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In the comments at West Hunter, Scott Novak writes:

March 20, 2020 at 5:45 pm
Off topic but Coronavirus related:

Taiwan and other East Asian nations claim a mask shortage – despite having the bulk of world N95 and surgical mask productive capacity. Even the 23 million nation of Taiwan makes more masks than the US. The reason they claim a shortage is that their goal is to flood nearly every man, woman and child with a continual mask supply – not just health care professionals. To be clear I agree with the East Asian mask consensus and not with the CDC/WHO consensus that only Health-Care Professionals need them, but that is besides the point because our Health Care Professionals do not even have enough.

China and Taiwan have banned exports. We can expect China to do this – but Taiwan is supposed to be our friend and we have helped them for decades – to the point of risking war with China – to keep them independent. Yesterday Taiwan not-so-generously proposed to start supplying us with 100,000 per week. This is 1/700th or 0.14% of their production of 70 Million per week. Forget about their claimed mask shortages – we must remember that is only because they are attempting to nearly blanket every single person in their country of 23 Million with continuous masks. That is their right to try and is probably wise, but given our robust and necessary protection of their independent existence, why are we not firmly asking – arm twisting behind the scenes if you will – to get them to supply more like 1 million per day? We could pay dearly for them – almost no price is too high – so Taiwan can save face. Our health care professionals in a nation of 320 million should come before every man woman and child in Taiwan getting one. American lives are at stake.

Here’s a questions: What’s behind the big difference in how everybody is thinking about hand sanitizers vs. facemasks? The news is full of stories about

American gumption: Everybody and his uncle are brewing their own hand sanitizer! vs.

We’re doomed: There aren’t enough masks for doctors and nurses and there’s nothing anyone can do about the shortage.

How come I’m not seeing stories about clever organizations making masks like I am about everybody making hand sanitizer?

Is it because hand sanitizer is virtually unregulated and mask factories have to meet stringent safety inspections?

Is it because the media is worried that reporting good news on masks would make people want them and undermine the cover story that only people who have taken both Maskology 101 and 102 will get the slightest benefit out of them?

What’s the deal?

 
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  1. J.Ross says:

    Might be worth reiterating the point that N95s should of course first go to professionals, but there is benefit in ordinary masks, since they protect others from your germs, they remind you not to touch your face, and they create a little room of humidity for your orifices.

  2. Anonymous[225] • Disclaimer says:

    https://twitter.com/hashtag/fuckchina?f=live

    I expect this sentiment to get much worse as more people lose their livelihoods, remain on lockdown, and even lose parents and grandparents because of this.

    For all of the purported wisdom and long-term thinking the CCP is supposed to posses, they don’t seem to grasp the magnitude of the global backlash they are going to face, especially if this becomes Great Depression 2.0.

    They’re still trying to deny responsibility, they threatened to cut off the supply of drugs to the US (and “drown” us in a “sea of coronavirus”), and they are only offering token assistance to the countries whose economies and populations they’ve ravaged.

  3. Anon7 says:

    As long as we’re looking at bad scenarios, our current President is 73 years old, and Joe Biden is 77 years old. What if they’re both dead by November?

    Tucker Carlson thinks that Joe Biden is being kept under wraps to protect his image against accusations of age-related cognitive impairment. What if he is being kept in strict isolation – the old boy in the bubble routine? Is that how he would serve as President?

    Better get Trump in the bubble now.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @ScarletNumber
  4. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    There should be a core list of items that should be on a “normal strategic restricted list” with floating tariffs so that at any time a certain percentage of the normal demand is produced in the United States under the ageis of national security. This would also include drugs used in executions so foreign suppliers could not presume to tell us what they may and may not be used for.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anonymous
  5. We used to roll out massive ships quickly during WWII. There are lots of unemployed people, plus military personnel can be activated to do what is necessary (what exactly are the ones who are based overseas doing right now anyway?)- so I say the federal government should subsidize certain factories to switch production to masks, and pay trainable young people (under 40, who won’t be at high risk due to close spaces) good money to make these masks. It could even be a resume-booster…

    You could have hundreds of thousands of them rolling in 2 weeks. More, if you apply the same model to lots and lots of factories.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  6. wren says:

    • Replies: @George
  7. Anonymous[193] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    People have been gradually primed for a military confrontation with China over the past decade. John Pilger’s documentary “The Coming War On China” which premiered in 2016 describes this development very well.

    Elon Musk publicly said last month that “the Chinese economy is probably going to be at least twice as big as the United States’ economy, maybe three times” and that “The foundation of war is economics.” The US has to go to war with China now before it’s too late and the window closes. The major risk though is that this could go nuclear and make the coronavirus outbreak look like child’s play.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/28/musk-says-chinese-economy-will-surpass-the-us-by-two-or-three-times.html

    • Agree: Daniel Chieh
  8. @Anon7

    Better get Trump in the bubble now.

    If his diet hasn’t killed him by now, some stupid little Sinovirus isn’t likely to, either.

    • LOL: Enochian
    • Replies: @eastkekiisawhiteguy
  9. Ron Unz says:
    @Anonymous

    I expect this sentiment to get much worse as more people lose their livelihoods, remain on lockdown, and even lose parents and grandparents because of this.

    For all of the purported wisdom and long-term thinking the CCP is supposed to posses, they don’t seem to grasp the magnitude of the global backlash they are going to face, especially if this becomes Great Depression 2.0.

    Well, that’s possible. But it would be a pretty unreasonable reaction considering that the American government totally ignored the problem for a couple of months, thereby allowing it to fester and escalate. By contrast, South Korea, Taiwan, and Japan all reacted promptly and they now have the disease largely under control.

    Anyway, as I’ve repeatedly emphasized, I think there’s a pretty good chance the Coronavirus outbreak was a biowarfare attack by elements of the Deep State Neocons against China (and Iran). So maybe it’s the Neocons who should be the targets of popular anger.

    People might definitely want to take a look at this piece we recently ran, consisting of several very lengthy comments republished from the Saker’s blog. The writer calls himself “OldMicrobiologist” and claims to have spent 40 years working in government biodefense. He’s a bit elderly (he retired a decade ago), so you’ll need to excuse a few minor typos. But I investigated a little, and I think it’s highly likely that his background is exactly what he says it was:

    https://www.unz.com/article/was-coronavirus-a-biowarfare-attack-against-china/

    Considering such apparent expertise, his strong suspicions that Coronavirus was an American bioweapon unleashed against China should be taken quite seriously.

  10. Sigh. In case anyone thinks this blog is dangerous and needs to have its credibility assaulted, we have all kinds of help with that.

  11. Will double layer cloth masks provide some degree of protection? They used to be the norm in operating theaters a generation ago. They have the additional benefit of being reusable, because they can be sterilized.

  12. anonymous[225] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    Considering that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was studying precisely this kind of virus and the possibility of zoonotic transmission to humans (possibly with some other mammal as an intermediary) suggests that it’s much more likely that the Wuhan Institute of Virology had an accidental leak, or that the wet markets facilitated the kind of zoonotic transmission their research anticipated:

    https://jvi.asm.org/content/jvi/82/4/1899.full.pdf

    Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) is caused by the SARS-associated coronavirus (SARS-CoV), which uses angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) as its receptor for cell entry. A group of SARS-like CoVs (SL-CoVs) has been identified in horseshoe bats. SL-CoVs and SARS-CoVs share identical genome organizations and high sequence identities, with the main exception of the N terminus of the spike protein (S), known to be responsible for receptor binding in CoVs. In this study, we investigated the receptor usage of the SL-CoV S by combining a human immunodeficiency virus-based pseudovirus system with cell lines expressing the ACE2 molecules of human, civet, or horseshoe bat. In addition to full-length S of SL-CoV and SARS-CoV, a series of S chimeras was constructed by inserting different sequences of the SARS-CoV S into the SL-CoV S backbone. Several important observations were made from this study. First, the SL-CoV S was unable to use any of the three ACE2 molecules as its receptor. Second, the SARS-CoV S failed to enter cells expressing the bat ACE2. Third, the chimeric S covering the previously defined receptor-binding domain gained its ability to enter cells via human ACE2, albeit with different efficiencies for different constructs. Fourth, a minimal insert region (amino acids 310 to 518) was found to be sufficient to convert the SL-CoV S from non-ACE2 binding to human ACE2 binding, indicating that the SL-CoV S is largely compatible with SARS-CoV S protein both in structure and in function

    • Agree: ThreeCranes
    • Replies: @ic1000
    , @Kronos
  13. After watching a few You Tube videos featuring face mask machines, I concluded that if this nation cannot manufacture these machines, we are doomed because we do not deserve to survive.

    • Agree: epebble, J.Ross
    • Replies: @epebble
    , @gregor
  14. @J.Ross

    Thank you.

    Right now hospitals have gone beyond their usual supply chains and are contacting hardware stores, Grangier, welding supply, etc., etc., for N95 or above rated masks, including masks not designed for healthcare but that meet NIOSH criteria. But they are all gone because 1.) we don’t make anything in the US anymore and 2.) random preppers grabbed them and now have a box sitting in their garage ‘just in case.’ and 3.) our ‘friends’ and ‘allies’ aren’t so interested in alliances or free trade when it involves them actually doing something to help us rather than just stealing our IP.

    For a regular person an N95s isn’t going to do much more than a regular surgical mask (or a bandanna.) N95s give you protection for airborne particles but the majority of COVID transmission seems to be what is termed droplet transmission–you cough on your hand, touch a doorknob, somebody else touches it then touches their face, for example. Or somebody sneezes on you and little drops of spit and snot are floating around momentarily before falling to the ground. For that a regular surgical mask (or bandanna or whatever) is fine because it keeps you from touching your face, humidity is higher, etc., as you said, and it will also block the big drops. I would pair it with nitrile gloves and some kind of eye protection (glasses are probably enough.) And it protects other people.

    However something like an intubation involves essentially looking directly down the trachea of an infected person. In that case you need the extra protection. (The professional societies are actually currently arguing about what the protocols should be, particularly given the shortage, but everybody agrees that for known or suspected COVID you need N95 or better.) I’ve talked to two CRNAs who openly said they would refuse to enter a COVID or suspected COVID room to intubate if the appropriate personal protective equipment was not available.

    • Replies: @vhrm
    , @Mike1
  15. Anon[195] • Disclaimer says:

    Masks are coming into Japan from China, at least from factories owned by Japanese companies. The catch is that the Chinese are skimming inventory for domestic use, up to 80 percent of production. One of the Japanese mask company presidents mentioned this on the news the other night. He didn’t seem that upset, so the Chinese must be paying him.

  16. wren says:

    The US needs some kind of masked, hydroxychloroquine moon shot or something.

    • Thanks: MEH 0910
  17. @Ron Unz

    He rageth and rageth for he knows his time is short.

    Lol you deserve every bit of the ignominy and hatred that is coming your way. And for what folty glains of lice.

    • Thanks: Redneck farmer
  18. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    Sorry Ron thats lunacy. China’s wet markets were known to be a threat back in the early 2000s. China’s horrible habit of keeping wild and domestic animals together for eating and general filthy hygiene have been known to be a pandemic threat since David Quammens Outbreak book.

    Charitably you are grasping at straws for a theory of control.

    When life is chaos. You think you are in control. But no one is.

    CIA unwillingness to change a huge part of Chinese life has caused a global recession and likely a whole series of wars and massive crime here possibly leading to hot civil war . All because Chinese like to eat disgusting thing in disgusting ways and Xi lacked the nerve ending that unlike genociding the Uighurs for doing what Muslims do best, jihad.

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
  19. @PiltdownMan

    Yes. Probably pretty much as good as the paper masks, although it depends on how fine the weave is. You can make this at home, and also make a fashion statement. I would also wear eye protection (big ugly glasses are great, clear shop glasses or goggles also fine) and those purple/blue nitrile gloves. There is no shortage of any of those things. That triad gets you to the level of ‘droplet protection.’

    The next level is ‘airborne protection’. For this upgrade you need (at minimum) a plastic face shield and an N95. This is what is currently recommended for paramedics/physicians/ICU nurses/nurse anesthetists/respiratory therapists who are treating COVID patients in close quarters since they get a really, really heavy exposure, high viral loads.

    N95s are pointless overkill for normal people because they are like barring the windows and leaving the front door wide open. I see people wearing them without gloves on and they’re touching everything. The tiny amount of extra protection you get from an N95 means squat if you touch your face with your dirty hands. Same with eye protection: the N95 protecting your lungs and nasopharynx means nothing if particles can get in your eyes. Wearing an N95 with no face shield and no gloves is nonsensical. You are likely better off with a bandanna, glasses/goggles, and gloves.

    • Replies: @Grace Jones
    , @Pontius
  20. RW says:
    @Ron Unz

    Just as possible would be China — perhaps China’s own deep state — deliberately leaking a laboratory developed virus, anticipating China’s economy would take a hit but knowing that Western military power, especially that of the USA, would likely weaken to the point where China could deal with the Hong Kong and Taiwan issues by force once and for all. Xi is not happy about losing face in Hong Kong. And this way he could make it look as if the US military was simply getting its just desserts for maybe leaking the virus. We’ll see what happens in the late spring and summer.

    But I still say it was most likely bat-civet-human transmission.

  21. I go back and forth between:

    1, Chinese barbarism — eating random virus breeding grounds,

    2, Chinese incompetence– a leak from the Wuhan lab

    3, Chinese official intentionally releasing the virus

    If some nefarious actors unleashed it to further their control of the world, they have greater levels of psychopathy than I could have imagined.

    Xi’s handling this matter has been very poor. Now he is into the lying and propaganda phase and the truth (that the virus is still spreading the deaths are going way up in China) will get out. I thought Xi was smarter than this.

    Masks seem to be the best remedy. Those various health officials that were saying no to masks really should get their due reward.

    • Replies: @Lot
  22. Who suffers more permanent damage to their reputation Greg Cochran or Ron Unz from this century’s first Y2K laugh rio? Admittedly an angels dancing on pinheads type question but an interesting one none the less.

    • Agree: JosephB
  23. Seriously, man, just go to Joann’s fabric, buy some, make a mask, make 10. It’s easy. Or just use some clothes you don’t like anyway and cut them up. Surgical masks are not some high tech item. Basic sewing is not that hard. Everybody’s stuck at home, it’ll be fun. N95s can’t be made at home but basic surgical masks sure as heck can.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  24. BenKenobi says:

    I’m still not seeing it. I live in downtown Vancouver. I’m up to my balls in Chinese every damn day.

    Wait that came out wrong.

    This place is replete with Chinese (and Persians) and of the ~10 deaths so far, I think 7 of them have been in a single old-folks home on the north shore. I’m sure more junkies on the downtown east side have OD’d during this time frame.

    I’m still not seeing it.
    Why is everyone acting like next week we’re all gonna be in our own live-action version of The Road?

  25. This guy says he’s making masks now.

    But this guy says he’s hampered by a lack of materials and regulatory problems.

  26. duh says:

    1. Masks are associated with bank robbers and other criminals. If a bunch of youths are walking toward me with masks I’d be very scared.
    2. Burkas would be normalized as just another sort of mask.
    3. High tech investments in mass facial recognition by government, law enforcement, and companies will be twarted.

  27. 1661er says:

    How come I’m not seeing stories about clever organizations making masks?

    I saw this item at Marginal Revolution:

    “Japan schoolgirl uses own savings to handcraft 612 masks for people in need”
    https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20200318/p2a/00m/0na/014000c

    With so many Americans idle at home shelter-in-place, it seems like Federal government can enlist them into mask production. Want to get enhanced unemployment benefits? Just sign up for the program to receive raw fabrics, watch instruction videos online and return finished product.

    Maybe teach Americans to darn their own socks while we are at it.

    • Replies: @RoyaleWCheese
  28. A couple of observations about masks, after almost two months of continuous mask-wearing when going out.

    First, to quote the westhunter comment:

    Forget about their [Taiwan’s] claimed mask shortages – we must remember that is only because they are attempting to nearly blanket every single person in their country of 23 Million with continuous masks.

    The thing is, if you’re going to get real benefit from masks, I suspect nearly everybody has to wear one whenever they’re out in a public place.

    Why is that? It’s because the mask is a marker, a symbol, a catalyst for a whole range of behavioral changes that act in concert to reduce viral transmission chances. The mask is the poster boy for social distancing. Wearing one reminds you not to touch your face, not to touch public surfaces, not to shake hands, not to stand too close to people — and then to wash your hands and use sanitizer whenever you need to handle your mask, i.e. every time you’ve just been out in public and now have arrived somewhere and can take it off.

    I’m not saying it’s impossible to practice all of these other precautions without masks. But wearing one daily is a constant reminder.

    So how many masks do you actually need? Officially, you’re recommended to change masks every time you go in and out, i.e. every time you can take your mask off, you pitch it. This would lead to most people using up several masks a day, most days.

    This expectation is quickly forgotten, I can assure you, when people are really trying to maintain constant masking, as is the case here in Hong Kong. Lots of people use a mask for a couple of days, and some people stretch it well beyond that because they can’t find any to buy, or they’re too poor or cheap to use them up faster. I’ve got no idea how much this kind of over-wear reduces a mask’s efficacy, and I suspect no one else really does, either.

    But even in the worst case scenario, i.e. your mask is so worn out that it’s not filtering anything, at least you’re still holding in your own emissions, and you’re benefiting from that reminder to be vigilant that wearing one gives you. The downside with wearing masks for a prolonged period: they get filthy and smell really bad. You’ve got to throw it away at some point.

    Let’s finish with a little look at the numbers. The 100K/week masks mentioned in the quotation is next to nothing. At 70 million a week, Taiwan is producing enough to give every one of its 23 million citizens just three per week. Even subtracting old people who never go out, babies, etc., that’s nowhere near enough for each Taiwanese to have access to a very reasonable one mask a day.

    Think about how many masks would be needed for every American to have a mask a day: rounding off to 300 million who need them, a week’s tally would be 2.1 billion. I don’t think this kind of supply is going to materialize anytime soon, when the USA has one (1) company that manufactures them, as Steve noted in an earlier post.

    So the question he poses here is a really good one: why are there no indications that new ways of making masks fast are being pursued in the USA?

    • Thanks: ChrisZ
    • Replies: @CCZ
    , @Scott Novak
  29. Lot says:
    @Ron Unz

    Accusing our military and intelligence professionals of mass murder is evil.

    But we already knew that:

    “Featured Book: Mein Kampf, by Adolf Hitler”

    • Replies: @JMcG
  30. Anonymous[369] • Disclaimer says:
    @RW

    Mark Steyn in filling in for Rush Limbaugh (3/17/2020) had a revealing observation which seems to be a clue as to who one of the targets of this COVID-19 was.

