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From The Hindu:

Half of India-Bangladesh border fenced
Shiv Sahay Singh KOLKATA, MARCH 03, 2017 00:48 IST

Half of the 4,096-km border India shares with Bangladesh has been fenced. Land acquisition is a major challenge to completing the work by the 2019 deadline.

… The aim of the project is to curb infiltration and smuggling of cattle and fake Indian currency notes….

Another important issue in West Bengal is that a large part of the border is riverine: rivers running along the border serve as the border. For instance, 70 km of the south Bengal frontier — from South 24 Parganas to Malda — is riverine. “Where fence is not possible, we are going in for technological solutions such as cameras and lasers,” Mr. Singh said.

All prime minister Modi is asking for is sharks in the river with cameras and laser beams on their heads. Is that too much to ask?

 
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  1. The real aim of the project is to try and stem the inevitable flood of Bangladeshis into India as the land keeps shrinking. It’ll come, and the only way it’ll be pseudo-halted is if the border guards are willing to shoot. Even though Bangladesh has done an admirable job of getting birth rates down, the demographic momentum is still there, and you’ve already got more people than Russia in an area the size of Louisiana. India already has millions of illegal immigrants from Bangladesh, and in a province-West Bengal-that really does not need them, both for economic reasons and because of the fear of communal violence. (The specter of the Chinese funded Naxalites don’t help matters.) The Indian elite, unlike our rulers, are under few illusions about what happens if you don’t quarantine off dysfunctional (and in their case, increasingly Islamism infested) neighbors.

    As for us? Trump should use this as a spade to beat the media with, ASAP.

    • Agree: NickG
    • Replies: @ATX Hipster

    The specter of the Chinese funded Naxalites don’t help matters
     
    Has that actually been proven? I've seen speculation and of course it would make sense, but I haven't seen anything about any smoking guns.

    A professor I had once spoke in very idealistic terms about the Naxalites, the way leftists in the U.S. might romanticize Che or Stalin. He seemed disappointed when a student who was a more recent arrival from India told him that they're broadly reviled as thugs since they use extortion and literal highway robbery of civilians as a primary source of funds.
    , @namae nanka
    "millions of illegal immigrants from Bangladesh, and in a province-West Bengal-that really does not need them"

    Your use of province is quite apropos even though West Bengal is a state. Current Bangladesh(then East Pakistan) was formed out of East Bengal after the partition when India became independent, which in turn was carved out of Bengal under the British rule along religious lines.

    The country of Bangladesh came to be after the 1971 war between Indian and Pakistan which was decisively won by India,

    After the resignations of Admiral S.M. Ahsan and Lieutenant-General Yaqub Ali Khan, the media correspondents began airing reports of Pakistani military's widespread genocide against their Bengali citizens,[60] that was particularly aimed at the minority Bengali Hindu population
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Pakistani_War_of_1971

    As for Trump,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIioUpF3Btc
    , @Johann Ricke

    As for us? Trump should use this as a spade to beat the media with, ASAP.
     
    It's not as if liberals could say "Why are you mining the primitive brains of the benighted heathen in Hindoostan for ideas?"
  2. shark-mounted laser weapons are clearly the best solution

    • Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    Tigers living in the Sundarbans, a vast mangrove forest at the mouth of the Ganges on the border of India and Bangla Desh, are prone to eat human interlopers in their territory. Recruit patriotic Indian tigers to chow down illegal Moslem invaders.
  3. Modi better get on top of this fast — the Rohingya are on their way.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Don't worry.

    The wooden-headed dumb trash fools who run the EU will *invite* the totality of the Rohingya to Europe.

    Thank God for Brexit.
  4. Half of the 4,096-km border India shares with Bangladesh has been fenced… The aim of the project is to curb infiltration and smuggling of cattle and fake Indian currency notes….

    Wait a minute… I thought that “diversity is our greatest strength.” Wouldn’t Hindu India be made so much better and stronger by allowing Muslim Bangladeshi criminals to illegally sneak into their country? Come on, now… time to cut off all foreign aid to punish India, ya think?

    • Replies: @Pericles

    Come on, now… time to cut off all foreign aid to punish India, ya think?

     

    Or cancel their visas.
  5. It’s worth posting this fact about the Indian-Bangladeshi border so White Americans have a bit of “news you can use” but no one should hope to win an argument against a South Asian with this fact. An aversion to double standards is a White thing. Everyone has trouble conceding a point or admitting being a hypocrite but some civilizations don’t even try.

    • Agree: Perspective
  6. Anon • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Bedpans vs Tombstones.

    We are told that as white folks grow older(often without any kids), they’ll need foreigners to come and work in hospitals and nursing homes to take care of aging/dying white folks and change their bedpans. So, aging white folks need young non-whites to take care of them.

    Now, there may be some economic rationale behind this.

    But this sounds like a totally gutless, soulless, and culture-less society.

    EVEN IF these non-whites do work at nursing-home jobs and take care of old white folks, it is ONLY FOR MONEY, not out of any kind of love. The fact is they don’t care and when they old folks die, their attitude will be Good Riddance. And they will never ever visit the graves and tombstones of these dead white folks.

    Unless white folks have white kids and white grandkids, their death will purely be material. They will be living matter turned into dead matter and once gotten rid of, no one will care.
    In contrast, with kids and grandkids, there are visits to cemeteries. And that is the essence of culture and humanity. Animals have no sense of heritage, ancestry, or history. Humans do.

    So, even if these newcomers will come to take care of white folks, they will feel NOTHING for them when they die. They will never visit the graves and place flowers on them.

    There was a time when culture was measured and valued in terms of how future generations will remember the dead ones. Now, it’s all about the NOW. Consume trash, be happy. Narcissism and Nihilism over Nationalism and Humanism. And as people age, just hope that some Filipino, Negro, or Arab will change your bedpans. And if you die, who cares? Just dead matter to be gotten rid of.

    This film STILL WALKING ends with the family visiting the tombs. Would any nursing home employee do that? Or care?

    As US fills up with ‘diversity'(which should be called MORE DIVERSITY), there is a serious disconnect between white heritage and newcomers. Newcomers feel NOTHING when they see white cultural heritage. (They used to somewhat when US had been Eurocentric. But the kids of new colonizers are told to hate whitey.)
    But then, even white folks don’t care as their main culture is ephemeral but narcotic Pop Culture and their values are set in PC that says ‘feel shame for whiteness’.

    If people tried to remove MLK statue or some Jewish monument, there would be a huge outcry. But there is silence as another Robert Lee monument is taken down.

    This is a soul-sick nation.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41284464

    • Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    The assumption is that working age third worlders will pay high taxes so that a bunch of old gringos can live it up in their old age, the way the Greatest Generation did. Don't count on it. Social Security and Medicare are Ponzi schemes.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    Without seeking to disagree with your lament about modern First World breeding habits (my way of putting that aspect of your case) I must point to weakness in your argument. If Thirld World carers are immigrating for the money it is absurd to say that they won't care about the sources of their income dying. But you don't in fact seem to have a reality based view of human interaction. Many carers have a simple natural instinct to be nice to the weak regardless of whether they could relate like old school friends. Just think of many people's softheaded affection and care for animals. Loving and giving care is rewarding to many. Natural selection took care of that. (Think too of the genuine affection of black nannies' for white children in the South).

    Moreover the observation about visiting the graves and tombstones of white folk is surely a primitive hangover of no significance to generations who will increasingly behave with the sophistication of those who already scatter the ashes of their dead - if they haven't been given to medicine for translants or anatomy - and, if they create anything to memorialise the dead beyond family photos, letters and DVDs, do so with memorial lectures, prizes and scholarships or a charitable trust in their names.
    , @bomag

    there may be some economic rationale behind this
     
    Not much. I can think of ten better ways to care for the aged besides importing caregivers, starting with tapping the non-participating labor force, then moving on to those with do-nothing jobs pushing paper.

    But this is another example of people advocating for immigration uber alles. As with ag workers, we are "needing" on the order of a couple thousand a year to meet the need, but we are importing a million people a year to consume toilet paper and all the other not-needed things they do.

    This has taken on religious overtones, with immigrants as sacred totems one collects and burnishes to secure a place in Heaven.
  7. Also meanwhile in India, something that will likely delay Professor Mehta’s migrant dream of Westerners flocking there.

  8. People counterfit Rupees?!

  9. OT,

    The Current Year strikes again:

    • Replies: @candid_observer
    On the other hand, you know, maybe this was Newton's real secret to his theory of gravity: he saw the parabola.
    , @candid_observer
    Not sure what happened to the twitter link, but here's the link to the paper:

    https://www.tes.com/news/school-news/breaking-views/taking-pee-out-physics-how-boys-are-getting-a-leg
  10. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    In the interest of honesty, Steve, you should make clear that Suketu Mehta hates Modi’s Hindu nationalist party.

    The fencing is being done because Hindu nationalists want to keep Bangladeshi Muslims out of India.

    India has open borders, no visa required arrangements with Nepal and Bhutan, which have Hindu and Buddhist majorities respectively. For citizens of Pakistan and Bangladesh, visiting India requires visas, and the process of obtaining one can be quite arduous.

    The interesting thing here is that Bangladesh and Pakistan were part of British India, while Nepal and Bhutan were not. One would think if any country had open borders with India, it would be the ones that were literally the same country a few decades ago.

    It’s all about keeping Muslims out.

    • Replies: @Jimi
    No country has been better off with a Muslim population, Muslim countries included.
    , @DB Cooper
    "India has open borders, no visa required arrangements with Nepal and Bhutan, which have Hindu and Buddhist majorities respectively."

    The reason India has open borders with these countries is because India has territorial design on these two countries. India once had open border arrangement with Sikkim (a small Himalayan Buddhist country even smaller than Bhutan) too before India annexed it in 1975. Nepal and Bhutan definitely does not like the no visa required arrangements but are unable to say no because India has a strangle hold on these two countries.

    The world at large may not notice but India made another attempt to annex Bhutan just a few months ago but failed. Check out this blog by a Bhutanese on what is going on between India and Bhutan.

    http://wangchasangey.blogspot.com/2017/08/doklam-is-free-from-trespassers-may.html
  11. @candid_observer
    OT,

    The Current Year strikes again:

    https://twitter.com/TheSafestSpace/status/908742539246792704

    On the other hand, you know, maybe this was Newton’s real secret to his theory of gravity: he saw the parabola.

  12. @candid_observer
    OT,

    The Current Year strikes again:

    https://twitter.com/TheSafestSpace/status/908742539246792704

    Not sure what happened to the twitter link, but here’s the link to the paper:

    https://www.tes.com/news/school-news/breaking-views/taking-pee-out-physics-how-boys-are-getting-a-leg

    • LOL: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @ATX Hipster
    That article gave me cancer.

    Shouldn't blacks dominate physics in America? They do pretty well for themselves at ball sports.
  13. More from the article:

    Opposition party leaders expressed their views on the border fence.

    Objecting to the fence, Jawaharlal Bush of the Global Bankers Party lectured the public that “family values don’t stop at the Padma River.” His brother Nehru Bush added that attempts to infiltrate the border into India should be looked upon as “acts of love.”

    In a lucrative leaked secret speech to lobbyists, Hillary Rodham Gandhi of the Baksheesh Party promised that if she ever gained power she would remove the fence and implement a borderless common market from the Persian Gulf to the South China Sea. Mrs. Gandhi blamed the leak of the speech on Macedonian content farmers and demanded that the media remove any references to the speech from their reporting. [note to editor: please remove this paragraph in future editions]

    Barack Hussein Mohammed of the Islamic Socialist People’s Party called the fence an insult to Islam, intimating darkly that “the future does not belong to those who slander the Prophet of Islam.” He further suggested that India does not have the moral authority to construct a border fence, citing atrocities against Muslim forces which occurred during the 12th Century C.E. Battles of Tarain.

    “A fence is not who we are,” protested Paul Ryanujan of the Donors Party. “I am in favor of strong border security,” he continued, “but not something like a fence or anything else that might hinder cheap workers from easily crossing the border at will.”

    • LOL: bomag
    • Replies: @Pericles
    Applause -
  14. Lasers like Dr Goldfinger had? Hopefully, and 100x more powerful than the crappy jive old type he had.

    “No, Mr. Bond. I Expect You To Die!”

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    Lasers like in Austin Powers in Goldmember.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh5Lh-tTSZQ

  15. Has Steve heard about the presidential election in Singapore? Like Nigeria now they alternate between ethnicities with this years election being the first to be explicitly to be contested by candidates of one particular ethnicity. This year was the turn for ethnic Malays and every candidate but one was not found to be eligible and so the hijab-wearing Halimah Yacob won by default. This is in partly due to the low social and political prominence of Malays and so a thin field of candidates and partly due to a seemingly arbitrary set of criteria and the authorities just not approving some people for reasons unknown. Though going through past elections this might not be so uncommon with many of them being ‘uncontested’ come election day.

    The issue seems to be the exclusion of anyone but ethnic Malays rather than the government simply choosing the victor through eliminating other candidates which seems to have happened in the past.

    One could be eligible by coming from different kinds of prominent positions.

    Interestingly one avenue one could become eligible through being the CEO of a sufficiently large corporation. One man lost out by having lied about the size of it’s holdings.

    Specifically, the amendment states that an election will be reserved for candidates from a particular racial group if the previous five elections have not produced a president from that racial group. In Singapore, it’s dubbed a “hiatus-triggered model.”

    “Every citizen, Chinese, Malay, Indian or some other race, should know that someone of his community can become President, and in fact from time to time, does become President,” said Lee Hsien Loong, Singapore’s prime minister, last November before the new rule was introduced.

    Singapore hasn’t had a Malay president since the country’s first President Yusof Ishak, who served as head of state from 1965 to 1970. Subsequent presidents have been from the Eurasian, Chinese and Indian communities.

    Diversity is strength, it’s also rigging elections to ensure racial peace. Ironically this is one instance where Nigeria does a better job at making something subtle rather than vulgar.

    It looks as if the resentment from mainly ethnic Han to this is significant. Increasing pressure and inequality along with heavy immigration pressure and PRCers buying up property has made people very unhappy. The last justification to this from the system was ‘stop whining, you get what you’re worth, everything is a meritocracy!’, things like this seem to be a slap in the face of this.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Is the presidential post mainly honorary in Singapore?
    , @Triumph104
    My guess is that this is being done to placate the government of Malaysia and prevent ethnic Chinese citizens of Malaysia from receiving any backlash.

    Foreigners should stay out of Singapore's Speakers' Corner.


