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Wikipedia has a list of “notable people” who are said to have died of COVID-19, of whom 115 are listed as having died in the U.S.

The age range is from 35 (a fat rapper named Fred the Godson) to 100 (astronaut John Glenn’s widow Annie), but the rapper is the only one under 50. The mean age was 78.5 and the median 82.

Of the 113 celebrities with a listed place of death within the U.S., 44 died in New York (whether the state or the city is unclear).

Most of these celebrities are pretty obscure. I recognized nine of the 115 names. The only one I recognize as still being in the prime of his career at his death was songwriter Adam Schlesinger, 52, of Fountains of Wayne who was the main composer for the remarkable recent musical comedy sitcom Crazy Ex-Girlfriend.

Of the 113 celebrities with a listed place of death within the U.S., 44 died in New York (whether the state or the city is unclear).

So, an ailment that appeared to be especially common among celebrities in early March (the Tom Hanks Disease era) has gone way downscale, especially in lethality. My guess is that actual famous current celebrities are usually skinny and able to afford to self-isolate.

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  1. Speaking of New York, even the Guardian had a nasty word or two about Cuomo.

    RT link so you don’t have to give the Guardian any clicks

    • Replies: @Prester John
  2. Get back to me when someone of the stature of Isaac Asimov, Tony Perkins, or even Freddie Mercury is taken down.

  3. What kind of sample is celebrities? It’s pretty close to the bottom of the groups that I care about. There could be a 30 y/o median age for Kung Flu deaths in that crowd and that wouldn’t bother me a bit. I do care about regular Americans though. For us, the median age is what, 75 to 80?

    And there’s that NY City thing popping back up. They’ve sure got the worst of it, and it makes for a big portion of the supposed deaths FROM COVID. Perhaps Trump should switch to calling it the New York Flu … go ahead, bite the Big Apple, don’t mind the maggots Corona-bugs…

  4. My guess is that actual famous current celebrities are usually skinny and able to afford to self-isolate

    Yeah self-isolating doesn’t matter unless the person is elderly or has serious health conditions. Not really sure if it matters then. Anyway, tens of millions of Americans are out and about every day and have been during this entire Sperg-Out.

  5. Apologies if any of the following is wrong. It’s just a thought:

    Total deaths attributed to COVID-19 so far in New York : approximately 23,000

    Population of New York : approximately 19,500,000

    23,000 / 19,500,000 = approximately .0012 deaths per population

    Celebrity deaths attributed to COVID-19 in New York: 44

    44 / .0012 = approximately 36,600 celebrities required to yield 44 deaths at the same ratio as those for whole New York population.

    So at the same death ratio, there would have to be over 36,000 celebrities in New York to yield 44 celebrity deaths. There are not 36,000 celebrities in New York, so what this means is that COVID-19 is still killing proportionally more celebrities.

    The deaths are in fact not downscale. They are proportionally higher upscale.

    And, as always, even in New York, the COVID-19 death numbers are small in proportion to the population.

    Now, if you want to just use the New York City population, which would be reasonable in this case, then you have:

    Roughly 20,000 deaths, generously including Westchester and Long Island

    Roughly 11,000,000 population in that area

    20,000 / 11,000,000 = .0018 approximate death ratio

    44 / .0018 = Approximately 24,500 celebrities would have to live in the city area described to yield 44 deaths at the same ratio as that of the overall population of the city.

    Not even New York City has 24,500 celebrities, so the death rate for celebrities is still much higher than for “downscale” people. Proportionally more celebrities have died of COVID-19 in New York, any way you measure them.

    So, you can’t say it’s gone downscale. What it has done is spread out to the wider population, but not to a higher degree, but lesser in fact, judging by these numbers.

    Of course, 44 is a small number, so it might just be meaningless. All the numbers are relatively small. How about that?

  6. IOW, people with a higher probability of near-term death even in the absence of Corona-Chan.


    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  7. @Buzz Mohawk

    There are not 36,000 celebrities in New York ….

    Wanna bet? Define celebrity.

    What’s funny is that now that Channel4’s Sunday Brunch is done remotely, it seems like at least half of their guests are minor Brit celebs in LA.

  8. @Achmed E. Newman

    I do care about regular Americans though. For us, the median age is what, 75 to 80?

    I don’t have a precise statistic, but it is easy enough to eyeball this (or the table of figures in the next page over) and get an idea.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  9. Anon[139] • Disclaimer says:

    NHS staff to be given hydroxychloroquine drug touted by Donald Trump to test if it prevents coronavirus

    The Evening Standard is a serious left-of-center London-focused newspaper in the U.K. The NHS is the U.K.’s single payer national health service. I haven’t checked whether this news tidbit has been reported by the New York Times.

    Of course it probably won’t be effective. They’ll going to have to Edison this thing, trying a hundred or more drugs. But tying the Trump drug isn’t crazy, it would seem.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @PiltdownMan
  10. At ground zero of what is claimed to be the worst covid per capita death rate nation on the planet (see chart below) – Belgium –

    There is very little anxiety about covid, or criticism of the government about all the dead bodies allegedly stacking up

    Belgium’s ‘over 9000 dead’ is the equivalent of more than a quarter million dead in the USA … yet people in Belgium are relaxed

    Belgians are fussing over things like how vacations will go this summer … if they criticise Belgium’s Jewish-heritage Prime Minister Sophie Wilmès, it is a minor complaint about how she presents the various remaining covid rules in a confusing manner

    Small countries can be like villages, where most people somewhat half-know what is going on

    It seems as if Belgians have taken the view, that covid merely makes for a minor seasonal acceleration in the death rate of the sick and elderly, the stats showing around 11% higher, consistent with a bad flu season

    Although about 1 in 1250 Belgians is already allegedly dead from coronavirus, the conversation regarding the deceased tends to be like this: ‘Yes, they counted her as a covid death … she’d been sick for a long time … she was age 79’

    Belgian news media have largely folded up the tent of trying to scare people … Even in the middle of the ‘world’s worst covid death zone’, people essentially act as if covid is an annoying quasi-nothingburger

    Top Flemish political leaders are saying they will not allow another lockdown in Belgium … next time, it will be only the sick in quarantine, not healthy people

  11. Yesterday, the NYT had its chart/map of NYC showing the majority-minority zips in the outer boroughs being hardest hit right near its chart/map of NYC showing the zips in mid-Manhattan where the largest proportion of people had flown the coop several weeks ago. No acknowledgment of that dissonance thing.

