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From my new column in Taki’s Magazine:

As you may recall, the Women’s March organization eventually self-destructed in a classic illustration of my thesis of the Coalition of the Fringes as a circular firing squad when Jewish feminists denounced it for contracting with anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan’s Fruit of Islam militia to provide security.

Many Jews became personally sore at Sarsour, long a vocal advocate of her Palestinian people in their struggle with Israel. For example, New York Times staffer Bari Weiss wrote a lengthy attack on Sarsour and colleagues in the Times called “When Progressives Embrace Hate.”

But all these years later, the Times has worked up a much more emotionally satisfactory explanation for why Sarsour’s leftist organization fell apart than that Palestinians and Jews tend not to get along: The Russians did it!

Read the whole thing there.

 
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  1. Batman says:

    Anyone who has ever been seriously acquainted with government can tell you two things. First, government at all levels from the individual bureaucrat to the entire institution is shockingly incompetent. Second, somehow it works. Despite all of the guys leaning on shovels all day, the roads still get paved.

    Don’t fall into this trap with psyops. It may surprise you that psyops are effective despite being incompetently run by incompetents. It’s just how government works.

  2. Altai says:

    Or maybe the psyop is that psyops work…

    In reality the reason Putin and Russia became objects of interest to dissidents in the US and Europe was to do with Syria and their intervention to stop another glorious regime change operation. People don’t care about Russia or Putin, they care about there being some kind of force acting against the deranged neocon agenda.

    Of course the most deranged part of the neocon agenda has now become it’s post 2014 Russia policy.

    It’s not because the Russians somehow convinced the disaffected to tout their geopolitical narrative, it was because their geopolitical narrative tended to push back against and contain neocon plans.

    In reality biggest lies and propaganda have been from the MSM in the US and parts of Europe and particularly since the neocon coup in the US after 9/11 with all the wars for Israel dressed up as something else about ‘imminent threats’. We are now also effectively at war with Russia thanks to them. (And have pushed Russia and China together into a strategic alliance in a fuckup so bad even Henry Kissinger has been moved to question the sanity of)

    Incidentally the US psyops corps released a recruitment video recently that is deeply disturbing and makes you wonder what kind of messed up people they are trying to entice to work for them with this video.

    And following lots of pro-neocon State Department bots being exposed by Facebook and Twitter, there is now a review of the US psyops. Apparently since 2013 it has also been legal for the US intel services to conduct psyops on the US population.

    https://archive.ph/SA49A

    In Germany it has now also been revealed that like FBI informants in the KKK, there are so many German intel agents posing as right wing nationalists posting insane shit that they have to keep a master list to keep them from bugging and arresting each other.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/german-domestic-intelligence-running-100s-fake-right-wing-extremist-social-media

    Of course the Israelis with their insane ‘Hasbara’ programme were the true pioneers in all this.

    All this also ignores the changing face of the online environment, the big change that has engulfed the internet is both that it’s discourse is now taken seriously, it constitutes a massive influence on the public and that the powerusers of the main centralised, real name social media are young women. We’re living in the mind of a 15 year with BPD to a degree we never have and the mass politicisation of young women has been a massive change.

  3. If you are as gifted at political opinion-molding as Bari Weiss, you can quit the Times and start your own lucrative Substack.

    Is any part of that sentence true? Is she gifted? Is she making bank on Substack?

  4. Can’t wait for the “Raytheon Steve” charge to be leveled!

  5. @Altai

    We’re living in the mind of a 15 year with BPD to a degree we never have and the mass politicisation of young women has been a massive change.

    For decades the video gaming industry sought to create the perfect video game for women to access the untold billions of spending power held by that demographic.

    It turns out that social media is video gaming pefected for the female demographic.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer, Charon, SFG
    • Thanks: Polistra
    • Replies: @Anon
  6. Coemgen says:

    “Do PsyOps Actually Work?”

    You musn’t have any close relatives or friends who have CNN and/or MSNBC blasting out of their TVs all day, every day.

    The rest of us can only be amazed at how effective certain psyops are at controlling what people think (or at least profess to think).

    Some better questions regarding effective forms of pysops:
    Who pays for them?
    How do they coordinate their broadcast messages (is it via securedrop.org)?

    I think we can answer per se what the ultimate goal, that the majority of pysops are in support of, is ever greater degrees of control over an ever greater number of people by a small number of megalomaniacs.

    • Agree: Alden
  7. Jack D says:

    The English are the best propagandists when it comes to Americans. You would think OUR Queen died, given the wall to wall coverage. Hey, Americans – we had a revolution to GET RID of this lady’s family. The English helped to get us into not one but TWO world wars to help them out.

    Russians OTOH tend to be clumsy propagandists in America because they really don’t understand American culture any more than we really understand Russian culture. We literally speak different languages.

    The Roosians under every bed stuff in the NY Times is just as amusing as the Joos under every bed stuff we see here. People need boogeymen to explain WHY BAD THINGS HAPPEN and WHY THE GOOD GUYS DID NOT WIN. The Coalition of the Fringes is good and noble so if it falls apart its not due to it’s own internal contradictions. It must be ’cause the Roosians dun it with their magic tweets. If white men no longer run the show in America (although last time I checked, Joe Biden was a white man of sorts), it must be because the Joos dun it with their Hollywood brainwashing. Like Steve says, the call is coming from INSIDE the house. Although maybe the Elders of Zion are just paying me to distract you from the REAL ENEMY.

  8. I don’t know if you’d call it PsyOps or not, but I have personal information regarding Chinese efforts to derail President Trump’s ’20 campaign. They were all small things, mind you, such as the Chinese bot-accumulation of tickets to a rally of his in Tulsa, Oklahoma – the idea was to reserve seats that would not be filled, making the audience look small.

    You know how the Chinese are about losing face. However, I don’t think it’s possible for Donald Trump to lose face! Besides, as much as I fault Trump personality-wise, one thing the man’s great at is rallying his base with a good time being had by all (I attended one in the Summer of ’16).

    Yeah, come to think of it, that was a (poor attempt at) a PsyOp. The Chinese, of course, had great reasons for wanting Zhou Bai Dien to come out ahead in ’20.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  9. J.Ross says:

    PsyOps work even if they don’t work. Every day on 4chan there are a ton of obvious fed spamthreads. Even though thinking people can immediately see these are feds, they’re still Dalrympling. Their nominal message fails, sure, but they still signal “the government is illegitimate and the Constitution means nothing and we are God here.” In a way, every (and the only) PsyOp is to claim, and be believed saying, “I own the monopoly of force.”
    ——–
    Nukes! Nukes and hypersonics! Will you die to keep the Nuland Clan wealthy? Answer: Hey, knock it off with the Putin worship!
    ——–
    That Robert Moses joke was probably the funniest and most normie-accessible thing I ever wrote and you moderated it because it went over your head.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  10. From Steve’s article:

    During a big war, some countries can mobilize tremendous propaganda talent. For example, to combat the “America First” movement in 1940, the British government assigned Laurence Olivier and Vivien Leigh to make Hollywood movies about English heroism. Propagandists at the British embassy in Washington included Ian Fleming, Roald Dahl, and David Ogilvy. Hollywood star David Niven served on Field Marshall Bernard Montgomery’s staff…

    I appreciate this mention of the America First movement and the PsyOps response that beat it, because recently I was chastised here for expressing my agreement with Charles Lindbergh who was the biggest spokesman for that movement. The fact that propaganda quashed the movement kind of proves what Lindbergh was saying and kind of supports my point.

    Steve goes on:

    But I doubt that too many social media geniuses work for the Pentagon or Lockheed right now.

    Then again, maybe Raytheon is paying me to say that.

    In that spirit, and with the understanding that these things exist in a house of mirrors, here is a sub-thread I participated in a while back regarding the Ukraine in which I touched on PsyOps.

    [MORE]

    PhysicistDave wrote:


    I do know that guys like Sailer who focus on the give-and-take of territory have zero understanding of military history: you win a war by causing enemy forces to be unable or unwilling to continue fighting.

    Buzz wrote:

    What Steve has is an understanding of marketing. A bold military move that takes territory has propaganda value. It boosts morale and also enables arguments like the ones you see here in favor of the side that took the territory.

    It manipulates the minds of those members of the public who have zero understanding of military history, thus adding support for that side in the war.

    It kind of works the way you correctly explained how government inflation numbers move the stock market whether they are accurate or not.

    It’s a game of perception, and that is what Steve knows, and that is being played.

    Johnny Rico wrote:

    I don’t know. I think you may be overthinking things. My opinion is Steve is a fairly intelligent guy who is a really decent writer at a couple of hundred or a thousand words. And a lot of people here including you and me and Intelligent Dasein would much rather read him then the others here at UNZ and almost everybody writing in the mainstream press. He makes mistakes, he has opinions people disagree with…good.

    Buzz wrote:

    I left the door open to at least two interpretations:

    1) Steve understands that bold grabs of territory can aid the grabbing side simply by creating the appearance of winning, and he sees this grab as thus having real value in the war effort for the side he supports. This is the subtext at one level.

    2) Steve is applying that principle and using this particular bold grab to boost the side he supports, thus actually participating in the war in support of that side. This is a deeper possible subtext of the subtext.

    My view is that the marketing/persuasion aspects of a military move are things Steve would understand. I make no claim to be able to read his mind and know what his intentions are.

    It is possible that this is just another example like the one in physics where the observer effects the experiment. Steve is undeniably boosting the Ukranian side with his writing, and that is his right to do. As you say, it is good that he has opinions people disagree with.

    Yes, I am overthinking this. I can overthink putting my pants on. I often do. It is a problem.

    • Thanks: ic1000
    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Sorel McRae
    , @Art Deco
  11. @Jack D

    Jack, I wrote my comment before I read this. Yes, if you aren’t really familiar with the culture, some PsyOp attempts don’t pan out very well.

    Regarding the Russians under the bed, I’m glad to see you admit this at least. It’s not just the NY Times, but it’s a Neocon (heavily Jewish, you gotta admit) thing. Now, I’ll be told “the Right is the same about China”. I don’t know, man.

    I’m not worried the Chinese will invade militarily – they already have 5-10 million (plenty of illegal) people here already. Most couldn’t care about the CCP, but that’s not the case for some. China has gone in a very bad direction over the last decade. A world run by the current Totalitarian/Orwellian Chinese regime won’t be good for anyone.

  12. Travis says:

    Psyops clearly worked in 2020 to convince Americans that masks could prevent infections from a respiratory virus despite decades of research indicating that masks are worthless against the flu and the common cold. The CDC reversed their early recommendations and used social media to silence any opposition to forced masking. This Psychological operation was implemented by the deep state to instill fear in the population and implement lockdowns to destroy the economy in a successful effort to defeat Trump in the 2020 elections. It worked.

    The first step in the 2020 psyop was forced masking to spread fear and disrupt social interactions in order to impose lockdowns to destroy the economy and create civil unrest. Social media firms colluded with the Federal government to silence all opposition from their lockdown agenda. The media spread the lies from the CDC to convince people that masks would save lives despite zero evidence that masks worked and plenty of studies indicating that masks could not stop the spread of viral particles too small to be blocked by masks. Even the manufacturers of masks warn that they will not stop the spread of viruses. N-95 masks cannot be used when working with asbestos, because they do not protect people from breathing in asbestos particles (which are twice as large as the covid virus particles)

    While the mask manufacturers continued to have warnings on the boxes that the masks would not prevent viral infections, social media silenced people from stating the the same facts. Surprised the government allowed the manufacturers of masks to state on their product that masks do not protect you from COVID while forcing people to wear the useless masks. The whole point was psyops, to scare the population because frightened people are easier to control.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman, J.Ross
    • Replies: @Kylie
    , @BB753
  13. @Altai

    . We’re living in the mind of a 15 year with BPD to a degree we never have and the mass politicisation of young women has been a massive change.

    I dunno about the bipolar part – isn’t it rather anything really, one could think of? Being 15 years old is not least a physiologically instable state of the whole body – including the head and its content.

    Online-ism embraces that physiological instability and insecurity and impatience and aggression and compassion and all that jazz by being instantaneous and thus allowing for spontaneity – the state of mind that is one of those being further away from The Center, so to speak…

    It feels good to get instant rewards. And that is now technically possible in never seen before amounts of interactions. Feels ‘n’ heels – that is therefore the feminine epicenter of large chunks of our public sphere. That and the Coddling of our collective Minds, since narcissism & regreesion are close relatives on this wildly prospering side of life.

    (At a sunny and very pleasant afternoon like this is one, which will see me raoming the woods above the lake in a few minutes, I tend to think, that all that must not lead to much more confusion – if the Western public gets get what’s up here. (Think of the mass-child-abuse-craze of the nineties – all of a sudden it was gone…(but unsung hereos did work hard to make that happen – like Gisela Friedrichsen, Der Spiegel, reporting tirelessly and clear minded from courtrooms all over the country about (not just) this subject).

    • Replies: @Kylie
  14. Jack D says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    The fact that propaganda quashed the movement kind of proves what Lindbergh was saying and kind of supports my point.

    Not at all. Propaganda also quashed the German-American Bund’s pro-Nazi movement. Just because your movement is quashed by propaganda doesn’t mean that it was right in the first place. Propaganda is a tool like a policeman’s gun. Sometimes cop’s guns are targeted at the innocent and sometimes they shoot the guilty. Being shot by the police doesn’t prove that you are innocent (or for that matter guilty either).

  15. Jack D says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I don’t know what it’s going to be like in the future but for the time being at least, China is in a different place than Russia. Russia has what it sees as a fungible commodity that is salable anywhere as its main product and is willing to burn its bridges with the West. The Chinese understand that they still need Western markets to support their economy and are not willing to burn those bridges (yet). Maybe in 10 or 20 years they will be, but not yet.

