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The NYT is running obituaries of celebrities who have died of coronavirus, with 28 so far. The average age thus far has been 66, which seems somewhat younger than the average age of NYT obituaries for other other causes. For comparison, I took the average of the first 28 obituaries I found for March 2019 and they averaged 82, or 16 years longer.

Obviously, these are small sample sizes so far, and there is selection bias of various kinds involved. But as this sample of NYT obituaries grows in coming days, some patterns might start to emerge since NYT obituaries offer a fair amount of information about each victim, although what those patterns will be I don’t yet have much of a clue.

I’m a big believer that old prejudices tend to contain a grain of truth, but this is a new phenomenon.

 
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  1. Anonymous[176] • Disclaimer says:

    Let the record show the worm turned in the Great Chloroquine War in late March 2020!

    Sanjay Flipping Gupta hardest hit.

    Tonight on Foxnews Ingraham the doctor named Smith announced replication of the Didier Raoult protocols: Zero intubations in patients who received both HCQ+ZPAK!!!

    IT’S OVER BABY. UNCERTAINTY IS OVER.

    Check out Ben Carson foreshadowing the good news….

    Carson said there is also some promise surfacing in New York City — the epicenter of the pandemic in the U.S. — using the combination of the drugs hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin to treat coronavirus patients.

    https://www.breitbart.com/radio/2020/04/01/hud-secretary-carson-quickly-evolving-coronavirus-treatments-could-change-landscape-in-the-next-week-or-two/

    ANOTHER STUDY CONFIRMS…

    The malaria drug hydroxychloroquine helped to speed the recovery of a small number of patients who were mildly ill from the coronavirus, doctors in China reported this week. Cough, fever and pneumonia went away faster, and the disease seemed less likely to turn severe in people who received hydroxychloroquine than in a comparison group not given the drug. The authors of the report said that the medication was promising, but that more research was needed to clarify how it might work in treating coronavirus disease and to determine the best way to use it.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/01/health/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-malaria.html

    The moron governor of MI has capitulated. NV tyrant is next.

    THE WITCH CORONA IS BEING ROUTED. THANK GOD.

    • Thanks: Clyde
    • Replies: @anon
    Maybe. Thats what I was thinking last week. But it doesn't work for the most serious cases. It has already been extensively used in the US for hospitalized cases, and people are still dying. It is already effectively standard of care in hospitals.

    It is being tested in clinical trials, so if it is a silver bullet, we will know.

    If it reduces severity when used earlier, it is much harder to test.

    If it must be given early, that would potentially require millions of people who would recover anyway to take it. If it works for people who need hospitalization, then we would be done.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    Still banned in the UK for use outside of clinical trials. We don't need no steenking chloroquine, as used by garlic-eating Frogs!

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/chloroquine-and-hydroxychloroquine-not-licensed-for-coronavirus-covid-19-treatment

    "Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine are not licensed to treat COVID-19 related symptoms or prevent infection.

    Clinical trials are ongoing to test chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine as an agent in the treatment of COVID-19 or to prevent COVID-19 infection. These clinical trials are still not completed, so no conclusions have been reached on the safety and effectiveness of this medicine to treat or prevent COVID-19.

    Until we have clear, definitive evidence that these treatments are safe and effective for the treatment of COVID-19, they should only be used for this purpose within a clinical trial."
     
    , @Dacian Julien Soros
    The doctor named Smith? If anything, the doctor named Didier said 0/16 patients that he treated were intubated when he skipped the chloroquine. The same doctor named Didier reported 3/80 intubations a week ago, and 3/20 earlier on.
  2. Statista reports that 95% of the deceased in Italy have been over the age of 60.

    • Replies: @indocon
    Actually the median age of dead in Italy I heard was 78
    , @RadicalCenter
    Thank you. That seems more useful than a mean age of death.

    I’d like to know the MEDIAN are of people whose deaths are ascribed to this virus.
  3. Anon[195] • Disclaimer says:

    Adam Schlesinger?! Died of Tom Hanks disease?

    He wrote the Beatles-esque theme song to “That Thing You Do!,” a 1996 film directed by Tom Hanks about an also-ran 1960s rock band; like the best Fountains of Wayne songs, “That Thing You Do!” had an instantly catchy melody, a twisting chord progression and plenty of wordplay.

    • Replies: @eric
    The only detail was that he died of "coronavirus complications." Does anyone know what that means?
  4. Cigarette smoking kills…

    Many of those older folks either smoked occasionally in their youth and/or were exposed to secondary smoke growing up. Despite many of them giving it up decades ago, that initial damage is still likely present. (Might be interesting if the majority of youth fatalities either smoked tobacco or weed.)

    • Replies: @Grace Jones
    "An unusually low prevalence of current smoking was observed among hospitalized COVID-19 patients (8.7%, 95%CI: 7.6-9.9%) compared to the expected prevalence based on smoking prevalence in China (30.3%, 95%CI: 28.4-32.1%; z-statistic: 22.80, P < 0.0001)."
    https://www.qeios.com/read/article/554

    "Finally, for some underlying health conditions and risk factors, including neurologic disorders, chronic liver disease, being a current smoker, and pregnancy, few severe outcomes were reported; therefore, conclusions cannot be drawn about the risk for severe COVID-19 among persons in these groups."
    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6913e2.htm
    Preliminary Estimates of the Prevalence of Selected Underlying Health Conditions Among Patients with Coronavirus Disease 2019 — United States, February 12–March 28, 2020
  5. @Art Deco
    Statista reports that 95% of the deceased in Italy have been over the age of 60.

    Actually the median age of dead in Italy I heard was 78

    • Replies: @Kronos
    Isn’t there a thing about many Southern Europeans lying about their age? That many (current) elderly overstated their real age to avoid getting drafted in World War II but kept the fake age on official documents.
  6. I’m a lot more interested in the data of who shit their pants the most in the face of Y2Flu. While the entire boomer alt-right hid in their closet Yale grad Alex Berenson batted like .970. If Ron’s IQ is 214 I can’t even imagine what Berenson’s is.

    Whose response to thenY2Flu was more in line with the realities of the disease. Lashequa who kept doing her thang and didn’t tank the US economy or Greg Cochran who shit his pants and demanded a complete shut down. I’m not gonna say sometimes IQ isn’t everything because Cochran’s IQ isn’t high. But it makes you think. As a non-boomer the NAMs had my back far more than white boomers.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    Keep in mind the concept of “GIGO” (Garbage In = Garbage Out) applies to humans as well as computers. I’ve always wondered if high IQ individuals could do more unintentional damage using bad info compared to regular people. (I believe N. N. Taleb touched on that.) Someone with an IQ of 100 with correct information may likely perform better than an 130 IQ person with bad info.

    But keep in mind, the high-IQ dissident right circles were/are far more aware that this virus may have been potentially made in a lab. If it’s a Chinese military bio-weapon that escaped the lab, that’s a

    major
     
    diplomatic incident on top of a global pandemic. (In that case, I’d understand if the MSM pulled a 9/11 switch and blamed Saddam (wet markets) while Saudi Arabia (Chinese Communist Party) escapes through the back door.) That makes calls for a complete shutdown more reasonable especially if the virus is still somewhat unknown.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/health/one-worst-coverups-human-history-msm-turns-gaze-chinese-biolab-near-covid-19-ground-zero
    , @Anonymous
    Not sure why you use the past tense, this is far from being over.
    https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    Cochran, Ron not alt-right. How many Pepe memes have they posted?
    , @Hippopotamusdrome


    As a non-boomer the NAMs had my back far more than white boomers.

     

    Wat?
    , @Hail
    "Y2Flu" is a good one.

    Lashequa who kept doing her thang and didn’t tank the US economy
     
    I've noticed Blacks are masked-up at a much higher per-capita rate than Whites. Has anyone else notice this?

    Blacks, though, are of course by far (no contest) exceeded by East Asians in propensity to mask-up. Easily observed probably everywhere on Earth in which appreciable numbers of East Asians coexist with other races.

    While the usual continuum of things is:

    "AfricanBlack -- Amerind -- European -- EastAsian,"

    it appears the CoronaPanic response-continuum, from my observation re: masking-up, has been:

    "White/European -- Hispanic/Amerind -- Black -- EastAsian."

    But this is anecdotal based on my observation in person. Would be curious to hear if others have noticed the same.

    , @Coemgen
    Ah, being "on your six" is not the same as "having your back."

    I probably shouldn't give you advice but there it is.
  7. Rock stars’ and rock failures’ median age of death is likely under 66 (Joe Strummer ECT). A lot of the NYT obits fifty something deceased were musicians and likely to have been no stranger to recreational drug use. Smoking weed is very damaging to one’s lungs and no asset against endemic influenza, but our immune systems will recognise the flu usually and you get a shot inoculating you against the top four hits in the Australian influenza season (the other year there was a one hit wonder from nowhere not one of the four, and lot a people got nasty flu even though they’d had the shot) The thing with COVID-19 is our immune systems do not see it coming.

    Once you have it, the probability of then dying from COVID-19 is age adjusted and AOTBE little different than that the odds of dying of influenza would be, if you got it. The current Bayesian probability of someone in their 50s dying of COVID -19 is much greater than them dying of influenza at present, there is no question of that. The flu is not like COVID-19? Yes and no. No, because COVID-19 is most certainly not equivalent to the endemic influenza which is always with us. Yes, because COVID-19 is equivalent to an influenza epidemic, which we have not had for over forty years. It’s the prevalence not any special lethality that makes COVID-19 a special threat.

  8. You can’t say it but what does your gaydar have to say?

  9. @indocon
    Actually the median age of dead in Italy I heard was 78

    Isn’t there a thing about many Southern Europeans lying about their age? That many (current) elderly overstated their real age to avoid getting drafted in World War II but kept the fake age on official documents.

    • Replies: @UK
    You're arguing that they overstated their age to avoid being drafted in WW2?

    That was 80 years ago! What age made you invalid for the draft? 40?

    I don't think there's any Italians claiming to be 120...
    , @Alden
    Spain’s very hard hit and wasn’t involved in WW2. Mussolini would have used birth certificates and school records for the Italian draft, not Mommy’s statement.
    , @Art Deco
    See here:

    https://www.historynet.com/conscription-age-northern-italy.htm

    and here

    https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=126393


    One says the common lower bound for conscription in Italy was age 20, the other age 18.


    Mussolini was removed from power in 1943 and fled north. Even if his makeshift government in Lombardy had been able to organize some conscription, people born after 1927 would not have been systematically vulnerable. There are supposedly about 120,000 men in Italy born prior to 1928. I doubt the odd minority of draft dodgers among them is distorting the statistics much.
  10. anon[255] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Let the record show the worm turned in the Great Chloroquine War in late March 2020!

    Sanjay Flipping Gupta hardest hit.

    Tonight on Foxnews Ingraham the doctor named Smith announced replication of the Didier Raoult protocols: Zero intubations in patients who received both HCQ+ZPAK!!!

    IT'S OVER BABY. UNCERTAINTY IS OVER.

    Check out Ben Carson foreshadowing the good news....

    Carson said there is also some promise surfacing in New York City — the epicenter of the pandemic in the U.S. — using the combination of the drugs hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin to treat coronavirus patients.

    https://www.breitbart.com/radio/2020/04/01/hud-secretary-carson-quickly-evolving-coronavirus-treatments-could-change-landscape-in-the-next-week-or-two/

    ANOTHER STUDY CONFIRMS...