    At 10:22 of the podcast:

    “The number I watch, because the Chinese are lying, the Iranians are lying. In the obituary column in Tehran today there are another four bigshots who died… but in Tehran, the Tehran papers, the obituaries column is full of Iranian bigshots, bigshot Ayatollahs, bigshot generals from the Revolutionary Guard who are all pushing up daisies now, uh, which is the good news.”

    10:22:

    What are the chances that COVID-19 would just happen to be contracted by and kill Iranian bigshots, generals, and ayatollahs? Seems highly improbable.

    Who has a beef with Iran? Who doesn’t like the technology and military cooperation China has with Iran?

    Iran and China Are Strengthening Their Military Ties

    https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/iran-and-china-are-strengthening-their-military-ties

    • Agree: Ron Unz
    • Replies: @anon
    , @RW
  31. Lot says:
    @Gaius Gracchus

    “Chinese incompetence– a leak from the Wuhan lab”

    Some known examples:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Kunshan_explosion

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Tianjin_explosions

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Xiangshui_chemical_plant_explosion

    Then there’s the filthy air. And not just the bat soup, but demand for rhino horn and tiger bone “medicine” leading them to extinction.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  32. wren says:
    @Ron Unz

    That post predated the Chinese minister tweeting about it, but he provided a different source. An article by an American living in Shanghai.

  33. Anon[531] • Disclaimer says:

    Apparently homemade tea towel (dish towels in the US) masks are quite effective too. 2 layers of tea towels are just as effective as surgical masks.

  34. @BenKenobi

    I’m still not seeing it.

    One of the benefits of electronic communications is that you can learn about things happening in the broader world, not readily apparent in your own neighborhood or to your own five senses. Granted (as we all know) these same conduits for information are often compromised by people with various agendas, but the point still remains that they can be educational.

    I’m happy for you that your town seems relatively unaffected. And I wish you luck in keeping it that way.

    • Replies: @botazefa
    , @BenKenobi
    , @Mr. Anon
  35. @Whiskey

    Charitably you are grasping at straws for a theory of control.

    When life is chaos. You think you are in control. But no one is.

    Absolutely. Also, far-fetched conspiracy theories, we need to remember that about 1% of the population suffers from schizophrenia. Paranoid schizophrenia is the most common type. I don’t think it’s all hallucinations, it can also just be really distorted thinking that imagines a bunch of random events are being controlled by some malevolent force.

    Theories like this appeal to those types, and it ends up derailing any real conversation or investigation. It makes life hard on those of us who question stories coming out of Washington DC. Because the truth is, most lies are petty and not part of a grand E-velllleee scheme.

    And frankly, every bad thing that’s happened to us over the last 70 years was public policy (mass 3rd world immigration, forced integration, etc.). There was nothing secret about it.

    • Agree: ic1000
    • Replies: @dfordoom
  36. CCZ says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    “Lots of people use a mask for a couple of days,”

    If the mask has actually “encountered,” blocked, and protected someone from viral particle exposure, don’t the particles remain “alive” on the surface of the mask for a period of time and wouldn’t touching the mask while reusing it permit the spread of viral particles to the user’s fingers, hands, face?? Can masks be “decontaminated” for reuse?

  37. George says:
    @wren

    Isn’t the whole thing fake? How. Come the Asiática can’t use their oragami to make masks? Why do they need our masks?

  38. Hadoren says:

    Why not make masks ourselves? Surgical masks are easy to make – they’re pieces of cloth.

    Order Boeing, Ford, GM, and Tesla to switch their factories to making masks. I’m confident they can make tens of millions a day. And it stops them from going bankrupt! It’s not as if anybody’s going to be buying planes or cars in the next few months.

    If you can make a plane or a car, you can make a mask.

    • Replies: @Houston 1992
    , @JMcG
    , @dfordoom
  39. Andrew M says:

    I came across a news report from Belgium, where inmates at a prison are making face masks in bulk. They aren’t up to N95 standard, but as everyone says above, it’s better than no mask at all.

    Link (see last two paragraphs): http://www.flanderstoday.eu/face-mask-donations-support-exposed-medical-staff

    Lots more detail available in non-English news sources, but the bottom line is that anybody with basic sewing skills can create a useful face mask.

  40. vhrm says:
    @SimpleSong

    With respect, is there any proof of this?

    N95s give you protection for airborne particles but the majority of COVID transmission seems to be what is termed droplet transmission–you cough on your hand, touch a doorknob, somebody else touches it then touches their face, for example. Or somebody sneezes on you and little drops of spit and snot are floating around momentarily before falling to the ground.

    First, this doesn’t really door that well with this supposed large fraction of asymptomatic carriers/spreaders. Asymptomatic people don’t cough or sneeze… sooo how are they shedding virus to infect people?

    Also coughs and sneezes apparently create pretty complex clouds of various droplets sizes that travel “pretty far” 8″ and can stay airborne for at least minutes. I don’t have the paper at hand but a mechanical simulation (mannequins) showed n95 reduced aspirated virus particles ~90% whereas surgical mask only ~ 56%.

    • Replies: @HA
    , @SimpleSong
    , @Kylie
  41. wren says:

    Hillary Clinton gets into the après-ski spirit (literally) two weeks ago with someone who now has the virus.

    • Replies: @Kronos
  42. anon[181] • Disclaimer says:

    Elon Musk volunteered to produce either facemarks or respirators.

    Meanwhile, at the low end, Etsy is selling:

    https://www.etsy.com/search?q=cloth%20facemasks

  43. JimB says:
    @Ron Unz

    And what about the recent Nature paper that says COVID-19 evolved naturally?

    https://www.modernhealthcare.com/safety-quality/covid-19-not-man-made-comparative-genomic-study-finds

    It’s much most likely that the virus was harvested from wildlife for study at the Wuhan Inst. of Virology, and that a researcher or lab technician was selling infected animals to the nearby wet market for cash.

    https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2020/02/24/expert-chinese-scientists-sell-lab-animals-meat-black-market/

    Occam’s razor would suggest release of the virus by a greedy bozo in China is more plausible than an utterly evil plot by the US military to wipe out a geopolitical rival through biowarfare. Frankly, that sounds more like the sort of thing a country that forcibly harvests organs from political prisoners would do.

  44. George says:

    Chi-com plan to kill all our old fat people suffering from coronary disease by cutting off our filter mask supply must be thwarted.

  45. Know when to hold’em, know when to fold’em department: Kenny Rogers RIP.

  46. Kim says:
    @BenKenobi

    Why? Because it distracts from the trillions of dollars of stealing that is happening in the background.

  47. AnonAnon says:
    @Ron Unz

    I think there’s a pretty good chance the Coronavirus outbreak was a biowarfare attack by elements of the Deep State Neocons against China (and Iran)

    More like there’s a pretty good chance you and several other authors here are on China’s payroll.

    The Chinese aren’t exactly know for their adherence to rules and standards. This virus likely escaped their lab due to laxity and incompetence and now the world is paying the price. When this is over I hope we make things very painful for China for a long, long time.

    • Replies: @eastkekiisawhiteguy
  48. Anonymous[409] • Disclaimer says:

    Basically, ‘Hand Sanitizer’ is just a big con.

    Anyone with enough nous and entrepreneurial spirit (no pun intended) can brew up hefty quantities of a ‘potent biocide – which presumably wipes out 99.99% of all known viruses – just by diluting, to suitable money spinning proportions, enough proprietary bleach, medical alcohol, disinfectant etc – stuff churned out by the mega gallon by the chemical industry, and, in extremis can be simply had by the common as muck strategy of passing electricity through salt water – of which there is a hyper abundance. (Chlorine).

    Presumably, medical quality face masks met certain standards regarding ‘pore size’ etc – thus providing a brake on ubiquitous manufacture. A very, very rudimentary piece of kit, if there ever was one. The only raw material being dense fibrous compressed matting or cloth and elastic, with perhaps a nose pincher of thin steel. Very rudimentary sewing and cutting skills needed to make one. Perhaps old bed linen, kitchen towel, tissue etc would do, with any old string, yarn, elastic etc to keep the damn thing on.

    I’m afraid to say that even that basic basic skill set – and mercantile spirit – has been ‘lost’ in western populations due to industrial apathy caused by the collapse and offshoring of the vast bulk of basic manufacturing, the associated skill base, and the capable quick witted middlemen who were quick to scent opportunities.

    What hope is there for a society that can’t even make its own socks and undershorts anymore?

  49. Anonymous[409] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    No.

    As ‘Deepthroat’ famously declared “Follow the Money”.

    China is Big Business. The most formidable moneymaking the world has ever seen – a real palace of Croesus.
    Rest assured that the power people, those with *real* wealth and influence are in the pay of China and benefit handsomely from keeping the status quo of Chinese economic dominance going.

  50. anon[186] • Disclaimer says:

    Honestly? Fuck this bullshit panic lockdown.
    Let the virus rip and see where we end up.

    • Replies: @Mike_from_SGV
    , @S. Anonyia
  51. vhrm says:

    i think this may thing is, in large part due to the medical establishment being wasteful in a time of shortage + nurses unions clamoring for attention and claiming they’re understaffed, underresourced etc. which is what they do all the time. Unions are advocacy organizations, so it’s part of their job, but when you hear then you have to be aware of where they’re coming from and take everything with a grain of salt.

    a) Respirators can be reused for a long time (in this threat scenario where “touch” infection is not a super high concern). Eg. in a hospital in NY they’re already using them for a week right now.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/20/nyregion/ny-coronavirus-hospitals.html

    I can bet they used to treat them as single use until a week or two ago. So partly the health system has itself to blame for not putting the brakes on sooner on usage.
    (i have no evidence of this, but it is a high probability and implied on how those doctors talk about the current state of things)

    b) Trump two or three days ago had FDA give the go ahead for hospitals to use the industrial/construction ones.
    US producers of such are also taking up production.
    3M itself makes > 1m n95s a day in the US ( https://news.3m.com/blog/3m-stories/3m-responds-2019-novel-coronavirus )

    There are (according to bls) ~ 4.5 million RNs NPs PAs and doctors in the us.

    So just 3m domestic production could provide 1 -2 per week to every healthcare professional.

    This doesn’t account for any imports, existing stock or whatever Honeywell is producing (which seems to be ~3 -4 m / day in Mexico ).

    Between the two of them it’s 1 n95 per nurse or doctor per day.

    • Replies: @botazefa
  52. @J.Ross

    This is a well made instrution for home-made paper-towel masks

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0V16WeQxnQ  

    Such masks serve at least some of the useful purposes n95s do, I’d assume.

  53. danand says:

    Don’t forget the eyes, wear glasses. May be right up there efficacy wise with masks for prevention.

    “Experts say guarding your eyes — as well as your hands and mouth — can slow the spread of coronavirus.

    Here’s why it’s important to protect your eyes during the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic, plus how you can help yourself and others:

    “It’s important to remember that although there is a lot of concern about coronavirus, common sense precautions can significantly reduce your risk of getting infected. So wash your hands a lot, follow good contact lens hygiene and avoid touching or rubbing your nose, mouth and especially your eyes,” says ophthalmologist Sonal Tuli, MD, a spokesperson for the American Academy of Ophthalmology.

    Other recommendations:
    If you wear contact lenses, switch to glasses for a while.
    Wearing glasses may add a layer of protection.
    Stock up on eye medicine prescriptions if you can.
    Avoid rubbing your eyes.
    If you feel an urge to itch or rub your eye or even to adjust your glasses, use a tissue instead of your fingers.

    Source: American Academy of Ophthalmology”

  54. @CCZ

    Would microwaving a mask kill any germs on it? Surely rinsing it in a bleach solution would.

    • Replies: @SimpleSong
  55. @CCZ

    Yes, a used mask theoretically has ‘caught’ pathogens, so you’re supposed to be very careful in handling it.

    But in my observations, many people here aren’t careful with used masks at all — and yet mask-wearing does seem to help in keeping overall viral spread rates down. That’s why I think it’s the other behaviors associated with mask-wearing that are really helping.

    Masks are so obvious and visible that you just can’t forget about the need to be careful. In this sense, even homemade masks that had no medical value might still help. But you’d need to get lots of people making and wearing them for it to make much difference.

    • Replies: @Hhsiii
    , @Chrisnonymous
  56. MG says:

    OT comic relief.

  57. anon[247] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    The CDC posted a job ad for quarantine workers for major cities throughout the country on 11/15/2019, before the first case in China came to light in late Nov/early Dec:

    https://jobs.cdc.gov/job/dallas/public-health-advisor-quarantine-program/250/14136286

    There was also that coronavirus outbreak pandemic exercise “Event 201” held by Deep State types in October 2019.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Anonymous
  58. Hhsiii says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    I saw a guy with his mask down smoking a cigar. Had a certain zfg appeal.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  59. @Hadoren

    And they will purchase the raw materials from whom ? The raw materials are made in Asia too. “Free trade” dogma rules

  60. The Life Care Center of Kirkland. should be analyzed more. If I understand correctly, they only had 120 residents and 33 died. That’s shockingly huge. They say between 3 to 7 die every month anyway, but it’s an excess of at least 26 deaths.

    I don’t know if these were particularly vulnerable nursing home folks or not but it looks like run of the place. I haven’t heard of any of the staff workers dying.

    https://lcca.com/downloads/kirkland/Kirkland-Update-03202020.pdf

    https://lcca.com/locations/wa/kirkland/

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  61. Anon[272] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    The problem with a national strategic stockpile is how far up the sigma scale do you go? There are apparently a metric ton of ventilators in the national stockpile, but in light of a pandemic, the number (it’s secret, but I’ve read over 100,000) seems measly. Do you really stockpile 10 million ventilators? What if the pandemic is something else, like plague, and requires something else to be stockpiled, like various types of antibiotics? Or dialysis machines? Or a nuclear disaster that requires other sorts of items?

    The problem with masks is that they are traditionally used once per patient and discarded. Under current circumstances a ridiculous number would have to have been stockpiled, since medical workers would need 20 a day and normal citizens maybe 2 or more a day. And there is no end in sight, and factories will be closed unless you also stockpiled automated humanless factories. The government could not possibly have prepared for this, even if this particular exact disaster and its specific needs were known in advance.

    The moral: People die. That’s what is meant by “mortal.” A bunch of us are going to die this year.

  62. HA says:
    @vhrm

    “Asymptomatic people don’t cough or sneeze… sooo how are they shedding virus to infect people?”

    They’re presumably expelling moisture-laden air every time they exhale. Put your hand loosely over your mouth and feel it for yourself.

    They are also leaving moist virus-contaminated smears on doorknobs, light switches, arm rests, and faucets.

  63. @RW

    Nah, it was a leak. If it was planned, they would have hit the West first instead of their own. This way, they would minimise losses to their own economy.

  64. Twinkie says:

    That is their right to try and is probably wise, but given our robust and necessary protection of their independent existence, why are we not firmly asking – arm twisting behind the scenes if you will – to get them to supply more like 1 million per day? We could pay dearly for them – almost no price is too high – so Taiwan can save face.

    They don’t need our money, as Taiwan is quite wealthy these days (they certainly aren’t going to sacrifice the lives of their citizens for our money, and I can’t blame them for that). What they really want is the latest generation weaponry from the United States, the supply of which is inconsistent and depends on our relationship with China. If our government really wanted to obtain the supply of the masks from Taiwan, we could likely do it, but it would involve selling the Taiwanese the arms they want, which would in turn greatly annoy China. Is our government willing to save the lives of our citizens at the risk of annoying China? I think we already have the answer.

  65. @vhrm

    sooo how are they shedding virus to infect people?

    Rub eyes touch doorknob. Touch nose touch table. Eat with your hands, get some saliva on index finger, shake someones hand 15 minutes later. Also, the people described as ‘asymptomatic’ are probably not truly asymptomatic. Did they go 24 hours without blowing their nose, without coughing, etc.? I doubt it. They probably feel fine, no fever, but they likely have a few upper respiratory symptoms if you really pressed the issue or observed them carefully. It almost certainly doesn’t aerosolize directly from the lungs in someone breathing normally.

    mechanical simulation (mannequins) showed n95 reduced aspirated virus particles ~90% whereas surgical mask only ~ 56%.

    True that N95s catch more particles. This is due primarily to the tight edge seal around the cheeks and chin with the N95 so it has to go through the mask instead of around it. This is assuming it fits correctly (normally this has to be tested to make sure because people’s faces are different), and you are clean shaven. However if you don’t also have a full face shield or eye goggles, while no particles will be inhaled through your nose, some will land in your eye and promptly be carried by tears straight into your nasopharynx; thus the better filtration of the N95 is wasted.

    My point is that the N95 is part of a system–disposable gown, gloves, face shield, hair bonnet, and goggles/face shield constitutes airborne precautions. Just slapping an N95 on and thinking that provides a superior level of protection is delusional–it protects you from inhalation but those droplets end up in your hair, on your clothes, in your eyes. And when you take the mask off–guess where all those viral particles are–caught in the mask. So you’d better use gloves to take it off. And hopefully you were wearing gloves the whole time you were wearing the mask because touching a contaminated surface is probably a bigger risk factor.

    My irritation stems from people walking around in public with N95s because it does very little to reduce that individual’s risk (which was already pretty low) because they are using it improperly, but it prevents somebody from using it who really, really needed it and would have used it correctly.

    • Agree: Muggles
    • Replies: @vhrm
  66. JosephB says:
    @Ron Unz

    Ron, your language has been interesting. Initially it was a 97% chance, then it switched to increasingly likely, now it’s a “pretty good chance.”

    Can we quantify things? What odds would you give on a bet:
    Your side: the virus originated in the US (bioweapon or naturally)
    My side: the virus originated in China (bioweapon or naturally)

    I’m willing to put up $100 on my side. What odds would you offer on the bet? I ask, since the odds you offer imply your belief in the US-origin story.

    Here’s an alternative view on the suspiciousness of the timing:
    1. It was close enough to the games in Wuhan US soldiers attended as to draw suspicion, but delayed enough that it is implausible, but not impossible, that the Wuhan games event was the origin.

    2. It was early enough that action could be taken before the Chinese New Year’s travel. Having it blossom a month later would have been much more devastating.

    So, the timing was extremely convenient for China. China suffered modest damage, but as compensation they get:
    1. A couple of PR coups. “Look how we suffered to contain the virus. It disrupted a major national event.” “We did the right thing quickly.”
    2. Devastation of their competitors’ economies.

    I think my scenario is more likely. But rather than an academic debate, I find betting odds more useful. Heck, news organizations have begun aggregating betting sites for their predictions.