  16. Do PsyOps Actually Work?

    [takes 3rd booster]

    • Replies: @Forbes
  17. Tiny Duck says:
    @Batman

    Russians hacked the 2016 election to get DOnald Trump elected and destabilize the USA>

    Thats just the truth

  18. @Batman

    Steve wrote,

    But I doubt that too many social media geniuses work for the Pentagon or Lockheed right now.

    Perhaps not, but the military and “intel community” have rank upon rank of social media “war fighters” (to say nothing of the immense domestic Media Industrial Complex).

    Maybe none of them are “geniuses”, but as geopolitical victor Stalin noted, “quantity has a quality all its own.”

    • Replies: @Travis
  19. Arclight says:

    The psy-op that is the theory of intersectionality and promotes the concept of systemic racism as been a smashing success. Over the course of one summer with hugely destructive riots, a slew of publications, companies, and so on adopted the DIE agenda virtually overnight.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  20. Mike Tre says:

    Well if Putin invaded Ukraine to destroy feminism, then who can blame him?

  21. @Achmed E. Newman

    Regarding the Russians under the bed, I’m glad to see you admit this at least. It’s not just the NY Times, but it’s a Neocon (heavily Jewish, you gotta admit) thing.

    You guys are over a decade behind.

    No one listens to the Neocons anymore.

    Kristol and his pals aren’t given a mainstream platform. They have their fake magazine (propped up by wealthy donors) that no one reads. I’ve seen it at the airport but not anywhere else. Might as well talk about what the editors of Dog Fancy have to say.

    They lost credibility over Iraq/Afghanistan and Trump ushered in a new era where promoting globalism in the middle east is heavily scrutinized.

    The Neocon way of thinking was always doomed because it relies on keeping secrets. That doesn’t work in the information age. They believe the public has to be told lies for their own good. Well how do you maintain that belief with the internet? Their founder didn’t imagine the internet just like a lot of pre-internet leftist and libertarian theorists that never imagined the public would be able to fact check their bullshit from home.

    • Replies: @mc23
    , @Sorel McRae
  22. @Jack D

    Not at all. Propaganda also quashed the German-American Bund’s pro-Nazi movement.

    It wasn’t propaganda that their leader committed tax evasion and misappropriated funds to spend on a mistress.

    What a surprise that Americans weren’t enamored with them.

  23. @Jack D

    It proves Lindbergh’s point about who was using propaganda to push America into the War!

    It supports my point because inherent in my point and America First is the view that a nation should not go to war as a result of propaganda from special interests!

    I am in too good a mood for Hasbara and Talmudic arguments today, Jack.

    Good bye.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Anonymous
  24. this is definitely one of the worst sailer pieces ever written

    embarrassingly bad

    does dropping flyers in war zones work? probably not

    talk to me about movies, TV, news

    “oh that’s not a psyop”

    • Agree: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Disagree: James N. Kennett
    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    , @Lurker
  25. Many Jews became personally sore at Sarsour, long a vocal advocate of her Palestinian people in their struggle with Israel.

    Sort of. I’m familiar with Sarsour from when I worked at the NYC Council, and it’s hard to say if she has much of a constituency among her own people. Her main allies are, of course, progressive NY Jews like Controller Brad Lander, a Chaim Rumkowski-like ultra progressive commie.

    Hijabis are in great demand for progressive photo ops, and Linda is always up for it. But she also sits in the Council gallery dropping f-bombs about various white men speaking during stated meetings. This is not something Hijabis are supposed to do. Also her husband is a mysterious figure never seen- they’re either divorced or separated, but she is not your typical Muslima. Maybe he’s in Guantanamo.

    Sarsour is more of an all-rounder for the progressive left, driven by deep resentment and hatred of America and the generous white people who took her family in because they felt sorry for her. If this was 1973 we would be seeing her on TV reading demands for airplane hijackers.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    , @Jack D
  26. Jack D says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    “Propaganda” originally had a neutral meaning similar to “publicity” or “advertising” or “public service messages”. It got a bad rep because it was used by totalitarians to convince people of lies.

    Suppose you brush your teeth frequently or quit smoking as a result of “propaganda” by the ADA or the American Cancer Society. Suppose some of this propaganda stretches the truth a little bit (say that smoking will give you wrinkles in an effort to appeal to young women). Does the fact that you were persuaded to do so by “propaganda” mean that it is wrong for you to do so?

    Lindbergh was not wrong to say that the British and “the Jews” (I use scare quotes because “the Jews” are not an organized entity like the British Government) were trying to get the US to join the war using any and all means available to them fair and foul including propaganda both true and false (it was an existential struggle for them) but that doesn’t mean that they weren’t advocating for America to do the right thing.

  27. Anonymous[183] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    No, he makes a good point. In real life, there tend to be “special interests” on all sides of an issue, so it doesn’t make much sense to base decisions on which side is supported by “special interests”. Supporting the Allies (pre Pearl Harbor) obviously sounds better to some groups than others, but so does not doing that.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  28. Truth says:

    Have the same families been rich for 3-500 years now?

    Great, then I guess they work.

  29. Dmon says:

    “Do PsyOps work?”

    From commenter Bard of Bumperstickers in the Minnesota thread a couple of posts back:

    “Americans think country is 40% black, 30% gay, 22% trans.”:
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/political-theatre/americans-think-country-is-40-black-30-gay-22-trans/

    So, yes.

  30. @Jack D

    Suppose you brush your teeth frequently or quit smoking as a result of “propaganda” by the ADA or the American Cancer Society. Suppose some of this propaganda stretches the truth a little bit (say that smoking will give you wrinkles in an effort to appeal to young women). Does the fact that you were persuaded to do so by “propaganda” mean that it is wrong for you to do so?

    Yes. It is morally and intellectually wrong to proceed from false premises, and it is doubly wrong to induce others to do so. Human actions are not virtuous unless the human subject not only identifies the right end and the right means to the end, but also chooses the right end for the right reasons. Anything less than this is not virtuous but is, at best, merely pragmatic modulo certain circumstances, and that only accidentally.

    How in the world can you say that it is right to lie to somebody (which is a sin) and appeal to their vanity (which is a sin) in order the persuade them to quit smoking (which is not a sin)? This kind of moral inversion is the very logic of hell.

    • Agree: Buzz Mohawk
  31. @Jack D

    Both America First and the German-American Bund were right. It’s not the job of goyim to die for jews, and judging by their absolute ingratitude towards White Russians and White Americans for liberating them, the US would have been better off staying out of Europe.

  32. Muggles says:

    Given the out sized influence of Jews, particularly very pro Israel ones, in the nation’s media, why would anyone believe that a few supposed Russian tweets on this arcane subject of “Women’s March” leadership be of any real consequence?

    The percentage of feminist Jewish leadership as opposed to everyone else is probably at least 1/3 of the total.

    This isn’t a criticism of Jews (in some areas gays have similar out sized influencers) but if one “notices” such anomalies it should raise questions about objectivity.

    Small ideological-political activist groups attract paid or otherwise subsidized types who can afford the time and energy to “be active” and devote time and personal resources. Washington DC is rife with them. Follow the money.

    Sure, foreign actors can and probably do try to join in the fun (Twitter is ideal for this) but who pays attention to these? Mainly young left leaning women, who are reading hundreds of these tweets daily anyway.

    iSteve correctly notes repeatedly that the “coalition of the fringes” (a classic Marxist and old style commie tactic) is highly dependent on not forming the classic “circular firing squad.”

    Average folks tend to ignore highly ideological groups for good reason, particularly when they are funded by small cadres of insiders whose finances are usually hidden or opaque.

    Anyone seen the BLM tax returns or financials lately? Where are the leftists-Dems always bleating about “transparency” and accountability? The millions raised in this scam have disappeared down the MSM news black hole.

    One current trend in the current politco-economic environment: both Russia and China have largely stopped their general public “social media” propaganda efforts. Now only narrowly focused on official foreign policy matters (Ukraine, Taiwan). Resources are no longer available for generic “trouble making” and stirring the larger pot of general discontent.

    Government funded troll-ism is a declining industry. Though on the crazy right wing fringes, I’m sure the FBI and other state police organs are still in business. Facebook and Twitters are likely still dutifully volunteering to snitch out foolish users…

  33. BB753 says:

    Of course, psy-ops work. That’s why we have the Rand Corporation, the CIA and every branch of the military does have psy-ops departments.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_warfare

  34. Thea says:

    Using Raise the Red Lantern as a template….
    Linda Sasour, Jewish women, white liberals and women “of color” all married Mohamed in order.

    As a first wife, and real Muslim “of color,” sasour’s position is secure and she gets to boss the other wives around knowing their husband has her back.

    The second and third wives want to increase or maintain their status in the family. Bitter cat fights ensue, even bringing the children into the fray.

    The fourth wife is one quarter of Mohammed’s age and doesn’t particularly want to be married to him or want his affections. She was from a poor family who essentially sold her into this mess. She haplessly manages to get dragged in to the power struggles of the other wives without much agency of her own. She can often be found milling about in the hallways not sure how she got there. Her recklessness gets one of the other wives killed.

    Mohamed just carries on collecting new wives to replace the old.

  35. @Altai

    In Germany it has now also been revealed that like FBI informants in the KKK, there are so many German intel agents posing as right wing nationalists posting insane shit that they have to keep a master list to keep them from bugging and arresting each other.

    LOL!

  36. Travis says:
    @Almost Missouri

    The deep state PsyOps are effective due to the woke auxiliary troops who can be relied on to target the opposition and use social media to expand the PsyOps to the schools and corporations. They do not require geniuses to spread the propaganda and can rely on the woke auxiliary volunteers to target the opposition and get social media to blacklist dissidents. The quantity of the woke auxiliary forces is so large and unrelenting in their quest to silence opposing views which gives the Psyops the power to eliminate dissidents and impose fear on any American to even question the narrative.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  37. jb says:

    Hey Steve, you might want to consider updating your bio on Taki’s. It currently reads:

    Steve Sailer is a journalist, columnist for VDARE.com, and founder of the Human Biodiversity Institute, which runs the invitation-only Human Biodiversity discussion group for top scientists and public intellectuals. Steve blogs regularly at isteve and has recently published his first book, America’s Half-Blood Prince: Barack Obama’s Story of Race and Inheritance.

    But you haven’t blogged on isteve.blogspot.com for years, and the book link is dead. And are you actually a columnist for VDARE.com, or are you just syndicated there?

    • Replies: @jb
  38. Forbes says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Well, as your post infers, panic porn works. Does panic porn qualify as psyops?

  39. @Jack D

    Someone has said that truth is the best disinfectant. I suppose when you “stretch the truth a little bit” it disinfects a larger area. Or something.

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
  40. jb says:
    @jb

    Hmm. I didn’t add the links to VDARE.com — they were automatically inserted by the site. In fact I noticed them while I was in the editing phase and removed them (since they aren’t in the bio on Taki’s), but the site put them back when my comment was approved. Kind of annoying really. (isteve.blogspot.com wasn’t autolinked in my comment, but apparently that was because I bolded it).

  41. @Altai

    Of course Israelis with their insane ‘Hasbara’ programme were the true pioneers in all this.

    What do you think Israelis pioneered? Propaganda? Propaganda on the intertubes?

  42. @J.Ross

    That Robert Moses joke was probably the funniest and most normie-accessible thing I ever wrote and you moderated it because it went over your head.

    I’m dying to hear it now. Maybe give it another shot.

    • Agree: Polistra
  43. @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Her main allies are, of course, progressive NY Jews like Controller Brad Lander, a Chaim Rumkowski-like ultra progressive commie.

    Was in a meeting with him once; spot on.

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
  44. Yes, they sometimes do.
    Recent rather big example: the George Floyd riots.

    more than a few very clear-cut examples from a current conflict in Europe as well…

  45. Rob McX says:

    The last 60 or so years has been one huge psyop, conducted with such thoroughness that most Americans aren’t even aware of its existence. They have been steeped in the propaganda of racial and sexual equality, mostly by agents who are not officially part of the state, i.e. the media and entertainment industry.

    When a foreign state conducts some kind of psyop, it can’t hope to reach this level of saturation. No matter what way you look at it, the effects of any Russian interference in US affairs must be negligible compared to the achievements of the domestic mind-shapers.

    • Troll: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Dmon
  46. it’s now outright bizarre how far Steve will go to avoid mentioning stuff like Hasbara, or Bolshevik-American efforts to control the internet. here he’s literally writing an article about psyops but he doesn’t talk about the operators that are the best at psyops per capita.

    they’re so good at psyops that they got the Original Noticer to not notice them. it’s one thing to pin the blame for something on a third party (the Russians did it!) but to get the self appointed original noticer of things to never notice them is something else.

    i do appreciate how they’ve made the average American so stupid they can’t even think straight. KGB efforts to interfere in and manipulate US politics were 100 times larger in scope and funding 40 years ago. Russian efforts today are almost nothing by way of comparison. \$100,000 today versus the serious espionage of the Cold War – actual spies, stealing science and technology, double agents, traitors, informants, large scale organized operations to promote communism involving hundreds of people, funding anti-American politicians in the US.

    in contrast, the US State Department post Cold War has run a VERY successful psyop getting Americans to actually believe it is the Russians who are always trying to start a war, when in fact it’s been the US State Deparment running coups in eastern europe for decades now, slowly moving their puppet control countries towards Russia. they’ve actually got Steve to believe it all, and he thinks Russia is the bad guy here.