    Public Demonstrations: Public demonstrations are legal only at Speakers’ Corner in Hong Lim Park and most outdoor public assemblies require a police permit. Singapore amended its laws in April 2017 to forbid foreign nationals who are not permanent residents from observing permitted public demonstrations, assemblies, and processions at Speakers’ Corner. The law does not distinguish between participants and observers, so anyone at Speakers’ Corner could be considered part of an event. Penalties may be severe, including large fines and/or imprisonment.
     
    https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/country/singapore.html
    , @AnotherDad

    Diversity is strength, it’s also rigging elections to ensure racial peace. Ironically this is one instance where Nigeria does a better job at making something subtle rather than vulgar.
     
    "Diversity" and "Multiculturalism" are fundamentally incompatible with freedom, democracy, representative government, meritocracy, various Anglo-Saxon notions of fundamental liberty.

    There has never been any nation or state that was truly multicultural that had those things. You either have a ethnicity and cultural that is overwhelmingly and confidently dominant and expect minorities to accept it--as in the old WASP run USA I was born into--or you go "multicultural" and hence require authoritarian measures to try and manage conflict.

    Lee Kuan Yew's experience round tripping through Malaysia taught him about the nature of ethnicity and politics. I've read some of his stuff and it boils down to "don't do it! ... it will blow you up!" Once you have actual competitive ethnic diversity then all politics becomes ethnic politics. (Lee says it better.)

    As I understand the situation, Singapore's Chinese majority (75%) is financially, culturally and politically dominant. Lee's PAP (People's Action Party) has never lost an election. And is committed to keeping the wheel's greased for economic growth and continued social peace. So it believes in meritocracy and in multiculturalism. It doles out the favors and whacks anyone on the head who is causing trouble including stirring up ethnic tension.

    The one thing they haven't been able to solve however is the fertility issue. The whole place is urbanized and has sub-replacement fertility, with the ethnic Chinese the "sub-est" of all--near 1. Lee's various propaganda campaigns to fix that have all been failures and kind of a joke. The Indians also have low fertility and even the Malays are below replacement, but considerably higher. The carefully screen permanent residents and presumably--I don't see what else they can do--attempt to balance the immigrants to make up the gaps in fertility. But even Chinese from the PRC will be culturally distinct from the Peranakan--Chinese who've been around the straights, Java, Malay peninsula for generations, in some cases centuries.

    And Singapore's Chinese must manage this whole dance with an eye toward not alienating Malaysia where their co-ethnics are economically dominant but a clear minority.

    "Diversity" is always a mess. Singapore doesn't appear to be run by virtue signaling fools--like the West! So I think they are doing what they are doing to manage it reasonably.
  16. @Altai
    Has Steve heard about the presidential election in Singapore? Like Nigeria now they alternate between ethnicities with this years election being the first to be explicitly to be contested by candidates of one particular ethnicity. This year was the turn for ethnic Malays and every candidate but one was not found to be eligible and so the hijab-wearing Halimah Yacob won by default. This is in partly due to the low social and political prominence of Malays and so a thin field of candidates and partly due to a seemingly arbitrary set of criteria and the authorities just not approving some people for reasons unknown. Though going through past elections this might not be so uncommon with many of them being 'uncontested' come election day.

    The issue seems to be the exclusion of anyone but ethnic Malays rather than the government simply choosing the victor through eliminating other candidates which seems to have happened in the past.

    One could be eligible by coming from different kinds of prominent positions.

    Interestingly one avenue one could become eligible through being the CEO of a sufficiently large corporation. One man lost out by having lied about the size of it's holdings.


    Specifically, the amendment states that an election will be reserved for candidates from a particular racial group if the previous five elections have not produced a president from that racial group. In Singapore, it's dubbed a "hiatus-triggered model."

    "Every citizen, Chinese, Malay, Indian or some other race, should know that someone of his community can become President, and in fact from time to time, does become President," said Lee Hsien Loong, Singapore's prime minister, last November before the new rule was introduced.

    Singapore hasn't had a Malay president since the country's first President Yusof Ishak, who served as head of state from 1965 to 1970. Subsequent presidents have been from the Eurasian, Chinese and Indian communities.
     

    Diversity is strength, it's also rigging elections to ensure racial peace. Ironically this is one instance where Nigeria does a better job at making something subtle rather than vulgar.

    It looks as if the resentment from mainly ethnic Han to this is significant. Increasing pressure and inequality along with heavy immigration pressure and PRCers buying up property has made people very unhappy. The last justification to this from the system was 'stop whining, you get what you're worth, everything is a meritocracy!', things like this seem to be a slap in the face of this.

    Is the presidential post mainly honorary in Singapore?

    • Replies: @Jason Liu
    Yes. Halimah Yacob will have not have much real power.

    The Lee family still controls Singapore, although their grip is slipping due to idealistic youth/late-stage democracy.
    , @Altai
    Yes, I suspect that is why nobody cared in the past. But it seems like the pressure (And, perhaps resentment towards Malays who obviously cast outsized demands on society as a result of the their faith in the age of the Islamic revival are likely to be the weak link in Singapore) is causing people to be quite angry at the bold-faced abandonment of even the pretence at 'meritocracy' in order to try to quell racial tensions from Malays at their low social status. It's all symbolic, but symbols are the things revolutions are made from.
  17. @Anon
    India's influence on democracy.

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/book-banning-brings-indias-hindu-extremism-into-plain-view/article17020690/?arc404=true

    Hindutva nationalists are quite impressive indeed.

  18. @Anonymous
    In the interest of honesty, Steve, you should make clear that Suketu Mehta hates Modi's Hindu nationalist party.

    The fencing is being done because Hindu nationalists want to keep Bangladeshi Muslims out of India.

    India has open borders, no visa required arrangements with Nepal and Bhutan, which have Hindu and Buddhist majorities respectively. For citizens of Pakistan and Bangladesh, visiting India requires visas, and the process of obtaining one can be quite arduous.

    The interesting thing here is that Bangladesh and Pakistan were part of British India, while Nepal and Bhutan were not. One would think if any country had open borders with India, it would be the ones that were literally the same country a few decades ago.

    It's all about keeping Muslims out.

    No country has been better off with a Muslim population, Muslim countries included.

  19. @Steve Sailer
    Is the presidential post mainly honorary in Singapore?

    Yes. Halimah Yacob will have not have much real power.

    The Lee family still controls Singapore, although their grip is slipping due to idealistic youth/late-stage democracy.

    • Replies: @Escher
    Yup. The current Prime Minister Lee's son made a public statement on Facebook (where else) recently that he has no interest in politics. Will be interesting to see if any of his siblings or cousins step up to the plate in the next few years.
  20. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    That’s now at least THREE countries that I know of (there may be more for all I know)–the other two being Hungary and- Yahweh be blessed!- Yisroel–who either have or are putting up fences. Ahh, but not the Yoo Ess of Aaay though.

    Then again didn’t the Chinese under their first Emperor put up a wall “back in the day?” To keep out barbarians? Ditto the Romans in Albion under Hadrian? To keep out the Picts and Scots?

    Invade/invite!

    • Replies: @Anon 2
    Lots of countries with fences, e.g., Bulgaria
    and Lithuania in Europe, and several in Africa.
    Wikipedia has a list under Border Barrier
    , @PiltdownMan

    That’s now at least THREE countries that I know of (there may be more for all I know)
     
    There are dozens.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3205724/How-65-countries-erected-security-walls-borders.html

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_barrier
  21. Getting back a few days to iSteve chat room claims that America hasn’t won any wars since 1945, here’s a 4:40 minute video in which Prof. Victor Davis Hanson answers the question, Why Did America Fight the Vietnam War??

    I agree with Hanson that the Vietnam war was won in 1973, but victory was was undone because President Nixon was driven from office. Usually, V. D. Hanson is not to my taste, but I agree with him here.

    Being a respectable gentleman, Prof. Hanson doesn’t explore who was being the plot to ruin Richard Nixon. Nixon was sort of the original D. Trump minus D. T.’s personal wealth and showmanship, but with the same domestic enemies.

    Note: I first saw this link at instapundit.com’s A REVIEW OF KEN BURN’S VIETNAM PBS SERIES.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    I disagree. Short of us being willing to protect South Vietnam like South Korea-and by 1973, that was beyond off the table-Saigon's fate was sealed. The people in charge in Hanoi had been fighting for decades. They were willing to wait a couple more years.
  22. Anonymous [AKA "Pinko"] says:

    Speaking of Bangladeshis, I’m playing a microscopic violin for those being “presecuted” in Burma.

    Guess the Burmese don’t want to go the way of the Buddishts of Afghanistan.

  23. “All prime minister Modi is asking for is sharks in the river with cameras and laser beams on their heads.”

    Dr. Evil is still relevant.

  24. @Anonymous
    In the interest of honesty, Steve, you should make clear that Suketu Mehta hates Modi's Hindu nationalist party.

    The fencing is being done because Hindu nationalists want to keep Bangladeshi Muslims out of India.

    India has open borders, no visa required arrangements with Nepal and Bhutan, which have Hindu and Buddhist majorities respectively. For citizens of Pakistan and Bangladesh, visiting India requires visas, and the process of obtaining one can be quite arduous.

    The interesting thing here is that Bangladesh and Pakistan were part of British India, while Nepal and Bhutan were not. One would think if any country had open borders with India, it would be the ones that were literally the same country a few decades ago.

    It's all about keeping Muslims out.

    “India has open borders, no visa required arrangements with Nepal and Bhutan, which have Hindu and Buddhist majorities respectively.”

    The reason India has open borders with these countries is because India has territorial design on these two countries. India once had open border arrangement with Sikkim (a small Himalayan Buddhist country even smaller than Bhutan) too before India annexed it in 1975. Nepal and Bhutan definitely does not like the no visa required arrangements but are unable to say no because India has a strangle hold on these two countries.

    The world at large may not notice but India made another attempt to annex Bhutan just a few months ago but failed. Check out this blog by a Bhutanese on what is going on between India and Bhutan.

    http://wangchasangey.blogspot.com/2017/08/doklam-is-free-from-trespassers-may.html

  25. @nebulafox
    The real aim of the project is to try and stem the inevitable flood of Bangladeshis into India as the land keeps shrinking. It'll come, and the only way it'll be pseudo-halted is if the border guards are willing to shoot. Even though Bangladesh has done an admirable job of getting birth rates down, the demographic momentum is still there, and you've already got more people than Russia in an area the size of Louisiana. India already has millions of illegal immigrants from Bangladesh, and in a province-West Bengal-that really does not need them, both for economic reasons and because of the fear of communal violence. (The specter of the Chinese funded Naxalites don't help matters.) The Indian elite, unlike our rulers, are under few illusions about what happens if you don't quarantine off dysfunctional (and in their case, increasingly Islamism infested) neighbors.

    As for us? Trump should use this as a spade to beat the media with, ASAP.

    The specter of the Chinese funded Naxalites don’t help matters

    Has that actually been proven? I’ve seen speculation and of course it would make sense, but I haven’t seen anything about any smoking guns.

    A professor I had once spoke in very idealistic terms about the Naxalites, the way leftists in the U.S. might romanticize Che or Stalin. He seemed disappointed when a student who was a more recent arrival from India told him that they’re broadly reviled as thugs since they use extortion and literal highway robbery of civilians as a primary source of funds.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    Well, it's an explicitly Maoist party that was formed at the height of the Cultural Revolution, so it shouldn't be too shocking. Top Naxalite leaders still to this day take refuge in China, and most of the Naxalite's weapons come from China via Nepal, which has its own very well organized Maoists. I'm willing to post links if you want. It's pretty much the sole existing holdover of what we might loosely term China's "Trotskyite" phase in foreign policy. Even during the final days of Mao's regime, China rapidly began to reassess its foreign policy: supporting Mobutu and the US against the USSR being one example.

    One of the first things Deng Xiaoping-with Lee Kwan Yew's encouragement-did in power was to cease support for left-wing insurgencies. This Deng did... except for this one. At the time, India's close alignment with the USSR meant that we didn't raise too much of a fuss, considering how helpful the Chinese were being with close-by Afghanistan in the 1980s. And yes, they aren't popular. Ever since capitalism took off and starting really improving the lot of tens of millions of Indians, combined with the unpopular specter of Beijing and typically heavy-handed Communist tactics as you alluded to, Naxalism's stock has rapidly declined with the Indian public. However, they are still a threat, particularly in West Bengal, which has traditionally been a strong bastion of leftism. Even though India got the more prosperous part of Bengal relative to Bangladesh, it's still a pretty poor place. One of many reasons why, again, New Delhi *really* does not want tens of millions of impoverished Bangladeshis swamping them.

    Fun side-story: one of the reasons Richard Nixon didn't trust Indira Gandhi was because although she publicly advocated the typical Fabian socialist position of the day for US operations in Vietnam, privately, she strongly encouraged America to stay and fight it out, or at least not leave Vietnam too quickly. The reason: the Naxalites. Like every other leader in the region, she was worried about an Indochina dominated by Hanoi becoming a launching pad for upping the insurgencies in their own countries. However, to be fair to her, this was at the height of the Cultural Revolution, when China was scaring the crap out of everybody, including North Korea and the USSR. Things changed immensely over the coming decade as Vietnam and China fell out.

  26. @Jason Liu
    Yes. Halimah Yacob will have not have much real power.

    The Lee family still controls Singapore, although their grip is slipping due to idealistic youth/late-stage democracy.

    Yup. The current Prime Minister Lee’s son made a public statement on Facebook (where else) recently that he has no interest in politics. Will be interesting to see if any of his siblings or cousins step up to the plate in the next few years.

  27. @Steve Sailer
    Is the presidential post mainly honorary in Singapore?

    Yes, I suspect that is why nobody cared in the past. But it seems like the pressure (And, perhaps resentment towards Malays who obviously cast outsized demands on society as a result of the their faith in the age of the Islamic revival are likely to be the weak link in Singapore) is causing people to be quite angry at the bold-faced abandonment of even the pretence at ‘meritocracy’ in order to try to quell racial tensions from Malays at their low social status. It’s all symbolic, but symbols are the things revolutions are made from.

    • Replies: @Karl
    28 Altai > Malays who obviously cast outsized demands on society as a result of the their faith in the age of the Islamic revival are likely to be the weak link in Singapore) is causing people to be quite angry at the bold-faced abandonment of even the pretence at ‘meritocracy’ in order to try to quell racial tensions from Malays


    Malay boys have the highest rate of volunteering for the conscript-police, because it gives them a few extra points later on in applying for a civil service job as a cop.

    I don't think Altai has sent much time wandering around hawker centres in Woodlands or Yishun or Sembawang.

