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I am looking forward to the rebound controversy tomorrow in which the Prestige Media takes Trump’s bait and runs stories denouncing Trump for LYING that Senator Elizabeth Warren is only 1/1000th American Indian when the Settled Science suggests she is actually more likely 1/256th American Indian.

In his recent memoir of working for Richard Nixon in 1966-68, Pat Buchanan pointed out a trick Nixon repeatedly played on the press. Pat would write a line like, say, “A recent audit of the Bureau of Indian Affairs found that 92% of the budget was wasted.” Nixon would change the number to 98%.

The press would run his remarks about 98% wasted, then the next day make a big deal about how Nixon was WRONG, the real number isn’t 98% wasted it’s just 92% wasted. Nixon pointed out to Buchanan that that way he got the story he wanted to campaign upon in the newspapers for two days instead of just one day.

More generally, how is this controversy between the Establishment Media and the President over exactly what tiny fraction of Senator Warren’s ancestry entitled her to apply for Affirmative Action and claim the mantle of Diversity as an American Indian going to work for the Democrats’ benefit in November?

Normally, the establishment press really, really doesn’t like talking about the workings of the affirmative action system at all, only bringing it up usually when it reaches a court case. But now everybody is talking about this farcical case.

We are all supposed to be talking about White Privilege and how Race Is Just a Social Construct, not about how an extremely white woman engaged in Flight from White as she was building her career and defends herself today by saying race is so incredibly scientifically real that scientists can measure her 1/256th Native American ancestry.

 
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  1. I can’t believe people are crowing about such a tiny amount of heritage “validating” Warren’s claim. If such a small amount of DNA makes you Native American or whatever, then indeed just about everyone in the US should qualify as for preferential minority status. So yeah, the MSM continually talking about single-digit percentages for Warren actually makes the case against her in the public eye.

    • Replies: @Iberiano
    Everyone should get tested and cite "Warren's Law" or "Warren's Rule"...when questioned that they don't look Asian, Hispanic, Black, Indian, etc.

    This is all media BS, and like Steve says, they fall for it every time. Just like the Mexican/Central American rape claims...he could say 98 percent of them are rapists and the media will crow on about how it's "only 27 percent folks...jeez", naturally setting off housewife and mother alarms as they hear that on the radio having just dropped off their kids...thinking, "it's really that high? wow...Trump is right!"
  2. The Cherokee Nation weighs in:

    TAHLEQUAH, Okla. — Cherokee Nation Secretary of State Chuck Hoskin Jr. issued the following statement Monday in response to Senator Elizabeth Warren’s DNA test claiming Native Heritage:

    “A DNA test is useless to determine tribal citizenship. Current DNA tests do not even distinguish whether a person’s ancestors were indigenous to North or South America,” Cherokee Nation Secretary of State Chuck Hoskin Jr. said. “Sovereign tribal nations set their own legal requirements for citizenship, and while DNA tests can be used to determine lineage, such as paternity to an individual, it is not evidence for tribal affiliation. Using a DNA test to lay claim to any connection to the Cherokee Nation or any tribal nation, even vaguely, is inappropriate and wrong. It makes a mockery out of DNA tests and its legitimate uses while also dishonoring legitimate tribal governments and their citizens, whose ancestors are well documented and whose heritage is proven. Senator Warren is undermining tribal interests with her continued claims of tribal heritage.”

    http://www.cherokee.org/News/Stories/20181015_Cherokee-Nation-responds-to-Senator-Warrens-DNA-test

    • Replies: @Buck Ransom
    America needs to see the full results of Pocahontas's DNA test. The fact that they have been withheld indicates she is hiding something. Here's one guess: her strongest tribal affiliation is 20% with Sephardic Jews, which would have given her a big leg-up with Harvard admissions.
  3. I for one love this Warren DNA cluster. It’s probably going to hasten the end of affirmative action.

  4. Trump is so far inside Warren’s head, I’m surprised the DNA test results didn’t show more Trump genes than Native American genes.

    The only thing more ridiculuous that Warren thinking her recent announcement is beneficial for her Presidential ambitions is the media coverage defending her.

    In my opinion, Trump’s main accomplishment as President has been to show how little our Elites inside the Beltway and in the media understand the average American. The average voter now has a clear view of the mendacity and idioticy of our Ruiling Class.

    • Agree: TTSSYF, slumber_j
    • LOL: Abe
    • Replies: @TheBoom
    I’m surprised the DNA test results didn’t show more Trump genes than Native American genes.

    I think you'll find that more in a test for viruses. Most of the media would likely be found to carry the Trump Derangement Syndrome virus.
    , @PiltdownMan

    I’m surprised the DNA test results didn’t show more Trump genes than Native American genes.
     
    I was thinking the same thing yesterday. It would be hilarious if some genealogical researcher were to discover that President Trump and Elizabeth Warren had a common Old World ancestor in the last few centuries. Warren supporters would be horrified, especially if the relationship were closer than Warren's is, with her Indian ancestor.

    George Bush and Barack Obama have an ancestor in common, as do Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. iirc, Bill Clinton and George Bush, do, too. That specific type of news item has been popping up regularly during presidential election seasons in recent decades.
    , @ChrisZ
    Hilarious comment, Commuter.

    In the catalog of Trump’s exposures of the “elites,” don’t forget their money-grubbing, greasy-pole climbing corruption. As early as the Republican primary season, Trump’s mere presence among all those other candidates was enough to expose them—every one!—as bought and paid for by the open borders donor class.

    His exposure of Warren’s crassness speaks for itself.
    , @Iberiano
    LOL. Gold.

    Can't wait until he starts calling her "Princess 1/1,000th Warren". And the media keeps correcting him, snootily..."it's Princess 1/32nd to 1/512th, Mr. "president' "

    Can't you just see Problem Glasses Anderson Cooper, asking, "Does America really want a President who questions the racial/ethnic background of someone who is scientifically proven to be 1/32nd to 1/1024th Native American? Doesn't this dishonor fellow Native Americans for him to be so dismissive of her great--great-great, possibly two more great-great, grandmothers?"
    , @Bill

    The only thing more ridiculuous that Warren thinking her recent announcement is beneficial for her Presidential ambitions is the media coverage defending her.
     
    Sometimes I wonder if Democrat strategy isn't controlled by some Republican plant. E.g., who thought that revealing that Kavanaugh got into barroom brawls as a young man was going to hurt him or the GOP? Those downscale white guys who wish the factories would come back are saying to themselves "Well, I was going to vote GOP for the second time in my life, but now that I know Republicans sometimes get into brawls, I'm scurrying back to the Donks. For the safety."
    , @Flubber
    It would be astounding if Trump had his DNA analysed and he turned out to have a higher Native American percentage...
  5. “Normally, the establishment press really, really doesn’t like talking about the workings of the affirmative action system at all, only bringing it up usually when it reaches a court case. But now everybody is talking about this farcical case.”

    “We are all supposed to be talking about White Privilege and how Race Is Just a Social Construct, not about how an extremely white woman engaged in Flight from White as she was building her career and defends herself today by saying race is so incredibly scientifically real that scientists can measure her 1/256th Native American ancestry.”

    OMG, I’m really gobsmacked, even though Steve’s noticing of the “race is not real”, who-whom political fraud we live under is a staple here. Maybe it’s because my area lost a school CEO (not superintendent; political back story’s TL:dr), a very decent guy, and the local editorial following the announcement of his departure noted the usual cliches about inept school board, entrenched teachers’ unions, but not a word about the racial composition of the district. We’re better than “noticing” race, except, of course, the cost per pupil is twice that of nearby suburban districts with excellent performance stats.

  6. Maybe gullibility follows a modified Bell Curve? Really dumb and really smart people can’t help but think it’ll work this time, no matter how often it failed before.?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    There is a really great story on The Moth that illustrates this: a boy at summer camp is easily fooled becaus his dad is a physicist, so his understanding of probability is warped.
    ... I can't find it, they may not have archived it, or I could be confusing it with the several other NPR products that are Moth-like.
    , @whorefinder
    Really smart people, or more accurately, people who think they are very smart, are often too arrogant to admit to themselves that they are being bamboozled, and thus tend to continue with nonsense long after average folks have figured out its a con. Oprah got conned by A Million Little Pieces as an autobiography, for example. Really smart folks on the Left got conned by Dr. Christine Ford and the Rolling Stone Rape Hoax. Arrogance can be a great inhibitor to common sense. Hence why the global warming conspiracy theory and the Russia Hoax are still both rampant on the Left, even amongst the smarter of them.

    As with Socrates, the really really wise folks know they know nothing, and are fallible, and can be fooled. But those folks are very few and far between, and most high IQ types think they can't be fooled, being smart but not wise.

  7. It is remarkable that they still haven’t figured this out.

  8. Does this change anyone’s mind though? Yes people keep talking about it, but what changes? Does the AA system change in any meaningful way?