    Do PsyOps Actually Work? i think we can answer with a resounding YES.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  47. Kylie says:
    @Travis

    Great comment, thanks.

    “The first step in the 2020 psyop was forced masking to spread fear and disrupt social interactions in order to impose lockdowns to destroy the economy and create civil unrest.”

    And to create a precedent. I think that was an important part of it.

    • Agree: Adam Smith
  48. @Buzz Mohawk

    I thought it was provoking the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor (via an oil embargo, lending a small air force to Chiang Kai-shek, etc.) was what squashed the America First movement. I guess it was multifaceted and hard to tell–like PR in general–what is really doing the trick.

    Still, although weaponizing Hollywood was pretty slimy and underhanded, it didn’t directly get people killed, at least not until the war started, of course. (Then what, about 60 million?)

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  49. Not Raul says:

    OT

    It looks like the UK’s new Chancellor of the Exchequer is either on drugs, or severely mentally ill.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    , @BB753
  50. BB753 says:
    @Travis

    The end goal was a triple mRNA shot in every arm, a digital currency linked to a sanitary passport and the great reset.
    It was such a successful psy-ops that even now Steve Sailer can’t even see it.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  51. Mehen says:

    Steve: OT, but El Gato Malo has another long-form essay about the moralization of science and uses IQ and racial differences to discuss the issue. I suspect the comment section might be a fun place for you to frolic in:

    https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/restoring-the-engine-of-everything

  52. @Achmed E. Newman

    I’m not saying that I, for one, welcome our coming Chinese overlords (unless, of course, they make me an offer), but could they be much worse than the misanthropic psychopaths we have now?

    Look at how the Chinese govern, if you can call it that, the Africans and others under their mercantile neocolonialism: do you see them mutilating their children’s genitalia (or preventing them from doing so themselves, if so-inclined)? Do you see them forcing Chinese male/African female coupling as cultural standards in advertising and mass media? They can’t exactly go all “Greetings Fellow Africans!” credibly, but, even if they could, do really think they would try to promote “the sanctity of our Confucio-Animist values”? Have you seen them trying to push porn, homosexuality, feminism, sexualization of children, trannies, furries, etc., etc. onto the Africans?

    Divide and conquer, sure. All ethnic overlords do that, including our own, so that’s a wash. And they eat dogs, so there’s that, but they don’t make anyone else do it. They’re sharp dealers and notorious corner-cutters but, I’ll take caveat emptor any day over reckless war-mongering all over the world.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  53. Of course they work. Iraq’s Weapons of Mass Destruction, Serbian Auschwitzes, COVID, Russiagate, St. George of Fentanyl, the January 6 “insurrection.”

    US psy-ops specialists have a whole raft of psy-ops waiting to be rolled out. They know they’ll need to be at the top of their game to get people to swallow outcomes like this. November 2024 will be absolutely lit.

    That’s why I say if even the DMV-ladies running elections in urban precincts can’t keep Ron DeSantis out of the White House, the first thing he should do is dismantle the nukes, because the very next Democratic administration will target Red State America with them. I bet those coordinates are already getting dialed in.

  54. mc23 says:

    When two of the main Communist Russian newspapers were named Truth and another News, a Russian joke was:

    “There is in pravda in Izvestia, and no izvestia in Pravda.”
    (’There is no truth in news, and no news in truth.”)

    I used to read several newspaper & would compare styles of writing and versions of the same story. At some point it changed and it seemed like all the stories were coming from a single point of truth. it seemed to coincide with the growth of the internet. It had to be top down.

    I had been very skeptical of claims that a handful of corporations controlled the news overriding the initiative and freedom of the mass of their employees. It didn’t seem possible. As a longtime informal observer and customer I came to accept that news and truth could be controlled. It was like a flying a plane by instruments. My senses said one thing but instruments said another, the plane was flying in a different direction.

    [MORE]

    I used to believe MK Ultra was stopped. Who could do such things? It would be like surgically mutilating a child in the trough’s of gender dysphoria. Now realize Ultra was too useful & simply repackaged, maybe in a less extreme form… I hope.

  55. Jack D says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    If Lander is Rumkowski in your allegory, who plays the part of Hans Biebow, his Nazi overseer?

    After the war, Biebow escaped to Bremen (probably waiting for a boat to Argentina) but was recognized by a survivor of the ghetto and arrested. After he was extradited by the Allies to Łódź, he stood trial from April 23 to April 30, 1947. He was found guilty on all counts and executed by hanging.

    Rumkowski, according to legend, was beaten to death upon his arrival at Auschwitz by his fellow Jews.

    When and how can we expect justice for our Rumkowski and Biebow?

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
  56. Off-topic but relevant: wow, Putin just *officially* threatened the United States of America for it’s participation and that of it’s European satellites for helping the Ukranian war effort. It’s pretty obvious that, despite Russia’a light-handed approach in this war trying to spare as many Ukranian civilians as possible, that Ukrain would have already folded like a beach chair if it weren’t for NATO secretly and not-so-secretly aiding the Ukranian terrorists.

    It seems like Steve Sailer will get what he has been cheerleading for the last 8 months: a showdown between the U.S.A and Russia. The conclusion to Sailer’s insufferable and endless snarky bragging about Russia “losing” is coming to fruition, but not in the way that Sailer antecipated.

    Putin flat out stated that he is bringing 300,000 men from the Reserve of the Armed Forces, and that he is going to “intensify and diversify urban targetting” which is just code for: “we will raid Ukranian cities to the ground with carpet bombing and long-ranged heavy artillary.”

    Putin has realized that his efforts in winning the propaganda war by sparing Ukranian civilians and restricting his targetting to key military targets and using only light infantry with support from traditional tanks is not working. Putin finally realized that this is *war* ,actual war and not just a “special military operation”.

    Zhalensky and his terrorist regime and the ne0-con Supremacists of the U.S State Department and D.O.D are finally getting what they want. The Industrial-Military complex must be grinning from ear to ear, as their stocks will raise. Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, G.E and Boeing are going to have a fantastic next couple years at the American tax payers’ expense. A country with a National Dept of \$30 trillions of it’s own Dollars, \$850 trade deficits a year for the past 40 years and the worst inflation in it’s entire history is about to go to war with Russia. Let that sink in. Because you know that the Israeli Supremacist fanatics that run the U.S State Department and D.O.D, as well as their WASP lackeys of the defense industry, are not going to back down, even at the cost of Armaggedon. It’s funny that we give Capital Punishment to petty criminals that killed a few people, but a terrotist monster like Victoria Nuland, that might have plunged the World into the Worst War Ever that might cost 600 million lives or more, gets away with it.

    • Agree: Buzz Mohawk
  57. @Kylie

    Sadly many people were hoodwinked by the Covid PsyOp and even today refuse to acknowledge this because they are embarrassed for being so wrong.

    The 2020 Covid PsyOp was successful because it played on the fears of the average American and gave absolute power to the psychopaths in charge to mandate extreme measures to control people and thwart our freedoms.

  58. American political culture is infantile. It invents concepts like “PsyOps” and “deep state” (and probably some others) for old stuff everyone knows about.

    Even “Marxists” have attained a diabolical aura, while in reality most Marxist thinkers (Labriola, Gramsci, Kautsky, Plekhanov, Lucien Goldman, …) were rather tiresome dogmatic & pedestrian bunch.

    PsyOps are, I guess, some media manipulation campaigns. But it has always been so. For instance, English Protestants had been successful in creating Black legend about the scope & depravity of Spanish inquisition; anti-judaists of all kinds have been, and still are, successful with such silly writings as “Protocols of the Elders …”; Lenin was successful with his rhetoric about giving land to peasants (which Bolsheviks never intended to do); Mao’s Cultural revolution was perhaps the biggest PsyOp ever …

    Now, as I write, the most widespread lie, or PsyOp is minimization of race replacement threat & migrant invasion. I don’t think that there is some great plan, just a dogma & censorship that hold people hysterical, stupid & cucked.

    I know this is not a big deal, but I left a reply to reply in the Times of Israel blog section. My reply, where I mentioned Ronald Fisher, French identity & some other things, was deleted.

    We see all that censorship everywhere…

    https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/refugees-asylum-seekers-and-us/
    …………………..
    Me:

    This article is, because of its blind idealism- death sentence for any developed country & nation. Developed countries are, let’s be frank, either white/European or east Asian, with a small number of “others”. Generally- Africans, most Muslim countries, a big chunk of India and Latino Mestizos can’t attain levels of modern, relatively successful societies (oil oligarchies aside). Small Denmark, 5.8 M people, has a bigger GDP than Pakistan, 220 M inhabitants. And now, it is natural that men & women from “failed societies” want to find a better life in affluent & functioning countries. But- this is a global mistake. They will simply sink those countries- if they accept them. Instead of the 1st, 2nd and the 3rd world, you’ll have only the 3rd world. To put it even more clearly- universal humanism is suicide for the successful, but faint of heart nations. With a bunch of Pakistanis or Moroccans or Somalis, Denmark or France would not be livable anymore. Even more- why would any nation be swamped by aliens? China won’t let aliens; Japan won’t let them in; Russia won’t let them in. But stupid Sweden, US, France, UK… are digging their own graves.

    Some guy:

    This is pure racism; Not the philosophy of Jews, or any civilized people. I wonder who you are trying to represent.

  59. @Coemgen

    You musn’t have any close relatives or friends who have CNN and/or MSNBC blasting out of their TVs all day, every day.

    That was my response.

    The US government doesn’t need to spend money on domestic psyops. Not a dollar.

    Our establishment media will happily dupe the masses.

    That includes Fox and their bullshit narrative about the market being everything and race not existing.

  60. @Anonymous

    We can argue all day about whether or not America going to war for Great Britain, Jews, and the Roosevelt Administration actually turned out to be a good thing, but my point is that you must not go to war for special interests that are not equivalent to your country and your people.

    And that is what the PsyOps effort by those three groups was for, and that is exactly what Lindbergh and America First argued. In that sense Lindbergh was correct — as I have stated — and the evidence Steve writes supports that part of his argument and mine.

    The mere fact that I have to respond and explain that yes I do understand the distinction makes me feel condescended to, and it makes me feel like I am condescending to those to whom I am responding. Jack’s little detail, like so many of his, is OBVIOUS and needs not be argued. He is simply using it to divert this argument. (Either that or he is too stupid to understand the distinction.)

    Yes, yes, yes, I understand what THAT argument is (anybody with a three-digit IQ can.) That is not my argument here, but it sure is convenient for anyone who wants to grasp at it to argue in favor of the special interests that wanted America to join in a war on their side when this country didn’t need to be in it at all.

    As I say, this is a house of mirrors. Sure, propaganda is everywhere and always, and you can’t always tell where it is coming from or even when it is intended to be propaganda. Steve correctly in this article makes fun of that fact.

    But if the only sources of arguments in favor of going to war come from groups that are not synonymous with you or your country, then you’d better think twice — especially if you live in a country that does not need to go to war.

    • Thanks: ic1000
    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Corvinus
  61. Here’s a fun off-topic story about the “Federal charges [that] have been brought against 47 people in Minnesota who were allegedly connected to a sprawling \$250 million fraud of COVID-19 childhood nutrition relief funds via the nonprofit Feeding Our Future.”

    The media makes you search a little bit for the list of names, names which don’t sound very Scandinavian. Full list of names at bottom of story. Just how many variations on the name “Mohammed” can there be?

    https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/breaking-47-charged-in-250m-feeding-our-future-covid-19-fraud-scheme

  62. @Jack D

    [MORE]

    So likewise, a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification. It leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained, and by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld. And it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favorite nation), facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with popularity; gilding, with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good, the base or foolish compliances of ambition, corruption, or infatuation.

    As avenues to foreign influence in innumerable ways, such attachments are particularly alarming to the truly enlightened and independent patriot. How many opportunities do they afford to tamper with domestic factions, to practice the arts of seduction, to mislead public opinion, to influence or awe the public councils. Such an attachment of a small or weak towards a great and powerful nation dooms the former to be the satellite of the latter.

    Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government. But that jealousy to be useful must be impartial; else it becomes the instrument of the very influence to be avoided, instead of a defense against it. Excessive partiality for one foreign nation and excessive dislike of another cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other. Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests.

    Our detached and distant situation invites and enables us to pursue a different course. If we remain one people under an efficient government. the period is not far off when we may defy material injury from external annoyance; when we may take such an attitude as will cause the neutrality we may at any time resolve upon to be scrupulously respected; when belligerent nations, under the impossibility of making acquisitions upon us, will not lightly hazard the giving us provocation; when we may choose peace or war, as our interest, guided by justice, shall counsel.

    Why forego the advantages of so peculiar a situation? Why quit our own to stand upon foreign ground? Why, by interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe, entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition, rivalship, interest, humor or caprice?

    — from George Washington’s Farewell Address, 1796

    • Replies: @Jack D
  63. Altai says:
    @Altai

    And I stupidly forgot to mention the biggest most destructive psyop of them all ‘Russiagate’ a programme by the neocons and their intel buddies so successful that even today vast amounts of particularly female upper middle class people even in the highest levels of politics think is real. Jeh Johnson even said while in the Biden admin that the increased hostility towards Russia, emerging from no new developments on their side was “revenge for 2016”. Biden has taken a turbo hardline stance because he had to live up to the ideal that ‘Russiagate’ was real.

    This despite the fact that Trump even made a point to send even more arms to Ukraine to prove the lie wrong. That it began with Syria and Trump’s comments on further US involvement and Hilary and her State Department being the creators of ISIS is also forgotten. Most sufferers of TDS can’t tell you what Putin’s agenda was in putting in place his Manchurian candidate was.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
  64. @Jack D

    Rumkowski, according to legend, was beaten to death upon his arrival at Auschwitz by his fellow Jews.