    Singapore Malays are a rather narcotized demographic. Perhaps because they only have to look across the river into Malaysia itself (many Singaporeans drive or bus into Johor Bahru for a day of inexpensive shopping at the drop of a hat) to see what a Malay-operated country ends up becoming.
  28. Dr. Evil: You know, I have one simple request. And that is to have sharks with frickin’ laser beams attached to their heads! Now evidently my cycloptic colleague informs me that that cannot be done. Ah, would you remind me what I pay you people for, honestly? Throw me a bone here! What do we have?
    Number Two: Sea Bass.
    Dr. Evil: [pause] Right.
    Number Two: They’re mutated sea bass.
    Dr. Evil: Are they ill tempered?
    Number Two: Absolutely.
    Dr. Evil: Oh well, that’s a start.

  29. @candid_observer
    Not sure what happened to the twitter link, but here's the link to the paper:

    https://www.tes.com/news/school-news/breaking-views/taking-pee-out-physics-how-boys-are-getting-a-leg

    That article gave me cancer.

    Shouldn’t blacks dominate physics in America? They do pretty well for themselves at ball sports.

  30. @Anon
    Bedpans vs Tombstones.

    We are told that as white folks grow older(often without any kids), they'll need foreigners to come and work in hospitals and nursing homes to take care of aging/dying white folks and change their bedpans. So, aging white folks need young non-whites to take care of them.

    Now, there may be some economic rationale behind this.

    But this sounds like a totally gutless, soulless, and culture-less society.

    EVEN IF these non-whites do work at nursing-home jobs and take care of old white folks, it is ONLY FOR MONEY, not out of any kind of love. The fact is they don't care and when they old folks die, their attitude will be Good Riddance. And they will never ever visit the graves and tombstones of these dead white folks.

    Unless white folks have white kids and white grandkids, their death will purely be material. They will be living matter turned into dead matter and once gotten rid of, no one will care.
    In contrast, with kids and grandkids, there are visits to cemeteries. And that is the essence of culture and humanity. Animals have no sense of heritage, ancestry, or history. Humans do.

    So, even if these newcomers will come to take care of white folks, they will feel NOTHING for them when they die. They will never visit the graves and place flowers on them.

    There was a time when culture was measured and valued in terms of how future generations will remember the dead ones. Now, it's all about the NOW. Consume trash, be happy. Narcissism and Nihilism over Nationalism and Humanism. And as people age, just hope that some Filipino, Negro, or Arab will change your bedpans. And if you die, who cares? Just dead matter to be gotten rid of.

    This film STILL WALKING ends with the family visiting the tombs. Would any nursing home employee do that? Or care?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id7tXouypEE

    As US fills up with 'diversity'(which should be called MORE DIVERSITY), there is a serious disconnect between white heritage and newcomers. Newcomers feel NOTHING when they see white cultural heritage. (They used to somewhat when US had been Eurocentric. But the kids of new colonizers are told to hate whitey.)
    But then, even white folks don't care as their main culture is ephemeral but narcotic Pop Culture and their values are set in PC that says 'feel shame for whiteness'.

    If people tried to remove MLK statue or some Jewish monument, there would be a huge outcry. But there is silence as another Robert Lee monument is taken down.

    This is a soul-sick nation.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41284464

    The assumption is that working age third worlders will pay high taxes so that a bunch of old gringos can live it up in their old age, the way the Greatest Generation did. Don’t count on it. Social Security and Medicare are Ponzi schemes.

  31. @notanon
    shark-mounted laser weapons are clearly the best solution

    Tigers living in the Sundarbans, a vast mangrove forest at the mouth of the Ganges on the border of India and Bangla Desh, are prone to eat human interlopers in their territory. Recruit patriotic Indian tigers to chow down illegal Moslem invaders.

    • Replies: @anonguy

    Tigers living in the Sundarbans, a vast mangrove forest at the mouth of the Ganges on the border of India and Bangla Desh, are prone to eat human interlopers in their territory.
     
    The tigers of the Sundarbans are interesting. Apparently, they swim and attack fishermen in their boats.
  32. Sharks need cleaner water than you’re likely to find in those parts. Crocodiles and hippos make effective border control deputies in parts of Africa.
    Walls are so much more effective. The point of the wall is that no one needs to be engaged; no one needs to be arrested, no one needs to be ‘processed’. This is how buildings work.
    Ultimately, more cost effective solutions will include killbots, which would provide a lethal yet morally-neutral barrier, sort of like an electrified fence with fewer vulnerabilities.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910

    Sharks need cleaner water than you’re likely to find in those parts.
     
    River dolphins with frickin’ laser beams attached to their heads would work, but it doesn't have quite the same menacing ring.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Asian_river_dolphin
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indus_river_dolphin

  33. I have read a few articles about Canadians being unhappy with illegal immigrants fleeing America for the Great White North. Maybe Canada fences off America. Sharks in the Great Lakes, the Niagara river and the St. Lawrence will provide great sport fishing.

  34. @Clyde
    Lasers like Dr Goldfinger had? Hopefully, and 100x more powerful than the crappy jive old type he had.

    "No, Mr. Bond. I Expect You To Die!"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoQwKe0lggw

    Lasers like in Austin Powers in Goldmember.

  35. @G Pinfold
    Sharks need cleaner water than you're likely to find in those parts. Crocodiles and hippos make effective border control deputies in parts of Africa.
    Walls are so much more effective. The point of the wall is that no one needs to be engaged; no one needs to be arrested, no one needs to be 'processed'. This is how buildings work.
    Ultimately, more cost effective solutions will include killbots, which would provide a lethal yet morally-neutral barrier, sort of like an electrified fence with fewer vulnerabilities.

    Sharks need cleaner water than you’re likely to find in those parts.

    River dolphins with frickin’ laser beams attached to their heads would work, but it doesn’t have quite the same menacing ring.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Asian_river_dolphin
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indus_river_dolphin

  36. You can’t mention Bangladesh without mentioning what’s going on in neighboring Myanmar. Supposedly, the poor innocent Rohingya Muslims are being genocided by the Buddhist majority, creating a refugee crisis in Bangladesh. Given that the usual suspects (the US-Saudi-Israeli-Neocon-Globalist Axis) are raising the hue and cry, this leads me to believe that there’s a lot more to this story than is being reported. All I can say is, if you’ve got Buddhists wanting to kill you, you must have done something really bad. Par for course with having a sizeable Muslim minority.

  37. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Half of India-Bangladesh border fenced

    No shi*.

    I mean that makes good sense.

    The basis of politics must be something solid and substantive. Land is solid. Ethnic Population is substantive. They are tangible and real.

    All true conservatism must defend and preserve what is real and tangible. The thing is more important than the idea of the thing.

    It’s like solid material vs air/gas. Solid stuff like tree or boulder has weight and place. Air/gas, in contrast, moves all around. Ideas are like air/gas. That’s what’s great about ideas. They can easily travel around and pass from one people to another. But for that very reason, ideas cannot indefinitely be claimed as ‘ours’. Idea of Democracy now belongs to the world. So, does the technology for firearms. So does the idea of ‘human rights’.

    It’s like two people are tangible and solid. They have substance. So, self-preservation first and foremost means the defense of the body. In contrast, words and ideas can be passed between the two people. One person’s idea can become the other person’s idea.

    So, conservatism must focus on the substantive body. And liberalism is about sharing of ideas.
    But today’s idiot conservatism in the West puts the idea at the center. That is like a person thinking that his ideas are more important than his bodily organic being. Never mind he still can exist as being without the idea whereas the idea cannot exist without his being. I mean even if the Anglos who settled in America had not created a republic but a different kind of society, it would still be Anglo-America. The thing itself is more important. America was founded on certain political principles but still, the founders as people, culture, and race were more important.

    Imagine there is an apple as a solid thing. Suppose someone is in possession of the apple as his.

    Suppose someone comes along and says the idea of the apple is more important than the apple itself.
    The idea of the apple is ‘apple is yummy’. And he persuades the guy with the apple that it’s no problem if he gives up the apple since his main concern should be the idea of the apple. So, the guy hands over his apple to the other guy and murmurs ‘apple is yummy, apple is yummy’ while someone else possesses the apple(as a thing).

    While the other guys now owns the apple as his solid prize, the other guy thinks he’s still in possession of it because he carries the idea ‘apple is yummy’.
    What a dummy.

  38. @ATX Hipster

    The specter of the Chinese funded Naxalites don’t help matters
     
    Has that actually been proven? I've seen speculation and of course it would make sense, but I haven't seen anything about any smoking guns.

    A professor I had once spoke in very idealistic terms about the Naxalites, the way leftists in the U.S. might romanticize Che or Stalin. He seemed disappointed when a student who was a more recent arrival from India told him that they're broadly reviled as thugs since they use extortion and literal highway robbery of civilians as a primary source of funds.

    Well, it’s an explicitly Maoist party that was formed at the height of the Cultural Revolution, so it shouldn’t be too shocking. Top Naxalite leaders still to this day take refuge in China, and most of the Naxalite’s weapons come from China via Nepal, which has its own very well organized Maoists. I’m willing to post links if you want. It’s pretty much the sole existing holdover of what we might loosely term China’s “Trotskyite” phase in foreign policy. Even during the final days of Mao’s regime, China rapidly began to reassess its foreign policy: supporting Mobutu and the US against the USSR being one example.

    One of the first things Deng Xiaoping-with Lee Kwan Yew’s encouragement-did in power was to cease support for left-wing insurgencies. This Deng did… except for this one. At the time, India’s close alignment with the USSR meant that we didn’t raise too much of a fuss, considering how helpful the Chinese were being with close-by Afghanistan in the 1980s. And yes, they aren’t popular. Ever since capitalism took off and starting really improving the lot of tens of millions of Indians, combined with the unpopular specter of Beijing and typically heavy-handed Communist tactics as you alluded to, Naxalism’s stock has rapidly declined with the Indian public. However, they are still a threat, particularly in West Bengal, which has traditionally been a strong bastion of leftism. Even though India got the more prosperous part of Bengal relative to Bangladesh, it’s still a pretty poor place. One of many reasons why, again, New Delhi *really* does not want tens of millions of impoverished Bangladeshis swamping them.

    Fun side-story: one of the reasons Richard Nixon didn’t trust Indira Gandhi was because although she publicly advocated the typical Fabian socialist position of the day for US operations in Vietnam, privately, she strongly encouraged America to stay and fight it out, or at least not leave Vietnam too quickly. The reason: the Naxalites. Like every other leader in the region, she was worried about an Indochina dominated by Hanoi becoming a launching pad for upping the insurgencies in their own countries. However, to be fair to her, this was at the height of the Cultural Revolution, when China was scaring the crap out of everybody, including North Korea and the USSR. Things changed immensely over the coming decade as Vietnam and China fell out.

    • Replies: @ATX Hipster
    Thanks for the detailed reply. One of these days I'm going to get around to picking up some books on this stuff...
    , @Anon
    They still have some support among the intelligentsia, though-- I remember fairly recently sitting through a film which was basically a Naxalite propaganda piece and being shocked at just how blatant it was.
  39. @Altai
    Has Steve heard about the presidential election in Singapore? Like Nigeria now they alternate between ethnicities with this years election being the first to be explicitly to be contested by candidates of one particular ethnicity. This year was the turn for ethnic Malays and every candidate but one was not found to be eligible and so the hijab-wearing Halimah Yacob won by default. This is in partly due to the low social and political prominence of Malays and so a thin field of candidates and partly due to a seemingly arbitrary set of criteria and the authorities just not approving some people for reasons unknown. Though going through past elections this might not be so uncommon with many of them being 'uncontested' come election day.

    The issue seems to be the exclusion of anyone but ethnic Malays rather than the government simply choosing the victor through eliminating other candidates which seems to have happened in the past.

    One could be eligible by coming from different kinds of prominent positions.

    Interestingly one avenue one could become eligible through being the CEO of a sufficiently large corporation. One man lost out by having lied about the size of it's holdings.


    Specifically, the amendment states that an election will be reserved for candidates from a particular racial group if the previous five elections have not produced a president from that racial group. In Singapore, it's dubbed a "hiatus-triggered model."

    "Every citizen, Chinese, Malay, Indian or some other race, should know that someone of his community can become President, and in fact from time to time, does become President," said Lee Hsien Loong, Singapore's prime minister, last November before the new rule was introduced.

    Singapore hasn't had a Malay president since the country's first President Yusof Ishak, who served as head of state from 1965 to 1970. Subsequent presidents have been from the Eurasian, Chinese and Indian communities.
     

    Diversity is strength, it's also rigging elections to ensure racial peace. Ironically this is one instance where Nigeria does a better job at making something subtle rather than vulgar.

    It looks as if the resentment from mainly ethnic Han to this is significant. Increasing pressure and inequality along with heavy immigration pressure and PRCers buying up property has made people very unhappy. The last justification to this from the system was 'stop whining, you get what you're worth, everything is a meritocracy!', things like this seem to be a slap in the face of this.

    My guess is that this is being done to placate the government of Malaysia and prevent ethnic Chinese citizens of Malaysia from receiving any backlash.

    Foreigners should stay out of Singapore’s Speakers’ Corner.

    Public Demonstrations: Public demonstrations are legal only at Speakers’ Corner in Hong Lim Park and most outdoor public assemblies require a police permit. Singapore amended its laws in April 2017 to forbid foreign nationals who are not permanent residents from observing permitted public demonstrations, assemblies, and processions at Speakers’ Corner. The law does not distinguish between participants and observers, so anyone at Speakers’ Corner could be considered part of an event. Penalties may be severe, including large fines and/or imprisonment.

    https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/country/singapore.html

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    Malaysia used to be over 1/3rd Chinese. Now it is barely over 20%.

    Mahathir's efforts to make the Malays "more Chinese" in terms of personal ways have been somewhat successful-after all, Malaysia is a reasonably developed country now, in spite of everything-but the brain drain resulting from the Chinese exodus and its the impact on Malaysia's economy is very severe. The discrimination against non-Bumiputera will come to haunt the Malays. And the Malay Singaporeans aren't fools: they can easily compare Johor to Singapore and figure out which one is still a better place to live in.

  40. cameras and lasers

    The cameras are to spot them and the lasers are to zap ’em.

  41. @Altai
    Yes, I suspect that is why nobody cared in the past. But it seems like the pressure (And, perhaps resentment towards Malays who obviously cast outsized demands on society as a result of the their faith in the age of the Islamic revival are likely to be the weak link in Singapore) is causing people to be quite angry at the bold-faced abandonment of even the pretence at 'meritocracy' in order to try to quell racial tensions from Malays at their low social status. It's all symbolic, but symbols are the things revolutions are made from.

    28 Altai > Malays who obviously cast outsized demands on society as a result of the their faith in the age of the Islamic revival are likely to be the weak link in Singapore) is causing people to be quite angry at the bold-faced abandonment of even the pretence at ‘meritocracy’ in order to try to quell racial tensions from Malays

    Malay boys have the highest rate of volunteering for the conscript-police, because it gives them a few extra points later on in applying for a civil service job as a cop.

