just been neglected for 150 years or so.
He talked about this because he wasn’t taught these things but had to do his own personal research project on Enlightenment intellectuals to see they were working on the same ideas he had. He also said they simply lacked the technical tools to tackle the problems in the same way he was because he was only able to develop modern linguistics because he was using mathematics to construct his theories that had only recently become available (ie, in his lifetime–sometimes from people he personally knew and had helped to develop)
I worked with a philosopher who was VERY smart and VERY into this weird, esoteric notion of "dialethic logic."
Wiki: "Dialetheism (from Greek δίς dís 'twice' and ἀλήθεια alḗtheia 'truth') is the view that there are statements which are both true and false. More precisely, it is the belief that there can be a true statement whose negation is also true. Such statements are called "true contradictions", dialetheia, or nondualisms.
Dialetheism is not a system of formal logic; instead, it is a thesis about truth that influences the construction of a formal logic, often based on pre-existing systems. Introducing dialetheism has various consequences, depending on the theory into which it is introduced"
So, uhh, the point is to reject Aristotle's law of non-contradiction where if you say A is true you can't also be positing that A is NOT true at the same time....well, Aristotle's understanding of logic seems pretty reasonable--but that's the thing about intellectual history; there have been a lot of cases where something seemed pretty reasonable but it turned out something weirder was true.
What I find interesting about this little dialethic logic club is that both people I knew who worked on it were really fucking sharp and both were really fucking passionate about it...and both of them failed to get other people interested in it. I had the reaction most people had when they tried to teach me about it:
At first I didn't know what it was, then they explained it to me, and then I was baffled because there seemed to be no payoff. "Uhhh, ok, now I see what you did. You constructed a new, operationally functional logical system that doesn't include the law of non-contradiction. And then what? You just perform this little magic trick and finish by saying 'The Aristocrats!'?"
This always stuck with me because in my experience it was very rare to run into smart professionals who completely failed to get anyone on their side of their pet issue. But nobody could understand why they cared so much about their little toy logical system.
Now, here's the proposed payoff: one of these guys tried to convince me by saying he thought this would be eventually useful in describing, in a technical way, how human consciousness worked. His view--and he had worked on AI in in important computer science labs--was that AI had failed because the type of logic we used for computers and circuits was wildly successful in certain areas but just not capable of modeling consciousness because it lacked this ability to account for true contradictions. He's almost certainly wrong but....there's always that 0.001% chance someone will pick up this logic they've been working out the math for and find a way to use it for something major.
So, philosophers are still doing this kind of important work that may be dropping sadly neglected trillion dollar bills on dirty sidewalks. I've never encountered someone in STEM who was familiar with these esoteric, dialethic logics. Never. And I've asked. It's not even popular in its own subfields of philosophy. So maybe the right person just hasn't discovered it yet.
Possible analogy:
Modal logic was only developed in the 20th century and turned out to be a serious, useful thing (modal logic includes symbols for possibility instead of just is/is not). One time a great philosopher, Hilary Putnam (who had a background in math) was talking to the major architect of modal logic, Saul Kripke (who also had a background in math--Laurence Tribe once said the reason he became a law professor was because he was the second smartest person in his undergraduate math major at Harvard but the number one person in his class, Kripke, was comically, depressingly, incredibly smarter than him).
Actually, Hilary Putnam could probably relate to that since he was the second smartest person his class at a public high school in Philadelphia (identity of number one left as an exercise for the reader). He told me one time he didn't think he was that smart since that person at his high school was so smuch smarter but once he started at an Ivy League college he just thought, "This is it? None of these people are as smart as the guy I grew up with in my shitty neighborhood...".
These are guys who did very technical work but some of their conversations might be the type of thing that makes people like Mr. Sailer think philosophy is silly. So Putnam asked Kripke, "Is it possible that glass bottles are just tigers? What if, when tigers become scared, they suddenly transform into glass bottles? Is that logically possible?' Kripke's answer was, "No. That is not possible. But....it is possible that it could *become* possible" This is how philosophy is done, and it normally appears to be pointless to lay people but...you never know.Replies: @anonymous, @Jack D
I know we have a lot of smart Math/CS/Physics people here, some of whom are either retired or just interested in doing weird research in their spare time that will probably not pay off. If you’re one of those people, I can put you into contact with these philosophers who are developing this logical system.
They would love to talk to someone who is open-minded about it and understands their background because they mostly just get blank stares in their daily lives. I know two who are really good guys and very smart.