    So I repeat: what odds are you offering?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  67. Kylie says:
    @vhrm

    “Asymptomatic people don’t cough or sneeze… sooo how are they shedding virus to infect people?”

    Obviously, asymptomatic people don’t cough or sneeze because they have the virus. But they may cough or sneeze for other reasons: sinusitis and respiratory allergies. Spring rains and pollen aggravate those conditions. I imagine some asymptomatic carriers will infect others that way. “Don’t worry about my sneezing and coughing. I’m not sick. I don’t a fever. It’s just my allergies.”

  68. @Harry Baldwin

    Some of the non disposables can be wiped down with bleach, but the ones that are meant to be disposable will start to break down if you bleach them or autoclave them or whatever . So reusing these results in carrying around a little virus cake.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  69. @PiltdownMan

    YouTube has several videos on how to make double-layer cloth masks. My honey and I have the materials and we plan on making 20 or 30 today.

    • Replies: @Jehu
  70. @Anon

    The moral: People die. That’s what is meant by “mortal.” A bunch of us are going to die this year.

    On the other hand, many people will live who prepare themselves. I see no reason the US gov’t shouldn’t have a big stockpile of all kinds of medical stuff. Certainly things like antibiotics. Some supplies are relatively cheap.

    • Replies: @Alice
  71. Dennis Dale says: • Website

    I’m wearing a modified cold-weather mask that covers my face from just under my eyeglasses down to the trachea. If the lessened risk of inhalation is negligible, the lessened risk of hand-to-face transmission is undeniable.

    Now maybe I’m doing negligible good because the air particles can be so small they go right through the fabric and the nifty layered gauze filter I’ve added, and I’m getting minimal benefit re risk of inhalation. But maybe not; particles in the air will be of varied size, and diffuse. Also, there is a threshold the virus must meet–there is an exposure level too low to infect. Maybe people are letting the perfect be the enemy of the good here.

    As masks are the single least intrusive of the common measures talked about, I think it’s nuts more people are debating mask use in comment threads than are wearing them on the street.

  72. George says:

    Why does provocateur Cochran refer to it as ‘WuFlu’? Very unprofessional, but then again Cochran is not a pro. Is WuFlu actually an influenza?

    Cochran googled and found out about measles on the Faroe islands. I don’t know zilch about measles or the Faroe islands but mealses got me wondering. Why is this a global pandemic but the victims are for the most part old with other health problems and usually obese? Why no stories about the child victims? Who is the WuFlu poster child?

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
  73. unit472 says:

    I remember watching newsreels of London in pre Battle of Britain 1940. Citizens were equipped with gas masks. They even had them for a baby in a pram. Of course, western nations still made things in those days or had some warehouses full of leftover WW1 gas masks to distribute. Governments kept stockpiles of that sort of stuff. In the 1980’s I was down in the basement of a college library and came across a vast stockpile of Civil Defense supplies placed there when the Cold War looked like it might get hot. Geiger counters, water purification kits etc all still sitting in neatly stacked unopened boxes waiting for the day. Government agencies once were fit for purpose and did what the name of the agency suggested.

    A note aside, I am somewhat concerned that Trump and VP Pence appear together in those White House briefings just feet away from all those filthy MSNBC and CNN ‘agitators’. I know they do temperature checks now but they are not hard to fool. I had to undergo one the other day and I failed it because I was sitting in the sun waiting to be admitted into the building and my forehead got 1 degree too hot. I explained that to security and he retook it in the shade of a concrete pillar and my temperature was then acceptable. Curious, we repeated the experiment and I sat outside in the sun and security again took my temperature and found it too high. I then took a wet paper towel, wiped my forehead and, thanks to evaporative cooling, my temp was 3 degrees less so a diseased Jim Acosta could gain admittance and start coughing all over everyone at the briefing.

    • Replies: @Pontius
  74. By chance my wife and I have on hand 3 N95 masks. I took one with me to visit the county licensing office and a big box grocery store but did not put it on. Wearing it for a while pinches the nose and causes considerable discomfort. I post this just so you’ll know.

  75. Our response to all this has been perfectly anti-science.

    There are several clear ways that one can survive this. You don’t even have to come up with your own answer. Just copy Korea. Recognize that they are more advanced and copy them:

    (1) Masks

    (2) Indoor humidification

    (3) Chloroquine and hydrochloroquine

    Zinc and vitamin C are good too. I am feeling deeply depressed about this at the moment. I have been banging the drum about these things but our idiot overlords can only say: everyone stay away from everyone else. It is as though we are living in the dark ages and that is our level of knowledge.

    Dr. Anthony Fauci, who everyone adores, has been absolutely terrible. I have only contempt for that man. Masks, humidification and hydrochloroquine, every one of them highly effective, every one of them practiced by the successful South Korea and not one of them brought before the public in a high level way.

    You don’t even need a brain of your own. You can just copy the East Asians who are obviously much better at this. Instead our only solution is a medieval one: everybody run away! People talk about social distancing as if they are sophisticates but it is the lowest possible solution based on zero specific knowledge.

    Global economic depression seems like what we deserve. Humidity is bringing relief already. Already the southern areas of America are doing much, much better. Not that anybody will notice why. Just like they haven’t noticed that tropic areas are largely spared.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Pontius
  76. @anon

    No, we need to destroy the economy and the future of a generation of young people so that old sick people can live 8 months longer than they otherwise would have. /s

  77. ic1000 says:
    @anonymous

    Thanks for the link to that 2008 article, where Wuhan virologists did mix ‘n match experiments with coronaviruses and ACE receptors of different mammalian species. I scanned it, and saw no reference to safety precautions or ethics approvals. At first glance, it’s an interesting set of experiments… but I would have advised stepping very carefully before doing this sort of work.

    • Thanks: Dieter Kief
  78. Richard S says:

    our robust and necessary protection of [Taiwan’s] independent existence

    Lol, gotta keep “Airstrip Two” as insurance, because it’s always 1949!

    One of these days the mainlanders are going to eat the Taiwanee alive (figuratively??) so why is it the American people’s obligation to kill and die to prevent Chinese reunification?

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  79. DJT could fix this in five minutes by tweeting he was considering bringing the 7th Fleet closer to home.

  80. Richard S says:
    @Anonymous

    That’s a great way to lose your aircraft carrier fleet, and your bases in Korea and Japan. And how many totally trustworthy Chinese nationals live and work in every US city? America couldn’t batter the Vietnamese into submission, despite dropping a higher tonnage of bombs on them than they did on the Axis powers from 1942-45.

    In addition to knocking out the USAF and the navy, the Chinese would sell off their massive dollars holdings (getting value for money would be less important than devastating the US economy). Committing to a ground invasion would simply make the defeat more rapid. A war with China would be the final nail in the coffin of the American century.

  81. utu says:
    @anon

    Good catch. Possibly a significant piece of circumstantial evidence in support of Ron Unz hypothesis.

    https://jobs.cdc.gov/job/dallas/public-health-advisor-quarantine-program/250/14136286
    Public Health Advisor (Quarantine Program)

    Job ID HHS-CDC-D3-20-10640010
    Date posted 11/15/2019
    Location Dallas, Texas, El Paso, Texas, Houston, Texas, Seattle, Washington, Anchorage, Alaska, Los Angeles, California, San Diego, California, San Francisco, California, Miami, Florida, Atlanta, Georgia, Honolulu, Hawaii, Chicago, Illinois, Boston, Massachusetts, Detroit, Michigan, Minneapolis, Minnesota, Newark, New Jersey, New York, New York, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, San Juan
    Department: Department of Health And Human Services
    Agency: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
    Job Announcement Number: HHS-CDC-D3-20-10640010
    SALARY RANGE: $51440.0 to $93077.0/Per Year
    OPEN PERIOD: 2019-11-15 to 2020-05-15

    This position is located in the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), National Center for Emerging & Zoonotic Infectious Diseases (NCEZID), Division of Global Migration and Quarantine (DGMQ), Quarantine and Border Health Services Branch (QBHS) within various locations.

  82. Washing with warm water and regular bar/dish is enough. No need for sanitizer.

  83. iSteve commenter O’Really points out:

    what’s notable about the test being administered in Telluride is that it is an antibody test, which will tell if you were ever exposed – as opposed to a standard infection swab that only tells if you are sick now

    I presume you reached that conclusion based on the following passage:

    “This will be one of the first times where we screen a whole population,” Hu said. “What you do by testing en masse is you say, ‘What is active outbreak prevalence?’ If you’re positive on antibodies, that means you’ve been exposed to it at some time. If you test again in 14 days and you see that everyone is in the same state, it means that you didn’t have any new infections and you can then begin releasing people.”

    Well, this passage seems to presuppose an antibodies-type test, but this kind of test is reportedly still under development:

    https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-blood-test-antibodies.html?fbclid=IwAR3tRm_xRYEpUh_wMA8HxL6gvJJ5owWElcI9w73j9cqDg_ayFqxJga3viV8

  84. JMcG says:
    @Lot

    Grow up. I do t think there’s the remotest chance that the Wuhan virus is a US plant, but the USG has been hip deep in mass murder since the Second World War.
    Lieutenant Calley was court martialed for killing innocents with rifles and grenades. Air Force and Naval pilots were being given medals for doing the same thing with fragmentation and napalm bombs. The only difference is that there were no cameras on the receiving end of the bombing runs.
    You may not like it, I certainly don’t; but the US military has 75 years of killing women and children on its hands.

  85. Richard S says:
    @Ron Unz

    there’s a pretty good chance the Coronavirus outbreak was a biowarfare attack by elements of the Deep State Neocons against China (and Iran).

    This I doubt.

    So maybe it’s the Neocons who should be the targets of popular anger.

    This I do not doubt.

  86. How is a paper mask any better than taking a plain white t-shirt and tying it around one’s face?
    Fruit of the Loom could market their undershirts as renewable (wasted) energy in the fight against mild pathogens.

  87. Ron Unz says:
    @JosephB

    Ron, your language has been interesting. Initially it was a 97% chance, then it switched to increasingly likely, now it’s a “pretty good chance.”

    Nope, you absolutely misread me. I’ve never claimed that there was any solid evidence that Coronavirus was a bioweapon—let alone 97% likely!—and have always emphasized that the case was entirely circumstantial. What I have repeatedly stated is that if it *were* a bioweapon, an accidental release seems extremely implausible due to the timing, just before Lunar New Year, which was exceptionally bad for China:

    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/who-made-coronavirus-was-it-the-u-s-israel-or-china-itself/?showcomments#comment-3753228

    Here are a few factors supporting the hypothesis that it was a biowarfare attack against China by the Deep State Neocons:

    (1) Over the last couple of years, China has been hit by mysterious viral plagues that have devastated its domestic meat and poultry industries, so this is really the third one in a row. These viral plagues only began after the trade conflict with America escalated.

    (2) The Coronavirus outbreak occurred in the key transportation hub of Wuhan, just before Lunar New Year, and only the most extreme lockdown in human history was able to contain the virus and prevent it from becoming a permanent pandemic. The outbreak occurred right after 300 American military officers had been visiting the city. How would Americans react if 300 Chinese officers visited Chicago and soon afterward a mysterious new epidemic appeared in that city?

    (3) Aside from China, the country hardest hit early on was Iran and especially its political elites, being the only political elites anywhere in the world to have so far died from the disease. So we assassinated Iran’s top military leader and just a few weeks later, Iran’s political elites begin dying from a mysterious new disease. This seems an exceptionally suspicious coincidence.

    (4) I’ve noticed that many of the most fanatic pro-Israel/Neocon pundits and commenters seem exceptionally agitated on this issue. This seems rather suspicious to me.

    Again, all of this is merely circumstantial evidence, and it’s not clear to me how the case would ever be proven. But I was very pleased to see that someone who’d apparently spent 40 years working as an expert in American biodefense came to much the same conclusion:

    https://www.unz.com/article/was-coronavirus-a-biowarfare-attack-against-china/

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Sam Haysom
    , @A123
    , @UK
    , @HA
  88. @Hhsiii

    I saw a guy with his mask down smoking a cigar.

    That will help with the “social distancing”.

    (You sure it wasn’t his pants?)

  89. You have to have the materials to make the masks. That too is probably made in China. Or India. We don’t do that kind of demeaning work. We go to college instead to become managers and inspectors that pester any remaining mills or factories. Then you have a problem of machines and of who to operate the machines. I have wonder if some of the high end quilting sewing machines can do the task. Probably. I don’t know a quilter under the age of 70 except for my 65 yr old sister, who by the way would probably make masks except for the lack of proper materials. Heck if they didn’t have to fit properly I would too as the world’s worse seamstress.

  90. Anonymous[367] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    Can you give me some examples of item #4? Who are the agitated Neocons?

  91. Corvinus says:

    “How come I’m not seeing stories about clever organizations making masks like I am about everybody making hand sanitizer?”

    https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/nursing/these-colorado-nurses-are-sewing-their-own-face-masks.html

    Mr. Sailer, do not masks used in hospitals have to undergo a rigorous process to be deemed safe for the medical staff and patient? Could not that be a reason why we are not seeing a cottage industry of mask production? Perhaps these sources shed light on the subject.

    http://www.capradio.org/articles/2020/03/13/nurses-are-protesting-relaxed-rules-for-treating-coronavirus-patients-hospitals-say-theyre-following-cdc-guidelines/

    https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/20/818600557/mask-shortage-straps-pharmacists-who-need-them-to-keep-medicines-pure

  92. DvF says:

    The incentive to make new production of masks is lower than it otherwise would be because of the stigma of price gouging. You’d have to make a new set of machines, and then if the demand plummets, they’d sit idle. To make it worthwhile, you’d need to charge more, and now you’re “profiteering” during a crisis. The alternative is direct subsidy either from the government or wealthy donors.

  93. @RW

    Im not conspiratorial in the least but let’s say I was. Steve sailer is a beacon (his panic over China virus aside) of sobriety and incisive political thinking. Should his ideas become widespread in the GOP and conservative movement it would likely cement America first conservatism as the default ideology of the world’s most powerful country. That would likely result in much of Europe likely moving populist as well.

    Why wouldn’t the deep state activate a discarded and mostly discredited arms-length asset like Ron (AKA devoted globalist fifth columnists who stirs up kayfabe conflicts with the deep state about peripheral issues like Israel in the same way a discarded lover tries to get her ex-flames attention by serial dating) to torpedo the legitimacy of this site and consequently writers associated with the site. This is a far more logically parsimonious and frankly coherent conspiracy theory than anything Ron has been cooking up. Ron’s been reduced to quoting a sundowning old dude who retired ten years ago to support his theories- which means the Chinese also have zero evidence since they’ve clearly been feeding Ron talking points.

    Ron is a known ostensibly failed and disgraced deep state agent. He wasn’t able to deliver in 1994 and was seemingly cut loose but who is to say. And even if he was discarded his eagerness to be re-admitted to the ranks is clear. I would say it’s between 94-98% likely that this is true.

  94. Corvinus says:
    @S. Anonyia

    “We used to roll out massive ships quickly during WWII.”

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/craighooper/2020/03/20/navy-hospital-ships-coronavirus/#15fbc11a1b04

    “so I say the federal government should subsidize certain factories to switch production to mask…”

    And why is there seemingly inaction by our President on this front?

  95. @J.Ross

    All true J Ro, but you’re smart enough to know why there has been little emphasis on masks: doing so would reveal the colossal downside to America’s industrial policy over the last 50 years.

    We’ve deliberately outsourced as much manufacturing as we can, and while that’s brought us “low prices” on all kinds of stuff sold in the big box stores, the cost has been the loss of tens of millions of decent-paying factory jobs.

    Those factory jobs were the backbone for the Americans middle class. They didn’t require much education, they paid well, and they paved the way for Steve’s “Affordable Family Formation”.
    Now it’s a national disaster that we don’t have any masks and it’s because we outsourced that (and everything else) decades ago.

    No MSM pundit can keep his job long if he were to criticize our policy. The enormous wealth of the one-percenter’s rests largely on this policy.

    I agree with those who fear we are headed for another version of feudalism: the elite few owning or controlling virtually all assets, with the vast majority toiling away at subsistence wages.

    Either that, or one helluva “Day of Reckoning.”

  96. Corvinus says:
    @Ron Unz

    Saying there are strong suspicions, nor saying there is a pretty good chance, nor saying there are several coincidences, means it actually happened. The problem is that increasing numbers of people are now lead to believe unequivocally that it WAS a developed as a bioweapon. And, of course, those same people will thrown in the C.I.A. or Jews as an added bonus. In other words, good old fashioned confirmation bias fans the flame of conspiracy theory.

  97. @Ron Unz

    I’ve noticed Ron doesn’t actually name these pro-Israel commentators. I’ve been pointing out Ron’s fifth columnist activities for years and I am anti-Israel and extremely skeptical of jewish political power. A reminder for all Ron is himself 100 percent Jewish. As far as we know. Unz like Obama had a “free-spirit” mother.

    The derailing of Prop 187 effectively unleashed open borders policy on the US. It is the genesis for sanctuary cities and drivers licenses for illegals. The deep states point man- until Pete Wilson delivered a complete political thrashing- was none other than Ron Unz. Who were two of his biggest allies- deep state icons William Bennett and Jack Kemp.

    My Old Right grandpa was onto Ron early and though he lacked Steve’s ability for aphorisms like invite the world invade the world- he always warned about a certain species of globalist that was never able to stop any american invasion but was always able to invite the world in. Ron was always his example of this par excellence.

    • Replies: @Lot
  98. Alice says:
    @PiltdownMan

    Of course theyre good! this thing comes from droplets, not hanging in the air. Barriers work.

  99. @Twinkie

    Or we could agree to stop selling arms to Taiwan. In exchange, mainland China would sell the US what we need: masks, medicines, etc.

  100. @Ron Unz

    “On the internet I’m a 5’4″ 110 lb blonde with 36 C’s.”

    A woman wrote that to me in 2004. None of it was true, but that’s what her profile showed, and that’s what she pretended to be. She was honest with me about the sham, for some reason, but I would run across many others who weren’t so honest.

    In gaming there was a saying for girl gamers, “Show your tits or GTFO.” This wasn’t a misogynist reaction to an actual female playing, it was a reaction to so many guys pretending to be girls just to psyche out the typically juvenile males playing with them.

    The point is that anybody can pretend to be anything on the internet.

    I skimmed through the article mentioned, and I thought back to just the two points I mentioned above.