    I don’t think Altai has sent much time wandering around hawker centres in Woodlands or Yishun or Sembawang.

    Singapore Malays are a rather narcotized demographic. Perhaps because they only have to look across the river into Malaysia itself (many Singaporeans drive or bus into Johor Bahru for a day of inexpensive shopping at the drop of a hat) to see what a Malay-operated country ends up becoming.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    Speaking as a visitor, Malaysia is far preferable to Singapore.

    In Penang, I got up early every morning and went hiking by the sea, drank gin and tonics from the early afternoon on the front porch of my dilapidated-colonial-building hotel, broke to eat filet mignon and wine when the bats came out (literally, I waited for their sillouettes against the pink sunset to signal dinner), spent the evening reading, and went to bed when I felt tired. This cost me about $40 per day.

    Before Penang, I stayed in the Cameron Highlands, where I got shaved straight-razor style by the local Indian barber. I ate nasi lemak for breakfast every day at a local place, e-mailed in the morning, read from War and Peace or hiked around tea farms in the afternoon, and drank vodka in the evening.

    Except for KL, which was a hell-hole, Malaysia was the closest I found to a place I could just live forever without worrying about the outside world. Luang Prabang in Laos was the most magical place I visited in SE Asia, but it is 100% tourist industry. Malaysia hits the sweet spot of being pedestrian and exotic, comfortable and affordable.

    Singapore, despite visiting a British document archive, wandering into 28 Hong Kong Street by accident, and getting the most worshipful blowjob of my life, was a dystopia of monotonous vibrancy. It does certain civic services well, but I doubt Yan Shen has been there or he wouldn't be suggesting it as a model for the US.
  42. Walls just don’t work.

    Show me an eight foot Bangladesh-India border fence, and I’ll show you a Bangladeshi with a nine foot ladder:

    Bangladesh-India border: “Wall of Death”
    … Felani, born in India to parents who were undocumented migrants there, was returning to Bangladesh to get married. But it was daylight now, and Felani’s father Nurul Islam was afraid.

    The local smugglers he had paid Rs 3000 ($70) to help him and his daughter across insisted however that everything was fine, and the two began to climb up the ladder that had been arranged for them.

    LOL

    Story continues:

    Nurul Islam made it over successfully. Moments later, as Felani reached the top of the 2.5m high fence, Indian border guards who had spotted them came running out and shot her dead from close range.

    “[The BSF shot] without any warning. I don’t understand why they didn’t shout anything,” remembers Nurul Islam, who has been relocated with the rest of his family to the Bangladeshi village of Ramkhana, near where his daughter died. “I wish they’d said ‘stop.’ If they’d just said ‘stop’ she would’ve been saved.”

    Felani’s lifeless body hung from the fence for five hours, in full view of Bangladeshi and Indian farmers living nearby. Eventually, the BSF slung her hands and feet onto a bamboo pole and took her away.

    It was over 30 hours before her body was handed over to Bangladeshi authorities and returned to her father. “They took her jewelry,” Nurul Islam said, sardonically.

    Human rights group Odhikar accuses the BSF of killing over 1,000 Bangladeshis in the past decade.

    • Replies: @27 year old
    Goals
    , @Massimo Heitor
    Here's a better source, on the Indian shoot-to-kill policy at the Bangladesh border:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/libertycentral/2011/jan/23/india-bangladesh-border-shoot-to-kill-policy


    Shockingly, some Indian officials endorse shooting people who attempt to cross the border illegally, even if they are unarmed. Almost as shocking is the lack of interest in these killings by foreign governments who claim to be concerned with human rights. A single killing by US law enforcement along the Mexican border makes headlines. The killing of large numbers of villagers by Indian forces has been almost entirely ignored.
     
    Yet, even The Guardian doesn't follow up on this story. My guess: there is full momentum behind a global political movement faulting whites for the ills of the world. Noticing worse behaviors among non-whites would degrade and derail that narrative.
    , @bomag

    as Felani reached the top of the 2.5m high fence, Indian border guards who had spotted them came running out and...
     
    Well, I'd say she technically made it over the fence and out of the country...
  43. @nebulafox
    The real aim of the project is to try and stem the inevitable flood of Bangladeshis into India as the land keeps shrinking. It'll come, and the only way it'll be pseudo-halted is if the border guards are willing to shoot. Even though Bangladesh has done an admirable job of getting birth rates down, the demographic momentum is still there, and you've already got more people than Russia in an area the size of Louisiana. India already has millions of illegal immigrants from Bangladesh, and in a province-West Bengal-that really does not need them, both for economic reasons and because of the fear of communal violence. (The specter of the Chinese funded Naxalites don't help matters.) The Indian elite, unlike our rulers, are under few illusions about what happens if you don't quarantine off dysfunctional (and in their case, increasingly Islamism infested) neighbors.

    As for us? Trump should use this as a spade to beat the media with, ASAP.

    “millions of illegal immigrants from Bangladesh, and in a province-West Bengal-that really does not need them”

    Your use of province is quite apropos even though West Bengal is a state. Current Bangladesh(then East Pakistan) was formed out of East Bengal after the partition when India became independent, which in turn was carved out of Bengal under the British rule along religious lines.

    The country of Bangladesh came to be after the 1971 war between Indian and Pakistan which was decisively won by India,

    After the resignations of Admiral S.M. Ahsan and Lieutenant-General Yaqub Ali Khan, the media correspondents began airing reports of Pakistani military’s widespread genocide against their Bengali citizens,[60] that was particularly aimed at the minority Bengali Hindu population

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Pakistani_War_of_1971

    As for Trump,

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    My mistake.

    I don't speak Bengali, but I do think "Bangla Desh" means country of the Bengalis, right? From some measurements, when you combine West Bengal and Bangladesh, Bengalis are the second most populous ethnic group in the world next to the Han Chinese.

    One of the reasons that East Pakistan encountered many economic problems was because the educated middle class in pre-Partition Bengal were overwhelmingly Hindu. (One of the reasons, I believe, that the Hindu minority left over in Bangladesh was targeted by the Pakistani military during Operation Searchlight in addition to religious sentiment. They wanted to eliminate the intelligentsia-classic move.) The majority of the population in what would eventually become Bangladesh belonged to the outlying peasantry, which was predominantly Muslim in Bengal. India also got the majority of the resources that the region had to offer, including the major port of the region. So even when Bangladesh got its independence from its abusive Punjabi overlords (they didn't even share an alphabet) in 1971, it still had to deal with all the old ills resulting from the Partition.

  44. Pakistan is building a fence along its 1,500 mile border with Afghanistan.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/06/24/pakistan-accused-of-terrorist-infiltration-starts-to-fence-its-border-with-afghanistan/?utm_term=.dd062aa912b8

    Afghanistan is destined to remain ungovernable and chaotic and is very keen to jump into bed with India. This will hopefully keep the consequencesmif their incompetence firmly out of Pakistan.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    "Pakistan is building a fence along its 1,500 mile border with Afghanistan"

    That'll be a job and a half. Pretty wild country, plenty of peaks, gorges and ravines, little in the way of electricity, and the locals, also pretty wild, have gone to and fro across the border for millennia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durand_Line

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan%E2%80%93Afghanistan_barrier

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Afghan_attack_on_Pakistan_census_team
  45. exactly. This is why I thought Trump just needs to run boring cheap chain link-like fence along the Mexican border. The sensors could be embedded everywhere in/on the mesh…problem solved. It is all gonna come down to terminator-style surveillance, anyway. I mean, SV keeps touting and spouting about robots…so, let’s finally, after all these decades, put “real”Robocops on the border to test the efficacy of robots. And, ask holy Amazon, to test their drones to discern & record bizarre behavior on the fence of any infiltrators trying to break into the USA. I mean, if we are all leaning-in with robots and all, the wall by Mexico would be a great field-test area, no? Ok, gotta sleep.

  46. @Dr. X

    Half of the 4,096-km border India shares with Bangladesh has been fenced… The aim of the project is to curb infiltration and smuggling of cattle and fake Indian currency notes….
     
    Wait a minute... I thought that "diversity is our greatest strength." Wouldn't Hindu India be made so much better and stronger by allowing Muslim Bangladeshi criminals to illegally sneak into their country? Come on, now... time to cut off all foreign aid to punish India, ya think?

    Come on, now… time to cut off all foreign aid to punish India, ya think?

    Or cancel their visas.

  47. @Achilles
    More from the article:

    Opposition party leaders expressed their views on the border fence.

    Objecting to the fence, Jawaharlal Bush of the Global Bankers Party lectured the public that "family values don't stop at the Padma River." His brother Nehru Bush added that attempts to infiltrate the border into India should be looked upon as "acts of love."

    In a lucrative leaked secret speech to lobbyists, Hillary Rodham Gandhi of the Baksheesh Party promised that if she ever gained power she would remove the fence and implement a borderless common market from the Persian Gulf to the South China Sea. Mrs. Gandhi blamed the leak of the speech on Macedonian content farmers and demanded that the media remove any references to the speech from their reporting. [note to editor: please remove this paragraph in future editions]

    Barack Hussein Mohammed of the Islamic Socialist People's Party called the fence an insult to Islam, intimating darkly that "the future does not belong to those who slander the Prophet of Islam." He further suggested that India does not have the moral authority to construct a border fence, citing atrocities against Muslim forces which occurred during the 12th Century C.E. Battles of Tarain.

    "A fence is not who we are," protested Paul Ryanujan of the Donors Party. "I am in favor of strong border security," he continued, "but not something like a fence or anything else that might hinder cheap workers from easily crossing the border at will."
     

    Applause –

  48. @Hippopotamusdrome
    Walls just don’t work.

    Show me an eight foot Bangladesh-India border fence, and I'll show you a Bangladeshi with a nine foot ladder:


    Bangladesh-India border: "Wall of Death"
    ... Felani, born in India to parents who were undocumented migrants there, was returning to Bangladesh to get married. But it was daylight now, and Felani’s father Nurul Islam was afraid.

    The local smugglers he had paid Rs 3000 ($70) to help him and his daughter across insisted however that everything was fine, and the two began to climb up the ladder that had been arranged for them.

     

    LOL


    Story continues:


    Nurul Islam made it over successfully. Moments later, as Felani reached the top of the 2.5m high fence, Indian border guards who had spotted them came running out and shot her dead from close range.

    “[The BSF shot] without any warning. I don’t understand why they didn’t shout anything,” remembers Nurul Islam, who has been relocated with the rest of his family to the Bangladeshi village of Ramkhana, near where his daughter died. “I wish they’d said ‘stop.’ If they’d just said ‘stop’ she would’ve been saved.”

    Felani’s lifeless body hung from the fence for five hours, in full view of Bangladeshi and Indian farmers living nearby. Eventually, the BSF slung her hands and feet onto a bamboo pole and took her away.

    It was over 30 hours before her body was handed over to Bangladeshi authorities and returned to her father. “They took her jewelry,” Nurul Islam said, sardonically.

    ...

    Human rights group Odhikar accuses the BSF of killing over 1,000 Bangladeshis in the past decade.

     

    Goals

  49. Meanwhile in Myanmar they’re ethnically cleansing their Bengali population (Rohingya) over into Bangladesh. Bengalis don’t seem very popular, but don’t feel too bad, back in Bangladesh they’re ethnically cleansing the indigenous Tibeto-Burman hill farmers in a truly brutal fashion.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumma_people

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Ramu_violence

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chittagong_Hill_Tracts_conflict

    Ah, diversity! Think how boring those places would be without it. There’d be no mass use of rape as an act of ethnic cleansing and those poor Buddhist hill farmers probably wouldn’t know the glory and peace of Islam.

  50. @Anonymous
    That's now at least THREE countries that I know of (there may be more for all I know)--the other two being Hungary and- Yahweh be blessed!- Yisroel--who either have or are putting up fences. Ahh, but not the Yoo Ess of Aaay though.

    Then again didn't the Chinese under their first Emperor put up a wall "back in the day?" To keep out barbarians? Ditto the Romans in Albion under Hadrian? To keep out the Picts and Scots?

    Invade/invite!

    Lots of countries with fences, e.g., Bulgaria
    and Lithuania in Europe, and several in Africa.
    Wikipedia has a list under Border Barrier

    • Replies: @anonymous
    Thanks for this info.
  51. How about alligators with machine guns on their backs?

    In America, we can put them in the Rio Grande.

    And since President Trump obviously is never going to build a wall, let’s use mountain lions with flamethrowers on their heads for the dry part of our southern border.

  52. India has 250 thousand troops on the India-Pakistan border…

    How many Indian troops on the India-China border?

    And The Hindus get to come to America…breed….and the Hindu geneline gets to vote the Historic Native Born White American Majority Nation into a White racial minority within the borders of the US…and they taunt us…Preet Bharara’s tweets….as they vote us into a White racial minority within the borders of America….So like, how do you feel about this?

    • Replies: @Stan
    Preet Bharara is a protege of Chuck Schumer.
  53. @Anonymous
    That's now at least THREE countries that I know of (there may be more for all I know)--the other two being Hungary and- Yahweh be blessed!- Yisroel--who either have or are putting up fences. Ahh, but not the Yoo Ess of Aaay though.

    Then again didn't the Chinese under their first Emperor put up a wall "back in the day?" To keep out barbarians? Ditto the Romans in Albion under Hadrian? To keep out the Picts and Scots?

    Invade/invite!

    That’s now at least THREE countries that I know of (there may be more for all I know)

    There are dozens.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3205724/How-65-countries-erected-security-walls-borders.html

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_barrier

  54. From the Times of India today, on the Indian government stance on the Rohingya refugees

    Third, sources said the Indian government will defend its right to evict illegal migrants. The issue is politically sensitive for the BJP government which campaigned against such migration in the north-east states. In addition, the presence of Rohingya in Jammu has sparked more such fears. Others have pointed to terror leaders like Zakir Musa supporting the Rohingya, as reason to deport them.

    In addition, India this week hit back against the UN from commenting on India’s right. Pushing back against the comments of the UNHRC chief, Zeid Ra’ad Al Hussein, the Indian envoy criticised the world body for “tendentious judgments made on the basis of selective and even inaccurate reports do not further the understanding of human rights in any society. Like many other nations, India is concerned about illegal migrants, in particular, with the possibility that they could pose security challenges. Enforcing the laws should not be mistaken for lack of compassion.”

  55. This is why America needs multiculturalism. America needs leaders like Modi and Jacob Zuma to stand up for the American majority, and enact the same sensitive immigration policies we find in the enlightened, non-racist, non-white parts of the world.

  56. @Anon
    Bedpans vs Tombstones.