If you’re someone who can follow arguments about formal math in set theory, arguments about AI computer programming [ie, one of them was a LISP programmer in a couple of major university labs in the 80s and 90s], arguments about formal logic, etc. and you might be willing to take a shot at a probable dead end by trying this out and potentially claiming the biggest intellectual prize in world history–figuring out human cognition–then let me know.
My anonymous email is “i pat its” at protonmail (no spaces or quotation marks in my name and protonmail is a dot-com domain)
What thinker doesn’t prefer an empty office building or floor? For such people, Sartre’s adage is fitting: hell is other people.
John von Neumann for one. Von Neumann notoriously preferred a very noisy, chaotic environment for thinking.
The philosopher Jerry Fodor, who was considered among the three or so most important philosophers in the world in his prime, moved from MIT to Rutgers because he needed to be in New York City for his opera habit.
He was so important that Rutgers itself went from, well, Rutgers, to the most prestigious philosophy department in the world.
Colin Mcginn, a leading British philosopher, moved from Oxbridge to the University of Miami of all places. He said he was tired of “second-rate” British thinkers at Oxford sitting around telling each other how smart they were and hey, the weather and amenities are nicer in Miami…
Philosophy might be one of the only fields where if you have your pick of jobs it doesn’t matter how prestigious the institution is because you don’t need their resrouces. I imagine that option seems more perilous if you need to run a giant chemistry lab packed full of bright students and millions in grant money. Hey, maybe you’d rather live in the Blue Ridge mountains than Berkeley or Palo Alto but….
http://www.chuckyeager.com/
Look at some videos from variety shows from the 1950s and 1960s (e.g., Ed Sullivan, Arthur Godfrey), when the camera resolution was starting to be good enough, and you will be amazed how many singers and other celebrities had really bad teeth (darkened, crooked, missing).
My older dentist from my childhood used to tell me that when films and television images starting showing sufficient resolution is when people (including the public) started to be really conscious about their teeth. Bigger celebs before then, such as Sinatra, etc... wore caps (vinyl coverings), but the B-list celebrities and politicians didn't.Replies: @prosa123, @Bill Jones
A photo of Woodrow Wilson at his 1913 inauguration shows very bad teeth:
https://doctorzebra.com/prez/z_x28teeth_g.htm
I worked with a philosopher who was VERY smart and VERY into this weird, esoteric notion of "dialethic logic."
Wiki: "Dialetheism (from Greek δίς dís 'twice' and ἀλήθεια alḗtheia 'truth') is the view that there are statements which are both true and false. More precisely, it is the belief that there can be a true statement whose negation is also true. Such statements are called "true contradictions", dialetheia, or nondualisms.
Dialetheism is not a system of formal logic; instead, it is a thesis about truth that influences the construction of a formal logic, often based on pre-existing systems. Introducing dialetheism has various consequences, depending on the theory into which it is introduced"
So, uhh, the point is to reject Aristotle's law of non-contradiction where if you say A is true you can't also be positing that A is NOT true at the same time....well, Aristotle's understanding of logic seems pretty reasonable--but that's the thing about intellectual history; there have been a lot of cases where something seemed pretty reasonable but it turned out something weirder was true.
What I find interesting about this little dialethic logic club is that both people I knew who worked on it were really fucking sharp and both were really fucking passionate about it...and both of them failed to get other people interested in it. I had the reaction most people had when they tried to teach me about it:
At first I didn't know what it was, then they explained it to me, and then I was baffled because there seemed to be no payoff. "Uhhh, ok, now I see what you did. You constructed a new, operationally functional logical system that doesn't include the law of non-contradiction. And then what? You just perform this little magic trick and finish by saying 'The Aristocrats!'?"
This always stuck with me because in my experience it was very rare to run into smart professionals who completely failed to get anyone on their side of their pet issue. But nobody could understand why they cared so much about their little toy logical system.
Now, here's the proposed payoff: one of these guys tried to convince me by saying he thought this would be eventually useful in describing, in a technical way, how human consciousness worked. His view--and he had worked on AI in in important computer science labs--was that AI had failed because the type of logic we used for computers and circuits was wildly successful in certain areas but just not capable of modeling consciousness because it lacked this ability to account for true contradictions. He's almost certainly wrong but....there's always that 0.001% chance someone will pick up this logic they've been working out the math for and find a way to use it for something major.