    There’s also Saigon Bob. Bob used to hangout and smoke cigars with us at a local tobacco store that had a coffee counter, one with a genuine Italian espresso machine. He wore his camo, and had endless lies about his Special Forces adventures in Vietnam. He worked as a cook at two restaurants, and brought us treats all the time, and was a genuinely friendly, good-hearted person, so we just laughed at his lies. They were good lies, with lots of detail, and may have fooled some people for a time. Trouble is that Bob’s mouth was five times too big to have ever taken part in any of it, and that’s what exposed him, that and the way he was then living. If he HAD done those things, and talked so freely about them, I doubt he would have been able to walk around and breathe for as long as he did, and perhaps still does.

    This guy could by like Bob. Of course, he could also be the real deal. If he is the real deal, and he suspected his country of being involved in bio-warfare for the purpose of trade – which is unimaginable to me – would he choose to write an article and have it published on a site like Unz? It’s not like the alphabet agencies couldn’t track him down from this.

  101. Anonymous[216] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    I don’t believe in coincidences. I certainly don’t believe in multiple linked coincidences.

    In October 2019 Johns Hopkins Center for Health and Security ran a very Deep State connected *invitation-only* event co-sponsored by Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, JHU CHS, et al., to run scenarios regarding a pandemic outbreak.

    http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/scenario.html

    Event 201 simulates an outbreak of a novel zoonotic coronavirus transmitted from bats to pigs to people that eventually becomes efficiently transmissible from person to person, leading to a severe pandemic. The pathogen and the disease it causes are modeled largely on SARS, but it is more transmissible in the community setting by people with mild symptoms…

    … There is no possibility of a vaccine being available in the first year. There is a fictional antiviral drug that can help the sick but not significantly limit spread of the disease…

    Regarding the fictional antiviral drug not significantly limiting the spread, I guess we now know why NBC, CNN, NYT, WP, and the rest of the Deep State scribes have been saying Trump is giving false hope re: hydroxychloroquine.

    Regarding the bat origin, well, I first noticed, and was very suspicious of, this narrative of Chinese eating bats, bat soup, etc., and my BS detector started to register because of the the conspicuously coordinated narrative on this. I suspected Western intelligence sources might be behind it and not for some animal rights agenda. The widely disseminated bat soup video which went viral on social media and broadcast on Tucker, Laura, Hannity, Fox News, MSNBC, CNN, et al., was not even filmed in China but in Palau, another country far from China. Then I read stuff where residents of Wuhan, a modern city, were like, WTF, I’ve *never* heard of anyone eating bats, etc.

    https://jobs.cdc.gov/job/dallas/public-health-advisor-quarantine-program/250/14136286

    Regarding this federal government job posting on USAJobs.gov for CDC quarantine directors the month before the outbreak in China, did they think something was going to happen? CDC just happens to be looking for quarantine directors for every city/region in the U.S. and its territories the month before the outbreak? 🧐

  102. Alice says:
    @RichardTaylor

    the problem is the states that are the grasshoppers get bailed out by people like us. Maybe not at a local level of taking your masks or ground beef, but at the world finance level of destroying the economy to save California from its lack of medical supplies, just like its lack of power or water infrastructure.

    So maybe the US govt should require states to stockpile instead of spending on solar panels on each house or bullet trains to nowhere..

  103. JMcG says:
    @Hadoren

    The Boeing produced masks would likely spontaneously dive off your face and into the ground. But only if worn by Indonesians or Ethiopians.

    • LOL: kaganovitch
  104. A123 says:

    It is not an either-or choice. Both decisions are situationally correct.
    _____

    In an American grocery story you push a huge cart and so does everyone else. Even at checkout the goods go down a belt to a cashier while you wait by a pay station. It is pretty easy to maintain a good 5 foot separation.

    In the U.S. the #1 risk is touching a contaminated surface. Hand sanitizer is the correct answer.
    _____

    In more compressed urban, typical asian, settings having someone cough directly on your skin is a much larger issue.

    In Taiwan, masks are the correct answer.
    _____

    Now if someone can explain the TP panic….. I do not know of any way a three year supply of TP can help. However, we can fix this problem. Share the image below. 😅

    PEACE 😷
    _______

  105. @J.Ross

    Might be worth reiterating the point that N95s should of course first go to professionals, but there is benefit in ordinary masks, since they protect others from your germs, they remind you not to touch your face, and they create a little room of humidity for your orifices.

    Exactly. The geeky Asians are spot on, on this.

    It’s ridiculous to me that we’re taking all these “shut it down” measures, and yet Americans aren’t wearing masks. Isn’t this a respiratory illness? I’d guess that most of the transmission is just breathing in the air that some infected person has spewed out.

    Three measures:
    — Sick people stay home–unwelcome in public
    — Everyone wears a mask in public spaces.
    — Wash hands thoroughly when back from public.
    And replication ratio would be < 1.

    I've been wearing one of these simple disposable masks–from my local Evergreen health clinic–on the plane for the last couple of years. (Two layers of some fabric. String over the ears. Wire over the nose.) It's not a panacea, but it radically reduces the chance of breathing in some fellow passenger's airborne virus laden droplets. And actually it is the *same* mask. It sits in velcro'd pocket in the Costco zipoffs that i travel in. At least a week between flights the viruses should be dead.

    You could get by with everyone say 10 of these "disposables" and the protocol would be get home toss it in a bucket of bleach. Take the day's catch out in the evening and let them air dry. You can use 'em again when dry. Seriously, I'd think 10 of 'em per person could do the trick.

    If people want something fancy or stylish, maybe all these young women now at home from their utterly non-essential "careers" could try using a sewing machine. Make themselves–and their boyfriends–a bunch of surgical masks. A couple layers of cotton in whatever jazzy looking fabric they like.

    I'm not all that super-worried about this health wise. It could kick my ass–likely–or even kill me–some small chance. Extremely unlikely to kill my kids. So far most stuff i read even from "devastated" places like Italy boils down to "grandpa killer." Or more precisely–old sick grandpa killer.

    I'm on board with taking "we're all in this together" harsh measures, but those measures are a complete joke if we aren't doing the most obvious measure of all for a respiratory disease–mask up!

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  106. What the hell happened to “yankee know-how”?

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  107. @anon

    Let it rip if you provide everyone with hydroxichloriquine, z packs, and face masks for a month and a half. And also force the elderly to self-isolate.

    If we let it rip without those measures a crazy amount of Americans (those with high blood pressure, who are overweight, and with diabetes) over 45 will die. You prepared to deal with the fallout of that? People will be furious, some areas will be affected worse than others (particularly ghettos) and there will be major social upheaval.

    Not to mention the effect that the hospital crisis will have on women giving birth, old people having heart trouble, kids having run of the mill asthma attacks, people not getting access to prescriptions for bacterial infections (z packs are already running low around here).

    In short, it is a disaster. I did not think it would be looking at data from about a month ago but we are more likely to end up with a trajectory closer to Italy’s than South Korea’s or even Germany’s. I no longer trust the numbers from China whatsoever.

    Out of my entire extended family unfortunately my husband and I are some of the few adults of normal BMI without major underlying conditions. Personal choices about health aside, I don’t want to see them all get horrifically intubated and/or die of this stupid Wuhan flu.

    Looking at stories of cases in Louisiana and Mississippi it seems people who are even mildly overweight or “husky” are getting seriously ill if they are middle-aged or older. There are 14 deaths and 500 + cases in Louisiana right now.

    Despite higher rates of smoking, Italians are probably a bit healthier than Americans.

  108. Anonymous[998] • Disclaimer says:

    Back in the day, most of the UK’s ready to wear garments were manufactured in the East End of London – that industry, like most of UK industry has, of course, disappeared, displaced by China.
    On the fringes of the East End garment trade were the ‘Rag Pickers’, and occupation which, basically, disposed of all of the UK’s old clothes, linen, curtains, sheets, and any other redundant textiles. The trade specialised in sorting and grading. Clothing of good enough condition was sold on to the second hand trade. Stuff beyond use was sorted, laundered and cleaned at high temperature and used as ‘industrial cleaning rags’. Old cotton was particularly sought after to be used in the highest quality writing paper and for bank notes. The rest of the rubbish was shredded up for various industrial fibre uses.
    The point is that an abundant supply of linen, cotton etc, good enough to use in masks – once autoclaved, laundered and treated with disinfectant, is there – and most probably, these days, used for landfill.

  109. A123 says:
    @Ron Unz

    I’ve never claimed that there was any solid evidence that Coronavirus was a bioweapon—let alone 97% likely!—and have always emphasized that the case was entirely circumstantial.

    I concur that natural occurrence is the most likely underlying source of WUHAN-19.

    … if it *were* a bioweapon, an accidental release seems extremely implausible due to the timing, just before Lunar New Year, which was exceptionally bad for China:

    Actually, just the opposite:

    If it came from a lab, the Wuhan lab is almost certainly the source:

    —- When do Chinese workers need money? Just before a holiday for train tickets and presents.
    —- When did the release happen? Just before a major holiday.

    It would only take one poorly paid Wuhan lab employee to create this mess by misappropriation of contaminated material or equipment. It could easily be a janitor or building maitenance, not scientific staff.

    Therefore the timing and location is very strong circumstantial evidence that:
    — The Wuhan lab is the source.
    — The CCP did not release WUHAN-19 intentionally.
    _____

    Again, natural causes us the most likely source. However if this came from a lab, which is more likely:

    -A- One or two poorly educated, financially stressed individuals made a very bad decision. That decision released the WUHAN-19 virus locally.

    -B- Multiple people conspired against multiple governments to transport dangerous material and then released it. The conspiracy deliberately hoped to create an international WMD incident that could result in planetary impact, possibly even nuclear war.

    Case A is much more plausible than Case B.

    PEACE 😷

  110. RW says:
    @Anonymous

    The city of Qom, just 100 miles from Tehran, was the centre of the outbreak in Iran. And commenter JUSA had a good observation on how it might have innocently got its start there:

    “Iranians love their hookah. Sharing hookah is a major way to spread disease, including influenza. There are a lot of Chinese workers in Iran, helping to build their infrastructure, paid for by China’s loan/money paid to Iran to buy their oil. I read somewhere that there are Chinese migrant workers near Qom, the center of the outbreak. What are the chances an infected worker visited one of these hookah bars? Probably pretty high. Chinese men also love to smoke, esp. among the less educated.”

    The Wu-flu seems to be most dangerous for the high and mighty anywhere in the world, as airplanes are a risk, as is being highly social.

  111. @Anon

    The problem with masks is that they are traditionally used once per patient and discarded. Under current circumstances a ridiculous number would have to have been stockpiled, since medical workers would need 20 a day and normal citizens maybe 2 or more a day. And there is no end in sight, and factories will be closed unless you also stockpiled automated humanless factories. The government could not possibly have prepared for this, even if this particular exact disaster and its specific needs were known in advance.

    Oh please. Stop this “oh it’s all too much” nonsense.

    You don’t need to gold plate everything. Three masks per person–one you’re wearing, one in the bleach bucket, one drying out–could cover it.

    But even if that wasn’t the case, you just do what’s necessary. If you need a factories that can scale up to 300 million masks a day–you build them as a national security matter. Ditto anti-biotics. Ditto anti-virals. Ditto … whatever it is that would be relevant. We’ve spent trillions on weapons system that we don’t actually intend to use in war. Trillions on having a nuclear weapons that are intended precisely to never be used. We’re ready if it should come to pass …

    Nothing about this was unforeseen. This one is corona virus–oh we’ve never seen that before!–and kills mostly old people. LOL. This is actually so “per spec” it’s ridiculous.

    No this is simple. The globalist establishment was not even remotely ready for even the most obvious byproduct of their borderless globo-homo utopia–pandemic.

    Truth: our globo-goons are not just evil but grossly incompete.

    • Agree: utu, Kylie, James Speaks
    • Replies: @Jack D
  112. @Anonymous

    SO did americans suffer after infecting the world with aids and the american mexican swine flu, go after china and it might come down to ww3

  113. Amid the mask mania I’m surprised there hasn’t been more discussion about disposable gloves — do they help, which kinds might work best, proper way to take them off, do we have enough, and so on. When I go into the store now I’m more focused on what I might touch rather than what might be floating around in the air.

  114. It’s because hand sanitizer is already a thing Americans did before and masks are something weird foreigners do.

  115. @The Last Real Calvinist

    I am not knocking masks, which may very well be helpful. But you should realize that your perception that masks are helpful in Hong Kong is confirmation bias. You see people wearing masks, and you imagine a theoretical more widespread outbreak, and your mind associates the two things, but unless you can point to really well-designed research, that association is imaginary.

    Masks should be dealt with as though they are infectious fomites. They should be changed when social or environmental circumstances change–probably at least 5-6 times per day for most people.

  116. @Reg Cæsar

    AUSTRALIAN COWARDS IN WW2MALAYSIA BROUT DOWN THE BRITISH EMPIRE HOORAY- I’m pretty sure your incel butt got rejected by all chinese, korean, and japanese women.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  117. I think one possible answer to why we are not falling all over ourselves to take our allies’ masks is that the “mask shortage” is a media creation. For example, it may be that within government circles of people who need to know, they know that mask production is being ramped up and will be adequate by the time hospitals are full of sick people (they are not now, and I suspect health care mask shortage is a theoretical thing right now and not a current problem–I was in the hospital a few days ago and everyone had surgical masks on–no local shortage). It may just be that this information is not being communicated well. That’s just speculation though.

    But really, there is no reason we need Taiwanese masks. Surgical masks are not hard to produce. I’m sure we are capable of doing it if we are not already increasing production or preparing to increase production.

    • Replies: @anonguy
  118. @SimpleSong

    Some of the non disposables can be wiped down with bleach, but the ones that are meant to be disposable will start to break down if you bleach them or autoclave them or whatever . So reusing these results in carrying around a little virus cake.

    The “disposable” i have from the local health clinic has held up very well for a over a year. I would not wash it directly but it’s been through the wash a couple times inadvertently in my pants pocket.

    Normal cold and flu viruses–and i’d assume this one–do not survive on clothing for long periods of time. Hard surfaces with a greasy film maybe they can go longer–several days. I don’t believe my mask is “a little virus cake” … except when i put it on and go out.

    I’ll try bleaching it and see what happens. But i think even these disposables–used in rotation–could be useful for weeks.

    And, of course, simply making masks from a couple layers of some fabric–bingo. You’ve got something you can toss in the wash.

  119. @AnonAnon

    ‘AUSTRALIAN COWARDS BROUGHT DOWN BRITISH EMPIRE yeah’ UUH china ain’t no banana republic .

  120. @George

    That’s a good question.

    First, there was the Chinese doctor in Wuhan who discovered COVID-19, warned the government, was persecuted by the government but kept treating his patient, then got sick and eventually died. The CCP has subsequently apologized to his family for its treatment of him. He could have been a poster child, but he died too long ago to be an effective news story in the USA.

    Recently, there was a baby-faced quasi-hispanic-looking guy–cancer survivor and asthmatic–who died after going to Disneyland. He should be the new poster child because he probably died an unnecessary death–the hospital sent him home to decline at home rather than treating him despite his history of asthma. Stupid mistake, unnecessary death.
    https://www.orlandoweekly.com/Blogs/archives/2020/03/19/man-dies-of-coronavirus-after-visiting-walt-disney-world-and-universal-orlando

  121. People could make their own masks out of cloth. The reason so many people are making their own hand sanitizer but few are making their own masks is that a lot of people want to use hand sanitizer but very few want to wear a mask. Masks are inconvenient, uncomfortable, and look ridiculous. Hand sanitizer has none of these drawbacks.

    Arguably, people SHOULD wear masks but most won’t. Steve, you’re supposed to notice things. You’re overthinking this.

  122. Disaster at Xichang
    An eyewitness speaks publicly for the first time about history’s worst launch accident

    https://www.airspacemag.com/history-of-flight/disaster-at-xichang-2873673/

  123. gregor says:
    @James Speaks

    We are supposedly the world superpower but we have to beg Asia to give us basic medical supplies. What a joke.

    • Agree: Ron Unz
  124. Lot says:
    @Sam Haysom

    I don’t think Unz is a fifth columnist so much as had a mental breakdown after he came in 14th place when he ran for Senate in 2016 and his Harvard overseers run was a disaster, and subsequent lawsuit also a loser. That and hitting old age alone and isolated. In the 1990s he was a big deal and people were interested in him, now he’s not.

    The existing slice of the population that was into the kooky but patriotic Art Bell in the 1990s has migrated to the Internet, and been taken advantage of by “spread chaos and destabilize” propaganda by Russia, China, and Iran. Unz took advantage of this subsidized free content from people like Giraldi, Saker, and Godfree Roberts in order to increase readers to his site. It was low hanging fruit, as MSM and even normal conservative sites don’t run them.

    People shouldn’t forget the same Russia/China/Iran sources don’t just fund right wing nutballs like you see here, but viciously anti-white and anti-American left wing propaganda. The funded BLM, Nation of Islam, pro-Chavez/Maduro dictatorship propaganda. Unz initially ignored them but now runs this type too along with his stable of Hitlerfans.

    • Replies: @Sam Haysom
  125. @Lot

    I’m being somewhat tongue in cheek and channeling Giraldi. Of course Unz probably isn’t a deep state asset he was just a useful idiot that people like Kemp used- filling his head with illusions of being the first nerd caudillo. But sometimes goosing the gander can get the gander to dial it back.

    I’d say they spend a lot more money on BLM activities. The far-right blame America first brigades are somewhat self organizing. They love bitching online but really get rattled by any kind push back so it’s just a matter of creating a few online echo chambers to signal boost.

    That said Ron’s behavior during Kung Flu has been particularily unhinged- I’m not sure just old age bitterness is driving it.

  126. Jack D says:
    @SimpleSong

    Vacuum cleaner bags filter better than cloth but are harder to breath thru.

  127. botazefa says:
    @Mr McKenna

    I’m not seeing it either.

  128. botazefa says:
    @vhrm

    I want to see hospitals posting bed census info daily – we’ll see if there really is a bed shortage. Probably nowadays that info is classified – gee thanks Bush/Obama.

    As for the ventilator shortage – the real problem wpuld be lack of respiratory techs to run the ventilators. Mike Pence keeps talking about how we have plenty of ventilators, but he must certainly know that doesn’t matter when there aren’t enough RT’s.

  129. Kronos says:
    @anonymous

    Considering that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was studying precisely this kind of virus and the possibility of zoonotic transmission to humans (possibly with some other mammal as an intermediary) suggests that it’s much more likely that the Wuhan Institute of Virology had an accidental leak, or that the wet markets facilitated the kind of zoonotic transmission their research anticipated.

    Then again, that would be a great place to release a US bioweapon. China can be either blamed for poor safety protocols and/or allowing a food cesspool (wet markets) to naturally create this virus. Regardless, blame and criticism is leveled against China.