    We are told that as white folks grow older(often without any kids), they'll need foreigners to come and work in hospitals and nursing homes to take care of aging/dying white folks and change their bedpans. So, aging white folks need young non-whites to take care of them.

    Now, there may be some economic rationale behind this.

    But this sounds like a totally gutless, soulless, and culture-less society.

    EVEN IF these non-whites do work at nursing-home jobs and take care of old white folks, it is ONLY FOR MONEY, not out of any kind of love. The fact is they don't care and when they old folks die, their attitude will be Good Riddance. And they will never ever visit the graves and tombstones of these dead white folks.

    Unless white folks have white kids and white grandkids, their death will purely be material. They will be living matter turned into dead matter and once gotten rid of, no one will care.
    In contrast, with kids and grandkids, there are visits to cemeteries. And that is the essence of culture and humanity. Animals have no sense of heritage, ancestry, or history. Humans do.

    So, even if these newcomers will come to take care of white folks, they will feel NOTHING for them when they die. They will never visit the graves and place flowers on them.

    There was a time when culture was measured and valued in terms of how future generations will remember the dead ones. Now, it's all about the NOW. Consume trash, be happy. Narcissism and Nihilism over Nationalism and Humanism. And as people age, just hope that some Filipino, Negro, or Arab will change your bedpans. And if you die, who cares? Just dead matter to be gotten rid of.

    This film STILL WALKING ends with the family visiting the tombs. Would any nursing home employee do that? Or care?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id7tXouypEE

    As US fills up with 'diversity'(which should be called MORE DIVERSITY), there is a serious disconnect between white heritage and newcomers. Newcomers feel NOTHING when they see white cultural heritage. (They used to somewhat when US had been Eurocentric. But the kids of new colonizers are told to hate whitey.)
    But then, even white folks don't care as their main culture is ephemeral but narcotic Pop Culture and their values are set in PC that says 'feel shame for whiteness'.

    If people tried to remove MLK statue or some Jewish monument, there would be a huge outcry. But there is silence as another Robert Lee monument is taken down.

    This is a soul-sick nation.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41284464

    Without seeking to disagree with your lament about modern First World breeding habits (my way of putting that aspect of your case) I must point to weakness in your argument. If Thirld World carers are immigrating for the money it is absurd to say that they won’t care about the sources of their income dying. But you don’t in fact seem to have a reality based view of human interaction. Many carers have a simple natural instinct to be nice to the weak regardless of whether they could relate like old school friends. Just think of many people’s softheaded affection and care for animals. Loving and giving care is rewarding to many. Natural selection took care of that. (Think too of the genuine affection of black nannies’ for white children in the South).

    Moreover the observation about visiting the graves and tombstones of white folk is surely a primitive hangover of no significance to generations who will increasingly behave with the sophistication of those who already scatter the ashes of their dead – if they haven’t been given to medicine for translants or anatomy – and, if they create anything to memorialise the dead beyond family photos, letters and DVDs, do so with memorial lectures, prizes and scholarships or a charitable trust in their names.

    • Replies: @Saxon
    We're talking about people who are too stupid to stop having more children than they can support. They will not put two and two together when whites are a minority. They will simply blame us for no longer creating the great living conditions that used to exist under a white majority and then violently persecute us because they cannot get blood from a stone in the form of propping up a useless mass of people who cannot create and maintain these conditions on their own.
  57. @Ali Choudhury
    Pakistan is building a fence along its 1,500 mile border with Afghanistan.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/06/24/pakistan-accused-of-terrorist-infiltration-starts-to-fence-its-border-with-afghanistan/?utm_term=.dd062aa912b8

    Afghanistan is destined to remain ungovernable and chaotic and is very keen to jump into bed with India. This will hopefully keep the consequencesmif their incompetence firmly out of Pakistan.

    “Pakistan is building a fence along its 1,500 mile border with Afghanistan”

    That’ll be a job and a half. Pretty wild country, plenty of peaks, gorges and ravines, little in the way of electricity, and the locals, also pretty wild, have gone to and fro across the border for millennia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durand_Line

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan%E2%80%93Afghanistan_barrier

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Afghan_attack_on_Pakistan_census_team

  58. @namae nanka
    "millions of illegal immigrants from Bangladesh, and in a province-West Bengal-that really does not need them"

    Your use of province is quite apropos even though West Bengal is a state. Current Bangladesh(then East Pakistan) was formed out of East Bengal after the partition when India became independent, which in turn was carved out of Bengal under the British rule along religious lines.

    The country of Bangladesh came to be after the 1971 war between Indian and Pakistan which was decisively won by India,

    After the resignations of Admiral S.M. Ahsan and Lieutenant-General Yaqub Ali Khan, the media correspondents began airing reports of Pakistani military's widespread genocide against their Bengali citizens,[60] that was particularly aimed at the minority Bengali Hindu population
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Pakistani_War_of_1971

    As for Trump,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIioUpF3Btc

    My mistake.

    I don’t speak Bengali, but I do think “Bangla Desh” means country of the Bengalis, right? From some measurements, when you combine West Bengal and Bangladesh, Bengalis are the second most populous ethnic group in the world next to the Han Chinese.

    One of the reasons that East Pakistan encountered many economic problems was because the educated middle class in pre-Partition Bengal were overwhelmingly Hindu. (One of the reasons, I believe, that the Hindu minority left over in Bangladesh was targeted by the Pakistani military during Operation Searchlight in addition to religious sentiment. They wanted to eliminate the intelligentsia-classic move.) The majority of the population in what would eventually become Bangladesh belonged to the outlying peasantry, which was predominantly Muslim in Bengal. India also got the majority of the resources that the region had to offer, including the major port of the region. So even when Bangladesh got its independence from its abusive Punjabi overlords (they didn’t even share an alphabet) in 1971, it still had to deal with all the old ills resulting from the Partition.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    To clarify, that was the case in Bengal. Whereas in the northwestern part of the country, particularly the Punjab-the other region that was hit hard the Partition-it was the other way around, with the intelligentsia/middle class being largely Muslim and the peasantry Hindu. Legacy of the Mughal Empire would be the logical cause behind that, I think, but I'm not Indian, so...
  59. @Triumph104
    My guess is that this is being done to placate the government of Malaysia and prevent ethnic Chinese citizens of Malaysia from receiving any backlash.

    Foreigners should stay out of Singapore's Speakers' Corner.


    Public Demonstrations: Public demonstrations are legal only at Speakers’ Corner in Hong Lim Park and most outdoor public assemblies require a police permit. Singapore amended its laws in April 2017 to forbid foreign nationals who are not permanent residents from observing permitted public demonstrations, assemblies, and processions at Speakers’ Corner. The law does not distinguish between participants and observers, so anyone at Speakers’ Corner could be considered part of an event. Penalties may be severe, including large fines and/or imprisonment.
     
    https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/country/singapore.html

    Malaysia used to be over 1/3rd Chinese. Now it is barely over 20%.

    Mahathir’s efforts to make the Malays “more Chinese” in terms of personal ways have been somewhat successful-after all, Malaysia is a reasonably developed country now, in spite of everything-but the brain drain resulting from the Chinese exodus and its the impact on Malaysia’s economy is very severe. The discrimination against non-Bumiputera will come to haunt the Malays. And the Malay Singaporeans aren’t fools: they can easily compare Johor to Singapore and figure out which one is still a better place to live in.

    • Replies: @Triumph104
    Thanks, I didn't realize that Malaysia's Chinese population had decreased and so much. I've read about Chinese being refused university placements in favor of less qualified Malays. That's enough to send the Chinese packing.

    I had wanted to retire in Singapore, but since that wasn't viable, I considered Malaysia's nearby Johor Bahur, but with all of the home invasions, the crime level there seemed almost as bad a Kuala Lumpur.
  60. @David Davenport
    Getting back a few days to iSteve chat room claims that America hasn't won any wars since 1945, here's a 4:40 minute video in which Prof. Victor Davis Hanson answers the question, Why Did America Fight the Vietnam War??

    I agree with Hanson that the Vietnam war was won in 1973, but victory was was undone because President Nixon was driven from office. Usually, V. D. Hanson is not to my taste, but I agree with him here.

    Being a respectable gentleman, Prof. Hanson doesn't explore who was being the plot to ruin Richard Nixon. Nixon was sort of the original D. Trump minus D. T.'s personal wealth and showmanship, but with the same domestic enemies.

    Note: I first saw this link at instapundit.com's A REVIEW OF KEN BURN’S VIETNAM PBS SERIES.

    I disagree. Short of us being willing to protect South Vietnam like South Korea-and by 1973, that was beyond off the table-Saigon’s fate was sealed. The people in charge in Hanoi had been fighting for decades. They were willing to wait a couple more years.

  61. The WASP / Jew ruling class of the American Empire is flooding the United States with South Asian Indians. A jocular Jew named Joel Stein wrote a bit in Time Magazine about how South Asian Indians are pouring into Edison, New Jersey. The mass movement of millions of South Asian Indians to the United States is not in the interests of White Core America.

    Joel Stein circles his wagons on his hometown of Edison, New Jersey:

    http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1999416,00.html

    Arrogant South Asian Indians have developed a hobby in which they attack the European Christian ancestral core of the United States for not welcoming the inundation of America with South Asian Indians. The anti-White controllers of the corporate media give the South Asian Indians the mass media megaphone to attack White Core Americans as “racists” and other pleasant swear words of the ruling class.

    Now it turns out that India has specific plans to halt immigration using fences and all sorts of other methods. White Core Americans should begin to make plans to deport and repatriate as many South Asian Indians as possible in the next few years.

  62. @Karl
    28 Altai > Malays who obviously cast outsized demands on society as a result of the their faith in the age of the Islamic revival are likely to be the weak link in Singapore) is causing people to be quite angry at the bold-faced abandonment of even the pretence at ‘meritocracy’ in order to try to quell racial tensions from Malays


    Malay boys have the highest rate of volunteering for the conscript-police, because it gives them a few extra points later on in applying for a civil service job as a cop.

    I don't think Altai has sent much time wandering around hawker centres in Woodlands or Yishun or Sembawang.

    Singapore Malays are a rather narcotized demographic. Perhaps because they only have to look across the river into Malaysia itself (many Singaporeans drive or bus into Johor Bahru for a day of inexpensive shopping at the drop of a hat) to see what a Malay-operated country ends up becoming.

    Speaking as a visitor, Malaysia is far preferable to Singapore.

    In Penang, I got up early every morning and went hiking by the sea, drank gin and tonics from the early afternoon on the front porch of my dilapidated-colonial-building hotel, broke to eat filet mignon and wine when the bats came out (literally, I waited for their sillouettes against the pink sunset to signal dinner), spent the evening reading, and went to bed when I felt tired. This cost me about $40 per day.

    Before Penang, I stayed in the Cameron Highlands, where I got shaved straight-razor style by the local Indian barber. I ate nasi lemak for breakfast every day at a local place, e-mailed in the morning, read from War and Peace or hiked around tea farms in the afternoon, and drank vodka in the evening.

    Except for KL, which was a hell-hole, Malaysia was the closest I found to a place I could just live forever without worrying about the outside world. Luang Prabang in Laos was the most magical place I visited in SE Asia, but it is 100% tourist industry. Malaysia hits the sweet spot of being pedestrian and exotic, comfortable and affordable.

    Singapore, despite visiting a British document archive, wandering into 28 Hong Kong Street by accident, and getting the most worshipful blowjob of my life, was a dystopia of monotonous vibrancy. It does certain civic services well, but I doubt Yan Shen has been there or he wouldn’t be suggesting it as a model for the US.

    • Replies: @Triumph104
    According to a survey, 42% of Singaporeans want to migrate, 21% aren't sure and only 36% want to stay. Only 61% percent of the population are citizens, compared to 74% in 2000 and 90% in 1990. That is pretty much by design as citizens are expensive to educate and grow old. It is better to get a foreigner in their prime working years and send them away if they get sick or old.

    Prostitution is decriminalized in Singapore. It is primarily in Geylang and neighboring streets. Tour groups go through there and the health department makes inspections twice a week. Most of the prostitutes are foreigners.

    Singapore is almost as dog eat dog as Hong Kong. When Lee Kuan Yew was alive, poor elderly Singaporeans were expected to work if their meager pensions were not enough, if they had a pension. Most only have an elementary school education at best and don't speak English or Mandarin. They would sell packets of tissues or work as restroom/toilet assistants earning S$10/day if lucky. Some worked in fast food or collected cardboard. Cardboard collectors sometimes were killed by cars - slow reflexes and hard of hearing. After Lee Kuan Yew died, the elderly poor started receiving an extra S$200 or so in their monthly pension, so they can now spend their final years in some level of dignity.
    , @Escher
    Taking a holiday vs. living long term in a country are two very different things.
  63. @nebulafox
    Well, it's an explicitly Maoist party that was formed at the height of the Cultural Revolution, so it shouldn't be too shocking. Top Naxalite leaders still to this day take refuge in China, and most of the Naxalite's weapons come from China via Nepal, which has its own very well organized Maoists. I'm willing to post links if you want. It's pretty much the sole existing holdover of what we might loosely term China's "Trotskyite" phase in foreign policy. Even during the final days of Mao's regime, China rapidly began to reassess its foreign policy: supporting Mobutu and the US against the USSR being one example.

    One of the first things Deng Xiaoping-with Lee Kwan Yew's encouragement-did in power was to cease support for left-wing insurgencies. This Deng did... except for this one. At the time, India's close alignment with the USSR meant that we didn't raise too much of a fuss, considering how helpful the Chinese were being with close-by Afghanistan in the 1980s. And yes, they aren't popular. Ever since capitalism took off and starting really improving the lot of tens of millions of Indians, combined with the unpopular specter of Beijing and typically heavy-handed Communist tactics as you alluded to, Naxalism's stock has rapidly declined with the Indian public. However, they are still a threat, particularly in West Bengal, which has traditionally been a strong bastion of leftism. Even though India got the more prosperous part of Bengal relative to Bangladesh, it's still a pretty poor place. One of many reasons why, again, New Delhi *really* does not want tens of millions of impoverished Bangladeshis swamping them.

    Fun side-story: one of the reasons Richard Nixon didn't trust Indira Gandhi was because although she publicly advocated the typical Fabian socialist position of the day for US operations in Vietnam, privately, she strongly encouraged America to stay and fight it out, or at least not leave Vietnam too quickly. The reason: the Naxalites. Like every other leader in the region, she was worried about an Indochina dominated by Hanoi becoming a launching pad for upping the insurgencies in their own countries. However, to be fair to her, this was at the height of the Cultural Revolution, when China was scaring the crap out of everybody, including North Korea and the USSR. Things changed immensely over the coming decade as Vietnam and China fell out.