So, philosophers are still doing this kind of important work that may be dropping sadly neglected trillion dollar bills on dirty sidewalks. I've never encountered someone in STEM who was familiar with these esoteric, dialethic logics. Never. And I've asked. It's not even popular in its own subfields of philosophy. So maybe the right person just hasn't discovered it yet.
Possible analogy:
Modal logic was only developed in the 20th century and turned out to be a serious, useful thing (modal logic includes symbols for possibility instead of just is/is not). One time a great philosopher, Hilary Putnam (who had a background in math) was talking to the major architect of modal logic, Saul Kripke (who also had a background in math--Laurence Tribe once said the reason he became a law professor was because he was the second smartest person in his undergraduate math major at Harvard but the number one person in his class, Kripke, was comically, depressingly, incredibly smarter than him).
Actually, Hilary Putnam could probably relate to that since he was the second smartest person his class at a public high school in Philadelphia (identity of number one left as an exercise for the reader). He told me one time he didn't think he was that smart since that person at his high school was so smuch smarter but once he started at an Ivy League college he just thought, "This is it? None of these people are as smart as the guy I grew up with in my shitty neighborhood...".
These are guys who did very technical work but some of their conversations might be the type of thing that makes people like Mr. Sailer think philosophy is silly. So Putnam asked Kripke, "Is it possible that glass bottles are just tigers? What if, when tigers become scared, they suddenly transform into glass bottles? Is that logically possible?' Kripke's answer was, "No. That is not possible. But....it is possible that it could *become* possible" This is how philosophy is done, and it normally appears to be pointless to lay people but...you never know.Replies: @anonymous, @Jack D
Chomsky.
“None of these people are as smart as the guy I grew up with in my shitty neighborhood…”
Not everyone goes to high school with Chomsky. And Central has been Philadelphia’s magnet school since 1836 and in that era was full of poor but smart (mostly Jewish) kids so it was not like this was just some neighborhood ghetto school.
Like Savannah Guthrie.
What Lauer et. al. did to that woman is a tragedy.
They would love to talk to someone who is open-minded about it and understands their background because they mostly just get blank stares in their daily lives. I know two who are really good guys and very smart. If you're someone who can follow arguments about formal math in set theory, arguments about AI computer programming [ie, one of them was a LISP programmer in a couple of major university labs in the 80s and 90s], arguments about formal logic, etc. and you might be willing to take a shot at a probable dead end by trying this out and potentially claiming the biggest intellectual prize in world history--figuring out human cognition--then let me know. My anonymous email is "i pat its" at protonmail (no spaces or quotation marks in my name and protonmail is a dot-com domain)Replies: @Desiderius, @candid_observer, @Charles Erwin Wilson
Human (and possibly post-human) cognition functions as an amplifier of quantum behavior.
You have to walk before you can run: Boole is walking; Hamilton is running. I don't think it would have unfolded differently.Replies: @Desiderius
Is Steve is right Shannon was born running.
Love of wisdom never goes unrequited.
The “W” stands for White: White Anglo-Saxon Protestant.
As for more expansive definitions:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Anglo-Saxon_Protestant
They would love to talk to someone who is open-minded about it and understands their background because they mostly just get blank stares in their daily lives. I know two who are really good guys and very smart. If you're someone who can follow arguments about formal math in set theory, arguments about AI computer programming [ie, one of them was a LISP programmer in a couple of major university labs in the 80s and 90s], arguments about formal logic, etc. and you might be willing to take a shot at a probable dead end by trying this out and potentially claiming the biggest intellectual prize in world history--figuring out human cognition--then let me know. My anonymous email is "i pat its" at protonmail (no spaces or quotation marks in my name and protonmail is a dot-com domain)Replies: @Desiderius, @candid_observer, @Charles Erwin Wilson
I’m not familiar with these dialethic logics, but I can see the point of them as a model for cognition.
We are all in the same boat as Whitman who, accused of contradicting himself, said “I am large, I contain multitudes.”
The problem with traditional logic is that once a single contradiction is introduced into a system of propositions, then everything is provable, and the system becomes trivial and useless.
The trick in dialethic logic would be to figure out a way to scotch the consequences of a contradiction so that it doesn’t explode the entire system. This should presumably mirror what we do when we think.
I wonder though if there isn’t a better way to handle all this using probabilistic approaches of cognition, which impress me as more apt to cognition. I doubt that most thinking really is at base best modeled by deductive logics.
Maybe so, but there is a River Shannon in Ireland, which is the longest river in Ireland.