    • Replies: @scrivener3
    Ideas matter, what is in the life of the mind today is in art tomorrow and politics the day after. We did not get to where we are without an intellectual superstructure to support the policies, and ultimately, the public opinion, we have.
  9. @NJ Transit Commuter
    Trump is so far inside Warren’s head, I’m surprised the DNA test results didn’t show more Trump genes than Native American genes.

    The only thing more ridiculuous that Warren thinking her recent announcement is beneficial for her Presidential ambitions is the media coverage defending her.

    In my opinion, Trump’s main accomplishment as President has been to show how little our Elites inside the Beltway and in the media understand the average American. The average voter now has a clear view of the mendacity and idioticy of our Ruiling Class.

    I’m surprised the DNA test results didn’t show more Trump genes than Native American genes.

    I think you’ll find that more in a test for viruses. Most of the media would likely be found to carry the Trump Derangement Syndrome virus.

    • Replies: @res

    I’m surprised the DNA test results didn’t show more Trump genes than Native American genes.

    I think you’ll find that more in a test for viruses. Most of the media would likely be found to carry the Trump Derangement Syndrome virus.
     
    Trump Derangement Syndrome as a retrovirus (virus which inserts itself into the host's DNA). Now there is a funny analogy. Would help explain the efficiency with which it has spread ; ) Are tweets the vector?
  10. Trump has been doing this from day one. His repeated hyperbole is like catnip to left-wing “fact-checkers”, who “debunk” his claims, not realizing that (1) most average folks know there’s a big difference between a lie and an exaggeration; (2) most Americans cynically expect their politicians to lie, so Trump’s exaggerations seem harmless and humorous in comparison; (3) the ‘fact-checkers” a’re playing on the battlefield Trump has chosen by “fact-checking” him.

    One of Trump’s first salvos in this arena was his talk about being worth “$10 Billion.” The fact checkers leapt up to discount him, claiming they wanted his tax returns to prove it and there just wasn’t anyway he was worth that much. But they all conceded he was very rich, had his own private plane, owned hundreds of millions in real estate world wide, had multiple very-successful businesses, etc. So really the press was just having a public disagreement with Trump on how many billions he had, not whether he had $10 billion.

    Ergo, Trump won; everyone was just arguing about whether Trump was mega-successful or mega-mega successful.

    Conversely, it’s why the Holocaust revisionists can’t really gain traction with normies. Whether the Nazis murdered 6 million Jews deliberately in death camps or whether they shot/starved/let die only 1 -2 million Jews, it’s still millions of Jews the Nazis got rid of deliberately/accidentally-on-purpose. The Jews were massive victims of the Nazis, full stop.

    In short, it’s summed up by that old joke.
    Man walks into a bar.
    Man to woman at the bar: “Would you sleep with me for $1 million?”
    Woman (smiling) to man: “We both know you won’t give me a $1 million.”
    Man: “Ok, about for ten bucks?”
    Woman (angry): “What kind of woman do you think I am?”
    Man: “We’ve already established what kind of woman you are. Now we’re just negotiating.”

    • Replies: @Stephen Paul Foster
    "Conversely, it’s why the Holocaust revisionists can’t really gain traction with normies. Whether the Nazis murdered 6 million Jews deliberately in death camps or whether they shot/starved/let die only 1 -2 million Jews, it’s still millions of Jews the Nazis got rid of deliberately/accidentally-on-purpose. The Jews were massive victims of the Nazis, full stop."

    Interesting point and I agree: but why do the Jews like Deborah Lipstadt, et al so ferociously persecute the revisionists -- have them thrown in jail, destroy their careers, etc.? It turns the revisionists into martyrs and makes the Jews look like they are afraid of something.
    , @Pericles
    The name of that man? Winston Churchill.
  11. “Average American” , there’s not even an average Steve reader/commenter .

  12. Let’s see Elizabeth Warren try to get some of that NA casino money.
    Not gonna happen because she’s NOT NATIVE AMERICAN.

  13. The democrats need to give Elizabeth the old “there is no I in team speech”. How the hell is making oneself the national focus in a news cycle three weeks before a monster election smart?

    • Agree: Ghost of Bull Moose
  14. I’m with Whiskey on this: Flood the zone. (and I don’t even care about basketball.)

    I don’t mean just the American Indian quotas. Put in for anything, change your names, get some DNA sampled, every single male white applicant to college or a job. Put this AA garbage down for good!

    • Replies: @Iberiano
    If you have any Spanish (even from Spain) ancestry whatsoever, you can claim Hispanic, that's federal (OPM) rules in fact.
    , @Anonymous

    I don’t mean just the American Indian quotas. Put in for anything, change your names, get some DNA sampled, every single male white applicant to college or a job. Put this AA garbage down for good!
     
    That sounds like something Saul Alinksy would come up with.
    , @anon
    Something tells me Elizabeth Warren's name was already inked in for that Harvard Professorship, and the NA ancestry eligibility just gave their inevitable selection that figleaf of credibility.
  15. Warren was the one who brought this up and went out and got the special testing (just like Chrissy got her polygraph long before she went public). Warren is getting ready to start her campaign and needs this put to bed. If we were past the primaries, the MSM would just blame Trump for being a racist but I’m not sure that her primary opponents on the Left are going to give her a pass on this.

    The MSM and the Dems seem to think that they can still control the Narrative – print headline “Elizabeth Warren is an Indian” and voila, it’s done. I don’t think it works that way anymore. Too many people are wise to their shtick now.

    • Replies: @res
    The special testing (venue selection and control of information release) is an interesting wrinkle. Is this a relatively new thing? I don't recall this tactic being used preemptively so much. (rereading this, there are probably thousands of examples, I am talking frequency)
  16. Headline: “Elizabeth Warren Starts New ‘Get Out the Vote’ Campaign for Republican Candidates”

    This woman is mentally defective in truly bizarre and frightening ways.

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
    Not unlike Hillary in that regard with her "Civility can begin after Democrats take back the House and/or Senate." For supposedly intelligent people, they sure are stupid.
  17. The press would run his remarks about 98% wasted, then the next day make a big deal about how Nixon was WRONG, the real number isn’t 98% wasted it’s just 92% wasted. Nixon pointed out to Buchanan that that way he got the story he wanted to campaign upon in the newspapers for two days instead of just one day.

    Reagan did this in reverse. He claimed that one-third of Soviet homes didn’t have hot running water. The truth was, two-thirds of Soviet homes didn’t. One-third didn’t have any running water.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Many Soviet cities had district heating, where underground pipes would supply a whole neighborhood of Soviet style housing projects with steam for domestic heat and hot water. Every year at the end of heating season they would shut down the entire system "for maintenance" for a couple of weeks (maybe even longer), so even if you had hot water the rest of the year, you wouldn't have any for that period. I think they still do this but people with $ have individual water heaters in their apartments now for when the central system isn't working.
  18. I’m trying to figure out which of the last three media wall-to-wall outrages has the most actual evidence.

    –Kavanaugh
    –Khashoggi
    –Fauxcahontas Liz

    The media has moved from none and can’t disprove the denial, to rumor of a murder but no body, to levels below 0.01% of microscopic material.

    I can’t wait (yes I can) for the next outrage…

    • Replies: @JackOH
    LOL, Forbes. We really are in info-tainment land.

    Here's my take on the stories you note:

    Kavanaugh-Teenager drinks beer. Gets drunk.

    Khashoggi-Can't find the guy.

    Fauxcahontas Liz-Senator has ancestors.
    , @Kevin O'Keeffe
    With all due respect to you and the President, I'm not sure it's wise for us to get very heavily invested in any the-Saudis-are-innocent narrative. Because they probably aren't. The Crown Prince is an imbecile, and needs to be put out to pasture.
  19. @NJ Transit Commuter
    Trump is so far inside Warren’s head, I’m surprised the DNA test results didn’t show more Trump genes than Native American genes.

    The only thing more ridiculuous that Warren thinking her recent announcement is beneficial for her Presidential ambitions is the media coverage defending her.

    In my opinion, Trump’s main accomplishment as President has been to show how little our Elites inside the Beltway and in the media understand the average American. The average voter now has a clear view of the mendacity and idioticy of our Ruiling Class.

    I’m surprised the DNA test results didn’t show more Trump genes than Native American genes.

    I was thinking the same thing yesterday. It would be hilarious if some genealogical researcher were to discover that President Trump and Elizabeth Warren had a common Old World ancestor in the last few centuries. Warren supporters would be horrified, especially if the relationship were closer than Warren’s is, with her Indian ancestor.

    George Bush and Barack Obama have an ancestor in common, as do Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. iirc, Bill Clinton and George Bush, do, too. That specific type of news item has been popping up regularly during presidential election seasons in recent decades.

  20. @Anonymous IV
    I can't believe people are crowing about such a tiny amount of heritage "validating" Warren's claim. If such a small amount of DNA makes you Native American or whatever, then indeed just about everyone in the US should qualify as for preferential minority status. So yeah, the MSM continually talking about single-digit percentages for Warren actually makes the case against her in the public eye.