  12. I recognized only three or four names in that entire list of celebrities. The only name (that I recognized) of a person who died outside America was that of Manu Dibango, the African funk musician who had a big hit in the early 1970s. And among the names of people who died here, I knew only three. Annie Glenn, the astronaut’s wife, John Horton Conway, the mathematician, and Ellis Marsalis, the jazz musician.

    • Replies: @hhsiii
  13. It seems to me that if this COVID-19 were all that virulent, at least one of the all too numerous Senators, Representatives, or SCOTUS Justices long past the age when they ought to retire would have succumbed by now.

    Pelosi, Ginsburg, Feinstein, I am sure most of the readership here have at least secretly hoped would have been harvested, but many GOP players who are hardcore anti-nationalist, chamber of commerce, pro-Christian Zionist, are also in the advanced age category and probably do more to keep the present order in power than the Democrats.

    While I certainly do not wish ill on Justice Clarence Thomas, I do hope he considers retiring so that Trump can get in his replacement while he is still in office (even though I think he will be re-elected). The reason is that if Trump does lose we will certainly have eight and maybe twelve, sixteen, or maybe “all of them the Republic has left” years of Democrats.

  14. I scrolled through that list of celebrities, and recognized only a few names.

    The one that really jumped out at me was Steve Dalkowski, who was famous for being one of the most highly-touted pitching prospects in baseball history, but who never made it to the bigs. He threw incredibly hard, according to all accounts, but unfortunately may have had the worst control of any professional pitcher ever.

    To wit, from his wikipedia page:

    During a typical season in 1960, while pitching in the California League, Dalkowski struck out 262 batters and walked 262 in 170 innings. . . . In separate games, Dalkowski struck out 21 batters, and walked 21 batters.

    That is some ugly symmetry, for sure.

  15. @Buzz Mohawk

    Define celebrity, though. Played guitar with a one hit wonder in the 60s is a celebrity. Played minor characters off-Broadway for 3 years is a celebrity. Got a couple novels published by big publishers, even though they didn’t sell.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Buzz Mohawk
  16. @CarlosHathitachiTheSecond

    The UK government got hit hard with its PM, his right hand aide Dominic Cummings, the Health Minister, the Health Ministry’s infectious disease sub-minister, and the chief modeler all seeming to have been infected.

    But infections have been less common among US high government officials since Rand Paul. My guess is that elites tend to be pretty adept at adapting quickly to new rules.

    Many Congressmen are not terribly rich. Several often share a house in Washington. But I’m sure almost all have their own rooms. And they probably don’t fraternize all that much with their housemates, especially after mid-March.

    With all the evidence for in-home transmission, it would be worth a more in-depth study: what’s the attack rate for people who share a bed with an infected person versus share a bedroom versus share a dwelling?

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  17. @brabantian

    Is there a difference in infection and death rates between the two language regions in Belgium?

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  18. @The Alarmist

    Good point. Looking over the list, we see mostly “notable people” as it says, like judges and professors, mixed in with random DJs and such. Few “actual famous current celebrities,” to use Steve’s words. So that blows my whole point. New York easily has 36,000 notable people of the type listed.

  19. @Anon

    The Trump drug is the one the Chinese doctors were most hopeful about. But what do Chinese doctors know? Next, you’ll be saying crazy stuff like we ought to listen to the Chinese about wearing masks!

    Like you say, the odds of any single existent drug proving helpful is not huge, but there are a huge number of existing drugs that are reasonably safe.

    • Replies: @Travis
    , @William Badwhite
  20. @Redneck farmer

    I suspect Wikipedia is defining “notable” as “having a Wikipedia page.”

  21. @Redneck farmer

    True, and I think New York probably does have thousands of that type plus retired professors, judges, architects etc. of the sort listed. So my point is pointless after all.

  22. @Achmed E. Newman

    Ricky Gervais reflected the attitude of most Americans toward celebrities these days. They’ve definitely lost their shine. It’s amazing these clowns were ever taken seriously.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
  23. @Anon

    I posted, some days ago, that hydroxychroloquine+azithromycin is listed as due for commencement of Stage II trials by the NIH. An earlier trial, much hyped by the press, showed it as being ineffective in late stage Covid-19 patients.

    But most of the talk about HCQ in the medical community was of it being as a prophylactic by medical staff working in Covid-19 clinics and of their using it for early stage patients – to ward off further progress of the disease. This was done based on empirical reasoning arising from how it works on malaria patients.

    • Thanks: The Wild Geese Howard
    • Replies: @peterike
  24. “a fat rapper”

    That’s harsh – think aspiring weight-loss rapper.

    • LOL: Cortes, AnotherDad
  25. @CarlosHathitachiTheSecond

    Imagine reading: “Justice Ginsberg Dead of COVID-19” – c’mon now, even our beloved iSteve would raise an eyebrow or two … or three, right?


    (You are quite right about Justice Thomas – tough call there. If he stays on, maybe he needs his own personal gym like Mrs. Ginsberg that is really more like an intensive care unit with extra dumbbells.)

  26. @PiltdownMan

    Thanks, Mr. Man. Eyeballing it at just before the old-people’s peak, say right at 05/15 gives me ~ 7, 800 deaths of 75 and over versus ~ 6,000 deaths of people under 75. The range of my estimate is very likely correct then, at least for that maximum-death time range, and if you believe that all of these deaths are FROM COVID-19 to begin with.

  27. anonymous[325] • Disclaimer says:

    I just don’t get it Steve – for all the skepticism you have for official race data, I really think you need to own the shitty quality & unreliability of the ‘death by’ data. There is no way we are ever going to unravel who really died because of this supposedly new virus and who died because they were due. I understand you may be at higher risk due to medical history, but more aplomb seems called for.