    When and how can we expect justice for our Rumkowski and Biebow?

    I dunno, but if there’s justice Brad walks his pantomime Frum fedora right into a Knockout Game in progress.

  65. @Jack D

    “because the Joos”

    During the Babylonian Captivity the Judeans developed Kabbalah, a system of mysticism that really functioned as a psychological operation. After the Judeans were released from their captivity by Cyrus of Persia, the Kabbalists went to work infiltrating Zoroastrianism, the Persian religion. A result of this infiltration was the dying-god cult known as Mithras, and the missionaries of the cult known as Magi, who traveled the Ancient Near East, spreading the doctrine of Kabbalah under the guise of Mithraism.

    In Greece, Mithraism was known as Orphism. Greek philosopher Pythagoras fell under the spell of Orphism, who in turn influenced Plato. Neoplatonism and Mithraism became important mystical traditions which shaped the culture of Rome.

    In Alexandria, the Magi developed a cross-fertilization of Greek philosophy and Kabbalah which eventually spawned Hermeticism and Gnosticism.

    Using your vernacular, the ancient “Joos” scored a spectacular psyop using the Kabbalistic system to subvert the religious traditions of the Ancient Near East to their benefit. The Persian Empire, Greece, and Rome carried Kabbalistic infections which made their priests and philosophers unwitting transmitters of occult Jewish doctrine.

    • LOL: kaganovitch
    • Replies: @SFG
  66. Jack D says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Washington was a brilliant man – as you can see here, a wonderful writer but also a surveyor, an entrepreneur, a military man, a political leader. A once in a century man. (Too bad he was a slave holder too – someday that will negate everything else). If you compare his writing to Joe Biden’s Corn Pop stories, it’s as if he existed on a different, higher plane, like the difference between Mozart and Megan Thee Stallion.

    BUT , he was a man of his times. Although he is purporting to give us advice for all time, he is actually speaking very specifically of the political situation in America AT THAT VERY MOMENT. Specifically the French were meddling in American politics and rather than calling them out by name he purported to give this “timeless” and “general” advice.

    It’s nevertheless possible that his advice was generalizable to the situation as it existed during WWII but, while Washington was incredibly foresighted, I don’t think he could have foreseen the changes in the world in a century and a half. In Washington’s time, America was protected by a 3,000 mile moat that required a month to cross. By 1941, while transatlantic bombers were not yet possible, they were only a few years away. As I have mentioned before, Lindbergh himself had a lot to do with this – it’s super ironic that the man who shrunk the world wanted to pretend as if it was as big as before.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
    • Troll: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    , @Anonymous
  67. @random person

    “this is definitely one of the worst sailer pieces ever written”

    Your comment makes me want to disable my ad-block to gain access to Taki’s. But I have to stay strong. Please send a hand-written transcript of the article to Art Deco’s maildrop and he’ll get it to me.

    “embarrassingly bad”

    It’s the Shimmery.

    “‘oh that’s not a psyop’”

    In Jimmy Saville’s Britain and Disney’s America everything is a psyop.

  68. Jack D says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    So here you are arguing in favor of Lindbergh’s isolationism, a position held by maybe 1% or less of mainstream (electable) politicians and historians today and one that Lindbergh himself came to regret and I’M the stupid one?

    • LOL: John Johnson
  69. @Jack D

    … a position held by maybe 1% or less of mainstream (electable) politicians and historians today…

    True to your method and apparent thinking, an argument like this is irrelevant but dovetails nicely with one of the bases of your propaganda. That is, public opinion, mass communication, etc., which itself is victim of the very propaganda you support.

    • Replies: @Sorel McRae
  70. @Jack D

    My later father-in-law, a retired colonel from Ceausescu’s army, told me the professors in the military academy in Bucharest said this about the United States:

    “America has two great generals: General Atlantic and General Pacific.”

    My friend, you are too quick to diminish the importance even today of the two oceans that flank our homeland.

    To take a tack from your own book, I will state the obvious against your obviousness: There is no reason Washington’s wisdom is not applicable today. And I ask you, why does this matter so much to you?

    Really, methinks thou dost protest too much!

  71. @Batman

    Agreed. The average citizen’s knee jerk reaction to approve of government action and condemn bad actions as the isolated work of “a few bad apples” keeps the system rolling along.

    Plus there are high-level sociopaths who enjoy the government protection against criminal prosecution for acts that could otherwise be prosecuted. Much of the upper echelons deep state enjoys murdering/torturing/blackmailing people and, so long as they can plausibly pretend it is in the service of the government they get a pass.

  72. @Buzz Mohawk

    JackD is a fed. Never listen to him. He’s an enemy of and a traitor to the American people.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  73. Jack D says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    And I ask you, why does this matter so much to you?

    I have never (at least to my recollection) brought up Lindbergh’s isolationism here sua sponte. You, OTOH, are constantly dragging out old Lucky’s corpse and trying to breath life into it. So I would respond with a joke:

    A man goes to a psychiatrist. The psychiatrist suggests they start with a Rorschach Test. He holds up the first picture and asks the man what he sees.

    “A man and a woman shtupping in a park,” the man replies.

    The psychiatrist holds up the second picture and asks the man what he sees.

    “A man and a woman shtupping in a boat.”

    He holds up the third picture.

    “A man and a woman shtupping on the beach.”

    This goes on for the rest of the set of pictures; the man says he sees a man and a woman shtupping in every one of the pictures.

    At the end of the test, the psychiatrist looks over his notes and says, “It looks like you have a preoccupation with sex.”

    And the man replies, “Well, you’re the one with the dirty pictures.”

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  74. @Jack D

    Here you are, arguing that you are right because mine is “a position held by maybe 1% or less of mainstream (electable) politicians and historians today…”

    Can you even admit to seeing the circular logic, the absurdity of that?

    No, you either can’t or won’t, because logic or truth is clearly now not your objective.

    You now uphold public opinion, or “mainstream (electable) politicians and historians today” as your evidence — when that popular and prevalent opinion is or certainly can be the victim or result of the very propaganda you are defending! This is one of the roots of this whole discussion!

    You are using the results of what you are defending to defend what you are defending! This is ridiculous! It’s like saying a city is bombed to smithereens so it doesn’t matter that it was bombed! You really are being blatantly absurd and deceptive, and you are trying to pull a trick here!

    Your absurdity is blatant here. The self-serving nature of this subject and the historical results are obvious. One could almost say you just proved my point.

    No, I will go all the way and just say it: You proved my point. You are part of the problem! You are continuing the process, and it stinks like a skunk.

  75. @Jack D

    If white men no longer run the show in America (although last time I checked, Joe Biden was a white man of sorts), it must be because the Joos dun it with their Hollywood brainwashing. Like Steve says, the call is coming from INSIDE the house.

    Breaking news Jack: the Jews are INSIDE the house!

    Jews are smart, and way more prominent in academics, politics and media than even their IQ weight, much less Hollyweird. Comparison to the critique of Russia–actually outside–influence is pretty weird. We’re talking what, 5 orders of magnitude more influence? Or only 4?

    Of course, the Jews aren’t the only “issues” inside the house. We’re got cheap labor grubbing.
    We’ve got you standard American Pilgrim/Unitarian style “shining city on a hill” utopianism. We’ve got your Christian “white man’s burden” “look at my new African baby” types. We’ve got massive elite class snobbery and virtue signaling. And–as Altai’s been pointing out–we’ve now got these uber-conforming attention whoring girls on social media.

    But when it comes to propagandizing minoritariansm generally–including defining it as the virtue to virtue signal about–and especially in the highly toxic sub-categories of (quasi-religious) immigration insanity and race denial, Jews are simple the heavy-weights.

    It is what it is.

    ~~~

    BTW, my solution to the “INSIDE the house” issue–remodeling.

    Move some walls around so the loonies–of whatever ethnic stamp–are all outside the–somewhat smaller–house.

  76. Art Deco says:
    @Batman

    My \$0.02 as a lapsed public employee. I didn’t see much incompetence. Overstaffing and weak employee discipline I did see. A dear friend of mine who was chief of statistics for the local DSS told me ‘there’s a ridgebone of competent people who keep the civil service running. Then there’s the rest.” The rest, in his estimation, were mostly clots who were deer in the headlights when something happened which did not have a rote response.

    • Agree: Curle
    • Replies: @bomag
  77. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    Russians OTOH tend to be clumsy propagandists in America because they really don’t understand American culture any more than we really understand Russian culture.

    I suspect it’s because they actually don’t have much in the way of manners and are bad at human relations generally. Observe Putin’s treatment of the Ukraine over a period of a dozen years; his tools have been the aversive ones.

    • Troll: Je Suis Omar Mateen
  78. Art Deco says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Propaganda did not ‘quash’ the movement. They dissolved out of embarrassment shortly after Pearl Harbor. Lindbergh enlisted.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  79. MEH 0910 says:
    @Altai

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/12/us/politics/russia-information-putin-biden.html
    https://archive.ph/yC6am

    An even more important lesson, according to former officials, was Russia’s interference in the 2016 U.S. election. Critics, including officials from the Obama administration, have said the United States was too passive in drawing attention to Russian influence operations.

    The recent disclosures, said Jeh C. Johnson, a former homeland security secretary, are a way for the Biden administration to avoid old errors and make clear to Mr. Putin that America knows “what you are doing and we are putting your business out in the street and compromising your operations.”

    “This is payback for 2016,” Mr. Johnson said.

  80. Jack D says:
    @Brutusale

    The authors of the article and the sponsor of the poll try to make way too much out of what the poll said. Of course “upholding democracy globally”, which is kind of a vague diffuse goal, is not on most American’s top 5 list. Bread and butter issues like preventing terrorism and drug trafficking occupy much more mindspace. It’s always going to be that way. That doesn’t mean that Americans don’t favor this – it’s just not one of their top priorities.

    If you ask people what their top 5 domestic concerns are, they are always going to say things like wages and prices and taxes and crime, etc. and again “upholding democracy” is not going to be at the tip of their tongue but again this doesn’t mean that Americans are against democracy at home.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
  81. @Altai

    The Rand institute was writing papers on how to break up Russia 40 years ago. Brzezinski obsessed about it since Carter. The hatred for Putin comes from his reversal of Yeltsin’s betrayal when Russian life expectancy dropped by over a decade.

    • Replies: @Curle
    , @Art Deco
  82. Dmon says:
    @Rob McX

    On the nose.
    https://variety.com/2022/film/columns/kenya-barris-wizard-of-oz-lgbtq-1235378308/

    “Kenya Barris Says ‘Wizard of Oz’ Remake Will Include LGBTQ Representation to ‘Reflect the World’”

  83. @Art Deco

    That’s right, Art! You win the trip to Cabo St. Lucas! Right on time with your fellow Jack.

    And what of Pearl Harbor, Art? We will never know, but it was convenient, kind of like 9/11.

    No matter. You win the Christmas turkey for finding a flaw in my writing. Does that negate my point? Hell no, but that doesn’t matter to you nor to Jack.

    Why is this so important to you, and why is it always the same, “usual suspects” who take a particular side in such matters?

    Propaganda stood in opposition to the movement. Pearl Harbor was an attack by Japan. The normal response would have been to make war against Japan. (Notwithstanding the very questionable lead-up to the attack.) That was very much an American/Japanese Pacific Ocean issue having nothing to do with Germany vs. your buddies in Soviet/Communist Russia.

    Hey, notice how Russia is baaad when it is Christian and goood when it is Bolshevik?

    Lindbergh contributed to the American fight against Japan in the Pacific. Did Germany ever attack the United States? No, but Hitler, in his infinite wisdom LOL declared war on the US, which of course gave this country an opening…

    All of the Lindbergh stuff was during the leadup, and your using Pearl Harbor as an argument is predictable (I predicted it would come) but irrelevant. It does not make Lindbergh wrong.

    Of course, according to your paisano Jack, I am preoccupied with the Lindbergh thing, even though he made it an issue when the real issue is American independence from foreign conflicts.

    Truly, all of such conflicts seem to mean just a little to much to people like you and Jack.

    Bottom line: Your comment was predictable and obvious, just like Jack’s.

    • Thanks: Mike Tre
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @Art Deco
  84. @Jack D

    So, Jack, in response to my evidence that opposing militaries (as evidenced by my late father-in-law, a colonel, and his professor at the military academy in the communist block) still viewed as of recently America’s two oceans as important bulwarks against threats, you deflect to some armchair psychology about preoccupation with Lindbergh, when in fact you know my original comment about him was an effort to describe America First as a valid concept.

    Really, Jack, your Hasbara is showing. You should zip up your fly to hide your botched circumcision. It must cause you reduced sensitivity during sexual intercourse. At least mine was done by a surgeon and not a mohel. You and your paisano Art have become offensive.

  85. Anonymous[211] • Disclaimer says:

    Chad Sailer

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Lurker
  86. mc23 says:
    @John Johnson

    Tell that to the neocons. They wear many hats.

  87. Anonymous[401] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Washington was a brilliant man – as you can see here, a wonderful writer but also a surveyor, an entrepreneur, a military man, a political leader. A once in a century man. (Too bad he was a slave holder too – someday that will negate everything else).

    Shouldn’t Washington be praised for providing Blacks with a place to work and live, a roof over their heads, food to sustain themselves?

  88. @Buzz Mohawk

    Buzz, you and I have our differences, but you are orders of magnitude more of real human being than Jack D. It pains me to see you worked up over his trolling. Please be assured that others here see through what he is doing. You don’t need to worry about him. Go enjoy the nice Fall evening, forget about him.