    Everyone should get tested and cite “Warren’s Law” or “Warren’s Rule”…when questioned that they don’t look Asian, Hispanic, Black, Indian, etc.

    This is all media BS, and like Steve says, they fall for it every time. Just like the Mexican/Central American rape claims…he could say 98 percent of them are rapists and the media will crow on about how it’s “only 27 percent folks…jeez”, naturally setting off housewife and mother alarms as they hear that on the radio having just dropped off their kids…thinking, “it’s really that high? wow…Trump is right!”

    • Replies: @whorefinder
    The leaders of the NAACP might vociferously protest. As would Shaun King.

    More seriously, getting such a movement started ("all claiming to be in such a racial minority must prove it by DNA tests") would likely create the most problems in the black community, where the leaders have been traditionally very-light skinned/ part white/near-passers, while the underlings have always been darker-skinned. The "Light-skinned House servant v. the dark-skinned field hand" is a continuing theme in intra-black politics, now only equaled by the "street cred v. uncle Tom" theme. Being able to accurately measure "black" racial makeup would likely lead to quotas against those lighter-skinned ones who aren't at least 75-90% "real" black.

    (It would also start to show the huge amount of inbreeding in the black American community, but only after a sufficient buildup of data that likely won't be released and hidden from the public or destroyed, if the blacks can get away with it).

    That said, I really don't trust most DNA tests yet in terms of race. I've known people who take them from several different companies, and they get different results. One tests says they're 50% French, another shows only trace French. And, as Cracked.com revealed (perhaps accidentally), the big DNA testing companies always include at least "1-2% black" for everyone, not because it's found, but just to mess with "racists." : http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-2522-inside-shady-world-dna-testing-companies.html

    So they have their fingers on the scale and can't get most of the other numbers right. Yet.

    The only thing true about taking a DNA history test is that you're freely giving your blood to the Feds without a warrant.

  21. @NJ Transit Commuter
    Trump is so far inside Warren’s head, I’m surprised the DNA test results didn’t show more Trump genes than Native American genes.

    The only thing more ridiculuous that Warren thinking her recent announcement is beneficial for her Presidential ambitions is the media coverage defending her.

    In my opinion, Trump’s main accomplishment as President has been to show how little our Elites inside the Beltway and in the media understand the average American. The average voter now has a clear view of the mendacity and idioticy of our Ruiling Class.

    Hilarious comment, Commuter.

    In the catalog of Trump’s exposures of the “elites,” don’t forget their money-grubbing, greasy-pole climbing corruption. As early as the Republican primary season, Trump’s mere presence among all those other candidates was enough to expose them—every one!—as bought and paid for by the open borders donor class.

    His exposure of Warren’s crassness speaks for itself.

  22. @Anon7
    The Cherokee Nation weighs in:


    TAHLEQUAH, Okla. — Cherokee Nation Secretary of State Chuck Hoskin Jr. issued the following statement Monday in response to Senator Elizabeth Warren’s DNA test claiming Native Heritage:

    "A DNA test is useless to determine tribal citizenship. Current DNA tests do not even distinguish whether a person’s ancestors were indigenous to North or South America," Cherokee Nation Secretary of State Chuck Hoskin Jr. said. "Sovereign tribal nations set their own legal requirements for citizenship, and while DNA tests can be used to determine lineage, such as paternity to an individual, it is not evidence for tribal affiliation. Using a DNA test to lay claim to any connection to the Cherokee Nation or any tribal nation, even vaguely, is inappropriate and wrong. It makes a mockery out of DNA tests and its legitimate uses while also dishonoring legitimate tribal governments and their citizens, whose ancestors are well documented and whose heritage is proven. Senator Warren is undermining tribal interests with her continued claims of tribal heritage."

    http://www.cherokee.org/News/Stories/20181015_Cherokee-Nation-responds-to-Senator-Warrens-DNA-test

     

    America needs to see the full results of Pocahontas’s DNA test. The fact that they have been withheld indicates she is hiding something. Here’s one guess: her strongest tribal affiliation is 20% with Sephardic Jews, which would have given her a big leg-up with Harvard admissions.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Crypto- Jews - they're everywhere!

    Warren didn't need a leg up with Harvard admissions because she was never admitted to Harvard.

    As for getting a job on the faculty, I think that they must figure that they've got enough Jews already and they need some of that diversa-tea, which is the tastiest tea around.
    , @Lot
    "Here’s one guess: her strongest tribal affiliation is 20% with Sephardic Jew"

    After Inquisition, the Sephardi fled to England, Holland, Algeria, Italy, and Norman, Oklahoma.
  23. @NJ Transit Commuter
    Trump is so far inside Warren’s head, I’m surprised the DNA test results didn’t show more Trump genes than Native American genes.

    The only thing more ridiculuous that Warren thinking her recent announcement is beneficial for her Presidential ambitions is the media coverage defending her.

    In my opinion, Trump’s main accomplishment as President has been to show how little our Elites inside the Beltway and in the media understand the average American. The average voter now has a clear view of the mendacity and idioticy of our Ruiling Class.

    LOL. Gold.

    Can’t wait until he starts calling her “Princess 1/1,000th Warren”. And the media keeps correcting him, snootily…“it’s Princess 1/32nd to 1/512th, Mr. “president’ ”

    Can’t you just see Problem Glasses Anderson Cooper, asking, “Does America really want a President who questions the racial/ethnic background of someone who is scientifically proven to be 1/32nd to 1/1024th Native American? Doesn’t this dishonor fellow Native Americans for him to be so dismissive of her great–great-great, possibly two more great-great, grandmothers?”

    • Replies: @Buck Ransom
    The Golden Golum of Greatness needs to make a staple of this at his upcoming MAGA rallies. If it is established that Lieawatha is 1/1000th Native American, President Trump should graciously offer to write a check for 1/1000th of the amount in question, and then send a $1,000 cheque to some charity tied to the Cherokee Nation.
  24. The best part of that clip is Melania’s smile. She just loves her man giving it back to them.

  25. @Achmed E. Newman
    I'm with Whiskey on this: Flood the zone. (and I don't even care about basketball.)

    I don't mean just the American Indian quotas. Put in for anything, change your names, get some DNA sampled, every single male white applicant to college or a job. Put this AA garbage down for good!

    If you have any Spanish (even from Spain) ancestry whatsoever, you can claim Hispanic, that’s federal (OPM) rules in fact.

    • Replies: @Pericles

    If you have any Spanish (even from Spain) ancestry whatsoever, you can claim Hispanic, that’s federal (OPM) rules in fact.

     

    Hmm ... what if you're a naturalized citizen of Spain? Or a resident?
    , @anonymous
    'if you have any Spanish (even from Spain) ancestry whatsoever, you can claim Hispanic, that’s federal (OPM) rules in fact.'

    Roger that. Many Spaniards traditionally have this thing that any Iberian/South Italic (if your family connected to Iberia) Peninsula ancestry, no matter how faint, makes you Hispanic, the southern version of Ibero-Celtic-Latin. This is without prejudice to any other identification, since they view it as basically familial. They're not racists but racialists, including everybody they can in their big Hispanic family. They do distinguish within various levels of race mixture, mestizo and so forth. But DNA has nothing to do with it, since it's familial. You had an Hispanic ancestor 3000 years ago and are otherwise Chinese, you're nominally Hispanic. You're definitely Hispanic if you 'ostentate' the title of Hispanic with some familial claim, that is, maintain it aggressively.

    They'll use the terms Latins (including French, Romanians, nominally UK) or Iberics (the Portuguese) to include other nations as well. They use the term Ibers (Iberos) for nations they say had/has an upper class that's related, like the Persians, though I've mostly heard that distinction from Spanish nobles I've met who have some surprising clan connections with all kinds of ethnicities.
  26. @Forbes
    I'm trying to figure out which of the last three media wall-to-wall outrages has the most actual evidence.

    --Kavanaugh
    --Khashoggi
    --Fauxcahontas Liz

    The media has moved from none and can't disprove the denial, to rumor of a murder but no body, to levels below 0.01% of microscopic material.

    I can't wait (yes I can) for the next outrage...

    LOL, Forbes. We really are in info-tainment land.

    Here’s my take on the stories you note:

    Kavanaugh-Teenager drinks beer. Gets drunk.

    Khashoggi-Can’t find the guy.

    Fauxcahontas Liz-Senator has ancestors.

  27. @Redneck farmer
    Maybe gullibility follows a modified Bell Curve? Really dumb and really smart people can't help but think it'll work this time, no matter how often it failed before.?

    There is a really great story on The Moth that illustrates this: a boy at summer camp is easily fooled becaus his dad is a physicist, so his understanding of probability is warped.
    … I can’t find it, they may not have archived it, or I could be confusing it with the several other NPR products that are Moth-like.

  28. @Barnard
    Does this change anyone's mind though? Yes people keep talking about it, but what changes? Does the AA system change in any meaningful way?