    • Replies: @Redman
    , @Kratoklastes
  28. hhsiii says:

    Hal Willner I’d heard of. Music producer. Allen Garfield, but he’d been in an actors’ home for 16 years already. Henry Miller, a lawyer I met twice.

    • Replies: @Hemid
  29. Mike Tre says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    In Cook Country the median age is 73.5. The other big, but simple, number is comorbidity, which is at 90% for one PEC and 70% for those who have two PEC’s. Last week the CDC website showed something like a whopping 6 covid-19 deaths under the age of 14 for the entire country.

    But we can’t let these easy to mine and understand stats (young and nominally healthy people are at near zero risk) distract us from the really important stuff, like theoretical herd immunity among Swedes, D list celebrity lifestyle impacts, and how to increase herd immunity by continuing to isolate ourselves. Perhaps we can ship herd immunity for free if we have amazon prime?

  30. @RichardTaylor

    Emerson: “Fame is proof that people are gullible.”

  31. Hemid says:

    I recognize all the old jazz guys, but Willner is the most (and maybe only) “notable” music artist there. When he died all the headlines said he used to work on SNL. Chrysler pitchman Neil Armstrong dead of…

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  32. neprof says:

    Coincidentally , the median life expectancy in the US is 78.6 years, hmm.

  33. @Steve Sailer

    This is correct.

    And because Wikipedia has a coterie of gay activist editors who ensure that any out homosexual has that fact noted in their biography, you could do a useful service by counting, and seeing if 5% of the victims are gay, or some unusually high number like 20% to test your hypothesis that gays are more likely to be affected.

    It just seems a disproportionate number of the under-50s badly afflicted are gay, but that could just be that they’re better at getting publicity or because COVID is disproportionately in NYC and the Bay Area (though not so much the Bay Area any more) or a bias on my part to notice patterns that aren’t there.

    • Replies: @Henry's Cat
  34. I’m always saddened when I hear an older celebrity pass away, but fortunately, they were not A-list like Bob Dylan, Don Henley, or Paul McCartney.

    Unfortunately, they are some of the many necessary casualties of COVID, along with:
    – 82+ year-olds in retirement homes.
    – The economic hopes and dreams for people under 50.
    – The belief in democracy for people under 30.

    • Agree: Mike Tre
  35. Hibernian says:

    Or the Republican party as almost a clone of the Democrats and about as strong as the Whigs.

  36. peterike says:

    I posted, some days ago, that hydroxychroloquine+azithromycin is listed as due for commencement of Stage II trials by the NIH.

    If they aren’t using zinc as part of the protocol, it’s not going to work. This is quite well understood because the entire described mechanism of the cure involves zinc, yet we have these “trials” that happen without it. Is it a crazy conspiracy theory to think the people involved know full well they are setting it up to fail so they can show up Orange Man? I’d say it’s about 90% likely that that is exactly what’s going on. When dealing with a large government entity never attribute to stupidity what can better be explained by malice. Simply ask yourself, “what is the key goal?” Hint: the key goal is never, ever, to save people. That’s a third or fourth order concern, at best.

  37. peterike says:

    Pelosi, Ginsburg, Feinstein, I am sure most of the readership here have at least secretly hoped would have been harvested, but many GOP players who are hardcore anti-nationalist, chamber of commerce, pro-Christian Zionist, are also in the advanced age category and probably do more to keep the present order in power than the Democrats.

    Ok, I’ll take this one. I don’t secretly wish this at all. I openly, brazenly wish it and I’d shout with glee if half the Senate and House (both sides) dropped dead from this thing.

    • Replies: @Achilles Wannabe
  38. Travis says:
    @Steve Sailer

    What are the odds a proven antiviral drug, which was shown to be effective against SARS and other viruses , would have benefits against this coronavirus ?
    10 years ago chloroquine was found to have strong antiviral effects on SARS-CoV infection of primate cells. These inhibitory effects are observed when the cells are treated with the drug either before or after exposure to the virus, demonstrating both prophylactic and therapeutic advantage. In addition to the well-known functions of chloroquine such as elevations of endosomal pH, the drug appears to interfere with terminal glycosylation of the cellular receptor, angiotensin-converting enzyme 2.

    They have known for decades that HCQ had antiviral properties. Moreover, chloroquine affects immune system activity by mediating an anti-inflammatory response. Decades ago they realized the drug has biochemical properties that can be applied against viral infections. Chloroquine exerts direct antiviral effects, inhibiting pH-dependent steps of the replication of several viruses including members of the flaviviruses, retroviruses, and coronaviruses. Its best-studied effects are those against HIV replication, which are being tested in clinical trials. Moreover, chloroquine has immunomodulatory effects which mediate the inflammatory complications of viral diseases. We review the available information on the effects of chloroquine on viral infections, raising the question of whether this old drug may experience a revival in the clinical management of viral diseases such as AIDS and severe acute respiratory syndrome, which afflict mankind in the era of globalisation.

  39. being that doctors can now treat the infected pretty effectively, the only question that remains for me is does the virus do any long term damage.

    Yes, it is not the flu. The flu does not cause loss of smell, pink eye, severely low blood/oxygen levels, cytokine storm, blood clots, covid toe, …

    We now have vitamin D3 to boost the immune system, HCQ and Zinc to inhibit virus replication, medication that tampers down the cytokine storm, and better ways for severely afflicted to breath than a ventilator.

    With all of this in place, why are people still dying from covid? And, once an infected person recovers, are there any remaining harmful affects?

    • Replies: @Redman
  40. @Buzz Mohawk

    Not even New York City has 24,500 celebrities, so the death rate for celebrities is still much higher than for “downscale” people.