    Thanks for the detailed reply. One of these days I’m going to get around to picking up some books on this stuff…

  64. @Altai
    Has Steve heard about the presidential election in Singapore? Like Nigeria now they alternate between ethnicities with this years election being the first to be explicitly to be contested by candidates of one particular ethnicity. This year was the turn for ethnic Malays and every candidate but one was not found to be eligible and so the hijab-wearing Halimah Yacob won by default. This is in partly due to the low social and political prominence of Malays and so a thin field of candidates and partly due to a seemingly arbitrary set of criteria and the authorities just not approving some people for reasons unknown. Though going through past elections this might not be so uncommon with many of them being 'uncontested' come election day.

    The issue seems to be the exclusion of anyone but ethnic Malays rather than the government simply choosing the victor through eliminating other candidates which seems to have happened in the past.

    One could be eligible by coming from different kinds of prominent positions.

    Interestingly one avenue one could become eligible through being the CEO of a sufficiently large corporation. One man lost out by having lied about the size of it's holdings.


    Specifically, the amendment states that an election will be reserved for candidates from a particular racial group if the previous five elections have not produced a president from that racial group. In Singapore, it's dubbed a "hiatus-triggered model."

    "Every citizen, Chinese, Malay, Indian or some other race, should know that someone of his community can become President, and in fact from time to time, does become President," said Lee Hsien Loong, Singapore's prime minister, last November before the new rule was introduced.

    Singapore hasn't had a Malay president since the country's first President Yusof Ishak, who served as head of state from 1965 to 1970. Subsequent presidents have been from the Eurasian, Chinese and Indian communities.
     

    Diversity is strength, it's also rigging elections to ensure racial peace. Ironically this is one instance where Nigeria does a better job at making something subtle rather than vulgar.

    It looks as if the resentment from mainly ethnic Han to this is significant. Increasing pressure and inequality along with heavy immigration pressure and PRCers buying up property has made people very unhappy. The last justification to this from the system was 'stop whining, you get what you're worth, everything is a meritocracy!', things like this seem to be a slap in the face of this.

    Diversity is strength, it’s also rigging elections to ensure racial peace. Ironically this is one instance where Nigeria does a better job at making something subtle rather than vulgar.

    “Diversity” and “Multiculturalism” are fundamentally incompatible with freedom, democracy, representative government, meritocracy, various Anglo-Saxon notions of fundamental liberty.

    There has never been any nation or state that was truly multicultural that had those things. You either have a ethnicity and cultural that is overwhelmingly and confidently dominant and expect minorities to accept it–as in the old WASP run USA I was born into–or you go “multicultural” and hence require authoritarian measures to try and manage conflict.

    Lee Kuan Yew’s experience round tripping through Malaysia taught him about the nature of ethnicity and politics. I’ve read some of his stuff and it boils down to “don’t do it! … it will blow you up!” Once you have actual competitive ethnic diversity then all politics becomes ethnic politics. (Lee says it better.)

    As I understand the situation, Singapore’s Chinese majority (75%) is financially, culturally and politically dominant. Lee’s PAP (People’s Action Party) has never lost an election. And is committed to keeping the wheel’s greased for economic growth and continued social peace. So it believes in meritocracy and in multiculturalism. It doles out the favors and whacks anyone on the head who is causing trouble including stirring up ethnic tension.

    The one thing they haven’t been able to solve however is the fertility issue. The whole place is urbanized and has sub-replacement fertility, with the ethnic Chinese the “sub-est” of all–near 1. Lee’s various propaganda campaigns to fix that have all been failures and kind of a joke. The Indians also have low fertility and even the Malays are below replacement, but considerably higher. The carefully screen permanent residents and presumably–I don’t see what else they can do–attempt to balance the immigrants to make up the gaps in fertility. But even Chinese from the PRC will be culturally distinct from the Peranakan–Chinese who’ve been around the straights, Java, Malay peninsula for generations, in some cases centuries.

    And Singapore’s Chinese must manage this whole dance with an eye toward not alienating Malaysia where their co-ethnics are economically dominant but a clear minority.

    “Diversity” is always a mess. Singapore doesn’t appear to be run by virtue signaling fools–like the West! So I think they are doing what they are doing to manage it reasonably.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    Lee says it as such: "In multiracial societies, you don't vote according to your economic interests, you vote according to your race and religion." Succinct and true.

    It depends on what you mean. The US survived for centuries as a democracy with several competing ethnic groups, for what it is worth, but it was never nearly as atomized as a society as it is now, nor as diverse. Moreover, multiracial societies that play identity politics games, especially if they are used as an ansatz for real solutions to deep rooted structural and economic problems, are living very, very dangerously. The polyglot Austrian Empire survived for century after century in spite of everything, surviving everything from the Ottomans to Napoleon. What finally took them down was competing internal nationalisms combining with structural decay.

    As for Singapore, you are correct. People often don't get how much of a miracle that the place managed to survive, let alone thrive, when you consider the circumstances of Singapore's birth and what they faced in the 1960s. One thing that Singapore really got lucky in was that the Old Order got replaced by the New Order in Jakarta shortly after independence, for example. Had that not happened, Singapore would have been in pretty grave danger. Lee had really good personal relationships with Suharto and Mahathir, his development-oriented authoritarian colleagues (who both came from the same generation that he did), which really helped matters.

    (Aside: thanks to Mahathir's policies, which ironically were aimed toward making the Malays "more Chinese" in terms of hard work and cultural habits, Malaysia isn't as dependent on the Chinese as they used to be. It's why they've still managed to blossom into a reasonably developed country, in spite of all the discrimination against their best talent. But that being said, the brain drain is really hurting them, and Johor Bahru is still no Singapore. Ultimately, Malay Singaporeans don't leave for a reason.)

    The newcomers don't even speak the same language as the original Chinese Singaporeans did, and the mainlanders have to drop some habits (spitting, etc) pretty quickly upon arrival. But assimilation isn't too much of a problem because for decades, the Singaporean government suppressed "old-time" Chinese languages like Hokkien or Teochew in favoring of pushing English and Mandarin. There's actually been a movement in Singapore among younger people lately to rediscover the languages of their grandparents. Still, I just don't think the Singaporean example (however successful and wise it is, in a lot of regards) is very relevant for the United States. They are a small city-state with a vastly different political system. And there's a huge difference between a modest proportion of Malays and Tamil Indians, and what the US and Europe have to deal with. The Tamils traditionally do just fine, no matter where they end up, and even the Malays are reasonably tractable, compared to some of their coreligionists elsewhere.

  65. @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    Tigers living in the Sundarbans, a vast mangrove forest at the mouth of the Ganges on the border of India and Bangla Desh, are prone to eat human interlopers in their territory. Recruit patriotic Indian tigers to chow down illegal Moslem invaders.

    Tigers living in the Sundarbans, a vast mangrove forest at the mouth of the Ganges on the border of India and Bangla Desh, are prone to eat human interlopers in their territory.

    The tigers of the Sundarbans are interesting. Apparently, they swim and attack fishermen in their boats.

  66. @nebulafox
    My mistake.

    I don't speak Bengali, but I do think "Bangla Desh" means country of the Bengalis, right? From some measurements, when you combine West Bengal and Bangladesh, Bengalis are the second most populous ethnic group in the world next to the Han Chinese.

    One of the reasons that East Pakistan encountered many economic problems was because the educated middle class in pre-Partition Bengal were overwhelmingly Hindu. (One of the reasons, I believe, that the Hindu minority left over in Bangladesh was targeted by the Pakistani military during Operation Searchlight in addition to religious sentiment. They wanted to eliminate the intelligentsia-classic move.) The majority of the population in what would eventually become Bangladesh belonged to the outlying peasantry, which was predominantly Muslim in Bengal. India also got the majority of the resources that the region had to offer, including the major port of the region. So even when Bangladesh got its independence from its abusive Punjabi overlords (they didn't even share an alphabet) in 1971, it still had to deal with all the old ills resulting from the Partition.

    To clarify, that was the case in Bengal. Whereas in the northwestern part of the country, particularly the Punjab-the other region that was hit hard the Partition-it was the other way around, with the intelligentsia/middle class being largely Muslim and the peasantry Hindu. Legacy of the Mughal Empire would be the logical cause behind that, I think, but I’m not Indian, so…

    • Replies: @rec1man
    Both in Punjab and Bengal, Muslims were low class peasants and the intelligentsia was hindu ;
    Very few of high IQ class like merchants and brahmins converted to islam
  67. @AnotherDad

    Diversity is strength, it’s also rigging elections to ensure racial peace. Ironically this is one instance where Nigeria does a better job at making something subtle rather than vulgar.
     
    "Diversity" and "Multiculturalism" are fundamentally incompatible with freedom, democracy, representative government, meritocracy, various Anglo-Saxon notions of fundamental liberty.

    There has never been any nation or state that was truly multicultural that had those things. You either have a ethnicity and cultural that is overwhelmingly and confidently dominant and expect minorities to accept it--as in the old WASP run USA I was born into--or you go "multicultural" and hence require authoritarian measures to try and manage conflict.

    Lee Kuan Yew's experience round tripping through Malaysia taught him about the nature of ethnicity and politics. I've read some of his stuff and it boils down to "don't do it! ... it will blow you up!" Once you have actual competitive ethnic diversity then all politics becomes ethnic politics. (Lee says it better.)

    As I understand the situation, Singapore's Chinese majority (75%) is financially, culturally and politically dominant. Lee's PAP (People's Action Party) has never lost an election. And is committed to keeping the wheel's greased for economic growth and continued social peace. So it believes in meritocracy and in multiculturalism. It doles out the favors and whacks anyone on the head who is causing trouble including stirring up ethnic tension.

    The one thing they haven't been able to solve however is the fertility issue. The whole place is urbanized and has sub-replacement fertility, with the ethnic Chinese the "sub-est" of all--near 1. Lee's various propaganda campaigns to fix that have all been failures and kind of a joke. The Indians also have low fertility and even the Malays are below replacement, but considerably higher. The carefully screen permanent residents and presumably--I don't see what else they can do--attempt to balance the immigrants to make up the gaps in fertility. But even Chinese from the PRC will be culturally distinct from the Peranakan--Chinese who've been around the straights, Java, Malay peninsula for generations, in some cases centuries.

    And Singapore's Chinese must manage this whole dance with an eye toward not alienating Malaysia where their co-ethnics are economically dominant but a clear minority.

    "Diversity" is always a mess. Singapore doesn't appear to be run by virtue signaling fools--like the West! So I think they are doing what they are doing to manage it reasonably.

    Lee says it as such: “In multiracial societies, you don’t vote according to your economic interests, you vote according to your race and religion.” Succinct and true.

    It depends on what you mean. The US survived for centuries as a democracy with several competing ethnic groups, for what it is worth, but it was never nearly as atomized as a society as it is now, nor as diverse. Moreover, multiracial societies that play identity politics games, especially if they are used as an ansatz for real solutions to deep rooted structural and economic problems, are living very, very dangerously. The polyglot Austrian Empire survived for century after century in spite of everything, surviving everything from the Ottomans to Napoleon. What finally took them down was competing internal nationalisms combining with structural decay.

    As for Singapore, you are correct. People often don’t get how much of a miracle that the place managed to survive, let alone thrive, when you consider the circumstances of Singapore’s birth and what they faced in the 1960s. One thing that Singapore really got lucky in was that the Old Order got replaced by the New Order in Jakarta shortly after independence, for example. Had that not happened, Singapore would have been in pretty grave danger. Lee had really good personal relationships with Suharto and Mahathir, his development-oriented authoritarian colleagues (who both came from the same generation that he did), which really helped matters.

    (Aside: thanks to Mahathir’s policies, which ironically were aimed toward making the Malays “more Chinese” in terms of hard work and cultural habits, Malaysia isn’t as dependent on the Chinese as they used to be. It’s why they’ve still managed to blossom into a reasonably developed country, in spite of all the discrimination against their best talent. But that being said, the brain drain is really hurting them, and Johor Bahru is still no Singapore. Ultimately, Malay Singaporeans don’t leave for a reason.)

    The newcomers don’t even speak the same language as the original Chinese Singaporeans did, and the mainlanders have to drop some habits (spitting, etc) pretty quickly upon arrival. But assimilation isn’t too much of a problem because for decades, the Singaporean government suppressed “old-time” Chinese languages like Hokkien or Teochew in favoring of pushing English and Mandarin. There’s actually been a movement in Singapore among younger people lately to rediscover the languages of their grandparents. Still, I just don’t think the Singaporean example (however successful and wise it is, in a lot of regards) is very relevant for the United States. They are a small city-state with a vastly different political system. And there’s a huge difference between a modest proportion of Malays and Tamil Indians, and what the US and Europe have to deal with. The Tamils traditionally do just fine, no matter where they end up, and even the Malays are reasonably tractable, compared to some of their coreligionists elsewhere.

    • Replies: @Triumph104

    It depends on what you mean. The US survived for centuries as a democracy with several competing ethnic groups
     
    Until the 20th century, there wasn't anything for the different white ethnic groups to compete over. There was no federal income tax and land was cheap and often free if you were willing to move west.

    The US was far more interested in oppressing ethnic minorities. White immigration and assimilation was encouraged in order to keep visible minorities down. Asians were prevented from entering the country with the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882 and the Immigration Act of 1924. Blacks and Native American Indians were legislatively oppressed for centuries. Richard Rothstein's book, The Color of Law, details many of the local, state, and federal laws enacted to oppress blacks. He also did an excellent interview on NPR's Fresh Air. (LINK)

  68. @Wizard of Oz
    Without seeking to disagree with your lament about modern First World breeding habits (my way of putting that aspect of your case) I must point to weakness in your argument. If Thirld World carers are immigrating for the money it is absurd to say that they won't care about the sources of their income dying. But you don't in fact seem to have a reality based view of human interaction. Many carers have a simple natural instinct to be nice to the weak regardless of whether they could relate like old school friends. Just think of many people's softheaded affection and care for animals. Loving and giving care is rewarding to many. Natural selection took care of that. (Think too of the genuine affection of black nannies' for white children in the South).

    Moreover the observation about visiting the graves and tombstones of white folk is surely a primitive hangover of no significance to generations who will increasingly behave with the sophistication of those who already scatter the ashes of their dead - if they haven't been given to medicine for translants or anatomy - and, if they create anything to memorialise the dead beyond family photos, letters and DVDs, do so with memorial lectures, prizes and scholarships or a charitable trust in their names.