Surnames are often the names of rivers, though George Orwell became a river by choice, not birth, being born a Blair.
Prole Catholics. The “Irish” that I’m thinking of are descended from long-settled Protestants.Cf Woodbury Kane:
Long-settled Dutch and (Protestant) French have largely been absorbed into WASP-dom:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delano_family
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Du_Pont_family
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Rensselaer_(family)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roosevelt_family
Ditto for Protestant Germans whose roots date back to the 18th century. They’ve been absorbed into WASP-dom:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astor_family
Sure. In the USA, Anglo-Saxons and Scots are, to use a law school term, a distinction without a difference.
And there’s at least one Italian-derived family in the USA that count as WASPs:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliaferro
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Taliaferro
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wythe_House
As for more expansive definitions:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Anglo-Saxon_ProtestantReplies: @Desiderius
White is superfluous with Anglo-Saxon.
Unless you’re Mary Beard.
From the Wiki:
“The first published mention of the term “WASP” was provided by political scientist Andrew Hacker in 1957,[12] referring to the class of Americans that held “national power in its economic, political, and social aspects”;[13] here the “W” stands for “wealthy” rather than “white”:
These ‘old’ Americans possess, for the most part, some common characteristics. First of all, they are ‘WASPs’—in the cocktail party jargon of the sociologists. That is, they are wealthy, they are Anglo-Saxon in origin, and they are Protestants (and disproportionately Episcopalian).”
The substitution of “white” for “wealthy” is how they win.
Don’t. Get. Played.
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Bush and Shannon also lived to almost exactly the same age. Bush, 84, Shannon, 85.
Bush had a much better ending. He remained active right up to his death from a stroke, still writing and serving on the board of trustees of the Carnegie Institution. Shannon went senile long before his death and spent years in a nursing home.John von Neumann had a strange death. As he lay on his deathbed in a military hospital, only people with security clearances could be in his presence for fear that he'd blurt out military secrets in his delirium.
It’s akin to the introduction of irrational/imaginary numbers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wythe_House
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Two centuries in Angland is enough to be an Angle.
http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/uploads/monthly_12_2013/post-1529-0-45724500-1386884164.jpgLong-settled Dutch and (Protestant) French have largely been absorbed into WASP-dom:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delano_family
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Du_Pont_family
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Rensselaer_(family)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roosevelt_familyDitto for Protestant Germans whose roots date back to the 18th century. They've been absorbed into WASP-dom:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astor_familySure. In the USA, Anglo-Saxons and Scots are, to use a law school term, a distinction without a difference.Replies: @Rich
You’ve obviously never met a Scotsman. Calling a Scotsman a WASP is about the same as calling a Portuguese a Spaniard. As for the Dutch, I suppose in some parts of the country they may have been “absorbed”, but here in NY the Dutch are kind of proud of their heritage and are adamant that they aren’t Anglo-Saxon. In fact, Teddy Roosevelt once gave a speech where he specifically stated had “no Anglo-Saxon blood”. Go to Massachusetts or Maine and see if French Americans are considered WASPs. Or down to Louisiana. I’m married to a girl of German and Dutch heritage and her German relatives, Catholic by the way, would never accept the insult of being called “Anglo-Saxon”.
Most of us from European heritages that aren’t “Anglo-Saxon Prods” never refer to ourselves as WASPs. Again, here in NY they are a very specific ethnicity. Could be different where you’re from.
And even Irish Protestants, Prole or Patrician, are rarely considered WASPs. Irish Catholics would never, no matter how wealthy, allow themselves to be called WASPs. The only Euro descended ethnicity I’ve ever known (non-English) that wanted to be WASPs, were the Jews.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delano_family
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Du_Pont_familyLA, like Hawaii, is sui generis.There you go. I'm talking about Protestants.Dunno.....Woodbury Kane looks pretty WASPy to me....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodbury_KaneReplies: @Rich
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wythe_House
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Lord Wellington, when told being born in Ireland made him Irish, replied, “If a man is born in a barn, it doesn’t make him a horse.” Blood is what matters.
Another example is the Crowninshield family:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowninshield_family
German origins, but mostly Anglo-Saxon blood....
Then there's the Astor family...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astor_family
German origins, but heavily intermingled with Anglo-Saxons....For example, German immigrant John Jacob Astor married Sarah Cox Todd....And their son, William Backhouse Astor Sr., married Margaret Armstrong.... and their son, John Jacob Astor III, married Charlotte Gibbes.....And their son, William Waldorf Astor, moved to the UK and became 1st Viscount Astor.....