    The malaria drug hydroxychloroquine helped to speed the recovery of a small number of patients who were mildly ill from the coronavirus, doctors in China reported this week. Cough, fever and pneumonia went away faster, and the disease seemed less likely to turn severe in people who received hydroxychloroquine than in a comparison group not given the drug. The authors of the report said that the medication was promising, but that more research was needed to clarify how it might work in treating coronavirus disease and to determine the best way to use it.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/01/health/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-malaria.html

    The moron governor of MI has capitulated. NV tyrant is next.

    THE WITCH CORONA IS BEING ROUTED. THANK GOD.

    Maybe. Thats what I was thinking last week. But it doesn’t work for the most serious cases. It has already been extensively used in the US for hospitalized cases, and people are still dying. It is already effectively standard of care in hospitals.

    It is being tested in clinical trials, so if it is a silver bullet, we will know.

    If it reduces severity when used earlier, it is much harder to test.

    If it must be given early, that would potentially require millions of people who would recover anyway to take it. If it works for people who need hospitalization, then we would be done.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    require millions of people who would recover anyway to take it
     
    If HCL/zpack/zinc combo genuinely helps the "mild" cases reliably that would start a virtuous cycle.

    Medical workers would use as prophylactic, not get sick>keep working>relieve necessity/urgency of current PPE supply problem.
    The easy/mild cases would be discharged earlier>freeing up beds.
    Hospitals would be less dangerous, physically speaking, as people discharge faster and there is less time spent loitering around accumulating viral load.
    Eventually most people would be prescribed the pills to take at home (in combination with the fast test kits) and only come in for serious symptoms.

    Then the actually severe cases would be more likely to have the care they need at the time they need it. But honestly I can't see any meds or therapy saving the 80+yr olds with comorbidities...

    Assuming these drugs really do work of course...
  11. @Kronos
    Cigarette smoking kills...

    Many of those older folks either smoked occasionally in their youth and/or were exposed to secondary smoke growing up. Despite many of them giving it up decades ago, that initial damage is still likely present. (Might be interesting if the majority of youth fatalities either smoked tobacco or weed.)

    https://youtu.be/Dvef2EjNF1I

    https://youtu.be/5fVtIY4rOlQ

    “An unusually low prevalence of current smoking was observed among hospitalized COVID-19 patients (8.7%, 95%CI: 7.6-9.9%) compared to the expected prevalence based on smoking prevalence in China (30.3%, 95%CI: 28.4-32.1%; z-statistic: 22.80, P < 0.0001)."
    https://www.qeios.com/read/article/554

    "Finally, for some underlying health conditions and risk factors, including neurologic disorders, chronic liver disease, being a current smoker, and pregnancy, few severe outcomes were reported; therefore, conclusions cannot be drawn about the risk for severe COVID-19 among persons in these groups."
    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6913e2.htm
    Preliminary Estimates of the Prevalence of Selected Underlying Health Conditions Among Patients with Coronavirus Disease 2019 — United States, February 12–March 28, 2020

    • Replies: @Sean
    “Italy is known for its enormous morbidity in respiratory problems, more than three times any other European country…”
    , @Mr. Anon

    An unusually low prevalence of current smoking was observed among hospitalized COVID-19 patients
     
    The thing about smoking is that beyond a certain level, the damage is cumulative and irreversible. Emphysema isn't something you all of a sudden get. It's something you develop from "your first cigarette till your last dyin' day". But it only gets registered as "emphysema" when a doctor enters it on your chart.
  12. @Sam Haysom
    I’m a lot more interested in the data of who shit their pants the most in the face of Y2Flu. While the entire boomer alt-right hid in their closet Yale grad Alex Berenson batted like .970. If Ron’s IQ is 214 I can’t even imagine what Berenson’s is.


    Whose response to thenY2Flu was more in line with the realities of the disease. Lashequa who kept doing her thang and didn’t tank the US economy or Greg Cochran who shit his pants and demanded a complete shut down. I’m not gonna say sometimes IQ isn’t everything because Cochran’s IQ isn’t high. But it makes you think. As a non-boomer the NAMs had my back far more than white boomers.

    Keep in mind the concept of “GIGO” (Garbage In = Garbage Out) applies to humans as well as computers. I’ve always wondered if high IQ individuals could do more unintentional damage using bad info compared to regular people. (I believe N. N. Taleb touched on that.) Someone with an IQ of 100 with correct information may likely perform better than an 130 IQ person with bad info.

    But keep in mind, the high-IQ dissident right circles were/are far more aware that this virus may have been potentially made in a lab. If it’s a Chinese military bio-weapon that escaped the lab, that’s a

    major

    diplomatic incident on top of a global pandemic. (In that case, I’d understand if the MSM pulled a 9/11 switch and blamed Saddam (wet markets) while Saudi Arabia (Chinese Communist Party) escapes through the back door.) That makes calls for a complete shutdown more reasonable especially if the virus is still somewhat unknown.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/health/one-worst-coverups-human-history-msm-turns-gaze-chinese-biolab-near-covid-19-ground-zero

    • Replies: @Clyde

    Someone with an IQ of 100 with correct information may likely perform better than an 130 IQ person with bad info.
     
    Change your likely to probable. Today's hi-IQs are not Renaissance men. They apply their hi-IQs narrowly to careers and making lots of money, while being un-read and lo-common sense on other matters. This is how you get the hi-IQ left wing loony.
    Yes, a generalization.
  13. Anonymous[921] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sam Haysom
    I’m a lot more interested in the data of who shit their pants the most in the face of Y2Flu. While the entire boomer alt-right hid in their closet Yale grad Alex Berenson batted like .970. If Ron’s IQ is 214 I can’t even imagine what Berenson’s is.


    Whose response to thenY2Flu was more in line with the realities of the disease. Lashequa who kept doing her thang and didn’t tank the US economy or Greg Cochran who shit his pants and demanded a complete shut down. I’m not gonna say sometimes IQ isn’t everything because Cochran’s IQ isn’t high. But it makes you think. As a non-boomer the NAMs had my back far more than white boomers.

    Not sure why you use the past tense, this is far from being over.
    https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

  14. According to the CDC, as of 2010, a 65 year-old had a life expectancy of another 19 years. Meaning, if you made it to 65, you could expect to live to be 84. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/2011/022.pdf

    So dying at 66 means, on average, giving up 18 years of your life. Or, to put it another way, a bit over 20% of your life.

    (Cue and @AnotherDad to say that giving up one-fifth of your life is a “great run,” and it’s nothing to upend the economy over.)

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • LOL: Mr McKenna
    • Replies: @Sean

    So dying at 66 means, on average, giving up 18 years of your life. Or, to put it another way, a bit over 20% of your life.
     
    Dying of COVID-19 means you were most unlikely to have another eighteen years left. It is important to remember that to be sickly enough to be killed by COVID -19, you would have been lucky not to have been already killed by respiratory complications from influenza which is endemic,

    Indeed, Italian homes are not very well heated in winter, and the recent Italian winter was mild, leading to fewer influenza deaths in Italy than usual. The flu is what finishes off the aged in many cases, even if their cause of death is officially age or heart failure. There were far more very elderly and debilitated Italians around to die of COVID-19 at the begining of this month than in previous years.

    DEATHS among those aged 65 and above during the coronavirus outbreak through March 17 had already reached the levels of the previous two flu seasons and were below the overall death total from 2016-2017.

    https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/iVtbKUnx60yQ/v0/800x-1.png

     

    , @Jack D
    This is just plain wrong and show massive statistical ignorance. We know that the virus does not randomly kill younger people, it mainly kills those with certain pre-existing conditions. Those without pre-existing conditions usually get a mild case or even if they get a worse one it doesn't usually kill them. At age 66, around 96+% of the infected survive, with those NOT surviving usually having certain risk factors which tend to reduce your life expectancy anyway. 18 years of life expectancy is for the general population, which includes both healthy and unhealthy individuals.

    Let's say you have a forest that was planted 66 years ago that consists of mainly healthy trees with some weaker, insect infested trees mixed in and the average remaining life of the trees in the forest is 18 years. Then a hurricane come thru and knocks down a lot of the termite damaged trees (and a few healthy ones too). Would you say that the life expectancy of the trees that fell down is 18 years just because the forest average is 18 years? Like a hurricane, Wuhan Virus is not a random killer - it targets mainly the weaker members of the herd. It's still a terrible and tragic thing but to say that it is cutting an average of 18 years of life from its victims is just plain false.

    Remind me not to hire you as an actuary for my life insurance company.
    , @Mr McKenna
    Thomas, I liked your post much better before a couple nyms were edited out. It's the first time I can remember seeing anything like that done here. Too bad, too.
  15. @Kronos
    Isn’t there a thing about many Southern Europeans lying about their age? That many (current) elderly overstated their real age to avoid getting drafted in World War II but kept the fake age on official documents.

    You’re arguing that they overstated their age to avoid being drafted in WW2?

    That was 80 years ago! What age made you invalid for the draft? 40?

    I don’t think there’s any Italians claiming to be 120…

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Italy ended consciption in 2004.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_service#Italy
  16. @UK
    You're arguing that they overstated their age to avoid being drafted in WW2?

    That was 80 years ago! What age made you invalid for the draft? 40?

    I don't think there's any Italians claiming to be 120...
    • Replies: @UK
    He obviously means the draft for WW2 and just hadn't done the numbers. Otherwise, he'd be implying that Italians had, upon reaching 18 or whatever, suddenly been adding however many years to their age to escape national service. This is nonsense. It is completely impossible as that might be 20 odd years...
  17. Anti V
    Lugol’s iodine in a glass of apple juice each morning. A few drops of the 7% or 10% Lugol’s in the juice, any juice but not water. Buy from independent eBay sellers like I do.
    D and K2 combo which you should be taking anyway. The liver directs D distribution. 70% and more of Americans have low functioning fatty livers. Thus you can take in as much sun as you like and the D produced this way will not be doing much for you — NOW Foods 5,000 units —

    A Is supposed to be very good for immune sys. Not currently taking it
    C NOW Foods Magnesium Ascorbate, it is 8oz of buffered C for $12. C is excreted quickly. Optimum is to take 10 little doses throughout the day. Straight down the hatch. If low immune and worried about Corona, then a great idea. The total daily dose is one teaspoon of Magnesium Ascorbate. I do this one teaspoon each day but more like via 5 divided doses.

    Lugol’s is what no one mentions for the immune system. Also a nuclear accident protective and an essential one.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h49Tk9Tg17g
    , @rashomoan
    Fine tuning: A few drops of Lugol's solution used in a neti pot each day to flush the sinuses and upper throat in addition to absorption thru the skin, 10k IU D3, Liposomal C (not immediately excreted if taken in excess), cod livers (plus the oil) for A and extra D3, natto for K2, Magnesium chloride (magnesium oil) applied to the skin (eliminates digestive effects of high dose magnesium).
  18. @Kronos
    Keep in mind the concept of “GIGO” (Garbage In = Garbage Out) applies to humans as well as computers. I’ve always wondered if high IQ individuals could do more unintentional damage using bad info compared to regular people. (I believe N. N. Taleb touched on that.) Someone with an IQ of 100 with correct information may likely perform better than an 130 IQ person with bad info.