    Ideas matter, what is in the life of the mind today is in art tomorrow and politics the day after. We did not get to where we are without an intellectual superstructure to support the policies, and ultimately, the public opinion, we have.

    • Replies: @ziggurat
    I agree (though I don't have the rights yet to click the agree button).

    A recall once hearing similar words of wisdom:
    "The future of this country will be determined by the ideas in people's heads."

    The importance of ideas may be the most important idea of them all.
  29. @Iberiano
    Everyone should get tested and cite "Warren's Law" or "Warren's Rule"...when questioned that they don't look Asian, Hispanic, Black, Indian, etc.

    This is all media BS, and like Steve says, they fall for it every time. Just like the Mexican/Central American rape claims...he could say 98 percent of them are rapists and the media will crow on about how it's "only 27 percent folks...jeez", naturally setting off housewife and mother alarms as they hear that on the radio having just dropped off their kids...thinking, "it's really that high? wow...Trump is right!"

    The leaders of the NAACP might vociferously protest. As would Shaun King.

    More seriously, getting such a movement started (“all claiming to be in such a racial minority must prove it by DNA tests”) would likely create the most problems in the black community, where the leaders have been traditionally very-light skinned/ part white/near-passers, while the underlings have always been darker-skinned. The “Light-skinned House servant v. the dark-skinned field hand” is a continuing theme in intra-black politics, now only equaled by the “street cred v. uncle Tom” theme. Being able to accurately measure “black” racial makeup would likely lead to quotas against those lighter-skinned ones who aren’t at least 75-90% “real” black.

    (It would also start to show the huge amount of inbreeding in the black American community, but only after a sufficient buildup of data that likely won’t be released and hidden from the public or destroyed, if the blacks can get away with it).

    That said, I really don’t trust most DNA tests yet in terms of race. I’ve known people who take them from several different companies, and they get different results. One tests says they’re 50% French, another shows only trace French. And, as Cracked.com revealed (perhaps accidentally), the big DNA testing companies always include at least “1-2% black” for everyone, not because it’s found, but just to mess with “racists.” : http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-2522-inside-shady-world-dna-testing-companies.html

    So they have their fingers on the scale and can’t get most of the other numbers right. Yet.

    The only thing true about taking a DNA history test is that you’re freely giving your blood to the Feds without a warrant.

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
    I've suspected the same thing as well.
    , @Thea
    Everyone receiving a report from 23& me( who are laughing all the way to the bank on this one) with <.01% African ancestry should claim based on the one drop rule
    , @E e
    And yet, pretty much all of my near family on 23andme are pretty much 100% European, without even a fraction of a percent of subsaharan African. How can this be if there's such a grand conspiracy?
  30. @Iberiano
    LOL. Gold.

    Can't wait until he starts calling her "Princess 1/1,000th Warren". And the media keeps correcting him, snootily..."it's Princess 1/32nd to 1/512th, Mr. "president' "

    Can't you just see Problem Glasses Anderson Cooper, asking, "Does America really want a President who questions the racial/ethnic background of someone who is scientifically proven to be 1/32nd to 1/1024th Native American? Doesn't this dishonor fellow Native Americans for him to be so dismissive of her great--great-great, possibly two more great-great, grandmothers?"

    The Golden Golum of Greatness needs to make a staple of this at his upcoming MAGA rallies. If it is established that Lieawatha is 1/1000th Native American, President Trump should graciously offer to write a check for 1/1000th of the amount in question, and then send a $1,000 cheque to some charity tied to the Cherokee Nation.

  31. Look how far we’ve come in only 5 days. On Oct. 10th, it was Prof. Boddie opining about race issues among the American elites.

    Imagine this scenario: An voter sits down to examine candidates’ records, but they’re heavily redacted because the campaign must censor all references to a candidate’s race.

    The voter can consider a candidate’s gender, where she grew up, whether she preferred the Yankees to the Red Sox and every other conceivable part of her background or identity. But not her race, even if it had a formative impact on her life.

    That could become the reality for every election if a group of right-wing pundits wins in the court of public opinion. They want to stop the modest use of race in politics that some liberal whites have used to great advantage…

  32. @Redneck farmer
    Maybe gullibility follows a modified Bell Curve? Really dumb and really smart people can't help but think it'll work this time, no matter how often it failed before.?

    Really smart people, or more accurately, people who think they are very smart, are often too arrogant to admit to themselves that they are being bamboozled, and thus tend to continue with nonsense long after average folks have figured out its a con. Oprah got conned by A Million Little Pieces as an autobiography, for example. Really smart folks on the Left got conned by Dr. Christine Ford and the Rolling Stone Rape Hoax. Arrogance can be a great inhibitor to common sense. Hence why the global warming conspiracy theory and the Russia Hoax are still both rampant on the Left, even amongst the smarter of them.

    As with Socrates, the really really wise folks know they know nothing, and are fallible, and can be fooled. But those folks are very few and far between, and most high IQ types think they can’t be fooled, being smart but not wise.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Johnny Smoggins
    Regular people believe X

    Smart people believe Y

    Really smart people believe X
    , @Anon
    Being smart can make one arrogant, and arrogance can lead to shutting one's mind. Smartness doesn't give anyone an automatic exemption from being lazy.
  33. @whorefinder
    Really smart people, or more accurately, people who think they are very smart, are often too arrogant to admit to themselves that they are being bamboozled, and thus tend to continue with nonsense long after average folks have figured out its a con. Oprah got conned by A Million Little Pieces as an autobiography, for example. Really smart folks on the Left got conned by Dr. Christine Ford and the Rolling Stone Rape Hoax. Arrogance can be a great inhibitor to common sense. Hence why the global warming conspiracy theory and the Russia Hoax are still both rampant on the Left, even amongst the smarter of them.

    As with Socrates, the really really wise folks know they know nothing, and are fallible, and can be fooled. But those folks are very few and far between, and most high IQ types think they can't be fooled, being smart but not wise.

    Regular people believe X

    Smart people believe Y

    Really smart people believe X

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
    Agreed. I've often thought that a lot of highly intelligent people engage in a lot of navel-gazing (believe Y) and eventually, if they're honest, come full circle back to believing X (what regular people instinctively believe from the get-go, because they rely on their common sense). Believing Y is just another form of elitism, a means of differentiating one's self from the unwashed masses.
  34. @whorefinder
    Really smart people, or more accurately, people who think they are very smart, are often too arrogant to admit to themselves that they are being bamboozled, and thus tend to continue with nonsense long after average folks have figured out its a con. Oprah got conned by A Million Little Pieces as an autobiography, for example. Really smart folks on the Left got conned by Dr. Christine Ford and the Rolling Stone Rape Hoax. Arrogance can be a great inhibitor to common sense. Hence why the global warming conspiracy theory and the Russia Hoax are still both rampant on the Left, even amongst the smarter of them.

    As with Socrates, the really really wise folks know they know nothing, and are fallible, and can be fooled. But those folks are very few and far between, and most high IQ types think they can't be fooled, being smart but not wise.

    Being smart can make one arrogant, and arrogance can lead to shutting one’s mind. Smartness doesn’t give anyone an automatic exemption from being lazy.

    • Replies: @Stephen Paul Foster
    "Being smart can make one arrogant, and arrogance can lead to shutting one’s mind."

    Case in point, Barack Obama. He seemed to believe that every platitude and banality that popped out of his mouth was the depth of profundity. Those who didn't swoon were "bitter clingers."
  35. Anon[360] • Disclaimer says:

    I do this with SAT and other academic scores in debates. I know how many SAT or LSAT points equals a standard deviation, and I just do the conversion and throw out the results. You can’t really be challenged, other than with claims that such figures were never released. However, there have been all kinds of such leaks in books by former admissions officials, exhibits in court cases, and footnotes in state legislative documents, so it’s easy to bluff. Specific figures are much more powerful than a lengthy explanation of what the figures probably are.

    Amy Wax sort of did this when she made statements about black performance at Penn Law on the Glenn Loury podcast: that they rarely graduate in the top half of the class. This got her in a a certain amount of trouble (she lost her 1L teaching assignment), but in the process, since the administration didn’t deny what she said, her statement got a lot of traction, and worse stuff came out from other sources, along the lines of 90 percent of black law school students are in the bottom 10 percent, which got publicity. The administration said she violated privacy rules and she wouldn’t know anyway because of blind grading, and so on, which just made them look silly.

  36. Trump is an absolute master. My goodness.

    • Replies: @ChrisZ
    “She owes the whole country an apology.”

    Priceless!
  37. @Achmed E. Newman
    I'm with Whiskey on this: Flood the zone. (and I don't even care about basketball.)

    I don't mean just the American Indian quotas. Put in for anything, change your names, get some DNA sampled, every single male white applicant to college or a job. Put this AA garbage down for good!

    I don’t mean just the American Indian quotas. Put in for anything, change your names, get some DNA sampled, every single male white applicant to college or a job. Put this AA garbage down for good!

    That sounds like something Saul Alinksy would come up with.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Tit-for-tat is optimal for a reason.