    I recall the gas bombings supposedly blamed on the Assad government a few years ago. Contemporary evidence largely dismisses them as responsible and with the rebels being the main culprits.

    • Agree: Ron Unz, Daniel Chieh
    • Replies: @Sam Haysom
    , @Anonymous
  130. a new Greatest Ally(TM) emerges!

  131. @Kronos

    No pro-Russian trolls asserted that the rebels were responsible. There is no evidence that anyone but Assad loyalists ordered those attacks. If you are willing to lie about something this peripheral and this insignificant what aren’t you willing to lie about. The blame America first amen corner is just like those unctuous Zionist shills albeit 20 years older with 10 points less IQ, and signs of dementia.

    This is China’s fault and China is rightfully going to feel the worlds wrath.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @J.Ross
    , @Kronos
  132. Blahblah says:

    Steve,
    What’s your take on the Indian and Russian numbers? They have massive populations and little virus. That could be due to a lack of testing, but deaths have been low so far. Could not be reporting that either.

  133. BenKenobi says:
    @Mr McKenna

    Don’t give me that disingenuous crap.

    I’m not in a town. I live in a major cosmopolitan core full of globetrotting demographics that are allegedly vectors for this thing. People should be dropping like flies according to what I’ve heard through “electronic communications “ from the “broader world.”

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  134. Dennis Dale says: • Website
    @Anon

    The moral: People die. That’s what is meant by “mortal.” A bunch of us are going to die this year.

    “we live in a society, Grandpa”

  135. UK says:
    @Ron Unz

    What I have repeatedly stated is that if it *were* a bioweapon, an accidental release seems extremely implausible due to the timing, just before Lunar New Year, which was exceptionally bad for China:

    That isn’t what you wrote….it is just what you’ve persuaded yourself that you wrote.

    Also, how would it appearing 2 months before a single event make it implausible as an accident? There’s a 1 in 6 chance of that and, of course, if it were released 3 months before you’d say the same thing. Or, let’s be honest, you’d rationalise 4 months before too.

    It if it were prevalent around another major event you’d link it to that. Or link it to anything at all to further your very bizarre beliefs

    This is the problem with crazies. A lovely old American lady sat next to me at the beach recently and started doing numerology on me uninvited. It is obviously something she had developed into in age. It seemed to be a way to connect, relieve her anxieties and almost like a repeating glitch in her brain. Your circular rationales for tilting at windmills feel like the masculine version of this.

  136. Jack D says:
    @AnotherDad

    Bleach will destroy the mask. There are some reports that you can sterilize masks in a 160F oven for 30 minutes. This leaves the filtering capability of a N95 mask 95+% intact. This makes a lot of sense in that 160F is not hot enough to damage paper or cloth but microorganisms that are evolved to live at mammal body temperature can’t take a lot of heat before they die.

    http://www.imcclinics.com/english/index.php/news/view?id=83

    160F is approximately the “keep warm” setting on your oven or the lowest setting on the dial. If your oven’s lowest setting is 170 or 180 that’s probably fine too – the virus will die even faster but it’s still not hot enough to degrade paper in 30 mins. Figure out how often you like to change your mask, get a 1 day supply and each evening lay them out on the rack and sterilize them all for 30 min and now you have a sterile supply for the next day.

    For places like hospitals, you can label everyone’s masks so they only get back their own and bulk sterilize them. Hospitals have gotten way too dependent on everything being disposable so that you have to ship in vast quantities of disposable goods every day.

    But your basic point that acting like we are TOTALLY helpless in this is ridiculous. Our society has gotten way too soft and dependent on everything being shipped in from China. We used to be known for our “Yankee ingenuity” (and Yankee thrift). We used to be known for making stuff. That capability is not dead, it is just dormant because it was easier, cheaper and more convenient to just keep shipping in boatloads of crap from China. Time to wake up from our slumber. It’s not too late.

    • Agree: vhrm
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    , @Mr. Anon
  137. HA says:
    @Ron Unz

    “What I have repeatedly stated is that if it *were* a bioweapon, an accidental release seems extremely implausible due to the timing, just before Lunar New Year, which was exceptionally bad for China”

    Implausible, you say? Flu season begins in and around September precisely because children return to enclosed classrooms and start swapping germs with each other. This thing began somewhere around November, but possibly earlier. How is that implausible in any way? Yeah, the lunar New Year is a good time for swapping germs too, but again, that hardly makes it implausible. Earlier, you implied all this took place at “a peak of Sino-American international tensions”, but if tensions are so peaked, why are 300 US military officers allowed to stroll around bio-lab territory like Wuhan in the first place, without being closely monitored? Is that kind of thing allowed in, say North Korea? Do 300 US military officers get to parade around Tehran by way of a photo-op? So something doesn’t add up.

    Moreover, the genetic sequence of the virus has been published by Chinese scientists (and German scientists used that to make tests, so presumably the sequence is legit). Those who have studied it so far see no evidence of the telltale bad-Photoshop shifting between the coronavirus sequence and the related strains found in horseshoe bats/civets/ferrets pangolin that would indicate doctoring or lab-work. True, these so-called “scientists” could all be deep-state agents, of course, including the ones in China and Germany who have had a chance to look at it, and the labwork could be so good that it was undetectable (I guess they keep the machine that does that right behind the super-grade-military thermite that took out the World Trade Center), but if that’s your play, why not blame the extraterrestrial scientists who built the pyramids with their super-duper ancient technology?

    And if you must insist on a bio-terrorism conspiracy, why aren’t the Iranians also at the top of your list? After all, bomb-makers get blown up and dirtied up by their contraptions all the time. Or the North Koreans? Again, something doesn’t add up though it’s clearly a good way to get additional clicks (but US and Chinese). That seems like the best explanation behind all this.

    • Replies: @utu
  138. Ron Unz says:

    I’ve browsed around lots of “controversial” comment-threads over the twenty years, and quickly noticed something that probably many others have also discovered.

    Such online discussions tend to attract lots of different participants, and among there are a certain smattering of fanatic Jewish-activist types, basically hard-core Neocons.

    Now for obvious reasons, these individuals tend to conceal their true identity, and do their best to blend in with the prevalent ideology, thereby retaining their influence on matters actually important to them. As chameleons, they’re fiercely “racist” on a “racist” website, fiercely “anti-racist” on an “anti-racist” website, and so forth. There’s a widespread “Fellow White People” meme that partly reflects this.

    Longtime iSteve commenters will remember how the ridiculous claims of a fanatic Jewish commenter (found on this very thread!) that he was “Scots-Irish” led to years of using “Scots-Irish” as a humorous euphemism for “Jewish.”

    Those Jewish-fanatic types aren’t particularly smart, knowledgeable, or well-spoken. But one thing that does distinguish them is their sheer fanaticism. If someone politely raises a few factual points that challenge something deeply important to them, they go into “berserker mode,” shrieking and spitting and making the wildest sort of ridiculous accusations instead of calmly disputing the matter with facts or analysis.

    Such “Jewish berserker” behavior is entirely different in character from what I’ve seen in the (relatively few) Gentile Christian Zionists who frequent these comment-threads. WNs also tend to behave in an entirely different manner. As I’ve sometimes joked, certain types of commenting behavior are almost as revealing as a DNA test.

    On this thread, I merely calmly pointed out some of the circumstantial evidence suggesting that the Coronavirus outbreak may have been a biowarfare attack against China (and Iran) by the Deep State Neocons. I also noted that a 40-year veteran expert of American biodefense had come to similar conclusions.

    The shrieking and spitting this elicited from certain commenters both tends to reveal their true identity, and may also increase the circumstantial evidence that my analysis is correct.

    • Agree: utu, Bill Jones
  139. Mr. Anon says:
    @Sam Haysom

    There is no evidence that anyone but Assad loyalists ordered those attacks.

    And that evidence is?

  140. @Jack D

    Thanks Jack. Good info on sterilization. I’ll try the oven thing and see how it holds up. It will be a guess about how the filtering holds up–essentially the level of “virus love” retained. But it sounds like low heat was least destructive.

  141. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jack D

    UV sterilization could be used too. You are right that hospitals need to figure out ways of reducing their consumables, not just for this crisis but longterm.

    • Replies: @vhrm
  142. Muggles says:
    @Ron Unz

    >>The shrieking and spitting this elicited from certain commenters both tends to reveal their true identity, and may also increase the circumstantial evidence that my analysis is correct.<<

    As much as I admire Mr. Unz for his hosting this site and allowing the practice of free speech (even by nutballs, which is part and parcel of that) correlation isn't causation as he surely knows.

    "Circumstantial" evidence in science is only the starting point of actual science. Observations are made (gee, look at how my lab mistake killed off these bacteria, again and again) and then must be followed up by careful experiments. Much of actual science education is about how to conduct valid experiments, why this is crucial, how to evaluate results, etc.

    Epidemiology is a scientific discipline now about 200 years old, more or less. Lots of math, very tedious. Like actuarial science, not many do it but those who do tend to be real numbers crunchers and quite smart. There mere bald "fact" that "this is located here and that is there and then this occurred" isn't even circumstantial evidence. It isn't falsifiable.

    In US courts you can be convicted based upon circumstantial evidence alone. It is rare and there must be a large amount of it, to the extent that "guilt" is the most probable and nearly only possible explanation. We see dinosaur footprints in ancient rock and find bones. No one has ever actually seen one, but the circumstantial evidence is there.

    For the Chinese corona virus, all of the "theories" are just fictional accounts of what might have happened, highly unlikely. No educated epidemiologist to my knowledge has advocated any of these nutty theories. Unless they are on the CCP payroll (maybe). Even there, the CCP Party Line hasn't been pushed by actual independent scientists. Nor has any of their data been verified outside of China. Why trust them any more than any other government? An odd thing we now see from some American libertarians and skeptics.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  143. @Jack D

    Thanks Jack.

    AnotherMom has been stitching together some prototypes and had sent me this link with a similar list:

    https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/best-materials-make-diy-face-mask-virus/

    • Thanks: Kylie
  144. utu says:
    @HA

    “if tensions are so peaked, why are 300 US military officers allowed to stroll around bio-lab territory like Wuhan in the first place” – Would you claim that 1940 and early 1941 extensive cooperation between Germany and USSR indicated no tensions between the two countries and the subsequent attack on June 22, 1941 on the USSR came about just because one day Hitler got up on the wrong side of the bed? Is this the depth of your political thinking or rather you have no scruples to say any nonsense just to score a rhetorical point?

    Or [why not] the North Koreans? – Perhaps because RU has integrity unlike the opportunist neocon David Frum who had no qualms about inserting North Korea into his Axis of Evil as a decoy to mask the obvious Zionist intentions and designs behind the war with Iraq. Did you do a lot of protesting about North Korea after 2002 GWB’s State of the Union address?

    • Replies: @HA
  145. @Ron Unz

    Mr. Unz should have been paying more attention to where the deep end was, because unfortunately he’s ended up going off of it.

  146. ATBOTL says:

    To be clear I agree with the East Asian mask consensus and not with the CDC/WHO consensus that only Health-Care Professionals need them, but that is besides the point because our Health Care Professionals do not even have enough.

    This is not just about scarcity, there is an ideological aspect to this as well. There seems to be a deep hostility in the establishment to distributing resources directly to the people. It’s not just that they don’t have enough masks for everyone now, they don’t want people who are not part of some privileged caste to have masks ever. We need to delve deeper into this phenomenon.

  147. @Ron Unz

    I’ve noticed that when you corner a Jewish person often times they start kvetching as they say (Unz grew up speaking Yiddish) which is really just a kind of panicked, desperate weaponized deflection. No one here had a more stereotypical shtetl (albeit tax payer dole financed) upbringing than Ron. I’m a mayflower descendant since Ron wants to play this game.

    Ron has yet to offer any substantive response to the repeated eviscerations of his frankly laughable US BioWar hypothesis. Just claims that he’s being hunted by shadowy Zionists.

    Exculpating Chinese from responsibility seems pretty near and dear to Ron’s heart. In my experience there are two reasons Jews start kvetching. Back to blood indeed.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @utu
  148. Masks are most powerful thing the government could do to fight the virus – besides expressing out loud that they know that it hits some places bad and other places not so bad – and they just need us to stay home to buy time so they can study the differences and make our cases like the not-so-bad.

    There’s a part of me that hopes that they are already all over it, but they want to avoid worsening the rush on masks by not telling people they are all over it, because if they told us they were doing that, that would confirm in people’s minds that masks work and temporarily worsen the problem with more of a rush on masks.

    If they are waiting until they’ve already succeeded and ramped up 10-20 million mask production per day to announce it, I’d cough it up (no pun intended) to a judgment call and forgive them.

    If they aren’t even committing precious government resources to the one most powerful thing that could clobber the spread of infection by stopping those with it from spreading it and those without it from touching their faces after touching infected surfaces and catching it … it’s neigh unforgivable.

  149. Mr. Anon says:
    @Mr McKenna

    Yes, but that commenter isn’t out in the boonies. He’s in Vancouver – a large cosmopolitan city with a lot of Chinese people; according to Wiki, Vancouver International Airport has more direct flights to China than any other airport in North America.

  150. J1234 says:

    I haven’t checked lately – how are the supplies of isopropyl alcohol on store shelves? I bought half a dozen bottles of it a few weeks ago when there was still plenty. (No, I didn’t buy the last of what they had.) Really no need to make hand sanitizer, IMO. You just rub the alcohol on your hands, then use lubriderm or some other good lotion immediately afterwards (needs to be your own personal-use lotion so it isn’t contaminated by others.) I haven’t done this yet because we still have plenty of sanitizer, which we use a lot less than soap and water because it’s apparently somewhat less effective than washing.

    We have a couple of dozen N-95’s, some of which I admittedly bought at inflated prices, but it’s way too early to start using them. Our city of a quarter million has only had one confirmed case as of yesterday…a guy who had been to Colorado (skiing maybe?) I think latex gloves will soon be another hard to get item, if they aren’t already.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @vhrm
  151. @BenKenobi

    I’m still not seeing it. Why is everyone acting like next week we’re all gonna be in our own live-action version of The Road?

    Other than a day or two of panic buying and the lack of paper products on the shelves here I’m not really seeing it yet. Northern NJ is a mix of whites, Squatemalans, and Pajeets. There are plenty of elderly, retired whites out at the grocery store that aren’t taking any special precautions – no masks or gloves.

    I am more concerned about effects from the economic fallout than the virus affecting my personal health. If the shutdown drags on more than a month, I can easily picture widespread mugging, looting, and home invasion robberies conducted by angry, desperate people that lost their jobs and have next to no prospect of future employment.

  152. @epebble

    With a “defense” budget larger than next 10 countries combined, we are being exposed as a naked giant.

    I spent almost two decades working in the defense electronics industry.

    At best, I’d estimate that 50% of every US defense dollar spent is consumed by wasteful inefficiency, red tape, incompetence, turnbacks, or outright fraud.

  153. ATBOTL says:
    @Ron Unz

    I take pride in the fact that I identified Whiskey as a single commentator back when his comments on Steve’s blog were anonymous. I dubbed him “long winded neocon” while critiquing one of his silly posts, probably one defending the Iraq war or something like that. He started calling himself “Whiskey” to avoid the “long winded neocon” epithet that stuck on his distinctive posts.

    Such “Jewish berserker” behavior is entirely different in character from what I’ve seen in the (relatively few) Gentile Christian Zionists who frequent these comment-threads.

    There have been very few of those types here. They tend to be poorly educated people who are anti-science and who conform to general stereotypes about evangelical fundamentalists. If you go to places where they are in charge, like Free Republic, you will see extremely violent and blood thirsty language from Christian Zionists as well as fanatical self-righteousness and messianic delusions of grandeur in their writing style.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  154. Jack D says:
    @Sam Haysom

    So you’re sayin’ the Joos dun it?

  155. @RichardTaylor

    The Life Care Center of Kirkland. should be analyzed more. If I understand correctly, they only had 120 residents and 33 died. That’s shockingly huge.

    Here is a simple list of their services:

    https://lcca.com/locations/wa/kirkland/services

    Even though hospice care is not listed, the services they do provide indicate a patient demographic that is generally not in robust health. I would really, really want to see a detailed list of comorbidities/underlying conditions those people had.

    Then again, you have the recent Bloomberg claim that almost one-third of Corona cases in the US are in the 20-44 age range:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-19/coronavirus-in-young-people-is-it-dangerous-data-show-it-can-be

    Ultimately, at present, the fundamental problem is the lack of consistent, high-quality data that is publicly available. What is available is either low-quality, inconsistent, or not publicly available.

    The lack of quality data is a direct outcome of the ‘woke,’ equalist religion. A problem cannot be effectively addressed until it is understood and discussed in clear, realistic terms.

    As we all know, there is nothing clear or realistic about our woke betters because its the Current Year and that is just not Who They Are.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  156. utu says:
    @Sam Haysom

    “I’m a mayflower descendant…” and you are 100% WASP:

    https://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/stand-up-for-indiana/#comment-913729
    Nope 100 percent WASP. My ancestors almost certainly lamented the wave of migration that brought yours here.

    but your ancestors were German and converted to Catholicism:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/making-the-statue-of-liberty-cry/#comment-3393138
    Until Stephen F Austin’s father was granted impresario rights “white” settlement was forbidden and all Anglo settlers were required to convert to Catholicism.

    For some reason my German ancestors actually did rather than just fake it.

    And you grew up in Belgium and lived next to big time diamond dealer:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/pit-bulls/#comment-2451532
    My family lived next to a big time diamond dealer in Waterloo who had three Rottweilers for protection.

    • LOL: Ron Unz, eugyppius
    • Replies: @Sam Haysom
    , @eugyppius
  157. Anonymous[232] • Disclaimer says:

    In the first World War, Britain had to import the khaki dye used to stain British army informs from Germany, under ‘special licence’. Such was pre 1914 Britain’s committment to ‘free trade’ dogma that this situation developed.
    Ironically, aniline dye were discovered in the UK.

  158. Jehu says:
    @John Cunningham

    The wife made 12 such masks yesterday with her sewing machine. There’s plenty of mask crafting potential available in the USA

  159. J.Ross says:
    @Sam Haysom

    This is just easily checked lying.

  160. anon[281] • Disclaimer says:
    @J1234

    I haven’t checked lately – how are the supplies of isopropyl alcohol on store shelves?

    Pretty much gone. Liquor stores still have Everclear (190 proof, so 95% ethyl alcohol) right next to the vodka, though.

  161. @Ron Unz

    The head of the USSR’s germ warfare programs defected to the US when he became convinced the US did not have an offensive germ warfare program.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Alibek

  162. Lot says:
    @Ron Unz

    “ spitting and making the wildest sort of ridiculous accusations”

    Taking autistic lack of self-awareness to new levels!