    But keep in mind, the high-IQ dissident right circles were/are far more aware that this virus may have been potentially made in a lab. If it’s a Chinese military bio-weapon that escaped the lab, that’s a

    major
     
    diplomatic incident on top of a global pandemic. (In that case, I’d understand if the MSM pulled a 9/11 switch and blamed Saddam (wet markets) while Saudi Arabia (Chinese Communist Party) escapes through the back door.) That makes calls for a complete shutdown more reasonable especially if the virus is still somewhat unknown.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/health/one-worst-coverups-human-history-msm-turns-gaze-chinese-biolab-near-covid-19-ground-zero

    Someone with an IQ of 100 with correct information may likely perform better than an 130 IQ person with bad info.

    Change your likely to probable. Today’s hi-IQs are not Renaissance men. They apply their hi-IQs narrowly to careers and making lots of money, while being un-read and lo-common sense on other matters. This is how you get the hi-IQ left wing loony.
    Yes, a generalization.

  19. OFF TOPIC: Ellis Marsalis Jr., jazz pianist, teacher and patriarch of a New Orleans musical clan that includes famed performer sons Wynton and Branford, has died after battling pneumonia brought on by COVID-19, one of his sons said late Wednesday. He was 85.

  20. Anonymous[176] • Disclaimer says:

    This article provides details Dr Smith on Ingraham show. This guy actually declared the “end of the pandemic” based on his findings. Makes sense because remember the Didier Raoult protocols 1/ solve the respirator problem and 2/ reduce viral load which lowers infection rate drastically and 3/ kills the virus totally.

    This evening, a renowned infectious disease specialist Dr. Stephen Smith, said he and his team have treated over the 50 patients with hydroxychloroquine. Dr. Smith is the founder of the Smith Center for Infectious Diseases in New Jersey Tonight, Dr. Smith shared his findings among COVID-19 patients in an interview with Fox News host Laura Ingraham. He pointed out that not a single COVID-19 patient, that has been under hydroxychloroquine regimen, has had to to be intubated.

    https://techstartups.com/2020/04/01/hydroxychloroquine-game-changer-beginning-end-coronavirus-pandemic-infectious-disease-specialist-dr-stephen-smith-says/

    • Replies: @Clyde
    I tuned into Laura Ingram and saw that. Thanks to you and others here for the alert on her. How she is doing some great digging into this dastardly virus situation.
  21. A lot of those celebrities looked like they could lose a few pounds. Like Gen-X me……

  22. Anonymous[176] • Disclaimer says:

    Dr Smith is a great American!

    (Copied from freeper thread http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3830836/posts)

    THE SMITH CENTER FOR INFECTIOUS DISEASES:

    https://www.smithcenternj.org/

    BACKGROUND OF DR. SMITH:

    Stephen M. Smith, M.D.

    EDUCATION:

    1985 A.B. – Duke University

    Dr. Stephen M Smith

    1989 M.D. – Yale University School of Medicine

    POSTDOCTORAL TRAINING:

    1989-1991 Internal Medicine Residency, University of Virginia, Charlottesville, VA

    1992(Jan.-June) Internal Medicine Residency, St. Michael’s Medical Center, Newark, NJ

    1992-1995 Medical Staff Fellow in Infectious Diseases, National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, Bethesda, MD

    1995-1996 Post-Doc, Molecular Virology Section, Laboratory of Molecular Microbiology, National Institutes of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, Bethesda, MD

    1996-1998 Research Scientist, Laboratory of Animal Models of AIDS, Aaron Diamond AIDS Research Center, Tuxedo and Manhattan, NY

    LICENSURE: New Jersey Medical License

    CERTIFICATIONS:

    1986 Part I of the National Board of Medical Examiners
    1989 Part II of the National Board of Medical Examiners
    1990 Part III of the National Board of Medical Examiners
    1992 Board Certification Internal Medicine – 145346
    1994 Board Certification Infectious Diseases – 145346
    2004 Board Recertification Infectious Diseases – 145346

    UNIVERSITY APPOINTMENTS:

    1998- 2009 Seton Hall School of Graduate Medical Education- Assistant Professor, Internal Medicine

    1999- present University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey, Department of Preventive Medicine and Community Health – Assistant Professor

    APPOINTMENTS:

    1998- 2008: Program Director, Infectious Diseases, St. Michael’s Medical Center
    2000- 2008: Chief, Infectious Diseases, Saint Michael’s Medical Center
    2000- 2009: Medical Director, Peter Ho Memorial Clinic, Saint Michael’s Medical Center
    2009-present: Executive Director and Founder, Smith Center for Infectious Diseases and Urban Health, East Orange, New Jersey
    2009-present: Physician, ID Care, Hillsborough, New Jersey
    2010-present: Member, Board of Trustees, Essex County Medical Society

    HONORS AND COMMITTEES:

    1982 Phi Eta Sigma, Duke University
    1982-1985 Dean’s List, Duke University
    1985 Magna Cum Laude, Duke University
    1989 Nicholas J. Giarman Prize for Outstanding Medical Student Thesis, Yale University
    1999-2008 Seton Hall University, Committee on Graduate Medical Education
    1999-2001 Academy of Medicine of New Jersey, Committee on Graduate Medical Education
    2001-present Infection Control Committee, Saint Michael’s Medical Center, Newark, New Jersey
    2001-present Pharmacy and Therapeutics Committee, Saint Michael’s Medical Center, Newark New Jersey
    2001-present Newark E.M.A. Care and Treatment Committee, Ryan White Title I Network
    2004-present New York Metro Area Top Doctor Award, Castle Connolly, Category of Infectious Diseases
    2005-present AIDS Drug Distribution Program of New Jersey, Advisory Committee
    2006-present New Jersey State Board of Medical Examiners, Infectious Diseases Consultant
    2008-present Newark E.M.A. HIV Health Services Planning Council Member, Ryan White Part A Network
    2009-2010 Trustee, North Ward Center, Newark, New Jersey
    2010-present Trustee, Essex County Medical Society, Verona, New Jersey

    MEDICAL STAFF APPOINTMENTS:

    1996-present: Saint Michael’s Medical Center, Newark, New Jersey
    1996-present: Saint Barnabas Medical Center, Livingston, New Jersey
    2010-present: East Orange General Hospital, East Orange, New Jersey

    SOCIETIES:

    Infectious Diseases Society of America
    Infectious Diseases Society of New Jersey
    Infectious Diseases Society of New York
    American Society of Microbiology
    American Association for the Advancement of Sciences

    PATENT:

    Inventor, U.S. Patent number 6,541,003, Conditionally controlled attenuated HIV vaccine.
    Inventor, U.S. Patent number 6,521,739, Complete genome sequence of a simian immunodeficiency virus from a red-capped mangabey

    ADVISORY BOARDS:

    Elusys Scientific Advisory Board- 2005-2008
    Peregrine Scientific Advisory Board- 2005-present
    Koronis Clinical Advisory Board- 2006-present

  23. @Kronos
    Isn’t there a thing about many Southern Europeans lying about their age? That many (current) elderly overstated their real age to avoid getting drafted in World War II but kept the fake age on official documents.

    Spain’s very hard hit and wasn’t involved in WW2. Mussolini would have used birth certificates and school records for the Italian draft, not Mommy’s statement.

  24. Anonymous[334] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    Maybe. Thats what I was thinking last week. But it doesn't work for the most serious cases. It has already been extensively used in the US for hospitalized cases, and people are still dying. It is already effectively standard of care in hospitals.

    It is being tested in clinical trials, so if it is a silver bullet, we will know.

    If it reduces severity when used earlier, it is much harder to test.

    If it must be given early, that would potentially require millions of people who would recover anyway to take it. If it works for people who need hospitalization, then we would be done.

    require millions of people who would recover anyway to take it

    If HCL/zpack/zinc combo genuinely helps the “mild” cases reliably that would start a virtuous cycle.

    Medical workers would use as prophylactic, not get sick>keep working>relieve necessity/urgency of current PPE supply problem.
    The easy/mild cases would be discharged earlier>freeing up beds.
    Hospitals would be less dangerous, physically speaking, as people discharge faster and there is less time spent loitering around accumulating viral load.
    Eventually most people would be prescribed the pills to take at home (in combination with the fast test kits) and only come in for serious symptoms.

    Then the actually severe cases would be more likely to have the care they need at the time they need it. But honestly I can’t see any meds or therapy saving the 80+yr olds with comorbidities…

    Assuming these drugs really do work of course…

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    If Hydroxychloroquine works on keeping mild cases even milder that might be a way to get to herd immunity. But first we'd need a billion pills or so ready to dispense.
    , @Mr. Anon

    If HCL/zpack/zinc combo genuinely helps the “mild” cases reliably that would start a virtuous cycle.
     
    I certainly hope they're not administering HCL to patients.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrochloric_acid

    The recommended treatment seams to be this hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin (commonly called Zithromax or a Z-pak). But Zithromax is indicated for (amont other things) "community acquired pneumonia". If an anti-biotic seems to be working to cure COVID-19 pneumonia, isn't it possible that alot of the COVID-19 pneumonia is actually due to a bacterial co-infection?
  25. @Clyde
    Anti V
    Lugol's iodine in a glass of apple juice each morning. A few drops of the 7% or 10% Lugol's in the juice, any juice but not water. Buy from independent eBay sellers like I do.
    D and K2 combo which you should be taking anyway. The liver directs D distribution. 70% and more of Americans have low functioning fatty livers. Thus you can take in as much sun as you like and the D produced this way will not be doing much for you --- NOW Foods 5,000 units --

    A Is supposed to be very good for immune sys. Not currently taking it
    C NOW Foods Magnesium Ascorbate, it is 8oz of buffered C for $12. C is excreted quickly. Optimum is to take 10 little doses throughout the day. Straight down the hatch. If low immune and worried about Corona, then a great idea. The total daily dose is one teaspoon of Magnesium Ascorbate. I do this one teaspoon each day but more like via 5 divided doses.

    Lugol's is what no one mentions for the immune system. Also a nuclear accident protective and an essential one.

    • LOL: MEH 0910
    • Replies: @Clyde
    I watched with the sound off. Impressive!
  26. @Anonymous

    require millions of people who would recover anyway to take it
     
    If HCL/zpack/zinc combo genuinely helps the "mild" cases reliably that would start a virtuous cycle.

    Medical workers would use as prophylactic, not get sick>keep working>relieve necessity/urgency of current PPE supply problem.
    The easy/mild cases would be discharged earlier>freeing up beds.
    Hospitals would be less dangerous, physically speaking, as people discharge faster and there is less time spent loitering around accumulating viral load.
    Eventually most people would be prescribed the pills to take at home (in combination with the fast test kits) and only come in for serious symptoms.

    Then the actually severe cases would be more likely to have the care they need at the time they need it. But honestly I can't see any meds or therapy saving the 80+yr olds with comorbidities...

    Assuming these drugs really do work of course...

    If Hydroxychloroquine works on keeping mild cases even milder that might be a way to get to herd immunity. But first we’d need a billion pills or so ready to dispense.

    • Replies: @Clyde

    If Hydroxychloroquine works on keeping mild cases even milder that might be a way to get to herd immunity. But first we’d need a billion pills or so ready to dispense.
     
    Teva Pharma of Israel just donated 6 million to us. It would be great if they have the equipment to go all out on production. I know that we do not. Due to letting China do it for us. Because as a nation we are too cool to engage in such work. Blame Wall Street and the scum of DC for all the offshoring, especially of critical medical items. Antibiotics and others.
    http://nocamels.com/2020/03/israel-teva-donate-potential-coronavirus-drug/
  27. @Thomas
    According to the CDC, as of 2010, a 65 year-old had a life expectancy of another 19 years. Meaning, if you made it to 65, you could expect to live to be 84. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/2011/022.pdf

    So dying at 66 means, on average, giving up 18 years of your life. Or, to put it another way, a bit over 20% of your life.