    • Thanks: Buzz Mohawk
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  89. @Buzz Mohawk

    Propaganda stood in opposition to the movement. Pearl Harbor was an attack by Japan. The normal response would have been to make war against Japan. (Notwithstanding the very questionable lead-up to the attack.) That was very much an American/Japanese Pacific Ocean issue having nothing to do with Germany vs. your buddies in Soviet/Communist Russia.

    Germany declared war on the US after the attack:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_declaration_of_war_against_the_United_States

    Lindbergh was a joke before he changed his mind.

    Here is a quote from him after Kristallnacht:

    “I do not understand these riots on the part of the Germans”, he wrote. “It seems so contrary to their sense of order and intelligence. They have undoubtedly had a difficult ‘Jewish problem’, but why is it necessary to handle it so unreasonably

    GOSH WHY ARE THEY ACTING SO UNCIVILIZED? HITLER SEEMS SO REASONABLE. HE ONLY SAID IN HIS BOOK THAT HE WANTS A WAR AGAINST HIS ENEMIES AND TO TAKE THEIR TERRITORY.

  90. @Buzz Mohawk

    Really, Jack, your Hasbara is showing. You should zip up your fly to hide your botched circumcision.

    YEA WELL UZ MUST BE HASBARA DERP

    (DRINK)

    Buzz you are a caricature of a Jew hater.

    You tell half truths and then resort to comments about Hasbara and circumcision.

    Circumcision actually isn’t a Jewish invention. The Egyptians did it which was well before the Jews made it into some holy ritual. It became associated with Jews when the Allies in WW1 noticed that Jewish soldiers had fewer hygiene problems and required it for everyone else.

    My penis has a really great Egyptian cut and I wouldn’t trade it in for a banana peel.

    Now further enlighten us on how Lindbergh had it right even though he changed his mind. Mr. “pro-White” failed artist Hitler was overjoyed when he heard that the Japanese attacked Pearl harbor. HOOORAY all those 18 year olds being butchered by Japanese planes! About as “pro-White” as Putin.

    It should have been obvious to everyone that Hitler wasn’t pro-White or pro-Christian when he made a deal with Stalin to cut Poland in half and then proceeded to kill off their intellectuals. That included veterans of the Polish-Soviet war.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  91. Corvinus says:
    @Jack D

    Lol, do you even realize your own hypocrisy? You as are just as guilty for falling for the psych ops “it’s the immigrants and darkies as to why we can’t have nice things” narrative.

  92. @Anonymous

    The illustration is from the movie poster of Val Kilmer starring in the little-remembered 1986 biopic “The Steve Sailer Story:”

  93. @John Johnson

    Buzz wrote that. Read 3 sentences after the paragraph you excerpted.

    However, for both of your historical entertainment, in the book I’ve been reading (yes, STILL!) called Blacklisted by History about Joe McCarthy, author Stanton Evans discusses a tie-in between the Japanese/Chinese theater of the war and the Soviet Union.

    See, the Commies in the US State Department, many of them on duty in China dealing with Chinese Commies (Mao’s gang) along with Jap and Soviet spies, cared about their shining Soviet Union more than their own country or anything else. They did not want the Japanese to attack Russia, as may well have happened (it wasn’t over yet between those two). So, their reports urged the Roosevelt Administration to forgo more diplomacy with Japan that might have averted the US war in the Pacific. This would, and did, keep the Japanese too busy to attack the USSR.

    As usual, Peak Stupidity is all over this topic (seeing as we spent the time to read this book), so check out “Did American Commies cause the attack on Pearl Harbor?” Better yet, read that book.

  94. @John Johnson

    Thanks, John. Your comments have been entertaining as of late.

    My penis is 7 inches long and 2 inches wide measured across the top fully erect, and it is smooth and perfectly proportioned. I’ve always had the impression that wome prefer the look of a perfectly circumcised penis.

    I have no idea what you mean by “Egyptian cut,” but I will assume you are proud of yours.

    “Half truths?” Where have I told them? I am probably the most embarrassingly direct and open commenter here. Witness what I wrote above.

    “Jew Hater?” Where have I been one? I am probably 1/4 Jew myself, and my wife probably more, but you know, we don’t give a shit about it. We know that the Jew thing is a scam like most other things. Jew is Jew by definition, and anything can be Jew if called Jew.

    What it is is a mafia, a family scam, and I don’t like it. This truth has noting to do with actual Judaism, with which I am actually familiar.

    The fact is, “da Jews” have long been practicing the same thing “da Blacks! in America have, and that is victimhood as an excuse for whatever bad, reprehensible, anti-White, non-European behavior they engage in. And whatever such thinking infests their particular brains.

    They are my friends, and in small numbers, they are great. I have known them all my life, and that is why when they start to infest my writing and thinking here I recognize them like the mice that occasionally get into my house.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  95. “Many Jews became personally sore at Sarsour, long a vocal advocate of her Palestinian people in their struggle with Israel.”

    Many Jews became personally sore at Sarsour, long a vocal advocate of her palestinian people in their struggle to annihilate the Jews of Israel. FIFY

    Well, Steve, you’re increasingly pulling your punches.

    some of the genocidal arabs who call themselves “palestininians,” and who been accepted to overpriced private universities (opus) via affirmative action have infiltrated opu debate teams, where they make life miserable for those who disagree with them. A few years ago, an opu debater had what he thought was a private conversation with a female arab teammate. She complained that the Jews of Israel were committing “genocide” against arabs in Israel. He responded that if that were so, why hadn’t the Jews killed off all the arabs? her response was to make a complaint with the school’s administration. He was lucky, in that the administrator who dealt with him was kind-hearted, and advised him to be “more tactful,” but from that day forward, debate was dead for him. Soon thereafter, he dropped it.

  96. @Intelligent Dasein

    Thank you. I will now go and enjoy myself, embarrassed about comments I just wrote before I read yours.

  97. @Achmed E. Newman

    Conspiracy theories aside it was Germany that declared war on the US after Hitler was delighted by the attack. Even if FDR was warned it was Hitler that was thrilled and declared war.

    The failed artist cheered as 18/19 year old sailors were blown into bits.

    Hitler is the main reason we have a mess today. A failed artist corporal that couldn’t stop warring. Interestingly his position of trench courier in WW1 was normally given to men that no one liked. Meaning it was a way to get rid of assholes. He never moved up in rank which means his superiors probably hoped he would take a bullet at some point.

  98. @Buzz Mohawk

    My penis is 7 inches long and 2 inches wide measured across the top fully erect, and it is smooth and perfectly proportioned. I’ve always had the impression that women prefer the look of a perfectly circumcised penis.

    Not in the US. They aren’t used to banana peels being stuck in their faces.

    But we didn’t need the details, thanks.

    I have no idea what you mean by “Egyptian cut,” but I will assume you are proud of yours.

    I was mocking the assertion that circumcision is Jewish in origin. The Egyptians were doing it before the Jews.

    “Jew Hater?” Where have I been one? I am probably 1/4 Jew myself, and my wife probably more, but you know, we don’t give a shit about it. We know that the Jew thing is a scam like most other things. Jew is Jew by definition, and anything can be Jew if called Jew.

    Yes I get called a Jew all the time.

    The fact is, “da Jews” have long been practicing the same thing “da Blacks! in America have, and that is victimhood as an excuse for whatever bad, reprehensible, anti-White, non-European behavior they engage in. And whatever such thinking infests their particular brains.

    I barely know one Jew.

    I grew up in an area without Jews and had non-Jewish conservatives and liberals do their best to fill me with their bullshit narratives. So I really am quite skeptical of the idea that Jews are the cause of our problems when Whites on both sides try to outcompete each other with their lies. In my history I have both conservatives and liberals admitting that their side lies about race.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  99. @John Johnson

    Buzz Mohawk wrote that Hitler declared war on America. We know that.

    As for conspiracies, these Communists were known. Ever heard of Amerasia or the Institute for Pacific Relations? These guys did a lot of damage. Part of it was sending dispatches and reports all showing Mao and his merry band in a good light and Chiang in a bad light. Besides just plain screwing up China for 40 years, these guys likely were a factor in the death by starvation of 30-40 Chinamen.

    That’s not conspiracy. This is history.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Patrick McNally
  100. Corvinus says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    “But if the only sources of arguments in favor of going to war come from groups that are not synonymous with you or your country“

    Yet apparently YOU have this exclusive insight on which groups are synonymous with YOUR country, and not anyone else. Are these special interests always essentially Jewcentric in your world?

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  101. @Corvinus

    Hey! That’s a good logic game! Let’s see if we can define who or what groups were synonymous with our country circa 1940, when my beautiful Merritt Parkway opened!

    Ya know, Corvi, there are times when the answer is just obvious, but if you want to waste time and effort making that answer sound academic, then by all means go ahead.

    You know damn well what I mean, and your comment is just another argumentative trick. This shit is getting old around here, and sorry, YOU are not the only or the best practitioner of it.

    Are these special interests always essentially Jewcentric in your world?

    ROTFLMAO

    If you knew the history, you would know that America First and Lindbergh correctly posited that it was 1) Britain, 2) Jewish interests, and 3) the Roosevelt Administration.

    Period. That was it, and it was CORRECT, and that is why I have always said Lindbergh was RIGHT.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  102. @Sorel McRae

    That’s a good, thoughtful comment, unlike some others. Thank you.

    When I wrote my original comment, I knew there were other factors like what you describe, and I welcome your calm, clear-headed reply.

    As others have said, there probably always are propaganda efforts and so forth. Indeed as I have said, the “marketing” or “sales” and persuasion aspects of war are parts of war itself, and that makes it difficult to define when someone, like Steve for example, is actually participating in a war. (I sometimes feel like he is in fact participating in this Ukraine thing, but that I guess depends on how many readers he has and how much influence he really has.)

    Such is the nature of… what? of war? No shooting? No fighting? Just writing or acting or… Yes, those are weapons too.

    This is kind of why I keep going back to George Washington’s argument for America First, protected by its geography, rich by vast lands, independent of all the world’s conflicts. Truly, I believe this country was best supposed to, and conceived to, practice foreign policy that way.

    Special interests have interfered and continue to. Period. End of argument.

    PS: You see, it wasn’t Charles Lindbergh, it was George Washington who was the biggest, most important and significant spokesman for America First. Does this mean Jack D. will claim I am fixated now on George Washington?

    • Replies: @Sorel McRae
  103. Corvinus says:
    @Coemgen

    “The rest of us can only be amazed at how effective certain psyops are at controlling what people think (or at least profess to think).“

    Who is this “rest of us”? Why does this group that you belong to seemingly have the “truth” at their disposal? Do you really believe what amounts to tens of millions of white Americans have been unknowingly duped by media? That they ultimately cannot think for themselves?

    Perhaps this guy is someone who inspires you.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1572381531129217024

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Coemgen
  104. Corvinus says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Maybe, just maybe, the Americans who felt that a good chunk of Europe under the thumb of Hitler in 1949 were entirely CORRECT in their assessment of the situation, and of their own accord, thought necessary to prepare for a conflict that had direct bearing on their political and economic future. By the way, just to be accurate, it was British Jewish bankers at the top of your list.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  105. @Corvinus

    And so they handed half of Europe to Stalin and communism. They actually helped him get it.

    My wife, her parents and grandparents and everybody I know there except my young godson suffered under that and frankly still deals with the consequences. It was one of the biggest crimes I can think of.

    One of them was lined up in front of his church with his fellow village men and shot to death by Stalin’s men. I have been there. It is in my late father-in-laws village.

    You have no idea. Really. And you need to shut up about it.

  106. @The Anti-Gnostic

    “… dismantle the nukes, because the very next Democratic administration will target Red State America with them. ..”

    This doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  107. Alden says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Wasn’t Amerasia a CIA publication? So many front groups who knows.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  108. @Buzz Mohawk

    Jack cries out in pain as he strikes you.

  109. @Buzz Mohawk

    “One of them was lined up in front of his church with his fellow village men and shot to death by Stalin’s men. I have been there. It is in my late father-in-laws village.”

    Why should an isolationist care?

  110. @kaganovitch

    The first time I ever heard of Brad Lander was in November, 2016, when he and the New York Daily News promoted a comically obvious anti-Semitic “hate crime” hoax in his district. It was one of those spray-painted Nazi swastika + “Trump” deals in a city playground in a Jewish neighborhood, where the “Nazis” had no idea how to draw a Swastika. Lander was at the top of my suspects’ list then, where he remains today. (That he might have dispatched a staffer or two to do the deed would change nothing. John Gotti was convicted of 18 murders, none of which he actually carried out. By the same token, MLK Jr. did not merely “witness” a rape, he was guilty of a rape he had ordered and introduced to his victim.)

    After Lander’s hoax—whether or not he did it, he promoted it—when City Comptroller Lander issued a staff-written report asserting that so-called bail and criminal justice “reform” did not result in more crime, I read it, but just assumed it was yet another hoax. He provided no credible alternative theory.

    I’ve spent so many thousands of hours over the years researching and exposing hoaxes that I no longer feel obligated to give convicted hoaxers or members of repeatedly convicted hoax subcultures (black supremacists, feminists, etc.) the benefit of the doubt. The burden of proof is on them.

    (Lander had to run for comptroller, due to term limits.)

    “New York Daily News and Councilman Brad Lander Join Forces to Promote Transparent Hate Crime Hoax Against Trump Supporters; Lefty Haters Couldn’t Even Draw Proper Swastikas!”

    https://nicholasstixuncensored.blogspot.com/2016/11/new-york-daily-news-and-councilman-brad.html

    • Thanks: kaganovitch
  111. bomag says:
    @Art Deco

    ‘there’s a ridgebone of competent people who keep the civil service running. Then there’s the rest.’