    If you look at the list you have people who’s claim to prominence is variously- pathology professor, holocaust survivor, Performance artist, Journalist, Mexican American transgender and immigrant rights activist, Neurosurgeon , former Fema official, Ballet teacher, Visual artist, Aeronautical engineer, first internet writer for the Associated Press (I kid you not), Ethnobotanist, Microbiologist , State senator, Former member of the New York City Council, Ecofeminist artist, Electrochemist, Photographer, Archaeologist and dog breeder, Wrestling referee, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement detainee!! , Nephrologist, Book collector, Pulmonologist, Intelligence officer, Paleobotanist, as well as a few people unknown outside the Orthodox Jewish community. It was obviously put together by a bot trawling lexis-nexis for obits mentioning covid. If you set the “celebrity ” bar so low there are hundreds of thousands in NYC.

    • Agree: Buzz Mohawk
    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  41. @kaganovitch

    people who’s claim


    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  42. Don’t know if it’s true, but a commenter here a while back claimed that Schlesinger had stage 4 cancer. I’m not one of those people who thinks comorbidities justify death by corona, but it seems like an extreme case

  43. Mean Age of Celebrity COVID-19 Deaths: 78.5

    Pretty much what we’ve known from the start.

    The deaths on the Diamond Princess–same sort of number. (The first four deaths were Japanese in their 80s, the later ones trickling in their 70s. No one actually young.) Data as epidemic ramped in Europe and America–same pattern.

    There’s this idea out there that it’s all unknown and we’re just finding it out … but what’s actually the case is that once the initial fog of Wuhan lifted, this thing has very consistentlyplayed out pretty much as you’d expect from what we knew back in February.

    — Infection fatality rate (for US style age structure) somewhere a bit south of 1%–definitely in the tenths of a percent. (My estimate 0.5%.)
    (Note: that’s 10x “the flu” for which the IFR is down in the few hundredths of a percent.)

    — Skewing to very old and/or with serious health issues.

    — Children basically not affected at all! (Which is unlike the flu.)

    — Unpleasant (“worse flu of life”, “felt always out of breath”) pathology.

    — But a high number of more or less asymptomatic infections.

    => Bottom line: Unpleasant and peeling back our improvements in life expectancy a bit … but not the least threat to civilization.

    (That’s basically the story i told my kids in late February. “Thankfully you should be just fine” and it’s stood up well.)

    As far as i know there have only been two big surprises:

    — Ventilators don’t much matter.
    This thing doesn’t kill just like the flu with pneumonia. It’s more like altitude sickness–being starved of oxygen. Simple lie on your tummy therapy, then oxygen or CPAP with oxygen concentrator. If they put you on a ventilator … sorry!

    — Smoking doesn’t kill.
    I’d assumed back in January that some of the Wuhan death rate and sex skew was caused by Chinese men smoking like chimneys. I’d specifically mentioned my kids lack of smoking (or vaping or drug use) as a reason why this would be a no-op for them.
    Turns out i was wrong. Current smoking–likely the nicotine–seems to be rather protective. In this one weird case those ancient commercials about healthful smoking were right. Who knew?

    • Agree: Redman
  44. @Steve Sailer

    The Belgium surge is almost certainly a result of the International Institutions that are based/represented in Brussels. NATO being the biggest chunk in the vomit.
    Here’s a list.

    To my eye, If every one in every one of these institutions died tomorrow (After passing on a deadly strain to all their contacts in the past year) The world would be a fine, safer, saner, healthier place.

  45. Anon[105] • Disclaimer says:

    Another paper has come out that says if you’re blood type A, you’re more likely to get Covid than if you’re blood type O. This was done in New York, and it agrees with the Chinese paper that was previously published. In the New York study, the sample size was larger, over 1500 people. They even subtracted out all the co-factors to see if there was a correlation, like hypertension and diabetes, etc., and the association was plain even without the co-factors.

    • Replies: @res
  46. prosa123 says:

    I’m surprised that the age-adjusted fatality rate for blacks and Hispanics in NYC is twice that of the white and Asian rate. None of the usual explanations make sense. Poverty and crowded housing? Asians are poorer than blacks and Hispanics yet have a low death rate. Inadequate medical care? It doesn’t seem as if medical treatment makes that much of a difference.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    , @Travis
  47. joe862 says:

    I did this exact same calculation a few weeks ago and posted it a couple of places. It’s an interesting way to get some perspective.

  48. I actually saw Bucky Pizzarelli 40 years ago, had a friend who was a big John Prine fan and do recall actor Allen Garfield and of course kicker Dempsey. But overall from this list it seems that ladders, bathtubs and laundry chutes are still a bigger threat to persons of note.

    Speaking of C-List celebs, the media is going big on Lori Laughlin this morning, which might be a tiny little sign that COVID panic is subsiding

  49. @The Alarmist

    “minor Brit celebs in LA.”

    And they all come equipped with posh accents. Deport them now.

  50. @Steve Sailer

    Like you say, the odds of any single existent drug proving helpful is not huge

    Trump is taking hydroxychloroquine paired with zinc. If people are STILL talking/writing about hydroxychloroquine on its own, they’re being dishonest.

  51. anon[282] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    You’re missing the point. The idea is that it is a kind of a realtime-bootlegged-DIY sampling for which you don’t need government statistics or not-yet-published academic studies.

  52. Trinity says:

    Once I found out that hospitals receive extra money for (((coronavirus))) patients whether they are just diagnosed or unfortunately they die with or from the (((coronavirus))) I stopped paying attention to the OBVIOUSLY FUDGED NUMBER COUNT.

  53. anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    My guess is that actual famous current celebrities are usually skinny and able to afford to self-isolate.

    Don’t forget the ever-present negative variable of hired illegal immigrant help. Getting celebrities to give up their slave labor is as problematic as it’s been for people with exploitive inclinations since before the civil war. Mansions don’t clean themselves, and if not cared for, turn to shit pretty quickly.

    I remember working for some pretty rich folks who’s mansion I had to visit regularly to drop off papers and such. About half of the week, the interior looked like a bomb hit it. Using the grand piano in the bedroom as a clothes hanger, etc. They refused to clean up after themselves in almost any way. They were like a bunch of damned hillbillies. Then their illegal immigrant help would show up, and spend all day resetting the place. It was quite a job, but they did it, giving the owners a few days to trash their own mansion again.