    Contra Alinsky and the Hermeneutic of Suspicion crowd, tit-for-tat opens with trust. But bad faith can't be met with good or it ruins the signal.
  38. @scrivener3
    Ideas matter, what is in the life of the mind today is in art tomorrow and politics the day after. We did not get to where we are without an intellectual superstructure to support the policies, and ultimately, the public opinion, we have.

    I agree (though I don’t have the rights yet to click the agree button).

    A recall once hearing similar words of wisdom:
    “The future of this country will be determined by the ideas in people’s heads.”

    The importance of ideas may be the most important idea of them all.

  39. Releasing the report is one of the bigger own-goals of recent American politics. Warren didn’t lose much by leaving it ambiguous how much Indian ancestry she has. None of her potential voters care. She could have had the testing done anonymously, and showily re-done it as her rebuttal to Trump in case the results were favorable. A worse (for her) possibility is if that’s what happened and nobody advised her that 1/256 doesn’t look good.

    Now, the 1024 jokes write themselves, and will haunt Warren for the rest of her political career. Opponents’ supporters can wear loud high-contrast 1024 T shirts to her debates that will be visible every time the crowd is shown. The mockery will never end and instead of “Pocahontas” that opens Trump to charges of racism, it can all be framed as a single number.

    If she and her advisors are as tone-deaf as it seems that is exceptionally good news for Trump.

  40. @Reg Cæsar

    The press would run his remarks about 98% wasted, then the next day make a big deal about how Nixon was WRONG, the real number isn’t 98% wasted it’s just 92% wasted. Nixon pointed out to Buchanan that that way he got the story he wanted to campaign upon in the newspapers for two days instead of just one day.
     
    Reagan did this in reverse. He claimed that one-third of Soviet homes didn't have hot running water. The truth was, two-thirds of Soviet homes didn't. One-third didn't have any running water.

    Many Soviet cities had district heating, where underground pipes would supply a whole neighborhood of Soviet style housing projects with steam for domestic heat and hot water. Every year at the end of heating season they would shut down the entire system “for maintenance” for a couple of weeks (maybe even longer), so even if you had hot water the rest of the year, you wouldn’t have any for that period. I think they still do this but people with $ have individual water heaters in their apartments now for when the central system isn’t working.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    An acquaintance from St Petersburg tells me they still do a huge "sewer" cleanout every summer. This is briefly shown in the Russian movie "Pitr FM."
    , @Lot
    Cold American amd European cities have utility steam pipes too, but they do not have annual shutdowns.
  41. @Buck Ransom
    America needs to see the full results of Pocahontas's DNA test. The fact that they have been withheld indicates she is hiding something. Here's one guess: her strongest tribal affiliation is 20% with Sephardic Jews, which would have given her a big leg-up with Harvard admissions.

    Crypto- Jews – they’re everywhere!

    Warren didn’t need a leg up with Harvard admissions because she was never admitted to Harvard.

    As for getting a job on the faculty, I think that they must figure that they’ve got enough Jews already and they need some of that diversa-tea, which is the tastiest tea around.

    • Replies: @academic gossip
    Crypsis: is there anything it can't do?

    I think that they must figure that they’ve got enough Jews already and they need some of that diversa-tea, which is the tastiest tea around.
     
    Jeannie Suk looked great when they hired her. She is oddly frumpy now for a high status and once beautiful Korean woman in her 40's. Amy Chua, who was further on the diversity-nepotism minority female hiring spectrum, barely aged and at 50 had a body that would be the envy of women half her age. She is from a visibly high T family which may help.
  42. Major duh. The smell of desperation is in the air.

  43. @Jack D
    Many Soviet cities had district heating, where underground pipes would supply a whole neighborhood of Soviet style housing projects with steam for domestic heat and hot water. Every year at the end of heating season they would shut down the entire system "for maintenance" for a couple of weeks (maybe even longer), so even if you had hot water the rest of the year, you wouldn't have any for that period. I think they still do this but people with $ have individual water heaters in their apartments now for when the central system isn't working.

    An acquaintance from St Petersburg tells me they still do a huge “sewer” cleanout every summer. This is briefly shown in the Russian movie “Pitr FM.”

  44. So Warren has essentially proven she is Mestizo.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    On Leap days.
  45. Pres. Trump says he doesn’t owe Sen. Warren an apology following release of DNA test showing “strong evidence” she had a Native American ancestor dating back several generations.

    Will she accuse him of Indian-giving?

    • LOL: EdwardM
  46. @Jack D
    Crypto- Jews - they're everywhere!

    Warren didn't need a leg up with Harvard admissions because she was never admitted to Harvard.

    As for getting a job on the faculty, I think that they must figure that they've got enough Jews already and they need some of that diversa-tea, which is the tastiest tea around.

    Crypsis: is there anything it can’t do?

    I think that they must figure that they’ve got enough Jews already and they need some of that diversa-tea, which is the tastiest tea around.

    Jeannie Suk looked great when they hired her. She is oddly frumpy now for a high status and once beautiful Korean woman in her 40’s. Amy Chua, who was further on the diversity-nepotism minority female hiring spectrum, barely aged and at 50 had a body that would be the envy of women half her age. She is from a visibly high T family which may help.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    She is from a visibly high T family which may help.

    Sounds like you have a theory, which could be interesting.

  47. @Anonymous

    I don’t mean just the American Indian quotas. Put in for anything, change your names, get some DNA sampled, every single male white applicant to college or a job. Put this AA garbage down for good!
     
    That sounds like something Saul Alinksy would come up with.

    Tit-for-tat is optimal for a reason.

    Contra Alinsky and the Hermeneutic of Suspicion crowd, tit-for-tat opens with trust. But bad faith can’t be met with good or it ruins the signal.

  48. @Jack D
    Many Soviet cities had district heating, where underground pipes would supply a whole neighborhood of Soviet style housing projects with steam for domestic heat and hot water. Every year at the end of heating season they would shut down the entire system "for maintenance" for a couple of weeks (maybe even longer), so even if you had hot water the rest of the year, you wouldn't have any for that period. I think they still do this but people with $ have individual water heaters in their apartments now for when the central system isn't working.

    Cold American amd European cities have utility steam pipes too, but they do not have annual shutdowns.

  49. @The Alarmist
    So Warren has essentially proven she is Mestizo.

    On Leap days.

  50. @Buck Ransom
    America needs to see the full results of Pocahontas's DNA test. The fact that they have been withheld indicates she is hiding something. Here's one guess: her strongest tribal affiliation is 20% with Sephardic Jews, which would have given her a big leg-up with Harvard admissions.

    “Here’s one guess: her strongest tribal affiliation is 20% with Sephardic Jew”

    After Inquisition, the Sephardi fled to England, Holland, Algeria, Italy, and Norman, Oklahoma.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    A lot of Mestizos in the American SW believe that they are of Marrano (crypto-Jewish) descent because their grandmother lit candles on Friday night or something. These beliefs have the same level of validity as Liz Warren's family legends.
  51. As they say in Halifax, Yorkshire, “less is more”:

    “In homeopathy, a solution that is more dilute is described as having a higher “potency”, and more dilute substances are considered by homeopaths to be stronger and deeper-acting.[93] The end product is often so diluted as to be indistinguishable from the diluent (pure water, sugar or alcohol).[10][94][95] There is also a decimal potency scale (notated as “X” or “D”) in which the preparation is diluted by a factor of 10 at each stage.[96]

    Hahnemann advocated 30C dilutions for most purposes (that is, dilution by a factor of 1060).[9] Hahnemann regularly used potencies up to 300C but opined that “there must be a limit to the matter, it cannot go on indefinitely”.[45]:322

    In Hahnemann’s time, it was reasonable to assume the preparations could be diluted indefinitely, as the concept of the atom or molecule as the smallest possible unit of a chemical substance was just beginning to be recognized.

    The greatest dilution reasonably likely to contain even one molecule of the original substance is 12C”

    Excerpt from the Wikipedia article.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy

  52. Warren’s DNA test came to the following conclusion:

  53. She owes the country an apology. What’s her percentage, 1/1000th?

    Unless Senator Warren is a GMO, the denominator should be a power of 2.

  54. @whorefinder
    Trump has been doing this from day one. His repeated hyperbole is like catnip to left-wing "fact-checkers", who "debunk" his claims, not realizing that (1) most average folks know there's a big difference between a lie and an exaggeration; (2) most Americans cynically expect their politicians to lie, so Trump's exaggerations seem harmless and humorous in comparison; (3) the 'fact-checkers" a're playing on the battlefield Trump has chosen by "fact-checking" him.

    One of Trump's first salvos in this arena was his talk about being worth "$10 Billion." The fact checkers leapt up to discount him, claiming they wanted his tax returns to prove it and there just wasn't anyway he was worth that much. But they all conceded he was very rich, had his own private plane, owned hundreds of millions in real estate world wide, had multiple very-successful businesses, etc. So really the press was just having a public disagreement with Trump on how many billions he had, not whether he had $10 billion.