What we call “artificial intelligence” is mostly based on probabilistic reasoning and inference.
https://www.elsevier.com/books/probabilistic-reasoning-in-intelligent-systems/pearl/978-0-08-051489-5
Much of the important work in this area was done by Judea Pearl, father of the American journalist Daniel Pearl who was kidnapped and murdered by Al Qaeda in Pakistan. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed claims to have personally beheaded Pearl (in addition to being the mastermind of the 9/11 attack). This piece of shit has been eating at taxpayer expense in Guantanamo since 2006. In 2009, the Red Cross arranged for him to pose for this lovely portrait:
Looking much better than the last time we saw him:
It truly boggles the imagination that he is being treated in such a royal fashion instead of being executed and his body dumped in the ocean long ago. At the very least he should be kept clean shaven and in a prison uniform like any prisoner nor should he be allowed access to inflammatory texts like the Koran.
He was so important that Rutgers itself went from, well, Rutgers, to the most prestigious philosophy department in the world.
Colin Mcginn, a leading British philosopher, moved from Oxbridge to the University of Miami of all places. He said he was tired of "second-rate" British thinkers at Oxford sitting around telling each other how smart they were and hey, the weather and amenities are nicer in Miami...
Philosophy might be one of the only fields where if you have your pick of jobs it doesn't matter how prestigious the institution is because you don't need their resrouces. I imagine that option seems more perilous if you need to run a giant chemistry lab packed full of bright students and millions in grant money. Hey, maybe you'd rather live in the Blue Ridge mountains than Berkeley or Palo Alto but....Replies: @Desiderius, @Deckin
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/96642.Rocket_Boys
http://www.chuckyeager.com/
TR’s grandmother was a WASP, Margaret Barnhill….
In the UK, sure….but Old-American Scots in the USA are WASPs. Sure, some of them like to LARP…..but that’s just posturing.
I wasn’t talking about Catholic immigrants from Quebec. I’m talking about long-settled Protestants:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delano_family
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Du_Pont_family
LA, like Hawaii, is sui generis.
There you go. I’m talking about Protestants.
Dunno…..Woodbury Kane looks pretty WASPy to me….
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodbury_Kane
Very wealthy Protestants from Ulster who married into, or were actually English to begin with, might become WASPs, but the majority of Ulstermen would never be considered WASPs. Read Jim Webb's 'Born Fighting' to see what I mean. I grew up with Scottish neighbors who were always talking about their ancestry and their dislike for the English, but you may know a Scotsman somewhere who has a different opinion.
Massachusetts, Vermont, Maine and even New Hampshire, have a long time French presence, from before the Revolutionary War. I have a daughter-in-law who is descended from them. I suppose you're referring to the Huguenots, but I'm not sure if they'd like being called WASPs, either.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of the WASPs and the great nation they founded and built. However, in my experience here in NY and around the country, non-English folks, Protestant, Catholic or other, would never refer to themselves as WASPs.Replies: @syonredux, @Desiderius
Sure. For example, take Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Despite his middle and last names, he was mostly of Anglo-Saxon blood.
Another example is the Crowninshield family:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowninshield_family
German origins, but mostly Anglo-Saxon blood….
Then there’s the Astor family…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astor_family
German origins, but heavily intermingled with Anglo-Saxons….For example, German immigrant John Jacob Astor married Sarah Cox Todd….And their son, William Backhouse Astor Sr., married Margaret Armstrong…. and their son, John Jacob Astor III, married Charlotte Gibbes…..And their son, William Waldorf Astor, moved to the UK and became 1st Viscount Astor…..
"None of these people are as smart as the guy I grew up with in my shitty neighborhood…”
Not everyone goes to high school with Chomsky. And Central has been Philadelphia's magnet school since 1836 and in that era was full of poor but smart (mostly Jewish) kids so it was not like this was just some neighborhood ghetto school.Replies: @Anonymous
Not everyone but it must be interesting.
Another professor told me, “you know how kids will talk about who might be the smartest kid at school? The nerdy kids at my school asked each other if our friend Ed was the smartest person on the entire planet…”
Ed was Ed Written so the answer was probably yes
Indeed. Intermarriage with Anglo-Saxons can work wonders….