    (Cue @Jack D and @AnotherDad to say that giving up one-fifth of your life is a "great run," and it's nothing to upend the economy over.)

    So dying at 66 means, on average, giving up 18 years of your life. Or, to put it another way, a bit over 20% of your life.

    Dying of COVID-19 means you were most unlikely to have another eighteen years left. It is important to remember that to be sickly enough to be killed by COVID -19, you would have been lucky not to have been already killed by respiratory complications from influenza which is endemic,

    Indeed, Italian homes are not very well heated in winter, and the recent Italian winter was mild, leading to fewer influenza deaths in Italy than usual. The flu is what finishes off the aged in many cases, even if their cause of death is officially age or heart failure. There were far more very elderly and debilitated Italians around to die of COVID-19 at the begining of this month than in previous years.

    DEATHS among those aged 65 and above during the coronavirus outbreak through March 17 had already reached the levels of the previous two flu seasons and were below the overall death total from 2016-2017.

  28. @Anonymous
    Let the record show the worm turned in the Great Chloroquine War in late March 2020!

    Sanjay Flipping Gupta hardest hit.

    Tonight on Foxnews Ingraham the doctor named Smith announced replication of the Didier Raoult protocols: Zero intubations in patients who received both HCQ+ZPAK!!!

    IT'S OVER BABY. UNCERTAINTY IS OVER.

    Check out Ben Carson foreshadowing the good news....

    Carson said there is also some promise surfacing in New York City — the epicenter of the pandemic in the U.S. — using the combination of the drugs hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin to treat coronavirus patients.

    https://www.breitbart.com/radio/2020/04/01/hud-secretary-carson-quickly-evolving-coronavirus-treatments-could-change-landscape-in-the-next-week-or-two/

    ANOTHER STUDY CONFIRMS...

    The malaria drug hydroxychloroquine helped to speed the recovery of a small number of patients who were mildly ill from the coronavirus, doctors in China reported this week. Cough, fever and pneumonia went away faster, and the disease seemed less likely to turn severe in people who received hydroxychloroquine than in a comparison group not given the drug. The authors of the report said that the medication was promising, but that more research was needed to clarify how it might work in treating coronavirus disease and to determine the best way to use it.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/01/health/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-malaria.html

    The moron governor of MI has capitulated. NV tyrant is next.

    THE WITCH CORONA IS BEING ROUTED. THANK GOD.

    Still banned in the UK for use outside of clinical trials. We don’t need no steenking chloroquine, as used by garlic-eating Frogs!

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/chloroquine-and-hydroxychloroquine-not-licensed-for-coronavirus-covid-19-treatment

    “Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine are not licensed to treat COVID-19 related symptoms or prevent infection.

    Clinical trials are ongoing to test chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine as an agent in the treatment of COVID-19 or to prevent COVID-19 infection. These clinical trials are still not completed, so no conclusions have been reached on the safety and effectiveness of this medicine to treat or prevent COVID-19.

    Until we have clear, definitive evidence that these treatments are safe and effective for the treatment of COVID-19, they should only be used for this purpose within a clinical trial.”

  29. @Grace Jones
    "An unusually low prevalence of current smoking was observed among hospitalized COVID-19 patients (8.7%, 95%CI: 7.6-9.9%) compared to the expected prevalence based on smoking prevalence in China (30.3%, 95%CI: 28.4-32.1%; z-statistic: 22.80, P < 0.0001)."
    https://www.qeios.com/read/article/554

    "Finally, for some underlying health conditions and risk factors, including neurologic disorders, chronic liver disease, being a current smoker, and pregnancy, few severe outcomes were reported; therefore, conclusions cannot be drawn about the risk for severe COVID-19 among persons in these groups."
    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6913e2.htm
    Preliminary Estimates of the Prevalence of Selected Underlying Health Conditions Among Patients with Coronavirus Disease 2019 — United States, February 12–March 28, 2020

    “Italy is known for its enormous morbidity in respiratory problems, more than three times any other European country…”

    • Thanks: Kronos
    • Replies: @Grace Jones
    “The discrepancy between rates of smoking in men and women are less pronounced in Spain and Italy than in China, yet the sex difference in covid-19 outcomes are more pronounced in Spain and Italy than in China,” said Sabra Klein, an expert on how men and women experience disease, especially viral infections, at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. “Smoking cannot be the primary cause.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/03/26/men-are-getting-sicker-dying-more-often-covid-19-spain-data-shows/
  30. @Sam Haysom
    I’m a lot more interested in the data of who shit their pants the most in the face of Y2Flu. While the entire boomer alt-right hid in their closet Yale grad Alex Berenson batted like .970. If Ron’s IQ is 214 I can’t even imagine what Berenson’s is.


    Whose response to thenY2Flu was more in line with the realities of the disease. Lashequa who kept doing her thang and didn’t tank the US economy or Greg Cochran who shit his pants and demanded a complete shut down. I’m not gonna say sometimes IQ isn’t everything because Cochran’s IQ isn’t high. But it makes you think. As a non-boomer the NAMs had my back far more than white boomers.

    Cochran, Ron not alt-right. How many Pepe memes have they posted?

  31. @Sam Haysom
    I’m a lot more interested in the data of who shit their pants the most in the face of Y2Flu. While the entire boomer alt-right hid in their closet Yale grad Alex Berenson batted like .970. If Ron’s IQ is 214 I can’t even imagine what Berenson’s is.


    Whose response to thenY2Flu was more in line with the realities of the disease. Lashequa who kept doing her thang and didn’t tank the US economy or Greg Cochran who shit his pants and demanded a complete shut down. I’m not gonna say sometimes IQ isn’t everything because Cochran’s IQ isn’t high. But it makes you think. As a non-boomer the NAMs had my back far more than white boomers.

    As a non-boomer the NAMs had my back far more than white boomers.

    Wat?

  32. UK says:
    @Reg Cæsar
    Italy ended consciption in 2004.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_service#Italy

    He obviously means the draft for WW2 and just hadn’t done the numbers. Otherwise, he’d be implying that Italians had, upon reaching 18 or whatever, suddenly been adding however many years to their age to escape national service. This is nonsense. It is completely impossible as that might be 20 odd years…

  33. Ed says:

    I’m simply flabbergasted that we shut down our economy for people that are mostly extremely old but also have underlying diseases. Many of these people that died had cancer or other serious ailments. The sensible thing to do was to keep those at risks of death home. Start a public health campaign on mask usage, washing hands and maintaining decent spacing in enclosed spaces.

    Anyway Bank of America is now forecasting an annualized 7% GDP reduction for the remainder of ‘20. Trump better come back to his senses soon.

    • Agree: Hail
    • Replies: @JR Ewing
    Every day I get more and more perplexed by this whole thing. WITH OR WITHOUT THIS VIRUS, OVER 7,000 PEOPLE DIE IN AMERICA EVERY SINGLE DAY and we have politicians acting emotional on television over a very small subset, many of whom were on their way out anyway. To put it another way, even without the coronavirus, in the three weeks since the hysteria first started, 150,000 Americans died anyway from a whole multitude of causes.

    This entire thing is a social media PANIC and all we're doing is allowing ourselves to be put into in our cages by the emerging police state... and thanking them for telling us to lock ourselves up.

    All of this news and panic is over a - still - infinitesimal piece of the total population. All I can do is shake my head and wonder at it all.
    , @Wilkey

    I’m simply flabbergasted that we shut down our economy for people that are mostly extremely old but also have underlying diseases.
     
    For the love of God, just shut up already. No informed person would disagree that the elderly people who will die from this are, on average, a net (financial) cost to society, or that many or most of them are probably close to the end of their lives, anyway. But they are human beings with children and grandchildren and it is rather callous to say “just let them die,” and there is no conceivable way Trump gets re-elected if he takes that position. It is too late for that, anyway, even if it weren’t an asshole thing to do. Trump has already committed to flattening the curve. Reversing himself completely won’t look very presidential, and is the wrong thing to do, anyway.

    What we have to do now is squash this thing as rapidly as possible. That means a shelter-in-place order nationwide, with no one but essential workers going to work. That means mass production of PPE so it’s available for everyone. That’s the only way to get this squashed out as soon as possible and get everyone back to work. We don’t need an R0 or 1.0 or 0.62. We need it to be as close to 0 as we can get it.

    This epidemic is not showing the Republican Party in its best light. There are too damn many Republican leaders out there acting like idiots, talking about “muh rights” and “muh economy.” Republican leaders in states where they barely won the last election (Georgia, Florida) and probably won’t win the next. The sad truth is that by putting off the inevitable they are only multiplying the economic damage that’s occurring. If we had taken these steps a month ago, including bans on international travel, people would already be going back to work. Now we’re talking about this extending into the summer, and maybe even into the fall.
  34. @Mr McKenna
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h49Tk9Tg17g

    I watched with the sound off. Impressive!

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    Naw, you had the sound on. It's your hearing that's gone.
  35. @Steve Sailer
    If Hydroxychloroquine works on keeping mild cases even milder that might be a way to get to herd immunity. But first we'd need a billion pills or so ready to dispense.

    If Hydroxychloroquine works on keeping mild cases even milder that might be a way to get to herd immunity. But first we’d need a billion pills or so ready to dispense.

    Teva Pharma of Israel just donated 6 million to us. It would be great if they have the equipment to go all out on production. I know that we do not. Due to letting China do it for us. Because as a nation we are too cool to engage in such work. Blame Wall Street and the scum of DC for all the offshoring, especially of critical medical items. Antibiotics and others.
    http://nocamels.com/2020/03/israel-teva-donate-potential-coronavirus-drug/

    • Replies: @anon
    Teva Pharma of Israel just donated 6 million to us. It would be great if they have the equipment to go all out on production. I know that we do not

    You know that?

    LOL @ doomers who never google. The announcement is from 10 days ago. Supply should increase in less than 2 weeks.

    https://www.dominionpost.com/2020/03/20/mylan-to-restart-production-of-possible-covid-19-drug-at-its-morgantown-plant/

    MORGANTOWN — Mylan’s Morgantown plant is restarting production of an anti-malaria medication that is under study as a potential treatment for the COVID-19 virus. The drug is hydroxychloroquine sulfate; the tablets are approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration for the treatment of malaria, lupus erythematosus and rheumatoid arthritis.
     

    Mylan said it expects to be in a position to begin supplying the tablets by mid-April. “With the active pharmaceutical ingredient that we currently have available, will be able to ramp up manufacturing to provide 50 million tablets to potentially treat a total of more than 1.5 million patients. The potential use of this medicine for COVID-19 related treatment is pending additional FDA and other regulatory body guidance.”
     
    , @William Badwhite

    Blame Wall Street and the scum of DC for all the offshoring, especially of critical medical items. Antibiotics and others.
     
    A lot of Americans just assume that somewhere in government there are intelligent and conscientious people that wouldn't allow something like this. They are of course mistaken.