    Key point. Generally, in any large organization, there are enough competent people to keep the thing going.

    But this gets defeated at times, and the defeats seem to be increasing for discussed reasons: no high speed rail in Cali; various municipal water system failures; others.

    • Replies: @Prester John
  112. @Not Raul

    It looks like the UK’s Chancellor of the Exchequer is either on drugs, or severely mentally ill.

    Embrace the power of ‘and’ !

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  113. @Coemgen

    “You mustn’t have any close relatives or friends who have CNN and/or MSNBC blasting out of their TVs all day, every day. The rest of us can only be amazed at how effective certain psyops are at controlling what people think (or at least profess to think).”

    For example, it is continually asserted in the UK media that

    a) Russia is shelling the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant which it controls – a lie so obvious a child could see through it, if that child hadn’t been taught that Russians Are Bad.

    b) there were “mass graves” in the territory recently taken by Ukraine – even though the Russians had put individual (Orthodox and standard) crosses on the graves and attempted identification. In fact it was like an early version of this place, but with more crosses.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Cambe_German_war_cemetery

    But I think it’s a human universal to need someone to hate, as well as someone to love. Our Emotional Engineers have been pretty good at convincing people that Russians Are Bad – and be fair, who else are you allowed to hate these days, other than racists (i.e. people like you)?

    • Agree: Sorel McRae
  114. @R.G. Camara

    “JackD is a fed.”

    I may be wrong, but I don’t see Jack as being paid to do what he does. I think he enjoys it, and to be fair he’s often informative, outside his specialist subjects of ancestral hatreds.

    John Johnson, on the other hand, seems a bit too good to be true – as if someone decided – “lets have a kind of redneck-lite Jack D – rural, macho, hetero and armed, but with Jack’s views on Russia and “all who challenge the fundamental laws of our society”“.

    I take your point though that Feds are likely to present as people on “our side”.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    , @Corvinus
  115. @Altai

    Chilling. World War II saw the first large-scale deployment of the psychological warfare techniques pioneered in the Great War. The book “Sykewar” (1949, republished MIT Press, 1971) is a very intriguing memoir of SHAEF PsyOps unit’s work against Germany. It is striking that the book mentions a branch of the program dedicated to creating false atrocity stories about the German government in order to discredit the leadership in the eyes of its people. This “black ops” program is the only aspect of the wartime disinformation effort that remains classified Top Secret to this day. It almost certainly forms the basis of the current version of the jewish holocaust legend, consisting almost exclusively of unverifiable “eyewitness accounts” from regions occupied by the Red Army, inaccessible to the western allies

    For domestic consumption, Eisenhower is seen in a famous newsreel entering the German work camp at Ohrdurf. Surveying the corpses scattered around and the emaciated surviving inmates, Ike solemnly intones, “This is why we are fighting them.” No mention is made of the fact that Ike’s psychological warfare team, headed by General Robert A. McClure, had been in Ohrdurf for eight days before Ike’s filmed arrival, artfully arranging “evidence” of German inhumanity. Many who’ve seen this film later recall its setting as Auschwitz.

    McClure continued his career in propaganda in editorship roles at Time and Life magazines in the Cold War era, and he became Eisenhower’s chief speechwriter when Ike won the presidency.

    There’s an instance from the First World War that I find especially unsettling. Some survivors of the Lusitania sinking later remembered the German sub that sank her machine-gunned the lifeboats. But this was an invention of Churchill’s Admiralty, widely disseminated in the press. Propaganda can be so effective that it can reshape the memory of actual experience in susceptible individuals.

    • Thanks: Almost Missouri
  116. @Buzz Mohawk

    Thanks for the kind words.

    The reason your less calm, clear-headed interlocutors seem so bitter and irrational is, I suspect, because they seethe with ethnic animus so much they can neither think nor express themselves straightforwardly and descend into a vicious, disingenuous fanaticism. If you’re just trying to figure out what’s best for your country, it’s easier to weigh the facts and make a measured, circumspect assessment.

    It is an error to presume that one is arguing on the same level with such people, one that can only lead to confusion and frustration. Don’t fall for it!

  117. Corvinus says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    “And so they handed half of Europe to Stalin and communism. They actually helped him get it.“

    Yes, FDR f—- up by not taking into account the potential of Russia swooping in. But what dues this have to do with the sentiments of Americans in 1940 toward Germany’s dominance of Europe and its implications on domestic and foreign policy, especially when our ally Great Britain was in the crosshairs.

    “You have no idea. Really. And you need to shut up about it.“

    Right, because you have such intimate knowledge of my own family history.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  118. @Alden

    That’s not the case from what I’ve read in the book, Alden. However, many, if not most, of the Communists discussed had come from the precursors to the CIA during WWII – the OSS and two other related departments. (It’s hard to scan when the book is paper, Alden, sorry..)

    Amerasia was a “scholarly” journal, but it was nothing but pro-Communist propaganda.

  119. @John Johnson

    Oooh, “failed artist”–that’s gotta hurt! “Trench courier”–and any decorated WWI stud such as yourself knows what that means, amirite? And then, the coup de grace, “asshole”–Adolf Hitler was… get this, an asshole!

    You appear to be the other (and more disingenuous side) of the ridiculous Nazi LARPer coin.

  120. @John Johnson

    Yeah, Mr. Johnson, that whole “Neocon” thing is so over. Who worries about “globalism in the middle east” nowadays (at the brink of WWIII)? Hasn’t “the information age” banished all “secrets”?

    Man, you really need to try that Preview Comment function!

    Small press neocon punditry has indeed become irrelevant in the age of their near total dominance of Congress, Administration, mainstream media, academia, finance, etc., etc., i.e., the state writ large, both deep and surface.

  121. @Sorel McRae

    Sorry for the late reply, Sorel.

    Of course the Chinese don’t have the woke/genderbender/etc. stupidity we have going on. It’s a hell of a lot better in that respect, but that doesn’t mean any of this can’t start up if the CCP feels the need. (If you recall men and women were deemed the same back during the Mao era, though it didn’t get THIS stupid.) More importantly, though, no matter what, there are no Chinese people at the top working their asses off to replace the Han population.

    That said, the Orwellian society going on there are something I would not want to live under. They can be just stupid as the rest of us as well as being Totalitarian. I will write a post this week on my blog on the situation in a (just one of many) smaller city (only a couple million people or so) in central/western China in which they are doing another LOCKDOWN. This has been happening this whole late Spring and Summer, for the cause of “Covid~Zero” which is one of the stupidest things I’ve seen in the Kung Flu PanicFest yet.

    Here’s my final point, Mr. McRae: As worse as America may be in some ways, as far as the stupidity that’s hard to live with, we have EVERY chance in the world to just END IT. That’s if Americans would realize the power we have. The Chinese, unfortunately, will not be opting out of their system.

    .

    PS; Yeah, I’d be glad if the Chinese exploited Africa for a century, as the Euro powers did a century ago. Let them have their turn – let the Africans have someone else to piss and moan about.

  122. Anon[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    No idea if video gaming is somehow ideal for the male psyche. The only one I ever played was Doom, drawn into it by my male office colleagues. Loved it, finished it, but it was definitely non-edifying. Yet I had to laugh at the social media dig. It’s sadly true!

  123. Art Deco says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Your doctor needs to adjust whatever combination of psychotropics he’s prescribed for you.

  124. Brutusale says:
    @Jack D

    You said 1%. It isn’t. Stop pounding the damned table!

    I abuse social media “friends” about what happened to their once-ubiquitous Uke banners. Crickets.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  125. BB753 says:
    @Not Raul

    You don’t understand. He was just being vibrant, you bigot!

  126. @BB753

    Harnessing the disgust mechanism to apply it to fellow humans with different political opinions.

    • Agree: BB753
  127. @James B. Shearer

    The nukes should be dismantled before whites become permanently out-voted, like the de Klerk government did in one of the most far-sighted political acts in history.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  128. Coemgen says:
    @Corvinus

    Who is this “rest of us”?

    The “us” are people who do not have Gell-Mann Amnesia.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  129. SFG says:
    @SunBakedSuburb

    I liked the Nephilim RPG in the 90s, too. Never thought it actually represented the history of the world though.

  130. Curle says:
    @Bill Jones

    “when Russian life expectancy dropped by over a decade.”

    But they were Democratic shortened lifespans!

  131. Wokechoke says:
    @John Johnson

    You can’t have had any brushes with success if you have encountered so few Jews. The higher you go in any power structure the more you will encounter them in the academic, managerial or professional realms. Until you are surrounded by them.

    Your gentile story smells a bit.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  132. Wokechoke says:
    @Corvinus

    The US was busy building up the USSR in the late 1920s and 1930s in preparation for a showdown with Germany. The conflicts between Walter Duranty (New York Times) and Gavin Jones (The Times) about the collectivization/starvation of kulaks was a smokescreen for massive US aid in building factories and machine tools for dual use tractor and tank tech. Jones didn’t get the memo. So he got auffed in Mongolia.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @Corvinus
  133. Wokechoke says:
    @John Johnson

    A Jew had just shot dead a German official in the Paris embassy though. Maybe that’s why.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  134. Jack D says:
    @Brutusale

    Stop twisting my words – leave that to the Leftists. I said that Lindbergh’s isolationism was a 1% view among mainstream politicians and historians.

    As for the masses, probably half or more (maybe a lot more) of the people in America no longer even know who Lindbergh was or if they do know, they only know about his flight and have zero knowledge of his “America First” views.

    However, more broadly speaking, if you ask the average American (again to the extent that they even still know what WWII was) whether fighting to defeat Hitler was a good idea, I think that the overwhelming consensus would be that it was, that Hitler was an evil dude and it was right for us to fight to get rid of him. Maybe they would have different views about the current war in Ukraine but the popular consensus is that WWII was the Good War.

    In fact, and maybe I am naive here, I was really shocked when I realized that some people here STILL think that America participating in WWII was a mistake. Lindbergh, in 1941, could be forgiven (to some extent) in that he was not aware of the full extent of Nazi atrocities but we don’t have that luxury. After all that we know now about Hitler and his genocidal plans and actions it boggles my mind that people could still say “this was all none of our business”. Frankly, WTF is wrong with you? Where is your humanity?

    As for the banners, of course it’s hard for people to maintain fever pitch enthusiasm over a distant conflict. Putin was counting on the West having the attention span of a flea while he was in it for the long game. I don’t think this is going to work for him because his clock is going to run out before Ukraine’s does.

  135. Anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    “Propaganda” originally had a neutral meaning similar to “publicity” or “advertising” or “public service messages”. It got a bad rep because it was used by totalitarians to convince people of lies.

    “Propaganda” dates back to the 1600s, as a formal Catholic Christian effort, “Sacra Congregatio de Propaganda Fide”, as part of the wars of the AD 1600s that tore apart the Catholic faith of the time as part of the Reformation. (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda for a fast brief).

    The Catholic Church had considerable experience in countering Jewish (Marenos, to be exact) influence after the Islamics were finally expelled, learning how to break up even covert information networks that were part of any effective covert activities against the Catholic Church (and incidentally to any independent thought whatsoever). This effort was adopted Europe wide, and was more or less successful in Southern Europe, part of a Grand Strategy of breaking up Protestant communication networks while simultaneously establishing and reinforcing Catholic communication networks. The same Grand strategy at least partially failed in Northern Europe.

    So when the Jewish people were let forced out of Eastern European ghettoes by Napoleon’s attempt to make Eastern Europe part of the Enlightenment, some of them inevitably ahttps://www.unz.com/isteve/me-in-takis-do-psyops-actually-work/#comment-5558119

    “Propaganda” originally had a neutral meaning similar to “publicity” or “advertising” or “public service messages”. It got a bad rep because it was used by totalitarians to convince people of lies.

    “Propaganda” dates back to the 1600s, as a formal Catholic Christian effort, “Sacra Congregatio de Propaganda Fide”, as part of the wars of the AD 1600s that tore apart the Catholic faith of the time as part of the Reformation. (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda for a fast brief).

    The Catholic Church had considerable experience in countering Jewish (Marenos, to be exact) influence after the Islamics were finally expelled, learning how to break up even covert information networks that were part of any effective covert activities against the Catholic Church (and incidentally to any independent thought whatsoever). This effort was adopted Europe wide, and was more or less successful in Southern Europe, part of a Grand Strategy of breaking up Protestant communication networks while simultaneously establishing and reinforcing Catholic communication networks. The same Grand strategy at least partially failed in Northern Europe.
    And we got Protestants using “propaganda” also, in particular the “black Spaniard” theme, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Legend_(Spain)
    So when the Jewish people were let forced out of Eastern European ghettoes as part of Napoleon’s attempt to make Eastern Europe part of the Enlightenment, some of them inevitably adopted the methodology of their pre-Napoleonic enemies, and we got something like present-day “propaganda”. That succeeded best in Eastern Europe, where the Enlightenment had been forced on a society that lacked the racial homogeneity to permit area-wide adoption of any single social form. The losing groups under the Enlightenment system rebelled against the other groups, and the area ended up with the bloodbaths of WW I and WW II, after which the ethnic map of Eastern Europe was considerably simplified.