    Unz’s two big “Hot!” articles are by, first “Metallicman” whose website says the US military implanted electrodes in his head to let him see into other dimensions. Really.

    The other is by an anonymous commenter at the nutball Russian blog “Vineyard of the Saker” who says he worked at Fort Detrick for decades but repeatedly spelled it wrong.

    Unz’s retarded argument goes like this:

    China and Iran had it first, so obviously we should suspect the USA.

    Non-insane people’s response: “That makes no sense for dozens of reasons, even if you assume the US has a desire to commit mass murder against random elderly Chinese and Iranian people.”

    Unz’s rejoinder: “Well US policy is insane, so that just supports my point.”

    It isn’t just his retarded theory isn’t falsifiable, but that his defective brain automatically characterizes everything as supporting his ethnomasochist paranoia.

    If it points to the US, it is in favor of his theory. If it points against the US, it is evidence of the US covering it up/deflection or just shows how stupid the US is.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @kaganovitch
  163. Dennis Dale says: • Website
    @Jack D

    According to this two layers of white t-shirt are as effective as a surgical mask. And instead of all this nonsense about cleaning masks being well-nigh impossible somehow, you can make several and just throw them in the wash.

    I’m beginning to think we’re victims of our own post-internet habits here. Everyone an expert now, eager to be the guy who Shoots Down Bad Ideas. The worst homemade mask is about fifty percent effective (I think none of the materials on that list were below that); how in the hell is that negligible?

    We also have little faith in the common man’s intelligence. But this isn’t polling your opinion on some bullshit political issue, this is life and death. People tend to get smarter and pay attention. As far as I can tell the whole anti-mask bs is based on the idea people will get that familiar “false sense of security”. Bullshit. Even my dumb ass is capable of understanding if a measure is half-effective.

    Combining the mask with social distancing and hygiene makes you safer.

    Some anti-masker tut-tutted the mask (in the hospital environment, which we’re not even talking about) is part of a whole complement of gown, gloves, etc. So what? This isn’t rocket science. People simply need to treat everything they wear as potentially contaminated: get home, shed your outer clothing, wash hands and face, put on clean clothes. Handle laundry with gloves and care. What’s the most important difference between street clothes and hospital gear? How it’s handled.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  164. @Anonymous

    With four times the number of people, when China’s economy is twice the USA’s then they will have half the income per capita. Why should this worry us?

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    , @Ron Unz
  165. @The Last Real Calvinist

    “The thing is, if you’re going to get real benefit from masks, I suspect nearly everybody has to wear one whenever they’re out in a public place. ”

    That is a lofty and noble goal that I fully support – but if that isn’t possible yet, we need to find a way to get enough for our Health Care Professionals. We need them to get the least viral load possible.

    I think some next low hanging fruit would also be to have cashiers or others constantly dealing with a stream of customers wearing them – fast food workers too. It would have to be mandatory because there is even a stigma in America – people might assume you are sick if it is not mandatory – this is ridiculous but is happening – so 7-11 owners near me that man their cashiers are not wearing masks – cant risk scaring off customers.

  166. Jack D says:
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Then again, you have the recent Bloomberg claim that almost one-third of Corona cases in the US are in the 20-44 age range.

    No one said that those 20-44 are immune, just that it tends not to kill them. Mortality in that range is in the range of .1 to .2% – in other words out of every 1,000 who get sick only 1 or 2 will die (probably the ones who already have some other risk factor). Whereas in the elderly age group, mortality ranges up to 27% or more than 100x as deadly.

    What happens in each group there is a spectrum of severity. In the younger group the range is mainly somewhere between mild symptoms and bad flu, with a small % ending up in the ICU and a tiny % dead, whereas for the elderly it starts at bad flu, many ending up in the ICU and a significant % dying.

  167. Steve, thanks for posting this! Did you get my emails to you on this stuff from my listed email address? No worries about not emailing back, I just want to make sure you got them to read.

  168. RonaldB says:
    @J.Ross

    This is a much slower version of how to make a passable mask from a paper towel:

  169. Dennis Dale says: • Website

    Regarding the problem of cleaning masks, how about nuking them in the microwave? I assume microwaves kill the virus, but apparently that isn’t a given.

    I also read UV rays kill the virus. Spritzing a mask with a sanitizing solution and then leaving to dry in the sun is probably effective.

    • Replies: @Kronos
  170. @North Carolina Resident

    Or we could agree to stop selling arms to Taiwan. In exchange, mainland China would sell the US what we need: masks, medicines, etc.

    We could do this to all our allies. In the short run, we get what we want. In the long run, they become provinces of our enemies. In the really long run, we become provinces of our enemies.

    • Agree: Twinkie
  171. Jack D says:
    @Dennis Dale

    I think there are several things going on in parallel:

    1. Americans are not that inclined to wear masks in the first place. All those funny looking Asians in Singapore and HK are so uncool. For all the hoarding of masks, I hardly see anyone wearing them. They are literally being hoarded, not used.

    2. The perfect is the enemy of the good. Unless you can get the “perfect” mask, there’s no point in bothering with half assed homemade solutions. And we know that the “perfect” N95s are supposed to be reserved for medical pros (who burn thru them like candy because there’s been no effort at reuse) so don’t bother.

    3. Trump Derangement Syndrome – all of these suggestions from Trump and his followers are worthless. They are not Official Scientists and don’t listen to them. And if Covid crashes the economy and kills a lot of people, it will be worth it if it means that Trump won’t be re-elected so we really shouldn’t be trying wing and a prayer type improvised solutions anyway – if they work it will be even worse than if they didn’t work because then the Orange Man would win.

  172. @Lot

    Thanks for the links. They should be required reading especially for libertarians who believe that deregulation is the panacea for all capitalism’s ills. The mishandling, bribery and lack of inspection were appalling.

    An Argentinean told me that poor Latin Americans preferred e.g. Chicken of the Sea over foreign, third-world canned tuna because they believed that standards in American factories were superior due to greater government oversight. Just an example of how better oversight can and does pay.

  173. Anonymous[369] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kronos

    Add to that the highly coincidental arrest of Charles Lieber in January for his connection to the Wuhan Technical University. Lieber was the chair of the Harvard University chemistry department and an expert in nanomaterials and nanoelectronics that detect viruses and pathogens released during biological weapons attacks.

    Lieber was arrested and charged for essentially the process crime of “making false statements to the U.S. Department of Defense and to Harvard investigators regarding his participation in China’s Thousand Talents Program”. And by false statements they mean simply not explicating the amount of compensation he was receiving from Wuhan Technical University.

    Lieber: “I have a professional working relationship and do paid work for Wuhan Technical University related to nanotechnology in the detection of viruses in bioweapons. And I work for DARPA in the same field.”

    U.S. Gov’t (2009-2019): “No problem.”

    U.S. Gov’t (1/2020): “Hey, from 2009 to 2019 you failed to disclose just how much money you’re making and the extent of you professional working relationships with Chinese nationals. Therefore… FBI, YOU’RE UNDER ARREST!”

    https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2004/10/sensor-detects-identifies-single-viruses/

    Two of the world’s biggest threats may someday be reduced by wires thousands of times thinner than a hair but capable of detecting a single virus. The specter of worldwide viral epidemics is always with us, so detecting them quickly offers the possibility of saving thousands of lives. The pathogens also can be stealthy biological weapons, making their positive detection a vital national defense requirement.

    “We want to find a single virus before it finds you,” says Charles Lieber, Hyman Professor of Chemistry at Harvard University. Tests recently completed in his laboratory show that these unimaginably thin nanowires can sense and distinguish between viruses that cause flu, measles, and eye infections. Lieber believes future versions will be able to spot HIV, Ebola, SARS, West Nile, hepatitis, bird flu, and other dangerous viruses.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Kronos
    , @vhrm
    , @Ron Unz
  174. @jimmyriddle

    What the hell happened to “yankee know-how”?

    Diversity
    Inclusion
    Equality

    White
    Originated
    Knowledge
    Eradication

  175. Anonymous[369] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Add to that the highly coincidental arrest of Charles Lieber in January for his connection to the Wuhan Technical University. Lieber was the chair of the Harvard University chemistry department and an expert in nanomaterials and nanoelectronics that detect viruses and pathogens released during biological weapons attacks.

    Lieber was arrested and charged for essentially the process crime of “making false statements to the U.S. Department of Defense and to Harvard investigators regarding his participation in China’s Thousand Talents Program”. And by false statements they mean simply not explicating the amount of compensation he was receiving from Wuhan Technical University.

    Lieber: “I have a professional working relationship and do paid work for Wuhan Technical University related to nanotechnology in the detection of viruses in bioweapons. And I work for DARPA in the same field.”

    U.S. Gov’t (2009-2019): “No problem.”

    U.S. Gov’t (1/2020): “Hey, from 2009 to 2019 you failed to disclose just how much money you’re making and the extent of you professional working relationships with Chinese nationals. Therefore… FBI, YOU’RE UNDER ARREST!”

    Oh, and being under federal indictment for your activities related to China you are therefore essentially not free to speak about anything related those activities for at least a couple/few years.

  176. Kronos says:
    @Sam Haysom

    How am I lying?

    I’m unaware of any solid evidence that demonstrates that Assad’s pro-government forces launched either gas attacks in 2013 or 2017. From what I could gather an Assad plane bombed a rebel ammo depo that incidentally housed primitive chlorine weapons amongst other weaponry. The rebels and Western media commence with a large-scale media frenzy targeting Assad for war crimes. The initial evidence was poor and didn’t warrant that kind of megaphone coverage. It was a “scream the lie, whisper the retraction” PR hit job.

    https://news.antiwar.com/2018/02/02/mattis-us-has-no-evidence-of-syrian-use-of-sarin-gas/

    We have a long list detailing the US “Deep State” pulling many maneuvers of lies and deceit. From tales of Iraqi soldiers drop-kicking incubator babies to Saddam having WMDs. And that’s just focusing on the Middle East.

    • Agree: JMcG
  177. @Ron Unz

    It’s like you’re intentionally commenting in Steve’s blog to drive away the last sane people visiting unz.com. I’m not sure why, but here we are.

    Get fucked Ron.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  178. @eastkekiisawhiteguy

    Is dementia a symptom of the virus, too? Get this guy a test.

  179. Kronos says:
    @Dennis Dale

    Might damage/melt the rubber straps.

  180. @Lot

    If it points to the US, it is in favor of his theory. If it points against the US, it is evidence of the US covering it up/deflection or just shows how stupid the US is.

    If it were developed in the US, wouldn’t protectionists be more obvious suspects? More so than the CIA.

    • Replies: @Lot
  181. Kronos says:
    @wren

    Am I paranoid that she’ll try to become Biden’s VP?

  182. @Muggles

    Like actuarial science ….

    Try looking “under the hood” of actuarial “science” sometime. There are plenty of fudge-factors that steer actuarial discussions in a preferred direction.

  183. Ron Unz says:
    @ATBOTL

    I take pride in the fact that I identified Whiskey as a single commentator back when his comments on Steve’s blog were anonymous. I dubbed him “long winded neocon”

    Yep, I remember. I think later he adopted the name “Evil Neocon” then switched to something like “Testing3” then eventually to “Whiskey.”

    He repeatedly claimed to be pure “Scots-Irish” but it turned out he didn’t even know what “Scots-Irish” meant.

    But even silly Whiskey looks like a genius compared to this “Sam Haysom” character. Downthread utu pointed out that he’s gone from being 100% WASP to being German-American to growing up in Belgium near diamond merchants. I’m sure further research would uncover additional alleged backgrounds.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/masks/#comment-3785709

    As Steve has sometimes pointed out, one problem with being pathologically dishonest is that it’s sometimes hard to remember all your different lies.

    I guess when they send their Neocons infiltrators here, they don’t send their best…

  184. HA says:
    @utu

    “Would you claim that 1940 and early 1941 extensive cooperation between Germany and USSR indicated no tensions between the two countries…”

    No one is claiming there were no tensions. Rather, the simple fact that 300 US officers are allowed to parade around China means that Dec of 2019 was hardly the “peak of Sino-American tension”, to use Ron Unz’s phrasing.

    Let’s break that down further, in case anyone else has similar difficulties with basic reading comprehension. Pointing out that a certain point in time is manifestly NOT a tension peak does not mean that there was no tension. Got that? Yes, periods of cooperation can be followed by backstabbing and renegging, but that’s not how Ron Unz laid this out.

    “Perhaps because RU has integrity…”

    Ugh — more lapses in basic reading comprehension. I’m not saying he doesn’t believe what he’s saying. I’m just pointing out why I think his case is lame and has gaping and obvious holes. Given how this was apparently timed so as to happen right after a big PR stunt featuring 300 American soldiers — that’s the centerpiece of his effort to blame this on the US, if I get this gist — another possible culprit would be someone trying to frame the Americans. Yeah, that might be some rogue deep-state faction of the US. But it could be any number of other players: Russia, Iran, North Korea. All of them might have an interest in driving the Americans and Chinese further apart. But for some strange reason (one that I suspect Ron Unz would regard as very suspicious were it to occur in any other context) he seems unable to even consider any other possibility in any detail, and that inability to note and then rule out alternate suspects with a similar motive weakens his argument (as does his failure to point out how the usual Wuhan origin theories — e.g., a wet market featuring exotic meats, including possibly animals discarded from the local biolab — are implausible).

    I don’t know what David Frum would have to do with any of this, or why you think I’d have any interest in defending someone like him, but maybe you should work on the reading comprehension first.

  185. Ron Unz says:
    @RebelWriter

    The point is that anybody can pretend to be anything on the internet…Of course, he could also be the real deal. If he is the real deal, and he suspected his country of being involved in bio-warfare for the purpose of trade – which is unimaginable to me – would he choose to write an article and have it published on a site like Unz? It’s not like the alphabet agencies couldn’t track him down from this.

    An important point is that he *didn’t* write an article and send it to me for publication…

    Instead, I repeatedly emphasized, he merely left several long and very detailed comments in an Open Thread of a relatively small blogsite. However, these came to my attention and seemed sufficiently impressive that I made arrangements to republish them in the form of an article.

    Offhand, it seemed to me unlikely that a “hoaxer” would make such efforts to fabricate detailed comments where only a few people might be expected to read them. Others have also noted that the style and content seem very consistent with someone who had indeed spent decades working in military biodefense.

    Later on, I did some additional “due diligence,” and I feel I can say that there’s a high likelihood the writer has the biodefense background he claims.

    • Replies: @RebelWriter
  186. @RebelWriter

    yeah, Ron comes off pretty gullible there

  187. @ThreeCranes

    I disinfect my kitchen sponges every night. Just before going to bed I rinse them and stick em in the microwave for 25-35 seconds (depending on which microwave I’m using.)

    Just look through the window and time it long enough to watch the left-over soap bubbles rising merrily from the sponge. Obviously, you don’t have to boil them dry.

    Sous vide cooking says that above about 145 degrees most stuff dies. Maybe not viruses.

    I figure if they’re heated to almost boiling even just temporarily, that’s good enough.

    My kitchen sponges don’t smell and they last a lot longer, basically till the green stuff is about worn off.

    I don’t see why masks can’t be treated similarly.

    • Replies: @Kylie
  188. Lot says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    So trade unions?

    This guy seems suspicious.

  189. @utu

    weve been over this before sadly. I am 100 percent WASP. My wife is not- as I explained to you last time you tried this I omitted a word in my comment. Aren’t you the least bit embarrassed that this is the second time you’ve tried this. You are just a faceless bitter old dude to me. I’ve come to literally dominate your waking thoughts.

    And when you are the child of a Harvard MBA (id highly recommend it) sometimes you have to live abroad. You’ve scoured an entire three year posting history and managed to dig up one word I omitted. It’s clear you truly envy my immense privilege. To the point that you’d rather pretend I’m lying. I’m extremely delighted to disappoint you. I even played QB in high school (admittedly poorly but rich kid QBs let’s just say i could have OD on trim).

    You are a sad pathetic human. You will die alone and deserve it. The worst part is despite your bitter anger and seemingly endless time I’m still a better troll than you. I’m so deep under you skin you can’t stand it.

    His name was Forster by the way alle du chevreuil. The dogs are no more alas they attacked a jogger and were put down. You’ll be happy to know the entire block was defaced by a tasteless mansion belonging to one of Putin’s buddies. Perhaps that will assuage some of the great emotional pain you will no doubt feel when you find out I am who I claim. I’m definitely going to rub your face in some more envy-evoking details. Stay tuned.

    • LOL: UK
    • Replies: @eugyppius
    , @Mr. Anon
  190. J.Ross says:

    White people must apologize to Chinese people for the violence committed against them by black people!

  191. @Ron Unz

    lol delighted to know I’ve got you shook. You are a disgraceful person and anything I can contribute to your complete reputational destruction is delightful.

    Not everyone’s mom is a side piece discarded after a few pumps. My dad loves my mom so rather than growing up on welfare I grew up in Belgium as an expat’s kid. It really is delightful who unfurled you’ve become.

    You are citing as proof for your dementia-spawned conspiracy a guy that can’t even spell the place he was stationed correctly. Meanwhile utu couldn’t find one mistake in three years of comments. You could have retired a young millionaire instead you are going to die a broke lonely old Jew. Rags to rags in one generation.

  192. @Richard S

    One of these days the mainlanders are going to eat the Taiwanee alive (figuratively??) so why is it the American people’s obligation to kill and die to prevent Chinese reunification?

    Because the Taiwanese have some of the most advanced semiconductor fabrication knowledge and facilities on Earth, making them strategically important to the West.

    Also because, you know, bringing those plants back to the US would be too simple and provide too many well paying jobs for American engineers, scientists, and technicians.

  193. @Anonymous

    The US has to go to war with China now before it’s too late and the window closes.

    About the dumbest thing i’ve heard … well next to “nation of immigrants” and all the other pap our establishment constantly spews.

    Because …

    The major risk though is that this could go nuclear and make the coronavirus outbreak look like child’s play.

    There isn’t going to be any hot war with China. That’s stupid. Both sides have nukes. The side that is headed toward losing in a signifcant way will use them and no one wins.

    What there may be–and should be if there’s a nationalist resurgence–is the US repatriating its industry. There’s no particular reason not to do this as the coming robotic revolution is going to make the labor issue even less of an issue.

    This will create friction. But China’s answer should be to grow its own internal consumer economy … which is the whole point of having industry in the first place–to provide a higher standard of living for your people.

    It’s potentially, win-win:
    The US tosses globo-goons and regains some sanity and self-respect.
    The Chinese people get the higher standard of living their hard work should provide.