    A lot of really rich people live like scumbags. As bad as any stereotypical trailer park loser. They just have the money to hide it up from the general public, most of the time.

    They need their “gentleman’s slave labor” more than ever during this plague, and those immigrants will wind up infecting their masters.

  54. looks like 0 celebrities to me.

    helicopters have killed more actual celebrities in 2020 than any virus.

  55. “The mean age was 78.5 and the median 82.”

    if only the virus didn’t take them, they might have lived forever.

    Boomer Remover clearing out the deadwood.

  56. @kaganovitch

    LOL don’t worry. I just posted a bunch of numbers that are pointless, because what you and others have noted is true. The list in your other comment is hilarious.

  57. @prosa123

    I’m surprised that the age-adjusted fatality rate for blacks and Hispanics in NYC is twice that of the white and Asian rate. None of the usual explanations make sense. Poverty and crowded housing? Asians are poorer than blacks and Hispanics yet have a low death rate. Inadequate medical care? It doesn’t seem as if medical treatment makes that much of a difference.

    Are you actually “surprised”?

    Ok, i’m surprised–not shocked, but didn’t predict it–that diabetes is a huge negative, but smoking is not.

    But once you’ve heard diabetes is a factor, is the racial issue any shock? Obesity. Diabetes. Hypertension. Diet. Lack of vitamin D.

    High time preference is not a good strategy for managing much of anything. At least outside of pre-colonial Africa. Certainly not in temperate zone, Western nations.

    • Agree: kaganovitch
    • Replies: @Redman
  58. Travis says:

    Blacks have higher rates of High blood pressure, obesity and diabetes. In New York the hispanics are mostly Puerto Ricans and Dominicans (basically mulattos)

    Yet the demographics of deaths in NY , with the exception of Asians, are close to the actual demographics of NY. Hispanics are 25% of the NY metro population and 22% of the deaths, So hispanics are actually under-represented among deaths in New York Asians have the lowest average age , lowest obesity rate and higher smoking rate. So we should expect far fewer Asian deaths in NY.

    this data is not hard to find, yet the press and our politicians lie to us about the demographic discrepancies. It is only Blacks who are over-represented in the COVID19 deaths, yet they group hispanics and Blacks together as POC to deceive the public into believing that Hispanics are disproportionately dying from COVID19.

  59. epebble says:

    Another surprise is extremely low rate of infections and deaths in sub-saharan Africa. (1% or so of temperate, Western nations).

    • Replies: @Pincher Martin
  60. epebble says:

    Any reason for an order of magnitude difference with Germany & Denmark?

  61. JimDandy says:

    Can somebody send Drudge the news that I’m about to stop reading his Report? While there is an abundance of anecdotal evidence suggesting that hydroxychloroquine (with zinc, etc.) can be an effective prophylactic drug, Drudge featured a link front and center yesterday, asserting that some woman took the drug for years, and STILL got Covid-19. How many things are wrong with that headline? Two glaring idiocies take my attention: the fact that it actually highlights what might very well be the exception to the rule, and the fact that she GOT the disease, but apparently didn’t die of it, which means it’s possible she would have died of it if she wasn’t taking the drug.

    The coordinated political attack against a drug that is most likely saving some lives is beyond inexcusable; it’s homicidal. Got that, Drudge? I’ve got one foot out the door, man. Better watch your step.

    • Replies: @CJ
  62. Hail says: • Website
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Share of total corona-positive deaths by birth cohort, Sweden
    (n=3,678 at time of calculation, four days ago)

    b.1920s, about 24.5% of deaths (also incl. a few b.1910s centenarians)
    b.1930s, about 41.5% of deaths
    b.1940s, about 22.5%
    b.1950s, about 7%
    b.1960s, about 3%
    b.1970s, about 1%
    b.1980s, about 0.3%
    b.1990s, exactly 0%
    b.2000s, exactly 0%
    b.2010s, exactly 0%

    You read that right, zero deaths born in 1990 or later. Practically zero born 1970 or later. This in “Stay-Open Sweden.”

  63. @Achmed E. Newman

    Considering that social media has caused Andy Warhol’s observation to come to pass – that in the future everyone will be famous for fifteen minutes – the sample size is actually significant. And, speaking of corona:

  64. Hail says: • Website

    Most of these celebrities are pretty obscure

    Not obscure for long! Anyone so blessed, so fortunate as be able to die corona-positive, gets a Corona-Apotheosis.

    Future textbooks will inform masked children as they sit six feet apart (a smaller number of children, due to the birthrate drop; but we had to Fight Corona), on how these 115 were among the top celebrities of our time.

    Some texts, for older students, will include a footnote on how an evil group of anti-Corona bigots malicious denied these celebrities’ fame, honor, and glory. The unpatriotic anti-Corona bigots even claimed that Fred The Godson was not among top musicians of the 2010s!

    • Replies: @Liberty Mike
  65. @Mr McKenna

    Well, we’ll see how far that goes. More of the Great and Good watch PMSNBC and the Clinton News Network than read The Guardian. To my knowledge there has been virtually no coverage on either of those two outlets about Koomo and the nursing homes (sending Covid positive people back to the nursing homes borders on outright criminal negligence) and in any event Koomo is now, theoretically at least, a possible stand-in for Ramblin’ Amblin’ Stubmlin’ Bumblin’ Joe, whose mind appears to be deteriorating by the week.

    • Replies: @George
  66. One of the neat things about that figure of 78.5 years is you can move on to calculate the average life expectancy of a 78.5 year old.

    Obviously, that lumps in healthy 78.5 year olds with sickly ones — but it does give an upper bound to the amount of life that is actually being lost.

    I mean, call me heartless, but I’m sixty one. If I die now, it really is less of a tragedy than if I’d died when I was nineteen.

  67. Trinity says:

    Did the Asian Flu in the 1950s or the Hong Kong Flu in the 1960s actually kill more people? Were there any lock-downs during the Asian Flu epidemic and Hong Kong Flu epidemic?