    And the propaganda we get today (along with the former Jewish Coalition’s dominance in the US, ~1970-2008) is just a descendent of the above process. The new ruling coalition, the Black Coalition, is a bit less subtle then before (sample propaganda slogan: “Get those White MFers”), but just as anti-White.
    dopted the methodology of their pre-Napoleonic enemies, and we got something like present-day “propaganda”. That succeeded best in Eastern Europe, where the Enlightenment had been forced on a society that lacked the racial homogeneity to permit area-wide adoption of any single social form. The losing groups under the Enlightenment system rebelled against the other groups, and the area ended up with the bloodbaths of WW I and WW II, after which the ethnic map of Eastern Europe was considerably simplified.

    And the propaganda we get today (along with the former Jewish Coalition’s dominance in the US, ~1970-2008) is just a descendent of the above process. The new ruling coalition, the Black Coalition, is a bit less subtle (sample propaganda slogan: “Get those White MFers”), but still as anti-Christian as its predecessor.

  136. This poor dumbfuck was killed by the psyop that women have a harder time than men .

    It’s hard not to laugh. So I did.

  137. Kylie says:
    @Dieter Kief

    “‘@Altai
    . We’re living in the mind of a 15 year with BPD to a degree we never have and the mass politicisation of young women has been a massive change.’

    I dunno about the bipolar part….”

    I think by BPD, Altai was referring to borderline personality disorder, not bipolar disorder.

    Makes more sense that way. In my experience, people with BPD are miserable to be around, more so than those with bipolar disorder

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  138. WJ says:
    @Joe Stalin

    I don’t know this person or why I should give a crap about what he says. Or perhaps this post in keeping with psyop topic.

  139. Lurker says:
    @random person

    You’re right. All those jews in TV and movie production are just soo artistically talented. All those black faces on-screen – they’re just great actors.

  140. Brutusale says:
    @Jack D

    You are correct. I misread.

    I don’t think this is going to work for him because his clock is going to run out before Ukraine’s does.

    I don’t think this is going to work for him because his clock is going to run out before your tax dollars do.

    FIFY

    I’m not as sanguine.

  141. @Wokechoke

    You can’t have had any brushes with success if you have encountered so few Jews. The higher you go in any power structure the more you will encounter them in the academic, managerial or professional realms. Until you are surrounded by them.

    You haven’t been outside your bubble if you haven’t encountered cities with few Jews. Nor have you bothered studying the Jews and where they live. They are heavily in NYC/LA.

    Wyoming and the Dakotas for example have very few Jews. There are less than 2000 Jews in the entire state of Wyoming.

    There are also occupations where Jews in fact are not overrepresented at the higher levels. For example this is true for occupations related to heavy industries and agriculture. Occupations in rural areas don’t attract them and they wouldn’t have social networks in those areas.

    Maybe ask next time instead of assuming I lack success in my career of all things. Take your pretentious attitude down about 5 notches.

    Your gentile story smells a bit.

    (takes bite of pork taco while looking at view of rural America from desk)

    Yea you sure got me figured out there champ.

    I said I barely know one Jew which is the norm for rural America. I have also lived in the city. That doesn’t mean I didn’t know Jews at the time. I don’t keep in contact with the people I knew in the city. In fact I have posted about living near Orthodox Jews and their weirdness.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  142. @bomag

    This seems to make intuitive sense. I’ve never known anyone in the FBI but I did know a lot of NYPD guys. Many of them worked with “the Feds” and to a man they would tell me that from mid-level on down, the FBI was first-rate. Not surprisingly most of the nuts and bolts work–what we wouldcall “gumshoe”–emanated out of this level. The further up the food chain you’d go, however, the more Looney Tunes the personnel. Which may explain how people like James Comey wound up in charge.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  143. Buzz writes: “I can overthink putting my pants on. I often do. It is a problem.”

    Buzz, just be systematic and put your pants on the same as any other millipede: 500 legs at a time.

  144. @Wokechoke

    A Jew had just shot dead a German official in the Paris embassy though. Maybe that’s why.

    Uh-huh.

    And when Blacks burn down White businesses over a single racial shooting I’m sure you nod in approvement.

    Whites in America are going to be the new Jews and you will get a taste of your own warped principles.

    When Democrats get their non-White majority they will double down on the theory that White achievements in America are all from conspiracy and malice.

    Liberals would rather watch the cities burn than admit that race exists. Since our conservatives are total pussies that also won’t admit that race exists I would get some marshmallows ready if you live in a diversity enhanced area. Kwanzanacht will be an annual event.

  145. Art Deco says:
    @Wokechoke

    There was no U.S. aid in the 1920s, except for some famine relief just after the war.

  146. Art Deco says:
    @Bill Jones

    Dropped by about 5 years during the period running from 1988 to 1994. It fluctuated up and down during the period running from 1994 to 1999, increasing by 1.5 years, net. Added 7 years, net, under Putin (pre COVID).

  147. Here’s a psyop that’s worked.

    What percentage of the country is black? The average answer was 41 percent. The actual number is 12 percent. Of course, if you watch television commercials, you would think it’s closer to 90 percent.
    What percentage of marriages are mixed race? Average answer: 50 percent. The actual number is 1 percent. If you watch television commercials, you would think it is more like 99 percent.

    https://amgreatness.com/2022/09/19/the-numbers-please/

    • Replies: @loveshumanity
    , @Corvinus
  148. @Bill Jones

    Just for other readers: mixed marriages are something like 10.2% of marriages in the US.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
  149. Corvinus says:
    @Coemgen

    But there is a Corollary that you clearly exemplify—everyday people who automatically believe that everything they read or hear from media is a lie are blinded by their own preconceptions and confirmation biases. The result? An intellectually sterile individual.

    The larger issue, of course, is that “Fake News” is a farce, a joke. It leads people to become patently ill-informed. How? Because all it takes is someone to utter that phrase, and the assumption becomes “true”. A person who desires to be informed delves into the matter by perusing several sources and by astutely investigating one’s own recency biases. In this manner, the person is more likely to arrive at a more objective finding of the available facts. Instead, anything that does not automatically fit into one’s crafted narrative as “fact” or “truth” becomes “Fake News”.

    Although, it is virtually impossible to argue with those people who cling on this “Fake New” or “the media always lies” meme. Any fact brought brought into an argument, they immediately attack the SOURCE, rather than the SUBSTANCE. Thus, it is easy to deny there is ANY evidence at all. This phenomenon has been brewing for a long time (thanks, Trump :)), and it has reached a critical mass at our point in world history.

    Unfortunately, this leads more people to become ignorant by facilitating echo chambers. So the mentality of “Fake News/the media always lies” is EXACTLY THE SAME as those who spout off how “Jewish run media conglomerates control the narrative” since a person filters anything that dares to disrupt their world view.

    There is an HbD inspired explanation for being duped. We as a species have this impulsive cognition-–the seat of emotion, of sense of self, of phobias, and of herding behavior. The limbic system of the brain has its neurons fire faster and with greater amplitude than in the cerebral cortex, so it literally drowns out rational mindedness. There are a myriad of examples that this snap-decision system is controlling what we think.

    Belief comes first, with our biases are held in the brain immediately above the brainstem, and they are the central control room for everything coming into the brain. Nothing will pass these filters, so it is virtually essentially impossible to “change someone’s mind” via persuasion. A person’s filters have to fall first. Otherwise, they will simply go into shoot the messenger mode when, for example, WaPO and NYT are used as sources. There was an emotional hypostasis to it that TRIGGERED in their brain an endorphin rush of self-righteousness.

    As a counter, here is the advice directly from Ron Unz…

    —I apply the same historical methods I did in my academic journal articles back in the 1980’s. You analyze the likely reliability of the raw information presented, look for confirming or refuting evidence, and then draw your own plausible conclusions…On a more serious note, many of my articles very heavily cite various MSM sources, so why would I do that if I believed they were always lying?”—

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  150. Corvinus says:
    @Bill Jones

    Commercials src just reflecting the people found in our nation. It’s who we are.

  151. Corvinus says:
    @Wokechoke

    “The US was busy building up the USSR in the late 1920s and 1930s in preparation for a showdown with Germany“

    You have a knack for exaggeration. So, citations are needed here to lend support to this statement.

  152. @Nicholas Stix

    Thanks. To be frank, I didn’t know the author, and after your reply I looked it up. The original sentence is “Daylight is the best disinfectant”, and the author, as you correctly pointed out, is a Jew (Louis Brandeis).

  153. Corvinus says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    South Africa could no longer afford the upkeep. That’s why they were dismantled. Typical lawyer trick on your part.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  154. @Jack D

    it must be because the Joos dun it with their Hollywood brainwashing. Like Steve says, the call is coming from INSIDE the house. Although maybe the Elders of Zion are just paying me to distract you from the REAL ENEMY.

    No need to be so sensitive, Jack D.

  155. @Corvinus

    You make some interesting points but I would add that Fox News is a huge part of the problem.

    Fox plays a game where they correctly point out that CNN or MSNBC isn’t telling the whole story and then proceed to promote their own bias.

    It really tricks conservatives into thinking they can trust Fox. I know some very intelligent people that watch Fox and really believe non-sense like “teacher’s unions” ruined schools in Black areas. Well why didn’t those same unions ruin White schools? I’m no fan of public schools or teacher’s unions but to put everything on teacher’s unions is incredibly dishonest.

    The weird thing with Fox news watchers is that they always revert back to the narrative. You point out how Fox really isn’t telling the whole truth either and they might agree. But a month or two later and they will be back to blaming teacher’s unions or bugaboo socialists or whatever Tucker is going on about. It’s really creepy.

    Fox has also just gotten really stupid lately. The last time I was in a room with it on some crass female judge was going on about Democrats like a NJ hooker might complain about pimps. Well you never knowz with those socialists. I mean come on what is it over there? Red China? News correspondent Phil is gonna check in. Is that Dem mayor just a cocksucking faggot or what? Give us your thoughts on that faggot there Phil.

    There was really nothing political about it. Just White people trying to depict urban Democrats as socialists. No real analysis of the issue. In fact they forget about the topic and just went on lame tangents. Just as much idiocracy as CNN pretending to debate something like race or guns.

  156. @YetAnotherAnon

    I may be wrong, but I don’t see Jack as being paid to do what he does.

    Dude, the very title of this post and Steve’s column is about psyops being run by the government on its citizens.

    You really think HackD the fed is being a fedposter pro bono?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  157. Thea says:

    Reading these comments leaves one with the impression the CIA are far more successful at Anti-white American psy-ops today than they ever were with anti-communist pay-ops during the Cold War.

  158. @Jack D

    In fact, and maybe I am naive here, I was really shocked when I realized that some people here STILL think that America participating in WWII was a mistake. ..”

    This is a little strange as that is far from the dumbest opinion you can find in the comments here. Do you think it was a mistake for the US to try to stay out of WWII?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  159. Corvinus says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    You’re the perfect cover for a federal officer.

  160. @Corvinus

    South Africa could easily afford the weapons. They didn’t want the nigs to have them; good call.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  161. Jack D says:
    @John Johnson

    Like a lot of rural America, there were more Jews in Wyoming in early days than there are now:

    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/wyoming-jewish-history

    Jews tend to send their kids off to college education in the big city and once they’ve seen those city lights they don’t want to come back home to rural small towns to run dad’s dry goods store (which has been replaced by Wal-Mart anyway). They ESPECIALLY don’t want to be anywhere near a smelly barn or out on a tractor from dawn to dusk. So Jewish farming tended to be a one generation thing. As me how I know.

    Jews were once quite involved with farming in America, especially with its scientific aspects and also in the rural cooperative movement. Waksman the discoverer of streptomycin (and his grad student Schatz, the real discoverer) worked at the New Jersey College of Agriculture. Our modern factory farming system required a lot of scientific work to underpin it – without things like vaccines and antibiotics, if you crowd 10,000 chickens into one building and one of them got an infection then in a week all 10,000 would be sick or dead. Egg production in NJ for the NYC and Philly market was an especially Jewish niche. But that’s all gone now.

    As for heavy industry, Jews also had their little niches – for example the truck trailer manufacturing business was once heavily Jewish. Metal fabrication and ornamental ironwork was another Jewish niche. (In E. Europe Jews were involved in the horse and buggy equivalents of trucking and with blacksmithing.)

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  162. Lurker says:
    @Anonymous

    I detect a touch of Liam Neeson there.

  163. @Kylie

    Oh, thanks Kylie.
    And I agree (from decades of experience) with what you say about the two kinds people.

  164. Corvinus says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    No, the costs were clearly prohibited, as de Klerk alluded to. That was a good call for that money to be used for other purposes.

  165. Art Deco says:
    @Prester John

    James Comey is a lawyer who had up to 2013 spent most of his career employed by the Department of Justice (albeit a smaller share of it than had Robert Mueller and Rod Rosenstein). It was Andrew McCabe and Peter Sztrok who were promoted through the ranks.

    One thesis I’ve heard offered recently is that the DC field office is a stew of corruption and they’re deploying agents from the DC field office around the country because the ordinary run of local offices won’t co-operate with their shenanigans.

  166. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    Jews were once quite involved with farming in America

    The 1920 census located 5.4 million heads of household who listed their occupation as ‘farmer’. About 38,000 listed their mother or their father as having been born in Russia; about 36,000 said one or the other had been born in Bohemia; another 24,000 listed their mother or their father as having been born in Austria; another 8,000 listed Hungary; about 900 said Roumania. That’s about 2% of the farmers in the United States.

    Note, about 1.3 million heads of household listed their father or mother as having been born in one of these places, so < 7% were listing their occupation as 'farmer'. (I'm going to wager that there were a great many Czech and Germanophone gentiles who answered 'Austria' or 'Bohemia' just looking at names).