    Ergo, Trump won; everyone was just arguing about whether Trump was mega-successful or mega-mega successful.

    Conversely, it's why the Holocaust revisionists can't really gain traction with normies. Whether the Nazis murdered 6 million Jews deliberately in death camps or whether they shot/starved/let die only 1 -2 million Jews, it's still millions of Jews the Nazis got rid of deliberately/accidentally-on-purpose. The Jews were massive victims of the Nazis, full stop.

    In short, it's summed up by that old joke.
    Man walks into a bar.
    Man to woman at the bar: "Would you sleep with me for $1 million?"
    Woman (smiling) to man: "We both know you won't give me a $1 million."
    Man: "Ok, about for ten bucks?"
    Woman (angry): "What kind of woman do you think I am?"
    Man: "We've already established what kind of woman you are. Now we're just negotiating."

    “Conversely, it’s why the Holocaust revisionists can’t really gain traction with normies. Whether the Nazis murdered 6 million Jews deliberately in death camps or whether they shot/starved/let die only 1 -2 million Jews, it’s still millions of Jews the Nazis got rid of deliberately/accidentally-on-purpose. The Jews were massive victims of the Nazis, full stop.”

    Interesting point and I agree: but why do the Jews like Deborah Lipstadt, et al so ferociously persecute the revisionists — have them thrown in jail, destroy their careers, etc.? It turns the revisionists into martyrs and makes the Jews look like they are afraid of something.

  55. @Anon
    Being smart can make one arrogant, and arrogance can lead to shutting one's mind. Smartness doesn't give anyone an automatic exemption from being lazy.

    “Being smart can make one arrogant, and arrogance can lead to shutting one’s mind.”

    Case in point, Barack Obama. He seemed to believe that every platitude and banality that popped out of his mouth was the depth of profundity. Those who didn’t swoon were “bitter clingers.”

    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
    The all-knowing German "Besserwisser", consider him to be the most intelligent, eloquent, well-spoken, sophisticated, "statesman" to have ever set foot upon planet mirth.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained Us Army vet, and pro jazz performer.
  56. @Jus' Sayin'...
    Headline: "Elizabeth Warren Starts New 'Get Out the Vote' Campaign for Republican Candidates"

    This woman is mentally defective in truly bizarre and frightening ways.

    Not unlike Hillary in that regard with her “Civility can begin after Democrats take back the House and/or Senate.” For supposedly intelligent people, they sure are stupid.

    • Replies: @Prester John
    Hillary has a history of opening up her fat yap before thinking--going back to that stupid "baking cookies" remark. Her chief weakness as a POTUS candidate was that she had the subtlety of a blacksmith.
  57. @whorefinder
    The leaders of the NAACP might vociferously protest. As would Shaun King.

    More seriously, getting such a movement started ("all claiming to be in such a racial minority must prove it by DNA tests") would likely create the most problems in the black community, where the leaders have been traditionally very-light skinned/ part white/near-passers, while the underlings have always been darker-skinned. The "Light-skinned House servant v. the dark-skinned field hand" is a continuing theme in intra-black politics, now only equaled by the "street cred v. uncle Tom" theme. Being able to accurately measure "black" racial makeup would likely lead to quotas against those lighter-skinned ones who aren't at least 75-90% "real" black.

    (It would also start to show the huge amount of inbreeding in the black American community, but only after a sufficient buildup of data that likely won't be released and hidden from the public or destroyed, if the blacks can get away with it).

    That said, I really don't trust most DNA tests yet in terms of race. I've known people who take them from several different companies, and they get different results. One tests says they're 50% French, another shows only trace French. And, as Cracked.com revealed (perhaps accidentally), the big DNA testing companies always include at least "1-2% black" for everyone, not because it's found, but just to mess with "racists." : http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-2522-inside-shady-world-dna-testing-companies.html

    So they have their fingers on the scale and can't get most of the other numbers right. Yet.

    The only thing true about taking a DNA history test is that you're freely giving your blood to the Feds without a warrant.

    I’ve suspected the same thing as well.

  58. @Johnny Smoggins
    Regular people believe X

    Smart people believe Y

    Really smart people believe X

    Agreed. I’ve often thought that a lot of highly intelligent people engage in a lot of navel-gazing (believe Y) and eventually, if they’re honest, come full circle back to believing X (what regular people instinctively believe from the get-go, because they rely on their common sense). Believing Y is just another form of elitism, a means of differentiating one’s self from the unwashed masses.

    • Replies: @JackOH
    TTSSYF, I'm a longtime observer of my local university and the professorial fauna therein, and---you nailed it. The besetting sins of the academic class are arrogance and laziness---call it navel-gazing, or wool-gathering, or whatever.

    They'll look at some isolated phenomenon, as a f'r instance, conjure up some lengthy point-scoring theoretical explanation, then they discover to their disappointment that the isolated phenomenon they were looking at is just an isolated phenomenon, and won't put their name on the scholarly map.

    God bless our professors, but a lot of what they do is just peregrinating bullshit to protect the salary. Trouble is you need significant expertise to figure out that a professor is slinging the bull.
  59. Very similar to a controversy in the Brexit campaign.

    The pro-EU media thought it was a good idea to constantly berate the Leave campaign for saying we were spending £350 million a week on the EU, whereas the real figure was nearer £280 million. And they *still* haven’t twigged that this is exactly what the official Leave campaign wanted.

    The MSM’s narrow demographics can really hurt them when their theory of mind of the British public is so wrong.

  60. @academic gossip
    Crypsis: is there anything it can't do?

    I think that they must figure that they’ve got enough Jews already and they need some of that diversa-tea, which is the tastiest tea around.
     
    Jeannie Suk looked great when they hired her. She is oddly frumpy now for a high status and once beautiful Korean woman in her 40's. Amy Chua, who was further on the diversity-nepotism minority female hiring spectrum, barely aged and at 50 had a body that would be the envy of women half her age. She is from a visibly high T family which may help.

    She is from a visibly high T family which may help.

    Sounds like you have a theory, which could be interesting.

    • Replies: @academic gossip
    There is a theory, and it involves golf. First a few things about Amy.

    Family pictures show high T facial and bodily features on Chua, her siblings and her parents. Her sister is a Special Olympics athletic champion and Chua seems to be the high metabolism high energy perpetual motion type of achiever.

    The high T helps in keeping muscle high and fat low on arms and legs and the body in general. It probably contributes to Amy's bluntness, ambition and militaristic mothering style. It also makes the arms and legs tighter and more attractive in women as long as they don't take it to the extreme of bodybuilding.

    One summer I was riding in the same vehicle (train, plane, etc) as Chua and her husband, seated across an aisle from them. She was in her 50's and had legs that on a 20 year old would signify exceptional genetics plus strenuous exercise. Venus Williams scaled down to petite Asian dimensions. The rest of her was also nice although less extraordinary, and her face is asymmetric (with zero fat under a solid chin, two signs of high T).

    Amy aside, there's a likely Asian/HBD/golf/pop-culture/testosterone connection here that you might like. My theory is that high T explains K-pop and K-golf and K-riots and some other phenomena seen in Korea. High T plus neoteny is the HBD behind the Kpop export industry of singing dancing girl groups, which relies on a supply of young women with legs that are attractive and muscular (needed for the dancing) compared to those of almost any other nation. Koreans are quite strong compared to other Asians, especially in the arms and legs and especially the women. Surgery to reduce the calf muscle in women is common because there's more there to reduce. I've seen "exceptional lower body strength" used as part of the explanation for the success of Korean women in golf. For similar reasons, the men have done well in boxing and martial arts, and have the best anti-government melee/protests in the world. Both sexes have a reputation for bluntness. Relatively high T seems like a parsimonious one-factor explanation for all this.
  61. @Stephen Paul Foster
    "Being smart can make one arrogant, and arrogance can lead to shutting one’s mind."

    Case in point, Barack Obama. He seemed to believe that every platitude and banality that popped out of his mouth was the depth of profundity. Those who didn't swoon were "bitter clingers."

    The all-knowing German “Besserwisser”, consider him to be the most intelligent, eloquent, well-spoken, sophisticated, “statesman” to have ever set foot upon planet mirth.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained Us Army vet, and pro jazz performer.

  62. @Jack Hanson
    Trump is an absolute master. My goodness.

    “She owes the whole country an apology.”

    Priceless!

  63. @TTSSYF
    Agreed. I've often thought that a lot of highly intelligent people engage in a lot of navel-gazing (believe Y) and eventually, if they're honest, come full circle back to believing X (what regular people instinctively believe from the get-go, because they rely on their common sense). Believing Y is just another form of elitism, a means of differentiating one's self from the unwashed masses.

    TTSSYF, I’m a longtime observer of my local university and the professorial fauna therein, and—you nailed it. The besetting sins of the academic class are arrogance and laziness—call it navel-gazing, or wool-gathering, or whatever.