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delano_family
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Du_Pont_familyLA, like Hawaii, is sui generis.There you go. I'm talking about Protestants.Dunno.....Woodbury Kane looks pretty WASPy to me....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodbury_KaneReplies: @Rich
My Dutch-American father-in-law, whose ancestors fought for the Americans in the Revolutionary War showed me the speech TR made a long time ago. The old guy is dead now, so I’m glad he never had to learn that his favorite president was part English.
Very wealthy Protestants from Ulster who married into, or were actually English to begin with, might become WASPs, but the majority of Ulstermen would never be considered WASPs. Read Jim Webb’s ‘Born Fighting’ to see what I mean. I grew up with Scottish neighbors who were always talking about their ancestry and their dislike for the English, but you may know a Scotsman somewhere who has a different opinion.
Massachusetts, Vermont, Maine and even New Hampshire, have a long time French presence, from before the Revolutionary War. I have a daughter-in-law who is descended from them. I suppose you’re referring to the Huguenots, but I’m not sure if they’d like being called WASPs, either.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m a fan of the WASPs and the great nation they founded and built. However, in my experience here in NY and around the country, non-English folks, Protestant, Catholic or other, would never refer to themselves as WASPs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha_Bulloch_Roosevelt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Stephens_Bulloch
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archibald_Bulloch
In terms of ancestry, TR was 50% Scots, 25% English, and 25% Dutch.Yes, the Scots-Irish. Interestingly enough, they were commonly called "Anglo-Irish" back in the 18th century. Webb's book is a tad on the romantic side. I would recommend the section on the Backcountry in Fischer's Albion's Seed as a corrective.Catholics? I was under the impression that the bulk of the Catholic Quebecois French in NE date to the 19th century.John Jay certainly thought of himself as an Anglo-Saxon.No one likes being called a WASP. Thanks to Hollywood, WASP = evil.Replies: @Rich, @Hibernian
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32081.Albion_s_Seed
He was so important that Rutgers itself went from, well, Rutgers, to the most prestigious philosophy department in the world.
Colin Mcginn, a leading British philosopher, moved from Oxbridge to the University of Miami of all places. He said he was tired of "second-rate" British thinkers at Oxford sitting around telling each other how smart they were and hey, the weather and amenities are nicer in Miami...
Philosophy might be one of the only fields where if you have your pick of jobs it doesn't matter how prestigious the institution is because you don't need their resrouces. I imagine that option seems more perilous if you need to run a giant chemistry lab packed full of bright students and millions in grant money. Hey, maybe you'd rather live in the Blue Ridge mountains than Berkeley or Palo Alto but....Replies: @Desiderius, @Deckin
It’s pretty well known that McGinn was also interested in another kind of asset that you find a lot more of in Miami than in Oxford–your ‘amenities’, I guess.
Sadly, not anymore…..
Dunno. Seems to me that uniting Bas-WASPs with Haute-WASPs in defense of their common interests would be a good idea….
If you want unity you've got that flag flapping there in the background or you've got jackshit.
Very wealthy Protestants from Ulster who married into, or were actually English to begin with, might become WASPs, but the majority of Ulstermen would never be considered WASPs. Read Jim Webb's 'Born Fighting' to see what I mean. I grew up with Scottish neighbors who were always talking about their ancestry and their dislike for the English, but you may know a Scotsman somewhere who has a different opinion.
Massachusetts, Vermont, Maine and even New Hampshire, have a long time French presence, from before the Revolutionary War. I have a daughter-in-law who is descended from them. I suppose you're referring to the Huguenots, but I'm not sure if they'd like being called WASPs, either.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of the WASPs and the great nation they founded and built. However, in my experience here in NY and around the country, non-English folks, Protestant, Catholic or other, would never refer to themselves as WASPs.Replies: @syonredux, @Desiderius
TR was also part Scots; his mother was Martha Bulloch:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha_Bulloch_Roosevelt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Stephens_Bulloch
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archibald_Bulloch
In terms of ancestry, TR was 50% Scots, 25% English, and 25% Dutch.
Yes, the Scots-Irish. Interestingly enough, they were commonly called “Anglo-Irish” back in the 18th century. Webb’s book is a tad on the romantic side. I would recommend the section on the Backcountry in Fischer’s Albion’s Seed as a corrective.
Catholics? I was under the impression that the bulk of the Catholic Quebecois French in NE date to the 19th century.
John Jay certainly thought of himself as an Anglo-Saxon.
No one likes being called a WASP. Thanks to Hollywood, WASP = evil.
Bush and Shannon also lived to almost exactly the same age. Bush, 84, Shannon, 85.