    Having the ability to manufacture necessary medical (and other) items needs to be a strategic issue. Sorry if that means Donohue and his pals make a little less money, which leaves them less able to pay bribes, err "campaign contributions". Following a theme others have developed, the GOP is basically a whore owned by corporations. Sensible, normal Americans have no place to turn.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/03/26/tom-donohue-and-u-s-coc-beg-white-house-please-dont-stop-buying-from-china-well-lose-our-manufacturing-investments/
  36. @Anonymous
    This article provides details Dr Smith on Ingraham show. This guy actually declared the "end of the pandemic" based on his findings. Makes sense because remember the Didier Raoult protocols 1/ solve the respirator problem and 2/ reduce viral load which lowers infection rate drastically and 3/ kills the virus totally.

    This evening, a renowned infectious disease specialist Dr. Stephen Smith, said he and his team have treated over the 50 patients with hydroxychloroquine. Dr. Smith is the founder of the Smith Center for Infectious Diseases in New Jersey Tonight, Dr. Smith shared his findings among COVID-19 patients in an interview with Fox News host Laura Ingraham. He pointed out that not a single COVID-19 patient, that has been under hydroxychloroquine regimen, has had to to be intubated.

    https://techstartups.com/2020/04/01/hydroxychloroquine-game-changer-beginning-end-coronavirus-pandemic-infectious-disease-specialist-dr-stephen-smith-says/

    I tuned into Laura Ingram and saw that. Thanks to you and others here for the alert on her. How she is doing some great digging into this dastardly virus situation.

  37. My immediate impression is that the coronavirus is particularly hard on older B-list gays. “Celebrity” is a very subjective term, it appears.

  38. @Ed
    I’m simply flabbergasted that we shut down our economy for people that are mostly extremely old but also have underlying diseases. Many of these people that died had cancer or other serious ailments. The sensible thing to do was to keep those at risks of death home. Start a public health campaign on mask usage, washing hands and maintaining decent spacing in enclosed spaces.

    Anyway Bank of America is now forecasting an annualized 7% GDP reduction for the remainder of ‘20. Trump better come back to his senses soon.

    Every day I get more and more perplexed by this whole thing. WITH OR WITHOUT THIS VIRUS, OVER 7,000 PEOPLE DIE IN AMERICA EVERY SINGLE DAY and we have politicians acting emotional on television over a very small subset, many of whom were on their way out anyway. To put it another way, even without the coronavirus, in the three weeks since the hysteria first started, 150,000 Americans died anyway from a whole multitude of causes.

    This entire thing is a social media PANIC and all we’re doing is allowing ourselves to be put into in our cages by the emerging police state… and thanking them for telling us to lock ourselves up.

    All of this news and panic is over a – still – infinitesimal piece of the total population. All I can do is shake my head and wonder at it all.

    • Agree: Ed
  39. @Anon
    Adam Schlesinger?! Died of Tom Hanks disease?

    He wrote the Beatles-esque theme song to “That Thing You Do!,” a 1996 film directed by Tom Hanks about an also-ran 1960s rock band; like the best Fountains of Wayne songs, “That Thing You Do!” had an instantly catchy melody, a twisting chord progression and plenty of wordplay.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPMLG8mnCRM

    The only detail was that he died of “coronavirus complications.” Does anyone know what that means?

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    It means they've invented a vague and pliant new category to generate more numbers and more concern.

    I'm taking the WuFlu pretty seriously, but many aspects of the coverage and the response strain credulity

  40. “obituaries of celebrities” The list is not a list of celebrities, it includes a 48yr old nurse famous for dying of Covid. So the covid death list is probably a little worked toward younger.

    “average age of NYT obituaries for other other causes” That list would include people who died of old age, which means exclusively old people.

    This is the covid death stats by age from NYC.

    https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-19-daily-data-summary-deaths.pdf

    • Replies: @Barnard
    That was my reaction as well. Even with the addition of Ellis Marsalis today, it is doubtful anyone on the list had higher than 10% name recognition with the general public.
  41. @Anonymous
    Let the record show the worm turned in the Great Chloroquine War in late March 2020!

    Sanjay Flipping Gupta hardest hit.

    Tonight on Foxnews Ingraham the doctor named Smith announced replication of the Didier Raoult protocols: Zero intubations in patients who received both HCQ+ZPAK!!!

    IT'S OVER BABY. UNCERTAINTY IS OVER.

    Check out Ben Carson foreshadowing the good news....

    Carson said there is also some promise surfacing in New York City — the epicenter of the pandemic in the U.S. — using the combination of the drugs hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin to treat coronavirus patients.

    https://www.breitbart.com/radio/2020/04/01/hud-secretary-carson-quickly-evolving-coronavirus-treatments-could-change-landscape-in-the-next-week-or-two/

    ANOTHER STUDY CONFIRMS...

    The malaria drug hydroxychloroquine helped to speed the recovery of a small number of patients who were mildly ill from the coronavirus, doctors in China reported this week. Cough, fever and pneumonia went away faster, and the disease seemed less likely to turn severe in people who received hydroxychloroquine than in a comparison group not given the drug. The authors of the report said that the medication was promising, but that more research was needed to clarify how it might work in treating coronavirus disease and to determine the best way to use it.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/01/health/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-malaria.html

    The moron governor of MI has capitulated. NV tyrant is next.

    THE WITCH CORONA IS BEING ROUTED. THANK GOD.

    The doctor named Smith? If anything, the doctor named Didier said 0/16 patients that he treated were intubated when he skipped the chloroquine. The same doctor named Didier reported 3/80 intubations a week ago, and 3/20 earlier on.

  42. @Art Deco
    Statista reports that 95% of the deceased in Italy have been over the age of 60.

    Thank you. That seems more useful than a mean age of death.

    I’d like to know the MEDIAN are of people whose deaths are ascribed to this virus.

  43. @Kronos
    Isn’t there a thing about many Southern Europeans lying about their age? That many (current) elderly overstated their real age to avoid getting drafted in World War II but kept the fake age on official documents.

    See here:

    https://www.historynet.com/conscription-age-northern-italy.htm

    and here

    https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=126393

    One says the common lower bound for conscription in Italy was age 20, the other age 18.

    Mussolini was removed from power in 1943 and fled north. Even if his makeshift government in Lombardy had been able to organize some conscription, people born after 1927 would not have been systematically vulnerable. There are supposedly about 120,000 men in Italy born prior to 1928. I doubt the odd minority of draft dodgers among them is distorting the statistics much.

  44. At least the shocking unemployment numbers will draw some attention away from the various and perhaps spurious “grim milestones” of COVID-counting.

  45. @eric
    The only detail was that he died of "coronavirus complications." Does anyone know what that means?

    It means they’ve invented a vague and pliant new category to generate more numbers and more concern.

    I’m taking the WuFlu pretty seriously, but many aspects of the coverage and the response strain credulity

  46. @Clyde
    Anti V
    Lugol's iodine in a glass of apple juice each morning. A few drops of the 7% or 10% Lugol's in the juice, any juice but not water. Buy from independent eBay sellers like I do.
    D and K2 combo which you should be taking anyway. The liver directs D distribution. 70% and more of Americans have low functioning fatty livers. Thus you can take in as much sun as you like and the D produced this way will not be doing much for you --- NOW Foods 5,000 units --

    A Is supposed to be very good for immune sys. Not currently taking it
    C NOW Foods Magnesium Ascorbate, it is 8oz of buffered C for $12. C is excreted quickly. Optimum is to take 10 little doses throughout the day. Straight down the hatch. If low immune and worried about Corona, then a great idea. The total daily dose is one teaspoon of Magnesium Ascorbate. I do this one teaspoon each day but more like via 5 divided doses.

    Lugol's is what no one mentions for the immune system. Also a nuclear accident protective and an essential one.

    Fine tuning: A few drops of Lugol’s solution used in a neti pot each day to flush the sinuses and upper throat in addition to absorption thru the skin, 10k IU D3, Liposomal C (not immediately excreted if taken in excess), cod livers (plus the oil) for A and extra D3, natto for K2, Magnesium chloride (magnesium oil) applied to the skin (eliminates digestive effects of high dose magnesium).

    • Replies: @Clyde
    If you are a dedicated "D" man then taking cod liver oil will help it along, and vice versa. I have been skipping the cod liver oil. Thanks for the reminder. I will definitely try Lugol's your way but must buy the neti pot on ebay. Whenever at the ocean splash the salt water up your nose at least ten times. And more like 20. Tons of stuff will be blown out. _______Pour some peppermint oil in small teacup. Dip your pinkie in it then up your nose. Twice for each nostril, leave in place ten minutes. You will blow out lots of tasmic residues and don'ts. I do this in the morning when I have the time.
    10,000 D is safe?
    I have year old lypospheric C in my refrigerator. Do you think it has deteriorated 50%?
    Magnesium chloride...I have used this. My take is mag ascorbate has a better and faster entry way. I do not get the runs from it. With mag ascorbate you get C and magnesium at the same time, so win-win. I have eaten natto many times. But K2 from NOW foods is easier. I bought the large size last month.
    "When the world is running down
    You make the best of what's still around"
  47. Hail says: • Website
    @Sam Haysom
    I’m a lot more interested in the data of who shit their pants the most in the face of Y2Flu. While the entire boomer alt-right hid in their closet Yale grad Alex Berenson batted like .970. If Ron’s IQ is 214 I can’t even imagine what Berenson’s is.


    Whose response to thenY2Flu was more in line with the realities of the disease. Lashequa who kept doing her thang and didn’t tank the US economy or Greg Cochran who shit his pants and demanded a complete shut down. I’m not gonna say sometimes IQ isn’t everything because Cochran’s IQ isn’t high. But it makes you think. As a non-boomer the NAMs had my back far more than white boomers.

    “Y2Flu” is a good one.

    Lashequa who kept doing her thang and didn’t tank the US economy

    I’ve noticed Blacks are masked-up at a much higher per-capita rate than Whites. Has anyone else notice this?

    Blacks, though, are of course by far (no contest) exceeded by East Asians in propensity to mask-up. Easily observed probably everywhere on Earth in which appreciable numbers of East Asians coexist with other races.

    While the usual continuum of things is:

    “AfricanBlack — Amerind — European — EastAsian,”

    it appears the CoronaPanic response-continuum, from my observation re: masking-up, has been:

    “White/European — Hispanic/Amerind — Black — EastAsian.”

    But this is anecdotal based on my observation in person. Would be curious to hear if others have noticed the same.

    • Replies: @Federalist

    I’ve noticed Blacks are masked-up at a much higher per-capita rate than Whites. Has anyone else notice this?
     
    Yes. (Of course, this is only anecdotal as well.) Where I am, the vast majority of people are black or white. In other words, there aren't many Hispanics, Asians, etc. Also, there are over twice as many whites as there are blacks. So, even though I encounter a lot more whites than blacks, the blacks are far more likely to wear masks. Blacks wearing masks are more likely to be women than men. Also, FWIW, the whites in this area tend to be Republican voting/fairly conservative rather than SJW types. I wouldn't be surprised if the attitudes regarding masks varies with different types of white people.

    I will say that the very few whites that I have seen wearing masks at least appear to be wearing them properly. On more than one occasion, I have seen blacks wearing masks pulled down so that the mouth is covered but not the nose.
    , @keypusher

    I’ve noticed Blacks are masked-up at a much higher per-capita rate than Whites. Has anyone else notice this?

     

    No, in my experience the exact opposite is true.
  48. Celebrities? A federal judge, a transgender rights activist, a british diplomat, a nurse, a session musician?