    We’re talking about people who are too stupid to stop having more children than they can support. They will not put two and two together when whites are a minority. They will simply blame us for no longer creating the great living conditions that used to exist under a white majority and then violently persecute us because they cannot get blood from a stone in the form of propping up a useless mass of people who cannot create and maintain these conditions on their own.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    You remind me of a simple point I have got sick of repeating. Citizenship, or more precisely for present purposes the right to vote, is the key. Why shouldn't foreigner in large numbers be given the right to work now that unions are, with largely irrelevant exceptions, toothless, but not given the right to vote until (subject to some special cases) they have been net taxpayers for 15 years - with their family members likewise restricted. (OK you are going to a college in America after 12 years in American schools and your Dad has been a net taxpayer...).

    Adjust to something more politically realistic....but why wouldn't 70 per cent of people already qualified to vote agree with that?

    Do you think that sort of new citizen isn't going to be a considerable improvement on tbose already voting?

  69. @Anon 2
    Lots of countries with fences, e.g., Bulgaria
    and Lithuania in Europe, and several in Africa.
    Wikipedia has a list under Border Barrier

    Thanks for this info.

  70. Meanwhile in Illinois …

    A five hundred million buckaritos and five hundred pounds heavy John Goodman’s illegitimate son finally buys himself a childhood dream.

    Howard’schoice allows him now to prance around Nothingham Decatour , while proudly sporting law&order brass as a badge of honor-the only one he cherishes more than
    Order of the Aztec Eagle ….or maybe not:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4889066/Warren-Buffetts-son-interim-sheriff-Illinois.html?mrn_rm=als1

    Reminder for younger audience :

    Sheriff Buffet was Corporate Vice President and Assistant to the Chairman of Archer Daniels Midland Company from 1992 to 1995, Director of Archer Daniels Midland Company from 1991 to 1995.

  71. @nebulafox
    To clarify, that was the case in Bengal. Whereas in the northwestern part of the country, particularly the Punjab-the other region that was hit hard the Partition-it was the other way around, with the intelligentsia/middle class being largely Muslim and the peasantry Hindu. Legacy of the Mughal Empire would be the logical cause behind that, I think, but I'm not Indian, so...

    Both in Punjab and Bengal, Muslims were low class peasants and the intelligentsia was hindu ;
    Very few of high IQ class like merchants and brahmins converted to islam

  72. @Hippopotamusdrome
    Walls just don’t work.

    Show me an eight foot Bangladesh-India border fence, and I'll show you a Bangladeshi with a nine foot ladder:


    Bangladesh-India border: "Wall of Death"
    ... Felani, born in India to parents who were undocumented migrants there, was returning to Bangladesh to get married. But it was daylight now, and Felani’s father Nurul Islam was afraid.

    The local smugglers he had paid Rs 3000 ($70) to help him and his daughter across insisted however that everything was fine, and the two began to climb up the ladder that had been arranged for them.

     

    LOL


    Story continues:


    Nurul Islam made it over successfully. Moments later, as Felani reached the top of the 2.5m high fence, Indian border guards who had spotted them came running out and shot her dead from close range.

    “[The BSF shot] without any warning. I don’t understand why they didn’t shout anything,” remembers Nurul Islam, who has been relocated with the rest of his family to the Bangladeshi village of Ramkhana, near where his daughter died. “I wish they’d said ‘stop.’ If they’d just said ‘stop’ she would’ve been saved.”

    Felani’s lifeless body hung from the fence for five hours, in full view of Bangladeshi and Indian farmers living nearby. Eventually, the BSF slung her hands and feet onto a bamboo pole and took her away.

    It was over 30 hours before her body was handed over to Bangladeshi authorities and returned to her father. “They took her jewelry,” Nurul Islam said, sardonically.

    ...

    Human rights group Odhikar accuses the BSF of killing over 1,000 Bangladeshis in the past decade.

     

    Here’s a better source, on the Indian shoot-to-kill policy at the Bangladesh border:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/libertycentral/2011/jan/23/india-bangladesh-border-shoot-to-kill-policy

    Shockingly, some Indian officials endorse shooting people who attempt to cross the border illegally, even if they are unarmed. Almost as shocking is the lack of interest in these killings by foreign governments who claim to be concerned with human rights. A single killing by US law enforcement along the Mexican border makes headlines. The killing of large numbers of villagers by Indian forces has been almost entirely ignored.

    Yet, even The Guardian doesn’t follow up on this story. My guess: there is full momentum behind a global political movement faulting whites for the ills of the world. Noticing worse behaviors among non-whites would degrade and derail that narrative.

    • Agree: bomag, Sarah Toga
  73. @Hippopotamusdrome
    Walls just don’t work.

    Show me an eight foot Bangladesh-India border fence, and I'll show you a Bangladeshi with a nine foot ladder:


    Bangladesh-India border: "Wall of Death"
    ... Felani, born in India to parents who were undocumented migrants there, was returning to Bangladesh to get married. But it was daylight now, and Felani’s father Nurul Islam was afraid.

    The local smugglers he had paid Rs 3000 ($70) to help him and his daughter across insisted however that everything was fine, and the two began to climb up the ladder that had been arranged for them.

     

    LOL


    Story continues:


    Nurul Islam made it over successfully. Moments later, as Felani reached the top of the 2.5m high fence, Indian border guards who had spotted them came running out and shot her dead from close range.

    “[The BSF shot] without any warning. I don’t understand why they didn’t shout anything,” remembers Nurul Islam, who has been relocated with the rest of his family to the Bangladeshi village of Ramkhana, near where his daughter died. “I wish they’d said ‘stop.’ If they’d just said ‘stop’ she would’ve been saved.”

    Felani’s lifeless body hung from the fence for five hours, in full view of Bangladeshi and Indian farmers living nearby. Eventually, the BSF slung her hands and feet onto a bamboo pole and took her away.

    It was over 30 hours before her body was handed over to Bangladeshi authorities and returned to her father. “They took her jewelry,” Nurul Islam said, sardonically.

    ...

    Human rights group Odhikar accuses the BSF of killing over 1,000 Bangladeshis in the past decade.

     

    as Felani reached the top of the 2.5m high fence, Indian border guards who had spotted them came running out and…

    Well, I’d say she technically made it over the fence and out of the country…

  74. @War for Blair Mountain
    India has 250 thousand troops on the India-Pakistan border...

    How many Indian troops on the India-China border?


    And The Hindus get to come to America...breed....and the Hindu geneline gets to vote the Historic Native Born White American Majority Nation into a White racial minority within the borders of the US...and they taunt us...Preet Bharara's tweets....as they vote us into a White racial minority within the borders of America....So like, how do you feel about this?

    Preet Bharara is a protege of Chuck Schumer.

  75. @Anon
    Bedpans vs Tombstones.

    We are told that as white folks grow older(often without any kids), they'll need foreigners to come and work in hospitals and nursing homes to take care of aging/dying white folks and change their bedpans. So, aging white folks need young non-whites to take care of them.

    Now, there may be some economic rationale behind this.

    But this sounds like a totally gutless, soulless, and culture-less society.

    EVEN IF these non-whites do work at nursing-home jobs and take care of old white folks, it is ONLY FOR MONEY, not out of any kind of love. The fact is they don't care and when they old folks die, their attitude will be Good Riddance. And they will never ever visit the graves and tombstones of these dead white folks.

    Unless white folks have white kids and white grandkids, their death will purely be material. They will be living matter turned into dead matter and once gotten rid of, no one will care.
    In contrast, with kids and grandkids, there are visits to cemeteries. And that is the essence of culture and humanity. Animals have no sense of heritage, ancestry, or history. Humans do.

    So, even if these newcomers will come to take care of white folks, they will feel NOTHING for them when they die. They will never visit the graves and place flowers on them.

    There was a time when culture was measured and valued in terms of how future generations will remember the dead ones. Now, it's all about the NOW. Consume trash, be happy. Narcissism and Nihilism over Nationalism and Humanism. And as people age, just hope that some Filipino, Negro, or Arab will change your bedpans. And if you die, who cares? Just dead matter to be gotten rid of.

    This film STILL WALKING ends with the family visiting the tombs. Would any nursing home employee do that? Or care?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id7tXouypEE

    As US fills up with 'diversity'(which should be called MORE DIVERSITY), there is a serious disconnect between white heritage and newcomers. Newcomers feel NOTHING when they see white cultural heritage. (They used to somewhat when US had been Eurocentric. But the kids of new colonizers are told to hate whitey.)
    But then, even white folks don't care as their main culture is ephemeral but narcotic Pop Culture and their values are set in PC that says 'feel shame for whiteness'.

    If people tried to remove MLK statue or some Jewish monument, there would be a huge outcry. But there is silence as another Robert Lee monument is taken down.

    This is a soul-sick nation.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41284464

    there may be some economic rationale behind this

    Not much. I can think of ten better ways to care for the aged besides importing caregivers, starting with tapping the non-participating labor force, then moving on to those with do-nothing jobs pushing paper.

    But this is another example of people advocating for immigration uber alles. As with ag workers, we are “needing” on the order of a couple thousand a year to meet the need, but we are importing a million people a year to consume toilet paper and all the other not-needed things they do.

    This has taken on religious overtones, with immigrants as sacred totems one collects and burnishes to secure a place in Heaven.

  76. @nebulafox
    The real aim of the project is to try and stem the inevitable flood of Bangladeshis into India as the land keeps shrinking. It'll come, and the only way it'll be pseudo-halted is if the border guards are willing to shoot. Even though Bangladesh has done an admirable job of getting birth rates down, the demographic momentum is still there, and you've already got more people than Russia in an area the size of Louisiana. India already has millions of illegal immigrants from Bangladesh, and in a province-West Bengal-that really does not need them, both for economic reasons and because of the fear of communal violence. (The specter of the Chinese funded Naxalites don't help matters.) The Indian elite, unlike our rulers, are under few illusions about what happens if you don't quarantine off dysfunctional (and in their case, increasingly Islamism infested) neighbors.

    As for us? Trump should use this as a spade to beat the media with, ASAP.

    As for us? Trump should use this as a spade to beat the media with, ASAP.

    It’s not as if liberals could say “Why are you mining the primitive brains of the benighted heathen in Hindoostan for ideas?”

  77. @Saxon
    We're talking about people who are too stupid to stop having more children than they can support. They will not put two and two together when whites are a minority. They will simply blame us for no longer creating the great living conditions that used to exist under a white majority and then violently persecute us because they cannot get blood from a stone in the form of propping up a useless mass of people who cannot create and maintain these conditions on their own.

    You remind me of a simple point I have got sick of repeating. Citizenship, or more precisely for present purposes the right to vote, is the key. Why shouldn’t foreigner in large numbers be given the right to work now that unions are, with largely irrelevant exceptions, toothless, but not given the right to vote until (subject to some special cases) they have been net taxpayers for 15 years – with their family members likewise restricted. (OK you are going to a college in America after 12 years in American schools and your Dad has been a net taxpayer…).

    Adjust to something more politically realistic….but why wouldn’t 70 per cent of people already qualified to vote agree with that?

    Do you think that sort of new citizen isn’t going to be a considerable improvement on tbose already voting?

    • Replies: @bomag

    Do you think that sort of new citizen isn’t going to be a considerable improvement on tbose already voting?
     
    That would be an improvement, but governing by voting has pretty much been co-opted into oblivion.

    Immigration control has always polled pretty high; Trump rode it to the White House; yet here we are, again: ball gagged; leather suited; locked in a closet.
  78. Apu and the Kiwk E Mart

  79. @nebulafox
    Malaysia used to be over 1/3rd Chinese. Now it is barely over 20%.

    Mahathir's efforts to make the Malays "more Chinese" in terms of personal ways have been somewhat successful-after all, Malaysia is a reasonably developed country now, in spite of everything-but the brain drain resulting from the Chinese exodus and its the impact on Malaysia's economy is very severe. The discrimination against non-Bumiputera will come to haunt the Malays. And the Malay Singaporeans aren't fools: they can easily compare Johor to Singapore and figure out which one is still a better place to live in.

    Thanks, I didn’t realize that Malaysia’s Chinese population had decreased and so much. I’ve read about Chinese being refused university placements in favor of less qualified Malays. That’s enough to send the Chinese packing.

    I had wanted to retire in Singapore, but since that wasn’t viable, I considered Malaysia’s nearby Johor Bahur, but with all of the home invasions, the crime level there seemed almost as bad a Kuala Lumpur.

  80. American Border Patrol (http://www.americanborderpatrol.com/) states they have a patent that can revolutionize border control.

    American Border Patrol — May 7. 2017
    Radar, Sonar — now Seidar
    Two Arizona men have been granted a patent for technology that could revolutionize border security. On April 18, Glenn Spencer of Hereford, and Mike King of St David, were awarded U.S. Patent 9265594 for a “Barrier detection system and method” that can detect anyone who comes within 500 feet of the border — anywhere on the border. It can also tell the difference between people, vehicles and aircraft. It ignores other things like cows.
    Spencer said he and King have been working on the idea for more than ten years.
    “There is radar and there is sonar, now we have seidar — seismic detection and ranging,” Spencer said, explaining that the system acts like passive sonar, listening for seismic signals in the earth.
    Spencer explained that the use of ground sensors to detect people walking dates back to the Vietnam War, but this system is entirely different. “Instead of single sensor sending out a radio signal, we have a powerful computer that listens to five miles of sensors at the same time,” Spencer said. A person walking toward the line of sensors can be detected at more than 500 feet and tracked as the line is approached and crossed, Spencer said.
    The system, called SEIDARM for seismic detection and ranging mechanism, has been teamed with a small drone that is launched to investigate when an alarm is sounded. “Theoretically, we could provide the U.S. Border Patrol with images of intruders within two minutes of detection,” Spencer said. He said this could be done anywhere on the entire 2,000-mile border with Mexico.
    The system is buried and solar-powered and can be installed on the entire border at a fraction of the cost of a fence, or wall, according to Spencer.

  81. @Wizard of Oz
    You remind me of a simple point I have got sick of repeating. Citizenship, or more precisely for present purposes the right to vote, is the key. Why shouldn't foreigner in large numbers be given the right to work now that unions are, with largely irrelevant exceptions, toothless, but not given the right to vote until (subject to some special cases) they have been net taxpayers for 15 years - with their family members likewise restricted. (OK you are going to a college in America after 12 years in American schools and your Dad has been a net taxpayer...).

    Adjust to something more politically realistic....but why wouldn't 70 per cent of people already qualified to vote agree with that?

    Do you think that sort of new citizen isn't going to be a considerable improvement on tbose already voting?

    Do you think that sort of new citizen isn’t going to be a considerable improvement on tbose already voting?

    That would be an improvement, but governing by voting has pretty much been co-opted into oblivion.

    Immigration control has always polled pretty high; Trump rode it to the White House; yet here we are, again: ball gagged; leather suited; locked in a closet.