Bush had a much better ending. He remained active right up to his death from a stroke, still writing and serving on the board of trustees of the Carnegie Institution. Shannon went senile long before his death and spent years in a nursing home.
John von Neumann had a strange death. As he lay on his deathbed in a military hospital, only people with security clearances could be in his presence for fear that he’d blurt out military secrets in his delirium.
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That is because humans did not evolve from apes. Humans evolved from dogs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha_Bulloch_Roosevelt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Stephens_Bulloch
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archibald_Bulloch
In terms of ancestry, TR was 50% Scots, 25% English, and 25% Dutch.Yes, the Scots-Irish. Interestingly enough, they were commonly called "Anglo-Irish" back in the 18th century. Webb's book is a tad on the romantic side. I would recommend the section on the Backcountry in Fischer's Albion's Seed as a corrective.Catholics? I was under the impression that the bulk of the Catholic Quebecois French in NE date to the 19th century.John Jay certainly thought of himself as an Anglo-Saxon.No one likes being called a WASP. Thanks to Hollywood, WASP = evil.Replies: @Rich, @Hibernian
My understanding of the “Anglo-Irish” was always that they were the English who settled in Ireland, often intermarrying with the locals. All members in good standing with the Church of Ireland. The Scots-Irish were hard core Presbyterians. Interestingly, most of the guys I grew up with who were more than one ethnicity, went with their father’s surname. In the end, as things grow worse in the US, all Euro-Americans are going to have come together under something. Southern Whites probably had it figured best.
They would love to talk to someone who is open-minded about it and understands their background because they mostly just get blank stares in their daily lives. I know two who are really good guys and very smart. If you're someone who can follow arguments about formal math in set theory, arguments about AI computer programming [ie, one of them was a LISP programmer in a couple of major university labs in the 80s and 90s], arguments about formal logic, etc. and you might be willing to take a shot at a probable dead end by trying this out and potentially claiming the biggest intellectual prize in world history--figuring out human cognition--then let me know. My anonymous email is "i pat its" at protonmail (no spaces or quotation marks in my name and protonmail is a dot-com domain)Replies: @Desiderius, @candid_observer, @Charles Erwin Wilson
Getting high IQ people to sign on to stupidity is easy. You are on a fool’s errand.
Remind him often that he looks like Ron Jeremy. I’m sure he likes that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ogden_(colonist)
Is "Wolf" always a German surname? Ancestry.com says that it can be English, Danish, or German:https://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=wolf
Also, there's a strong tendency to lump everyone of Protestant Old American ancestry into the WASP category.Replies: @Rich
Shannon’s maternal grandparents were from Germany.
I have crossed the Shannon and landed in Shannon a few times! The only person named Shannon I’m familiar with is Claude. I probably [unknowingly] drove by the nursing home where he spent his final years at least a few times.
http://www.stevestravelguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Minuteman-Statue-on-Lexington-Battle-Green.jpg
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That’s what I’m saying. There is no Bas-WASP anymore than there’s a southern Yank. I’ve known a whole heap of Bas-Americans and most of them haven’t even heard the term (WASP).
If you want unity you’ve got that flag flapping there in the background or you’ve got jackshit.
Very wealthy Protestants from Ulster who married into, or were actually English to begin with, might become WASPs, but the majority of Ulstermen would never be considered WASPs. Read Jim Webb's 'Born Fighting' to see what I mean. I grew up with Scottish neighbors who were always talking about their ancestry and their dislike for the English, but you may know a Scotsman somewhere who has a different opinion.
Massachusetts, Vermont, Maine and even New Hampshire, have a long time French presence, from before the Revolutionary War. I have a daughter-in-law who is descended from them. I suppose you're referring to the Huguenots, but I'm not sure if they'd like being called WASPs, either.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of the WASPs and the great nation they founded and built. However, in my experience here in NY and around the country, non-English folks, Protestant, Catholic or other, would never refer to themselves as WASPs.Replies: @syonredux, @Desiderius
Albion’s Seed is the book you need.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32081.Albion_s_Seed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha_Bulloch_Roosevelt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Stephens_Bulloch
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archibald_Bulloch
In terms of ancestry, TR was 50% Scots, 25% English, and 25% Dutch.Yes, the Scots-Irish. Interestingly enough, they were commonly called "Anglo-Irish" back in the 18th century. Webb's book is a tad on the romantic side. I would recommend the section on the Backcountry in Fischer's Albion's Seed as a corrective.Catholics? I was under the impression that the bulk of the Catholic Quebecois French in NE date to the 19th century.John Jay certainly thought of himself as an Anglo-Saxon.No one likes being called a WASP. Thanks to Hollywood, WASP = evil.Replies: @Rich, @Hibernian
The Anglo-Irish were the landlords and belonged to the (Anglican) Church of Ireland. The Scots-Irish, in Ireland, were tenants, brought in to displace and guard against Irish Catholics, and they were Presbyterian and concentrated in Ulster. Many Scots Irish went to Pennsylvania where the pacifist Quakers made use of them to provide a defensive barrier against the Indians. Many of them moved South to Virginia, the Carolinas, and Georgia. Later generations went west to the South Central and Southwestern states. Some Scots Irish went west to the Midwest from Pennsylvania. A few went from Ulster to northern New England.