    That is stretching the definition of celebrity.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    We're not even at Hollywood Squares level yet
  49. @Grace Jones
    "An unusually low prevalence of current smoking was observed among hospitalized COVID-19 patients (8.7%, 95%CI: 7.6-9.9%) compared to the expected prevalence based on smoking prevalence in China (30.3%, 95%CI: 28.4-32.1%; z-statistic: 22.80, P < 0.0001)."
    https://www.qeios.com/read/article/554

    "Finally, for some underlying health conditions and risk factors, including neurologic disorders, chronic liver disease, being a current smoker, and pregnancy, few severe outcomes were reported; therefore, conclusions cannot be drawn about the risk for severe COVID-19 among persons in these groups."
    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6913e2.htm
    Preliminary Estimates of the Prevalence of Selected Underlying Health Conditions Among Patients with Coronavirus Disease 2019 — United States, February 12–March 28, 2020

    An unusually low prevalence of current smoking was observed among hospitalized COVID-19 patients

    The thing about smoking is that beyond a certain level, the damage is cumulative and irreversible. Emphysema isn’t something you all of a sudden get. It’s something you develop from “your first cigarette till your last dyin’ day”. But it only gets registered as “emphysema” when a doctor enters it on your chart.

    • Replies: @Grace Jones
    USPSTF: COPD early detection "does not alter the course of the disease or improve patient outcomes." http://tinyurl.com/zsul5g7
    Tobacco Control's Giant Tuskegee Experiment - suppressing research, to blame smoking for COPD caused by cytomegalovirus (CMV) http://tinyurl.com/gsddcw3
    NHANES: 23% of COPD patients are never smokers http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16378780 because CMV is so common, not due to whiff of ETS
    As less wealthy people, smokers are more likely to have CMV infection, causing confounding http://tinyurl.com/gnlnrcy
    Research on the role of infection in COPD is almost nonexistent. Most of that which exists is focused on trying to find some way of implicating smoking.
  50. @Thomas
    According to the CDC, as of 2010, a 65 year-old had a life expectancy of another 19 years. Meaning, if you made it to 65, you could expect to live to be 84. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/2011/022.pdf

    So dying at 66 means, on average, giving up 18 years of your life. Or, to put it another way, a bit over 20% of your life.

    (Cue @Jack D and @AnotherDad to say that giving up one-fifth of your life is a "great run," and it's nothing to upend the economy over.)

    This is just plain wrong and show massive statistical ignorance. We know that the virus does not randomly kill younger people, it mainly kills those with certain pre-existing conditions. Those without pre-existing conditions usually get a mild case or even if they get a worse one it doesn’t usually kill them. At age 66, around 96+% of the infected survive, with those NOT surviving usually having certain risk factors which tend to reduce your life expectancy anyway. 18 years of life expectancy is for the general population, which includes both healthy and unhealthy individuals.

    Let’s say you have a forest that was planted 66 years ago that consists of mainly healthy trees with some weaker, insect infested trees mixed in and the average remaining life of the trees in the forest is 18 years. Then a hurricane come thru and knocks down a lot of the termite damaged trees (and a few healthy ones too). Would you say that the life expectancy of the trees that fell down is 18 years just because the forest average is 18 years? Like a hurricane, Wuhan Virus is not a random killer – it targets mainly the weaker members of the herd. It’s still a terrible and tragic thing but to say that it is cutting an average of 18 years of life from its victims is just plain false.

    Remind me not to hire you as an actuary for my life insurance company.

  51. @Anonymous

    require millions of people who would recover anyway to take it
     
    If HCL/zpack/zinc combo genuinely helps the "mild" cases reliably that would start a virtuous cycle.

    Medical workers would use as prophylactic, not get sick>keep working>relieve necessity/urgency of current PPE supply problem.
    The easy/mild cases would be discharged earlier>freeing up beds.
    Hospitals would be less dangerous, physically speaking, as people discharge faster and there is less time spent loitering around accumulating viral load.
    Eventually most people would be prescribed the pills to take at home (in combination with the fast test kits) and only come in for serious symptoms.

    Then the actually severe cases would be more likely to have the care they need at the time they need it. But honestly I can't see any meds or therapy saving the 80+yr olds with comorbidities...

    Assuming these drugs really do work of course...

    If HCL/zpack/zinc combo genuinely helps the “mild” cases reliably that would start a virtuous cycle.

    I certainly hope they’re not administering HCL to patients.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrochloric_acid

    The recommended treatment seams to be this hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin (commonly called Zithromax or a Z-pak). But Zithromax is indicated for (amont other things) “community acquired pneumonia”. If an anti-biotic seems to be working to cure COVID-19 pneumonia, isn’t it possible that alot of the COVID-19 pneumonia is actually due to a bacterial co-infection?

    • Replies: @Hibernian

    I certainly hope they’re not administering HCL to patients.
     
    It is naturally present in the stomach in dilute form.
  52. Off topic, according to US Energy Information Administration web site, US (contiguous-48) electricity consumption was 10% lower yesterday than the same date a year before. Typically, usage divides up as 38% residential, 36% commercial, 26% industrial. I can’t find a breakdown like that for yesterday. A lot of very interesting data available:

    https://www.eia.gov/beta/electricity/gridmonitor/dashboard/electric_overview/US48/US48

    Has a great map you can click on to drill down regionally.

  53. @Sean
    “Italy is known for its enormous morbidity in respiratory problems, more than three times any other European country…”

    “The discrepancy between rates of smoking in men and women are less pronounced in Spain and Italy than in China, yet the sex difference in covid-19 outcomes are more pronounced in Spain and Italy than in China,” said Sabra Klein, an expert on how men and women experience disease, especially viral infections, at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. “Smoking cannot be the primary cause.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/03/26/men-are-getting-sicker-dying-more-often-covid-19-spain-data-shows/

    • Replies: @Sean
    China has not released the crucially necessary full dataset to Western epidemiologists for them to be able to draw conclusions, design evidence based strategies, and save round-eye lives. They are reduced to trying to infer facts about the outbreak in Wuhan from the reports that Xi visited the city.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19337056
    Hardcore smoking among Italian men and women.

    Hardcore smokers are described as heavy smokers who have not attempted to quit and have no future intentions to quit. The objectives of this study were to characterize hardcore and nonhardcore smokers in Italy. The data for this analysis were collected from 3057 Italians aged 15 years and older in March and April 2007 who were randomly selected to be representative of the population. [...] The smoking prevalence overall was 23.5% (27.9% among males and 19.3% among females). An estimated 7.8% of individuals were hardcore smokers (9.7% among males and 6% among females), which translates into 33.1% of all smokers in Italy. ... This is the highest prevalence of hardcore smoking that has been reported in the literature to date.
     

  54. @Ed
    I’m simply flabbergasted that we shut down our economy for people that are mostly extremely old but also have underlying diseases. Many of these people that died had cancer or other serious ailments. The sensible thing to do was to keep those at risks of death home. Start a public health campaign on mask usage, washing hands and maintaining decent spacing in enclosed spaces.

    Anyway Bank of America is now forecasting an annualized 7% GDP reduction for the remainder of ‘20. Trump better come back to his senses soon.

    I’m simply flabbergasted that we shut down our economy for people that are mostly extremely old but also have underlying diseases.

    For the love of God, just shut up already. No informed person would disagree that the elderly people who will die from this are, on average, a net (financial) cost to society, or that many or most of them are probably close to the end of their lives, anyway. But they are human beings with children and grandchildren and it is rather callous to say “just let them die,” and there is no conceivable way Trump gets re-elected if he takes that position. It is too late for that, anyway, even if it weren’t an asshole thing to do. Trump has already committed to flattening the curve. Reversing himself completely won’t look very presidential, and is the wrong thing to do, anyway.

    What we have to do now is squash this thing as rapidly as possible. That means a shelter-in-place order nationwide, with no one but essential workers going to work. That means mass production of PPE so it’s available for everyone. That’s the only way to get this squashed out as soon as possible and get everyone back to work. We don’t need an R0 or 1.0 or 0.62. We need it to be as close to 0 as we can get it.

    This epidemic is not showing the Republican Party in its best light. There are too damn many Republican leaders out there acting like idiots, talking about “muh rights” and “muh economy.” Republican leaders in states where they barely won the last election (Georgia, Florida) and probably won’t win the next. The sad truth is that by putting off the inevitable they are only multiplying the economic damage that’s occurring. If we had taken these steps a month ago, including bans on international travel, people would already be going back to work. Now we’re talking about this extending into the summer, and maybe even into the fall.

    • Replies: @Hibernian

    But they are human beings with children and grandchildren and it is rather callous to say “just let them die"...
     
    It is callous to say to of who are losing their jobs, "Let them eat unemployment benefits," so that people, in very poor health already, can live a few months, or weeks, longer. The potential suicide and drug overdose victims of the next decade are also human beings with families.
  55. @Grace Jones
    “The discrepancy between rates of smoking in men and women are less pronounced in Spain and Italy than in China, yet the sex difference in covid-19 outcomes are more pronounced in Spain and Italy than in China,” said Sabra Klein, an expert on how men and women experience disease, especially viral infections, at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. “Smoking cannot be the primary cause.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/03/26/men-are-getting-sicker-dying-more-often-covid-19-spain-data-shows/

    China has not released the crucially necessary full dataset to Western epidemiologists for them to be able to draw conclusions, design evidence based strategies, and save round-eye lives. They are reduced to trying to infer facts about the outbreak in Wuhan from the reports that Xi visited the city.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19337056
    Hardcore smoking among Italian men and women.

    Hardcore smokers are described as heavy smokers who have not attempted to quit and have no future intentions to quit. The objectives of this study were to characterize hardcore and nonhardcore smokers in Italy. The data for this analysis were collected from 3057 Italians aged 15 years and older in March and April 2007 who were randomly selected to be representative of the population. […] The smoking prevalence overall was 23.5% (27.9% among males and 19.3% among females). An estimated 7.8% of individuals were hardcore smokers (9.7% among males and 6% among females), which translates into 33.1% of all smokers in Italy. … This is the highest prevalence of hardcore smoking that has been reported in the literature to date.

  56. anon[115] • Disclaimer says:
    @Clyde

    If Hydroxychloroquine works on keeping mild cases even milder that might be a way to get to herd immunity. But first we’d need a billion pills or so ready to dispense.
     
    Teva Pharma of Israel just donated 6 million to us. It would be great if they have the equipment to go all out on production. I know that we do not. Due to letting China do it for us. Because as a nation we are too cool to engage in such work. Blame Wall Street and the scum of DC for all the offshoring, especially of critical medical items. Antibiotics and others.
    http://nocamels.com/2020/03/israel-teva-donate-potential-coronavirus-drug/

    Teva Pharma of Israel just donated 6 million to us. It would be great if they have the equipment to go all out on production. I know that we do not

    You know that?

    LOL @ doomers who never google. The announcement is from 10 days ago. Supply should increase in less than 2 weeks.

    https://www.dominionpost.com/2020/03/20/mylan-to-restart-production-of-possible-covid-19-drug-at-its-morgantown-plant/

    MORGANTOWN — Mylan’s Morgantown plant is restarting production of an anti-malaria medication that is under study as a potential treatment for the COVID-19 virus. The drug is hydroxychloroquine sulfate; the tablets are approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration for the treatment of malaria, lupus erythematosus and rheumatoid arthritis.

    Mylan said it expects to be in a position to begin supplying the tablets by mid-April. “With the active pharmaceutical ingredient that we currently have available, will be able to ramp up manufacturing to provide 50 million tablets to potentially treat a total of more than 1.5 million patients. The potential use of this medicine for COVID-19 related treatment is pending additional FDA and other regulatory body guidance.”