    They’ll look at some isolated phenomenon, as a f’r instance, conjure up some lengthy point-scoring theoretical explanation, then they discover to their disappointment that the isolated phenomenon they were looking at is just an isolated phenomenon, and won’t put their name on the scholarly map.

    God bless our professors, but a lot of what they do is just peregrinating bullshit to protect the salary. Trouble is you need significant expertise to figure out that a professor is slinging the bull.

    • Replies: @Prester John
    And let's remember that "education" does not necessarily equate to "intelligence."
  64. @NJ Transit Commuter
    Trump is so far inside Warren’s head, I’m surprised the DNA test results didn’t show more Trump genes than Native American genes.

    The only thing more ridiculuous that Warren thinking her recent announcement is beneficial for her Presidential ambitions is the media coverage defending her.

    In my opinion, Trump’s main accomplishment as President has been to show how little our Elites inside the Beltway and in the media understand the average American. The average voter now has a clear view of the mendacity and idioticy of our Ruiling Class.

    The only thing more ridiculuous that Warren thinking her recent announcement is beneficial for her Presidential ambitions is the media coverage defending her.

    Sometimes I wonder if Democrat strategy isn’t controlled by some Republican plant. E.g., who thought that revealing that Kavanaugh got into barroom brawls as a young man was going to hurt him or the GOP? Those downscale white guys who wish the factories would come back are saying to themselves “Well, I was going to vote GOP for the second time in my life, but now that I know Republicans sometimes get into brawls, I’m scurrying back to the Donks. For the safety.”

  65. @Lot
    "Here’s one guess: her strongest tribal affiliation is 20% with Sephardic Jew"

    After Inquisition, the Sephardi fled to England, Holland, Algeria, Italy, and Norman, Oklahoma.

    A lot of Mestizos in the American SW believe that they are of Marrano (crypto-Jewish) descent because their grandmother lit candles on Friday night or something. These beliefs have the same level of validity as Liz Warren’s family legends.

  66. @whorefinder
    Trump has been doing this from day one. His repeated hyperbole is like catnip to left-wing "fact-checkers", who "debunk" his claims, not realizing that (1) most average folks know there's a big difference between a lie and an exaggeration; (2) most Americans cynically expect their politicians to lie, so Trump's exaggerations seem harmless and humorous in comparison; (3) the 'fact-checkers" a're playing on the battlefield Trump has chosen by "fact-checking" him.

    One of Trump's first salvos in this arena was his talk about being worth "$10 Billion." The fact checkers leapt up to discount him, claiming they wanted his tax returns to prove it and there just wasn't anyway he was worth that much. But they all conceded he was very rich, had his own private plane, owned hundreds of millions in real estate world wide, had multiple very-successful businesses, etc. So really the press was just having a public disagreement with Trump on how many billions he had, not whether he had $10 billion.

    Ergo, Trump won; everyone was just arguing about whether Trump was mega-successful or mega-mega successful.

    Conversely, it's why the Holocaust revisionists can't really gain traction with normies. Whether the Nazis murdered 6 million Jews deliberately in death camps or whether they shot/starved/let die only 1 -2 million Jews, it's still millions of Jews the Nazis got rid of deliberately/accidentally-on-purpose. The Jews were massive victims of the Nazis, full stop.

    In short, it's summed up by that old joke.
    Man walks into a bar.
    Man to woman at the bar: "Would you sleep with me for $1 million?"
    Woman (smiling) to man: "We both know you won't give me a $1 million."
    Man: "Ok, about for ten bucks?"
    Woman (angry): "What kind of woman do you think I am?"
    Man: "We've already established what kind of woman you are. Now we're just negotiating."

    The name of that man? Winston Churchill.

  67. @Iberiano
    If you have any Spanish (even from Spain) ancestry whatsoever, you can claim Hispanic, that's federal (OPM) rules in fact.

    If you have any Spanish (even from Spain) ancestry whatsoever, you can claim Hispanic, that’s federal (OPM) rules in fact.

    Hmm … what if you’re a naturalized citizen of Spain? Or a resident?

  68. Where is the “white privilege”? Having a small amount of non-white DNA opens all kinds of doors for you now in America.

    In contrast, the whiter you are, the less privileged you are. Indeed the more hated you are.

    “White Privilege” is the biggest of the many lies of the Left.

  69. This bit about Warren and her “Native American ancestry” is beyond farce and illustrative of the degree of confusion over the issue of race that exists among the progs and their Snowflake allies in the colleges and universities.

  70. @JackOH
    TTSSYF, I'm a longtime observer of my local university and the professorial fauna therein, and---you nailed it. The besetting sins of the academic class are arrogance and laziness---call it navel-gazing, or wool-gathering, or whatever.

    They'll look at some isolated phenomenon, as a f'r instance, conjure up some lengthy point-scoring theoretical explanation, then they discover to their disappointment that the isolated phenomenon they were looking at is just an isolated phenomenon, and won't put their name on the scholarly map.

    God bless our professors, but a lot of what they do is just peregrinating bullshit to protect the salary. Trouble is you need significant expertise to figure out that a professor is slinging the bull.

    And let’s remember that “education” does not necessarily equate to “intelligence.”

  71. @TTSSYF
    Not unlike Hillary in that regard with her "Civility can begin after Democrats take back the House and/or Senate." For supposedly intelligent people, they sure are stupid.

    Hillary has a history of opening up her fat yap before thinking–going back to that stupid “baking cookies” remark. Her chief weakness as a POTUS candidate was that she had the subtlety of a blacksmith.

    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
    " Her chief weakness as a POTUS candidate was that she had the subtlety of a blacksmith".

    Garbage, her chief weakness was that she is a DEMOCRAT and the sonambulant Americans are beginning to wake up to the truth about these underhanded grifters/scumbags.

    And just how do you come to the conclusion that Blacksmiths, are born as "unsubtle"?

    AJM
  72. DJT makes the interviewer look like a fool.

  73. @TheBoom
    I’m surprised the DNA test results didn’t show more Trump genes than Native American genes.

    I think you'll find that more in a test for viruses. Most of the media would likely be found to carry the Trump Derangement Syndrome virus.

    I’m surprised the DNA test results didn’t show more Trump genes than Native American genes.

    I think you’ll find that more in a test for viruses. Most of the media would likely be found to carry the Trump Derangement Syndrome virus.

    Trump Derangement Syndrome as a retrovirus (virus which inserts itself into the host’s DNA). Now there is a funny analogy. Would help explain the efficiency with which it has spread ; ) Are tweets the vector?

  74. @Jack D
    Warren was the one who brought this up and went out and got the special testing (just like Chrissy got her polygraph long before she went public). Warren is getting ready to start her campaign and needs this put to bed. If we were past the primaries, the MSM would just blame Trump for being a racist but I'm not sure that her primary opponents on the Left are going to give her a pass on this.

    The MSM and the Dems seem to think that they can still control the Narrative - print headline "Elizabeth Warren is an Indian" and voila, it's done. I don't think it works that way anymore. Too many people are wise to their shtick now.

    The special testing (venue selection and control of information release) is an interesting wrinkle. Is this a relatively new thing? I don’t recall this tactic being used preemptively so much. (rereading this, there are probably thousands of examples, I am talking frequency)

    • Replies: @Jack D
    I think it is part of the feminization of the Democrat Party. Men are more comfortable with improvisation and life on the frontier but women like a controlled environment. Particularly "high functioning" women like to study and be over-prepared for the test. This showed in the debates where Hillary had memorized answers to every conceivable question complete with wonky statistics on how she would increase benefits offered to malnourished women by 7.2% under the terms of her 17 point "End Hunger in America" program and Trump would just say "I'm going to make America great again".
  75. Maybe she used Cologuard for her DNA test.

  76. @res
    The special testing (venue selection and control of information release) is an interesting wrinkle. Is this a relatively new thing? I don't recall this tactic being used preemptively so much. (rereading this, there are probably thousands of examples, I am talking frequency)

    I think it is part of the feminization of the Democrat Party. Men are more comfortable with improvisation and life on the frontier but women like a controlled environment. Particularly “high functioning” women like to study and be over-prepared for the test. This showed in the debates where Hillary had memorized answers to every conceivable question complete with wonky statistics on how she would increase benefits offered to malnourished women by 7.2% under the terms of her 17 point “End Hunger in America” program and Trump would just say “I’m going to make America great again”.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    I went to an Ivy that had a women's Ivy across the street. There was a joke about the students at the women's Ivy:

    The professor walks into class and says "Good morning" to the students.

    The students write in their notebook "It is a good morning" and then highlight it in yellow.
  77. @Prester John
    Hillary has a history of opening up her fat yap before thinking--going back to that stupid "baking cookies" remark. Her chief weakness as a POTUS candidate was that she had the subtlety of a blacksmith.

    ” Her chief weakness as a POTUS candidate was that she had the subtlety of a blacksmith”.

    Garbage, her chief weakness was that she is a DEMOCRAT and the sonambulant Americans are beginning to wake up to the truth about these underhanded grifters/scumbags.