  82. @Chrisnonymous
    Speaking as a visitor, Malaysia is far preferable to Singapore.

    In Penang, I got up early every morning and went hiking by the sea, drank gin and tonics from the early afternoon on the front porch of my dilapidated-colonial-building hotel, broke to eat filet mignon and wine when the bats came out (literally, I waited for their sillouettes against the pink sunset to signal dinner), spent the evening reading, and went to bed when I felt tired. This cost me about $40 per day.

    Before Penang, I stayed in the Cameron Highlands, where I got shaved straight-razor style by the local Indian barber. I ate nasi lemak for breakfast every day at a local place, e-mailed in the morning, read from War and Peace or hiked around tea farms in the afternoon, and drank vodka in the evening.

    Except for KL, which was a hell-hole, Malaysia was the closest I found to a place I could just live forever without worrying about the outside world. Luang Prabang in Laos was the most magical place I visited in SE Asia, but it is 100% tourist industry. Malaysia hits the sweet spot of being pedestrian and exotic, comfortable and affordable.

    Singapore, despite visiting a British document archive, wandering into 28 Hong Kong Street by accident, and getting the most worshipful blowjob of my life, was a dystopia of monotonous vibrancy. It does certain civic services well, but I doubt Yan Shen has been there or he wouldn't be suggesting it as a model for the US.

    According to a survey, 42% of Singaporeans want to migrate, 21% aren’t sure and only 36% want to stay. Only 61% percent of the population are citizens, compared to 74% in 2000 and 90% in 1990. That is pretty much by design as citizens are expensive to educate and grow old. It is better to get a foreigner in their prime working years and send them away if they get sick or old.

    Prostitution is decriminalized in Singapore. It is primarily in Geylang and neighboring streets. Tour groups go through there and the health department makes inspections twice a week. Most of the prostitutes are foreigners.

    Singapore is almost as dog eat dog as Hong Kong. When Lee Kuan Yew was alive, poor elderly Singaporeans were expected to work if their meager pensions were not enough, if they had a pension. Most only have an elementary school education at best and don’t speak English or Mandarin. They would sell packets of tissues or work as restroom/toilet assistants earning S$10/day if lucky. Some worked in fast food or collected cardboard. Cardboard collectors sometimes were killed by cars – slow reflexes and hard of hearing. After Lee Kuan Yew died, the elderly poor started receiving an extra S$200 or so in their monthly pension, so they can now spend their final years in some level of dignity.

    • Replies: @3g4me
    @86 Triumph104: " Only 61% percent of the population are citizens, compared to 74% in 2000 and 90% in 1990."

    Wow. I knew there had been changes there but that is dramatic - almost like America going from about 85% White Christian European in 1965 to 59% today . We were in Singapore in the early '90s before they started importing a new people, and it was heavily Chinese. Not a particularly interesting place for "local flavor" (much preferred Bangkok even though the water was not potable) and the famed "western-style efficiency" was never more than a simulacrum, and a poor one at best. I recall warning my husband about jaywalking our first day there, only to witness hundreds of locals doing so. And I laugh every time I read about urine sensors in elevators in America - Singapore had those decades ago because it's hard to break the ingrained habits of older Chinese men. Same goes for public hawking and spitting. You'll read of authorities coming down heavily on someone pour encourager les autres, but it remained a widespread practice during our years there.

    Numerous Chinese Singaporeans went to the Anglosphere (UK, Australia, Canada, US) for college or advanced training, but they almost always returned and none of the Chinese Singaporeans I knew or spoke with (from my maid to local shopkeepers to professionals and businessmen) ever raised the subject of immigration with me, whereas that was merely a daily given in Jamaica.

    Sad but predictable that the wisdom of Lee Kwan Yew re multiculturalism and nationhood have so quickly been forgotten.
  83. @nebulafox
    Lee says it as such: "In multiracial societies, you don't vote according to your economic interests, you vote according to your race and religion." Succinct and true.

    It depends on what you mean. The US survived for centuries as a democracy with several competing ethnic groups, for what it is worth, but it was never nearly as atomized as a society as it is now, nor as diverse. Moreover, multiracial societies that play identity politics games, especially if they are used as an ansatz for real solutions to deep rooted structural and economic problems, are living very, very dangerously. The polyglot Austrian Empire survived for century after century in spite of everything, surviving everything from the Ottomans to Napoleon. What finally took them down was competing internal nationalisms combining with structural decay.

    As for Singapore, you are correct. People often don't get how much of a miracle that the place managed to survive, let alone thrive, when you consider the circumstances of Singapore's birth and what they faced in the 1960s. One thing that Singapore really got lucky in was that the Old Order got replaced by the New Order in Jakarta shortly after independence, for example. Had that not happened, Singapore would have been in pretty grave danger. Lee had really good personal relationships with Suharto and Mahathir, his development-oriented authoritarian colleagues (who both came from the same generation that he did), which really helped matters.

    (Aside: thanks to Mahathir's policies, which ironically were aimed toward making the Malays "more Chinese" in terms of hard work and cultural habits, Malaysia isn't as dependent on the Chinese as they used to be. It's why they've still managed to blossom into a reasonably developed country, in spite of all the discrimination against their best talent. But that being said, the brain drain is really hurting them, and Johor Bahru is still no Singapore. Ultimately, Malay Singaporeans don't leave for a reason.)

    The newcomers don't even speak the same language as the original Chinese Singaporeans did, and the mainlanders have to drop some habits (spitting, etc) pretty quickly upon arrival. But assimilation isn't too much of a problem because for decades, the Singaporean government suppressed "old-time" Chinese languages like Hokkien or Teochew in favoring of pushing English and Mandarin. There's actually been a movement in Singapore among younger people lately to rediscover the languages of their grandparents. Still, I just don't think the Singaporean example (however successful and wise it is, in a lot of regards) is very relevant for the United States. They are a small city-state with a vastly different political system. And there's a huge difference between a modest proportion of Malays and Tamil Indians, and what the US and Europe have to deal with. The Tamils traditionally do just fine, no matter where they end up, and even the Malays are reasonably tractable, compared to some of their coreligionists elsewhere.

    It depends on what you mean. The US survived for centuries as a democracy with several competing ethnic groups

    Until the 20th century, there wasn’t anything for the different white ethnic groups to compete over. There was no federal income tax and land was cheap and often free if you were willing to move west.

    The US was far more interested in oppressing ethnic minorities. White immigration and assimilation was encouraged in order to keep visible minorities down. Asians were prevented from entering the country with the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882 and the Immigration Act of 1924. Blacks and Native American Indians were legislatively oppressed for centuries. Richard Rothstein’s book, The Color of Law, details many of the local, state, and federal laws enacted to oppress blacks. He also did an excellent interview on NPR’s Fresh Air. (LINK)

  84. @Hairway To Steven
    Modi better get on top of this fast -- the Rohingya are on their way.

    Don’t worry.

    The wooden-headed dumb trash fools who run the EU will *invite* the totality of the Rohingya to Europe.

    Thank God for Brexit.

  85. @Chrisnonymous
    Speaking as a visitor, Malaysia is far preferable to Singapore.

    In Penang, I got up early every morning and went hiking by the sea, drank gin and tonics from the early afternoon on the front porch of my dilapidated-colonial-building hotel, broke to eat filet mignon and wine when the bats came out (literally, I waited for their sillouettes against the pink sunset to signal dinner), spent the evening reading, and went to bed when I felt tired. This cost me about $40 per day.

    Before Penang, I stayed in the Cameron Highlands, where I got shaved straight-razor style by the local Indian barber. I ate nasi lemak for breakfast every day at a local place, e-mailed in the morning, read from War and Peace or hiked around tea farms in the afternoon, and drank vodka in the evening.

    Except for KL, which was a hell-hole, Malaysia was the closest I found to a place I could just live forever without worrying about the outside world. Luang Prabang in Laos was the most magical place I visited in SE Asia, but it is 100% tourist industry. Malaysia hits the sweet spot of being pedestrian and exotic, comfortable and affordable.

    Singapore, despite visiting a British document archive, wandering into 28 Hong Kong Street by accident, and getting the most worshipful blowjob of my life, was a dystopia of monotonous vibrancy. It does certain civic services well, but I doubt Yan Shen has been there or he wouldn't be suggesting it as a model for the US.

    Taking a holiday vs. living long term in a country are two very different things.

  86. @nebulafox
    Well, it's an explicitly Maoist party that was formed at the height of the Cultural Revolution, so it shouldn't be too shocking. Top Naxalite leaders still to this day take refuge in China, and most of the Naxalite's weapons come from China via Nepal, which has its own very well organized Maoists. I'm willing to post links if you want. It's pretty much the sole existing holdover of what we might loosely term China's "Trotskyite" phase in foreign policy. Even during the final days of Mao's regime, China rapidly began to reassess its foreign policy: supporting Mobutu and the US against the USSR being one example.

    One of the first things Deng Xiaoping-with Lee Kwan Yew's encouragement-did in power was to cease support for left-wing insurgencies. This Deng did... except for this one. At the time, India's close alignment with the USSR meant that we didn't raise too much of a fuss, considering how helpful the Chinese were being with close-by Afghanistan in the 1980s. And yes, they aren't popular. Ever since capitalism took off and starting really improving the lot of tens of millions of Indians, combined with the unpopular specter of Beijing and typically heavy-handed Communist tactics as you alluded to, Naxalism's stock has rapidly declined with the Indian public. However, they are still a threat, particularly in West Bengal, which has traditionally been a strong bastion of leftism. Even though India got the more prosperous part of Bengal relative to Bangladesh, it's still a pretty poor place. One of many reasons why, again, New Delhi *really* does not want tens of millions of impoverished Bangladeshis swamping them.

    Fun side-story: one of the reasons Richard Nixon didn't trust Indira Gandhi was because although she publicly advocated the typical Fabian socialist position of the day for US operations in Vietnam, privately, she strongly encouraged America to stay and fight it out, or at least not leave Vietnam too quickly. The reason: the Naxalites. Like every other leader in the region, she was worried about an Indochina dominated by Hanoi becoming a launching pad for upping the insurgencies in their own countries. However, to be fair to her, this was at the height of the Cultural Revolution, when China was scaring the crap out of everybody, including North Korea and the USSR. Things changed immensely over the coming decade as Vietnam and China fell out.

    They still have some support among the intelligentsia, though– I remember fairly recently sitting through a film which was basically a Naxalite propaganda piece and being shocked at just how blatant it was.

  87. @Triumph104
    According to a survey, 42% of Singaporeans want to migrate, 21% aren't sure and only 36% want to stay. Only 61% percent of the population are citizens, compared to 74% in 2000 and 90% in 1990. That is pretty much by design as citizens are expensive to educate and grow old. It is better to get a foreigner in their prime working years and send them away if they get sick or old.

    Prostitution is decriminalized in Singapore. It is primarily in Geylang and neighboring streets. Tour groups go through there and the health department makes inspections twice a week. Most of the prostitutes are foreigners.

    Singapore is almost as dog eat dog as Hong Kong. When Lee Kuan Yew was alive, poor elderly Singaporeans were expected to work if their meager pensions were not enough, if they had a pension. Most only have an elementary school education at best and don't speak English or Mandarin. They would sell packets of tissues or work as restroom/toilet assistants earning S$10/day if lucky. Some worked in fast food or collected cardboard. Cardboard collectors sometimes were killed by cars - slow reflexes and hard of hearing. After Lee Kuan Yew died, the elderly poor started receiving an extra S$200 or so in their monthly pension, so they can now spend their final years in some level of dignity.

    @86 Triumph104: ” Only 61% percent of the population are citizens, compared to 74% in 2000 and 90% in 1990.”

    Wow. I knew there had been changes there but that is dramatic – almost like America going from about 85% White Christian European in 1965 to 59% today . We were in Singapore in the early ’90s before they started importing a new people, and it was heavily Chinese. Not a particularly interesting place for “local flavor” (much preferred Bangkok even though the water was not potable) and the famed “western-style efficiency” was never more than a simulacrum, and a poor one at best. I recall warning my husband about jaywalking our first day there, only to witness hundreds of locals doing so. And I laugh every time I read about urine sensors in elevators in America – Singapore had those decades ago because it’s hard to break the ingrained habits of older Chinese men. Same goes for public hawking and spitting. You’ll read of authorities coming down heavily on someone pour encourager les autres, but it remained a widespread practice during our years there.

    Numerous Chinese Singaporeans went to the Anglosphere (UK, Australia, Canada, US) for college or advanced training, but they almost always returned and none of the Chinese Singaporeans I knew or spoke with (from my maid to local shopkeepers to professionals and businessmen) ever raised the subject of immigration with me, whereas that was merely a daily given in Jamaica.

    Sad but predictable that the wisdom of Lee Kwan Yew re multiculturalism and nationhood have so quickly been forgotten.

    • Replies: @Escher

    the famed “western-style efficiency” was never more than a simulacrum, and a poor one at best.

     

    You must have been there a long time back. In my experience, the Government of Singapore is the best run organization in that country, and IMO is the new benchmark for efficiency. "Western-style" is no longer good enough, and frankly the West has been slipping these last several years (wonder why).
  88. @3g4me
    @86 Triumph104: " Only 61% percent of the population are citizens, compared to 74% in 2000 and 90% in 1990."

    Wow. I knew there had been changes there but that is dramatic - almost like America going from about 85% White Christian European in 1965 to 59% today . We were in Singapore in the early '90s before they started importing a new people, and it was heavily Chinese. Not a particularly interesting place for "local flavor" (much preferred Bangkok even though the water was not potable) and the famed "western-style efficiency" was never more than a simulacrum, and a poor one at best. I recall warning my husband about jaywalking our first day there, only to witness hundreds of locals doing so. And I laugh every time I read about urine sensors in elevators in America - Singapore had those decades ago because it's hard to break the ingrained habits of older Chinese men. Same goes for public hawking and spitting. You'll read of authorities coming down heavily on someone pour encourager les autres, but it remained a widespread practice during our years there.

    Numerous Chinese Singaporeans went to the Anglosphere (UK, Australia, Canada, US) for college or advanced training, but they almost always returned and none of the Chinese Singaporeans I knew or spoke with (from my maid to local shopkeepers to professionals and businessmen) ever raised the subject of immigration with me, whereas that was merely a daily given in Jamaica.

    Sad but predictable that the wisdom of Lee Kwan Yew re multiculturalism and nationhood have so quickly been forgotten.

    the famed “western-style efficiency” was never more than a simulacrum, and a poor one at best.

    You must have been there a long time back. In my experience, the Government of Singapore is the best run organization in that country, and IMO is the new benchmark for efficiency. “Western-style” is no longer good enough, and frankly the West has been slipping these last several years (wonder why).

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