  194. vhrm says:
    @SimpleSong

    Thanks for laying it out. It’s fairly compelling especially about the eye protection.

    That said, am i missing something about the doffing issue?

    Yes, the particles transfer from the mask to your hands. And then you wash or sanitize your hands.

    With chemicals or perhaps some other pathogens it would be an issue, but doesn’t seem like a big deal with covid-19.

  195. @Jack D

    at the risk of being capt’ obvious, I am just going to say, How about two layers of whatever material?

    if you use a bandanna, you fold diagonally, which makes it two ply, while I don’t think that brings it up to 100%, it has to increase it some.

    just 2¢

  196. anon[244] • Disclaimer says:

    From WSJ:

    More companies are trying to get into the mask-making business, as hospitals and public officials scrounge for protective gear for medical workers confronting the coronavirus pandemic.

    A Texas businessman, a company that makes pee pads for pets in Virginia and a longtime medical-supply executive in New York are all buying machines or retooling production lines to make medical-grade face masks. However, the new entrants are facing the same problem as established mask makers: shortages of key supplies and equipment.

    The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention isn’t recommending the general public wear face masks if they are healthy, saying the supply should be preserved for health-care workers. The widening U.S. outbreak is quickly burning through limited remaining supplies at many hospitals, and government backstops aren’t keeping pace, health-care officials have said.

    FWIW, It wasn’t just elites that demanded the cheapest possible stuff, which was Chinese. Walmart of Bentonville AR, and their customers were a big part of it. I was super happy with my first Japanese car. And on and on.The pro Union made in USA thing was defeated by people voting with their wallets. Just saying.

  197. @BenKenobi

    Dude, calm down. It’s no skin off my teeth if you choose to believe it’s all a grand, worldwide hoax. Maybe if your town becomes like Bergamo then you’ll believe it. Or maybe the services in that grand metropolis are more like they are in Germany, and you’ll survive unscathed. I wish you the best of luck! Why that angers you I can’t begin to imagine. And I don’t really care.

    All I’m saying is that there are things in the larger world which are real even if you or I can’t see them with our very own eyes. If everyone decides to take it seriously when it affects them personally and not a moment before, well, we’ll have many more Bergamos.

    • Disagree: BenKenobi
  198. @Anonymous

    For all of the purported wisdom and long-term thinking the CCP is supposed to posses, they don’t seem to grasp the magnitude of the global backlash they are going to face, especially if this becomes Great Depression 2.0.

    The Chicoms leadership–while no longer the Maoist disaster–has never been particularly “wise”. It’s a stodgy, not particular imaginative bureaucracy, that usually just keeps doing what it’s been doing.

    An example: The problems with their “one child” policy were clearly evident to many people long ago. By around 2000, i was talking with people that they really needed to change it to be eugenic, fix the sex imbalance and bring it in for a soft landing–and discussed a number of different methods they could do so. And i’m a white guy in America! But the Chinese leadership did … nothing … until 2015.

    No, it’s simply the smarts, hustle and hard work of the Chinese people that have carried the day. The Chinese leadership has been able to ride that not be being “wise”, but simply by not being complete bozos.

    It’s only in comparison to the West where we have elites in thrall to this genocidal minoritarian ideology and hostile to their own people, that the Chinese leadership looks like geniuses.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    , @Twinkie
  199. botazefa says:

    I’m so sorry your parents got divorced.

    I’m sorry you weren’t able to achieve your father’s Harvard MBA status.

    Maybe stop taking it out on Ron, brother.

  200. @Anon7

    What if [Biden] is being kept in strict isolation – the old boy in the bubble routine? Is that how he would serve as President?

    You’ve never heard of Woodrow Wilson?

  201. @1661er

    Yeah, sure she made them, but there is no way to determine how effective the masks are. From what I understand, the material used to make N95 masks require very sophisticated (and expensive) machinery. That’s the biggest reason we have not been able to ramp up supply rapidly.

  202. vhrm says:
    @Mr. Anon

    UV wouldn’t work well for opaque porous items.

    Ozone could work.

    I’ve been using a spray bottle of alcohol as hand sanitizer for the past few weeks.

    I haven’t actually been wearing masks, but started trying out an n95 yesterday. (i have a handful left from a cabinet refinishing episode)

    i sprayed it with the 70% isopropyl alcohol to dampness (not soaked) and it didn’t appear to damage it. Don’t know if repeated applications will cause breakdown. (and of course i don’t know how much of anything relevant it killed or would have killed if it were present)

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  203. Mike1 says:
    @SimpleSong

    We have no idea if it is droplet transmission. Don’t spread nonsense. That “knowledge” is based on the fact that this is a coronavirus and more specifically that it is related to SARS and MERS. THEY were droplet transmission. The staggering infectiousness of this suggests some form of aerosol transmission as well.

  204. I also wondered why DIY masking hasn’t gotten more publicity. There are a slew of videos on youtube.com on DIY mask making, some of them pretty good. Another question I had was why hospitals aren’t buying more face shields. They are quite plentiful and are still reasonably priced:

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B085FSFQ2T/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A1BUURZPWVA9HV&psc=1

    Combine a disposable/reusable face shield with a DIY mask or bandana and it seems to me a medical professional could significantly mitigate the virus threat. So, what’s up with not buying face shields?

  205. Anon[369] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    Why not have an image of Christ in the comment box to scare off (((those who pray to Satan))).

  206. @Chrisnonymous

    Hi Chris — I don’t actually think masks qua masks do much good. I do think they work as symbolic highly-visible psycho-social markers that remind and encourage (or shame) people to engage in a much broader, and perhaps more effective, set of preventive behaviors.

    You’re right, though, that I don’t have any definitive study to point to.

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
  207. @Ron Unz

    “An important point is that he *didn’t* write an article and send it to me for publication.”

    My mistake. You explained this at the beginning of the article. Perhaps you’re right about him. Perhaps.

  208. vhrm says:
    @J1234

    line Anon says it’s currently gone in my area too.

    I’ve been using a small pump spray bottle to spray it into my palm and it works ok. Takes a bit of practice to figure out how much to spray so that you can rub your hands all over and still have it take 5 or 10 seconds to dry.

    Also, moisturizing hasn’t been such a concern. I sanitize maybe 5- 10 times a day and most days i don’t moisturize at all and haven’t noticed any issues. ofc ymmv with your skin, weather, activities.

  209. @Jack D

    Yeah, this should be emphasized–too bad this is coming late in the thread:

    2. The perfect is the enemy of the good. Unless you can get the “perfect” mask, there’s no point in bothering with half assed homemade solutions. And we know that the “perfect” N95s are supposed to be reserved for medical pros (who burn thru them like candy because there’s been no effort at reuse) so don’t bother.

    People seem to think that if the mask doesn’t stop 100% of all virus particles it’s totally useless, but the reality is that infection almost certainly has a dose-response curve. If you get one virus particle in your mouth, it is pretty unlikely that you will get sick. If you get 1000 particles, odds go up, 10,000, odds go up some more, etc. Also the severity of the illness you experience may be worse with a higher exposure. A lot of the young people who died in China were healthcare workers who were getting a huge exposures without protection before anybody knew what was going on.

    So a mask that only filters 50% may actually do you a lot of good, even more so if it is paired with the other protective measures like eye protection and gloves. One’s exposures while walking around are probably pretty low and the basic stuff might effectively push it into the non-infection or mild mild infection category. Now, paramedics? They need the better stuff because they just have a lot more particles to block.

  210. @Ron Unz

    I think later he adopted the name “Evil Neocon” then switched to something like “Testing3” then eventually to “Whiskey.”

    There once was a commenter named “Testing99” whose view of the sexes matched Whiskey’s perfectly, but was more “paleo”, at times Hebrophobic, on other issues. I don’t remember which forums he was on. Before this one, I was on VFR, Sam Francis’s, and, in the last century, Free Republic.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  211. anonguy says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    Various hospitals in USA are now essentially out of PPE with no resupply imminent and asking nearby residents to not just donate purchased PPE they have but also to donate homemade masks, giving out directions how to make, etc.

    ER people wearing scarfs and bandannas. Garbage bags probably soon if not already.

    And this is on the beginning side of the curve.

    Oh, and that tp shortage. Sewage systems are getting clogged from paper towels, wipes, etc.

    TP hoarders might want to help out their neighbors for their own good if they are not on septic. Even if on septic and not for their own good, they still might want to help.

    There are so many unforeseen consequences in our interconnected world and there will be more.

  212. Anonymous[258] • Disclaimer says:

    Sailer’s article calling for War on Corona set off a shitstorm. I can’t believe it.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    , @anonguy
  213. Corvinus says:
    @DanHessinMD

    Here is a review of that Chinese study, and it address the humidity aspect.

    https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-blogs/weathermatrix/analysis-of-new-research-paper-tying-coronavirus-to-weather/703270

    Hydrochloroquine is promising, but with caveats.

    https://www.wired.com/story/an-old-malaria-drug-may-fight-covid-19-and-silicon-valleys-into-it

    The chloroquine document Todaro and Rigano wrote spread almost—sorry about this—virally. But even though some people are hyping this is a treatment, it still has not yet undergone a large-scale randomized control trial, the gold standard for evaluating whether a medical intervention like a drug actually works. Until that happens, most physicians and researchers would say that chloroquine can’t be any kind of magic bullet. “Many drugs, including chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine, work in cells in the lab against coronaviruses. Few drugs have been shown to work in an animal model,” says Matthew Frieman, a microbiologist who studies therapeutics against coronaviruses at the University of Maryland. What happens if you put the drugs into animals? No one knows yet. Probably nothing bad, because they’ve been used for decades. But maybe they don’t actually help a person fight off the virus.

    Sir, have you sought out local or state health officials and offer up your expertise on the matter? If yes, what was the result? If no, why not?

  214. anon[827] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m late to the party and someone else has probably already said it, but:

    Making hand sanitiser is (apparently) easy, and many individuals already have the capacity: lots of homebrew stills already exist and can easily make the ethanol; aloe vera plants already exist and apparently it’s easy to get the gel.

    How exactly do you make a face mask?

    If they’re made of paper: where do you get the wood pulp?

    What machines do you need?

    Etc.

    It seems like it requires more engineering expertise to get that one off the ground. But maybe this is something that people who know how to sew their own clothes could get onto? Make some masks out of some stretchy fabric… if they’re washed between uses, would that be adequate?

    There remains the option of making one yourself with a paper towel, a couple of elastic bands, and a stapler, but that’s obviously less effective.

    • Replies: @epebble
  215. Ron Unz says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    There once was a commenter named “Testing99” whose view of the sexes matched Whiskey’s perfectly

    That was the name! It was so obviously “Whiskey” that I merged all those comments into the same Handle when Steve migrated his blogging archives to my platform, and you can browse his old 2008/2009 archives if you want.

    One easy means of detecting these Jewish Neocon infiltrators is they seethe with almost uncontrollable hatred towards Pat Buchanan. I remember Whiskey/Testing99 hated PJB so much that he generally refused to even spell his name properly, usually writing “Buchanon” or something ridiculous like that. Normal rightwingers may like or dislike PJB, but I think that such fanatical hatred is almost as good as a lab test for Jewish Neocons.

    The first link utu provided to that “Sam Haysom” character was to a 2015 comment in which someone noted his extreme hatred of PJB, Putin/Russia, and Iran, and (quite reasonably) asked whether he was Jewish. Naturally, he replied that that he was 100% WASP (before he forgot his cover and suddenly became German-American a couple of years later).

    https://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/stand-up-for-indiana/#comment-913550

    Being ideological parasites, these Jewish-activist types rely very heavily upon crypsis to maintain their influence and therefore have an extreme horror of being uncovered. I think it was Goebbels (or maybe Hitler) who had some very amusing remarks about the ease with which they tolerate any accusation except their racial identification.

    • Replies: @Lot
  216. @The Last Real Calvinist

    I’m not sure about masks either, but they can’t hurt.

    Not the same thing of course, but Iran has been hit hard even though half the population isn’t allowed to go out in public without their faces covered.

  217. Lot says:
    @Ron Unz

    “ I think it was Goebbels (or maybe Hitler) who had some very amusing remarks”

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  218. Kronos says:
    @Anonymous

    A lot of important people read/comment on Unz.com and particularly on Steve Sailer’s Blog. It’s quite difficult to find such great/honest articles even on the internet.

  219. anonguy says:
    @Anonymous

    Sailer’s article calling for War on Corona set off a shitstorm. I can’t believe it.

    Too bad he didn’t do this a month or two ago when it might have made a difference.

    But female journalists hair has been more important. So much for the dude who notices, he didn’t notice the biggest story of at least the past 30 years.

    Maybe you ought to stop the female journalist articles Steve. At your age, it is, if not out and out creepy old weirdo stuff, unseemly and adolescent at best.

    At least the golf and movie stuff, equally useless and a waste of your skills, was innocuous. The young female hair stuff is lecherous and icky.

    iSteve has been as much of a fail on coronavirus as any other western institution.

    I am very disappointed.

  220. anonymous[968] • Disclaimer says:

    Trump should tweet that the war guarantee provided to Taiwan will be withdrawn if Taiwan does not fork over half of its production of masks. It’s an odd war guarantee too in that it’s not even conditioned on Taiwan doing any fighting. In any conflict with China, Taiwan will likely sit it out and let the US do all of the fighting.

  221. nebulafox says:
    @Lot

    Hitler actually had a pretty good acerbic sense of humor. He also liked dogs, children, and classical music.

    If villains were nothing more than cartoons, life would be a lot more simple, wouldn’t it? But that’s not how evil works. Evil doesn’t come up and announce himself, he comes up to you wearing a fancy suit, with a promise that he’ll be *fun*. And since good and evil revolve and duel in most men’s hearts, he can be pretty charming…

    • Replies: @anonguy
  222. nebulafox says:
    @AnotherDad

    Having lived in China myself, I concur. People who attribute some ancient, cliched Eastern wisdom about the CPC reveal more about themselves than anything else. They are bureaucrats like any others. They only come off as far sighted relative to the objective train wreck that has been US leadership ever since 1993. (Let’s trust the market like a religious entity to magically create jobs after we hollow out our economy!) It’s the people, not the vaunted government bureaucracy.

    They don’t have some calculated plan, they are scrambling all over like chicken’s with their heads cut off, responding to events as they come.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
  223. anonguy says:
    @nebulafox

    Evil doesn’t come up and announce himself, he comes up to you wearing a fancy suit, with a promise that he’ll be *fun*

    This.

    The eternal mistake people make is equating beauty with good. Sometimes it is true, but sometimes it isn’t.

  224. epebble says:
    @anon

    easily make the ethanol

    I think 60% ethanol is somewhat more difficult to make since it involves distillation. Much cheaper to buy plentiful Grain Alcohol ( e.g. Brand name Everclear, about $15 per 750 ml).

    Also, why are we not using ethanol from Midwest as Sanitizer instead of burning with gasoline? I don’t see anyone talking about it. If we stop burning it, everybody can get 20 ounce of ethanol per day.

    • Agree: JMcG
  225. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    It’s not a question of stockpiling, it’s a question of keeping production Stateside and somewhat flexible for demand. You make it cost ineffective to not do it.

  226. @nebulafox

    Having lived in China myself, I concur. People who attribute some ancient, cliched Eastern wisdom about the CPC reveal more about themselves than anything else. They are bureaucrats like any others. They only come off as far sighted relative to the objective train wreck that has been US leadership ever since 1993. (Let’s trust the market like a religious entity to magically create jobs after we hollow out our economy!) It’s the people, not the vaunted government bureaucracy.

    They don’t have some calculated plan, they are scrambling all over like chicken’s with their heads cut off, responding to events as they come.

    It’s fashionable these days to attribute to the Chinese leadership a high level of skill and talent. It’s as if they ruled over 1.4b people who rode the short bus to school every day. Ask yourself this – is there as single country ruled by someone ethnic Chinese, over a population of ethnic Chinese, that is, on average, poorer than China? In fact, on a per capita basis, is there a single territory with the preceding demographics that has anywhere near China’s abundant per capita mineral resources? There is nothing special about China’s development, given that the progeny of some of its losers made up the bulk of recent US Math Olympiad teams:

    The rapid Chinese economic growth, in % terms, of recent decades is founded on an African-level base in the late 70’s, combined with ripoffs of Western technology.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_past_and_projected_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

    That initial base of African-grade poverty was in turn founded on decades of Communist Party incompetence that turned a gold mine of human resources into dross. If it were possible to do an accurate survey of the Chinese diaspora, it would not be surprising if every ethnic Chinese community in the world had a median income higher than exists in China proper. It would certainly put the CPC’s self-promoting propaganda in a less flattering light.

    • Agree: Lot, wren
    • Replies: @Twinkie
  227. @Ron Unz

    It hasn’t been approved yet – but I commented that “Sam Haysom” is likely another troll of the subcon Thomm variety, if not the same person altogether.

    It’s a pretty easy pattern to recognize that every recently arriving commenter with a first name, last name style handle that begins with John or Sam is likely the same Hindu troll.

  228. It ain’t that hard to make effective masks in a pinch

    I was at Target today. Still plenty of 3M made HVAC filters. The higher grade of these filters nab viruses. Place filter medium between two dish cloths. Sew together, you have a mask that’s good enough.

  229. @SimpleSong

    Why “purple/blue nitrile gloves”? Won’t cheap poly gloves do the job?

    • Replies: @Lot
  230. @Chrisnonymous

    Masks should be dealt with as though they are infectious fomites.

    If masks are infectious formites–which i don’t dispute–then they are infectious formites pretty much entirely composed of:
    — infection that was on your facial skin
    — infection that would have–but for the mask–ended up in your respiratory track

    Yeah, you should not share it with someone. Or for that matter rub the inside against a faucet in a public restroom.

    But otherwise masks are an excellent idea, especially in curtailing the spread of airborne respiratory illness.. Which is why medical staffs use them when dealing with sick or potentially sick people.

  231. @MikeatMikedotMike

    They are obviously different individuals.

  232. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @North Carolina Resident

    Yes, but that would be a dick move par excellence.

    It would behoove Taiwan to be extra nice to us, but not being able to make sufficient medical supplies is fundamentally a flaw of our own, no one else is responsible. We-those of us who have even the minutest urge toward nationhood and self-sufficiency-knew something like this was inevitable. I did, many of the people here regularly, save the hasbara artists and goofs like TD and Corvirus, knew it too. And, not to toot my own horn, I have been saying it. I write and call my legislators, even though it’s especially futile in Cucksas to do so, I vote and vote to be an ass-thorn as much as possible, not that that does any good either.