You will discover that ethnicity is somewhat malleable. Try getting to the definitive meaning of “black Irish” for instance.
Claude Shannon, in his landmark master’s thesis, however, needed to cite just six papers or books, including a book by A.N. Whitehead, Betrand Russell’s co-author of the voluminous Principia Mathematica, in which, famously, Russell and Whitehead took no fewer than two hundred pages to establish the notion of a couple, essential to get to beyond the notion of one and nothing.
As it turned out the heart of the symbolic logic theory necessary for logic circuits is contained within a few pages of those citations by Shannon. Part of Shannon’s genius, of course, was to figure out what to use.
http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~robins/Shannon_MS_Thesis.pdf
Shannon is famous for Information Theory too, as noted by Mr. Sailer. As he implies, not all major geniuses found two fundamental areas of science.
Because of those two giant contributions, Shannon’s Ph.D. thesis tends to get overlooked somewhat. It established some of the foundations of the field known today as mathematical biology. That Ph.D. thesis paper by itself would have secured Shannon’s reputation as a first rank scientist, if not as a first rank genius.
https://dspace.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.1/11174/34541447-MIT.pdf?sequence=2&isAllowed=y
Look at some videos from variety shows from the 1950s and 1960s (e.g., Ed Sullivan, Arthur Godfrey), when the camera resolution was starting to be good enough, and you will be amazed how many singers and other celebrities had really bad teeth (darkened, crooked, missing).
My older dentist from my childhood used to tell me that when films and television images starting showing sufficient resolution is when people (including the public) started to be really conscious about their teeth. Bigger celebs before then, such as Sinatra, etc... wore caps (vinyl coverings), but the B-list celebrities and politicians didn't.Replies: @prosa123, @Bill Jones
The late Queen Mum in the YUK had bad teeth Dunno what her excuse was.
I have a theory that torture genocide starvation indoctrination climate “change” etc etc are “genius”
Quick research on Ancestry.com makes it clear that the connection must be on the father’s side – his mother’s parents were both born in Germany.
The father’s ancestry is entirely New Jersey-based for well over one hundred years. One of the ancestral names is Potter, probably the state’s leading family historically, but his “branch”, if it be one, is not from the main prosperous and eminent line of Signers and governors and senators, but from one of modest cultivators. The Shannon name goes back to the middle of the 18th century in New Jersey, so the chances are more than good that, even if originally from Ireland, the family would have been Protestant. One source has them as a family originally Scottish which travelled over to Ireland in the middle of the 17th century, and then first to Pennsylvania and quintessentially Scotch-Irish territory there, and then up into New Jersey. A very typical trajectory for families of this sort.
So: an honorary WASP, to Bush’s perfect exemplar.
Haute-WASP:
https://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/images/henry-adams-3.png
https://cdn.quotesgram.com/img/5/22/116165983-.jpg
http://jssgallery.org/Paintings/Mr_and_Mrs_John_Phelps_Stokes/Mr_and_Mrs_John_Phelps_Stokes.jpg
Bas-WASP:
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https://www.webportal.com/caraveo/ditchbank_okies_port.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/17/a8/73/17a873a6aa0fa5190640c5f3f1cf5529--tough-times-hard-times.jpg
Plus everything in between.....I can definitely see a Wolf, a Van Dyke,a Boucher, or a Shannon getting called a WASP.Replies: @Desiderius, @Rich, @Old Palo Altan
Henry Adams, President Eliot, and Isaac Newton Phelps Stokes painted by Sargent – excellent choices, every one.
But the others are poor white trash, and not part of the picture.
Her excuse was very simple: everybody else’s in the UK were (and often still are) worse.
No tradition of dentistry in the UK.