  57. @George
    "obituaries of celebrities" The list is not a list of celebrities, it includes a 48yr old nurse famous for dying of Covid. So the covid death list is probably a little worked toward younger.

    "average age of NYT obituaries for other other causes" That list would include people who died of old age, which means exclusively old people.

    This is the covid death stats by age from NYC.

    https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-19-daily-data-summary-deaths.pdf

    That was my reaction as well. Even with the addition of Ellis Marsalis today, it is doubtful anyone on the list had higher than 10% name recognition with the general public.

  58. @Hail
    "Y2Flu" is a good one.

    Lashequa who kept doing her thang and didn’t tank the US economy
     
    I've noticed Blacks are masked-up at a much higher per-capita rate than Whites. Has anyone else notice this?

    Blacks, though, are of course by far (no contest) exceeded by East Asians in propensity to mask-up. Easily observed probably everywhere on Earth in which appreciable numbers of East Asians coexist with other races.

    While the usual continuum of things is:

    "AfricanBlack -- Amerind -- European -- EastAsian,"

    it appears the CoronaPanic response-continuum, from my observation re: masking-up, has been:

    "White/European -- Hispanic/Amerind -- Black -- EastAsian."

    But this is anecdotal based on my observation in person. Would be curious to hear if others have noticed the same.

    I’ve noticed Blacks are masked-up at a much higher per-capita rate than Whites. Has anyone else notice this?

    Yes. (Of course, this is only anecdotal as well.) Where I am, the vast majority of people are black or white. In other words, there aren’t many Hispanics, Asians, etc. Also, there are over twice as many whites as there are blacks. So, even though I encounter a lot more whites than blacks, the blacks are far more likely to wear masks. Blacks wearing masks are more likely to be women than men. Also, FWIW, the whites in this area tend to be Republican voting/fairly conservative rather than SJW types. I wouldn’t be surprised if the attitudes regarding masks varies with different types of white people.

    I will say that the very few whites that I have seen wearing masks at least appear to be wearing them properly. On more than one occasion, I have seen blacks wearing masks pulled down so that the mouth is covered but not the nose.

  59. @rashomoan
    Fine tuning: A few drops of Lugol's solution used in a neti pot each day to flush the sinuses and upper throat in addition to absorption thru the skin, 10k IU D3, Liposomal C (not immediately excreted if taken in excess), cod livers (plus the oil) for A and extra D3, natto for K2, Magnesium chloride (magnesium oil) applied to the skin (eliminates digestive effects of high dose magnesium).

    If you are a dedicated “D” man then taking cod liver oil will help it along, and vice versa. I have been skipping the cod liver oil. Thanks for the reminder. I will definitely try Lugol’s your way but must buy the neti pot on ebay. Whenever at the ocean splash the salt water up your nose at least ten times. And more like 20. Tons of stuff will be blown out. _______Pour some peppermint oil in small teacup. Dip your pinkie in it then up your nose. Twice for each nostril, leave in place ten minutes. You will blow out lots of tasmic residues and don’ts. I do this in the morning when I have the time.
    10,000 D is safe?
    I have year old lypospheric C in my refrigerator. Do you think it has deteriorated 50%?
    Magnesium chloride…I have used this. My take is mag ascorbate has a better and faster entry way. I do not get the runs from it. With mag ascorbate you get C and magnesium at the same time, so win-win. I have eaten natto many times. But K2 from NOW foods is easier. I bought the large size last month.
    “When the world is running down
    You make the best of what’s still around”

  60. Hey Steve; how about putting this in a csv or gdoc for nerds who want to know what the median age and first quantile is.

  61. @Clyde

    If Hydroxychloroquine works on keeping mild cases even milder that might be a way to get to herd immunity. But first we’d need a billion pills or so ready to dispense.
     
    Teva Pharma of Israel just donated 6 million to us. It would be great if they have the equipment to go all out on production. I know that we do not. Due to letting China do it for us. Because as a nation we are too cool to engage in such work. Blame Wall Street and the scum of DC for all the offshoring, especially of critical medical items. Antibiotics and others.
    http://nocamels.com/2020/03/israel-teva-donate-potential-coronavirus-drug/

    Blame Wall Street and the scum of DC for all the offshoring, especially of critical medical items. Antibiotics and others.

    A lot of Americans just assume that somewhere in government there are intelligent and conscientious people that wouldn’t allow something like this. They are of course mistaken.

    Having the ability to manufacture necessary medical (and other) items needs to be a strategic issue. Sorry if that means Donohue and his pals make a little less money, which leaves them less able to pay bribes, err “campaign contributions”. Following a theme others have developed, the GOP is basically a whore owned by corporations. Sensible, normal Americans have no place to turn.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/03/26/tom-donohue-and-u-s-coc-beg-white-house-please-dont-stop-buying-from-china-well-lose-our-manufacturing-investments/

    • Replies: @Wilkey

    Following a theme others have developed, the GOP is basically a whore owned by corporations. Sensible, normal Americans have no place to turn.
     
    Donohue and the US Chamber of Commerce (aka The Big CoCk) is just serving as a useful foil. He’s giving Trump a chance to remind people that he was already taking on China.

    There is no chance in hell Trump will back down on China now. It’s too juicy an issue to campaign on, and allows him to remind people how right he was.
  62. I can’t remember the details, but during the worst of the AIDS years somebody tried to estimate the life expectancy of gay men by analysing obituaries in the gay press. The estimate was far too low because the sort of people who got obituaries were community activists in places like the Castro or celebrities who were known to be gay and were in the prime of life.

    As others have already pointed out, you are far more likely to get an obituary if you die in mid-career at the height of your powers than if you live into old age. If Buddy Holly had died earlier this week aged 82, how many people would even recognise the name?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The NYT invests in building up an inventory of obituaries of noteworthy people years before they die. So, yeah, Buddy Holly would have a sizable obituary if he died yesterday, probably mostly written decades before.
    , @Wilkey

    If Buddy Holly had died earlier this week aged 82, how many people would even recognise the name?
     
    About half the country, including pretty much anyone who still reads a newspaper.
    , @Art Deco
    That was Dr. Paul Cameron. He looked at ordinary death notices in the gay press. To the extent there was skew, it was against men whose executors were inclined to keep their homosexuality confidential. That may have been an older crew.
  63. @Mr. Anon

    If HCL/zpack/zinc combo genuinely helps the “mild” cases reliably that would start a virtuous cycle.
     
    I certainly hope they're not administering HCL to patients.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrochloric_acid

    The recommended treatment seams to be this hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin (commonly called Zithromax or a Z-pak). But Zithromax is indicated for (amont other things) "community acquired pneumonia". If an anti-biotic seems to be working to cure COVID-19 pneumonia, isn't it possible that alot of the COVID-19 pneumonia is actually due to a bacterial co-infection?

    I certainly hope they’re not administering HCL to patients.

    It is naturally present in the stomach in dilute form.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    It is naturally present in the stomach in dilute form.
     
    Yes, I know. But injecting into the blood stream or the lungs probably wouldn't be a good idea.
  64. @Wilkey

    I’m simply flabbergasted that we shut down our economy for people that are mostly extremely old but also have underlying diseases.
     
    For the love of God, just shut up already. No informed person would disagree that the elderly people who will die from this are, on average, a net (financial) cost to society, or that many or most of them are probably close to the end of their lives, anyway. But they are human beings with children and grandchildren and it is rather callous to say “just let them die,” and there is no conceivable way Trump gets re-elected if he takes that position. It is too late for that, anyway, even if it weren’t an asshole thing to do. Trump has already committed to flattening the curve. Reversing himself completely won’t look very presidential, and is the wrong thing to do, anyway.

    What we have to do now is squash this thing as rapidly as possible. That means a shelter-in-place order nationwide, with no one but essential workers going to work. That means mass production of PPE so it’s available for everyone. That’s the only way to get this squashed out as soon as possible and get everyone back to work. We don’t need an R0 or 1.0 or 0.62. We need it to be as close to 0 as we can get it.

    This epidemic is not showing the Republican Party in its best light. There are too damn many Republican leaders out there acting like idiots, talking about “muh rights” and “muh economy.” Republican leaders in states where they barely won the last election (Georgia, Florida) and probably won’t win the next. The sad truth is that by putting off the inevitable they are only multiplying the economic damage that’s occurring. If we had taken these steps a month ago, including bans on international travel, people would already be going back to work. Now we’re talking about this extending into the summer, and maybe even into the fall.

    But they are human beings with children and grandchildren and it is rather callous to say “just let them die”…

    It is callous to say to of who are losing their jobs, “Let them eat unemployment benefits,” so that people, in very poor health already, can live a few months, or weeks, longer. The potential suicide and drug overdose victims of the next decade are also human beings with families.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    I’m not being callous, though. The point is that, given the path we have chosen to take to fight it - the only path left to us since we didn’t realize the danger soon enough - what’s the fastest, least economically damaging way to the end? Nationwide shutdowns, widespread distribution of PPE, as much teeing as possible, and constant reminders to people to stay the hell away from each other. That’s the only plan that both solves the problem and gets us back to normal anytime soon.
  65. @Philip Neal
    I can't remember the details, but during the worst of the AIDS years somebody tried to estimate the life expectancy of gay men by analysing obituaries in the gay press. The estimate was far too low because the sort of people who got obituaries were community activists in places like the Castro or celebrities who were known to be gay and were in the prime of life.

    As others have already pointed out, you are far more likely to get an obituary if you die in mid-career at the height of your powers than if you live into old age. If Buddy Holly had died earlier this week aged 82, how many people would even recognise the name?

    The NYT invests in building up an inventory of obituaries of noteworthy people years before they die. So, yeah, Buddy Holly would have a sizable obituary if he died yesterday, probably mostly written decades before.

  66. @Sam Haysom
    I’m a lot more interested in the data of who shit their pants the most in the face of Y2Flu. While the entire boomer alt-right hid in their closet Yale grad Alex Berenson batted like .970. If Ron’s IQ is 214 I can’t even imagine what Berenson’s is.


    Whose response to thenY2Flu was more in line with the realities of the disease. Lashequa who kept doing her thang and didn’t tank the US economy or Greg Cochran who shit his pants and demanded a complete shut down. I’m not gonna say sometimes IQ isn’t everything because Cochran’s IQ isn’t high. But it makes you think. As a non-boomer the NAMs had my back far more than white boomers.

    Ah, being “on your six” is not the same as “having your back.”

    I probably shouldn’t give you advice but there it is.

  67. @Hail
    "Y2Flu" is a good one.

    Lashequa who kept doing her thang and didn’t tank the US economy
     
    I've noticed Blacks are masked-up at a much higher per-capita rate than Whites. Has anyone else notice this?

    Blacks, though, are of course by far (no contest) exceeded by East Asians in propensity to mask-up. Easily observed probably everywhere on Earth in which appreciable numbers of East Asians coexist with other races.

    While the usual continuum of things is:

    "AfricanBlack -- Amerind -- European -- EastAsian,"

    it appears the CoronaPanic response-continuum, from my observation re: masking-up, has been:

    "White/European -- Hispanic/Amerind -- Black -- EastAsian."

    But this is anecdotal based on my observation in person. Would be curious to hear if others have noticed the same.

    I’ve noticed Blacks are masked-up at a much higher per-capita rate than Whites. Has anyone else notice this?

    No, in my experience the exact opposite is true.