    And just how do you come to the conclusion that Blacksmiths, are born as “unsubtle”?

    AJM

  78. @Jack D
    I think it is part of the feminization of the Democrat Party. Men are more comfortable with improvisation and life on the frontier but women like a controlled environment. Particularly "high functioning" women like to study and be over-prepared for the test. This showed in the debates where Hillary had memorized answers to every conceivable question complete with wonky statistics on how she would increase benefits offered to malnourished women by 7.2% under the terms of her 17 point "End Hunger in America" program and Trump would just say "I'm going to make America great again".

    I went to an Ivy that had a women’s Ivy across the street. There was a joke about the students at the women’s Ivy:

    The professor walks into class and says “Good morning” to the students.

    The students write in their notebook “It is a good morning” and then highlight it in yellow.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Now they're all women's Ivies.
  79. @Steve Sailer
    She is from a visibly high T family which may help.

    Sounds like you have a theory, which could be interesting.

    There is a theory, and it involves golf. First a few things about Amy.

    Family pictures show high T facial and bodily features on Chua, her siblings and her parents. Her sister is a Special Olympics athletic champion and Chua seems to be the high metabolism high energy perpetual motion type of achiever.

    The high T helps in keeping muscle high and fat low on arms and legs and the body in general. It probably contributes to Amy’s bluntness, ambition and militaristic mothering style. It also makes the arms and legs tighter and more attractive in women as long as they don’t take it to the extreme of bodybuilding.

    One summer I was riding in the same vehicle (train, plane, etc) as Chua and her husband, seated across an aisle from them. She was in her 50’s and had legs that on a 20 year old would signify exceptional genetics plus strenuous exercise. Venus Williams scaled down to petite Asian dimensions. The rest of her was also nice although less extraordinary, and her face is asymmetric (with zero fat under a solid chin, two signs of high T).

    Amy aside, there’s a likely Asian/HBD/golf/pop-culture/testosterone connection here that you might like. My theory is that high T explains K-pop and K-golf and K-riots and some other phenomena seen in Korea. High T plus neoteny is the HBD behind the Kpop export industry of singing dancing girl groups, which relies on a supply of young women with legs that are attractive and muscular (needed for the dancing) compared to those of almost any other nation. Koreans are quite strong compared to other Asians, especially in the arms and legs and especially the women. Surgery to reduce the calf muscle in women is common because there’s more there to reduce. I’ve seen “exceptional lower body strength” used as part of the explanation for the success of Korean women in golf. For similar reasons, the men have done well in boxing and martial arts, and have the best anti-government melee/protests in the world. Both sexes have a reputation for bluntness. Relatively high T seems like a parsimonious one-factor explanation for all this.

    • Agree: Lot, Carbon blob
  80. @whorefinder
    The leaders of the NAACP might vociferously protest. As would Shaun King.

    More seriously, getting such a movement started ("all claiming to be in such a racial minority must prove it by DNA tests") would likely create the most problems in the black community, where the leaders have been traditionally very-light skinned/ part white/near-passers, while the underlings have always been darker-skinned. The "Light-skinned House servant v. the dark-skinned field hand" is a continuing theme in intra-black politics, now only equaled by the "street cred v. uncle Tom" theme. Being able to accurately measure "black" racial makeup would likely lead to quotas against those lighter-skinned ones who aren't at least 75-90% "real" black.

    (It would also start to show the huge amount of inbreeding in the black American community, but only after a sufficient buildup of data that likely won't be released and hidden from the public or destroyed, if the blacks can get away with it).

    That said, I really don't trust most DNA tests yet in terms of race. I've known people who take them from several different companies, and they get different results. One tests says they're 50% French, another shows only trace French. And, as Cracked.com revealed (perhaps accidentally), the big DNA testing companies always include at least "1-2% black" for everyone, not because it's found, but just to mess with "racists." : http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-2522-inside-shady-world-dna-testing-companies.html

    So they have their fingers on the scale and can't get most of the other numbers right. Yet.

    The only thing true about taking a DNA history test is that you're freely giving your blood to the Feds without a warrant.

    Everyone receiving a report from 23& me( who are laughing all the way to the bank on this one) with <.01% African ancestry should claim based on the one drop rule

  81. @NJ Transit Commuter
    Trump is so far inside Warren’s head, I’m surprised the DNA test results didn’t show more Trump genes than Native American genes.

    The only thing more ridiculuous that Warren thinking her recent announcement is beneficial for her Presidential ambitions is the media coverage defending her.

    In my opinion, Trump’s main accomplishment as President has been to show how little our Elites inside the Beltway and in the media understand the average American. The average voter now has a clear view of the mendacity and idioticy of our Ruiling Class.

    It would be astounding if Trump had his DNA analysed and he turned out to have a higher Native American percentage…

  82. Elizabeth Warren is more pure than Ivory Soap!

  83. @Jim Don Bob
    I went to an Ivy that had a women's Ivy across the street. There was a joke about the students at the women's Ivy:

    The professor walks into class and says "Good morning" to the students.

    The students write in their notebook "It is a good morning" and then highlight it in yellow.

    Now they’re all women’s Ivies.

  84. anonymous[404] • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @Iberiano
    If you have any Spanish (even from Spain) ancestry whatsoever, you can claim Hispanic, that's federal (OPM) rules in fact.

    ‘if you have any Spanish (even from Spain) ancestry whatsoever, you can claim Hispanic, that’s federal (OPM) rules in fact.’

    Roger that. Many Spaniards traditionally have this thing that any Iberian/South Italic (if your family connected to Iberia) Peninsula ancestry, no matter how faint, makes you Hispanic, the southern version of Ibero-Celtic-Latin. This is without prejudice to any other identification, since they view it as basically familial. They’re not racists but racialists, including everybody they can in their big Hispanic family. They do distinguish within various levels of race mixture, mestizo and so forth. But DNA has nothing to do with it, since it’s familial. You had an Hispanic ancestor 3000 years ago and are otherwise Chinese, you’re nominally Hispanic. You’re definitely Hispanic if you ‘ostentate’ the title of Hispanic with some familial claim, that is, maintain it aggressively.

    They’ll use the terms Latins (including French, Romanians, nominally UK) or Iberics (the Portuguese) to include other nations as well. They use the term Ibers (Iberos) for nations they say had/has an upper class that’s related, like the Persians, though I’ve mostly heard that distinction from Spanish nobles I’ve met who have some surprising clan connections with all kinds of ethnicities.

  85. @Forbes
    I'm trying to figure out which of the last three media wall-to-wall outrages has the most actual evidence.

    --Kavanaugh
    --Khashoggi
    --Fauxcahontas Liz

    The media has moved from none and can't disprove the denial, to rumor of a murder but no body, to levels below 0.01% of microscopic material.

    I can't wait (yes I can) for the next outrage...

    With all due respect to you and the President, I’m not sure it’s wise for us to get very heavily invested in any the-Saudis-are-innocent narrative. Because they probably aren’t. The Crown Prince is an imbecile, and needs to be put out to pasture.

  86. @whorefinder
    The leaders of the NAACP might vociferously protest. As would Shaun King.

    More seriously, getting such a movement started ("all claiming to be in such a racial minority must prove it by DNA tests") would likely create the most problems in the black community, where the leaders have been traditionally very-light skinned/ part white/near-passers, while the underlings have always been darker-skinned. The "Light-skinned House servant v. the dark-skinned field hand" is a continuing theme in intra-black politics, now only equaled by the "street cred v. uncle Tom" theme. Being able to accurately measure "black" racial makeup would likely lead to quotas against those lighter-skinned ones who aren't at least 75-90% "real" black.

    (It would also start to show the huge amount of inbreeding in the black American community, but only after a sufficient buildup of data that likely won't be released and hidden from the public or destroyed, if the blacks can get away with it).

    That said, I really don't trust most DNA tests yet in terms of race. I've known people who take them from several different companies, and they get different results. One tests says they're 50% French, another shows only trace French. And, as Cracked.com revealed (perhaps accidentally), the big DNA testing companies always include at least "1-2% black" for everyone, not because it's found, but just to mess with "racists." : http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-2522-inside-shady-world-dna-testing-companies.html

    So they have their fingers on the scale and can't get most of the other numbers right. Yet.

    The only thing true about taking a DNA history test is that you're freely giving your blood to the Feds without a warrant.

    And yet, pretty much all of my near family on 23andme are pretty much 100% European, without even a fraction of a percent of subsaharan African. How can this be if there’s such a grand conspiracy?

  87. @Achmed E. Newman
    I'm with Whiskey on this: Flood the zone. (and I don't even care about basketball.)

    I don't mean just the American Indian quotas. Put in for anything, change your names, get some DNA sampled, every single male white applicant to college or a job. Put this AA garbage down for good!

    Something tells me Elizabeth Warren’s name was already inked in for that Harvard Professorship, and the NA ancestry eligibility just gave their inevitable selection that figleaf of credibility.

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