  68. res says:

    Thanks for the Belgium information. I had been wondering about that and your explanation makes sense.

  69. inertial says:

    It appears to me that the Real Celebrity death rate is precisely zero.

    Real Celebrity is someone whose getting Coronavirus is considered newsworthy. Tom Hanks, Prince Charles, Rand Paul, Boris Johnson, Harvey Weinstein, etc. So, has there been any cases where it had been announced that X has Corona, and then, some time later, that X had died? I can’t think of one such case.

    • Replies: @Faraday's Bobcat
  70. @Buzz Mohawk

    44 / .0012 = approximately 36,600 celebrities required to yield 44 deaths at the same ratio as those for whole New York population.

    I didn’t recognize over 80% of those names on that list, so there very well may be over 40,000 celebrities in NY if the criteria they are using is that many notable people are merely well-known in their field or have some local renown.

    • Agree: Buzz Mohawk
  71. res says:

    Thanks. The demographic data by blood type in Table 1 is interesting.

    Table 2 gives the blood group comparisons. The problem I see is that the Rh- and Rh+ subsets of each ABO blood group often have different effects implied by the odds ratios (OR, meaning one is less than 1 and the other greater than 1). But there are relatively so few Rh- people their results tend not to be significant, and the Rh+ people dominate the combined data.

    I’d be really reluctant to draw conclusions from that data unless you are Rh+.

    • Replies: @Anon
  72. Anon[137] • Disclaimer says:

    Governor “Cuoma” wants everyone to know Covid is a “European Virus”, and repeated that phrase (European Virus) umpteen times in a press talk recently.

    Governor “Cuoma” is responsible for more nursing home suffocations of elderly people than that African Nurse-aid serial killer was about a year back. Cuoma wouldn’t steal the jewelry from their dead bodies directly though, he’d just get through forced-$ales-to-pay-New-York-taxe$.

  73. My guess is that actual famous current celebrities are usually skinny and able to afford to self-isolate.

    Bruddah Iz, yesterday’s Google doodle, reached 3/8 of a ton. I don’t think he got around much. He died at 38. His brother died at 28 from similar conditions, even though he had served in the Army just a few years before.

    How iz the pandemic affecting the grossly obese? What are they using for masks? N1095s?

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Mr McKenna
  74. anon[225] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    It is as though 20th century allowed many undesirable genetics to survive and even propagate. Nature is doing the cleanup now. Post Covid, humanity will be younger, fitter and more lifestyle-disease-free.

  75. Lumberjack struck by falling tree; dies of Covid-19.

  76. @Hail

    Obscure octogenarian playwright, aroused by sylphid, has coronary; dies of Covid-19.

  77. @Achmed E. Newman

    Meanwhile, NYC cabbie slain by “jogger;” dies of Covid-19.

  78. @Hamilton was right

    I was reading this story only today:

    Then it got to the bit about his boyfriend. Is there – perish the thought – something about the homosexual lifestyle that might lead to compromised immune systems?

    • Replies: @Templar
  79. @Steve Sailer

    Many Congressmen are not terribly rich.

    More are rich than not very rich. You might first arrive in Congress as a person of limited means, but if you play along with the game, it is one of the surest paths a person of mediocre talent can take to become a millionaire.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  80. rexl says:

    Maybe I’m just stupid, I am but…All I see are people who have died from covid 19, and people who have been tested and are positive, or who have covid 19. I never see the number who are tested.

    I must admit, I am quite bored of the whole thing.

  81. Malcolm Y says:

    Well it’s pretty sad John Horton Conway died.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  82. Muggles says:

    It seems to me, based on just routine “news” of people’s deaths given publicity for their presumed “celebrity” status, COVID-19 is the least of their worries unless over the usual age 50 mark or even farther. Even then. prior bad lifestyle choices might be worse for many of them.

    These people appear to kill themselves more frequently (than average people) by:

    –drug overdose
    –alcohol poisoning
    –car/airplane accidents
    –killing by spouse, housemate, “partner”, drug dealer, rarely a “fan”
    –untreated health issues, depression
    — suicide

    There may be a few more. Feel free to add to the list.

    Not only are there certain personality factors which may cause premature death (narcissism for instance) but the “fleetness of fame” can create many later problems. Faded athletes, former “stars”, etc. do not always take obscurity well.

    Also, many are one-trick ponies who in their youth fail to develop any Plan B skills or knowledge to fall back upon. Also, being surrounded by sycophants and parasites and losing one’s EZ fortune makes bad choices very tempting. Being considered “an old failure” isn’t what most of us deal with. Many celebrities become that when young, and few age well, or any better than average.

    If you are “famous” for something intellectual or heroic, then you might avoid most of these risks.

  83. Redman says:

    I don’t get why there hasn’t been more questioning about the death data.

    The CDC always calculates deaths from seasonal flu by estimates. In 2017-2018 they initially reported 80k deaths and then lowered that to 61K in early 2019. 7 months later.

    Why do we assume precise “real time” accuracy here when that has never been the norm? I get how there’s more urgency now to get real time data, but with that comes political and economic incentives to potentially inflate the numbers as well.

  84. George says:
    @Prester John

    Nursing homes were about half the deaths in NJ. A-list celebs probably are not in NJ nursing homes.

    Total Lab Confirmed Deaths

    NJ COVID-19 Long Term Care Facilities Dashboard
    Deaths Reported – Residents* 5,456

  85. Redman says:
    @Steve Richter

    Having had it and recovered, I’m very interested in this as well. Far too soon to have good information on this though.

  86. Redman says:

    Not saying this with any level of certainty. But what about the Wogard report that Hydroxychloroquine is actually harmful to Blacks?

    I’d never heard of him before, but he seems to have been right about a lot at the start of the panic. Maybe his theory is correct. I thought Steve might have been more interested in the HBD angle of it.

    I have no idea whether doctors in NY are giving patients Hydroxychloroquine, but it sounds like they’re taking it themselves on the down low.