  68. @Philip Neal
    I can't remember the details, but during the worst of the AIDS years somebody tried to estimate the life expectancy of gay men by analysing obituaries in the gay press. The estimate was far too low because the sort of people who got obituaries were community activists in places like the Castro or celebrities who were known to be gay and were in the prime of life.

    As others have already pointed out, you are far more likely to get an obituary if you die in mid-career at the height of your powers than if you live into old age. If Buddy Holly had died earlier this week aged 82, how many people would even recognise the name?

    If Buddy Holly had died earlier this week aged 82, how many people would even recognise the name?

    About half the country, including pretty much anyone who still reads a newspaper.

  69. @Mr. Anon
    Celebrities? A federal judge, a transgender rights activist, a british diplomat, a nurse, a session musician?

    That is stretching the definition of celebrity.

    We’re not even at Hollywood Squares level yet

  70. @Clyde
    I watched with the sound off. Impressive!

    Naw, you had the sound on. It’s your hearing that’s gone.

  71. @Thomas
    According to the CDC, as of 2010, a 65 year-old had a life expectancy of another 19 years. Meaning, if you made it to 65, you could expect to live to be 84. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/2011/022.pdf

    So dying at 66 means, on average, giving up 18 years of your life. Or, to put it another way, a bit over 20% of your life.

    (Cue @Jack D and @AnotherDad to say that giving up one-fifth of your life is a "great run," and it's nothing to upend the economy over.)

    Thomas, I liked your post much better before a couple nyms were edited out. It’s the first time I can remember seeing anything like that done here. Too bad, too.

  72. @Hibernian

    But they are human beings with children and grandchildren and it is rather callous to say “just let them die"...
     
    It is callous to say to of who are losing their jobs, "Let them eat unemployment benefits," so that people, in very poor health already, can live a few months, or weeks, longer. The potential suicide and drug overdose victims of the next decade are also human beings with families.

    I’m not being callous, though. The point is that, given the path we have chosen to take to fight it – the only path left to us since we didn’t realize the danger soon enough – what’s the fastest, least economically damaging way to the end? Nationwide shutdowns, widespread distribution of PPE, as much teeing as possible, and constant reminders to people to stay the hell away from each other. That’s the only plan that both solves the problem and gets us back to normal anytime soon.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    People here were among the first to recognize the threat--back in December and January. Yet here it is April and even here we have a small but very loud contingent insisting that it's all a grand hoax, like the Holocaust or Global Warming or the Moon Landing. (Take your pick.) UNZ.COM is a bit of a redoubt for these people.

    They may be seen IRL as well--flouting any and all guidelines because "Whatever Whatever". One of several ironies is that these same people lambaste the lower classes for refusing to abide by common standards of daily civility.

    Try to stay clear of these people. They won't believe it until it hits their head with a sledgehammer.

  73. @William Badwhite

    Blame Wall Street and the scum of DC for all the offshoring, especially of critical medical items. Antibiotics and others.
     
    A lot of Americans just assume that somewhere in government there are intelligent and conscientious people that wouldn't allow something like this. They are of course mistaken.

    Having the ability to manufacture necessary medical (and other) items needs to be a strategic issue. Sorry if that means Donohue and his pals make a little less money, which leaves them less able to pay bribes, err "campaign contributions". Following a theme others have developed, the GOP is basically a whore owned by corporations. Sensible, normal Americans have no place to turn.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/03/26/tom-donohue-and-u-s-coc-beg-white-house-please-dont-stop-buying-from-china-well-lose-our-manufacturing-investments/

    Following a theme others have developed, the GOP is basically a whore owned by corporations. Sensible, normal Americans have no place to turn.

    Donohue and the US Chamber of Commerce (aka The Big CoCk) is just serving as a useful foil. He’s giving Trump a chance to remind people that he was already taking on China.

    There is no chance in hell Trump will back down on China now. It’s too juicy an issue to campaign on, and allows him to remind people how right he was.

    • Replies: @Clyde

    Donohue and the US Chamber of Commerce (aka The Big CoCk) is just serving as a useful foil. He’s giving Trump a chance to remind people that he was already taking on China. There is no chance in hell Trump will back down on China now. It’s too juicy an issue to campaign on, and allows him to remind people how right he was.
     
    You are correct but only because of the Wuhan, China/Chinese generated created corona virus. This has killed a lot of the traction Donohue/US Chamber of Commerce was getting. This free-traitor is 81 years old. This means he has been selling the same corp-sponsored free trade lies for decades. I'll bet he gets a least a million per year and a super retirement package. Donahue /countless DC lobbyists / at 75% of Congress know that you can get rich selling out America
    , @William Badwhite

    There is no chance in hell Trump will back down on China now. It’s too juicy an issue to campaign on, and allows him to remind people how right he was.
     
    I agree as it pertains to Trump. The power of Trump is that he doesn't need campaign contributions so the CofC types can't own him as they do most other Republicans.

    I meant that a sizeable portion of the GOP is just waiting for Trump to be out of office so they can get back to business as usual: taking bribes and selling the country while pretending to care about immivasion. We need a whole bunch of Trump acolytes running for office at all levels. Unfortunately too many white normal people still think the Republicans are on their side.
  74. @Wilkey
    I’m not being callous, though. The point is that, given the path we have chosen to take to fight it - the only path left to us since we didn’t realize the danger soon enough - what’s the fastest, least economically damaging way to the end? Nationwide shutdowns, widespread distribution of PPE, as much teeing as possible, and constant reminders to people to stay the hell away from each other. That’s the only plan that both solves the problem and gets us back to normal anytime soon.

    People here were among the first to recognize the threat–back in December and January. Yet here it is April and even here we have a small but very loud contingent insisting that it’s all a grand hoax, like the Holocaust or Global Warming or the Moon Landing. (Take your pick.) UNZ.COM is a bit of a redoubt for these people.

    They may be seen IRL as well–flouting any and all guidelines because “Whatever Whatever”. One of several ironies is that these same people lambaste the lower classes for refusing to abide by common standards of daily civility.

    Try to stay clear of these people. They won’t believe it until it hits their head with a sledgehammer.

    • Replies: @anon
    Fredo Cuomo caught it. He didn't like it. His symptoms are very similar to those of the Brit ESL teacher in Wuhan who contracted it early on. He said "Like being hit by a train".

    https://theweek.com/speedreads/906370/cnns-chris-cuomo-describes-freaky-night-covid19-fevers-hallucinations-toothchipping-shakes

    But nah, just the flu, bro. Seems legit.

  75. @Mr McKenna
    People here were among the first to recognize the threat--back in December and January. Yet here it is April and even here we have a small but very loud contingent insisting that it's all a grand hoax, like the Holocaust or Global Warming or the Moon Landing. (Take your pick.) UNZ.COM is a bit of a redoubt for these people.

    They may be seen IRL as well--flouting any and all guidelines because "Whatever Whatever". One of several ironies is that these same people lambaste the lower classes for refusing to abide by common standards of daily civility.

    Try to stay clear of these people. They won't believe it until it hits their head with a sledgehammer.

    Fredo Cuomo caught it. He didn’t like it. His symptoms are very similar to those of the Brit ESL teacher in Wuhan who contracted it early on. He said “Like being hit by a train”.

    https://theweek.com/speedreads/906370/cnns-chris-cuomo-describes-freaky-night-covid19-fevers-hallucinations-toothchipping-shakes

    But nah, just the flu, bro. Seems legit.

  76. @Hibernian

    I certainly hope they’re not administering HCL to patients.
     
    It is naturally present in the stomach in dilute form.

    It is naturally present in the stomach in dilute form.

    Yes, I know. But injecting into the blood stream or the lungs probably wouldn’t be a good idea.

  77. @Mr. Anon

    An unusually low prevalence of current smoking was observed among hospitalized COVID-19 patients
     
    The thing about smoking is that beyond a certain level, the damage is cumulative and irreversible. Emphysema isn't something you all of a sudden get. It's something you develop from "your first cigarette till your last dyin' day". But it only gets registered as "emphysema" when a doctor enters it on your chart.

    USPSTF: COPD early detection “does not alter the course of the disease or improve patient outcomes.” http://tinyurl.com/zsul5g7
    Tobacco Control’s Giant Tuskegee Experiment – suppressing research, to blame smoking for COPD caused by cytomegalovirus (CMV) http://tinyurl.com/gsddcw3
    NHANES: 23% of COPD patients are never smokers http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16378780 because CMV is so common, not due to whiff of ETS
    As less wealthy people, smokers are more likely to have CMV infection, causing confounding http://tinyurl.com/gnlnrcy
    Research on the role of infection in COPD is almost nonexistent. Most of that which exists is focused on trying to find some way of implicating smoking.

  78. @Philip Neal
    I can't remember the details, but during the worst of the AIDS years somebody tried to estimate the life expectancy of gay men by analysing obituaries in the gay press. The estimate was far too low because the sort of people who got obituaries were community activists in places like the Castro or celebrities who were known to be gay and were in the prime of life.

    As others have already pointed out, you are far more likely to get an obituary if you die in mid-career at the height of your powers than if you live into old age. If Buddy Holly had died earlier this week aged 82, how many people would even recognise the name?

    That was Dr. Paul Cameron. He looked at ordinary death notices in the gay press. To the extent there was skew, it was against men whose executors were inclined to keep their homosexuality confidential. That may have been an older crew.

  79. The only one I recognize is Ellis Marsalis, and I couldn’t have told you a thing about him other than he had something to do with jazz.

  80. @Wilkey

    Following a theme others have developed, the GOP is basically a whore owned by corporations. Sensible, normal Americans have no place to turn.
     
    Donohue and the US Chamber of Commerce (aka The Big CoCk) is just serving as a useful foil. He’s giving Trump a chance to remind people that he was already taking on China.

    There is no chance in hell Trump will back down on China now. It’s too juicy an issue to campaign on, and allows him to remind people how right he was.

    Donohue and the US Chamber of Commerce (aka The Big CoCk) is just serving as a useful foil. He’s giving Trump a chance to remind people that he was already taking on China. There is no chance in hell Trump will back down on China now. It’s too juicy an issue to campaign on, and allows him to remind people how right he was.

    You are correct but only because of the Wuhan, China/Chinese generated created corona virus. This has killed a lot of the traction Donohue/US Chamber of Commerce was getting. This free-traitor is 81 years old. This means he has been selling the same corp-sponsored free trade lies for decades. I’ll bet he gets a least a million per year and a super retirement package. Donahue /countless DC lobbyists / at 75% of Congress know that you can get rich selling out America

  81. @Wilkey

    Following a theme others have developed, the GOP is basically a whore owned by corporations. Sensible, normal Americans have no place to turn.
     
    Donohue and the US Chamber of Commerce (aka The Big CoCk) is just serving as a useful foil. He’s giving Trump a chance to remind people that he was already taking on China.

    There is no chance in hell Trump will back down on China now. It’s too juicy an issue to campaign on, and allows him to remind people how right he was.

    There is no chance in hell Trump will back down on China now. It’s too juicy an issue to campaign on, and allows him to remind people how right he was.

    I agree as it pertains to Trump. The power of Trump is that he doesn’t need campaign contributions so the CofC types can’t own him as they do most other Republicans.

    I meant that a sizeable portion of the GOP is just waiting for Trump to be out of office so they can get back to business as usual: taking bribes and selling the country while pretending to care about immivasion. We need a whole bunch of Trump acolytes running for office at all levels. Unfortunately too many white normal people still think the Republicans are on their side.

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