    Note also that 270,000 heads of household listed their native tongue as 'Yiddish' in 1920. Only 1,100 listed their occupation as 'farmer'.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  167. Brutusale says:
    @loveshumanity

    According to Pew, it’s 17%. A new slant, I guess.

    • Thanks: loveshumanity
  168. Jack D says:
    @Art Deco

    1920 was early for the era of factory farming of eggs. The farm that I grew up on was built around 1950.

    Eggs farming, even before the advent of cages, depended a lot on electrical power and automation. The chickens were fed with an electrically powered conveyor belt (actually chain) type device. They drank water from fountains with a toilet bowl float type device to keep them full – you needed pressurized water provided by an electric well pump. You needed electric lights in the coop to fool the chickens into thinking it was eternal spring so they would keep laying eggs. The eggs were washed in an electric washing machine and candled with an electric light and graded as to size with another electrically powered machine.

    1920 was too early for most of this machinery. Fractional HP motors were relatively new. I don’t think that they ran power down my street until the 1930s. The economics of electrical power distribution is that it make much more sense to electrify dense urban areas first.

    Eggs and chickens were once relatively rare and expensive things – Farmer Brown would have a few hens running around the yard, not flocks of tens of thousands. Without all this equipment (and without vaccines and antibiotics) there was no way you could take care of tens of thousands of chickens (and not have them all die of epidemics). In the winter, fresh eggs were not available at all.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Art Deco
  169. Jack D says:
    @James B. Shearer

    We probably should have helped the British sooner and more. Foot dragging on aid to the British only prolonged the war and cost more American lives later. I think our involvement was inevitable anyway so nothing was gained by stalling. It was important that we be perceived as the attacked rather than the aggressor so a first strike was out of the question but we should have been much more prepared for the war that was clearly coming.

  170. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    My great grandmother raised chickens in her back yard in Rogersville, Tn.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  171. Curle says:
    @Jack D

    “In fact, and maybe I am naive here, I was really shocked when I realized that some people here STILL think that America participating in WWII was a mistake. ”

    Yes. You are naive.

    Look up 1990s British newspaper poll of WW2 generation (still alive). Was in Daily Mail. You’ll really be surprised.

    “But was it worth it? Her answer – and the answer of many of her contemporaries, now in their 80s and 90s – is a resounding No. ”

  172. Corvinus says:

    The poll was from 2021. 2/3rds of Americans believe it was the right thing to do to get involved in WW2. It was and still is.

    • Thanks: Jack D
  173. Jack D says:
    @R.G. Camara

    I wish. Could you please see to it that I get my checks because they haven’t been coming.

  174. Jack D says:
    @Art Deco

    Long after there were enormous cattle drives and stockyards in Chicago, chicken farming was still a pretty much backyard hobby. The pieces needed to conduct it at scale were just not there.

  175. Corvinus says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    You’re really off your rocker.

  176. @Achmed E. Newman

    That’s a really stupid line of reasoning, since Chiang Kai-Shek was also strongly in favor of US sanctions on Japan. It requires a bizarre form of selective citation to zero in on Mao while ignoring the fact that there was broad consensus among Chinese politicians that they wanted Roosevelt to pressure Japan.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  177. @Achmed E. Newman

    The history shows that the CCP did have a lot more support from Chinese peasants because of its policy of land reform. Chiang was basically a hostage of the politically empowered class of landowners and so he was not able to carry out any land reform until after he was expelled to Taiwan. The landlord class of Taiwan no longer had the power which the old landowners of mainland China had, so now the land reform was carried out on Taiwan and things settled.

    Diplomats like John Service were faced with the reality that the Kuomintang was highly unpopular whereas the CCP was visibly growing in popularity. That was an objective fact on the ground, not something cooked up for propaganda purposes.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  178. @Patrick McNally

    Of course, the Chinese in general wanted the US to help defeat the Japs. No shit.

    I’m talking about what was good for America, not China. These American State Department Communist sympathizers (some actually working for the Soviets directly) were on assignment in China, and they held the ear of the Roosevelt administration.

    There were American military and civilians in high positions who wanted diplomacy with Japan to continue. A few Communists of 4 nationalities, Soviet, American, Chinese, and Japanese (spies) worked together to put the kibosh on that with their reports from China. Try to keep in mind that there was no internet. News was hard to come by, so Roosevelt relied on this info.

    • Replies: @Patrick McNally
  179. @Patrick McNally

    Some of the history was written by the Communists, Chinese and otherwise. Don’t you get what this O/P was about? Yes, that’s always the deal that the peasants want other people’s stuff.

    The Americans no doubt didn’t think so much of Chiang. That was especially the case with General Stilwell. However, he was not losing the civil war, until the American Communists purposefully, de-requisitioned and blocked shipment of, almost all of the armaments he’d been promised to be supplied with by the US Gov’t (voted for in Congress). He got less than 2% of it, very much a Bay of Pigs type deal.

    John Service was in the thick of all this subterfuge, as was Owen Lattimore, Phillip Jaffe (and his wife) and Lauchlin Curry.

    Do you actually want to learn something, Pat? OK. Do you know that these same pro-Mao “Americans” pushed for the US to let the Communists take Taiwan after the Nationalists fled there? There’s a lot to this story that almost nobody knows. (How would one, without reading amazing books like this?)

    • Replies: @Patrick McNally
  180. In the 1980s the USA deployed ground-launched nuclear cruise missiles in Europe, including at “RAF” (USAF) Greenham Common in England. There was opposition across European NATO countries, including a “Women’s Peace Camp” outside Greenham Common. The Camp was a nuisance to the authorities who, if the missiles were to be used, needed to transport them in advance by road to a location away from the base, which was itself vulnerable to nuclear attack. Eventually the Women’s Peace Camp was disrupted and split by newcomers, who after a while began to insist that the Camp, and its founding members, must be racist because there were no black people there. After much acrimony many campers left, and the remainder split into two “Women’s Peace Camps” in different locations. At some point the INF treaty was signed and the missiles left Greenham Common. The Camp is still celebrated in places like The Guardian, as a successful application of left-wing feminist activism, and it is certainly true that public opposition to cruise missiles in Europe was one of the factors that led to the negotiation of the INF treaty. The divisions over racism are embarrassing to both supporters and opponents of the Camp, and they have been memory-holed – you would probably need access to the archives of print newspapers to find out about them today. To this day I do not know whether the newcomer campers were agents of the authorities.

    Two factions of middle-class white people, one accusing the other of racism until the cohesion and effectiveness of the group is destroyed – does this sound familiar? What happened at Greenham seems like a dress rehearsal for the current psyop against the whole of the Western world.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  181. Curle says:
    @Jack D

    “ I think that the overwhelming consensus would be that it was, that Hitler was an evil dude and it was right for us to fight to get rid of him.”

    Maybe the Bolshois, and in particular the Jewish Bolshois, shouldn’t have attempted to jump start revolution in Germany following WW1 after showing the world the depths of their evil in Soviet Russia? Rosa Luxembourg?

    Had Germany won WW1 or even obtained an settlement before the fall of the Tsar no Red Terror or Nazi reaction. Wilson has a lot to answer for. The world was very evil before Hitler arrived on the scene and a great part of that evil was international Bolshevism a movement inconceivable without Jewish leadership. Hitler didn’t conjure enemies into existence they were already there.

    Even the Bolsheviks understand the part they played.

    BTW – 1/3 Americans unsure or disagree with US involvement in WW2. This is the brighter part of our population.

    https://www.newsmax.com/us/ww-ii-americans-nazis-germany/2021/06/01/id/1023483/

    • Replies: @Patrick McNally
  182. Anonymous[395] • Disclaimer says:
    @James N. Kennett

    This is discussed here from page 58

    https://www.duo.uio.no/bitstream/handle/10852/59932/J-McDonald-Thesis.pdf

    It seems racial controversies were already causing leftwing groups to implode 30 years ago.

    The key figure seems to have been a black woman called Wilmette Brown, who appears to have been more interested in fighting racism than opposing nuclear missiles.

    To be fair, if I were black in the 1980s I too would care more about issues like Apartheid than nuclear war, since that wasn’t a major threat to Africans or black people generally.

    Blacks in the anti-nuclear movement were always going to be a source of friction, since their interests weren’t aligned with those of whites. At best they would lack enthusiasm in the cause, at worst they would try to hijack it (and its donors and assets) for their own ends.

    Huge problem for sincere leftists to deal with.

    • Thanks: James N. Kennett
    • Replies: @James N. Kennett
  183. @Anonymous

    From the thesis:

    … Barlow contended that the dispute was provoked by an insurgent group attempting to derail the protest. For Barlow, the group in question went under the name King’s Cross Women’s Centre (Wages For Housework). Established in the UK in 1975 and led by Wilmette Brown, Barlow suggested that Wages for Housework was merely a front for ‘twenty such groups with ‘current interest’ names i.e. ‘Women against Rape’ She concluded that the purpose of the group was ‘solely to systematically destroy left wing groups, campaigns.’

    I remember some of those campaigns – I had no idea that they had anything in common (Wilmette Brown) with the disruption at Greenham. Some of the campaigns were so nuts that they appeared to have been contrived either by a madwoman, or with the sole purpose of discrediting the causes that they ostensibly supported. They all had the same address, that of the Joseph Rowntree Trust at 9 Poland Street, London (several unrelated campaigning groups also used the same address). The key to understanding them is ask how Brown paid her bills. Perhaps she had independent means or lived on Social Security, but it is also possible she was being bankrolled by donations to one or more of her campaigns. I wonder who the donors were? Were they true believers in Brown’s cause? Or did they think “This crazy woman could be useful to us, let’s pay her £10,000 a year and point her in the direction of …”

  184. Anonymous[294] • Disclaimer says:

    I remember seeing claims that Occupy Wall Street (OWS) was deliberately sabotaged like this. Discussions about banks and debt would inevitably be derailed by people who wouldn’t shut up about racism. Very tricky situation. Kick them out and everybody will accuse YOU of racism. Let them stay, and your movement is dead.

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  185. @Achmed E. Newman

    Chiang was never left without arms. Marshall was adamantly against getting drawn into a Vietnam-style war on the geographic scale of China. But whenever Chaing really needed new arms, they were sent. All of that is detailed in the China White Paper, published as 2 volumes, which shows clearly that Marshall never failed to deliver the arms when they were actually needed. If Chiang had been able to enact the kind of land reforms on mainland China which he later did enact of Taiwan, then the whole issue would have resolved itself. But trying to deny the demand for land reform which carrying on a war against the CCP was totally untenable. We can be thankful that Marchall realized that and kept the USA out of a prolonged intervention in the Chinese Civil War which would have made Vietnam look like Grenada.

  186. @Achmed E. Newman

    Most periods of major foreign policy turns will lead to differences. But the majority of leading figures in the US foreign policy establishment of that time favored a tough stance towards Japan without needing any encouragement from the Comintern. Cordell Hull, Henry Stimson and other such leading lights of the Roosevelt administration were fully in favor of taking a strong stance towards Japan’s invasion of China. They weren’t tricked into this by Harry Dexter White or Lauchlin Currie. It was their own stance on foreign policy.

  187. @Curle

    Rosa Luxemburg was never a Bolshevik. She had been the earliest most vocal critic of Lenin’s in the Second International. Luxemburg’s assassination was possible precisely because she refused to operate as an underground figure the way that Lenin had before the October Revolution. Instead, Luxemburg stayed in public where she felt she could be among the German working class. Her execution was a great tragedy since if she had lived then the German Left would never have developed into a pawn of Moscow the way that the Communist Party of Germany (KPD) became. An independent German Left-wing based in the working classes would have been much better.

    In any event, it was the Social Democrats who were the principal barrier to the KPD, not the National Socialists. The stance taken by the Comintern from 1928-33 was that it would be better to have Hitler take power and crush the Social Democrats, the same way that the Whites in the Russian Civil War had crushed the Social Revolutionaries and Mensheviks, in order to clear the way for the KPD. If Hitler had stayed out of power, it would simply have remained the Social Democrats who would have continued blocking the KPD.

    Of course, Hitler’s notions of living space to be gained from the lands of the Slavic subhumans for the Aryan Herrenvolk were independent of all of this. Once Russians realized that Hitler’s invasion was a war of conquest for living space they rallied around Stalin, much in the same way that they had rallied around the Bolsheviks when it became clear that the Whites were not going to allow any popular alternative from the Social Revolutionaries and Mensheviks. If Hitler had not been so obsessed with conquering living space, then the war could have had a very different character to it, and he could have won. But his ambitions of driving massive numbers of Slavs off the land and starving them to make room for Aryan settlers was delusional.

  188. @Anonymous

    The disruption can be caused by just one person. There is no point saying “welcome, we are so glad you have joined us, please bring your friends and supporters” because she doesn’t have any. There are a few one-woman campaign groups that target open-source software projects and complain that they are insufficiently inclusive (they tend to be 90% male, and 99% white or Asian).

    There is a certain type of individual who cannot bear to see people who “do not look like her” joining together to spend their time on an activity, even if they are not earning money from it, even if they are providing a public good, and even if she does not have the skills to participate herself. These disruptors are very few in number, but the damage they can cause is substantial. Nowadays they can even earn a living by providing “diversity training” to organizations.

  189. Anonymous[357] • Disclaimer says:

    CHOP/CHAZ in Seattle got shut down after a bunch of clowns decided to vandalize the mayor’s house. I wonder whose smart idea that was?

    Plus ‘warlord’ Raz Simone. I remember serious leftists cringing with embarrassment over the antics of this guy. But of course, nobody dared criticize him because “racism”.

    If you’re going to sabotage left wing movements then crazy (?) blacks are the ideal vehicle, because nobody will dare call them out or kick them out.

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