  87. Farenheit says:

    More are rich than not very rich. You might first arrive in Congress as a person of limited means, but if you play along with the game, it is one of the surest paths a person of mediocre talent can take to become a millionaire.

    Many a WAG has stated, “A poor politician is a poor politician”

  88. Anonymous[192] • Disclaimer says:

    Neil was from all accounts a wonderful guy but the fact is, he was the commander of that particular mission because NASA felt that he could handle the notoriety of being the first man down the ladder the best of any of the astronaut corps. Any one of them could have done as well in flying the mission.

    I remember when Armstrong was doing Chrysler ads. I was working for an electronics plant that was doing work for a Chrysler subsidiary and at the same time researching a book on the Chrysler Turbine Car program (which I abandoned after being ‘convinced’ there was no market…actually, there would have been), so it was memorable.

    But Armstrong’s endorsement struck me funny. What did a test pilot/astronaut know about cars? He had a serious engineering background, and historically Chrysler was known for fine engineering-but Iacocca had taken over and he was a trend-sniffer and a style guy, not an engineer. And at that time the popular motoring press was babbling on about the innovativeness of Chrysler’s FWD line with the water cooled turbo housings but in reality their reliability and overall fit and feel were mediocre at best. My father bought my mother a LeBaron and sure enough, two months out of extended warranty the cam belt broke and they wound up buying a new long block. A year later, the transaxle took a Schumer on her in the middle of Indiana. She wound up abandoning the car ( it got sold for a little bit, maybe a couple thousand: the paint was already peeling and the seat leathers torn) and neither of my parents ever looked at a Chrysler product again. Dad would never own a foreign car, but when he died we made sure my mother got a Toyota or Honda product.

  89. CJ says:

    My understanding is that Matt Drudge sold the majority of the site’s holding company about a year ago and has little involvement with the current product. Correct me if I’m wrong. I quit reading it myself a while back.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  90. @Reg Cæsar

    Bruddah Iz, yesterday’s Google doodle, reached 3/8 of a ton.

    The less I use Google, the happier (and smarter) I am.

  91. @Malcolm Y

    Conway was a great mathematician, right?

    Many people on this list of notables weren’t celebrities in the Kardashian way, they were often elderly people who had achieved eminence like Conway in an obscure but worthy field.

  92. Polynikes says:

    Why did their death toll get so high? They’re an outlier even among the worst countries.

  93. @brabantian

    ‘over 9000′ (actually “OVER 9000!“) used to be a popular meme. (I used it about 4 times, but then I took an arrow to the knee).

    Main point tho: Belgium has done finally something /b/-worthy (I don’t think that butchering fuzzie-wussies in the Congo is recent enough to count, and same goes for the l’affaire Doutroux pædo-scandal).

  94. J1234 says:

    Wikipedia has a list of “notable people” who are said to have died of COVID-19….

    Interesting. From a cursory glance, the one person I’d heard of who had apparently died of COVID-19, John Prine, wasn’t on the list. Almost as interesting is that I was unfamiliar with all the people who actually were on the list.

    OTOH, I’d heard years ago that John was battling throat cancer, so maybe that was his official cause of death, with COVID being a contributing factor. Anyway, I was sorry to hear of his passing.

    I knew a guy who was a “friend” of John Prine’s. He first met John in an airport, gave him an expensive guitar right there on the spot and, voila, instant celebrity “friendship.” From that point on, he got to hangout backstage at all of John’s concerts (and would travel around the country to do so), befriended his manager and road crew and got to meet his minor celebrity warmup acts. At the time, this person was one of the most materialistic wealthy people I knew – a person for who a $3000-4000 guitar was like a $30-40 guitar for most other people – and it turned out his gift wasn’t so much a gift as a barter or exchange – I’ll pay 4 grand to hang out with you.

    I should mention that it isn’t my intent to trash John Prine. He just may not have been a real good judge of character. The unfortunate thing is that whenever I heard a reference to Prine after that point, that’s what came to mind.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  95. @epebble

    I’m not sure why that should be a surprise. More than 40% of Nigeria, the most populous nation in Africa, is under the age of fifteen, and more than 90% of the country is under the age of fifty-five, while just 3% is over the age of sixty-five.

    Much of the rest of sub-Saharan Africa is similar in age structure.

  96. @anonymous

    There is no way we are ever going to unravel who really died because of this supposedly new virus and who died because they were due.

    As with all things, it will be possible to get a ballpark estimate, by looking at deaths for ICD10 codes J09-J18 (pneumonia and influenza) and the ‘J’ codes more generally (the J’s are diseases of the respiratory system).

    Currently, the CDC’s claiming that there have only been 6,247 influenza deaths for the whole of 2020, versus 88,578 pneumonia deaths. (See CDC’s Daily Updates of Totals by Week and State Table 1.)

    At this rate, the central estimate for full-year influenza deaths will be below the bottom of the 95% CI for every year in the last decade (whether 2020 is below the 95% CI lower bound for 2011/12, depends on October-Dec ‘flu deaths this year).

    In other words, this year will go down as the mildest flu season in the last decade; it will have the lowest peak-season deaths and the tightest 95% CI (and the lowest lower-bound and highest bound). (See CDC’s Disease Burden of Influenza page.)

    It’s also worth noting that the first week in 2020 that had total deaths significantly higher than expected, was the week ending March 28th (the data for that week is probably final or nearly so; they generally give themselves 8 weeks to finalise a given week’s numbers).

    Overall – year to date – total deaths are 2% (~18,000) higher than expected, and ‘peak dying season’ (i.e., the depths of winter) is past.

    It’s hard to get a handle on why influenza deaths are so low. It’s almost as if the medical community is ignoring influenza… maybe something else is distracting them.

    The US winter seems to have been mild. On the NOAA’s comparison site (comparing US regions to their historical records by month), no month between the end of October 2019 and the end of April 2020 has had any region “Very Cold” (relative to its history). It’s worth noting that May 2020 to date has had ~23% of the US classed as “Very Cold”).

    Then again, the same was true for 2018 (a very bad flu year). The broad weather conditions for peak flu season (Dec to Feb) can be summarised using another NOAA tool which shows a 3-month average for temperature relative to historical records (the link is set for Dec-2017 to Feb 2018).