    We need to make our own consumer products, our own disposables, as well as our own production machinery, our own capital equipment, precisely because it is more expensive. That is not intuitive. The corporate thinking is that we should make exportable high tech goods-military armaments, jet engines, locomotives, semiconductor fab equipment, etc, and leave the higher volume low profit stuff to low labor markets. Wrong.

    We need to make our own refrigerators and TV sets and washing machines and most everything else. Not all of them-you want a certain percent of goods to be imported to provide some competition and set a higher bar for quality, lest you wind up with dogshit local goods like Brazil and Argentina-but in every critical category a good chunk of them. And we should actually discourage some exports of capital goods. Think about all those Rust Belt plants the Chinese bought up complete down to the kotex machines in the women’s rooms and replicated exactly-we’d been ahead by far to have the government buy them up and push them off the deck of the Nimitz over the Marianas Trench. If the Chinese had to make their own tooling or buy it cash on the barrelhead new from the Germans, they would be way behind in drastically undercutting us in manufacturing.

    That’s how you build a broad base of manufacturing. You can’t just “cream the market” forever. You need to have to train the people and need to have to build the tooling. You need to provide manufacturing opportunities to kids who otherwise will never be surgeons but if not machinists or welders will be liberal arts or “business” graduates of midwit “colleges” and turn to rent seeking.

    • Agree: Twinkie
  233. Lot says:
    @Grace Jones

    In the before times of 2019, Costco sold a 100 pack of blue nitrile gloves for $8, and they’re both stronger and more comfortable than latex.

    • Replies: @Grace Jones
  234. Jack D says:
    @passive-aggressivist

    How dare he comment on his own website that he pays for!

    Look, I strongly disagree with Ron Unz’s views on most things. He sounds like a meshugenah or a crank to me. A contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian. But, he has acted as the gracious and deep pocketed host for Steve and his merry band of commenters (some of them who sound like they are Rip van Richthofen and just woke up from a Nuremberg rally mumbling about Jews and Bolsheviks and those are the ones that Steve lets thru – I can only imagine what he has to block) when no “respectable” forum, even (formerly or allegedly) conservative sites such as National Review would give him a platform anymore. So if Ron wants to chime in once in a while with his tinfoil hat theories on his own website and you don’t like them, just block him.

    • Thanks: A123
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @A123
  235. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous

    If the situation was reversed and we were having a Chinese Virus crisis (guess what we are) and the Democrats found out that Trump was allowing masks to be exported that were needed at home, there would be political hell to pay. I suspect that’s what’s going on in Taiwan so no Taiwanese politician dares to allow them to be exported. I’m sure the manufacturers would be glad to sell to the highest bidder. Dictators can do whatever suits them but in a democratic society politicians are always looking over their shoulders and worrying about how something will play to the domestic audience, which tends to get extra jingoistic in times of crisis.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  236. Kronos says:
    @Anonymous

    And by false statements they mean simply not explicating the amount of compensation he was receiving from Wuhan Technical University.

    Oh jeez, I didn’t know he was involved at Wuhan…

  237. Sparkon says:

    There are instructions on the CDC website showing how to make a hand washing solution from diluted household bleach. Soap and hot water is probably the hand washing gold standard, but this solution should be as good or better than hand sanitizer or alcohol, and of course bleach comes in bigger jugs, just think of it, and a little goes a long way.

    Even under ideal conditions and stored properly, bleach starts to degrade after a few months. You need new bleach. In a pinch, stronger solutions of older bleach might be effective, but the best plan is to have fresh bleach. There should be a code stamped on the jug’s neck showing date of manufacture.

    Of course, never mix anything but plain water with bleach, and always wear eye protection when opening containers.

    https://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/pdf/2.6-percent-chlorine-bleach-solution.pdf

    This says to create a strong bleach solution (0.5%) for clean-up by mixing four cups of water with one cup of household 2.6% bleach. (This is 1/3 cup of bleach in a gallon of water, or 4 teaspoons of bleach in a quart of water to make the strong solution.)

    Take one cup of the strong solution and mix it with 9 cups of water to create a mild (0.05%) solution that can be used to wash and disinfect the hands.

    Use strong chlorine water to clean floors, latrines, tables and mats touched with blood, vomit, poo-poo, pee-pee, snot, spit, or sweat. Make new strong chlorine water every day

    CDC’s list omits that other precious bodily fluid that goes by various colorful names. Only you will know for sure if it needs to be added to CDC’s list for your own particular environment, and of course you can call it whatever you like.

  238. TWS says:
    @Ron Unz

    Is there a tinfoil hat requirement for billionaires?

  239. vhrm says:
    @Anonymous

    I’m simultaneously annoyed by:
    a) China fleecing our IP at every turn
    and
    b) The feds’ meat head attempts to battle it.

    There was the Wen Ho Lee thing back in the day (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wen_Ho_Lee )

    Sherry Chen (some state hydrologist) (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/17/technology/sherry-chen-national-weather-service.html )

    Slightly different but same vein: the guy they hounded of mailing Anthrax https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Hatfill

    i want the feds to be badass and protect us on big substantial things and worry about foiling plots and minimizing damage, not trying to “get” people on procedural technicalities just because they can.

  240. dfordoom says: • Website
    @RichardTaylor

    Also, far-fetched conspiracy theories, we need to remember that about 1% of the population suffers from schizophrenia.

    It would be fascinating to know what the prevalance of schizophrenia is among the dissident right. I’m guessing it would be much much higher than 1%.

    It’s probably much much higher among political extremists in general (such as SJWs).

    Schizophrenics used to be found in mental hospitals. Now they’re found mainly on the internet.

  241. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Rip van Richthofen

    The Baron died a decade and a half before there was such a thing as National Socialism, and being an aristocrat probably would not much have approved of the NSDAP anyway. So I’m sure his heirs would appreciate not dragging the family name into this.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  242. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Hadoren

    Order Boeing, Ford, GM, and Tesla to switch their factories to making masks.

    Cut the military budget and you’d have enough money and resources to provide lots of ventilators and lots of masks.

    What’s most important at the moment – building F-35s or building more ventilators and producing more masks?

    The US has the most obscenely bloated military machine in history but it can’t protect you from coronavirus.

    • Replies: @vhrm
  243. Kylie says:
    @ThreeCranes

    I heat my kitchen sponge in my 1000 watt microwave on high for 2 minutes every night.

    Mine doesn’t smell, either, nor does the “cooking time” cause the sponge to break down.

  244. Twinkie says:
    @North Carolina Resident

    Or we could agree to stop selling arms to Taiwan.

    That will require the abrogation of the Taiwan Relations Act.

  245. Pontius says:
    @SimpleSong

    So the Harley dudes shall inherit the earth?

  246. Twinkie says:
    @Anonymous

    We need to make our own refrigerators and TV sets and washing machines and most everything else. Not all of them-you want a certain percent of goods to be imported to provide some competition and set a higher bar for quality, lest you wind up with dogshit local goods like Brazil and Argentina

    Indeed. Why not limit imports from those countries with which we have defense treaties, either bilaterally or collectively?

  247. Twinkie says:
    @AnotherDad

    No, it’s simply the smarts, hustle and hard work of the Chinese people that have carried the day. The Chinese leadership has been able to ride that not be being “wise”, but simply by not being complete bozos.

    It’s only in comparison to the West where we have elites in thrall to this genocidal minoritarian ideology and hostile to their own people, that the Chinese leadership looks like geniuses.

    Remember that, in war, you don’t have to be perfect. You don’t even have to be good. You just have to make fewer (critical) mistakes than your enemy.

  248. A123 says:
    @Jack D

    You are 100% correct.

    Ultimately it is Mr. Unz site. And, his money that he contributes to Sailer.

    One can disagree with Mr. Unz theories, but in his forum he gets the platform he built. It’s the American way.

    He could turn off the site and park the URL. We hope he will not, but it is his property.

    PEACE 😷

  249. Pontius says:
    @unit472

    IR thermometers are not point and shoot as you say. I did a training course on FLIR IR imaging cameras last year and the number of factors influencing the accuracy of the reading is not trivial.

  250. Pontius says:
    @DanHessinMD

    Chloroquine trials are underway in Quebec.

  251. @Scott Novak

    I think some next low hanging fruit would also be to have cashiers or others constantly dealing with a stream of customers wearing them – fast food workers too.

    That would help, but it would be even better for some celebrities and sports stars to cover up their famous mugs and appear in public that way.

    If you’ve never done the masking thing, it feels alien and uncomfortable at first. If you’re in a minority who’s wearing them, you feel self-conscious. It would help a lot of people to get over this if there were a bit of public-service reassurance.

    Maybe Tom Hanks and his wife could take the lead on this — assuming there are enough masks available in the USA to make it feasible.

  252. Anonymous[171] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    For some reason, this supposed ‘massive public opposition’ *never but never* stops the entire western political class from advocating and implementing massive uncontrolled third world immigration despite enormous vehement popular anger and opposition against this blatantly undemocratic policy.

  253. @MikeatMikedotMike

    They are obviously different individuals.

  254. eugyppius says:
    @utu

    Sam Haysom is getting younger.

    In 2015, he was 4 years old in 1992, which would make him about 32 now:

    https://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/stand-up-for-indiana/#comment-913729

    In 2018, after weeks of posts that seemed wholly typical of an American right-leaning boomer born ca 1950, he amazed people on Karlin’s blog by claiming to be 27 (ie 3 years younger than his 2015 persona):

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/russia-did-nothing-wrong/#comment-2480872

    And by August 2019 he was a tall pickup artist in his mid-20s:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/sailers-law-of-female-journalism-2/#comment-3402052

    Since then he’s had to invent relatives like his paleocon grandfather and his paleocon mom and his RNC dad so he can talk about the 1990s-era political issues that were obviously formative for him (buchanan, prop 187, etc) and be young also too. His years of orthographically challenged posts are littered with sporadic boomer loathing on the one hand and things like 1990s TV references and political commentary/publications from 20 years ago.

    • LOL: utu, Ron Unz
    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Mr. Anon
  255. Twinkie says:
    @Johann Ricke

    I agree with your broad points, but there is positive selection in outmigration of the Chinese – certainly so in the case of immigrants in the U.S.

  256. Twinkie says:
    @Anonymous

    The Luftwaffe was pretty Nazi in its orientation and some notable aristocrats were enthusiastic Nazis.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  257. vhrm says:
    @dfordoom

    You don’t want the people building the F-35 (or the F-22 before it) building ventilators and masks. Especially on short notice. 🙂

    https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/12/politics/f-35-grounded-indefinitely-oxygen-problems/index.html

  258. @AnotherDad

    They took the template from airline security theater and applied it here.

  259. Ron Unz says:
    @ThreeCranes

    With four times the number of people, when China’s economy is twice the USA’s then they will have half the income per capita. Why should this worry us?

    Well, for much the same reason that people are concerned about Coronavirus in the US even though we’ve only had less than 350 total deaths. Exponential growth is a powerful force:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/chinas-rise-americas-fall/

  260. Ron Unz says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    It hasn’t been approved yet – but I commented that “Sam Haysom” is likely another troll of the subcon Thomm variety, if not the same person altogether.

    I doubt it. “Thomm” was a passive-aggressive Hindu immigrant troll so appallingly ignorant of American history that he repeatedly claimed that Polish people weren’t considered “white” in America until the 1960s.

    But I’m pretty sure that “Sam Haysom” is a fanatic Jewish Neocon troll, given all his shrieking and spitting, and how much he hates Pat Buchanan, Putin/Russia, and Iran.

    As far as I can tell, shrieking and spitting is largely confined to fanatic Jewish-activist types.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  261. Ron Unz says:
    @Anonymous

    Add to that the highly coincidental arrest of Charles Lieber in January for his connection to the Wuhan Technical University. Lieber was the chair of the Harvard University chemistry department and an expert in nanomaterials and nanoelectronics that detect viruses and pathogens released during biological weapons attacks.

    Exactly. As I pointed out five or six weeks ago, the Lieber arrest was *extremely* suspicious:

    It’s also intriguing that Charles Lieber, a very high-ranking Harvard professor with strong China ties, was suddenly arrested and dragged off in shackles for what amounts to some sort of technical issue of misreporting his Chinese funding from many years ago.

    Frankly, I’ve *never* heard of anything like that happening before to a mainstream academic, especially for some technical-reporting violation. I wonder whether it isn’t just meant to intimidate all American academics who might consider voicing their suspicions about the Coronavirus outbreak. Maybe the NSA even discovered that Lieber was expressing some personal doubts about the official Coronavirus story in his emails or phone calls.

    After all, if a likely future Harvard Nobel Laureate can be dragged off in chains and face many years in prison for a supposed financial-reporting-violation, I’d think that lots of ordinary professors would think twice before questioning the Coronavirus story with MSM journalists…

    https://www.unz.com/article/how-to-yellow-cake-a-tragedy/#comment-3715020

  262. Lot says:
    @eugyppius

    Good points man, we should all give Rom Unz our exact DOB.

  263. @North Carolina Resident

    Or we could agree to stop selling arms to Taiwan. In exchange, mainland China would sell the US what we need: masks, medicines, etc.

    Despite what you may have observed, ‘Harmless as an enemy, treacherous as a friend’ is not really the sweet spot of Foreign Policy.

  264. Mr. Anon says:
    @vhrm

    UV wouldn’t work well for opaque porous items.

    It’s been found to be viable, at least by some researchers:

    https://www.ajicjournal.org/article/S0196-6553(18)30140-8/pdf

    “Ultraviolet germicidal irradiation of influenza-contaminated N95 filtering facepiece respirators”

    • Replies: @vhrm
  265. Mr. Anon says:
    @Sam Haysom

    So how do you explain lopping three years off your life (as Eugyppius demonstrated from your own words)? Do you only just have a vague idea how old you are? Were you raised by Harvard MBAs? Or wolves? Too much absinthe with your milk during your childhood in Belgium?

    Tell us, did you attend the same school as Ernst Stavro Blofeld? Do you also wear a monocle?

    • LOL: Ron Unz
  266. Mr. Anon says:
    @eugyppius

    Sam Haysom is getting younger……………………His years of orthographically challenged posts are littered with sporadic boomer loathing on the one hand and things like 1990s TV references and political commentary/publications from 20 years ago.

    Also lots of references to pro-wrestling and low-brow popular culture (if I’m remembering correctly) – always the marker of a superior mind.

  267. @Richard S

    Now the bosses are going to have their throats cut. “End of history” my hole.

    At least we already know how to deal with their bunkers and shelters:

    • LOL: Richard S
  268. GLT says:

    American Airlines not allowing masks for flight attendants? one commenter said it wasn’t their experience.
    https://viewfromthewing.com/american-airlines-flight-attendants-risk-discipline-for-wearing-protective-face-masks/

  269. vhrm says:
    @Mr. Anon

    I’m having tech trouble reading that paper but since the original post have seen some others. UV looks to be an option, indeed. (though possibly causes breakdown after a while?)

    another paper on some methods:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2781738/

    “Evaluation of Five Decontamination Methods for Filtering Facepiece Respirators”

    Their findings are somewhat inconclusive, because different models were damageds by different methods…but personally I’d prob go with chlorine solution and just rinse them well. (the chlorine didn’t damage things mostly, but they had concerns with off gassing with their particular protocol and suggest maybe weaker solution and more rinsing)

    Or maybe the low temp oven we were discussing somewhere around here (not something they tested)

    One thing they mention is that a previous study showed 70% alcohol DID damage the masks they tested so… I’m not going to do that anymore.

  270. @Lot

    If it points to the US, it is in favor of his theory. If it points against the US, it is evidence of the US covering it up/deflection or just shows how stupid the US is.

    I think Frank Cioffi wrote about J Edgar Hoover, that when he suspected someone of being a “subversive” and had a wiretap authorized, he prepared two files. If the wiretap revealed subversion it was filed under subversive. If it did not reveal subversion it was filed under cunning subversive.

  271. Anonymous[544] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie

    One of the top LW commanders in WWII was a Richthofen, a cousin of the famous baron.

  272. @Anonymous

    Serious question. How does the US benefit from selling weapons to Taiwan?

    Mainland China controls Hong Kong. Is that so horrible?

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
  273. Relative to sanitizers, why are we using distillers to produce extra ethanol instead of some of the millions of gallons that our betters insist we put in our gasoline to ruin our cars? Save the bourbon for medicinal ingestion!

  274. @Lot

    I said cheap POLY gloves, not latex. Gloves to pick up dog doo with. Or are we looking at magical thinking here, where something has to look medical to act medical?

  275. Thomm says:
    @Ron Unz

    Except that RUnzie Baby himself later admitted that he does not actually think I am South Asian. This is evident from my own comments, particularly over the last two years.

    There is not a single comment from me, less than two years old, that has anything to do with being a South Asian. Even the ‘evidence’ that he used to pull up in the past is a) over two years old, and b) so ineffective that even at that time, a number of commenters (such as Truth, Malla, etc.) corrected him. Your main gripe is that you don’t like being corrected. You then fly of the handle and brand someone a ‘South Asian’ despite all evidence. I would be more impressed if you were at least creative enough to call me a Romulan, Klingon, Sith Lord, Nazgul, Olog-Hai, DeathStalker, Ogre Mage, Frost Giant, or Flying Purple People Eater.

    Throughout my comments, an intelligent human will see nothing that would tell anyone who actually goes outside and interacts with the real world that I am a South Asian. My comments :

    i) Reveal exceptional knowledge of American history and pop culture.
    ii) A strong preference for burgers, steaks, and guns.
    iii) I have not commented on any South Asia-specific threads in over two years.
    iv) Half the commenters here accuse me of being Jewish.

    Yeah, that is a South Asian.

    RUnzie Baby also claimed :

    that he repeatedly claimed that Polish people weren’t considered “white” in America until the 1960s.

    I never said that. You can’t provide a link, can you?

    What I did say (and what I hence corrected you about) was that Italians and Poles were not socially considered white in the early 20th century, even if they were considered ‘white’ for census purposes. Everyone who knows anything about White Christian American history knows this.

    ______________________________________________

    The fact of the matter is, RUnzie Baby created this myth in order to obscure his true strategy, which is described over here :

    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/there-be-reelection/#comment-3339592

    As noted, I strongly approve of his mission. We would be working together, except that RUnzie Baby has no idea how to work in teams.

  276. Anon87 says:

    In Rochester NY, a local distillery has switched from booze to hand sanitizer, and Hickey Freeman is switching from suits to masks.

    Good to see this work really can be done onshore. We’ve all been brainwashed to think we can’t. If there are Made in America laws passed, it’s a great opportunity for companies to diversify around their core competencies, which leads to expansion and needing to hire. We are going to need it.

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