    If full-year 2020 has an outlier year for respiratory deaths but influenza numbers are still ridiculously low (as they are at present), then I would be perfectly happy about declaring that those extra respiratory deaths were made up of
    ⓐ failing to test respiratory-failure deaths for anything and calling it covid19 (i.e., a death-not-even-with), some of which are actually influenza;
    ⓑ actual covid19 deaths-from.

    Point is though: when the results are tabulated, covid19 deaths-from will be able to be approximated by adjusting influenza deaths up to some sensible value.

    The suicides directly generated by the economic devastation caused by the political exploitation of this chronically-ill septuagenarian death-bringer-forward won’t be really obvious for a nother couple of years… same with the deaths from people avoiding treatment for existing serious chronic illness.

  97. @AnotherDad

    Unpleasant (“worse flu of life”, “felt always out of breath”) pathology.

    Every time I’ve seen anyone say stuff like that, it’s always been in a context where you simply don’t get on the air unless you say stuff like that.

    So attention-whores, Insta-tards and drama-queens (e.g., CNN-Cuomo) bray about how their teeth chattered so hard that they broke one of their ceramic crowns (or whatever the fuck)… the sort of “riveting first-person account of survival against the odds” that was used a bunch of times to get a holocaust memoir picked for Oprah’s book club.

    Meanwhile, it turns out that a bunch of people felt shit in November last year; got over it; and fuck me if they don’t test seropositive for SARS-nCoV-2 antibodies (I know how bad those tests are, but still). The governor of New Jersey is a case in point – and he’s a marked man as a result.

    The whole “Oh, if you get it you will feel so bad you’ll want to die” narrative (when in reality the median individual is asymptomatic and less than 5% of infections require hospitalisation) is a bit like the whole “cops put their lives on the line every day” schlock (when the occupational death risk of being a cop is lower than the all-cause death risk of being a 12 year old white girl).

    HousewifeTV narratives are a bit like political pronouncements: the appropriate prior is that there’s less than 10% probability that they’re true.

  98. @Buzz Mohawk

    what this means is that COVID-19 is still killing proportionally more celebrities

    Oh, wow. We need to ban movies and TV and quarantine colebrities from going out in public, for their own protection.

  99. JimDandy says:

    Makes sense. Thanks.

  100. Neoconned says:

    My grandmother is a centenarian and lives in a local care home. I went to see her today. I had to walk to her window and talk at her thru the window to her room per nursing policy. I think that’s reasonable

    Isolate those immunocompromised types and let ppl like me….who’s survived 50+ flu type bugs over the decades get on with our lives.

  101. Kyle says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    44 isn’t big enough of a sample size to conclude that celebrities are dying at a greater rate. And who are these 44 celebrities anyway?

  102. Lagertha says:

    this percentage has been the same, for a century in Finland.

  103. Anon[301] • Disclaimer says:

    One thing I’m wondering about is how good the data is from NY state blood base they’re using to calculate percentages of blood types in the general population. The exotic tropical diseases that blood type A supposedly protects the bearer against are not found in Europe or the US. However, there are plenty of viruses from the various families that spawn flu, pneumonia, and the common cold all over the place. If type A blood makes a person prone to getting more seriously sick from these to the point where they end up on the hospital and have a blood sample taken, then the database they’re using to calculate percentages of blood types in the general population could already be skewed towards type A.

  104. @peterike

    Oh, say it again. These people in our political class and the oligarchs behind them are responsive for murder, mayhem and deprivation all over the world. I fantasize about a Nuremberg Trial 2. Not like the first one though. That was a frame up

  105. Templar says:
    @Henry's Cat

    Severely swollen nipples in both of those pictures.
    Classic sign of steroids.
    Occam’s razor says he eased up on the juice after he got sick and that is the cause of his weight loss.

  106. Anonymous[192] • Disclaimer says:

    I sold an expensive guitar to an acquaintance who intended to do the same thing to another famous musician. It was a specific no longer made model that was used by a different, now long deceased player that “the mark” was known to really dig. This was someone I personally had no interest in and didn’t particularly like, but, to his credit, he figured out the deal and after giving the guy five minutes and a play of the guitar, handed it back to him, told him, “I’ll be right back”, and vamoosed. When the sap tried to contact him again through channels, his palookas told him to mosey along and cease and desist bothering them. So this guy tries to sell me the guitar back. It was an obscure, rare but in little demand model and he paid me a not crooked but high retail price for it. If I bought it back for much less, I’d be the crook, so I told him I was broke and yadda yadda. He sold it to one of the vintage guys eventually for about forty percent of what he paid. A few years later someone else has one on an album cover and uses it on a MTV or VH-1 type show and if he’d held on to it he’d have made money.

    I’d guess John Prine was just too nice a guy, and also, he was at that level of fame where cognoscenti really were into him but he didn’t excite the unwashed masses. Those people are vulnerable to schmucks with some money but not really huge. A car dealer letting someone drive a demo free for a year, someone giving you a guitar or a set of golf clubs or a shotgun (like a Browning or something, not a H&H or Purdey- those are houses that fit in a small case), that sort of thing can be a big deal to people at the John Prine level. On the other hand, when a Joe D can be bought on that level, you rightly call him a cheap son of a bitch. He could as easily buy the dealership as take a crap in their toilet, he doesn’t need to drive their car for free for a year for spending an hour with the owner and letting them take his picture with the staff.

  107. J1234 says:

    Interesting story. I guess that befriend-a-celebrity tactic is more common than I realized.

    I don’t miss selling guitars (I quit about a dozen years ago.) I loved the instruments and met some great people, but there were also a lot of buffoons.

  108. @The Alarmist

    I had a very good friend who got elected to Congress years ago.

    He was a total straight-arrow, lived a boring family life and hated corruption–didn’t make a dime outside of his salary while in DC.

    He lasted one term.

    His opponent in his re-election bid took lots of money from every special interest in the district and crushed him.

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